Trick question lol. Many theories have evolved since then. Movies, music, video games, bullying, etc. To date, there is no clear motive. Journals of the two (Harris more than Klebold) suggest bullying somewhat, but later investigation shows there was bullying at the school and from what I read it does sound like Harris was bullied, maybe Klebold, but Eric more so.
My theory, two angry and depressed teenagers who hated society and everyone in it. They no longer wanted to live but wanted to take some people they didn't like with them. They were also obsessed with terrorism, especially the Oklahoma City Bombing. So they wanted to "go out with a bang", no pun intended. I agree bullying had something to do with it, but it had to more thsn that. Later speculations say Eric was a psychopath and Klebold was manic depressive. I didn't know them so I can't say either way. But they were obviously not right.
So in short, two pissed off, mentally ill teens who wanted tp kill people they didn't like. They also felt they were "gods" of some sort. Plus, they wanted this to be remembered forever. So maybe they had some form of "short man" sy
Not just teenagers either. James Holmes, that Sandy Hook maniac (don't remember his name), that Arizona crazy fuck, and Cho from Virginia Tech. Not teens but young adults, yes.
Eh, not really. That came with the "they worshipped Marilyn Manson" thing. They figured out they either listened to Manson very little or not at all. They liked some more "gothic" type of bands. They weren't the kind that painted their nails black, wore white make up and eyeliner, and wore chains and shit.
As far as I know, they didn't have any "goth" friends either. They claimed to be outcasts, but they had more friends than they made people believe. Their friends may have been other outcasts too but friends none the less.
Not just teenagers either. James Holmes, that Sandy Hook maniac (don't remember his name), that Arizona crazy fuck, and Cho from Virginia Tech. Not teens but young adults, yes.
well, I know this. the kid in Colorado {the movie theatre} and the boy in newtown.{ the school} I can honestly say, those homicidal video games played a role in those killings. they were both video addicts. thinking life is a video game.
Well fellows its quite simple. The more guns that are "distributed" through out society, the greater the chance of a gun falling into the hands of someone irresponsible, demented, hateful, sadistic, mentally incompetent, vindictive, psychotic, revengeful, sadistic, suicidal.... and then we have Columbine, VA Tech, Sandy Hook, et al. I have four year old grandchildren. I can't imagine them having to face a psycho-nut who happen to find his father's stash of automatic weapons. I can't imagine my daughter - a teacher - having to "arm" herself in her classroom. There are too many guns in our society and they find there way into the hands of the wrong people.
Good for him lol. I'm no joe-schmoe on the subject though. I'm not one of those conspiracy nuts that think it was some sort of gov't conspiracy. ir that Eric and Dylan were heroes.
Good for him lol. I'm no joe-schmoe on the subject though. I'm not one of those conspiracy nuts that think it was some sort of gov't conspiracy. ir that Eric and Dylan were heroes.
We have a Joe-Schmoe here. Actually what happened to Joe, anyone know?
Can't argue with that, me asking what happened to a member i haven't seen in a while deserves a facepalm. You creating a thread about a 15 year old massacre that's been long put behind most people deserves this
If you think Harris and Klebold acted alone than you don't know anything about Columbine. There were at least seven people involved:
Lmao XD Another one of these guys. You see them all over Youtube and IMDb on the "Elephant" and "Bowling for Columbine" message boards.
Where's the proof? They have Harris' and Klebold's journals, plus "The Basement Tapes". Harris detailed the shit out of his plans, and so did Dylan to a lesser extent. They would've prosecuted more people. The only ones they did were a few of the people involved with getting them guns.
I could say that I saw Santa Claus on the Grassy Knoll aiming a gun at Kennedy's head does it make it true.
With two guys walking around a school (a BIG schoo) with guns, shooting all over the place, hootin' and hollerin'....while hundreds of other kids are screaming and running in a state of confusion....details are bound to be different.
40 witnesses who identified other participants BY NAME is proof.
Ok, let us pretend for a second that it was solid proof (which it isn't), you still didn't answer why no one else was convicted or even tried for it except for the few that were charged on getting the weapons.
