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what if trumps wins the presidency?

Posted By: Binnie_Coll

what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/29/16 06:01 PM

what was unthinkable 6 mos ago could happen. what would he do

about the middle east situation, about immigration reform,

has he ever spelled out his policies? he talks, but proposes no solutions.
any one have any ideas about his positions?

he never was a representative, a senator, we have no voting record to go by.

are we going to buy a pig in a poke? we realy don't even know the guy.


Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/29/16 07:07 PM

Then we will once again be respected throughout the world!
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/29/16 08:30 PM

It will be a good thing if only because it's not Hillary. Lesser of the two evils anyway.

With Hillary we WILL get a shit sandwich.

With Trump we MAY get a shit sandwich. Then again we MAY get egg salad.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/29/16 09:28 PM

^^LOL Very profound Ivy!
Posted By: Mignon

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/30/16 02:32 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague

With Hillary we WILL get a shit sandwich.


We will dive further into the pits of hell.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/30/16 01:05 PM

That's a good question. It's a question everyone needs to ask themselves if they vote.

Trump in control of the military power of the United States can be a bit of a frightening thought. But on the other hand, it probably is also frightening to the enemies of the United States also, and that's not a bad thing.

Imagining Hillary Clinton at the center of the current configuration of Russian aggression, Russian/Syrian alliance, North Korean ambition, the passive belligerence of China, not to mention terroristic threats and the open Southern border, is a sobering thought.

Binnie, you asked what would happen if Trump became President. One thing that would probably happen for sure is that deportations would rise. The President of the United States doesn't need permission from Congress to enforce the law.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/30/16 03:47 PM

alfa, thank you for your thoughtful input, however the point being, we are clueless about this guy...

he has never actualy spelled out any of his ideas about running the country, what really worries me is whos behind this guy?

with bush it was neo-cons who got us in middle east wars,

what do the people behind trump have in mind ?
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/30/16 04:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
alfa, thank you for your thoughtful input, however the point being, we are clueless about this guy...

he has never actualy spelled out any of his ideas about running the country, what really worries me is whos behind this guy?

with bush it was neo-cons who got us in middle east wars,

what do the people behind trump have in mind ?


He would definitely blunder Binnie, the question is blunder about what exactly.

It's obvious Trump is ignorant about the world. The comments he made to a crowd about Joe Paterno showed his deep ignorance and that he lives in a bubble, all the more hard to believe when you consider how rich he is.

Let's construct a red phone scenario for Trump. Let's say he was president instead of Barack Obama in the face of Syria's Bashir Al Assad. What would Trump have done? It's possible he would have exercised President authority to launch attacks up to 60 days in length in the interest of national security. Such a decision has great ramifications because with the Syrian government destroyed and Syria descending into Chaos, only Congress can approve the troop commitment to rebuild that country and restore order ("If you break it, you own it" - Colin Powel)

It's also possible that Trump means what he says about not being into nation building, and that like an isolationist he would tell the Syrians that they are on their own with their chemical weapons wielding despot of a President. It's a difficult one.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/30/16 04:23 PM

Quote:
what do the people behind trump have in mind ?


Forgive me for not addressing your question.

I really don't think anyone is behind Trump. They are trying to get behind him to manipulate. For instance, Trump was very much against flooding the country with foreign workers on visas. Now special interests have tried to get him to soften his position on that. Knowing that illegal aliens would leave a labor shortage behind were Trump to deport many of them, there seems to be a plan to replace the illegal aliens with H1b and H2b Visas.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/30/16 05:24 PM

Trump was already bringing in foreign workers on visas to work in his Florida golf resorts, and has been doing it for years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/pol...-club.html?_r=0

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-exclusive-idUSKCN0Q62RQ20150802
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/30/16 08:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Trump was already bringing in foreign workers on visas to work in his Florida golf resorts, and has been doing it for years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/pol...-club.html?_r=0

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-exclusive-idUSKCN0Q62RQ20150802


Exactly, how can he say now that he cares about H1b abuses when he profited from it. But then again using that logic, why would he even run for president being worth 10 billion dollars? Where is the necessity? Maybe he has regrets?
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 04/30/16 09:57 PM

Half the stuff him and Sanders etc promise will never happen in reality, Iv'e come to realize that Presidents and Prime Ministers don't actually have that much power (relatively). How would this stuff get through congress? Banning Muslims and building a wall costing millions of money?
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/01/16 04:00 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyScarfo
Half the stuff him and Sanders etc promise will never happen in reality, Iv'e come to realize that Presidents and Prime Ministers don't actually have that much power (relatively). How would this stuff get through congress? Banning Muslims and building a wall costing millions of money?


That's about right. The President mostly is just a check on Congress, to keep them from passing crazy laws with his veto pen, just in case the majority is wrong. He "presides" over Congress. Other than that, he's the top policeman in the country who must enforce laws. He has some military powers, but like I said earlier, those powers are mostly related to national defense and are sometimes limited in scope of time (e.g., being able to attack a country in the interest of national defense so long as the attack is within 60 days or less). If he can't prove that he deployed the military for good reason after such an attack, the ramifications could be very serious.

After what Bush pulled in 2003, Barack Obama was very wise to consult Congress before hitting Syria. Congress red lighted him. Russia and Putin then moved into the vacuum, thus making Bashir Al Assad nearly indestructible. That is on Congress. That was their decision.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/01/16 04:54 AM

Sanders wants us to spend even more money then we have been spending. He had no chance to be elected.

Hillary and Cruz will say anything to be elected. Fuck them.

Thrumps main issues put things in place to get the economy to grow. He could do that. Help the vets he could do that. Destroy Isis he could do that. Since we are locked into Obama care he might be able to do something to make it less expensive.

Keep radicals off the Supreme Court.

Audit the fed. When that happens people will know exactly how fucked up our economy is.
Build the wall or do something to reduce the illegals from flooding the country.

That's enough for me.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/01/16 04:59 AM

I heard Cruz will announce his entire Cabernet tomorrow and who his kids will eventually marry.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/01/16 06:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Keep radicals off the Supreme Court.


That's a big one. So much of the damage Obama has done has been who he's put on the court. If Hillary becomes president, the Supreme Court will be lost to liberal radical activists for years to come.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/01/16 06:51 AM

that's not good, too many liberals on the supreme court could ruin this nation.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/01/16 07:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
that's not good, too many liberals on the supreme court could ruin this nation.


One is too many because almost by definition a liberal justice is going to see the Constitution as a "living breathing" document, which is how they've always justified projecting their own views into it, rather than the conservative constructionalist approach that goes by what the Constitution actually says.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/01/16 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Trump was already bringing in foreign workers on visas to work in his Florida golf resorts, and has been doing it for years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/pol...-club.html?_r=0

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-exclusive-idUSKCN0Q62RQ20150802


That's a good pull,F1.

I believe this to be Trump's quote from March 03, 2016 -
regarding comments he made about h1 program during a debate.


"Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."


Posted By: Belmont

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/02/16 08:48 PM

We can hypothesize about Trump all day but one thing is certain to me at least; if he wins, he will surround himself with very smart/ experienced people. At the end of the day, thats what its all about.
I do think he will follow through with his immigration policies but to what extent is anyones guess. I cannot fathom him sending 12 million people home. perhaps convicted felons or those who were here less than 5 years?
I would keep all non violent offenders who have a valid tax id and who have been paying taxes, thats what we want in an immigrant. I do believe he will tighten the borders and make our military stronger. His personality alone will make Putin at least pause. I think he will be good for the country but Hilary will be construed as weak to the world in my opinion.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/03/16 10:58 PM

Now Trump is saying that Ted Cruz's father was in on the JFK assassination. I wonder if any Trump supporters will recognize that he has jumped the shark.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/03/16 11:09 PM

Thrump won Indiana.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/03/16 11:10 PM

Thrump says anything that the national enquirer says.
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/03/16 11:46 PM

I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/04/16 12:15 AM

Trump will make America great again!
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/04/16 12:46 AM

Cruz has left the building!
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/04/16 02:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Now Trump is saying that Ted Cruz's father was in on the JFK assassination. I wonder if any Trump supporters will recognize that he has jumped the shark.


I swear this guys made of Teflon, no matter what he says, nothing sticks to him.
he can become as outrageous as he wants, no one calls him on anything, god knows what he will say if he wins the presidency.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/04/16 07:16 PM

John Kasich now drops out. Trump is the last GOP candidate standing. He also gets an uncomfortable endorsement from Bobby Jindal.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/04/16 11:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
John Kasich now drops out. Trump is the last GOP candidate standing. He also gets an uncomfortable endorsement from Bobby Jindal.


what about these uncomfortable endorsements. does this mean he doesn't have the support he thinks he does, or is the rank, and file of the republican party going to march in step with him when he gets the nomination

because if they don't, he will lose and take many representatives, and senators with him. house, senate go to democrats.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/04/16 11:29 PM

House and senate go to the Democrates. There is no Democratic Party anymore.

There are all socialists to one degree or another. Only guys who are afraid would vote for them.

This is going to be an interesting November.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/05/16 01:53 PM

The rope is getting tighter around Hilary's neck. A foreign hacker and others got into Hilary's private emails account. Obama stooges in the Justice department will have to do something about it.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/05/16 03:47 PM

Trump's running mate is gonna be Archie Bunker. smile
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/05/16 04:52 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Trump's running mate is gonna be Archie Bunker. smile


The VP has to be a little different than the Prez, so he may go with George Jefferson instead. wink
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/06/16 11:45 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Trump's running mate is gonna be Archie Bunker. smile


Nice guess G, but Archie had a heart. The D-Shit has to find a comparable scumbag...or just pick head scumbag Christie.
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/06/16 11:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
Trump will make America great again!


Yo Bean. How far do we have to go back to be great again?
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/07/16 12:19 AM

F1,

True...maybe Fred Sanford...I remember Red Foxx's character not liking Mexican people either.

Sanford and Trump?


Mary,

The success of Trump indicates that Christie might have done well in the race. I thought his(Christie's) style was too abrasive for mainstream middle America, but I was wrong about that.Oh well, bridge gate stopped any momentum that Christie had.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/07/16 12:41 AM

Originally Posted By: MaryCas
Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
Trump will make America great again!


Yo Bean. How far do we have to go back to be great again?


Not far, Reagan and Kennedy.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/07/16 01:24 AM

Make America Great Britain Again!
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/07/16 09:15 AM

Quote:
or is the rank, and file of the republican party going to march in step with him when he gets the nomination


Binnie, the rank and file is going with Trump, and the GOP establishment will too. They are just pretending to dislike Trump so as to not scare the Hispanic vote over to the Democrat side. Deep down all of them like him, including Paul "I'm not ready to endorse Trump" Ryan. They can't wait until their party gets back into the White House. The Republican establishment is imagining that they will be able to pass all sorts of draconian laws once Trump is in, but they would be wrong about that.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/07/16 01:39 PM

Originally Posted By: MaryCas
Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
Trump will make America great again!


Yo Bean. How far do we have to go back to be great again?


About 24 years
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/07/16 01:46 PM

Normally the hispanic vote would want to vote republican. Their religious they value the family structure. They want to work.

The Democrates are socialists who hate the above. They want to keep minorities dependent on them.

The worst thing the Democrates did was not pushing them to learn English. You can't make decent money here without learning English. Anyone disagree ?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/07/16 01:56 PM

Anyone here think we have to have three bathrooms to get jobs.

We have to have a women president if she is corrupt and incompetent.

We need bigger government as if it is not big enough already.

O Bama care is the perfect answere to our health care problem.

We need people to live in fear afraid they might lose something.

This would be a perfect life if you were a sheep. Evidentially sheep get eaten.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/07/16 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Normally the hispanic vote would want to vote republican. Their religious they value the family structure. They want to work.

The Democrates are socialists who hate the above. They want to keep minorities dependent on them.

The worst thing the Democrates did was not pushing them to learn English. You can't make decent money here without learning English. Anyone disagree ?


Unfortunately I see think many Hispanics are becoming the same straight Democrat ticket voters that most blacks have been for years.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/07/16 04:08 PM

Alfa,

I agree with you. I think, as usual, there is a bit of political tightrope walking.I think part of it is based on the future hispanic vote.....the rest is based on....when this Trump phase goes away.....politicians want to be able to say that they were on the record as opposing Trump.



Foot,
Some of the hispanic immigrants here had no intention of staying here permanently. Just came here to work, send money back home to support families. Many had no intention of assimilating or establishing careers. You are right though! Any immigrant who comes here, for any amount of time...your options are limited by the amount of English you speak..PERIOD. Forward thinking immigrants will always try to learn the language......if only to be able to make more money.

The legal way of immigration is going to bring more of the forward thinking immigrants here....as it tends to bring in the most ambitious and resourceful people.......and weeds out a lot of the others.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/07/16 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Normally the hispanic vote would want to vote republican. Their religious they value the family structure. They want to work.

The Democrates are socialists who hate the above. They want to keep minorities dependent on them.

The worst thing the Democrates did was not pushing them to learn English. You can't make decent money here without learning English. Anyone disagree ?


Unfortunately I see think many Hispanics are becoming the same straight Democrat
ticket voters that most blacks have been for years.



Hispanics I think are pretty much Democrats, specially the Puerto Ricans. The Cubans however, who live in Miami and NJ seem to be more conservative and Republicans.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/10/16 01:58 PM

Quote:
Alfa,

I agree with you. I think, as usual, there is a bit of political tightrope walking.I think part of it is based on the future hispanic vote.....the rest is based on....when this Trump phase goes away.....politicians want to be able to say that they were on the record as opposing Trump.


I hear you GetNets, but that Trump phase might last 8 years. Maybe they (GOP) are afraid of the anti Trump voters in their local Congressional districts?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/10/16 06:55 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
F1,

True...maybe Fred Sanford...I remember Red Foxx's character not liking Mexican people either.

Sanford and Trump?


Hmmm... Could that be Trump's new theme song?


Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/11/16 11:34 AM

Good one,F1.

Here's Fred in his newly appointed role as border patrol.




*and before anybody says it, yes..I know that the character Julio was Puerto Rican and not Mexican.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/11/16 01:34 PM

^^LOL Gets I remember him in Barney Miller.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/11/16 02:35 PM

Bean,

The only other time I've seen that actor is when he played crime boss,Felix Barbosa in Deep Cover.

Here's what more hilarious. DC is one of my alltime favorite films. Here's a piece of dialogue from the film..edited of course.


cop" I need a bust or my supervisor is gonna start worrying about me

felix" here you can have Gopher(his assistant)

cop "no...I need some dark faces....for the cameras to scare the suburbs into voting Republican"

felix" how about 2 Blacks and a Jew?The trifecta...all Democrats"

cop"nice"
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/11/16 02:54 PM

Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/11/16 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Bean,

The only other time I've seen that actor is when he played crime boss,Felix Barbosa in Deep Cover.



Deep Cover was VERY good. Barbosa was played by Gregory Sierra. Sorry Italophiles, but IMHO Gregory played a better gangster and boss than almost anyone I've seen in any other organized crime movie. Deep Cover is an old movie, but I don't get tired of rerunning it.

Gregory also played the first precinct captain in Miami Vice...before Edward James Olmos. Again...a very believable role and character. The first captain was corrupt, unlike the steely and unflappable "Castillo".
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/12/16 08:42 AM

Here's why anyone dumb enough to vote for Hillary needs to jump off a building


Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/23/16 08:31 PM

That was a killer video.

As of today Thrump is leading Hillary for President polls.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/25/16 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
That was a killer video.

As of today Thrump is leading Hillary for President polls.


The polls mean about as much as a bad blowjob. nothing will mean anything until the conventions are over. If the tickets are in fact Donald and Hilary, then the American public has to be some of the fucking stupidest citizens in the world. two known liars both surrounded by allegations and alleged wrongdoing are the two very best candidates our country could come up with? This entire primary has been an embarrassment to our citizens as other countries are watching Donald give pet nick names to his opponents, deflect or completely avoid any answers regarding policy and procedure and Hilary is Hilary...what is wrong with our country? Goes to show that $$$$$$$$ buys elections. its never been about who the best and most honest person is in office any longer, its only about the $$$$$$. Newsflash: both will do a disgraceful job and I don't feel secure for any of my kid's future.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/25/16 07:07 PM

@dinocrocetti - Can't disagree with a word you wrote.

Today the State Dept. released a report that Hillary didn't follow the rules and her aides were uncooperative with investigators. This would be enough to knock anyone else out of the presidential race, but her supporters probably don't care how corrupt she is.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/us/politics/state-department-hillary-clinton-emails.html?_r=0
Posted By: mustachepete

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/25/16 07:39 PM

Here's another article about the State Department OIG review:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-email-inspector-general-report-223553

Without even seeing the whole report yet, there's just a huge amount of material here. One thing that's always been floating around is that the server was orginally Bill Clinton's. It seems to turn out that Bill's stuff stayed on the server concurrently with Hillary's and that Bill had his own tech person working on the server, which means that the server was always compromised. It says that it was common knowledge at State, and people were told not to talk about it, which should cause multiple people at State to be fired and have their clearances stripped. It says that Bill's tech person found several instances of attempted hacking, not all of which were reported to State. It says that Hillary did not comply with record keeping laws. It says that Hillary and her top staff refused to cooperate with the State Department in preparing the report.

Edit: Here's the report itself:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/...ry-clinton.html
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/25/16 07:45 PM

I thought the world went crazy when a community organizer socialist was elected President of the US over a true American hero McCain. Knew it when he got reelected.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/26/16 03:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
@dinocrocetti - Can't disagree with a word you wrote.

Today the State Dept. released a report that Hillary didn't follow the rules and her aides were uncooperative with investigators. This would be enough to knock anyone else out of the presidential race, but her supporters probably don't care how corrupt she is.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/us/politics/state-department-hillary-clinton-emails.html?_r=0



newsflash: if you think hilary is the only politician using a private email address i have an igloo to sell you. im not aware of one president of the united states that hasn't lied in my lifetime. im 40. Can you imagine trump sitting at a conference table in the middle east with the shah of iran and other islamic leaders without offending somebody? clinton is the lesser of the two evils and at least knows foreign policy with a comprehensive legal background. trump is a true disgrace. his bullshit slogan about making america great again is a propaganda run by a reality tv star who knows how to achieve ratings.

how the american public rallied behind trump when you had guys like carson and kasich who ran clean, substantive campaigns have made me realize that our future is in jeopardy but most importantly, the future of our children. And the generations coming up are spoiled lazy. ashame, truly ashame.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/26/16 04:15 PM

F1 and Pete, thanks for the links.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/26/16 04:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
@dinocrocetti - Can't disagree with a word you wrote.

Today the State Dept. released a report that Hillary didn't follow the rules and her aides were uncooperative with investigators. This would be enough to knock anyone else out of the presidential race, but her supporters probably don't care how corrupt she is.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/us/politics/state-department-hillary-clinton-emails.html?_r=0


power has always corrupted since the beginning of time. what makes hilary more corrupt than trumpy? It's not like she's out there committing crimes against humanity or embezzling $100 million out of a company, right? W pardoned the CEO of Enron because he was a major donator to his presidency and did the Republicans see anything wrong with that? trump has been as dishonest as one could be. and so has hilary. and so has W. and so has bill clinton. and so has Bush Sr. and so has Nixon. and so has Reagan. and so has ford. and so has jfk. and so has john kerry. and so has mitt the misfit. hell, even bill cosby has lied about drugging dozens of women.

In this race, it doesn't matter if youre republican or democrat, both candidates are reprehensible and america and its citizens should be ashamed of themselves.

and in breaking news, the cocksucker Kenneth Starr who infamously headed the blowjob investigation into bill clinton was fired for not doing anything about or reporting allegations of sexual assault by baylor football players. it truly goes to show that what goes around, comes around. buh bye mr starr, now look at who the disgrace is.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/26/16 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
@dinocrocetti - Can't disagree with a word you wrote.

Today the State Dept. released a report that Hillary didn't follow the rules and her aides were uncooperative with investigators. This would be enough to knock anyone else out of the presidential race, but her supporters probably don't care how corrupt she is.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/us/politics/state-department-hillary-clinton-emails.html?_r=0


power has always corrupted since the beginning of time. what makes hilary more corrupt than trumpy? It's not like she's out there committing crimes against humanity or embezzling $100 million out of a company, right? W pardoned the CEO of Enron because he was a major donator to his presidency and did the Republicans see anything wrong with that? trump has been as dishonest as one could be. and so has hilary. and so has W. and so has bill clinton. and so has Bush Sr. and so has Nixon. and so has Reagan. and so has ford. and so has jfk. and so has john kerry. and so has mitt the misfit. hell, even bill cosby has lied about drugging dozens of women.

In this race, it doesn't matter if youre republican or democrat, both candidates are reprehensible and america and its citizens should be ashamed of themselves.

and in breaking news, the cocksucker Kenneth Starr who infamously headed the blowjob investigation into bill clinton was fired for not doing anything about or reporting allegations of sexual assault by baylor football players. it truly goes to show that what goes around, comes around. buh bye mr starr, now look at who the disgrace is.


Corruption is fraud or dishonesty by those in power, often involving bribery and usually as an exchange for favors.

The difference between Trump and Hillary is that Hillary has been in positions of political power (Senator and Secretary of State) while Trump has never held a political position. The evidence for corruption is found in the use of her email server and the classified emails that passed through it against federal law, and her unstated assertions that she's above the law. Then there's evidence of pay for favors involving foreign countries making large donations to the Clinton Foundation for favors involving the State Dept. during her tenure. My stating this about Hillary Clinton doesn't make Trump a good guy, but she was in a position where she had to sign government agreements under penalty of perjury where she failed to keep those agreements. In the meantime, Trump is being sued and will have to appear in court to testify in the Trump University fraud case.

BTW, Ken Starr was demoted, not fired. He's still a law professor at Baylor, and whatever happened in his investigation of Bill Clinton is totally irrelevant to whatever wrongdoing he may or may not have done at Baylor. In the Clinton investigation, Ken Starr was selected to be a special prosecutor by Bill Clinton's own Justice Department, and the only person who did wrong was Clinton, not Starr. Clinton lied under oath and was justifiably impeached and made to lose his law license by an outside judge. Clinton's own Justice Dept. sent people to prison for doing exactly what he did, so he got off easy because of his elevated position.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/26/16 11:20 PM

Clinton got impeached because he lied under oath.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/26/16 11:30 PM

He is a rapist. Their was a tv show called the highlander. There was a spin off a highlander with a female highlander. He raped that girl in real life. She did not pursue it because they went after her mother and father using the IRS and it would have killed her career.

Bill is a scum bag. He was cheating on Hillary since he was governor or before. She did not leave him because she was riding his coat tales.

The actor Gianni Russo the guy in the godfather. He married the don daughter. This guy got tons of women in his life. He went sailing with Bill Clinton. He said Bill got even more women then he did on that trip.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/26/16 11:41 PM

Got her name Elizabeth Gracin a former miss America from guess where Arkansas isn't that where Clinton was governor?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 04:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Got her name Elizabeth Gracin a former miss America from guess where Arkansas isn't that where Clinton was governor?


Elizabeth Ward Gracen didn't say that she was raped, she said she had a one-night stand with Clinton in 1982.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 08:21 AM

The key difference is the effect each would have on the makeup of the Supreme Court. Obama has already done so much damage and Hillary would only compound that. If she gets elected the Court will be lost to liberal activist judges who hold the Constitution in contempt for years to come.

Also, look at the scum who make up so much of the protesters against Trump. The "Black Lives Matter" scumbags. Your typical socialist anarchist types. The gays, transgenders, and other defectives. Illegal immigrants who have no desire to assimilate. Just going against what people like them want means you're probably doing something right.

I'm not saying you have to like Trump but if you don't recognize the fact he's at least the lesser of two evils, compared to Hillary, you're as dumb as a box of rocks. Or just an unapologetic liberal hack.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 11:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Got her name Elizabeth Gracin a former miss America from guess where Arkansas isn't that where Clinton was governor?


Elizabeth Ward Gracen didn't say that she was raped, she said she had a one-night stand with Clinton in 1982.


I been hearing about this for years. She as raped it was not just a one night stand between two consenting adults
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 11:46 AM

Ivy I am not to sure it's illegal immigrants protesting against Thrump. When your illegal or doing something illegal you tend to keep a low profile.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 11:49 AM

They have asked Latino's protesting why. They had no answer they were being paid to protest.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 01:28 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The key difference is the effect each would have on the makeup of the Supreme Court. Obama has already done so much damage and Hillary would only compound that. If she gets elected the Court will be lost to liberal activist judges who hold the Constitution in contempt for years to come.

Also, look at the scum who make up so much of the protesters against Trump. The "Black Lives Matter" scumbags. Your typical socialist anarchist types. The gays, transgenders, and other defectives. Illegal immigrants who have no desire to assimilate. Just going against what people like them want means you're probably doing something right.

I'm not saying you have to like Trump but if you don't recognize the fact he's at least the lesser of two evils, compared to Hillary, you're as dumb as a box of rocks. Or just an unapologetic liberal hack.


spoken like a true Republican. i didn't know it was a crime to be gay. Transgender on the other hand...I agree with you. youre entitled your 'opinon.' im sure youre the type of republican that will blame democrats for everything. whose worse, hilary clinton or the lying previous administration that did so much harm to our country economically that got us into a war we never should have been in while we continue to lose lives. people like you will defend it im sure because republicans only do good and theyre perfect, right? wow did my opinion of you go right down the shitter wiseguy
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 02:37 PM

Are you saying transgenders are not as important as gays. What kind of democrat are you?

I bet you think black lives don't matter either. I think black lives matter because they work cheap so do Hispanics for that matter.


The previous administration is Obama's. A lot of soldiers have been killed under Obama because of his stupid rules of engagement.

Enemy hides in a mosque you can't attack that mosque. Your the enemy and hid in a mosque they die in that mosque.

No talk on the economy Obama did shit on the economy. Hillary wants to keep that going.

There were are a lot of people on here that were Democrates. This is not the Democratic Party workers used to know. It is a socialist party now.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Are you saying transgenders are not as important as gays. What kind of democrat are you?

I bet you think black lives don't matter either. I think black lives matter because they work cheap so do Hispanics for that matter.


The previous administration is Obama's. A lot of soldiers have been killed under Obama because of his stupid rules of engagement.

Enemy hides in a mosque you can't attack that mosque. Your the enemy and hid in a mosque they die in that mosque.

No talk on the economy Obama did shit on the economy. Hillary wants to keep that going.

There were are a lot of people on here that were Democrates. This is not the Democratic Party workers used to know. It is a socialist party now.



im an independent who was a huge Bill Clinton supporter. i also voted for W, alot of fucking good that did. Compromise, neither party wants to do it and its essential to run a country. my issue with republicans is 'none' of them have done shit since ronnie reagan. but ur entitled ur opinion footreads and i respect that. is the economy better today than when obama took office? indeed it is. has unemployment gone down? yes. and i bet u would say that u could do a better job than obama. in ur opinion, what has he done good? im willing to bet u would say he did nothing right because thats what republicans do. is ur education level as good as obama's? could u get the majority of the country to support your political ideologies? probably not. i dont agree with everything the guy has done.

ande when i said the previous administration, i meant W. did he lie? yes. did cheyney lie? yes. did colin powel use a private email server from 2001-2005. yes (its very common). while i agree the world is a better place without sadam hussein, fact of the matter is that he ran a much tighter ship in iraq and the country was better off with him than without him. W started a war to finish what his senile daddy started in 1991 sitting from his kennebunkport estate. W fucked our economy along with the republican greed of wall street. it was in the worst shape in u.s history when W left office, correct? but u blame obama. quit blaming people and do something about it. how r ur credentials? r u better fit than obama to run a nation? if u debated him, he'd bury u based off of intelligence alone.as he would all of us grunts who troll these sites. our opinion has no significance. by the way, i voted for mitt in the 2nd election..who was about as likable as a wet fart. mitt lost the elction that he should have easily won. why? because his campaign was about low blows and criticizing his opponent yet vague on policy and he flat out is not likable in any way, shape or form. as an independent, republicans dont want to compromise and their party is in serious trouble, thats evident by this election. if u look at trump as a leader and a man who is a perfect fit for prez, good for u. we have two despicable human beings who will be going toe to toe, neither one of them are truthful or have the country's best interest at heart, would u agree with that? and u and i put these assholes on the ticket. and by the way, i was supporting kasich/carson
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 04:31 PM

here are some specific examples of economic improvement under Obama:

As of January 2016, a record 64 consecutive months of overall job growth. http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of January 2016, Unemployment drops below 5% for the first time in eight years and without a significant bubble. 4.9% http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of April 2016, there have been 74 consecutive months of private sector job growth. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

In April 2016, new unemployment claims hit their lowest level since Nov. 1973. http://nyti.ms/1YhZEBk

Since February 2010, when job numbers hit their lowest point, 14.6 million non-farm private sector jobs have been created. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

Oversaw a reduction in the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office. http://bit.ly/1xKMmjY

Reduced the federal budget deficit from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.9% of GDP in FY 2014. http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45653

**again, i dont agree with all of his politics but certain credit should be given to 'any' president who helped improve the economy after W's disaster

heres another one

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-gi...-to-give-credit
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 05:11 PM

Lots of deception in those stats.

The federal reserve has suppressed interest rates artificially for years now which means the economy is on life support and relies on cheap credit just to remain afloat. If they ever raised them in a significant way than the whole economy will collapse harder than ever before.

Unemployment can go down while part time work increases or people give up looking for work and are not counted.

There's nothing magic about Obama or any other president. He's not "fixing" or improving the economy from
His office. He's just a guy wearing a suit. People need to stop thinking these guys have super powers.

The Fed creates bubbles, bubbles pop. Then they create a bigger one till that pops. Cycle repeats.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 06:28 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The key difference is the effect each would have on the makeup of the Supreme Court. Obama has already done so much damage and Hillary would only compound that. If she gets elected the Court will be lost to liberal activist judges who hold the Constitution in contempt for years to come.

Also, look at the scum who make up so much of the protesters against Trump. The "Black Lives Matter" scumbags. Your typical socialist anarchist types. The gays, transgenders, and other defectives. Illegal immigrants who have no desire to assimilate. Just going against what people like them want means you're probably doing something right.

I'm not saying you have to like Trump but if you don't recognize the fact he's at least the lesser of two evils, compared to Hillary, you're as dumb as a box of rocks. Or just an unapologetic liberal hack.


spoken like a true Republican. i didn't know it was a crime to be gay. Transgender on the other hand...I agree with you. youre entitled your 'opinon.' im sure youre the type of republican that will blame democrats for everything. whose worse, hilary clinton or the lying previous administration that did so much harm to our country economically that got us into a war we never should have been in while we continue to lose lives. people like you will defend it im sure because republicans only do good and theyre perfect, right? wow did my opinion of you go right down the shitter wiseguy


I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative independent. And why are you bringing up Bush? He isn't running.

As I've said before, neither of the two candidates are what I would consider ideal. But if you can't see how horrible Hillary would be, and how absolutely unworthy of the office she is, you're blind. She's unquestionably the worse of the two evils.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
here are some specific examples of economic improvement under Obama:

As of January 2016, a record 64 consecutive months of overall job growth. http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of January 2016, Unemployment drops below 5% for the first time in eight years and without a significant bubble. 4.9% http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of April 2016, there have been 74 consecutive months of private sector job growth. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

In April 2016, new unemployment claims hit their lowest level since Nov. 1973. http://nyti.ms/1YhZEBk

Since February 2010, when job numbers hit their lowest point, 14.6 million non-farm private sector jobs have been created. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

Oversaw a reduction in the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office. http://bit.ly/1xKMmjY

Reduced the federal budget deficit from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.9% of GDP in FY 2014. http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45653

**again, i dont agree with all of his politics but certain credit should be given to 'any' president who helped improve the economy after W's disaster

heres another one

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-gi...-to-give-credit


I could go through them all and tell you why they read that way. But I have on other posts and don't wish to do it again.

Don't believe everything you read.

They are doing fuzzy math to make things sound fantastic we are close to a melt down.

Since your doing great you don't have nothing to worry about. Don't spend it all in one place.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 11:10 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
here are some specific examples of economic improvement under Obama:

As of January 2016, a record 64 consecutive months of overall job growth. http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of January 2016, Unemployment drops below 5% for the first time in eight years and without a significant bubble. 4.9% http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of April 2016, there have been 74 consecutive months of private sector job growth. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

In April 2016, new unemployment claims hit their lowest level since Nov. 1973. http://nyti.ms/1YhZEBk

Since February 2010, when job numbers hit their lowest point, 14.6 million non-farm private sector jobs have been created. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

Oversaw a reduction in the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office. http://bit.ly/1xKMmjY

Reduced the federal budget deficit from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.9% of GDP in FY 2014. http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45653

**again, i dont agree with all of his politics but certain credit should be given to 'any' president who helped improve the economy after W's disaster

heres another one

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-gi...-to-give-credit


First, the reality about Bill Clinton:
1. The Clinton economy did not start to improve until he started working with Congressional Republicans in his famous "triangulation." The Republican Congress passed tax cuts earlier that year and then the economy started to improve. Prior to that the Clinton economy was not doing well.
2. When Clinton left office he left W a recession, called the "Clinton recession." This has been so underreported that few even know about this. http://dailysignal.com/2012/09/07/two-huge-flaws-in-the-legend-of-the-clinton-economy/
3. Obviously W got us into the Iraq War, but so did Hillary Clinton. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/
4. "W's disaster" wasn't entirely of his own making. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars (mostly) go to him, but the housing and credit crises mostly go to Bill Clinton when he changed the housing laws and regulations: http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/14/clintons-legacy-the-financial-and-housin; https://cei.org/blog/clinton-pressure-promote-affordable-housing-led-mortgage-meltdown; there were other contributors, but it was the Clinton administration that was the initial cause and the catalyst for what followed, and it was the housing crisis that led to the credit crisis and the subsequent bailouts.
On Obama and the economy, your citations are easily challenged:
1. Under Obama we have the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303816504577311470997904292
2. The number of "breadwinner jobs" is LOWER than it was at the end of the W administration: http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/ba...8-million-jobs/
3. Meanwhile, there has been an increase in part-time jobs and a decrease in full-time jobs (and full-time has been redefined from 40 hours a week to 30). Mainstream media sources have been slow to admit this: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/...time-employment
4. In 2012 even factcheck.org noted that Obama plays "sleight-of-hand" with economic statistics: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-economic-sleight-of-hand/
5. Providing context shows that the economy has actually been dropping jobs or at least increasing only marginally at best: http://www.investors.com/politics/commen...ant-you-to-see/
6. The number of discouraged workers, people classified as giving up on looking for work, has grown. A report from 2015 puts it at 40%: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/20/40-percent-of-unemployed-have-quit-looking-for-jobs.html
7. Even left-wing Chris Matthews recognizes that the labor force is shrinking: http://fortune.com/2016/05/06/april-jobs-report-participation/
8. According to the BLS, the proportion of foreign-born workers is higher than native-born workers: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/forbrn.pdf
9. Obama has increased the national debt more than all previous 43 presidents COMBINED (even Politifact agrees): http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...more-debt-all-/
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/27/16 11:26 PM

^^Thank you for posting Faithful. Very informative, well researched and written.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/28/16 01:17 AM

Yes great post faithful. I sure Dino would not believe it too brain washed for that.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 05/28/16 10:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Yes great post faithful. I sure Dino would not believe it too brain washed for that.


Dino's a good guy and a friend. The thing about this board is that people can agree to disagree and keep it friendly. And for the record, there's not a single U.S. president who isn't beyond criticism.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/01/16 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
here are some specific examples of economic improvement under Obama:

As of January 2016, a record 64 consecutive months of overall job growth. http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of January 2016, Unemployment drops below 5% for the first time in eight years and without a significant bubble. 4.9% http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of April 2016, there have been 74 consecutive months of private sector job growth. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

In April 2016, new unemployment claims hit their lowest level since Nov. 1973. http://nyti.ms/1YhZEBk

Since February 2010, when job numbers hit their lowest point, 14.6 million non-farm private sector jobs have been created. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

Oversaw a reduction in the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office. http://bit.ly/1xKMmjY

Reduced the federal budget deficit from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.9% of GDP in FY 2014. http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45653

**again, i dont agree with all of his politics but certain credit should be given to 'any' president who helped improve the economy after W's disaster

heres another one

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-gi...-to-give-credit


First, the reality about Bill Clinton:
1. The Clinton economy did not start to improve until he started working with Congressional Republicans in his famous "triangulation." The Republican Congress passed tax cuts earlier that year and then the economy started to improve. Prior to that the Clinton economy was not doing well.
2. When Clinton left office he left W a recession, called the "Clinton recession." This has been so underreported that few even know about this. http://dailysignal.com/2012/09/07/two-huge-flaws-in-the-legend-of-the-clinton-economy/
3. Obviously W got us into the Iraq War, but so did Hillary Clinton. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/
4. "W's disaster" wasn't entirely of his own making. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars (mostly) go to him, but the housing and credit crises mostly go to Bill Clinton when he changed the housing laws and regulations: http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/14/clintons-legacy-the-financial-and-housin; https://cei.org/blog/clinton-pressure-promote-affordable-housing-led-mortgage-meltdown; there were other contributors, but it was the Clinton administration that was the initial cause and the catalyst for what followed, and it was the housing crisis that led to the credit crisis and the subsequent bailouts.
On Obama and the economy, your citations are easily challenged:
1. Under Obama we have the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303816504577311470997904292
2. The number of "breadwinner jobs" is LOWER than it was at the end of the W administration: http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/ba...8-million-jobs/
3. Meanwhile, there has been an increase in part-time jobs and a decrease in full-time jobs (and full-time has been redefined from 40 hours a week to 30). Mainstream media sources have been slow to admit this: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/...time-employment
4. In 2012 even factcheck.org noted that Obama plays "sleight-of-hand" with economic statistics: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-economic-sleight-of-hand/
5. Providing context shows that the economy has actually been dropping jobs or at least increasing only marginally at best: http://www.investors.com/politics/commen...ant-you-to-see/
6. The number of discouraged workers, people classified as giving up on looking for work, has grown. A report from 2015 puts it at 40%: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/20/40-percent-of-unemployed-have-quit-looking-for-jobs.html
7. Even left-wing Chris Matthews recognizes that the labor force is shrinking: http://fortune.com/2016/05/06/april-jobs-report-participation/
8. According to the BLS, the proportion of foreign-born workers is higher than native-born workers: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/forbrn.pdf
9. Obama has increased the national debt more than all previous 43 presidents COMBINED (even Politifact agrees): http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...more-debt-all-/


somebody is lying! maybe all these publications hould get their stories straight and tell us the truth.

furthermore, i stand by my comment about a "nation of idiots" because WE and only WE have propelled two known liars to be positioned for the most powerful position in the free world. WE are to blame. when donald trump wins the republican nomination in one of the largest landslides in us history, it only goes to show how idiotic WE are. the republican's are in very bad shape when not one of them stood a chance against trump. and hilary is a bold faced liar as well. i loved bill, no matter what anybody says, he was a great president. and kenneth starr is now getting a taste of his own medicine covering up rapes at baylor.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/01/16 05:30 PM

a conservative independent??????????????? not buying that one ivy. but you haven't answered my question? why is it a crime to be gay? how is being gay a "defective?' you think people choose to be gay? it's innate
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/02/16 12:56 AM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti


somebody is lying! maybe all these publications hould get their stories straight and tell us the truth.

furthermore, i stand by my comment about a "nation of idiots" because WE and only WE have propelled two known liars to be positioned for the most powerful position in the free world. WE are to blame. when donald trump wins the republican nomination in one of the largest landslides in us history, it only goes to show how idiotic WE are. the republican's are in very bad shape when not one of them stood a chance against trump. and hilary is a bold faced liar as well. i loved bill, no matter what anybody says, he was a great president. and kenneth starr is now getting a taste of his own medicine covering up rapes at baylor.


Don't count us among the "WE," Dino, because neither you nor I voted for them! LOL (I know you meant "we" as a country, but if you add up the Republican primary votes until Cruz and Kasich got out, more people voted for candidates other than Trump than for him; he just happened to get more votes than the other candidates.) If Rand Paul would have won I'd even become a Republican, but this election cycle is dominated by angry voters who like angry candidates like Trump and Sanders.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Bill Clinton. He was as corrupt and hypocritical and Hillary. Democrats circled the wagons around him when he impeached, mostly without even bothering to look at the charges. It was primarily because he defended liberal social policies like abortion, which is why one New York Times opinion writer said she'd give him a blowjob for holding his ground on abortion. They didn't care about his corruption. They gave him all the credit for a successful economy on his second term although it was a result of him working with House Republicans against many in his own party. Clinton moderated his economic policies, including "workfare," to meet with the GOP in the middle.

Meanwhile, today's Hillary supporters say they'll still vote for her even if she's indicted, just like Washington DC mayor Marion Berry was re-elected after being convicted and sent to prison. On the GOP side, I hear Trump supporters excusing his flaws too similar to Democrats. I don't think such a thing would happen with any other Republican.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/02/16 12:18 PM

How did you like Bill Clinton during first four years in office?
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/02/16 02:36 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague

Also, look at the scum who make up so much of the protesters against Trump. The "Black Lives Matter" scumbags. Your typical socialist anarchist types. The gays, transgenders, and other defectives. Illegal immigrants who have no desire to assimilate. Just going against what people like them want means you're probably doing something right.



LOL. What the hell. What are you so scared of, Ivy? Relax. Go outside. There are other kinds of people out there. They won't bite you.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/02/16 02:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti


somebody is lying! maybe all these publications hould get their stories straight and tell us the truth.

furthermore, i stand by my comment about a "nation of idiots" because WE and only WE have propelled two known liars to be positioned for the most powerful position in the free world. WE are to blame. when donald trump wins the republican nomination in one of the largest landslides in us history, it only goes to show how idiotic WE are. the republican's are in very bad shape when not one of them stood a chance against trump. and hilary is a bold faced liar as well. i loved bill, no matter what anybody says, he was a great president. and kenneth starr is now getting a taste of his own medicine covering up rapes at baylor.


Don't count us among the "WE," Dino, because neither you nor I voted for them! LOL (I know you meant "we" as a country, but if you add up the Republican primary votes until Cruz and Kasich got out, more people voted for candidates other than Trump than for him; he just happened to get more votes than the other candidates.) If Rand Paul would have won I'd even become a Republican, but this election cycle is dominated by angry voters who like angry candidates like Trump and Sanders.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Bill Clinton. He was as corrupt and hypocritical and Hillary. Democrats circled the wagons around him when he impeached, mostly without even bothering to look at the charges. It was primarily because he defended liberal social policies like abortion, which is why one New York Times opinion writer said she'd give him a blowjob for holding his ground on abortion. They didn't care about his corruption. They gave him all the credit for a successful economy on his second term although it was a result of him working with House Republicans against many in his own party. Clinton moderated his economic policies, including "workfare," to meet with the GOP in the middle.

Meanwhile, today's Hillary supporters say they'll still vote for her even if she's indicted, just like Washington DC mayor Marion Berry was re-elected after being convicted and sent to prison. On the GOP side, I hear Trump supporters excusing his flaws too similar to Democrats. I don't think such a thing would happen with any other Republican.


We will agree to disagree. however, you can't deny that Bill Clinton was "willing" to even work with republicans. ive always said that a good politician's biggest asset is 'compromise' and that means going against your own party to accomplish a better result. Obama is not willing to compromise but Clinton was. and Clinton continued his relationship with republicans while out of office. the fact is that while somebody may be part of the democratic party, it doesnt mean they are 100% behind every belief that the extreme liberals have. im a democrat but have voted republican on several occasions. whether Clinton was forced to work with republicans or not, he at least compromised for a better result. we can critique every US president and find something wrong, however, some of these presidents are beholden to groups and policies that backed their elections. W pardoned the CEO of Enron who should have been doing 100 years in the can but Enron was also one of the largest donors to his presidential campaign and a Texas based company. to quote Junior Soprano, "what's the point of attaining power if you can't help your friends." its been going on for 100 years and it will continue to go on for another 100 years.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/02/16 02:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
How did you like Bill Clinton during first four years in office?


i loved Bill Clinton and will continue to believe that he was one of the greatest presidents in modern day history. did i agree with everything he did or said? NO. but thats every president. i voted for W, twice. did i agree with everything he did or said? NO. Obama is an unusual case as i dont like or agree with his politics and i believe we should ship those fucking refugees from Iraq back there to be dealt with. he is the most progressive president in US history but not everything he believes in or does is bad. i was not ready for such a progressive president but he has done 'some' good. do i believe he took office to detroy America? thats fucking ludicrous as i don't believe anybody takes that job to ruin a nation. do i beleive he is not a US citizen? NO. more bullshit manufactured by republican haters. do i believe that many members of congress stonewalled him because he was black? YES. in fact, i have a close family friend who is a member of congress and he painted me a pretty good picture of how some view him and things that were said about him.

COMPROMISE. its the only way to move forward. it happens in business, education, religion etc...why not in politics?
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/02/16 02:59 PM

Plenty of people who know Clinton was killed to cover up his dirty dealings and there plenty women he raped as well so he was a blackmail puppet like must of them no real power just a front smile
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/02/16 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: rickydelta
Plenty of people who know Clinton was killed to cover up his dirty dealings and there plenty women he raped as well so he was a blackmail puppet like must of them no real power just a front smile


and your source is? Rape? give me a fucking break. that was about as stupid a comment as ive ever heard.
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/02/16 07:34 PM

I am far from stupid my source are many but if you like to see some go on youtube and watch the clinton chronicles or watch alex jones info on your buddy clinton smile
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/02/16 07:55 PM

Mentioning Alex Jones in a serious manner belies the 'I am far from stupid'.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/02/16 10:16 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
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We will agree to disagree. however, you can't deny that Bill Clinton was "willing" to even work with republicans. ive always said that a good politician's biggest asset is 'compromise' and that means going against your own party to accomplish a better result. Obama is not willing to compromise but Clinton was. and Clinton continued his relationship with republicans while out of office. the fact is that while somebody may be part of the democratic party, it doesnt mean they are 100% behind every belief that the extreme liberals have. im a democrat but have voted republican on several occasions. whether Clinton was forced to work with republicans or not, he at least compromised for a better result. we can critique every US president and find something wrong, however, some of these presidents are beholden to groups and policies that backed their elections. W pardoned the CEO of Enron who should have been doing 100 years in the can but Enron was also one of the largest donors to his presidential campaign and a Texas based company. to quote Junior Soprano, "what's the point of attaining power if you can't help your friends." its been going on for 100 years and it will continue to go on for another 100 years.


One of the points I made is that when Clinton cooperated and reached across the aisle the whole country benefited. So we absolutely agree on that. He could have been hardcore partisan ideologue like Obama and only work with his own party (and sometimes even excluding them), but he decided it was in the best interest of the country to compromise. So I give him points for that.

I also agree with you that no president intends to destroy the country, including Obama. That sort of evil motivation theory comes from tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy types. But Obama does have a particular far-left ideology that he believes is good for the country and his opponents don't. I can't address the claim that there are members of Congress who are against him for just racial reasons. I know that many times it is asserted that disagreement with Obama is only because of his race, and I think more often than not it is far-left tin-foil hat types that believe this. Criticism comes with the territory, and sometimes it's below-the-belt criticism.

Not sure who you mean about Bush pardoning the Enron CEO, because he didn't pardon Jeff Skelling. He's in prison right now and isn't scheduled for release until 2019. On the other hand, Clinton pardoned Marc Rich. Even Jimmy Carter said that Clinton only pardoned him because he gave him large gifts, and Carter called it "disgraceful."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Skilling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

Clinton also commuted the sentences of Puerto Rican FALN terrorists, ostensibly to help Hillary's chances of getting elected senator in New York. Clinton pardoned Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory, allegedly as part of a quid pro quo scheme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 12:55 AM

I am a alex jones fan lol 😊
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 08:27 AM

I never even heard of this guy. But I have heard of the young Turks that guy is an idiot who wears cheap suits. You can trust anyone who wears a cheap suit.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 10:31 AM

Alex Jones is somewhat of a conspiracy theorist and kind of a nut that being said I like Infowars. He has good points sometimes and sometimes he is a little wacky
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 11:23 AM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
Alex Jones is somewhat of a conspiracy theorist and kind of a nut that being said I like Infowars. He has good points sometimes and sometimes he is a little wacky


"somewhat of a conspiracy theorist"?
"kind of a nut"?

There are two understatements. lol
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 12:41 PM

"somewhat of a conspiracy theorist"

yes. the way ted bundy was somewhat of a bad date. wink
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1


First, the reality about Bill Clinton:
1. The Clinton economy did not start to improve until he started working with Congressional Republicans in his famous "triangulation." The Republican Congress passed tax cuts earlier that year and then the economy started to improve. Prior to that the Clinton economy was not doing well.
2. When Clinton left office he left W a recession, called the "Clinton recession." This has been so underreported that few even know about this. http://dailysignal.com/2012/09/07/two-huge-flaws-in-the-legend-of-the-clinton-economy/
3. Obviously W got us into the Iraq War, but so did Hillary Clinton. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/
4. "W's disaster" wasn't entirely of his own making. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars (mostly) go to him, but the housing and credit crises mostly go to Bill Clinton when he changed the housing laws and regulations: http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/14/clintons-legacy-the-financial-and-housin; https://cei.org/blog/clinton-pressure-promote-affordable-housing-led-mortgage-meltdown; there were other contributors, but it was the Clinton administration that was the initial cause and the catalyst for what followed, and it was the housing crisis that led to the credit crisis and the subsequent bailouts.
On Obama and the economy, your citations are easily challenged:
1. Under Obama we have the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303816504577311470997904292
2. The number of "breadwinner jobs" is LOWER than it was at the end of the W administration: http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/ba...8-million-jobs/
3. Meanwhile, there has been an increase in part-time jobs and a decrease in full-time jobs (and full-time has been redefined from 40 hours a week to 30). Mainstream media sources have been slow to admit this: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/...time-employment
4. In 2012 even factcheck.org noted that Obama plays "sleight-of-hand" with economic statistics: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-economic-sleight-of-hand/
5. Providing context shows that the economy has actually been dropping jobs or at least increasing only marginally at best: http://www.investors.com/politics/commen...ant-you-to-see/
6. The number of discouraged workers, people classified as giving up on looking for work, has grown. A report from 2015 puts it at 40%: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/20/40-percent-of-unemployed-have-quit-looking-for-jobs.html
7. Even left-wing Chris Matthews recognizes that the labor force is shrinking: http://fortune.com/2016/05/06/april-jobs-report-participation/
8. According to the BLS, the proportion of foreign-born workers is higher than native-born workers: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/forbrn.pdf
9. Obama has increased the national debt more than all previous 43 presidents COMBINED (even Politifact agrees): http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...more-debt-all-/


I have to attempt to correct some misinformation stated above.

At point 1, you give credit to Clinton and Republicans working together to pass a tax cut which supposedly spurred an economic revival. That is called supply side economics and that is not how it was done. What happened is Clinton/Gore implemented DEMAND SIDE ECONOMICS. They opted to spur the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates on bonds by balancing the budget. Allow me to explain...

When the national budget is in the red, the federal government must borrow money to make up the difference, to pay their bills for that year. The money borrowed then goes into a pile of debt called the national debt. National deficit, and national debt. Two different things.

In order to raise the money needed, when the budget is in the red, the government uses the Federal Reserve's Open Market Operations to raise US bond interest rates so that the bonds become an attractive investment. US Bond sales raise the money needed. US Bonds that pay higher interest rates are more attractive to investors and "crowd out" the private sector corporate bond market...the nation taking precedence over the individual corporation.

When interest rates go up on bonds, they go up on almost everything else that is debt issued by banks: credit cards, car loans, mortages, student loans, personal loans, intrabank loans, all the interest rates rise. When interest rates go up, it's harder to borrow money...the economy slows down. Tight money policy.

If you balance the budget, you can lower the interest rates on bonds...and on everything else, because you no longer need to raise money through bond sales to pay the government's bills. Money across the board becomes cheaper to rent, and because money begins to exist the moment it is borrowed...the money supply increases. Individuals and businesses all begin to borrow more money, economic expansion takes place. Businesses and Corporations use borrowed money to expand. Employment goes up. Unemployment goes down, IE Demand Side Economics.

Clinton/Gore decided to implement all of this by balancing the budget through Congress. Every single Republican voted against balancing the budget in the Senate. The vote was 50/50, Dem versus Rep. Albert Gore as the President of the Senate became the tie breaking vote. The rest is history. The economy was set free, and the stock market became what was known at the time as a "Super Bull". It just kept going up. Many people became millionaires under Clinton/Gore. I live in New York City. I remember very vividly, the National Debt Clock in Times Square literally had a sheet thrown over it. They stopped the clock. We had surpluses. It was surreal.

That's what actually happened, and it's not open to debate or controversy.

On point number 3, that Hillary also got us into Iraq. Hillary was a member of Congress at the time, and she like many in Congress voted to give W conditional authorization to attack Iraq with the precondition that the weapons inspectors be allowed to finish their inspection. You see, this is why the founders put the power to declare war under the authority of Congress....because more heads are often smarter than one. What does W do? He pulls Hans Blix and the rest of the inspectors out and attacks. That is what one single dummy is capable of. Total disaster.

There are a lot of half truths in your other points Faithful, that I won't bother to tussle with. I just wanted to touch on the points that were 180 degrees from the truth.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 05:01 PM

thank you for the explanation and clarification alfa romeo.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
thank you for the explanation and clarification alfa romeo.


You're very welcome. Most of the time the media never took the time to explain it because it would've been like having to give the public a crash course in economics. I don't think the media even respects the public enough to explain such things. The problem with that is the lack of an explanation allowed others to come in and attempt to rewrite history.

The million dollar question is WHY did the Republican Congress want to keep the United States in debt and wipe out the future surpluses. The only answer I can come up with is they wanted to dry up the discretionary income of the United States in the hopes of starving off social programs and social welfare.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 07:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Most of the time the media never took the time to explain it because it would've been like having to give the public a crash course in economics. I don't think the media even respects the public enough to explain such things. The problem with that is the lack of an explanation allowed others to come in and attempt to rewrite history.

The million dollar question is WHY did the Republican Congress want to keep the United States in debt and wipe out the future surpluses. The only answer I can come up with is they wanted to dry up the discretionary income of the United States in the hopes of starving off social programs and social welfare.


Alfa Romeo, that was just a straw man argument. Let me explain:

First, demand-side economics does NOT mean balancing the budget. A president can be either a supply-sider or a demand-sider and balance the budget. If it is possible to do, all presidents should have a balanced budget.

Second, demand-side economics, as commonly understood, is a synonym for Keynesian economic theory, the theory propounded by British economist John Maynard Keynes. He proposed increased government spending, discouraged private business investment and encouraged public spending on consumer goods. Yes, Bill Clinton was a Keynesian, but he could have been a Monetarist or an Austrian and still balanced the budget. Rand Paul, a near-libertarian who leans to Austrian economics would have also balanced the budget.

Third, the Congressional GOP didn't vote for Clinton's first budget not because they didn't want it balanced, but because they disagreed with his priorities, what he chose to spend money on and what he chose not to. So that was a misattribution of motives and another straw man.

Fourth, sometimes Keynesianism works and other times it does not. It can create inflation and decrease growth.

Fifth, in your follow-up post you repeat your straw man fallacy by asking "WHY did the Republican Congress want to keep the United States in debt and wipe out future surpluses"? It assumes that was their intention rather than a different one, such as increased military spending for national defense. Your own answer of "they wanted to dry up discretionary income of the United States in hopes of starving off social programs and social welfare." This is another fallacy called Poisoning the Well and it's almost an Argumentum ad Hitlerum. Why not just call them all Nazis?
If you were to state that you disagree with GOP priorities that would have been fairer and more accurate in that it doesn't twist their motives. You don't win arguments by misstating the motives of your political opponents, you also lose all credibility.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 09:13 PM

Maybe this country will get its shit together. When I listen to Trump speak, I can relate to what he's saying. When I hear Hilary and Bernie speak, I become dumbfounded to why people are cheering. "Free, free, free", is why they cheer. Nothing is free. There are too many college graduates with honors that dont know how to perform an oil change. We need to create a workforce of skilled laborers. Nowadays you hear people constantly complain. Nobody seems to be proud of this country. It's a fucking shame. This country was based on the premise of work hard and be rewarded. Today's society is entitled for some reason.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 09:13 PM

Maybe this country will get its shit together. When I listen to Trump speak, I can relate to what he's saying. When I hear Hilary and Bernie speak, I become dumbfounded to why people are cheering. "Free, free, free", is why they cheer. Nothing is free. There are too many college graduates with honors that dont know how to perform an oil change. We need to create a workforce of skilled laborers. Nowadays you hear people constantly complain. Nobody seems to be proud of this country. It's a fucking shame. This country was based on the premise of work hard and be rewarded. Today's society is entitled for some reason.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/03/16 11:57 PM

Job growth for this month was at and all time low 30 thousand that is nothing. Yet unemployment is at an all time low 4.7 because they are no longer looking for work, Obama and Hillary supporters thinks that's great.

Kids graduating college are not going to find jobs under Hillary.

My wife's old law firm discontinued two departments.

On another note I don't play golf. I wonder people who do what do you think about that pga tournament moving from thrumps doral to Mexico.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/04/16 04:34 AM

Relax Faithful, it's just "the internets". No one was attacking you personally. The economy is way bigger than you.

Let me try to answer some of your quotations below:

Quote:
First, demand-side economics does NOT mean balancing the budget. A president can be either a supply-sider or a demand-sider and balance the budget. If it is possible to do, all presidents should have a balanced budget.


At the end of the day, balancing the budget is what is best for the country and it's citizens. You either want to balance it or you don't. Clinton/Gore IE Yale/Harvard gotherdone. The Reps were against it, demand and supply side economics notwithstanding, for reasons that only they fully understood...or cared about.

Quote:
Second, demand-side economics, as commonly understood, is a synonym for Keynesian economic theory, the theory propounded by British economist John Maynard Keynes. He proposed increased government spending, discouraged private business investment and encouraged public spending on consumer goods. Yes, Bill Clinton was a Keynesian, but he could have been a Monetarist or an Austrian and still balanced the budget. Rand Paul, a near-libertarian who leans to Austrian economics would have also balanced the budget.


Coulda Shoulda Woulda. Bottom line, you either balance the budget or you don't. Bottom line, Al Gore had to break the tie in the Senate and push the cry babies aside so that everyone else could move on. It's as simple as that.

Quote:
Third, the Congressional GOP didn't vote for Clinton's first budget not because they didn't want it balanced, but because they disagreed with his priorities, what he chose to spend money on and what he chose not to. So that was a misattribution of motives and another straw man.


Not at all, you just bolstered my argument and theory as to why the Reps didn't want a balanced budget. They would have rather to push the country a few steps closer to insolvency....just to win a short term battle on spending priorities...for that fiscal year. Pathetic!

Quote:
Fourth, sometimes Keynesianism works and other times it does not. It can create inflation and decrease growth.


That's why economics is called "the dismal science". You just can't ever seem to alleviate poverty, can you? Keynesianism works within the confines of capitalism, and capitalism is imperfect. So there you go.


Quote:
Fifth, in your follow-up post you repeat your straw man fallacy by asking "WHY did the Republican Congress want to keep the United States in debt and wipe out future surpluses"? It assumes that was their intention rather than a different one, such as increased military spending for national defense. Your own answer of "they wanted to dry up discretionary income of the United States in hopes of starving off social programs and social welfare." This is another fallacy called Poisoning the Well and it's almost an Argumentum ad Hitlerum. Why not just call them all Nazis?


There's a law someone made up, called Godwin's Law. That law states that the longer an internet conversation lasts, the greater the probability that someone will compare something to Hitler and/or the Nazis. Thanks for just about proving that right. But back to the topic at hand, again, your earlier comment shows that you actually agreed with me, that Reps had their own priorities and pitiful excuses for being against balancing the budget...and pushing the country a few steps closer to financial insolvency...thus endangering the national security of the United States...by threating the financial foundation of our military...which is supreme worldwide. America's military supremacy does not only rest on scientific innovation. It rests on money, lots and lots of money.


Quote:
If you were to state that you disagree with GOP priorities that would have been fairer and more accurate in that it doesn't twist their motives. You don't win arguments by misstating the motives of your political opponents, you also lose all credibility.


My wording clearly showed that I was speculating on the motives of the Reps, not that I knew it for sure. Regardless, there is no excuse worthy of even mentioning as to why someone would want to endanger the national security of the United States, and of the men women and children who reside in it, by pushing the country a few steps closer to financial collapse.

This is just the internets, calm down. Obviously I had enough credibility for you to respond. Just enjoy the public discussion and don't take this stuff so seriously.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/05/16 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Relax Faithful, it's just "the internets". No one was attacking you personally. The economy is way bigger than you.

This is just the internets, calm down. Obviously I had enough credibility for you to respond. Just enjoy the public discussion and don't take this stuff so seriously.


Alfa, if I was anymore relaxed I'd be sleeping. I never said that anyone was attacking me personally, but if it makes you feel better to put that out there, be my guest. Responding to what you wrote has nothing to do whether or not you have credibility. So to make you feel even better, I won't respond to to your reply and you can take it that none of your points had any credibility. But I do respond to a lot of things that don't have credibility because there's a need to correct the record. When I wrote a piece debunking "The Last Testament of Lucky Luciano" it wasn't because I thought it was credible, but because it was misleading people who didn't know any better. That's what I did in this case.

BTW, Internets? I didn't know that there was more than one internet.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/05/16 08:17 AM

Getting back to Thrump at his last rally. The anarkists decided to try an intimate people comming out of his rally's. Like hitting them from behind. But evidently they can't afford to hire real gang bangers. They use punk Latinos kids hit women in the face with eggs and guys from behind.

Then they think they can burn small American flags while holding Mexican flags. They can't even afford to burn full size American flags?

It could make a normal person start to see Latinos in an unfair way because of seeing shit like this.

Then Democrates say let's not build walls. Mexicans say come into Mexico illegally you wind up in a Mexican prison maybe we should do that also. Commit a crime here get locked up for ten years.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/05/16 10:28 AM

Quote:
BTW, Internets? I didn't know that there was more than one internet.


I was making fun of one of your heroes, Bush. That's called using a Bushism. Saying internets was how he used to talk. He probably still talks like that. Sad isn't it?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/05/16 11:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Quote:
BTW, Internets? I didn't know that there was more than one internet.


I was making fun of one of your heroes, Bush. That's called using a Bushism. Saying internets was how he used to talk. He probably still talks like that. Sad isn't it?


Another straw man? The fallacies just keep on coming. Please find the source that shows Bush is one of my heroes (beside your imagination, of course). Since this is news to me I'd really love to find out.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/06/16 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Getting back to Thrump at his last rally. The anarkists decided to try an intimate people comming out of his rally's. Like hitting them from behind. But evidently they can't afford to hire real gang bangers. They use punk Latinos kids hit women in the face with eggs and guys from behind.

Then they think they can burn small American flags while holding Mexican flags. They can't even afford to burn full size American flags?

It could make a normal person start to see Latinos in an unfair way because of seeing shit like this.

Then Democrates say let's not build walls. Mexicans say come into Mexico illegally you wind up in a Mexican prison maybe we should do that also. Commit a crime here get locked up for ten years.


Makes me angry. I could barely bare to watch these people act like complete morons and savages.

What an embarrassment to Mexican people.

They're so stupid that they don't even realize how much they're helping Trump.
Posted By: Crash

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/06/16 09:39 PM

They are total trash and pollute the beautiful state of california.
Hopefully Trump wins which i am confiident he will.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/07/16 03:07 AM

Thrump talks to much. He should stay on the job issue. Mexican and blacks are fucked more on not being able to get work then anybody.

I still say people want to work. Put them in trade schools then let the private sector help pay for it and with placement.

Look at Germany tradesmen is big there. It should be big here. Have a trade you can work anywhere. You have work and you have freedom.

Put people on welfair ethnic people would rather be self employed.

That is what Thrump should talk about and nothing else.

You think we want to buy things from other countries I don't.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/09/16 07:23 AM

Typical scumbag liberals and thugs.

Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/09/16 07:36 AM

"Democrats: The only group of people that could simultaneously be excited about their first female nominee for president while claiming that gender is a meaningless social construct that ought to be rejected as a relic of history" - Andy Alexander
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/09/16 01:53 PM

Very ugly video. I've never seen a presidential contest in the U.S. like this one where those who disagree attempt to physically intimidate and crush one another. In a contest between Hillary and/or Bernie versus Trump, I could see myself voting Trump to get some of these lawless people out of the country. The other side is trying to bully those who have the right to vote, and it's not right.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/09/16 03:48 PM

If Hillary is elected and the economy tanks. If she manages to put an end to private gun owner ship like it is in Australia she likes that system which is no private citizens can own gun. No borders at all. Raise taxes even on the lower middle class and tell you how to act and think.

I can see a real civil war in the United States by the year 2024. It won't be pretty.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/09/16 07:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Very ugly video. I've never seen a presidential contest in the U.S. like this one where those who disagree attempt to physically intimidate and crush one another. In a contest between Hillary and/or Bernie versus Trump, I could see myself voting Trump to get some of these lawless people out of the country. The other side is trying to bully those who have the right to vote, and it's not right.


Still waiting for you to show me where I wrote that Bush is one of my "heroes."

Aside from that, you are right in your point that violence turns people off and that these anti-Trump rioters who physically attack Trump supporters and destroy property are going to make more people vote for him.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/10/16 01:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
If Hillary is elected and the economy tanks. If she manages to put an end to private gun owner ship like it is in Australia she likes that system which is no private citizens can own gun. No borders at all. Raise taxes even on the lower middle class and tell you how to act and think.

I can see a real civil war in the United States by the year 2024. It won't be pretty.


All HIllary wants is revenge against Bill Clinton and men in general. She will do nothing to benefit half the United States, and that's the males in the country.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/10/16 01:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Still waiting for you to show me where I wrote that Bush is one of my "heroes."


It was a joke
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/10/16 09:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Still waiting for you to show me where I wrote that Bush is one of my "heroes."


It was a joke


Ok, claiming that I believe something when I really don't is a joke. Got it.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/11/16 04:05 AM

I love how we live in a time where it is acceptable for our Presidential candidates to take shots at each other on Twitter.

Just a funny thing i saw tday


Also this one:

Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/11/16 06:26 AM

Obama has been doing it for 8 years on his bully pulpit.

Why is it wrong to call a politician a liar when he clearly has lied. They are supposed to be better then we are?

Obama lied to become president. He said he will bring people together has he?
Posted By: flattax

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/12/16 12:58 AM

No he hasn't brought people together. From the get go he got on the Police, then Black Lives Matter emerged on his watch. Divide and conquer must be his motto but I think everyone sees through it all now....especially how he sold Obamacare as keeping your doctor and reduction on your premiums. What a crock!
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/12/16 02:56 AM

The OP asked a question. What if Trump becomes president.

Trump wants to build a wall, a wall along the US/Mexico border.

Now that wall is meant to control the flow of illegal aliens into the United States. But we here on the GangsterBB know that it will also interfere with the flow of narcotics up from Mexico.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/22/16 07:44 PM

alfa, trump is so confusing that the fact is that if by chance he is elected, NO ONE knows what he will do, if he gains the presidency,,,,,,,, all bets are off, we will be at his mercy.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/23/16 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
alfa, trump is so confusing that the fact is that if by chance he is elected, NO ONE knows what he will do, if he gains the presidency,,,,,,,, all bets are off, we will be at his mercy.


But we do know what Hillary will do. Again, while neither is ideal, I'll take the unknown about Trump over that any day.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/23/16 06:49 PM

If Trump is elected I don't know if he'll build a wall or a fence or what. He's already changed positions on different issues, so who knows what promises he'll keep? He's already been shown to have lied on some of his claims. Hillary and Trump are both liars, the difference is that she lied in an official capacity and violated the Espionage Act, so technically is not allowed to run. She should have already been indicted, but by the time the FBI investigation is finished she'll already be President. Neither is good for the country. What a sad state.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/24/16 02:13 AM

If you don't like GOP or Clinton vote Gary Johnson, he won't win but promote the idea that you are tired of thr two party system and a politician who does not represent you
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/24/16 10:24 PM

If he wins he'll turn the White House grounds into another Inverness.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/24/16 10:52 PM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
If you don't like GOP or Clinton vote Gary Johnson, he won't win but promote the idea that you are tired of thr two party system and a politician who does not represent you


I watched Gary Johnson debate and in some interviews. He's no libertarian. He talks just like a Democrat.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/24/16 11:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
If you don't like GOP or Clinton vote Gary Johnson, he won't win but promote the idea that you are tired of thr two party system and a politician who does not represent you


I watched Gary Johnson debate and in some interviews. He's no libertarian. He talks just like a Democrat.


Yeah Gary Johnson fails to make a passionate case for libertarianism..

There seems to be no philosophical understanding or interest in libertarianism when he speaks. seems like a nice guy but super hard to get excited about his campaign.
Posted By: fergie

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/24/16 11:42 PM

I think Trump is slightly more liberal than what he seems...he could well just be pandering to his base trash vote because he knows the most of them are completely uneducated and will just move and wont care when he gets voted in anyway.

Its difficult to believe what he says - just one policy example, he says hes going to round up 11million illegals and send them back to Mexico? No one seems to care about the implications of this...impractical and unethical...your gardener gets a knock at the door in the middle of the night by the gestapo and sent back to mexico? What about his naturalised kids? And thisll be done by the hundreds of thousands? Hes going to devote how much law enforcement resources to this when there is REAL terrorism going on?

Youve got a difficult choice...Hillary isnt a polished speaker and tends to screech (and then comes across as crazy) but at least you know she'll be a typical, predicable politician and be reasonable centerist about foreign policy, she won't get the country into a real, real mess- she knows the game and at least seems capable of some comprimise. I still dont trust her in any way....every sentence has a focus group soundbite in it. On the other hand, Trump could be the most disasterous president ever...it seems he can get away with saying more and more crazy things and just get away with it - whilst its refreshing, im not convinced somebody who still seems to think hes in a reality tv show/wwf ring is what you need to run the country, and argueably, civilisation. He does quite obviously pretend to be religious though (which any candidate has to these days) and religious people love it, they know he pretends, but whilst the majority of religious people know it, it I suppose they like the acknowledgement - its sad thousands will still vote for him knowing that though. He could well become the first athiest president of America. He is just winging it on every level and it is obvious.

"trust me, its going to be amazing"
Posted By: fergie

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/24/16 11:43 PM

Base trash vote will "move on" I meant. Apologies
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/24/16 11:55 PM

Vote for Jill Stein instead.

No doubt he may not be perfect, seems to be the best the party can present at this time. Getting more votes for Libertarian (which I lean towards with but don't 100% agree with) will help it in the future, since the we haven't seen many changes from either party that are usually promised. Maybe a little idealistic but perhaps if a Libertarian or Green party where elected it wouldn't be the same old stuff.

"he won't win but promote the idea that you are tired of thr two party system" was my main point, we should not have to pick between the lesser of two evils
Posted By: fergie

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/25/16 12:10 AM

Dude...that sounds similar to the UK's liberal democrat party...basically the 3rd most popular party in the uk (3rd essentially means last). A neutered dog has more chance being a champion stud than they have of changing anything whatsoever. The Greens appeal to our emotional side but, again, Its like a wasted vote...Im not about to start eating mung beans and cover my roof in turf to save on heating bills
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/25/16 01:34 AM

Well Fergie living in my state voting anything other than Hilary would be a waste.

I don't think the Green Party would make laws about you diet or what you do to your roof but I guess I get what you are saying.

You could use insulation on your hot water distribution pipes if you are looking for ways to save money, pretty easily down did it for my parents
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/25/16 01:50 AM

fergie, from what I get on Trump's versus Hillary's foreign policy, I think Trump may actually be better. Trump talks tough on China, but I think that's one of his negotiating tools. Start out from a hard place and negotiate down to an agreeable one. Trump was also against the Iraq war, invading Syria and bombing Libya. Hillary was for all of those. Hillary also supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt while Trump supported the good guy, President Sisi. Trump is also friendlier to Russia, and I think Russia could be a good ally in fighting ISIS and Al Qaeda, plus better relations with Russia could ease tensions with China, Iran and even North Korea. Hillary, on the other hand, wants to amp up things with Russia. So if anyone will entangle us in an unwanted war, it will be Hillary. She's already done it.
Posted By: fergie

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/25/16 02:23 AM

Faithful, I think the real issue is that Trump flip flops and changes his mind so much, not in a political way, but in a naive stupid way..."I love the poor" etc Ive heard him say....it just seems like his head isn't really with it when it comes to political machines. There is slow, gradual processes of changing that, but he doesn't seem to offer much in the way of realistic goals, he's just riding a wave of what seems like an inevitable backlash how things have been going...I dislike both of them, Clinton/Trump and I hate the choice you guys have to make.

A billionaire isn't necessarily qualified to run an economy.

Ive got to say, if it were me voting, Id probably still vote Trump....just to rock the establishment. I hate Clinton and the "dynasty" creation shit...the Kennedy's deserved that moniker, but now the fucking Kardashians apparently do as well...
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/25/16 02:36 AM

Nobody is qualified to run an economy. The idea that some guy in a suit can run an economy is so crazy.
Posted By: fergie

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/25/16 02:57 AM

Trump shouts that he is qualified simply because you need to believe he's a billionaire businessman. I agree with you though SoCal, nobody is qualified, you just need to weigh up the facts AND also listen to you're own opinion
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/25/16 06:02 AM

Originally Posted By: fergie
Faithful, I think the real issue is that Trump flip flops and changes his mind so much, not in a political way, but in a naive stupid way..."I love the poor" etc Ive heard him say....it just seems like his head isn't really with it when it comes to political machines. There is slow, gradual processes of changing that, but he doesn't seem to offer much in the way of realistic goals, he's just riding a wave of what seems like an inevitable backlash how things have been going...I dislike both of them, Clinton/Trump and I hate the choice you guys have to make.

A billionaire isn't necessarily qualified to run an economy.

Ive got to say, if it were me voting, Id probably still vote Trump....just to rock the establishment. I hate Clinton and the "dynasty" creation shit...the Kennedy's deserved that moniker, but now the fucking Kardashians apparently do as well...


Fergie, we agree a second time! A new record! LOL
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/25/16 07:27 PM

Once again, a big issue is the Supreme Court. It's very possible the next president could appoint three new justices. If Hillary is elected, the Court will be lost to liberal activists for generations. As if Obama hasn't already done enough damage with his ridiculous appointments.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/25/16 09:49 PM

Conservative columnist George Will said Friday that he's leaving the GOP over Donald Trump's rise to becoming the party's standard bearer.

Will suggested that a Democratic victory in the presidential election in November would be preferable to Trump winning the White House.

"Make sure he loses," Will told PJ Media, a conservative blog. "Grit their teeth for four years and win the White House."

He said he changed his voter registration from "Republican" to "unaffiliated."
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/25/16 09:55 PM

What I hate about trump is he falls into the same trap all the time. They asks him trick questions to report his answers. Instead of just saying that a hypothetical question that could never happen. I don't answer those ask about the economy. But no he answers it and they use it against him. But I will still vote for him.

Better then voting for the women with the fat back. You could grab the fat on her back and fuck it. It's better then having to look at her face while fucking her. No wonder bill always cheated on her.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/25/16 10:39 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Conservative columnist George Will said Friday that he's leaving the GOP over Donald Trump's rise to becoming the party's standard bearer.

Will suggested that a Democratic victory in the presidential election in November would be preferable to Trump winning the White House.

"Make sure he loses," Will told PJ Media, a conservative blog. "Grit their teeth for four years and win the White House."

He said he changed his voter registration from "Republican" to "unaffiliated."


Will has lost his mind. Who the hell does he think he's kidding? If Hillary gets elected, she'll be in for 8 years, not 4. This guy is a friggin moron.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/26/16 04:24 PM

Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell declined Sunday to say if Donald Trump, his party's presumptive presidential candidate, is qualified to be president. "Well, look, I think it's no question that he's made a number of mistakes over the last few weeks. I think they're beginning to right the ship. It's a long time until November. And the burden obviously will be on him to convince people that he can handle this job," McConnell said on ABC's This Week.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/27/16 12:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
What I hate about trump is he falls into the same trap all the time. They asks him trick questions to report his answers. Instead of just saying that a hypothetical question that could never happen. I don't answer those ask about the economy. But no he answers it and they use it against him. But I will still vote for him.

Better then voting for the women with the fat back. You could grab the fat on her back and fuck it. It's better then having to look at her face while fucking her. No wonder bill always cheated on her.


wow!
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/27/16 02:44 AM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: Footreads
What I hate about trump is he falls into the same trap all the time. They asks him trick questions to report his answers. Instead of just saying that a hypothetical question that could never happen. I don't answer those ask about the economy. But no he answers it and they use it against him. But I will still vote for him.

Better then voting for the women with the fat back. You could grab the fat on her back and fuck it. It's better then having to look at her face while fucking her. No wonder bill always cheated on her.


wow!


Gets, that's an understatement! LOL
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/27/16 08:09 PM

instead of getting advice from top republicans on how to beat Hillary, trump goes to Scotland promoting his new golf course,

shows you his mind set. if hes elected what assurance do

the people have that he even cares about the country over his business interests....... if something doesn't go his way, what does he do, declare bankruptcy and go home, after all that's his M,O,
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/28/16 02:37 AM

On trump everything he does is business oriented. That is why he has spent very little on his self funded campaign. He has very few bankruptcy's compared to the businesses he has had. Most small business people start one business and if they lose money on it. Never try to start another one again. People started small businesses in the old days to provide jobs for the people in their immediate family. They are still workers.

I think starting a lot of small business is a smart thing. Hire someone who knows them to manage them. They kick up some money to you. They keep the rest so they are happy and you are happy. If you have another bigger business you got some places to wash the money. Plus you invest in things your interested in.

He has broken no laws that I know of. Can Hillary say that? She gets a pass because the President controls the DOJ.

I am more pissed off with the republican aristocracy. They did more to harm trump then the Democrates. They are still doing it. They don't care that voters voted him as the nominee. So now they deserve what they get if fat back gets elected.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/28/16 06:39 AM

Republican party knows Trump is crazy and that the voters made a huge mistake in the primaries. They're throwing hail marys now because it's all they have. Trump wont' even care when Hillary beats him in a landslide. He'll have a new reality tv show premiering around the time Hillary is inaugurated.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/28/16 06:42 AM

My prediction, and you can mark it.

Trump will switch back to being a Democrat after he loses.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/28/16 09:37 AM

I think Romney is the cause of this shit with trump. He had his chance and blew it.

The republicans did not do the will of the people. So the people revolted. They gave Obama everything he wanted when he abused his executive orders power. Because they were a bunch of punks. He threatened to veto and he threatened to shut down the government and blame the republicans. They gave into that bullshit.

Like I said shut the government. Guys like our older friends here are afraid of that the social security guys here the followers are afraid to lose that money for a while because they got nothing else going for themselves.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 06/28/16 11:11 AM

[quote=OakAsFan]My prediction, and you can mark it.

Trump will switch back to being a Democrat after he loses. [/quot

Why not he has to spend money grease the people who can help him do business not those that didn't. Especially here in NY it's dominated by drmocrates/ socialists.

Don't worry the economy such as it is will go right into the toilet before she leaves office.

How much money do you think we can borrow before the dollar crashes. What will you do when that happens. smile
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/08/16 02:18 AM

The new magic number: 28. That’s how many rules panel members anti-Trump forces will need to force a vote on unbinding delegates on the floor of the Republican convention. Donald Trump has already far-surpassed the 1,237 delegates needed to clinch the GOP nomination. But a last-ditch effort to change the rules and let delegates vote their consciences faces a steep uphill climb in Cleveland. The goal? Take a vote on unbinding the delegates on the convention floor. Here’s what would need to happen -- and how likely it is: The Process The slate of temporary rules must first clear the RNC’s standing rules panel and full RNC next Tuesday and Wednesday.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/08/16 03:28 PM

For Donald Trump the Constitution is yuge...and a lot bigger than it actually is.

Trump told House Republicans Thursday he will make sure to protect the Constitution if he becomes president -- including a non-existent Article XII.

The presumptive GOP nominee, who was on Capitol Hill Thursday to charm rank-and-file Republicans and build party unity, told members he would be the "best constitutional president ever," according to Rep. Reid Ribble, R-Wisconsin, a Trump skeptic.

Rep. Mark Sanford, R-South Carolina, said Trump promised to protect several articles of the Constitution -- including "Article XII," even though the Constitution has seven articles.

"It was the normal stream of consciousness that's long on hyperbole and short on facts," Sanford told reporters after the meeting.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin, said the meeting was productive.

“Our members really enjoyed it,” Ryan said. “It’s very clear that he’s working on putting together a strong general election campaign.”

Trump also reportedly told members of Congress golf legend Jack Nicklaus would be attending the Republican National Convention, but Nicklaus' spokesman said that was not accurate.

"Mr. Nicklaus is traveling internationally the next couple weeks, touching down in no fewer than six countries. So I can confidently confirm that the reports are inaccurate and Mr. Nicklaus will not be attending any portion of the RNC," spokesman Scott Tolley said in an email. "[Trump and his campaign staff] have known for quite some time of his travels and prior commitments."
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 09:02 AM

donald trump is not a politcian

he's said numerous inappropriate things about other countries and races

not too mention he doesn't have enough respect from US citizens to be president
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 09:09 AM

If Hillary or Trump wins, we are all LOSERS. Wish we could do over the nominating process without them.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 01:03 PM

Thrump won the republican nomination because people got tired of the republican lying to the voters.

When they won the house. They said they would stop funding Obama care they didn't do that.

Then republicans told more lies. If they got the senate they will stop Obama's policy's and Obama care.

Again they did not do it.

So the republicans got pissed off at their party.

That is why they voted for Trump. So now the republicans are trying to fix what the voters voted for trump. Especially Romney I voted for that prick.

Plus the republicans had done more damage to trump then all the Democrates combined.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 01:05 PM

He still might win because everyone knows Hillary is the mother of all liars.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 01:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
He still might win because everyone knows Hillary is the mother of all liars.



Foots, what I don't understand is how a lot of members of the Republican party hate Trump and do not want to endorse him yet the Democrats are backing an exposed "extremely careless" and proven liar as Hillary. Why not ask her to step down? Bernie or Biden would be a better candidate than her.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 06:09 PM

Well, Trump winning is still a yuuuge "if".

Clinton is ahead in most polls released since FBI director Comey's press conference July 5th, which was supposed to be some sort of big momentum shift, according to Republicans. A slight uptick for Trump, nothing more. Clinton still firmly ahead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 06:53 PM

the donald has a chance to be president because george bush jr fucked up so bad

obama got elected because george bush fucked up so bad

the country is in it's current fucked up state because of george bush jr
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 07:16 PM

How did George fuck up. Was it because they were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Even though people here in NY in the Russian Mafia said their was. The Russians in Iraq took them out just before we attacked and took them to Syria. No US forces checked the Russian trucks or did they?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 07:20 PM

On Obama's great economy my local Sears in Kings plaza is going out of business. My wife went to the city today she told me three restraunts near the theather district where we used to eat are gone. I am sure they all will find new jobs soon. They will not go on relief. Not in Obama's great economy.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 07:23 PM

The FBI is now investigating Hillary for pergery from last year when she said she did nothing wrong with the emails. It's not over.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 08:11 PM

I thought Sears went out of business when my grandparents died. It's amazing there's still a few of them around.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
The FBI is now investigating Hillary for pergery from last year when she said she did nothing wrong with the emails. It's not over.


Guess you didn't watch FBI Director James Comey's testimony. He never said she didn't do anything wrong. She committed gross negligence, which is an imprisonable offense. Comey added an extra element of intent that's not in the law. And Hillary did commit perjury when she testified before Congress. Comey said that himself.

Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 10:37 PM

This justice dept isn't indicting Clinton. Only chance is a new AG appointed by Trump, but it wouldn't matter then because this is all about beating Clinton in the election anyway.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/10/16 11:23 PM

At the FBI Director's senate hearing he said that if the Senate provides a request for them to investigate her lying to them at a previous hearing about the emails that they would open up an investigation. And didn't the Chairman also say you will have a letter by the end of closing day making such a request. You know they did that so the Feds must be investigation her again. Also the Director refused to answer any question about the Clinton foundation. I guess we will just have to see.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 01:20 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
This justice dept isn't indicting Clinton. Only chance is a new AG appointed by Trump, but it wouldn't matter then because this is all about beating Clinton in the election anyway.


For once we agree. As long as Obama is in office, and he decides who's Attorney General, Hillary won't be indicted. Doesn't matter what she's done or will do. They'll run interference for her.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 03:03 AM

And the reason why the GOP would let it go in the event they took the white house back is because its nothing more than a political strategy to them anyway. Well see how much more tax dollars they'll waste trying to take Hillary down.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 03:11 AM

Trying to take Hilary down is never a waste of tax dollars.. Maybe about the only thing worth tax dollars.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 06:18 AM

She's not going to be indicted. Not with this justice dept. There would have to be a party shift in the white house, and by that time it would be a moot point. After all, the investigations against her are politically motivated in the first place. Republicans waste more money on meaningless wars and political witch hunts than Democrats ever could on misused social programs.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 07:27 AM

Negative publicity for a sleazy politician is great. Even if she isn't indicted, she is smeared very good and rightfully comes off as a crooked establishment politician above the law. This is all good. Always good to smear the bad people.

Republicans party is terrrble too, but then again Hilary is pretty pro war herself.

At least Bernie actually stood for something. What does Hilary represent other than the status quo?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 01:53 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
She's not going to be indicted. Not with this justice dept. There would have to be a party shift in the white house, and by that time it would be a moot point. After all, the investigations against her are politically motivated in the first place. Republicans waste more money on meaningless wars and political witch hunts than Democrats ever could on misused social programs.


Will you listen to yourself? You act like Hillary is a saint who's never done anything wrong and is just a victim of a GOP witchhunt. And you wonder why I call you a liberal partisan hack. Even if you don't think she belongs in prison, you can't deny she is unqualified and unworthy for the presidency. Heck, considering just her recent history, she wouldn't even get a security clearance at this point if she was anyone else.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
How did George fuck up. Was it because they were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Even though people here in NY in the Russian Mafia said their was. The Russians in Iraq took them out just before we attacked and took them to Syria. No US forces checked the Russian trucks or did they?



I guess u weren't listening when George Bush admitted lying about the Iraq war and admitted he lied to the American people

Bush fucked up so bad that we have a black president
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Negative publicity for a sleazy politician is great. Even if she isn't indicted, she is smeared very good and rightfully comes off as a crooked establishment politician above the law. This is all good. Always good to smear the bad people.

Republicans party is terrrble too, but then again Hilary is pretty pro war herself.

At least Bernie actually stood for something. What does Hilary represent other than the status quo?


Body armor for Dallas police will have to wait. That money is needed to make another futile attempt at indicting Hillary in hopes that it will hurt her poll numbers. Politics as usual for the party of small government.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 04:51 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: Footreads
How did George fuck up. Was it because they were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Even though people here in NY in the Russian Mafia said their was. The Russians in Iraq took them out just before we attacked and took them to Syria. No US forces checked the Russian trucks or did they?



I guess u weren't listening when George Bush admitted lying about the Iraq war and admitted he lied to the American people

Bush fucked up so bad that we have a black president


lol. I don't know if this is sarcasm or what, but I always thought it was funny too that right after George W. Bush's picture on that poster with all presidents is a black president named Barack Hussein Obama, whose middle name is the same as the last name of a leader we were just at war with. Obama was America's ultimate middle finger to the GOP. It's etched in stone, and it's beautiful.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 04:56 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Negative publicity for a sleazy politician is great. Even if she isn't indicted, she is smeared very good and rightfully comes off as a crooked establishment politician above the law. This is all good. Always good to smear the bad people.

Republicans party is terrrble too, but then again Hilary is pretty pro war herself.

At least Bernie actually stood for something. What does Hilary represent other than the status quo?


Body armor for Dallas police will have to wait. That money is needed to make another futile attempt at indicting Hillary in hopes that it will hurt her poll numbers. Politics as usual for the party of small government.


lol please dude. You're suddenly worried about the tax money when this country is 20 trillion in debt.

What kind of person defends Hilary Clinton?

It's funny how she's supposed to win by default. I still haven't met an actual Hillary supporter in real life. I know people that know people that supposedly support her but still don't know a single person that likes her.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 05:05 PM

Point being, people on the right, that typically care about tax money, don't seem to care about money being wasted on futile attempts at sabotaging a presidential campaign, which is a glaring indication that it never really was about government spending to them in the first place.

My guess is the reason you don't know anyone who likes Hillary Clinton is because you surround yourself with people on the right. She's been consistently ahead in the polls, even after the FBI director's speech, which was supposed to destroy her.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/11/16 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Point being, people on the right, that typically care about tax money, don't seem to care about money being wasted on futile attempts at sabotaging a presidential campaign, which is a glaring indication that it never really was about government spending to them in the first place.

