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Posted By: Binnie_Coll

trumps russian ties, - 03/25/17 08:29 PM

it seems as though the Russians were behind trump's winning the presidency. committee's in congress now investigating, seems most of his transition team is involved, there is a lot of smoke any fire??
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/26/17 01:15 PM

Binnie,

Link from the only network that Trump says reports the news fairly .August 2016

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/19/developing-paul-manafort-resigns-from-trump-campaign.html

Quote:
Donald Trump’s outspoken campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, resigned Friday -- days after he was pushed aside for conservative media executive Steven Bannon -- and also amid growing speculation about his ties to Ukrainian politics.

“This morning Paul Manafort offered, and I accepted, his resignation from the campaign,” Trump said in a written statement to FoxNews.com. “I am very appreciative for his great work in helping to get us where we are today, and in particular his work guiding us through the delegate and convention process. Paul is a true professional and I wish him the greatest success.”

Manafort, who as a 26-year-old Republican operative, helped manage the 1976 convention floor for Gerald Ford in his successful showdown with Ronald Reagan, drew praise for steering the campaign through the final weeks of the primary process and the convention.

But he came under fire following a New York Times article over the weekend claimed handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments to him from ex-Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych’s pro-Russian party between 2007 and 2012.

The document was found by investigators from Ukraine’s newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau. Investigators reportedly say the payment was part of an illegal off-the-books system whose recipients also included election officials.

Manafort strongly denied receiving any such off-the-book payments – calling the accusation “unfounded, silly and nonsensical” – and denied ever doing work for the government of Ukraine and Russia. He has worked on political campaigns there but maintains they were not government-sanctioned.

Those close to Trump praised Manafort, but did not dismiss a possible connection between his ouster and the Ukrainian controversy.

"I think my father didn’t want to be, you know, distracted by whatever things Paul was dealing with," Eric Trump, told Fox News' Maria Bartiromo in an interview airing on "Sunday Morning Futures."

Earlier this week, the campaign announced that Breitbart head Steven Bannon was being brought on as CEO, and GOP pollster Kellyanne Conway as campaign manager. While Team Trump initially insisted the new team members would work with Manafort, many predicted his days were numbered.

Sources told Fox News brinbging in Conway was the idea of Manafort, who believed she could help him get the developer to stay on script and avoid verbal gaffes. But bringing on Bannon was Trump's idea, the source said.

A source familiar with Manafort's thinking said the 66-year-old stepped down so that "Trump could stay focused on the campaign." He will "continue to work from the outside," helping with coordination in Washington, the source said.

It’s the latest shakeup for the Trump campaign, which canned campaign manager Corey Lewandowski on June 20, after the pugnacious former cop had a confrontation with a Breitbart reporter. The ouster of Lewandowski was seen as a victory in a behind-the-scenes power struggle for Manafort, who was brought on board in March largely for his convention and delegate wrangling experience.

Where Manafort at times expressed a desired to modulate Trump’s bombast, the brash Bannon has signaled he wants to “Trump to be Trump.”

After praising Manafort for helping his father's campaign through the tough primaries, Eric Trump ladded, "But again, my father just didn’t want to have the distraction looming over the campaign and quite frankly looming over all the issues that Hillary’s facing right now."

Manafort’s deputy, Richard Gates, is also on the outs. He now moves to the new role of campaign liaison to the RNC.

Fox News Channel's John Roberts contributed to this report




Manafort was a real fire. I bet he spilled the beans after he was fired.
Posted By: Sauce

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/26/17 04:17 PM

This is all complete and utter bull shit

Fake news propagated by progressive ideologues who cannot accept Trump is president.

FAKE NEWS.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/26/17 04:30 PM

Sauce,

not sure if you are trolling or not.
I don't think it's fake news. Manafort wasn't fired mid campaign for fake reasons. Repeating the fake news cliche isn't going to make this story go away.



I do find it odd that Putin is now being portrayed like he's Joseph Stalin..when there was hardly this much outcry when Russia and Ukraine issues flared up a few years back. Or some of the blatant acts of aggression by Russia over the years.