Don't even try to say one of them was Joe Stair. He had a solid alibi.
"why no one else was convicted or even tried for it"
Because a trial would have revealed evidence of involvement by the covert operations branch of unnamed agencies of the US Government.
"Don't even try to say one of them was Joe Stair. He had a solid alibi."
Don't tell me. Tell the witnesses:
Leiha Murphy(3828 ) In the cafeteria, notices commotion outside north-west door. "I saw a guy I recognized as (Redacted). He was running... Stair had his blond hair down. It's past his shoulders. He's about 6', tall, skinny, he was wearing a long black trench coat.... I saw nothing in his hands. He was observed a short distance from whatever was going on at the door. My thought was that (Redacted) was involved if there was a fight." Stair named in the cafeteria map(see page 3830). Leiha also immediately picked him out of a photo lineup.
Christine Mikesell(5748 ) "Mrs. Mikesell said that after the shooting several students reported to her that they had seen Joe Stair in the building. She said that someone said that they had seen Stair in the science area or by the library."
Courtney Herivel(1927) While in the green room in the science hall, heard "Joe, I have 3 of them in here."
Dorian Salazar(EP21-224) "He did hear one suspect call the other one "Joe" ", while Dorian was hiding in a science classroom.
Pat McDuffee(10786) Says Stair was at school with a gun by the library outside by the stairs. Helped plan the attack.
Am i the only one who thinks some Columbine Massacre board has been shut down and they've took their arguments here . Anyway i put $.3 on my boy Joey who apparently knows everything about this
Lmao. Conspiracy theorists make me laugh. Except Joe had a solid alibi. and he was only questioned because he was friends with Dylan, he was the founding member of TCM, and he happened to be wearing a trenchcoat when the police saw him (with his mother to see his sister at the town library). No one else was mentioned to be involved (other than the people who got them the guns...who didn't know what Reb and Vod were gonna do...but were convicted) in their journals or anything else.
Why would the government want to kilk students at high school in Colorado. If they were involved, why didn't they teach them how to make sophisticated bombs or at least ones that work. 13 people was a drop in the bucket compared to what they wanted to do. What did they gain? It stopped violence in movies for like five minutes, video games are three times as violent as they were in '99, music is the same, anyone can still get a gun if they wanted to, and there is still bullying. Nothing changed except school security and the zero tolerance policy.
Also, I think Joe Stair would have told his sister (who was IN the library when the library massacre happened) to stay home if he had been a part of it.
If they were involved, why didn't they teach them how to make sophisticated bombs or at least ones that work.
Because they were after the guns. IEDs are already illegal.
Originally Posted By: Joey_Cusack
What did they gain?
What 911 was to the greater society, Columbine(and many other school shootings) was to the school kids. You've got an entire generation now who think it's entirely normal to have a policeman watch over them all the time. They now accept as normal searches, metal detectors, etc. Columbine was in essence a giant psy-op.
The parents of Eric Harris released his autopsy report, which revealed he was on Luvox, an SSRI drug, at the time of the shooting. It is unknown what the tox screen on Klebold showed.
However, the statements of the witnesses in the library, where most of the killing occurred, indicated the shooters were certainly under the influence of something:
Library witness Crystal Woodham "She said that they(the library shooters) sounded happy, not evil or mean."
Library witness Heidi Johnson "It was like they weren't even there. I saw their faces .... and their eyes were just kind of like, they weren't there, you know, these boys just didn't know what they were doing."
The parents of Eric Harris released his autopsy report, which revealed he was on Luvox, an SSRI drug, at the time of the shooting. It is unknown what the tox screen on Klebold showed.
However, the statements of the witnesses in the library, where most of the killing occurred, indicated the shooters were certainly under the influence of something:
Library witness Crystal Woodham "She said that they(the library shooters) sounded happy, not evil or mean."
Library witness Heidi Johnson "It was like they weren't even there. I saw their faces .... and their eyes were just kind of like, they weren't there, you know, these boys just didn't know what they were doing."
