I think it was the second time that building was involved in a fire.
They were investigating whether or not any of the plumbing or maintenance work done had anything to do with the fire when I read article last night. Haven't looked for an update. Any new info?
Measles outbreak here in CA which started out in Disneyland and Calif Adventure during Christmas break. The problem here is that many people did NOT vaccinate their children with the MMR vaccines fearing it will cause autism and this preventable disease is now spreading. Getting two MMR vaccines gives a person a 99% success rate against this disease but now many residents are at risk because of the stupidity of some of these parents to not have their kids vaccinated.
Re: the Edgewater fire. News here said 1,000 people displaced. There was a similar fire years ago when they were building condos along the Hudson River. I remember as a kid driving along River Rd. It was nothing but old warehouses and docks. In the past 20 years it became upscale river front residential properties. Somewhere along the line firewalls were no longer a requirement. cha-ching.
I read that the maintenance workers were using a blowtorch welding starting the fire accidentally. The sad part is that instead of calling 911 immediately they waited to put a call into their supervisor first. Bad decision.
Edgewater was a dump but now it's prime property. Beautiful skyline view of the city.
The city will pay $5 million to the elderly mother of Nicholas Guido, an innocent victim slain on Christmas Day 1986 by hit men acting on bogus information from Mafia Cops Louis Eppolito and Stephen Caracappa, the Daily News has learned.
Guido was a 26-year-old telephone installer when he was gunned down outside his Park Slope home while showing off his brand new car to his uncle.
The traitorous Eppolito and Caracappa had passed the name “Nicholas Guido” to then-Luchese underboss Anthony (Gaspipe) Casso who was seeking retribution against the shooters who tried and failed to whack him.
After Eppolito and Caracappa were convicted of participating in eight gangland murders, including Guido’s, city lawyers under the Bloomberg administration fought tooth-and-nail to dismiss the lawsuits filed by six of their victims.
But the gridlock was broken after Brooklyn Federal Judge Raymond Dearie ruled last fall that the wrongful death case could go to trial, citing sufficient evidence that the victims would not have been killed had Eppolito been fired in the mid-1980s for leaking confidential documents to a gangster.
A spokesman for the city Law Department said, “After evaluating all the facts, it was determined that settling the case was in the City’s best interest.
Wow. I remember that like it was yesterday. $5 million after all these years seems pretty inadequate.
It does. The mother is 87 years old now. Very sad.
"Guido threw himself on his uncle saving his life — but his own father died of a broken heart and Pipitone never got over the senseless killing of her beloved son."
At least 6 people dead in Metro-North train crash February 3, 2015 8:44 PM
The incident occurred at the Commerce Street crossing. (Credit: News 12) Related media PHOTOS FROM CHOPPER 12 At least six people have died after a Metro-North train collided a motor vehicle at an intersection in Valhalla, according to the MTA. A black Jeep Cherokee was struck on Track 2 by the 5:44 p.m. northbound train from Grand Central due southeast at 7:08 at the Commerce Street crossing. The train shoved the car about 10 train car lengths north. The MTA says the female driver of the car was struck and killed, along with at least five customers on board the train. Customers self-evacuated to the rear of the train. About 400 customers were taken to a local rock-climbing gym for shelter. Officials say the gates came down on top of the vehicle, which was stopped on the tracks.
Lol they said the same thing about the Xbox One. Actually, strictly technically speaking, it's very possible to do using your laptop, smartphone, tablet, anything if a hacker or the feds really wanted to.
Next your TV will be watching while you having sex and give that info to "third parties" who will sell it to porn websites, all of which you have agreed to by signing (without reading) the 20-page terms and conditions of use. Somewhere in there in microscopic letters is the disclaimer which you agreed to. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Lol they said the same thing about the Xbox One. Actually, strictly technically speaking, it's very possible to do using your laptop, smartphone, tablet, anything if a hacker or the feds really wanted to.
Next your TV will be watching while you having sex and give that info to "third parties" who will sell it to porn websites, all of which you have agreed to by signing (without reading) the 20-page terms and conditions of use. Somewhere in there in microscopic letters is the disclaimer which you agreed to. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Really they said that about Xbox too?. I like my privacy so anytime I read about how a product or company can follow what I buy, watch, say, wear, or consume it catches my eye. I was using strictly cash for awhile so that my debit card would not be on file for hackers to get info from me or stores to follow what I purchase. That didn't last too long. I'm back using my card again.
Ha ha ha ha be afraid of the TV recording your sex life. That was so funny Malandrino. I love your sense of humor.
Lol, thanks. Well we might laugh and exaggerate but it's not that far from the truth. Companies already do this kinda thing, and they're the only ones who profit. They bombard you with 30 pages of contract where the most important line is deep somewhere in there in microscopic font. If you choose to read it and waste an hour of their time you risk looking like a hardass, and if you don't, you're basically a mindless fool. They're pretty crafty I'll tell you that
Kayla Mueller, the young humanitarian activist who was murdered by ISIS, is from my hometown, and her family lives here. The tragedy hit home hard. Thousands of people gathered at our Court House Square to honor her and her family, and money and other support are pouring into a foundation set up by her family.
I thought her family made a mistake when they agreed to be interviewed by Savannah Guthrie of NBC-TV (aired yesterday). All NBC was interested in was to exploit their grief for higher ratings.
Kayla Mueller, the young humanitarian activist who was murdered by ISIS, is from my hometown, and her family lives here. The tragedy hit home hard. Thousands of people gathered at our Court House Square to honor her and her family, and money and other support are pouring into a foundation set up by her family.
I thought her family made a mistake when they agreed to be interviewed by Savannah Guthrie of NBC-TV (aired yesterday). All NBC was interested in was to exploit their grief for higher ratings.
sorry to hear about that.
NEVER a good idea for families of tragedy to agree to press so soon after the event.
Kayla Mueller, the young humanitarian activist who was murdered by ISIS, is from my hometown, and her family lives here. The tragedy hit home hard. Thousands of people gathered at our Court House Square to honor her and her family, and money and other support are pouring into a foundation set up by her family.
I thought her family made a mistake when they agreed to be interviewed by Savannah Guthrie of NBC-TV (aired yesterday). All NBC was interested in was to exploit their grief for higher ratings.
Kayla Mueller, the young humanitarian activist who was murdered by ISIS, is from my hometown, and her family lives here. The tragedy hit home hard. Thousands of people gathered at our Court House Square to honor her and her family, and money and other support are pouring into a foundation set up by her family.
I thought her family made a mistake when they agreed to be interviewed by Savannah Guthrie of NBC-TV (aired yesterday). All NBC was interested in was to exploit their grief for higher ratings.
but, don't forget what kind of audience sees them on T.V. maybe they wanted to reach the masses of people,[the family] to let them know of the horrors of isis.
maybe their story could sway those in power to finally put and end to isis. that may have been their thinking, reach the masses.
The feds have smashed a mobbed-up pizza connection drug operation in Queens.
The owners of an Italian restaurant in Corona and their adult son are charged with importing 55 kilos of cocaine in a shipment of vegetables, it was disclosed Wednesday.
Gregorio Gigliotti, his wife Eleonora and their son, Angelo, own several businesses tied to the drug trafficking, including Cucino Amodo Mio on 108th St. in the neighborhood’s Little Italy section, according to a complaint.
The Gigliottis allegedly are associates of the ‘Ndrangheta organized crime group in Italy.
By Empress Eve | March 20th, 2015 at 1:20 pm Tweet
AJ Pero, best known as the drummer for heavy metal band Twisted Sister, has died. He was 55.
The news was posted on the official Twisted Sister Facebook page this afternoon. No cause of death was given.
The members of Twisted Sister are profoundly saddened to announce the untimely passing of our brother, AJ Pero The band, crew and most importantly the family of AJ Pero thank you for your thoughts and prayers at this time.
Hailing from Staten Island, NY, Pero was originally from NY-based band Cities. He joined fellow NY band Twisted Sister in 1982 and appeared on their debut album that year, Under the Blade. Although AJ Pero might not be a household name the way his bandmate Dee Snider is, the drummer was part of the core line-up of Twisted Sister that went on to find mega-success with 1984′s Stay Hungry, which yielded the hits “I Wanna Rock” and “We’re Not Gonna Take It”; he can be seen in the videos for those songs as well. His drums parts were a prominent part of those hits and helped define the anthemic heavy metal tunes of the genre.
Pero stayed with the Twisted Sister through 1985′s Come Out and Play, but left in 1986 to rejoin Cities. Twisted Sister lasted only a few more years before disbanding, but starting in 2007, the group has been periodically reuniting for projects and shows, of which Pero had been a part of, including the New York Steel concert to benefit the NYPD and FDNY Widows and Orphans Fund in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC.
In December 2013, Pero joined the heavy metal supergroup Adrenaline Mob, which just released its latest effort, Dearly Departed, last month via Century Media Records. Earlier this month, Adrenaline Mob kicked off a U.S. tour opening for Drowning Pool. Dates were scheduled through April 3rd, with a stop tonight in Poughkeepsie, NY. The band has yet to make a statement about Pero or of any revised tour plans.
All of us here at Geeks Of Doom are saddened by the news and extend our condolences to Pero’s family and friends. The hard rock/heavy metal world has lost a giant today.
High blood sugar, stress, swelling of kidneys, swelling of skin, lung problems, vision issues: These were some of the medical problems enumerated by lawyers for Thomas DiFiore, a 71-year-old Mafia member, at his sentencing on Tuesday in Brooklyn.
The lawyers were seeking to have Mr. DiFiore sentenced to just the 14 months he has already served in jail since his arrest on a debt collection charge. Judge Allyne R. Ross of Federal District Court instead gave him a 21-month sentence, which means he will be released in seven months.
John Palazzolo, 77, a reputed street boss of the clan’s Bronx faction, got locked up Friday after federal law enforcement officials caught him meeting with other mobsters — a violation of his parole terms.
in past weeks, he was caught by surveillance having a suspiciously long meeting in the parking lot of a diner in Bayside, Queens with “Fat Anthony” Rabito, a consigliere of the Bonannos.
He also met with a mafioso with ties to reputed mob boss Michael “Mikey Nose” Mancuso, who has three more years left in federal prison for a murder rap and is believed to rule the family from the inside.
The feds feared the old gangster was conspiring to take over Bonanno operations in Queens — which could possibly unleash a wave of violence among rival factions.
John Palazzolo, 77, a reputed street boss of the clan’s Bronx faction, got locked up Friday after federal law enforcement officials caught him meeting with other mobsters — a violation of his parole terms.
in past weeks, he was caught by surveillance having a suspiciously long meeting in the parking lot of a diner in Bayside, Queens with “Fat Anthony” Rabito, a consigliere of the Bonannos.
He also met with a mafioso with ties to reputed mob boss Michael “Mikey Nose” Mancuso, who has three more years left in federal prison for a murder rap and is believed to rule the family from the inside.
The feds feared the old gangster was conspiring to take over Bonanno operations in Queens — which could possibly unleash a wave of violence among rival factions.
Victor Gotbaum an influential New York labor leader who both fought City Hall and helped it survive during the 1970s fiscal crisis, died April 5 at his home in Manhattan. He was 93.
Was he working with or against the wiseguys? I'd like to know more about him.
Death penalty is stupid. I would agree with it if it didn't cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars in appeals. Put this shidrul in the cell next to Basciano and put a hole in Vinnie's cell big enough for a shank.
He needs to die and it's too bad he cannot be tortured. Back in the 90's I heard that it costs around $75.000 per year to keep a person in prison. I am sure that the costs have skyrocketed by now. I might be wrong, but don't they require a unanimous jury verdict to put him to death ?? If so, there was one jurist who already said she doesn't like the death penalty. The jury pool has to be full of liberals being in Boston. Whatever the penalty, it's too bad he can't take his mother with him
Sands Point doctor accused in murder-for-hire plot Updated April 15, 2015 5:20 PM
The DEA says Dr. Anthony Moschetto, who worked in Great Neck, sold blank prescription pads, pain pills and assault weapons. (4/15/15) Related media Photos: Alleged Cardiologist Murder-for-Hire Plot MINEOLA - A Sands Point cardiologist charged in a murder-for-hire plot was described as “a new breed of drug trafficker” by prosecutors Wednesday. The DEA says Dr. Anthony Moschetto, who worked in Great Neck, sold blank prescription pads, pain pills and assault weapons. The 54-year-old divorced father of two children was the alleged mastermind of an elaborate plot to have his former business associate and fellow cardiologist Dr. Martin Handler beaten and killed over a business dispute. READ MORE: Long Island Crime Stories Moschetto is accused of hiring James Chmela and James Kalmaras to set fire to Handler’s office. No one was hurt in the February fire. The monthslong investigation by Nassau police and DEA agents began with prescription pills. Nassau's district attorney said undercover agents were also able to buy heroin and assault rifles from Moschetto. Investigators executed a search warrant at the Sands Point home and say they found a cache of weapons, including a hand grenade. Investigators also say they found a stash of illegal knives and other weapons inside a secret room in the basement that was only accessible behind a moving bookshelf. Dr. Moschetto pleaded not guilty in court and is free on bail. His attorney says his client has an “unblemished record.” “He will be vigorously defending all of these charges,” said attorney Randy Zelin. According to the District Attorney's Office, undercover agents were able to buy 400 oxycodone pills and about 200 bags of heroin, in addition to assault rifles between December 2014 and March 2015.
I was reading this article couldn't believe that at just that one checkpoint in San Clemente they seized 1700 pounds of cocaine worth $22 million last year!!
Here's article it's from the OC Register.
U.S. Border Patrol agents at the San Clemente checkpoint on the I-5 arrested a man Tuesday night after discovering $204,620 worth of cocaine hidden in a secret compartment in his car.
The agents found six bundles of cocaine weighing 16 pounds, a statement from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection said.
The 28-year-old suspect, who is a U.S. citizen, was driving a 2008 Nissan Sentra when he was selected for an extra inspection upon his 7:20 p.m. arrival to the checkpoint.
A K-9 alerted the agents after sniffing around the car. The drugs were found in cellophane wrapped packages inside the secret compartment, which was built into the rear speaker partition.
The vehicle was seized by the border patrol.
The checkpoint is operated by the agency's San Diego office. Agents confiscated 1,700 pounds of cocaine worth $22 million last fiscal year.
NYPD officer shot in the head dies from injuries - VIDEO: Police officer shot in Queens - VIDEO: Anti-police rhetoric to blame for violence against cops?
I'm kinda torn about the death penalty. As much as he deserves the chair (or worse) martyrdom was the end game. So I think in this particular instance life is better.
I'm kinda torn about the death penalty. As much as he deserves the chair (or worse) martyrdom was the end game. So I think in this particular instance life is better.
State police say the driver suffered severe burns in the accident and was being flown to a hospital, but further details were not immediately disclosed.
According to the U.S. Geological Survey, the Dallas area has suffered almost 40 small earthquakes (magnitude 2.0 or higher) since the beginning of this year, the latest a magnitude-2.7 quake near Farmers Branch on Saturday. Many of the epicenters were recorded in Farmers Branch and Irving, with a couple to the south in Venus.
I'm kinda torn about the death penalty. As much as he deserves the chair (or worse) martyrdom was the end game. So I think in this particular instance life is better.
Fuck that, kill the scumbag.
Right to bad they went let one of the parents of that little kid he killed pull the switch.
According to the U.S. Geological Survey, the Dallas area has suffered almost 40 small earthquakes (magnitude 2.0 or higher) since the beginning of this year, the latest a magnitude-2.7 quake near Farmers Branch on Saturday. Many of the epicenters were recorded in Farmers Branch and Irving, with a couple to the south in Venus.
2.7 quake now that's funny. I don't get out of bed for anything under a 4.1
Interesting article thanks for sharing. 3 miles from the surface is pretty strong but not if only a 2.7 if it was a 4.5 it would knock you down. Most of the quakes here are 8 miles or deeper 12 to 30 mi. being more of the norm.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio, self-described "toughest sheriff in America," notorious for harassing anyone looking like a Mexican and often cited for violating civil rights of Hispanics, was feted by a GOP organization here yesterday. The restaurant where the event was held: Puerto Vallarta Cantina.
Young girl fell to her death hiking in the area where I live my family went to the same church. I was good friends with her older sister, we lost touch over the years, sad news to hear.
Young girl fell to her death hiking in the area where I livemy family went to the same church. I was good friends with her older sister, we lost touch over the years, sad news to hear.
Young girl fell to her death hiking in the area where I live my family went to the same church. I was good friends with her older sister, we lost touch over the years, sad news to hear.
Vice President Joe Biden's son Beau Biden died of brain cancer. You have to feel for any parent who buries a child, regardless of how you feel about politics and ideologies etc.
Vice President Joe Biden's son Beau Biden died of brain cancer. You have to feel for any parent who buries a child, regardless of how you feel about politics and ideologies etc.
Notice how this (and most other articles) don't bother to tell you the assailants were black. What a great dog.
Hero K9 saves deputy from ambush attack USA TODAY NETWORK Therese Apel, The Clarion-Ledger May 28, 2015
Hero K9 Lucas, who helped rescue a Mississippi deputy from an ambush attack by three men, is recovering and expected to be "fine," Hancock County Sheriff's Department said.
"While Canine Lucas suffered a torn ligament, some broken teeth and road rash, we are happy to report that though he is still recovering, he is expected to be fine," the department wrote on its Facebook page on May 27.
The deputy, Todd Frazier, was beaten and cut with a box cutter in Pearlington, Miss., on May 18, Sheriff Ricky Adam said. If it wasn't for his K9 partner, a black Belgian Malinois named Lucas, they might have killed him.
"They told him they were going to slit his throat, and they were dragging him toward the woods," Chief Deputy Don Bass said, adding that authorities think the attackers meant to kill him and dump his body.
The incident began when Frazier got out of his vehicle around 10 p.m. to check on a blue Lincoln Town Car with a darker vinyl top parked in a rest stop. The driver sat inside alone with no lights on.
"When he got out of the car, two other people came out of the woods," Adam said.
It is not clear yet if the attack was related to recent threats by gangs to attack police on sight, Adam said.
Frazier suffered a 2 1/2-inch cut to his forehead and multiple bodily injuries. The doctor told the deputy it looked like the cut was made by a box cutter.
"The three of them were dragging him toward the wooded area, and he was able to break one hand free to activate the button that opens the (squad car) door and it released Lucas," Bass said.
The dog bit at least one of the suspects, potentially saving the officer's life.
"We don't know how many he got, we just know he had blood all over him," Adam said.
The pop mechanism for the door is only installed in two of the county's four K9 units, and was only recently installed, Bass said. He added that Frazier's experience was a "very near miss."
The suspects fled in the Lincoln, which police describe as possibly a 2000 model. At least one of the suspects will have serious dog bites and the suspects may have crossed into Louisiana.
Frazier was taken to Hancock Medical Center where he was treated and released Tuesday morning.
Bass said that the near miss was a wake-up call for the department.
"It hits us hard, it brings you to your knees," he said. "We're not a large agency, and all these guys have families. The main thing for anybody is to go home safe. We want you to go home at night. But it could happen to any one of them. The threat is here and the possibility is real."
It's not an ideal time to be a law enforcement officer, Adam said.
"We're under pressure every day. They can work 25 years in this business and do everything by the book and make one mistake and they're under the microscope."
2nd major fish kill surfaces in Peconic River June 16, 2015 8:00 AM
In video obtained by News 12, you can see dead bunker fish floating in the water in Riverhead. The fish are causing an odor so bad, its driven residents indoors. (6/16/15) RIVERHEAD - Officials are investigating the second major fish kill in the Peconic River.
Earlier this month there was another big fish kill in the river.
Riverhead officials believe bluefish are chasing bunker fish up the river, where there is not enough oxygen for them to breathe.
Asbury Park Press Breaking News: Neptune cop shoots, kills ex-wife with daughter in car Asbury Park Press - 1 hour ago With his 7-year-old daughter watching from the front seat of his car, an off-duty Neptune police sergeant shot and killed his ex-wife on the street ... Neptune police officer shot estranged wife; taken into custody NJ.com
between the pedo sicko story of the family in Texas and now the shooting story in the church..I'm scared to read this News thread. It's scarier than the organized crime stories and board.
Do we know for sure if this shooting was a hate crime?
that's secondary....at this point.people are dead.
I agree. But tell that to people on my news feed and social media. People are already busting out the #endracism #injustice hashtags
I read a brief article about the story and there's a quote from a survivor about some words the shooter said during the killing....so we will all be able to draw on own conclusions but remember the nature of media and especially social media is to drive traffic to sites or networks.
People are dead and shooter is in custody.For now that's what's important.
MTA: LIRR train strikes 2 cars in Riverhead June 18, 2015
Breaking News (Credit: ) RIVERHEAD - An MTA official has confirmed to News 12 that a Long Island Rail Road train has struck two cars in Riverhead. Police confirm the incident occurred at the intersection of Mill Road and West Main Street. Numerous units are on the scene. READ MORE: Long Island Top Stories News 12 Long Island has learned that a total of five people were in the cars at the time of the incident. There is no information on injuries at this time.
Rome (AFP) - Hundreds of thousands of Italians gathered in Rome Saturday to demonstrate against gay unions and the teaching of gender theories in schools, as Prime Minister Matteo Renzi tries to push a civil union bill through parliament.
I am just curious as to why so many want him charged with a hate crime. There is no question that it really was a hate crime but... he killed 9 innocent people and if that doesn't qualify him for the death penalty nothing would. Adding "Hate crime" to the charges won't make it any worse. Also who wants to take bets on how long he will stay alive in prison ???
I am just curious as to why so many want him charged with a hate crime. There is no question that it really was a hate crime but... he killed 9 innocent people and if that doesn't qualify him for the death penalty nothing would. Adding "Hate crime" to the charges won't make it any worse. Also who wants to take bets on how long he will stay alive in prison ???
The politicians that push for Hate crime do so for the crime to be used as a political tool and that is discusting.
The criminal is completely deranged.
Put him down directly, without delay and make him and any others like him an example to how this is received.
DA: Trio linked to Nassau burglaries arrested Updated June 25, 2015 10:40 PM
Prosecutors say Joseph Borelli, of Brooklyn, and his two alleged co-conspirators Edan and Rotem Balila stole more than $200,000 in merchandise. (6/25/15) MINEOLA - Acting Nassau District Attorney Madeline Singas announced the arrests of three men connected to at least nine commercial burglaries in the county. Prosecutors say Joseph Borelli, of Brooklyn, and his two alleged co-conspirators Edan and Rotem Balila stole more than $200,000 in merchandise. Singas says detectives spent months combing through surveillance video and finally tracked Borelli down on June 16 after he robbed a deli in Plainview. READ MORE: Long Island Crime Stories Police say they linked the trio to multiple break-ins since January. Singas says they may be linked to other burglaries that fit their pattern in Suffolk, Nassau and Queens.
Did you read about what happened in Brooklyn? Lmao people protesting cops and burning flags were confronted by a bunch a bikers and needed the cops to save their asses.
This is what one of the bikers said: “We’re here to f**k up tiny liberal punks,” one biker reportedly declared.
Did you read about what happened in Brooklyn? Lmao people protesting cops and burning flags were confronted by a bunch a bikers and needed the cops to save their asses.
This is what one of the bikers said: “We’re here to f**k up tiny liberal punks,” one biker reportedly declared.
Thanks for bringing the topic up. I have a sort of complicated opinion about this. I feel that every country has a right to secure her borders and limit immigration to those entering country legally and lawfully. Big Sugar industries and DR have been exploiting poor Haitian migrants and their labor for decades. When it was in their best interest to have a porous border and people willing to work in slave-like conditions to feed their families,poor Haitians were allowed to cross the border and cut sugar cane(some of the hardest work on earth).
Restricting immigration, and removing those who are recent immigrants is one thing.....what DR is doing....setting a cutoff point of those who were BORN in DR before 1929...and stripping them of DR citizenship and deporting is part of ugly DR/Haiti animosity that is about skin color and "race"
Haitian govt. has allowed their OWN people to be treated like dogs in DR going on decades. When they only left because conditions were dire in their HOME country,and man will always do what he has to do to feed his family.
Current president is making slow progress, and it take decades of stable govt. and slow progress for Haiti to become a functioning country.Hopefully then, Haitians won't have go to DR or other parts of the caribbean and be treated like animals to find work.
I didn't know that the political and cultural tensions between DR & Haiti. How much of a ripple effect does this cause in the US Haitian/Dominicans communities? As you know it's very few carribeans in my state.
They say that familiarity breeds contempt, and luckily in America...Haitians and Dominicans aren't particularly familiar with each other. I think groups tend to follow the footsteps of similar groups in terms of settling in neighborhoods,etc. So Haitians will move into areas where the most recent similar group,Jamaicans, lived. And DRs will move into areas and churches where Puerto Ricans lived. Mexicans move into former DR areas.
Not much social mingling between Haitians and DRs, but until recently only the Haitians who lived in DR were aware of the level of hatred for Haitians that exist in segments of DR culture. Never personally had a problem with DRs here, but then again...I'm not gonna be in the same circles as the ones who hate Blacks.
They say that familiarity breeds contempt, and luckily in America...Haitians and Dominicans aren't particularly familiar with each other. I think groups tend to follow the footsteps of similar groups in terms of settling in neighborhoods,etc. So Haitians will move into areas where the most recent similar group,Jamaicans, lived. And DRs will move into areas and churches where Puerto Ricans lived. Mexicans move into former DR areas.
Not much social mingling between Haitians and DRs, but until recently only the Haitians who lived in DR were aware of the level of hatred for Haitians that exist in segments of DR culture. Never personally had a problem with DRs here, but then again...I'm not gonna be in the same circles as the ones who hate Blacks.
Gets, as our resident expert on Haiti, if you had the hypothetical power to fix Haiti, what changes would you make?
I only have that title by default, as I'm the only guy here.I mentioned political stability earlier, and coup d'etats, violent transfers of power, have been the norm in Haiti's history.There are a couple of reasons for that. If I could reduce those factors....the first thing I would address is to try to reverse the deforestation that's occurred in Haiti due to (again) govt. incompetence.
here is a view of the Haiti/DR border
I've read numerous estimates but it's safe to say that less than 10% of the trees that stood in Haiti a hundred years ago are up today and the impact on agriculture,climate,etc have devastated the country.
Current president instituted a (fixed)surcharge on money transfers to Haiti that goes towards funding public schools. Step in the right direction. Free public schooling is a foreign concept in developing countries. I'd add MANDATORY English and/or Spanish language instruction. The official language of Haiti, French, is not the 1,2, or even third most spoken language in the Western hemisphere (that would be Eng.Span. and Portuguese in which order not sure)and frankly not speaking any of those languages limits Haitian people in terms of access to information and commerce.Try to open up the world to the youth and future generations.
I'd gradually call for the removal of NGO's and charitable organizations. The Aid industry is mostly made up of scammers and the legitimate ones cripple people's ability to help themselves by giving them things instead of INSTRUCTING them on how to make things or get things for themselves. Millions of dollars were raised to "help the poor Haitians recover from the earthquake" with Haitians as tv props and no answers on where the money went. It went where it always goes. I'd try to replace those resources with a partnership with schools in US,Montreal Canada, France and French West Africa to send grad level students trained in different fields to teach courses in French Kreyol to adult Haitians about agriculture, fishing techniques, using solar energy, commerce,etc
Would, try to re establish the once booming Haitian tourism industry. Haiti is a VERY African country..in blood,art, culture,music,food,etc.Except for a few areas in various countries...in W Hemisphere...Haiti stands out and this is what once attracted thousands of tourists a year ..PRE 1980s and Haiti being linked with AIDS. Before the bottom fell out, tourism was one of the thriving industries in the country. American dollar goes quite far in Haiti , as opposed to other Caribbean destinations.Cuba opening up now would put a dent in my plans but I'd try to do it.
Haiti is a poor country but the really bad conditions began in 1957 with Papa Doc.The "every man for himself" mentality that exists in segments of the culture developed as a survival mechanism under brutal dictators throughout our history but ESPECIALLY under the Duvaliers. That mentality would be the biggest hurdle to whatever progress we'd try to make.
It would all be long term planning, the effect would be felt decades from now and the more detailed plans (economics, public policy,etc) would be designed and adjusted current climate.
Gets, I knew you'd provide good suggestions. I can think of a few others, but they probably wouldn't be as popular as your ideas.
*Outsourcing. Many first world businesses outsource to third world countries. Certainly Haiti could be considered a place to outsource to. Outsourcing businesses would train their employees in English or whatever language that would be used. Police would have to take a greater role to prevent vandalism, theft, etc. of these companies and to take a proactive role so that the employees are not crime victims since Haiti has a much higher crime rate.
*Change in legal system. Increase the police forces and root out corruption, but challenging since the country is too poor to cover this.
*Sue France. France refused to recognize Haiti until 1825, after it demanded 150 million gold francs, later lowered to 90 million. Haiti was forced to do this because it was held hostage by an embargo by France with the support of the U.S. and the U.K. Haiti was not able to pay off this demand until 1947 -- 122 years later. This sort of extortionate demand was not made of other freed countries it is primarily due to...yes...racism. It devastated the Haitian economy is part of the reason it remains impoverished today. This is a major reason for Haiti's deforestation since it used timber to pay off the massive debt to France.
*License logging. I don't know if the Haitian government is already doing this, but if it isn't, it should. The government is too poor to watch all the land, so let private loggers do it. Licensed loggers would be required to plant two trees for every one they remove, and they'd be deputized and armed to protect themselves from illegal loggers.
*Change the constitution. This is another one I haven't checked, but if it's based on the Napoleonic Code, then it's got to go. Under the Napoleonic Code people can be guilty before declared innocent. My suggestion would be to change it to be more like the U.S. Constitution, but under God and not secular.
*Change the education system. Teaching English is a great idea (as well as Spanish), but I would add STEM classes and eventually certain useful technology classes (agriculture, wood shop/carpentry, metal shop/metallurgy, electronic tech, health/basic nursing, etc). Also, for a moral foundation, teach the Ten Commandments.
Agree. Currently work from Western companies is outsourced to stable former UK colonies (India,Ghana) with English speaking well educated labor pool, or to China where manufacturing infrastructure already exists. Haiti comes up short by both measures.
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
*Change in legal system. Increase the police forces and root out corruption
Difficult. In USA, with LEGAL system of lobbying, officials STILL get busted for corruption and bribes every day. In poorer, less organized country...you're talking about Tammany Hall level of open corruption for those in power.Also it's corruption + incompetence..And when you have both..you have a situation where, for example, an earthquake destroys structures that were NOT built to code and thousands of people die needlessly. The cholera epidemic that killed hundreds in Haiti? UN worker from Nepal did bring the disease to the island BUT UN contracted a Haitian waste disposal company to handle the waste from THAT building. Evidence shows that they disregarded ALL accepted protocol for waste disposal and their incompetence DIRECTLY resulted in that waste entering the river...and killing their OWN people. Workers , owner of company, dept that regulates that industry, mayor of the town ALL had no answers.
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
*Sue France.
Several attempts have been made to recover the money.Don't think it's going to happen. In terms of the embargo on newly independent Haiti...US and other countries had to make efforts to suppress a country founded by Africans who defeated their slavers, less it encouraged the enslaved populations in their own countries. The obvious hypocrisy of some of the framers of the constitution and those who lead the French revolution,"enlightened men",... writing about god given rights of men for freedom,etc AND owning other HUMAN BEINGS is not lost. When given the choice, most people choose principal OVER principles.
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
*License logging.
Interesting idea..the modern deforestation is from rural poor chopping down trees for cooking. DR had a similar problem and they smartly gave their rural people alternatives ..which I will look up. But the stopped the people from doing it and prevented long term problems.
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
*Change the constitution.
Constitution has been rewritten and amended several times.Much more modern in scope now.
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
*Change the education system. add STEM classes and certain useful technology classes (agriculture, wood shop/carpentry, metal shop/metallurgy, electronic tech, health/basic nursing, etc). Also, for a moral foundation, teach the Ten Commandments.
Agree...with adding STEM...and practical technical instruction. I believe in God but organized religion has hampered Black folks across the globe more than it has helped.More on that in a future thread about that topic.
Great post,F1. Complex situation....internal and external factors played a part in current state of Haiti. People of Haitian descent living abroad have been spearheading efforts to do some of the things mentioned in this discussion for decades because slowly but surely they can be done regardless of who is in office.
Thanks to you and BF for the interest in the story.
Gets, it sounds almost hopeless, but it's by God's grace that we don't give up hope. There are ways to move up and out of the extreme poverty in Haiti, but those ways aren't fast nor easy.
LOL, They said beach is closed and yet reported that people/guards going up/down the beach telling people NOT to go in the water. As for the surfer, he's pretty lucky that Jaws didn't take a bite out of him.
I don't get how they can be so sure it'll be safe tomorrow. What? They're gonna hear from the shark. ha ha ha
It's a popular beach. Tho I hardly go anymore, it use to be the beach my family would go to. My daughter and her family usually go to Huntington too.
LOL, They said beach is closed and yet reported that people/guards going up/down the beach telling people NOT to go in the water. As for the surfer, he's pretty lucky that Jaws didn't take a bite out of him.
I don't get how they can be so sure it'll be safe tomorrow. What? They're gonna hear from the shark. ha ha ha
It's a popular beach. Tho I hardly go anymore, it use to be the beach my family would go to. My daughter and her family usually go to Huntington too.
TIS
I saw a story that the lifeguards are using drones to monitor for sharks. Anyway, it seems it's one thing after another. Wasn't it just last week that we had these strange looking shrimp/lobsters from Tijuana invading the beaches? I might go to Sunset and check things out. The pier is usually too crowded, especially this time of year.
This is friggin Nuts and I wish I took a picture since I actually witnessed this banner flying over the Fire Island Inlet while fishing today......
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Group flies swastika banner over South Shore July 11, 2015 5:24 PM
Beachgoers along the South Shore were shocked and angered to see a plane overhead towing a banner with a swastika on it. (7/11/15) TOBAY BEACH - Beachgoers along the South Shore were shocked and angered to see a plane overhead towing a banner with a swastika on it. The banner also included a heart and a peace sign, to say "Swastika = Peace and Love." It directed people below to a website called Proswastika.org. As News 12 has reported, a similar banner was flown over Long Island beaches last year as well. The group responsible says it's the sixth year of what it calls "Swastika Rehabilitation Day." READ MORE: Long Island Top Stories The website and the banners are backed by a religion called the Raelian movement. A spokesman says the swastika is a holy symbol that was synonymous with peace throughout history until it was used by the Nazis. But beachgoers who spoke with News 12 said the banner sent the wrong message. "As a mom with a kid active in the military, I know what fighting for peace is, and this is not it," said Barbara Piccione, of Massapequa. "That symbol is the equivalent to hatred, and when one sees the swastika, you automatically think of the Holocaust," said Carol Ferrante, also of Massapequa. Organizers say another banner with the same message was flown over Chicago today. The group says it selected highly populated areas to spread its message.
Any of my fellow Southern Californians (I know there's a few; A-Girl, X, Faithful) experience any encounters with coyotes lately? There's been several attacks in the last couple months. They claim the drought and construction/land movement may be the reason. I have, in the past, mostly heard sounds coming from the mountains and every now and then I'd see one walking in the field at a distance BUT I never had an up close personal experience. I live by a Forest area where they are clearing some land to build homes. Yesterday morning I heard what must of been a herd (if that's the proper term for a group) coming from the mountains as I was out for my early morning run. It was very loud. Plus I have a little dog and I'd hate to have them attack her. That would be horrible.
I always thought they ran from people, but reading/hearing recent events, I may do as they say and take a stick with me just in case. TIS The Coyote killer. Ha ha ha
I always thought they ran from people, but reading/hearing recent events, I may do as they say and take a stick with me just in case. TIS The Coyote killer.
Keep a baseball bat handy, and keep the dog on a really short leash. Be careful!!!
TIS, Most of the time they are out late at night or in the early morning hours. I have seen them in the early afternoon too on occassion. They usually will run away from humans. They will definitely go after small dogs so be careful. Carry pepper spray or a bat or stick like SC suggested just in case. We had a bunny that was living in our backyard (you know how they are out of control here in the hills) and one night I heard an awful sound. Sure enough it was a coyote that got the bunny. Poor bunny.
There is no where for these coyotes to go and not enough for them to eat to survive. So, they will go into the residents' backyards and eat their pets. I think they had to put 14 coyotes down a few years ago.
Any of my fellow Southern Californians (I know there's a few; A-Girl, X, Faithful) experience any encounters with coyotes lately? There's been several attacks in the last couple months. They claim the drought and construction/land movement may be the reason. I have, in the past, mostly heard sounds coming from the mountains and every now and then I'd see one walking in the field at a distance BUT I never had an up close personal experience. I live by a Forest area where they are clearing some land to build homes. Yesterday morning I heard what must of been a herd (if that's the proper term for a group) coming from the mountains as I was out for my early morning run. It was very loud. Plus I have a little dog and I'd hate to have them attack her. That would be horrible.
I always thought they ran from people, but reading/hearing recent events, I may do as they say and take a stick with me just in case. TIS The Coyote killer. Ha ha ha
I'm in Fountain Valley near Mile Square Park. One morning my daughter is letting one of our dogs out to our back yard to do his business when she saw a coyote! He quickly ran away, but our dog is little and if she didn't see that coyote it could have been the end of him.
A couple years back at work in Costa Mesa, near Harbor and Fair, I was parked at Fairview Developmental Center waiting in my car for something and this guy was walking near the parking lot by the administration building and all of a sudden this coyote walks in front of him. This one didn't run away like most of them; it acted like it wanted to play with him!
But to what you said, individually they normally run away, but when they're in packs it's a different story. They can act like a pack of wolves. Smaller and not as dangerous, but they'll attack an adult human when they pack up. There's been a big increase in the population over the past several years because Animal Control doesn't kill them like they used to. They are basically wild dogs, but not as vicious. When raised from pups they can be raised as pets and will breed with dogs.
cops are getting scarier by the day, the way that one cop threw that little lady to the ground he could have killed her.
police conduct continues unabated throughout the country,you could see the beginning of vigilantes against the police, in light of all the killings it could some day happen.
Gets, it sounds almost hopeless, but it's by God's grace that we don't give up hope. There are ways to move up and out of the extreme poverty in Haiti, but those ways aren't fast nor easy.
F1,
Would you believe that since the last post in this mini discussion that I almost got into 2 separate physical altercations with "my people"?
There are lowlifes and pond scum in every culture and without getting into too much detail..the scumbags try to scam and hustle the ones who they don't fear. If you hold your head high, go to school, go to church the losers think they can get over on you and that you won't stoop down to their level to handle things.
I'm no tough guy but if I didn't stand down or become a coward growing up in violence crack era Newark NJ....no way I stand down to these punks.
But this is part of what I was talking about the internal issues that hamper Haiti and Haitians. People are content to remain peasants and live and act that way.Once I stopped seeing them as rational human beings, but as the scum that they were I spoke in the language that scum understands.
Cowards, just like I thought.
If this element of Haitians were the ones going into DR ....no wonder they passed laws to remove all Haitians.
Sorry to hear that, gets, unfortunately scum like that exists in every society. There's an evil aspect to human nature that a lot of people allow to control them. People complain about police brutality and abuse, which everyone rightly condemns, yet we wouldn't need police in the first place if people didn't kill, rape and steal. The higher the number of thugs, the higher number of police are needed to deal with them. When the thugs vastly outnumber the police, then you get anarchy like, unfortunately, Haiti.
Reminds me of a conversation I had the other day with a typical liberal. He was questioning me about foreign aid and I was trying to explain that it wasn't as simple as he thought it was. You can't just throw money at problems and expect them to go away. I reminded him of Live Aid, the 1985 mega-concert that was formed to raise money for starving Ethiopians. After they raised the money and sent it to Ethiopia, the Communist dictator Mengistu stole the money for himself and his thugs. The people who set up the concert never asked themselves why were the Ethiopians starving in the first place. The ever-complicit media, showed images of starving Ethiopians and blamed it on drought conditions. Nobody asked why was there a drought after the civil war and the Communists took over. They forgot how Stalin blockaded and starved the Ukraine in the 1930s. Mengistu was the cause of the mass starvation, and the money would have been better spent if it was used to hire mercenaries to go after them. Instead, the liberals enriched the thugs and left the masses worse off than before. I don't know if I got through to him; usually when I give out facts they just change the subject.
Getting back to your situation, if more righteous people like you were able to band together in Haiti, it would be a much better place.
You know I call you "Cross T's & Dot I's", you support your views with points and facts....so person challenging them best cross every T before debating you.
I've stated that the aid industry is a big charade, that was never designed to do what it professes to do publicly.
It's designed to sustain itself.
The greater evil is that it exploits human beings' genuine compassion for their fellow man. Several middle men get rich..the donors feel better......the poor people get peanuts if anything...and aren't being helped in any meaningful way.
The guy debating you should have thanked you for opening his eyes, because whatever his intent is...the answer is NOT "aid"
I don't know if people just don't have time or don't have the inclination to dig deeper to understand issues but it's never as simple as the five minute news segment "explaining" the story. If a person were aware of past atrocities...like Stalin and the Ukraine...it would be easier to place similar stories in context. But Russia was an ally during WW2 so THAT atrocity doesn't get as much coverage as others.
It's a bit sad that in modern world..where information has NEVER been so readily available that we choose to remain willfully uninformed.
Thanks for the compliment but I don't think of myself as particularly righteous and I'm going to explain the comment I made earlier about Black people and religion. The negativity and despair in Haiti drives a lot of people TOWARD religion in much the same way that the conditions of slavery/jim crow drove a lot of Blacks toward religion. Super religious folks. Religion supersedes everything in their lives and it stunts a lot of personal development,growth, and PRACTICAL education. There's a quote about how , in the 'hood...there is a church on every corner(and a liquor store). Churches are also everywhere in developing countries. Lot of singing, lot of praying....but year after year, decade after decade the lives and conditions of the people in the church do NOT change.
I debate a lot of people, maybe far more than I should, for the purpose of informing. I don't relish fights or the sort of trolling hit and run arguments that a lot of these internet fools get into. After sounding semi-rational, that internet debater ended up writing a bunch of gibberish and how he needs to stop doing cocaine. Whatever. I wish I could get a refund for all that time I wasted on him.
On the church and Haiti, obviously there's little I can write about that. You know far more than I do and I must defer to you on these matters. However, I will say this, if they have anything in common with the churches in the hood, then that might be part of the problem. Years ago I had a first hand chance to examine a lot of the black churches in Los Angeles. For a while I attended a black evangelical church. Almost everyone dressed well and worked as professionals. There was a message of personal responsibility in the sermons and it made a difference in people's lives. This church was the exception.
Most of the other black churches fell into the following categories: the theologically liberal/black nationalist churches that taught victimhood, the more conservative health and prosperity churches that taught that God will make you rich and personal responsibility is irrelevant. Then there is the third category -- and some of these churches overlap with the other two -- where church is basically a social club. The first kind of church teaches anger, the second teaches greed, and the third teaches self-centeredness. The problem isn't the number of churches, but an excess of the wrong kind of churches. And those are just the Protestant churches and doesn't cover the Catholic churches or less traditional groups such as Santeria and Voodoo. You may or may not agree, but I hope you understand my point.
2 - people of a news crew shot and killed, live on TV report in Roanoke VA. this morning.
suspect took himself out
This loser was another F'ing coward, couldn't cope with life so he killed innocent people. He left suicide note....victims were targeted because they were white.
I never buy the mental illness angle in these types of cases...dude made conscious decision to kill people who had nothing to do with his problems.F him.
According to the latest info, the killer was a fan of the VA Tech shooter and the Columbine killers. The TV station did the right thing by letting him go. Don't see how anyone could predict anything like this.
The messages the shooter left behind are a stew of all types of nonsense...praising the Va. Tech shooter, praising Colombine shooters, saying Black men discriminated against him for being gay, saying White women discriminated against him for being Black, the stations he worked for fired him unjustly...he was bullied, yada yada
Whatever reason he decided to target innocent people, F him.
About 6 times in my life i narrowly missed being in places where a catastrophe goes down..so I cringe whenever I read about stuff like this.
It's just such a sad thing. And a monstrous act. When these people take their own lives can't they just do it without taking more people with them?
I mean this was caught on camera. One of the most disturbing things I've ever seen.
I think it says a lot about what kind of emphasis we put on mental health. We need to do start doing something about that. And for God's sake can't we go a week without some nut going off on a killing spree?
Work can be a dangerous place. I was medically retired after being attacked by a patient while on the job in a state developmental center. In another facility one of the staff was beaten to death by a patient.
I heard this morning that today was gonna be the hottest day of the year here in SoCal. My area to be around 100 but I hear valleys will be 105+. We've had hotter but IMO it's been pretty decent this summer as far as 100 degree days.
I heard this morning that today was gonna be the hottest day of the year here in SoCal. My area to be around 100 but I hear valleys will be 105+. We've had hotter but IMO it's been pretty decent this summer as far as 100 degree days.
TIS
We've been relatively cool this summer. Only in the 90s most of the summer.
Work can be a dangerous place. I was medically retired after being attacked by a patient while on the job in a state developmental center. In another facility one of the staff was beaten to death by a patient.
Our local paper regularly runs stories about health care workers at our hospital being attacked by patients--as if the workers' jobs aren't difficult enough. I'm sorry you had that experience, F1.
Work can be a dangerous place. I was medically retired after being attacked by a patient while on the job in a state developmental center. In another facility one of the staff was beaten to death by a patient.
Our local paper regularly runs stories about health care workers at our hospital being attacked by patients--as if the workers' jobs aren't difficult enough. I'm sorry you had that experience, F1.
Thanks, man. Usually the papers out here (Los Angeles Times, Orange County Register) only write something if he health care staff did the injuring, not the other way around. There's a high injury rate and they have be reported to OSHA, but there's little interest by the press.
But worst then that politicians never let a news story go to waste. Hillary said that is why we need better gun control.
Black activists made the victims out to be white racists
But no one said it might be a black hate crime.
I think the real answer is the guy was a nut job.
Hillary Clinton is right...THE UNITED STATES NEED BETTER GUN CONTROL
race ain't got shit to do with a lunatic killing a former coworker live on air
sick bastards trump racism even if they're racist
You're right, race had nothing to do with how he was treated, but he was paranoid, saw himself as a victim and imagined all the "racists" were out to get him. So far, even though he claimed that his victims complained about him, it hasn't been proved that they even knew each other or even met. One story is that he was mad because the lady he killed replaced him after he was fired.
As for gun control, he passed all the background checks. He didn't have a criminal record. So how are you going to keep a clean guy like that from legally getting a firearm? I wish there was a law that prevented bad guys from getting any weapons, but a scenario like that is only in the movies like "Minority Report." The guy was known to have a bad temper, but having a bad temper isn't a crime. The police had to remove him from the station after he made a scene when he was fired, but the police didn't arrest him. Even if they did, it probably wouldn't have been a felony. So what's your SPECIFIC solution?
If they capture the suspect(s) then it's going to be weeks of " mentally unstable " cases or "bullies" ads which is just a migraine by now. Saw a twitter post stated that there are 137 school shootings across our country.
From table 43A of 2012 FBI crime report, 49.4% of those arrested for murder and nonnegligent manslaughter were black compared to their 13-14% in the US population.
Now, consider that almost 100% of the mass shootings in the US since Columbine are by non-hispanic whites.
From table 43A of 2012 FBI crime report, 49.4% of those arrested for murder and nonnegligent manslaughter were black compared to their 13-14% in the US population.
Now, consider that almost 100% of the mass shootings in the US since Columbine are by non-hispanic whites.
Go figure.
Are you sure about that 100% figure?
On April 16, 2007, 23-year-old Virginia Tech student Seung-Hui Cho shot 32 people to death on the Blacksburg, Virginia, campus before killing himself.
On Nov. 5, 2009, Mad. Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, killed 13 people and injured 32 others at Fort Hood, Texas.
On April 3, 2009, in Binghamton, New York, 41-year-old Jiverly Wong, an immigrant, killed 13 people and injured four others at an immigrant services center before killing himself.
On April 2, 2012, One L. Goh, 43, a former student at a Oikos University, a small Christian college, allegedly opens fire in the middle of a classroom leaving seven people dead and three wounded.
On August 3, 2010, Omar S. Thornton, 34, a driver for Hartford Distributors, emerges from a disciplinary hearing and begins shooting, killing eight people at the family-owned distributorship and then himself.
On November 2, 1999, Byran Uyesugi, a Xerox copier repairman, shoots and kills seven coworkers with a Glock 9-mm semiautomatic handgun as they gather for a meeting to discuss his light workload.
John Allen Muhammad was an American convicted murderer from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. He, along with his seventeen-year-old partner, Lee Boyd Malvo, carried out the Beltway sniper attacks of October 2002, killing at least 10 people.
On July 16, 2015, Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez opened fire on two military installations in Chattanooga, Tennessee. He first committed a drive-by shooting at a recruiting center, then traveled to a U.S. Navy Reserve center and continued firing. He was killed by police in a gunfight. Four Marines were killed immediately. A Navy sailor, a Marine recruiter, and a police officer were wounded; the sailor died from his injuries two days later. The motive behind the shootings is currently under investigation.
If they capture the suspect(s) then it's going to be weeks of " mentally unstable " cases or "bullies" ads which is just a migraine by now. Saw a twitter post stated that there are 137 school shootings across our country.
R.I.P to those gone.
I'm very interested to see who again has done something so awful. I hold judgement at this point but if I see that facts of this being another young, student from the area, raised and known in the community, I would like to see the parents dragged through the streets, till dead.
This, the upbringing of the one, or those responsible , is truly root of the problem.
The Oregon gunman was an unusual combination who didn't fit a traditional profile. He was a 20-year-old biracial (black and white) male who considered himself a conservative Republican and an atheist who hated organized religion. Witnesses say that he asked victims what religion they were before shooting them. If they were Christians he killed them, if not he shot them in the leg.
There's no need for judgement when he decided on his basis to pull the trigger for his view points. Regardless of his upbringing when as a young adult you make your own decisions and he decided to be taken out by police.
Now they're saying that he was 26 years old. He was born in England and was raised in Tarzana, California, then the parents split up and he and his mother moved to Oregon. He was said to be quiet or even rude. Liked the Irish Republican Army, which wanted to make Ireland socialist, and admired Vester Flanagan, the gay news reporter who killed two and wounded one before killing himself in Virginia. That's a common element among a lot of these spree killers, mass murderers and serial killers is that they admire other killers. The Columbine killers are heroes to a lot of these scum. People shouldn't focus on skin color. Murderers come in all colors. Focus on them being evil.
Reports of The administration admitting the current policies on Syria are not working and they Will be sending troops into the Wild East Region to ELIMINATE isis.
Any fellow Californians hearing reports of two incidents in San Diego; A sniper type shooting stemming from a domestic argument in the Little Italy area. Everyone told to stay inside. They said incoming flights prohibited at SD airport and nearby elementary school on lockdown.
Also, at Merced Campus in SD, stabbings of several ppl. Don't know details but they shot the perp. Geez, what's going on? (both stories still breaking)
The shooter was about to give himself up, it was reported, then changed his mind. The incoming flight stoppage is going to have a ripple effect on other flights across the country. Last reported that flights are about 3 hours behind. Need to send in RoboCop.
Heard they killed the stabber. Merced may initiate knife control in response, maybe make the campus a knife-free zone.
Michele Bachmann said that there should be a bigger effort to convert Jews to Christianity ahead of the arrival of Jesus Christ. “We recognize the shortness of the hour,” Bachmann said on Tony Perkins' radio program during a tour of Israel of last week. “And that’s why we as a remnant want to be faithful in these days and do what it is that the Holy Spirit is speaking to each one of us, to be faithful in the Kingdom and to help bring in as many as we can — even among the Jews — share Jesus Christ with everyone that we possibly can because, again, He’s coming soon.”
A shooter killed a 43-year-old and wounded two other men, one critically, inside a subway entrance near Penn Station Monday morning, authorities said.
The assailant has not been captured, but sources say three men were seen fleeing the scene of the shooting near the intersection of 35th St. and Eighth Ave. in a silver vehicle around 6:15 a.m. NYPD officers at the scene where three men were shot inside a subway station. Anthony DelMundo/New York Daily News NYPD officers at the scene where three men were shot inside a subway station.
Responders found the dead man on the steps of a subway entrance, with a gunshot wound to the neck, and the other two victims on the street.
The gunfire critically wounded a 45-year-old man who was struck in the neck and abdomen. Another man, 48-year-old Ed Torres, was shot in the leg, law enforcement sources said. First responders rushed both men to Bellevue Hospital. The fatal victim's name is being withheld by the Daily News until the family is notified. Police stand outside the McDonald's where the victims reportedly spoke to the gunman. The restaurant is a notorious hangout for drug addicts. Angus Mordant/for New York Daily News Police stand outside the McDonald's where the victims reportedly spoke to the gunman. The restaurant is a notorious hangout for drug addicts.
The deadly altercation started in a nearby McDonald's, police said. Several people having coffee there got into an argument, and were approached by the suspected gunman, who spoke with them and left, said Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce.
The victims then walked out of the restaurant, and the gunman followed them into the station and fired four shots at the bottom of the stairs, Boyce said. The shooter appeared to use a 9mm handgun, he said.
People in the neighborhoodsaid the three victims all knew each other from the West Midtown Medical Group methadone clinic, just a couple blocks from the crime scene.
"They were cool cats," said Edmund Pieters, 52, another member of the clinic.
"They would just come down, get their methadone, a coffee and chill. I don't know what happened. It's crazy. It's a whole new world down here at night."
Boyce told reporters the shooting"doesn't look like it has anything to do with the methadone clinic."
Police described the shooter as a heavyset male in a black hoodie, and said he did not appear to know the victims. There might be two other suspects, authorities said. policeman Splash News An officer stands guard at entrance of a subway station, with a cane lying on the ground nearby.
Thanks to its proximity to the methadone clinic, the fast food joint is a notorious haven for drug addicts. A New York Times report from July said addicts called the location "zombie McDonald's."
"That McDonald's always has a lot of junkies around there," said Joe Sarcone, 36, a homeless man in the area who takes his wife to the clinic.
"Nine out of 10 times it's always nothing but people trying to get off pills, heroin or trying to cop it, trying to sell it."
Sarcone said he was walking with his wife to the clinic when they heard an argument and, moments later, saw the gunman draw his weapon. The couple heard shots as they ran for safety.
"I just saw the motion," he said. "I seen them arguing and I'm like, 'What the hell? It's too early for this.'"
The intersection where the shooting happened is one block north of where the A, C and E subway lines converge at Penn Station. Police have closed several streets surrounding the area.
At least two bus routes, M20 and M34A, are being detoured as police investigate the triple shooting.
Michele Bachmann said that there should be a bigger effort to convert Jews to Christianity ahead of the arrival of Jesus Christ. “We recognize the shortness of the hour,” Bachmann said on Tony Perkins' radio program during a tour of Israel of last week. “And that’s why we as a remnant want to be faithful in these days and do what it is that the Holy Spirit is speaking to each one of us, to be faithful in the Kingdom and to help bring in as many as we can — even among the Jews — share Jesus Christ with everyone that we possibly can because, again, He’s coming soon.”
When my friend had his deli in east Harlem. There was a another tenement that was for sale for apx 15 thousand right next to his place. No one would buy it back then.
Then a drug rehabilitation people offered him around 30 thousand for the place. Now the owner is as happy as a pig in shit.
But my friend was worried that is would kill his business. Then you could have a drug rehalitation relatively near a school. That school lunch business was a big part of his business.
So he and other local business scraped up 15 thousand to buy the building to keep the drug guys from buying the building.
They meet with the owner he said no unless they pay him the 30 thousand that the drug guys offered him.
Johnny had a lot of friends so a few guys from the neighbor hood went to see the owner. They tried to reason with him. The owner fell of his own roof so no one ever bought that building.
Michele Bachmann said that there should be a bigger effort to convert Jews to Christianity ahead of the arrival of Jesus Christ. “We recognize the shortness of the hour,” Bachmann said on Tony Perkins' radio program during a tour of Israel of last week. “And that’s why we as a remnant want to be faithful in these days and do what it is that the Holy Spirit is speaking to each one of us, to be faithful in the Kingdom and to help bring in as many as we can — even among the Jews — share Jesus Christ with everyone that we possibly can because, again, He’s coming soon.”
After she converts her gay husband, we can talk.
You must be confusing her with Arianna Huffington.
When my friend had his deli in east Harlem. There was a another tenement that was for sale for apx 15 thousand right next to his place. No one would buy it back then.
Then a drug rehabilitation people offered him around 30 thousand for the place. Now the owner is as happy as a pig in shit.
But my friend was worried that is would kill his business. Then you could have a drug rehalitation relatively near a school. That school lunch business was a big part of his business.
So he and other local business scraped up 15 thousand to buy the building to keep the drug guys from buying the building.
They meet with the owner he said no unless they pay him the 30 thousand that the drug guys offered him.
Johnny had a lot of friends so a few guys from the neighbor hood went to see the owner. They tried to reason with him. The owner fell of his own roof so no one ever bought that building.
then again i am also hearing guys say it could be a organized terriost attack not just random nutjobs i dont know till more details come out these fucking scum bags
That is an understatement. This really makes me very angry.
In view of the scope of this news story I think it proper to open a new and separate thread for this. Please give me a minute to do that and then we can all discuss this news in its separate thread.
That is an understatement. This really makes me very angry.
In view of the scope of this news story I think it proper to open a new and separate thread for this. Please give me a minute to do that and then we can all discuss this news in its separate thread.
This new story was the Escalade from the last season, last auction was the Maroon suburban, I think that went for about the same money.
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I saw it. For Fullerton to settle for $4.9 million means they believed that if Ron Thomas took it to trial the verdict would have been $20 million or more and bankrupting the city. It was absolutely brutal.
Some sources are saying that the dead man is a Pakastani named Farooq Saeed and one of his accomplices an unnamed Arab women. They reportedly had AR-15s. It certainly carries the M.O. of Islamic terrorism. Go after government soft targets or large crowds to cause mass deaths, and do it away from law enforcement if possible.
Yea same here, about an hour or less away I'm guessing. Been watching the coverage. For a while they had the freeway closed (10 I think). With 5:00 traffic coming up, omg!! It seems one suspect is dead, one in custody (shot I think) and they're searching for the 3rd one who's on the run. Pretty scary. I'd hate to be living in that area. Cops are checking all homes/buildings. I hope they catch him (her) soon.
My father died after complications from surgery. We mourned..eventually accepted reality and tried to move on with life.
Years later, we get notified that Charles Cullen, may or may not have had something to do with my father's demise. He was working in the same hospital on the same night.
Didn't write this for sympathy or anything..as I'm way beyond that but these types of random attacks on innocent people just gives me a pain in the chest.
I didn't put two and two together, because I never think about it or discuss it, but that's what is is. Had a phone discussion with a good friend yesterday about these shootings and I finally felt comfortable discussing it.
Sorry to hear that. I remember reading about Cullen. The hospitals he worked at covered up what he did and were uncooperative with investigators.
Here's a list of victims of the San Bernardino terrorists. One, Tin Nguyen, lived in Santa Ana, in Orange County, not far from me and probably several other posters. Another was a Messianic Jew who got into an argument with the male killer two weeks earlier. Apparently the killer took the position that Islam was not a religion of peace and Nicholas Thalasinos disagreed. Looks like he proved Thalasinos right. Bennetta Betbadal was a Christian who fled Iran when Muslim extremists took over the country. Sadly she was killed by one in her adopted country.
Things that I've experienced and seen growing showed me that people are expendable in the eyes of institutions, organizations,etc. So hospitals not cooperating with legal investigations is par for the course...trying to limit their liability. I can never be hoodwinked into thinking that ANY institution,company, or group cares about me or has my best interest as heart. You've read me speak about the manipulation of individuals by leaders/groups who use the words "We" and "Us" to get the masses to do their bidding.
THE most extreme example of this kind of hypnotism is the case of killers/suicide bombers where previously rational human beings become monsters and slaughter innocent people.
I grew up in and have lived in cities with long histories of Muslims.Africans,Asians and African Americans.Sunni Muslims mainly but Nation of Islam also. Never an incidence of religious inspired violence...and remember Newark has one of the longest traditions of Islamic followers/believers in the country.
So are we safer now under Obama. Is the Economy better now with Obama? Is their more people on welfair under Obama. Is health care cheaper now under Obama?
If the answer is no will it be better under Mrs. Clinton?
I heard it had something to do with all the school buses. They referred to it as a "fluid situation" with the buses. Let's see what they tell us at the press conference.
It started out where they thought it was school bus related but turns out, as I understand it, LAUSD school board member got e-mail threatening many of the schools with backpacks with bombs and gun violence. Superintendent decided to close all LAUSD schools. So far, looks like author of e-mail claimed to be a devout Muslim BUT authorities said he didn't capitalize "Allah" along with other things he did not reference that make them think he was NOT Muslim. Also, e-mail showed from Germany,but authorities think it was routed thru Germany, but possibly written in the US.
Btw, NYC got same/similar e-mail and dismissed as hoax. As result criticized LA super for closing schools. No offense, but in this case, NYC should STFU. (respectfully) LOL
People in charge in L.A. would NEVER be able to explain if something did happen today and they just brushed it off as a bogus threat.
NYC has more experience dealing with these types of threats and alerts(because of history)...and definitely gets more state and federal funding for such preparation and it was poor choice of words to imply that L.A. shouldn't have reacted the way it did.
Hate when politicians directly or indirectly play these "chest beating" games. I agree with you TIS....if it was DiBlasio or Bratton ...they should have just kept their comments about local safety.
For DiBlasio aka the German who marries a Lesbian. He took a lot of heat right after he got elected for closing down the schools for a little snow storm. So if he is advised by the fbi is not credible he is keeping the schools open.
The only time he will close the schools if it is an occupy wall street even and he is marching with them.
Former Hawaii Lt. Gov. Brian Schatz (D) was formally sworn into the United States Senate on Thursday while holding a Tanakh, or Hebrew bible.
Schatz, who is Jewish, was chosen by Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D) on Wednesday to fill the seat left vacant after the passing of veteran Sen. Daniel Inouye (D), who died last week from respiratory complications at the age of 88.
Following the ceremony, Hawaii’s other Sen. Daniel Akaka (D) rose to call Schatz a “leader for Hawaii’s present and for our future.”
“Daniel Inouye will always be a legend in Hawaii,” Akaka said of the late senator, who had been a staunch supporter of the state of Israel. “We must honor his legacy by working together for the people of Hawaii.”
Schatz, 40, flew overnight to Washington aboard Air Force One to take part in key end-of-year votes, namely regarding a possible plan to avert the fiscal cliff.
Abercrombie chose Schatz over U.S. Rep. Colleen Hanabusa (D), who Inouye had indicated shortly before his death would be his preferred successor.
BF, unless the story is more detailed.....the student mentioned in the article is getting off LIGHTLY compared to what he/she could be getting charged with. Same thing happens ANYWHERE in this tri state area and they are adding all types of other charges....terrorist related.
Two female students in Denver area were arrested yesterday for credible threats against public safety.
For DiBlasio aka the German who marries a Lesbian. He took a lot of heat right after he got elected for closing down the schools for a little snow storm. So if he is advised by the fbi is not credible he is keeping the schools open.
The only time he will close the schools if it is an occupy wall street even and he is marching with them.
Foot,
wow ...I learn something new everyday..I thought Diblasio was an Italian last name. so it's Wilhelm Von DiBlasio ?
DiBlasio is an Italian name. It's the mayor's mother's last name.
True. His maternal grandparents were Itallian immigrants. Mom's maiden name was DeBlasio. Don't know anything about "gay" wife. Never heard about that.
For DiBlasio aka the German who marries a Lesbian. He took a lot of heat right after he got elected for closing down the schools for a little snow storm. So if he is advised by the fbi is not credible he is keeping the schools open.
The only time he will close the schools if it is an occupy wall street even and he is marching with them.
Foot,
wow ...I learn something new everyday..I thought Diblasio was an Italian last name. so it's Wilhelm Von DiBlasio ?
He was born Warren Wilhelm, then changed it to Warren de Blasio, finally to Bill de Blasio. He said his father abandoned the family and was raised by his mother and her Italian relatives.
For DiBlasio aka the German who marries a Lesbian. He took a lot of heat right after he got elected for closing down the schools for a little snow storm. So if he is advised by the fbi is not credible he is keeping the schools open.
The only time he will close the schools if it is an occupy wall street even and he is marching with them.
Foot,
wow ...I learn something new everyday..I thought Diblasio was an Italian last name. so it's Wilhelm Von DiBlasio ?
He was born Warren Wilhelm, then changed it to Warren de Blasio, finally to Bill de Blasio. He said his father abandoned the family and was raised by his mother and her Italian relatives.
That big jerk was at the giglio feast and could not bring himself to lift the giglio. I think his wife the lesbian would have done it.
Years ago I found myself in New York hospital for something. Inside was Meadowlark lemon for something. He was a cool guy. At the same time was the Shaw of Iran for a medical problem.
FBI warns Boston and NYC of a credible terrorist threat that was and is planned for the holiday season.
Both cities are on their highest alerts at this time.
This is being reported on all news services including Fox, CNBC & CNN.
This is bull shit say what it is then have the fbi go all out. Go into the mosques and tell the guys running it. That the same things could happen to them and their families if something happens here.
We handle it like pussies they want a war show the Moslems living here what war is all about.
He is a piece shit and they still let him make commercials for the capital one card. Funny he and Tarantino both doing the same movie. Don't go see that shit fuck both of them.
Meadowlark Lemon, on the other hand, was a genuine person who was involved in ministry for the second half of his life. He helped the poor, Native Americans, visited hospitals. I saw him a couple times when I was younger and it was obvious that he enjoyed making people happy.
Did anybody feel the earthquakes or aftershocks? We did while sitting at a restaurant in Brea. I thought my kid was kicking or moving the table. Pretty mild. I think it was a 4 pointer.
If you have a problem with Lupica or any bias NY Daily News has that is on you I posted it as in the News thread not in a political thread because it happened and I thought it would be okay to copy and paste a link from the site I check on my break at work. Maybe you could pick one of these or give me a "credible" news source that I can use when I want to post things that happen. Thank you in advance
Wasn't Lupica a sports writer that never played any sports as a kid
On the gun thing I did not follow it close because I always had guns, and none of them were legal.
But he wants to call any private person who owns guns and wants to sell or give away two of them to a friend or someone else a gun dealer. They would need a government license as a gun dealer to do it legally. That does not make any sense. People actually think Obama as a smart guy he is far from a smart guy. He is a lot closer to an anarkist then a smart man.
I never liked the daily news it was printed on bad paper. You would get ink all over your hands when you touched it. It was very good to get the imagines off the paper with silly putty. Do they still make silly putty?
If you have a problem with Lupica or any bias NY Daily News has that is on you I posted it as in the News thread not in a political thread because it happened and I thought it would be okay to copy and paste a link from the site I check on my break at work. Maybe you could pick one of these or give me a "credible" news source that I can use when I want to post things that happen. Thank you in advance
Dude, I didn't say that every single article and writer in the Daily News is "compromised," but it is as biased as they come and that bias infects a lot of its news stories. Check out some of the extreme op/eds for example: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/san-bernardino-bloodbath-born-bigots-article-1.2456491 So, according to Stasi, one of the San Bernardino terrorist victims wasn't a victim because he was a Christian -- or even worse -- a Messianic Jew. Most other newspapers wouldn't allow that sort of hate to be printed under their monikers.
And of course there's the tabloid-style over-the-top covers: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.imediaethics.org/ckfinder/userfiles/images/nyb.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.imediaethics.org/gory-front-page-photo-of-mall-attack-kenyas-the-nation-apologizes-ny-daily-news-runs-same-front-page-image-graphic/&h=533&w=389&tbnid=Q4YYTteZFiKbcM:&docid=HJprJEkyrk-RwM&ei=h66MVsjqNJLKjwPcuKiwAw&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwiIyoKRwpTKAhUS5WMKHVwcCjYQMwhFKBMwEw&biw=1920&bih=939
A number of the other papers on your list also have problems, but the Daily News goes way over the top. So I'd recommend reading the Daily News along with the Post to balance things out. You may return to your sarcasm now.
A number of the other papers on your list also have problems
Yes that was part of the sarcasm. I have posted before about print and television media bias, so you saying NY Daily News is bias is something that I am aware of.
“There are no objective facts…. Every report on facts is only somebody’s opinion. It is therefore useless to write about facts.”
Hopefully this will put an end to this, my last job blocked certain sites the only two news site were Daily News and NY Post so out of habit I go to NY Daily news for sports and just to see what is going on. I always post Daily News in the News Thread out of habit not because I feel the articles are scholarly.
Dude, just so you know, what I wrote about the Daily News being biased wasn't directed specifically toward you, but also to the group at large for those who weren't aware.
At any rate, a day doesn't go by when the Daily News doesn't have some crazy far Left SJW story. In the latest, Shaun King writes how Ammon Bundy (one of the people protesting in Oregon) is wrong for comparing himself to Rosa Parks. Except that Bundy didn't send out the tweet. It was from a hoax Twitter account. Guess the truth came out too late for King to delete his rant, but not too late enough for him to add "someone claiming to be you." So although he knew it was a hoax, he still left the story attacking him for something he didn't write. The insanity never stops. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-bundy-comparing-rosa-parks-joke-article-1.2487066
Just heard something from my wife I don't know if it is true yet. Hillary will be indicted on some crime probably for her emails or something else soon.
Just heard something from my wife I don't know if it is true yet. Hillary will be indicted on some crime probably for her emails or something else soon.
It's possible but I wouldn't get my hopes up. It seems to me that if anything is a smoking gun, this latest email is it. Hillary tells a staffer to remove markings from a classified email. That is a blatant violation of the law. You can see it here: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/01/08/wh...thout-markings/
Brain dead mayor of Philadelphia tells reporters that man who shot police officer had nothing to do with Islam. He said it immediately after the police commissioner said the shooter confessed to doing it in the name of Islam and Allah because American law violates Quranic law. He said it after the commissioner played a video showing the shooter wearing Muslim garb.
Brain dead mayor of Philadelphia tells reporters that man who shot police officer had nothing to do with Islam. He said it immediately after the police commissioner said the shooter confessed to doing it in the name of Islam and Allah because American law violates Quranic law. He said it after the commissioner played a video showing the shooter wearing Muslim garb.
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DP A raid. Lmao This is the police open up except they don't announce themselves lol. We know you're holed up in there with your box of cannoli and sfogliatelle watching those no good Jersey bums on the Sopranos. Now hand over the DVDs, the cannoli and sfogliatelle and stop telling us to go talk to your mudda.
DP A raid. Lmao This is the police open up except they don't announce themselves lol. We know you're holed up in there with your box of cannoli and sfogliatelle watching those no good Jersey bums on the Sopranos. Now hand over the DVDs, the cannoli and sfogliatelle and stop telling us to go talk to your mudda.
LoL.
i PICKED up some Arthur ave Bread , gobagoul, supasod and fresh moots.
Just something I heard now. They are bringing Jerry Lewis back to the MDA telethon.
When Martin and Lewis were together and even later when Lewis was making movies on his own. When those movies opened in NYC they would go to a lot of theather's that showed them in person. They would do a ten minute bit live. Man were they funny in person.
Once my wife and I saw the opening of a chorus line on Broadway. I parked my car right in front of me was Franco Harris of the Pittsburg Steelers in his Rolls Royce. I thought what a big head this guy had
We sat in the 5 row orchestra section. To our right was two empty seats. The play starts lights go out. Then in walks 2 people and sit in those seats. It was Jerry Lewis and his first wife. Wife was closest to me. I notice her wedding ring nice. I started to think I may be able to pull it off her finger and run out of the theather with it. But I thought better of it. Might be two tight to pull off. I had no knife so no chance to cut off her finger and take the finger and the ring. So I just watched the show.
[quote=bigboy]I heard this AM on radio that two NYPD cops were murdered, but have not seen anything further about it. This shit is getting out of control [/quote
They weren't kill bigboy tey were shot and thank God they will recover,
He was one of the good ones. Unfortunately that now gives the Hack-in-Chief an opportunity to put one more liberal judicial activist who doesn't give a damn about what the Constitution says on the Court.
On Saturday Night, Alex Jones, conspiracy theorist extraordinaire, went on Facebook to give an emergency transmission to his believers.
Jones: My friends, it's Saturday night, this is an emergency transmission.
Breaking: Justice Scalia Murdered?
Posted by Alex Jones on Saturday, February 13, 2016
Jones: The question is, was Antonin Scalia murdered? And the answer to that is, has the Bill of Rights and Constitution been murdered? Has it been reported that members of the Supreme Court have been blackmailed? Yes it has.
When they kill somebody they say, "it appears to be natural causes, nothing to see."
And I wish it was natural cause, but man, my gut tells me no. And if this is an assassination, this signifies that they are dropping the hammer.
He was one of the good ones. Unfortunately that now gives the Hack-in-Chief an opportunity to put one more liberal judicial activist who doesn't give a damn about what the Constitution says on the Court.
Reports of Yoko Ono being rushed to Mt Sinai hospital NYC after suffering a stroke.
