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Posted By: Lilo

Scottish Independence? - 02/29/12 12:40 AM

I thought this was an interesting piece. I didn't realize how lightly Scotland is populated compared to the rest of Great Britain. How likely is Scottish independence and what would that mean for the UK?
Will Scotland Go Its Own Way

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The Breakup of Britain”? It sounds like a fantasy fiction title. To many people across the world, including the English themselves, it is inconceivable that this deep-rooted United Kingdom, the oldest royal democracy in the world, could split apart.

In the last few weeks, however, official London has panicked over the rising clamor of voices from all over the British Isles suddenly agreeing that the archaic structure of “Great Britain” is overdue for a shake-up — even a breakup.

Nowhere are these voices in better harmony than in Scotland. If “Britain” is more than a word on a passport, why do most Scots now feel their primary identity is not British? What would it mean to be English if the Scots walked away? And should the Welsh follow them? A fresh wind of new ideas is blowing from Scotland and tempting all the queen’s subjects to reimagine their identities.

Last month Alex Salmond, Scotland’s first minister and the leader of the Scottish National Party, introduced a “consultation document” on a referendum to decide his nation’s future. After an unexpected triumph in last year’s elections to the Scottish Parliament, the party is now fulfilling its promise: a vote to declare independence.

If Mr. Salmond has his way, the vote will take place in 2014, just shy of 700 years after King Robert the Bruce defeated the English at Bannockburn. And he wants only one question on the ballot paper: “Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?”....
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Scottish Independence? - 02/29/12 01:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
I thought this was an interesting piece. I didn't realize how lightly Scotland is populated compared to the rest of Great Britain. How likely is Scottish independence and what would that mean for the UK?
Will Scotland Go Its Own Way

Quote:
The Breakup of Britain”? It sounds like a fantasy fiction title. To many people across the world, including the English themselves, it is inconceivable that this deep-rooted United Kingdom, the oldest royal democracy in the world, could split apart.

In the last few weeks, however, official London has panicked over the rising clamor of voices from all over the British Isles suddenly agreeing that the archaic structure of “Great Britain” is overdue for a shake-up — even a breakup.

Nowhere are these voices in better harmony than in Scotland. If “Britain” is more than a word on a passport, why do most Scots now feel their primary identity is not British? What would it mean to be English if the Scots walked away? And should the Welsh follow them? A fresh wind of new ideas is blowing from Scotland and tempting all the queen’s subjects to reimagine their identities.

Last month Alex Salmond, Scotland’s first minister and the leader of the Scottish National Party, introduced a “consultation document” on a referendum to decide his nation’s future. After an unexpected triumph in last year’s elections to the Scottish Parliament, the party is now fulfilling its promise: a vote to declare independence.

If Mr. Salmond has his way, the vote will take place in 2014, just shy of 700 years after King Robert the Bruce defeated the English at Bannockburn. And he wants only one question on the ballot paper: “Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?”....
Thanks Lilo, I have alot of Scot friends and this was interesting ! Good pick up !

Frosty
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Scottish Independence? - 02/29/12 01:07 AM

It'd be interesting to hear Yogi's take on this.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Scottish Independence? - 02/29/12 01:31 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
It'd be interesting to hear Yogi's take on this.
That it would my friend !
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: Scottish Independence? - 02/29/12 01:09 PM

I am English, let me tell you although we are all in Britain, N. Ireland, Wales and Scotland, all those countries hate us! LOL Not in a serious way but in sports and such. I have family in Scotland, most Scots I think would prefer independence, the history going back hundreds of years means they see themselves very separate from English people.
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Scottish Independence? - 02/29/12 01:51 PM

Where's William Wallace when you need him!? tongue

History sure takes some crazy twists and turns.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Scottish Independence? - 02/29/12 05:06 PM

They can't live with us, they couldn't live without us..
Posted By: gemini_killer

Re: Scottish Independence? - 02/29/12 08:09 PM

lol the trouble with England is it's full of English.. otherwise I love England wink
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Scottish Independence? - 02/29/12 08:15 PM

Originally Posted By: gemini_killer
the trouble with England is it's full of English

Tea and the Beatles.

Other than that, you can have them tongue grin.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Scottish Independence? - 02/29/12 08:19 PM

I do like "Keeping up Apperances ! " Hope that is english , get it over public tele !

I do have a few other places , that we might drop before them ! "Like a Rock "
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Scottish Independence? - 03/08/12 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
It'd be interesting to hear Yogi's take on this.


