Election 2016

*RRA wakes up from coma*

Wow, its been eons since I've been on these boards. Maybe this means 2016 won't be like '12 where we had Donald Trump trolling the presidential race, the GOP primary field be such a pathetic line-up, and never-happy liberals not be so whiny. Maybe things will be different this time?

*Looks around*

NOPE! Sigh.

Anyway some people (like I don't know the GOP party leaders) had hoped Trump would not officially file the paperwork to run because that would mean having to disclose his finances despite all of his hot air.

Well that hope just croaked. He just signed financial disclosure forms with the FEC. He claims he's worth "TEN BILLION DOLLARS." (His words, not mine.)

Has anyone heard or know , about trump tower built by SA concrete ( tony salernos co.) of genovese family ? Also paul castellano ( gambino) family ? Please correct me if im wrong . I thought salerno was gambino family .

Salerno was Genovese family. And yes, S&A did the work on the Trump Tower. It was Salerno's company but, if I'm not mistaken, Castellano also had an interest in it. Probably why only that company got the biggest jobs in the city.

Any one of the 16 republicans running for President will be better then Obama and the [BadWord] Hillary. Who disagree's with that?

I do.

There is something about 16 people "throwing their hat in the ring" that sounds....desperate. I think the Constitution encourages revolution when the people think the government has gotten off track. I think they are off. Where are the leaders? It's getting scary. We don't need politicians anymore. We need leaders.

Me too.

Really I am surprised. We oue 18 trillion by the end of 2016 it will be 3 trillion more.. Will Hillary lower that number or raise it? Are we buying euros with a trillion of printed money a year with nothing to back it up? Who will stop that Hillary? There is no other choice other then Hillary.

What do you have going for you when the dollar crashes?

It is going to be fun times if Hillary becomes president.

Exactly revolution that is why democrates want to get rid of people rights to bare arms. Is Hillary a leader?

That makes two that should do it.

Its a damn hard job. Apart from the privilege of being the most powerful man (woman) in the world it must be a nightmare for your stress levels. Poor old Obama looks like he has aged 20 years in the last 7....

Absolutely. People need to keep in mind that during one's term, there is never a time when one is not President. One does not get to leave it behind.

But in Obama case he gets to lead from behind.

I hope to god they get trump out early, this guy is a nightmare.
he amassed a fortune by going bankrupt three times, leaving hundreds of people that he owed money, never seeing the money he owned them.

three times he screwed hundreds over.

You know how he makes money. He buys building, planes and other shit for practically nothing with no money of his own.

Then he has people he uses a lot of the same people to put bids on his projects. They give him their very bottom line as a bid because they want him to use them a again.

Then he sells them or owns them and rents out space.

It is a beautiful way to make a lot of money while spending little or no money down.

He uses the laws of the land that includes bankruptcy laws. He would be stupid not to.

I think he would consider the Presidency as a business venture. I would not be afraid to vote for him if he was the rep nominee.

I think he is not a go along guy so the party would not want him for that reason. So don't worry about it.

But the only choice you have in the other party is Hillary. That is no choice she is a bad word in every way.

Yeah that's because you're a bleeding heart liberal

Not me I can't stand that evil bitch.

if it comes down to Hillary vs jeb bush, good god, what a pair to draw to.

either one would be a disaster, can't we say so long to the Clintons, and bushes.

So Trump gave out rival candidate Lindsey Graham's cellphone # today in a speech.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/21/9011217/donald-trump-senator-lindsey-graham-cellphone-number

That was an asshole thing to do, but I do admit I'd probably pay to see a Trump versus Sanders battle.

Most of those candidates running don't think they can win, at least I don't think they do. Some are running out of ego. Some are running to increase their name's visibility out there so they can sell more books or get a Fox News TV, whatever. Some think they can actually win, and some think they might have a chance if the party base sours on the contenders and fortunes break in their favor.

Of the GOP field, honestly the only "serious" candidates I see are Jeb and Walker. Several of my Lefty friends insist Rubio is another, but...sorry, don't see it yet.

What's unfortunate for the Republicans is that if not for the bridge scandal that refuses to go away, my bets would've been on Christie to not just win the nomination, but a legitimate shot at winning the general. Why? Because Hillary is a shitty candidate out in public, awkwardly trying to act human this side of Nixon. Christie for his problems can think on his feet and be genuinely entertaining.

But since Christie beat himself before his opponents could beat him, nevermind.



In that hypothetical match-up, I really have a hard time believing Hillary would lose unless the economy shits the bed like in '08.

But yes talk about Americans loving their franchises.

Rubio does not think he can win. Because the times said he had 4 tickets while driving in only 20 years. He is an arch criminal so the democrates think he will be a bad president.

So you think Jeb bush and Hillary are the same?

They have never been see together Foots

is there any democrat that can beat Hillary for the democratic nomination?

or are we stuck with her for the presidential election?

Bernie Sanders has been rising in popularity lately.

Sanders an admitted socialist a joke.

I say this as somebody who grew up in Miami:

Nobody knows how to drive down there. NOBODY.



He's as likely to win that nomination as Trump is to win the GOP nomination.

exactly.

I think his brash style would have been a hard sell to middle america, but seemingly it was his race to lose.

Shows you that he and his team were just not ready for prime time. Arrogant enough to play silly payback games as Christie was seriously being groomed for national office.

Bush league stuff....no pun intended.

Sanders is borderline communist. No way in hell he becomes president

Trumps detail must have been on high alert down near the boarder today.

El Chopo coulda got him.

On thrumps rape comment.

He was telling the story that the border patrol told him. When a women comes into the country illegal. Other Mexicans rape her. Then she has the baby and the rape child is a U.S. Citizen nice right.

I would not be surprised if someone is paying them to rape those women.

He's not even going to win his party's nomination.

Then again I have the impression Hillary could fuck up a cup of coffee, so you never know...

After that McCain flap, many folks thought that would hurt Trump hard in the polls. Nope. In fact, he's more popular than ever.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2...s_are_also.html

In fact: Military folks dig him more than McCain.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...-double-digits/

just shows you how out of touch the republican party is, if they take trump seriously, they stand a good chance to put that devil Hillary Clinton in the oval office.