She was actually rushed to Mt Sinai WEST (formerly St Luke's). The same hospital to which husband John Lennon was rushed and where he died.
UPDATE: One of the local news stations is reporting that a spokesman for Ono is claiming that she had severe flu symptoms. The news station is reporting from a different source that Ono was unconscious when she was transported to the hospital.
On page 9 of this thread I posted about a local case of something similar happening.
In the past 2 years I've read about 15 cases of either people blaming fictitious Black people for violent crimes, or people blaming fictitious White people for hate crimes.
Luckily, in all of the cases, law enforcement examined the facts and the consistency of the stories and determined they were based on lies.
I thought that the publicity given to each of these cases would discourage people from doing it again and again but keeps happening.
Lock everybody up who is giving false statements to police about crimes.
I think the unfortunate thing about this and the case from page 9 is that it only make the real struggle harder. Racially motivated hate crimes and speech do happen and to marginalize these things the actually happened for political reason or an attempt to become a figure head of the local civil rights movement is despicable
Ex-Student arrested for making a bomb threat/racist hoax from a CAMPUS computer.Only in NJ
She's Black...created a fake twitter account posing as a White racist..and threatened violence towards Black students.
I agree,Dude.
this was the story.
All the liars involved are clowns who got exposed and will have to explain why for years...and I hope they get sentenced.
People who believed them or their lies had THEIR credibility undermined now.
Worth noting that the students are from Long Island, and maybe not used to taking buses.....but how do they NOT know that there are security cameras on buses?
Hillary Clinton cited the Albany case as an example of racism before the students were outed and charged for the hoax. That appears to be a major issue for a lot of these racial hoax cases - a left-wing political component. It ends up creating a political narrative that when challenged the challenger is called racist.
thanks for posting this. Wasn't familiar with the story. Glad those demons are locked up....Does MS have the death penalty and how did the convicted avoid that?
thanks..I was scared to click the link and my fear was justified. Family of the victim is on the same we shall overcome/ passive Christian /turn the other cheek nonsense that the families of the church shooting in South Carolina were on. Praying for the killer and that type of garbage.
You think any of the victims of the Boston Marathon bombing are praying for the killer or writing letters to spare his life ?
Remember Gets that this took place in the Bible Belt and my state is home to the most churches as well. I understand your expression very well and so do others.
What disappointed me recently was that the state flag's emblem didn't leave the building of the legislature branch SMDH. Now in April there's going to be a Confederate History Month, eh.
I posted this before. I was in criminal court facing charges for a crime I did not commit.
While I am there people were there wanting other people to sign a petition to end the death penalty.
They asked me to sign it. I said sure I told her you know why I am signing this? Because the longer prisoners live the more chance of them killing a guard.
I wasn't singling out Bible belt or Southern Black folks. After the earthquake in Haiti, former dictator Baby Doc Duvalier returned to the island in poor health and was walking around freely. Duvaliers committed as many atrocities against humanity as ANY leaders in history.Most Haitians are in America(or Canada) directly because of how they terrorized the people and wrecked the economy. Rather than someone taking him out....the very people he terrorized felt sorry for him and let him live. He lived out the rest of his pathetic life in peace.
Nazi war criminals are being hunted down and caught in 2016, but in South Africa when the Apartheid govt. collapsed ...the new govt. let ALL those evil acts go unpunished and the people who did it were let off the hook. To "heal" the country.... or some nonsense.
Like I said.....only Black church folks.
I've said for years, it's not about what happens to you...it's about what you do about it. Praying for enemies, forgiving your tormentors? Nobody does that.
BF: If the people involved in killing Anderson are poor the estate won't get anything or very little, making the judgment symbolic. I think better restitution would have been longer prison sentences for the murderers, or the death penalty.
Gets: I believe in praying and forgiving too, but I don't believe that forgiveness by the victim means the perpetrator gets to escape punishment from the government. I also believe that forgiveness is contingent on repentance. If someone is continuing to harm people or defending it, then that person should not be forgiven until he or she stops and admits the wrongness of it. If a person is truly sorry, there is no expectation of reward or escape from punishment. A killer who is truly sorry turns himself in, pleads guilty and accepts whatever punishment is due, and then apologizes to the family and everyone else for his evil act. A person who apologizes after getting caught isn't sorry for anything except getting caught. Criminal heads of state are rarely truly sorry for anything.
Just taking a selfie has proven to be an act that carries the risk of injury. Unfortunately for a 43-year-old Concrete, Washington man, that injury turned out to be death, reports the Skagit Valley Herald.
According to Chad Clark, a Skagit County Sheriff Office official, the man and his girlfriend were taking pictures of themselves while at a suburban residence. The man was holding a gun while taking the selfies, with the girlfriend saying the man removed the bullets and reloaded the gun several times.
Unfortunately, there was a bullet that wasn’t removed after the last reload. Thinking the gun was empty, the man pulled the trigger while the gun was aimed at his head, and the gun discharged, resulting in his death. According to Clark, the death is currently under investigation as an accident.
Weird part of the story is that he had already attacked several people....killed at least one person....refused to drop weapon...threw some type of acid on cops and wasn't taken out.
What more would he have had to do for cops to aim for center mass and kill this PoS?
If I'm pulled over and I sneeze at the wrong time I'd get shot.
The mother of one of the defendants cried as the judge laid into the young men, whom authorities said were captured on surveillance video going without permission into the chapel, located at 1870 Sheridan Road in Evanston, with spray cans at about 12:45 a.m. Friday.
This is the 3rd article I've posted about college kids getting caught on CAMERA committing crimes. How do they not know that they are on camera? These are kids from the selfie-everybody alive has a camera phone-social media on 24/7 era.
The crimes they are doing are things that happen every year on college campuses since forever but what makes them think that they won't get caught?
The mother of one of the defendants cried as the judge laid into the young men, whom authorities said were captured on surveillance video going without permission into the chapel, located at 1870 Sheridan Road in Evanston, with spray cans at about 12:45 a.m. Friday.
This is the 3rd article I've posted about college kids getting caught on CAMERA committing crimes. How do they not know that they are on camera? These are kids from the selfie-everybody alive has a camera phone-social media on 24/7 era.
The crimes they are doing are things that happen every year on college campuses since forever but what makes them think that they won't get caught?
Maybe they were drunk or high. Most likely they were just stupid. Based on what they sprayed it looks like they were trying to create a hoax to make Trump supporters look racist (not that there aren't already plenty of those). I've seen too many of these racist hoaxes that don't get caught on video. The media spreads the hoax like wildfire because they want to believe it, and the hoaxster doesn't get caught until the damage is already done. It's crying wolf with racist vandalism.
Agree with Faithful1. More often this generation acts stupid, but a lot of times it is just to stir up their communities. Not all graffiti vandalism is reported to the news or in law enforcement reports, but those that make it are usually something that shocks the community.
Kill one they find another one. The money keeps flowing in as they control more territory. You have to take the territory away from them. To do that you also have to kill the ones in that territory.
The faster you do it the better. Lighting war is the way to go attack their territories all at once a combination of air, tanks and troops.
Can get it all done in a month or less if we have what we need to do it. Thrump is right about that.
This is horrible Dues! Been watching it all morning long! These f*cking terrorist are nothing more than cowards! This has to stop. My thoughts and prayers go to the families of those killed or wounded by these bastards.
You ever see how they are brain washed in their schools?
It's like when you have a bad parent and he hits you all the time with the excuse that he is just trying to make his kid good.
That's how they do it. You get to lose your feeling like normal people feel. So you would be capable of any terrible act and think nothing of it. They are making you a good muslem.
This is tragic. This comes right after a series of arrests on terrorists and suspected terrorists over the past couple of weeks in Belgium, and the capture of the mastermind behind the Paris attacks. I believe this attack caught Belgium officials by surprise, as Amsterdam security was beefed up this passed week, indicating that intelligence believed that was where the next terrorists attack would occur.
Footreads, Pakistan is notorious for that, and Saudi Arabia is subtle about teaching that in their schools. Jordan and Lebanon are accused of doing that but there is no evidence of that, and personally I do not believe those two countries teach that in their schools. Yemen gets a lot of their funding from Saudi Arabia.
People need to realize that these attacks will not stop. They may be perpetrated by ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, Abu Sayyaf, and on and on. The common element is Islam and its theology. Because the Quran and the Hadith teaches to kill unbelievers (except for those who have been subdued and by a "street tax" called the jizya), this won't end unless Sunni Muslims either leave Islam or reject orthodoxy and adopt a reformed version of Islam. There are also other versions of Islam, such as Sufism or Ahmadiyya forms, but the vast majority of Sunni reject those as heretical. Obviously the Shi'a form that's dominant in Iran and parts of Iraq and Syria has its issues, but it doesn't commit acts of terrorism like radicalized Sunnis.
The point is, the political authorities need to look at the cause of the problem instead of just looking at the symptoms if they want to seriously deal with fixing it. Along with what I wrote, radicalized Islamist neighborhoods like the well-known one that exists in Belgium can't be allowed to continue to exist. Europe needs to be firm in stating that broad Shari'a (where Muslims not only practice Islamic law on themselves but try to force it on others) can't be allowed to exist in their countries. This means expelling the radicalized Muslims and their enablers. Saudi-funded schools that teach Wahabbi Islam have to be shut down. And Germany needs to fire Angela Merkel for leading the way in bringing in more radicalized Sunni Muslims and putting her own people at risk. Europe's weak response will just continue to invite more acts of terrorism.
I agree with you Faithful about those neighborhoods..
It's insane that the governments in Europe allowed these neighborhoods to develop this way, you have them throughout Europe. Cities like Amsterdam, London, The Hague, Brussels, Antwerp, Paris, Berlin etc. etc.
In some places they even enforce Sharia, with young radicals looking for women in short skirts or makeup, and attacking bars and liquor shops. They should've brought the hammer down sooner on this absurdity and not try to be political correct all the time and invite everybody over to have some tea and discuss the problems until they're blue in the face..
People need to realize that these attacks will not stop. They may be perpetrated by ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, Abu Sayyaf, and on and on. The common element is Islam and its theology. Because the Quran and the Hadith teaches to kill unbelievers (except for those who have been subdued and by a "street tax" called the jizya), this won't end unless Sunni Muslims either leave Islam or reject orthodoxy and adopt a reformed version of Islam. There are also other versions of Islam, such as Sufism or Ahmadiyya forms, but the vast majority of Sunni reject those as heretical. Obviously the Shi'a form that's dominant in Iran and parts of Iraq and Syria has its issues, but it doesn't commit acts of terrorism like radicalized Sunnis.
The point is, the political authorities need to look at the cause of the problem instead of just looking at the symptoms if they want to seriously deal with fixing it. Along with what I wrote, radicalized Islamist neighborhoods like the well-known one that exists in Belgium can't be allowed to continue to exist. Europe needs to be firm in stating that broad Shari'a (where Muslims not only practice Islamic law on themselves but try to force it on others) can't be allowed to exist in their countries. This means expelling the radicalized Muslims and their enablers. Saudi-funded schools that teach Wahabbi Islam have to be shut down. And Germany needs to fire Angela Merkel for leading the way in bringing in more radicalized Sunni Muslims and putting her own people at risk. Europe's weak response will just continue to invite more acts of terrorism.
Of course we know they won't do that because it would be seen as intolerant and attacking Islam. And liberals in Western Europe, or the US for that matter, would rather deal with never ending attacks than risk even the chance of being perceived as intolerant.
I agree with you Faithful about those neighborhoods..
It's insane that the governments in Europe allowed these neighborhoods to develop this way, you have them throughout Europe. Cities like Amsterdam, London, The Hague, Brussels, Antwerp, Paris, Berlin etc. etc.
In some places they even enforce Sharia, with young radicals looking for women in short skirts or makeup, and attacking bars and liquor shops. They should've brought the hammer down sooner on this absurdity and not try to be political correct all the time and invite everybody over to have some tea and discuss the problems until they're blue in the face..
I have an apartment in Berlin over looking the canal.
I get a long very well with Turkish population they follow the same laws as the Germans. Not sharia law? They have a lot of street business about three blocks from where I live.
Yes they are poor. They burn dirty coal for heat like we did years ago. I have no problem dealing with them. As a matter of fact I feel more comfortable with them then I do dealing with young Germans and older Germans.
I get along better with them then when I have to deal with the liberal shit heads that live here in NYC.
TIS are you watching? It's CRAZY out here with all the helicopters. High speed chase. Now the suspect is driving on fwy Anaheim Hills. May be heading your way lol or Irvine.
I doubt most women want this. It's the usual shrill feminist fringe who, of course, the Obama administration caters to. In fact, it's a result of the administration pushing for women to be in combat so they in turn could fill any other position in the military. And now it's all led to this most recent draft issue. Unless its a rare case like with Israel, women have no business being in combat roles of any kind.
Just another example of how liberals and their warped view of just about everything ruins everything they touch.
Even Israel doesn't need women in combat and yet certain small, shrill groups in the US want us to believe there is some pressing need. Even to the point of them being drafted. Any honest observer can see this isn't a military question at all. It's a political and social engineering one.
I hope his body doesn't reject it. I think about the soldiers who lost their genitals in IED blasts in the Middle East who could be helped. I remember there was a British-Pakistani who lost his "member" in a childhood car accident and recently had his replaced with a "bionic penis" and later "tested" with a prostitute (or sex worker as they call them over there): http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/12/my-night-with-the-world-s-first-bionic-penis.html
Heard this interesting story on the radio this morning. When James Gandolfini died in Italy of a massive heart attack, apparently a paramedic stole his rolex watch. Can you imagine? The guy's name is Claudio Bevilacqua.
Reporter mentioned a "Sopranos connection" to this guy. They mentioned the Soprano actor who got arrested and is serving jail time. I remember the story but not the details. ANYWAY they said either the actor's name or his character name was Bevilacqua AND that the character stole or attempted to steal a watch from his victim. Are they confusing the name with Bobby Bacala?
Anyone remember that guy or that particular scene or guy's character/real name? I don't.
People steal from dead or dying people all the time. Ambulance drivers, hospital employees and people who come to the house for sales of things the next of kin are selling from the dead persons house.
Someone stole an omega watch I bought my mother. Someone my mother knew took it. A lot of people were there so I could not say for sure who took it.
Anyone remember that guy or that particular scene or guy's character/real name? I don't.
The actor name is Lilo Brancato, who played Matthew Bevilaqua on the Sopranos. He also played Calogero Anello in the Bronx Tale. Brancato was involved in a robbery that went bad, resulting in a NYPD officer to lose his life.
Anyone remember that guy or that particular scene or guy's character/real name? I don't.
The actor name is Lilo Brancato, who played Matthew Bevilaqua on the Sopranos. He also played Calogero Anello in the Bronx Tale. Brancato was involved in a robbery that went bad, resulting in a NYPD officer to lose his life.
Ahh Thanks. So they were right. His character did have same last name as the watch thief. Do you know if Brancato is still serving time?
Some of us think that some things these days are a phenomena of our day and age. This article is about domestic terrorism that took place in 1927. Some things never change.
Anyone remember that guy or that particular scene or guy's character/real name? I don't.
The actor name is Lilo Brancato, who played Matthew Bevilaqua on the Sopranos. He also played Calogero Anello in the Bronx Tale. Brancato was involved in a robbery that went bad, resulting in a NYPD officer to lose his life.
It just another low budget movie. Baldwin must be friends of one of the actors or the producer. He lent his name to the project so it could get financing. If you go see it count the minutes Baldwin is in it. It can't be to many.
It does have the actress who played Tony Sopranos girl friend the wacky girl who sold Mercedes. Trillio who they said killed herself. She wanted Tony to take her too the zoo.
Retired NYC cop whose wife is the niece of Gambino capo Sonny Giuliano and is the daughter of Gambino soldier Richard Giuliano Jr. arrested for running a lucrative prostitution ring
The Mafia apparently rigged Italian prison guard exams By Reuters May 24, 2016 | 9:34am Modal Trigger
The Mafia apparently rigged Italian prison guard exams Aspiring prison guards protest in front of the Justice Ministery building in downtown Rome May 23rd. Photo: Reuters For nearly 8,000 young Italians hungry for work, the state exam last month for just 400 jobs as prison guards was a fiasco. For the Mafia, it may have been a great opportunity, prosecutors in Rome say.
They are now investigating widespread and organized cheating, with 88 people caught wearing bracelets or mobile phone covers carrying the answers to the test, or with radio transmitters and earpieces thought to have been used to pipe in the answers.
The Camorra Mafia north of Naples, based where a company printed the exams, may have gotten hold of the answers and tried to get its own people inside a prison system that is holding 7,000 gang members, including some 700 bosses, prosecutors say.
The Mafia clan is also thought to have sold the answers to other applicants for as much as 25,000 euros ($28,000), according to posts on social media.
The Rome court would not give details of the investigation, but the Justice Ministry wants to nullify the exam results.
“It’s shameful,” Donato Capece, general secretary of Italy’s biggest union for penitentiary workers, Sappe, said of the possible rigging of the exam. “We were the first ones to ask the ministry for clarity” after cheating was discovered, he said.
In Italy, where youth unemployment has been about 40 percent for three years and full-time staff jobs are nearly impossible to find, the exam sheds light on some of the woes that have long afflicted the economy: widespread corruption, pervasive Mafia influence, a lack of meritocracy and a rigid labor market.
“Unfortunately, those who deserve jobs often are not the ones who get them,” said 29-year-old Mina, one of the 1,400 women to take the prison guard exam. “We don’t get to have dreams for the future.”
Cheating in exams for public jobs is not uncommon in Italy, and there have been several criminal investigations in recent years, including into tests for a university professorship and to be a traffic policeman.
In a square near the Justice Ministry in Rome on Tuesday, dozens of people in their 20s who took the test in April, as well as Sappe members, blew whistles, waved flags and sang the national anthem, demanding that the government immediately hire 1,000 new guards.
“I would be proud to wear a uniform for the state,” said Mario, 25. “But it’s also a question of finding a job because it’s very difficult in Italy to find employment and have a future.”
They are now investigating widespread and organized cheating, with 88 people caught wearing bracelets or mobile phone covers carrying the answers to the test, or with radio transmitters and earpieces thought to have been used to pipe in the answers.
They are now investigating widespread and organized cheating, with 88 people caught wearing bracelets or mobile phone covers carrying the answers to the test, or with radio transmitters and earpieces thought to have been used to pipe in the answers.
Ex-cop busted in prostitution ring is CEO of massive porn shop By Jamie Schram, Priscilla DeGregory and Chris Perez May 25, 2016 | 7:18pm
Modal Trigger Ex-cop busted in prostitution ring is CEO of massive porn shop Michael Rizzi Photo: Byron Smith The disability retirement ex-cop turned cyber pimp has also been moonlighting as the CEO of the largest porn shop on the East Coast, The Post has learned.
State records show that Michael Rizzi — the 44-year-old NYPD veteran busted for running a massive online prostitution ring — also runs Nitecap Megastore & Smoke Shop, a “professional adult wonderland” on Staten Island that claims to be “the cleanest dirty store in New York.”
Modal Trigger The store owned by Rizzi.Photo: Dennis A. Clark It is the largest supplier of porn and adult toys on the entire East Coast and is located in the shadow of the Goethals Bridge at 690 Gulf Ave.
On Wednesday — and for the second time this week — Rizzi was released on a $100,000 bond after being arraigned in Brooklyn Supreme Court. He posted bond a day earlier in federal court, but was immediately taken back into custody after an unloaded gun was found during the raid on his home.
Meanwhile, sources recalled today how Rizzi “married into the mob” and quickly became one of their henchman.
“He’s a disgrace to the badge,” a source said. “He’s a bigtime player in the Gambinos. He’s not just a hanger on.”
The source remembered how Rizzi and his wife’s family, the Julianos, once scared a burglar working for the Colombos so bad he skipped town.
Despite the charges against him, sources said the nine-year NYPD vet will not lose his disability pension if convicted. He is scheduled to appear back in court on Friday
The National Toxicology Program (NTP), a division of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), has found a link between the type of radiation emitted by cell phones and cancer in rats. The project has been underway for more than a decade, and with a $25 million price tag, is the most expensive ever undertaken by the program.
The study involved more than 2,500 rodents, exposed to the same type of radiation found in cell phones, at the same frequencies, for nine hours everyday, for two years.
The findings—that male rodents experienced low incidences of two types of tumors—seem to support earlier findings from epidemiological studies, which found the same types of tumors in humans, and which led the International Agency for Research on Cancer to classify radiation as a possible human carcinogen, back in 2011. The tumors found were gliomas (in the brain), and schwannomas (of the heart).
That is not news. I tried to tell the kids not to use cell phones as their regular phones, but they do what they want.
I use a regular house phone when I am home. I carry a cell phone when I go out and have to make a call. I don't answer cell calls that call me when I am out.
That is not news. I tried to tell the kids not to use cell phones as their regular phones, but they do what they want.
I use a regular house phone when I am home. I carry a cell phone when I go out and have to make a call. I don't answer cell calls that call me when I am out.
How that for old school.
My only cell remains in the car 4 AAA services, i never carry a cell (toy)..I am the only person i know w/ a landline..my boss gets pissed he cant get a hold of me off hour's..or text,I would'nt know how to text if you paid me..fuck that when u can just live by the old school days..we r the last of a easier dying age..if i had my way, it would b 1978..
The former Swedish Medical Center employee facing federal drug theft charges for allegedly stealing syringes with liquid painkillers from the hospital carries HIV, federal prosecutors revealed Wednesday.
Rocky Allen, who agreed to release results of his blood testing, was found to be negative for Hepatitis B and C.
So far, no reported transmissions of HIV or hepatitis B or C have surfaced, the U.S. attorney’s office in Colorado said in a statement. Authorities earlier said Allen carried a bloodborne pathogen, but until Wednesday they had not said which one.
The revelation that Allen carries HIV, subtype b, surfaced on the same day that public health officials announced they had found Swedish, the Englewood hospital that fired Allen in January, deficient for drug auditing procedures as well as infection control and surgical services.
The hospital said it had come up with a plan that corrected issues identified in an April report from the Colorado Department of Public Health & Environment. The investigation was prompted by the disclosure of Allen’s arrest on federal drug theft charges.
“The items cited were not directly related to this case,” said Nicole Williams, a spokesman for Swedish. “Upon re-survey, the Health Facilities and Emergency Medical Services Division found Swedish Medical Center to have zero deficiencies.”
Allen worked at Swedish as a surgical technician from August 2015 to January 2016. Swedish reached out to about 3,000 patients who might have been affected by his actions to offer free testing for bloodborne pathogens. Prosecutors said about 2,500 of the patients were tested but that about 500 of those did not participate in recommended follow-up testing. That means there was no testing or incomplete testing for approximately 1,000 patients. Officials encourage those potentially affected patients to take advantage of the free testing still being offered by Swedish.
The former Swedish Medical Center employee facing federal drug theft charges for allegedly stealing syringes with liquid painkillers from the hospital carries HIV, federal prosecutors revealed Wednesday.
Rocky Allen, who agreed to release results of his blood testing, was found to be negative for Hepatitis B and C.
So far, no reported transmissions of HIV or hepatitis B or C have surfaced, the U.S. attorney’s office in Colorado said in a statement. Authorities earlier said Allen carried a bloodborne pathogen, but until Wednesday they had not said which one.
The revelation that Allen carries HIV, subtype b, surfaced on the same day that public health officials announced they had found Swedish, the Englewood hospital that fired Allen in January, deficient for drug auditing procedures as well as infection control and surgical services.
The hospital said it had come up with a plan that corrected issues identified in an April report from the Colorado Department of Public Health & Environment. The investigation was prompted by the disclosure of Allen’s arrest on federal drug theft charges.
“The items cited were not directly related to this case,” said Nicole Williams, a spokesman for Swedish. “Upon re-survey, the Health Facilities and Emergency Medical Services Division found Swedish Medical Center to have zero deficiencies.”
Allen worked at Swedish as a surgical technician from August 2015 to January 2016. Swedish reached out to about 3,000 patients who might have been affected by his actions to offer free testing for bloodborne pathogens. Prosecutors said about 2,500 of the patients were tested but that about 500 of those did not participate in recommended follow-up testing. That means there was no testing or incomplete testing for approximately 1,000 patients. Officials encourage those potentially affected patients to take advantage of the free testing still being offered by Swedish.
Unfortunately it won't register with a lot of people because homosexuals are the victims.
Bull shit they were Americans. I think what we need to do is dip all bullets in pigs blood. With the military as well so we can end this problem with Moslem terrorists.
I will also say for him to hit so many people that night club must have been packed with way too many people in side.
SACRAMENTO – A few short hours after dozens were gunned down at a gay club in Orlando, on Sunday, the Rev. Roger Jimenez delivered his sermon from his Sacramento pulpit. "Hey, are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today? No ... I think that's great. I think that helps society. I think Orlando, Florida's a little safer tonight," he said to the crowd of believers in front of him. A link on his church's Facebook page, Verity Baptist Church, directed viewers to the sermon on YouTube. "It is unnatural for a man to be attracted to another man," he said as he preached for more than an hour. "The tragedy is that more of them didn't die," he said.
Man he is fucked up. Actually happy that 50 people are dead. No one from his church said anything? They agreed with him?
Sort of like the church Obama used to attend with the rev wright Obama never complained about what he said when he and his wife attended that church either.
Disgusting, thats religion for you though....They all absolutely hate gay people with a passion, every book they believe in tell them they should...watch all the others off shoots/religions line up to hate this guy though and expound the virtues of their own fantasy hairy bearded hero ....double standard, fact dodging assholes, every one of them
"America has now averaged one serious Islamic terrorist attack a year on President Obama’s watch, yet he still insists the threat from radical Islam is overblown and that he’s successfully protecting the nation.
If only hubris could be weaponized!
In the wake of Omar Mateen’s Orlando massacre, Obama whined about growing criticism of his terror-fighting strategy. But boy, does he deserve it. His record on terrorism is terrible, and Hillary Clinton should have a tough time defending it.
Here we are in the eighth year of his presidency, and the nation has now suffered eight significant attacks by Islamist terrorists on US soil or diplomatic property — an average of one attack a year since Obama’s been in office, with each new attack seemingly worse than the last.
And there’s six long months left to go.
Obama said Orlando “marks the most deadly shooting in American history.” Actually, it was the second-worst act of terrorism in American history, replacing in six short months the San Bernardino massacre as the deadliest terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11.
On “The 700 Club,” televangelist Pat Robertson reacted to the massacre at an Orlando gay club by making the absurd claim that liberal LGBT rights advocates have aligned themselves with radical Islamists and are now reaping what they have sowed.
Robertson said that liberals are facing a “dilemma” because they love both LGBT equality and Islamic extremism, and that it is better for conservatives like himself not to get involved but to instead just watch the two groups kill each other. “The left is having a dilemma of major proportions and I think for those of us who disagree with some of their policies, the best thing to do is to sit on the sidelines and let them kill themselves,” he told his audience.
On “The 700 Club,” televangelist Pat Robertson reacted to the massacre at an Orlando gay club by making the absurd claim that liberal LGBT rights advocates have aligned themselves with radical Islamists and are now reaping what they have sowed.
Robertson said that liberals are facing a “dilemma” because they love both LGBT equality and Islamic extremism, and that it is better for conservatives like himself not to get involved but to instead just watch the two groups kill each other. “The left is having a dilemma of major proportions and I think for those of us who disagree with some of their policies, the best thing to do is to sit on the sidelines and let them kill themselves,” he told his audience.
I know you don't see it but there is some truth there. As I mentioned below, liberals have always been strange bedfellows with Islam, as polar opposites as they seem. It's why we see Western Europe bending over backwards as they're invaded and those on the left here in the US so slow to talk about radical Islam and change the subject to gun control and blaming Christians for "creating an environment of hate." Watch the video of the leftist douchebags who gathered in Greenwich Village after the shooting. Virtually none of them would identify the real problem.
Originally Posted By: Footreads
I think Obama and Hillary must be fucking muslems or they love their money donations. Do you think that jackass killer was a muslem extremist or not?
Obama is no more a Muslim than he is a Christian. He had to play along early on to get the black vote but it's obvious he's your typical secular leftist who really doesn't give a damn about religion and probably views it with contempt.
That said, like most liberals, he has sympathies for Islam - as unlikely as that seems on its face. There are a variety of reasons for those strange bedfellows. In the case of the Orlando shooter, we're seeing the usual effort to be politically correct (not referring to radical Islam) and attempting to change the narrative to gun control and "homophobia."
On “The 700 Club,” televangelist Pat Robertson reacted to the massacre at an Orlando gay club by making the absurd claim that liberal LGBT rights advocates have aligned themselves with radical Islamists and are now reaping what they have sowed.
Robertson said that liberals are facing a “dilemma” because they love both LGBT equality and Islamic extremism, and that it is better for conservatives like himself not to get involved but to instead just watch the two groups kill each other. “The left is having a dilemma of major proportions and I think for those of us who disagree with some of their policies, the best thing to do is to sit on the sidelines and let them kill themselves,” he told his audience.
I know you don't see it but there is some truth there. As I mentioned below, liberals have always been strange bedfellows with Islam, as polar opposites as they seem. It's why we see Western Europe bending over backwards as they're invaded and those on the left here in the US so slow to talk about radical Islam and change the subject to gun control and blaming Christians for "creating an environment of hate." Watch the video of the leftist douchebags who gathered in Greenwich Village after the shooting. Virtually none of them would identify the real problem.
Originally Posted By: Footreads
I think Obama and Hillary must be fucking muslems or they love their money donations. Do you think that jackass killer was a muslem extremist or not?
Obama is no more a Muslim than he is a Christian. He had to play along early on to get the black vote but it's obvious he's your typical secular leftist who really doesn't give a damn about religion and probably views it with contempt.
That said, like most liberals, he has sympathies for Islam - as unlikely as that seems on its face. There are a variety of reasons for those strange bedfellows. In the case of the Orlando shooter, we're seeing the usual effort to be politically correct (not referring to radical Islam) and attempting to change the narrative to gun control and "homophobia."
obama spent 20 years on the southside of chicago dealing in politics
he got the black vote because he was the 1st black nominee (get over it already)
the shooting in orlando was more of a hate crime than a terroist attack
On “The 700 Club,” televangelist Pat Robertson reacted to the massacre at an Orlando gay club by making the absurd claim that liberal LGBT rights advocates have aligned themselves with radical Islamists and are now reaping what they have sowed.
Robertson said that liberals are facing a “dilemma” because they love both LGBT equality and Islamic extremism, and that it is better for conservatives like himself not to get involved but to instead just watch the two groups kill each other. “The left is having a dilemma of major proportions and I think for those of us who disagree with some of their policies, the best thing to do is to sit on the sidelines and let them kill themselves,” he told his audience.
I know you don't see it but there is some truth there. As I mentioned below, liberals have always been strange bedfellows with Islam, as polar opposites as they seem. It's why we see Western Europe bending over backwards as they're invaded and those on the left here in the US so slow to talk about radical Islam and change the subject to gun control and blaming Christians for "creating an environment of hate." Watch the video of the leftist douchebags who gathered in Greenwich Village after the shooting. Virtually none of them would identify the real problem.
Originally Posted By: Footreads
I think Obama and Hillary must be fucking muslems or they love their money donations. Do you think that jackass killer was a muslem extremist or not?
Obama is no more a Muslim than he is a Christian. He had to play along early on to get the black vote but it's obvious he's your typical secular leftist who really doesn't give a damn about religion and probably views it with contempt.
That said, like most liberals, he has sympathies for Islam - as unlikely as that seems on its face. There are a variety of reasons for those strange bedfellows. In the case of the Orlando shooter, we're seeing the usual effort to be politically correct (not referring to radical Islam) and attempting to change the narrative to gun control and "homophobia."
Or, maybe this is your way of spinning from the fact that guns are the problem.
Disgusting, thats religion for you though....They all absolutely hate gay people with a passion, every book they believe in tell them they should...watch all the others off shoots/religions line up to hate this guy though and expound the virtues of their own fantasy hairy bearded hero ....double standard, fact dodging assholes, every one of them
Overgeneralization fallacy, anyone? No, it's not "religion is the problem." All religions didn't murder 49 people in a Florida nightclub. It was a member of one specific religion, the same religion that has a long record or killing gays, Christians, Jews, Hindus, and "hypocrites." They even kill atheists. And don't be so smug since there have been atheist organizations that have persecuted gay people too.
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
the shooting in orlando was more of a hate crime than a terroist attack
No, it was a terrorist attack and specifically a Muslim terrorist attack. It is Sharia (Islamic law) that says that homosexuals are to be put to death. It's a command. Killing gays isn't an act of hate, it's an act of devotion to Allah's commands. For more on this, read this excellent article which quotes standard Sunni sources: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/43...p;utm_term=VDHM
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Or, maybe this is your way of spinning from the fact that guns are the problem.
Those guns are amazing how they walk into clubs by themselves and shoot themselves off like that. Just like those jets that flew themselves into the World Trade Center on 9/11. Remember when we banned planes because of how they flew themselves into buildings and intentionally murdered people? Planes are the problem.
Donald Trump split Monday with campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, in arguably the highest-profile staff shake-up of the 2016 season – a move that comes after a tumultuous period for the billionaire businessman, and just weeks before he is set to claim the Republican presidential nomination at the GOP convention.
A Trump senior campaign aide confirmed to Fox News on Monday morning that Lewandowski is no longer with the campaign.
It's unclear what specifically led to the decision. The departure of one of Trump's most senior and loyal advisers follows what was widely seen as a rough patch for the campaign.
Gee, Faithful 1, you know, that kind of sarcasm leads me to believe that you're not interested in an exchange of ideas, that you're ignoring historical facts, and only trying to score points in a partisan debate.
Gee, Faithful 1, you know, that kind of sarcasm leads me to believe that you're not interested in an exchange of ideas, that you're ignoring historical facts, and only trying to score points in a partisan debate.
As opposed to all the partisan sarcasm that you've been spewing all along. By the way, I have yet to see a single historical fact that you've provided. There used to be a Wendy's hamburger commercial that asked, "Where's the beef?" So I ask you, "Where's the facts?"
Guns are fine it's the bullets that cause the problems. NY Albanians were playing my friends team in a tournament. Normally when I watch Albanians play I bring my gun to the game. I could not because I ran out of bullets.
You can bring a truck bomb if it ran out of gas.
911 some of the terrorist you know the ones that are muslem learning to fly here in the US. The people that taught them did not think it was strange that they never learned to land.
Let's ban knives you don't run out of ammunition for a knife. Just keep chopping away to some one stops you. Who is going to do it. The police when 7 minutes from you start stabing people. Get two to use a knife. In seven minutes they better ban knifes.
Disgusting, thats religion for you though....They all absolutely hate gay people with a passion, every book they believe in tell them they should...watch all the others off shoots/religions line up to hate this guy though and expound the virtues of their own fantasy hairy bearded hero ....double standard, fact dodging assholes, every one of them
Overgeneralization fallacy, anyone? No, it's not "religion is the problem." All religions didn't murder 49 people in a Florida nightclub. It was a member of one specific religion, the same religion that has a long record or killing gays, Christians, Jews, Hindus, and "hypocrites." They even kill atheists. And don't be so smug since there have been atheist organizations that have persecuted gay people too.
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
the shooting in orlando was more of a hate crime than a terroist attack
No, it was a terrorist attack and specifically a Muslim terrorist attack. It is Sharia (Islamic law) that says that homosexuals are to be put to death. It's a command. Killing gays isn't an act of hate, it's an act of devotion to Allah's commands. For more on this, read this excellent article which quotes standard Sunni sources: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/43...p;utm_term=VDHM
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Or, maybe this is your way of spinning from the fact that guns are the problem.
Those guns are amazing how they walk into clubs by themselves and shoot themselves off like that. Just like those jets that flew themselves into the World Trade Center on 9/11. Remember when we banned planes because of how they flew themselves into buildings and intentionally murdered people? Planes are the problem.
It's pointless to try and reason with posters like these three. They're beyond blind.
I provided the historical fact that you were wrong about Reagan being the first president to crack down on organized crime.
Actually you prove my point even more since I never wrote that. You must be confusing me with someone else.
I don't know if he's getting you and I mixed up but, as usual, OakAsFan is wrong again. Nowhere did I say Reagan was the first president to crackdown on organized crime. I said his administration was a significant part of the renewed national effort against the mob in the 1980s.
OakAsFan, in all his ignorance, wasn't even aware of Reagan's efforts against organized crime. He was too busy being a partisan hack and trying to rewrite history by giving the Kennedys credit for everything that came aftwrward.
The guy's clueless on matters of both OC and politics. He can't even keep straight who he's talking to.
Not sure whats wrong with my quote. Im also not sure what faith does accept a gay persons way of life....the vast majority threaten theyll be punished in this life or the next though. Catholic priests...male virgins who feel qualified to dictate to others when and how and with whom they should have sex? Whilst buggering young boys on their day off....double standards there no? We all know it happens on a huge scale, many times with the full knowledge of their superiors.
All religions will denounce this attack...all the time though, firmly believing and preaching to greater or lesser extents similar doctrines, double standards?....sounds to me an even worse fate that you'll burn in hell forever if your gay. Youre surely not a good person if you believe this bullshit? no youve not carried out a mass murder, but you are acquiencent of the "fact" that people are and will continue to burn in hell because they are gay...Id laugh if it wasnt so fucked up...
Any body who trust priests or school teachers or baby sitters is out of their minds.
Trust no one not your employees either. You can give money to people. Just don't loan money to your friends or relatives an expect them to pay you back.
I went to my brother in laws house on Saturday. It was hot man. When he married his first wife and later divorced her. They had a baby boy little phil. He was the same age as my oldest son. He needed a special formular very expensive other wise he could grow up with a mental defect. His lawyer told him not to pay for it. So I paid for it because the boy needed it. One day big Phil comes over my house. I lived up a flight of stairs back then. It was a two family house I owned. I answered the door and through him down the flight of stairs because I had to pay for his son's medication.
I never talk to him I did not on Saturday. He is handy people call him to fix things wrong with their houses. He has wanted my business for years. Fuck him he was a prick then and he probably is a pick now. My kids like him and my wife likes his new wife. He has had 4 of them. So I went with her to her grand kids birthday party.
The atheist groups that have persecuted gays are tiny groups of deluded idiots, you know that Ivy. Every belief system has it, its only human nature that some people take views to an extreme - yours in particular has the FLDS if I remember correctly (the FLDS make Charlie Manson look like a sexual prude) but we wouldn't say thats in any way a fair representation of what the vast majority believe would we?
However, the MAJOR difference is that nearly every religious faith, and the vast majority of their memberships, actually do seriously believe gays will burn in hell/suffer eternal torture etc etc simply because they are apparently guilty of a sin - and they pass this on to everyone they can at every opportunity. Some will then go on to massacre unfortunate "sinners".
The vast majority of atheists don't particularly obsess over the whereabouts of other peoples penis' or who they choose to spend their lives with or make up ridiculous theories about how they can be punished.
The atheist groups that have persecuted gays are tiny groups of deluded idiots, you know that Ivy. Every belief system has it, its only human nature that some people take views to an extreme - yours in particular has the FLDS if I remember correctly (the FLDS make Charlie Manson look like a sexual prude) but we wouldn't say thats in any way a fair representation of what the vast majority believe would we?
However, the MAJOR difference is that nearly every religious faith, and the vast majority of their memberships, actually do seriously believe gays will burn in hell/suffer eternal torture etc etc simply because they are apparently guilty of a sin - and they pass this on to everyone they can at every opportunity. Some will then go on to massacre unfortunate "sinners".
The vast majority of atheists don't particularly obsess over the whereabouts of other peoples penis' or who they choose to spend their lives with or make up ridiculous theories about how they can be punished.
I believe that the officially atheist Soviet Union did persecute gays, so apparently they were interested the whereabouts of other people's penises. I wouldn't doubt if other officially atheist Communist nations did the same thing. It clearly seems that your claim to exempt atheism is a case of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
By the way, can you please point out when in the past 300 years...or 500 years a Christian or any other religious organization (aside from Islam) specifically massacred gays? Since you make that claim you should be able to point to at least a single example.
The soviet union is backward in all forms of human rights....to use it as a good example of the results of an atheist belief is ridiculous. Your also comparing a country it a particular period of time...Im talking about indoctrinated beliefs that have been around for thousands of years
Religious groups across the world persecute, torture and murder gay people every day..more to the point, are you seriously denying it happens? All in the name of religion...any number of christian fundamentalist groups in africa...even the KKK in the states.
I don't want to bang the drum for gay rights, it doesn't particularly rate way up my agenda, but, back to my original point, when I hear other religious people wailing about how terrible this orlando massacre was, I cant help but imagine them going home and picking up their harry potter religious book and reading about how their particular god delights in also torturing gay people...how do you square that? Its not good for a guy to shoot gay people, but its acceptable for your hairy bearded imaginary friend to torture them for eternity and for you to whisper how disgusting their way of life is?
I don't want to bang the drum for gay rights, it doesn't particularly rate way up my agenda, but, back to my original point, when I hear other religious people wailing about how terrible this orlando massacre was, I cant help but imagine them going home and picking up their harry potter religious book and reading about how their particular god delights in also torturing gay people...how do you square that? Its not good for a guy to shoot gay people, but its acceptable for your hairy bearded imaginary friend to torture them for eternity and for you to whisper how disgusting their way of life is?
I hate being involved in such debates, but I think you are over-simplifying the concept of God and religion. No serious Christian considers God just a "bearded fellow who sends people who he doesn't like to burn in bonfires or to fry on metal pans". That's a primitive way to be religious. Homosexuality may be considered a sin if a person chooses that and uses it as a "flag" to brandish or an excuse to start fights. If somebody is born with a homosexual inclination and can't help it, I don't see how any serious religious person (not a fanatic looking for an excuse to fight) blames them if they just mind their business and the religious people mind theirs. Transforming this in a POLITICAL WEAPON, that's wrong imo, but I personally can tell you that even though being religious, I don't blame gay people who are born like that if they aren't belligerent, I blame only the ones (who usually aren't even gay themselves) who wreak havoc to push the agenda down other people's throat. If somebody pushed religion down the others' throats, that wouldn't be right either. To sum it up, I don't see how does condemning the Orlando shooting automatically contradict being religious.
The soviet union is backward in all forms of human rights....to use it as a good example of the results of an atheist belief is ridiculous. Your also comparing a country it a particular period of time...Im talking about indoctrinated beliefs that have been around for thousands of years
Religious groups across the world persecute, torture and murder gay people every day..more to the point, are you seriously denying it happens? All in the name of religion...any number of christian fundamentalist groups in africa...even the KKK in the states.
I don't want to bang the drum for gay rights, it doesn't particularly rate way up my agenda, but, back to my original point, when I hear other religious people wailing about how terrible this orlando massacre was, I cant help but imagine them going home and picking up their harry potter religious book and reading about how their particular god delights in also torturing gay people...how do you square that? Its not good for a guy to shoot gay people, but its acceptable for your hairy bearded imaginary friend to torture them for eternity and for you to whisper how disgusting their way of life is?
I thought you wouldn't provide any examples to back up your assertion and you didn't disappoint. Just another case of someone blowing smoke.
Your response about the Soviet Union...as I said a "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Can't compare "indoctrinated beliefs for thousands of years" with atheism since atheism hasn't been around for thousands of years. The atheist societies that have existed are within the past 150 years and were uniformly brutal.
In response you cite the KKK, which isn't a religious group but a political one (it was considered the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party), and even then, you didn't provide evidence that it massacred gays. "Christian fundamentalist groups in Africa.." do you mean the religious cults in Africa that are a mixture of different religions and are not Christian in fact? You really hit it out of the ballpark with "religious groups across the world persecute, torture and murder gay people every day" but is that true with Islam taken out of the equation? Do you not also realize that's an overgeneralization fallacy since "religious groups" can be extremely different from each other? This is why in my question to you I wrote something like "except for Islam." I asked for specifics and you provided none. If you can't back up your claim it's probably because it's not true and should probably stop making things up. Maybe that's what people without "bearded imaginary friends" do: they lie.
All of a sudden you want proof....??? How come when ever I ask for that from a religious person all I get is nonsense? My views arent used as reason to kill and threaten people, religious views are.
You probably do have to look further back in history for the mass persecution of people from a christian perspective, but it is guilty of persecution on a daily basis and, to be honest, the islamic faith is agruably the most popular faith in the world at the moment, so it follows that most religious people are persuaded by it...so why ignore it as the best example of intolereance?
Religious people all believe in essentially the same thing to varying degrees, which is fine, but dont go around spreading the word and expect a political platform from it
No, we got rid of dozens of fictional deities and replaced it with common law., ultimately you might have to use force or loss of liberty to enforce common law whats the alternative? Religion didn't make a very good job of it when it had its chance
We move on, religion does too I suppose...in so much as people don't generally worship Thor, Zues, Wotan etc anymore..they just evolved into other other fictional characters. And thats the sad truth...again, I wouldn't care, but these guys in many cases want (and get) a political platform because of a made up belief. Presidents humour them and say whats needed to win votes in the bible belt..Bush had a hotline to God did he not? If God trusts him, we'r
No, we got rid of dozens of fictional deities and replaced it with common law., ultimately you might have to use force or loss of liberty to enforce common law whats the alternative? Religion didn't make a very good job of it when it had its chance
We move on, religion does too I suppose...in so much as people don't generally worship Thor, Zues, Wotan etc anymore..they just evolved into other other fictional characters. And thats the sad truth...again, I wouldn't care, but these guys in many cases want (and get) a political platform because of a made up belief. Presidents humour them and say whats needed to win votes in the bible belt..Bush had a hotline to God did he not? If God trusts him, we'r
Most atheists these days are Statists.Worshiping the state in one way or the other without realizing it. The more extreme cases are the communist countries, but these's more mild versions of this in non-communist countries as well.
Laws today go way past common law. I like the basic libertarian framework of the Non Aggression principle. Aslong as you don't hurt anyone else, then no force should be used against you.
Atheist threw away one form of superstition and replaced it with another superstition. The state, democracy, political action, and government regulations as a means to fix all problems.
Even worse was the rise of moral relativism. Atheists got rid of religious morals and replaced them with no new moral framework. Which is a big problem for civilization.
Ultimately, statists are intolerant people that want to use force and the threat of violence to punish people that disagree with them politically. Even worse than most religions.
Good points SoCal, although I wouldnt say "ultimately statists are intolerant people". it just goes back to my point earlier that human nature means some will always take beliefs, principles and actions to an extreme, we just need to be mindful of that whether its religion, atheism, political etc etc.
I suppose the most diffcult thing is defining "extreme"-I think its extreme to preach about the threat of hell and eternal torture specifically to indoctrinate kids and that certain human behaviours that effect nobody else are immoral. I do understand and have some appreciation of the reasoning for it though-how else could you preach a "faith" successfully and keep people within the guidelines of your specific teachings if there was ultimately no "punishment" for making mistakes (commiting sins)? If you sin and dont repent, you burn in hell forever-and thats from the moderates....slightly different from even an extreme statist belief in which there are at least different levels of punishment, depending on how serious the perceived crime is...I do concede that some of the "crimes" they define are ridiculous though. I cant see the US at any point defining the punishment for gun ownership as the death penalty...if it were a sin in religious terms, the punishment would be far worse though - assuming we all accept the literal idea of hell, death is only the start of the punishment....I'd like to know what maniac came up with that idea...
assuming we all accept the literal idea of hell, death is only the start of the punishment....I'd like to know what maniac came up with that idea...
And what makes you think we should accept the LITERAL idea of hell in its medieval and primitive imaginative form (fire, frying pans, tortures etc)? Ever heard of allegories?
Originally Posted By: fergie
I feel sorry for the guy who cheated on his wife during the roman conquest of Britain nearly 2000 years ago...he's STILL being tortured...
#feeltheloveorelse
Nonsense...That's a primitive way of imagining after-life, even one for sinners. By the way, it's you that made up the idea that God would be so vengeful and picky that he would throw somebody in hell for an eternity just for ONE bad action, especially if the person later repented. If you were joking, it wasn't a funny one.
And before somebody does so, PLEASE don't quote the Old Testament to prove your point that "religion is cruel". That part of the Bible is long outdated since it contradicts the New Testament, otherwise it would still be "eye for an eye".
Dwalin...you raise the new testament...it is full of references to hell and eternal punishment...there's not even enough room here to supply all the ridiculous quotes...c'mon, get real eh?
For unrepentant sinners, thats the punishment-and that's what IS taught to young kids.
You mention at the start that the idea of hell is medievel and primative...you realise your describing religion? Im not to clear what the "modern" version of hell is? Something a bit more acceptable? Surely not, it needs to always be scary enough to frighten young kids
Dwalin...you raise the new testament...it is full of references to hell and eternal punishment...there's not even enough room here to supply all the ridiculous quotes...c'mon, get real eh?
For unrepentant sinners, thats the punishment-and that's what IS taught to young kids.
You mention at the start that the idea of hell is medievel and primative...you realise your describing religion? Im not to clear what the "modern" version of hell is? Something a bit more acceptable? Surely not, it needs to always be scary enough to frighten young kids
For the New Testament, each quote can be discussed separately, I can't just analyze the whole of it right here, but I am sure many of them are allegories, especially the reference to the "fire" of hell.
That is taught to kids, you are right, but that doesn't mean the ones who teach it have themselves a 100% correct idea about after-life, many people just simplify it and reduce everything to ridicuolus quotes like "the scary devil will take you away if you don't obey you mother" or whatever.
About the idea of hell, I imagine it more like an emptiness of the soul, a sense of being far from God and happiness, like drowning in the sinner's own anger and unwillingness and/or inability to accept and understand the concept of all-over goodness, love etc which is supposed to be Paradise. Don't know, after all nobody has returned from after death to tell us what, if anything, is there. I don't know if you had read it, there is a short story by the English author Clive Staples Lewis, "The great divorce". That's the closest to how I imagine hell and Paradise.
You know the worst thing, I can accept faults within my beliefs....NEVER once have I heard a religious person admit that...thats what causes problems
I haven't read anything to show that you accept any fault within your beliefs. Nothing. Zero.
-When atheist atrocities are brought up, such as the over 100 million deaths attributed to atheist Communist governments, you make excuses and falsely claim that they weren't really atheists, or those governments don't really represent atheism. In other words, a No True Scotsman Fallacy.
-Then there's other problems with atheism, uncomfortable facts that follow from the logic of atheism, such as: (1) There is no concept of absolute right or wrong, no objective morality, it is amoral; (2) It cannot account and has no basis for logic or reason, so on that basis alone atheism is inherently incoherent and self-contradictory; (3) It cannot account for existence since in atheism materialism logically follows.
I haven't outlined any faults yet, thats why...I believe in scientific progress and am always willing to accept contradictions/faults whenever they arise...when does a religious person say the same?
When you bring up communist government atrocities, its similar to me continually talking about Islam and how evil it is. I think we both agree that both are fairly poor examples of religion/atheism? My point is though, that an intrinsic doctrine within nearly every religion is the threat of punishment and intolerance of particular groups of people...that was the original point. These same religious people aspire to political office...why should people tolerate presidents running the USA who subsequently say they can hear a god talking to them?
Theres no real accepted thought amongst atheists that religious people should be exterminated and you know it. You think the best form of defence is attack and find it best to raise extreme examples of atheist intolerance...I haven't done that with religion (it would be easy though). Fact is, religious people CANNOT accept faults within their faith lest they become sinful...thats the catch 22 with religion.
Have a personal faith, by all means if it gives strength/comfort etc great...just don't bother other people with skewed opinions about real things..Ive heard it before on the boards about gay people and its usually from those with a religious faith who just cannot accept any fault in what they say...which I understand - whenever religion is questioned, its taken as a personal insult...no wonder if they've invested so much time and effort into it but, tough shit, relax, compromise, take the blinkers off and accept some criticism sometimes - there must be something somewhere in the book that can be interpreted that way.
And your last 3 points....sorry, but you're joining dots that don't exist and drawing conclusions from it....I don't need to get into atheism that deeply... Its enough that it keeps me pragmatic about most things, other than that I simply use common sense and reasonable judgement when it comes to morals etc...I don't particularly need atheism and certainly not one of the religions to tell me how to think
An independent candidate running for Tennessee’s 3rd Congressional District hopes a racist campaign sign points to the path of victory.
Rick Tyler, a local businessman running in the heavily Republican district, has drawn sharp criticism for a pair of inflammatory signs near Highway 411 in Polk County: One that says “Make America White Again,” and another that invokes Martin Luther King Jr. and reads “I Have a Dream” over an image of the Capitol surrounded by Confederate flags.
It's sad that people like Rick Tyler still exist. I'm sure every other politician will repudiate him. He just alienated not only himself, but it's already cost him business. It's a good thing that being a racist and a moron usually go together.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A tie vote by the Supreme Court is blocking President Barack Obama's immigration plan that sought to shield millions living in the U.S. illegally from deportation.
The justices' one-sentence opinion on Thursday effectively kills the plan for the rest of Obama's presidency. The outcome underscores that the direction of U.S. immigration policy will be determined in large part by this fall's presidential election, a campaign in which immigration already has played an outsized role.
People who would have benefited from the programs face no imminent threat of deportation because Congress has provided money to deal with only a small percentage of people who live in the country illegally, and the president retains ample discretion to decide whom to deport.
A tie vote sets no national precedent but leaves in place the ruling by the lower court. In this case, the federal appeals court in New Orleans said the Obama administration lacked the authority to shield up to 4 million immigrants from deportation and make them eligible for work permits without approval from Congress.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday handed a victory to abortion rights advocates, striking down a Texas law imposing strict regulations on abortion doctors and facilities that its critics contended were specifically designed to shut down clinics.
The 5-3 ruling held that the Republican-backed 2013 law placed an undue burden on women exercising their constitutional right to end a pregnancy established in the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision. The normally nine-justice court was one member short after the Feb. 13 death of conservative Justice Antonin Scalia, who consistently opposed abortion in past rulings.
Conservative Justice Anthony Kennedy joined liberal members of the court in ruling that both key provisions of the law violate a woman's constitutional right to obtain an abortion.
Liberal Justice Stephen Breyer, writing for the court, said that the appeals court that upheld the law was wrong in its approach, noting that courts are required to "consider the burdens a law imposes on abortion access together with the benefits that those laws confer."
"Constitutional right to end a pregnancy." That these activist judges or any pro-abortion liberal can actually say that with a straight face never ceases to amaze me.
DYKER HEIGHTS, Brooklyn — The co-owner of iconic pizzeria L&B Spumoni Gardens was shot and killed in the Dyker Heights section of Brooklyn Thursday night.
Louis Barbati, 61, was found dead just after 7 p.m. in the backyard of his home at 12th Avenue and 76th Street.
Sources tell PIX11 News the deceased who found with two gunshot wounds to his torso is a co-owner of L&B Spumoni Gardens.
Police are continuing to look for the gunman.
It is not yet known what led to the shooting.
L&B Spumoni Gardens is a pizzeria located in Gravesend and is known for its Sicilian pizza and ices. It has been featured on the show Man v. Food and NY Eater critic Robert Sietsema considers L&B Spumoni Gardens a must-try Italian American restaurant in Brooklyn.
A Scottish woman was crowned Miss Hitler 2016 following a neo-Nazi contest. (Photo: National Action) A Scottish woman, who goes by the disturbing pseudonym “A-Bus-Full-of-Retards,” was named the winner of the Miss Hitler 2016 competition.
The pageant was held by the Britain-based radical youth movement National Action.
The woman, who was interviewed under her pseudonym for the competition, said she was an NA activist who had dedicated her life to the group.
I would also like to express my appreciation for her role in The Heiress, which gave us this stone cold badass kicking a gold-digging Montgomery Clift’s ass to the curb.
"Constitutional right to end a pregnancy." That these activist judges or any pro-abortion liberal can actually say that with a straight face never ceases to amaze me.
How can an anti-abortion law be enforced without invading the pregnant woman's privacy? I'll wait.
"Constitutional right to end a pregnancy." That these activist judges or any pro-abortion liberal can actually say that with a straight face never ceases to amaze me.
How can an anti-abortion law be enforced without invading the pregnant woman's privacy? I'll wait.
A simple Google search would tell you that it's enforced by going after doctors and clinics that violate the laws.
this is what happens when you have tinted glass on the car. They can stop you for that. Stupid to drive with it. Then a suspend license is not a big deal. You didn't pay a ticket they suspend your license. Pay it your unsuspended. But they can take you in because you can't drive the car till your license is right. But if his side kick license is ok he can drive.
On the steroids if you have an injury. Some are used to promote healing that all. Not to get an advantage in a sport. He doesn't look like he plays sports.
He had to much loose money not to be dealing all the shit he had.i But people carry a lot of money on them all the time. But not in the glove compartment.
Most of it maybe all of it he can beat with a good female defense lawyer. Their better then men.
How can an anti-abortion law be enforced without invading the pregnant woman's privacy? I'll wait.
Roe v. Wade was improperly decided. Even some liberals, if they're being honest (a difficult task for them), admit that. There's nothing in the Constitution that gives a woman "the right" to have an abortion. No more than there's anything that gives gays "the right" to marry. In both cases, the Court's decision was the result of activist judges overstepping their bounds and enacting social policy rather than properly interpreting the Constitution. But liberal justices have never cared what the Constitution says. It's why they adhere to a "living document" philosophy where they can just read into it what they want and make it all up as they go along. And that's how we got legalized infanticide and gay marriage. Both issues should have been left to the states to decide for themselves. But when they know they can't win in public opinion, liberals use the courts to force their agenda.
How can an anti-abortion law be enforced without invading the pregnant woman's privacy? I'll wait.
Roe v. Wade was improperly decided. Even some liberals, if they're being honest (a difficult task for them), admit that. There's nothing in the Constitution that gives a woman "the right" to have an abortion. No more than there's anything that gives gays "the right" to marry. In both cases, the Court's decision was the result of activist judges overstepping their bounds and enacting social policy rather than properly interpreting the Constitution. But liberal justices have never cared what the Constitution says. It's why they adhere to a "living document" philosophy where they can just read into it what they want and make it all up as they go along. And that's how we got legalized infanticide and gay marriage. Both issues should have been left to the states to decide for themselves. But when they know they can't win in public opinion, liberals use the courts to force their agenda.
You didn't answer my question.
How do we enforce an anti-abortion law without invading the privacy of pregnant women? I'm still waiting.
"Constitutional right to end a pregnancy." That these activist judges or any pro-abortion liberal can actually say that with a straight face never ceases to amaze me.
How can an anti-abortion law be enforced without invading the pregnant woman's privacy? I'll wait.
Life is more important than privacy. For some reason though, the so-called "politically correct" people don't consider an unborn baby as a living being. I don't get the reason of this nor do I really want to, to be honest. A baby is a baby, unborn or not. If this reasoning has become "old fashioned" and unpopular today, then I am glad to be "old-fashioned".
Even in the mafia, whacking babies was at least "theoretically" listed as a dishonorable thing, even though they didn't always follow that rule.
How do we enforce an anti-abortion law without invading the privacy of pregnant women? I'm still waiting.
I did answer your question. You just don't want to hear it. In terms of what the Constitution really says (and doesnt say), women really have no "expectation of privacy" when it comes to them killing their baby. So that shouldn't even be an issue to begin with.
Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
Life is more important than privacy. For some reason though, the so-called "politically correct" people don't consider an unborn baby as a living being. I don't get the reason of this nor do I really want to, to be honest. A baby is a baby, unborn or not. If this reasoning has become "old fashioned" and unpopular today, then I am glad to be "old-fashioned".
Even in the mafia, whacking babies was at least "theoretically" listed as a dishonorable thing, even though they didn't always follow that rule.
It's not that pro-abortion people don't consider an unborn baby as a living being. They know it is. They simply argue it's not in order to justify their position.
How do we enforce an anti-abortion law without invading the privacy of pregnant women? I'm still waiting.
I did answer your question. You just don't want to hear it. In terms of what the Constitution really says (and doesnt say), women really have no "expectation of privacy" when it comes to them killing their baby. So that shouldn't even be an issue to begin with.
Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
Life is more important than privacy. For some reason though, the so-called "politically correct" people don't consider an unborn baby as a living being. I don't get the reason of this nor do I really want to, to be honest. A baby is a baby, unborn or not. If this reasoning has become "old fashioned" and unpopular today, then I am glad to be "old-fashioned".
Even in the mafia, whacking babies was at least "theoretically" listed as a dishonorable thing, even though they didn't always follow that rule.
It's not that pro-abortion people don't consider an unborn baby as a living being. They know it is. They simply argue it's not in order to justify their position.
No, I asked you specifically, how do we ENFORCE an anti-abortion law without violating a pregnant woman's privacy. I didn't ask you for your interpretation of the constitution where abortion is concerned, I asked you how we enforce such laws without violating a woman's privacy. Do we put a camera in her bedroom? Her shower? Do we keep pregnant women constantly monitored to see what types of pills they may take? Still awaiting your answer.
In the old days you could put a baby you could not afford in an orphanage. Until he or she was old enough to get his working papers and then help support the family. Is that better or worse then an abortion?
Not everyone wants to abort a kid they can't afford. You thing they can just forget about doing it?
A heartless mother fucker can, but not a normal person.
In the old days you could put a baby you could not afford in an orphanage. Until he or she was old enough to get his working papers and then help support the family. Is that better or worse then an abortion?
Not everyone wants to abort a kid they can't afford. You thing they can just forget about doing it?
A heartless mother fucker can, but not a normal person.
I hate the mere thought of abortion, but I can't think of any way to legislate someone's body without violating their basic civil rights. Say there's some pill out there that kills a fetus, and it's undetectable. What do you do, monitor the pregnant woman every second? Start a federal agency that specializes in shadowing pregnant women everywhere they go? It's impossible to truly enforce an anti-abortion law without relegating a woman to being less than a citizen. Anyone who wants to go back to such a time might as well just go live in the sticks, because each day they wake up is going to be worse than the last.
No, I asked you specifically, how do we ENFORCE an anti-abortion law without violating a pregnant woman's privacy. I didn't ask you for your interpretation of the constitution where abortion is concerned, I asked you how we enforce such laws without violating a woman's privacy. Do we put a camera in her bedroom? Her shower? Do we keep pregnant women constantly monitored to see what types of pills they may take? Still awaiting your answer.
Obviously at this point you can't without the Court having enough justices who would hear overturn Roe v Wade or a Constitutional amendment. But, hypothetically speaking, if those were to happen and the issue was left up to the states, in those states that outlawed it a woman simply would have nowhere to go to get the procedure done. She could always travel out of state or take some sort of morning after pill but the people of a state that don't want any part of it wouldn't have to tolerate it or have their taxes go towards it. None of this involves a woman's privacy.
No, I asked you specifically, how do we ENFORCE an anti-abortion law without violating a pregnant woman's privacy. I didn't ask you for your interpretation of the constitution where abortion is concerned, I asked you how we enforce such laws without violating a woman's privacy. Do we put a camera in her bedroom? Her shower? Do we keep pregnant women constantly monitored to see what types of pills they may take? Still awaiting your answer.
Obviously at this point you can't without the Court having enough justices who would hear overturn Roe v Wade or a Constitutional amendment. But, hypothetically speaking, if those were to happen and the issue was left up to the states, in those states that outlawed it a woman simply would have nowhere to go to get the procedure done. She could always travel out of state or take some sort of morning after pill but the people of a state that don't want any part of it wouldn't have to tolerate it or have their taxes go towards it. None of this involves a woman's privacy.
What if there were a way for a pregnant woman to simply poison a fetus without it being detectable? How would a state where abortion is banned prevent such a thing, without violating her rights at the FEDERAL level, which no state law can overrule? How do you do this without violating her right to privacy, a right granted to ALL citizens in per the constitution?
No, I asked you specifically, how do we ENFORCE an anti-abortion law without violating a pregnant woman's privacy. I didn't ask you for your interpretation of the constitution where abortion is concerned, I asked you how we enforce such laws without violating a woman's privacy. Do we put a camera in her bedroom? Her shower? Do we keep pregnant women constantly monitored to see what types of pills they may take? Still awaiting your answer.
Obviously at this point you can't without the Court having enough justices who would hear overturn Roe v Wade or a Constitutional amendment. But, hypothetically speaking, if those were to happen and the issue was left up to the states, in those states that outlawed it a woman simply would have nowhere to go to get the procedure done. She could always travel out of state or take some sort of morning after pill but the people of a state that don't want any part of it wouldn't have to tolerate it or have their taxes go towards it. None of this involves a woman's privacy.
What if there were a way for a pregnant woman to simply poison a fetus without it being detectable? How would a state where abortion is banned prevent such a thing, without violating her rights at the FEDERAL level, which no state law can overrule? How do you do this without violating her right to privacy, a right granted to ALL citizens in per the constitution?
Anything not found in the Constitution should be left to the states. The "right to privacy" in the Constitution has nothing to do with giving women the right to have an abortion. Now there's nothing that could stop a mother from killing her child after pregnancy either. One lunatic just stabbed her 4 kids to death the other day. But abortion wouldn't have federal sanction via the liberal lie that the Constitution supports it.
I told you guys I went to NJ with my wife to my brother laws house for his grandsons birthday. I despise him.
Any way one of his other wives he had three children with. They are all grown up now. One of them got hooked on juke his garl friend to. They had a baby the baby would have been aborted. But his third or fourth wife Monica told the kid they would raise the baby until he was ready to take him. The mother is still on it. The son looks like he quit some how.
My wife gets a call yestarday from her brother. His wife Monica wants to take her mother she is in her 90s frail to Mexico for a vacation she is of Mexican decent.
So Phil my wife's brother wife wants to go to Vegas while his wife is gone. He asked her to watch his grandson while they are gone that knucklehead. She tells him no. Go after Monica gets back.
Elie Wiesel—author, activist, Nobel Peace Prize winner and Holocaust survivor—died on Saturday at the age of 87.
Wiesel is credited with ensuring that the horrors of the Holocaust remain inked indelibly in the social consciousness, an effort perpetuated through his roles as activist, writer and teacher. In 1986, Wiesel was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his lifelong commitment to promoting peace and justice.
Though he authored a total of 57 books, his best known work is the memoir Night, which details his experience as a prisoner in Auschwitz. In its own obituary for Wiesel, the New York Times excerpted a selection from that account, which captures the essence of the haunting, starkly rendered prose for which he was known:
“Never shall I forget that night, the first night in camp, which has turned my life into one long night, seven times cursed and seven times sealed,” Mr. Wiesel wrote. “Never shall I forget that smoke. Never shall I forget the little faces of the children, whose bodies I saw turned into wreaths of smoke beneath a silent blue sky. Never shall I forget those flames which consumed my faith forever. Never shall I forget the nocturnal silence which deprived me, for all eternity, of the desire to live. Never shall I forget those moments which murdered my God and my soul and turned my dreams to dust. Never shall I forget these things, even if I am condemned to live long as God himself. Never.”
Wiesel was born September 30, 1928, in a Transylvanian town that at the time was part of Romania. In 1944, his family was deported to Auschwitz, where his mother and sister perished. Wiesel and his father were later transferred to Buchenwald, from which he was liberated in 1945. His father did not survive.
No, I asked you specifically, how do we ENFORCE an anti-abortion law without violating a pregnant woman's privacy. I didn't ask you for your interpretation of the constitution where abortion is concerned, I asked you how we enforce such laws without violating a woman's privacy. Do we put a camera in her bedroom? Her shower? Do we keep pregnant women constantly monitored to see what types of pills they may take? Still awaiting your answer.
Obviously at this point you can't without the Court having enough justices who would hear overturn Roe v Wade or a Constitutional amendment. But, hypothetically speaking, if those were to happen and the issue was left up to the states, in those states that outlawed it a woman simply would have nowhere to go to get the procedure done. She could always travel out of state or take some sort of morning after pill but the people of a state that don't want any part of it wouldn't have to tolerate it or have their taxes go towards it. None of this involves a woman's privacy.
What if there were a way for a pregnant woman to simply poison a fetus without it being detectable? How would a state where abortion is banned prevent such a thing, without violating her rights at the FEDERAL level, which no state law can overrule? How do you do this without violating her right to privacy, a right granted to ALL citizens in per the constitution?
Anything not found in the Constitution should be left to the states. The "right to privacy" in the Constitution has nothing to do with giving women the right to have an abortion. Now there's nothing that could stop a mother from killing her child after pregnancy either. One lunatic just stabbed her 4 kids to death the other day. But abortion wouldn't have federal sanction via the liberal lie that the Constitution supports it.
A woman that wants an abortion already deals with enough obstacles. She has to be yelled and screamed at by protesters in the parking lot, shown gruesome photos of illegal, late term abortions that have nothing to do with her legal procedure, receive death threats, and in some cases both the women and the people running the clinic have been killed. Now there's states that want to take away a woman's right to do what she wishes with her body. What's next? Pass laws that relegate women to the kitchen?
A woman that wants an abortion already deals with enough obstacles. She has to be yelled and screamed at by protesters in the parking lot, shown gruesome photos of illegal, late term abortions that have nothing to do with her legal procedure, receive death threats, and in some cases both the women and the people running the clinic have been killed. Now there's states that want to take away a woman's right to do what she wishes with her body. What's next? Pass laws that relegate women to the kitchen?
There's so many things wrong with your argument above its hard to even know where to start.
You first go with the typical liberal, pro-abortion tactic of trying to twist it to where the woman is somehow the victim and not the baby being killed. And you do this by painting a bogus and unrealistic picture of "obstacles" they have to overcome. Protesters in the parking lot? How often do you think this happens relative to how many abortions there are? And those gruesome pictures, which every woman whose having an abortion SHOULD see (shouldn't their "choice" be an informed choice?) aren't all late term. One can clearly see heads, arms, legs, etc long before the third trimester. And while killing abortionists isn't justified, neither is that abortionist killing dozens, hundreds, or thousands of unborn babies.
You then use the lame and tired line about it being "her body." Nevermind there are actually TWO bodies and lives involved. Not just her. And, if we go by that bogus argument about it being "her body," then you have to believe she's justified in having an abortion right up to the very moment of birth. After all, whether the first month that or the last month, it's "her body," right?
Lastly, you end with a ridiculous attempt to somehow make outlawing abortion in those states that don't want it, which is the Constitutional way to go, a case of going backwards or some sexist measure against women.
I'm still waiting for you to make a sound, informed argument on anything. So far you're 0 for 3.
Ivy, can you point to one discussion on the history of this website where you respectfully disagreed with someone on a political topic? Where you didn't label them as a "liberal"? Where you didn't accuse them of trolling? Just one discussion where you openly disagree with someone without insulting or condescending to them? Are you even capable of it? Can you even live in a world where people disagree with you?
Ivy, can you point to one discussion on the history of this website where you respectfully disagreed with someone on a political topic? Where you didn't label them as a "liberal"? Where you didn't accuse them of trolling? Just one discussion where you openly disagree with someone without insulting or condescending to them? Are you even capable of it? Can you even live in a world where people disagree with you?
It might help if you'd stop making straw man arguments. Just sayin'.
Ivy, can you point to one discussion on the history of this website where you respectfully disagreed with someone on a political topic? Where you didn't label them as a "liberal"? Where you didn't accuse them of trolling? Just one discussion where you openly disagree with someone without insulting or condescending to them? Are you even capable of it? Can you even live in a world where people disagree with you?
It might help if you'd stop making straw man arguments. Just sayin'.
What is a straw man argument, anyway? Is this related to the scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz?
Of course your definition of a sound argument is one you agree with.
It might help if you were familiar with the facts in these things before regurgitating liberal talking points or just talking out of your ass.
We need to start a drinking game for every time you say "liberal". You're such a partisan hack. You're probably a bigger victim of Reaganomics than anyone here, yet you keep letting the GOP pimp you out.
I hope Hillary wins the presidency. She won't accomplish any thing with a republican congress and senate. Unless by executive order that will be challenged in the courts. The government will definately close down probably more then once.
I don't think she will be able to get her judges on the court either. No budget will pass no short term fixes either. So gov will close down even when it does not need to. Obama care will go bankrupt if the republicans have balls. But politicians don't have balls.
We are going to have some interest times especially with terrorism. Especially here in NY
I hope also in your state. You do live in the US right? Probably for a union.
Let me tell you my experience with unions in the 6os
Union goes on strike. The strike fund is never enough.
Companies use strike breakers scabs to deliever their crap. So unions hired people like me to stop deliveries. We stop them, but they keep on comming. So they let us hijack their trucks. We do good when that happens.
Then the companies settle with the unions. The union bosses make a ton of money. They wanted 10 cents an hour they settle for 5 or 4 cents an hour terrible for the worker.
They already agree to the deal before the vote by the rank and file.
So now the union takes it to the shop Stewart's they have in their pocket. The A personality ones they own. First they say that's crap.union grease them to say yes. They know that will happen.
So now they have a vote with the shop Stewart's. They talk them into taking that shit deal. They drown out the ones at the end who want to do the right thing for the worker.
So now it goes for a vote by the workers. Same thing happens just to a bigger scale.
Eventually they take that shit deal. But at least they have a job so they still work a six day week for chump change.
I guess it is different now. So the company goes under or leaves the state and the worker goes on welfair.
I hope Hillary wins the presidency. She won't accomplish any thing with a republican congress and senate. Unless by executive order that will be challenged in the courts. The government will definately close down probably more then once.
