Trump free’s hostages in North Korea

Trump free’s 3 american hostages in north korea. Unheard of. This guy is on fire !!!!

Trump is a man of action unlike previous administration where nothing got done.

Well said, thats been my whole point. You get liberals like cook county who want president trump to fail but Trump is much too strong of a leader. cook county seems to prefer two bit activists like obama to run the country.
We finally have a man of action who may even get the nobel peace prize. I cant wait to see the look on the liberal’s faces if that happens.

Get ready for the whining to come. China let these guys out.

3...................2........................1.

Trump pushed it. Trump got it done. Also, with trump pulling out of the iranian agreement, that sent a clear messge to north korea.

So, what ever came of the coal jobs?

U spoke almost 2 soon...look 2 posts down.

So, is he bringing back the real manufacturing jobs like he promised? Or will he get started on that as soon as the nuclear saber rattling is over, which we know will be never?

Another liar-in-chief using foreign threats to distract from his domestic failures.

Trump is a fraud, and his supporters are suckers.

Trump sold them weapons under the table

When Trump took office the unemployment rate was 4.8%. In October, November and December 2017, the rate dropped to a 17-year low of 4.1%.

The economy grew at an annual rate of 3.2% during the third quarter of 2017. That 3.2% growth-rate estimate is more than double the 1.5% growth recorded for the full year of 2016. And it’s even higher than the 2.9% real growth recorded in 2015, the best full-year figure for the Obama years.

The stock market has climbed 27% since Trump was sworn in. On average, the stock market has grown 10% to this point in a new president's term. Trump has more than doubled it.

Please tell me again how he's failing?

Ok, its obvious cook county and oakasfan are the same person. Very Wierd!!!! Very George Soros’ish.
They both post the same nonsense with the same vernacular at almost the same exact time.

Irishman12
Great info buddy. Nice to see an honest guy who sticks to the facts.

Trump is the Don

Trump promised good paying manufacturing jobs, even coal jobs, not part time jobs at Starbucks. He lied.

The Trump supporters here are probably one person on a troll farm in Russia.

2017 annual gdp was 2.6%. While 2nd and 3rd quarter were strong, 1st and 4th were less so. While the 2.6% is better than 2016's annual gdp, its the same as 2014 and less than 2015 (2.9%).

2018 1st quarter was 2.3%

We hit over 3% eight quarters under Obama's tenure, but never recorderd over 3% annually. We havent under Trump either We likely wont this year, the 1st quarter will likely drag the annual down, even with a good 2nd or 3rd.( 2005 was the last year we went over 3 annually )


Its misleading to compare quarterly and annual data. Quarterly data compares the change in GDP from the preceding quarter, while yearly data compares the change in GDP from the preceding year. Best to either stick with one or the other.

https://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp


http://fortune.com/2017/08/30/donald-trump-springfield-mo-3-gdp/

I think it was dennis Rodmans influence then caused those guys to leave North Korea. Should have left obama Guy there to rot. Fuck him obama left him there.

@aces

All trump does is lie and you're swinging from his nutsack

Only a dishonest person calls an obvious liar honest

It never ends around here man. You can look up 8 different threads and it's the same two spouting the same shit over and over.

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This.

I honestly can't figure out why he hasn't been banned. He lowers the level of discourse on his site to a level I didn't think was possible.

@fatdom

Trump has shown the world how low americans can stoop

There's more civil unrest with him as president than the last 3 administrations combined


@dixiemafia

You spew hate speach and endorse an evil man

Evil is sometimes what has to happen before good happens

Cook do we really care who trump is fucking I don’t. I did not care who bill was fucking I could under stand that. Look at Hillary.

But trump fucking a whore when he had Melanie I can not under stand that.

Obama not cheating on his wife I never believed that one.