The media don't know how to deal with a field of 17 GOP candidates--too difficult to differentiate among them, too much work to cover each of them. So, they zero in on Trump because he feeds them raw meat. His lead in the polls is directly attributable to the near-monopoly he has on GOP candidate coverage. Since the upcoming GOP debates will be limited to the top 10 candidates as determined by polls, Trump's media coverage will pushing out at least one serious candidate. And, the seven candidates who don't make it into the debates will be finished--period.

Nice how the media determine who we will elect, isn't it?

Also blame the GOP establishment for that debate culling rule after the last election, alot of folks blamed the countless debates with all the candidates who tried to out-flank each other with the red meat for why they lost the national election.

You know what's really funny? We've made jokes about Dubya being dumb, yet he was the last Republican to win a national election and how did he win in '04? He actually campaigned for the Hispanic vote, not treat them condescendingly or make them the scapegoat or whatever, because he figured alot of them would share Republican party interests. And they did! Dubya scored the highest voting % among Latinos for a GOP national candidate, and he won re-election by a squeaker.

Contrast that with now.

Thanks to a technicality, Hillary is getting a free pass from GOP non-proit attack groups because she's currently not in office.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/hi...its-119977.html

My understanding is that there is to be a second debate for the candidates who aren't in the top ten, and the winner will go on to a debate with who's left from the first debate.

Someone already asked trump if he is not the nominee will he run as an independent that is what the democrates want. To dilute the republican vote.

Two things:

Fox News is responsible for the 1st Republican debate rules, not the Republican Party.

I disagree with TB's post above. It should be obvious that Donald Trump's comments are the most salient among all of the candidates and that's why he receives much media coverage.

Correction a Fox News & CNN rules. There has never been more then ten canadates for president in any party before. The CNN will have the rest of the canadates.

Polls are misleading if you ever been polled before you know what I mean. They ask leading questions so they can make the poll say what ever the pollsters what them to say.

Should Pataki be in the first debate?

What they should do in the first debate is not answer and leading questions to knock other republican canadates.

Just answer question on why Hillary is a twat and should not be president.

if he runs as an independent, it would help the democrats get elected, but, how can the republicans stop him from running as a third party candidate. can they?

No they can't but if he did that after saying he is a conservative republican. Then he truly is a dummy.

They could offer him a spot in the cabinet on the economy.

He's irrelevant.



I really have trouble believing Trump would blow a good chunk of his own money to run 3rd party when he knows he can't win. He's basically threatening the party to not hurt his feelings too hard or ELSE!

I (if I was the party) would tell him to fuck off personally without subtlety and very loudly, but that's the GOP establishment for ya: Scared of their own base, even though those same assholes still turn out and vote for their candidate. People forget that Willard had record turnout from Evangelicals and the highest white vote since 1984.



If you mean Treasury...no sane Republican would want that. Would YOU trust him with a nickel?

Do you think you can trust the people in the treasury already?

They printing an extra trillion a year. What are the using it for?

To keep the euro from crashing. The euro will crash, the the U.S. U dollar will crash.

Then what do you think will happen?

Are you saying you really want Trump for Treasury?

Because he's the same guy who lost money on a casino. A CASINO! You know a building invented by God to make money.

Let him run the Pentagon. They know how to blow money.

I am not sure we should even have a treasury department. They have no over sight no one is watching what they are doing. I meant the federal reserve.

I think if what they are actually doing starts to get out to the general public there will be a panic.

foots, I think you got something there, and I know what makes you say that.

the federal reserve has never been audited, it is as secret as anything in government.

The cops have an Internal Affairs Department for a reason (for all the good it does). Same principle should apply here.

First big republican debate tonight on fox. Try to watch it on tv or you tube.

Don't listen to reporters reporting on it. They all put their own bullshit spin on it and who won.

Watch it an decide for your self.

I don't know the information base of some of the posts stated herein. However the Federal Reserve's Board and its member banks are subject to Congressional oversight and General Accounting Office audit as per federal law. The Federal Reserve also has an Inspector General office to conduct audits and investigations. In addition, the Federal Reserve Board employs accounting firms to conduct annual audits. Each member bank (there's 12 of them) conducts annual internal audits and reports its findings to the Board. Not so secret, no?

Why is the federal reserve printing a twillion dollars more a year then they ever did before. What are they doing with those dollars.

What did all those audits say about that?

The Federal reserve does not print money; only the US Treasury can do so.

There has only been one audit of the fed and that happened in 2008. The media does not talk about it

The Federal Reserve is the chief culprit behind the economic crisis. Its unchecked power to create endless amounts of money out of thin air brought us the boom and bust cycle and causes one financial bubble after another. Since the Fed’s creation in 1913 the dollar has lost more than 96% of its value, and by recklessly inflating the money supply the Fed continues to distort interest rates and intentionally erodes the value of the dollar.

For the past 30 years, Congressman Ron Paul has worked tirelessly to bring much-needed transparency and accountability to the secretive bank. And in 2009 and 2010 his unfaltering dedication showed astonishing results: HR 1207, the bill to audit the Federal Reserve, swept the country and made the central bankers shudder at their desks. The bill passed as an amendment both in the House Financial Services Committee and in the House itself.

But the usurpers of America’s future didn’t take it lying down. They weren’t about to allow their secrets to be exposed and their magic money machine to be put under close scrutiny. They worked frantically behind the scenes to quietly derail all efforts to open up the Federal Reserve to an independent audit.

A handful of Fed-loving U.S. senators led by Chris Dodd rewrote the Senate version of the Financial Reform Bill to strip out Ron Paul’s Audit the Fed amendment and actually expand the Fed’s power over banks, lending and money. As Ron Paul commented on here, the Dodd bill completely eliminated legislation to audit the Federal Reserve, which had already passed in the House.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) introduced an amendment on the floor effectively adding the Grayson-Paul language to the Senate bill, but later changed his amendment under pressure by the Federal Reserve and the Obama administration. The altered Sanders amendment passed the Senate on May 11, 2010 by a unanimous 96-0 vote.

Sen. Vitter reintroduced an amendment with the original Audit the Fed language. The Senate rejected the amendment on May 11, 2010 by a 37-62 vote.

The House and Senate went to the conference committee which attempted to reconcile the differences between the two bills (and their amendments). Unfortunately, Ron Paul’s tough language ended up not being included in the final bill.

