ferguson mo. after the verdict.

whats going to happen in ferguson mo. when the grand jury fails to indict officer Wilson? eric holder is furious

right now because of leaks indicating the grand jury will not indict. he blames the ferguson police dept, for the leaks,

the police dept. in ferguson is gearing up now for trouble.
what do you think will happen there if there is no indictment of officer Wilson.

the guy did nothing wrong, if he is in indicted then its a major fail in our already horrendous "Justice" system. As for Eric Holder, He's a racist piece of shit who should curl up and die somewhere.

I wish i could say that there might be a law abiding peaceful protest, but we all know whats going to happen...

dellacroce......... your view of eric holder, wow

strong stuff!! ifs he not indicted, brother look out in ferguson.

Really? I was HOLDing back

Pun intended

well, dellcroce. holder made a lot of enemies, and he was outspoken on many things. I always make it a point to read your

posts, as you see things pretty clearly. but, I wish you would admit that this ferguson matter is indeed worrisome.

do u think the citizens of ferguson are taking time outta their loves to protest for no goddamn reason? that pussy cop shot buddy way too many times, and infront of way too many people

yes i agree its very worrisome how large sections of our Country(Ferguson just being magnified here) are morally, socially, and racially deteriorating. very worrisome indeed.

cook, you can see the trouble brewing. and im afraid its
its going to spread farther than ferguson, mo. do you remember that cop that unloaded on that kid in Carolina.

put that together with no indictment in ferguson,mo. and the
situation becomes explosive. and I fear there will be no indictment. therein lies the problem. I don't see an easy answer to this, to let the cop off is ignoring something

that can be extremely dangerous.

no I'm sure they're doing it for a reason, but i just don't think they quite know what it is . try to grab any "pussy" cop's gun and he's gonna shoot you down in the street like the dog that you are, and is gonna be completely justified in doing so.

Time out of their lives? What else do they have to do? None of them work.


So the autopsy proving that this mutt went for the cop's gun means nothing to you. There's a shocker.

pizzaboy, there is not going to be an indictment of the cop. there has been leaks from the grand jury, that the kid went for the cops gun, and he shot brown in the hand

now, holder is incensed that the police have leaked portions of the grand jury, another revelation that was leaked is the fact, that brown never had his hands raised. holder is trying to keep a lid on this thing. and so far he can't.

In this day and age, if this cop really did something wrong, I just can't see him getting a pass or his superiors ignoring it. If he hasn't been indicted by now, with all the "evidence" that's out there, he's not gonna be indicted. Are people seriously still protesting out there? I really don't follow the news but didn't this incident happen a while ago? Yeah it sucks someone died but get on with your fucking lives.

I apologize if that was too harsh.

I didn't wanna say shit but wtf, the police are way too excessive in todays age and are given to much power, states attorneys are willing to pick up anything cause of the money involved to me its become a racket but whatever. I agree with cook I hope he gets what he deserves, fucking all this info comes out just to be discredited and month later wtf is that. I not looking to argue with anyone so... just saying.

@dellacroce

that sign you posted says it all

u think it's funny that "people" have to protest getting murdered by cops


@pizzaboy

buddy got shot on the underside of his arms and upper body

that could only happen if he was standing with his arms in the air

let's not forget the two kill shots through the head


@binniecole

the citizens of ferguson have already shown that they're capable of uproar

there ain't no telling what'll happen if he doesn't get indicted

You know what, Cook? I'm going to surprise you here and tell you that that's a fair enough assessment by you.

But then you go and post this:


Which to me, sounds just like a spoiled child making threats against his parents.

And in all fairness to you, I know you're not alone in your views. That's the pack rat mentality that has developed in Missouri since this whole mess started. But that doesn't make it right.

Because what's next? What if they do indict the guy? The next thing to come out of your mouth will be: There ain't no telling what'll happen if he doesn't get convicted. And then sentenced. And then financial reparations. And on and on and on.

These are basically terrorist threats. And the United States of America doesn't negotiate with terrorists. They have to be nipped in the bud right now.

pb, take it easy, I posted something to you I hope you read it. it doesn't look like Wilson is going to get indicted judging

from the leaks from the grand jury. now im against rioting and violent behavior, and I surely hope there is none. however things could get out of hand.

and the reason I posted this is because it's possible that trouble could extend beyond ferguson. only saying it's possible.
its a power keg. how do you keep order once the verdict is in?

Jesus you are a moron. Unless the bullet was magical it is literally impossible for his hands to have been up.

Then again, I am sure you, as a dropout unemployed moron, know more than the fucking coroner.

Don't you think if there was a SINGLE piece of substantive evidence that Eric Holder, Jay "indict him" Nixon and his social justice crew would have released it?

Keep believing in fairytales. Because the gentle giant of gentleness is just that a fucking fairy tale. You want to know why the police are militarized? Because animals like Brown are running around beating up clerks and attempting to kill cops.

@pizzaboy


those pack rats in the projects were outside watching while mr. holder fired shots

ain't no telling what they saw


@nickyeyes


were you outside when eric holder fired his weapon in broad daylight?

unless u were then u don't know what happened

the only way u can get shot on the underside of your arms is if they're in the air

or if a magical bullet wrapped around his chubby arms and played a joke

CC : It has come to out attention that Nickeyes was the shooter he's currently at the Cook County Correctional Facility being held w.o bail.

the fed have come out and said they have no evidence that the cop violated browns civil rights, and, it doesn't look like the feds are going to indict either,

so it looks like there is clear evidence from the grand jury that brown was at fault going for the cops gun.

It won't matter to cook, he'll continue to believe whitey shot up "poor innocent Brown" for no reason.

From what I've heard or read the info coming back seems to support the police officer (who received severe injuries to his face and head) and suggests the guy's buddy who gave the account about the cop shooting him without any justification is lying. Not surprising considering both of them had just been involved in a strong-armed robbery of a store not long before this all went down.

Not that any of this will matter to cookcounty or any of the other protesters. They're not concerned about what actually happened. Just what they want to have happened.

There's no point in giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. He was obviously a thug and society is better off without people like that.

In any case, the District Attorney's office should assiduously pursue prosecution of those responsible for revealing grand jury testimony. Such testimony is secret in order to preclude an injury to the justice system since much of such testimony is simply exploratory and hearsay.

oli, eric holder claims the ferguson police dept, leaked the information from the grand jury, hes outraged because hes' accusing the d.a. mc'cullogh of giving the cops the grand jury testimony, and the cops gave it to the press.

I don't know what you're so concerned about.

If it's pretty clear, which I think it is, that this big mook went for the cops gun and severely injured him in the process there shouldn't even BE a grand jury investigating him for Civil Rights violations.

The black community is still trying to paint kids such as Brown as fuckin angels who were upstanding members of society. If the cops were shooting black professionals, lawyers, doctors, and businessmen it would be one thing. But these are damn juvenile delinquents who, in this case, thought it was a good idea for some reason to strong arm a convenient store and then go messing with the police.

Oh and the reason you don't see real professionals who are black getting shot or arrested by the police, is because they want nothing to do with the numbskulls who claim that unless you're a thug or an idiot you're not 'black' enough.

Christ society is fucked up sometimes

Right, as opposed, to your liberal buddies that jumped to a preconceived ideological conclusion we need to hang a police officer and stoked up a firestorm over the last two months based on speculation and storytelling so crazy that couldn't even meet the lowly standard of "exploratory and hearsay". Over and over again- the same bizarre set of lies- hands up, gentle, little teenager, surrendering. Not a single one of these narratives have held up under even the most basic factual investigation.

God forbid the truth now finally gets out there. Spin this however you want. If there was a single, tiny piece of evidence, racist Holder and his social justice crusader DOJ crew would have charged. There isn't, which is why this entire narrative is collapsing.

People are leaking because they are sick of this bullshit- the Governor of a state demanding someone be indicted for political expediency, a democrat party using this case to send out mailers that unless they are elected for another term the KKK is coming back, a justice department that essentially came with the express purpose of finding something to stick, a president going out there prejudging the situation. But of course, none of these are the least bit troubling or major obstacles to due process. The truth in the form of leaks are the major issue. Not the mob and its political instruments that have run a several month long campaign of intimidation.

little nicky. good post, however why didn't the police come right out with the evidence,

that brown was trying to take the gun away from Wilson.
it may have altered many of the peoples thinking. why didn't Wilson come out and explain that he acted in self-defense.

we know now what exactly happened, but many not before the grand jury leak.

Right on point with every sentence.

This kid Little Nicky might be the brightest, most objective poster here. But sadly, he's wasting his breath.

Like another poster said, people's minds were made up about this BEFORE any evidence was presented. And they ain't changing their minds. Besides, they're having too much fun looting and rioting.

Just a note: the initial New York Times article on Offier Wilson's testimony said that the material came from government officials who weren't subjects of the civil rights investigation. To me, that means local officials were not their source, and possibly means state officials were not, either.

You are right on that Pete. Some material is clearly local, but the big national stories about wilson running in NY Times and Washington Post- both papers have admitted their information came from Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html?_r=0

You mean to tell me that the Uber-Conservative New York Times has the ear of someone in Obama's White House?

I'm shocked. Shocked .

well, whatever, holder looks like an ass. went to ferguson, promised justice. got everybody stirred up.

he goes out as A.G. looking like a fool. blaming the police dept. when the grand jury information came from the G.

He came INTO the A.G.'s office looking like a fool, and would not have survived so many scandals if not for the color of his skin and bend over backwards liberalism.

No one has mentioned that the very reverend Al Sharpton came to town and got everyone even more worked up and fanned the flames with his racist remarks. It's a shame that these communities can't look at these things more objectively. They are hurting themselves. What was Wilson supposed to do while this thug was beating the shit out of him while going for his firearm. Lets just imagine he did get the gun. What do you think he would have done with it?????? Wilson rightfully feared for his life and accordingly was justified in using deadly force

bigboy-- yes, according to the leaks from the grand jury, that's exactly what happened, and even the justice dept, will not seek charges against the cop. of course Sharpton is nothing but an opportunist, besides being a shameless liar. he's been exposed.

He was exposed in 1987 after the Tawana Brawley incident (which he never even acknowledged, let alone apologized for), and he's been further exposed a dozen times since then. But his target audience doesn't care. He targets the small portion of the Black community who don't really want to get ahead. They want to cry about the past and continue to get free stuff in the future. It's very telling that we have a Black President, yet these people continue to latch on to the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

Newsflash: You can be whatever you want today. Look no further than 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue where one of your own currently holds the most important office in the world. But keep looking to the Rev. That's where the smart money is .

And the really sad thing is that Sharpton has the ear of the current mayor (who wouldn't have won if he didn't pimp out his bi-racial kids in those shameless commercials).

"involved in a strong-armed robbery of a store not long before this all went down"

That was something else I wanted to acknowledged, Why haven't they arrested him for that crime yet?

that piece of shit was even the "guest of honor" at sharpton's birthday party not to long ago unbelievable

"But his target audience doesn't care. He targets the small portion of the Black community who don't really want to get ahead. They want to cry about the past and continue to get free stuff in the future"


+10
Finally someone pointing out a SPECIFIC point and not throwing ALL the black community in the same barrel.

Thanks, BF. I appreciate that. And I try. I really do try. I think it's just that Cook and I have a pretty volatile history here and things get out of control sometimes.

There are stereotypes in all walks of life. And unfortunately, most of them are steeped in the reality of a small percentage of buffoons (whether it's the Italian Mafioso, or the Irish drunk, or the Black Gangbanger, or the cheap Jew). These stereotypes do exist, but it's a small percentage so we shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush.

Just going to throw this out there de Blasio's wife is ugly as hell. If you're going to marry a woman of any color at least make sure she's somewhat attractive. But her? She fell out of the ugly tree and got beat by one of its branches

@blackfamily


donn't listen to that bullshit because "he has black friends"

u know what that line means


@pizzboy

god don't like ugly, and you'll be judged by him so i advise u to live to you're 150

^^^What does that even mean? You're words are full of ignorance. Did you drop out of school in fifth grade because getting good grades wasn't 'cool' enough?

I thought this was proven false, didn't the store owner say he hadn't been robbed and never called it into the police?

Then you really ought to tell your mother to ditch the weave and the gold tooth.


Thanks, Rockstar Man. But you're giving him way too much credit. Fifth grade is a PhD. in his family.

C'mon, you two, just stop this stuff already. pb and cook, it's obvious you guys won't be exchanging Christmas cards but it's time to put a halt to this war. While you're both guilty of taking each other's bait I have to ask cook, in particular, to chill here. This had been "dead" for awhile until you dug it up now. Let it die.

I don't know that he said a robbery didn't happen - his statement through his lawyer was just that he didn't call the police, but that a customer had done it:

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/201...brown/14138121/

In thinking about this case, one of the things that I've wondered about is if this store wasn't paying protection money to someone in the area. If so, between the robbery and the shooting Brown's friend Dorian may have let Brown know that he was in for an a** kicking, which may help explain his being in an agitated state.

Of course M, in lieu of a theft/robbery, one wonders why on the video Brown was confronted by what appears to be the store clerk and why Brown assaulted him.

I think it's indisputable there was a robbery and Brown committed it. The details surrounding the shooting are murky with each side giving their points of view.

The way I see it, this dude wasn't a kid, he was a fully grown six five 250 pound man, he was high, and it's shown on video Brown was aggressive and unrepentant. Clearly he was a bully and if he had the presence of mind to rob a store, what's to stop him from assaulting a police officer?

Darren Wilson and his trusty, police issued sidearm .

Idk I just have a gut feeling they won't bring charges against Darren Wilson. The evidence just doesn't point to any sort of Civil Rights violation

The man did NOTHING WRONG. The evidence PROVES that he did nothing wrong. An animal attacked him, and he put him down. If a rabid dog or an unruly zoo animal attacked a police officer, and the cop shot it dead in the street, we wouldn't even be having this debate.

Generally speaking, I don't even like most cops. And it's not because I don't believe that the world needs policing. We most certainly do. We need law and order to survive as a species. It's just that most guys drawn to that job have issues that I don't care for. That said, it's an impossible and thankless job. And Darren Wilson did his job bravely. And what does he get for it? A liberal biased media that vilifies him, and the contempt of every Black thug in this country (and that includes that race baiting scumbag Eric Holder).

