Evaluating Trumps preidency in history

If the next few years are anything like his first, Trump can easily go down as one of the best presidents in history BASED ON ACCOMPLISHMENTS.. after all, we should all be evaluating a president based on what he has done for our countey in terms of improvements and not what he says based on some off the cuff comments.
We finally have a president that gets results !!!!

Why don't you list his actual accomplishments, so we can laugh at them piece by piece?

How is Isis doing? They can’t get fighters because they all seem to be turning up dead. Trump changed the rules of engagement.

Going after the taliban now.

Going after them where ever they are.

How is the economy doing? Is it just the rich that are doing well or the working stiffs. Company are moving back here they are hiring in ever state.

Price of gas is going down.

Black and Latino unemployment is better now much better then when obama was President.

. They will be offering learning a trade for those that want to do that. That the private sector will pay for.

Trying to stop drug addiction.

He has hired more women in his administration then obama.

I assume you have a 401k. Are you making money like a bandit on it.

Trump has done a lot more in one year than the previous administration has done in eight years.
If you want to laugh you need not look further than the previous government.

I suggest we wait another year, but for a first year evaluation he has done better at the military side with the exception of Turkey, however he might not be poking his nose too much in the operations. Advocates for Veterans have a stronger voice, but I feel it is not strong enough, as well as active military, but still better then Obama on that matter.
The economy is still doing better and has been climbing since 2014 so I give that to Obama for the time being until the conclusion of this year, however many people will see a huge tax cut this year which jumps Trump up a few notches, not just the rich, still do not have a middle class but that might change in a few years. One big one, is that Trump actual did get some companies that went overseas to return and hire more people in the states.
I leave North Korea and 401k's out cause those are truly gambles, plus North Korea can be blamed on our intelligence, with many from Obama era.

I should be more clear.

I didn't say to list the hyperbole, I said to list actual, tangible things he's improved that could be verified with some sort of data. I can understand why nobody can do it. There isn't anything. But the hyperbole is entertaining. Part of Trump's branding. Say it's true until people accept it.

Are you blaming trump because mommy won’t raise your allowance?

Who wants to bet Hillary, and Obama go to jail and not Trump. Shit is going to hit the fan within a year. Plus Trump will be cleared.
It will be a lot of fun.

I'll take that bet. You already predicted DeBlasio would be in jail by now.

He should be in jail. White collar crime does not take balls. The big fake Italian I would respect more if he was not afraid to get his hands dirty.

He still may go away one day. They are going to try Senator Melendez again of New Jersey did you know that?

I don't think its hyperbole to say that the tax cuts and de-regulation have helped the economy. I didn't want Trump to win (he was the lesser of three evils, but I didn't want him to win) but I give him credit for that. Even NPR is grudgingly acknowledging that his policies have improved the economy.

Sorry about the double post.

I don't think its hyperbole to say that the tax cuts and de-regulation have helped the economy. I didn't want Trump to win (he was the lesser of three evils, but I didn't want him to win) but I give him credit for that. Even NPR is grudgingly acknowledging that his policies have improved the economy.

I know you don't, but it is.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/01/20/kathy-barnette-can-be-pro-trump-and-good-person.html

Interesting article :My take on Trump's first year as an African-American mom and veteran

I find it ironic that you should use the word hyperbole, it seems to define your every word and thought on Trump matters..

That was a good article Ciment. It made perfect sense except to oak.

So, what did the FoxNews article written by the token black woman have to say? Any highlights?

Before the Senator Durbin false accusations on Trump. Polls showed black support for Trump had doubled.
Naturally that was a threat for the democrats so they staged the Durbin "LIE" about Trump calling Haiti and certain African countries sh*tholes.
The democrats want to show Trump as being racist which is nothing further from the truth.

The highlight is that life for the average person on the street is much better under the Trump administration.

Oak you have to stop hanging around the Hollywood elites. Be more in touch with the people.

Oh, so the point is that when the few black people who are sympathetic to Trump were reminded of how much of a bigot he is, even they've jumped ship. Makes sense.

Are you saying a black women is only a token black women. You really are a racist Oak.

I don't know exactly what Trump said (there are different stories about that), but I don't think he's a racist. If Trump calculated that he could get more votes by supporting minorities and criticizing the majority, then that is what he would do. Its just my opinion of course, but I think that Trump would have campaigned in favor of Mexicans and Muslims running the country if he thought that would have gotten him elected.

Saying that certain countries are shitholes (that seems to be the main accusation) is a criticism of the countries, not the races. For the people that start with the assumption is that he is a racist, then anything he says will be interpreted as racism. Its like the "Muslim ban". He wanted to ban immigration from countries that the Obama administration decided were likely to be terrorist havens. I don't remember anybody criticizing the Obama administration for being concerned about "majority Muslim" countries, but every time the Trump ban is discussed, the countries on the list are always called "majority Muslim" countries.

The one thing I don’t agree with trump is the idea of sending the Haitians back. I know a lot of Haitians from Ave j here in Brooklyn.