On June 30, 2010, the GOP introduced Ron Paul’s Audit the Fed bill as a motion to recommit, which was the last chance to alter the financial regulation bill. Audit the Fed failed by a vote of 229-198. All Republicans voted in favor of the measure with 23 Democrats crossing the aisle to vote with Republicans. 114 co-sponsors of HR 1207, all Democrats, jumped ship and voted against Audit the Fed.

But let’s start from the beginning. Here’s the fascinating history of Ron Paul’s Audit the Fed bill:

02/2009: Ron Paul introduces bill to Audit the Federal Reserve

On February 26, 2009, Ron Paul introduced HR 1207, the bill to audit the Federal Reserve:

“I rise to introduce the Federal Reserve Transparency Act. Throughout its nearly 100-year history, the Federal Reserve has presided over the near-complete destruction of the United States dollar. Since 1913 the dollar has lost over 95% of its purchasing power, aided and abetted by the Federal Reserve’s loose monetary policy. How long will we as a Congress stand idly by while hard-working Americans see their savings eaten away by inflation? Only big-spending politicians and politically favored bankers benefit from inflation.”
After a groundswell of grassroots support, HR 1207 and its counterpart in the Senate, S 604, went on to attract 320 and 32 co-sponsors respectively.

10/2009: Mel Watt Introduces Competing Placebo Amendment

With HR 1207 gaining momentum, Congressman Mel Watt introduced a competing banker-approved “placebo” amendment that would have replaced HR 1207 and actually increased the Federal Reserve’s secrecy.

11/2009: Victory over Mel Watt Amendment

On November 19, 2009, after a historic debate lasting several hours, Ron Paul’s and Alan Grayson’s “Audit the Fed” amendment passed 43-26 in the House Financial Services Committee. The amendment called for a comprehensive audit of the Federal Reserve and replaced the opposing “placebo” amendment proposed by Mel Watt.

goes to show how messed up the gop is as a party

Why give any credence to a statement about the Federal Reserve Bank that starts out with "Its unchecked power to create endless amounts of money out of thin air ..."? That is patently false. Once again, only the US treasury Department can print or otherwise create US currency.

In addition, the House Financial Services Committee and both the Senate's Finance Commission, and its Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs committees can recommend to the full House and full Senate respectively that an audit of the Federal Reserve Bank be conducted.

The ridiculous conspiracy theories about the Fed are amusing in a Lyndon LaRouche type of way.

Helen is the dollar being used to prop up the euro? If so and if the euro crashes what happens to the dollar?

In the 7 man debate that just ended. The question was never even brought up.

No studio audience so no bull shit applause.

I am sure you all saw it do you think any of the lower group will move up in the polls. I doubt it.

They did a poll on who won the mini debate the only girl in it for the republicans got over 80 percent of the vote. No one else even close to her.

I heard if you stay in your seat after the credits roll on the GOP debate, Trump removes his skin mask to reveal that he's actually Andy Kaufman. Set your DVRs.

That would be great.

the debates were good puppet theatre, at my age I no longer tske anything the candidates say as serious.

it's all a big show, the military runs the country, if anyone doesn't think so.... try to get out of a war. you may find out where the real power is.

That Dude from Ohio is Solid.

A vote for Graham is Vote for War, that guy wants to kill everyone.
Probably his Boyfriend too.

Just sayin, rumor has it.

Yep, he seems like an old fashioned power bottom.

I have yet to see any Republican candidate that wouldn't, at the very least, be a lesser evil than Hillary Clinton.

I don't know that "any" Republican candidate can best her, but someone will. I've been saying it for eight years, she never sees the Presidency. No way, no how.

The way the Left attacked Reagan, Dole and McCain about their age was fucking shameless. Well, guess what, kids?

She's roughly the same age now as they were then. What comes around goes around. I hope they use Photoshop to make her look older, haggier and more out of touch than she already is.

Now, don't take me wrong. Bob Dole was a throwaway vote back in '96. But the way the Left went after his age was awful. Like I said, what comes around goes around. Fuck Hillary Clinton, and his wife, too.

I'm not making any predictions on who will win, though don't underestimate the stupidity of the American people. The same voters who put Obama in office (women, low info minorities, social marginal types, idealistic/ignorant youth, and liberal elites - including the media) will vote for her.

I just think (hope) that Americans have grown tired of these political dynasties. The Bushes, the Kennedys, the Clintons. They had their fucking day. It's enough already. If we wanted a handed down Monarchy (albeit with rotating families), then we never should have split from fucking England. It's absurd.

Jeb Bush has been making one gaffe after another, and the mainstream media will make sure to give each and every one more time than what they've given to Iran or Planned Parenthood. The Obama Justice Department is now criminally investigating Hillary, so they may in the process of throwing her under the bus, especially if Biden jumps in. So there's little chance that either one will make it to the White House.

Poetic justice, and music to my ears. And for the record, I think Biden's an idiot. But why should a sitting two term VP step aside for someone because of her last name? Fuck her. Did I say that already?

I saw both debates. On the earlier one that women Carly was very good. She could become a sleeper.

The others in the first are not going anywhere.

In the second was watched by 23 million people that is unheard of.

I thought Donald was an idiot after the debate ended. He actually thought he did well? He said that he might run on a third party ticket if he does not win the primary a fucking idiot.

I thought Marco Rubio was good. Ted Cruz was good and Jeb Bush held his own.

Thrump was set up by Kelly the hot blonde. But he has to expect that.

The so called deal that Obama is pushing is going to crash and burn.

I got a call poll from chuck schumer office asking if we thought the deal with Iran was good. I guess everyone said no that is why he bailed out on the deal.

Kasich did very well. Reasonable, intelligent, compassionate, full of specifics. Of course, he doesn't have a chance of getting the nom, which is a shame.

I like Kasich. I think there's several good choices from the second debate of the evening. Looking forward to the next debate, and I hope Carly Fiorina gets to participate in that one.

Doesn't it suck when you can beat the opposition, but your own fucking Party won't let you?

Registered voter since 1977.

Independent voter since 2012.

Fuck partisan politics.

Amen friend, amen.

I registered in the early 1980s and have always been independent/nonpartisan.