I don't think she will be able to get her judges on the court either. No budget will pass no short term fixes either. So gov will close down even when it does not need to. Obama care will go bankrupt if the republicans have balls. But politicians don't have balls.
We are going to have some interest times especially with terrorism. Especially here in NY
I hope also in your state. You do live in the US right? Probably for a union.
Yeah, I remember when Obama won you guys said all this 'world's going to end' stuff.
Let me tell you my experience with unions in the 6os
Union goes on strike. The strike fund is never enough.
Companies use strike breakers scabs to deliever their crap. So unions hired people like me to stop deliveries. We stop them, but they keep on comming. So they let us hijack their trucks. We do good when that happens.
Then the companies settle with the unions. The union bosses make a ton of money. They wanted 10 cents an hour they settle for 5 or 4 cents an hour terrible for the worker.
They already agree to the deal before the vote by the rank and file.
So now the union takes it to the shop Stewart's they have in their pocket. The A personality ones they own. First they say that's crap.union grease them to say yes. They know that will happen.
So now they have a vote with the shop Stewart's. They talk them into taking that shit deal. They drown out the ones at the end who want to do the right thing for the worker.
So now it goes for a vote by the workers. Same thing happens just to a bigger scale.
Eventually they take that shit deal. But at least they have a job so they still work a six day week for chump change.
I guess it is different now. So the company goes under or leaves the state and the worker goes on welfair.
You mean, there's corruption in unions? By golly, well then let's just end them.
There's corruption in law enforcement, too. So, let's end it.
The battle to control the GOP convention in Cleveland — and the fate of party — has reached a turning point.
While the “Stop Trump” movement has unleashed a barrage of cross-country phone calls and emails to seek support for their proposals, a group of longtime Republican rule makers, some working with the Trump campaign, have quickly coalesced to try and block them.
Those Republican rule makers are also going on offense by proposing what would be relatively historic changes in order to take some power away from convention delegates this year and close more primaries to non-Republicans the next time around.
There are no rules for the Republican Convention. Not yet.
The rules will be determined the Thursday and Friday before the convention by the 112-member (aptly named) Convention Rules Committee. Traditionally those rules control the convention and govern the next four years for the party.
FBI Director James Comey announced Tuesday he will not recommend the Department of Justice seek criminal charges against Hillary Clinton for her personal email use while secretary of state.
What’s the over/under on how many special committees Congress will convene to investigate this investigation and then investigate the investigations of the investigation?
I'm so going to enjoy the meltdowns over this today.
Helen I hope you have a lot of land ownership, own a lot of small business and got your gold out of the US.
Because otherwise your fucked and so is everyone else in this country within 4 years. Then I wonder what you guys will say after it happens.
Don't forget your food. To get it you have to agree with them and rat anyone you know out who doesn't agree with you. I am sure you will be happy to rat out your friend or your relatives.
Don't worry about my money Foots, and I won't worry about yours....
I've been hearing that the world is going to end if this one gets elected, or if that one gets elected, for as long as I can remember. Hasn't happened yet.
Giuliani went down a list of legal reasons Hillary could be indicted. But we all knew she wouldn't be. Not under this current administration. Giuliani also pointed out this gives anyone who has or will be indicted for similar reasons the ability point to her case.
At the very least it should be a loss of security clearance. Anyone else would have their's revoked immediately. But that won't happen either.
Of course, none of this will matter to Hillary supporters. They are as slimy and immoral as she is.
I saw Giuliani he started that FBI director so why did he say or that and not advise to indict? I am not going to call the FBI guy a pussy. I think all cops are pussy's including him and Giuliani.
The people in government are all corrupt both parties. People are finally getting wise to it. That's a good thing.
How exactly are these manufactured scandals? That you would even call them that only shows why I've been calling you a liberal hack all along. You completely lack any ability to be honest or view things objectively. You can't even admit Hillary Clinton is as corrupt as they come.
He is right Benghazi was manufacture it never happened. Those three guys never died. They could not have been saved even though they could have been saved.
The only thing manufacture was the reason for the attack. Who gives a shit about the reason. The point was they let those three guys die.
The president could have sent a rescue team he didn't. Hillary could have done it she didn't.
Yes it was manufacture you stupid bastard oak as a fan. To bad they were not related to you.
He is right Benghazi was manufacture it never happened. Those three guys never died. They could not have been saved even though they could have been saved.
The only thing manufacture was the reason for the attack. Who gives a shit about the reason. The point was they let those three guys die.
The president could have sent a rescue team he didn't. Hillary could have done it she didn't.
Yes it was manufacture you stupid bastard oak as a fan. To bad they were not related to you.
Of course OakAsFan doesn't give a shit. Neither do any of the rest of Hillary's supporters. All they care about is winning an election and saying "We're tired of hearing about Benghazi." It's why I said they're all as slimy as she is.
Do you think Obama really cared about the gays killed in Orlando. He could not have carried less about them. He never lets a Tragedy go to waste. He uses it to move his agenda forward.
Thrump is right does he really care about black people. I doubt if he even considers himself black. How black people voted for him the second time amazes me. What has he done for them are they better off now then they were before?
Does he care about Latinos. Everyone knows blacks hate Latinos. Except white bread Americans.
I was in a doctors office their was a black women there. This was before the last election. She talked about Obama like he was special. Finally I said to her what has he done for you. She did not exactly how her life is better that he was president.
Trump actually talks about helping blacks and Latinos. I wish he would go there to talk to them. But the anarchist would be there to fuck things up.
I think everyone should be able to work. Democrates want people to be dependent on them. So why help them train and get a job. It is against their interest to do that.
Some white cops killed a black guy. You know why the black guy was an arch criminal trying to sell DVDs on the street to make a few bucks?
I used to buy them on the street years ago. You could even buy them at a flea market. What is wrong with these cops they are not dealing dope or robbing people at gun point. Take everything away from them. Then they will be robbing people on the street.
He is right Benghazi was manufacture it never happened. Those three guys never died. They could not have been saved even though they could have been saved.
The only thing manufacture was the reason for the attack. Who gives a shit about the reason. The point was they let those three guys die.
The president could have sent a rescue team he didn't. Hillary could have done it she didn't.
Yes it was manufacture you stupid bastard oak as a fan. To bad they were not related to you.
Of course OakAsFan doesn't give a shit. Neither do any of the rest of Hillary's supporters. All they care about is winning an election and saying "We're tired of hearing about Benghazi." It's why I said they're all as slimy as she is.
Okay, now I'm going to cry, as I still cast my vote for Hillary.
Do you think Obama really cared about the gays killed in Orlando.
No. He didn't care at all, man. He just satt there in his Satan's layer and stirred red hot lava as he planned his socialist schemes to end America. Anyone who thinks Obama actually cares about scores of innocent people dying for no good reason is naive! A naive liberal. But not us, right? We see reality!
The principal is the same? School principal? Or did you mean principle? Did you really just call someone stupid? Is your moniker really "Ivy League"? The irony is beaming off of you in a bright orange hue that makes Donald Trump's orange wig look like a Shock Top bottle, cha cha - Dennis Miller
The principal is the same? School principal? Or did you mean principle? Did you really just call someone stupid? Is your moniker really "Ivy League"? The irony is beaming off of you in a bright orange hue that makes Donald Trump's orange wig look like a Shock Top bottle, cha cha - Dennis Miller
Or it could just be the pesky autocorrect of my phone. Most times I catch it. Sometimes I don't. In any event, you've already established yourself as high in the running for dumbest poster on this board. Doesn't matter what the subject is, the mob, politics, etc. You somehow manage to always get it wrong. The problem with retards like yourself is you don't know your retarded.
Oak I am going to make an educated guess about you. Your probably a kid you might be in graduate school.
What ever you know has come from books. You may even still live with daddy or mommy. They are probably divorced but they are both liberals not blue color Democrates. You listen to your professors and think what they tell you is the truth.
Reason why I think your a kid is you have to answer every post that someone makes that you don't agree with. You can't control yourself yet. That is a sign of a kid.
Aftermath of black man's shooting by Minnesota police caught on video
Video posted on Facebook Live circulates on social media as family of Philando Castile, 32, says he died after telling officer he had a licensed firearm and was reaching for wallet
A video apparently showing the aftermath of a fatal police shooting during a traffic stop in Minnesota has sparked outrage after being circulated online.
Police have confirmed a man was shot by an officer while inside a car with a woman and a child, with local reports saying Philando Castile, 32, died from his wounds.
Family told local news outlets in St Paul, the state capital, that Castile was in a car stopped by police and had told an officer he was carrying a licensed firearm, then tried to get his wallet out.
The video, posted on Facebook Live on Wednesday night, appeared to show an incident like the one police described. The video showed a woman sitting in a car with a man whose shirt appeared to be soaked in blood, saying an officer shot her boyfriend.
In the video, the woman says the officer asked her boyfriend for his license and registration. She says the man told the officer it was in his wallet but that he also had a pistol he was licensed to carry.
“The officer said, ‘Don’t move,”’ the woman in the video says. “As he was putting his hands back up, the officer shot him in the arm four or five times.”
At one point, the policeman can be heard saying: “I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand out.”
St Anthony interim police chief Jon Mangseth said at a news conference the incident began when an officer from his agency initiated a traffic stop at about 9pm on Wednesday in Falcon Heights, a suburb of St Paul. The officer is now on paid administrative leave, he said, as is standard in such cases.
Mangseth said he didn’t have “much information” about what led to the shooting. He said the woman and child were not hurt.
Mangseth said police were aware of the video but were not commenting further.
The incident follows the police shooting of a man in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, early on Tuesday morning, and widespread national protests over the deaths of black men at the hands of police.
This is bizarre. 11 officers shot? 11? I mean, seriously, how in the heck does anyone shoot 11 officers? The fact that this is taking place in Dallas of all places makes it even more suspicious.
I just hope those black guys doing the killing are making a lot of money from all the killing of the cops. Other wise they better find a better guys to work for then anarchists. They pay chump change. They make the real money those white guys in their late 60s.
See Obama brings people together to kill other people.
Well too bad there is not much money from black guys killing other black guys.
OakAsFan is cookcounty. Not sure why people are falling for his crap.
how many blacks are gonna get murdered by the police tomorrow is what i'm concerned with
it won't be good for america if somebody copycats this shooting
Cops don't operate like vigilante gangs or an army who mow down their enemies. Wrongly shootings by police are rare. In fact more cops have been killed by criminals than cops killing unarmed people. If you want to read the facts on police shootings then read this article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true...y-surprise-you/
how many blacks are gonna get murdered by the police tomorrow is what i'm concerned with
What we saw last night in Dallas - THAT was murder.
Even with bad officer involved shootings, where they deserve to be prosecuted, there isn't prior intent like this. And let's not forget that most of these officer involved shootings are later found justified. But even if the latest two in Minnesota and Louisiana are found to be bad shootings, what happened in Dallas took away a lot of sympathy blacks are looking for.
This definitely doesn't help the Black Lies Matter group even the group responsible had no affiliation, I'd be interested to see what Shaun White from NY Daily News writes about this.
that's a narrow perception. it's not Alton Sterling exactly who this is happening over, he's just the latest victim in a very long line.. nobody is saying the guy was a saint but the fact remains he didn't deserve to get killed, just like many others who are killed by the cops don't deserve it.
that's quite a reputable source you're using there.
anyway, there was another man killed the day after Alton Sterling, his name was Philando Castile.
More details have emerged about the man who was fatally shot by a Minnesota police officer during a traffic stop Wednesday night as he sat in a car with a woman and child.
The victim has been identified by family as Philando Castile. He was employed as a nutrition services assistant from November 2002 until being promoted to a nutrition services supervisor at J.J. Hill Montessori Magnet School Aug. 11, 2014, according to the St. Paul Public Schools.
Castile also worked at Arlington High School and Chelsea Heights Elementary School during his employment with the district, the school system said.
The link I provided refers to Alton Sterling. Having seen the footage I am willing to reserve judgement on the circumstances that led to that shooting until all the facts prevail.
Having seen the footage from the Castile shooting, I am at a loss of words as to how the victim ended up dead.
I don't think it's helpful that the people who protest these shootings use Trayvon Martin's likeness for their campaign, as he was not entirely faultless for the circumstances that led to his death.
I think it's like what Louis CK said about mild racism, how we're all a little bit racist.
These cops obviously have a culturally ingrained fear of black people. I'm not saying it's wrong or right; I'm not a cop who has interactions with black people on a daily basis that feeds into that fear.
5 Statistics You Need to Know About Cops Killing Blacks
The Alton Sterling and Philando Castile shootings have caused an uproar among leftists because they fuel their narrative that racist white police officers are hunting down innocent black men. But the statistics – brought to light by the superb work of Heather MacDonald – tell a different story.
Here are five key statistics you need to know about cops killing blacks.
1. Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. The majority of these victims had a gun or "were armed or otherwise threatening the officer with potentially lethal force," according to MacDonald in a speech at Hillsdale College.
Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 12 percent of the population. But as MacDonald writes in The Wall Street Journal, 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.
"Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force," writes MacDonald.
MacDonald also pointed out in her Hillsdale speech that blacks "commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime" in New York City, even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population.
"The black violent crime rate would actually predict that more than 26 percent of police victims would be black," MacDonald said. "Officer use of force will occur where the police interact most often with violent criminals, armed suspects, and those resisting arrest, and that is in black neighborhoods."
2. More whites and Hispanics die from police homicides than blacks. According to MacDonald, 12 percent of white and Hispanic homicide deaths were due to police officers, while only four percent of black homicide deaths were the result of police officers.
"If we’re going to have a 'Lives Matter' anti-police movement, it would be more appropriately named "White and Hispanic Lives Matter,'" said MacDonald in her Hillsdale speech.
3. The Post's data does show that unarmed black men are more likely to die by the gun of a cop than an unarmed white man...but this does not tell the whole story. In August 2015, the ratio was seven-to-one of unarmed black men dying from police gunshots compared to unarmed white men; the ratio was six-to-one by the end of 2015. But MacDonald points out in The Marshall Project that looking at the details of the actual incidents that occurred paints a different picture:
The “unarmed” label is literally accurate, but it frequently fails to convey highly-charged policing situations. In a number of cases, if the victim ended up being unarmed, it was certainly not for lack of trying. At least five black victims had reportedly tried to grab the officer’s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment. Some were shot from an accidental discharge triggered by their own assault on the officer. And two individuals included in the Post’s “unarmed black victims” category were struck by stray bullets aimed at someone else in justified cop shootings. If the victims were not the intended targets, then racism could have played no role in their deaths.
In one of those unintended cases, an undercover cop from the New York Police Department was conducting a gun sting in Mount Vernon, just north of New York City. One of the gun traffickers jumped into the cop’s car, stuck a pistol to his head, grabbed $2,400 and fled. The officer gave chase and opened fire after the thief again pointed his gun at him. Two of the officer’s bullets accidentally hit a 61-year-old bystander, killing him. That older man happened to be black, but his race had nothing to do with his tragic death. In the other collateral damage case, Virginia Beach, Virginia, officers approached a car parked at a convenience store that had a homicide suspect in the passenger seat. The suspect opened fire, sending a bullet through an officer’s shirt. The cops returned fire, killing their assailant as well as a woman in the driver’s seat. That woman entered the Post’s database without qualification as an “unarmed black victim” of police fire.
MacDonald examines a number of other instances, including unarmed black men in San Diego, CA and Prince George's County, MD attempting to reach for a gun in a police officer's holster. In the San Diego case, the unarmed black man actually "jumped the officer" and assaulted him, and the cop shot the man since he was "fearing for his life." MacDonald also notes that there was an instance in 2015 where "three officers were killed with their own guns, which the suspects had wrestled from them."
4. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Gary Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene.
5. Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black. According to MacDonald, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person.
Despite the facts, the anti-police rhetoric of Black Lives Matter and their leftist sympathizers have resulted in what MacDonald calls the "Ferguson Effect," as murders have spiked by 17 percent among the 50 biggest cities in the U.S. as a result of cops being more reluctant to police neighborhoods out of fear of being labeled as racists. Additionally, there have been over twice as many cops victimized by fatal shootings in the first three months of 2016.
Interesting. What could possibly be the reason the BR police snatched the tape? I just can't think of one...
Baton Rouge Police Took Alton Sterling Surveillance Video Without a Warrant or Permission
The store’s owner said minutes after the deadly shooting, officers took a hard drive against his wishes and there’s no record they even asked a judge to do it.
if people like yourself keep up this hate rhetoric this nonsense will continue
racist bigots are the reason somebody will probably copycat last nights events
Excuse me Mr. "Cops are the Biggest Gang I'm the Country," but what "hate rhetoric" have I made?
It never ceases to amaze me how quick one is slapped with the "racist" or "bigot" label if you don't agree with the liberal race narrative. It's how they try to shutdown opposition and it's lazy and dishonest. The irony is, by overusing them they've rendered those terms almost meaningless.
The police are the biggest gang? Let's get rid of them and have to deal with the next biggest gang. Black lives matter? Everyone's life matters. I thought it's not politically correct to say black, but rather African American which makes no fucking sense to me. You were born in the USA, you're American. You dont like it go back to Acrica and deal with the genocide going on over there.
The timing of this is very suspicious, just about the time several protests were planned nation wide. Now they probably won't be allowed. Works out pretty good for those who didn't want the protests to happen. The backgrounds of these shooters should be heavily scrutinized.
The timing of this is very suspicious, just about the time several protests were planned nation wide. Now they probably won't be allowed. Works out pretty good for those who didn't want the protests to happen. The backgrounds of these shooters should be heavily scrutinized.
Ah yes , another misfortunate event. I see everybody stating the usual, Cookcounty's rhetoric, Ivy's stats on deck, OakasFan's salt shaking , Blueracing's newbie, And F1's scale of balance.
Ah yes , another misfortunate event. I see everybody stating the usual, Cookcounty's rhetoric, Ivy's stats on deck, OakasFan's salt shaking , Blueracing's newbie, And F1's scale of balance.
Sound advice from comedian Chris Rock on how to behave with police. You'd think this would be common sense but, well, common sense isn't always so common.
They can stop saying that the police were there in the first place to defend the protesters. That is a joke. Law enforcement in the U.S. is a right wing institution, and they detest all left leaning groups, and their right to protest. The Dallas PD left the "wanted" photo of Mark Hughes (who was wrongfully identified as a suspect) on their twitter account all day today, despite knowing he wasn't the suspect. He received thousands of death threats, according to his lawyer. Payback has already begun. The police want all other parties to take a step back and reconsider their rhetoric, while they have no such intentions of doing the same. Then you have the retired Florida congressman today saying that "This is war", and for the president to "watch out". Threatening a sitting president is illegal no matter who you are, but when it's done by a former congressman, it could even be considered an act of treason. The police haven't even questioned him yet.
They can stop saying that the police were there in the first place to defend the protesters. That is a joke. Law enforcement in the U.S. is a right wing institution, and they detest all left leaning groups, and their right to protest. The Dallas PD left the "wanted" photo of Mark Hughes (who was wrongfully identified as a suspect) on their twitter account all day today, despite knowing he wasn't the suspect. He received thousands of death threats, according to his lawyer. Payback has already begun. The police want all other parties to take a step back and reconsider their rhetoric, while they have no such intentions of doing the same. Then you have the retired Florida congressman today saying that "This is war", and for the president to "watch out". Threatening a sitting president is illegal no matter who you are, but when it's done by a former congressman, it could even be considered an act of treason. The police haven't even questioned him yet.
I realize the obvious continually escapes you but the cops were there to keep order. Look what's going on in Atlanta right now. The BLM protest there has shutdown a major highway. And they've done this several times before in various cities.
The fact that you see police as a "right wing institution" just shows how insufferably extreme left and radical you are. Left leaning groups are rightly detested. It's an unholy alliance of naive college students in their 20s who think they have the answers to the world's problems, anarchists who want to force their own radical revolution based on their warped world view, select minority groups who never miss a chance to exploit racial tensions (most of which they cause themselves), and of course the deviant LGBTQ (and whatever other letter you want to add) and feminist groups.
As for Hughes, considering the very reason for the protests and the tense atmosphere, one really has to question the wisdom of him walking around in public with a rifle over his shoulder. If he had a legal concealed gun, ok, but he shouldn't have been surprised that he caused a whole lot of confusion.
Since yesterday, a lot of people (including a number of black law enforcement) guys have called out Obama for his role in only worsening racial tensions. The guy hasn't helped.
And I don't know what you mean by "payback has already begun" but it's not surprising you immediately go into the BS liberal narrative with no mention of the pyscho who killed 5 innocent cops and wounded several others, including a civilian. Having been pegged on this board as an unrepentant liberal hack, you seem to have chosen to embrace that and doubled down on your left wing lunacy. You're quickly becoming a parody of yourself.
OakAsFan clearly hates cops. As for American LE being "right wing" (how come their not just "right leaning"? But I digress), even the Far Left USSR had a police force and they didn't like protesters either. Maybe they were just a bunch of capitalist pigs hiding in plain sight?
The Dallas PD was probably a little busy, you know, with having 5 dead cops and 7 injured and all it tends to delay things. Maybe if you write them a letter they'll send you an apology for not meeting your deadline. BTW, they did defend protesters. http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/pho...e9b6936b1eddfe5
The Florida ex-congressman who is really an ex-Illinois congressman, Joe Walsh, shouldn't have made those threats. I'll bet he gets a visit from the Secret Service. Unfortunately, he has a long history of being an idiot. The tweet has been deleted and he kinda/sorta apologized for it while claiming it was misinterpreted. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...0708-story.html But I guess if people are going to accept that BLM marchers yelling "Pigs in a Blanket, Fry 'em like Bacon," didn't really mean killing cops and its leaders claim was misinterpreted, then we can probably accept Walsh's pseudo-apology. Or we can say they meant what they said and condemn them both. Anyway, another day, another clearing up a post full of half-truths.
I read Lupe Fiasco twitter and agreed with his thoughts on the BLM lack of critical thinking. I personal agree to the main theme of the movement but disagree with much of the rallies. I think plenty of those families would like less publicity and more clarity.
I read Lupe Fiasco twitter and agreed with his thoughts on the BLM lack of critical thinking. I personal agree to the main theme of the movement but disagree with much of the rallies. I think plenty of those families would like less publicity and more clarity.
One of the problems is that BLM is a Far Left movement based on the Black Panthers and other Black nationalist groups, and draws its inspiration from Assata Shakur, so it isn't mainstream. That means that it gets its tactics from Communist and agitprop movements that are confrontational and divisive.
When they lay down on the freeway it just pisses people off, including Black people who are trying to get to their jobs. When they interrupt politicians (like Bernie Sanders) it turns the crowd against them. OR marching into university libraries where people are studying so they can scream at White students. Then they demean their White allies and preach segregation. Talk about driving the Civil Rights Movement back fifty years.
If they stuck with the message of being against police brutality and made sure they were documented and confirmed cases of brutality (as opposed to taking a video out of context), explain how Black people experience discrimination today, and do peaceful non-in-your-face marches, then they'd have more support.
Faithful said oak was a cop hater. So am I but unlike oak I have reasons. I don't want to post on them again. Plus my ex son in law was a cop. You don't want to know how I feel about him.
Firemen on the other hand I dig. After 9/11 if I saw firemen in key food buying food for the firehouse. I would go to the manager who I knew and pay the food bill. To his credit he went half with me.
The firemen never wanted for someone to pay their bill. I think some thought I would rat them out.
Never had a problem with cops growing up. Then again, at the time...Newark cops.....real cops...were dealing with decaying city with real violence problems. They were trained well enough and had enough experience to do the eye test and tell my friends and I weren't trouble makers.
First bad encounter with police was when I went away to school and every few years or so ever since.
I view my run ins as a combination of things. One, cops not as well trained or as busy and finding excuses to stop me, assuming that they will find something that I am guilty of(and getting angry when everything checks out) and I guess I was not supposed to leave the reservation(Newark) and live and move around freely like others.
A good person does not turn a blind eye to abuse or corruption in whatever company or government department they work for. Therefore, there are very few good cops. I think there are a lot of well meaning cops, but they lack the moral courage to do anything when they witness wrongdoing on their force. So, well meaning is an apt description. Well meaning, albeit unfortunately weak. You don't get to call yourself good until you find it within you to confront bad whenever and wherever you see it, whether it's by a thug in a hoodie, or your partner in the squad car.
I think that some of the resistance to the use of "bodycams" that we've read about from law enforcement organizations should raise eyebrows among the public.
I think bodycams would help remove the burden of regular cops having to tell on bad cops.
I have friends who are military vets, and if half of their stories are true..some of the "friendly fire" deaths we read about in wars are soldiers settling scores with other soldiers...so regular cop who tells on corrupt cop puts himself in danger or is labeled as a "rat"....which coincidentally is the same terms CRIMINALS use.
You have to wonder about someone who is paid by the public, yet doesn't want the public to monitor their work and/or conduct. We should all tell our bosses Monday to remove the cameras from the building, and "let us do our job, our way". We can bet on whose boss laughs the loudest.
Now a days not that many work from and office. They work from home. The company does rent a place to meet, they even rent HR department. They save a lot of money doing that. So they can pay for others Obama care.
When my youngest was a kid he wanted to do martial arts. We go to a Russian self defense dojo. Forget what they call Russian style martial art.
They let me watch a session only because I was deciding whether he should train with them or not. If I did they would not let me watch any more sessions. I wondered about that it seemed not right to me.
Then the sensi did a move with his assistant. He forgot he had his watch on. He cut his assistants face.
I saw that I said forget it and we left. If that would have happened to a kid what lie would they tell that it wasn't anyone's fault.
Well, I'm in Sacramento, where almost everyone works for the state. And, they work in offices. Cubicles, really. And, there's certainly cameras. Cries to remove the cameras, similar to those of police who don't want body cams, would garner a loud chuckle from both the supervisors and the union reps. It's 2016 for everyone except cops who still think they should be given the same freedom as Buford T. Justice. As they say, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
Just think, as recently as the 1990s, there were hardly any cameras anywhere in public. Today there's either a camera or google is snapping photos just about everywhere. You only have privacy inside of your home, with the curtains closed, your modem unplugged and your phone on airplane mode. 1984 has arrived, a couple of decades late. And, it aint Obama. He's being watched too.
I read Lupe Fiasco twitter and agreed with his thoughts on the BLM lack of critical thinking. I personal agree to the main theme of the movement but disagree with much of the rallies. I think plenty of those families would like less publicity and more clarity.
One of the problems is that BLM is a Far Left movement based on the Black Panthers and other Black nationalist groups, and draws its inspiration from Assata Shakur, so it isn't mainstream. That means that it gets its tactics from Communist and agitprop movements that are confrontational and divisive.
When they lay down on the freeway it just pisses people off, including Black people who are trying to get to their jobs. When they interrupt politicians (like Bernie Sanders) it turns the crowd against them. OR marching into university libraries where people are studying so they can scream at White students. Then they demean their White allies and preach segregation. Talk about driving the Civil Rights Movement back fifty years.
If they stuck with the message of being against police brutality and made sure they were documented and confirmed cases of brutality (as opposed to taking a video out of context), explain how Black people experience discrimination today, and do peaceful non-in-your-face marches, then they'd have more support.
So, black protesters should take pointers from you, a white person, on how to conduct their protests. That's hilarious.
who are the good people. Good people don't steal things only because their locked with good locks.
They don't fuck their friends wives. They don't steal money from their partners. They don't cheat on their wives. When they make a mistake they don't cover it up they admit it. They don't cheat on their tax's. They all love their kids.
So now who is a good person you know? I don't know any good people.
who are the good people. Good people don't steal things only because their locked with good locks.
They don't fuck their friends wives. They don't steal money from their partners. They don't cheat on their wives. When they make a mistake they don't cover it up they admit it. They don't cheat on their tax's. They all love their kids.
So now who is a good person you know? I don't know any good people.
Anyone who says he is good I know is lying.
Then we can stop using this ridiculous term "good guys" when describing police, right?
Oak it's nice for people working for the state you got those Union benefits even if you bad doing your job. Just like the cops.
I got cameras all over the house that no one can see.
Here is a funny story I had carpet cleaners come in. I watching them on my iPad. But they don't know it my son set it up. One of them took a gold bracket I had in a piece of furniture. You open the top you can put jewelry in it. I saw he took it. I have a sub hilt knife in there. I know he must have saw it. So now they are ready to leave. I go up and get the knife. I tell the guy how come you didn't take this. I can hurt you with this I can't hurt you with the bracelet.
Before he left he gave me back the bracelet and I told him to pay the 250 for his visit or I would rat him out to his company and he would have an accident like cut himself why shaving with a 7 inch blade attached to a sub hilt handle.
Attended this thing yesterday not for support but just to check it out
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
When they lay down on the freeway it just pisses people off, including Black people who are trying to get to their jobs. When they interrupt politicians (like Bernie Sanders) it turns the crowd against them. OR marching into university libraries where people are studying so they can scream at White students. Then they demean their White allies and preach segregation. Talk about driving the Civil Rights Movement back fifty years.
If they stuck with the message of being against police brutality and made sure they were documented and confirmed cases of brutality (as opposed to taking a video out of context), explain how Black people experience discrimination today, and do peaceful non-in-your-face marches, then they'd have more support.
100% right good post
I can't stand the left because of this though I support people never groups or "isms." BLM, LBGTQ, feminist are all the same, most of the talking points can't be backed by facts and all they do is scream and yell when confronted with them. Mostly say things like "racist sexist transphob homophob patriarchy, misogony, white privilege, male privilege, cis gender it is all very tiresome
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
You have to wonder about someone who is paid by the public, yet doesn't want the public to monitor their work and/or conduct.
That is a concerning, I think police need to realize they are public servants, they are not always right and they are not above the people.
My aunt is a police officer, she supports body cams but in conversation about her job I feel that she and her colleagues are a little biased against blacks but also have no problem with violating anyone's rights and if I call her on that (I try to avoid talking racial issues in the family to keep the peace) she tells me I am wrong and that I hate cops. Last week I drove through a DWI checkpoint, during my stop I refused to give my ID because I hadn't been drinking (I don't drink when I go out only club soda) long story short I was detained. When I told her this she told me that by driving down a road is enough probable cause for me to be stopped and search (cop told me he could smell weed, which is impossible because I haven't done that in 6 or 7 years) I said that is wrong and tried to explain why she said Okay, after the shooting in Dallas she sent me a text saying you must be happy 5 cops are dead. I didn't respond but that is consistent with police mentality if you are critical of their actions and you must be anti police.
In regards to shootingsnobody deserves to be killed by the State (police) but like everything it has to do with decisions you make during encounters.
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
So, black protesters should take pointers from you, a white person, on how to conduct their protests. That's hilarious.
Right because you can only speak about your race and your sex and having an opinion about something should be 100% disregarded. I am guessing you are not Italian so you should never talk or have an opinion about LCN
I read Lupe Fiasco twitter and agreed with his thoughts on the BLM lack of critical thinking. I personal agree to the main theme of the movement but disagree with much of the rallies. I think plenty of those families would like less publicity and more clarity.
One of the problems is that BLM is a Far Left movement based on the Black Panthers and other Black nationalist groups, and draws its inspiration from Assata Shakur, so it isn't mainstream. That means that it gets its tactics from Communist and agitprop movements that are confrontational and divisive.
When they lay down on the freeway it just pisses people off, including Black people who are trying to get to their jobs. When they interrupt politicians (like Bernie Sanders) it turns the crowd against them. OR marching into university libraries where people are studying so they can scream at White students. Then they demean their White allies and preach segregation. Talk about driving the Civil Rights Movement back fifty years.
If they stuck with the message of being against police brutality and made sure they were documented and confirmed cases of brutality (as opposed to taking a video out of context), explain how Black people experience discrimination today, and do peaceful non-in-your-face marches, then they'd have more support.
black lives matters is about the police shooting innocent unarmed black people
it has nothing to do with the black panther party or black nationalism
how can a video of unarmed men being murdered on film be taken out of context?
Cops can't stop black on black crime their response time is to slow.
So what do honest blacks and other people do they buy guns for self protection in the moment. They don't buy them legally they are hard to get legally.
My barber asked me to get him a gun for his daughter for self protection. I told him no he asked me why. If your daughter had to use it and knew how to use it and was calm enough to use it. Cops who came after it was over where did she get the gun. Then she would rat me out. Her father said no she would not I said if she did not. That would mean you would have already rat me out.
Cops can't stop black on black crime their response time is to slow.
So what do honest blacks and other people do they buy guns for self protection in the moment. They don't buy them legally they are hard to get legally.
My barber asked me to get him a gun for his daughter for self protection. I told him no he asked me why. If your daughter had to use it and knew how to use it and was calm enough to use it. Cops who came after it was over where did she get the gun. Then she would rat me out. Her father said no she would not I said if she did not. That would mean you would have already rat me out.
if they go after the manufacturers of molly and Xtacy it will cut down crime stats
this new generation is drugged out on illicit drugs and that drives crime
Perhaps some of you listen to a variety of radio talk shows. If you do, you may listen to Michael Savage who is about as right-wing as you can get. Along with Laura Ingram (and in contrast with Mark Levin and Michael Medved), he is a Donald Trump supporter. However, get this:
On his Thursday afternoon show he stated that the two men recently killed by police in Baton Rouge and Minnesota were executed by police.
Why would you have to differentiate "honest" blacks from blacks in general? Do you believe that most black people aren't honest?
I will tell you what I told you before I believe your a kid. Possibly still in college and have no life experience to speak off. Your parents are devorced and are both liberals. I think you still live at home not on your own.
I have more dealing with black people then you will probably ever have.
Most black people and white people are about the same. They just hardly ever deal with each other.
Those with kids are like whites with kids they want them to have a better life then we had there is no difference in that regard.
Those in kids youth gangs don't know how to make money from it. They need someone to show them how.
Perhaps some of you listen to a variety of radio talk shows. If you do, you may listen to Michael Savage who is about as right-wing as you can get. Along with Laura Ingram (and in contrast with Mark Levin and Michael Medved), he is a Donald Trump supporter. However, get this:
On his Thursday afternoon show he stated that the two men recently killed by police in Baton Rouge and Minnesota were executed by police.
Michael Savage is a bay area guy and he once was a liberal. Evidently his back story is that some doctor in SF plagiarized something he wrote, and he's been on his right wing bent ever since. I've noticed that inside a lot of these extreme right wingers is a liberal that feels abandoned. It ties into the race thing, too. Lack of jobs, Mexicans taking the jobs, etc. They're crying for help, and their grief and fears have been manipulated by the Republican party.
interesting story about your aunt, and it's consistent with some of the public comments by law enforcement the past 4 years following violent clashes between police and citizens.She knows you and may have helped raise you, yet you are a "cop hater" for asking questions. Depending on what kind of a cop a person is, it's a dangerous job and I understand why they may adopt the "pack" mentality.However police can judge/jury/executioner in encounters with people and that's not a responsibility to be taken lightly. Fairness and humanity have to override any "us against them" mentality or you stop being police and you become like an occupying army or something.
Perhaps some of you listen to a variety of radio talk shows. If you do, you may listen to Michael Savage who is about as right-wing as you can get. Along with Laura Ingram (and in contrast with Mark Levin and Michael Medved), he is a Donald Trump supporter. However, get this:
On his Thursday afternoon show he stated that the two men recently killed by police in Baton Rouge and Minnesota were executed by police.
Michael Savage is a bay area guy and he once was a liberal. Evidently his back story is that some doctor in SF plagiarized something he wrote, and he's been on his right wing bent ever since. I've noticed that inside a lot of these extreme right wingers is a liberal that feels abandoned. It ties into the race thing, too. Lack of jobs, Mexicans taking the jobs, etc. They're crying for help, and their grief and fears have been manipulated by the Republican party.
I'm starting to think Footreads is right about you being a kid. Some of the absurd things you say, like above, typically come from people under 30. At least you'd have an excuse.
Anyway, I've listened to just about every conservative talk radio show host over the years. The more mainstream ones are are like Medved, who's pretty balanced and analytical. Savage is sort of off on his own island and often is critical of other talk show hosts. Much of what he goes on is emotion. The thing about most of them is they won't hesitate to condemn those officers if those shootings are found to be bad. Apologizing to those cops who are later found justified and absolved of wrongdoing is something I have yet to see from their black/liberal critics.
The best conservative host is Dennis Prager. The guy is a genius and is the best at exposing and absolutely annihilating liberals and their warped view of just about everything in this world.
. Depending on what kind of a cop a person is, it's a dangerous job and I understand why they may adopt the "pack" mentality.However police can judge/jury/executioner in encounters with people and that's not a responsibility to be taken lightly. Fairness and humanity have to override any "us against them" mentality or you stop being police and you become like an occupying army or something.
You are on point it is dangerous and difficult job, I hope once older generations leave a the "Young Turks" have filled the slots that type of mentality will be a thing of the past, but idealism is on of my faults
I read Lupe Fiasco twitter and agreed with his thoughts on the BLM lack of critical thinking. I personal agree to the main theme of the movement but disagree with much of the rallies. I think plenty of those families would like less publicity and more clarity.
One of the problems is that BLM is a Far Left movement based on the Black Panthers and other Black nationalist groups, and draws its inspiration from Assata Shakur, so it isn't mainstream. That means that it gets its tactics from Communist and agitprop movements that are confrontational and divisive.
When they lay down on the freeway it just pisses people off, including Black people who are trying to get to their jobs. When they interrupt politicians (like Bernie Sanders) it turns the crowd against them. OR marching into university libraries where people are studying so they can scream at White students. Then they demean their White allies and preach segregation. Talk about driving the Civil Rights Movement back fifty years.
If they stuck with the message of being against police brutality and made sure they were documented and confirmed cases of brutality (as opposed to taking a video out of context), explain how Black people experience discrimination today, and do peaceful non-in-your-face marches, then they'd have more support.
black lives matters is about the police shooting innocent unarmed black people
it has nothing to do with the black panther party or black nationalism
how can a video of unarmed men being murdered on film be taken out of context?
BLM says that they are against police shooting innocent unarmed people. They're actually against and for more than that. Look at their website: http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
As for videos taken out of context, I was making a general statement and not necessarily a comment on the Alton Sterling and Philando Castile videos. Any video can be taken out of context because they only show things from a single angle and usually a portion of the event. That's why when there's a crime and there's more than one video, all videos need to be seen.
I'm for the local police departments as well as the Justice Dept. going over all police shootings that result in death. But if the local investigation AND the Justice Dept. exonerate the police, we should probably respect those decisions. I don't think that all local police investigations will be fair, but I think if the Justice Dept. and the FBI also look over the evidence and come to the same conclusion, then those decisions probably are valid. That's one thing I don't see BLM doing. Once BLM convicts someone, they continue the narrative even if it's proven not to be true. That's one of the problems I have with them, aside from some of their tactics.
I think it's ridiculous of those people who make blanket condemnations of all police. Just like we don't think it's fair that some bad BLM supporters should represent the entire movement (like Rush Limbaugh calling BLM a "terrorist" group), neither should bad cops represent all police. When those officers in Dallas were pushing protesters away as they were running toward the bullets, they had no choice but to respect that. Cops put their lives in danger every day because they have a desire to protect, and there are more cop killings in the past couple of years than in decades. The same day five were killed in Dallas, others were killed in Missouri, Georgia and Tennessee.
So, black protesters should take pointers from you, a white person, on how to conduct their protests. That's hilarious.
As they say on Twitter, delete your account. Like dude said, are you going to stop talking about the Mafia since you're not Italian? And I didn't say that I expected them to take pointers from me, but it's a free country with a First Amendment so I have a right to express my opinion. I know that disappoints you and you'd like it to be Fascist so you can stamp out disagreement, but right now people still have the right to free speech.
Medved is a right winger who pretends to review movies based on artistic quality while really grading them on their nationalist jingoism.
He's a conservative Republican, yes, but not in the same vein as, say, Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh. And his show is mostly politics and social issues. He reviews movies on Fridays and is really no different than other film critics.
I wonder how outraged former congressman Joe Walsh was after the Charleston church shooting. Calling for "war", as he is after the Dallas shooting? Innocent black church parishioners gunned down in cold blood by Dylann Roof, a right wing, white supremacist. The police took Roof to Burger King en route to the station. If Dallas PD finds accomplices to the Dallas shooting, will they stop for burgers and onion rings, too?
do you have a problem with the shooter or black lives matter?
yall sound more upset with BLM than the actually perpetrator
I have a problem with both.
The shooter for obvious reasons.
BLM for a number of reasons. Many of their protests are disruptive by blocking highways. In the last few days we've seen many protesters in several cities arrested for doing that, as well as throwing things at cops.
But even more than that, the statistics simply do not support the basic contention of BLM that there's an epidemic of innocent black males being gunned down by cops. Nor that the morons with their signs and "What do we want?! When do we want it?!" nonsense would care about the facts. Much easier to not acknowledge the real problems in the black community and follow the narrative (often fed to them by white liberals) of them being victims.
Now the shooter the real hater he just wanted to shoot white people who happen to be cops. If all the cops there were black he may not have shot anyone.
do you have a problem with the shooter or black lives matter?
yall sound more upset with BLM than the actually perpetrator
Cook, that's a false choice fallacy. Obviously murder is worse, and if you've ever paid attention to my posts then you'd know that I don't defend police brutality or bad shootings. I've been critical of bad police shoots probably longer than you've been alive, okay.
Second, my criticisms of BLM are legit, and you would know that they are if you paid attention to all those links I provided. BLM could have been a better movement that's peaceful and brings people together against police brutality instead of being a divisive and sometimes hate-filled one. When I was young I used to take part in protests myself, but I never trampled on other people's rights. I never got in people's faces, never blocked businesses, never tried to take over a freeway. Right is right and wrong is wrong, Cook, and you know those tactics are wrong. Why alienate people? Why create more enemies instead of bringing people together? That's what I'm about. If you have a case, then have good arguments to support it.
There's a possibility the shooter was just insane, and babbling these political views while not knowing what he's talking about. The military background explains the markmanship.
I used the Snopes piece that the article referred to when I sent a post to correct that Conservative Treehouse lie. People repost this unverified garbage on Facebook and it spreads like cancer. The article's headline is wrong though. Both conservative and liberal media spread falsehoods.
The use and access to the internet is supposed to make finding and verifying information easier, but human nature being what it is, we tend to seek out and find things that "confirm" what we already think.
That's true for people of all walks of life, as we will soon see during the conventions and election.
That said, the stats themselves say it all. Both the Minnesota and Louisiana shootings could be found to be bad and the officers charged and the fundamental contention of BLM and their supporters would still be wrong.
I wasn't singling you out....and yes you did write "IF"...
I have issues with who BLM are, who is funding them, their ultimate goals, etc but beleive me when I tell you that Black men are treated differently than others when L.E. encounters happen. The main contention though is that, even when there is video tape evidence of reckless, non standard violence by police towards citizens or suspects that the legal system often looks the other way.
Your experiences are going to shape your views as my experiences have shaped mine.
Did you see the video of Tennis pro James Blake given the bum's rush by plain clothes cops in midtown Manhattan in broad daylight? Just jumped out of no where, not identifying themselves and tackling him to the ground?
The use and access to the internet is supposed to make finding and verifying information easier, but human nature being what it is, we tend to seek out and find things that "confirm" what we already think.
That's true for people of all walks of life, as we will soon see during the conventions and election.
Confirmation bias.
Also, even though the internet gives us access to an incredible amount of sources for news, people tend to stick with the same type of sources. For many all their news will be from right leaning or left leaning sites. It's hard for most people to break out of that bubble.
I wasn't singling you out....and yes you did write "IF"...
I have issues with who BLM are, who is funding them, their ultimate goals, etc but beleive me when I tell you that Black men are treated differently than others when L.E. encounters happen. The main contention though is that, even when there is video tape evidence of reckless, non standard violence by police towards citizens or suspects that the legal system often looks the other way.
Your experiences are going to shape your views as my experiences have shaped mine.
Did you see the video of Tennis pro James Blake given the bum's rush by plain clothes cops in midtown Manhattan in broad daylight? Just jumped out of no where, not identifying themselves and tackling him to the ground?
These incidents are not aberrations.
It's not that I don't necessarily agree that black men are treated differently at times - though I stand by what the stats say as a whole - I just don't agree with the reasons. The black/liberal explanation is that cops are racist, like they come home from their shift, take off their uniforms, and put on their white hoods. The more realistic, practical explanation is that it's black males who make up a big percentage of the violent crime in this country. If you're a cop, and that's who you deal with much of the time day in and day out, you're going to treat them differently. People high on their PC horse will cry "profiling" and "racism" but it makes sense. Who the black community should really be angry at is the criminals in their midst who give them a bad name.
^ yes it was. The black community as they like to be known as. Needs to take a look at themselves and assess where the problemsie within. The police do it, why cant they. In the majority of these cases the shooting victims are running their mouths and resisting. Rule number 1 involving the po-lice: show them respect and don't resist. You act like a punk, you should get treated like one.
This disgusting picture was posted on the Instagram account of Browns running back Isaiah Crowell. Looks to me like he is not only advocating killing cops, but that he either supports ISIS or could easily switch that all black garb for a KKK hood.
This senseless violence - from all sides - needs to stop.
It's not that I don't necessarily agree that black men are treated differently at times - though I stand by what the stats say as a whole - I just don't agree with the reasons. The black/liberal explanation is that cops are racist, like they come home from their shift, take off their uniforms, and put on their white hoods. The more realistic, practical explanation is that it's black males who make up a big percentage of the violent crime in this country. If you're a cop, and that's who you deal with much of the time day in and day out, you're going to treat them differently. People high on their PC horse will cry "profiling" and "racism" but it makes sense. Who the black community should really be angry at is the criminals in their midst who give them a bad name.
I view some of this as deflection and straw men. Some police officers engaging in behavior that is reckless and not consistent with THEIR training and procedures is the contention. You're choosing to deflect from this and absolve the bad cops for their decisions and actions.
The deflection about how many more interactions there will be between L.E. and Black men? In most jobs, the more experience you have doing a certain task, the more proficient and wise you get handling it. If officers are having more experience stopping,detaining, or apprehending Black men....I'd think that cops would be better able to read ,diffuse, and control situations better and there would be less violence.
Like I said before, I grew up in a particular violent city and era...Newark,NJ in the crack era 1980s. Real cops who were dealing with real crime problems in a majority Black city. Physically, I was indistinguishable from the kids who were part of the criminal element yet I never once had any problems or legal interaction with police in Newark.
I think the training was better,cops had on the field experience in assessing people by BEHAVIOR rather than appearance, and cops there didn't have idle time on their hands to do some of the foolish stuff some of these cops today are doing....liking deciding to pull over people because they fit descriptions because they have "wide set noses".
Straw man arguments about what liberal media or Blacks are saying about cops and the klan have no bearing on this discussion because nobody can "prove" what is in anybody's heart or mind. Fact remains that in a lot of these cases, cops are not following the guidelines that they were trained under.Overly aggressive,, speaking to citizens in disrespectful manner, reckless use of violence/force on suspect,falsifying or not filling out police reports after incidents. Basically not being professional when doing their jobs. It's like when dealing with Black men, some cops throw their training out of the window and it becomes about macho posturing.
I agree. Disgusting picture and you have to question the mentality of a public figure (in this case a pro athlete) who would post such a stupid and inflammatory picture. This emotional reaction from people...in PUBLIC PERMANENT platforms...no less, is all a bunch of hot air. Marching holding hands and promoting random violence is pointless. That player should be suspended for posting that actually. We have freedom of speech in this country, but there have to be consequences when advocating or making light of death.
I felt that same way about the NYPD cops who were photographed wearing "I can't breathe shirts" mocking the choking death of Eric Garner by a rogue cop.
I also feel that way about the ex-congressman who made a veiled threat to the POTUS the other day.
Hashtags and veiled threats from the safety of your home are easy to do. Actually doing constructive things to help change some of this stuff is hard, which is why most people don't do it.
So you grew up just ahead of two of the major racial events of the past generation: the Rodney King beating and verdict and the OJ Simpson saga.
I'm glad to hear you did not experience any problems. You're extremely fortunate in that regard.
I feel like the early 90s re-opened many of the wounds from the Civil Rights unrest of the late 60s. Then fast forward to the past five years from George Zimmerman, to Tamir Rice (took place not far from where I work), to the events of the past week.
The social media age gives lots of people "beer muscles" to be more brash than they probably would ever dare to be verbally. Then again, some of the protestors just want to see how much media coverage they can get as the main objective.
These are very scary times. We have a divisive presidential candidate in Trump who fans the flames of extremism, intolerance, and prejudice. Then combine that with some rogue cops, ISIS, and citizens hunting cops and it's a recipe for disaster.
I'm heading out of town when the RNC circus pulls in next week. I just hope that there is a city to return to once they leave. And I certainly hope all of the violence stops regardless of the location.
No one thinks whites ever faced bull shit from NYC cops. When I was a kid there were no black cops just white cops. They could do anything they wanted to white kids or any color kids black, Puerto Rican even Chinese, Jews.
Bothered any kids in a group. They stopped and frisked us and questioned us. Asked our names they expected us to lie to them. They would smack us around take one of us for a ride and drop us off some where. We did not have money so it was hard to get home.
So were we good kids. Hell no but when you did nothing and bothered it was very easy for us to hate cops.
Even today if I saw a cop in trouble or hurt I would not help him. Because I still remember the shit they pulled. Later on I still had problems with them. So frankly I feel more comfortible with minorities then I feel with white bread guys.
Heck I marched in the million man march they had in Harlem. It was more like the 25 thousand man March. I was there because someone up their oued us money. So I went to collect.
On George Zimmerman I knew that he was full of shit when I first heard his story. He killed that kid because he got hurt a little bit and he had a gun. You get hurt and have a gun you will use that gun. He was nothing. I believe that kid was not going to kill him.
If anyone of you street guys every hit anyone from behind with a bat. When the guy goes to the hospital the doctors think he was hit from the front because the get what I like to call raccoon eyes. Front of the face turns all black and blue. When they check his face he is not fucked up in the face it is just swollen. Then a smart doctor will check the back of his head.
They did not do that with Zimmerman. So they thought the kid fucked him up bad so he shot him to protect his himself from death.
So you grew up just ahead of two of the major racial events of the past generation: the Rodney King beating and verdict and the OJ Simpson saga.
I'm glad to hear you did not experience any problems. You're extremely fortunate in that regard.
I feel like the early 90s re-opened many of the wounds from the Civil Rights unrest of the late 60s. Then fast forward to the past five years from George Zimmerman, to Tamir Rice (took place not far from where I work), to the events of the past week.
The social media age gives lots of people "beer muscles" to be more brash than they probably would ever dare to be verbally. Then again, some of the protestors just want to see how much media coverage they can get as the main objective.
These are very scary times. We have a divisive presidential candidate in Trump who fans the flames of extremism, intolerance, and prejudice. Then combine that with some rogue cops, ISIS, and citizens hunting cops and it's a recipe for disaster.
I'm heading out of town when the RNC circus pulls in next week. I just hope that there is a city to return to once they leave. And I certainly hope all of the violence stops regardless of the location.
Straw man arguments about what liberal media or Blacks are saying about cops and the klan have no bearing on this discussion because nobody can "prove" what is in anybody's heart or mind. Fact remains that in a lot of these cases, cops are not following the guidelines that they were trained under.Overly aggressive,, speaking to citizens in disrespectful manner, reckless use of violence/force on suspect,falsifying or not filling out police reports after incidents. Basically not being professional when doing their jobs. It's like when dealing with Black men, some cops throw their training out of the window and it becomes about macho posturing.
Most of what you wrote is correct, but one point I would disagree with you is this: sometimes the policy itself is wrong. As an example let's look at the Eric Garner case.
Garner was illegally selling cigarettes and a local business owner called the police and the police came. Then when confronted he became resistive. What did the police do? He was brought to the ground, face down. One of the officers put his leg on Garner's back and applied pressure while putting him in a chokehold. This was all monitored by a Black female police sergeant. This indicates that this NYPD standard procedure.
There were three things wrong with what the police did. First, Garner was clearly obese. When restraining obese people they must be placed on the ground face up or against a wall. This is to ensure their ability to breathe is not compromised. When they put him on the ground face down they diminished his ability to breathe. The second thing was when the officer put his leg on Garner's back and applied pressure, further diminishing his ability to breathe. The third thing was the chokehold itself. There are two types of chokeholds: one cuts off breathing and cuts off the airway, the other applies pressure to the carotid artery. Of the two, cutting of the blood supply of the carotid artery is safer, yet the NYPD uses the other.
Because the police followed policy -- despite causing Garner's death -- none were convicted of a crime. Moreover, the way the Grand Jury was conducted was strange. Only the officer who physically interacted with Garner faced trial while his supervisor and the other officers were given immunity to testify against him. To say the least, something was wrong with that scenario. But the point is, following a bad policy that allows people to be killed when they shouldn't be is what protected the officers from being sent to prison. No one paid the price for a death that shouldn't have happened.
As always, thanks for the info and clarification F1.
There was a thread where I brought up a White soccer mom,Cindy Hahn, who was beaten up by two cowardly cops. First cop lied on top of her...the second cop came and started striking her and I wondered why the first cop had to cover a middle aged woman to restrain her. You explained to me how difficult it is to restrain a person of any size, and what some of the safety reasons are for using multiple people to restrain a person.
This is the unedited video I posted back then.
Garner was in fact breaking the law by selling loosies, and did in fact resist arrest. My question then and now about the choke hold was....at what point do you release the hold and allow the other officers to cuff the suspect/perp.?
Natural impulse when you are being choked is to try to clear what is choking you..in this case Garner's arms bending trying to pry the cop's arms from around his neck. No matter what you are being commanded to do, your body's self preservation instincts will make yo try to release what is choking you.Guidelines surely gave him leeway to release a chokehold on a man who said he couldn't breathe. Macho posturing.....Garner made them look bad in front of a crowd by resisting, so this officer was gonna get his pound of flesh.
Cop who choked Garner was not gonna let go until the man died, he heard the guy say I can't breathe and kept chokehold on him for minutes after that. Daniel Pantaleo, the cop, is a demon as far as I'm concerned.
Gets, no problem. I may have to wait before viewing the video. I can only take so much abuse-watching at a time. They are emotionally upsetting to watch.
To your choking question, when you do the carotid artery chokehold the person normally passes out in seconds...and they still breathe. Since the person is passed out, cuffs can be easily applied without resistance.
In regard to Pantaleo, remember that his supervisor was right there the whole time monitoring every move. Wouldn't that make her at least as guilty as he is, if not more so? What about police policies that make these techniques legal?
The ranking officer is guilty as well. Again, Garner made the cops lose "face" in front of the crowd by resisting, so "they" were gonna get him back. It's the "us against them" attitude that Dude mentioned in his post about police. Like a true coward, the ranking officer didn't tell Pantaleo to release the hold, because again "it's us against them" She has to live with her (in)decision for the rest of her life.Female cops (in this region) are super aggressive usually and go overboard to prove they are one of the guys.And in the "us versus them" mentality the only color is Blue.She failed as the ranking officer on the scene.
I'm gonna assign most of the blame on the guy who felt the life force drain from a guy he was choking and continued choking him anyway.
I've heard local radio interviews from ex-cops..on both sides of this issue..and they all agree that the incident could have been diffused much earlier.Cops in that precinct had arrested Garner several times before...so they had a lot of experience in dealing with him..and knew what he was and wasn't capable of.
He absolutely should not have resisted, and just taken the L...got booked and paid the fine
Good point about addressing the official policy and guidelines which ultimately allowed the tragedy to happen and for no indictments. I think that officers pick and choose when to use discretion in following the letter of the law regarding guidelines.The cop surely could have released the chokehold much earlier....He kept it on so long that he was strangling a corpse at one point.
See they do that to white people to that is why you never called the cops. If it is life or death your dead by the time they get there. On a domestic disturbance you still don't call them. You call them the chances are they arrest everyone. Argue with them that is what happens.
The only people that love cops are people who pay them off. Regular people yeah they love them if they never were bothered by them or had to call them or if they are your handyman.
Weird part of the story is that he had already attacked several people....killed at least one person....refused to drop weapon...threw some type of acid on cops and wasn't taken out.
What more would he have had to do for cops to aim for center mass and kill this PoS?
If I'm pulled over and I sneeze at the wrong time I'd get shot.
video of this story from March 2016
this is along the lines of what I mean by cops using discretion selectively..and this guy had already killed someone when cornered by cops.
You really think because he was not black he was not shot? They might have been scared of him. So they waited for help to show up. See the women cop trying to run after him. She runs like hilliary if she could run.
Now if they did the right thing and shot him close range from behind they would be in trouble.
I'm actually surprised that Crowell didn't get suspended. He wrote (or posted a written) detailed apology and will donate his first game check to an organization for fallen policemen's families.
It's not that I don't necessarily agree that black men are treated differently at times - though I stand by what the stats say as a whole - I just don't agree with the reasons. The black/liberal explanation is that cops are racist, like they come home from their shift, take off their uniforms, and put on their white hoods. The more realistic, practical explanation is that it's black males who make up a big percentage of the violent crime in this country. If you're a cop, and that's who you deal with much of the time day in and day out, you're going to treat them differently. People high on their PC horse will cry "profiling" and "racism" but it makes sense. Who the black community should really be angry at is the criminals in their midst who give them a bad name.
I view some of this as deflection and straw men. Some police officers engaging in behavior that is reckless and not consistent with THEIR training and procedures is the contention. You're choosing to deflect from this and absolve the bad cops for their decisions and actions.
The deflection about how many more interactions there will be between L.E. and Black men? In most jobs, the more experience you have doing a certain task, the more proficient and wise you get handling it. If officers are having more experience stopping,detaining, or apprehending Black men....I'd think that cops would be better able to read ,diffuse, and control situations better and there would be less violence.
Like I said before, I grew up in a particular violent city and era...Newark,NJ in the crack era 1980s. Real cops who were dealing with real crime problems in a majority Black city. Physically, I was indistinguishable from the kids who were part of the criminal element yet I never once had any problems or legal interaction with police in Newark.
I think the training was better,cops had on the field experience in assessing people by BEHAVIOR rather than appearance, and cops there didn't have idle time on their hands to do some of the foolish stuff some of these cops today are doing....liking deciding to pull over people because they fit descriptions because they have "wide set noses".
Straw man arguments about what liberal media or Blacks are saying about cops and the klan have no bearing on this discussion because nobody can "prove" what is in anybody's heart or mind. Fact remains that in a lot of these cases, cops are not following the guidelines that they were trained under.Overly aggressive,, speaking to citizens in disrespectful manner, reckless use of violence/force on suspect,falsifying or not filling out police reports after incidents. Basically not being professional when doing their jobs. It's like when dealing with Black men, some cops throw their training out of the window and it becomes about macho posturing.
exactly they've just become emboldened because nobody is going to jail for shooting people
black people go to jail for the shootings certain people claim that black people ignore
That said, the stats themselves say it all. Both the Minnesota and Louisiana shootings could be found to be bad and the officers charged and the fundamental contention of BLM and their supporters would still be wrong.
black lives matter is about THE POLICE unjustifiably shooting black people
the police shooting unarmed black men repeatedly on camera started the movement
Cook county are you black. You know so much about it I though you were black. Yes it bad to get hit by a cop just because your black. I don't know what's that like being off white. My friend Ralphie Lanza got shot in the face by a cop. He lived to tell about it. As a matter of fact it was good for him. He was fat and he talked to much. Then he became skinny and since he caught one in the teeth he did not talk as much any more. Unfortunately he is dead now someone killed him not black and not a cop.
As kids we played shot for shot not in the arm in the face. His mistake was he let me go first. I did not stop until I knocked him out. He used to pay kids to rob for him. He threw them a few bucks then fenced it for 40 percent of the value. If you ever need money that is a good way to get it.
When Obama spoke yestarday he talked about those 5 dead cops. Then he mentioned the two black guys by name. He did not mentioned the cops by name. President bush did know their names. That is why they went their right to honor the cops so at least one president knew their names. I out of two isn't bad.
That said, the stats themselves say it all. Both the Minnesota and Louisiana shootings could be found to be bad and the officers charged and the fundamental contention of BLM and their supporters would still be wrong.
black lives matter is about THE POLICE unjustifiably shooting black people
the police shooting unarmed black men repeatedly on camera started the movement
BLM started after Trayvon Martin was killed by George Zimmerman, who wasn't a cop.
I'm actually surprised that Crowell didn't get suspended. He wrote (or posted a written) detailed apology and will donate his first game check to an organization for fallen policemen's families.
He also posted a video apology.
I am too. That's the Browns for you and another example of why they're one of the most dysfunctional organizations in all of sports.
The reason I was so upset is that Crowell didn't get that he was adding fuel to the problem with that post. He has EVERY right to be upset about black citizens getting killed, abused, etc by white police. I am sickened by it too. But Crowell has a huge forum as an athlete to some very impressionable kids. Like I said before, that killer looks like he's a member of ISIS, which is taking a horrible situation and making it worse.
Glad to see him step up and work to rectify the damage. I hope he gets out in the community and speaks to kids.
When Obama spoke yestarday he talked about those 5 dead cops. Then he mentioned the two black guys by name. He did not mentioned the cops by name. President bush did know their names. That is why they went their right to honor the cops so at least one president knew their names. I out of two isn't bad.
This is really petty. You're really splitting hairs.
Slick escape: polygamous sect leader uses olive oil to slip free of FBI tracker
Lyle Jeffs, who was on house arrest facing fraud charges, escapes FBI’s GPS monitor by pouring ‘some kind of lubricant’ believed to be olive oil on his ankle
A leader of the polygamous Utah sect of the Mormon church, who is facing federal fraud charges, escaped from a GPS tracking device using olive oil or another kind of lubricant, according to the FBI.
Lyle Jeffs of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) was released from jail on 9 June pending a trial on charges that he and others swindled the federal government out of millions of dollars in food stamps.
Less than two weeks after a judge released him, Jeffs violated his house arrest, according to the FBI in Utah, which issued a warrant for the 56-year-old’s arrest.
Now, federal investigators say they believe Jeffs escaped the FBI’s monitoring by pouring olive oil or a similar substance onto his ankle to allow him to remove a bracelet that was tracking his whereabouts.
“There was evidence at the home that he had used some sort of lubricant to slide the GPS tracker off of his ankle, and we do believe it was olive oil,” said FBI spokeswoman Sandra Yi Barker. She said there was “damage” to the bracelet, but “it wasn’t enough to trigger an alert to the federal agents”.
Federal prosecutors, along with an estranged member of the family, had previously urged the government not to release Lyle, arguing that he would flee.
Officials discovered Jeffs had escaped after he did not respond to an inquiry, prompting officers to visit his home, Barker said. The search remains underway.
Jeffs is one of 11 FLDS leaders arrested in February in one of the largest recents crackdowns on the controversial sect, which is based on the Arizona-Utah border and split from the official Mormon church in 1890.
Federal prosecutors have alleged that since 2011, Jeffs and other church leaders have orchestrated a sophisticated fraud scheme in which members would illegally divert food-stamp proceeds, which are meant for low-income families.
Jeffs and other leaders engaged in a conspiracy to defraud the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (Snap) and gave members instructions on how to avoid government detection, according to an indictment.
In one common tactic, they would allegedly buy groceries with food stamps and then give the supplies to the church’s communal “FLDS Storehouse” through which leaders would divide up the goods. Unauthorized members would also use food-stamp cards, prosecutors said.
Jeffs has been handling the daily affairs of the sect in Hildale, Utah since his brother Warren Jeffs is serving a life sentence for sexually assaulting young girls. He took girls as young as 12 to be his brides.
Followers believe Warren Jeffs directly channels the voice of God, and before he was jailed, Lyle had been communicating his brothers’ orders from prison.
The US department of justice won a separate criminal case earlier this year after it sued the towns of Hildale and Colorado City, Arizona, alleging that the church controlled the communities and discriminated against residents who aren’t FLDS members.
I'm actually surprised that Crowell didn't get suspended. He wrote (or posted a written) detailed apology and will donate his first game check to an organization for fallen policemen's families.
He also posted a video apology.
I have to admit, that was a pretty decent apology.
I am too. That's the Browns for you and another example of why they're one of the most dysfunctional organizations in all of sports.
The reason I was so upset is that Crowell didn't get that he was adding fuel to the problem with that post. He has EVERY right to be upset about black citizens getting killed, abused, etc by white police. I am sickened by it too. But Crowell has a huge forum as an athlete to some very impressionable kids. Like I said before, that killer looks like he's a member of ISIS, which is taking a horrible situation and making it worse.
Glad to see him step up and work to rectify the damage. I hope he gets out in the community and speaks to kids.
Completely irresponsible action from a grown man...nevermind the fact that he's in the public eye. The Browns and the NFL chickened out by not suspending him.
I hadn't thought about the Isis aspect until I read your post and went back and reread your other post. I think this guy just saw an image online and just tweeted it in anger. An Isis member with what looks like a USA flag backpack on? what does that even mean?
This action won't hurt his playing career, but if he wants to coach down the line...it will definitely haunt him.
When I was coming up, the last remnants of the Italian community were leaving Newark. The old school guys used to hold court in their stores/shops and talk about how nice Newark used to be and how cops used to whoop ass if young guys got out of line. When I saw Goodfellas the first time, Tommy's story about getting tuned up by cops in "See-caucus", sounded just like some of the old stories. Joe Pesci is from Newark so maybe he added some of that to the script.
BANG!POW!
When I asked them about parents' reaction, they said the parents were ashamed to see cops bringing their kids home and just happy that the kid wasn't arrested.
Marty said that whole scene was improvised by Pesci and the other actors. Pesci has said before that he's a method actor. He thinks of someone he knows that's similar to the character he's playing, and just becomes that person. I wouldn't doubt he was portraying someone he grew up with in Newark.
Marty said that whole scene was improvised by Pesci and the other actors. Pesci has said before that he's a method actor. He thinks of someone he knows that's similar to the character he's playing, and just becomes that person. I wouldn't doubt he was portraying someone he grew up with in Newark.
Joe Pesce never took an acting lesson. He told me he was acting his whole life. I knew him, but he was a tough guy even though he was a midget. Method acting he must have stole that from DeNiro.
He sees that movie staring Dudley Moore a comedy he played a drunk. He told me he could have done that movie. I said you think you can do comedy. He said yeah. Then he made the movie with Rodney dangerfield.
I knew they improvised the scene with the other guy. What's so funny about me. They did some of the casting of good fellas in Rao's. People were their telling stories left and right.
They new my friend Johnny Roastbeef from there he worked there. He is the meeter and greeter in Rao's LA now.
Johnny knows a million stories about Italian Harlem because he knew a lot of people. Every see ask him when big Sam got mad at him for charging a nickle more for soda to him because it was cold.
Or when the cops their broke his front store window of his place johnnie super hero's. Ask him how he feels about cops.
I'm for the local police departments as well as the Justice Dept. going over all police shootings that result in death. But if the local investigation AND the Justice Dept. exonerate the police, we should probably respect those decisions. I don't think that all local police investigations will be fair, but I think if the Justice Dept. and the FBI also look over the evidence and come to the same conclusion, then those decisions probably are valid. That's one thing I don't see BLM doing. Once BLM convicts someone, they continue the narrative even if it's proven not to be true. That's one of the problems I have with them, aside from some of their tactics.
Agree. The comedian D.L. Hughley faced off with a reporter from Fox News the other day. She brought up the Justice Dept. report about Mike Brown shooting and he flat out refused to acknowledge it.
Even understanding the nature of these type of short-side-versus-side media segments, people have to acknowledge facts. Conceding somebody else's point when it's true doesn't weaken your argument...it strengthens your credibility as the discussion continues.
The first step to understanding the media is to stop watching FoxNews outright. I haven't watched that network since 2008, and I haven't missed a thing. Since that time, I have not been presented with any piece of news where Fox was the source that I wasn't already informed on, or that was relevant. I noticed that most stories shared around social media via foxnews involve race, fear of black teenagers, etc. That network does not provide information. They entertain and incite.
Turkish army have launched a coup and taken over the country surprised this has happened in 2016 but then again the military have alot of power alot of terrorism there lately. Very bad news for US and EU
Turkey's military said on Friday it had seized power, but the prime minister said the attempted coup would be put down.
If successful, the overthrow of President Tayyip Erdogan, who has ruled Turkey since 2003, would be one of the biggest shifts in power in the Middle East in years, transforming one of the most important U.S. allies in the region.
Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said the elected government remained in office. There was no immediate word from Erdogan. A source in his office said he was safe.
Airports were shut, access to Internet social media sites was cut off, and troops sealed off the two bridges over the Bosphorus in Istanbul, one of which was still lit up red, white and blue in solidarity with victims of the Bastille Day truck attack in France a day earlier.
TRT state television announced a countrywide curfew. An announcer read a statement on the orders of the military that accused the government of eroding the democratic and secular rule of law. The country would be run by a "peace council" that would ensure the safety of the population, the statement said.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, speaking jointly after talks in Moscow, both said they hoped bloodshed would be avoided.
Turkey, a NATO member with the second biggest military in the Western alliance, is one of the most important allies of the United States in the fight against Islamic State.
It is a principal backer of opponents of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in that country's civil war, and host to 2 million Syrian refugees.
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A senior EU source monitoring the situation said: "It looks like a relatively well orchestrated coup by a significant body of the military, not just a few colonels. They've got control of the airports and are expecting control over the TV station imminently. They control several strategic points in Istanbul.
"Given the scale of the operation, it is difficult to imagine they will stop short of prevailing. It's not just a few colonels," the source repeated.
One European diplomat was dining with the Turkish ambassador to a European capital when guests were interrupted by the pinging of urgent news on their mobile phones.
"This is clearly not some tinpot little coup. The Turkish ambassador was clearly shocked and is taking it very seriously," the diplomat told Reuters as the dinner party broke up. "However it looks in the morning, this will have massive implications for Turkey. This has not come out of nowhere."
In an statement sent by email and reported on TV channels, the military said it had taken power to protect the democratic order and to maintain human rights. All of Turkey's existing foreign relations would be maintained and the rule of law would remain the priority, it said.
The state-run Anadolu news agency said the chief of Turkey's military staff was among people taken "hostage" in the capital Ankara. CNN Turk also reported that hostages were being held at the military headquarters.
After serving as prime minister from 2003, Erdogan was elected president in 2014 with plans to alter the constitution to give the previously ceremonial presidency far greater executive powers.
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Yildirim said a group within Turkey's military had attempted to overthrow the government and security forces have been called in to "do what is necessary".
"Some people illegally undertook an illegal action outside of the chain of command," Yildirim said in comments broadcast by private channel NTV.
"The government elected by the people remains in charge. This government will only go when the people say so."
Those behind the attempted coup would pay the highest price, he added.
They have a history of launching coups the Turkish army but this looks very organized. This could get bloody the president has his supporters and he is not going to back down easily already reports of there being gun shots people ignoring the curfew. This has not been organized by the generals either apparently they have been taken hostage by the normal soldiers.
This is not good we need Turkey stable they are the barrier between Europe and the middle East they are who we count on to do deal with groups like ISIS. Turkey has been a mess lately they are struggling to deal with the kurds and there laws on the press are disgusting and they think they should be part of the EU very deluded. They can never be allowed to join the EU never.
coup has failed 2,839 soldiers have been arrested. 161 dead and over a 1000 injured. Some of the soldiers in Turkey have flown into Greece asking for asylum.
I dont know what they were thinking a coup in turkey in 2016
Over here in Rotterdam thousends of Turks took to the streets to demonstrate and cause trouble, some even assaulted a camera man of the national news agency. It is very plain to see now where their loyalty lies, a lot don't have any respect for our country, they suck it dry and send the money to Turkey.
EDIT: I'm not talking about all Turks btw, I grew up with a lot who are stand up guys. I'm talking about the people who are demonstrating and causing trouble.
Some pundits say Erdogan maybe behind all this himself, so he has a legitimate reason to limit the power of the military. Personally I think that is a little too far fetched, that would be too difficult to pull off I reckon..
They think they can start a race war in this country but they can't. The guys doing this when they find them are most likely career criminals stupid ones. Because they getting chump change to do probsbly from old white guy anarchists. Find them pressure them they will give up their mothers rather then do life.
If there's anything positive that could come from this insanity, it's increasingly going to kill sympathy for the Black Lives Matter frauds and their liberal white overlords on the Left.
Police union: Open carry of guns should be suspended at Republican convention in Cleveland
The head of the Cleveland police union on Sunday urged Ohio's governor to declare a state of emergency and to suspend laws allowing the open carrying of firearms during the Republican National Convention, after the shooting of six police officers in Louisiana.
"I don't care what the legal precedent is, I feel strongly that leadership needs to stand up and defend these police officers," Steve Loomis, the head of the police union, told Reuters in an interview at the union's headquarters on Sunday. The four-day convention is due to begin on Monday.
If there's anything positive that could come from this insanity, it's increasingly going to kill sympathy for the Black Lives Matter frauds and their liberal white overlords on the Left.
Police union: Open carry of guns should be suspended at Republican convention in Cleveland
The head of the Cleveland police union on Sunday urged Ohio's governor to declare a state of emergency and to suspend laws allowing the open carrying of firearms during the Republican National Convention, after the shooting of six police officers in Louisiana.