Trump is elected and NOW Putin has horns growing out of his head?
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/27/17 06:19 AM

gets, we need to know more, and we need an select committee, with an independent prosecuter.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/27/17 10:39 AM

No one talking about trumps ties with Salerno and the Chin. Yes, trump is a criminal mastermind. That is why obama tapped his phone he used the Russians to do it brilliant move by obama. Binnie of hill became president they would take away your guns. Then you would have to learn to use a knife or use your car to run the cops over and learn the words allah -u- Akbar
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/27/17 11:03 AM

Wait till Trump's deals with Saudi Arabia and India come to light. It ain't just Manafort with connections to Russia in Trump's inner circle.
Footreads, Trump's actual connection to OC where all the contruction guys who were made that Trump had to pay a off the books tax, well not really, Trump just had to falsified documents on materials to show where the money was going to the IRS.
Posted By: Fleming_Ave

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/27/17 12:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
Wait till Trump's deals with Saudi Arabia and India come to light. It ain't just Manafort with connections to Russia in Trump's inner circle.


Yeah, there's no way a real estate developer of Trump's level in NYC in the '70s did not do business with Saudis. Saudis had a shit ton of oil money,(from raping us at the gas pumps) and were investing it around the world, including the U.S.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/27/17 04:24 PM

Funny how in the US fake news now means 'Shit I don't agree with or don't want to know about'.

This is eventually going to be a bigger story than most people realize, because most of the US media writes for a 5th grade level, and the details aren't readily understandable to that type of reader....but it's definitely humming along. And it's gone way past Manafort.

Watergate took 2 entire years to unfold in full from the break in to the resignation, and the timespan was about the same for both Iran Contra and Teapot Dome. People forget things like that in this era of instant everything.
Posted By: Sauce

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/27/17 05:43 PM

Um.... yeah..... hang your hat on that....it is referred to as fake news in that the drive by progressive media is no longer the fourth estate in that it is serving as the propaganda wing of the Democratic Party.

There is no connection connection between the Russians and trump and the elections.

Zero nada zip....a big nothing burger.

I would refer you to this being previously said by the FBI, NSA and CIA but if you have not heard this already it's pointless.

What your faux indignation should be directed at is the lack of oversight of the above three.

By all means let's investigate Obama regarding what the empty suit knew and when he knew it.

I agree in that the watergate side of this is laid directly at the feet of the democrats. Let the sun shine in upon who leaked to the post,et al. Let we the people look at who ordered what and who authorized same. ? Who in the Obama administration leaked classified information to the press during an election ?

Should you have any questions or require anything further in this regard please do not hesitate to read the comments of Mr. Trey Gowdy.


Post scriptum: Iran/contra is a reach
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/27/17 07:21 PM

My faux indignation?...You're cute.


Anyway, there's currently 2 senate investigations and an ongoing FBI investigation. I'll wait for more there. But yeah, I'm all in on investigation Obama in relation to this. Why not? Let's get everything out there.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/27/17 08:03 PM

Obama is an empty suit smile Yes, he is just another follower nothing of substance when he wears one. His brother hates him. His brother campaigned for trump. When your own brother hates you you know your fucked up.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/28/17 07:05 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
My faux indignation?...You're cute.


Anyway, there's currently 2 senate investigations and an ongoing FBI investigation. I'll wait for more there. But yeah, I'm all in on investigation Obama in relation to this. Why not? Let's get everything out there.


house intelligence chairman nunes, ran to trump last week with some kind of information that no one has yet to see, today we learn the info came from the white house, now there can be no investigation in the house he's blown it up, it all is starting to look like obstruction on the part of republicans. nunes cancelling the hearings twice now.
Posted By: CabriniGreen

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/28/17 08:41 AM

@ gets

Check the video link I posted in the shout box,

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154668728925628&id=211482380627

Tell me if Putin seems like a maniac to you?
Posted By: CabriniGreen

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/28/17 08:46 AM

Also, note his exasperation, I think they absolutely would explore, ANY AND ALL means to mitigate the US encroaching on Europe and the Middle East, be it Crimea, hacking, whatever.....



