It was only a matter of time

If this doesn't bare out the slippery slope argument, I don't know what does...


Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals
Claim unfair to be stigmatized for sexual orientation
Jack Minor - Northern Colorado Gazette
October 15, 2011


Using the same tactics used by “gay” rights activists, pedophiles have begun to seek similar status arguing their desire for children is a sexual orientation no different than heterosexual or homosexuals.

Critics of the homosexual lifestyle have long claimed that once it became acceptable to identify homosexuality as simply an “alternative lifestyle” or sexual orientation, logically nothing would be off limits. “Gay” advocates have taken offense at such a position insisting this would never happen. However, psychiatrists are now beginning to advocate redefining pedophilia in the same way homosexuality was redefined several years ago.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act recently held a symposium proposing a new definition of pedophilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders of the APA.
B4U-Act calls pedophiles “minor-attracted people.” The organization’s website states its purpose is to, “help mental health professionals learn more about attraction to minors and to consider the effects of stereotyping, stigma and fear.”

In 1998 The APA issued a report claiming “that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood sexual abuse experiences.”

Pedophilia has already been granted protected status by the Federal Government. The Matthew Shephard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act lists “sexual orientation” as a protected class; however, it does not define the term.

Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying that “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation;” however, the amendment was defeated by Democrats. Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fl) stated that all alternative sexual lifestyles should be protected under the law. “This bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice and to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability or all of these ‘philias’ and fetishes and ‘isms’ that were put forward need not live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of this rule.”

The White House praised the bill saying, “At root, this isn’t just about our laws; this is about who we are as a people. This is about whether we value one another – whether we embrace our differences rather than allowing them to become a source of animus.”

Earlier this year two psychologists in Canada declared that pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality or heterosexuality.

Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal, told members of Parliament, “Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offense from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality.”

He went on to say, “True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this person’s sexual orientation. He may, however, remain abstinent.”

When asked if he should be comparing pedophiles to homosexuals, Van Gijseghem replied, “If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.”

Dr. Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, agreed with Van Gijseghem. Quinsey said pedophiles’ sexual interests prefer children and, “There is no evidence that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.”

In July, 2010 Harvard health Publications said, “Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges.”

Linda Harvey, of Mission America, said the push for pedophiles to have equal rights will become more and more common as LGBT groups continue to assert themselves. “It’s all part of a plan to introduce sex to children at younger and younger ages; to convince them that normal friendship is actually a sexual attraction.”

Milton Diamond, a University of Hawaii professor and director of the Pacific Center for Sex and Society, stated that child pornography could be beneficial to society because, “Potential sex offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex against children.”

Diamond is a distinguished lecturer for the Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco. The IASHS openly advocated for the repeal of the Revolutionary war ban on homosexuals serving in the military.

The IASHS lists, on its website, a list of “basic sexual rights” that includes “the right to engage in sexual acts or activities of any kind whatsoever, providing they do not involve nonconsensual acts, violence, constraint, coercion or fraud.” Another right is to, “be free of persecution, condemnation, discrimination, or societal intervention in private sexual behavior” and “the freedom of any sexual thought, fantasy or desire.” The organization also says that no one should be “disadvantaged because of age.”

Sex offender laws protecting children have been challenged in several states including California, Georgia and Iowa. Sex offenders claim the laws prohibiting them from living near schools or parks are unfair because it penalizes them for life.

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=11517

This is what I've been saying for the last two years.

EVERYBODY has rights, regardless of what they do and how they act in life. Terrorists have rights, paedophiles have rights, everybody does.

Yes, most people hate paedophiles. But that isn't really your business. You expect people to accept what you do, so in return, you have to accept how others live their lives.

As long as your rights dont cause harm on anybody else and dont drag down society but a pedophile? I think you should have took that trip to mars on that voyage. I mean your either acting like an a hole or you have mental illness!!!

The third option - that open, and honest syndrome - Aspergers.

I'd say my view is the exact opposite. With everybody claiming they have "rights," this is what society has come to. Or is heading towards. Never mind where these so called "rights" came from. Nowhere, really. They're just self-anointed "rights" people have given themselves. And if you disagree with them, well, you're denying them their "rights."

wow

We are in a situation now where people are policing each other. Narcissism has also risen, since the United States became the world's leading power. In all honesty, thats where it originated from.