"I don't care what the legal precedent is, I feel strongly that leadership needs to stand up and defend these police officers," Steve Loomis, the head of the police union, told Reuters in an interview at the union's headquarters on Sunday. The four-day convention is due to begin on Monday.
Police union: Open carry of guns should be suspended at Republican convention in Cleveland
The head of the Cleveland police union on Sunday urged Ohio's governor to declare a state of emergency and to suspend laws allowing the open carrying of firearms during the Republican National Convention, after the shooting of six police officers in Louisiana.
What a great message that sends for the party and candidate who claim they denounce gun control.
I feel like ranting. I sign on to a credit card. Before they put me on they ask me who was my high school friend. I did not have any friends from HS. So I can't answer. So I call the card get a representive. She is useless so I ask her did you go the beach. She tells me there is no beach where she lives. I say where do you live she says Kansas. I said no water there at all. She says just water parks.
I told her I don't like the beach I think I will get attack by a shark. Then I said you ever heard the song More. More then the great love I told her song won an academy award. Tell her to listen to it by Sergio Franki he did it great. Then I told her the movie it came from was one of the worst movies of all time Mondo Cani.
I said in it a kid was killed by a shark. As revenge they caught sharks and stuffed seaurgins down there throats then let it go to die a long painful death. I told if a shark ate me he would die a slow painful death.
Police union: Open carry of guns should be suspended at Republican convention in Cleveland
The head of the Cleveland police union on Sunday urged Ohio's governor to declare a state of emergency and to suspend laws allowing the open carrying of firearms during the Republican National Convention, after the shooting of six police officers in Louisiana.
What a great message that sends for the party and candidate who claim they denounce gun control.
Exactly SC.
Also, keep in mind that there must be one or more provision's in Ohio's constitution or laws to provide for any suspension of one or more constitutional provisions or laws.
There is something brewing and about to boil over in this country for sure.There are elements of race, but I think it's bigger than that.
I think the ones cheering and rooting for a race war will ignore the fact that one of the cops killed in Baton Rouge was Black, and that last week in Michigan the courthouse shooting by the suspect, the shooter and victims were all White.
Regardless of color, these shootings are all examples of demonic behavior though. These are clear cut WRONG actions because these officers were randomly targeted and hit. Some of the examples of police brutality and shootings are a bit more complex, but at the end of the day a lot of them were EQUALLY as wrong. If a cop feels like his/her life is in danger or the general public is in danger, they have to use force often deadly force, but the past 3 years or so we've seen some examples of cops crossing the line and executing people on a whim.
Some people live in a fantasy world where they actually think that if you're not causing trouble or committing crime that cops will never bother you.Ha.Double Ha.
I m reading a lot of stories that say that this WAS a staged coup. I didn't think it was possible at first, but stranger things have happened in history.
From what you're reading, was it a plot to identify who his enemies were or a straight up manufactured coup d'etat?
I m reading a lot of stories that say that this WAS a staged coup. I didn't think it was possible at first, but stranger things have happened in history.
From what you're reading, was it a plot to identify who his enemies were or a straight up manufactured coup d'etat?
I don't know everything about the different scenarios, but I wouldn't put anything past this tyrant and demagogue Erdogan.
3rd officer acquitted in Freddie Gray case. This one by a black judge, if I'm not mistaken. Hope Baltimore thinks that $6 million to his family was money well spent.
Roger Ailes days at Fox News (FOXA) may be numbered, according to a new report.
According to New York Magazine's Daily Intelligencer, two sources claim 21st Century Fox co-Chairmen Rupert Murdoch and Lachlan Murdoch and CEO James Murdoch will remove Ailes from his current post of chairman and CEO of Fox News.
Ailes is a nasty, thirsty old dude. Has been for years. Just scratching the surface. A conservative radio host was even reading past accounts of his sexual advances on his show last week. Poor lady kept telling him she's happily married, and she'd never do that to her husband. He kept insisting if she didn't, she'd go nowhere in the industry. He should be in jail.
Convicted felon and adulterer rails against corruption...
"Hey pot, it's me, kettle."
Of course, D'Souza isn't running for president while Clinton is. And, going with your metaphor, you're admitting Clinton is corrupt. Are you still voting for her?
The convention is shaping up to be more entertaining than I imagined. Anybody who had “Day One” in the “When Will Someone Say Something Really Racist at the GOP Convention” pool, you win!!!
Rep. Steve King wonders what ‘sub-groups’ besides whites made contributions to civilization
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) offered an unusual defense of the racial homogeneity of his party during a panel on MSNBC Monday evening.
The group, led by Chris Hayes, was discussing the first day of the Republican national convention, and Donald Trump's history of racially-loaded comments and behavior. King told Hayes that he thought Trump had "modified" his behavior in that regard, but Esquire's Charlie Pierce said he didn't see much diversity reflected in the gathering itself.
"If you're really optimistic, you can say that this is the last time that old white people will command the Republican party's attention, its platform, its public face," Esquire's Charles Pierce said. "That hall is wired," he continued. "That hall is wired by loud, unhappy, dissatisfied white people."
King objected.
"This 'old white people' business does get a little tired, Charlie," King said. "I'd ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you're talking about, where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?"
"Than white people?" Hayes asked, clearly amazed.
"Than, than Western civilization itself," King replied. "It's rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That's all of Western civilization."
The other panelists objected, with Hayes trying to keep the peace. Panelist April Ryan, who is black, asked, "What about Asia? What about Africa?"
"We're not going to argue the history of Western civilization," Hayes said. "Let me note for the record that if you're looking at the ledger of Western civilization, for every flourishing democracy, you have Hitler and Stalin as well"
King was in the news most recently for including a Confederate flag among a cluster of pennants on the desk in his office, but his history of racially inflammatory comments extends back much further. In 2013, King was criticized by his peers after he insisted that for every immigrant in the country illegally who becomes a valedictorian, "there’s another 100 out there that — they weigh 130 pounds, and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert." Earlier this year, he pushed hard to block the addition of Harriet Tubman to the $20 bill.
In the wake of the murder of five police officers in Dallas, King accused the shooter of having been inspired by "anti-white/cop events illuminated by Obama."
During the primaries, King was a supporter of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas). During the MSNBC segment, King admitted that his support for Donald Trump was somewhat grudging.
For the record, there have been a great number of non-white contributions to human civilization. Civilization first arose in cities in Mesopotamia, in what is now Iraq and Syria. Arabic and Middle Eastern inventors and scientists brought astronomy to the world, which in turn aided innovations in navigation. Critical innovations in mathematics and architecture originated in the same area. The Chinese contributed philosophical precepts and early monetary systems, among other things. The specific inventions that were created outside of the Western world are too many to list: the seismograph, the umbrella, gunpowder, stirrups, the compass.
Oh, and, of course, the non-Western world gave us the numeric system that will be used to tally up the delegates to make Trump the nominee of King's party.
Thanks. WOW. Excellent article. Sending out to people as I type this. I'm ashamed to say that I didn't know the extent of the thievery. I read an article recently about the Red Cross and their mismanagement of money earmarked for Haiti and I have read a few pieces over the years about the Clintons robbing money that was donated to help Haitians but NOTHING as detailed as this.
Clintons are a special breed of crooks, even for politicians...and this story is essentially being swept under the rug by news media.
I expect a certain amount of skim from U.S.politicians, but things get done/built. In Haiti, politicians and businesses steal all of the money..and the projects never get done or are done half assed. The cholera epidemic of a few years ago was DIRECTLY caused by a Haitian company that was contracted to do sewage/waste disposal for U.N facility .yet failed to follow international rules about dumping waste near waterways. Haiti is currently embroiled in yet another mess about rigged election results,etc,etc, yada yada so it's a perfect place to steal money from because outsider can always point to the instability as an excuse about why this or that project didn't go as planned.
I've said on this forum that "foreign aid" is a great big sham when it comes to underdeveloped countries.The amount of aid is publicized in the news, pictures are taken,etc. Foreign aid and such are designed to be permanent institutions and jobs for people....not to ACTUALLY help anybody in these places...similar to how the modern welfare system works..crafted to sustain itself and guarantee that there is always a "need" for it.
After disasters, poor people were "stage props" for the cameras." Look at these poor people who NEED our help, send money now".I call these scumbags "poverty pimps"
I'm surprised at the extent that Clintons pilfered the money but not that they did it.They are master politicians and scoundrels of the highest(or lowest order).
I would carefully scrutinize D'Souza's sources. Dinesh D'Souza is a convicted felon. He also belongs to several right wing think tanks, and has written several books targeting Democrats and progressive politics exclusively. He's not an objective journalist. He has a blatantly biased agenda, and he's trying to take down Hillary Clinton.
No mention of Philando Castile at the convention tonight. Rudy came close. He referenced the incident, but couldn't bring himself to say Castile's name. I find that cowardly. Republicans should get in front of the issue of police brutality before the convention is over, because it's an important topic to moderates on both sides. It will certainly be brought up at the Democratic convention next week.
The Red Cross is long noted for paying the leaders of the country a lot of money to get supplies to the people who needed it. There leaders are the ones who caused the problem in the first place.
No mention of Philando Castile at the convention tonight. Rudy came close. He referenced the incident, but couldn't bring himself to say Castile's name. I find that cowardly. Republicans should get in front of the issue of police brutality before the convention is over, because it's an important topic to moderates on both sides. It will certainly be brought up at the Democratic convention next week.
A lot of things will be brought at the Democrates convention. I just hope you listen to all of it. The radicals will react especially when someone mentions God. It's pretty funny actually.
In my other neighborhood here in Brooklyn there was a neighbood hardware store then went up in a fire. The people in the neighborhood set up a show to raise money for the owners to rebuild. I saw the sign and went it more to see the show then to give money for the cause. It cost a hundred dollars a seat.
The master of ceremonies happen to be my friend Johnny Roastbeef. I did not even know he was going to be there. They paid him for the gig. Well as it turned out after everyone was paid off and I mean everyone. There was no money left for the owners to rebuild. But some how they did rebuild but three miles from their supporters.
Was it a scam for the organizers to raise money for themselves? Shit yes it was a scam.
No mention of Philando Castile at the convention tonight. Rudy came close. He referenced the incident, but couldn't bring himself to say Castile's name. I find that cowardly. Republicans should get in front of the issue of police brutality before the convention is over, because it's an important topic to moderates on both sides. It will certainly be brought up at the Democratic convention next week.
A lot of things will be brought at the Democrates convention. I just hope you listen to all of it. The radicals will react especially when someone mentions God. It's pretty funny actually.
Democrats will be discussing more important things than religion. That's this week.
Yes there will be discussing not fixing the immigration situation. They think illegal immigration is good. They think prisoners in prison should still vote. They think the dead should vote if they vote democrat. They love freedom of speach but only if you agree with them. They love killing cops well I agree with that one.
They hate Jews love muslems especially the ones that want us all dead. They want high taxes. They hate the constitution.
That is why they will lose. If they don't lose they want a race war. Even if they win they want a race wall.
I would carefully scrutinize D'Souza's sources. Dinesh D'Souza is a convicted felon. He also belongs to several right wing think tanks, and has written several books targeting Democrats and progressive politics exclusively. He's not an objective journalist. He has a blatantly biased agenda, and he's trying to take down Hillary Clinton.
And let's not forget that Bill Clinton is an impeached President who lied under oath and was forced to give up his law license and pay a fine. Plus Hillary Clinton would be a convicted felon if she was charged like anyone else was for what she did in committing gross negligence and lying before Congress. She also has a biased agenda, calling her critics a "vast Right-wing conspiracy" and in the first Democratic debate called Republicans her enemies. To emphasize that, Republicans are her fellow Americans, but she considers the governments of Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia her friends, and is on record supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, which Egypt and several other Middle Eastern countries consider a terrorist organization. So remember, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Thanks. WOW. Excellent article. Sending out to people as I type this. I'm ashamed to say that I didn't know the extent of the thievery. I read an article recently about the Red Cross and their mismanagement of money earmarked for Haiti and I have read a few pieces over the years about the Clintons robbing money that was donated to help Haitians but NOTHING as detailed as this.
Clintons are a special breed of crooks, even for politicians...and this story is essentially being swept under the rug by news media.
I expect a certain amount of skim from U.S.politicians, but things get done/built. In Haiti, politicians and businesses steal all of the money..and the projects never get done or are done half assed. The cholera epidemic of a few years ago was DIRECTLY caused by a Haitian company that was contracted to do sewage/waste disposal for U.N facility .yet failed to follow international rules about dumping waste near waterways. Haiti is currently embroiled in yet another mess about rigged election results,etc,etc, yada yada so it's a perfect place to steal money from because outsider can always point to the instability as an excuse about why this or that project didn't go as planned.
I've said on this forum that "foreign aid" is a great big sham when it comes to underdeveloped countries.The amount of aid is publicized in the news, pictures are taken,etc. Foreign aid and such are designed to be permanent institutions and jobs for people....not to ACTUALLY help anybody in these places...similar to how the modern welfare system works..crafted to sustain itself and guarantee that there is always a "need" for it.
After disasters, poor people were "stage props" for the cameras." Look at these poor people who NEED our help, send money now".I call these scumbags "poverty pimps"
I'm surprised at the extent that Clintons pilfered the money but not that they did it.They are master politicians and scoundrels of the highest(or lowest order).
I knew you would know far more about this than me. Always appreciate your knowledge and (compared to me) expertise on the subject.
I would carefully scrutinize D'Souza's sources. Dinesh D'Souza is a convicted felon. He also belongs to several right wing think tanks, and has written several books targeting Democrats and progressive politics exclusively. He's not an objective journalist. He has a blatantly biased agenda, and he's trying to take down Hillary Clinton.
You talk like she's as pure as the driven snow and doesn't deserve to be exposed for the corrupt fraud she is. But hey, she's a Leftie with a (D) after her name so she's got your vote.
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
No mention of Philando Castile at the convention tonight. Rudy came close. He referenced the incident, but couldn't bring himself to say Castile's name. I find that cowardly. Republicans should get in front of the issue of police brutality before the convention is over, because it's an important topic to moderates on both sides. It will certainly be brought up at the Democratic convention next week.
Of course! The Democrats never miss a chance to exploit racial issues for political gain and, unfortunately, too many minorities swallow their BS hook, line, and sinker. Hillary has already done it. Forget about her talking about the REAL problems in the black community - high rates of broken families and abortions, gangs and drugs, school dropouts, blacks being accountable for amount of crime WAY beyond their portion of the population, etc. - she has to pretend that police are the great danger to blacks so she can tell them they're victims and she and the Democrats are here to save them. The low information, gullible minority voter - that's Hillary's bread and butter.
I got an inside look at Donald Trump's speech for the Republican Convention. Here's an excerpt:
"My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
I knew there was something fishy when Melania gave her speech:
“Four score and a day that will live in infamy, our five fathers on the land and on the sea will never die, they will just fade away. Fear itself. Ask, “I’m out of order? I’m out of order? You are out of order!” Today, I am the luckiest man in the world. I saved Latin. What did you ever do?”
But I still can’t put my finger on exactly what speech that’s from. It may be Pol Pot.
Thanks again for the article. The name of the Haitian contractor is "Sanco Enterprises". U.N.'s lack of oversight is responsible for some of the terrible things that have happened in Haiti since they arrived, but not the cholera outbreak. The strain can be traced back to the UN worker from Nepal, but if Sanco followed health guidelines, not 1 person would have died of cholera.
Also, thanks to the article I now understand how Digicel became so popular in Haiti. No secret that it's a poor country, yet relatives tell me that EVERYBODY has a cell phone and I could never figure out how or why.
‘You should die’: Trump supporters threaten Utah delegate, she says, at Republican National Convention
Cleveland • A Utah woman says she was threatened by Donald Trump supporters after a floor fight over the rules at the Republican National Convention.
"They said: 'You should die. They should pull the protection from the Utah delegation. You should all die,' " at-large delegate Kera Birkeland said Monday night.
Birkeland said she went to the restroom after a group of delegates, including many from Utah, attempted to force a roll call vote to block the rules, part of an attempt to deny Trump the presidential nomination.
Two pro-Trump women, Birkeland said, told her the Utah delegation was horrible and stupid.
Birkeland said the women did not touch her, but she was emotionally shaken.
"I came out crying," she said.
Birkeland said she didn't report the comments to police.
The challenge to Trump's ascension brought a heated response from Trump supporters and competing chants and yelling between the two sides.
Utah Delegation Chairman Phil Wright offered the motion to try to overturn the rules.
He said later — when informed about what Birkeland said — that political disagreements should never escalate like that.
"Obviously, that's a horrible thing for anyone to say," Wright said. "That's a legal issue when someone is threatened."
Police officers have been posted at hotels with state delegations, including Utah's group, which is staying in Akron.
Bruce Hough, the Utah GOP's national committeeman and a sergeant-at-arms and officer of the convention, spoke with Birkeland and said that while he understands nothing physical occurred, "verbal abuse is not acceptable."
He said that if Birkeland can identify the women who threatened her, he would investigate.
Another Utah delegate, Stefani Stone Williams, received an intimidating email from Carl Paladino, the co-chairman of Trump's New York campaign, saying she should be "hung for treason" for being an activist working to give delegates the ability under the rules to vote for a candidate other than Trump.
"You should be hung [sic] for treason Stefani," Paladino wrote. "There will not be a Republican Party if you attempt to replace Trump. I'll be in your face in Cleveland."
Williams hadn't seen Paladino at the convention, but she wasn't deterred by the harsh tone of the email, she said Monday, and, if anything, it made her more committed to her anti-Trump efforts.
If there's anything positive that could come from this insanity, it's increasingly going to kill sympathy for the Black Lives Matter frauds and their liberal white overlords on the Left.
black lives matter started because of shooting of unarmed black men on camera by the police
if you weren't so hateful you wouldn't be so concerned with BLM
If there's anything positive that could come from this insanity, it's increasingly going to kill sympathy for the Black Lives Matter frauds and their liberal white overlords on the Left.
black lives matter started because of shooting of unarmed black men on camera by the police
if you weren't so hateful you wouldn't be so concerned with BLM
police getting killed has nothing to do with BLM
You're a walking, talking cliche, cook.
BLM cares more about a relative handful of officer-involved shootings, the majority of which end up being ruled justified and the thugs shot hardly a loss to society, than hundreds of black shootings of other blacks. One they can exploit politically, the other they cant. Or where's BLM and their outrage when it comes to the huge numbers of black babies aborted every year? Black lives matter? BLM apparently doesn't even believe that.
And spare me the old "you're hateful" card. Watch this short video of Sheriff Clark (a black guy) calling out BLM as the real hateful ones. The recent shootings of police officers has been inspired by BLM and their phony rhetoric and many at their stupid, "Hey, let's obstruct traffic" protests have celebrated it.
Thanks again for the article. The name of the Haitian contractor is "Sanco Enterprises". U.N.'s lack of oversight is responsible for some of the terrible things that have happened in Haiti since they arrived, but not the cholera outbreak. The strain can be traced back to the UN worker from Nepal, but if Sanco followed health guidelines, not 1 person would have died of cholera.
Also, thanks to the article I now understand how Digicel became so popular in Haiti. No secret that it's a poor country, yet relatives tell me that EVERYBODY has a cell phone and I could never figure out how or why.
Of course since the Clintons were involved it's a case of "nothing to see here."
george zimmerman's antics since his acquittal proves he murdered trayvon martin
At loon? How? The guy is calling out Lemon and the rest of the leftist media on their support of the BLM frauds, who in turn inspired the recent murders of police officers.
And whatever Zimmerman did afterwards doesn't have anything with what happened that night. They tried every which way to get Zimmerman but, a bone head though he may be, he didn't murder Treyvon. Treyvon attacked him and Zimmerman killed him in self-defense. I know that's hard for you to deal with but that's what happened.
george zimmerman's antics since his acquittal proves he murdered trayvon martin
At loon? How? The guy is calling out Lemon and the rest of the leftist media on their support of the BLM frauds, who in turn inspired the recent murders of police officers.
And whatever Zimmerman did afterwards doesn't have anything with what happened that night. They tried every which way to get Zimmerman but, a bone head though he may be, he didn't murder Treyvon. Treyvon attacked him and Zimmerman killed him in self-defense. I know that's hard for you to deal with but that's what happened.
the police murdering unarmed black men spawned the recent officers shootings
people like you have more to do with cops getting shot than BLM
interesting that u brought up the trayvon martin murder
after zimmerman was acquitted there's been an uptake in officers killing suspects
the police figured if neighborhood watch can kill and get way then why can't they
There is no uptake in officers killing suspects. There's only an uptake in officers getting filmed on cell phones and security cameras.
Zimmerman had absolutely nothing to do with any cases of cops shooting suspects. That's just something you made up. Every shooting is an individual and separate case. Some are justified and some aren't.
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that Texas' strict voter ID law violates the Voting Rights Act and ordered changes before the November election.
The ruling from the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals instructs a lower court to make changes that fix the "discriminatory effect" of the 2011 law, but to do so in a way that disrupts this year's election season as little as possible.
When a 23-year-old autistic man carrying a toy truck wandered from a mental health center out into the street Monday, a worker there named Charles Kinsey went to retrieve him.
A few minutes later the autistic man was still sitting cross-legged blocking the roadway while playing with the small, rectangular white toy. And Kinsey was prone on the ground next to him — a bullet from an assault rifle fired by a police officer having struck his leg.
“He throws his hands up in the air and says, ‘Don’t shoot me.’ They say lie on the ground, so he does,” Kinsey’s attorney Hilton Napoleon said Wednesday. “He’s on his back with his hands in the air trying to convince the other guy to lie down. It doesn’t make any sense.”
Cellphone video footage obtained by Napoleon clearly shows the heavy-set autistic man sitting and playing with his toy while Kinsey, dressed in a yellow shirt and shorts, obeys police orders to lie down on his back.
The video, taken before the officer fired his weapon, shows Kinsey on his back with his hands in the air telling police he didn’t have a weapon and asking them not to fire. At one point the autistic man appears to yell at Kinsey to shut up. A second brief video shows officers who are carrying rifles physically patting down Kinsey and the autistic man while they are lying on the ground.
In an interview with WSVN-Channel 7, Kinsey said that after he was shot, officers approached and flipped him over and handcuffed him.
“Sir, there’s no need for firearms,” Kinsey told the news station he said to police before he was shot. “It was so surprising. It was like a mosquito bite.”
Kinsey said when he asked the officer why he fired his weapon, the cop responded, “I don’t know.”
By Wednesday, North Miami police hadn’t offered much of an explanation. Assistant Police Chief Neal Cuevas said the investigation has been turned over to the Miami-Dade State Attorney’s Office.
Cuevas said officers received a 911 call indicating a man was in the street with a gun threatening to kill himself. They responded to Northeast 127th Street and about 14th Avenue and began barking orders. When the autistic man didn’t comply, an officer fired three times, striking Kinsey once in the leg. He was transported to Jackson Memorial Hospital.
Cuevas said he didn’t know who the officer was aiming at when he struck Kinsey. The offier’s name hasn’t been released.
In a prepared statement, North Miami police spokeswoman Natalie Buissereth said “arriving officers attempted to negotiate with the two men on the scene, one of whom was later identified as suffering from autism... At some point during the on-scene negotiation, one of the responding officers discharged his weapon.”
Police still hadn’t released any paperwork or the incident report of the shooting by Wednesday. There is no indication that a weapon of any kind was found. The officer who fired his weapon has been placed on administrative leave, as is standard, for at least a week.
Kinsey, 47, who’s worked at MacTown Panther Group Homes for a little over a year, wasn’t badly injured and is expected to be home by Thursday.
By Wednesday, Napoleon said he was already negotiating a possible settlement with the city of North Miami.
“They realize this was something inappropriate regarding the shooting,” he said. “If police departments come out more and admit fault, that would probably go a long way,” toward improving relations with the public, he said.
Still, the incident highlights the inherent dangers faced by police and the public in the wake of deadly police shootings in Dallas and Baton Rouge in which gunmen killed eight officers and wounded 10 others.
In dealing with the mentally ill, experts say, those dangers only multiply.
“I was more worried about him than myself,” Kinsey told Channel 7 of the autistic man, whose name hasn’t been released.
Said his wife Joyce Kinsey: “I’m just grateful he’s alive and able to tell his story.”
And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me were, ‘I don’t know.’”
Well, he couldn’t say “I don’t know, but it’s probably because you’re black.”
It's clear from the video that the police had plenty of time to assess what was going on and not train their guns on them, but they didn't go that route. Why?
At the very least the officer is going to get fired for being a moron. Thank God that Charles Kinsey was only shot in the leg and the autistic man was left unharmed. I expect Kinsey to get a nice payday.
Roger Ailes, the television impresario who built Fox News into a financial and ratings juggernaut, will leave the network he spent 20 years building under a cloud of sexual harassment accusations.
The announcement that Ailes is resigning came Thursday (July 21) from 21st Century Fox, the network’s corporate parent, after weeks of uncertainly about Ailes future at the company. The announcement said he’ll step down immediately, with Rupert Murdoch assuming the role of chairman and acting CEO of Fox News Channel and Fox Business Network.
Roger Ailes, the television impresario who built Fox News into a financial and ratings juggernaut, will leave the network he spent 20 years building under a cloud of sexual harassment accusations.
The announcement that Ailes is resigning came Thursday (July 21) from 21st Century Fox, the network’s corporate parent, after weeks of uncertainly about Ailes future at the company. The announcement said he’ll step down immediately, with Rupert Murdoch assuming the role of chairman and acting CEO of Fox News Channel and Fox Business Network.
When will Europe get rid of their idiotic fascination with guns and gun rights? How many more people have to die before they start blaming the actual guns?
When will Europe get rid of their idiotic fascination with guns and gun rights? How many more people have to die before they start blaming the actual guns?
When will Europe get rid of their idiotic fascination with guns and gun rights? How many more people have to die before they start blaming the actual guns?
A 84-year-old Westmoreland County woman is facing felony homicide charges after she suffered a diabetic emergency behind the wheel in May 2015, during which she caused a three-vehicle crash and killed a man in the Country Side Plaza parking lot in East Huntingdon.
According to a criminal complaint, Dolores June Heard of Baden ignored her diabetic symptoms and continued to drive despite knowing the risks. She told police she had no memory of the crash on May 18, 2015, only remembering construction cones near the intersection at SR 819 and SR 119 while driving northbound toward Mount Pleasant.
Prior to the crash, Ms. Heard was certain she was suffering a diabetic emergency, according to the complaint. She felt sluggish inside the Scottdale Savings and Trust in Scottdale, Westmoreland County. She told police that she ate two 15-gram gel packets of glucose to raise her blood sugar and was assisted to her vehicle. She waited around 10-15 minutes before driving off.
I have type two diabetics my self. You have to eat when you take your pills. Plus you have to take your pills especially in the morning. You have to eat anytime you take your pills.
I do that I have no problems. Don't do it you can get the shakes.
I knew I should not drive much any more so I don't. I take cars to most places.
Hey get this Tom Jones is appearing at the Beacon theather on September 21 at 8 pm be there or be square.
The Dallas Police department has seen a spike in applications following the July 7 mass shooting that resulted in the deaths of five officers.
The department reports that it received 467 applications during the 12 days following the shooting, representing a 344 percent increase from the 136 reported during a similar period in June.
The alleged shooter during the July 7 attack on the officers at a Black Lives Matter protest was a man who had been upset by the recent shootings of Philando Castile in Falcon Heights, Minn., and Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, La. Following the shooting, Dallas Police Chief David Brown called on protestors to join the force to improve it from the inside, as CNN reported.
Just what is your implication? Do you think the new applicants are going to infiltrate the department and turn it into some kind of guerrilla leftist army? Do you honestly think something like that would happen? Is this really what you're thinking?
She is knocking it out of the park with this speech.
That's an understatement. And Cory Booker, too!
Missed Booker's speech. Started watching just as Michelle took the stage. Perfect timing. I see in the headlines that Booker said, "Love trumps Hate". Well played, senator.
Listened to michelle obamas speech on the way home today. Thought the overall message was terrible. Not the delivery but the message. She kept bringing up children I guess to tug at your heart strings. But the disturbing thing is she seems to have this obsession or idea that the president is raising your children and shaping their lives like a parent. It's a real insight as to how these state worshippers think. The State raises your children, the president is at the center, the president is like a divine leader and we need to give them the power to do all their good. She did use the word power from what I remember and she's correct. Progressivism is creepy.
What's the matter, her platform doesn't resemble that of David Duke's enough for your tastes? Would you have liked it better if she called for the separation of the races?
Perhaps this was the speech you were hoping for:
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I think the US should break apart into many different smaller independent countries. Let the white nationalist have their own, black nationalist have their own, white Leftiest have their own section, Christian Right wing have theirs etc etc. instead of this stupid multicultural political circus every four years where all these groups fight to put their politician in power to run everyone's life and force their will on their political enemies through state coercion.
Heart warming. What a way to lead the country into the 21st century.
Michelle Obama doesn't care one iota what you or someone of your ideology thinks of her speech, and as far as I'm concerned, that's one of the things that made it great.
What's the matter, her platform doesn't resemble that of David Duke's enough for your tastes? Would you have liked it better if she called for the separation of the races?
Perhaps this was the speech you were hoping for:
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I think the US should break apart into many different smaller independent countries. Let the white nationalist have their own, black nationalist have their own, white Leftiest have their own section, Christian Right wing have theirs etc etc. instead of this stupid multicultural political circus every four years where all these groups fight to put their politician in power to run everyone's life and force their will on their political enemies through state coercion.
Heart warming. What a way to lead the country into the 21st century.
Michelle Obama doesn't care one iota what you or someone of your ideology thinks of her speech, and as far as I'm concerned, that's one of the things that made it great.
I'm not apart of an ancient statist religion. Her speech had no substance. She had cheap talking points about children and how we need to put Hillary in power.
Yeah I'd like to see the US break apart. It's the humane way live. You want a Great Leader that rules over us all through the use of violence. You want to force your will on other people through the political process. I don't. Your ideas are old and ancient. Freedom and the right of voluntary association equals peace. I don't follow David duke, but I'm tolerant of others that don't bother me. He's not bothering me, he's not a threat to me. The political class is.
She is knocking it out of the park with this speech.
That's an understatement. And Cory Booker, too!
Missed Booker's speech. Started watching just as Michelle took the stage. Perfect timing. I see in the headlines that Booker said, "Love trumps Hate". Well played, senator.
On Booker he invested his cities money with one of the Roomneys investment funds. They made a tremendous amount of money. He was going to mention it. But the DNC told him not to give credit for it to Romney. Like a good stooge he did not give Romney credit for it.
I liked Mrs. Obama speech when she said after her husband was elected for the first time as president. That it was the first time in her whole life that she was proud to be an American.
Just imagine what a good president Mrs Reagan would have made if they let her run for President.
It's really not surprising that someone who believes in racial separatism doesn't approve of a Michelle Obama speech.
I don't "believe in" racial separation, I'm tolerant of it. There's a difference.
I believe in legalizing weed. I don't use it.
I believe in legalizing herion and all drugs, but I don't use any. I'm tolerant of other people that chose to. Meaning I don't believe I have some kind of right to tell other people or worse, force people through political violence to do and not do what I want. I believe legalizing but I don't "believe in" them as if they are good or bad.
So if some people want to have their own country based on race, religion, sports, whatever the fuck, I'm not going to use politics (violence) to stop them.
I liked Mrs. Obama speech when she said after her husband was elected for the first time as president. That it was the first time in her whole life that she was proud to be an American.
Just imagine what a good president Mrs Reagan would have made if they let her run for President.
Nancy Reagan never gave a speech as good as the speech Michelle Obama gave tonight in her life. Not even close.
I don't "believe in" racial separation, I'm tolerant of it. There's a difference.
No, there isn't.
But I do await your comical attempt to explain one.
I already did. Very clearly. There was absolutely nothing comical about it. But if you think so then explain in detail why you think there isn't a difference.
Yeah, sure bud. Anyone who commends someone like David Duke and his sick ideology as much as you have is either a troll or someone not even worth arguing with.
I've noticed that most of your comments are edited. Trying to salvage credibility while trolling probably isn't easy. All the best.
Yeah, sure bud. Anyone who commends someone like David Duke and his sick ideology as much as you have is either a troll or someone not even worth arguing with.
I've noticed that most of your comments are edited. Trying to salvage credibility while trolling probably isn't easy. All the best.
I make actual arguments, and yes I edit because I do make mistakes and tend to type too quick. But atleast I make arguments.
You respond with nothingness attacks. Snarky and dismissive BS. You did not at all engage my actual arguments, instead you're now trying to run away by saying "I'm Not worth arguing with." Yet call ME a troll?
Just how would one engage your separatist rant without going down a dark rabbit hole of stormfront.com style racism? I don't need to address your argument. I'm just going to point out that you're an admitted racial separatist, which ruins your credibility when criticizing a black person's speech. There's nothing they could say that you would approve of, other than criticizing black people.
Just how would one engage your separatist rant without going down a dark rabbit hole of stormfront.com style racism? I don't need to address your argument. I'm just going to point out that you're an admitted racial separatist, which ruins your credibility when criticizing a black person's speech. There's nothing they could say that you would approve of, other than criticizing black people.
You're hilarious. You think you have me and my entire "ideology" all figured out. Yet you never engaged in actual argument or honest debate.
And now my criticism of her speech is because she's black? Lol!
Guess what, I have very similar criticisms of Trumps last big speech. Is that because he's white?? Is everything about race to you?
And I know your not reading this far into my post because you don't like substance or logical reasoning but for anyone else that might read this, for the record, I'm not racial separatist AT ALL, I just simply think that people that want to separate by race should be allowed to. I'm a libertarian so my preference would be a completely open free society for everyone that values freedom and peace above all else. But I realize not everyone wants what I want and I do not wish to force my ways on others like you.
Yeah, sure bud. Anyone who commends someone like David Duke and his sick ideology as much as you have is either a troll or someone not even worth arguing with.
I've noticed that most of your comments are edited. Trying to salvage credibility while trolling probably isn't easy. All the best.
I notice you said it is not even worth commenting on. Yet you always comment on everything like a kid has to get the last word on everything. Which is the sign of an idiot.
Yes, your criticism of her speech is because she's black.
You admire David Duke.
You had this to say when confronted about it:
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I think the US should break apart into many different smaller independent countries. Let the white nationalist have their own, black nationalist have their own, white Leftiest have their own section, Christian Right wing have theirs etc etc. instead of this stupid multicultural political circus every four years where all these groups fight to put their politician in power to run everyone's life and force their will on their political enemies through state coercion.
Oh, then you come with a real surprise whopper tonight. You didn't like Michelle Obama's speech. No kidding. Anyone who's read your comments already knows why you didn't like her speech, so spare us.
Yes, your criticism of her speech is because she's black.
You admire David Duke.
You had this to say when confronted about it:
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I think the US should break apart into many different smaller independent countries. Let the white nationalist have their own, black nationalist have their own, white Leftiest have their own section, Christian Right wing have theirs etc etc. instead of this stupid multicultural political circus every four years where all these groups fight to put their politician in power to run everyone's life and force their will on their political enemies through state coercion.
Oh, then you come with a real surprise whopper tonight. You didn't like Michelle Obama's speech. No kidding. Anyone who's read your comments already knows why you didn't like her speech, so spare us.
You are an intellectual coward. Ran away from every single point I made.
You only have one point, and I already know what it is. I'm sure you'd love to walk me through your personal hell and expand on your already fucked up beliefs, and that rant of yours about separatism is fucked up. It's the exact kind of thing a KKK member would say. I have no intention of debating you or arguing with you. I have no intention of having any sort of discussion at all with you. I'm only here to point out your lack of credibility when criticizing a black first lady's speech, because I know the reason you don't like her. You believe she, her husband, and people that look like them should start their own country, and not be the leaders of yours, because they're black. You expressed as much in your separatist rant.
Since you want to talk color I will bet you green money you hardly ever associate with black people socially in your short life.
Are you a separatist too?
Do you agree with this?
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I think the US should break apart into many different smaller independent countries. Let the white nationalist have their own, black nationalist have their own, white Leftiest have their own section, Christian Right wing have theirs etc etc. instead of this stupid multicultural political circus every four years where all these groups fight to put their politician in power to run everyone's life and force their will on their political enemies through state coercion.
I think the US should break apart into many different smaller independent countries. Let the white nationalist have their own, black nationalist have their own, white Leftiest have their own section, Christian Right wing have theirs etc etc. instead of this stupid multicultural political circus every four years where all these groups fight to put their politician in power to run everyone's life and force their will on their political enemies through state coercion.
Because of this, I know what you really don't like about Michelle Obama.
I think I know why you like the "So Cal Gangs" now. The sooner they kill each other, the better, right?
I think the US should break apart into many different smaller independent countries. Let the white nationalist have their own, black nationalist have their own, white Leftiest have their own section, Christian Right wing have theirs etc etc. instead of this stupid multicultural political circus every four years where all these groups fight to put their politician in power to run everyone's life and force their will on their political enemies through state coercion.
Because of this, I know what you really don't like about Michelle Obama.
I think I know why you like the "So Cal Gangs" now. The sooner they kill each other, the better, right?
I'll just keep pointing out how you'll say any crazy thing to avoid my actual points or arguments. Notice how you made this about me and not about the arguments put forth.
Just look at what you're doing here.
Oh yeah, simply wanting decentalizion of powers and allowing people to create their own smaller countries is "racist", ok...
Even if I myself don't want to live in a country based on racial separatism, I'm stil racist even suggesting other people should be allowed to? Lol.
An admitted racist criticizing a black first lady's speech is quite rich. That's the topic. That's all I'm willing to discuss with you. The irony of you daring to criticize Michelle Obama's speech just a couple of days after leaving a blatant separatist rant.
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I think the US should break apart into many different smaller independent countries. Let the white nationalist have their own, black nationalist have their own, white Leftiest have their own section, Christian Right wing have theirs etc etc. instead of this stupid multicultural political circus every four years where all these groups fight to put their politician in power to run everyone's life and force their will on their political enemies through state coercion.
An admitted racist criticizing a black first lady's speech is quite rich. That's the topic. That's all I'm willing to discuss with you. The irony of you daring to criticize Michelle Obama's speech just a couple of days after leaving a blatant separatist rant.
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I think the US should break apart into many different smaller independent countries. Let the white nationalist have their own, black nationalist have their own, white Leftiest have their own section, Christian Right wing have theirs etc etc. instead of this stupid multicultural political circus every four years where all these groups fight to put their politician in power to run everyone's life and force their will on their political enemies through state coercion.
You want to live in the same country under the same government as the KKK. I guess, under your logic, you're more racist than me since you insist on living within the same country as them and me, being racist, wants to live in a different country than the KKK and the white separatists, is less racist than you. I'm racist for wanting to separate from people like that so you must be super racist.
You keep trying explain away your obvious separatist rant, and keep trying to convince me there's actually another reason you didn't like Michelle Obama's speech. You didn't like it because you'd prefer blacks started their own country.
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I think the US should break apart into many different smaller independent countries. Let the white nationalist have their own, black nationalist have their own, white Leftiest have their own section, Christian Right wing have theirs etc etc. instead of this stupid multicultural political circus every four years where all these groups fight to put their politician in power to run everyone's life and force their will on their political enemies through state coercion.
"I'm explaining away" yeah it's called talking like a civilized person and telling you where I stand and why. You, on the other hand, have put words into my mouth and think you can read my mind. A sign of a crazy person.
I prefer black nationalists create their own country if they choose to. Notice you said "blacks" as if I want ALL blacks to start their own country. You're a real piece of work.
Everyone is a separatist in regards to certain things whether you believe it or not is your affair.
Go to an hotel there are a lot of gays working in hotels. Why when they get into a position to hire they hire gays.
is your neighborhood multicultural it used to be years ago in poor neighborhoods.
I bet you your is not unless your poor. That is why you don't know many blacks.
Do Jews live with Jews mostly.
Now when minorities move in the people already their move out its called block busting.
In my old neighborhood was mostly Italian. You know what I remember about the Puerto Ricans who moved in. They would drink beer, piss and throw up in our hallways.
That is why today I can't drink a beer. I still have that smell of the beer, throw up and piss smell in my head. I go to Germany they always offer me beers. I tell them no they keep asking to finally I tell them why I can't drink beer.
Yes how dare anyone have a different opinion than a black progressive women, what a racist misogynistic pig.
The idea of limiting federal government and giving power to the people and giving them the ability to live in areas that are more in line with an ideology or a lifestyle they agree woth isn't exactly racist
Didn't watch either the RNC or DNC just to say Idk what was said by either side
In Japan a kid cut the throats of over 40"disabled people. 19 are dead the rest will probably go as well. Mrs.Obama is thinking we can save my husbands medical plan if we can do that..
Good idea Mrs Obama finally proud to be an American.
I liked Mrs. Obama speech when she said after her husband was elected for the first time as president. That it was the first time in her whole life that she was proud to be an American.
Just imagine what a good president Mrs Reagan would have made if they let her run for President.
Michelle Obama is one of the few first ladies that has had something to actually say. She's probably the most educated as well
Michelle Obama is one of the few first ladies that has had something to actually say. She's probably the most educated as well
Just goes to show higher educated doesn't automatically equate to wisdom and good sense, as both her and her husband are two of the most misguided souls on this planet.
Priest killed in France in his church and nuns taken hostage one who is now in a critical condition. Isis have claimed responsibility
What is going on in France and Germany at the moment is really sad two days ago afgahn refugee blew himself up in Germany injured 12 people Isis also did that.
EU is fuckin useless as well there needs to be greater security it's ridiclous the fear in Europe is in these politicians are useless then people wonder why all the French people were booing the president at the nice funeral and will be surprised when LePen wins the election and leaves the EU. Next to leave i think will be France then Holland, Italy next and Spain after. I have always been a eurosceptic I agree with the single market the EU has and I agree freedom of movement is necessary for that to work but it has to be limited Britain took in over 300k migrants from EU now I have no problem with immigration intact I am a big fan of it without immigration you can't have a strong economy and I understand why people migrate they want the better life no one can blame them but there has to be a limit and everyone was shocked when Britain left I was not even surprised I thought it would happen
and the amount of refugees Germany and Sweden have take is unfair and ridiculous
Terrible news about the clergy being targeted in France.
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These conventions are like watching old school WWF events. First a great speech by Cory Booker, who is probably running for pres. in 2020 or 2024, and right after they have a person who lost money paying for Trump University????
Who set up the schedule of speakers???
I know that Booker is a tough act to follow but really???
Who gets which region of the current US? How do we decide?
Good question.
I don't know, and I don't think it's going to happen, atleast not exactly like that. But when you allow freedom of movement people do tend to self segregate to an extent. Not just racially.
Although some day in the future I can see the US breaking into smaller parts. There's nothing sacred about 50 states all being"one." My point is that people should be allowed to live with and how they want to so Aslong as they aren't hurting others. And I'm not talking about purely racial separation but more so ideological and cultural. It also doesn't mean that you can't get along with other people from different cultures, there's just no need to be connected politically under the same State. More decentralization would take power from the elites, and allow us to experiment with what works best. Instead of this one size fits all ideology that people have these days. If a white guy doesn't want to live around me and my family then that's alright with me, I'm not going to force him to. That's all.
I agree with some of what you're writing.Forgive me for just pinpointing one line....but the history and laws of this country haven't been about restricting the freedom or movement of the majority group, but of ethnic,racial and religious minorities.
Had this discussion with somebody recently.Majority group has always been able to travel, live, attend school, socialize, study, worship wherever and however they've wanted.
Unless I missed something, Duke is still the same person he was before and is just repackaging his views. He just changed the label on the box.
I agree with some of what you're writing.Forgive me for just pinpointing one line....but the history and laws of this country haven't been about restricting the freedom or movement of the majority group, but of ethnic,racial and religious minorities.
Had this discussion with somebody recently.Majority group has always been able to travel, live, attend school, socialize, study, worship wherever and however they've wanted.
Unless I missed something, Duke is still the same person he was before and is just repackaging his views. He just changed the label on the box.
Majority group has more power in a more centralized political system. Minority groups should be in favor of more decentralized powers instead of centralized power. Centralized power feels nice when your trible gets the power but what about when someone else's takes the power? It's win lose instead of win-win. I don't think I ever claimed that the majority groups have been restricted. Either way that's why I don't like democracy. Because it gives the majority too much power. Might doesn't make right. But if you have democracy, fine, atleast have it on a small population scale, like a Sweden or Norway type country. Much easier to manage.
As for as David duke, I don't follow the guy, and the only reason I know about him at all is because I keep hearing people bring up as a reason to not vote for Donald trump. I'm not voting for trump, but I think using a boogie man guy to scare people away from voting for him is silly. Because of one person posting here, I did a quick Google search and found out some of Dukes political positions. Turns out, I agree with him on some important issues, like on the federal reserve, the IRS and the wars. The other stuff not so much, but those three issues I mentioned are so important that IMO that makes him better than Trump and Hillary. I still don't endorse the guy, I don't read his stuff, and don't care to hear what he's got to say. Just because someone is bad on some issues doesn't logically follow that they're bad on everything. The real thing I was trying to get across was the whole boogie man thing isn't going to work on anyone that knows how to actually think for themselves.
Apparently they videotaped the guy getting beheaded fucking scumbags. I think this is the final straw for France 9 terrorist attacks in two years enough is enough drastic action has to be taken
But of course for France to make any drastic changes the lunatics running the EU and Merkel and Belgium also have to be ready for big changes. I can't see anything happening EU does fuck all most of the time nothing ever gets done.
Italy i feel sorry for but they are needed if this problem is going to stop a lot of weapons passports are being smuggled in through Italy into the rest of Europe the paris attacks for example all had passports they got in Napels but Italy unfortunately has real problems a failing economy mass unemployment major corruption and the Mafia plus the refugee crisis they are already overwhelmed.
A lot of these guys are getting guns from the Eastern Europe that's the problem these guys drive into the west and sell guns to gangs very cheap to get a gun in the East since the Soviet Union fell and the borders opened up a lot of gun smuggling big profits to be made but there is a major problem out there which needs to be sorted most of the guns in UK France Germany Spain etc all come from the east very easy for a terrorist to get there hands on a gun
Amercia and NATO and the EU are making tensions rise in Europe. Russia started all of this mess by taking Crimera it was wrong everyone knew it even Russia but it's happened now we move on 90% of the people there are Russian not like the people want to go back to Ukraine. But the deployment of the tucking missile in Poland America put in and the NATO troops marching around is ridiclous why are they here? What do these people think world war three is going to start it's causing tensions to rise whole thing is ridiclous its like some think we are still in the Cold War.
This whole thing is about Amercia and Russia fighting over Syria its all about who has the most power it is petty stuff but U.S. Controls Europe so while we have millions of refugees coming into Europe major terrorism problem failing economy. Instead of giving money to Libyia to stop the refugee flow we are spending it having troops and missile defence system on Russia's border fucking useless. US should be helping us with the refugee crisis as well funding to Libyia US should pay for it they caused all of this mess invading Iraq and getting rid of Gaddafi and destabilising Syria why should we be dealing with there mess. NATO is useless get rid of it more funding to deal with terrorism and the refugee crisis.
A working relationship with Russia is needed US and Russa need to stop this petty shit and start working together Europe being the puppets will follow but it won't happen Obama got played by Putin again and again Iiked Obama nice guy for a politician but he was made too look like a fool and his replacement Hilary has history for destabilising countries she is trouble very bad person does not have morals either she is the cause for a lot of problems or Trump who is a fucking nut job no idea about the real world who is going to get played when dealing with world powers. I have no faith in Amercia makings better anytime soon how can a country of your size and power be having national debates arguing over which toilets people can go in or planning to deport every mexian from the US I read the news coming out of US about trump and Clinton and I just think what the fuck is going on in U.S. it's why you guys have this reputation most people say to me when they hear about trump or Hillary only in Amercia and just laugh I find it depressing really what's going on with your country politically. Why do you guys never debate your economy? Apart from fighting terriosm that should be any country's priority
I get your point about how Duke was used to paint Trump. Duke made the public endorsement for a reason though. I don't know enough about him to quite compare Duke to Hitler, BUT...Hitler's message wasn't accepted by the German people at first.....years later when the political and social climate was different, people were more receptive to what he was saying. Duke might see Trump's ascension as a sign that people are more willing to accept what he (Duke) is saying.
France's intgellgiance service is shit the guy who killed the priest tried to get to Syria twice people like that need to be either locked up and sent to deradicalising school. That's the way to do it they do that in Norway I think Scandinavian country's always get my respect they do things right low crime very little unemployment people are the happiest in the world world should take notice of how they operate
I get your point about how Duke was used to paint Trump. Duke made the public endorsement for a reason though. I don't know enough about him to quite compare Duke to Hitler, BUT...Hitler's message wasn't accepted by the German people at first.....years later when the political and social climate was different, people were more receptive to what he was saying. Duke might see Trump's ascension as a sign that people are more willing to accept what he (Duke) is saying.
Fair enough point.
I honestly didn't dig deeply into Duke's whole ideology and world view, all I know is what I read whatever stuff came up on quick google search. Some stuff I agreed with, some stuff talked about him being anti Semitic, which I definitely am not. I read he's a white nationalist, and that's the main reason I ever even mentioned white nationalists at all in my post about allowing the state's break apart. I care if he's advocating violence against others, if he's threatening to other people through the use of force. If not, he's not a threat to me.
Michelle Obama is one of the few first ladies that has had something to actually say. She's probably the most educated as well
Just goes to show higher educated doesn't automatically equate to wisdom and good sense, as both her and her husband are two of the most misguided souls on this planet.
so what other first lady had a platform that is as profound as hers?
trump has a mail-order-bride for a wife and wants to be president because he's bored
I'm a pretty much a libertarian purist, I'd prefer as little to no government as humanly possible.
I don't like to assume, so I'll ask- are you voting Gary Johnson?
Btw- there was an excellent piece in Reason ( likely the most preeminent Libertarian political publication in the US) last week regarding Trump's speech:
Donald Trump’s RNC Speech Was a Terrifying Display of Nightmarish Authoritarianism
The GOP presidential nominee had only one solution to every problem: Give him more power.
Michelle Obama is one of the few first ladies that has had something to actually say. She's probably the most educated as well
Just goes to show higher educated doesn't automatically equate to wisdom and good sense, as both her and her husband are two of the most misguided souls on this planet.
so what other first lady had a platform that is as profound as hers? trump has a mail-order-bride for a wife and wants to be president because he's bored
You wish you had a wife like our future President Trump. It's still all about the economy it's about jobs.
I used to have a subscription to Reason but the number of articles they seem to have about marijuana got a little old so I decided to end it, if I wanted have a subscription to High Times I would. The Freeman from https://fee.org/articles/ was a good read but a little expensive
I'm a pretty much a libertarian purist, I'd prefer as little to no government as humanly possible.
I don't like to assume, so I'll ask- are you voting Gary Johnson?
Btw- there was an excellent piece in Reason ( likely the most preeminent Libertarian political publication in the US) last week regarding Trump's speech:
Donald Trump’s RNC Speech Was a Terrifying Display of Nightmarish Authoritarianism
The GOP presidential nominee had only one solution to every problem: Give him more power.
Haven't read it but I'll take a look. From the title, I'm sure I'll agree with most of it.
I have a lot of problems with Trump. Part of me likes him simply because he's pushed back against all the crazy political correctness. Has the entire establishment against him and still became the republican nominee. But as far as his positions policy wise, not much i can get excited about. It's campaign is too much about him and what a great leader he's going to be, his ability to make deals as a negotiator. There's no underlying philosophical principles that he's trying to uphold. I don't get impressed with personalities as much as ideas.
I'm not that impressed with Gary Johnson either. He seems like a nice guy that means well, but he doesn't seem to have enough passion and conviction in his defense of libertarian ideas. He doesn't come off well read on libertarian ideas, ethics, philosophy, economics. I guess not everybody can be like Ron Paul.
Haven't read it but I'll take a look. From the title, I'm sure I'll agree with most of it.
I have a lot of problems with Trump. Part of me likes him simply because he's pushed back against all the crazy political correctness. Has the entire establishment against him and still became the republican nominee. But as far as his positions policy wise, not much i can get excited about. It's campaign is too much about him and what a great leader he's going to be, his ability to make deals as a negotiator. There's no underlying philosophical principles that he's trying to uphold. I don't get impressed with personalities as much as ideas.
I'm not that impressed with Gary Johnson either. He seems like a nice guy that means well, but he doesn't seem to have enough passion and conviction in his defense of libertarian ideas. He doesn't come off well read on libertarian ideas, ethics, philosophy, economics. I guess not everybody can be like Ron Paul.
Well of course not. Libertarianism is an individualist thing. There are a wide variety of views. Paul is different than George Phillies, who is different than Hillel Steiner, who is different than Steve Kubby.
And of course there are Right Libertarians, Left Libertarians, Classical Liberals, Objectivists, Anarchists, Minarchists, etc.
It's kind of what happens when your underlying philosophy is autonomy and freedom of choice. You don't hold to systematic ideologies, and you get divergent political thoughts.
Haven't read it but I'll take a look. From the title, I'm sure I'll agree with most of it.
I have a lot of problems with Trump. Part of me likes him simply because he's pushed back against all the crazy political correctness. Has the entire establishment against him and still became the republican nominee. But as far as his positions policy wise, not much i can get excited about. It's campaign is too much about him and what a great leader he's going to be, his ability to make deals as a negotiator. There's no underlying philosophical principles that he's trying to uphold. I don't get impressed with personalities as much as ideas.
I'm not that impressed with Gary Johnson either. He seems like a nice guy that means well, but he doesn't seem to have enough passion and conviction in his defense of libertarian ideas. He doesn't come off well read on libertarian ideas, ethics, philosophy, economics. I guess not everybody can be like Ron Paul.
Well of course not. Libertarianism is an individualist thing. There are a wide variety of views. Paul is different than George Phillies, who is different than Hillel Steiner, who is different than Steve Kubby.
And of course there are Right Libertarians, Left Libertarians, Classical Liberals, Objectivists, Anarchists, Minarchists, etc.
It's kind of what happens when your underlying philosophy is autonomy and freedom of choice. You don't hold to systematic ideologies, and you get divergent political thoughts.
I understand that, what I meant though is that Ron Paul was extremely well read on history, economics, philosophy and political thought. You can ask him anything about foreign policy or economics and he had a well thought out and well researched answer. Even when you don't agree with him you can atleast appreciate that. I heard Gary Johnson on the Joe Rogan podcast, and like I said, sounds like a very nice guy but there's a lot of missed opportunities where he could've really educated people about libertarianism, and he didn't.
Another Obama knocks it out of the park. What a great speech by the president. Almost as good as Michelle's the other night.
"When they go low, we go high" - M.O.
The blueprint to dealing with the hatred out of Trump and his supporters.
Like his equally delusional wife, Obama gets up there and tries to convince us that one of the most slimy and corrupt people on this planet should be the next president.
Oh, and there's that liberal buzzword again - "hatred." Anyone who disagrees with liberals and calls them on their BS must be a hateful, racist, sexist, homophobic, war mongerer who moonlights as a grand wizard of the KKK.
You know what's funny I have been drinking water out of the sink my whole life. Now I do have the filter, but for myself I just drink sink water. I doubt if I will ever die.
Another Obama knocks it out of the park. What a great speech by the president. Almost as good as Michelle's the other night.
"When they go low, we go high" - M.O.
The blueprint to dealing with the hatred out of Trump and his supporters.
Like his equally delusional wife, Obama gets up there and tries to convince us that one of the most slimy and corrupt people on this planet should be the next president.
Oh, and there's that liberal buzzword again - "hatred." Anyone who disagrees with liberals and calls them on their BS must be a hateful, racist, sexist, homophobic, war mongerer who moonlights as a grand wizard of the KKK.
Another Obama knocks it out of the park. What a great speech by the president. Almost as good as Michelle's the other night.
"When they go low, we go high" - M.O.
The blueprint to dealing with the hatred out of Trump and his supporters.
Like his equally delusional wife, Obama gets up there and tries to convince us that one of the most slimy and corrupt people on this planet should be the next president.
Oh, and there's that liberal buzzword again - "hatred." Anyone who disagrees with liberals and calls them on their BS must be a hateful, racist, sexist, homophobic, war mongerer who moonlights as a grand wizard of the KKK.
Keep hating. When you go low, we go high.
You call voting for what is one of the worst, most corrupt candidates in history "going high?"
All you're doing is parroting Obama's BS. Hillary the "most qualified" candidate in history to be president? Again, who does this bum think he's kidding? Several presidents, from Jefferson to Bush Sr, were more qualified than her.
But I suppose the hordes of naive, delusional fools like yourself is what he's counting on when he spews that crap.
4 exectued in Indonesia for drug trafficking 10 others will be executed very soon all foreigners. Killed 14 last year for dealing drugs aswell. They have one of the strictest laws on drugs in the world. I can understand why locals deal drugs extreme risks but for some its only the way to get out of poverty but the foreigners are fucking idiots why deal in a country which shoots you if they catch you dealing i have sympathy for there familys but not much for these guys why deal drugs there and then act shocked when they find out they are going to get executed they should know the laws of the country they are in and what they getting into
4 exectued in Indonesia for drug trafficking 10 others will be executed very soon all foreigners. Killed 14 last year for dealing drugs aswell. They have one of the strictest laws on drugs in the world. I can understand why locals deal drugs extreme risks but for some its only the way to get out of poverty but the foreigners are fucking idiots why deal in a country which shoots you if they catch you dealing i have sympathy for there familys but not much for these guys why deal drugs there and then act shocked when they find out they are going to get executed they should know the laws of the country they are in and what they getting into
That's exactly how the US should be dealing with drug traffickers.
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Since when does the judge find people guilty
12 man/woman jury of our peers
U probably hate woman bosses huh?
I would ask if you've ever heard of a bench trial, cook, but apparently what you haven't heard of could fill a warehouse.
Woman bosses? What's that have to do with anything?
execution for drug trafficking really very extreme
I don't know why you'd say that considering how much damage drugs do to society. People whine about the war on drugs being a failure but aren't willing to do what it would take to stop it.
how do you determine who gets executed for drugs? does a street corner dealer who is basicily a kid moving some drugs deserve to die? weed dealers do they deserve it? you cant execute everyone people will always be willing to take the risk if they are broke
The war on drugs is complete failure for many reasons especially in the US it has to be won in individual communities law enforcement throwing kids in prison for being street corner dealers is not the right answer creates a us vs them attitude it needs to be stopped at the source. These kids being arrested instead of throwing them into prison they should try and teach them a new skill try and get them a job and of the streets poverty is the main reason for someone to start dealing. Your countrys system is wrong aswell too many prisoners its ridiclous and the people inside prison need to be learning skills for when they get out if your a kid who has been dealing get out of prison what can you do cant get a job only option is too keep dealing. We should be trying to find a job for these guys when they get out they should have a job waiting for them then they will know what it is like to earn money legit and will be of the streets
the guy who made the wire made a documentary on the war on drugs recently its on netflix very interesting you see how it is a complete failure for the police for the people dealing for the local community no one wins
US has 5 % of the worlds population but 20% of the worlds prison population there is something seriously wrong with that
execution for drug trafficking really very extreme
I don't know why you'd say that considering how much damage drugs do to society. People whine about the war on drugs being a failure but aren't willing to do what it would take to stop it.
Are you talking about major drugs like heroin, coke, and meth? Would you support execution for minor drugs like pot?
how do you determine who gets executed for drugs? does a street corner dealer who is basicily a kid moving some drugs deserve to die? weed dealers do they deserve it? you cant execute everyone people will always be willing to take the risk if they are broke
The war on drugs is complete failure for many reasons especially in the US it has to be won in individual communities law enforcement throwing kids in prison for being street corner dealers is not the right answer creates a us vs them attitude it needs to be stopped at the source. These kids being arrested instead of throwing them into prison they should try and teach them a new skill try and get them a job and of the streets poverty is the main reason for someone to start dealing. Your countrys system is wrong aswell too many prisoners its ridiclous and the people inside prison need to be learning skills for when they get out if your a kid who has been dealing get out of prison what can you do cant get a job only option is too keep dealing. We should be trying to find a job for these guys when they get out they should have a job waiting for them then they will know what it is like to earn money legit and will be of the streets
the guy who made the wire made a documentary on the war on drugs recently its on netflix very interesting you see how it is a complete failure for the police for the people dealing for the local community no one wins
US has 5 % of the worlds population but 20% of the worlds prison population there is something seriously wrong with that
18+ isn't a kid obviously. And those younger drug dealers wouldnt be a factor if nobody is alive to supply them. You combine executing drug trafflickers here in the US with our military going into, say, Mexico and wiping out the cartels (think Clear and Present Danger) and I believe you could stop the bulk of the drug trade here in the US. Of course, for this to work, you'd have to completely overhaul our judicial system, particularly when it comes to appeals. Success would depend on drug traffickers seeing others being judged and executed quickly and in large numbers. They'd really have to believe involvement in the drug trade would mean certain and swift death.
Anyway, I've suggested this on the forums before and its usually met with feigned horror and outrage. As if the scourge of drugs on our society over the years is preferable. And then that's usually when I get the insane arguments for legalizing drugs.
As for what you said, training and other things are offered in prison, though you're not going to find a lot of employers lining up to hire drug dealers just getting out. And the idea that all or even most of these guys get involved because they're in poverty isn't true. It's often because they can make more dealing than they can starting out at some minimum wage job.
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Are you talking about major drugs like heroin, coke, and meth? Would you support execution for minor drugs like pot?
Well you're talking to the guy who also believes alcohol and tobacco should be outlawed. It's hypocritical of our government to say those drugs are OK (because many of them partake) but not these other drugs. Especially when alcohol and tobacco, because of their widespread availability, cause more overall damage than all those other drugs combined.
So yes, I would include marijuana, which I don't think is a minor drug. It is addicting, is often a gateway drug to others, turns people into lazy morons, and has is very unhealthy to the body. It's why I roll my eyes when I see liberals be so against tobacco but advocate for legalized weed.
Well, I say it's insane to fight a war on drugs and to throw people in a cage because you don't like what they put into their body. You're consistent, I'll give you credit for that by wanting alcohol and tobacco to be outlawed. But then I go back to my wish to let all these different ideological groups make their own little countries. Want to outlaw everything, have at it with others that believe like you. What to live with all white people or all black people, have at it. I can't understand the mindset of people that want to control other people's lives.
Does it surprise anyone that Ivyleague wants people executed for selling marijuana? He believes being gay is as bad as being in the KKK. How could anything he says surprise you after that?
Well, I say it's insane to fight a war on drugs and to throw people in a cage because you don't like what they put into their body. You're consistent, I'll give you credit for that by wanting alcohol and tobacco to be outlawed. But then I go back to my wish to let all these different ideological groups make their own little countries. Want to outlaw everything, have at it with others that believe like you. What to live with all white people or all black people, have at it. I can't understand the mindset of people that want to control other people's lives.
Except it's not just the people actually doing the drugs who are affected. And anyway, I'm talking more about the traffickers of drugs than users.
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Does it surprise anyone that Ivyleague wants people executed for selling marijuana? He believes being gay is as bad as being in the KKK. How could anything he says surprise you after that?
Shouldn't you be passing out Hillary '16 pins outside Target?
execution for drug trafficking really very extreme
I don't know why you'd say that considering how much damage drugs do to society. People whine about the war on drugs being a failure but aren't willing to do what it would take to stop it.
u do realize that we would have to execute govt. officials if we executed drug traffickers
people havent mentioned the war on drugs since like 1996
each to there own my view on fighting drug trafficking would be very different to yours but we all have our own views and can all agree that the way drug trafficking is being fought at the moment is not working.
I completely disagree with your view on making alchol and tobacco illegal look what happened with the prohibition plus most people drink nothing wrong with it a very small percentage are alcoholics but that is because they have normally an addictive personality same with degenerate gamblers. Tobacco you have more of an argument because it is very additive but so many people smoke that if you ever outlawed people are not going to suddenly stop smoking they will go underground and gangs and groups like the mafia will benefit greatly
marijuana i believe should also be legal. The "getway" theory does not work for most people most people who smoke weed dont go onto doing herion does not work like that and for the small number of people it does effect it would not be a "gateway" drug because people would not be buying it of drug dealers so it would not act as a "gateway" drug like alchol that is a drug but do most people who drink do cocaine does not work like that.
Actually it can be good for the body it is why some doctors give it out for medical purposes it can relive pain for people who are ill and some believe it can actually help against cancer. How is it bad for the body? Not one person has ever died from marijuana aswell not one person. I dont understand what you mean by making people "lazy" what do you think will happen if they make it legal everyone will be smoking 24/7 who cares what someone does after a long week of work it calms people down and relieves stress. It would also help the economy provide jobs and the government can tax it heavily make some money for themselves. Also stop the profits going to drug dealers crime rates could fall if they legalize it.
like i said above about drug trafficking each to there own i do disagree with your view but at least you stick to what you believe in.
each to there own my view on fighting drug trafficking would be very different to yours but we all have our own views and can all agree that the way drug trafficking is being fought at the moment is not working.
I completely disagree with your view on making alchol and tobacco illegal look what happened with the prohibition plus most people drink nothing wrong with it a very small percentage are alcoholics but that is because they have normally an addictive personality same with degenerate gamblers. Tobacco you have more of an argument because it is very additive but so many people smoke that if you ever outlawed people are not going to suddenly stop smoking they will go underground and gangs and groups like the mafia will benefit greatly
marijuana i believe should also be legal. The "getway" theory does not work for most people most people who smoke weed dont go onto doing herion does not work like that and for the small number of people it does effect it would not be a "gateway" drug because people would not be buying it of drug dealers so it would not act as a "gateway" drug like alchol that is a drug but do most people who drink do cocaine does not work like that.
Actually it can be good for the body it is why some doctors give it out for medical purposes it can relive pain for people who are ill and some believe it can actually help against cancer. How is it bad for the body? Not one person has ever died from marijuana aswell not one person. I dont understand what you mean by making people "lazy" what do you think will happen if they make it legal everyone will be smoking 24/7 who cares what someone does after a long week of work it calms people down and relieves stress. It would also help the economy provide jobs and the government can tax it heavily make some money for themselves. Also stop the profits going to drug dealers crime rates could fall if they legalize it.
like i said above about drug trafficking each to there own i do disagree with your view but at least you stick to what you believe in.
I agree the way drug trafficking is being fought at the moment isn't working. Hence the reason for what I said. Yes, Prohibition didn't work and for the same reasons. An ineffective approach.
You don't have to be an alcoholic to have a negative effect on society. Everything from teen drinking (and all the stupid stuff that comes with that) to drunk drivers to increased health care costs and loss of work productivity is the result of drinking, be it alcoholics or just casual drinkers.
As for the ill effects of marijuana, the info is there for all to see. They far outweigh whatever positives the drug provides.
A federal appeals court on Friday struck down North Carolina’s requirement that voters show identification before casting ballots and reinstated an additional week of early voting. The decision by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit was an overwhelming victory for the Justice Department and civil rights groups that argued the voting law was designed to dampen the growing political clout of African American voters, who participated in record numbers in elections in 2008 and 2012. “We can only conclude that the North Carolina General Assembly enacted the challenged provisions of the law with discriminatory intent,” Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote for the panel. The challenge to North Carolina’s law is one of several cases throughout the country seeking to eliminate strict voting rules in place for the first time in the November presidential contest.
execution for drug trafficking really very extreme
Check out what they're doing in the Philippines. If you think of using or selling drugs in a Muslim, Communist or East Asian country you should expect to have a very short lifespan.
Well you're talking to the guy who also believes alcohol and tobacco should be outlawed.
Buzzkill man don't take my only vice away.
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I think the federal war on drugs is a total failure. You can at least let sick people have marijuana because it's helpful, but compassionate conservatives say, well, we can't do this--the federal government's going in there and overriding state laws and putting people like that in prison. Why don't we handle the drugs like we handle alcohol? Alcohol is a deadly drug. The real deadly drugs are the prescription drugs. They kill a lot more people than the illegal drugs. The drug war is out of control. I fear the drug war because it undermines our civil liberties. It magnifies our problems on the borders. We spent, over the last 40 years, $1 trillion on this war. And believe me, the kids can still get the drugs. It just hasn't worked.
My opinion legalizing drugs won't turn this country upside down, if someone wants to be a junkie let them that being said they need to face the consequences of their actions.
I will admit I'm pretty typical, I am a big Ron Paul guy
It depends on what you mean by turn the country upside down. Considering the damage already done by alcohol and tobacco, I can't imagine the harm that would come from legal heroin, cocaine, meth, and marijuana.
It depends on what you mean by turn the country upside down. Considering the damage already done by alcohol and tobacco, I can't imagine the harm that would come from legal heroin, cocaine, meth, and marijuana.
Alcohol is the most dangerous one.
People need to be held accountable for their actions. That's it. Otherwise you end up punishing responsible users.
Legalization also means it's safer. People can be more open and get help under a doctors supervision without worrying about being criminalized.
Too much death and destruction has come from trying to fight against the drug market.
execution for drug trafficking really very extreme
Check out what they're doing in the Philippines. If you think of using or selling drugs in a Muslim, Communist or East Asian country you should expect to have a very short lifespan.
i read that the other day very extreme laws but like i said earlier the people being executed are foreigners its stupidity dealing drugs in countries like this they should know the laws of the country they are in like those Australians who got executed last year and they went nuts i had no sympathy these guys were in the Philippians dealing they should have known the laws for getting caught dealing drugs.
These countries still have drug problems Afghanistan a muslim country most of the farmers grow heroin. Philippians even with the execution laws have a big drug problem north korea is rumored to aswell. And the countries which lack this problem are normally countries which have bigger problems eg Syria Iraq Libyia
Going of topic here but Communism does not really exist anymore only real communist countries that exist are Cuba and North Korea. North Korea is said to have a massive drug problem but then again could be propaganda truth is we have no idea what is going on in that nut house
So I smoke sometimes I know full well the risk I am taking so the "damage" is my choice, though I appreciate your concerns for my overall health (joking). I think we would all agree that drinking or using drugs and getting behind the wheel is dangerous and those laws are good and I believe should be stricter but individuals can make a choice to make responsible decisions when deciding to drink, whether it is always having a DD, not drinking when you work have work in the morning or not drinking in excess, you (not you personal) shouldn't tell them what they can't especially if they are sitting on the couch at home.
I feel the same about all drugs and for the record I don't use any drugs so I don't have anything to gain from legalization. But in the last 3-4 years 3 people I know have died from heroin, putting poison in their body was a choice they made and I am sad and feel sorry for their families but they chose to do that knowing the consequences. Making things illegal doesn't stop the it from being used. I don't think people should be shooting up or smoking crack in the street but if someone is at home doing that and not on driving then I don't have a problem.
So I smoke sometimes I know full well the risk I am taking so the "damage" is my choice, though I appreciate your concerns for my overall health (joking). I think we would all agree that drinking or using drugs and getting behind the wheel is dangerous and those laws are good and I believe should be stricter but individuals can make a choice to make responsible decisions when deciding to drink, whether it is always having a DD, not drinking when you work have work in the morning or not drinking in excess, you (not you personal) shouldn't tell them what they can't especially if they are sitting on the couch at home.
I feel the same about all drugs and for the record I don't use any drugs so I don't have anything to gain from legalization. But in the last 3-4 years 3 people I know have died from heroin, putting poison in their body was a choice they made and I am sad and feel sorry for their families but they chose to do that knowing the consequences. Making things illegal doesn't stop the it from being used. I don't think people should be shooting up or smoking crack in the street but if someone is at home doing that and not on driving then I don't have a problem.
What is it with your anti-drug rants while naming yourself after a quote from one of the most iconic stoner movie characters ever, and using his profile pic? It's like having Jay Z in your profile pic while being against rap. Is it to look cool or something?
A federal appeals court on Friday struck down North Carolina’s requirement that voters show identification before casting ballots and reinstated an additional week of early voting. The decision by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit was an overwhelming victory for the Justice Department and civil rights groups that argued the voting law was designed to dampen the growing political clout of African American voters, who participated in record numbers in elections in 2008 and 2012. “We can only conclude that the North Carolina General Assembly enacted the challenged provisions of the law with discriminatory intent,” Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote for the panel. The challenge to North Carolina’s law is one of several cases throughout the country seeking to eliminate strict voting rules in place for the first time in the November presidential contest.
The finding of discriminatory intent makes this a big deal.
They were caught red-handed trying to suppress black voters. And not in the general way we know these are voter suppression efforts. They commissioned a study on black voting behavior, then immediately crafted a policy surgically designed to suppress the type of behavior the study found. It's Jim Crow redux.
The overall goal was to suppress Democrat voters and blacks were only targeted because they vote overwhelming Democrat. There were other measures narrowly focused on other high Democrat demographics. Again, we all know this, but the decision lays out how bloody obvious it was in painful detail.
Caught me I want everyone to think I am cool, I mean it goes without saying that you have to live your life the the culture of a movie to find it funny and enjoy it. You sound like my friends brother who asked me how I could like Phish without using drugs at a show just doesn't make sense to me.
I'm not anti drug I am in fact pro legalization which I state fairly clearly in my rant also I never said I never smoked I said I don't now.