I posted it in the shout box, I've recently talked to one of those privatized defense contractors, you, WE, the people have no fuckin clue as to what really goes on around the world. The media is biased as fuck....
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/28/17 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
gets, we need to know more, and we need an select committee, with an independent prosecuter.


Binnie,
Nunes is making a mockery of the "investigative process". I wonder what kind of dirt they have on him?
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/28/17 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
@ gets

Check the video link I posted in the shout box,

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154668728925628&id=211482380627

Tell me if Putin seems like a maniac to you?


Cabrini,
Thanks. I don't do facebook so the video wouldn't play, but I looked at the date and found a 12 minute version of the video on youtube.....translated by the poster and the comment section suggests it was an accurate translation.

I will comment after I watch it, but I'm consistent in saying that it is natural for leaders to act in the best interest of THEIR countries. If those interests conflict with the interests of American govt. and/or big business...then the media coverage of that foreign leader is going to slant a certain way.

Having said that, I'm from the old school when the U.S.S.R. existed, I've known people from there and from their mouths..the way the media portrayed that regime wasn't far from the truth. Putin is old school KGB from THAT time , so....I keep all that in mind when I read the news.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/29/17 05:44 AM

when the head FBI guy met the head of the doj on a plane what was that about? I think we have to know what they really talked about. We need a special prosecutor for that one.

We need to know what was our ambassordor really doing in Benghazi when he was killed. We also need to know why no one tried to rescue him in all those hours when they were under siege.

We need to know what the head of the IRS were investigating republicans donors during obama reign as president.

We need to know why democrats love illegal aliens other then just getting their votes. We need a recount of Hillary's votes in California the total keeps getting higher and higher.

We need to know etc etc etc etc etc
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/29/17 05:50 AM

We need to know how much our members donated to Hillary and to trump. Who wants to start that? I am guessing nothing to 20 thousand those are the two choices. Talk is cheap it always comes down to money.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/30/17 03:41 AM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
gets, we need to know more, and we need an select committee, with an independent prosecuter.


Binnie,
Nunes is making a mockery of the "investigative process". I wonder what kind of dirt they have on him?


gets, senate now getting involved in the investigation, bypassing house, going to call many witneses, pay close attention to sally yates, as she could involve white house in obstruction
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/31/17 02:01 AM

Binnie,

thanks, I will pay attention to Yates.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, Flynn wants to testify but wants immunity...er uh... he wants protection against " unfair prosecution"

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-flynn-idUSKBN1713AG

Quote:
Donald Trump's former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, has offered to testify before congressional committees probing potential ties between the Trump campaign and Russia but wants protection against "unfair prosecution," his lawyer said on Thursday.

"General Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit," said a statement from Flynn's lawyer, Robert Kelner.

Testimony from Flynn could help shed light on the conversations he had with Russian Ambassador to the United States Sergei Kisylak last year when he was the national security adviser for Trump's presidential campaign.

Kelner said discussions had taken place about Flynn's availability to testify with officials of the intelligence committees of both the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives. Both committees are investigating allegations of Russian meddling in the U.S. election campaign last year as well as possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russians.

Flynn was forced to resign as Trump's national security adviser in February for failing to disclose talks with the Russian ambassador before Trump took office about U.S. sanctions on Moscow and misleading Vice President Mike Pence about the conversations.

Questions remain about the scope of the discussions and what other contacts took place between other Trump advisers with the Russians. Earlier this week, the White House disclosed that Trump's son-in-law and White House senior adviser, Jared Kushner, met executives of Russian state development bank Vnesheconombank, or VEB, in December.

U.S. intelligence agencies have said Russia hacked emails of senior Democrats and orchestrated the release of embarrassing information in a bid to tip the presidential election in favor of Trump, whose views were seen as more in line with the Moscow's.

Russia has denied the allegations. Trump has dismissed suggestions of links with Moscow as Democratic sour grapes for losing the election.

'WITCH HUNT ENVIRONMENT'

The Wall Street Journal, citing officials with knowledge of the matter, reported on Thursday that Flynn had sought immunity from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the House and Senate intelligence panels in exchange for his testimony. The newspaper said he had so far found no takers.
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The House denied the Journal report. "Michael Flynn has not offered to testify to HPSCI in exchange for immunity," committee spokesman Jack Langer said in a statement.