My guess is the reason you don't know anyone who likes Hillary Clinton is because you surround yourself with people on the right. She's been consistently ahead in the polls, even after the FBI director's speech, which was supposed to destroy her.


But it's a terrible point. Obviously the bulk of the tax money is going towards the welfare-warfare state.
In reality the only time tax money is going to good use is when it is used to go after politicians like Clinton. That's worth every cent. I can't even wrap my mind around the mindset of someone that would oppose that.
But I would agree that the republicans are frauds when it comes to believing in small government. Obviously they're not for small government, atleast not the establishment.

And I can assure you I'm not only surrounded by right wing people. I know a good amount of Trump supporters and people that were Bernie Sanders supporters. Probably about an equal amount on each side. Finding Bernie supporters wasn't hard at all. I just haven't met anyone who actually likes Hilary Clinton. I know they're out there somewhere but, it's like a mystery. Who are these people and what the fuck are they thinking?
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/13/16 12:00 AM

And on Sunday, one of the leaders of the anti-Trump movement told a conservative website that she expects there will be a vote on the floor of the Republican National Convention next week that could change the expected outcome. Kendal Unruh, a delegate from Colorado and a member of the convention’s powerful Rules Committee, is pressing the party to allow delegates to “vote their conscience” rather than adhere to the rules that require most of them to vote for a specific candidate based on the results of their state’s primary.

She concedes that she may not have the majority support on the committee needed to make that change in the package of rules that the committee submits to the delegates as a whole. However, she told the conservative website The Daily Signalthat she believes she has enough support on the panel to issue a “minority report” from the Rules Committee including that “conscience clause.”

Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/15/16 01:37 AM

Relentless Donald Trump supporter and conservative media heavyweight Ann Coulter finally has a gripe with the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. In a series of social media posts, the pundit revealed she isn’t thrilled about the rumors that Trump will name Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) as his running mate. In her Facebook post, Coulter slammed Pence for flip-flopping on gay marriage and being soft on immigration. “He’s all in for corporate America bringing in as many guest workers as they please to replace American workers,” she wrote.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/15/16 07:14 PM

There may not be a contested convention, but the Republican National Convention may have a floor fight on its hands, even if efforts to change the rules fail, according to a group pressing for delegates to "vote their conscience" during next week's nationally televised roll call.

Delegates Unbound, a group insisting that delegates may already vote for the candidate of their choice as their party's presidential nominee, has set up shop in downtown Cleveland, just blocks from where those delegates will cast their votes on the floor of the Quicken Loans Arena next week.

In an interview in the group's nerve center, a room scattered with empty coffee cups and doughnut boxes, Dane Waters, the head of the group, told ABC News that even if last-ditch attempts to change the rules fail, the roll call vote on the floor of the GOP convention won't be "some quiet little rodeo."

"These individuals are extremely passionate about the right to vote their conscience," he said. "So I can't imagine that people are going to sit around and not do anything."

Members of Delegates Unbound have been working out of its office for 20 days, trying to educate delegates that if they don't want to vote for Trump, they don't have to. The Republican National Committee disagrees, saying the delegates are bound under the current rules.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/16/16 06:00 AM

Pence doesn't seem like a Trump pick. Then there's reports that Trump was "making phone calls" until midnight last night trying to change it? Are puppet strings showing?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/16/16 09:44 AM

Mom and Daddio were telling you to get off the computer and do your home work so you can get a nice Union job and be just another follower instead of a leader.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/16/16 04:52 PM

Sarah Palin will not be speaking at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, and according to Donald Trump it has nothing to do with her relationship with his campaign. “She was asked,” Trump told the Washington Examiner in an interview Thursday. “It’s a little bit difficult because of where she is. We love Sarah. Little bit difficult because of, you know, it’s a long ways away.”

Tim Tebow will not speak at the Republican National Convention, according to RNC chief spokesman Sean Spicer, who ended speculation that the former football star would talk on behalf of Donald Trump next week in Cleveland.

Tebow was one of a number of sports figures on the list of speakers approved by Trump, the GOP's presumptive presidential nominee. But the former Heisman Trophy winner posted on Facebook on Thursday that reports of his involvement at the RNC are just "a rumor."
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/16/16 04:57 PM

So?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/17/16 02:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Mom and Daddio were telling you to get off the computer and do your home work so you can get a nice Union job and be just another follower instead of a leader.


There's nothing wrong with being a follower if you're following something good.

And, I happen to believe unions are good.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/17/16 02:50 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Sarah Palin will not be speaking at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, and according to Donald Trump it has nothing to do with her relationship with his campaign. “She was asked,” Trump told the Washington Examiner in an interview Thursday. “It’s a little bit difficult because of where she is. We love Sarah. Little bit difficult because of, you know, it’s a long ways away.”

Tim Tebow will not speak at the Republican National Convention, according to RNC chief spokesman Sean Spicer, who ended speculation that the former football star would talk on behalf of Donald Trump next week in Cleveland.

Tebow was one of a number of sports figures on the list of speakers approved by Trump, the GOP's presumptive presidential nominee. But the former Heisman Trophy winner posted on Facebook on Thursday that reports of his involvement at the RNC are just "a rumor."


These were supposed to be their "star" guests, too. lol.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/17/16 11:20 AM

If you really seen unions in action you would not think unions are good.

Now unions ask for things that drive business out of business. Then you know what unions do for their employees when that happens? Nothing they leave the workers without work.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/17/16 11:36 AM

Hey my ex son in law was a NYC Cop. My daughter had a good job here in NYC. Then he trains to be an airport traffic controller another Union job pays more then double what a cop makes.

He trains in jersey and gets it. Now they are both working so they buy a house in NJ. Well he can't do the job Union or no Union they fired him. Now they can't afford the house. So they sell for what they paid for it just before the bubble burst. So he becomes a cop again in NYC.

Anyone who things it cool to be a follower is a sheep. That people can lead and will never do well in life. The shepards do well.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/17/16 02:34 PM

I refuse to join the IBEW, some my union buddies had no work this winter me I was between to two daily big job sites an assisted living facility and a 145 unit complex, I would rather work in the cold than collect unemployment
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/17/16 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Hey my ex son in law was a NYC Cop. My daughter had a good job here in NYC. Then he trains to be an airport traffic controller another Union job pays more then double what a cop makes.

He trains in jersey and gets it. Now they are both working so they buy a house in NJ. Well he can't do the job Union or no Union they fired him. Now they can't afford the house. So they sell for what they paid for it just before the bubble burst. So he becomes a cop again in NYC.

Anyone who things it cool to be a follower is a sheep. That people can lead and will never do well in life. The shepards do well.


"they fired him"

I love how you just sneak that in there. And, I'm sure he did nothing stupid or wrong to get fired.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/17/16 08:24 PM

Unions can be good things in theory. But like so many things, they become corrupted. And I'm not just talking about OC infiltration. You can read the ongoing cases on the Dept of Labor’s site. It's ridiculous.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/18/16 04:23 PM

Et tu, Jonah?

The following is an excerpt from Jonah Golberg's current National Review article:

"Both literally and figuratively, the 2016 convention failed before the first gavel fell. Why? Because the party is so divided that many — and I mean many — leading Republicans couldn’t meet face-to-face even if they wanted to. The convention is in Ohio Gov. John Kasich’s backyard, and he’s not coming. Neither is Ohio Sen. Rob Portman. No living GOP presidential nominee is attending, save for Bob Dole. Many of the party’s best and brightest elected officials — Rep. Trey Gowdy, Sens. Ben Sasse, Kelly Ayotte, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul — aren’t going, either. Those who are going, such as Sen. Tim Scott and Gov. Nikki Haley, are not on the official list of speakers.

Trump himself admitted the problem Saturday when he said, somewhat grumpily, that he picked Indiana Gov. Mike Pence for “party unity.” It is perfectly legitimate for Trump supporters to grouse about such dissent. But the grousing misses the point. No matter who is right, the fact remains that the party is deeply divided."
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/19/16 03:51 PM

if the republicans had a real candidate then donald trump wouldn't be in the lead
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/19/16 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Hey my ex son in law was a NYC Cop. My daughter had a good job here in NYC. Then he trains to be an airport traffic controller another Union job pays more then double what a cop makes.

He trains in jersey and gets it. Now they are both working so they buy a house in NJ. Well he can't do the job Union or no Union they fired him. Now they can't afford the house. So they sell for what they paid for it just before the bubble burst. So he becomes a cop again in NYC.

Anyone who things it cool to be a follower is a sheep. That people can lead and will never do well in life. The shepards do well.


"they fired him"

I love how you just sneak that in there. And, I'm sure he did nothing stupid or wrong to get fired.


He thinks in Russian not English so it takes him longer to do what is required.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/19/16 04:23 PM

Republicans had a lot of great canadates all better then Hillary.

But the voters saw they did not do what they said they would do. Took over the house they were going to stop the funding of Obama care. They did not do it. Then they said we get the senate they would do it. Again it was a lie.


So they said fuck this we will vote for a none politician.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/19/16 09:54 PM


Melania Trump didn't graduate from college as bio claims


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The controversy over Melania Trump's speech at the Republican National Convention has sparked questions about her background.

Mrs. Trump's education, in particular, is at issue. Her bio on her official website states she graduated with a degree in design and architecture from "University in Slovenia." It's a claim that's been repeated by the Trump campaign and the RNC itself, in the convention's official program.

However, the Slovenian writers of her biography wrote that Trump actually dropped out from the University of Ljubljana after her freshman year. Politico's Julia Ioffe wrote the same thing in a profile of the presumptive Republican nominee's wife that appeared in GQ back in April.

The Huffington Post reported a spokesperson for Donald Trump did not respond to a question about his wife's educational background.

Mrs. Trump's speech on Monday night was generally well received until observers noticed portions appeared to be lifted from Michelle Obama's speech at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort denied the speech was copied, basically attributing it to a coincidence.

"These are themes that are personal to her, but they're very personal to a lot of people, depending on the stories of their lives," he said. "Obviously Michelle Obama feels similar sentiments towards her family."


http://www.cleveland.com/rnc-2016/index.ssf/2016/07/melania_trump_didnt_graduate_f.html
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/19/16 10:13 PM

Hey how much is she worth and how much are you worth?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/19/16 10:15 PM

Mrs Obama once said the only time she was ever proud to be an American was when her husband became president of the United States.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/19/16 10:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Hey how much is she worth and how much are you worth?


She has to blow Trump, so whatever she's worth she earned every penny...
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 12:53 AM

She has her own jewelry line. She was a model way before she met trump.

Plus a First Lady is nothing in politics. She is actually a joke Hillary was and still is a joke with no guts.

Now Hillary the joke wants to be president. smile
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 07:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Mrs Obama once said the only time she was ever proud to be an American was when her husband became president of the United States.


trump said if he ran for president it'll be with the repubs because they have the dumbest voters
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 08:05 AM

Well the democrats proved they are the dumbest voters by far by electing Obama for president not once, but twice so he could finish the job of ruining the country.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
trump said if he ran for president it'll be with the repubs because they have the dumbest voters


You and OakAsFan are proof that's not true.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 04:27 PM

@footreads
@ivyleague


why are yall defending trump calling the repub voters stupid?

he said it, meant it, and believed it
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Unions can be good things in theory. But like so many things, they become corrupted. And I'm not just talking about OC infiltration. You can read the ongoing cases on the Dept of Labor’s site. It's ridiculous.


true, unions were great when they first came about, were very badly needed, middle class in the 50s 60s 70s was due to a large extent to trade unions, but, as you stated, became notoriously
corrupt, and some ran by O.C.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Pence doesn't seem like a Trump pick. Then there's reports that Trump was "making phone calls" until midnight last night trying to change it? Are puppet strings showing?


good post, good observation, also puppet strings on the fbi director, rapping Hillary so trump will win the presidency.

the dumb puppet [director comey] should have either indicted her or shut his dumb-ass mouth,
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 06:13 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Republican party knows Trump is crazy and that the voters made a huge mistake in the primaries. They're throwing hail marys now because it's all they have. Trump wont' even care when Hillary beats him in a landslide. He'll have a new reality tv show premiering around the time Hillary is inaugurated.


yes, he cares not about any party, his party is Donald trump.
he will have his own network after his run at the office,
my opinion of republicans, reminds me of a hitler quote.

" thank god for governments, that men DONT THINK"
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 06:14 PM

Everyone thinks Kennedy opened the country to blacks.

Eisenhower a republican wanted to do after WW2. But the south at that time was all democrats did not want it.

I guess oak and Helen, union county knew that fact right?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 06:16 PM

I am sure Binnie will not be happy if Hillary wins the White House. Wait and see.
Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 06:21 PM

UFC promoter Dana White gives a speech at the RNC to support his longtime buddy Donald Trump:

Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 06:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Everyone thinks Kennedy opened the country to blacks.

Eisenhower a republican wanted to do after WW2. But the south at that time was all democrats did not want it.

I guess oak and Helen, union county knew that fact right?


We need to start a drinking game for every time someone brings up the Democrat racist south of the pre 1960s and applies it to a modern day race discussion.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 06:47 PM

Meanwhile, the dead thug Michael Brown's mother is scheduled to speak at the DNC convention. If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about Democrats I don't know what does. What is she going to talk about? What a failure of a parent she is?
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 07:07 PM

Michael brown was a bully, plain and simple, remember the video where he stole the cigars, pushing the clerk away with his 300 lbs. 10-1 he tried to bully the cop.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 07:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
I am sure Binnie will not be happy if Hillary wins the White House. Wait and see.


foots, it doesn't make any difference who wins, they wont have any power to stop wars, the military runs this country, if you don't think so, let someone try and stop this war machine.

see what happens to them.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 07:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Everyone thinks Kennedy opened the country to blacks.

Eisenhower a republican wanted to do after WW2. But the south at that time was all democrats did not want it.

I guess oak and Helen, union county knew that fact right?


What fact is that? 'Opened' the country for blacks? I'm not sure what that sentence means. Were we 'closed' to blacks before Eisenhower? That the Kennedy family, despite the romanticizing of their positions on civil rights by most of the public didn't do much to advance the cause. LBJ's role in civil rights, which was much larger than the Kennedys mythologized one?

That the Democratic party used to be opposed to civil rights to blacks? I'm familiar with it, and fully understand the Southern Strategy and Harry Dent, how George Wallace's campaign almost threw a monkey wrench into the strategy, the role that the Great Migration played in all of this, the split in the GOP in the era of Goldwater and Rockefeller....


If you want to know if I'm aware of something just ask me, and I will answer. No need to assume what I think or know. Thanks!
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 07:28 PM

You did vote for Obama right. How smart can you be?
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 07:30 PM

Actually I didn't either time, but you keep up with your assumptions smile
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/20/16 11:47 PM

Report: Trump camp offered to make Kasich 'most powerful VP in history'

Donald Trump's campaign reached out to Ohio Gov. John Kasich in May with an offer to make him the "most powerful vice president in history," The New York Times reported Tuesday.

Trump's oldest son, Donald Trump Jr., reached out to a Kasich adviser after the Ohio governor ended his own Republican presidential campaign, promising that if he accepted the vice presidency, Kasich would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy.


The adviser asked what Trump would be in charge of, the report said, and Trump Jr. responded: "Making America great again."

Kasich has refused to endorse Trump, the GOP's presidential nominee, for president, and won't speak at this week's Republican National Convention even though it's taking place in his home state.

He has said Trump shouldn't expect an endorsement anytime soon.

"Unless I see a fundamental change in that approach, it’s really hard for me to do a merger," he said in May.

Trump eventually tapped Indiana Gov. Mike Pence to be his running mate, announcing his decision last week.


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pres...ost-powerful-vp
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/21/16 03:16 AM

In an emotional, precedent-shattering address Wednesday, Trump’s vanquished primary rival Ted Cruz followed his own conscience — and pursued his own agenda — by refusing to endorse his party’s newly minted nominee while implicitly putting himself forward as an alternative party leader should Trump crash and burn in November.

The most Cruz could muster was a curt congratulations. “I congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night,” Cruz said 20 seconds into his speech. He went on to add — in a line that wasn’t part of his prepared remarks — that, “like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes in prevail in November.”

Not the nominee. The principles. Cruz didn’t mention Trump again.

When the delegates in the Quicken Loans Arena realized that Cruz was reaching the end of his remarks with no endorsement in sight, many began to boo. Cruz didn’t back down. In an apparent allusion to the failed, months-long campaign by some of his supporters to free the GOP delegates to “vote their consciences” in Cleveland, Cruz urged “those listening” not to “stay home in November.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 04:31 AM

Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 04:32 AM

^^^ not fake.

https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/756334475223638016
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 04:42 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan

What are you trying to get at here? Hillary has gotten endorsements from KKK members as well.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 05:22 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1

What are you trying to get at here? Hillary has gotten endorsements from KKK members as well.


No, she hasn't. That was a hoax.
Posted By: bigboy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 07:28 AM

Trump made a nice acceptance speech. In a focus group study of undecided voters, many changed their minds in favor of Trump. a number of "Never Trump" voters will reconsider.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 01:29 PM

Originally Posted By: bigboy
Trump made a nice acceptance speech. In a focus group study of undecided voters, many changed their minds in favor of Trump. a number of "Never Trump" voters will reconsider.


Or maybe not

http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/22/trumps-acceptance-speech-was-a-eulogy-for-the-gop/
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 01:31 PM

The best way to watch the convention was on 65 no comments from prejudiced commentators. No missed speeches by others at the convention. Just a better way to watch it.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 01:36 PM

On Cruz he is a prick. When Thrump talked about his wife. His people had already talked about thrumps wife on Neil cavoto. Cruz stooge a women did it first. Can't find a YouTube on it because it was taken off right away. I saw it live.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 01:39 PM

I will not watch the anarchist convention I know everything they will talk about before they say it. Rather watch turner Classic movie channel instead.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan


I agree stop the wars and defeat the corrupt elites. Maybe David duke isn't so bad after all. Thanks for posting.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 03:44 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1

What are you trying to get at here? Hillary has gotten endorsements from KKK members as well.


No, she hasn't. That was a hoax.

Wrong, here you go.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/26/klan-leader-claims-kkk-has-given-20k-clinton-campa/
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1

What are you trying to get at here? Hillary has gotten endorsements from KKK members as well.


No, she hasn't. That was a hoax.

Wrong, here you go.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/26/klan-leader-claims-kkk-has-given-20k-clinton-campa/


That was a hoax. They could never find any evidence that the person was an actual Klan member. He just called a newspaper and said he was in the Klan and has donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign. Was never corroborated.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 04:45 PM

http://www.snopes.com/kkk-endorses-hillary-clinton/
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1

What are you trying to get at here? Hillary has gotten endorsements from KKK members as well.


No, she hasn't. That was a hoax.

Wrong, here you go.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/26/klan-leader-claims-kkk-has-given-20k-clinton-campa/


That was a hoax. They could never find any evidence that the person was an actual Klan member. He just called a newspaper and said he was in the Klan and has donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign. Was never corroborated.


There is literally a video saying he supports Hillary. At 2:15 in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L65RBwrtOeQ
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 04:56 PM

Don't expect OakAsFan to concede anything. Besides, look at all the gays, transgenders, college anarchists, minority thugs, feminists, and other degenerates that are supporting Hillary. And he wants to talk about one obsolete KKK guy?
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Don't expect OakAsFan to concede anything. Besides, look at all the gays, transgenders, college anarchists, minority thugs, feminists, and other degenerates that are supporting Hillary. And he wants to talk about one obsolete KKK guy?


Call gays, transgenders, and feminists degenerates. You're the best guy of all. So accepting!
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 05:30 PM

Trump is a clown and a crook.

Ivy, don't you take issue with Trump's questionable business practices regarding his Atlantic City Casino's?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 05:49 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Don't expect OakAsFan to concede anything. Besides, look at all the gays, transgenders, college anarchists, minority thugs, feminists, and other degenerates that are supporting Hillary. And he wants to talk about one obsolete KKK guy?


Call gays, transgenders, and feminists degenerates. You're the best guy of all. So accepting!


I call them that because that's what they are. Being "accepting" of things that are wrong isn't a good thing.

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Trump is a clown and a crook.

Ivy, don't you take issue with Trump's questionable business practices regarding his Atlantic City Casino's?


I have a lot of issues and reservations about Trump. I would hardly consider him the ideal candidate. The lesser of the two evils when compared to Hillary, certainly, but choosing the lesser evil is still choosing evil.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 06:07 PM

David Duke, Former KKK Leader, Announces Senate Run

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics...ate-run-n615006
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 09:36 PM

It was never coroborated that Hillarys endorser was an actual KKK member. It was a hoax.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 09:39 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Don't expect OakAsFan to concede anything. Besides, look at all the gays, transgenders, college anarchists, minority thugs, feminists, and other degenerates that are supporting Hillary. And he wants to talk about one obsolete KKK guy?


You think being gay, transgender, or a feminist is as bad as being in the KKK?
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 11:09 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
It was never coroborated that Hillarys endorser was an actual KKK member. It was a hoax.

The video is him at a kkk rally how much more proof do you need? You liberals are unreal with your excuses.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 11:17 PM

Going around telling people that their favorite candidate is supported by KKK members is for the weak minded people. Only works on the intellectual lightweights.

I remember they did that with Ron Paul. " Ron Paul, we hear a KKK sent you some fundraiser money." GTFO.

You're supposed to be like "OMG really, guess I better turn away now before people think I'm a horrible person!"

Low level nonsense smear tactics.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/22/16 11:46 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Don't expect OakAsFan to concede anything. Besides, look at all the gays, transgenders, college anarchists, minority thugs, feminists, and other degenerates that are supporting Hillary. And he wants to talk about one obsolete KKK guy?


You think being gay, transgender, or a feminist is as bad as being in the KKK?


At this point the secular liberal agenda, which is made up of all those groups, does incomparably more damage to society than the KKK.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 12:21 AM

So, you do believe being gay, transgender, or a feminist is as bad as being in the KKK?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
So, you do believe being gay, transgender, or a feminist is as bad as being in the KKK?


Yes, though it's a little like asking if pancreatic cancer is as bad as lung cancer.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 12:56 AM

Hillary Clinton picks Tim Kaine for VP


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.c...000000880.html#



And in other news recent Wikileaks remind us just how shady and corrupt the Democrats are. Not that should be news to anyone.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 03:39 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
So, you do believe being gay, transgender, or a feminist is as bad as being in the KKK?


Yes, though it's a little like asking if pancreatic cancer is as bad as lung cancer.


Thank you.

Noted.

And, wow.

I feel sorry for you.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 03:42 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
It was never coroborated that Hillarys endorser was an actual KKK member. It was a hoax.

The video is him at a kkk rally how much more proof do you need? You liberals are unreal with your excuses.


It was never corroborated that the guy who claimed he made the donation is actually in the KKK. There's nothing verifiable. Meanwhile, David Duke's endorsement of Trump is quite verifiable.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 04:33 AM

Hey oak I could endorse you for something. What does that me to you nothing.

You did not give me the okay to endorce you for anything.

Same is true for trump he never gave duke the OK to endorce him for anything. Did you verify that trump asked Him for his endorsement?

See I verified you a kid.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 05:08 AM

ive said this again, and again, will trump ever say what his plan is to do all the things he says hes going to do.

where is the money coming from to be a law and order candidate, is he going to put 150,000 more police in the streets,
how is he going to create all these jobs he talks about.
how is he going to defeat isis? why cant he say here is my plan.... his talk is cheap, but.... where is the beef?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 05:49 AM

Well, there's a simple reason. There's no way Trump can implement the things he promises to. If he were to describe his plans in detail it would probably induce gut laughter from his own party, much less the rest of the country.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 06:26 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
So, you do believe being gay, transgender, or a feminist is as bad as being in the KKK?


Yes, though it's a little like asking if pancreatic cancer is as bad as lung cancer.


Thank you.

Noted.

And, wow.

I feel sorry for you.


Considering how wrong and misguided you are on, well, everything, I'm not exactly going to lose a whole lot of sleep about you feeling sorry for me.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 06:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
ive said this again, and again, will trump ever say what his plan is to do all the things he says hes going to do.

where is the money coming from to be a law and order candidate, is he going to put 150,000 more police in the streets,
how is he going to create all these jobs he talks about.
how is he going to defeat isis? why cant he say here is my plan.... his talk is cheap, but.... where is the beef?



Then there's the problem on the other side of the coin where Hillary will do everything she's said she wants to do. And that's terrifying.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 06:53 AM

Look at that, someone who thinks being gay is as bad as being in the KKK just called someone else "misguided".
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 06:57 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Then there's the problem on the other side of the coin where Hillary will do everything she's said she wants to do. And that's terrifying.


Not as terrifying as someone honestly believing that being gay is as bad as being in the KKK.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 07:01 AM

Speaking of Tim Kaine, he has an F rating from the NRA. I already like him.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 01:13 PM

Is being gay as bad as being straight.

Ask someone gay if he is happy being gay or would he rather be straight. If he is honest he will tell you he rather be straight. That is why they lead in suicides.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 01:15 PM

What is sanders rating with the NRA.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 01:17 PM

I could be wrong but didnt Hillary call Robert Byrd her mentor after he died. The same former KKK member who filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act, one of the few to vote againdt Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas as well as saying "white n-word"



Originally Posted By: Footreads
Hey oak I could endorse you for something. What does that me to you nothing.

You did not give me the okay to endorce you for anything.


Valid point, I remember when Mike Huckabee ran last election or the one before a reporter asked him if he would accept the Fireside Republicans endorsemen even though he is not in support of gay marriage he said at this point I wi tale what ever endorsement I can.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 04:05 PM

Robert Byrd left the KKK in 1952, and in 2005 gave a public apology for his involvement with the organization.

David Duke, while having left the KKK, is still a self proclaimed white nationalist, and has given no public apology for his Klan involvement in the way that Byrd has, which was to denounce white supremacy altogether.

Hillary Clinton's comments about Byrd being her mentor came at a time after Byrd had converted from a bigoted ideology, and atoned for it. Why shouldn't such a person be a mentor? Byrd died an honorable, great American and great public servant, and this was partly because he'd denounced the KKK and white supremacy.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 04:07 PM

Huckabee "I will take whatever endorsement I can"

Desperate. Typical of Huckabee.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Robert Byrd left the KKK in 1952, and in 2005 gave a public apology for his involvement with the organization.

David Duke, while having left the KKK, is still a self proclaimed white nationalist, and has given no public apology for his Klan involvement in the way that Byrd has, which was to denounce white supremacy altogether.

Hillary Clinton's comments about Byrd being her mentor came at a time after Byrd had converted from a bigoted ideology, and atoned for it. Why shouldn't such a person be a mentor? Byrd died an honorable, great American and great public servant, and this was partly because he'd denounced the KKK and white supremacy.

And if it was the other way around you wouldn't be using it for your argument right? Sure.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 04:54 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Robert Byrd left the KKK in 1952, and in 2005 gave a public apology for his involvement with the organization.

David Duke, while having left the KKK, is still a self proclaimed white nationalist, and has given no public apology for his Klan involvement in the way that Byrd has, which was to denounce white supremacy altogether.

Hillary Clinton's comments about Byrd being her mentor came at a time after Byrd had converted from a bigoted ideology, and atoned for it. Why shouldn't such a person be a mentor? Byrd died an honorable, great American and great public servant, and this was partly because he'd denounced the KKK and white supremacy.


It like the final act of contrition before a killer dies. Kill 40 people then at the time of your death say an act of contrition and mean it you go to heaven. Cool
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 07:30 PM

Means theres hope for David Duke after all. But as it stands, he's still an open white supremacist. And we know which presidential candidates agenda he agrees with most.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 08:26 PM

I googled your boogie man David duke since I don't know much about him and turns out he would actually make a FAR better candidate than both Clinton AND Trump!

He's against the federal reserve, the IRS, the wars, the political establishment.

Looks like he's a white nationalist, which isn't the same as white supremacist.

I have no real problem with that, so Aslong as the US gets divided into many different states or territories.

I think the US should break apart into many different smaller independent countries. Let the white nationalist have their own, black nationalist have their own, white Leftiest have their own section, Christian Right wing have theirs etc etc. instead of this stupid multicultural political circus every four years where all these groups fight to put their politician in power to run everyone's life and force their will on their political enemies through state coercion.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 09:43 PM

Yes, I took note of your unfortunate admiration of David Duke yesterday. Thank you for doubling down. I'll keep it in mind.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 09:58 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Yes, I took note of your unfortunate admiration of David Duke yesterday. Thank you for doubling down. I'll keep it in mind.


He's just a far better guy than Hillary and trump from what little I can tell. I don't know a whole lot about him and I really don't care about him. I just think it's funny how people bring him into the presidential debate. Finally decided to look him up and turns out he's only half as bad as he's made out to be. I will also keep in mind your non argument.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/23/16 11:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Robert Byrd left the KKK in 1952, and in 2005 gave a public apology for his involvement with the organization.

David Duke, while having left the KKK, is still a self proclaimed white nationalist, and has given no public apology for his Klan involvement in the way that Byrd has, which was to denounce white supremacy altogether.

Hillary Clinton's comments about Byrd being her mentor came at a time after Byrd had converted from a bigoted ideology, and atoned for it. Why shouldn't such a person be a mentor? Byrd died an honorable, great American and great public servant, and this was partly because he'd denounced the KKK and white supremacy.


It like the final act of contrition before a killer dies. Kill 40 people then at the time of your death say an act of contrition and mean it you go to heaven. Cool


It's funny how after Byrd supposedly repented that he continued to use racist language, like choosing to use the phrase "white ni**ers" not once, but twice on television in 2001. He voted against both Black nominations for the Supreme Court, having voted against Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas.

He was also such a narcissist that he could give Donald Trump classes in it. He could also be compared to Donald Trump in how he passed bills for buildings, highways and anything else that would have his name on it. The difference between him and Trump is that Byrd used taxpayer money to do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Robert_Byrd
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/24/16 09:45 AM

Trump will give a lot of tax payer money to his business to build here. But why not they build under budget they finish on time and it's legal. They hire minorities to work on them.

I got no problem with that. He has a firm that makes sure his workers are legal citizens as well. The Democrates would love to say their illegal but can't.

He is for both building walls and building bridges as long as their building something here that real in the US that provides jobs. It is about work and not about hand outs for votes.

The Democratic Party as it is now are full of low life mother fuckers and cock sucker degenerate radicals and in general fucked up people. We should all piss
on them.

No offense to any mother fuckers and cock sucker degenerate radicals and fucked up people who happen to post on here we love you guys or girls or trans genders.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/24/16 08:17 PM

I just found out something about Hillary VP he is a more of a centralist and not a crazy. I can see people voting for her because of her choice. I am sure Bernie supporters are going to hate her choice. There convention should be interesting in that regard.

I think the main issue will be who she nominates for the Supreme Court now. Plus how will they keep Obama care going.

She will do anything to win. I can see Bernie supporters not voting for her and just staying home.

The anarkists probably will cause trouble at her convention looking forward to that.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/25/16 02:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Trump will give a lot of tax payer money to his business to build here. But why not they build under budget they finish on time and it's legal. They hire minorities to work on them.

I got no problem with that. He has a firm that makes sure his workers are legal citizens as well. The Democrates would love to say their illegal but can't.

He is for both building walls and building bridges as long as their building something here that real in the US that provides jobs. It is about work and not about hand outs for votes.

The Democratic Party as it is now are full of low life mother fuckers and cock sucker degenerate radicals and in general fucked up people. We should all piss
on them.

No offense to any mother fuckers and cock sucker degenerate radicals and fucked up people who happen to post on here we love you guys or girls or trans genders.


Only the unloved hate.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/25/16 03:45 AM

Why do you think I use that.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/25/16 04:20 PM

Clinton Rewards Wasserman Schultz’s Shady Behavior With a New Job

https://www.google.com/amp/observer.com/...h-new-job/amp/#
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/25/16 07:42 PM

I am sure Bernie supporters will really turn out for Clinton after hearing this smile
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/25/16 10:08 PM

The Bernie supporters almost rioted when DWS spoke. Did the same thing when Pelosi mentioned Hillary. Even booed Sanders when he encouraged the crowd to support corrupt Hillary.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/25/16 10:58 PM

So, every time a crowd boos at a sporting event, are we to assume they "almost rioted"?
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/25/16 11:56 PM

It's Philly. They booed Santa Claus.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/26/16 12:12 AM

They booed Ted Cruz. But they were not about to riot. Important distinction. Based on what I have no idea.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/26/16 05:19 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
So, every time a crowd boos at a sporting event, are we to assume they "almost rioted"?


Never been to Europe right? they don't boo in Europe. I was watching Stuttgart play in the 1980's their fans whistled anytime Stuttgart used the negative space which means a back pass now that was a fan of a sports team.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/26/16 06:32 AM

Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/26/16 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Trump will give a lot of tax payer money to his business to build here. But why not they build under budget they finish on time and it's legal. They hire minorities to work on them.

I got no problem with that. He has a firm that makes sure his workers are legal citizens as well. The Democrates would love to say their illegal but can't.

He is for both building walls and building bridges as long as their building something here that real in the US that provides jobs. It is about work and not about hand outs for votes.

The Democratic Party as it is now are full of low life mother fuckers and cock sucker degenerate radicals and in general fucked up people. We should all piss
on them.

No offense to any mother fuckers and cock sucker degenerate radicals and fucked up people who happen to post on here we love you guys or girls or trans genders.



Nobody that calls themself "the Donald" should be president of any forward thinking nation,
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/26/16 07:31 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Nobody that calls themself "the Donald" should be president of any forward thinking nation,


Signed,

The guy who's voting for Hillary Clinton
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 02:29 AM


Inside Trump’s financial ties to Russia and his unusual flattery of Vladimir Putin

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...b7a0_story.html
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 11:46 AM

It's all about jobs and our economy nothing else
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 01:05 PM

Donald Trump says he wants to raise the federal minimum wage to $10 an hour

Reversing a position that he took just two months ago, Donald Trump told Fox News on Tuesday that he would like to see the federal minimum wage raised to $10 per hour.

Trump slammed former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders for saying, in his Monday speech at the Democratic National Convention, that Trump doesn't support raising the federal minimum wage.

Sanders also said that Trump believes "that states should actually have the right to lower the minimum wage below $7.25."

"He lied last night, I mean it was a total lie and everybody said it," Trump said on "The O'Reilly Factor" in response to Sanders.

PolitiFact, for its part, rated Sanders' statement as "mostly true."

"In fact, some of the folks on your network said, 'Wow that was really a lie; he said that I wanted to go less than minimum wage' — this is a new one because I'm the one Republican that said in some cases we have to go more than minimum wage, but what I like is states," he said.

Repeating an earlier position, Trump advocated for leaving the minimum wage up to individual states.

"You go with the states — let the states make the determination because if you take New York, it's very expensive to live in New York, they need more than you know seven, eight, nine dollars," he said. "So you go with the states and let the states make the determination."

But then he said that he would also set a federal minimum wage.

"There doesn't have to be — well, I would leave it and raise it somewhat," Trump said. "You need to help people and I know it's not very Republican to say, but you need to help people."

He continued: "I would say $10, but with the understanding that somebody like me is going to bring back jobs, I don't want people to be in that $10 category for very long. But the thing is, Bill, let the states make the — they're not doing that for the most part."

The federal minimum wage is currently set at $7.25.

Trump's proposal for a $10 federal minimum wage contrasts with earlier statements that he has made. PolitiFact noted Trump's response to a question in May on NBC's "Meet the Press," when he was asked whether the federal government should set a floor for the minimum wage and then let states decide if they want to go above that.

"No, I'd rather have the states go out and do what they have to do," Trump said then. "And the states compete with each other, not only other countries, but they compete with each other. ... So I like the idea of let the states decide. But I think people should get more."

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-federal-minimum-wage-2016-7
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 02:14 PM

Did he said he could not help raise the economy. When he says that let me know.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 02:21 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels

Inside Trump’s financial ties to Russia and his unusual flattery of Vladimir Putin

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...b7a0_story.html


Helen, thanks

It's ALWAYS about the money....I think laws had to be passed to FORCE American businessmen to stop making deals with Nazi Germany after the US entered WW2.

Good article.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 02:29 PM

Thank you Gets. I'm glad you liked it.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 03:00 PM

Helen,

i especially enjoyed reading it because helped me understand a story I read the other day.

Allegedly Russia was behind the DNC leaks

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...nald-trump.html


I'm not sure if I fully buy the story in the dailybeast , BUT...that article you posted gives some context to the story.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 05:33 PM

It's getting much more interesting.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html?_r=0
Posted By: SC

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 05:48 PM

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Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 06:01 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
..


are you mocking my use of the ellipse? wink smile

(It is a crime i repeatedly commit.)
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 06:36 PM

No, he's fixing the formatting of the page because of the long link.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 06:39 PM

Aha. Thank you. smile
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 08:58 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels


Russia can't hack Hillary's servers since they're disconnected and in the custody of the Justice Department, so he's either calling on them to release what they already have or his being sarcastic and trying to mock the media. Guess we'll have to wait for the follow up to see if it was one of those two possibility or if he was encouraging Russia to commit espionage.

On the other hand, Julian Assange says he's going to release a lot more material, and if there are unredacted emails from Hillary's servers it will prove beyond a doubt that she was hacked and absolutely did violate the Espionage Act.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 09:07 PM

Of course Russia want trump as presdient trump is a fucking idiot when it comes to world diplomacy Putin raped Obama in world poltics I can't even imagine what he will do to Trump if he wins Putin I dislike the man and his policies but he is a genius probably the smartest leader in the world. Trump could also cause trouble with China which is good for Russia if trump wins Russia will be in a very strong position. I disagree with NATO as well what the fuck are they going to do realistically look at crimera a few sanctions everyone cried over it no action all talk its 2016 but Trump he is someone I fear in that if he just appeases Putin Russia will be become confident in having an aggressive policiy in the east and trumps comments on South Korea are ridiclous the North are fucking nut jobs the kim whacked his own uncle by feeding him to dogs and blew up a another guy with a missile on live TV the guy is a fucking headcase only thing stopping them invading the South is US troops China won't allow the North to fight the U.S. China has great influence over the North. If US leaves the south there will be violence China will have no reason to stop the North Japan would attack the North to defend the South. Violence in these countries also hurts the uS as it damages the global economy. Plus the North is apart from Cuba and Venezuela to a certain degree the last real communist country left in the world we can't lend them expand.

Hillary is no better she is responsible for a lot of the current problems her and Obama fucked Libya never should have removed Gaddafi kept peace one devil is better than hundreds 7 different governments now in Libyia and Isis also have territory in Libyia since it collapsed.
They should have stayed out of Syria as well backing these rebels that was Clinton and Obama we know nothing about you guys in the U.S. Have learnt nothing about your mistakes in the past look at what you did in the 80s you guys armed the talbian and created Al Qeada. Now your doing the same thing helping people you don't know against Assad these Rebels are no saints they recently beheaded a 10 year old boy these are the people you are supporting? Obama had the U.S. Army train some Syrian civilians how to fight and armed then with top weapons whole thing was a disaster most ran away from the fight some swapped sides and joined Isis overs where captured and executed by the Government army or killed by terriordt groups all of this is Hilliary and John Kerry.if Hlllary wins Europr is going to get more tense with Russis

Sad thing is that Amercia affects the rest of the world because of its size and power meaning Amercia having shit leaders is bad for the rest of us. I can't understand how you guys have allowed it to get to this situation Trump or Hillary as your leader really they are the best you can offer?
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 09:42 PM

Just read this topic and you will understand how Trump can rise in this country.

The thing people seems concerned with are Transgenders and immigrants, fucking ridiculous... another thing about Trump supporters is that they are some of the biggest pussies around. Scared shitless. Scared of muslims, mexicans, blacks, they are probably scared of Canadians too. That is what they like about Trump. He is going to keep them safe! Trump doesn't do "policy", he does rhetoric. Muslims? Ban em! Mexicans? Kick 'em out!

He appeals to the racists... just look at this topic. Last page a guy actually said how much he likes David Duke. Ivy refers to anyone who isn't a white male a degenerate... It's hate, it's fear. It's pathetic.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 09:44 PM

How come he didn’t offer the hacking job to Americans first?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 10:08 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Just read this topic and you will understand how Trump can rise in this country.

The thing people seems concerned with are Transgenders and immigrants, fucking ridiculous... another thing about Trump supporters is that they are some of the biggest pussies around. Scared shitless. Scared of muslims, mexicans, blacks, they are probably scared of Canadians too. That is what they like about Trump. He is going to keep them safe! Trump doesn't do "policy", he does rhetoric. Muslims? Ban em! Mexicans? Kick 'em out!

He appeals to the racists... just look at this topic. Last page a guy actually said how much he likes David Duke. Ivy refers to anyone who isn't a white male a degenerate... It's hate, it's fear. It's pathetic.


Wow, you couldn't have regurgitated Hillary's talking points any better if you tried.

First, you know damn well I specified certain groups as degenerate and not just anyone who isn't a white male.

Second, you pull out the tired, old accusations of racism, bigotry, blah blah blah. Democrats have been playing fear politics for years. I think it's safe to say most conservatives, whether they support Trump or not, want better border control and immigration reform, as well as honest discussion about the problems in the Muslim world that we see played out in the news on a daily basis.

Like I told cook, I don't know who you're voting for, but if it's Hillary you don't have a leg to stand on.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 10:12 PM

DeBlasio just endorsed Hillary. One crook about to go to jail endorses another crook who is about to go to jail.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 10:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
DeBlasio just endorsed Hillary. One crook about to go to jail endorses another crook who is about to go to jail.


As if we needed another reason not to vote for her.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 10:33 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Just read this topic and you will understand how Trump can rise in this country.

The thing people seems concerned with are Transgenders and immigrants, fucking ridiculous... another thing about Trump supporters is that they are some of the biggest pussies around. Scared shitless. Scared of muslims, mexicans, blacks, they are probably scared of Canadians too. That is what they like about Trump. He is going to keep them safe! Trump doesn't do "policy", he does rhetoric. Muslims? Ban em! Mexicans? Kick 'em out!

He appeals to the racists... just look at this topic. Last page a guy actually said how much he likes David Duke. Ivy refers to anyone who isn't a white male a degenerate... It's hate, it's fear. It's pathetic.


I didn't say anything about "how much I liked David Duke." I said he's seems like a far better candidate than Trump and Hillary based on a Google search. I was trying to make a point that both the candidates are terrible, and that the boogie man David Duke thing is stupid. To top it off, I'm not even voting for the guy, so your whole point there is dumb.

These deceptive smear tactics people like you use only work on the less intelligent.
trump talks about kicking out illegal immigrants, which most of them happen to Mexican. That doesn't mean kick out all Mexicans. I know that, you know that, but yet you'll still put it in these terms just for the sake of smearing someone.
I'm not even a Trump supporter, or a "close the border and built a giant wall" type of guy. But I try my best to attack someone's actual ideas and positions rather than stawman garbage. It could only mean your ideas are inferior so you have to make shit up and attack it.
Look if you can show me that he wants to kick out all Mexicans Americans, even Americans citizens, that came here legally and were born here, then I'll be there first to condemn it and fight against it since I'm Hispanic myself and my grandparents came from Mexico as well as my mom.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 11:31 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Just read this topic and you will understand how Trump can rise in this country.

The thing people seems concerned with are Transgenders and immigrants, fucking ridiculous... another thing about Trump supporters is that they are some of the biggest pussies around. Scared shitless. Scared of muslims, mexicans, blacks, they are probably scared of Canadians too. That is what they like about Trump. He is going to keep them safe! Trump doesn't do "policy", he does rhetoric. Muslims? Ban em! Mexicans? Kick 'em out!

He appeals to the racists... just look at this topic. Last page a guy actually said how much he likes David Duke. Ivy refers to anyone who isn't a white male a degenerate... It's hate, it's fear. It's pathetic.


Wow, you couldn't have regurgitated Hillary's talking points any better if you tried.

First, you know damn well I specified certain groups as degenerate and not just anyone who isn't a white male.

Second, you pull out the tired, old accusations of racism, bigotry, blah blah blah. Democrats have been playing fear politics for years. I think it's safe to say most conservatives, whether they support Trump or not, want better border control and immigration reform, as well as honest discussion about the problems in the Muslim world that we see played out in the news on a daily basis.

Like I told cook, I don't know who you're voting for, but if it's Hillary you don't have a leg to stand on.


At the end of the day, it is Hillary or Trump. And I will never vote for Trump.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 11:32 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Just read this topic and you will understand how Trump can rise in this country.

The thing people seems concerned with are Transgenders and immigrants, fucking ridiculous... another thing about Trump supporters is that they are some of the biggest pussies around. Scared shitless. Scared of muslims, mexicans, blacks, they are probably scared of Canadians too. That is what they like about Trump. He is going to keep them safe! Trump doesn't do "policy", he does rhetoric. Muslims? Ban em! Mexicans? Kick 'em out!

He appeals to the racists... just look at this topic. Last page a guy actually said how much he likes David Duke. Ivy refers to anyone who isn't a white male a degenerate... It's hate, it's fear. It's pathetic.


I didn't say anything about "how much I liked David Duke." I said he's seems like a far better candidate than Trump and Hillary based on a Google search. I was trying to make a point that both the candidates are terrible, and that the boogie man David Duke thing is stupid. To top it off, I'm not even voting for the guy, so your whole point there is dumb.

These deceptive smear tactics people like you use only work on the less intelligent.
trump talks about kicking out illegal immigrants, which most of them happen to Mexican. That doesn't mean kick out all Mexicans. I know that, you know that, but yet you'll still put it in these terms just for the sake of smearing someone.
I'm not even a Trump supporter, or a "close the border and built a giant wall" type of guy. But I try my best to attack someone's actual ideas and positions rather than stawman garage. It could only mean your ideas are inferior so you have to make shit up and attack it.
Look if you can show me that he wants to kick out all Mexicans Americans, even Americans citizens, that came here legally and were born here, then I'll be there first to condemn it and fight against it since I'm Hispanic myself and my grandparents came from Mexico as well as my mom.


Please. Like any actual policy debate happens here.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 11:34 PM

Honestly, Ivy, who is playing the fear game now? Trump or Hillary? If you had to choose one.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/27/16 11:56 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Just read this topic and you will understand how Trump can rise in this country.

The thing people seems concerned with are Transgenders and immigrants, fucking ridiculous... another thing about Trump supporters is that they are some of the biggest pussies around. Scared shitless. Scared of muslims, mexicans, blacks, they are probably scared of Canadians too. That is what they like about Trump. He is going to keep them safe! Trump doesn't do "policy", he does rhetoric. Muslims? Ban em! Mexicans? Kick 'em out!

He appeals to the racists... just look at this topic. Last page a guy actually said how much he likes David Duke. Ivy refers to anyone who isn't a white male a degenerate... It's hate, it's fear. It's pathetic.


I didn't say anything about "how much I liked David Duke." I said he's seems like a far better candidate than Trump and Hillary based on a Google search. I was trying to make a point that both the candidates are terrible, and that the boogie man David Duke thing is stupid. To top it off, I'm not even voting for the guy, so your whole point there is dumb.

These deceptive smear tactics people like you use only work on the less intelligent.
trump talks about kicking out illegal immigrants, which most of them happen to Mexican. That doesn't mean kick out all Mexicans. I know that, you know that, but yet you'll still put it in these terms just for the sake of smearing someone.
I'm not even a Trump supporter, or a "close the border and built a giant wall" type of guy. But I try my best to attack someone's actual ideas and positions rather than stawman garage. It could only mean your ideas are inferior so you have to make shit up and attack it.
Look if you can show me that he wants to kick out all Mexicans Americans, even Americans citizens, that came here legally and were born here, then I'll be there first to condemn it and fight against it since I'm Hispanic myself and my grandparents came from Mexico as well as my mom.


Please. Like any actual policy debate happens here.


So purposely misrepresenting somebody's position in order to smear is perfectly fine for you.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Just read this topic and you will understand how Trump can rise in this country.

The thing people seems concerned with are Transgenders and immigrants, fucking ridiculous... another thing about Trump supporters is that they are some of the biggest pussies around. Scared shitless. Scared of muslims, mexicans, blacks, they are probably scared of Canadians too. That is what they like about Trump. He is going to keep them safe! Trump doesn't do "policy", he does rhetoric. Muslims? Ban em! Mexicans? Kick 'em out!

He appeals to the racists... just look at this topic. Last page a guy actually said how much he likes David Duke. Ivy refers to anyone who isn't a white male a degenerate... It's hate, it's fear. It's pathetic.


Wow, you couldn't have regurgitated Hillary's talking points any better if you tried.

First, you know damn well I specified certain groups as degenerate and not just anyone who isn't a white male.

Second, you pull out the tired, old accusations of racism, bigotry, blah blah blah. Democrats have been playing fear politics for years. I think it's safe to say most conservatives, whether they support Trump or not, want better border control and immigration reform, as well as honest discussion about the problems in the Muslim world that we see played out in the news on a daily basis.

Like I told cook, I don't know who you're voting for, but if it's Hillary you don't have a leg to stand on.


At the end of the day, it is Hillary or Trump. And I will never vote for Trump.


Nobody is telling you to vote for Trump. I don't particularly like him either. But, like I said, you can't say you won't vote for him and then turn around and vote for someone who's even worse.

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Honestly, Ivy, who is playing the fear game now? Trump or Hillary? If you had to choose one.


I choose neither. Trump is the lesser of the two evils but the lesser evil is still choosing evil. That said, I do think Trump would do less damage, especially with the Supreme Court.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 12:42 AM

It appears that Trump adviser Rudolph Guliani has recently called for this:

http://gawker.com/rudy-giuliani-putting ... 1784416053

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... -list.html

Maybe they can make them in the form of a yellow crescent patch. I'm not saying I'm fleeing the country, but I understand if others are.

P.S. Special kudos to Democrats for demagoguing with the discriminatory and due process free terror watch list by equating anyone on it to being a terrorist.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 01:23 AM

Ben Shapiro shreds Michelle Obama's speech

Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 02:09 AM

I told you she said when he was first elected.

not everyone forgot what she said
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 03:15 AM

Yesterday Trump, appearing before veterans, said he'll have someone in the White House 24x7 that vets can phone with complaints about the VA. There isn't a chance that a vet or anyone else will be able to call anyone in the White House and get a problem resolved. But it's precisely the kind of criticism of the Establishment that people want to hear. And, Clinton is the Establishment. Her reaction: no reaction.

Today Trump said that he hoped Putin would release all of the Clinton and DNC emails his country hacked. It's this close to treason. Clinton's reaction: nothing. She still believes she deserves to win because she's Hillary Clinton, and nothing else matters.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 05:04 AM

You can split hairs over a great speech all you want to. Find any tiny inaccuracy. Correct grammar or pronunciation. It won't stop the message. It won't stop the effect it has on its listeners. Ben Shapiro? lol.

Michelle Obama's speech was a blueprint for civilized people to deal with the hatred in society today. "They Go Low, We Go High". This will be on the 10 dollar bill in 50 years, after Michelle has served her two terms as president.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 10:46 AM

The people I am friends with on Facebook who support Hillary - it seems to be more about not letting Trump get into office by any means than it is electing Clinton.

These people talk about rhetoric v policy. As if they would give Trump a chance to begin with. They are blindsided.

This mission to ensure Trump doesn't get into office is as trite as all this insert lives matter shit.

People are too entitled these days.

That's why Clinton has the minority vote guaranteed. What interest do most of them have in making America great again?

People who don't respect America enough to respect its laws and go through the process of becoming a legal citizen all want Clinton in office.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 02:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
The people I am friends with on Facebook who support Hillary - it seems to be more about not letting Trump get into office by any means than it is electing Clinton.

These people talk about rhetoric v policy. As if they would give Trump a chance to begin with. They are blindsided.


Which particular policies do you strongly support or oppose, from either candidate?


Originally Posted By: MoeTilden

That's why Clinton has the minority vote guaranteed. What interest do most of them have in making America great again?


They have same interest in it as any other citizen of America.

Or are you saying minorities (btw, which American minorities are you speaking of: Latinos, Blacks, Jews, Asians, etc?) think differently than the majority? I'm unclear here.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 02:16 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy


The thing people seems concerned with are Transgenders and immigrants, fucking ridiculous... another thing about Trump supporters is that they are some of the biggest pussies around. Scared shitless. Scared of muslims, mexicans, blacks, they are probably scared of Canadians too. That is what they like about Trump. He is going to keep them safe! Trump doesn't do "policy", he does rhetoric. Muslims? Ban em! Mexicans? Kick 'em out!

He appeals to the racists... just look at this topic. Last page a guy actually said how much he likes David Duke. Ivy refers to anyone who isn't a white male a degenerate... It's hate, it's fear. It's pathetic.


Well, Canadians are nefarious wink



Response to the uptick in fear mongering, by the President last night in his DNC speech:

"He’s betting that if he scares enough people, he might score just enough votes to win this election. That is another bet that Donald Trump will lose. Because he’s selling the American people short. We are not a fragile or frightful people. Our power doesn’t come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order. We don’t look to be ruled."
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy


The thing people seems concerned with are Transgenders and immigrants, fucking ridiculous... another thing about Trump supporters is that they are some of the biggest pussies around. Scared shitless. Scared of muslims, mexicans, blacks, they are probably scared of Canadians too. That is what they like about Trump. He is going to keep them safe! Trump doesn't do "policy", he does rhetoric. Muslims? Ban em! Mexicans? Kick 'em out!

He appeals to the racists... just look at this topic. Last page a guy actually said how much he likes David Duke. Ivy refers to anyone who isn't a white male a degenerate... It's hate, it's fear. It's pathetic.


Well, Canadians are nefarious wink



Response to the uptick in fear mongering, by the President last night in his DNC speech:

"He’s betting that if he scares enough people, he might score just enough votes to win this election. That is another bet that Donald Trump will lose. Because he’s selling the American people short. We are not a fragile or frightful people. Our power doesn’t come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order. We don’t look to be ruled."





This is a Part of Obama's speech that was good. This is libertarian/classical liberal rhetoric.

"We are not a fragile people, we're not a frightful people. Our power doesn't come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. We don't look to be ruled.


"Our power comes from those immortal declarations first put to paper right here in Philadelphia all those years ago. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that we the people can form a more perfect union. That's who we are. That's our birthright, the capacity to shape our own destiny."


There you have it, one of the main problems with Trump. He's running as the strongman that's going to single handedly save and protect us all because he's supposedly so great and awsome. I'm not into the cult of personalities and putting faith into a man in a suit living across the country. Let people run their own lives in their own communities.
Of course, the Left wants to be ruled too, but Aslong as its by their own. Both sides have their blind spots.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 04:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
The people I am friends with on Facebook who support Hillary - it seems to be more about not letting Trump get into office by any means than it is electing Clinton.

These people talk about rhetoric v policy. As if they would give Trump a chance to begin with. They are blindsided.

This mission to ensure Trump doesn't get into office is as trite as all this insert lives matter shit.

People are too entitled these days.

That's why Clinton has the minority vote guaranteed. What interest do most of them have in making America great again?

People who don't respect America enough to respect its laws and go through the process of becoming a legal citizen all want Clinton in office.


You have not been watching the Democrat convention.

It's not about Trump. He wishes it was. His followers wish it was. It's not.

It's about the people. It's about this country. It's about ideas, and moving into the future.

"When they go low, we go high"- Michelle Obama

This convention is setting the tone for the rest of the election season.

Trump's quick response was to go right to Clinton's marriage. He doesn't get it. He doesn't understand what this election is going to be about.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
You can split hairs over a great speech all you want to. Find any tiny inaccuracy. Correct grammar or pronunciation. It won't stop the message. It won't stop the effect it has on its listeners. Ben Shapiro? lol.

Michelle Obama's speech was a blueprint for civilized people to deal with the hatred in society today. "They Go Low, We Go High". This will be on the 10 dollar bill in 50 years, after Michelle has served her two terms as president.


Don't you know how stupid you sound? Her entire speech was one big lie about why Hillary friggin' Clinton is a good role model for women and why she would make a great president. Any objective observer (not you) can see neither is true.

And all you can say is "Ben Shapiro lol" because you've got nothing to say. The guy makes a living out of putting liberal fags like you in their place.

Of course, this is all assuming you're not just some troll pretending to be the biggest leftist hack ever to pollute this board.

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
This is a Part of Obama's speech that was good. This is libertarian/classical liberal rhetoric.

"We are not a fragile people, we're not a frightful people. Our power doesn't come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. We don't look to be ruled.

"Our power comes from those immortal declarations first put to paper right here in Philadelphia all those years ago. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that we the people can form a more perfect union. That's who we are. That's our birthright, the capacity to shape our own destiny."


There you have it, one of the main problems with Trump. He's running as the strongman that's going to single handedly save and protect us all because he's supposedly so great and awsome. I'm not into the cult of personalities and putting faith into a man in a suit living across the country. Let people run their own lives in their own communities.
Of course, the Left wants to be ruled too, but Aslong as its by their own. Both sides have their blind spots.


What in THE BLUE HELL is Obama talking about? His entire campaign the first time around was built around him being some kind of savior who was bringing "hope and change." Of course he brought nothing in terms of hope and the vast majority of change he brought was bad. Many of those who were stupid enough to vote for him were disappointed and that's why they later doubled down with crazy Bernie this time around. The Democrats have always been about the government- their idea of it - ruling everyone and providing everything from cradle to grave. The government supplants everything - the individual, families, God. And yet the Democrat approach never solves a damn thing. But it's not supposed to, is it? The idea is to keep 'em down and keep 'em voting for you. Seriously, who does this fraud think he's kidding?

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Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 04:50 PM

Trump Just Filed Applications for Foreign Workers at His Florida Resort

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/trump-.../#ixzz4FisRNmP9
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
You can split hairs over a great speech all you want to. Find any tiny inaccuracy. Correct grammar or pronunciation. It won't stop the message. It won't stop the effect it has on its listeners. Ben Shapiro? lol.

Michelle Obama's speech was a blueprint for civilized people to deal with the hatred in society today. "They Go Low, We Go High". This will be on the 10 dollar bill in 50 years, after Michelle has served her two terms as president.


Don't you know how stupid you sound? Her entire speech was one big lie about why Hillary friggin' Clinton is a good role model for women and why she would make a great president. Any objective observer (not you) can see neither is true.

And all you can say is "Ben Shapiro lol" because you've got nothing to say. The guy makes a living out of putting liberal fags like you in their place.

Of course, this is all assuming you're not just some troll pretending to be the biggest leftist hack ever to pollute this board.

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
This is a Part of Obama's speech that was good. This is libertarian/classical liberal rhetoric.

"We are not a fragile people, we're not a frightful people. Our power doesn't come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. We don't look to be ruled.

"Our power comes from those immortal declarations first put to paper right here in Philadelphia all those years ago. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that we the people can form a more perfect union. That's who we are. That's our birthright, the capacity to shape our own destiny."


There you have it, one of the main problems with Trump. He's running as the strongman that's going to single handedly save and protect us all because he's supposedly so great and awsome. I'm not into the cult of personalities and putting faith into a man in a suit living across the country. Let people run their own lives in their own communities.
Of course, the Left wants to be ruled too, but Aslong as its by their own. Both sides have their blind spots.


What in THE BLUE HELL is Obama talking about? His entire campaign the first time around was built around him being some kind of savior who was bringing "hope and change." Of course he brought nothing in terms of hope and the vast majority of change he brought was bad. Many of those who were stupid enough to vote for him were disappointed and that's why they later doubled down with crazy Bernie this time around. The Democrats have always been about the government- their idea of it - ruling everyone and providing everything from cradle to grave. The government supplants everything - the individual, families, God. And yet the Democrat approach never solves a damn thing. But it's not supposed to, is it? The idea is to keep 'em down and keep 'em voting for you. Seriously, who does this fraud think he's kidding?


I agree with you 100%.

I'm just talking about the rhetoric he used right there was right. But of course he's a big hypocrite. The government is the progressive God. As I said, they too want a strong ruler so Aslong as its their own tribe in charge.
Michelle Obama's speech was disturbing when she talked about giving Hillary the power to shape our children. Super creepy authoritarian stuff. But thinking this makes me a racist lol.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 05:12 PM

The spelling error in the above posted meme gives it that little something extra... lol
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 05:12 PM

Ivy,

just stop it.In the news thread someone recently posted a story about a MILLION dollar welfare fraud case in YOUR state involving people with ties to YOUR faith, and you didn't weigh in on the story.

It was about the guy who slipped out of the electronic shackle/monitor.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=825161&page=23

So your references to people on welfare....getting free Air Jordans voting Dem.is laughable. What political party is Jeff Lyle a follower of?

stop it, please.

Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Ivy,

just stop it.In the news thread someone recently posted a story about a MILLION dollar welfare fraud case in YOUR state involving people with ties to YOUR faith, and you didn't weigh in on the story.

It was about the guy who slipped out of the electronic shackle/monitor.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=825161&page=23

So your references to people on welfare....getting free Air Jordans voting Dem.is laughable. What political party is Jeff Lyle a follower of?

stop it, please.



Stop what? Sorry if what I said about Democrats hits too close to home but you saying he had "ties to your faith" is like saying the Protestants "have ties" to the Catholics. The Jeffs and their followers have nothing to do with the LDS Church. And we loath them more than anyone. The real question is, why are you even bringing that up here? In some blatant, lame attempt to put me on the defensive? And I have no idea what party he's a follower of.

The thing I posted obviously utilizes some hyperbole but the underlying point is true. Too many Democrat voters look at the government as their Savior and the answer to all of society's problems.



Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 06:58 PM

Ivy
just calling you out for inconsistency.
I did NOT know that the FDLS wasn't affiliated with your set of beliefs.
I DID know that you would NOT reply, or comment on the story about MASS welfare fraud involving people from your neck of the woods. I knew you'd avoid that post.

So you bringing up "Jordan wearing welfare recipients" in this thread...which implies urban poor Blacks, is a bit of a bad joke.

You'd have all the more reason to have commented on the FDLS million dollar welfare fraud case seeing that it involved leader of religious group that you don't care for. Guess the face of those welfare recipients don't match the narrative you're more comfortable with.

Also, the political demographics for Hildale,Utah and the county it's in are consistently 2/3 or better registered Rep. and Pres. election votes for past 30 years are consistent with that for the city and county. Seeing as how FDLS runs that town..literally ,it's not a stretch to say that if fugitive and welfare cheat Lyfe Jeffs does vote ...that he was voting (R).

You know your state better than I do, you could have guessed that the town he and that church run was mostly (R). But that's not consistent with the "Jordan wearing welfare"Democrats argument.

I give you a certain amount of credit for being candid and honest, but some of these inconsistencies have to be obvious to you.


I've said before that many govt. programs DO promote dependency, in fact they were designed to promote a societal "need" for them...guaranteeing the existence of the programs.
You can make your points here without the obvious contempt shown towards Blacks.

Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
You can split hairs over a great speech all you want to. Find any tiny inaccuracy. Correct grammar or pronunciation. It won't stop the message. It won't stop the effect it has on its listeners. Ben Shapiro? lol.

Michelle Obama's speech was a blueprint for civilized people to deal with the hatred in society today. "They Go Low, We Go High". This will be on the 10 dollar bill in 50 years, after Michelle has served her two terms as president.


Don't you know how stupid you sound? Her entire speech was one big lie about why Hillary friggin' Clinton is a good role model for women and why she would make a great president. Any objective observer (not you) can see neither is true.

And all you can say is "Ben Shapiro lol" because you've got nothing to say. The guy makes a living out of putting liberal fags like you in their place.

Of course, this is all assuming you're not just some troll pretending to be the biggest leftist hack ever to pollute this board.

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
This is a Part of Obama's speech that was good. This is libertarian/classical liberal rhetoric.

"We are not a fragile people, we're not a frightful people. Our power doesn't come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. We don't look to be ruled.

"Our power comes from those immortal declarations first put to paper right here in Philadelphia all those years ago. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that we the people can form a more perfect union. That's who we are. That's our birthright, the capacity to shape our own destiny."


There you have it, one of the main problems with Trump. He's running as the strongman that's going to single handedly save and protect us all because he's supposedly so great and awsome. I'm not into the cult of personalities and putting faith into a man in a suit living across the country. Let people run their own lives in their own communities.
Of course, the Left wants to be ruled too, but Aslong as its by their own. Both sides have their blind spots.


What in THE BLUE HELL is Obama talking about? His entire campaign the first time around was built around him being some kind of savior who was bringing "hope and change." Of course he brought nothing in terms of hope and the vast majority of change he brought was bad. Many of those who were stupid enough to vote for him were disappointed and that's why they later doubled down with crazy Bernie this time around. The Democrats have always been about the government- their idea of it - ruling everyone and providing everything from cradle to grave. The government supplants everything - the individual, families, God. And yet the Democrat approach never solves a damn thing. But it's not supposed to, is it? The idea is to keep 'em down and keep 'em voting for you. Seriously, who does this fraud think he's kidding?


When you go low, we go high, buddy.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 09:48 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Ivy
just calling you out for inconsistency.
I did NOT know that the FDLS wasn't affiliated with your set of beliefs.
I DID know that you would NOT reply, or comment on the story about MASS welfare fraud involving people from your neck of the woods. I knew you'd avoid that post.

So you bringing up "Jordan wearing welfare recipients" in this thread...which implies urban poor Blacks, is a bit of a bad joke.

You'd have all the more reason to have commented on the FDLS million dollar welfare fraud case seeing that it involved leader of religious group that you don't care for. Guess the face of those welfare recipients don't match the narrative you're more comfortable with.

Also, the political demographics for Hildale,Utah and the county it's in are consistently 2/3 or better registered Rep. and Pres. election votes for past 30 years are consistent with that for the city and county. Seeing as how FDLS runs that town..literally ,it's not a stretch to say that if fugitive and welfare cheat Lyfe Jeffs does vote ...that he was voting (R).

You know your state better than I do, you could have guessed that the town he and that church run was mostly (R). But that's not consistent with the "Jordan wearing welfare"Democrats argument.

I give you a certain amount of credit for being candid and honest, but some of these inconsistencies have to be obvious to you.


I've said before that many govt. programs DO promote dependency, in fact they were designed to promote a societal "need" for them...guaranteeing the existence of the programs.
You can make your points here without the obvious contempt shown towards Blacks.



First, I don't know why I'm obligated to comment on the Jeffs situation. Just because I dont comment, don't assume I'm avoiding anything. In hindsight, maybe I should have so I could correct your assumptions in that thread rather than you bringing it up here. And this isn't the first time you've played that card. In other threads you have brought up the Mormon Church as some kind of counterpoint when it's usually been irrelevant. If you got something to say, say it, but at least have your facts right.

Second, the contempt I have is for straight Democratic ticket voters, whatever color they are and what Obama was calling for in his DNC speech. Especially those who whine about Trump but then have the nerve to turn around and vote for someone even worse.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 10:05 PM

You guys are playing right into the media hands. Focusing on "Russians hacking the DNC" instead of the content in the hackings. Doesn't matter how they came out the outrage should be in the content. Suckers.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 10:32 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
You guys are playing right into the media hands. Focusing on "Russians hacking the DNC" instead of the content in the hackings. Doesn't matter how they came out the outrage should be in the content. Suckers.


It's because the Hillary supporters don't want to deal with what's in them. So they change the narrative to it being about Russia and Trump committing treason. rolleyes

It is amusing to see the disillusioned Bernie supporters. Their party screws their candidate over and then their candidate screws them over by going against everything he claimed to stand for and endorsing Hillary. whistle
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/28/16 10:45 PM

Meanwhile, they've got a mentally ill man pretending to be a woman speaking at the DNC. Good grief.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 02:37 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague

First, I don't know why I'm obligated to comment on the Jeffs situation. Just because I dont comment, don't assume I'm avoiding anything. In hindsight, maybe I should have so I could correct your assumptions in that thread rather than you bringing it up here. And this isn't the first time you've played that card. In other threads you have brought up the Mormon Church as some kind of counterpoint when it's usually been irrelevant. If you got something to say, say it, but at least have your facts right.

Second, the contempt I have is for straight Democratic ticket voters, whatever color they are and what Obama was calling for in his DNC speech. Especially those who whine about Trump but then have the nerve to turn around and vote for someone even worse.



Ivy,

I can count numerous times when you make comments about what"Blacks" SHOULD be doing, or questioning why "Blacks" vote this way or that way or "blindly follow" Obama.

When you make numerous comments patronizing or questioning what "other groups" do, people assume that you have as much "expertise" about your group as you seemingly have about others. If I made multiple posts about what Utahns are doing wrong, when threads or topic involving New Jersey came up, people would be waiting so hear my take...and would notice if I didn't comment.

Your contempt towards Blacks is obvious, and you are entitled to feel however you want...but you are infinitely more knowledgeable about the groups you identify as than "Blacks"...so every once in a while I just ask a question to see if you're as forthright in your opinion about your group as you are of others. When you are not, makes your opinions about others seem hollow.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 02:49 AM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague

First, I don't know why I'm obligated to comment on the Jeffs situation. Just because I dont comment, don't assume I'm avoiding anything. In hindsight, maybe I should have so I could correct your assumptions in that thread rather than you bringing it up here. And this isn't the first time you've played that card. In other threads you have brought up the Mormon Church as some kind of counterpoint when it's usually been irrelevant. If you got something to say, say it, but at least have your facts right.

Second, the contempt I have is for straight Democratic ticket voters, whatever color they are and what Obama was calling for in his DNC speech. Especially those who whine about Trump but then have the nerve to turn around and vote for someone even worse.



Ivy,

I can count numerous times when you make comments about what"Blacks" SHOULD be doing, or questioning why "Blacks" vote this way or that way or "blindly follow" Obama.

When you make numerous comments patronizing or questioning what "other groups" do, people assume that you have as much "expertise" about your group as you seemingly have about others. If I made multiple posts about what Utahns are doing wrong, when threads or topic involving New Jersey came up, people would be waiting so hear my take...and would notice if I didn't comment.

Your contempt towards Blacks is obvious, and you are entitled to feel however you want...but you are infinitely more knowledgeable about the groups you identify as than "Blacks"...so every once in a while I just ask a question to see if you're as forthright in your opinion about your group as you are of others. When you are not, makes your opinions about others seem hollow.


You can believe I have contempt for all blacks if you want but it's not the case. And it hasn't been my intention to come across that way. I work with several black people and get along with them fine.

Its liberals I have contempt for and that's why I've taken many blacks to task on voting for Democrats. Especially when most of them are Christian and so much of the Democrat party platform goes against that. And, no, I do not accept the explanation you gave for why this is so. It's hypocritical to worship one way on Sunday and then vote the opposite later that week.

But I say the same thing about white liberal Christians. Especially those who have thrown out one piece of doctrine after another to keep up with the times and be politically correct.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 05:22 AM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague

First, I don't know why I'm obligated to comment on the Jeffs situation. Just because I dont comment, don't assume I'm avoiding anything. In hindsight, maybe I should have so I could correct your assumptions in that thread rather than you bringing it up here. And this isn't the first time you've played that card. In other threads you have brought up the Mormon Church as some kind of counterpoint when it's usually been irrelevant. If you got something to say, say it, but at least have your facts right.

Second, the contempt I have is for straight Democratic ticket voters, whatever color they are and what Obama was calling for in his DNC speech. Especially those who whine about Trump but then have the nerve to turn around and vote for someone even worse.



Ivy,

I can count numerous times when you make comments about what"Blacks" SHOULD be doing, or questioning why "Blacks" vote this way or that way or "blindly follow" Obama.

When you make numerous comments patronizing or questioning what "other groups" do, people assume that you have as much "expertise" about your group as you seemingly have about others. If I made multiple posts about what Utahns are doing wrong, when threads or topic involving New Jersey came up, people would be waiting so hear my take...and would notice if I didn't comment.

Your contempt towards Blacks is obvious, and you are entitled to feel however you want...but you are infinitely more knowledgeable about the groups you identify as than "Blacks"...so every once in a while I just ask a question to see if you're as forthright in your opinion about your group as you are of others. When you are not, makes your opinions about others seem hollow.


"When they go low, we go high" - Michelle Obama
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 09:12 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan

"When they go low, we go high" - Michelle Obama


Keep parroting that stupid broad all you want. It only reminds everyone how ridiculous you are.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 09:35 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan

"When they go low, we go high" - Michelle Obama


Keep parroting that stupid broad all you want. It only reminds everyone how ridiculous you are.



michelle obama has degrees from princeton university and harvard law school

you're mad at michelle obama and she's not running for office
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 01:48 PM

Ivy is NOT a racist, I could assure you of that. He is devoted to his church and is a fine researcher. To say anything else to the contrary is just plain stupid. Furthermore, Ivy is not saying he hates ALL democrats because he knows that is a stereotype. He doesn't like what the progressive liberals are doing. That's his opinion. I am a Democrat and I get along with him fine.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 03:36 PM

@Dino,

Whether Ivy is or isn't racist isn't of any concern to me.I wrote that his contempt for Blacks is obvious and it's a pattern I've seen before where people are quite vocal about the shortcomings,faults,pathology of OTHER groups but conspicuously quiet about negative aspects or stories about THEIR own group.

I guess it's like how people who smoke are used to the smell and aren't aware of how they (and their homes) smell to nonsmokers.

Also, not sure how anyone can tell who is or isn't a racist. How would you know whether I am a racist or not? I could be typing this reply wearing a "k.ill whitey" t shirt for all you know. I'm not wearing that t-shirt, btw...(not today)
smile
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
@Dino,

Whether Ivy is or isn't racist isn't of any concern to me.I wrote that his contempt for Blacks is obvious and it's a pattern I've seen before where people are quite vocal about the shortcomings,faults,pathology of OTHER groups but conspicuously quiet about negative aspects or stories about THEIR own group.

I guess it's like how people who smoke are used to the smell and aren't aware of how they (and their homes) smell to nonsmokers.

Also, not sure how anyone can tell who is or isn't a racist. How would you know whether I am a racist or not? I could be typing this reply wearing a "k.ill whitey" t shirt for all you know. I'm not wearing that t-shirt, btw...(not right now)
smile


"My group" hasn't been the topic of discussion in the threads you're talking about, despite you attempting to interject it as some type of diversionary tactic. And once again, it's liberals that I go after. But many blacks vote liberal, unfortunately, despite being Christian. It's an ideology and voting pattern issue, not a race one. You can keep trying to make it skin color issue but that just puts you in the company of cookcounty, OakAsFan, and SC.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 04:37 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
@Dino,

Whether Ivy is or isn't racist isn't of any concern to me.I wrote that his contempt for Blacks is obvious and it's a pattern I've seen before where people are quite vocal about the shortcomings,faults,pathology of OTHER groups but conspicuously quiet about negative aspects or stories about THEIR own group.

I guess it's like how people who smoke are used to the smell and aren't aware of how they (and their homes) smell to nonsmokers.

Also, not sure how anyone can tell who is or isn't a racist. How would you know whether I am a racist or not? I could be typing this reply wearing a "k.ill whitey" t shirt for all you know. I'm not wearing that t-shirt, btw...(not today)
smile


First, I have a history with Ivy and have had much dialog with him. Personally, I have contempt for blacks who often get out of line...but I have contempt for whites who get out of line, hispanics who get out of line or any other group of people who get out of line. Call me a racist, but our penal institutions are dominated by African Americans, right? Is there racism in this country? Sure there is. But instead of bitching and moaning about it, go out and prove people wrong. I have plenty of black professional friends who are humiliated by how their people act and how they conduct their lives which is similar to how I feel when a white guy pulls a Columbine or Virginia Tech type incident. There are good and bad in all races.

Here's one for you: My family came here from Italy without anything. Did they have their hands out for government benefits? NO. When they were thrown out of churches, they built their own. When they were thrown out of Steel Mills for being Italian, they opened their own businesses. The same with Jews (who had it way worse than Blacks)...yet blacks are the biggest drain on our government welfare system? Why is that? You got a woman with 3 baby daddy collecting welfare and habitually getting pregnant? When is enough enough? Spending their welfare checks on booze and cigarettes (I'm glad my state finally cut that shit out). Blacks feel entitled because they were slaves, how come Italians and Jews don't hold onto the past discrimination? It's called making a change for the better, something "most" blacks aren't even considering. Let Uncle Sam continue paying for my babies out of wedlock while I sit on my fat ass and collect a check. I'm sure you know a few sistas who do this on a monthly basis.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 04:50 PM

Ivy,

in the thread that YOU started about "mass incarceration being a myth"....I mentioned that despite what your point was, that some states were rethinking their mand. min. laws and laws regarding drug possession offenses. I noted that YOUR state had scaled back and changed the penalties for drug offenses.

Was thinking that you could have some insight on why they decided to do this. Seems as though your home state passing those laws counters your points . . The move to strike or lower mand. minimum drug sentences is being taken up from state to state. That is passed in Utah must puzzle you. I hardly think you could blame "liberals" for that, which is why I think you didn't weigh in or comment.
Posted By: RollinBones

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 05:03 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
The same with Jews (who had it way worse than Blacks)..

lol i've read it all on here man i swear
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 05:07 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti


First, I have a history with Ivy and have had much dialog with him. Personally, I have contempt for blacks who often get out of line...but I have contempt for whites who get out of line, hispanics who get out of line or any other group of people who get out of line. Call me a racist, but our penal institutions are dominated by African Americans, right? Is there racism in this country? Sure there is. But instead of bitching and moaning about it, go out and prove people wrong. I have plenty of black professional friends who are humiliated by how their people act and how they conduct their lives which is similar to how I feel when a white guy pulls a Columbine or Virginia Tech type incident. There are good and bad in all races.

Here's one for you: My family came here from Italy without anything. Did they have their hands out for government benefits? NO. When they were thrown out of churches, they built their own. When they were thrown out of Steel Mills for being Italian, they opened their own businesses. The same with Jews (who had it way worse than Blacks)...yet blacks are the biggest drain on our government welfare system? Why is that? You got a woman with 3 baby daddy collecting welfare and habitually getting pregnant? When is enough enough? Spending their welfare checks on booze and cigarettes (I'm glad my state finally cut that shit out). Blacks feel entitled because they were slaves, how come Italians and Jews don't hold onto the past discrimination? It's called making a change for the better, something "most" blacks aren't even considering. Let Uncle Sam continue paying for my babies out of wedlock while I sit on my fat ass and collect a check. I'm sure you know a few sistas who do this on a monthly basis.


You're SURE I know a few sistas who collect welfare?
hehehehehe hilarious. I was with you until that part.Agreed with half of what you wrote until then. Now what does any of that have to do with what I wrote?

You are doing what Ivy does. namely addressing Black pathology TO Black members of this forum directly .. As if I am out there robbing banks and moving keys. You're SURE I know sistas collecting welfare. wow! and YOU'RE vouching that someone else isn't a racist. double wow!

Your immigrant story is like that of every other other immigrant family including that of my father coming here not speaking the language over 40 years .

You guys have to listen to yourselves. Like I said...smokers don't know they smell like smoke.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 05:38 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
The same with Jews (who had it way worse than Blacks)...yet blacks are the biggest drain on our government welfare system? Why is that? You got a woman with 3 baby daddy collecting welfare and habitually getting pregnant? When is enough enough? Spending their welfare checks on booze and cigarettes (I'm glad my state finally cut that shit out). Blacks feel entitled because they were slaves, how come Italians and Jews don't hold onto the past discrimination? It's called making a change for the better, something "most" blacks aren't even considering. Let Uncle Sam continue paying for my babies out of wedlock while I sit on my fat ass and collect a check. I'm sure you know a few sistas who do this on a monthly basis.


You're not going to ignore all the white people on 'welfare' in this country, are you?

In the US more whites receive welfare than blacks. While a higher percentage of the overall black population gets welfare, there are still many more whites 'taking' than blacks.


You mentioned Jews. Now, I don't know where you live, but if you lived in the NY tri state you'd likely be aware of the enormous amount of welfare fraud committed by Haredi Jews. Welfare is a lifestyle in their community, and it's been going on for ages. Look into Kiryas Joel NY, Williamsburg, Monroe NY, or Lakewood NJ.






Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 06:15 PM

I wasn't insulting you in the least bit. I'm Caucasian and I know "many" sistas collecting welfare sitting on their fat asses. I'm sure as an African American male, you know some too. When you turn around a statement and immediately call it racist, that's just plain wrong. I call em like I see em.

Take the prison census out of the equation and let's focus on unemployment, those collecting government benefits and the amount of teenage pregnancies. Why do blacks lead in all 3 categories? Furthermore, you do realize that it was your own people who sold you to white plantation farmers, correct? Blacks cry racism every fucking chance they get. Somebody should put a fucking bullet in Al Sharpton's head, the piece of shit that he is. Until you demonstrate that what blacks went through compared to what Jews went through, you don't have a leg to stand on. And instead of crying the ethnicity/religious card, Jews went out a worked harder than most and made something of themselves. Italians were spit on but they didn't bitch and extend their hand out for welfare.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 07:42 PM

Quote:
They have same interest in it as any other citizen of America.

Or are you saying minorities (btw, which American minorities are you speaking of: Latinos, Blacks, Jews, Asians, etc?) think differently than the majority? I'm unclear here.


Any minority. Including an Irish person that overstays their visa, gets money under the table, doesn't pay taxes and becomes an unnecessary burden on the state - and there are a lot of them.

Irish, Italian, English, German, Somalian, Mexican. Doesn't matter to me.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 07:45 PM

Is it fair to say that the only reason the Clinton's are still together is because Hillary has serious dirt on Bill and she is using Bill to further her own political career?

That's got to be a loveless marriage like.

The only reason anyone pays her any attention is because of her pervert husband's cult of personality.

What did she achieve while in the senate? Nothing!
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 07:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Quote:
They have same interest in it as any other citizen of America.

Or are you saying minorities (btw, which American minorities are you speaking of: Latinos, Blacks, Jews, Asians, etc?) think differently than the majority? I'm unclear here.


Any minority. Including an Irish person that overstays their visa, gets money under the table, doesn't pay taxes and becomes an unnecessary burden on the state - and there are a lot of them.

Irish, Italian, English, German, Somalian, Mexican. Doesn't matter to me.


We have citizens that are minorities. Perhaps you mean illegal aliens?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Ivy,

in the thread that YOU started about "mass incarceration being a myth"....I mentioned that despite what your point was, that some states were rethinking their mand. min. laws and laws regarding drug possession offenses. I noted that YOUR state had scaled back and changed the penalties for drug offenses.

Was thinking that you could have some insight on why they decided to do this. Seems as though your home state passing those laws counters your points . . The move to strike or lower mand. minimum drug sentences is being taken up from state to state. That is passed in Utah must puzzle you. I hardly think you could blame "liberals" for that, which is why I think you didn't weigh in or comment.


Just because something is passed in my state, it doesn't necessarily mean it passes muster with me. If I marched to the tune of everything Utah does I'd be a Republican. Anyway, I'm definitely for mandatory minimums, especially because we have too many judges who give slaps on the wrist. And I have no problem with drug users I'm prison, especially if they're repeat offenders. I've worked with people going through drug court, and treatment can be a valid option the first time around, but sometimes they need a wake up call.

And I do blame liberals in the overall sense of them being weaker on crime and the ones usually wanting drugs legalized.

Originally Posted By: RollinBones
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
The same with Jews (who had it way worse than Blacks)..

lol i've read it all on here man i swear


It's not really a contest but he is right, the Jews have had it harder than anyone throughout history.

Originally Posted By: helenwheels

You're not going to ignore all the white people on 'welfare' in this country, are you?

In the US more whites receive welfare than blacks. While a higher percentage of the overall black population gets welfare, there are still many more whites 'taking' than blacks.


True enough but that's bound to happen when whites make up over 75% of the population.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Is it fair to say that the only reason the Clinton's are still together is because Hillary has serious dirt on Bill and she is using Bill to further her own political career?

That's got to be a loveless marriage like.

The only reason anyone pays her any attention is because of her pervert husband's cult of personality.

What did she achieve while in the senate? Nothing!


Moe, you look different! Changed your avatar I see.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 08:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Is it fair to say that the only reason the Clinton's are still together is because Hillary has serious dirt on Bill and she is using Bill to further her own political career?

That's got to be a loveless marriage like.

The only reason anyone pays her any attention is because of her pervert husband's cult of personality.

What did she achieve while in the senate? Nothing!


Unfortunately this country seems to be moving more and more to the left. That someone like Hillary could even be in the running after 8 years of Obama is frightening. But that's what you get when you have enough idiots in this country that will vote for a party that parades a rapist and adulterer (Bill Clinton), a child killing whore bragging about her abortion (NARAL president Ilyse Hogue), and a mentally ill man masquerading as a woman (Tim McBride). I'm not saying one has to vote Republican but you really have to be an amoral piece of shit to vote Democrat in this day and age. How long before we see the President of NAMBLA on stage at a Democratic National Convention?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 10:36 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: getthesenets
@Dino,

Whether Ivy is or isn't racist isn't of any concern to me.I wrote that his contempt for Blacks is obvious and it's a pattern I've seen before where people are quite vocal about the shortcomings,faults,pathology of OTHER groups but conspicuously quiet about negative aspects or stories about THEIR own group.

I guess it's like how people who smoke are used to the smell and aren't aware of how they (and their homes) smell to nonsmokers.

Also, not sure how anyone can tell who is or isn't a racist. How would you know whether I am a racist or not? I could be typing this reply wearing a "k.ill whitey" t shirt for all you know. I'm not wearing that t-shirt, btw...(not today)
smile


First, I have a history with Ivy and have had much dialog with him. Personally, I have contempt for blacks who often get out of line...but I have contempt for whites who get out of line, hispanics who get out of line or any other group of people who get out of line. Call me a racist, but our penal institutions are dominated by African Americans, right? Is there racism in this country? Sure there is. But instead of bitching and moaning about it, go out and prove people wrong. I have plenty of black professional friends who are humiliated by how their people act and how they conduct their lives which is similar to how I feel when a white guy pulls a Columbine or Virginia Tech type incident. There are good and bad in all races.

Here's one for you: My family came here from Italy without anything. Did they have their hands out for government benefits? NO. When they were thrown out of churches, they built their own. When they were thrown out of Steel Mills for being Italian, they opened their own businesses. The same with Jews (who had it way worse than Blacks)...yet blacks are the biggest drain on our government welfare system? Why is that? You got a woman with 3 baby daddy collecting welfare and habitually getting pregnant? When is enough enough? Spending their welfare checks on booze and cigarettes (I'm glad my state finally cut that shit out). Blacks feel entitled because they were slaves, how come Italians and Jews don't hold onto the past discrimination? It's called making a change for the better, something "most" blacks aren't even considering. Let Uncle Sam continue paying for my babies out of wedlock while I sit on my fat ass and collect a check. I'm sure you know a few sistas who do this on a monthly basis.


When you go low, we go high. - M.O.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 11:14 PM

You are actually going to continuously post that, why not just ignore it


"This will be on the 10 dollar bill in 50 years, after Michelle has served her two terms as president."

Don't drink the bong water
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/29/16 11:46 PM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
You are actually going to continuously post that, why not just ignore it


"This will be on the 10 dollar bill in 50 years, after Michelle has served her two terms as president."

Don't drink the bong water


It's those kind of posts that make me think OakAsFan is just a troll who doesn't really believe what he's saying. Nobody is that delusional.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 04:27 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
You are actually going to continuously post that, why not just ignore it


"This will be on the 10 dollar bill in 50 years, after Michelle has served her two terms as president."

Don't drink the bong water




It's those kind of posts that make me think OakAsFan is just a troll who doesn't really believe what he's saying. Nobody is that delusional.


Am I making you mad little boy? This has been a bad week for you, hasn't it? Your political opponents have a positive message that is resonating throughout the country. It's like kryptonite to you. I'm enjoying your melt downs. You're like a kid stomping and crying because nobody will take you seriously. Keep doing it, please. It's fun to watch.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 04:31 AM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
You are actually going to continuously post that, why not just ignore it


"This will be on the 10 dollar bill in 50 years, after Michelle has served her two terms as president."

Don't drink the bong water


Why do you have one of the most iconic stoner movie characters ever in your profile pic while having such a nerdy attitude toward weed in general? You seem very confused.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 04:34 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
You are actually going to continuously post that, why not just ignore it


"This will be on the 10 dollar bill in 50 years, after Michelle has served her two terms as president."

Don't drink the bong water




It's those kind of posts that make me think OakAsFan is just a troll who doesn't really believe what he's saying. Nobody is that delusional.


Am I making you mad little boy? This has been a bad week for you, hasn't it? Your political opponents have a positive message that is resonating throughout the country. It's like kryptonite to you. I'm enjoying your melt downs. You're like a kid stomping and crying because nobody will take you seriously. Keep doing it, please. It's fun to watch.


What "positive message" is that, shit-for-brains? Your party rigged the system so Hillary could beat Crazy Bernie. Then they parade a bunch of degenerates and scumbags on stage, including mothers of criminals who attacked cops (forgot to mention them earlier.) You have Obama get up there and tell us that Hillary is the "most qualified" to be president and yet just 8 years ago one of his ads said "she'd say anything and do nothing." What's changed since then? These aren't meltdowns. There correct observations you have no answer to.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 04:39 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
You are actually going to continuously post that, why not just ignore it


"This will be on the 10 dollar bill in 50 years, after Michelle has served her two terms as president."

