Uzi's Ruminations 3/14 "Elizabeth Smart - VERY Fishy"

3/14

Don't be surprised if it comes to light that the Smart family was compliant...no, a partcipant....in young Elizabeth's dissapearance.

I say this because the American public underestimates the depth of some citizens' depravity. We do not have the coping skills to confront great intensity, on moral, psychological, economic, philosophical, etc., grounds. In turn, we do not want to face the difficult questions, the paradoxes, the inconsistencies.

For instance, you will hear Elizabeth Smart's family describe her as a "strong" girl. In the same breath, they dismiss the proposition that there was a way for her to escape Mitchell's grasp.

Bullshit. If she was so strong, she could have played Mitchell's game to her own advantage, seizing the opportune time to break away and seek shelter among a group of people, crying bloody murder. There is no doubt that if she made a scene, the police would be involved, and she could then reveal herself and return to "safety."

So it stands to reason that she was already "safe," or she is not as strong as some suppose.

We're not talking about a seven-year-old here. Elizabeth Smart was 14 when "abducted." I don't know about the rest of you, but I was playing some very adult games when I was 14. I knew how the world worked. And I would be GODDAMNED to let some hairy fuck deprive me of my freedom. ESPECIALLY if I was in public, rather than chained to a rafter in someone's attic.

The whole thing is too fishy for me. I bet Elizabeth Smart's father sold her, or made some other sordid deal.

Very fishy indeed! I don't know about the father "selling" her or anything, but this whole case had me saying "hmmm" from the get go. This wealthy family can't afford to hire trustworthy licensed contractors, they have to go to the dredge of the earth. Forget about the theory of "helping out the down trodden". If I had 5 kids I wouldn't let them anywhere near my house. And the sister waited a couple of hours before telling everyone, and they call her "brave"? I call her an imbicle. And now they said when she was found she lied about her identity. Maybe brainwashed, I don't know, but pretty peculiar if nothing else.

Although I don't "think" the parents had anything to do with the kidnapping, I totally agree that this whole thing sounds very "fishy".

The mother hires a homeless person off the street, dressed in a robe like Jesus, and who happens to be, of all things a "carpenter", to do work at her house Now, wouldn't that alone put up the "red flags"? What kind of idiot does this. They say she is kind hearted and felt sorry for these people. But come on!!!!

Also, the fact the Elizabeth was so close to home. I agree at 15, this girl is not a "little" kid. Unless of course she was drugged or something??? I don't know, but I do think more is going to come out of this story as time goes on.

That being said however, I felt so happy for the family when I heard she was alive (that too is unusual). After all the time that passed, I was certain they would find her body somewhere. I am glad she is ok.

TIS

TIS, I share your sentiments regarding happiness for the family...if everything IS as it seems. But I find that claim dubious.

If it IS legitimate, the Smart family needs to go back to the drawing board and teach their children to RUN AWAY if they are in public with kidnappers.

Drugged? Brainwashed? Bullshit. I believe it is fishy as hell, or Elizabeth Smart is as dumb as a bag of hammers.

I would go for drugged before brainwashed. Maybe a psychology major could answer this, but if she was brainwashed, why when she was 1st found would she claim not to be Elizabeth Smart, but the second she is reunited with her family she remembers who she is. And this bs about having 2 people with her. I'm sure at one time or another when they were out they would have walked near a cop or 2. She should have kicked, clawed, bitten, anything to get a cop's attention.

Liz Smart wasn't brainwashed imo, i think she was forced somehow, maybe one of the assholes had a gun. I think those two psychotics sexually abused her. I think they did a three-way with her. I mean, in this crazy world we live in, its not far-fetched.

Poke,I must say that I agree with you.I was watching an interview Connie Chung held with the father and 2 brothers of the young girl last night and the father was sticking his tongue out and joking around like it was no big deal.If you had just got your daughter back after she was gone for 9 months,should you be acting like that?I thought something strange was going on when I saw that.

coming up next: reality t.v takes a new twist as a real life family fakes the kidnapping of their 14 year daughter for 15 minutes of fame!

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... just kidding... that was really lame of me...

No, its very realistic of you. Parents like this ought to be crusified.

