Obama Care becoming real

http://news.msn.com/us/obamas-health-law-finally-gets-real-for-america

Thoughts everyone? Personally I was not one of the people all gung ho for this law, but I wasn't ready to throw it under the bus until we saw the effects it had on people. I still have mixed feelings about it.

A friend of mine told me that a fellow writer for his magazine who is a RVN veteran has come down with cancer and was being treated. He was happy with his insurance company, but now got "The letter" cancelling his coverage. His new coverage would cost him almost $1,000 per month (X 12)which he cannot afford. He has now signed up for VA benefits but it is uncertain what he can get there. In the meantime he cannot get the PET scans that he needs. We also have now learned that Obama repeatedly lied to us saying we could keep our doctor or Insurance company. Millions of Americans are losing their insurance. I am predicting a revolt in America. People are fed up.

Bend over- here it comes

Yep it will be ugly and I blame every fool that voted this moron in. They will make sure every high risk patient doesn't make it into the system because they are a "burden to the system".

TOP TEN INDICATORS THAT YOUR EMPLOYER HAS CHANGED TO the new Affordable HEALTH CARE PLAN:

(10) Your annual breast exam is done at Hooters.

(9) Directions to your doctor's office include "Take a left after you enter the trailer park."

(8) The tongue depressors taste faintly of Fudge-sicles.

(7) The only proctologist in the plan is "Gus" from Roto-Rooter.

(6) The only item listed under Preventative Care Coverage is "an apple a day."

(5) Your primary care physician is wearing the pants you gave to Goodwill last month.

(4) "The patient is responsible for 200% of out-of-network charges," is not a typographical error.

(3) The only expense covered 100% is…."Embalming."

(2) Your Prozac comes in different colors with little M's on them.

AND THE NUMBER ONE SIGN YOU'VE JOINED OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE PLAN:

(1) You ask for Viagra, and they give you a Popsicle stick and duct tape

people voted for obama because the republican party left them no choice

I still believe Romney was the better choice, he just didn't sell it right.

As for the first time around yes, Obama was the obvious choice because McCain chose an idiot for a running mate

The rollout is a disaster, and Obama lying about people keeping their coverage and then lying about the lie is a disgrace. Still I think they will get the bugs out of it and it will work. Aside from the manifest incompetence of Sibelius and Obama with this rollout, never forget that the morons in the Republican party are doing everything they can to sabotage this law .

While I believe it's important to help insure as many Americans as possible, this whole thing is making me dislike Obama more. He promised that no one would lose their coverage as a result of this law and it was a fucking lie. He knows it too.

I'm not ready to write off ACA yet, but Obama should reconsider vetoing GOP legislation that allows companies to sell individual coverage to anyone who wants it even if it doesn't meet Obamacare standards. That would ease the amount of people losing coverage because of this.

When interviewed about the Affordable Health Care Act, Don Vito Corleone stated: "How did things ever get so far? I don't know. It was so -- unfortunate -- so unnecessary."

Dont look now, but it is starting to work

DT all due respect but you gotta take off the blinders here. People can't access the damn website! Millions have lost coverage because of this disaster of a law. Did Obama even care enough to make sure the fuckin thing worked?! This was supposed to be his signature piece of legislation, one that didnt garner a single senate republican vote. This only further proves to me Barack Obama can't walk to talk

he can kill all of foreign enemies and halfway restore relationships with other nations

the republicans probably sabotaged the computer system

they try to sabotage or block everything else that he tries

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Seriously. What in the hell is wrong with you? I've literally had more engaging conversations with a plant. If I were to take your head and a balloon and drop it off a building your empty cranium would rise faster.

My message to you: if you don't have something intelligent to say DON'T SAY IT ALL

Today I just heard another disturbing report. A doctor who analyzed the law said that there is a list of drugs which obama care will cover. HE said that if you are a person with serious medical problems or needs requiring certain drugs which aren't on obama's list you will have to pay for them out of your pocket and that payment will not count as part of your co pay or deductible and it could cost tens of thousands of dollars a year. Myself, I need a drug for my heart as well as diabetes drugs. What will one do ??? just die? This stuff i s turning into a nightmare all just so they can give free medical care to those without it.

I love these vague stories the right keeps putting out. ottom line is the program w
has some kinks, but overall it is here, it is not going anywhere, and it is going to work.

The right has opposed minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid and now the ACA. They need to get over themselves and get on the right side of history.

