We have not heard the last of Zimmerman.

It is too big for our leaders to ignore. Even though the jury found him not guilty it is not over. The family of the 17 year old will file a civil suit against him and they will find him guilty in civil court. NAACP is also talking to the FBI about Civil Rights charges against the coward.

http://globalgrind.com/news/naacp-urges-...mmerman-details

The man is innocent, just as OJ was innocent

The feds will never win a civil rights case against him. The incident took place in a gated community on PRIVATE property. For a civil rights violation to have occurred, it would have had to have happened on PUBLIC property. Check the statute and you'll see what I mean.

As far as the family suing him, I doubt the guy has any assets. How many wannabe security guards do you know who have any money?

And Florida is the BEST possible place to be to protect your assets. It's next to impossible to lose your home in a lawsuit. Why do you think OJ Simpson moved to Florida after he lost in court to the Goldmans?

Hi PB, Trayvon's family may consider filing a civil suit against Zimmerman. In that type of trial, they need only to prove that it is more likely than not that Zimmerman was negligent and such negligence caused Trayvon's death. In a criminal trial you must PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT - a civil suit is much easier to prove. We shall see.

Big Boy, I totally agree.

You are incorrect. He's "not guilty" as opposed to being innocent. There is a significant legal distinction.

Of course him being found Not Guilty has riteously posses the NAACP off beyond belief. Having that said, a Civil Suit will definitely be filed by the family which I honestly don't see panning out but Civil Rights were definitely violated and that will be a Supreme Court Case and he will most definitely lose that. But he won't get any prison time for it and ultimately the NAACP and everyone else will still be pissed and we won't ever hear the end of this shit.

You're also a moron. Under Florida Law (again something you know nothing about because you don't care about the law, you have a target), he is immune to civil suits as part of the Stand Your Ground Law that was passed several years ago. The jury found for self-defense. William A. Jacobson, the Law Professor at Cornell, wrote about this at length.

Go back to High School to learn the ABCs of law again. A Florida Statute governs civil liability in self defense cases (AND IT IS NOT NEGLIGENCE):

See Fla. Stat. 776.032

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

Additionally the loser of such a suit would:

"(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection"

I think to invoke this immunity they have to do a "Stand Your Ground" hearing. If not, a civil suit could be brought under a theory of negligence and not as an intentional act. Of course on the "stand your ground" issue there would be a constitutional challenge. Unless a bunch of plaintiff's lawyers want to do years of work and never get paid, a civil suit is probably a fool's errand. Zimmm doesnt have any money and even if he does a book deal he can distribute the money through a corporation to a trust of some kind.

Hey little nicky, I think u should go back to school in general.

Is that the best you got? Nothing of substance to say in response to the fact that you are clearly wrong along with being completely ignorant of the law? Ignorance of the law is fine all and all- but don't post topics about things you haven't a clue on the actual process.

Another breath of fresh air. This guy, who's black, was on the Michael Medved show today.



Jason Riley: Race, Politics and the Zimmerman Trial
The left wants to blame black criminality on racial animus and 'the system,' but blacks have long been part of running that system.
Wall Street Journal
July 15, 2013


George Zimmerman's acquittal of murder charges in a Florida court has been followed by predictable calls for America to have a "national conversation" about this or that aspect of the case. President Obama wants to talk about gun control. Civil-rights leaders want to talk about racial profiling. Others want to discuss how the American criminal justice system supposedly targets black men.

All of which is fine. Just don't expect these conversations to be especially illuminating or honest. Liberals in general, and the black left in particular, like the idea of talking about racial problems, but in practice they typically ignore the most relevant aspects of any such discussion.

Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.

"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."

The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.

The jury's only job in the Zimmerman trial was to determine whether the defendant broke the law when he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year in a gated community near Orlando, Fla. In cases of self-defense, it doesn't matter who initiated the confrontation; whether Mr. Zimmerman singled out Martin because he was a black youngster in a neighborhood where there had been a series of burglaries by black youngsters; or whether Mr. Zimmerman disregarded what the police dispatcher told him before he got out of his car. Nor does it matter that Martin was unarmed and minding his own business when Mr. Zimmerman approached.

All that really mattered in that courtroom is whether Mr. Zimmerman reasonably believed that his life was in danger when he pulled the trigger. Critics of the verdict might not like the statutes that allowed for this outcome, but the proper response would not have been for the jury to ignore them and convict.

Did the perception of black criminality play a role in Martin's death? We may never know for certain, but we do know that those negative perceptions of young black men are rooted in hard data on who commits crimes. We also know that young black men will not change how they are perceived until they change how they behave.

The homicide rate claiming black victims today is seven times that of whites, and the George Zimmermans of the world are not the reason. Some 90% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks.

So let's have our discussions, even if the only one that really needs to occur is within the black community. Civil-rights leaders today choose to keep the focus on white racism instead of personal responsibility, but their predecessors knew better.

"Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We've got to face that. And we've got to do something about our moral standards," Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told a congregation in 1961. "We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can't keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323394504578608182550247030.html

Quote:



Blacks benefit from Florida ‘Stand Your Ground’ law at disproportionate rate

African Americans benefit from Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law at a rate far out of proportion to their presence in the state’s population, despite an assertion by Attorney General Eric Holder that repealing “Stand Your Ground” would help African Americans.