On coal I go to Germany a lot. The well off use solar, the middle class use other forms of energy

The muslem population uses dirty coal not even clean call. Like we used during the depression. The Germans do like they always done they use muslems for cheap labor. They are allowed to see things from street carts. They are wellcome because the Germans love cheap labor even more then us.

Hey, even Trump's own supporters are now admitting he's evil. Progress!

Thank u Irish..

I heard that thricetime...like u said...hold ur breath,,look out here they come,,,,,fuckin' crybabies ...!

"The truth is a hard thing to accept"....My fifth grade nun Sister Agnes Patrice on Nixon's ousting in 1972...

People who are informed know the truth about Trump.

Who is "People" my old friend /foe??? & what is the truth??? wait ..Oak ...I'm coming over 2 ur joint & we will fire up a doobie & crack open a bottle of Chianti 2 seriously discuss this matter...I'll c u in a few /.......this is of utmost matter.

They r all w/the xception of a few ..(and u know who Helen)..drumroll please....JITBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!

Prove it cookie. Where on this board have I spewed hate "speach" (by the way, it's speech you illiterate bastard)??? One would think I would have been banned by now if I'm posting your so called "hate speach".

As usual, race is brought into yet another thread sending it down the shitter...

Told ya man. They ruin every thread with the same ol shit. They'd kill themselves if they didn't have Trump to talk about.

I agree with you Dixiemafia, they ruin every thread spewing stupidity.

Why is Trump showing the world how low Americans can stoop? Because he believes in this country and putting it first? I'm all for helping my fellow neighbor and sending money overseas to those who need it. But let's take care of home first. Do you know the number of homeless we have in this country (especially those who are veterans)? Let's take care of our own first and then help out the rest of the world.





No problem fellas. I somewhat enjoy civil, political debates and try to refuse petty name calling. I don't like to see these types of discussions closed down.

What's stopping us from taking care of our veterans and our homeless? We can certainly afford to. We don't, regardless of who is in power. We piss money away on much less worthy things.

And please, Irishman, understand I'm not directing this at you, I genuinely appreciate your sentiment that we should. It's just a general question.

Approximately 23,000 active duty military service people use food stamps. That's a national disgrace. The number of former vets that do is even higher. Our mental health care for them post deployment is minimal, which is why so many end up homeless. What does that say about us as a country? We pay a lot of lip service to supporting our troops in America, but when it comes time to foot the bill we don't reach for our wallet.

Respectfully Helen, here you have a president who is really neither democrat nor republican rino, that wants to do good by creating jobs and getting people off of food stamps & help veterans and all leftist liberal democrats/never Trumper's do is shit on everything he does.

@dixiemafia

Okay lets pretend you aren't a hate filled cretin

U still love an obviously evil man, what does that say about u


@irishman

Americans are at each other throats and trump is to blame

Trump shows his true colors so the citizens follow suit

Trump is a Don

[quote=cookcounty]@dixiemafia

Okay lets pretend you aren't a hate filled cretin

U still love an obviously evil man, what does that say about u


@irishman

Americans are at each other throats and trump is to blame

Trump shows his true colors so the citizens follow suit- quote

Bullshit. obama is the blame. He is the one that created the “ protest environment”.
The liberal left are the evil ones such as Maxine Watters who has the brains of a can of paint on a good day. Thousands of blacks are killing each other but they still blame the white guy and the NRA. . I guarantee if blacks started stabbing each other they would blame the Ginsu company.

Why is Trump to blame? You don't think the media has any role in this in fanning the flames?

Helen I always appreciate your posts and find you to be the most reasonable person that participates in these discussions. As usual, I agree with your points. Probably because you're not just a partisan foot soldier.

Honestly I don't care much about who is president because there will always be people who are happy or unhappy for one reason or the other. IMO the biggest problem we face as a nation is our problem with corporate welfare and the general power large corporations wield, especially in the legislature through lobbyists. I feel like regardless of who you support politically this is something most Americans can agree upon.. Or not, who knows now.