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^ That I agree. This poor, confused bastard has done his research.
I believe more school shootings will continue to happen as well as public shootings. The America of today is a mess and we can blame it on one of 100 reasons. But plain in simple the group of kids under millennials whatever their called never were probably in an arcade or had a bike w. training wheels they went straight to the RIP STICK ! No Pun intended. But we got a bunch of young punks and stupid blondes who don't supervise them instead take pictures of their breasts and how to enhance them for their new instagram photo
The parents of Eric Harris released his autopsy report, which revealed he was on Luvox, an SSRI drug, at the time of the shooting. It is unknown what the tox screen on Klebold showed.
Apparently, no one else on here is a Columbiner lol.
I've read a lot into it. I was in 7th grade when it happened and I still remember seeing the news reports.
The response then was the same as it is now. complete and utter stupidity, followed by blaming the easiest of targets. I still remember sitting there thinking how stupid the adults in the situation had to be to try to ban Marilyn Manson or video games. They refuse to accept the fact that there were two seriously mentally ill children that went unnoticed by their families and the community at large. we still refuse to except the fact that we have a serious problem with a culture of bullying
The zero tolerance policies that came after this have done nothing except empower bullies and get rid of common sense. they were a knee jerk reaction ushered in by parents who absolutely refused to accept the fact that their sweet little angel will brutalize and assault other students during the day at school. victims are not allowed to fight back without tarnishing themselves. combine that with a community that encourages bullying and hazing as a right of passage, a set of parents that either don't now or don't care, or are abusive, and the mental psyche of an adolescent. that is one giant molotov cocktail ready to explode.
Columbine was not some random freak occurance, and school shootings have not risen in frequency in recent times. in fact we've had school shootings basically for as long as we have had schools in this country. there wasn't some "golden age" in america where this stuff didn't happen, that's a complete fantasy. this isn't something that bringing jesus into school or saying the pledge of allegiance is going to fix. this is a long rooted illness in this country that nobody is willing to do anything meaningful to fix.
Apparently, no one else on here is a Columbiner lol.
I've read a lot into it. I was in 7th grade when it happened and I still remember seeing the news reports.
The response then was the same as it is now. complete and utter stupidity, followed by blaming the easiest of targets. I still remember sitting there thinking how stupid the adults in the situation had to be to try to ban Marilyn Manson or video games. They refuse to accept the fact that there were two seriously mentally ill children that went unnoticed by their families and the community at large. we still refuse to except the fact that we have a serious problem with a culture of bullying
The zero tolerance policies that came after this have done nothing except empower bullies and get rid of common sense. they were a knee jerk reaction ushered in by parents who absolutely refused to accept the fact that their sweet little angel will brutalize and assault other students during the day at school. victims are not allowed to fight back without tarnishing themselves. combine that with a community that encourages bullying and hazing as a right of passage, a set of parents that either don't now or don't care, or are abusive, and the mental psyche of an adolescent. that is one giant molotov cocktail ready to explode.
Columbine was not some random freak occurance, and school shootings have not risen in frequency in recent times. in fact we've had school shootings basically for as long as we have had schools in this country. there wasn't some "golden age" in america where this stuff didn't happen, that's a complete fantasy. this isn't something that bringing jesus into school or saying the pledge of allegiance is going to fix. this is a long rooted illness in this country that nobody is willing to do anything meaningful to fix.
Very nicely said! Wow, most intelligent response I've ever got from anyone on the topic.
joey, what about that kid that gunned down 32 kids in the elementary school, the one that killed his mother, are you going to get into that one at all? I will never understand that kids reasons.
do you have anything to say about that kid, do you see some of the same mental attitude with him compared to the columbine shooters?
I don't know much about the Sandy Hook Massacre.. I read that that kid did have some sort of mental problem, like Asperger's or some sort of autism or something like that.
I also read that he was also obsessed with Columbine. I'm no expert on that subject though.
joey, what about that kid that gunned down 32 kids in the elementary school, the one that killed his mother, are you going to get into that one at all? I will never understand that kids reasons.
do you have anything to say about that kid, do you see some of the same mental attitude with him compared to the columbine shooters?
