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Another Myth about Prison Sentences

Posted By: Crash

Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/08/16 12:26 PM

Blacks blame their mass incarceration on the systems harsh crack cocaine laws because crack is mostly found in black neighbirhoods. The penalty for powdered cocaine is not as stiff and white people are spared the much harsher crack sentences.
Ok, get caught with a key of powdered coke and then tell me the sentence isnt stiff, but hey, whatever.
Ok, you are going to say getting caught with X amount of crack is much harsher than getting caught with an equal amount of powdered coke that a white guy may posess and thats true in some cases,
Thats true because CRACK IS MORE DANGEROUS.
How bout this : the penalty for crystal meth is much more harsh than regular speed.
Guess what, the overwhelming majority of those caught with crystal meth are WHITE.
Are we going to change laws based on the color of an offenders skin because very harsh crystal meth penalties mostly affect white people ?? How dumb!!!!
Ask the blacks about crystal meth laws when they bring up crack laws.
Oh yeah, white collar criminals get off easy... Really ??? They get some tough ass sentences. My buddy was locked up in a fed prison and said the white collar criminals received some of the harshest sentences. The media makes it sound as if white collar guys get off easy, thats utter nonsense. They get 10-20 year sentences for tax evasion, its fucked up.
More blacks are in prison, not because of racism but because they engage is more crime, especially violent crime. Change the culture, not the laws.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/08/16 01:45 PM

Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/08/16 04:13 PM

@crash

Do u realize u admitted that crack sentences are more harsh than powder coke sentences. That kinda destroys your argument
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/08/16 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@crash

Do u realize u admitted that crack sentences are more harsh than powder coke sentences. That kinda destroys your argument


Cook, that wasn't his argument. He was saying it evens out because white people get harsher sentences when they do crystal meth.

Anyway, just to throw something else into the mix, when these laws were first passed in the 1980s it was a combination of the mostly Democrat Black Congressional Caucus and Republicans who wanted these laws for the purpose of getting rid of those offenders who were causing the most damage to Black communities. So it wasn't racist, the purpose of the harsher sentences was to PROTECT Black communities.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/08/16 06:42 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels


Haha.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/08/16 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
it was a combination of the mostly Democrat Black Congressional Caucus and Republicans who wanted these laws for the purpose of getting rid of those offenders who were causing the most damage to Black communities. So it wasn't racist, the purpose of the harsher sentences was to PROTECT Black communities.


Here we go.

The 'it can't be racist because some black people supported it' argument.
Posted By: Crash

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/08/16 08:43 PM

Crack is a very dangerous and destructive drug hence the harsh sentences. Just because it affects blacks much more than whites doesnt mean the sentences are racist.
As i said, the penalties for crystal meth are actually more harsh than crack and guess what ??? The overwhelming majority arrested and sentenced for crystal meth are white people. Isnt that raicist ???

Do you know the penalties for LSD are more severe than crack? Most people arrested for LSD are white.

Stop making excuses for irresponsible and violent behavior at the hands of blacks. Its getting old.
You wanna make a difference, go speak to blacks about the dangers of having kids out of wedlock.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/08/16 09:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Crash


Its getting old.


Understanding irony isn't really your thing, is it?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/08/16 10:49 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
it was a combination of the mostly Democrat Black Congressional Caucus and Republicans who wanted these laws for the purpose of getting rid of those offenders who were causing the most damage to Black communities. So it wasn't racist, the purpose of the harsher sentences was to PROTECT Black communities.


Here we go.

The 'it can't be racist because some black people supported it' argument.


Okay, so you're calling all the members of the Black Congressional Caucus anti-Black racists. Got it.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/08/16 11:27 PM

No, actually I never posted anything like that. And anyone can read my comment to see that I didn't. Anything else?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/08/16 11:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Crash
Crack is a very dangerous and destructive drug hence the harsh sentences. Just because it affects blacks much more than whites doesnt mean the sentences are racist.
As i said, the penalties for crystal meth are actually more harsh than crack and guess what ??? The overwhelming majority arrested and sentenced for crystal meth are white people. Isnt that raicist ???

Do you know the penalties for LSD are more severe than crack? Most people arrested for LSD are white.

Stop making excuses for irresponsible and violent behavior at the hands of blacks. Its getting old.
You wanna make a difference, go speak to blacks about the dangers of having kids out of wedlock.


If I may, Helen.

Posted By: BlackFamily

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/09/16 12:17 AM

lol
Posted By: RollinBones

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/09/16 01:13 PM

this guy has gone full retard
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/10/16 06:56 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
No, actually I never posted anything like that. And anyone can read my comment to see that I didn't. Anything else?


Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The 'it can't be racist because some black people supported it' argument.


Obviously since you wrote sarcasm you are saying that it can be racist even though some black people supported it. Actually in this case some black Congressmen helped write it, which is deeper than just supporting it. So if harsh sentences for crack are racist despite some black people writing that law, it follows that those black people must also be racist. After all, do non-racists write racist laws?

