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Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Election 2012 - 01/23/11 03:23 AM

Oh quit groaning.

We may've just gotten over the mid-terms and the next Presidential election is only 653 days away, but let's face reality. '12 started the day after Obama got elected, and with how the modern presidential campaign is now conducted, a candidate basicaly campaigns for two straight years from announcement to inauguration.

So very soon around this spring, we'll see all the contenders for the Republican presidential nomination throw their hats into the ring, grab gloves and start duking it out. With the survivor becoming the #1 contender for the title against Barry "The Barbarian" Obama. See, politics is just like pro wrestling.

I'll post relevant news, thoughts, analysis on this thread, whether my own two cents or from the pundits. I'll try to stay away from needless "Obama whoring" since we have a topic just for that but I'll try to stay relevant to this thread topic. Anyway let's start with real substance.

The New Hampshire GOP today issued their first '12 "Straw Poll," a good year before the real important (open) primary in the Granite State. Not a scientific poll, but none the less a clue in seeing how NH party members think of the potential presidential field. The Top 10:

Mitt Romney 35.14%
Ron Paul 10.51%
Tim Pawlenty 7.61%
Sarah Palin 6.88%
Michele Bachmann 5.07%
Jim DeMint 5.07%
Herman Cain 3.99%
Chris Christie 3.26%
Rick Santorum 3.26%
Mitch Daniels 2.90%


Thoughts:

(1) Mitt Romney winning is new surprise. He was governor of bordering-Massachusetts and owns a house in New Hampshire. TPM revealed recently that Romney' strategy to win the nomination in spite of potential allergies the base has with him (RomneyCare, Mormonism) is to cruise centrist, don't pander directly to the Tea Party base, and let those Teabagger candidates cancel each other out while Romney wins by default.

(2) Notice anything wrong with that list? Mike Huckabee is missing. He went 12th with only 2%. He should have done better. Interesting.

(3) Maybe its because the NH GOP leadership just got taken over by the Tea Party, so that might explain their heavy eagerness for people like Bachman. Or consider if you combine Bachman and Palin, that would have ranked a strong second.

(4) Again no serious GOP candidate has officially announced a run yet. There are rumors that Ron Paul wants instead to take a shot at the Texas Senate seat being vacated by the retiring Kay Hutchinson. Bachman allegedly said that she won't run if Palin runs, and Rudy Giuliani says he would run if Palin does. More elaborated thoughts on that later.

(5) How the hell did Pawlenty do that well?

(6) In the end this poll means nothing. And everything. But nothing really.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/11 05:56 AM

Pawlenty will be the nominee and will lose handily to Obama.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/11 08:28 AM

I believe he's the only person who thinks he can win. Right?

Report: Newt Gingrich To Base Presidential Campaign In Georgia


In the last 24 hours, former U.S. House speaker Newt Gingrich has touched base with several prominent Republicans in his former home state, telling them that he intends to make a run for president in 2012 using Georgia as his base - and that he already has his eye on office space in Buckhead for a campaign headquarters.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/...gia.php?ref=fpi
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/11 01:32 PM

Right now, the more GOP contenders the better as it gives the Party a chance to hear more views and GRADUALLY determine who the best candidate is to beat Obama.

Several on your list will disappear early in the process and Chris Christie won't even be on it, unlike others who do not give a straight yes or now answer, he has stated several times he will NOT run for President in 2012.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/11 03:09 PM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Right now, the more GOP contenders the better as it gives the Party a chance to hear more views and GRADUALLY determine who the best candidate is to beat Obama.


You know what's interesting? At this point in the last election (1-2007), you know how many GOPers had openly declared Presidential bids? 7.

How many now? Zero.

Of course the fact that '08 was the first election since '52 when both parties didn't have incumbent President/Vice-President running certainly played a big reason for that. But I think there is another factor. Let me elaborate on it in another posting, but lets just say I think many folks are waiting to see if a certain possible candidate does run. Or not.

Notice I didn't mention the gender of said candidate.

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa


Several on your list will disappear early in the process and Chris Christie won't even be on it, unlike others who do not give a straight yes or now answer, he has stated several times he will NOT run for President in 2012.


True but knowing politicians when it comes time and he's not there, then I'll believe it. Cynical I know, but if he gets enough popular support in polling (and proper ego stroking), he might not be able to resist that urge to answer this "draft call."

And as unlikely it may be, Christie wouldn't even be the first New Jersey Governor to run for President while in his first term. That would be Woodrow Wilson in '12. And he won both nomination and Presidency.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/11 05:26 PM

Having your name on a NH straw poll and openly declaring a run are two very different things. Sometimes those names are there only because of the media.

Chris Christie may very well one day run for President. But it will not be in 2012.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/11 07:25 PM

News a few days old, but none the less pertinent for this thread:

Obama to run Re-Election campaign from Chicago

The decision bucks recent history. Every two-term president in the last 30 years — George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan — set up his re-election campaign offices near the White House or in suburban Virginia.

A Chicago base offers plenty of advantages: The city is loaded with longtime loyalists, many with fundraising muscle. It also provides easy access to Midwestern battleground states that Obama must court: Iowa, Ohio, Missouri, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan.

And it's far enough from Washington to avoid those unwelcome political consultants who, as one Democratic strategist put it, are "trying to get a piece of the ad money and always in your ear offering their two cents."


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-...d-campaign-base
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/11 11:37 AM

Reported on friday to little to no fanfare, but this has national ramifications for the GOP primaries.

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Arizona may kick off primary scramble

Erin McPike reports that the Arizona GOP is expected to pass a resolution this weekend asking the governor to move the state's presidential primary to early February.

The resolution says that Arizona voters "have a distinguished history of representing the best of Republican values" and "deserves to play a meaningful role in the selection of the Republican Party's nominee in 2012." The date change would leapfrog the expected dates of the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary.

According to a party source, the Arizona GOP is acting with full awareness that such a move would push Iowa and New Hampshire to also alter their primaries -- and that the RNC could punish Arizona for violating the calendar set by the national committee.

"I don’t know if the idea is necessarily to go first," the source tells POLITICO.

A call to the New Hampshire secretary of state, who is responsible for ensuring that his state's primary happens at least seven days before any other contest, was not immediately returned.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0111/Arizona_may_kick_off_primary_scramble.html?showall
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/11 02:58 PM

I do follow Presidential campaigns, BUT I wish they'd shorten the entire campaigning process. I mean good grief, a year is too long. rolleyes



TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/11 06:07 PM

In politics two weeks is eternity.

Between now and November 2012 there is no telling what could happen.

A wise person once told me the one constant in politics is that the conventional wisdom is usually wrong. Three months ago Obama looked like a slam dunk one termer. Then along comes the lame duck congress, Obama moves to the center and is
shuffling his staff, and now I have to listen to the geniuses on Meet the Press yesterday talking about whether Hillary will run in 2016 after Obama's second term. MARONE!

Conventional wisodm is that if umemployment stays at 9% Obama
loses, and if it is at 8 or less he is re-elected. IMHO this is nonsense. There is a lot more to it than that.

It is safe to say that Obama will win the big States on the East and West Coasts, and whomever the GOP nominates will
take the south and most border states along with most of the
western states.

Obama won easily in 2008 because in retrospect McCain ran a terrible campaign and Obama generated more exitement than any candidate since JFK. He wont have that kind of enthusiasm in 2012 and it will make it harder for him to win states like Virginia, N. Carolina and Florida which he previously carried.

The GOP has a problem with the tea party people if they are unhappy with Boehner et al. and they splinter off. If that
happens I think Obama wins by default. Assuming it doesn't,
all bets are off, and it comes down to who the G.O.P. nominates.

I think their strongest candidate would be Jeb Bush who says he isn't running, but let's wait and see.

Right now I don't see any of the G.O.P. hopefuls able to unseat him, but if we have a second wave of economic downturn, or major setbacks overseas, then he could be in trouble.

Bottom line is the presidency is for the incumbent to lose. If a sitting president is strong enough to make independents so much and shrug and say, "No point in changing horses," then the incumbent wins. It is only when the incumbent is seen as
incompetent (Carter) or totally out of touch (Bush I) that he
loses. In '72 everyone who followed politics knew Nixon was up to his neck in dragging the Vietnam War out, Watergate and a lot of other bad stuff, but the Dems went off and nominated McGovern who was not acceptable to the mainstream, who held their noses and gave Nixon the landslide he got.

Its more of a "no confidence" vote, and I don't know if it can be quantified. If more people have no confidence in Obama in 2012 than not, he loses. If not, he wins. It is that simple.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/11 11:19 PM

He's not announced a run yet (even if everybody assumes he will), but Fmr. Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty has already released a campaign ad:

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/11 04:20 AM

Rasmussen: Romney holds slim National GOP lead, Obama at 52%

Romney 24%
Palin 19%
Huckabee 17%
Gingrich 11%
Pawlenty 6%
Paul 4%
Daniels 3%
Other candidates 6%
Undecided 10%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...kabee_and_palin

Meanwhile, R's Obama tracking:

Approve: 52%
Disaprove: 47%

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/pollsters/rasmussen
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/11 09:37 AM

Could this snowball into an important, unexpected development for the '12 primaries/election?

GOP Lawmakers Planning Meeting To Explore "Alternatives" In Afghan War

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Three Republican lawmakers who have been outspoken on the war in Afghanistan are trying to push their party to start debating alternative policies and will be convening a meeting next month to start the debate.

Reps. Walter Jones (N.C.), Ron Paul (Texas) and Jimmy Duncan (Tenn.) sent a letter to every Republican House member on Monday inviting them them to a Feb. 16 briefing with Council on Foreign Relations President Richard Haass, retired Maj. Gen. John Batiste and Americans for Tax Reform President Grover Norquist -- all of whom have been critical of the direction of the war.

The vast majority of Republican freshmen remain committed to the war in Afghanistan, based on their past public statements. But the Tea Party -- which helped elect many of these new lawmakers -- seems to be increasingly skeptical and concerned about the increasing cost of the war. A recent poll by the Afghanistan Study Group found that two-thirds of conservatives support a troop reduction in Afghanistan. Seventy-one percent of conservatives overall and 67 percent of Tea Party supporters worry that the cost of the war "will make it more difficult for the United States to reduce the deficit this year and balance the federal budget by the end of this decade."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/24/afghanistan-republican-alternatives-meeting_n_813281.html



A few believe it won't.

Election 2012: Republicans the Anti-War Party? No So Fast


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It seems that Norquist is calling on Republicans to consider an Afghan withdrawal simply because it will be politically expedient in 2012. That is, it might manage to garner the Republicans a few more votes for their presidential candidate. Disaffected Democratic voters, however, are smart enough not to take the bait, and won’t be voting for any Republican candidate in 2012 (they’ll return, predictably, to the Democratic Party). But Republicans aren’t angling for these disaffected Democrats. They’re aiming for Independents and swing voters.

It seems that he and other Republicans are hoping for an anti-war candidate to challenge Obama on the economic and national security merits of the war. But who do the Republicans have that could honestly carry out this task?

Clever, but ultimately futile.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/44292/election-2012-republicans-the-anti-war-party-no-so-fast/


Why Republicans Will Stay Hawkish


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On Afghanistan, they were either for continuing the war, against it, skeptical about it, or had no position.

There is no "isolationist" wing of the GOP. Of the Republicans' 47 senators and 242 representatives, only 5 percent (15 members) expressed support for cutting defense spending. Adding those in the "ambiguously for" category makes it 13 percent. Forty-one percent are against cutting defense spending; with those ambiguously against, it's 60 percent.
Only 10 Republicans, or 4 percent, are against the war in Afghanistan, and none are senators. Including the skeptical members, 10 percent are somewhat antiwar. Eighty percent support the war.

The tea party is not mellowing Republican militarism. If it were, freshman Republicans, who mostly proclaim allegiance to the movement, should be more dovish than the rest. That's not the case. Five of the 101 Republican freshmen and 10 of the 184 who aren't newcomers support cutting defense spending. That's about 5 percent of each group.
No new Republican opposes the war in Afghanistan outright. Including skeptics, 9 percent of freshmen and 11 percent of the rest are against the war.

Fewer new Republicans have defined positions on these issues. Veteran Republicans are more likely to be in the clearly "against cuts" and "for the war" categories; freshmen are more likely to be ambiguous or have no position. This ambiguity is a silver lining for advocates of military restraint: Many tea-party Republicans were elected without saying much about foreign policy and may yet emerge as non-interventionists.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-skeptics/why-republicans-will-stay-hawkish-4767

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/11 08:37 PM

Poll: Optimism About State Of The Country Hits Highest Point Since 2007

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In a CNN poll released today, 43% of Americans said things in the country were going either "very" or "fairly" well, the highest level of confidence CNN has measured since April 2007. That result also represents a 14-point increase from just one month ago, when only 29% of Americans said the country was in good shape.

Despite the surge in optimism, the majority of Americans are still generally pessimistic about the state of the nation. Fifty-six percent of respondents said the country was faring "very" or "pretty" badly. Still, that's down from 71% one month ago, and significantly lower than the record high of 83% that CNN measured in November 2008.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/...007.php?ref=fpa



Obama Improves Standing In NC, Leads All 2012 GOP Challengers

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In 2008, President Obama became the first Democratic presidential nominee to carry North Carolina in 32 years. A new PPP poll now shows him gaining momentum toward taking that state again in 2012, with the President posting a positive approval rating there for the first time in a year and for the first time leading in hypothetical matchups with all four of the frontrunners for the GOP nomination.

In the poll, 49% of respondents said they approved of Obama's job performance, while 47% said they disapproved of the job he was doing. That's a five-point swing from last month, when North Carolinians disapproved of Obama by a 46% to 49% split, and it's the first time since December 2009 that Obama has held a net positive approval rating in the state.

In head-to-head matchups, Obama led four GOP candidates by margins of three to nine points. Mitt Romney polled closest to Obama, trailing the President 47% to 44%. Mike Huckabee--who led Obama by four points in November, and by one point in December--saw his lead erode entirely so that he now trails Obama by four points, 49% to 45%. Obama also led Newt Gingrich 50% to 44%, and topped Sarah Palin 50% to 41%.

In 2008, Obama barely slipped past McCain to win North Carolina by about 14,000 votes, or 0.4%.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/...s.php?ref=dcblt
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/11 01:16 AM



On election day 2008, just 16% of the country thought things were "going well." Today that number stands at 43%.

Of course the "Pretty/Very Badly" still runs in the 50s.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/11 03:45 AM

Gingrich calls for eliminating EPA

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Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich called Tuesday for the elimination of the Environmental Protection Agency, which he wants to replace with a new organization that would work more closely with businesses and be more aggressive in using science and technology.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Gingrich said the EPA was rarely innovative and focused only on issuing regulations and litigation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110125/ap_on_go_ot/us_gingrich_iowa

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/11 03:47 AM

U.S. House Votes to End Watergate-Era Finance System

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Jan. 26 (Bloomberg) -- The Republican-controlled U.S. House voted to eliminate public financing of presidential campaigns almost four decades after the Watergate scandal that led to its adoption.

Today’s 239-160 vote was primarily along party lines. Republicans said the U.S. can’t afford the program in an era of trillion-dollar budget deficits. The legislation would save $617 million over 10 years, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-01-26/u-s-house-votes-to-end-watergate-era-finance-system.html


It should be noted, the current President in the last presidential election became the first presidential candidate to opt out out of public financing.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/11 05:04 AM

FEC report: Palin's PAC has $1.3M in cash

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The disclosures filed with the Federal Election Commission show Sarah PAC raised more than $275,000 in the last six weeks of 2010. Those donations, mostly smaller amounts, came from 607 donors scattered across the country.

The PAC raised more than $3.5 million in 2010, and handed out $463,500 to candidates and political causes.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_go_ot/us_palin_pac


EDIT - I found this later elsewhere:

Quote:

Mitt Romney has put together an establishment, blue-chip operation, locking in top donors and banking more than $9 million through a network of political action committees. Sarah Palin is driving white-hot media attention and fervent grass-roots support through her Facebook posts and Fox News appearances.


http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/22/nation/la-na-gop-campaign-20110122
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/11 06:43 PM

Sharron Angle Mulls Presidential Run

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/...ential-Run-3072
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/11 10:49 PM

Indiana Rep. Mike Pence NOT Running for President

Quote:
Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), who has become something of a dream presidential candidate for many conservative bloggers and activists, appears to be about to say that he will not run for president.

Fmr. House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX), now head of FreedomWorks, said that Pence could potentially be a second coming of Reagan.

"In the choice between seeking national office and serving Indiana in some capacity, we choose Indiana," Pence, R-Columbus, said of himself and wife Karen in a letter being sent to supporters. "We will not seek the Republican nomination for president in 2012."


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/report-mike-pence-not-running-for-president.php?ref=fpa
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/11 10:58 PM

An independent PAC supporting a Daniels run is behind this ad which will air Super Bowl Sunday in southern Iowa.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/11 06:56 PM

If not for Cairo, the White House would be jumping for joy at this news:

GOP heavyweights hesitant about backing Romney '12

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An array of Republican heavyweights who backed Mitt Romney’s 2008 presidential bid are not yet committed to - and in some cases, downright skeptical of - the former Massachusetts governor’s all-but-certain 2012 campaign.

In each of the traditional early states, top Romney supporters from the last campaign tell POLITICO that they’re hesitant to get behind the nearest thing the GOP has to a frontrunner. His difficulties are particularly acute in Iowa and South Carolina, where his former enthusiasts say they have not heard from him, believe he may be intent on downplaying the states in his second White House run and are openly flirting with his potential rivals.


And this is just pathetic:

Quote:
Asked specifically what Romney needed to do to earn his support again, Fmr. Sen. Judd Gregg (NH), who was a national co-chair of the Bay Stater’s bid in 2008, said flatly: “I haven’t made any decision.”


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48336.html#ixzz1CM8yYypq
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/29/11 09:54 AM

No surprise, even if he's got a terminal case of foot-in-mouth disease*. But if this wasn't the case, who would have replaced him in that '12 slot?

Biden expects to be Obama's 2012 running mate

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Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday he expects to be on the 2012 Democratic presidential ticket as President Barack Obama's running mate.

"He (Obama) asked me if I would do that over a year ago. And I told him I would," Biden said in an interview on "PBS NewsHour."



http://www.kgmi.com/pages/9081126.php?contentType=4&contentId=7567553

*=He refused to call the currently-embattled President of Egypt a dictator. If it walks and quacks like a duck...
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/29/11 11:23 AM

Primaries a year away, these recent PPP polls (last 5 days) won't matter 6 months from now (much less 12 months later) but do they do give a glimpse of how state GOP voters view the field. Also an excuse to give a shout out to NJ.

PPP: North Carolina - GOP rents I HEART HUCKABEES

Huckabee 27%
Gingrich 18%
Palin 16%
Romney 11%
Pawlenty 7%
Paul 6%
Daniels 3%
Thune 1%

PPP New Jersey: State GOP can't Decide (Can They have Both?)

Huckabee: 18%
Romney: 18%
Gingrich: 15%
Palin: 14%
Paul: 8%
Pawlenty: 4%
Daniels: 3%
Thune: 2%

Attached PPP Commentary:

Quote:

If there's anywhere that Romney should really be strong it's the northeast but he's polling ten points behind the 28% he got there in 2008. Huckabee's peformance meanwhile shows strength for him outside his home base in the South and it's ten points better than the 8% he got there last time around.

In addition to its geography New Jersey also ought to be a good state for Romney because it has one of the more moderate Republican electorates in the country. In most states we've been polling more than 70% of GOP primary voters describe themselves as conservatives but it's only 60% in New Jersey. But Romney can't take advantage of that because he's in fourth place with conservatives at 14% behind Huckabee's 21%, Gingrich's 17%, and Palin's 16%. Romney is indeed way up with moderates at 24% with no one else doing any better than 13%. But that's only enough to balance out his poor performance with conservatives relative to Huckabee.


PPP: Texas - Hunky(bee) Dory; Palin/Perry Weak at Obama

Favorables/Unfavorables

Gingrich 38/44
Huckabee 51/30
Palin 42/53
Romney 40/37

Approval/Disaproval

Obama 42/55

Match-Ups

Gingrich 48%
Obama 43%

Huckabee 55%
Obama 39%

Palin 47%
Obama 46%

Romney 49%
Obama 42%

TX Gov Rick Perry 45%
Obama 45%

PPP West Virginia: Huckabee leading GOP Field, Obama approval at 34%

Huckabee 28%
Palin 25%
Gingrich 17%
Romney 10%
Paul 6%
Pawlenty 5%
Daniels 2%

Favorables/Unfavorables

Huckabee: 48/27
Romney: 34/37
Palin: 41/47
Gingrich: 33/43

Approval/Disaproval

Obama: 34/58

Match-ups

Huckabee: 54
Obama: 36

Romney: 50
Obama: 37

Gingrich: 49
Obama: 39

Palin: 46
Obama: 42
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/30/11 09:51 AM

Kansas might cancel '12 Presidential Primary to save Money

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Citing the high cost, newly elected GOP Secretary of State Kris Kobach filed a bill this week to nix the state’s presidential contest. The financially strapped state could save up to $2 million by skipping a primary contest.

If the measure passes, it will be the fifth consecutive presidential election in which Kansas goes without a primary. The last was in 1992.



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48403.html#ixzz1CVixm2Dh
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 02/05/11 05:22 PM

I sensed a political strategy in the State of the Union speech:

Obama was roundly criticized for being too vague, and for making only a token concession to the "mandate" to cut spending. But I think he's counting on a huge rift in the GOP: between the Establishment, which despite their rhetoric is just as tax/spend/deficit-addicted as the Dems; and the Tea Party purists, who are basically leaderless but seem to hold the "purity" high ground in the GOP. I think Obama didn't offer any specifics in his speech because he's counting on paralysis in Congress for the next two years as the GOP self-destructs. Then he'll blame the "do-nothing" Congress and count on his still-formidable popularity to carry him past whoever survives the GOP infighting and name-calling.

Harry Truman won an unanticipated victory in 1948 by blaming the "do-nothing Congress." Then again, Truman never backed away from a political fight. We'll see if Obama has the spine to do it.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/05/11 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Harry Truman won an unanticipated victory in 1948 by blaming the "do-nothing Congress."

What are you talkin' about, TB? tongue

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/13/11 01:33 AM

Ron Paul Wins CPAC Straw Poll w/ 30%; Mitt Romney Comes in Second w/ 23%

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/02/12/ron-paul-wins-cpac-straw-poll-mitt-romney-comes-in-second/
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/11 11:12 PM

Four More Years!

Obama will squeak by in reelection.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/11 11:37 PM

Wait and see. 20 months is a long time.

Anyway quick recap of news I forgot to post: Jim Thune aint running, Mike Huckabee might not*, and I almost considering downloading that expose written by one of her ex-staffers that's being shopped around the publishers.

Go Sarah '12

*=Watch that conference call, and see a guy who looks tired, like he would rather jump into a pool of sharks than play the campaign circus again.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/11 02:37 AM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
...Obama will squeak by in reelection.


The dontomasso is slippin'.

I believe it was only recently you posted that Obama would easily win re-election.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/11 02:42 AM

Rumor has it that Ms. Palin invented a fake Facebook account in order to praise herself and daughter Bristol. Palin has denied any link to the "Lou Sarah" persona, although Lou's Facebook page was linked to Palin's gmail account. Since the story broke, Lou Sarah's Facebook page has disappeared.

http://wonkette.com/438825/is-sarah-palin-commenting-on-her-own-facebook-fan-page
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/11 03:18 AM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa

I believe it was only recently you posted that Obama would easily win re-election.


To be fair, re-election is a re-election regardless of size. It's all about what you do with it. smile
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/11 03:37 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
...To be fair, re-election is a re-election regardless of size. It's all about what you do with it. smile


So true.

In other words, size doesn't matter. It's all about what you do with it.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/11 03:47 AM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
...To be fair, re-election is a re-election regardless of size. It's all about what you do with it. smile


So true.

In other words, size doesn't matter. It's all about what you do with it.


Madonne! Not only do I find myself more and more agreeing with Apple, she's actually starting to excite me.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/11 03:49 AM

You old people creep me out.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/11 03:47 PM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
...Obama will squeak by in reelection.


The dontomasso is slippin'.

I believe it was only recently you posted that Obama would easily win re-election.


Thune is a pimp. He could have never out fought Obama, but until this day I didn't know it was Huckabee all along.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/06/11 11:22 PM

Anyone care to explain to me why Huckabee (randomly) called out recent Oscar-winner Natalie Portman?

Or...or...to use my political cynicism, was this a subtle disguised swipe at the daughter of a former Governor, fellow Fox News talk show host, and possible '12 candidate?
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 12:31 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Anyone care to explain to me why Huckabee (randomly) called out recent Oscar-winner Natalie Portman?...


I believe it was basically for being pregnant out of wedlock, and thanking her boyfriend in her Oscar acceptance speech for giving her 'the greatest gift', their unborn child.

He claims it sends the wrong message to less financially well off single mothers, who will mistakenly think it's so easy because movie stars do it.

The whole thing was set up by a question from conservative talk show host Michael Medved. But...it was a bit ridiculous to single out Ms. Portman, and if the intent was to play to his base it'll get him about as far as he got in 2008 (I think he was one of the first to drop out).

Actually, Huckabee has no chance in 2012 to begin with so what the heck he may as well say whatever he wants.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 12:59 AM

I think the GOP will repeat a mistake Goldwater made in '64 and McGovern repeated in '72. Both won the nomination via well-run campaigns from the extreme wings of their respective parties. They then campaigned by preaching to their respective choirs instead of reaching out to the Great Middle, where presidential elections are won. McCain made that mistake, in his own way: although the GOP right wing didn't put him over for nomination, he spent far too much time in the campaign trying to assure the right that he was one of them, instead of moving to the middle. Did he think for a minute that the GOP right would have voted for Obama? tongue

The Tea Partyers have made impressive gains in Congress and are quite influential. But they're all very new, and are, as yet, leaderless (recall that even Palin campaigned for McCain last year against a Tea Party primary rival). The likely GOP nominee will be a "mainstream" Republican--a tax/spend/deficit politico only rhetorically different from the average Dem. But he'll have to spend all of his time trying to placate the Tea Partyers instead of reaching out to the middle. Even worse: the Tea Partyers, holding their ideological purity sacred, nominate their own candidate, splitting the GOP vote and absolutely assuring a Dem victory.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 02:02 AM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa

I believe it was basically for being pregnant out of wedlock, and thanking her boyfriend in her Oscar acceptance speech for giving her 'the greatest gift', their unborn child.

He claims it sends the wrong message to less financially well off single mothers, who will mistakenly think it's so easy because movie stars do it.


I believe Portman and beau are engaged, to be fair. Incidentally, Bristol Palin and ole Levi were also "engaged" when that baby came out until they split up. Bristol did DANCING WITH THE STARS and Levi did PlayGirl, and we all moved on to newer, dumber stories. Thank you Charles Sheen.

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa


The whole thing was set up by a question from conservative talk show host Michael Medved. But...it was a bit ridiculous to single out Ms. Portman, and if the intent was to play to his base it'll get him about as far as he got in 2008 (I think he was one of the first to drop out).

Actually, Huckabee has no chance in 2012 to begin with so what the heck he may as well say whatever he wants.


I got the impression he might not even run when he criticized the war in Afghanistan.

Quote:
"I’m asking people, 'Tell me what is it we do to say we are done? Help me to understand because I’m not sure.' What does the end game look like here? I can't see a conclusion."
Huckabee said that, though he has faith in the military, he’s had doubts about the war since his visit there in 2006. "You go to Afghanistan, you look around and you say, 'My gosh, am I in a country or on the surface of the moon?' You can't grow anything but poppies. And the government is so incredibly and hopeless corrupt. And I don't see that changing any."


Something that frank and quite frankly honest is not said by a prospective, major candidate for a presidential nomination. Unless you're a fringer like Ron Paul who has fat chance.

~What do George McGovern, George McClellan, and Wendell Wilkie have in common? Anti-war nominees don't win the Presidency.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 02:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Did he think for a minute that the GOP right would have voted for Obama? tongue


No but they could have just stayed home and not voted. Without that base turnout, how can a GOP candidate win an election? Its why McCain picked Palin for running mate. Whether our criticism about Sarah of Alaska, she got that base excited and actually care (for a time) about the election.

Of course McCain's people (allegedly) pulled a Thomas Eagleton and didn't run a background check on Palin and well all those skeletons fell out of the closet. Then her gaffes and we know what happened. Hell her announcement effectively killed Obama's post-convention poll bounce, right after he gave what pundits called a A+ convention speech.

The straw-breaker was when (allegedly) Palin called her party allies/donors back home in Alaska and told them not to give anymore to the McCain campaign and instead save the cash for Palin '12. The fact that before the election, John McCain himself did a SNL sketch w/ Tina Fey parodying that very story, makes me wonder.

Originally Posted By: Turnbull

The Tea Partyers have made impressive gains in Congress and are quite influential. But they're all very new, and are, as yet, leaderless (recall that even Palin campaigned for McCain last year against a Tea Party primary rival). The likely GOP nominee will be a "mainstream" Republican--a tax/spend/deficit politico only rhetorically different from the average Dem. But he'll have to spend all of his time trying to placate the Tea Partyers instead of reaching out to the middle. Even worse: the Tea Partyers, holding their ideological purity sacred, nominate their own candidate, splitting the GOP vote and absolutely assuring a Dem victory.


Problem with the Tea Party is they're too big to be ignored, too small to take control of the RNC and make policies and thus we have a sustained partisan war between them and the party establishment figures. In fact quite frankly, what else unites them other than against Mr. Obama?

The other day on Fox News, Anne Coulter made this prediction about next year:

Quote:
"Romney will be our nominee. And we will lose."


Is she right?
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 02:42 AM

She's right about the GOP losing.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 03:40 AM

Even Rupert wants to know:

Quote:


Fox News Channel on Wednesday suspended the contracts of on-air contributors Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum for two months as the men explore a possible White House run.

The network, in an on-air announcement by Bret Baier, said Gingrich and Santorum would be dropped by Fox entirely on May 1 unless they notify the network by then that they are not running for president.


Source: Washington Post

Question: Why won't FNC do the same for Huckabee and Palin?

~Or its simply that they're hosting TV shows while Newt/Rick are commentators. Big difference.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 03:57 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
...I believe Portman and beau are engaged, to be fair. Incidentally, Bristol Palin and ole Levi were also "engaged" when that baby came out until they split up...


Yes, they are engaged. That Bristol Palin thing was yet another of SO MANY mistakes of the McCain campaign. I always felt Bristol & Levi had NO intention of getting married when she got pregnant but were advised to put on the 'engaged' facade when Sarah was picked for VP. As if it would get them even 5 more votes...!!!

Ann Coulter is probably right about Romney; in fact she has maintained that the GOP will lose if anybody OTHER than Chris Christie is the nominee.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 11:11 AM

Huckabee was playing to his base with the comments about Portman.
It was just like the Quayle-Bergen thing all those years ago. But people's views have evolved and Portman is younger/better looking than Bergen was at the time-not to mention that unlike the Quayle criticism this is actually a real live woman being attacked and not a fictional character. So it looked like Huckabee was churlishly going after Portman. So he had to back off somewhat. So it goes.

The funny thing is that Huckabee seemed to have a (apparently undeserved) reputation for reasonableness. But with the criticism of Portman and the dog whistle about the President's birthplace he's shown he's just like any other politician.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
It was just like the Quayle-Bergen thing all those years ago.

You say potatoe . . . tongue
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
...It was just like the Quayle-Bergen thing all those years ago. But people's views have evolved and Portman is younger/better looking than Bergen was at the time-not to mention that unlike the Quayle criticism this is actually a real live woman being attacked and not a fictional character...


Wasn't going to mention that but since you brought it up....

I always thought Quayle's criticism of the Murphy Brown baby thing was justified...in part because it WAS complete fiction, written solely for entertainment. Here you had a wealthy, prominent, over-40 single career woman who suddenly found herself pregnant...and actually didn't know who the father was!! It wasn't even as though real life pregnancy needed to be written into the show...the whole thing was simply made up.

What Quayle was saying was that it was sending the wrong message and he had a point...unfortunately it all came about during an election year and was very skillfully used against him by the show. Murphy's son was born in the 1992 season finale, Quayle promptly delivered his criticism and they absolutely TROUNCED him in the September season premiere...exactly 2 months before the election.

Not saying that Bush would've won re-election over Clinton had it not been for that...but it certainly didn't help and it REALLY irrepably damaged Dan Quayle, who up to then was already getting very little respect.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 06:59 PM

What is the per centage of children born out of wedlock these days? I think it is something astonishing.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 07:13 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
What is the per centage of children born out of wedlock these days? I think it is something astonishing.


Overall it is about 40% and rising DT. It's even higher for some sub-sections of the US population. People can argue about all the reasons for that of course (married people having fewer children, welfare, birth control, blah, blah, blah) but that's the overall number.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/11 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Originally Posted By: Lilo
...It was just like the Quayle-Bergen thing all those years ago. But people's views have evolved and Portman is younger/better looking than Bergen was at the time-not to mention that unlike the Quayle criticism this is actually a real live woman being attacked and not a fictional character...


Wasn't going to mention that but since you brought it up....

I always thought Quayle's criticism of the Murphy Brown baby thing was justified...in part because it WAS complete fiction, written solely for entertainment. Here you had a wealthy, prominent, over-40 single career woman who suddenly found herself pregnant...and actually didn't know who the father was!! It wasn't even as though real life pregnancy needed to be written into the show...the whole thing was simply made up.

What Quayle was saying was that it was sending the wrong message and he had a point...unfortunately it all came about during an election year and was very skillfully used against him by the show. Murphy's son was born in the 1992 season finale, Quayle promptly delivered his criticism and they absolutely TROUNCED him in the September season premiere...exactly 2 months before the election.

Not saying that Bush would've won re-election over Clinton had it not been for that...but it certainly didn't help and it REALLY irrepably damaged Dan Quayle, who up to then was already getting very little respect.


Qualye was not media savvy imo and misjudged the cultural capital that was invested in saying that decisions like that of the fictional Murphy Brown or some very real mothers were a-ok. I think that ideally children should have both parents but it seems that there are enough people who disagree with that that it is now on the verge of becoming a minority view.

The other thing which Qualye got reamed on was that it's difficult at best to draw any correlation between the actions of a fictional character and the decisions that many women and girls make IRL. As you mention this was seized upon with vigor by his political enemies despite the fact that they themselves likely had art or literature which they thought sent the wrong message.

But anyway as far as oow births go I don't really see a way to put the genie back in the bottle -short of reversing 40-50 years of feminism,the social safety net, the media culture, our understandings of individual autonomy and so on. While there are a few people who would like to do just that lol I don't think they have that kind of muscle anymore. For better or worse times change.

I do think if Portman were older and uglier rolleyes perhaps Huckabee could have gotten away with it. But attacking a beautiful young woman that just won an Oscar and is thanking her fiancee just seems really really petty.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 07:16 AM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
What Quayle was saying was that it was sending the wrong message and he had a point...unfortunately it all came about during an election year and was very skillfully used against him by the show. Murphy's son was born in the 1992 season finale, Quayle promptly delivered his criticism and they absolutely TROUNCED him in the September season premiere...exactly 2 months before the election.


He wasn't the only one on that ticket to make a mistake by picking on pop culture. President Bush betrayed the generation gap when he attacked a then-edgy, very popular cartoon sitcom on the rise when he uttered: "We are going to keep on trying to strengthen the American family, to make American families a lot more like the Waltons and a lot less like the Simpsons"

The next week on SIMPSONS, the creators quickly included a new opening with Bart Simpson watching Bush's remark and replying: "Hey, we're just like the Waltons. We're praying for an end to the Depression too."
Poppycock made a mistake that politicians today learned with Jon Stewart: Don't. Pick. A. Rhetorical. Fight. With. Comedians. You. Will. Lose.

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Ann Coulter is probably right about Romney; in fact she has maintained that the GOP will lose if anybody OTHER than Chris Christie is the nominee.



As you put it earlier, Christie has said he won't run. In fact unless I'm mistaken, he had said somewhere that he wasn't "ready" for the job yet or something to that effect.

I know alot of GOPers are talking him up, a few polls claim he's hotter than lava, maybe more than one whisper to his ear about him being the Republican Obama, all which surely would stroke anybody's ego. But here is my advice to the guy if he is truely tempted: Don't run. DON'T DO IT!

I fear his conservative fanbase confuse his record for his rhetoric, for he's got the same problem Mitt Romney had in '08 and will have in '12: As Republican Governors of Democratic New England states, they've had to run and execute on issue positions that might be found unacceptable by the national party base, and made compromises that'll be scrutinized and picked apart more than a salad bar. I can see that primary campaign ad: "Chris Christie: Soft on Immigration, Soft on Family Values, Soft on Abortion, Too Soft for America."

I'm reminded of Charlie Crist, who went from popular Florida governor that seemed not just a shoe-in for the Senate in '10, but a possible national candidate in '16. But then he supported the Stimulus (got Florida billions of federal funds) and that dream burned down in a spectacular public fashion that could've made the Hindenburg jealous.

Or for that matter back in '08, conservatives talked up Fred Thompson as their savior to rescue them from a lackluster primary field. So he ran, had to quit LAW & ORDER, and...his campaign stalled DOA it seemed as soon as he threw his hat into the ring.

Let's say Obama is re-elected. 2016 could end up being an open election like '08 since I wonder if VP Biden and Hillary might be just too damn old to run by then. Not a guarantee of course since ego and ambition transcends age. '12 will have any potential GOP nominee challenge an incumbent President, and historically we know that's pretty damn hard to do. Of course not impossible, but it aint easy. Learn from Obama, but not the wrong lessons.

I'm reminded of that anecdote about 1968. Then first-term California Governor Ronald Reagan was a darling of the right wing and was even a contender for the GOP presidential nomination at the convention. He lost to Nixon, and Reagan told one of his advisors that he privately was glad he lost since he felt he wasn't ready yet to make that leap from state to national politics. Sometimes it does pay to wait and bide for time.

~For that matter, would Chris even win New Jersey? Its a Democratic state, and slimeball hack Corzine only lost to Christie by only four points. The last elected-President to lose his home state was Bush Sr. Before that? Woodrow Wilson in 1916.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 01:32 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
...As you put it earlier, Christie has said he won't run. In fact unless I'm mistaken, he had said somewhere that he wasn't "ready" for the job yet or something to that effect.

I know alot of GOPers are talking him up, a few polls claim he's hotter than lava, maybe more than one whisper to his ear about him being the Republican Obama, all which surely would stroke anybody's ego. But here is my advice to the guy if he is truely tempted: Don't run. DON'T DO IT!...


To be completely honest, I agree w/ you 100%. If he really doesn't feel he's ready then Christie should NOT run in 2012 regardless of any ego-stroking or prediction that he's the only one who could beat Obama (which I don't think is necessarily true, despite what Ann Coulter thinks).

To put too much expectation on ONE guy is unfair and unrealistic in BOTH parties. I think it's a far better idea to wait & see who has announced and who is running a year from now and let the whole group battle it out. Obama was one of 7 or 8 when debates started in 2007 and nobody on that stage thought he had a chance in hell of even being the nominee (especially one H. Clinton lol ).

Depending on many things, the economy included, the 2012 race could end up just as interesting...that is if the GOP doesn't fall back into their tried & true trap of nominating stately older men with nothing to offer except 40 years of service to their country and half-witted attempts to appear morally above it all. It just doesn't seem to win elections any more.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 02:05 PM

Remember how popular Rudy Giuliani was in January of 2002? I doubt he would get elected to any office now.

I was hoping he would have run for NY Governor rather than the White House. He could have easily beaten Spitzer at the time, and NY could well be in a different position right now. Coulda, woulda, shoulda....
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 02:44 PM

I am probably outnumbered here, but I think Christie WILL end up running in spite of what he is saying (btw, there must be a deadline to put your hat in the ring no?). Let's face it, the Republicans have "slim pickins'" when it comes to candidates.

Most people outside of NJ have only just heard of Christie. My guess would be, if he runs, he'll be very popular with his crowd at first and then as politics go, people will get to know him and THEN will decide from there.

I think of Florida's Alan Grayson on the Dem side. Everyone loved his tell it like it is sarcastic attitude, BUT in the end I think people don't like bossy, know-it-alls and, although still liked, he died down in popularity and I think that's why. ohwell

TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 03:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I was hoping he would have run for NY Governor rather than the White House. He could have easily beaten Spitzer at the time, and NY could well be in a different position right now. Coulda, woulda, shoulda....

I agree, Babe. You know I loathed Spitzer, even prior to the hookers. And Prince Cuomo will turn out to be an even bigger whiner than his father was. I've already had it up to here (my hand is under my chin) looking at photo ops of him and his pasty-faced, pseudo-gourmet, dishrag of a girlfriend. This was a rare case where I would have voted for a true conservative, had there been one available (like Rudy).
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 04:49 PM

Giuliani could have used that governor's seat to launch himself into the 2012 race, and it would have been a far more successful strategy. However, many say he is too moderate for the ticket, with way too many skeletons in his closet, like the mysterious cousin/first wife, the pedophile priest best friend, and his relationship with Kerik.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
And Prince Cuomo will turn out to be an even bigger whiner than his father was. I've already had it up to here (my hand is under my chin) looking at photo ops of him and his pasty-faced, pseudo-gourmet, dishrag of a girlfriend. This was a rare case where I would have voted for a true conservative, had there been one available (like Rudy).


Come on PB, you just need to try her apple cider/cottage cheese/tomato soup lasagna. lol tongue
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Come on PB, you just need to try her apple cider/cottage cheese/tomato soup lasagna. lol tongue

Don't think that's not part of it! lol

Truth is, his father was a first generation Italian-American, with an Italian Mama in a black dress, and I still couldn't stand him.

Appropriate to this site: His denying that the Mafia existed as late as the mid '80s (during the very public Gotti era!) was unforgivable. No one hates Italian stereotypes like I do, but I'd never turn a blind eye or play Pollyanna like that. He was a f'n bum.

And his son, Prince Andrew, will turn out to be even worse (in part because he'll have to live on canned soup tongue grin ).
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 06:46 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
...his pasty-faced, pseudo-gourmet, dishrag of a girlfriend....




That is HILARIOUS!!!

They don't call that show 'Semi-Homemade' for nothing!!
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 07:09 PM

Anthony Bourdain called Sandra Lee "the hellspawn of Betty Crocker and Charles Manson". lol

But although Governor Cuomo may or may not learn to love her cooking over the years, I tend to doubt that was the first thing that attracted him to her. shhh whistle rolleyes

Attached picture sandralee.jpg
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 08:29 PM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Originally Posted By: Lilo
...It was just like the Quayle-Bergen thing all those years ago. But people's views have evolved and Portman is younger/better looking than Bergen was at the time-not to mention that unlike the Quayle criticism this is actually a real live woman being attacked and not a fictional character...


Not saying that Bush would've won re-election over Clinton had it not been for that...but it certainly didn't help and it REALLY irrepably damaged Dan Quayle, who up to then was already getting very little respect.


I think it was more the effect of Ross Perot than Murphy Brown. His nearly 20% of the vote came more from the GOP side than the Dems and it probably tilted the swing states into the Clinton side of the equation.

I tend to agree that Christie in 2012 is too early. If the economy continues to recover and he is able to continue to hold spending down it will make him more attractive. As it is right now the cuts made at the state level are mostly transferred to the local level. My property taxes went up last year and are going up again this year (assuming the budget he proposed is enacted). He is becoming more and more politically careful these days - a little less blunt. He didn't endorse Christine O'Donnell and wasn't what I would call a strong supporter of Palin's Tucson retorts. He isn't pushing to eliminate collective bargaining for public unions like his Wisconsin counterpart either - all indicating a more centrist stand. It may not be fair, but he probably needs to lose a bit of weight as well. Clinton may not have been the poster boy for being in shape, but he wasn't really badly overweight. (Some of those pictures of him jogging were painful to look at, though. Put it this way - it wasn't that hard to find a Secret Service agent to keep up with him - like it was when GW Bush was running) It has been a long time since we had an overweight President in the White House and like it or not - image is important.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/11 10:37 PM

If Palin runs, then I know who John McCain is voting for.

Obama.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/11 12:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
I think it was more the effect of Ross Perot than Murphy Brown. His nearly 20% of the vote came more from the GOP side than the Dems and it probably tilted the swing states into the Clinton side of the equation.

I've always felt that way, DM. An incumbent President, who wins a war, is supposed to be re-elected. Perot hurt George Sr. more than anything else in '92, including the lousy economy at the time. That Frank Perdue looking jerk lol.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/11 12:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
But although Governor Cuomo may or may not learn to love her cooking over the years, I tend to doubt that was the first thing that attracted him to her. shhh whistle rolleyes

Meh. She reminds me of Kay Adams with a boob job.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/11 08:04 PM

Ok, didn't know where to put this. RR you'll love this. I don't know the specifics but while campaigning I think in Ohio, Alan Simpson (NOT Arlen Specter, like I first noted) referred to these two rappers as:

Enema Man and Snoopy Snoopy Poop Dog ... lol What's funny is, even an "anti-rapper" like myself, finds this hilarious. lol


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/11 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Giuliani could have used that governor's seat to launch himself into the 2012 race, and it would have been a far more successful strategy. However, many say he is too moderate for the ticket, with way too many skeletons in his closet, like the mysterious cousin/first wife, the pedophile priest best friend, and his relationship with Kerik.


When one of your kids refuse to publicly support you, you might be in trouble.

Makes one wonder what if Rudy never gotten the prostate cancer which forced him to pull out of the '00 Senate race against Hillary?

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Ok, didn't know where to put this. RR you'll love this. I don't know the specifics but while campaigning I think in Ohio, Arlen Specter referred to these two rappers as:

Enema Man and Snoopy Snoopy Poop Dog ... lol What's funny is, even an "anti-rapper" like myself, finds this hilarious. lol

TIS


"Poop"? A grown adult said "poop" in public?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/11 08:54 PM

It was actually Alan Simpson who said it but yes. It was just one of those things where someone likes to boast about how ignorant they are of a genre they don't like much anyway.. cool
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/11 08:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
It was actually Alan Simpson who said it but yes. It was just one of those things where someone likes to boast about how ignorant they are of a genre they don't like much anyway.. cool



Lilo,

You're right. I don't know why I get those two mixed up. I will amend. Thanks!! wink


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/11 09:18 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I've always felt that way, DM. An incumbent President, who wins a war, is supposed to be re-elected. Perot hurt George Sr. more than anything else in '92, including the lousy economy at the time. That Frank Perdue looking jerk lol.


The war was old news by fall '92 and with the fall of the Soviet Union, 1992 was the first election since probably 1936 when foreign affairs played no role in the election discourse (and this would continue up to 2000).

Post-1968, Cold War played handidly to GOP's benefit and Bush Sr. got screwed when he lost that advantage. I'm reminded of the 1945 British elections, two months after Germany surrendered and PM Churchill didn't just lose his job, the Tories got destroyed, losing 190 seats.

Also let's not forget another factor: Bill Clinton the campaigner. Yes he was chubby (you all had to remind us of the "jogs"), but aside from Reagan, Bubba was probably the best American political campaigner of the last 40 years. He was the first Baby Boomer President, fresh new and exciting and this contrast really damaged Bush Sr., an aging member of the Greatest Generation that seemed out of touch in the 1990s. Dole later would have the same problem against Billy C.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/11 10:46 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I've always felt that way, DM. An incumbent President, who wins a war, is supposed to be re-elected. Perot hurt George Sr. more than anything else in '92, including the lousy economy at the time. That Frank Perdue looking jerk lol.

The war was old news by fall '92 and with the fall of the Soviet Union, 1992 was the first election since probably 1936 when foreign affairs played no role in the election discourse (and this would continue up to 2000).

I don't disagree at all, Ronnie. Daddy Warbucks was up against a plethora of adversity in November of '92, from the lousy economy to being the first ever candidate openly mocked for being an out of touch, cranky old white guy. But I stand by my assertion that of all his obstacles, Perot probably took the most votes away.

If Perot didn't throw his extra small Stetson in the ring, would Clinton have won anyway? Probably, but it would have been very, very close.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 02:17 AM

By SHANNON McCAFFREY, Associated Press Shannon Mccaffrey, Associated Press – 7 mins ago

ATLANTA – Newt Gingrich says his passionate hard work for his country contributed to his marital infidelity. In an interview posted Wednesday by The Christian Broadcasting Network, Gingrich — who recently converted to Catholicism — said he had sought God's forgiveness for mistakes in his past.

"There's no question at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate," Gingrich said.

"What I can tell you is that when I did things that were wrong, I wasn't trapped in situation ethics, I was doing things that were wrong, and yet, I was doing them," he said. "I found that I felt compelled to seek God's forgiveness. Not God's understanding, but God's forgiveness."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 05:19 AM

Palin '12 to base campaign from Scottsdale, Arizona?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0311/Palin_would_base_campaign_in_Scottsdale.html?showall
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 05:07 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
By SHANNON McCAFFREY, Associated Press Shannon Mccaffrey, Associated Press – 7 mins ago

ATLANTA – Newt Gingrich says his passionate hard work for his country contributed to his marital infidelity. In an interview posted Wednesday by The Christian Broadcasting Network, Gingrich — who recently converted to Catholicism — said he had sought God's forgiveness for mistakes in his past.

"There's no question at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate," Gingrich said.

"What I can tell you is that when I did things that were wrong, I wasn't trapped in situation ethics, I was doing things that were wrong, and yet, I was doing them," he said. "I found that I felt compelled to seek God's forgiveness. Not God's understanding, but God's forgiveness."


It used to be "the devil made me do it." Now, I guess, it's "Uncle Sam made me do it." rolleyes
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 05:20 PM

After his statement TB, how can any voter take this man seriously as a presidential candidate?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 05:22 PM

Didn't he leave a wife who had cancer to be with another woman? Sort of like John Edwards. rolleyes Also, his current wife I think is one he had an affair with no? Boy, the Dems could have a field day with his life. lol That is if they have the balls to do it.



TIS
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 06:17 PM

Actually, John Edwards did not LEAVE his wife. The affair w/ Rielle Hunter took place during the 2008 campaign.

But remember....Elizabeth was 'in remission' at the time.

As for Newt Gingrich, yes I believe he did leave his wife for Callista who IS his current wife...but hadn't heard that Mrs. Gingrich #1 had cancer.

To be honest not that it guarantees anything but I think it's pretty clever of Newt to talk about all this now, then if he DOES run there's very little if anything that can be made of it during the campaign. Sort of like Clinton trumping the infidelity thing (thanks to ALOT of help from Hillary) in January of 1992 - with that post-SuperBowl interview on 60 Minutes.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Didn't he leave a wife who had cancer to be with another woman? Sort of like John Edwards. rolleyes Also, his current wife I think is one he had an affair with no? Boy, the Dems could have a field day with his life. lol That is if they have the balls to do it.



TIS


Gingrich has been married three times. In 1962, he married Jackie Battley, his former high school geometry teacher, when he was 19 years old and she was 26. They had two daughters. In the spring of 1980, Gingrich left Battley after having an affair with Marianne Ginther. According to Battley, Gingrich visited her while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer surgery to discuss the details of their divorce. However, Gingrich disputes the account. Six months after the divorce was final, Gingrich wed Ginther in 1981.

In the mid-1990s, Gingrich began an affair with House of Representatives staffer Callista Bisek, who is 23 years his junior; they continued their affair during the Lewinsky scandal. In 2000, Gingrich married Bisek shortly after his divorce from second wife Ginther.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 06:28 PM

Yes, you're right, Edwards did not leave his wife. That doesn't excuse his behavior. The fact that it was during a campaign makes no difference either. He was campaigning for office. AND, the fact the Elizabeth was in remission doesn't make an affair acceptable. She HAD cancer. She died of cancer. Scum is scum and both these guys are just that.

smile

TIS
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 06:30 PM

You look up the word scumbag in the Oxford English dictionary and sure enough, there's a picture of John Edwards right underneath it.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
By SHANNON McCAFFREY, Associated Press Shannon Mccaffrey, Associated Press ...

... In an interview posted Wednesday by The Christian Broadcasting Network, Gingrich — who recently converted to Catholicism — said he had sought God's forgiveness for mistakes in his past....


I think that when one actually goes out of their way to convert to a religion, ANY religion...there is alot of studying and soul searching involved and you tend to take it much more seriously than some who have actually been raised in the same religion. For Gingrich to say these things about his infidelity may sound hilarious to some...but this is what Catholocism teaches. He WAS unfaithful, DID leave his wife and is now remarried to the woman he left her for. To truly become a Catholic he would have had to ask God's forgiveness and he may as well say it if he's going to run for President.

And I tell you...if anyone were to try & have a field day with it, it would probably be the liberal biased mainstream media more than the Democratic Party. I think the Dems would know better than to try & get him on THAT.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Yes, you're right, Edwards did not leave his wife. That doesn't excuse his behavior. The fact that it was during a campaign makes no difference either. He was campaigning for office. AND, the fact the Elizabeth was in remission doesn't make an affair acceptable...


Just for the record I hope you don't think I was actually defending John Edwards.

The 'in remission' statement was his. I like to put it out there every now & then and since his name was brought up....
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Yes, you're right, Edwards did not leave his wife. That doesn't excuse his behavior. The fact that it was during a campaign makes no difference either. He was campaigning for office. AND, the fact the Elizabeth was in remission doesn't make an affair acceptable...


Just for the record I hope you don't think I was actually defending John Edwards.

The 'in remission' statement was his. I like to put it out there every now & then and since his name was brought up....



Actually I did although I couldn't imagine why you'd defend him. eek LOL Makes sense now. Thanks for the clarification.

TIS
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
...Gingrich has been married three times...


Thanks, olivant...I got it now. I had forgotten about that first marriage.

1st wife Jackie Battley
2nd wife Marianne Ginther
3rd (and present) wife Callista Bisek

And so what he can't be taken seriously for is not that he's been married 3 times & left each wife for the next...but that he's converted to Catholocism and asked God's forgiveness.

I'm sure it'll be worth a try...
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 07:29 PM

It's probably not going to be a major factor in 2012.

JFK's religion was a factor in the 1960 election. After that, few Americans knew, or cared, that Barry Goldwater's running mate in '64, Congressman Bill Miller from upstate NY, was Catholic.

Nelson Rockefeller divorced his wife of 30+ years and remarried to a woman 18 years his junior, who left her husband and kids for him, not long before he ran for the GOP nomination in '64. The divorce hurt him. But Ronald Reagan swept the GOP nomination, and the presidential race in 1980, on a family-friendly platform despite having divorced his first wife years earlier, and being estranged from one of his children.

Geri Ferraro raised a lot of eyebrows when she became the Dem VP nominee in '84. Not many blinked in '08 when Sarah Palin got the GOP VP nod.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 07:46 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Yes, you're right, Edwards did not leave his wife. That doesn't excuse his behavior. The fact that it was during a campaign makes no difference either. He was campaigning for office. AND, the fact the Elizabeth was in remission doesn't make an affair acceptable. She HAD cancer. She died of cancer. Scum is scum and both these guys are just that.

smile

TIS


clap
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 09:25 PM

So I guess he is telling us that if he is elected President he won't work that hard - that way there is no risk of inappropriate behavior. I have to admit, that is one of the lamest excuses I have ever heard. Maybe he and Edwards can team up and teach an ethics and morality course at some college.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 09:59 PM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
... he's converted to Catholocism ...




The true religion!
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/11 10:02 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
... he's converted to Catholocism ...

The true religion!


confused
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/11/11 02:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
It's probably not going to be a major factor in 2012.

JFK's religion was a factor in the 1960 election. After that, few Americans knew, or cared, that Barry Goldwater's running mate in '64, Congressman Bill Miller from upstate NY, was Catholic.


People forget about Al Smith's 1928 campaign, where his Catholicism did play a considerable part in his defeat. That and he was "Wet" when Prohibition was still publicly supported.

Regarding '12 and Religion, How about Mitt Romney's Mormonism?

Locally here in East Tennessee back in the '08 primaries, Mittens was only referenced not for RomneyCare or managing the Olympics or even his father. No he was The Mormon. Like Smith and JFK's Catholicism was used against them, backwoods people and their ignorant fear of religious sects they both don't understand (Magic underwear?) and...

Well, how many Mormons do you know personally?

Huckabee in '08 played on that card when he told reporters he "heard" and was "displeased" with people claiming Mormons worshipped Satan.

Now where and from who did he "hear" this from? Why he never mentioned it, but he did conveniently use that excuse to slip that intolerable hateful thing out into public to influence the Evangelical GOP base.

Imagine if Palin runs. Her people will play this garbage without skill or subtlety. Newt and his coded speeches will too I'm sure. And knowing politics, if Mittens gets the GOP nomination, it'll be used against him too by the other side.

~And this from somebody who really doesn't care much for Mittens the shamelessly pandering used car salesman. He's almost the blue blooded Bill Clinton, but without the charm.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/16/11 04:27 AM

Ron Paul supporter files complaint against Donald Trump

Quote:
Supporters of the Texas congressman, who is contemplating a 2012 White House bid, have tussled with the real estate mogul/presidential hopeful before, notably over whether Paul could get elected president.

The complaint by Shawn Michael Thompson stems from the recent visit by Trump Executive Vice President Michael Cohen, who flew on Trump's jet to Des Moines. Thompson alleges in his complaint that the plane trip violates campaign-finance law because Trump hasn't filed the necessary paperwork to show that he is officially testing the waters for the presidency.



http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...l-election--1/1
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/18/11 02:16 AM

Pawlenty's "Southern" drawl takes Minnesotans by surprise

Quote:
On a trip to Iowa last week, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty attracted attention not for his policy positions, but for the way he was speaking. Many people thought they heard him using a southern accent.

Back in Pawlenty's home state of Minnesota, an MPR News listener said when he heard a report on the Pawlenty speech on the radio, he couldn't believe who it was.

"I didn't understand where the accent came from," said Mike Supina, a St. Paul architect. "He sounded like he was from Arkansas."



Quote:
Pawlenty, who lives in Eagan, is from the south — South St. Paul, that is. MPR News asked a few people at Pro Pharmacy in downtown South St. Paul to listen to part of Pawlenty's Iowa speech.

All but one had no idea it was their city's native son speaking.

"He didn't even talk like that when he was governor," Lois Simon said, adding that he sounded like George Bush.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/03/16/pawlenty-southern-drawl/


You know I would expect this from Romney. I hope he doesn't get any ideas.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/18/11 01:28 PM

Well I think that anyone who speaks with a southern drawl should be precluded from the Presidency whistle.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 03/18/11 03:11 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well I think that anyone who speaks with a southern drawl should be precluded from the Presidency whistle.


lol lol I couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/11 05:54 AM

No folks, this isn't a gag.

Poll: Charlie Sheen beats Palin

Quote:
Asked whether they would vote for Sarah Palin or Charlie Sheen in the 2012 Presidential election, Independents choose Sheen by 41 percent to 36 percent.

Source: PPP


Wow.
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/11 01:46 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
No folks, this isn't a gag.

Poll: Charlie Sheen beats Palin

Quote:
Asked whether they would vote for Sarah Palin or Charlie Sheen in the 2012 Presidential election, Independents choose Sheen by 41 percent to 36 percent.

Source: PPP



Wow.


I second that Wow.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/11 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By: MaryCas
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
No folks, this isn't a gag.

Poll: Charlie Sheen beats Palin

Quote:
Asked whether they would vote for Sarah Palin or Charlie Sheen in the 2012 Presidential election, Independents choose Sheen by 41 percent to 36 percent.

Source: PPP



Wow.


I second that Wow.


i probably should get a plane ticket to Switzerland pretty soon since i have no faith at all with the voters any more
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/11 07:48 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
...I think that anyone who speaks with a southern drawl should be precluded from the Presidency...



Well gee, since 3 of the past 6 Presidents had one (Carter, Clinton, and Bush 43)...I would guess the majority of American voters don't share that POV.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/11 08:05 PM

I'm waiting to see the Left's reaction to Obama's decision about Libya.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/11 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
...I think that anyone who speaks with a southern drawl should be precluded from the Presidency...