They are cool people I found Ave J after I was already living in Brooklyn. Some of you know I am into foot ball soccer.

I saw a bunch of them playing when I was driving home from work it was about 8 in the morning. I saw the players were all different ages playing against each other street soccer.
So I park my car and asked them if I can play. I was the only white guy there. They told me sure I played 5 hours with them before I went home. I was a current player then played for sporting club Gjoa then.

A couple of days later back with my oldest son he was 8 he played for BW Gottschee. Just celebrated his birth day yesterday he turned 47.

Never any problem the field was a mess people walked their pets on that field. I called that field cuppa Park I think it meant shit in Polish.

Their islanders they come from a family back ground. I sure trump just know what he was told about them. Not about how they really are.

The reason Obama wasn't criticized for his foreign policy is because he's never given people a reason to believe he's a racist. Trump has.

The truth about immigration.

Businesses want Mexicans immigrants for the cheap labor.

Businesses also want immigrants from Islamic countries because of their tech skills, and cheap labor.

Footreads wants Haitian immigrants for his soccer team.

This is why immigrants are here.

They're valuable.

The Obama administration's foreign policy was criticized by the right and the left. One of those criticism was ordering the execution of three US citizens one being a father and son(16) who were killed at different times. Anwar al-Awlaki's daughter(8) was killed by the Trump administration

Some of that actually makes sense. I actually took a few of them for my soccer team. I used to coach also in the Central Brooklyn league. A lot of black islander players play there. They have a tendency to not pass enough. They tried to take on two many players also they could not see when their team mates were standing in an offside position. We had to teach them not to do that as much. So while they played I would say “pass the ball” they began to call me Pass de ball. For a while I even used it as my email address.

I also found 3 Nigerian Olympic team players living here with their team chaperone. They were playing on the Nigerian Olympic team in Atlanta and they missed the game. So that team forfeit and went back to Nigeria. But they wanted to stay some how they found themselves in Brooklyn. They were all big skillful and fast players and they were young. I got all three of them went to a tournament in Dallas called the Dallas cup. One writer for soccer American saw us play and called us the most skillful team in the United States.

I had two italian players one was 15 he played on our under 16 youth team and his older brother was 20 he played on my adult team. They were both were great players. Both over stayed their visas.

We really did not talk about things like that back then. My player tried out for the Metrostars and made them. So he was on his way the coach of the metros who was brazilian he won the 94 World Cup with Brazil. That is the team with Romario and bebeto. The paid him a half a mill to coach here. Any way he wanted the team to train in altitude in the Italian alps in preseason. My player was afraid to go because he thought they would not let him go back to the US. He was a good looking Italian blond hair. I told him marry some girl here. He never went to Italy with the metros to train and disappeared from our team with his younger brother.

Obama had to be tough on suspected terrorists because he would have been accused of being traitorous if he wasn't. A lot of right wingers, including some elected officials and people in the media, believe that Obama is Muslim, and that he ran for office as part of an Islamic conspiracy to infiltrate our government. He had no choice but to have zero tolerance for any suspected Muslim terrorists in order to disprove these paranoid freaks, who had a lot of influence over not only extremist groups but many mainstream conservatives as well. It's not easy being the first black president in a country that is historically anti-black. He had to walk a thin line.

Obama really didnt do much of anything. However, he did dramatically reduce the amount of troops in Iraq. That is a debatable move with regard to ISIS but how many more troops needed to lose their lives. obama hated war( nothing wrong with that).
However, he created an atmosphere for nonsense/ protests and diviided our country. He was sympathetic to muslims amd he flat out lied about bingazi.
The economy??? Well, it was at a bottom when he came into office “ wet behind the ears”. When you have Ben Bernanke, ceo’s of banks, and Hank Paulson telling an inexperienced president you better do x and y unless the economy and banking system will totally fail, of course you are going to listen and heed their advice. That had absolutely nothing to do with Obama’s financial prowess,
As the first black president, he never went into their neighbirhoods and addressed the root causes of their issues. Instead, he made excuses and perpetuated the blame game.

Their neighborhoods? Segregation ended. Over 50 years ago, actually. lol.

Hey Oak was obama’s biological father a Muslim. If so he never passed his religion to his son?

Also did Obama brother a Muslim endorse trump for president. He did am I wrong about that

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

This type of paranoia is the reason Obama had to be a hawk on suspected Islamist terrorists.

I guess we can justify anything

Its blacks that talk about “ their neighborhoods” and blacks talk about black america. Obama could of easily said “ hey jerkoff, dont have a kid until you are married and have a stable environment to raise a kid”.. he did that and followed through, the black crime rate would drop considerably.

Obama will say those things to poor black people when Trump says the same to poor white people. All Trump says to poor white people is that he'll do everything he can to stop the bad hombres from destroying their trailer parks with opiates, and then bring back their coal jobs.