If you want to discuss my love and appreciation of The Big Lebowski and how I have the ability to not smoke pot you can PM me doesn't seem to fit in the theme of the thread
You're always talking about your brother, your friend's brother, etc, people that smoke pot, I guess. I do think you have an obsession with being around cool people, trying to seem cool, while objecting to so much behavior that cool people engage in, like smoking weed. Just find it interesting, that's all. It's like someone that hates rap having a picture of Jay Z in their profile pic. Maybe it explains Republicans using rock and roll songs in their campaigns, despite the pleas from the artists for them to stop. I guess wanting to be cool is a trait of modern day conservatism.
A federal appeals court on Friday struck down North Carolina’s requirement that voters show identification before casting ballots and reinstated an additional week of early voting. The decision by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit was an overwhelming victory for the Justice Department and civil rights groups that argued the voting law was designed to dampen the growing political clout of African American voters, who participated in record numbers in elections in 2008 and 2012. “We can only conclude that the North Carolina General Assembly enacted the challenged provisions of the law with discriminatory intent,” Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote for the panel. The challenge to North Carolina’s law is one of several cases throughout the country seeking to eliminate strict voting rules in place for the first time in the November presidential contest.
The finding of discriminatory intent makes this a big deal.
They were caught red-handed trying to suppress black voters. And not in the general way we know these are voter suppression efforts. They commissioned a study on black voting behavior, then immediately crafted a policy surgically designed to suppress the type of behavior the study found. It's Jim Crow redux.
The overall goal was to suppress Democrat voters and blacks were only targeted because they vote overwhelming Democrat. There were other measures narrowly focused on other high Democrat demographics. Again, we all know this, but the decision lays out how bloody obvious it was in painful detail.
What a ridiculous decision by the court (something we're seeing more and more of across the country).
I don't care what race you are, EVERYONE should have some kind of ID when they vote. Hell, you need an ID for so many things. Anyone who doesn't think people should present ID to vote is up to something. Too much risk for fraud, which should concern any honest person. And spare me the excuse about it being too much of a burden on poor minorities. If you're too stupid or inept to get an ID, you shouldn't be voting in the first place. Period.
You're always talking about your brother, your friend's brother, etc, people that smoke pot, I guess. I do think you have an obsession with being around cool people, trying to seem cool, while objecting to so much behavior that cool people engage in, like smoking weed. Just find it interesting, that's all. It's like someone that hates rap having a picture of Jay Z in their profile pic. Maybe it explains Republicans using rock and roll songs in their campaigns, despite the pleas from the artists for them to stop. I guess wanting to be cool is a trait of modern day conservatism.
So if you smoke pot you are automatically "cool" what are you a middle schooler? Grow up. I don't object to smoking pot I don't do it anymore maybe because I am at an age where I don't see a point to smoking or hang out with cool people. You aren't the first person to take personal shots at me during a political discussion, didn't bother me before doesn't know just shows your lack of intelligence.
execution for drug trafficking really very extreme
Check out what they're doing in the Philippines. If you think of using or selling drugs in a Muslim, Communist or East Asian country you should expect to have a very short lifespan.
i read that the other day very extreme laws but like i said earlier the people being executed are foreigners its stupidity dealing drugs in countries like this they should know the laws of the country they are in like those Australians who got executed last year and they went nuts i had no sympathy these guys were in the Philippians dealing they should have known the laws for getting caught dealing drugs.
These countries still have drug problems Afghanistan a muslim country most of the farmers grow heroin. Philippians even with the execution laws have a big drug problem north korea is rumored to aswell. And the countries which lack this problem are normally countries which have bigger problems eg Syria Iraq Libyia
Going of topic here but Communism does not really exist anymore only real communist countries that exist are Cuba and North Korea. North Korea is said to have a massive drug problem but then again could be propaganda truth is we have no idea what is going on in that nut house
Afghan heroin and weed strains started showing up in the US after we went to war over there
A federal appeals court on Friday struck down North Carolina’s requirement that voters show identification before casting ballots and reinstated an additional week of early voting. The decision by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit was an overwhelming victory for the Justice Department and civil rights groups that argued the voting law was designed to dampen the growing political clout of African American voters, who participated in record numbers in elections in 2008 and 2012. “We can only conclude that the North Carolina General Assembly enacted the challenged provisions of the law with discriminatory intent,” Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote for the panel. The challenge to North Carolina’s law is one of several cases throughout the country seeking to eliminate strict voting rules in place for the first time in the November presidential contest.
The finding of discriminatory intent makes this a big deal.
They were caught red-handed trying to suppress black voters. And not in the general way we know these are voter suppression efforts. They commissioned a study on black voting behavior, then immediately crafted a policy surgically designed to suppress the type of behavior the study found. It's Jim Crow redux.
The overall goal was to suppress Democrat voters and blacks were only targeted because they vote overwhelming Democrat. There were other measures narrowly focused on other high Democrat demographics. Again, we all know this, but the decision lays out how bloody obvious it was in painful detail.
What a ridiculous decision by the court (something we're seeing more and more of across the country).
I don't care what race you are, EVERYONE should have some kind of ID when they vote. Hell, you need an ID for so many things. Anyone who doesn't think people should present ID to vote is up to something. Too much risk for fraud, which should concern any honest person. And spare me the excuse about it being too much of a burden on poor minorities. If you're too stupid or inept to get an ID, you shouldn't be voting in the first place. Period.
The North Carolina finding is more specific, though. For example, they commissioned a study on when black people tend to vote. They discovered there is a spike in early black voter turnout when traditional black Churches do a "souls to the polls" event. So, right after that finding came back, the voter bill was amended to carve out that week out of the early voting time. That's straight racial targeting.
What makes this partcular case so special is how the legislators were blatantly caught thinking of and then executing ways to to suppress the vote of black people specifically. It's worth reading what they found because it is so egregious. It's so rare that you catch systemic racism this overt.
execution for drug trafficking really very extreme
Check out what they're doing in the Philippines. If you think of using or selling drugs in a Muslim, Communist or East Asian country you should expect to have a very short lifespan.
i read that the other day very extreme laws but like i said earlier the people being executed are foreigners its stupidity dealing drugs in countries like this they should know the laws of the country they are in like those Australians who got executed last year and they went nuts i had no sympathy these guys were in the Philippians dealing they should have known the laws for getting caught dealing drugs.
These countries still have drug problems Afghanistan a muslim country most of the farmers grow heroin. Philippians even with the execution laws have a big drug problem north korea is rumored to aswell. And the countries which lack this problem are normally countries which have bigger problems eg Syria Iraq Libyia
Going of topic here but Communism does not really exist anymore only real communist countries that exist are Cuba and North Korea. North Korea is said to have a massive drug problem but then again could be propaganda truth is we have no idea what is going on in that nut house
Afghan heroin and weed strains started showing up in the US after we went to war over there
North Korea is without a doubt one of the most fucked up countrys in the world its broke 50% of its economy goes to its nuclear programmer watched a documentary on them recently very strange country. Apart from the capital which is rich the rest of the country is in real poverty its people barley surviving in the 90s loads of them starved
UN has to realize that these sanctions mean zero to North Korea they import very little and what they do comes from China who just ignore the sanctions a day after all these "big" sanctions some reporters went to the Chinese border in North Korea the same stuff which were supposed to be banned where getting traded in front of them. Most people in the north probably dont even know they have sanctions on them they have no internet.
China know they are a fucked up county they dont even like them anymore they have been critical of the kims but they support them because they dont want regime collapsing and then have to deal with mass immigration from the north, plus could see a unified Korea which would be bad for China as the South is controlled by US they dont want the US at there borders and it would the Chinese economy and we all know how much they love there money
The U.S. economy added 255,000 jobs in July and the unemployment rate remained at 4.9%. It far surpassed expectations of economists surveyed by CNNMoney, who had predicted a gain of 182,000 jobs.
"Employment growth remains strong," says Jim O'Sullivan, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, a research firm. So far this year, America has added about 1.3 million jobs. That's a healthy improvement but still a slightly slower pace than last year, when it had gained about 1.6 million jobs by this point. Job gains for May and June were revised up a bit too.
Tourists in Afganastan ? They should have went to see Samarkand in Uzbekistan. That's a beautiful city they could have bought their heroin there. But the chances are good the same faith would have happened to them there.
People need to take whatever they can get. Beggars can't be choosers. What is this, people are just going to stay home and live with mom until somebody offers them a 75k/year job with a window office?
People need to take whatever they can get. Beggars can't be choosers. What is this, people are just going to stay home and live with mom until somebody offers them a 75k/year job with a window office?
Agreed. The people of California should truly get this message...fucking lazy liberals out there now celebrating Muslim month in August. I wish that state would just slip through the cracks of the San Andreas fault line and into oblivion. It's truly sad what Californians are going through daily out there. English has become a second language, border jumpers finding asylum daily, being forced to honor Muslims in August (lmao), fake tits, nose jobs, butt implants, unaffordable housing, transgenders coming out of the woodwork, men going down on other men on public park benches to name a few.
English has become a second language, border jumpers finding asylum daily, being forced to honor Muslims in August (lmao), fake tits, nose jobs, butt implants, unaffordable housing, transgenders coming out of the woodwork, men going down on other men on public park benches to name a few.
People need to take whatever they can get. Beggars can't be choosers. What is this, people are just going to stay home and live with mom until somebody offers them a 75k/year job with a window office?
You did fuck head. A part time job is not the same as a full time job kid. It a misleading economy to say jobs grew when it is part time jobs
She has been absent from the Outnumbered set for months almost as long as Carlson's been absent from her show. I figured it might have something to do with Ailes. Of course, we shouldn't forget Ed Henry's Fox News departure for engaging in some disreputable sexual related activity. I still think that there's a couple of more shoes to drop. One is Megan Kelly when her contract is up in November.
Fox News used to represent itself as a paragon of conservative values. At least it was perceived as such by many of its viewers. What the heck happened?
“It’s time we had an honest conversation about what constitutes harassment...this scandal should have every woman asking: At what point do women need to take some responsibility?”
“For decades, feminists have told women they can dress any way they want, go anywhere, behave however they choose — and yet if they get themselves into a less-than-desirable position as a result, it’s not their fault"
- Andrea Tantaros
Yeah, whole other ball game when its happening to you babe, innit?
People need to take whatever they can get. Beggars can't be choosers. What is this, people are just going to stay home and live with mom until somebody offers them a 75k/year job with a window office?
You did fuck head. A part time job is not the same as a full time job kid. It a misleading economy to say jobs grew when it is part time jobs
How could I be a kid and have a good paying office job? Your put downs are about as lame as Dino's.
Part time jobs are a new reality of the private service sector. Full time jobs have to be leveraged by employees. Union private sector service jobs tend to provide more full time positions. So, stop blaming Obama for everything and tell your lazy daughters they need to apply for whatever jobs that they can get, so that they can get their resumes started.
“It’s time we had an honest conversation about what constitutes harassment...this scandal should have every woman asking: At what point do women need to take some responsibility?”
“For decades, feminists have told women they can dress any way they want, go anywhere, behave however they choose — and yet if they get themselves into a less-than-desirable position as a result, it’s not their fault"
- Andrea Tantaros
Yeah, whole other ball game when its happening to you babe, innit?
wow..
Do you remember what "scandal" her quote was about?
Republicans are notorious for dishing out tough love whenever someone that's not close to them is a victim of some type of bigotry or harassment, yet suddenly turning into revolutionaries when it happens to one of their own. The guy who started the campaign in California to release non violent drug offenders was an admitted right wing Republican who believed in throwing away the key, until his son got busted. And now his mission is becoming a reality. Reformed Republicans, as it were, lol, are the best allies progressives have. They know the system. They know where to attack it.
Fighting in Syria's Aleppo leaves 2 million without water
BEIRUT (AP) — The battle for Syria's contested city of Aleppo has crippled its infrastructure and left 2 million residents without running water, the U.N. children's agency said on Tuesday.
The dire warning came as Syrian activists said government warplanes were bombarding opposition-held parts of the city and the United Nations called for a "humanitarian pause" in the fighting so that electricity and water networks can be repaired.
Rival parties, however, were seen bringing in reinforcements to Aleppo ahead of an expected new round of fighting after opposition groups breached a government-imposed siege and cut a key government route to the city over the weekend.
The battle for Aleppo, the country's largest city and former commercial heart, is pivotal for the Syrian civil war. It is not clear whether the rebels will be able to keep their new gains, but the breach causes a dent in the Syrian government's new confidence and territorial expansion, bolstered by Russian air support.
On Tuesday, two U.N. aid officials, Yacoub El Hillo and Kevin Kennedy, said in a statement that the water and electricity infrastructure had been damaged in the fighting. They said that the total number of civilians living in "de facto fear of besiegement" is now over two million.
"At a minimum, the UN requires a full-fledged ceasefire or weekly 48-hour humanitarian pauses to reach the millions people in need throughout Aleppo and replenish the food and medicine stocks, which are running dangerously low," the two said in a statement from Damascus.
With fighting disabling the power to the city's water pumping facilities, Aleppo residents have had access to running water for less than 24 hours since the end of last month.
UNICEF's Syria representative, Hannah Singer, said "families in Aleppo are facing a catastrophic situation" and warned of a "grave risk" of waterborne diseases.
The World Health Organization said more than 15 Aleppo doctors who were outside the city when the government laid siege to the eastern part of it in mid-July and were now unable to return. The organization said it can confirm at least 10 attacks on medical facilities in eastern Aleppo in July alone.
whats happening in Syria is very sad it is so fucked up at the moment its going to be years before the war ends and when it does there is going to be nothing left millions have fled to Europe and other middle eastern countries hundreds of thousands dead entire cities flattened by airstrikes
Ten years ago this was a stable country sure assad who is a dictator was running things but like with Saddam Hussein one devil is better than a hundred. Syria is now divided into so many factions you have the kurds, ISIS, Syrian rebel army (which are made up of loads of small groups some which are AL Qeada affiliated but US still backs them) and The Syrian Government that country is fucked.
This is going to get worse there is going to be another increase in refugees to Europe as the deal they have with turkey is collapsing and even if it does not collapse soon they will simply go through Libya and because the war is getting to stalemate Assad looked like he would win now it looks even again this war will go on for years half the country hates Assad other half love him plus he has Russia backing him
Read the Most Blood-Boiling Parts of the Justice Department's Scathing Report on Baltimore Police
Unconstitutional stops, excessive force, racist slurs, and little internal oversight.
The Justice Department's Civil Rights Division released its long-awaited investigation into the Baltimore Police Department Wednesday, finding the department engaged in a pattern and practice of civil rights violations against the citizens it is sworn to protect.
Launched after the 2015 death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray while in police custody, the Justice Department investigation found, among other things, that Baltimore police regularly engaged in unconstitutional stops and arrests, discriminated against African-Americans, used excessive and unreasonable force against youth and the mentally ill, and unlawfully detained, arrested, and retaliated against members of the public for engaging in protected speech.
"These violations have deeply eroded the mutual trust between BPD and the community it serves, trust that is essential to effective policing, as well as officer and public safety," Vanita Gupta, the head of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, said in a press conference Wednesday morning. "The problems in Baltimore didn't happen overnight or appear in a day. The pattern or practice we found results from long-standing, systemic deficiencies at BPD. The agency fails to provide officers with sufficient policy guidance and training; fails to collect and analyze data regarding officers' activities; and fails to hold officers accountable for misconduct."
Among the litany of abuses, oversights, and failings of the Baltimore Police Department, the Justice Department report found the city's police regularly retaliated against citizens for what amounted to mouthing off to officers:
In one case from 2011, officers tackled and used a taser to drive-stun a young black man who was, in their view, "loitering" near a market during business hours in downtown Baltimore. When told to move, the young man refused and swore at the officers, who then tackled him. Nothing indicated the man was armed, violent, or presented a danger to the officers or others. Supervisors who investigated and approved the incident failed to recognize that the force appeared to be retaliatory, even though the man, when interviewed, told them he believed he was tackled because he cursed at the officers.
Citizens who attempted to report misconduct faced similar threats:
In another incident from 2010, an African-American man stated that he witnessed officers use excessive force during an arrest and punch a fourteen-year-old boy who attempted to film the arrest on his cell phone. The African-American man recounted that the officers used "the word 'n****r' frequently" and asked him if he "take[s] it up the ass by Allah." When the man went to the district headquarters to report the misconduct, he was met by the same officers who told him, "What brings your black ass back here?"
Even in cases where citizens managed to report misconduct, the Baltimore Police Department's internal investigations were inadequate and half-hearted:
BPD conducted a similarly inadequate investigation in a 2010 case that also alleged racemotivated misconduct. There, an African-American man alleged that while being held in a cell at the Southwest District, several officers called him a "monkey" and a "n****r" while beating him. The investigative file, which consisted solely of a few summary paragraphs about the incident, revealed that the investigating officer administratively closed the case without even reading a related incident report because "it was locked in the report box at the time of my investigation."
The Justice Department investigation also found that officers regularly engaged in unconstitutional stops and arrests to "clear corners." Those unconstitutional actions were sometimes performed at the command of supervising officers, the report found. In one case, a Baltimore police sergeant ordered a patrol car to perform and unconstitutional stop while a Justice Department official was in the car:
During a ride-along with Justice Department officials, a BPD sergeant instructed a patrol officer to stop a group of young African-American males on a street corner, question them, and order them to disperse. When the patrol officer protested that he had no valid reason to stop the group, the sergeant replied "Then make something up." This incident is far from anomalous. A different BPD sergeant posted on Facebook that when he supervises officers in the Northeast District, he encourages them to "clear corners," a term many officers understand to mean stopping pedestrians who are standing on city sidewalks to question and then disperse them by threatening arrest for minor offenses like loitering and trespassing. The sergeant wrote, "I used to say at roll call in NE when I ran the shift: Do not treat criminals like citizens. Citizens want that corner cleared."
The Justice Department was also "troubled" by the BDP Sex Offense Unit's cavalier attitude toward women who attempted to report sexual assaults:
One victim advocate told us about a detective in the BPD Sex Offense Unit making comments at a party, in the company of BPD officers and victim advocates, that, "in homicide, there are real victims; all our cases are bullshit." When another person suggested the detective soften the statement, the detective added, "Ok, 90 percent." We also reviewed e-mail correspondence between a BPD officer and a prosecutor in which they openly expressed their contempt for and disbelief of a woman who had reported a sexual assault: the prosecutor wrote that "this case is crazy. . . I am not excited about charging it. This victim seems like a conniving little whore. (pardon my language)."; the BPD officer replied, "Lmao! I feel the same."
According to the report, the Baltimore Police Department also did little to investigate claims that its officers coerced sex workers. "We heard complaints from the community that some officers target members of a vulnerable population—people involved in the sex trade—to coerce sexual favors from them in exchange for avoiding arrest, or for cash or narcotics," the report reads. "Unfortunately, we not only found evidence of this conduct in BPD's internal affairs files, it appeared that the Department failed to adequately investigate allegations of such conduct, allowing it to recur."
The Justice Department and the Baltimore Police Department have now entered into a consent agreement to implement reforms.
I found disgusting that a Mrs Clinton supporter sitting right behind her. Those people are invited to sit there was the father of the guy that killed all those people at the gay club in Florida. His son killed 49 gay people at that club and no one in the news media said a word about it. Neither did Hillary she will be a great president.
helen wheels- read the report by the justice dept, about the Baltimore police, hard to believe. I guess that's what happens when you militarize police, but most police depts. have that kkk mentality, the one that really stands out in my mind, is the ten year old boy shot to death in Cleveland, the video shows a cop car pulling up and within 3 seconds the boy is dead.
it has been going on forever, but, with video cams, and cell phone cameras the police brutality is coming right at us.
The report estimates the Baltimore PD is making around 200 unconstitutional arrests, per month.
A woman with a broken headlight was strip searched on public street corner. An officer harassed a mother and her son outside their home, ultimately arresting the kid for 'loitering'. Cops planting drugs, The more you read the worse it gets.
While Trump was blasting Clinton for having Mateen sitting behind her at her rally, he had pedophile Mark Foley sitting behind him.
You can't make this shit up.
Yes, having a former pedophile compares to an active supporter of the Taliban who's the father of a man who murdered 49 people and pledged to ISIS. Uh, huh.
Read the Most Blood-Boiling Parts of the Justice Department's Scathing Report on Baltimore Police
Unconstitutional stops, excessive force, racist slurs, and little internal oversight.
The Justice Department's Civil Rights Division released its long-awaited investigation into the Baltimore Police Department Wednesday, finding the department engaged in a pattern and practice of civil rights violations against the citizens it is sworn to protect.
This is true in police and sheriff's departments all over the country. Read about the NYPD Twelve:
NYPD Officers Sue Saying They’re Being Punished For Refusing To Discriminate
More than two years after a class action lawsuit exposed the quota policy behind the NYPD’s rampant use of stop-and-frisk, new lawsuits filed this week allege the system requiring officers to make a certain number of arrests and issue a specified number of tickets and summons, is still in effect. And officers of color are threatened and punished for speaking out against it.
For years, the de facto quota policies in the city have contributed to racial profiling in the form of unlawful stops. Between 2002 and 2011, 90 percent of the people subjected to stops were black or Latino. Close to 90 percent resulted in no arrests or summons, and the majority of arrests — made as a result of the stops — were for marijuana.
In a class action lawsuit filed Monday, 12 black and Latino officers claim the NYPD is violating New York State’s Labor Law by implementing precinct quotas for issuing “summons, tickets or number of arrests” and penalizing officers of color who refuse to follow the discriminatory policy. They are harassed by their peers and superiors, “threatened with termination,” denied benefits, and transferred to less desirable positions. The officers are also given poorer evaluations than white cops, who more willingly target communities of color, as a way to force them to meet the quotas.
A second suit filed on Tuesday by one of the 12 officers, Adhyl Polanco, says his colleagues have retaliated against him since 2009, for revealing the quota system to the media and detailing widespread corruption among the city’s officers. He was called a “fucking bitch” by one of his colleagues, and has been suspended, placed on mental watch, and put on probation.
But much like the punitive measures Polanco has faced for exposing the quota system, additional plaintiffs involved in Monday’s lawsuit detailed specific acts of punishment and backlash for their defiance in the past few years. For instance, Sandy Gonzalez was stationed alone in a dangerous neighborhood in cold temperatures, as a form of punishment for refusing to make an arrest and issue 20 summonses in one month. When Puerto Rican officer Pedro Serrano complained about the discriminatory policing tactics used in his precinct, he was told by a superior that people in his precinct, many of whom are also Puerto Rican, are animals. Serrano has also received poor performance evaluations for reporting misconduct and blasting the illegal quotas. On one occasion, he saw an officer unzip a black man’s zipper and touch his penis and buttocks.
In July, city attorney Elinor Sutton charged the NYPD with destroying evidence about hundreds of thousands of summonses issued to meet city-wide quotas. With the help of whistle blowers, she has obtained emails and text messages that have since been deleted. She also points to the department’s official document-shredding policy.
But the NYPD still denies that the quota system is ongoing. “There are no numerical enforcement quotas established by the NYPD,” claimed Deputy Commissioner and spokesman Stephen Davis. “Performance evaluations are conducted for all department employees based on an assessment of their duties, responsibilities and specific conditions of their assignments.”
Still, the plaintiffs’ lawsuits suggest the policies still exist and are used to justify unlawful stops.
In 2014, Police Commissioner Bill Bratton announced his commitment to slowing down the stop-and-frisk program used to meet mandatory quotas, and has since slammed his predecessor for creating hostility between officers in black and brown communities. “The No. 1 issue we heard over and over again was that the black community — rich, poor, middle class — was concerned about this issue,” he recently told the New Yorker. “The commissioner, whom they liked quite a bit, and Mayor Bloomberg, who polled well for a long time, just weren’t listening. They were kind of tone-deaf to this issue. So we worked really hard, myself and Mayor de Blasio, to respond.”
While Trump was blasting Clinton for having Mateen sitting behind her at her rally, he had pedophile Mark Foley sitting behind him.
You can't make this shit up.
Yes, having a former pedophile compares to an active supporter of the Taliban who's the father of a man who murdered 49 people and pledged to ISIS. Uh, huh.
The 'shit you can't make up' is the cognitive dissonance it takes for Trump to stand there saying that everyone who stands behind a politician at a rally is their bestest best friend - and that he knows this from experience- while having Foley in the same position vis a vis Mateen and Clinton.
Mateen Sr is a homophobe bad father with backwards stone age religious views (Not all that different from some Trump supporters, ironically). Foley is a pedo (Not a former pedo, it's not like being an ex smoker. The urge doesn't go away). Of the two, I'd say the pedo is worse. Now, if it were Mateen Jr and Foley being compared, I'd say Jr was far worse.
While Trump was blasting Clinton for having Mateen sitting behind her at her rally, he had pedophile Mark Foley sitting behind him.
You can't make this shit up.
Yes, having a former pedophile compares to an active supporter of the Taliban who's the father of a man who murdered 49 people and pledged to ISIS. Uh, huh.
The 'shit you can't make up' is the cognitive dissonance it takes for Trump to stand there saying that everyone who stands behind a politician at a rally is their bestest best friend - and that he knows this from experience- while having Foley in the same position vis a vis Mateen and Clinton.
Mateen Sr is a homophobe bad father with backwards stone age religious views (Not all that different from some Trump supporters, ironically). Foley is a pedo (Not a former pedo, it's not like being an ex smoker. The urge doesn't go away). Of the two, I'd say the pedo is worse. Now, if it were Mateen Jr and Foley being compared, I'd say Jr was far worse.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, Helenwheels. Being a supporter of the Taliban is not just being a homophobe, it also advocates the killing of apostates, the imposition of Sharia on "People of the Book," the killing of unbelievers, slavery, polygamy, etc. BTW, pedophilia is common and even accepted (not by everyone, but by a lot) in Afghanistan. So yes, I'd say that's far worse than a single pedophile.
Second, you don't know that all pedophiles are attracted to children forever. That's an assumption that's never been proven and can't be proven, so it's an overgeneralization and assuming facts not in evidence. Even if a person does have that attraction it doesn't necessarily follow that he/she will molest again. In fact, there are plenty who don't. Or you could just follow the sort of punishment that ISIS proscribes, which is the death penalty, but if you're going to apply the death penalty to pedophiles then you're also going to have to apply it to gays and fornicators.
Donald Trump interviewed on CNBC. He basically tells Republicans "Screw you guys, I'm going continue to do what I've been doing, and if I lose, who cares? I've got a nice life."
"I'm a truth teller. All I do is tell the truth. And if at the end of 90 days, I've fallen short because I'm somewhat politically correct even though I'm supposed to be the smart one and even though I'm supposed to have a lot of good ideas, it's OK. I go back to a very good way of life."
Oh yeah, he also says that Obama and Hillary "founded ISIS."
The Syrian Kurds US backed retake an important city in Syria of ISIS local people celebrate being liberated. They talk about the brutality of living under ISIS control and ISIS continue to lose territory. The scumbags are on the run but expect more terrorist attacks guys a wounded animal becomes more brutal as it becomes more apparent they are losing they will do more terrorist attacks and alot of these forgein fighters will come back that is what i fear the most the guys coming back. Any forgein ISIS fighter that comes back should be charged with war crimes do what they did with the Nazis hang them.
Donald Trump interviewed on CNBC. He basically tells Republicans "Screw you guys, I'm going continue to do what I've been doing, and if I lose, who cares? I've got a nice life."
"I'm a truth teller. All I do is tell the truth. And if at the end of 90 days, I've fallen short because I'm somewhat politically correct even though I'm supposed to be the smart one and even though I'm supposed to have a lot of good ideas, it's OK. I go back to a very good way of life."
Oh yeah, he also says that Obama and Hillary "founded ISIS."
thanks, I heard that Trump allegedly made the Isis comment and I thought for sure it was a lie. I hear fear in Trump's comments, like he's already copping pleas for losing the general election.
Trump is only loyal to himself...he's not Rep. or Dem....he's a Trump-ocrat a Me-publican.
thanks, I heard that Trump allegedly made the Isis comment and I thought for sure it was a lie. I hear fear in Trump's comments, like he's already copping pleas for losing the general election.
Trump is only loyal to himself...he's not Rep. or Dem....he's a Trump-ocrat a Me-publican.
Trumpocrat. I like that.
Allegedly there's a real story behind his claim that Obama and Hillary founded ISIS, aside from him saying that he was being sarcastic. If Trump was more articulate than a 5th grader he would actually explain and put Clinton and Obama on defense. Allegedly (because I haven't verified this) the group Judicial Watch, which is suing the State Dept. for not complying with its FOIA requests, was recently given a number of documents that included emails saying that while Hillary was Secretary of State they authorized shipping arms to two Syrian groups that were fighting President Bashar Al-Assad in 2012. Those two groups were Al Qaeda in Iraq and Al Qaeda in Syria -- the same two groups that merged to become ISIS. You can look at the actual documents here: http://www.judicialwatch.org/. I don't think anyone can take an HONEST look at the docs and not come to the conclusion that the Clintons are dirty. Obama doesn't come out looking too good either. (As a reminder to those who think I'm being partisan, I also have gone after Donald Trump and George W. Bush, so I'm an equal opportunity basher.)
thanks for the link, Ms. Pierson tried to allude to what I think is contained in the links, before she made the "Obama got us into Afghanistan" comment.
Also appreciate the fact that you give both "sides" equal time. Anybody who reads your posts has to note that. I think people can have personal beliefs and leanings without being married to a political party ....In fact it never pays to have allegiance to an(y) organization that, by definition, doesn't have any allegiance to you.
What's happening in American cities in response to police shootings is not just about the shootings themselves, it's a powder keg of several other issues exploding. The police are the most authoritative form of government that poor people deal with, especially poor people of color, so they're going to get the most harsh criticism of their actions. It comes with the job, which is voluntary, last I checked. Police believe they should be respected because they protect people, the problem is a lot of people don't feel protected by the police. Protection is a feeling. It's not an object. It's not something you can see or touch. It's something you believe in. Poor people of color do not believe the police are protecting them. So when a cop shoots one of them, they're going to get a harsh response every time. There needs to be a better relationship between poor people of color and the authoritative arm of our government, from the police to the DA's to the prisons, and frankly, I think the authorities could do a lot more. I think for the most part their response to this rift is exerting more power. Poor people of color aren't doing this because they couldn't if they wanted to. They don't have power to exert.
What's happening in American cities in response to police shootings is not just about the shootings themselves, it's a powder keg of several other issues exploding. The police are the most authoritative form of government that poor people deal with, especially poor people of color, so they're going to get the most harsh criticism of their actions. It comes with the job, which is voluntary, last I checked. Police believe they should be respected because they protect people, the problem is a lot of people don't feel protected by the police. Protection is a feeling. It's not an object. It's not something you can see or touch. It's something you believe in. Poor people of color do not believe the police are protecting them. So when a cop shoots one of them, they're going to get a harsh response every time. There needs to be a better relationship between poor people of color and the authoritative arm of our government, from the police to the DA's to the prisons, and frankly, I think the authorities could do a lot more. I think for the most part their response to this rift is exerting more power. Poor people of color aren't doing this because they couldn't if they wanted to. They don't have power to exert.
So are you now the official spokesperson for poor people of color?
This must be considered: poor white people, Hispanic people, and Asian people in America have been shot and killed by law enforcement. However, white people, Hispanic people, and Asian people in America do not, in response, riot.
We all have the power to engage in political activity in order to influence local, state, and federal government policies and procedures. The black community in America has done so on a grand scale that resulted in monumental changes in local, state, and federal policies and procedures. In other words, there is much precedent for such political activity.
Kidnapped girls are seen in a Boko Haram propaganda video. These animals have had them for 2 years now most have been forced into marriage fucking animals kidnapping a school of girls thinking they are tough guys pussys and perverts thats what they are raping and kidnapping a bunch of teenage girls scumbags
When i read about these sorts of things it really disgusts me all these terriorts they catch need to be charged with war crimes because thats what they have done they did it with Serbians and the Rwanda militant leaders but they only got prison sentences the world has gone too soft back in the 50s and 60s when they tried all the Nazis for war crimes they were hanged. What these people are doing is the exact same as what the Nazis did what ISIS have done is genocide they slaughtered 3,000 police recruits on one day and thats just one case this sort of thing is common for these animals and tried to kill all Christians killed all males and forced females into marriage just the difference is this time these freaks have videoed half of this stuff dont even need to investigate its all online if they ever get charged with war crimes it should not take long these trials.
This must be considered: poor white people, Hispanic people, and Asian people in America have been shot and killed by law enforcement. However, white people, Hispanic people, and Asian people in America do not, in response, riot.
We all have the power to engage in political activity in order to influence local, state, and federal government policies and procedures. The black community in America has done so on a grand scale that resulted in monumental changes in local, state, and federal policies and procedures. In other words, there is much precedent for such political activity.
Good post. Though I will say that I saw some Hispanic people carrying "found"furniture and tv's in footage of the L.A. riots
People out there rioting don't want to engage in political activity....they are the thug element acting out under the protection/cloud of a mob. None(or very few) of them are registered to vote...and apparently they haven't studied the effects of riots in the past 20 years. Merchants move it, taking with them the local jobs, buildings are rebuilt using union guys who are mostly from outside the community, and in some cases the people who live there are displaced. It's a net loss for the people in the area looters and regular citizens alike.
Kidnapped girls are seen in a Boko Haram propaganda video. These animals have had them for 2 years now most have been forced into marriage fucking animals kidnapping a school of girls thinking they are tough guys pussys and perverts thats what they are raping and kidnapping a bunch of teenage girls scumbags
When i read about these sorts of things it really disgusts me all these terriorts they catch need to be charged with war crimes because thats what they have done they did it with Serbians and the Rwanda militant leaders but they only got prison sentences the world has gone too soft back in the 50s and 60s when they tried all the Nazis for war crimes they were hanged. What these people are doing is the exact same as what the Nazis did what ISIS have done is genocide they slaughtered 3,000 police recruits on one day and thats just one case this sort of thing is common for these animals and tried to kill all Christians killed all males and forced females into marriage just the difference is this time these freaks have videoed half of this stuff dont even need to investigate its all online if they ever get charged with war crimes it should not take long these trials.
good post G.R.,
Sounds harsh, but in the words of Sonny from Bronx Tale..."Nobody cares". The government of Nigeria doesn't seem to care, which makes others not care. Personally I feel like slapping the sh*t out of any Black person who claims allegiance to Islam (or any religion)to the point where they get brainwashed into victimizing people who look like them. They need to GTFOH with that BS
apparently they haven't studied the effects of riots in the past 20 years. Merchants move it, taking with them the local jobs, buildings are rebuilt using union guys who are mostly from outside the community, and in some cases the people who live there are displaced. It's a net loss for the people in the area looters and regular citizens alike.
Agreed about the economic impact, but one thing that resulted from the LA riots was that the LAPD's old guard was practically dismantled when Daryl Gates resigned, and there hasn't been a police chief like Gates since, which is a very good thing. LA has a dark history of white midwestern and southern transplants controlling the city's government and police department and using brutal tactics to keep people of color out of power. It's just in the past 20 years that Latinos began to dominate politics in LA, when they had the numbers to do so long beforehand in many districts. When you consider law enforcement officials like Joe Arpaio in Arizona, there might still be a police chief similar to Daryl Gates in LA if the riots hadn't have happened.
It's interesting that people say Latinos don't riot, but they sure did benefit from the rioting that blacks did in LA in '92. It dismantled the good old boys club that oversaw a police department that brutalized poor Latinos at will. There's still some high profile incidents of police brutality, but it is nothing like it was before 1992. Look at what recently happened with the LA Sheriffs department.
One can argue that there is a white underclass, an Hispanic underclass, and an Asian underclass. However, it is the black underclass that over the many decades that I have lived seems to be permanent. It seems to not show any abatement or even evolution. it manifests itself on video.
Despite all of the emphasis over the past few decades on illegal immigration, Hispanics have little or no problem integrating into American society. From time to time, the white underclass catches hell because some of its members say and do stupid things. One never hears about Asians. But the black underclass has a dress problem, a physical demeanor problem (head and shoulder movement in a simple conversation), and a slurred or mushmouth verbal problem.
Contrast the black underclass with the black middle class representatives such as Don Lemon, Jerome Bettis, Michael Steel, Joey Jackson, or President Obama. Contrast the behavior, etc. of the black underclass with that of the Hispanic, White, or Asian underclasses. The contrast is quite dramatic and I don't think there is any solution to it.
I suppose one reason for that could be that black Americans are not too many generations removed from ancestors that were slaves in this country. Slaves were punished for reading, learning. Forgoing intellectualism and sharpening physical prowess among other blacks had been a necessity of survival for blacks in America for hundreds of years. Again, not a choice, but a necessity for survival. Black slaves were punished for showing signs of intelligence. Slavery only ended about 150 years ago. I'm not sure how many races of people historically in civilizations have completely changed their culture in that amount of time, especially when you consider black people didn't even have the same civil rights as white people on paper until about 50 years ago.
America is tough on black people. Harsh. Black people are given a higher bar than any other race. A black person accomplishes anything, a lot of Americans think they were given a leg up due to "political correctness", "white guilt", "affirmative action", even when the first black president was elected. Obama's vision and temperament were far better than those of his opponents. Sarah Palin's family was a walking episode of the Jerry Springer show during the campaign and somehow people even thought she was more qualified to be president than Obama, based on what, I have no idea. Oh, wait, I do...
One can argue that there is a white underclass, an Hispanic underclass, and an Asian underclass. However, it is the black underclass that over the many decades that I have lived seems to be permanent. It seems to not show any abatement or even evolution. it manifests itself on video.
Despite all of the emphasis over the past few decades on illegal immigration, Hispanics have little or no problem integrating into American society. From time to time, the white underclass catches hell because some of its members say and do stupid things. One never hears about Asians. But the black underclass has a dress problem, a physical demeanor problem (head and shoulder movement in a simple conversation), and a slurred or mushmouth verbal problem.
Contrast the black underclass with the black middle class representatives such as Don Lemon, Jerome Bettis, Michael Steel, Joey Jackson, or President Obama. Contrast the behavior, etc. of the black underclass with that of the Hispanic, White, or Asian underclasses. The contrast is quite dramatic and I don't think there is any solution to it.
jerome bettis and president obama aren't middle class....they're rich
the education system in black communities is one of the main problems with black people
black people aren't in charge of sending better curriculum or funding for schools
it's lower class, middle class, and upper class......not underclass...smh
One can argue that there is a white underclass, an Hispanic underclass, and an Asian underclass. However, it is the black underclass that over the many decades that I have lived seems to be permanent. It seems to not show any abatement or even evolution. it manifests itself on video.
Despite all of the emphasis over the past few decades on illegal immigration, Hispanics have little or no problem integrating into American society. From time to time, the white underclass catches hell because some of its members say and do stupid things. One never hears about Asians. But the black underclass has a dress problem, a physical demeanor problem (head and shoulder movement in a simple conversation), and a slurred or mushmouth verbal problem.
Contrast the black underclass with the black middle class representatives such as Don Lemon, Jerome Bettis, Michael Steel, Joey Jackson, or President Obama. Contrast the behavior, etc. of the black underclass with that of the Hispanic, White, or Asian underclasses. The contrast is quite dramatic and I don't think there is any solution to it.
Oli,
Disagree. Black underclass is more visible in the media, but if you don't think that permanent underclass of Whites exists, I'd direct your attention to the pockets of them in East Coast cities,the Rustbelt or to the ones who are in the Appalachian region of the country, where there are almost "developing country" living conditions.
The Black underclass exists in a larger proportion to the overall Black community than other groups, but it's a myth that generations-deep poverty doesn't exist among White people or that they do not exhibit the EXACT same pathology as other people in the "permanent underclass" that you speak of.
As far as Hispanic groups,the trending incarceration rates indicate that their "permanent underclass" exists and is expanding.
Helen, thanks. To Oli, I will not and cannot deny the existence and growth of a Black underclass. People who have discussions with me here will tell you that I don't bury my head in the sand about topics, or hide out/avoid threads. I just think that members of that class have been more visible over the years and especially with the riots over the past 3 years. "Gangster rap" "Trap" music, "drill music" promote the worst elements of our culture 24/7.
to Helen, thanks again. just like I mentioned with Hispanic groups....if you follow incarceration rates among groups...especially for violent offenses....leads you to/stems from the underclass of that group.
I knew little about the south east Asian groups outside of the gangs and the stories of them being deported.
US transfers 15 Guantánamo detainees in largest single release under Obama. Not sure i agree with what obama is doing here i understand why he is doing that but i dont agree with it. It is wrong that anyone can be held there without trial and it is expensive to run plus Cuba have been asking US to close it for years and now US is finally starting to enter diplomatic talks with Cuba closing it would help relations.
But there are major flaws with what is going on the prisoners are getting moved to countries where it is not known if they people will be able to communicate with the outside world or even be able to escape we dont know enough about where they are going. Imagine if some of them escape these people being held some of them are very dangerous. Also it is a good way of protecting US citzens and is a good way of getting informantion out of terror suspects. And even the people being released who are innocent or not as dangerous as expected imagine how angry they are going to be with the US would they want revenge?
Trump is a fucking idiot i dont think he really understands whats going on in the world his comments come out idiotic and his forgein policy is ridiclous. Not that i like Clinton either i hate the women the damage she has caused world wide. Feel sorry for alot of you guys i dont know if i could vote for either of them
I’m sure these guys could be dangerous but they’ve also been out of the game for a decade and there is a new gang in town so... maybe not. Either way, it’s long past time for last call at Guantanamo.
"Donald Trump’s proposal for the “extreme vetting” of immigrants has a long and controversial history, in which versions of the plan have been used during times of political and social upheaval to quell fear and agitation."
"House Republicans have detailed perjury allegations against Hillary Clinton, citing the apparent conflict between her 2015 congressional testimony about her email practices and the FBI's conclusions announced in July, according to a letter to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia."
I’m sure these guys could be dangerous but they’ve also been out of the game for a decade and there is a new gang in town so... maybe not. Either way, it’s long past time for last call at Guantanamo.
And they generally are returned with a hero's welcome, and some have been brought into leadership positions with Al Qaeda. It's not like the corporate world where being out of the game for ten years makes a difference. They maintain the same jihadist beliefs, and those don't change. The Quran and Hadith from ten years ago is the same Quran and Hadith today.
The reasons for keeping Guantanomo open are better than for closing (such as keeping their influence away from other prisoners, safety of the American public, etc). All prisons have costs associated to them, so those who complain about costs are throwing out a red herring. The prisoners there are actually treated well, so despite being enemy combatants who don't follow the Geneva Convention, they get far better treatment than they would anywhere else in the world.
"Donald Trump’s proposal for the “extreme vetting” of immigrants has a long and controversial history, in which versions of the plan have been used during times of political and social upheaval to quell fear and agitation."
History repeats itself. I put up a post recently asking people about the impact of the Immigration Act of 1924 on organized crime.
The "villains" were different then, but what Trump is proposing is along the lines of the rationale for the past laws.
*and before anybody says it, there were "terrorist attacks" pinned to members of the groups that were considered "undesirable" back then.
Trump only knows one speed, but if toned down the sideshow carnival stuff, there is a bit of truth to some of what he is proposing, but why start using logic now?
"Donald Trump’s proposal for the “extreme vetting” of immigrants has a long and controversial history, in which versions of the plan have been used during times of political and social upheaval to quell fear and agitation."
History repeats itself. I put up a post recently asking people about the impact of the Immigration Act of 1924 on organized crime.
The "villains" were different then, but what Trump is proposing is along the lines of the rationale for the past laws.
*and before anybody says it, there were "terrorist attacks" pinned to members of the groups that were considered "undesirable" back then.
Trump only knows one speed, but if toned down the sideshow carnival stuff, there is a bit of truth to some of what he is proposing, but why start using logic now?
His advisers may have finally gotten through to him. Maybe Roger Ailes is making a difference. Maybe desperation is making him change his style. Maybe someone slapped him upside the head. Any of the above.
A member here just wrote that Trump has about as much experience to be President as the "community organizer" Obama did. Six months left of two term presidency , and people still repeat a misleading talking point from 2008 election. Trump has to keep dumbing down his rhetoric to appeal to people like that. That's going to keep more serious voters from taking him seriously and I think he's beginning to take note of that. He has to find the right balance.
A member here just wrote that Trump has about as much experience to be President as the "community organizer" Obama did. Six months left of two year term, and people still repeat a misleading talking point from 2008 election. Trump has to keep dumbing down his rhetoric to appeal to people like that. That's going to keep more serious voters from taking him seriously and I think he's beginning to take note of that. He has to find the right balance.
I don't know what member said that, but Obama had experience in the Illinois State Senate as well as being a law instructor. Even two years as a federal senator. (I know that you are aware of this, but maybe others aren't.) Beyond that, I think what most people call "common sense" would tell Trump that he shouldn't have used the ad hominem and loose rhetoric in the first place.
At least after this election people won't be screaming about "experience" anymore.
For 34 years, John McLaughlin never missed a taping of his Sunday morning political panel show, The McLaughlin Group. His streak came to an end on Sunday, when he felt too ill to come into the studio. On Tuesday morning, McLaughlin died at the age of 89.
After years working as a Jesuit priest and Nixon speechwriter, McLaughlin became a pioneering pundit-provocateur, creating his famously combative program in 1982. The McLaughlin Group became a staple in many American living rooms — particularly those occupied by nerdy children and their dads.
In 1984, McLaughlin likened his show’s mission to that of a diamond cutter.
“If he hits it at precisely the right angle, with precisely the right percussion or beat or thrust, that can explode into a brilliant illumination, and that is what we try to provide on the program.”
Held without any due process or release date? Yeah.
The fox guarding the hen house says the hens are treated well, too.
Nice to know that you consider the United States a fox and members of Al Qaeda and the Islamic State "hens." It explains a lot.
Due process is a constitutional right given to citizens of nationals that agree to the Geneva Conventions. Members of Al Qaeda and Islamic State do not hold to the Geneva Conventions so have all the rights given to enemy combatants. And in general, prisoners of war are held confined for the duration of the war. Last time I checked, Al Qaeda and the Islamic State are still at war against the USA.
If any of them were tried before military tribunals, would you even know about them? They could have all been given life sentences by the military as far as anyone knows. The problem is that you don't know anymore than what your Democratic talking points tell you.
I use due process in a universal sense, not in a constitutional sense. Substitute the term "due process" with whatever you wish when referring to the apprehension and detention of people while not having demonstrated that they're a threat to anybody. There's many words that could be used to describe the treatment of such prisoners. "Well" would not be one of them.
I use due process in a universal sense, not in a constitutional sense. Substitute the term "due process" with whatever you wish when referring to the apprehension and detention of people while not having demonstrated that they're a threat to anybody. There's many words that could be used to describe the treatment of such prisoners. "Well" would not be one of them.
If "due process" is universal, then please show me the due process that exists in North Korea, Islamic State, Sudan, China, Laos, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. After all, if it's universal they must have it too, right?
The fact that there are other countries that don't offer any sort of due process to prisoners doesn't make it right.
That's moving the goal posts and irrelevant to what I asked. You asserted "due process" is universal and failed to back up your claim.
Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Aren't we 'better' than the countries on that list?
If we're "better," the quality of being better suggests that due process rights are NOT universal. If they were universal then we would be equal to everyone else in this regard.
His old show had fantastic ratings. He left to start his own tv network he was always big on history. Just came out with a new book on history.
The only thing bad about beck was he loves Cruz.
On black history month you see very few of these guys in it.
Never remember watching his show I could have but I was much more liberal when I was younger I remember watching O'Reilley for a while now, my dad always watched him a lot.
He currently has #2 on NY Times nonfiction
It is sad you never hear about these great historical figures
I use due process in a universal sense, not in a constitutional sense. Substitute the term "due process" with whatever you wish when referring to the apprehension and detention of people while not having demonstrated that they're a threat to anybody. There's many words that could be used to describe the treatment of such prisoners. "Well" would not be one of them.
Oak is consistent, if nothing else, as he takes the standard liberal approach of setting the US Constitution aside in favor of some delusional, left wing, human rights, "we are the world" philosophy.
"We Are The World" is a great song, by the way. Quincy Jones put together the finest singers in the industry to create a timeless masterpiece. For some reason this song is always a punch line in debates about global, racial issues, etc. I never got that. I really enjoy the song and the stars that performed in it. Bob Dylan's in it. Bob Dylan! Did you know that? at 3:46.
Will do. Since I'm only fluent in the English language, you won't mind if you I use google's translator...
English - Due process.
Spanish - Debido al proceso
French - une procédure régulière
Swahili - mchakato kutokana
I'm not sure you are fluent in English since we were discussing the existence of the concept of due process, not the mere words. And you haven't written anything to show that the American concept of due process exists universally. Tal vez estas demasiado terco para admitir la verdad, y la verdad es que no sabes lo que estas hablando. If you don't know what that means I'm sure you can Google translate it.
Corrections Corp. of America CXW, +8.59% shares dropped 35% to close at $17.57, after touching an intraday low of $13.04, on volume of nearly 40 million shares, compared with an average daily volume of 810,000 shares over the past 52 weeks. It was the lowest close for the stock since July 31, 2009, when it finished at $17.26, according to FactSet.
GEO Group Inc. GEO, +21.37% shares fell 40% to close at $19.51, after touching an intraday low of $16.26, on volume of more than 25 million shares, compared with an average daily volume of 511,000 shares over the past 52 weeks. It was the stock’s lowest close since April 10, 2012, when it finished at $19.50.
In after-hours activity Thursday, Corrections shares were up 6% at $18.64, and GEO shares advanced 4.8% to $20.33.
Corrections Corp. of America CXW, +8.59% shares dropped 35% to close at $17.57, after touching an intraday low of $13.04, on volume of nearly 40 million shares, compared with an average daily volume of 810,000 shares over the past 52 weeks. It was the lowest close for the stock since July 31, 2009, when it finished at $17.26, according to FactSet.
GEO Group Inc. GEO, +21.37% shares fell 40% to close at $19.51, after touching an intraday low of $16.26, on volume of more than 25 million shares, compared with an average daily volume of 511,000 shares over the past 52 weeks. It was the stock’s lowest close since April 10, 2012, when it finished at $19.50.
In after-hours activity Thursday, Corrections shares were up 6% at $18.64, and GEO shares advanced 4.8% to $20.33.
It will be interesting to see the effects of this over the next few months, I could be wrong but I believe we are at an all time high currently wonder if/how this will cause a drop
Former Fox News host Andrea Tantaros says in a lawsuit she was sexually harassed by former network chief Roger Ailes and other top executives. The New York Times reports Tantaros filed the suit Monday in Manhattan state Supreme Court. She says in the suit that the network "operates like a sex-fueled, Playboy mansion-like cult, steeped in intimidation, indecency and misogyny." Fox News said it doesn't comment on pending litigation. Tantaros' allegations began last winter when the network says she made up the claims because she breached her contract after writing a book without getting network clearance.
Andrea Tantaros is a beautiful and smart woman. I haven't seen too much of her on Fox lately, specially in the segment, Outnumbered, where she sat on the first base seat position and she looked beautiful and was very spot on. The lawsuit must explain her absence.
UN warns a mass refugee crisis is on the horizion one of the biggest in a long time as Iraq army prepares to attack the second largest city in Iraq Mosul ISIS capital and last area of terriorty in Iraq. Million + refugess expected
The effect on normal people this war has had is very sad war never brings good its always the innocent who suffer. US fucked Iraq up so badly hussain allowed Iraqi people to live normal lives sure it was a dictaotrship but at least they were not getting blown up by airstirkces or being beheaded in front of a crowd of people by a forgein headcase because they were caught smoking in public that country is fucked US and UK went in having no idea what they were doing no plan nothing.
The goverment US left behind is useless US left a nation dependant on West support as soon as they left ISIS rose. Its has a major sectairen divide is the reason ISIS was able to gain support in the first place Iraq needs to learn from its mistakes it has to be accepting for the Shias and Sunnis if not we will have the same fucking problem in a few years.
I have said this loads of times on this site the guys they capture charge them with war crimes we need to make examples of them hanging like they did with the Nazis a harsh punishment is needed to send a message to these people if they carry on what they are doing what will happen to them
In a new lawsuit filed in New York State Supreme Court on Monday, former Fox News host Andrea Tantaros alleges she was among a number of women sexually harassed by, yes, former Fox News CEO Roger Ailes.
But she also alleges she was sexually harassed by the network’s biggest star, Bill O’Reilly.
"[C]ommencing in February 2016, Bill O’Reilly (“O’Reilly”), whom Tantaros had considered to be a good friend and a person from whom she sought career guidance, started sexually harassing her by, inter alia, (a) asking her to come to stay with him on Long Island where it would be “very private,” and (b) telling her on more than one occasion that he could “see [her] as a wild girl,” and that he believed that she had a “wild side.” Fox News did take one action: plainly because of O’Reilly’s rumored prior sexual harassment issues and in recognition of Tantaros’s complaints, Brandi informed Cane that Tantaros would no longer be appearing on O’Reilly’s Fox News show, The O’Reilly Factor."
I hear he nicknamed her tits 'fair' and 'balanced'
Yes, but she designated a certain part of her body as a no spin zone.
Nice one. You win the internet today.
I'd like to thank the Academy for this honor. I couldn't have done it without the little people. I'm sorry that I can't remember who they are, but I do remember that they used to get me my slippers in the dressing room.
Judd Burstein, the New York lawyer representing Andrea Tantaros in her sexual harassment suit against Fox News and its top officials, tells the Erik Wemple Blog there’s more to come. In the next few weeks, I expect to complete my investigation and sue Fox and some of its executives on behalf of Ms. Tantaros based upon her right to seek damages as the victim of violations of certain federal criminal laws having nothing to do with sexual harassment, etc. The cloud of secrecy surrounding the 14th floor will be replaced by the sunlight of litigation. This month, New York magazine’s Gabriel Sherman wrote about a “Black Room” on that floor of the Fox News operation, established “around 2011 to conduct PR and surveillance campaigns against people” targeted by now-deposed Fox News chief Roger Ailes.
This disturbing Roger Ailes story is going to be a turning point in regards to how the mainstream views sexual harassment in the workplace. It's no longer a feminist issue. It's an American issue. It's rattled the country and people want changes. They don't want this environment for their daughters, their nieces, their granddaughters. Enough is enough.
On a side note, the fall of FoxNews could be eminent, and it would be no small feat. FoxNews is one of the pillars of modern day right wing propaganda. The network helped a grossly unqualified GOP president get two terms, and steer congress into the control of irrational obstructionists who instead of prioritizing the good of the country, have, in the name of sheer politics, formed a pact to sabotage a president's vision that the voters twice pulled the lever for, in convincing numbers.
All mainstream news needs to die out. Not just fox. but this idea that the opposition party is supposed to sit around and let the president impose his "vision" is to say you hate checks and balances, and you want a Great Leader unopposed. Imagine, if the democrats actually stopped the Iraq war from happening if they could.
Obstructionists? We need way more obstruction than that. The government does so much damage. The one and only good thing is opposition to the party in power.
All mainstream news needs to die out. Not just fox. but this idea that the opposition party is supposed to sit around and let the president impose his "vision" is to say you hate checks and balances, and you want a Great Leader unopposed. Imagine, if the democrats actually stopped the Iraq war from happening if they could.
Obstructionists? We need way more obstruction than that. The government does so much damage. The one and only good thing is opposition to the party in power.
I'm telling you, it's a waste of time to try and reason with OakAsFan. He waxes all moralistic about Ailes and sexual harassment, because it's Fox News, but I think we can safely assume he's never taken ol' Bill Clinton to task for all the women he harassed. Nor is he taking Hillary to task, and her hypocrisy about representing all women yet standing by an adulterer and harasser of women, and will no doubt be voting for her in November.
Then he goes off on the right wing bias of Fox News but has nothing to say about the left wing bias of most other major news outlets in the country.
Clinton and Lewinsky's relationship was a case of two adults having a consensual relationship. Extramarital, yes, but consensual, and not a crime. It wasn't Lewinsky that made the affair public. It was Linda Tripp. The reason why I don't criticize Clinton for it is because it's none of my business, nor is it anyone's business other than Monica, Bill and Hillary's.
Clinton and Lewinsky's relationship was a case of two adults having a consensual relationship. Extramarital, yes, but consensual, and not a crime. It wasn't Lewinsky that made the affair public. It was Linda Tripp. The reason why I don't criticize Clinton for it is because it's none of my business, nor is it anyone's business other than Monica, Bill and Hillary's.
"nor is he taking Hillary to task"
Why should I?
The Lewinsky affair simply made him an adulterer, which is bad enough. But apparently you're not aware - or simply don't care - of all the women who accused Bill Clinton of sexual harassment or worse over the years.
This is why you have no credibility, Oaks. You're not honest or objective. Or you're not informed enough. And you're obviously content with that.
We've barely scratched the surface on Trump. Imagine what a Ken Starr type investigation on Trump's personal life would reveal. Of course it wouldn't be necessary because Trump's going back to being a tv host in January, anyway.
Fox News' former White House correspondent Ed Henry will be back on the air after a four month break that followed the revelation he had an affair with a Las Vegas hostess. The network confirmed to CNNMoney that he will return Monday to do general assignment reporting under the title chief national correspondent, a less prestigious role at the network. Henry's scheduled return was first reported by The Hill. Henry left his role as Fox's White House correspondent in May after a tabloid exposed that he cheated on his wife with a Las Vegas hostess. At the time, Fox News said the network is "aware of Ed's personal issues" and he will be "taking some time off to work things out."
Fox News host Greta Van Susteren has fired back at people who criticize her for defending former boss Roger Ailes when Gretchen Carlson filed a lawsuit accusing him of sexual harassment.
“Let’s first get something straight: I did not sexually harass anyone (of course.). And second, I did not know about any sexual harassment and keep it secret,” Van Susteren wrote on her GretaWire blog. She also said she still does not know what really happened, but applauded Carlson for speaking out.
“PS ‘Gretchen, you go girl.’ She KNEW about it and SPOKE up. She had the courage. She did not sit silent. I have no idea what did or did not happen. I have no idea what will happen or not happen with her lawsuit,” Van Susteren said.
It is at least interesting that Ailes' attorney is none other than Susan Estrich. I would have never thunk it.
I was going to post this in the sports thread, but since it is political, I'll post it here.
49ers' Colin Kaepernick sits during national anthem in last night's preseason game vs. the Green Bay Packers. Says it was in protest of recent police shootings of black people.
I was going to post this in the sports thread, but since it is political, I'll post it here.
49ers' Colin Kaepernick sits during national anthem in last night's preseason game vs. the Green Bay Packers. Says it was in protest of recent police shootings of black people.
I don't agree or support it but, if this is what he wants to do, so be it. But, he better not complain about the criticism and backlash that will follow for being unpatriotic and the aftermath of non endorsements that will not be coming his way. It's no different that those St. Louis Rams players with their hands up in the air to honor the criminal Michael Brown, a narrative that never happened. Just my opinion
"49ers QB Colin Kaepernick sits down during the national anthem: 'I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people'
The timing is suspicious. Why didn't he do this when the Niners were in the Super Bowl? Instead it's right about the time he knows his career's ending.
Nonetheless, this is one of the most profound political statements of any athlete in a long time. The last major pro sports athlete to sit out the national anthem, I believe, was Mahmoud Adbul Rauf (formerly Chris Jackson).
"49ers QB Colin Kaepernick sits down during the national anthem: 'I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people'
Maybe Kaepernick should be more concerned with his declining stats than trying to make some BS political statement. Besides, who nominated him the great defender of all things black anyway? He's only half black (his black father skipped...who ever heard of such a thing?) and his mother was white. And he was raised by a white couple who adopted him.
If he wants to embrace his blackness this way, maybe he should move out of this "oppressive" country (where he gets paid millions to go 31-22 as a starter) and move to Africa. Oh wait...
So, he's not really black because he's half white, but he still ought to "move to Africa" etc. if he doesn't like it here? Can't have it both ways. Either apply the 1 Drop Rule, or tell Vanilla Ice to chin up.
The end of the article says: "Lemon said that "more than 72 percent of children in the African-American community are born out of wedlock." Federal data confirms that 73 percent of African-American births in 2010 were out of wedlock. Estimates for the percentage of African-American children growing up in single-parent households are slightly lower, at 67 percent."
The chart below summarizes 2011 Census Bureau data compiled by Kids Count, a project of the Annie E. Casey Foundation. The group defined "children in single-parent families" as kids under 18 who live with their own single parent; it includes children living with a parent and a cohabiting adult, but it does not include children living with married step-parents.
Racial or ethnic group Children in single-parent families Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders 17 percent Non-Hispanic whites 25 percent Hispanics 42 percent American Indian and Native Alaskans 53 percent Non-Hispanic blacks 67 percent
Kap is on the downside of his career and I'm not sure what the point of this is.Guess he figures that it's better to be infamous than anonymous. His days as a starter are over,maybe, and this guarantees that he gets a lot of free publicity.The Bay Area is the one place where he won't get run out of town asap for doing this .
I've written here before that ever since the playoff game in Greenbay where he went sleeveless in minus 5 degree weather..he hasn't been the same guy. He's adopted so he doesn't know what his actual heritage(s) is/are BUT he HAS to be part Viking.
He's being interviewed post-game and the announcer is bundled up and still freezing. She asks him about going sleeveless,and he says "the cold weather is all mental"
I think most of the criticism of CK is valid but there's gonna be some jealous people out there, mad that he's a millionaire and that they aren't . When people bring up money,right away...I don't get it. CK paid more in federal tax the year after signing his big contract than most people will contribute or earn in their lifetime.
I agree about the timing. As I said earlier, why doesn't he take this stance on Super Bowl week a few years ago when the Niners were in it? That would have been the most bold political statement by an athlete since Muhammad Ali. It's hard to ignore the fact that if he's not doing this, the curtain's just about closed on his notoriety. ...not anymore.
Another thing that's weird is evidently Kap did this the last two games as well, but no one noticed.
Never bought that a single parent can't raise a child, anyway. Seen too many examples to the contrary.
I don't think anyone has bought that nor has anyone made that claim. The actual claim is that generally children who are raised in two-parent households do better than those raised in a single-parent one. The keyword is "generally," which means as a general principle that allows for exceptions.
General would also mean there's several other factors. One responsible parent, of any gender, is all any child needs. You won't find an ounce of evidence to demonstrate otherwise.
Growing up in a two parent household is one of the most important factors in preventing crime and poverty. I've never bought this idea that mom could be a mom AND dad or dad could be both. Know way too many dysfunctional people hurting because of these toxic anti family ideas.
General would also mean there's several other factors. One responsible parent, of any gender, is all any child needs. You won't find an ounce of evidence to demonstrate otherwise.
Wrong. There's not just ounces of evidence, but tons. What is your degree in again?
Growing up in a two parent household is one of the most important factors in preventing crime and poverty. I've never bought this idea that mom could be a mom AND dad or dad could be both. Know way too many dysfunctional people hurting because of these toxic anti family ideas.
You know dysfunctional people who are products of irresponsible parent(s). The number of parents, or gender of single parent, has nothing to do with it.
Growing up in a two parent household is one of the most important factors in preventing crime and poverty. I've never bought this idea that mom could be a mom AND dad or dad could be both. Know way too many dysfunctional people hurting because of these toxic anti family ideas.
You know dysfunctional people who are products of irresponsible parent(s). The number of parents, or gender of single parent, has nothing to do with it.
A single parent that provides for their children, sees that they are educated, sees that they are motivated and engaged in productive activities, and teaches them to be considerate of others is irresponsible? You lost me.
The ideal environment for a child to be raised is with a good father and mother. Nothing else is its equal. Not a single parent and certainly not two parents of the same gender. And only the most delusional and ignorant of fools, steeped in political correctness BS, would try to deny this.
"49ers QB Colin Kaepernick sits down during the national anthem: 'I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people'
But he will stick the money with pictures of slave owners (U.S. currency) in his pocket no problem. This is what I argue with my co-worker all the time. He rails on the Confederate Flag as rascist and a symbol of slavery. I hold out a 20 dollar bill and ask if he wants it or has a problem with it. He says hell naw. I give him the 20, then informed him he has a picture of a guy who owned over 100 slaves in his pocket. Then remind him the flag isn't a person, not an official flag of the csa and never owned any slaves. Ask him if he is offended and Ill gladly take the 20 back. He crawfishes keeping the 20 and saying, "That's not the same thing man." My solution. Put the Confederate flag on a 100 dollar bill. Nobody will complain about it then.My other solution....Deport Colin Kap.
I thought you were struggling with your medical bills, yates, thanks to Obama and all. Now you're forking over 20 dollar bills to make a point about the confederate flag?
Too many single parent households and (hippies) brought us to where we are today. Everyone needs a dad and a mom. There are some qualities the other demonstrates that the other doesnt. If you want to be gay and have kids, which one is it? Two men cannot naturally conceive a child nor can two women. Good ol mother nature designed us like that for a reason. You cant have your cake and eat it. But nowadays people have rights, choices, freedoms, whatever you want to call it. Just chipping away at the circle of life.
Since I'm living proof ( plus millions of others) that being raised in a single households doesn't equate to a negative outlook nor my parents didn't get married. Don't understand why we have these re-runs on this topic when all can agree every community in this country have a shared negativity. Generalization will always be broad but not concrete and their will always be contradictions, exceptions, and plenty of overlooked norms.
It never fails to dull me that the same individuals that want to rant about community problems never start with their own FIRST but want to criticize their neighbor's backyard.
Since I'm living proof ( plus millions of others) that being raised in a single households doesn't equate to a negative outlook nor my parents didn't get married. Don't understand why we have these re-runs on this topic when all can agree every community in this country have a shared negativity. Generalization will always be broad but not concrete and their will always be contradictions, exceptions, and plenty of overlooked norms.
It never fails to dull me that the same individuals that want to rant about community problems never start with their own FIRST but want to criticize their neighbor's backyard.
That's not proof. Nobody says that being raised in a single parent household means you're doomed to failure. Generalizations are very useful and helpful when zooming out and looking at the big picture. Everyone's different and there's not just one factor, but there are some factors that are extremely important.
Since I'm living proof ( plus millions of others) that being raised in a single households doesn't equate to a negative outlook nor my parents didn't get married. Don't understand why we have these re-runs on this topic when all can agree every community in this country have a shared negativity. Generalization will always be broad but not concrete and their will always be contradictions, exceptions, and plenty of overlooked norms.
It never fails to dull me that the same individuals that want to rant about community problems never start with their own FIRST but want to criticize their neighbor's backyard.
BF,
Topic was about Kap not standing for the flag. We can all read when race was brought up and by whom.
Topic was about Kap not standing for the flag. We can all read when race was brought up and by whom.
Kaepernick himself brought up race. Dont pretend otherwise. That's what his misguided stunt was all about. He wasnt sitting for world hunger or cancer awareness.
But he will stick the money with pictures of slave owners (U.S. currency) in his pocket no problem. This is what I argue with my co-worker all the time. He rails on the Confederate Flag as rascist and a symbol of slavery. I hold out a 20 dollar bill and ask if he wants it or has a problem with it. He says hell naw. I give him the 20, then informed him he has a picture of a guy who owned over 100 slaves in his pocket. Then remind him the flag isn't a person, not an official flag of the csa and never owned any slaves. Ask him if he is offended and Ill gladly take the 20 back. He crawfishes keeping the 20 and saying, "That's not the same thing man." My solution. Put the Confederate flag on a 100 dollar bill. Nobody will complain about it then.My other solution....Deport Colin Kap.
I like this post. Disagree but I like it.
Also ,"money don't got no owners....only spenders. I like that ring you're wearing too."
I don't agree or support it but, if this is what he wants to do, so be it. But, he better not complain about the criticism and backlash that will follow for being unpatriotic and the aftermath of non endorsements that will not be coming his way. It's no different that those St. Louis Rams players with their hands up in the air to honor the criminal Michael Brown, a narrative that never happened. Just my opinion
Agree. DOJ report concluded as much.
I don't understand CK's overall point, but I fully expect him to live with whatever the consequences are....and not complain about the backlash.
I think a lot of people made the mistake of trying to make Mike Brown into a martyr. It lowers the credibility of whatever you're standing up for when you stand up for a criminal who was committing criminal act when he was shot by police.
It's not like Muhammad Ali ending his career (at the time) to protest the war in Vietnam, that took balls
Agreed. From what I gathered about the Ali story. Not only was he protesting against the war, he knew that the military would draft him and then put him directly in harm's way. Unlike, say Joe Louis or other celebs who were drafted, and placed in safe areas.....Ali was to be made an example of because of his outspoken nature.
Decades later....true hero,NFL player Pat Tillman...who quit the league to sign up with Army Rangers was....well I think we all have our own ideas about what happened to him.
If Tillman cold die under "controversial circumstances" in the modern era....Ali definitely would have never made it back to America alive.
Maybe Kaepernick should be more concerned with his declining stats than trying to make some BS political statement. Besides, who nominated him the great defender of all things black anyway? He's only half black (his black father skipped...who ever heard of such a thing?) and his mother was white. And he was raised by a white couple who adopted him.
If he wants to embrace his blackness this way, maybe he should move out of this "oppressive" country (where he gets paid millions to go 31-22 as a starter) and move to Africa. Oh wait...
I count seven references to race in a two paragraph post.
Maybe Kaepernick should be more concerned with his declining stats than trying to make some BS political statement. Besides, who nominated him the great defender of all things black anyway? He's only half black (his black father skipped...who ever heard of such a thing?) and his mother was white. And he was raised by a white couple who adopted him.
If he wants to embrace his blackness this way, maybe he should move out of this "oppressive" country (where he gets paid millions to go 31-22 as a starter) and move to Africa. Oh wait...
I count seven references to race in a two paragraph post.
First, like I've said before, you need to quit being so defensive as if everything is an attack on you.
Second, the whole issue about Kaepernick revolves around race. You know it does but you're trying to make it seem like I'm instigating the whole thing. I simply pointed out that, considering his personal situation and history, he doesn't have much justification for thinking the way he apparently does.
This popped up on Facebook. It says that he converted to Islam during the summer, probably from the influence of his gf. May add an interesting angle to the Colin Kaepernik controversy if true. I know Breitbart isn't always accurate, but it provides links to their Instagram accounts for people to see for themselves.
What I mean is generalities are still useful in the big picture. Pointing out that exceptions don't change the big picture. There's LOTS of exceptions to many things. That's all I was trying to say.
doesn't kap have the right to protest, if he really has a cause.
we all know its not going to change anything, but,let him have his protest.
I don't think anyone is taking that right away from him, but he has provoked many to use their right to complain about what he did. America, the country where people can agree to disagree without being disagreeable.
Rex Ryan. Now there's the intellectual voice of reason. Rex has something to say about players sitting during national anthems...as soon as he finishes his hot dog.
The sentiment from certain posters is " born out of wedlock" equates to not " ideal " situation. Being generally still have it failures as I stated.
@ Gets
I know I'm off the topic you and others discussing but I'm questioning these same individuals bringing that side topic into the mix.
Individual* (singular) who brought it up. Once it's brought up, it's fair game. Stats are just stats.They tell the truth in a snapshot , but not the full picture. Beneath the statistics are individuals who have the free will to make decisions.
Lot of children from what some would consider "ideal" family structures are strung out on heroin and will OD someday.
The man who is currently President was abandoned by his biological father.
Personally, I didn't read anybody(else) write anything in the discussion of Black children births that was offensive. Just citing of stats. Now, I'm a strong believer in the power of the nuclear family. I'm just old enough to remember when things shifted and I witnessed firsthand how the community changed since nuclear families stopped being the norm. As you know, my buddies growing up were from SC,NC, Alabama ...first generation Northerners..I used to hear their parents talk about how people moved up North and lost their GD minds, abandoning traditional values and such. Every single thing their folks predicted would happen.....has indeed happened.
The sentiment from certain posters is " born out of wedlock" equates to not " ideal " situation. Being generally still have it failures as I stated.
@ Gets
I know I'm off the topic you and others discussing but I'm questioning these same individuals bringing that side topic into the mix.
Individual* (singular) who brought it up. Once it's brought up, it's fair game. Stats are just stats.They tell the truth in a snapshot , but not the full picture. Beneath the statistics are individuals who have the free will to make decisions.
Lot of children from what some would consider "ideal" family structures are strung out on heroin and will OD someday.
The man who is currently President was abandoned by his biological father.
Personally, I didn't read anybody(else) write anything in the discussion of Black children births that was offensive. Just citing of stats. Now, I'm a strong believer in the power of the nuclear family. I'm just old enough to remember when things shifted and I witnessed firsthand how the community changed since nuclear families stopped being the norm. As you know, my buddies growing up were from SC,NC, Alabama ...first generation Northerners..I used to hear their parents talk about how people moved up North and lost their GD minds, abandoning traditional values and such. Every single thing their folks predicted would happen.....has indeed happened.
Agree about individuals being beneath those stats. I would never tell an actual individual they're doomed to failure based on a statistical factor. That would be nonsense.
Dealing with individuals and dealing with stats are very different though. I just argue that statistics and accurate generalizations are helpful and shouldn't be ignored. It's about zooming way out and looking at the larger trends. There's limitations as statistics can't tell the whole story and there's always multiple factors at play when it comes to social sciences.
The key question should be "all other things being equal, what situation is better?"