It's enough already with this crap. This country is so over the top politically correct, that they'd rather shanghai a truly innocent man than offend a bunch of criminal minded thugs. Just because said thugs happen to be Black.

^Completely agree. I'm just bracing for the violence that will rekindle once the grand jury absolves him of all wrongdoing

What is it now if we find someone innocent then we have to worry about a race war?

Is that why Obama got elected for his second term? He did not do anything that should have gotten him a second term.

Cops they were never my friends. Where I lived we were constantly harassed by cops. Everyone makes a big deal about stop and frisk. We were always stopped and freaked and we were not black.

So much so we hid our weapons when on the street. Building had pipes for water and oil, sewers things like that. That's is where we hid our weapons so you did not have them on you. But you can get them fast. I even hid money in places like that.

You guys probably never even heard of people doing stuff like that. Well we did stuff like that.

Well when the cops stopped us for the first time Thry wanted to know our names. So we tell them the truth. When it got to me they would rough me up because they thought I was lying. Because my real name is not Italian. I was with Italians so my name does sound like a fake name. Daddio was an Hungarian Jew who Americanized his name. My mother was Italian.

Then my so called friends would laugh when they roughed me up. Then they say tell them your real name:)

well, the governor of Missouri is sending the national guard troops to ferguson, mo. expecting trouble after the verdict.

verdict should be in by the end of this week, maybe sooner. it's going to exonerate the cop. what's going to happen?
could be trouble, but, it won't be like last time with the guard there.

a short protest is what I see, then it will die out.

It should be fun if you think rioting, shootings, destruction of property and taking lives is fun. I presume they will be invaded by anarkists. Msnbc will say they were just using their protected right to protest

Al Sharpton will be there with his boys. I hope he eats a bullet but he will be well protected I am sure. "no justice no peace"

sharpton wont be there, if he is somebody might pop him. the national guard won't fool around. any trouble and, they will shoot.

obama got elected because "conservatives" voted for bush because they hate obama types

bush ruined the country so bad that they elected a black man as president

bush lied about a war, got caught, and people still voted for him

"obama got elected because "conservatives" voted for bush because they hate obama types"

I did not know Bush ran against Obama?

I thought Obama ran against McCain. Obama type what type is that someone who had just a tiny bit more experience running something then you. You actually might have had more experience running something then him.

I voted for McCain because I thought he had balls a kind of a hero what ever they are, but I thought he was a dummy because he had a chance to leave that hell hole in Vietnam that prison, and he did not.

"bush ruined the country so bad that they elected a black man as president"

By you saying that you are a real racist. You should have said so they elected a democrat for President not a BLACk man for president.

"bush lied about a war, got caught, and people still voted for him"

Lied about the war. You don't have to believe this there were at least some weapons of mass destruction in Iraq they used them on the Kurds. Why didn't they find them? when the Russians left Iraq they tooK most of them with them. How do I know? Some Russians who were in a position to know here in Brooklyn told me. Why would they lie?

On lies did the shit heads that attacked us train in Afganistan? If they did why shouldn't we attack them.

Might of attacked Saudi's as well. They did the job on us.

This is what bush should have done. Got sadam killed his kids, and at least 100 thousand Iraq's. Then get the fuck out but tell them no terror attacks against us or we will be back.

Then let Iran and Iraq kill each other and not try to kill us.

Same thing in Afganistan where leaving now. It's ok to kill your own people! Abuse your own women, but don't let it be a training ground to hurt us.

Just like Reagan did with Gaddafi. Worked like a charm .

Did Reagan get Gaddafi?

Bush didn't run against Obama. But there's no denying that people bought into the "hope and change" hoax.


Half Black, Cook. Half Black. You're never getting President Rufus. Ever. And Obama has been such an unmitigated disaster that you're not likely to see another Black man in that role for a long time to come.


Bush was a lousy President but a decent man. And a hundred years from now, after millions more are slaughtered in the name of the pseudo-deity Allah, history will likely exonerate Bush for seeing the inherent evil in the Middle Eastern born Muslims. Any American with half a brain would rather die next to the Jews than bow down to those animals.

You don't remember this, Foots?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_United_States_bombing_of_Libya

would a decent man fabricate a reason to start a fucking war and kill innocents?

that's your idea of a good american?

get a bunch of young americans killed/maimed/traumatized and blow up a country

national guard in ferguson, verdict could come soon. chief of police of ferguson says if Wilson exonerated he will come back on active duty.

that might be a bad idea. just saying.

If he has the guts to do it, then good for him. Why should he be driven from his home and livelihood by these cretins? That said, it's easier said than done. When the attorney general himself puts a bulls eye on your back, your life is not going to be easy.

As far as the National Guard, they should just close Ferguson off at its borders and let them all kill each other. Seriously.

well, with the guard there all those tough troublemakers in ferguson, won't be as brave as they were at first.
the guard will shoot.

Hope is a good thing.

When the pimp Sharpton met with Obama in the WH on Nov. 5, he encouraged Sharpton to keep the protests going....would be comical if not so serious...2 yrs, 6 weeks and counting.

Say what you want about Bush, but I'd take him over the assclown we have now. Seriously I don't think we've had a worse President since James Buchanan let the South secede from the Union

so you're okay with the president lying to the country to start a war

bush's monthly spending on a fabricated war left the economy in shambles

Arguing economics with you would be tantamount to running a 10k race against a palsy, so I'll keep it simple. The reason the country is in an economic shambles is because of the banks giving credit to low income people who just had to drive a new Cadillac, when they didn't didn't have the economic stability to pay for a junked Pinto. Sound familiar?

When you couple that with the government handouts, which in an incredible coincidence are given to the same hood rat lowlifes (sound familiar?), it was going to happen no matter who was in office.

And I don't know how many times I have to say that Bush was a lousy President for you to get it. I can admit that he didn't belong in the White House, yet you can't admit that the current bum sitting in that office was no more qualified than any other Leftist community organizer who hates this country. It's called acceptance of responsibility. People like you just aren't capable of it. It's the reason that you'll die as poverty ridden as you were the day you were born.

See how nice I was? You're not going to bait me anymore. I'm just going to continue to pick you apart with more facts and less anger. So when you post nonsense, I'm just going to quote a great American.

Gun sales are way up in Missouri ahead of the coming verdict.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/11/19/gu...?ncid=webmail17

What left the country in a shambles was giving low interest home loans to people who did not make enough money to pay the loan back because the government backed the loan.

On Ferguson what happened is the cop going to trial or no?

Same principle. I used auto loans as the example, but these fraudulent mortgage companies were just as much to blame.

How about the government who pushed these bull shit laws that made it easy for people who could not afford a home to get a home for at least a while.

Has that been fixed? Or are they still encourage people to keep on doing the same thing?

yup. the violence that happened last time, is not going to happen again. those violent protesters would be crazy to start something now, its a different ball game now, people will not put up with it again. and neither will the guard.

I agree, Binnie. But when these people exercise their constitutional right to arm and defend themselves, the liberal media will spin it and blame them instead of the thugs who started this. Guaranteed.

they better not, people are sick of that media. those liberals have to understand there is such a thing as private property, [small business] and a store owner has the right to defend his business. the store owner who was shoved aside by that thug, should have the right to hold him at gunpoint until the police arrive to arrest him for robbery.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/19/justice/ferguson-grand-jury-ruling/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

By the way, Missouri citizens are provided a statute that defines the circumstances under which a citizen may effect an arrest.

do you know how FEW "hoodrat lowlives" are on public aide?

do you know how MANY "good americans" are on public aide?

bush's wars was the straw that broke the camel's back

What in the hell are you talking about? You have done nothing to counteract his points in any way, shape or form. In a debate you come back with facts or a well backed opinion, not that sort of garble.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-wp-blm-news-bc-downpayment14-20141114-story.html

Please. Using that logic, I could say that the camel wouldn't have even been limping if not for Clinton. And Clinton could blame Bush Sr., and Bush Sr. could blame Reagan, and Reagan could blame Carter, and on and on and on.

It comes back (again) to acceptance of responsibility, which you're incapable of expressing. Obama gets a pass for his first term. But today? He owns these wars, he owns this economy, and he owns the border mess. Just like a White president in his second term would own them.

Posterity will not be kind to Barack Obama, nor should it. And it's not because of the color of his skin, it's because he's a lousy President.

and, he's only going to get worse. his immigration policy is just one spiteful action. there may be more to come. just out of spite. pb said it first and he was right.

@pizzaboy

bottomline u don't like obama because he's black

it's obvious that u don't like black people

He is a lousy president, he also shouldnt be getting involved with the mess in ferguson MO by implying the rioting was justified. The guy just committed a strong robbery. Its not like he was an alter boy doming home from Sunday mass. The shop keeper should of shot the punk between the eyes and called it a day.
If the cop doesnt get indicted, most will riot just to get free merchandise from hard working american business owners by looting. Its a shame really.
PB, i was an investor in a former life and agree with you about the banks giving credit to anyone with a pulse. Remember Sharpton and Rengel pushing for lower loan standards for minorities?
The mortgage industry was largely unregulated and anyone could get a no doc mortgage. Just as bad, you could buy a home with 5% down and 6 months later have it assessed for 100k for than you paid and then you can get a home equity to purchase another home. A viscous circle. Everyone thought they were real estate investors just like everyone was a stock picker in 1999-2000. Same exact thing.
Now we have a " low interest rate bubble" fueled by the fed artificially suppressing rates. Gee, i wonder whats going to eventually happen!

Now that was a well thought out and educated rebuttal. Now what am I gonna do?

Serenity Now!

What else did you expect out of that moron? A well documented reply?

I don't like Obama because he does not give a shit about the United States. He obviously hates this country. His wife is the same way. His kids are probably brain washed as well.

I would piss on all of their graves.

That is not because they are black. Color never meant anything to me.

But a guy who says you don't like Obama because he is black is obviously a racist. I have no doubt about that fact.

Yeah, Rangel. What a joke. He's a perfect example of people voting for a guy because they'd rather be fleeced by one of their own. But that's not a racist vote, is it?

This is a classic Rangel video. I love the reaction of the host........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt6H4-GDqjQ

Rangel is a crook. The guy in his spot before him was an even bigger crook Adam Clayton Powell.

My Old Man told me that Powell was dumb enough to try and shake down the Giglio one year. This is when Buckaloo was still around. Long story short, he never tried that again .

Play the race card, how original

So glad that i wasn't aware of that moron before i saw this, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were already too much for me . That video is unbelievable, i couldn't care less about the term "cracker", but whatever way you look at it it's supposed to be a derogatary term for white. I wonder what the reaction to a white Rep, using a similar word for a black guy would've got . Fact is the guy would have to resign more than likely, and no way he'd be allowed to repeat the word on TV, the Host would also be fired for laughing. And we would have to deal with cookcountys bullshit no doubt.

The epithets that some black people level at white people seem almost comical: cracker, whitey, fey, honky just don't rile me. However, I do like white devil.

Check this shit out Blassio went to Brooklyn. He ade believe he lifted

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHk4jxZAQc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

black people can't vote for black people

but white people can vote for bush AFTER BEING CAUGHT LYING about a war

where's your human logic?

What lie did he tell?

Logic is something that is clearly lost on you.

Please tell us what lie Bush told? Did he make a mistake in going to Iraq? Yes he did, but he did not purposefully lie to start a war in the Middle East.

You're mistake is thinking that your leaders i.e. Sharpton and Jackson actually give a damn about someone like you. They don't. Your representatives suck and scam their own people. Your tax dollars at work. Then again I'd be surprised if you've paid a cent to the government in your entire life.

Your other mistake is like many of your contemporaries, you attribute every single fucking issue to race. Ever stop and think not everything in this world is about race?

Barack Obama does not care about white people.

More than that he doesn't care about anyone except himself

How many frigging times do I have to post that I thought Bush was in over his head as President? You're just looking for an argument. You're begging for me to call you a certain name and it's not going to happen.

But you know what else? Forget politics. As a human being, Rangel couldn't scrape a pimple off Bush's ass. He's human garbage. Fact. The Black people who voted him in, term after term, even after all of the corruption charges, deserve exactly what they get. They deserve their poverty, and so do you. I got mine, Cook. Be a man and go get yours.

Serenity Now!

I despise Obama but it has nothing to do with the fact that he's half black. It is because I believe he really hates whites and only gets along with them as far as he has to. I don't think he has any respect for this great countries history and heritage and is determined to turn us into a third world country. Another thing- Libs keep ignoring the definitive proof that Hussein did have weapons of mass destruction, which once again was recently documented.

I don't know why some Board members post as they do without citation of sources. There are so many opportunities for Board members to conduct research before they post. I guess their posting as they do assuages their emotions. Nevertheless, here's a quote from one of those well known "Libs" by the name and title of President George Bush, April 21, 2006:

"Now, look, part of the reason we went into Iraq was—the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction." (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=614)

it was mainly because of Obama that the democrats went down, I find him disgusting in the fact he doesn't care about the people that put him in office. and he more than any issue, is the reason the democratic party is crippled.

Makes this book, which was published six months after Obama's first election, all the funnier. I remember seeing it in Barnes and Noble and at the time I just shook my head at the arrogance of the title (and keep in mind this is when I was still in Obama's corner).

ok. pb, im going to see if I can find that book. somebody got it dead wrong.

what does any of that have to do with ferguson, obama, or bush?

obama got to be president because people like u voted for bush blindly

that ain't obama's fault or my fault or black peoples fault

According to Obama everything is Bush's fault

It's germane to Ferguson because the Black victim mentality is rampant there.


Obama got to be President for the same reason Bush got to be President. Because the guy who preceded him was a two term President and people were ready for a party change.


What isn't Black people's fault? That there's a small segment of the Black population that's dumb enough to burn down their own neighborhoods when they don't get their way? Those animals in Ferguson are having the time of their lives looting and stealing. It was never about justice for that lowlife Michael Brown. It was about getting free shit.