Don't drink the bong water




It's those kind of posts that make me think OakAsFan is just a troll who doesn't really believe what he's saying. Nobody is that delusional.


Am I making you mad little boy? This has been a bad week for you, hasn't it? Your political opponents have a positive message that is resonating throughout the country. It's like kryptonite to you. I'm enjoying your melt downs. You're like a kid stomping and crying because nobody will take you seriously. Keep doing it, please. It's fun to watch.


What "positive message" is that, shit-for-brains? Your party rigged the system so Hillary could beat Crazy Bernie. Then they parade a bunch of degenerates and scumbags on stage, including mothers of criminals who attacked cops (forgot to mention them earlier.) You have Obama get up there and tell us that Hillary is the "most qualified" to be president and yet just 8 years ago one of his ads said "she'd say anything and do nothing." What's changed since then? These aren't meltdowns. There correct observations you have no answer to.


Your anger makes me smile. Please, don't stop. Ever.

Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 11:53 AM

^ C U Next Tuesday! She needs to go. What kind of woman lets her douchebag husband humiliate her in front of the world? When push comes to shove, it will be like the Sopranos episode when Phil threatens Lorraine the first time around. But because of her husbands previous affairs, Putin knows she doesnt know how to suck a dick and he would just shoot her. She's weak and useless. Just like her supporters. Let's continue to send our kids to college for useless degrees. Don't worry about student loan debt because now four year degrees will be paid for. By who?
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 12:21 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
[quote=thedudeabides87]
Why do you have one of the most iconic stoner movie characters ever in your profile pic while having such a nerdy attitude toward weed in general? You seem very confused.


Nerdy? I support legalization and between you and me in my apt my brother has weed and get this a bong, I have never called the police madness I know.

I choose not to smoke and I have reasons so no I am not confused. You seem to be a little confused about how someone can make personal choices and not condemn a lifestyle.

I do appreciate that you found good in a positive message since a little while back you would not condemn violence against individuals going to a Trump rally just attempted to find a moral equivalent, you've come a long way. But that will never be on the 10 dollar bill and will be more than likely forgotten in 50 years.

"Don't drink the bong water" is a quote from Joe Dirt.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 02:33 PM

@Dino,
Nice rant. You threw everything at me...even Al Sharpton?
You sounded like the late Sam Kinison.
"You really seem to care.About what I have no idea."

You express a very limited viewpoint and perspective.

I am trying to figure out the scenarios where a "White" guy whose family has been here for generations would have welfare recipients of another race in his circle or on his radar.

Only one that makes sense is if you own property and rent to "sistas on welfare" but then you wouldn't be biting the hand that feeds you.

The other scenarios involve you working or living among the poorest of the poor which would partially explain your limited scope of Black people. Would also explain some of the anger you've shown in this thread.

Gotta ask yourself, who are you really angry at....these lowlife Black people that you mentioned, or at the life choices you've made that seemingly puts you in such close contact with them?


Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 03:22 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


Just because something is passed in my state, it doesn't necessarily mean it passes muster with me. If I marched to the tune of everything Utah does I'd be a Republican. Anyway, I'm definitely for mandatory minimums, especially because we have too many judges who give slaps on the wrist. And I have no problem with drug users I'm prison, especially if they're repeat offenders. I've worked with people going through drug court, and treatment can be a valid option the first time around, but sometimes they need a wake up call.

And I do blame liberals in the overall sense of them being weaker on crime and the ones usually wanting drugs legalized.


ok. The thing is, prohibition didn't work and prison sentences or mand. min as a deterrent has not worked.

I don't think we have to throw up our hands and give up, but the measures used in the past haven't worked...if the aim was to curb, reduce or eliminate alcohol or drug use.That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Utah is hardly a liberal stronghold, so when you start seeing states like that revising their sentencing policies, that's an indication that the old policies aren't working.

I mentioned in the "Heroin overdose" thread in another section of the board that it was easy to convince society to "lock them away and throw away the key" when the public face of drug users was Black/Brown people in the ghetto. Drug use has permeated all segments of society in a very public way. Harder to convince the general public to "lock them all up for good" when the faces reflect people they can relate to. Again, this is not just my opinion. People have been OD'ing on heroin for decades. The purity is stronger now and the zip codes of the victims are different, so the L.E. response is different. Cops in the tri-state area (NY,NJ,CT) carry heroin rescue kits now.
I made a joke that the Don of Detroit from the GF was wrong!!!

There is going to be more and more public support for the reduction of drug sentences as the public face of drug users changes.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 03:27 PM

Ivy you realize people are able to separate their politics from their religion, right? Not everyone is so scared of "liberal fags."
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
^ C U Next Tuesday! She needs to go. What kind of woman lets her douchebag husband humiliate her in front of the world? When push comes to shove, it will be like the Sopranos episode when Phil threatens Lorraine the first time around. But because of her husbands previous affairs, Putin knows she doesnt know how to suck a dick and he would just shoot her. She's weak and useless. Just like her supporters. Let's continue to send our kids to college for useless degrees. Don't worry about student loan debt because now four year degrees will be paid for. By who?


Ah, another uneducated hater trying to demean people with degrees in order to feel better about themselves. It's nobody's fault but your own that your life sucks, except maybe your parents. Stop blaming Hillary, Obama, and people that went to college for your problems. It's pathetic.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
[quote=thedudeabides87]
Why do you have one of the most iconic stoner movie characters ever in your profile pic while having such a nerdy attitude toward weed in general? You seem very confused.


Nerdy? I support legalization and between you and me in my apt my brother has weed and get this a bong, I have never called the police madness I know.

I choose not to smoke and I have reasons so no I am not confused. You seem to be a little confused about how someone can make personal choices and not condemn a lifestyle.

I do appreciate that you found good in a positive message since a little while back you would not condemn violence against individuals going to a Trump rally just attempted to find a moral equivalent, you've come a long way. But that will never be on the 10 dollar bill and will be more than likely forgotten in 50 years.

"Don't drink the bong water" is a quote from Joe Dirt.


Why do you keep telling me about your brother? Do you have some kind of family issues you're trying to resolve in here, or something?
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 05:05 PM

Oak is trying to devolve this into a 7th grade level peer pressure name calling contest. "You support legalization of weed but you're not a pot head? Well your a nerd!! Ha ha nerd!" "Only nerds read books". Haha
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Oak is trying to devolve this into a 7th grade level peer pressure name calling contest. "You support legalization of weed but you're not a pot head? Well your a nerd!! Ha ha nerd!" "Only nerds read books". Haha


Bringing back painful memories?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 05:27 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


Just because something is passed in my state, it doesn't necessarily mean it passes muster with me. If I marched to the tune of everything Utah does I'd be a Republican. Anyway, I'm definitely for mandatory minimums, especially because we have too many judges who give slaps on the wrist. And I have no problem with drug users I'm prison, especially if they're repeat offenders. I've worked with people going through drug court, and treatment can be a valid option the first time around, but sometimes they need a wake up call.

And I do blame liberals in the overall sense of them being weaker on crime and the ones usually wanting drugs legalized.


ok. The thing is, prohibition didn't work and prison sentences or mand. min as a deterrent has not worked.

I don't think we have to throw up our hands and give up, but the measures used in the past haven't worked...if the aim was to curb, reduce or eliminate alcohol or drug use.That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Utah is hardly a liberal stronghold, so when you start seeing states like that revising their sentencing policies, that's an indication that the old policies aren't working.

I mentioned in the "Heroin overdose" thread in another section of the board that it was easy to convince society to "lock them away and throw away the key" when the public face of drug users was Black/Brown people in the ghetto. Drug use has permeated all segments of society in a very public way. Harder to convince the general public to "lock them all up for good" when the faces reflect people they can relate to. Again, this is not just my opinion. People have been OD'ing on heroin for decades. The purity is stronger now and the zip codes of the victims are different, so the L.E. response is different. Cops in the tri-state area (NY,NJ,CT) carry heroin rescue kits now.
I made a joke that the Don of Detroit from the GF was wrong!!!

There is going to be more and more public support for the reduction of drug sentences as the public face of drug users changes.


You're coming from a purely deterrence standpoint. That's a secondary concern to me. My primary concern is about justice. Like when people argue that the death penalty isn't a deterrence for crime (and that's debatable). Whether it is or isn't, putting a murderer to death is justice.

And once again, prohibition hasn't worked because it hasn't been enforced right. Like I said, you start wiping out those involved in the drug trade both here and elsewhere, you'll see a difference. But people don't have the stomach for it and you'd have the usual suspects (liberals) gravitating towards criminals, as they've always done, and whining about their rights, us becoming a police state, or other BS. As if the scourge of drugs, or legalized drugs, is somehow more preferable.

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Ivy you realize people are able to separate their politics from their religion, right? Not everyone is so scared of "liberal fags."


I realize one can't do that and still be morally or intellectually consistent. It's why I take self-professed Christians to task when they're pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage. If you claim to believe and worship one way but then go vote another, you're a hypocrite who's religion doesn't mean that much no matter how much mental gymnastics you use to justify it.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan

Your anger makes me smile. Please, don't stop. Ever.


I don't care enough about you to be angry. You're an annoyance. And I'm still not convinced whether you really are just another stupid liberal who's amoral enough to vote for Hillary Clinton or a troll who's putting on an act because he has nothing better to do.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


1)You're coming from a purely deterrence standpoint. That's a secondary concern to me. My primary concern is about justice. Like when people argue that the death penalty isn't a deterrence for crime (and that's debatable). Whether it is or isn't, putting a murderer to death is justice.

And once again, prohibition hasn't worked because it hasn't been enforced right. Like I said, you start wiping out those involved in the drug trade both here and elsewhere, you'll see a difference. But people don't have the stomach for it and you'd have the usual suspects (liberals) gravitating towards criminals, as they've always done, and whining about their rights, us becoming a police state, or other BS. As if the scourge of drugs, or legalized drugs, is somehow more preferable.



2)I realize one can't do that and still be morally or intellectually consistent. It's why I take self-professed Christians to task when they're pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage. If you claim to believe and worship one way but then go vote another, you're a hypocrite who's religion doesn't mean that much no matter how much mental gymnastics you use to justify it.


1)No, prohibition of alcohol failed because people are going to drink alcohol no matter what the govt. does. Drug policy is failing because people are going to procure and use drugs no matter what the govt. does.

In countries where people can be executed for possession....people still try to procure and use drugs. It's impractical to think that you can eliminate the desire for drugs by squeezing out the dealers or the distribution channels. What about prescription drug abuse?



2)
Ivy,
I know a few people who are Mormons but do not know the intricacies of what the tenets of that faith are, but I know that you've explicitly says that it falls under the umbrella of Christianity.
I do understand Christianity in general, and your tone, your choice of words, the manner which you debate people here are NOT Christian-like. How do you speak about moral consistency with a straight face after having carried yourself the way you do here?


Also...there's a difference between living by a certain set of beliefs and thinking that EVERYBODY else has to live by those beliefs.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


1)You're coming from a purely deterrence standpoint. That's a secondary concern to me. My primary concern is about justice. Like when people argue that the death penalty isn't a deterrence for crime (and that's debatable). Whether it is or isn't, putting a murderer to death is justice.

And once again, prohibition hasn't worked because it hasn't been enforced right. Like I said, you start wiping out those involved in the drug trade both here and elsewhere, you'll see a difference. But people don't have the stomach for it and you'd have the usual suspects (liberals) gravitating towards criminals, as they've always done, and whining about their rights, us becoming a police state, or other BS. As if the scourge of drugs, or legalized drugs, is somehow more preferable.



2)I realize one can't do that and still be morally or intellectually consistent. It's why I take self-professed Christians to task when they're pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage. If you claim to believe and worship one way but then go vote another, you're a hypocrite who's religion doesn't mean that much no matter how much mental gymnastics you use to justify it.


1)No, prohibition of alcohol failed because people are going to drink alcohol no matter what the govt. does. Drug policy is failing because people are going to procure and use drugs no matter what the govt. does.

In countries where people can be executed for possession....people still try to procure and use drugs. It's impractical to think that you can eliminate the desire for drugs by squeezing out the dealers or the distribution channels. What about prescription drug abuse?



2)
Ivy,
I know a few people who are Mormons but do not know the intricacies of what the tenets of that faith are, but I know that you've explicitly says that it falls under the umbrella of Christianity.
I do understand Christianity in general, and your tone, your choice of words, the manner which you debate people here are NOT Christian-like. How do you speak about moral consistency with a straight face after having carried yourself the way you do here?


Also...there's a difference between living by a certain set of beliefs and thinking that EVERYBODY else has to live by those beliefs.


Will there always be some who try to sell or buy drugs? Of course. But I believe swiftly executing drug traffickers on a wide scale would stop most of the trade.

This might surprise you but one can be hard on crime, justice-oriented, and speak out harshly against things that are evil while being Christian.

You're not the first person on these forums to take a rather simplistic approach when it comes to Christianity. For example, when I've advocated being tough on crime in the past, it's not been uncommon for someone to say, "Well wait, wasn't Jesus all about mercy and forgiveness?" Of course, going with that logic, we may as well do away with all police, courts, and prisons and every criminal gets automatic forgiveness. As if mercy can rob justice. Of course, these people miss the point of Christianity completely. They're often the ones who think that, because Jesus was "nice," that must mean He is OK with whatever you do.

Now, that said, I'll admit I let my temper get the better of me at times and don't always use the language I should. But it gets tiring seeing where this country is going and how many "call good evil and evil good."
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan

Why do you keep telling me about your brother? Do you have some kind of family issues you're trying to resolve in here, or something?


First time I mentioned him you personally 2nd time ever, Gets was the last first time. Gets this you?

I have a perfectly good relationship with him, we live together no problems thank you for the concern

You crack me up troll I answered you question and you come with some troll remark go play in traffic.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague

First, I don't know why I'm obligated to comment on the Jeffs situation. Just because I dont comment, don't assume I'm avoiding anything. In hindsight, maybe I should have so I could correct your assumptions in that thread rather than you bringing it up here. And this isn't the first time you've played that card. In other threads you have brought up the Mormon Church as some kind of counterpoint when it's usually been irrelevant. If you got something to say, say it, but at least have your facts right.

Second, the contempt I have is for straight Democratic ticket voters, whatever color they are and what Obama was calling for in his DNC speech. Especially those who whine about Trump but then have the nerve to turn around and vote for someone even worse.



Ivy,

I can count numerous times when you make comments about what"Blacks" SHOULD be doing, or questioning why "Blacks" vote this way or that way or "blindly follow" Obama.

When you make numerous comments patronizing or questioning what "other groups" do, people assume that you have as much "expertise" about your group as you seemingly have about others. If I made multiple posts about what Utahns are doing wrong, when threads or topic involving New Jersey came up, people would be waiting so hear my take...and would notice if I didn't comment.

Your contempt towards Blacks is obvious, and you are entitled to feel however you want...but you are infinitely more knowledgeable about the groups you identify as than "Blacks"...so every once in a while I just ask a question to see if you're as forthright in your opinion about your group as you are of others. When you are not, makes your opinions about others seem hollow.


You can believe I have contempt for all blacks if you want but it's not the case. And it hasn't been my intention to come across that way. I work with several black people and get along with them fine.

Its liberals I have contempt for and that's why I've taken many blacks to task on voting for Democrats. Especially when most of them are Christian and so much of the Democrat party platform goes against that. And, no, I do not accept the explanation you gave for why this is so. It's hypocritical to worship one way on Sunday and then vote the opposite later that week.

But I say the same thing about white liberal Christians. Especially those who have thrown out one piece of doctrine after another to keep up with the times and be politically correct.



The only reason you get along with the blacks u work with is because you're scared to tell them how you really feel about them

There ain't enough blacks in Utah for you to know what black people are doing or how they think
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87


First time I mentioned him you personally 2nd time ever, Gets was the last first time. Gets this you?



absolutely not me. I'm one in a million..which means that there are 1,000 people like me in China. smile
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets


absolutely not me.


Didn't think so

Originally Posted By: getthesenets

I'm one in a million..which means that there are 1,000 people like me in China. smile


lol
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 08:01 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Oak is trying to devolve this into a 7th grade level peer pressure name calling contest. "You support legalization of weed but you're not a pot head? Well your a nerd!! Ha ha nerd!" "Only nerds read books". Haha


Bringing back painful memories?


Not at all. You're the one on here trying to inflict your past traumas through a forum. You're the kind of geek and coward to run behind the teacher in school when you mouth gets you into trouble. What kind of man cries to a moderator and hits report when someone accuses him of something. LoL
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague

Will there always be some who try to sell or buy drugs? Of course. But I believe swiftly executing drug traffickers on a wide scale would stop most of the trade.

This might surprise you but one can be hard on crime, justice-oriented, and speak out harshly against things that are evil while being Christian.

You're not the first person on these forums to take a rather simplistic approach when it comes to Christianity. For example, when I've advocated being tough on crime in the past, it's not been uncommon for someone to say, "Well wait, wasn't Jesus all about mercy and forgiveness?" Of course, going with that logic, we may as well do away with all police, courts, and prisons and every criminal gets automatic forgiveness. As if mercy can rob justice. Of course, these people miss the point of Christianity completely. They're often the ones who think that, because Jesus was "nice," that must mean He is OK with whatever you do.

Now, that said, I'll admit I let my temper get the better of me at times and don't always use the language I should. But it gets tiring seeing where this country is going and how many "call good evil and evil good."


If capital punishment is going to be used for crimes there a few that go before drug dealing...namely the violation of kids and women.

Death penalty will never be used strictly for drug dealing offenses here and even saying that is an option is unrealistic and a waste of time.

Americans tend to be practical people so we'll explore other options as we alter the current failing drug laws.


And completely not attempting to be sacrilegious, what alcohol gets banned? Does wine get banned?*

*you get the reference.

I respect your comments about use of language.

Not once did you read me write that being hard on crime, speaking out for justice, or speaking against things that are "evil" are not Christian-like.
My comments are about different things than what others may have pointed out in the past.

Different denominations, theological schools of thought, individual interpretations, and even different versions and translations of the Book that ties it all together, BUT I was taught that the way a person lives,thinks and carries himself is what defines him as a Christian.

I respect people of any faith who try to stay true to what their version of the truth is, so I can respect Christians who stand up for their beliefs.

The thing is, I live in a metro area with people of all different backgrounds, faiths or not, political views or not. People around here work and live among other decent human beings who have different sets of personal beliefs than they do. More important that they are decent human beings and good citizens than what they believe or don't. I think that's why you'll find a more liberal progressive slant in some of these diverse areas. Voting in ways that don't limit the life choices of other decent human beings don't prevent or preclude you from living by your own personal or religious code.

I'm not sure that believers in the "Bible belt" are more devout or devoted than believers in major metro areas, but I think the diverse populations and experiences influence the differences in voting patterns.

I've also written that, if a person is truly....truly against evil and religious inconsistency..you cannot overlook the history of these major religious denominations during the 20th century and the fight against legal discrimination. It's all documented..the stances or silence that these Christian organizations took when children of God were fighting against actual evil. You seem to think that this is irrelevant, but it absolutely is. In that era and before then, the governing bodies of these religious groups were completely inconsistent with the spirit of Christianity and it's on the public record. Hard to argue against that,Ivy. Lot of fake Christians in the history of this country and more importantly, people who were NOT decent human beings

. And like I wrote before, these things would definitely have an impact on people voting to not restrict the freedoms/rights of other decent human beings while living by their own set of beliefs.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 08:29 PM

Mormons welcomed slavery into their state. Also, pretty sure Joseph Smith instituted polygamy because he felt like fucking tons of women.

True Christains.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 08:37 PM

At the end of the day, Ivy, your views all stem from a (ridiculous) book.

People that view gays as "degenerates" just aren't worth debating. There is no room for counter arguments because of how your views are formed.

I mean, look at your discussion of the penal system. You call it "justice." Justice is subjective -- you understand that, right? Your opinion on what Justice is, and isn't, is just that -- your opinion. You want harsher sentences not for results or practiciality or rehabilitation, but because YOU think it is deserved. Well, wup-de-fucking-doo. It isn't just up to you. People have differing beliefs. This is decided by laws based a democratic mandate. You and your six million Mormon weirdos can voice your opinion. The other 300 plus million will voice theirs. You won't win. Sorry!
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 08:49 PM

On the Mormons when Sandy hit there was a big truck full of Mormons trying to clean up right near my daughter beach front house in Bell Harbour.

I did not see a truck load of gays there trying to help anybody.

Maybe they left before I got there.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 08:54 PM

Gays dont need to be in a truckload together to help people. They are integrated with the community. Fucking nonsense.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 10:24 PM

I still missed all the gays helping maybe they were too busy fucking
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 10:45 PM

What a shock. Footreads is talking about gay sex again. His favorite topic.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/30/16 10:47 PM

Does Ivy really live in Utah? Popular destination for recovering addicts, born again types.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 12:58 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague

First, I don't know why I'm obligated to comment on the Jeffs situation. Just because I dont comment, don't assume I'm avoiding anything. In hindsight, maybe I should have so I could correct your assumptions in that thread rather than you bringing it up here. And this isn't the first time you've played that card. In other threads you have brought up the Mormon Church as some kind of counterpoint when it's usually been irrelevant. If you got something to say, say it, but at least have your facts right.

Second, the contempt I have is for straight Democratic ticket voters, whatever color they are and what Obama was calling for in his DNC speech. Especially those who whine about Trump but then have the nerve to turn around and vote for someone even worse.



Ivy,

I can count numerous times when you make comments about what"Blacks" SHOULD be doing, or questioning why "Blacks" vote this way or that way or "blindly follow" Obama.

When you make numerous comments patronizing or questioning what "other groups" do, people assume that you have as much "expertise" about your group as you seemingly have about others. If I made multiple posts about what Utahns are doing wrong, when threads or topic involving New Jersey came up, people would be waiting so hear my take...and would notice if I didn't comment.

Your contempt towards Blacks is obvious, and you are entitled to feel however you want...but you are infinitely more knowledgeable about the groups you identify as than "Blacks"...so every once in a while I just ask a question to see if you're as forthright in your opinion about your group as you are of others. When you are not, makes your opinions about others seem hollow.


You can believe I have contempt for all blacks if you want but it's not the case. And it hasn't been my intention to come across that way. I work with several black people and get along with them fine.

Its liberals I have contempt for and that's why I've taken many blacks to task on voting for Democrats. Especially when most of them are Christian and so much of the Democrat party platform goes against that. And, no, I do not accept the explanation you gave for why this is so. It's hypocritical to worship one way on Sunday and then vote the opposite later that week.

But I say the same thing about white liberal Christians. Especially those who have thrown out one piece of doctrine after another to keep up with the times and be politically correct.



The only reason you get along with the blacks u work with is because you're scared to tell them how you really feel about them

There ain't enough blacks in Utah for you to know what black people are doing or how they think


I get along with the ones I work with because they're NOT like you. You do realize, cook, you're a classic example of the stereotypical black. Fortunately, they're not all like that.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 01:12 AM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague

Will there always be some who try to sell or buy drugs? Of course. But I believe swiftly executing drug traffickers on a wide scale would stop most of the trade.

This might surprise you but one can be hard on crime, justice-oriented, and speak out harshly against things that are evil while being Christian.

You're not the first person on these forums to take a rather simplistic approach when it comes to Christianity. For example, when I've advocated being tough on crime in the past, it's not been uncommon for someone to say, "Well wait, wasn't Jesus all about mercy and forgiveness?" Of course, going with that logic, we may as well do away with all police, courts, and prisons and every criminal gets automatic forgiveness. As if mercy can rob justice. Of course, these people miss the point of Christianity completely. They're often the ones who think that, because Jesus was "nice," that must mean He is OK with whatever you do.

Now, that said, I'll admit I let my temper get the better of me at times and don't always use the language I should. But it gets tiring seeing where this country is going and how many "call good evil and evil good."


If capital punishment is going to be used for crimes there a few that go before drug dealing...namely the violation of kids and women.

Death penalty will never be used strictly for drug dealing offenses here and even saying that is an option is unrealistic and a waste of time.

Americans tend to be practical people so we'll explore other options as we alter the current failing drug laws.


And completely not attempting to be sacrilegious, what alcohol gets banned? Does wine get banned?*

*you get the reference.

I respect your comments about use of language.

Not once did you read me write that being hard on crime, speaking out for justice, or speaking against things that are "evil" are not Christian-like.
My comments are about different things than what others may have pointed out in the past.

Different denominations, theological schools of thought, individual interpretations, and even different versions and translations of the Book that ties it all together, BUT I was taught that the way a person lives,thinks and carries himself is what defines him as a Christian.

I respect people of any faith who try to stay true to what their version of the truth is, so I can respect Christians who stand up for their beliefs.

The thing is, I live in a metro area with people of all different backgrounds, faiths or not, political views or not. People around here work and live among other decent human beings who have different sets of personal beliefs than they do. More important that they are decent human beings and good citizens than what they believe or don't. I think that's why you'll find a more liberal progressive slant in some of these diverse areas. Voting in ways that don't limit the life choices of other decent human beings don't prevent or preclude you from living by your own personal or religious code.

I'm not sure that believers in the "Bible belt" are more devout or devoted than believers in major metro areas, but I think the diverse populations and experiences influence the differences in voting patterns.

I've also written that, if a person is truly....truly against evil and religious inconsistency..you cannot overlook the history of these major religious denominations during the 20th century and the fight against legal discrimination. It's all documented..the stances or silence that these Christian organizations took when children of God were fighting against actual evil. You seem to think that this is irrelevant, but it absolutely is. In that era and before then, the governing bodies of these religious groups were completely inconsistent with the spirit of Christianity and it's on the public record. Hard to argue against that,Ivy. Lot of fake Christians in the history of this country and more importantly, people who were NOT decent human beings

. And like I wrote before, these things would definitely have an impact on people voting to not restrict the freedoms/rights of other decent human beings while living by their own set of beliefs.


I agree as far as there being too much silence on the part of many Christians from slavery to segregation.


Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Mormons welcomed slavery into their state. Also, pretty sure Joseph Smith instituted polygamy because he felt like fucking tons of women.

True Christains.


There were approximately two dozen slaves in all the Utah territory. It was never really an issue here, before or after 1862.

And you're pulling nonsense out of your ass about the polygamy issue. Jumping to conclusions and/or simply regurgitating what you've heard.

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
At the end of the day, Ivy, your views all stem from a (ridiculous) book.

People that view gays as "degenerates" just aren't worth debating. There is no room for counter arguments because of how your views are formed.

I mean, look at your discussion of the penal system. You call it "justice." Justice is subjective -- you understand that, right? Your opinion on what Justice is, and isn't, is just that -- your opinion. You want harsher sentences not for results or practiciality or rehabilitation, but because YOU think it is deserved. Well, wup-de-fucking-doo. It isn't just up to you. People have differing beliefs. This is decided by laws based a democratic mandate. You and your six million Mormon weirdos can voice your opinion. The other 300 plus million will voice theirs. You won't win. Sorry!


It's funny how you assume 300 million people agree with you. And not all Mormons would agree with me. I'm not speaking for all them, much less the Church itself, when I talk about the criminal justice system and the drug trade.

And, since we both know how your views on the "ridiculous book" you speak of were formed - simply regurgitating what you've heard while never reading it yourself - there's no use even addressing your comment.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 03:27 AM

cook, ive been on a couple of years now, and remember how you and pb used to go around, it was very interesting, you spoke your mind- nothing wrong with that, recently you have been called a stereotypical black by a poster, I don't think you are that way at all, some people don't like blacks to speak their mind.
it speaks to me as mind set of the kkk, keep speaking your mind cook!! your posts are as good as anyone elses.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 04:14 AM

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Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 05:12 AM

I happen to think stereotypical blacks are cool.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 06:34 AM

You have no idea what cool is even if you fell into a refrigerator. Like the black lives matter group are cool right?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 07:36 AM

Ah, a stereotypical mental patient has joined the discussion.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 07:46 AM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Oak is trying to devolve this into a 7th grade level peer pressure name calling contest. "You support legalization of weed but you're not a pot head? Well your a nerd!! Ha ha nerd!" "Only nerds read books". Haha


Bringing back painful memories?


Not at all. You're the one on here trying to inflict your past traumas through a forum. You're the kind of geek and coward to run behind the teacher in school when you mouth gets you into trouble. What kind of man cries to a moderator and hits report when someone accuses him of something. LoL


I wasn't about to let someone here claim that I was someone else. I don't know what kind of trouble the person I was being falsely identified as got into in the past. That's one line I draw, that and an actual threat to my real identity. That good enough for you, "So Cal Gangs"? lo. What's with your name, anyway? You don't seem to post a lot about Southern California gangs, or provide any insight. You really from the streets? You said before you're Latino. I have my suspicions.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 02:39 PM

PITTSBURGH, Pa. - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton toured the U.S. Rust Belt on Saturday, promising to reject bad international trade deals during a factory visit and securing the endorsement of investor Mark Cuban at a Pittsburgh rally.

The Dallas Mavericks owner, who said as recently as last month that there was a "good chance" he would vote for Donald Trump, instead criticized the Republican nominee's leadership in front of an energetic crowd.

"Leadership is not yelling and screaming and intimidating," Cuban said.

"You know what we call a person like that in Pittsburgh? A jagoff!" Cuban added, using disparaging Pittsburgh slang.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Oak is trying to devolve this into a 7th grade level peer pressure name calling contest. "You support legalization of weed but you're not a pot head? Well your a nerd!! Ha ha nerd!" "Only nerds read books". Haha


Bringing back painful memories?


Not at all. You're the one on here trying to inflict your past traumas through a forum. You're the kind of geek and coward to run behind the teacher in school when you mouth gets you into trouble. What kind of man cries to a moderator and hits report when someone accuses him of something. LoL


I wasn't about to let someone here claim that I was someone else. I don't know what kind of trouble the person I was being falsely identified as got into in the past. That's one line I draw, that and an actual threat to my real identity. That good enough for you, "So Cal Gangs"? lo. What's with your name, anyway? You don't seem to post a lot about Southern California gangs, or provide any insight. You really from the streets? You said before you're Latino. I have my suspicions.


My name is kind of odd. Didn't expect to post here when I first registered.
I don't post a lot on StreetGangs because this isn't a forum about street gangs. I came here to learn about LCN.

You could be suspicious all you want. I guess I'd have to act like a "stereotypical Latino" to impress you.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 05:47 PM

Get your Trump score, everyone.

I bet Ivy scores the highest.

https://freetrumpscore.com/
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Get your Trump score, everyone.

I bet Ivy scores the highest.

https://freetrumpscore.com/


That was cute, thank you. I scored 589.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 06:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Get your Trump score, everyone.

I bet Ivy scores the highest.

https://freetrumpscore.com/


That was cute, thank you. I scored 589.


I'm 648. I was hoping I would score the lowest. Being white, male, and born in America keeps me above 600, I guess. He still summarizes me as "A very bad person, sad". So I have that going for me.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 08:13 PM

559 - YOU ARE THE WORST PERSON
Projected fate: ROUGHED UP


Being female must really skew it low. And the hands.




NFL Says Donald Trump Is Full Of Shit; League Never Sent Him Letter About Debate Schedule

http://deadspin.com/nfl-says-donald-trump-is-full-of-shit-never-sent-lette-1784589912
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 08:42 PM

Trump vows Putin is ‘not going into Ukraine’ — two years after Russia annexed Crimea


Stephanopoulos pressed Trump on his foreign policy positions that, if elected, would serve in Putin’s interest, including softening the GOP’s platform toward Putin’s annexation of Crimea, which Ukraine still claims rights to.

The Trump campaign removed language promising to provide Ukraine with weapons necessary to defend itself against Russian advances.

“Yeah. I was not involved in that. I’d like to– I’d have to take a look at it. But I was not involved in it,” Trump responded. “They softened it, I heard. But I was not involved.
Stephanopoulos pointed out “they took away the part of the platform calling for provision of lethal weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves. Why is that a good idea?”

Trump then responded he “has his own ideas.”

“He’s not going into Ukraine, okay, just so you understand,” Trump responded. “He’s not gonna go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want.”

Stephanopoulos then pointed out that Putin is “already there” and noted Trump had said he’d consider recognizing Russia’s annexation of Crimea if he were elected president.

Trump said he’d “take a look at” the Russian take-over of Crimea but then made a pro-Kremlin talking point.

“But you know, the people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were,” Trump said. “And you have to look at that, also. Now, that was under– just so you understand, that was done under Obama’s administration.”


https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/trump-v...annexed-crimea/
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 07/31/16 10:16 PM

@ivyleague

you show grow some balls and just say you don't like black people

it's okay, alot of people don't


@binniecoll


you said the same thing a few years ago and i appreciated it then just like now
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/01/16 02:55 AM

ty cook.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/01/16 03:34 AM

Doesn't matter who wins, we SCREWED either way.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/01/16 05:41 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@ivyleague

you show grow some balls and just say you don't like black people

it's okay, alot of people don't


@binniecoll


you said the same thing a few years ago and i appreciated it then just like now


Cook, we don't always agree on things, but I appreciate your contribution too. People don't always have to agree, that's what keeps the conversation going.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/01/16 06:54 PM

Sorry fellas, but Cook has been trolling since I joined the site.

I can't speak on anything from before then, but since I've been here there are a handful of guys who troll and try to bait people into responding in kind and Cook is one of those guys.

Jokes are jokes, and we can all benefit from being more lighthearted but certain kind of trolling really brings out the worst in people.

I've read some of Cook's non trolling posts and he puts up some good stuff about Chi....first or second hand info in fact, but it's overshadowed by the trolling. People take the bait and threads derail right away.


no more trolling


Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/02/16 03:04 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) — The uproar over Donald Trump's criticism of a bereaved Army family put vulnerable GOP senators in a tight spot, underscoring anew the political challenges created for Republicans by their newly minted presidential nominee. And with the general election campaign now squarely underway, the firestorm over Trump's attacks on the Khan family is likely just a taste of trials to come as Republicans negotiate how closely to align with their volatile nominee.

Senate Republicans running for re-election weighed in one after another Monday to condemn Trump's repeated attacks on the parents of slain U.S. Army Capt. Humayun Khan, with former prisoner of war Sen. John McCain of Arizona leading the charge. And in an op-ed Tuesday, a New York congressman became the first House Republican to announce that he would vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton.

McCain issued a lengthy statement insisting that Trump has no right "to defame those who are the best among us" and pleading: "I hope Americans understand that the remarks do not represent the views of our Republican Party, its officers, or candidates."

Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa said Trump's comments "are not in line with my own beliefs about how the members of the military and their families should be treated."

Sen. Richard Burr of North Carolina said that "Captain Khan is an American hero in every sense of the term and the Khans deserve our sincerest gratitude."
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/02/16 04:03 PM

Be surprised to know exactly how stupid John Mc Cain really is.

Yes what trump said on Twitter was stupid. I think he is losing his mind for comming up with shit like that.

Do you know what Democrates said about the mother of the hero that died in Bengazi. No one is talking about because the media wants the old [BadWord] to win. Hilary's people called her a liar and other things. Hillary is smart because she says nothing and does no interviews.

I like when the father of the dead muslems whips out the constitution who's idea was that his? I wonder if he has read it.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 02:12 AM

@getsennets

If you're black....some of us were in the field and some of us were in the house

People say repugnant things and I respond
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 03:33 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@getsennets

If you're black....some of us were in the field and some of us were in the house

People say repugnant things and I respond


Cook,
Do you know who Nat Turner was? If so, go look up the story of the Haitian Revolution and then come back here and repeat the field/house comment to me again.....with a straight face.

And before you make a slick comment, you do know who founded the trading post that eventually became Chicago, right?

Anyway,in the modern era, the ones who have the spirit of the "fields" are the ones who walk with their heads held high , who are out here making the community better and challenging the system EFFECTIVELY.

If you are following this thread....dude wrote something I found repugnant and I responded. Didn't troll, didn't throw insults, didn't post silly stuff. It wasn't hard, and if there is a ever a response...I got something for that too.

Anyway, wasn't insulting you,Cook...just calling it like I see it and asking you to step your game up.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 04:32 AM

Na na na, you insulted him a little bit...
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 04:36 AM

Yep, no doubt the Clinton campaign put the Khans up to this. Are Trump supporters mad because they did it or mad because it worked so easily? They put a Muslim out there to insult Trump, and he can't help himself.

"why wasn't the wife talking? She probably wasn't allowed to".

lol. He's just so easy.

Trump has the high ground on Iraq because Clinton actually voted for the war. All he had to do was play it that way, but he just can't help himself.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 07:24 AM

This is the first post you have made that I agree with. It might be his age he is tweeting himself into losing the election.

If he stuck to the economy and to stopping the flow of illegal immigration into the country he would win. Even not putting liberals on the Supreme Court.

But he can't stick to that and destroying Isis.

i think he is finished but between him and Hillary I would still vote for trump.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 08:07 AM

Now the Trump train has really pulled into Stupidville. Trump shill Katrina Pierson said Obama's policies are to blame for Humayun Khan's death. Relevant: Khan died in 2004, before Obama was even in the senate, much less the White House.

https://twitter.com/CNNSitRoom/status/760651965172899840
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 09:57 AM

That Obama is a powerful man. From the Illinois Senate he was able to influence national policy. No wonder he became President.


Don’t ever underestimate the powers of a man who had to foresight to doctor his own birth certificate moments after emerging from the womb.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 10:24 AM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets

If you are following this thread....dude wrote something I found repugnant and I responded. Didn't troll, didn't throw insults, didn't post silly stuff. It wasn't hard, and if there is a ever a response...I got something for that too.


Well admittedly I do say dumb things and from time to time need to be put in my place it has happened on the forum before and will most likely happen again.

I do try and treat everyone with respect so if you are talking about:
Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
Gets this you?


I wasn't seriously really just joking I knew it wasn't you apologies for not making that clear with ky original post. If that isn't what you are talking about I will go through the thread try and find it I miss post or responses people right sometimes.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 12:29 PM

Dude......
I'm sorry for not being clear.
I said that dude wrote something....as in "that dude" Dino.....not as in "the dude" or "Dude". I capitalize member names usually.

I apologize for not clarifying. Was trying to point something out to Cook without being childish and calling out Dino, but as a result it looks like I was trying to insult you. Never that.By not trying to troll, I ended up trolling by accident. I'm Sorry.

Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 12:39 PM

Dude

Cook pulled the "Uncle Tom" card on me, so I rushed my response..and it backfired!!!! smile Most Black people flip out when you call them a Tom.




Again, sorry Dude. I should have been clearer
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 02:26 PM

Oh gotcha my bad lol overly sensitive I guess
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 04:06 PM

Wait a minute they had to look back 12 yrs ago to find the one Moslem who died for our country. The mother still is in so much grief that she could not talk about her son bullshit. What has the father being doing here for the last 12 years?
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Wait a minute they had to look back 12 yrs ago to find the one Moslem who died for our country. The mother still is in so much grief that she could not talk about her son bullshit. What has the father being doing here for the last 12 years?


Uh, living? What have you been doing?
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 04:30 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
[quote=thedudeabides87]You are actually going to continuously post that, why not just ignore it


"This will be on the 10 dollar bill in 50 years, after Michelle has served her two terms as president."

Don't drink the bong water
[/



It's those kind of posts that make me think OakAsFan is just a troll who doesn't really believe what he's saying. Nobody is that delusional.


Am I making you mad little boy? This has been a bad week for you, hasn't it? Your political opponents have a positive message that is resonating throughout the country. It's like kryptonite to you. I'm enjoying your melt downs. You're like a kid stomping and crying because nobody will take you seriously. Keep doing it, please. It's fun to watch.


What "positive message" is that, shit-for-brains? Your party rigged the system so Hillary could beat Crazy Bernie. Then they parade a bunch of degenerates and scumbags on stage, including mothers of criminals who attacked cops (forgot to mention them earlier.) You have Obama get up there and tell us that Hillary is the "most qualified" to be president and yet just 8 years ago one of his ads said "she'd say anything and do nothing." What's changed since then? These aren't meltdowns. There correct observations you have no answer to.


Your anger makes me smile. Please, don't stop. Ever.





you're a real cutey pie, aren't ya? its obvious you get hard thinking about Ivy...does he make you all moist in your pants?
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@ivyleague

you show grow some balls and just say you don't like black people

it's okay, alot of people don't


@binniecoll


you said the same thing a few years ago and i appreciated it then just like now


Ivy doesn't like you cook...you've been putting words in his mouth for years now...and i'll bet you 10-1 that Ivy is more successful in his professional life than you are...do you work or take handouts?
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@ivyleague

you show grow some balls and just say you don't like black people

it's okay, alot of people don't


@binniecoll


you said the same thing a few years ago and i appreciated it then just like now


Ivy doesn't like you cook...you've been putting words in his mouth for years now...and i'll bet you 10-1 that Ivy is more successful in his professional life than you are...do you work or take handouts?


Bets on something no one can prove, on a place where no one can pay. Nice.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 05:29 PM

Everyone is young, handsome and rich on the Internet....
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@ivyleague

you show grow some balls and just say you don't like black people

it's okay, alot of people don't


@binniecoll


you said the same thing a few years ago and i appreciated it then just like now


Ivy doesn't like you cook...you've been putting words in his mouth for years now...and i'll bet you 10-1 that Ivy is more successful in his professional life than you are...do you work or take handouts?


Bets on something no one can prove, on a place where no one can pay. Nice.


It's not hard to figure out that Ivy is much more successful than cookcounty, you could see it in their writing styles alone. cook knows the truth.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
That Obama is a powerful man. From the Illinois Senate he was able to influence national policy. No wonder he became President.


Don’t ever underestimate the powers of a man who had to foresight to doctor his own birth certificate moments after emerging from the womb.


Never underestimate this Anti-Christ character.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 07:14 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti


you're a real cutey pie, aren't ya? its obvious you get hard thinking about Ivy...does he make you all moist in your pants?




Whaa?

How can I get hard and get moist in my pants, considering the latter is obviously a reference to a woman being turned on?
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti


you're a real cutey pie, aren't ya? its obvious you get hard thinking about Ivy...does he make you all moist in your pants?




Whaa?

How can I get hard and get moist in my pants, considering the latter is obviously a reference to a woman being turned on?


you tell me.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 07:31 PM

No, far-from-Dean Martin, you own your pathetic burn fail.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 07:33 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
No, far-from-Dean Martin, you own your pathetic burn fail.





I could see you're getting moist again, have you taken your daily dose of midol? Do you practice wolfbagging?
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
No, far-from-Dean Martin, you own your pathetic burn fail.





when was the last time you had a sour apple smoothie?
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/03/16 11:30 PM

Republican officials are exploring how to handle a scenario that would be unthinkable in a normal election year: What would happen if the party's presidential nominee dropped out?

ABC News has learned that senior party officials are so frustrated — and confused — by Donald Trump's erratic behavior that they are exploring how to replace him on the ballot if he drops out.

So how would it work?

First, Trump would have to voluntarily exit the race. Officials say there is no mechanism for forcing him to withdraw his nomination. (Trump has not given any indications that he no longer wants to be his party's nominee.)

Then it would be up to the 168 members of the Republican National Committee to choose a successor, though the process is complicated.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 01:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Wait a minute they had to look back 12 yrs ago to find the one Moslem who died for our country. The mother still is in so much grief that she could not talk about her son bullshit. What has the father being doing here for the last 12 years?


Foot,

It wasn't just that he was a Moslem who died in combat for the U.S., his background and the way he died made him the ideal guy to use to counter Trump's comments.

College ROTC guy(officer) who died preventing a suicide bomber from killing the soldiers under his command. Only way his story could have been a better counter would have been if he was a West Point graduate.


I will say that you have a point about the time frame. I assumed he was recently deceased. Parents aren't supposed to bury their children though, so I don't think it's something they will ever get over.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 02:03 AM

Oli,

I heard the story about that scenario. I've been wrong about EVERY call I made about Trump's campaign. He said that he could shoot somebody in broad daylight and not lose any popularity/support. Facts seem to support that claim, so I can't see what could have happened in the past 2 weeks that would call for him to drop out.

Maybe they are afraid about how the debates will turn out.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 02:50 AM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Wait a minute they had to look back 12 yrs ago to find the one Moslem who died for our country. The mother still is in so much grief that she could not talk about her son bullshit. What has the father being doing here for the last 12 years?


Foot,

It wasn't just that he was a Moslem who died in combat for the U.S., his background and the way he died made him the ideal guy to use to counter Trump's comments.

College ROTC guy(officer) who died preventing a suicide bomber from killing the soldiers under his command. Only way his story could have been a better counter would have been if he was a West Point graduate.


I will say that you have a point about the time frame. I assumed he was recently deceased. Parents aren't supposed to bury their children though, so I don't think it's something they will ever get over.



Someone tell me what makes his death more important than the rest of our hero's who passed away serving their country?
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 03:29 AM

Mignon,

I don't think any sacrifice of life in service is more important than any other.

For the purposes that his story was used at the DNC, there are reasons why he was chosen over other fallen military men of his religion and Middle Eastern background.

The reason this man's story was chosen to be presented at the DNC was to help counter growing anti-Moslem sentiment in general and some of Trump's comments specifically.

I have buddies who served and they've always said "gold" always gets more love than "green". That officers/gold actions and deaths get more coverage than enlisted men/green. I have buddies who are from both "colors".


Awarded Purple Heart and fell preventing the deaths of those under his command. His life wasn't more valuable, but his story is more marketable though.



I didn't think anything would "stick" to Trump, but this story and his reaction to the parents might cause people to recall his tasteless comments about John McCain and put him in an unfavorable light.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 05:34 AM

I hope Donald Trump NEVER drops out. In fact, if there's a way that he could be the GOP nominee every four years for the rest of his life, that would be just fine.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I hope Donald Trump NEVER drops out. In fact, if there's a way that he could be the GOP nominee every four years for the rest of his life, that would be just fine.


That statement says it all...thank you kindly Oak fan. Much appreciated
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 02:18 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I hope Donald Trump NEVER drops out. In fact, if there's a way that he could be the GOP nominee every four years for the rest of his life, that would be just fine.


Funny I am an old man retired and have a ton of free time on my hands to watch all this stuff.

But you your not old in fact I think you are a young teen. What's a matter no girl hunting for you? Hen I was a kid I didn't waste my time on this shit I was looking for pussy and money in that order.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 02:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I hope Donald Trump NEVER drops out. In fact, if there's a way that he could be the GOP nominee every four years for the rest of his life, that would be just fine.


Funny I am an old man retired and have a ton of free time on my hands to watch all this stuff.

But you your not old in fact I think you are a young teen. What's a matter no girl hunting for you? Hen I was a kid I didn't waste my time on this shit I was looking for pussy and money in that order.


That makes two of us. Any person who wishes Trump to be the nominee every four years tells me it's a millennial...the spoiled, lazy group of Americans who can't wipe their ass without Mommy holding the baby wipe.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 03:05 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I hope Donald Trump NEVER drops out. In fact, if there's a way that he could be the GOP nominee every four years for the rest of his life, that would be just fine.


Funny I am an old man retired and have a ton of free time on my hands to watch all this stuff.

But you your not old in fact I think you are a young teen. What's a matter no girl hunting for you? Hen I was a kid I didn't waste my time on this shit I was looking for pussy and money in that order.


That makes two of us. Any person who wishes Trump to be the nominee every four years tells me it's a millennial...the spoiled, lazy group of Americans who can't wipe their ass without Mommy holding the baby wipe.


Most Trump supporters aren't millennials. Everything you say is nonsense.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I hope Donald Trump NEVER drops out. In fact, if there's a way that he could be the GOP nominee every four years for the rest of his life, that would be just fine.


Funny I am an old man retired and have a ton of free time on my hands to watch all this stuff.

But you your not old in fact I think you are a young teen. What's a matter no girl hunting for you? Hen I was a kid I didn't waste my time on this shit I was looking for pussy and money in that order.


That makes two of us. Any person who wishes Trump to be the nominee every four years tells me it's a millennial...the spoiled, lazy group of Americans who can't wipe their ass without Mommy holding the baby wipe.


Most Trump supporters aren't millennials. Everything you say is nonsense.


Most Trump supporters in my neck of the woods most certainly are millennials...and pissed off Americans
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 07:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Hen I was a kid I didn't waste my time on this shit I was looking for pussy and money in that order.


And never found either, obviously.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
the spoiled, lazy group of Americans who can't wipe their ass without Mommy holding the baby wipe.


This makes you jealous considering your Mommy just left in you dirty diapers for weeks at a time.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 07:33 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
in my neck of the woods


Mental hospital.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 07:59 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
in my neck of the woods


Mental hospital.


Spoken like a Bay area Bastard...have a nice day
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 10:22 PM

Fox News host Sean Hannity says Republican leaders will be to blame if Donald Trump loses the presidential election.

The conservative pundit told listeners of his talk radio show on Wednesday that he was “sick and tired” of House Speaker Paul Ryan, Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and others who condemned Trump’s controversial criticism of the parents of a slain Muslim American soldier.

“If in 96 days Trump loses this election, I am pointing the finger directly at people like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham and John McCain,” Hannity said. “I have watched these Republicans be more harsh toward Donald Trump than they’ve ever been in standing up to Barack Obama and his radical agenda.

“They did nothing, nothing — all these phony votes to repeal and replace Obamacare, show votes so they can go back and keep their power and get reelected,” Hannity continued. “Sorry, you created Donald Trump, all of you. Because of your ineffectiveness, because of your weakness, your spinelessness, your lack of vision, your inability to fight Obama.”
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/04/16 10:40 PM

Yeah, I'm sure Hannity will be able to put his Hillary=Hitler format aside long enough to focus on Trump's GOP detractors.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/05/16 02:47 PM

That’s how Nate Terani, a Navy veteran from Arizona, greeted the woman at the front desk in Sen. John McCain’s office on Thursday afternoon. “Our military is one of the most diverse militaries in the world,” he continued. “Donald Trump has proved that he’s not fit to lead us.” Terani didn’t march in there alone. A handful of vets from around the country flew in to join him and deliver a petition with 100,000 signatures urging GOP leaders like McCain to un-endorse Trump for president. They had just wrapped up a rally outside, and now they were here to talk to the Arizona Republican directly ― or, at least, to his receptionist. Congress is out of session until September
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/05/16 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
in my neck of the woods


Mental hospital.


Spoken like a Bay area Bastard...have a nice day


Most people who know nothing about politics (people like you), think their neighborhood is an accurate microcosm for the country. Obviously, that isn't true.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics...y-Marist%20Poll


Clinton leads trump 41-9 with 18-29 year old voters.

To be fair to you, Dino, this is typical of the right wingers on this board. Research and facts aren't particularly important. Neither are actual policies. You can sum it up like this:

- Blacks are criminals
- Muslims are terrorists
- Hispanics are freeriders
- Liberals are stupid
- Transganders are freaks
- Gays are unnatural
- White men are the best!

Did I miss anything, guys?
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/05/16 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
in my neck of the woods


Mental hospital.


Spoken like a Bay area Bastard...have a nice day


Most people who know nothing about politics (people like you), think their neighborhood is an accurate microcosm for the country. Obviously, that isn't true.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics...y-Marist%20Poll


Clinton leads trump 41-9 with 18-29 year old voters.

To be fair to you, Dino, this is typical of the right wingers on this board. Research and facts aren't particularly important. Neither are actual policies. You can sum it up like this:

- Blacks are criminals
- Muslims are terrorists
- Hispanics are freeriders
- Liberals are stupid
- Transganders are freaks
- Gays are unnatural
- White men are the best!

Did I miss anything, guys?


I have to question the poll you sourced but I see your point. I am not a right winger, by any means.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/05/16 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy

Did I miss anything, guys?


Women belong in the kitchen
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/05/16 05:03 PM

Nate Silver: Hillary has better than 81% chance

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/05/16 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy

Did I miss anything, guys?


Women belong in the kitchen


lol

We really need a 'like' button
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/05/16 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy

Did I miss anything, guys?


Women belong in the kitchen


lol

We really need a 'like' button


No ... the bedroom or the back seat of my Camry.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/05/16 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy

Did I miss anything, guys?


Women belong in the kitchen


lol

We really need a 'like' button



Ok, I'm gonna put on my apron and go in the kitchen to make cookies!!! lol



TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/05/16 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy

Did I miss anything, guys?


Women belong in the kitchen


lol



We really need a 'like' button



Ok, I'm gonna put on my apron and go in the kitchen to make cookies!!! lol



TIS


Well TIS, it's about time.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 08:00 AM

The phoniness of it all makes me want to puke.

Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 08:18 AM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
You can sum it up like this:


Uh, no, what you type below is the liberal's standard lazy and dishonest characterization of conservatives.

Quote:
- Blacks are criminals


Well, yes, some are. In fact, blacks are way over-represented for many crimes relative to their percentage of the population. But if a conservative simply states this fact, liberals like yourself make them out to be the grand wizard of the KKK.

Quote:
- Muslims are terrorists


Again, yes, some are. In fact, in terms of terrorism, radical Muslims across the world far outnumber everyone else combined. Those who are supportive or sypathetic of extremists are estimated to be 15-20% of the Muslim population. A minority, yes, but by no means a small number either. But we can't point that out because it's politically incorrect. And to liberals, political correctness is infinitely more important than truth.

Quote:
- Hispanics are freeriders


Again, some are. Obviously, with respect to illegal aliens coming into the country and becoming dependent on government programs, the majority are from South of the border. And I say that while acknowledging that many of them work their fingers to the bone and aren't lazy by any means.

Quote:
- Liberals are stupid


Misguided is probably a more accurate way to say it.

Quote:
- Transganders are freaks


You deny this?

Quote:
- Gays are unnatural


You deny this?

Quote:
- White men are the best!


Who said this? You just love putting words in people's mouths huh? Like I said, lazy and dishonest.

Quote:
Did I miss anything, guys?


What you missed could fill a warehouse.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 04:36 PM

Back in May, O'Reilly interviewed Charles Krauthammer during which Charles stated that he thought Trump was unfit to handle the nuclear codes. However, just this week, Charles stated this:

"Trump’s hypersensitivity and unedited, untempered Pavlovian responses are, shall we say, unusual in both ferocity and predictability.

This is beyond narcissism. I used to think Trump was an 11-year-old, an undeveloped schoolyard bully. I was off by about 10 years. His needs are more primitive, an infantile hunger for approval and praise, a craving that can never be satisfied. He lives in a cocoon of solipsism where the world outside himself has value — indeed exists — only insofar as it sustains and inflates him."
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 04:42 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Those who are supportive or sypathetic of extremists are estimated to be 15-20% of the Muslim population.


lol.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 05:02 PM

fox news is ridulous,,,, o' reilly comes out and says the slaves who were hired to work on the white house were well fed?????????????? SLAVES ARENT HIRED THEY ARE SLAVES!!

I cant believe fox news, they are very disturbing people.
maybe after ailes things will change, maybe get rid of o'reilly and hannity, and have some thinkers aboard, they all live in 1954
they all seem to have that far-right sicko mentality.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Back in May, O'Reilly interviewed Charles Krauthammer during which Charles stated that he thought Trump was unfit to handle the nuclear codes. However, just this week, Charles stated this:

"Trump’s hypersensitivity and unedited, untempered Pavlovian responses are, shall we say, unusual in both ferocity and predictability.

This is beyond narcissism. I used to think Trump was an 11-year-old, an undeveloped schoolyard bully. I was off by about 10 years. His needs are more primitive, an infantile hunger for approval and praise, a craving that can never be satisfied. He lives in a cocoon of solipsism where the world outside himself has value — indeed exists — only insofar as it sustains and inflates him."


kudos to Charles Krauthammer, an honest man.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Yeah, I'm sure Hannity will be able to put his Hillary=Hitler format aside long enough to focus on Trump's GOP detractors.


https://media.giphy.com/media/26BRwamxCOGFehODe/giphy.gif
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 07:20 PM

I used to like McCain, and I do think pows are heros, they have to put up with a lot, true heroes all.

but, he should renounce trump for disrespecting pows
and taking so long to endorse him, I have no respect for john McCain any more it was his duty to speak for all pows, and rid himself of trump.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 08:44 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Those who are supportive or sypathetic of extremists are estimated to be 15-20% of the Muslim population.


lol.


What's so funny? We're not talking those who actually engage in terrorist attacks. Simply those who are supportive or sympathize with them. Considering that, 15-20% may very well be a conservative estimate.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 08:56 PM

Are polygamists freaks, too?
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 08:57 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Those who are supportive or sypathetic of extremists are estimated to be 15-20% of the Muslim population.


lol.


What's so funny? We're not talking those who actually engage in terrorist attacks. Simply those who are supportive or sympathize with them. Considering that, 15-20% may very well be a conservative estimate.


Do you have any evidence? Then we can analyze it. Not saying you're wrong, but lets start with some evidence to support your claims.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 09:09 PM

Yeah, that's how I feel about Italians. Remember when John Gotti got convicted, his henchmen caused a riot outside the Federal Building and when he beat a couple of other raps those Dagos were dancing in the street, shooting off fireworks, and partying. You just can't trust them; they stick together and support all kinds of murder and mayhem. We should round up all those Italians. Oh wait. I'm Italian.

Never mind.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 09:46 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


What's so funny?


Your bogus, made up numbers.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/06/16 10:12 PM

Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) is warning donors that the Republican party's House majority could be in jeopardy, according to The New York Times.

Ryan spoke in private last week to a group of donors at a political conference in Colorado sponsored by the industrialists Charles G. and David H. Koch.
During the conference, the speaker said donors shouldn't put their focus completely on retaining the Senate, and noted that Republican control of the House may also be at risk, the Times reported, citing a Republican who heard the talk.

There is reportedly growing concern among the party's biggest contributors over retaining control of Congress with Donald Trump as the party's nominee.

Democrats would need to pick up more than 30 House seats to take control. But according to the Times, Republicans are worried about a scenario in which they lose enough seats that Ryan is weakened and the party is on the defensive.

The Times report on Saturday painted a broad picture of Republicans worried about the impact of Trump on down-ballot races.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
We're not talking those who actually engage in terrorist attacks. Simply those who are supportive or sympathize with them. Considering that, 15-20% may very well be a conservative estimate.


Do you have any evidence? Then we can analyze it. Not saying you're wrong, but lets start with some evidence to support your claims.


http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-w...s-about-sharia/

http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/04/27/the-divide-over-islam-and-national-laws-in-the-muslim-world/
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 02:08 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


What's so funny?


Your bogus, made up numbers.


See the links Faithful posted above, asshat.
Posted By: SC

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 02:57 AM

C'mon. Stop the name calling. We gotta be better than the presidential candidates. wink
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 03:23 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
C'mon. Stop the name calling. We gotta be better than the presidential candidates. wink


SC, some of these Board members never learn.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 05:47 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
See the links Faithful posted above, asshat.


I did, they don't back up your argument.

You pulled those numbers out of your own ass hat.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 06:01 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
See the links Faithful posted above, asshat.


I did, they don't back up your argument.

You pulled those numbers out of your own ass hat.


No, I didn't. I've seen/heard them cited more than once.

And again, why are those numbers so hard to believe? Because they're not politically correct?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 06:06 AM

Because I looked over that entire page and couldn't find any evidence of your argument.

Furthermore, "extremism" is opinionated in the first place. Everyone has a different definition of extremism.

Your numbers were silly.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 06:09 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Because I looked over that entire page and couldn't find any evidence of your argument.

Furthermore, "extremism" is opinionated in the first place. Everyone has a different definition of extremism.

Your numbers were silly.


I'm talking about those in the Muslim world who believe terrorism is justified. If you think it's some infinitesimal number, you're kidding yourself.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 06:13 AM

No, you're talking about the percentage of Muslims that you believe support "extremism", and of course you're making shit up.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 06:16 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
No, you're talking about the percentage of Muslims that you believe support "extremism", and of course you're making shit up.


I just looked at those numbers and a disturbing amount of the Muslims polled do support extremism. It varies country to country of course. This is what Sam Harris is always referring to.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 06:24 AM

Newsflash:

There is nothing in any of the data provided that demonstrates what "extremism" actually is.

It's bullshit.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 06:27 AM

Nigerian Muslims -20% have a favorable view towards ISIS.


Quote:

In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say that these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.



Quote:

More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say that such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified in these circumstances.


Wow only 86% say suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians are never justified. Shouldn't it be atleast 99%.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 06:31 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Newsflash:

There is nothing in any of the data provided that demonstrates what "extremism" actually is.

It's bullshit.


You're just playing semantics now because the data, not to mention common sense, doesn't support your BS politically correct view of the world.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 06:44 AM

You're just playing semantics...

the data....

common sense.....

politically correct world....

Keep singing your sad song, Ivy.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 08:56 PM

It makes sense that a small minority in certain Sunni Muslim countries would support extremism, to be honest. I am not justifying it, but when your country is frequently bombed and droned, those feelings can develop.

I am sure Muslim support in America would be much, much lower. Not to mention Muslims in countries that aren't exploited and bombed.

I am not going to say a majority of Americans are bad people because a minority supports torture (which is a form of extremism, in my opinion) or because a majority suported a war of aggression in Iraq (where at least 300,000 civilians were killed, which is a low estimate). The only way to understand why Americans justify those actions is when you view things through a nationlistic prism (America brings freedom and democracy through bombs). When it becomes a good versus evil kind of thing, a lot of bad actions can be supported.

Also, what Olivant said. That was a good point.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 09:15 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
It makes sense that a small minority in certain Sunni Muslim countries would support extremism, to be honest. I am not justifying it, but when your country is frequently bombed and droned, those feelings can develop.

I am sure Muslim support in America would be much, much lower. Not to mention Muslims in countries that aren't exploited and bombed.

I am not going to say a majority of Americans are bad people because a minority supports torture (which is a form of extremism, in my opinion) or because a majority suported a war of aggression in Iraq (where at least 300,000 civilians were killed, which is a low estimate). The only way to understand why Americans justify those actions is when you view things through a nationlistic prism (America brings freedom and democracy through bombs). When it becomes a good versus evil kind of thing, a lot of bad actions can be supported.

Also, what Olivant said. That was a good point.


+1

Alot of this is has got worse because of US actions abroad should have never gone near the middle east but there is money there so there is always an interest when millions were getting slaughtered in Rwanda where was the US? no where because there is no money During the Balkan war of the 90s where was the US i know they eventually helped but they took there time thousands being killed UN stood and watched thousands of people get slaughter by the Serbian army of course thats not just US fault alot of those UN guys in Bosnia were actually dutch.

The invasion of Iraq was the worst but its not an isolated case backing rebels to kill Gaddafi in Libya now look at its a basket case 8 governments and now ISIS exists there thousands of refugees crossing over into Italy Europe gets stuck with US mistakes. Even the Syrian crisis your backing people you dont know with guns and training i know beating ISIS needs to be a priority but the people you guys are backing at the moment could be just as bad look at Afghanistan in the 80s US helped create Al Qeada and make the Taliban into a power because they were fighting the Russians. Stay out of Syria let Russia and Assad retake the country and beat ISIS maybe back the kurds but no one else you dont know who these people are. US never learns from its mistakes and everyone else gets stuck with the US faults.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/07/16 11:31 PM

Rep. Scott Rigell of Virginia became the second Republican member of Congress to break from party lines and endorse a candidate who is not his party's nominee.

Rigell told The New York Times on Saturday that he will be voting for Libertarian Party nominee and New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson instead of Republican nominee Donald Trump.

"I’ve always said I will not vote for Donald Trump and I will not vote for Hillary Clinton," Rigell told The Times. "I’m going to vote for the Libertarian candidate."
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 02:13 AM

WASHINGTON ― After a disastrous week for a Republican presidential nominee, you might have expected the party to circle the wagons and bring out its most prestigious leaders to defend their candidate, particularly in front of a friendly, conservative news outlet. Newt Gingrich did his best to defend Trump, and effectively attacked Hillary Clinton’s recent bizarre and false statements about her email scandal. But Gingrich also had to acknowledge that his candidate’s economic plan is nonsense. When host Chris Wallace asked whether Trump’s tax and spending plan adds up, Gingrich admitted the absurdity. “Of course not,” Gingrich said.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 03:00 AM

yes, if trump had a little substance about his plan to help the country, it might help, but, as yet I have heard nothing about how he is going to bring back jobs. the jobs that disappeared cant come back, you cant create steel mills out of nothing, its the rust belt now, [steeltowns] the advent of the computer took millions of jobs away, how can they come back?

even construction can never realize the number of employed it once had. wall street ruined that market, how is he going to bring jobs back?
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 03:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
yes, if trump had a little substance about his plan to help the country, it might help, but, as yet I have heard nothing about how he is going to bring back jobs. the jobs that disappeared cant come back, you cant create steel mills out of nothing, its the rust belt now, [steeltowns] the advent of the computer took millions of jobs away, how can they come back?

even construction can never realize the number of employed it once had. wall street ruined that market, how is he going to bring jobs back?


You know, I was listening to Michael Medved the other day and he reminded us that Reagan campaigned on a promise to bring the primacy of steel manufacturing back to the US. Of course, that didn't happen.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 05:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
yes, if trump had a little substance about his plan to help the country, it might help, but, as yet I have heard nothing about how he is going to bring back jobs. the jobs that disappeared cant come back, you cant create steel mills out of nothing, its the rust belt now, [steeltowns] the advent of the computer took millions of jobs away, how can they come back?

even construction can never realize the number of employed it once had. wall street ruined that market, how is he going to bring jobs back?


Trump has no idea how to create jobs, so he just makes stuff up, like blaming China for everything. But Hillary isn't any better. They'll both make the economy worse.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 05:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
yes, if trump had a little substance about his plan to help the country, it might help, but, as yet I have heard nothing about how he is going to bring back jobs. the jobs that disappeared cant come back, you cant create steel mills out of nothing, its the rust belt now, [steeltowns] the advent of the computer took millions of jobs away, how can they come back?

even construction can never realize the number of employed it once had. wall street ruined that market, how is he going to bring jobs back?


Trump has no idea how to create jobs, so he just makes stuff up, like blaming China for everything. But Hillary isn't any better. They'll both make the economy worse.


My thoughts exactly.

There's no way to get excited about either candidate. Not when it comes to the economy.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 09:44 AM

@socalgangs

more muslims disagree with terrorism than republicans do racism

yeah they aren't the same but both of them are hate driven


@ivyleague

u seem angry at the entire world
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 02:11 PM

Does anybody recall another election that was like this? Meaning, people aren't getting behind one candidate but rather standing against the other one?

I'm waiting for the dueling bumper stickers/buttons that read "Not Hillary" or "Not Trump".

Because of the nature of this election, candidates don't even have to sell themselves or their plans.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 02:19 PM

Bloomberg got a preview of the big economic policy speech the Donald's giving today:

He will repeal the estate tax.

He will cut the corporate tax rate by more than half, to 15%.

He’s expected to call for three income-tax brackets, down from the current seven.

He will revive the Keystone pipeline and kill the Paris climate agreement.

He will repeal Dodd-Frank, the post-crisis set of (fairly tepid) regulations, and “he will not propose any new financial regulations until the economy shows ‘significant growth.'"

He is expected to say that civil servants whose focus is job-killing regulation should be replaced with experts who would help create jobs.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 02:32 PM

That sounds pretty good to me. Then someone will ask him a question unrelated to that. Then he will feel he has to answer it and stick his foot in his mouth again.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 02:34 PM

Business loves certainly so they can plan in advance the further in the future the better.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 02:37 PM

How does his promising to repeal bills lend itself to certainty?

The Estate Tax doesn't need to be lowered. Current Federal exemption is 5.45 million for an individual, double that for couples. That's plenty. There are ways to minimize that cost, too.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 03:07 PM

Quote:
Trump is expected to say that civil servants whose focus is job-killing regulation should be replaced with experts who would help create jobs.




I don’t know why I torture myself by even reading the crap that comes outta Trump's mouth, but does he even know what Civil Service is? What they do? An he does realize you can’t just fire civil servants, right? Right?


And the estate tax is nonsense. Gets the proles all riled up thinking 'the gubmit' is gonna get their money', when they won't earn 5 million over their lifetime, never mind leave an estate worth more than that behind.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 03:22 PM

When you own property work 5 million you can leave it to your kids?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 03:26 PM

You know why the pipe line from Canada to here was never built. One of Obama and Clinton backers is warren Buffett. The oil from Canada is being moved by his railroad now.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 03:28 PM

This is for people filling a joint return. That will end under Clinton the money you saved what ever it is will be going to support Obama care.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
I don’t know why I torture myself by even reading the crap that comes outta Trump's mouth, but does he even know what Civil Service is? What they do? An he does realize you can’t just fire civil servants, right? Right?


And the estate tax is nonsense. Gets the proles all riled up thinking 'the gubmit' is gonna get their money', when they won't earn 5 million over their lifetime, never mind leave an estate worth more than that behind.


Politicians are magicians. Convince the proletariat that they speak for them or are acting on their behalf.

Reality is if you don't have powerful lobby pushing your interests/agenda, politicians don't care about you or have to.

Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 03:40 PM

Amen, gets, amen.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 03:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
When you own property work 5 million you can leave it to your kids?


It means if your net worth is smaller than 11 million (as a couple), you have nothing to worry about. The exemption for an individual is 5.45 million.

But there is also annual gifting ($14,000 for an individual, double for a couple) which doesn't count against against the $11 million lifetime exemption. And, most people worth considerable amounts are going to be using Trusts and other entities to grow their money. The current federal AFR is so low right now you can loan an asset to a trust, let it grow inside the trust (estate tax free), and use the profit to pay off the loan interest at no cost to yourself.

There are also states with smaller exemptions but Trump can't do anything about that.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 03:56 PM

Why most normal Americans give two fucks about Estate Taxation, I have no idea.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 04:27 PM

While it is convenient for candidates to use the phrase "I will", keep in mind that only the Congress can raise or lower taxes, and that regulations are subject to review, repeal, modification, or implementation by the Congress.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 05:49 PM

Both if trump gets elected.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 06:39 PM

People can argue about tax rates being lower or higher all they want but none of that matters except for how much the government spends. Neither candidate, as far as I know is planning to significantly cut spending.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 06:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
This is for people filling a joint return. That will end under Clinton the money you saved what ever it is will be going to support Obama care.


You mean health care. That's what Obamacare is. It's health care. It's health insurance. It's something most Americans need.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 07:54 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@socalgangs

more muslims disagree with terrorism than republicans do racism



Cook, I defend your right to share your opinion, but not just making shit up, throwing it against the wall to see if it'll stick. Do you have any sources to back that up or are you trolling?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Does anybody recall another election that was like this? Meaning, people aren't getting behind one candidate but rather standing against the other one?

I'm waiting for the dueling bumper stickers/buttons that read "Not Hillary" or "Not Trump".

Because of the nature of this election, candidates don't even have to sell themselves or their plans.


No, there hasn't been an a "voting against the other guy" presidential campaign that I'm aware of going back to McKinley.

I think there are "Never Hillary/Never Trump" stickers out there. I might even get one.

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Why most normal Americans give two fucks about Estate Taxation, I have no idea.


Estate taxes are a big deal for family owned farms, which America needs. Most people aren't aware of how small independent farmers are hurt by estate taxes. The land with farm buildings and equipment may be overvalued, but it's not something that there's a big demand to buy. So the estate tax forces the beneficiaries to come up with a ton of money to keep the farm. It's not a win by shutting down farms.

http://fortune.com/2015/04/13/death-tax-killing-american-family-farms/

Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Does anybody recall another election that was like this? Meaning, people aren't getting behind one candidate but rather standing against the other one?

I'm waiting for the dueling bumper stickers/buttons that read "Not Hillary" or "Not Trump".

Because of the nature of this election, candidates don't even have to sell themselves or their plans.


No, there hasn't been an a "voting against the other guy" presidential campaign that I'm aware of going back to McKinley.

I think there are "Never Hillary/Never Trump" stickers out there. I might even get one.

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Why most normal Americans give two fucks about Estate Taxation, I have no idea.


Estate taxes are a big deal for family owned farms, which America needs. Most people aren't aware of how small independent farmers are hurt by estate taxes. The land with farm buildings and equipment may be overvalued, but it's not something that there's a big demand to buy. So the estate tax forces the beneficiaries to come up with a ton of money to keep the farm. It's not a win by shutting down farms.

http://fortune.com/2015/04/13/death-tax-killing-american-family-farms/



So you do what everyone else with a brain does when you have over 11 million in assets - you buy life insurance. That provides the necessary liquidity to pay off an Estate Tax liability.

Besides, if you read your own evidence, you'd notice this:

"But as to the actual number of family farms hit by the estate tax, only 20 farms in 2013 paid estate taxes and no farms have been reported sold to pay off an estate tax debt."

So, yeah, let's turn off a couple billion dollar revenue stream because it ended up hurting zero people in 2013. Makes sense.

Listen, any business manager worth a grain of salt should be aware of Estate Tax issues at their death. That's how it is. It's fascinating to see rich people try and bring up the cause of small farmers to try and garner support for removing the Estate Tax. Remarkably cynical.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 08:22 PM

"Family farmers..."

Lol. I see this is a Paul Ryan talking point, not surprising. Does Paul Ryan give a fuck about farmers when he wants to destroy Social Security? What a prick.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 08:40 PM

In addition there are a number of ways built in to to help 'family farmers' (and BTW if you and your spouse are sitting on a farm worth in excess of $10 mil, good for you for being so well off. You're in the storied 1%).

There is an exemption that gives them a reduction of up to a million to bridge the gap between the value of their property at the "current use value" versus the "highest and best use value." Heirs also get 15 years to pay that 'family farm' estate tax off.


But most of the statistical evidence says that the vast majority of farms bequeathed to relatives don’t pay any estate taxes. Even fewer are in a position where they can’t pay the liability.



Ain't No Family Farms Lost Due to the Estate Tax

http://cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/aint-no-family-farms-lost-due-to-the-estate-tax


http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/08/us/talk-of-lost-farms-reflects-muddle-of-estate-tax-debate.html


Quote:

According to a Congressional Research Service report in 2013, less than 1 percent of farm operator estates is projected to pay any estate tax.

And that’s because there are exemptions for farmers and small businesses written into the estate tax code that allow most farmers — with a bit of estate planning — to avoid the estate tax altogether. For example, if the heirs agree to farm the land for another 10 years, they can get up to a $1 million exemption by valuing land at its farm use value rather than development value. An additional $500,000 exemption is possible if one agrees to a perpetual conservation easement restricting the use of the land. It is also possible to reduce the value of an estate by giving portions of the estate to heirs as a gift over a number of years. For a full description of exemptions available to farmers, see this Congressional Research Service report, starting on page 2.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/thunes-estate-tax-distortions/



Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 11:20 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
"Family farmers..."

Lol. I see this is a Paul Ryan talking point, not surprising. Does Paul Ryan give a fuck about farmers when he wants to destroy Social Security? What a prick.


LOL. I don't know if that's a Paul Ryan talking point or not, but your assertion that he wants to destroy Social Security sure sounds like one of Nancy Pelosi's talking points.

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
In addition there are a number of ways built in to to help 'family farmers' (and BTW if you and your spouse are sitting on a farm worth in excess of $10 mil, good for you for being so well off. You're in the storied 1%).

There is an exemption that gives them a reduction of up to a million to bridge the gap between the value of their property at the "current use value" versus the "highest and best use value." Heirs also get 15 years to pay that 'family farm' estate tax off.


But most of the statistical evidence says that the vast majority of farms bequeathed to relatives don’t pay any estate taxes. Even fewer are in a position where they can’t pay the liability.



Ain't No Family Farms Lost Due to the Estate Tax

http://cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/aint-no-family-farms-lost-due-to-the-estate-tax


http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/08/us/talk-of-lost-farms-reflects-muddle-of-estate-tax-debate.html


Quote:

According to a Congressional Research Service report in 2013, less than 1 percent of farm operator estates is projected to pay any estate tax.

And that’s because there are exemptions for farmers and small businesses written into the estate tax code that allow most farmers — with a bit of estate planning — to avoid the estate tax altogether. For example, if the heirs agree to farm the land for another 10 years, they can get up to a $1 million exemption by valuing land at its farm use value rather than development value. An additional $500,000 exemption is possible if one agrees to a perpetual conservation easement restricting the use of the land. It is also possible to reduce the value of an estate by giving portions of the estate to heirs as a gift over a number of years. For a full description of exemptions available to farmers, see this Congressional Research Service report, starting on page 2.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/thunes-estate-tax-distortions/





When I have time I'll double-check those Left-wing sources. I've found bias and errors in both the New York Times and Factcheck.org, so I don't take them at face value. No one should.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/08/16 11:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
When I have time I'll double-check those Left-wing sources. I've found bias and errors in both the New York Times and Factcheck.org, so I don't take them at face value. No one should.


lol. Facts are now "left wing".
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 12:04 AM

There is bias everywhere. The NYT often gets criticism from the left. See: Manufacturing Consent.

But more importantly, if you read your own link, you would have seen the Estate Tax farmer issue is overblown.

Until then, I will be waiting patiently for your analysis.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 12:14 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
When I have time I'll double-check those Left-wing sources. I've found bias and errors in both the New York Times and Factcheck.org, so I don't take them at face value. No one should.


lol. Facts are now "left wing".


No. Facts are facts. Stupid comments like yours are left wing.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 12:18 AM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
There is bias everywhere. The NYT often gets criticism from the left. See: Manufacturing Consent.

But more importantly, if you read your own link, you would have seen the Estate Tax farmer issue is overblown.

Until then, I will be waiting patiently for your analysis.


Yes, the NYT gets criticism from the Far Left. I'm familiar with Chomsky, and has good points, but as someone who defended the Pol Pot regime he has his own credibility issues.

If I'm wrong on the Estate Tax I will admit it. Since I'm far from being a millionaire it doesn't personally affect me one way of the other.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 12:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
When I have time I'll double-check those Left-wing sources. I've found bias and errors in both the New York Times and Factcheck.org, so I don't take them at face value. No one should.


lol. Facts are now "left wing".


No. Facts are facts. Stupid comments like yours are left wing.


I'm not going to argue with you because anyone who has a wrestler in their profile pic is probably 10 years old.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 12:39 AM

Evan McMullin: Who is the new anti-Trump Independent candidate?


http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37012635
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 12:50 AM

"anti-establishment" Trump is now sucking up to the GOP establishment in a desperate attempt to save his campaign. Hillary's ahead in Georgia now. Yes, Georgia. A state that's redder than the devil himself.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290725-georgia-poll-clinton-leads-by-7-points

But of course, polls are just "left wing sources", right Undertaker?
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 02:49 AM

50 senior GOP security officials issued a statement on Monday calling the Republican nominee “dangerous” and a risk to America’s “national security and well-being.”


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...out-republicans



Edited to add: Susan Collins just came out against Trump. I think that’s the first sitting Senator up for reelection...


Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 03:39 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
"anti-establishment" Trump is now sucking up to the GOP establishment in a desperate attempt to save his campaign. Hillary's ahead in Georgia now. Yes, Georgia. A state that's redder than the devil himself.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290725-georgia-poll-clinton-leads-by-7-points

But of course, polls are just "left wing sources", right Undertaker?


No, but low IQ trolls may qualify.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 04:53 AM

be interesting tomorrow when voters in Arizona, and new Hampshire cast their votes. I guess we will see what their endorsement of trump brings them. john McCain, and Kelly ayote.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 08:38 AM

I think a Trump endorsement may be a kiss of death. In San Diego County, Congressman Darrell Issa, a hardcore pro-Trump guy, is down in the polls and has good chance of losing. GOP Arizona senator Jeff Flake said Trump is in danger of losing his state. In Utah, Trump lost to Cruz in the primary and now an ex-CIA operative turned congressman is running against Trump as an independent. He needs Ohio, but John Kasich won't endorse. Senator Susan Collins of Maine won't vote for him. Trump burned all his bridges. He claims to be anti-establishment but has almost all establishment Republicans on his staff, while many Tea Party conservatives formed the #NeverTrump movement. I expect Trump to have the biggest loss since Walter Mondale, who only won one state.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 09:11 AM

If that frigg could have shut his mouth he would have won the presidency big time.

Hillary will do it all free college and people will work again. It's going to be great.

The good news is Hillary won't accomplish anything as president unless it is thru executive action with a republican congress and senate.

Good luck with her appointing Supreme Court justices to the court.

I would hope in the next four years Romney drops dead.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/09/16 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
I think a Trump endorsement may be a kiss of death. In San Diego County, Congressman Darrell Issa, a hardcore pro-Trump guy, is down in the polls and has good chance of losing. GOP Arizona senator Jeff Flake said Trump is in danger of losing his state. In Utah, Trump lost to Cruz in the primary and now an ex-CIA operative turned congressman is running against Trump as an independent. He needs Ohio, but John Kasich won't endorse. Senator Susan Collins of Maine won't vote for him. Trump burned all his bridges. He claims to be anti-establishment but has almost all establishment Republicans on his staff, while many Tea Party conservatives formed the #NeverTrump movement. I expect Trump to have the biggest loss since Walter Mondale, who only won one state.


great observation faithful, cant disagree, you have done your homework, I certainly hope you are right about trump only taking one state, it might take that to dissolve the republican party.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/10/16 12:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll

great observation faithful, cant disagree, you have done your homework, I certainly hope you are right about trump only taking one state, it might take that to dissolve the republican party.


I don't think having a one-party state is a good idea either. A banana republic superpower, that's simply too much power for one side. The concept behind our Constitution is checks and balances, not unbridled power.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/10/16 05:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
"anti-establishment" Trump is now sucking up to the GOP establishment in a desperate attempt to save his campaign. Hillary's ahead in Georgia now. Yes, Georgia. A state that's redder than the devil himself.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290725-georgia-poll-clinton-leads-by-7-points

But of course, polls are just "left wing sources", right Undertaker?


No, but low IQ trolls may qualify.


Oh, shut up. Every time you're getting your ass kicked you call the person a troll.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/10/16 01:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll

great observation faithful, cant disagree, you have done your homework, I certainly hope you are right about trump only taking one state, it might take that to dissolve the republican party.


I don't think having a one-party state is a good idea either. A banana republic superpower, that's simply too much power for one side. The concept behind our Constitution is checks and balances, not unbridled power.


Another party would form.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 04:16 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
"anti-establishment" Trump is now sucking up to the GOP establishment in a desperate attempt to save his campaign. Hillary's ahead in Georgia now. Yes, Georgia. A state that's redder than the devil himself.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290725-georgia-poll-clinton-leads-by-7-points

But of course, polls are just "left wing sources", right Undertaker?


No, but low IQ trolls may qualify.


Oh, shut up. Every time you're getting your ass kicked you call the person a troll.


My ass is fine, and the only person who qualifies as a troll around here is you...and maybe Cook...
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 04:53 AM

You don't know what a troll is. You're so stupid it hurts.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 05:09 AM

trump just said in a speech that obama is the founder of isis.

made no mention of what he would do in the middle east.

just threw it out there. no explanation of what he would

do if he were elected.


Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 05:35 AM

I always thought Republicans were just saying this "Trump is a plant by the Democrats" shit because they needed to save face somehow, but now I'm really wondering if it's true. I really think he might drop out. Imagine that. Next few months are going to be interesting.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 05:51 AM

ive wondered about it myself, oak, and the reason is because its the Clintons, now feature this... he was always close to the Clintons.... and supported Hillary when she was running to beat Obama for the nomination... besides hes always been a democrat.

there very well may be something about trump that he does not want public, maybe dealings with Russia. maybe something else.
regardless, I really don't think he wants it. and one more thing, he and bill Clinton had conversations before trump decided to run. what will be a good indicator is if hillarys
e mails become so damaging that she may lose support, then if
he doesn't think she can win, he really goes bananas.......
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 07:05 AM

Here is the difference between trump and Hillary.

Trump used the laws to make money. Hillary broke laws to make money.
Posted By: SC

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 12:48 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
You don't know what a troll is. You're so stupid it hurts.


There is no reason for this kind of post. Consider this a warning, Oak, and anyone else who resorts to childish behavior like this. It won't be tolerated and you won't be allowed to post here if it continues.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 04:06 PM

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus told Donald Trump in a phone call last week that if he doesn’t turn his flailing campaign around, the national party may shift its focus from his candidacy to down-ballot races, according to two GOP officials briefed on the exchange.

The officials said Priebus described to Trump internal party polls that show his campaign headed in the wrong direction. Priebus told Trump that he would have been better off had he spent the days since the Republican convention at his Mar-a-Lago Club, officials said.

Trump denied the officials’ account of the exchange.

“Reince Priebus is a terrific guy,” Trump told TIME on Tuesday. “He never said that.” Trump also said that the Republican Party should be grateful for his recent fundraising. “Why would they state that when I am raising millions of dollars for them?” Trump asked, rhetorically.

Priebus could not be reached for comment.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 04:43 PM

I'm not sure if this is in the correct thread because the conversations in 3 threads are all along the same lines.

The Voter registration issues.
Ivy and F1 bring up a key common sense point. If you are an adult in America, you should possess and carry government issued I.D. everyday.

The cases that Oli and Helen brought up, are clear examples of politically driven shenanigans meant to discourage people from voting though.

This is another one

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/us/cri...rules.html?_r=2


Now, these types of tricks and changes are normally par for the course in an election year, but given the history of the jim crow voting "restrictions" in the South, impossible to ignore the racial element of these modern day tricks.


Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets

The cases that Oli and Helen brought up, are clear examples of politically driven shenanigans meant to discourage people from voting though.

This is another one

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/us/cri...rules.html?_r=2


Now, these types of tricks and changes are normally par for the course in an election year, but given the history of the jim crow voting "restrictions" in the South, impossible to ignore the racial element of these modern day tricks.




Upon the heels of the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that the Texas Voter ID law violated portions of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, a federal judge has accepted a compromise between litigants and the State. The compromise eliminates the ID requirement, but requires voters to sign an affidavit and produce evidence of local residency.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 05:34 PM

What about drivers license getting I'd for that may violate people rights to run over innocent people. It not fare they should be allowed to do that.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 05:38 PM

I have one you must learn English to vote here. No you don't need English if you don't speak English maybe your kids can get you to places you want to go to. Or other people can tell you lies about anything and you would not know if it was a lie or not. Better to always be dependent on other people then on yourself.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 05:41 PM

Oli, thanks.

That's a good compromise. The reason why I used the term "common sense" abut carrying ID is that.....forget voting...possessing identification can mean the difference between getting detained or not. Some of the organizations that are protesting police profiling and brutality need to first stress to people the importance of being able to establish your identity to law enforcement.

To be 100% honest though, knowing the history of "poll taxes" and other garbage that was used to keep Blacks from voting in the past, hard for me to believe that person who is inclined to vote wouldn't go through the basic step of obtaining govt. ID at least during an election year.

Call me paranoid, by I expect shenanigans. In the NYT link, it's mentioned that in Alabama that in some rural Black areas, driver license agencies(dmv) were closed down....and only after protests was there a compromise reached where they would keep them open at least once a week.

I'm wary of the term "States Rights" exactly because of these types of things.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 05:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
I have one you must learn English to vote here. No you don't need English if you don't speak English maybe your kids can get you to places you want to go to. Or other people can tell you lies about anything and you would not know if it was a lie or not. Better to always be dependent on other people then on yourself.



Good point,Foot.
When you think of the American companies that own the "Spanish speaking channels"...and how they control the news programming, you have a very interesting point.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 05:48 PM

Foot, you can barely speak English yourself, based on your typing.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 06:40 PM

A lot of people tell me that but I never asked anyone for anything. Can they say that?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 06:59 PM

This is a fact I have seen first hand. If you have a trade and can't speak English. You will get robbed by people who do. Other Spanish that do will rob you as much or more then white people born here.

So if you dig people taking advantage of you don't learn English.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 08:13 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Oli, thanks.

That's a good compromise. The reason why I used the term "common sense" abut carrying ID is that.....forget voting...possessing identification can mean the difference between getting detained or not. Some of the organizations that are protesting police profiling and brutality need to first stress to people the importance of being able to establish your identity to law enforcement.

To be 100% honest though, knowing the history of "poll taxes" and other garbage that was used to keep Blacks from voting in the past, hard for me to believe that person who is inclined to vote wouldn't go through the basic step of obtaining govt. ID at least during an election year.

Call me paranoid, by I expect shenanigans. In the NYT link, it's mentioned that in Alabama that in some rural Black areas, driver license agencies(dmv) were closed down....and only after protests was there a compromise reached where they would keep them open at least once a week.

I'm wary of the term "States Rights" exactly because of these types of things.