You have to admit, Trump is getting a lot done and i dont see him gettimg influenced by lobbyists.

As cook said trump is to blame for everything. I blame trump for the volcanic damage to Hawaii.

The US economy continued to roar to life in April under President Trump and the GOP-controlled Congress, with new figures showing the Treasury collecting a record-breaking amount of taxes in the first months of 2018.

According to CNS News, the United States Treasury took in a record breaking $2,007,451,000,000 in the first seven months of fiscal year 2018 (October through April). The tax haul also hit new highs for personal income tax; the earliest time in any fiscal year that income taxes smashed the $1 trillion mark.

“In the month of April itself, the Treasury collected $510,440,000,000 in total taxes, while spending $296,192,000,000—thus, running a surplus for the month of April of $214,255,000,000,” writes CNS.

The staggering surplus comes on the heels of record low unemployment and jobless benefits; highlighting a roaring US economy just months after President Trump signed the sweeping tax overhaul into law.

@Belmont

The country doesnt give a fuck about blacks killing each other

The NRA is to blame for mass shootings of white people

NRA doesnt want any gun reform even if it saves whites lives


@irishman

The media isn't to blame for trump supporters acting ignorant

Trump is ignorant and his minions are following his lead

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that every single decision he's made in regards to the middle east has been what Israel wanted.

"roaring US economy"

lol. my goodness.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...obbyists-propublic-finds-swamp-much.html
https://www.statnews.com/2018/05/10/novartis-paid-trumps-lawyer-more-than-lobbyists/

You may not be looking very hard. There are plenty of lobbyists influencing Trump and his administration in addition to the straight up pay to play positions he gave to people like Betsy DeVos. Please at least look into the claims you are making. If Trump ever "drains the swamp" as he claimed I will give him all the credit in the world, but it doesn't look like that is happening anytime soon.

Thank you Rolling Bones, I really appreciate that coming from you.

I'm with you absolutely on the issues of corporate welfare and the overall malignant corporate influence at bothe the federal ans state level. They write our laws directly. I wish more people were as angry about that as they are bullshit wedge issues.

I always love this argument. So how exactly is the NRA responsible for mass shootings? Please tell me how they are personally responsible for Parkland, Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc. Also, I can see you have a pretty narrow view of the world if you only think Trump supporters are acting ignorant. I can see there's no reasoning with you so I won't beat a dead horse. But I would appreciate an answer to my above question.

The NRA's certainly culpable. Along with right wing media such as political radio and FoxNews, the NRA helps spread hysterical theories that many mass shooters are influenced by.

Very false information you are spreading. You should be ashamed.....oh yeah, did I mention? Trump is a Don and President, now go cry in a tissue and continue being broke.

No but seriously you have a lot of good points in your posts. Dont listen to us, were just pyschopaths.

The NRA has both political parties by the balls

Neither party wants to piss them off so no gun reform will happen

500 people got shot in vegas and nobody gave a fuck, thats a problem

So the NRA and right wing media are responsible for Parkland? Wow, I don't know what you're drinking or smoking but put it down please if you honestly believe that! In that case, have you seen Elvis or Bigfoot lately? Again, please provide an example of just exactly how the NRA is "culpable"?