@pizzaboy


bush got to be president because his brother stole the election in florida

he didn't even win the first time, started a war, and got re-elected

so michael brown is a lowlife, but cosa nostra members are upstanding citizens?

If that's true, it was only close enough to steal because people were tired of the Democrats. Just like people were tired of the Republicans in 2008. Elections are cyclical. Google that and you'll see what I mean. But I can't promise that there will be any pictures.


Bush was in office eight months when the Twin Towers were hit. They started planning it on Clinton's watch. Maybe even Bush Sr.'s. They started it. And don't tell me that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. If they worship Ali Baba the God of Hate, they're guilty by extension. History will prove that to be true. Guaranteed.


Please. Now you're grasping. I warn these silly kids all day long that wiseguys aren't what they think. You play you pay. I don't lose a minute's sleep when murderers get sent up for life.

And having said that, Michael Brown WAS a lowlife. Not anymore, though. Because he's fucking dead. And he has no one to blame but himself.

Although I wouldn't quite express it that way, I agree in principle.

Not to be contrary....but please see Iraqi Generals Georges Sada and General Moshe Yaalon's description of what happened to the weapons of mass destruction that Sadam most certainly had...as confirmed by our CIA, the British MI6, the Isaraelis, and as confirmed by every politician in this country...both Republicans and Democrats including both Clintons..and as especially confirmed by all the Kurds that were mustard gassed by that animal.

This is true. I was talking to some black people at my work just earlier this week who were talking about people going around and stealing. One told me that he saw one guy in front of an electronics store window writing stuff down and looking like he was comparison shopping. When he got closer he said he heard that guy talking to the person he was with and found out that the guy was actually making an "inventory" list about what stuff he was going to take if the rioting started again. I also know an arab woman who is friends with the owners of a store in Ferguson where looters were able to get a safe out of concrete in the ground to steal it. I doubt the thieves were just protestors run amok.

You wouldn't believe the number of people around here who are arming up to prepare for the next riots. Some people are expecting people to go around the entire St. Louis area to loot and cause problems so that they can stay ahead of the cops. They keep having repeated new stories and press conferences trying to tell people to keep calm when the verdict comes out, but I have a bad feeling that the next few months are going to be pretty hairy.

^^^^

regardless if your story is true

looting ain't what yall need to be concerned with in stl

yall need to hope that the police and lynch mobs don't think it's 1920

it's a new culture of criminals that get high off illicit drugs before they do dirt

Another empty threat because you cant't ever win an argument based on merit. Wah wah wah, we're crazy from drugs and we're gonna kick some ass if we don't get our way.

When I was a kid and didn't get my way, my father's favorite expression was "stop before I give you something to cry about." My brother and I learned fast that men didn't cry or pout. I'm grateful to both my parents for these lessons til this very day. (Sorry, Cook. You'll have to Google parenthood, too. That ghetto trash Baby Daddy/Baby Mama stuff doesn't apply to people who actually care about their children).

Anyway, Cook. High on drugs or not, these thugs are no match for the National Guard or any other government trained operative. They should give these mutts "something to cry about," and put them down in the street like the dogs that they are. And do you know what will happen? The survivors will learn fast that these tantrums won't be tolerated.

But I'm not holding my breath, not while the Holder-Obama-Sharpton-Jackson-dog and pony show is still iis still calling the shots. But 2016 is coming, Cook. Tick tock, my brutha. Tick tock.

Cook: The problem is this: you all stand out in the suburbs. we see you coming its shoot at will brutha. keep in your neighbrhood, that shit doesn't fly elsewhere.

Now I am gonna go smoke a cigar which i purchased without an EBT card. You go cop some more black in milds with that ebt card, and call your dealer with that obama phone.

Hey Ferguson,
The entire country is sick of your shit. Sick of the lawlessness, sick of the riots, sick of the threats and demands.The only thing you have managed to accomplisd in all of this is to live up to the ghetto stereotypes. Congratulations.

If Obama phones stopped paying for internet (and thus precluded access to twitter) what would happen?

The Grand Jury's indictment or no bill announcement is expected after 4PM EST.

oli, they will clear him of everything, and Wilson will walk.
strong odds they wont indict. your view?

Verdict will be announced tonight at 9pm(ET). The Brown family says theyre praying for an indictment

After three months of mulling over the facts the grand jury's decision could be anything from 1st degree murder to involuntary manslaughter or no indictment all together. Nothing would surprise me, but me and my family are hoping for no indictment, and if that causes some riots where the police are forced to shoot down some other animals in the street, all the better.

We're right next to you, kid. If there's no indictment we'll pop a bottle of champagne. If they do indict him, we'll send a check to his legal fund. If they try to shanghai him, a competent lawyer will walk him right out of court.

All they're praying for is a civil settlement. If they actually cared about that mutt they would have taught him right from wrong.

My names roofus and dats da troofus.

dellacroce, I do know one thing. if al Sharpton comes to ferguson to stir things up, he better watch himself. people are sick of him.

Im a little conflicted about that. On one hand there isnt a bigger asshole more worthy of catching a bullet, on the other i dont think i would be able to stomach the god-like worship he would receive as a maurder.

Yup, they'd martyr him for sure. And that asshole de Blasio would be the first in line.

Seriously. Why do the parents of these thugs say that if it weren't for this 'evil cop' their kid would be off at college, volunteering at animal shelters and going to law school? Come on, Michael Brown was just another casualty of a broken culture that focuses on victimization and free shit, it was only a matter of time. If Wilson hadn't shot him 2-3 years down the road he'd be in jail

Or shot to death by another Black gangbanger. And oddly enough, there'd be no uproar.

If vultures like Jackson and Sharpton actually cared about their constituency (and I hate to call it that, but for lack of a better expression . . .), they'd protest every time a Crip killed a Blood. But there's no money in that .

They are the ultimate extortionists...they may be able to give the West side guys a few lessons.

Right on the money. Jackson and Sharpton do what they do because if they didn't they'd actually have to work for a living

well, we all know if you have a reverend in front of your name, you can get away with a lot in this country. Jackson, or Sharpton are no more reverends than the thugs in the street.

^^^^

some of yall sound like members of the klux klan

god don't like ugly

no, cook, im not kkk, I hate no one, and I don't hate black people.

but, im old enough to know what Jackson, and Sharpton are.
instead of reverend in front of their names, it should read
"rent a riot" Jackson, and "cause a riot" Sharpton.

they are both shameless!

And you sound like ghetto trash. Takes one to know one

Don't give him what he wants. I made that mistake here for years. If you continue to pick him apart with facts and logic, he doesn't know how to respond.

ok, pb. thank you again.

I liked Sharpton more when was a fat, sweat suit wearing slime. Now he just looks like a skinny alien with that big empty squash that he carries on his little shoulders.

No true bill(that means no indictment cook)

Beautiful

Good for that grand jury. They looked at THE FACTS of the case and didn't bend to the will of the ghetto mob.

Thank God. Lol I'd love to seem them try and riot now

He wasn't charged because he didn't do anything wrong. The grand jury saw that, and thank goodness they did.

Even XDCX sees it for what it is. And he's a California liberal .

You know I'm just kidding, pal .

Is he going too return to work you guys think?

it was no surprise, you go for a cops gun, what do you expect!!

And the gunshots and vandalism starts. What's the possibility of federal charges against Officer Wilson? No doubt there will be a civil suit for $$$$.

I gots to get mine!

Santas little elves will be making a list and checking it twice, just before they go looting for the Xmas in Ferguson.

They should put up an electric fence and leave the good citizens of Ferguson to their own devices. Let them kill each other. It's no great loss to humanity.

Amen. What a bunch of animals ! Let em kill each other,

I had not heard before: Officer Wilson was where he was because he had just answered a call about a baby who had stopped breathing.

I'm glad the suspense is over but not that surprised at the decision.

I was surprised the grand jury got to see all the evidence in the case.

That never ever happens. They normally get only some of the evidence that favors the prosecutions case. If that is all they see it should have warranted a trial.

It does not mean he was guilty or even close to guility. I know there are at least two lawyers on this site. I wonder what they think about this?

Oh get this the blacks caucus thinks its is a disgrace. I think the black caucus is a disgrace. Why because they wont take a black congressman on their caucus if that black congressmen is a republican that's why. There a fucking joke.

This is the Missouri law about a police officer's use of deadly force:

563.046. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force:

"...(2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested

(a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or

(b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or

(c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay."

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/11/24/why-...force-doctrine/

In light of this law, the fact that Officer Wilson did know about the convenience store robbery, and the physical evidence there was no credible evidence remaining that Officer Wilson had broken the law. It was the prosecutor's discretion to give the remaining evidence (all the evidence) to the Grand Jury.

For that grand jury to decide NOT to indict despite being under enormous pressure to do so and despite the fact some on that jury were black clearly proves the evidence supporting the officers use of deadly force was OVERWHELMING.
The officer was clearly punched and beaten by that thug and thats something the public never knew. That animal just committed a robbery and was another out of control black male born out of wedlock. Gotta wonder if that thug has any kids running around. I hate to sound crass but its reality.
99.9% of all those so called protestors can give 2 shits about that thug, they were foaming at the mouth at the prospect of an excuse to start looting. Did you see the smiles on their faces??? It was priceless. Yeah, go ahead and ruin your own neighborhoods some more and then expect the government to come in and fix your own mess.

It's really sad that this cop has to live with the fact that he killed someone. Justified or not, there is really no telling what that does to a person's emotional state.

Everyone worries about the african american community; how it will react. But, not much is written or spoken about how the other individual may be affected. He was considering resigning. Why? because he did, what he thought was his job? Protect and Serve.

Make this about black/white, thin blue line, whatever. But, I don't think the cop went out people hunting that day.

He should have gotten the No Bill as he acted within the law. Brown was the aggressor and criminal but the black community refuses to see this. Many of them are just waiting for an excuse to riot and loot. As was show live on Fox news the looters were smiling and laughing as they robber the liquor store- they were not mourning for Michael Brown. What confuses me is that now that this phase is over what can/ will the Federal Grand Jury do ?? I would expect that Mr Holder would stack the deck. I also know this isn't the last time this happens. Lastly I am bothered that much of the news media was completely on the side of Brown- They are well educated enough to read the facts

They can do whatever they want. But I think what happened with the grand jury shows that people are tired of this bullshit. They'll never win, no matter the venue. If they try to bring something Federally it's just sour grapes.


You're surprised that the media has a liberal bias? I'm just surprised that CNN hasn't petitioned to close schools on Michael Brown's birthday.

There was looting and rioting in downtown Los Angeles, as well. A whole crowd of protesters stormed the 110 freeway and blocked traffic for hours. Some of them were even lying down in the middle of the street.

That's L.A. for ya. They love a good race riot.

look at the responses in this thread

ain't much changed plus ferguson's county (jurors) has a hisotry of racism

What responses? That people have had it with Black cretins getting their way out of political correctness? That a Black attorney general fanned the flames of this fire from day one? That he wouldn't have even survived the many scandals of his run as attorney general if he wasn't blacker than Shinola?


If you'd be so kind, Mista Calhoun, can you provide a link to back up those claims of racism?

You know, there are quite a few White liberals on this website. Hell, I'm pretty liberal on some social issues myself. They're normally pretty vocal about race and such. But their silence speaks volumes here. Good for them.

It's 1:25 pm, and Michael Brown is still rotting in his grave. I'm Pizzaboy and I approve of this shooting.

What bothers me most about this situation is how there's an absolute firestorm on social media all in defense and in complete tears about the decision. Especially from my generation which uses it the most.

Social media isn't the great boon to mankind people are envisioning it to be, and while it has its uses, its become another tool for idiots to express opinions on things they don't know shit about. Case and point being the Ferguson fiasco. Whining and talking "no justice" "blacklivesmatter" "white privilege" when most didn't even bother looking at the evidence surrounding the case.

In addition to all of this, while the Brown family had the dignity and respect to call for peaceful protests, we see yet again more looting, gunfire, rioting, burning and hoarding.

These fuckin animals don't give a damn about Mike Brown they're just using this and his death to justify destroying and stealing. But of course the liberal left ignores this. Rocks and stones were thrown at law enforcement, and a CNN reporter got hit by a rock in the head! So much for bringing out a 'peaceful' demonstration. If this is the great change to the system that's supposed to come after this, I want no fucking part of it. I'm absolutely done with all this nonsense and the ignorant masses who don't know their ass from their elbow

This is why you DON'T believe all you hear on social media. The crack head that was with him swore up and down he was shot in the back with his hands up too. Yea right.

I'll never understand "hey he didn't get indicted, lets destroy every business in OUR neighborhood!". Fucking losers need a life!

And hey I hate most police officers too, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna reach for their gun and go to hitting them either.

For anyone who is interested, this is the New York Times link to the Grand Jury material that was released last night:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html?_r=1

The witness interviews can be pretty interesting.

well, the fact that there were 3 blacks on the grand jury tells me the evidence was overwhelming, and the cop was only defending himself, if there was any doubt would not have the

three black people voted to indict the cop?

I realize you claim to have no political leanings one way or the other (and I believe that, when it comes to questions between Republicans/Democrats - which are really just two sides of the same coin), but let's not pretend your views aren't coloured by a conservative bias. That much is obvious. America itself tends towards a conservative bias, I mean, the Democrats in Canada would be more rightwing than our Tory party.

Your arguments in this thread, PB, are unusually brow beating, intellectually disingenuous and seem like a thin guise for your obvious racial prejudices (which shine bright and clear whenever you talk to cookcounty and while I understand your contempt for the kid, it doesn't justify stooping to the lowest level possible). You're a smart man, but set in your ways and put too much emphasis on information conveyed by sources that are intrinsically misleading; the media, whether it's left or right leaning and (let's not pretend that there are not outlets who tend towards the right), simply pander to peoples' confirmative biases.

So you tell me which you think is more credible and more importantly why you think that? I see you guys talking about all this evidence that conclusively proves the officer is innocent of aggression. Okay, well, what is it? Where is it? I see everything here on this topic EXCEPT any evidence one way or the other. This case is so distorted that I quite honestly cannot separate fact from fiction, yet you all seem to have zero issue with it.