Black Floridians have made about a third of the state’s total “Stand Your Ground” claims in homicide cases, a rate nearly double the black percentage of Florida’s population. The majority of those claims have been successful, a success rate that exceeds that for Florida whites.

Nonetheless, prominent African Americans including Holder and “Ebony and Ivory” singer Stevie Wonder, who has vowed not to perform in the Sunshine State until the law is revoked, have made “Stand Your Ground” a central part of the Trayvon Martin controversy.

Holder, who was pressured by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and other progressive groups to open a civil rights case against acquitted neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in the 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin, criticized Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law in a speech Tuesday before the NAACP.

The law was not invoked by Zimmerman’s defense team but was included in instructions to the jury.

“We must confront the underlying attitudes, the mistaken beliefs and the unfortunate stereotypes that serve too often as the basis for police action and private judgments. Separate and apart from the case that has drawn the nation’s attention, it’s time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhood,” Holder said to applause in his speech before the NAACP Tuesday.

“These laws try to fix something that was never broken. There has always been a legal defense for using deadly force if — and the ‘if’ is important — if no safe retreat is available. But we must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the common-sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely. By allowing and perhaps encouraging violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety,” Holder said.

“The list of resulting tragedies is long and, unfortunately, has victimized too many who are innocent. It is our collective obligation; we must stand OUR ground to ensure — (cheers, applause, music) — we must stand our ground to ensure that our laws reduce violence, and take a hard look at laws that contribute to more violence than they prevent,” Holder said.

But approximately one third of Florida “Stand Your Ground” claims in fatal cases have been made by black defendants, and they have used the defense successfully 55 percent of the time, at the same rate as the population at large and at a higher rate than white defendants, according to a Daily Caller analysis of a database maintained by the Tampa Bay Times. Additionally, the majority of victims in Florida “Stand Your Ground” cases have been white.

African Americans used “Stand Your Ground” defenses at nearly twice the rate of their presence in the Florida population, which was listed at 16.6 percent in 2012.

FS, these stats are meaningless. It is a dumb law regardless of who has benefitted.

Thank -you sir for your opinion. We have noted it and it will be sent along for their consideration.

Zimmerman acted recklessly and irresponsibly. Florida permitted him to own and carry a gun. But it did not give him a license to be a vigilante, or law enforcement training and the judgment that goes with it. Had he abided by the HOA's rule not to be armed while on patrol, and stayed in his car as the police dispatcher advised, Martin would be alive, Zimmerman would not have been charged, and America would have been spared more racial strife.

When I earned my CCW (Carry Concealed Weapon) permit, the instructor time and again emphasized responsibilities over rights, and when not to shoot over when to shoot. He said that 85% of shooting situations were morally and legally ambiguous, notwithstanding Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine. All of the responsible gun owners I know condemn Zimmerman.

TB,
Your opinion is just that yours. and like most around town it doesn't hit the mark as they say when you read it over.

Even the Judge would not let the words Vigilante be used in statements. Having a gun and carrying a gun had nothing to do with anything as you should know as a ccw permit owner. I said this many times in the past. Zimmerman did not have his gun out and no matter how many think that's way, he was not out there gun in hand hunting down Martin! It never came out until the altercation.
Twisting his move to enter the field of Law enforcement against him to sound like he was playing rent a cop is absurd. Zimmerman did noting but observe Martin because he felt that he was out of place in HIS gated tract. He never approached him, yelled at him or spoke to him in stopping Martin in any way.
Why don't people understand that?

Martin could have just kept on going and nothing would have happen that night! Just so, many people want to blame Zimmerman for not listen to dispatch. Not a crime but it maybe it would have had things pass with out a conflict some would say. So who started the attack? Come on we all know it was Martin so why come up with so much hype to push it toward Zimerman?

So my friend, please tell me what Zimmerman did wrong that we all have learned in taking our CCW classes? His pistol never came out until he felt his life was in danger.....so what the beef with all your friends? All of the responsible gun owners I know condemn Zimmerman.? Why.
Even police didn't just grab him up, you know why BECAUSE it was an OK shooting by the laws standards!

Hell man, no one wants to say it was good to have someone lose their life. It is a sad day when ever that happens.

Lets turn things around. What would you have done if you were attacked and was carrying>... Should everyone have waited until he was stabbed before reacting? When a person comes up to you and say You are going to die tonight...what is going on in your head?

and why would you have a ccw and be carrying if you would not use it to protect your life in such an attack?

First of all let's stop calling people names, like moron. It is especially inappropriate when you are the one, who is misinformed on the law.

A.)Zimmerman is not immune from a civil suit in Florida on the basis of the "Stand Your Ground" law. This law was not applicable to Zimmerman in the criminal trial and his attorneys did not pursue it or ask for a pre-trial or in camera proceeding to avoid culpability on these grounds. His defense was that he was immediately attacked, and so he defended on the basis of self-defense, an affirmative defense apart from stand your ground.

B.) The jury's verdict of not guilty is not binding on a civil jury in wrongful death. The jury found that there was insufficient to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. A much different standard is used in a civil proceeding. A jury may weigh the recklessness and lack of judgment by Zimmerman, which turnbull pointed out, and may determine that Zimmerman bears civil responsibility.

Oh yes, one more thing. It would be hard to retreat when you are on your back having your head banged up and down.
Here in New York we are to retreat if we can before taking a life.

I don't want to take this into a pro and anti gun issue which some seem to blame.