The FBI declined to comment. The Senate committee did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Kelner's statement did not mention the FBI.

He said Flynn "is now the target of unsubstantiated public demands by Members of Congress and other political critics that he be criminally investigated."

Kelner said Flynn would not "submit to questioning in such a highly politicized, witch hunt environment without assurances against unfair prosecution."Independent Senator Angus King, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told CNN he could not confirm the Journal report, but "if that turns out to be the case, that's a significant development I believe because it indicates that he has something important to say.”

(Reporting by Eric Beech; Additional reporting by Mark Hosenball; Editing by Grant McCool and Peter Cooney)
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/31/17 03:00 AM

"When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime."-Michael Flynn, September 2016
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/31/17 09:48 AM

There will be investigations in both houses the senate and the house. The only charge with legs are the one where trumps place was bugged. His name was given to old administration official from the obama reign. That is a felony they will go to jail for that one. I am looking forward to it. It's going to be fun to see obama people go to jail. Maybe one will get immunity to give up obama. Then obama might end up in a cell. If Hillary was part of that she might join him. They will make a nice couple. No pardons for them.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 03/31/17 09:57 AM

Will someone explain to me why people in that 60s were picketing against trump replacing obama care. Aren't those people who are on social security on Medicare and have some kind of supplement health care plane. So again they would not be on obama care to begin with.

Also who has a 26 yr old kid still living at home. So they are on their parents health care plan. If they do my advice throw them out they should not be home with mommy and daddy. I bet they get laid a lot. Girl says is that your house when seeing it for the first time. Then if he tells the truth she laughs and goes home. Then he like in The Godfather is left with his dick in his own hands. smile
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/03/17 02:37 AM

Cabrini,

I watched the vid and read the transcripts.
Seems like Trump and Putin are on the same page.


This is the full video but Putin topic is covered from 2:11 to 3:00


OReilly changed subjects with the quickness after that.

I expressed some thoughts similar to what President Trump said on camera to Oreilly and a guy here basically told me "why don't you leave America if you're think we're capable of such atrocities?" Weird seeing the sitting President owning up to American directed atrocities and assassinations.He kept it real, and echoed some of what Putin has been saying.
Posted By: olivant

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/05/17 12:13 AM

Emily Latella: "What's all this fuss about Russian ties? What's wrong with American ties? Don't we have enough problems with Russia? Why not just buy American ties. Why so much trouble over Russian ties?"

Jane: Emily.

Emily Latella: "I just don't think ..."

Jane: "Emily. It's not neckties they're talking about like men wear around their necks. It's relationships they're talking about. Not neckties.

Emily Latella: Oh. Neckties? Nevermind.
Posted By: goombah

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/05/17 01:36 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Funny how in the US fake news now means 'Shit I don't agree with or don't want to know about'.

This is eventually going to be a bigger story than most people realize, because most of the US media writes for a 5th grade level, and the details aren't readily understandable to that type of reader....but it's definitely humming along. And it's gone way past Manafort.

Watergate took 2 entire years to unfold in full from the break in to the resignation, and the timespan was about the same for both Iran Contra and Teapot Dome. People forget things like that in this era of instant everything.


Could not agree more. Further evidence of Trump's hypocrisy is when he called the NY Times last week to blame Democrats for the failed health care bill. rolleyes

Now that major sponsors have been cancelling with Bill O'Reilly, it will be interesting to see how much Trump cites Fox News. Although I think he gets most of his information from Hannity and Alex Jones.