If I said "exercise and healthy diet is a good way to prevent many diseases and having a longer life" and someone responded with " oh yeah well my grandmother smoked and never exercised in her life and lived to be 100!"
Well does that change everything ? No, not really.
Maybe Kaepernick should be more concerned with his declining stats than trying to make some BS political statement. Besides, who nominated him the great defender of all things black anyway? He's only half black (his black father skipped...who ever heard of such a thing?) and his mother was white. And he was raised by a white couple who adopted him.
If he wants to embrace his blackness this way, maybe he should move out of this "oppressive" country (where he gets paid millions to go 31-22 as a starter) and move to Africa. Oh wait...
I count seven references to race in a two paragraph post.
First, like I've said before, you need to quit being so defensive as if everything is an attack on you.
Second, the whole issue about Kaepernick revolves around race. You know it does but you're trying to make it seem like I'm instigating the whole thing. I simply pointed out that, considering his personal situation and history, he doesn't have much justification for thinking the way he apparently does.
So kap can't be mad about the police shooting unarmed black men because u say so
There ain't enough blacks in Utah for u to be so concerned with black people
Basically you're argument is that kap shouldn't be allowed his first amendment right because its based on cops shooting black men
While on the topic of "The Star Spangled Banner," it turns out that there's a verse in the original version of the song that there was a third stanza that wishes for the killing of the slaves who fought for the British because their blood would wash away their "foul footstep's pollution."
"And where is that band who so vauntingly swore, That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion A home and a Country should leave us no more? Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave."
During the War of 1812, the British offered freedom to slaves if they would fight for their side. Many took up the offer. Francis Scott Key went to a British ship to lead a prisoner exchange, but because he saw too much they held him prisoner while bombarding Baltimore. Many of those who Key saw were ex-slaves who went to the other side.
During the presidency of Woodrow Wilson in 1916 he pushed for it to be the national anthem. The offending verse was removed by a committee. President Herbert Hoover made the cleaned-up version gave it official approval about fifteen years later. Stories about the original version started sprouting in 2014, then more in July 2016.
It should be pointed out that the song had verses re-written to support abolitionism too, so people were always changing it until the current version from 1931.
Attorneys for Fox News Channel Monday sought to have a suit filed by a former correspondent, Andrea Tantaros, against the 21st Century Fox-owned cable news outlet moved to arbitration, saying her charges of being harassed at the network were “unverified” and that she had violated the terms of her employment contract with the network. Tantaros, a former host of “The Five” and “Outnumbered, alleged in a filing in the Supreme Court of the State of New York last week that she was the victim of retaliation by senior executives at the network after she complained about inappropriate remarks made to her by Roger Ailes, the former chairman and chief executive of the network.
Former Fox News host Andrea Tantaros -- who slammed the network and its former chief Roger Ailes last week with a $30 million sexual harassment lawsuit -- was branded an opportunistic liar by the network in a scathing court filing.
I hear you. Speaking of stats. Growing up I always heard about the alarming divorce rates. At one point, a stat always used in articles was that "one in 2 marriages end in divorce".I never verified that stat, but even it wasn't accurate, the divorce rate the past two generations definitely had a huge impact on what the marriage rates are today. People really don't believe in marriage as much as they used to.
F1,
Thanks. GREAT pull.I guess the thinking behind the last stanza was that the Africans were supposed to just accept their fates. ..and that they were wrong for wanting freedom. George Carlin had a great comedy line about this glaring contradiction.
Also I didn't know that CK had recently converted to Islam. I hope he's equally consistent in pointing out the centuries long abuse and discrimination that African people face in countries where the Islamic flag flies.
Also I didn't know that CK had recently converted to Islam. I hope he's equally consistent in pointing out the centuries long abuse and discrimination that African people face in countries where the Islamic flag flies.
He may not have. So far it's just rumor on a few web sites. No national press has covered it, and no mention of it by Kaepernick.
I thought you were struggling with your medical bills, yates, thanks to Obama and all. Now you're forking over 20 dollar bills to make a point about the confederate flag?
If you read my other posts you would know I never said I'm struggling with medical bills. My posts say I have a problem(not financially) with paying high premiums because of Obamacare when me and my family rarely go to the doctor (hardly any medical bills) Also I stated I handed out ONE 20 dollar bill to make a point, not that I go handing out 20 dollar bills like candy. But hey, whatever liberals want to do to distort the facts and impress upon the nation their convoluted views.
And it's also disrespectful that Kap doesn't honor the fallen and brave Black American soldiers that gave their life in World War 2. It was not right to be segregated in the military, but facing discrimination the Black Soldiers fought so hard and bravely that after the war Harry Truman ordered the Armed Forces desegregated because of their valor and bravery to this country. What Kap did was a slap in the face to all those brave soldiers, who had to deal with a lot of shit in this country, who put their life on the line and fought honorably for the freedom we enjoy today. No different from my great great uncle John Guy Yates who was killed by a Japanese sniper in the Phillipinnes in 44. All those guys, black, white, native american, whatever should be honored by us standing on our feet at attention for 3 minutes out of our 168 hour week.Even more appalling, a black Iraq veteran who lost his legs in Iraq and couldn't stand for the anthem, lifted himself up by the handles of his wheel chair and held position during the Anthem, Kap is a disgrace. Didn't make a stand during the Super Bowl, but does so when he is 2nd string at a preseason game. Pathetic.
Also I didn't know that CK had recently converted to Islam. I hope he's equally consistent in pointing out the centuries long abuse and discrimination that African people face in countries where the Islamic flag flies.
He may not have. So far it's just rumor on a few web sites. No national press has covered it, and no mention of it by Kaepernick.
Plus, he'd have no reason to hide it now. He's already made a political stance far more daring than announcing he's a Muslim, considering there already are Muslims in the NFL, and there have been several in the league's history.
And it's also disrespectful that Kap doesn't honor the fallen and brave Black American soldiers that gave their life in World War 2. It was not right to be segregated in the military, but facing discrimination the Black Soldiers fought so hard and bravely that after the war Harry Truman ordered the Armed Forces desegregated because of their valor and bravery to this country. What Kap did was a slap in the face to all those brave soldiers, who had to deal with a lot of shit in this country, who put their life on the line and fought honorably for the freedom we enjoy today. No different from my great great uncle John Guy Yates who was killed by a Japanese sniper in the Phillipinnes in 44. All those guys, black, white, native american, whatever should be honored by us standing on our feet at attention for 3 minutes out of our 168 hour week.Even more appalling, a black Iraq veteran who lost his legs in Iraq and couldn't stand for the anthem, lifted himself up by the handles of his wheel chair and held position during the Anthem, Kap is a disgrace. Didn't make a stand during the Super Bowl, but does so when he is 2nd string at a preseason game. Pathetic.
There are still a few black WW2 veterans that are alive. Hopefully we can hear from some of them about what they think of Kaepernick. We've sure heard enough people speak for them, without their input.
And it's also disrespectful that Kap doesn't honor the fallen and brave Black American soldiers that gave their life in World War 2. It was not right to be segregated in the military, but facing discrimination the Black Soldiers fought so hard and bravely that after the war Harry Truman ordered the Armed Forces desegregated because of their valor and bravery to this country. What Kap did was a slap in the face to all those brave soldiers, who had to deal with a lot of shit in this country, who put their life on the line and fought honorably for the freedom we enjoy today. No different from my great great uncle John Guy Yates who was killed by a Japanese sniper in the Phillipinnes in 44. All those guys, black, white, native american, whatever should be honored by us standing on our feet at attention for 3 minutes out of our 168 hour week.Even more appalling, a black Iraq veteran who lost his legs in Iraq and couldn't stand for the anthem, lifted himself up by the handles of his wheel chair and held position during the Anthem, Kap is a disgrace. Didn't make a stand during the Super Bowl, but does so when he is 2nd string at a preseason game. Pathetic.
There are still a few black WW2 veterans that are alive. Hopefully we can hear from some of them about what they think of Kaepernick. We've sure heard enough people speak for them, without their input.
Telling that this is your only response to the truth. I stand at our National Anthem for those brave soldiers who fought and dies for our country in WW2 and thank them every day I am not speaking German. No matter what their opinion of Kap is I will continue to do so for the rest of my days no matter what this country goes through.
No matter what their opinion of Kap is I will continue to do so for the rest of my days no matter what this country goes through.
Well, their opinion would matter to me. I'd like to hear from black WW2 vets, to see if they feel the same way about Kaepernick as you do. You brought them up.
And it's also disrespectful that Kap doesn't honor the fallen and brave Black American soldiers that gave their life in World War 2. It was not right to be segregated in the military, but facing discrimination the Black Soldiers fought so hard and bravely that after the war Harry Truman ordered the Armed Forces desegregated because of their valor and bravery to this country. What Kap did was a slap in the face to all those brave soldiers, who had to deal with a lot of shit in this country, who put their life on the line and fought honorably for the freedom we enjoy today. No different from my great great uncle John Guy Yates who was killed by a Japanese sniper in the Phillipinnes in 44. All those guys, black, white, native american, whatever should be honored by us standing on our feet at attention for 3 minutes out of our 168 hour week.Even more appalling, a black Iraq veteran who lost his legs in Iraq and couldn't stand for the anthem, lifted himself up by the handles of his wheel chair and held position during the Anthem, Kap is a disgrace. Didn't make a stand during the Super Bowl, but does so when he is 2nd string at a preseason game. Pathetic.
There are still a few black WW2 veterans that are alive. Hopefully we can hear from some of them about what they think of Kaepernick. We've sure heard enough people speak for them, without their input.
Really? My grandma is 80 and ten years younger than most black ww2 vets. You think most even deal with social media and twitter you're a fool. My grandma is 80 years old and has only heard of facebook. Those old school people grew up working hard, living in a world without plumbing or electronics and are our greatest generation of Americans. To think they would sound off on Twitter is ridiculous. They are so much more humble and hardworking to even have mind to sound off on something so trivial and immature.
A lot of people in their 90s are capable of expressing opinions, and have good memories. I'm glad you brought up black WW2 veterans. It would be nice to hear from the few of them still around regarding this issue, and other things.
Also I didn't know that CK had recently converted to Islam. I hope he's equally consistent in pointing out the centuries long abuse and discrimination that African people face in countries where the Islamic flag flies.
He may not have. So far it's just rumor on a few web sites. No national press has covered it, and no mention of it by Kaepernick.
The Snopes piece only deals with some doctored photos. If you read the entire article it actually comes to no conclusion about whether or not he converted.
Just a point how the fasting works during Ramadan.
If you had money you could always move the team a couple of weeks before a big tournament football game. If they are away from home they are dispensed with the fasting. That is how Iran's National team deals with it when playing an international. I had some players who were Muslim. I left it up to them if they could play or not because of the fasting. They told me they can still play even though they fasted. I had enough other players so I did not have to play them. I see them in practice and decide before the game how long they could play or if they would play. They always played --- Also a Good Muslim prays five times a day.
However they can't always pray 5 times a day if they got things to do like drive truck bomb into US army bases. So they pray 2 times in the early morning before they get the truck. Then one time after they load the truck with explosives. Then if the trigger mechanism does not work. They csn park the truck then go home and pray twice more at night.
Serious topic,BUT did Jerry Rice actually say "Can't we all just get long?"
“All lives matter,” Rice said in a public Twitter post. “So much going on in this world today. Can we all just get along! Colin, I respect your stance but don’t disrespect the Flag.”
With Colin Kap's public stance on the American flag in the news, reporters dug up excerpt of Jackie Robinson's autobiography. Published the year of his death,1972.
He wrote that he cannot stand and sing the anthem.He cannot salute the flag.
“I tell you this, I’m a black man. And Colin Kaepernick—he’s not black,” Harrison said. “He cannot understand what I face and what other young black men and black people face, or people of color face, on a every single [day] basis. When you walk in a grocery store and you might have $2,000 or $3,000 in your pocket and you go up in to a Foot Locker and they’re looking at you like you about to steal something.
“You know, I don’t think he faces those type of things that we face on a daily basis,” he continued. “I’m not saying he has to be black, but I’m saying his heart is in the right place, but even with what he’s doing, he still doesn’t understand the injustices as a black man, or people of color; that’s what I’m saying,” Harrison said.
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I wonder if Harrison would know who this man is if shown a photo?
*By the way, it is NOT Cesar Romero, the guy who played Joker in the Batman tv show.
I dont pay much attention to the news, but I was listening to the radio today and heard two things about C.K. that caught my attention. First, was that during his interview or press conference, he was wearing a shirt with castro and two other assholes that said great minds think alike. Second, he stated that he could not salute a flag that doesnt stand for which it used to. Saying that if anyone else pulled the bullshit that Hillary pulled would be in jail, let alone running for president. Even if Hilary wins and I have to go spend four-eight years in Canada, I still would salute the flag out of respect to all of our brave men and women. Statistics show, blacks arent the only ones getting shot. As far as oppression goes, lol, we have a black president. A black president, whom most likely doesnt call his black friends n#++a. Dr. Ben Carson, and the list goes on. Life is what you make of it. If you live in the USA and you cant get your shit together and succeed in life, you need to step back and regroup. Its nobody's fault but your own. For shits and giggles I will say that there is a small percentage of a percentage of people that just have sbitty luck.
Rodney Harrison, doing his best to prove CTE is real.
Originally Posted By: getthesenets
*By the way, it is NOT Cesar Romero, the guy who played Joker in the Batman tv show.
That killed me.
Helen, that's a good line about Harrison. CTE and TMI .He just let the world know that he walks around with thousands of dollars cash in his pockets. We will read about him getting robbed soon.
Now RH is apologizing and saying that he didn't know what ethnic/racial group CK was. Harrison's story would fly if CK was a rookie. With his features, you would believe that he is any number of backgrounds. But during the Superbowl run, there were millions of stories about CK.Everybody who watched the superbowl knows his story.
An even more extreme example of America's crazy history with race is Walter White (not the drug maker), the head of the NAACP from the 1930s to the 1950s:
He had white skin, blue eyes and blond hair. Of his 32 great-great-great grandparents, only 5 were black. All members of his immediate family had fair skin and his mother was a blue-eyed blonde. Yet because of his mixed ancestry he was considered Negro, which he identified with -- except when he passed for white.
Related to the Star Spangled Banner, some of you may find this interesting. This is an old video from the 1930s showing the original salute to the Pledge of Allegiance. Because it looked like the Nazi salute it was changed in 1942. The under God part was added ten years later. This video was taken at a segregated school in Kansas.
I never thought of Adam Clayton Powell looking like Cesar Romero, but he sure does, LOL
F1, You would put a full 90% of Black folks who are online to shame. That's the % of Blacks online who I think wouldn't be able to name Powell from the photo, or know who he was.
I tell young people, put down the hashtags and pick up a book.
Brought up Powell to shame Rodney Harrison and his comments about CK not being Black. What really reveals RH's comments to be bull is the line about "CK doesn't know what Blacks or people of color go through" .Even if you weren't told that CK has a Black parent....he does look like a "person of color"
California lawmakers pass rape bill inspired by Stanford case
Under current state law, those convicted of certain sex crimes such as rape by force and aggravated sexual assault of a child are ineligible for probation or a suspended sentence and must serve prison time.
AB 2888 would amend the law to create the same punishment for those convicted of rape, sodomy, penetration with a foreign object and oral sex if the victim was unconscious or incapable of giving consent due to intoxication.
The bill passed the state Assembly unanimously by a 66-0 vote and is now in Governor Jerry Brown’s hands. Co-auther of the legislation Democratic Assemblyman Bill Dod said in a written statement, “This bill is about more than sentencing, it’s about supporting victims and changing the culture on our college campuses to help prevent future crimes.”
“I tell you this, I’m a black man. And Colin Kaepernick—he’s not black,” Harrison said. “He cannot understand what I face and what other young black men and black people face, or people of color face, on a every single [day] basis. When you walk in a grocery store and you might have $2,000 or $3,000 in your pocket and you go up in to a Foot Locker and they’re looking at you like you about to steal something.
“You know, I don’t think he faces those type of things that we face on a daily basis,” he continued. “I’m not saying he has to be black, but I’m saying his heart is in the right place, but even with what he’s doing, he still doesn’t understand the injustices as a black man, or people of color; that’s what I’m saying,” Harrison said.
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I wonder if Harrison would know who this man is if shown a photo?
*By the way, it is NOT Cesar Romero, the guy who played Joker in the Batman tv show.
While on the topic of "The Star Spangled Banner," it turns out that there's a verse in the original version of the song that there was a third stanza that wishes for the killing of the slaves who fought for the British because their blood would wash away their "foul footstep's pollution."
"And where is that band who so vauntingly swore, That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion A home and a Country should leave us no more? Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave."
During the War of 1812, the British offered freedom to slaves if they would fight for their side. Many took up the offer. Francis Scott Key went to a British ship to lead a prisoner exchange, but because he saw too much they held him prisoner while bombarding Baltimore. Many of those who Key saw were ex-slaves who went to the other side.
During the presidency of Woodrow Wilson in 1916 he pushed for it to be the national anthem. The offending verse was removed by a committee. President Herbert Hoover made the cleaned-up version gave it official approval about fifteen years later. Stories about the original version started sprouting in 2014, then more in July 2016.
It should be pointed out that the song had verses re-written to support abolitionism too, so people were always changing it until the current version from 1931.
It turns out there's another interpretation that may be the accurate one. One of the causes of the War of 1812 was that the British Navy basically "stole" American men and forced them to work on their ships, something called "impressment". The slang phrase for men who were impressed was "slaves." The did actually become slaves since they were kidnapped, forced to work for nothing, and if they refused they could be hanged. So the verse in question may not have been about mass murdering black slaves to switched from the USA to Britain, but white males who were impressed into the British Navy.
thanks for the update on the theories about the song and third stanza. I vaguely recall a substitute teacher bringing something like this up in middle school. But those were the days when you had to go to library and go through microfiche or microfilm to research things, so we didn't dig any further.
If there is any good news about the CK controversy it's that the overall discussion brings up discussions of our shared history as Americans. The confederate flag topic from last year was good for that reason also.
I think CK's stance is misguided, but it's America and I think he has a right to take a stand and accept whatever the ramifications are.
What's funny about the CK situation that he may not realize, and assuming that the SBB does have racist origins (which as I pointed out, probably isn't the case) and thereby contaminating the song, then by that same logic if he's a Democrat he'd have to quit the party for the same reason.
Agree with you that's good to bring up the discussion, I'm afraid that the one side is getting a lot more play than the other.
There was a story I heard on the radio this morning about someone (I didn't catch the name) who felt the same way CK does. Then he went to Haiti. After that he decided the United States wasn't so bad.
I've caught up with the whole talk about the NFL player and honestly I'm not bothered by his actions nor opinion.
What I was ranting about on the side about born out of wedlock was due to a previous thread about a year ago. The thread covered that whole topic plus more and it's seemingly stuck in certain posters' mind is the MAJOR downfall of the black community. Similar stats and articles was presented to enlighten the posters.
On that NFL bench quarterback. I told this story before during the Vietnam conflict a protester burned an American flag. Some people who happened to be there at the time did not like seeing that. Unfortunately for the flag burner he got separated from his group of fellow protestors. So those guys seeing that had nothing else to do. So they grabbed the protestor off the street and took him.
So when they got him where they wanted to take him. They decided they wanted to burn a flag as well. So they poured gasoline on the flag then they put the flag around the protestors head and burned the flag.
Chili 2 lbs. coarse ground beef 2 onions, sliced 2 cloves garlic 1⁄2 cup oil 1 cup chopped celery 1 tsp. chili powder (depending on taste) 1 tsp. paprika 1 tsp. dry mustard 1 large can solid pack tomatoes 2 lbs. dry pink beans Salt For Extra Zest Add a punch of the following spices: 1 little yellow Mexican chili pepper Coriander seeds Turmeric Chili seeds Cumin seeds Fennel seeds Cloves Cinnamon Dry ginger Preparation
Soak beans overnight in cold water. Drain, add water to cover (2 inches over beans), and simmer with onions until tender (about 4 hours). Meanwhile, prepare sauce by browning meat and minced garlic in oil. Add remaining ingredients, and simmer for 1 hour. When beans are tender, add sauce to beans and simmer for 1⁄2 hour. Serves 6 to 8.
The Commission on Presidential Debates on Friday morning announced the moderators for the general-election debates.
NBC "Nightly News" anchor Lester Holt will moderate the first presidential debate, which will take place at Hofstra University in New York on September 26.
ABC News correspondent Martha Raddatz and CNN anchor Anderson Cooper will moderate the second presidential debate, scheduled for October 9 at Washington University in St. Louis.
And "Fox News Sunday" anchor Chris Wallace will moderate the third presidential debate, which will be held at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas on October 19.
CBS News correspondent Elaine Quijano will moderate the vice-presidential debate on October 4 at Longwood University in Virginia.
Seems like Rice has more sense than Kaepernick ever will. Way more talent too.
Really? You think Jerry Rice is more talented than Colin Kaepernick? Jerry Rice being arguably the greatest receiver of all time? I'll go a step further and say that Jerry Rice is better than just about anyone playing the game today, or anyone whose ever played, for that matter.
I think Jerry Rice is more talented than Tom Brady, too, but Brady still has the right to position his "Make America Great Again" cap in camera view for locker room interviews.
A lot of people in their 90s are capable of expressing opinions, and have good memories. I'm glad you brought up black WW2 veterans. It would be nice to hear from the few of them still around regarding this issue, and other things.
Like I said, they have good memories and would do well with interview questions, but the race baiters aren't interested in interviewing them or doing news stories. They don't care about any WW2 vets thoughts, black,white, or native americans. That being said, how many 80 year olds have instagram, twitter, or facebook accounts? Going out on a limb to say NONE that they handle on their own.
Seems like Rice has more sense than Kaepernick ever will. Way more talent too.
Really? You think Jerry Rice is more talented than Colin Kaepernick? Jerry Rice being arguably the greatest receiver of all time? I'll go a step further and say that Jerry Rice is better than just about anyone playing the game today, or anyone whose ever played, for that matter.
I think Jerry Rice is more talented than Tom Brady, too, but Brady still has the right to position his "Make America Great Again" cap in camera view for locker room interviews.
You know why Jerry Rice was so great? and I am partial because Jerry Rice is from a hardworking Mississippi family. His dad was a hardworking bricklayer. He was poor like we all were and his dad brought his family up from the bootstraps. Jerry developed his hand strength from his dad tossing bricks to him to catch.Didn't take hand outs and would've turned them down if offered as all proud hardworking Mississippians do.That is why Rice criticized Kap. All hardworking people from Miss. are ingrained with that spirit.
My grandfather was a WW2 vet. The Pacific. I guarantee you he would support Kaepernick's right to protest. When Gramps went to the hospital in late 2002 for the last time, he had on a cap that said "Selected Not Elected", in reference to Bush stealing the 2000 election. Still remember my dad bringing his clothes home after he was no longer with us, neatly folded, with that cap on top. I'm not sure if you could call gramps a liberal, but he was definitely a Democrat. He was a leader in like 3 unions. Anyhow, since you brought up WW2 vets, I figured I'd share. I figured you might be interested. You're welcome.
With Colin Kap's public stance on the American flag in the news, reporters dug up excerpt of Jackie Robinson's autobiography. Published the year of his death,1972.
He wrote that he cannot stand and sing the anthem.He cannot salute the flag.
here is picture of Jackie Robinson, Army 2nd Lt. Jackie Robinson
Cannot stand sing the anthem before the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation doesn't equate to not standing when you're a mixed QB raised in Mid-upper class suburbia making millions a year. Don't you dare disgrace the injustice and hell Jackie Robinson went through to break the barrier. Kap isn't a pimple on Jackie Robinson's ass.You should be ashamed to compare the 2. It's pathetic.
Hate to hit you with facts, but if you want to protest that is ok. Protest against the main predator of black lives, if they matter as much as you say they do. In the year 2015. Police kill 258 black people, no matter the circumstance. that is horrible and unacceptable. Even more horrible, black killed by other black people....................almost 6,000 black people in 2015 were killed by other black people.??? WTF? Address the real problem first. 6 thousand of black citizens are killed by other black citizens. Why not address those 6 thousand lost first then go after the 258 killed by police? Doesn't make sense. Only makes sense if you want to stir up racism in this country for your own selfish gains.
Oh, what do you know about Jackie Robinson? Who in his family asked you to speak on their behalf?
Hey, you brought up WW2 vets. I shared a story about my grandfather, a WW2 vet. Do you appreciate that? Or are you going to insult him because he was a Democrat, and literally went to his grave with a cap that had an anti-Bush slogan? Do you really care what WW2 vets would think, or are you just seeking confirmation for your political views?
Cannot stand sing the anthem before the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation doesn't equate to not standing when you're a mixed QB raised in Mid-upper class suburbia making millions a year. Don't you dare disgrace the injustice and hell Jackie Robinson went through to break the barrier. Kap isn't a pimple on Jackie Robinson's ass.You should be ashamed to compare the 2. It's pathetic.
Hate to hit you with facts, but if you want to protest that is ok. Protest against the main predator of black lives, if they matter as much as you say they do. In the year 2015. Police kill 258 black people, no matter the circumstance. that is horrible and unacceptable. Even more horrible, black killed by other black people....................almost 6,000 black people in 2015 were killed by other black people.??? WTF? Address the real problem first. 6 thousand of black citizens are killed by other black citizens. Why not address those 6 thousand lost first then go after the 258 killed by police? Doesn't make sense. Only makes sense if you want to stir up racism in this country for your own selfish gains.
My post notes that the autobiography was published in 1972. I included a photo of Jackie Robinson in uniform and his Army rank.
You made a post expressing your opinion that Kap's views about the anthem and flag were a slap in face of Vets, especially Black vets.
I posted a quote from Army vet, Jackie Robinson, that expressed the same view on the flag/anthem in 1972, NOT before the civil rights movement and desegregation.
I'm not sure that you followed the link to the quote or examined the other comments that Robinson made in the book.Not sure if you even read my full post because I noted that the auto-bio was published in 1972,well after Robinson's military and baseball career. I think your post was a kneejerk reaction to someone poking a hole in your argument about Kap's comments being across the board offensive to Black vets.
I think your kneejerk reactions continued when you, again apparently not having read my posts on this board or in this thread, assume things about my views that frankly you've not seen me write. "Hate to hit me with facts"? What facts are you hitting me with, and how are they challenging anything that I've written?
And please, don't insult my intelligence by googling bits and pieces of ACP's life story and "hitting me with facts" about him.In fact, don't insult your own intelligence by doing so. I brought him up to challenge Rodney Harrison's laughable comments about Kap not being Black.I won't give you a history lesson about the "one drop rule" because I doubt that you would care. Second, I own book(s) about Powell.His faults, personal shortcomings, and flaws are well documented as are his legislative and political accomplishments.
Fox News Will Pay Gretchen Carlson $20 Million To Settle Sexual Harassment Suit
Two months after former Fox & Friends co-host Gretchen Carlson accused Fox News' then-Chairman Roger Ailes of sexual harassment, the network has agreed to pay Carlson $20 million and make a "highly unusual public apology," NPR's David Folkenflik reports.
News of the settlement was first reported Tuesday morning by Vanity Fair; a source with knowledge of the settlement then confirmed the deal to David, and the company later issued a statement about it.
"We sincerely regret and apologize for the fact that Gretchen was not treated with the respect and dignity that she and all of our colleagues deserve," 21st Century Fox says in part of that statement.
In another development at Fox News, longtime anchor Greta Van Susteren is leaving the network. The departure is immediate — she will not host tonight's edition of her 7 p.m. ET show. As David notes, Van Susteren "had initially dismissed" the seriousness of Carlson's allegations.
Combine Greta's leaving with the possibility of Kelly leaving and you have one heck of a revolution going on at Fox. Remember that Greta started off at CNN and may return there. I also imagine that CNN is aggressively courting Kelly.
Fox News Will Pay Gretchen Carlson $20 Million To Settle Sexual Harassment Suit
Helen,
thanks for the update. Do you think that one of the conditions of the settlement was the firing of Van Susteren?
Sounds like a stretch, but the timing of her departure makes me wonder.
I wonder what kinds of things were on the tapes. I think Oli posted about the existence of the tapes last week, and not 7 days later there's a settlement.
Fox News Will Pay Gretchen Carlson $20 Million To Settle Sexual Harassment Suit
Helen,
thanks for the update. Do you think that one of the conditions of the settlement was the firing of Van Susteren?
Sounds like a stretch, but the timing of her departure makes me wonder.
I wonder what kinds of things were on the tapes. I think Oli posted about the existence of the tapes last week, and not 7 days later there's a settlement.
I read two conflicting stories on this. One is Van Susteren was renegotiating her salary, which deadlocked but she had a clause in her contract that allowed her to leave if Ailes was gone, so she invoked it.The other was she was troubled by the culture at the network.
My best guess is the truth is a likely a little from column A and a little from column B.
The tape Carlson made had to be a motivation for Fox to settle fast and for this much. If they had a leg to stand on they'd have fought, it would have cost much less than $20 million and the bad publicity. I'd love to see/hear it.
You right. Though it would be funny for her to be troubled by "the culture at Fox" when she publicly questioned Gretchen's allegations of harassment. I'm just going by what the article pointed out, as I hadn't really followed the story.
Odd that on air talent speaks out one way or the other about allegations about what was then an on going investigation/case.
I'm guessing that pressure was put on Van Susteren to counter the p.r. hit Fox was taking.
I'm guessing that pressure was put on Van Susteren to counter the p.r. hit Fox was taking.
Absolutely.
As a woman, I will say it's often women that treat victims of stuff like this the worst. Its as if they think behaving that way will protect them from being a victim in turn, so they side with their oppressors. It's crazy. Tantaros is a good example.
Greta Van Susteren’s Husband Hints at Possible Legal Action At Fox News
After 14 years at Fox News, host Greta Van Susteren is leaving the network immediately, and according to her husband, she might take legal action against the channel in the future.
In a Facebook post about the decision, the former “On the Record” host wrote that Fox “has not felt like home for a few years.” On Friday, Van Susteren invoked the “key man clause,” which allowed the anchor to terminate her contract if and when former network chairman and CEO Roger Ailes was not in control.
Van Susteren said that she “could not wait” because of a time limit on the exit clause.
The broadcaster’s husband, John P. Coale, backed up his spouse in a phone interview with The New York Times Tuesday, telling the newspaper, “There’s so much chaos, it’s very hard to work [at Fox].” News of Van Susteren’s decision comes the same day Fox announced it settled with ex-anchor Gretchen Carlson for $20 million over sexual harassment allegations against Ailes.
Coale said the timing of the announcements was simply a “coincidence.”
The Times pressed Coale on why his wife chose to invoke the “key man clause.” In response, he said there is more going on at the network “than meets the eye,” adding he didn’t want to go into too much detail because there “might be litigation in the future” on the matter.
The long-time Fox News host reportedly expected to leave the network after a few weeks according to CNN Money, but her husband is claiming that the end came a bit more sudden than previously alluded to:
A courier arrived at Van Susteren’s Washington, D.C. home at 9 a.m. Tuesday, hand-delivering two letters that said that Van Susteren “was being taken off the air” immediately, according to her husband, John Coale, who is a high-profile Washington lawyer. Van Susteren was already planning to leave, but she thought she would be hosting her 7 p.m. program “On the Record” for a few more weeks. Yanking her off the air without a chance to say goodbye was “a bit immature,” Coale remarked.
Coale also says that there could be possible litigation in the future stemming from this decision, claiming this was a message from Rupert Murdoch allegedly stemming from tense contract negotiations. And the courier reportedly wasn’t the end of it according to CNN Money:
It has been a bad few months for Islamic State (Isis). For the first time since the terror group laid claim to much of Iraq and Syria, it no longer has a direct path to Europe. Black flags are no longer flying over towns and villages near the Turkish border and the militants of the so-called caliphate are on the run. If the decay continues, Isis will soon lose much of its remaining foothold in Syria. Its last bastion will be Raqqa and the north-eastern deserts, where it all began for the group’s latest incarnation in April 2013, and from where much of its subsequent rampage was plotted.
Since mid-July, Isis has been methodically pushed from towns and villages it controlled near the Turkish frontier by the most concerted ground advance of the past two years. The jihadist group now looks to be far less of a threat to the regional order than when its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, proclaimed his rule over a swath of eastern Syria and western Iraq in mid-2014.
But little about what comes next is clear. The group’s loss of territory has shifted geopolitical ground in ways that could not easily have been predicted. And, in the eyes of many European governments, its danger has metastasised into a global threat that a loss of land won’t mitigate. A military victory over one of modern history’s most savage band of marauders may yet prove pyrrhic.
Isis fighters parade through Raqqa after its capture in June 2014. Facebook Twitter Pinterest Isis fighters parade through Raqqa after its capture in June 2014. Photograph: Reuters Isis once controlled a stretch from the town of al-Bab in the Aleppo hinterland to Mosul in northern Iraq. It regularly moved men between the two points, using Turkey, not far north, as a supply line for fighters, money and food. From this arc of influence, it created a bulwark against threats from the outside, and a self-sustaining society built on oil revenues, taxes and loot seized from vanquished Iraqi and Syrian forces.
Within months of seizing Iraq’s second biggest city, Mosul, in June 2014, Isis had splintered the authority of embattled leaders on both sides of the now-irrelevant border between Iraq and Syria and created a terrifying new form of governance, rooted in an uncompromising reading of Islamic tenets and unchecked savagery. Isis leaders lorded over their gateways such as Manbij and Jarabulus, along the Turkish frontier. Foreign fighters, including some who have since returned to Europe, used the towns as waypoints when they entered the “caliphate” and when they travelled back to Turkey.
Turkish tanks on the road to Jarabulus in August Facebook Twitter Pinterest Turkish tanks and armoured vehicles on the road to Jarabulus in August. Photograph: Reuters Isis lost both in recent weeks. After a month-long push, Manbij fell to Kurdish groups whom the US had raised as a proxy infantry. Jarabulus, however, was taken in less than 24 hours by the Turkish military, which had made its first full-scale incursion into Syria since the start of the uprising against Bashar al-Assad five years ago. But even more important than Ankara’s stated goal of stopping Isis is preventing the US-backed Kurds from advancing into areas that would secure them their historical ambitions to control territory held by Arabs in north-eastern Syria.
By crossing the border, Turkey has changed the face of the war against Isis. A bit player for much of the campaign, it now has a lead stake on how the rest of the military offensive is fought and, more essentially, who does the fighting.
Arab rebel groups made up of reconfigured units of the anti-Assad Free Syria Army rode in on Turkish tanks to take 680 sq km (420 sq m) of Syria, and are now aiming to consolidate a buffer zone 60km south of the border. Al-Bab, where Isis extremists planned much of the carnage they have wreaked in Paris, Brussels and Istanbul, is now squarely in the invaders’ sights. The US-backed Kurds, meanwhile, have stopped advancing, their ranks thinned by the defection of dozens of Arab fighters who had reluctantly allied with them.
How Isis has lost territory in Syria over the past year The march of the new alliance through Jarabulus has laid bare more of the workings of Isis, a group that has been exposed by a string of defeats, and an estimated 35,000-50,000 battle deaths. “They created institutions to brainwash the minds of the children, and they have been widely successful,” says Mohammed Hamdan, a local councillor from Jarabulus. “All the elements of economic life are gone. They forced people to work with them.”
In Manbij, as soon as the jihadists fled, local women stripped off full-face coverings and black gowns that had been mandatory under Isis. Schools that had been shuttered were soon being swept out and reopened. People started to smoke again. Men cut off their beards. To do so while the jihadists were there would have led to a flogging – or worse. In Jarabulus, the ubiquitous black banner that had been painted over government buildings was whitewashed. Markets opened and people again mingled.
“Isis used Jarabulus as a starting point for its operations in Turkey,” says Hamdan. “They used the mosques to advocate brutal killings, which became the dominant theme in recent months. They used mosques to tell people that they were still under control.
A Manbij man having his beard cut off, August 2016 Facebook Twitter Pinterest A man celebrates his liberation from the hands of Isis in Manbij by having his beard cut off, August 2016. Photograph: Rodi Said/Reuters “But tension and worry was obvious. It spread after Isis realised it was going to lose a significant part of strategic territory. Most of the people, whether pro-Isis or not, withdrew from the city towards Maskanah and al-Tabqa and then to Raqqa.”
These areas amount to the last redoubt of Isis in Syria and will be the targets of a push later this year. Who gets to do the fighting is, as yet, unclear. The link to the Iraqi strongholds of al-Bukamal, Ba’ej, Tal Afar and Mosul remains viable for now, but in Iraq, as in Syria, the self-styled caliphate is rapidly contracting.
In Iraq, an assault on Mosul, which has previously been deemed too difficult, is now being seen as a reality for early next year. Iraqi forces that fled as the jihadists advanced have been reconfigured and galvanised. “Confidence has emerged from battlefield gains,” says a Baghdad-based US diplomat. “And while the Iraqis are feeling better about themselves, Isis is feeling worse. Everywhere they have tried to make a stand in recent times, they have been hosed out. They know it’s near the end.”
Members of Free Syrian Army stand in front of an Isis mural in Jarabulus. Facebook Twitter Pinterest Members of the Free Syrian Army stand in front of an Isis mural in Jarabulus. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images For all its blind dogma, the Isis leadership has shown a pragmatism. Control of territory, so vital in the heady early days, is no longer as important to Baghdadi and his senior leaders as controlling populations beyond the caliphate’s fast-shrinking boundaries. “They have highly intelligent leaders calling the shots, being prepared to sacrifice thousands of lessers who are far less disciplined about how they get around and communicate,” says one western diplomat.
Another Isis observer, a security official, says: “It’s very clear that they have sent people to Europe. We know that they expect some to be caught and they accept that. They have others on the way, or already in place.”
The Paris and Brussels plotters returned to Europe after being trained between al-Bab and Raqqa by an Isis cell that had been tasked with causing chaos in the west. Both cells were sent across the border into Turkey and then on a painstaking journey through the continent, tailored to avoid detection.
Another Isis figure, a petty criminal from the south-west London suburb of Hammersmith, was also sent on his way to Europe around the same time. His name was Aine Lesley Davis, and he was one of a trio of British nationals who brutalised western hostages in Syria in 2013 and 2014. The group was dubbed “the Beatles”. Their leader, Mohammed Emwazi, was the black-clad executioner who beheaded seven hostages on camera in some of the most horrific images of the extremists’ era. Alexander Kotey, another west London convert, was the third member of the sadistic trio, intelligence officials believe.
Mohammed Emwazi, AKA Jihadi John. Mohammed Emwazi, AKA Jihadi John. Photograph: Rex/Shutterstock Davis, 32, got as far as Istanbul before being caught on 7 November 2015 by Turkish intelligence officers, who had been alerted by neighbours to a group of Arab men who had moved into the area. This week, a Turkish prosecutor released an indictment on Davis, which accused him of crossing the border near Jarabulus and linking with two senior Turkish members of Isis. “To cross into Turkey, he communicated with Ilhami Bali (code name Abu Baker) and Necip Süleyman (Abu Sham Al Ansari), Isis Turkey border ‘emirs’,” the indictment read. “Bali’s name is linked to the Ankara attack in October 2015, which killed more than 100 people.”
Emwazi was killed by a CIA drone strike in Raqqa five days after Davis was arrested in Istanbul. Kotey’s whereabouts remain unknown. And while security officials in Europe believe that much of Isis’s original foreign fighter corps has been killed – they were seen as dispensable by their leaders – several hundred have returned to Europe, where they are awaiting instructions from inside Syria and Iraq.
“That, in a sense, is the reason why it doesn’t really matter if they lose this land right now,” says the western diplomat. “They are an even more potent threat than they were a year ago.”
Armed police in Paris during terrorist attack Facebook Twitter Pinterest Could the west be a renewed target after a refocus on terrorist atrocities by Isis? Photograph: Malte Christians/EPA The calculation by Isis leaders is that acolytes, fired by some sense of divine purpose, will launch their own attacks, without direct instruction or organisation. Such strikes are increasingly valuable, and damaging to the caliphate’s foes. They are relatively easy to commit, and very difficult to detect.
Though fast losing ground, and with morale low in many of their embattled communities, Isis leaders continue to believe that the organisation which first rose out of the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 derives considerable potency from Sunni Muslim resentment. The Isis narrative is that Sunnis, the majority Islamic sect, have been stripped of power and influence by western powers who have handed the reins to the minority Shias. They anchor their very contemporary political gripes in an ancient creed, which says that much of this was preordained.
An essential sell for Isis leaders to would-be jihadists such as Davis, Kotey and Emwazi is that their generation has the privilege to not only correct recent indignities, but to restore the lost glories of Islam. The withering caliphate is becoming the latest casus belli – a divine mission to replace the “falsehood” of the nation state with Islamic rule being stripped away by yet more western aggression.
Turkish workers with some of the modular blocks that will form the wall along the Syrian border Facebook Twitter Pinterest Turkish workers with some of the modular blocks that will form the wall along the Syrian border. Photograph: AP How that aggression takes shape in the coming months will be pivotal to the direction of the war against the jihadists – and the overall course of the Syrian war. The campaign against Isis had been fought mostly as a subset of the broader war, but has been increasingly drawn into the main conflict.
For now, Turkey’s role will continue to be instrumental, its aim – to keep two Kurdish cantons separated by a 140km (90-mile) gap, in which Arab groups call the shots – now within reach. Accused of being too slow to react to the threat from Isis, whose ranks were reinforced largely through the then-porous Turkish border, Ankara is now building a wall along much of it.
In Iraq, Isis now has just as much trouble securing supply lines outside its strongholds. The border with Syria remains a free-for-all, but offers little to increasingly desperate fighters seeking refuge or escape. The desert frontiers of Saudi Arabia and Jordan are better policed and even more foreboding.
“Morale is desperate,” one Isis official tells the Guardian. “Even in Raqqa. But they are very smart. They have made plans for all of this. They are investing a lot in sending their people to Europe, and it won’t be over soon. You’ve seen them throughout their history. Whenever they are being beaten, they lay low. They will come back later. They still have their ideology.”
US and Russia are now working together in the fight against terriorsm. This is literally the first time they are working together since world war two will be interesting to see if this works
The US and Russia have agreed a peace deal for Syria, with a nationwide ceasefire between government forces and rebel groups set to begin early next week. Speaking in Geneva in the early hours of Saturday, US Secretary of State John Kerry said the agreement would be a “turning point” for the war-torn country if implemented, and suggested it could also lead at last to the removal of President Bashar al-Assad.
Mr Kerry said the plan was intended "to reduce violence, ease suffering and resume movement towards a negotiated peace and a political transition in Syria."
READ MORE Boris Johnson welcomes US and Russia agreement over Syria The arrangement is set to go into effect with a cessation of hostilities from sunset next Monday, 12 September, between the Syrian government forces of President Bashar al-Assad, who is supported by Russia, and US-backed opposition rebels. The deal requires both the rebels and the regime in Damascus “to meet their obligations,” Mr Kerry said.
Despite simmering tensions between Washington and Moscow, the US and Russian militaries will then work together to target Islamic State forces and the al-Nusra Front, the al-Qaeda affiliate that is operating in Syria. Mr Kerry insisted the terror groups would have to be pursued “not indiscriminately, but in a systematic way.”
The agreement calls for Assad to ground his air force over opposition areas and halt combat missions against specified rebel forces. Following a period of calm and attempts to gather intelligence on the two terror groups, the US and Russia then plan to launch joint air strikes against Isis and the al-Nusra Front.
READ MORE Fake antiquities flood out of Syria as smugglers fail to steal masterpieces amid the chaos of war Isis reportedly evacuates headquarters in last Aleppo stronghold as Turkish and Kurdish forces advance 'What is Aleppo?': Libertarian Party presidential candidate sets a new bar for ignorance on the US campaign trail Aleppo 'chlorine' attack: Disturbing video of child injured in strikes emerges Friday’s negotiations at a hotel in Geneva had stretched long into the night. Mr Kerry announced the agreement shortly after Saturday at a joint press conference with Russia’s foreign minister Sergey Lavrov, who confirmed the deal and emphasised that Assad’s government was prepared to comply with its terms.
“This is not the end of the journey, this is the very start of our new relations,” Mr Lavrov said. “We hope that all those who sincerely value peace, who cherish a Syrian, multinational, multi-confessional state, will support our agreement."
The marathon meeting was the fourth such encounter between US and Russian diplomats in the past fortnight, as the world strained to see whether there might at last be a formula for ending the five-year civil war in Syria, which has already claimed 500,000 lives and triggered the largest refugee crisis since the Second World War.
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Fighting between rebels and Assad’s forces has recently reached new levels of ferociousness in and around the divided northern city of Aleppo, where human rights groups report the conflict has claimed more than 700 civilian lives in the last 40 days, including 165 children. The deal calls for unimpeded humanitarian access to all of Syria’s worst afflicted areas, including Aleppo.
"The suffering that we have witnessed in Syria over the course of five years now is really beyond inhumane," Mr Kerry said. "If this arrangement holds, then we will see a significant reduction in violence across Syria. We’ll see humanitarian aid deliveries go forward in Aleppo, wherever the need is the greatest. And after a period of reduced violence, then we will see the US and Russia taking coordinated steps to isolate and defeat the terrorist groups that have added immeasurably to Syria’s suffering and misery. And we will facilitate a political transition, which is the only way to bring about a durable end to this war."
Maybe if the little fucking drones put down their iphones they might learn something useful....pick up a book, learn how to do things that don't happen on a touch screen.
I don't get the use of social justice as a snarl word. I don't see anything wrong with seeking equal rights and justice for all people.
They can sit and look at Instagram, dreaming of their non-existant middle class futures. I work with some young kids, 23,24, while they know what they majored in fairly well, outside of that their knowledge can be quite -shall we say- lacking.
I don't get the use of social justice as a snarl word. I don't see anything wrong with seeking equal rights and justice for all people.
I don't know anyone personally who doesn't want equal rights and justice for all people. Nothing wrong with "social justice," in theory, it is just the emotion driven fact neglecting craziness it brings.
Since you don't agree with the type of action taking place in recent news stories, what kind of action would you support?
It would be like saying you believe in a criminal justice system...in theory. But not in action. How would it work then?
jus·tice
noun
1. just behavior or treatment.
Well I do have a problem with the criminal justice system in action sometimes so...
The action I would support? Any action that includes acknowledgement of facts, looking at stats and data objectively, emotion is left out and the use of critical thinking but you can't cure stupid so I don't see that happening
A Harvard Student in 2014 wrote an essayed titled
The Doctrine of Academic Freedom: Let’s give up on academic freedom in favor of justice
Lol yeah tried to nip the counter argument in th butt early to avoid a five page discussion
i fucking love auto-correct. it makes for accidental great sentences like this one
Counterargument* and bud*
Good looks Helen. I should proof read what I write when Ivan my phone but you know.
And good looks refers to good looking out and not an unwanted compliment which of course would be sexual harassment and by some definitions a form of rape
Lol yeah tried to nip the counter argument in th butt early to avoid a five page discussion
i fucking love auto-correct. it makes for accidental great sentences like this one
Counterargument* and bud*
Good looks Helen. I should proof read what I write when Ivan my phone but you know.
Hey Ivan, my phone and tablet does the same. Someday they're going to get me into big trouble.
Quote:
And good looks refers for good looking out and not an unwanted compliment which of course would be sexual harassment and by some definitions a form of rape
As the author points out, academic freedom is an illusion anyway because all professors have to edit their curriculum for time. On top of that, you have professors with their own personal agenda, some liberal, some conservative, that they work into their curriculum. She cited one professor that taught some quack theory about how people are biologically predetermined to behave by their ethnic background, and how another professor taught that women get raped because they're not "ladylike".
Also, there have been conservative groups on college campuses for decades trying to regulate professors into moving their curriculum to the right politically, such as David Horowitz's group, "Students For Academic Freedom", which is really just a front to push for a right wing curriculum.
The author just believes in fighting fire with fire. I can understand that.
The author points out that the right already has their means of controlling the curriculum, and that the left might as well get into the fight. It's a good point.
Fox News’ Megyn Kelly has signed with powerhouse publicity firm 42West. At a time of transition for the cable news network, its star anchor’s contract will be up for renewal next year.
Meanwhile, former Fox News host Gretchen Carlson signed with PMK*BNC earlier this month.
Please, please, please Megyn. Sign with me! You can have everything I have. You can have my organs, my blood.
North Carolina Governor Planted Questions From Fake Reporters To Avoid Answering Ones About Anti-LGBT Law
The Charlotte Observer reports that North Carolina governor Pat McCrory’s campaign planted three fake “press” questions at a recent event to keep that newspaper from inquiring about the millions of dollars of revenue lost by the state after its passage of the anti-LGBT House Bill 2.
McCrory and the state legislation have continually attempted to wipe away doubts and concerns from the LGBT community and local business owners over the ill effects of the law since its passing; while recent decisions by the NBA, NCAA, and ACC have had little effect on McCrory’s feelings on the matter, a recent report from the Charlotte Observer shows the governor’s staff is feeling the heat.
According to the Observer, McCrory’s camp planted three questions under the guise of being presubmitted by that newspaper at a recent event for Charlotte business owners. When editorial page editor Taylor Batten attempted to step in and ask a question, McCrory brushed him off, claiming the previous trio of questions was enough from the state’s most-read newspaper.
When the moderator asked how to get started, McCrory said, “Anything you like. No filter here.” Sure, who needs a filter when you posed the questions yourself?
When I tried to ask McCrory a question, the filter went up. “We’ve got three Observer questions answered already. I think you guys dominate the news enough.”
Of course, those weren’t Observer questions. They were softballs from his staff about what he wanted to do with his next term; how he wanted to reduce the state’s rape kit backlog; and how the state crime lab performed under McCrory’s opponent, Roy Cooper.
Batten confirmed the questions were planted by the McCrory staff in speaking with Ricky Diaz, a campaign spokesperson. Diaz claimed the questions were inserted as an attempt to, in his words, “keep the conversation format going.”
I agree with Dude about the extreme social justice types of people. He had the perfect description...."fact ignoring and emotional". They undermine whatever they are trying to accomplish by ignoring facts.
For example...police brutality and harassment is a real issue as most Black men REGARDLESS of other socio economic factors will readily tell you(and cite personal examples). BUT...using the name/image of Mike Brown to highlight police brutality/harassment is a mistake.
Facts point to him getting shot down while in physical confrontation with a police officer. He's no martyr, he's a clown who was caught on camera minutes earlier robbing goods and assaulting a clerk.
I'd agree that the extremes of any movement can be assholes. I don't think it just applies to people seeking social justice. I'm a big believer in the horseshoe theory when it comes to political continuum: If we travel far-left enough, we find the very same sneering, nasty and reckless bully-boy tactics used by the far-right.
But related to your point above on police brutality, you have assholes that summarily dismiss the Eric Garner case when it comes to police brutality. Which tends to tell us more about them than it does about the actual issue.
I'd agree that the extremes of any movement can be assholes. I don't think it just applies to people seeking social justice. I'm a big believer in the horseshoe theory when it comes to political continuum: If we travel far-left enough, we find the very same sneering, nasty and reckless bully-boy tactics used by the far-right.
But related to your point above on police brutality, you have assholes that summarily dismiss the Eric Garner case when it comes to police brutality. Which tends to tell us more about them than it does about the actual issue.
I like and agree with the horseshoe theory.
Yes, there are people who have blinders on when to comes to open shut cases of police brutality and/or murder. Like I said in earlier discussion about Eric Garner case...the cop was choking a corpse after a certain point. It stopped being about "detaining and arresting" Eric Garner long before he died.
I have no words for or feelings toward people who obviously don't see me as a human being(or other Black men as human beings).The feeling is mutual.
I agree with Dude about the extreme social justice types of people. He had the perfect description...."fact ignoring and emotional".
There is far more fact ignoring and emotion among white activists than there is among black activists.
Well, specifically related to the BLM movement. Not sure of the racial or ethnic breakdown of the "activists", but every time there is news coverage you see people of different backgrounds out there. And the movement itself is funded by George Soros, who has an Eastern European background.
Tulsa Police Say Man Had No Gun; Video Shows He Had Hands Up
An unarmed black man killed by a white Oklahoma officer who was responding to a stalled vehicle can be seen in police video walking away from officers and toward his SUV with his hands up before he approaches the driver's side door, where he drops to the ground after being shocked with a stun gun then fatally shot.
In Tulsa police helicopter footage that was among several clips released Monday showing the shooting of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher and its aftermath, a man in the helicopter that arrives above the scene as Crutcher walks to the vehicle can be heard saying "time for a Taser." He then says: "That looks like a bad dude, too. Probably on something."
Police Chief Chuck Jordan announced before the video and audio recordings' release that Crutcher had no weapon on him or in his SUV when he was shot Friday. It's not clear from the footage what led Betty Shelby, the officer who fired the fatal shot, to draw her gun or what orders officers might have given Crutcher. Local and federal investigations are underway to determine whether criminal charges are warranted in the shooting or if Crutcher's civil rights were violated.
Dude was criticizing the "emotion driven fact neglecting craziness" among BLM. I'm pointing out that this is tenfold among modern day white activists, such as the tea party, Trump supporters, etc. If we're going to discuss fact neglecting and emotion in political movements, I don't see why we're only sample sizing BLM, when they aren't even the worst example in modern day politics.
You implied those things. You criticized "social justice", which is, by definition "justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society".
polls are not always right guys brexit all polls and bookies saying we would stay and we left even the exit polls were saying a remain victory there was one guy who lost 100k i think betting on it he was convinced we would remain anyone who could predict brexit would happen could have made millions there was some stockbrokers who made a killing but most did not expect it to happen bookies all saying clinton at the moment. Alot of similarities between this and trump alot of people who voted leave were doing it as a fuck you to the government same with trump establishment dont like him so he will get support out of that.
Clintons supporters alot of them are young right? she will win if they actually vote most young people today dont vote and then get angry when the result comes in.
Dude didn't write what you said he did.Which is why you weren't able to quote him saying it. I was the one who agreed with his criticisms of social justice movements in general, and fringe elements of those movements specifically. I was the one who applied that criticism to those protesting police brutality in general and BLM specifically.
Dude was referring to "social justice", and that is a direct quote. BLM being included in his definition of social justice is my interpretation of his argument, and it hasn't changed. You interpret it however you like.
You implied those things. You criticized "social justice", which is, by definition "justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society".
You're doing the very same thing you accuse others of doing. When we respond to the logical implications of what you write, you're usual response is, "I never wrote that" (or some variation). Except in Dude's case you really are reading in things that he not only never wrote, but never implied.
Tulsa Police Say Man Had No Gun; Video Shows He Had Hands Up
An unarmed black man killed by a white Oklahoma officer who was responding to a stalled vehicle can be seen in police video walking away from officers and toward his SUV with his hands up before he approaches the driver's side door, where he drops to the ground after being shocked with a stun gun then fatally shot.
In Tulsa police helicopter footage that was among several clips released Monday showing the shooting of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher and its aftermath, a man in the helicopter that arrives above the scene as Crutcher walks to the vehicle can be heard saying "time for a Taser." He then says: "That looks like a bad dude, too. Probably on something."
Police Chief Chuck Jordan announced before the video and audio recordings' release that Crutcher had no weapon on him or in his SUV when he was shot Friday. It's not clear from the footage what led Betty Shelby, the officer who fired the fatal shot, to draw her gun or what orders officers might have given Crutcher. Local and federal investigations are underway to determine whether criminal charges are warranted in the shooting or if Crutcher's civil rights were violated.
This video gives a statement by the Tulsa police chief followed by a helicopter view of the incident, then a statement by Terence Crutcher's sister.
Very sad and disturbing. I can't come up with a reason why Officer Betty Shelby would shoot and kill an unarmed man down on the ground following a Taser shot. Did she intend to grab her Taser and pull out her gun by mistake? From other reports it appears that none of the ground officers had body cams, so we won't get to see what happened from their perspective.
I can't come up with a reason why Officer Betty Shelby would shoot and kill an unarmed man down on the ground following a Taser shot.
I could.
Im sure you could. Fact is police kill around 45 percent white people per yer, around 22 percent black. So technically police kill twice as many white per year. Of course the media doesn't want to report that because they are the main proponent's of racism. They stir it up to boost headlines and the sheeple that believe are brainwashed and follow them like good little sheeple and don't think for themselves. Don't believe that? Go try to speak your mind in Syria, Somalia, Yemen. Say one thing against their way of thinking they won't care to shoot you unarmed, and if the media reports it they will kill the media, their family and anyone that speaks out against it. Fact. America has gotten to be too feminized. A 180 degree turn from the WW2 era America that was strong and United.
I can't come up with a reason why Officer Betty Shelby would shoot and kill an unarmed man down on the ground following a Taser shot.
I could.
Im sure you could. Fact is police kill around 45 percent white people per yer, around 22 percent black. So technically police kill twice as many white per year. Of course the media doesn't want to report that because they are the main proponent's of racism. They stir it up to boost headlines and the sheeple that believe are brainwashed and follow them like good little sheeple and don't think for themselves. Don't believe that? Go try to speak your mind in Syria, Somalia, Yemen. Say one thing against their way of thinking they won't care to shoot you unarmed, and if the media reports it they will kill the media, their family and anyone that speaks out against it. Fact. America has gotten to be too feminized. A 180 degree turn from the WW2 era America that was strong and United.
I'm aware of the stats, but they are irrelevant to the facts of individual cases. Each case is separate and has to be judged on its own merits. To me, this one didn't cut it.
You could say if a someone is down from a taser then is shot that it doesn't make sense. But I could say not all things make sense concerning the police especially if they are scared.
My ex son in law was a fucking cop then an air traffic controller and then a cop again. I was afraid of bullets when he was a cop. Then afraid of getting hit by a plane when he was a controller and then bullets again
I think the worse thing that ever happened was when Police went from to the revolver to the semi automatic that could fire a lot of rounds before they have to reload.
Especially dangerous when you have a lot of cops together. They stop aiming and hide behind a wall and they just keep firing to they all run out of bullets. If an innocent person happens to walk into that line of Fire goodbye. See you in the next life.
The funny thing about Oak is nothing ever happened to him for him to hate cops?
Maybe a cop abused his mommy and daddy I hope so they deserved it for not aborting him when they had the chance.
You could say if a someone is down from a taser then is shot that it doesn't make sense. But I could say not all things make sense concerning the police especially if they are scared.
My ex son in law was a fucking cop then an air traffic controller and then a cop again. I was afraid of bullets when he was a cop. Then afraid of getting hit by a plane when he was a controller and then bullets again
I think the worse thing that ever happened was when Police went from to the revolver to the semi automatic that could fire a lot of rounds before they have to reload.
Especially dangerous when you have a lot of cops together. They stop aiming and hide behind a wall and they just keep firing to they all run out of bullets. If an innocent person happens to walk into that line of Fire goodbye. See you in the next life.
The funny thing about Oak is nothing ever happened to him for him to hate cops?
Maybe a cop abused his mommy and daddy I hope so they deserved it for not aborting him when they had the chance.
I'm guessing nothing beyond a speeding ticket has happened to Oaks. But he's a liberal hack who has to go with the liberal narrative. And that's always assuming the worst of police and making them out to be the problem, while routinely defending and making excuses for thugs and criminals, especially minority ones.
Dude was referring to "social justice", and that is a direct quote. BLM being included in his definition of social justice is my interpretation of his argument, and it hasn't changed. You interpret it however you like.
I never made reference to BLM nor did I attempt to define what social justice you did that. I postee on how you can how receive a degree In it and how I think it is a waste to get a degree in it. Where did I even attempt to define social justice? I looked back at this thread and didn't see it if you could please quote me so I can see what you are referencing.
The funny thing about Oak is nothing ever happened to him for him to hate cops?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Niemöller quote impressed he is a interesting guy alot of people have different opinions on him and his real motives
lol your comparing the police in the US to the Nazis i know the police in the US are no saints and have some serious problems i even know that as a foreigner with all the shootings lately. I dont get why some of the police in the US drive around like they are in Iraq with the amount of weapons they have on them then again everyone has guns in the US guess they need the protection.
There is some countries where the police literally just kill people for no reason like in the Philippians out there loads of the police and army are major drug traffickers of course some people (including people on this site) think it is ok for them to round up known drug dealers and shoot them. Now all the drug traffickers are getting killed who is dealing the drugs? its the police.
I like knives as well for self protection. I just got a Randall 14 nice knife but a little top heavy for my taste. I prefer a smaller blade about 7 inches with a sub hilt gripe harder to knock out of your hand when you really need it. Great thing is you don't run out of bullets.
Fair enough, Dude. If you really don't want me to believe you were referring to BLM, then I won't.
I don't care what you believe some people live in reality some don't.
This:
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Dude was criticizing the "emotion driven fact neglecting craziness" among BLM.
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I don't see why we're only sample sizing BLM
Never happened that is in your head. I am not making my assessment solely on your beloved BLM.
I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse and I know this will be hard to wrap your head around but I was talking broadly about social justice.
If a movement or "ism" doesn't follow this (which was from my original response) :
Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
acknowledgment of facts, looking at stats and data objectively, emotion is left out and the use of critical thinking
Then I have a problem with them.
And unlike you (as it seems) for me doesn't matter if they are; white, black, brown, yellow, purple, green, men, women, trans, nonbinary, straight, gay, asexual, Christian, Muslim, Wiccan, Pastafarian, Agnostic, Atheist (though I usually agree), conservative, liberal, anarchist, libertarian, centrist, fat, skinny, vegan, vegetarian, fruitarian, gluten sensitive or a ginger
I can't come up with a reason why Officer Betty Shelby would shoot and kill an unarmed man down on the ground following a Taser shot.
I could.
Im sure you could. Fact is police kill around 45 percent white people per yer, around 22 percent black. So technically police kill twice as many white per year. Of course the media doesn't want to report that because they are the main proponent's of racism. They stir it up to boost headlines and the sheeple that believe are brainwashed and follow them like good little sheeple and don't think for themselves. Don't believe that? Go try to speak your mind in Syria, Somalia, Yemen. Say one thing against their way of thinking they won't care to shoot you unarmed, and if the media reports it they will kill the media, their family and anyone that speaks out against it. Fact. America has gotten to be too feminized. A 180 degree turn from the WW2 era America that was strong and United.
I'm aware of the stats, but they are irrelevant to the facts of individual cases. Each case is separate and has to be judged on its own merits. To me, this one didn't cut it.
Very educated reply. I wish the media would do the same. Here are the list and incidents of the 706 people killed so far in 2016 and a summary of their confrontation with cops. If you can find a pattern of killing unarmed blacks more than any other race, hats off to you................https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/
The difference is that the white people shot by the police really did charge at the officers.
Thought we were looking at individual instances. Now all of a sudden every white person killed by the police "charged" at them? Wow. We can see the real racist here. Bunch all the whites killed by cops together do we?
Typically white people have to try really hard to get shot by the police. Usually a suicide by cop situation.
Well you know them white folks boss, we try extra hard, even when it comes to getting killed by police. God them white folks, so simple typical people. Subhuman right?
I'm aware of the stats, but they are irrelevant to the facts of individual cases. Each case is separate and has to be judged on its own merits. To me, this one didn't cut it.
Very educated reply. I wish the media would do the same. Here are the list and incidents of the 706 people killed so far in 2016 and a summary of their confrontation with cops. If you can find a pattern of killing unarmed blacks more than any other race, hats off to you................https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/
I'm aware of the stats, but they are irrelevant to the facts of individual cases. Each case is separate and has to be judged on its own merits. To me, this one didn't cut it.
Very educated reply. I wish the media would do the same. Here are the list and incidents of the 706 people killed so far in 2016 and a summary of their confrontation with cops. If you can find a pattern of killing unarmed blacks more than any other race, hats off to you................https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/
You deserve at least one educated reply
I thought I would have gotten 2 or 3 at least, but I should've known better, Thanks Rick. I can always count on you to disagree with me, but at least your replies are from an intelligent educated standpoint. And I respect that.
After reading your post about feminism being to blame for false rape allegations, so do I.
No, I'm done giving you a free education. If you want me to do your homework it's going to cost you $$$. Anyway, when I point out your (many) errors you tend to ignore what I wrote and continue as if nothing happened, so why bother?
I knew a teacher at a public school because he officiated a lot of soccer games in HS and in other leagues. I used to talk to him a lot.
I heard he was suspended from teaching because a female Hstudent accused him of groping her.
He was married and had kids of his own. He is trying to convince me she was lying.
Then I told him this whether your guilty or innocence is immaterial. People will always think your guilty. Your going to hurt your wife and your kids no matter what.
So I told him to do the right thing. He did not know what I meant so I told him. I said buy a rope and hang yourself.
JACKSON, Ga. -- A Jackson Police Officer faces multiple charges after lying about being shot, according to the GBI.
Officer Sherry Hall is charged with false statements, tampering with evidence, interference with government property and violation of oath office for reporting that she was shot on September 13 in Camilla Court.
She reported that she was patrolling an area when she noticed a male suspect on the side of the road. Hall said that the man became argumentative and fired one round at her, which struck her bullet-proof vest but did not penetrate it.
According to Nelly Miles with the GBI, preliminary evidence now shows that it "looks like" she shot herself. There is no, and never was, a suspect shooter at large.
The GBI recovered video and audio evidence from her patrol car's camera and found inconsistencies with Hall's statements, witness statements, and evidence.
Authorities spent 600 hours on the investigation.
According to the GBI, they then conducted another interview with Hall and at that point she stopped cooperating with the investigation. It was later revealed that Hall failed to tell the GBI she had an additional handgun issued to her by the police department. They found the gun inside her residence.
Neighbors that lived near where the incident occurred said they didn't leave their homes unless absolutely necessary in the days after. Now that they know the officer lied, they feel betrayed.
"I was a little worried," said Jake Smith, who lives in Camilla Court. "I was hoping that she got better and hoping the best for her."
Dollie Collier, another neighbor, said the whole story Hall told didn't make sense, so she's not surprised it's a lie.
"It sounded the same," Collier said. "I just said last night, if it was supposed to be two different guns, why does both shots sound the same?"
Hall told officials, including Butts County Sheriff Gary Long, that the suspect shot her and she returned two shots back.
"A lot of times humans make mistakes," Long said. "We expect mistakes to be made and cops are just that. This is not a mistake. This is a criminal."
Neighbors said the stories about a black male suspect on the loose started a controversy in Jackson.
"Police were harassing a lot of people," said Smith. "Anybody that so called fit the description. They were harassing them. Taking them down to the jail questioning them when it's not true."
For a few days Collier was scared to follow her normal routine because she was afraid of the so-called shooter.
"It had me kind of scared in the morning time," Collier said. "Because when I get up around 3, 3:30, preparing for work. I brush my teeth, wash my face and I come on the porch and smoke me a cigarette. Now that's it happened. I'm thinking there's a shooter on the loose. I stay in and smoke my cigarette. But now that they found the truth, I can come on the porch now."
For now, many citizens have questions going through their minds.
"Why would you even?" asked Smith. "That's a big question. Why? What was the whole point of coming into the neighborhood and then came up with a false story and everything. Why? What's the point of doing that."
Hall is now in a private facility after turning herself in. She will go to the Butts County Jail once released. Currently she is on administrative leave.
Can you imagine if you "fit the description" in that area the days following the shooting? Can you imagine what else this cop lied about, if she could lie about getting shot?
I am in full favor of HD CCTV everywhere and law enforcement being required to wear bodycams, and cams turned on in patrol cars.
Protects police from false allegations, and protects citizens from rogue cops.
I think cops get overtime for testifying in court or something, so with hd footage of events, you'd have less need for police testimony so of course their unions will fight that tooth and nail.
Al Sharpton once was asked why he always showed up for these things. He said the cops have the unions paying for their lawyers. The black people accused usually have no money for lawyers so his organization has the money.
That actually makes a lot of sense to me. But rioting is stupid.
Al Sharpton once was asked why he always showed up for these things. He said the cops have the unions paying for their lawyers. The black people accused usually have no money for lawyers so his organization has the money.
That actually makes a lot of sense to me. But rioting is stupid.
Foot,
Al Sharpton used these types of events to raise his profile. Him appearing would normally guarantee that national news media picked up the story and that local officials were under a bigger spotlight.
His organization never paid attorney's fees for the victim's families. If anything he took kickbacks from ambulance chasers who lined up to take the (civil)cases filed by victim's families.
Money grab for Sharpton....either short term or long term, as it helps raise his profile as a "Black spokesman" I used to support Rev. Sharpton but I finally got wise to his game.
Nobody works for free.
Rioting is stupid though.For the same reason that terrorist attacks are wrong. Innocent people shouldn't suffer because of issues you have with SPECIFIC actions done by specific people.
Al Sharpton once was asked why he always showed up for these things. He said the cops have the unions paying for their lawyers. The black people accused usually have no money for lawyers so his organization has the money.
That actually makes a lot of sense to me. But rioting is stupid.
Foot,
Al Sharpton used these types of events to raise his profile. Him appearing would normally guarantee that national news media picked up the story and that local officials were under a bigger spotlight.
His organization never paid attorney's fees for the victim's families. If anything he took kickbacks from ambulance chasers who lined up to take the (civil)cases filed by victim's families.
Money grab for Sharpton....either short term or long term, as it helps raise his profile as a "Black spokesman" I used to support Rev. Sharpton but I finally got wise to his game.
Nobody works for free.
Rioting is stupid though.For the same reason that terrorist attacks are wrong. Innocent people shouldn't suffer because of issues you have with SPECIFIC actions done by specific people.
So you support Al Sharpton knowing he was a snitch for the FBI?
I like Sharpton's sweat suits he used to wear. He and his group were all over the marine park area of Brooklyn after a black kid was beat up in Gerrisen beach years ago. He thought it was white Irish kids that did it.
So he arrives with 4 bus loads of black people first in Gerrisen beach. I thought it was to cause trouble. But I thought those Irish kids were trouble so let fight good.
Well no Irish kids were around that day. There was a rec soccer club who use the same fields where the kid was beat up called All American. I helped them start a travel club in those days. So I knew about it. There was a pretty good Sicilian pizza place around their knaap street that I liked it sucks now.
So then they visited Marine park. I use to live on East 36 street short walk to the marine park field. There was never trouble there people live and let live i would go there to play soccer and I like to just sit in the park there.
Sharpton next stop I saw him their. They made believe they went their to play softball hoping to be confronted by the white people. Years before black people came to the park to play cricket and to barbecue with the little portable grills. To spend the day having fun with their families.
When they first showed up I watch the game. So I asked them the rules it is pretty much like baseball if I remember right. I thought that was interesting they were ok. I asked them why they came here and not where they lived. They told me it was not safe to be in parks that were near them anymore. I could see that happening.
So back to my story after 40 mintes Sharpton and his group gone.
Next they wound up at Kings plaza. I would go there all the time because I made money there. That is where I first talked to Sharpton in his jump suit. I noticed all they did was window shop without buying anything. The stores were only opened for an hour or less. Oh yes they had no young kids with them. So I said I told him I saw him at marine park why did you leave so soon? Then 20 minutes later they all left. Never to return.
I will say this at Marine park or at Kings plaza I did not notice any reporters.
JACKSON, Ga. -- A Jackson Police Officer faces multiple charges after lying about being shot, according to the GBI.
Officer Sherry Hall is charged with false statements, tampering with evidence, interference with government property and violation of oath office for reporting that she was shot on September 13 in Camilla Court.
Well she probably saw Training Day and were friends with Tawana Brawley.
I bet you she is probably a bad driver being a cop and a women.
I would say like Oak but his mother drives him every where she thinks he needs to go. Maybe to a protest no no protests for him. He watches them on TV where it's safe
JACKSON, Ga. -- A Jackson Police Officer faces multiple charges after lying about being shot, according to the GBI.
Officer Sherry Hall is charged with false statements, tampering with evidence, interference with government property and violation of oath office for reporting that she was shot on September 13 in Camilla Court.
It looks like the "Blue Wall of Silence" is slowly starting to erode.
It's in best interest of community and law enforcement to root out rogue cops. I think the manufacturer of the recording devices in their squad cars had to help investigators retrieve data that she tried to hide/conceal.
Hall’s account continued to come apart as investigators and law enforcement officials spent more than 600 hours examining the case, Wooten said.
At first, she said she failed to “engage her in-car video and audio,” so there was no evidence to back her up. But Wooten said the manufacturer helped recover digital forensic evidence that showed “inconsistencies.”
After Hall was again interviewed, she stopped cooperating with the GBI.
With cameras, it's not up to cops to tell on other cops, which is another reason I think police unions are fighting mandatory recording.
There are some legitimate concerns about the use of cameras: 1) Often, because of where they're worn, they don't always show much beyond the officer's hands holding a weapon, which blocks the view of the suspect; 2) They're on when an officer has to use the bathroom, and no one wants to see or hear all that; 3) They're also expensive. Not the cameras themselves, but the monitoring and editing (for FOIA requests certain portions that violate privacy, etc., have to be redacted). Nevertheless, I still think they're necessary, but budgets have to be increased (meaning more taxes) to pay for all that.
I think money will eventually be the determining factor.The factor in camera use being mandatory. Not sure exactly how police departments are insured but the insurance companies are going to push for mandatory cameras as part of the policy. A few large civil lawsuit settlements will move things in this direction.