Well gee, since 3 of the past 6 Presidents had one (Carter, Clinton, and Bush 43)...I would guess the majority of American voters don't share that POV.


I agree. (Please! Someone! Stop me before I agree again!). What's a southern accent have to do with the Presidential qualifications. I can visualize that amendment debate in Congress and state legislatures. Hell, while we're at it, how about liking possum stew and grits, hogback and chitterlings?
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/11 08:35 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
...I agree. (Please! Someone! Stop me before I agree again!)...


It's too late. You have stepped over to the dark side one time too many.

Nobeody can help...you belong to me now.

BWHA...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/11 09:30 PM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Originally Posted By: olivant
...I agree. (Please! Someone! Stop me before I agree again!)...


It's too late. You have stepped over to the dark side one time too many.

Nobeody can help...you belong to me now.

BWHA...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!


"I leap unto my God."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/21/11 01:19 AM

PPP: Ohio '12

Quote:
2012 President

50% Obama (D), 38% Gingrich (R)
48% Obama (D), 41% Huckabee (R)
52% Obama (D), 36% Palin (R)
46% Obama (D), 40% Romney (R)

Obama Job Approval

47% Approve, 46% Disapprove

Favorable / Unfavorable

Newt Gingrich: 24 / 56
Mike Huckabee: 36 / 42
Sarah Palin: 31 / 59
Mitt Romney: 33 / 43


Fun Fact: GOP has never won the White House without Ohio.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/21/11 12:49 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
...Fun Fact: GOP has never won the White House without Ohio.


Your 'Fun Fact' reminded me of an unintentionally hilarious moment during Election Night 2004, during which incumbent Bush already had a decent lead over Sen. John Kerry.

Dan Rather was desperately reciting to Bob Schieffer the electorial mathematics of how Kerry might come back even if Bush took Ohio. After listening patiently, Schieffer simply replied: "Kerry can't win without Ohio."

Back after these commercial messages...
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/21/11 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
...I think that anyone who speaks with a southern drawl should be precluded from the Presidency...

Well gee, since 3 of the past 6 Presidents had one (Carter, Clinton, and Bush 43)...I would guess the majority of American voters don't share that POV.

I agree. (Please! Someone! Stop me before I agree again!). What's a southern accent have to do with the Presidential qualifications. I can visualize that amendment debate in Congress and state legislatures. Hell, while we're at it, how about liking possum stew and grits, hogback and chitterlings?

Christ Almighty, I was joking lol. Although the drawl didn't work out very well for Carter or Bush, did it? tongue
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/21/11 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
... Although the drawl didn't work out very well for Carter or Bush, did it?...


Not too sure about that.

Carter - One Term
Clinton & Bush - Two Terms.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/25/11 02:24 PM

Carter, Dubya, and Clinton.

So two mediocre uninspiring (at best) guys and Clinton, who as the most liked ex-President alive is probably more popular (by rose-tinted glasses) now than when he left office, when he exited with the highest Gallup-polled approval rating for an outgoing President.

But even taking a step back into reality, what was Clinton's accomplishments? Name one that didn't involve the economy whether balancing the budget or NAFTA or the Wall Street upswing? OK the NATO intervention in the Balkans, but what else?

Clinton, whether an insult or a honest analysis, is the Democratic Calvin Coolidge. Now that's an obscure political science reference for y'all.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/25/11 02:31 PM

Now the Tea Party's champion has thrown their hat into the '12 ring.

Michelle Bachmann to run for President

Quote:
Minnesota Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann plans to file papers for a potential US presidential bid in June, and possibly even earlier.

A source close to Bachmann told CNN that she may the file papers to form a presidential exploratory committee even earlier than June so she can take part in early Republican presidential debates.

“She’s been telling everyone early June,” the source said. “But nothing is static.”
Three GOP presidential primary debates are planned before and during early June: The first one on May 2 at the Ronald Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California and another on May 5 in South Carolina. CNN plans a GOP presidential primary debate in New Hampshire in early June.

CNN also reports that a complete team for Iowa, a crucial state to win in the primaries, will be completed by the end of the weekend. Iowa Republican state Sen. Kent Sorenson, a favorite among Tea Party members, will head the team.



So Palin but without the tabloid, target sights baggage? Awesome. For those who don't know about Bachmann, here is a reminder.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/25/11 03:10 PM

To paraphrase a fatal Kerry saying: I was for the war before I was against it.

Newt Attacks Obama For Bombing Libya Weeks After Demanding Obama Bomb Libya

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/...-bomb-libya.php
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/25/11 04:09 PM

Bachmann is so very very out there that if she won the nomination it would be tantamount to giving the election away. And there's a good chance there might be another SC opening after 2012. You never know. So I think to the extent that they exist the Republican powers that be will ensure that Bachmann does not win.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 03/25/11 05:29 PM

I'm still trying to understand her statements about the Founding Fathers eliminating slavery and her praise for residents of New Hampshire since it was the location of the battle of Lexington and Concord.

"What I love about New Hampshire and what we have in common is our extreme love for liberty. You're the state where the shot was heard around the world in Lexington and Concord."
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 03/25/11 06:33 PM

The GOP is not going to nominate any of the clowns or duds whose names we see bandied about every day unless they think
Obama is unbeatable If they think they have a chance to take the White House after the primaries, you'll see a deadlocked convention and a "reluctant" Jeb Bush accepting the noomination on the second ballot.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/25/11 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Bachmann is so very very out there that if she won the nomination it would be tantamount to giving the election away. And there's a good chance there might be another SC opening after 2012. You never know. So I think to the extent that they exist the Republican powers that be will ensure that Bachmann does not win.


I would laugh with you, since someone else said the same about Palin'12. Then I read that new Gallup poll (to be posted later) and...I can't just dimiss either figures.

As much as we want to dismiss Bachmann as a hack, she effectively is Palin without the tabloid baggage and the Tucson "blood libel" major PR screwups. (aside from the embarrasing "Tea Party Response," which even then gave her some national exposure.)

Problem with the Tea Party is, its too small to take over the RNC and implement party policy yet its too big to to be ignored. Thus the last 2 years we've had a inner-party civil war between the Teabaggers and the establishment. A good example of this recently and telling was GOP firing Michael Steele as RNC chairman in their party election, despite Steele being head of the organization during the massive House landslide victory and gained several Senate seats. He became a casualty because he wasn't acceptable enough tot he Teabagger delegates.

'12 looks like such a fluid unpredictable field. What else can explain Newt Gingrich in the double digits? That's bullshit. Not saying Bachmann/Palin will be the nominee, but the fact they still contend still leaves open that possiblity.


Originally Posted By: dontomasso
The GOP is not going to nominate any of the clowns or duds whose names we see bandied about every day unless they think
Obama is unbeatable If they think they have a chance to take the White House after the primaries, you'll see a deadlocked convention and a "reluctant" Jeb Bush accepting the noomination on the second ballot.


I could see the Establishment and Tea Party much earlier in the primaries settle upon a compromise candidate. The one problem with your scenario is it makes sense for the Democrats and their convention formula of proportional delegates, while the GOP's primary format of winner-takes-all makes such a deadlock less likely. Which was sorta the point of that decision in the first place: Weed out the competition quickly and find their candidate.

But jesus all these candidates suck. I know the Pawlenty camp think he's that "compromise" candidate, but ever seen Timmy?

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/25/11 07:48 PM

Did anyone see Gingrich last night on Greta? His face looked bruised or otherwise injured or blotched.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 03/25/11 08:20 PM

Gingrich is truly a disgusting human being. Did he ever pay back the money Bob Dole loaned him to bail him out of some kind of fine in the '90's?

I especially liked Gingrich railing against Obama two weeks ago for not going into Libya, and now railing against him for going into Libya.

Hey how about a Barbor-Gingrich ticket? They could call themselves the "GOP Heavyweights."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/11 01:24 PM

Gallup: '12 GOP Field

Huckabee 19%
Romney 15%
Palin 12%
Gingrich 10%

If Huckabee doesn't run

Romney 19%
Palin 17%
Gingrich 13%
Paul 8%

If Palin doesn't run

Huckabee 23%
Romney 16%
Gingrich 12%

If Palin/Huckabee both don't run

Romney 22%
Gingrich 16%
Paul 9%
Bachmann 7%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146792/Huckabee-Slight-Edge-Palin-Down-GOP-Preferences.aspx
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/11 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Gallup: '12 GOP Field

Huckabee 19%
Romney 15%
Palin 12%
Gingrich 10%

If Huckabee doesn't run

Romney 19%
Palin 17%
Gingrich 13%
Paul 8%

If Palin doesn't run

Huckabee 23%
Romney 16%
Gingrich 12%

If Palin/Huckabee both don't run

Romney 22%
Gingrich 16%
Paul 9%
Bachmann 7%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146792/Huckabee-Slight-Edge-Palin-Down-GOP-Preferences.aspx


lets hope for the best that the third option happens
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/11 04:53 PM



I still have a hunch that the GOP's golden boy, Christie will run even though he says not. Btw, isn't there a date by which you must "announce" that you are gonna run? I wanna say June????? Or is it open? confused


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/11 04:56 PM

If Christie wants to run...I would wait till summer at the earliest. Let these also-rans beat up on Huckabee/Romney/Palin and then he can ride in excitement as the savior.

Or Anne Coulter's savior at least. Until he gets torn down to their level.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/11 04:59 PM

Oh, and let's not forget Donald Trump. Talk about a mish mosh of people. lol



TIS
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/11 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
...Obama is unbeatable...


Yes.

He'll 'squeak by in re-election.'

On the other hand...

"Its more of a "no confidence" vote...If more people have no confidence in Obama in 2012 than not, he loses. If not, he wins. It is that simple."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/11 01:21 AM

TIS - The idea of a Trump '12 campaign is amusing. The ultimate ego stroking for Donald, and with how fluid that GOP field is...its his best chance.

God knows we need Trump to make the primaries fun, especially with the NFZ (No Fun Zone) that is Pawlenty.

(Only in America could actors get elected Governors, NBA players get elected mayors, comics become Congressmen, and a reality TV star become President?)

Appleonya - Basically, or 3 elements: Economy, Foreign Affairs, and the opponent.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 03/28/11 12:53 AM

Don't forget that one of the most popular presidents was an actor by profession. The comic isn't a congressman - he's a Senator! Remember Sonny Bono was the mayor of Palm Springs and then became a congressman. Or Gopher from the Love Boat that became a congressman. Jim Ryun, the runner, became a congressman from Kansas. We have an ex NFL lineman as a congressman from NJ.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 03/28/11 01:03 AM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Yes, you're right, Edwards did not leave his wife. That doesn't excuse his behavior. The fact that it was during a campaign makes no difference either. He was campaigning for office. AND, the fact the Elizabeth was in remission doesn't make an affair acceptable...


Just for the record I hope you don't think I was actually defending John Edwards.

The 'in remission' statement was his. I like to put it out there every now & then and since his name was brought up....


I was laughing when I first read this a while ago as I tried to picture you defending John Edwards. That would be as likely as you defending Jon Corzine, or his predecessor, the gay American.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/28/11 01:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Don't forget that one of the most popular presidents was an actor by profession. The comic isn't a congressman - he's a Senator! Remember Sonny Bono was the mayor of Palm Springs and then became a congressman. Or Gopher from the Love Boat that became a congressman. Jim Ryun, the runner, became a congressman from Kansas. We have an ex NFL lineman as a congressman from NJ.


Thanks for pointing that out. Don't forget Steve Largent, the Seahawks great, Congressman of Oklahoma, Lynn Swann who could have ended up Governor of Pennsylvania, and Clint Eastwood as Mayor of Carmel, CA.

One of the great things about America is that we get to choose who we want to represent us and that those who do represent us are drawn from all components of the Nation's population.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/28/11 02:55 AM

Don't forget Heath Schuler in North Carolina, former football QB at University of Tennessee.

Or John Hall of New York, who was a member of the 70s music group Orleans ("Dance with Me," "Love Takes Time," "Still the One.")

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Don't forget that one of the most popular presidents was an actor by profession.


And for that matter, he was also President of the Screen Actors Guild, and thus our only President who was also leader of a labor union.

(would today's GOP even give such a figure with such a background a chance in the national arena? I'm certain Anne Coulter wouldn't have approved of him.)

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
The comic isn't a congressman - he's a Senator!


True but he was elected to a house of Congress, so just a difference of terminology. Besides they're all jokers if you ask me.

Originally Posted By: olivant
One of the great things about America is that we get to choose who we want to represent us and that those who do represent us are drawn from all components of the Nation's population.


We are very lucky in that regard, and that really adds dimensions when you see people elsewhere around the world get the shit beaten out of them or imprisoned or murdered just because they publicly say they want that right.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/29/11 07:27 AM

So possible '12 candidate (I can't believe I typed that) Donald Trump pulled the Birther card.



And sorta backfires.

Quote:
Trump fails to produce birth certificate

Donald Trump made headlines earlier today when he provided what he said was a copy of his birth certificate -- but a quick check reveals it's actually not an official document.

The paper that Trump released says "Jamaica Hospital" on top and lists the date and time of what he says was his birth to "Mr. and Mrs. Fred C. Trump." The piece of paper has a seal at the bottom.

But after several New York City-based readers contacted POLITICO's Maggie Haberman, her call to city officials revealed that an actual birth certificate, which is issued by the Department of Health, would have the agency's seal and also a signature of the city registrar - neither of which the Trump document has. Officials said the city Health Department is the "sole issuing authority" of official birth certificates in New York, and that the document would clearly say so, and "city officials said it's not an official document."

It appears instead to be a hospital "certificate of birth," meaning the piece of paper the hospital gave to his family saying he was born. Such a document typically has the signature of the hospital administrator and the attending physician.

Source: Politico


And Ben Smith is just being mean with his last paragraph:

Quote:
Trump's mother, it should be noted, was born in Scotland, which is not part of the United States. His plane is registered in the Bahamas, also a foreign country. This fact pattern -- along with the wave of new questions surrounding what he claims is a birth certificate -- raises serious doubts about his eligibility to serve as President of the United States.



David Frum

Quote:
Question to discuss: Is Donald Trump crazy? Or does he just hold a very, very, very low opinion of the Republican primary voter?
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 03/29/11 08:41 AM

Quote:
Question to discuss: Is Donald Trump crazy?


Yes.

End of discussion. lol
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 03/30/11 01:58 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Quote:
Question to discuss: Is Donald Trump crazy?


Yes.

End of discussion. lol


I agree, SC. All he needed to add was that Obama was a terrorist-loving, communist Muslim and Fox News would have given him his own daily show on the spot.

Trump talks a good game from the sidelines. If he wants to throw his hat in the political arena (which I doubt), hell be ripped apart and I think he knows it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/30/11 05:09 AM

If he and his hair (a national treasure) do run, his opponents will inevitably (and very quickly) bring up about that time when Trump had invited over a certain Libyan dictator as a guest on his property.

(or if we're talking substance, how somehow a casino of his in Atlantic City went bankrupt? Or his USFL days where he and his media whoring cost that league their Anti-Trust lawsuit against the NFL.)

But as I said before, a Trump run would be fun for an otherwise dull lackluster primary field. He's got his own money, never been accused of shying away from giving an opinion (asked or not), and has a sense of humor about his reputation.



But if he is serious about '12, he's got to stop making mickey mouse mistakes (like the Birth Certificate) which make him look foolish.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 03/30/11 12:54 PM

I don't see any reason for Trump not to run in this watered down political age of ours. If you remember back when H. Ross Perot ran in '92, he tabbed himself as a shrewd and seasoned businessman who could turn the economy around, but then he was completely embarrased on a national televised debate by Al Gore when discussion of the economy came up. In hindsight, that wasn't so much a knock on Perot's business sense but a credit to just how smart Gore and Clinton were.

But that was then and this is now. Obama ran and won on his celebrity status more than anything else, and neither he nor Biden have someone like Al Gore's knowledge on economic matters. No reason Trump couldn't hold his own against either of those guys in a debate. I mean it's not like Obama had much experience at all before he came to Washington. So no, I don't see any reason for the Donald not to throw his celebrity hat into the ring along with the other celebrity candidates such as Obama and Palin, in an electoral process that has clearly become more about popularity and less about substance.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 03/30/11 01:29 PM

There's no way Trump runs for real, and there is one simple reason:

Financial Disclosure.

Trump has kept his finances very private because as a real estate promoter, and as a plain promoter in general he needs to maintain the appearance that he is worth a great deal more than he really is. He's gone broke before, and a couple of years ago he sued and blocked publication of information that
allegedly placed his net worth at about $200 million. Thats a lot to most of us, but Trump would have us think he is worth billions, but he isn't. Trump ' s birther business is more than crazy, but the bottom line is that Trump is all about getting publicity for Trump, and this whole political thing is just one more way for him to do it.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/30/11 01:54 PM

If Trump really believes what he's saying, like Nugent or Orly Taitz or Corsi or other whack jobs, that would almost be more acceptable than someone who repeats a lie, knowing full well it's a lie.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/30/11 02:30 PM

He's probably building something - a casino or a new skyscraper, and is relishing all the free publicity. There is no way that he's running for real.

Perot on the other hand, after getting his guys out of Iran when our government was incapable of doing the same, truly believed he could help the country. That's a big difference. Trump only wants to help Trump.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 04/01/11 02:03 AM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
There's no way Trump runs for real, and there is one simple reason:

Financial Disclosure.

Trump has kept his finances very private because as a real estate promoter, and as a plain promoter in general he needs to maintain the appearance that he is worth a great deal more than he really is. He's gone broke before, and a couple of years ago he sued and blocked publication of information that
allegedly placed his net worth at about $200 million. Thats a lot to most of us, but Trump would have us think he is worth billions, but he isn't. Trump ' s birther business is more than crazy, but the bottom line is that Trump is all about getting publicity for Trump, and this whole political thing is just one more way for him to do it.


Bingo!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/01/11 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
There's no way Trump runs for real, and there is one simple reason:

Financial Disclosure.

Trump has kept his finances very private because as a real estate promoter, and as a plain promoter in general he needs to maintain the appearance that he is worth a great deal more than he really is. He's gone broke before, and a couple of years ago he sued and blocked publication of information that
allegedly placed his net worth at about $200 million. Thats a lot to most of us, but Trump would have us think he is worth billions, but he isn't. Trump ' s birther business is more than crazy, but the bottom line is that Trump is all about getting publicity for Trump, and this whole political thing is just one more way for him to do it.

That really makes the most sense. God forbid "The Donald" had to admit he's "only" worth 200 million or so, what would his neighbors think? rolleyes

He's probably made more money in his second career as a shameless, self-promoting, reality television star, than he ever did as a realtor.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/04/11 06:01 PM

The real debate is, who would have the better teflon hair? Romney or Trump?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/04/11 06:02 PM

I heard Romney shaves his pubes.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/04/11 06:02 PM

The first Obama '12 campaign ad.



Wow. Anybody got macaroni to go with this cheese?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/04/11 07:29 PM

And no Republican has officially thrown his/her hat in yet????? Or was there one off the wall type person???? confused They sure aren't in any big hurry are they? lol My hunch, they are all hoping & praying that Christie will enter the race. I say he will.



TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 04/04/11 07:36 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
And no Republican has officially thrown his/her hat in yet????? Or was there one off the wall type person???? confused They sure aren't in any big hurry are they? lol My hunch, they are all hoping & praying that Christie will enter the race. I say he will.

TIS


Well Newt "I've got women in California, New York and in between/It's a full time operation trying to keep my business clean" Gingrich has thought about setting up an exploratory committee. But he hasn't formally declared.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/04/11 07:50 PM

Hi Lilo! Did you go see Charlie Sheen? lol


I don't think Newt(a woman in every state) will run. Just as I don't think Trump will run. However, does Newt get to keep any money he raised on the pretense that he was (or might) run? How does that work?


TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 04/04/11 08:43 PM

No, I didn't go see Charlie Sheen. I think I had to clean my dog's teeth or empty the gasoline out of the snowblower that night-something more interesting. tongue

I'm not sure exactly how that works either, TIS.
Unless and until you actually declare as a candidate you don't have to make formal disclosures.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/candidate_registration_brochure.pdf

So theoretically you COULD form a presidential exploratory committee and spend the money on the greater good of TIS but presumably there are other laws preventing that. smile
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/04/11 10:09 PM

If I remember right, a candidate can keep its fundraising earned from a campaign in an account after an election. It can be saved for a future campaign or given to other candidates said candidate is supporting.

And in declaring regards, Pawlenty announced an exploratory committee. Which is a sign that Mr. Charisma is running.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/11 01:11 AM

Well, if I understand the article Lilo posted I don't think he needs to report money made at this point. If he becomes an official candidate, he must report anything over $5,000, including the money paid for polling and such that he may be doing now.

It just seems he's doing a lot of talking and hinting, but I'm guessing in the end he won't run. confused


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/11 03:56 AM

Speaking of public disclosures...

Huckabee's Camp destroy Gubernatorial Records?

Quote:
In February, Mother Jones wrote to the office of Arkansas Gov. Mike Beebe seeking access to a variety of records concerning his predecessor's tenure, including Huckabee's travel records, calendars, call logs, and emails. Beebe's chief legal counsel, Tim Gauger, replied in a letter that "former Governor Huckabee did not leave behind any hard-copies of the types of documents you seek. Moreover, at that time, all of the computers used by former Governor Huckabee and his staff had already been removed from the office and, as we understand it, the hard-drives in those computers had already been 'cleaned' and physically destroyed."

He added, "In short, our office does not possess, does not have access to, and is not the custodian of any of the records you seek."


Quote:
In January 2007, Parsons requested "a copy of all information" on the Huckabee administration's computers the day he left office. Beebe's office provided Parsons with a January 9 memo addressed to Huckabee from the Arkansas Department of Information Systems, reporting that all of the gubernatorial hard drives had been "crushed under the supervision of a designee of [Huckabee's] office." That is, a Huckabee aide had made sure all this information was destroyed.

The memo included another tantalizing piece of information: The information stored on the drives had been saved on a backup, which was handed over to Huckabee's then-chief of staff, Brenda Turner. The history of the Huckabee administration, then, was locked away, under the watchful eye of a former aide. What did she do with this information? Where is it now? Turner, who now runs the PR shop for a Arkansas-based purveyor of Christian-themed greeting cards, did not respond to repeated requests for comment. (Contacted via his political action committee, Huckabee didn't respond to questions about his records.)


Quote:
What do the Huckabee files hold? The records could provide details on any number of unsettled controversies involving a governor that faced at least 15 ethics complaints concerning, among other things: his failure to report gifts and outside income, his alleged use of state funds and resources for political and personal purposes, and the pardon of a convicted murderer and rapist who went on to kill again once released.


Quote:
Huckabee's aversion to public disclosure extends beyond his gubernatorial papers. He and his handlers have also taken steps to block access to videotapes of his sermons, spanning his 12 years as a Southern Baptist minister before he entered politics. During the 2008 campaign, Mother Jones reported that Huckabee's campaign had refused to make the sermons public—and that, according to an official at one of the churches he'd led, much of the archival material relating to Huckabee's tenure had been destroyed.

Source: Mother Jones


I'm reminded of how Jimmy Carter (allegedly) has kept a tight seal on his Georgia governorship records from historians and other nosey noses. Why? Who knows.

(Which really isn't necessary, since everybody already knows he used race baiting this side of Bob Corker to get elected Governor in '70.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/11 06:42 PM

Michelle Bachman earlier today apparently snagged Huckabee's '08 campaign director to run her own presidential run.

Laugh, but she's a more serious candidate for that nomination than alot of people (especially on the GOP establishment) want to believe.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/11 09:17 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Michelle Bachman earlier today apparently snagged Huckabee's '08 campaign director to run her own presidential run.

Laugh, but she's a more serious candidate for that nomination than alot of people (especially on the GOP establishment) want to believe.



RR, you know what? I won't laugh because anything is possible. From all indications Bachman is loved not only in not only Minnesota, but I hear Iowa as well, and of course in the TP circles. She can draw a crowd, raise lots of money and spins a good yarn(although many times inaccurate yarns). lol

She has more energy and spunk then any of the other boring candidates so far. She'll give the other R's a good run for their money. Once Christie throws his hat in the ring, that'll be her main competition. Then, barring anything major snags, IMHO they'll both die down in popularity and Obama will win a second term.


TIS
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/11 09:40 PM

At first, I really thought Obama wouldn't last in the next election. But now, considering his opponents, I think he would make a good change for a second term.

I really don't see a Mike Huckabee going to be president, but then again I'm just someone from the Netherlands. wink
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 09:58 AM

I would be very surprised if Michele "You can see the crazy in my eyes, just look" Bachmann gets any support beyond a very small coterie of like minded people.

I think the true 2012 Republican Candidate has yet to reveal himself (herself)
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO



I'm reminded of how Jimmy Carter (allegedly) has kept a tight seal on his Georgia governorship records from historians and other nosey noses. Why? Who knows.

(Which really isn't necessary, since everybody already knows he used race baiting this side of Bob Corker to get elected Governor in '70.) [/quote]


Carter is such a tight ass control freak there's no telling why he kept his records secret.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 04:52 PM

Is anyone following the Supreme Court Justice election in Wisconsin? 99per cent of precints reporting and only a 224 difference. eek Talk about "dead heat." A recount for sure.

Joanne Kloppenburg

739,574


50%
David Prosser (inc)

739,350
50%
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I heard Romney shaves his pubes.


According to my sources at Fox News, Romney has a neatly trimmed landing strip down there. His wife however is completely shaved.

Would you do her pb?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 05:48 PM

Glenn Beck signs new deal with Fox, but daily show will end
April 6, 2011, 12:39 PM EST By Dylan Stableford TheWrap

Fox News and Glenn Beck have announced a new deal -- one that will see Beck's slumping 5 p.m. show end later this year.

In a carefully-worded statement, Fox News and Mercury Radio Arts, Beck's production company, announced that they "will work together to develop and produce a variety of television projects for air on the FOX News Channel (FNC) as well as content for other platforms including FOX News' digital properties."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 06:58 PM

Olivant - So in other words Beck is fired without being fired. I know O'Reilly is breathing a sigh of relief. And I wish I had cable (on vacation at the moment) so I could see Joe Scarborough's smug glee at Beck's dismantling tomorrow morning.

VinnyG - I would do her. Just don't make me read Mittens' favorite book BATTLEFIELD EARTH*, and its a deal.

TIS - maybe its just me, but the idea of electing/voting out judges is just wrong?

Originally Posted By: dontomasso


Carter is such a tight ass control freak there's no telling why he kept his records secret.


Yeah no kidding.

*=Not a bad if culbersome 1,000 page book written by a scam artist who created a wacky church. Also source for possibly the worst major motion picture produced in our lifetime.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 07:12 PM

[quote=ronnierocketAGO]


TIS - maybe its just me, but the idea of electing/voting out judges is just wrong?



RR,

I agree.

It doesn't seem right that's for sure. Actually it doesn't seem legal. confused

That aside though, this was suppose to be a real cakewalk for Prosser.


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Glenn Beck signs new deal with Fox, but daily show will end
April 6, 2011, 12:39 PM EST By Dylan Stableford TheWrap

Fox News and Glenn Beck have announced a new deal -- one that will see Beck's slumping 5 p.m. show end later this year.

In a carefully-worded statement, Fox News and Mercury Radio Arts, Beck's production company, announced that they "will work together to develop and produce a variety of television projects for air on the FOX News Channel (FNC) as well as content for other platforms including FOX News' digital properties."


A way of clipping Beck's wings without actually pulling the plug on him all together. I guess Fox feels they owe him that much. I have no idea why, because he's already become a very rich man with their backing. If they fired him, they'd have nothing to feel guilty about. That's showbiz.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 07:22 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
And I wish I had cable (on vacation at the moment)

Where are you vacationing, son?
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 07:29 PM

I'd like to think the cancelling of Keith Olbermann and now Glenn Beck's programs are part of an effort to tone down the political bantering on both sides. After the shooting in Arizona I think networks like msnbc came under fire, and it was only a matter of time before the Right had to own up to their part in the increasing hostile political climate that cable news has helped foster the past years. That and the fact that Glen Beck types were costing Republicans any chance they had at winning back the Presidency amongst more moderate and independent voters.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 07:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
I'd like to think the cancelling of Keith Olbermann and now Glenn Beck's programs are part of an effort to tone down the political bantering on both sides.

I agee. It's almost like Fox and MSNBC got together like a couple of mob bosses to decide who should go on both sides to keep the peace lol.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 07:37 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
TIS - maybe its just me, but the idea of electing/voting out judges is just wrong?



I'm not so sure the appointment by a single elected official is any better.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 07:43 PM

I think that's about right, Pb. There will always be cruel and bitter differences of opinion on a variety of issues in the world, but I don't think these networks are doing anyone any good by promoting and profiting from it each night.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 07:45 PM

And off topic, but I think some board members should be required to take a deprovera shot before they're allowed to post in gen. discussion..... lol tongue
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
[quote=ronnierocketAGO]


TIS - maybe its just me, but the idea of electing/voting out judges is just wrong?



RR,

I agree.

It doesn't seem right that's for sure. Actually it doesn't seem legal. confused

That aside though, this was suppose to be a real cakewalk for Prosser.


TIS


i remember that 3 iowa judges got voted out by the religious/ignorant people for approving gay marriages back in november
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/11 09:16 PM

Not a good start for his campaign:

Pawlenty aide in Iowa suspended after arrest

Quote:
A staffer for former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty's presidential exploratory committee in Iowa was suspended Wednesday after being arrested on charges of public intoxication and trespassing.

Des Moines television station and CNN affiliate KCCI reported that Benjamin Foster was arrested around 3 a.m. on Wednesday, when an Ankeny family awoke to find him trying to get into the back door of their home and called the police.

Foster was hired by Pawlenty's political action committee in late 2010, making him the first full-time staffer for any potential campaign on the ground in Iowa. The state will hold the first contest of the 2012 Republican nomination fight early next year.

"Governor Pawlenty is extremely disappointed in Ben's actions and his behavior does not meet the standards he expects of his employees," said Eric Woolson, an adviser to Pawlenty's exploratory committee. "Therefore, the committee is placing Ben on a two-week unpaid suspension and expects him to bear the legal consequences for his action."

Source: CNN Political Ticker
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/07/11 04:05 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

RR, you know what? I won't laugh because anything is possible. From all indications Bachman is loved not only in not only Minnesota, but I hear Iowa as well, and of course in the TP circles. She can draw a crowd, raise lots of money and spins a good yarn(although many times inaccurate yarns). lol

She has more energy and spunk then any of the other boring candidates so far. She'll give the other R's a good run for their money. Once Christie throws his hat in the ring, that'll be her main competition. Then, barring anything major snags, IMHO they'll both die down in popularity and Obama will win a second term.

TIS


Originally Posted By: Lilo
I would be very surprised if Michele "You can see the crazy in my eyes, just look" Bachmann gets any support beyond a very small coterie of like minded people.

I think the true 2012 Republican Candidate has yet to reveal himself (herself)


Here's my argument for Bachmann, and I'm thinking of McGovern. He had an energetic grassroots campaign* (if not necessarily the candidate) that satisfied the bloodtaste of an angry insurgent anti-war base when every other has-been/never-will candidate in the field couldn't cut the mustard or had unacceptable flaws to them.

Hell Romney is practically asking to be compared to Ed Muskie. Muskie was a heavy favorite for the '72 nomination despite being pro-Vietnam (he was Humphrey's '68 running mate) simply because he could (briefly) outpoll Nixon. When that became untrue, his campaign died with him. Which former Governor does this remind you of?

Of all the candidates trying to appeal to the Teabaggers, Bachmann is the only one that is certifiably one of them without doing too much dancing or bullshitting, able to make those issue positions safely from her House seat protected by Gerrymandering. She is the "real deal," without the Palin baggage. Huckabee, Romney, and potentially Christie all have had to deal with the reality-based decisions they made as Governors. And she could pounce on them for that.

On paper of course.

*=Two young major campaign members: The Clintons. Bubba in fact ran the McGovern office in Texas. The national campaign was managed by Gary Hart, who before some "Monkey Business," was a strong candidate for President.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/07/11 04:23 AM

Well Trump has just been given more motivation (and ego stroking):

WSJ/NBC Poll - GOP '12

Romney 21%
Trump 17%
Huckabee 17%
Gingrich 11%
Palin 10%
Pawlenty 6%
Bachmann 5%
Santorum 3%
Barbour 1%

Quote:
Mr. Trump “may be a punch line but when he talks about the way to solve our problems, he makes a lot of sense to the average guy out there,” said Todd Mauney, a conservative Republican in Weatherford, Texas. “I don’t know if people can get over him being the butt of every joke but for me, he can be serious when it’s time to make real decisions.“


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/04/06/wsjnbc-poll-a-donald-trump-surprise/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/07/11 04:29 AM

More on The Donald. Remember Trump's recent snafu with the Birther business? He's doubling-down.

Trump Has Investigators in Hawaii

Quote:
Donald Trump told NBC News he has investigators in Hawaii looking into President Obama's birth certificate.

Said Trump: "I am saying I want to see the birth certificate. It's very simple. I want to see the birth certificate. How come his own family doesn't know which hospital he was born in? How come -- forget about birth certificates. Let's say there's no birth certificate. How come in the hospital itself, okay? This is one of the...in the hospital itself, there's no records of his birth. In other words, it doesn't say how much they paid, where is the doctor, here's your room bill."

Meredith Viera: "You've been privy to all of this to know this?"

Trump: "Well, I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're talking."

Viera: "You have people now out there searching -- I mean, in Hawaii?"

Trump: "Absolutely. And they cannot believe what they're finding. And I'm serious--"

Source: Political Wire


I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say nothing ever comes out of this "investigation."
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 04/07/11 01:04 PM

Trump is a master of attributing all kinds of things from unnamed "people." He is always saying "You cannot believe how many people are calling to say they support me." "My people this, my people that...." But these "people" never appear.

As I have said before, as soon as its time to show Income Tax Returns, Trump will bow out.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/07/11 03:24 PM

Everybody knows Donald Trump. I never was really one way or another about him. I assumed he was smart, I knew he was rich and although I never watch, I know of his tv show.

However, since he decided to "play" around with the thought of running for President, I have concluded that he is really sort of out there (putting it mildly) they way he's playing to the Tea Party nuts. I do remember (vaguely) hearing of his bankruptcy years ago and wasn't aware of, or didn't even consider that he might not want to reveal his finances should he run. That makes sense though. If that's true, that's good, because as smart as he is or thinks he is, he kind of is looking foolish if you ask me. YET, don't underestimate the power of fringe. He does have a following and by the latest polls (fwiw), ties for first place at this point. rolleyes

TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/07/11 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Trump is a master of attributing all kinds of things from unnamed "people." He is always saying "You cannot believe how many people are calling to say they support me." "My people this, my people that...." But these "people" never appear.

As I have said before, as soon as its time to show Income Tax Returns, Trump will bow out.



DT,

He was on a morning show today and said (regarding HIS investigation into Obama's birth certificate), that "you can't believe what they are finding." rolleyes


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/07/11 03:28 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
"you can't believe what they are finding."

Under Trump's weave?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/07/11 06:38 PM

Another pezzonovante tongue.

Trump Sends Investigators to Hawaii, Gains in GOP Presidential Primary Poll

WASHINGTON -- Real estate tycoon Donald Trump said Thursday he has real doubts about whether President Obama was born in the United States and has sent investigators to Hawaii looking for answers.

The "Celebrity Apprentice" star has shot up in the polls as a potential GOP nominee, in part on his questions about whether Obama is constitutionally allowed to be president if he doesn't prove he is a natural born citizen of the United States.

"I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding," Trump told NBC's "Today" show on Thursday.

Officials in Hawaii have certified Obama's citizenship, but a segment of society -- labeled "birthers" in the vernacular -- have demanded additional proof. Trump said when he started seriously considering a presidential bid a few weeks back, he thought the president was native-born, but now he's not so sure.

"His grandmother in Kenya said he was born in Kenya, and she was there and witnessed the birth. He doesn't have a birth certificate or he hasn't shown it. He has what's called a certificate of live birth. That is something that's easy to get," Trump said, arguing that Obama has spent $2 million in legal fees "to get away from this issue."

Calling it potentially one of the biggest scams in the history of politics, Trump said he'd like Obama to show his birth certificate.

"And to be honest with you, I hope he can," he told "Today."

Trump, who placed second in an NBC/ Wall Street Journal poll of potential 2012 Republican candidates, said he will decide by June whether to run, and if he is the GOP nominee, "I'd like to beat him straight up," not on the basis of the question of where Obama was born.

In the poll, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney leads the would-be group of contenders with 21 percent of Republican primary voters surveyed followed by Trump and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee at 17 percent each. The Republican primary poll was taken as part of a March 31-April 4 survey of 1,000 adults, but the sample survey of Republican primary voters polled was only 238.

In the poll, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich garnered 11 percent while former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin earned 10 percent support. Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty earned 6 percent, Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann got 5 percent, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum won 3 percent and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour received 1 percent support.

Asked in the interview how genuine his presidential ambition is, Trump, who would have to hand over the reins of his international empire in order to run the country, said, "I always take things seriously, but I've never taken it seriously like this. I wish I didn't have to do it."

But speaking on ABC News, New Jersey Republican Gov. Chris Christie, who is insistent he personally is not a candidate for president in 2012, said he wasn't sure his friend Trump would be either.

"Donald's a really good friend of mine, I don't know that Donald really wants to be president," Christie said in an interview that aired Wednesday night. Christie: I don't know that he wants that in particular. ... We've spoken about it and all I could say to you is, I’ll believe it when I see it."

Back on NBC, Trump said he wants Obama to do well but the presidency is not going that direction.

"I love this country, but this country is going to hell. ... The world laughs at us. They won't be laughing if I'm elected president," he said.

Trump accused Obama of conducting a confusing policy on the civil war in Libya, saying "nobody knows what's happening, and now it looks like (Libyan strongman Muammar) al-Qaddafi is going to beat the United States."

"I'm only interested in Libya if we get the oil," Trump said. He said Obama "doesn't have a doctrine (on foreign affairs.) Foreign affairs is, we take care of ourselves first."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/07/11 10:45 PM

Polling firm PPP released their own analysis of the surprising (to most I assume) Trump polling success. Agree or not?

Quote:
We did a national poll asking about Trump just two months ago in mid-February and found that only 31% of Republicans had a favorable opinion of him to 53% with a negative one. Fast forward seven weeks and our latest national poll for Daily Kos found that Trump's favorability with GOP voters is now a positive 40/33 spread. That represents a 29 point increase in his net favorability over just a very short period of time.

The strength Trump is showing in horse race polls is a less function of Republicans admiring him due to his being a prominent successful businessman for decades and much more a positive reaction to all his far right rhetoric just in the last few months.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/08/11 06:54 PM

You know what would be priceless?

Trump as President hosting a reality show like "The Apprentice," where the winner gets a cabinet position. Gary Busey and Meatloaf would probably do as good a job as some of the clowns we've seen lately lol.

If he were to run and win, do you think he'll "fire" Obama during his acceptance speech? lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/08/11 07:11 PM

I'll be honest: I thought initially this was a real spot until it revealed itself to be a joke.



Doesn't mean it's wrong though.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/08/11 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You know what would be priceless?

Trump as President hosting a reality show like "The Apprentice," where the winner gets a cabinet position. Gary Busey and Meatloaf would probably do as good a job as some of the clowns we've seen lately lol.


Not its my place to make recommendations for President Trump, but I would nominate Busey for DEA and Meatloaf for FDA. Both have extensive first-hand experience with the regarding materials.

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

If he were to run and win, do you think he'll "fire" Obama during his acceptance speech? lol


As much as Arnold reused old movie lines in his campaigns.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/08/11 07:28 PM

The Daily Beast: How Michele Bachmann Can Win

Quote:
No, not Sarah Palin. Get ready for a conservative firebrand from Minnesota who may make memories of Palin pale quickly. We are talking about Rep. Michele Bachmann who, while Palin hesitates, has aggressively jumped into the fray. And while she's not my cup of tea (party), Bachmann would arguably be a stronger GOP candidate for president than Palin in 2012.

She works harder, she's smarter, she has more discipline, more focus and, perhaps most important, she has fire in her belly.
Chair of the House Tea Party caucus and an outspoken champion of the movement, Bachmann raised more campaign cash in the 2010 congressional midterm elections than any other candidate. And her $2.2 million haul in the first quarter of 2011, mostly from small donors and before she has officially entered the race, tops former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney.


Quote:
Her “positive intensity” among Republicans and right-leaning independents, as measured by Gallup, is higher than Palin’s, even though her name recognition is far lower.


Quote:
And Bachmann would fill the void left by Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), who decided not to run for president in 2012: She is both a fiscal and social conservative, which is what Iowa Republican primary voters like. If Mike Huckabee doesn't run, and Palin doesn't run, that leaves Rick Santorum as Bachmann's only real competition among these core voters. And he lost his last election by 16 points.

Bachmann’s wooing of the Tea Party vote may pay dividends beyond the base. Rasmussen reports that 48 percent of likely voters say their views on major issues are closer to the average Tea Party member than to the average member of Congress, with 30 percent unsure.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/08/11 07:36 PM

Ashley Biden bashes "The Donald" on Facebook

Quote:
Ashley "Blazer" Biden, daughter of U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, wants you to know that she hella dislikes Donald Trump and his "Birther" beliefs.

In fact, Biden - who said The Donald makes "makes [her] ill" - publicly challenged the billionaire (to a duel?), telling Trump to "bring it on."

"This discussion or debate over whether or not President Obama has an American birth certificate is just so insulting," Biden wrote in a Facebook post.

"[So I'm] boycotting the Apprentice!"



http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-enterta...ld-on-facebook#
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/11/11 06:08 PM

Sarah Palin On Trump’s Birth Certificate Investigation: ‘More Power To Him!’

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Sarah Palin was interviewed live today on Fox News’ Justice with Judge Jeanine, and was asked to weigh in on the rather sudden addition of Donald Trump’s voice to the “Birther movement“, as well as the money “The Donald” is devoting to researching the existence of the president’s birth certificate. Palin’s answer? She noted it wasn’t that unthinkable for Trump to be curious about Obama’s birth certificate, as it was an issue that has transfixed a sizable segment of the body politic.

She expressed hope that perhaps Trump’s piles of money would be the key ingredient missing from prior investigations of the President’s birthplace; Orly Taitz, despite having about 10 jobs, doesn’t have a hotel in New York City —know what I mean? Palin also expressed hope that Trump’s money and resources could counter the $2 million she claims Obama has spent to keep the certificate hidden from the public. Her attitude suggested a quiet, but not overt, encouragement of Trump’s investigation.


Everyone is bitching about the above, but below is actually most interesting:

Quote:
Jeanine switched gears, asking Palin what she personally thought of the controversy surrounding Obama’s American citizenship. Again, her answer was shrewd. “I believe he was born in Hawaii,” she stated, citing the announcement of his birth in the paper. Leading with this response was smart. She appeared credible, rational and moderate. Palin also managed to pander to her base, adding that the president’s decision not to release his birth certificate was “perplexing.”



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sarah-palin-o...e-power-to-him/

Did you see what she did? I hate to say this, but....that was slick.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/11/11 06:15 PM

Before you automatically discount the source of this allegation, just remember: This was the same sleazy tabloid paper which broke similar news on Jesse Jackson and John Edwards before the rest of the "respected" media did.

Just saying.

National Enquirer: Todd Palin has a Love Child

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/04/todd-palins-love-child-does-national.html

A blogger (and author of upcoming "real book" about Mrs. Palin, just saying):

Quote:
National Enquirer out with a story about Todd’s “love child.” http://bit.ly/e1j9km

I heard the story from a number of people last summer. Basic version is that it’s a boy now in his late teens and that the mother is an old flame of Todd’s from his hometown of Dillingham. I haven’t yet been able to confirm this, but I won’t be delivering my final chapter until June.

http://www.joemcginniss.net/todds-love-child/Joe%20McGinniss

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/11/11 11:34 PM

Romney in _ almost _ announcing exploratory effort

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the closest to a front-runner in a wide-open Republican field, took a major step toward a second White House candidacy Monday, formally announcing a campaign exploratory committee.

Romney declared that "with able leadership, America's best days are still ahead," vigorously asserting that President Barack Obama had failed to provide it.

The Republican, who has been plotting a comeback since losing the GOP presidential nomination to John McCain three years ago, offered himself as the person best able to lead a country struggling to recover from economic crisis.

"It is time that we put America back on a course of greatness with a growing economy, good jobs and fiscal discipline in Washington," Romney, a former venture capitalist with a record of turning around failing companies, said in a video posted on his website and on Facebook. He also announced the formation of the committee, which will allow him to raise money, in a Twitter message.

Romney's move had been expected and a full-fledged campaign is a near certainty. He has traveled across the country to meet in private with donors and sound out their support. His political committee's headquarters near Boston has been bulking up. And in his few public appearances, he has honed his criticism of Obama.

Romney's strengths are substantial: He's well known and he's an experienced campaigner. He has a personal fortune and an existing network of donors. He has a successful businessman's record.

But his challenges are big, too. They include a record of changing positions on social issues including abortion and gay rights, shifts that have left conservatives questioning his sincerity. He also has struggled to allay some skeptics of his Mormon faith.

Romney oversaw a health care law enacted in Massachusetts that's similar to Obama's national health overhaul, which conservatives despise. His announcement video didn't mention either law.

He invested more than $40 million of his own money in the 2008 race and counted on early wins in Iowa and New Hampshire that never materialized. He tried to run to the right of the pack but couldn't persuade enough GOP primary voters.

Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has also taken the initial steps toward a White House run in 2012, setting up an exploratory committee. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is laying the groundwork for an early May announcement.

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann are also putting together political machines for potential presidential runs.

All are auditioning for the chance to take on Obama, who is seeking a second term asking voters to let him finish the job he won in 2008. An ailing economy and an anxious electorate both dog the president, who won election on the promise of change but now has a record that defines him.

Romney hammered Obama's stewardship of the economy and offered a preview of his expected campaign theme: He is a proven business executive while Obama remains unqualified to repair a fractured economy.

"President Obama's policies have failed. He and virtually all the people around him have never worked in the real economy. They just don't know how jobs are created in the private sector."

Then Romney makes the case for himself.

"From my vantage point in business and in government, I have become convinced that America has been put on a dangerous course by Washington politicians, and it has become even worse during the last two years," he said. "But I am also convinced that with able leadership, America's best days are still ahead."

Romney, the son of a former governor of Michigan, met his future wife when he was 18 and she was 15, just before he departed for college and then more than two years of Mormon missionary work in France. The couple had five sons, while Mitt Romney went on to earn millions as a business consultant and venture capitalist.

While heading Bain Capital, he helped launch the Staples office supply chain, as well as buy Domino's Pizza.

His public career began in 1999, when he was recruited to take over the 2002 Winter Olympics after scandal and financial deficits threatened the Salt Lake City games.

In 2003, he took over as governor of Massachusetts after a campaign in which he cast himself as a moderate on abortion, gay rights and stem cell research. He had sounded many of the same themes during an unsuccessful 1994 U.S. Senate race against Democrat Edward M. Kennedy.

He chose not to seek a second term and instead turned his sights to the White House.

Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/12/11 01:46 AM

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/12/11 05:28 PM

train wreck! train wreck! train wreck!

Trump: I'll run as Independent if I don't win GOP Nomination

Quote:
Donald Trump will “probably” run as an independent candidate for U.S. President in 2012 if he does not receive the Republican party’s nomination, he told the Wall Street Journal in a video interview on Monday.

Mr. Trump’s candidacy would complicate matters for the GOP as it looks to front someone who can unite the fractious party and mount a serious challenge to President Obama’s reelection bid. A recent Wall Street Journal/NBC poll recently found Mr. Trump tied for second place with former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee among likely voters in a GOP primary. Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who moved a step closer to formally declaring his own candidacy Monday, is still the frontrunner, though not by a wide margin.

“I think the Republicans are very concerned that I [may] run as an independent,” Mr. Trump said. His support is highest among the conservative wing of the party, not least because he is among the so-called “birthers” who doubt that President Obama in fact was born in the U.S. “It’s a very important issue,” Mr. Trump said of demanding that President Obama show his birth certificate, which has separately been reviewed by the media and deemed legitimate. “I’m not ashamed of having raised that issue.”



http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/04/11...J_Election_Blog
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/12/11 05:32 PM

I don't know!!! Do you really believe it??

I also read he met with Huckabee recently and there was a suggestion of a Huckabee/Trump ticket. Would he possibly consider VP? confused


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/12/11 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


Next.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/12/11 06:25 PM

This motley crew shows you just what the Grand Old Party has been reduced to. They just don't have anyone who can win in 2012, so they keep trotting out has beens and (I can't believe I'm posting this) reality tv stars. But to be fair, I realize that politics are cyclical. Back in 2004 the Dems were practically in the same boat, and in 2016 it'll probably shift again.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/12/11 07:51 PM

If the GOP leadership is getting hammered tonight at the local watering hole, I can't blame them.

Quote:
Exit polls showed independents supporting the GOP by a 19 point margin last year at 56-37. Now only 30% of those voters think that the Republican controlled House is moving things in the right direction, compared to 44% who think things were better with the Democrats. Given those numbers it's not much of a surprise that independents now say they'd vote Democratic for the House by a 42-33 margin if there was an election today, representing a 28 point reversal in a span of just five months.



Ouch.

Spelling out the obvious, which Pizza already pointed out:

Quote:
These poll numbers also point to the reality that Republicans taking control of the House may have been one of the best things that could possibly have happened for Obama's reelection prospects. Although we found the President with slightly negative approval numbers on this poll, when asked whether they had more faith in Obama or Congressional Republicans to lead the country in the right direction 48% of voters picked Obama to only 42% who went with Congressional Republicans. Voters may not love Obama as once they did but they're finding him to be more reasonable than the alternative and that means it will be hard for the GOP to knock him off next year without a top notch nominee.


http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/04/bad-news-for-congressional-republicans.html
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/12/11 07:52 PM

Trump?? #2 on the ticket? Not a chance.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/12/11 08:21 PM

CNN Poll: Donald Trump Ties Huckabee For Lead In GOP Primary

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In the poll of self-identified Republican adults, Trump and Huckabee tied for first at 19%, followed by Palin at 12%, and Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney at 11% each. Ron Paul placed sixth with 7%, and was trailed by Michele Bachmann (5%), Mitch Daniels (3%), Tim Pawlenty (2%), and Rick Santorum (2%).

Trump posted the biggest gain by far in the latest poll. One month ago, CNN pegged his support at 10%, good for fifth place. But since then, Trump has gone on a media blitz, appearing on cable news shows and repeatedly flogging old conspiracies on the long-since settled issue of President Obama's citizenship.

This is the second poll in as many weeks to show Trump giving the establishment candidates a run for their money. Last week, an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll showed Trump running in second place at 17%, just behind frontrunner Romney's 21%.

Romney fell furthest in the CNN survey since March, dropping seven points from his second place finish one month ago.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/12/11 09:55 PM

5 challenges for front-runner Mitt Romney

Good article, with an early line that says it best about George Romney's seed:

Quote:
No conversation about the former Massachusetts governor begins with a listing of his strengths as a candidate. Instead, Romney is the rare national politician defined largely by his shortcomings.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52981.html#ixzz1JLf93O40
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/12/11 10:05 PM

I am amazed (and amused) at the lack of good candidates on the GOP side this election (thus far). I can imagine how the party must feel. lol BTW, I remember Mitt's father, George Romney, who was the Governor of my home state in Michigan way back when.

Yet, IF I absolutely had to pick out of the GOP field, I would reluctantly go with Romney, because....well, I guess he seems the most "normal" of the bunch. Thing is, at this point, I don't think he's odds are that good.

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 03:04 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I am amazed (and amused) at the lack of good candidates on the GOP side this election (thus far). I can imagine how the party must feel. lol BTW, I remember Mitt's father, George Romney, who was the Governor of my home state in Michigan way back when.


I know its absolutely mean and tasteless, but I would ROTFL if one of the candidates during a primary debate make a "brainwashing" joke regarding Mittens' flip-flop on HCR. It would certainly run in the family.

Quote:
Yet, IF I absolutely had to pick out of the GOP field, I would reluctantly go with Romney, because....well, I guess he seems the most "normal" of the bunch. Thing is, at this point, I don't think he's odds are that good.

TIS


Honestly, he's (right now at least) the only one that tries to act "Presidential," or comes off as such in public.

Or in other words doesn't pick fights with Natalie Portman or send Birther investigator to Hawaii or try to sport a new southern twang tongue or fight for the spotlight on Fox News.

It's a start.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 04:48 PM

Terrific piece by Salon on Trump '12.

Donald Trump is losing it: God help us, the man might be serious

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/04/12/donald_trump_serious

Here's a peak, a snippet from his recent interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network:

Quote:
Trump: Well I get sent Bibles by a lot of people.

Brody: Where are all those Bibles?

Trump: Actually, we keep them at a certain place. A very nice place. But people send me Bibles. And you know it's very interesting. I get so much mail and because I'm in this incredible location in Manhattan you can't keep most of the mail you get.

There's no way I would ever throw anything, to do anything negative to a Bible, so what we do is we keep all of the Bibles.

I would have a fear of doing something other than very positive so actually I store them and keep them and sometimes give them away to other people but I do get sent a lot of Bibles and I like that. I think that's great.

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 04:52 PM

Now, what's this about Pawlenty? Yesterday I hear he says he's running for President and now today he said it was taken out of context???? lol Laurel and Hardy theme is going thru my mind.



TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 04:55 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Now, what's this about Pawlenty? Yesterday I hear he says he's running for President and now today he said it was taken out of context????


Yeah, he said pawlenty but none of it made any sense.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 05:19 PM

The whole Bill Cosby/Donald Trump thing is quite interesting. I liked Cosby's, "The only thing that's running is his mouth."

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42549445/ns/today-today_people/

I liked the observation on Good Day NY this morning re: Trump's position in the polls. Anchor Greg Kelly noted that Giuliani had placed this high in the polls prior to the last election's primary, and look how that ended. Ouch!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 05:42 PM

Michael Daly of the New York Daily News wrote what I think is the definitive article about Trump in yesterday's paper.

Donald Trump's birther nonsense is a deplorable distraction from the issues - time to trash him

Michael Daly, NY Daily News

Tuesday, April 12th 2011

Let's just fire him.

Let's banish him from our thoughts and forget him.

Let's not even mention his name.

I don't even want to type it.

Here we are in the midst of our longest war and ongoing financial calamity and this guy tries to get attention for himself with this birther nonsense about our President and commander in chief.

This birther-in-chief is not even a clown.

Clowns know they are being absurd.

In case you don't know who I'm talking about, I'll give you some hints.

Most bizarre hairdo in New York.

Most overinflated ego in New York.

Ugliest buildings in New York.

Tacky, tacky, tacky.

Still don't know? I'll give you some more hints.

Vulgar, vulgar, vulgar.

Pout of a trout, preen of a peacock.

Casinos that lose money.

Foreign banks bamboozled by the myth into giving him excessive loans.

Millions of business wanna-bes bamboozled by the myth into believing he is some kind of role model.

Billionaire who often seems to owe more than he owns.

Germophobe known to open doors with his elbow.

Truthophobe known to put his foot in his mouth.

Rented land in Westchester to Moammar Khadafy in 2009 so the dictator could pitch his Bedouin tent.

When caught doing it, claimed via a spokesman the land was "leased on a short term basis to Middle Eastern partners, who may or may not have a relationship with Mr. Khadafy."

"We are looking into the matter ..." and said he had "no idea" Khadafy was the tenant.

Seemed to completely forget that statement when he subsequently bragged on CNN, "With Khadafy... I got in one night more money than I would have gotten all year for this piece of land up in Westchester and then didn't let him use it. That's called being intelligent."

When CNN asked if he had retained the Khadafy money said, "Do I still have it? What does that mean?"

Reported that he had given the money to charity. Then declared it had all been part of a brilliant plan.

Told CNN, "In fact, I said, when I did it, I'm gonna take Khadafy's money, I'm not gonna make it easy on him, and I'm going to give the money to charity."

Now says this is how foreign policy should be conducted.

"I don't want to use the word 'screwed,' but I screwed him. That's what we should be doing."

And this is a guy who is talking about running for President.

Somehow, he ran second in a presidential poll of likely Republican voters in New Hampshire.

Maybe the Republicans up there are as bamboozled as the foreign banks and the business wanna-bes.

Only, with this birther nonsense, there is no longer any excuse for being fooled.

He showed that to promote himself he is willing to play on the paranoid imaginings of folks whose real problem with Barack Obama has nothing to do with the place of his birth.

What they cannot stand is that Obama was born black and proved we really are a country where anybody can grow up to become President.

They are obsessed with finding some way to cast Obama as an Other, ineligible to be President.

"Hey, he can't be President," they say. "He's bla... I mean foreign-born."

Anybody who seeks to capitalize on that deserves to be fired - and forgotten.

mdaly@nydailynews.com

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...l#ixzz1JQU1RyNs
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
The whole Bill Cosby/Donald Trump thing is quite interesting. I liked Cosby's, "The only thing that's running is his mouth."

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42549445/ns/today-today_people/

I liked the observation on Good Day NY this morning re: Trump's position in the polls. Anchor Greg Kelly noted that Giuliani had placed this high in the polls prior to the last election's primary, and look how that ended. Ouch!


When is the election? November of 2012? 18 months from now?
What's the relevance of a presidential poll at the distance of 18 months from the election? Trump is new and he's loud; such candidates always draw early attention.

By the way,it really doesn't matter. The world ends on December 21, 2012 anyway.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 06:05 PM

There are alot of good reasons to vote against an Obama re-election.

The "Birther" garbage? Not one of them.

I've said it before, but I rank that nonsense on the level of the 9/11 Conspiracy people. You have the American right to express that belief (no matter how much logic, reality, and evidence are against you) but please please stay away and don't talk to me again.

After you do that, I'll wonder why parents let their kids eat paint chips.

Fun Fact: Notable 9/11 Conspiracy believer? Charlie Sheen. Way to go Donald, you're on Chuck's level.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 07:17 PM

Well, not to exclude myself from yours or anyone elses company, rrA, but is there not even an ounce of validity to Trump's birther nonsense?

Did the President not spend time and money in an attempt to get the citizenship provision thrown out? As I've heard it, the version of the Hawaiian birth certificate he produced was an older version that didn't specify birth particulars (or something like this), and he's spent perhaps millions in an effort to reserve his right to keep that birth certificate secret.

I'm not passing judgement either way, but I just don't think we know all the facts yet.

And I find it ironic that many articles such as the one posted above claim Mr. Trump is not focusing on the issues, only to then begin discussing his hair and other non essentials.

My issue with these type of retorts (I do not possess enough knowledge to dispute it factually either way) is that it seems to come prepackaged with an agenda. As an article that seeks to discredit Mr. Trump's statements as slander, I feel that it is inappropriate to insert their own slanderous agenda into the facts.

Having an opinion is one thing, but statements like 'Most bizarre hairdo in New York' undermines the validity of the facts by presenting them in a manner that can be perceived as bias; the very thing the article and others accuse Mr. Trump of regarding the President's citizenship.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 07:59 PM

No. There is no ounce of validity to the birther nonsense. None. The fact that so many people believe there is because they desperately want to believe it.

This is discussed both exhaustively and in a humorous manner here and here and here and here.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
No. There is no ounce of validity to the birther nonsense. None. The fact that so many people believe there is because they desperately want to believe it.

This is discussed both exhaustively and in a humorous manner here and here and here and here.



You're right Lilo. I was hesitant to chime in because like you say people who want to believe it simply won't be swayed. I know it was debunked by the then Republican governor of Hawaii during the election and again by the current Democrat governor.

Here's one more recent article AGAIN debunking it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/



TIS
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/11 09:03 PM

What I don't understand is why they won't release a copy of the original certificate and put an end to all of this damn nonsense.

Don't we all have atleast a copy of our original birth certificate? I know I do. It's printed on decades-old aged paper and has a doctor's hand written signature on it. I don't think I've ever met anyone who didn't keep such an article in their possession excepting this President.