It's not that nobody cared. It's that the man who did the shooting was responsible, NOT the gun used! I'll continue to say it: when a drunk driver kills someone, we blame the driver. When a terrorist kills someone, we blame the terrorist. So then why when a mass shooting happens, like Parkland or Las Vegas, we blame the tool used and not the shooter? It's such a double standard and just the liberal media pushing forward their anti-gun agenda. Some gun reform is taking place actually. States and stores are raising the minimum age limit from 18 to 21 (Wal-Mart). Some stores are even refusing to carry assault-style weapons (Dick's Sporting Goods). The problem with gun control is it's a slippery slope. If you want to debate whether or not an AR-15 or military grade weapons should have ever been made available to the general public, we can have that discussion. What we can't do is go back in time to change it. And I know what you're thinking now: well, we can change it now by banning them. This is where the slippery slope comes into play. Because if we decide to ban AR-15's, then where does it stop? If the next mass shooter uses a shotgun or pistol, then do we ban those as well? The founding fathers put the second amendment in place for private citizens to protect themselves, against anyone (criminals or their own government). I don't trust my own government to not enslave us further by banning guns. Look over the course of history for every country, not just the USA, who have placed a ban upon gun ownership, and see how well that turned out for the citizens of that nation. Again, I'm against gun control because it is a right! The guns are not the issue but rather the people doing these heinous acts. London currently has a ban on guns. Last year people were still attempting to kill others by ramming them with their vehicles. Currently, knives are the new flavor and the mayor is proposing to have those banned as well. If people wish to inflict harm, they use whatever they can and will not abide by the law. Only the law abiding citizens will be the ones to get squeezed.

Take away all the guns in south chocago and they will start stabbing each other, mark my words.
That said, i do not think we should be able to buy assault weapons. I also think states with very lax gun laws should tighten them up. I am a staunch supporter of the second amendment but with LOGIC.

I said culpable, which means they share some blame. How could anyone argue against this? The NRA is now a far right propaganda machine that spreads outrageous conspiracy theories. Many mass shooters, including Nikolas Cruz, were influenced by the hard right propaganda that the NRA helps spread.



This is because a car serves multiple purposes. A gun kills, and nothing else.



Where have you been since 9/11? FoxNews makes a living blaming liberals for terrorism.



This is an example of some of the NRA propaganda I was talking about. People like Nikolas Cruz believed this.



Thanks to activism and boycotts. No thanks to the gun lobby itself, which is still fighting tooth and nail to overturn these measures.



Gun control isn't the problem. Mass shootings are.



You're putting the burden on those who want to ban assault weapons, and not those who seek them for whatever reason. The problem is not the people who want to ban these insanely violent weapons, it's the people who want them.



Now, you finally see what the problem is. You seem to know this is a problem. You're intimating there will be another mass shooting soon.



We'll discuss that when they do. In the meantime, the AR-15 seems to be the weapon of choice.



They also put Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness in the Declaration of Independence. How could citizens pursue happiness when they have crazy neighbors walking around with assault weapons?



You're not a slave.



There are actually several countries with more gun control than us where the average citizen has a better quality of life than they do here.

This has to be one of the biggest lies spread by right wing propagandists like the NRA, that banning assault weapons results in tyranny. It's having them that will eventually result in it.



If this is true, then it would seem that the problem is with law enforcement.

Some of you are completely delusional. At this pace he will get reelected with ease

Putin will make sure of it.

I like Putin a lot better then trump. That is what the typical Russian american thinks as well. I believe oak may be a Russian operative.

Hello comrade oakivick

Cut the shitzky.

https://youtu.be/gNuBveQ9gd0

@irishman

Dope dealers get their whole crews indicted when somebody ODs

The whole 2nd amendment rights from the 1800s is bullshit

People weren't going on shooting sprees back then

The government just doesn't give a fuck about its citizens


@aces

All sides of chicago has murders, not just the southside u bigot

Straw purchases from indiana drive Chicago's murder rate


@nickyeyes

Trump said republicans have the dumbest voters

He got elected president because republicans are simpletons

It's easy how anyone can be against this. The NRA is an group who advocates for citizens to have the right to bear arms. They didn't fund, help prepare or personally arm Nikolas Cruz. What about all the kids who bullied and tormented this kid? They share more of the blame than the NRA does.



It still can be used as a weapon.



Because it's the truth. If he had used a knife rather than a gun, would you be advocating for a ban on any and all knives? Probably not.



The NRA may be fighting it. Doesn't mean that gun reform still isn't taking place.



FINALLY! Something we can agree on.