I disagree that Kasich doesn't have a chance. It's based on polls and votes, and the one who stands out with the highest favorables wins the primary. I was a fan of Rand Paul, but my interest in him has declined while my opinion of Kasich and Walker has risen. In fact my top three (in no particular order) -- right now -- are Kasich, Walker and Fiorina. The next two are Carson and Cruz. The person who ends up on top may not by any of my choices because the polls and votes are simple majority rule. Doesn't mean the party is preventing my top people from rising to the top.

I liked Kasich a lot. Not to mention he's from Ohio, a key state to win for the Republicans.

Carly Fiorina is sharp as a tack. Fuck Hillary, that woman could be President of the United States. I want to see her on the prime time debate.

And Amen PB, partisan politics have destroyed the mobility and law making process of this nation. We are so damn polarized and it sucks. George Washington, the father of our nation, warned about party politics- "the gangrene of faction must not be allowed to rot this government"

Can you vote in primaries where you live if you aren't registered as a specific parties member?

I know in some states you can, some you can't.

I think if you're an independent you have the choice of voting in either the Republican primary or the Democratic primary. But only one

Each state's election code dictates whether a state is an open primary state or a closed primary state. Texas is a closed primary state, but operates as an open primary state. One can vote in any party's primary, but one can only vote in one.

it depends on your state. Some have strictly closed primaries (like NY which is why I didn't ask PB), some have open, some have semi open.

In some where you're allowed to vote without being affiliated the primary you vote in affiliates you until the next election,in others it doesn't.


Edited to add- thank you Olivant for the Texas info.


I don't get to vote in primaries, I'm a former NY resident and now I live in NJ. Both are strictly closed. Although in national elections I tend to vote third party anyway, as neither state is normally a battleground and it's my little way of saying F you to the two party system.

Christie for Pres. Trump, Veep.

Christie says, "Sit down and shut up", and Trump follows up with, "You're fired". Oh yeah, these two have their shit together.

I have to pick a side to vote for in the primary. I can't pick both or more.

^ thanks for the reply.

There's a lawsuit pending here to push NJ to open primaries, but it still working it's way through the courts. Not having it open excludes about 50% of the state's voters, which is kind of outrageous.

Any Republican impress you MC?

I disagree there. Trump is leaving the competition in the dust because the Republican voters are done with illegal immigration. Plain and simple. And I have news for many of you, many Democrats are done with it too, not to even mention Independents.

But is it about the man, or the mission? Do we hire someone because we like them, because they don't curse when they speak, and have good manners...or do we hire someone for a job because they can get it done?

There is in fact an exigent circumstance facing the United States right now, and Trump is only one of 2 or 3 candidates willing to get tough with it. That issue is immigration.

No sir. The biggest mistake ilegal aliens could ever make would be to harm Trump.

And Trump making a tour of the border states is a huge power move. People down there are fed up with immigration enforcement. Now close your eyes and imagine Trump with the Republican nomination touring all the states on the Southern border. He is very much a contender.

Trump is a freaking idiot. I pray he doesn't get the nomination.

As for who I'm voting for in the GOP primary, so far it's Ben Carson and/or Mike Huckabee.

Whoever GOP elects to be their nominee, with the exception of Trump, it better be someone who's smart and portrays an air of confidence and is likable. That was Romney's problem in 2012, he could have won, but he wasn't a people's kind of guy. The Republicans need pragmatism, not ultra conservatism.

Tell me again what is so great about Ben Carson?

most republicans need to realize that this ain't the 1950s and welcome themselves to 2016

shit it ain't even the current republicans fault.....BUSH RUINED THE GOP

Bush only messed up Bush. That's a hurdle for Jeb Bush, but not the other candidates. The current crop of candidates are all top people...former governors, senators, a brain surgeon, a billionaire real estate developer, and the former CEO of HP. Rand Paul isn't just a senator, he's also an eye surgeon. Several are former prosecutors. Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz (who was one the lawyers on O.J.'s defense team back in the 1990s) said that Ted Cruz was his best student and a top debater. Some of the former governors were re-elected in majority Democrat states, something that takes real skill and bipartisanship.

And they don't represent the 1950s, but they do have stronger religious beliefs than Democrats. Atheists tend to lean Democrat and conservative Christians and Jews lean Republican. So that's good or bad depending on your values. If you like socialism, abortion, poor race relations, and consider international terrorism relatively unimportant, then you'll probably vote Democrat. If you like the free market, are pro-life, want better race relations, and think terrorism is important, then you'll probably vote Republican.

^^^^^^

since when do republicans want better race relations? is that a joke?

religion should not be a part of who runs the country

the republicans having 16 candidates shows how disfunctional of a party they are

Again cook you are completely misguided on everything.

Republicans don't want a theocracy, they want to protect the right to exercise religious beliefs. They also recognize the importance of religion in our culture. The majority being Christianity but other faiths as well. Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikh, etc.

Democrats have fooled your respective ethnic group into believing every Republican is an old white male intent on suppressing you. If you want to see who your oppressors truly are just look at the party 80-90% of blacks vote for every election.

The first debate did not go well for race relations. They asked that question only to one candidate, who only vaguely answered it under 29 seconds, before they went to commercial and that was for Straight Out Of Compton which lasted under a minute. Funny ass shit huh.

That's hilarious





The GOP's biggest mistake was allowing itself itself to be taken over by religious extremists. The GOP once prided itself on being the big-tent party. Those days are long gone.

The GOP initially took the positions it did on social issues in order to fish for votes, and then found it couldn’t go back. Its like the old fable of the scorpion and the frog. There used to be moderate Republicans, and even pro-choice Republicans, but they have become completely marginalized within their own party.


I respect everyone's faith, and ask that they do the same of mine. But when people seek to impose their faith they impinge on my rights. And I take issue with that. Freedom of religion means freedom from religion. We all have the right to worship and believe as we wish, but religious freedom ends there. We must always keep the wall between church and state.

bush and the tea party ruined the republicans, bush was so bad, he got Obama elected.

I saw in the paper today, that jeb bush said "we need more troops in Iraq" is he insane? doesn't he get it yet?

people want out of the war.i think that statement could cost him his partys nomimation.

Does he have sons? If so he should send them first.

We did need more troops in Iraq? That is why Iran and Isis took Iraq over.

We better not intervene in Iraq with Isis. Hopefully Iran and Isis will kill each other off.