Or perhaps you just wrote the sarcastic comment without really considering the logical implications of what you wrote. Kind of a knee-jerk left-wing reaction sort of thing. After all, it is possible for a piece of legislation to be wrong, bad or poorly thought out without it being racist.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/10/16 07:59 AM

You badly want to believe I said something that I never said. Go ahead, argue with your straw man. I'll just watch.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/10/16 06:15 PM

Your straw man is that I badly want to believe it. I notice you never wrote anything specific to refute what I wrote, which is telling. Please, correct the details that are false. I'll wait.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/10/16 07:24 PM

Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/10/16 07:44 PM

^Pathetic.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/11/16 03:55 AM

"you're calling all black congressional caucus members anti-black racists?"

"You're saying anyone who's not a leftist is greedy?"

"awh oooo"

"awh oooo"

Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/11/16 03:57 AM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
^Pathetic.


You'd think he'd at least come up with something original. Then again, maybe not.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/11/16 04:03 AM

As long as I come up with something. And, I always do. Even the Beatles did several covers.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/11/16 06:43 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
As long as I come up with something. And, I always do. Even the Beatles did several covers.


Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/11/16 11:12 PM

^^^^^

Maybe yoda orchestrated those 3 recent college rapist (who happened to be white) that all got off with less than 6 months served. Only 2 of them have to register as sex offender.....that's fucked up
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/12/16 01:15 AM

I'm surprised Brock Turner didn't try to use the defense that Yoda told him to do it. He did acid, after all.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/12/16 02:26 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
^^^^^

Maybe yoda orchestrated those 3 recent college rapist (who happened to be white) that all got off with less than 6 months served. Only 2 of them have to register as sex offender.....that's fucked up


What does that have to do with anything I wrote? I don't know about you, but I'm part of the Recall Judge Persky group (the idiot judge who gave Brock Turner a nothing sentence). If it was up to me I'd put Turner AND Persky in prison for 20 years or more. You want to make it a racial thing, but there's plenty of white people who are outraged. Just do an internet search.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/12/16 03:13 AM

I think it's pretty obvious what anyone would mean by saying it's a racial thing, and that is that the white suspect got a slap in the wrist. Just put a black face on Brock Turner, and try to picture him walking out of jail this soon for raping a girl by a trash dumpster.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/12/16 05:20 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I think it's pretty obvious what anyone would mean by saying it's a racial thing, and that is that the white suspect got a slap in the wrist. Just put a black face on Brock Turner, and try to picture him walking out of jail this soon for raping a girl by a trash dumpster.


Your opinion is as unsurprising as the sun rising in the morning and setting at night. Typical left-wing fantasies. So no, it's not obvious that the sentence was racially motivated. That's another straw man fallacy along with overgeneralization. Ever heard of Occam's Razor? Usually the simplest explanation is the best. You get the simplest explanation for what happened by actually reading up on what happened. You know, a few minutes of actual research instead of making knee-jerk reactions.

IMO, if another white guy who wasn't Brock Turner did the same thing he'd be put away for years too. If it was a different judge Turner wouldn't have gotten the light sentence. The reason for the weak sentence wasn't Turner's whiteness, it was the combination of Turner and his father and a stupid judge. That's the simplest reason. If you want to claim that white people don't get long prison sentences for rape, here's a few examples among the first few results from a search I just did:

Here's a white ex-cop getting 263 years for rape: https://thinkprogress.org/breaking-oklah...930f#.y6fkmcugd

Here's a white guy getting 34 years for rape: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article97155212.html

So if you want an obvious statement, here's one: once again, you have no evidence.

Here's another fact: In December 2015 Persky sentenced a white rapist to 30 years in prison. The fact is, as this article shows, the sentence he gave to Turner was an anomaly and his stated reason is because he didn't have any priors and has reduced sentences for black people also when no priors were involved. Why don't you read this article for some FACTS instead the usual talking points: http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/06/11/brock-turner-case-a-look-at-judge-aaron-perskys-record/

Now I drop the mic.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/12/16 05:51 AM

The simplest explanation is the best for the simple minded.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/12/16 05:56 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The simplest explanation is the best for the simple minded.


What a relief to see you finally being honest about yourself. Didn't think you'd come around. Spot on. That's called self-knowledge.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/13/16 08:47 PM

@faithful

rapist and pedophiles almost always get light sentences

brock turner, john enochs, and austin wilkerson admitted rape and served no real time

there ain't no way in hell these cretins should be on the streets to rape again
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/14/16 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@faithful

rapist and pedophiles almost always get light sentences

brock turner, john enochs, and austin wilkerson admitted rape and served no real time

there ain't no way in hell these cretins should be on the streets to rape again


It's not true that rapists and pedophiles almost always get light sentences. But maybe we can agree on this: too many do get light sentences. I absolutely agree with you that there's no way in Hell they should be walking the street. Put them away for no less than 30 years, even better, life. Yes, I'm all for pedophiles, rapists and murderers being put away for life. This does not include statutory rape where a teen and a young adult consent to sex.