I agree that there would be monitoring/maintenance costs but in 2016 moving forward, I can't see those costs being enough to justify not using cameras. Record the shift, automatically upload to cloud for storage(logged)(timestamped)....repeat. Retrieve if there is a discrepancy or complaint.
I'm guessing that if there are foolproof cameras rolling every minute of s shift, lot of this lying,fudging evidence will stop. Good cops won't have to be smeared by the actions of these bad apples. A better relationship is possible with the community because cops are as accountable for their actions as citizens are.
People say, if you don't have anything to hide...why get upset when cop stops you. If cops aren't breaking the law, why are they fighting against mandatory recording.
Missile That Downed Flight MH17 Brought From Russia: Investigators
International prosecutors say Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was downed over eastern Ukraine in 2014 by a Buk missile that had come from Russia.
They also narrowed down the area it was fired from to a field in territory controlled by Russian-backed rebels.
All 298 people on board the Boeing 777 died when it broke apart in mid-air flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
Russia says it cannot accept the findings as the final truth, saying no Russian weapons were taken to Ukraine.
"Based on the criminal investigation, we have concluded that flight MH17 was downed by a Buk missile of the series 9M83 that came from the territory of the Russian Federation," chief Dutch police investigator Wilbert Paulissen told a news conference on Wednesday.
The missile had been taken from Russia to rebel-held Ukraine in the morning of 17 July, when the plane was shot down, and the launcher was taken back to Russia the next day, he said.
The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) has also narrowed the missile launch site down to a specific field near the village of Pervomaiskyi, which was then in rebel hands.
It was not "Russia" who took down the plan its the rebels fighting on Ukraine who are getting weapons from Russia. Awful what happened but who are the west to judge we are no better groups backed in Syria US backed beheaded a 7 year old boy on camera of course US said it was awful and it was investigating nothing happened. Or the fact US sells weapons to African countries who murder tens of thousands or sell weapons to Saudia Arabia who murder thousands of its own people US are the biggest arms dealers in the world hypocrites
Sad truth is the US and Russia are as bad as each other of course Russian media makes the west the bad guys just like the Western media blames Russia for everything its all bullshit
That is half the people who were on that train. Poor women got it while standing on the platform. Sometimes it is better not to have a family then subject them to that kind of sorrow.
The US is trying to spare a jihadist group in its attempts to unseat Syria's President Bashar al-Assad, Russia's foreign minister has told the BBC. Sergei Lavrov said the US had broken its promise to separate the powerful Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (formerly known as al-Nusra Front) and other extremist groups from more moderate rebels. Jabhat Fateh al-Sham is linked to al-Qaeda. A US state department spokesman said the Russian allegations were "absurd". Mark Toner told journalists that the US had not targeted al-Nusra for months because they had become "intermingled" with other groups and civilians. And he accused the Russians of forcing moderate elements within the Syrian opposition into the hands of extremists with their attacks. Mr Lavrov was speaking to Stephen Sackur on BBC World News TV on the first anniversary of the beginning of the Russian air campaign in Syria. "They [the US] pledged solemnly to take as a priority an obligation to separate the opposition from Nusra," he said. "They still, in spite of many repeated promises and commitments... are not able or not willing to do this and we have more and more reasons to believe that from the very beginning the plan was to spare Nusra and to keep it just in case for Plan B or stage two when it would be time to change the regime." Watch the BBC interview in full.
No credible 'plan B' - Diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus Mr Lavrov says that it is US policy towards Syria that is floundering, insisting that American officials have lost control of both events and of themselves. There is an element of truth here - at least in policy terms. The US has no real alternative to Secretary of State John Kerry's efforts to deal with the Russians. There is no credible "plan B". Mr Lavrov's central message - that Washington has refused to press its allies to separate themselves from the Islamists of al-Nusra ignores the fact that it is Russia's air campaign that is pushing rebel groups into al-Nusra's arms. Mr Lavrov's contention that the US is preserving al-Nusra, hoping eventually to use it to change the regime, will prompt gasps of condemnation in Washington. But Mr Lavrov implicitly highlights a perennial difficulty for Washington - its search for a moderate opposition of sufficient critical mass to influence the battlefield. Who are Jabhat Fateh al-Sham? How Moscow’s Syria campaign has paid off Aleppo remains thorn in government's side Why truce was doomed to fail Jump media playerMedia player helpOut of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Media captionRussia's claim is "absurd", says State Department spokesman Mark Toner A recent US-Russian deal was meant to lead to joint Russian-US air strikes on the Islamic State group and Jabhat Fateh al-Sham. But many of the more moderate rebel groups that the US backs have formed a strategic alliance with the more powerful Jabhat Fateh al-Sham and now fight alongside it. Mr Lavrov said: "We believe that the Russian-American deal must be put into effect. For this the only thing which is necessary is to separate the opposition from Nusra. If it is supported by the United States, not on paper but in real life, and then we will insist on an immediate cessation of hostilities." Nusra Front fightersImage copyrightAP Image caption Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (formerly known as al-Nusra Front) is one of the more powerful rebel groups in Syria Syrian civilians and rescuers search for survivors following air strikes in the rebel held neighbourhood of Al-Shaar in Aleppo, 27 September 2016Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES Image caption Eastern Aleppo has come under intense aerial bombardment for the past week The United Nations says 400 civilians, including many children, have been killed in the besieged city of Aleppo during the past week as a result of bombardment by Russian and Syrian government forces. Mr Lavrov insisted Russia was helping President Assad's forces to "fight terrorists". And he accused the West of staying quiet about civilian suffering in Aleppo when it was expecting the city to fall to the rebels after the Nusra group moved in and cut supply lines to the civilian population. "We had many pauses, many humanitarian pauses during this year... 48 hours, 72 hours at the request of the United Nations. "Every time these pauses have been used by Nusra to get from abroad more fighters, more ammunition and more weapons. There must be some first step and we have to get our priorities right. "Humanitarian things are very important and we are doing everything now together with the Syrian government to help the United Nations to get weekly pauses in Aleppo to deliver humanitarian goods. It's the Nusra-controlled people in eastern Aleppo who refuse to do this." Jump media playerMedia player helpOut of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Media captionA rescuer sobs as he pulls out alive a month-old baby girl from what is said to be the aftermath of an air strike in Idlib Jump media playerMedia player helpOut of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Media captionAleppo: Key battleground in Syria's civil war Pressed on the civilian casualties in Aleppo allegedly caused by Russian bunker-busting bombs, phosphorus munitions and cluster bombs, he replied: "If this happens, then we are very sorry." But he insisted there had been no "meaningful proof" of this and there was a need to investigate every case. "We are not using any munition which is prohibited by the United Nations," he added. Friday saw Syrian government forces and rebels fighting in the centre of Aleppo and north of the city, a week into the Russian-backed offensive by the Syrian army to take the city and surrounding area. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group and a Syrian military official said government forces had captured territory north of Aleppo and buildings in the city centre, but rebel sources denied this.
some of you guys on here think he is a good leader........
Philippines' Duterte likens himself to Hitler, wants to kill millions of drug users
Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte appeared to liken himself to Nazi leader Adolf Hitler on Friday and said he would "be happy" to exterminate three million drug users and peddlers in the country.
Although the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama played down the remark, Duterte's comments triggered shock and anger among Jewish groups in the United States, which could create pressure on the U.S. government to take a tougher line with the Philippines leader.
U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner on Friday said Duterte's comments, in a rambling speech on his arrival in Davao City after a visit to Vietnam, were "a significant departure" from America's partnership with the Philippines "and we find them troubling."
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Duterte told reporters that he had been "portrayed to be a cousin of Hitler" by critics.
Noting that Hitler had murdered millions of Jews, Duterte said, "There are three million drug addicts (in the Philippines). I'd be happy to slaughter them.
"If Germany had Hitler, the Philippines would have ...," he said, pausing and pointing to himself.
"You know my victims. I would like (them) to be all criminals to finish the problem of my country and save the next generation from perdition."
In Washington earlier on Friday, a State Department spokeswoman, Anna Richey-Allen, had repeated concerns about reports of extrajudicial killings in the southeast Asian country but offered no response to Duterte's comment referring to Hitler.
A White House official on Friday stuck to a strategy of stressing Washington's long-standing ties with Manila, saying, "We continue to focus on our broad relationship with the Philippines and will work together in the many areas of mutual interest."
How relations between the U.S. and the Philippines evolve will depend more on what Duterte does than on what he says, administration officials have said.
In Hawaii on Friday, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter met with the defense chiefs of southeast Asian nations, including the Philippines, and U.S. officials said they would use the forum to clarify comments by Duterte that throw into doubt his commitment to military ties with the United States, including joint exercises and patrols.
Carter, speaking before Duterte's remarks in Davao, said Washington had an "ironclad" alliance with Manila.
Since Duterte took office on June 30, more than 3,100 people have been killed since then, mostly alleged drug users and dealers, in police operations and vigilante killings.
Duterte, who was elected in May on the back of a vow to end drugs and corruption in the country of 100 million people, has insulted Obama and in a number of remarks he has undermined the relationship between Manila and Washington.
On Friday, reacting to critical comments on his war on drugs by U.S. Senators Patrick Leahy and Benjamin Cardin, Duterte said: "Do not pretend to be the moral conscience of the world. Do not be the policeman because you do not have the eligibility to do that in my country."
Jewish groups quickly condemned Duterte's Hitler comments.
Rabbi Abraham Cooper, head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Digital Terrorism and Hate project, called them "outrageous".
"Duterte owes the victims (of the Holocaust) an apology for his disgusting rhetoric," Cooper said.
VIDEOOutrage as Rodrigo Duterte likens himself to Hitler The Anti-Defamation League, an international Jewish group based in the United States, said Duterte's comments were "shocking for their tone-deafness".
"The comparison of drug users and dealers to Holocaust victims is inappropriate and deeply offensive," said Todd Gutnick, the group's director of communications. "It is baffling why any leader would want to model himself after such a monster."
Duterte has said there will be no annual war games between the Philippines and the United States until the end of his six-year term, and his hostility may make Washington's strategy of rebalancing its military focus toward Asia in the face of an increasingly assertive China more difficult to achieve.
Murray Hiebert, a Southeast Asia expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank in Washington, said Obama was "taking the long view" in dealing with Duterte. Obama leaves office in January.
Malcolm Cook, a senior fellow at Singapore's ISEAS Yusof Ishak Institute, said the U.S-Philippines alliance was not necessarily at risk, but Washington could seek to focus on ties elsewhere in the region.
"We are all in some sense becoming, by necessity, desensitised to Duterte's language," he said.
"Diplomatically, the U.S. would say they'll continue to work with him and the alliance is strong. But it's whether they'll continue to strengthen that alliance or not."
A cluster of more than 200 small earthquakes beneath the Salton Sea in Southern California earlier this week has scientists waiting to see if the slumbering San Andreas fault nearby could be the next to move. The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that following the quake swarm at the Salton Sea on Monday and Tuesday, the likelihood of a magnitude-7 or greater earthquake being triggered is as high as 1 in 100 over the next seven days; the odds will lower as time goes on. But for now, local seismologists might feel their hearts racing. "When there's significant seismicity in this area of the fault, we kind of wonder if [the San Andreas] is somehow going to go active,"
British expats in Europe are suing European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker over his order to prevent informal Brexit discussions. Well done guys this guy is a bully fuck juncker.
Don’t say you weren’t warned: Aug. 21, 2017, “may turn out to be the most popular vacation-day request in history,” Michael E. Bakich writes in Discover magazine — so you may want to get that time-off request in early.
Why? Because on that date — for the first time in 99 years — a total eclipse of the sun will be visible across the United States, from sea to temporarily-not-shining sea. Millions of Americans will be in easy driving distance of a spectacle that has been called indescribable, unforgettable, even life-altering. The sun will disappear for about 2½ minutes, beginning in Oregon about 10:15 a.m. local time; the phenomenon will move eastward, ending an hour and a half later in South Carolina.
A cluster of more than 200 small earthquakes beneath the Salton Sea in Southern California earlier this week has scientists waiting to see if the slumbering San Andreas fault nearby could be the next to move. The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that following the quake swarm at the Salton Sea on Monday and Tuesday, the likelihood of a magnitude-7 or greater earthquake being triggered is as high as 1 in 100 over the next seven days; the odds will lower as time goes on. But for now, local seismologists might feel their hearts racing. "When there's significant seismicity in this area of the fault, we kind of wonder if [the San Andreas] is somehow going to go active,"
I am soooooooo GLAD that we did NOT have a big earthquake. Normally, this type of stuff doesn't bother me but I had my earthquake kit ready. I was actually scared to send my kids to school in case it hit when they weren't at home.
A 4.1 quake and under I don't get out of bed for but anything over that is pretty significant. When they're talking a 7 pointer that's massive. Cell phone service is usually inop with a 5 and power goes out so you can imagine a 7. It would be total chaos.
this was never going to go down well they had to do it but some of those guys had been trying to get into the UK for years they were understandingly going to be pissed but it had to be done it has become dangerous for lorry drivers they have been jumping on the lorries and dont like getting forced of plus they have caused havoc with the locals and constantly fighting with the police. I do feel sorry for them its sad but this had to be done. What i dont like is all these kids who are on there own thousands of them alot of them already gone missing that worries me
problem is the smugglers are telling them that if they come to UK or Germany they will be rich and they see all the movies and they are in poverty alot of these guys sad thing is they dont realize till they get here things are not great in Europe they will stil be in poverty there is a high chance they wont even get into the UK or Germany and there is also a real chance they will die on the way either getting killed or dying at sea. There countries have to do more to teach there people not to come that things are not so great over here. I can understand Syrians or Iraqis they are coming from war zones they have no choice
Gets: Just found this interview of protester from Haiti
F1,
Thanks.I agreed with about 90% of what he said. American imperialism and meddling, done in HER best interest and not in the interest of the other country... stealing natural resources and keeping other countries "poor". In my opinion, THIS is what created the anti-Western sentiment around the world and especially in the Middle East.
Haiti has natural resources but since we can't even provide clean drinking water to our people, we definitely do NOT have the infrastructure to extract and process those natural resources. Foxes are more dangerous than wolves because you can see the wolf coming miles away..so to some extent I agree with the characterization of the Clintons and by extension Dem.s as smiling charlatans. Rep.s and Dem.s are both sides of the same coin when it comes to international affairs though.
I like what the Chinese have done with the African countries. No pretense of "aiding", no "missionaries" to lull you to sleep ...just business.....we want the access to resources, we will build infrastructure to extract resources, we will build other infrastructure and that's that.
Disagreed with him saying that Clinton is responsible for so many Blacks in prison, though. Commit crime, go to jail, period.
Thanks.I agreed with about 90% of what he said. American imperialism and meddling, done in HER best interest and not in the interest of the other country... stealing natural resources and keeping other countries "poor". In my opinion, THIS is what created the anti-Western sentiment around the world and especially in the Middle East.
Haiti has natural resources but since we can't even provide clean drinking water to our people, we definitely do NOT have the infrastructure to extract and process those natural resources. Foxes are more dangerous than wolves because you can see the wolf coming miles away..so to some extent I agree with the characterization of the Clintons and by extension Dem.s as smiling charlatans. Rep.s and Dem.s are both sides of the same coin when it comes to international affairs though.
I like what the Chinese have done with the African countries. No pretense of "aiding", no "missionaries" to lull you to sleep ...just business.....we want the access to resources, we will build infrastructure to extract resources, we will build other infrastructure and that's that.
Disagreed with him saying that Clinton is responsible for so many Blacks in prison, though. Commit crime, go to jail, period.
will add more later, but thanks for the video...
Gets, I can always trust you for a valuable and balanced opinion.
F1, I appreciate you saying that. I agree with the poster who wrote that Rep.s are kicking themselves for trotting out Trump in an election that was winnable.Very few Americans are going to care about Clinton Foundation dirty dealings in foreign countries, but Hillary is vulnerable on a few issues. A more viable candidate with political experience might have made this a real race.
I think that the rise of Trump was in some ways a long con. The same media that Trump blasts now, gave him nonstop coverage during the primaries, boosted him up. Networks got the ratings and Trump got free airtime. Candidates that were making more sensible plans(and could have posed bigger threat to Clinton) got overshadowed by 24/7 Trump news. I happen to think that this was not a coincidence.
Trump allowed people to vent and when the dust settled he was the last one standing. Sometimes parents let tantrum throwing child keep doing it until they get tired. I've seen organizations and leaders channel Black people's emotions and energy the same way before so I recognized the con.
The thing with Trump is that he not only has disgruntled Republicans, but angry Democrats and Independents. On the site Quora people were asked about this, and several said that they were Democrats who were voting for him but D on everything else. Trump doesn't represent Republicans, he represents himself. He's a cult of personality. Because he's the outsider who's going to take on the Establishment they overlook his generally horrific candidacy. During the primaries polls showed that he was the one GOP candidate who would lose to Hillary. I believe the GOP candidate with the best chance to beat Hillary was Marco Rubio, but Trump's supporters didn't care.
Now we have two candidates who made promises that are impossible to pay for. Trump says Mexico will pay for multi-billion dollar wall across the Mexican border, and Hillary says all public higher education will be free. She also wants open borders and a federal minimum wage of $15 an hour, which means there will be fewer low-skilled jobs and higher unemployment with more unemployed people brought in from all over the world, and somehow there will be extra tax money to pay for free education and single-payer insurance. Oh yeah, she also says she won't increase the national debt. Hilarious.
In the meantime, both of them want to increase military spending while Medicare, Social Security and SSI are going broke.
FBI director James Comey has said the bureau is reopening its investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails.
cant get worse timing for this to happen for her Trump might actually have a chance over here everyone was saying she has basically won this will probably change things.
I feel bad for you guys in the US i dont think i could vote for either of them both are scumbags and idiots.
Sure. By the time the FBI launches the new "investigation," Clinton will already will have been sworn in as President.
Trump never got any real traction on the email scandal among swing voters--he was too wrapped up in himself to think through how he could capitalize on the issue by swaying uncommitted voters, instead of preaching to his choir. The irony is that any number of GOP candidates could easily have clobbered Clinton on the email issue alone.
Conservative radio host Mark Levin blasted Megyn Kelly and Fox News Channel on Wednesday, saying that Rupert Murdoch’s two sons, James and Lachlan, are ruining the network and Kelly is “out of control.”
“I think it’s fair to say the Fox News Channel is imploding. I think it’s fair to say the Murdoch boys, both of whom are liberals, are slowly but surely ruining that network,” Levin said. “Their top star’s Megyn Kelly. Megyn Kelly is out of control.”
Levin mocked Kelly for an old appearance on Howard Stern’s radio show by saying, “I thought she’s a journalist,” and then blamed the Fox News host for setting the stage for personal attacks during the primary election by simply asking Donald Trump a question regarding his treatment of women.
“She’s doing it again,” Levin said, referring to the recent dust-up between Kelly and Newt Gingrich that has earned her praise from mainstream media outlets and liberals, but resulted in criticism from conservatives.
Levin continued to bash Kelly and Fox News for roughly fifteen minutes. “She is auditioning, in my opinion, for a bigger forum. That’s not exactly a state secret,” Levin said of Kelly. “But please don’t pretend you’re a journalist. If this is the future of Fox, Fox will be dead.”
All of the animosity wasn’t directed at Kelly. Levin went on to call Shepard Smith a “sarcastic, snarky liberal.”
It is so entertaining to see Fox go after each other. On Hillary Clinton being investigated, FBI are investigating Anthony, and they found some of her missing emails. That is pretty bad when you mix in Anthony Wiener having a sex chat with an underage girl. That is bad.
BREAKINGWhite House: FBI boss not trying to influence election Posted at 17:27 Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, has told reporters President Barack Obama believes FBI director James Comey is a "man of integrity and good character".
DNC chairwoman helped Clinton ahead of Sanders - Wikileaks
Brazile became the DNC chairwoman on the eve of the convention in Philadelphia this summer Democratic National Committee interim chairwoman Donna Brazile has resigned as a commentator for CNN after emails revealed that she assisted the Clinton campaign during the primaries. Brazile had previously taken a leave of absence from the cable news network after the previous DNC boss resigned and she was promoted to top spot.
18 revelations from the Wikileaks hack
Emails released today by Wikileaks show that before a primary debate hosted by CNN in March, Brazile contacted the Clinton campaign to notify them about a question she and her rival, Senator Bernie Sanders, would be asked about the water crisis in Flint, Michigan.
"One of the questions directed to HRC tomorrow is from a woman with a rash," Brazile wrote to senior Clinton staff. "Her family has lead poison and she will ask what, if anything, will Hillary do as president to help the ppl of Flint."
An earlier Wikileaks release had already shown that Brazile had emailed questions to the Clinton camp, ahead of a CNN town hall event. The president does not believe he is trying to affect the election but he finds himself in a "tough spot".
The White House will neither defend nor criticise Mr Comey's decision, the spokesman added.
This puts the president at odds with Hillary Clinton, who called the Comey letter and its timing "deeply troubling".
all over the news at the moment over this election CNN must be going crazy
I know i dont live in the US so my view point will be different but i dont know how anyone can morally vote for either candidate the US has really disappointed me people over here just cant understand how the US has got into this situation why would anyone vote for these two in the primaries.
find it funny all the abuse obama gets in the US this guy has his problems but at least i always felt he was a good person Clinton and Trump really disgust me
all over the news at the moment over this election CNN must be going crazy
I know i dont live in the US so my view point will be different but i dont know how anyone can morally vote for either candidate the US has really disappointed me people over here just cant understand how the US has got into this situation why would anyone vote for these two in the primaries.
find it funny all the abuse obama gets in the US this guy has his problems but at least i always felt he was a good person Clinton and Trump really disgust me
This country has gone crazy. Tensions are high. Never seen it this bad.
I've been going back and forth, not sure who id like to see lose more. It's not that I even prefer one over the other, it's more like I'd like to see both sides lose.
I can't stand Hillary, she's the worst of the worst.
Trump is making all kinds of ridiculous promises. The extreme lunatics on the Left, have also helped fuel a small but growing authoritarian movement in the Right. Many of them backing Trump. I can go on and on, but I don't see a good outcome either way.
i dont know how anyone can morally vote for either candidate
Supreme Court appointments, which are lifetime appointments. One appointment for certain, likely one or two more throughout the duration of whoever's presidency. Part of the Trump campaign's strategy is hoping to discourage enough people from participating in the process to give them just enough of an edge, but it doesn't look like it's working, thank goodness.
i dont know how anyone can morally vote for either candidate
Supreme Court appointments, which are lifetime appointments. One appointment for certain, likely one or two more throughout the duration of whoever's presidency. Part of the Trump campaign's strategy is hoping to discourage enough people from participating in the process to give them just enough of an edge, but it doesn't look like it's working, thank goodness.
Precisely why Hillary being elected would be disastrous. Her Supreme Court picks would be as bad as Obama's. Just more liberal activists, in the style of Ginsberg, who don't care what the Constitution actually says or staying within their legal bounds but just forcing their warped views and agenda on society.
i dont know how anyone can morally vote for either candidate
Supreme Court appointments, which are lifetime appointments. One appointment for certain, likely one or two more throughout the duration of whoever's presidency. Part of the Trump campaign's strategy is hoping to discourage enough people from participating in the process to give them just enough of an edge, but it doesn't look like it's working, thank goodness.
TERRIBLE..just terrible. What's the racial climate in that town,BlackFam? It's either political skullduggery by person working for Dem.s or purely racist person trying to set off a race war. Either way, person who did it should be put before a firing squad.
I hate to say it, but because there's been so many previous examples I have to wonder if this is a hoax. Back in the 1990s there was a series of black church fires and a lot of people believed they were perpetrated by white racists or the Klan. Then it turns out that a young black female arsonist was charged, apparently wanting it to seem that white racists burned the churches. I would be surprised if a Hillary supporter didn't vandalize this church.
Another tu quoque fallacy, and a weak one at that. Did the Ashley Todd case involve church vandalism or church fires? No, but she was quickly exposed as a fraudster, put in jail and ordered psychiatric counseling. While she was promoted by the Drudge Report, others on the Right, such as Michelle Malkin, immediately saw through her and wrote about it. There was no cover-up, and as a never-been-a-Republican I can say that it's clear that she doesn't represent them, nor have they "mastered that game" since their participation in these hoaxes is so rare.
On the other hand cheating and hoaxes do find greater acceptance in the Democratic Party, as evidence by the Wikileaks exposures of Debbie Wassermann Schultz and her successor Donna Brazile. Sneaking answers to a Presidential candidate when you're supposed to be fair and neutral is a pretty big deal. Paying people to start fights in Trump rallies is a pretty big deal too. Despite all that I'm not going to paint all Democrats with a broad brush and claim that they "mastered that game."
Yeah, you must have forgotten that the McCain campaign did seize on Ashley's claims, including a publicized phone call from McCain himself to the Todd family, that FoxNews covered like the Super Bowl.
Fast forward to 2016...Trump's campaign office is vandalized or something. Riiight.
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Debbie Wassermann Schultz and her successor Donna Brazile.
Yeah, you must have forgotten that the McCain campaign did seize on Ashley's claims, including a publicized phone call from McCain himself to the Todd family, that FoxNews covered like the Super Bowl.
Fast forward to 2016...Trump's campaign office is vandalized or something. Riiight.
All that shows is that McCain and Fox fell for her hoax. If you have some evidence that the campaign was actually behind it, let's see it. (I'll give my response in advance: Oh, no evidence? Of course. What else is new?)
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Debbie Wassermann Schultz and her successor Donna Brazile.
lol. Who?
You know, the people who give you your talking points.
What talking points? Who are Debbie Wassermann Schults and Donna Brazile? I don't watch cable news. Get all my news from following various news agencies and writers on twitter. I watch the local news on DVR just for train wrecks. I haven't watched CNN or MSNBC in a few years. FoxNews since 2008, you know, when McCain and Palin pounced all over that bogus Ashley Todd story. I'm not voting Democrat because of any talking points. I'm voting Democrat the same reason most voters are, because the Republican party is so crazy now that it's scary. And they're running Donald Trump for president. Yes, Donald Trump. lol.
What talking points? Who are Debbie Wassermann Schults and Donna Brazile? I don't watch cable news. Get all my news from following various news agencies and writers on twitter. I watch the local news on DVR just for train wrecks. I haven't watched CNN or MSNBC in a few years. FoxNews since 2008, you know, when McCain and Palin pounced all over that bogus Ashley Todd story. I'm not voting Democrat because of any talking points. I'm voting Democrat the same reason most voters are, because the Republican party is so crazy now that it's scary. And they're running Donald Trump for president. Yes, Donald Trump. lol.
Yeah, right. There have been stories all over Twitter and FB about DWS and Brazile. BTW, just because Trump is bad doesn't make Clinton good. Not unless you like corrupt crony-corporate owned warmongers, that is.
If there were stories on my twitter feed about these irrelevant people you're talking about, I wasn't paying attention, and scrolled right past them. I don't concern myself with no-names.
He's asking them, when doing background checks, to at least discern past criminal convictions from one another based on their severity, including admitted drug use that didn't result in a criminal conviction.
This request is obviously designed to discourage recruiters from using youthful indiscretions like a speeding ticket or smoking weed at a party against applicants and classifying them all under a large blanket which labels them as having a criminal background. In other words, recruiters are obviously finding any petty thing they can in applicants' pasts to counter the federal government's attempt to bring ethnic diversity to law enforcement agencies that sorely need it.
I don't totally blame you for misunderstanding the article, however, because the right wing web site you got it from obviously uses a headline that was out of context as click bait.
lol. blueracing we only had to worry about that stuff when Bush was president. Like on 9/11. They never pull off these attacks when Democrats are in charge. Fact. They just make threats.
He's asking them, when doing background checks, to at least discern past criminal convictions from one another based on their severity, including admitted drug use that didn't result in a criminal conviction.
This request is obviously designed to discourage recruiters from using youthful indiscretions like a speeding ticket or smoking weed at a party against applicants and classifying them all under a large blanket which labels them as having a criminal background. In other words, recruiters are obviously finding any petty thing they can in applicants' pasts to counter the federal government's attempt to bring ethnic diversity to law enforcement agencies that sorely need it.
I don't totally blame you for misunderstanding the article, however, because the right wing web site you got it from obviously uses a headline that was out of context as click bait.
I didn't misunderstand the artice, nor am I shocked by your expected spin response. This is just liberal driven affirmative action like we've seen before. Lowering or altering the standards, in the name of "diversity," so the unqualified can get in.
Your fearless leader Obama paid how much to Iran in ransom? I believe their was a xmas party that went bad last year. Their was the boston marathon incident. I thought Oak was gone for good. What a tease.
lol. blueracing we only had to worry about that stuff when Bush was president. Like on 9/11. They never pull off these attacks when Democrats are in charge. Fact. They just make threats.
What about when the Trade Center was bombed in 1993? I remember that well because I was in Jersey. Bill Clinton was President.
What a surprise. The candidate that promotes violence gets violence. It's called karma. I'd feel safer at any rap concert than I would at a Trump rally. Not a good look 3 days before the election.
What a surprise. The candidate that promotes violence gets violence. It's called karma. I'd feel safer at any rap concert than I would at a Trump rally. Not a good look 3 days before the election.
I despise both Hillary and Trump both and politics in general. I am confused by your reference to feeling safe at a rap concert though. It is quite a racial comment if I may say so. What are you trying to say? Rap concerts by black rappers are extremely violent because all black people are violent and only black people attend said concerts?
What a surprise. The candidate that promotes violence gets violence. It's called karma. I'd feel safer at any rap concert than I would at a Trump rally. Not a good look 3 days before the election.
It's already been pointed out to your sorry liberal butt that there's been waaaay more violence and rioting from Hillary supporters/Trump haters than by Trump supporters. Just go on YouTube and see for yourself.
But we all know you won't. Whenever you're shown to be wrong, which is pretty much all the time, you make some weak retort (or don't answer at all) and then move on while hoping nobody will notice.
Lol, oak is naive as well as a hypocrite. I must agree that his comment did come across as racist. At the end of the day, it's a naive little creature that lives in a shitty apt and blames society for it's pathetic existence.
I went to a Trump rally and it was a great experience. The energy throughout the crowd was so powerful. Filled up the Amphitheatre down here in Tampa. Go Trump! There were many whites blacks, hispanics, men, women and children. No pervs, just decent hard working people.
So, the protester walks in with an anti-Trump sign. That's all. Just a sign.
A nearby Trump supporter yells "gun", jumps on the protester, beats the shit out of him and subdues him.
The police then cuff and detain the protester.
After searching the protester, questioning him, viewing surveillance footage, they determine he was just a guy with a sign, and wasn't doing anything illegal. They let him go.
Then, you have the Trump supporter, who took down the protester, boasting about it to news crews.
Since the protester didn't have a gun, there was no justification for the Trump supporter attacking the protester. The Trump supporter yelled "gun", even though there clearly was no gun.
Why isn't the Trump supporter arrested? Not only did he assault someone for no reason, he even yelled out a term which could provoke panic or violence, similar to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, as it were. He was not so much as detained or questioned, and even put on a reenactment performance to the delight of the news crews.
If this isn't state sanctioned thuggery, I don't know what is. Shame on all law enforcement present at this event.
who do you guys think will win? i know the polls have got tight lately but after this announcement clinton should win now will be surprised if she loses i thought the re investigation into the emails was the reason the polls got closer in the first place
still brexit has shown me how polls can be inaccurate so maybe he will win i am looking at this election from an outsiders perspective so its hard for me to guess.
fucking animals any of these guys they capture need to do what they did to the Nazis charge them with war crimes and then hang them these days whenever they catch these scumbags they just put them in prison its not enough a message needs to be sent
As I posted in another thread, I'm going with Larry Sabato: Clinton 322; Trump 216.
Well, Larry Sabato was wrong; the Electoral College vote was roughly reversed (a few states have not yet finalized their counts). One aspect of polling that mamy people probably ignored was the expressed margin of error that qualifies all polls.
come on oak it hardly had an effect on Clinton losing the election its happened now he will be president there is a lot I don't like about Trump but all you can do is hope he becomes a good president no point looking at the past now
Remember when politics was rather dull? When across the West the electoral pendulum swung reliably between parties of the centre left and centre right? There was consensus about the benefits of a global market economy. Politicians seemed to talk the same way, wear the same ties, parrot the same stale slogans. Meanwhile voters got on with shopping, and turning out at elections in ever decreasing numbers. This seemed to be the condition of liberal democracy at the start of 2016. But the seedbed for Brexit and Trump was there. As politics became the preserve of a professional office-seeking class the old parties shrank. Popular indifference and distrust of politics grew. A few years ago the political scientist Peter Mair argued that Western democracy was being hollowed out. With one referendum and a presidential election, liberal democracy as we've known it seems finally, dramatically, to have collapsed in on itself. Too hyperbolic? In response to Donald Trump's victory, the authoritarian, anti-immigration Prime Minister of Hungary, Viktor Orban, said it was "great news" and claimed his victory marked the end of a period of "liberal non-democracy". This is the same Viktor Orban who was greeted with a mock-Nazi salute by the president of the European Commission at a summit last year. "The dictator is coming," quipped Jean-Claude Juncker. Now many Western leaders are sweating. Fear and loathing Last month the President of the European Council, Donald Tusk, said the West's political values were in danger of breaking down. What does he think those values are? "Human rights, civil liberties, including the freedom of speech and religion, free market and a competitive economy based on private property, reasonable and fair redistribution of goods, restrictions on power resulting from rules and tradition, tolerance and political pluralism."
Some people have found it hard to reconcile themselves to the election result Mr Tusk said those who questioned liberal democracy were happy about Brexit, looked up to President Putin and supported Donald Trump. And it's true that from the coffee shops of Brooklyn to the bistros of Brussels there is a sense of melancholy and foreboding. For people who have enjoyed the political stability and economic opportunities delivered by decades of liberal democracy these are bewildering, unsettling times. "How", they ask, "can Britain possibly have voted to leave the EU?" Millions of despairing Americans are grappling with the prospect of President Donald Trump. "Is Le Pen next?" they fret in the cafes of Paris. The 'left behind' But for voters who cast ballots for Brexit and Donald Trump it feels like politics has finally listened to them. The "left behind" economic narrative does not account for the full variety of forces behind this new populism. But in the view of Parag Khanna, an American professor in Singapore and author of the new book Connectography, 2016 will be remembered as the year that "the global underclass revolt crystallised in the form of the Brexit and the Trump election". "This uncoordinated movement really began with Occupy Wall Street and has now claimed its biggest scalp," he says.
The rejection of the status quo has been fuelled by marginalisation and job insecurity Prof Vernon Bogdanor, at King's College London, agrees. "There is a division between the exam-passing classes who are not hostile to the global elite and the left behind who are nationalist and protectionist," he says. "It takes different forms in different countries but it's now a fairly common phenomenon in Europe and America." Prof Bogdanor tells me the new political cleavage is not between left and right but between nationalist populism and those perceived as "elites". And he is worried. "The election of Donald Trump is the most troubling political event in my lifetime. It's not difficult to arouse nationalist passions. We saw that in the 1930s. We're seeing a pale imitation of what we saw then", he says, while careful to make clear he doesn't consider the president-elect a fascist. 'Elite tantrum' But Claire Fox, the director of the Institute of Ideas, thinks the vitality of liberal democracy has been proved by the Brexit and Trump results. "We have to be careful of an anti-democratic response to perfectly legitimate democratic votes. Quite a lot of liberals are saying, 'well, democracy is not working so well because people are voting in a way we don't want them to vote', which strikes me as a supreme irony."
Sceptical voices on immigration have been ignored or demonised, it is claimed A suffocating political and cultural consensus has driven the backlash we are seeing now, she believes. "There has been arguably far less tolerance over the last 10 years for anyone who doesn't agree with what a particular elite outlook is - and a silence or demonising of people who don't go along with the narrative." Ms Fox cites public concern about immigration as a prime example and she also takes exception to the suggestion liberal democracy is being threatened by an ugly authoritarianism. "The whole of the establishment, from army generals to big business, lined up to say Brexit was a mistake," she argues. "What's authoritarian is employers turning round to their workers and saying jobs would be lost. "We had an elite who thought they could call a referendum, mobilise everybody who should go and vote as they were told. That's caused a massive tantrum amongst the elite who then have the nerve to say it's the people's fault for threatening democracy." Destination unknown Whether or not this political upheaval should be celebrated or feared, it feels like a rupture with the past. We are rumbling over an important set of points with little idea where we are heading. Brexit and Trump promised political control to people who felt their lives had little of it, who were furious at the gulf between their political rulers and the governed and mourned the social cohesion of the past, and whose voices were not heard much in the media. In the raucous, angry echo chamber of social media a fight back brewed.
Other socio-economic models around the world, notably China, are accepted The flipside seems to be growing intolerance of pluralism and difference. That is why people like Donald Tusk anxiously wonder how Western liberal democracy can respond and survive. Because there is nothing inevitable about its continuity. As author and political philosopher John Gray wrote recently, plenty of authoritarian regimes in the world are doing well. The middle class in Russia appears wedded to a combination of consumerism and nationalism and in China many want nothing more than rising living standards and freedom in their private lives. "Liberal societies cannot depend on history for their survival," he says in a New Statesman article. "They need to defend themselves." At the moment however, the winners from globalisation and the political elites have lost and the dissenters have won.
Trump's short list for cabinet positions. So much for the anti-war, anti-bank, personal freedoms candidate. Civil libertarians that fell for Trump's act should be feeling the buyer's remorse right about now, too.
Among the names for each position.
Sec. of State:
John Bolton (Bush guy) Stanley McChrystal (Bush guy)
Treasury secretary:
Thomas Barrack Jr. (founder, chairman and executive chairman of Colony Capital; private equity and real estate investor) Steven Mnuchin (Former Goldman Sachs executive)
Defense Secretary:
Stephen J. Hadley (Bush guy)
Attorney General:
Rudy Giuliani (when you think right to privacy, you think Rudy...)
For laughs, Sarah Palin is on the short list for Interior Secretary.
Commerce Secretary:
Lewis M. Eisenberg (Private equity chief for Granite Capital International Group)
Energy Secretary (fancy name for day to day management of nuclear weapons):
James L. Connaughton (Bush guy)
Homeland Security Secretary:
Joe Arpaio. National law enforcement figure famous for having little regard for civil rights. Also facing current federal criminal charges.
Chris Christie is going to get the Attorney General position, I don't doubt that. No Joe Arpaio or Jeff Sessions. I think Dix can agree on Sessions. Did Michael Flynn get a waiver from Congress, cause I honestly believe he would be a great Homeland Security Secretary. CIA Director? Flynn and Townsend keep getting named, but there are more then just those two who might get that spot. Also keep in mind that history has shown people who work or have great relations with wall Street end up getting a few of those cabinet positions.
The idea behind a lot of Trump's support was to "drain the swamp", bring some fresh bodies to DC with him. There's a lot of Wall Street and Bush names on the short list for his cabinet. It's becoming quite evident that Donald's a lot more of a GOP establishment hack than his supporters wanted to believe.
"Legal challenges involving immigration, climate change, cost-free contraceptive care and transgender rights all could be affected, without any help from Congress."
Fear of violence from "the others" is also a strategy historically used by fascist governments.
I think the fear is somewhat justified when men, women, children and even babies in prams get mowed down on a promenade when they are enjoying a festival.
You do remember the Bastille Day attacks in Nice, right?
That attack on a music concert in Paris?
The slaughterings that happened over a freaking cartoon in a satirical magazine?
That's just the last year or so in France.
Sweden's crime rates have soared through the roof almost exclusively thanks to these cockroaches.
she wont win another election her popularity is at a all time low the Syrian migrant crisis really damaged her. local elections they have done shit recently Merkels power and influence all over Europe.
As for liberal leaders in Europe Renzi is the last real liberal and who I consider a real believer in the EU he wont be in power this time next year when he loses his referendum he is gone.
And you guys who think Trump is bad you have not seen LePen and she has a real chance of winning because Hollande is probably one of the worst French leaders ever most of the country hate him
Trump's chief strategist Stephen Bannon and anti-Semitism.
"Bannon has been personally accused of prejudice. His ex-wife said in court papers obtained by The Associated Press that Bannon made anti-Semitic remarks when the two battled over sending their daughters to private school nearly a decade ago. In a sworn court declaration following their divorce, Mary Louise Piccard said her ex-husband had objected to sending their twin daughters to an elite Los Angeles academy because he "didn't want the girls going to school with Jews."
A lot of those are kids doing dark humor pranks, the FBI only gets about less than 10 percent of reports from Sheriffs and Police departments. I would be amazed if a majority of reports came from southern states free of will. Three top states are New York, California, and Illinois. Mississippi and Louisiana are the two notorious states that have incomplete data.
If you look at who helped form his list for potential SCOTUS appointments, it's like George W. Bush is getting a 3rd term.
"At the same time, Mr. Trump’s candidates are, unsurprisingly, committed judicial conservatives. Mr. Trump credited two leading conservative policy groups — the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society — with helping to draw up his list."
Remember that when Obama took office, the first thing he did was close Gitmo (or at least try to).
The first thing Trump is going to do is send 3 million people to impoverished, war torn, crime ridden hells.
Tell me again how there's no difference between the two parties.
Another flaming, stupid and offensive comment from Oak. Immediately play the Hitler card. I hate it when "people" (I use the word loosely) automatically go full Argumentum ad Hitlerum and violate Godwin's Law. It show's they've immediately lost the argument.
First, every country in the world has borders and deports those who enter illegally and/or overstay their visas. There's nothing "Hitler-like" about it. People who break laws face consequences.
Second, Trump said he would focus on criminal illegal immigrants. That is, those who not only entered illegally, but broke additional laws after entering. So by making your criticism general you omitted that inconvenient fact.
"What we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records — gang members, drug dealers — we have a lot of these people, probably 2 million, it could be even 3 million. We're getting them out of our country or we're going to incarcerate. But we're getting them out of our country, they're here illegally." (Donald Trump on 60 Minutes, 13 November 2016)
Fourth, I am putting this out in the interest of facts and truth. I've already made it clear that I didn't vote for Trump and didn't think he was going to win.
Fifth, on my mother's side I lost many distant relatives in the Holocaust. So there's a personal aspect in it for me. However, I didn't know them. Hitler was a genocidal monster. A valid comparison to Hitler it to someone who has a policy of genocide, meaning a policy to wipe out an entire population. The Turks genocided the Armenians. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot had genocides. Rwanda genocided Tutsis. King Leopold of Belgium genocided Congo. The Japanese in Manchuria. Nigeria genocided Biafra. France genocided the Huguenots, etc. Trump has no policy of genocide and not said anything even close to wanting to massacre populations, with the exception of the genocidal monsters ISIS. If Trump ever decides to make a policy of genocide then the comparison will be valid and I'll agree with it, but he hasn't and it's unlikely he ever will.
Remember that when Obama took office, the first thing he did was close Gitmo (or at least try to).
The first thing Trump is going to do is send 3 million people to impoverished, war torn, crime ridden hells.
Tell me again how there's no difference between the two parties.
Another flaming, stupid and offensive comment from Oak. Immediately play the Hitler card. I hate it when "people" (I use the word loosely) automatically go full Argumentum ad Hitlerum and violate Godwin's Law. It show's they've immediately lost the argument.
First, every country in the world has borders and deports those who enter illegally and/or overstay their visas. There's nothing "Hitler-like" about it. People who break laws face consequences.
Second, Trump said he would focus on criminal illegal immigrants. That is, those who not only entered illegally, but broke additional laws after entering. So by making your criticism general you omitted that inconvenient fact.
"What we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records — gang members, drug dealers — we have a lot of these people, probably 2 million, it could be even 3 million. We're getting them out of our country or we're going to incarcerate. But we're getting them out of our country, they're here illegally." (Donald Trump on 60 Minutes, 13 November 2016)
Fourth, I am putting this out in the interest of facts and truth. I've already made it clear that I didn't vote for Trump and didn't think he was going to win.
Fifth, on my mother's side I lost many distant relatives in the Holocaust. So there's a personal aspect in it for me. However, I didn't know them. Hitler was a genocidal monster. A valid comparison to Hitler it to someone who has a policy of genocide, meaning a policy to wipe out an entire population. The Turks genocided the Armenians. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot had genocides. Rwanda genocided Tutsis. King Leopold of Belgium genocided Congo. The Japanese in Manchuria. Nigeria genocided Biafra. France genocided the Huguenots, etc. Trump has no policy of genocide and not said anything even close to wanting to massacre populations, with the exception of the genocidal monsters ISIS. If Trump ever decides to make a policy of genocide then the comparison will be valid and I'll agree with it, but he hasn't and it's unlikely he ever will.
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ridiculous comparison completely faith agree with youthere really is genocide going on in the middle east, Somalia, Libya and South Sudan but people cry about trump lol even some immigration polices of other western countries in the West are worse than the US look at the Swiss and Hungary the stuff I hear is ridiculous problem Is I always find a lot of people in the US forgot the world is bigger than just them even some of its politicians so out of touch with the rest of the world it is ridiculous
that is a normal thing aswell what he has suggested deporting foreign criminals most countries do.What I find wrong with Trumps plan is what counts as a criminal a small weed conviction? but I do understand why he is doing it don't completely agree with how he wants do it but the idea in general is not a bad one
by no means I am supporting Trump here but give the man a chance and stop making ridiculous comparisons
by no means I am supporting Trump here but give the man a chance and stop making ridiculous comparisons
I co-sign that statement 100%
I also wasn't a Trump supporter and I'm not American, but who is the president of the US is always very important for everybody in the Western World.
The elections are over now and the guy is chosen, so regardless of everyone's personal political convictions, we have to accept the results. The people who are protesting and don't want to accept Trump as president are often the people who say we need more democracy. Seems to me they only want democracy when it fits their agenda. Bad sportsmanship to say the least..
Moe, "cockroaches" is a term Hitler might have used.
Thanks for helping me make my point.
I wasn't talking about Obama so there's no reason to address him, but just a quick sidepoint. Obama never went on camera and called Mexicans "rapists". Accusations like that are terrifying. It's how every dictator takes power. They create fear of certain groups, and promote themselves as saviors to stop them. The parallels are there between Trump and Hitler. There are plenty more, actually. That's just one.
I wonder what Billy means when he says we "have to accept the results". Why would we have a court system and an impeachment process if that were the case?
Interesting, gangstereport, that the argument you use to deny Trump's comparisons to Hitler is that he hasn't committed genocide...yet. I'm talking about the comparisons to some of the things Hitler said in his rise to power and some of the things Trump has said, combined with Trump's rather extreme deportation measures. 3 million is a lot of people. If he really tries to do that, it's going to look like Hitler's Germany on the streets of Los Angeles, Fresno, San Jose, Albuquerque, Phoenix, San Antonio, El Paso, etc.
I wonder what Billy means when he says we "have to accept the results". Why would we have a court system and an impeachment process if that were the case?
If something comes up that are convincing grounds for impeachment, that of course changes the situation Oak..
Interesting, gangstereport, that the argument you use to deny Trump's comparisons to Hitler is that he hasn't committed genocide...yet. I'm talking about the comparisons to some of the things Hitler said in his rise to power and some of the things Trump has said, combined with Trump's rather extreme deportation measures. 3 million is a lot of people. If he really tries to do that, it's going to look like Hitler's Germany on the streets of Los Angeles, Fresno, San Jose, Albuquerque, Phoenix, San Antonio, El Paso, etc.
As far as I know Trump is talking about Illegals and criminals.
He's facing a lawsuit now for Trump university. Having to "accept" the results of an election in a democracy is absurd. Did the GOP congress accept Obama's election? They formed a pact to reject every bill that was part of his agenda. There are plenty of ways to censure a sitting president, perfectly legal ways. Nobody has to accept the results of an election. The whole purpose of a democracy is for the people to have a constant voice, and constant access to government.
Trump is already on record calling Mexican immigrants in general rapists and killers. Combine that with the extreme deportation measures on his agenda, and the writing is on the wall. This president resembles Hitler more so than possibly any president in history.
He's facing a lawsuit now for Trump university. Having to "accept" the results of an election in a democracy is absurd. Did the GOP congress accept Obama's election? They formed a pact to reject every bill that was part of his agenda. There are plenty of ways to censure a sitting president, perfectly legal ways. Nobody has to accept the results of an election. The whole purpose of a democracy is for the people to have a constant voice, and constant access to government.
In that kind of democracy nothing will ever get done and it will ultimately lead to chaos and anarchy..
It's up to them if they want to accept it or not, it's just that it's pretty futile if nothing comes up that is ground for impeachment.
I'm combining his direct quotes with his agenda on immigration, which is extreme.
Latino vote includes Cubans in south Florida, who lean Republican due to being anti-Castro. Every election Republicans boast of the Latino vote numbers in their favor and try to pass it off is some kind of monumental shift in the electorate. It's anti-Castro Cubans. Always has been. Trump is not popular among Mexican-Americans.
The U.S. has had this "kind of democracy" since its inception. A government by the people, for the people.
A body of representatives that can form a pact to stall a president's agenda. This option is available in case a maniac like Trump becomes president.
The filibuster process.
The impeachment process. Trump's lawsuit could be grounds already. If more of these women come out and bring cases against him, they could to. There are claims he walked in on underage women while dressing, and even bragged about it. That's grounds for impeachment.
We have to accept Trump as president? What a joke. I don't know where you're getting this.
The U.S. has had this "kind of democracy" since its inception. A government by the people, for the people.
A body of representatives that can form a pact to stall a president's agenda. This option is available in case a maniac like Trump becomes president.
The filibuster process.
The impeachment process. Trump's lawsuit could be grounds already. If more of these women come out and bring cases against him, they could to. There are claims he walked in on underage women while dressing, and even bragged about it. That's grounds for impeachment.
We have to accept Trump as president? What a joke. I don't know where you're getting this.
There is clear differences in what Hitler said about the Jews in his rise to power and what Trump has said if you can't see the difference no point me arguaring with you
What I can't understand oak is why you hate people who don't think the same way you dont even consider the other side to be right thats dangerous thinking i always conider you points even if i disagree with you i can understand why and respect your decision but don't judge people for voting Trump they have there reasons.
Trump you think will be a bad president maybe in your eyes he will others would disagree peoples belief on what a good president differs it is the whole point of democracy we have to wait and see we are allowed our own opinions be grateful you have it a lot of places in the world don't
I knew Obama was bad for the country as soon as he took office. He never bought people together before or after.
How long was he a US senator before he ran for President? How did he vote on bills when he became a senator. See what his voting record was in the senate.
I'm most curious as to who the last president that 'brought the country together' was. Certainly not Bush (I or II), definitely not Clinton, not Reagan, not Carter, not Ford, not Nixon, not Johnson, not JFK...maybe Eisenhower?
Right after 9/11 the country was brought together yes or no?
Before Obama became president no one was jealous about how much money other people made. You want more more do what it took to make more. Some did some didn't.
There was a time no one wanted to be on welfair so they found work. No one was happy to be on relief.
the press in the US are crazy lol he cant go out for a meal without telling them crazy cant believe what i am seeing you dont get that over here. Everyone deserves privacy even presidents and the medias argument is beyond ridiclous why do they have to be everywhere he goes? next they will be saying he needs to tell them when he wants to take a shit.
I'm most curious as to who the last president that 'brought the country together' was. Certainly not Bush (I or II), definitely not Clinton, not Reagan, not Carter, not Ford, not Nixon, not Johnson, not JFK...maybe Eisenhower?
Yep. Eisenhower. And the last time two presidential candidates agreed with most of each other's positions was during the Nixon-Kennedy debates. But even after that in the mid-to-late 1960s Robert Kennedy and Ronald Reagan had a debate and not only were they civil and respectful toward each other, but they mostly agreed with the other's positions.
the press in the US are crazy lol he cant go out for a meal without telling them crazy cant believe what i am seeing you dont get that over here. Everyone deserves privacy even presidents and the medias argument is beyond ridiclous why do they have to be everywhere he goes? next they will be saying he needs to tell them when he wants to take a shit.
He went to the 21 club to a standing ovation from the people eating there. He probably went to the secret room their it was originally dug out during proahibition to serve illegal booze. It hold a lot of people for private parties.
Eisenhower wanted to give more rights to black people. It was voted down from the southern democrates. Yes or no
And later on, post Eisenhower, the famous 'southern strategy' changed the demographics and the position of the political parties on civil rights. Yes or no.
Obama is so dumb he thinks everything was great during his administration. Then why did he lose if everything was great Hillary would have won she out spent him big time and she lost.
Eisenhower wanted to give more rights to black people. It was voted down from the southern democrates. Yes or no
And later on, post Eisenhower, the famous 'southern strategy' changed the demographics and the position of the political parties on civil rights. Yes or no.
The Democratic story about the GOP "Southern strategy" has been debunked. For those who don't know, it's that Nixon used "code words" to reach out to racist Southern Democrats to win the presidency in 1968. That's not what it was. Both parties had "Southern strategies" going back for decades before Nixon's. In 1968 Nixon was going to let the racist vote go to George Wallace while he made an economic appeal to non-racist Southerners. Most Democrats didn't change parties when Nixon was president and were still Democrats when they voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976.
It was after Carter's election that some of them switched, and that was for economic reasons. More switching occurred for Reagan in the 1980 election. Moreover, out of the racist Democrats who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, only one switched.
That the southern strategy has been debunked is revisionism. On an academic level against it a case was put forward by Johnston & Shaffer who make the argument that class played more of a role than race. And right wing apologists in the blogosphere have been trying to run with that ever since. The other main revisionist argument is that it took a while to work down to the state level. Neither discounts the general acceptance of the SS.
In 1970, Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips said:
From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
The famous Atwater quote and the above Phillips quote, along with the statements of modern Republicans like Michael Steele, offers some solid evidence.
Its been accepted by scholars for 40 years. You may disagree with these opinions of course.
But theres nothing surprising or even controversial about a political party doing what politcal parties do.
I just think "non racist southerners" is a funny term. You don't see people saying non-racist Northerners. Or non-racist west coast people. It sucks that the label of racist is automatically attached to the south, to the point to where people who aren't racists have to identify themselves as non-racists. Reputations are tough to get rid of.
I just think "non racist southerners" is a funny term. You don't see people saying non-racist Northerners. Or non-racist west coast people. It sucks that the label of racist is automatically attached to the south, to the point to where people who aren't racists have to identify themselves as non-racists. Reputations are tough to get rid of.
Doesn't bother me to get branded as a racist. So be it if I am. I would rather live in the South as to any place on this earth
In the interest of national unity, and because the south has to take so much shit I'm going to start using the descriptive phrase 'Non asshole Bostonians'. There must be at least be 2 or 3 of them somewhere in that city...
Despite the obvious history of racism in the northeast cities, this region still is not associated with racism. It's probably because the region has offered so much more, making the racism is the working class neighborhoods a side story. The south has certainly offered things besides racism, too, but the racism has historically been so rampant and so profound, both in politics and among the culture in general, that it's just the first thing a lot people think when the subject of the south comes up. That's why I laughed when Faithful said "non-racist southerners". It's sad that it still has to be distinguished. Southern politics, from the southern strategy to even modern day Trumpism, hasn't helped. Trump used this racist history of the south to secure southern swing states like NC and FLA.
No community is immune from racism, but the south is known for it. So much that people actually have to say 'non racist southerners" when describing non racist people there. You don't have to say "non racist northerners". "non racist Californians". "Non racist New Yorkers". There are racist people in these places, obviously, but they don't have the reputation to shake. So many decades of racially divisive politics in the south (right up to the most recent election) doesn't help. It's going to be a long time before the south shakes this reputation.
In SanFranciso a communist teacher was asked to develope a class for Grammer school kids telling all about the racist Donald trump the school union approved it to go to every school there.
MSNBC ran a poll this morning asking people if Democrats should find a common ground with Donald Trump, and about 90% said no. lol. It's going to be a wild 4 years.
I just think "non racist southerners" is a funny term. You don't see people saying non-racist Northerners. Or non-racist west coast people. It sucks that the label of racist is automatically attached to the south, to the point to where people who aren't racists have to identify themselves as non-racists. Reputations are tough to get rid of.
Doesn't bother me to get branded as a racist. So be it if I am. I would rather live in the South as to any place on this earth
the south is easlily the most mentally sick and inhumane region of the united states. and that goes for all races, the south is still backwards
MSNBC ran a poll this morning asking people if Democrats should find a common ground with Donald Trump, and about 90% said no. lol. It's going to be a wild 4 years.
if we're all still alive after a year of trump. this shit is bigger than fucking america, other countries are moving against us as we speak. America looks weak and pathetic with trump as president
MSNBC ran a poll this morning asking people if Democrats should find a common ground with Donald Trump, and about 90% said no. lol. It's going to be a wild 4 years.
Well you know how accurate polls are
lol. Hard to argue with that. And, of course Democrats are going to bend over and let Trump impose his will on them. They would never be so impolite as to do otherwise.
It's Megyn Kelly as you've hardly seen before, posing seductively for a provocative new photo shoot for The Hollywood Reporter. In magazine's latest issue, she is photographed in a low-cut, white slip dress with her blonde hair tousled. In another photo, she's lounging on a chair in a white blouse with cut-outs.
It was quite a change of pace for the conservative Fox News anchor, who graces the cover of the magazine's most recent issue. In it, she discusses her new book, Settle For More, feminism, and her time at Fox News, including the claims that Roger Ailes sexually harassed her. Ailes denies all allegations of sexual harrasment.
Look, Megyn Kelly could pose in several sweaters, a topcoat, and a hazard suit and I would still ... well, you know. She's unbelievably good-looking.
I watched Megyn for years for a few reasons. She is hot, and she is very smart. I never really knew she was a liberal until this election.
All of a sudden I find her less attractive. Her ratings are very good so I guess fox will keep her. She needs to work on CNN or MSNBC. No not MSNBC because I doubt if she is a Lesbian.
US to quit TTP on Trumps first day in office. This probably marks the end of the US influence in Asia China will be delighted about this.
I can understand the USs reason however for leaving this deal could have fucked over a lot of people. The US is on real decline as a super power last 20 years it cant afford to be a major power it is acting like it is a dying major power Trump will speed it up 15-20 years from now US won't be a superpower. US is acting like Britain did in the 1950s wanting the country to look inward.
A lot of people in US can't see it yet but everyone else can the world is changing fast next few years will be interesting
Remember the clean water problem in Michigan that is one of the first things they will fix under trump. Hillary it would take 20 yrs and trillions to fix and it still would not be fixed.
US to quit TTP on Trumps first day in office. This probably marks the end of the US influence in Asia China will be delighted about this.
I can understand the USs reason however for leaving this deal could have fucked over a lot of people. The US is on real decline as a super power last 20 years it cant afford to be a major power it is acting like it is a dying major power Trump will speed it up 15-20 years from now US won't be a superpower. US is acting like Britain did in the 1950s wanting the country to look inward.
A lot of people in US can't see it yet but everyone else can the world is changing fast next few years will be interesting
The debate here in America on TPP is interesting as many people don't understand, or aren't aware of that part of it in your post that I bolded. China (who declined being a part of TPP) has countered with RCEP, which excludes the US. If China gets that kind of leverage, and gets enough countries on board it will certainly cost the US our leadership status in the Pacific.
The voices calling for pivoting away from free trade are interesting too, for a myriad of reasons.
"Scientists call for swing state recounts A group of computer scientists are urging Hillary Clinton to ask for a recount, claiming voting irregularities surfaced in three swing states. Gabe Sherman joins MSNBC's Ari Melber to share his reporting."
Thankfully, there isn't a remote chance of that happening.
And if it did, it could backfire on Clinton as voting discrepancies could be down to ballot box stuffing after the polls closed, which happened in states Clinton won which used paper ballots.
While they're at it, they should ask for a recount of the DNC presidential primaries vote too.
"Scientists call for swing state recounts A group of computer scientists are urging Hillary Clinton to ask for a recount, claiming voting irregularities surfaced in three swing states. Gabe Sherman joins MSNBC's Ari Melber to share his reporting."
she wont ask oak it will just stir up trouble I will be shocked if the Clinton campaign ask for a recount don't see it happening and even if there was irregularities I doubt it would be enough to change the election that's my point of view
Trump stole it. There's no doubt. But Hillary's not going contest it after calling out Trump when he threatened to not accept the results if he lost. Trump rope a doped her perfectly on that.
Trump is a one term president anyway. Hillary will probably run again in 2020 and destroy him.
Trump stole it. There's no doubt. But Hillary's not going contest it after calling out Trump when he threatened to not accept the results if he lost. Trump rope a doped her perfectly on that.
Trump is a one term president anyway. Hillary will probably run again in 2020 and destroy him.
Correction.
Hillary stole the Democratic Primaries and tried to steal the election.
Trump won his candidacy, and the election, fairly.
Exactly, Helen. He knew it, and he rope a doped Hillary's campaign, convincing them that they were going to win and that he would contest it. Now that he won, and Hillary's on record saying that refusing to accept election results is treasonous, she really can't contest it. Beautiful work by the Donald. The Art of the Deal.
He won't be able to run this con again. One term president. I think he just wanted to be president to see if he could do it. Hillary should run again. She would definitely beat him in 2020. The only real loss is the supreme court appointment. Who knows maybe Donald will nominate a moderate to troll the conservatives who are now pulling his strings.
Even with big media completely partial towards one candidate and an attempt to rig the election in favor of Clinton, Trump still beat the odds such was Clinton's ineptitude and inability to inspire voters.
Remember when Google rigged search algorithms to make it harder, if not impossible, to find negative search results pertaining to Clinton?
And every negative thing pertaining to Trump was left unfettered?
Says it all.
Same thing that happened when Vince Foster was murdered and the main investigator resigned because he wasn't allowed to do his job.
The entire media was prevented from covering that story truthfully too.
Moe, you might want to study the many profound differences between running a private business and presiding over a representative government by and for the people, if you really believe being successful in business qualifies someone to be president.
That being said, Trump isn't even successful in business. If the banks cut him off tomorrow, he would need one of those manufacturing jobs he's promising to bring back to the rust belt. It's not like he has any job skills.
Exactly, Helen. He knew it, and he rope a doped Hillary's campaign, convincing them that they were going to win and that he would contest it. Now that he won, and Hillary's on record saying that refusing to accept election results is treasonous, she really can't contest it. Beautiful work by the Donald. The Art of the Deal.
He won't be able to run this con again. One term president. I think he just wanted to be president to see if he could do it. Hillary should run again. She would definitely beat him in 2020. The only real loss is the supreme court appointment. Who knows maybe Donald will nominate a moderate to troll the conservatives who are now pulling his strings.
you seriously think Clinton should be the nominne it was a disaster for the democrats they should have won this election anyone normal would have won
Sanders would have been decent he would beat trump he should run again but he is like 75 will he want to run again
Sanders won't run again, I'd bet the farm on it. He wouldn't have won anyway, there are a lot of Americans that would never cast a vote for a Jewish Socialist from Vermont, despite how well he did on the left.
Michelle Obama running in 2020 is a fantasy too. She's not what the dems need to gain back the WH. They need the best possible candidate that doesn't alienate people based on her skin color alone. That's a popular figure in a swing state with the right demographic appeal. It's a Sherrod Brown type, not a Michelle Obama.
Michelle Obama running in 2020 is a fantasy too. She's not what the dems need to gain back the WH. They need the best possible candidate that doesn't alienate people based on her skin color alone. That's a popular figure in a swing state with the right demographic appeal. It's a Sherrod Brown type, not a Michelle Obama.
Michelle Obama running in 2020 is a fantasy too. She's not what the dems need to gain back the WH. They need the best possible candidate that doesn't alienate people based on her skin color alone. That's a popular figure in a swing state with the right demographic appeal. It's a Sherrod Brown type, not a Michelle Obama.
"When they go low. We go high" - M.O.
To be frank i really like her. I didnt back in 08, but she grew on me over time. But my opinion on her running is that she shouldn't, and that she doesn't want to anyway. She's widely known to hate politics.
That was a great speech though. In fact, the two best speeches given during this whole election cycle were given by her, not one of the 36 different politicians that were in this thing. And yet, in 2016 we still have bottom feeeders like that WV mayor and planning official that had the whole 'ape in heels ' facebook exchange a few weeks ago. Just imagine what would happen if she actually ran. It would be vile.
I think most people understood what Michelle meant when she said it's the first time she was proud to be an American. Rather obvious, really. And it wasn't anti-American.
Moe, you might want to study the many profound differences between running a private business and presiding over a representative government by and for the people, if you really believe being successful in business qualifies someone to be president.
That being said, Trump isn't even successful in business. If the banks cut him off tomorrow, he would need one of those manufacturing jobs he's promising to bring back to the rust belt. It's not like he has any job skills.
trump would be a cook at mcdonalds if people didn't routinely bail him out
two failed marriages, youre probably a horrible person if your wife can't deal with you and you're a billionaire
Come on, Cook. The Obamas are a self respecting family with class. The president's rebellious years are far behind him. The oldest daughter was seen at a couple of parties while visiting colleges. Aside from that, they're a solid family that exemplifies greatness and leadership. Have some respect.
It's odd what a lot of Republican voters today see as success and patriotism. A notorious draft dodger who never worked a day in his life, borrowed money from his father, his fathers friends while bankrupting one business after another. He's able to sell an image, and they bought it hook, line and sinker. No substance. An empty soul selling delusional ideas. The Trump candidacy, and the presidency will probably be even worse. Hopefully it'll just be one term.
Come on, Cook. The Obamas are a self respecting family with class. The president's rebellious years are far behind him. The oldest daughter was seen at a couple of parties while visiting colleges. Aside from that, they're a solid family that exemplifies greatness and leadership. Have some respect.
You seem to simplify things when its in the favor of the democrats, and make a big thing of non immportant things other way around. Dont get me wrong, I couldnt care one way or the other. Especially because im from South europe. Read some of your posts, you dont strike me as making a valid point other than dissing and hating trump. The election is over, learn to deal with it at least for the next 4 years. There is nothing you can do about it now. Not behind the computer thats for sure, and not on this forum. Dont let yourself ever be a sore loser, be graceful in defeat. Remmember that I really dont care one way or another, im very objetive of what I just said. The easiest thing is to ignore your posts. Dont wanna be a jerk toward you, take or leave it.
"The investigation took an ugly turn as the elder Kushner’s brother and sister cooperated with authorities, and he sought revenge in a sordid sting operation. He hired a prostitute to seduce his sister’s husband, videotaped the sexual encounter in a motel room, and mailed the recording to his sister.
The scheme backfired, becoming one more piece of the federal case against him. He eventually pleaded guilty and was sentenced to two years in prison.
The case tore apart the family but did not shake Jared Kushner’s devotion to his father.
“I felt what happened was obviously unjust in terms of the way [prosecutors] pursued him,” he told the Real Deal, a real estate website, in 2014."
EU are in a really bad situation here they cant allow Turkey into the EU i honestly believe if they did that it will be the end of the European Union but the migrant crisis has really damaged the EUs credibility Germany in particular they cant go back. Before the migrant crisis was effecting several nations now it is only fucking Italy.
Its sad really the problem has to be stopped at its source a lot of these migrants (a lot are not Syrian) come from African countries those countries need to be educating there people telling them not to listen to the smugglers who are telling them they will have a good life all that bullshit its simply not true they come into real poverty when they come to Europe a lot say they regret ever coming. The people who are fleeing wars in Syria and Afghanistan i sympathize with i would fucking migrate to Europe if i had a bunch of nutjobs running around my country literally slaughtering hundreds on a daily basis Syrias fucked will probably never recover from this crazy to think 20 years ago it was a rich country
lol. I got a kick out of right wingers on social media today talking about how Castro's death along with Trump's election is some sort of a sign. Fidel has been out of power for a decade. His brother Raul has run the country in that time, and has been open to working with western interests. Our embargo was lifted a few years ago. Cuba is going to have golden arches, yellow smiley faces and spinning chicken buckets all over the island in a few years, and that was happening with or without Trump.
A friend of mine set me a video DVD on when we first went into Iraq. He was withnthe air Cav. If we had 4 of those helicopters and tell them to wipe out Syria it would be destroyed in 2 weeks.
First I saw them shoot at a small group with explosive rounds. The distance was wrong they did not even hear those rounds explode. Then they reset the right distance pieces of the Iraqis were all over the place it was done in the middle of the night. One guy hid behind a truck. Goodbye truck and him.
Change the rules of engagement they have no chance.
First I saw them shoot at a small group with explosive rounds. The distance was wrong they did not even hear those rounds explode. Then they reset the right distance pieces of the Iraqis were all over the place it was done in the middle of the night. One guy hid behind a truck. Goodbye truck and him.
Maybe France ought to check their voting machines too...
Yeah, the media railed at Trump for being a wrong idiot saying the election was rigged, the machines are hacked, yada yada yada. Then he is elected and they say Trump may have been right, the machines are hacked, the election is rigged. Just like a liberal. Find a job, take a break from your PS4 in your parents basement and get a job and work for a living. Procreate. Raise some kids. The world doesn't revolve around you.
Yates, you talk about gaming systems more than anyone in here. There's a gamer thread on this site, and I don't think I've posted once on it, except for maybe something about the Mafia II game. If I were really some gamer nerd, don't you think I'd live on that thread? you're just flailing bud.
Yates, you talk about gaming systems more than anyone in here. There's a gamer thread on this site, and I don't think I've posted once on it, except for maybe something about the Mafia II game. If I were really some gamer nerd, don't you think I'd live on that thread? you're just flailing bud.
Sorry for bringing up my oppositions main occupation, I just think it's relevant to note that I as a Trump supporter work and pay taxes while Hillary supporters live with their parents and play gaming consoles. Does it offend you that you don't work for a living?
You live in such a bubble if you think you belong to a select group of society that works and pays taxes. It's weird how the southerners have become the real elitists these days. Every single Democrat voter I know works. The few people I know who don't work aren't even into politics. I doubt they even voted. I can't even picture them registering. You're so sheltered from the world.
Yates, don't waste your time with Oak. He still can't come to terms with the fact that she lost. Its almost three weeks later. He's most likely included within the population of upset Hillary supporters that didn't even vote because they were so sure that Trump was toast. Now he has a scapegoat for the next four years to blame his miserable life on.
First I saw them shoot at a small group with explosive rounds. The distance was wrong they did not even hear those rounds explode. Then they reset the right distance pieces of the Iraqis were all over the place it was done in the middle of the night. One guy hid behind a truck. Goodbye truck and him.
Holy shit that's the one mine was a little longer and darker. Mine began with the big truck the small one came later. But that's it. That was good wasn't it? When I first got it I showed it too guests.
Yates, don't waste your time with Oak. He still can't come to terms with the fact that she lost. Its almost three weeks later. He's most likely included within the population of upset Hillary supporters that didn't even vote because they were so sure that Trump was toast. Now he has a scapegoat for the next four years to blame his miserable life on.
No worries blue, I am very familiar with the liberals and know they are right no matter what. I just like toying with them. And I know for a fact a lot of people who voted for Hillary were unemployed. In fact, Hillary took a strong lead in the polls until 5pm, then all the Republican voters got off work and elected Trump. Merica!
^Sitting here twiddling my thumbs in the good ol ICU. Set up all the rooms, cleaned the counters,and organized the med room. Just seen that post and it made my night. The jerkoff's still stand behind her. Even after she cowardly had to have her manager tell her supporters to go home, but she isn't conceding. Hour later the coward conceded,Trump wins, Oak contemplates suicide but has her first period and thinks twice, because now she can have a bunch of kids and get govt support like her mom does.
^Sitting here twiddling my thumbs in the good ol ICU. Set up all the rooms, cleaned the counters,and organized the med room. Just seen that post and it made my night. The jerkoff's still stand behind her. Even after she cowardly had to have her manager tell her supporters to go home, but she isn't conceding. Hour later the coward conceded,Trump wins, Oak contemplates suicide but has her first period and thinks twice, because now she can have a bunch of kids and get govt support like her mom does.
Holy Shit Blue! You just made my drink come out my nose. That was classic Hillary though, left her supporters hanging after 7 hours of waiting while she is on the phone conceding to Donald Trump. The funny thing is, her supporters don't see this. They have the wool completely pulled over their eyes.
Yates, don't waste your time with Oak. He still can't come to terms with the fact that she lost. Its almost three weeks later. He's most likely included within the population of upset Hillary supporters that didn't even vote because they were so sure that Trump was toast. Now he has a scapegoat for the next four years to blame his miserable life on.
No worries blue, I am very familiar with the liberals and know they are right no matter what. I just like toying with them. And I know for a fact a lot of people who voted for Hillary were unemployed. In fact, Hillary took a strong lead in the polls until 5pm, then all the Republican voters got off work and elected Trump. Merica!
more like done harvesting crops and fucking their daughters. over half of the people that.vote Republican aren't even real republicans based on their lack of finances
trump got elected because of farmers and jealous women
Looks like Carrier was just political posturing. It won't be the norm. Ball bearing factory in Indiana, just down the road from Carrier, to send jobs to Mexico.
If it's more than 1k jobs, and I'm sure it is, then it brings Trump's saved jobs number back to net zero, and into the negatives.
Looks like Carrier was just political posturing. It won't be the norm. Ball bearing factory in Indiana, just down the road from Carrier, to send jobs to Mexico.