So who's grasping for straws and "wanting to believe" something??? I dont know.


(Sorry if I'm being divisive or repetitive, ohwell I appreciate your responses...but I get so tired of the supposed tolerant Left constantly labeling those who disagree with them as 'morons' and 'crazies.' It's no wonder these people get smacked in the mouth when they actually step out in public and talk like that.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/11 01:06 PM

Former Senator Rick "Man on Dog" Santorum has formed an exploratory committee:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/...tee.php?ref=fpi
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/11 01:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
What I don't understand is why they won't release a copy of the original certificate and put an end to all of this damn nonsense.

Don't we all have atleast a copy of our original birth certificate? I know I do. It's printed on decades-old aged paper and has a doctor's hand written signature on it. I don't think I've ever met anyone who didn't keep such an article in their possession excepting this President.

So who's grasping for straws and "wanting to believe" something??? I dont know.


(Sorry if I'm being divisive or repetitive, ohwell I appreciate your responses...but I get so tired of the supposed tolerant Left constantly labeling those who disagree with them as 'morons' and 'crazies.' It's no wonder these people get smacked in the mouth when they actually step out in public and talk like that.)


Do you honestly think releasing it would make a difference? You don't think the Trumps of the world would cry out "forgery" and still continue with this monumental waste of time? The normally respected Annenberg Foundation is being labeled as a tool of the President's because he was on the board of one of the branches of theirs, yet they saw and acknowledged that the certificate was fine. As did the officials of Hawaii, who noted that they were GOP supporters of McCain said it was OK. This is the issue Trump centers on?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/11 02:37 PM

Thanks to a recent Hawaii legislature bill, you can secure a copy of the birth certificate: For a $100 charge. (Give them credit for ingenious capitalizing on stupid people.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/11 02:46 PM

Speaking of Birth conspiracies, since she's dancing the Birther nonsense with her delicate dance (I don't think its true but its worth exploring!), what about the Sarah Palin-isn't-Trig's-Mama-but-Really-It-Was-Britol's-Baby Theory that's been floating around since '08?

http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-baby-hoax-2011-4?op=1#ixzz1JVXWJAqJ

I don't believe it (for too many reasons to list here), but in bi-partisan fashion let's try to spread the nutty Net partisan conspiracy around.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/11 02:56 PM

Some backbone is nice.

Get real, Trump: Romney wades into Obama citizenship row to dismiss 'birther' conspiracy

Quote:
Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney has told Donald Trump it's time to stop questioning Barack Obama's citizenship.

The former Massachusetts governor said he now believes that President Obama was born in the U.S. The comments come after several of Romney's fellow GOPers, including Trump and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, publically questioned Obama's citizenship, despite the fact his Hawaii birth has been confirmed by Aloha State officials.

Property tycoon Trump has stated he believes Obama was born in Kenya and claims to have sent a team of investigators to Hawaii to get to the bottom of the scandal. But Romney told CNBC's Kudlow Report: 'The citizenship test has been passed.

'There are real reasons to get this guy out of office … but his citizenship isn't the reason why.'

Source: The Daily Mail
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/11 03:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Thanks to a recent Hawaii legislature bill, you can secure a copy of the birth certificate: For a $100 charge. (Give them credit for ingenious capitalizing on stupid people.)


They added that charge because so many people were asking for copies of Obama's. Two governors (one Rep. and one Dem) have confirmed and both have said that is what their B.C. look like.

Btw, I don't expect to change anyone's mind who doesn't want to believe it, but my son-in-law was born in Hawaii. It was only because my daughter and SIL had to replace lost SS cards that I saw his birth certificate. Guess what???? It looks just like the one Obama has that the birthers are bitching about. He was able to obtain a SS and passport and other necessary paperwork with it without any questions. I don't know that he has aspirations to be President, but I'm guessing it would be sufficient. I say some people simply have to get over it, but doubt they will. rolleyes

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/11 04:17 PM

Also, to whom would the President's birth certificate be made available? What would he do with it? Dsplay it under a glass seal in the White House lobby? Factcheck.org examined it in 2008 and found it original. Hawaii officials both appointed and elected have viewed it and verified it. Now what? If you examined it, how in the world could one tell if it was authentic?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/16/11 02:34 PM

Donald...you're hired?

PPP: National GOP '12

Trump 26%
Huckabee 17%
Romney 15%
Gingrich 11%
Palin 8%
Paul 5%
Bachmann 4%
Pawlenty 4%

Key Data:

Quote:
Only 38% of Republican primary voters say they're willing to support a candidate for President next year who firmly rejects the birther theory and those folks want Mitt Romney to be their nominee for President next year. With the other 62% of Republicans- 23% of whom say they are only willing to vote for a birther and 39% of whom are not sure- Donald Trump is cleaning up. And as a result Trump's ridden the controversy about Barack Obama's place of birth to the highest level of support we've found for anyone in our national GOP polling so far in 2011.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/18/11 02:43 AM

Warning: Pizzaboy bait

Trump: LaGuardia Airport is "Third World," says he's "Bigger" than Romney

Quote:
With his poll numbers up, the perpetual publicity hound sought to gain further traction Sunday by attacking his hometown - dismissing LaGuardia Airport as "Third World."

"You land your plane at LaGuardia Airport, you go to LaGuardia Airport, it's like a Third World airport," Trump scoffed on CNN's "State of the Union."


Quote:
Trump also hammered at his putative competitor Mitt Romney Sunday - boasting that he was richer than Romney.

"I'm much bigger than this man and have a much, much bigger net worth," Trump scoffed. "I mean my net worth is many, many, many times Mitt Romney."

Trump claims that if he decides to run and is forced to fully reveal his much-questioned actual worth, people will be surprised at how strong his finances are.

Source: New York Daily News
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/18/11 02:44 PM

The establishment tries to cut him down before its too late.

Club for Growth slams Trump as 'tax-hiking liberal'

Quote:
He's made the round of talk shows discussing what's wrong with President Obama and U.S. standing in around the globe. The billionaire real estate executive has gone from Republican to Democrat to independent and now back to Republican, proclaiming on Sean Hannity's show that he's "very conservative."

The fiscally conservative group Club for Growth, which has had some success backing GOP candidates on the political right, doesn't think so.

In a news release today, the Club for Growth slams Trump as a "tax-hiking liberal" who backs "single-payer health care" and protectionism. The group's news release goes on to quote passages from Trump's 2000 book, The America We Deserve, and reports on Fox News and CNN highlighting Trump's past statements.

One example from the book: Trump said "we must have universal health care" and eventually move to a "single-payer plan that is affordable, well-administered and provides freedom of choice."

Source: USA Today


And Trump has gotten his first endorsement.

Gary Busey: Trump would be 'absolutely good' president

Quote:

He also said he would vote for Donald Trump, even though he fired him [on APPRENTICE], because he "would be an absolutely good" president. "He knows about this country. He knows the situation we're in now. I have great respect for sitting president Barack Obama. I will not dismiss that."
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 04/18/11 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Also, to whom would the President's birth certificate be made available? What would he do with it? Dsplay it under a glass seal in the White House lobby? Factcheck.org examined it in 2008 and found it original. Hawaii officials both appointed and elected have viewed it and verified it. Now what? If you examined it, how in the world could one tell if it was authentic?


The 30% in that particular echo chamber will never believe Obama was born in the U.S., so all this nonsense is useless.
These people remind me of all the crazies who keep saying the world is coming to an end. Remember all the Y-2K nonsense? Now they are saying the end is 2012 because of the Mayan calendar. IN 20133 IT WILL BE SOMETHING ELSE.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/18/11 05:42 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Remember all the Y-2K nonsense? Now they are saying the end is 2012 because of the Mayan calendar. IN 20133 IT WILL BE SOMETHING ELSE.


Xenu!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/21/11 08:33 PM

NYT Poll:
Quote:

A plurality of Republican voters, 47 percent, said they believed Mr. Obama, who was born in Hawaii, was born in another country; 22 percent said they did not know where he was born, and 32 percent said they believed he was born in the United States.


Can the GOP solve its birther problem before it's too late?

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/04/21/birthers_republicans_poll
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/21/11 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Can the GOP solve its birther problem before it's too late?

No.

I think they've actually conceded. Now they're just doing this to break balls. Just three months ago there was a chance I would have voted Republican in 2012. Now, unless Reagan comes back from the dead, there's no possible way; and I think I speak for a lot of moderate voters when I say this. Between Trump and everything else, they've made themselves unelectable until 2016. At the very least.

The establishment should have put a muzzle on Sarah Palin, and Faux News should have fired Glenn Beck, a lot sooner. They'd be in much better shape today.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 04/22/11 12:15 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Can the GOP solve its birther problem before it's too late?

No.

I think they've actually conceded. Now they're just doing this to break balls. Just three months ago there was a chance I would have voted Republican in 2012. Now, unless Reagan comes back from the dead, there's no possible way; and I think I speak for a lot of moderate voters when I say this. Between Trump and everything else, they've made themselves unelectable until 2016. At the very least.

The establishment should have put a muzzle on Sarah Palin, and Faux News should have fired Glenn Beck, a lot sooner. They'd be in much better shape today.


i heard the republicans freezed reagans body, in hopes to use his DNA to make the next great republican.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/22/11 12:18 AM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
i heard the republicans freezed reagans body, in hopes to use his DNA to make the next great republican.

They're hoping to put his head on Arnold's body. But not his real body; his mechanical one from "T2."
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 04/22/11 09:31 AM

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/22/11 03:33 PM

Lilo,

Pretty disturbing isn't it? I read a couple times that the Tea Party people were mostly college educated. Really???? rolleyes

Here's another clip from a couple years ago.

TIS



Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/22/11 03:35 PM

I never knew there was a sequel to "Deliverance."
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 04/26/11 05:51 PM

Just when you thought Trump was done with foolish statements comes this one:

"Real estate mogul Donald Trump suggested in an interview Monday that President Barack Obama had been a poor student who did not deserve to be admitted to the Ivy League universities he attended.

Trump, who is mulling a bid for the Republican presidential nomination, offered no proof for his claim but said he would continue to press the matter as he has the legitimacy of the president's birth certificate.

"I heard he was a terrible student, terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?" Trump said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm thinking about it, I'm certainly looking into it. Let him show his records.""

When will Trump go away?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/26/11 05:57 PM

Don Marco,

Did you hear about Robert DeNiro commenting on Trump's behavior asking "How dare he?" Trump replied saying that DeNiro "wasn't the brightest bulb in the box" and basically called him stupid ("he's no Einstein") . I'll try to find the link.

Thing is, I never liked or disliked Trump. He never bothered me. He was the rich guy who owned some Vegas hotels. tongue It wasn't til all this bullshit that I see what a huge ego the guy has and just how much of a jerk he is.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...led_obama_.html

TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 04/26/11 05:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
When will Trump go away?


Not soon enough for my liking. ohwell

He really is a schmuck.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/26/11 06:05 PM

Yeah I agree and I used to love Trump. Thought he was a funny guy, but after all this nonsense lately I can't help but question his intelligence. He's definitely not the brightest bulb in the box.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/26/11 06:07 PM

I love how Trump would have you believe he was self made, like Fred Trump wasn't one of the biggest New York City real estate developers of the 20th century.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/26/11 06:10 PM

I wonder how Trump's sister (the federal judge) feels about these nonsensical rantings of his.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/26/11 06:11 PM

Here's an interesting spin on the debate over Obama's true heritage whistle

Bombshell: Barack Obama conclusively outed as CIA creation

Far from being the mere ‘son of a goat herder’ (as he deceptively paraded during and even before his candidacy), strong evidence has emerged that President Barack Obama is the product of the intelligence community. Investigative reporter and former NSA employee Wayne Madsen has put together an extensive three-part (and growing) series with conclusive proof and documentation that Barack Obama Sr., Stanley Ann Dunham, Lolo Soetoro and President Barack Obama himself all hold deep ties to the CIA and larger intelligence community. And that’s just the beginning.

After his election, President Obama quickly moved to seal off his records via an executive order. Now, after two years of hints and clues, there is substantial information to demonstrate that what Obama has omitted is that his rare rise to power can only be explained by his intelligence roots. However, this is more than the story of one man or his family. There is a long-term strategic plan to recruit promising candidates into intelligence and steer these individuals and their families into positions of influence and power. Consider that it is now declassified former British Prime Minister Tony Blair was recruited into MI5 before becoming a labour leader, or that George H. W. Bush not only became CIA director in 1976 but had a deeper past in the organization. While we may never know many pertinent details about these matters, one thing that is certain is that the American people have never been told the truth about who holds the real power, nor who this president– and likely many others– really is. Thus, we urge everyone to read Wayne Madsen’s deep report and seek the truth for yourself.

PART 1: The Story of Obama: All in The Company (Part I)

Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen has discovered CIA files that document the agency’s connections to institutions and individuals figuring prominently in the lives of Barack Obama and his mother, father, grandmother, and stepfather. The first part of his report highlights the connections between Barack Obama, Sr. and the CIA-sponsored operations in Kenya to counter rising Soviet and Chinese influence among student circles and, beyond, to create conditions obstructing the emergence of independent African leaders.

President Obama’s own work in 1983 for Business International Corporation, a CIA front that conducted seminars with the world’s most powerful leaders and used journalists as agents abroad, dovetails with CIA espionage activities conducted by his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham in 1960s post-coup Indonesia on behalf of a number of CIA front operations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation. Dunham met and married Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s stepfather, at the East-West Center in 1965. Soetoro was recalled to Indonesia in 1965 to serve as a senior army officer and assist General Suharto and the CIA in the bloody overthrow of President Sukarno.


Full article
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/26/11 09:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
"I heard he was a terrible student, terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?" Trump said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm thinking about it, I'm certainly looking into it. Let him show his records.""

When will Trump go away?


Yes, because the terrible students are always picked to be editor of the Law Review, like President Obama was. rolleyes
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 02:02 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I love how Trump would have you believe he was self made, like Fred Trump wasn't one of the biggest New York City real estate developers of the 20th century.


Yeah I wonder where Donald would be if it hadn't been for his ultra rich father. No wonder Donald tries to stick up for Paris Hilton. Yeah this is a guy who actually had the nerve to say she was sharper than a fox. This is only because they were both born with silver spoons in their mouths and this tells you everything you need to know about Donald Trump.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 01:28 PM

The White House is handing out long-form copies of the Birth Certificate to the press.

Either they're genuinely trying to squash this nonsense once and for all, stirring the shitpot to Trump's advantage (and GOP's disadvantage), or....hell if I know.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/longformbirthcertificate.pdf

~Obviously faked.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 01:38 PM

Donald Trump:

Quote:
"I am honored to have played a big role' in the release of Obama's birth certificate."
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 01:40 PM

It's obviously faked? What do real ones look like?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 02:09 PM

I just heard the President's statement to the press. He didn't name names, but he said that while the nation has so many important things to deal with, unemployment, rising gas prices, the budget, etc., he was discouraged to see that this "silliness" had dominated the recent news cycle. He wanted to do this to quiet the "side shows and carnival barkers". Ouch.

He said that we all had better things to do, and then left the podium without taking any questions. I see that Trump doesn't even have the class to admit he was wrong. Jerk.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 02:25 PM

I heard part of Obama's comments and I agree with him. It was pointed out that it would have probably been to his advantage politically to NOT release it. It makes the fringe look even more fringier. He never had this long form and they reported he sent someone to Hawaii last night to get it. Do you really really think this will keep the nutjobs quiet??? Read a few of the comments in Yahoo's story and you'll see these kinds of comments, "if I had two years I could make a fake one too", "his mom was a minor when he was born (?)" or simply "fake". All these whackos imho are too afraid to say the real reason why they are making this an issue. The REAL reason why they hate Obama so much and it has nothing to do with politics.

Oh, and the Right leaning media should be ashamed of themselves for feeding into this crap too. mad

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 02:27 PM

TIS, when people start to pick on crap like his birthplace and his grades, it simply means that they can't find anything of substance to criticize. Let them fling their crap.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
TIS, when people start to pick on crap like his birthplace and his grades, it simply means that they can't find anything of substance to criticize. Let them fling their crap.



Oh, and Donald Trump is "acting" like he's some kind of hero for this. He said just the other day that "you wouldn't believe what my people have found." Ok, tell us what they found. His latest rant of course is questioning Obama's smarts and what/how he got into Harvard, etc. Watch, that'll be the next issue for the birthers. mad Let it go birthers, Obama WON.

TIS
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:01 PM

So he could have shown this thing months ago and ended it then, but instead let it fester in the media while troops are dying, gas prices are through the roof, and people are out of work.

Gee, sounds like politics as usual to me.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
So he could have shown this thing months ago and ended it then, but instead let it fester in the media while troops are dying, gas prices are through the roof, and people are out of work.

Gee, sounds like politics as usual to me.


Why SHOULD he have shown it? He's answered this nonsense numerous times, he's had statements from Hawaiian governors, both Democrat and Republican, that authenticate documents he PREVIOUSLY submitted, so why should he have shown anything further? What other president has had to prove his birthplace so many times? What other president has been asked to settle a nonsensical question like this time after time after time?

Gee, could it be because his skin is dark and his middle name is Hussein and his opponents have nothing better to do than make up complete and utter BULLSHIT???
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:21 PM

As I stated earlier, he should have shown his ORIGINAL birth certificate from DAY 1 and this issue would have never seen the light of day. So why didn't he?? Probably because he realized that letting the birthers run with this thing as long as possible would only detract from the real issues at hand in this country, and at the same time serve to discredit the Right.

Politics as usual.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:27 PM

The live birth certificate is the only one he had and he showed it two years ago. Nobody in Hawaii receives the long form birth certificate. Two governors verified it existed, along with others who examined it. Why should OBAMA have a higher standard to prove his birth. mad He showed what he had. End of story.

Btw, my SIL was born in Hawaii and recently needed his B.C. for some mortgage paperwork. It looked exactly like Obama's "live birth". That's all he received from the State.

I call bullshit on anyone trying to pursue this any further.

TIS



Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:30 PM

You haven't said WHY he should be required to show it. He showed what is commonly issued and used in the state of Hawaii, and displayed it on the internet. He had statements from state officials of Hawaii that said that he was born there. Why is that not more than enough?

And if the Right has been discredited for this issue, they have nobody but themselves to blame for feeding the trolls in the first place.

Let them stay in their trees and fling their crap like the ignorant, uneducated, uncultivated, underdeveloped and truculent primitives that they are.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:37 PM

SB,

We'll find out in the next couple days or so what the Rightwing "spin" will be to discredit this birth certificate. You just KNOW they won't let it drop.
rolleyes


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Why SHOULD he have shown it? He's answered this nonsense numerous times, he's had statements from Hawaiian governors, both Democrat and Republican, that authenticate documents he PREVIOUSLY submitted, so why should he have shown anything further? What other president has had to prove his birthplace so many times? What other president has been asked to settle a nonsensical question like this time after time after time?



Exactly. I would have told them to go fly a kite. I've lived through several Presidents and I've never seen any of their birth certificates. At the core of this is racial animus. It's must be traumatic for some people that a half black guy is President and that name ... Madonne! That's also exactly what I told my classes. Reagan, Clinton, Bush? and now ... Obama! What kind of name is that? Madonne!
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:41 PM

Why should anyone, let alone the President of the United States, give the teeniest, tiniest turd what these people say? I was originally going to type "what these people think", but the truth is, they probably have never had a thought. A brain is required for that.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
So he could have shown this thing months ago and ended it then, but instead let it fester in the media while troops are dying, gas prices are through the roof, and people are out of work.

Gee, sounds like politics as usual to me.


You're right - releasing his birth certificate would have ended the wars, cut gas prices in half, and given everyone a job. That must be why Trump the genius has used it as the centerpiece of his campaign. Why didn't McCain have to prove he was eligible to run - he was closer to being ineligible by being born in the Panama Canal Zone than Obama was.

Trump is proud that he caused this? - he should be embarassed that he even brought it up and basically lied to everyone by implying that his "investigators" found unbelievable stuff.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I've lived through several Presidents and I've never seen any of their birth certificates. At the core of this is racial animus.


You've expressed, far more succinctly and elegantly, what I've been trying to say. Bravo.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe


Let them stay in their trees and fling their crap like the ignorant, uneducated, uncultivated, underdeveloped and truculent primitives that they are.



Uhhhh...The Tea Party movement started on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange with an economic analyst named Rick Santoro; not in the backwoods of the Ku Klux Klan. I love how the Left always tries to paint themselves as cultivated and educated while the right are poor dirt farmers who've never cracked a book. Spoken like a typical Lefty elitist.

And I agree Obama shouldn't have been required to show his BC, but he could have taken the high road if he's such a great emancipator and leader of men. He DIDN'T because he's more concerned with winning elections than anything else and knew this all would detract from the real issues at hand which it's done quite nicely.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 03:54 PM

BTW For those who continue to want to play the race card, I honestly don't think there are many people in this country who oppose this President simply because he has brown skin. However, I do think there are many who support him solely because of the fact he DOES has brown skin.

I mean, he's already gone back on just about everything he promised in the election and has caved to the right on almost every major issue. Yet his supporters still follow him blindly and support him no matter what he goes back on.

So who are the TRUE racists here??? Just sayin...
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 04:20 PM

So, the President's supporters are Lefty elitist racists? And the Right are educated and open-minded? Yes, there's all sorts of support for that school of thought...

Have to go now. I can't stare at the computer screen much longer, as I am blinded by my ardent support of the President's brown skin.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 04:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
So, the President's supporters are Lefty elitist racists? And the Right are educated and open-minded? Yes, there's all sorts of support for that school of thought...

Have to go now. I can't stare at the computer screen much longer, as I am blinded by my ardent support of the President's brown skin.


lol lol I'm so happy there are people like you in this world. You just destroyed that right winger.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 05:10 PM

So I guess the wealthy elite in the top 1% of the income bracket who always vote Repbulican are also uneducated sloths??? What about free market capitalists who abide by Laissez-faire ideology in government?? Are we uncultured, uncouth, uneducated, or all of the above???

Like I said, typical lefty elitism that exists only in politics, because most true liberal voices are completely eclectic and apolitical. It's only the liberals who feel the need to 'join a side' who get involved in politcal banter and grandstanding.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 06:12 PM

I don't abide by demographics or pigeonholes. I talk about what I see and hear. And what I've heard and seen from the people who are propagating this birther nonsense is that they are stupid, ignorant and unreasonable. They are the same people who will say that he's a Muslim. They are the same people who probably believe that he has horns and a tail.

Who was doing all the grandstanding on this issue? The President, until today, hasn't even commented on it. Who kept it alive though news cycle after news cycle? Not the President or this supporters. And who now is blathering about the President's education?? Not the President or his supporters.

BTW, the wealthiest people in this country "always" vote Republican? 1.5% of the households in this country hold the top earner slot at +$250,000. I'm going out on a limb and saying that includes the Clintons, the Bidens and the Obamas. I don't think they vote Republican, do you???
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti


Like I said, typical lefty elitism that exists only in politics, because most true liberal voices are completely eclectic and apolitical. It's only the liberals who feel the need to 'join a side' who get involved in politcal banter and grandstanding.



That's why Trump was a birther who now says Obama didn't deserve to go to Harvard?
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe

BTW, the wealthiest people in this country "always" vote Republican? 1.5% of the households in this country hold the top earner slot at +$250,000. I'm going out on a limb and saying that includes the Clintons, the Bidens and the Obamas. I don't think they vote Republican, do you???


Not to mention those Kennedys! How strange that they apparently vote Republican but were elected as Democrats! Isn't it a GOP mantra to whine about the liberal Hollywood crowd? Not too many of that group are falling out of the top 1.5% of earners. I was surprised to hear that there are no rich people in Manhattan - there must not be since it almost always votes for the Democrats.




Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 07:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Just when you thought Trump was done with foolish statements comes this one:

Real estate mogul Donald Trump suggested in an interview Monday that President Barack Obama had been a poor student who did not deserve to be admitted to the Ivy League universities he attended.



The REAL news headline of the day should be:

Trump Unable To Produce Certificate Proving He's Not A Festering Pile Of Shit
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 07:37 PM

I had to look up who this guy was, but I heard earlier today that a guy named Jerome Corsi is due to release a book on May 17 titled, "Where's The Birth Certificate."

to quote a portion of the attached story:

A source close to the publisher said the book is “utterly devastating,” and that “Obama may learn things he didn’t even know about himself!” The publisher has vowed to fight any legal action that may be taken from the president’s attorneys.


http://brianekoenig.com/2011/04/wheres-t...the-presidency/

Some people ON THE RIGHT are so damned upset at this Presidency that they will try anything at all. They are a bunch of whiny ignorant losers. rolleyes

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 08:11 PM

TIS, Corsi has been on the President's back since the campaign.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti


Like I said, typical lefty elitism that exists only in politics, because most true liberal voices are completely eclectic and apolitical. It's only the liberals who feel the need to 'join a side' who get involved in politcal banter and grandstanding.



That's why Trump was a birther who now says Obama didn't deserve to go to Harvard?


As if President Bush didn't get rained on everyday for simply trying to defend this country from another 911. But the Right throws as mud as anyone, don't get me wrong. I never said otherwise. I meant that most true liberals are above the mudslinging and destructive nature of bourgeois politics.


Originally Posted By: SicilianBabe

BTW, the wealthiest people in this country "always" vote Republican? 1.5% of the households in this country hold the top earner slot at +$250,000. I'm going out on a limb and saying that includes the Clintons, the Bidens and the Obamas. I don't think they vote Republican, do you???


True, but I thought I'd counter your blanket generalization with another. But then again, I guess you weren't referencing the upper class Republican millionaires as uneducated tree dwellers, rather the ones from the lower end that grow your food, raise your beef, and man your army. Right???

It takes a variety of demographics to make a country great, and I think that BOTH sides tend to forget that.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 11:05 PM

But while we're at, I'll play devil's advocate in this whole birther debate and suggest now that Obama has shown his birth certificate, he should do the same with regards to his passport and travel information.

We know he was in Pakistan in his formative years so what was he doing there? Where did he go to school? Was he under the Islamic Jihadist tutelage like his buddy Reverend Wright? Given his actions and the people he's associated with (anti-American preachers and former terrorist turned academics like Bill Ayers) I think we have a right to know where this guy's been, b/c he's been all over the Islamic world.

So while you're purposely raising fuel prices to benefit your Islamic counterparts and destroying the value of the dollar, why don't you release that passport and tell us exactly what you were doing all over the Middle EAst and North Africa.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 11:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
But while we're at, I'll play devil's advocate in this whole birther debate


How about while we're at it I play devil's advocate and suggest the Holocaust never happened? Or that 9/11 was an inside job? Or that the CIA invented AIDS?

Let's instead play tit for tat. Donald, show us your fucking financial records. Don't be a bitch, show us the money.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 11:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
But while we're at, I'll play devil's advocate in this whole birther debate and suggest now that Obama has shown his birth certificate, he should do the same with regards to his passport and travel information.

We know he was in Pakistan in his formative years so what was he doing there? Where did he go to school? Was he under the Islamic Jihadist tutelage like his buddy Reverend Wright? Given his actions and the people he's associated with (anti-American preachers and former terrorist turned academics like Bill Ayers) I think we have a right to know where this guy's been, b/c he's been all over the Islamic world.

So while you're purposely raising fuel prices to benefit your Islamic counterparts and destroying the value of the dollar, why don't you release that passport and tell us exactly what you were doing all over the Middle EAst and North Africa.


Are you serious?
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/11 11:34 PM

This isn't conspiracy garbage. You can't deny that Obama attended the church of an anti American preacher who more or less supported Bin Laden and 911. You also can't deny that there's an inherent anti American/Western subversiveness present in modern Islamic 'teachings', and that this president is, or at least was, right in line with that kind of garbage.

Not that I'd vote for him, but this Trump momentum that seems to get bigger everyday is starting to remind me of Hitler's sudden rise* in terms of scope and power. He's just saying f*you, we're taking this country back from the Lefty Communist pseudo Academics who hate the same white man that built and founded this country on his back and with his blood. You Lefties smoked too much pot in the 60's but now think you're capable of running a country and it ain't happening.

*-(NOt that I'm a proponent of Nazism, we're just talking.)
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 12:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
This isn't conspiracy garbage. You can't deny that Obama attended the church of an anti American preacher who more or less supported Bin Laden and 911. You also can't deny that there's an inherent anti American/Western subversiveness present in modern Islamic 'teachings', and that this president is, or at least was, right in line with that kind of garbage.

Not that I'd vote for him, but this Trump momentum that seems to get bigger everyday is starting to remind me of Hitler's sudden rise* in terms of scope and power. He's just saying f*you, we're taking this country back from the Lefty Communist pseudo Academics who hate the same white man that built and founded this country on his back and with his blood. You Lefties smoked too much pot in the 60's but now think you're capable of running a country and it ain't happening.

*-(NOt that I'm a proponent of Nazism, we're just talking.)


Ok. I thought you were being tongue in cheek but I guess not.
It does kind of show how out there the Obama hatred is.
Reverend Wright supported Bin Laden and 9-11?
Right. Citation?

Modern Islamic teachings are inherently anti-American?
I was raised Muslim. I don't see it. I would venture a guess that even today I know more Muslims than you do. Muslims come in all sorts of categories, political viewpoints, personalities,etc. just like Jews, Whites, and any other group. Some are good; some are bad.

Neither Wright nor Obama is Muslim so again I don't know why people keep bringing that up. I guess since the birth certificate thing didn't pan out back to plan B.

As far as the race element again it doesn't seem to matter how much Obama himself tries to distance himself from it, there are evidently a number of people who are quite peeved that a Black man had the audacity to go to Harvard, the audacity to run for President and God forbid the nerve to win.
He is Black, yes. It doesn't mean he's good, bad or indifferent-just that his skin has more melanin than some. Watching the meltdown of the Right over this is humorous or would be if they weren't drifting past the loony event horizon.

As far as "taking the country back" perhaps you can explain what that means. This country was multiracial from its founding. It was built by various people. In the last 40-50 years it's seen the removal of the legal pedestals of segregation and white supremacy. That was a good thing.

So anyone who wants to "take the country back" should perhaps explain how far back they want to go. Because the days of a 90%+ white electorate are gone forever.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 12:57 AM

Nice job Lilo, but I fear nothing will change for a hopefully small minority of people. I think many know the truth but sadly can't accept it.

On another note, Orly Taitz was just on Lawrence O'Donnell's show. OMG! lol O'Donnell wanted her to specifically address the birth certificate that the President released today AND he asked if she'd apologize. That woman is nuts. She kept talking, not answering him but holding up some "selective service" document saying he's committed social security fraud or such???? She SAYS that there's a court date (2 I think) coming up. O'Donnell kept yelling at her to answer the question if the BC was enough for her and she went on a rant about this SS document. He ended up kicking her off and told her to go play with Donald Trump. lol

TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 01:26 AM


On the lighter side, here's a story from the widow of the doctor who delivered the President. smile The family only found out today after seeing the birth certificate.


"...Take for example the family of Dr. David A. Sinclair who had no idea until a few hours ago that his name was on President Obama’s birth certificate. Ivalee Sinclair, the doctor’s widow, woke up this morning to discover that her late husband was the one who delivered the future leader of the free world. Talk about a nice surprise. TMZ interviewed her today and it’s clear that this was quite a charming little surprise.



TIS

http://www.mediaite.com/online/birth-cer...resident-obama/
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 01:45 AM

Frank, I've seen a lot hear in my years of membership, but I've never read such a racist rant. I don't understand where these ideas came from and how they evolved. While I've known that we don't see eye-to-eye, you're always interesting and intelligent. However, your post sickened me. It was hateful, and I really thought more of you.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 01:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
This isn't conspiracy garbage.


So, what kind of garbage is it?

Also: Kudos Lilo.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 03:50 AM

I think its funny how Frank wants to take America "back," and could possibly give it to a Mormon President. You know a member of maybe one of the more discriminated against religious groups in the history of America? People driven out of New York and Midwest and into Utah because of violence? A group that really isn't respected or liked at all by the GOP's Evangelical social-conservative base unless they need the money or votes?

The '12 spring primary smear trash about Magic Underwear, polygamy, FOOTLOOSE, cult welfare, "converting" dead people into the LDS, etc...it's going to get nasty. Where will Frank be then?

Probably blame Romney for not revealing himself enough or his church attendance records or give a full account of that time he went to Las Vegas to take a piss.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 03:56 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Nice job Lilo, but I fear nothing will change for a hopefully small minority of people. I think many know the truth but sadly can't accept it.

On another note, Orly Taitz was just on Lawrence O'Donnell's show. OMG! lol O'Donnell wanted her to specifically address the birth certificate that the President released today AND he asked if she'd apologize. That woman is nuts. She kept talking, not answering him but holding up some "selective service" document saying he's committed social security fraud or such???? She SAYS that there's a court date (2 I think) coming up. O'Donnell kept yelling at her to answer the question if the BC was enough for her and she went on a rant about this SS document. He ended up kicking her off and told her to go play with Donald Trump. lol

TIS


I finally saw that interview TIS. She is nuts. Some of her has spread to the Board.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 04:01 AM

Oli,

Both her and O'Donnell were talking at the same time. Could you get exactly which document she had? What was she disputing? Was it his Social Security number???? She's been bitching about the birth certificate all this time and refused to even comment now that it's been debunked (again). Is this the new thing now? I think the college grades are coming into play as well by this nutjobs. confused

TIS
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 12:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
But while we're at, I'll play devil's advocate in this whole birther debate and suggest now that Obama has shown his birth certificate, he should do the same with regards to his passport and travel information.

We know he was in Pakistan in his formative years so what was he doing there? Where did he go to school? Was he under the Islamic Jihadist tutelage like his buddy Reverend Wright? Given his actions and the people he's associated with (anti-American preachers and former terrorist turned academics like Bill Ayers) I think we have a right to know where this guy's been, b/c he's been all over the Islamic world.

So while you're purposely raising fuel prices to benefit your Islamic counterparts and destroying the value of the dollar, why don't you release that passport and tell us exactly what you were doing all over the Middle EAst and North Africa.


Which one of the Fox News folks told you he was in Pakistan during his young years? Could you possibly mean Indonesia?
At least we know there is at least one right winger that is a non-intellectual, although apparently is an elitist. Reverend Wright is a Islamist Jihadist? Is this from the Donald Trump school of ridiculous statements that are meant to be attention grabbers?
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 01:24 PM

Apparently Trump's helicopter landed in some New England town yesterday where he shook hands and pretended to be the next President. He said he was gonna have to examine the birth certificate to determine it's authenticity. "Is it's real? Is it proper?" is what he said.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/reality_intrudes_on_donald_show_vFtp5goa5ZAQFfe4McOBnJ
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 01:36 PM

'Face the Nation' Host: Trump's a Racist!

4/27/2011 8:30 PM PDT by TMZ Staff

The host of "Face the Nation" -- flush with anger -- called Donald Trump a racist.

Bob Schieffer appeared Wednesday night on "The CBS Evening News" and reacted to Trump's latest salvo against President Barack Obama, in which Trump suggested the Prez might not have had the grades to get into Harvard Law School.

Schieffer said, "That's just code for saying he got into law school because he's black. This is an ugly strain of racism that's running through this whole thing."

Earlier in the day, Trump said, "I have friends who have smart sons with great marks, great boards, great everything and they can't get into Harvard. We don't know a thing about this guy. There are a lot of questions that are unanswered about our President."

http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/27/bob-schaff...-school-grades/

Couldn't agree more with Bob Schieffer
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 01:45 PM

Trump is a racist blowhard who is taping into the worst instincts of this country. He is also a total phony. He's not worth 10% of what he claims he is worth, he's prospered by using bankruptcy courts and he is no more serious about running for president than I am.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 01:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
But while we're at, I'll play devil's advocate in this whole birther debate and suggest now that Obama has shown his birth certificate, he should do the same with regards to his passport and travel information.

We know he was in Pakistan in his formative years so what was he doing there? Where did he go to school? Was he under the Islamic Jihadist tutelage like his buddy Reverend Wright? Given his actions and the people he's associated with (anti-American preachers and former terrorist turned academics like Bill Ayers) I think we have a right to know where this guy's been, b/c he's been all over the Islamic world.

So while you're purposely raising fuel prices to benefit your Islamic counterparts and destroying the value of the dollar, why don't you release that passport and tell us exactly what you were doing all over the Middle EAst and North Africa.


Which one of the Fox News folks told you he was in Pakistan during his young years? Could you possibly mean Indonesia?
At least we know there is at least one right winger that is a non-intellectual, although apparently is an elitist. Reverend Wright is a Islamist Jihadist? Is this from the Donald Trump school of ridiculous statements that are meant to be attention grabbers?


He traveled to Pakistan and lots of places as a young man during and after college. This crap is like the nonsense about how Clinton went to Moscow when he was young and was a closet commie. Apparently the wingnuts prefer our leaders to be complete hicks who do not travel, who do not understand the world....like Palin.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 01:47 PM

I hope he does run. I could use the laugh.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 01:49 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Oli,

Both her and O'Donnell were talking at the same time. Could you get exactly which document she had? What was she disputing? Was it his Social Security number???? She's been bitching about the birth certificate all this time and refused to even comment now that it's been debunked (again). Is this the new thing now? I think the college grades are coming into play as well by this nutjobs. confused

TIS


I'm not sure. However, I think she referred to his selective service form and his social security number.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 02:01 PM

Yeah, that was kind of my Michael Richards moment earlier. Sorry if I offended. But it's interesting that folks feel the need to defend scum like Reverend Wright, and that no one's had a rebuttal for the fact that Obama announced his intent to run for President in the home of Bill Ayers, same guy who was leader of a communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s. Political differences aside, because I'm not very political anyway, but these aren't exactly the types of people I want running the country or associating with the leader of this country.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 02:10 PM

I don't think Obama ever tried to defend that moron Reverend Wright. That guy is nothing like Obama. Or that Bill Ayers. Along the way you meet a lot of people and just because you've met them or listened to them speak, it doesn't mean you agree with them. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Obama's an atheist.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
Yeah, that was kind of my Michael Richards moment earlier. Sorry if I offended. But it's interesting that folks feel the need to defend scum like Reverend Wright, and that no one's had a rebuttal for the fact that Obama announced his intent to run for President in the home of Bill Ayers, same guy who was leader of a communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s. Political differences aside, because I'm not very political anyway, but these aren't exactly the types of people I want running the country or associating with the leader of this country.


I had no idea that Bill Ayers lived in the town square of Springfiled Illinois, where Obama actually announced he was running for President.

"Sen. Barack Obama stood before a cheering crowd in his home state Saturday and announced he will seek the 2008 Democratic nomination for president.

Invoking the memory of fellow Illinoisan and the 16th president of the United States, Abraham Lincoln, the first-term senator addressed thousands packed into the Springfield, Illinois, town square on a chilly day in America's heartland." - CNN February 10, 2007
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
Yeah, that was kind of my Michael Richards moment earlier. Sorry if I offended. But it's interesting that folks feel the need to defend scum like Reverend Wright, and that no one's had a rebuttal for the fact that Obama announced his intent to run for President in the home of Bill Ayers, same guy who was leader of a communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s. Political differences aside, because I'm not very political anyway, but these aren't exactly the types of people I want running the country or associating with the leader of this country.



Obama denounced what Wright said, and he barely knows Bill Ayers. Nitti, your sources of information (probably Faux News) are very shaky. Also I am sure you have the same feelings about Bush hanging out with war criminals like Cheney and Rummy.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Nitti, your sources of information (probably Faux News) are very shaky.


I concur. Some of your previous posts about economics seem to be based largely on analyses provided by the Heritage Foundation. You might want to broaden your array of both political and economic sources.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 04:27 PM

Well I don't know what the Heritage Foundation is but I'm familiar with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority and Chartered Financial Analyst associations.

And I guess it was Bill Ayers who was at the home of Obama? Either way he's associated with these people and if you are too that's your right, but expect some slight disagreement.

We ARE at War right now, right? With Islamic extremists among others. Right, wrong, or indifferent we have to take war time precautions, IMO. Thus perhaps this whole birther or whatever you wish to call it business is somewhat justified on those grounds.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 04:36 PM

Most of these presidents knew people who could be considered negative characters. I will bet you a million bucks Reagan had at least two crooked friends in Hollywood, and by the way, wasn't he friendly with Sinatra? Sinatra, the biggest mob groupie since Virginia Hill.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti

And I guess it was Bill Ayers who was at the home of Obama? Either way he's associated with these people and if you are too that's your right, but expect some slight disagreement.


Have you ever talked to someone who might be considered a crook or a shady individual? Maybe found out later this guy was no good? Well, I have.

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti

We ARE at War right now, right? With Islamic extremists among others. Right, wrong, or indifferent we have to take war time precautions, IMO. Thus perhaps this whole birther or whatever you wish to call it business is somewhat justified on those grounds.


What? What does the war against Islamic extremists have to do with that birther nonsense? You wanna make sure he's not one of the Islamic extremists?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 05:34 PM

To lighten the mood a bit, here's a segment by Steven Colbert who is insisting that Obama release his elementary school records. lol

(it's funny yet it's not because this could end up as ridiculous as this sounds, being an issue with the nutjobs and the rightwing media. rolleyes


TIS




http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert...-s-report-cards
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 05:44 PM

lol Yeah have him release his elementary records!!! I also want to see his dental records. It would be unacceptable to have a president with bad teeth!
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
Well
And I guess it was Bill Ayers who was at the home of Obama? Either way he's associated with these people and if you are too that's your right, but expect some slight disagreement.

We ARE at War right now, right? With Islamic extremists among others. Right, wrong, or indifferent we have to take war time precautions, IMO. Thus perhaps this whole birther or whatever you wish to call it business is somewhat justified on those grounds.


The announcement was made in Springfield, IL at the town square. It was not at Ayer's house, or Obama's house. Your sources are questionable, at best.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
To lighten the mood a bit, here's a segment by Steven Colbert who is insisting that Obama release his elementary school records. lol


TIS


I don't know why they just don't interview the other babies who were in the maternity ward nursery with the President when they were born. Surely, they would remember him.




Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
Well
And I guess it was Bill Ayers who was at the home of Obama? Either way he's associated with these people and if you are too that's your right, but expect some slight disagreement.

We ARE at War right now, right? With Islamic extremists among others. Right, wrong, or indifferent we have to take war time precautions, IMO. Thus perhaps this whole birther or whatever you wish to call it business is somewhat justified on those grounds.


The announcement was made in Springfield, IL at the town square. It was not at Ayer's house, or Obama's house. Your sources are questionable, at best.


I remember that announcement very well (as I'm sure many here do) and Don Marco is correct. Frank, I don't know where you got the info but it's not correct. confused


TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
[quote=The Italian Stallionette]To lighten the mood a bit, here's a segment by Steven Colbert who is insisting that Obama release his elementary school records. lol


TIS


I don't know why they just don't interview the other babies who were in the maternity ward nursery with the President when they were born. Surely, they would remember him.




Oli,

They could have film (8mm likely) tongue of Obama's mother delivering her baby in front of a popular Hawaiian site and that still would not be good enough for the whackos. lol If I were advising Obama, I'd say release NOTHING more because NOTHING will be enough for these people. rolleyes

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 06:00 PM

Okay, let's settle this. The President started his political career by running for the Illinois State Senate. Bill Ayer's hosted a fund raising event for the President during that campaign.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Okay, let's settle this. The President started his political career by running for the Illinois State Senate. Bill Ayer's hosted a fund raising event for the President during that campaign.


Oli,

Settle this???? Surely you jest? wink Ah, if only it were that simple hu? Mind if I'm a tad skeptical? lol


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/28/11 09:26 PM

Well, settle the facts regarding the launching of his presidential campaign.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/29/11 02:05 AM

After reading some remarks on various sites of those who STILL refuse to believe this birth certificate is on the level, I had to laugh at this remark.

"The AFTERbirthers are STILLbirthers". lol


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/29/11 07:27 PM

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/29/11 08:02 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
After reading some remarks on various sites of those who STILL refuse to believe this birth certificate is on the level, I had to laugh at this remark.

"The AFTERbirthers are STILLbirthers". lol


TIS


lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/30/11 08:29 PM

Bachmann uses Holocaust to illustrate tax point

Quote:
Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann on Saturday described the loss of "economic liberty" that young Americans face today as a "flash point of history" in which the younger generation will ask what their elders did to stop it.

In a speech to New Hampshire Republicans, Bachmann recounted learning about a horrific time in history as a child — the Holocaust — and wondering if her mother did anything to stop it. She said she was shocked to hear that many Americans weren't aware that millions of Jews had died until after World War II ended.

Bachmann said the next generation will ask similar questions about what their elders did to prevent them from facing a huge tax burden.

"I tell you this story because I think in our day and time, there is no analogy to that horrific action," she said, referring to the Holocaust. "But only to say, we are seeing eclipsed in front of our eyes a similar death and a similar taking away. It is this disenfranchisement that I think we have to answer to."

The generation of Americans just entering the work force now could eventually see 75 percent of their earnings sucked up by income taxes, Social Security and Medicare, Bachmann said. Those young workers are going to wonder what people were doing while "watching quite literally our economic liberty pulled out from under us."

source: AP
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/30/11 10:18 PM

Mitt Romney:

Quote:
We're going to hang him with that -- uh, so to speak, metaphorically, with, uh, you have to be careful these days, I learned that -- with an Obama Misery Index.



*face palm*
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/30/11 11:13 PM

And I just know I'm the only one watching the "red carpet arrivals" at the White House Correspondence" dinner and roast. lol On C-Span if any other nerd is interested. Donald Trump walked in a few minutes ago. eek


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 12:39 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
And I just know I'm the only one watching the "red carpet arrivals" at the White House Correspondence" dinner and roast. lol On C-Span if any other nerd is interested. Donald Trump walked in a few minutes ago. eek


TIS


Our next President will be seating next to John Boehner.

~I bet the Speaker liked that photo-op flop just waiting for him tonight.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 01:27 AM

I heard that John Boehner looked at Trump's hair and cried. cry cry cry cry

In the meantime, I heard Congressman Anthony Weiner was hilarious at the Congressional Correspondent's Dinner. My favorite? He told Boehner to just pronounce his name the way it sounds.

“And really, who is Boehner fooling? What am I, like, 'Anthony Wainer?' I'm serious, brother, just embrace it."
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 02:05 AM

Obama is speaking now. His first sentence he said who he was and "I am an American." lol



TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 02:20 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Obama is speaking now. His first sentence he said who he was and "I am an American." lol



TIS


The President was pretty funny.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 02:30 AM

Yea, he was pretty good. I wonder how Donald will reply to all the jokes he made about him.


smile

(Glad I'm not the only one tuning it.) wink



TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 02:33 AM

Oli,

Are you hearing the jokes Seth is making about Trump????? OMG! lol

"Donald Trump says if he runs he'll run as a Republican. I thought he was running as a joke." Then he comments about the rug on his head or something.

Trump doesn't seem to be amused from what I see.

TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 02:48 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Trump doesn't seem to be amused from what I see.


I caught the last of this and saw some of the highlights. It was hilarious to see Donald Trump's stoneface!!!

(I was watching a movie and didn't know this was being televised. I'm sorry I missed it).
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 02:49 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Oli,

Are you hearing the jokes Seth is making about Trump????? OMG! lol

"Donald Trump says if he runs he'll run as a Republican. I thought he was running as a joke." Then he comments about the rug on his head or something.

Trump doesn't seem to be amused from what I see.

TIS


No, I didn't catch that part of his routine. I'll try to catch it on the web.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 03:05 AM

I'm sure it'll air again. I didn't think it'd be on live so when I googled to see when it would be showing on tv and found that it was today live. I'll bet it'll play again tomorrow at least.

smile



TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 03:38 AM

I thought the President releasing the "video" of his birth was very funny. lol

For those who didn't see it, he used the clip from "The Lion King" that showed Simba's birth, and it had the date and time of the President's birth superimposed on it.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 06:35 PM

Here's some Strudel for Apple:

I just listened to Chris Wallace interview Michele Bachmann on Fox. Wallace recited her claim that the federal government controls over 51% of American business. He counterd that his staff determined that the federal government's investment in busines amounted to only 1.3%. She rationalized her figure by stating that she was quoting an unnamed professor's figures and Investment Business Daily figures. Of course, Wallace then failed to probe the subject any further and question her abou that huge discrpancy in figures or why she did not research her sources. Of course, neither or Wallace's failures were unexpected.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/11 11:15 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Here's some Strudel for Apple:

I just listened to Chris Wallace interview Michele Bachmann on Fox. Wallace recited her claim that the federal government controls over 51% of American business. He counterd that his staff determined that the federal government's investment in busines amounted to only 1.3%. She rationalized her figure by stating that she was quoting an unnamed professor's figures and Investment Business Daily figures. Of course, Wallace then failed to probe the subject any further and question her abou that huge discrpancy in figures or why she did not research her sources. Of course, neither or Wallace's failures were unexpected.


I learned long ago not to expect accuracy from anything she says. It is obvious that she does not have "fact checkers" on her staff, or even worse that she does not believe Americans deserve to be told the truth. It is either the Revolutionary War starting at Lexington and Concord, according to her in New Hampshire or the founding fathers making sure that they did away with slavery. Either one is a question that could be on "Are Your Smarter Than a Fifth Grader".
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 02:45 PM

Does bin laden's death seal President Obama's re-election?

I believe it does (not that the Donald led tea baggers had much of a chance anyway lol).
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Does bin laden's death seal President Obama's re-election?

I believe it does (not that the Donald led tea baggers had much of a chance anyway lol).


You'd think, but remember the elder Bush thought winning the first war in Iraq sealed his re-election in 1992.

The nut jobs are already underplaying Obama's brilliant handling of this, and since this president isn't going to
publicize what he did by dressing up and landing on an aircraft carrier with a Mision Accomplished banner, he is not guaranteed reelection.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
and since this president isn't going to publicize what he did by dressing up and landing on an aircraft carrier with a Mision Accomplished banner, he is not guaranteed reelection.

Leave it to a Florida lawyer to throw cold water on the whole thing tongue lol.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 03:06 PM

Remember this?

“"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important.­"
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

Mission abandoned.
__________­__________­__________­__________­_____


"We will kill bin Laden.”
- Barack Obama, 10/07/08

“Justice has been done.”
- Barack Obama 05/01/11

Mission Accomplish­ed. smile


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 03:09 PM

Tis,

In all fairness to former President Goober, he wanted to capture/kill Osama as much as anyone. If anything, he was too obsessed with the whole thing, and he certainly wasn't the type of guy who could multi-task lol.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 03:13 PM

I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important.­" confused


Maybe at first, but....Sorry PB, I'm not buying it.



TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 03:22 PM

I don't understand why Bush didn't send Cheney over to Pakistan to go hunting with bin Laden.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 03:24 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
I don't understand why Bush didn't send Cheney over to Pakistan to go hunting with bin Laden.

Why didn't I think of that? lol
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 03:26 PM

In 20/20 hindsight, its clear that G.W.Bush was being led around by the nose by Cheney, Rummy and Rove. When it suited them to have Bin Laden as the enemy right after 9/11, Bush made his original comments. After that when they could not get him, and after they took their eye off the ball by going into Iraq, Bush had to downplay the importance of O.B.L.

It was gracious of Obama to call Bush before going public with the news, and gracious of Bush to congratulate the president.
Note that Rumy made some kind of snotty comment about how the original tip that led to this came from Guantanamo. What a jerk.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Does bin laden's death seal President Obama's re-election?


Probably.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I thought the President releasing the "video" of his birth was very funny. lol

For those who didn't see it, he used the clip from "The Lion King" that showed Simba's birth, and it had the date and time of the President's birth superimposed on it.


Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 08:15 PM

Where are Biggie and Tupac? lol lol
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 08:30 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Where are Biggie and Tupac? lol lol


Yeah, I didn't get that.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 08:37 PM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Where are Biggie and Tupac? lol lol

Yeah, I didn't get that.

It was just hyperbole, Vin. Obama was just throwing out other conspiracy theories that are as zany as those of his birther critics.

Evidently, some wingnuts think Biggie and Tupac are alive and well, and living with Elvis, at an interracial, homosexual, nude resort in Aruba.

Vive la différence!
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/11 08:56 PM

I knew he was trying to tie that together, but I would've worded that differently. Biggie's name shouldn't even be there. I would've said "Is Tupac really dead?".
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 06:19 PM

Poll Bounce from Skull Pounce.

Washington Post-Pew Poll: Obama at 56%

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_05022011.html
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 06:31 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Poll Bounce from Skull Pounce.

Washington Post-Pew Poll: Obama at 56%

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_05022011.html


Is the American public fickle or what?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 06:45 PM

Imagine the debate next year when the GOP candidate (Romney?) will push on how Obama was this, that making American national security weaker blah blah...and Obama could just bring out Osama's skull.

End of argument.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 06:51 PM

They're already talking about how Obama's comments about killing bin-Laden during the 2008 debates, will probably be one of Obama's first reelection ads.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 07:17 PM


This is a big plus for Obama, but much will depend on the economy and its state by election time. Obama has a full plate that's for sure. Then again, with the current Republican list of possibles, he may just have it nailed. lol

Btw, I heard earlier that Romney was NOT going to attend the first Republican debate (in June I think). confused Although I am not a fan he's the only one of the group that I take as a serious contender.


Speaking of polls, I don't have it at my fingertips but I heard earlier today that since OBL's capture/death, support for the Afghan war has gone up.

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 08:41 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


Speaking of polls, I don't have it at my fingertips but I heard earlier today that since OBL's capture/death, support for the Afghan war has gone up.

TIS


I wonder when (OK if) people start demanding seriously that we get out?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 09:10 PM

Quote:
"In the Post-Pew poll, 69 percent of respondents said that they approve of Obama’s handling of the threat of terrorism, the highest rating since he became president in 2009. And more than three-quarters of Americans believe that Obama deserves credit for bin Laden’s death, with 35 percent saying he should get “a great deal” of credit for the terrorist leader’s killing.

(That number falls substantially among GOP respondents. While about six-in-ten self-identified Republicans say the president deserves “some” recognition for the successful operation in Abbottabad, just 17 percent say he is worthy of “a great deal” of credit. Over 80 percent of Republicans say that laurel should go to former President George W. Bush.)"

rolleyes
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 09:15 PM

Republicans who say that are akin to Democrats who refused to give Reagan credit for ending the Cold War.

I mean seriously. Even Dick Cheney gave Obama some credit.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 09:56 PM

My neighbor was an Italian who spoke broken English. He would have referred to this negativity as a "cracker of shit". Rightly so, I might add.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 10:03 PM

Madonne! The election is 18 months away. Any number of variables can intervene to skew the election one way or the other. There are lessons regarding such. President Bush had a 90s+ rating after Gulf I which pretty quickly dissipated.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 10:15 PM

I agree. Anything can happen. I still think that some "mystery" person will show up as a candidate for the GOP. I mean, this can't be it. lol

Seriously, nobody on either side should get overly confident this early in the game......although no law against keeping hopeful. smile


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 10:19 PM

I'm fairly sure that one thing and one thing only will impact the outcome of the election - the economy. It's what undid Bush I, and it could potentially undo this President as well. Keeping a roof over your head, making sure you have enough food for your family, and feeling secure in your job. Add a few little luxuries like buying a new car or taking a nice vacation, if people can have and/or feel those things, partisan politics, shmartisan politics. Whoever will make them feel secure (and not necessarily in a Homeland Security kind of way) will get the votes.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/11 10:39 PM

Bush Sr.'s fatal flaw asides from the economy was that the worst thing that happened to him was also the best thing for the world: End of the Cold War.

The fall of the Soviet Union made 1992 the first Presidential election since 1936 when foreign affairs wasn't a critical issue between the candidates and for the voters.

Nor wouldn't be again until 2004.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 12:52 AM

As SB stated, it will come down to the state of the economy (as it usually does).
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 02:21 AM

Trump's 2012 campaign poster:



Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 02:26 AM

Ha ha ha ha! That's great. lol Notice The Donald has been quiet for what 2 days now????? wink Maybe he's getting his hair done.



TIS
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 02:28 AM

Would any of you consider voting for Palin? Don't forget, she knows her stuff.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 03:09 AM

If by "her stuff" you mean any of the following: wearing a tiara in a beauty pageant, whoring herself and her children to make a buck, resigning from a job before achieving any goals, unable to name a newspaper she's ever read, and spreading rumor, innuendo and rhetoric, and pandering to the lowest denominator, then YES, she knows her stuff.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 03:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
If by "her stuff" you mean any of the following: wearing a tiara in a beauty pageant, whoring herself and her children to make a buck, resigning from a job before achieving any goals, unable to name a newspaper she's ever read, and spreading rumor, innuendo and rhetoric, and pandering to the lowest denominator, then YES, she knows her stuff.


That's precisely what I meant. To put it more delicately: She knows her bullshit.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 03:31 AM

Too bad Sarah aint running. She would've been a total hoot.

And I mean total hoot as in being possibly the biggest polluter of bullshit and supplier of the most impulsive NeoCon/Evangelical redmeat in possibly the worst shittiest GOP presidential field in the Primary era of American politics.

~Her biggest contribution woulda been to tarnish Romney. Bachmann can fill that role.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 03:36 AM

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 03:39 AM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous


Jesus Vinny. lol

~I'm suddenly reminded of that "parody" porno that Hustler made back in the day. Why is that?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 02:31 PM

Palin thanked everyone involved with bin Ladens's death EXCEPT President Obama. That's a move that has even the Righties shaking their heads. It will cost her plenty of votes should she decide to ever enter the political arena again. You can now add classless to go along with crazy and stupid when describing her.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Palin thanked everyone involved with bin Ladens's death EXCEPT President Obama. That's a move that has even the Righties shaking their heads. It will cost her plenty of votes should she decide to ever enter the political arena again. You can now add classless to go along with crazy and stupid when describing her.



The real cure for having to put up with Palin and Trump would be for the media and all of us to ignore them. They are attention seeking psychotics who have absolutely nothing to add to serious discourse.
As a democrat, and someone who lans to vote for Obama in 2012, however, I hope this GOP clown show continues.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 11:13 PM

As pizzaboy said, that GOP field is garbage. The only "legit" candidate is Romney, and his campaign is a house of cards.

Hell I'll laugh my ass off next year if he gets the nomination and the local GOPers will all stump rhetorically for Mitt. and RomneyCare. Awesome.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/11 11:37 PM

I agree that so far Mitt is the only one to take as a serious contender. And, he's not even going to be at the first debate. confused

Oh, and I know he won't win BUT Ron Paul has always had a strong following. He wasn't allowed in the last election debates was he? Yet, he might as well pack it in. I mean he can't win anyway.

I still say there is so much time until the next election, that someone else will become a front runner. Christie (NJ) is my guess. Not to say he'd win,but you never know.


I like DT's description...."Republican Clown show." lol Speaking of clown shows, I thought Trump was ruling in the ratings. lol And Gingrich "acted" like he was gonna run. Did he decide not to?



TIS
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 05/05/11 12:35 AM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
...The real cure for having to put up with Palin and Trump would be for the media and all of us to ignore them...


And so far, neither of you are doing a very good job of it.

If they are seeking your attention...they are apparently getting it.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/05/11 01:06 AM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
...The real cure for having to put up with Palin and Trump would be for the media and all of us to ignore them...


And so far, neither of you are doing a very good job of it.

If they are seeking your attention...they are apparently getting it.



It's just pity.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/05/11 02:42 PM

First GOP Primary debate tonight, 9PM.

Most of the bigguns won't show up. It'll be just captain charisma himself Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick "17 points" Santorum, Texas Congressman Ron Pau, businessman Herman Cain, and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson.

The only good thing from this is both Paul and Johnson are pro-pot law reform.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/05/11 06:08 PM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
...The real cure for having to put up with Palin and Trump would be for the media and all of us to ignore them...


And so far, neither of you are doing a very good job of it.

If they are seeking your attention...they are apparently getting it.



They have my attention. So did Rodney Dangerfield and Don Rickles.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/05/11 06:51 PM

Apple, liberals/Democrats concentrate on Palin/Rush because its porn for them.