You're all nuts. Only time will tell. But even if you don't like the system (and I personally don't like it), you should be rooting for it to succeed because it's not going anywhere. Because when you hate a President to the point where you hope he fails, as an American who do you think you're spiting?

Just yourself, your family, your friends and your neighbors .

the whole goddamn republican party hopes that he fails

they don't even care if it affects the people who voted them into office

a large number of people who vote republicans are on public assistance

Oh really cookcounty, would you mind showing us your info and research youve gathered together to make this well informed statement??

most people who vote republican are some of the poorest people in the country

the exact people that the republican party turns their noses up at

im still waiting for your stats to back up your statements that the majority of republicans are poor and on public assistance, but i wont hold my breath

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i said the most of the people who VOTE VOTE republican are on public assistance

that might be an exaggeration but alot of people in red states get public aid

And again, how would you know this? All you do on here spiel nonsense with no element of truth to it

if social security and medicare count as public assistance, that statistic may well be accurate. But who cares? The wingholes on these boards don't care about the truth anyway. They are too busy with Jesus and Santa being blond haired blue eyed white people.

Not sure what you're getting at here

I thought there was some kind of dispute about whether more white people are on public assistance than non-whites, and I was just asking if Social Security and Medicare count as assistance, cause if they do, my guess is that statistic is correct. The Jesus and Santa stuff was just a gid at Fox "news."

Why argue the stats in the first place, but why speculate? Here's a short narrative from a July rendering of food stamp recipients demographics:

"Beyond politics, equally large or larger gaps emerge in the participation rates of many core social and demographic groups. For example, women were about twice as likely as men (23% vs. 12%) to have received food stamps at some point in their lives. Blacks are about twice as likely as whites to have used this benefit during their lives (31% vs. 15%). Among Hispanics, about 22% say they have collected food stamps."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...amp-recipients/

Well anyone living in the North Pole isn't going to have much of a tan

But I've done a little research about this. Asians followed closely by whites are the most successful ethnic groups in this country, third are Hispanics and I think that number will rise in the coming years and fourth are blacks. Obviously there are more ways than one to measure success, but I think the stats were based on overall income.

In any case many people receive Social Security and Medicare that's not uncommon. I thought Soc. Security checks came after you retired. But there's a BIG problem right now in that more people are taking from social security than paying into it. The boomers (that's you) will be retiring soon and you guys are much larger than Gen. X or my own generation so we're basically screwed there unless something drastic is done.

I realize welfare, food stamps, etc exist to help those in need. But all too often people use them for the wrong purpose, OR they can live off welfare and foot stamps better than they can actually working. Why make 20K a year flipping burgers at McDonalds when you can earn 30K in Welfare checks?

And speaking of McDonalds, their workers are on strike and want a pay rise. Well excuse me, if you're working at a fast food joint you don't deserve a fuckin pay rise. What are you contributing to society other than serving a bunch of lards more fat to their evergrowing thighs? Those kinds of jobs exist for one purpose: to give you the motivation to GET OUT of them. No one wants to do that or work any kind of food service industry job for the rest of their lives. Believe me I would know. So you do what you can to leave that shit behind

This is what bothers me about America. We feel this sense of entitlement about everything. Well excuse me, life isn't fair, it's never been fair, so shut up about it. In the business world no one hands you anything on a silver platter. Should people have easy ACCESS to health care? Yes. Should welfare be used to help those who need it? Absolutely. Should it just be given to them? No it should not. If you give a poor family, uneducated at best free health care, do you think they're going to know how to use it properly? Not a chance in hell. If someone can live better of welfare than they can working at Burger King will they take that job? Again not a chance in hell.

Obamacare stinks because the bill was pushed through without ONE Republican Senate vote, no one bothered to read it or question it, and it was flawed without anyone trying to fix the holes. Now the website doesn't work, costs are up, people are losing coverage when Obama said they wouldn't, and more ignorant people are going to receive something they don't understand how to utilize.

Shmoe I respectfully disagree with some of your points.

1. Fast food workers deserve a liging wage. Agreed all they do is serve shitty food to people stupid enough to eat it, but we can't do a "Bloomberg" and tell people what they can't eat. Besides these fast food chains are making a fortune in profits, and to pay their workers a living wage like maybe 10 or 11 dollars an hour isn't going to hurt them. And if the price of a Big Mac goes up a nickle, big deal. Personaly I never eat that crap anyway, but I believe in Henry Ford's concept that he wanted to build a car his employees could afford. That was the Model T and thats one of the great ideas that got this country where it is.