I never said there wasn't a problem with mass shootings. What I said was you can't throw away the whole barrel for a few bad apples. Take a look at the number of gun owners in this country vs the number of mass shooters. It's pretty small. Also, more Americans die of heart disease, obesity or drunk drivers than from mass shootings. Where's your advocacy for them?



Already did. Ever hear of the YouTube shooter?



Yes, the pursuit of happiness. The pursuit of happiness is not a guarantee. I don't know what liberal utopia you live in but I live in the real world. And in the real world, I'd rather have a gun to protect mine than be without. Perhaps move out of Oakland if you have "crazy neighbors walking around with assault weapons." Also, pretty sure just walking around with assault weapons is illegal. You can own them within the confines of your home but I bet your neighbors ain't going grocery shopping with them.



Debt isn't a form of slavery? Student loans, car loans, mortgages? What would you call it?



"Better quality of life" is subjective to the individual. And I didn't say banning assault weapons results in tyranny. I said banning all weapons. And let me answer your already queued up rebuttal: again, if your type of gun control passes, I don't believe it'll stop at just assault weapons. So yes, with a complete ban on all firearms, tyranny reigns.



There's not currently a problem with law enforcement now?

Yeah, you can't really indict every gun owner because of someone else. What you're describing is racketeering. So you're suggesting our amendments are out of date? What's your stance on the first amendment? Do you believe the first amendment still applies to the Internet or just to 1800's technology?

@irishman

1st amendment should stay in place because of crooked politicians

Social media needs to be banned because its ruining society

I aint saying people shouldn't be able to have guns

But they need to out you through the ringer like they do with housing, etc

Assault weapons are only made to kill so citizens shouldn't have them

There's no evidence this ever happened.



If pigs could fly...

When someone kills 59 people and injures 851 others with one knife attack, let me know.



I already addressed the drunk driver question, several times. As far as obesity and heart disease go, these are not necessarily self inflicted diseases. Depending on DNA, some people take on these conditions naturally. There is nothing natural about a bullet from an assault weapon piercing through someone's skin.



Not a mass shooting. Only death was the shooter.



Never said it was. However, the pursuit itself is denied if one is constantly intimidated by right wing extremists in their community wielding assault weapons.



Pretty sure it isn't. If your'e gong to be such a gun advocate, you might want to learn the facts.



You said the government was enslaving you. What does your debt to private banks have to do with the government?

And I agree. I think background checks should be necessary for gun ownership and I'm not that opposed to make it tougher either. People who have a history of mental illness or who have been institutionalized perhaps shouldn't be able to own one.



According to your boy OakAsFan, all guns are only made to kill. So why the discrepancy between assault weapons and pistols/shotguns?

Sorry, that must have been the "right wing propaganda" that I've been influenced by talking. Apologies.



So now we're quantifying it now? What's the number the knife attack has to be up to in order to ban them as well? London's is a lot lower than 59 dead and 851 wounded.



Boy, you like to make the rules up as we go along, don't you? Not a mass shooting? 3 people were shot and injured during this spree. Would you still say this wasn't a mass shooting if those 3 individuals died along with the shooter? So what's the number that qualifies as a mass shooting?



This is what I love about liberals, everything's all about feelings and how things make you feel. Here's a line I'll throw at you that I'm sure you've already heard before as well: my rights don't stop where your feelings begin. Sorry you're feeling intimidated by the right wing extremists in your community wielding assault weapons. If that's the case, what about my pursuit of happiness if I'm too afraid somebody might mug/rob/assault me on a train to New York City to visit for the day?



Really? I can into a bank, government building, grocery store, movie theater with an AR-15? Man, I didn't realize I was doing it all wrong this entire time? Forget the concealed carry permit then. I'm bringing the heat so people can see I'm armed and will think twice before trying anything on me!



The student loans are federal. They cannot be forgiven, even in cases of bankruptcy. The only way they're off the books is if they're paid in full, or I die before then. Sounds like slavery to me. Slavery to the system. Taxes as well. Why should Uncle Sam take money out of my check to fund his wars overseas? Or to send aid to a foreign country?