~Except less silicone. Rush definately has the boobs though.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/07/11 03:59 AM

Set-up move for '16, or 2nd spot in '12.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal releases his birth certificate

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/05/gov_bobby_jindal_releases_his.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/07/11 04:44 AM

Fox News' GOP Debate Debacle

Quote:
The first clue this debate was a disaster was when the moderators began to ask the placeholders on stage about candidates who weren’t even there: Mitt Rom-bot, Trump, Daniels, Huckabee, Bachmann, Gingrich, and Trump, again.


Quote:
Ironically for a network accused of right-wing bias, Fox may have done the Republican Party a monumental disservice. In the midst of one of the Obama administration’s greatest achievements—the killing of Osama bin Laden—the network made the Republican presidential primary look like a low-budget Star Trek convention, where only the guy who played Dr. McCoy and a bunch of extras bothered to show up. And the network’s overuse of a loud, annoying Price Is Right bell to cut candidates off in mid-sentence only added to the aura that this affair was a tawdry game show waiting for someone to mercifully hit a gong.


Quote:
Narrowly losing to Fox News for worst idea of the night was the attendance of actual legitimate contender—until tonight, at least—Tim Pawlenty. If I’d been there to watch the governor walk onto the stage, I would have screamed at him, Admiral Ackbar-style: “It’s a trap!” Undoubtedly his advisers thought the Minnesota governor would look like a president standing next to all these . . . I’m running out of synonyms for also-rans. He didn’t. His advisers also must have told Pawlenty to move his hands frequently, as if to give off a sense that he is actually animated. What does it say about our would-be presidential nominee when he couldn’t really outshine Gary Johnson (Who?)?


Quote:
I’m loath to acknowledge this, but by far the shrewdest candidate of the evening was Mitt Romney, for whatever excuse he had for ducking this mess (perhaps because he couldn’t reschedule his annual tune-up.) For the first time in four years, I actually missed him, his metallic hair, and his traveling Power Point caravan.

The most notable fact of the whole encounter, however, is this: Donald Trump would have outshone any of them without even trying. I’m not sure what that says about the status of the GOP race in 2012, but it definitely isn’t good.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-s...debate-debacle/

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/07/11 04:59 AM

Old news from a week ago, but this is just pathetic.

Newt Gingrich Finds Trouble in Raising Campaign Funds

Quote:

The former U.S. House speaker's American Solutions political action committee took in only $53,000 in the first three months of this year, Politico reported Wednesday, citing a report it filed with the Federal Election Commission Tuesday night.

source: UPI
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/07/11 05:14 AM

On Hannity one of the conservative panelists stated that the winner of the debate was President Obama and heroin.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/08/11 12:49 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
On Hannity one of the conservative panelists stated that the winner of the debate was President Obama and heroin.


HA!

The real loser was definately Pawlenty. The only "serious" candidate of that bunch, he should have won it easily. Becauase as much as I love Paul and Johnson, they're not gonna do jackshit. Cain won't neither, nor Santorum.

If Paws couldn't beat never-will-bes and has-beens, he can't beat a Romney or shit even a Bachmann.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/11 10:11 AM

AP-Gfk poll: Obama approval hits 60 percent

By LIZ SIDOTI and JENNIFER AGIESTA, Associated Press

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's approval rating has hit its highest point in two years — 60 percent — and more than half of Americans now say he deserves to be re-elected, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll taken after U.S. forces killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

In worrisome signs for Republicans, the president's standing improved not just on foreign policy but also on the economy, and independent Americans — a key voting bloc in the November 2012 presidential election — caused the overall uptick in support by sliding back to Obama after fleeing for much of the past two years.

Comfortable majorities of the public now call Obama a strong leader who will keep America safe. Nearly three-fourths — 73 percent — also now say they are confident that Obama can effectively handle terrorist threats. And he improved his standing on Afghanistan, Iraq and the United States' relationships with other countries.

Despite a sluggish recovery from the Great Recession, 52 percent of Americans now approve of Obama's stewardship of the economy, giving him his best rating on that issue since the early days of his presidency; 52 percent also now like how he's handling the nation's stubbornly high 9 percent unemployment.

The economy remains Americans' top issue.

Impressions of the nation's fiscal outlook have improved following last Friday's positive jobs report, which showed American companies are on a hiring spree. More people now say that the economy got better in the past month and that it's likely to continue doing so in the coming year.

Also, more Americans — 45 percent, up from 35 percent in March — say the country is headed in the right direction. Still, about half — 52 percent — say it's on the wrong track, meaning Obama still has work to do to convince a restive public to stay with the status quo.

Some have seen enough to know they'll stick with him.

"I was happy about bin Laden," says Brenda Veckov, 42, of Hollidaysburg, Pa. "I put my fists in the air. To me, it was just a little bit of closure for the United States."

"The president made the right decisions on this one. And I will vote for him again."

Not everyone has such an optimistic view of Obama.

"I'm very concerned" about the country, says Susan Demarest in Snellville, Ga., 56, who didn't support the Democrat last time and won't this time. "I'm in my 50s and I worry that I'm not going to be able to retire at a reasonable age and enjoy the end of my life because of Medicare and Social Security and the debt of the country." Still, she says Obama doesn't carry all of the blame.

Obama's overall political boost comes at an important time. He is embarking on his re-election campaign and is in the early days of a debate with Republicans who control the House over raising the country's debt limit. But it's unclear how long Obama's strengthened standing will last in the aftermath of bin Laden's death.

Americans say they overwhelmingly approve of the military's handling of the risky nighttime mission in Abbottabad, Pakistan. But it hasn't changed public opinion on the war in Afghanistan; most still are opposed to it, and a big majority favors Obama's plan to withdraw all combat troops by 2014.

Overall, Obama's approval rating is up from 53 percent in March and a 47 percent low point following last fall's midterm congressional elections, in which Republicans won control of the House and gained seats in the Senate. It was 64 percent in May 2009, just months after he was sworn into office.

Also, 53 percent now say he deserves to be re-elected; 43 percent say he should be fired, making it the first time in an AP-GfK poll that more people say he should get a second term than not.

"I have the impression that Barack Obama works really hard for Americans and that I see his leadership as something that should be continued," says independent voter Allison Kaplan, 25, in Austin, Texas, who voted for him in 2008. She praises the administration for handling bin Laden's raid well — "the way that it happened was the correct way" — and it reinforced her support of the president.

Nearly two-thirds of Americans who call themselves political independents now approve of him; only about half did in March. They were critical to his 2008 victory but many had fled as his administration increased government spending and passed a sweeping health care overhaul. They could just as easily turn away again between now and next fall.

Bryan Noonan, 23, of Hampstead, N.H., is one of those independents. He backed Obama in 2008 and is likely to vote for the president again, given the other options.

"I haven't been real impressed by the Republicans," he says. He doesn't hold Obama accountable for the sluggish economy or rising gas prices, issues Noonan says seem "out of his hands. It's not like there's a magic solution."

Noonan likes Obama's foreign policies and applauds the killing of bin Laden, saying: "I was pretty much relieved, happy to hear that we got him. The president absolutely deserves credit."

Among the poll's other findings:

• Sixty-nine percent say Obama will keep America safe, up from 61 percent in March; 65 percent call him a "strong leader," up from 57 percent.

• Sixty-three percent say Obama cares about people like them; 63 percent also say that he understands the problems of ordinary Americans.

• Sixty-three percent view Obama favorably, up from 59 percent in March.

Still, his re-election is far from certain. And there are warning signs in the poll.

_Nearly two-thirds of people — 61 percent — disapprove of his handling on gas prices, even though there's little a president can do about them.

_Less than half give him positive marks on dealing with the federal budget deficit or taxes, two big upcoming issues.

The Associated Press-GfK Poll was conducted May 5-9 by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Corporate Communications. It involved landline and cellphone interviews with 1,001 adults nationwide and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.2 percentage points.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/11 06:44 PM

At this point in both presidencies, at Gallup he's got 8 higher points than Reagan was. And tied w/ Clinton and Nixon.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/11 11:13 PM

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/11 11:22 PM

Someone on-line basically summarizes Mitt Romney's official position on Healthcare.

Quote:
If we lived in a country where every citizen was required by the national government to obtain health insurance, it would be tyranny. But if we lived in a country where every citizen was required by their state government to obtain health insurance, it would be ideal.


You all got that? Good.

btw, did you all know Romney backed a Healthcare mandate in '94?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/...te-in-1994.aspx
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/11 11:37 PM

RR,


I'm sure you've heard about Pima County AZ wanting to secede and become it's own state of Baja Arizona? uhwhat Apparently it is a liberal area surrounded by Conservatism.


http://www.parkerliveonline.com/2011/05/11/pima-county-to-secede-from-arizona/


Oh, and did you hear about the freshmen republicans who are asking the Dems to let bygones be bygones and not bring up the fact that all the Reps voted to fix (end) medicare? Yea right, that's gonna happen. lol


It's a strange strange time we live in.

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/11 11:43 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
RR,


I'm sure you've heard about Pima County AZ wanting to secede and become it's own state of Baja Arizona? uhwhat Apparently it is a liberal area surrounded by Conservatism.

http://www.parkerliveonline.com/2011/05/11/pima-county-to-secede-from-arizona/


Baja Arizona? Really? That's the best they could cook up? Sounds like a lousy taco shop.

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


Oh, and did you hear about the freshmen republicans who are asking the Dems to let bygones be bygones and not bring up the fact that all the Reps voted to fix (end) medicare? Yea right, that's gonna happen. lol


We should be encouraging their attempts to Obamacare Medicare. I mean their leading '12 candidate is the father of RomneyCare. We're all behind HC Reform. wink

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


It's a strange strange time we live in.

TIS


Yeah no kidding.

Newt officially threw his hat into the ring today. A real blast from the past who seriously could equally match-up with Bubba Clinton in the Slimeball Marathon.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/11 11:51 PM

As far as Newt goes, I don't know. I mean, if I were him, I think I would have abandoned any hopes of being President. Then again, I suppose at THIS point anyway, it's a clown show anyhow, anyone can join in. lol

Like I always remind myself though, there is plenty of time and plenty can happen. I still think the Right will latch on to a candidate and come together. I just think, of the current choice, it's gotta be Romney. But, what do I know? wink


TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 12:20 AM

I won't vote for a salamander.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 07:34 PM

What's the difference between ObamaCare and RomneyCare?

Obamacare doesn't cover abortions.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/05/12/romneycare-obamacare-similarities/

(The front-running GOP candidate signing off on a government-supported pro-choice measure? That'll fly really well with the party base. Bye Bye Mittens.)
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 07:45 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
What's the difference between ObamaCare and RomneyCare?

Obamacare doesn't cover abortions.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/05/12/romneycare-obamacare-similarities/

(The front-running GOP candidate signing off on a government-supported pro-choice measure? That'll fly really well with the party base. Bye Bye Mittens.)



Ha ha ha ha!!! Poor Mitt has to keep trying to put a good spin on this. lol That's hilarious.






TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 10:58 PM

Wall Street Journal declares war on Mitt Romney.

Obama's Running Mate: Mitt Romney's ObamaCare problem.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703864204576317413439329644.html
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 10:59 PM

Surprising, Ronnie.

The WSJ is usually so liberal that I sometimes think I'm reading the Times whistle.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 11:02 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Surprising, Ronnie.

The WSJ is usually so liberal that I sometimes think I'm reading the Times whistle.


I was going to assume you're being sarcastic buddy. This is the WSJ owned by Rupert Murdoch.

All I'll say more is: Go Bachmann '12!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 11:05 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Surprising, Ronnie.

The WSJ is usually so liberal that I sometimes think I'm reading the Times whistle.


I was going to assume you're being sarcastic buddy. This is the WSJ owned by Rupert Murdoch.

All I'll say more is: Go Bachmann '12!

Of course I'm being sarcastic! lol lol

I buy the NY Post out of force of habit. I've been buying it every day for over thirty years. But I wouldn't read the Murdoch's WSJ if it came with a free webcam link to Eva Mendes's toilet.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 11:07 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy


I buy the NY Post out of force of habit. I've been buying it every day for over thirty years. But I wouldn't read the Murdoch's WSJ if it came with a free webcam link to Eva Mendes's toilet.


Are you Chuck Berry?

~NY Post can be right-wing pricks, but they can deliver some hilarious headlines.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 11:11 PM

Yeah, the Post can be a riot sometimes. I love to read Andrea Peyser. We're diametrically opposed politically, but she's so batshit, conservative insane, that I can't help but laugh out loud when I read her column. I e-mail her once a week to drive her nuts. I swear to God lol.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 11:25 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Yeah, the Post can be a riot sometimes. I love to read Andrea Peyser. We're diametrically opposed politically, but she's so batshit, conservative insane, that I can't help but laugh out loud when I read her column. I e-mail her once a week to drive her nuts. I swear to God lol.


I like the Post because it's honest about what it is: A trashy tabloid. If TMZ was based in NYC instead of LA and published a newspaper, it would be the New York Post.

The irony is that the Mainstream Media, especially prime time on the cable news networks, operate now like tabloids (minus the fun) yet still demand respect as "legitimate."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 11:31 PM

fyi that WSJ hit piece was published today because Romney was giving his speech at University of Michigan supposedly explaining why his "RomneyCare" was super for Massachusetts but "Obamacare" national is bad.

I haven't read said speech (Jesus I have a life people*) but columnist Avik Roy at National Review did and replied:

"Mitt Romney just gave a more articulate defense of Obamacare than President Obama ever has."

http://www.nationalreview.com/critical-c...ddress-avik-roy

*=Though the 10,000+ posts seem to indicate otherwise....
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/11 11:32 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I like the Post because it's honest about what it is: A trashy tabloid.

Perfectly put.

They don't pretend to be anything they're not. So in a funny way, I kind of respect them.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/13/11 09:33 PM

Romney is sweating what this "announcement" will be.

Quote:
Mike Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas, will announce on Saturday whether he will run for president, the producer of his show on the Fox News Channel said Friday.

“Governor Huckabee will announce tomorrow night on his program whether or not he intends to explore a presidential bid,” Woody Fraser, the executive producer of “Huckabee” said in a statement. “He has not told anyone at FOX News Channel his decision.”

Senior political aides to Mr. Huckabee also said Friday they do not know what he will decide, raising suspicions that Mr. Huckabee will take a pass on another campaign.

source: NYT
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/14/11 05:58 AM

Unshockingly, the DNC just put out a video featuring TV pundits pounding on Mitt Romney's recent Healthcare speech, ripping him to shreds. And why not? He's maybe the only serious GOP national candidate who tries to act like a statesman, not like a clown as the rest of the field have been doing so far.

But here's the kicker: All the TV pundits the DNC ad feature are Fox News pundits.

See kids, in sex terminology, this is what we call a handjob.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/14/11 12:47 PM

Christie Won't Say if He Believes in Evolution

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) "refused to comment when asked if he believes in evolution or the theory of creationism when asked at a press conference earlier today," the Newark Star Ledger reports.

Said Christie: "That's none of your business."

Source: Political Wire
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/14/11 07:29 PM

as Vince McMahon would say, book it!

High schooler challenges Michele Bachmann to Constitution showdown

Quote:
Dear Representative Bachmann,


My name is Amy Myers. I am a Cherry Hill, New Jersey sophomore attending Cherry Hill High School East. As a typical high school student, I have found quite a few of your statements regarding The Constitution of the United States, the quality of public school education and general U.S. civics matters to be factually incorrect, inaccurately applied or grossly distorted. The frequency and scope of these comments prompted me to write this letter.


Though I am not in your home district, or even your home state, you are a United States Representative of some prominence who is subject to national media coverage. News outlets and websites across this country profile your causes and viewpoints on a regular basis. As one of a handful of women in Congress, you hold a distinct privilege and responsibility to better represent your gender nationally. The statements you make help to serve an injustice to not only the position of Congresswoman, but women everywhere. Though politically expedient, incorrect comments cast a shadow on your person and by unfortunate proxy, both your supporters and detractors alike often generalize this shadow to women as a whole.


Rep. Bachmann, the frequent inability you have shown to accurately and factually present even the most basic information about the United States led me to submit the follow challenge, pitting my public education against your advanced legal education:


I, Amy Myers, do hereby challenge Representative Michele Bachmann to a Public Forum Debate and/or Fact Test on The Constitution of the United States, United States History and United States Civics.


Hopefully, we will be able to meet for such an event, as it would prove to be enlightening.


Sincerely yours,
Amy Myers
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/14/11 07:51 PM

I'm sure as Amy says, "it would prove to be enlightening," which is why Bachman won't do it. lol It ain't gonna happen. Nice idea though. wink


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/14/11 08:25 PM

Go Amy!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/15/11 02:17 AM

Huckabee just announced that he's not running in '12.

~Meanwhile, orgasmic celebration noises reported at the homes of Romney, Pawlenty, Newt, and Bachmann.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/15/11 02:39 AM

Halperin:

Quote:
Mike Huckabee's decision not to run leaves a lot up for grabs: Iowa, evangelical voters, South Carolina, the populism space, the anti-Big Business space. And it isn't clear which of the other strong candidates are best equipped to take advantage of his absence in these areas. In his Saturday night announcement, Huckabee went through an extended, proud litany of his strengths (such as his poll standing), but in fact he was a more formidable candidate than he even suggested. He had a clear path to the nomination and a level of support at the grassroots that almost no one in the race -- or poised to enter -- can match.

One thing's for sure: Huckabee will do what he can to make certain that his nemesis, current frontrunner Mitt Romney, is not the party's nominee. What actions that will lead him to take are no more clear than Huckabee's explanation of why he decided not to run.

http://thepage.time.com/2011/05/14/huck-says-no/#ixzz1MNu8fsqK
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/15/11 03:42 AM

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 11:16 AM

Washington, May 16: US Representative Ron Paul (R-Texas) has refused to back down from his earlier comments about Osama bin Laden, saying the Obama administration should have relied on the Pakistani government to arrest the killed al-Qaeda leader and turn him over to U.S. authorities.

"Why are we having trouble with the Pakistani government, why are we stirring up a civil war in Pakistan? It's because we've been bombing it," Paul said on "Fox News Sunday," Politico quoted him, as saying.


http://www.dailyindia.com/show/440044.php
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 02:17 PM

Saturday night Live had a debate line up of the GOP hopefuls and parts of it were really good. The Palin line was "I just hope the lame-stream media won't twist my words by repeating them verbatim." The thing that made it really funny was it sounded just like something she would say.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 02:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Washington, May 16: US Representative Ron Paul (R-Texas) has refused to back down from his earlier comments about Osama bin Laden, saying the Obama administration should have relied on the Pakistani government to arrest the killed al-Qaeda leader and turn him over to U.S. authorities.

"Why are we having trouble with the Pakistani government, why are we stirring up a civil war in Pakistan? It's because we've been bombing it," Paul said on "Fox News Sunday," Politico quoted him, as saying.


http://www.dailyindia.com/show/440044.php


Give Paul credit, he's rather consistent with his anti-imperialistic, pro-constitutional views.

It's also the same reason why he'll never be the Republican nominee for President.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 03:01 PM

Who would want him anyway?

Newt Gingrich dismisses idea of No. 2 spot on ticket

Quote:
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says he is very serious about seeking the presidency, but he’s laughing off any suggestion that he could end up with the Republican Party’s vice presidential nomination next year.

The Georgia Republican tells NBC’s "Meet the Press" that going for the No. 2 spot isn’t on his mind, and he scoffs at any suggestion that this could happen.

Gingrich says in response to accepting the vice presidential spot on the ticket, "Can you imagine any presidential nominee who picked me to be the vice presidential candidate?" He says he doesn’t think he’ll be spending "long hours" worrying about it.

source: Boston Herald
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 03:21 PM

Well I hear Donald will announce today whether or not he's running. Geez, I'm on needles & pins with curiosity. rolleyes



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 04:52 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Well I here Donald will announce today whether or not he's running. Geez, I'm on needles & pins with curiosity. rolleyes


TIS


He's not running. Looks like we owe Don T some money.

His statement:

Quote:
After considerable deliberation and reflection, I have decided not to pursue the office of the Presidency. This decision does not come easily or without regret; especially when my potential candidacy continues to be validated by ranking at the top of the Republican contenders in polls across the country. I maintain the strong conviction that if I were to run, I would be able to win the primary and ultimately, the general election. I have spent the past several months unofficially campaigning and recognize that running for public office cannot be done half heartedly. Ultimately, however, business is my greatest passion and I am not ready to leave the private sector.


I want to personally thank the millions of Americans who have joined the various Trump grassroots movements and written me letters and e-mails encouraging me to run. My gratitude for your faith and trust in me could never be expressed properly in words. So, I make you this promise: that I will continue to voice my opinions loudly and help to shape our politician’s thoughts. My ability to bring important economic and foreign policy issues to the forefront of the national dialogue is perhaps my greatest asset and one of the most valuable services I can provide to this country. I will continue to push our President and the country’s policy makers to address the dire challenges arising from our unsustainable debt structure and increasing lack of global competitiveness. Issues, including getting tough on China and other countries that are methodically and systematically taking advantage of the United States, were seldom mentioned before I brought them to the forefront of the country’s conversation. They are now being debated vigorously. I will also continue to push for job creation, an initiative that should be this country’s top priority and something that I know a lot about. I will not shy away from expressing the opinions that so many of you share yet don’t have a medium through which to articulate.


I look forward to supporting the candidate who is the most qualified to help us tackle our country’s most important issues and am hopeful that, when this person emerges, he or she will have the courage to take on the challenges of the Office and be the agent of change that this country so desperately needs.


Thank you and God Bless America!


Donald J. Trump


And thus the RNC dodges a circus bullet. They should be sending a bouqet of flowers to the White House for strangling Trump '12 in its crib.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 04:53 PM

So, Trump's not running. I never thought he would. There's no upside for such a candidacy. He wouldn't even win the nomination and he would not want to endure that public humiliation.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 05:06 PM

He was never running. He timed the whole birther business to coincide with this season's "Apprentice." He's an absolutely shameless publicity whore. Paris Hilton would make as legitimate candidate as Trump would, but at least she has a nice ass. It's like Don T posted several times before: Trump was NEVER going to disclose his financials.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 05:16 PM

Of course he never really planned on running. The Apprentice is over for the season and it's been renewed. It was "The Trump publicity and ego tour" if you ask me. lol

Btw, I didn't know this til today but evidently Mr. Trump is a clean fanatic and never shakes hands. Hmm I wonder how that would have worked on the campaign trail? confused


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 05:20 PM

The video of him that accompanied his annoncement showed him shaking hands.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 05:24 PM

Hmmm. I heard just today that he never shook hands and that he was a germ freak. Maybe he makes exceptions, I don't know. confused I hadn't heard this story til now.



TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/11 05:36 PM

Quote:
"I look forward to supporting the candidate who is the most qualified to help us tackle our country’s most important issues and am hopeful that, when this person emerges, he or she will have the courage to take on the challenges of the Office and be the agent of change that this country so desperately needs.

Thank you and God Bless America!"

Donald J. Trump


So he's supporting Obama? confused wink
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/11 01:09 AM

Suuuuure, you would have won, but we'll just never know...What an ass. Stick to your badly-decorated skyscrapers and trashy casinos.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/11 04:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Suuuuure, you would have won, but we'll just never know...What an ass. Stick to your badly-decorated skyscrapers and trashy casinos.


He's a self-fellatio artist of the highest degree.

~Except maybe Ron Jeremy.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 12:00 AM

So this Politico Alert popped up in my inbox:

Quote:
Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich apologized in a telephone call to House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on Tuesday afternoon for his remarks on "Meet the Press," where the presidential candidate referred to Ryan’s Medicare proposal as "radical change."

"Newt apologized," said Rick Tyler, his press secretary and longtime aide. "The call went very well." Gingrich, his nascent campaign in jeopardy, has shifted into fervent damage control following a furious conservative reaction to his comments.



Opps.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 12:13 AM

It's been widely reported (both right & left) that Newt's entrance into the race is already over. Not that he really stood a chance, but some of his positions are pissing his party off. lol

Btw, with both Trump & Huckabee out, I wonder if Bachman is gonna take her shot. Damn, I hope so. Between her and Paul, that should take away a lot of votes from Romney, the only "normal" Republican candidate that has a shot IMHO. And even HE has problems. lol Wait she's a republican (I keep thinking she's a TPer). Nevermind, so far Romney is my guess. Bachman would make it fun though. smile

TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 02:20 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
It's been widely reported (both right & left) that Newt's entrance into the race is already over. Not that he really stood a chance, but some of his positions are pissing his party off. lol

Btw, with both Trump & Huckabee out, I wonder if Bachman is gonna take her shot. Damn, I hope so. Between her and Paul, that should take away a lot of votes from Romney, the only "normal" Republican candidate that has a shot IMHO. And even HE has problems. lol Wait she's a republican (I keep thinking she's a TPer). Nevermind, so far Romney is my guess. Bachman would make it fun though. smile

TIS


get ready for obama's 2nd term
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 02:24 AM

Don't get the cart before the horse. It's a long 16 months until the election.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 02:58 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Don't get the cart before the horse. It's a long 16 months until the election.


Absolutely.

Anyway George Will in his sunday column prognosticated that 1 of 3 men will be taking the oath of office on 1/20/2013: Obama, Daniels, or Pawlenty.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 03:04 AM

Fmr. Utah Governor/Fmr. Ambassador to China/Possible '12 candidate Jon Huntsman said this to TIME:

Quote:
"I'm not a meteorologist. All I know is 90 percent of the scientists say climate change is occurring. If 90 percent of the oncological community said something was causing cancer we'd listen to them."


He definately won't be the nominee.

~But '16? Ummm....
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 03:54 AM

Facepalm in 3, 2, 1....

Santorum: McCain doesn't understand interrogation

Quote:
Former Sen. Rick Santorum said Tuesday that Sen. John McCain, who spent 5 1/2 years enduring brutal treatment at the hands of his North Vietnamese captors, doesn't know how effective waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques can be. The Republican presidential contender insisted the tactics led the United States to al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a speech last week that waterboarding al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, did not provide information that led to bin Laden's compound in Pakistan.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_torture_republicans
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 10:09 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Facepalm in 3, 2, 1....

Santorum: McCain doesn't understand interrogation

Quote:
Former Sen. Rick Santorum said Tuesday that Sen. John McCain, who spent 5 1/2 years enduring brutal treatment at the hands of his North Vietnamese captors, doesn't know how effective waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques can be. The Republican presidential contender insisted the tactics led the United States to al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a speech last week that waterboarding al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, did not provide information that led to bin Laden's compound in Pakistan.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_torture_republicans


Back in the old days something like that would have led to McCain throwing Santorum a beating. If it came to it even now I'd give McCain even odds...
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 02:42 PM

Santorum should be embarrassed at making such a stupid statement. What an insult to McCain, who more than just about anyone else in this country understands "enhanced interrogation".
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 04:38 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: olivant
Don't get the cart before the horse. It's a long 16 months until the election.


Absolutely.

Anyway George Will in his sunday column prognosticated that 1 of 3 men will be taking the oath of office on 1/20/2013: Obama, Daniels, or Pawlenty.



If i had a dime for every wrong prediction George Will made, I would be retired on a yacht.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 04:59 PM

So true. We should NOT put the cart before the horse. It IS way too early. Remember when Obama was a long shot that most said would NEVER win. Although I must admit I am amused by the republican field, it simply MUST get better. Someone WILL finally be the frontrunner. I don't know much about Daniels but it sounds like the Republicans would be happy with him. I heared earlier they are STILL trying for Christie (although I read his poll numbers have really tanked) and not only that, I just heard on tv they wouldn't mind Jeb Bush. eek Granted he may be the Bush with a brain, but would we really want another Bush????

Anyway, nutjob Bachman is playing with the media again saying she's considering making her decision before June because her "phone is ringing off the hook."

There will be a frontrunner, but until then though, I am enjoying the "clown show." lol

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 05:38 PM

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/11 08:21 PM

Remember the Pizzaboy/RRA rule: People from Texas shouldn't become President. It just never ends well, regardless of party.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry to run for President?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...eam_109894.html
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 05/20/11 03:13 PM

I love Meghan McCain's defense of her father:

Meghan first shot back at Santorum on Tuesday with her tweet,”Rick Santorum telling my father doesn’t know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn’t know about basketball.”

Upon clarifying that she didn’t mean to insult the redheaded comedian, the 26-year-old compared Santorum to “Jersey Shore” reality star Jenni “JWoww” Farley.

“Rick Santorum lecturing my father about torture is like JWOWW lecturing Malcom Gladwell about writing,” McCain wrote.

She didn't want to insult Carrot Top - too funny.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/20/11 03:24 PM

Captain Charisma himself Tim Pawlenty will make his official announcement to run for President on monday.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 02:42 AM

Palin's Rumored New Home in Arizona Revives 2012 Speculation

http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/sarahpalinsnewhouserenews2012speculation38007
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 02:53 AM

All I wanna know is if you can see Alaska from her back yard. lol


She's NEVER gonna run (as much as it would be a hoot). She's making too much money on her clown tours.



TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 02:56 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
All I wanna know is if you can see Alaska from her back yard.


She may be able to see Mexico from her new yard. That'll be TWO foreign countries that she knows.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 03:04 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
All I wanna know is if you can see Alaska from her back yard.


She may be able to see Mexico from her new yard. That'll be TWO foreign countries that she knows.



True. With her geography knowledge (or lack of) I wonder if she realizes just how close she is to Mexico? confused Or if she can now actually name what newspapers she reads???? These are toughies one should know if they are to run for President. lol

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 12:07 PM

Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels won't run for President in '12.

I doubted he could have escaped the primaries, especially after he pissed off the base by asking for a "truce" on social issues and asked to concentrate on the economy. But if he had, he would've been a dangerous dark horse candidate.

I think the White House just took a hard breath.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 01:38 PM

Sarah Palin: 'Fire in My Belly' for Presidential Run

Quote:
Sarah Palin, apparently still considering a presidential run in 2012, went on Greta van Susteren's "On The Record" this past week and admitted she had a passion for becoming the president of the United States. In fact, when the Fox News Channel host asked if she still had the "fire in the belly" for such a commitment, especially given the way the media has treated her over the past few years, the former governor of Alaska admitted that she did.

"I think my problem is that I do have the fire in my belly," Palin said. "I'm so adamantly supportive of the good traditional things about America and our free enterprise system and I want to make sure that America is put back on the right track and we only do that by defeating Obama in 2012."

In fact, Palin has so much fire in her belly, she talked about service of country and the sacrifice it took for those who chose to run for president, about the sacrifice of one's personal life and that of family for the greater good, and about having fire in her belly. She said the phrase half a dozen times, almost as if she had just discovered something bright and shiny and wanted to share it with others.

source: Yahoo News
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 02:52 PM

Can Herman Cain Win It for the Tea Party?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-s...-the-tea-party/
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 03:47 PM

Speaking of Cain, I just read an interview (I can't seem to find it now when I'd like to post it) confused in which he was criticized because he knew nothing of foreign policy.

What about Jon Huntsman??? Is he in? confused President Obama appointed him Ambassador to China, so I don't think he'll win just for the fact alone. The Republicans won't hear of it. IMHO

I say if she's serious, this is the time that Bachman should jump in. She may not win in the end, but she'll be on top of every news cycle and all the extreme right will be overjoyed, while the Dems can sit back and smile. lol

I STILL say however, it's way to early someone WILL catch on and at this point, with this group I'd guess either Pawlenty or Romney.

TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 05:38 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
All I wanna know is if you can see Alaska from her back yard.


She may be able to see Mexico from her new yard. That'll be TWO foreign countries that she knows.

Three if you count, Africa lol.

Don't forget, she thought Africa was a country as opposed to a continent. I guess she thinks the word continent only means having a strong bladder.

Fucking imbecile.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 05:47 PM

Bachmann or Palin will run. But as other said already ad nauseum, Sarah of Alaska aint running. Bachmann definately will though.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 05:49 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Bachmann or Palin will run. But as other said already ad nauseum, Sarah of Alaska aint running. Bachmann definately will though.

I wouldn't even watch those two in a lesbian porno flick.

Eh, maybe I would lol.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Bachmann or Palin will run. But as other said already ad nauseum, Sarah of Alaska aint running. Bachmann definately will though.

I wouldn't even watch those two in a lesbian porno flick.

Eh, maybe I would lol.


Didn't Hustler produce a porno about Palin?

Maybe you should review that for us. lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 06:04 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Didn't Hustler produce a porno about Palin?

Maybe you should review that for us. lol

Ebert and his partner gave it two penises up.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 06:05 PM

Is this a reason why Daniels chose not to run?

Quote:
A presidential campaign would have also likely revived uncomfortable questions about his wife, Cheri, who once divorced Daniels and married another man before moving back to Daniels.


And are Anne Coulter's whispers getting louder in his ear?

Quote:
Mitch Daniels’ announcement that he’s not running for president means Republicans may turn up the pressure on dream candidates like Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan and Chris Christie.

source: Daily Caller
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 06:07 PM

Jeb Bush is a dream candidate?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Didn't Hustler produce a porno about Palin?

Maybe you should review that for us. lol

Ebert and his partner gave it two penises up.


Here it is: Who's Nailin' Paylin?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nailin_Paylin

A description of a scene:

Quote:
The sixth and final scene opens with a Bill Orally monologue delivered from the Faux News Studio. The Orally piece introduces a Serra Paylin (Lisa Ann) news conference in which she is to defend herself against charges of adultery. During a rambling monologue Paylin avoids answering the adultery question.After the press clears the room, the Hilly character (Nina Hartley) emerges from beneath the podium. The film closes with a lesbian ménage à trois featuring Serra, Hilly, and Condi. (Jada Fire)


What a tasteful ending.

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
What a tasteful ending.

Hey, people suffer for their art lol.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 10:18 PM

If you're a right winger, you'll be believing the liberal media conspiracy to draw Palin's ego into the election.

That said, I love questions with easy answers.

Is Republican Party Doomed If Sarah Palin Gains the Nomination?

(EDIT - Stupid link was too long for this browser, you'll have to find it for yourself at Yahoo! News if you want.)

and before you laugh...

Sarah Palin Moves into Statistical Tie for Lead in Wide-Open GOP 2012 Field

Quote:
According to a Gallup poll released on May 17, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney led all potential Republican presidential nominees with 20 percent of respondents saying they would prefer he be the 2012 GOP choice. Palin was only two points behind. Given the statistical margin of error for the poll (+/- 3 percent), there is a statistical possibility Palin just might be the most preferred of all the candidates.


How to account for this turn around? Consider that Gallup poll was taken after both Huckabee and Trump both bailed. Maybe another point or two in her direction now that Daniels too said no, and the aftermath of Newt's medicare gaffe?

Run Sarah run!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 11:01 PM

You're right about Daniels. The fact that his wife left him (and their children as I understand) to marry someone else and then come back to him, will be a news story. You really really need to be able to take all the scrutiny. ohwell I can understand WHY he backed out, if that is indeed the reason.


IF either Palin or Bachman run, they are going to have to come out of their Fox News "comfort zone." While Bachman is a "little" better than Plain in that regards. You can't be calling the media "lame stream media" simply for asking what kind of newspapers/magazines you read. rolleyes


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 11:11 PM

Pawlenty has informed associates that he is running and will announce it tomorrow.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 05/22/11 11:57 PM

maybe somebody from here should announce to run
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/23/11 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
maybe somebody from here should announce to run



The motto would have to be...."he (or she) will make an offer you can't refuse." And instead of a VP he must have his consigliere. smile



TIS
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 05/23/11 12:52 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
All I wanna know is if you can see Alaska from her back yard.


She may be able to see Mexico from her new yard. That'll be TWO foreign countries that she knows.

Three if you count, Africa lol.

Don't forget, she thought Africa was a country as opposed to a continent. I guess she thinks the word continent only means having a strong bladder.

Fucking imbecile.


Probably four - I think she would count New Mexico as a country as well.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/24/11 12:35 AM

Oh no, no no no...

Is Donald Trump Back in the 2012 Race?

Quote:
Perhaps Donald Trump didn't really bow out after all.

The billionaire business mogul phoned into Fox News' "Fox & Friends" this morning to lament the state of the Republican field. He took issue with Mike Huckabee exiting the race, saying he's sure Huckabee could win and he's still sure he could have won.

Trump refused to rule out a late entry into the Republican presidential field.

"Who knows if I did the right thing," he said. "I am not seeing a lot out of the Republican candidates."

Asked if there's any chance he'll jump in later in the race, Trump replied, "I can't rule out anything ... [It's] vital that we choose the right person, and at this moment, I don't see that person."

source: ABC News
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/25/11 04:17 AM

Pawlenty In Iowa: Phase Out Ethanol Subsidies

Quote:
Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty made a potentially risky move during his campaign launch speech in Iowa: he called for a phaseout of ethanol subsidies.

"The hard truth is that there are no longer any sacred programs," said Pawlenty. "The truth about federal energy subsidies, including federal subsidies for ethanol, is that they have to be phased out. We need to do it gradually. We need to do it fairly. But we need to do it."

Many political observers have long said that Iowa's place at the kickoff for presidential nomination contests has ensured continuous support for ethanol by national politicians. As a counter-example, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has long opposed ethanol subsidies, and as a result he largely skipped the 2008 caucuses. McCain placed fourth in the caucuses, and in the 2008 general election he lost Iowa by just under ten points.

Source: TPM


Not to be a cliche, but can we write off Iowa for Pawlenty if he wins the nomination?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/25/11 04:19 AM

In the I-Am-Not-Making-This-Up category: Next month, Sarah Palin will premiere a 2-hour biographic film of herself in Iowa called "The Undefeated."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...une_109949.html

Is this a prelude to a potential campaign?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/25/11 11:53 AM

A 2 hour film?? Isn't this the same woman who claimed that she hated having the media spotlight on her family?
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 05/25/11 01:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
A 2 hour film?? Isn't this the same woman who claimed that she hated having the media spotlight on her family?


Maybe she hates the spotlight being on her family because she prefers the spotlight on her.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/25/11 01:35 PM

She has made a fortune being in the spotlight, and she loves it. I'll give her credit for doing as well financially as she has, and this success is exactly why there is no chance she will run for president. She is much better off sitting on the sidline throwing spitballs. I predict Gingrich will be joining her there shortly, although he's not quite as good looking.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/25/11 02:41 PM

Tim Pawlenty: Unlikely source for Vikings-to-LA Talk?

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/27224/an-unlikely-source-for-vikings-to-la-talk
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/25/11 02:50 PM

Club For Growth: ‘We Struggle To Identify The Real Tim Pawlenty’

Quote:
The Club notes Pawlenty's history of favoring tax cuts, and his vetoes of various tax increases proposed by his state's Democratic legislature. But on the other hand, they criticize him for having endorsed a local referendum to raise property taxes in his home school district, supporting a cigarette tax increase, his support for state biofuel mandates, and for not taking a public position on the Minnesota "Legacy Amendment" approved by the voters in 2008, which raised sales taxes by 3/8 of a percent for environmental and cultural preservation. And they also criticize his past support for cap-and-trade, which Pawlenty himself has recanted.

source: TPM
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/25/11 06:02 PM

Anyone catch Obama's address to Parliament? He didn't sound much like a "Mau-Mau Anticolonialist" to me. Poor Gnewt.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/25/11 06:50 PM

Opps! A blast gaffe from the past that'll bite him in the primary ass.

Pawlenty (2006): "The Era of Small Government is Over"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/r...ry.html?hpid=z3

EDIT - What he actually said in context:

Quote:
The article is all about Pawlenty’s efforts as governor to take on drug and oil companies and other practitioners of “excessive corporate power.” It includes his boast that many ideological Republicans “don’t even talk to me anymore” because of his support for things such as the minimum wage.

“The era of small government is over,” Pawlenty told the newspaper. “I’m a market person, but there are certain circumstances where you’ve got to have government put up the guardrails or bust up entrenched interests before they become too powerful. . . . Government has to be more proactive, more aggressive.”

The newspaper did issue a “clarification,” but only to say that Pawlenty’s quote about small government was “in reference to a point” made by the conservative writer David Brooks — one that Pawlenty, from his other comments, obviously agreed with.


How...sane. And he's running away from that, disowning it on Limbaugh's show?

Jesus Christ.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/25/11 07:40 PM

This summarizes the problem the Reps are having with the 2012 election. To win Iowa and South Carolina people like Pawlenty and Romney have to disavow their moderation and try to please the tea baggers, and then hope they survive long enough to get back to the moderately right of center position that could make the 2012 election a close one. Their problem IMHO is that they aren't going to make a dent in the tea baggers' vote anyway, so to try to appease them will be a sign of "flip flopping" in the general election. So far I don't see anyone who can bridge the gap between sane republicans like Romney Pawlenty and Huntsman, and the rest of them, who are unelectable wackos.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 05/26/11 01:57 PM

I don't know a lot about Pawlenty, but Romney seems to be someone that the country as a whole would find appealing. Actually, the person on the GOP side that would bridge gaps on the left and right might be Brown from Massachusetts. Guiliani self destructed last time, but he is another that would appeal to independents and the more conservative democrats, but neither of them is conservative enough to make it through the primaries. Too often the primaries become a series of crowning a candidate that perfectly matches the ideology of the party, bypassing the question of whether or not the person is electable in the general election.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/26/11 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
I don't know a lot about Pawlenty, but Romney seems to be someone that the country as a whole would find appealing.


The White House certainly believes he's their biggest threat. Hell he's been featured rather prominently in the last few DNC ads. There was that one where they used Fox News clips bludgeoning Mittens' stance on Health Care reform. And now this one on his '09 stance against saving the Automobile Industry.



Now that's good propaganda, using the guy's own definitive opinions and words against him. Can't exactly argue that he was misinterpreted. (Of course the "Detroit Saved" narrative the WH is planning to use as a key plank for re-election is full of holes, but that's neither here or there.)

Just imagine a similar ad ("Let Detroit Go Bankrupt!") being played ad nauseum in Michigan next fall, a state he supposedly had some advantage with because his dad was Governor there.

Thus the pratfalls of kissing too much primary ass.

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Too often the primaries become a series of crowning a candidate that perfectly matches the ideology of the party, bypassing the question of whether or not the person is electable in the general election.


To be fair, I think both parties have cycles where they're so ideological entrenched (i.e. the past) with certain planks that to outsiders it come as fucking insanity while partisans consider it "purity" and have a real identity crisis when their defense of the Past fail in the mainstream present.

Let me give you a perfect contemporary example: Gay Rights. A new Gallup poll just reported that 58% of Americans have no morality "qualm" with homosexual relationships. An earlier poll reported the first national plurality support for Gay Marriage (not merely civil unions, marriage.) DADT got repealed by Congress with 75% plus national polled support. NBA just fined Kobe Bryant and Noah 5-6 figures for yelling a "F" word that aint Fuck, same word that was used freely without hesitation in old 1980s movies. (remember BREAKFAST CLUB?)

Point is, it isn't like the old days so much anymore (i.e. just 5-10 years ago) when the queer boogeyman was a popular and effective scare issue for the GOP in elections. Yet the Evangelical, social conservative political base of the GOP will refuse at all costs to let the party modernize or ease off on the homophobic issues that matter greatly for the base. To them, GLEE and Ellen DeGeneres are still evil this side of Pol Pot.

That is why Pawlenty came out in support of re-instating DADT, which may win him a few primary votes but it won't help him any in the general election.

Democrats were still running against Herbert Hoover into the 1980s and Mondale/Dukakis got demolished. Now the GOP are still running against the 1960s, now held hostage by the ghost of Reagan like the Dems were by FDR.

Personally for the sake of the party (and America), I suggest they give the '12 nomination to Bachmann or Palin. Let the wingnuts have their scorched earth campaign they've always wanted and get them fucking demolished in the fall. Then win back the White House in '16. Don't let them have the bitch clutch (no matter how illogically) that if only a "real" conservative had gotten the gig they would have won, which they used on McCain and surely for God they will too on Romney.

Kids, this is what we call "weed-eating."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/27/11 05:32 PM

Rick Perry: "I'll think about" running for President

http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/27/rick-perry-edges-his-10-gallon-hat-toward-the-ring/
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/27/11 06:35 PM

This is hilarious. It's self explanatory. lol


TIS



Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/27/11 08:39 PM

I guess he's trying to win Iowa now.

Romney backs Ethanol Subsidies

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/27/romney-returns-to-iowa-backs-ethanol-subsidies/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/28/11 02:15 PM

what the hell?

Giuliani surprise leader in Republican poll

Quote:
Giuliani, with 16 percent support, narrowly edged former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, currently seen as the party's front-runner because of name recognition and a large campaign warchest, with 15 percent.

Also polling high were former Alaska governor Sarah Palin with 13 percent, Texas Congressman Ron Paul, with 12 percent, and pizza magnate Herman Cain at 10 percent. Palin also is not a declared candidate for 2012 so far.

All other announced and potential candidates scored less than 10 percent support in a poll of 473 likely Republican voters conducted May 24-26. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

source: Reuters
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/30/11 02:06 AM

"I've never seen anyone as mercilessly and relentlessly attacked as I have seen Sarah Palin in the last couple of years. But she also inspires great passion, particularly among the Republican faithful." - Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/30/11 01:52 PM

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 05/30/11 02:00 PM

I don't think the Republican nominee is in the race yet.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/30/11 06:53 PM

Who knows? Giuliani might actually make a decent showing this time around. Let's fact it, McCain had the nomination from the get-go last time, but it's a free-for-all right now, with no strong candidate. But then, who knew President Obama would end up the nominee at this same point, much less win the whole thing?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/30/11 07:22 PM

Absolutely right SB. I've been saying all along too, it IS way to early so never say never. I think Christie will still get in (although I hear he's taken a dive in the polls) and if Bachman gets in that'll create a buzz (for a portion of admiring followers) and who knows, maybe she'll take the lead.

Palin won't get in. I simply can't see her debate with anyone; or have a townhall type meeting (at least not one that allows people with opposing opinions to enter); not to mention the fact that she'd likely have to appear somewhere other than FOX and I can't see that happening. I'll borrow DT's description calling it a "Clown Show." lol

The thing is they need one person to "stand out" and that hasn't happened yet, but it will.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/31/11 03:13 PM

Run Sarah Run!

Quote:
According to a source with knowledge of Palin’s thinking, the tour is a test of whether she can do it “her way,” which the source described as “nontraditional, low-cost, high-tech…. The key is to be totally unpredictable and always keep her rivals off-balance.”

After two days on the road, Palin now realizes a campaign “could be fun and exciting,” the source said, and she’s getting “more into the swing of things” as she tours and realizes “the press is not hostile to her.”



http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-s...as-wild-search/
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/31/11 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
I don't think the Republican nominee is in the race yet.


Lilo, do you have a prediction as to WHOM the nominee will be?


RR,

I read/heard earlier today that Palin isn't even letting her "fans" know when/where her next stop will be. She's NOT gonna run. She is in it for the publicity. rolleyes


TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 05/31/11 07:08 PM

Ok, I got it. Bachman is suppose to announce tomorrow (or soon anyway); Palin is still on the Clown tour but has the "fire in her belly. rolleyes Bachman says she and Sarah are good friends So, what do you think of a Bachman/Palin ticket hu???? panic

Then, on the other hand, oh, please God...let it happen. lol


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/01/11 02:05 AM

Palin: End all federal energy subsidies

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/31/palin-end-all-federal-energy-subsidies/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/01/11 04:31 PM

Why don't he block an airport airstrip to get a haircut while he's at it?

Chris Christie takes state helicopter to son’s baseball game

Quote:
New Jersey governor Chris Christie--who has made government reform a major talking point of his administration--is coming under fire for his decision to travel in a state-owned helicopter to his son's high school baseball game Monday.

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Christie landed in the state's $12.5 million helicopter just before the game began, buzzing over the trees in left field and distracting spectators. The GOP governor then got into a black sedan with tinted windows, which drove him about 100 yards to the baseball diamond.

Flanked by bodyguards, Christie and his wife, Mary Pat, watched the game from the stands until they left during the 5th inning. The two got back into the car and rode back to the helicopter. According to the Star-Ledger, the game was stopped for a "couple of minutes" while the helicopter took off.

source: AP
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/01/11 06:14 PM

He said it was advised that governors use helicopters more often after Corizine was gravely injured in a car accident while he was governor. Um, how about the fact that Corizine was dumb enough to allow his driver to speed excessively while he went without a seatbelt???
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/01/11 06:41 PM

Christie is an arrogant prick, especially when it comes to his personal life. This past January, during one of the worst snowstorms to hit Jersey in a long time, he refused to cut his Caribbean vacation short to come home and lead the state's emergency offices. In press conferences after, he barked that he EARNED his vacation (I'm not arguing that he didn't earn his vacation... I just question his smarts about making a statement like that).

Anyway, Christie probably needs a heavy duty Marine helicopter to lift his fat ass... that's gotta be some expense to the people of New Jersey.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/01/11 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
He said it was advised that governors use helicopters more often after Corizine was gravely injured in a car accident while he was governor. Um, how about the fact that Corizine was dumb enough to allow his driver to speed excessively while he went without a seatbelt???


Typical bullshit artist. That is the way they do things. Twist them to fit what they need or want. They should make them pay for it out of their pay!
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/01/11 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Christie is an arrogant prick, especially when it comes to his personal life. This past January, during one of the worst snowstorms to hit Jersey in a long time, he refused to cut his Caribbean vacation short to come home and lead the state's emergency offices. In press conferences after, he barked that he EARNED his vacation (I'm not arguing that he didn't earn his vacation... I just question his smarts about making a statement like that).

Anyway, Christie probably needs a heavy duty Marine helicopter to lift his fat ass... that's gotta be some expense to the people of New Jersey.



He was better off staying where he was. He would only have screwed things up more then they already were. He would have sent crews out to take care of his and his friends places first.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/01/11 09:55 PM

I am sure most who don't follow politics or live in NJ don't know who Christie is. I've seen him a few times and he does come across as an arrogant ass. So, why is it that the Republicans want him to run so badly for President? What's the big (no pun intended) appeal? confused

Noting that his attitude seems much like some of the other governors (Scott-Florida, Walker-WI, Kasic-OH, Snyder-MI) who have tanked in ratings with that kind of attitude. Why oh why do they think he'd be so good????

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 06/01/11 10:11 PM

TIS, he has a certain Je ne sais quoi that can be molded into a formidable candidate. As you and I have noted, it's 18 months until the election. If the economy has not significantly improved by then, whoever the candidate is willbe perfectly positioned to blame the President and his adherents. Christie is viewed as being able to accomplish that better than anyone.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/01/11 10:23 PM

I love to watch Good Day New York, because the anchors usually are NOT politically correct. Sure enough, when reporting yesterday that Rebulicans from Iowa were meeting with Christie to try and persuade him to run for President. Greg Kelly, the male anchor, said, "If they're going to try and persuade him, I hope they brought some snacks." lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/01/11 11:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I love to watch Good Day New York, because the anchors usually are NOT politically correct. Sure enough, when reporting yesterday that Rebulicans from Iowa were meeting with Christie to try and persuade him to run for President. Greg Kelly, the male anchor, said, "If they're going to try and persuade him, I hope they brought some snacks." lol



Ha ha ha!!! Yea, it's so easy to find jokes here isn't it? Christie is awfully big. Is his health generally good?


Btw can you imagine if anyone (anchor or not) made that remark about a female politician??? eek It would be treated
totally different wouldn't it? Just saying.

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 12:12 AM

What strikes me is Christie landing on the chopper, and then be driven 100 yards to the park.

Couldn't he have walked some of it? You all've seen him. It would do him some good. He's like those assholes at Wal-Mart or shopping malls who must park in the first few rows of spaces (ignoring usually the rest of spacious lot). If they don't, they then "shark" around the lot until a space opens up.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 12:13 AM

Reuters:

Quote:
Obama campaign sets goal of raising $60 million in quarter


EDIT - BREAKING NEWS: Is Pawlenty's campaign already dead?

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 12:52 AM

Ha ha!! Telling the truth? In politics? What a concept. smile


What about Anthony Weiner and the twitter scandal. lol Very strange. Yet with a last name like that you just know he's had a life of constant ribbing. lol



TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 03:05 AM

Weiner is digging a deeper and deeper hole. He called a reporter a jackass yesterday, which is really quite stupid. That's pretty much the only way to make sure that the press is now going to be permanently in your face, every single breath you take.

Tonight, he refused to definitively affirm or deny that the picture is of his junk. He only would say that they're "investigating" what happened. If that's not him in the tighty-whities, then why wouldn't he simply deny it?? Also, the Congress has a special police force, and as of this morning, he still had not filed a report about this alleged hacking.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 03:17 AM

SB,

I know that is baffling. He was on Rachel Maddow tonight and although I was on the phone and didn't see the entire interview, he still made it sound confusing. He indicated that he didn't know if it started out as a picture of him and maybe somebody photoshopped it. confused He is getting in deeper. He said he had some "experts" looking into it.

Maybe he actually saved pics of himself in his underwear on his computer and this one got hacked and he's embarrassed. Hell, I don't know, but I crack up that I've heard them refer to this as "Weinergate." lol

TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 03:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Weiner is digging a deeper and deeper hole.


It's becoming very possible that Weiner will join the long list of New York/New Jersey politicians who have done themself in with really stupid sexual behavior. I think he may have done irreparable damage with his first "press conference" in which he refused to answer any direct question, and in fact called one of the reporters a "jackass" (as SB already mentioned).

I like Weiner. I like his politics and his feisty style. He came out of my former distict in Brooklyn and I spoke to him a few times when he started his career as a member of the city council. He was very personable and seemed genuinely involved with his work. I DON'T like what I'm seeing now. panic
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 03:29 AM

SC,

I like him too. I am just getting to know him this past year but I do like his spunk.

smile

TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 03:45 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I like him too. I am just getting to know him this past year but I do like his spunk.


You shouldn't use the word, "spunk", in connection with this. shhh

Jon Stewart had a good one about this.... he showed a picture, supposedly THE picture, of Weiner in his underwear and claimed that the only thing the two had in common (the picture and Weiner) was that they both leaned to the left. lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 03:50 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I like him too. I am just getting to know him this past year but I do like his spunk.


You shouldn't use the word, "spunk", in connection with this. shhh

Jon Stewart had a good one about this.... he showed a picture, supposedly THE picture, of Weiner in his underwear and claimed that the only thing the two had in common (the picture and Weiner) was that they both leaned to the left. lol



I love Stewart. He made another comment saying roughly that Weiner wished it was him. I heard another newscaster implying that this "picture" was so well endowed that Weiner probably doesn't want to deny it. lol

Oh, and Stewart said that he and Weiner are actually friends.

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 05:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Weiner is digging a deeper and deeper hole. He called a reporter a jackass yesterday, which is really quite stupid.


Yeah he was a dick.

(Pun Police! *sirens*)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 01:00 PM

Sarah Palin and Donald Trump's Pizza Summit

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-s...new-york-city/#
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 04:51 PM


I couldn't find this on youtube but here is Jon Stewart's take on Trump's choice (or lack of taste) of pizza restaurant to go to. He jumps all over Trump. You NYers probably will know which places Jon would have chosen. Oh, he does a little Vito Corleone as well. It's hilarious. I just love this guy. lol

TIS



http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-1-2011/me-lover-s-pizza-with-crazy-broad
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 05:03 PM

What does Palin know about pizza, being from friggin Alaska?

But for that matter, what does that dummy know about anything? lol

Trump should know better. He's a lifelong New Yorker, for God's sake! lol
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 05:05 PM

TIS, that video is hilarious.

For all you non-New Yorkers.... it's also very true.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 05:08 PM

Found on Palin's "One Nation" Tour Bus.

Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 05:09 PM

Check out the urban dictionary's definition of "Rick Santorum"
is.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Check out the urban dictionary's definition of "Rick Santorum"
is.


Santorum: The frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex. 2. Senator Rick Santorum.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
What does Palin know about pizza, being from friggin Alaska?



She can see Little Italy from her hotel window.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 05:34 PM

Ok, this is Jon Stewart on the Anthony Weiner photo. Anthony apparently is a friend of Jon's but that hardly holds Jon back. It is hysterical. lol Check it out. I am sure you'll laugh a lot.

TIS


http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/201...tewart-sort-of/
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 06:15 PM

PB!! Where you been??? I haven't seen you around lately! Were you serving the pizza to The Donald and The Sarah??? LOL
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 06:25 PM

That John Stewart bit is one of the funniest things ever
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
PB!! Where you been??? I haven't seen you around lately! Were you serving the pizza to The Donald and The Sarah??? LOL


I think he boarded the bus with Sarah's Magical Mystery Tour. lol



TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 07:31 PM

Since she seemed to think what she ate is "real NY pizza", maybe PB is going to show her how a real NYer does pizza!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 08:10 PM

PPP: National GOP

Romney 16%
Palin 16%
Pawlenty 13%
Cain 12%
Bachmann 9%
Paul 9%
Gingrich 9%
Huntsman 4%

This is....interesting:

Quote:
One game changer that could help Romney and Pawlenty's prospects for the nomination? The Rapture. 18% of GOP primary voters believe it will occur in their lifetimes and 31% of them support Palin to 15% for Romney, 11% for Cain and Gingrich, and 10% for Pawlenty.


http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/06/romney-palin-lead-way.html
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 08:22 PM

(New Jersey governor) Chris Christie is at a press conference now announcing that he reimbursed the state for the personal use of a state helicopter when he went to a son's baseball game.

He paid back the state $2,100 and explained he had been initially told by the head of the state police that there was nothing to be paid (since the helicopters are required to be used a certain number of hours anyway).

Christie coolly explained this, and I have to admit I believe him (even if I still think he's a fat, overbearing jerk).

I also believe this was a sign that he will be seeking higher office (president?) and he is attempting to clean up any possible problems in his "past".
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/02/11 09:35 PM

SC, yes, he agreed to pay the bill. However, he still had to make a nasty remark. He said that he was sure that the treasurer immediately ran to the bank to deposit the payment so that it could be added to the state police's budget surplus.

Edit: While he wrote the check, he also refused to apologize and insisted that there was nothing inappropriate about what he had done. He said that he was writing the check to make people happy. An Assemblywoman questioned his parenting skills, saying that there was no need for him to make the entrance and exit that he did (they had to stop the game to allow his helicopter to take off again when he left after the 5th inning), and when asked about her remarks, he said she should be embarrassed and called her a jerk.

I guess he still hasn't taken that Dale Carnegie class.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/03/11 02:55 PM

Sarah Palin on CNN is asked about Paul Revere's Ride:

Quote:
He who warned, uh, the…the British that they weren’t gonna be takin’ away our arms, uh, by ringin’ those bells and um by makin’ sure that as he’s ridin’ his horse through town to send those warnin’ shots and bells that uh we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free…and we were gonna be armed.


I didn't know Revere warned the British.

American patriotism 2011, everybody!

http://www.joemcginniss.net/sarah-palin-...inniss#comments
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/03/11 03:01 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I didn't know Revere warned the British.


Ah, c'mon.... give her a break. Massachusetts is clear across the continent from Alaska.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/03/11 03:11 PM

How about Palin's visit to Ellis Island/Statue of Liberty where she said that Lady Liberty was given to us as a warning (reminder?) to not make the same mistakes as other countries. confused lol

I swear to God, that woman can talk and talk and say nothing. She'll act like she knows what she's talking about but dosen't know jack shit. rolleyes

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2...inst-socialism/


TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/03/11 04:52 PM

I see Wienergate has died down a bit, but you wouldn't know it by this Jon Stewart segment. You guys will crack up. It's entitled "The Big Wang Theory." lol Try to catch what the singer is singing. lol

TIS


http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-june-2-2011/the-big-wang-theory


RR,

I just now saw Palin's Paul Revere comments. OMG! LMAO. I swear she'll answer anything, talk about anything and make it up as she goes along. lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 04:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
PB!! Where you been???

We were in Florida for a bit, Babe. We're renting our condo this year for the summer and my wife wanted to make sure everything was just right.

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Were you serving the pizza to The Donald and The Sarah??? LOL

I'd rather shave my head with a cheese grater while chewing on tin foil tongue.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 06:52 PM

Oh, my God. How can you not know about the midnight ride of Paul Revere? WTF is wrong with her? Why doesn't she just shut up and go away?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 07:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Oh, my God. How can you not know about the midnight ride of Paul Revere?