Darren Wilson breaks his silence, "I wouldn't change a thing..."

http://nypost.com/2014/11/25/darren-wilson-breaks-his-silence-i-had-to-shoot-michael-brown/

And it's been clear from your very first post that you're a left leaning European with a clear bias against Americans. I wasn't going to mention it. But since you're giving yourself away here, why not?

And you're as entitled to your liberal worldview as anyone else. But until you've lived in this country and walked these neighborhoods, I'm sorry, but your opinion just doesn't matter all that much to me. You're a foreigner, plain and simple. That doesn't mean you're a bad guy. As a matter of fact I find your posts to be well written and intelligent. But when it comes to what goes on in America, I'd rather bang heads with Cook County. I don't like him, he doesn't like me. But he's an American. And by virtue of his birthright, his opinion (as retarded as I believe it to be) is going to mean more to me than that of a left leaning Englishman.


The autopsy is all I need. That cretin went for the cop's gun. And now he's dead. Case closed. Until these animals find another excuse to burn down their own neighborhoods.

A young mans life ruined..... His poor family will have to deal with this for a long time, all because a scumbag and that really is all he was, got what you get when you commit a crime, assault a police officer and then dare we say are intent on murdering said police officer!
Per say what would have happened had he succeeded in taking the gun? A dead police officer that's what.!!!
Maybe I am being harsh, 2 families may be affected because of this, but I have a feeling one of these is a decent person like most of society the other is the result of a grudge feeling, that somehow because they had a hard life growing up that society owes them something. America is was and will always be the land of opertunity, work hard, play hard, you may just make a go of it. 18yr old scumbag Brown thinks otherwise.
Breaking news, society owes you nothing! You were not born in the depression nor the slave era, you were a product of your own family and self worth, which seemingly proved true and yes you were a waste of a god ride.
As has been mentioned several times in this thread, you get back what you put in to society.
Officer Wilson I salute you!
Mr.Brown you dug your hole! I just hope it's deep enough.

The link to all of the Grand Jury evidence was posted two posts above your own. You might find the witness interview transcripts to be of interest.

The fact is blacks in this country don't care about black life. They kill eachother on a daily basis and you never hear anything. Its not about black life, its about being angry at their overwhelming lack of success in this country. They are looking to blame everyone else for their collective status. They need look no further then in their collective mirrors.

These animals would've rioted no matter what the verdict was. It's the holiday season, they had to do Christmas shopping...LOL

A Hallmark moment from The Hood .

I would have to say your very wrong and that's quite a judgmental view that overlooks the successes for all the negative actions that others commit.

Furthermore if everybody looked in that Ferguson crowd of looters they will see whites as well. Besides the protests/looting have spanned into 107 cities including those that are predominately white.

What successes are you referring to exactly? This is just another incident in a long line of "reasons" to riot and loot. When Lyndon Johnson replaced the black father with welfare checks and more money for more children had out of wedlock, it was the end of the black family unit. With the end of that, you get actions like Ferguson. I find it funny that you use the term "Black Family"...when there really isn't one anymore...just people who claim relations...Father's Day has got to be one funny day in the hood.

There protesting in NYC now no make shift signs for these guys. A lot of them are professionally made where is the money comming from. A lot of these people are being paid to cause trouble. Like occupy wall street guys.

You think the leaders are the same guy who lead occupy wall street?

Think they would pay me to cause trouble it will give me someone to kill. Did I say that I mean it will give me something to do

Because everyone just loves free stuff all colors. Think there are any professional anarkists among them or leading them. You can draw a horse to a well. But once there there they don't want to leave. Anarchists are like that they draw people to trouble like leading a horse to water.

I fucking love free stuff even if I can afford to buy my on. When I steal something even at my age I get a hard on. I feel young again love it.

I might go an join them. Have they looting any butcher shops?

During the Harlem riots they did that. Then they go back to the black areas and actually sell meat on the street.

I bet some white guys told them what to steal. Then to bring the stuff to them they pay them pennies on the dollar and they sell it for 50/60 cents on the dollar.

This is an incorrect generalisation. In Paul Glicks "Black Families"' an extensive survey found that 26% of African Americans were raised within a nuclear family (two parents with children in the same house hold), compared to 36% of all U.S. families. While there is a notable difference, it really isn't that far off.

This is what I like about the black that got killed. He had the balls to try and take the cops gun off him.

Normally people don't do that unless they are high was he high. Did any of those three autopsies show he was stoned at the time?

There is a lot about the story I don't believe.

I think this is true I thought it was true in that Florida shooting as well.

In a fight and you get hurt but it was not deadly force. If you have a gun you will use what you have.

Your not going to fight someone and not use the gun.

The cop goes on an interview show what a dummy now everyone knows what he looks like. Now he a big red dot on his chest. If you can see him you can kill him. That might save other cops who do not have the same face. Don't see the face you see the uniform they all look alike.

Yellow pill in the morning, Foot. You're having another episode.

So a question before all of this went down and he got himself killed:

What's the point of stealing Cigars? Were these cherry swishers from Cuba or something and worth thousands of dollars? I understand the logic behind robbing a half a million from a bank and high tailing it to a foreign country. But what's the point? He was going to smoke them in three hours anyways and be looking for more.

Senseless crime??

They were cigarellos he stole, you use them to roll blunts...or so i have been told

[quote=Footreads]This is what I like about the black that got killed. He had the balls to try and take the cops gun quote]

You are so wrong. Michael Brown didnt have balls, he was uneducated due to his mother having him out of wedlock and not having any discipline in the family. This of course leads to having NO sense of consequences and not understanding your actions. Stupidity has nothing to do with bravery my friend.
Most people with an IQ can reason and use logic, he clearly didnt. He had all the attributes of a typical black male born out of wedlock and born to a woman who probably has many children with different men. The mother needs to be thrown in jail to be perfectly honest. She and those like her are the cause of all these out of control black youth .
Stop spreading your legs for 5 minutes !!!! Really, get with the program.

Absolutely, BF. I think you know I'm nothing if not consistent (I hope you know that, anyway). And I think those White dopes should be shot on sight, too (but only if they get violent, of course).

You had to see them in Manhattan yesterday. These are the same phonies who protested at Zuccotti Park three years ago. And when they were done protesting the wealth, they all walked home to their SoHo and Greenwich Village apartments (which contain two of the ten wealthiest zip codes in the United States).

They're displaying the same hypocrisy here. Let one of these lily white midwestern transplants walk East New York or the South Bronx for ten minutes and see what happens. They won't do it, just like they wouldn't give up Daddy's money when that farce at Zuccotti Park was over.

Funny you should mention that. I went on new med it did not help. So my doctor said take two a day. He never gave me a new perscription they worked, but I ran out i half the time. Tried calling him last week he is on vacation. In yestarday told his assistant. She said they will fax the new one to my drug store. They did not he is off today and tomorrow I have a two day supply left.

He better call me back or he will need a doctor. After next week I have to get a new dentist.

Moral to this as James Cagney used to say never steal anything small.

Yes he was too stupid to be afraid.

How about sterilization for the mother or the son. Like the nazi's used to do the the simpletons.

Which was also indorced buy one of our greatest supreme court justices Oliver Wendel Homles excuse the spelling

Yes, they definitely would have rioted no matter what.....and here's exactly why:


These so called minority "leaders" keep fueling the fire with their rhetoric. The Al Sharptons of the world ( I REFUSE to address him as a Reverand) are nothing more than racists themselves who use and exploit tragedies such as this one to further their own agendas. Rev Al Sharpton continually misrepresents and exploits the African American people! Real leaders who care about their communities and the people that they represent don't pour fuel on the fire. Real and sincere leaders work to make the lives of those in this country better by representing the people in a dignified way. The Al Sharptons of the world have no dignity. It sickens me to sit and watch people like him on Television repeatedly shout out that this is a racial issue, a case of discrimination against the African American people. Not once did I hear or see him tell the people that he claims to represent that destroying property and resorting to violence is not the way to make things better. Instead he just keeps inciting these people. He's continued to incite people day after day. If this, as he keeps saying, is a case of racial discrimination against the African American community, then he needs to explain WHY some these African American "protesters" were amongst those who looted and stole from the African American business men and woman of the Ferguson Community? If this is, as he keeps advocating, all about racial discrimination against the African American people of this country, then why did many of the protesters, who are African American, participate in destroying, vandalizing and burning down businesses owned by African American people in the Ferguson community? This is not a case of racial discrimination.....this is just an excuse by those who really don't care to help make things better in this country to instead take what is not theirs, destroy what they will not work hard to have themselves, and rise up violently against those who have worked with dignity to make their lives better and make their communities a better place to live in by building businesses in that community! 

The people, regardless of their race, color, ethnic background, or sexual orientation, have EVERY right under the constitution to gather and protest in this country. We should never be denied that right. But our right to assemble and protest does NOT offer us the right to hurt anyone , steal from anyone, vandalize or destroy property in order to get our point across for whatever we are protesting about or in disagreement about. Once we resort to these acts of anarchy, it destroys the moral fabric of the constitution and goes against every reason that our constitution was amended to give us the right to protest. We must protect our right to protest by staying within the confines of the law.

The people need to wake up and see that Al Sharpton doesn't give a rats ass about the people of the country, including the minorities. He doesn't give a damn about this country in general and doesn't give a damn about what's best for the people and communities that he keeps claiming to represent.

Al Sharpton only cares about one thing....... forwarding his OWN agenda for his own personal gain. Nothing more.

Did any of you New Yorkers encounter protesters yesterday?

If was the same in London a few years ago following the death of Mark Duggan who too was shot dead by police, the riots went on for almost a week in London and several other cities in England. Most of the people wasn't protesting they was just looting and destroying properties which where hundreds of years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots#Property_and_business_damage

FERGUSON PROTESTS IN NYC

so i take it people think mike brown ran through five bullets.....smh

who runs through five bullets? who runs towards gunfire?

sounds like bullshit

@Don Cardi: Best post yet on this subject. Happy Thanksgiving, Brother. Don't be such a stranger. Without you around I tend to lose my temper a lot faster. I'm giving fits to poor SC .

As far as Sharpton goes, you're spot-on. It's sad that these poor people don't even realize when they're being used. But it's a tradition in America to take advantage of your own. Let's face it, the mob did the same thing in the Italian neighborhoods years ago (but at least our grandparents assimilated ).

The real tragedy here is that in the year 2014, the Black community still can't seem to do any better than Sharpton and Jackson. They're so . . . 1987. Think about that for a minute. All these years after Tawana Brawley and her self-inflicted feces bath, Al and Jesse are still at it.

And Bill Cosby---who was front and center for that twat's lies---has gone on to rape about two dozen women.

saw Michael browns mother on t.v. yesterday. al sharpton was behind her, wish he would run into gunfire,

im so sick of seeing this guy!!

No but these are the same anarchists who did occupy wall street.

I did run into some of them during occupy wall street on purpose.

It did not end well for two of the older ones. The we're both in their late 50s. I was much older then them. I guess because of that they thought they were safe and that they could gorilla me. They found out they were both wrong. They won't forget me anytime soon I hope they can still see funny there never seems to be a cop around when they needed one.

Just a minute now -- the Don is semi-retired and SC is in charge of the Family business now. If you have anything to say, say it to SC.




Thank you PB.

Yes, people have such short memories. That whole Tawana Brawley lie! OMG!

If you remember Cosby even posted a $25,000 reward for information about what turned out to be a hoax rape allegation by her....put up to it by Sharpton and her mother.

Sharpton, C. Vernon Mason and Alton Maddox ruined the lives of those 6 white men!

Geez, a group of black men conspired with a black girl and her mother to make false allegations against 6 white men. And yet I don't remember anyone running through the streets, burning down buildings and yelling prejudice because of the FALSE charges made against those white men!


Yes, Sharpton is a low life piece of shit who deserved to be put in a cell next to BUBBA a long long time ago!

Associated Press story about the mass of inconsistencies in witness statements:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/U...-11-26-18-12-22

You don't want to confuse the looters' apologists with facts, MP. It just isn't fair.

some of yall better hope there ain't a hell

god don't like racism

if u think he does you'll be in hell with the muslim extremist

But God's an old White guy. He looks a little like Colonel Sanders.

Happy Thanksgiving, Cook. Seriously. We can go back to banging heads on Friday.

Friday? As in BLACK friday. Dats racist!

@pizzaboy


regardless what race or gender god is you're disappointing him

you're gonna be judged on judgement day

u better hope there ain't a heaven or hell because u have hate in your heart

maybe u can drink some of michael jackson's jesus juice to cool off hells fire

I tried. I really did. I even wished you a Happy Thanksgiving, and the moderators can verify it a few posts up. Now you can go fuck yourself. You and your entire out of wedlock family.

And I'll pass on the Jesus juice. I'm a devout Catholic and I know exactly why I'll be saved. I don't need the blessing of Black hucksters like Al and Jesse. If there's a Hell, those are two Black guys who will finally ride the front of the bus to get there.

Gonna name you two Ebony and Ivory. TAKE THIS SHIT OFF THE BOARDS!

Overall success that Italianforever seems ignorant of such as education, careers, industries, entrepreneurs, etc ! I want to express how disappointed I find these generalized comments when these few posters don't know anything outside the negative stereotypes of my culture. I understand that there's only a few active black posters on this forum but geez show some respect.

These birds of feather poster display ignorance nor differ from the hoodlums in the street they so detest. I was willing to have a mature debate/conversation with a poster on the subject of out of wedlock and similar topics but a no show. I repeat once again, Marriage doesn't equal in no shape nor form parenting period.

It's basically difficult to relate how it feels being in another person's shoes.

@SC

They really do like each other.

I don't know who this debate was with, BF. But it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that children do better in TWO parent homes. Black, White, whatever. Doesn't make a difference. But it's hard to argue that children do better when raised by TWO hands-on parents.

Really after all he said in trying to be nice that's what you come back with? You attack him.

Hate in his heart? That's friggin rich

You really can't see that Ferguson was not about justice. It was about exploiting the situation for people's personal gain. You need to look no further than the rioting and looting. But you don't wanna do that do you? You'd rather ignore that fact and blame someone else

Don't forget his buddy Jesse should join him in that cell. Hey Bubba two for the price of one.

