Black lives Matter and the KKK

After all the violent protests instigated by black lives matter and the cold blooded killings of the police officers in Dallas, i think he KKK will make a resurgence. I hope that doesnt happen but i am concerned the black community ( not all ) is out to destroy the country through violence. The fact that blacks get murdered by other blacks at such an alarming rate but never protest black violence is a crime in itself.
This situation is a ripe breeding ground for the KKK.
This is getting scary.

So, will you be joining?

and how exactly do you know this.. because it's not on CNN? in just about every major city with significant gun violence there are anti-violence organizations that hold meetings, marches, and various other forms of anti-violence activism that nobody hears about because few people care about those communities in the first place.

the whole "black on black crime is never protested" is failing to see the forest through the trees and also flat out incorrect.

White supremacist groups were making a resurgence anyway, at an alarming rate, since Obama took office. Them using the Dallas shootings as a recruitment tool is a no brainer. Of course they will. But it would just be another method deployed in what has been an ongoing trend for 7 years.

I think the lack of a traditional nuclear family among large segments of the African-American population is a seed for some of these issues.

Which is not to say the whites are blameless.

I don't have a clue what it's like to be in a young black person's shoes and to be a target of racial bias and in-built suspicion.

The outrage in the black community over the daily violence that comes from drugs/gangs pales in comparison to any single officer involved shooting. Furthermore, as I mentioned elsewhere, they talk about how "black lives matter" and yet they keep voting in pro-abortion Democrat politicians. Black babies make up a HUGE portion of those killed every year. Black on black violence begins in the womb. But you won't hear them say anything about that.

This isn't necessarily about degrees of outrage as opposed to the mere existence of it, because it's usually one of the first talking points people turn to when people become outraged over police brutality. I'm simply pointing out that outrage over black on black violence does exist and there are people actively fighting against it, and have been for decades. Also, there's the fact that these killings are being carried out by the police, those who are supposed to protect communities. That has a lot to do with the widespread outrage.

As for the second half of your post, I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say that "black babies are a huge portion of those killed". Is this reference to gun violence or abortion?

Abortion

You will see more government and more police (I won't say a police state) as a result of the Dallas attacks

there are peace marches in chicago every week of the year

As long as blacks keep having babies out of wedlock, they will continue to slaughter one another and ruin neighborhoods with their irresponsible/ violent behavior.
Stop the out of wedlock births and black crime goes down dramatically.
Its up to them to donthe right thing.mim guessing they wont.
Personal responsibility isnt part of their narrative.

(Walks in with grand recliner seat & popcorn)

* Hmmm thought this was a topic about BLM & KKK forming a Union or something*

That would be interesting....

How many people usually participate in the marches against gangs and street crime? What organizations are normally involved? I'd like to hear more.

It didn't take long for the conspiracy theories to start. I've already seen several on FB taking about the KKK or some other white supremacist group setting this all up so they could disrupt the BLM protests or take the attention away from the recent shootings in Minnesota and Louisiana. Ridiculous of course but it's amazing what people want to believe.

http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9009544/
http://www.buildchicago.org/
http://youth.baltimorecity.gov/
http://ccyd.org/
http://www.commercialappeal.com/columnis...1.html?d=mobile
http://m.wapt.com/news/stop-the-violence-rally/29352442
http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=47571

Last article is from my city. We have always stated that the black community have groups, individuals, networks, & orgs from different locations speaking on the violence within the community. That's why I said that posters on here don't know what they're speaking on since you didn't grew up there nor reside. These anti violence wave BEEN going on but you know mainstream news rarely displays it compared to filling your meal course with violence. The first homicide in my city this year is personal because I know the shooter personally.

Ivy,

It's beyond ridiculous so much that a new word could be added to the dictionary.

this is a troll topic created by troll OP, obviously, but should be interesting discussion.


I always start off by conceding the facts that have been stated by others.


Existence of rallies,programs,prevention strategies focusing on internal problems within the Black community, including Black on Black violence? FACTS. There are threads on the forum where we link to articles/videos about them. Mainstream media doesn't show up but any given weekend these things take place in EVERY major city normally lead by clergy.I'd bet money that in any given month more people attend all of these types of events than BLM events in a given state.These events get covered on local AM radio and that's it.


Most of the problems in Black community directly related to "illegitimate births" and lack of nuclear families? FACTS. No dodging this truth.

Now, since we are having an open honest discussion, anybody who is Black, grew up with Blacks, or familiar with Black communities knows that most of the leaders in our communities have and continue to be members of clergy. I've said for years that religious leaders are ill equipped to realistically deal with modern day issues within the communities. They are held back by religious doctrine when BIRTH CONTROL,Family planning and ABORTION have to be discussed...and obviously those matters HAVE to be discussed.

Also, the two extreme ends of "protesting"......marching through the streets holding signs & singing gospel songs or resorting to violence towards un-involved individuals are both useless.

What is the point of either tactic?