I'm not so sure what the federal courts did in North Carolina and other states is a good compromise, nor am I certain that the reporting given by the New York Times is accurate. I saw this in National Review but not anywhere else:

In 2013, North Carolina passed a law requiring voters to show a government-issued photo ID, ending same-day registration and shortening the length of early voting from 17 to ten days. The Left rent its garments — Hillary Clinton called it an “assault on voting rights” — and foretold mass disenfranchisement. It never happened. In 2010, before North Carolina’s law, 40.3 percent of blacks in North Carolina voted in the year’s midterms; in 2014, with the law in effect, it was 42.2 percent. Nonetheless, last week the Fourth Circuit — perhaps inspired by recent decisions against similar laws in Texas and Wisconsin — swatted down North Carolina’s law.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438810/north-carolina-voter-id-law-should-be-restored

If that editorial from National Review is accurate (and I'm not claiming that it is or not, just putting it out there), then the decision was political and not a matter of justice. There should be laws against voter fraud, and showing ID should be a no-brainer. Only the Democratic Party and the American Far Left claim that showing ID is racist, which is crazy considering that it's done all over the world. The Democratic Party has a long history of committing voter fraud. It's usual response is "there's been very few prosecutions of voter fraud, so it's not a problem." That's a stupid response since it's really saying that prosecutors aren't doing their jobs, and likely many are Democrats who have a personal interest in not prosecuting. If anything, it's evidence of corruption.

On the states' rights issue we have to tread a fine line. There is a real Constitutional issue of states' rights that refers to federalism and is in the 10th amendment. In the Old South, Southern Democrats used the phrase to defend racial discrimination. Today, many Republicans who use the phrase are semi-libertarians and mean it in its original non-racist sense. So to equate the two is an equivocation fallacy, using a word with more than one meaning as if it only as one. So those Republicans may not mean it in the way the old Southern Democrats did. However, since it is the South, maybe some do mean it the same way, but it would be wrong to generalize. I don't know the names of all the individuals involved, but as an example Ronald Reagan used the term "states' rights" in a libertarian/originalist sense, as does Rand Paul today. Even President Obama has used the phrase in this way.

What about limiting the time for voting? The Democratic Party ideal is to have as much voting as possible. Why? There are more Democrats than Republicans, and more opportunities for mischief. It creates more opportunities for illegal voting by illegal immigrants, felons, and dead people. Since this is rarely prosecuted it results in more Democrat wins. This is what happened during the days of Tammany Hall in New York, Al Capone and Mayor Daley in Chicago, Loretta Sanchez in California, and Al Franken in Minnesota. So Republicans, if they had their way, would probably trim down the voting period to one day with no mail voting or motor voting. This may or may not favor Republicans (it may not since Democrats still have higher numbers), but it would, without a doubt, decrease opportunities for corruption.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 08:44 PM

F1,

Good post as always. Voter fraud is definitely NOT exclusive to one party (or region of the country). Like I said, it's par for the course during pres. election years. I conceded the point you made earlier about govt. ID, person who is going to vote SHOULD possess valid ID.

The "soul to the poll" voting where buses take people from church to vote seems to have been in mind when decision was made to change voting days. Everybody knows about the power of Black church traditions and specifically Southern Black churches.I read some detailed articles about the changes in NC and they were designed to block/discourage Black voters for sure and perhaps other groups.

Great pull with the voting stats in 2010 and 2014. I'm gonna go behind the numbers and see whether there were Sen. race(s) in 2014 though. The numbers you pulled do highlight the theatrics and tricks used in politics.

Can't do a real reply until I have more time..I'll be bock.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 10:37 PM

gets,

No voter fraud isn't exclusive to one party, but it is more prevalent in one party compared to the other. Your point about "soul to the poll" may be valid, but on the other hand it may be in violation of the Johnson Amendment and therefore illegal.

When I have a chance I'll look into the pros and the cons, so generally speaking, if I read something representing the Democratic side it will be in the New York Times, Washington Post, Huffington Post, Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, Boston Globe, New York Daily News, The Nation, Mother Jones, The Atlantic, Vanity Fair, Associated Press or Democratic Underground, etc. For the Republican side there's the Washington Times, National Review, New York Post, American Spectator, The Federalist, Townhall.org, Weekly Standard, Heatstreat and Human Events. (Breitbart represents the Trump side.) Likewise if I read ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC or CNN I'll compare to Fox News. I'll also see if a story is in the UK Daily Mail, The Guardian or Independent. There's two sides to every story.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/11/16 11:13 PM

F1,

The "soul to poll" as I understand it, is funded by the individual Churches, and is more about bringing people to vote than supporting one candidate,ticket, party or issue.
Churches hire buses/drivers for outings so don't think a local ride to polling station is any kind of expense.(with all the tithes that Black people pay, church better be able to cover the tab) smile

I'm sure the numbers indicate that these older Blacks, churchgoers stable etc....probably tend to vote toward one party, and so ruling that tries to limit that is naturally going to come from the other party.

Some say that when W. Bush was promoting "Faith Based Initiatives" that he was trying to buy influence among the clergy....for himself and the Rep. party.


Dem. party leaders smartly court Black clergy because they know the influence these people have over the Blacks who vote.


Blacks split from the Rep. party over Civil Rights issue. Dem.s trot out the "racist Republican" meme every once in a while to scare Blacks into voting their way. And often an elected official or candidate with an (R) next to their name gets caught doing/saying something that lives up to that stereotype. Politics is all bells and whistles.

Clintons, I'm 100% certain have relationships with every megachurch or prominent Black pastor in the country. In fact...and this is a tangent. Hillary didn't press the Jeremiah Wright issue against Obama in '08 because she didn't want to open the can of worms and uncover relationships Clintons might have had with controversial Black ministers.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/12/16 02:14 AM

Gets,

Good points. Black voters actually switched to the Dems during the 1932 election of Franklin Roosevelt. President Herbert Hoover was the Donald Trump of his day (only smarter and without the insults) who alienated the black base of the Republican Party with a series of bad moves. He tried to turn things around when he ran against FDR, but by then it was too late. He was also pretty feckless when it came to the economy and Roosevelt actually criticized Hoover for too much government intervention. Once FDR came to office he created one government program after the other. Most failed, but several worked, like Social Security, the TVA and WPA. FDR himself was an anti-black racist, but his wife, Eleanor Roosevelt, was a white civil rights leader who was ahead of her time. Anyway, I digress.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/12/16 05:00 AM

hmmmmm. heard the same about fdr, jesse owens who won 4 gold medals at the 1936 Olympics, was surprised when he met hitler, and said hitler was nice, and polite to him, he also says that F.D.R. would not invite him to the white house, but he did invite white track and field stars. owens said Roosevelt shunned him because he was black. and hitler didn't. very odd.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/12/16 05:26 AM

Archie Bunker lamented over the absence of Herbert Hoover. That should tell you something about him.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/13/16 12:57 AM

F1,

Here is a report I was sent a while ago.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/state-voting-2014

here is an excerpt

Partisanship played a key role. Of the 22 states with new restrictions, 18 passed entirely through GOP-controlled bodies,[4] and Mississippi’s photo ID law passed by a voter referendum. Two of the remaining three states — Illinois and Rhode Island — passed much less severe restrictions. According to a recent study from the University of Massachusetts Boston, restrictions were more likely to pass “as the proportion of Republicans in the legislature increased or when a Republican governor was elected.”

Race was also a significant factor. Of the 11 states with the highest African-American turnout in 2008, 7 have new restrictions in place.[5] Of the 12 states with the largest Hispanic population growth between 2000 and 2010, 9 passed laws making it harder to vote.[6] And nearly two-thirds of states — or 9 out of 15 — previously covered in whole or in part by Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act because of a history of race discrimination in voting have new restrictions since the 2010 election.[7] Social science studies bear this out. According to the University of Massachusetts Boston study, states with higher minority turnout were more likely to pass restrictive voting laws. A University of California study suggests that legislative support for voter ID laws was motivated by racial bias.
==

I've not read the actual ruling in the NC case, but the radio interviews I've heard mention that judges saw the new voting laws as part of a pattern by Rep.s to limit/neutralize the Black vote in a "purple state"

Part of that pattern was the congressional redistricting done by Rep.s that was just struck down yesterday

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2...errymander.html
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/13/16 01:38 AM

I'm familiar with the Brennan Center. It's a left-wing advocacy group funded by George Soros. Slate is also on the Left, so these sources represent one side of the debate so what is needed is to compare and contrast how right-wing advocacy groups respond to the charges.

Here's another take I'm just throwing out there as a possibility. Let's say this is all partisan politics. Democrats want to do X with voting and Republicans want to do Y. Since the demographics for Democrats includes more blacks and Hispanics it is only natural that anything that adversely affects the Democratic Party as a whole will also affect them. Since Republicans have far more white voters than blacks and Hispanics, anything that Democrats push against Republicans would have a greater general impact on white voters. So if the demographics were equal, or closer to it, then there would be no claim of racial bias. With Donald Trump as the GOP nominee the demographics are even more one-sided, so it's easier to make the claim. But let's say Ben Carson campaigned better and won the nomination, and along with that African Americans and Hispanics started going over to the GOP. Then the demographics of the Republican Party would change and the claim of race as a factor might no longer be valid. Like I said, just throwing it out as a possibility. Not saying it's true or not since I haven't read the other side except for that one National Review piece.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/13/16 02:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
hmmmmm. heard the same about fdr, jesse owens who won 4 gold medals at the 1936 Olympics, was surprised when he met hitler, and said hitler was nice, and polite to him, he also says that F.D.R. would not invite him to the white house, but he did invite white track and field stars. owens said Roosevelt shunned him because he was black. and hitler didn't. very odd.


Binnie,

Don't know if you recall an anti-drug psa from the 1980s. A man discovers his son's drug stash and confronts him about it. After being cornered and asked "who taught you to use drugs?"...the kid says "You, alright? I learned from watching you"

I've read Mein Kampf, and Hitler trips over himself PRAISING American segregation of races.Some say that idea of concentration camps was inspired by the "reservations" that Native people were placed on here.

"you ,alright, learned from watching you"

Story of FDR snubbing American sports hero Owens, sounds about right.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/13/16 02:54 AM

F1,

I think we are in agreement that it is mostly partisan politics. The demographic group(s) affected can swing the outcome in many of these states, so whether it's passing new voting laws or attempting to redistrict congressional zones, an attempt is made to neutralize a voting bloc.

From what I've read...the "justification" for the laws, at least in NC, were unfounded claims of voter fraud. False pretext.

It can't be ignored that some of these states have a legacy of disfranchisement of Blacks. Which is why the Voting Rights Act was needed in the first place.
No sooner were alterations made to the VRA in 2013, did these new voting laws come into affect

The Blacks who vote, and I'm assuming it's true for Hispanic groups also, are socially conservative people. The case could be made that Republicans should be able to court and win over some of these social conservative people. Rather than making an attempt to do that, they are making attempts to neutralize Black voters, among others.

Falls right into the racist Republican meme that Dem.s trot out, whether it's case of partisan politics or blatant racism.


*Also thanks for the info about Black vote and FDR. It was still the issue of Civil Rights that caused the major switch. I consider FDR to be an anomaly for lot of reasons , and until you mentioned it, hadn't thought about the switch occurring under him. The Presidents after him, whether personally bigots or not, who passed laws increasing freedoms and social mobility of Blacks folks, turned the tide....with the switch becoming permanent under LBJ and the passa goe Civil Rights legislation.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/13/16 04:37 AM

Gets,

This was in the Washington Post:

In particular, the court found that North Carolina lawmakers requested data on racial differences in voting behaviors in the state. "This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)," the judges wrote.

So the legislators made it so that the only acceptable forms of voter identification were the ones disproportionately used by white people. "With race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans," the judges wrote. "The bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess."

The data also showed that black voters were more likely to make use of early voting — particularly the first seven days out of North Carolina's 17-day voting period. So lawmakers eliminated these seven days of voting. "After receipt of this racial data, the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting, shortening the total early voting period from seventeen to ten days," the court found.


So it looks like they had a good idea (voter ID law) then added some things that intentionally targeted black voters, as you said. Even this conservative site agrees:

I’m going to withhold judgment for now and see what happens, but this isn’t good. It’s rather indefensible—and makes zero sense since this is already a popular policy proposal. Heck, even 65 percent of black Americans agree that you should produce some sort of identification before voting. North Carolina is already a state that pretty much splits right down the middle in terms of voting patterns. It’s also a state that breaks late for either party on Election Day. During a presidential year, with Clinton at the top of the Democratic ticket—you can be sure that this, coupled with the news that North Carolina Republicans might have used data to enact race-based provisions on voter ID, is sure going to fire up Democrats in the state. It could reverberate throughout the whole South, where Clinton does phenomenally well with Democrats, especially black voters. They’re the ones that gave her the edge over Sanders in the primaries.

Still, it doesn’t mean that conservatives should stop pushing for voter ID laws. In principle, they’re good to have during our elections. At the same time, we also have to call out our own side when they act stupidly. Regardless of the outcome, it’s not good. The Democrats have a nice narrative to fundraise off of, and you can bet that MSNBC will be all over this story.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2...voters-n2200530

Originally Posted By: getthesenets

From what I've read...the "justification" for the laws, at least in NC, were unfounded claims of voter fraud. False pretext.

It can't be ignored that some of these states have a legacy of disfranchisement of Blacks. Which is why the Voting Rights Act was needed in the first place.
No sooner were alterations made to the VRA in 2013, did these new voting laws come into affect

Falls right into the racist Republican meme that Dem.s trot out, whether it's case of partisan politics or blatant racism.


You are correct that NC is one of those states with a history of disenfranchising Blacks, and sadly and evidently, there are enough of them in the NC Republican Party to continue that tradition. It would be interesting to find out what was going on in the heads of those who wrote the law.

I would kind of disagree with you on the claim of lack of justification and the unfounded claims of voter fraud. As I've written, the Left commonly makes that claim because of lack of prosecutions, not because it doesn't exist. For example, Justice Dept. Civil Rights Division attorney J. Christian Adams was planning on charging members of the New Black Panther Party with intimidation of a voting place in Philadelphia but was overruled by Justice Dept. heads (then led by Eric Holder). Adams and his supervisor both resigned over this in what they considered a discriminatory prevention of justified prosecution. So even though in this case, like many others, there is evidence that it happens, but very few prosecutions. I can't saw whether or not it's a problem in NC, but it is a national problem and ensuring voter integrity is a good thing. So I think we both agree on this, that voter ID is good, but disenfranchisement isn't.

BTW, this video helped convince the judge to overturn the law:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article93060687.html
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/13/16 12:21 PM

Blacks have been voting democrat for years and years. In the last 8 years have they improved their station in life under obama? So now they think it will get better under Hillary?

If I was black I would vote for Trump. If he starts a learn a trade program for people who want to work and paid for my businesses who need people like mechanics and building workers and welders and appliance repair. They will be better off then voting for radical left people.

Why it won't cost much if future Employers paid for it. If money is needed congress is republican and will vote for it. If Hillary is elected she won't be able to do anything even if she wanted it which she don't.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/13/16 12:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Blacks have been voting democrat for years and years. In the last 8 years have they improved their station in life under obama? So now they think it will get better under Hillary?

If I was black I would vote for Trump. If he starts a learn a trade program for people who want to work and paid for my businesses who need people like mechanics and building workers and welders and appliance repair. They will be better off then voting for radical left people.

Why it won't cost much if future Employers paid for it. If money is needed congress is republican and will vote for it. If Hillary is elected she won't be able to do anything even if she wanted it which she don't.



Foot,

Obama was pushing for the America College Promise Act, which was going to make community college tuition free for people who maintained a certain grade point average.

I didn't follow the story and not sure whether it passed or not, but it sounds close to what you are proposing.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/13/16 01:19 PM

F1,

Thanks for info and the video at the end. W-O-W !

Didn't know about that interview. I think the so-called "PC climate" that some complain about is actually in place to protect people from THEMSELVES. Person doesn't have to open his/her mouth and confirm things that others are claiming exists. While I respect honesty, a person who doesn't get that basic truth should not be in any leadership position.

I had to watch the video 3 times, just to make sure that it was real and not a comedy sketch with actors. WOW!!!!

I have some more comments about the idea of voter fraud in NC which I will make later.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/13/16 07:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Blacks have been voting democrat for years and years. In the last 8 years have they improved their station in life under obama? So now they think it will get better under Hillary?

If I was black I would vote for Trump. If he starts a learn a trade program for people who want to work and paid for my businesses who need people like mechanics and building workers and welders and appliance repair. They will be better off then voting for radical left people.

Why it won't cost much if future Employers paid for it. If money is needed congress is republican and will vote for it. If Hillary is elected she won't be able to do anything even if she wanted it which she don't.



Yeah vote for trump because all black people can do is self and repair appliances. Black people don't vote republican because republican party only cares about the high society....thee end
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/13/16 08:54 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
F1,

Thanks for info and the video at the end. W-O-W !

Didn't know about that interview. I think the so-called "PC climate" that some complain about is actually in place to protect people from THEMSELVES. Person doesn't have to open his/her mouth and confirm things that others are claiming exists. While I respect honesty, a person who doesn't get that basic truth should not be in any leadership position.

I had to watch the video 3 times, just to make sure that it was real and not a comedy sketch with actors. WOW!!!!

I have some more comments about the idea of voter fraud in NC which I will make later.



Gets,

Yeah, some people are stuck on stupid. These are the people who never learn, don't grow up, and ruin things for everyone else. Anyway, that guy was basically fired from his position the day after that interview. As the adage says, "Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt."
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/14/16 01:14 AM

If you're a spokesperson for Donald Trump, you need to do some Olympic-level gymnastics with the truth just to get through the day. But also like Olympic gymnasts, sometimes you fall. That is what we witnessed this morning on CNN when Trump surrogate and conservative wing-nut Katrina Pierson did a complete faceplant trying to blame the war on Afghanistan on President Obama.

While defending Trump's allegedly sarcastic remarks calling Obama the "founder of ISIS," Pierson said in all seriousness, "Remember, we weren't even in Afghanistan by this time [in 2009]. Barack Obama went into Afghanistan, creating another problem."

Bewildered CNN anchor Victor Blackwell asked her to clarify, "You're saying Barack Obama took the country into Afghanistan post-2009?"

"That was Obama's war, yes," Pierson responded.

For those of you who have been living under a rock, United States and British troops entered Afghanistan in late 2001, under the leadership of President George W. Bush. Eight years and two presidential terms before Obama swore the oath of office.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/14/16 02:59 AM

Actually, considering who Katrina Pierson is a spokesperson for, she does a far better job than anyone else could probably do. So I hope she's well-paid, because it takes a lot of talent to defend someone like Trump against deserved criticism and maintain a straight face. I mean if I was on CNN and Don Lemon was asking me about something Trump said I'd say, "You're right Don. Trump said something stupid because he's an inarticulate idiot who's ignorant and simply doesn't know how to properly explain things. There's actually a kernel of truth in what he said so let me deal with that..." Then, of course, I'd be fired. It takes someone like Katrina Pierson, who's mastered the art of bifurcation and can continue to do the news shows and keep her cool while not going off on her boss.

Then again, those who work in the Obama administration have to do the same thing:

Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/14/16 05:11 PM

better to remain silent............... mark twain quote by the way,

gets, you mentioned hitler getting some ideas from the USA
now I have read more than once, that most of hitlers ideas
came from our founding fathers, who have been revered in U.S. history as models to live by, in spite of the first 15 presidents
either owning slaves or wanting to keep them in slavery.
what was the mindset of the founding fathers, [ white supremacy]
Thomas Jefferson had black children, yet let them remain in slavery. what about the law that read you can go anywhere and get your slave back, it was legal to do so.
history taught that these supremists were fathers of our country, some fathers, some models, hitler copied the founding fathers.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 12:28 AM

Actually the "better to remain silent" quote is originally from a children's book "Mrs. Goose: Her Book" (1906) by Maurice Switzer: http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/. It's based on Proverbs 17:28.

Most of Hitler's ideas came Charles Darwin and local German and Austrian politicians, writers, and even musicians such as Richard Wagner.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007430
https://www.csustan.edu/history/roots-hitlers-evil
http://www.historytoday.com/jayne-rosefield/wagners-influence-hitler-and-hitlers-wagner
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/133p/133p04papers/MKalishNietzNazi046.htm

But for specific policies, it was recent American history that influenced him, such as American Indian reservations/concentration camps, Henry Ford and his anti-Semitic newspaper, etc.

http://www.cracked.com/article_23252_5-a...wing-it_p2.html
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 12:44 AM

good post faithful, and you are very well informed, however why must history gloss over the founding fathers, when will we [usa]
ever come to grips with what they really were. as far as henry ford is concerned he was an avid anti-Semitic, and let us not forget the industrialists from the usa that helped hitler come to power. ford had a plant there, and others the u.s. government even gave millions to those companies who were in Germany. and left when hitler wanted to nationalize them, also i.b. farben was a subsidiary of general motors, their gas was used by the german s.s. and it has been said that the crematoriums had u.s.steel engraved on the side, that have a museum and some are still around. hitler had a lot of help from us and others to gain power.

great links, by the way, keep up the good work.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 01:11 AM

Let's be more discreet about the Founding Fathers. Of the 55 men who at one time or another attended the convention in Philadelphia that summer, only 25 were slave holders. Both Benjamin Franklin and James Wilson, two of the delegates among the eight member Pennsylvania delegation, had domestic slaves which they had freed.

Although many historians subsume such slaveholding luminaries under the heading Founding Fathers (such as Jefferson), those luminaries did not attend the Convention, did not propose Constitutional provisions, did not debate them, and did not vote on them.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 03:11 AM

but they all condoned slavery, including franklin, and if any of them had a conscience the dred scott decision would never have happened.

as to the constitution itself, "all men are created equal"
while most held slaves, slavery is never mentioned, its as if
they wern't considered human.
as to your luminaries, were they for or against slavery?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 03:44 AM

You guys have to remember that almost everyone in the world in the late 1700s believed in slavery. It was normal and part of life. If you're going to hold slavery against the Founders then you might as well say everything that happened before 1865 counts for nothing. That every good idea before 1865 has to be dismissed because most of the world agreed with slavery, or at least before 1808 when Britain ended it.

This is simply anachronistic thinking, judging the past by the way we think today. Then what happens in 100 or 200 years when people in the future don't think like we do today? Maybe they'll think everything we believe in today is wrong and should also be dismissed.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 04:39 AM

I just don't know why some Board members don't perform some basic research. No, not all of the Founding fathers condoned slavery. Just to name one Founding Father who attended the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin was President of the Pennsylvania Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery. Another is Governeur Morris, a delegate from Pennsylvania. Another is Rodger Sherman, a delegate from Connecticut.

The United States Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers says nothing about all men are created equal. That phrase is contained in the Declaration of Independence.

Once again: only 25 of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention were slaveholders; As my post above states, 55 delegates attended the Convention. 25 is not even half of 55 let alone most.

The Constitution does not use the words slave or slavery due to one of the compromises between the delegates in order to avoid the slaveholding states delegates leaving the Convention.

There are plenty of luminaries who did not attend the Convention and opposed slavery. Among them, John Adams and Sam Adams
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 05:59 AM

Well said, olivant. There were always writers that condemned slavery and other inhumane practices. There were people of conscience that spoke out and wrote against injustices for as long as history has been recorded. The "product of their time" excuse for slavers is a cop out. Every slaver throughout history knew there was an element of society that condemned their way of life. They didn't care. In most cases, because of profit. Some just felt it was a necessary evil. If people of their race and/or religion aren't doing it, people of another would, and they could end up being the slaves themselves, so they thought. But they knew it was wrong.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 08:01 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I just don't know why some Board members don't perform some basic research. No, not all of the Founding fathers condoned slavery. Just to name one Founding Father who attended the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin was President of the Pennsylvania Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery. Another is Governeur Morris, a delegate from Pennsylvania. Another is Rodger Sherman, a delegate from Connecticut.

The United States Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers says nothing about all men are created equal. That phrase is contained in the Declaration of Independence.

Once again: only 25 of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention were slaveholders; As my post above states, 55 delegates attended the Convention. 25 is not even half of 55 let alone most.

The Constitution does not use the words slave or slavery due to one of the compromises between the delegates in order to avoid the slaveholding states delegates leaving the Convention.

There are plenty of luminaries who did not attend the Convention and opposed slavery. Among them, John Adams and Sam Adams


I wasn't agreeing to the belief that all of the Founders believed in slavery or were slaveholders, but challenging those who do believe that about the Founders as somehow negating everything they did or said. In other words, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Nor did I make the simpleton-minded claim that because belief in slavery was common that it somehow justified it. Denouncing anachronistic thinking is not the same as making moral excuses.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 02:33 PM

My post was in response to Binnie's post, not yours.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 03:28 PM

the point I'm trying to make is that U.S. history is deeply,deeply flawed, and is due for revisionism, lets get away from slavery for the moment, and think about how this nation
treated the Indians, taking them off their land, putting them on resevations, taking away their language, their culture, think back to Andrew Jackson and the trail of tears, wounded knee, and many more atrocities, future generations are going to question
our interpretation of u.s. history, we cant keep making excuses for all the wrong doing. simply put, we never hold anyone accountable for their actions. then, and now, should not the group who started and continued the viet nam war been held to answer for it, and today should not George bush and his gang answer for the wars they got us into, its always then and now been a pattern. no one has to answer to the people.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
My post was in response to Binnie's post, not yours.


And my post was in response to Oak's
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 07:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: olivant
My post was in response to Binnie's post, not yours.


And my post was in response to Oak's


But you quoted mine.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 10:11 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: olivant
My post was in response to Binnie's post, not yours.


And my post was in response to Oak's


But you quoted mine.


Only because he referred to your post, which I actually agree with.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/15/16 10:29 PM

I'll quote both of you.

How about that?

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: olivant
My post was in response to Binnie's post, not yours.


And my post was in response to Oak's


But you quoted mine.


Only because he referred to your post, which I actually agree with.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 05:16 AM

We're beyond revision. The whole world is going to shit. What we need is more along the lines of a power down, unplug the power source for fifteen seconds, turn power on, and reboot. I dont know what the hell is going on with Trump, but he is losing momentum. The republican party are fucking themselves. They need to put aside their differences and pull together. They have too much of an internal struggle and will be responsible for their own downfall.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 06:08 AM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
We're beyond revision. The whole world is going to shit. What we need is more along the lines of a power down, unplug the power source for fifteen seconds, turn power on, and reboot. I dont know what the hell is going on with Trump, but he is losing momentum. The republican party are fucking themselves. They need to put aside their differences and pull together. They have too much of an internal struggle and will be responsible for their own downfall.


the complete destruction of the republican party would be a good thing. trying bush, and cheney for involving us in no-win wars would be a good thing, make them accountable for their lying ways,
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 05:10 PM

Roger Ailes, the former Fox News chairman ousted last month over charges of sexual harassment, is advising Donald J. Trump as he begins to prepare for the all-important presidential debates this fall.

Mr. Ailes is aiding Mr. Trump’s team as it turns its attention to the first debate with Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee, on Sept. 26 on Long Island, according to three people briefed on the move, who insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 05:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: blueracing347
We're beyond revision. The whole world is going to shit. What we need is more along the lines of a power down, unplug the power source for fifteen seconds, turn power on, and reboot. I dont know what the hell is going on with Trump, but he is losing momentum. The republican party are fucking themselves. They need to put aside their differences and pull together. They have too much of an internal struggle and will be responsible for their own downfall.


the complete destruction of the republican party would be a good thing. trying bush, and cheney for involving us in no-win wars would be a good thing, make them accountable for their lying ways,


And the destruction of the Democratic Party would be an even better thing, but I don't see it happening...yet. If we prosecute Bush and Cheney then we'd also have to include all those senators and representatives who voted for the war, including Hillary Clinton.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 05:34 PM

We should go totally old school and just bring back the Whig and the Know Nothing Parties. Maybe the Bull Moose Party too.

But not the Anti-Masonic Party. They were complete douchebags.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Roger Ailes, the former Fox News chairman ousted last month over charges of sexual harassment, is advising Donald J. Trump as he begins to prepare for the all-important presidential debates this fall.


According to a lot of women who work at Fox News, Roger Ailes is a master debater.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: olivant
Roger Ailes, the former Fox News chairman ousted last month over charges of sexual harassment, is advising Donald J. Trump as he begins to prepare for the all-important presidential debates this fall.


According to a lot of women who work at Fox News, Roger Ailes is a master debater.


Indeed! He debated with women over whether they should have sex with him or not.
Posted By: bigboy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 06:38 PM

He couldn't be any worse than obama or clinton. No less experience than obama had being a community organizer.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: bigboy
He couldn't be any worse than obama or clinton. No less experience than obama had being a community organizer.


You're repeating talking points from the 2008 Presidential election.

Facts are that Obama served in the State Senate for a few terms and was elected to the U.S. Senate(served briefly before running for President).

So, your personal feelings toward him aside, he had a LOT more experience in politics than Trump.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 08:25 PM

roger ailes advising trump, maybe his family thinks ailes can help him win. those trumps are real dreamers.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: olivant
Roger Ailes, the former Fox News chairman ousted last month over charges of sexual harassment, is advising Donald J. Trump as he begins to prepare for the all-important presidential debates this fall.


According to a lot of women who work at Fox News, Roger Ailes is a master debater.


I see what you did there. I hope he kept those master debates behind closed doors.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/16/16 10:39 PM

So Donald, when you both first walk in to shake hands give her a little pat on the rear. The ladies love that!
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/17/16 03:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
If we prosecute Bush and Cheney then we'd also have to include all those senators and representatives who voted for the war, including Hillary Clinton.


The senators and representatives could easily make the case that they were coerced into voting for an Iraq invasion based on untruthful information, that was hastily put together by the president's administration and interest groups which had an agenda since the 1990s that included a military presence in Iraq.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/17/16 03:42 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: olivant
Roger Ailes, the former Fox News chairman ousted last month over charges of sexual harassment, is advising Donald J. Trump as he begins to prepare for the all-important presidential debates this fall.


According to a lot of women who work at Fox News, Roger Ailes is a master debater.


Indeed! He debated with women over whether they should have sex with him or not.


Zing.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/17/16 05:46 AM

oak, they were coerced, there were never any wmd's and they knew it all along. bush, and cheney never had any evidence of the accusations they made against Iraq. remember the comment bush made saying hussien was going to import 'YELLOW CAKE' to make a nuclear weapon, PREPOSTEROUS. I for one have always been outraged at what they did, then walking away and letting Obama clean up the mess, put them on trial for their murderous actions.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/18/16 08:16 PM

I just drove home from the gym listening to Michael Savage. He was rebroadcasting a recent Donald Trump interview that took place on Wednesday after his Monday foreign policy speech.

Savage introduced the rebroadcast by stating that Trump was surging in the polls. Then Trump stated and restated that they were doing very well in the polls.

Go figure.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/18/16 10:21 PM

One of Michael's fine literary works. (Weiner is his real name, btw).

Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/18/16 10:28 PM

Savage came up with one of the most true statements ever made - "Liberalism is a mental disorder."
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/18/16 11:52 PM

He was less successful with his statements about how veterans with PTSD were weak cry babies and just needed to man up.

Tough talk from a guy that never heard a shot fired in anger.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 01:09 AM

The primary example of armchair soldiering was the 2004 election. John Kerry volunteered for infantry service in Vietnam, Bush did everything he could to avoid it.

We say we admire doers over talkers in this country, but it's not true. We admire the talkers. We prefer the illusion of toughness over actual toughness.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 01:11 AM

very true, Kerry served, and fought, bush was a draft dodger

and attacked Kerry, bush.... shameful coward.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 01:20 AM

Binnie, you switched up to Tessio.

Tell Mike it was only business.

Notice I found a more complimentary image of bay area gangster "Bones" Remmer.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 03:14 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The primary example of armchair soldiering was the 2004 election. John Kerry volunteered for infantry service in Vietnam, Bush did everything he could to avoid it.

We say we admire doers over talkers in this country, but it's not true. We admire the talkers. We prefer the illusion of toughness over actual toughness.


Who was it that said Kerry is as tough as a powder puff? I forget. In any case, it was Kerry and his liberal ilk who cost us that war by politicizing it, as they have ever since.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 04:37 AM

Good for them. Nations should surrender in military campaigns they have no legal grounds to be involved with in the first place. It's the moral thing to do.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 08:41 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The primary example of armchair soldiering was the 2004 election. John Kerry volunteered for infantry service in Vietnam, Bush did everything he could to avoid it.

We say we admire doers over talkers in this country, but it's not true. We admire the talkers. We prefer the illusion of toughness over actual toughness.


Who was it that said Kerry is as tough as a powder puff? I forget. In any case, it was Kerry and his liberal ilk who cost us that war by politicizing it, as they have ever since.



so liberals are the reason we fought for 20 years and lost the vietnam war

we had no clue how to war in the jungle, plus we were too stubbord to admit defeat
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 03:45 PM

Vietnam. The first war for profit. Every U.S. war has been suspicious ever since.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 05:17 PM

Donald Trump's campaign manager Kellyanne Conway said Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's apology last night at his campaign rally in North Carolina was a decision he came to himself. "It was not me, that's all Donald Trump," Conway said on "Good Morning America" Friday. In a rare moment for the candidate, Trump admitted regret over some of the things he's said on the campaign trail. "Sometimes, in the heat of debate, and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don't choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. I have done that, and believe it or not I regret it," Trump said. "I do regret it, particularly where it may have caused personal pain."
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The primary example of armchair soldiering was the 2004 election. John Kerry volunteered for infantry service in Vietnam, Bush did everything he could to avoid it.

We say we admire doers over talkers in this country, but it's not true. We admire the talkers. We prefer the illusion of toughness over actual toughness.


Who was it that said Kerry is as tough as a powder puff? I forget. In any case, it was Kerry and his liberal ilk who cost us that war by politicizing it, as they have ever since.


Kerry... tough as a powder puff? how would you know what he did in Vietnam, he served, and deserves credit for fighting for his country. lyndon Johnson, and his texas war profiteers started and lost that war, if you were there you would have known that.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Vietnam. The first war for profit. Every U.S. war has been suspicious ever since.


you bet it was fought for profit, a shameful war from a shameful president. the Vietnam vets fought their hearts out, only to come back and be disrespected by the people. very sad.

why didn't the people put the blame where it belonged....

MCmamara in his book said "we were wrong terribly wrong to keep sending in troops" lyndon Johnson and company should have brought to trial for that war. history will not be kind to the Vietnam war mongers.

oak, yeah, it was time to change my avatar,yours looks cool. lol.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty



so liberals are the reason we fought for 20 years and lost the vietnam war

we had no clue how to war in the jungle, plus we were too stubbord to admit defeat


President Lyndon Johnson, considered a liberal Democrat, escalated the Vietnam War, and Richard Nixon, a moderate Republican ended it. Johnson believed in the domino theory that if one country falls to Communism, then a neighboring country will be next. This was still during the Cold War and there was no profit motive on Johnson's part. Even though he was wrong and made things worse, he believed he was doing the right thing.

The U.S. didn't lose the Vietnam War. It was a draw, a tie. The U.S. formally ended its part in the Vietnam War when all sides signed the Paris Peace Accords on January 27, 1973. Following this the U.S. started removing its troops.

Vietnam was supposed to work on unification through peaceful means, but the North broke the deal and invaded the South. This means after the peace that the North started a civil war against the South. There was a provision that the U.S. could resume bombing the North if it broke the deal, but the Democratic Congress refused, and the South collapsed. So South Vietnam lost the civil war to North Vietnam.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 06:46 PM

Some links regarding the profit motive and the Vietnam War.

War Profiteering from Vietnam to Iraq

http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/12/11/war-profiteering-from-vietnam-to-iraq/

The U.S. Military has used civilian contractors in combat zones since the 1960’s

http://www.your-poc.com/u-s-military-used-civilian-contractors-combat-zones-since-1960s/
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 11:17 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Some links regarding the profit motive and the Vietnam War.

War Profiteering from Vietnam to Iraq

http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/12/11/war-profiteering-from-vietnam-to-iraq/

The U.S. Military has used civilian contractors in combat zones since the 1960’s

http://www.your-poc.com/u-s-military-used-civilian-contractors-combat-zones-since-1960s/


Sure, contractors had profits in mind, but I was specific about President Johnson. Their motives have nothing to do with his, so again, comparing apples to oranges.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/19/16 11:59 PM

Notice you don't find a lot of articles about contractors pilfering the WW2 effort. That kind of corruption opens up questions to a war's legitimacy.

(go ahead and google it. I just did. There isn't much. Something about the auto industry?)
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 01:51 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Notice you don't find a lot of articles about contractors pilfering the WW2 effort. That kind of corruption opens up questions to a war's legitimacy.

(go ahead and google it. I just did. There isn't much. Something about the auto industry?)


Are you now saying we shouldn't have fought World War II? Just let Hitler take over Europe, right?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 01:52 AM

No. Anything else?
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 02:31 AM

I am through...........



lol

I'm certain the speech writer told Trump to follow the script and ask Black people in GENERAL what they had to lose by voting a different way this election.

Between the meeting with the speech writer and showtime....Trump changes it to "hey you Blacks are all poor and jobless, why not vote for me?"

Secret service is working overtime protecting Trump from firing into his own feet...daily.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 02:34 AM

I thought that was an Onion headline until more people started retweeting it.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 02:45 AM

Trump continues to spit toenails from sticking his foot in his mouth so often.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 03:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: cookcounty



so liberals are the reason we fought for 20 years and lost the vietnam war

we had no clue how to war in the jungle, plus we were too stubbord to admit defeat


President Lyndon Johnson, considered a liberal Democrat, escalated the Vietnam War, and Richard Nixon, a moderate Republican ended it. Johnson believed in the domino theory that if one country falls to Communism, then a neighboring country will be next. This was still during the Cold War and there was no profit motive on Johnson's part. Even though he was wrong and made things worse, he believed he was doing the right thing.

The U.S. didn't lose the Vietnam War. It was a draw, a tie. The U.S. formally ended its part in the Vietnam War when all sides signed the Paris Peace Accords on January 27, 1973. Following this the U.S. started removing its troops.

Vietnam was supposed to work on unification through peaceful means, but the North broke the deal and invaded the South. This means after the peace that the North started a civil war against the South. There was a provision that the U.S. could resume bombing the North if it broke the deal, but the Democratic Congress refused, and the South collapsed. So South Vietnam lost the civil war to North Vietnam.


faithful 1 since when is someone exempt from prosecution
because they thought they were doing the right thing, now, you are a very intelligent man... that remark is beneath you.

didn't Himmler, Eichmann. all the S.S. troops think they were doing the right thing. they THOUGHT they were. the war tribunals found them all guilty of war crimes.

if you remember after McNamaras book was published, the head of the American legion, on the today show, said and I quote.
" what he said in that book is close to treason"
I strongly suggest you read his book. Johnson knew full well we couldn't win that war, but kept sending kids in.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 04:25 AM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
I am through...........



lol

I'm certain the speech writer told Trump to follow the script and ask Black people in GENERAL what they had to lose by voting a different way this election.

Between the meeting with the speech writer and showtime....Trump changes it to "hey you Blacks are all poor and jobless, why not vote for me?"

Secret service is working overtime protecting Trump from firing into his own feet...daily.



Yeah 'cause look what decades of voting straight Democrat has gotten the black community. whistle
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 05:21 AM

Ivy,

again you're an "expert" on what Blacks should be doing.

Has your Republican & Mormon junior Senator endorsed Trump for president yet?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 05:25 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Yeah 'cause look what decades of voting straight Democrat has gotten the black community. whistle


That's almost exactly what Trump said. Are you ready to admit you're voting for him?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 05:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: cookcounty



so liberals are the reason we fought for 20 years and lost the vietnam war

we had no clue how to war in the jungle, plus we were too stubbord to admit defeat


President Lyndon Johnson, considered a liberal Democrat, escalated the Vietnam War, and Richard Nixon, a moderate Republican ended it. Johnson believed in the domino theory that if one country falls to Communism, then a neighboring country will be next. This was still during the Cold War and there was no profit motive on Johnson's part. Even though he was wrong and made things worse, he believed he was doing the right thing.

The U.S. didn't lose the Vietnam War. It was a draw, a tie. The U.S. formally ended its part in the Vietnam War when all sides signed the Paris Peace Accords on January 27, 1973. Following this the U.S. started removing its troops.

Vietnam was supposed to work on unification through peaceful means, but the North broke the deal and invaded the South. This means after the peace that the North started a civil war against the South. There was a provision that the U.S. could resume bombing the North if it broke the deal, but the Democratic Congress refused, and the South collapsed. So South Vietnam lost the civil war to North Vietnam.


faithful 1 since when is someone exempt from prosecution
because they thought they were doing the right thing, now, you are a very intelligent man... that remark is beneath you.

didn't Himmler, Eichmann. all the S.S. troops think they were doing the right thing. they THOUGHT they were. the war tribunals found them all guilty of war crimes.

if you remember after McNamaras book was published, the head of the American legion, on the today show, said and I quote.
" what he said in that book is close to treason"
I strongly suggest you read his book. Johnson knew full well we couldn't win that war, but kept sending kids in.


Binnie, there you go misinterpreting again. Where in anything I wrote did I claim that motives exempt someone from prosecution? Hint: NOWHERE. I never said anything about whether or not LBJ deserved prosecution or not, only what his own personal intentions were. That's all. Either you or Oak claimed that his motives were financial profit, and I responded to that claim. I'm no fan of his and I couldn't care less if you could go back in time, prosecute him and burn him at the stake.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 06:39 AM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Ivy,

again you're an "expert" on what Blacks should be doing.

Has your Republican & Mormon junior Senator endorsed Trump for president yet?



I'm not sure if Hatch or Lee are endorsing Trump. What does that have to do with me? And I never claimed to be an expert on anything. But it does make one wonder when people criticize Trump while being ready to vote for someone much worse.

And frankly, you need to quit being so butt hurt every time I comment on something related to blacks. Seems like whenever I do, you don't fail to bring up Mormons even though that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. You come across as insecure and petty.

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Yeah 'cause look what decades of voting straight Democrat has gotten the black community. whistle


That's almost exactly what Trump said. Are you ready to admit you're voting for him?


Trump is right as far as that goes. Not that you would ever see it, much less admit it, considering what a left wing hack you are, but much of the lack of progress blacks in the US have made over the years is a result of them allowing themselves to buy into Democrat lies and vote consistently for them despite their policies.

And, while we all know you're not only voting for Hillary but are blind enough to actually think she'll make a good president, I'm not voting for Trump. If I was, I'd say so. But me thinking he'd be better than Hillary doesn't mean I think he's a good candidate himself.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 12:23 PM

@Ivy

Are you voting third party or skipping the voting process altogether?
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 01:37 PM

Ivy,

Let me get this straight.

You are NOT voting for Trump.

YOUR junior Senator, Mike Lee, has NOT endorsed Trump. One of his quotes reads

"A lot of us consider ourselves religious minorities. A lot of us belong to a church whose members were ordered exterminated on Oct. 27, 1838, and are sympathetic to other religious minorities," said U.S. Sen. Mike Lee. "When people speak in terms of religious intolerance, it understandably frightens us."

The words sounds similar to the post I wrote in response to your direct question about why "religious Blacks" tend to vote a certain way.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post887527

If you know how Blacks should be voting or how voting Dem. has effected the "Black community" you SURELY know that the junior Senator for your state has issues with Trump and why.

This what I mean by the "expert" tag. You're speaking about things that you don't seem well versed about and QUIET about things that you would be expected to know.

Person who knows ANYTHING about Blacks and Black voters would know why they tend to vote certain way. Your knowledge of Blacks in America seems limited to crime stats, and studies of pathology in Black culture.Yet you keep posting about what Blacks "should be doing".

Trump dominates the headlines nationally, hard for me to believe that you didn't read or watch account of Lee strongly criticizing him or some of the reasons.

*also, I won't take the bait and reply in kind to your views/comments about my faults. Too often people here press the panic button and lob insults to veer threads off topic.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 01:43 PM

If your going to vote third party better off not voting and instead buy yourself a good Sicilian pizza. The dude how are the pizza up state?

I think minorities have not been helped by Democrates I think they made most dependent on them. Who wants that I think they should try voting for trump and see if he keeps his word.

Nothing will happen voting for the Hill not with a republican congress and senate.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 02:25 PM

Foot,

The thing people keep forgetting is that the people constantly being referred to, Black people dependent on govt. assistance, generally do NOT register to vote.


Trump's appeal to some voters is that they are able to see/hear a candidate say some things that they think and wish they could say publicly. So, sometimes...they applaud his rhetoric whether what he's saying follows logic or not.

He's pandering to and hoodwinking people who haven't figured that out yet.

Once people figure that out, they will have to justify casting a vote for a person with no political experience for the most important job in the country/world. Americans are practical people, so between now and the election, Trump's lack of ANY political experience will sober up even his biggest supporters.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 03:07 PM

So who is left to vote for Hill?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 03:12 PM

I have seen plenty of hard working minorities who are working for peanuts. They are helpers they do the hard work where the others make the good money. I don't think that is fare.

Everyone is not made or want to go to college. So a crap college maybe free it is still crap.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 03:13 PM

There are people helping people register to vote it is Democrates that do that work.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 04:37 PM

Hit or miss some places are good some not so much, when its good I will put it up against any downstate pizza any day. When it is bad it is still better than pizza from Washington state, a few years ago I was between Seattle and Spokane Washington for a while and I kid you not I could not find a decent slice anywhere.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 05:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
There are people helping people register to vote it is Democrates that do that work.


Foot,
The Dem.s DEFINITELY fund and conduct voter registration drives among groups that have been shown to vote their way.

I'm just saying that if we're talking about people who don't want to work , it's hard for me to believe that a person who won't get off ass to work will lift a finger to register to vote.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 05:15 PM

Hillary throws Colin Powell under the bus.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/us/pol...email.html?_r=0

Pressed by the F.B.I. about her email practices at the State Department, Hillary Clinton told investigators that former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell had advised her to use a personal email account.


She was clearly copping pleas/making excuses in her interview with FBI..and the interview itself was a farce. One thing that she has been able to do is to confuse people about what exactly she did wrong. Defense lawyers in white collar criminal cases do to juries what Hillary's campaign has done to the American public.

==

Chris Christie might have been able to beat Hillary. She's vulnerable on several topics and we see that the general public would have been receptive to his style of communicating. Bridge-gate stopped his momentum.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 05:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: cookcounty



so liberals are the reason we fought for 20 years and lost the vietnam war

we had no clue how to war in the jungle, plus we were too stubbord to admit defeat


President Lyndon Johnson, considered a liberal Democrat, escalated the Vietnam War, and Richard Nixon, a moderate Republican ended it. Johnson believed in the domino theory that if one country falls to Communism, then a neighboring country will be next. This was still during the Cold War and there was no profit motive on Johnson's part. Even though he was wrong and made things worse, he believed he was doing the right thing.

The U.S. didn't lose the Vietnam War. It was a draw, a tie. The U.S. formally ended its part in the Vietnam War when all sides signed the Paris Peace Accords on January 27, 1973. Following this the U.S. started removing its troops.

Vietnam was supposed to work on unification through peaceful means, but the North broke the deal and invaded the South. This means after the peace that the North started a civil war against the South. There was a provision that the U.S. could resume bombing the North if it broke the deal, but the Democratic Congress refused, and the South collapsed. So South Vietnam lost the civil war to North Vietnam.


faithful 1 since when is someone exempt from prosecution
because they thought they were doing the right thing, now, you are a very intelligent man... that remark is beneath you.

didn't Himmler, Eichmann. all the S.S. troops think they were doing the right thing. they THOUGHT they were. the war tribunals found them all guilty of war crimes.

if you remember after McNamaras book was published, the head of the American legion, on the today show, said and I quote.
" what he said in that book is close to treason"
I strongly suggest you read his book. Johnson knew full well we couldn't win that war, but kept sending kids in.


Binnie, there you go misinterpreting again. Where in anything I wrote did I claim that motives exempt someone from prosecution? Hint: NOWHERE. I never said anything about whether or not LBJ deserved prosecution or not, only what his own personal intentions were. That's all. Either you or Oak claimed that his motives were financial profit, and I responded to that claim. I'm no fan of his and I couldn't care less if you could go back in time, prosecute him and burn him at the stake.


ok, sorry I misunderstood you, thank you for answering my post.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Hillary throws Colin Powell under the bus.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/us/pol...email.html?_r=0

Pressed by the F.B.I. about her email practices at the State Department, Hillary Clinton told investigators that former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell had advised her to use a personal email account.


She was clearly copping pleas/making excuses in her interview with FBI..and the interview itself was a farce. One thing that she has been able to do is to confuse people about what exactly she did wrong. Defense lawyers in white collar criminal cases do to juries what Hillary's campaign has done to the American public.

==

Chris Christie might have been able to beat Hillary. She's vulnerable on several topics and we see that the general public would have been receptive to his style of communicating. Bridge-gate stopped his momentum.


gets, who cares about colin powell.... bush made him lie in front of congress, bush stripped him of his dignity, he was a man of distinction, now hes a joke, bush ran him over in his Iraq bus. Hillary is beating a dead horse.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
@Ivy

Are you voting third party or skipping the voting process altogether?


I don't like any of the third party candidates either and won't vote for one simply because they're not Trump or Clinton. I'll vote because of the local stuff but I could write in Mickey Mouse and it wouldn't make a difference as far as the presidential election. Utah is probably the most red state in the country and will go Trump's way even though he's the least popular Republican candidate for Utahns in a long time.


Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Ivy,

Let me get this straight.

You are NOT voting for Trump.

YOUR junior Senator, Mike Lee, has NOT endorsed Trump. One of his quotes reads

"A lot of us consider ourselves religious minorities. A lot of us belong to a church whose members were ordered exterminated on Oct. 27, 1838, and are sympathetic to other religious minorities," said U.S. Sen. Mike Lee. "When people speak in terms of religious intolerance, it understandably frightens us."

The words sounds similar to the post I wrote in response to your direct question about why "religious Blacks" tend to vote a certain way.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post887527

If you know how Blacks should be voting or how voting Dem. has effected the "Black community" you SURELY know that the junior Senator for your state has issues with Trump and why.

This what I mean by the "expert" tag. You're speaking about things that you don't seem well versed about and QUIET about things that you would be expected to know.

Person who knows ANYTHING about Blacks and Black voters would know why they tend to vote certain way. Your knowledge of Blacks in America seems limited to crime stats, and studies of pathology in Black culture.Yet you keep posting about what Blacks "should be doing".

Trump dominates the headlines nationally, hard for me to believe that you didn't read or watch account of Lee strongly criticizing him or some of the reasons.

*also, I won't take the bait and reply in kind to your views/comments about my faults. Too often people here press the panic button and lob insults to veer threads off topic.


If I wouldn't vote for Romney (because I took him to task for flip flopping on abortion) I sure won't be voting for Trump.

Anyway, the last I had heard, Lee was one of the holdouts who refused to endorse Trump. But him being the junior Senator from Utah, or being from the same religion, or all the specifics of why he's not supporting Trump are completely beside the point here. He doesn't automatically speak for me, certainly doesn't speak for the Church, and his reasons don't necessarily have any relation to why black vote overwhelmingly Democrat. And that's my point. I get the impression many blacks are what are called "low info" voters. A candidate being a Democrat is all many of these bussed "soul to the poll" voters (who can't find their ID's on election day) know or care to know. They vote straight Democrat because A) it's what's always been done, and B) they totally fail to draw a connection between so many of the problems in the black community and Democrat policies. Democrats tell minority voters, especially in the black community, what they want to hear and unfortunately most buy it every time. You can disagree with me all you want but one just needs to see the seemingly permanent state of so many in the black community to know what I'm talking about.


I suggest you watch this short clip from the underrated movie Bulworth. It sums things up pretty well.

Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 06:42 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Foot,

The thing people keep forgetting is that the people constantly being referred to, Black people dependent on govt. assistance, generally do NOT register to vote.


Trump's appeal to some voters is that they are able to see/hear a candidate say some things that they think and wish they could say publicly. So, sometimes...they applaud his rhetoric whether what he's saying follows logic or not.

He's pandering to and hoodwinking people who haven't figured that out yet.

Once people figure that out, they will have to justify casting a vote for a person with no political experience for the most important job in the country/world. Americans are practical people, so between now and the election, Trump's lack of ANY political experience will sober up even his biggest supporters.





Everyone is dependent on government. Everyone.

What's sad is that black people have to explain their dependence on government, while white people don't. Not only that, white people are given the high ground to outright deny their dependency on government, which is absurd.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 06:49 PM

I am trying to think how am I dependent on government? I get social security because I put into it. But if I lost it I can still live well without it. I don't use the mail. I sent money to people using pay pal.

I went to go some where I go their I don't use public transportation. So tell me how do I use the government?

Maybe I missed something?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
I am trying to think how am I dependent on government? I get social security because I put into it. But if I lost it I can still live well without it. I don't use the mail. I sent money to people using pay pal.

I went to go some where I go their I don't use public transportation. So tell me how do I use the government?

Maybe I missed something?


Don't forget that you also designed and paved all of the roads you used.

You put all of the piping in that connects your house with your region's water supply.

When you fly, you do your own air traffic control. You have a microphone that connects to all pilots, and an app on your phone that navigates the locations and directions of all aircraft in the sky at that time. Privately designed app, of course.

You personally designed and built the city's power sources and grid.

Once a week you drive all of your garbage to the landfill. eeew. The smell is tough to deal with, but it beats paying those unionized garbage pick ups. And you know who else gets a cut of that action.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 07:21 PM

Oh so who do I have to thank for all that Obama or Hillary or both.

Now I will retire from this site.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 07:22 PM

Thank government. You wouldn't have it if not for them.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/20/16 07:28 PM

The government is your GOD. Lol

Without government planes would crash into each other all day and fall out the sky. Nobody would know how to handle anything.

All too typical.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/21/16 01:44 AM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
The government is your GOD. Lol

Without government planes would crash into each other all day and fall out the sky. Nobody would know how to handle anything.

All too typical.


a lot of times the government can help matters because they have the money, and the resources, the flood victims, hurricane sandy victims, government helped a great deal with 911.

if you let the private sector handle things, they fail.

for instance the privatization of the prison system failed miserably. and will now be disbanded.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/21/16 02:31 AM

Most importantly, with government projects and services contracted to private businesses, if they fail, the government can replace them. Imagine if we just flat out relied on the private sector to build our energy grids. Without any regulation. Just let the free market run its course. Imagine someone like Trump owning the company. Oh, the workers demand $20/hour? 'forget it, i'm out'. Then, the hole just sits there in the ground and the citizens go without electricity. That won't happen with a government. If Trump doesn't want to do it, another company will.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/21/16 03:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
The government is your GOD. Lol

Without government planes would crash into each other all day and fall out the sky. Nobody would know how to handle anything.

All too typical.


a lot of times the government can help matters because they have the money, and the resources, the flood victims, hurricane sandy victims, government helped a great deal with 911.

if you let the private sector handle things, they fail.

for instance the privatization of the prison system failed miserably. and will now be disbanded.


The government doesn't have money and resources. It has a legal monopoly on the use of violence. It uses force to steal money by force from people and then takes a cut towards itself and redistributes the money to others. It only has what it takes through taxation.

Privatization isn't the same as free market. Government contractors are paid by the government. That's government subsidized. Socialized costs with private profits. That's bad.

If a real private business that's not government subsidized were to fail at something, it's ok. Other competitors can always take over depending on the business. If the government fails, tax payers eat the bill. If the government fails, it doesn't go out of business. The government will simply demand more funding instead. The government can't file for bankruptcy usually, which means they'll go further into debt, which means more damage done, using up resources inefficiently.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/23/16 08:13 PM

Today I listened to Hannity interviewing Ann Coulter (both avid Trump supporters) who stated that there were "30, 40, 50 million illegal aliens in the country." That narrows it down.

Earlier in the day I listened to Laura Ingraham who stated that "the polls are tightening." That reflects (as I posted above) Michael Savage's statement on or about August 16 that Trump was "surging in the polls."
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/23/16 08:58 PM

Government assistance was designed to be a temporary fix to get people back on their feet. The system has failed miserably. Many have come to make it a way of life. Three months max and once in a lifetime should one get unemployment and food stamps. The poor don't get any breaks? Then tell me how single parents get back multiple times the amounts of how much they pay in income tax, when they get their tax return. My mother works in booking at the county jail. She gets so pissed when these scumbags (mainly the prostitutes, dealers, and users) come in with a wallet or purse stuffed with cash and their ebt cards. Hilary isnt qualified for the job. Her husband internationally humiliated her. She took it, so that one day she would get the presidency. The American public could not handle a divorce in the white house. This proud woman who represents women, backed down when her husband was caught fucking an intern and all the others. She has an agenda, not pride. She makes me sick. If she wins, there will be little to no change. If Trump wins, we will see change. Thats what we need. If he fails, we know never to vote for his kind again. If he succeeds, what can I say? I told you so. Lol. We're fucked either way. The president cant fix the mess society has brought onto itself in the last 40-50 years. Those damn hippies destroyed morals and values.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/23/16 09:01 PM

How about Trump's campaign team insisting Trump's now running a more mature campaign and sticking to the issues, at the exact same time he's in a twitter war with MSNBC anchors, accusing two of them having an affair with each other?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/23/16 09:05 PM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
If Trump wins, we will see change.


Believe me, nobody's going to argue with that.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/23/16 09:17 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
How about Trump's campaign team insisting Trump's now running a more mature campaign and sticking to the issues, at the exact same time he's in a twitter war with MSNBC anchors, accusing two of them having an affair with each other?


Isn't that affair a known secret Oaks? That rumor has been going on for a while no?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/23/16 10:34 PM

I have no idea.

I just know Trump's campaign team is promising a more issue-driven campaign, less wars of words, considering his poll numbers plummeted when he was engaging in such behavior, all the while Trump is blasting away at news anchors on Twitter.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/23/16 11:36 PM

That's probably because they were blasting him. I watch all the three major cable networks and scratch my head on the differences in their reporting. MSNBC and CNN bash Trump all day long while Fox News blasts Hillary. I do have to say Fox New seems more fair and balanced that the other two. Just my opinion, They always have guests who represent both the Democrats and the Republicans perspective.

These rumors about Joe and Mika from MSNBC was recently reported. in the news. Here is an article:
http://pagesix.com/2016/06/29/mikas-hush-hush-divorce-fuels-joe-romance-chatter/
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/24/16 12:07 AM

A presidential candidate is going to get "blasted", i.e., criticized, insulted, etc.

Trump's campaign team promised he would no longer respond to such barbs, and instead focus on the issues. Maybe they ought to brief Trump himself on this strategy...
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/24/16 05:29 PM

Arizona GOP Sen. Jeff Flake delivered a brutal condemnation of Donald Trump's presidential campaign on Tuesday, saying the party's nominee neither can, nor should, win the election. At a town hall event at the Tempe campus of insurance carrier Allstate, Flake slammed Trump's policies and tone, and has "little faith at this point that he will change," Politico reports. "One, I don’t think he can win if he continues to run this kind of campaign," Flake said. "And two, I don’t think he should win as he continues to campaign as he is, taking the kinds of positions he’s taking and the language he’s using."
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/24/16 08:15 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Arizona GOP Sen. Jeff Flake delivered a brutal condemnation of Donald Trump's presidential campaign on Tuesday, saying the party's nominee neither can, nor should, win the election. At a town hall event at the Tempe campus of insurance carrier Allstate, Flake slammed Trump's policies and tone, and has "little faith at this point that he will change," Politico reports. "One, I don’t think he can win if he continues to run this kind of campaign," Flake said. "And two, I don’t think he should win as he continues to campaign as he is, taking the kinds of positions he’s taking and the language he’s using."


its McCain who should be blasting trump, for his take on pows

saying they are heroes because they were captured, very disrespectful to them, and very wrong. pows are heroes sacrificing years in prison camps,

McCain didn't have the guts to stick up for the ex pows, nor

did he blast trump, when he wouln"t endorse him. no one has any respect for McCain anymore........ trumps toady.

Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/25/16 05:21 PM

"It's just rhetoric but it's still annoying," Ann Coulter told The Hill Wednesday night. "I think he panicked and he had to say [it] ... I don't think he is softening [about immigration]. I mean the big thing is the wall." Coulter, a hardline opponent of illegal immigration and one of Trump's most prominent media backers, was speaking to The Hill at a party to launch her new book, "In Trump We Trust: E Pluribus Awesome!" In the book, Coulter writes that "there's nothing Trump can do that won't be forgiven. Except change his immigration policies." But now that Trump is toying with doing just that, Coulter is placed in the awkward position of having to defend a man who is no longer drawing such a hard line on immigration

UPDATE:

Conservative author Ann Coulter is such a fervent supporter of Donald Trump that she wrote a book, released this week, called "In Trump We Trust." In the book, she wrote that there was only one thing the Republican nominee could do that would be unforgivable. And he already did it this week.

"There's nothing Trump can do that won't be forgiven," Coulter wrote. "Except change his immigration policies." Over the past several days, Trump has moved to significantly moderate his hard-line immigration policies.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/25/16 10:34 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
"It's just rhetoric but it's still annoying," Ann Coulter told The Hill Wednesday night. "I think he panicked and he had to say [it] ... I don't think he is softening [about immigration]. I mean the big thing is the wall." Coulter, a hardline opponent of illegal immigration and one of Trump's most prominent media backers, was speaking to The Hill at a party to launch her new book, "In Trump We Trust: E Pluribus Awesome!" In the book, Coulter writes that "there's nothing Trump can do that won't be forgiven. Except change his immigration policies." But now that Trump is toying with doing just that, Coulter is placed in the awkward position of having to defend a man who is no longer drawing such a hard line on immigration

UPDATE:

Conservative author Ann Coulter is such a fervent supporter of Donald Trump that she wrote a book, released this week, called "In Trump We Trust." In the book, she wrote that there was only one thing the Republican nominee could do that would be unforgivable. And he already did it this week.

"There's nothing Trump can do that won't be forgiven," Coulter wrote. "Except change his immigration policies." Over the past several days, Trump has moved to significantly moderate his hard-line immigration policies.


oh, that's classic, ann coulter big fangirl. lol,lol
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/25/16 11:20 PM

lol. Maybe she can rush to get those books off the shelves. I'm sure her fans would buy them up no matter what.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/25/16 11:56 PM

Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton leads Republican rival Donald Trump by 10 points in a national poll released Thursday. Quinnipiac surveyed 1,498 likely voters between Aug. 18–24.

Clinton leads Trump, 51 percent to 41 percent among likely voters, in a two-way race, according to the Quinnipiac University poll. Clinton leads Trump by 7 points, 45 percent to 38 percent, when third-party candidates are factored in. Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson has 10 percent support in that scenario while Green Party nominee Jill Stein has 4 percent.

The poll finds Trump with 29 percent support among millennials between the ages of 18 and 34, and 15 percent support among nonwhites. The Republican nominee leads Clinton among white men, 59 percent to 32 percent, and voters who are 50 years of age and older.

Clinton, however, has the support of women, 60 percent to 36 percent, and those younger than 50.

More than half of the likely voters surveyed, 53 percent, said they had "strongly unfavorable" views of Trump, while 46 percent said the same about Clinton.

When asked if they thought that Trump and Clinton took responsibility for their mistakes, only 32 percent of respondents answered "yes" for each candidate.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/26/16 12:13 AM

Nate Silver now has Hillary Clinton with a 75.7% chance of winning the swing state of Florida.


http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/26/16 01:05 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Nate Silver now has Hillary Clinton with a 75.7% chance of winning the swing state of Florida.


http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/


helenwheels..... do you think there is any thing to the threat of Julian Assange, who claims to have very damaging e mails of hillarys that he is going to release.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/26/16 06:58 AM

It's certainly the current horn bet the GOP is throwing their chips on. They haven't hit it yet.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/26/16 03:45 PM

A Russian-born, mafia-linked businessman whose ties to both Donald Trump and loyalists of Russian President Vladimir Putin have sparked scrutiny, visited Trump Tower last month for undisclosed business, he told POLITICO. The businessman, Felix Sater, also donated the maximum allowable contribution to Trump’s presidential campaign, according to the campaign’s most recent FEC filing.

Sater’s business relationship with Trump has been the subject of sworn testimony by both men and has come under scrutiny because of Sater’s past associations and the Trump campaign’s unusual stances on Russia. Sater was convicted for stabbing a man in a bar fight in the early '90s, and pleaded guilty to racketeering in 1998 for his role in a mob-orchestrated stock fraud, according to The Washington Post. His racketeering sentence was reduced for cooperating with American intelligence officials on undisclosed matters related to national security.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/27/16 03:51 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
A Russian-born, mafia-linked businessman whose ties to both Donald Trump and loyalists of Russian President Vladimir Putin have sparked scrutiny, visited Trump Tower last month for undisclosed business, he told POLITICO. The businessman, Felix Sater, also donated the maximum allowable contribution to Trump’s presidential campaign, according to the campaign’s most recent FEC filing.

Sater’s business relationship with Trump has been the subject of sworn testimony by both men and has come under scrutiny because of Sater’s past associations and the Trump campaign’s unusual stances on Russia. Sater was convicted for stabbing a man in a bar fight in the early '90s, and pleaded guilty to racketeering in 1998 for his role in a mob-orchestrated stock fraud, according to The Washington Post. His racketeering sentence was reduced for cooperating with American intelligence officials on undisclosed matters related to national security.


oly.... we may be hearing about just the tip of the iceberg
with trump and the Russians.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/27/16 04:31 PM

Addressing an adoring crowd in Texas this week, Donald Trump boasted about his perceptions of the latest polling data. “I don’t know if you’ve seen what’s happening,” the Republican said, “but over the last three weeks, the polls with African American folks and Spanish-speaking folks, the Hispanics, Latinos, have gone way up. Way up. They’ve gone way up.”

And while that may sound like great news for the GOP candidate’s supporters, there’s a small problem with Trump’s claim: there’s literally no evidence of it being true. In fact, actual data points in the opposite direction, and it seems Trump just made up these poll results out of whole cloth.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/28/16 12:17 AM

Anti-Trump Republicans are preparing to launch a broadcast TV ad in a handful of swing-state suburbs urging Donald Trump to quit the presidential race so the party can replace him with a more electable nominee.

The ad, titled "Keep Your Word," features footage of Trump during the Republican primary in which he suggested he'd drop out if he saw his poll numbers decline.

The 30-second spot is marked for a limited run on broadcast networks in suburban Florida, Virginia, Ohio and Michigan, according to Regina Thomson, a Colorado Republican activist and leader of Free the Delegates, the organization that failed to stop Trump's nomination at last month's national convention. All four states are central to Trump's path to the White House, though he's trailing in most polls of those states.

The ads will begin running Tuesday.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/28/16 12:38 AM

Paging Jeb...
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/28/16 04:05 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Addressing an adoring crowd in Texas this week, Donald Trump boasted about his perceptions of the latest polling data. “I don’t know if you’ve seen what’s happening,” the Republican said, “but over the last three weeks, the polls with African American folks and Spanish-speaking folks, the Hispanics, Latinos, have gone way up. Way up. They’ve gone way up.”

And while that may sound like great news for the GOP candidate’s supporters, there’s a small problem with Trump’s claim: there’s literally no evidence of it being true. In fact, actual data points in the opposite direction, and it seems Trump just made up these poll results out of whole cloth.


Wouldn't be the first time he made things up whole cloth.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/28/16 06:01 AM

The problem with the polls is that supposedly they can't use random cell phone numbers to poll people. Only land line. Who even has a land line phone anymore? That being said, my healthcare went up 40 percent last year and as of 1-1-17 my health insurance (Which covers myself, my spouse, and my 4 children) is going up 130 percent. That is a fact.When I started working at Cat 11 years ago I paid 9 dollars a week for my health insurance. And we rarely even use it. Once a year per person at the most. How is this healthcare act affordable? Affordable to who? People who don't work? To everyone but the hardworking middle class man with a family? It's bullshit.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/28/16 06:10 AM

Somehow the polls are still almost always right.

No matter who is president or what the health care policy would be, everyone would be paying more today than they paid "years ago", no matter what, just as with everything else in the world that goes up in price.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/28/16 04:51 PM

Ben Carson, the former presidential candidate and adviser to Donald Trump, wants the GOP nominee to stop calling his opponent a racist. “I don’t generally get into the name-calling thing,” Carson said in a phone interview with The Daily Beast on Friday morning. “I kind of left that behind in the third grade. I certainly don’t encourage it because the issues that we’re facing are incredibly important—for us and for the future generations.”
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/29/16 05:15 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Ben Carson, the former presidential candidate and adviser to Donald Trump, wants the GOP nominee to stop calling his opponent a racist. “I don’t generally get into the name-calling thing,” Carson said in a phone interview with The Daily Beast on Friday morning. “I kind of left that behind in the third grade. I certainly don’t encourage it because the issues that we’re facing are incredibly important—for us and for the future generations.”


trump will continue his character assassination on Hillary
and it may get worse, when he comes out of the debates a sure loser he will really open upon her then. and then we will
see the real Donald trump, a very disturbed individual.

Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/30/16 02:02 AM

Mark Cuban tweeted on Monday to declare that Donald Trump's "ignorance" could lead the US into "World War III."

"There is nothing more important than this election right now," Cuban posted. "Trump's ignorance of the world could get us into a world war."
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/30/16 05:56 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Somehow the polls are still almost always right.

No matter who is president or what the health care policy would be, everyone would be paying more today than they paid "years ago", no matter what, just as with everything else in the world that goes up in price.


Funny thing, with Obama gas prices went down, yet my Healthcare premiums have almost tripled since 2009. Coincidence? I think not.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/30/16 06:03 AM

I think it's a coincidence.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/30/16 06:23 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I think it's a coincidence.


Doubt it. 11 years with a company and all the suddent healthcare jumps 200 percent after Obama takes office and announces the affordable health care act? Maybe you're that gullible, but not me. Plus it's obvious you probably aren't paying health care premiums, have a family of your own or legitimate employment or you would see the world not exactly as I do, but along the same lines. What? Living with your parents playing video games? Watching porn and dreaming of a meaningful relationship with a human being of the opposite sex? Tell me if I am close.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/30/16 06:27 AM

I'm not gullible. I just don't feel you've made a good enough case to convince me. You're provided no verifiable facts connecting the two. With the information you've given, and it isn't much, I'm left to believe it was a coincidence.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/30/16 06:28 AM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Plus it's obvious you probably aren't paying health care premiums, have a family of your own or legitimate employment or you would see the world not exactly as I do, but along the same lines. What? Living with your parents playing video games? Watching porn and dreaming of a meaningful relationship with a human being of the opposite sex? Tell me if I am close.


Wrong on every single count.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/30/16 06:29 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Mark Cuban tweeted on Monday to declare that Donald Trump's "ignorance" could lead the US into "World War III."

"There is nothing more important than this election right now," Cuban posted. "Trump's ignorance of the world could get us into a world war."



mark Cuban is no dummy, if he is this concerned over trump, how many more business people are?

what he says is quite disturbing,
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 08/30/16 06:35 AM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Somehow the polls are still almost always right.

No matter who is president or what the health care policy would be, everyone would be paying more today than they paid "years ago", no matter what, just as with everything else in the world that goes up in price.


Funny thing, with Obama gas prices went down, yet my Healthcare premiums have almost tripled since 2009. Coincidence? I think not.


Gas prices went down because fracking increased the oil supply. Saudi Arabia then decided it was going to artificially lower its prices to destroy fracking. So no connection to Obamacare.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 04:38 PM

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/7095...-coughing-faint

Hillary fainted this morning at 9/11 event.

I remember when Pizza said this.

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

When Reagan, Dole and McCain ran their campaigns, the Left was all too quick to mock their age. Well, guess what? She's the same age now as they were then. What's good for the Right is good for the Left.


Trump brought up HC's health issues but that was swept under the rug.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 04:45 PM

This thread should be re-titled

"Now That We Know Donald Trump Isn't Winning the Presidency".
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 04:52 PM

That would be awkward if Hillary has to find out about her landslide victory while in the hospital. Get well, Mrs. Clinton.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 05:03 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
This thread should be re-titled

"Now That We Know Donald Trump Isn't Winning the Presidency".


oak i wouldent be completely sure about anything those polls are not always right and even if they are correct i thought trump was catching up on hillary? with the Brexit vote in the UK all the polls the bookies everyone was saying it would remain then look what happened we left there is lot of similarities

Would she be allowed to continue if she is sick? not sure how it works
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 05:44 PM

In 2000, John Ashcroft lost that Missouri election to a dead guy. So, it wouldn't be the first time. Like I said, it sure would be awkward if Hillary gets the news of winning while in the hospital or something. I suppose if Hillary for some reason is not healthy enough to serve then Kaine takes over.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 06:36 PM

Ya'll could save yourselves alot of speculation if you read the 25th amendment.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 06:38 PM

So it goes Kaine, then Paul Ryan. I guess there is an avenue for the GOP to get back into the white house after all.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
So it goes Kaine, then Paul Ryan. I guess there is an avenue for the GOP to get back into the white house after all.


Oak, I think it could go either way. What I base that on is that Hillary seems to be on shaky ground in the swing states poll-wise. If she were a normal candidate put forward by the Democrat party against Trump she would be much further ahead than she is. But as we know, Hillary is anything but normal.

I don't think I can vote for either candidate. The reasons are too numerous to even list. No matter who gets elected, it will not be a good outcome for the country either way. It's a good idea to prepare for what the election of either candidate means.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 07:44 PM

Well, we have one candidate guaranteeing chaos by declaring war with Mexican immigrants and Muslims, and promising to nuke countries. I'll take the one at least trying to prevent it.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 08:26 PM

well, as far as I'm concerned trump is getting a lot of help from the media. witness matt lauers evident bias against Hillary, instead of sticking to issues the first thing the moron did was ask her about her e-mails, then refused to hear her thoughts on national security, he moved on refusing to let her talk. did he ask trump about why he still refuses to make public his tax returns? of course not. no one in the press asks him that question, so he gets away with not releasing them.

will the moderarors in the debates ask him about his tax returns? don't count on it, this guy getting a pass.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 08:39 PM

Lauer wants to be host of Trump's next reality show.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 09:27 PM

the dumb-ass is certainly helping him get elected, I never saw such a uninformed, shameless moderator, why cant they pounce on him about his tax returns, rommney says they contain a bombshell, these trump people are sickos, his son eric tweeted a pic of one of trumps rallies, only thing is the idiot tweeted a pic of the dallas mavericks stadium, mavericks owner called the dumb trump on it in a tweet,cant any trump tell the truth?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 09:35 PM

What if Hillary dies? During the 9/11 ceremony's she had some kind of an attack. She doubled over and almost passed out. They needed a fork lift to get her in her car. smile she is a fat fuck. No wonder why Bill cheated on her.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 09:45 PM

foot, you drinking? what attack? a fork lift to get her in her car? lol,lol trump lies, every one of them.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 09:52 PM

Too busy today to watch the 9/11 ceremony? She collapsed during it.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 09:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
What if Hillary dies?


It means Donald Trump loses to a dead person.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 10:11 PM

Prior to the election, the parties would decide who would be their respective candidates if an original candidate dies. After that, the 20th and 25th Amendments take over. Keep in mind that the results of the Electoral College vote are not official until decided so by the Congress in early January.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 10:53 PM

if they let Hillary continue to run as a dead person then I'd seriously vote for her.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/11/16 11:09 PM

Trump needs to worry about the republicans if he gets elected. They hate him more than democrats, people working politics 30years and he gets off his couch and decided that he wants to be president
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 12:35 AM

Hillary isn't looking fit to be President - literally.

So far, Trump hasn't commented on her fainting nor her pneumonia diagnosis; he hasn't tweeted about it.

Does he really want to be President? I mean really?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 01:03 AM

Maybe even Trump knows his campaign is a lost cause.

The other day, he said that Hillary's comments about his supporters being deplorables would "hurt her in the polls". Mind you, not cost her the election or anything, just hurt her in the polls. His words. It doesn't take Freud to see that he's starting to come to terms with defeat.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 02:37 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Maybe even Trump knows his campaign is a lost cause.

The other day, he said that Hillary's comments about his supporters being deplorables would "hurt her in the polls". Mind you, not cost her the election or anything, just hurt her in the polls. His words. It doesn't take Freud to see that he's starting to come to terms with defeat.


Speaking of polls:

"However, a Washington Post poll released Sunday shows Clinton leading Trump 45-to-35 percent among registered voters, essentially unchanged from when the party’s nomination conventions ended in late August.
The Post poll also shows Clinton ahead by 8 percentage points, 51-43, among “likely” voters."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/...-10-points.html
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 05:03 AM

Bruh, y'all gotta let it go with the shit flinging and saying one side is better than the other. We got Trump, dude that hasn't accomplished nothing political, and Clinton, who's family is more powerful than the Genovese family and all of Sicily, and y'all bitching over this shit on who gonna be elected? I am republican all the way, but guys we fucked either way.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 05:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
well, as far as I'm concerned trump is getting a lot of help from the media. witness matt lauers evident bias against Hillary, instead of sticking to issues the first thing the moron did was ask her about her e-mails, then refused to hear her thoughts on national security, he moved on refusing to let her talk.


Here's the thing Binnie,

Since Hillary broke the law and communicated top secret information on her un-secure home bathroom server, and was found out, she has given no press conferences for well over 200 days straight. FBI Director Comey carries her water like a good little slave by covering up for her, and ruining legal precedent in the process. Then she gets on TV and lies about Comey and the FBI's findings. Then she blacks out the media for like 250 days straight and whatnot. Excuse me. You are running for President. You need to damn well answer questions about how you threw national security out of your bathroom window, with the baby and the bathwater I might add.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 05:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
foot, you drinking? what attack? a fork lift to get her in her car? lol,lol trump lies, every one of them.


Binnie, you know I wouldn't lie to you. I saw the video myself today. She was being held up by the arms. She tried to take a step and wobbled like a rag doll. Other security stepped out in front to try and block the TV cameras. She nearly fell on her face and practically didn't make it into her vehicle. They had to literally load her in. She was a mess. Then her spin machine turns around and blames it on "dehydration".

yeah right
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 05:34 AM

Enjoying all the establishment media orwellian doublespeak going on right now. All of them are tripping over themselves to protect the Wall Street candidate with their blatant "Hillary Clinton is perfectly healthy and it's all a right wing conspiracy and she's not a criminal" articles. They read like satire. It's an amazing thing to witness.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 05:56 AM

What do you think it is, Alfa? Do you think she has Zika? The knee jerk assumption that she's hiding something is no less strange than the health issues.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 06:25 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
What do you think it is, Alfa? Do you think she has Zika? The knee jerk assumption that she's hiding something is no less strange than the health issues.


Oak, I don't think it's pneumonia. No way.

She appeared to be lightheaded or demented in some way, and if you watch the video up until she is thrust into her vehicle, she is clearly on her knees. Her right shin is parallel to the sidewalk. Therefore she basically fell into the car.

Someone pointed out something that could be very telling. They said her security didn't react in a frightened or shocked manner when she collapsed. This could mean they weren't surprised and know something about her health.

Whatever it is, someone like that should not be campaigning for President. As a matter of fact, they shouldn't even leave their house.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 06:41 AM

All I know is these so called health issues became a story the same time it was evident that Trump was going to get no post convention bump in the polls. I don't know what's up with Hillary's health. But I know this being used as a hail mary strategy for Republicans is comical. She's fine.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 07:24 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
All I know is these so called health issues became a story the same time it was evident that Trump was going to get no post convention bump in the polls. I don't know what's up with Hillary's health. But I know this being used as a hail mary strategy for Republicans is comical. She's fine.


I can dig it.

Did you see the video yet, of her collapsing?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 09:26 AM

If her doctors are not lying and if she does have walking pneumonia. That can and does lead to bronchitis. That my friends is contagious to others and can lead to coughing fits.

Imagine if all the reporters on her plane come down with it smile that would be something.

The bad news is anyone else older or very young could get it as well like Billy boy and even her grand child can get it.

If she does not rest bronchitis can lead to a chronic condition.

It is no joke when it happens to an older person.

We can only hope it is not pneumonia which can be fatal and instead lung cancer that is even more fatal that fucking [BadWord]. smile
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 10:05 AM

I just saw an article that Bernie Sanders and Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Roy DeMeo and Chuck Schumer have a lot in common.

They all graduated from Madison HS here in Brooklyn.

You won't believe this but Ruth Bader at that time was actually hot smile

So Trump and Sanders have a lot in common. They both were friends with mob guys smile Sanders was in the same graduating class as DeMeo and Trump friends with Tony Salerno smile

Chuck Schumer and his protege Anthony Weiner mothers were both in the public school system and both wash women graduated from public Brooklyn HS. Both like to be known as tough guys. In fact both are pussys with no guts.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 12:30 PM

She has pneumonia and released the same day? Ok. I work in the ICU. Someone who has pneumonia, especially to the extent that they collapse, doesnt go home on their merry way with some abx. She's 68? Pneumonia isn't a good problem to have. Especially at that age added with all of the work she has been doing. A pill is good, but to fix the problem in a situation such as pneumonia. She should be on iv abx, breathing tx, rest, and under observation. She has a neurological condition, and abx isn't fixing that. My guess, end stage syphilis. Lol. She needs to give it up. She's weak and.has underlying medical conditions which are clearly catching up with her and affecting her physical condition. Soon, the tremors begin and she starts talking to people who she has killed and fishing in her swimming pool. Unfortunately for her, shes not getting instant karma. I hope she suffers.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Did you see the video yet, of her collapsing?


Yeah, I saw it. The part where her head explodes like Scanners was quite telling.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 06:04 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
All I know is these so called health issues became a story the same time it was evident that Trump was going to get no post convention bump in the polls. I don't know what's up with Hillary's health. But I know this being used as a hail mary strategy for Republicans is comical. She's fine.


When she's six feet under you'll still say "she's fine!" LOL Maybe you ought to read Democrat journalist Chris Cilizza of the Washington Post. He was in denial for a long time too, but now is forced to admit that it's serious. If you know anything about Chris Cilizza you'd know that he's about as far away from the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy of Dastardly Republicans as one can get.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/12/16 06:35 PM

It's hard to tell how serious it is.

She says pneumonia.

People strictly going by the facts are saying it might have something to do with a past collapse when she hit her head.

And, of course, Republicans are saying that she has Zika Virus, Ebola, AIDS, God is punishing her for Benghazi, Karma is punishing her for Benghazi, Buddha is punishing her for Benghazi, Korean Jesus is punishing her for Benghazi, Slender Man is punishing her for Benghazi, Jor-El is punishing her for Benghazi, and Cyrus in Warriors is punishing her for Benghazi. I mean it. I've heard all of these things in the past week alone. So, forgive me if I wait this out before jumping to conclusions.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 02:10 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
And, of course, Republicans are saying that she has Zika Virus, Ebola, AIDS, God is punishing her for Benghazi, Karma is punishing her for Benghazi, Buddha is punishing her for Benghazi, Korean Jesus is punishing her for Benghazi, Slender Man is punishing her for Benghazi, Jor-El is punishing her for Benghazi, and Cyrus in Warriors is punishing her for Benghazi. I mean it. I've heard all of these things in the past week alone. So, forgive me if I wait this out before jumping to conclusions.


Biased much?
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan


And, of course, Republicans are saying that she has Zika Virus, Ebola, AIDS, God is punishing her for Benghazi, Karma is punishing her for Benghazi, Buddha is punishing her for Benghazi, Korean Jesus is punishing her for Benghazi, Slender Man is punishing her for Benghazi, Jor-El is punishing her for Benghazi, and Cyrus in Warriors is punishing her for Benghazi. I mean it. I've heard all of these things in the past week alone. So, forgive me if I wait this out before jumping to conclusions.


Of course, her illness may be due to her guilt for having kidnapped the Lindberg baby.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 03:18 AM

I'm open to the theory that Putin poisoned her.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 04:06 AM

With respect and I mean utmost respect to you Olivant, but you guys read way too much into CIA/James Bond Conspiracy labels. She is sick, the media sensors her every move. What if shes a chronic smoker and doesn't allow herself to be photographed? Could be a million reasons to be honest. Doubt Trump has the CIA behind him injecting her with drugs, just not plausible, yet.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 07:18 AM

is parkinsons a possibility, god, I hope not. that little heat stroke didn't help her, all she needs now is a staffer to come out and blow the whistle. concerning her run for president THIS IS BAD. what don't we know??
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 07:23 AM

[quote=LaLouisiane]With respect and I mean utmost respect to you Olivant, but you guys read way too much into CIA/James Bond Conspiracy labels. She is sick, the media sensors her every move. What if shes a chronic smoker and doesn't allow herself to be photographed? Could be a million reasons to be honest. Doubt Trump has the CIA behind him injecting her with drugs, just not plausible, yet. [/quote

now, lou just because she had tea with monica Lewinsky, doesn't mean a thing.

p.s. david duke going to be a senator from Louisana?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 08:03 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
It's hard to tell how serious it is.

She says pneumonia.

People strictly going by the facts are saying it might have something to do with a past collapse when she hit her head.

And, of course, Republicans are saying that she has Zika Virus, Ebola, AIDS, God is punishing her for Benghazi, Karma is punishing her for Benghazi, Buddha is punishing her for Benghazi, Korean Jesus is punishing her for Benghazi, Slender Man is punishing her for Benghazi, Jor-El is punishing her for Benghazi, and Cyrus in Warriors is punishing her for Benghazi. I mean it. I've heard all of these things in the past week alone. So, forgive me if I wait this out before jumping to conclusions.


Actually, that's the best answer. We should wait it out and see instead of trying to make guesses. We're not doctors, and we are especially not her doctors. She may just have pneumonia and may fully recover from it, or she may have something much worse. We don't know for certain either way, so let's just see how things play out.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 01:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
It's hard to tell how serious it is.

She says pneumonia.

People strictly going by the facts are saying it might have something to do with a past collapse when she hit her head.

And, of course, Republicans are saying that she has Zika Virus, Ebola, AIDS, God is punishing her for Benghazi, Karma is punishing her for Benghazi, Buddha is punishing her for Benghazi, Korean Jesus is punishing her for Benghazi, Slender Man is punishing her for Benghazi, Jor-El is punishing her for Benghazi, and Cyrus in Warriors is punishing her for Benghazi. I mean it. I've heard all of these things in the past week alone. So, forgive me if I wait this out before jumping to conclusions.


Actually, that's the best answer. We should wait it out and see instead of trying to make guesses. We're not doctors, and we are especially not her doctors. She may just have pneumonia and may fully recover from it, or she may have something much worse. We don't know for certain either way, so let's just see how things play out.


That's actually good advice, but I still lean towards Hillary Clinton being unfit. Why. Because whatever is ailing her, her and her campaign have deemed it to be damaging to her run for president if it were ever broadcast. Therefore what-ever she is sick with, it disqualifies her. This is someone who was being held up like a Jim Henson puppet, a Raggedy Ann doll, and literally tossed, tossed, into her car like a slab of beef. I've never seen anything like it, ever. She has got to be kidding.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 04:16 PM

Heat stroke my ass. It was only 80 degrees, no damn way you have a heat stroke and it's only 80 in a state with low humidity. Hell it would be hard to have one here with sky high humidity at 80 degrees. Then once the video comes out she changes from heatstroke (I'm sorry she meant overheated) to pneumonia. I know when I had pneumonia I didn't need 2 or 3 folks to drag my ass around. She was having a seizure or stroke one. She couldn't move her feet right and had no control over her body. Sorry but that ain't pneumonia.

Yet she'll come out with a paper from her personal doctor stating that she is perfectly healthy and some of her idiot followers will swear up and down she is A-ok. Yea go ahead and believe that....
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 04:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: Faithful1

Actually, that's the best answer. We should wait it out and see instead of trying to make guesses. We're not doctors, and we are especially not her doctors. She may just have pneumonia and may fully recover from it, or she may have something much worse. We don't know for certain either way, so let's just see how things play out.


That's actually good advice, but I still lean towards Hillary Clinton being unfit. Why. Because whatever is ailing her, her and her campaign have deemed it to be damaging to her run for president if it were ever broadcast. Therefore what-ever she is sick with, it disqualifies her. This is someone who was being held up like a Jim Henson puppet, a Raggedy Ann doll, and literally tossed, tossed, into her car like a slab of beef. I've never seen anything like it, ever. She has got to be kidding.


We agree that she's unfit, but not for the reason you wrote. She intentionally mishandled state secrets, and that disqualifies her. As for her health problems, they may be disqualifying but I'd rather wait and see. Ronald Reagan almost died from an assassin but managed to finish his two terms. George H. W. Bush developed pneumonia and even vomited on the Japanese prime minister, but he recovered and finished his term and is still around today in his 90s.

I'll admit this: part of her defense to mishandling classified information was that she had lingering memory problems from her concussion. Now that is concerning. Look what happens to football players after getting concussions. That's not something that goes away like a virus. At her age, who knows? It could accelerate dementia, and yes, that would be disqualifying. Then start getting ready for Tim Kaine to take her place.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
That's actually good advice, but I still lean towards Hillary Clinton being unfit. Why. Because whatever is ailing her, her and her campaign have deemed it to be damaging to her run for president if it were ever broadcast. Therefore what-ever she is sick with, it disqualifies her. This is someone who was being held up like a Jim Henson puppet, a Raggedy Ann doll, and literally tossed, tossed, into her car like a slab of beef. I've never seen anything like it, ever. She has got to be kidding.


Nah.

Reagan was showing signs of Alzheimer's in his final years in office. Some have even pointed out signs of it early in his presidency. According to some that were around him, he was forgetting a lot of basic things that healthy people his age wouldn't forget. We're talking the leader of the free world here.