If it's more than 1k jobs, and I'm sure it is, then it brings Trump's saved jobs number back to net zero, and into the negatives.
Foots, because Obama would be called a socialist if he did what Trump did to save jobs. Democrats avoid proposing new tax payer funded subsidies to avoid that dreaded socialist label. It's the same reason Obama never doled out stimulus checks the way Bush did after 9/11. Democrats are so afraid of being called commies that sometimes Republicans have to step up and be America's Socialist Party.
All obama is interested in is green jobs because all his friends are invested in it. Subsidized by the tax payer. The factory goes under his friends don't lose money the tax paper loses.
I looked into solar three decades ago it was too expensive back then.
I constant get calls from solar company.
You ever see what solar looks like on a house ugly.
They do have solar roofs now that look just like a regular roof.
Here is a problem with solar no one talks about.
It will damage you roof if the roof is not new.
If you need a new roof then get a solar roof that's a good move.
Have an older roof and get solar it will further damage your roof.
Foots, because Obama would be called a socialist if he did what Trump did to save jobs. Democrats avoid proposing new tax payer funded subsidies to avoid that dreaded socialist label. It's the same reason Obama never doled out stimulus checks the way Bush did after 9/11. Democrats are so afraid of being called commies that sometimes Republicans have to step up and be America's Socialist Party.
You do realize 9/11 was in 2001 and Stimulus check bill was in 2008 right? Meaning you just made zero sense whatsoever. Every person should know that common sense bit of history unless their balls only recently dropped within the past 8 years.
Yates, don't waste your time with Oak. He still can't come to terms with the fact that she lost. Its almost three weeks later. He's most likely included within the population of upset Hillary supporters that didn't even vote because they were so sure that Trump was toast. Now he has a scapegoat for the next four years to blame his miserable life on.
No worries blue, I am very familiar with the liberals and know they are right no matter what. I just like toying with them. And I know for a fact a lot of people who voted for Hillary were unemployed. In fact, Hillary took a strong lead in the polls until 5pm, then all the Republican voters got off work and elected Trump. Merica!
more like done harvesting crops and fucking their daughters. over half of the people that.vote Republican aren't even real republicans based on their lack of finances
trump got elected because of farmers and jealous women
Women are jealous of who? Hillary Clinton? Ha Ha Ha. Good one. My great grandparents were farmers though and their day started at sun up and ended at sun down and I am glad for all their hard work because it put me through college and I am a successful Chemical Sales Rep for a major company now. I am humbled by my families past and hard work and am blessed I don't come from a "hand out" family. We pull ourselves up by the boot straps, not come whining to the government with our hands out claiming how "life's not fair"
this is what people should be worrying about this could become a disaster if not managed properly there could be thousnads of radicals who have just been fighting in a war coming home we have to hope that the intelligence services are on the top of there game I am really concerned about what is going to happen here.
Libya is so fucked aswell no idea to tell what they are planning on doing to us from over there 8 different governments easy for them to sneak into Italy then into the rest of Europe disguising themselves as refugees
Hard to believe that the retired C.O. was naive enough to think that this couldn't happen to him.
I think law enforcement has approached the manager of the supermarket and the video of the entire incident will be lost/erased before case can be investigated.
I have not heard of this episode before. Are Long Island cops real cops?
I believe the black victim, but I consider him weak a cry baby get mad and stay mad don't freaking start crying. His lawyer acted like his father puts his arm around him like he was his son. All the lawyer wants is his money.
I think the lawyer should give all the money won to the victim if he cares so much.
I know enough about jail guards to know they treat their prisoners like they were sub human. Now at least he knows what that feels like. He is going to win a lot of money from that.
People hate when they are accused of a crime they did not commit. Even a career criminal feels that way if they did not actually commit that particular crime.
I was a bit shocked that he was crying too, but everybody will react to being humiliated and emasculated differently. In a different article, they said the cops were beating on him until he screamed and asked others in the store to record the cops beating on a man who wasn't resisting. Then they stopped.
I tried to look up the picture of the actual guy who was arrested for shoplifting. The former C.O. said that the guy was about 100 pounds heavier.
As Warner Wolf would say, "Let's go to the video tape"
I expected some of the C.O.'s former colleagues/co workers of all races/backgrounds to be standing behind him in support, because right is right and wrong is wrong, but I'd never hold my breath waiting for that.
Interesting, a shoplifting suspect gets taken down/beaten up while not resisting. Armed suspect who shot up a church gets taken in without a scratch and cops even buy him food from Burger King.
This is insane. If this did happen, I hope he is awarded a lot of money and buy one of those big estates in Garden City. Lets see what the camera video and witnesses statements reveal. If it shows he's being truthful then fire and lock up the cops for assault. On a side note. Isn't Western Beef part of the Castellano family?
Not sure about crime association,but I do know that WesternBeef is the FILTHIEST supermarket I've ever stepped foot in.
I went to one in East Orange that wasn't so bad but I went into one in Washington Heights or the Bronx(I forget) years ago and I wouldn't even eat the "canned goods" from that place.
Also, I believe that the press conference was from Dec. 2. Law enforcement will leak the tape within 2 weeks,if it doesn't support what Mr. Lanier is saying. If the store video corroborates his story, we won't see it for months or years. If the video is "lost" or "erased", well we can draw our own conclusions.
Gets, The attorney needs to get a subpoena for that video, so if it does end up getting damaged, erased or missing they will pay a legal penalty. Hopefully some people did record the incident with their cell phones.
Footreads, I know there is a lot of abuse by CO's, but we can't paint all of them with that brush. For all we know this guy could have been a decent and honest CO. Plus the way they have cameras and snitches in prisons, it's not as easy to get away with being abusive as it was in the past. So whatever the case, this man didn't deserve what he got, and I hope he ends up getting well paid.
don't know why he called this referendum knew he would lose should have seen how unpopular he was and seen the rise of populist parties its the fall of one of the most pro EU politicans in Europe
if there is a election now Five Star Movement will win no doubt about it they are not corrupt they bring something fresh to Italien politics
People hate when they are accused of a crime they did not commit. Even a career criminal feels that way if they did not actually commit that particular crime.
You're aight mothafucka aside from your political views
Gets, The attorney needs to get a subpoena for that video, so if it does end up getting damaged, erased or missing they will pay a legal penalty. Hopefully some people did record the incident with their cell phones.
Footreads, I know there is a lot of abuse by CO's, but we can't paint all of them with that brush. For all we know this guy could have been a decent and honest CO. Plus the way they have cameras and snitches in prisons, it's not as easy to get away with being abusive as it was in the past. So whatever the case, this man didn't deserve what he got, and I hope he ends up getting well paid.
I know he didn't deserve it.
Believe it or not once in a while I get arrested. I can tell you jail guards think they are better then everyone else. Them in their 35.00 dollar uniforms and me in my 2000 dollars suits for them.
You think he is going to do that with every company?
If they threaten to leave without a deal. Trump will say ok leave and see what happens. Then he will tell them about we are making here be more business friendly if they don't. Then what could happen when they do leave.
Gets, The attorney needs to get a subpoena for that video, so if it does end up getting damaged, erased or missing they will pay a legal penalty. Hopefully some people did record the incident with their cell phones.
F1, Yeah, we'll also see if the incident report/police report filed by the 3 cops matches what the store video shows. I'm also thinking that the ones who recorded the latter part of the incident(after he screamed for bystanders to record cops beating on a guy who was complying) are holding on to the footage and not posting it online like kids would do.
Angela Merkel endorses burka ban 'wherever legally possible'
no surprise she has done this a year before the elections in Germany her power has really weakened since the migrant crisis her policy on refugees has really damaged her reputation not just in Germany worldwide even she has admitted it was a big mistake
most supported vulnerable refugees being allowd into the country but merkels policy meant 1 million people were allowed in last year Germany just cant cope and it has pissed a lot of German people of. I think this migrant crisis is seeing the end of the "German guilt" they all have in Germany ridiculous really there great grandfathers were Nazis not them why should they feel guilty
Angela Merkel endorses burka ban 'wherever legally possible'
no surprise she has done this a year before the elections in Germany her power has really weakened since the migrant crisis her policy on refugees has really damaged her reputation not just in Germany worldwide even she has admitted it was a big mistake
most supported vulnerable refugees being allowd into the country but merkels policy meant 1 million people were allowed in last year Germany just cant cope and it has pissed a lot of German people of. I think this migrant crisis is seeing the end of the "German guilt" they all have in Germany ridiculous really there great grandfathers were Nazis not them why should they feel guilty
She thinks that will shut up the Germans. She better think again. The Germans get a Long with the Turks. Except most Turkish are poor except for the ones that own their own businesses.
I will take the Turkish in Germany over the white Germans. Oh to heat their apartments the Turkish use dirty coal.
RE: Pearl Harbor Day today. You know how many remember where they were on 911 or JFK assassination, etc? Well, I'm guessing nobody here has a memory from that date.
I am reflecting back to my parents, who told me they were just coming out of the movie theater in 1941 and there were the "Extra" newspaper boys on the street. They told of how shocked they were. I imagine those who are still alive remember it like it was yesterday.
"Christopher's" son spray painting swastikas on college campus
article from nj.com
The older son of "Sopranos" actor Michael Imperioli and his wife Victoria faces criminal mischief charges after he allegedly spray-painted a swastika in a dorm at Purchase College.
The son of "Sopranos" star Michael Imperioli allegedly spray-painted a swastika in a dorm at SUNY Purchase College in Westchester County, the Journal News reports.
Vadim Imperioli faces a charge of with criminal mischief in the fourth degree, a misdemeanor, although during a court hearing Tuesday in another case involving the 19-year-old, the prosecutor told the judge that "there is consideration of it being upgraded to a felony." The prosecutor also said that Vadim had served three years' probation for vandalism in California, according to the Journal News.
Vadim Imperioli was in court Tuesday in a case of petty larceny for the unauthorized use of a car in October.
The swastika was painted on a bulletin board at Purchase College, where Imperioli had been enrolled, although it is unclear if he is still a student there. Another case of vandalism at the school, in which "Black Lives Don't Matter" was scrawled elsewhere on the campus, is still being investigated.
Before the election, there were a number of these types of crimes. Majority of them were done to pin it on "Trump supporters" The case of the two idiots at Northwestern comes to mind.
After the election, throughout the country these types of incidents are still happening. I have to think that in some of them, the people are actual bigots and they just feel more comfortable expressing themselves now.
There's a park in NYC named for the Beastie Boys member, MCA,who passed away...and recently some idiot sprayed the same hatred symbol there.
Before the election, there were a number of these types of crimes. Majority of them were done to pin it on "Trump supporters" The case of the two idiots at Northwestern comes to mind.
After the election, throughout the country these types of incidents are still happening. I have to think that in some of them, the people are actual bigots and they just feel more comfortable expressing themselves now.
There's a park in NYC named for the Beastie Boys member, MCA,who passed away...and recently some idiot sprayed the same hatred symbol there.
Gets,
I'm not going to claim that all of the recent spate of racist vandalism is a hoax, but based on what I've seen my opinion is that a lot of it is. What makes me think that this is the case with Imperioli is that he had a brief career as a stand up comedian, and a lot of them practice agitating their audiences as part of their act. I know, a generalization, but I'm not claiming it's a fact, it's just a reason for my guess.
the country just elected a president based solely on racism so everybody feels emboldened. americans looks even more dumber and detached from reality than before
You might be right in the case of Imperioli. Sometimes people don't think their talent is enough and resort to stunts. I don't think judges and juries can determine what is going on in someone's head, so in all of these cases if there is video evidence or other strong evidence ALL these people should suffer the legal penalty for the crime.
Just today I'm reading about a NY Giants player whose house was robbed for the second time in 2 weeks and this time the robbers left racist graffiti all over his house.
the country just elected a president based solely on racism so everybody feels emboldened. americans looks even more dumber and detached from reality than before
You might be right in the case of Imperioli. Sometimes people don't think their talent is enough and resort to stunts. I don't think judges and juries can determine what is going on in someone's head, so in all of these cases if there is video evidence or other strong evidence ALL these people should suffer the legal penalty for the crime.
Just today I'm reading about a NY Giants player whose house was robbed for the second time in 2 weeks and this time the robbers left racist graffiti all over his house.
I saw that. That is the work of a few stupid kids. The chances are good that they will find them. When they do charge them as if they were an adult,. also let their parents pay for the damages.
the country just elected a president based solely on racism so everybody feels emboldened. americans looks even more dumber and detached from reality than before
You might be right in the case of Imperioli. Sometimes people don't think their talent is enough and resort to stunts. I don't think judges and juries can determine what is going on in someone's head, so in all of these cases if there is video evidence or other strong evidence ALL these people should suffer the legal penalty for the crime.
Just today I'm reading about a NY Giants player whose house was robbed for the second time in 2 weeks and this time the robbers left racist graffiti all over his house.
If people would stop the racial hoaxes it would make it a hell of a lot easier to determine if vandalism was an act of real racism. So you are absolutely correct that they need to bring the hammer down on all these cases. The country needs to show that racism and hoaxes are both unacceptable and whosoever does either will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If there are hate crime laws in the statutes where the crimes occurred, apply them to both.
It's sad that Nikita Whitlock was a robbery victim, but the graffiti could go either way. Did the robbers spray paint "KKK" and "Trump" to divert attention or to make a racial statement? One example of this was Charles Manson, who drew racist graffiti in the houses where he and his followers murdered people. His graffiti included anti-white messages because he wanted people to think a black group committed those crimes. Another was Susan Smith, who blamed a black carjacker for the murder of her baby.
In the case of Imperioli, no, we won't know what's going on in his head, but if he makes some sort of statement we'll find out. Often when confronted they do confess.
Pharmaceutical Executives Charged in Racketeering Scheme
BOSTON – Several pharmaceutical executives and managers, formerly employed by Insys Therapeutics, Inc., were arrested today on charges that they led a nationwide conspiracy to bribe medical practitioners to unnecessarily prescribe a fentanyl-based pain medication and defraud healthcare insurers.
Counting all those dead people and immigrants votes as votes for Hillary, manufacturing inflammatory headlines against Donald Trump and hacking google algorithms to try and influence the vote didn't work.
lol. Have I ever said anything about John McCain here? This is the news section, and I'm sharing a couple of headlines. You're the one making everything personal, Moe. What is your problem? If you don't like the news, don't read the thread, or take it up with the NY Times, which is the source of the articles I shared. Is it instead your goal to censor everyone around you by way of attacking them when they merely discuss what they see in the news? What are you so afraid of?
Like Washington Post and NY Times completely abandoning journalistic ethics and impartiality by regurgitating one anti-Trump headline after another on their front page in the days leading up to their election?
And Google hacking algorithms in their search engines so search terms unfavorable to Hillary didn't come up?
Why are you posting something McCain said, don't you hate him?
It's unusual for you to put aside your hatred of someone or something and give credence to something they stated to the media!
Why are you being so personal? This is the news section and I'm sharing news stories. And, yes, that is censorship. Personally attacking someone just for talking about what they see in the news is a form of censorship. I don't recall ever offering an opinion about John McCain at this site. I like how you claim to know every single thing about me and have all of my political views pegged, as if I've discussed every single belief I have on this site. It's more of your personal attacks. There is something about these election stories that really scares you. I think you need to deal with whatever that is and leave me out of it. All I'm doing is discussing the stories of the day.
Yes, you are personally attacking me, and you're also wrong. I am posting news articles on this thread, which is titled "news". As far as the other threads go, I post comments that are on topic. Are the people who started those threads spamming too? Just what is your definition of spamming? Is it an actual definition from a dictionary or did you make it up? Do you refer to every news item or topic that angers you as "spamming"? It just seems to be all about you, Moe. This is a news section, and I've shared a couple of news articles. You don't like the content of the article, or you don't like the source, fine. You've said so. Leave me out of it and move on.
In normal times, most people would have agreed that reports of a foreign government interfering in US elections were disturbing, irrespective of political allegiance. Now, it seems, positions not taken on a purely partisan basis are as rare as hen's teeth.
Imagine the signal it sends to foreign powers if the US doesn't retaliate for election interference if that interference manages to work.
(I don't know if anyone here reads David Frum, but his twitter has been on fire over this)
I hate playing the game of "what if they did it" politics, but I could only imagine what people would have said if reports like this surrounded either of Obama's election victories. It probably would have started a civil war. Meanwhile, all people are asking for today is transparency.
(I'll play, because on this issue that's an easy one.)
To get a sense of how big of a deal this should be imagine the explosion of rage that would happen if Hillary Clinton won on the backs of Russian interference in the election. Then imagine she reacted to that fact by trashing the CIA and installing pro-Putin people in her administration. I'm pretty sure it would involve having to put down armed rioters. Clinton would have to be protected by the Secret Service like she was Pope John Paul II.
It's not ok to be ok with foreign governments influencing the elections as long as it's in favor of the party you favor. That's despicable, and it's very close to treasonous. And discouraging transparency on this is the wrong way to go.
(I'll play, because on this issue that's an easy one.)
To get a sense of how big of a deal this should be imagine the explosion of rage that would happen if Hillary Clinton won on the backs of Russian interference in the election. Then imagine she reacted to that fact by trashing the CIA and installing pro-Putin people in her administration. I'm pretty sure it would involve having to put down armed rioters. Clinton would have to be protected by the Secret Service like she was Pope John Paul II.
It's not ok to be ok with foreign governments influencing the elections as long as it's in favor of the party you favor. That's despicable, and it's very close to treasonous. And discouraging transparency on this is the wrong way to go.
Say if the hacking allegations are true, haven't Bill and Hillary already committed treason several times in the past by the same token?
Not sure how you've repudiated any news stories I've shared, Moe, but if you did so, your...repudiation would stand on its own merit. It wouldn't need a reply from myself, or anyone else for that matter. It would seem you're only seeking my reply in order to carry on some sort of flaming war. I'm not here for that. Sorry.
“I’ll be the first one to come out and point at Russia if there’s clear evidence, but there is no clear evidence — even now,” said Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and a member of the Trump transition team. “There’s a lot of innuendo, lots of circumstantial evidence, that’s it.”
All the more reason to bemoan the fact Hillary thought she was above normal security precautions, and let her private server get hacked.
Not sure how you've repudiated any news stories I've shared, Moe, but if you did so, your...repudiation would stand on its own merit. It wouldn't need a reply from myself, or anyone else for that matter. It would seem you're only seeking my reply in order to carry on some sort of flaming war. I'm not here for that. Sorry.
Any time I have posted something and specifically asked you to offer a rebuttal you have ignored it and continued spamming!
If you are going to spam an entire thread with your banalities, you should at least have the decency to engage with the discussion.
(I'll play, because on this issue that's an easy one.)
To get a sense of how big of a deal this should be imagine the explosion of rage that would happen if Hillary Clinton won on the backs of Russian interference in the election. Then imagine she reacted to that fact by trashing the CIA and installing pro-Putin people in her administration. I'm pretty sure it would involve having to put down armed rioters. Clinton would have to be protected by the Secret Service like she was Pope John Paul II.
It's not ok to be ok with foreign governments influencing the elections as long as it's in favor of the party you favor. That's despicable, and it's very close to treasonous. And discouraging transparency on this is the wrong way to go.
Say if the hacking allegations are true, haven't Bill and Hillary already committed treason several times in the past by the same token?
I'd like to have a clear idea of how you mean that treason was committed both both Bill and Hillary. Please feel free to reference US law on treason in your response, and how it applies to the C's.
It's quite simple, Helen. Hillary committed treason because Donald Trump said so. Donald Trump used that exact term. Hillary Clinton is also a liar, because Donald Trump called her "lyin' Hillary". She's crooked, because Trump called her "crooked Hillary". These things are true for no other reason than Trump saying it. It really is that simple. lol.
It's quite simple, Helen. Hillary committed treason because Donald Trump said so. Donald Trump used that exact term. Hillary Clinton is also a liar, because Donald Trump called her "lyin' Hillary". She's crooked, because Trump called her "crooked Hillary". These things are true for no other reason than Trump saying it. It really is that simple. lol.
Donald Trump didn't put people off voting for Clinton.
She did a good job of that herself by characterizing an entire segment of voters as "deplorables", by being subject to FBI investigations, by the utilization of platitudes in place of any clear strategy, and with her stilted performances in the debates - devoid of any energy or passion.
I don't get how Russia interfered with the election. Hackers and leaked e mails? If so then didn't they do the US a favor by leaking info?
It only makes sense that Russia didn't want Hillary. She promised to increase tension and conflict with Russia. Trump was threatening to make peace with Russia. Which is a scary thought that we might avoid a nuclear war. But maybe in four years John McCain and his type can pull it off. Be patient.
The time Bill sold missile targeting technology to China for campaign cash for one.
Please explain what Bill did, and why he wasn't charged. (Even later, when he was being impeached they could have pursued this if there was cause. They didn't. Do you know why?)
How would US law on treason apply in this case you've brought up?
I'm really looking forward to your reply explaining the China deal and how it constitutes treason, so that I see you understand what happened and aren't just parroting a talking point from Alex Jones. I'll settle for a link to a real news source.
Helen, oddly enough, a Trump supporter, the guy who created the cartoon Dilbert, was on Bill Maher and he explained the Trump appeal, and I think he was dead on. Trump typically uses one word to describe people. This is a sales tactic that he knows all too well. When you use one word descriptions, they tend to bounce around peoples heads longer than drawn out explanations. So, when Trump continuously repeats "Crooked Hillary", it plants the concept into peoples' minds. It's more effective than actually explaining why she's crooked, or detailing examples. Just say she's crooked. Just say she's a felon. And keep saying it. Over and over and over again. People will eventually believe it. It's a form of hypnosis. It's worked for Trump both in business and in politics.
^ There's something to that. It works well in politics, and is just as effective in many other parts of life (as any good cult leader could tell us).
I think there are plenty of legitimate criticisms that can be launched at the Clintons. I often judge people's political understanding on being able to make them or seeing if they just regurgitate nonsensical talking points.
Same for the current President. I have real gripes, and am always willing to discuss them. But when people make complaints like 'he wasn't a unifying president, america is still divided' or some such, I don't bother. I know what I'm dealing with at that point.
And I'm put off by how this topic of concern over foreign interference is being twisted to Hillary Clinton. It's not about her. It's not about a party. And anyone who thinks of themselves as an American should be interested in getting the truth of the story, not dismissing it because it may have worked out in their favor (this time).
I think the most prudent thing for the US to do would be to take immediate measures to investigate what, if anything has happened. If there has been a successful cyberattack that has materially affected the US election then:
(a) the immediate consequences have to be faced and dealt with. (b) systems must be reviewed to make any repetition impossible.
I don't get how Russia interfered with the election. Hackers and leaked e mails? If so then didn't they do the US a favor by leaking info?
It only makes sense that Russia didn't want Hillary. She promised to increase tension and conflict with Russia. Trump was threatening to make peace with Russia. Which is a scary thought that we might avoid a nuclear war. But maybe in four years John McCain and his type can pull it off. Be patient.
Well the CIA haven't actually said anything. An "alleged" "source" within the CIA "supposedly" said it to the Washington Post which tells us that at a minimum there is a faction or individual within the CIA who wants to delegitimize Trump or poison the well with Russia.
The job of the CIA is human intelligence. If anyone would be investigating the source of the hacks it would be the NSA.
As for whether Putin would want to hack Clinton's emails, I think it's obvious that he would but wanting to and actually succeeding is another thing. Based on what we know publicly, there's more evidence to suggest it was Seth Rich who leaked the DNC emails and not Russian hackers. That doesn't mean Russian hackers didn't dig up some info, but the Guccifer leaks were nothing so it seems unlikely they found anything good. The Podesta emails were hacked once by an unknown source and a second time by someone on 4chan. So to try and pin this all on Russia is suspect in itself. And let's not pretend that the US isn't hacking Russia's communications and trying their best to undermine Putin. This is what cyberwarfare is.
What I find strange is that the release of information is considered interference in an election. Nowhere in the western world is this the case. No one ever accused the News of the World of tampering with elections for hacking the phones of politicians. It's a bizarre double standard that has just been introduced conveniently enough to delegitimize the anti-globalist candidate.
Of course when morons - and I'm not saying Oak is a moron, okay I am - buy what the Washington Post is selling them after their biased coverage of the election campaign - then they are part of the problem.
Well, that sure was a childish quip. Moe, something about people sharing information really scares the shit out of you, for some reason. Your efforts at censoring people here by bullying and attacking them have yielded no results. You really should find something more productive to put your effort into.
So a court blocked Jill Stein's stupid attempt to have a recount in Pennsylvania, which was nothing more than an attempt to prevent the state from certifying its vote before the deadline.
3 attempted recounts, 2 which never happened, and millions of donations spent on lawyers fees.
I don't get how Russia interfered with the election. Hackers and leaked e mails? If so then didn't they do the US a favor by leaking info?
It only makes sense that Russia didn't want Hillary. She promised to increase tension and conflict with Russia. Trump was threatening to make peace with Russia. Which is a scary thought that we might avoid a nuclear war. But maybe in four years John McCain and his type can pull it off. Be patient.
I agree they wanted trump over Clinton they probably did hack the system and leaked some stuff. But to say they actually rigged the election? I think that's near impossible Russia are not stupid firstly I don't think they would have the ability to actually rig an election secondly they are not stupid the backlash from the US would be harsh
but I do find this hypocritical all you guys in the US crying about Russia hacking your system under Obama you guys bugged everything you guys were even listening to merkels phone calls Obama himself knew about and authorised it massive scandal over Europe you guys just apologised and stopped talking about it. Now someone is doing it to you guys and you all cry lol
I don't get how Russia interfered with the election. Hackers and leaked e mails? If so then didn't they do the US a favor by leaking info?
It only makes sense that Russia didn't want Hillary. She promised to increase tension and conflict with Russia. Trump was threatening to make peace with Russia. Which is a scary thought that we might avoid a nuclear war. But maybe in four years John McCain and his type can pull it off. Be patient.
I agree they wanted trump over Clinton they probably did hack the system. But to say they actually rigged the election? I think that's near impossible Russia are not stupid firstly I don't think they would have the ability to actually rig an election secondly they are not stupid the backlash from the US would be harsh
but I do find this hypocritical all you guys in the US crying about Russia hacking your system under Obama you guys bugged everything you guys were even listening to merkels phone calls Obama himself knew about and authorised it massive scandal over Europe you guys just apologised and stopped talking about it. Now someone is doing it to you guys and you all cry lol
Isn't it rich how the US media/propaganda machine reacts to this? Considering the extensive foreign interventions around the world.
I don't get how Russia interfered with the election. Hackers and leaked e mails? If so then didn't they do the US a favor by leaking info?
It only makes sense that Russia didn't want Hillary. She promised to increase tension and conflict with Russia. Trump was threatening to make peace with Russia. Which is a scary thought that we might avoid a nuclear war. But maybe in four years John McCain and his type can pull it off. Be patient.
I agree they wanted trump over Clinton they probably did hack the system and leaked some stuff. But to say they actually rigged the election? I think that's near impossible Russia are not stupid firstly I don't think they would have the ability to actually rig an election secondly they are not stupid the backlash from the US would be harsh
but I do find this hypocritical all you guys in the US crying about Russia hacking your system under Obama you guys bugged everything you guys were even listening to merkels phone calls Obama himself knew about and authorised it massive scandal over Europe you guys just apologised and stopped talking about it. Now someone is doing it to you guys and you all cry lol
Now now. We arent all hypocrites. The US was bugging other countries and directly interfering in other nation's elections long before Obama was a gleam in his father's eye...and many of us have criticized this coutry for it. Some quite loudly.
Under President Obama and Secretaries of State Hillary Clinton and John Kerry the USA has interfered with Israel's election and try to prevent Benjamin Netanyahu from winning an election, bombed Libya and helped overthrow its leader, supported the terrorist organization Muslim Brotherhood to take over Egypt; bombed Syria, tried to overthrow its leader and supported jihadists terrorists as long as they were against Assad, and bombed and took part in the war in Yemen. Who knows how many countries the USA has hacked. And that's far from everything, yet those who supported and continue to support Obama and Clinton have had almost nothing to say about it. Yet those same supporters are outraged that some Russians who may or may not be connected to the Kremlin hacked Clinton-related emails that gave proof of corruption. Yes, hypocrisy fits better than any other word to describe this faux outrage.
More importantly, when i clicked on the link i saw another story. Apparently, prince harry is having a secret romance. I have to keep my interest in world affairs in strict priority order.
"Republican Party leaders have strenuously denied that their computer systems were hacked. If they were, the fact that no GOP files were released would suggest Russia had decided to avoid disclosures that might embarrass the GOP, and raise suspicions that Moscow has stockpiled Republican files that might be used later in an effort to influence Trump."
Yeah, that's it. *rolls eyes*
Just look at the picture of the person who wrote the article.
Do you honestly expect a dyke librarian hippy who probably hasn't got laid since Nixon was in office to write an impartial article about Trump?
There was also support from Condoleezza Rice, a former secretary of state who refused to endorse Trump for president. She said: “I know Rex as a successful businessman and a patriot. He will represent the interests and the values of the United States with resolve and commitment. And he will lead the exceptional men and women of the state department with respect and dedication.”
had a feeling this was going to happen every time they try and do any sort of negation someones breaks it these things never last more than a couple of days and its the innocents who suffer
US and Russia agreement to bomb ISIS together even broke down after a week after the US "accidently" hit the Syrian Army killing 60 soldiers
[quote=OakAsFan]Condoleezza "Mushroom Cloud" Rice, who swore Iraq had nuclear weapons. She's lucky she's not in prison with the rest of the Bush administration. [/quot
I think Powell made that case not her. He became an obama guy so he would make the case about anyone. Didn't he make the case that obama was a Muslim not a Christian.
I guess he was right about that why else would he bring at least 10 thousand Muslims here and only 55 Christians who even the good muslems have been killing left and right.
The good Muslims also enjoy killing the gays as well. So you better watch out for them.
Fireman set fire to his OWN house and tried to pin it on BLM activists.
I have some understanding about why the girl lied. She's scared to death of her father. Even here in the U.S., Muslim fathers have killed daughters who get out of control or who date outside of their religion. Look at her in court. She's 18 years old, a legal adult, but she submitted to her father shaving all of her hair off. To make it clear to everyone else, I'm not saying that her hoax was okay, just that I understand where she's coming from.
As for the firefighter, he may be a racist and it backfired. If that's the case I'm sure he'll get what's coming to him.
Trump never claimed to be a libertarian, so whatever point you're trying to make bombed on impact.
Yeah I don't get it. Nobody ever thought Trump is libertarian. Nobody really even considers the GOP libertarian either. The libertarian party itself isn't even very libertarian.
That makes no sense. The article basically talks about how Trump's economic policies aren't very free market or libertarian. How does this describe people like me?
That's not all the article talks about, but carry on.
trump supporters overlook anything as long as trump proclaims racism. they'll let him lead us to death so they can call someone a racial slur at a stoplight
I noticed that seems to be a priority for a lot of them.
It reminds me of the old Chris Rock joke.
A white guy asks him since it's okay for black people to say n---, shouldn't it be okay for a white person to say it? Rock asks him, "why do you want to say it?"
Lol. The article talks about Trump's breaking away from traditional free market rhetoric of the GOP in favor of his anti free market style of being a president making deals with CEOs and bosses. Then you say it describes people like me for not getting your original point and now you're talking about people making racist slurs and jokes. Wow you guys are strange.
I saw the video CNN thought it would be good for its ratings. Guy shot him in the back multiple times he was dressed in a suit. Then did his bullshit speech,you know first he said God is great.
Then now a big truck ran over a bunch of people in Berlin 9 dead many injured. My daughters family is ok.
this is looking like terrorist attack now I 30 min ago it said one dead now it is 9 number going to keep going up almost identical to the attack in Nice terriosm is out of control in Europe at the moment especially in France and Germany
I think your going to see a change in attitude on how the Germans deal with Muslims now. I will say the Turkish muslems living in Germany and in turkey are not bad people. I do business with a lot of them and they are very cool soccer people as well.
I think your going to see a change in attitude on how the Germans deal with Muslims now. I will say the Turkish muslems living in Germany and in turkey are not bad people. I do business with a lot of them and they are very cool soccer people as well.
already seeing it foot Merkel recently said she would support banning the burka in certain places a couple of years ago that would have never happened peoples views have changed
It is not enough it will change more. Turkish muslems in Germany don't wear burkas.
Most of the Turkish muslems make their money by outdoor markets it is like a flea market here.
The poor muslems and for that matter poor Germans still heat their apartments using dirty coal. Like we did during the real depression.
They captured the driver and killed his partner who was sitting in the truck.
I just hope Isis takes credit for it. Then watch how fast Isis will be destroyed.
Turks are not the problem in Germany foot turks been around for a very long time in Germany never caused real problems
the guy was a polish citizen that's all we know for now.
ISIS is already dying foot losing territory all the time running out of money they themselves are not the real danger a lot of those animals in a year from now will be dead
the real dangers are the people who become radicliased by watching there videos or being influenced by other extreminest mulism preachers within there own country. They are the hardest to stop ISIS simply claim credit for the attack put it like this once ISIS are gone these attacks will continue another group will form people forget groups like Al Qaeda are still active. The other big problem is ISIS fighters returning from the middle east to Europe easy to do at the moment with the migrant crisis as ISIS continue to collapse in the middle east they will keep coming back already Europol said they know ISIS are sending fighters back to attack places in Europe because they know they are going to lose.
This has to be stopped within countries Muslims cant be allowed to be separated from everyone else easy to radicalise people if they feel they are not part of society creates a us vs them attitude especially with younger people. These scumbags who are radicloasing should be executed to me they are the biggest scumbags of them all.
Also there police are shit need to improve that fast in Germany not as bad as France but still shit Belgium aswell useless they never thought a terrorist attacked would happen in there countries only thought it would be US and UK. UK best security in Europe strong secret service and police used to dealing with the IRA this is not new.
Berlin attack: Lorry driver suspect 'denies involvement'
looks like he is a refugee. Merkel is going to struggle to get relection this is going to hurt her badly she allowed over a million refugees to come in stupidity by merkel fucking Germans still feel guilty about the Nazis so feel they have to be accepting to everyone. Yes the migrant crisis was very sad but people have to be realistic Germany was not and now they have shot themselves in the foot.
Isis if they are dying are not dying fast enough to suit me. There in a lot of countries kill them all including the home grown ones. Better to do it fast then slow.
Berlin attack: Lorry driver suspect 'denies involvement'
looks like he is a refugee. Merkel is going to struggle to get relection this is going to hurt her badly she allowed over a million refugees to come in stupidity by merkel fucking Germans still feel guilty about the Nazis so feel they have to be accepting to everyone. Yes the migrant crisis was very sad but people have to be realistic Germany was not and now they have shot themselves in the foot.
I agree. I think Germany still has residual SS guilt. I also think that the European countries who denied entry to German and Polish jews in WW2 were trying to make amends and correct history with their policies regarding the current refugees.
No matter how bad the crisis is, there HAS to be a screening process when it comes to accepting large waves of immigrants.
Even if .001 percent of the people are criminals/terrorists, that's too much. Countries have their own homegrown lowlifes and problems to be able to deal with this terrorist bullshit.
Isis if they are dying are not dying fast enough to suit me. There in a lot of countries kill them all including the home grown ones. Better to do it fast then slow.
dont worry trump will get us into a war . soon enough
Isis if they are dying are not dying fast enough to suit me. There in a lot of countries kill them all including the home grown ones. Better to do it fast then slow.
dont worry trump will get us into a war . soon enough
Maybe the left anarchists wants a civil war here would you be up for that?
Isis if they are dying are not dying fast enough to suit me. There in a lot of countries kill them all including the home grown ones. Better to do it fast then slow.
dont worry trump will get us into a war . soon enough
Maybe the left anarchists wants a civil war here would you be up for that?
trump supporters think they want a civil war but this country can't afford it. our power is waning and now an unrespected lunatic is taking over with his own policies
I am sure if their was a civil war the left would start it and they would pay black gang bangers to do it for them. Because we know how tough 60 yr old anarchists from the 1960s are like those that lead occupy wall street were especially after they got fingers in their eyes were calling for police to arrest he older guy who did it to them
Don't worry there are always have guys like Oak who would run away from a real fight.
May the guy from mash who played blow job honeycutt will actually fight it or DeNiro he is a real fighter in the movies
Maybe that isn't the guy. They found his information under the seat of the truck that was used to kill those people.
So he goes to Poland he steals a full truck he kills the driver and puts his body into the truck. He kills all those people but then he leaves his personal info under the seat.
The first part he handled like he knew what he was doing. Then he leaves his info under the seat like he was a retarded.
I got to believe the info he left behind belonged to someone else probably a dead man.
I think they can't find him because they are looking for the wrong guy.
I am sure if their was a civil war the left would start it and they would pay black gang bangers to do it for them. Because we know how tough 60 yr old anarchists from the 1960s are like those that lead occupy wall street were especially after they got fingers in their eyes were calling for police to arrest he older guy who did it to them
Don't worry there are always have guys like Oak who would run away from a real fight.
May the guy from mash who played blow job honeycutt will actually fight it or DeNiro he is a real fighter in the movies
certainly terroist attacks will continue in Europe due to lax immigration policies in England, Germany, france, Belgium. and I fear we may get hit again also. it's time to get tough with immigrants, it has to be done, trump had a measure of success by bringing this to a major issue.
Why are people so certain that tougher immigration policies would stop terrorism? Seems like a delusional view, at best.
Pretty sure not allowing tens of thousands of refugees from countries with known terror links can't be a bad thing. Let's give it a try, see how it works.
Pretty sure not allowing tens of thousands of refugees from countries with known terror links can't be a bad thing. Let's give it a try, see how it works.
Pretty sure not allowing tens of thousands of refugees from countries with known terror links can't be a bad thing. Let's give it a try, see how it works.
Why?
Because obviously letting them in by the tens of thousands isn't working. What would be your solution?
I am sure if their was a civil war the left would start it and they would pay black gang bangers to do it for them. Because we know how tough 60 yr old anarchists from the 1960s are like those that lead occupy wall street were especially after they got fingers in their eyes were calling for police to arrest he older guy who did it to them
Don't worry there are always have guys like Oak who would run away from a real fight.
May the guy from mash who played blow job honeycutt will actually fight it or DeNiro he is a real fighter in the movies
Nobody in the U.S., including myself, wants another Civil War, certainly not a racial war. That being said, if it happens so be it. I am from the country. We all own many guns. Our great grandparents, grandparents, parents, ourselves, and our children all know how to aim and we all can hit a target. No gangster grip allowed. Youtube Gangster Grip....LOL.
Because obviously letting them in by the tens of thousands isn't working.
How could you determine that turning them away would work?
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What would be your solution?
Getting our troops out of any country that isn't a military threat to our homeland. To stop agitating an entire region of the planet for our own business interests.
I am from the country. We all own many guns. Our great grandparents, grandparents, parents, ourselves, and our children all know how to aim and we all can hit a target.
What makes you think guns would be the only form of weapons used in a U.S. civil war?
Because obviously letting them in by the tens of thousands isn't working.
How could you determine that turning them away would work?
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What would be your solution?
Getting our troops out of any country that isn't a military threat to our homeland. To stop agitating an entire region of the planet for our own business interests.
I also agree with getting our troops out of any other country, along with any missionary, foreign aid, or charity work. Let them go to war and kill each other and let the chips fall where they may. That's always been my opinion.
I am from the country. We all own many guns. Our great grandparents, grandparents, parents, ourselves, and our children all know how to aim and we all can hit a target.
What makes you think guns would be the only form of weapons used in a U.S. civil war?
Because I am pretty sure the urban communities don't have any ICBM's.
Because I am pretty sure the urban communities don't have any ICBM's.
If there really were a civil war in the United States, do you honestly think it would be rural whites vs. urban blacks, with no other allies or belligerents? Perhaps this is the real reason you want to crack down on Muslim immigrants. The war you're dreaming of against Chicago gang bangers would be a different fight if Islamic militants join their bunker.
Why don't you ask him if he wants to start a civil war, since you believe that's what he meant?
Well, you threw your hat in the ring and said he didn't mean it that way, which of course is total bullshit. Of course he meant it that way. Who says "you up for that?" for any other reason? I've never heard that phrase used in a context that wasn't inviting, daring.
Why don't you ask him if he wants to start a civil war, since you believe that's what he meant?
Well, you threw your hat in the ring and said he didn't mean it that way, which of course is total bullshit. Of course he meant it that way. Who says "you up for that?" for any other reason? I've never heard that phrase used in a context that wasn't inviting, daring.
Unlike you, I don't claim read other people's minds or say that I know their motivations based on insufficient evidence. I'd rather ask and confirm or refute your claim.
Unlike you, I don't claim read other people's minds or say that I know their motivations based on insufficient evidence.
But...you did exactly that. You claimed to know what Foots meant by that comment. Maybe you're backpedaling now because after rereading it you've realized he meant it as a provocation. After all, there's no room for any other interpretation. I've never heard anyone use the phrase "You up for that?" in a way that wasn't some sort of invitation or challenge.
The topic of civil war and race war has been mentioned on this site before, during the riots in Baltimore or Ferguson ill say what o sad before won't happen.
Ray: Well, who are the half-castes gonna fight with?
Jimmy: The blacks, man. That’s obvious.
Ray: But what about the Pakistanis?
Jimmy: The blacks.
Ray: What about… Think of a hard one. What about the Vietnamese?
Jimmy: The blacks!
Ray: Well, I’m definitely fighting with the blacks if they’ve got the Vietnamese. So, hang on. Would all of the white midgets in the world be fighting against all the black midgets in the world?
Ray: Well, who are the half-castes gonna fight with?
Jimmy: The blacks, man. That’s obvious.
Ray: But what about the Pakistanis?
Jimmy: The blacks.
Ray: What about… Think of a hard one. What about the Vietnamese?
Jimmy: The blacks!
Ray: Well, I’m definitely fighting with the blacks if they’ve got the Vietnamese. So, hang on. Would all of the white midgets in the world be fighting against all the black midgets in the world?
The topic of civil war and race war has been mentioned on this site before, during the riots in Baltimore or Ferguson ill say what o sad before won't happen.
I agree. With the technology now, methods of travel, advancement in weaponry, different forms of terrorism such as cyber, poisoning water supplies, shutting down power grids, etc. I don't see any way a civil war could take place in a nation as advanced as ours. yates seems to think that a civil war would entail southern whites vs. rioters in Ferguson, and they would line up 10 at a time with their muskets. I've always said, if there were ever to be a second civil war in this country, it already happened, and the people who are in power now won.
So, this is what the next 4 years are going to be like.
Trump: "I'm going to ban Muslim immigrants"
Trump's chief counsel, Kellyanne Conway: "He's not going to ban Muslim immigrants"
Trump: "I'm going to build a wall. Such a big wall"
Conway: "He's not going to build a wall"
Has anyone ever seen anything like this? Someone on a president's staff contradicting all of their announcements? Heck, at any level of government? He's not even inaugurated yet and this is already a circus.
this Is disgusting Russia and US expanding there nuclear weapons its 2016 not 1950 why are more nuclear weapons needed? no one is ever going to use them nuclear war will never happen no one not even North Korea they need Chinas approval who would never give it to them nuclear weapons are useless
All they do is bring danger if they accidently go of or the technology used to control them sends them by mistake plus they are ridiculously expensive
Not necessarily himself, the world. The ultimate accomplishment. Being the one who turns out the lights. No human being lives after him. It's almost biblical. As far as him just killing himself, that's sort of off topic. We're talking about tragedies...
Not necessarily himself, the world. The ultimate accomplishment. Being the one who turns out the lights. No human being lives after him. It's almost biblical. As far as him just killing himself, that's sort of off topic. We're talking about tragedies...
not sure about that oak bit fucked up you just came up with yourself lol you make it him about to be the devil I agree hes a bit of a [BadWord] but there is a lot worse out there than trump hes a saint compared to some
So, this is what the next 4 years are going to be like.
Trump: "I'm going to ban Muslim immigrants"
Trump's chief counsel, Kellyanne Conway: "He's not going to ban Muslim immigrants"
Trump: "I'm going to build a wall. Such a big wall"
Conway: "He's not going to build a wall"
Gaslighting. Its an extremely effective behavioral strategy. It's often employed by sociopaths and narcissists. Politics and gaslighting know each other very long and very well.
And for you kids too young to remember it, Gaslight is an excellent film starring some greats - Ingrid Bergman, Joseph Cotton, Charles Boyer and a very young Angela Lansbury. Give it a go.
You mean those people with names like Gonzales and Martinez working in the fields? They didn't vote for Trump, and they are the working class in this country.
Because I am pretty sure the urban communities don't have any ICBM's.
If there really were a civil war in the United States, do you honestly think it would be rural whites vs. urban blacks, with no other allies or belligerents? Perhaps this is the real reason you want to crack down on Muslim immigrants. The war you're dreaming of against Chicago gang bangers would be a different fight if Islamic militants join their bunker.
Sorry, I meant Chicago Gangbangers and the spoiled liberal white folks on their cock.It's funny you liberal are always sympathetic to urban war zones, but wouldn't dare step foot in one because you know they'd fuck your white ass up over nothing.
The topic of civil war and race war has been mentioned on this site before, during the riots in Baltimore or Ferguson ill say what o sad before won't happen.
I agree. With the technology now, methods of travel, advancement in weaponry, different forms of terrorism such as cyber, poisoning water supplies, shutting down power grids, etc. I don't see any way a civil war could take place in a nation as advanced as ours. yates seems to think that a civil war would entail southern whites vs. rioters in Ferguson, and they would line up 10 at a time with their muskets. I've always said, if there were ever to be a second civil war in this country, it already happened, and the people who are in power now won.
Southern whites? No. Rural white people. You know, like the ones that elected your next President. Wrote us off before and got egg on your face. That's why I am confidant. You idiots just don't learn that we will only take so much. That's why YOUR new President is Donald J. Trump. So please keep up with the liberal talking points. It's working out great for me. LOL!!!
I hoping trump takes the atom bomb and shoves it up oaks ass.
we're the country that has to worry about getting nuked with trump as president
Pretty sure we're not the country that has to worry about getting nuked. We have more "strategic" nuclear weapons than anyone. You nuke any 1 city in our nation you're getting 100 returned to sender. Nobody will risk that. And I said more "strategic". Key word there. Russia technically has more but they aren't ready to go. That's beside the point though. Russia and the U.S. are besties now. It's US/Russia as the A-team. Fuck the rest of the world.
You mean those people with names like Gonzales and Martinez working in the fields? They didn't vote for Trump, and they are the working class in this country.
I'm the working class in this country. 50 or more hours a week. Along with the other hard working Hispanic, Blacks, Asians, Africans, and other foreigners that work in the same place as I do. WE are the working class silent Trump voter. That's what you gamers that do no work will never get. But, like I said keep it up. It's working out great for us so far. I would even like to say Thank You Oak. Because without people like you and your kind, Donald J. Trump wouldn't have been elected. But because working people got sick and tired of listening to liberals sitting at their parents home playing XBox telling citizens how to live, we finally said screw it and threw a monkey wrench into the whole system. Bahahahahahaha.
You notice in the article they wouldn't even mention Andrew McClinton is a black guy. I'm surprised they mentioned Donald donated money to help with the rebuild. It's a shame this had to happen, but I know Trump supporters didn't burn a church for 3 reasons. #1. why would we be mad enough to burn a church and spray paint "Vote Trump" on it, what would it accomplish? We're not dumb like Hillary supporters #2 We are law abiding citizens, we wouldn't burn churches and #3. We are too busy at our jobs to have time for protests and arson.
What that article also didn't state was that the congregation of the all black church that was burned was welcomed at an all white church in Greeneville while they rebuilt their church. See the media focuses on negative things. They want to keep everything racial, especially in Mississippi. That is why they won't say that the all white church welcomed them with open arms after a black member of their church spray painted "Vote Trump" on their church then burned it down.
I typically don't respond directly to your arguments because they're best left ignored, but I will respond to one.
Donald Trump will NEVER be my president.
You live in the U.S. after January 20th he is your President no matter what you say. See I didn't like Obama. But he is my President and has been since 09. That is the difference between us. I can say it, I can accept things that don't go my way. Liberals just cant stand a difference of opinions. Which worked out well for me. LOL. Now say it. MY President Trump. Come January 20th if you live in the U.S. I want you to watch him take that oath and say, "That's MY new President Donald J. Trump" if your balls have dropped by then. If you're not living in the U.S. that cold January day then good look in your new country Canada or Greece. Trust and believe me when I say this, Nobody in the U.S. will care or miss you or any other of the deadbeats. Good Riddance and thank you for OUR new President.
Just heard that actress Carrie Fisher suffered a fatal heart attack on a plane coming from London to LAX. She's listed in critical condition. I hope she makes it.
Carrie Fisher suffered a full cardiac arrest on Friday while aboard an airplane going from London to LAX, an emergency official confirmed to Variety. The actress is in critical condition, according to the Los Angeles Times.
Airport police responded at approximately 12:15 p.m. PT to a woman with a medical emergency on a plane a Terminal 7, but they couldn’t confirm the identify of the victim, public information officer Alicia Hernandez told Variety.
The female victim had gone into cardiac arrest and officers from the Los Angeles County Fire Department were already on the scene performing CPR, when airport police arrived. She was transported to local hospital for medical treatment.
Fisher reportedly went into cardiac arrest about 15 minutes before the plane landed, TMZ first reported.
Oak leaving America for his new country, Greece, with all his worldly possessions.
2 weeks later he moves back to America after discovering that Greece is on the brink of economic collapse, there is no craft beer over there and his bicycle was stolen by an Iraqi migrant.
Nope. I'm joining the tea party. I don't trust government. Any government. Vote them all out! I refuse to recognize Donald Trump as my president.
little late OAK, they already voted. Only way Trump won't be your President is if you move out of Mom and Dad's and leave the country. I hear Greece is nice from 2017 to 2025.
I keep seeing people arguing about wether or not Trump is their president. Kind of strange and a little disturbing.
Does the figurehead of the executive branch of the federal government define you that much? Or were you under the impression that he's supposed to? I mean, unless you're active duty military or you actually work within the executive branch under the president, then he's not "your" president. He's just "the" president. It's like people so badly want a daddy as the figurehead of the federal government. "Not my daddy" "oh the last guy was but not this one he's not my REAL dad" please stop
It's like people so badly want a daddy as the figurehead of the federal government. "Not my daddy" "oh the last guy was but not this one he's not my REAL dad" please stop
It's like people so badly want a daddy as the figurehead of the federal government. "Not my daddy" "oh the last guy was but not this one he's not my REAL dad" please stop
Lol Pretty much how people are. Super skeptical of the government when a president of the opposing party gets into power. Then the roles switch again when their party wins.
A lot of killings in Chicago. Democrat mayor is doing a great job there.
Chicago could have gone the way of New York, specifically Giuliani, and punished illegal firearm possession severely. Instead the democrats in the state legislature didn't do so. Why? They didn't want to disproportionately impact African american males. Now you can argue the merits of that argument either way, but you can not argue the results on gun crime and murders in that city.
If it wasn't for Chicago, or more specifically, Cook County, Illinois would be a republican state. The problem is the Democrat party has been sticking up the taxpayers in Illinois for over 60 years. The public sector unions, pensions, taxes, crime, and cost of living have brought the city and state to its knees.
The only solace from this whole thing is when the state crumbles under the weight of its own debt and comes to the oval with its hand out, president Trump will be nowhere to be found. Just like California when Bush didn't bail out Gray Davis.
one of the few times I agree with Putin this shit is embarrassing the sanctions are understandable expelling diplomats I cant understand they are doing there job
Also as soon as Trump gets in cant he just get rid of the sanctions on Russia don't really understand why Obama is doing this now
one of the few times I agree with Putin this shit is embarrassing the sanctions are understandable expelling diplomats I cant understand they are doing there job
Also as soon as Trump gets in cant he just get rid of the sanctions on Russia don't really understand why Obama is doing this now
Obama hasn't had any credibility on foreign policy for quite a while. The dems are trying to fight the Cold War 30 years late. Sadly, the Russians and the western world have a common enemy. How does the saying go? The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Everything obama does is political and nothing more. Putin knows that so he is not forcing trump to act by doing his own. Smart move by putan very smart.
Obama on other hand hates Israel. That will back fire as well. When trump is the president.
Leader of each country should act in the best interest of their country, so I take that into consideration when I hear foreign leaders speak.... BUT I feel like laughing when Netanyahu said that he doesn't want to be "lectured by other countries" about this or that.
You don't want to be lectured? Why not turn down the foreign aid you get from U.S.? Cut the umbilical cord already . Israel is a well developed advanced country, what is the justification for so much foreign aid.
Leader of each country should act in the best interest of their country, so I take that into consideration when I hear foreign leaders speak.... BUT I feel like laughing when Netanyahu said that he doesn't want to be "lectured by other countries" about this or that.
You don't want to be lectured? Why not turn down the foreign aid you get from U.S.? Cut the umbilical cord already . Israel is a well developed advanced country, what is the justification for so much foreign aid.
completely agree getts don't know what Israel are crying about the amount of aid the US gives them is beyond ridiculous if the US wanted to they could stop giving Israel all these weapons see how long they would last what a joke.
Also Israel are in the wrong this time if every country in the UN either voted against or abstained then its telling you something. Why do some of you think US should have vetoed it? actually give me a reason why should Israel be allowed to do whatever they want?
Whenever so much bloodshed has occurred, it's delicate topic overall to discuss. I tend to avoid commenting on the decades or centuries long conflicts going on around the world for this reason. Like I said though, each country has a right to act in their own best interest, but the days are gone when ANY criticism of Israel or Israeli policy gets a person labeled as anti-Israel, or anti-Jewish.
Took a lot of chutzpah for Netanyahu to make that "don't lecture us about the importance of peace" comment.
We have one of best self promoters in our nation's history in office in a few weeks. If you think the guy going out didn't have the country's best interest at heart.....you ain't seen nothing yet.
We have one of best self promoters in our nation's history in office in a few weeks. If you think the guy going out didn't have the country's best interest at heart.....you ain't seen nothing yet.
I'm not a fan of Trump. It doesn't hurt my feelings.
Funding the state of Israel has been more contentious lately because of the influence of the BDS movement. The premise of the BDS movement is that Israel has been stealing land, which is totally false. It ignores the facts and history.
First, it's ignored that Jews have lived in what is now Israel for 3000 years, and they've lived there continuously. Going back to Abraham and then hundreds of years later when Joshua led the Hebrews to the Promised Land, Jews have lived there. They formed the Kingdom of Israel, which then split into Judah and Israel, then lived there under the occupation of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Syrians, Greeks and Romans. Even after the destruction of Masada in 73, they continued to live there. When the first Crusaders arrived in Jerusalem, they killed a lot of the Jews who lived there. When the Ottoman Turks ruled over that area in the 1800s, they took regular censuses and counted thousands of Jews. Yet a lot of BDS supporters believe that the Jews only started moving in with the Zionist movement in the late 1800s.
They also are ignorant of the fact that the British occupied the area from 1917 as the Turks were losing in World War I. The British and the French took a lot of territory from the Turks and chose to do with it as they wished, which is what happens in wars. After all, it wasn't originally Turkish territory anyway. The British established a mandate from the Jews in Palestine. As more Jews moved in they paid for and bought land from Muslim landowners. Other Muslims threatened the sellers with death, and several times those threats were carried out.
Eventually the British capitulated to Muslim Arab demands and divided the land in a piecemeal fashion that pleased nobody. Transjordan was considered the state for Muslim Palestinians, but that wasn't enough and they wanted the Jews out. In 1948, Israel became an official country and immediately all of its Muslim neighbors attacked it. Palestinian leaders had told their people to leave with expectation that they were going to win, but that didn't work out so well. In the meantime, Muslim Middle Eastern countries expelled several hundred thousand Jews. If Israel didn't take them in they would have been killed. In the 1967 war, Israel's neighbors again attacked and lost, and Israel captured territory. In 1973 they attacked again and lost.
Meanwhile, Anwar Sadat of Egypt decided he'd have enough fighting and made a serious deal for peace, and Israel returned the Sinai. It was a good deal for Egypt, but Sadat was assassinated for what he did.
Over and over again Israel has sought peace and various Palestinian groups went through the motions. Yasser Arafat, the Egyptian-born head of the PLO, never closed any peace deals because his goal was to not have an Israel. Although the PLO includes Christians, it is dominated by Left-wing Arab Muslims that includes a contingent who want to implement Sharia. Arafat, meanwhile, stole millions of dollars meant to help the poor. The PLO did recognize Israel's right to exist and in turn gave the PLO recognition as a non-terrorist group, although it was responsible for several massacres and mass murders. It renounced violence and operates as the authority in the West Bank.
In Gaza, however, the Palestinians voted in Hamas, a Muslim Brotherhood terrorist group that has in its charter the annihilation of Israel. The Gazans don't want a two-state solution. They want one state. Jews are to be killed, converted, or to live as second-class citizens who pay a monthly mafia tax.
Compare that to Muslims living in Israel. They can and do serve in the military and in parliament. They have full rights. Those Arab Muslims who support Israel for the freedom they experience are called traitors and apostates by the anti-Israel Muslims. In orthodox Islam, the penalty for being an apostate is death.
So why support Israel? One reason is that its supporters don't want to see the genocide of 8 1/2 million Israelis. Another is that it's a reliable democratic republic that has always supported the United States and Britain. So it serves as a line of defense against jihadist groups that want to spread Islam by the sword for the ultimate goal of a one-world caliphate.
After considering all that, to me Benjamin Netanyahu has a good point.
Funding the state of Israel has been more contentious lately because of the influence of the BDS movement. The premise of the BDS movement is that Israel has been stealing land, which is totally false. It ignores the facts and history.
In my opinion, the entire BDS movement is predicated on hatred for Jews. It is very thinly cloaked. To try to make a historical argument presupposes the people you are arguing with have any interest in facts.
I get a good chuckle out of those who argue against funding for Israel, when we give billions of dollars to Arab countries that outwardly speak in favor of our destruction. Of course, you will never hear any of these same people complain about our giving money to terror-sponsoring regimes.
I have a proposal, let's stop giving money to these arab countries, de-fund the UN, and spend the money on our veterans.
Whenever so much bloodshed has occurred, it's delicate topic overall to discuss. I tend to avoid commenting on the decades or centuries long conflicts going on around the world for this reason. Like I said though, each country has a right to act in their own best interest, but the days are gone when ANY criticism of Israel or Israeli policy gets a person labeled as anti-Israel, or anti-Jewish.
Took a lot of chutzpah for Netanyahu to make that "don't lecture us about the importance of peace" comment.
True its extremely complicated and no easy solution to solving the conflict i do however feel there needs to be a discussion and compromise which has not happened yet international help UN needs to be involved but in the past it has just been US dominated talks which has made the situation worse for some reason superpowers always feel its there right to interfere and they know the answers to the worlds problems used to be UK then it was the US and Soviet Union and now its just the US. Russia of today is not a superpower it pretends to be a superpower. China government is too centralised to ever be a superpower. US is a dying superpower reminds me of Britain during the 1950s.
Obama caused a lot of problems worldwide but you cant even compare him to Trump still we all knew this was going to happen Clinton would have been just as bad.
And look at Trumps ambassador to Israel we are in for a long 4 years
Funding the state of Israel has been more contentious lately because of the influence of the BDS movement. The premise of the BDS movement is that Israel has been stealing land, which is totally false. It ignores the facts and history.
In my opinion, the entire BDS movement is predicated on hatred for Jews. It is very thinly cloaked. To try to make a historical argument presupposes the people you are arguing with have any interest in facts.
I get a good chuckle out of those who argue against funding for Israel, when we give billions of dollars to Arab countries that outwardly speak in favor of our destruction. Of course, you will never hear any of these same people complain about our giving money to terror-sponsoring regimes.
I have a proposal, let's stop giving money to these arab countries, de-fund the UN, and spend the money on our veterans.
really defund the UN you know the amount of good they do in supplying food aid to countries all over the world millions would starve without UN help they have done a lot of good in Africa and saved a lot of lifes. The UN needs reform no point it having an army those peacekeepers are useless have guns but cant fire.
Defund arab countries lol you created the mess with invading Iraq supporting coups in Syria, Egypt and Libya you guys pay for the costs. You want the Iraqi army and Jordan to fight ISIS right? then expect to pay for it nothing comes for free Lebanon holding all those Syrian refugees dont pay them they will let them all come into the West nothing comes for free. The Kurds they are fighting ISIS they need weapons they cost money. I do agree with you on not supporting these "moderate" arab groups the US backs those groups are very far from being moderate half of them are connected to Al Qeada
faithul its a very controversial topic everyone has very polarized views on who is to blame i agree with a parts of what you said but as getts said its a topic i dont like to discuss as people get very passionate about and will never change there minds on. However the vote was on the settlement issue faith not on who was the cause of the war and there is a reason not a single country supported Israel and i dont think every country who had the chance to vote abstained or voted against because of the BDS movement
Israel does have its right to protect itself so i understand there reason for believing they deserve significant US aid but i dont personally agree why Israel? so what US has a lot of allies who are crying out for even a fraction of the aid Israel gets Nigeria for example they are currently fighting Boko Harem and Al Qeada they are significantly underfunded Ethiopia aswell the collapse of the Africa United army fighting Boko Harem recently is because of the lack of west financial support the whole thing is political US politicians want the Jewish vote. Also Israel is getting all this aid and weapons from the US its fair to say they would have never survived if they dident help them what right does Israel have to citizen the US when they rely on them militarily
F1, That's good background and context for the topic. But Rabin was also assassinated for making overtures towards peace, and just like Sadat....it was by an element of his own people who didn't truly want peace.
I noted that Israel is an advanced country, fully capable of functioning without so much aid. It cannot be justified.I don't think that the military support can be justified anymore either.
FatDom,
I think you're simplifying the nature of what BDS might be about. Every single time I've watched an interview about that movement, the person speaking was of Jewish descent. Unless they are all "self hating Jews", I hardly think you could paint a movement with so many Jews at the forefront as being anti-Jewish. These are old excuses that don't fly anymore.
Gangster, complicated topic for sure. I think China is a superpower, but will not exert/extend itself as others have in the past.
Gets, You're right that Rabin was assassinated for the Oslo Accords, but his assassin was tried and sent to prison, where he currently rots. When Palestinians commit an act of terrorism it's not unusual for the government to pay off their families or to even have a street named after them. The Israeli government and media don't teach Israelis to murder Palestinians, but the Palestinian states have TV programs that teach young children to stab Jews and hate them. There's a different mentality.
As for aid, it's hard to say. Maybe we shouldn't give any country foreign aid. It has to be looked at in a case-by-case basis and in context. Israel is advanced, but can it fully function without aid? I don't know. But the U.S. can't be supporting Israel's enemies and then cutting it off. Not unless we want another Holocaust.
As for BDS, I respectfully disagree. Maybe not every supporter of the movement is anti-Semitic, but that doesn't mean that BDS in itself is not. It was founded and sponsored by the Palestinian BDS National Committee, and its ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel. BDS defames and slanders Israel by calling it "racist" and "apartheid," and puts all the blame for the conflict on Israel while turning Palestinians into victims. It's worse than a hypocritical double-standard. It's the only Jewish state in the world, in contrast to over twenty different Muslim states. Moreover, Palestinians already have a Palestinian state called Jordan.
What about its support by people of Jewish descent? For the most part, they are on the political Far Left and religion plays no role in their lives. They are secular. I'm not going to claim that they are "self-hating Jews," just that they have a mindset that has more in common with some form of radicalism, like Marxism, than having a belief in God. BDS shares a belief in anti-colonialism that Marxists have, although Islam is by nature colonialist.
Here is a statement from the BDS website: The BDS movement aims to pressure Israel to respect international law by:
1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall. International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.
BDS also doesn't take into account that Israeli actions, like the blockade, are REACTIONS to Palestinian violence. BDS fails to mention that Israel has tried to negotiate with the West Bank, but its leader refused to participate. In Gaza the leaders call for the end of Israel as a state and the death of all Jews. Syria lost the Golan Heights in the 1967 war when it attacked Israel, but Israel was willing to return it in exchange for a peace agreement. In 1973 Syria tried to retake it by military force and failed, yet Israel agreed to return 5% of the territory to Syrian civilian control. All of Israel is visible from the Golan Heights, so it is of strategic importance. Syria or Hezbollah could use it as a launching pad to fire off missiles to cause massive destruction and loss of life. Does the BDS care about any of these historical facts? No.
Maybe, just maybe, if the Palestinians and their supporters stopped attacking and killing Israelis and cooperated and had an interest in peace there wouldn't be a problem. To paraphrase someone I respect, if all the Palestinians laid down their arms and chose peace, there would be peace and an end to the conflict. If all Israelis laid down their arms and chose peace, there'd be a lot of dead Israelis.
Quora question: Is it true that Israel offered Palestinians "97% of their land" back, and the Palestinians rejected? What does this frequently cited story refer to?
Answer by Dennis Levy:
Yes, it is true. Actually they were offered 97% of the West Bank and all of Gaza, sovereignty over the Temple Mount, full and final compensation for all refugees of the 1948 war, and a few other things. In exchange they had to agree to a permanent peace. The deal was brokered by Bill Clinton and he could hardly believe that they turned it down.
The following are excerpts from President Bill Clinton's autobiography, "My Life," published in 2005.
... December 23, was a fateful day for the Middle East peace process. After the two sides had been negotiating again for several days at Bolling Air Force Base, my team and I became convinced that unless we narrowed the range of debate, in effect forcing the big compromises up front, there would never be an agreement. Arafat was afraid of being criticized by other Arab leaders; Barak was losing ground to Sharon at home. So I brought the Palestinian and Israeli teams into the Cabinet Room and read them my “parameters” for proceeding. These were developed after extensive private talks with the parties separately since Camp David. If they accepted the parameters within four days, we would go forward. If not, we were through.
I read them slowly so that both sides could take careful notes. On territory, I recommended 94 to 96 percent of the West Bank for the Palestinians with a land swap from Israel of 1 to 3 percent, and an understanding that the land kept by Israel would include 80 percent of the settlers in blocs. On security, I said Israeli forces should withdraw over a three-year period while an international force would be gradually introduced, with the understanding that a small Israeli presence in the Jordan Valley could remain for another three years under the authority of the international forces. The Israelis would also be able to maintain their early-warning station in the West Bank with a Palestinian liaison presence. In the event of an “imminent and demonstrable threat to Israel’s security,” there would be provision for emergency deployments in the West Bank.
The new state of Palestine would be “nonmilitarized,” but would have a strong security force; sovereignty over its airspace, with special arrangement to meet Israeli training and operational needs; and an international force for border security and deterrence.
On Jerusalem, I recommended that the Arab neighborhoods be in Palestine and the Jewish neighborhoods in Israel, and that the Palestinians should have sovereignty over the Temple Mount/Haram and the Israelis sovereignty over the Western Wall and the “holy space” of which it is a part with no excavation around the wall or under the Mount at least without mutual consent.
On refugees, I said that the new state of Palestine should be the homeland for refugees displaced in the 1948 war and afterward, without ruling out the possibility that Israel would accept some to the refugees according to its own laws and sovereign decisions, giving priority to the refugee population sin Lebanon. I recommended an international effort to compensate refugees and assist them in finding houses in the new state of Palestine, in the land-swap areas to be transferred to Palestine, in their current host countries, in other willing nations, or in Israel. Both parties should agree that this solution would satisfy United Nations Resolution 194.
Finally, the agreement had to clearly mark the end of the conflict and put an end to all violence. I suggested a new UN resolution saying that this agreement, along with the final release of Palestinian prisoners, would fulfill the requirements of resolutions 242 and 338.
I said these parameters were nonnegotiable and were the best I could do, and I wanted the parties to negotiate a final status agreement within them. After I left, Dennis Ross and other members of our team stayed behind to clarify any misunderstanding, but they refused to hear complaints. I knew the plan was tough for both parties, but it was time – past time – to put up or shut up. The Palestinians would give up the absolute right of return; they had always known they would have to, but they never wanted to admit it. The Israelis would give up East Jerusalem and parts of the Old City, but their religious and cultural sites would be preserved; it had been evident for some time that for peace to come, they would have to do that. The Israelis would also give up a little more of the West Bank and probably a larger land swap than Barak’s last best offer, but they would keep enough to hold at least 80 percent of the settlers. And they would get a formal end to the conflict. It was a hard deal, but if they wanted peace, I thought it was fair to both sides
Arafat immediately began to equivocate, asking for “clarifications.” But the parameters were clear; either he would negotiate within them or not. As always, he was playing for more time. I called Mubarak and read him the points. He said they were historic and he could encourage Arafat to accept them.
On the twenty-seventh, Barak’s cabinet endorsed the parameters with reservations, but all their reservations were within the parameters, and therefore subject to negotiations anyway. It was historic: an Israeli government had said that to get peace, there would be a Palestinian state in roughly 97% of the West Bank, counting the swap, and all of Gaza where Israel also had settlements. The ball was in Arafat’s court.
I was calling other Arab leaders daily to urge them to pressure Arafat to say yes. They were all impressed with Israel’s acceptance and told me they believed Arafat should take the deal. I have no way of knowing what they told him, though the Saudi ambassador, Prince Bandar, later told me he and Crown Price Abdullah had the distinct impression Arafat was going to accept the parameters.
On the twenty-ninth, Dennis Ross met with Abu Ala, whom we all respected, to make sure Arafat understood the consequences of rejection. I would be gone. Ross would be gone. Barak would lose the upcoming election to Sharon. Bush wouldn’t want to jump in after I had invested so much and failed.
I still didn’t believe Arafat would make such a colossal mistake.
If Bill Clinton's memoir is truthful and accurate, then Israel should pull out and the UN should move in and police the Palestinian territories. If the Palestinians don't want a state, just endless bloodshed, then what was once Palestine should become an international protectorate...with no Israeli in sight.
The entire international community ought to require Israel to withdraw to whatever boundaries are now considered legal, and then police the Palestinian areas with UN troops. That's it.
If anyone has a better solution, I'd be glad to hear it.
If Bill Clinton's memoir is truthful and accurate, then Israel should pull out and the UN should move in and police the Palestinian territories. If the Palestinians don't want a state, just endless bloodshed, then what was once Palestine should become an international protectorate...with no Israeli in sight.
The entire international community ought to require Israel to withdraw to whatever boundaries are now considered legal, and then police the Palestinian areas with UN troops. That's it.
If anyone has a better solution, I'd be glad to hear it.
I agree with you on that but the UN soldiers have to be given more power they are not allowed to fire unless someone shoots at them but that's been a disaster people know they are powerless they allowed the Srebrenica massacre to take place during the 90s and during the Rwanada genocide they were powerless to do anything while nearly a million people were butchered. They became targets themselves the UN soldiers US pulled out all of there peacekeepers and refused to help bill Clinton has a lot of blood on his hands he could have stopped that whole thing with just the threat of US intervention instead just pretended it was not happening poor African country no point helping there but when its a country with oil its a different story.
I think you're simplifying the nature of what BDS might be about. Every single time I've watched an interview about that movement, the person speaking was of Jewish descent. Unless they are all "self hating Jews".
I can't speak to them being self hating Jews or not, but I think if your sole argument for BDS not being anti semetic is that they have Jews involved, you ought to go back to the drawing board.
I think history is relevant here. Go look up the term "Kapo".
Leader of each country should act in the best interest of their country, so I take that into consideration when I hear foreign leaders speak.... BUT I feel like laughing when Netanyahu said that he doesn't want to be "lectured by other countries" about this or that.
You don't want to be lectured? Why not turn down the foreign aid you get from U.S.? Cut the umbilical cord already . Israel is a well developed advanced country, what is the justification for so much foreign aid.
All their money go for defense. Their people pay 90 percent income tax.
There would be no Israel if not for the US aid.
There old people would starve if it were not for those 25 dollar food boxes we send them. Remember they have the bomb that they stole from us. Threaten to use it they will get all the money they want. They were smart enough to go into politics here in the US that is how they get our money.
Leader of each country should act in the best interest of their country, so I take that into consideration when I hear foreign leaders speak.... BUT I feel like laughing when Netanyahu said that he doesn't want to be "lectured by other countries" about this or that.
You don't want to be lectured? Why not turn down the foreign aid you get from U.S.? Cut the umbilical cord already . Israel is a well developed advanced country, what is the justification for so much foreign aid.
All their money go for defense. Their people pay 90 percent income tax.
There would be no Israel if not for the US aid.
There old people would starve if it were not for those 25 dollar food boxes we send them. Remember they have the bomb that they stole from us. Threaten to use it they will get all the money they want. They were smart enough to go into politics here in the US that is how they get our money.
Pure drivel. Go brush your tooth and make another baby with your cousin.
and this preventable disease is now spreading. Getting two MMR vaccines gives a person a 99% success rate against this disease but now many residents are at risk because of the stupidity of some of these parents to not have their kids vaccinated. 
Happy Birthday!! 
I live by a Forest area where they are clearing some land to build homes. Yesterday morning I heard what must of been a herd (if that's the proper term for a group) coming from the mountains as I was out for my early morning run. It was very loud. Plus I have a little dog and I'd hate to have them attack her. That would be horrible. 
At least in California. 