Precisely. And witnessing her father's sobs? I have seen better acting from Keanu Reeves. No...Brenden Fraser, even!

i don't know much about the lil sister witness, but if she saw this, why didnt she sream so the parents would hear it??? *assuming IF the parents were not in on it* The daughter of "Emmanual" said that he at times looked at her sexually, the way he touched, kissed, hugged, etc. WTF?!?! Now fathers are becoming attracted to their daughters?! Incest should be punishable by battery.

if anyone ever touched my kid I would slaughter their ass,regardless of prison time.

hmmm....i assume you saw the movie "Enough" right?

I don't know. I have a 13 year old and she's somewhat naive. Also, I have an 8 year old. If she witnessed a man with a knife who threatened to kill if she told, I can see her being afraid to move for hours. Also, God knows what Elizabeth experienced over the past 9 months. If she was sexually abused (especially if she was a virgin), I can see her being terrified enough not to run away. I don't think anyone knows what they would do given the circumstances. All the time, you hear people wonder why an abused wife doesn't just "leave" her husband, but what many don't realize is that the psychological abuse that they endure, in addition to the physical beatings, leaves them incapable of doing so. That girl lived for almost a year when the world considered her dead and buried somewhere. I say that she acted very intelligently if she managed to defy the odds and stay alive.

Poor Baby.I don't understand how anyone is capable of harming a kid.Physically or Emotionally.I thought she was 11.I didn't know she was 15.

I have to recommend a great book for anyone that has children. (This is a serious post, listen here, you may not get a serious post from me again):

_Protecting the Gift: Keeping Children and Teenagers Safe (And Parents Sane)_ by Gavin De Becker

Cuts through the hype, the hysteria, and gives some very practical tips and hints.

I can NOT recommend it high enough. Run, don't walk, to your nearest bookstore.

No,I haven't seen 'Enough',Vercetti.Is it any good.What is everyone's opinion?

Perhaps Elizabeth's religious indoctrination taught her to bow to "authority"? Her father, after all, says prayer brought back his daughter. Hence, shouldn't he be lobbying for a "Prayer Alert System"? I don't want to disparage religion, but only to critcize parents that indoctrinate their children to put blind faith in adults, particularly adults that represent some religious position. Note the Priest scandals, and the decades of silence.

Did this nut convince the girl that he was some messiah? A 14 year old girl that lives in a million dollar home is probably very different from a 14 year old girl from the hood. What kind of street smarts could Elizabeth have learned from her parents, who allow street bums into their house? Near their kids! Did you heard about the case last year when a little 7 year old black girl in Philly broke through a basement window to escape kidnappers?! Nevertheless, everyone reacts differently to circumstances. The direction of this thread seems to be blame the victim. What if Uz had been abused as a kid? I wouldn't blame him for remaining silent.

I'm with Uztopke on this one. This whole thing sounds fishy to me.

I still think there are a lot of unanswered questions.

This sounds really intriguing!! I haven't heard anything about this (understandable, I'm over here in England) but although I've gotten the gist of the tale, could anyone please give me a link or something to the full story?? I love a mystery. Thanks.

FH

FH - How are you doing, have not spoken to you in quite some time. Hope all is well.

I have attached a line from CNN it goes over some of the current issues, howver around the middle of the page are some 'related' links that may fill in some of the past gaps. Hope that helps you some.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/03/14/smart.kidnapping/index.html

Thankyou very much for the story links it was really kind of you to help me out.
What a strange story....I have to sort out more pieces before I come to a conclusion

Big Daddy, I'm fine thankyou, still sticking round the BB like a bad rash Thanks for asking. I hope your good too. Hope to see you in the chatroom or box sometime

FH

Maybe I'm gullible, but I agree 100%, Sicilian Babe. I think it went down just like we're hearing it happened. The media, too (talk about untrustworthy!), seems to be in awe that Elizabeth didn't "just run away." As the saying goes, "He who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it." I'm referring to Jim Jones' influence over 900 people back in the '70s in the jungles of Guayana. He was able to talk over 900 people into drinking cyanide-laced Koolaid...and most of these were adults! This is to say nothing of the Manson Family or countless other examples of effective brainwashing. I took a class on such cults, and I can tell you that they're extremely effecient at what they do. They isolate, indoctrinate, and subjugate through any and every means necessary. Throw in a little left-field religion, nine months, and the sponge-like mind
of a 14 year-old, anything is possible.