All this moral stuff, I'm pretty good debating it. To go down that road and see some dark material, well, thats up to you.

MOST people hate pedophiles (notice correct spelling, I know you'll appreciate it, as you're a writer and all)? Who are the people that don't hate pedophiles? Pedophiles themselves?
And as a parent, that isn't my business? Seriously, if you're on drugs, you should quit and if you're not on drugs, you should start.

I couldnt have said it any better!! Thanks Carmela

Brits spell it paedophile. So do our media.

Anyway, that word never appears in the book I am writing.

If you care about other people's children that much, I'd suggest you also help pay for their upkeep too.

It's obvious that you are anti-American. It's wearing thin already. Maybe you should post on another country's home-based board and be anti them?

Nobody normal or moral defends pedophiles.

It is untrue that the Federal government has granted "protected status" to pedophiles. Anyone who believes that is too stupid to be allowed to operate simple machinery, let alone vote.

The original quoted post is something that has been reblogged around a number of right-wing, conspiracy minded or anti-gay sites for the past three years in part because of their opposition to including sexual orientation or gender identity to hate crimes laws.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/05/06/fox-news-falsely-claims-dems-voted-to-protect-d/149889

Hey Demeo every now and then you run into a strange bird, i guess you where Black dress shoes with sweat pants too

My views are my views. You don't have to like them. I can and will be quiet about this subject, but if others draw me into a non-flaming debate then I will act respectful about the opinions of others and talk properly.

The American people have taught me to stand up for what I believe in. Now they realise my opinions and beliefs, they WISH they never opened my box and let it all out.

You sure sound like Paul Bennett.

Ah, but that's the point now, isn't it? What's considered "normal" or "moral" is changing.

As unbelievable to us that certain "rights" would be extended to pedophiles now, I'm sure many in the past would find it just as unbelievable that certain "rights" have been extended to other groups today.

Vice is a monster of so frightful mien,
As to be hated needs but to be seen;
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.

- Alexander Pope (1688–1744)

Yes, pedophiles have rights. They have the right to due process, to defend themselves in a court of law, etc., same as any other criminal. Because that's what they are - criminals.

Their crimes are committed against the most easily persuaded and innocent victims. They prey on vulnerabilities and fear, giving attention to children that crave it, establishing a sense of trust only to betray it in the cruelest of ways. And they are the kind of criminals that have a nauseatingly high rate of recidivism.

What makes you think children are innocent? It is at that age that they learn to act devious and aggressive.

Forget respectful and properly. Concentrate on intelligently.

Please explain, since you enjoy posting so much lately. Could you please amplify on what you posted above. What age? When do they become devious? At the same age they get molested? Is there a specific age or plateau?? Is molestation and deviousness in children somehow related to a specific grade in school? Is it related to something they learn, like long division or their multiplication tables? Maybe when they teach them to write in cursive???

I'm quite fascinated with your posts, since they seem to have such depth and expertise, so I'm interested in hearing more of what you have to say.

What was that I was saying about a slippery slope?



Gay Danish couples win right to marry in church

Homosexual couples in Denmark have won the right to get married in any church they choose, even though nearly one third of the country's priests have said they will refuse to carry out the ceremonies.

By Richard Orange in Denmark
June 7, 2012

The country's parliament voted through the new law on same-sex marriage by a large majority, making it mandatory for all churches to conduct gay marriages.
Denmark's church minister, Manu Sareen, called the vote "historic".

"I think it's very important to give all members of the church the possibility to get married. Today, it's only heterosexual couples."

Under the law, individual priests can refuse to carry out the ceremony, but the local bishop must arrange a replacement for their church.

The far-Right Danish People's Party mounted a strong campaign against the new law, which nonetheless passed with the support of 85 of the country's 111 MPs.

"Marriage is as old as man himself, and you can't change something as fundamental," the party's church spokesperson Christian Langballe said during the debate. "Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman."

Karsten Nissen, the Bishop of Viborg, who is refusing to carry out the ceremonies, has warned that the new law risks "splitting the church".

"The debate has been really tough," said Mr Sareen, an agnostic who has pushed hard for the legislation since taking his post last autumn.

"The minority among Danish people, politicians and priests who are against, they've really shouted out loud throughout the process."