I think that the decades of humble, meek, turn the other cheek, "Christian love for enemies" as taught in Black churches..and the suppression of anger at terrorism done on the community and then condoned by the state...is what created the violent outbursts in riots from the 1960s up to now. You can only hit somebody a certain amount of times before they aren't scared anymore.

Instead of leading people towards PRO-active economic and political long term solutions...these preachers are out here leading reactive marches & holding picket signs and singing "Kum Ba Ya".

Exactly. Anyone who reads the news knows that a resurgence of white supremacy groups emerged around 2009. Coincidentally, around the time we elected our first black president. You don't even have to cue the Jeopardy theme for that one.

That's actually something I've never been able to figure out about the black community. Many of them are religious, Christian believing people who attend church every Sunday. And yet they often seem to throw those beliefs out the window when it comes to politics, led as they are by local religious leaders that are more politically than spiritually driven.

Blacks continue to vote Democrat overwhelmingly even though the Democrats are the ones who are pro-abortion and a HUGE portion of babies aborted every year are black. Do "black lives matter" to them? They also have the increasing problem of the Democrats becoming even more secular than they've been and the party embracing the gay agenda. Like abortion, this conflicts with their Christian values.

Judging from some of your past posts, getthesenets, you're of a more "progressive," secular bent anyway so this may not be a problem for you. But it's a conflict for many others or at least should be. The church leaders in the black communities should be teaching and encouraging sex only within marriage and keeping the family strong - the lack of which has been the #1 problem in the black community - not throwing Christian teachings out the window even more by encouraging abortions.

Ivy,

I don't have a problem discussing things with you if we can do it as adults. In the past...during discussions, I've asked you questions....not insulting, not condescending, or in a silly way....and you've opted to not answer and just leave the thread. I'd prefer not to waste time like that.


I think in the history of this country, that those who fall out of the mainstream WASP culture....be they Jews,Catholics,Mormons,Blacks,etc are afforded fuller inclusion in American society under "progressive" and or "liberal" leaders and judges. Conservatism, by definition, is about maintaining the status quo.

As recently as past 10 years....the leader of the largest Protestant denomination in America..literally THE core of the religious right...publicly made disparaging comments about Mormonism. As an example. Not off the cuff remarks either...I think at a public speech.

There is something to be said for being honest about religious differences, but it reveals the limitations of elements of conservatism....that my way is the right way and everybody else has to agree with me or they are wrong.

People who fall out of the "approved" traditions and values of what some people believe have no value and no place in the eyes of the more extreme conservatives.

Those people(the "outsiders", despite what THEIR personal beliefs are, will tend to vote in ways that promote cultural pluralism.

First, I've never intentionally avoided a discussion or stayed away from a thread. It's certainly possible I've forgotten about a given thread or felt it ran it's course once things start to go in circles.

Second, my point was more about religious and spiritual beliefs than strictly conservative vs liberal. Though I would think one would influence the other. As I said, I don't understand how many in the black community can be Christian (the religious side of it) but then support politicians who support positions that aren't Christian (the political side of it).

Now, in the past and now, this is where you'll raise the point about how some Christians (especially certain Protestant and Evangelicals) criticize Mormons and certain things they don't consider Christian (according to their understanding of it). But things like abortion and homosexuality have been decried pretty much across the board among all Christian churches, have they not? At least traditionally, since I'm aware there are certain churches that have recently decided homosexuality is ok. Not sure how they justify it but that's another matter. Bottom line, I don't see black religious leaders saying abortion or homosexuality is ok so I can only assume they are against them. Yet they and their follower's voting habits support those things.

In sum, you're right that there are differences among Christian denominations but it's essentially a moot point since I'm not aware of any black churches or leaders that have announced they see no moral problems with those issues.

I give this black activist credit for being willing to undergo these scenarios to see just how hard making the right call can be

https://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g


Great stats video that shows just how much police brutality ISN'T

https://youtu.be/nRd5oucG114

BF, Thanks for sharing. Like you said, these marches rarely get publicized on TV. It may take people of major influence to force the networks to them coverage because they would rather focus on controversy and division.

Gets, we absolutely do need to get more in depth in these conversations. The problem we encounter is that few want to talk seriously and the rest either troll or mock, ruining it for the rest of us. This is an idea: Maybe we could even set up a topic that is only for racial issues and with admin permission, is set up to delete posts of those who want to just be assholes. It'll be our own little think tank. It may not go anywhere and probably won't change public policy, but we can at least create some understanding and correct myths and misinformation. It would be a good single place where we could address both Right-wing and Left-wing narratives while leaving partisanship at the door. In fact, we could just limit it to policy discussions and leave out the politicians.

F1,

Your welcome and I'm on board for discussion on ethnic issues/misconceptions and media propaganda that influence everybody. There's a reason why I created the topic "Tombstone" , in which we could explore the white community issues of homicides & domestic violence. It's touch upon but not heavily discuss compared to Black community issues and lesser extent Hispanics/Latinos.

Part of the Republican strategy is to divide blacks on homosexuality. It's evident in televangelism, it's evident on right wing radio, it's evident on FoxNews, and it's evident on THIS thread.