North Korea suspends high level talks with South Korea over military drills with US, threatens to cancel meeting with US

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-44133308?__twitter_impression=true

How convenient, this was probably his plan all along.

@irishman

The mental health argument is kind of a sticky situation

Who knows people are crazy until they shoot up vegas

AR15 should be banned, its mass shooters favorite weapon

Criminals wouldn't have assault weapons if they werent sold legally

Military and law enforcement should only have assault weapons

You make some valid points here, I'll give you that. The mental health argument is a sticky situation and I only said I wouldn't necessarily be against it, not that I was completely in favor of it. Kind of like when you're convicted of a crime and you lose your ability to vote. And again, should the AR-15 ever been made available to the general public? Honestly, probably not. But again, slippery slope. Once you start banning one, where does it end? Because it most definitely will not end with just the banning of the AR-15.



This I disagree with 100%! Just look at Chicago. Do you really believe that disarming the entire country will stop criminals from owning guns? Has that worked out well with drugs? Because I'm pretty sure they're illegal and are still easily accessible.

You're not pursuing happiness if you're pursuing an activity in which you anticipate being mugged.



It sounds like debt.



Never heard of any form of slavery that actually provides the slave with services without forced labor as a trade off. You must feel really oppressed when the fire department saves your house, or when you use a freeway.

A pistol or a shotgun is all one would need to protect their home. Anyone who says they own an assault weapon for home protection is lying.

The problem must be with law enforcement.

Just walking down the street, minding my own business. Perhaps doing a little sightseeing. And as you said in your own words, the pursuit itself is denied if one (in this case, me) is constantly intimidated by those who might mug/rob/assault me.



Yes, and I was referring to debt as a form of modern day slavery.



Not really. Just when these debts follow you around continuously, even going so far as to garnish wages (not my own, but it is an option they have). What services are they providing by giving the money to foreign governments? And don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating to not pay your debts. But when I personally know someone who's monthly student loans are at least twice my monthly rate and almost as much as my rent, yeah, that's a problem. And you can say that it was my choice to go to college and get these student loans and I'd say you're absolutely correct. However, in this country, those who have college degrees usually go further in terms of salary and jobs.

Maybe they just enjoy taking it to the gun range and firing it off, what's wrong with that?

Even if it is, if guns are permanently banned, do you believe criminals will not have access to them?

@irishman

Its harder to get weapons if they don't sell ak47s in stores

Disarming the country would help with Violence

The war on drugs is a farce, too many politicians snort coke

The govt makes alot of money from the drug economy

People buy food while high and get prescribed drugs to get off drugs

Why would they, unless law enforcement isn't doing their job?

The scenario I presented was people walking around with assault rifles. You're talking about being afraid of people that are presumably unarmed, which is paranoia.



Not bad for "slaves".

So you say the war on drugs is a farce and the government makes a lot of money from the drug economy? But yet you still believe that the war on the second amendment wouldn't be a farce and the same government wouldn't make a lot of money from the gun economy? Ok

Again, just look at drugs. They've been illegal for decades and they've never stopped them from coming in. So yes, even if guns are banned, criminals will still have access to them, just like with drugs.

No, what I was talking about was people who are armed. And it's not paranoia, it's a fact. There's certain streets/neighborhoods that you don't go into (especially at night). You can't split hairs here.



Still just crumbs from the table in the big picture. The system is designed that way. To get ahead in this world, you need to go to college and get a degree. To be able to afford going to college, you need to take out these student loans that you'll be paying back for the next 20+ years of your life. Debt is a form of slavery.

Again, it sounds like the problem is with law enforcement, not laws.

People you're presuming to be armed, which is paranoia. I'm talking about people who are carrying openly. Gun nuts like you to know what kinds of guns they have.