Under this accountthat is why the Stand Your Ground law didn't apply to the Zimmerman case.

As I've said before, the Stand Your Ground law is bad policy as it promotes violence and confrontation. Self-defense has always existed as a defense for those whose lives or the lives of others are at risk. But it's better policy to avoid potentially violent confrontations than encourage them, and that is why the biggest opponents to stand your ground are police departments and district attorney offices.

so much sense, logic and reason in such an economically brief paragraph. well done.

By the way, that Rachel girl who was the trial's first witness was interviewed recently and stated that she thought that Martin threw the first punch.

Klydon1, You are correct:

A Civil Trial only requires a "Preponderance of Evidence" to win.
In a Criminal Trial, the person has to be found "Guilty Beyond a Reasonable Doubt".

However, in a Civil Trial, what good will it do if Zimmerman loses? How are they going to collect from Zimmerman? What are they going to collect? His underwear?
Winning a civil suit AND COLLECTING on a Civil Suit are two entirely different things, my friend.

We need more self-defense laws, not less.

Maybe Zimm gets a book deal and they tap into that.

Kly or DT,


Couldn't the parents file a civil suit for the mere purpose of holding the GZ responsible? Does it have to be for large sum of money? Isn't it a matter of principle? If an amount must be set go real low, if even $20 a month for life. Can they do that?



TIS

hmm, this seems to go against the "evil, oppressive white man" theory...

In the aftermath of the acquittal of George Zimmerman, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton and Ben Jealous of the NAACP are calling on the black community to rise up in national protest.

Yet they know — and Barack Obama, whose silence speaks volumes, knows — nothing is going to happen.

"Stand-Your-Ground" laws in Florida and other states are not going to be repealed. George Zimmerman is not going to be prosecuted for a federal "hate crime" in the death of Trayvon Martin.

The result of all this ginned-up rage that has produced vandalism and violence is simply going to be an ever-deepening racial divide.

Consider the matter of crime and fear of crime.

From listening to cable channels and hearing Holder, Sharpton, Jealous and others, one would think the great threat to black children today emanates from white vigilantes and white cops.

Hence, every black father must have a "conversation" with his son, warning him not to resist or run if pulled over or hassled by a cop.

Make the wrong move, son, and you may be dead is the implication.

But is this the reality in Black America?

When Holder delivered his 2009 "nation-of-cowards" speech blaming racism for racial separation, Manhattan Institute's Heather Mac Donald suggested that our attorney general study his crime statistics.

In New York from January to June 2008, 83 percent of all gun assailants were black, according to witnesses and victims, though blacks were only 24 percent of the population. Blacks and Hispanics together accounted for 98 percent of all gun assailants. Forty-nine of every 50 muggings and murders in the Big Apple were the work of black or Hispanic criminals.

New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly confirms Mac Donald's facts. Blacks and Hispanics commit 96 percent of all crimes in the city, he says, but only 85 percent of the stop-and-frisks are of blacks and Hispanics.

And these may involve the kind of pat-downs all of us have had at the airport.

Is stop-and-frisk the work of racist cops in New York, where the crime rate has been driven down to levels unseen in decades?

According to Kelly, a majority of his police force, which he has been able to cut from 41,000 officers to 35,000, is now made up of minorities.

But blacks are also, per capita, the principal victims of crime. Would black fathers prefer their sons to grow up in Chicago, rather than low-crime New York City, with its stop-and-frisk policy?

Fernando Mateo, head of the New York taxicab union, urges his drivers to profile blacks and Hispanics for their own safety: "The God's honest truth is that 99 percent of the people that are robbing, stealing, killing these drivers are blacks and Hispanics."

Mateo is what The New York Times would describe as "a black Hispanic" Yet he may be closer to the 'hood than Holder, who says he was stopped by police when running to a movie — in Georgetown.

Which raises a relevant question. Georgetown is an elitist enclave of a national capital that has been ruled by black mayors for half a century. It's never had a white mayor.

Is Holder saying we've got racist cops in the district where Obama carried 86 percent of the white vote and 97 percent of the black vote? And his son should fear the white cops in Washington, D.C.?

What about interracial crime, white-on-black attacks and the reverse?

After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."

Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

If interracial crime is the ugliest manifestation of racism, what does this tell us about where racism really resides — in America?

And if the FBI stats for 2007 represent an average year since the Tawana Brawley rape-hoax of 1987, over one-third of a million white women have been sexually assaulted by black males since 1987 — with no visible protest from the civil rights leadership.

Today, 73 percent of all black kids are born out of wedlock. Growing up, these kids drop out, use drugs, are unemployed, commit crimes and are incarcerated at many times the rate of Asians and whites — or Hispanics, who are taking the jobs that used to go to young black Americans.

Are white vigilantes or white cops really Black America's problem?

Obama seems not to think so. The Rev. Sharpton notwithstanding, he is touting Ray Kelly as a possible chief of homeland security.

http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-070000529.html

Sometimes civil suits are brought for reasons unrelated to collecting monetary damages. Even if Zimmerman doesn't earn much, a judgment against him will be a tight leash on him for the rest of his life, adversely affect his ability to apply for credit and conduct business. There would be added attention to his family finances and taxes that will be a huge inconvenience. Also, with a judgment against you, which you can not pay, your ability to seek employment is hurt.