Binnie, I know you are a big reader so here are two reports that I found about Sandy Hook. They are long but, well worth the read.
"The Connecticut’s Office of the Child Advocate (OCA) released a 114-page report that examined the two decades of Adam Lanza’s life that preceded the December 14 shootings. The authors, mental health and education professionals and members of the OCA, drew on medical, mental health and school records along with interviews and law enforcement documents to track Lanza’s educational, developmental and mental health profile and assess his condition leading up to the shootings"
bean, yes, it was a long read. im not quite sure what to make of it all, he had problems, that were not addressed by the school district, at one point my attention was drawn to the matter of his on-line activity with others discussing murdering people, also the book he had written about the " granny"
seems like another red flag. I was struck that the entire killings, took only 11 minutes. also the computer taken from adam lanzas home remains unreadable. no one has divulged what it contained. the reports are very through, and detailed, I will be reading them for a few days.
thank you very much for the links you have given me. I very much appreciate it.
You're welcome Binnie, I know how much you enjoy reading. These reports are quite disturbing. This kid had some serious issues. You're right about the computer. I am sure it contains some real crazy shit. I wonder if the police were ever able to retrive any of its contents. The 2nd anniversary of this tragic event is this weekend. I will be keeping the innocent children and teachers that were so tragically taken away from their loved ones in my thoughts and prayers and also pray for those who were a witness to this horrific event. RIP
yes, its so sad the little kids had christmas presents under the tree for them, I pray that the parents will accept that their kids are with the lord jesus christ right now.
what have you found joey that the murderers have in common, maybe something that can give us a clue as to what to look for to identify serial or mass murderers.
As I stated before, I have not much looked into Sandy Hook other than what television and Wikipedia have said.
I've always thought that Eric and Dylan kind of have "paved the way" for these people that go on shooting sprees. They weren't the first no, but probably the first VERY publicized case, considering with television and the internet boom at the time. And because they had it all planned out. Almost nothing they had planned worked but it wasn't just a spur of the moment thing. They had this idea for more than a year. From the little I read about the Sandy Hook kid, it sounds like his was more of a spur of the moment type thing. He may have wanted to do it for a long time but I don't think he had it planned out necessarily . Then you have someone like that Virginia Tech kid who took it to a whole new level.....
It's all really a "toss up" as far as similarities go. I think any mass murder is going.to have similarities. Like Eric and Dylan were obsessed with Oklahoma City. You could find similarities in Charles Witman's case and that James Holmes guy. Or the Bath School Massacre and the Unabomber if you looked hard enough.
moe,i read your post, and link of school shootings,and I had no idea, that they went back as far as they do. and I was totally shocked as to how many there were, your link was a real eye opener. they don't quit happening.
I know, Binnie. A lot of people think it started with Columbine but it's been happening consistently since the 80's. Not many black perpetrators. Perhaps inner city school shootings that involved gang members are thought of as gang shootings more than school shootings?
I know, Binnie. A lot of people think it started with Columbine but it's been happening consistently since the 80's. Not many black perpetrators. Perhaps inner city school shootings that involved gang members are thought of as gang shootings more than school shootings?
yes, moe you are quite right in your assessment of black school shootings, I wasn't aware of that, but, it is a fact.no black kid has wiped out a school, like newtown, or columbine.
[quote=Moe_Tilden]I know, Binnie. A lot of people think it started with Columbine but it's been happening consistently since the 80's. Not many black perpetrators. Perhaps inner city school shootings that involved gang members are thought of as gang shootings more than school shootings?
I would guess that inner-city school shootings happen pretty often...No research to back that up but it's just a guess. When gang related violence is in involved or when you get out into the inner city schools, I'd imagine that shootings like that happen where only one or a couple people is targeted.... I would guess these don't get much publicity because ...to be frank...it happens often... Again, no research on my part so I could be wrong but it's just my thought.
