guns are not the problem

there has been a rash of shooting lately but, its not the fault of the guns, its the kids who are sick, they seem to think they are in a video game.

unable to see the difference between reality and fantasy.
its to the point where if Hillary gets elected she will try her best to collect the guns.

nothing should get in the way of the 2nd amendment.

Obama said that not being able to pass more restrictive gun control laws are his biggest frustration:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33646704

Some major issues going on behind these random killings, but more complex than our society is ready to discuss.

The availability of guns plays a role but it's an issue about how violent the world has gotten.And about all of these individuals making a conscious decision to shoot innocent people.

Americans legally being able to possess guns is NOT the issue though, I agree Binnie.

very,very well said gets, however the issues you are concerned about are I think too complex to have a real serious discourse on.

its mental health issues with a younger generation, and is there an answer?

faithful, stricter gun laws are not the answer, adam lanza stole his mothers guns, its not the guns, its the mindset of a younger generation.

the younger generation is weaned on violence, they see countless wars we are involved in, and video games are extremely violent. and they are hooked on them.

We're talking about the same games and movies that people around the world play and watch. Right?

Funny, remember when right-wingers claimed the racist Charleston shooter was "mentally-ill" initially?

Also, note the alleged shooter waved a Confederate flag at his household.

yes, you brought up a couple of good points, there is no denying that he was racist, or that he was or was not mentally ill, it seems funny to me that this fanatisim came on him so quickly.

Blaming "guns," not the psychos who shouldn't have them, or the careless incompetents who leave them lying around, is the equivalent of blaming "cars" for all the fatal accidents that are caused by careless, drunk or incompetent drivers.

well said turnbull, if these people who are content on killing,could not get a gun, then they would use explosives, or chemicals to kill people. as I stated before its the mindset of these murderers.

Binnie, I really think the issue is mental health. The problem here is that whenever one of these kooks rears their ugly heads, they usually kill themselves, thus not giving the scientific community a chance to study their brain dysfunction.

The trick is to capture one of these kooks, preferably before they kill, identify their illness, then screen for it in the general population.

Then...

adjust gun laws accordingly.

That translates to "anyone diagnosed with xyz condition is banned from owning or handling a firearm", period.

It's as simple as that.

Capturing a kook before they kill is quite easy. You see, they always give off these loud warnings before they go off. Therefore locating a potential mass shooter who is stockpiling weapons and making threats or posting ominous nonsense on the internet is far from impossible. Society has actually missed opportunity after opportunity to capture and study these creatures.

Now here is where the counter intuitive solution arises...

The legislation needed is not primarily gun legislation...it is mental health legislation that permits authorities to place someone under arrest and observation in a hospital setting to diagnose them.

Binnie, I was just posting Obama's comment, not that I agreed with him.

Alfa, the man who shot up the theater in Louisiana yesterday was reportedly bipolar. I've worked with mentally ill people before, and the psychotic ones, especially paranoid schizophrenics and people with bipolar disorder in the manic state, should not be around weapons. The problems usually occur because they don't believe they have mental illnesses and refuse their meds. However, that wouldn't have stopped the killer in Sandy Hook, Connecticut, who shot up an elementary school, Adam Lanza, since he only had Asperger's Syndrome, evidently an extreme form of it. So this fix wouldn't be all that cut and dried.

Alright but you just named the solution in the Sandy Hook case...ban everyone with Aspergers from guns.

That is it. Ban them period.

Very few people with Aspergers are dangerous. The criminals who regularly kill other people tend not to have mental illnesses of any kind. They're just evil. We already have laws banning convicted felons from getting guns, the problem is they get them illegally, so banning everything isn't the answer.

faithful. alfa, I think we all know that mental health is a touchy issue, the reason being, judging a person on the basis of a crime he may commit.

as mental imbalance has a wide interpretation. almost anyone at any particular time can have anger issues, as road rage.

can you ban someone from owing a gun based on a chance he may commit road rage?

is it legal to arrest someone or deny them a weapon based on what they might do?

Forty years ago, he was MEANT to sound crazy. Today, I'm not so sure:

You can only do that in fiction, like Minority Report. In real life it's different.

What I think would decrease shootings is to deal with them where they happen most often: in inner cities. Find the good, law-abiding people, organize them, arm them and train them, then deputize them. Get the people who actually live in the communities involved. Remember, gun control restrictions in this country were put in place to keep blacks from using them in the Jim Crow South.

good post, I think you may be on to a solution, I think you may agree with me that something must be done.

disarming a country is never a solution, and Hillary is more anti- gun than she will ever let on.

I cannot think of another person whom the media gives a pass.and that to me is scary, the press never holds her accountable, and that to me indicates her real agenda is hidden from the people.

I truly mean it when I say "god help us" if the dog is elected.

The question I would pose is, why in the world would we allow someone diagnosed with Asperger's to have a legal gun? Look up what the symptoms of that disease are and tell me with a straight face that someone in that condition can even aim a gun.

The old joke about having aim so bad that they shoot at the ground and miss applies here.

america loves their guns

people could still get guns if they stopped legally selling them for 10 years

they're more guns than people

yes, cook they estimate there are over 200 million guns in America, that they know of- millions that they don't know of.

gun show purchases from an individual are not counted because no record has to be kept, because private sales are legal, without any paper work.

also, no records at all were kept before 1968. when the government started to have a buyer fill out the yellow sheet 4473 form.

millions of guns were sold without any paperwork, prior to 1968. and at gun shows as we speak.

That same 1968 Gun Control Act also prohibited interstate sales of guns via mail order except for holders of Federal Firearms Licenses. You can get one, but a friend who has one says it doesn't pay, except if you trade a lot of firearms each year.

You can buy a firearm online, but you have to pick it up from a licensed gun dealer in your state, and pay that dealer a fee.

The kid that shot up Sandy Hook didn't have the brain power to go out and get his own guns. His mom supplied the armaments. What happened in Sandy Hook was completely and totally unnecessary.

when I worked in a pawn shop selling guns, we had an FFL,prior to Clinton anyone could get them, with Clinton you had to have a store front.

also you were required to keep a record of all gun sales by the buyer filling out a 4473 form, the form stayed with the shop.

also while I was selling guns the BATF would come in and inspect your books, I was inspected, before Clinton they hardly came around [theBATF], when the Clintons were in, the BATF inspected constandly.

Hillary was behind all the gun laws, she was sponsoring sarah brady. [the gun grabber] if Hillary is elected hide your guns.

People like Obama want to remove all guns from people also know where everyone is who owns a gun.

So the country can not revolt against them. Do what we say or you will not have access to food. Or be put in a retraining area.

No one would own anything if people who run Obama had their way. Everyone will need the government for everything.

The first step to Socialism is taking away ones rights to bear arms.

If Clinton is elected, there will be another panic like the two that occurred after Obama was elected and re-elected: another run on guns and ammo that will result in months- or years-long shortages and price increases. Although Obama is anti-gun, even he had enough common sense not to move on anti-gun legislation until after the Sandy Hook tragedy. And, of course, that move was defeated.

For 5,000 years, gold was the standard of wealth. In the 1970's, it was petroleum. Today it's .22 caliber ammo.