Some people file suits for the judgment, as opposed to the reward. I've filed suits for people, who have not paid my wife in her business, knowing that we wouldn't likely see a dime. But we filed as it may discourage others from withholding payment, and it would make life inconvenient for the individuals, who refused to pay a just debt.

You know FIVE, your just wasting your time. These People don't care about anything. They have a mind that is in spin cycle mode and could care less about real facts or reasons.

In fact that is the reason that the facts and figures are the way they are. They don't give a shit either! Plain and simple it is all about what they want and how they feel. Right or wrong they do what they want and believe what they want. Facts don't mean anything to them. We will just blame someone else for EVERYTHING!

It is the blind being whip up. A nation beging held hostage by a select group and their simple minded followers. Lets cause unrest, let boycott, lets hit back and put a $$ figure on Zimmerman. WE didn't get what we want and we don't care what anyone tells us we have been wronged!

You know every parent wants to think that their lost should have some sort of meaning. and I am sure that is the way Martins parents feels also. Who could blame them.

But people will only take so much of this unrest and hurting other people who had nothing to do in this and then the shit will really hit the fan.

Exactly Kly. Sometimes an attempt at a successful civil suit is to obtain assuagement of feelings or for vindication. Yes, if successful, it can do financial harm. However, one thing that I don't think most Board members are aware of is that once obtained, the success of a civil judgement resulting in any kind of recovery rests pretty much with the plaintiff. I know that the Brown's have chased OJ all over the country to obtain their money.

and some people just want to keep pushing and pushing until they get what they want.

Any money made off of this kind of thing is blood money as far as I'm concern....and we all know what happen to people who take blood money don't you...BAD THINGS.

Zimmerman is gonna sign a movie deal and play himself in the movie

he's gonna be saving little kids instead of molesting them

trayvon martin is gonna be foaming at the mouth while he circles zimmermans car

He lives in Florida. He can assign things to a relative. The most a person can collect is 25% of a judgement. Getting employment has nothing to do with having a Civil judgement against you. At the right time he can declare Chapter 7 Bankruptcy and have the judgement dismissed. Should I continue?

Good luck in obtaining a civil judgement from a guy who was found not guilty because of SELF DEFENSE.

GOOD LUCK IN COLLECTING.

...he'll launch his own website and sell his own brand of hot sauce, signature coffee mugs, t-shirts...

he's gonna have his and hers matching hoodies

the hoodies are gonna have "good thing I didn't shoot a dog" written on the front

George Zimmerman badges, flashlights, binoculars, pepper spray and batons

he should sell his gun on ebay for 200k.....it'll sell

Good point...

In my opinion Zimmerman did not need to confront the kid as the kid was NOT in the act of breaking into HIS home. IF Zimmerman caught the guy in his home I feel he had every right to shoot him in the balls or in the ass if he started to run away. (that is assuming he had a legally registered gun and completed all the necessary courses.) the fact the Martin kid had marijuana in his system doesn't necessarily sit right with me as it sounds like his parents needed to spend more time communicating/disciplining their child. As far as Obama's statement on it could have been me 38 years ago... is he admitting to cutting class and smoking weed at 17 years old? or is he just trying to get more of the black community and women's votes by playing the sympathy card??

Remember, Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch captain, so he was doing his job for making sure that Trayvon wasn't breaking into anyone's home.

Does the neighborhood give him his own white sheet or does he have to supply his own?

Trayvon thought he saw a white sheet so that's why he attacked Zimmerman. Obviously the entire jury of people also thought the same thing.
Only the Black Paranoid Racists see a white sheet where one doesn't exist. Plus that, I don't remember there being any Hispanics in the KKK.

well, considering that they don't exactly welcome hispanics into the kkk, i'm a bit confused.

Exaggerating much?

where does all this come from?
EVEYONE KNOWS that Zimmerman is Jewish and shops at MACY'S and he only buys 1000/1200 thread count sheets and always in dark greens.

Lol. Too bad a lot of Black people running their racist paranoid mouths on television don't have a better sense of humor like you.
If the security guard was Black and the kid was white and the exact same thing happened and a jury found the Black security Guard innocent because it was self defense, do you think there would be a bunch of Racist white cry babies shouting about it?
Answer: Very few.

The Black people in this Country are generally more Racist than the white people. You should hear all these Black Leaders talking on television. Unbelieveable.

Where is your sheet?



Make sure you don't leave the house without it next time!

LOL.

Don't worry it is just some peoples way to take pot shots on others without adding anything to the subject. Which is OK in many ways.

At least he isn't throwing out statements that are made up, in some weird way to try to make this poor young black childs death blamed on some monster of a madman with a gun hunting down our children while they are out buying candy!



I was listening to the radio while drivng and a person called in to ask- Had the break-ins in that compound where Zimmerman lived stopped after all this has happen? Before the host could say a thing.. a voice came over the calls phone and you could hear it--NO! Zimmerman got HIM in the background as clear as day.

You can't fix stupid...

what would you call a gun toting child molester?

i'm sorry that trayvon only had candy on him but he wasn't a crook

How do you know that he wasn't a crook?

He had photos of Women's jewelry on his cell phone that they couldn't bring up during the trial.
Where did he get all the Jewelry?

Zimmerman a child molester? You mean like your 'Boy' Micheal Jackson?

Chicago. I think what Cook county is trying to say is that Traevon was on the path to being an adult who would have contributed in only positive ways to society. A Dr, a Lawyer, A dentist; mabye even the president. A criminal? Nah. Alot of future presidents have a twitter handle called "name no_limit_nigga". Alot of quality productive members of society burglarize homes, drink lean, get suspended from school multiple times, assault school employees, and have multiple tatoos as a means to show their gang connections.