Your misguided idea of what a slave is includes a scenario in which they can "get ahead in this world". Your words. Real slaves can't "get ahead in the world". Hope that helps.

Ok, so then by that rationale, if the second amendment was done away with, I don't trust law enforcement to keep guns out of criminals hands. Either way, criminals will get them.

Because we have a problem with law enforcement, not the laws. Police aren't doing their job enforcing gun laws. We need better gun laws, and better police.

So now we break out the labels I see? Who said I was a gun nut? Do you even know how many firearms I own? Of course not. Never said I was a gun nut but I am a believer in the second amendment and won't go without a fight when individuals are trying to take it away.

And what I'm trying to get across is that a law will not change it. Better police, I can agree on that. As I've stated previously, I'm completely in favor of body cameras and I hope they lead officers to behaving more appropriately. However, officers muting or turning off body cameras completely needs to be discussed as well. It seems as of late, during that critical moment of video evidence, the audio is either off or the camera was shut down completely. Personally, I think there's very few instances where the camera needs to be either muted or turned off unless something shady is about to go down.

Not me. I was just referring to them in general. You spoke on their behalf.



Too many, that's for certain.



When the authorities come for you, I'll have my popcorn.

Even if that were true, it would mean we have a problem with law enforcement, not the law.

The war on drugs is a farce, weed is getting legalized

Another school shooting today and the govt wont care

There wont be a change until a senators kid gets murdered

So, still think AR-15's are the problem or did yesterday's shooting in Texas not quantify as a mass shooting? 10 dead and 10 injured. Also, please tell me again how the NRA was responsible for yesterday's shooting?

Wow, glad you seem to think you know me so well, but you'd actually be wrong.

You do realize they're more drugs than weed, right? How's the heroin epidemic coming along? Especially in places like Virginia and Ohio.

What does yesterday's shooting have to do with the Youtube shooting? 10 died yesterday. Only 1 death in the youtube shooting, the shooter. That is not a mass shooting. Would you stop grasping at straws?

I already explained how the NRA is culpable for all gun violence today. In several comments. Scroll up or search my comment history.

If you own one gun, it's too many.

Says you. Glad the second amendment didn't put a cap on it!

Both of them didn't use AR-15's. As you said in your own words "we'll discuss them when they do." Well, a pistol was used in the YouTube shooting, although, in your mind it doesn't quantify as a mass shooting since only 3 people where shot and no fatalities other than the shooter herself. But what about yesterday? A shotgun and a pistol were used. No AR-15. Still think the weapon is the problem and not the individual?

And no, I'm still a little fuzzy on the NRA's role yesterday. Care to elaborate?

@irishman

the government is responsible for the heroin epidemic

They want drugs in the country because it makes money

an AR15 not being used yesterday doesnt mean shit

Assault weapons should not be sold to citizens

And what I was providing an example about is you seem to think the government is selling drugs (which, I'm not against that idea either). And if the second amendment is done away with, why would you think the government wouldn't do exactly what they're doing with drugs (i.e., selling/distribution and making money off of it), with guns (i.e., selling/distributing them to criminals)? It seems like you and OakAsFan actually believe that the government wouldn't do this with weapons like they're doing it with drugs?

And an AR-15 not being used on Friday does matter. I understand OakAsFan and maybe even yourself to an extent want the second amendment done away with, but you won't come right out and say it. At first OakAsFan said just AR-15's should be banned, to which I replied that it won't stop with them. I even provided the example of what would happen if a shotgun or a pistol were used in a shooting, to which he replied, "we'll discuss that when they do." Well, they both were used on Friday so I'm trying to see what OakAsFan and your opinion is now that the precious AR-15 wasn't used. As I've said all along, the weapon is not the problem but rather the shooter. The left, in their anti-gun agenda, would rather blame the weapon which is not at fault but rather the person wielding it. You both seem to be dancing around the obvious which is you both want any and all guns banned. I'd respect you more if you just came out and said it rather than these semantics.