If proof surfaces that Trump and his team have Russian ties and maniupulated the election, Trump and anyone else involved should be executed for treason. Richard Nixon for years campaigned on a rabid anti-Communist platform. Nixon must be rolling over in his grave to see this incomptent Trump bastardizing the Republican party all in the name of greed.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/06/17 02:22 PM

Devin Nunes steps aside from House intelligence committee's Russia inquiry

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/a...-ethics-inquiry
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/06/17 03:05 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Devin Nunes steps aside from House intelligence committee's Russia inquiry

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/a...-ethics-inquiry


Helen,

thanks. For a "fake story".....there sure are a lot of real circumstances and twists and turns.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/06/17 03:15 PM

It's getting better:


US deports member of Russian spy ring linked to Trump aide Carter Page

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/us-depo...de-carter-page/
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/06/17 03:56 PM

Guess who is going to go to jail eventually Susan Rice she is fucked. Wait and see.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/06/17 04:35 PM

Foot,

What's interesting is that as soon as Rice was getting tripped up, and it looked like the tide was turning one way....Nunes steps aside and more links are uncovered.

Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/06/17 07:50 PM

Nunes stepped aside in this case not future cases. The heavy lifting will take place in the senate and investigation will be done by the FBI. Both sides will protect their own what a surprise. I am sure rice will take the fifth when she does it will look like she is quilty. I guess because she is.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/08/17 08:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
it seems as though the Russians were behind trump's winning the presidency. committee's in congress now investigating, seems most of his transition team is involved, there is a lot of smoke any fire??


Greetings Binnie, and all,

Lets assume that Trump and his campaign cheated. What are the implications?

It means the wikileaks releases about Hillary and the DNC were orchestrated by Putin, for Trump's benefit.

But in return for what? It had to be at the very least what was reported, for starters, that Trump, if elected, would support Putin's annexation of Crimea and lift sanctions on Russia.

Now let's look at what actually happened since the election. Trump has done an about face on Putin, stating that he does not in fact back the annexation of Crimea. And the latest news chatter since the US strikes in Syria is that the sanctions on Russia probably will not be lifted or eased.

So Trump comes out ahead. Hillary broke the law and skated. Hillary cheated in the election with the help of the women who run the DNC. Much of the news media sided with Hillary due to political and monetary ties...did not give Trump any say. They judged the message by criticizing the messenger. Instead of highlighting Trump's arguments, they highlighted his eccentricities as an individual. Then what does Trump do? He gets an outside power and media outlet to do for him what Hillary had the mass media doing for her here. Even Steven.

Russia didn't hack any voting machines, because those machines aren't connected to the internet.

If the last election was stolen and tampered with, someone here did it, and they are not any foreign power.

At the end of the day, everyone voted according to what was known, whether leaked or not. Hillary lost, that's all there is to it.

If Trump's team broke laws by brokering deals with Russia before the election...Putin didn't get his money's worth. He got taken.

Another point to make is that impeachment for Trump over any pre election dealings with Russia is very unlikely. There are two reasons for that, minimum. Number one, you have a Republican Senate and House. They aren't impeaching any Republican President. Number two, the US govt does not take down it's own leadership because of interference from a hostile power. What will happen is that any incriminating information uncovered during the Russia/Trump investigation will be viewed only by members of Congress with high security clearance and kept from the media and the public.
Posted By: Mr.MojoRisin

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/11/17 06:42 PM

Personally I think it's all BS. Trump could be a cold blooded murderer, but honestly, in the end I'm just glad Hillary didn't get it.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/11/17 06:53 PM

Alfa,

The ties, those that are out and those to be released in the future...damage the credibility of the people named....cabinet members,advisors, relatives. That Flynn fell so easily makes Trump appear to be a weak leader, and in over his head. Essentially, just mistakes any novice politician would make...he's just the POTUS and making them while the entire world is watching.


Trump said he could shoot somebody on Broadway and not lose any popularity....and for certain element of his followers, it's true.

For other followers, he's in office now and they are going to base their support on how well he performs in office.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/13/17 11:51 PM

hello alfa, well, with what is going on with Syria now, is taking the trump=Russia investigations, off the front burner, and now that he has cooled relations with putin, I'm afraid the trump-russiann ties, will have less meaning now. trump always seems to skate away from any trouble, I'm hoping he doesn't get us involved in another war.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/13/17 11:52 PM

gets, what are your thoughts of any more involvement in the middle east.?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/14/17 12:31 AM

I think Trump is going to hit North Korea and China and Russia are going to covertly support the USA this time. Firing the missiles on Syria was a message to Assad AND Kim Jong-Un. The MOAB bomb that hit ISIS in Afghanistan was another double message.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/14/17 12:45 AM

All trump is doing is giving Russia, Syria, Korea, Iran and China something to think about and that's all.