I also believe that a big factor in someone getting a light sentence is the wealth of the defendant (pays for top lawyers) and fame (which usually overlaps with wealth). There's also times when sloppy police work ruined cases, like not running DNA tests, contaminated evidence, losing evidence, etc. And sometimes, as groups like The Innocence Project have shown, sometimes they put away the wrong guy due to incompetence or corruption. There are also times when a young woman falsely accuses her sex partner of rape because she changed her mind the next day. Some types of Third Wave Feminism actually encourage this.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/14/16 10:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
There are also times when a young woman falsely accuses her sex partner of rape because she changed her mind the next day. Some types of Third Wave Feminism actually encourage this.


In what ways does feminism, "third wave" or otherwise, encourage false accusations of rape?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/15/16 07:24 AM

Another example of the injustice system. A 19-year-old raped a baby when he was 16 and put up a video on social media and only gets a 10-year suspended sentence. There better be some outrage.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-n...tumwa-Vile-Evil
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/15/16 05:59 PM

Did feminism encourage that, too?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/15/16 06:07 PM

Are you butthurt because of what I wrote about third wave feminism? If you want the answers do a simple search. It's not my job to do your homework.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/15/16 06:24 PM

Why can't you just expand on the statement that you made?

You said feminism encourages reports of false rapes.

How so? Please explain. Why did you post it if you don't have the data to expand on it?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/15/16 08:30 PM

Because you rarely back up anything you write and I get tired of correcting every little factually incorrect claim that you make. I don't have that much time anymore and need to focus on other things. It's like having to explain that Lucky Luciano didn't create the Mafia to every new member every five minutes, or how forty mobsters weren't slain across the country in the wake of Salvatore Maranzano's death, or having to prove that the "Last Testament of Lucky Luciano" is a fraud. I wrote lengthy pieces on all this and the facts are out there.

Also, remember the internet is your friend and the information is available, usually for free. Instead of just looking at your own side to boost your pre-set beliefs, examine both sides (and other sides too). Try to put your SJW biases aside and consider the possibility that those with whom you disagree may have legitimate points. Open your mind to new possibilities. Don't automatically assume that because something doesn't fit with your current beliefs that it's wrong or false. Maybe it's your beliefs that need adjustment. Put truth ahead of politics. Now, I'll get back to living my life.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/15/16 08:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
I don't have that much time anymore


You found the time to claim that feminism encourages false accusations of rape. Find the time to back it up.

Quote:
It's like having to explain that Lucky Luciano didn't create the Mafia to every new member every five minutes, or how forty mobsters weren't slain across the country in the wake of Salvatore Maranzano's death, or having to prove that the "Last Testament of Lucky Luciano" is a fraud. I wrote lengthy pieces on all this and the facts are out there.


Huh?

Did I ever have a discussion about Lucky Luciano with you? Where did this come from?

Quote:
Now, I'll get back to living my life.


So, what were you doing when you made the unfounded claim that feminism encourages false rape accusations? Was that not part of your life?
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/16/16 01:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Another example of the injustice system. A 19-year-old raped a baby when he was 16 and put up a video on social media and only gets a 10-year suspended sentence. There better be some outrage.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-n...tumwa-Vile-Evil


This is terrible. 10 years? and it's suspended?
The judge HAS to go.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/18/16 02:57 AM

Quote:
Responding to the criticism, Gary Oldenburger, the county attorney for Wapello County, defended the sentence in a statement dated Thursday, presenting Mr. Grooms as the unwitting lackey of child pornographers who tricked him into the assault, as they had done to hundreds of other children.

By pretending to be a girl his age, then 16, the two men, one in New Orleans and one in Ireland, persuaded the teenager to perform sex acts he wouldn’t otherwise have done, Mr. Oldenburger said.

Mr. Grooms did not know he was being recorded, the prosecutor said in the statement.

He added that the child was uninjured, no pain was inflicted, and the child was too young to be aware of what was happening. Though the crime was no “less horrible because the child was too young to understand,” the lack of injury is an important factor in sentencing, he said.

Mr. Oldenburger said the case likely would have been dismissed had it gone to trial. The parents of the victim did not want Mr. Grooms to serve significant jail time and were more focused on him receiving treatment, he said.

The prosecutor also said that important witnesses were unwilling to testify, so the video might not have been admissible as evidence, making a trial more difficult.

He said a long sentence likely would have been overturned on appeal, with a quick parole. The 860 days he had already spent in jail would have counted toward his time served.

Mr. Oldenburger said psychologists did not believe Mr. Grooms was a high-risk candidate for committing more offenses.

“If Grooms was sent to prison for a long period of time rather than being sentenced to probation, he more than likely would be a greater risk to the community after his release than he will be after serving the sentence he received,” he said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/iowa-kraigen-grooms-sentence.html?_r=0

So the prosecutor asked for the light sentence. He claims that Kraigen Grooms was tricked into having sex with a 1-year-old baby by a pornographer. I would like to know how a 16-year-old can be tricked into raping a 1-year-old baby. If someone can explain it to me it would be appreciated because I don't understand it at all.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences - 09/18/16 03:46 PM

F1,

Thanks for the update. "Child uninjured"? wow!!!Parents didn't want him to serve time? Leads me to think that he's related to the victim. Everybody involved needs to jump off a roof.

And the innocent child should be placed in foster care.
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