It turns out Kennedy was very sick in the 3 years he was president.

FDR, who many historians believe was the greatest leader in the history of the free world, was sick most of his presidency.

Having serious health issues only lines Hillary up with other legends. It'll add a nice touch to the campaign. It'll show toughness and perseverance. It will embolden her base and draw admiration from swing voters. Americans like that. Overcoming illness. Overcoming odds.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 05:26 PM

Reagan having Alzheimer's wasn't a good thing. That's why it was hidden.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 05:32 PM

Agreed. Just speaking to the point that this is all somehow a first. We've had a lot of sickly presidents.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
That's actually good advice, but I still lean towards Hillary Clinton being unfit. Why. Because whatever is ailing her, her and her campaign have deemed it to be damaging to her run for president if it were ever broadcast. Therefore what-ever she is sick with, it disqualifies her. This is someone who was being held up like a Jim Henson puppet, a Raggedy Ann doll, and literally tossed, tossed, into her car like a slab of beef. I've never seen anything like it, ever. She has got to be kidding.


Nah.

Reagan was showing signs of Alzheimer's in his final years in office. Some have even pointed out signs of it early in his presidency. According to some that were around him, he was forgetting a lot of basic things that healthy people his age wouldn't forget. We're talking the leader of the free world here.

It turns out Kennedy was very sick in the 3 years he was president.

FDR, who many historians believe was the greatest leader in the history of the free world, was sick most of his presidency.

Having serious health issues only lines Hillary up with other legends. It'll add a nice touch to the campaign. It'll show toughness and perseverance. It will embolden her base and draw admiration from swing voters. Americans like that. Overcoming illness. Overcoming odds.



A. It's debatable that Reagan had Alzheimer's during his presidency.

B. Yes, Kennedy was very sick, but he kept it hidden from the American public.

C. Likewise, FDR kept the severity of his disease from the public and became very sick in 1944 and looked it. He was dying and finally passed away in 1945.

Today people expect transparency and voters believe they have a right to know if their candidate has a serious illness. If the public knew about JFK's conditions in 1960 he wouldn't have been elected or would have dropped out, same thing for FDR in his 4th term.

No, it doesn't show toughness and perseverance. That's a fantasy.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 06:51 PM

Lol the statists and political class are stuck in the FDR days. Back when the media could protect the president and keep things under wraps. Deception used to be so much easier and they hate how things are changing fast. I love it.

I really hope she makes it all the way through so the propaganda machine can continue to lose credibility.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 06:57 PM

If we're lucky the tired old bag will croak within the month. But then we'd have to put OakAsFan on suicide watch.


Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 07:22 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
That's actually good advice, but I still lean towards Hillary Clinton being unfit. Why. Because whatever is ailing her, her and her campaign have deemed it to be damaging to her run for president if it were ever broadcast. Therefore what-ever she is sick with, it disqualifies her. This is someone who was being held up like a Jim Henson puppet, a Raggedy Ann doll, and literally tossed, tossed, into her car like a slab of beef. I've never seen anything like it, ever. She has got to be kidding.


Nah.

Reagan was showing signs of Alzheimer's in his final years in office. Some have even pointed out signs of it early in his presidency. According to some that were around him, he was forgetting a lot of basic things that healthy people his age wouldn't forget. We're talking the leader of the free world here.

It turns out Kennedy was very sick in the 3 years he was president.

FDR, who many historians believe was the greatest leader in the history of the free world, was sick most of his presidency.

Having serious health issues only lines Hillary up with other legends. It'll add a nice touch to the campaign. It'll show toughness and perseverance. It will embolden her base and draw admiration from swing voters. Americans like that. Overcoming illness. Overcoming odds.



Oak, those are some good examples actually.

Reagan being sick with what he had while in office might account for many errors he might have made during his presidency. With Reagan there are many things he did that both the left the right and the center could see as exercizes in incompetence.

FDR had the right to get ill, he was elected to four terms consecutively.

And JFK. Some say the mafia got him in the white house. Turns out, he was sick in office, going by what you say. If that's true, maybe he shouldn't have run for President in the first place? One thing might be certain though. If JFK didn't run for President, he might not have been assassinated.

Therefore those examples don't really point out why Hillary, with her mystery condition, should be running. Remember the wikileaks document dump about how Bernie was cheated. She's *not* the right nominee.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 07:27 PM

In the video posted by Ivy, a silly ad is practically blocking the view of her feet. To see how bad her collapse was, the viewer needs to hover over the ad, x it out, and watch her feet as the secret service or security detail throw her in the van like a rag doll.

There is even photograohic evidence she lost a shoe. Ridiculous. You can see a single shoe laying on the sidewalk in certain still photos of that incident. The woman can't even keep her shoes on.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 07:56 PM

So I guess there was a hearing on the emails today, where one of Clinton's staffers continued pleading the 5th. Now Hillary's haters are scrambling in that direction, stopping, scrambling back to her health issues, stopping, scratching their heads, looking quickly in both directions, putting their right foot in, their right foot out, their right foot in, and shaking it all about...

Meanwhile, Madam President is just resting up at home watching the circus on the news, holding a steady lead in the polls.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
So I guess there was a hearing on the emails today, where one of Clinton's staffers continued pleading the 5th. Now Hillary's haters are scrambling in that direction, stopping, scrambling back to her health issues, stopping, scratching their heads, looking quickly in both directions, putting their right foot in, their right foot out, their right foot in, and shaking it all about...

Meanwhile, Madam President is just resting up at home watching the circus on the news, holding a steady lead in the polls.


Either way Oak, it's no good. One candidate wants to allow Arabs to continue to try and fill up the United States. That is not a good thing. Look at Europe and look at what went down in Orlando Florida. Now the other candidate is projected by top economists to cause a recession if he is elected, due to his hostility to trade treaties and general isolationism.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 09:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
One candidate wants to allow Arabs to continue to try and fill up the United States. That is not a good thing.


smh.

Only further proves what Hillary has said about her opponents.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/13/16 09:57 PM

What about Arab Christians? Can we let them in? And what about Muslims that aren't Arabs, like Iranians? How about them?
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 02:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
p.s. david duke going to be a senator from Louisana?


He's gonna try, and he's gonna fail miserably. Once branded a member of the KKK, you have no chance of being elected in Louisiana. In other states, maybe.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 02:40 AM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
p.s. david duke going to be a senator from Louisana?


He's gonna try, and he's gonna fail miserably. Once branded a member of the KKK, you have no chance of being elected in Louisiana. In other states, maybe.


just checking LA LOU.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 02:45 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
One candidate wants to allow Arabs to continue to try and fill up the United States. That is not a good thing.


smh.

Only further proves what Hillary has said about her opponents.


oak, I checked out the video, it looks bad, she has no control over her legs, hate to say it oak, but, it does appear that something is terribly wrong. i strongly suspect parkinsons she was having spasms, you can see it,
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 03:09 AM

When it's proven, I'll believe it. Like I said earlier, the timing of these stories about her health. The second it was obvious that Trump was getting no post-convention bump in the polls, suddenly it's "Hillary's too sick to be president". Even if she is sick, suggesting it disqualifies her for the white house, especially without even knowing the exact condition or severity thereof, plays right into Trump's strategy. So, obviously, any decent person should counter the claims! Hillary's fine.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 03:37 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
One candidate wants to allow Arabs to continue to try and fill up the United States. That is not a good thing.


smh.

Only further proves what Hillary has said about her opponents.


Relax Oak, no need to go personal. I am being a realist here. I live in NYC and see the armed soldiers in Penn Station every day. It's real. What happened in Orlando is real. We have to protect what is left of the United States. Don't go thinking I am a white bigot. I happen to not be white. Now if someone wants to call a distrust of lettings hundreds of thousands of religious people from violent countries where suicide bombings are an every day affair, a bigot, I won't stop you. This has nothing to do with race, nothing. We have a responsibility to protect the women and children of the United States and not expose them to shrapnel. It's not complicated or emotional.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 03:50 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
When it's proven, I'll believe it. Like I said earlier, the timing of these stories about her health. The second it was obvious that Trump was getting no post-convention bump in the polls, suddenly it's "Hillary's too sick to be president". Even if she is sick, suggesting it disqualifies her for the white house, especially without even knowing the exact condition or severity thereof, plays right into Trump's strategy. So, obviously, any decent person should counter the claims! Hillary's fine.


There's no conspiracy here, except to hide an illness which she and her campaign feel will hurt her approval numbers were the diagnosis broadcast.

Her "basket of deplorables" comment was her Mittens R-Money 47% moment. Truly truly dumb of her. Dumb and dumber. I said that she had a meltdown at the time I first heard the comment. Then she had a real collapse in the street.

You are running for President. There are people that haven't yet made up their minds. Then you say that half of anybody voting for the other guy is a degenerate. Meltdown. The lady let out what she was really thinking about the electorate and that shows she is not entirely in her right mind.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 04:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Don't go thinking I am a white bigot.


Oh, of course not. Where would I get that idea?

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
One candidate wants to allow Arabs to continue to try and fill up the United States. That is not a good thing.


Oh, yeah. That's where.

Again, thank you for proving what Hillary's been saying all along about a lot of her opposition.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 04:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
There's no conspiracy here, except to hide an illness which she and her campaign feel will hurt her approval numbers were the diagnosis broadcast.


Uh, you already revealed that this is not the reason you're against her.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 04:52 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Don't go thinking I am a white bigot.


Oh, of course not. Where would I get that idea?

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
One candidate wants to allow Arabs to continue to try and fill up the United States. That is not a good thing.


Oh, yeah. That's where.

Again, thank you for proving what Hillary's been saying all along about a lot of her opposition.


Even though you'd vote for a person who'd let 50,000 Syrians resettle into the heart of America, I still love ya Oak. But make no mistake, you and her, are as wrong as two left shoes.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 04:54 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
There's no conspiracy here, except to hide an illness which she and her campaign feel will hurt her approval numbers were the diagnosis broadcast.


Uh, you already revealed that this is not the reason you're against her.


The highest responsibility of the President is to protect the United States. So the ultimate question is not healthcare or even the economy. It comes down to national security. This is not even about having an open southern border and allowing illegal aliens to have free run. It's deeper than that. This is about terrorism.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:04 AM

Bigotry and blind nationalism always travel together.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:12 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Bigotry and blind nationalism always travel together.


You have to also call all of the soldiers in Penn Station who are armed to the teeth...bigots. Bigots because they distrust and are ready to discharge weapons of war in case of any active shooter situation. You have to also call all of the NYC police Hercules teams bigots for fearing terrorism and bio chemical warfare. You have to call the soldiers carrying heavy machine guns near the New York Stock Exchange bigots for being prepared and distrusting. Everyone in France scarred by all of the shooting and mowing down of their citizens with guns and vehicles, you have to call them bigots for being afraid also.

If you are at war with a country, you can legally ban their citizens from entry. That's different from some ignorant religious ban. Like it or not, and I don't really know what country you are living in, but the United States is at war with much of the Middle East.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:18 AM

I forgot to add, militarism and paranoia usually join bigotry and blind nationalism. Thanks for reminding me.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:25 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I forgot to add, militarism and paranoia usually join bigotry and blind nationalism. Thanks for reminding me.


Oak, what country do you live in? Can you please share that?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:31 AM

Let me guess, if I say outside of the U.S., you say that I don't share your paranoia and bigotry because neither I or my family would be harmed in the series of terrorist attacks that you hope...I mean...fear will happen if Hillary's elected.

If I say I live in the U.S., like, say, somewhere near where the "Oakland A's" play, or near the "East Bay", you say I'm brainwashed by hippies and commies, or I'm a traitor, or something.

Now that we got that out of the way...
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:41 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Let me guess, if I say outside of the U.S., you say that I don't share your paranoia and bigotry because neither I or my family would be harmed in the series of terrorist attacks that you hope...I mean...fear will happen if Hillary's elected.

If I say I live in the U.S., like, say, somewhere near where the "Oakland A's" play, or near the "East Bay", you say I'm brainwashed by hippies and commies, or I'm a traitor, or something.

Now that we got that out of the way...


I don't troll people that way. That's not my style.

Sometimes a question is just a question.

I specifically did not ask what local area you are from, just the country.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:43 AM

I'll tell you what. Why don't you give me a list of your responses to each particular country you think I'd answer with. I mean, you could make whatever point you're trying to make without even asking me this question. So, in a way, it is trolling.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:48 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I'll tell you what. Why don't you give me a list of your responses to each particular country you think I'd answer with. I mean, you could make whatever point you're trying to make without even asking me this question. So, in a way, it is trolling.


lol Well,

I live in the United States, and I don't think a ban on immigration from Middle Eastern countries, as Mr. Trump has proposed, is racist, or bigoted, or wrong, or whatever one might want to call it. These are serious times.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I won't call you a dirty name for it.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:51 AM

Whether you think it's wrong or not does not change the fact that it is racist, bigoted, and wrong.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:57 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Whether you think it's wrong or not does not change the fact that it is racist, bigoted, and wrong.


Do you have locks on the front door of your home?

If not, why not?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:58 AM

Again, why not just make your point? These rhetorical questions.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 12:06 PM

People have locks on their doors to keep honest people from robbing them. It does not stop professional thieves from robbing them. Honest people who see a bicycle unlock would rob it under certain conditions so it is to keep honest people honest. Real thieves my night rob the bike because there is no fun to stealing something easy to steal.

I go to the Giglio feast one year. I want to buy a shirt while I am there. They told me their are no more for sale. The rest were for those who ordered them in advance. There in a locked truck parked out in the open. I go to the truck that is locked and break into it and take a shirt and leave 20 dollars to pay for it. smile
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 12:49 PM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
p.s. david duke going to be a senator from Louisana?


He's gonna try, and he's gonna fail miserably. Once branded a member of the KKK, you have no chance of being elected in Louisiana. In other states, maybe.


I would like to think that Duke has no chance in this election, and his lack of success in numerous earlier elections seems to point that way.

However, his Klan association was definitely well known when he was elected to the LA house in '89.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:36 PM

Look up real clear politics polls for Wednesday today then tell me from all those polls who is going to win the election? It isn't Hillary not a chance. Plus republicans are going to hold the senate and the congress.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Look up real clear politics polls for Wednesday today then tell me from all those polls who is going to win the election? It isn't Hillary not a chance. Plus republicans are going to hold the senate and the congress.



Ohio state poll and the LA Times national are a nice bump for Trump. Clinton ahead in Reuters national.

No other surprises.

Trump always had South Carolina and Kansas. Maine has two polls, one going to Clinton, one Trump.

Clinton's ahead in Nevada, which is important.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 05:56 PM

At Real Clear Politics, Clinton still leads on Electoral Votes, and as we know, the EC the only thing that matters in US elections.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Trump can get 100% of the vote in the states that normally go red, and it won't matter. The election will be decided in a few battleground states. Those state polls are the ones to pay attention to.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 06:24 PM

Also, regarding Clinton's "deplorable" comment being the same as Romney's "47%" comment, it's not the same.

Clinton was referring strictly to Trump supporters.

Romney was talking about the entire country.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 08:57 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Also, regarding Clinton's "deplorable" comment being the same as Romney's "47%" comment, it's not the same.

Clinton was referring strictly to Trump supporters.

Romney was talking about the entire country.


Yeah but you see, the assumption you appear to be under is that Trump supporters are somehow different and separate from the rest of the "real" United States. That's not true. Trump has support within each and every demographic, albeit a small share. Those demographics each have what they feel is a good reason to back Trump's bid. To belittle the Trump movement and boil it down to just nationalism and [white] bigotry is to miss the point entirely. That's where the GOP went wrong. They dismissed Trump, until all of the candidates they put forward were all summarily dismissed by their party membership. They just. Don't. Get it.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 09:31 PM

No arguments or debate needed. Just call everyone that disagrees with you a sexist, racist bigot in order to silence opposition. That's what political discourse has devolved into. It's just desperation for somebody like Clinton that has no substance. In many ways, these childish yet authoritarian tactics are a big reason someone like Trump has been able to gain this much popularity. It's backlash. People attempt to swing hard in the opposite direction.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 09:42 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Also, regarding Clinton's "deplorable" comment being the same as Romney's "47%" comment, it's not the same.

Clinton was referring strictly to Trump supporters.

Romney was talking about the entire country.


Wrong again. Romney's 47% statement could not have been about the whole country simply because if he was talking about the entire country he would have said "100%," which he didn't say since that would have been ridiculous.

Moreover, the statement was correct. Romney said 47% of Americans pay no tax. Politifact and CBS News both fact-checked it and found it accurate.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-no-income-tax/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-checking-romneys-47-percent-comment/
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 10:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Yeah but you see, the assumption you appear to be under is that Trump supporters are somehow different and separate from the rest of the "real" United States.


I'm not sure there's any data that proves otherwise. On that token, I don't think Hillary's supporters represent "real" America, either. Not sure if any candidate is cracking the 50% mark in the polls. It's safe to say, however, that according to polls, Hillary Clinton is a lot closer to representing the views of real America than Trump is.

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That's where the GOP went wrong. They dismissed Trump, until all of the candidates they put forward were all summarily dismissed by their party membership. They just. Don't. Get it.


If this election season has been an indication of anything so far, it's that Trump is the one who doesn't get it. Trump is not winning. He has no high ground over his critics in the GOP in that regard. The results thus far only show that the GOP establishment was right about Trump.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 10:40 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
It's just desperation for somebody like Clinton


Clinton has no need to be desperate. Since the nominees were selected, Clinton has been ahead in the polls nearly all of the time, and still is today.

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that has no substance. In many ways, these childish yet authoritarian tactics are a big reason someone like Trump has been able to gain this much popularity.


Popularity among right wing conservatives? Certainly not the country. At least there's no poll which indicates it.

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It's backlash. People attempt to swing hard in the opposite direction.


In this regard, it's your imagination that's swinging hard. Hillary Clinton has no need to be desperate. Donald Trump is not popular on a national level.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 10:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Wrong again. Romney's 47% statement could not have been about the whole country simply because if he was talking about the entire country he would have said "100%," which he didn't say since that would have been ridiculous.


My bad for not wording it correctly.

Clinton was sample sizing Trump voters, and Trump voters only, to make her point.

Romney was sample sizing the entire country to which the 47% he's referring to is included in.

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Moreover, the statement was correct. Romney said 47% of Americans pay no tax. Politifact and CBS News both fact-checked it and found it accurate.


That's not what he said. Just to brush you up, here's his exact quote.

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what...who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. ...These are people who pay no income tax. ...and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

He called nearly half the country "dependent on government", and implied they don't have "personal responsibility".

A statement like that is only going to play to the far right, and would be disastrous in a national election, as it turned out to be.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/14/16 11:41 PM

I don't think were being fair here. Sure there are a few minor things about Trump to overlook, like…

… he thinks that the world would be better if more countries had Nukes (including North Korea), murdering civilians is ok if their relative does something bad, that the Tiananmen Square Massacre wasn’t a bad thing, the Geneva Convention is a “problem,” that torture is acceptable, that we should leave NATO, that we should establish a database of people who adhere to a given religion (Reinhard Heydrich would be proud), that the interpretation of the Constitution for over two centuries should be tossed out and citizens deported, that global warming is a hoax that was created by the Chinese, that Japanese internment camps were acceptable, that POWs aren’t heroes because they were captured, that freedom of the press should be restricted, that Kim Jong and Saddam deserve praise, that cozying up with white supremacists and echoing their dog whistle propaganda is tolerable, that only Jews should count money, that blacks are inherently lazy, that housing discrimination based on race is alright, that mocking disabilities like a grade-schooler is groovy, women should be punished for seeking abortions (but the men who played a part in the pregnancy, and likely in advocating for the abortion, should remain unscathed), that repeatedly sexualizing your own daughter (even when she was only a 1 year old) is appropriate, that men who are hands-on in the raising of their children are taking on the role of the wife, that women can be reduced to nothing more than their appearance, that we should commit acts of war if someone flips us off, and that Ted Cruz’s dad helped kill Kennedy and Clinton murdered an intern…

… but once you look past those iddy-biddy snags, you find that he’s going to build a wall, be totally extra tough, and win a lot. Those are some serious qualifications that deserve careful consideration. I don’t see Gary Johnson talking about winning a lot -- just sayin’.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Whether you think it's wrong or not does not change the fact that it is racist, bigoted, and wrong.


Do you have locks on the front door of your home?

If not, why not?


alfa, living in N.Y.C. is much different than anywhere else in America, N.Y.C. is indeed a target, elsewhere people don't worry about terroist attacks, am I going to worry about attacks in Idaho? of course not. therefore you nust understand that the rest of the country, N.Y.C. means nothing to them, up here in the northwest, and many parts of the south, and western states, N,Y,C, may as well be mars. gulliani found that out when he ran for president, in the west, the far west, the far north, no one turned out to see him. his campaign was meaningless, now hes looked upon as a trump stooge. trump supporters are much different than the rest of the country, many are KKK. and far-right extremists, Hillary was right in characterizing them.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 12:08 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Wrong again. Romney's 47% statement could not have been about the whole country simply because if he was talking about the entire country he would have said "100%," which he didn't say since that would have been ridiculous.


My bad for not wording it correctly.

Clinton was sample sizing Trump voters, and Trump voters only, to make her point.

Romney was sample sizing the entire country to which the 47% he's referring to is included in.

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Moreover, the statement was correct. Romney said 47% of Americans pay no tax. Politifact and CBS News both fact-checked it and found it accurate.


That's not what he said. Just to brush you up, here's his exact quote.

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what...who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. ...These are people who pay no income tax. ...and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

He called nearly half the country "dependent on government", and implied they don't have "personal responsibility".

A statement like that is only going to play to the far right, and would be disastrous in a national election, as it turned out to be.


I'm familiar with the quote, just as the writers at Politifact and CBS News are. Was Romney factually incorrect on nearly half the country being dependent on government?

And no, Romney did not "play to the far right." Romney has no connection to the Far Right except in your mind. It also wasn't any sort of "play" at all since it came from a private meeting and not from a public forum.

Was it something he shouldn't have said since Left-wingers and the Far Left would take it out of context? Yes. Would he have beat Obama if he didn't say it? Unlikely. The media was giving excess coverage to non-stories and non-events to defeat his campaign, this being one example. If President Obama threw out a statistic about his political opponents back then it would have gotten comparatively little coverage. Oh wait, he did just that in 2008 when he referred to people in small communities in Pennsylvania and the Midwest who cling to guns and are bitter, etc., and when it was reported on it was either downplayed or dismissed. This double-standard in news coverage helps explain why no matter what Romney could have said it would have made no difference in the 2012 election.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 12:19 AM

Great rundown, Helen. History's going to have a lot of fun with the Trump campaign.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 12:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
And no, Romney did not "play to the far right."


I said that his 47% quote only plays to the far right. Meaning, only the far right would think it was a good thing to say. Romney doesn't just share stats on public assistance, he used terms like "personal responsibility" and "dependent". He basically said half of this country is made up of bums. It was so typical for a sheltered, rich kid like him. He had no chance of beating Obama anyway, but that quote made him outright loathsome. It was...deplorable. Thank you, Mrs. Clinton.

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It also wasn't any sort of "play" at all since it came from a private meeting and not from a public forum.


Again, wan't talking about his intentions, I was talking about who the comment plays to, who would think it was a good comment.

Also, anyone who hasn't figured out yet that there is practically no privacy in today's world once you step outside of your bathroom is not smart enough to be president anyway.

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Was it something he shouldn't have said since Left-wingers and the Far Left would take it out of context? Yes.


The only people that took it out of context were his supporters, in order to sugar coat it and play damage control. It was one of the worst things ever said by a presidential candidate. Sadly, however, another GOP candidate has already topped him.

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The media was giving excess coverage to non-stories and non-events to defeat his campaign


According to whom?

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If President Obama threw out a statistic about his political opponents back then it would have gotten comparatively little coverage.


How could you possibly determine this? Do you work in the media?

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Oh wait, he did just that in 2008 when he referred to people in small communities in Pennsylvania and the Midwest who cling to guns and are bitter, etc.,


No, he didn't. Similar to Clinton, Obama was referring to rural right wingers specifically. Romney said that 47% of the entire country was irresponsible and dependent on government. Obama had only sample sized a small portion of the public, Romney sample sized the entire public. The entire country, at least.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 12:39 AM

lol,lol, yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh "sic em" oak. tell them like it is.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 12:42 AM

Don't get me in trouble, Binnie. I'm not siccing anybody. No personal insults. Perhaps a small dash of sarcasm, like some Tony Chachere's on the chili, but I receive a lot of that, too.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 01:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Whether you think it's wrong or not does not change the fact that it is racist, bigoted, and wrong.


Do you have locks on the front door of your home?

If not, why not?


alfa, living in N.Y.C. is much different than anywhere else in America, N.Y.C. is indeed a target, elsewhere people don't worry about terroist attacks, am I going to worry about attacks in Idaho? of course not. therefore you nust understand that the rest of the country, N.Y.C. means nothing to them, up here in the northwest, and many parts of the south, and western states, N,Y,C, may as well be mars. gulliani found that out when he ran for president, in the west, the far west, the far north, no one turned out to see him. his campaign was meaningless, now hes looked upon as a trump stooge. trump supporters are much different than the rest of the country, many are KKK. and far-right extremists, Hillary was right in characterizing them.


Reading through this thread, I'm starting to see that.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 03:28 AM

If you really want your eyes opened about how many people outside of NYC see it, take a look through the comment section at places like the Blaze or Breitbart (if you can stomach it) when they run a story that pertains to the city. Lots of them would be happy if all of us 'Librul jew fags from the cesspool on the Hudson' got what we 'deserved'.

Next time I see one I'll link it here. It's sick.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 03:35 AM

That's why I've always found it sad that so many New Yorkers, particularly Jews, Catholic Irish, Catholic Italian, etc, are so far to the right, and align themselves with right wingers in rural America and the south. The feeling is not mutual.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 03:42 AM

Btw- I didn't mean that I think you see us that way Binnie. smile I know you were just pointing out that not everyone has the same viewpoints as NY residents.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 05:09 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Btw- I didn't mean that I think you see us that way Binnie. smile I know you were just pointing out that not everyone has the same viewpoints as NY residents.


no,helen I see N,Y,C,residents as intelligent, thoughtful human beings, however to the country as a whole, they have a distasteful view of new Yorkers, and it will never go away.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 05:14 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Don't get me in trouble, Binnie. I'm not siccing anybody. No personal insults. Perhaps a small dash of sarcasm, like some Tony Chachere's on the chili, but I receive a lot of that, too.


yes, didn't mean to sic them per se, only return fire, I do,and we should. and I refrain from personal insults myself.

sometimes not much tolerance on these boards. keep posting, you have like many enriched the discourse.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 05:54 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
At Real Clear Politics, Clinton still leads on Electoral Votes, and as we know, the EC the only thing that matters in US elections.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Trump can get 100% of the vote in the states that normally go red, and it won't matter. The election will be decided in a few battleground states. Those state polls are the ones to pay attention to.



Well, visiting that site, and carefully clicking on each state under the category "toss up" in the center of the graphic, it would appear that Hillary is projected to win unless something changes. Now CNN just reported this evening that some swing state polls have shifted in Trump's direction, but I'm [almost] sure those measurements were "priced in" to the Real Clear Politics poll stats. If everything stays the way it is right now, Trump has already lost.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 07:10 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
And no, Romney did not "play to the far right."


I said that his 47% quote only plays to the far right. Meaning, only the far right would think it was a good thing to say. Romney doesn't just share stats on public assistance, he used terms like "personal responsibility" and "dependent". He basically said half of this country is made up of bums. It was so typical for a sheltered, rich kid like him. He had no chance of beating Obama anyway, but that quote made him outright loathsome. It was...deplorable. Thank you, Mrs. Clinton.

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It also wasn't any sort of "play" at all since it came from a private meeting and not from a public forum.


Again, wan't talking about his intentions, I was talking about who the comment plays to, who would think it was a good comment.

Also, anyone who hasn't figured out yet that there is practically no privacy in today's world once you step outside of your bathroom is not smart enough to be president anyway.

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Was it something he shouldn't have said since Left-wingers and the Far Left would take it out of context? Yes.


The only people that took it out of context were his supporters, in order to sugar coat it and play damage control. It was one of the worst things ever said by a presidential candidate. Sadly, however, another GOP candidate has already topped him.

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The media was giving excess coverage to non-stories and non-events to defeat his campaign


According to whom?

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If President Obama threw out a statistic about his political opponents back then it would have gotten comparatively little coverage.


How could you possibly determine this? Do you work in the media?

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Oh wait, he did just that in 2008 when he referred to people in small communities in Pennsylvania and the Midwest who cling to guns and are bitter, etc.,


No, he didn't. Similar to Clinton, Obama was referring to rural right wingers specifically. Romney said that 47% of the entire country was irresponsible and dependent on government. Obama had only sample sized a small portion of the public, Romney sample sized the entire public. The entire country, at least.



The Far Right, meaning white nationalists, Neo-Nazis and the KKK, said nothing about Romney's 47% statement. That's just something you made up. And what does Mrs. Clinton have to do with it?

I don't think anyone thought it was a good comment, but neither is it as bad as the Far Far Left thinks it is. To say it's one of the worst things ever said by a presidential candidate is ridiculous and insanely wrong. Do you think that's worse than President Johnson saying, "We'll have these n----rs voting for us for two hundred years"? I can think of a lot of other statements that are far worse.

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
How could you possibly determine this? Do you work in the media?


You do realize that there are organizations that monitor the media, don't you?


Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
No, he didn't. Similar to Clinton, Obama was referring to rural right wingers specifically. Romney said that 47% of the entire country was irresponsible and dependent on government. Obama had only sample sized a small portion of the public, Romney sample sized the entire public. The entire country, at least.


This scale of excuse-making takes being sycophantic to a whole new level, but it is amusing.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
To say it's one of the worst things ever said by a presidential candidate is ridiculous and insanely wrong.


Calling half the country bums, which is what Romney did, is one of the worst things ever said in a presidential campaign.

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You do realize that there are organizations that monitor the media, don't you?


Fair enough. How have they determined that a candidate *would* get more or less coverage under any particular circumstance? I've seen some of these right wing "media monitoring" sites. They're run by people that can barely tie their shoes, much less detail how the media would hypothetically cover something that never happened.

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This scale of excuse-making takes being sycophantic to a whole new level, but it is amusing.


Romney said that half the country were leeches. That could include anyone. Of any background, gender, race, political leaning, income, what have you. That's why his comment was so polarizing and unpopular. People didn't know if he was talking about them.

Clinton referred specifically to Trump supporters. That means, anyone who's not a Trump supporter knows she's not talking about them. Therefore, her comments aren't nearly as polarizing. It only pissed off the Trump supporters. Everyone else agrees with her.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/15/16 11:53 PM

The Democrates are getting scared trump my win. They should be scared it's the economy stupid. Trump they have found it is bullet proof. Now they grasping at straws to try and bring him down. It probably won't work.

Hill knows shit about how to make jobs.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/16/16 04:44 AM

I agree, hillary is in big trouble, trumps got a free ride with the press, they shy away from asking him about his tax returns, and his foundation, and his university, all under investigation. the press is fixated on hillarys e- mails.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/16/16 08:00 PM

Binnie did you see trumps press conference on how the military should run. The place was full of advisers Generals and the alike. They all praised trump for listening to their advice. They also mentioned helping wounded warriors.

Place had a lot of the press. They planned to ask trump on whaeather obama was an American or not.

After they spoke they introduced trump. He started by saying that Hillary's people started the question whether obama was an american or not. Then he said I ended it when obama finally produced his birth certificate. So I say to you all that Obama is an American.

Then he left the stage. He took no set up questions from the press. It was a brilliant plan by trump.

On all the other stations they attacked trump on that issue. That is all they can do.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/17/16 02:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Binnie did you see trumps press conference on how the military should run. The place was full of advisers Generals and the alike. They all praised trump for listening to that Hillary's people started the question whether obama was an their advice. They also mentioned helping wounded warriors.

Place had a lot of the press. They planned to ask trump on whaeather obama was an American or not.

After they spoke they introduced trump. He started by saying american or not. Then he said I ended it when obama finally produced his birth certificate. So I say to you all that Obama is an American.

Then he left the stage. He took no set up questions from the press. It was a brilliant plan by trump.

On all the other stations they attacked trump on that issue. That is all they can do.


hes a real head case foots, if he would have been made in profacis family in Brooklyn in the 50s, he would have been clipped.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/17/16 04:06 AM

I think Obama would have made a solid Profaci soldier. First made black guy. First black president.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/17/16 07:21 PM

Obama is a Sicilian
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/17/16 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Binnie did you see trumps press conference on how the military should run. The place was full of advisers Generals and the alike. They all praised trump for listening to that Hillary's people started the question whether obama was an their advice. They also mentioned helping wounded warriors.

Place had a lot of the press. They planned to ask trump on whaeather obama was an American or not.

After they spoke they introduced trump. He started by saying american or not. Then he said I ended it when obama finally produced his birth certificate. So I say to you all that Obama is an American.

Then he left the stage. He took no set up questions from the press. It was a brilliant plan by trump.

On all the other stations they attacked trump on that issue. That is all they can do.


hes a real head case foots, if he would have been made in profacis family in Brooklyn in the 50s, he would have been clipped.


What makes you think he had the balls to be in the life
Posted By: Crash

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/17/16 08:31 PM

Trump is the next president. sorry liberals.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/17/16 09:13 PM

It's not just liberals that would be sorry if Donald Trump were president.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 04:39 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
It's not just liberals that would be sorry if Donald Trump were president.


Oak, if either one became president, it would piss off some large segment of each party. Many Republicans do not accept Trump. Guest what, and you know this...many Democrats are in the never Hillary camp also.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 05:14 AM

what a mess either way, and there could be some trouble if trump is elected,if he tries to by-pass congress to get his way,we could have a constitutional crisis.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 05:20 AM

Binnie, they are both train wrecks. If Hillary is elected, she allows Muslim extremists to continue to stream into the country and the illegal alien situation goes beyond repair. Right now we are being attacked by South and Central America in the form of a stampede. They are sending little kids. That's not right.

If Trump is elected, you got a guy who doesn't care for NATO as much as the so-called leader of the free world should. The economy is projected to shrink by 1 trillion dollars under him. He is another idiot supply sider who believes tax cuts will create jobs and riches for poor people. He is not against nuclear proliferation the way he should be. He also misunderstands the proper use of force, considering it as a proper answer to hostile military preening and exercizes.

They both stink.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 05:25 AM

and who are the ones that will suffer for their ignorance? yes..... you and I and millions like us, never them.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 06:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
and who are the ones that will suffer for their ignorance? yes..... you and I and millions like us, never them.


The people, like us, who understand that both are clusterf---s are in the best position. You can prepare for each presidency.

One of them wants to keep American dominance abroad, but is giving the barn away to foreigners at home. During the economic recovery, nearly 100% of all new jobs created went to immigrants. Not cool.

The other wants to keep "America for Americans", but will plunge the country into another recession and shrink America's presence on the world stage, withdrawing from treaties, weakening NATO, creating vacuums and opportunities for Russia to expand its influence.

The stated policies of each candidate are not well thought out. As a matter of fact, I doubt either ever actually sat down and really thought about the world in a strategic way at all.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 09:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
what a mess either way, and there could be some trouble if trump is elected,if he tries to by-pass congress to get his way,we could have a constitutional crisis.


Yes the same way Obama has bypassed congress. Which opens up the door for trump to do the same.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 03:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
what a mess either way, and there could be some trouble if trump is elected,if he tries to by-pass congress to get his way,we could have a constitutional crisis.


A national nightmare. We've had bad presidents, but Trump would be the first to try to rule outside of congress. He'd ram his agenda through despite the will of the people. He'd oppress minorities and immigrants, as he'd already promised to do. He would destroy the safety net that had held our economy together for nearly a century. He would take freedoms and rights away from women (See Pence). He'd take freedoms and rights away from the LGBT community (See Pence). He would take this country back to a bleak time when only white males enjoyed peace and prosperity. Hillary Clinton isn't perfect, but she at least wants to see America thrive. She might break a few rules to reach that goal, but she'll stop at nothing to get there. She doesn't have the most likable personality but compared to her competition, she's obviously the adult in this election. 2016 comes down to two words: Dump Trump.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 04:45 PM

Maybe you're right Oak. Trump could do alot of damage...if the House and Senate becomes Republican dominated.

Thing is, I doubt Democrats would lose both houses.

Therefore, the fears that we will lose the progress we've made on many issues, including our journey towards single payer healthcare, might be overblown. Congress passed the PPACA and the Supreme Court affirmed it. Just because Barack Obama leaves the WH doesn't mean these people will be quick to negate their own precedents.

Don't under estimate their arrogance.

By the way, did you hear about the explosion in lower Manhattan yesterday?
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 04:57 PM

Actually the good thing about if Trump were elected is the democrats might actually believe in checks and balances again and become worried about the executive branch trying to bypass congress. Kind of like when Bush was president and the democrats were rightly concerned with too much power by the executive branch, and even concerned with too much government spending! Obama was against raising the debt ceiling in 06 as a senator. The Left was against the patriot act and other violations of civil liberties then the democrats got the power and that mostly went out the window.

So if trump were to be president I'm sure congress will fight him tooth and nail and won't let him pass anything. He might not even have republicans on his side.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 05:09 PM

The recession can't be avoided. Nether candidate can stop this recession from taking place. The federal reserve has worked hard for years to postpone it, and nobody knows exactly how long that'll last. Since 08 they have conducted the largest, most unprecedented monetary experiment the world has ever seen in history, with massive amounts of quantitative easing, artificially low interest rates, all in order to reinflate the bubble economy. It will pop, and there's nothing Trump or Hillary can do to undo the damage that's been done. You can deport all the illegal immigrants you want, and it won't undo any of it.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 05:42 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
The recession can't be avoided. Nether candidate can stop this recession from taking place. The federal reserve has worked hard for years to postpone it, and nobody knows exactly how long that'll last. Since 08 they have conducted the largest, most unprecedented monetary experiment the world has ever seen in history, with massive amounts of quantitative easing, artificially low interest rates, all in order to reinflate the bubble economy. It will pop, and there's nothing Trump or Hillary can do to undo the damage that's been done. You can deport all the illegal immigrants you want, and it won't undo any of it.


Just remembering various news headlines since the economic crisis of 2008 began, would we agree that the low interest rates are to assist banks in lending...and keeping the economy in circulation with currency, whereas if interest rates were normal, banks would not be able to lend due to the damage done to their balance sheets by mortgage backed securities?

If that is the case, then the economy or any bubble isn't the issue. The issue is bank liquidity and how long will it take for the federal reserve system of banks to return to a healthy solvency.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
A national nightmare. We've had bad presidents, but Trump would be the first to try to rule outside of congress. He'd ram his agenda through despite the will of the people. He'd oppress minorities and immigrants, as he'd already promised to do. He would destroy the safety net that had held our economy together for nearly a century. He would take freedoms and rights away from women (See Pence). He'd take freedoms and rights away from the LGBT community (See Pence). He would take this country back to a bleak time when only white males enjoyed peace and prosperity. Hillary Clinton isn't perfect, but she at least wants to see America thrive. She might break a few rules to reach that goal, but she'll stop at nothing to get there. She doesn't have the most likable personality but compared to her competition, she's obviously the adult in this election. 2016 comes down to two words: Dump Trump.


Can I nominate this for dumbest post of the month? Maybe the year? Oak really deserves special recognition for this one.

And keep in mind this is the guy who, while he warns us about Trump, actually thinks Hillary will be a good president. Not just the lesser of two bad choices but a good choice.

Let that sink in for a moment.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
The recession can't be avoided. Nether candidate can stop this recession from taking place. The federal reserve has worked hard for years to postpone it, and nobody knows exactly how long that'll last. Since 08 they have conducted the largest, most unprecedented monetary experiment the world has ever seen in history, with massive amounts of quantitative easing, artificially low interest rates, all in order to reinflate the bubble economy. It will pop, and there's nothing Trump or Hillary can do to undo the damage that's been done. You can deport all the illegal immigrants you want, and it won't undo any of it.


Just remembering various news headlines since the economic crisis of 2008 began, would we agree that the low interest rates are to assist banks in lending...and keeping the economy in circulation with currency, whereas if interest rates were normal, banks would not be able to lend due to the damage done to their balance sheets by mortgage backed securities?

If that is the case, then the economy or any bubble isn't the issue. The issue is bank liquidity and how long will it take for the federal reserva system of banks to return to a healthy solvency.


Well yes, it is to assist the banks to continue lending. But the problem is the bubble itself which is caused by artificial credit expansion by the Fed. It's what allows reckless behavior. Too much lending, too much debt, too much wild speculation on Wall Street.
It's all fun till reality hits.
I'm in the camp of people that say that many of the banks should've been allowed to fail. I don't buy into the idea that this would've been the end of the world. Things would be tough for a short period, people would naturally start to save money again, and eventually a better banking model could emerge and due to savings people can borrow again. In a healthy economy, borrowing comes from savings. In this economy, borrowing came from artificial credit created out of thin air. Overconsumption of resources in the present combined with what some economists would call "malinvestments" leads to an eventual crash or at least recession.

The Fed now has backed itself into a corner. They could raise interest rates or do more QE. Either way lots of damage has been done.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 06:31 PM

I can respect the clarity of your position, SoCal. I'm squarely in the camp of those who feel it was right to bail out the banks in order to protect the larger society from the ripple effects of the criminal actions of a corrupt few.

The solution was a quick fix and a lazy one though. I'm sure that someone could have been prosecuted for the mortgage fraud, even if Glass Steagall was shot down. You see, it wasn't just home owners and aspiring home owners that were conned with tricky mortgage contracts, it was the selling of mortgage backed securities around the world to public and possibly private investors in a fraudulent way. It might have even been Moody's that rubber stamped the MBSs AAA+ knowing they were really junk bond nuclear waste under a different name. If it wasn't Moody's, then it was someone equally as "trustworthy" and prestigious, like Standard and Poor. (Actually it was both of those firms and others.) Either way, it's RICO. So lots of people should have gone down...and the homeowners should have been bailed out [sooner] and not just the banks.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
I can respect the clarity of your position, SoCal. I'm squarely in the camp of those who feel it was right to bail out the banks in order to protect the larger society from the ripple effects of the criminal actions of a corrupt few.

The solution was a quick fix and a lazy one though. I'm sure that someone could have been prosecuted for the mortgage fraud, even if Glass Steagall was shot down. You see, it wasn't just home owners and aspiring home owners that were conned with tricky mortgage contracts, it was the selling of mortgage backed securities around the world to public and possibly private investors in a fraudulent way. It might have even been Moody's that rubber stamped the MBSs AAA+ knowing they were really junk bond nuclear waste under a different name. If it wasn't Moody's, then it was someone equally as "trustworthy" and prestigious, like Standard and Poor. (Actually it was both of those firms and others.) Either way, it's RICO. So lots of people should have gone down...and the homeowners should have been bailed out [sooner] and not just the banks.


I agree that a lot of people should've gone down. The corruption and reckless behavior trickles all the way down on every level though. I view bailouts as rewarding bad behavior, and propping up the very bad models of institutions that need to fail in order to rebuild a healthy economy. I think that we will see in the upcoming years that major problems weren't avoided or fixed, just postponed and dragged out.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 09:09 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
I can respect the clarity of your position, SoCal. I'm squarely in the camp of those who feel it was right to bail out the banks in order to protect the larger society from the ripple effects of the criminal actions of a corrupt few.

The solution was a quick fix and a lazy one though. I'm sure that someone could have been prosecuted for the mortgage fraud, even if Glass Steagall was shot down. You see, it wasn't just home owners and aspiring home owners that were conned with tricky mortgage contracts, it was the selling of mortgage backed securities around the world to public and possibly private investors in a fraudulent way. It might have even been Moody's that rubber stamped the MBSs AAA+ knowing they were really junk bond nuclear waste under a different name. If it wasn't Moody's, then it was someone equally as "trustworthy" and prestigious, like Standard and Poor. (Actually it was both of those firms and others.) Either way, it's RICO. So lots of people should have gone down...and the homeowners should have been bailed out [sooner] and not just the banks.


I agree that a lot of people should've gone down. The corruption and reckless behavior trickles all the way down on every level though. I view bailouts as rewarding bad behavior, and propping up the very bad models of institutions that need to fail in order to rebuild a healthy economy. I think that we will see in the upcoming years that major problems weren't avoided or fixed, just postponed and dragged out.


All that is needed is a repeal of the repeal of Glass Steagall. That one piece of legislation prevented 1929 from happening again all the way until 2008.

Now maybe Graham Leach Bliley is repealed. I am not sure. But it needs to go if it isn't.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 09:29 PM

@OakasFan,

Are you aware that last Saturday featured 3 attacks on the same day, and that ISIS supposedly claimed responsibility for at least one of them? I wasn't. That would be two bombings in two states, and a mass stabbing in a third. Plus, one of the bombs in NY failed to detonate.

Now let's say it's a false flag to get "the Donald" elected. It is still very hard to explain the mass stabbing in Minnesota where the guy is killed who attacked everyone.

Let me ask you Oak, will this help Hillary or Donald?
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/18/16 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
I can respect the clarity of your position, SoCal. I'm squarely in the camp of those who feel it was right to bail out the banks in order to protect the larger society from the ripple effects of the criminal actions of a corrupt few.

The solution was a quick fix and a lazy one though. I'm sure that someone could have been prosecuted for the mortgage fraud, even if Glass Steagall was shot down. You see, it wasn't just home owners and aspiring home owners that were conned with tricky mortgage contracts, it was the selling of mortgage backed securities around the world to public and possibly private investors in a fraudulent way. It might have even been Moody's that rubber stamped the MBSs AAA+ knowing they were really junk bond nuclear waste under a different name. If it wasn't Moody's, then it was someone equally as "trustworthy" and prestigious, like Standard and Poor. (Actually it was both of those firms and others.) Either way, it's RICO. So lots of people should have gone down...and the homeowners should have been bailed out [sooner] and not just the banks.


I agree that a lot of people should've gone down. The corruption and reckless behavior trickles all the way down on every level though. I view bailouts as rewarding bad behavior, and propping up the very bad models of institutions that need to fail in order to rebuild a healthy economy. I think that we will see in the upcoming years that major problems weren't avoided or fixed, just postponed and dragged out.


All that is needed is a repeal of the repeal of Glass Steagall. That one piece of legislation prevented 1929 from happening again all the way until 2008.

Now maybe Graham Leach Bliley is repealed. I am not sure. But it needs to go if it isn't.


I wish if were that simple, but in my own research I've found no compelling evidence that the partial repeal of Glass Stegall of the late 90s directly caused the financial crisis.
Pretty much everything that happened would've been able to happen anyway. Institutions like AIG, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Freddie Mac,Fannie Mae wouldn't have been under Glass Stegall restrictions anyways. The commercial banks were also just engaging in actitives they were always allowed to do. Investments in mortgages and mortgage-backed securities. Some still argue that it's repeal didn't cause the crisis but maybe helped make it worse by allowing for more merging. Debatable.

I say avoid the problem in the first place. Stop flooding Wall Street with cheap money and credit, which encourages wild speculation, overlevered business models, and causes too much money and capital to be diverted into the bloated financial sector. We need more money and capital going towards building a real economy based on production of real wealth, not more paper shuffling and speculation on Wall Street. It is a drain on our economy, not the driver of it. But people think this is "free markets and capitalism." Nope. It's just the Fed propping up certain sectors of the economy at the expense of everyone else.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 01:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
@OakasFan,

Are you aware that last Saturday featured 3 attacks on the same day, and that ISIS supposedly claimed responsibility for at least one of them? I wasn't. That would be two bombings in two states, and a mass stabbing in a third. Plus, one of the bombs in NY failed to detonate.

Now let's say it's a false flag to get "the Donald" elected. It is still very hard to explain the mass stabbing in Minnesota where the guy is killed who attacked everyone.

Let me ask you Oak, will this help Hillary or Donald?


I too believe Donald Trump will desperately try to politicize these incidents.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 03:41 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
@OakasFan,

Are you aware that last Saturday featured 3 attacks on the same day, and that ISIS supposedly claimed responsibility for at least one of them? I wasn't. That would be two bombings in two states, and a mass stabbing in a third. Plus, one of the bombs in NY failed to detonate.

Now let's say it's a false flag to get "the Donald" elected. It is still very hard to explain the mass stabbing in Minnesota where the guy is killed who attacked everyone.

Let me ask you Oak, will this help Hillary or Donald?


I too believe Donald Trump will desperately try to politicize these incidents.
Why wouldn't he? The Liberals politicize a damn football game. You really think Obama brought change in his administration? Since 2008 racial division is at an all time high, next to terrorists attacks. that being said, Obama's pacification of Islamic extreme attacks against the US is an absolute failure and a sissy stance on world politics. America is a joke to the world. One of our more athletic Olympic heroes is now Caitlyn Jenner. And we gave her an award for it. The rest of the World is mocking us now and the Liberals are like deer in the headlights.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 03:58 AM

Considering the country is better today than it was when Obama took office, in just about every category? Yes, Obama has brought change. He saved us from going into another depression.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 04:05 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
@OakasFan,

Are you aware that last Saturday featured 3 attacks on the same day, and that ISIS supposedly claimed responsibility for at least one of them? I wasn't. That would be two bombings in two states, and a mass stabbing in a third. Plus, one of the bombs in NY failed to detonate.

Now let's say it's a false flag to get "the Donald" elected. It is still very hard to explain the mass stabbing in Minnesota where the guy is killed who attacked everyone.

Let me ask you Oak, will this help Hillary or Donald?


I too believe Donald Trump will desperately try to politicize these incidents.


That's not what I asked you.

Not answering is also an answer btw.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 04:07 AM

I gave you a much more nuanced answer than you deserved.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 04:20 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I gave you a much more nuanced answer than you deserved.


I have to partially retract a lot of the naive praise I heaped upon you some time back.

Good luck in November.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 04:23 AM

I won't need luck in November. Hillary's haters will need to be consoled, that's for sure.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 04:24 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I won't need luck in November. Hillary's haters will need to be consoled, that's for sure.


LOL, having fun?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 04:26 AM

Without effort.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 04:37 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Without effort.


Very clever retort. We're proud of you.

You know, for someone as clever as you, one would think answering a simple question would be easy. But I guess it's one of life's little mysteries, eh?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 04:39 AM

I told you, you got a far better answer than you deserve.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 04:54 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I told you, you got a far better answer than you deserve.


Enjoy your night.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 05:46 AM

Again, thank you for the wish, but it's no effort. Really.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 07:27 AM

I know ive said this a 100 times, but, no matter who's elected there is going to be trouble coming, and its going to be far worse than the 6os, why? because trunp supporters think there can be real change, there can't be, if hes elected they will find out he was nothing but a blowhard who cares nothing about them. and if hillary is elected the far right will come undone.we are stuck in wars we cant win, we spend billions on them, and never get a return on the money. I firmly believe no matter who wins, the people still won't be heard.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 01:38 PM

What was obama he was going bring people together. You probably bought that lie. He had no history of doing that. You voted for Hope bullshit.

Now you will vote for Hillary she might continue that hope full shit.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 01:41 PM

I just voted on a poll who will win the presidency trump or Hillary. I will just say vote was 60 v 40 on the first 8000 votes. So it will be a land slide on the popular vote so I guess you won't have to vote after all.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I firmly believe no matter who wins, the people still won't be heard.


Nothing new.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 08:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I know ive said this a 100 times, but, no matter who's elected there is going to be trouble coming, and its going to be far worse than the 6os, why? because trunp supporters think there can be real change, there can't be, if hes elected they will find out he was nothing but a blowhard who cares nothing about them. and if hillary is elected the far right will come undone.we are stuck in wars we cant win, we spend billions on them, and never get a return on the money. I firmly believe no matter who wins, the people still won't be heard.


The far right is more bark than bite. They took fire in that Oregon standoff, one of their own got killed, and they tucked tail. I don't think there's been any stand off like that since. Sucker punches at Trump rallies, things like that. Bullies only pick on easy targets. Once they're faced with someone their own size, they act humble and play the victim card.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/19/16 08:07 PM

Yeah, hope and bringing people together is a horrible idea! What a sick person that Obama is.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 01:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I firmly believe no matter who wins, the people still won't be heard.


Nothing new.


yes sonny, its all B.S. always has been. nobody is representing the people,lobbyists make the laws, change? my ass !!!
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 06:49 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The far right is more bark than bite. They took fire in that Oregon standoff, one of their own got killed, and they tucked tail. I don't think there's been any stand off like that since. Sucker punches at Trump rallies, things like that. Bullies only pick on easy targets. Once they're faced with someone their own size, they act humble and play the victim card.


Example #337 why your credibility is non-existent. Have you seen the riots and assaults done by anti-Trump/pro-Hillary protesters? They dwarf the handful of sucker punches by Trump supporters. But you make no mention of it. I'm becoming more and more convinced you don't believe most of what you post on this board. Nobody can be this stupid.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 07:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I firmly believe no matter who wins, the people still won't be heard.


Nothing new.


yes sonny, its all B.S. always has been. nobody is representing the people,lobbyists make the laws, change? my ass !!!


All politicians have campaign slogans, which can be misinterpreted as promises. Let's not forget about the most comical slogan of them all. "Make America Great Again". A presidential candidate putting his own country down right in his campaign slogan. At least Hillary's slogan is "Hillary for America". That's honest enough. She's promising a fighter. And she's making good on the promise every day.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 02:16 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I firmly believe no matter who wins, the people still won't be heard.


Nothing new.


yes sonny, its all B.S. always has been. nobody is representing the people,lobbyists make the laws, change? my ass !!!


All politicians have campaign slogans, which can be misinterpreted as promises. Let's not forget about the most comical slogan of them all. "Make America Great Again". A presidential candidate putting his own country down right in his campaign slogan. At least Hillary's slogan is "Hillary for America". That's honest enough. She's promising a fighter. And she's making good on the promise every day.


Yeah whatever, they're all lying weasels. But then again, don't hate the player, hate the game...
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 03:50 PM



All politicians have campaign slogans, which can be misinterpreted as promises. Let's not forget about the most comical slogan of them all. "Make America Great Again". A presidential candidate putting his own country down right in his campaign slogan. At least Hillary's slogan is "Hillary for America". That's honest enough. She's promising a fighter. And she's making good on the promise every day. [/quote]

Oak another presidential candidate coined that phrase before trump. Look it up your the big google guy
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Yeah, hope and bringing people together is a horrible idea! What a sick person that Obama is.


Yes he is sick and a liar. He never wanted to do that. He never did that.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 03:55 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Considering the country is better today than it was when Obama took office, in just about every category? Yes, Obama has brought change. He saved us from going into another depression.


The country is not better today. What world do you live in. Race relations has never been worse today. More people on relief then ever before. Yes, if the country is so good now Hillary should win. If she does your right. If she does not win your wrong. Let's wait and see.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 04:02 PM

NBC News/Survey Monkey: Clinton +5

This one includes Stein and Johnson.

Hillary's healthy and kicking ass.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 04:16 PM

Polls are bull shit. It all depends on the groups they poll.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 04:21 PM

Polls are always bullshit when they don't go your way. smile
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 04:30 PM

Who needs a poll I know already who will win.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 04:37 PM

Oh, I already know Hillary's going to win, too. I'm just posting the poll results because they're topical.

Thread title: "What if Trump Wins the Presidency?"
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Polls are bull shit. It all depends on the groups they poll.


What happened in the past 24 hours to change your mind?

Originally Posted By: Footreads
I just voted on a poll who will win the presidency trump or Hillary. I will just say vote was 60 v 40 on the first 8000 votes. So it will be a land slide on the popular vote so I guess you won't have to vote after all.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 04:55 PM

Yeah, and didn't Foots say a week ago that the polls showed Hillary doesn't have a chance? lol.

It's all good.

Like I said, polls are typically as "credible" as one's satisfaction with the results.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 05:50 PM

No I did not say who the poll favored read what I said dummy. You assume what I meant. Stupid people assume.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/20/16 06:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Look up real clear politics polls for Wednesday today then tell me from all those polls who is going to win the election? It isn't Hillary not a chance. Plus republicans are going to hold the senate and the congress.

Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/21/16 06:26 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Considering the country is better today than it was when Obama took office, in just about every category? Yes, Obama has brought change. He saved us from going into another depression.
Better to who? People like you that don't work and pay insurance premiums like the rest of the hard working middle class Americans? Well, I guess you are right, it is better for you and the slacker gamers of the world.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/21/16 06:36 AM

Should be noted that nobody, and I mean nobody, represents the hard working middle class American better than Donald Trump.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/21/16 06:38 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Should be noted that nobody, and I mean nobody, represents the hard working middle class American better than Donald Trump.
With the exception of Hillary Clinton, the hardest working Blue Collar American in the history of America.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/21/16 06:45 AM

Compared to silver spooned Donald Trump, she's Norma Rae.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/21/16 06:55 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Compared to silver spooned Donald Trump, she's Norma Rae.

I know Trump was born to a wealthy Real Estate Dad and made his career in Real Estate. Who was Clinton born to and what actual jobs has she held in life? Answer that question. Or if you are scared to return to your defensive "half-witty" quips that deflect and run from the real issues of your candidate.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/21/16 07:29 AM

The only issue my candidate has is who she's going to invite to the inauguration.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/21/16 11:32 PM

Nazi who originated Donald Trump Jr.’s Skittles metaphor was hanged at Nuremberg...

https://t.co/DubIKTwprY
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/21/16 11:39 PM

NBC/WSJ (including Stein and Johnson) Clinton +6
NBC/WSJ (Hillary vs. Trump) Clinton +7
Economist/YouGov (including Stein and Johnson) Clinton +2
Economist/YouGov (Hillary vs. Trump) Clinton +1

Trump is +2 in Reuters poll that includes Stein in Johnson, and +3 in a FoxNews poll (which of course has zero credibility)
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/22/16 07:02 AM

Loved Don King's speech and endorsement of Trump. Loved it. That was huge!
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/22/16 07:04 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The only issue my candidate has is who she's going to invite to the inauguration.


If she doesn't faint onstage from her "pneumonia" first.
Posted By: Crash

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/22/16 12:49 PM

There will be a lot of people who say they arent voting for Trump but when they go into the voting booth, they are going to vote for him in secret. I think those are the people that will cause Trump to win. i also think the race is going to be won by a very narrow margin.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/22/16 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Crash
There will be a lot of people who say they arent voting for Trump but when they go into the voting booth, they are going to vote for him in secret. I think those are the people that will cause Trump to win. i also think the race is going to be won by a very narrow margin.


Even if Trump wins the popular vote it doesn't necessarily mean he'll win the electoral vote, and it's the electoral vote that wins the presidency.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/22/16 07:50 PM

Now it's down to "The Bradley Effect". lol.

The McCain people were hoping for that in 2008.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/25/16 10:11 PM

Now Trump's campaign team doesn't want the media fact checking them.

http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/09/25...checkers/213294
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/25/16 11:01 PM

could very well be the debates that decide it, can't see trump getting the best of Hillary Monday night. if he's called on his lies, it could be a game changer.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/25/16 11:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
could very well be the debates that decide it, can't see trump getting the best of Hillary Monday night. if he's called on his lies, it could be a game changer.


The fact that Hillary lied to the families of Bengahzi victims does not seem to bother you. Notwithstanding the lies given to the FBI,congress and destruction of evidence. Trump's lies dwarf in comparison to Hillary's.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 02:40 AM

Her Parkinson's must be improving. It's back to Benghazi again.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 05:09 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Her Parkinson's must be improving. It's back to Benghazi again.
Guess the media fact checkers can't bring up Benghazi right. Why not? Can the media only fact check your candidates rival, but not your candidate herself?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 05:36 AM

How many times should they ask her about an event in which she's been cleared of any wrong doing?
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 06:09 AM

The public wants more answers. Here's an idea opponents of Hillary: lets go start a fucking riot until she gets what she deserves. Thats the mindset of her supporters.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 06:14 AM

Hillary's already getting everything she wants. The riots are over police murdering people.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 06:31 AM

So the other day Trump's son said his dad "came from nothing"? omg.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 08:40 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
So the other day Trump's son said his dad "came from nothing"? omg.


Here is the double standard again. A Republican says something to the effect that the words do not come out right by mistake, then the media will pick up on that mistake. On the other hand Hillary will slur her words, and CNN the Clinton Network will edit the tape or cut off any words that will make Clinton look bad.
People laugh at that million dollar loan that Trump got from his father. People have no idea how difficult it is to take one million dollars and turn that to 10 Billion. It takes a lot of smarts.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 04:15 PM

Ciment,

True points about the existence of double standards.

However, Trump's son was not mis quoted, nor were his words taken out of context.

Trump is an accomplished man, however his dad bailed him out of financial problems SEVERAL times.
The million dollar loan was just at the beginning.

Call Trump many things, but can't call him a self made man.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 04:31 PM

A lot of smarts, like refusing to pay companies he contracts to. I've heard all about it. I suppose you will make money if you contract to companies that will build everything for you on credit, then stiff them.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Ciment,

True points about the existence of double standards.

However, Trump's son was not mis quoted, nor were his words taken out of context.

Trump is an accomplished man, however his dad bailed him out of financial problems SEVERAL times.
The million dollar loan was just at the beginning.

Call Trump many things, but can't call him a self made man.


I agree with you that Trump's son actually said those words, I do not deny that. What I was saying is sometimes you say something and it doesn't come out the way you meant it.
A person that starts with nothing and ends up earning his first million is a big achievement. Compare this with Trump that starts with a million and ends up with 10 billion that is a much more bigger achievement. To put in context of a billionaire's point of view, it is right to say he started with nothing (a million) and created a billion dollar empire. This is what I think Trump's son was trying to say.
With your other point, even if his father helped him. He still managed to surpass his father's wealth a thousand times over. Example, his siblings had the same opportunity, why weren't they able to achieve the same wealth that Donald Trump did.
Furthermore this whole trivial conversation we are having is just a distraction to Hillary's failures which they don't want people to focus on. I honestly believe that Trump entered politics wanting to do something good in his life. He already made his money and is not motivated by greed like the rest of those corrupted politicians.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 06:16 PM

I'd have to know what Trump's supporters have seen in him in the past to be convinced that he entered politics to do something good in his life. I'm not sure that Trump has done a genuinely nice thing for anyone, ever, that wasn't for some kind of PR, or that he didn't expect a favor in return for. People like Donald Trump are incapable of doing good things. It's not in their wiring.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
A lot of smarts, like refusing to pay companies he contracts to. I've heard all about it. I suppose you will make money if you contract to companies that will build everything for you on credit, then stiff them.


When your in business and own several companies, there will always be disagreements and disputes. I never heard of a marriage without arguments from time to time. Businesses are the same. What you are doing is just throwing spaghetti on the wall and hope that some might stick on the wall.
In your world a person that breaks a window is just as guilty as someone committing a crime. Your are comparing apples with oranges.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/26/16 06:31 PM

Every fraudster has a story.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 02:48 AM

Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 02:59 AM

Well, Fox news is pretty much giving the debate to Mrs. Clinton. Even Laura Ingrahm says that Mrs. Clinton came prepared. Brit Hume, Megyn Kelly, and even Dana Perino say that Trump did okay for the first 15 minutes or so, but then faded. Brit Hume said that Trump looked bored and annoyed like he did during the Republican primary debates and Mrs. Clinton looked calm and cool. Well, if Fox News says Mrs. Clinton won't it, then I guess she did.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 06:03 AM

UPI reports that Trump is ahead of Clinton in electoral college votes:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/09/2.../3941474908310/
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 06:11 AM

Trump lost no doubt about it he was not as prepared as Clinton

Thing with these debates is they actually have no impact on how people are going to vote this by this stage people know what they are going to vote they won't be changing there mind.

I heard trump was winning in the polls as well will be interesting it looks very close but then again never trust the polls they are wrong a lot of the time .
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 06:20 AM

I saw the same Trump tonight that I've seen my entire life. I don't know what he could have possibly done better, or what he could have "prepared" for. This was his best. This is the Trump I've always known. I would like to know when anyone has seen him act better than this in public. I've never seen it. Arrogant, getting frustrated when challenged. This is Donald Trump.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 06:33 AM

Real Clear Politics, which compiles all polls, has Hillary ahead in electoral map.

(link has breakdown of each state)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 07:21 AM

Wow she is really far a head of a non politician isn't she? smile
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 07:42 AM

But Donald Trump is a politician, and a losing one.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 07:59 PM

Originally Posted By: gangstereport
Trump lost no doubt about it he was not as prepared as Clinton

Thing with these debates is they actually have no impact on how people are going to vote this by this stage people know what they are going to vote they won't be changing there mind.

I heard trump was winning in the polls as well will be interesting it looks very close but then again never trust the polls they are wrong a lot of the time .


Trump is an example of what not to do in debates. Blown opportunity after blown opportunity. Hillary started off greeting the moderator and the audience, while Trump jumped into his first answer without greeting anyone. Blamed China for everything. I couldn't listen after that.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 09:26 PM

Most of the online polls with the exception of CNN...."Clinton News network" show that Trump won the debate. All she was able to do is attack him on trivial stuff like the birther issue,contractor and income tax. Something that nobody cares about. Trump delivered knock punches on foreign matters, the economy and jobs.
Looks like the polls in Colorado,Virginia and Minnesota(democratic strong hold) of all places are narrowing. It doesn't look good for Hillary.
Have a nice day !!!
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 10:06 PM

All that's been released today is the USC tracking poll that Trump has led in for some time, yet his lead continues to decrease. Was at plus 7, now at plus 2.

Gallup poll released today putting Obama above 50% approval rating.

Bush's approval rating was at 25% in September of '08. Bill Clinton's at 60% in September of 2000. Clinton left office at nearly 70%. America likes its Democratic presidents.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 10:38 PM

No chance Trump won the debate- my opinion
Posted By: RollinBones

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/27/16 11:36 PM

i dont care much for either candidate, but i think its clear to everyone except the staunchest trump supporters that he lost last night. also came off childish interrupting every 10 seconds.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 04:37 AM

ciment...... I question trump being worth 10 billion, don't you know he is 650 million in debt with 2 companies, and, he only owns 35% of trump towers, I'm sure his tax records would show this. but, he won't release them, is it because the Russians own him?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 04:51 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
All that's been released today is the USC tracking poll that Trump has led in for some time, yet his lead continues to decrease. Was at plus 7, now at plus 2.

Gallup poll released today putting Obama above 50% approval rating.

Bush's approval rating was at 25% in September of '08. Bill Clinton's at 60% in September of 2000. Clinton left office at nearly 70%. America likes its Democratic presidents.


If bill approval was that high which I don't think is accurate show me the proof of it. It isonly because of a republican congress. His first term was a failure. He was a likeable guy as a person as well. Other women really thought he was likeable.

It is 50 percent because people even white people like obama as a person. Not because he was a good president.

Hey obama would bring all races and parties together remember? Has he done it?

The national debt would be much higher if the government didn't print a trillion a year with nothing to back it up. During his presidency.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 05:11 AM

one very good thing for Hillary, she looked good, and proved she had no health issues, now trumps hired guns have got to put away her health concerns which were all bogus from the beginning. started by his stooge gulliani.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 05:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
If bill approval was that high which I don't think is accurate show me the proof of it.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/116677/presid...ics-trends.aspx

Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 05:20 AM

The irony of Hillary's health is that she looks healthier now than she has at any point in the past 5 years.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 07:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
one very good thing for Hillary, she looked good, and proved she had no health issues, now trumps hired guns have got to put away her health concerns which were all bogus from the beginning. started by his stooge gulliani.


Funny thing about that I also thought Hillary looked good. Then my wife said before I mentioned how she looked that there was something about her eyes that looked wrong. I did not notice it but she did.

So maybe she is fine and maybe she is not fine health wise.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
ciment...... I question trump being worth 10 billion, don't you know he is 650 million in debt with 2 companies, and, he only owns 35% of trump towers, I'm sure his tax records would show this. but, he won't release them, is it because the Russians own him?


Whether he is worth 10 billion or 4 billion so what. You should be more concerned about the millions of dollars that the Clinton's took from terrorist countries and dictators. Also the 150 billions dollars they gave to Iran and got nothing in return. I can't understand why people focus on trivial things while there are people out there killing Americans. Her incompetency costed American lives. I guess calling Miss Venezuela piggy is of national importance; I am surprised nobody brought that up.
With regards to having a debt, 99% of companies have debt. This is part of doing business you borrow to invest and make money.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 06:43 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Footreads
If bill approval was that high which I don't think is accurate show me the proof of it.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/116677/presid...ics-trends.aspx





The only reason why Clinton was successful was for the fact that he was forced to work with both houses that were controlled by the Republicans for most of his presidency. I believe you forgot to mention that.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 06:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Ciment
With regards to having a debt, 99% of companies have debt. This is part of doing business you borrow to invest and make money.


No kidding. I think we all learned that the hard way in 2008.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 07:22 PM

How much money did lose in 2008. Mommy took your piggy bank.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Ciment
I believe you forgot to mention that.


No, I didn't forget anything. I didn't mention it because I didn't have to. Another poster here, who I never interact with unless it's absolutely necessary, expressed disbelief over Clinton's exit approval rating, so I posted it for them.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 08:27 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Ciment
With regards to having a debt, 99% of companies have debt. This is part of doing business you borrow to invest and make money.


No kidding. I think we all learned that the hard way in 2008.


The 2008 happened on Bush's watch but began with Jimmy Carter and I admit Bush played a part but it was the Democrats(Clinton) that progressed to full gear.
Dodd and Franks weren't exactly angels in this. One thing the Democrats & media are good at is to blame someone else (republicans). That devastation could not have happen in a two term presidency. Both the Democrats and Republicans were to blame; at least I am honest to admit it.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 08:44 PM

http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-el...o-was-15152974/

Since it was so important for Hillary to mention Miss Piggy at the debate.
This is a read for all the Miss Piggy lovers.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 08:47 PM

People can look at the candidates right now and see which party is more to blame for the financial crisis. Donald Trump's idea for preventing another crash is to "negotiate tough!!". When asked to expand on that, he never does, because he has no idea what he's talking about. The fact that the Republican party is entirely devoid of economic solutions other than promoting these Captain Marvel scenarios about the global economy is quite telling as to what their role was in the collapse. The Wall Street bankers probably sold them on the same fairy tales.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 08:54 PM

Alicia Machado is yet another nightmare for the hapless GOP. She's trending. People like her. Women really like her. Women relate to her, and to the verbal abuse she took from Trump. Trump repeated some of the same insults toward her when asked about it this week, which throws out the rebuttal that this was old news. He still believes it. Still believes it's okay for a presidential candidate to publicly mock a woman's weight. Hannity can carry his water all he wants to. Trump will probably be his co-host in November anyway.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 09:33 PM

Hilary's plan to prevent another collapse is to ignore the man behind the curtain. She's such a puppet of Wall Street bankers that she doesn't even like to mention the Federal Reserve. So she has zero credibility and she's a big phony.

Trump, to his credit atleast mentioned it but did not explain how to fix the problem. I'm guessing he only mentioned it to appeal to a certain demographic of people out there, but didn't really go to the heart of the problem or talk about what has to be done. Trump has instead blamed most of the countries economic problems on bad trade deals. This also plays into a very populist demographic but would in reality do very little to fix the fundamental problems.

Hillary also said nothing of substance. Guess what, she wants higher paying jobs for the middle class everybody! Oh how profound.

But maybe she could finally get her chance to start that war with Russia that she so badly wants. Maybe..
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 11:23 PM

My biggest fear with Clinton is her reaction to Russia she wants to go back to the cold war days. US needs to work with Russia instead it fights it Russia are no saints but hey the US works with Saudia Arabia a country that murders thousands of its people, finances terriorst groups and bombs other middle eastern countries but no one takes notice in the west all about the oil

US did try to work with Russia on Syria but look what happened us killed 60 normal Syrian soldiers accidentally thinking they were ISIS and Russia have kept bombing hospitals so nothing has changed. So while the US and Russia fight there proxy war 2 million people have no water and running out of food of course no aid is coming gets blown up by the Russians disgrace really and people wonder why there is a refugee crisis we in Europe have to deal with US and Russia doing fuck all to help Europe even though they are causing it. Leader's of the free world what bullshit
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 11:24 PM

I have no idea what he will do changes his mind constantly but I will say this the US cannot afford to keep military supporting so many countries US just can't afford at the moment to do what it used to do it can't affod another Iraq US domination in the world is on the decline and your still a super power 30 years you won't be times are changing Obama Clinton Kerry they tried to keep US influence by supporting coups and rebel groups in the middle east but that's been a disaster Libya is a real mess 7 different governments now plus ISIS, Egypt when the US did not like the democraticly elected leader it backed a coup now it is military controlled, Syria Al Qeada affiliated groups have ended up with US weapons after the US gave guns to the so called "moderate groups" and the people they trained half were caputed and executed by ISIS many others fled or joined terriorst groups

I am happy congress overruled obama the families permission fuck Saudias they deserve to get to sue them of course the same old crying about
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/28/16 11:44 PM

Yeah, there you go, the middle east today is all Obama, Hillary and John Kerry's fault. It was a picnic before Obama became president. The world was just a totally peaceful place the day before Obama took office. Economy was soaring. Then Obama and Hillary and John Kerry and....and...Democrats...yeah, they just came in and started wars and spending money and they don't know what they're doing and oh my god what will we do now...

Please.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
People can look at the candidates right now and see which party is more to blame for the financial crisis. Donald Trump's idea for preventing another crash is to "negotiate tough!!". When asked to expand on that, he never does, because he has no idea what he's talking about. The fact that the Republican party is entirely devoid of economic solutions other than promoting these Captain Marvel scenarios about the global economy is quite telling as to what their role was in the collapse. The Wall Street bankers probably sold them on the same fairy tales.


I do not know where to begin. First of all Wall street is in bed with the Democrats not the republican. With regard to wall street fairy tales Hillary is an expert in this she got millions from those secret wall street speeches that Bernie Sanders dared her to make public. Chelsea Clinton father-in-law was convicted of 31 charges of felony fraud, and served five years in federal prison. Chelsea's husband is an American investment banker, co-founder of the hedge fund Eaglevale Partners.
Trump wants fair trade, the U.S net loss to trade deals is over 800 billions dollars.He will lower taxes to companies that have money offshore, this will bring at least 2 trillions for companies to invest in the U.S. He will force manufacturers to built in the U.S. and create jobs. He will reign excess government spending. He will lower taxes for the middle class and companies to stimulate the economy. Will remove restrictions & regulations for companies that invest in the U.S. He will allow coal mining, more drilling for oil and natural gas. I could go on some more but something tells me that you do not care. By the looks of it you made no effort in fact finding. Hillary economic plan is status quo. Spend, spend,raise taxes and direct funds in her bank account.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 01:08 AM

In bed with Wall Street?

The Democratic candidate released their tax returns.

The Republican candidate has not, and, refuses to.

Any questions?
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 01:26 AM

Why should he, so that more lies could come out of it from that crooked Hillary.

You want Trump's tax returns yet Hillary does not want to release her emails. All her staff pleads the fifth because they are very honest people. She racks in millions while she is in government and it seem okay with you. She pretends to care about women's rights and issues up until a dictator gives her hush money for a political favor. She has a foundation that she uses as money laundering. Oh yes I forgot it's a charitable foundation that keeps 90% for the Clinton's and 10% for good causes. I guess all this cool.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 02:04 AM

lol. Tough spot Trump's in. He keeps hiding them, everyone knows he's hiding something. He shows them, everyone sees what kind of shady dealings he's involved with. I guess he thought running for president would be as easy as hosting a tv show.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 02:08 AM

Lol tax returns. What a weak deflection.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 02:17 AM

Yeah, try to make a story go away by downplaying it on a message board. It's huge. It's one of the key issues that's going to hang trump by his orange rug.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 02:40 AM

Lol a key issue. Hillary, an elected official can literally get paid hundreds of thousands per speech in secret to Goldman Sachs, and yet an unelected guys tax returns are somehow important.

Nice try though.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 02:50 AM

If he's not hiding anything, why won't he just show them?

Answer: He's hiding something.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 02:54 AM

Maybe he is. I just don't understand why I should care.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 03:12 AM

Well, as long as we're talking about being owned by Wall Street. When one candidate refuses to show his tax returns, while the other candidate (and both veep candidates) have shown theirs, I think we know where to start when figuring out which candidate has the shadiest financial connections.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 06:35 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Yeah, there you go, the middle east today is all Obama, Hillary and John Kerry's fault. It was a picnic before Obama became president. The world was just a totally peaceful place the day before Obama took office. Economy was soaring. Then Obama and Hillary and John Kerry and....and...Democrats...yeah, they just came in and started wars and spending money and they don't know what they're doing and oh my god what will we do now...

Please.





Oak have you ever seen me say all Obama Clinton kerrrys fault ? They did try and do what they felt was best but they got it wrong they a lot of mistakes they do deserve criticism for that but I am not blaming the middle east problem on them or even Bush Bush is a major factor to the problem but he is not the cause

But oak your right Kerry and Obama are saints who have never done a thing wrong and don't deserve any critizm typical of you guys so ignorant of the effect the US actions have on the world even us in Europe with the refugee crisis
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 07:31 AM

Reading that post of yours earlier about the problems in the middle east, all I saw were Democrat names. After the holes Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld put into the earth? Come on.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 10:36 AM

Anyone know why those weapons of mass destruction were not found in Iraq? Mostly world war 1 mustard gas and now Mustard gas has been used in Syria.

I was told years ago by Russians who were in a position to know that the Russian Army took them out of Iraq and brought them to Syria just before the first American attack on Iraq. The US army did not inspect those Russian army trucks when they left Iraq.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 03:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Ciment


He will lower taxes to companies that have money offshore, this will bring at least 2 trillions for companies to invest in the U.S. He will force manufacturers to built in the U.S. and create jobs. He will reign excess government spending. He will lower taxes for the middle class and companies to stimulate the economy.


There's a lot here in this post that I'm curious about, but most of all the bolded part.


It's a two part question:

Why do you think that power lies with the president?

What exactly do you think can be done to force manufacturers to manufacture goods in the USA?
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 05:26 PM

I agree, I should of used encourage, it was an error on my part.

They can encourage companies to stay in the U.S by lowering taxes and having less regulations. But if they still decide to leave, then their products built abroad will be subject to a tariff tax on goods entering the U.S.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 05:33 PM

That's right that is why we should vote for him plus he will put Supreme Court judges on the bench who actually will follow the constitution.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 05:40 PM

i like buying products made in the United States I hate buying products made in other countries even if they are good like the IPad. I would not minding paying more for them either.

The Japanese and the Germans rather buy their own products then any other countries products we should be like that. It should not only being about buying things cheaper. If our companies knew that fact they would start making them here again.

I believe most people living here are patriots except Oak of course.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 05:42 PM

Amen to that !
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
i It should not only being about buying things cheaper. If our companies knew that fact they would start making them here again.



Our companies do know that fact. Also, many of our companies are also trying to sell to the (much larger) global market, and not just the US market. Something rather important to consider.




We tried implementing a large protectionist tariff on tires a few years ago. (It didn't go very well.)


Quote:
The tariff also forced consumers to spend $1.1 billion more on tires than they otherwise would have — or roughly $900,000 per U.S. tire industry job created. And retaliatory tariffs imposed by the Chinese further hurt our economy. In early 2010, China’s Ministry of Commerce imposed tariffs ranging from 50.3 to 105.4 percent on American poultry imports, which “reduced exports by $1 billion as U.S. poultry firms experienced a 90 percent collapse in their exports of chicken parts to China,”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432462/donald-trump-protectionist-tariffs-hurt-working-class
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 05:59 PM

Businesses don't take Donald Trump seriously. They know how he made it. He never ran a product driven business. He's a salesman. Real estate. That's it. You know those people who work as real estate agents? They tell you how successful they are, they give your their card, they're always wearing a suit, yet they somehow still live with their parents? Donald Trump is basically the top of that chain, and, he lives off of his parents, too. His dad's friends loan him money every time he fails.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 06:08 PM

Donald Trump is the lizard king of delusional salespeople all across America. He's like their god.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 06:15 PM

You know all about living at home with mom don't you. I am betting Dad took a powder when you were born.

I got your number a long time ago.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 06:16 PM

I am aware that China at first will try to retaliate.There will be an adjustment period.The U.S can weather the storm. China has a more fragile economy than what many people think. The status quo cannot exist anymore, they manipulate their currency, they create knock products, steal technology and at the end of the day the U.S has over 500 billion dollars in trade deficit with them. They will have to trade fairly if they want to do business.
Whatever products the U.S needs to import can easily be made elsewhere like India or other Asian countries that can respect fair trade.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 06:17 PM

Do you have any idea how much money a really good sales man can make in a year.

More then you will ever see that is for damn sure.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 06:31 PM

Shocker, but I've learned in this topic that Trump supporters have absolutely zero idea how international trade works.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 06:45 PM

There's nothing wrong with being a salesperson. Some are good people. I'd say the more necessary the product is to the quality of life in general and the more ethical the company is, the better of a person the salesperson is. Then, there's Trump and the salespeople that follow his model. Making the sale at all costs. Lying. Begging. Borrowing. Stealing. Empty on the inside. Soulless. They've never made anything great, much less America.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 07:33 PM


I've been importing from Asia for about 25 years, so I feel I have a good grasp of China's economy, a good part of my business depends on it.

We don't have a $500 bil trade def with China, it's more like 365-370 billion. Also, China is our third largest export market. That would be quite a blow to the US economy if it were cut off. We might not be able to weather that.

In addition we have a services trade surplus with China, currently running about $30 billion.(Then of course, we have US FDI in China corporate stocks, currently about $70 billion. )

Now, of course, many of the dollars from deficit actually do flow back into the US, through things such as real estate. 'Trade deficit' may sound horrible, but it seems widely misunderstood.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 07:52 PM

Having some kind of protectionist trade war with China would not be good for our economy.
China is often accused of being currency manipulators when the US is the biggest currency manipulator in the world.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 09:02 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Having some kind of protectionist trade war with China would not be good for our economy.
China is often accused of being currency manipulators when the US is the biggest currency manipulator in the world.


+1
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Reading that post of yours earlier about the problems in the middle east, all I saw were Democrat names. After the holes Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld put into the earth? Come on.


i dont give a fuck democrat or republican none of these guys are good people all made mistakes and all have done bad things obviously bush has done alot more damage than clinton obama and kerry never said otherwise i was talking about some of the most recent events which have happened under the obama administration libya egypt are both examples of major mistakes by the US.

US foreign policy as a whole has been disaster for a long time always making the same mistakes dont learn from history
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 10:07 PM

China. Russia. The Middle East.

Clinton can't deal with these issues. She's weak. She's a girl.

Donald Trump will negotiate tough.

What does that mean?

It doesn't mean anything.

He just says it because it sounds good. And, suckers buy it. It's what salesman do.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 10:09 PM

According to some of you China experts. We should surrender to China and let them walk over us. I feel much better now to know that it is only 370 billion dollar trade deficit.Let's put our heads in the sand and hope it will go away.

I am amazed that there is only a one way perception like it will be a blow to the US economy.
You should look at this as a two way perception. If it is a blow to the US, it will be a blow to China as well.
This is where diplomacy and good negotiating must take place and let China know that if they do not comply there will be serious economic consequences or they will suffer more. All what Trump wants is a fair trade where both parties win. Is that too much to ask ?
It time to grow some balls instead of bending down to them..
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 10:10 PM

Gangsterrport,

Keep telling me how you don't care about political parties while sharing one list after another of Democrats you blame for everything. It's quite entertaining.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 10:11 PM

It is not a protectionist trade, it is called fair trade where both parties win.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 10:13 PM

"Hillary will surrender to China!!!"

Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 10:16 PM

I guess we're at war with China now. lol.

Trump will win the wars that America's not even in.

Let's see Hillary do that.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 10:37 PM


Nobody spoke of war. The subject was about the economy. Please explain where you got that or are you just going to throw spaghetti again on the wall and hope that it will stick. You seem to be good at that. Maybe George Soros will find you a job at $15/hr to create havoc at Trump rallies. Funny the left doesn't speak of the other billionaire.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 10:39 PM

Originally Posted By: gangstereport
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Reading that post of yours earlier about the problems in the middle east, all I saw were Democrat names. After the holes Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld put into the earth? Come on.


i dont give a fuck democrat or republican none of these guys are good people all made mistakes and all have done bad things obviously bush has done alot more damage than clinton obama and kerry never said otherwise i was talking about some of the most recent events which have happened under the obama administration libya egypt are both examples of major mistakes by the US.

US foreign policy as a whole has been disaster for a long time always making the same mistakes dont learn from history


Real talk right there gangstereport.

Truth is that American foreign policy is largely bi-partisan and has been for decades and decades with only a few minor differences, mostly in rhetoric. The war party has been in charge and members of that party belong to both the democratic and republican establishment.

oak is super partisan, it's like trying to reason with somebody belonging to a cult. He is incapable of being objective due to his extreme warped worldview.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Ciment
According to some of you China experts. We should surrender to China and let them walk over us. I feel much better now to know that it is only 370 billion dollar trade deficit.Let's put our heads in the sand and hope it will go away.

I am amazed that there is only a one way perception like it will be a blow to the US economy.


I'm missing the part where anyone called for a 'surrender.' Also having trouble finding where anyone is only seeing this as one way. We live in a global economy now, it's not the 1950s. Of course it will impact China. And it will impact all of the foreign (many of which are American) owned companies that manufacture in China, which in turn will have other widely felt repercussions.

So what's the plan in regard to issues like that?

Quote:

This is where diplomacy and good negotiating must take place and let China know that if they do not comply there will be serious economic consequences or they will suffer more.



It sounds like you mean we should threaten them with force if they dont agree to trade terms. But i dont want to assume that without your clarification.


Also, do you think there is widespread support in the legislative branch for a trade war? Do you foresee any potential issues there?
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 11:08 PM


I forgot to mention in my earlier post that although I may disagree at times, I value your insight.It is just that someone else, whom does not deserve to be mentioned, got the best of me by his foolish remarks. Thanks for pointing out the 370 billion.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/29/16 11:33 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
China. Russia. The Middle East.

Clinton can't deal with these issues. She's weak. She's a girl.

Donald Trump will negotiate tough.

What does that mean?

It doesn't mean anything.

He just says it because it sounds good. And, suckers buy it. It's what salesman do.



china, russia, middle east, every other country in the world have no respect for trump

atleast they've met and know hillary clinton

trump is a miserable billionaire loser trying to add president to his bucket list
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 12:56 AM

Remember just a couple of weeks ago they said Hillary Clinton was dying of some cough, and was unfit to be president for health reasons?

She turns out to be fine.

She mops the floor with Trump's orange weave in the debate.

Now they're coming up with all of these crazy scenarios about how the middle east will become unraveled, we'll be in a nuclear war with Russia, and China will take over our economy and convert us to the yen or something.

Desperation, anyone?

Amusing, if nothing else.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 02:50 AM

I used the word surrender because some people are satisfied with the status quo of having continued trade deficits & having jobs go abroad.
I'd rather pay more for products and have a job; as opposed to not having a job and pay less for products at Walmart for example.
The word force was not used in my statement nor intended, I believe it was misinterpreted.In other words if China does not want to negotiate for a fairer trade deal and refuses to comply, I do not see why the US should give in to them. If they walk away from the talks China will have more to lose than the US and will suffer for this action.What I meant by a one way perception is that some are afraid to challenge China for fear of retaliation; they don't see that China stands to lose as well. I don't believe they will walk away.
With regards to issues, there could very be some; but the job of the president is to be a leader and promote his/her platform agenda to the people. This is what elections are for and it also depends how much support the president will get from both houses. Some presidents are very good communicators and can persuade public opinion for example JFK, Reagan and Clinton.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 03:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Ciment
I used the word surrender because some people are satisfied with the status quo of having continued trade deficits & having jobs go abroad.
I'd rather pay more for products and have a job; as opposed to not having a job and pay less for products at Walmart for example.
The word force was not used in my statement nor intended, I believe it was misinterpreted.In other words if China does not want to negotiate for a fairer trade deal and refuses to comply, I do not see why the US should give in to them. If they walk away from the talks China will have more to lose than the US and will suffer for this action.What I meant by a one way perception is that some are afraid to challenge China for fear of retaliation; they don't see that China stands to lose as well. I don't believe they will walk away.
With regards to issues, there could very be some; but the job of the president is to be a leader and promote his/her platform agenda to the people. This is what elections are for and it also depends how much support the president will get from both houses. Some presidents are very good communicators and can persuade public opinion for example JFK, Reagan and Clinton.


What exactly would a fair trade deal with China look like?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 12:44 PM

How many of you older people know people in their 50's and up who were laid off not fired in the 7 years of obama?

Why did they lay them off because of down sizing or they can get young people who can't find jobs to be happy to work for less pay then the older guys made when they worked.

Since the economy is so good now according to Hillary have all those people went back to work? Or at the same money they used to work for?
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 01:14 PM

Hillary is going to fix everything. She will carry on the Obama legacy. Hopefully her dylantin levels are being monitored. We wouldn't want her to go into a grand-mal when sucking off Putin during peace negotiations. She's a piece of shit. Trump tells it how it is.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 01:30 PM

I am not saying he is telling the whole truth. But when the economy is like this you have to make a change.