I looked into my crystal ball and here is what I saw. Russia will still for all practical purposes still be in charge of Syria the leader will step down and live in Russia. He will be replaced by a Syrian Of Russia choosing. Russia will work with the US to wipe out Isis in Syria, and in Iraq. China will help to control Korea they control most of koreas trade. For that China will get a good trade agreenpment from the US. But not like trump originally wanted it. Russia will make sure that Iran won't get nukes.

All is well in the world.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/15/17 09:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
hello alfa, well, with what is going on with Syria now, is taking the trump=Russia investigations, off the front burner, and now that he has cooled relations with putin, I'm afraid the trump-russiann ties, will have less meaning now. trump always seems to skate away from any trouble, I'm hoping he doesn't get us involved in another war.


If Trump broke any law making deals with Putin in return for lifting sanctions, the only realistic way to prosecute that would be to uncover and document as much information about it as possible so that Trump can be impeached under a Democrat Congress. This means the discovery phase of the investigation needs to stretch into the time of Congressional elections. If the investigation concludes too early, that means no one is serious about getting Trump. Watch for it.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/15/17 09:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
I think Trump is going to hit North Korea and China and Russia are going to covertly support the USA this time. Firing the missiles on Syria was a message to Assad AND Kim Jong-Un. The MOAB bomb that hit ISIS in Afghanistan was another double message.


I won't speculate. But we can interpret what is already there. China has mobilized a great deal of troops at the NK border. This means China takes the threat from the US against Kim Jong seriously, and, it also means that China will move in to occupy NK to keep the US from establishing a stronghold next door.

Someone important in China recently said that if the US attacks NK, China will attack SK. Check for the validity of that claim. Naturally, if China doesn't want the US in NK, they really don't want them in SK either.

Yes, the recent US attacks in Syria and Afghanistan were meant as a message to Kim Jong, intentionally or not. Everyone here at the gangsterbb who studies mafia history can appreciate the impression made by first attacking one of Syria's airstrips with 80 million worth of tomahawk missiles, and then immediately sitting down to have dinner with the president of China right afterward, which is exactly what Trump did.
Posted By: fergie

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/15/17 10:26 PM

Sorry to get all constiparacy theory, but do we actually know what happened with the chemical weapons in Syria? There's been no evidence submitted at all and the USA have a long track record of doing this shit (no offence to you normal guys!)
Posted By: fergie

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/15/17 10:27 PM

(I nearly said constipation instead of conspiracy....fuckin spellcheck shit)
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/16/17 06:22 PM

We really need China to invade North Korea. If so, brilliant idea by Trump and the Generals. That's a win-win and we don't even have to fire a shot.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/16/17 07:09 PM

Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
We really need China to invade North Korea. If so, brilliant idea by Trump and the Generals. That's a win-win and we don't even have to fire a shot.


I don't think the majority of onlookers agree with this assessment of the gravity of the situation.

How many residents of Seoul South Korea? 10 million? How many US troops are in SK? 30 thousand? 50 thousand? NK says they will launch nukes, at everyone, if attacked. And old intel sources leaked to the news media years ago said that NK can already hit the west coast of the United States with nukes. Notice how the US military just several days ago moved anti missile technology and armaments into that area. This is a very serious situation. And China will not invade NK to take down Kim Jong for the United States. Those troops are there for if/when Kim is taken out. If Kim gets taken down, China moves in to occupy and keep the USA from occupying and installing a puppet government next door.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/16/17 07:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
We really need China to invade North Korea. If so, brilliant idea by Trump and the Generals. That's a win-win and we don't even have to fire a shot.


I don't think the majority of onlookers agree with this assessment of the gravity of the situation.