Yes, all marks of a future productive member of society.

So lets all march for Traevon, after all, its not like a thousand Traevons get killed at the hands of other Traevons every month in great cities like Detroit Chicago and New York.

Yes, lets make this an issue NOW because a half mexican guy did it this time.

Obama is getting outted by his own people. Yes sir reeeee He didn't speak up quick enough in surport of blacks and our now famous Traevon.
and then he use sappy story about how young black men including himsef have had car door locks closed as he came by.
Oh how bad...Hey Buddy why don't you think of why people had done that. Why?....lets not make excuses the truth is that people are afraid because of things that have happen to give them this fear.

Young Black men have done so much crime that people have the right to be fearful. 25% do 80% of the crimes in New York alone. What does that tell you.

Dam people stop making excuse for your own people.

You have to inject race into everything! even this Zimmerman-Martin case. POOR Us, oh Poor us excuse after excuse.

And Obama didn't serve his own people all thru this and now he had to come out because the Black Community was outting him out for not keeping the black code of solidarity!
35 years ago that could have been me he says! Well if you were doing wrong it may just have been you Barry! We don't care if your black, white, pink or green...if your doing wrong we want you taken away and put away so the rest of us can live a safe life.

Maybe that is why we move from the bad areas and shop in better areas leaving the places for those who cause these problem in those areas. So many great places are driven down by crime and when people leave what is just left? You have driven out the very people who paid to keep these areas alive.
Pay taxes, shopped and keep the homes up and the local economy alive.
People have stolen from the stores, mugged older people and stolen everything that they can. and if they couldn't steal it they defaced it. WHY because the white man was unfair to us.. like a spoiled childed who didn't get an allowence or a free life.

Why didn't the black community police their own instead of turning away and not helping keep their community alive and safe for its own people? Why didn't they lead and make a stand to protect what they have instead of crying foul.

Do you see how many people of so called "color" have moved up and have a great life because they have made something of themself in so many places, not just sports or music. But when did you every see them speak up against what is happening with the young black men and the way they are tearing things down. All you see is that it is someone elses fault.

Damn- why not put the blame on where it should be! WITH THE PEOPLE DOING THE CRIMES! giving your race a bad image.
So Barry that just may be why people lock there doors because of what they have learned by watching these events time and time again.

I am not afraid to tell you what the truth is. Are you all ready to step up and take charge of your own or are you going back to make the same old excuses of what/who is keeping you down!

Look in the mirror that who may just be you and yours as they say!

go ahead let the "yeah but" excuses start, never admit that any of this is true, just deflect it all like awlays!

I think it's about time you take your racist diatribes elsewhere. Don't bother arguing this with your usual weak innuendos... it's an argument you ain't gonna win. Guaranteed.

You're more than welcome to continue posting in other forums.

Yes sir, I will do just that- You are the Boss here.

Maybe to be fair ...you should call NBC and tell them that the meet the press pannel is also racists (even thought they were Black) pointing these Exact facts and points out to other pannel members!
But please remember this. Things will never change in this world if people are afraid to speak up no matter how painful the truth may be.

Thanks- I will leave your thread as requested.
But don't paint us as racists.

LOL!!

gotta agree with you there

LOLLLLL!!!! Come on Caramel I know you know at least one of two or 20 black guys love to play the "your parents are probably racist" card to the young white girls then try and get a diamond gril of the poor broad...

From what I read somewhere Trayvon's girlfriend was younger than him too... the molester comments are irrelevant to this topic..u guys just sound like inmates throwing out accusations left and right now...

LMAO!!! nice

I agree Wayne but getting out of the car after the police told him not to.. a bit too far..

tell that to little nicky, the guy who thinks he knows the law but hasn't got a clue. he's definitely little.

@paprincess


Zimmerman raping his cousin is relevant because it shows he's sick minded

if he'd rape his own little cousin then he'd shoot a stranger for no reason


@Chicago

Michael Jackson is burning in hell right about now

Zimmerman is going to hell whenever he dies

evil people go to hell so YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED with all the hate in your heart

just a little fyi, nothing in the post that you quoted has anything to do with the law, more along the lines of decision making, big difference.


christ, the police didn't tell him to do anything. the non-emergency dispatcher recommended a course of action for liability purposes, totally different. this is a prime example of how the media manipulates people. "he didn't listen to the police, he's guilty" is the line of reasoning used by people who are unable to grasp the important details.

Cook County, You're the one full of hatred. Listen to yourself.

Zimmerman is a molester. (Unproven)

Zimmerman will burn in hell. (Oh, so you are now God!)

The threatening remarks you made during the trial to people.

(No, YOU are the one full of hate)

Look in the mirror. YOU are a Racist.

Good point Stern, EXCEPT, a jury acquitted him. SO, what other points did you have to make?
Right, none.
Acquittal, got it?

Cook County.
He got acquitted. Do you understand what an acquittal is? I am sure around your way you don't usually hear words that long.
Let me explain....
A jury found unanimously that his killing of Traevon "no_limit_nigga" Martin was justifiable.