The first gay marriages will take place as soon as June 15. This contrasts with neighbouring Norway, where bishops are still debating the correct 'ritual' for the ceremonies, four years after a 2008 parliamentary vote in favour of gay marriage.

Stig Elling, a travel industry millionaire and former Right-wing politician, said he planned to marry his partner of 28 years next week.

"We have felt a little like we were living in the Middle Ages," he told Denmark's TV2 station. "I think it is positive that there is now a majority for it, and that there are so many priests and bishops who are in favour of it, and that the Danish population supports up about it. We have moved forward. It's 2012."

Denmark has been a pioneer in gay rights since 1989, when it became the first country in the world to offer civil unions for gay couples.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...-in-church.html

I do have a problem with this, as an American. I don't think that churches should be forced to perform a marriage they oppose; however, I speak as an American, which has a strict policy of separation of church and state. I don't know Denmark's governmental structure and wouldn't dare to comment on something I know nothing about.

I do support civil unions for gay couples, and if a church wants to perform these ceremonies, that's fine, too, but I don't think any religious organization should be forced to perform them if they oppose the beliefs of that religion.

OMG this makes me sick to my stomach to read this. Tell me how a 2 year old can act devious and aggressive? No child deserves to be raped by a SOB. But the SOB deserves to suffer and rot in hell.

What! You've never seen children push other children over? You've never seen children acting selfish with toys? You've never seen children acting out and sitting there arms crossed when parents try to asert authority? You've never seen children swear? You've never seen children throwing tantrums because they can't get their own way? You've never seen children shy away from their parents when they try and get kissed?

Chiildren act like adults and adults act like children. Adults grow up with the same fears thy held when they were children. Spoil a child too much and most of them will grow up thinking the world owes them a living - narcissism.

Nobody deserves to be raped and everybody doing that act will be dealt with lawfully.

First, it is ludicrous even to suggest that pedophilia could be a protected class in the Shepard Hate Crimes Act. In fact, the lack of logic to assert that pedophilia can be considered a sexual orientation within the meaning of this Act would be downright laughable if it weren't such an insult to anyone, who has been the victim of a hate crime.

At the time this federal bill was drafted, most states had hate crime laws, which included "sexual orientation" on its books. Sexual orientation, as it's been used in the committee notes, the FBI data base, etc. refers to the gender of the person, to whom one is sexually attracted. Pedophilia is a classification, in which the attraction is based on age. It is not an inclusive subset of orientation, and no matter who subsequently claims that it is a sexual orientation under the meaning of the Act, it can not be.

Mr. Minor's article is shrill, baseless ranting designed to arouse the fear and prejudices of uninformed minds.

I won't even go into how even the most activist judicial approach to statutory review couldn't make pedophilia a protected class.

Im so happy the medicine kicked in!!!!

We are glad you are feeling better.

That's one issue with a Board such as this: it's available to just about anyone regardless of their knowledge and intelligence concerning something they post about. Too many Board members will never read USC or state statutes before posting. They've probably never heard of substantive due process or even understand the elements of due process. They wouldn't know a predicate if it hit them in the face, or even heard of precedent or stare decisis. They've also never heard of the US Parole commission or US v. Booker or The Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles for that matter. Well, as I've posted elsewhere, they are satisfied with emotional assuagement.

You both can throw out legal terms, cite case references, etc. until the cows come home. But my point remains. There is an obvious slippery slope in regards to the changing attitudes of what is considered acceptable or "normal" by society.

Asolutely, I've witnessed this more myself over the last four years with regards to myself. I've offended lots of people in my life by doing things they don't want me to do. Also, by doing things they think I can't do. People hate to be proven wrong about things.

The people that defended and enabled Sandusky were not as far as I know public or private supporters of gay marriage.

Some elements of the Catholic Church have protected and hidden pedophiles for decades. Again, these were not by and large gay marriage partisans.

And the Brooklyn Haredim who oppose reporting pedophilia in their community to the authorities and have gone so far as to claim that the rabbis should decide if a child sex crime is worthy of reporting and/or punishment are also as far as I know, fiercely opposed to gay marriage.

In short, pedophilia is a disgusting crime which doesn't have anything to do with gay marriage, gay acceptance or whether sexual orientation should be considered among the elements which would indicate a federal hate crime.