Anyone living in the area ? That this is going on in ? And what is happening there with the riots ?

Also it's hard to say in that case of a two parent home as well. Due to child neglect or abuse could be detrimental to that child/children livelihood. My point is that the relationship between the parents is their issue (married/divorced/never wedded) but being wholesome parents is a different case.

@oldschool3,

Since your not familiar with black OC ; Black Family refers to Weusi Giadi Jama. Do some research

Hey it's thanksgiving in NYC

The big parade is going on

But no demonstrations

Why is that perfect place to demonstrate and the perfect time, but nothing why is that

These instigators need money

Best way to get it is to extort the guys that run an event like this

The deal could be deposit 2 million in a numbered account and you can have yourself a wonderful parade

It's just business

Yesterday on the news I saw that one of those asshole firebombers set a church on fire. As it turns out it is the church that Michael Browns family allegedly attends (Right) the pastor comes out and says white supremisists set it on fire.

The Lt. Governor of Mo. was interviewed and specifically asked where the National Guard was the first night when there was heavy damage from the "protesters" It became obvious that he (Republican) and the Gov. (Democrat) don't like each other and don't talk to each other. He was demanding an investigation about the Nat. Guard. He said the Gov. held them back the first night. They were deployed on night 2 and damage was greatly reduced. I am thinking that some of those merchants who lost everything might be able to sue the state for failure to protect when they had the resources to do so.
Lastly, do any of you remember those massive riots the whites held after the OJ verdict ???

I ran out on my bill at Kentucky Fried Chicken. It was a peaceful protest.

The white lawyer on OJ defense team marched against his acquittal

6 minutes of truth...

I hope that Officer Wilson can get back to some degree of normalcy.

And this story goes away.

If a quarter of the African American Community would have this mentality, they as a whole would be a better united race. It seems like the only time they come together is when Sharpton spews hate for his own secret exploits and financial gain.

The media should cover more guys like this, it shows the world that not every African American is the generalized "stereotype" people tend to think they are.

I heard black men say this before. He did not say it out right, but maybe what he really meant was do the same damage in white areas and not in black areas.

This will be my final take on the subject. After this, I'm done even thinking about Michael Brown or Ferguson, Missouri.

Firstly, there is an awful lot of stereotyping and hate speech going on in this thread. I realize that the majority is targeted towards a certain individual on these boards and not as a generalized opinion on the entire African American race, but it's hate speech all the same, and we should all be above that.

Secondly, and I mean this with every fiber of my being: Michael Brown did not deserve to die. He was a hoodlum and a bully, but none of that warrants a death sentence.

That being said, however, we all make choices in life, and those choices have consequences. Michael Brown decided to get into a physical altercation with a police officer, and he was killed. Will we ever know the full story? Probably not, but we do know this. An officer's number one priority is his own safety. Because if he can't guarantee his own safety, how can he protect the public that he serves? Officer Wilson felt he was in mortal danger, and he did what he was trained to do. It is unfortunate and tragic that a young man had to lose his life over something so stupid, so inconsequential. But Michael Brown made a choice, and it came with the ultimate consequence.

I won't even waste any time on the people rioting and looting over the verdict, because they could give a rats ass whether the officer was found guilty or not. As soon as Michael Brown was killed, they wanted Officer Wilson's head on a platter, evidence be damned. Let them destroy each other for all I care.

ENOUGH OF THIS SHIT. STOP IT!!!

This is waaaaay out of hand and inappropriate for these boards. No more warnings!

I stopped posting in this thread two days ago. Because you're right, it's completely out of hand now. You had to close the original thread about Ferguson for similar reasons. I don't think anyone would blame you if you locked this one, too. And I say this as one of the guilty parties.

nothing more to be said about this grand jury verdict, however
the federal probe is just beginning, and that's when the fur going to fly on this thread, its going to be a new ball game.
the feds will not leave it alone, and combine that with a liberal media and, this case is just beginning.

There are no winner's when something like this happens, obviously. Benjamin Watson, a tight end for the New Orleans Saints had pretty good take on the whole thing. I think he posted his views/ opinions on Facebook. I'm not on Facebook and not competent enough to post the link but it was a good read.

We're ones to talk about black people rioting.

Remember when we rioted after OJ got away with killing Nicole & Ron?

Oh right. That didn't happen.

Remember when we rioted after several black guys dragged an innocent man out of a truck and bashed his face in with a brick during the LA Riots?

Oh right. That didn't happen either.

And this poor kid resigned yesterday. Just for protecting himself. I hope he becomes a well paid spokesman for the NRA and the right to bear arms. I also hope that Brown's family doesn't see a nickel from this. That would make me very happy.

Poor guy had to resign. Otherwise he would have been putting not just himself but his colleagues in danger from retaliatory attacks.

Exactly. He put his fellow cops above himself, and that takes character. A lot more character than the thug he put in the ground.

I'm glad he made the right decision.

Moe, none of us rioted or acted like a bunch of animals, robbing and looting but we sure as hell protested after that truck driver Reginald D beating. It was chaotic on the college campuses some of the classes were cancelled. And I'm talking Orange County. LA was never the same since. Like NY Los Angeles has it's neighborhoods South Central LA ,Compton and the LGB where Snoop Dog comes from, East LA/Venice beach Santa Monica mainly Hispanic, downtown LA, west Hollyweird, and Beverly Hills.
For a very LONG time south central LA or even driving on the freeways down that way was to be avoided. Drive by's were common.

We BOTH know what is coming next, the legal shakedown that is known as a "civil suit". You know good and damn well that shyster Benjamin Crump will be begging to take him to court so they can hope for some settlement and cash out.

I hope they don't see a damn dime either!

Actually he put his fellow cops in danger

And he endangered non deranged white citizens of MO

Todays NY Daily News says that Michael Brown's stepfather might be charged with inciting a riot for telling a crowd to "burn this motherf**ker down".

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/mi...ticle-1.2030219

I honestly hope not. Those Black nitwits in prison will just make a hero out of him the same way they made a martyr of his thug son.

it's okay for john gotti and nicky scarfo sons to be thugs but not michael brown?

Please. You're grasping. Again. Because I'm forever warning kids here about mob life, so your comment carries no weight whatsoever (as usual).

Michael Brown got what he asked for. Now I hope you notice that I didn't say that he got what he deserved. But when you grab for a cop's gun, you're asking to be put down. I don't even like most cops. But Darren Wilson is a hero for using deadly force on that piece of shit. I hope he gets rich off this. Because last time I checked, George Zimmerman made himself more than a million dollars from various appearance fees and interviews for offing that other piece of garbage (who also asked to get shot).

So here's hoping that Darren Wilson does the same, and that the (Trayvon) Martin and the (Michael) Brown families stay as broke and ghetto as they were before Jesse and Al exploited them to further their own financial and political agendas.

And the picture that Ivy League just posted is right on point. Everything that the conservatives warned about back in 2008 turned out to be true. Everything. I feel like a fool for having supported that bum.

A general was killed in action earlier this year and he didn't even have the decency to show up for the funeral. But he had enough time and manpower to speak out about how Trayvon could have been his son, and he let Calhoun (his attorney general) fan the flames in Missouri after the entirely justified shooting of a violent criminal.

You really are stupid.

Who said it was ok for Jr. Gotti or Scarfo's son to be thugs? They were a menace to society just like Brown was. The Feds also went after them like the cops in Ferguson went after Brown.

I promise you if Junior Gotti did the same thing Brown did he would have been just as dead in that street that day. But racists like yourself just want to push your agenda that Whitey is out to get all of you. WTF does Whitey do to you? I could care less WTF you do on a daily basis. I could care less where you work or what you do as long as it's within the law. I'm a white male who didn't have it any easier than the black male standing next to me in school. But because I went out and done something with myself makes me Mr. Whitey that's trying to hold you down? You can kiss my white ass, I earned every dollar I've ever made because I went out and worked for it. If you haven't then that's your fucking fault.

@pizzaboy

if it's okay for junior gotti to join the mafia, then it's okay for mike brown to steal

your hypocrisy has no limitations



@dixiemafia

u do realize that people like pizzaboy look down on people from alabama?

they use yalls vote and then crack jokes on u

OK, you guys don't wanna listen. You were given plenty of warnings.

dixiemafia got a three day suspension (first offense and it was a relatively mild one) and cookcounty earned a two-week vacation from the board. Hopefully they'll both be more mindful of the Board's Rules regarding flaming and trolling if and when they return.

Jeez.. after a long vacation from the boards, I come back and I see this??

Well, I missed ya, DT .

jeeeeeeezzzzzzzz......... im sorry I ever started this thread.
too much of a touchy subject. sorry.....

Black Family. You really think I can't differentiate between educated black people and uneducated thugs? I merely aimed my comments at cookcounty based off of the repeated ignorance and racism he displays on these boards. I believe last week he was making veiled threats about how the people in fergusen were going to get high and then "do dirt" or something to that effect. And do dirt they did, and in the process destroyed their own community. Congrats!

So ye, I matched his ignorance. Was it wrong? Probably. Does that excuse it? Probably not. But it is funny to me that I never see you speak critically of the disgusting racist ignorance he spews. And I say racist purposefully because racism goes both ways. In fact the most overt racism I see these days comes from black people against white males.

ItalianForever. I mostly sit out of these discussions (due to the mess it brings) and just read others view point respectively. It's not so much the knee-jerk reaction but the People's Eyebrow reaction to certain comments that seem blanket everybody instead of the miscreants. It's in the same breathe as name calling stereotypes of Italians. I try not to get distracted by the foolishness and stay focus on topic objectively. I misunderstood your reactions were regarded to Cook in a troll like manner. I apologize if I lashed out on your comment. It's that case of if the shoes was on the foot per say.

As far Cook comments, it represents Cook opinions. You do notice that I don't applaud nor support his words is because it's his/her view. Not mine. Plus me & Cook is on/off like Pizzaboy on certain topics.

That's fair, BF. And you're a bright and level headed guy, so I'm going to clarify something about myself once and for all.

I'm Italian American, 55 years old. I grew up with a million wiseguys in the Fordham/Belmont section of the Bronx when they were still strong around there. And I'm ALWAYS warning these kids here that the real mob is not a movie or a television show.

And it also drives me nuts when kids whose families have been here for five generations try to come off like Vinny Barbarino. And I ALWAYS give them shit for lowering themselves down to the stereotype. Go through my posts and see if I'm lying.

So here's my position: If I'm willing to knock MY OWN PEOPLE for lowering themselves down to a stereotype, why should I be afraid to mention it when Blacks or Puerto Ricans do the same thing? Because in my mind, I'm just being consistent.

Not that pizzaboy needs any back up because he clearly does not but I will vouch for his statement detailed above.

PB has always been justifiably critical but fair when addressing the negative stereotypes of Italian-Americans and those who choose to imitate or laud the unflattering "caricature".

I've seen many back and forth posts to confirm pizzaboy's mission on this BB. Numerous "fan boys" have came and went after they realize that a genuine neighborhood guy will take them to task and offer them a non distorted and factual account of how people, places and things truly are in that world.

That's why PB is regarded as a sincerely authentic stand up guy and I'm proud to call him my friend.

Salute'!

http://listverse.com/2014/12/04/10-incredible-acts-of-heroism-by-ordinary-people

Seen this article recently titled "10 incredible acts of heroism by ordinary people".

Many of these ordinary people performing heroic, selfless & lifesaving acts were black people.

There are plenty of good black people out there but Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are not among them.

The people in Ferguson, Missouri should try and remember Michael Brown by simply trying to be better people, whether that's paying it forward or going to church more.

Violence and robbing TV's isn't going to prove anybody wrong. It's just going to give people as much ammunition as they think they have.

Much appreciated PB. There major differences in our experience of dealing with people. You were raised in the most populated city in your state and matter of fact the country , you experience many different scenarios. Compared to bring brought up in one of the mid sized cities in the poorest state in the country which is more known for its hate crimes than southern hospitality. My city only have around 115 or so Italians . Of course just like in many other cities , blacks was segregated into certain communities. If you was born here than your current views might of been a little different.

Where were you born? Mississippi or West Virginia? Either way it wasn't a great place to be if you were black in the 1950s

My state abbreviation is in the location and being black in the 50s wasn't great anywhere in the country but it was fun regardless.

Are you that old, BF? I figured you were younger, what with your vast knowledge of the current gang scene and all.

No
Mid -20s. I'm just (at least studying wise) well verse in my people's history and culture. I know about some gangs from being around them. Like I said before, about 90% of the gang affiliation in my state is Chicago based with family ties.

Really? You're in Mississippi, right? That's a pretty long haul.

Pizza Chicago is only 9/10 hours maybe from MS? Depending on which city of course. It's one of those natural progression type deals when people end up in the Southern ports and go North.

You listen to some folks and we are still racist down here but it couldn't be further from the truth. I'd say the different races get along better here in the South than they do anywhere now.

I absolutely agree with this. You've been living with each other for the longest time. It makes sense.

Yes ( GDs & VLs the majority statewide) and Yes. It goes back to blacks leaving Mississippi for jobs in the Chicago area and due to the gang culture within the city was affected by it. Plenty of stories of gangs going into black communities harassing and assaulting blacks. Therefore blacks created clubs which later on turned criminal and migrate back to MS state ( mainly family reunions, parents don't want their kids harmed/killed, and business). Chicago black mobs been networking with Mississippi since the 70s. I could say it like this ; The Old Country is to LCN while the South is to Chicago/ L.A/ N.Y organizations.

All I know is, Jimmy Buffett's from Pascagoula. And he's so laid back that racism doesn't stand a chance in that state anymore .

I concur with everyone above. This whole thing that the south is still racist is a giant myth. If anything living in the North all my life has taught that most of these white extreme liberals have no idea how to interact or treat blacks like regular people. They always gotta bring up race and twist it into a non issue. It's like Mike from All in the Family. Every time he saw Lionel he had to make everything into a 'black and white' problem. For fuck's sake sometimes we forget people are people.

2 policemen shot in Ferguson.