Zimmerman is home now. Unlike your uncle, maybe father, brother, half brother, other half brother, cousin on your mothers side, cousin on your maybe fathers side, cousin on your other maybe fathers side.
They all aint never coming home because killing someone because they stepped on your nikes is not justifiable, whereas, killing someone when they are smashing your head into the ground is justifiable.

End of lesson for the day.

an unsubstantiated claim made by an unnamed witness with extremely suspicious timing. these facts have already been presented to the person in question, but ignorance is bliss. our justice system was put into place to protect us from people with his views. expect to be called sick in the head though. after all, at this point what else is there?

Look we all know that you cannot generalize black people into criminals and thugs because that's wrong. But when 25% of the population is committing 80% of the crime, that IS a problem. It's a problem when some punk gets killed by another punk, but because the punk that lived is half white we cry bloody murder. Not to mention NBC put their usual liberal slander on it and now are being sued. But I think around 500 people were killed in Chicago last year in gang wars. Where are the banners and protests for those people? Black people in this country can complain all they want (not all of them are but you get the picture) but they need to address issues in their own community first. And these are issues NOT caused by the white man. Since when are no fathers, drug arrests, assaults, sagging pants, gun violence, and improper English the big bad white mans fault? And I know for a fact Bill Cosby agrees with me on this look it up

And again, I know not all blacks are like this. I have black friends, people i respect are black, my ups man was the absolute nicest man you could meet. But the problems faced in their communities today must be dealt with. And they have no one but themselves to blame

Nice play SC, now we have moderators that BULLY people because of their opinions and comments- Very nice. What a class act.
You can always tell a lot about a mans character by how he uses and abuses any power that they are given.

Talk about "whatever" here - but please keep it respectable! If you don't like certain topics or particular members, please ignore them.

Maybe you should follow your own rules there big Guy and maybe your clapping friend there also.

I don't care for the way you post snide remarks about sheets in this discussion, was that the best you could contribute to this thread?

BUT yet you have the balls to try and paint someone as a racist. because you can't comment on legitimate points. The same points that are being made on a national talk show this morning.

I give him more credit for his respectful response to you, even when you were the one who wasn't being fair. MY thoughts were a lot more angry to tell the truth.

He isn't afraid to step up and tell it like it is, even if he as to do it alone. But it sounds like some can't seem to handle that.

And let me be the first to correct you about this young man character. He deals with minority families with understanding and compassion. so much that the local clergy send their congregation members who ask for him personally.

So some of you should read what the rule above says and remember it is good advice for EVERYONE.

My PM is open for any and all.

JoeSchmo123,
The Blacks constitute about 12.5% of the population. It's half of what you said. 1/8, NOT 1/4.

That actually strengthens your argument even more. I'm always here to help. LOL.

I was talking about NYC but yeah that pretty much makes it worse haha

If you don't like it get off the boards and take your son with ya. These boards are not being operated as a platform for some hate-filled agendas. You can find other boards on the net for sharing your racist views.

Cami, I long suspected you didn't like me and that's all fine and good (not that I care) but to think you believe I bully people here because I have different political views is a surprise from even you.

The word racist has been used more than once, and by more than one member. When you hear the word smoke over and over, you can guarantee there is fire.

SC has always been fair, and that's one of the reasons that so many of us have been members for so long.

However using the word racist over and over again can mean that the proper definition of the word is not being used and some are being painted as such when they are not

Great way to put it SB. In fairness perhaps to some, I suppose it's possible that some don't realize that they come across as racist and may not mean to???

I'll add too that SC has always been fair IMHO and both he & Geoff as far as I'm concerned pretty much let people say what they want here but when a line is crossed they will intervene. (thankfully)


TIS

We will hear from Zimmerman again. Same as O.J. Simpson. He has a past of stalking women (one got an injunction) and now like Simpson, he thinks he can get away with murder. I give him five years before hedoes something else and goes to prison.

"Where there is smoke, there is a smoke machine"

"Racist" is something to cry when people have no valid points to make. And what s it with people calling Zimmerman a pedophile? A woman claiming to be his cousin said when they were 6 and 8 years old he touched her. He was 8 years old, a pedophile is an adult who molests a child, not little children who experiments.

You calling him a rapist is offensive, inflammatory, and a lie if you know it ain't so. He never raped anyone, why make that up?

@Chicago

you're full of shit

someone who experienced a death in the family should be a little more sympathetic

Zimmerman's little cousin said he molested her and I doubt she's lying


@joeschmo

500 people didn't die last year in Chicago because of gang wars


@Vinnietoothpick

do you know what an acquittal means?

Zimmerman got off scot-free and you're still spewing angry rants

Then what did they die of?

lightning strikes, bee stings, and trying to make sense of his logic!

Drowned.

Or maybe they were never there to begin with....

George zimmerman killed them

Wow you can make a racist statement, but let someone with an opposite view of yours and you pull the mod card. I wonder how upset many on this board would be if Zimmerman was jewish.

Didnt Zimmerman just save someone today?

ya theres a whole other thread about it

Still learning this forum stuff. New to me only been on a week. Its great though

Interesting article. Maybe it'll change people's views.
http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/

The very people on this forum who need to read that article have absolutely no desire to do so, as it will destroy the preconceived notions they've had since the whole thing started.

Why are the libs not commenting on this article?

I took that thing. It was a damn good survey and it was factual as well, no bullshit. Good find Nicky

The libs wont comment on this because they know deep down, they dont want a thug like traevon anywhere near their neighborhood, or their families.