There are ways to argue against gay marriage or elevated level of scrutiny in hate crimes that don't require making the abuse of children analogous to consensual adult relationships.

The "pedophile-is-the-norm" argument actually was used in court last week by a local lawyer trying to reduce his client's sentence:

http://prescottdailycourier.com/main.asp...ID=1086&S=1

What was that I was saying about defense attorneys?

Pedophilia and gay marriage do have something in common. Both are evidence of the continuing decline of society. It just so happens that one is gaining more support at the moment.

And when your time comes, you'll wish you had a defense lawyer.

According to the US Constitution? What rights are we discussing?

And why the narrow focus on pedophiles who strictly chase after boys? Pedophiles have crossed gender of their victims and there are many pedophiles who go primarily after children of the opposite sex.

Rights. That damn Constitution!

Massachusetts has had gay marriage for a few years now. How has that fact affected marriage as a whole? What condition was marriage in before the gays ruined it?

I am in agreement. A few years ago, I would have said it was all right. I am from small town, and was more liberal before coming to big city for college. Between what I see at my university, and what I see on news and in New York City, I have changed my views drastically on the issue. Gays said they only wanted equality, but it seems they try to push to see how offensive they can behave without getting reprimanded by anyone. Pedophilia is worse than two people of same sex hooking, but point of what they are doing to society is valid one, in my opinion.

Normally people from a small town go into the big city and learn about diversity. Maybe you're in a different NYC than I'm used to??

No, I'm in Rego Park Queens, nice area, a diverse area, and have not said I had problem with diversity. I work and go to school with many different people, have no problem due to race or sexual orientations, it is when they go overboard, or try to push it to point where they seem to want someone to challenge them. Example: I am waitress. Group of women come in, I get their table. They seem to be lesbians, and turn out to be that. Fine, but then they talk filthy every time I am serving table, ask me personal questions, and one, older than my mothers, starts flirting openly. I am straight, say I have boyfriend just to be left alone, she says obnoxious things anyway. I complain to manger. Useless. He is more afraid of them being offended, gives me diversity lecture. What did I do? As if i was in wrong for being offended? If group of men had hit on me, and it has happened, we are allowed to ask for someone else to take over out table if it goes too far. I asked, he said no, he became red in face, and seemed scared and angry art same time.

I am not against gay unions, even after the above experience, since not all are people of a group are same. Gay adoption I am against, all the way. Yet if I speak up, as I did in one class where we were asked to speak freely, professors get angry, and steer other students into going agaisnt you. I am in New York for over one year, and spent close to a year in Miami. I have seen that big city people are not all that they are cracked up to be as far as independent thought, diversity of opinion, and open mindedness. Small town I am from, and the surrounding areas, were more of those than New York.

While I do underand what you're saying, and where you're coming from, the whole "Pedophilia and gay marriage do have something in common" thing that you just agreed to was a bit off-putting, to be honest.

Sure, SOME people are assholes. Doesn't matter if they're Black/White, Straight/Gay, This/that/or the other thing. But if you're a waitress, sadly, your job is to serve with a smile. Even if they're assholes.

You have a right to have an opinion against gay adoptions -- and I haven't heard WHY you're against it, yet -- but I'd like to. Even tho I disagree with you.

PS - But the flirting thing is difficult I suppose. If you're straight, and two gay people try hitting on you, I can see that as being a little difficult. At the same time, so can a straight couple hitting on a gay waiter/waitress. Or basically any customer being inappropriate with a server. You can't blame all gays for one bad experience, anymore than you can blame all straight people for sending their food back and complaining a lot.

You have 2 choices: You either suck it up with a smile (or condescending giggle, in your case lol), or, you quit and move on to another job. That's basically it.

Yes, this is true, we have all seen it many times over. Played the same way by many groups who felt that they hadn't gotten a fair shake in the past...or it is NOW their time to shine in the spotlight. Remember how it was when Obama won? How many people were jumping up and down yelling it is now our chance to be in control, Ect.....the "happy days are here again" music playing in the background

I guess you have to add the "Gay Card" to the deck, along with the "Race Card", the "I'm Poor Card", the "I Am Women Card", the "Yes- BUT Card" and the "Suck It Up Card". With these and so many other cards in the deck of life, you now know why people get so sick of all the crap and get hard core against things or people.