For the same reason she didn't know the answer to any of the questions that Katie Couric asked her three years ago: She's a moron.

I almost hope she does run. Can you imagine her in a debate against President Obama? What's the old saying? I don't want to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent lol.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 07:17 PM

PB, how did you get somebody to rent your condo in Florida for the SUMMER? Did you find the opposite of a snowbird? Or maybe you convinced the Palins that Florida in summer is the new craze? lol

I tell you, that Sarah Palin is frightening. The idea of her running for any office higher than dog-catcher gives me chills. What I truly find scary is how she works a crowd - that there are that many people taken in by her brand of bullshit.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
PB, how did you get somebody to rent your condo in Florida for the SUMMER?

Crazy, I know lol.

The people we're renting to are friends of my brother's. The husband is recently retired from the NYPD, but he's only 48 years old. He's thinking of latching on to the FDLE down there. If he puts in 14 years down there he'll get another pension and still be out at 62. They just want to make sure they can take the heat for a whole summer before making any commitments.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 07:34 PM

I know I couldn't. One trip to Disney in August was one trip too many for me. It didn't help that I fractured my kneecap three days before we left and was in a full-leg knee brace for the trip, but DAMN if I don't have the cutest picture of me, Goofy and my rascal! lol
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe

I tell you, that Sarah Palin is frightening. The idea of her running for any office higher than dog-catcher gives me chills. What I truly find scary is how she works a crowd - that there are that many people taken in by her brand of bullshit.


If she ever becomes President then I will be forced to be in favor of setting up concentration camps for the people who didn't vote.

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 08:07 PM

She does have a following and there are certain groups that adore her folksy, "you betcha" type attitude. But for God's sake we already went down the road with the President "you'd like to have a beer with" and he was a moron. Not only did he get voted in once....but twice. Look where that got us. You'd think people would learn. rolleyes



TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 08:08 PM

She makes Dubya look like one of the kids on "The Big Bang Theory."
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 08:15 PM

Here's a scary scenario. What IF McCain had won and Palin was VP. Don't we know her even better now? What if something happened to McCain, health-wise or otherwise, and Palin had to take over? panic Dear God in heaven, we're dead meat. Worse yet....GWB as President and Palin as VP? panic


Ok, then i woke up........Thank God! lol
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 08:46 PM

I am amazed that so many conservatives seem to think that addressing national and international issues and resolving them is such a simplistic task. I think that the essence of most real conservatives is a denial of variables. So many conservative commentators manifest a faux toughness as if just being tough is enough. Well, it ain't. That is one big reason why Palin has attracted a crowd and why Trump did so for a short time. They both espouse simplistic approaches (not solutions) and there are Americans who willingly embrace their simplistic approaches, but do not probe the substance of those approaches.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/04/11 09:00 PM

Oli,

That's true. If a candidate runs on say.. "don't take my gun rights away" for instance that's a great tagline but that is all that some people hear and it evolves from there. What about those chanting, "keep the government out of my medicare?" confused Honestly people don't take the time to understand and/or listen to what really matters.

I didn't see it but the republican debate that aired a week or so ago they had a panel who they polled afterwards. The large majority of them voted for this Cain guy (from Godfather Pizza). I hear he's likeable which may be true. However I have a feeling that's what many will go by. Me, I don't need to love my President (although liking him/her as well would be a plus I guess), as long as he/she is smart and can run things. I don't know if I'm coming across the way I intend but bottom line I think many people blindly follow/vote. It seems moreso these days no?

TIS

Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/05/11 05:51 AM

On The West Wing, the President and his staff were preparing for debate were looking for "the ten word answer", on crime, defense, education, etc. The issues were to be boiled down to a 10 word answer that would keep things simple. However, as the President pointed out, what about the 10 words after that? And the 10 words after that??

That's the problem. Candidates that are trying to keep things quick and easy aren't giving these issues the depth they deserve.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 06/05/11 10:58 PM

On his show this morning, Chris Wallace challenged Palin's version of the Paul Revere ride. Sadly, she defended it.

He also asked what she would do about the economy. She stated that she would do the opposite (whatever that is) of what President Obama is doing. However, she never stated what she would do. She definitely and simply repeats what she hears.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 02:34 AM

News or not?

Howard Dean: Palin "could win."

Quote:
“I think she could win,” Dean told The Hill in an interview Friday. “She wouldn’t be my first choice if I were a Republican but I think she could win.”

Dean warns the sluggish economy could have more of a political impact than many Washington strategists and pundits assume.

“Any time you have a contest — particularly when unemployment is as high as it is — nobody gets a walkover,” Dean said. “Whoever the Republicans nominate, including people like Sarah Palin, whom the inside-the-Beltway crowd dismisses — my view is if you get the nomination of a major party, you can win the presidency, I don’t care what people write about you inside the Beltway,” Dean said.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 06:11 AM

Alec Baldwin: I didn’t call Mitt Romney a Ken doll

http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/05/alec-baldwin-i-didnt-call-mitt-romney-a-ken-doll/
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 01:02 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
News or not?

Howard Dean: Palin "could win."

Quote:
“I think she could win,” Dean told The Hill in an interview Friday. “She wouldn’t be my first choice if I were a Republican but I think she could win.”

Dean warns the sluggish economy could have more of a political impact than many Washington strategists and pundits assume.

“Any time you have a contest — particularly when unemployment is as high as it is — nobody gets a walkover,” Dean said. “Whoever the Republicans nominate, including people like Sarah Palin, whom the inside-the-Beltway crowd dismisses — my view is if you get the nomination of a major party, you can win the presidency, I don’t care what people write about you inside the Beltway,” Dean said.


I think he is just trying to make sure the Dems stay focused. McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis were the nominees by the democrats and they had no realistic chance of election.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 06:18 PM

And Weinergate continues. Supposedly, there are some more photos of the Congressman, and supposedly no boxers involved!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43297346#43297346
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 06:32 PM

I'm really disappointed in this guy. I liked his politics. That said, he's guilty of being very stupid at the very least. I doubt I'd vote for him for Mayor in 2013 at this point.

He really pissed off a lot of people by not showing up for the Israel Day parade yesterday, too. With these latest photos hitting the news today, maybe he knew they were coming and decided to lie low.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 06:34 PM



Rest of Us: Sane, reasonable answer (inbetween political cover.)

GOP '12: HERESY! COMMUNIST! Lies! Repent! RECANT! Too Toxic to be our President.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

He really pissed off a lot of people by not showing up for the Israel Day parade yesterday, too.


Did he go to the France parade?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 06:37 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
GOP '12: HERESY! COMMUNIST! Lies! Repent! RECANT! Too Toxic to be our President.

The British are coming! The British are coming!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

He really pissed off a lot of people by not showing up for the Israel Day parade yesterday, too.


Did he go to the France parade?


Embattled Rep. Weiner ducks pair of big parades

By SALLY GOLDENBERG and SELIM ALGAR, New York Post

With Groingate swelling, embattled Congressman Anthony Weiner blew off a pair of high profile parades for causes he faithfully supports.

Under fire since a lewd crotch photo was sent to a Seattle coed from his Twitter account last week, Weiner flaked on the nation’s largest annual Israel celebration in Manhattan as well as a Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender event in Queens.

Despite his dogged support of Israel and representation of a heavily Jewish district, Weiner opted to skip the celebration today and stay zipped up. He had been a fixture at the event in years past.

While organizers stayed mum on Weiner’s disappearance, other politicians who flocked to the parade took note of the conspicuous absence.

"He cares about Israel and is very active in the Jewish community and he ought to be here," said Senator Frank Lautenberg flatly.

Former New York City Comptroller Bill Thompson blasted Weiner’s flaccid defense of the infamous tweet. "It’s become a distraction," he said. "It’s become a circus. Every answer raises another question. There are so many other important questions we are facing."

Governor Andrew Cuomo gingerly noted Weiner’s absence. "It’s going to be up to the congressman how he handles this and people will have their opinion when they actually have the facts," he said.

Weiner’s wife, political power player and Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin, has been silent on her huband’s travails.

The underwear imbroglio erupted after a picture of bulging briefs popped up in the Twitter inbox of Seattle college student Genette Cordova, a follower of the congressman and admitted fan.

After initially insisting that a hacker broke into his account and sent the photo, Weiner has since vacillated on the its origin while desperately trying to deflate the scandal.

Eyes rolled after Weiner conceded that he could not say with "certitude" that the photo was not his.

Weiner grew testy with reporters in the wake of the scandal and he and his staffers have since refused to address it.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/embat...I#ixzz1OWSxvKRn
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 07:15 PM

So he offended the queens in Queens too while he was at it? Not a good last few weeks for the fellow.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 08:02 PM

Weiner is about to make an announcement at a live press conference. They are in the process of setting up the conference and it is expected to happen very shortly.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 08:31 PM

Wow.... Weiner just admitted he lied. He DID send those underwear pictures and he panicked after it got out in the public.

He admitted he's done this before and after he was married. He was VERY emotional (just shy of breaking down during his statement) but seemed very much in control during a question and answer period.

He apologized to his wife, his staff and friends and to his constituents. He admitted it was a big mistake.

He will stay in office.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Wow.... Weiner just admitted he lied. He DID send those underwear pictures and he panicked after it got out in the public.

He admitted he's done this before and after he was married. He was VERY emotional (just shy of breaking down during his statement) but seemed very much in control during a question and answer period.

He apologized to his wife, his staff and friends and to his constituents. He admitted it was a big mistake.

He will stay in office.


so, did he say he took those pics and send them? or just said that he took the pics, and got hacked?
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
so, did he say he took those pics and send them? or just said that he took the pics, and got hacked?


He took the pix and he sent them.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 09:42 PM

Geez, I missed it all since I just got home . So to whom exactly did he send them to? Wow!! eek I hear this has been going on for a while to? My guess was, at minimum, that since he wouldn't admit that the picture was NOT him, that he took pictures of himself in his underwear and was embarrassed that he was found out. I tended to think he was hacked though. How embarrassing and possibly a political career killer but is it illegal thus far?

All that being said, I liked his outspoken manner and he seemed to stick up (no pun intended) lol for his beliefs


TIS
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 09:55 PM

Yep, Anthony Weiner finally came clean.

Weiner originally represented parts of Brooklyn - my territory - and now also represents parts of the borough of Queens. I guess I'm more than a little ticked off for personal as well as political reasons.

Will he stay in office? Well, he won't be resigning, if that's what was meant. But, will he be re-elected? Honestly, I can't even hazard a guess at this point. I'm sure if we looked skyward today, we might see his political enemies circling overhead like buzzards. Over the last few days, Weiner's weasely evasiveness and confrontational attitude didn't help any, that's for sure. If today's admissions and apologies don't salvage his politcal career, I don't think anything will.

On the news today, the reaction from people on the streets was mixed.

"In the Congress,
The mighty Congress,
The liar Tweets tonight..."


Perhaps we should retitle this thread Erection 2011? whistle

Signor V.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 10:02 PM

Well, I'm glad he told the truth. He should stay in office and if the people have any sense they will not judge him for this. I've done the same thing a thousand times and it's all in good fun. Harmless fun.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 11:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli
Yep, Anthony Weiner finally came clean.

Weiner originally represented parts of Brooklyn - my territory - and now also represents parts of the borough of Queens. I guess I'm more than a little ticked off for personal as well as political reasons.

Will he stay in office? Well, he won't be resigning, if that's what was meant. But, will he be re-elected? Honestly, I can't even hazard a guess at this point. I'm sure if we looked skyward today, we might see his political enemies circling overhead like buzzards. Over the last few days, Weiner's weasely evasiveness and confrontational attitude didn't help any, that's for sure. If today's admissions and apologies don't salvage his politcal career, I don't think anything will.

On the news today, the reaction from people on the streets was mixed.

"In the Congress,
The mighty Congress,
The liar Tweets tonight..."


Perhaps we should retitle this thread Erection 2011? whistle

Signor V.



lol Or as Jon Stewart called it last week, "The Big Wang Theory." lol


TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 11:27 PM

Bad enough for this scandal BUT with his last name, it makes him even more of a target for great headlines. Huffington Post entitles it's story:

"Wiener Let's It All Hang Out" lol


TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 06/06/11 11:49 PM

So it was you. I was going to expose you.
I know. So I chose to expose myself
Please! There are ladies present!!!
whistle
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/07/11 01:30 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Bad enough for this scandal BUT with his last name, it makes him even more of a target for great headlines. Huffington Post entitles it's story:

"Wiener Let's It All Hang Out" lol


lol lol The fact that this man's name is Weiner is absolutely priceless. I'm almost hoping there's more juicy stories about to be told here. I'll never forget the time when the Lewinsky story broke. The articles contained material that was too explicit for Hustler. I was buying Kleenex with every newspaper.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/07/11 02:27 AM

Another married pig. How stupid are these people? Do they never learn?? Why do they keep lying? Do they really think they're not going to get caught? Weiner let the Little Weiner take charge. That's always a mistake.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/07/11 02:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Another married pig. How stupid are these people? Do they never learn?? Why do they keep lying? Do they really think they're not going to get caught? Weiner let the Little Weiner take charge. That's always a mistake.



Ha ha ha!! Ain't that the truth. I'm glad he didn't have his wife standing beside him, like that clown from (S.C.??), Mark Sanford...the one that said he was hiking in the Appalachians, when they couldn't find him but was actually with his mistress. His wife was standing beside him as he apologized to the public and you could see the dread on her face. She had to have been majorly pissed. lol


I really think a good part of this kind of thing is so many don't realize how easy it is to get busted via the internet. Plus it's new to a lot of people. According to Wiener he accidentally tweeted it and then quickly deleted. lol I'll bet before the next election there will be a lot more people busted for on-line "antics." lol

TIS
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/07/11 02:48 AM

Facebook is every cheater's worst nightmare. If you're gonna be a cheater then the last thing you need is Facebook or Twitter. You get rid of these things and nobody's ever gonna know what the hell you're doing. It ain't anyone's business anyway. Now all the women are calling Weiner a pig lol. He never even met these women. His speech was pretty graceful I must say. I'm really starting to like Anthony Weiner.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/07/11 04:47 PM

Is there something in the water in the Capitol?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/07/11 04:50 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Is there something in the water in the Capitol?

I think it's the water in Queens tongue.

Weiner strikes me as a guy who was probably really shy in high school and never got any girls. Then when he found himself a suddenly powerful man, with women falling all over him, he just went nuts. I guess that's not really politically correct, but it's honestly how I see it.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 06/07/11 05:39 PM

The staff at Fox has a little egg on it's face:

"Tina Fey's impersonation of Sarah Palin is so good that it apparently continues to fool producers at Fox News, where the former Alaska governor is a paid contributor.

As The Cutline's Dylan Stableford reports, the network accidentally aired a photo of Fey impersonating Palin on "Saturday Night Live" during a report Sunday on the ex-governor's potential 2012 presidential bid."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/07/11 11:22 PM

Ed Rollins, Bachmann’s strategist, slams Sarah Palin

Quote:
Per Politico's Ben Smith, Ed Rollins, Bachmann's newly hired political adviser, let loose on the former Alaska governor in a radio interview today with Fox News's Brian Kilmeade, implying she's a joke of a candidate.

"Sarah has not been serious over the last couple of years," Rollins said. "She got the vice presidential thing handed to her. She didn't go to work in the sense of trying to gain more substance. She gave up her governorship."

Bachmann, he said, is the more established GOP candidate; he called her the 2012 field's "best communicator" since Mike Huckabee decided to skip the race.

"Michele Bachmann and others [have] worked hard, she has been a leader of the tea party, which is a very important element here," he said. "She has been an attorney. She has done important things with family values."

Source: AP
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 02:37 AM

Stephen Colbert re-enacts Sarah Palin's version of Paul Revere's midnight ride.

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 02:56 AM

Ha ha ha ha ha!! I saw that earlier. lol Between that story and Wienergate, I think every comedian in the world has their material for at least the next couple weeks.



TIS
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:01 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
...Weiner strikes me as a guy who was probably really shy in high school and never got any girls. Then when he found himself a suddenly powerful man, with women falling all over him, he just went nuts...


Except...he was not 'suddenly' a powerful man when he did these things. Weiner has been a U.S. Congressman for 13 years and has seen many a colleague fall because of stupid behavior related to sex. You would think he'd have learned from the likes of Tiger Woods among others that photos/messages like this do not go away and can someday come back to haunt. Not only that, but phone sex in his office at the Capital and offering to use his office to help Ginger Whatshername handle the press. Blatantly attempting to ruin the reputation of others while denying what he knew was true, until there were suddenly too many pics out there. Weiner is an idiot. Always has been, but has now managed to top himself. Let him keep refusing to resign; we'll see how seriously he is taken in Congress and how his constituents feel in November 2012...if he can last that long. Let's see him try to run for NYC Mayor in 2013. If he really believes he can come back from this, then let's see him try.

Unless of course, he cannot bring himself to give up that 'power' he's held for 6 consecutive terms. It's probably easy to get used to. I pity him if he did not prepare himself for life after politics.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:07 AM

According to the Census, NY has to give up two seats in Congress next year. I bet we can guess which ONE of them will be....
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:16 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
...I'm glad he didn't have his wife standing beside him, like that clown from (S.C.??),..


Yes, and like those other two clowns, Jim McGreevy & Elliot Spitzer.

Imagine having to stand by your husband, as he resigns his office as Governor, because he a) gave his unqualified male lover a high security position within his administration, or b) paid prostitutes for sexual services, the very thing he went after with a vengence in his former position as Attorney General.

Of course, there was really no need for Mrs. Weiner to stand with her own husband, since he (so far) is refusing to resign.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 10:09 AM

Who knows what the future may have held.
It could have been Mayor Weiner------> Senator Weiner----->President Weiner

Now he's just gonna be the subject of plenty of bad puns.
No one wants to touch Weiner now.
Weiner started out as Chuck Schumer's strong right hand.
But after the roasting he's gotten I think Weiner has spent himself as a force in NY politics.
Across the US, politicians are washing their hands of Weiner.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 10:13 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Is there something in the water in the Capitol?

I think it's the water in Queens tongue.

Weiner strikes me as a guy who was probably really shy in high school and never got any girls. Then when he found himself a suddenly powerful man, with women falling all over him, he just went nuts. I guess that's not really politically correct, but it's honestly how I see it.


You might be on to something, PB.

I was a high school loser never made it with a lady til the boys told me something I missed
-Anthony Weiner (uncredited co-author of "Walk This Way")
smile
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:11 PM

When I logged onto AOL this morning, I was greeted with this news headline:

The Simple Typo That Exposed Weiner

And remember, my friends, in this life there are few things more embarrassing than an exposed Weiner!

Signor V.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:20 PM

On the radio this morning the big "call-in" joke was, "Who has the best Weiner?" Of course people would actually call in with who had the best hot dog. lol

I look for more and more to come from more and more politicians. The Internet (Facebook/Twitter, etc) is all so new that a lot of people don't know what they are doing and will inevitably get busted for something or another. The days of keeping secrets or being discreet where politicians are concerned may well be over.

TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli
And remember, my friends, in this life there are few things more embarrassing than an exposed Weiner!


Especially if it is cold.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:29 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
The days of keeping secrets or being discreet where politicians are concerned may well be over.

It's over for anyone stupid enough to post those types of pictures or "sexts" on the Internet. Not just politicians.

Even if Weiner wasn't a politician, or even if he was just a kid: I'm sorry, but being young and stupid isn't a good enough excuse to post nude pics or "sexts" online.

My kids are 23, 19 and 15. And I promise you, they all know better. I'd choke the fucking life out of them if they didn't tongue lol.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:31 PM

Oh sure, it applies to everyone. We notice now because of the political arena. I mean when you hear a politician swear to one thing and then YouTube pops up showing him/her saying the exact opposite a couple years ago, could be a tad embarrassing. lol I don't think many realize just yet that must watch what they say.

TIS
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:34 PM

I can't take much more Weiner.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:37 PM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
I can't take much more Weiner.


That's not what I heard.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:38 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
It's over for anyone stupid enough to post those types of pictures or "sexts" on the Internet. Not just politicians.

Even if Weiner wasn't a politician, or even if he was just a kid: I'm sorry, but being young and stupid isn't a good enough excuse to post nude pics or "sexts" online.

My kids are 23, 19 and 15. And I promise you, they all know better. I'd choke the fucking life out of them if they didn't tongue lol.



You think so huh...I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here, but here is what I want you to do tonight. As your kids come home....take away their cell phone or whatever they use and just pop thru their pictures and downloads. Even you, as well as you think you know your kids, may be surprised what you may find on them! Mark my words!
The parents are always the last ones to know!
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 03:38 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
I can't take much more Weiner.


That's not what I heard.


Whatever you heard, IT'S A LIE!!!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 08:23 PM

First Democrat in Congress Demands Weiner Resign

By DAVID ESPO AP Special Correspondent
WASHINGTON June 8, 2011 (AP)

Rep. Allyson Schwartz of Pennsylvania is the first Democratic member of Congress to call on Anthony Weiner to resign for sending a lewd photo of himself to a woman via Twitter.

The congresswoman said in a statement released Wednesday that Weiner's behavior was offensive, and that having the respect of constituents is fundamental for a member of Congress.

Democrats in general have been unwilling to call for Weiner to give up his seat, although they've made it clear they wish he would quit.

The seven-term New Yorker has made no comment since saying at a news conference on Monday that he was not resigning.

Weiner said at the news conference he exchanged messages and photos of an explicit nature with about six women over the last three years.
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 08:54 PM

"Anthony, you didn't listen. I told you - keep your friends close, your enemies closer, and your weiner..."

Attached picture PacinoWeiner.jpg
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 08:56 PM

SV,

You were able to Photoshop that on that dinosaur computer of yours? tongue lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 09:09 PM

I'm impressed SV. I wouldn't have a clue how to photo shop. Very clever. smile


TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 09:45 PM

It is being reported that Anthony Weiner's wife is pregnant. How bittersweet this must be for her. Can you imagine? Poor thing.
I read too that they have only been married a
about one year. Geez, honeymoon's over already. frown


TIS

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/06/report-anthony-weiners-wife-pregnant/38642/
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 09:46 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
It is being reported that Anthony Weiner's wife is pregnant.

Who's the Tweeter?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 06/08/11 11:14 PM

And that's that... uhwhat sick

An X-rated photo of Congressman Anthony Weiner hit the Internet after Andrew Breitbart shared it with Sirius XM radio shock-jocks Opie and Anthony on Wednesday, who then tweeted it to the masses...
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 06/09/11 12:32 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You were able to Photoshop that on that dinosaur computer of yours?


Yeah, but I used a program called Paint Shop Pro - it's nearly the same as Photoshop. I only understand a small amount of it though, and I was never able to figure out Photoshop!

Lilo - I haven't been listening to TV or radio news for several hours. This new development seems to put another nail (perhaps the final one) in Anthony Weiner's political coffin. A damn shame. He had a real future ahead of him, possibly as NYC's next mayor. He was very popular with his constituents.

Was the photo from a private Tweet? How did Breitbart come by the picture? I'm curious about all these new developments.

And I really feel bad for Weiner's wife. frown

Signor V.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 06/09/11 11:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli


Lilo - I haven't been listening to TV or radio news for several hours. This new development seems to put another nail (perhaps the final one) in Anthony Weiner's political coffin. A damn shame. He had a real future ahead of him, possibly as NYC's next mayor. He was very popular with his constituents.

Was the photo from a private Tweet? How did Breitbart come by the picture? I'm curious about all these new developments.

And I really feel bad for Weiner's wife. frown

Signor V.


It's not entirely clear, Signor V. exactly how Breitbart got this info. I haven't followed it in close enough detail. I presume the photo was (presumably) private but was then sent on
to others. In an article that I read on Huffington there was some information that Weiner had previously had flame wars/harsh words with conservatives and/or Breitbart supporters on both Facebook and Twitter. So he knew they were paying attention to him.

So why he would go ahead and do things so stupid is beyond me. I believe, in part as was stated upthread, that Weiner didn't get enough of what keeps a man happy when he was younger and thus was open to temptation. He's only been married for a short period of time.

It takes two to tango of course. Remember back in the day that Nina Burleigh, a feminist author and political analyst said she would proudly give President Clinton oral sex for keeping abortion legal. Fame and status have their perks evidently and Weiner wanted them.

The more I think about this though the more I think that it may be possible that at least some of the women Weiner was interacting with may well have been Breitbart plants. Either way though, it was Weiner who made the disastrous decisions to have discussions like this via facebook with a woman who clams she was infatuated with him.

Everybody is human and presumably most people like sex. But you don't write things like that when you're a Congressman and especially not to a woman not your wife. It's just not done.

Although initially I didn't think he would/should resign I don't see how he survives this. If I were a voter in his district I would break out laughing everytime I saw him.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/09/11 12:08 PM

The way Andrew Breitbart has behaved throughout all this makes me hate this guy with a fucking passion. If Weiner betrayed anybody, it would have to be his wife. That is, if there is such a thing as cyber cheating lol. This is just ridiculous to me. Then Tim Kaine saying it's unforgivable to lie. What this guy does in his private life is nobody's business. It's amazing to see how many people want to see him gone over something as little as this. As if nobody has ever lied about their personal lives. The real hero in all this is Anthony Weiner himself. The irony however is that Bill Clinton did something far worse than this and his poll numbers actually skyrocketed every time he got his freak on. The man apologized, he went through some serious embarrassment and his name is Weiner! He's paid the piper and then some.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/09/11 03:06 PM

Romney '12 takes another beating.

Quote:
So far, Romney’s reviews from the right are not positive. His views about climate change in particular put him at odds with many in his party’s base.

“Bye-bye, nomination,” Rush Limbaugh said Tuesday on his radio talk show after playing a clip of Romney’s climate remark. “Another one down. We’re in the midst here of discovering that this is all a hoax. The last year has established that the whole premise of man-made global warming is a hoax, and we still have presidential candidates that want to buy into it.”


http://www.towleroad.com/2011/06/mittpiers.html#ixzz1On8kfj71
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/09/11 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Although initially I didn't think he would/should resign I don't see how he survives this.

He's not going to survive this, Lilo.

Like you, when this story first broke, I didn't really think in necessary for him to resign, but it seems another shoe drops every fifteen minutes with this story. According to MSNBC, the pressure he's facing on Capitol Hill is growing by the hour. And as soon as more than one of those people turns on you, it's open season; the rats are going to all jump ship. They say his wife being pregnant may benefit him. He can just say he's resigning to raise a family (although I'd like to see him say that with a straight face lol).

To paraphrase Michael to Fredo: "Congressman Weiner will never see the new year."
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/09/11 05:01 PM

Beside myself, is there anyone here on Team Weiner?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/09/11 07:03 PM

For anyone who sees Romney '12 as Kerry '04, you're gonna love this.

Take this interview the other night, when Piers Morgan at CNN asked Mitt Romney this simple question: "Is Homosexuality a sin?"

Quote:
MORGAN: Do you personally think homosexuality is a sin?

M. ROMNEY: Nice try, but I'm not going to get into --

MORGAN: That's a valid question, isn't it?

M. ROMNEY: It's a valid question and my answer is nice try. I'm not -- I'm not going to --

MORGAN: Nice try at what?

M. ROMNEY: I'm going to tell you that as a -- as a leader of the American people, I will do everything in my power to treat all people with respect and dignity and to -- and to advance the rights people have to choose their own course in life.

MORGAN: There are people watching you saying, "Nice try," Piers, repeatedly, saying, well, why doesn't he just answer the question?

M. ROMNEY: Well, for instance, if you were to say to me, do you think adultery is a sin, do you think someone who -- who -- who does something you disagree with is a sin?

Look, those are terms in the religious context. I'm not here in a religious context. I'm here as a candidate for president. And as a candidate for president or as a president, I would have to represent the interests of all the people. And I don't distinguish between sin and sinner as I'm -- as I'm looking at --

MORGAN: So if you were made president --

M. ROMNEY: -- as -- as I'm looking at a president. I --

MORGAN: If you were made president, you wouldn't make any pronouncements whatsoever of a personal nature about any form of personal behavior?

M. ROMNEY: Well, I -- I'm not quite sure what -- what you're referring to...

(CROSSTALK)

MORGAN: -- just hide all that behind the...

M. ROMNEY: I can't -- I can't...

MORGAN: -- of religious belief.

M. ROMNEY: It's hard -- it's hard for me to imagine describing something as a sin in a political sense. You can talk about something being wrong, about something being evil. There are -- there are murderers. That's evil and that's wrong. It also happens to be sin, according to most religions.

But -- but the -- but if the terminology is religious terminology, that's probably not something which -- which would figure into -- to public policy.

http://www.towleroad.com/2011/06/mittpiers.html#ixzz1On7CLos5
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 06/09/11 07:40 PM

This is flashing across CNN. Looks like the GOP is losing 1 candidate:

"Presidential candidate Newt Gingrich's campaign manager and other top aides have resigned, GOP sources say."
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/10/11 12:22 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
For anyone who sees Romney '12 as Kerry '04, you're gonna love this.

Take this interview the other night, when Piers Morgan at CNN asked Mitt Romney this simple question: "Is Homosexuality a sin?"

Quote:
MORGAN: Do you personally think homosexuality is a sin?

M. ROMNEY: Nice try, but I'm not going to get into --

MORGAN: That's a valid question, isn't it?

M. ROMNEY: It's a valid question and my answer is nice try. I'm not -- I'm not going to --

MORGAN: Nice try at what?

M. ROMNEY: I'm going to tell you that as a -- as a leader of the American people, I will do everything in my power to treat all people with respect and dignity and to -- and to advance the rights people have to choose their own course in life.

MORGAN: There are people watching you saying, "Nice try," Piers, repeatedly, saying, well, why doesn't he just answer the question?

M. ROMNEY: Well, for instance, if you were to say to me, do you think adultery is a sin, do you think someone who -- who -- who does something you disagree with is a sin?

Look, those are terms in the religious context. I'm not here in a religious context. I'm here as a candidate for president. And as a candidate for president or as a president, I would have to represent the interests of all the people. And I don't distinguish between sin and sinner as I'm -- as I'm looking at --

MORGAN: So if you were made president --

M. ROMNEY: -- as -- as I'm looking at a president. I --

MORGAN: If you were made president, you wouldn't make any pronouncements whatsoever of a personal nature about any form of personal behavior?

M. ROMNEY: Well, I -- I'm not quite sure what -- what you're referring to...

(CROSSTALK)

MORGAN: -- just hide all that behind the...

M. ROMNEY: I can't -- I can't...

MORGAN: -- of religious belief.

M. ROMNEY: It's hard -- it's hard for me to imagine describing something as a sin in a political sense. You can talk about something being wrong, about something being evil. There are -- there are murderers. That's evil and that's wrong. It also happens to be sin, according to most religions.

But -- but the -- but if the terminology is religious terminology, that's probably not something which -- which would figure into -- to public policy.

http://www.towleroad.com/2011/06/mittpiers.html#ixzz1On7CLos5


lol Oh man, I love this question. Wow, Mitt came off like a complete idiot here. If I was a religious homosexual and I heard that, I'd be madder than a midget with a yo-yo. Even as someone of little faith, I'm a little offended by that answer. He obviously believes homosexuality is wrong.
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Election 2012 - 06/10/11 01:56 AM

He's more obviously a politician and they don't give answers to direct questions. And I think you may have offended the "small people" community.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/10/11 02:25 AM

I don't feel like I did. I love the little people.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/10/11 08:31 PM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
I don't feel like I did. I love the little people.


Don't sell yourself short.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/10/11 08:31 PM

Want to search through the just-released Sarah Palin e-mail archive?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/06/sarah-palin-email-release-live-blog.html

http://palinemail.msnbc.msn.com/palin2011/allList.html
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/11/11 08:00 PM

Apparently Anthony Weiner is taking a temporary leave from his job. He announced earlier this afternoon that he was going to get some evaluation and treatment to help him become a better husband.

Why doesn't he just keep his dick in his pants?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/12/11 02:38 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Why doesn't he just keep his dick in his pants?


A question for the ages....
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/12/11 03:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: SC
Why doesn't he just keep his dick in his pants?


A question for the ages....



The little brain just has a mind of its own. lol


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/12/11 03:06 AM

I can't remember who said it, but I do remember do remember this: There's not enough blood in a man's body for both heads to function at the same time, and the little head always wins. lol
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 06/12/11 10:21 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Why doesn't he just keep his dick in his pants?


Noted social scientists have asked that question for years.
Some of their findings listed below. whistle

I've got women in California, New York and in between
It's a full time operation trying to keep my business clean

-Johnny Winter "I love everybody"

Why must I feel like that? Why must I chase the cat?
It's the dog in me. Nothing but the dog in me

-George Clinton "Atomic Dog"

Why does a man go crazy when a woman wears her dress so tight?
It must be the same thing that makes a tomcat fight all night
What makes a man so happy when a woman wears her evening gown?
It must be the same thing that makes a preacher lay his Bible down

-Muddy Waters "The Same Thing"
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 06/12/11 01:47 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Apparently Anthony Weiner is taking a temporary leave from his job. He announced earlier this afternoon that he was going to get some evaluation and treatment to help him become a better husband....


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/...einer-to-resign

Considering how Weiner behaved in the days before having no choice but to admitting the truth, I think this is a phony stunt to appear sincere and avoid further pressure to resign. To request a 'short leave' from Congress for evaluation and treatment is a very on-the-surface remedy to his problems.

In addition, while he is on leave that would be one less vote in Congress for his State and his party, which is already in the minority. So this 'treatment' business is purely a self-serving move on Weiner's part.

It's not simply a matter of keeping his dick in his pants. True, he needs to deal with his personal life...which should really come first. But this latest stunt will not change how he addressed the scandal from Day One, nor will it repair the damage he's done to both his credibility AND his political career. All he's doing now is sweeping dirt under the rug.

Apple
Posted By: Don Cardi

Re: Election 2012 - 06/12/11 02:28 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Why doesn't he just keep his dick in his pants?


Cause he's a Weiner!
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/13/11 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Originally Posted By: SC
Why doesn't he just keep his dick in his pants?


Cause he's a Weiner!



Yeah, but he's no Sabret.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/13/11 07:04 PM

Question overheard this morning....
With everything that is going on- Has he done anything illegal?
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/13/11 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Originally Posted By: SC
Why doesn't he just keep his dick in his pants?


Cause he's a Weiner!



Yeah, but he's no Sabret.


and surely Oscar Meyer would have never got caught doing this...
but who knows what happens inside the weiner mobile!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/13/11 08:09 PM

When Margaret Thatcher's people think you're too conservative, you know you have problems lol.

Sarah Palin snub by Margaret Thatcher aides infuriates US rightwing

Rush Limbaugh joins supporters accusing Thatcher's circle of disgracing former PM with 'Palin is nuts' comment

Nicholas Watt, The Guardian UK

A firestorm on the US right has erupted after the Guardian reported that Sarah Palin will be denied a meeting with Lady Thatcher on the grounds that it would be "belittling" for her to meet the darling of the Tea Party movement.

Rush Limbaugh, the conservative radio host, devoted the opening section of his radio show to denouncing the "preposterous" Guardian report, as Palin supporters accused Thatcher's circle of disgracing the former prime minister.

The US conservative right reacted furiously after the Guardian reported that Thatcher's aides had decided it would be inappropriate for her to meet Palin, who is planning to visit London next month en route to Sudan. Palin has been touring US historical sites (an excursion that saw her slip up this week on the subject of Paul Revere, the American patriot who made a famous "midnight ride" to warn of approaching British forces).

One Thatcher ally told the Guardian: "Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin. That would be belittling for Margaret. Sarah Palin is nuts."

The former prime minister's friends say she will show the level she punches at when she marks the centenary of the birth of Ronald Reagan by attending the unveiling of a statue of the late president outside the US embassy in Grosvenor Square on independence day, 4 July. The Thatcher ally added: "Margaret is focusing on Ronald Reagan and will attend the unveiling of the statue. That is her level."

The response from the US right was swift. Limbaugh opened his show on Wednesday with a lengthy denunciation of the Guardian after the New York Daily News and a host of US publications picked up on the comments.

"There's a story out there today, and it's an illustration of how things happen, how things are said and reported," Limbaugh told his listeners. "This is preposterous, and I have personal knowledge of this."

Limbaugh said he knew Thatcher well and embarked on a lengthy description of how he had driven her round a Florida golf course on a golf cart: "I have been with her in social and professional settings as well. It's obvious that her health is not today what it was, but back in the day, Margaret Thatcher would in no way allow an aide to refer to anybody, Sarah Palin notwithstanding, as 'nuts'."

La Donna Hale Curzon, the host of Sarah Palin Radio, accused the Thatcher circle of disgracing the former prime minister. "Margaret Thatcher would never call a fellow Conservative, let alone Gov Palin 'nuts'," Hale Curzon tweeted. "Thatcher's handlers have disgraced the Iron Lady."

The ally who criticised Palin said the Thatcher circle would not change their minds despite the backlash. "Margaret will not be meeting Sarah Palin. If necessary we will make sure that Margaret has an off day when Palin is in London."

Critics of Palin revelled in the backlash against Thatcher's circle, whose dismissive views of Palin undermine her claim that she is the victim of a witch-hunt by left-leaning mainstream media. Palin regards Thatcher as one of her heroines.

Andrew Sullivan, of The Dish blog, which chronicles Palin's weaknesses, wrote : "As usual, the tired old bigoted comedian Rush Limbaugh took offence that anyone could call Sarah Palin 'nuts,' even though she is quite obviously a few sandwiches short of a picnic, and her grip on reality is, shall we say, tenuous. And as usual, Limbaugh blamed it on the left, ie the Guardian's Wintour/Watt blog.

"What he doesn't understand is that Palin's nutsiness is not a partisan matter in Britain, or anywhere else in the world. It is an obvious truth marvelled at by all. Palin's emergence as a serious figure in American politics has made the country a laughing stock across the world. The idea that a stateswoman like Thatcher, in advanced dementia, would be used by such a crackpot is simply unseemly."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 01:21 AM

So anyone watch that GOP debate on CNN?
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 01:53 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
So anyone watch that GOP debate on CNN?



nope...but, i would love to hear a recap on who is the biggest jackass of the group.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 02:23 AM

Newt. (I know, shocking.)

Pawlenty really looked lost like a deer in headlights.

Romney's Pandering would outsell all my local car dealers.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 02:58 AM

i thought newt was gone? and, i am not surprised by pawlenty or romeny
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 03:48 AM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
i thought newt was gone?


So did I. Or, perhaps it was just wishful thinking on my part. I don't get CNN, so I was only dimly aware that there was going to be a debate.

But I am curious to hear a descriptive account. Or, maybe I'll weaken and buy tomorrow's newspapers.

Signor V.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 12:35 PM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
Question overheard this morning....
With everything that is going on- Has he done anything illegal?


Noone?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 01:24 PM

The only thing Weiner did wrong was guilty of being incredibly fucking STUPID.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 02:29 PM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
Originally Posted By: fathersson
Question overheard this morning....
With everything that is going on- Has he done anything illegal?


Noone?


In my personal opinion, no, he didn't. I don't know if that changes if it turns out he used a government computer or government phone line to carry on his nonsense. Otherwise, he just might be the only politician caught in a sex scandal in which he didn't actually have any sort of sex.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 03:44 PM

Wiener is a moron, and we should expect a lot more from our elected officials, but as far as I can tell he didnt break any laws.

What is really amazing is that a story like this captures the national attention more than economic and evvironmental issues, not to mention all that is going on in the iddle east and elsewhere in the world. This is a typical stupid media feeding frenzy. If someone on the appropriations committee wre being investigated for taking kickbacks from a lobbyist it would barely get mentioned.

Does anyone care that this country has some really huge issues right now, and that Anthony's Wiener is not one of them?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 03:46 PM

His name is what fed the media frenzy.

Just wait till he resigns: WEINER PULLS OUT.

Guaranteed.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 04:00 PM

DT, these scandals are a diversion. Of course, the Congressman is one of only 537 elected federal officials. That is a select group who's machinations, good or bad, attract attention. National issues are still there and still attract our attention. It's just that those issues attract our attention over a considerably longer period of time than a relatively momentary event such as Wiener's.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 04:13 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
. . . a relatively momentary event such as Wiener's.

A momentary event?

Now the poor bastard suffers from premature ejaculation, too?
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Wiener is a moron, and we should expect a lot more from our elected officials, but as far as I can tell he didnt break any laws.

What is really amazing is that a story like this captures the national attention more than economic and evvironmental issues, not to mention all that is going on in the iddle east and elsewhere in the world. This is a typical stupid media feeding frenzy. If someone on the appropriations committee wre being investigated for taking kickbacks from a lobbyist it would barely get mentioned.

Does anyone care that this country has some really huge issues right now, and that Anthony's Wiener is not one of them?


DT, in the public sector could he be fired for this type of thing. That is without the fear of him coming back and suing his employer.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/14/11 07:55 PM

If it took place between two consenting adults on personal time using personal resources, why should he? The dangerous part of what he did is that he could have unknowingly sent pictures to a minor. By their own admission, Wiener never met these women. These were strictly internet relationships. What assurances did he have that none of them were minors??
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 06/15/11 08:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli
Originally Posted By: BAM_233
i thought newt was gone?


So did I. Or, perhaps it was just wishful thinking on my part. I don't get CNN, so I was only dimly aware that there was going to be a debate.

But I am curious to hear a descriptive account. Or, maybe I'll weaken and buy tomorrow's newspapers.

Signor V.



Debate Recap
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 06/15/11 11:57 AM

Yeah. Who could possibly be offended by this ad?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/15/11 02:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Yeah. Who could possibly be offended by this ad?


Oh. My. God. I believe the blatant racism and sexism in that ad may have left me completely speechless, a rare occurrence as anyone who knows me will confirm.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/15/11 03:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Yeah. Who could possibly be offended by this ad?

"Willie Horton on steroids." If it weren't so true, I'd be laughing my ass off at the wit of that remark.

I'll tell ya, Lilo. I have to say this: The two black guys should be ashamed of themselves for taking part in that ad. To behave like that just for a paycheck is despicable; I don't care if they're actors or not. They're making fools of themselves and making it easy for the loonies on the far right to heap all black people in with cartoon characters like them mad.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/15/11 04:08 PM

Just keep giving these teabaggers all the rope they need.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/15/11 07:56 PM

One of the bimbos (the porn star) involved in the Anthony Weiner scandal has hired Gloria Allred. What the &*$% does she need an attorney for? Especially a vile, man-hating, publicity whore like Allred?

No one held a gun to her head and told her to get into an online "relationship." This is turning into Tiger Woods all over again.

I can't stand Allred, and for the record, neither can my feminist wife.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 06/15/11 08:13 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
One of the bimbos (the porn star) involved in the Anthony Weiner scandal has hired Gloria Allred. What the &*$% does she need an attorney for? Especially a vile, man-hating, publicity whore like Allred?

No one held a gun to her head and told her to get into an online "relationship." This is turning into Tiger Woods all over again.

I can't stand Allred, and for the record, neither can my feminist wife.


in all honesty this was funny for maybe a week, but now i am so tired of this. and, i do agree with you pizzaboy.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/15/11 08:25 PM

Porn actress: Congressman Weiner asked me to lie about talks

ASSOCIATED PRESS June 15, 2011

NEW YORK (AP) — A former porn actress who said she exchanged emails and messages over Twitter with New York Rep. Anthony Weiner said Wednesday that he asked her to lie about their online communications.

Ginger Lee said she and Weiner exchanged about 100 emails between March and June, beginning after Lee posted a supportive statement about the congressman on her blog. She said they mostly discussed politics, but he would often turn the conversation to sex.

“’I have wardrobe demands too. I need to highlight my package,’” Weiner wrote Lee, in an email read aloud at the news conference by Lee’s attorney, Gloria Allred.

Weiner acknowledged last week that he had sent lewd photos and texts to women after a photo of his crotch was posted on Twitter. In an interview two weeks ago, he acknowledged that he had exchanged messages with Lee but didn’t elaborate.

Lee said she did not send sexually suggestive messages to Weiner.

“Anytime that he would take our communications in a sexual direction, I did not reciprocate,” she said.

Weiner sent Lee an email in early June after the photo of his crotch was sent out on his Twitter account, and “he asked me to lie” about their contact, she said.

Lee said she put out a three-sentence statement on the matter at his request. She did not elaborate but said she was coming forward now to tell the truth and to deny reports that she was in an online sexual relationship with him.

Weiner has taken a two-week leave from the House, in treatment for an undisclosed disorder at an undisclosed location.

House Democratic colleagues are looking for him to step down this week amid a growing chorus for him to resign. Even President Barack Obama has suggested he should leave.

Adding to the drama, Weiner’s pregnant wife, Huma Abedin, returned Wednesday from a trip to Africa with her boss, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

A fellow member of Weiner’s New York Democratic delegation, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, said she’s heard from Weiner’s friends that the congressman was waiting for his wife to come home before making any decisions about his political future. McCarthy also cited talk among Weiner’s friends about the possibility he could resign this week.

House Democrats huddled behind closed doors Tuesday for their regular party meeting, but they decided against taking action against Weiner in hopes that he’ll resign soon.

The House Democratic leader, Nancy Pelosi, reiterated her call for Weiner to quit, saying after the meeting that she wanted to make sure nobody missed her earlier resignation call while members were on a weeklong recess.

Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., said: “I think we should send a strong message to him that he should resign, and let’s see what happens. The more of us who say it, the more telling it will be.”

House Speaker John Boehner, a Republican, had been content to let Democrats wrestle with the embarrassing scandal, but when asked Tuesday whether Weiner should resign, he responded, “Yes.”

The furor over sexually suggestive photos and other revelations about the 46-year-old congressman has been a distraction for Democrats seeking momentum as they gear up for the 2012 elections. Besides Pelosi, several other Democrats have called for Weiner to quit, including the party chairwoman, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla.

Copyright 2011 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 10:47 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

I'll tell ya, Lilo. I have to say this: The two black guys should be ashamed of themselves for taking part in that ad. To behave like that just for a paycheck is despicable; I don't care if they're actors or not.

Stupid is as stupid does... sick
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 11:02 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Porn actress: Congressman Weiner asked me to lie about talks

ASSOCIATED PRESS June 15, 2011

“’I have wardrobe demands too. I need to highlight my package,’” Weiner wrote Lee, in an email read aloud at the news conference by Lee’s attorney, Gloria Allred.

Lee said she did not send sexually suggestive messages to Weiner.

“Anytime that he would take our communications in a sexual direction, I did not reciprocate,” she said.

Weiner sent Lee an email in early June after the photo of his crotch was sent out on his Twitter account, and “he asked me to lie” about their contact, she said.


The star of such films as Barely Legal #61 feels it necessary to reiterate that she did not reciprocate to Weiner's advances.
lol She's a GOOD girl...

Weiner's got NO Game. None at all. When someone that has sex for a living rushes to say she wouldn't even flirt with YOU, you've got some problems in your approach.


I agree though, what reason is there to hire Allred and put more of Weiner's business in the street. Allred has issues with men in general I think but what are Lee's motivations for piling on Weiner? whistle
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 12:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Porn actress: Congressman Weiner asked me to lie about talks

ASSOCIATED PRESS June 15, 2011

“’I have wardrobe demands too. I need to highlight my package,’” Weiner wrote Lee, in an email read aloud at the news conference by Lee’s attorney, Gloria Allred.

Lee said she did not send sexually suggestive messages to Weiner.

“Anytime that he would take our communications in a sexual direction, I did not reciprocate,” she said.

Weiner sent Lee an email in early June after the photo of his crotch was sent out on his Twitter account, and “he asked me to lie” about their contact, she said.


The star of such films as Barely Legal #61 feels it necessary to reiterate that she did not reciprocate to Weiner's advances.
lol She's a GOOD girl...

Weiner's got NO Game. None at all. When someone that has sex for a living rushes to say she wouldn't even flirt with YOU, you've got some problems in your approach.


I agree though, what reason is there to hire Allred and put more of Weiner's business in the street. Allred has issues with men in general I think but what are Lee's motivations for piling on Weiner? whistle




Allred is just a shit stirer....and man hater.
all she wants is time in front of the camera.
She will try and put her nose into any high profile news item she can.
Her deal is to shop anything she can to the media, including any rag that will print it.
Most of her clients are trashy, money hungrey bimbos
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 12:41 PM

"I did not reciprocate" lol. Ginger Lee is such a sweet and decent human being that I'm about to throw up all over my beautiful blue shirt. I personally have no problem with women who have sex for a living, but to come out like this and try to make money this way is nothing short of being pathetic. Then these women complain about having no love in their lives lol. From now on, I will boycott all her videos. Yes, I said it! As for Gloria Allred, she manages to top herself every time. I'm almost hoping Charlie Sheen completely loses it and finishes her off with that fucking machete.

Posted By: Beth E

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 01:54 PM

Weiner WILL pull out.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/16/weiner.scandal/index.html
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 02:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Beth E




A Limp Weiner Leave Office!
smile
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 02:09 PM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
From now on, I will boycott all her videos. Yes, I said it!


Even the one where she gang bangs all those guys?

This just in... Gloria Allred causes downfall in the porn world! Another weiner goes soft after Allred files suit!
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 05:02 PM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
Most of her clints are trashy, money hungrey bimbos


Are there any other kind??? lol
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Weiner's got NO Game. None at all. When someone that has sex for a living rushes to say she wouldn't even flirt with YOU, you've got some problems in your approach.


Kind of strange that it was not the twit that got him; it was the twat.

Weiner left his Queens apartment and is on his way to Sheepshead Bay (Brooklyn) to announce his resignation now. I'm betting he stops off at Nathan's (for some weiners) on his way back.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
I'm betting he stops off at Nathan's (for some weiners) on his way back.

I think he'll get a "package" to go.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 06:25 PM

Gotta love the Brooklyn crowd (at the press conference). lol

(Did you hear some jerk in the crowd yelling and asking if Weiner had more than 7 inches?)
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
(Did you hear some jerk in the crowd yelling and asking if Weiner had more than 7 inches?)

Did I hear it?

It was me who asked him lol.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 06:42 PM

He might have survived this had he not been such a prick.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 06:58 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Gotta love the Brooklyn crowd (at the press conference). lol

(Did you hear some jerk in the crowd yelling and asking if Weiner had more than 7 inches?)


Headline: Weiner Grilled BY Crowd!
lol
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 07:03 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: SC
(Did you hear some jerk in the crowd yelling and asking if Weiner had more than 7 inches?)

Did I hear it?

It was me who asked him lol.


Sorry, Buddy...that sounds a bit strange in some way lol
I am sure you have your reason for asking... whistle

lol lol lol
Just joking....
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 07:15 PM

That crowd really let it all hang out.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 07:31 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
That crowd really let it all hang out.



I loved the heckler that shouted out, "Bye, bye pervert!"



You know it isn't over yet....

He is still probably facing some "stiff" charges though...


and the best yet:

Rumor has it that Anthony Weiner is going to run for president.
He has chosen attorney general Eric Holder as his running mate.
Get your Weiner-Holder bumper stickers early, before they are all gone.
lol
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 08:02 PM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
Get your Weiner-Holder bumper stickers early, before they are all gone.


Only one word can sum up Anthony "Crash-and-Burn" Weiner. Hide your eyes, kids:

Click to reveal..


Signor V.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 09:14 PM

SV, I bet you've been waiting for the right opportunity to pull that out.
Posted By: Beth E

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 10:25 PM

Dickhead. haha. Love it!
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 11:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
SV, I bet you've been waiting for the right opportunity to pull that out.

Heheheheh..... I couldn't have phrased it better myself! I knew Weiner would resign, particularly when more and more embarrassing photos surfaced and people came forward. When even Barack Obama himself said Weiner should step down, you knew his days were numbered.

Originally Posted By: Beth E
Dickhead. haha. Love it!

Well, as they say: "If the shoe fits..."

Ironically, it would appear that a sizeable number of voters would have re-elected him at the next election. He really did do a lot for the people he represented. But still, when your own party feels you are nothing but a liability, his fate was sealed. Also, a lot of analysts feel the worst thing Weiner did was pile lie upon lie in the days when the story first broke. Some feel that if he had been truthful from the beginning, he just might have been able to survive this. Personally, I'm not so sure. The whole thing just snowballed out of control, and Weiner did the only thing he could do - that is, other than hara-kiri.

Talk about self-destruction.

Signor V.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 06/16/11 11:22 PM

who wants to bet that he ends up having his own show on cnn
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 12:31 AM

Spitzer and Weiner?? Oh, man, that's just too good for some network to pass up!

SV, I agree. I feel bad for his wife, although working so long for Hillary has helped, I'm sure. And for all this to have happened when she found out that she's pregnant, which should be the happiest time of her life, is just too mean.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 10:29 AM

Mitt Romney to voters: ‘I’m also unemployed’

Quote:
At a campaign event in Florida today, the 2012 Republican frontrunner met with a group of unemployed workers who talked about their challenges looking for jobs in the struggling economy.

After they concluded, the former Massachusetts governor suggested he should tell his own "story," according to the New York Times' Jeff Zeleny.

"I'm also unemployed," Romney replied, with a smile.

The comment was clearly meant to hint jokingly at Romney's bid for the presidency, but it was also an odd statement coming from a candidate whose financial situation is so far removed from his audience's. A former head of Bain Capital, Romney is said to be worth at least $200 million--wealth that has enabled him to concentrate on running for president full time for the better part of the last five years.


*facepalm*
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 01:13 PM

Regarding Anthony Weiner, in an earlier post I said "If the shoe fits..." Well, that shoe may be a pump, or something else equally embarrassing. The National Enquirer (that paragon of unbiased, respected journalism) has unearthed an old photo of His Weinership dressed, well... see for yourself:

Click here.

Honestly, what else are they gonna dig up on this guy? As if the poor sonofabitch doesn't have enough problems! And, as SB said above, I just feel sorry for his wife. Boy, do I feel sorry for her.

"Oh, I'm a Congressman and I'm okay,
I sleep all night and I work all day.
I Tweet my shorts, I wear high heels,
Suspenders and a bra..."


(With apologies to Monty Python.)

Well, he resigned. Now I think they should just leave the guy alone. Let him fade into the distance. He's got a lot to deal with - like his marriage, for one thing - and I really think he should be left to do it in private.

Signor V.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 03:28 PM

OK, so the roasted weiner has resigned...
But what does he walk away with?
Does he still get a pension, full medical for life?
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 03:29 PM

Mitt Romney's "jke about being unemployed proves he suffers from "Al Gore Disease."
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli
Regarding Anthony Weiner, in an earlier post I said "If the shoe fits..." Well, that shoe may be a pump, or something else equally embarrassing. The National Enquirer (that paragon of unbiased, respected journalism) has unearthed an old photo of His Weinership dressed, well... see for yourself:

Click here.

Honestly, what else are they gonna dig up on this guy? As if the poor sonofabitch doesn't have enough problems! And, as SB said above, I just feel sorry for his wife. Boy, do I feel sorry for her.

"Oh, I'm a Congressman and I'm okay,
I sleep all night and I work all day.
I Tweet my shorts, I wear high heels,
Suspenders and a bra..."


(With apologies to Monty Python.)

Well, he resigned. Now I think they should just leave the guy alone. Let him fade into the distance. He's got a lot to deal with - like his marriage, for one thing - and I really think he should be left to do it in private.

Signor V.




As I looked at that picture, all I could think of was that he reminded me of Ronald Regans son
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
OK, so the roasted weiner has resigned...
But what does he walk away with?
Does he still get a pension, full medical for life?



If he has 20 years in incuding his time as a counsilman in NY he probably gets a pension at age 65 or something. Dunno about health care, but you probably could look it up.

What he should do is get a divorce, steal Callista and run for president.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 03:38 PM

Did anyone see the TODAY show this morning.
They had one of the women who weiner was in contact with on.

Ann went after her- you did know that he was married right?
Why did you go after him? You work for a religous group?
Why did you need to bring two lawyers with you?
Why are you here at all?
What did you expect to get from doing this with weiner? lol
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 03:41 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: fathersson
OK, so the roasted weiner has resigned...
But what does he walk away with?
Does he still get a pension, full medical for life?



If he has 20 years in incuding his time as a counsilman in NY he probably gets a pension at age 65 or something. Dunno about health care, but you probably could look it up.

What he should do is get a divorce, steal Callista and run for president.




Does he have to wait till 65?
Wonder where you could find this out? TMZ? lol
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 04:06 PM

This just in:

Weiner Tucks Weiner in this new found picture! whistle


Weiner's wife checks her clothes for missing items! lol

Women all across the country sent undies to aid Weiner after he resigns! smile


These other Headlines are also hot off the press:

Weiner gets call from Macys and J.C Pennys for his new job offer!

Playboy owner Hugh Heffner offers Millons $$$ for Weiners wife to show and tell it all!
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: fathersson
OK, so the roasted weiner has resigned...
But what does he walk away with?
Does he still get a pension, full medical for life?



If he has 20 years in incuding his time as a counsilman in NY he probably gets a pension at age 65 or something. Dunno about health care, but you probably could look it up.

What he should do is get a divorce, steal Callista and run for president.




Does he have to wait till 65?
Wonder where you could find this out? TMZ? lol



It is either on The Daily Beast or Politico.com today. He gets a 46,000 a year pension from congress after he's in his fifties, he gets insurance through 2012. Gets lifetime free parking at capitol, and get this, for a nominal fee he can continue to use the House Gym forever.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
He gets a 46,000 a year pension from congress after he's in his fifties, he gets insurance through 2012. Gets lifetime free parking at capitol, and get this, for a nominal fee he can continue to use the House Gym forever.

Does he get free Internet access for life?
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 05:54 PM

Hustler's Larry Flynt makes Weiner an offer

As a lifelong fan of Hustler Magazine, I hope Anthony Weiner does the right thing here and goes to Beverly Hills to talk turkey.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/11 11:43 PM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
As a lifelong fan of Hustler Magazine ....


Lifelong??? confused
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/18/11 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
As a lifelong fan of Hustler Magazine ....


Lifelong??? confused



He used to sneak a peak at his fathers! lol
Posted By: DonMichaelCorleone

Re: Election 2012 - 06/18/11 02:37 AM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Hustler's Larry Flynt makes Weiner an offer

As a lifelong fan of Hustler Magazine, I hope Anthony Weiner does the right thing here and goes to Beverly Hills to talk turkey.


A lawbreaker from an early age I see....
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/18/11 01:00 PM

Originally Posted By: DonMichaelCorleone
Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Hustler's Larry Flynt makes Weiner an offer

As a lifelong fan of Hustler Magazine, I hope Anthony Weiner does the right thing here and goes to Beverly Hills to talk turkey.


A lawbreaker from an early age I see....


A lawbreaker? I was a child. Anyone who doesn't understand what it means to break the law should never have to be referred to as a lawbreaker. This is why in most civilized countries, you can not prosecute children or the mentally ill.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 06/18/11 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Originally Posted By: DonMichaelCorleone
Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Hustler's Larry Flynt makes Weiner an offer

As a lifelong fan of Hustler Magazine, I hope Anthony Weiner does the right thing here and goes to Beverly Hills to talk turkey.


A lawbreaker from an early age I see....


A lawbreaker? I was a child. Anyone who doesn't understand what it means to break the law should never have to be referred to as a lawbreaker. This is why in most civilized countries, you can not prosecute children or the mentally ill.



At least we now know why you aren't in jail! lol

Take a look at this ink blot and tell us what you see..... tongue
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Election 2012 - 06/18/11 05:58 PM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Originally Posted By: DonMichaelCorleone
Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Hustler's Larry Flynt makes Weiner an offer

As a lifelong fan of Hustler Magazine, I hope Anthony Weiner does the right thing here and goes to Beverly Hills to talk turkey.


A lawbreaker from an early age I see....


A lawbreaker? I was a child. Anyone who doesn't understand what it means to break the law should never have to be referred to as a lawbreaker. This is why in most civilized countries, you can not prosecute children or the mentally ill.



At least we now know why you aren't in jail! lol


I'm not in jail because I'm not a lawbreaker. Simple as that.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 06/18/11 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
I'm not in jail because I'm not a lawbreaker. Simple as that.