Trayvon is in the same street gang as Cook County because they wear the same color Nike's.

I like the "accidental" (clearly) edited audio. Your clearly a racist though

Great article Nicky.

I've never seen this photo



Or this text message

MARTIN: Cause man dat nigga snitched on me
FRIEND: Bae y you always fightinqq man, you got suspended?
MARTIN: Naw we thumped afta skool in a duckd off spot
FRIEND: Ohh, Well Damee
MARTIN: I lost da 1st round but won da 2nd nd 3rd ...
FRIEND: Ohhh So It Wass 3 Rounds? Damn well at least yu wonn lol but yuu needa stop fighting bae Forreal
MARTIN: Nay im not done with fool... he gone hav 2 see me again
FRIEND: Nooo... Stop, yuu waint gonn bee satisified till yuh suspended again, huh?
MARTIN: Naw but he aint breed nuff 4 me, only his nose

Or this -


3 weeks before the incident, Zimmerman spotted a young black man looking into the windows of a neighbor's house. He called the police and said "I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally." By the time the police finally arrived, the man was gone.

Zimmerman's black neighbor was quoted as saying "Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK? There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood. That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."


41. Two weeks after the last burglary, Zimmerman saw Travyon Martin walking through the gated community. Zimmerman has said that he didn't recongnize Martin as a resident (Martin was visiting from out of town). Zimmerman then called the police saying:

"Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy [near] Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's walking around, looking about...He was just staring...He's just walking around the area looking at all the houses...Something's wrong with him."

Did you ever see or hear this part of Zimmerman's phone call in which he describes being suspicious of Martin because of his behavior?

Were you aware of the fact that Zimmerman passed a police Voice Stress Analysis (lie detector) test the day after the incident?

(During the test Zimmerman was asked, "Did you confront the guy you shot?", to which Zimmerman answered, "No." He was also asked, "Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy?", to which Zimmerman answered, "Yes." The examiner concluded that Zimmerman "told substantially the complete truth" in the examination, and Zimmerman was classified as "No Deception Indicated (NDI)")

do some of you realize that zimmerman was found not guilty and is a free man?

do some of you realize that trayvon martin is a dead teenager?

some of yall are STILL UPSET even after zimmermans acquittal

Your the only one who bases his opinions on emotional reactions.

Cook County, You're the only one upset. Why would anybody else be upset? The trial's over and the guy was acquitted and that's it. There's nothing more to talk about. It's all over but the shouting by you and some other people.

Why aren't you upset about all the THOUSANDS of poor innocent Black people who are killed every year by other Blacks over what color bandana they're wearing or because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Why are you not upset over it? Don't you care? Why aren't you complaining about it?

Why are you ONLY upset and mad and arguing with about 7 different people on these threads about ONE GUY getting killed by someone trying to defend himself?

Even if you don't believe Zimmerman was trying to defend himself, why are you not upset about the thousands of Black people who are killed every year by other Black people for no fucking reason??

When you come up with the answer to that very logical question, please let everyone know. Until then, what ever you say is racial bullshit which means nothing.

who said that i'm not upset about the current conditions in the black community?

read the demented sounding comments in this thread

only an idiot or a lying mothafucka would say that i'm spewing racist gospel

The vast majority of which are coming from you, wishing someones kids dead,saying that zimmerman saving people from that car crash was staged,etc.

O'Reilly hits a home run here by presenting the hard truth, even though some may not want to hear it.

Bill O Reilly thank you so much for that message. He is absolutely right. I don't agree with him on everything. But he hit this right on the head. Cheers bill

No wonder that city is in the crapper. You'd think they'd have bigger issues to worry about right now.


Detroit council supports calls for federal investigation of possible civil rights charges against George Zimmerman

http://www.freep.com/article/20130723/NEWS01/307230095/Detroit-City-Council-NAACP-George-Zimmerman

It's more politically correct to talk about Zimmerman than to really help people in need.
Ivy, what's wrong with you? Don't you know by now that political correctness will ALWAYS be the FIRST priority in this Country.
Nobody really cares about helping Detroit.
No, let's talk about the Zimmerman Trial which is already over so we don't have to face the real issues.
No, let's be 'Politically Correct' so we can feel good about it and be popular.

I can't find a study which calculates how much just one month off a prison sentence costs at the margin, but presumably there is some discount at the margin in cases of multi-decade sentences or else what are we even paying lawyers for?

In other words, poor people can't buy down the length of their sentences, so they are statistically more likely to still be serving their prison sentence on that day when the statisticians show up with their pencils and stuff. https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/(X(1...ookieSupport=1

And poor people are statistically more likely to be Black than rich people are.

In addition to the historical socioeconomic factors that Billshit O'Reilly fails to point out, out of the entire black population in America about .001% were convicted of a murder last year. So to generalize an entire group over 1/1000 of a percent seems a bit of racial bias and/or ignorance.

Check the incarceration rates and it's 14 million Whites and 2.6 million African Americans who report using an illicit drug (5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans) yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites. African Americans serve virtually as much time in prison for a drug offense (58.7 months) as whites do for a violent offense (61.7 months).

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And does anyone else see the irony that some of the same members who come to this site to discuss and pay idolatry to Italian criminals are the first to chastise black criminals as a systemic plague on society? (Just curious here, not judging.)