How many residents of Seoul South Korea? 10 million? How many US troops are in SK? 30 thousand? 50 thousand? NK says they will launch nukes, at everyone, if attacked. And old intel sources leaked to the news media years ago said that NK can already hit the west coast of the United States with nukes. Notice how the US military just several days ago moved anti missile technology and armaments into that area. This is a very serious situation. And China will not invade NK to take down Kim Jong for the United States. Those troops are there for if/when Kim is taken out. If Kim gets taken down, China moves in to occupy and keep the USA from occupying and installing a puppet government next door.


agreed I don't think people realize how serious the situation this is. North Korea have been preparing for this for decades and there people they believe he is a God they will not give up none of them this would not be any Iraq there military is a lot stronger than people realize aswell the US would probably win but at what cost? you said it yourself what if they can really hit the west coast with nukes no one really knows the strength of North Koreas nuclear programme some so called experts claim they are not able to hit the US yet but i have my doubts and what about South Korea and Japan there militaries put together including US troops is still not even close to the size of the North Korean army.

I personally believe a military solution would be a disaster if China can be convinced to put real economic sanctions on North Korea they will be forced to negotiate
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/16/17 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: fergie
Sorry to get all constiparacy theory, but do we actually know what happened with the chemical weapons in Syria? There's been no evidence submitted at all and the USA have a long track record of doing this shit (no offence to you normal guys!)


It's probably the weapons that the Russians took with them when they left Iraq. Just before the Iraq war what country are you from India. Your not a leper right?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/16/17 08:22 PM

If North Korea invades South Korea and kills 30 thousand uS soldiers. Korea will cease to exist the day after. Even the fat Korean knows that will happen.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/16/17 11:22 PM

I just read today that a US Congressional Rep from Hawaii wants to update that state's fallout shelter lists and locations, due to the NK situation. Obviously there is concern that NK can also reach Hawaii with nuclear weapons.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/16/17 11:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
If North Korea invades South Korea and kills 30 thousand uS soldiers. Korea will cease to exist the day after. Even the fat Korean knows that will happen.


NK knows that if they are attacked with any type of weapon, they are done. So you have someone there who feels they have nothing to lose. They've been saying for years now, any attempt to remove the regime from power and they send out nukes.

China might need to do something extraordinary.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/17/17 08:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
I just read today that a US Congressional Rep from Hawaii wants to update that state's fallout shelter lists and locations, due to the NK situation. Obviously there is concern that NK can also reach Hawaii with nuclear weapons.



I hope they don't hit obama.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/17/17 08:10 AM

All their nuclear tests are under ground. If they have the bombs why do they keep testing them? If you plant enough TNT under ground and set it off. It will look like they tested a nuke. Makes me think maybe they don't have nukes.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/17/17 08:06 PM

No way NK has the capability to hit our West Coast. Trump would have had that info all over the UN and the news stations and we would have already attacked.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/18/17 03:21 AM

Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
No way NK has the capability to hit our West Coast. Trump would have had that info all over the UN and the news stations and we would have already attacked.


Trump only knows what he's told.

Anyone who's been paying attention to Trump can clearly make out that he lives in a bubble and is not a true msm news consumer.

The tidbit about NK being able to hit the west coast actually came from the news. I've been following the news for years and I remember this clearly. It was the CIA who supposedly said NK had that ability. Look it up and see.

NK has no desire to hit the United States in an act of aggression. America seeks to aggress against NK because America is concerned about NK's country allies getting its technology.

This is about Israel.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: trumps russian ties, - 04/18/17 07:03 PM

The CIA also thought they could overthrow Castro so yea let's believe everything they say. As for the news stations, they have never stepped foot in NK until the other day when they followed Pence over there so they definitely don't have a clue. I'm as worried about NK striking the West Coast as I am seeing Hillary president. It ain't happening.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: trumps russian ties, - 05/10/17 05:19 AM

Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
The CIA also thought they could overthrow Castro so yea let's believe everything they say. As for the news stations, they have never stepped foot in NK until the other day when they followed Pence over there so they definitely don't have a clue. I'm as worried about NK striking the West Coast as I am seeing Hillary president. It ain't happening.


so, korea has a new president, and he wants better relations with the north, i think this no.korean threat is going to blow away.
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