Where's the outrage? Oh wait, forgot if it's black on white it's not racist!

I watched footage this morning,5.30am gmt,in which the black tv presenter at the scene got basically mugged and ran away, on camera, by 2 black guys. They then started looking about, dead close up in front of camera, trying to steal all the gear. MLK must be turning in his grave because of these twisted,lazy assholes who are all an embarrassment to ANY civil rights movement. There's too many people like this, TOO MANY, who continually drag down and encourage the majority to believe it's just persicution. An 18mile, circular drive by around fergusson sounds like the answer..start again and get it right

I didn't really mean the last comment, before any one starts shooting in their pants, but it needs a serious overhaul

No, you had it right the first time, Fergie. I said it in the other thread. Put up an electric fence and leave them to their own devices. It'll take less than a week to prove that Darwin was right about everything. And by that, I'm just speaking of survival of the fittest. Because I firmly believe in God, but that's not relevant to the conversation.

I was just trying to cover my ass, as everyone has to these days when it comes to race nonsense...!

In the UK we have an underclass (of every race) of lazy, pointless scroungers who's only achievable goal is to breed and subsequently dodge and cheat mainstream society,but at the same time has the audacity to blame that same society for their own worthlessness...total scumbags. Fergusson is just a small example in the US. People are sick and tired paying for this every day,having to sit silently under the threat of political correctness etc

Ferguson is going through a rough social event but it's not like East St.Louis people. It's a small city just like my hometown and it will cool off. Just the community/police relations aren't on the same page yet.

The cooling off period could be many years, especially if the flames of anger and discontent are continuously being ignited by outside agitators. So far, the President, AG Eric Holder, Al Sharpton and anarchists have not only inflamed tensions but given demonstrators a false narrative to be angry about. Now, even thought the Justice Dept. says that "hands up, don't shoot" never happened, some people are coming with claiming that it doesn't matter if he never said it but that it's a metaphor for police violence. The problem is, there was no unjustified police violence in this case!

In the meantime, what are Obama, Holder and Sharpton doing to help put this community back together? Nothing. Holder wants to break up the police department and replace it with outside police, yet the police who were shot were outside police. The agitators don't care about Ferguson police, they don't like ALL police, so outside police agencies won't fix the problem. Besides that, Obama, Holder and Sharpton are doing nothing for all those business owners whose businesses were destroyed and all the jobs that were lost.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...on-tragedy.html

Amen to that.

Holder would have loved to pin something on Wilson. He couldn't so he decided to go after everyone else. His BS report about Ferguson has simply made the black protesters (and their elite white and black instigators) feel justified.

The irony is, like Charles Barkley said, imagine how bad things would be in those black neighborhoods if it wasn't for the cops. Talk about ingratitude. It's never, ever about owning up to Brown and others in their midst being thugs and criminals. It's always about blaming the white man. This victim mentality, spoon-fed to them by the liberal white elite for years, is the worst enemy of the black community.

Also wanted to add an update on ferguson business owners:
http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/news/369...y-missouri-city

@Ivy "This victim mentality, spoon-fed to them by the liberal white elite for years, is the worst enemy of the black community"

Totally agree, although Id go further and say theres no excuse for falling for it. Individuals make up a society and, at the end of the day, we're all spoon fed bullshit to varying degrees, but its either about how much you use it as an excuse for your own failings or how much you ignore it as nonsense and get on with your life.

The article said that business owners have access to $650,000 in interest free loans. That's not for each business owner but all of them. That's the price of a middle class home in southern California. Why are they being offered loans anyway? Theyre going to have to pay those back and the environment is still iffy. They need grants not loans. The rioting could have been prevented and government inaction allowed while government leaders provoked it.

@ faithfull, the rioters caused the damage to local businesses, no one else. The local community/business owners etc should be working closely with law enforcement to bring those responsible to justice - I would if it was my business.

Surely if you're livelihood had been destroyed by local assholes its the first thing you would do. THATS where it has to start. These are, as the article says, zero % loans. Most property insurance policies wont cover your home for rioting or offer any sort of loan, far less a private business, so they are lucky any funds are being made available (and I appreciate the nightmare they must be going through) but why should the tax payer cover the cost? What about next time, next place? Again, everybody needs to play their part in that particular town, shoulder the blame and make sure it never happens again - and stop screaming about false persecution. Its getting boring....

You get businesses to invest in bad areas by giving them tax breaks or they won't invest there. It gives job opportunities for people in that area that would not have them other wise.

But then you have people who love to shit where they eat.

Totally agree footreads, and tax breaks may have been given, but obviously granted on the basis of risk and both parties know the score, so when shit happens, thats it. Life's a bitch.

Now, theres a seperate arguement about the government maintaining some form of infrastructure in communities, but really thats just down to public services which Im sure they fulfill (for free to most I imagine in Fergusson), but subsidising private business indefinetly as a result of crime is nonsense. Again, as an anaolgy, if youre determined to shit in your own house, you need to start cleaning it up at some point

I read the article. The fact is that the governor's ineptitude let the rioting happen by not providing the National Guard when the mayor asked for it, so in my book the governor has a great deal of responsibility in this. The loans are just too little too late. Footreads's idea of tax breaks is a step in the right direction, but more needs to be done or forget business in Ferguson and the city loses its tax base altogether. If that's the case then PB's idea makes more sense.

Deploying the National Guard isn't a decision that anyone could find easy, theres huge implications and precedents set after the fact if thats done, its not just a case of asking and getting. You must understand that.

Loans and tax breaks? I appreciate you cant just leave a community, but I feel more needs to be done BY the community, rather than just throwing money at it. Id much rather see money spent investing in genuine projects, helping local voluntary agencies who know the score. Its a bottomless pit if you just throw cash at businesses, they, at the end of the day, are obliged to make money, not help the community

ok ...directed at some points brought up here, not at anyone






Charles Barkley?Is the same Charles Barkley who was quoted before as saying "that's why I HATE white people" and variations of the same sentiment...is HE the one being quoted now by...... drum roll please........."white people"?
What Barkley oversimplified would be like telling people who complain about grievances with the U.S.govt. to go live somewhere with no government or to another country. The 1980s bumper sticker slogan "America, love it or leave it" Is that where we are ?
It blatantly misses the point.
Those who think the protest in Ferguson is 100% or even 5% street thugs...do you see the clergy out there?
You don't think there are taxpayers out there with legitimate grievances about the police force and the justice system?They are expressing THEIR anger over things that are bigger than MB getting shot.They feel that they are channeling their anger in a constructive way by marching and holding banners. Thug element is hiding behind the legitimacy of LEGAL civil disobedience and protest to settle scores and do what they always do(ruin the community for the taxpayers who have to live among them)
Until or unless it happens to you, very easy to lump all of those voices together and disregard all of them.

I think the issues and problems in our (Black) communities are more complex than what the leaders are equipped to deal with. African American,Caribbean, continental African alike the religious leaders are the de facto leaders of the community.I've written here before that organized religion and how it's practiced helps and hinders Black people in different ways....mostly hinders.

Obama,Holder, and especially Sharpton have nothing to do with the looting, rioting, or shootings,neither do outside agitators. Since the late 1960s there have been episodes of rioting and looting as a reaction to tensions between Black people and police/judicial system.Things generally turn the ugliest following police being acquitted of charges. The lip service that Obama & Holder paid to the case all along and the token investigation findings and firings seemed to have been done to actually mollify the protesters and to quiet them down. Even in the chaos of high tension protests , the shooting of the officers AFTER the firings/resignations don't make sense or follow the pattern of these types of events.

I read that Sharpton was booed off the stage at funeral service for MB and that the people of Ferguson have made it known that they didn't want him involved, so what he has to do with the violence that took place I will never know.

Same way that thugs co-opted the protests in Ferguson for their own benefit ...many seem to be co-opting the violent and criminal acts by these thugs to to target and blame a whole host of people.

anybody can reply or correct me as I've just come up to speed on the Ferguson story.

@ Get...I need to apologise straight away, I made the comment about the reporter getting mugged, and I took it out of context. To explain, I saw it at 5:30am in a hospital waiting room (my newborn is in getting heart surgery) on silent, spliced in rather neatly with the Ferguson news. So take my resulting MLK comments as bullshit, some confusion and lack of sleep is my excuse at the moment

@Ferg,

Most importantly...sending well wishes to your newborn..and hope you and your family are doing well ...

EVERYTHING else....is meaningless

Thanks mate, its maybe why Ive been a bit outspoken recently, sorry to anyone I might have pissed off a bit recently. Its been really good though throughout it all posting (cranky stuff no doubt!) and keeping an eye on the boards

@fergie - Will keep your baby in my thoughts and prayers too. Wish him, you and your family all the best.

Thanks Faithful, really good of you to say

Don't let this hijack the thread though, continue as normal (I'll take a bow on this one for now though)

@gets - I'll respond to some of these points that you made:



Actually Obama, Holder and Sharpton do have much to do with it. I watched the events of Ferguson from the beginning and have relatives in St. Louis. The three of them helped spread misinformation and made pre-emptive judgments on the police in Ferguson in general and Officer Darren Wilson in particular. They helped create the particular mindset that exists in Ferguson today. The article that I cited from the Daily Beast (a liberal/left publication) explains why: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...on-tragedy.html

Outside agitators also did make a difference. There were anarchists, many of whom participated at one of the recent G7 conferences where protestors engaged in vandalism and property damage. They actually trained many of the protestors in left-wing agitation. This helps to explain why as time progressed the protesting became more and more Marxist. You can read the anti-police rhetoric on this anarchist website, for example: http://anarchistnews.org/tags/ferguson
CNN also discussed anarchists in Ferguson: http://cdn.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/20...-Causing-Unrest
This site links the funding for the anarchists to a left-wing millionaire named Jack Dorsey: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2014/08/18/who-are-the-anarchists-in-ferguson-and-whos-funding-them/
The Huffington Post mentioned that the New Black Panthers came in from outside Ferguson: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/ferguson-protests_n_5689963.html

fergie... all my best to you and your newborn, god bless you both.

Thanks Binnie, he'll pull through Im sure, strong genes (on his mothers side!) another 2-3 weeks before we will be slightly more confident though. Im staying just next door to the kids hospital in Glasgow so close by

That's just it. Nobody deserves to be "mollified." All these ignorant assholes who are protesting should familiarize themselves with the facts of the case. It was a good shooting and Officer Wilson did society a favor by putting that thug in his grave. But the black community there, like all too often, immediately start playing the victim card and bitching about the white man. Holder, under Obama's direction, would have loved to pin something on Wilson. But he couldn't so now they are satisfying themselves and the protesters by making up all this BS about systemic problems in Ferguson and firing people who don't need to be fired. The cops should have gone Gestapo on these protesters a long time ago. Bring out the riot shot guns and tear gas for crying out loud. These people don't want to face reality? Maybe a policeman's nightstick upside their head will wake them up. Then again, probably not.

Ivy, according to your post all you want to do is brutalize people, you really think that is going to solve anything. do you have to revert to terror in the streets?

I respect your take on issues more than the author of article you cited. I recognized the name of the author and I didn't think that he'd write an impartial piece. here is a brief bio

Ronald I. "Ron" Christie is an American government relations expert and Republican political strategist, who has also worked as a member of former Vice President Dick Cheney's staff.
also for an article where he is a stickler for FACTS...he gets FACTS about the Gates incident wrong...most notably that Gates didn't have house keys....
police report for gates arrest
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/henry-louis-gates-jr-police-report

note that the officer carefully details exactly when he realized that Gates "appeared to be a resident" of the house that was being "broken into"....how early into the incident he knew that there was in fact NO BURGLARY taking place.
I'll re examine Obama and Holder's comments during the case, but stuff quoted in the article is flimsy.

I think politicans and personalities making comments might have had an impact on people following the the story at home, but that the emotion of the protestors was a direct result of the the inconsistencies in protocol....like police report for the incident not being filed/ or released in timely manner....and conflicting eyewitness reports


Initially I rejected the anarchist angle, because I felt that mentioning (implied) white outsiders protesting downplayed that there were Ferguson residents of all colors out there protesting.The Black community especially but people from all backgrounds.Also,I've seen the exact pattern of property damage in footage from riots from the past 4 decades based around similar issues...so I didn't think the thug element needed to be further coerced into doing what they do. I will read more about the outsiders who were protesting.I knew the NBP were out there.I'm certain that undercover agents are mixed in with the protesters too.

The shooting at cops at the point in the story that it happened does seem to point to outsiders. every area felon or criminal instantly becomes a suspect or person of interest and all types of law enforcement flood the area.

thanks for info, will review

The Ferguson police chief says the policemen were shot by handguns from a distance of 125 yards. If true, it points to seriously trained and talented shooters. 125 yards is a very far distance for handgun shooters to aim at and hit human targets. That fact alone will probably help narrow the search for the perps.

Protesters are exercising their rights under the First Amendment. Just like they did in your state when the White young man,Dillon Taylor, was shot and killed.
Until the justice system and authorities sorts it out, people don't have a definitive answer about what happens in situations between police and citizens.

Or...as I posted in another thread
Sometimes the justice system sorts it out..and is wrong as was the case with Marcus Jeter and Bloomfield,NJ police.

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2015/03/bloomfield_cops_in_dash-cam_case_reject_plea_deal.html


Note that...despite the simple narrative which you're viewing the Ferguson case with, that in the NJ case
-3 cops at the scene...Two white,one Black
-Internal affairs reviewed the case and found cops did nothing wrong
-just a fluke that the defendant's lawyer was able to recover the police footage that cleared him
-charges dropped against Jeter
-one cop plead guilty to minor charge, other cops charged......suspended without pay and awaiting trial

Ivy,
Do you think that this was the first time that either of those officers had railroaded a suspect? simple yes or no


Now about your "As "Blacks always do" view ,I think Mike Brown was the WRONG case to rally around or frame a serious discussion about police brutality around BUT in an(I think) totally unrelated case I read some of the same "thug who deserved to be put down" rhetoric on this board,not necessarily from you and it insulted my intelligence.
There are real street guys on this board, guys who have done time, people who are connected, and others who have read and studied about crime and criminals for years. No credible person on this board, even knowing what Trayvon's "sheet" was, would EVER consider him anything but a pussycat. I thought THIS site of all places on earth, would be the last place where I'd hear the word "thug" with TM's name.Killers who didn't rat are "stand up guys" but a little punk ass skinny kid is Triple OG menace to society ?? And he "deserved to be put down" for walking from point A to point B minding his business?
But like YOU said "people, like all too often, immediately....and start blaming....."