... or caught yet!
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Election 2012 - 06/19/11 03:20 AM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli
Regarding Anthony Weiner, in an earlier post I said "If the shoe fits..." see for yourself:

Click here.

Honestly, what else are they gonna dig up on this guy? ... Now I think they should just leave the guy alone. Let him fade into the distance. He's got a lot to deal with ...


As I looked at that picture, all I could think of was that he reminded me of Ronald Regans son


In my opinion Weiner bears a striking resemblance to Squidward from Spongebob Squarepants. Somebody really ought to post side-by-side pics of the two. THEN I will be happy to see him fade into the distance.

Regarding the college pics...while it adds to the hilarity I really don't see any reason to have dug that out. People do some incredibly whacky things in college and it was Weiner's handling of the twitter scandal - lying to the media that tried to defend him; lying to his own colleagues; purposely attempting to implicate others in order to remove attention from his own actions - that led to his self-imposed downfall, even more than the photos themselves.
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 06/19/11 04:01 AM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
In my opinion Weiner bears a striking resemblance to Squidward from Spongebob Squarepants. Somebody really ought to post side-by-side pics of the two. THEN I will be happy to see him fade into the distance.




Happy to oblige. wink

Signor V.
Posted By: kun21

Re: Election 2012 - 06/22/11 03:25 AM

good idea,hope you can write more article


________________

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/26/11 02:59 AM

Iowa GOP:

Romney 23%
Bachmann 22%

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/198467/...Iowa-poll-finds
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/27/11 08:23 PM



Bachmann cites wrong John Wayne, accidentally praises notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy.

Woops.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 06/28/11 12:29 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


Bachmann cites wrong John Wayne, accidentally praises notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy.

Woops.


wow lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 06/28/11 11:01 AM

Posted By: Beth E

Re: Election 2012 - 06/28/11 11:16 AM

Weingergate 2?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 07/01/11 10:48 AM


DR.BACHMANN: We have to understand: barbarians need to be educated. They need to be disciplined. Just because someone feels it or thinks it doesn’t mean that we are supposed to go down that road. That’s what is called the sinful nature. We have a responsibility as parents and as authority figures not to encourage such thoughts and feelings from moving into the action steps…


Ok, two things.

1)
Husband and wife are supposed to be indivisible. They usually can't be forced to testify against each other. When I tell one spouse something I assume that I told the other, blah, blah blah. So will Michele Bachman be forced to separate herself from her husband's words. She can't really do that politically can she? I mean she's said much the same thing. Will there be outrage over Dr. Bachmann's statements? Is that good for Michele Bachmann's chances politically?

2)
I know I'm not alone on this because it's all over the net. But the good doctor (ahem) doesn't exactly sound like the most heterosexual dude in the world. In fact he sounds like Big Gay Al from South Park. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Now tell me I'm wrong. whistle lol
Dr. Bachmann speaks
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 07/08/11 08:00 PM

Michele Bachmann is first GOP presidential candidate to sign pledge banning gay marriage, porn

BY Aliyah Shahid
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

No porn for you! At least if Michele Bachmann has anything to say about it.

The GOP congresswoman is the first presidential candidate to sign a pledge that calls for banning all forms of pornography and gay marriage. It also requires fidelity between spouses.

"The Marriage Vow" is being pushed by Family Leader, an influential Christian conservative Iowa group.

It also states that homosexuality is a choice and a health risk - and should be compared to polygamy or adultery.

The pledge also calls for rejecting Sharia law, appointing faithful constitutionalists as judges and opposing any effort to redefine marriage between man and woman.

Family Leader CEO Bob Vander Plaats has said his group would not endorse any candidates that did not sign the pledge.

"The Family Leader views this pledge as an important component needed to inform constituents about the personal stand that each presidential candidate takes regarding marriage," said Vander Plaats, who unsuccessfully ran for governor of Iowa in 2010.

"We believe that the candidates' positions on core values, such as marriage, correlate directly to his/her moral stances on energy issues, sound budgeting policies, national defense, and economic policies," he added.

Alice Stewart, a spokeswoman for Bachmann, told the Washington Post that the 54-year-old social conservative did not hesitate to sign the pledge.

"She has been married for over 30 years and has a strong marriage and faith," Stewart said.

No other candidates have signed the pledge yet.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...l#ixzz1RXu3Nblg
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 07/08/11 08:33 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Michele Bachmann is first GOP presidential candidate to sign pledge banning gay marriage, porn

BY Aliyah Shahid
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

No porn for you! At least if Michele Bachmann has anything to say about it.

The GOP congresswoman is the first presidential candidate to sign a pledge that calls for banning all forms of pornography and gay marriage. It also requires fidelity between spouses.

"The Marriage Vow" is being pushed by Family Leader, an influential Christian conservative Iowa group.

It also states that homosexuality is a choice and a health risk - and should be compared to polygamy or adultery.

The pledge also calls for rejecting Sharia law, appointing faithful constitutionalists as judges and opposing any effort to redefine marriage between man and woman.

Family Leader CEO Bob Vander Plaats has said his group would not endorse any candidates that did not sign the pledge.

"The Family Leader views this pledge as an important component needed to inform constituents about the personal stand that each presidential candidate takes regarding marriage," said Vander Plaats, who unsuccessfully ran for governor of Iowa in 2010.

"We believe that the candidates' positions on core values, such as marriage, correlate directly to his/her moral stances on energy issues, sound budgeting policies, national defense, and economic policies," he added.

Alice Stewart, a spokeswoman for Bachmann, told the Washington Post that the 54-year-old social conservative did not hesitate to sign the pledge.

"She has been married for over 30 years and has a strong marriage and faith," Stewart said.

No other candidates have signed the pledge yet.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...l#ixzz1RXu3Nblg


so, pretty much everybody that supports gay marriage and or porn will not vote for her...and thats pretty much the whole united states.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Election 2012 - 07/08/11 08:48 PM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Michele Bachmann is first GOP presidential candidate to sign pledge banning gay marriage, porn

BY Aliyah Shahid
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

No porn for you! At least if Michele Bachmann has anything to say about it.

The GOP congresswoman is the first presidential candidate to sign a pledge that calls for banning all forms of pornography and gay marriage. It also requires fidelity between spouses.

"The Marriage Vow" is being pushed by Family Leader, an influential Christian conservative Iowa group.

It also states that homosexuality is a choice and a health risk - and should be compared to polygamy or adultery.

The pledge also calls for rejecting Sharia law, appointing faithful constitutionalists as judges and opposing any effort to redefine marriage between man and woman.

Family Leader CEO Bob Vander Plaats has said his group would not endorse any candidates that did not sign the pledge.

"The Family Leader views this pledge as an important component needed to inform constituents about the personal stand that each presidential candidate takes regarding marriage," said Vander Plaats, who unsuccessfully ran for governor of Iowa in 2010.

"We believe that the candidates' positions on core values, such as marriage, correlate directly to his/her moral stances on energy issues, sound budgeting policies, national defense, and economic policies," he added.

Alice Stewart, a spokeswoman for Bachmann, told the Washington Post that the 54-year-old social conservative did not hesitate to sign the pledge.

"She has been married for over 30 years and has a strong marriage and faith," Stewart said.

No other candidates have signed the pledge yet.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...l#ixzz1RXu3Nblg


so, pretty much everybody that supports gay marriage and or porn will not vote for her...and thats pretty much the whole united states.


Nope - just the Cubs fans! wink
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 07/09/11 12:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Mark
Originally Posted By: BAM_233
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Michele Bachmann is first GOP presidential candidate to sign pledge banning gay marriage, porn

BY Aliyah Shahid
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

No porn for you! At least if Michele Bachmann has anything to say about it.

The GOP congresswoman is the first presidential candidate to sign a pledge that calls for banning all forms of pornography and gay marriage. It also requires fidelity between spouses.

"The Marriage Vow" is being pushed by Family Leader, an influential Christian conservative Iowa group.

It also states that homosexuality is a choice and a health risk - and should be compared to polygamy or adultery.

The pledge also calls for rejecting Sharia law, appointing faithful constitutionalists as judges and opposing any effort to redefine marriage between man and woman.

Family Leader CEO Bob Vander Plaats has said his group would not endorse any candidates that did not sign the pledge.

"The Family Leader views this pledge as an important component needed to inform constituents about the personal stand that each presidential candidate takes regarding marriage," said Vander Plaats, who unsuccessfully ran for governor of Iowa in 2010.

"We believe that the candidates' positions on core values, such as marriage, correlate directly to his/her moral stances on energy issues, sound budgeting policies, national defense, and economic policies," he added.

Alice Stewart, a spokeswoman for Bachmann, told the Washington Post that the 54-year-old social conservative did not hesitate to sign the pledge.

"She has been married for over 30 years and has a strong marriage and faith," Stewart said.

No other candidates have signed the pledge yet.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...l#ixzz1RXu3Nblg


so, pretty much everybody that supports gay marriage and or porn will not vote for her...and thats pretty much the whole united states.


Nope - just the Cubs fans! wink


great to see you mark, i guess you will be voting for her since you both are big fans of john wayne gacy...who was also a fan of the white sox.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 07/09/11 04:39 PM

Anemic job growth numbers threaten President Obama's 2012 run

BY Aliyah Shahid and Thomas M. Defrank
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

WASHINGTON - President Obama scrambled yesterday in the wake of another disastrous jobs report to reverse America's economic slump - and salvage his 2012 prospects.

Numbers as anemic as yesterday's - only 18,000 private sector jobs created in June - caused the unemployment rate to rise to a politically unpalatable 9.2%. Despite a recovering stock market and 2 million jobs created on Obama's watch, the new jobs number was the lowest in nine months - dealing Obama's "momentum theory" an embarrassing blow.

"Today's job report confirms what most Americans already know: We still have a long way to go and a lot of work to do to give people the security and opportunity that they deserve," Obama said in brief remarks in the White House Rose Garden. "Our economy as a whole just isn't producing nearly enough jobs for everybody who's looking.

"We've always known that we'd have ups and downs on our way back from this recession."

He noted the jobs market has faced "some tough headwinds," including soaring gas prices, natural disasters like fires and floods, the Greek financial crisis and state and local budget cuts costing tens of thousands of public service workers their livelihoods.

Nervous White House political strategists privately agree with their Republican critics - Obama is running out of time to get the economy humming to avoid becoming a one-term President.

Even Democratic optimists recognize Obama will defy history if he's reelected with this struggling economy.

No incumbent President since Franklin D. Roosevelt has ever won another term with unemployment higher than 7.2% - and Obama's economic gurus believe the jobless figure will remain north of 8% by Election Day next year.

Republicans pounced on Obama yesterday, claiming ordinary Americans have been turned off by his assertion last month that poor monthly job numbers are "bumps on the road to recovery."

"It's like nails on a chalkboard to them," GOP strategist Ed Gillespie said of Obama's rhetoric.

White House press secretary Jay Carney acknowledged the June numbers were "disappointing," but added they underscore "the urgency of the moment" as Obama and congressional leaders try to hammer out a budget deal.

Obama and the eight bipartisan leaders meet at the White House again tomorrow for high-stakes negotiations.

tdefrank@nydailynews.com

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...l#ixzz1RcvriHMW
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 07/12/11 03:21 AM

Mr. Warmth is on the offensive!

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/09/11 04:37 PM

I wish my kids were still small, so I could use this picture as a parenting tool.

"If you don't behave, Michele Bachmann will come over and dress up as a clown for your birthday."

Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/09/11 04:44 PM

Naw, she's not a witch....
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Election 2012 - 08/09/11 09:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Naw, she's not a witch....


Does she go to the same hairdresser as Nancy Pelosi?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/09/11 09:20 PM

Now I know who to go as to the Halloween party.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 08/18/11 03:26 AM

The Michele Bachmann staffer arrested for alleged terrorism

Quote:
A Michele Bachmann staffer who helped her win the Ames Straw Poll in Iowa Saturday was charged with terrorism in Uganda after being arrested for possession of assault rifles and ammunition in February 2006.

Peter E. Waldron spent 37 days in the Luriza Prison outside Kampala, where he says he was tortured, after being arrested along with six Congolese and Ugandan nationals for the weapons, which were described variously in news reports as having been found in his bedroom or a closet in his home.
The charges, which could have led to life in prison, were dropped in March 2006 after a pressure campaign by Waldron's friends and colleagues and what Waldron says was the intervention of the Bush administration.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ism-Africa.html
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/18/11 04:02 AM

On Greta, Rick Santorum criticized Perry for his statement that if Bernanke printed more currency that he woild be guilty of treason. Republicans are beginning to devour each other. Dinner has been served.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 08/18/11 06:21 PM

George W. Bush and Karl Rove despise Perry, and I understand Bush said Perry was a "rube." Now that's saying something!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/18/11 06:24 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
George W. Bush and Karl Rove despise Perry, and I understand Bush said Perry was a "rube." Now that's saying something!

Perry is probably a little smarter than Dubya, but he's a MUCH bigger religious zealot, which makes him ten times more dangerous (in my opinion).
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/18/11 06:57 PM

I wonder which Republican will be the first to bring up Perry's February 2007 Executive Order that compelled all 12 year old girls in Texas to vaccinated against the papiloma virus. That order stirred up a huge reaction in Texas and was subsequently countered by a Texas Legislature statute.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 08/18/11 08:51 PM

He has since come out and said that the order was a mistake - not because he thought it was wrong, but because he underestimated the opposition to the order.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Election 2012 - 08/19/11 01:09 AM

As a voter I feel like the current system ensures that whoever runs and has any shot at all at winning will never represent most Americans. Politicians are rich people looking to get themselves and their rich friends even richer.

They will never do something that is in the best interests of the people if it goes against giant corporations that donate money to everyone. Corporations and greed run this country.

It's all so fucked I'd vote for Ron Paul just to see him blow it up.

Ron Paul has no chance to win, he's even ignored by his own party, but he is one of the few who sticks with his values whatever the consequences, and so he gets a rare thing for a politician to have in my eyes. Respect.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/19/11 01:25 AM

Speaking of Ron Paul, it's interesting how the media is totally ignoring the fact that Paul came in a very close second (like 150-250 votes or something) to Bachman in the Iowa Straw poll. The Media does NOT want him. Not to say I'd vote for him but he does have a strong and loyal following but his virtual tie with Bachman is totally ignored. Why not at least acknowledge he did well at least in Iowa. confused


TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 08/19/11 01:31 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Speaking of Ron Paul, it's interesting how the media is totally ignoring the fact that Paul came in a very close second (like 150-250 votes or something) to Bachman in the Iowa Straw poll. The Media does NOT want him. Not to say I'd vote for him but he does have a strong and loyal following but his virtual tie with Bachman is totally ignored. Why not at least acknowledge he did well at least in Iowa. confused


TIS


out of everybody, i believe that ron paul is the sanest one. fox news can't back somebody like that.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Election 2012 - 08/19/11 01:35 AM

Ron Paul is an example of where I don't believe in all of his ideas but I believe in the person.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/19/11 01:40 AM

Yea Bam, it seems total nutjob is an absolutely required quality in this election cycle. lol

Last week pundits talking and discussing Bachman's win, the Right lamented Pawlenty's poor showing dropping out but never mentioned how close Paul came in. LOL

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/19/11 02:02 AM

TIS, the straw pole only drew about 17k voters and is only prepatory to the caucuses which will draw upward of a 100k. Paul received over 4k votes.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/19/11 02:06 AM

Oli,

Thanks, I had forgotten the exact number the Iowas Straw Poll drew. I know it's not the "end all" poll and really doesn't mean too much. Still the media treated it as though it was "all that." I still think they ignored Paul. Don't get me wrong, I am not a Paul supporter lol Just saying.....


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/19/11 11:42 PM

Rick Perry may run out of rope by the Republican primaries since the Texas unemployment rate has increased to 8.4%
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/11 01:11 AM

Rick Perry's Porn Problem

Quote:
Here's an interesting tidbit from Rick Perry's past to keep an eye on. In the mid-1990s, the presidential candidate owned stock in a video rental store chain whose hardcore porn offerings drew the ire of conservative groups, according to a 2006 report on a liberal Texas blog. That item was resurrected by several liberal websites this week.

Burnt Orange Report, a site founded by a Democratic activist, reported in 2006 that Perry's 1995 financial disclosure showed he owned between $5,000 and $10,000 in stock in the company Movie Gallery. He was at the time state commissioner of agriculture.

Why is that significant? Because the now-defunct Movie Gallery, once a competitor to Blockbuster, was known for offering XXX porn rentals along with conventional Hollywood fare. (FireDogLake offers a useful sampling of titles here.)

Ironically, it was the social conservative crusaders at the American Family Association -- the very group that helped organize Perry's stadium prayer rally this month -- who spent years on an anti-porn campaign targeting Movie Gallery. AFA was actively targeting Movie Gallery both before and after Perry owned the stock; at one protest event outside Movie Gallery's Alabama headquarters in 2000, AFA members held signs reading "Serve God or Serve Money," "Pornography hurts families," and "Porn dishonors mothers."


http://www.salon.com/news/2012_elections/?story=/politics/war_room/2011/08/19/rick_perry_porn
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/11 02:24 AM

Why should this matter to anyone? Did the company do anything illegal? Did they distribute kiddie porn? No laws were broken? Then why should this matter?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/11 11:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Why should this matter to anyone? Did the company do anything illegal? Did they distribute kiddie porn? No laws were broken? Then why should this matter?


It's pure mudslinging.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/11 03:36 PM

Wow Perry is a hippocrite. How unusual for a politician.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/11 03:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Why should this matter to anyone? Did the company do anything illegal? Did they distribute kiddie porn? No laws were broken? Then why should this matter?


It wouldn't matter at all, unless the person that stood to benefit from the ownership stake in a store that dealt in pornography was himself a self proclaimed spokesman for family values. Is Mr. Perry such a man? If so, then it matters since it shows that he is a hypocrite.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/11 04:29 PM

But it was several years ago, wasn't it?? Maybe he's a different person now. Maybe he changed his mind. I'm not saying he's not a hypocrite. Maybe he thought porn was swell as long as he was making money off it, but when he became a politician he sold his shares in this video company and became holier than thou. I mean, weren't many of the politicians calling for Clinton's head over the Lewinsky scandal found to have had affairs of their own??

As DT said, it wouldn't exactly be unusual for politicians to be hypocritical.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/11 04:35 PM

Could he be a different man now? Of course. But whether it's pornography or not, we are still talking about corruption. It was only in 2007 that he issued a spurious executive order to force 12 year old girls to be vaccinated against the papiloma virus. Now, why would he do such a thing? The answer is corrupted morals. The vaccine was manufactured by Merck which had contributed huge amounts to his reelection campaign and which hired his chief of staff and his mother in law.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/11 04:37 PM

Oli, living in Texas, you know far more about him than I would. Sounds like a swell guy. rolleyes
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/25/11 07:06 PM

(CNN) – Karl Rove accused Sarah Palin of "thin skin" over a message from her political action committee criticizing the speculation surrounding her presidential intentions.

"It is a sign of enormous thin skin if we speculate about her, she gets upset, and I suspect if we didn't speculate about her, she'd be upset and trying to find a way to get us to speculate about her," Rove said Wednesday night of Fox News.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Election 2012 - 08/25/11 10:23 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I wish my kids were still small, so I could use this picture as a parenting tool.

"If you don't behave, Michele Bachmann will come over and dress up as a clown for your birthday."




http://www.sadanduseless.com/2011/08/michele-bachmanns-eyes-everywhere/

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/26/11 01:59 AM

OMG is that ever creepy!! eek LOL

On another humorous note:

The GOP...adopted a bill to rename the fault that runs under the Capital. It will now be known as Obama's Fault lol


TIS
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 08/26/11 06:05 PM

Irene offers Obama a God-given chance to assert visible leadership—the lack of which is causing him such bad notices. He could announce he’s cutting his vacation short to “take command”; establish a “situation room;” have himself photographed or videoed in shirtsleeves, galvanizing his team, calling governors and mayors to offer help, getting updates from meteorologists with a weather map in the background; give periodic updates on what our government is doing to help. In other words, do the things W didn’t do during Katrina.

But did he do it? Of course not! He issued a “brief statement” from the Vineyard, advising Americans to “take precautions.” And he delegated leadership to Janet (“the system worked perfectly”) Napolitano, who probably has even less credibility than he does. He’ll stay put on the Vineyard—it’s his vacation until after Labor Day, you know. And, never mind that Irene could keep him and his entourage bottled up on the Vineyard until after it blows over, making our Commander in Chief incommunicado, and even putting him in physical danger.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/26/11 06:45 PM

ABC News' Stephanie Z. Smith reports from Martha's Vineyard:

President Obama will end his vacation tonight, one day earlier than originally planned, White House officials said.

The president thought it would “be more prudent for him to be in Washinton, D.C., and at the White House,” deputy press secretary Josh Earnest told reporters.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 08/26/11 06:58 PM

Good move
Posted By: Don Cardi

Re: Election 2012 - 08/27/11 02:13 AM


Maybe they should run on the same ticket! lol



Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


On another humorous note:

The GOP...adopted a bill to rename the fault that runs under the Capital. It will now be known as Obama's Fault lol


TIS


That bill will never pass because no matter what, it will always be Bush's Fault! wink




Originally Posted By: olivant


President Obama will end his vacation tonight, one day earlier than originally planned, White House officials said.

The president thought it would “be more prudent for him to be in Washinton, D.C., and at the White House,” deputy press secretary Josh Earnest told reporters.



Or perhaps the President thought that it would be more prudent to get his ass out of there before the area was hit by the bad weather heading in that direction! lol


Though Martha's Vineyard was in Irene's path, Obama's decision to return to Washington Friday night, instead of Saturday as planned, was not made out of worry about his personal safety. - Associated Press

whistle wink

Hey, I wonder if he and the first lady will be taking TWO separate jets back to Washington...as they did when heading up to vacation at Martha's Vinyard?
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 08/27/11 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
ABC News' Stephanie Z. Smith reports from Martha's Vineyard:

President Obama will end his vacation tonight, one day earlier than originally planned, White House officials said.

The president thought it would “be more prudent for him to be in Washinton, D.C., and at the White House,” deputy press secretary Josh Earnest told reporters.

He saw my post above and realized I was right. lol
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 08/27/11 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull

He saw my post above and realized I was right. lol


Perhaps the time is right for:

TURNBULL IN 2012

"Turnbull is a good man!"



Works for me. If we live through the hurricane, we may have to start a "Draft Turnbull" campaign. wink

Signor V.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Election 2012 - 08/27/11 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Cardi


Hey, I wonder if he and the first lady will be taking TWO separate jets back to Washington...as they did when heading up to vacation at Martha's Vinyard?


Just like every single president has traveled since Air Force One was put into place? Probably.
Posted By: Don Cardi

Re: Election 2012 - 08/27/11 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
Originally Posted By: Don Cardi


Hey, I wonder if he and the first lady will be taking TWO separate jets back to Washington...as they did when heading up to vacation at Martha's Vinyard?


Just like every single president has traveled since Air Force One was put into place? Probably.


Hmmm, I don't doubt that it has happened in the past where on occasion the president and the first lady took separate planes to the same destinations.

But in a time where oil prices are skyrocketing, energy prices are through the roof, the economy is in the shitter, and the government is trying every which way to come up with a plan to get us back on the right track, I think that our President and his first lady could have been a bit more mindful and fiscally responsible in making the decision to travel separately to the same destination for a vacation.

Not bashing them, not saying that they are the only ones to ever do it. Just making an observation and giving my opinion as to what transpired with taxpayer money during a time when this country, our government and it's people are hurting financially.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/11 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

Hmmm, I don't doubt that it has happened in the past where on occasion the president and the first lady took separate planes to the same destinations.

But in a time where oil prices are skyrocketing, energy prices are through the roof, the economy is in the shitter, and the government is trying every which way to come up with a plan to get us back on the right track, I think that our President and his first lady could have been a bit more mindful and fiscally responsible in making the decision to travel separately to the same destination for a vacation.

Not bashing them, not saying that they are the only ones to ever do it. Just making an observation and giving my opinion as to what transpired with taxpayer money during a time when this country, our government and it's people are hurting financially.


No matter how much oil prices rise I don't think that would ever change because of security precautions and secret service procedures and so on.

Just imagine how much money got blown up with that helicopter Seal Team 6 exploded in Pakistan.

Even more money in federal bailouts to large banks who were responsible for their banks failing and dragging the economy down with them. If you took that money and split it between 311 million people everyone would get about $2250. If you distributed it to the poorest 75% of those 311 million people you get 233,250,000 people getting $3000 each. I bet that would "stimulate the economy" better than $300. Maybe 10 times better.

How much money do big corporations and the elite rich get to keep with their tax breaks instead of paying up like the rest of us?

There's more examples than I could ever think of or type out here...

Basically, as far as saving money or raising money or not wasting money there are many different examples to use instead of something that every single president does.



If you want to bash Obama you should look at the BAFTE's Fast And Furious operation and how badly that was mismanaged and the people responsible just get reassigned instead of fired like they deserve for causing the deaths of many people, including our Border Patrol officers.

And I'm sure there's tons of other things you could use to bash Obama too, but something tangible that is actually his fault goes a lot farther than something that doesn't make him any different than any other president or is out of his control.
Posted By: Don Cardi

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/11 01:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

Not bashing them, not saying that they are the only ones to ever do it. Just making an observation.


Originally Posted By: Longneck


If you want to bash Obama you should look at the.......
And I'm sure there's tons of other things you could use to bash Obama too...



uhwhat WTF?
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/11 02:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

Not bashing them, not saying that they are the only ones to ever do it. Just making an observation.


Originally Posted By: Longneck


If you want to bash Obama you should look at the.......
And I'm sure there's tons of other things you could use to bash Obama too...



uhwhat WTF?




Should I edit it so bash says "observe" instead?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/11 10:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

But in a time where oil prices are skyrocketing, energy prices are through the roof, the economy is in the shitter, and the government is trying every which way to come up with a plan to get us back on the right track, I think that our President and his first lady could have been a bit more mindful and fiscally responsible in making the decision to travel separately to the same destination for a vacation.


How about we save some more money and put the VP on the same plane with the POTUS?

Believe it or not blue collar, the Secret Service sorta know what they're doing sometimes.

Quote:

Not bashing them, not saying that they are the only ones to ever do it. Just making an observation and giving my opinion as to what transpired with taxpayer money during a time when this country, our government and it's people are hurting financially.


"...and this is when the mighty paper tiger pounces on his prey! Look at him tear through that gazelle!"
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/11 10:38 PM

So, President Obama wants to speak to a joint session of Congress on the 7th regarding his new push for jobs. Now, the time he requested was at 8pm - the same time as the next GOP debate.

So what does Speaker Boehner do? Request THE PRESIDENT to reschedule.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/11 12:05 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
So, President Obama wants to speak to a joint session of Congress on the 7th regarding his new push for jobs. Now, the time he requested was at 8pm - the same time as the next GOP debate.

So what does Speaker Boehner do? Request THE PRESIDENT to reschedule.



he should tell them to screw off
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/11 01:44 PM

He should make it from the ovl office. If he goes small on this and doesn't play hardball, he's going to change his first name to Jimmy.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/11 11:39 PM

If you let them push you around on the little things...
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 09/02/11 01:08 AM

...the next thing you know they'll have you jumping through hoops. panic

Signor V.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Election 2012 - 09/02/11 02:13 AM

Seems like the meeting was more to ruffle feathers than actually wanting to meet at that specific time. Obama wouldn't schedule a joint session during the NFL kickoff game!
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/11 03:48 AM

msnbc.com news services updated 9/6/2011

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Republican presidential contender Michele Bachmann lost her campaign chief Monday, along with his close deputy, in a campaign shake-up that the Minnesota congresswoman's aides sought to downplay.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/11 02:20 PM

Looking more and more like the GOP will nominate either Perry or Romney. Could they run as a ticket?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/11 02:29 PM

Perry frightens me. There was an interesting editorial in The Philadelphia Inquirer stating that the Republicans need to pull closer to the center than the right in order to win the independent voters. Instead, they seem to be dialing up the crazy talk, making the following points:

• Declaring that evolution is "just a theory that's out there."

• Insisting that the scientific consensus on climate change is "all one contrived phony mess that is falling apart under its own weight."

• Decreeing that revenue increases of any kind are unacceptable under any and all circumstances, and signing a pledge to that effect.

• Promising to fill all key Cabinet and executive jobs with foes of abortion, and signing a pledge to that effect.

• Asserting that "it's time for us to just hand (America) over to God and say, 'God, you're going to have to fix this.' "

• Announcing in a book that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional and should be scrapped.

• Contending that gay Americans are "part of Satan."

• Dissing the Bush-appointed Federal Reserve chairman as "treasonous."

• Insinuating (yet again) that Obama is insufficiently American and insufficiently in love with America.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/11 03:11 PM

Perry's nuts. If they nominate him, my decision gets that much easier. And while President Obama has been a disappointment to me, if the Republicans nominate one of the crazies Obama will get my vote again.

I'm a practicing Catholic/Christian. That said, I'd never, EVER vote for a religious zealot like Perry. The extreme Christians are as hateful as any other extremist group. They're no more truly Christian than the 9/11 hijackers were truly Muslim.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/11 05:22 PM

Amen PB.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/11 05:37 PM

PB

Ditto here too! Perfectly put. smile

Btw, I surely can't be the only one who thinks of "W" when I hear Perry speak? (I'd better shut up or I'll go on a rampage.) lol

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/11 05:38 PM

While President Obama has been a little too "let's all sit around the campfire, hold hands and sing Kumbaya together" for my taste, there are worse things.

The article detailed the success of the Reagan campaign, and how abortion and homosexuality weren't even mentioned. Was that more a sign of the times, or a shrewd campaign strategy?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 03:11 PM

Now keep in mind that this was written by über righty douchebag John Podhoretz of the NY Post, but it seems Perry got very high marks for last night's debate.

A national Republican star is born

John Podhoretz, New York Post

Anyone hoping or fearing that Rick Perry would crash and burn in his first GOP debate last night can either feel depressed or rest easy.

In his debut on the national stage, Perry proved he possesses a somewhat indefinable star quality -- exactly what Republicans were distressed to feel was missing from the field.

That quality emanated from him even when he struggled with difficult questions about his views on climate change and Social Security that present complex electoral challenges for him and his party in a national race. He knew when to speak strongly and when to underplay.


At the outset, he delivered a strong jab to Mitt Romney’s job-creation record in Massachusetts quietly and offhandedly -- his almost diffident demeanor serving as cover for the shiv he was sticking in his rival.

But he was unhesitating when asked by Brian Williams at the end if he lost sleep over the number of people executed in Texas. Perry said plainly that those charged with capital crimes go through the legal process, their cases then go through an appellate process all the way to the Supreme Court -- and if all of that stands, the message is that if you kill a child or a police officer, you will face the ultimate justice.

It was a perfect answer.

What was not a perfect answer was his reply to the gotcha question from John Harris of Politico about which specific scientists he had consulted on the question of whether global warming was man-made. He repeated the contention that the science was not settled, but in speaking on the issue, he looked lost and angry.

More important is that Perry’s entire political rationale is that he is the guy who can get the country’s economy growing again. And said (ineloquently) last night is that the demands of the global-warming crowd make that task all but impossible. And that is unquestionably true.

The real controversy arose from his decision not to run from the attack he launched on Social Security in his 2010 book “Fed Up,” but rather to say that politicians need to be honest about the Ponzi-scheme nature of the old-age pension system.

Romney immediately responded: “You can’t say that” about a system on which so many people depend. Perry answered that it is a Ponzi scheme and we have to stop lying to people in their 20s that all the money they are paying into the system will be there when they retire.

He’s right -- it is a Ponzi scheme. The challenge for Romney now will be making the case to primary voters that it will be fatal for the GOP’s shot at denying Barack Obama a second term to have a candidate who calls it a Ponzi scheme. He’ll have a strong case to make.

But there is something striking in the contrast between the two men. Romney looks like a casting director’s idea of a president, and after running for the office for four years solid now, he has an enviable fluency and command of the stage.

Alas for him, there’s a reason he was unable to solidify his own status as a front-runner: He just doesn’t seem to have “it” -- that elusive quality populist politicians who find a connection with ordinary voters seem to possess.

Whatever his failings, and they may well be vast, Perry does have “it.” In terms of sheer presence, he diminished Romney and everybody else on stage last night -- and he left Michele Bachmann, his only real rival for the Tea Party vote, in the dust.

From here on in, it’s just Perry and Romney. There’s little point in having anyone else on that stage any longer except as comic relief.

jpodhoretz@gmail.com

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/na...M#ixzz1XNFnOEvB
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 03:35 PM

What this author did not comment on was Perry's tame answer to the question about ordering the vaccination of 12 year girls against the papiloma virus. Eventually, someone is going to pin him on it.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 03:37 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
What this author did not comment on was Perry's tame answer to the question about ordering the vaccination of 12 year girls against the papiloma virus. Eventually, someone is going to pin him on it.

Absolutely right, Oli. What I was pointing out by calling John Podhoretz a douchebag tongue , is that the guy's column is far from unbiased.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 04:42 PM

Perry vs. Paul: A Texas-sized war - Off-camera confrontation captures tension

The scrap between Rick Perry and Mitt Romney may have gotten more attention in Wednesday’s presidential candidates debate, but it was tame compared to the dust-up between Mr. Perry and Rep. Ron Paul, two Texans who apparently have spent plenty of time digging up dirt on each other and aren’t afraid to use it.

At one point when the video cameras weren’t rolling — though the incident was caught by still photographers — Mr. Perry walked over Mr. Paul’s lectern, took hold of the congressman’s wrist and wagged his finger at him.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 04:44 PM

Two Texas sized egos in the same race. They'll end up tearing the (Tea) party apart.

Looks like Bachmann is the big loser in this thing.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Two Texas sized egos in the same race. They'll end up tearing the (Tea) party apart.

Looks like Bachmann is the big loser in this thing.



No, the American People seem to be.
God- please send us someone that can fix all this mess!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Two Texas sized egos in the same race. They'll end up tearing the (Tea) party apart.

Looks like Bachmann is the big loser in this thing.


No, the American People seem to be.

Well, in a sense I think you're right, because Obama has been disappointing. But if the best the Republicans can do is nominate extremists like Perry or Bachmann, we're better off with the status quo until 2016.

Republicans like Reagan only come along once in a lifetime. And right now they don't have a candidate who can stand in Reagan's shadow.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 07:25 PM

would anybody be fine with romney as the republican choice to face off against obama?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 07:41 PM

There is no way in hell that any candidate who tries (or even implies)to eliminate Social Security will EVER be President. If Perry wins the nomination, he just made the Dems political ads for them. Perry didn't back down so I doubt he'll backtrack. I would guess the Dems would be hoping he'll be the winner. smile

I did watch the whole debate and it was actually between Romney and Perry (as the media was hoping for). Huntsman, although he'll be dropping out soon IMHO, did better in this debate than the first. Bachman is on her way out with her brief climb to the top done. Cain, Gingrich weren't impressive and Poor Ron Paul. lol I really think he's more popular than the media gives him credit for. I know he has a devoted loyal base. He seems never be taken seriously.

IF we had to have a President only from those that debated last night, and I HAD to choose (or die) lol As much as I am not a fan of his, I'd have to go with Romney. That being said, and trying to be fair, I'd want to hear Huntsman more, but I do think he's done as well.

TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 07:45 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
There is no way in hell that any candidate who tries (or even implies)to eliminate Social Security will EVER be President. If Perry wins the nomination, he just made the Dems political ads for them. Perry didn't back down so I doubt he'll backtrack. I would guess the Dems would be hoping he'll be the winner. smile

I did watch the whole debate and it was actually between Romney and Perry (as the media was hoping for). Huntsman, although he'll be dropping out soon IMHO, did better in this debate than the first. Bachman is on her way out with her brief climb to the top done. Cain, Gingrich weren't impressive and Poor Ron Paul. lol I really think he's more popular than the media gives him credit for. I know he has a devoted loyal base. He seems never be taken seriously.

IF we had to have a President only from those that debated last night, and I HAD to choose (or die) lol As much as I am not a fan of his, I'd have to go with Romney. That being said, and trying to be fair, I'd want to hear Huntsman more, but I do think he's done as well.

TIS


i really hope romney wins just because i have the fear that this country will vote obama out just because nothing is working. pretty much what they did to the house a year or two ago.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 07:47 PM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
i really hope romney wins just because i have the fear that this country will vote obama out just because nothing is working. pretty much what they did to the house a year or two ago.

Perry calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme will eventually do him in. The guy is fucking crazy.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 08:00 PM

Romney and Huntsman are the only two Republicans worth a look.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Romney and Huntsman are the only two Republicans worth a look.

They're the only two who don't belong in the zoo.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 08:11 PM

Oh, and I hear commentators say that since Romney is Mormon, he is unelectable. You think that's so? confused Now, I know very little about Mormonism but it's always been my opinion that as long as someone doesn't force his/her religion and/or beliefs on me, I'm ok with whatever faith they are.

I suppose, being Catholic, and remembering how the fact that JFK who was also Catholic, drew such criticism that got blown way out of proportion, makes me double think criticism. You can worship who and whatever you want. I won't force my beliefs on you, and you don't force yours on me.

Reflecting back to 1960, when I was a kid riding my bike down the street, a couple neighborhood kids (knowing I was Catholic) came up to me and started talking trash about JFK and that "The Pope was going to actually run the country cause JFK would do what the church told him to." So totally totally off base. It was so out of hand. rolleyes

Anyway, as far as religion goes and Romney, do you all think it really is or should be a factor? confused

TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 08:15 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Oh, and I hear commentators say that since Romney is Mormon, he is unelectable. You think that's so?

Anyway, as far as religion goes and Romney, do you all think it really is or should be a factor? confused

Tis,

That may have been true in years past, but we now have a BLACK President, so I think ethnicity or religion holding someone back is a thing of the past.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 08:26 PM

I think a Mormon is electable. I do not think a Scientologist
or a Muslim would be, nor do I think an aethiest be electable.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 08:27 PM

Another interesting thing to ponder. Would an atheist President bother anyone??? Offhand, I say no as long as everyone else can continue to worship as they wish. Then I think BUT.....what if he/she wanted to get rid of "In God We Trust" on our currency or what about the Pledge of Allegiance (On nation under God)???? I admit, that would bother me. Am I alone? confused


Simply food for thought. wink

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/11 08:44 PM

Well, if those two wants of his were expressed during his campaign, then he would not win.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/09/11 12:46 PM

They inserted "under God" in the pledge in the 1950's. It had something to do with distinguishing ourselves from the Communists wh were proud aethiests.

Personally I am notparticularly a fan of the pledge. I have no allegiance to the flag. My allegiance is "to the republic for which it stands, one nation (under God) indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Makes me wonder about Rick Perry secessionist talk. Does he say the plege?
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 09/09/11 06:53 PM

A muslim president would bother me big time. Our country is based on one nation under God not allah. I wouldn't vote for a atheiest either. But that's just me.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/09/11 09:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
A muslim president would bother me big time. Our country is based on one nation under God not allah. I wouldn't vote for a atheiest either. But that's just me.


Then would you have voted for Benjamin Franklin if you had the oppotunity since he usually referred to Providence or Destiny instead of God? In addition, would you otherwise vote for an Orthodox Jew who still refer to God as Yahweh?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/09/11 10:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
A muslim president would bother me big time. Our country is based on one nation under God not allah. I wouldn't vote for a atheiest either. But that's just me.


Really? A Muslim would bother you? Specifically because they believe in Allah? Or an atheist because they don't believe in any god??

As DT pointed out, there is no nation under God. The original pledge did not have the word God. It was one nation, indivisible. The founding fathers made sure that there was separation of church and state. They came here seeking religious freedom because they had been oppressed.

Who are we to point fingers at whose religion is acceptable? Just as JFK's Catholicism or Romney's Mormonism shouldn't be an issue. The only issue is extremism, when a person's beliefs cloud there ability to think. That bothers me. Not much else about a person's religious beliefs do.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/11 04:49 PM

The number of Americans who have fallen into poverty rose to 15.1 percent in 2010, the highest level in nearly two decades, the Census Bureau said Tuesday in a report.

The report, which showed the poverty rate rose for a third straight year as the economy struggles with a stumbling recovery and persistent high joblessness, said the number of poor Americans in 2010 was the largest in the 52 years that it has been publishing poverty estimates, according to Reuters.

There were 46.2 million people in poverty in 2010, up from 43.6 million in 2009 ─ the fourth consecutive annual increase in the figure.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/11 05:35 PM

We've been heading to a have-have not society for a long time now, and the middle class is disappearing. Not a good thing for anyone of any political stripe.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/11 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
A muslim president would bother me big time. Our country is based on one nation under God not allah. I wouldn't vote for a atheiest either. But that's just me.


What about a Buddhist or a Hindu?

I think Mig is probably speaking for the majority of the country in saying she would not vote for a Muslim for president.

Watching the 9/11 rembrances Sunday it amazed me that the name of the man who succeeded George Bush is Barack Hussein Obama. He is not a muslim, but it is a muslim name, so thats saying something.

I have no doubt Bush was a true believer in Christianity, but I am not so sure about presidents like Reagan and Obama, who pay lip service to it almost because they have to. Reagan almost never went to church on sunday and neither does Obama.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/11 05:46 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Reagan almost never went to church on sunday ...


That's because Reagan thought he was God.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/11 07:22 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Reagan almost never went to church on sunday ...


That's because Reagan thought he was God.


You'd think it was the other way around the way they deify him these days.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/11 07:33 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
[quote=Mignon]Watching the 9/11 rembrances Sunday it amazed me that the name of the man who succeeded George Bush is Barack Hussein Obama. He is not a muslim, but it is a muslim name, so thats saying something.



Whoa! What's a Muslim name? How is a name's religious affiliation determined? Sammy Davis, Jr. was born to Catholic/Protestant parents and then converted to Judaism. Given his first name, do you figure he was bringing his religion in line with that name?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/11 07:39 PM

Yeah, I think Don T meant to say Arabic name.

From Wikipedia:

Hussein is an Arabic name which is the diminutive of Hassan, meaning "good", "handsome" or "beautiful". It is commonly given as a male given name, particularly among Shias, in honor of Hussein ibn Ali. In some Persian sources the forms osayn, Hosayn, or Hossein is used.On the Subcontinent or South Asia, the form used is "Hussain" or "Hossain" in the Bengal region.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/11 07:59 PM

Still PB, even if he meant an Arabic name, what's the point? Both my first name and my middle name and my last name are those there Mafia names. Uh oh! People better watch out for me.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 12:01 AM

Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Both my first name and my middle name and my last name are those there Mafia names. Uh oh! People better watch out for me.


jimmy gabriel siegelbaum?
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo


ron paul would kick his ass
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 12:59 AM

Perry made sure he had hold of Paul's gun hand.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 01:11 AM

Oli, I know you've mentioned Perry and his mandate about vaccinating 12 year old girls. What did you think of his response to Bachmann last night?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 01:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Oli, I know you've mentioned Perry and his mandate about vaccinating 12 year old girls. What did you think of his response to Bachmann last night?


I think it was disingenuous. He used the term "we" as if his decision to issue the related executive order was a collective decision of some sort. He also stated that it could have been handled better. First of all, he issued the executive order, not anyone else. As far as handling it goes, it's like "duh!", how about asking the Legislature to pass a law to accomplish the same thing. He's a crook. The "we" he referred to is he and Merck.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 02:51 PM

In what could be a harbinger of next year's election, Republicans won House special electons in New York and Nevada. The New York victory was surprising since it took place in a heavily Democratic district.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 03:10 PM

Its been 92 years since a Republican won that seat in NY, I understand.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 03:30 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
In what could be a harbinger of next year's election, Republicans won House special electons in New York and Nevada. The New York victory was surprising since it took place in a heavily Democratic district.


It certainly didn't help the Democrats that the reason for the New York election was an erection.... Anthony Weiner.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 03:32 PM

I don't quite understand this but I thought I read that that particular area was going to be "redistricted" and will not be primarily Dem anymore. Don't quite understand it. confused


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 03:57 PM

It is TIS, but that won't take effect until the 2012 election.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 04:41 PM

How could a Democratic Governor and legislature redraw district lines to allow for a GOP seat? Do they have Fredo doing the gerrymandering?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
How could a Democratic Governor and legislature redraw district lines to allow for a GOP seat? Do they have Fredo doing the gerrymandering?


Well, the redristrict doesn't apply until next year's election.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 05:13 PM

I doubt the redistricting has anything to do with it. Queens is probably the biggest "melting pot" of ethnicities in the entire country, and it's residents, as a whole, are overwhelmingly Democrats. A Democrat shouldn't have lost in ANY Queens district, let alone Forest Hills.

My job took me to that area constantly. I was a union rep for the funeral directors at a chapel on Queens Boulevard, just off Union Turnpike. I know the area and the people well, and I'm absolutely SHOCKED about this. I didn't even put stock in any of the polls that had Weprin trailing. I thought it was a lot of hot air. But I was wrong.

I'm not sure if this is a harbinger for Obama, but it's definitely a warning, at the very least.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 05:32 PM

Again, be sure to understand redistricting. The President provided the Congress and state legislatures with the 2010 census data in January. Although not yet necessary, state legislatures should have redistricted by now or be well on their way to doing so. The new district lines should be avaialble to voters starting early next year for the primaries and ultimately the general election in November. However, House members elected from the new districts will not take office until 2013.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 05:36 PM

I understand that, Oli. And I really do appreciate the way you take the time to put things in layman's terms for those of us who aren't as well acquainted with Federal Law as you are. And I mean that smile.

But unless they just redistricted the Borough of Queens to include Texas, there's just no way a Republican should have won that seat.
Posted By: mustachepete

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/11 07:39 PM

The 9th District election is going to be a big problem for the President. It's going to be hard to raise money from the wealthy liberals in New York now that they've had this shock so close to home.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/11 03:00 PM

Only a 17% turnout.

People, the election is more than a year away. That's an eternity in politics. Last January the pundits said Obama was unbeatable. Now they say he can't win. That'll change a few more times in the next 14 months.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/11 04:32 PM

True DT, but that's a heavily Jewish district in from Obama received almost 80% of the Jewish vote in '08. However, the district only generated 55% of its vote for him in '08. The trend is of concern.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/11 05:18 PM

Point taken Oli....The Jewish vote might be problematic for Obama because the GOP candidate whoever it is will take a stronger pro-Isreal position, and/or paint Obama as not strongly for Israel.

Obama's main problem (like many Dems) is he is allowing the GOP to create a caricature of him that is widely believed to be an actual picture.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/11 05:21 PM

Well, as I posted in another thread, this Solyndra scadal bothers me and if it's shown that he played a part in it, then I may just not support him next time around. Caricatures can represent reality.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/11 05:23 PM

Lots of Americans--Jews and non-Jews--voted Dem in '06 and '08 because they were fed up with the domestic and international policies of Bush and his GOP Congress. Lots of Americans--Jews and non-Jews--voted GOP in '10, and will probably do it again in '12,because they're fed up with the domestic and international policies of Obama and his Dem Congress (latterly Senate). Israel is only one of the many items in that mix.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/16/11 01:32 AM

I am sick to death of all this. The president wasted too much time and political capital on healthcare when he should have been concentrating on the economy.

He did have some economic programs that were quite successful, but they were not enough. His Clunkers for Cash program succeeded beyond the wildest expectations. Also, the tax credits for people who bought houses increased home sales during their existence. I'm sure the hope was that the trend would continue, that the programs would be the necessary jumpstart, but they weren't. They died out.

The Republicans can't have their cake and eat it, too. They can't complain that the president doesn't do anything, and then fight him tooth and nail when he tries to do something.

As for whether Obama can be re-elected, Dick Cheney was on "The View" this week, and he said the current Republican candidates and their strategies would not be able to beat him in 2012. And I agree. The more they run to the right, the further they alienate moderates and anyone that would consider voting outside party lines.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/16/11 01:50 AM

The latest polls show that Obama can beat any of the Republican candidates now. With the exception of Romney, it's a weak filed.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/16/11 01:48 PM

WHich polls Oli? I hope he's leading that big, dumb Aggie.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/16/11 03:14 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
WHich polls Oli? I hope he's leading that big, dumb Aggie.


At this point he beats them all.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/16/11 07:28 PM

Re Michelle Bachman's remarks about the HPV vaccine and the woman she allegedly spoke with who told Bachman that her daughter had the vaccine and then suffered from retardation because of it. Anyone think it's odd that the woman, after all the controversy hasn't spoken up? Leads me to believe or wonder if Bachman made up the story. confused


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/16/11 07:44 PM

There are potential side effects, such as seizures, which could conceivably result in brain damage; however, I'm thinking they're rare. I don't agree that this vaccine should be forced onto 12 year olds, though.

Yes, the vaccine prevents a virus that can cause cancer, but the patient must be sexually active to contract that virus. What is Perry's stand on the mandated distribution of condoms? Or teaching about safe sex in schools? I would imagine that if a sexually active female used a condom, they would also prevent the virus.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/16/11 08:02 PM

Well I'm hearing doctors came out denying that it causes retardation as Bachman claimed. Although I really haven't heard much about potential side affects either. confused

I'd have to learn more, but I agree it shouldn't be forced and if my daughters' were younger and still getting immunizations I wouldn't totally rule out this shot as a precaution against cancer.

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/16/11 08:43 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Re Michelle Bachman's remarks about the HPV vaccine and the woman she allegedly spoke with who told Bachman that her daughter had the vaccine and then suffered from retardation because of it. Anyone think it's odd that the woman, after all the controversy hasn't spoken up? Leads me to believe or wonder if Bachman made up the story. confused


TIS


TIS, surf over to Politico.com to read a lengthy article about Bachman's verbal faux pas
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/16/11 08:57 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Re Michelle Bachman's remarks about the HPV vaccine and the woman she allegedly spoke with who told Bachman that her daughter had the vaccine and then suffered from retardation because of it. Anyone think it's odd that the woman, after all the controversy hasn't spoken up? Leads me to believe or wonder if Bachman made up the story. confused


TIS


TIS, surf over to Politico.com to read a lengthy article about Bachman's verbal faux pas




I rest my case lol

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63699.html


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 09/23/11 02:48 AM

an American soldier booed at the GOP debate. That probably is a first.

(Thank God I quit that insanity years ago.)
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/23/11 09:44 AM

By definition these debates are going to be slanted to appeal more to the Republican voter. I get that and have no problem with it.

But last night's version seemed to be slanted a bit too much. It will be interesting to see if and how the eventual nominee, assuming s/he was on the stage last night, pivots back to win independent voters.

And Gingrich should call it a day.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/23/11 02:11 PM

Can you imagine booing a soldier during the Bush years? My God, you couldn't say you were against the war without being accused of being unpatriotic. mad Remember that??

I agree Lilo, questions may have been chosen at random but were chosen from an entire "right" selection. (like the one about which Gov. Department would you eliminate if you had to pick one). The "Too much government" line.


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/25/11 12:00 AM

Orlando, Florida (CNN) - Texas Gov. Rick Perry's presidential campaign was dealt a worrying blow Saturday when he finished in a distant second place to businessman Herman Cain in a closely watched straw poll in Florida.
Cain won 37% of the 2,657 votes cast in the straw poll conducted at Presidency 5, a three-day convention sponsored by the Republican Party of Florida that brought thousands of party activists to Orlando.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 09/25/11 01:19 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Orlando, Florida (CNN) - Texas Gov. Rick Perry's presidential campaign was dealt a worrying blow Saturday when he finished in a distant second place to businessman Herman Cain in a closely watched straw poll in Florida.
Cain won 37% of the 2,657 votes cast in the straw poll conducted at Presidency 5, a three-day convention sponsored by the Republican Party of Florida that brought thousands of party activists to Orlando.


good to know that perry fucked him self over with his social seceraty views
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/25/11 03:46 PM

Did anyone catch SNL last night. I didn't see the entire show but it started right off with the Republican Debate with Alec Baldwin as Rick Perry. It was funny. lol



TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/25/11 04:03 PM

It was amusing. But, like so much that SNL does, it went on too long. Much of the time, I watch SNL just for the news with Seth.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/25/11 04:11 PM

Oli,

Sorry to say, I only saw the first part (the skit on the debate). I couldn't keep my eyes open. rolleyes I don't know any of the cast anymore since I really don't watch it on a regular basis.


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/11 05:02 PM

Why are Floridians even allowed to vote anymore? whistle

Florida likely to hold Jan. 31 primary, throwing 2012 calendar in flux

By Rachel Rose Hartman

Here's a little Christmas present from Florida.

State House Speaker Dean Cannon revealed to CNN Tuesday that officials are likely to choose Jan. 31 as the date for the state's 2012 presidential primary--in direct violation of Republican National Committee rules. Florida's decision will likely spur a land rush among other early voting states to move the timing of their own contests forward in an already front-loaded GOP primary schedule.

Cannon said the members of the state commission in charge of primary scheduling "are expecting to meet on Friday from 11 to 12, and I expect that they will pick January 31 as Florida's primary date."

The move is part of Florida's plan to hold the fifth primary nominating contest of 2012. The state pulled off the same move in 2008 as it sought to move toward the front of the scrum of early primary states--even at the price of losing delegates at the 2008 nominating convention.

States outside the charmed circle of the four already designated early-voting states--Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina--who try to jump ahead of March 6 on the primary calendar risk penalties from the national party. But the example of Florida, at least, suggests that states are increasingly willing to barter away some influence at the convention in exchange for the clout and media attention that come with earlier primary votes.

Florida's decision will almost certainly prompt protests from the four early-voting states. And if those states retaliate by moving their own primaries forward in January, that could mean that Iowa and New Hampshire, which traditionally lead off the primary season, could be casting ballots in early January--and suffering through last-minute campaigning appeals over the December holidays.

And the Florida move could also spark a more general push of states that feel neglected or largely irrelevant to the nominating battle into a front-loading face-off. Since the primary field tends to quickly winnow, late-voting states risk hosting a far narrower field of candidates, or serving as rubber-stamp plebiscites in an already settled primary process.

Indeed, Arizona recently fired its own shot across the RNC's bow by electing to keep its primary date scheduled for Feb. 28 in defiance of the national committee's direction.

States are due to submit their proposed primary and caucus dates to the RNC this Saturday, October 1.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/11 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Why are Floridians even allowed to vote anymore?


Why don't they just cut Florida off at the Georgia border and let it float away into the Caribbean?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/11 05:14 PM

One of my friends posted this on Facebook. lol

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/11 05:16 PM

Is the big package a black thing? whistle

That's one stereotype that none of my male black friends seem to mind lol.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/11 05:20 PM

I'm watching a Fox report where Christie is pretty much saying (but not quite) that he won't run for President.

Isn't it quite a commentary on the current Republican field of candidates that many Republicans are begging Christie to run.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/11 05:27 PM

Oli,

Glad you brought that up. I saw Christie's comments and I took it as a definite "NO." He referred them to politico where they had several clips looped together, all of them, him saying "NO". He said he appreciated being asked and would be nuts not to be flattered. He also said he didn't feel it was right and that one needed to be ready to run and he didn't feel it.

Now, this morning all the pundits are saying he left the door open. I did not see it as that at all. I'm thinking WTF, did they not hear it? HOW was a door open (except for the media telling us it was)? confused I know the Rep. field sucks and I know they want this guy but if Christie's playing games he's gonna look like a jerk if he draws this out. I don't get it.

That being said, and assuming nobody else enters the race, I think Rep. voters will very reluctantly go to Romney. Just my opinion.


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/11 05:29 PM

Romney-Cain is probably their best bet now.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/11 05:33 PM

Although many people have been impressed by what Christie has accomplished in NJ, I think he's an arrogant bully. I can't imagine that this blowhard is the "savior" of the Republican Party.

There's one thing that people are forgetting - Christie's appeal in the tri-state area is not one that will play well across the country. We like our politicians to be blunt and outspoken - to a point that many would consider rude.

I don't think he would translate well to a national candidate. Even I find him abrasive. Imagine the Bible Belt?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/11 05:43 PM

From what I've seen of him, I agree. Another bully governor. Who needs that?

To his credit, I did hear him when he called this "sharia law" business "nuts" after he assigned a position to a middle eastern person (know who I'm talking about? I don't know the gentlemen's name or specifics but some were opposing I guess because of his nationality). We know the Nutjobs won't like that position. lol

However, back to my original point. Yesterday there was a story saying Christie was closer to throwing his hat in the ring (per an anonymous source). Christie's brother said, he would be shocked if Christie ran and he didn't tell his brother. Yet, the news ignores that source and continues to push for Christie.


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/11 06:25 PM

Gov. Christie breaks the GOP's heart

EASTON, Md, September 28, 2011 — The Republican field has gone topsy-turvy on us. Who was up is now down. Who was down is on top. And everyone else is blown sideways.

Last Saturday’s Florida straw poll was supposed to be a crystal ball for the GOP future. Based on past history and conventional wisdom, whoever wins Florida’s straw pool will win the primary and ultimately be the Republican candidate in the general election. So according to that predictor, the straw poll picked Herman Cain in 2012.

What? Herman Cain? That can’t be, moaned the Party insiders, that just can’t be. Quick find us someone else. We used to be crazy for Michelle Bachman. Ok, ok, she is too nutty, even for us. So let’s go with Mitt Romney. No wait, Rick Perry is here. Rick’s our guy. Or is he? Ok, we got it, you voters want Mitt. What? Now you have a hankering for Herman Cain?

What’s the Grand Old Party to do? GOP pols are tearing their hair out and the moneymen don’t know what to do.

Calling Governor Chris Christie: come save us from ourselves. Oops, hold on. Looks like Christie won’t be answering the call of his Party or of the guys with enough loot to buy an election.

When Does No Not Mean No?

Of course, no matter how often Gov. Christie says it, no one seems to believe him. Cable’s talking heads, Right and Left, and political pros are parsing his words at the Reagan Library where he spoke Tuesday night. After all he didn’t come right out and say, “No,” did he?

Instead he sent everyone to a Politico video, a montage of Christie saying No a zillion times.

But did he actually use the word No that night? Not really. Just sort of.

And that speech sure sounded like one a candidate on the stump might make, including talking about foreign policy. Christie seemed to be trying to position himself as a different kind of Republican candidate. Was this his out of town tryout or was he just flapping his gums?

So will he or won’t he? That is the question. The one that won’t go away no matter what Christie says. For some people, but not for me. I never thought he would run. Not just because he said last November only committing suicide would convince people he’s not running.

After all, the number of politicians who have Lazarus moments, coming back from the dead to have another shot at a campaign, is legion. He’s not running because he doesn’t think this is his time.

Actually, I’m sorry the Jersey guy isn’t running. He would be much more fun to watch. He’s a bully. He’s got a nasty mouth. He shoots from the lip and asks questions later. He’s really fat, but nimble. He takes no guff. He never says he’s sorry because he’s not. He’s smart. And he ain’t afraid of nobody, no how.

He’s from Jersey.

Christie’s a little bit Tony Soprano and a little bit The Situation, if you know what I mean. I would have loved to see him up on the stage at the next debate. Newt Gingrich would have been toast. (Bachmann is already toast.) Christie would have eaten Romney’s lunch. And Perry? He would have found himself skewered on the end of a toothpick.

The candidates are undoubtedly breathing a sigh of relief. As for those moneymen, you know the ones from the SOB Club (Save Our Billionaires), they will try to slip back into the shadows once more. But we did get a glimpse of their faces as they made the pilgrimage to Trenton, New Jersey’s capital (how humiliating that must have been for these New York tycoons finding themselves actually in New Jersey and not just whizzing through in limos on their way to somewhere else).

Have Cash, Ready to Play

Here were the supplicants, on bended knees, humbling themselves to get Christie to save the GOP from other Republicans:

David H. Koch, industrialist and Tea Party moneyman

Kenneth G. Langone, the billionaire Home Depot founder

Paul E. Singer, hedge fund magnate

Charles R. Schwab, financial investor who touts himself as the friend of the little investor

David Tepper and Daniel S. Loeb, hedge fund managers

Then there is the interesting $1.5 million ad, sponsored by the Committee for Our Children’s Future, that is running in New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania. When is an ad just an ad and not a billboard for Christie for President?