A. The Republicans aren't ruined. The first Tea Party mass movement occurred the day after Rick Santelli on CNBC criticized an Obama recovery plan on February 19, 2009. Unless they had a time machine the Tea Party movement couldn't have affected the 2008 election. There were small Tea Party groups that were local, but there was no national movement until after Santelli spoke.
B. Bush didn't get Obama elected. John McCain was a poor candidate and ran a bad campaign while Obama ran a much better campaign.
C. If you have an issue with what Jeb Bush said, consider that Donald Trump said he'd send troops to Iraq and take their oil wells.

Actually, what hurt McCain was that he choose a nut job as his running mate. Palin set women back a hundred years.

She was stupid enough to be the governor of Alaska. Which game her far more experience that Obama had and he was running for president.

I'm not a fan of hers, but poll numbers from 2008 disprove that. She actually increased McCain's poll numbers, and that wasn't just with the MILF-lovers.



You're right. Obama had zero executive experience when he ran for Prez and had not even had a full term as a senator.

@faithful

barack Obama was in Illinois policitcs for 10 years

Illinois politics is better training than most other states

The only thing Chicago for a black gang member was good for was to learn how and where to hide the weapons they would use to kill before they actually kill some one.

cook, you are kidding aren't you? is it 3 out of the last 4 governers in Illinois that went to prison? one sold obamas empty senate seat.

yes, great training, gets you ready for Washington, where you can just keep on being bought.

Like Binnie said, a lot of them ended up in prison, so I guess it is great training in how to be a corrupt politician!

She was picked to get the party's base excited, because up to that point they were as animated as a brick. Did she cost McCain votes? Maybe, maybe not. It's one of those tough things to argue whether a perceived "shitty" running mate actually costs votes.

Consider this: Dan Quayle quickly was seen as a joke in 1988, getting creamed in his own V.P. debate by that certain moment that's one of the most replayed highlights in the history of televised American debates. That said, Bush Sr. still won that election in a landslide.

Or 1952, Nixon was accused of doing illegal shit* and people (some within his own party) called for Ike to dump him. He gave the Checkers Speech, rallied his party's base to support him, and Eisenhower won in a landslide.

*=The same sort of shit that the Democratic candidate for President that year, Adlai Stevenson, had done as well but without any public attention what so ever.

I have to give props to Trump. I thought the debate would kill him, but the precise opposite happened. In fact Jeb and Walker both apparently came off poorly.

It's funny we're talking about "experience" since several names I see on top of the GOP polls (Trump, Carson) have precisely ZERO elected/political experience.

Then again Grant/Eisenhower/Zachary Taylor as Generals had zero elected office experience as well. In fact Taylor didn't vote in a national election until his own! Grant is considered one of our worst Presidents, Eisenhower is considered a very good/semi-great President, and Taylor died before he could have any meaningful impact.

So what does this mean? It's a crapshoot.

As for the other party, didn't I say Hillary could fuck up a cup of coffee? Now Sanders is leading her in one New Hampshire poll and VP Biden may run after all.

Fun Fact: The last time Republicans won the White House without Nixon or any of the Bushes on the ticket? 1928.

I've known Ronnie for a very long time, and although he's floated a bit too far to the Left for my taste (he used to be much more of a Centrist, like myself), I can honestly say that he has no love for Hillary. She's done anyway. I told you guys eight years ago that she'll never see the Presidency. And she won't.

yeah, you said it a while back, it looks as though you called it right, you called it before the e-mail scandal.

so, you must have heard something or been privy to some information because before this e-mail thing she was the front runner, looking like she could do it.

Ronnie what do you think of Bernie Sanders?

taught him how to diplomatically deal with crooks which is what the president does

Chicago is a powerful city and he maneuvered through to become the president

don't be mad at Obama, be mad a George bush

Why be mad at Bush?

See, that's partisan thinking. A person can disagree with Obama's policies, or they can disagree with Bush's policies, but not both. With Bush, I disagreed with the invasion of Iraq, and once we were there, the de-Baathification was wrong. However, especially after reading Michael Morell's book "The Great War of Our Time," I can see why Bush AND almost every member of Congress (including Hillary and Kerry) believed that he should have invaded. I also have issue with his new Medicare plan. Another issue is that he wasn't a fighter and allowed himself to get misrepresented without defending himself. At least Obama stands up for himself. On policies though, I disagree with most of them for reasons I can defend, just like I can defend my not liking certain policies of any other president.

Sometimes I'll see people saying that only racists disagree with Obama (not saying that anyone here said that). That's stupid and is in itself racist. It basically says that he's too weak to handle criticism. To me it seems that he's perfectly capable at defending himself, far better than the previous president.

So if you're going to support Obama because he's Obama, then it shows that you're only interested in partisan politics. I've been an independent since I started voting, and I will criticize anyone who I believe is not doing the right thing for the American people.

I think we all know why cook supports Obama. It's the same reason why so many black people do. They don't have the ability to see the guy objectively and will always have the knee jerk inclination to defend him no matter what. And me stating that isn't being racist (in case anyone wants to make that accusation) it's just a fact.

You know there is a lot more youth gang related crime now here in Brooklyn since our Mayor came into office, and he got rid of Ray Kelly. Plus stopping the stop and Frisk.

The crime is ethnic and not white crime.

But that must be not true because we all know ethnic people are being framed. There all innocent.

I would advise everyone to carry a weapon. You get in trouble use it and don't worry about getting arrested. If you do so what at least your still breathing.

Ivy, there are those in the African American community that don't like Obama, but he is better then the last president. He is just not good for a Caucasian health, notably the rich type who loves their money. I voted for him the first time, this last time around I went with an independent.
Footreads, what's next? NYPD start carrying squirt guns? Though it is good see them laying off the other ethnic groups.

There are those in the African American community who don't like Obama? You mean all 5 of them?

And Obama being better than Bush is debatable to say the least.

Carly Fiorina would make a good President. I think Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, or John Kasich would too. Walker I wouldn't mind. I wonder if the next President will be Protestant or Catholic. JFK was the only non-Protestant President we've ever had

Obama is a Protestant?

Officially yes. Some presidents have cared more about religion than others but Obama is documented as being Protestant. Most blacks are.

He is not most blacks he is special. Raised in Moslim countries his daddio was a Moslem until he wound up in Hawaii with mommy nice ghetto. I thought I had it tough. Then he became a Protestant? How did that happen?