Were it not for a fluke,Marcus Jeter would be in jail right now for what the judicial system will officially determine to be trumped up charges.reality.Cases that those officers were involved with will be up for review if they are convicted. reality.Judicial system determined the shootings of M Brown and D Taylor to be justified.reality.The introduction of DNA evidence frees people who were convicted of crimes they didn't do..maybe some this year.reality.

The overall picture is not quite as simple as you'd have us believe.

Points to person with military background, right?

Where else can a person develop those types of shooting skills?

It's a person with legal firearms who goes to the shooting range often.

Also, the timing. There's no rhyme or reason to protests or riots, but after the token DOJ report and the fallout and resignations is not when you'd think there would be a shooting.

It doesn't add up.

They could have been trained outside the military or had a lot of practice at a local shooting range.

People can also develop shooting skills with video games.

Another example of recent police brutality took place in Philadelphia: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/05/2-p...ooter-severely/

On Ron Christie, yes he got some facts wrong about the Gates case, doesn't mean he's wrong the article I linked to.

@F1,

I'm gonna look into the hand that comments/actions by Obama/Holder had on the case and public reaction.

Was just saying that the livelihood of the article's author, as a republican strategist, is to criticize democrats in general and the president specifically.

I read the article anyway, I just don't think he made a strong enough case for what he was saying. If he did,I would have have conceded that. I conceded your points about the involvement of outsiders in the protests.I used to associate anarchists with protests about economic policies.


Comments about the background of the shooter, are just my Jersey roots showing. Gun and handgun laws here are strict relative to other states, so that influenced my thoughts on the background of the shooter(s).

A suspect was arrested who claims he was shooting at a person(s) with whom he had a dispute.

He missed his target but hit two cops? You really can't make this shit up, can you?

But I am willing to bet you PB that a lot of people will believe that ridiculous story. After all they believe the whole Hands up don't shoot narrative.

Absolutely, Beans. People believe what they want to believe. End of story.

Hey Gets,

Was 9/11 a inside job as well? Maybe carried out by the jews (noting all your farrakhan-like anti-semitic bullshit in the past)?

Was the moon landing faked? Were big feet involved?

You are vile racist moron that will continue to attempt to find bizarre conspiracies and excuses for a community that continues to carry out more violence and murders (13% of the population carries out 53% of the murders) than whites and hispanics and asian combined. Although I am guessing next you will claim the FBI statistics and the Crime Victimization Survey are also racist/conspiratorially against blacks.

I also hope ferguson gets the same wonderful black power structure that has served the residents of detroit, baltimore and selma so well. Everything is beautiful now that those towns got rid of their evil white cops.

"Now about your "As "Blacks always do" view ,I think Mike Brown was the WRONG case to rally around or frame a serious discussion about police brutality around BUT in an(I think) totally unrelated case I read some of the same "thug who deserved to be put down" rhetoric on this board,not necessarily from you and it insulted my intelligence.
There are real street guys on this board, guys who have done time, people who are connected, and others who have read and studied about crime and criminals for years. No credible person on this board, even knowing what Trayvon's "sheet" was, would EVER consider him anything but a pussycat. I thought THIS site of all places on earth, would be the last place where I'd hear the word "thug" with TM's name.Killers who didn't rat are "stand up guys" but a little punk ass skinny kid is Triple OG menace to society ?? And he "deserved to be put down" for walking from point A to point B minding his business?
But like YOU said "people, like all too often, immediately....and start blaming....."

@gets, Thank you for expressing that point around using "thug".

@nicky,
Chill. Your expressing yourself inappropriately and being offensive. We're for the grace of intelligence not 13% , it's 12.etc%. Also let's be level headed here, Blacks & Whites are the sole perpetrators of murders in this country together (99%, 1% all other ethnicities ). Ok! Lets not revisit that road of stats , cases, studies, etc bullshit. Discrimination/Racism (All of it is Tribalism) in our country is a scar that's not going anywhere regardless how far we moved into the future period.

You're right, BF. But let me play Devil's Advocate here. How come it seems that when Black people express pride in their background, it's considered noble? Yet if White people do it, they're often assumed to be racists?

I mean, can you imagine the uproar in the liberal media if there was a White History Month? And I'm not looking to rabble-rouse here. I hope you know me better than that. But there's a clear double standard in this country when it comes to expressing your roots (or as you aptly put it, tribalism).

And being that racism is going nowhere (again, you're right, and it's unfortunate on BOTH sides), how long do Black folks hang onto that as a crutch, and use it as an excuse to not assimilate? Because you know as well as I do that some Black people don't want to climb the social ladder.

Now, there are certainly Ethnic Whites that feel the same way. I'm Italian American, and we did it for years. But Ethnic Whites seem to finally give into the "American Way," if you will, and assimilate in a generation or two anyway. Whereas there are some Black families that have been here for ten generations, and they're still living down to the same stereotype that keeps pulling them back down the social ladder. Vicious cycle if you ask me.

If a ruling was announced, like a punishment to a community, figure 3-months of no mail or even better, all social services were cut off for a period of time in areas that have civil unrest, would things settle down and residents be more diligent about holding neighbors and relatives accountable for unlawful conduct.

"You're right, BF. But let me play Devil's Advocate here. How come it seems that when Black people express pride in their background, it's considered noble? Yet if White people do it, they're often assumed to be racists"

PB, We come to an understanding since past dialogue so I'm on board.
Through a mountain of obstacles and sacrifices is why there is considerate pride on the black side. Now as for whites it's the supremacist groups that ruined the feeling through misguided ideology. Every time they speak of "their" white pride, every other non whites is beneath their feet. It seems that white pride is more express respectfully through ethnic ties ( You & other posters Italian roots, Germans, Irishs, Polish, Scottish, Russians,etc.) or through American pride.

"I mean, can you imagine the uproar in the liberal media if there was a White History Month? And I'm not looking to rabble-rouse here. I hope you know me better than that. But there's a clear double standard in this country when it comes to expressing your roots (or as you aptly put it, tribalism). "

Speaking for myself I wouldn't mind and we shouldn't give a damn what the media says. By now we should have a Cultural History Month so everybody can celebrate their roots. As everybody knows Black History was originally a week then others expanded the festival into a month. Double standards is here just like being a victim of rape by a beautiful model/actress . The tribalism I pointing out is the continuing stereotypes/discrimination/conflicts of your people, mine, them, there's , etc.

"How long do Black folks hang onto that as a crutch, and use it as an excuse to not assimilate? Because you know as well as I do that some Black people don't want to climb the social ladder. "

First, Define assimilation by your view. Second , We're talking about a society (not all) that made certainty that Blacks wouldn't be within the mainstream social ladder from the get go. So when assimilation is brought up here & there in different topics it makes wonder Is it mandatory or optional? I just am not quite sure honestly at times. People say blacks have this opportunity to climb this ladder and it happens then others say we're not taking advantage because of ABC/XYZ or another case of LEGIT discrimination rears up. It's like their a tug of war of accept/discourage/ignore.


Indeed a vicious cycle and you have to as they say "walk in another shoes" to understand that catch 22. Often it's true and other times their just raised in a box.

Interesting take ,, pizza. I'd disagree though. Tomorrow in the city, St. Pat's Day is essentially an Irish American parade.The Columbus Day parade is basically the Italian American parade.West Indian Day parade.Puerto Ricans.Greeks. Several ethnicities..though we are all American....celebrate their roots openly in parades in the Big Apple. Nobody ever links these displays of cultural pride as being racist.Nor do they consider cultural clubs, civic associations, etc created by hyphen-American groups to be racist.


The Black History Week, when it first started, was created because ANY reference to contributions by Black Americans to American history were omitted from history books and school curricula. If you are saying that the books should include the contributions of ALL Americans to our country and culture thereby rendering a Black History Month or any hyphen American month "obsolete"..I'd agree with you.Until that happens...BHM, Hispanic Heritage Month, etc....serve their purpose.

Again...very good point.I don't think that this case, of protesting against police brutality in general, qualifies as using racism as a crutch. I think that there are more effective ways of making change than holding up picket signs, but that's the method that those in MO. are choosing to use.

You are absolutely right about "racism" not ever going away.
You won't find many people willing to roll up their sleeves and ADDRESS internal problems and constructively tackle the external ones,including institutional racism. But holding up pickets and marching is easy.






I have to agree with this.In fact it would be hard for anybody to disagree with this.
I have to say that though, in certain East Coast cities,and several cities in NJ for sure....the white ethnics were pushed out of their former ethnic enclaves by large waves of Black and later Hispanic migrants from the early 1970s on.
I'm not sure as many of the last ones living in the older neighborhoods would have moved out and assimilated otherwise.

Blacks who don't want to do better would have to answer the question for themselves as for why. Very easy for me to think that under any circumstance that I still would have become the same person I am today but that's egotistical and mostly BS. True,I don't have the "follower's gene" which leads a lot of otherwise decent kids into trouble, but most decent people come from good stock. For example, we may disagree on issues here and there but you and I are able to communicate honestly without disrespecting each other. We respect ourselves & we are going to show that respect to others and expect it.Think we're both smart enough to know that the people who raised us (family,community,clergy)help instill some of these and other virtues into us.

Unfortunately, a lot of people are born and raised in situations where basic things like self respect and dignity are not seen or developed. It's most visible in poor people as it plays itself out in public ways, but lot of people were just not brought up the right way.Their decision making in life is a reflection of that.

no doubt.
Just an inconsistency.

My take on PB's question about white pride is this:

1) White pride tends to be associated with white supremacists. It was in the past and still is today.

2) The Irish and Italian and their parades and festivities, as well as for other groups, are almost always for national and/or ethnic pride as opposed to a racial one. However, for almost all of these nationalities and ethnicities they are white subgroups. Black Americans who are the descendents of slaves don't have those national ancestries. For the most part their ancestors came from what are now Nigeria, Liberia, Ivory Coast, Benin, Togo, Cameroon and Ghana, but very few know from where. They had their national identity taken from them and cannot celebrate in a Nigerian-American parade (if there are any) or the parade or festival for any other nation. So their identity is in a general African ancestry or identification by color of their skin.

3) White Americans as a whole did not experience the historic victimization that black Americans did. While there were some Irish slaves, for the most part they had indentures of seven years; black indentured servants became permanent indentured servants only because of the color of their skin. Most American slavery was color-based and was legally enforced until 1865. After that came Jim Crow laws that were dominant in the South, but discriminatory laws existed in other places like California too. The last Jim Crow laws were not done away with until the early 1970s. There were also anti-black race riots and lynchings that resulted in several thousand deaths, and time and time again the government failed to enact anti-lynching legislation (look at photos of lynching that are on the internet -- white parents took their children to watch people (even women and children) hanged and/or burned alive, some even had picnics while callously watching the lynchings. Then there were the slights, the rudeness, such as a full grown man being called "boy" or being unable to get a certain job because of skin color.

4) I'd say that assimilation will increase as older generations pass away and when the agitators stop agitating. But the history will always be there. Even today many white people think everything magically got better for black people when slavery ended, but they completely forget about Jim Crow and lynching.

View the "hateful things" at the Jim Crow Museum: http://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/traveling/grid/

View some lynching photos here: http://withoutsanctuary.org/main.html

And here: https://www.facebook.com/MuseunofLynching

This photo is especially disturbing with people smiling: http://schwitzsplinters.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-emotional-psychology-of-lynching.html

Or read about the 1951 Cicero (near Chicago) race riot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero_race_riot_of_1951

I'm very familiar with the Jim Crow laws, F1. As a little kid back in the '60s we'd visit my grandparents in the winter down in Florida (weird because I was just talking about those trips in another thread). Anyway, they lived up in Palm Beach County during the winter but my grandfather had a piece of a bar/restaurant down in Overtown where racism was still rampant and widely accepted among law enforcement and political types. I saw that stuff up close and personal as a little kid. Fucking horrible, only way to describe it.

great post faithful, historic pictures of evil.

thank you for posting them.

@F1,

I enjoyed your post..I won't quote it(no kindle), just a comment on them by number

1.agree....and I in countries where whites are not the majority, race might be a subject that they have to think about in ways that they don't in places where they are the majority.

2.Excellent post.

Speaking for myself as part of the African diaspora...I feel natural kinship with other Blacks who are from this hemisphere, we were just dropped off in different colonies.That's why ,though my family is not from here...You might read me write about something Black people did here in the 1800s and I will use the word "we".Others from Caribbean backgrounds distinctly distinguish themselves from Blacks from here, but that's not my take on it. Brazil,Jamaica,etc..It's all mine.Same root, different branches.


3. disagree. Though the experiences don't compare, all groups suffered abuse and discrimination. Pizza has brought up the relative ease that Irish immigrants had in assimilating here compared to Italians (language,etc)He didn't write that as an excuse but as an observation. So he's not implying that Blacks haven't suffered abuse and discrimination..think he was questioning why people aren't moving forward and it's a legitimate question.I mean if you fell off a moving boat....whether you could swim or not...you'd try to make it to shore. survival instincts would kick in. It defies nature to NOT try to swim to the shore.

4. Yeah, Even Isis doesn't have women and children in the audience while they kill people.Southern trees bear strange fruit.
And none of that imagery is or should be about "white guilt" but just part of American history. Definitely relevant to this thread because that was all happening in America to CITIZENS. Would surely explain the fear and mistrust of law enforcement that has existed for generations among Black folks...both prosperous and poor..

@gets - I'll just make a brief response to #3 since you agree on the rest.