As someone else pointed out, the Apalachian region (which is almost 100% white) is one of the poorest in the country, with high levels of alcoholism and drug addiction, and yet the murder and violent crime rate there is only half the national average. So to simply revert back to the typical excuse about blacks being more likely to be poor isn't going to entirely cut it.



He wasn't making generalizations about the the entire black population. He was showing the relative comparison between murders committed by blacks and those committed by whites and Hispanics.



So, what's the point here? That if blacks and whites were dealt with exactly the same by the legal system, all the problems in the black community would be solved? Your response basically makes O'Reilly's point. Your knee-jerk reaction is to start with the typical talking points of the "race hustlers" and "grievance industry" where the underlying premise is that blacks aren't responsible for anything until all inequity and prejudice is gone. In short, instead of even acknowledging the valid points he makes, you just go on the defensive, conveniently misinterpret what he says, and attempt to find somewhere else to put the blame.

Hey Nitti,
Your Crime statistics are way off and you made up those numbers yourself.
40% of all people in jail are Black and they constitute 13% of the population.

Blacks and other minorities commit the vast majority of all crimes in Cities.

Who the fuck do you think you're kidding coming on here with statistics you made up yourself?
75% of all murders in Chicago are Black on Black.
The Black People's biggest enemies ARE OTHER BLACK PEOPLE not Whitey!

Bill O'Reilly IS A LOT smarter than you or me and I would believe him over you or some other asshole making up numbers anyday of the week. Even educated Black leaders who don't have an inferiority complex agree with Bill O'Reilly.

The reason why black people are convicted so often on drug offenses is that they are usually selling them to whites who use them. Look at all the rock bands who used H and Coke over the years and never got prison time. It's the people who SELL who get sent to prison as they should. Drugs ruin areas like Detroit and Camden. Frank, don't race hustle it's part of the problem not the solution. Don't blame others for the issues black communities have.

I believe there is hope if the right steps are taken. Thing is they won't with guys like Jackson and Sharpton who piss and moan

If we're talking about the system as a whole there are thousands of more poor Black communities whose people can't buy down the length of their sentences, and that is a huge mitigating factor when assuming Blacks commit more crimes and spend more time in prison. You yourself work in the system so more than anyone here should be able to attest to this fact.

Okay, but that seems to be the justification for why it was okay for Zimmerman to follow and profile Trayvon Martin--because the black pariahs are all out there waiting to murder and mug you. For the record, I *do* think Martin was up to no good that night and I *don't* think Zimmerman was acting maliciously. But what gave him the right to decide Martin was a "suspect" that needed following?

I'm wary of law enforcement firing on "suspects" and now some state laws basically allow for any weirdo with a conceal-carry to do it? That's messed up, man. People like Zimmerman should not be granted any authority whatsoever to decide who is and who is not a suspect that should be pursued based on bland general statistics. Because when wannabes start taking the law into their own hands with the false bravado of packed heat, then stupid stuff like this happens.

That it atleast attests to the fact there is some racial bias in the system (some of it's unfounded, some of it's not) but again, if we're going to start throwing out statistics about what group is/isn't commiting crimes there's a whole sleuth of societal factors that have to be considered.

Uh, speak for yourself. What specific numbers am I making up? They're sad, but true. Obviously you can't handle the truth. I'm sure you'll use your supreme vernacular and linguistic skills to counter.

I think it's pretty debatable to assume users should get less time than dealers. And do you really think a white dealer will serve as much time as a black dealer? Or that a black homeless guy won't get picked up by the cops quicker than a white one? It's a fact that blacks are more likely to receive incarceration for the same crimes committed by whites.

My opinion, you break the law, regardless of color you do time. There's gray area at time, but for the black community to come back, there needs to be a no tolerance rule when it comes to hard drugs and dealing them, assaults and murder. And for God's sake get rid of the fucking garbage coming out of rapper's mouths that influences these kids. Get them a father not a wannabe gangster talking out of his ass

But why the hell do you think that is? Because they are more likely to COMMIT A CRIME. No one should profile, but that is the stereotype the black community has given themselves. It's not an excuse, so no one should get their panties in a bunch about bias in the system since there's not enough of it to affect outcomes completely. Fact is, blacks commit most of the crime in this country and that needs to change

Nitti,
Prove that 5 times as many White people use illicit drugs over Blacks. Prove it. You made up that ratio yourself.

Secondly, even if it were true (WHICH IT ISN'T) There are 5 TIMES as many White people in America as Black people. The Blacks constitute 13% of the total population and the Whites (Non Hispanic) constitute 65%. Look it up yourself on the U.S. Census Statistics.

That's a no-no. Disagree with someone all you want but no name calling.

Chicago white Hispanics together with whites are about 73 percent of the population

I just read it. It said 78% including Hispanics.

But you know what, for arguements sake, You can say the Whites out number the Blacks 5 to 1.
Whites DO NOT USE drugs 5 to 1 over Blacks.
Nitti made up that statistic.
Tell him to PROVE it. He cannot.

it's more teenage heroin addicts in white neighborhoods than black

not too mention all the drugs that get used in meth country

meths a major problem, anyone see the post i put up yesterday about all the meth labs in places like tenesee and kentucky, its pretty sad because of all the kids that get caught in the middle getting hurt and killed. http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=729194#Post729194

Heroin abuse in the suburbs has surpassed that of inner cities in many places.
heroin use amongst suburban teens skyrockets
http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/

zimmerman is going to rot in hell just like that juror said.

When will Bill come out of the closet?