Watch it yourself and decide (at the end of this column).

Now all of this, supposedly, is going on without Christie’s blessing. He just smiles appreciatively and says such things, as he did the other night at the Reagan Library to the woman who pleaded with him to run for the sake of her children and grandchildren:

“So my answer to you is just this: I thank you for what you’re saying, and I take it in, and I’m listening to every word of it, and feeling it too.”

He probably is “feeling it,” and with folks ready to smother him in campaign cash and love plus a weak GOP field, Christie might still be weighing his options. But it is doubtful, he will run. Despite the polls, President Obama’s goose is far from cooked. And Christie knows it.

If he’s anything, Christie is a realist. Remember he’s from Jersey.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...aks-gops-heart/
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/11 06:54 PM

TIS, in the video this morning, Christie responded to a woman's plea thathe enter the race. He gave a convoluted and long-winded response that while sensitive never contained anything like the words "I won't run." So, I am not convinced. But, at this late date, it would be a challenge for him to garner the kind of financial and organizational support he needs for a primary run. One thing that I think is weighing on his mind is how it would reflect on him if he runs, gets the nomination, and then loses to Obama.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/11 12:26 AM

At this rate, the only hope those wingnuts have for Christie '12 is his ego.

(and really, watch as Perry went from new kid on the block savior to also-ran within weeks, and he was supposedly the Tea Party-friendly candidate.)

There's always Sarah.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/11 01:46 PM

Since my wife is a teacher, our household has a pretty dim view of Gov. Christie. He is blunt, he is not afraid to offend people and he says what he thinks. There is a long list of things he promised and has not delivered, but realistically I don't think anyone believes any promises a candidate makes anymore.

I think the problem the GOP would have if he choose to run is that he is not conservative enough for the far right of the party. He admits that global warming is real, is opposed to drilling off the coast of NJ, appointed a Muslim judge, called those protesting the Ground Zero "mosque" crazies, and is far too compassionate about immigration. He even praised the Obama Education platform. If the GOP thinks he is a Tea Party poster boy they will be surprised. He is actually fairly moderate about a lot of issues. He would have more widespread appeal than someone like Bachmann.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/11 01:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
I think the problem the GOP would have if he choose to run is that he is not conservative enough for the far right of the party.

That's their problem in a nutshell, DM. No one is conservative enough for them. They want to run a revisionist combination of Ward Cleaver and John Wayne.

In short, they're insane.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/11 02:50 PM

You know when for shits and giggles we joked about Romney being the GOP Kerry? A "safe" guy running a safe campaign who won mostly by default because the party couldn't find the candidate they really wanted and settled for someone from Massachusetts.

I mean Romney was for HCR before he was against it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/11 03:04 PM

Fox News Poll

Romney 23%
Perry 19%
Cain 17%

That base really doesn't want Mittens. And hey, only in America can a former Pizza CEO be (at least for this weekend) be a serious candidate for the nomination.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/11 03:04 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
You know when for shits and giggles we joked about Romney being the GOP Kerry? A "safe" guy running a safe campaign who won mostly by default because the party couldn't find the candidate they really wanted and settled for someone from Massachusetts.

I mean Romney was for HCR before he was against it.

That's a pretty good analogy, Ronnie. Because the Reps are in the EXACT same situation the Dems were in '04.

Obama will win re-election by default, just as Bush did in '04.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/11 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Fox News Poll

Romney 23%
Perry 19%
Cain 17%

That base really doesn't want Mittens. And hey, only in America can a former Pizza CEO be (at least for this weekend) be a serious candidate for the nomination.


Well, that's part of what makes the US the greatest Nation on Earth. What's wrong with a CEO campaigning to be President? What about that would disqualify him? Why should his profession affect his legitimacy as a candidate? Should Al Franken abandon his seat in the Senate because his prior occupation was as a comedian? How about former NFL players Jon Runyon and Heath Shuler? Should they not have run for Congress and should they absolutely eschew any plans to run for President? Madonne! Can you believe it? Jack Kemp actually did run for President!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/11 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant


Well, that's part of what makes the US the greatest Nation on Earth. What's wrong with a CEO campaigning to be President? What about that would disqualify him? Why should his profession affect his legitimacy as a candidate? Should Al Franken abandon his seat in the Senate because his prior occupation was as a comedian? How about former NFL players Jon Runyon and Heath Shuler? Should they not have run for Congress and should they absolutely eschew any plans to run for President? Madonne! Can you believe it? Jack Kemp actually did run for President!


Who says I have a problem?

I don't see Pizza CEOs or comics winning high offices in say the UK, for example. That was my point.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/11 03:37 PM

Well, the story won't die. The Republicans/media have it bad for Christie. It's reported NOW that Christie is seriously thinking about throwing his hat in the ring. Of course all the big doners willing to throw money is way must be tempting.

According to report his wife and family are ok with it if he decides to do so. Supposedly there is a 50/50 chance. So after a long string of denials he may change his mind.

smile
TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/11 03:52 PM

Requiem for a Governor Before He’s in the Ring

Quote:
Unfortunately, the symbolism of Christie’s weight problem goes way past the issue of obesity itself. It is just a too- perfect symbol of our country at the moment, with appetites out of control and discipline near zilch. And it’s not just symbolism. We don’t yet know much about Chris Christie. He certainly makes all the right noises about fiscal discipline and seems to have done well so far as governor of New Jersey. Perhaps Christie is the one to help us get our national appetites under control. But it would help if he got his own under control first.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-30...el-kinsley.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/11 03:55 PM

Man who knew Mittens would be the one going cop killa on the other candidates, and not the other way around?

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/11 04:14 PM

RR,

I saw that ad earlier today. Looking at it in terms of being successful, I think it was a smart as political ads go. It will put Perry on the defensive. The fact that Vicente Fox is in the ad is actually a great touch, that should piss a lot of people off. lol


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/11 04:34 PM

My money says Christie will give into party pressure and run.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/11 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
My money says Christie will give into party pressure and run.


He may run but if he does, I already see the ads showing his stern denials repeatedly saying he's "not ready" and how you "have to feel it in your heart", etc. The attack will go something like "so Chris Christie, you have people beg enough and are offered big bucks and NOW you're ready to be President."

Not to say he doesn't stand a chance, he's not as wacko as a few of the others, but I think even I could write campaign ads for the other side. LOL Know what I mean?

smile
TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/11 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
He may run but if he does, I already see the ads showing his stern denials repeatedly saying he's "not ready"

Now Tis, you know what my politics are, and you know which way I'm still going to vote in 2012. BUT, let's not say he's not ready when our own candidate (and current President) also had very limited experience prior to the 2008 election.

The moronic pundits on Fox still refer to President Obama as a "community organizer," and I just don't want to lower myself to that level.

And the truth is, no President in his first term has ever had Presidential experience.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/11 06:00 PM

I hear ya PB and am not disagreeing BUT we have a candidate admitting he's not ready and I am simply saying hell yea, it'll be used against him. I don't know of any clips of Obama admitting and/or saying he's not ready (a zillion times no less).

You must admit, if YOU were the other side, you'd be doing exactly that. I still say the Left WILL use it. wink


TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/11 06:42 PM

Reuters is reporting that Mike Huckabee is now reconsidering jumping into the race. Hey, the more the merrier.....come on down!!! lol


TIS



http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/30/us-usa-campaign-huckabee-idUSTRE78T48Y20110930
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/11 06:51 PM

There are huge obstacles to entering the race at this point. There are primary ballot requirements that, first of all, need to be researched, and then need to be complied with. Some of those requirements are end of October deadlines. Then one has to have the staff put together, a staff that has national campaign experience. Of course, there's money to be raised.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Election 2012 - 10/01/11 06:25 PM

I think Ron Paul should take Jon Stewart's advice and flip flop on an issue so he can get some media attention too.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/02/11 09:24 PM

NBC News and msnbc.com updated 10/2/2011 12:44:10 PM ET

Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain criticized the name of a hunting camp once leased by Gov. Rick Perry's family as "just plain insensitive" in an appearance on Fox News Sunday.

The name of the camp — "Niggerhead" — was first reported by the Washington Post on Saturday. The paper said the name was painted on a rock at the entrance of the property. Perry reportedly began hosting fellow lawmakers, friends and supporters at the secluded ranch early in his career. The offensive phrase has been painted over, but the Post's sources and the Perry campaign differ on when that was done
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/02/11 11:34 PM

What surprises me isn't that snafu, but that it wasn't reported earlier.

I mean maybe its just me, but I would notice such a word of A PLACE I'M VISITING. Sheez.

(Point goes to Cain. Good job.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/11 12:54 AM

awesome.

Perry Open to Military Intervention in Mexico’s Drug War

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/...xicos-drug-war/
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 02:47 PM

Christie scheduled a press conference for 1pm today in Trenton
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 03:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Christie scheduled a press conference for 1pm today in Trenton


Channel 7 News has reported that Christie will announce that he is NOT running for president. Personally, I think he's too fat to even WALK for president.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 03:35 PM

By msnbc.com's Michael O'Brien
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie will announce that he will not run for president at a press conference Tuesday afternoon, sources told NBC News.

The Christie camp announced earlier that the governor would be making an announcement at a 1 p.m. EDT. NBC News' Jamie Gangel confirmed late Tuesday morning that the governor would make clear that he's not making a White House bid.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Christie scheduled a press conference for 1pm today in Trenton


Channel 7 News has reported that Christie will announce that he is NOT running for president. Personally, I think he's too fat to even WALK for president.


He will be in better shape in 2016! wink
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 04:08 PM

I wonder IF he'd take a VP offer? Somehow I can't picture him as second fiddle.

smile

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 04:41 PM

I agree, TIS. I can't picture that, although it's not a bad strategy. He's still a relatively young man.

As I've said before, he's a bit abrasive, and while that may play well in the tristate area, I don't think it will nationally. He also has a quick temper, as he proved over his reaction to both the helicopter ride and the blizzard. He needs to learn how to curb that if he hopes to hold national office one day.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 05:07 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Personally, I think he's too fat to even WALK for president.

All kidding aside, he's too slovenly to appear "Presidential." I realize that's probably a terribly bigoted way for me to think, but I don't think I'm alone.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 05:26 PM

"Governor, back away from the Canolli."

He just held his news conference stating that he's not running.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 05:39 PM

I'm dying to see if after Christie is done saying he's not gonna run, if the media will report that "he left the door open." lol My God, there so hot for Christie. lol


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: SC
Personally, I think he's too fat to even WALK for president.

All kidding aside, he's too slovenly to appear "Presidential." I realize that's probably a terribly bigoted way for me to think, but I don't think I'm alone.


One thing you have to say for President Obama, the way he walks, runs up and down the stairs of Air Force One, he at least LOOKS the part. Imagine juxtaposing those pictures with Christie heaving himself in and out of a chair?? lol

Yes, I know that's mean, but sadly, it's true. It's not just appearance, it's health issues, too. He's obese, he has asthma, God knows what his heart's like.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Yes, I know that's mean, but sadly, it's true. It's not just appearance, it's health issues, too. He's obese, he has asthma, God knows what his heart's like.


If Christie ends up running and gets elected, thank God Air Force One is a Jumbo jet.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 07:51 PM

Washington (CNN) - A second national poll indicates a dramatic decline in voter support for Texas Gov. Rick Perry following a shaky debate performance and questions about his stance on social security and immigration.

According to a Washington Post/ABC News survey released Tuesday, 16% of likely Republican voters back Perry, a virtual tie with Godfather's Pizza executive Herman Cain. Both men trail former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who stands at 25%.
FULL POST
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/11 08:55 PM

Shocking. The GOP needs to realize that these extremists may garner some headlines in the beginning, but they're not going to win it for them. The only way to do it is with a moderate who will grab those voters left disappointed by President Obama.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/11 07:51 PM

My money is on a Romney-Rubo ticket. That would make it very hard for Obama to get a second term IMHO.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/11 11:19 PM

ABC News’ Polson Kanneth reports:

Sarah Palin will not run for president. She made the announcement in a letter to supporters Wednesday night.

Say it ain't so Sarah! Whatever will Tina Fey do?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/11 11:23 PM

For Palin to run for President would be too much like work.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/06/11 01:28 AM

I doubt most people took her seriously. Maybe her traveling clown show will be over. Unless she's hoping for another VP request. panic No, you'd have to be nuts.



TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/06/11 02:38 PM

She'll have her Fox gig, probably some speaking engagements, and gd forbid another book. She also may try to lay "kingmaker" at the GOP convention. She is not a serious contender to hold office...she could not even handle being governor of Alaska. She does better standing on the sidelines and sniping at people.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/06/11 02:45 PM

My wife is the most outspoken feminist I've ever met. So when she refers to Palin as a twat, you know it has some merit tongue whistle.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/06/11 04:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
For Palin to run for President would be too much like work.


She's an empty suit. If she thought she had any chance at actually, you know, like winning, she would have grabbed the opportunity. She's become a punchline.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/06/11 08:14 PM

I like how the GOP front-runner was someone who once promsied to be "more pro-gay" than Ted Kennedy.

Just saying.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/07/11 12:31 PM

Sen. Scott Brown will be running against whoever of the Democratic candidates gets the nomination. One of the contenders for the candidacy is Harvard Professor Elizabeth Warren. It seems that Brown posed nude for Cosmo decades ago to "pay for college tuition". When asked during a primary debate how she paid for college, Warren fired back that she kept her clothes on.

When asked for comment about the somewhat plain Warren keeping her clothes on, he simply replied, "Thank God."

I think it was stupid on his part, and as a woman, I guess I'm supposed to be insulted, but I'll admit that I laughed my ass off.

http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/2011_1007case_clothed_brown_quip_hits_below_belt
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/07/11 06:23 PM

I just saw that on Fox. He also said that topay for college he would do anything. Sell drugs, murder, prostitution? Hmm. What else did he do to pay for college?
Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 10/07/11 08:44 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
My wife is the most outspoken feminist I've ever met. So when she refers to Palin as a twat, you know it has some merit tongue whistle.


I just choked on my drink when I read your post. Are you married to Susie Greene? wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/11 12:29 AM

Reason #6 why I'm not a Republican, nor will be in the near future.

Rick Perry backer Robert Jeffress: Mitt Romney not a Christian

Quote:
Texas evangelical leader Robert Jeffress, the Baptist megachurch pastor who introduced Rick Perry at the Values Voter Summit, said Friday afternoon he does not believe Mitt Romney is a Christian.

Jeffress described Romney's Mormon faith as a “cult,” and said evangelicals had only one real option in the 2012 primaries.
Continue Reading


“That is a mainstream view, that Mormonism is a cult,” Jeffress told reporters here. “Every true, born again follower of Christ ought to embrace a Christian over a non-Christian.”

Asked by POLITICO if he believed Romney is a Christian, Jeffress answered: “No.”

Jeffress's comments represent the first major attack of the 2012 cycle on Romney over his membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, an issue that some Romney supporters believe cost the former Massachusetts governor in his last presidential run.



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65445.html#ixzz1a950htUU
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/11 05:21 AM

By NBC's Carrie Dann

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Ron Paul, a favorite of libertarian-leaning Republicans and young activists, has won another straw poll.

Paul received 37 percent of the vote in the Values Voter Summit straw poll Saturday at the annual gathering of conservative religious voters in Washington.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/11 03:01 PM

Last election, I saw many Ron Paul signs in my area. Go figure. I doubt he will win but he does have a following. Herman Cain is doing well also, at least according to these straw polls. Everyone says these polls don't mean a thing yet the media treats them like gospel. lol

The media also reminded us that at this point during the last Presidential cycle Hillary and Guiliani were in the lead. It definitely WILL be interesting, but I still say Romney will be the Right's candidate.

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/11/11 09:51 PM

Cain leading in Iowa by 8 points.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/10/cain-leads-in-iowa.html
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/12/11 02:12 AM

RR,

Was that a poll taken tonight (after debate)?


smile

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/12/11 03:23 AM

I liked Bachmann's jibe about turning Cain's 999 tax plan upside down to reveal it's a 666 plan.

Could it be? Cain's the anti-christ?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/12/11 04:22 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I liked Bachmann's jibe about turning Cain's 999 tax plan upside down to reveal it's a 666 plan.

Could it be? Cain's the anti-christ?


Don't be ridiculous.

That's the President.

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
RR,

Was that a poll taken tonight (after debate)?


smile

TIS


If it was, Perry would have dropped several points. I wonder how many Texans are upset that he's clearly been the bitch of a yankee Mormon from Mass.? Perry was sinking, he knew he had to reclaim his prowless from that prick. He lost.

Nevermind it just came out today that Romney's healthcare team that helped orchestrated RomneyCare advised the Obama White House on ObamaCare. And Perry...zip. Nothing.Nothing. It's like Glass Joe K.O.'ing your ass out on PUNCH OUT.

The only thing I really took from that debate was this: The GOP doesn't know what it wants to be, and I wonder that if not for their absolute vicious hatred of their opponent, what would unite them except mythology-fueled, increasingly historic-inaccurate waxing on Reagan?

(Romney not really having an answer at all about Reagan's own contradictions compared to today's GOP orthodoxy is rather revealing. Reagan, success and failure, had to deal with reality. Apparently reality is now all in the mind.)
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/12/11 03:22 PM

Mitt is the John Kerry of the GOP. He'll get the nomination, but no one is enthusiastic about him.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 04:15 AM

NBC News updated 10/12/2011 6:28:08 PM ET 2011-10-12T22:28:08

Fueled by Tea Party supporters, conservatives and high-interest GOP primary voters, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

And in yet another sign of how volatile the Republican race has been with less than three months until the first nominating contests, the onetime frontrunner, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, has plummeted to third place, dropping more than 20 percentage points since late August.

Cain checks in as the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters in the poll, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent. After those three, it’s Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.

In the previous survey, conducted in late August, Perry led the field at 38 percent, Romney stood at 23 percent, while Cain was at only 5 percent.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 02:56 PM

Well from these debates I have gleaned the American Revlution was fought in the sixteenth century, the founding fathers ended slavery, and Cain's economic plan when turned upside down is the MArk of the Beast.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Well from these debates I have gleaned the American Revlution was fought in the sixteenth century, the founding fathers ended slavery, and Cain's economic plan when turned upside down is the MArk of the Beast.

lol lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 04:10 PM

Or one could say the "Mark of Cain." lol

The media is having conniptions today. They don't want to report Cain is leading in the polls. rolleyes





TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 05:00 PM

In the latest PPP poll, Perry lost 22 points since the last poll. How many has Romney gained in the new poll? ZERO.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 05:02 PM

Herman Cain tops Mitt Romney for president in 2012 among GOP voters: poll

BY Aliyah Shahid, DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Tea Party favorite Herman Cain is steamrolling his way to the top.

The Republican presidential candidate has surpassed former frontrunner Mitt Romney among GOP voters, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll.

According to the survey, the ex-Pizza business magnate is the No.1 choice among 27% of Republicans compared to 23% for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry plummeted to third place, dropping to 16% from 38% in August.

While the survey of 336 voters has a margin of error of 5.35 percentage points, it's the second poll this week showing Cain on top.

According to a survey by Public Policy Polling, Cain leads Romney 30% to 22%. That survey has a margin of error of 4.5 percentage points.

Both polls were taken before Tuesday night's Republican presidential debate, in which Cain's GOP competition blasted his 9-9-9 tax plan to solve the country's economic woes.

Cain, who has never held elected office, says he would scrap the progressive federal income tax in favor of a 9% flat income tax for all Americans.

The plan would also slash the corporate tax rate to 9% - big corporations are currently taxed at 35%. And it would introduce a new 9% national sales tax - an addition to the state or city sales taxes that Americans already pay.

Critics say the plan would punish the lower class and would raise less money than the current tax code.

But in follow-up interviews, voters who supported Cain told MSNBC that part of the ex-talk radio show host's appeal - unlike his competition - is that he isn't a career politician.

"He has common sense answers and is in touch with the heartbeat of America," said one.

"Cain gives direct answers. He is succinct. He isn't a politician," added another.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 05:08 PM

We seem to waste alot of posting space repeating posts about statistical information from the same poll results.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
We seem to waste alot of posting space repeating posts about statistical information from the same poll results.


We're possibly on the cusp of history here, where a former Pizza CEO could become President.

Or at the least, make '12 officially the worst election ever in American history for racists.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 06:03 PM

He's spoken!

Quote:
"Romney is not a conservative. He's not, folks. You can argue with me all day long on that, but he isn't. ... This isn't personal, not with what country faces and so forth. I like him very much. I've spent some social time with him. He's a fine guy. He's very nice gentleman. He is a gentleman. But he's not a conservative," - Rush Limbaugh


Ding dong...
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Or at the least, make '12 officially the worst election ever in American history for racists.

My God, who would Archie Bunker vote for?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 07:09 PM

True. However, I posted the WSJ/NBC poll results about noon today followed by yours and PB's posting of them also within the following 60 minutes or so. Perhaps Board members should consider limiting their quotes of news articles to just a few lines of the article instead of posting all or most of the article) and then providing a link to the article. That way more posts would appear on the screen.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/11 10:41 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
True. However, I posted the WSJ/NBC poll results about noon today followed by yours and PB's posting of them also within the following 60 minutes or so. Perhaps Board members should consider limiting their quotes of news articles to just a few lines of the article instead of posting all or most of the article) and then providing a link to the article. That way more posts would appear on the screen.


We'll try.

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
My God, who would Archie Bunker vote for?


A protest vote for Newt.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Election 2012 - 10/14/11 12:22 AM

Christie did not run because he did not want anymore digging around into his connection to the Genovese family in Jersey, specifically that his aunt is married to Tino Fumeria (not sure of the spelling).
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/14/11 12:44 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: olivant
We seem to waste alot of posting space repeating posts about statistical information from the same poll results.


We're possibly on the cusp of history here, where a former Pizza CEO could become President.

Or at the least, make '12 officially the worst election ever in American history for racists.



If and when people truly realize what his tax plan would mean for Social Security and Medicare his numbers will drop. I've also noticed that his grasp on facts isn't too tight and he tends to take questions very personally. I'm going to say there'll be a new front runner in a month or so.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/14/11 01:29 AM

Yes Lilo, I noticed that about him too. He seems to have a thin skin.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/14/11 03:14 PM

Romney-Rubio ..........bet on it.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/14/11 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Romney-Rubio ..........bet on it.

Don't laugh, DT, but I think that would be a pretty formidable ticket for the GOP.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/14/11 03:59 PM

By the way, don't forget that there's another Republican debate on the 18th, CNN.

I wonder if Cain furnishes free pizza to his campaign staff.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/14/11 08:34 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Romney-Rubio ..........bet on it.

Don't laugh, DT, but I think that would be a pretty formidable ticket for the GOP.


Agreed. It gets Fla for Romney and cuts into the Latino vote everywhere, which Obama needs in great force to squeak by in swing states.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/15/11 09:08 AM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso


Agreed. It gets Fla for Romney and cuts into the Latino vote everywhere, which Obama needs in great force to squeak by in swing states.


That would be hilarious, considering Romney reclaimed his front-runner status by burning Perry on his immigration policy.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/15/11 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: dontomasso

Agreed. It gets Fla for Romney and cuts into the Latino vote everywhere, which Obama needs in great force to squeak by in swing states.

That would be hilarious, considering Romney reclaimed his front-runner status by burning Perry on his immigration policy.

That's a fair point, Ronnie. The thing is, many Latinos want to be able to vote conservative. A good portion of them are Christian and very religious, so falling into the Evangelical Right isn't that much of a stretch for them. They just don't want to vote for a wingnut like Perry. The overwhelming majority of anti-Castro Cubans in Florida will embrace a moderate Republican, especially "one of their own," like Rubio. Plus, Rubio will appeal to Latinos (not just Cubans) everywhere.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/15/11 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

That's a fair point, Ronnie. The thing is, many Latinos want to be able to vote conservative. A good portion of them are Christian and very religious, so falling into the Evangelical Right isn't that much of a stretch for them. They just don't want to vote for a wingnut like Perry. The overwhelming majority of anti-Castro Cubans in Florida will embrace a moderate Republican, especially "one of their own," like Rubio. Plus, Rubio will appeal to Latinos (not just Cubans) everywhere.


With that logic, McCain should've won that vote in '08. But he didn't. Why?

Because that party, whether the prospective nominee is actively serious in their politics or not, is run by the base...and that base screams and shouts at anything that is seen as being "friendly" to za immigrantz. Or for that matter, states like Arizona taking the issue to solve themselves, actively cheerleaded by Fox News. You might want to agree with them on abortion or hating the gays or whatever, but if you're treated like a criminal and pulled over to be questioned about your citizenship simply because of your skin color...why the hell would you support those assholes?

Dubya at one point was onto something perhaps. He had the highest Latino voting % for a GOP candidate ever in 2004, and he sought to destroy that Democratic voting bloc by passing Immigration Reform. But then the base (mostly Southwest/Rocky mountain) reacted like someone gaped them in the middle of the night, and that effort crashed and burn. So loud, so viotile that reaction, McCain and the party as a whole got tainted. Even though McCain was one of the leading figures for Reform, that did him zero good and he ran away from that shit like the plague in the '08 primaries.

It's the same reason why Republicans have never been able to break the loyal American Jewish voting bloc from the Democratic Party, despite supposed logic and demographics and whatever numbrs Karl Rove has. On paper, something issues could attract cross-over votes but ultimately, if your party is seen as being against you and your interests and just filling up your ass with gas, you won't support them.

(Recent example: Congress wanting to cut U.S. funding to the Palestinian Authority over the U.N. affair, which Israel pleaded no. But if the House GOP had its way, it would be severed. Even against the wishes of said ally they're supposedly allied with because of religion. More Pro-Israel than Israel.)
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/15/11 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

That's a fair point, Ronnie. The thing is, many Latinos want to be able to vote conservative. A good portion of them are Christian and very religious, so falling into the Evangelical Right isn't that much of a stretch for them. They just don't want to vote for a wingnut like Perry. The overwhelming majority of anti-Castro Cubans in Florida will embrace a moderate Republican, especially "one of their own," like Rubio. Plus, Rubio will appeal to Latinos (not just Cubans) everywhere.

With that logic, McCain should've won that vote in '08. But he didn't. Why?

Did McCain have a Latino running mate?

You know, Ronnie, just looking at the big picture doesn't make you a bad Democrat.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/15/11 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

Did McCain have a Latino running mate?

You know, Ronnie, just looking at the big picture doesn't make you a bad Democrat.


Again with that logic, McCain should've won the female vote in '08. He did not.

It all depends on the situational circumstances.

That said, Rubio is a very logical pick. Whatever it would work or not, who knows? Maybe?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/15/11 04:52 PM

Yeah, I guess. But Sarah was/is the anti-feminist lol.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/11 10:29 PM

The next POTUS singing about Pizza.

(Did John get royalties?)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/2011/10/17/herman-cain-sings-an-ode-to-pizza.html
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/11 10:58 PM

Ok, Cain actually doesn't have a bad voice BUT don't be messin' with Lennon music. rolleyes



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/11 11:50 PM

Perry Camp’s Anti-Mormon Message

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/16/rick-perry-camp-s-anti-mormon-message.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/11 12:57 AM

So when confronted about his state's high uninsured rate, Perry blamed it on illegal immigration. If he did get the nomination, that's some good ammo right there.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/11 02:20 AM

Not quite "Corporations are people!", but at least the guy is honest about his pandering.

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/11 11:11 PM

That's why in job interviews and depositions it is often a very good idea to only answer the question that was asked.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/21/11 09:52 AM

Cain's evasive answers on abortion rights and his rise in the polls have caused some conservatives to take a closer look at him. And some aren't happy.

Quote:
Looking at his non-winning campaign strategy as well as his inconsistent worldview, we still do not know what’s going on inside Herman’s Head.


Quote:
What Cain is really up to is anybody’s guess, but it’s clear that unless he thinks you can win the Republican nomination on Facebook he’s not really up to running for president. However, what remains unclear is how Cain can still have the support of Tea Party patriots or Bible-believing Christians after what we’ve learned about Cain recently.



Full Column
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/21/11 05:50 PM

Mitt Romney from his book:

Quote:
"Muammer Qaddafi, the dictator of Libya, declared that 'we'd be content and happy if Obama can stay president forever.' Such lavish praise...tells you much of what [Obama's] approach to foreign policy is and the audience to which he is playing."


Your next POTUS, everybody.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/22/11 03:02 AM

Perry's getting nasty.

I must say: It's very effective.

Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/11 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Mitt Romney from his book:

Quote:
"Muammer Qaddafi, the dictator of Libya, declared that 'we'd be content and happy if Obama can stay president forever.' Such lavish praise...tells you much of what [Obama's] approach to foreign policy is and the audience to which he is playing."


Your next POTUS, everybody.


I think we should ask Mr. Qaddafi how he feels about that statement now. Anyone have the keys to the freezer?
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/11 03:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Mitt Romney from his book:

Quote:
"Muammer Qaddafi, the dictator of Libya, declared that 'we'd be content and happy if Obama can stay president forever.' Such lavish praise...tells you much of what [Obama's] approach to foreign policy is and the audience to which he is playing."


Your next POTUS, everybody.


I think we should ask Mr. Qaddafi how he feels about that statement now. Anyone have the keys to the freezer?




Not to worry, Mitt has plenty of time to change his position
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/11 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso

Not to worry, Mitt has plenty of time to change his position


As soon as he consults the party base for the proper answer.*
With exception of RomneyCare which he's practically disowned subsequently, where has Romney been a leader in anything within his party in changing the narrative of any issue? Safe bet, if Fox News endorses a POV, Romney is either publicly behind it afterwards following the sanction of those opinions, or he doesn't disavow it. (Contrast this with the liberal alternative MSNBC, who at times seem to grill Obama more than the other party.)

I mean as batshit nuts as Perry is for wanting to invade Mexico, or Cain's 6-6-6 plan for that matter, at least they both were leading with something in supposed major proposed policies that define their campaigns.

Mitt should've beaten Charlie Sheen to the punch and trademarked his tagline: "Duh, winning!"

*=Not his base, since he doesn't have one.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/11 06:04 PM

In the first poll since CNN's Western Republican debate, Cain is ahead of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by four percentage points, within the sampling error for the survey.

One quarter of GOP primary voters support Cain, who has surged in national polls recently due in part, perhaps, to his easy-to-understand "9-9-9" economic plan and consistent debate performances. Romney received 21% support. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich netted 10% followed by Texas Rep. Ron Paul at eight percent. Texas Gov. Rick Perry received 6% support in the poll, half the amount he received in early October.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/11 06:51 PM

Wow this will get interesting. I don't think Cain or Gingrich or Perry have the kind of egoes to get out of the race, and with these numbers the three of them would out poll Romney.

Don't look now, but there could be a major shocker....a brokered convention that nominates by acclimation a "reluctant" Jeb Bush who can then pick a midwestern moderate as veep, and be VERY formidable. .

You heard it here first
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/11 08:46 PM

That would be almost unique in this day and age. Of course, if the primaries don't sort things out, the Republican convention could be quite interesting.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/11 09:05 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Wow this will get interesting. I don't think Cain or Gingrich or Perry have the kind of egoes to get out of the race, and with these numbers the three of them would out poll Romney.

Don't look now, but there could be a major shocker....a brokered convention that nominates by acclimation a "reluctant" Jeb Bush who can then pick a midwestern moderate as veep, and be VERY formidable. .

You heard it here first

"The Return of Bush."

Sound like porn.
Posted By: LeroyJones

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/11 09:48 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
"The Return of Bush."

Sound like porn.

Barbara always said "Jebbie" was the smart one out of the bunch. I think even she knew good old Georgie wasn't cut out for it. But i think Jeb would have a real tough time getting the nomination let alone win a national election due to the bad memories that his brother left voters with.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/11 12:17 AM

I was just listening to O'Reilly who's interviewing Perry. He's asking Perry about Cain's national sales tax and states that since he used to live in Texas he knows Texas doesn't have a sales tax. He said it again a little later. Madonne! We have a 6.25% sales tax and cities get to add on another 2%. Perry just sat there and never corrected him. No wonder he's at 6% in the polls and O'Reilly continues to be a moron.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/11 09:00 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I was just listening to O'Reilly who's interviewing Perry. He's asking Perry about Cain's national sales tax and states that since he used to live in Texas he knows Texas doesn't have a sales tax. He said it again a little later. Madonne! We have a 6.25% sales tax and cities get to add on another 2%. Perry just sat there and never corrected him. No wonder he's at 6% in the polls and O'Reilly continues to be a moron.


Zbigniew Brzezinski called all the GOP candidates clowns yesterday.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/11 04:52 PM

This is just incredible:

(CNN) – GOP presidential candidate Rick Perry said if he had made any mistakes thus far in the campaign, it was "probably ever doing one of the" debates.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/11 05:55 PM

This GOP field is really quite amusing. I heard just this morning that Cain is STILL in the lead. Who would have thought? lol

Btw, DT, I don't understand your comment here. Can you elaborate and has this been done before and when can it be done?

brokered convention that nominates by acclimation a "reluctant" Jeb Bush who can then pick a midwestern moderate as veep, and be VERY formidable. .


TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/11 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
This GOP field is really quite amusing. I heard just this morning that Cain is STILL in the lead. Who would have thought? lol

Btw, DT, I don't understand your comment here. Can you elaborate and has this been done before and when can it be done?

brokered convention that nominates by acclimation a "reluctant" Jeb Bush who can then pick a midwestern moderate as veep, and be VERY formidable. .


TIS



TIS it was only in the past 50 years that the primary system took root. In the old days the political bosses would gather and agree on the nominee. There used to be all kinds of horse trading....in 1924 the Democrats had more than one hundred ballots before they selected a nobody to run against Coolidge. Basically the way it works now is the delegates are pledged to vote for whmever won their primaries or state nominations ON THE FIRST BALLOT ONLY once that is done, if no one gets a majority, then it is wide open and virtualy anyone can be nominated.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/11 08:29 PM

To add to that, probably the last standout convention battle we experienced was Ford v. Reagan in the mid-70s. As DT states, the primaries are so pre-selecting exeercises that the conventions have become simply one step in the nominationprocess.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/11 08:41 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
To add to that, probably the last standout convention battle we experienced was Ford v. Reagan in the mid-70s. As DT states, the primaries are so pre-selecting exeercises that the conventions have become simply one step in the nominationprocess.


The last convention of any consequence was the 1980 GOP convention when Reagan's team was trying to hash out a deal with Gerald Ford to be his running mate. Except Ford was asking for too many concessions (i.e. Power), whether it be re-appointing Kissinger as Secretary of State or nominating Greenspan for the Treasury. Thus George Bush got the gig.

I do sorta miss the conventions, because sometimes you had some unpredictable results. (Wendell Wilkie is one notable example.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/11 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
This is just incredible:

(CNN) – GOP presidential candidate Rick Perry said if he had made any mistakes thus far in the campaign, it was "probably ever doing one of the" debates.



He's only stating the obvious that everybody else has already said.

He's got what, $17 million in the bank? Those damn Christianites are still looking for their candidate, why not pull out of the debates which the general population doesn't pay attention to except for the partisans, media, and politicalphiles? Why not go full-on with his attack ads and strip King Romney from his throne?

His camp has done two great ads, that one I linked a few days earlier and the other which by CGI combined the signing ceremonies for both Romney and Obama's HCR plans as if they're at the same table. I mean Perry might as well, because he's as useless as man teets at the podiums. Especially against Mittens.

(Worry later that if Perry did win the nomination...will he also ignore those other debates?)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/11 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
This GOP field is really quite amusing. I heard just this morning that Cain is STILL in the lead. Who would have thought? lol


Because they've got nobody to go to right at the moment. They're on autopilot, and Romney can go fuck himself. Seriously that's what they think.

Some are trying to coach recently just re-elected Bobby Jindal to jump in. And quite honestly.....why not?

Unlike Christie, Jindal has got another term in the pocket and he's got nothing to lose if he tries to run, maybe capture lighting in a bottle and excite those disgruntled party members and donors who hate the field. Or at the least somebody who isn't Mittens.

At worst if he loses, Jindal would go back to his job and maybe considered for running mate, and if not even that, he's still got '16.

(and then Perry has some Evangelical flunkie of his claim Jindal's parents weren't really from India, but from Iran.)
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/11 09:09 PM

I don't know much about Jindal except to say that he came across as a big stiff when Obama was elected. He was the Republican party analyst or something like that. No personality at all.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/11 12:36 AM

Another thing to know about Jindal is that in his Louisiana reelection he garnered 66% of the vote against 9 opponents. Not too shabby.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/11 02:31 AM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
This GOP field is really quite amusing. I heard just this morning that Cain is STILL in the lead. Who would have thought? lol

Btw, DT, I don't understand your comment here. Can you elaborate and has this been done before and when can it be done?

brokered convention that nominates by acclimation a "reluctant" Jeb Bush who can then pick a midwestern moderate as veep, and be VERY formidable. .


TIS



TIS it was only in the past 50 years that the primary system took root. In the old days the political bosses would gather and agree on the nominee. There used to be all kinds of horse trading....in 1924 the Democrats had more than one hundred ballots before they selected a nobody to run against Coolidge. Basically the way it works now is the delegates are pledged to vote for whmever won their primaries or state nominations ON THE FIRST BALLOT ONLY once that is done, if no one gets a majority, then it is wide open and virtualy anyone can be nominated.


I can't imagine that happening but the field does really suck. I wonder IF they have that in back of their minds. If I understand it correctly, it does seems too "out there" to out of the blue throw another name in the mix. confused

I never thought about Jindal as a possibility but yes, I heard he won by a large margin. I do remember his speech after one of the President's Sate of the Union I think.

For a while the Rs were predicting that Rubio was their golden boy and a big consideration of VP, but with his recent gaffs on his parents and when/how they came to American from Cuba, he may be a long shot.

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/11 04:52 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I don't know much about Jindal except to say that he came across as a big stiff when Obama was elected. He was the Republican party analyst or something like that. No personality at all.


Picky, picky, picky....;p

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


For a while the Rs were predicting that Rubio was their golden boy and a big consideration of VP, but with his recent gaffs on his parents and when/how they came to American from Cuba, he may be a long shot.

TIS



That shit personally pissed me off because I have Godparents who did escape Castro's Cuba. No I don't mean several years before 1959 and claim a phantom victimship for votes.

I mean a middle-class couple of an lawyer and school teacher forced to work the fields and emigrated because they didn't want their boys to be mandatory conscripted into the Army, couldn't bring anything with them except what could be crammed into suitcases.

(Forced to fight for bullshit you don't believe? What a foreign concept for the HALO generation.)
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/11 02:11 PM

Rubio's fake story is an insult to everyone who risked their lives and gave everything up to escape from Castro.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/11 03:45 PM

I wasn't sure in what thread to post this, but the economy is the Nation's major determinant of presidential election outcomes.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The nation's economy regained some much-needed strength in the third quarter, as the pace of growth nearly doubled compared to the previous three months.

Gross domestic product, the broadest measure of U.S. economic health, grew at a 2.5% annual rate in the quarter after adjusting for inflation. That's up from the disappointing 1.3% growth in the second quarter and the anemic 0.4% pace in the first three months of the year
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/11 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I wasn't sure in what thread to post this, but the economy is the Nation's major determinant of presidential election outcomes.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The nation's economy regained some much-needed strength in the third quarter, as the pace of growth nearly doubled compared to the previous three months.

Gross domestic product, the broadest measure of U.S. economic health, grew at a 2.5% annual rate in the quarter after adjusting for inflation. That's up from the disappointing 1.3% growth in the second quarter and the anemic 0.4% pace in the first three months of the year


Maybe that explains the sour exprerssion on Mitch McConnell's face.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/11 04:15 PM

And don't forget the ever-loving Dow. Right now it's way up over 12K. A lot of a recession is psychological. People become paralyzed by fear when they see their investments and their 401Ks dropping. Then nobody buys cars or major appliances, etc., they cut back on dining out or put off that home improvement project. They start to see an improvement in their savings, those purse strings start to open.

The major impediment to economic recovery, however, is the housing market. People still see their homes as their single largest assets, whether they intend to sell them or not. If they feel that they have "lost" money or won't be able to unload them if they had to, then the fear persists.

For example, I could still easily double my money because I bought my house back in 1996 and have a small mortgage. However, that's nothing compared to the fact that I could have tripled my money 4 years ago. People persist in seeing a loss, even if there truly isn't one.

And until they don't, the economy, and therefore the election, is a huge unknown.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/11 04:37 PM

What people have to understand is that their homes are NOT investments. They are places to live....shelter. The whole housing bubble was the result of easy credit which allowed prices to rise. There are still a lot of upside down properties, and the housing market, while getting a little better, are not going to go through the roof any time soon.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/11 04:38 PM

They may not be investments, but they are still your largest asset. And any asset that loses value creates fear in the consumer, so if it's your largest asset, forget it!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/11 07:32 PM

Hang on to your seats, there is yet another person throwing his hat in the ring. Remember Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who was going to burn the Koran (although that is not listed in his platform)? Why is he running? As the article says, "because that's exactly what we need, more wackos running for President." lol And the clown show continues.

TIS


http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/10/koran-burning_florida_pastor_t.php
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/28/11 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Hang on to your seats, there is yet another person throwing his hat in the ring. Remember Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who was going to burn the Koran (although that is not listed in his platform)? Why is he running? As the article says, "because that's exactly what we need, more wackos running for President." lol And the clown show continues.

TIS


http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/10/koran-burning_florida_pastor_t.php


If elected, he will burn something.

Our future!

*Cue evil laugh*

Thanks TIS, you gave me a good laugh tonight.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/11 11:01 PM

George Will takes a big steaming shit on Mittens.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/m...ry.html?hpid=z1

Key quote:

Quote:
A straddle is not a political philosophy; it is what you do when you do not have one.


BANG!
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/11 06:22 PM

Des Moines, Iowa (CNN) - Ron Paul has won two separate tallies for the National Federation of Republican Assemblies Presidential Straw Poll.

Paul won both the Iowa-voters-only count at the Saturday convention in Des Moines as well as a tally of non-Iowans who participated.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/11 12:38 AM

Breaking news from TMZ!

Quote:
Herman Cain is making a solemn vow ... to bring Godfather's Pizza to the White House if he becomes president -- not like a few pizzas, but he will build an actual pizza kitchen!!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/11 12:48 AM

Speaking of Cain, two women allege inappropriate behavior on Cain's part. The women claim they were paid off with the agreement not to talk about it. So then, they talk about it. confused

TIS

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#.Tq3vFr2-aBE.twitter
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/11 09:46 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Speaking of Cain, two women allege inappropriate behavior on Cain's part. The women claim they were paid off with the agreement not to talk about it. So then, they talk about it. confused

TIS

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#.Tq3vFr2-aBE.twitter


I don't like Cain one bit but I guess when stuff like this pops up it shows that he is actually being taken seriously as a competitor. SH to me is the obvious classic situation when someone continually pesters someone for something or when someone makes sex or sexualized behavior a requirement of the job or when one is told "NO" but keeps on going and going and going-ie putting up "adult" material at work or using crude language, etc..

The "inappropriate comment" or "feeling uncomfortable" instances of SH kinda bothered me just because it always depends on who's saying it. If someone likes what another person is saying, game on, if not it's SH.

It seems to be a bit unfair for Politico to put information out there like this about Cain and then not print the women's names.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/11 07:34 PM

For some reason, this might hurt him with his general voting population image, but with the party base? I doubt it, I mean those pundits just love to rally around "victims" of liberal media persecution.

Just ask Ms. Coulter:

Quote:
"Liberals are terrified of Herman Cain. He is a strong conservative black man. Look at the way they go after Allen West and Michael Steele and they aren't even running against Obama. They are terrified of strong, conservative, black men," Coulter said.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/11 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Just ask Ms. Coulter:

Quote:
" They are terrified of strong, conservative, black men," Coulter said.




So is Coulter.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/11 08:23 PM

You know what? I have a feeling this story won't end up doing much as far as Cain's campaign goes. Unless of course, it gets worse in some way with more concrete proof. Not that I necessarily think he'll win.

I just think this is a whole new environment politically and people are just acting strange and unpredictable. confused Call me daft but I still think there could be a slim chance for a Perry comeback. I know, I know...just saying, it's a very strange time we live in politcally.


TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/11 11:49 PM

Well as Herman Cain would say "If you're falsely accused of sexually harassing someone don't cry about it because it's your own damn fault!".
Oh wait, that only applies to jobless or poor people. My mistake. rolleyes
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 12:22 AM

Was Rick Perry drunk?

Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 01:31 PM

It is a liberal plot, obviously. The democrats, sensing that Cain was destined to be the candidate is 2012, hired these two women to falsely accuse Mr. Cain of harassment so they would have something to smear him with 15 - 20 years later. And how could Mr. Cain, being so very busy being in charge of the Restaurant Association, be expected to remember details like payouts for case dismissals. There must have been hundreds of these settlements, right? How could he keep track of them, even if it did involve him directly? People running for President are accused of sexual harassment every day, aren't they? They can't be expected to remember petty details like "what happened to that potential lawsuit?" It must have just disappeared.

We are supposed to believe he knew nothing about payouts?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 02:27 PM

I believe Ann Coulter already accused the liberals. Thing is, why would the Dems smear him. He'd be a dream candidate to run against Obama (well, maybe Perry would be also) lol

I heard yesterday that there is also a potential campaign funding scandal that could be quite serious BUT of course a sex scandal is more appealing to the media/public.


TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Speaking of Cain, two women allege inappropriate behavior on Cain's part. The women claim they were paid off with the agreement not to talk about it. So then, they talk about it. confused

TIS

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#.Tq3vFr2-aBE.twitter


I don't like Cain one bit but I guess when stuff like this pops up it shows that he is actually being taken seriously as a competitor. SH to me is the obvious classic situation when someone continually pesters someone for something or when someone makes sex or sexualized behavior a requirement of the job or when one is told "NO" but keeps on going and going and going-ie putting up "adult" material at work or using crude language, etc..

The "inappropriate comment" or "feeling uncomfortable" instances of SH kinda bothered me just because it always depends on who's saying it. If someone likes what another person is saying, game on, if not it's SH.

It seems to be a bit unfair for Politico to put information out there like this about Cain and then not print the women's names.


They also omit what it is he allegedly did.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 05:09 PM

I guess this topic would fall into this category. Has anyone been following (and understand) this redistricting that the Republicans in various states are doing?

Last election I received in the mail a DVD on "Gerrymandering" which I really knew little about, but it explained to a degree how districts are determined. (kind of confusing)

Thing is, to my understanding, most of this occurs in mostly poor/Dem districts. A 92 yr old woman in TN was denied to vote after voting for years and years. She had supplied her birth certificate and other docs but she didn't have her marriage license (or some other doc) and they refused her. Is this legal??? confused

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 05:29 PM

TIS, to my knowledge states have statutes that provide recourse for potential voters who do not show up on voter registration lists. However, those statutes are not always remedial.

I'll bet that she was registered in a district that was redistricted. That wouldn't have anything to do with identification.

Gerrymandering goes back to the early 1800s. It's constitutional and Democrats and Republicans do it all the time.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Thing is, why would the Dems smear him. He'd be a dream candidate to run against Obama (well, maybe Perry would be also) lol

That's a good point. This whole field is a joke. But at the end of the day, it will be Romney. It has to be. The other nuts poll up; the other nuts poll down. Romney stays right where he is. And come next summer, it should be enough to get the nomination in what is quite possibly the weakest political field ever assembled, Republican OR Democrat.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 05:54 PM

It's not often that someone from Throggs Neck out of character states something accurate or intuitive, but you did PB.

Spread that wealth of thought throughout the borough.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
It's not often that someone from Throggs Neck out of character states something accurate or intuitive, but you did PB.

Spread that wealth of thought throughout the borough.

Spoken like a true Texan, by way of Bumblefuck, Pennsylvania tongue.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 06:25 PM

I'd comment but I am off to a Rotary Club meeting.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 06:37 PM

Thank your lucky stars that so many of we PA guys accepted Peace Corps assignments to Throggs Neck.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 06:42 PM

Wouldn't it be interesting to have a viable 3rd party candidate running this year - sort of like Perot in the 90s.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 06:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Wouldn't it be interesting to have a viable 3rd party candidate running this year - sort of like Perot in the 90s.


Have anyone in mind? I hear Joe Lieberman is available
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 06:56 PM

FYI, here's the story on the 96 year old (not 92) that had problems getting a photo ID to vote. Evidently, she needed to have documentation with her maiden name although it was typed on the birth certificate. All these years later? confused

She had a rent receipt, a copy of her lease, her voter registration card and her birth certificate and typewritten on the birth certificate was her maiden name, Dorothy Alexander.


TIS


http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-required-bureaucrat-tells/
Posted By: carmela

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 07:14 PM

^^^^ Sounds like what we go through for a driver's license renewal in NJ. You know...to drive my 2.3 cars all around town.

Back to the election, I hear it's a strong possibility that Ron Paul runs third party.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 07:19 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Wouldn't it be interesting to have a viable 3rd party candidate running this year - sort of like Perot in the 90s.


Have anyone in mind? I hear Joe Lieberman is available


If I had to name someone I would say Bloomberg. Too liberal for the right, too conservative for the left, has business experience.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 09:24 PM

It seems one of Cain's accusers wants to tell her side but is bound by an agreement not to talk about it. It does seem fair that if Cain tells his side, she should tell hers. Anyway, a lawyer is going to look at the agreement. And...the beat goes on. lol I'll bet she'll talk in the end.


TIS



http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigat...er_postpolitics
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 10:32 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
It seems one of Cain's accusers wants to tell her side but is bound by an agreement not to talk about it. It does seem fair that if Cain tells his side, she should tell hers. Anyway, a lawyer is going to look at the agreement. And...the beat goes on. lol I'll bet she'll talk in the end.


TIS



http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigat...er_postpolitics


She'll talk for the right price.

~I mean a settlement in free pizza isn't as awesome as its cracked up to be.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 10:33 PM

It's been shit on, but I think it's the right idea in trying to deal with a core campaign problem (you know, like opening your mouth in a debate.)

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/11 11:01 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso

They also omit what it is he allegedly did.


Per the last statements he made which I saw all he "remembers" doing is telling one woman she was about the same height as his wife and offering a ride to another woman to a business meeting.

Ahem.
I've known my share of crazy coworkers. I am no feminist but it's hard to believe that even a loony like Gloria Allred would take those comments or actions and run to HR. There must be more. Of course we won't hear it from Mr. Cain.

He ought to just stop answering questions about it because it's not a good topic for him. Per Politico Cain had at least 10 days foreknowledge of the story. That should have been time enough to come up with better responses and lose the deer in the headlights look.He's blaming the "liberal media" but (a) Politico is not liberal and (b) I think this leak came from the Republican side.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 12:19 AM

You're right Lilo. I've had to handle any number of such complaints from women. Many of them were incidental, but there almost always turned out to be more to it than what the guy said there was.

What Cain is saying is that two women lied, but there was enough substance to warrant his company reaching a settlement with them. Now, companies don't just hand out settlements to every woman who complains.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 12:24 PM

So what's the general consensus on this forum: republican or democrat?

Just wondering.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 12:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
So what's the general consensus on this forum: republican or democrat?

Just wondering.


I am nowhere near conservative and wouldn't vote for any of the current Republican candidates. I think the President, though he is a Democrat, is just barely to the left of previous Republican Presidents like Nixon or Ford. I think President Obama is at heart what used to be called a Rockefeller Republican. The Republican Party of today has undergone a red shift to the Right compared even to Reagan and definitely compared to the seventies. Most folks overlook that.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 01:06 PM

And I mentioned before but what gets me about Cain is the way that he says something unclear or just plain wrong and in follow up answers manages to clearly imply that the questioner is stupid.

Just once I'd like to see a reporter say "Hold on there. I'm not the one that managed to say he was pro-choice AND pro-life in the same sentence!"
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 02:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
I think the President, though he is a Democrat, is just barely to the left of previous Republican Presidents like Nixon or Ford. I think President Obama is at heart what used to be called a Rockefeller Republican.


That's interesting to hear. I thought he was considered to be a "socialist". If I remember correctly this was said by one of our reporters in the States. But maybe he heard it from angry republicans. smile

Quote:
The Republican Party of today has undergone a red shift to the Right compared even to Reagan and definitely compared to the seventies. Most folks overlook that.


Maybe that explains the existence of the tea party.

It's interesting to hear the opinions of Americans from themselves, instead of hearing it from journalists and other third parties.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 02:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Lilo
I think the President, though he is a Democrat, is just barely to the left of previous Republican Presidents like Nixon or Ford. I think President Obama is at heart what used to be called a Rockefeller Republican.


That's interesting to hear. I thought he was considered to be a "socialist". If I remember correctly this was said by one of our reporters in the States. But maybe he heard it from angry republicans. smile

Quote:
The Republican Party of today has undergone a red shift to the Right compared even to Reagan and definitely compared to the seventies. Most folks overlook that.


Maybe that explains the existence of the tea party.

It's interesting to hear the opinions of Americans from themselves, instead of hearing it from journalists and other third parties.


The only people who call him a "socialist" are the right wig crazies. He is definitely a centrist. Keep in mind Nixon wanted to have a single payor health care plan more radical than what Obama passed.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 03:35 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
The only people who call him a "socialist" are the right wig crazies. He is definitely a centrist. Keep in mind Nixon wanted to have a single payor health care plan more radical than what Obama passed.

Silly, right wing nonsense.

If you want to know if Obama is really a socialist, just ask a real socialist. They'd laugh at you and tell you that Obama is a capitalist pig.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 04:16 PM

By the way, did anyone see Joy Behar last night. Ann Coulter was on and part of her musings was that Repunlicans treat their blacks better than Democrats treat theirs.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Ann Coulter was on and part of her musings was that Repunlicans treat their blacks better than Democrats treat theirs.

Stop. Please. As far as I know, Coulter still has a lawn jockey in front of her house for good luck.

And speaking of luck, I'm surprised that Cain took it so well when she asked to rub his head.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 09:24 PM

CNN reports that a talk show host in Iowa and a Republican pollster there reported witnessing Cain making inappropriate comments in front of women at gatherings. There is also a third women alledging sexual harrassment.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 10:50 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardminiter/2011/11/02/herman-cain-sexual-harassment-leak/

Cain is blaming Perry. What happened to "It's the liberal media"? whistle
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 11:09 PM

Cain is having it both ways. He's stating that Perry's campaign leaked the info. But, he's stating that it is the Democrats that are enjoying the accusations the most ... for racial reasons. How about that one!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 11:17 PM

Heard a few minutes ago on MSNBC that Republicans would rather have Obama a 2nd term than have Romney for two terms. Hard to believe. I KNOW they hate Obama but that much hate toward Romney too ? confused



TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 11:23 PM

Yeah, Cain is a joke Olivant. He didn't know that China already had nuclear weapons.
panic

He obviously knew about these incidents in his past. I don't know what really happened, if anything. I would have to hear from the accusers.

But it shows that Cain didn't prepare a response, gets paralyzed at anything approaching a follow up question, and has a bit of a temper when challenged even slightly. And yes he needs to stop the racial martyrdom nonsense. There's no such thing as racism...except when I'm being questioned. Right Herman.

If it was Perry though maybe that explains why he was so giddy the other day...
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 11:28 PM

You know what's puzzling tho, up until yesterday, Cain's still leading in the polls. confused



TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/11 11:29 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Heard a few minutes ago on MSNBC that Republicans would rather have Obama a 2nd term than have Romney for two terms. Hard to believe. I KNOW they hate Obama but that much hate toward Romney too ? confused
TIS


I think Romney would be a tough sale for some conservatives TIS.
He is a bit of a flip flopper extraordinaire. Hardcore conservatives may worry about whether or not he would sell them out. The similarities between the Massachusetts Health Care Act and the Presidents Affordable Health Care act are bothersome to many conservatives.

The other issue which is mostly running under the surface but is nonetheless important to some (not all) evangelicals is that Romney is a Mormon. Most of the people who feel this way are likely in the lower Midwest or South , which would vote Republican anyway so it may not hurt Romney's chances in general election that much if he got the nomination.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/11 03:48 AM

So 5 women now Herman?

Yeah now it's over.

(Thing was, I think I might agree with him that Perry's people leaked this.)
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/11 03:58 AM

If Perry's people leaked this, the question is from whom did they get the info.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/11 04:48 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
If Perry's people leaked this, the question is from whom did they get the info.


Campaigns hire P.I.s to both investigate both their candidate's (potential) skeletons in the closet and dig up dirt on the competition.

I don't see Romney being behind this because there is no benefit for him if Cain topples. Hell it hurts him since Perry is a more believable nomination threat than Cain, and Perry is the one most to benefit. That is assuming his people were behind it, and we have no proof, only speculation.

Of course, maybe the GOP establishment did this to eliminate the "joke" fringe candidate out of the way before the primaries or maybe to help Romney's passage...I don't know.

I'm curious though. If Cain in polling does suffer for this gravehole he's digging for himself, who gets those votes? Perry? Newt? Bachmann?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/11 12:22 PM

Rick Perry's Genius PR Move

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...nto-virtue.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/11 04:05 PM

So before Cain picked up his shovel and buried himself, Rasmussen polled GOP South Carolina, and Cain was winning by 10 over Mittens.

(New polling question: Above/Under 10 women come forward w/ accusations?)
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/11 11:06 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
So before Cain picked up his shovel and buried himself, Rasmussen polled GOP South Carolina, and Cain was winning by 10 over Mittens.

(New polling question: Above/Under 10 women come forward w/ accusations?)


Under 10. smile
9 women
9 complaints
in 9 different states....

9-9-9
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/11 11:07 PM

This was a worthwhile read albeit long.
Handicapping Obama's Chances
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/11 06:09 PM

Ill advised timing by Clinton. He could have waited until after the election next year to write this. But then again, Bubba hates being out of the spotlight rolleyes.

A party divided? Former President Clinton rips Obama on debt ceiling, taxes

Bubba says Barack should have handled debt-ceiling debate differently

BY Jonathan Lemire
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Bill Clinton believes Barack Obama can get the country out of its current “mess” - but he also isn't shy about dishing out some tough love for the current occupant of the White House.

Clinton writes in a new book that the country was left “weak and confused” after the summer’s debt-ceiling debate debacle and puts some of the blame on Obama.

Clinton believes that Obama should have passed the debt increase before the Democrats lost control of Congress in 2010.

That embarrassing mid-term defeat could have been avoided, Clinton argues in the book entitled “Back to Work.”

“The Democrats did not counter the national Republican message with one of their own,” Clinton writes in the book, which is released Tuesday. The Associated Press obtained an advance copy.

“There was no national advertising campaign to explain and defend what they had done and to compare their agenda for the next two years with the GOP proposals,” writes Clinton, who claims he advocated for a clear message.

“We couldn’t persuade the decision makers to do so,” he writes.

The former president praises Obama’s for his work to pull the nation out of the deep recession - an economic crisis that Clinton blames firmly on the administration of George W. Bush.

Clinton, who frequently sparred with Obama when the then-Illinois Senator challenged Hillary Clinton in the 2008 presidential primaries, long ago softened his tone toward the Commander-in-Chief.

Clinton and Obama’s relationship has warmed in recent years, and the two men recently golfed together - a match that Obama won, officials said.

But Clinton has never been one to miss a chance to extol the accomplishments of his own administration and does so again in the new book.

He notes the economic growth and low unemployment rate during his eight years in office and claims that Wall Street bankers - many of whom have cooled on Obama - even allowed Clinton to raise their taxes.

“Many of them supported me...because I didn’t attack them for their success,” Clinton writes.

In the book, the former president makes several recommendations to turn the American economy around, including major investments in green energy and infrastructure improvements.

But he notes that it won’t be easy for Obama to persuade the Republican-controlled House of Representatives.

“He has a tough hand to play,” Clinton writes.

He also suggests the country’s recovery has been slowed by the anti-government sentiment espoused by the Tea Party.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/11 02:47 AM

THE WOODLANDS, Texas (AP) — Republican presidential contender Herman Cain grew agitated with reporters after a debate with Newt Gingrich and is vowing to never answer questions about allegations of sexual harassment a decade ago.