But evidently it did happen

Then he goes to Chicago working with gang bangers well he was a real street guy coming from Hawaii he had a lot in common with them.

In Chicago, Obama was a member of a Methodist church that taught Black Liberation Theology, which is a mix of Marxism, liberal Protestant Chistianity, and black nationalism.

It happened because he recognized he had to appear to identify with those who's political support he would need. Most of the black community was Protestant so he played along. Now, mind you, I'm in no way saying Obama is a "secret Muslim." One can see certain leanings of his when it comes to Israel and Palestine but that's due much more to the typical pro-Palestinians/anti-Israel political sentiments many on the left hold. Obama is your classic modern day secular progressive who really couldn't care less about religion.

He's not Muslim. I've never understood people who think he is. It's well documented as Faithful said that he was a member of a Church. A nutty Church that taught black nationalism but still a Church.

But yeah he's definitely more on the progressive side. I mean Roosevelt was technically on the progressive side for the time period. Anyone know how religious he was?

i must know all 5 black people that don't like obama or maybe u don't any black people

you probably don't know any blacks but you're a expert on black people

obama had to clean up bush's MESSES and stabilize the country, he's did a decent job

god help us all, if another bush is elected. if jeb bush is elected we will be at war with Iran, and the whole middle east.

I question the sanity of all bushes.

TR was a member of the Dutch Reformed Church of America. He would probably be considered religiously conservative or evangelical. Politically he was conservative on some issues and progressive on others, but progressivism back then wasn't far to the left like it is today. He was clearly liberal on economic issues in the sense that he was for increased regulation such as being for minimum wage laws and was a known "trust buster."

I actually know several black people and work with a few of them.

What mess of Bush's did Obama clean up? Iraq? By that logic Bush had to clean up Clinton's mess. And Obama completely pulled out of Iraq instead of leaving reserve forces like Bush and others recommended and, well, we saw the result.

But what am I talking to you for? Obama could set an orphanage on fire and you'd find some way to defend him.

Faithful, seeing as you are a man well versed in political lore, I ask you this: you think we're ever going to get a President with true leadership and vision again? Someone like Teddy, or FDR, Reagan, JFK or Lincoln? I hate the goddamn political elite we have today

rockstar, ever is a long time.

I lost respect for Fiorina after she pandered to the psychotic anti-Vaxx folks. You might as well pander to the Hollow Earth folks and Loch Ness Monster believers.

Actually, I take that back. Nobody dies because of the latter two's insanity.

I like Kasich, and if he was the nominee...he might win. But he's running to be the Jon Huntsman of this primary. He's not winning.

Obama has been a better fiscal conservative than the last 3 Republican Presidents. If Dubya had the cut deficit numbers that Obama has, Republicans wouldn't shut up about it for the next 20-30 years.

Then again, Obama in his first term deported more illegal immigrants than Dubya did during his whole Presidency. A fact Dems would like to forget, a fact that Republicans conveniently forget.

You know, there was a psychopath who actually kept that insane asylum of a country contained for eons. Too bad Dubya took his head off and we're paying for it.

It's weird how Bush Sr. foresaw the very thing his boy clearly didn't. People crucified Bush Sr. for not going into Iraq and "finishing the job." But he knew better. Nevermind he had no international consensus/alliance to do that, but he understand that if the Iraqi state was to collapse, there would be chaos that the U.S. forces would be forced to deal with and Iranians would use that opportunity to exert influence over the Shiite community in that country.

A Republican wise/sane with foreign affairs? Would love to see that exist again, instead of simply reactionary posturing.

A leftie on some matters, a rightie on others. But the GOP has become so damn insane, anything considered sane and decent is "liberal" compared to them anymore.

Remember that Ronald Reagan quote: "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. It left me."



Honestly I've not actually "cared" about the Democratic primaries so far, or emotionally invest myself. So I have no opinion about him so far.

2 things however are hilarious:

(1) Hillary once again as heir apparent/cake-walk-to-Presidency is being threatened with being toppled by a supposed "too liberal" candidate that unlike her, seems to stir up some actual passion among the base.

(2) that the candidate that shall supposedly carry the Dems' liberal banner against the Republicans (led by those old white guys)....is an old white guy.

If Hillary gets elected President not long after that Israel will attack irans nuclear program.

Is Carson and old white guy? Is Rubio and Cruz old white guys?

I got a call from Carsons campaign wanting me to get his book and make a donation of 500 dollars towards his campaign.

Bush senior did not go into Iraq because his mandate was to get the Iraqi army out of Kuwait and nothing more.

Bush junior should have put Bush senior in his cabinet and listen to him.

Based on this video of the 1st debate, I support Ben Carson, though all came strong...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGlBv8Z3NU&feature=youtu.be

you are right about the bushes, George w was a moron compared to his father. just hope we don't get another bush.

Of course. Israel will know they can no more depend on her for support than they could Obama. The Democrats, and liberals in general, have never been friends of Israel and have always been too eager to capitulate to Israel's enemies.

When my daughter graduated college in 2002. Half of the students wore scarves. I had no idea what that was about so I asked my daughter. It was a Palestinian scarves in support of the Palestinians.

not to mention he killed a few of "america's" enemies

It's because they just got done being brainwashed by the liberals who run most colleges nowadays. The blind leading the blind.

Even back then colleges weren't as bad as they are now.

I can understand wanting to support a supposed 'homeless' people. But if those kids knew any Palestinians or their leaders they'd change their tune in a heartbeat. They are not likable people at all.

When the terrorists hit the wtc. They showed pictures of the palestini's celebrating.

My wife worked in one of those buildings. Kids called an woke me up asking about her. That is how I first found out about it. She left the house as the first building was hit. I told him once she found out about it she would come home so don't worry.

It took her over 8 hours to finally get home. She could not call me phones and cells were not working. I built myself into a frenzy by that time.

I was going to visit some places in Brooklyn and show them what a terrorist really is then she showed up so I let that idea go.

I don't think professors or talk show hosts are to blame for swaying young adults one way or the other.

I blame parents who don't engage their children in discussions about the world and real life issues.


These teens and early 20s are hearing about these topics for the FIRST time in a lecture hall or on some political tv/radio show so they can't put the issue in proper context and instead just follow the lead of the person presenting the information to them.