I can't imagine people are stupid enough to think this economy is good. Or if obama actually brought people together. We have not been more apart since the 60s.

Or if we are actually safer from terror now they we were before. The reason people don't get it is because we are ground zero for terror here in NYC not them.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 02:15 PM

In short, fair trade is when both parties sign to an agreement that is beneficial to them and respected by both parties.

When one side has a trade deficit year after year, it merits review and that is why Trump wants to renegotiate these trade agreements. Especially when America can't continue on this path of self destruction with a 20 Trillion debt on their shoulders.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 03:46 PM

The only reason our debt is only 20 trillion is because of the trillion a year the fed is printing with nothing to back it up under obama.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 03:51 PM

The proliferation of global supply chains and multinational investment has rendered bilateral trade balances an empty metric. (But much like the dreaded'DEATH TAX' it stirs up the proles.)


And engaging in this type of trade war not only goes against our agreements with China, it breaks our agreements within the WTO. Is Trump is planning on withdrawing from the WTO as well? Might as well, he can do it while he's 86'ing NATO.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 06:50 PM

San Diego Union Tribune endorses Hillary.

Conservative paper's first endorsement of a Democrat in 148 year history.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opin...0929-story.html
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 07:38 PM

From my understanding of Trump's policies he wants to improve NATO not get rid of it. He finds it outdated and some members do not pay their fair share. As for China how can you call it an agreement if they don't respect it ? Before Trump entered into the picture, economic pundits have been stating for years that China is not honoring trade agreements but nobody does anything about it. In many instances they could of taken their case to the WTO and I am quite sure it would have ruled in our favor; but there is always that lingering fear from companies lobbying politicians that there maybe retaliation. At the cost of corporate greed they choose the status quo. I do not see it as a trade war, I see it as negotiation.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 07:52 PM

Yes, Oak San Diego is full of republucans are you fucking kidding me.

In a little over a month we will really know who wins. If trump wins you will still be poor. If Hillary wins you will still be poor. smile

What you should do is get a rope and hang yourself. You will be happier I promise.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 08:00 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/30/tom_bevan_trump_closes_the_gap_in_key_states.html

Real Clear Politics poll:

Trump ahead in five key states. Trouble for Hillary.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 08:10 PM

I see a certain keyboard warrior knows nothing about San Diego or southern California politics in general.

San Diego, like Orange County, is very conservative.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 08:19 PM

Hillary ahead in Florida.

Gary Johnson, who was supposed to break into the Hillary vote, is falling off. Had another Sarah Palin moment when Chris Matthews asked him to name one, ONE world leader outside of the US, and he couldn't do it (libertarians. lol).

Trump continues to double down on stupid statements that already got him into trouble. Now he's got a sex tape. lol. He just does not get it. He might be the boss on his tv shows, but in politics, you give him the shovel and he does all the work.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 08:41 PM

Gary Johnson is a dope. Of course people like you would take this as an opportunity to laugh at "libertarians" but here's just another reason I could never jump on the Gary Johnson bandwagon. Not only is he not libertarian, ( he has shown time and time again that he doesn't understand or support libertarian principles) but he makes an ass of himself all the time.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 08:45 PM

Libertarians are notorious for falling short on solutions to current events.

Recession? Let the free market sort it out.

Diseases? Let the free market sort it out.

Terrorism? Let the free market sort it out.

Can you name one foreign leader? Trick question! I refuse to answer.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 09:12 PM

He did climb Mt. Everest though
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 09:20 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Libertarians are notorious for falling short on solutions to current events.

Recession? Let the free market sort it out.

Diseases? Let the free market sort it out.

Terrorism? Let the free market sort it out.

Can you name one foreign leader? Trick question! I refuse to answer.


And you're notorious for making tons of post per day on subjects you know nothing about.

I'm just here to show your little tactic didn't go unnoticed. Gary Johnson says something dumb or is unprepared and now it's "libertarianS lol" .

Gary Johnson, a guy that struggles to even define what libertarian even means. Lol
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 09:22 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I see a certain keyboard warrior knows nothing about San Diego or southern California politics in general.

San Diego, like Orange County, is very conservative.


No I didn't know that so now I can stop praying that the west coast will sink in the ocean. No I still hope it does since you live there.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 10:00 PM

People wanted a Libertarian in there, they got it. Libertarians are not known for having a keen grasp on current events. The free market to them is like "the force" in star wars. It would be their solution to a meteor hitting the planet. My goodness, I'm all for the little guy making a buck publishing lists on the internet or whatever without being taxed for half his earnings, but there's just a few too many million of people in this country to let the free market solve all problems. If there's anything good to come of Johnson's buffoonery, it's to scare voters away from going this haphazard direction in the future.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 10:29 PM

Conflating Gary Johnson with the philosophy of Liberty... Pure sophistry.

You would never dare engage in a real debate on libertarians and the market. Smear and deception is your only weapon.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 10:35 PM

You're right, I probably wouldn't dare debate someone who believes the free market would be the solution for radioactive fallout.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 10:37 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
People wanted a Libertarian in there, they got it. Libertarians are not known for having a keen grasp on current events. The free market to them is like "the force" in star wars. It would be their solution to a meteor hitting the planet. My goodness, I'm all for the little guy making a buck publishing lists on the internet or whatever without being taxed for half his earnings, but there's just a few too many million of people in this country to let the free market solve all problems. If there's anything good to come of Johnson's buffoonery, it's to scare voters away from going this haphazard direction in the future.


did you not read his post he said he does not represent all libertarians like himself you dont read posts properly you just manipulate what people are saying? And you know everything about libertariens and how all of them think and what they expect dont you oak

You really dont like anyone thinking a differently to you i have noticed you are the most disrespectful person on this site everytime someone has a different point of view to yours you respond by mocking and manipulating everything they say we all have different opinions to each other i disagree with the majority of this site on certain things but i respect there opinions and i would never respond to them the way you do it is disgusting i will be ignoring your posts in the future there is no point me trying to have any sort of discussion with you
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 09/30/16 10:48 PM

lol. give me a break. People insult me left and right here and get away with it, and I can't even insult them back because the moderator gave me a "final warning".

I say what I have to say and I follow the rules of the blog, unlike just about anyone else here.

And, btw, the topic I'm discussing is Gary Johnson and libertarian obliviousness. Since you're not a moderator, either reply to my topic or keep moving. Who do you think you are to question anyone else's motives?

And, yes, you were obviously trying to pass all of the world's problems on Democrats the other day. I guess you're still mad because I called you on that. That's probably where this rant is coming from. You're so transparent.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/01/16 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
You're right, I probably wouldn't dare debate someone who believes the free market would be the solution for radioactive fallout.


Gee, wonder why so many people insult you on here.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/01/16 01:00 AM

I'm not complaining about the insults, just pointing it out to someone who thinks I'm the most disrespectful person here, which is ridiculous. I'm the target of classless, distasteful insults all day long in here, and I'm not allowed to return fire. I don't complain. System is what it is. I just speak my mind and play by the rules.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/01/16 03:07 AM

I'm in the same boat as you oak, I have to be very careful what I say, I can't return the fire, I have to be calm, but there are many trump supporters who are down and out racists, and are sympathetic to the kkk. I refuse to let them bait me. also your post on the ultra conservative newpapers not endorsing trump doesn't that tell his supporters something?
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/01/16 11:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I'm in the same boat as you oak, I have to be very careful what I say, I can't return the fire, I have to be calm, but there are many trump supporters who are down and out racists, and are sympathetic to the kkk. I refuse to let them bait me. also your post on the ultra conservative newpapers not endorsing trump doesn't that tell his supporters something?


Racists should be kicked out of both parties and I would start with Hillary Clinton referring to Robert C Byrd a kkk member as " my friend and mentor".
Typical liberals, they can't win through dialogue so they resort to race baiting.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/01/16 01:00 PM

The female, youth and non-white vote pushes Clinton ahead in the post-debate polls.

The three segments most vulnerable to the propaganda rolled out by the Clinton machine.

I don't think Hillary is in any position to judge Trump on his attacks on women considering how her husband sexually assaulted scores of women and she dutifully intimidated them and tried to submit them into silence, but hey, it's Trump's job to fight fire with fire - and he's not doing it.

You have to wonder why.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/01/16 01:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Ciment
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I'm in the same boat as you oak, I have to be very careful what I say, I can't return the fire, I have to be calm, but there are many trump supporters who are down and out racists, and are sympathetic to the kkk. I refuse to let them bait me. also your post on the ultra conservative newpapers not endorsing trump doesn't that tell his supporters something?


Racists should be kicked out of both parties and I would start with Hillary Clinton referring to Robert C Byrd a kkk member as " my friend and mentor".
Typical liberals, they can't win through dialogue so they resort to race baiting.


Lets also not forget Will Quigg KKK Grand Dragon is supporting Hillary Clinton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L65RBwrtOeQ
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/01/16 04:10 PM

A Fox News poll released Friday confirmed what other scientific surveys have found in the aftermath of the first presidential debate: Hillary Clinton prevailed over Donald Trump in the affair, and she has seen a slight overall national bump because of it.

The poll, which was conducted entirely after the debate, found that 61% of voters who watched the debate viewed Clinton as the winner. Just 21% thought Trump came out on top.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/01/16 06:02 PM

trumps bullying the ex miss universe by sending tweets a 3 am 0nly goes to prove the man is deranged.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/01/16 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
trumps bullying the ex miss universe by sending tweets a 3 am 0nly goes to prove the man is deranged.


Take off your blinders,you conveniently forgot to mention the sexual predator Bill Clinton when he was forcing himself on women and then you had Hillary not only defending Bill; but was bullying the women that Bill had molested.
One of them was threatened and had her tires slashed.
You might defend and forgive the husband once but possibly 1/2 a dozen times or more is not normal. Hillary is the sick and deranged one. This Miss Universe has a shady past and is not credible.It is obvious that she was paid by the Hillary campaign.You should stop watching CNN (Clinton news network) you won't get the truth from them.
According to general Powell's email Clinton is still seeing women when Hillary is away on trips and when Bill & Hillary are together in front of camera's they pretend they love each other by walking hand in hand. All I have to say is the Clinton's are one sick family.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/01/16 08:29 PM

The Clinton's have a mutually beneficial relationship.

Hillary depends on her association with Bill for her political aspirations. Bill couldn't leave Hillary even if he wanted to because of all the dirt she has on him.

It's more like a partnership than a marriage at this stage.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/01/16 11:22 PM

ciment.... what shady past are you talking about? what evidence do you have of this miss universe having a shady past? please prove what you say, or don't say it.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 12:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
ciment.... what shady past are you talking about? what evidence do you have of this miss universe having a shady past? please prove what you say, or don't say it.


I will be glad to give you evidence on the Clinton's bullying & threaten women and Bill Clinton molesting women.
You seem to be avoiding the Clinton's past like plague but yet you are interested in Trump bullying Miss Universe. Tell me genius, which of the two were more outrageous Trump twitting about miss universe or Clinton's actions on women that were molested ?
Remember this when you will be voting in November, remember the victims that died in Benghazi, remember the lies that Hillary Clinton told victims families and blamed it on a video.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 12:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
ciment.... what shady past are you talking about? what evidence do you have of this miss universe having a shady past? please prove what you say, or don't say it.


Miss Universe Alicia Machado accused of threatening to kill judge in late '90s

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...n-late-90s.html
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 12:22 AM

^^ AND THIS:

http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-el...o-was-15152974/
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 12:42 AM

Bean,

with all due respect,Fox is giving you an out for Trump, and you're taking it.

Unless she was indicted for being an accessory, or for threatening a judge......or there is video/audio of her doing these things...it's just deflection away from what Trump has said ON CAMERA about the woman.

These networks exists for the SOLE purpose of crafting excuses,explanations for one political party/side or the other. It's more glaring coming from Fox, but they all do it.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 01:22 AM

On her video interview with Megan Kelly she claims she became anorexic after Trumps called her Ms. Piggy and Megan cited an earlier interview with the Washington Post disproving that all together. Also, there was no one but her who can corroborate what she is claiming.Politico and others also printed that she was the subject of threatening a judge and driving a gateway car. Keep in mins Megan kelly hates Trump.
Your argument also applies to what supposedly Trump said about her. There is no video or witnessing. If anything Trump is encouraging her. But let not forget this happened over 20 years ago. And, it is a beauty contest.
MSNBC and the Clinton News Network is more one sided that FOX, just my opinion.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 03:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Ciment
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
ciment.... what shady past are you talking about? what evidence do you have of this miss universe having a shady past? please prove what you say, or don't say it.


I will be glad to give you evidence on the Clinton's bullying & threaten women and Bill Clinton molesting women.
You seem to be avoiding the Clinton's past like plague but yet you are interested in Trump bullying Miss Universe. Tell me genius, which of the two were more outrageous Trump twitting about miss universe or Clinton's actions on women that were molested ?
Remember this when you will be voting in November, remember the victims that died in Benghazi, remember the lies that Hillary Clinton told victims families and blamed it on a video.


bill Clinton isn't running for president, Hillary Clinton
is. why are you accusing miss universe of making a sex tape,
where no one exist, what about melania trump? what about her sex pictures in magazines, you can.t prove anything.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 11:12 AM

Let me refresh you memory. Bill Clinton the sexual predator did the molesting and Hillary Clinton, the person that is running for president,did the bullying.That makes her an enabler.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 03:05 PM

I don't understand your logic, Hillary is not responsible for what bill did, also. either produce a sex tape of miss universe or admit that one does not exit. that is slander if one cannot prove the accusation.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 04:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I don't understand your logic, Hillary is not responsible for what bill did, also. either produce a sex tape of miss universe or admit that one does not exit. that is slander if one cannot prove the accusation.


Pick up a dictionary and look up the definition of the word "enabler".

You know, one who enables(Hillary Clinton) a sexual predator (Bill Clinton).
I hope this makes you understand. Let me know if you need further help. I will be glad to assist.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 04:25 PM

Bean,

I respect your points.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Ciment
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I don't understand your logic, Hillary is not responsible for what bill did, also. either produce a sex tape of miss universe or admit that one does not exit. that is slander if one cannot prove the accusation.


Pick up a dictionary and look up the definition of the word "enabler".

You know, one who enables(Hillary Clinton) a sexual predator (Bill Clinton).
I hope this makes you understand. Let me know if you need further help. I will be glad to assist.



where is the sex tape your man trump accused miss universe of being in, are you finally going to admit it doesn't exit?
everyone knows Hillary is not responsible for bills actions, it was him, she never had any affairs, now, what about trump lying about a sex tape! also, are you proud of trump not paying any income tax in 18yrs?
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Ciment
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I don't understand your logic, Hillary is not responsible for what bill did, also. either produce a sex tape of miss universe or admit that one does not exit. that is slander if one cannot prove the accusation.


Pick up a dictionary and look up the definition of the word "enabler".

You know, one who enables(Hillary Clinton) a sexual predator (Bill Clinton).
I hope this makes you understand. Let me know if you need further help. I will be glad to assist.



where is the sex tape your man trump accused miss universe of being in, are you finally going to admit it doesn't exit?
everyone knows Hillary is not responsible for bills actions, it was him, she never had any affairs, now, what about trump lying about a sex tape! also, are you proud of trump not paying any income tax in 18yrs?


Where is the Benghazi video that Hillary Clinton says exists ?

Again which is more outrageous the Benhgazi victims and lies told to their family or Miss Universe sex tapes ?

Trump Income Taxes: New York Times Reports Trump May Have Avoided Taxes For 18 Years.

What part of may have don't you understand ? I get it the lies coming from the liberal media.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Ciment
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I don't understand your logic, Hillary is not responsible for what bill did, also. either produce a sex tape of miss universe or admit that one does not exit. that is slander if one cannot prove the accusation.


Pick up a dictionary and look up the definition of the word "enabler".

You know, one who enables(Hillary Clinton) a sexual predator (Bill Clinton).
I hope this makes you understand. Let me know if you need further help. I will be glad to assist.



where is the sex tape your man trump accused miss universe of being in, are you finally going to admit it doesn't exit?
everyone knows Hillary is not responsible for bills actions, it was him, she never had any affairs, now, what about trump lying about a sex tape! also, are you proud of trump not paying any income tax in 18yrs?


It's clear that Hillary IS NOT responsible for Bill Clinton's action but she IS responsible for flat-out discrediting the women or blaming the scandals on something else other than her own husband. See this video. Now I know all about Breibart and Fox but this was exposed by the Washington Post. Her it from Hillary's own mouth:

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/09/3...ory-with-women/
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll

where is the sex tape your man trump accused miss universe of being in, are you finally going to admit it doesn't exit?
everyone knows Hillary is not responsible for bills actions, it was him, she never had any affairs, now, what about trump lying about a sex tape! also, are you proud of trump not paying any income tax in 18yrs?


The sex tape of Alicia Machado is a hoax that porn sites regularly do to get more viewers. They take a video of a porn actress that looks like someone more famous, then claim that it really is the famous person. Some Trump followers probably saw the re-labelled video come up when they do searches and assumed it really was Machado.

What Ms. Machado really did was appear on a Big Brother-type show and have sex with another guest. She was shown having sex, but under a blanket. She also appeared in Playboy.

Some have claimed that Hillary had an affair with Vince Foster, another person says she's a lesbian. Nothing proven in either case.

There are also claims that she ran a "Nuts and Sluts" campaign to discredit her husband's accusers. These are just the women that Bill had affairs with, but also women he sexually harassed and possibly raped. The Left says it doesn't like "slut-shaming," but seems to have no problem when Hillary Clinton and Clinton operatives like James Carville engage in it. Juanita Broddrick says that Hillary personally threatened her after her husband's assault.

In another story, Hillary reportedly made false allegations in a report involving a 12-year-old rape victim.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...new-guilty.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...ictim-says.html
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/02/16 10:11 PM

^^ Faithful have you heard about a new book by Roger Stone and Robert Morrow, “The Clintons’ War on Women,” that names the actual biological father of Chelsea Clinton as Webb Hubbell, Hillary Clinton’s partner at the Little Rock Rose Law Firm and, later, associate attorney general of the U.S. in the Clinton administration?
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/webb-hubbell-no-comment-on-fathering-chelsea-clinton/#E9f1SdDk0bPdcOfw.99
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/03/16 03:34 AM

Beans, I've listened to Roger Stone before and I have serious issues with the guy. He exaggerates and says things just to get a reaction from people (sort of reminds me of someone...), so I don't find him all that credible.

The claim that Webb Hubble is the bio father of Chelsea has been around for a while. The problem is proving or disproving it. How is one going to get them both to take DNA tests? And refusing to take one is no indication of guilt. Several years back a guy named Chris Knight wanted to exhume Al Capone's body so he could bet a DNA test -- at the time he believed he was Al's illegitimate gay grandson. The Capone family thought he was a nut.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/03/16 03:47 AM

good god, tell me that Chelsea Clinton doesn't look like a Clinton? take closer look, shes from Hillary, and bill all the way.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/03/16 04:54 AM

She is from Hillary alright. Google Webster Lee Hubbell. She's that Web's daughter no doubt. Look at the lips.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/03/16 07:56 AM

Wasn't Bill supposed to be impotent anyway?
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/03/16 12:00 PM

Here is an interesting article that shows that a DNA test was taken, albeit by the National Inquirer, the same tabloid which broke the John Edwards sex scandal. The accusation was also being made by former Clinton aide Larry Nichols.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/huge-scandal-chelsea-isnt-bill-clintons-daughter/
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/03/16 02:56 PM

Fellas,

Rush Limbaugh ran with that accusation years ago..and also one that a mixed race red headed child in Arkansas was Bill Clinton's love child with a Black woman.

The "proof" was a photo of the young kid held next to a photo of the Bill as a kid.


Wouldn't put it past Clinton, but they were just accusations....and like F1 stated, until you get all parties involved to submit to DNA test....will remain nothing more than rumors.
Those are the best rumors to spread, the ones that will never be confirmed or debunked.

Pre internet...Limbaugh got a lot of mileage out of those rumors.and the tabloids made millions spreading them.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/03/16 08:17 PM

Right now Drudge -- who's in the tank for Trump -- is putting out everything except the kitchen sink about the young man who's the son of an ex-prostitute and says he's the son of Bill Clinton. None of this will have any effect on Hillary's campaign and it seems like an act of desperation. Even if it's true it wouldn't have an effect, except he'd end up on some reality TV show.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/03/16 11:32 PM

right -on faith1- drudge has no credibility, absolutely none, and you are spot on about desperation, example, gulliani saying trump is a genius because he payed no taxes for 18 years. these trump supporters are living in a surreal world, and after trump stumbles in the next debate, it will get worse.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/03/16 11:39 PM

Thank God that CNN, MSNBC, ABC,NBC,CBS The Washington Post, The New York Times, USA Today and The NY Daily News and NY Post are fair and balanced.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/03/16 11:47 PM

ah, c'mon bean. DRUDGE!!
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/03/16 11:49 PM

^^^^^ Lol
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/04/16 06:47 AM

To be fair, The Drudge Report is a news aggregator site, so it rarely has it's own stories. In other words, it's a bunch of links. Where it runs into problems is that some of its headlines are click-bait: you click on a story because the headline makes you think it's something big or important, then it turns out it's a whole lotta nothing. This isn't the case all the time, just sometimes.

In the case of Bill Clinton's alleged black/biracial son, the headline at Drudge makes you think "Yeah, this is really Bill Clinton's kid." Then you click over to the article in a real newspaper and find out it's still unproven and alleged. Someone who knows about politics won't be fooled by this, but for the average ignorant American they might be. And don't assume that only Breitbart-reading Alt-Right people are in this category. There's plenty of young college students with heads full of mush who don't know anything about anything -- and most of them are on the Far Left. They can't name the current vice-president, but they can name every member of the Kardashian Klux Klan. The ignorant are our future.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/04/16 07:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
trumps bullying the ex miss universe by sending tweets a 3 am 0nly goes to prove the man is deranged.


It's crazy how people in today's world still are brainwashed by the media. Here is an original CNN story on Marchado (by the way CNN took multiple jabs about her weight) and guess who saved her job and defended her when the media (CNN) bashed her.......No less than Donald J Trump. Link to the CNN article......................from january 1997 CNN................................http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9701/29/fringe/miss.universe/
Posted By: BlackFamily

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/04/16 05:17 PM

" ignorant are our future."

Those words are so true and I'm apart that current future cry
Only if I was born a decade earlier lol
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/06/16 08:02 PM

Sean Hannity lashed out at his Fox News colleague Megyn Kelly on Twitter Wednesday night, saying that she “clearly” supports Hillary Clinton in response to comments Kelly made during her program earlier that night.

Hannity tweeted an article quoting Kelly’s comments about Donald Trump, where she criticized the presidential candidate for sitting down with only Hannity and avoiding “unsafe spaces.” With it, he wrote, “u should be mad at @HillaryClinton Clearly you support her. And @realDonaldTrump did talk to u.”
Posted By: Hollander

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/06/16 10:45 PM

I feel sorry for you Americans, you guys have to choose between two evils.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/07/16 12:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Hollander
I feel sorry for you Americans, you guys have to choose between two evils.


The majority of primary participants voted for them despite there being better candidates, so we'll end up with who we deserve.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/07/16 12:40 AM

Yes Rick. Did you see this, someone put it on the Manhattan Bridge.:D

Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/07/16 08:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Hollander
I feel sorry for you Americans, you guys have to choose between two evils.


+1
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/07/16 09:00 PM

Donald Trump bragged about trying to have sex with a married woman and being able to grope women in previously unaired footage from 2005 that surfaced on Friday.

Trump is heard discussing women in vulgar terms during off-camera banter during the taping of a segment for "Access Hollywood," footage which was obtained by The Washington Post. Trump dismissed the comments as "locker room banter" in a statement released by his campaign and sought to immediately deflect criticism onto the husband of his opponent Hillary Clinton.

The comments immediately raised the stakes for Sunday's highly anticipated debate between Trump and Clinton. The Democratic nominee has spent months portraying Trump as demeaning toward women and the emergence of the remarks could hand her -- and viewers in the town hall audience -- more evidence to make that point. The remarks prompted Trump -- for the first time in his nearly 16-month campaign -- to apologize.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/08/16 04:29 AM

Without excusing Trump, Hillary has zero moral ground to criticize his treatment of women considering who she's married to and her support for him and treatment of those women. Not that people stupid enough to support her will grasp this concept.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/08/16 02:51 PM

Well, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan has uninvited Trump from today's gathering of GOP leaders. Jason Chaffetz, Chair of the House Oversight Committee, has unendorsed Trump.

And now even Kelly Ayotte states that she will not vote for Trump.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/08/16 09:26 PM

Let me say this. Trump's commentary might be hard to read or listen to, but it's the truth. He didn't rape those women or pull a Cosby. They gave it up. That's reality. Those hypocrites were married and they let Trump grab them right between the legs as if he owned it. Now that said, he broke no laws. Hillary did. What Hillary did was far more egregious.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 12:37 AM

Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 02:09 AM

loved the vid, I feel exactly like de niro,
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 02:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Let me say this. Trump's commentary might be hard to read or listen to, but it's the truth. He didn't rape those women or pull a Cosby. They gave it up. That's reality. Those hypocrites were married and they let Trump grab them right between the legs as if he owned it. Now that said, he broke no laws. Hillary did. What Hillary did was far more egregious.


alfa, you want a sicko who gropes women in the white house, the tape shows his mindset, he thinks he can get away with anything, and he has. up until that tape surfaced............
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 02:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Let me say this. Trump's commentary might be hard to read or listen to, but it's the truth. He didn't rape those women or pull a Cosby. They gave it up. That's reality. Those hypocrites were married and they let Trump grab them right between the legs as if he owned it. Now that said, he broke no laws. Hillary did. What Hillary did was far more egregious.


alfa, you want a sicko who gropes women in the white house, the tape shows his mindset, he thinks he can get away with anything, and he has. up until that tape surfaced............


Good Evening Binnie. I'm not voting. What Deniro said about Trump also applies to Hillary. How could either of them have gotten so far? One has no class, the other broke the law, laundered bribe money and whatnot. Hillary should have her own thread in the Gangsterbb Organized Crime Real Life section.

Edit: Binnie, let me add further comment on the groping. A lot of men are in denial. A lot of men are having trouble understanding that many "women" have a dual personality when it comes to sex and their bodies. They are one way with their husband and the average Joe, another way when social climbing. I don't believe Trump made any unwanted advances toward any women. If you read the transcript of everything he said, on the hot mic, on Howard Stern, basically he is surrounded by tramps. He doesn't need to court anyone. He "just starts kissing" them, and they let him. They are married but when Trump shows up, he doesn't even have to ask for it. He just starts kissing them and the panties drop.

His Howard Stern comments showed that he has been fucking his beauty contestants on his Miss Universe beauty pageant. You know, all those perfect looking prudish married young women with perfect teeth who look so proper. Trump was asked what are the first letters of the alphabet of the countries' contestants he had sex with. He replied, "how many letters of the alphabet are there".

Let's move on.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 03:08 AM

Problem is we don't have any proof of Trump not paying his taxes (a felony) or Clinton supplying weapons to ISIS as Secretary of State. Both could be true and then they both should not be running.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 03:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Hollander
Problem is we don't have any proof of Trump not paying his taxes (a felony) or Clinton supplying weapons to ISIS as Secretary of State. Both could be true and then they both should not be running.


Hollander, I didn't even know about any weapons deals. I need to look into that.

What we DO know is that she is dirty and grimy and wants to go down as the first women president. But she is not even honorable. She is not honorable until she comes clean and shuts the Clinton foundation down.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 03:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo


Hollander, I didn't even know about any weapons deals. I need to look into that.


Wikileaks has proof of that they say, but they haven't released anything yet.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 03:52 AM

It'll be better than if Hillary wins. "Who's naive Kay..." Donald Trump talks like a regular person. His children are well spoken and mannered. Hilary's camp should've left this one alone. Can we say hypocrisy? Trump said those things and apologized. Slick Willy did those things and still hasn't personally apologized. And Hillary stands right behind him. For all of the women who say he is a pig, can I say 50 shades of gray? You couldnt get enough of the book, you needed a movie. All the R's that backed away from Trump today have been looking for an excuse to since he won the nomination. That is sad, a true republican will disown his/her party because of a few words? True politicians.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 04:07 AM

This is one of those rare occasions when Alfa and me actually agree on something. Neither Trump nor Clinton deserve or should be elected president. Trump has shown himself to be a depraved narcissist and Clinton is a Machiavellian sociopath who tells different audiences what they want to hear.

Her economic policy is fascistic and is only slightly more ignorant on economics than Trump is. She wants to follow the Australian model of gun control through executive orders and installing anti-Second Amendment judges. She's a warmonger who started the war in Libya, supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, helped get us into the quagmire in Syria, and is a hardliner against Putin. She also has the most extreme abortion policy of any president, not only advocating for abortion up and until delivery, but she wants to repeal the Hyde Amendment so all taxpayers can pay for them. Hillary wants to cut back on political free speech -- particularly for her critics -- and has a history of being willing to break the law to suit her political purposes. The Clintons used the Clinton Foundation to buy access to the State Dept. and, as the example from Haiti showed, used Foundation funds to support cronies to help themselves instead of the poor who needed it. She's not the better alternative to Trump. The better alternative is to vote for neither one of them.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 05:49 AM

one of them is going to be president whether we like it or not.
this mess could have been solved in the summer simply by denying trump the nomination, and having a true republican candidate, jeb bush could beat Hillary, john kasish could beat Hillary, mark Rubio could beat Hillary, but no, the republicans didn't have the guts to get rid of him. john kasish said it best today. "I TOLD YOU SO"
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 06:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Hollander


And this right there is the problem and the hypocrisy of liberals. Yes, Mr. DeNiro, everything you said about Trump is true. But do you remain honest by saying what needs to be said about Hillary? Nope. Not a peep. Credibility shot to Hell right there.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 09:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
one of them is going to be president whether we like it or not.
this mess could have been solved in the summer simply by denying trump the nomination, and having a true republican candidate, jeb bush could beat Hillary, john kasish could beat Hillary, mark Rubio could beat Hillary, but no, the republicans didn't have the guts to get rid of him. john kasish said it best today. "I TOLD YOU SO"


It's becoming more and more obvious that the Republicans are not interested in national office at this time. They are only interested in holding seats in Congress. They don't seem to care about the Presidency at all.

It should also become obvious to any Obama voter, and I count myself in that group, that most change is going to be initiated in the Congress, not in the Presidency.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 03:52 PM

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice slammed Donald Trump in a statement on Saturday as calls mount for the Republican presidential nominee to leave the race.

"Enough! Donald Trump should not be President," she said in a statement posted to her Facebook page. "He should withdraw. As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth."

Rice served as secretary of state under Republican President George W. Bush.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
kasish said it best today. "I TOLD YOU SO"


I liked John Kasich in all the debates he sounded the best
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/09/16 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
one of them is going to be president whether we like it or not.
this mess could have been solved in the summer simply by denying trump the nomination, and having a true republican candidate, jeb bush could beat Hillary, john kasish could beat Hillary, mark Rubio could beat Hillary, but no, the republicans didn't have the guts to get rid of him. john kasish said it best today. "I TOLD YOU SO"


It's becoming more and more obvious that the Republicans are not interested in national office at this time. They are only interested in holding seats in Congress. They don't seem to care about the Presidency at all.

It should also become obvious to any Obama voter, and I count myself in that group, that most change is going to be initiated in the Congress, not in the Presidency.


alpha.. change can come from the presidency, witness lyndon Johnson's voting rights act he pushed for, caused major change. but today congress is ran by lobbyists now a days known as the 4th branch of government. we need a strong president to stand up to the people and limit the power of lobbyists. the nomination of trump was a grave mistake for the republicans, and they will pay for it for many, many years to come.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/10/16 01:13 AM

General observation.

Trump sounds authentic. Clinton sounds robotic, over rehearsed and disingenuous.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/10/16 01:15 AM

How is Trump rating women from 1-10 and getting into flame wars on Twitter with Miss Universe contestants worse than Hillary bullying and intimidating her husband's rape victims?
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/10/16 01:17 AM

Benghazi
Email scandals
Wikileaks
Clinton Foundations
Vince Foster
Juannita Broadrick
Senate record
Rigged liberal primary
Biased moderators
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/10/16 01:30 AM

It's embarrassing how biased the moderators are towards Hillary.

As Donald said: 1 on 3.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/10/16 07:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
one of them is going to be president whether we like it or not.
this mess could have been solved in the summer simply by denying trump the nomination, and having a true republican candidate, jeb bush could beat Hillary, john kasish could beat Hillary, mark Rubio could beat Hillary, but no, the republicans didn't have the guts to get rid of him. john kasish said it best today. "I TOLD YOU SO"


It's becoming more and more obvious that the Republicans are not interested in national office at this time. They are only interested in holding seats in Congress. They don't seem to care about the Presidency at all.

It should also become obvious to any Obama voter, and I count myself in that group, that most change is going to be initiated in the Congress, not in the Presidency.


alpha.. change can come from the presidency, witness lyndon Johnson's voting rights act he pushed for, caused major change. but today congress is ran by lobbyists now a days known as the 4th branch of government. we need a strong president to stand up to the people and limit the power of lobbyists. the nomination of trump was a grave mistake for the republicans, and they will pay for it for many, many years to come.


Oh yes, there's a reason the executive branch is made up of one. One person gets things done, whereas a group of people often move slowly and are hard to agree with one another. All I meant to say is that if we can't get something through Congress, it's very hard to get done. You can elect one transformational president after the other. It makes no difference. You see, right now, the ideological composition of Congress is not strong enough to produce motion in one direction or another. As an example to illustrate this, it would be a debate with no conclusion as to whether today's Congress could have even passed the legislation signed by past transformational Presidents.

I am not a disappointed voter. I believe we are moving in the right direction on most of this administration's policies (not all). The present President was a big step in that direction. More needs to be done.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/10/16 03:24 PM

[Paul] Ryan (R-Wis.) has publicly and privately grown dismayed by the tone and tenor of Trump's campaign, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of his thinking. And Ryan has reviewed with close advisers whether to abandon the GOP nominee. The discussions occurred after the bombshell video Friday of Trump talking in predatory terms about his sexual exploits, but before the second presidential debate Sunday night.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/10/16 07:43 PM

While I'm not a Republican, I do see a difference between them and the Democrats in that there are some Republicans who are wrestling with their conscience and even breaking ranks and refusing to vote for Trump. We see nothing like this on the Democrat side in regards to Hillary.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/10/16 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
While I'm not a Republican, I do see a difference between them and the Democrats in that there are some Republicans who are wrestling with their conscience and even breaking ranks and refusing to vote for Trump. We see nothing like this on the Democrat side in regards to Hillary.


Lol. False equivalency.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/10/16 11:23 PM

President George H.W. Bush’s granddaughter announced over the weekend that she’s supporting Hillary Clinton. Lauren Bush Lauren posted a photo of the Democratic nominee on her Instagram account on Sunday, captioned #ImWithHer.

Bush Lauren is not the only member of her family to support Clinton. Her grandfather has privately said he plans to vote for the former secretary of State. And George W. Bush’s daughter, Barbara, attended a Clinton fundraiser in Paris last week.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/11/16 05:27 AM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
While I'm not a Republican, I do see a difference between them and the Democrats in that there are some Republicans who are wrestling with their conscience and even breaking ranks and refusing to vote for Trump. We see nothing like this on the Democrat side in regards to Hillary.


Lol. False equivalency.


How so? Clinton is no more worthy of the office than Trump is and has a much longer history of corruption. I, as a conservative, can acknowledge the criticisms about Trump. You and many other liberals can't do the same about Hillary. You're all over Trump with false outrage for this and that while conveniently ignoring the problems with your candidate. And that erases all of your credibility. Basically puts you in the same category as OakAsFan. A political partisan hack.

I should add it's amazing how many liberals, including Hillary herself, are so "outraged" by Trump'simply comments and yet were so quick to defend Bill Clinton's behavior, including arguing it was "nobody's business" and didn't reflect on his ability to be president. What a crock.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/11/16 05:34 PM

As conservative religious voters grapple with how to respond to an audio recording of Donald Trump lewdly boasting about groping women, Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of American evangelicalism, released on Monday a blistering critique of the GOP presidential nominee.

The editorial, written by executive editor Andy Crouch, was accompanied by a subtitle that minced no words: “Evangelicals, of all people, should not be silent about Donald Trump’s blatant immorality.”
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/12/16 07:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
one of them is going to be president whether we like it or not.
this mess could have been solved in the summer simply by denying trump the nomination, and having a true republican candidate, jeb bush could beat Hillary, john kasish could beat Hillary, mark Rubio could beat Hillary, but no, the republicans didn't have the guts to get rid of him. john kasish said it best today. "I TOLD YOU SO"


It's becoming more and more obvious that the Republicans are not interested in national office at this time. They are only interested in holding seats in Congress. They don't seem to care about the Presidency at all.

It should also become obvious to any Obama voter, and I count myself in that group, that most change is going to be initiated in the Congress, not in the Presidency.


alpha.. change can come from the presidency, witness lyndon Johnson's voting rights act he pushed for, caused major change. but today congress is ran by lobbyists now a days known as the 4th branch of government. we need a strong president to stand up to the people and limit the power of lobbyists. the nomination of trump was a grave mistake for the republicans, and they will pay for it for many, many years to come.
Huh? You think LBJ pushed for voting rights for the betterment of anyone but himself and his minions? You wanna champion LBJ I'll take that debate any day of the week. That was a JFK policy before LBJ and LBJ resigned the presidency before 68 when he realized he set the USA back decades with the Vietnam War that JFk was hell bent on avoiding.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/12/16 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
.the rest is based on....when this Trump phase goes away.....politicians want to be able to say that they were on the record as opposing Trump.


99% of my predictions about Trump campaign have been wrong, but looks like this one is true.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/12/16 09:15 PM

Not even a week after the infamous Donald Trump tape went viral comes more evidence of dated yet insulting comments made by the now-GOP candidate — this time on the topic of an Apprentice contestant’s skin, which “sucks,” the TV show boss said in 2010.

A transcript of an episode from the ninth season of The Apprentice, obtained by the Huffington Post, offers more evidence of Trump’s obsession with women’s beauty. In the episode, “Beauty and Brains,” contestants broke into two teams to each give a country music star a makeover, making each star presentable to industry execs. One team was in charge of Emily West, the other handled Luke Bryan. And during boardroom discussions of the results, Trump repeatedly turned the focus to West’s skin.

“I assume you’re gonna leave this off, don’t put this s*** on the show, you know. But her skin, her skin sucks, OK?” he said, according to the transcript of the unaired scene. “I mean her skin, she needs some serious f***in’ dermatology.”
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/13/16 06:35 AM

My passport has been renewed, and I have a plane ticket to Quebec in mid December.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/13/16 07:15 AM

Yet Bill Clinton is one of the greatest Presidents ever right? This is spin by the media at it's worst. So what? Any guy knows, when guys get around each other they talk shit about women. I had a guy at work the other day who is 68, met in the hall the other day, passed by an attractive employee, greeted her with all the respect in the world, referred to her as maam and as soon as she walked away this old black guy that I love and respect said and I quote. "God damn, I'd bull fuck the shit out of that broad" I said I don't blame you, she is a dime. Now this old guy would never sexually assault this woman, it's just talk and his fantasy. No doubt if that girl wanted him to take her, he would try to bull fuck the shit out of her, but he would never harass her or come onto her in an aggressive way. It's just guy talk.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/14/16 06:36 PM

http://news.nationalpost.com/arts/celebr...-the-apprentice

Donald Trump is alleged to have called deaf actress "retarded" without any proof to validate the allegations; media reports on it anyway.

So if I rang the Washington Times newsdesk and said that Hillary Clinton has a swastika tattoo on her ass would they report that?
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/14/16 07:33 PM

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a longtime vocal supporter of Donald Trump, lashed out Thursday that “little Trump is frankly pathetic” as he urged the GOP presidential nominee to stop attacking Republicans. “Look, first of all, let me just say about Trump, who I admire and I’ve tried to help as much as I can. There’s a big Trump and a little Trump,” Gingrich told Fox Business in an interview. “The little Trump is frankly pathetic. I mean, he’s mad over not getting a phone call?” Gingrich said. “Donald Trump has one opponent. Her name is Hillary Clinton. Her name is not Paul Ryan. It’s not anybody else.”
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/14/16 07:39 PM

http://listverse.com/2016/10/14/10-shocking-things-we-learned-from-the-ongoing-wikileaks-dump/

More on the media collusion with Hillary Clinton.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/15/16 02:47 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a longtime vocal supporter of Donald Trump, lashed out Thursday that “little Trump is frankly pathetic” as he urged the GOP presidential nominee to stop attacking Republicans. “Look, first of all, let me just say about Trump, who I admire and I’ve tried to help as much as I can. There’s a big Trump and a little Trump,” Gingrich told Fox Business in an interview. “The little Trump is frankly pathetic. I mean, he’s mad over not getting a phone call?” Gingrich said. “Donald Trump has one opponent. Her name is Hillary Clinton. Her name is not Paul Ryan. It’s not anybody else.”


yes, at last Gingrich may be coming to his senses, and realizing this clown can't win, it took him long enough.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/15/16 05:15 AM

Most of Trump's accusers sound authentic, and based on what we know it certainly fits with his character to grope women. Here's the however: not all of the accusations are real.

Media puta Gloria Allred held a press conference with Huntington Beach resident Summer Zervos, who is suddenly claiming that he "accosted" her in 2007. The fact that Allred is involved is telling in itself considering that she's a known Democratic Party hack and an elector with a history of pulling these "October Surprise" stunts. According to Zervos's cousin and other people who knew her (I used to live in Huntington Beach and am in touch with some of them), she never had a negative thing to say about Trump. Even though was the first one to get fired from The Apprentice during the season she appeared, she said he was kind to her and gave her advise. As recently as April 14, 2016 (THIS YEAR!) she emailed him and asked if he could visit her Huntington Beach restaurant. All of these people who knew her -- including her own cousin -- don't believe her. They believe she became upset when the Trump campaign said he couldn't make it and waited for this opportunity to get even out of spite. I don't know anything about her -- this is what they say. So not only do I not believe her, but it's making me question if his other accusers are being honest or just complaining to help prevent him from getting elected. Some still sound credible to me, but when people pull hoaxes it damages everyone who's telling the truth. It's even worse when Allred gets involved.

Here's the links:
http://www.businessinsider.com/summer-zervos-trump-gloria-allred-2016-10

http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/summer-zer...ser-apprentice/
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/15/16 07:40 AM

there is going to be a lot more coming out, and possibly some more videos, most people will believe the allegations. especially women, why? because that's his m.o. remember he said it himself.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/16/16 03:28 AM

First lady Michelle Obama's speech this week slamming Donald Trump's comments about women was "the most effective political speech since Ronald Reagan," according to right-wing commentator Glenn Beck.

On his TV program Friday, Beck said his viewers should watch Obama's speech to see its "devastating effects. And I don't mean on Donald Trump. I mean on the conservative movement."

(CNN)Donald Trump's campaign announced Saturday that it is cutting ties with the Republican Party chairman in the critical battleground state of Ohio less than a month before the election.

The campaign's Ohio state director, Bob Paduchik, slammed Ohio GOP chairman Matt Borges in a letter Saturday to the state party's central committee for wavering in his support for Trump in a series of recent interviews and announced that Borges "no longer has any affiliation with the Trump-Pence campaign."
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/17/16 11:58 PM

Tonight Anderson Cooper will interview Melania Trump.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/18/16 05:10 AM

looks like trump is preparing to lose, going to cry voter fraud, he's desperate now, but voter fraud is never going to be convincing, once Hillary takes the oath of office trump is gone forever.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/18/16 05:43 AM

Say goodbye to the USA. That lady is going to ruin our country. Fortunately for me, I'm not dirt poor or filthy rich. Nothing changes for the hard working middle class. She cant abide by the guidelines of handling classified material. Lets see what happens if she gets into office. Youtube clinton cash.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/20/16 03:10 AM

makes no difference blue, nothing going to change, no matter who is elected, all of congress is beholden to lobbyists. they sell themselves like whores in the street.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/20/16 05:01 AM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
Say goodbye to the USA. That lady is going to ruin our country. Fortunately for me, I'm not dirt poor or filthy rich. Nothing changes for the hard working middle class. She cant abide by the guidelines of handling classified material. Lets see what happens if she gets into office. Youtube clinton cash.


I'd argue that the middle class has the most to lose. The filthy rich have the least to worry about, because they can protect their wealth and the poor are already poor.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/21/16 12:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
makes no difference blue, nothing going to change, no matter who is elected, all of congress is beholden to lobbyists. they sell themselves like whores in the street.


And Hillary Clinton is beholden to George Soros
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/21/16 03:12 AM

I just cannot understand how people follow her. She cant do anything wrong. I work in a hospital and see a lot of different people. I can count the Hillary supporters on one hand. Never once have I seen a Hillary bumper sticker or lawn sign. At her rallies, it seems as though they are being held in an elementary class, where Trump rallies draw major crowds.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/21/16 04:55 PM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
I just cannot understand how people follow her. She cant do anything wrong. I work in a hospital and see a lot of different people. I can count the Hillary supporters on one hand. Never once have I seen a Hillary bumper sticker or lawn sign. At her rallies, it seems as though they are being held in an elementary class, where Trump rallies draw major crowds.


She's counting on the usual people to put her in office. Social liberals who vote largely on their particular special interest, ie abortion, "gay rights," etc. Minorities who continue to buy the lie that Democrats are looking out for them. The often corrupt unions. As well as just the typical low-info voter who knows nothing beyond whatever the biased left-leaning media spoonfeeds them.

At this point the Democrats and their media supporters have done a real number on Trump's image over the last month. And he hasn't exactly helped himself. But, rather than just seeing him for the buffoon he is, they've made him out to be so bad that many seem to have forgotten the woman he's running against (and I use that term loosely) is considerably worse. Every time I come across somebody who feels they've done something good by not voting for Trump, yet turning right around and planning to vote for Clinton, I want to smack them upside the head.

A review of everything Hillary is about...
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/22/16 02:45 AM

Former Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Michael Steele says he will not vote for Donald Trump, his party's presidential nominee.

“I will not be voting for [Democratic presidential nominee Hillary] Clinton,” Steele told listeners in San Francisco Thursday, as reported by BuzzFeed. “I will not be voting for Trump either,” he added during a ceremony honoring the 40th anniversary of Mother Jones magazine.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/22/16 06:45 AM

ivy...... this is what you wake up to on nov 9th, Hillary clinton president, democratic majority in senate, democratic majority in house, chuck schumer senate majority leader, nancy Pelosi speaker of the house.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/22/16 08:06 AM

I wouldn't wish anyone to have to wake up to that. The blind leading the blind.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/22/16 07:42 PM

lol, but though its horrifying,,,,, it could happen, put the blame on trump, jeb bush could have beat her, so could kasish. reps have to swallow that bitter pill.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/22/16 08:15 PM

What's so great about a Jeb Bush presidency ?
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/22/16 11:22 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
What's so great about a Jeb Bush presidency ?


don't know about what he would be like, just mentioning that he could have beaten Hillary. republicans should have know that.they must put the blame on themselves.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/22/16 11:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
What's so great about a Jeb Bush presidency ?


don't know about what he would be like, just mentioning that he could have beaten Hillary. republicans should have know that.they must put the blame on themselves.


That would've been horrible had another Bush became president. It's bad enough we've got to deal with a 2nd Clinton. At least Trump made it interesting.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/23/16 01:57 AM

Most of America has wondered why, exactly, the Republican nominee for president looks like he ate entirely too many carrots? In fact, Trump has seemingly always given off such an orange hue, though it might be more apparent now given how omnipresent his visage is. Though no one knows for sure what the source is, many makeup artists and tanning experts have a pretty good guess: a bad artificial tanner. "I know exactly what he does to himself - the tanning bed, the spray tan, he wears the goggles and you can see the hyper-pigmentation around his eyes," Jason Kelly, a Cleveland-based makeup artist that was hired to work at 2016's Republican National Convention, told Harper's Bazaar in July.
Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/23/16 09:37 PM

I'd rather vote for a lying witch with a black heart than someone who has Down syndrome and enjoys starting twitter wars.
Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/24/16 01:44 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Remember just a couple of weeks ago they said Hillary Clinton was dying of some cough, and was unfit to be president for health reasons?

She turns out to be fine.

She mops the floor with Trump's orange weave in the debate.

Now they're coming up with all of these crazy scenarios about how the middle east will become unraveled, we'll be in a nuclear war with Russia, and China will take over our economy and convert us to the yen or something.

Desperation, anyone?

Amusing, if nothing else.


She's like the fucking terminator lol. That t-1000 motherfucker.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/24/16 04:51 AM

I think Obama has done more campaigning for her than she has. I'll be seeing Trump later tonight in Tampa. Shes a criminal and jeopardizes our nations security. Lets get behind her.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/25/16 02:57 AM

we better get used to it, Hillary Clinton president.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 10/25/16 05:59 AM

Originally Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto
I'd rather vote for a lying witch with a black heart than someone who has Down syndrome and enjoys starting twitter wars.


As someone who worked with people with developmental disabilities for over 20 years, those with Down's Syndrome would be disgusted to be lumped in with the Orange One.
Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/03/16 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto
I'd rather vote for a lying witch with a black heart than someone who has Down syndrome and enjoys starting twitter wars.


As someone who worked with people with developmental disabilities for over 20 years, those with Down's Syndrome would be disgusted to be lumped in with the Orange One.


You may be right..I probably gave the Dump too much credit.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 03:31 AM

“But, you know, Trump voters—really? Not even the guy who says he wants to f*ck his daughter? This is not a deal-breaker for you? I mean, what does it take? A racist, a liar, a tax cheat, a draft-dodger, a deadbeat, a Russian agent, and a rapist. You know we’re a nuclear power, right? These are red flags.” - Bill Maher
Posted By: carlitosway

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 06:29 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
“But, you know, Trump voters—really? Not even the guy who says he wants to f*ck his daughter? This is not a deal-breaker for you? I mean, what does it take? A racist, a liar, a tax cheat, a draft-dodger, a deadbeat, a Russian agent, and a rapist. You know we’re a nuclear power, right? These are red flags.” - Bill Maher


Not a political guy fellas. I know you guys are really passionate and heated about this debate, but in reality these are the two worst presidential candidates in the history of the United States. We went from a great nation of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan to George W. Bush, Obama, and Hillary or Donald. It's sad honestly and nothing will change whoever is elected. Hillary is a lying shyster and Donald is an egotistical douche. To support Donald is no different than supporting Hillary. Same thing. It's like arguing that your football team at 1-15 isn't as bad as the other team that finished 1-15. America is more divided than ever.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 07:09 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
“But, you know, Trump voters—really? Not even the guy who says he wants to f*ck his daughter? This is not a deal-breaker for you? I mean, what does it take? A racist, a liar, a tax cheat, a draft-dodger, a deadbeat, a Russian agent, and a rapist. You know we’re a nuclear power, right? These are red flags.” - Bill Maher


Typical Maher. Too busy loving the sound of his own voice to see his hypocrisy. Yes, Trump is a buffoon with a ton of red flags. But you know who has even more? Hillary Clinton. Neither deserve the office.

As I mentioned before, at least some Republicans have had a crisis of conscience about Trump. No Democrats, including Maher, have had the same about Clinton. Most of these left wing pricks would be voting for Trump if he was the Democrat nominee. That's what they care about - the (D) after the name. Nothing else.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 07:14 AM

"This is actually too hard to believe that we are this close to having this criminal organization take over the White House because that’s what Clinton Inc. is — a criminal organization,” Giuliani told about 75 people at a campaign stop at the Linn County GOP campaign headquarters in Hiawatha. “This is a cesspool ... beyond Watergate.”

- former prosecutor/NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani



"The Clintons, that's a crime family. It's like organized crime, basically. The Clinton Foundation is a cesspool,' Kallstrom said. 'It's just outrageous how Hillary Clinton sold her office for money. And she's a pathological liar, and she's always been a liar. And God forbid if we put someone like that in the White House.'

- former FBI assistant director James Kallstrom


And these guys would know when it comes to the OC comparisons...
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 07:28 AM

Originally Posted By: carlitosway
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
“But, you know, Trump voters—really? Not even the guy who says he wants to f*ck his daughter? This is not a deal-breaker for you? I mean, what does it take? A racist, a liar, a tax cheat, a draft-dodger, a deadbeat, a Russian agent, and a rapist. You know we’re a nuclear power, right? These are red flags.” - Bill Maher


Not a political guy fellas. I know you guys are really passionate and heated about this debate, but in reality these are the two worst presidential candidates in the history of the United States. We went from a great nation of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan to George W. Bush, Obama, and Hillary or Donald. It's sad honestly and nothing will change whoever is elected. Hillary is a lying shyster and Donald is an egotistical douche. To support Donald is no different than supporting Hillary. Same thing. It's like arguing that your football team at 1-15 isn't as bad as the other team that finished 1-15. America is more divided than ever.


This is just ridiculous.

Donald Trump is hoping for a few thousand people like you in each swing state. It's his only chance. As much as you pretend to be independent, Trump's campaign team couldn't have written that apathetic statement of yours any better. Not bad for someone who's "not a political guy".

Donald Trump has proven himself to be a pervert.

He's proven himself to be an emotional wreck.

At this point, anyone who isn't voting for Clinton is either for Trump, or crazy. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you're a closet Trump supporter, because I don't want to insult you by assuming you really might believe anything you just said.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 07:37 AM

Ivy League, I'm not sure where you've been since 2008, but nobody cares about Rudy Giuliani or what he thinks anymore. Just saying.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 08:10 AM

Lol this election gots the fanatics going nuts..I got called a leftist cuck by some alt righter the other day on another site, simply for criticizing a few people that think Trump is the next Political Messiah. I come on here there's Oak calling somebody a closet Trump support because the guy isn't in support of Hillary.

It just goes to show, that there's certain elements within the hard Right and hard Left that are both authoritarian in nature. They will try to bully you, shame you, insult you, lie about you and smear you if you refuse to bow to their political god. "IF you're not with us, you're against us, you're THE ENEMY." You have a pure EVIL totalitarian mindset.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 05:00 PM

Per the polls, at this point Clinton appears to have 268 Electoral College votes and Trump has 206.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 05:03 PM

This whole thing about both candidates being equally as bad is part of the Trump strategy. They're being used. The Trump campaign is trying to capitalize on this simple minded, lazy apathy. Kind of funny really that people walk around thinking they're independent when they're really playing right into the Trump's hand and campaigning for him without even knowing it. You just can't tell them anything. It's like telling a kid the truth about Santa. You don't want to make them cry. lol.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 05:16 PM

How absurd. Because somebody doesn't buy into your garbage propaganda, they're falling into Trump's strategy? Lol.

You know that's the strategy of every campaign right? You throw out negative shit about your opponent and hope it sticks in the minds of the general public so that at the very least they won't vote for a candidate they may have voted for.

As if Trump is the first candidate with strategies. Who cares. Neither candidate is worth supporting. I do not consent to be ruled by these people. Nothing pisses off the statist more than not participating in their stupid religion.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 05:21 PM

lol. SoCalGangs I read your analogy earlier and it was way off, as usual. If you really didn't care about politics you wouldn't be in the politics thread 24/7. You don't care about politics but you go to Trump's board and get called names there. Too funny. Go ahead, give me another "non political" reply, since you don't care about politics and you're above all of this election stuff. About 380 of your 400 comments are about politics. lol.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 05:34 PM

I didn't go to "Trump's board."

I didn't say that I didn't care about politics.

Here's a better analogy. OakAsFan is running for public office against " crash"

Both candidates happen to be evil. One is a racist troll and the other is psychotic/delusional.

Who should we vote for? Nope I'll pass on both.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 05:44 PM

lol. SoCal these analogies of yours are so far off. Keep trying, though.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 06:02 PM

And it's not that I wouldn't care about the outcome of the election or worry about the terrible things you'd do with your political power. It would be of real concern. I just wouldn't care what strategy you're using to win is. Like I don't care about Clintons strategy or Trump's strategy. Doesn't mean I don't care about politics. Again, I do not consent. You didn't meet the minimum requirements. You're not getting my support. A single vote makes no difference anyway.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 06:17 PM

SoCal, keep making one comment after another trying to convince people you don't care about the election. This is honestly like your hundredth comment saying this. The best way to convince people you don't care about something is to not talk about it. Clearly that's not an option for you. lol.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
This whole thing about both candidates being equally as bad is part of the Trump strategy. They're being used. The Trump campaign is trying to capitalize on this simple minded, lazy apathy. Kind of funny really that people walk around thinking they're independent when they're really playing right into the Trump's hand and campaigning for him without even knowing it. You just can't tell them anything. It's like telling a kid the truth about Santa. You don't want to make them cry. lol.


Sorry, but based on your own words you're too politically ignorant to comment and be taken seriously. You admitted you get most of your news from social media, and that's probably only the social media that you agree with, like Occupy Democrats. Many of these social media groups really are carrying water for the Democratic Party and are used to spread their talking points. Same thing with Politico, CNN, MSNBC, Vox, Buzzfeed, Mic, The Nation, Huffington Post, etc. Moreover, you said you didn't even know who Debbie Wassermann Schultz or Donna Brazile are. I mean, seriously? You're this big Hillary supporter and you don't even know who runs your party? That's what happens when you put yourself in a mental prison and don't allow yourself to read the views of those who don't share your viewpoints.

You like to watch videos? Then check out videos from Sargon of Akkad. He's a British political vlogger who's Labor Party Left and can't stand Hillary because of her corruption, and he points out exactly how in multiple videos. He's not a Trump supporter since he's not American and doesn't live in the U.S. Then after you watch his videos do some homework and look up the documents online and fact check him.

Or you can read something from Occupy Democrats then compare it to an article from National Review, then fact check both of them.

But just stop with the silly argument that because someone doesn't support Killary that he or she supports Chump. They really are both bad. They aren't bad in the same way, but bad in their own unique ways, and neither is qualified to the President.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 06:29 PM

Faithful, your obsession with how I get my news is starting to get creepy. All I told you was that I don't watch cable news anymore. I think it's boring. All of it. I get my information online, utilizing current technology, what a concept. I watch the local news to see if anything crazy happened in my neighborhood. That's as far as my tv news watching goes. And, I have no idea who those two people were you brought up, connected to Clinton or CNN or something. Never heard of them. Don't care.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Faithful, your obsession with how I get my news is starting to get creepy. All I told you was that I don't watch cable news anymore. I think it's boring. All of it. I get my information online, utilizing current technology, what a concept. I watch the local news to see if anything crazy happened in my neighborhood. That's as far as my tv news watching goes. And, I have no idea who those two people were you brought up, connected to Clinton or CNN or something. Never heard of them. Don't care.


Wow, now you play the victim card because I discussed your news sources? You seriously need to grow up.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 06:52 PM

Keep telling people to grow up while having the pro wrestling avatar, Faithful 1. It's a nice touch.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Keep telling people to grow up while having the pro wrestling avatar, Faithful 1. It's a nice touch.


Yes, a wrestler as opposed to your mobster avatar. BTW, that's really creepy how you criticize my Undertaker avatar. I may have to find a safe space.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 07:05 PM

I'm not sure what you're talking about, Faitfhul1. you have this habit of trying to start conversations with me about these cryptic topics. maybe you're mistaking me for someone else. I think in the past you accused me of being a previously banned poster, or something. Whatever the case, it's pretty funny. You're just amusing me. So, do your thing.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 07:29 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Ivy League, I'm not sure where you've been since 2008, but nobody cares about Rudy Giuliani or what he thinks anymore. Just saying.


Typical Oak non-response.


Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
This whole thing about both candidates being equally as bad is part of the Trump strategy. They're being used. The Trump campaign is trying to capitalize on this simple minded, lazy apathy. Kind of funny really that people walk around thinking they're independent when they're really playing right into the Trump's hand and campaigning for him without even knowing it. You just can't tell them anything. It's like telling a kid the truth about Santa. You don't want to make them cry. lol.


Who said they are equally as bad? Its not equal. As bad as Trump is, Hillary is even worse.

But you still won't acknowledge that fact. You don't just think she's the lesser of the two evils, like many amoral liberals, you think she's a good candidate. Heck, you're the fool who asked a while back if "the Clintons had been corrupted."

You are either a troll or truly one of the most clueless posters ever on these boards. You're the exact kind of low intelligence, low info voter Hillary is counting on to win.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/04/16 07:58 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
SoCal, keep making one comment after another trying to convince people you don't care about the election. This is honestly like your hundredth comment saying this. The best way to convince people you don't care about something is to not talk about it. Clearly that's not an option for you. lol.



Wrong again. Never said that "don't care about the election."
In fact I care enough that I cannot in good conscience support the candidates.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/05/16 02:28 AM

fbi,,,, known as trumpland, gulliani said on fox news, 2 days before comey sent his letter, something big is coming "big grin" in a few days, he was told of comeys letter by active fbi agents, and rogue fbi agents are as we speak, trying to sway the election to trump.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/05/16 02:54 AM

They can't undo Trump's behavior. They have until tuesday to find a picture of Hillary twerking for Bin Laden somewhere in those emails. Clock's ticking.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/07/16 12:37 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
They can't undo Trump's behavior. They have until tuesday to find a picture of Hillary twerking for Bin Laden somewhere in those emails. Clock's ticking.


just in sunday the 6th comey found nothing but duplicates, exonerates Hillary, again, question.. why send a letter to congress without going through the e-mails first, now I wonder if there were nothing but a few e-mails, not the 650,0000 fbi claimed, and what exactly was the true purpose of writing congress about nothing.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/07/16 06:06 AM

Why would even the FBI want Trump in there? He's so crazy could anyone trust him to carry out their agenda? I think a lot of these establishment Republicans just can't stand the taste of the Clintons moving back to the white house. Think of all the effort they put into to tarnishing the Clinton name during Lewinksy then after 9/11. The name Clinton was almost synonymous with the name Bin Laden in those few years after 9/11. Not only do the neo cons fall apart, but now the Clintons are poised to waltz right back into the white house? I think these Republicans just can't help themselves. They feel like they have to do whatever they can.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/07/16 06:56 AM

I fear the far right wants him in there so they can with gannon, and gulliani, stack the supreme court with far right zealots, put an end to abortions, roll back voting rights for minorities, suspend parts of the constitution, trump and his people, have no regard or respect for the rule of law, neither does the fbi. a perfect match, fbi now trumps KBG.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/07/16 07:40 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Why would even the FBI want Trump in there? He's so crazy could anyone trust him to carry out their agenda? I think a lot of these establishment Republicans just can't stand the taste of the Clintons moving back to the white house. Think of all the effort they put into to tarnishing the Clinton name during Lewinksy then after 9/11. The name Clinton was almost synonymous with the name Bin Laden in those few years after 9/11. Not only do the neo cons fall apart, but now the Clintons are poised to waltz right back into the white house? I think these Republicans just can't help themselves. They feel like they have to do whatever they can.


The neo cons fall apart? Half of them support Hillary. She's the neo con candidate this election. William Kristol, the main neo con of the conservatives is like the heart of the Never Trump crowd and of course the neo con Bush's.

Trump isn't pro war, pro regime change, pro interventionist enough for them. Hillary is basically Goerge Bush on foreign policy. So of course they like her.

Trump is the nationalist, protectionist, populist candidate. The strongman leader making outrageous promises to people that image he's the answer to all problems in the country.


Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/07/16 07:45 AM

My vote is switching to Hillary. Johnson is too much of an idiot for me. If Trump wins, the United States will cease to exist, and America will be it's official name. I never thought I would agree will a bunch of Mormons (I have agreed with some on topics) but this group actually don't want Trump in the office, and half of them are willing to vote for Hillary (which astonish me, since it is unlike a Mormon to vote for a liar or cheat) cause she is the lesser of two evils. One of them, a war veteran, actually had the same thought as me over the nukes we have and who should have command over them.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/07/16 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
My vote is switching to Hillary. Johnson is too much of an idiot for me. If Trump wins, the United States will cease to exist, and America will be it's official name. I never thought I would agree will a bunch of Mormons (I have agreed with some on topics) but this group actually don't want Trump in the office, and half of them are willing to vote for Hillary (which astonish me, since it is unlike a Mormon to vote for a liar or cheat) cause she is the lesser of two evils. One of them, a war veteran, actually had the same thought as me over the nukes we have and who should have command over them.


As a Mormon, I can assure you nowhere near half of us are voting for Hillary. And most consider her the worst of the two. It's just that many don't like Trump either. A lot will likely vote for McMullin. Many in Utah just may stay home, perhaps assuming the state will go Republican anyway but they don't have to hold their noses and vote for Trump.

By the way, all this talk about "America ceasing to exist" if Trump wins is hyperbolic nonsense. Even Hillary, as awful as she is, won't destroy the country. Like Obama, she'll just damage it a whole lot more and bring it closer to inevitable ruin.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/07/16 05:33 PM

I was not saying that as a whole, only the group 16, I was talking to. 5 said they are voting for Hillary, 6 for McMullen, 1 for Johnson, and 4 said they won't vote. That was just a group I had talked to at a few social gatherings.
Posted By: Mr. Blonde

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/07/16 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
My vote is switching to Hillary. Johnson is too much of an idiot for me. If Trump wins, the United States will cease to exist, and America will be it's official name. I never thought I would agree will a bunch of Mormons (I have agreed with some on topics) but this group actually don't want Trump in the office, and half of them are willing to vote for Hillary (which astonish me, since it is unlike a Mormon to vote for a liar or cheat) cause she is the lesser of two evils. One of them, a war veteran, actually had the same thought as me over the nukes we have and who should have command over them.


As a Mormon, I can assure you nowhere near half of us are voting for Hillary. And most consider her the worst of the two. It's just that many don't like Trump either. A lot will likely vote for McMullin. Many in Utah just may stay home, perhaps assuming the state will go Republican anyway but they don't have to hold their noses and vote for Trump.

By the way, all this talk about "America ceasing to exist" if Trump wins is hyperbolic nonsense. Even Hillary, as awful as she is, won't destroy the country. Like Obama, she'll just damage it a whole lot more and bring it closer to inevitable ruin.


I don't know if you are in Utah but I am curious - how realistic is it for McMullan to actually win Utah? Right now, I think that is the only state that may go third party but have not seen any recent polls from there.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/07/16 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Mr. Blonde
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
My vote is switching to Hillary. Johnson is too much of an idiot for me. If Trump wins, the United States will cease to exist, and America will be it's official name. I never thought I would agree will a bunch of Mormons (I have agreed with some on topics) but this group actually don't want Trump in the office, and half of them are willing to vote for Hillary (which astonish me, since it is unlike a Mormon to vote for a liar or cheat) cause she is the lesser of two evils. One of them, a war veteran, actually had the same thought as me over the nukes we have and who should have command over them.


As a Mormon, I can assure you nowhere near half of us are voting for Hillary. And most consider her the worst of the two. It's just that many don't like Trump either. A lot will likely vote for McMullin. Many in Utah just may stay home, perhaps assuming the state will go Republican anyway but they don't have to hold their noses and vote for Trump.

By the way, all this talk about "America ceasing to exist" if Trump wins is hyperbolic nonsense. Even Hillary, as awful as she is, won't destroy the country. Like Obama, she'll just damage it a whole lot more and bring it closer to inevitable ruin.


I don't know if you are in Utah but I am curious - how realistic is it for McMullan to actually win Utah? Right now, I think that is the only state that may go third party but have not seen any recent polls from there.


Yes, I live in Utah. Mormons still make up at least 60% of the state. I imagine we'll see a lot of them vote for McMullin, a lesser amount vote for Trump, and a small minority vote for Hillary. But as much as I'd like to see Utah go for McMullin, if only to send a message, you also have to figure in the non-Mormon votes in the state. Among those, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were roughly divided between Trump and Hillary. So which way the state will go as a whole is hard to predict. Obviously a lot depends on whether people decide to vote or just stay home.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/07/16 07:25 PM

Utah's in play. Get 'em, Hill.
Posted By: Mr. Blonde

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/07/16 11:02 PM

It's not gonna happen this time but I find it fascinating that a candidate could win one state and if that deprives all others of reaching 270 electoral votes, that the House could put that one-state winner into the White House. (House gets to choose from among the top three electoral vote winners). A Republican house that largely abhors Trump just might have done it.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/08/16 02:36 AM

I'm going with Larry Sabato's Electoral College prediction: Clinton 322 and Trump 216.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/08/16 06:50 AM

Mr. Blonde, I heard a radio host breaking down that process today. If I heard him correctly, it also involves electing the vice president aside from the president, so there could be a pres and VP of different parties. Clinton and Pence could work. Trump and Kaine would be like a horrible SNL skit.
Posted By: carlitosway

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/08/16 07:33 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: carlitosway
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
“But, you know, Trump voters—really? Not even the guy who says he wants to f*ck his daughter? This is not a deal-breaker for you? I mean, what does it take? A racist, a liar, a tax cheat, a draft-dodger, a deadbeat, a Russian agent, and a rapist. You know we’re a nuclear power, right? These are red flags.” - Bill Maher


Not a political guy fellas. I know you guys are really passionate and heated about this debate, but in reality these are the two worst presidential candidates in the history of the United States. We went from a great nation of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan to George W. Bush, Obama, and Hillary or Donald. It's sad honestly and nothing will change whoever is elected. Hillary is a lying shyster and Donald is an egotistical douche. To support Donald is no different than supporting Hillary. Same thing. It's like arguing that your football team at 1-15 isn't as bad as the other team that finished 1-15. America is more divided than ever.


This is just ridiculous.

Donald Trump is hoping for a few thousand people like you in each swing state. It's his only chance. As much as you pretend to be independent, Trump's campaign team couldn't have written that apathetic statement of yours any better. Not bad for someone who's "not a political guy".

Donald Trump has proven himself to be a pervert.

He's proven himself to be an emotional wreck.

At this point, anyone who isn't voting for Clinton is either for Trump, or crazy. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you're a closet Trump supporter, because I don't want to insult you by assuming you really might believe anything you just said.
I am not voting for anybody. Most Hillary supporters are just as bad as Trump supporters, they just fail to see the perspective from the other side. I am an independent thinker. Nothing much will change whoever is elected. I didn't like George W. Bush nor Obama. As we can see Bush lied and got us into Iraq, Obama lied about "Change we can believe in". Maybe it wasn't a lie, but the only change I have seen is for the worst. I have noticed that Hillary supporters are way more aggressive and quick with insults after I tell them my stance of not voting for her, yet not voting for Trump either. Johnson isn't qualified nor is Jill Stein so I will not vote. I don't know why they are that way, but I will tell you that leaning voters will lean toward Trump when treated with the vitriol that Hillary supporters cast on people. I, myself, do not sway so easily to insults and will stand firm on my stance of not voting for either candidate. They both have so many bad qualities and are so unfit to lead this country I can not morally vote for either candidate. I'll take the high road and pray for the country, work hard, and continue to live a legal lifestyle with a strong moral confidence and hope for the best.
Posted By: carlitosway

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/08/16 07:49 AM

Last I will say on this subject. If you want to vote for Hillary, it is your right to do so. God speed and good luck. If you want to vote for Trump, it is your right to do so. God speed and good luck. And if another person doesn't want to vote for your candidate, don't call them stupid and uninformed. It is our right as American Citizens to be just as stupid as the rest of youse!
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/08/16 07:28 PM

Originally Posted By: carlitosway
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: carlitosway
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
“But, you know, Trump voters—really? Not even the guy who says he wants to f*ck his daughter? This is not a deal-breaker for you? I mean, what does it take? A racist, a liar, a tax cheat, a draft-dodger, a deadbeat, a Russian agent, and a rapist. You know we’re a nuclear power, right? These are red flags.” - Bill Maher


Not a political guy fellas. I know you guys are really passionate and heated about this debate, but in reality these are the two worst presidential candidates in the history of the United States. We went from a great nation of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan to George W. Bush, Obama, and Hillary or Donald. It's sad honestly and nothing will change whoever is elected. Hillary is a lying shyster and Donald is an egotistical douche. To support Donald is no different than supporting Hillary. Same thing. It's like arguing that your football team at 1-15 isn't as bad as the other team that finished 1-15. America is more divided than ever.


This is just ridiculous.

Donald Trump is hoping for a few thousand people like you in each swing state. It's his only chance. As much as you pretend to be independent, Trump's campaign team couldn't have written that apathetic statement of yours any better. Not bad for someone who's "not a political guy".

Donald Trump has proven himself to be a pervert.

He's proven himself to be an emotional wreck.

At this point, anyone who isn't voting for Clinton is either for Trump, or crazy. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you're a closet Trump supporter, because I don't want to insult you by assuming you really might believe anything you just said.
I am not voting for anybody. Most Hillary supporters are just as bad as Trump supporters, they just fail to see the perspective from the other side. I am an independent thinker. Nothing much will change whoever is elected. I didn't like George W. Bush nor Obama. As we can see Bush lied and got us into Iraq, Obama lied about "Change we can believe in". Maybe it wasn't a lie, but the only change I have seen is for the worst. I have noticed that Hillary supporters are way more aggressive and quick with insults after I tell them my stance of not voting for her, yet not voting for Trump either. Johnson isn't qualified nor is Jill Stein so I will not vote. I don't know why they are that way, but I will tell you that leaning voters will lean toward Trump when treated with the vitriol that Hillary supporters cast on people. I, myself, do not sway so easily to insults and will stand firm on my stance of not voting for either candidate. They both have so many bad qualities and are so unfit to lead this country I can not morally vote for either candidate. I'll take the high road and pray for the country, work hard, and continue to live a legal lifestyle with a strong moral confidence and hope for the best.


Yeah, went to the courthouse and there were a few Hillary supporters that could mingle into the Trump supporters and you would not tell the difference until they said who they were voting for. If William instead of Johnson was running or president in the Libertarian party, I would have voted. The thing that gets me the most, is people who don't vote, then complain about the elected presidents.
Posted By: Mr. Blonde

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/08/16 09:12 PM

Originally Posted By: carlitosway
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: carlitosway
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
“But, you know, Trump voters—really? Not even the guy who says he wants to f*ck his daughter? This is not a deal-breaker for you? I mean, what does it take? A racist, a liar, a tax cheat, a draft-dodger, a deadbeat, a Russian agent, and a rapist. You know we’re a nuclear power, right? These are red flags.” - Bill Maher


Not a political guy fellas. I know you guys are really passionate and heated about this debate, but in reality these are the two worst presidential candidates in the history of the United States. We went from a great nation of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan to George W. Bush, Obama, and Hillary or Donald. It's sad honestly and nothing will change whoever is elected. Hillary is a lying shyster and Donald is an egotistical douche. To support Donald is no different than supporting Hillary. Same thing. It's like arguing that your football team at 1-15 isn't as bad as the other team that finished 1-15. America is more divided than ever.


This is just ridiculous.

Donald Trump is hoping for a few thousand people like you in each swing state. It's his only chance. As much as you pretend to be independent, Trump's campaign team couldn't have written that apathetic statement of yours any better. Not bad for someone who's "not a political guy".

Donald Trump has proven himself to be a pervert.

He's proven himself to be an emotional wreck.

At this point, anyone who isn't voting for Clinton is either for Trump, or crazy. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you're a closet Trump supporter, because I don't want to insult you by assuming you really might believe anything you just said.
I am not voting for anybody. Most Hillary supporters are just as bad as Trump supporters, they just fail to see the perspective from the other side. I am an independent thinker. Nothing much will change whoever is elected. I didn't like George W. Bush nor Obama. As we can see Bush lied and got us into Iraq, Obama lied about "Change we can believe in". Maybe it wasn't a lie, but the only change I have seen is for the worst. I have noticed that Hillary supporters are way more aggressive and quick with insults after I tell them my stance of not voting for her, yet not voting for Trump either. Johnson isn't qualified nor is Jill Stein so I will not vote. I don't know why they are that way, but I will tell you that leaning voters will lean toward Trump when treated with the vitriol that Hillary supporters cast on people. I, myself, do not sway so easily to insults and will stand firm on my stance of not voting for either candidate. They both have so many bad qualities and are so unfit to lead this country I can not morally vote for either candidate. I'll take the high road and pray for the country, work hard, and continue to live a legal lifestyle with a strong moral confidence and hope for the best.


I've done this before - purposely leaving a ballot spot blank because I couldn't support either/any listed candidate. I still voted in the other races. Didn't do that today but I get it.
Posted By: Mr. Blonde

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/08/16 11:40 PM

For what it's worth, Robert DeNiro is endorsing Clinton

http://sportingz.com/opinions/who-are-celebs-voting-for/35/
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 12:40 AM



I understand why some would not vote for Johnson, but knowing he won't win and with these candidates why not? For only my third presidential election, I proudly voted 3rd party and convinced 4 people to do the same.

Edit: 5 my mom voted Jill Stein
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 03:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Mr. Blonde
For what it's worth, Robert DeNiro is endorsing Clinton

http://sportingz.com/opinions/who-are-celebs-voting-for/35/


DeNiro as an actor aside, if you go on YouTube out can see a rant he did about Trump. Much of it absolutely true. But not a peep about all that's wrong with Clinton. Typical Hollywood lefty.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 04:37 AM

well trump won. unbelievable........ but, the people have spoken.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 04:55 AM

Binnie this is crazy, the people wanted something different

[Edit]

@ 12:03 EST Thus far
Posted By: RollinBones

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 05:17 AM

this has been some wild shit to watch man
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 05:45 AM

It's not over, but Nate Silver at Fivethirtyeight currently gives Trump a 77% to Clinton 21% chance of winning (the difference is for a tie). I am totally surprised. If Trump pulls it off someone check Oak's vitals.
Posted By: carlitosway

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:15 AM

One of the most exciting elections I have ever witnessed. Whoever pulls it off Congratulations.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
It's not over, but Nate Silver at Fivethirtyeight currently gives Trump a 77% to Clinton 21% chance of winning (the difference is for a tie). I am totally surprised. If Trump pulls it off someone check Oak's vitals.


Or at least put him on suicide watch.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:42 AM

Guess you were all very wrong

What did I say guys don't listen to those fucking polls said the same for Brexit got it completely wrong

I am still very surprised did think Clinton would win will be an interesting 4 years
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:54 AM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
Binnie this is crazy, the people wanted something different

[Edit]

@ 12:03 EST Thus far


yes, dude, what will happen now, no one knows, but it could be bad.
Posted By: carlitosway

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 07:32 AM

Didn't vote, but I expect the spoiled celebrities that said they would leave the country if Trump won to live up to their word. With that said, Goodbye Miley Cyrus, Whoopi Goldberg, Barbara Streisand, Samuel Jackson(who I like a lot). Goodbye Lena Dunham and Neve Campbell. Freeze your ass off in Canada. Goodbye and Good Riddance.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 07:37 AM

Originally Posted By: carlitosway
Didn't vote, but I expect the spoiled celebrities that said they would leave the country if Trump won to live up to their word. With that said, Goodbye Miley Cyrus, Whoopi Goldberg, Barbara Streisand, Samuel Jackson(who I like a lot). Goodbye Lena Dunham and Neve Campbell. Freeze your ass off in Canada. Goodbye and Good Riddance.


Many of them said the same thing with Bush back in 2004. Of course none of them ever actually leave.
Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 07:46 AM

Did I wake up in The Twilight Zone?? WTF
Posted By: carlitosway

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 07:49 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: carlitosway
Didn't vote, but I expect the spoiled celebrities that said they would leave the country if Trump won to live up to their word. With that said, Goodbye Miley Cyrus, Whoopi Goldberg, Barbara Streisand, Samuel Jackson(who I like a lot). Goodbye Lena Dunham and Neve Campbell. Freeze your ass off in Canada. Goodbye and Good Riddance.


Many of them said the same thing with Bush back in 2004. Of course none of them ever actually leave.

Doesn't surprise me. I hate celebrities.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 07:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
well trump won. unbelievable........ but, the people have spoken.


Binnie, what would have surprised me was seeing greedy little Hillary sitting in the Oval Office with a smirk on her face.

This development doesn't surprise me at all.

Did I vote for Trump? No, neither candidate. But I was confident he'd win.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 08:07 AM

America will be great again! Where is Oak?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 08:12 AM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
America will be great again! Where is Oak?


On a ledge somewhere...
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 08:16 AM

Hopefully this teaches people a lesson about listening to conventional wisdom and the so called experts. Hopefully this nails in the coffin on the dying mainstream media and all the gatekeepers of approved opinion. Like I've said, I don't believe in Trump or his policies, but it's still beautiful to watch the evil witch Hillary go down. The media with all its bias and it's stupid polls, couldn't sway the election enough. And that in of itself is a nice thing to see.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 08:21 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
It's not over, but Nate Silver at Fivethirtyeight currently gives Trump a 77% to Clinton 21% chance of winning (the difference is for a tie). I am totally surprised. If Trump pulls it off someone check Oak's vitals.


Or at least put him on suicide watch.


Someone needs to collect up all his quotes about the inevitable Hillary Clinton win and post them right here.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 08:26 AM

Lmfao. I'm so glad this happened tonight. Work is flying by. I was helping another nurse clean a patient with my back turned to the television and fix news said Trump was president. I thought it was speculation. Im glad I was wrong. The patient was on a vent. I hope they weren't a Hillary fan. Lol
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 08:27 AM

I told you he was going to win. Plus he won big.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 08:42 AM

She couldn't even come out and thank her supporters. Thats horrible. And people stood behind that kind of person. They are owed a great thanks to propel her where she ended up.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 11:47 AM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
She couldn't even come out and thank her supporters. Thats horrible. And people stood behind that kind of person. They are owed a great thanks to propel her where she ended up.


It's just making it worse for her....but it's also a glaring example of why she lost.
Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 01:28 PM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
She couldn't even come out and thank her supporters. Thats horrible. And people stood behind that kind of person. They are owed a great thanks to propel her where she ended up.


That was bad manners and bad sportsmanship, without a doubt..
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 01:39 PM

Originally Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted By: blueracing347
She couldn't even come out and thank her supporters. Thats horrible. And people stood behind that kind of person. They are owed a great thanks to propel her where she ended up.


That was bad manners and bad sportsmanship, without a doubt..


What I want to know is did she appear last night at the Javits Center...at all. If she left them all hanging and never appeared that's very rude and not fair to her supporters.

Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 03:08 PM

I agree she was very rude to not address her supporters.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 03:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
Binnie this is crazy, the people wanted something different

[Edit]

@ 12:03 EST Thus far


yes, dude, what will happen now, no one knows, but it could be bad.


Or it could be good.

Truth be told, I never expected this to happen. Because of all the support for Hillary from the president and the first lady, other major politicians, wall street, musicians and movie stars not to mention the corporate media, I thought it was impossible for her to lose. The whole system turned in full force against Trump. A miracle has happened indeed. I think that Trump's controversial stance and behaviour during this election was purely strategic and I expect him to be much more moderate and conciliatory. I think he might suprise a lot of people.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 03:49 PM

Also, is oakasfan now gonna pack his bags?
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
She couldn't even come out and thank her supporters. Thats horrible. And people stood behind that kind of person. They are owed a great thanks to propel her where she ended up.


She showed her true face because she never cared for them at all.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 04:24 PM

Donald "Little Hands" Trump has won the presidency. Clinton did not show her face or come out to thank her supporters, what a [BadWord]. My trip to Canada in December is still on.
President Trump, is not in office yet, what scares me the most is Mike Pence as VP, more so then Joe Biden being VP.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 04:54 PM

The question remains, when will they lock her up for money laundering and getting rich from a charitable foundation?
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Ciment
The question remains, when will they lock her up for money laundering and getting rich from a charitable foundation?


They won't, the case is weak, and if any valuable evidence surfaces, it will only disappear. Money talks and the Clintons have a lot of it, more then most people know. That is something that hurt Clinton in this election.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 05:55 PM

First the Chicago Cubs win the World Series..and now Donald J. Trump is elected president.

Wow....EVERY prediction I made about this election turned out wrong.


Cotton vs Booker in 2020!!!
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:25 PM

Clinton gave a very classy speech to her supporters this morning at about 11:30 Eastern time.
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:30 PM

No, the thing that hurt Hilary is the same thing that happens in every reallity show on every chanel in the world. they owerdid it, the endorsements the support for Hillary the negative talk of trump, the singers the actors all against trump. they made a fighting underdog out of this guy, thats the truth. One thing people like are underdogs,understand.
America is not gonna come to an end because of trump, thats a stupid point. it didint come to an end after Reagen ronald it wont now. Its all interest groups who are above trump and any president, so the end of us is not near.
By the looks of it women in america are behind blacks.LOL even an ex muslim, immigrant father can be a president not a women..thats low girls lol
Why would she win, why? Because she promised to all the little girls out there, or because she is a women? That female chauvinism, thats wrong just as much, evan more. Just like some blacks say that a black mman cant be a rascist.why?? That are idiotic points and stupid, etc..

She got what she deserves, and Trump is the way to go. Not the frigid bitch.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Clinton gave a very classy speech to her supporters this morning at about 11:30 Eastern time.


It might have seemed dignified, but she still used the moment to complain about a "glass ceiling ". She basically told all of those young women that us guys hate them because of their genitalia. That's despicable and tears society apart. She earned her loss.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:30 PM

Of course, now we will have a First Lady who posed nude in a magazine. Think about it. Eleanor Roosevelt, Jackie Kennedy, Pat Nixon, Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush, Laura Bush, and Michelle Obama; now, naked Melania Trump.

What has America come to!
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:40 PM

Better to have a president with a wife with pics in playboy, than a president whos husbend bombed the shit out of kosovo,serbia and belgrade, and the all other countries.

The Clintons are the most blood thirsty band of thieves the late twenieth century ever saw.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Of course, now we will have a First Lady who posed nude in a magazine. Think about it. Eleanor Roosevelt, Jackie Kennedy, Pat Nixon, Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush, Laura Bush, and Michelle Obama; now, naked Melania Trump.

What has America come to!


Believe it or not I think that's better than having Bill Clinton emasculated by becoming Hillarys "First Gentleman".

How stupid and disrespectful to a former president is that?
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:46 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37922959

bbcs view on why clinton lost the election dont have to agree with all of it but does state some good points interesting view on why she lost
Posted By: carlitosway

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 06:54 PM

What Clinton supporters, celebrities, media, and pundits failed to recognize, what they overlooked and counted out was the blue collar working man. We are sick of having BLM and all this LGBT shit shoved down our throat and revolted. Merica.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: alexandarns
No, the thing that hurt Hilary is the same thing that happens in every reallity show on every chanel in the world. they owerdid it, the endorsements the support for Hillary the negative talk of trump, the singers the actors all against trump. they made a fighting underdog out of this guy, thats the truth. One thing people like are underdogs,understand.
America is not gonna come to an end because of trump, thats a stupid point. it didint come to an end after Reagen ronald it wont now. Its all interest groups who are above trump and any president, so the end of us is not near.
By the looks of it women in america are behind blacks.LOL even an ex muslim, immigrant father can be a president not a women..thats low girls lol
Why would she win, why? Because she promised to all the little girls out there, or because she is a women? That female chauvinism, thats wrong just as much, evan more. Just like some blacks say that a black mman cant be a rascist.why?? That are idiotic points and stupid, etc..

She got what she deserves, and Trump is the way to go. Not the frigid bitch.


Yup. They went way overboard. People don't like being oversold on anything. All these dumb celebrities coming out just backfired. Everyone doesn't like opinions and official narratives shoved down their throats. Hillary generated ZERO excitement. People voted for her by default. Compare her with Obama who had a whole lot of excitement, and made people believe in real change and gave people hope. What did Hillary look like to people? Corrupt, power hungry, elitist and above the law. Offering up nothing but the status quo.
I even started to believe the polls. I made peace with whatever the outcome would be but this is an amazing thing to witness.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 08:22 PM

Let me tell you something about hope. Hope and the right bus fare gets you on the bus. Hope does not help you. He gave people hope because hope is worthless.

Give a person a job or training for a job and keep your hope.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 08:32 PM

I agree. I hate the dumb slogans about hope and change and all but from a campaign marketing perspective, it worked for Obama plus everyone was tired of Bush and he was seen as change. Hillary didn't make people believe she would bring changes for the better.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 10:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I fear the far right wants him in there so they can with gannon, and gulliani, stack the supreme court with far right zealots, put an end to abortions, roll back voting rights for minorities, suspend parts of the constitution, trump and his people, have no regard or respect for the rule of law, neither does the fbi. a perfect match, fbi now trumps KBG.


Trump wasn't just supported by the Far Right. There were also Democrats who were disaffected Obama and Bernie supporters who voted for him too. He was supported by establishment GOP leaders. He was supported to struggling members of the working class. He was also supported by those who saw the Clintons as extremely corrupt and not deserving of another chance to be in the White House. (I didn't vote for him or her.)

It also appears that you're just repeating talking points. Based on what he's said, he wants to put Constitutionalists in the Supreme Court, not "far right zealots." Even if they overturned Roe v Wade, it wouldn't ban abortion but send it back to the states. It would de-federalize it, although it could be argued that abortion is cruel and unusual punishment and therefore unconstitutional.