I don't know how i missed this but here i am, better late than never! The Scots are working themselves into a frenzy over this at the moment but i just can't work it out.I understand they want to be Scottish first and foremost, they have their own parliament and such, but why not stay with us and still be Scottish first and British second? I don't see what they would gain by being on their own, whether they like it or not England has all the political and financial clout. We also subsidise them by sending their kids to university for nothing and prescriptions for their medicines. I wonder how keen they are for independence when they are paying 9 grand a year to send their kids to college...in England lol

However as i have often said here, my whole family is Scottish and i live not a kick in the arse away from the border and i know how passionate they are about it just now, so who knows? We will just have to wait and see!

Could be worse....we could be from Europe lol lol
Posted By: gemini_killer

Re: Scottish Independence? - 03/08/12 09:44 PM

"We also subsidise them by sending their kids to university for nothing and prescriptions for their medicines"

oh my you sound like David Cameron - shame on you, and you got family in scotland too rolleyes - I don't really want to get into a big heated debate about politics but we both know that we (scotland) have been - for lack of a better word Fucked over by English people forever, you have always held the "political and financial clout" and history has proved that "fair" don't come into it, and to go further than that David Cameron can stick his help regarding prescriptions and universities up his tight ass - I'll gladly pay for my kids and family, keep it, I personally would like nothing more than to run my fucking tractor over Mr Cameron's head for a few days, that would be fair I would say ...



I don't know who is worse... mad
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Scottish Independence? - 03/10/12 01:31 PM

Well listen to you....feisty little bugger aren't ya?

No doubt about which way you should see the vote go eh?

For the record i am no lover of David Cameron and as for the "shame on you" comment??

You can stick that up your arse mate!!!
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Scottish Independence? - 03/10/12 01:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Well listen to you....feisty little bugger aren't ya?

No doubt about which way you should see the vote go eh?

For the record i am no lover of David Cameron and as for the "shame on you" comment??

You can stick that up your arse mate!!!


Apologies for that outburst there....i got a little feisty myself it appears!!

I know Scotland has no love for the English and can see it from both sides. I will just leave it at that cos these big political debates do my head in. All i want to do is drink beer and watch sport wink
Posted By: gemini_killer

Re: Scottish Independence? - 03/10/12 04:16 PM

no problem buddy... I think I will watch a little braveheart and take my frustration out on the Tv lol
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: Scottish Independence? - 03/10/12 04:22 PM

On another note remember when people wanted to see Celtic and Rangers in the Premier League? How would Scots feel about that? Mind you Rangers are in an absolute mess atm!
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Scottish Independence? - 03/11/12 08:49 AM

Rangers really are in the shite....their players have took 75% pay cuts!!!1

Celtic will be loving all this no doubt....yet i'm sure if Rangers did go to the wall Celtic fans would miss the rivalry between these sworn enemies. Maybe they could start a collection up at Parkhead? SAVE THE GERS???

That would go down a storm lol lol
Posted By: Turi Giuliano

Re: Scottish Independence? - 05/15/12 08:29 PM

My mum's Scottish so I've got a little Scottish pride in me, though I was born and bread in England. There's a whole debate whether Scotland could survive without English subsidies, though I've heard much of that's a myth. I'm not entirely sure what the economic facts are but I believes the countries have synergy. We have more political clout in the world as Great Britain than we would have individually and that's the main debating point for me.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Scottish Independence? - 05/15/12 08:32 PM

Craig Ferguson is doing his show all this week from Scotland smile.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Scottish Independence? - 05/16/12 01:56 PM

Turi i agree, there is nothing i like more than a mass debate.......
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Scottish Independence? - 03/24/13 06:04 PM

Moving forward
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-21913049

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First Minister Alex Salmond has said he wants to face Prime Minister David Cameron in a TV debate on Scottish independence.

The SNP leader was speaking on BBC One's Andrew Marr show from his party's conference in Inverness.

The electorate in Scotland will be asked to vote yes or no to independence in a referendum on 18 September 2014.

Mr Salmond accepted there would be a number of TV showdowns, but he thought the first should be with Mr Cameron.

When asked by interviewer Eddie Mair whether he would debate with pro-union head Alistair Darling, he said: "My first mark is David Cameron the Prime Minister.

"I think as first minister of Scotland I should debate with the prime minister. We signed the Edinburgh agreement. He's against independence - I'm for it...
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Scottish Independence? - 03/25/13 09:25 AM

Take a good look at Mr. Salmond. He looks like Fred Flintstone!!
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