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The conflict that you guys are discussing now is not one that I care about either way...on either side.

Just interesting to note how comments can be made with no recourse about certain groups of people ,but not others.

I thought my kids to make up their own minds about things.

However my youngest daughter the communist who lives in Germany evidently was influenced by her college professors.

She has more book smarts then I do a lot more. But her street smarts are lacking even though if she ever had to physically fight she can more then handler herself.

If she was in NY when occupied Wall Street was here she would have sided with them. Just like the other machines who are followers. I told her I went to see for myself what was going on there. I also told her I dropped two of there leaders when they tried to confront me for tellin the kids there to go home& does guys did not give a shit about them.

Ex-Hillary Clinton Staffer Who Set Up Email Server Plans to Plead the Fifth

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-...d-fifth-n420711

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/s...4a3a_story.html

A former Hillary Clinton staffer who helped set up the former secretary of state's private email server has vowed to invoke the Fifth Amendment and refuse to answer questions after a congressional committee subpoenaed him, MSNBC confirmed late Wednesday.

Bryan Pagliano, who worked for Clinton during her 2008 presidential campaign and at the State Department, has been identified in digital records as the person who set up her email server in 2009.

The House Select Committee on Benghazi, which is investigating Clinton's emails, subpoenaed Pagliano last month to testify. But his lawyer said Monday that the IT specialist would refuse to answer questions, asserting his constitutional right against self-incrimination, The Washington Post first reported Wednesday.

Well, if they throw immunity at him, and they better, I hope he realizes that if he still refuses to answer questions that he's going straight to prison for contempt. That's assuming this works the same way as a Grand Jury, and it should. And once you take the Fifth, right or wrong, you're guilty in the court of public opinion.

More Hillary stink. She's fucking through. But she still doesn't have the class to go away quietly, even though she'll never be jailed because that would only make her a martyr to what's left of the hippie generation and Clinton groupies.

If your name is Clinton, Bush or Kennedy: GO THE FUCK AWAY!!

I wonder what great position this POS will get if she gets elected.

PLEASE NO!!!!!

Not doggie. Bill reserved that for Lewinsky.

LoL, I bet Hillary got a piece of that broad also.

We never heard the whole story on that one either.

It's just another day for the Clinton Crime Family.

I was betwixt about which Forum to post that in...

I was considering "Organized Crime - Real Life". . .

New poll it seems Frank Underwood of house of cards has a better approval rating then Obama

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/politics/scott-walker-drops-out-2016-election/


Washington (CNN)Scott Walker is dropping out of the Republican presidential race, according to a GOP strategist close to the campaign and a senior GOP adviser with knowledge of his plans.

The governor of Wisconsin entered the primary in July as a front-runner -- a darling of both the conservative base and powerful donors after winning his battles against public unions in his left-leaning home state.

Walker has called a 6 p.m. ET news conference in Madison, Wisconsin, where he is expected to announce his decision to withdraw from the race.

The New York Times first reported Walker's plans to drop out.

He rocketed to the front of the GOP pack in Iowa after a rousing speech at the Iowa Freedom Summit in January -- and subsequently, his campaign pinned its hopes on the first state to vote in the presidential nominating process.

But Walker was hurt by lackluster performances in the first two Republican debates. And his poll numbers suffered: In a CNN/ORC poll released Sunday, Walker failed to garner even one-half of 1% nationally among likely GOP primary voters.

He was also hurt by reversals on a host of controversial issues -- including birthright citizenship, on which he gave three different answers in the span of seven days. Those reversals were particularly damaging to his outsider image as non-politicians like Donald Trump, Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina climbed the polls.

I saw all the debates they asked walker practically nothing.

Foot that last debate they just asked questions trying to get each other to bicker and fight on t.v., it really had no substance to me.

I'm still on the Ben Carson train for now.

The CNN debate was a joke they asked them what they thought about what trump said. Moderator was an idiot.

Now they have plants asking about muslems. They asked Carson can a Muslim be president. He said no because they believe in sharia law not the constitution. Now the talking heads said Carson does not want a muslem as president. They did not mention what he said about sharia law.

All except points Ftreads.

Excellent.

Someone said American voters have short term memories when hitting the ballots.

None of this matters now.

This time next year it will be interesting to watch the shit hit the fan and see who fucks it up.

LOL

none of interests me anymore, you get to my age you know the power is not with these moronic office holder.

all the debates, Donald trump, both parties,

great puppet theatre.

100% agree, they use a few "issues" to differentiate them but at the end of the day they have the same agenda

I wonder now that the Obama administration helped bring back the Russians into power again. How can we change that tell me again how Obama was a good president.

I don't think any President can fix all the damage that Obama did as President.

Well Footreads, Obama fixed some of the damages that the Bush administration had did, he opened up the communication channels with some of the nations that Bush had alienated with many of his stances and policies. Bushs You are either with us or against us speech, made a lot of neutral countries resentful towards us. Obama does not bend over much for Israel and Saudi Arabia that often compared to past presidents, he did sent military action for Israel when it looked like Syria might launch an attack on Israel, and military action in Libya on Saudi Arabia behalf. Obama has decrease our military force in some places around the world, I am a strong believer that our base in Hamburg, Germany should stay as it has excellent medical treatment there and can handle almost any type of situation, plus it's location is ideal to help the other European nations incase of a crisis.
One thing that the Republicans tend to forget is so far Obama has deported nearly three times the illegal immigrants that the Bush administration had done during its term in office.

Obama is great.

Germany by the end of next year is taking a million more muslem immigrants. I hope I still have my apartment their I am sure they will make their way here through turkey.

He should run again maybe he can sign an executive order to let him run again.

Obama made any allies we had think you can't count on us. Russia taking any Muslims into Russia?

The next 5 years will be boom years for the US.

Footreads, if you think Barack is a saint, then I will sell you the Brooklyn Bridge for 2 million dollars, but this deal has to be done before the first of October. What do you say?

I think we are fucked.

Tommorow and Thursday kids are off from school. Wed. Jewish holiday Thursday Muslim holiday maybe Friday Mexican holiday haha.

I know this post is a little old now but I have to say something here.