This "roll back voting rights for minorities, suspend parts of the constitution" is a straw man. There's nothing he's said that involves rolling back voting rights for minorities, and showing ID is not "harming minorities." I just find it ridiculous, insulting and even racist to assert that African Americans are too lazy, stupid and ignorant to get some sort of personal identification. ID is required to open a bank account, to buy property, to enter a movie theater if you look too young, to purchase alcohol, to board a plane, etc. "Minorities" all over the world show ID to vote, from Nigeria to Iraq to India and plenty of other places. To claim that showing ID is the equivalent of a poll tax or a literacy test is another example of the lies of Hillary and her supporters. An ID requirement is for everyone, irregardless of skin color. The Democrat-supported literacy tests were only given to people of color, and they weren't easy to pass. If you want to see a real literacy test, see here: http://www.crmvet.org/info/lithome.htm

If you want to talk about suspending parts of the Constitution, that's exactly what Hillary wanted to do. She wanted to step all over the 1st and 2nd amendments. She wanted to reduce what is federally protected free speech and curb gun rights. She also wanted to reduce religious freedom. Hillary Clinton was no hero of the Constitution.

Trump isn't who I wanted on the Oval Office, but he's not the incarnation of Satan that you make him out to be.

Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 10:50 PM

Originally Posted By: carlitosway
What Clinton supporters, celebrities, media, and pundits failed to recognize, what they overlooked and counted out was the blue collar working man. We are sick of having BLM and all this LGBT shit shoved down our throat and revolted. Merica.


Well said. We changed America last night.
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/09/16 11:39 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Originally Posted By: alexandarns
No, the thing that hurt Hilary is the same thing that happens in every reallity show on every chanel in the world. they owerdid it, the endorsements the support for Hillary the negative talk of trump, the singers the actors all against trump. they made a fighting underdog out of this guy, thats the truth. One thing people like are underdogs,understand.
America is not gonna come to an end because of trump, thats a stupid point. it didint come to an end after Reagen ronald it wont now. Its all interest groups who are above trump and any president, so the end of us is not near.
By the looks of it women in america are behind blacks.LOL even an ex muslim, immigrant father can be a president not a women..thats low girls lol
Why would she win, why? Because she promised to all the little girls out there, or because she is a women? That female chauvinism, thats wrong just as much, evan more. Just like some blacks say that a black mman cant be a rascist.why?? That are idiotic points and stupid, etc..

She got what she deserves, and Trump is the way to go. Not the frigid bitch.


Yup. They went way overboard. People don't like being oversold on anything. All these dumb celebrities coming out just backfired. Everyone doesn't like opinions and official narratives shoved down their throats. Hillary generated ZERO excitement. People voted for her by default. Compare her with Obama who had a whole lot of excitement, and made people believe in real change and gave people hope. What did Hillary look like to people? Corrupt, power hungry, elitist and above the law. Offering up nothing but the status quo.
I even started to believe the polls. I made peace with whatever the outcome would be but this is an amazing thing to witness.


yes your right, plus all the stars, singers, actors wont make a jobless person vote for you. it aint E!.. Overcocky actors, now they can leave the country.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/10/16 01:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
well trump won. unbelievable........ but, the people have spoken.


Binnie, what would have surprised me was seeing greedy little Hillary sitting in the Oval Office with a smirk on her face.

This development doesn't surprise me at all.

Did I vote for Trump? No, neither candidate. But I was confident he'd win.


yes, alfa she had a ton of baggage, and the wiki leaks destroyed her all the more, but the coup d grau was of course, jim Toomey and the fbi, she was cruising along until the fbi entered the picture, check her numbers before toomeys letter, and after tomeys letter, the fbi put trump in the white house. grossly unfair.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/10/16 01:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I fear the far right wants him in there so they can with gannon, and gulliani, stack the supreme court with far right zealots, put an end to abortions, roll back voting rights for minorities, suspend parts of the constitution, trump and his people, have no regard or respect for the rule of law, neither does the fbi. a perfect match, fbi now trumps KBG.


Trump wasn't just supported by the Far Right. There were also Democrats who were disaffected Obama and Bernie supporters who voted for him too. He was supported by establishment GOP leaders. He was supported to struggling members of the working class. He was also supported by those who saw the Clintons as extremely corrupt and not deserving of another chance to be in the White House. (I didn't vote for him or her.)

It also appears that you're just repeating talking points. Based on what he's said, he wants to put Constitutionalists in the Supreme Court, not "far right zealots." Even if they overturned Roe v Wade, it wouldn't ban abortion but send it back to the states. It would de-federalize it, although it could be argued that abortion is cruel and unusual punishment and therefore unconstitutional.

This "roll back voting rights for minorities, suspend parts of the constitution" is a straw man. There's nothing he's said that involves rolling back voting rights for minorities, and showing ID is not "harming minorities." I just find it ridiculous, insulting and even racist to assert that African Americans are too lazy, stupid and ignorant to get some sort of personal identification. ID is required to open a bank account, to buy property, to enter a movie theater if you look too young, to purchase alcohol, to board a plane, etc. "Minorities" all over the world show ID to vote, from Nigeria to Iraq to India and plenty of other places. To claim that showing ID is the equivalent of a poll tax or a literacy test is another example of the lies of Hillary and her supporters. An ID requirement is for everyone, irregardless of skin color. The Democrat-supported literacy tests were only given to people of color, and they weren't easy to pass. If you want to see a real literacy test, see here: http://www.crmvet.org/info/lithome.htm

If you want to talk about suspending parts of the Constitution, that's exactly what Hillary wanted to do. She wanted to step all over the 1st and 2nd amendments. She wanted to reduce what is federally protected free speech and curb gun rights. She also wanted to reduce religious freedom. Hillary Clinton was no hero of the Constitution.

Trump isn't who I wanted on the Oval Office, but he's not the incarnation of Satan that you make him out to be.



I'm not against photo id for voting, I have to show my id whenever I vote even for a school bond, a voter has to be registered. I was merely referring to his ungodly rhetoric while he was on the campaign trail. banning all muslims, not keeping the nato alliance, saying he is smarter than the generals, etc, I certainly hope he is a good president, leaving social security alone, leaving medicare alone, abolishing Obamacare would be good. but, I'm a senior, dependent on entitlements that I have paid into for over 6o yrs. and I need my ss and medicare.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/10/16 01:28 AM

Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
Originally Posted By: carlitosway
What Clinton supporters, celebrities, media, and pundits failed to recognize, what they overlooked and counted out was the blue collar working man. We are sick of having BLM and all this LGBT shit shoved down our throat and revolted. Merica.


Well said. We changed America last night.


you are right about having laws shoved down our throat, especially same sex marriage, which revolts me,immigration laws that no one is told about, all of a sudden 30 miles from where I live it looks like mexico, no American signs, no American flags, it was scary, ITS MY COUNTRY !! and the biggest thing to me was a few yrs ago before I retired I went to the unemployment office, and wanted to fill out an application, I was told by the clerk "the job is for minorities only" I was outraged !! I understand the trump vote,
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/10/16 02:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I fear the far right wants him in there so they can with gannon, and gulliani, stack the supreme court with far right zealots, put an end to abortions, roll back voting rights for minorities, suspend parts of the constitution, trump and his people, have no regard or respect for the rule of law, neither does the fbi. a perfect match, fbi now trumps KBG.


Trump wasn't just supported by the Far Right. There were also Democrats who were disaffected Obama and Bernie supporters who voted for him too. He was supported by establishment GOP leaders. He was supported to struggling members of the working class. He was also supported by those who saw the Clintons as extremely corrupt and not deserving of another chance to be in the White House. (I didn't vote for him or her.)

It also appears that you're just repeating talking points. Based on what he's said, he wants to put Constitutionalists in the Supreme Court, not "far right zealots." Even if they overturned Roe v Wade, it wouldn't ban abortion but send it back to the states. It would de-federalize it, although it could be argued that abortion is cruel and unusual punishment and therefore unconstitutional.

This "roll back voting rights for minorities, suspend parts of the constitution" is a straw man. There's nothing he's said that involves rolling back voting rights for minorities, and showing ID is not "harming minorities." I just find it ridiculous, insulting and even racist to assert that African Americans are too lazy, stupid and ignorant to get some sort of personal identification. ID is required to open a bank account, to buy property, to enter a movie theater if you look too young, to purchase alcohol, to board a plane, etc. "Minorities" all over the world show ID to vote, from Nigeria to Iraq to India and plenty of other places. To claim that showing ID is the equivalent of a poll tax or a literacy test is another example of the lies of Hillary and her supporters. An ID requirement is for everyone, irregardless of skin color. The Democrat-supported literacy tests were only given to people of color, and they weren't easy to pass. If you want to see a real literacy test, see here: http://www.crmvet.org/info/lithome.htm

If you want to talk about suspending parts of the Constitution, that's exactly what Hillary wanted to do. She wanted to step all over the 1st and 2nd amendments. She wanted to reduce what is federally protected free speech and curb gun rights. She also wanted to reduce religious freedom. Hillary Clinton was no hero of the Constitution.

Trump isn't who I wanted on the Oval Office, but he's not the incarnation of Satan that you make him out to be.



Though I shouldn't be, I'm shocked at just how many on the left actually believe those talking points. No wonder they think Trump is Satan himself.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/10/16 03:41 AM

Incidentally, wherever you are Oaks, don't do it. You have so much to live for!
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/10/16 03:57 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Ivy, are you going to watch Hillary's inauguration? I bet Fleetwood Mac performs Don't Stop. Going to be a party. Trump will probably be there. lol. In the audience, of course.


Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The only issue my candidate has is who she's going to invite to the inauguration.



Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Oh, I already know Hillary's going to win, too. I'm just posting the poll results because they're topical.

Thread title: "What if Trump Wins the Presidency?"


Where you at oak
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/10/16 05:23 AM

Oak, it's not bad. I voted for slick willy's wife, but I am still posting. Trump won't have an effect on the economy until 2018.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/10/16 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll


I'm not against photo id for voting, I have to show my id whenever I vote even for a school bond, a voter has to be registered. I was merely referring to his ungodly rhetoric while he was on the campaign trail. banning all muslims, not keeping the nato alliance, saying he is smarter than the generals, etc, I certainly hope he is a good president, leaving social security alone, leaving medicare alone, abolishing Obamacare would be good. but, I'm a senior, dependent on entitlements that I have paid into for over 6o yrs. and I need my ss and medicare.

you are right about having laws shoved down our throat, especially same sex marriage, which revolts me,immigration laws that no one is told about, all of a sudden 30 miles from where I live it looks like mexico, no American signs, no American flags, it was scary, ITS MY COUNTRY !! and the biggest thing to me was a few yrs ago before I retired I went to the unemployment office, and wanted to fill out an application, I was told by the clerk "the job is for minorities only" I was outraged !! I understand the trump vote,



I totally agree with you on his rhetoric. It was a big reason for me not to vote for him. On the other stuff, you sound like several Trump voters I know. It's funny how you did a 180 on Trump from your previous post LOL.

On Social Security, you're probably safe. It just won't be there for future generations.
Posted By: carlitosway

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/10/16 06:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
well trump won. unbelievable........ but, the people have spoken.


Binnie, what would have surprised me was seeing greedy little Hillary sitting in the Oval Office with a smirk on her face.

This development doesn't surprise me at all.

Did I vote for Trump? No, neither candidate. But I was confident he'd win.


yes, alfa she had a ton of baggage, and the wiki leaks destroyed her all the more, but the coup d grau was of course, jim Toomey and the fbi, she was cruising along until the fbi entered the picture, check her numbers before toomeys letter, and after tomeys letter, the fbi put trump in the white house. grossly unfair.
Most voters had their mind made up long before the fbi thing, long before the Access Hollywood thing, long before the Machado thing. It had little to no affect on the election. If the FBI didn't come out with the new investigation the election would have had the same results. What they all forgot was the silent majority.
Posted By: carlitosway

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/10/16 06:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
Oak, it's not bad. I voted for slick willy's wife, but I am still posting. Trump won't have an effect on the economy until 2018.

Already had a direct affect on my personal economy. My stock jumped up 8 bucks in 1 day. Gonna give my kids a good Christmas.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/10/16 09:58 AM

Originally Posted By: carlitosway
Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
Oak, it's not bad. I voted for slick willy's wife, but I am still posting. Trump won't have an effect on the economy until 2018.

Already had a direct affect on my personal economy. My stock jumped up 8 bucks in 1 day. Gonna give my kids a good Christmas.


At least you have a Christmas. I am not even sure I will see the kids on Christmas. Christmas Eve we never did it to I married my wife. That was big for her. I don't need holidays now all the kids moved from NY except my youngest son. So I will see him but the rest who knows. I suspect we will see them they want to be in the will. I just like to see the Grand children I dig them. My sons and daughters I can take or leave them.

My communist daughter who lives in Berlin called me today wanted to talk about trump.

I did not realize she hates Obama more then trump you know why? Because of his use of drones and not closing the prison near Cuba gitmo. I told her there are only a few there now. She still hates him. Never send your kids to Columbia university or any other Ivy League school they get brain washed at those schools.

Some one posted that trump won't effect the economy until 2018 that is very true. But to do that businesses have to have certainty on taxes and their spending now. Now they have it with trump. They would not have had it with Hillary.
Posted By: hoodlum

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: carlitosway
Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
Oak, it's not bad. I voted for slick willy's wife, but I am still posting. Trump won't have an effect on the economy until 2018.

Already had a direct affect on my personal economy. My stock jumped up 8 bucks in 1 day. Gonna give my kids a good Christmas.


At least you have a Christmas. I am not even sure I will see the kids on Christmas. Christmas Eve we never did it to I married my wife. That was big for her. I don't need holidays now all the kids moved from NY except my youngest son. So I will see him but the rest who knows. I suspect we will see them they want to be in the will. I just like to see the Grand children I dig them. My sons and daughters I can take or leave them.

Quote:
My communist daughter
Quote:
who lives in Berlin called me today wanted to talk about trump.

I did not realize she hates Obama more then trump you know why? Because of his use of drones and not closing the prison near Cuba gitmo. I told her there are only a few there now. She still hates him. Never send your kids to Columbia university or any other Ivy League school they get brain washed at those schools.

Some one posted that trump won't effect the economy until 2018 that is very true. But to do that businesses have to have certainty on taxes and their spending now. Now they have it with trump. They would not have had it with Hillary.
u really r a funny guy !lol..
Posted By: hoodlum

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 05:35 AM

I tried 2 make quotation marks surrounding my....daughter but i dont know how u guys do that..i'm still new @ this thing.Sorry.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 05:27 PM

Originally Posted By: carlitosway
Most voters had their mind made up long before the fbi thing, long before the Access Hollywood thing, long before the Machado thing. It had little to no affect on the election. If the FBI didn't come out with the new investigation the election would have had the same results. What they all forgot was the silent majority.

agree.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 05:51 PM

I think he won for a lot of reasons.

First people thought he would help the economy.

We don't make much anymore. People want to buy made in America I know I do.

Unions actually thought trump would help them.

We need a border. Try to sneak into Mexico and see what happens.

Less taxes give business certainty so they can expand.

I can go,on and on.

He just talks like he is still a kid. He thinks everyone is his friend. In that regard he is like my youngest son. Women gravitate to money and power. It is hard to not be tempted by them. After all most of us think with our dicks don't believe it just as Bill Clinton.

I think he is still a democrat in a lot of ways. That might help him to actually help minorities get the training some of them need to learn a trade and to keep the country from turning socialist.

Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 06:56 PM

Still no Oak, huh? What a gutless wonder. I guess it's not surprising. 90% of his posts were in this section proclaiming Hillary's inevitable win and other liberal BS. Besides not wanting to eat crow, he has no purpose on the board now.

Speaking of liberals, they're scumbags as usual. People don't realize just how anti-democratic they are.


Anti-Trump Protest In Portland, Ore., Turns Destructive, Declared A Riot
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2...declared-a-riot


Millions Sign Onto Call for Electoral College to Award the Presidency to Popular Vote Winner Clinton
http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16807
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 07:25 PM

Ivy,

Rep. president,Rep. majority in Senate and House.

Basically, you have about 3 more months to "blame" liberals for anything.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
I think he won for a lot of reasons.

First people thought he would help the economy.

We don't make much anymore. People want to buy made in America I know I do.

Unions actually thought trump would help them.

We need a border. Try to sneak into Mexico and see what happens.

Less taxes give business certainty so they can expand.

I can go,on and on.

He just talks like he is still a kid. He thinks everyone is his friend. In that regard he is like my youngest son. Women gravitate to money and power. It is hard to not be tempted by them. After all most of us think with our dicks don't believe it just as Bill Clinton.

I think he is still a democrat in a lot of ways. That might help him to actually help minorities get the training some of them need to learn a trade and to keep the country from turning socialist.



I think immigration was a key factor....and Trump was able to key into people's frustration with the economy as it is. I doubt that many people are naive enough to actually believe Trump has a magic wand and that he can "fix" things single handedly, but the language and rhetoric he used fired them up.

You get what you pay for,though.
Posted By: SC

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 07:49 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Still no Oak, huh? What a gutless wonder. I guess it's not surprising. 90% of his posts were in this section proclaiming Hillary's inevitable win and other liberal BS. Besides not wanting to eat crow, he has no purpose on the board now.


Oak is on vacation for flaming others. And Ivy, I'm sick and tired of you bad-mouthing others here. You're on a thin thread here. I'd ask you to apologize to Oak for those words above but I know you're not man enough to make an apology. You were in this same situation a few years back with another member and you refused to apologize. You were suspended for a short time and swore you'd never return yet here you are still flaming anyone with a different agenda than yours. This is a final warning to stop this shit.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 07:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads


Unions actually thought trump would help them.



Especially the PBA


I think a lot of people voter against the extremely far left idealogy that in recent years has been jammed down peoples throat.

Middle class America is tired of being treated like crap so they votes for Trump to say f you to the establishment. Just my opinion
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 09:24 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Still no Oak, huh? What a gutless wonder. I guess it's not surprising. 90% of his posts were in this section proclaiming Hillary's inevitable win and other liberal BS. Besides not wanting to eat crow, he has no purpose on the board now.


Oak is on vacation for flaming others. And Ivy, I'm sick and tired of you bad-mouthing others here. You're on a thin thread here. I'd ask you to apologize to Oak for those words above but I know you're not man enough to make an apology. You were in this same situation a few years back with another member and you refused to apologize. You were suspended for a short time and swore you'd never return yet here you are still flaming anyone with a different agenda than yours. This is a final warning to stop this shit.


I'd apologize if I had something to apologize for. But I don't. And when did I ever swear to not come back? And why am I talking to a guy, in a political thread, who thinks the only reason people were critical of Obama is because they're racist? I'm sure you're still pissed about the election, SC, but don't take it out on me.
Posted By: SC

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
I'd apologize if I had something to apologize for. But I don't.


You have a lot to apologize for. You just don't get it, do ya? You flame anyone who has a different agenda than yours. You are a disruptive force here. You were given plenty of warnings about the flaming remarks but you always chose to ignore them. You are gone.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 10:05 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Still no Oak, huh? What a gutless wonder. I guess it's not surprising. 90% of his posts were in this section proclaiming Hillary's inevitable win and other liberal BS. Besides not wanting to eat crow, he has no purpose on the board now.

Speaking of liberals, they're scumbags as usual. People don't realize just how anti-democratic they are.


Anti-Trump Protest In Portland, Ore., Turns Destructive, Declared A Riot
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2...declared-a-riot


Millions Sign Onto Call for Electoral College to Award the Presidency to Popular Vote Winner Clinton
http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16807





Because those millions never learned civics in school.

Why we use electoral college and not popular vote


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V6s7jB6-GoU
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 10:11 PM

The electoral college is designed to have two functions. First, is that it was supposed to be a group of enlightened people that would provide a check on the mob to prevent a demagogue from being elected. This is simply a failure. The US Constitution didn't properly anticipate the inevitable rise of political parties. Outside of slavery, this is its key defect. Electoral college voters are selected for party loyalty and will vote for (by law in a bunch of states) their party leader who won the state. It is simply a rubber stamp and you could entirely do away with the human element and make it about numbers.

Second, the electoral college is designed to be a federalist attempt to balance proportional representation with local self-determination. Small states get outsized power over larger ones by design in order to allow them to protect their interests. We're just at a unique cross-roads where political parties have sorted by population density and one party is now using this advantage to dominate the other. It doesn't help that this party has gone crazy.

I favor an electoral college system, but the arbitrary math behind it has gotten very out of whack. As the country gets unequally larger and larger, the voting power disparities become greater and greater. In an ideal world, we'd come up with a better mathematical solution
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 10:20 PM

Did you look at my video?
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 10:25 PM

Why would i need to? I understand the EC without help from Prager U. If i want a 5 minute university I'll enroll at Father Guido Sarducci's.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 10:26 PM

Funny now the Left is talking about secession. I got called racist for suggesting this country is too big with too many different cultures and political rivalries to be under one government. This is the butt hurt everyone gets for being in favor of one big centralized state.
Posted By: bigboy

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/11/16 10:47 PM

OK Trump is in. We must accept it just like we had to accept Obama. I doubt that it will have any direct on out personal lives.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 04:09 AM

trump said today he won't touch medicare, and social security. that's a relief to me, ryan, and mcconnel both want to end entitlements, great to have the prez in my corner when the far right want's to cut these programs. great thing for him to say.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 04:19 AM

He said he will protect LGBQ probably pretty strange forba republican probably something you aren't so keen on
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 05:54 AM

He always said he wasn't going to cut SS and Medicare. I don't get why LGBQ people are flipping out either. You finally got a republican president that isn't a conservative. Not on economics, not on social issues except abortion. He ran to the Left of Hillary on foreign policy... and people are scared..I guess it's the media's fault.

The only people that should maybe be worried is illegal immigrants and even that's something he's softened on. This country has gotten so dramatic.

Actually one of the reasons I don't support him is because he's for big government. He's likely to add to the growing debt and not solve our real problems.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 06:47 AM

Mood.

Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 07:00 AM

That picture looks like a group of weak people of whom only one could have voted. She should be a mother to her daughter instead of treating her daughter like she was talking to a friend.

Oak were you crying as well? Should have taken a picture of that instead.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 07:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
trump said today he won't touch medicare, and social security. that's a relief to me, ryan, and mcconnel both want to end entitlements, great to have the prez in my corner when the far right want's to cut these programs. great thing for him to say.


Jesus Binnie he said he would not touch social security more then a year ago. Who the hell our you listening to.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 07:04 AM

Crying? Not really.

Nauseous and confused for a few days? Yeah. Pretty much.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 09:05 AM

Call me crazy, but does anyone else think that Trump is going to pull an Earl Warren?
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 09:49 AM

I'm spending the weekend here in N.Y. My friends and I were taking a subway from Manhattan to queens. I having a conversation with a guy on the train. Everything was going well. Then, he asks me if I'm from the red or blue part of Florida. When my answer to the question he asked want the answer he wanted, this fucking guy flipped his lid. "You seemed like such a good guy. But I was right, Florida is the bottom of the barrel of this country. You guys have no clue about how the world works." I asked him if he referred to himself as oaks fan. I was wrong. Just some other 300 pound gay guy.
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 11:29 AM

Funny enough since the election results my cousin has been suffering from rage crying? All I can do OS shake my head. Word is she won't speak to me or my family (which is fine since we haven't spoken in 2 years) not because we voted for Trump but because we didn't vote for Hilary voted third party. All I can say is grow up, he probably won't change your life that much
Posted By: sbhc

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 12:41 PM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
Funny enough since the election results my cousin has been suffering from rage crying? All I can do OS shake my head. Word is she won't speak to me or my family (which is fine since we haven't spoken in 2 years) not because we voted for Trump but because we didn't vote for Hilary voted third party. All I can say is grow up, he probably won't change your life that much


Crying like a toddler won't change things, people must learn to respect democracy.

It chilled me to the bones to watch tv and see packs of degenerates riot in the streets over the result.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 06:16 PM

Don't make me have to pull up youtubes of Republicans crying and saying cray things when McCain and Romney lost.

Anyhow, this is relevant.

Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
Call me crazy, but does anyone else think that Trump is going to pull an Earl Warren?


that's funny,and I think you could be right, I would love to see paul ryan's and mitch Mconnel's faces when he does that, shoot down ryan's budget, ignore ted cruz, keep Obama care but make it work for the good of everyone. shore up social security and medicare, remember he always was a democrat !!!
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 06:51 PM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
Funny enough since the election results my cousin has been suffering from rage crying? All I can do OS shake my head. Word is she won't speak to me or my family (which is fine since we haven't spoken in 2 years) not because we voted for Trump but because we didn't vote for Hilary voted third party. All I can say is grow up, he probably won't change your life that much


I think you are right duke, I don't think there is much reason to fear him so, now I would fear ted cruz, thank god he's not in, but, as far as influencing one's daily life, I don't think so.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 06:53 PM

He's already moving to the center on Obamacare. The tea party types can't be happy about that. Day one and they already heard something they didn't want to hear. Watch the right call for Trump's impeachment before he's even inaugurated.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 07:02 PM

This is what is going to happen. He is going to keep pre existing condition he is going to keep kids coverage under the family until 26 unless they get a job before then with coverage.

Your going to have more choice then obama care now. It going to be cheaper because you will have more choices.

Your going to get health saving account and you can go to it if you lose your current job.

Also their won't be a time with obama care people will lose their coverage.

I would not even be surprised if trump kept the name obama care except New and improved obama care.

People will still complain about it because that is with the extreme left does.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 07:09 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
He's already moving to the center on Obamacare. The tea party types can't be happy about that. Day one and they already heard something they didn't want to hear. Watch the right call for Trump's impeachment before he's even inaugurated.


yeah, oak, they will hate him as much as Hillary, and the dems will never let him be impeached, hope he gets two terms now, and lets the far right twist in the wind. they deserve it !!
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 07:22 PM

Binnie, I'm really starting to wonder if this is going to happen. Trump was a Democrat less than a decade ago. It's not like he comes from a conservative background, like most Republicans. He can switch any time. He already has backpedaled on Obamacare. His rhetoric throughout the campaign was to get rid of Obamacare outright. A lot of people that voted for him can't be happy to hear that he's softening his stance. Buyer's remorse, day one. This is entertaining, if nothing else.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 09:43 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Don't make me have to pull up youtubes of Republicans crying and saying cray things when McCain and Romney lost.

Anyhow, this is relevant.





Yeah, I remember when the Republicans were rioting in the streets of major cities across the country after McCain lost in 2008 and Romney in 2012. Burning flags, vandalizing property, chanting "F___ Obama!", assaulting people...oh, wait, that never happened.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 09:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
He's already moving to the center on Obamacare. The tea party types can't be happy about that. Day one and they already heard something they didn't want to hear. Watch the right call for Trump's impeachment before he's even inaugurated.


yeah, oak, they will hate him as much as Hillary, and the dems will never let him be impeached, hope he gets two terms now, and lets the far right twist in the wind. they deserve it !!


Seriously guys? It was well known that Trump wasn't a conservative except on abortion. He said all along that he was going to replace Obamacare with something else and that it was going to include pre-existing conditions. I've been writing about it on this very board since he announced his candidacy. You guys just don't listen to outside opinions, LOL.

As for impeachment, the professor who successfully predicted that Trump was going to win is now predicting that he will be impeached in a matter of months -- by Republicans. If he's right, I imagine it would be because Trump did something that was extreme even for him. Who knows?
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 10:30 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Don't make me have to pull up youtubes of Republicans crying and saying cray things when McCain and Romney lost.


This would probably be my response



So do you
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 10:36 PM

Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 10:55 PM

Dude, that video has been making the rounds among my Facebook friends, especially among disappointed Bernie supporters. He's exactly right. The PC crowd shuts people down and makes personal attacks on them instead of engaging in friendly debate. There's no persuasion, only demands and bullying.

At college campuses across the country, students who don't share the Far Left opinion of the majority are often threatened by other students AND the administration. Associate professors with contrary views are denied tenure. The constitutional rights to free speech and freedom of association are tossed out the window. Now because their candidate lost colleges and universities are offering them safe spaces and coloring books, treating them like the crybabies they are. How come Republican students weren't offered those when McCain and Romney lost?

One thing I would like Trump to do is to pull student aid away from any college or university that denies free speech and association rights to students and staff. It used to be that college was there to help young adults grow up into full adults, now it infantilizes them and turns them into pouty, spoiled children and victims. This needs to change.
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/12/16 11:22 PM

Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87


Was looking for this video to post, very true all
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/13/16 01:19 AM

Hillary 2020

"Bet You Vote This Time"
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/13/16 12:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
well trump won. unbelievable........ but, the people have spoken.


Binnie, what would have surprised me was seeing greedy little Hillary sitting in the Oval Office with a smirk on her face.

This development doesn't surprise me at all.

Did I vote for Trump? No, neither candidate. But I was confident he'd win.


yes, alfa she had a ton of baggage, and the wiki leaks destroyed her all the more, but the coup d grau was of course, jim Toomey and the fbi, she was cruising along until the fbi entered the picture, check her numbers before toomeys letter, and after tomeys letter, the fbi put trump in the white house. grossly unfair.


Binnie, I truly believe Hillary had only two things coming...a loss to Trump, or jail. Why do I say that?

Everything FBI Director Comey did, was done to protect Hillary. He gave everyone immunity. He never interviewed Hillary under oath...in case she was found out later (fast forward to the Weiner "Hard" Drive LOL). He refused to call it an investigation even, knowing that the phrase "criminal investigation" would do her in. He tried to protect her freedom, and her bid for president. But he also tried to protect himself...which is why the 2nd announcement that "the review" had commenced was made.

Therefore, ultimately, Comey kept Hillary out of prison, AND, he kept her presidential campaign alive. She had every right to be indicted during the Democrat primaries and eliminated by the DNC leadership. For the FBI to have even called it a criminal investigation would've caused the DNC to eject her instantaneously and nominate Bernie.

No, Comey helped her, and likely, saved her butt. The one who brought the whole FBI heat on Hillary...was Hillary.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/13/16 12:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
This is what is going to happen. He is going to keep pre existing condition he is going to keep kids coverage under the family until 26 unless they get a job before then with coverage.

Your going to have more choice then obama care now. It going to be cheaper because you will have more choices.

Your going to get health saving account and you can go to it if you lose your current job.

Also their won't be a time with obama care people will lose their coverage.

I would not even be surprised if trump kept the name obama care except New and improved obama care.

People will still complain about it because that is with the extreme left does.


Trump ran on repealing the PPACA, ran as the non-politician. The thing to keep an eye on is the individual mandate. If people are forced to pay for healthcare they don't want or face an IRS penalty, it will undermine the little bit of faith in leadership the public has left.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/13/16 01:59 PM

Anyone else think the bigotry towards uneducated, working class people over 40 (or the deplorables) is slightly hypocritical considering Hillary Clinton got people like Bruce Springsteen, Beyonce and Jay-Z to campaign for her?

None of them have college degrees.

Why dafuq are blue collar people who served in Vietnam and The Gulf War going to listen to a draft dodger like Bruce Springsteen?

Give me a break.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/13/16 06:07 PM

hi moe, it was a big upset, however in the popular vote Hillary is ahead by 1.8 million votes, and they are still counting. as to your assertion about draft dodgers, think again, 3 out of the last 4 elected presidents have been in that category, bill clinton, George bush jr, and now Donald trump, it matters not anymore. I don't think Obama served either.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/13/16 07:11 PM

Are they counting all the dead people in California to bring the popular vote up. You actually think people loved Hillary. She has not even driven a car in 40 years. Do the clintons even own a car no wonder they don't care about the,price of gasoline. I guess one of the deplorable working stiffs drive them around in the governments limos.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/13/16 07:15 PM

Who drives you around Binn I pay for my own even though I don't drive much anymore because of my eye site.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/13/16 07:16 PM

Don't worry if the progressives have their way the whole world will be the walking dead one day just not today smile
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/13/16 07:24 PM

Clinton and Trump are draft dodgers. Bush just went AWOL for a time. Bush served, just not overseas. Clinton and Trump did not sign up.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/15/16 01:24 AM

foots, ok, I can't afford a driver, have to drive myself, however don't drive at night. yes the Clintons suck.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/15/16 03:57 AM

A lot of people find it hard to drive at night.

My eyes are a little missed up had 6 laser surgeries to stop bleeding in the retina. Plus a shot into the eye for some other shit. So I can't drive anymore sometimes I do any way, but not much just to get a pizza smile
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/15/16 05:07 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Binnie, I'm really starting to wonder if this is going to happen. Trump was a Democrat less than a decade ago. It's not like he comes from a conservative background, like most Republicans. He can switch any time. He already has backpedaled on Obamacare. His rhetoric throughout the campaign was to get rid of Obamacare outright. A lot of people that voted for him can't be happy to hear that he's softening his stance. Buyer's remorse, day one. This is entertaining, if nothing else.
Reagan was a Democrat once also, turned out well for the U.S. In our younger years we are young and naive. After we grow up and mature a little, we become Republicans.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/15/16 05:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
Clinton and Trump are draft dodgers. Bush just went AWOL for a time. Bush served, just not overseas. Clinton and Trump did not sign up.
Questioning why you left out Obama's military or lack thereof background.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/15/16 03:44 PM

Yates,

W. Bush, Clinton, and Trump are all baby boomers and were eligible for the Vietnam draft. Obama graduated high school in 1979, well after the country ended military drafts.
Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/15/16 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Binnie, I'm really starting to wonder if this is going to happen. Trump was a Democrat less than a decade ago. It's not like he comes from a conservative background, like most Republicans. He can switch any time. He already has backpedaled on Obamacare. His rhetoric throughout the campaign was to get rid of Obamacare outright. A lot of people that voted for him can't be happy to hear that he's softening his stance. Buyer's remorse, day one. This is entertaining, if nothing else.
Reagan was a Democrat once also, turned out well for the U.S. In our younger years we are young and naive. After we grow up and mature a little, we become Republicans.


That may be true in the poor south, but certainly not in California or New York where a lot of educated people live.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/15/16 07:32 PM

Bruce Springsteen, Bono, Madonna, Jay-Z and Beyonce aren't educated either and that's who Hillary got to campaign for her while Trump broke his ass going to rallies.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/16/16 12:25 AM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
Clinton and Trump are draft dodgers. Bush just went AWOL for a time. Bush served, just not overseas. Clinton and Trump did not sign up.
Questioning why you left out Obama's military or lack thereof background.


Obama is a decade or two younger them those guys. There is some evidence that Obama may have been a CIA asset. He never joined the military and was going to college in the 80's.
Lol I hope you are not one of those groups calling Obama a draft dodger.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/16/16 02:07 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Binnie, I'm really starting to wonder if this is going to happen. Trump was a Democrat less than a decade ago. It's not like he comes from a conservative background, like most Republicans. He can switch any time. He already has backpedaled on Obamacare. His rhetoric throughout the campaign was to get rid of Obamacare outright. A lot of people that voted for him can't be happy to hear that he's softening his stance. Buyer's remorse, day one. This is entertaining, if nothing else.


yes. oak, there will be a lot of things he said he would do that he won't be able to do. of course most of his rhetoric was designed to get elected. which he did, but the talk of bringing back jobs to the u.s. may sound good, but, the reality is much different, and foreign policy is much different than he imagined, and he will find that out, he is the leader of the free world, and he switched his stance on NATO, which is good.
the country has seen what happens when the far-right takes us into needless wars, and I don't think he will be that careless, as that war criminal George bush.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/16/16 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Anyone else think the bigotry towards uneducated, working class people over 40 (or the deplorables) is slightly hypocritical considering Hillary Clinton got people like Bruce Springsteen, Beyonce and Jay-Z to campaign for her?

None of them have college degrees.

Why dafuq are blue collar people who served in Vietnam and The Gulf War going to listen to a draft dodger like Bruce Springsteen?

Give me a break.



trump doesn't give a fuck about blue collar people....he used poor uneducated whites to become president. the same people he's going to cut public assistance for
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/16/16 08:28 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Anyone else think the bigotry towards uneducated, working class people over 40 (or the deplorables) is slightly hypocritical considering Hillary Clinton got people like Bruce Springsteen, Beyonce and Jay-Z to campaign for her?

None of them have college degrees.

Why dafuq are blue collar people who served in Vietnam and The Gulf War going to listen to a draft dodger like Bruce Springsteen?

Give me a break.



trump doesn't give a fuck about blue collar people....he used poor uneducated whites to become president. the same people he's going to cut public assistance for


And you know this how?
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 02:49 AM

So you're saying Obama would've joined the military to fight the Vietnam War if it was still ongoing in 79?
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 02:52 AM

Originally Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto
Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Binnie, I'm really starting to wonder if this is going to happen. Trump was a Democrat less than a decade ago. It's not like he comes from a conservative background, like most Republicans. He can switch any time. He already has backpedaled on Obamacare. His rhetoric throughout the campaign was to get rid of Obamacare outright. A lot of people that voted for him can't be happy to hear that he's softening his stance. Buyer's remorse, day one. This is entertaining, if nothing else.
Reagan was a Democrat once also, turned out well for the U.S. In our younger years we are young and naive. After we grow up and mature a little, we become Republicans.


That may be true in the poor south, but certainly not in California or New York where a lot of educated people live.
That why all industries are moving to the South? I've been to California, it was like going to a foreign country. Good luck with that. Trump. Merica. Roll some coal!!
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 02:54 AM

Trump told his supporters he's going to bring back manufacturing jobs. lol. It should be a crime to so shamelessly take advantage of uninformed people.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 03:02 AM

Fisherman's Wharf, Lombard Street, Silicon Valley, Beverly Hills, Malibu, Big Sur, Santa Barbara, La Jolla, Carlsbad, Redwood. If you came all the way to California and skipped these places just to see the ghettos, it's your own fault.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 03:03 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Anyone else think the bigotry towards uneducated, working class people over 40 (or the deplorables) is slightly hypocritical considering Hillary Clinton got people like Bruce Springsteen, Beyonce and Jay-Z to campaign for her?

None of them have college degrees.

Why dafuq are blue collar people who served in Vietnam and The Gulf War going to listen to a draft dodger like Bruce Springsteen?

Give me a break.



trump doesn't give a fuck about blue collar people....he used poor uneducated whites to become president. the same people he's going to cut public assistance for

I love how people assume Southern people are uneducated. Even though some of the greatest people in U.S. history come from the South. Pretty sure nobody would call William Faulkner uneducated. A lot of the most legendary icons in U.S. History are from Mississippi. Sorry, we tend to do our own thing and not be sheeple like the rest of the educated West Coast and Northeastern States.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 03:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Dude, that video has been making the rounds among my Facebook friends, especially among disappointed Bernie supporters. He's exactly right. The PC crowd shuts people down and makes personal attacks on them instead of engaging in friendly debate. There's no persuasion, only demands and bullying.

At college campuses across the country, students who don't share the Far Left opinion of the majority are often threatened by other students AND the administration. Associate professors with contrary views are denied tenure. The constitutional rights to free speech and freedom of association are tossed out the window. Now because their candidate lost colleges and universities are offering them safe spaces and coloring books, treating them like the crybabies they are. How come Republican students weren't offered those when McCain and Romney lost?

One thing I would like Trump to do is to pull student aid away from any college or university that denies free speech and association rights to students and staff. It used to be that college was there to help young adults grow up into full adults, now it infantilizes them and turns them into pouty, spoiled children and victims. This needs to change.


That's right, they avoid friendly debates because they know it will make them look stupid.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 03:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
Clinton and Trump are draft dodgers. Bush just went AWOL for a time. Bush served, just not overseas. Clinton and Trump did not sign up.


Where do people get their information? Out of thin air? You're statement about Clinton and Trump are incorrect. You're correct about neither wanting to go. Both were assigned high draft numbers. They never would have had to go anyways. August 19th had a draft number of 311. June 14th had the number 356. I would have to check but i am pretty sure no draft number over 200 ever went to Vietnam. My draft number would have been 50 so I definitely would've have went as my 3 sons would have as their draft number as mine are all under 100. That being said, none were "draft dodgers". They sure as hell didn't want to go but didn't leave the country to avoid it.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 03:13 PM

@faithful

trump said he's going to cut public aid
that effects his fanbase
trump will he 10x worse than bush ever was


@yates

okay fine he didnt use uneducated whites
he just used a bunch of racist to get elected....u happy now
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 07:04 PM

Trump promised working class whites that he would bring back manufacturing jobs. It should be a crime to feed a desperate, confused segment of the population such a load of shit.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 09:21 PM

^^^^

our economy would tank if we had to pay people real wages to manufacture products
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 11:12 PM

No matter the case, he's not bringing back manufacturing jobs, nor did he ever have any intention of doing so. Trump has not done one thing in his entire life that would demonstrate he cares about working people. Not one.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 11:33 PM

latest....... trump aide in waiting john Bolton, calls for regime change in iran, recommends bomb attacks,[ huffington post.]

sound familiar, ala- dick cheney.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/17/16 11:46 PM

I'll bet anything he counts troops deployed as jobs created.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 02:16 AM

Instead of Democrats tripping over each other trying to cater to these so called "working class white voters" who fell for Trump's bullshit, why don't they just run nothing but black candidates from now on? Obama had no problem in these states where this so called rural white rebellion took place. Why go 50 years backward with their strategy when they can just do what's worked this millennium?
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 06:54 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
No matter the case, he's not bringing back manufacturing jobs, nor did he ever have any intention of doing so. Trump has not done one thing in his entire life that would demonstrate he cares about working people. Not one.


Except employing them for the last 40 years.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 06:57 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Instead of Democrats tripping over each other trying to cater to these so called "working class white voters" who fell for Trump's bullshit, why don't they just run nothing but black candidates from now on? Obama had no problem in these states where this so called rural white rebellion took place. Why go 50 years backward with their strategy when they can just do what's worked this millennium?

"so called white rebellion" my ass. Trump got elected. There is no "so called" to it. So you can refer to it as just "white rebellion" or "whitelash". Whichever you prefer to how Your new President Trump got elected. Glad you didn't go through with it Oak. I would say you have to much to live for, but other than video games, I'm sure that's not the case.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 06:59 AM

And I hate to break it to you, but in this election the Democrats did not cater to the "working class white voters". That's why they lost. Instead, they catered to LBGTQ, BLM, Jay Z, and the Kardashians which repulsed most Americans.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 07:01 AM

Trump employing people for the last 40 years.

lol.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 07:02 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Trump employing people for the last 40 years.

lol.


It's not true? Or is it? For once answer the question truthfully.
I guess robots built his buildings or he stiffed every single company and every single worker that worked for him. Amazing. You would think if nobody got paid they would learn after the first couple of building. Amazing they went unpaid and were duped for 40 years.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 07:12 AM

It's also worth noting that Obama got more votes than Trump in all of the swing states except Florida and NC. More than enough to beat him. So, whatever cutsie little revolution Trump voters think this was, Obaoma's election was bigger. BTW, this is going by Obama's 2012 numbers. He got even more numbers in 2008. All that was determined in this election is that Trump has more fans than Hillary Clinton...in states like Ohio and Florida, not nationwide, of course, where Hillary destroyed Trump in the popular vote.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 07:18 AM

No, it's not true. Trump doesn't employ anyone. The banks that have bailed him out after the 4 times he's gone bankrupt do. He doesn't even pay his employees. He's been sued for that, too.

And, Trump has certainly never built anything, other than his own brand. He's never worked a day in his life. It's really sad that so many working class people voted for him thinking that he's for them. It's going to go down as one of the biggest follies in the history of the American electorate. Trump played all of you. I would laugh but it's going to hurt everyone.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 07:22 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
It's also worth noting that Obama got more votes than Trump in all of the swing states except Florida and NC. More than enough to beat him. So, whatever cutsie little revolution Trump voters think this was, Obaoma's election was bigger. BTW, this is going by Obama's 2012 numbers. He got even more numbers in 2008. All that was determined in this election is that Trump has more fans than Hillary Clinton...in states like Ohio and Florida, not nationwide, of course, where Hillary destroyed Trump in the popular vote.


Hello Oak. You there? Trump wasn't running against Obama. Wake up. Hillary didn't destroy Trump in the Electoral College where it counted. She looked at the polls and thought she had it in the bag. Don't count your eggs before they hatch. bahahahahaha.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 07:23 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
No, it's not true. Trump doesn't employ anyone. The banks that have bailed him out after the 4 times he's gone bankrupt do. He doesn't even pay his employees. He's been sued for that, too.

And, Trump has certainly never built anything, other than his own brand. He's never worked a day in his life. It's really sad that so many working class people voted for him thinking that he's for them. It's going to go down as one of the biggest follies in the history of the American electorate. Trump played all of you. I would laugh but it's going to hurt everyone.


You heard it from Oak first. Trump never employed anyone. All his building were built by robots or people that worked for free. Did he use slave labor Oak?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 07:29 AM

My point was obvious. If Trump's election was any sort of an uprising or revolution of rural voters, then Obama's election was an even bigger revolution in the regions where he won, because he destroyed Trump's numbers in most swing states.

And, I'm not sure how much you've researched your idol Donald Trump, but his value is all on paper. If the banks cut off his credit tomorrow, he'd be among that working class he just lied to to get elected.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 07:41 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
My point was obvious. If Trump's election was any sort of an uprising or revolution of rural voters, then Obama's election was an even bigger revolution in the regions where he won, because he destroyed Trump's numbers in most swing states.

And, I'm not sure how much you've researched your idol Donald Trump, but his value is all on paper. If the banks cut off his credit tomorrow, he'd be among that working class he just lied to to get elected.


Sorry to confuse you Oak. I was talking about recent events. Obama's 2012 win was so long ago and no longer relevant. Voters were displeased with the last 8 years and rejected Obama, his legacy, and everything he stood for. Which is why they chose Trump who will tear down and repeal the very little damage Obama has done.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 07:52 AM

You didn't confuse me at all.

Perhaps I confused you.

My point is that if Trump's election is any sort of a mandate, revolution, statement, what have you, Obama's was even more so, considering his numbers in swing states.

I'm attaching numbers to the words being used to describe the victories in the two elections, that's all.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 07:54 AM

And, again, the popular vote certainly wouldn't suggest that the country rejects Obama's legacy. If Trump were to surpass Obama's numbers in more than just two swing states, I might believe something like that. But the numbers just don't back it up. Trump won a popularity contest with Hillary Clinton in states like Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania, nothing more. And Trump would get destroyed by Barack Obama in an election.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:00 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
And, again, the popular vote certainly wouldn't suggest that the country rejects Obama's legacy. If Trump were to surpass Obama's numbers in more than just two swing states, I might believe something like that. But the numbers just don't back it up. Trump won a popularity contest with Hillary Clinton in states like Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania, nothing more. And Trump would get destroyed by Barack Obama in an election.


No it wouldn't. The Electoral Vote, which Obama won by twice, sure as hell did though. And if Trump and Obama went head to head AFTER an 8 year Obama Presidency which was a complete failure, Trump would win Hands Down every time.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:04 AM

Trump needed to outwork Obama in the majority of those swing states to be able to safely say he could have beaten Obama, too.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:06 AM

As far as Obama's presidency being a failure, nearly all of the economic and employment numbers are better today than when he took office. About all he can be blamed for is not being able to clean the mess that Bush left him, and congress certainly didn't help.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:08 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
As far as Obama's presidency being a failure, nearly all of the economic and employment numbers are better today than when he took office. About all he can be blamed for is not being able to clean the mess that Bush left him, and congress certainly didn't help.

And the dumb redneck blue collar working class white voter is the delusional one? Lol. Okay buddy. Good luck to ya. What is your profession again Oak? Gamer that lives with your parents?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:15 AM

What kind of response is that?

Is there anything in particular you object to?

The unemployment rate is much lower than when Obama took office.

He's created the 5th most jobs of all presidents in history.

Compare the economic numbers today to when he took office and the country is clearly a much better place now. Things were scary in 2009.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:17 AM

That's the second time you called me a "gamer that lives with my parents"

Is this a go-to insult of yours, or something?

No, I do not live with my parents.

It would just so happen I do own a gaming system, like millions of working, American adults of the X and Millennial generations, and have some games, but I'm certainly not a gamer. Heck I just bought Mafia II, which is the older edition of the game, about a month ago, and still can't get past the first level.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:57 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
That's the second time you called me a "gamer that lives with my parents"

Is this a go-to insult of yours, or something?

No, I do not live with my parents.

It would just so happen I do own a gaming system, like millions of working, American adults of the X and Millennial generations, and have some games, but I'm certainly not a gamer. Heck I just bought Mafia II, which is the older edition of the game, about a month ago, and still can't get past the first level.
Interesting you left out your profession. You should have responded "unemployed". I was born in 81. Last gaming system I had was a Sega Genesis. Generation x was 60's to the mid 70s. A very few percentage own gaming systems. Generation y or z or the so called millennials might have a higher percentage of being a gamer, but only the ones who are unemployed or don't have children. I don't know you from Adam, but I can guess your marital status, employment(or lack thereof of anything more than a handout government job), and if you have children(which you obviously dont) down to a t. Let me guess. If you do have a job you work as a host or waiter at a chain restaurant in a fairly large city, your roomate is a close friend or co worker, you don't have a girlfriend, and you have no children. Age range 23-29. How close am I? I know you won't tell the truth but I know I am pretty close.
Posted By: SC

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:59 AM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
What is your profession again Oak? Gamer that lives with your parents?


If you're gonna resort to these childish rankouts you're gonna be posting elsewhere soon.

Can we maintain ANY civility here?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 01:45 PM

If everyone is working why are millions more then ever before on relief now? That is ok to ask Oak SC right? Also if things are going so well why didn't Hillary win if everyone is happy. She would be just continuation of the Obama administration.

You know it's funny on any site your on for me it is numerous soccer sites most of the time people can disagree. But when you allow politics to enter in on it. It never ends well.

Maybe politics should be forbidden on this site what do you think SC?
Posted By: SC

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 02:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Maybe politics should be forbidden on this site what do you think SC?



Geoff considered that possibility many years ago.

You ever see the movie, "Sleepers"?? There was a scene in which two of the guys were sitting in a westside bar and that very point was made.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 02:54 PM

Loosely based on the Westies sure what a cast in that movie. I thought Ron Eldard would be a star from that movie. I also thought Joey Cortese from the death collector would be a star from that movie and I thought Armand Asante would be a star from see I the Jury.

Shows you what I know smile
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 03:01 PM

With me on soccer sites now it is a sport here in the US run by liberal school teachers at the youth level. I liked it better when the sport was run by the USSF here in NYC when I was a player. No liberals on it back then. But now I don't even like to talk to soccer people on it now.

Heading is forbidden here until over 13 something like that. You start heading at that age they will never be good at it.

In Germany they want you to head anything close to you low balls do diving headers even for kids.

Now you can't even head a high bounce to your own foot to get it under control that is ridiculous.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 03:13 PM

There was a story recently that a soccer player here in the MLS came out of the closet because he felt the need to tell the world he was gay. Then an opposing player on another team said something on the field to rattle him. Instead of handling it by himself he had to tell the press who it was now that opposing player is getting death threats and they want him out of the mls.

If I was that gay guy I would have got the guy alone and beat him up and moved on. But I guess the gay guy was a punk so he did not do it.

I posted what the gay guy should have done. Soccer people on soccer America site were shocked by what I said smile
Posted By: Holyoke

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 03:20 PM

Was Ron Eldard the cop in Scent of a Woman? He's the cop that pulled over Pacino when he was test driving the Ferrari.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 03:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Holyoke
Was Ron Eldard the cop in Scent of a Woman? He's the cop that pulled over Pacino when he was test driving the Ferrari.


He was in Blind Justice too.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
No matter the case, he's not bringing back manufacturing jobs


Well he could bring the rust belt to life. Take steel production for instance. You just have to put a large enough tariff on steel imports so that it becomes economic to open up (well, rebuild) those old steel mills and start them producing again.

Of course the US price of cars, buildings, machinery, appliances and pretty well anything else that uses steel would go through the roof, so other consumers would take an immense hit in order to transport Pennsylvania back to the 1950's. Of course, that would destroy other large parts of the US economy in the process. But no doubt the he will be able to use the libel laws he has mentioned numerous times he would like to implement to close down any newspaper that points that out.

Oh yes, and you'd have to ban using all that modern technology that does most of the work in modern steel-mills, so all those big really muscly guys can come back into the factory again.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 05:32 PM

I have spent at least a hundred thousand dollars buy from auctions on eBay.

My wife wants me to buy a jar opening machine for her cost 11 dollars.

So I buy it thinking it was being shipped somewhere in the United States. Turned out it was being shipped from China. Look closer shipping time was from a week to 28 days. Of course the week was bull shit. Evidently it was on a slow boat from china. It took 32 days to get here so I refused it. They actually shipped the piece of shit back to china that was a month later it is on route back to china.

I complain to the company in china I complain to eBay for my whole 11 dollars back. I told eBay how much I spend on eBay thinking that will matter.

Well it did not matter to them. I tell them good I won't buy through eBay anymore because eBay employees are machine and can't think for themselves.

I tell china to go fuck themselves and tell them I will not long eat Chinese food anymore smile
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 05:36 PM

I would spend 10 times the money for anything made in the US. China does not buy shit made in the US.

I heard ford is staying here not building in Mexico. also hear the iPad might be made here instead of in china.

So I guess Trump had an effect on jobs here right now.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 05:49 PM

Ford wasn't moving that plant to Mexico. This was widely reported by almost every major news outlet.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 06:24 PM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Generation x was 60's to the mid 70s. A very few percentage own gaming systems. Generation y or z or the so called millennials might have a higher percentage of being a gamer, but only the ones who are unemployed or don't have children.


lol. Please tell us how you know all of this for certain.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 06:47 PM

Who is Jeff Sessions, US attorney general nominee?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38030602


For those kids out there that don't know him, in 1986 Sessions became the 2nd man in 50 years to be rejected the Republican controlled Senate Judiciary Committee. This was 1986, at the height of the second Reagan Administration.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Maybe politics should be forbidden on this site what do you think SC?



Geoff considered that possibility many years ago.

You ever see the movie, "Sleepers"?? There was a scene in which two of the guys were sitting in a westside bar and that very point was made.


You mean when one of the two guys, John Reilly, says to the bartender, "tell them Republicans are not welcome in Hells Kitchen, and either a political conversion or a change of conversation is in order"?

It was actually the bartender that watered down the message and told the other guys "no politics, no religion".

Great scene. And great song playing in the background. Witchi Tai To by Everything Is Everything.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Ford wasn't moving that plant to Mexico. This was widely reported by almost every major news outlet.



What about making the iPad here and not China was that widely reported?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 06:58 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Who is Jeff Sessions, US attorney general nominee?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38030602


For those kids out there that don't know him, in 1986 Sessions became the 2nd man in 50 years to be rejected the Republican controlled Senate Judiciary Committee. This was 1986, at the height of the second Reagan Administration.


Wow 30 yrs ago what was hillarys guy in the senate 30 yrs ago a kkk guy.


Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 06:59 PM

Post a link about the story with Apple saying they are considering moving production to the US.

Then we can discuss it. Google is giving me nothing
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads


Wow 30 yrs ago what was hillarys guy in the senate 30 yrs ago a kkk guy.




I assume you mean Robert Byrd.

The same Robert Byrd that repudiated his former association, and apologized? The Robert Byrd that was later praised by the NAACP?

And he wasn't a KKK guy thirty years ago. I believe his membership was back in the 50's. He was a horrible person in his earlier years, and managed to change.

I haven't seen indications of the same from Sessions, but feel free to post any. I'm always interested in learning.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:21 PM

The Democrats never summarily executed Robert Byrd on live television, so therefore, they're as bad as the KKK.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: Footreads


Wow 30 yrs ago what was hillarys guy in the senate 30 yrs ago a kkk guy.




I assume you mean Robert Byrd.

The same Robert Byrd that repudiated his former association, and apologized? The Robert Byrd that was later praised by the NAACP?

And he wasn't a KKK guy thirty years ago. I believe his membership was back in the 50's. He was a horrible person in his earlier years, and managed to change.

I haven't seen indications of the same from Sessions, but feel free to post any. I'm always interested in learning.


Your not interested in learning anything. You think your a know it all.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Post a link about the story with Apple saying they are considering moving production to the US.

Then we can discuss it. Google is giving me nothing


Wait you will hear about it soon.
Posted By: RollinBones

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 08:37 PM

it's in the news,

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/...d/#74c6b48834d9
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 09:11 PM

I heard apple does not want anything done in china. So I guess it is Vietnam then they probably work cheaper then china.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 09:13 PM

Isn't it true once a racist always a racist.

Also once a communist always a commie.

Like DeBlasios wife once a lesbo always a lesbo.
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/18/16 10:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Isn't it true once a racist always a racist.

Also once a communist always a commie.

Like DeBlasios wife once a lesbo always a lesbo.


I second that Foots.he apologized and managed to change, come on please.
Posted By: fergie

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/19/16 12:48 AM

Trump was the best bet for you guys, even although he's got a head that looks like its been moulded out of clay in a prisons special unit. There's no way you can trust the Clinton's...I'll give you 10 reasons no probs why either of that couple should be in jail or tried for war crimes.

You all only had a vote for cancer or heart disease....
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/19/16 06:41 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Generation x was 60's to the mid 70s. A very few percentage own gaming systems. Generation y or z or the so called millennials might have a higher percentage of being a gamer, but only the ones who are unemployed or don't have children.


lol. Please tell us how you know all of this for certain.

Common Sense and observation. Just how I used my common sense and observed Trump would be elected even though no one, not the experts, the pollsters, the pundits gave him a shot. People like myself don't normally do polls, and if we do we yank their chain.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/19/16 06:49 AM

My friend John was positive trump would not be elected because the vegas odds makers really know how to pick winners and losers. But even them got it wrong.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/19/16 07:58 AM

The Weekly Standard makes the case that Jeff Sessions isn't racist: http://www.weeklystandard.com/in-alabama...article/2005461

Even if true there are a still a few problem areas, including his staunch opposition to marijuana legalization and weakening of civil forfeiture laws.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/19/16 08:29 AM

I have not smoked grass from when I was a kid. I never really got a high from it. As a kid I moved on to better highs like goof balls. But that was fucked up because it took more and more of them to get the same high. Coming down was was not good. Then finally to Coke before I finally quit that. I think if my wife ever dies I will go back to it smile

I heard grass know is a lot better high then what I smoked as a kid is that true? Because of that some people want it more controlled not less controlled.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/19/16 08:03 PM

Oak has plenty of theories as to why Trump shouldn't be President, but I have yet to see him put forth one single theory as to why Hillary SHOULD be President. Not one.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 02:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
The Weekly Standard makes the case that Jeff Sessions isn't racist: http://www.weeklystandard.com/in-alabama...article/2005461

Even if true there are a still a few problem areas, including his staunch opposition to marijuana legalization and weakening of civil forfeiture laws.


if the states have legalized pot, the government should respect the people's right to the democratic process of the popular vote, if sessions can't deal with that, he should be reminded that the first three words in the U.S. constitution are "WE THE PEOPLE" not I the attorney general.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 03:31 AM

Definitely federal crackdowns to come with Sessions. All these people who voted for Trump for a change ended up voting for Cheney/Bush Republicans. I'm sure they'll realize this at some point while waiting out there in the cold for Trump to bring manufacturing jobs back.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 07:20 AM

I cant wait for all the people who voted for trump thinking they would be better off under him, to finally get the message. NO CHANGE! NOTHING FOR THE BETTER. NO NEW HI-PAYING JOBS.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 07:56 AM

Binnie what is the attraction for you for Hillary? Because if trump had not won Hillary would have been president. I don't get it I would be very surprised if your not a conservative even as a democrat at our age.

I have respect for people's religion even if I am not religious. I don't like people telling me how to think and what to feel. I don't need anyone trying to tell me what to do I like being in control.

I think live and let live on most issues. Just don't shove the issue in my face if I don't agree with something.

I am a liberal when it comes to people abusing children. If I saw an adult hit a child on the street I would tell the adult to stop it. I don't mean just giving them a smack on the behind to get them to be listen. If they don't I would give the adult a smack in the face to see how they like it. i have done it in the past.

I just feel we should have something in common at our age.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 08:10 AM

Well, let's be honest, Binnie. They're going to blame Obama.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 08:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I cant wait for all the people who voted for trump thinking they would be better off under him, to finally get the message. NO CHANGE! NOTHING FOR THE BETTER. NO NEW HI-PAYING JOBS.


Why, has there been high paying jobs under the Obama administration ? There are still 94 million people unemployed.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 08:19 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Well, let's be honest, Binnie. They're going to blame Obama.


You did your fair share of blaming Bush, now it's your turn. We could supply the baby pacifiers if you want.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 09:00 PM

As of Saturday, Clinton had received 63,390,669 votes, while Trump received 61,820,845 votes -- a difference of 1,569,824, according to The AP.

Rounded off to whole numbers, that translates to 48 percent vs. 47 percent.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 09:06 PM

Trump promised to bring back good paying manufacturing jobs. Obama never did any such thing.

It is really sad what Trump did to these white voters in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio. It should be criminal. It might be the single biggest lie in the history of U.S. presidential campaigns, and it was bought hook, line and sinker. The loss of manufacturing jobs in these regions were devastating. To promise bringing them back is to tease a desperate, confused segment of the population. It's cruel. A false prophet and his desperate believers. That is the story of the Trump presidency, which will hopefully be a quick 4 years.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 09:18 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Trump promised to bring back good paying manufacturing jobs. Obama never did any such thing.

It is really sad what Trump did to these white voters in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio. It should be criminal. It might be the single biggest lie in the history of U.S. presidential campaigns, and it was bought hook, line and sinker. The loss of manufacturing jobs in these regions were devastating. To promise bringing them back is to tease a desperate, confused segment of the population. It's cruel. A false prophet and his desperate believers. That is the story of the Trump presidency, which will hopefully be a quick 4 years.


May I remind you that Trump is not yet president and you are already complaining. Give him a chance to prove himself. You can always vote him out in four years time.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 09:27 PM

He is not going to keep his promise of bringing back the union manufacturing jobs. It is impossible. Your argument is like telling people to give him a chance if he'd promised to give everyone unicorns that could fly to outer space. His outlandish promises have already made his presidency a failure. It's already a sure thing.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 09:37 PM

You have to learn to relax. I do not want you to get stressed out. Trump will take care of you, don't worry be happy. Go watch the Hamilton show, that ought to put you in a good mood or better still Soros is offering protesting jobs; that will take all that frustration out.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 09:42 PM

He can't afford to get front row for any show on Broadway.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 09:43 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
As of Saturday, Clinton had received 63,390,669 votes, while Trump received 61,820,845 votes -- a difference of 1,569,824, according to The AP.

Rounded off to whole numbers, that translates to 48 percent vs. 47 percent.


How many dead people voted for Hillary?
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 09:46 PM

Good point even with the dead people voting, they couldn't beat Trump in the electoral votes.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/20/16 09:50 PM

Popular votes means nothing. The DNC(socialist party) is now a regional party and they will continue in decline.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/21/16 01:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: olivant
As of Saturday, Clinton had received 63,390,669 votes, while Trump received 61,820,845 votes -- a difference of 1,569,824, according to The AP.

Rounded off to whole numbers, that translates to 48 percent vs. 47 percent.


How many dead people voted for Hillary?


foots, we do have something in common, we are old I'm 75, and I'm not for Hillary, but against the reps who want to take away my social security, and medi-care.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/21/16 01:52 AM

I am around your age as you know. I heard trump he will do nothing that would effect social security. Did Obama give a cost of living increase I don't think he did.

I think obama care would have effect on SS in the future. If trump had not won.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/21/16 02:23 AM

Lots of Wall Street guys among Trump's list for financial regulatory positions. Won't bode well for SS.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/21/16 06:15 AM

@footreads

weed nowadays is chemically induced so it's more potent

medical weed is so strong that it should be criminal

some medical weed smokes like it's laced.....a scary high


@to the thread


trump is going to be a disaster

some fuck with a mail-order-bride for a wife shouldn't be president
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/21/16 09:36 AM

Cook did you see trump's wife smile

There is a show on tv now about mail order brides. For some reason my wife watches them the girl from Russia are much better looking then their perspective American husbands.

But evidently they have no idea how people with money live here. They hooked poor very low middle class men that have no money to speak of it's pretty funny.

At least his wife got the right guy.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/21/16 09:41 AM

Speaking of tv shows I kind of like the two shows about guys in Alaska.

One family wanted to stock up on fish for the winter. They all go fishing, but the elder made sure they all knew where his rifle was in case a bear showed up while they are doing it. smile

I say buy the fucking fish.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 03:09 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
And, again, the popular vote certainly wouldn't suggest that the country rejects Obama's legacy. If Trump were to surpass Obama's numbers in more than just two swing states, I might believe something like that. But the numbers just don't back it up. Trump won a popularity contest with Hillary Clinton in states like Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania, nothing more. And Trump would get destroyed by Barack Obama in an election.


The electoral college isn't going anywhere. You need two thirds of the senate and 3/4ths of the states. Most of the country's electorate is republican at the state level (33/34 out of 50 governors, 67 of 98 state house and senate chambers) and now at the federal level. Plus the 2018 midterm election map is really bad for the Democrats.

The only states with firm democratic control are in places like New York, Mass, and California. The ONLY reason HIllary is winning the popular vote is because she is running up the score in those places.

I think its really hypocritical for the Democrats to now be crying about the electoral college when anyone who is anyone in politics has been saying since 08 the electoral map favors democrats. Of course, those same commentators never predicted that States like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania where republicans haven't won since the 80's would go for a republican.

As far as Obama, he was an excellent once in a lifetime candidate. He is the exception to the rule, not the rule. The democrats will not be able to come up with a candidate like him for a long time. That is not to say that they won't be able to win elections, it just won't be easy to duplicate what he did.
Posted By: olivant

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 03:54 AM

Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36


The electoral college isn't going anywhere. You need two thirds of the senate and 3/4ths of the states.


Two thirds of the Congress ... or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 07:02 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
He is not going to keep his promise of bringing back the union manufacturing jobs. It is impossible. Your argument is like telling people to give him a chance if he'd promised to give everyone unicorns that could fly to outer space. His outlandish promises have already made his presidency a failure. It's already a sure thing.
Nobody is naive enough to believe he is going to revive the Union jobs. The Unions are bad for business. That is why most major corporations located in Union areas adopted the so called "Southern Strategy". Let me tell you, it was a great move. Cost of living is low. Moral is high. Created thousands of jobs in my area for hard working law abiding people. Only downside.....we have to put up with Yankees that move down here to work. But I have found out surprisingly, they are just like Southerners without the funny accent. They just want to work to support their families. I admire them.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 07:12 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Trump promised to bring back good paying manufacturing jobs. Obama never did any such thing.

It is really sad what Trump did to these white voters in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio. It should be criminal. It might be the single biggest lie in the history of U.S. presidential campaigns, and it was bought hook, line and sinker. The loss of manufacturing jobs in these regions were devastating. To promise bringing them back is to tease a desperate, confused segment of the population. It's cruel. A false prophet and his desperate believers. That is the story of the Trump presidency, which will hopefully be a quick 4 years.


A false prophet? Promising Hope and Change to the American People with no real governing experience? Who are you talking about here Obama or Trump. It's the same really. You guys got roped in by Obama and name 3 things that he has done to bring about Hope and Change? We've been in the gutter for the last 8 years and a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Their cracking up thinking about how America is debating about males having the right to use females bathrooms. Y'all voted for Obama in 08 and 12. I didn't protest or burn the American flag or kneel for the National Anthem because I didn't get my may. Y'all voted for Obama, we have just as much right to be as stupid as y'all were and vote for Trump. You can only poke a bear so many times before you get mauled. "Insert picture of here of a ferocious looking Trump with Bear Claws"
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 07:53 AM

Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
The only states with firm democratic control are in places like New York, Mass, and California.


Where all of the people are. Go figure. All the more reason to put an end to the EC. At one time it served the purpose of giving the little farmer in the middle of nowhere a say, but today it's more often used to keep control in the hands of a group that doesn't come close to representing the majority of the country anymore, white male Christians.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 07:58 AM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
That is why most major corporations located in Union areas adopted the so called "Southern Strategy".


Big businesses locate wherever the labor is the cheapest and most abundant, in other words, where people are the most depraved and desperate. That's probably where the south comes in. The big businesses do not see the people living in these regions as actual people, they see them as a commodity. A cheap one. All that would stop companies from this exploitative tactic is unions.

As far as the rust belt states not believing Trump is going to bring back the good paying, full time manufacturing jobs (which don't exist without unions), you might want to reexamine some of his campaign promises.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 08:00 AM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
We've been in the gutter for the last 8 years


No, we were in the gutter under Bush. We were in the worst recession since the Great Depression, and, Obama got us out of it.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 08:22 PM

Donald Trump’s Foundation Engaged in Self-Dealing, IRS Filing Shows

Foundation’s 2015 tax return reports payments to foundation insiders


http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump...hows-1479829984
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 09:03 PM

just to remind you he is now the POTUS. it makes no difference now what he does, everything is behind him now, he WILL do anything he wants to do and nobody will say squat. he has a republican senate and house.

the man is virtually untouchable. deal with it!
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 09:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
just to remind you he is now the POTUS. it makes no difference now what he does, everything is behind him now, he WILL do anything he wants to do and nobody will say squat. he has a republican senate and house.

the man is virtually untouchable. deal with it!


Hmm....the leader is above the laws? That seems almost like a dictatorship wink

Is that what we are now?

And if we are, then it's really time for the revolution. Check your ammo and watch your 6.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 10:16 PM

The GOP taught us that you can sue a president you don't like. Fortunately we still have a very democratic system, at least on paper, and there are plenty of ways to keep the real estate pimp in check, even without the filibuster.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/22/16 11:51 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: yatescj7
We've been in the gutter for the last 8 years


No, we were in the gutter under Bush. We were in the worst recession since the Great Depression, and, Obama got us out of it.



america will realize how decent of a job that obama did when trump is tanking the country and getting us blown off the map
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: yatescj7
We've been in the gutter for the last 8 years


No, we were in the gutter under Bush. We were in the worst recession since the Great Depression, and, Obama got us out of it.



america will realize how decent of a job that obama did when trump is tanking the country and getting us blown off the map


http://www.allenbwest.com/michellejesse/stock-market-hits-new-high-cnn-finally-admits

CNN finally admits stock markets hits new highs on account of Trump lol
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 03:10 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36


The electoral college isn't going anywhere. You need two thirds of the senate and 3/4ths of the states.


Two thirds of the Congress ... or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States


I don't think that's correct.I think two/thirds of both houses and approved by 3/4ths of the states.

Either way, its not going to happen any time soon. The republicans control most of the states in this country and the house and the senate.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 03:17 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
The only states with firm democratic control are in places like New York, Mass, and California.


Where all of the people are. Go figure. All the more reason to put an end to the EC. At one time it served the purpose of giving the little farmer in the middle of nowhere a say, but today it's more often used to keep control in the hands of a group that doesn't come close to representing the majority of the country anymore, white male Christians.


I find it funny that the democrats, who complained that trump wasn't going to accept the result are now the ones not accepting the result and complaining about it. It's childish behavior. It's being a sore loser. Hate the player, not the game.

Trump is the president. You can keep fighting but i would suggest the democrats re-tool. Keeping people like Nancy Pelosi as the head of the party is not a good move. In 2020, the electoral college will exist, and the Democrats are going to have to find a way to win it.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 03:40 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
just to remind you he is now the POTUS. it makes no difference now what he does, everything is behind him now, he WILL do anything he wants to do and nobody will say squat. he has a republican senate and house.

the man is virtually untouchable. deal with it!


Hmm....the leader is above the laws? That seems almost like a dictatorship wink

Is that what we are now?

And if we are, then it's really time for the revolution. Check your ammo and watch your 6.



lest you forget, the viet nam war millons were against it, much of congress was against it, huge demonstrations started in 65- continued in 1970 until Nixon had kids murdered at kent st. then it lasted 5 more yrs, bush's war started in 2001, its 2016 still going on.

point....... nobody is going to revolt, they will get shot down in the street. GET REAL !!
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 03:40 AM

"It's childish behavior"

"Hate the player, not the game"
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 03:44 AM

I share your cynicism, Binnie. But I wonder what would happen if everyone refused to enlist into the military. Would they impose a draft? That would at least force a lot more middle to upper middle class people to fight (I'm sure the rich would still find a way out of it), as opposed to the disproportion of poor people who serve now. General strikes could be an effective tool, a trick we've never really tried here in the States.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 03:49 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
"It's childish behavior"

"Hate the player, not the game"


Way to come back with the stereotypical smug, rich, white liberal response.

I can only assume that you represent the best and the brightest of your state. I say that not at all sarcastically.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 04:07 AM

oak, while I respect your posts as much as everyones else's I feel you are engaged in wishful thinking. take it from an old man who was young in the sixties. the rich run this country always have always will. you think comey giving this election to trump wasn't all planned out? did lydon Johnson respect the constitution when the dog went to war? did bush? you talk about dictators, what do you call it when presidents start wars, and tell the people and congress TO SHOVE IT !
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 04:51 AM

Binnie, I'm not sure where I ever said that the rich don't run this country. I'm not sure anyone isn't aware of it these days, except for some of these Trump voters who really think rural whites run it based on Trump's victory.

My point about general strikes, particularly against the military or a military draft, is a "what if". I don't harbor any beliefs that it would actually happen. I'm aware of Kent State, but there at least was a public political action taking place. What would our government do if everyone just refused to join the military? Would they just start dragging people out of their homes at gun point? Just something I like to ponder for the sake of discussion, that's all.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 05:36 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: yatescj7
That is why most major corporations located in Union areas adopted the so called "Southern Strategy".


Big businesses locate wherever the labor is the cheapest and most abundant, in other words, where people are the most depraved and desperate. That's probably where the south comes in. The big businesses do not see the people living in these regions as actual people, they see them as a commodity. A cheap one. All that would stop companies from this exploitative tactic is unions.

As far as the rust belt states not believing Trump is going to bring back the good paying, full time manufacturing jobs (which don't exist without unions), you might want to reexamine some of his campaign promises.


They can see me as a 5 headed unicorn if they want. As long as their lining my pockets year in and year out I coudn't care less.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 05:41 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: yatescj7
We've been in the gutter for the last 8 years


No, we were in the gutter under Bush. We were in the worst recession since the Great Depression, and, Obama got us out of it.


Obama did nothing. We are still not out of it. Obama burdened us coming out of it with programs like Obamacare which further burdened the economy and prolonged the recession. We're about to bounce back tenfold now. January 2017 baby.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 05:48 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I share your cynicism, Binnie. But I wonder what would happen if everyone refused to enlist into the military. Would they impose a draft? That would at least force a lot more middle to upper middle class people to fight (I'm sure the rich would still find a way out of it), as opposed to the disproportion of poor people who serve now. General strikes could be an effective tool, a trick we've never really tried here in the States.


Do you know why we've never really tried to refuse to enlist and it would never happen? Because a majority of Americans are patriotic and still love this country and will fight for it. It's evident that many Americans feel this way because....well...look who we elected President. But I do hope people keep trying to push the politically correct, left wing liberal view upon America because it's really starting to swing in our favor. So I hope Rachel Maddow and Company keep up the good work. Trump will be re-elected as long as Maddow is still pushing her left wing view in 2020.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 05:57 AM

We're not in a recession right now. The last recession ended in June of 2009. Obama inherited it, from Bush, and ended it.

I think you missed my point about military service. I'm responding to Binnie's point that our government will go to war whenever they like, and the people will just go along with it. What if the people didn't? Just a question. That's all.

As far as the majority of Americans being willing to fight for this country, I'm sure we wouldn't have had the recruitment issues we did during the Iraq War if that were the case. That's why I told Binnie that a draft would be interesting. Finally a lot of these war hawks who want war but don't want to serve in them might have to.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 06:04 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
We're not in a recession right now. The last recession ended in June of 2009. Obama inherited it, from Bush, and ended it.

I think you missed my point about military service. I'm responding to Binnie's point that our government will go to war whenever they like, and the people will just go along with it. What if the people didn't? Just a question. That's all.

As far as the majority of Americans being willing to fight for this country, I'm sure we wouldn't have had the recruitment issues we did during the Iraq War if that were the case. That's why I told Binnie that a draft would be interesting. Finally a lot of these war hawks who want war but don't want to serve in them might have to.



You really believe the recession ended in June 2009? Obama worked quick his first six month didn't he? What did he do to bring us out if you actually believe that is the case, which I can tell you as a working guy we are not out of it. Not yet. Please don't bring up the "jobs saved or created" data because we all know that was a load of horse shit. Only 7 percent of counties in the United States have bounced back to their pre-Recession peak by the end of 2015.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 06:50 AM

It's not a matter of what anyone believes. The recession ended in June of 2009. That's simply a fact. Maybe you're talking about a recession in another country, or maybe you're just imagining we're in one here. Either way, there is no recession in the United States. The last one was 7 years ago.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 07:02 AM

oak, I don't think a draft would work, the only way it could work if they paid the draftees much more than they could working, if they can't get a job, join up.

I would hate to see us get involved heavily in the middle east, and have thousands, upon thousands, of boots on the ground and if it came to draft resisters, yes, they would drag them out of their homes,either fight or go to a labor camp for 20 yrs.

trump would for sure punish draft resisters at guantonamo, he's for torture. would he torture American citizens to get his way? the day is coming where even critizing him on the internet will be forbidden. you just watch!!
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 07:11 AM

Nah, I don't think that's going to happen, Binnie. I don't even think Trump will be a two term president. Look at the popular vote results. A lot of people stayed home and didn't vote this year. That won't happen next time.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 07:16 AM

oak, I hope you are right!
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 07:24 AM

Hillary would beat Donald in 2020, but I wish Michelle Obama would run. People talk about inspiring candidates. Her convention speech was among the greatest ever, in either party.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 07:42 AM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: yatescj7
We've been in the gutter for the last 8 years


No, we were in the gutter under Bush. We were in the worst recession since the Great Depression, and, Obama got us out of it.


Obama did nothing. We are still not out of it. Obama burdened us coming out of it with programs like Obamacare which further burdened the economy and prolonged the recession. We're about to bounce back tenfold now. January 2017 baby.



u do realize that u just acknowledged bush
is the reason our country is in shambles

if Obamacare is the only thing you can use to illustrate how bad of a president obama is then you aint got much
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 07:46 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
The only states with firm democratic control are in places like New York, Mass, and California.


Where all of the people are. Go figure. All the more reason to put an end to the EC. At one time it served the purpose of giving the little farmer in the middle of nowhere a say, but today it's more often used to keep control in the hands of a group that doesn't come close to representing the majority of the country anymore, white male Christians.



right they cant find a mothafucka to say two good words about trump in the media because all his supporters are harvesting crops
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 09:49 AM

The media is fucked up.

I knew people after they died the newspaper said how good they were. It was funny you knew the guy was a prick and they saying what a good guy he was.

I made a post how Bill was a good president because he was a pragmatist. He had no core beliefs like his wife. So he could work with both sides of the isle especially the republicans.

Trump is just like bill he believes in nothing and he is a pragmatist and he is a democrat not a republican.

I really think rich democrats are full of shit because they already got there's. They can say anything and they do.

I think the economy will get better under him. People see that they will vote for him more then before. Will he live longer then 74 probably. He doesn't think old that helps. Some of us old guys think we will never die.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 11:14 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
. I'm aware of Kent State, but there at least was a public political action taking place. What would our government do if everyone just refused to join the military? Would they just start dragging people out of their homes at gun point? Just something I like to ponder for the sake of discussion, that's all.


I've always found it odd that we all know about Kent state, but people rarely mention the killings at Jackson state, 4 days later, or at South Carolina state in 68.


Of course, none of these incidents were the first time the government killed innocent civilians without justification, as many coal miners and laborers can attest. Hell, they even sent the army to fire on the Bonus Army during the depression, killing 2 vets. So much for respecting the troops...
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 11:21 AM

Oak still can't explain why Hillary deserves to be President after making about a thousand comments on the subject, only why Donald shouldn't be.

There were dead voters and mail carriers caught throwing away early voter ballots registered to Republican voters. Who's to say how many did it without getting caught. Also, leaving a voting booth open after the time allowed in a heavily democratic area.

Without an electoral college all you can have is voter fraud. Besides, Democrats believe in super delegates and so they believe in an electoral college vote. Until they lose by their own rules that is..

Oh, and wasn't Hillary Clinton's dear friend and mentor, Robert Byrd, a klansman?

Maybe the libtards should stop drawing false inferences about David Duke's unwanted support of Trump, because it cuts both ways.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 12:15 PM

@footreads

i know people that died and they only got two measly sentences describing the story

the media divides the country so they aint shit. politicians are almost as crooked as lawyers.

Clinton, Bush, and Barack Obama have one thing n common and that's that u respect them no matter how u felt about them.

nobody respects the donald and most importantly NO FOREIGN COUNTRY FEARS HIM


@moetilden

donald trump ain't a plocitican

a man with no political experience shouldn't be the leader of the free world. expecially some Vindictive coke head that was handed his life on a silver platter and wants people to think he earned his money the hard way
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 01:34 PM

The people that voted for him respect him.

So what you think that the people do that don't respect him start a war?

Because they think that people that do won't fight back?

First of all liberal white don't have the balls to do it. All they can do is talk.

People of color may want to if they do they do. They won't win if that happens. Know why no one gives his life up if they don't feel it life or dead.

I think that is why obama won the second time around. People were afraid there would be a race war if he was not elected.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 02:47 PM

Did anyone see the rich, white snowflake oak on tucker Carlson last night?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CVcKsecg2Uk
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 05:54 PM

@footreads

most of the people that voted for Trump dont respect themselves. hardcore maniacs and pure racist arent the most respectable people. trump is going to lead us into some kind of war or get suckered into a war
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 06:58 PM

Cook, I posted in the news section, computer scientists pointing out a significantly higher number of ballot regularities in swing states than other states. They're urging Hillary to demand a recount. Doubt she will.

I think Trump is one and done anyway. He's a fad. As I said earlier, Hillary should run again in 2020. She would beat him. Easily. Nobody would stay home this time. I think a lot of people who did stay home just thought there were enough Hillary voters to make up for it. They won't make that mistake again.

I would like to see Michelle Obama run someday. Her convention speech was up there with any speech delivered by Kennedy or FDR.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 07:01 PM

Great. Elect another person whose sole qualification to run is having a marriage of convenience with someone who was President.

And the reason people didn't go to the polls is because they didn't like either candidate.

It isn't a one way street.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 07:22 PM

lol. Is there still a qualification to be president after Trump won? I don't think there's any standards anymore.

Michelle Obama is far more qualified than Trump. Princeton grad with a Juris Doctor from Harvard. Meanwhile in Trump you have a trust fund baby with a record of going bankrupt and borrowing more money. Not to mention Michelle Obama's character and morals. She's a better person than Trump. Comes from a better family.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 07:37 PM

Oak, are you upset that you won't be getting that $15/hr at your McDonald's job? Is that why you wanted Hillary so badly?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 07:41 PM

edit.

I generalized an entire region of the country, and it wasn't nice. Trying to avoid that kind of discourse.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 07:55 PM

More advanced states? Let me guess, whatever state you live in must be light years beyond where I live. I can't understand why you can't stomach your defeat and hope the best for our country. When Obama won both times, I was able to say fuck it. Better luck next time, but hopefully he does a good job. You Hillary supporters are a bunch of sore losers, which is a poor quality for anyone to have.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 08:00 PM

What region were you generalizing? I'm from FL, and I can make it anywhere. You have to have an open mind. Life is what you make of it, no matter where you're from.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 10:06 PM

Anyone who hopes the best for our country would want Donald Trump out of the White House asap.

And, on that note, you should have supported Obama, because he was the right candidate. Same reason you should have voted for Hillary this year.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 10:44 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Anyone who hopes the best for our country would want Donald Trump out of the White House asap.

And, on that note, you should have supported Obama, because he was the right candidate. Same reason you should have voted for Hillary this year.



oak what you have just said is what I really hate let people believe in what they want saying he "has to" support Obama no he doesn't he is free to think the way he wants even if you disagree with him I always respect peoples opinions even if I disagree with them. Oak you don't know the answers to the world this sort of attitude is a major reason in Trump winning

Plus differnent people will have different perspecitves on what makes a good leader Trumps actions as a leader will probably disgust you oak and you hav your reasons to others he will be a great leader.

You also said Clinton would win by a landslide now your saying Trump will lose in 2020 now you could be right oak but I wouldent be so confident and to be honest who knows what the world will look like in four years because the next few years are going to be big ones all over the world things are changing I honestly believe the political situation of the world could be a completely different place in 4 years



watch this video oak by Jonanthen pie he is a liberal and he explains why she lost watch and listen carefully oak your part of the problem at the moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/23/16 10:50 PM

Not sure who's in the video, but I'm guessing they can learn a thing or two from me.

Trump squeaked by this time. Probably cheated. Stories starting to come out on that now. He won't get a second term.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 01:49 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
. I'm aware of Kent State, but there at least was a public political action taking place. What would our government do if everyone just refused to join the military? Would they just start dragging people out of their homes at gun point? Just something I like to ponder for the sake of discussion, that's all.


I've always found it odd that we all know about Kent state, but people rarely mention the killings at Jackson state, 4 days later, or at South Carolina state in 68.


Of course, none of these incidents were the first time the government killed innocent civilians without justification, as many coal miners and laborers can attest. Hell, they even sent the army to fire on the Bonus Army during the depression, killing 2 vets. So much for respecting the troops...




I'm well aware of what happened to the bonus marchers when they camped out in Washington, it was gen. doug mccarther that rode in on a white horse and ran them out. and I know of the national guard units who killed miners who were strikers in Idaho, and how the mayor of S.F. called in the national guard to shoot strikers in that city. or rockefellers mines in Ludlow colo. where women and children were burned alive while wanting a union. or henry fords private army shooting strikers at ford motor company. we have quite a history of action against those who challenge authority.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 06:53 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Cook, I posted in the news section, computer scientists pointing out a significantly higher number of ballot regularities in swing states than other states. They're urging Hillary to demand a recount. Doubt she will.

I think Trump is one and done anyway. He's a fad. As I said earlier, Hillary should run again in 2020. She would beat him. Easily. Nobody would stay home this time. I think a lot of people who did stay home just thought there were enough Hillary voters to make up for it. They won't make that mistake again.

I would like to see Michelle Obama run someday. Her convention speech was up there with any speech delivered by Kennedy or FDR.


Here we go. The election was rigged. Trump was saying it and they absolutely ridiculed him for it. Yet, Hillary loses and what are the Liberals saying now? Oh, Trump was right, the election was rigged? Jeez. Keep it up though. Pushing that PC crap down Americans throats for the last 8 years got you Trump. Keep the ball rolling we will have Republican Presidents for the next 30 years.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 06:56 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Not sure who's in the video, but I'm guessing they can learn a thing or two from me.

Trump squeaked by this time. Probably cheated. Stories starting to come out on that now. He won't get a second term.


Easy on predictions buddy. They laughed like hell at Ann Coulter for predicting Trump had the best chance to win the election. Unless you like the taste of crow, be careful on your prediction or you might have a second helping like all these "educated liberals".................https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGiQSrlush8

LOL Im still laughing my ass off.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 06:58 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@footreads

most of the people that voted for Trump dont respect themselves. hardcore maniacs and pure racist arent the most respectable people. trump is going to lead us into some kind of war or get suckered into a war


Like the Democratic President suckered us into Vietnam? All I hear is you guys mention Nixon and Kent State. Don't forget Democratic President LBJ who signed the Civil Rights Bill also was responsible for the U.S. War in Vietnam. Hate to break it to you guys.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 07:06 AM

Originally Posted By: gangstereport
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Anyone who hopes the best for our country would want Donald Trump out of the White House asap.

And, on that note, you should have supported Obama, because he was the right candidate. Same reason you should have voted for Hillary this year.



oak what you have just said is what I really hate let people believe in what they want saying he "has to" support Obama no he doesn't he is free to think the way he wants even if you disagree with him I always respect peoples opinions even if I disagree with them. Oak you don't know the answers to the world this sort of attitude is a major reason in Trump winning

Plus differnent people will have different perspecitves on what makes a good leader Trumps actions as a leader will probably disgust you oak and you hav your reasons to others he will be a great leader.

You also said Clinton would win by a landslide now your saying Trump will lose in 2020 now you could be right oak but I wouldent be so confident and to be honest who knows what the world will look like in four years because the next few years are going to be big ones all over the world things are changing I honestly believe the political situation of the world could be a completely different place in 4 years



watch this video oak by Jonanthen pie he is a liberal and he explains why she lost watch and listen carefully oak your part of the problem at the moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs


You hit the nail on the head. They are open minded, inclusive, everybody should matter. Unless you disagree with them, then you are an uneducated racists who doesn't know what they are talking about and are not on their level in their advanced way of thinking. But, it's okay. Let them keep it up, we will have Republicans for the next 30 years at this rate. Look what the last 8 years brought us. Trump as President with a majority in the House and Senate. And I thought Obama did nothing but harm to the country. I was wrong.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 07:09 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Not sure who's in the video, but I'm guessing they can learn a thing or two from me.