2. The Social Security thing is blown way out of proportion. There is enough money in it until something like 2040 and by then there will be a fix. By then the boomers will be mostly dead, and the retirement age will be 75 or higher. I am 66 and get 2300 a month. Think I can live on that? Hell no. I have to work into my 70's.

3. "Sense of Entitlement." I think this is overblown as well. Most people don't feel "enetiled" to anything. Personally I believe everyone in a society as righ as this is "entitled" to food, shelter and health care..even if it is minimal. It is just a matter of decency. I know there are many people always looking for a "free lunch," and in my profession I constantly hear people griing about how someone or other violated "my rights." I always get a kick out of asking them what they think their "rights" are, and once they are done with some crazy talk, I tell them they have the right to free speech, to free religion, to freely assemble, rtc...basically whats in the Bill of Rights, and nothing more, and then I send them on their way.

so the regional general managers of fast food joints don't deserve a raise?

most rich elitist republicans were handed their wealth on a silver platter

how many of them actually really earned their money?

Shouldn't you be away getting the stats to back up your earlier statements that Dellacroce asked for?

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shouldn't you be ironing your skirt i mean kilt

My kilt is always ironed! Also i don't own one and have only worn one twice in my life, but it's always ironed! Way to move the goalposts though Cook. Now tell us that most Scottish people hate Norwegians without anything to back it up, and i promise you'll be taken as serious as you always have.

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and you'll be taken as seriously as a man in a dress

Why don't you just fucking stop?

The kid asks you to back up your stats and all you can think to do is insult his background?

Thanks PB, it's clearly a lost cause with cook for someone who has claimed racism at everyone who has disagreed with a black man he's incredibly quick to use Scottish stereotypes. Anyway he's right, i'm just going to take my ginger haired, sheep loving, alcoholic, ass downstairs to iron my skirt.

@pizzaboy

joeschmo already conceded to dontamasso so there really ain't a need to do so


@camarel

i ain't say all that shit........just the quip about the skirt

Where did Joe concede to "a majority number of people who vote republicans are on public assistance" ? Sorry but i'm editing your edit because you originally said Majority. The difference between you and DT is whether you agree with him or not he always makes sense and has an informed opinion. How many will say the same for you?

And cook you know damn well you werent talking social security and medicare when you said public assistance, which were the only things DT mentioned in regards to your comments, and i dont see schmo "conceding" to anything about that.

I agree, cookcounty, you really have to stop this flaming shit. There's no call for it and it won't be tolerated.

Wow someone clearly has the IQ of a napkin. Cook do yourself a favor, please get informed about the things you say. How many times have the posters here poked holes in your arguments? Do you just ignore that fact? Almost nothing you say makes sense not to mention you have the nerve to insult Camarel, an upstanding man on this forum. That's all I gotta say to you. All I would ask is just THINK before you say something.

You make some good points DT, some of which aren't bad ideas. I will counter with some thoughts of my own.

Firstly, with your reasoning I'm not opposed to raising of the minimum wage, in fact I think it should be raised. However employees at fast food restaurants shouldn't earn too much. If that were to happen it would be the same situation that we have with welfare, people can live off it better rather than trying to climb the ladder. I think a good compromise would be for to raise wages, but still have it be a shitty enough pay so that it motivates the people working those jobs to strive for more.

Secondly I didn't realize you were that old DT but in all seriousness you're only year off the average retirement age of 67. In fact the first year your generation starts is 1946. People born that year JUST turned 67. Maybe for now there's enough money but I guarantee you with the advances in modern medicine people are going to be living longer than they are now. Look at the ones before you aka the Greatest Generation. They're old as hell but plenty are still alive. In fact about 1.5 million WW2 vets are still kicking. That's about one eighth of those who served. Think about that. I'm willing to wager you Boomers will live longer.

The problem is my generation and the Xers. There's not enough of us to support you. Not to mention the debt we're going to have climb out of is enormous. The way I see it we have two options: either raise the retirement age or scale back benefits. It's quite conceivable we might have to do both, despite the fact I'm not crazy about the idea. I am a person in favor of restructuring social programs not getting rid of them. I hope you know that DT.

Thirdly I agree basic things like food, water, shelter, and health care should be accessible. To be given out entirely is another matter. It is a matter of decency, but I would not just hand people less fortunate a house and government checks. Otherwise where's the drive to work or do better? In Detroit when they announced they had 30,000 available housing units "first come first serve" the public housing department was fuckin mobbed by three times that number of people. That's a problem.