Blacks already don't look at it favorably. In fact, many get really annoyed when gays try to equate themselves with the civil rights movement of blacks. And rightfully so.

BLM? We have another armed standoff in Oregon?

I don't think it has to to with dividing them on homosexuality. Just getting them to see there's a political party that represents them better on the issue. Which is of course true..

Not saying I agree with these views, I don't... But it's obvious how most blacks view homosexuality..Hispanics too.

It's funny how you wrote your post, like it is a crime for a political party to try to gain support from more groups. It's "evident" that they're trying to gain support! And somehow this means malicious intent to "divide" blacks.
Next thing you know it's racist if republicans want gain black votes.

Right. All those Blacks who voted en mass for Barack Obama in California in 2008 and also voted to ban same-sex marriage voted that way because of Fox News and the Republican Party. Seriously, do you even think before you type things out?

Of course, a thread about BLM and the KKK somehow derailed into a discussion about black people and homophobia.

So, back to topic.

People should check out the book Irregular Army. It's about how Donald Rumsfeld, in a desperate attempt to meet recruitment goals during the Iraq War, began to overlook white supremacist backgrounds of recruits. So, you have a legitimization of white supremacy that started at the very top, combined with the election of the first black president a few years later. And we wonder why groups like BLM are gaining steam. BLM isn't a radical idea. It's self defense.

(Notice how OakAsFan ignores being proven wrong and doesn't admit his mistakes; instead he changes the subject.)

Does anyone remember another poster from the Bay Area who used to make stuff up? Some guy who said he was half Mexican and half Sicilian, and eventually got banned for repeatedly posting bogus information? What was his name again? Was it MobFan? Could OakAsFan be the same banned poster MobFan? Hmmm.....

Your accusation is inflammatory (along with being off topic), and I've reported it.

I think in the history of this country, that those who fall out of the mainstream WASP culture....be they Jews,Catholics,Mormons,Blacks,etc are afforded fuller inclusion in American society under "progressive" and or "liberal" leaders and judges. Conservatism, by definition, is about maintaining the status quo.

This is a line from my previous post. Civil Rights issue in the 1960s and the stances taken by parties and pres. candidates is what brought most Blacks over to the Dem. party. Religious overtures aside...it's documented the party platforms and votes regarding ENFORCING the Constitution and Amendments...namely granting EQUAL legal protection and full rights to ALL Americans. Preaching morality,the Bible,etc and not supporting equal rights for ALL of God's children....that sir is called talking out of both sides of ones mouth.

*I removed the picture of the Little Rock segregation protests, because it's irrelevant to the thread--What IS relevant is that it's well documented the stances and practices adopted by Christian denominations in the USA regarding segregation and race throughout the 20th century*

So like I said, talking out of both sides of ones mouth.


So you have your devout Christian black folks(true Christians, unlike the so called Christians who thought that enforcing the Constitution and Amendments were State's rights issues), who made practical decisions and chose to support party that supported them ACTUALLY having the same legal protection and rights as other Americans.

Goes back to my point about the history of this country and the ways that non-wasps have had to fight for inclusion...and how conservatism is going to butt heads with that.

Just speaking for myself, though...I was taught that you cannot control the outside world...but you can control your household. With limitations, what other people are doing is THEIR business but under my roof I will live according to my own codes and beliefs. I think that those who are from cultures that are NOT the dominant one, adopt similar viewpoint. I think it might be more natural for those from the dominant racial or religious group to feel the need to exert THEIR ways and beliefs on others.

So a Black Christian may live by a certain set of moral and religious beliefs and yet still support candidates and issues that operate outside of them.

The media are the ones most at fault for everything thats happening right now.

The question is, but is it true? As for inflammatory statements, you've made plenty, along with spreading false information that when pointed out gets ignored. If it's not true then I take back my question. Perhaps it's only coincidence that you both share the word "Fan" in your username, that you both come from the same geographical location, and that you both have the same M.O.

You'll have to excuse my suspicion, but there have been a number of banned posters who return using new usernames. We've also had a number of posters who come on this site and others like it just to boost their own credibility by mixing real facts with made-up facts.

"Look like somebody we know?"
"ohhhh....It's him...without the beard"

Unless you have some definite proof which can be verified do not post any accusations of one's past indiscretions on this board. With all the shit that is going on in this world now there is plenty to talk about other than these accusations. C'mon guys, get with it.

Thank you for addressing it. Disregard my second flag. I hadn't seen this post yet.

Is this guy for real or what?... Can't believe he actually hit the notify button. Wow!..Talk about having thin skin, damn.

I guess he doesn't read newspapers and know there is other stuff in the world going on (to talk about here). Maybe he'll hear about it on his one month vacation.

Guys, drop this shit already and discuss some other things.

Yes, I did. And it was because he accused me of being a previously banned member. I don't know who this banned person is or what kinds of things they said, so you'd better believe I'm going to clear my name as fast as possible. I ignore the personal insults, but false accusations and misrepresentations is something I'll take immediate action over.

The media is full of angry nerds who like uproar and chaos

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