Trump squeaked by this time. Probably cheated. Stories starting to come out on that now. He won't get a second term.


You're right Oak, everybody can learn a thing or two from you. Please keep up with your posts and tell everyone you can about your views. Please please do. It's working out so good for us. Keep up the good work buddy.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 07:11 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Not sure who's in the video, but I'm guessing they can learn a thing or two from me.

Trump squeaked by this time. Probably cheated. Stories starting to come out on that now. He won't get a second term.


Watch the video oak and judge

You dident listen to a thimg I said did you?

Oak so you can predict the future now as well? I thought Clinton was going to win by a landslide
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 07:24 AM

He's a liberal GR, He doesn't listen to anyone, he knows better than anyone because liberals are better educated and more open minded. If you want to see something funny go to YouTube and look at all the experts that pissed their pants laughing about Trump getting elected. Even Obama had fun saying Trump would NEVER be President.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 12:59 PM

Liberals might be better educated. My daughter is a liberal or a communist I can't figure out which maybe both.

She went to Columbia university with a semester in a college in Germany. Graduated in 4 yrs with honors.

Her father who did not graduate from HS got thrown out in senior year for assaulting a fellow student who I thought stole a text book from me. Yet still was able to pay for that high priced education. Who can't spell as you can see.

My advice to all don't send your kids to the Ivy League they all think their shit don't stink and their teachers are fucked up people.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 04:18 PM

Hey happy thanksgiving best New I had happen a few days ago. The USSF finally got smart and fired Jurgen Klinnesmann the manager of the US national team. Now all that left is fired the bozo who hired him in the first place.

Bruce Arena I believe has been hired to replace him.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 05:01 PM

Liberals are such sore losers. If they want recounts in swing states we want to see how many felons, illegals and dead people voted throughout the country. That's one can of worms democrats do not want to open.

Democrats are going to regret this temper tantrum when the republicans get the filibuster proof majority in 2018. You wanted something to cry about, we will give you something to cry about.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/24/16 07:34 PM

lol. Happy Thanksgiving, guys. Try to enjoy it. And by doing so you might want to get used to the Trump bashing. Nobody likes him and he stole the election. Hillary 2020!
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/25/16 04:03 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
lol. Happy Thanksgiving, guys. Try to enjoy it. And by doing so you might want to get used to the Trump bashing. Nobody likes him and he stole the election. Hillary 2020!


Damn Russian hackers. On a side note, even more people disliked Hillary which is why Trump is OUR new President. Hillary won't even be alive in 2020.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/25/16 05:10 PM

I hope that Hillary is the nominee in 2020.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/25/16 07:08 PM

No need to even have an election. They can just investigate the computer ballots in this one and allow the black voters who were turned away, and Hillary wins in a landslide.
Posted By: Dwalin2011

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/25/16 08:41 PM

I have never been to the USA, so don't really have a good idea about Trump and Clinton, apart from the comments I read in newspapers and forums, so usually I don't comment, but still, I got the impression that only very, very few people genuinely like either of them, even among their own supporters, who vote them only because consider one of them being the "lesser evil" than the other. Towards the end of the election I thought Trump would be the lesser evil, if the things written about Hillary were at least 50% true, but after Trump got elected I read some things that definitely make him no better than her in my eyes. Still, I wouldn't be happy if next time Hillary gets elected.

Don't people think that it would have been better if both parties just put forward more "presentable" characters as candidates? I don't know much about American politicians, but probably anyone would do (unless they want to start new wars or if they think that protecting the natural environment isn't a priority). At least in USA I think there are no Cosa Nostra or other criminal organization made members in politics....Although even somebody not made can theoretically do more damage than any mafia, but that would be another discussion.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/25/16 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
I have never been to the USA, so don't really have a good idea about Trump and Clinton, apart from the comments I read in newspapers and forums, so usually I don't comment, but still, I got the impression that only very, very few people genuinely like either of them, even among their own supporters, who vote them only because consider one of them being the "lesser evil" than the other. Towards the end of the election I thought Trump would be the lesser evil, if the things written about Hillary were at least 50% true, but after Trump got elected I read some things that definitely make him no better than her in my eyes. Still, I wouldn't be happy if next time Hillary gets elected.

Don't people think that it would have been better if both parties just put forward more "presentable" characters as candidates? I don't know much about American politicians, but probably anyone would do (unless they want to start new wars or if they think that protecting the natural environment isn't a priority). At least in USA I think there are no Cosa Nostra or other criminal organization made members in politics....Although even somebody not made can theoretically do more damage than any mafia, but that would be another discussion.


I agree not much good would come out of either of them but me and you dwalin we don't live in the US our views on what is normal will differ greatly from them even still respect trump and clinton supporters views most people over here think the US is crazy lol but who are we to judge we don't live there i have no idea domestically who will be better candidate my advice to the US would be to unite and start acting like one nation but then again who am i to say what they should do.My interest is in US foreign in policy that does affect us

he will end up being president I don't believe there was any hacking typical US excuse blame the Russians lol normal US excuse for everything Russains do the same US are too blame for all world problems in there eyes maybe I will be wrong we will have to see what happenes
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/25/16 09:49 PM

Take it from Trump himself on election day.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/796102093727793152
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/25/16 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Take it from Trump himself on election day.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/796102093727793152


oak i don't think its going to happen i will be shocked if it does and i mean shocked but then again i don't really know what to believe anymore 2016 has been a crazy year
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/25/16 10:37 PM

You don't think what's going to happen?
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/25/16 11:04 PM

http://www.allenbwest.com/matt-palumbo/people-noticing-something-odd-hillarys-recent-photos

Hillary Clinton caught in another lie.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/25/16 11:11 PM

That's top grade stuff, there. That ought to sink the Clintons forever...
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 12:13 AM

In a way, this is what Trump gets. He was one to complain about the electoral college and now he won because of it. Lol. Then he spent all that time complaining about a rigged election and now the tables have turned. It's hard to feel sorry for him there.

I happen to think all the crying about the electoral college is silly and a bit ignorant. The contest was always to try winning the electoral college in those key swing states, not to win the popular vote. Otherwise, why spend time and resources campaigning in smaller swing states? People just don't get it. Even Trump himself doesn't quite get it.

I guess all the people crying actually have high expectations for politicians. My expectations are as low as possible so I guess that makes me at peace with whatever the outcome.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 12:47 AM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
In a way, this is what Trump gets. He was one to complain about the electoral college and now he's won because of it. Lol. Then he spent all that time complaining about a rigged election and now the tables have turned. It's hard to feel sorry for him there.

I happen to think all the crying about the electoral college is silly and a bit ignorant. The contest was always to try winning the electoral college in those key swing states, not to win the popular vote. Otherwise, why spend time and resources campaigning in smaller swing states? People just don't get it. Even Trump himself doesn't quite get it.

I guess all the people crying actually have high expectations for politicians. My expectations are as low as possible so I guess that makes me at peace with whatever the outcome.


Every presidency is won by electoral votes
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 12:48 AM

Trumps electoral votes keeps getting higher and higher it's over 300 now.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 01:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
In a way, this is what Trump gets. He was one to complain about the electoral college and now he's won because of it. Lol. Then he spent all that time complaining about a rigged election and now the tables have turned. It's hard to feel sorry for him there.

I happen to think all the crying about the electoral college is silly and a bit ignorant. The contest was always to try winning the electoral college in those key swing states, not to win the popular vote. Otherwise, why spend time and resources campaigning in smaller swing states? People just don't get it. Even Trump himself doesn't quite get it.

I guess all the people crying actually have high expectations for politicians. My expectations are as low as possible so I guess that makes me at peace with whatever the outcome.


Every presidency is won by electoral votes


Yes I'm aware. I also happen to believe it's preferable over the popular vote. Just ironic how Trump himself is against the electoral college system.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 03:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo


From what it sounds like, the complaint about "possible" hacking stems from a statistical anomaly. That's it. They don't have anything solid to go on to suspect that an outside actor penetrated the voting machine computers.


Then what was Trump raving about on election day when he swore it was rigged?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 11:15 AM

Funny I don't remember him complaining about anything on Election Day especially at the end. I remember Hillary voters crying on that day.

Don't you find people who actually cry as weak willed people.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 11:41 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo


From what it sounds like, the complaint about "possible" hacking stems from a statistical anomaly. That's it. They don't have anything solid to go on to suspect that an outside actor penetrated the voting machine computers.


Then what was Trump raving about on election day when he swore it was rigged?


"What difference does it make"...........Hillary Clinton.lol
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 12:29 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/26/americas/fidel-castro-obit/

Big loss for the Democrats.Their mentor/hero Fidel Castro has died.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 12:49 PM

I suppose Obama will go to Cuba to honor the communist. Maybe we can send Oak to praise him as well.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 12:53 PM

I second that motion.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 06:34 PM

I'd like to hear Oak's rebuttal to the facts presented in this documentary.

Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 07:25 PM

Hey they just tried to make a little cash because they were poor after Clinton stopped being president. smile
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 08:35 PM

You know what democrats are doing now they are attacking Baron trumps son. Low life dogs they are calling him austistic.

Austism is the hardest thing to diagnose and they want to do it on a kid that has been up all day and night when his father became president just by looking at him.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 09:46 PM


Hillary's America: The secret history of the Democratic party by
Dinesh D'Souza is a good movie to watch.
You get to learn what the Democratic party is all about.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 09:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
You know what democrats are doing now they are attacking Baron trumps son. Low life dogs they are calling him austistic.

Austism is the hardest thing to diagnose and they want to do it on a kid that has been up all day and night when his father became president just by looking at him.


This is not new,remember they also attacked the Palin family autistic kid. That is disgusting.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 10:18 PM

Foots, it was on election day that Trump claimed there were problems with voting machines.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/796102093727793152

Jill Stein's just following his lead.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/26/16 10:41 PM

If Jill Stein were out of the race Hillary could of won. Jill makes Hillary lose and then she wants a recount. Makes no sense, all she wants is her 15 mins. of fame. Mind you she should run again in 2020 to split the vote.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 01:00 AM

Well, like I said, she's only following Trump's lead. It is on record that he was the FIRST to claim there were problems with the voting machines. Trump's a smart guy. He knew what he was talking about. Didn't he?
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 02:44 AM

Oak.

My condolences on your loss. Wherever he is, Fidel is burning.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 02:50 AM

Fidel hasn't been in charge for a decade. Cuba began to open its doors to capitalism years ago. An old man died in Cuba yesterday, basically.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 03:03 AM

Alright, I'll take the bait on Castro.

Is dying at 90 really some sort of losing result? What sort of god punishes someone by letting them make it to 90? What's the message there?

Look at the assassination attempts by the CIA. The mafia. Operation Mongoose. Operation Family Jewels.

Castro outlived all of them.

His rebels annihilated a U.S. backed regime. He was never killed or captured for it.

Socialism didn't take hold (at least not for the poor...), but Fidel Castro outfoxed ALL of his enemies.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 03:18 AM

Nothing has changed in Cuba. His brother, who is currently in charge, is a more brutal dictator than Fidel was at the end of his reign. Perhaps at his old age, Fidel lost the stomach killing political opponents, starving the Cuban people, and putting homosexuals in reeducation camps. Think Danny Glover in lethal weapon, "I'm too old for this shit.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 03:44 AM

Oak it sounds you admire Castro smile

Ask your parents about this did Castro want the Russians to nuke the US from Cuba during the blockade?
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 04:15 AM

Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
Nothing has changed in Cuba. His brother, who is currently in charge, is a more brutal dictator than Fidel was at the end of his reign. Perhaps at his old age, Fidel lost the stomach killing political opponents, starving the Cuban people, and putting homosexuals in reeducation camps. Think Danny Glover in lethal weapon, "I'm too old for this shit.


cuba is no where the place where it used to be, I know people who have recently been there, they all say they had a positive visit, and would like to go back. it's 2016 not 1960.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 04:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
Nothing has changed in Cuba. His brother, who is currently in charge, is a more brutal dictator than Fidel was at the end of his reign. Perhaps at his old age, Fidel lost the stomach killing political opponents, starving the Cuban people, and putting homosexuals in reeducation camps. Think Danny Glover in lethal weapon, "I'm too old for this shit.


cuba is no where the place where it used to be, I know people who have recently been there, they all say they had a positive visit, and would like to go back. it's 2016 not 1960.


Government controlled trips. Trips in which you are allowed to see only what they want you to see. You don't get unbridled tourism on a trip to Cuba.

Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 05:18 AM

Dom, been to Cuba?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 09:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
Nothing has changed in Cuba. His brother, who is currently in charge, is a more brutal dictator than Fidel was at the end of his reign. Perhaps at his old age, Fidel lost the stomach killing political opponents, starving the Cuban people, and putting homosexuals in reeducation camps. Think Danny Glover in lethal weapon, "I'm too old for this shit.


cuba is no where the place where it used to be, I know people who have recently been there, they all say they had a positive visit, and would like to go back. it's 2016 not 1960.


The people that you know that went there how did they pay when they got their. How did they pay for their hotel rooms?

I have gone to a few places where they take only cash and nothing else.

Sent my oldest son to Boliva to train for football.i paid $2800 for a months stay. They live with local families no hotel. They pick you up and take you to the club.

The first week all they do is run no playing smile don't bring anything of value it will disappear.

He said the food was good. You have to watch your soccer stuff or that will disappear as well.

They have medical trainers at accedemy no doctors. In the town there is one doctor. So my advice is don't get hurt or your fucked.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 09:43 AM

Recount is going well now trump has 306 elector votes now haha. Keep counting baby.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Recount is going well now trump has 306 elector votes now haha. Keep counting baby.


Recount hasn't started yet. This should be scary for republicans. The democrats could very well steal this election. Yea, they probably won't win those three states, but by obstructing and objecting during the recount process, they could bring Trump's electoral total below 270.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Recount is going well now trump has 306 elector votes now haha. Keep counting baby.


Recount hasn't started yet. This should be scary for republicans. The democrats could very well steal this election. Yea, they probably won't win those three states, but by obstructing and objecting during the recount process, they could bring Trump's electoral total below 270.


its not happening he will end up as president I will be shocked and I mean really shocked if they do "steal" the election if it does happen I will have a good laugh I mean he was the guy saying the whole thing was rigged then he actually won lol but I don't see it happening
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 04:53 PM

The Clinton campaign is backing the recount having already conceded.

Maybe Donald should get that special prosecutor to investigate Hillary after all.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
Nothing has changed in Cuba. His brother, who is currently in charge, is a more brutal dictator than Fidel was at the end of his reign. Perhaps at his old age, Fidel lost the stomach killing political opponents, starving the Cuban people, and putting homosexuals in reeducation camps. Think Danny Glover in lethal weapon, "I'm too old for this shit.


cuba is no where the place where it used to be, I know people who have recently been there, they all say they had a positive visit, and would like to go back. it's 2016 not 1960.


Government controlled trips. Trips in which you are allowed to see only what they want you to see. You don't get unbridled tourism on a trip to Cuba.



when was the last time you visited?
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
Nothing has changed in Cuba. His brother, who is currently in charge, is a more brutal dictator than Fidel was at the end of his reign. Perhaps at his old age, Fidel lost the stomach killing political opponents, starving the Cuban people, and putting homosexuals in reeducation camps. Think Danny Glover in lethal weapon, "I'm too old for this shit.


cuba is no where the place where it used to be, I know people who have recently been there, they all say they had a positive visit, and would like to go back. it's 2016 not 1960.


Government controlled trips. Trips in which you are allowed to see only what they want you to see. You don't get unbridled tourism on a trip to Cuba.



when was the last time you visited?


Never. But I grew up near a community of Cuban expats and went to school with many Cuban Americans. I know alot of them who still have family in the country and say the regime is just as oppressive at it ever was.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 08:41 PM

Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Recount is going well now trump has 306 elector votes now haha. Keep counting baby.


Recount hasn't started yet. This should be scary for republicans. The democrats could very well steal this election. Yea, they probably won't win those three states, but by obstructing and objecting during the recount process, they could bring Trump's electoral total below 270.


How would they be stealing it if a recount shows that Hillary won? It would mean Trump tried to steal it, and they stopped him.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 08:45 PM

Oak still hasn't explained how Trump stole the election, why Clinton is a better candidate, what any of Clinton's policies are or refuted any of the facts presented in the Clinton Cash documentary I posted.

Until he does any of these things I demand he stop spamming this thread with banal rhetoric.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Oak still hasn't explained how Trump stole the election, why Clinton is a better candidate, what any of Clinton's policies are or refuted any of the facts presented in the Clinton Cash documentary I posted.

Until he does any of these things I demand he stop spamming this thread with banal rhetoric.


Lol at banal rhetoric.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/27/16 11:45 PM

banal rhetoric.... paul ryan wants to take away my medicare, and Medicaid, wants to take away my social security, hes quite clear with what he wants to do. I'm a senior I depend on my entitlements, after all I paid into them since I was 10 yrs old. its not banal rhetoric to a senior citizen.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 12:41 AM

Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Recount is going well now trump has 306 elector votes now haha. Keep counting baby.


Recount hasn't started yet. This should be scary for republicans. The democrats could very well steal this election. Yea, they probably won't win those three states, but by obstructing and objecting during the recount process, they could bring Trump's electoral total below 270.


There were a few states trump lost by less then 1 percent. They can recount those.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
banal rhetoric.... paul ryan wants to take away my medicare, and Medicaid, wants to take away my social security, hes quite clear with what he wants to do. I'm a senior I depend on my entitlements, after all I paid into them since I was 10 yrs old. its not banal rhetoric to a senior citizen.


That won't happen don't worry. Stop listen to the left they liars.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 01:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
banal rhetoric.... paul ryan wants to take away my medicare, and Medicaid, wants to take away my social security, hes quite clear with what he wants to do. I'm a senior I depend on my entitlements, after all I paid into them since I was 10 yrs old. its not banal rhetoric to a senior citizen.


Uh, he's never said any of that stuff
Posted By: thedudeabides87

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 02:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
when was the last time you visited?


Buddy of mine went earlier this year

http://nysmusic.com/2016/05/11/cabaret-a...c-goes-to-cuba/
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 03:31 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Alright, I'll take the bait on Castro.

Is dying at 90 really some sort of losing result? What sort of god punishes someone by letting them make it to 90? What's the message there?

Look at the assassination attempts by the CIA. The mafia. Operation Mongoose. Operation Family Jewels.

Castro outlived all of them.

His rebels annihilated a U.S. backed regime. He was never killed or captured for it.

Socialism didn't take hold (at least not for the poor...), but Fidel Castro outfoxed ALL of his enemies.


I agree. Castro outfoxed them all. Too bad the result is that Cuba still looks like an apocalyptic version of 1959. You want to know who Castro really is and what he stood for? Ask all the Cuban kids and grandchildren that live in Miami. They will tell you exactly who he was. A Socialist Dictator. A JV version of Hitler.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 03:44 AM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Alright, I'll take the bait on Castro.

Is dying at 90 really some sort of losing result? What sort of god punishes someone by letting them make it to 90? What's the message there?

Look at the assassination attempts by the CIA. The mafia. Operation Mongoose. Operation Family Jewels.

Castro outlived all of them.

His rebels annihilated a U.S. backed regime. He was never killed or captured for it.

Socialism didn't take hold (at least not for the poor...), but Fidel Castro outfoxed ALL of his enemies.


I agree. Castro outfoxed them all. Too bad the result is that Cuba still looks like an apocalyptic version of 1959. You want to know who Castro really is and what he stood for? Ask all the Cuban kids and grandchildren that live in Miami. They will tell you exactly who he was. A Socialist Dictator. A JV version of Hitler.



sounds like donald trump

he's already showed plenty signs that he plans on being a dictator
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 03:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
banal rhetoric.... paul ryan wants to take away my medicare, and Medicaid, wants to take away my social security, hes quite clear with what he wants to do. I'm a senior I depend on my entitlements, after all I paid into them since I was 10 yrs old. its not banal rhetoric to a senior citizen.


I don't recall either party or any candidates that want to take any benefits like that away from senior citizens. Don't know who sold you that lie, but I am sorry you fell for it. No party or candidate would do that. If that was an issue they promote they would be dead in the water. Every person of every political view,every race, gender, and creed have an old person in the family that they want to die soon, but would like the government to pay their way until they croak, trust me. They are more than likely talking about taking government benefits for able working deadheads that are lazy and don't want to work. Not Senior Citizens.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 04:50 AM

Donald Trump resembles Fidel Castro more than any president (or president elect) in U.S. history.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 05:01 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Donald Trump resembles Fidel Castro more than any president (or president elect) in U.S. history.


Thought you had a better response in you Oak. No reasons, just a bland comeback. I am surprised you didn't have a stronger comeback, but I am extremely happy the liberals have nothing more to offer. I now know the US is about to finally come out of the fog. Thanks.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 05:03 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Alright, I'll take the bait on Castro.

Is dying at 90 really some sort of losing result? What sort of god punishes someone by letting them make it to 90? What's the message there?

Look at the assassination attempts by the CIA. The mafia. Operation Mongoose. Operation Family Jewels.

Castro outlived all of them.

His rebels annihilated a U.S. backed regime. He was never killed or captured for it.

Socialism didn't take hold (at least not for the poor...), but Fidel Castro outfoxed ALL of his enemies.


I agree. Castro outfoxed them all. Too bad the result is that Cuba still looks like an apocalyptic version of 1959. You want to know who Castro really is and what he stood for? Ask all the Cuban kids and grandchildren that live in Miami. They will tell you exactly who he was. A Socialist Dictator. A JV version of Hitler.



sounds like donald trump

he's already showed plenty signs that he plans on being a dictator


I really don't care what he does, if he fulfills any promises he has made or not. I only hoped he was elected and pissed all of you off. Mission is a Success.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 05:16 AM

"out of the fog"

That would have been a great campaign slogan for Trump.

Trump's going to "make America great again". He's going to "bring back jobs". He's going to bring America "out of the fog". lol. He's not.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 05:40 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
"out of the fog"

That would have been a great campaign slogan for Trump.

Trump's going to "make America great again". He's going to "bring back jobs". He's going to bring America "out of the fog". lol. He's not.


Oh No! Trump is not going to do that? Oh Well, After the last 8 years I guess I am used to it. I'll get by. In the meantime I am glad Trump getting elected pissed you off. That's the only reason I voted for him. Tata. Make America Great Again You liberal sissy fag squat to take a piss wanna bees.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 07:03 AM

lol. You're pathetic. You really need help.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 07:34 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Donald Trump resembles Fidel Castro more than any president (or president elect) in U.S. history.


What did trump have a bug infested beard or something. smile

You know Castro had a try out with a Major League Baseball team had he made it. He never would have taken over Cuba.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 07:36 AM

Actually I think Hillary looks more like Castro then trump. She has his beard between her legs.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/28/16 03:45 PM

Trump is not even president yet and he is already making calls to Carrier, Gates & Apple company; trying to make them create and/or keep jobs in America. That is something the president should have done.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/29/16 03:23 AM

I gotta be honest. I have had my share of disagreements with Moe over time, but his views on this election I agree with.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/29/16 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Ciment
Trump is not even president yet and he is already making calls to Carrier, Gates & Apple company; trying to make them create and/or keep jobs in America. That is something the president should have done.



yeah while blowing off intelligence agencies

going on Twitter rants....he'll be impeached by june 2017
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/29/16 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: Ciment
Trump is not even president yet and he is already making calls to Carrier, Gates & Apple company; trying to make them create and/or keep jobs in America. That is something the president should have done.



yeah while blowing off intelligence agencies

going on Twitter rants....he'll be impeached by june 2017


You will need to win more seats in both houses to impeach. Good luck with that. You just worry that Hillary and her cronies don't end up in jail.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/29/16 08:04 PM

I think bu June 17 Hillary, Billl and their daughter will all be indicted. It will be fun to watch.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/29/16 11:19 PM

^^^^

trump ain't paid his taxes in 10 years, probably more

it would be funny if he got pinched for tax evasion right before he's sworn in

trump supporters will be crying when his dumb ass gets missles fired at us

it's a possibility that we might get attacked so america can be blantantly racist again...smh
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/29/16 11:41 PM

Who wants to bet Trump resigns during his 1st term? He's never carried this much responsibility and faced this much criticism in his life. He's probably already longing for the private sector, where he's the king of his own little world.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Who wants to bet Trump resigns during his 1st term? He's never carried this much responsibility and faced this much criticism in his life. He's probably already longing for the private sector, where he's the king of his own little world.


On the contrary, Trump will turn the economy around, create jobs & opportunity. Furthermore, I predict he will be so successful that he will win in a landslide victory come next 2020 election.

Oak your welcomed to join Trump's team. lol
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 12:35 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Who wants to bet Trump resigns during his 1st term? He's never carried this much responsibility and faced this much criticism in his life. He's probably already longing for the private sector, where he's the king of his own little world.


oak you have to have money to bet with.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 12:55 AM

Hillary should run again. Next time Trump won't be able to cheat. Hillary's cut out for the job. She has a work ethic. She's solid. She's well respected in Washington. Trump isn't. He's going to learn that the hard way. I think he'll resign. He's not cut out for this.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 03:48 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Hillary should run again. Next time Trump won't be able to cheat. Hillary's cut out for the job. She has a work ethic. She's solid. She's well respected in Washington. Trump isn't. He's going to learn that the hard way. I think he'll resign. He's not cut out for this.


There will not be a next time for Hillary, if she runs again she will not win the popular vote because Trump will make sure this time that illegals and dead people will not be allowed to vote. So there goes your aspirations for a Hillary win.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 04:35 AM

lol. I guess some people really do believe Trump's troll tweets.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 05:33 AM

Conventional wisdom didn't do so well this election cycle. Everyone kept saying Trump had no chance in the primaries when it was obvious the other stiffs generated zero excitement.
Same on the democratic side. Bernie had the excitement and momentum behind him. The entire establishment backed Hillary because conventional wisdom said only she can win the general election. Wrong, again. So yeah I think Bernie Sanders had a better shot at beating Trump.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 05:52 AM

Trump would have just used the Dick Cheney strategy against Bernie and scared moderates away from him. Whenever Democrats go soft on foreign policy, Republicans pounce on it and become war hawks.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 05:54 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: Ciment
Trump is not even president yet and he is already making calls to Carrier, Gates & Apple company; trying to make them create and/or keep jobs in America. That is something the president should have done.



yeah while blowing off intelligence agencies

going on Twitter rants....he'll be impeached by june 2017


You ever look into history and all the things the intelligence agencies have gotten us into over the decades? Including trying to assassinate your buddy Castro. It's amazing how people these days are so misinformed. Take your buddy Colin Kaepernick. Rich athlete, raised by white people. But takes a knee during the anthem to protest racism and oppression. Then wears a shirt with Fidel Castro on it and talks about all the great things he has done. Castro. One of the 20th centuries worst oppressors. And to boot, Castro was racist himself against black Cubans.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 05:57 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Trump would have just used the Dick Cheney strategy against Bernie and scared moderates away from him. Whenever Democrats go soft on foreign policy, Republicans pounce on it and become war hawks.


Trump didn't scare moderates. He had this ludicrous idea to pander to working blue collar voters. A segment of the populous that Hillary ignored and instead pandered to men who wanted to use the women's bathroom. The Clintons are done for. America sent a clear message that they're sick of the Clintons.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 05:59 AM

Maybe, maybe not. Much of the country is tired of war. Certainly tired of nation building and interventionism. Most people, including the average republican doesn't want war, they just want to a strong defense. It's just that during the Bush years, the neo cons duped the average republican and moderates into being nation building interventionists. the 9/11 attacks helped get people on board that otherwise wouldn't have.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 06:09 AM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Maybe, maybe not. Much of the country is tired of war. Certainly tired of nation building and interventionism. Most people, including the average republican doesn't want war, they just want to a strong defense. It's just that during the Bush years, the neo cons duped the average republican and moderates into being nation building interventionists. the 9/11 attacks helped get people on board that otherwise wouldn't have.


Well, that's what Trump would have done. Trump is a politician and a salesman. He exploits every opportunity there is to close the deal. It's in his nature. Hillary had a hawkish background so Trump played the role of a reasonable centrist on foreign policy. Had Bernie been his opponent, he would have flanked him to the right.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 06:14 AM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Maybe, maybe not. Much of the country is tired of war. Certainly tired of nation building and interventionism. Most people, including the average republican doesn't want war, they just want to a strong defense. It's just that during the Bush years, the neo cons duped the average republican and moderates into being nation building interventionists. the 9/11 attacks helped get people on board that otherwise wouldn't have.


I agree. billions, and billions spent on wars. the afghan war 15 yrs old, what have we gained? where is the return for the money spent? we could have put millions of people to work with that war money. why was bush and cheney allowed to just walk away from what they caused, leaving the country like a baby leaves a diaper!
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 06:16 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Maybe, maybe not. Much of the country is tired of war. Certainly tired of nation building and interventionism. Most people, including the average republican doesn't want war, they just want to a strong defense. It's just that during the Bush years, the neo cons duped the average republican and moderates into being nation building interventionists. the 9/11 attacks helped get people on board that otherwise wouldn't have.


Well, that's what Trump would have done. Trump is a politician and a salesman. He exploits every opportunity there is to close the deal. It's in his nature. Hillary had a hawkish background so Trump played the role of a reasonable centrist on foreign policy. Had Bernie been his opponent, he would have flanked him to the right.


Maybe. But he didn't come with all that baggage that Hillary did.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 06:22 AM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Maybe, maybe not. Much of the country is tired of war. Certainly tired of nation building and interventionism. Most people, including the average republican doesn't want war, they just want to a strong defense. It's just that during the Bush years, the neo cons duped the average republican and moderates into being nation building interventionists. the 9/11 attacks helped get people on board that otherwise wouldn't have.


Well, that's what Trump would have done. Trump is a politician and a salesman. He exploits every opportunity there is to close the deal. It's in his nature. Hillary had a hawkish background so Trump played the role of a reasonable centrist on foreign policy. Had Bernie been his opponent, he would have flanked him to the right.


Maybe. But he didn't come with all that baggage that Hillary did.



a very good point, she certainly had the baggage, and the dems were so sure she could beat trump, they ignored all of her scandals and ran with her, BIG MISTAKE!
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 06:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Maybe, maybe not. Much of the country is tired of war. Certainly tired of nation building and interventionism. Most people, including the average republican doesn't want war, they just want to a strong defense. It's just that during the Bush years, the neo cons duped the average republican and moderates into being nation building interventionists. the 9/11 attacks helped get people on board that otherwise wouldn't have.


Well, that's what Trump would have done. Trump is a politician and a salesman. He exploits every opportunity there is to close the deal. It's in his nature. Hillary had a hawkish background so Trump played the role of a reasonable centrist on foreign policy. Had Bernie been his opponent, he would have flanked him to the right.


Maybe. But he didn't come with all that baggage that Hillary did.



a very good point, she certainly had the baggage, and the dems were so sure she could beat trump, they ignored all of her scandals and ran with her, BIG MISTAKE!


Yup. I guess it's easy to see all this in hindsight but it appears they did make a big mistake.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 06:37 AM

NY Times did an article yesterday about people in the rust belt really believe Trump is going to bring the jobs back. The reporter threw some cold hard facts their way about outsourcing and they just insisted that they're keeping their faith. How sad.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 07:01 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
NY Times did an article yesterday about people in the rust belt really believe Trump is going to bring the jobs back. The reporter threw some cold hard facts their way about outsourcing and they just insisted that they're keeping their faith. How sad.


Almost as sad as in 08 when they believed Obama would bring change and hope and nothing ever came of it. Trump isn't even President and he made a deal with Carrier in Indianapolis not to move 2000 jobs to Mexico. So he has already done more before he is President than Obama did in 8 years.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 12:00 PM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: Ciment
Trump is not even president yet and he is already making calls to Carrier, Gates & Apple company; trying to make them create and/or keep jobs in America. That is something the president should have done.



yeah while blowing off intelligence agencies

going on Twitter rants....he'll be impeached by june 2017


You ever look into history and all the things the intelligence agencies have gotten us into over the decades? Including trying to assassinate your buddy Castro. It's amazing how people these days are so misinformed. Take your buddy Colin Kaepernick. Rich athlete, raised by white people. But takes a knee during the anthem to protest racism and oppression. Then wears a shirt with Fidel Castro on it and talks about all the great things he has done. Castro. One of the 20th centuries worst oppressors. And to boot, Castro was racist himself against black Cubans.


Yes, people are misinformed.

There are reasons that some black people in the US and especially those in Africa see Castro in a positive light. It has to do with the important roles Cuba played in Algeria, Ethiopia, and later in Angola during their wars to throw off colonialist rule, and their opposition to the Apartheid government in South Africa. It has to do with how the Cubans helped Namibia gain their freedom. Of course, most US media didn’t cover these stories, so people are misinformed, or rather, they are not informed at all.


We can rightly view Castro as a repressive, murderous tyrant (not unlike the man he overthrew and replaced) and still manage to understand why he isn't viewed this way by everyone across the globe.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 07:15 PM

The U.S. has historically aligned itself with all kinds of horrible world leaders. The criticism of Castro by our government and our press has nothing to do with his leadership or morals, it has to do with the fact that he wouldn't let us turn his island into a U.S. resort destination with casinos and brothels. Bautista was open to these things, which is why the U.S. turned the other cheek toward his tyrannical behavior.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 07:48 PM

Oak,
Sometimes I disagree with your points or motives BUT I 100% agree with your last post. If you are an ally or a foot stool for the US, little will ever surface about your human rights abuses. If you don't acquiesce to the interests of the American government (and bend over) you will be painted as a despot and they will support coup d'etats against you.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 07:54 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Yes, people are misinformed.

There are reasons that some black people in the US and especially those in Africa see Castro in a positive light. It has to do with the important roles Cuba played in Algeria, Ethiopia, and later in Angola during their wars to throw off colonialist rule, and their opposition to the Apartheid government in South Africa. It has to do with how the Cubans helped Namibia gain their freedom. Of course, most US media didn’t cover these stories, so people are misinformed, or rather, they are not informed at all.


We can rightly view Castro as a repressive, murderous tyrant (not unlike the man he overthrew and replaced) and still manage to understand why he isn't viewed this way by everyone across the globe.


Agree.


Baby Doc Duvalier died a few years back. He and his father killed,jailed a greater % of the population of Haiti than Castro did to Cuba. Plus they ran the economy and country into the GROUND. But they pretty much bent over for Western interests, so when they die...there's no outcry from the Western press about "death of evil dictators" as with Castro.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 08:37 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets

Agree.


Baby Doc Duvalier died a few years back. He and his father killed,jailed a greater % of the population of Haiti than Castro did to Cuba. Plus they ran the economy and country into the GROUND. But they pretty much bent over for Western interests, so when they die...there's no outcry from the Western press about "death of evil dictators" as with Castro.




Yes. Haiti is a perfect example.

The US has a long history of backing murderous regimes, especially in Latin America and the Caribbean. Maximiliano Hernández Martínez, Ubico, Trujillo, Duvalier, Pinochet, Somoza (father and sons)....


There are many Americans that don't mind human rights violating and murderous regimes as long as it's 'our bastard' doing it. The cries against someone like Castro ring hollow when these same people remain silent on all the others.



Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 09:27 PM


It is very difficult for me to comprehend how any heads of state or representative thereof, would attend the funeral of any of these brutal dictators.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 11/30/16 09:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Ciment

It is very difficult for me to comprehend how any heads of state or representative thereof, would attend the funeral of any of these brutal dictators.


they back US interest that's why they attend. Castro was a brutal dictator he gets vilified like others dont because he did not back US interest

why is the US still backing countries like Saudia Arabia? own interests this should not be difficult to comprehend leaders are trying to do the best for there own countries and own interest allying themselves with dictatorships may benefit there country,economy or themselves politically
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/01/16 07:25 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The U.S. has historically aligned itself with all kinds of horrible world leaders. The criticism of Castro by our government and our press has nothing to do with his leadership or morals, it has to do with the fact that he wouldn't let us turn his island into a U.S. resort destination with casinos and brothels. Bautista was open to these things, which is why the U.S. turned the other cheek toward his tyrannical behavior.


Okay, let's throw out the U.S. views of Castro. Let's just go with the people who live in Miami and fled Castro's regime. We will only go by the Cuban People's opinion. Does that count?
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/01/16 07:27 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: getthesenets

Agree.


Baby Doc Duvalier died a few years back. He and his father killed,jailed a greater % of the population of Haiti than Castro did to Cuba. Plus they ran the economy and country into the GROUND. But they pretty much bent over for Western interests, so when they die...there's no outcry from the Western press about "death of evil dictators" as with Castro.




Yes. Haiti is a perfect example.

The US has a long history of backing murderous regimes, especially in Latin America and the Caribbean. Maximiliano Hernández Martínez, Ubico, Trujillo, Duvalier, Pinochet, Somoza (father and sons)....


There are many Americans that don't mind human rights violating and murderous regimes as long as it's 'our bastard' doing it. The cries against someone like Castro ring hollow when these same people remain silent on all the others.





Like I said, let's throw out the United States views of leaders in Cuba and Haiti. Let's listen to Cuban Exiles views and what they think of the Castro regime. Would you value their opinion?
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/01/16 10:40 AM

Originally Posted By: gangstereport
Originally Posted By: Ciment

It is very difficult for me to comprehend how any heads of state or representative thereof, would attend the funeral of any of these brutal dictators.


they back US interest that's why they attend. Castro was a brutal dictator he gets vilified like others dont because he did not back US interest

why is the US still backing countries like Saudia Arabia? own interests this should not be difficult to comprehend leaders are trying to do the best for there own countries and own interest allying themselves with dictatorships may benefit there country,economy or themselves politically


I was talking about attending the funeral of a tyrant dictator not discussing foreign affairs.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/01/16 11:00 AM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: getthesenets

Agree.


Baby Doc Duvalier died a few years back. He and his father killed,jailed a greater % of the population of Haiti than Castro did to Cuba. Plus they ran the economy and country into the GROUND. But they pretty much bent over for Western interests, so when they die...there's no outcry from the Western press about "death of evil dictators" as with Castro.




Yes. Haiti is a perfect example.

The US has a long history of backing murderous regimes, especially in Latin America and the Caribbean. Maximiliano Hernández Martínez, Ubico, Trujillo, Duvalier, Pinochet, Somoza (father and sons)....


There are many Americans that don't mind human rights violating and murderous regimes as long as it's 'our bastard' doing it. The cries against someone like Castro ring hollow when these same people remain silent on all the others.





Like I said, let's throw out the United States views of leaders in Cuba and Haiti. Let's listen to Cuban Exiles views and what they think of the Castro regime. Would you value their opinion?


Of course i value their opinions.

Do you value the opinions of people that have suffered under US backed tyrants?


Beyond the Cuban exiles opinions I value the facts, which are that the man was a murderous tyrant, which i clearly stated upthread. He was, and thats not debatable. But that doesn't preclude my understanding that other people in the world have different opinions on Castro, based in their own interactions with his regime.


Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/01/16 05:28 PM

Our fake Italian mayor loved Che and Castro.

On the first Christmas tree when obama got into the White House after became president was an ornament of Chairmen Mao.

What does that tell you?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/01/16 06:41 PM

A lot of Cuban exiles who've been in the U.S. for 20, 30 years have been brainwashed by Republican propaganda. Their views on Castro and his style of leadership were genuine, but as their sentiments became increasingly manipulated by Republicans and right wingers in the media, many of them sound more and more like typical right wing parrots. I don't blame them. I blame how the Republicans have pounced on their dilemna for political gain, especially in places like south Florida.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/01/16 09:29 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
A lot of Cuban exiles who've been in the U.S. for 20, 30 years have been brainwashed by Republican propaganda. Their views on Castro and his style of leadership were genuine, but as their sentiments became increasingly manipulated by Republicans and right wingers in the media, many of them sound more and more like typical right wing parrots. I don't blame them. I blame how the Republicans have pounced on their dilemna for political gain, especially in places like south Florida.


You're just mad because they weren't brainwashed by Democrat left-wing propaganda first. Do you blame the Democrats for all the other identity groups used by them for political gain?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/01/16 11:31 PM

Democrats never exploited their anti-Castro sentiments the way Republicans did. Democrats, the nice people that they are, just made sure the Cubans had a quality of life here in the states.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/02/16 12:35 AM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Like I said, let's throw out the United States views of leaders in Cuba and Haiti. Let's listen to Cuban Exiles views and what they think of the Castro regime. Would you value their opinion?


Of course, but I'd bet that depending on which social class or ethnic group their ancestors were from in Cuba you'd get different responses. It's a bit more complex than you might think.

Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/02/16 06:55 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Democrats never exploited their anti-Castro sentiments the way Republicans did. Democrats, the nice people that they are, just made sure the Cubans had a quality of life here in the states.


Yeah, JFK never exploited Anti Castro sentiment. Check the history books again little trooper.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/02/16 06:58 AM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Like I said, let's throw out the United States views of leaders in Cuba and Haiti. Let's listen to Cuban Exiles views and what they think of the Castro regime. Would you value their opinion?


Of course, but I'd bet that depending on which social class or ethnic group their ancestors were from in Cuba you'd get different responses. It's a bit more complex than you might think.



Check out the Cuban turnout in Miami when Castro died. They weren't celebrating his life I promise you that. Or the Cuban reporter that blasted Colin Kap for wearing the Castro shirt. Every Cuban social class has the same view on Castro. A tyrannical oppressive dictator.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/02/16 12:11 PM

Bay of Pigs? The Democrats most definitely saw Castro as an angel. He was misunderstood is all. We have riots when a black man is shot by a cop for not putting a gun down. Go try that shit in Castro's Cuba.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/02/16 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Check out the Cuban turnout in Miami when Castro died. They weren't celebrating his life I promise you that. Or the Cuban reporter that blasted Colin Kap for wearing the Castro shirt. Every Cuban social class has the same view on Castro. A tyrannical oppressive dictator.


Not sure if you are kidding or not. You base your claim that "every Cuban social class" has the same view on Castro on the public demonstrations in Miami and of a Cuban American reporter blasting Kap. I'm assuming you mean Dan LeBatard of espn.

How many Cuban Americans do you know personally? I don't live too far from the second biggest enclave of Cuban Americans in the country(Union City,NJ) and I've known a good number of people of that background. The Cubans who left there as adults immediately after the revolution(mainly the wealthy) are mostly all gone now. THOSE people mainly hated Castro. THEIR kids and grandkids mainly hate Castro. Cubans I've met who aren't descended from that planter class that Castro seized land from have had varying views and opinions about him and the effects of the revolution.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll


I agree. billions, and billions spent on wars. the afghan war 15 yrs old, what have we gained? where is the return for the money spent? we could have put millions of people to work with that war money. why was bush and cheney allowed to just walk away from what they caused, leaving the country like a baby leaves a diaper!


If you remember I was against the Iraq War, but the Afghan War is a different story. According to information that just came out, I think from a former CIA agent, Khalid Sheikh Muhammad said he never expected Bush to declare war on the Taliban and Al Qaeda. He thought Bush was going to treat 9/11 as a police matter, and with that in mind he planned several more large attacks in the United States. Bush stopped him from doing that. Read this article in the Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...m=.cfeec3469c67
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 01:14 AM

I'm not sure you're going to find that magic article that makes Bush look good on national security after he allowed the biggest attack on U.S. soil in history, despite having prior intel of the attacks.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 01:35 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels

Yes. Haiti is a perfect example.

The US has a long history of backing murderous regimes, especially in Latin America and the Caribbean. Maximiliano Hernández Martínez, Ubico, Trujillo, Duvalier, Pinochet, Somoza (father and sons)....

There are many Americans that don't mind human rights violating and murderous regimes as long as it's 'our bastard' doing it. The cries against someone like Castro ring hollow when these same people remain silent on all the others.


I think this response is rather simplistic and leaves out a lot of real world facts.

First, going back to Truman the USA has opposed communism, so we chose to ally ourselves with other leaders who shared that political position. True, a lot of them didn't have clean hands, but neither did those on the Left, plus those on the Left typically allied themselves with the USSR. So we were stuck with a lesser of evils.

If we didn't help keep our allies in power the Soviet Union would use its resources to overthrow them and install puppet regimes. The USSR kept communist regimes alive in Cuba, Nicaragua, Angola and Ethiopia, for example. None of those regimes were nice. Mengistu of Ethiopia created a famine that led to the deaths of a million. In 2006 he was found guilty of genocide.

In Cuba's case it seems like a false moral equivalency. The regime under Batista was nowhere near as totalitarian as Castro's. Yes, there was corruption under Batista, but are you telling me that there wasn't any under the Castro brothers? While most Cubans live on about $20 a month, the Castros live/lived like millionaires. That's not only hypocritical, that's at least as corrupt as the Duvaliers.

I also don't think it's true that we never criticized our "friends." We did. I recall a lot of criticism against the Duvaliers, but the problem was figuring out what do. Should the United States have moved in, taken over Haiti, cleaned it up and left? Sounds good in theory, but most countries don't appreciate being invaded by foreign powers, even if they have good intentions. His successor Namphy had a reputation for being honest, but only lasted a couple years until he was overthrown. Aristide was criticized for human rights abuses and corruption.

Another thing to consider is that fewer countries are enjoying human rights abuses than in the past because there is less tolerance for it. Russia isn't practicing the abuses it did (at least not on the same scale) when it was the USSR, and China is vastly improved compared to the Mao era. Until 1967 in some parts of the United States it was not legal for black and white people to marry, blacks had to use separate bathrooms and water fountains, and in World War II citizens of Japanese, (and a lesser extent) German and Italian descent were sent to internment camps. Today almost all of the abuses are coming from countries that are officially Muslim. So comparing today's foreign policy with that from decades ago is comparing apples to oranges.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 02:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: helenwheels

Yes. Haiti is a perfect example.

The US has a long history of backing murderous regimes, especially in Latin America and the Caribbean. Maximiliano Hernández Martínez, Ubico, Trujillo, Duvalier, Pinochet, Somoza (father and sons)....

There are many Americans that don't mind human rights violating and murderous regimes as long as it's 'our bastard' doing it. The cries against someone like Castro ring hollow when these same people remain silent on all the others.


I think this response is rather simplistic and leaves out a lot of real world facts.



Well, yes it is simplistic response, its also a simplistic thread and i find it interesting that you're singling mine out. But i enjoy engaging, so...

In addition to simplifying my thoughts, i kept my post short intentionally, brevity generally being best on message boards. I didnt really see the need to go into dissertation mode, on subject matter that i knew getthesenets was likely aware of. And i didnt think (based on what I've generally read here) that most other posters would really enjoy a conversation debating whether those that seek to justify our third world policies supporting dictators in the name of strategic interests have it right, or if its those that favor benign detachment that are correct.


But overall i enjoyed reading your post. It was literate and thought out, it's a nice change from some of the others in the thread.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 04:02 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I'm not sure you're going to find that magic article that makes Bush look good on national security after he allowed the biggest attack on U.S. soil in history, despite having prior intel of the attacks.


Have you ever been too the World Trade Center man.

I used to go there all the time. My wife worked in one of the buildings.

When they hit the first building I was a sleep. I retired in 1996 way before my wife did.

I started to get calls from kids about where is their mother. I said what time was the building hit. They told me she has to be alright because she left after it was hit. So hearing about it she would come right home. I was right but no Sandra. Kids stopped calling because phone service went out. One daughter was going to Columbia university at that time. I told her just stay where you are.

My wife got home about 6 0clock that night. So in my head I knew she was alright. But by that time I am thinking where the fuck us she if she is alright.

When people start talking about 9/11 and are not from NYC and they knew no one who worked in those buildings.

I am thinking they know shit, and they should fucking shut their stupid months about it.

on no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Again when the Russians left Iraq they took them to Syria. How do I know that guys in the Russian mafia told me that. That's how I know they had no reason to lie.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 04:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
I think this response is rather simplistic and leaves out a lot of real world facts.


Interesting. In your response, I didn't see any real world facts. Just a bunch of historical footnotes that are common knowledge, and opinionated assertions you're evidently passing along as fact.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 04:14 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
I think this response is rather simplistic and leaves out a lot of real world facts.


Interesting. In your response, I didn't see any real world facts. Just a bunch of historical footnotes that are common knowledge, and opinionated assertions you're evidently passing along as fact.


Hey, dont knock it. Black people once had to use separate bathrooms? Who knew? I was as shocked as Claude Rains in Casablanca.

(Reading through posts here on the board, you find there are some people who wish black people still had to use their own loo. Too quote the new president- sad)
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 04:29 AM

Footreads,

I do listen to New Yorkers.

They vote Democrat. Every single election. Maybe you ought to listen to New Yorkers.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 05:01 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: helenwheels

Yes. Haiti is a perfect example.

The US has a long history of backing murderous regimes, especially in Latin America and the Caribbean. Maximiliano Hernández Martínez, Ubico, Trujillo, Duvalier, Pinochet, Somoza (father and sons)....

There are many Americans that don't mind human rights violating and murderous regimes as long as it's 'our bastard' doing it. The cries against someone like Castro ring hollow when these same people remain silent on all the others.


I think this response is rather simplistic and leaves out a lot of real world facts.



Well, yes it is simplistic response, its also a simplistic thread and i find it interesting that you're singling mine out. But i enjoy engaging, so...

In addition to simplifying my thoughts, i kept my post short intentionally, brevity generally being best on message boards. I didnt really see the need to go into dissertation mode, on subject matter that i knew getthesenets was likely aware of. And i didnt think (based on what I've generally read here) that most other posters would really enjoy a conversation debating whether those that seek to justify our third world policies supporting dictators in the name of strategic interests have it right, or if its those that favor benign detachment that are correct.


But overall i enjoyed reading your post. It was literate and thought out, it's a nice change from some of the others in the thread.


BTW, Helen, when I used the word simplistic I didn't mean it as an insult and I probably should have chosen another word, it's just that I've read a number of posts on a different forum where the writers more often than not emote based on superficial knowledge. Sometimes I spend more time in that forum than I should LOL.

I used to get into these idealism vs realism debates with a friend of mine who's a poly sci professor, but he got set in his ways and isn't much of a debater anymore. So I appreciate that we can have our disagreements without taking it personally, and there's been a number of times where you've brought things to my attention that help correct or sharpen my own knowledge.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 05:05 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
I think this response is rather simplistic and leaves out a lot of real world facts.


Interesting. In your response, I didn't see any real world facts. Just a bunch of historical footnotes that are common knowledge, and opinionated assertions you're evidently passing along as fact.


I expected an ignorant response. You didn't disappoint.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 07:31 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I'm not sure you're going to find that magic article that makes Bush look good on national security after he allowed the biggest attack on U.S. soil in history, despite having prior intel of the attacks.


Bush was in office 8 months. The fact is, that Bin Laden and radical Islamist terrorist grew leaps and bounds under the Clinton Administration which was soft on terrorism. The First World Trade Center Bombing? Clinton presidency.Black Hawk Down in Somalia? Clinton. Khobar Towers? Clinton. Kenya and Tanzinia? Clinton. USS Cole? Clinton. It was Bill Clinton and the Democrats soft stance on terrorism that led to 9-11 and the rise of Islamic extremism. If he would have been tougher and not preoccupied with his affairs and other blunders 9-11 could have been prevented.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 09:14 AM

Don't forget the "wall" created by the Gorelick memo that prevented the FBI and intelligence agencies from sharing information -- written during the Clinton administration.

That Jamie Gorelick was a real piece of work. After writing the memo she covered up the failure of Fannie Mae while paying herself a hefty salary. Later she tried to defend Duke University after it screwed its lacrosse team with fake charges of rape and racism.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 10:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Originally Posted By: helenwheels

Yes. Haiti is a perfect example.

The US has a long history of backing murderous regimes, especially in Latin America and the Caribbean. Maximiliano Hernández Martínez, Ubico, Trujillo, Duvalier, Pinochet, Somoza (father and sons)....

There are many Americans that don't mind human rights violating and murderous regimes as long as it's 'our bastard' doing it. The cries against someone like Castro ring hollow when these same people remain silent on all the others.


I think this response is rather simplistic and leaves out a lot of real world facts.



Well, yes it is simplistic response, its also a simplistic thread and i find it interesting that you're singling mine out. But i enjoy engaging, so...

In addition to simplifying my thoughts, i kept my post short intentionally, brevity generally being best on message boards. I didnt really see the need to go into dissertation mode, on subject matter that i knew getthesenets was likely aware of. And i didnt think (based on what I've generally read here) that most other posters would really enjoy a conversation debating whether those that seek to justify our third world policies supporting dictators in the name of strategic interests have it right, or if its those that favor benign detachment that are correct.


But overall i enjoyed reading your post. It was literate and thought out, it's a nice change from some of the others in the thread.


BTW, Helen, when I used the word simplistic I didn't mean it as an insult and I probably should have chosen another word, it's just that I've read a number of posts on a different forum where the writers more often than not emote based on superficial knowledge. Sometimes I spend more time in that forum than I should LOL.


I used to get into these idealism vs realism debates with a friend of mine who's a poly sci professor, but he got set in his ways and isn't much of a debater anymore. So I appreciate that we can have our disagreements without taking it personally, and there's been a number of times where you've brought things to my attention that help correct or sharpen my own knowledge.


No worries. I wasnt insulted at all. Like I said, I do enjoy engaging and good conversations and i hope to have more.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 08:33 PM

Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 09:08 PM

I take trump over the fucking C.U.N.T
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 09:11 PM

How is the recount going?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/03/16 09:17 PM

After two days of recounting

OVERALL
Clinton gained 3 votes
Trump gained 6 votes
Net Trump gain of 3 votes on Day 2
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 12:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
After two days of recounting

OVERALL
Clinton gained 3 votes
Trump gained 6 votes
Net Trump gain of 3 votes on Day 2


no good recounting! FBI'S jim comey put trump IN white house, check out hillarys numbers before and after comey's letter.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 01:18 AM

I find it almost impossible to believe you would be happy if Hillary had won.

I think either way Comey will be let go by either one of them.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 04:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
After two days of recounting

OVERALL
Clinton gained 3 votes
Trump gained 6 votes
Net Trump gain of 3 votes on Day 2


Those goof balls paid 7 million dollars for this recount idiots
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 05:27 AM

This is getting fun.

...

Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 06:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: Footreads
After two days of recounting

OVERALL
Clinton gained 3 votes
Trump gained 6 votes
Net Trump gain of 3 votes on Day 2


Those goof balls paid 7 million dollars for this recount idiots


The goofballs just put about 4 million in Jill Steins personal account. How much of that money was yours Oak? 10 dollars and 75 cents you saved from your birthday money?
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 02:32 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
This is getting fun.

...



The only reason Alec Baldwin is doing lame Donald Trump impressions is because his movie career bottomed out.

Say, Oak, are you ever going to refute the facts presented in those Clinton videos I posted or are you going to continue avoiding the elephant in the room?

The Clinton's don't care about anyone but themselves and their donors.

They exploit every situation, every disaster, for their own political and financial gain - just like they did in Haiti.

And it's rich talking about how Trump or Bush put the country in danger when Bill Clinton allowed Chinese triad members to have the lay of the land at The White House for a few bribes.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 03:29 PM

Remember when Gerald Ford had that Twitter tantrum over Chevy Chase's SNL impression? And who could ever forget the Facebook war that W had with Will Ferrell over skits mocking him?


This is unseemly behavior for a President. And anyone else that isn't a 12 year old girl.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 06:51 PM

Yeah, Helen, whoever thought George W. Bush would out-mature anyone? Way to go, Donald. If he actually does end up being president for 4 years without resigning or outright being rejected by the electoral college for being insane, he's going to hurt a lot of people. The only good thing to come out of it would be how sensitive of a douche he is, and how fun it would be to watch the media and entertainers just troll him to death.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 06:57 PM

oak, he's after the 1st amendment, and the republicans will help him destroy it. I'm starting to despise paul ryan, going after social security, and medicare, medicade.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 07:27 PM

Every post you make is that Ryan is going after social security, Medicare and Medicare.

Remember when that money went into a lock box? I do who went in and used that money for other things the democrats or the republicans?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 08:16 PM

Yep. That's Republicans, Binnie. Pretend to care about working people, protect the wealthy.

Alec Baldwin says he'll stop impersonating Trump on SNL if he releases his tax returns.

https://twitter.com/ABFalecbaldwin/status/805284113741729792
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 11:08 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Remember when Gerald Ford had that Twitter tantrum over Chevy Chase's SNL impression? And who could ever forget the Facebook war that W had with Will Ferrell over skits mocking him?


This is unseemly behavior for a President. And anyone else that isn't a 12 year old girl.


Welcome to Trumpworld LOL. I think the only way he'd stop sending out Twitter messages is if his family had an intervention.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/04/16 11:46 PM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Remember when Gerald Ford had that Twitter tantrum over Chevy Chase's SNL impression? And who could ever forget the Facebook war that W had with Will Ferrell over skits mocking him?


This is unseemly behavior for a President. And anyone else that isn't a 12 year old girl.


It's the world we're living in.

Pre-Internet I thought Alec Baldwin was one of the coolest guys on the planet.

Then came the failed acting career, the whiny, egotistical, self-centred, completely lacking in any self-awareness, leaked voicemail message where he calls his own daughter a "pig", the scuffles with paparazzi and all those incidents where he racially abused people and gay bashed people.

Trump has to worry about this twat?

lol

Like I said, it's the times we are living in.

Barack Obama seemed to spend more time shooting hoops, doing photo ops, going on talk shows and hanging around with celebrities than he did actually doing President stuff.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/05/16 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Remember when Gerald Ford had that Twitter tantrum over Chevy Chase's SNL impression? And who could ever forget the Facebook war that W had with Will Ferrell over skits mocking him?


This is unseemly behavior for a President. And anyone else that isn't a 12 year old girl.


It's the world we're living in.

Pre-Internet I thought Alec Baldwin was one of the coolest guys on the planet.

Then came the failed acting career, the whiny, egotistical, self-centred, completely lacking in any self-awareness, leaked voicemail message where he calls his own daughter a "pig", the scuffles with paparazzi and all those incidents where he racially abused people and gay bashed people.

Trump has to worry about this twat?y

lol


No, he doesnt have to worry. He could just, you know, be presidential and ignore it. It's beneath the office to respond like a petulant child to a comedy show, and it ridiculous trying to justify it.


And I'm not a huge fan of Baldwin, but he's hardly a failure as an actor. Most recently:

From 2006 to 2013, Baldwin starred as Jack Donaghy on the NBC sitcom 30 Rock, winning two Emmy Awards, three Golden Globe Awards, and seven Screen Actors Guild Awards for his work on the show, making him the male performer with the most SAG Awards
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/05/16 02:46 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Remember when Gerald Ford had that Twitter tantrum over Chevy Chase's SNL impression? And who could ever forget the Facebook war that W had with Will Ferrell over skits mocking him?


This is unseemly behavior for a President. And anyone else that isn't a 12 year old girl.


It's the world we're living in.

Pre-Internet I thought Alec Baldwin was one of the coolest guys on the planet.

Then came the failed acting career, the whiny, egotistical, self-centred, completely lacking in any self-awareness, leaked voicemail message where he calls his own daughter a "pig", the scuffles with paparazzi and all those incidents where he racially abused people and gay bashed people.

Trump has to worry about this twat?y

lol


No, he doesnt have to worry. He could just, you know, be presidential and ignore it. It's beneath the office to respond like a petulant child to a comedy show, and it ridiculous trying to justify it.


And I'm not a huge fan of Baldwin, but he's hardly a failure as an actor. Most recently:

From 2006 to 2013, Baldwin starred as Jack Donaghy on the NBC sitcom 30 Rock, winning two Emmy Awards, three Golden Globe Awards, and seven Screen Actors Guild Awards for his work on the show, making him the male performer with the most SAG Awards


Yeah, but a successful career you're supposed to start out in TV and move up the the silver screen. Baldwin did the opposite, went from one of Hollywood's leading men and now he is doing sit-coms and skits on Saturday Night Live. You don't see DiCaprio on TV shows.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/05/16 05:16 AM

.I don't like Baldwins politics, but the guy is a pretty good actor. In fact he has got better as he got older in a supporting roll.

On going from movies to tv. Everyone is doing that today. Movies it's getting harder and harder to get the financing needed to make an expensive movie. in the old days actors did not get better as they got older. So the move from movies to tv was a normal move back then.

At least they have a place where they can make money and still act when they get older.

I thought Rod Steiger was a tremendous actor as a younger man. He lost that energy he had when he got older.

Now is the golden age of tv. I never watched a tv drama when I was younger. Now the writing is much better on tv shows.

I talked about this before maybe not on here. There is a tv show called Poldark from English tv. I saw the first season and now the second season is out.

Do yourselves a favor and watch that. I consider it a work of art.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/05/16 03:14 PM

I like Ray Donovan for a lot of reasons. But I have seen more old time actors on that show then any other show.

Remember Ann Margaret that was a hot girl.she was on Ray Donovan man she still looks good to me at least in my eyes.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/05/16 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
This is getting fun.

...




he either doesn't actually wannabe the president or he uses illicit drugs all day
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/05/16 07:42 PM

He is right about Saturday night live. It has not been actually funny for decades.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/05/16 09:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
He is right about Saturday night live. It has not been actually funny for decades.


Everyone's got an opinion I guess.

I thought the Trump caricature was funny, but what was REALLY fall down off your chair funny was the Hillary bigfoot sighting segment. That was insane. You will spit out your coffee! lol
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/06/16 05:44 AM

So, I'm watching one of those Mafia's Greatest Hits episodes on Sam Giancana. Some retired cop on there says of election night, 1960, "I knew when the returns were coming in that an election theft was under way".

...we know the feeling.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/06/16 07:54 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
So, I'm watching one of those Mafia's Greatest Hits episodes on Sam Giancana. Some retired cop on there says of election night, 1960, "I knew when the returns were coming in that an election theft was under way".

...we know the feeling.


You libs didn't complain when JFK got elected though did ya? And the people against JFK didn't protest or burn U.S. Flags either.'
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/06/16 09:14 AM

Same old residual bitterness over a person of Irish Catholic descent being elected President.

He hardly needed help getting elected over Nixon.

It's common knowledge he destroyed Nixon in the debates and was favored among large, less bigoted, pockets of voters.

The mob did probably get him and his brother killed though.

I don't think a Muslim terrorist has even managed to kill one high profile politician let alone two.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/06/16 09:26 AM

One of the reasons Kennedy was elected was because he got the women's vote because they liked the fact that he was a good looking guy.

I remember when he was shot I was bowling in the Parchester lanes in the Bronx.

When they announced he was shot no one gave a shit they just kept bowling. Frankly I was not bothered when he got shot. What bothered me was the lack of reaction to his shooting by the other people bowling.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/06/16 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
One of the reasons Kennedy was elected was because he got the women's vote because they liked the fact that he was a good looking guy.

I remember when he was shot I was bowling in the Parchester lanes in the Bronx.

When they announced he was shot no one gave a shit they just kept bowling. Frankly I was not bothered when he got shot. What bothered me was the lack of reaction to his shooting by the other people bowling.




It affected me greatly. AND, like most my age, I will NEVER forget where I was and people's reaction. For me 10th grade, 5th period, Mrs. Bergstrom's class 1:00 pmish. Announcement over the PA. Total silence and shock that this could happen in our country. frown Teacher looked totally stunned. When bell rang, halls were very quiet.

On the school bus ride home, everyone was pretty much silent. Then one kid, speaks up and says, "In my opinion, they should have shot him again and again and again.:" uhwhat Everyone remained silent. I was mad/shocked that he said that. I know if I get my yearbook out I can recognize his picture.

I am NO fan of GWBush OR the current moron President elect, but I would NEVER wish for or applaud an assassination.

TIS
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/06/16 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
When they announced he was shot no one gave a shit they just kept bowling.


lol.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/06/16 07:42 PM

Italian Stallionette,

My mother was in the 8th grade when Kennedy was assassinated. She liked the Kennedys her whole life until the scandals became common knowledge. Now she hates them. Hates the Clintons for pretty much the same reason, although she grudgingly voted for Hillary.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/06/16 09:23 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
It affected me greatly. AND, like most my age, I will NEVER forget where I was and people's reaction. For me 10th grade, 5th period, Mrs. Bergstrom's class 1:00 pmish. Announcement over the PA. Total silence and shock that this could happen in our country. frown Teacher looked totally stunned. When bell rang, halls were very quiet.

On the school bus ride home, everyone was pretty much silent. Then one kid, speaks up and says, "In my opinion, they should have shot him again and again and again.:" uhwhat Everyone remained silent. I was mad/shocked that he said that. I know if I get my yearbook out I can recognize his picture.

I am NO fan of GWBush OR the current moron President elect, but I would NEVER wish for or applaud an assassination.

TIS


TIS,

Wow. Unless I'm missing something, I can only assume that the young guy was just echoing his dad's hatred for the President. He probably heard his dad at the dinner table for years saying vile things.

Otherwise I can't see how a high school kid would say such things and in public the day of the shooting.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/06/16 09:53 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
It affected me greatly. AND, like most my age, I will NEVER forget where I was and people's reaction. For me 10th grade, 5th period, Mrs. Bergstrom's class 1:00 pmish. Announcement over the PA. Total silence and shock that this could happen in our country. frown Teacher looked totally stunned. When bell rang, halls were very quiet.

On the school bus ride home, everyone was pretty much silent. Then one kid, speaks up and says, "In my opinion, they should have shot him again and again and again.:" uhwhat Everyone remained silent. I was mad/shocked that he said that. I know if I get my yearbook out I can recognize his picture.

I am NO fan of GWBush OR the current moron President elect, but I would NEVER wish for or applaud an assassination.

TIS


TIS,

Wow. Unless I'm missing something, I can only assume that the young guy was just echoing his dad's hatred for the President. He probably heard his dad at the dinner table for years saying vile things.

Otherwise I can't see how a high school kid would say such things and in public the day of the shooting.


Oh it had to be Getts. That kind of hatred rubs off and for young kids to use it, it likely was picked up by parents. I sometimes wonder IF that kid (or anyone else on bus) remembers that outburst like I do. AND if he regrets it.

Btw Getts, I just want to tell you, tho I don't read all posts nor do I post that often, I notice you are ALWAYS polite to everyone here. Just wanted to give you a shout out. LOL Kudos!!!!! wink


TIS
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/07/16 02:55 PM

TIS,

Thanks. I try to treat everybody with the same courtesy that greeted me when I joined the site. You know what they say, when in Rome....do as the Neapolitans. smile
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/07/16 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
He is right about Saturday night live. It has not been actually funny for decades.



if he's watching Saturday live and can't take a few jokes then how is he going to be a strong president

he's on Twitter like hes bored and jobless
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/07/16 06:49 PM

Like obama is a strong president right?

Like Mr Clinton was a strong president?

He will get the IRS to audit their families.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/07/16 06:52 PM

None of these guys had any real balls.
Posted By: getthesenets

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/07/16 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
None of these guys had any real balls.





Miss Lewinsky can vouch that Bill did. smile smile
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/07/16 10:35 PM

Ha funny
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/07/16 11:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Like obama is a strong president right?

Like Mr Clinton was a strong president?

He will get the IRS to audit their families.


there ain't a better teacher than 10-20yrs of Southside Chicago politics

trump owes uncle sam 10yrs worth of taxes
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/08/16 04:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Every post you make is that Ryan is going after social security, Medicare and Medicare.

Remember when that money went into a lock box? I do who went in and used that money for other things the democrats or the republicans?


foots, they both stole from the social security fund, and replaced the money with Ious, what they did was criminal.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/08/16 09:11 AM

The recount is over in Michigan. Waste of money and time. What was going to be solved by this? Oak must be working 24/7 at McDonalds to be paying off all the people he bet against, because Hillary was going to win by a landslide. Lol
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/08/16 09:30 AM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
The recount is over in Michigan. Waste of money and time. What was going to be solved by this? Oak must be working 24/7 at McDonalds to be paying off all the people he bet against, because Hillary was going to win by a landslide. Lol


That's it.

Jill Stein needed to flip all three states for Hillary, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. If she failed to flip even one of those states from Red to Blue, the results of the election would be confirmed. Today they have been, once a Michigan judge sided with the appeals court in their opinion that Jill Stein had no standing to request a recount after garnering so little of the vote in that state. It's a WRAP.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/08/16 11:08 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Like obama is a strong president right?

Like Mr Clinton was a strong president?

He will get the IRS to audit their families.


there ain't a better teacher than 10-20yrs of Southside Chicago politics

trump owes uncle sam 10yrs worth of taxes


Haha he can deduct his losses. Also He has paid other taxes during that time.

If it were possible for trump to be charged with tax evasion they would have already charged him years ago.

So cook keep making the same post.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/08/16 11:13 AM

So the recount is over poor Hillary won't be able to steal the presidency the way she has gotten away with stealing on everything else. She will probably still keep her limo driver even though she lost. Bill will keep his and Chelsea will keep her at least until they are indicted and all three go to prison. I foresee Diblasio joining them as well pretty soon.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/08/16 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
So the recount is over poor Hillary won't be able to steal the presidency the way she has gotten away with stealing on everything else. She will probably still keep her limo driver even though she lost. Bill will keep his and Chelsea will keep her at least until they are indicted and all three go to prison. I foresee Diblasio joining them as well pretty soon.


they're not going anywhere, let alone prison. they'll enjoy millions upon millions coming in, their protected life in chappaqua and no more headaches. every politician is a fucking crook, it would be wrong to say it is only the clintons. they all are my friend. they all go into politics poor and come out filthy rich. they have lawyers and cpa's who know every fucking loophole in this country, ask trump.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/08/16 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: Footreads
None of these guys had any real balls.





Miss Lewinsky can vouch that Bill did. smile smile


bravo for bill. a bit heavy, but she had nice lips and im sure he like them wrapped around his cock. every man in power should have some side pussy, when did that become a crime? and when caught, every man lies about it, it's what we do as men. deny deny deny. strange pussy makes the world go round my friend
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/08/16 06:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
This is getting fun.

...



The only reason Alec Baldwin is doing lame Donald Trump impressions is because his movie career bottomed out.

Say, Oak, are you ever going to refute the facts presented in those Clinton videos I posted or are you going to continue avoiding the elephant in the room?

The Clinton's don't care about anyone but themselves and their donors.

They exploit every situation, every disaster, for their own political and financial gain - just like they did in Haiti.

And it's rich talking about how Trump or Bush put the country in danger when Bill Clinton allowed Chinese triad members to have the lay of the land at The White House for a few bribes.


who gives a shit about his movie career, it's small potatoes compared to the residuals he is receiving from syndication from 30 rock. he's set for life
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/08/16 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
I think this response is rather simplistic and leaves out a lot of real world facts.


Interesting. In your response, I didn't see any real world facts. Just a bunch of historical footnotes that are common knowledge, and opinionated assertions you're evidently passing along as fact.


do you site all the shit you breathe from your mouth? most of the country doesnt subscribe to the california bullshit, if they did, transgenders and homosexuals would be fucking in every park and on every bench known to mankind. gotta love a state like california where its okay for a guy to suck off another guy in golden gate park with people walking by like it's no big deal. i hope that state and every fucking actor in it falls into the ocean.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/08/16 11:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
It's a WRAP.


Yep. Looks like Trump's going to get away with stealing it.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 12:37 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
It's a WRAP.


Yep. Looks like Trump's going to get away with stealing it.


You haven't done your homework Oak.

In Michigan, it was the same judge who ordered a recount as who sided with the appeals court in denying it. The appeals court said Jill had no standing.

Fair and square
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 12:58 AM

Donald Trump Will Keep Executive Producing Celebrity Apprentice as President


http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/donald-t...cer-1201937420/



We can have Celebrity Apprentice: Despots Edition, with Putin, Duarte, Assad, and Erdogan. Can't wait!
Posted By: Alfanosgirl

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 01:13 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Donald Trump Will Keep Executive Producing Celebrity Apprentice as President


http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/donald-t...cer-1201937420/



We can have Celebrity Apprentice: Despots Edition, with Putin, Duarte, Assad, and Erdogan. Can't wait!


Lol lol Helen you're funny.
Posted By: fatdomgamiello36

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 01:47 AM

That recount was ridiculous. Set an awful precedent. The democrats weee right not to get involved.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 01:51 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Donald Trump Will Keep Executive Producing Celebrity Apprentice as President


http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/donald-t...cer-1201937420/



We can have Celebrity Apprentice: Despots Edition, with Putin, Duarte, Assad, and Erdogan. Can't wait!


You forgot Kim Jong Un! LOL
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 01:54 AM

lol
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 08:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Same old residual bitterness over a person of Irish Catholic descent being elected President.

He hardly needed help getting elected over Nixon.

It's common knowledge he destroyed Nixon in the debates and was favored among large, less bigoted, pockets of voters.

The mob did probably get him and his brother killed though.

I don't think a Muslim terrorist has even managed to kill one high profile politician let alone two.


It was one of the closest elections in history. Catholicism had nothing to do with it. Joe Kennedy made a deal with the mob. JFK won Illinois by the slimmest of margins.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 01:39 PM

Actually Catholicism did have something to do with it.

One Of Hillary's people her lady friend who was supposedly a catholic made a derogatory comment about Catholics. You think Catholics did not pay attention to what she said.

I guess she thought Catholics are one of the deplorables. smile
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Like obama is a strong president right?

Like Mr Clinton was a strong president?

He will get the IRS to audit their families.


there ain't a better teacher than 10-20yrs of Southside Chicago politics

trump owes uncle sam 10yrs worth of taxes


Haha he can deduct his losses. Also He has paid other taxes during that time.

If it were possible for trump to be charged with tax evasion they would have already charged him years ago.

So cook keep making the same post.




u sound maniacal like most trump supporters

yall want a piece of shit to be president

evrybody is gonna cry when he gets us killed
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 10:47 PM

The only people crying, are the sore losers that didn't vote for Trump. At the end of the day, you had a chance to vote. Even if your choice didn't win, you still live in the greatest country 8n the world. Unfortunately, some people are forgetting that.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 10:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
It's a WRAP.


Yep. Looks like Trump's going to get away with stealing it.


You haven't done your homework Oak.

In Michigan, it was the same judge who ordered a recount as who sided with the appeals court in denying it. The appeals court said Jill had no standing.

Fair and square


Uh huh.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
The only people crying, are the sore losers that didn't vote for Trump. At the end of the day, you had a chance to vote. Even if your choice didn't win, you still live in the greatest country 8n the world. Unfortunately, some people are forgetting that.


Probably because it's no longer true. There are now a lot of countries that have a better quality of life than America, and we're only going to drop lower on the list with Trump. I suppose we still have the strongest military but I'm not sure how long that could last with all of the continuous wars, which drain resources.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/09/16 11:25 PM

You never answered my question Oak. Did you vote? If you didn't, was it because you're not the legal voting age?
Posted By: The Iceman

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 02:39 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
It's a WRAP.


Yep. Looks like Trump's going to get away with stealing it.


OK Oak since you obviously think so please offer proof to back this claim up. Cause it has been proven that democrats rig elections heck look at what happened to Sanders during the primaries. And it has been reported hat votes that went for Hillary in Wayne County Michigan which includes Detroit had been counted twice
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 03:10 AM

Originally Posted By: blueracing347
The only people crying, are the sore losers that didn't vote for Trump. At the end of the day, you had a chance to vote. Even if your choice didn't win, you still live in the greatest country 8n the world. Unfortunately, some people are forgetting that.


no doubt. if you didn't vote, then it was the equivalent of spitting in every veterans face who fought for the very freedom that we have today. and fortunately, somebody brought that to my attention when I didn't feel like voting for either during the process. if you didn't vote, shame on you.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 04:11 AM

I did not vote and I feel zero shame.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 06:21 AM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: blueracing347
The only people crying, are the sore losers that didn't vote for Trump. At the end of the day, you had a chance to vote. Even if your choice didn't win, you still live in the greatest country 8n the world. Unfortunately, some people are forgetting that.


no doubt. if you didn't vote, then it was the equivalent of spitting in every veterans face who fought for the very freedom that we have today. and fortunately, somebody brought that to my attention when I didn't feel like voting for either during the process. if you didn't vote, shame on you.


I am a Trump supporter, but I didn't vote. Mississippi was going red regardless of my vote. So what do I care? To win the popular vote? If it was going to be close in MS I would have voted. Equivalent of spitting in veterans faces? Are you serious? I love and respect every veteran. My father, grandfathers, great grandfathers and great-great-great grandfathers were veterans. I appreciate their sacrifice for my right to vote. I also appreciate their sacrifice for my righ NOT to vote if I don't want to.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 06:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Actually Catholicism did have something to do with it.

One Of Hillary's people her lady friend who was supposedly a catholic made a derogatory comment about Catholics. You think Catholics did not pay attention to what she said.

I guess she thought Catholics are one of the deplorables. smile


I was talking about the 1960 election
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 06:29 AM

Freedom to not vote is also something to appreciate. There's some countries in the world where you're forced to vote or face fines and punishment. That's not freedom.

I say NOT voting is sort of like a vote too. Or maybe you just had something far better to do that day. Like stuff that will actually make a difference in your life.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 06:31 AM

Military family, Yates? Did you serve?
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 08:12 AM

You all should vote if you can. Except oak he is too young to vote.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 10:38 AM

You should always vote. And more important than voting for president, you should vote in your state and local elections. Its those offices that will have more of an impact on your life than the potus ever will. They decide on your property taxes, how your schools are run, make state and city laws, etc.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 02:17 PM

I am a registered democrat, but I find myself voting for the most conservative democrat. Unfortunely, there aren't anymore.

The guy I hated was Anthony Weiner. A guy that talked like a tough guy, but was a mama boy.

I have not run into DiBlasio as yet, but I am sure I will before he is indicted.

Maybe we can sit down together and eat a slice of Sicilian with a knife and fork. I am dying to meet his lesbian wife who he converted into being heterosexual. See it not something you have to be smile
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 02:26 PM

You know who is running for NYC mayor in the next election Bo Dietl.

I think I will vote for anyone, but him.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 02:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
You know who is running for NYC mayor in the next election Bo Dietl.

I think I will vote for anyone, but him.


That guy is such a joke! If I was Frank Pellegrino I would ban him from Rao's. I don't understand why they let him in.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Freedom to not vote is also something to appreciate. There's some countries in the world where you're forced to vote or face fines and punishment. That's not freedom.

I say NOT voting is sort of like a vote too. Or maybe you just had something far better to do that day. Like stuff that will actually make a difference in your life.


who gives a fuck about other countries? move there if you think they are better. i wont even argue with your logic because its a slap in the face quite frankly. and your logic may be the dumbest thing ive ever heard

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/09/26/troops-and-veterans-must-do-their-duty-vote.html
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Freedom to not vote is also something to appreciate. There's some countries in the world where you're forced to vote or face fines and punishment. That's not freedom.

I say NOT voting is sort of like a vote too. Or maybe you just had something far better to do that day. Like stuff that will actually make a difference in your life.


who gives a fuck about other countries? move there if you think they are better. i wont even argue with your logic because its a slap in the face quite frankly. and your logic may be the dumbest thing ive ever heard

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/09/26/troops-and-veterans-must-do-their-duty-vote.html


Where in my post did I suggest those countries are better?

Lol a slap in the face because I have better things to do than participate in your ritual where my vote statistically makes no difference in changing an outcome?

I think of voting sort of like the lottery. Waste of time. Secondly voting is often times immoral too. It's mob rule where majorities impose rulers upon others.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 05:29 PM

He has been going there since the 70s. I saw him there singing with one of the guys son that he tried to put away.
Posted By: dinocrocetti

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Freedom to not vote is also something to appreciate. There's some countries in the world where you're forced to vote or face fines and punishment. That's not freedom.

I say NOT voting is sort of like a vote too. Or maybe you just had something far better to do that day. Like stuff that will actually make a difference in your life.


who gives a fuck about other countries? move there if you think they are better. i wont even argue with your logic because its a slap in the face quite frankly. and your logic may be the dumbest thing ive ever heard

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/09/26/troops-and-veterans-must-do-their-duty-vote.html


Where in my post did I suggest those countries are better?

Lol a slap in the face because I have better things to do than participate in your ritual where my vote statistically makes no difference in changing an outcome?

I think of voting sort of like the lottery. Waste of time. Secondly voting is often times immoral too. It's mob rule where majorities impose rulers upon others.


sad, very sad...and misinformed. good luck.
Posted By: SoCalGangs

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Originally Posted By: dinocrocetti
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Freedom to not vote is also something to appreciate. There's some countries in the world where you're forced to vote or face fines and punishment. That's not freedom.

I say NOT voting is sort of like a vote too. Or maybe you just had something far better to do that day. Like stuff that will actually make a difference in your life.


who gives a fuck about other countries? move there if you think they are better. i wont even argue with your logic because its a slap in the face quite frankly. and your logic may be the dumbest thing ive ever heard

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/09/26/troops-and-veterans-must-do-their-duty-vote.html


Where in my post did I suggest those countries are better?

Lol a slap in the face because I have better things to do than participate in your ritual where my vote statistically makes no difference in changing an outcome?

I think of voting sort of like the lottery. Waste of time. Secondly voting is often times immoral too. It's mob rule where majorities impose rulers upon others.


sad, very sad...and misinformed. good luck.


I am very much informed. Good luck to you in trying to swing an election with your vote though.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 06:17 PM

Foots, here is Bo's webpage for Mayor.I can't believe President Reagan actually sat down with him. It's funny the way the President is reading Bo's Bio like he's reading fiction.Only thing missing is him saying, "This is all bullshit!" LOL

https://boformayor.com
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 08:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
He has been going there since the 70s. I saw him there singing with one of the guys son that he tried to put away.


Hope they at least tipped you.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/10/16 11:51 PM

For the first time here I've put a poster on ignore. I don't even need to say who it is. Putting posters who are trolling on ignore is recommended over getting into endless yes you did no you didn't debates.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/11/16 01:19 AM

How exactly do you put Oak on ignor I am bad at doing that stuff?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/11/16 05:13 AM

Anyway, back to the topic.

Saw this today and thought it was funny.

Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/11/16 06:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
How exactly do you put Oak on ignor I am bad at doing that stuff?


Click directly on the screen name of a troll, any troll, click "view profile", then find the button that says "ignore this user". Click it.

I guarantee, the second you do this, you'll feel a lot better.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/11/16 07:16 AM

I saw this, it was really funny:

Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/11/16 09:44 AM

Alfa thanks I am feeling even better now smile

As trump would say I just drained the swamp
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/13/16 08:12 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Military family, Yates? Did you serve?


No, Did you? I serve my country as a hardworking taxpayer though. What about you?
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/13/16 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
I serve my country as a hardworking taxpayer though. What about you?


Do you really think that working is the same thing as getting shot at in combat?
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/13/16 09:17 PM

Oak served his country in Call of Duty.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/13/16 09:28 PM

Moe?

So glad you could sit in.

Cards on the table.

Did you serve?
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/13/16 11:51 PM

moe served..... he makes great corned beef, and cabbage and serves it on st. pats day. great server!!! lol, keep posting moe!!
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/13/16 11:55 PM

Binnie, don't make me put you in a retirement home.

I'll tell them you have dementia.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/14/16 12:01 AM

So, Moe hasn't served in the military, but he's mocking others for not having served. Figures.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/14/16 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
So, Moe hasn't served in the military, but he's mocking others for not having served. Figures.


When did I mock someone who served?

The closest I came to mocking people who served is mocking people like Bruce Springsteen for telling people who to vote for when he tore up his draft letter and pretended to be homosexual/crazy rather than serve his country like other brave kids his age.

And for pointing out the hypocrisy of people like Michael Moore who mocked George Bush for draft dodging but ignore the elephant in the room that is Bill Clinton draft dodging.

Very selective!
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/14/16 12:11 AM

I said you mocked someone for *not* having served, which is kind of odd considering you didn't serve yourself.

Yates thinks that just having a job counts as military service.

I must say we have a real cast of characters here in regards to military service, what it means to have or have not served, and what qualifies as service. Carry on.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/14/16 12:14 AM

Oak,

Come back to me or Yates if and when we tear up a draft letter or feign homosexuality/mental illness like Bruce Springsteen and Bill Clinton did.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/14/16 12:39 AM

I'm not talking about Bill Clinton or draft letters.

I'm talking about who here served in the military.

You haven't, yet you took the liberty to mock me for having not served, implying that I play video games based on war (I don't).

Yates thinks that having a job is the same thing as being in combat, which is just sad.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/14/16 07:55 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: yatescj7
I serve my country as a hardworking taxpayer though. What about you?


Do you really think that working is the same thing as getting shot at in combat?


I answered your question but you didn't answer my. Typical of liberals. I have been shot though. 9mm round through the calf. Memphis, TN. I pay my taxes and support our troops. Which is obviously more than you do, which is obviously leech of society.....or more likely your parents that work and pay taxes.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/14/16 08:02 AM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I said you mocked someone for *not* having served, which is kind of odd considering you didn't serve yourself.

Yates thinks that just having a job counts as military service.

I must say we have a real cast of characters here in regards to military service, what it means to have or have not served, and what qualifies as service. Carry on.


I clearly stated I did not serve in the military. I admit it unlike you. I stated that I "serve" my country as a tax paying citizen, also unlike you, which if you don't realize, without taxpaying citizens there would be no budget for defense or military salaries. I am not military, but I and other productive members of society, also unlike you, pay their salaries and I am thankful for their sacrifice. I just wish all of my tax money went to military and their families instead of welfare and food stamps and your parents insurance premiums that you will be on for 10 more years until you turn 26. Or until President Trump repeals Obamacare....LOL!
Posted By: fergie

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/17/16 05:55 PM

I'm reading trumps book just now-he's not exactly shy. Every other page he takes the opportunity to remind you how successful he is..I was all for him getting voted in, primarily to shake up the shit, backslapping system, however, with that you have to accept a comparatively naive president.

From what I gather though, the president doesn't have as much power as the title suggests and powerplayers will make sure that continues. Trump is great for this, the presidency will end up more like the status the queen has in England....This may be the start of the USA just having a figurehead, social media led "leader"....

Truman show here we come.....
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/17/16 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: fergie
I'm reading trumps book just now-he's not exactly shy. Every other page he takes the opportunity to remind you how successful he is..I was all for him getting voted in, primarily to shake up the shit, backslapping system, however, with that you have to accept a comparatively naive president.

From what I gather though, the president doesn't have as much power as the title suggests and powerplayers will make sure that continues. Trump is great for this, the presidency will end up more like the status the queen has in England....This may be the start of the USA just having a figurehead, social media led "leader"....

Truman show here we come.....


I hate to admit it, but what you say sounds about right, I have always been of the opinion that the 4th branch of government [ corporate lobbists ] run this country, and wall streeters. the presidency is for show.
Posted By: fergie

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 12/17/16 10:56 PM

It's kind of ironic...I'll bet most democracies have a leader who has relatively no power...
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 02/26/17 09:21 AM

Trump won the presidency. The question now is how long our last defence will hold before our government turns into the 4th Reich, or a Cagligala assassination takes place. I find it interesting that Dallas, nor Baton Rouge cop killings are in the topics, which mean there is support of a police state, or power to them. That is just un-American and not a oath I took.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 02/26/17 11:57 AM

No one hates cops more then me with good reason if you have lived my life. But blaming trump for everything is total bull shit.

I don't really care if it is hunting season on cops. Good hunting.

99 percent of the press is pushing this bullshit.

Recently Maxine waters called trump a scumbag. To bad trump did not have the balls to call her a [BadWord]. C U N T

Progressive democrats are in shock Hillary lost. She was a bad canadate she thought the election would be handed to her. She was wrong want something no one gives it to you. You have to take what you want.

Most working people were democrates when I was a kid. Those democrates are not these that is why she lost.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 02/26/17 03:32 PM

Trump admin now promising to go after recreational weed. Those poor libertarians and independents who voted for him thinking he was a breath of fresh air...
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 02/26/17 05:18 PM

As long as the heroin keeps common in and not from Mexico I am happy.
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 02/26/17 07:24 PM

Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Trump admin now promising to go after recreational weed. Those poor libertarians and independents who voted for him thinking he was a breath of fresh air...


One of the biggest Trump supporters I know loved Bernie Sanders in the primary. When he dropped out he switched to supporting Jill Stein. He knew Stein couldn't win, so he voted from Trump. He honestly believes that Hillary Clinton is a corporate-owned warmongering corrupt politician who should never be President. Although I didn't vote for Trump, I do have to agree with his assessment of Clinton.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 02/27/17 01:14 AM

Mrs Clinton a warmonger? She liked to talk tough and so did obama remember the crossing the red line?

But both were just talk. The reason they went into Libya it was a favor to Great Britain I think they were about to lose Libyan oil. They lost it any way.
Posted By: Ciment

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? - 02/27/17 10:50 PM

The BS coming from the leftist socialist liberals used to get me mad but now I enjoy seeing them in panic mode and losing their heads.
I like how Trump is toying with the media gone mad. The more the media attacks him, the more he tells them to go F_CK themselves.
This is the best entertainment I have seen in years.
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