Yes, the US treasury physically prints the money and creates the actual currency/cash we use. But the Federal Reserve is responsible for the actual money supply. They have the legal monopoly on artificial credit expansion and money supply. When people say the fed "is printing money." They don't mean literally, because they're not physically doing the printing of new money but they ARE creating credit out of thin air which ultimately amounts to money creation.
When people point out that the treasury prints the money and not the Fed, it is more of a red herring and changes nothing.

If Obama could run again, he would beat all these assholes.

(And that's including Hillary.)

aka why he would win a 3rd term. Here Hillary, don't drop the ball!

Last Dubya Year in Office:

Unemploymet: 7.2%
Gas/Gallon: $3.24
Uninsured Rate: 15%
Oil Barrels Imported: 11 million
Teen Pregnancy: 40.2/1K
Iran's Centrifuges: 19,000
GDP Growth: -0.3%
Dow Jones: 10,355

Today:

Unemploymet: 5.1%
Gas/Gallon: $2.31
Uninsured Rate: 9.2%
Oil Barrels Imported: 4.5 million
Teen Pregnancy: 26.5/1K
Iran's Centrifuges: 6,000
GDP Growth: +3.7%
Dow Jones: 16,271

So, Mr. Krugman, you're saying that you'd vote for Obama again?

The number of eligible workers has also decreases over the past few years which brings the unemployment rate down, so that stat isnt he most accurate. It is also mandatory to have insurance, which kind of explains that. I think it is difficult to compare presidents, personally I think history will give a better indication, looking back at the state of the country during each presidency.

My favorite thing the libs said, "Affordable Health Care Act worked this year we have X amount of newly insured people." Well yeah when you make it illegal to not have insurance that's what you will get lol

Hillary beats up Bill.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/04/hillary-has-long-history-of-beating-up-bill-behind-closed-doors-book/

How anyone can vote for a woman who shows such flagrant disrespect towards the people who protect her and her husband, and the people who serve and protect America is utterly beyond me.

I can’t think of one major accomplishment Hillary Clinton achieved while secretary of state.

And neither can she when asked on television last Thursday.

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/Lom9mPITxOo

Tell me again why Thrump as president would be bad for the country?

Moe

don't ask me why but I found the story to be hilarious.

Not making light of domestic violence, which it clearly would be, but I knew that as a human being that Hillary wasn't just stoically standing by her man with all the shenanigans that Bill has pulled off.

She was slapping FIRE out of Bill behind the scenes....which is the funniest thing I've read all week.

I read in the Bower book that, after the Lewinsky scandal hit the media, Hillary was heard shouting, "You goddam bastard," and was throwing things. The next day, the White House domestic staff removed a bloody bedsheet from their quarters--and it wasn't their wedding night.

The other day Hillary said that Trump "needs to start respecting women".

I thought that was hilarious coming from a woman who is married to a sexual predator.

Big Democratic debate tonight!

The socialist v Hill v maybe Biden.

The moderators should be asking hard hitting questions tonight. Like why do republicans hate women. Why do republicans want war. Why do republicans can't get anything done in congress. Why do republicans think 1 st grade teachers be armed with bazooka's?

I don't know how they will answers those hard hitting questions.

I might be too busy watching old reruns of Quincy tonight.

Lol! Had a good laugh at that.


Me personally, I can't bare to watch presidential debates.

Anything out of that stupid bitches mouth is nothing but laughable.

She better hope God forgives her for Benghazi.

Here's a summary of last night's Democratic debate. Four old white people trying to out "socialism" each other by trying to see who can give away more taxpayer money, to give away more freebies without any means of paying for them, and one other old white guy who was an old JFK Democrat who didn't fit in. Plus the media asking softball questions and pandering, without which no Democratic debate would be complete.

Haha... This reminds me of the people I had to be around when I made the mistake of being a "criminology" major in college for a while.

Well put

Damn right. Jesus, people who like Bernie Sanders are so gullible. He preys on the naiveté of Millennials who's own weird version of utopia includes free starbucks, internet memes, a twisted sense of social justice, and organic hipster bullshit. Forget actually knowing what you're talking about when it comes to things like the economy, the justice system, our Constitution, and infrastructure. Let's just find a "safety zone" where no big bad people can violate our fragile little feelings groomed and encouraged by our helicopter parents

Spot-on, son. I'm proud of you, boy .

Hillary has weathered another storm RE: Benghazi.

She has the momentum.

I really can't see anyone else being president in 13 months time.

Never happen. The Clinton pig never sees the Presidency. I said it here eight years ago when she was the Democrat frontrunner and I'll say it again. The Clinton brand is done.

Eight years ago she got bested by a community organizer. Maybe this time she'll give it away to a men's room attendant. People are tired of looking at her bloated, aging face.

Fuck the Clintons, the Bushes, the Kennedys, and every other member of an American political dynasty. We don't want a King or a Queen here, who can pass the torch to their descendants. If that was going to be the case, why did we split from England in the first place?

She heard about it. But security was not her job. No one in charge of security was fired. She was asked for months about more security. No dice the siege lasted 13 hours. Not enough time to send help?

They kept asking for help. No dice they let them die. They had help that was 2 hours away. They Did not send them.

Hillary said she told the president. These two are fucked up people.

Why no help Obama was running for reelection did not want it said that the move he initiated in Libyia was a failure.

What's more important helping Americans or getting elected.

More fucked up is the number of voters who do not know about it especially young voters.

They are a disgrace. Plus pushing the lie about the anti Muslim video. Hillary, Obama and all the rest knew it was a lie

It's a weak field.

If Hillary doesn't get the presidency, who will?

Trump? Bush? Sanders?

Too early to know who will be President.

Sanders is ok with taxing the Rich 90 percent of their income. I wonder if they will keep their businesses in the US f he did that? Will they lay off their US workers?

Decent article:

http://m.nydailynews.com/opinion/alexis-grenell-playing-games-gender-card-article-1.2438170

She loves women I would bet you green money she has a women lover. She just does not like rich women even though she is a rivh women. Rode on bills coat tailed to get rich and to get elected for office.

Likes what Obama is doing with the Syrian refuges and so those that great leader cuomo. 15 dollars an hour minimum wage means that everyone else has to get an increase as well. It just might be cheaper to let a machine do what people used to do. Just pay for maintence and no need for health care for a machine.

I like it will make the poor stay poor. No middle class for them.

Adventures of young Hillary

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/X2RlrwHnPj8