Didn't say that other groups didn't experience abuse and discrimination, but nevertheless none compare to the black experience in America. The group that comes second are Native Americans then the Chinese. Much of the alleged discrimination against the Irish has been exaggerated, such as the "No Irish Need Apply" signs (recent investigations found that this sign was never actually used). There were a few lynchings against Italians in American history and there was some prejudice against southern Italians when they started arriving en mass starting in the 1890s, and some anti-Mexican lynchings and discrimination. Yet whatever discrimination there was against Irish, Italians, Germans and Japanese there was, they don't compare to black Americans, Native Americans and Chinese immigrants, and of those, black Americans received the worst treatment. That was my point.

And just as a response to the White European Americans (often third and fourth generation Americans) who say "We had it just as bad as the Blacks." Um, no, you didn't. Your people came here willingly, Blacks were dragged here in fucking chains. And like I said in parentheses, it's most galling coming from a Lily White suburbanite whose family has been here since 18 fucking 90. These people need to be shot .

F1,

Stating the history of this country regarding Blacks is one thing, but I think that listing these as excuses for where a lot of Black people are TODAY is inaccurate.

I think that more than anything external, our attitudes about education have done us the most damage.Immigrants, whether they be from foreign lands or from southern parts of this country, go places seeking work..any kind of work.Ideally, they are to encourage their children to do better, learn more, and go further than they did. There's a direct correlation between cultural/ethnic/national attitudes about education and the progress of any ethnic group in America....with a few exceptions of course.The Irish, famously and smartly, rose through entering and dominating civil service and politics.

Black people who have progressed here are going to be those from families that stress education and entrepreneurship.

After the "Great Migration" of Blacks from the South, and accompanying waves of Caribbean Blacks...plenty of Blacks did what they had to do to provide for their families and encouraged their kids to take advantage of education and professional opportunities. There WERE plenty who did NOT though and generation after generation...people content to be doing the same types of things.Nothing necessarily wrong with that....BUT....when a lot of the manufacturing jobs dried up , people who hadn't been encouraged to see value in education or owning businesses were stuck.

Without formal education, vocational training, a union to protect your interests, or a business of your own....worker in this country is stuck. Big business will just hire the new immigrants and pay them a fraction of a living wage for an American worker.

You would think that the children and grandchildren of the VERY migrants who were the "new immigrants" decades ago that big business exploited, would not put themselves in such situations, but I'm not sure that this part of history is known to them.

Anyway, that's my take...was gonna add it to the great migration thread but thought it fit here.

worst holiday of the year today. maybe worst day of the year.

You need to wake up and pull your head out of your ass. How many businesses were burned to the ground? Now two cops shot after all the information has come forth and we all know it was a good shooting. That's "terror in the streets." The governor is a weak liberal who has tied the hands of law enforcement in dealing with these lawless protesters and restoring law and order.



The problem is, many didn't do is peacefully and lawfully. And furthermore, they've continued to do it even after we all know the shooting of Brown was justified. It's one thing to complain and protest about a shooting that is proven to have been unjustified. But the results of the investigation weren't what these protesters wanted. They don't care about the facts. The facts are becoming less and less important to many in the black community whenever there is a an officer involved shooting of a black person. Too often now, the knee-jerk reaction is to immediately play the victim/race card and buy into the BS narrative guys like Sharpton, Holder, and Obama are selling. In all these recent shootings I have seen little to no acknowledgement from them that the criminal behavior of these guys is what led to their deaths.



That's just it, not all of us are pansy liberals who run everything we think or say through a PC-filter. Granted, there are a lot of those types on this site but I'm not one of them. Treyvon Martin was hardly innocent or some martyr. He wanted to play tough guy and he attacked Zimmerman for no good reason. It would have been so easy to just turn around and say, "Hey, can I help you with something?" A quick 30 second conversation would have likely sent Zimmerman on this way. But Martin reverted to his thug mentality and went on the attack and got killed in the process. The irony of it all is, the black community complained afterward about young black guys in hoodies being stereotyped. Nevermind the fact that Trevon's behavior was a classic example of what has led to that stereotype! But did we see any recognition or acknowledgement of this from them? Or from Obama? Nope. Apparently, that would be asking too much.

Ivy,

When you get more time..I'd like to read you address some of the points I've made in the last 2 posts to you. For all your talk about pansy liberals(implying that they think like you but are afraid to say it out loud)...I've seen you flat out ignore entire passages of my posts.
It's your right to do, but by NOT acknowledging these points and either conceding them or challenging them ..the dialogue is limited and you're repeating the same things post after post.

I'm glad you pointed that out, Gets. I was hoping you would. Liberals have been trying to ruin Columbus Day for years with their "Columbus was a terrorist" mantra. And maybe he was, who the Hell knows? But to certain Italian-American groups, well, we feel as though they're putting it on us today. Sound familiar?


You're right. But it HAS morphed into some Blacks celebrating the color of their skin rather than what their actual background is (be it Nigerian or other). Now if Whites followed suit (just say the Irish, Germans, Poles, Italians, et al.) and did likewise, and just lumped themselves all together to celebrate a White History Month, well, you can see where I'm going here.


I completely agree. I've seen firsthand the Whites who were "left behind" when their brethren, if you will, started assimilating into the suburbs. They often become bitter, racist, White Trash. What's funny is, while hating on Blacks, I've seen some of them get involved in relationships with them---think of Halle Berry and Billy Bob Thornton in "Monster's Ball, put them on vodka and crack cocaine, and relocate them to Fordham Road. Happens all the fucking time.

Like I said, if a shooting is proven to be unwarranted - which is what I assume you are referring to - then I have no problem with the black community being upset about that or the officer being charged.

But that's not what happened in Ferguson, now is it? A bad shooting somewhere else, or Holder's bogus report, doesn't justify the behavior of the protesters in Ferguson. It's that kind of victim/race-based thinking that I'm talking about.

Ivy,
I respect your opinion and anyone else's opinion as long as they respect themselves and give others respect also.

I think that people should always speak the truth as they see it. and I think it's unfair for you to assume that because you believe something, that others do also.
gonna reply to your post later when I have more time.

you are the one who needs to pull his head out of his ass. man, you sound like you are over the edge, do you know what you are saying?

man, you sound like a klansman.

I agree with you. Wasn't making excuses for bad behavior, but stating the history and while the past can't be changed it can be forgotten.

At any rate, there's a story about Southern California Edison (the major electric company here) forcing out workers and replacing them with immigrants who will work for lower wages. Who has been in support of these policies that allowed this to happen? Democrat politicians, RINO Republicans like Jeb Bush, big businesses, Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, etc. Who gets hurt? American workers. The same American worker who voted to put those politicians in office who support the policies that caused them to lose their jobs.

Pizza,

1.the Sopranos scene about this exact issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSlX36QP_po

...was filmed right in Newark Washington park. I passed by the statue all the time in high school going to the main library

I've got the impression, and surely I'm not qualified to confirm it, just as an outsider that complaining or being concerned with outside perceptions is not a top priority for Italian Americans. Assimilation and succeeding in America take precedence over those things.
When groups have stood up to other things smearing Italians or brought up past issues(Italian Americans in internment camps during WW2,mafia films, jersey shore, ethnic slurs in media) I never remember them getting much public support from American Italians.

It's not complaining, it's just calling for your group to be respected as other groups are respected. I think existing civic organizations should NOT take it & fight back and that the public needs to support the push back...and EDUCATE the public with your version of the story.

2. I think in countries where Whites are the minority, you might have instances of whites doing exactly that.

3. When groups of people are living together, eventually they are going to date each other,regardless of any racial rhetoric about hating this group or that group.One of the guys in the Bensonhurt group that attacked Yusef Hawkins, had a Black girlfriend.

agree on both counts

Powerful interests, in this case big business, spend money to help shape public perception about things. They have talk show hosts who are magically able to convince American workers that certain policies will benefit them..and that "the evil liberals" or "the corporate conservatives" are the enemy. We fall for this shell game time and time and time again. And they LAUGH at US.

If I convince you that this Bogey man is the enemy...I don't have to actually do ANYTHING for you...I can just keep pointing out the Bogey man.If you don't have lobby fighting for your interest...I can keep you dancing on a string like a puppet.

I think that Obama used this tactic in the Ferguson case.Black people are not doing well under his presidency and some of the comments issued and actions taken by the admin. over Ferguson read like CLASSIC shell game. A grand distraction. And we fell for it.He counted on one "side" of the issue reacting the way they did to the administration's comments and actions...and right on cue...there is the Bogeyman that he uses to manipulate the other "side" of the issue.

I came to get down/
I came to get down/

so get out your seats and Jump Around..jump jump.jump

I hated that episode, and it has nothing to do with the political aspect. Nothing at all. But I thought it was one of the slowest moving episodes--if not THE slowest--of the series. And it's weird because I've read reviews that were quite the contrary. But I still don't get it.


What is that, 1992?

Cheech was jumping around the bouncy house at the McDonalds on I95 in Branford .

This may be above, but I didn't see it. Just wanted to attach the full DOJ report on the Michael Brown incident:

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fil...ael_brown_1.pdf

Ironically, Officer Wilson could end up with the biggest civil rights claim of all in this thing.

I'm over the edge and a klansman because I want law and order and not lawless rioting, looting, and attacks on police officers? Because that's what we've gotten so far with your approach.

ok, your opinion.

Its not an opinion, its "taking your head outta your ass" and looking at the situation with even a little bit of common sense, although from reading your posts its painfully obvious that you dont have any.

I've only caught a few episodes here and there....mainly just to spot places that I know in the scenery..going to watch that episode soon though.


Yeah, I'm gonna assume that the "Jump Around" song has been replaced by the song that Scorcese made famous by using it in the Departed.
"Shipping Up to Boston" is the new anthem.There was a running joke that there are certain hip hop songs...as soon as you hear them in a club...etc....somebody was about to get robbed.
The Shipping Up song....I always feel that if you're at a pub..and that song starts playing and you are NOT Irish..time to leave..pay for your drinks and get out..something is about to happen.

Ivy I'd take you at your word and agree with some of the points you made but I think that you are guilty of the same thing you accuse the "Black people" of. Namely making up your mind before the facts are revealed and then holding on those views regardless of the facts.

"Thug who deserved to be shot down" is how you describe Mike Brown based on his actions...specifically robbery and assault in a store and assaulting and fighting with a police officer.

How would you characterize a man who was allegedly arrested in 2005 for "assault on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence" and who has been arrested twice in the past 3 years after domestic violence incidents?

The facts in both the Brown and Martin cases are now known.



Sounds like the same type of thug to me.

Get, you wrote,

"Namely making up your mind before the facts are revealed and then holding on those views regardless of the facts"

The problem I see is that some people never even bother to read the facts. Although it is made available to everyone to read they refuse to or don't have the interest or intellect to comprehend them. They instead have already made up their minds. This is largely due by the narrative push down on them by guys like Holder, Obama, Sharpton and Jackson and other race baiter.

As for your question,

"How would you characterize a man who was allegedly arrested in 2005 for "assault on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence" and who has been arrested twice in the past 3 years after domestic violence incidents?"

That answer is simple, what was the outcome of those arrest? Was he found guilty? If so, then he's a low life thug and a punk who beats on woman. Why that example Get?.

Fair enough point. OK. First let's remove Obama,Holder, and Sharpton from the equation for a second and get at the root.

Somebody with more knowledge can correct or clarify, but for example, the history, location, and perhaps isolation of Sicily influenced some of the general attitudes about outside authority.I've read that omerta was born out of this history.

Well, until roughly 1965..Blacks in this country really didn't have equal protection under the law. The lynching of American citizens and then their families having NO legal recourse, for example.Some famous cases of "Blacks being convicted of crimes that they were pardoned for years later(after death) Most of this is documented and surely you've seen images of cops roughing up Black women and kids during civil rights protests.Anyway, with very good reason there developed a fear of police officers and a mistrust of the legal system that developed in general among Black people in this country between 1865-1965.Between then and now some infamous cases of police brutality and cops not being indicted or not guilty verdicts. Rodney King verdict comes to mind. Oscar Grant was shot while lying on his stomach with arms behind back. Eric Garner and the non indictment ruling happened since the shooting of Mike Brown.
Those cases are significant to this discussion because all the facts came out....entire world saw video footage..legal process was completed and cops walked. (oscar grant case, cop did 2 years).
Black immigrants, who may not have had the same history and legacy here...saw the public cases of Abner Louima(Caribbean) and Amadou Diallo(African) and other cases and formulated their own views about police and legal system.

I wrote all that to say that any police protest is born out of the history of Black people's experience with law enforcement and legal system.
Any police protest is about more than just the person who was the latest person beaten or killed and, seeing how many of the past cases have turned out,people are wary of the legal system.I think the reluctance of the PD to release the police report of the incident had more to do with people thinking "here we go again" than what any public figure did or said.

Obama,Garder, and Sharpton aren't wizards or hypnotists.But in the polarized world of 2015..people automatically pick sides..."Cop is right I don't care what anybody says"vs "Cop was wrong I don't care what anybody says".Media exploits both sides for ratings.And predictably both sides ignore any facts that don't support their preconceived notions and jump up when they hear things that confirm their beliefs.

Rational people try to find facts underneath the noise and sensationalism. Most rational people can have civil discussions about even volatile topics. Media doesn't make money promoting civil rational discussions so you won't find any on tv/radio about Ferguson.


Police almost always have discretion to arrest a person using whatever guidelines they operate under and the seriousness of the crime. Each of the three times, cops opted to place the person under arrest.

-First charges are felonies, and charges were either dropped or reduced *
-Both domestic related charges where dropped once the victims either refused to cooperate or recanted the story

*His father was a Supreme Court magistrate in another state, so..?

The example being used is George Zimmerman. I used it because I wanted to clarify whether we were all basing our judgements of people on their ACTIONS or other things. The charges involving assault on police were known during the Trayvon Martin case. The arrests for domestic incidents happened afterwards.

Except what Zimmerman did before or after of is immaterial to the discussion here. We have to go by their sole actions on the night Zimmerman followed him and Treyvon attacked him and got shot.

Same about Michael Brown. He beat on a cop, refused to stop and then charged at the offficer. I am not mentioning the fact that he bullied, assaulted and stole from a local merchant before the confrontation with the cop.

I hate to be the one to tell you this young man, but your posts prove also that you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer, perhaps you should read more.