And by the way...Your manager is wrong and should have done something about your concerns...No matter what the concern was, he should have address it at the time, taken you away from the problem.... then talked about it with you after... It is his job if you feel that there is a problem.

Even a "waitress" doesn't have to 'Suck it up' and listen to filthy talk in a public work place. Any family with little kids will tell you that.

More then once I have told other people to watch their talk while eating with my parents and grandparents who don't need to put up with hearing that crap.

You can't smoke in public places for a reason also.
Then again your can't always fix "STUPID" as they say.

It never fails to amaze me that despite the lessons of history and what life teaches us, we still have people who have not learned from racial, ethnic, religious and gender prejudices. Now we add to the panoply of such prejudices a new one: sexual orientation.

Of course, the rationale for these prejudices is quite discernable and immature. All one does is cite one or more objectional behaviors that someone manifests and then accrues it to an entire race, ethnicity, gender, or sect to which that someone belongs. An example of such turned up on the Board recently when lawyers became the object of a Board member's prejudice. It is so unintelligent.

Geoff just tell them to hold DeMeo

Unfortunately, that's the cold hard truth when you deal with the public. Yes, your manager should have said something, or put a different server on their table. Nobody should be treated like that in the workplace. However, when you deal with the public, you're going to deal with idiots of all kinds. You either have to learn to handle them, or get a job that doesn't involve dealing with the public.

The manager was cowardly, and I can see why. He could have also lost his job, or bought a protest down on restaurant if he had gotten into confrontation that went too far with them. If two years ago I was watching television, and a story of lesbians or gay males having rights violated in any establishment came on, I would have felt that they were victims, and place was discriminatory. If that had happened in my recent situation, and it made local paper, or tv news story, many would have felt same, and sided with customers. Gay groups are very organized. To fight discrimination that is good thing, to push people around is wrong. They have crossed over from having righteous cause to being bullies.

It was no this one incident that got to me, it is seeing something like this once a week. Classroom discussions taken over by someone with story of discrimination having nothing to do with course, and professors afraid to do anything for fear of being called homophobic, or racist in other instances. When I told some fellow student where I was from someone called me a a hick, and later heard a hillbilly joke, I laughed it off, thought I was making friends. Yet I now see that any thing said in any joking manner on gays, minorities, or certain religious groups are punishable offenses. There should be one standard for everyone.

If they were straight, It would have been dealt with. I mentioned that, we have anti-harressment policy towards employees. In this case, there was fear of them using discrimination as an excuse to create a problem. I don't believe it is isolated incident.

Lately, there's been more moaning on this Board than usual. You have added to it. Instead of moaning, why not seek remedies at law? If you are as agrieved as you represent in your post, why not seek legal counsel? I suggest that you start reading US Codes; start with US Codes 29 and 42 and also read your state's statutes on the subject you are moaning about. Before doing all of that, you might throughly read your employer's employment policies and applicable state employment law.

I would also suggest that you reread your posts which reveal a substantive and primitive discriminatory streak in you. As someone posted above, either quit or suck it up and move on. To that I would add taking legal action.

What is your problem? I am not here to argue or fight. You are calling me primitive and discriminatory, for what reason ? Plus you are saying I should sue, I think there are enough lawsuits out there already.

I don't see anything discriminatory in what Jace said. There is no reason to be rude. If those people are homosexuals, it doesn't justify their behavior, as it wouldn't be justified if they were straight. There is nothing discriminatory about saying that. Equality is fine, but here we are talking about some people wanting to be more equal than others.

Simply Stated.

This entire thread is one of the most ridiculous ones I have ever seen on this board.

In all do respect Professor Esq. Olivant how can an individual stand up against their employer with complex state employment laws that the common person isn't educated enough. Even if you retain counsel it doesn't guarantee anything, Bosses stealing from their employees is a growing a problem and no one can do anything to prevent it. " A paycheck is better not having a paycheck at all."
http://www.citypaper.net/cover_story/2012-08-09-the-crime-that-pays.html

All Pedophiles should be strung up and left to hang in pain, they shouldn't get rights..

+1 all pedophiles should be killed, to hell with there rights.....................soliai

They should cut their thing off and make them eat it

You should watch the movie "American Psycho," with Christian Bale I think you'd really like it!