This is great. Now Oak is a spokesperson for Obama. We joke that he lives with his parents and is a youngster. I'm started to believe that he's an adult, a miserable pitiful adult. When Obama was elected, in his inaugural speech, he did not exploit the fact that he was the first black president. The man is well spoken, educated, and became pota. He brought with him great hope for this beautiful country but didn't deliver. Eight Fucking years of failure. Then that evil bitch gets her shot, you really think she was going to make anything better for you? She thought she had the middle and lower class on her side. Talk about being naive. She couldn't even address the people who waited for her victory after she succeeded to Trump. It's sickening to see how people would flock to her or her campaign promises. Back to the last post. Why was it Obama's responsibility to get the blacks in line? He's now the spokesperson for that community? Last time I checked they have plenty and all they do is complain and accomplish nothing. And to categorically subdivide populations by race seems to be outdated. But to cry about unemployment and gov assistance is ridiculous. There is no reason that someone cast go to college these days. There's no reason you can't find a job, it might not be a ceo position at a fortune 500 company, but everyone has to start somewhere. Look at the big picture young man. Our country is on a roll, but the liberals can't get passed the fact that Trump is POTA. Was hyperbole a spelling word for last week's vocabulary test?

The democratic party used to represent the working man. Now the democrats represent some half a fag hipster from williamsburg brooklyn. The republican party now represents the working man.

The working man in Moscow.

Let's see what happens on Friday.

No talk about the shutdown in here?

Trump is absolutely kicking ass !! !
How can anyone not like what he is doing. If Trump wasnt in office you would have some jerk off saying the same old shit-
“ we are working with the business community, we are engaging in bilateral talks, i am optimistic “, bla bla bla...
This guy doesnt just talk, he gets things done and the liberals hate that. They hate that he is succeeding.
He is smart, he has balls, and he gets results... perfect president.

Agree, Trump is truly the great one !

Democrats are not used to having a republican president fight back at all these ridiculous and fabricated accusations.
Schumer was shamed by Trump and caved in with the shutdown.

All these so called democrats experts and their clones were predicting doomsday if Trump were to be elected. Instead stock markets are setting records, unemployment an all time low and the country is well on it's way in having an economic boom.

Well, clearly Trump's fans think it was a victory, even though we're facing another shutdown in a couple of weeks.

Let's see what happens on Friday.

I'm a huge President Trump fan from Ireland.

I wish we had such a charismatic hard working and patriotic leader. A man who does what he says.

To every American on here be proud of your country and all that it stands for.

You're the greatest nation on earth and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise.

So, it's okay for the Irish to identify flaws in their leadership, but not U.S. citizens?

You're just a negative little weasel, who only has a negative opinion about everything the president does. The world is a big place. If you don't like it here you should just get up in and leave. But you would need few bucks and motivation to do so. These boards were better when you disappeared after the election.

Negative?

I'm looking forward to the Bastille Day Parade that he's demanding be thrown for him. Is he going to dress like Napoleon?

Here's another suggested look:

I can get behind a parade if we drag the wives and children of our vanquished enemies through the streets in chains, like in ancient Rome. Might as well go all in.

Someone on his staff probably considered suggesting that to him as a joke, but quickly realized they didn't want to give him any ideas.

Going to get a two year budget agreement very soon. Nothing on immigration as yet until the wall goes up. Mexico will pay for the wall gladly they have no choice. Or we will tariff anything made in Mexico.

Personally I want to buy made in America and from no where else. I don’t care even if it costs more.

What's wrong with showing off our military? The guy that has probably attended every gay pride parade in his area turns his nose up to a recognition of this great country's power. Just finished a show on AHC, about the guillotine. This country needs some public executions to put crime break in check.

Yeah, that's right. Trump is the first ever president to care about our military. Because...he came up with the idea of having a military parade.

Step aside Roosevelt and Eisenhower. George Washington? Go chop down a tree. Finally, this country has a president who appreciates the military. His name is Donald Trump. Yes, the Apprentice guy.

Military parades are great. Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, Armed Forces Day. Militaristic parades are not.

One of the principles that America is based on is a military that is wholly subject to civilian control. Extolling the military for it’s own sake is another erosion of a basic American tenet. Explicitly equating military might with jingoistic “patriotism” is a a major part of a totalitarian philosophy. It’s not “honoring the troops”, it’s using the military as a blunt prop to show the power of the “strongman” not just to the world, but also to the citizenry.

If we really want to 'honor the troops' lets give the estimated 23,000 active service members that use food stamps a high enough salary that they no longer have to. Lets fully fund the VA. Let's get returning vets proper psychological care so they don't end up homeless. Fuck the bread and circuses.

"I'm looking forward to the Bastille Day Parade that he's demanding be thrown for him."

Is that more of the hyperbole you were talking about?

I think the military gets a reasonable amount of admiration already. Military parades remind me of the Soviet Union and North Korea, so I tend to be against it.

Of course if Obama proposed this, everybody would support it. Anybody that didn't support it would be a racist. The Democrats (like the Republicans during the Obama administration) react to ideas based on who came up with the idea.