Year sure !! Oakasfan is living in a fantasy world if he expects us to believe that he really thinks the government wanst heroin in our country. We arent buying your nonsense oakasfan, we know you dont believe that.
Oakasfan should join the soaring eagles and spread his anglo wings. Be proud and loud.

As Eric Burdon of The Animals once said.."When will it end" .....back & forth ..back & forth etc..etc..same guys,,same war..I am officially out of popcorn.

@irishman

AR15s are the favorite weapon of mass shooters

a train full of guns was sent through a slum a few summers ago. Subsequently that train just so happened to be robbed, i bet they wouldn't send a train full of diamonds through that same neighborhood

That was done on purpose to arm the neighborhood

There's other stories a crates of guns being found in alleys

The government doesn't care if citizens kill each other

The reason they didnt steal the diamonds was because they were packed with job applications.

So what? Yes, AR-15's have been used in multiple mass shootings. But here's some information for you about Friday's shooting that the media is "forgetting" to report:

1) It's illegal to bring a firearm onto school grounds
2) It's illegal to saw the barrel off of a shotgun
3) It's illegal for a 17-year-old to posses a gun
4) It's illegal to carry without a permit in Texas
5) It's illegal to discharge a weapon in public
6) It's illegal to bring ammo on school grounds
7) It's illegal to shoot and murder people
8) It's illegal to conceal your weapon without a permit

But yeah, we just need one more law. That'll do it!

Also, I came across this little nugget. Tell me again how we'll stop banning with just the AR-15 with legislation like this currently introduced in the House of Representatives?

H.R. 5717

If you're saying we can't pass gun laws because people won't obey them, then it would seem to me we have a problem with law enforcement.

@irishman

Why do i care more about white kids getting killed than you?

Thats the main point of the gun conversation

Americans don't care about each other

There were less mass shootings when assault weapons were banned

So with all of these laws on the books, how would law enforcement have prevented this shooting then?



Who said I don't care about kids being killed, regardless of their race?

Also, how would law enforcement have prevented the shooting at an Indiana middle school today?

If law enforcement put as much effort into stopping the proliferation of guns, as opposed to just catching individuals (particularly poor and of color) with unregistered guns, there would be less guns available.

There's a youtube video somewhere, I'll try to find it, of a community meeting on gang violence in some city, I don't remember. A woman asked a speaker in law enforcement how guns get onto the streets. The officer replied that most are probably just stolen from small retailers, or relatives, friends, etc.

The audience laughed, because, obviously, the massive quantities of assault weapons on the streets are not being stolen from grandma's house. The officer then gets frustrated and replies, "We don't know, and we don't care. We're going after the gang bangers who are destroying your community. We don't care how they get their weapons."

He was resoundingly booed, as he should have been. This kind of apathy and laziness in law enforcement is as much to blame for inner city violence as anything.

Typically the police are reactive and that's because the system is setup that way. Usually you can't arrest someone until he/she commits a crime (unless you stop them before and get them on conspiracy charges). However, with the shooting in Santa Fe, police could not have done anything to prevent it. If you want to blame the parents for not doing a better job ensuring their son didn't have access to their weapons, I'm with you on that. But saying the police didn't do enough to stop it is ridiculous. They can't monitor and chaperone every student at every school. Somewhere along the way, parental responsibility comes into play.

Absolutely wrong. Police are the exact opposite of reactive today.

Police now use a system of profiling. They have an idea of who they want to arrest before they even hit the streets. They'll pass up several suspicious people and situations en route to pursuing people who fit their criminal profile, which is typically gang members and drug dealers, young men of color.

The prison industrial complex plays into this, as well. If police targeted the proliferation of guns, if we funded and resourced the ATF the way we do the DEA, gun violence would decrease. But they'd rather throw a hundred poor people in jail than try to convict just a handful who have money for lawyers.