Detroit I would personally burn to the ground and rebuild from scratch that city is so bad. They're bankrupt, the auto industry can't support half as many workers as they used to, and drugs, murder and crime flood the streets. But that's another matter.

I'm glad to here you acknowledge there are people who are looking for that "free lunch". Those are the people we need to look out for. Economically I tend to lean conservative, but I also consider myself a pragmatist. Whatever's needed and whatever can solve our nation's problems I'm open to. Problem is those lunatics in Congress can never seem to agree on that

I'm still relieved I can actually have a conversation with someone who might think differently on the political spectrum unlike our dear friend from "cookcounty"

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i think everybody knows conservative is code word for racist

Aint dat da tropf!! nucka please

In the words of Archie bunker "will you stifle yourself?"

How ignorant can you get? Since when does being conservative mean you're a racist?

The ACA is a complete trainwreck and should be scrapped in favor of something better. And this time have the politicians actually read it before they pass it isn't that a wild concept


Obama purposely lied to the american people about them being able to keep their current coverage and doctor even though he knew it wasn't true since July of 2010. Reason he lied is he and the rest of the democrats knew if the american people actually knew the details the 2010 midterm elections would not have been in their favor.


Then there is the website issues numerous IT experts have advised people to avoid the website due to the very real possibility their personal information could be at risk. Plus on some occasions the insurance companies will have no idea who actually purchased a plan.


Plus Schmo cookcounty is right conservative is codeword for racist, well at least for now since we have an african american president. The one big argument the left always seems to make is if you don't like obama or his policies you are a racist I should know as my cousin has called me a racist on more than one occasion

@joeschmo



you're a fan of murderous mobsters, you're a fan of murderous george zimmerman's

so what are you really conservative about?

First of all, way to make yourself look even more stupid than you already have. Secondly I do not root for mobsters nor condone what they do unlike yourself who seems to want to put the outfit on a pedestal despite the fact Italian gangsters hate blacks with a passion. So who's the idiot here? I am merely interested in the subject like many others here.

Thirdly, if you ever bothered to read my previous opinions on George Zimmerman you would know I believe he's an asshole and in no way shape or form a role model or cop. What I do believe is that the trayvon Martin case was a bullshit media circus fest with little or no evidence to support Zimmerman did anything wrong other than defend himself. Did martin deserve to die? Absolutely not. Do I think Zimmerman is a murderer? No and he was rightfully acquitted.

I tend to lean more conservative when it comes to economic policy but I'm very liberal when it comes to social issues. So I guess I'm in an interesting position politically.

Hope that clears that up for you. If you try hard enough it might prevent you from making more bonehead statements in the future.

you wrote half a page of a novel and still ain't said a goddamn thing

you're not conservative

just a codeword using racist still stuck in the 1800s

On the contrary I said many things, you see I unlike you can articulate and make sense with my words.

Everything with you is in one ear and out the other. Did I not just explain quite clearly my position on the Martin case? Didn't sound racist to me.

Is that what you do when you don't understand something? You just accuse the person of racism like the ignorant fool you are?

All right, guys: how about keeping to the topic here, and taking this endless circle private...

It is not a trainwreck. It will work with some tweaking. Is there any "conservative" who has a better idea? If so show us the plan. By September 2014 there will be a lot of right wingers eating crow. I GUARANTEE IT.

Well I'll hold you to those words DT. It will become a lot more effective with A LOT of tweaking. But that's only if Obama and the democrats allow it, so effectively it's up to them. By the same token the republicans aren't united enough nor have the efficiency to create an alternate plan. It's not that I don't want it to work it's that I have my doubts

It would be beneficial if Board members would familiarize themselves with the critical path that proposed legislation follows through the US House and Senate. Start with Congressional staff members and then move on to Standing Committees, particularly Markup.

All I know is that my premium now went up $80.00 per month

Other than coverage for pre existing conditions and no lifetime cap did you get any other benefits?

well, at my age, I am nothing but a walking pile of pre-existing conditions. I had my coverage from my former employer and it had been in force for over 25 years. I have not as yet received an policy amendments or endorsements granting enhanced coverage. I am assuming the LAW is granting that. I am also guessing that pre-existing conditions coverage will backfire and result in major expenses causing the underwriters to look into rate hikes down the road. Hope I am wrong