Speaking after a one-on-one debate with rival Gingrich on Saturday, Cain cut off reporters who asked about allegations of sexual harassment and suggested journalists who wanted answers were behaving unethically.

When one reporter tried to ask a question about the allegations, Cain cut him off. When another asked him if he planned to never address the allegations, he replied "you got it."
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/11 11:48 AM

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 10:22 AM

The latest allegations against Cain are really more akin to assault than harassment. It's hard to believe that someone wouldn't have reported stuff like that at the time it happened.

On the other hand the fact that the accuser is willing to go public gives more credibility than anonymous whispers from the shadows.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 05:53 PM

Newt's surging in Iowa!

Quote:
Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich has jumped into second place in Iowa, ahead of Mitt Romney, according to a poll released Monday.

An automated poll conducted by We Ask America, found that 18 percent of likely caucus goers would vote for Gingrich if the caucuses were held today. Cain is still in first place with 22 percent, despite weathering a week of sexual harassment allegations. Gingrich edges out Mitt Romney, who is in third at 15 percent.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/07/the-co.../#ixzz1d8aU4NaO
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 06:05 PM

And Rick Perry is nowhere to be found.

Btw, did you see the SNL skit on Perry? Hilarious.

lol

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
The latest allegations against Cain are really more akin to assault than harassment. It's hard to believe that someone wouldn't have reported stuff like that at the time it happened.

On the other hand the fact that the accuser is willing to go public gives more credibility than anonymous whispers from the shadows.


I'm surprised our own pizzaboy hasn't hyperventilated at seeing the madam ambulance chaser herself Gloria Allred up on that stage. You only hire her (or more like she hires herself to your cause) if good money and publicity is involved.

Of course that's besides the point in something like the Cain scandal. It's not so much incidental as much as reading the pattern that emerges. Said woman above who went in front of the cameras the other day may or may not be have been groped/assaulted by Mr. Cain. It's he said/she said, who knows?

But then you compound that with the four other accusers? There's a fire.

Of course a recent poll found that 70% of GOP primary voters claim that the Cain scandal has no impact on their vote. They don't give a crap. Which must explain why Cain hasn't lost his poll mojo so far.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 06:15 PM

According to her, "he reached under her skirt and reached for her genitals and then tried to pull her head to his crotch." eek
eek

I can not imagine any woman willing to make a statement like that if it's not true. If she is lying she's really got a a lot of nerve and s/b punished, BUT if she isn't that is more of a sexual assault if you ask me. However, I understand it's too late to press criminal charges anyway AND you do have to wonder why she didn't in the first place.

Btw, FWY, yesterday it was reported that this woman is a registered Republican who last saw Cain at a Tea Party event not too long ago.


TIS

Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 06:37 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I understand it's too late to press criminal charges anyway AND you do have to wonder why she didn't in the first place.

For the same reason that many sexual assaults go unreported - the process is pretty awful, and it's like being victimized all over again.

Of course there's a chance that she's lying, but like Ronnie said, where there's smoke there's fire.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I understand it's too late to press criminal charges anyway AND you do have to wonder why she didn't in the first place.

For the same reason that many sexual assaults go unreported - the process is pretty awful, and it's like being victimized all over again.

Of course there's a chance that she's lying, but like Ronnie said, where there's smoke there's fire.


That's true. To be clear, I am trying to see both sides of the issue. But you are correct, no woman wants to go thru the process of having their reputation and name go down the shit hole which is what will happen if it ever came to trial. frown


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 06:51 PM

Fox just interviewed a woman who witnessed Bielak meeting Cain, I think, recently. She stated that Bielak did her best to isolate the two and it was her impression that she was confronting Cain about the harrassment.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 10:39 PM

I'm listening to Herman Cain's press conference. In his initial statement he only addressed the accusation by Bielak and stated that he could not remember her. However, he denied the allegations. In response to questions from reporters he stated that he would submit to a polygraph exam if he thought it would prove anything. He stated that the complaints by two women who filed sexual harrassment claims against Cain at the NRA were found to be baseless. He also when asked, restated his story about the height gesture encounter with one of his accusers at the NRA

What is missing from all of this are the display of any documents that reveal what was alledged or Cain's demand/request that those documents be released by the NRA.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 10:46 PM

He repeated the story of the one accusation he claims to know about in which he says that he told a woman she was the same height as his wife, gesturing with his hand. He never explained how that could have been sexual harassment. confused I have a strong feeling this simply won't matter to his followers.



BTW, I wanna know who was clapping at the end of this. confused

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 11:08 PM

TIS, drip, drip, drip. This isn't going away. However, Cain will not get the nomination. Although his support remains unchanged, it is not increasing. Also, Fox reports that for now the big donors are waiting to see what happens.

Again, if the finding by the NRA was indeed baseless, then just urge the NRA to release relevant documents.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/11 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
TIS, drip, drip, drip. This isn't going away. However, Cain will not get the nomination. Although his support remains unchanged, it is not increasing.


Isn't that Romney's problem too?

Originally Posted By: olivant
Also, Fox reports that for now the big donors are waiting to see what happens.

Again, if the finding by the NRA was indeed baseless, then just urge the NRA to release relevant documents.


Agree on the NRA.

Apparently I'm a minority according to the webs, but you've gotta give applause to that bullshit performance. Calm, firm, didn't lose his shit, and with attitude at this sink or swim juncture. I love him calling those women liars in public, who (as of right now with the NRA) can't rebute him legally.

I had two thoughts: wouldn't surprise me if The Neocons loved this shit. (that Fox News reporter asking about "the conspiracy" doesn't help that observation.) I could even see Cain supporters throw snides at Romney for never showing that much public "backbone" when the mainstream currents were against him.

But the other is, man the White House would gladly lose a nut for the chance to run against Mr. Cain.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/11 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: olivant
TIS, drip, drip, drip. This isn't going away. However, Cain will not get the nomination. Although his support remains unchanged, it is not increasing.




Apparently I'm a minority according to the webs, but you've gotta give applause to that bullshit performance. Calm, firm, didn't lose his shit, and with attitude at this sink or swim juncture. I love him calling those women liars in public, who (as of right now with the NRA) can't rebute him legally.

I had two thoughts: wouldn't surprise me if The Neocons loved this shit. (that Fox News reporter asking about "the conspiracy" doesn't help that observation.) I could even see Cain supporters throw snides at Romney for never showing that much public "backbone" when the mainstream currents were against him.

But the other is, man the White House would gladly lose a nut for the chance to run against Mr. Cain.


RR, I kind of feel as you do. I don't know that he'll end up winning BUT I wouldn't be shocked that his approval goes up a point or two. They blame everyone, including the Dems at one time. Why oh why would the Dems want to push Cain out?

Hell, I say let him get the nomination. Cain would be the dream candidate for the Obama camp. lol

That being said, I hear there is yet another woman coming out tomorrow.

TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/11 12:46 AM

Herman Cain's top pickup lines

1) Would you like your crust stuffed?

2) You know you get sausage with that order.

3) It's salty but it's good for you.

4) You know you're the same height as my wife...which makes you PERFECT for this maneuver I read about in the Kama Sutra

5) You want a job, don't you???
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/11 09:02 PM

So Mississippi defeated that silly "Personhood" measure.

Ohio defeating the anti-Union curbing bill was a surprise. Romney was probably wise initially to not commit himself to that losing issue, but he was forced by the Neocons to commit against it. Now he's got a memorable plank against him in an important swing state.

(Hey Mitt, try having some balls for once. It would do you some good.)
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 09:32 AM

Quote:
If trophies were being awarded for pomposity in these debates, Newt Gingrich would have a sagging shelf full. Gingrich's endless snits over almost every single question he is asked represent an enormous waste of time. No wonder he's calling for three-hour Lincoln-Douglas-style debates -- his petulance demands a bigger platform than any cable news program can supply. If his poll numbers continue to grow, he can expect to gain additional air-time in the debates. Will it make him any less unpleasant? Doubtful.

Debate Recap
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 09:44 AM

To be fair to Cain, one of the women accusing him of harassment, Karen Kraushaar, also filed a complaint, later dropped, at the INS, of sexually offensive email circulation that included that hoary old joke "If men were computers, if women were were computers..". rolleyes

So there are some women out there that will make a mountain out of a molehill and try to get paid.Could Kraushaar be one of them? It souund possible. She is the woman to who Cain admits making the height comparison comment. FWIW her lawyer says Kraushaar did not file a complaint about Cain based on that alone and that there was much much more. We'll see.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 12:20 PM

I didn't think it was possible but there is someone who can make George W. Bush look smart. ... Rick Perry. Check out this vid from the Republican Party debate of 11/9/11.


Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 12:26 PM

And one to which we can all relate here:



(Perry telling fellow candidate Ron Paul to get out of his face in an earlier debate)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 02:56 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
I didn't think it was possible but there is someone who can make George W. Bush look smart. ... Rick Perry.\


What made that funny in a cringeworthy CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM moment wasn't Perry forgetting one of the three executive departments he wants eliminated, but subsequently forgetting one he already named ("Commerce"). Dude you just said it, how could you forget it?

We also got to give Cain a gold medal for bullshit in his answer about the scandal, and getting hearty applause for it. I wonder if the current CW that the consequence of the scandal isn't Cain losing points due to it, but Newt gaining them, might be legit?

What took my notice, and which the media has ignored, was that entire field absolutely having nothing to say, or even pretending to act like they have the intellectual confidence when the question about the possible looming financial meltdown in Europe.

(Though I laughed at Romney somehow mentioning his ties to the Church LDS as some sort of answer to his frequent flip-flopping.)
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 03:08 PM

How freekin' embarrassing! I'll bet Perry could not wait to get the hell off the stage. lol I swear it's a toss up between him and Bush for intelligence.

As far as Michigan goes, I really really have to wonder how Romney will fair with his not wanting to help the auto industry. I'm thinking that's a HUGE minus for him. Yet, his father was Governor there, and I believe Mitt was born/raised in MI and many times the tie to a State is a plus for the candidate. Interesting to see how it plays out. confused

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 04:25 PM

Freddie Mac paid Newt $300,000 as paid PR speaker

http://www.frumforum.com/history-contradicts-newts-memory
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 04:33 PM

Embarrassing.

That a President who has been as mediocre as Obama is a virtual shoo-in next year speaks volumes about just how bad this Republican field really is. I just don't know how anyone could vote for one of the current Republicans in good conscience.

They're doing the impossible:

They're making Dubya look like the brains of the operation! lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 05:13 PM

Mr. Cain, as impersonated by Iron Mike.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/10/mike-tyson-herman-cain-pizza/
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 05:40 PM

And Cain, in the midst of a scandal about his treatment of women, refers to former Speaker Pelosi as "Princess Nancy"? Really? Tried to back off that, though, didn't he?? I have no love for Pelosi, but that is a fairly disrespectful way to refer to anyone.

I decided that Perry should have "Oops" engraved on his tombstone.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 06:14 PM

Now this is big news for the White House.

Gallup's new poll, Independent voting preference between Obama and generic Republican candidate is tied at 38%. Why is that a big deal? Because just two months ago, the generic GOP candidate was beating Obama by 23 points among Independents.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150677/Obama-Back-Even-Generic-Republican-Candidate.aspx
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 06:19 PM

Yeah, just a few months ago Independents were begging for a reason to vote against Obama. Now how could they?

Like I've said about the current Republicans fifty other times:

Worst. Field. Ever.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 07:22 PM

PB, your post above states 1:19. Do you remember what time it was when you actually posted it?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 08:06 PM

1:19 sounds about right, Oli.

Is your timestamp off or something?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/11 08:16 PM

The second time I read your post my computer clock stated 1:19. However, I had read it quite a bit before. I've noticed the Board psot times seem to change from the time at which I read them.
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/11 03:41 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Embarrassing.... They're making Dubya look like the brains of the operation! lol




First thing that popped into my mind! grin

Signor V.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/11 04:03 AM

SV - Ha! smile

~Vote Abby Normal '12!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/11 04:00 PM

I guess Perry was on Letterman last night and did the top ten list. And Cain, well he continues on his merry way still coming in second (in some polls I hear First) place. All I can say is it would totally suck to be a Republican right now (no offense). tongue


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/11 04:13 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I guess Perry was on Letterman last night and did the top ten list. And Cain, well he continues on his merry way still coming in second (in some polls I hear First) place. All I can say is it would totally suck to be a Republican right now (no offense). tongue


TIS


Cain should send a case of champagne to JoePa for taking him off the news this week.

Oh and race baiting time!

Cain is "Real Black," Obama is "Phoney Black"

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mcc...is-phony-black/
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/11 04:23 PM

I read recently someone said that Cain is the angry black man that they tried to make Obama out to be.

Also, I think Cain should run as an Indy if he doesn't get the nomination. He'd be the Republican Ralph Nader spoiler no?

smile

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/11 05:58 PM

He probably would be TIS if he ran as an independent. But his posture, his demeanor even when he's saying something relatively inconsequential is aggressive, too sggressive for most of us especially when it's seen side by side with someone like Romney or Obama.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/11 11:16 PM

new Rasmussen poll has Romney and Obama tied. Why is this important? Because Rasmussen is the GOP's favorite poll, which incidentally compared to other polls has a more white, conservative older sample. (You know, a place you would expect Romney to clean up with an easy layup?)

Meanwhile a CBS poll on the GOP primary has Cain leading at 18%, followed by Mittens and Newt each at 15%. A statistical tie.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/1821

EDIT - the full CBS poll:

Cain- 18%
Romney- 15%
Gingrich- 15%
Perry- 8%
Paul- 5%
Bachman- 4%
Santorum- 2%
Huntsman- 1%

Someone Else- 14%
Undecided- 17%
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/11 11:37 PM

The number undecided is just about the same percentage as the front runner no? lol



TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/11 12:02 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I guess Perry was on Letterman last night and did the top ten list. And Cain, well he continues on his merry way still coming in second (in some polls I hear First) place. All I can say is it would totally suck to be a Republican right now (no offense). tongue


TIS


Cain should send a case of champagne to JoePa for taking him off the news this week.

Oh and race baiting time!

Cain is "Real Black," Obama is "Phoney Black"

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mcc...is-phony-black/


Victor Hanson is actually a relatively decent classical historian. But as a political scientist or sociologist he's an abject failure. He has no ability to speak on what is "genuinely black". So many conservatives go there and seemingly have no interest or concern as to how truly offensive that is.

Quiet as its kept since about 1992, the Jewish vote has broken close to 80% Democratic in every Presidential election-even before that with a few exceptions it was usually at least 60-80% Democratic. But can we imagine Republicans telling Jewish voters that they need to get off the "Democratic Death Camps" or that this person or that person is "inauthentically Jewish" ? To ask the question is to answer it.

A black conservative who actually knows Cain has a very good piece about why modern conservatives stay losing among black voters. You can read it here. And it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with southern cadences or darker complexions. How moronic. mad
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/11 03:53 PM

I guess Neocons don't subscribe to the one drop rule.

Hanson is actually an otherwisw bright guy. That's the scary thing, they're not ALL stupid.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/11 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Meanwhile a CBS poll on the GOP primary has Cain leading at 18%, followed by Mittens and Newt each at 15%. A statistical tie.

If we're going to put any stock in the polls, then you have to consider how Cain is in an absolute tailspin with women voters (especially after the Pelosi remarks).

It will be Romney. Whether or not it's even close in the general election depends on whether or not the far righties decide to back him (and I don't think they will). If Romney ends up getting the support of, say, a Rush Limbaugh, then it might get interesting. But he'll still lose.
Posted By: carmela

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/11 04:35 PM

With regard to Cain, my feelings are, I don't care about his sex life. I didn't care about Clinton's sex life either. I cared that he lied under oath. Cain's indiscretions are his wife's problem. Now, if he's lying about it...that's our problem. We don't need another lying douchebag in the White House, that's for sure.
That being said, what exactly passes for sexual harrassment these days is silly. Cain is married and is in some deep shit with his wife, no doubt. But flirting, is hardly sexual harrassment. Sexual assault is a crime, but supposedly that's not what happened here. Each woman claims being hit on and rejecting him, and it never went any farther than that, and that no meant no. That's not harrassment, imo. That's the nature of the beast.

Yes, it's morally wrong, but again, if that's all it was, it's not worth him dropping out over and as long as i'm not his wife, I could give a shit care less. If he's LYING about the facts now, then I have a problem.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/11 04:41 PM

Yeah, I think that sums it up perfectly, Carmela. And if he's lying, he'll be found out. That's the nature of the political beast today.

I mean, let's be honest. If John or Bobby Kennedy were in the public eye during today's 24 hour media, they'd be toast. God never made two bigger whoremongers.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/13/11 12:14 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

If we're going to put any stock in the polls, then you have to consider how Cain is in an absolute tailspin with women voters (especially after the Pelosi remarks).


Interesting.

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy


It will be Romney. Whether or not it's even close in the general election depends on whether or not the far righties decide to back him (and I don't think they will). If Romney ends up getting the support of, say, a Rush Limbaugh, then it might get interesting. But he'll still lose.


I'll post if I find it, but I read a poll result that Mittens has only 45% approval rating among GOPers.

I also wonder too about that failed Personhood Amendment. Romney has done his best to run away from that extremist Pro-Life issue like the plague, and why wouldn't he? A bill that would ban IVF and most contraception? If Mississippi can't pass that, it surely won't pass anywhere else. Yet its going on the ballot in '12 in major battleground states like Florida.

I could see the White House paint Romney as a pro-life extremist, being in support of the Personhood Amendment. Mittens would inevitbly deny (not easy since Romney's flip-flop reputation has gotten the best of him), but then have to delicately dance with that very pro-life base of his: Please vote for me, even though I don't support your current celebre cause.

Didn't help that his unveiled medicare/social security reform plan is almost a mirror of the publicly-despised Ryan plan. Raising the enrollment age and cutting funds may be necessary to reform that system, but try selling that to the public in an election.

Of course, its a whole year away.

EDIT - GOP Insider claims Mittens has Iowa in the bag.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...op-insider.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/13/11 12:22 AM

Apparently Cain's fundraising has gone way up since the last debate, even if new comments like this might not help his female polling.

Quote:
On Friday, a supporter asked [Herman Cain] about Clarence Thomas accuser Anita Hill, and Cain nearly doubled over laughing as he replied, “Is she going to endorse me?”


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...anita-hill.html
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/13/11 06:03 PM

There is a NYT Sunday magazine article about Cain that makes for some entertaining reading.

It was originally published online here.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/13/11 07:47 PM

Great article by Carl Hiaasen in today's Miami Herald.

GOP laff-fest coming soon to our state
By CARL HIAASEN, The Miami Herald

When Florida’s Republican 2012 presidential primary was moved up to Jan. 31, the reaction was mixed.

Some voters were glad to getting past it sooner than later. Others were dismayed that the holiday season would be polluted by vicious campaign commercials and distracting barnstorm visits from candidates.

Now it’s clear that many of us underestimated the redemptive entertainment value of the GOP race. Floridians are in need of a good laugh, and this particular ensemble will deliver plenty of those.

Rick Perry, the Texas governor, spent last week denying that he was drunk or high when he gave a speech punctuated by odd giggles and twitches in New Hampshire.

The video has become a YouTube sensation, and it’s hilarious stuff — at least until you consider that this goober might someday have his finger on the button that controls America’s nuclear arsenal.

In the governor’s defense, his campaign staff said that Perry was simply being “passionate” in front of the New Hampshire crowd.

Jerry Garcia liked to perform in a passionate state, too. Before he went onstage with the Grateful Dead, he’d go straight to his dressing room and drop some heavy passion.

After that weird speech, Perry’s strategic mistake was claiming to be straight when it happened. He should have just said, “Yeah, OK, I had a few beers.” Or even, “Shoot, I must’ve accidentally popped a Xanax instead of my Lipitor.”

Then people would have thought: Oh, that explains it.

But the possibility that he was totally sober isn’t quite as funny. In fact, it’s semi-terrifying.

This isn’t the sergeant-at-arms of your local Kiwanis Club, who’s nervous about speaking in public. This is a career politician who wants to be the freaking commander-in-chief of the United States.

With Perry polling only slightly ahead of Dr. Conrad Murray, the New Hampshire debacle should have sunk his hopes for the White House. No way. The Texan will be rolling full steam into Florida, and for that we have Herman Cain to thank.

Last week it was revealed that the pizza king-turned-frontrunner had been twice formally named in sexual-harassment complaints when he was head of the National Restaurant Association. (There was a time in this great nation’s history when a background in franchise-food services wasn’t considered a springboard to the U.S. presidency, but this is a new day.)

Cain denied the damaging charges and accused his rival Perry of leaking the information to the press. Things can only get uglier between now and January, which means Floridians can look forward to a blaring, venomous, low-class campaign.

The trick is to not to get depressed, but rather to enjoy the show for what it is.

Michele Bachmann will be here, and God only knows what will come out of her mouth. Don’t be surprised if she confuses the Seminole tribe with the Apaches.

And then there’s under-sedated Rick Santorum, moldy Newt Gingrich, invisible Jon Huntsman and the dependably amusing Ron Paul, who hovers like a benign but addled Yoda on the fringe of every debate.

The race is Mitt Romney’s to win. All he has to do is appear halfway sane, which should be easy considering the competition.

Romney’s biggest hurdle will be trying to explain his pandemic flip-flopping, and that might prove impossible. His best shot at victory is to stick with two basic talking points:

1. Obama’s a terrible president.

2. I’ll be a terrific president.

As Cain and Perry stumble, a Romney win is looking like a done deal. However, Florida is a land of unpleasant surprises, where frontrunners can crash and burn.

Ask Gary Hart, whose bid for the Democratic nomination began unraveling with his antics aboard a Miami yacht called Monkey Business in 1987. Less titillating but equally final was the collapse of Rudy Giuliani during the last presidential campaign.

The former New York mayor staked everything on winning Florida, and he virtually camped out here for weeks. But the more stump speeches he gave and the more hands he shook, the lower he dropped in the polls. To know Rudy was to lose interest.

As a result, John McCain captured the state, and ultimately the Republican nomination.

Romney is less prickly than Giuliani and he definitely has better hair, no small advantage in national politics. His advisers will coach him to stand tall, stay cool and avoid getting dragged into the mud pit with Cain, Perry and the others.

However, the mud pit is where all the fun happens. That’s why so many TV viewers are watching the GOP debates, waiting for somebody to melt down or fly into orbit.

People say they want civility in politics but that’s a pipe dream. The presidential campaign is way too long and silly.

Being connoisseurs of the absurd, Floridians should welcome the candidates as fountains of comic relief. For voters here, the road to the primary will be difficult to endure without a sense of humor, or 50 milligrams of “passion.”

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/11/05/2487579/gop-laff-fest-coming-soon-to-our.html#ixzz1dcHzwNSE
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/14/11 05:03 PM

I hardly ever even use my cell phone but this is simply too funny to me at least not to have as my new ringtone.

Herman Cain Excuse Me Ringtone
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/14/11 06:08 PM

New CNN Poll: Romney leads at 24%, followed by Newt at 22%. Cain has fallen to 14%.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 11/14/11 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
New CNN Poll: Romney leads at 24%, followed by Newt at 22%. Cain has fallen to 14%.



newt at 22%?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/14/11 06:50 PM

Yes our boy Newt.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/14/11 06:56 PM

Harold Bloom wrote an editorial on Romney, Mormonism and religion that ran in Sunday NYT.

Quote:
THIS fall, we behold omens that will darken a year hence in the final phase of President Obama’s campaign for a second term. His likely opponent, the Mormon Mitt Romney, will be a pioneer figure whatever the outcome, since no previous member of that very American church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, has ever secured a major-party nomination. Even should Mr. Obama triumph, a crucial precedent will have been established.

Mr. Romney, earnest and staid, who is deep within the labyrinthine Mormon hierarchy, is directly descended from an early follower of the founding prophet Joseph Smith, whose highly original revelation was as much a departure from historical Christianity as Islam was and is. But then, so in fact are most manifestations of what is now called religion in the United States, including the Southern Baptist Convention, the Assemblies of God Pentecostalists and even our mainline Protestant denominations...


Breakthrough
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 11/15/11 11:22 AM

This is funny.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/16/11 12:15 AM

I have been on both sides of the interview table as have many here I am sure.
What happened with Mr. Cain was obviously someone who wasn't ready for the question, didn't know the answer and was trying desperately to pull the "correct" answer from the interviewer. When that didn't work he fell back on tried and true answers, that really didn't have much to do with the question.

I've seen interview responses like that. The correct answer, instead of trying to bs people is to say "I don't know" and move on. Unfortunately for Cain, saying "I don't know" is not really an acceptable answer for a presidential candidate, especially one that is as full of himself as he is. The interviewer is RARELY fooled by attempts to bs, especially ones as pathetic as Cain's.

This is funny of course but it shows what happens when people aren't prepared AND when people only engage with one side of the political spectrum. Even if you despise some people's POV you should at least be familiar with their arguments so that you can debunk them. Cain has clearly only one note to play "It's all Obama's fault". That's what happens when you only listen to one side-in Cain's case -conservative talk radio.

Cain must be a HORRIBLE poker player. I would love to play against him. He has so many "tells" when he's nervous or lying-remarkably increased blinking rate, jaw tightening, looking up and away, repeating what was just said to him. Classic.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/16/11 12:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo


Cain must be a HORRIBLE poker player. I would love to play against him. He has so many "tells" when he's nervous or lying-remarkably increased blinking rate, jaw tightening, looking up and away, repeating what was just said to him. Classic.



Yea, he probably would have 3 "9s" up his sleeve somewhere. lol Couldn't resist.


TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/16/11 02:02 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Lilo


Cain must be a HORRIBLE poker player. I would love to play against him. He has so many "tells" when he's nervous or lying-remarkably increased blinking rate, jaw tightening, looking up and away, repeating what was just said to him. Classic.



Yea, he probably would have 3 "9s" up his sleeve somewhere. lol Couldn't resist.
TIS

lol lol lol
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/16/11 06:15 PM

Rick Perry stated that as President he would cut the pay of members of Congress by half (to $80-90,000 annually) and that of the President (to $200,000). He also states that he will reduce the tenure to just a few years at a time.

Of course, it irritates the hell out of me when candidates state proposals as if there are not two other branches of government. Presidents cannot effect either of the abovecited proposals without the approval of Congress. That affecting judges would require a Constitutional amendment.

Such proposals are vacuous and greatly reduce my respect for a candidate.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/16/11 09:35 PM

URBANDALE, Iowa -- Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich acknowledged an extended consulting relationship with mortgage giant Freddie Mac, though he said he couldn't verify just how much he or his firm received in fees.

Gingrich denied having lobbied on behalf of the mortgage giant, but said his staff was looking into a Bloomberg News report that said Gingrich "made between $1.6 and $1.8 million in consulting fees" in his work for Freddie Mac between 1999 and 2008.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/16/11 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Rick Perry stated that as President he would cut the pay of members of Congress by half (to $80-90,000 annually) and that of the President (to $200,000). He also states that he will reduce the tenure to just a few years at a time.

Of course, it irritates the hell out of me when candidates state proposals as if there are not two other branches of government. Presidents cannot effect either of the abovecited proposals without the approval of Congress. That affecting judges would require a Constitutional amendment.

Such proposals are vacuous and greatly reduce my respect for a candidate.


This does however boast Perry's efforts to be elected to the SCOTUS.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/16/11 11:22 PM

Why Newt could succede?

Quote:
Yet this logic misses the secret of Gingrich’s current appeal. The former speaker is less a traditional conservative than he is a kind of right-wing futurist, most at home rhapsodizing about computer revolutions and brain science breakthroughs. But whereas most right-wing futurists tend to be libertarians who take a somewhat jaundiced view of partisan politics, for Gingrich civilization itself hangs in the balance in every election cycle. The glittering future he descries can only be won through a confrontation with the enemies of progress – namely, liberal Democrats.


http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/the-second-coming-of-gingrich/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/17/11 09:27 PM

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/17/11 09:33 PM

Anyone think Newt would take the two spot under Romney?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/17/11 10:00 PM

I think he'd take whatever he could get. lol Btw, does he speak Cuban? lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/11 12:28 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Anyone think Newt would take the two spot under Romney?


Better question: Why would Mitt offer it to him?

I know '04 and '08 have spoiled us, but otherwise historically nominees don't pick their defeated primary rivals as running mates.

Actually, more and more, I wonder if the hypothetical GOP '12 ticket already speculated here in this thread will be a repeat of '08 where the base is more excited by the VP pick than the actual guy running for President.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/11 12:33 AM

Perry funds dry up after gaffes and dip in polls

http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/11/perry-funds-dry-up-after-gaffes-and-dip-in-polls/
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/11 01:06 AM

If Romney is the nominee, he may very well recruit Kasich as VP to try and secure Ohio. As usual, the election will probably come down to Ohio.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/11 11:59 AM

It seems like the major bankers have already decided that Obama would stay on as President.

Any of these Republican candidates will be crushed.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/11 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
It seems like the major bankers have already decided that Obama would stay on as President.

Any of these Republican candidates will be crushed.


Allegedly, corporate profits are at a record high.

Which is like both the best and worst news rolled into one.

Originally Posted By: olivant
If Romney is the nominee, he may very well recruit Kasich as VP to try and secure Ohio. As usual, the election will probably come down to Ohio.


The same Kasich who fronted the flop Senate Bill 5 that Romney tried his damn best to run away from before forced to back it by the base?

Romney/Kasich would practically cede that state away.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/11 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Allegedly, corporate profits are at a record high.

That's true, Ronnie.

Occupy what?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/11 04:52 PM

Quote:
"Instead of sitting on our thumbs, wishing Ronald Reagan were around, or chasing the latest mechanical rabbit flashed by the media, conservatives ought to start rallying around Romney as the only Republican who has a shot at beating Obama. We'll attack him when he's president,"
- Anne Coulter, November 16th.

Quote:
"If you don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we'll lose,"
- Ann Coulter, February 12th.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/11 05:07 PM

Well, as much as I hate that twat, her November quote does make sense if you're a Republican.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/11 05:45 PM

It's surreal (if pathetic) seeing such a purist hack pundit backing the perfect definition of a RINO, a man who once promised to be more pro-Gay than Ted Kennedy, and the father the HCR that passed through Congress, oh and a member of a Christian-affiliated "cult" religion.

Yet as the biggest RINO of that primaries, the other candidates have been disqualified by the base for lesser RINO offenses. (Cain got more heat from the base for his past public thoughts on unions than for the female problem.) Sad too that a solid candidate with a better resume in Huntsman was never given a chance, only because he believed in trying to drag the party from 1981 to 2011 on Gays and Immigration. Seriously he was the governor of fuckin' Utah, what more conservative credentials do you need?

(Or for that matter, ignored by the base whether by choice or through their usual ignorance, Romney's foreign policy pounded at the last debate is practically the same as the current administration.)
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/11 05:59 PM

I hear you, Ronnie. But it just looks like a lot of their base would rather put up with only four more years of Obama, as opposed to eight full years of Romney. Coulter has obviously chosen to go in the other direction. But I doubt that a Michael Savage or a Glenn Beck will do likewise.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/11 06:45 PM

Besides the economy, the other major issue in Ohio will be the health care law about which Ohioans have already expressed their collective opinion. Unlike collective bargaining, it is a national issue and Kasich may be the Republican candidate's best shot to secure Ohio.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/11 01:26 AM

Cain suggests Taliban running Libya

http://news.yahoo.com/cain-suggests-taliban-running-libya-002006496.html
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/11 12:05 PM

I know this is not entirely election based but it does concern Mr. Obama, who i saw was in Australia this week driving the poor woman leader of Oz into a frenzy (she appeared unable to keep her hands off him, the poor old biddy).

Anyways i read that he said that the US has no stronger or better ally thatn Australia? What happened to us?? I am sure he has said the same thing about the UK? Now i know words come easy to politicians and he has to keep Oz sweet to have as a base for when we go to war with China whistle......

But in the meantime, the next Arab country we go to war with, will Australia be the number one ally??

Notice how i keep saying we here??

I know its all politics but i had to raise a quizzical eyebrow at this!! A bit like Roger Moore in the old James Bond movies smile

P.S. I hasten to add that i say this with no animosity towards Oz, which is a great country and should be on board.....with us - theres that "we" again..... tongue
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/11 12:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
I know this is not entirely election based but it does concern Mr. Obama, who i saw was in Australia this week driving the poor woman leader of Oz into a frenzy (she appeared unable to keep her hands off him, the poor old biddy).

Anyways i read that he said that the US has no stronger or better ally thatn Australia? What happened to us?? I am sure he has said the same thing about the UK? Now i know words come easy to politicians and he has to keep Oz sweet to have as a base for when we go to war with China whistle......


Don't worry UK, we still love you. Pay no attention to the lipstick on the collar or the late night phone calls. And for God's sake, don't be trying to look at our cell phone texts... tongue
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/11 01:45 PM

Thanks Lilo cool
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/11 04:38 PM

I wouldn't read anything into it, Yogi. It's just politics as usual.

Woe for the days of Tony Blair and George W. Bush sneeking off to a cheap motel together.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/11 11:56 PM

GOP '12 Primaries, the gift that keeps on giving for the President.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...l-campaign.html
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 11/20/11 08:45 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I wouldn't read anything into it, Yogi. It's just politics as usual.

Woe for the days of Tony Blair and George W. Bush sneeking off to a cheap motel together.


Our Tony. our version of a ten buck hooker...... rolleyes
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/21/11 06:07 PM

Bill Kristol masturbates to Newt '12.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/evitable-newt-gingrich-mitt-romney-2012_609187.html

Meanwhile, a report that focus groups of Evangelical women conducted in the last two years hate Newt.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/283472/newt-and-social-conservatives-katrina-trinko
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/21/11 07:37 PM

Anyone understand Russian? This news reporter appears to say Barack Obama's name and then gives the finger. confused I kid you not. Check it out. lol


TIS


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/reporter-fail-russian-middle-finger_n_1104941.html
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/22/11 11:51 PM

There are a few formally regularly posting Board members from which we haven't heard in awhile. One is Apple. With the Presidential election season heating up, I thought she'd being posting alot.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/23/11 04:13 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
There are a few formally regularly posting Board members from which we haven't heard in awhile. One is Apple. With the Presidential election season heating up, I thought she'd being posting alot.


Certainly I disagree with her alot on politics, but perspective from the other aisle is good for debate and clarity.

(or unlike say me, she has a life.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/23/11 04:30 AM

Give Newt credit: Somehow he angled Romney to come off as the insensitive dick on immigration. (And this from Newt.)
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/23/11 06:00 PM

Those crazy Russinas. This should seal Obama's reelection:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...e-at-Obama.html
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/23/11 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Those crazy Russinas. This should seal Obama's reelection

Yeah, getting the finger from a crazy Russian bitch ought to get him the sympathy vote. Forget the economy! lol

Reminds me of when that waitress kept "accidentally" giving George Costanza the finger.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/23/11 06:18 PM

National Review panics about Romney (shockingly) lacking a solid base of support.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/283628/down-ship-michael-walsh



That blog posting came about after the Washington Post reported that despite liberal bitchings (some deserved) and the Super Committee failure and the debt negotiations mess, the President's base of support is about as good as Clinton's was 12 months before the re-election ballot. Should I be shocked?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/p...K5fN_story.html
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/23/11 08:24 PM

Michael Medved argues that McCain lost among other things, not because self-described conservatives stayed home, but because Republicans lost among independents and Hispanics.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204224604577030482569015376.html

This is of course the classic question of whether it is better to put forth someone unblemished with compromise who loudly and unashamedly brays forth the party line or whether a party should nominate someone who compromises here and there but can attract independents and win.

To sum up Medved's argument.. "The Conservative Family ain't even got that kind of muscle no more!!!" whistle

Even if every conservative registered and voted for the most conservative candidate that won't be enough to win. Because not everyone thinks like they do. To have a chance at winning in the general election, the Republican candidate must be able to (dishonestly in my view of course rolleyes) sell palatable conservative ideas to independents.

This is MUCH easier to do if unemployment rate is still at current levels next year but it's much more difficult to do if the eventual nominee is locked into Tea Party talking points.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/23/11 09:50 PM

Medved is more practical minded than most conservative talk show hosts. But he may recognize (but won't admit) what I posted years ago. Americans' life experiences have become so homogenized, that many of us feel vulnerable. So many of us have fallen on hard or harder financial times, have diseases of all types, unwanted pregnancies, divorces, drug and alcohol problems, and criminals in our families and among our friends and relatives that it's become more difficult to spout turn our backs on those in the same boat. Staunch conservatives refuse to recognize such.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/24/11 03:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Michael Medved argues that McCain lost among other things, not because self-described conservatives stayed home, but because Republicans lost among independents and Hispanics.


Is he sure about that? I thought it was because he had a political unknown as a running mate who was incapable of naming one newspaper that she read and couldn't deliver any electoral votes. whistle
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/24/11 04:55 AM

She was part of it. But Hispanics never give more than about 30-40% of their vote to Republicans. They are a conservative group, but they feel that it's Republicans that have discriminated against them. That's why Gingrich is modifying his stance on illegal immigration.

Independents? You never know about. Bush was a Republican Presiddnt as the economy was heading downhill. So, independents may have done what so many Americans do and blame a bad economy on the President.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/25/11 08:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo

This is of course the classic question of whether it is better to put forth someone unblemished with compromise who loudly and unashamedly brays forth the party line or whether a party should nominate someone who compromises here and there but can attract independents and win.


You'll find fascinating debates at right-wing blogs debating that very question. Should we swallow our souls and support Mittens, or follow our hearts?

My answer is the most unsatisfying one: It depends in context because no presidential election is alike. Would Bill Clinton 1992 have won in 1960 or Reagan 1980 in 1940? No. But to craft a unify hypothesis, I suppose you have to look at it like commercially marketing a product to the masses, where timing and giving people what they need (or think they need). But at the least, you have to be credible. If people think your product sucks, they won't buy it.

(I told you that answer wasn't satisfying.)

McCain, for a time at least, had public credibility as a "maverick" in trying to achieve bi-partisan legislative remedies for controversial issues like global warming, illegal immigration, and campaign financing. He disowned all that to win the '08 nomination, but I degress. If he had "run" as a conservative moderate (and more importantly had won primary votes without betraying that basic narrative), the Democrats in '08 painting him as Dubya 2.0 or agreeing with him 90% of the time would've had a much tougher assignment.

Romney...doesn't have that. He was a moderate conservative that's now hiding in the closet while publicly a reincarnation of Reagan. With about as much current success as Lance Bass, Liberace, Clay Aiken and Ricky Martin all had in convincing America that they weren't gay.

Originally Posted By: olivant
She was part of it. But Hispanics never give more than about 30-40% of their vote to Republicans. They are a conservative group, but they feel that it's Republicans that have discriminated against them. That's why Gingrich is modifying his stance on illegal immigration.


I find disconnect in the Romney campaign. They've tried to skate through the primaries without being forced to publicly accepting primary friendly/general election toxic positions, win by default because of party establishment support and shitload of money raised. He's for it because he hasn't said he isn't. (Notice how his foreign policy, aside from some hot air at the debates, practically mirrors the current President.)

Not that I blame him, it's a sound strategy that I guess is working. But then Perry has his immigration "gaffe" (translation: sane pragmatic solution to a real problem) and Romney with a boner the size of Texas, cheerfully destroyed Perry on it and took credit for securing the party's ideological purity. Because surely a guy from Cape Cod has the knowledgeble authority to lecture a state government how to integrate a massive illegal (and poor) immigration population into the local economy.

Then Ohio with the failed anti-union ballot initiative. He (rightly) initially tried to avoid that loser, but pussied out when Fox News forced him to endorse it. Then because he took no clear public position on the current anti-IVF meme with the Pro-Lifers, he's having to nationally back away from that shit like the plague after Mississippi voted it down while telling that base he is still Pro-Life. if saner But the Democrats will still gladly hang that albatross around his neck, and not much he can do about it without some good tap dancing.

Now with Newt's own supposed immigration "gaffe" and the Romney people are publicly rubbing their hands in glee about how they know how to torpedo their latest threat. But Mitt, buddy, aren't you doing the exact opposite of what want to do? Yes you might defeat Newt, hell you probably will. (Well goddamit you should, it's Newt!) But that camera drama of Newt making a risky gamble by going to your left and making you come off as an insensitive dick on that issue? You don't think the White House didn't watch that exchange and got a giant shiney bright lightbulb over their heads?

I believe George Will nailed Romney correctly: A too reactive of a candidate.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/25/11 09:34 AM



Originally Posted By: olivant
Independents? You never know about. Bush was a Republican Presiddnt as the economy was heading downhill. So, independents may have done what so many Americans do and blame a bad economy on the President.


I think the GOP (currently at least) has trouble when their generic GOP candidate is polled tied with the President among independents in an economy of over 9 percent unemployment. How do you fuck that up?

Originally Posted By: olivant
Medved is more practical minded than most conservative talk show hosts.
I remember him arguing to disgruntled GOPers after the last national election as to why most American Jews (outside the Orthodox) are still loyal to the Democratic Party in spite of the supposed Israel-friendly and religious flavored Neocon foreign policy: they don't trust the Evangelicals. And he's right.

Though to be blunt, Medved's opinion angled from the idea that the moderate/Reform Jews (i.e. liberals) in America are intolerant against Christians, which of course I consider to be repugnant Neocon porn. But none the less, he has some brains and unlike most in the mindless right-wing landscape, he dares to deploy critical thinking in public.

(Of course critical thinking isn't profitable. You don't see guys like him or David Brooks or George Will hosting shows on Fox News.)

Originally Posted By: olivant
But he may recognize (but won't admit) what I posted years ago. Americans' life experiences have become so homogenized, that many of us feel vulnerable. So many of us have fallen on hard or harder financial times, have diseases of all types, unwanted pregnancies, divorces, drug and alcohol problems, and criminals in our families and among our friends and relatives that it's become more difficult to spout turn our backs on those in the same boat. Staunch conservatives refuse to recognize such.


Me the political science major would bring up how supposedly if American politics have generational swings between the ideologies, then we're seeing it right before our eyes. The liberals in the 1970s in rhetoric were still running against Herbert Hoover, now the conservatives in 2011 are still running against Walter Mondale. Times change, stale rhetoric and discredited ideology adapt to survive or they crawl off into the corner of irrelevancy and die.

Perfect example: Consider how the American public has really shifted positively towards gay rights in recent years compared.. Hell just a decade ago, most Americans weren't just against gay marriage or civil unions, they didn't find homosexuality "morally acceptable." You remember President Dubya pushing for that constitutional amendment against gay marriage, and all those state ballot initiatives as part of Karl Rove's strategy to drive up the base vote. (And it worked.)

Now the last Gallup poll has the majority finding it not just tolerable, but also broad support for legalized domestic partnerships (marriage or civil unions.) I like that argument that the public is way ahead of the government in this policy. What happened?

Most experts claim it's because of recent pop culture, whether Lady Gaga or Glee or Ellen or Neil Patrick Harris or Modern Family or Torchwood convinced people that those gay people out to corrupt your kids aren't evil, they're just normal people who're just as miserable as the rest of us. They're not a threat. I do agree it played a significant part, for breaking down the polls have the youth have no problem, their parents are getting over it, but their grandparents still rant about the evils of Sodom at their retirement home inbetween medication. Thankfully God invented death.

But I argue that was allowed to happen in the same timespan after the religious right in America absolutely shredded their legitimacy as the moral authority. From countless Republican "family values" politicians busted for immarital affairs or being hypocritical closet gays to the Vatican's complete unashamed complicity in committing pedophilia and aiding/abetting child rapists. Or that divorce rate average in the Evangelical Christian community is equal to the national average. Or that the daughter of Sarah Palin, the Evangelical champion, bore a child out of wedlock and became a national public spokeswoman for abstinence. Or blasting Iran (rightly) for persecuting Homosexuals, yet screamed of the impending apocalypse if gays openly served in the military. And yada yada.

Long term the GOP still vehimently against the Gays on that issue is a loser. Obama will be the last Democratic presidential nominee that is publicly against gay "marriage," yet he's made his incremental steps towards civil rights equality with repealing DADT (with 80% public support), refusing to defend DOMA in federal court, allowing AIDS victims to have travel visas or appointing a (alleged) lesbian to the SCOTUS, etc. The GOP long term will either have to abandon it as a relic well of the past that won't hold mainstream water anymore, or subtly oppose it in stealth or coded speech like conservatives did after the Civil Rights victory back in the 1960s.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/25/11 02:36 PM

There was an interesting C-SPAN discussion here about the 2012 election and the impact of changing demographics on previous elections and the upcoming one. This is long (90 minutes) but I think it was worthwhile.

My take is that racist or not one can't really expect the Republican Party to lead the cheerleading for allowing in more new voters that over time will tend to vote Democratic. It's suicidal for the Party. If Republicans could somehow bring in millions of reliably Republican voters, they'd be the ones talking about the need for amnesty while Democrats, angrily watching blue states turn purple, would have a different song to sing.

The panel also discussed how the traditional voting patterns of Republicans/Democrats have changed-mostly among whites. The Republicans win big among whites without a college education and/or working class while the Democrats do better among middle class and college educated whites.

2012 could be a high point election for Republicans as there is no guarantee that thanks to a changing electorate that by 2020 or even 2016 several previously "Red" states won't be in play. There's not an easy way to see how this plays itself out. But there are gonna be some serious fights over Social Security and school funding over the next 2-3 decades the likes of which we haven't seen before. But it still all comes down the economy for 2012.

The 2010 mid term showed that the Democrats have an Achilles Heel among whites, who were motivated by frustration by the economy. The overreach by Republicans on such things as public unions, contraceptives and Planned Parenthood may play well with some of their base but it turns off the white independents. Time will tell.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/25/11 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo


My take is that racist or not one can't really expect the Republican Party to lead the cheerleading for allowing in more new voters that over time will tend to vote Democratic. It's suicidal for the Party. If Republicans could somehow bring in millions of reliably Republican voters, they'd be the ones talking about the need for amnesty while Democrats, angrily watching blue states turn purple, would have a different song to sing.


Their only option, minus total issue capitulation, would have to try to split the hispanic vote. Or more specifically, the Mexican/Latin American vote. Not as tout as they once were, but Cuban-Americans are still Republican-faithful.

If Dubya had somehow pulled off immigration reform and owned that issue, I truely believe the GOP could've at the very least created that permanent split. But alas his party's wise and tolerant base murdered it, and now they'll pay for it long term.

Reminds me of Stephen Ambrose's book on Richard Nixon, how while as Vice-President, Nixon saw an electoral opening for the GOP after Brown V. Board of Education and did his damn best to try to convince the rank and file to embrace desegregation (even if at least only in public) and split the black vote from the Democrats. As much as FDR had taken them away from the party of Lincoln. (People forget that Eisenhower in '56 won 39% of the black vote.) Nixon was ignored, and thus the Democrats were allowed to own that issue, even though it was the racist useless Southern Democrats who pretty much held Jim Crow down for over a century. (Of course they became Republicans but nevermind.)

Originally Posted By: Lilo


The panel also discussed how the traditional voting patterns of Republicans/Democrats have changed-mostly among whites. The Republicans win big among whites without a college education and/or working class while the Democrats do better among middle class and college educated whites.


Yeah I've noticed that reversal of support. Difference between then and now is that both bases now vote against their own political interests. Especially poor Republicans advocating tax cuts for the super wealthy.

Originally Posted By: Lilo

2012 could be a high point election for Republicans as there is no guarantee that thanks to a changing electorate that by 2020 or even 2016 several previously "Red" states won't be in play. There's not an easy way to see how this plays itself out. But there are gonna be some serious fights over Social Security and school funding over the next 2-3 decades the likes of which we haven't seen before. But it still all comes down the economy for 2012.

The 2010 mid term showed that the Democrats have an Achilles Heel among whites, who were motivated by frustration by the economy. The overreach by Republicans on such things as public unions, contraceptives and Planned Parenthood may play well with some of their base but it turns off the white independents. Time will tell.


At the very least, you would agree that those targets at best only fire up the Democratic base. (Especially that retarded IVF ban meme which apparently will hit several state ballots next year, including Florida.)

Of course the big polling news I've got today will make this even more interesting.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/25/11 06:46 PM

New Rasmussen poll: Obama leads Romney by 6.

However in same Republican-skewed poll, generic GOP candidate leads Obama by 3. Newt trails by 6, as does Huntsman. Cain trails the President by 10. The GOP contenders, according to this poll, are underperforming.

Quote:
Among likely GOP primary voters nationwide, Romney is just behind businessman Herman Cain with 23 percent support; Cain earns 26 percent of the vote and Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is in third with 14 percent support. Romney runs best in New Hampshire – where he picks up a commanding 41 percent of the vote -- but falls short of Cain in Iowa, South Carolina and Florida.


http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/obama...omo_code=D969-1
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/26/11 12:10 AM

Romney is still facing a trust deficit

Quote:
"He's not a person we could trust to lead our country," said Angela Cesar, a 41-year-old Republican from Ypsilanti, Mich., who said Romney had changed his position on too many issues. "He's going to be listening to voices outside. I want someone who can hear his own voice - a clear voice."

Steve Holroyd, a 54-year-old chef from Rye, N.H., was initially attracted to Romney's candidacy, but now describes him as evasive: "The more I listen to him, the more he just kind of flip-flops and doesn't know where he stands on anything."


Quote:
But it matters to voters like Leonard Silvani, a 58-year-old Republican from Hampton, N.H. Even though he is most concerned about the economy, Silvani said, the shift by Romney on a core issue like abortion is a warning flag.

"It's telling you that what he's saying and what he does aren't necessarily the same thing," he said. "And that makes me leery."


http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/25/4079696/romney-is-still-facing-a-trust.html#ixzz1elWj7hhN
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/27/11 11:50 PM

With the fallout from the Super Committee's super failure, Independents polled lay most of the blame on the GOP.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/27/the-gop-s-supercommittee-backlash.html
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/11 12:47 AM

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Preliminary reports for Black Friday indicate that retailers may have seen their strongest sales ever during the all-important kick-off to the holiday shopping season.

Retail sales on Black Friday climbed 6.6% this year to an estimated $11.4 billion, according to ShopperTrak, which tracks foot traffic at malls and stores. Last year, sales climbed just 0.3% to $10.7 billion, which was a record one-day sales amount at the time, according to the company.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/11 02:34 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Preliminary reports for Black Friday indicate that retailers may have seen their strongest sales ever during the all-important kick-off to the holiday shopping season.

Retail sales on Black Friday climbed 6.6% this year to an estimated $11.4 billion, according to ShopperTrak, which tracks foot traffic at malls and stores. Last year, sales climbed just 0.3% to $10.7 billion, which was a record one-day sales amount at the time, according to the company.



While Black Friday hasn't been the biggest shopping day of the year since the arrival of the Internet, or even beforehand it was only in the Top 10...this is still wonderful news.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/11 03:10 AM

As endlessly beated by the news media, the Mancester Union-Leader newspaper up in N.H. endorsed Newt over the "local" boy Mittens. Why does it matter? Look at this graph Nate Silver compiled.



Certainly doesn't seem to hurt.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/11 03:20 AM

Gingrich is just a pompous putz who thinks he's a macher. smile
He just loves to tell everyone what a smart man he is.
IMO he's a gasbag who will soon fall back in the polls, like every other "not Romney".
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/11 03:30 AM

Some voters can't make their own decisions.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/11 03:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Gingrich is just a pompous putz who thinks he's a macher. smile
He just loves to tell everyone what a smart man he is.
IMO he's a gasbag who will soon fall back in the polls, like every other "not Romney".


nobody should vote for a fredo
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/11 04:39 AM

Clinton praises Newt

Quote:
“He’s articulate and he tries to think of a conservative version of an idea that will solve a legitimate problem,” Clinton told Newsmax in the exclusive interview this week, by way of explaining the Gingrich resurgence...

Clinton continued: “For example, I watched the national security debate last night. And Newt said two things that would make an independent voter say, ‘Well, I gotta consider that.’

“He said, ‘OK, I don’t want to legitimize immigrants who came here undocumented, illegally.’ On the other hand, a lot of those people have been here for years, they worked hard, they paid taxes, they’ve got kids in the schools, they’re not criminals, we’re going to have a hard time sending them all home, there’s millions of them. So, I’d like to have a process where they could be here legally but not have a path to citizenship. That sort of splits the difference between the immigration reforms proposed by President Bush and President Obama, which would give a path to citizenship, and would be a version of what President Reagan did.”

Clinton was impressed that Gingrich devised a “red card” system that would be used to stop normalizing the immigration status of illegals if efforts to control the border proved ineffective.

“That was a thoughtful response,” Clinton said.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69176.html#ixzz1exqT5g1f
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/11 10:18 PM

Looks like the Dems are pretty certain Romney will be the nominee. I think this a a great ad. I love the title "Two men trapped in one body" lol

TIS


Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/11 11:10 PM

In a statement provided to AP, Cain's lawyer, Lin Wood, said the former businessman has no obligation to "discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media ..."

This is absurd. A presidential candidate is accused of having an affair while married and his lawyer doesn't think the candidate needs to discuss it. Madonne!
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/11 11:23 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
In a statement provided to AP, Cain's lawyer, Lin Wood, said the former businessman has no obligation to "discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media ..."

This is absurd. A presidential candidate is accused of having an affair while married and his lawyer doesn't think the candidate needs to discuss it. Madonne!
lol ( Matter of fact LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!) Good one . I don't trust any red, yellow , black or white.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
In a statement provided to AP, Cain's lawyer, Lin Wood, said the former businessman has no obligation to "discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media ..."

This is absurd. A presidential candidate is accused of having an affair while married and his lawyer doesn't think the candidate needs to discuss it. Madonne!


Or he could've deflected it with style and slickness like a certain (immensely popular) ex-President.

I mean I thought Cain had initially done that with his total defiance at the debate, but he failed to follow up on it. (Not to mention Newt stole his Anti-Mittens baton.)
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 12:29 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
In a statement provided to AP, Cain's lawyer, Lin Wood, said the former businessman has no obligation to "discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media ..."

This is absurd. A presidential candidate is accused of having an affair while married and his lawyer doesn't think the candidate needs to discuss it. Madonne!


Translation of Cain's lawyer's statement:

"How the f*** did you find out about this? Why the f*** is she going to the media. I thought she was taken care of. Anyway I can't talk about this until after I talk to my wife. Damn!!"
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 12:30 AM

We are only told what we are supose to hear. You would have better luck getting news off of Mars.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 12:31 AM

Hear Say is a Bitch ! He says she says WTF !
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 12:45 AM

Evangelicals flocking to Newt

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/11/27/evangelicals-flocking-toward-newt-gingrich.html
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 12:55 AM

LMAO! I have a sweatlodge to !
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 01:02 AM

I have the balls to say I should never talk about politic's I have said to much this country needs ALOT of help , so something needs to be done. But it sure as he hell isn't what we have in Congress or the White House. Just Sayen !!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 01:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Frosty
I have the balls to say I should never talk about politic's I have said to much this country needs ALOT of help , so something needs to be done. But it sure as he hell isn't what we have in Congress or the White House. Just Sayen !!!!!!!!!!!


That "help" is on the way. And his name is Newt.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 01:14 AM

Anybody but Obama and his Mamma !
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 01:15 AM

And I thought I was pulled out, and hare I am pulled back in again !
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 04:44 AM

I called this meme first. Either I'm that insightful, or it's that damn obvious.

Did Newt entrap Romney on Immigration?

Quote:
But more important, Newt’s statement caused the Romney campaign to engage in hyperbole, accusing Newt of wanting amnesty for 10 million people. This exposed key weaknesses in Romney’s claim to the presidency.

First, Romney has been in favor of a pathway to citizenship for illegals, which is more than Newt proposed at the debate which was limited to deportation policy. Romney ran to the right, but it was not credible. This reminded everyone of Romney’s “core” weakness.

Second, and equally important, Romney has no answer on deportation policy. This resulted in the ”Abbott and Costello” routine I highlighted yesterday, in which Romney’s spokesperson could not or would not say that Romney would deport everyone here illegally, even those brought here as young children. While attacking the humanitarian standards on deportation policy proposed by Newt, Romney had no alternative. Not a good showing.

In the end, Newt was shown to be someone willing to make hard choices even if it cost him votes and to do so with realism. Romney was shown to be just the opposite.

It dont’ know if Newt set a trap. But the Romney campaign found itself stuck, either way. Newt comes across looking presidential, Romney comes across looking like a politician.


http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/11/did-newt-set-a-trap-for-romney-on-immigration/
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 11:03 AM

There's no way the Republican primary voter is going to support Gingrich's position. The Republican elites might do so as they get cheap labor without citizenship.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 05:03 PM

Unconfirmed reports that Herman Cain is "reassessing" his campaign. Ya think? lol



TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Unconfirmed reports that Herman Cain is "reassessing" his campaign. Ya think?


That's a politician's way to say he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.... some of those cookies didn't look like they were worth it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Unconfirmed reports that Herman Cain is "reassessing" his campaign. Ya think? lol



TIS


Cain is also reportedly consulting a proctologist after Mrs. Cain shoved her foot up his ass after the lastest affair accusation.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 07:37 PM

Romney's Fading Popularity

Quote:
There are 13 places PPP has polled the Republican race in October or November where it also did a poll sometime between January and March. In those places Romney's net favorability has dropped by an average of 15 points over the course of the year.

On average Romney's favorability with primary voters was 54/25 in these 13 places at the begininng of the year. Now it's only 50/35. His problem is partially that his positives have gone down but more than that it's that as his name recognition has increased, most folks moving off the fence have gone into the negative column.


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/romneys-fading-popularity.html
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/11 08:00 PM

Cain is slip slidding in Chicken Grease. Hum wonder where that came from.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/11 02:06 AM

Two new polls from Iowa, 5 weeks shy of that primary.

Insider Advantage

Newt 28%
Paul 13%
Romney 12%
Cain 10%
Bachmann 10%
Perry 7%

We Ask America

Newt 29%
Romney 13%
Bachmann 13%
Paul 11%
Cain 7%
Perry 5%

EDIT - Two polls from South Carolina as well.

Insider Advantage

Newt 38%
Romney 15%
Cain 13%
Paul 7%
Perry 4%
Bachmann 3%
Santorum 2%

American Research Group

Newt 33%
Romney 22%
Cain 10%

EDIT 2 - and New Hampshire!

Insider Advantage

Romney 31%
Newt 27%

Rasmussen

Romney 34%
Newt 24%
Huntsman 11%
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/11 02:45 AM

Wow, they just do NOT like Mitt do they? lol The guy hasn't climbed significantly in any poll.

Btw, with news all Newt and all Cain, it seems Romney is staying under the radar doesn't it?


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/11 03:29 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Wow, they just do NOT like Mitt do they? lol The guy hasn't climbed significantly in any poll.

Btw, with news all Newt and all Cain, it seems Romney is staying under the radar doesn't it?

TIS


He's under attack, and quite possibly Newt might not flame out as quickly as those other would-be contenders did.

He should be worried that NH, his "home turf," is under severe (surprising) assault and that if indeed in spite of all his money and endorsements, he has peaked (which quite frankly I have no reason to disagree with that assessment)...well, he's not having a good day.

Then here's the hypothetical complication. Does Romney keep his relative "cool" as has been his basic primary plan and assume that Newt sinks Newt? Or does Romney hit back hard and try to destroy him? If the latter option, and if Mittens wins the nomination, all that rhetoric of him going to Newt's right will could hurt him in the fall.

I don't think it helps Mittens that idea his campaign loves to float that he's the most "electable" candidate against Obama is much like the Loch Ness Monster, MRI scans cause tattoos to explode, or that Twinkies can survive a nuclear holocaust.

You know, a myth.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/11 05:55 PM

Romney Gets Flustered On Fox]

Quote:
Romney also strongly disputed the idea that he had ever, ever recommended the Massachusetts health care model of the individual mandate be adopted nationwide — while also standing by it as having worked for Massachusetts.

“So, governor,” Baier said, “you did say on camera and other places that, at times, you thought it would be a model for the nation.”

“You’re wrong, Bret.”

“No, no. There’s tape —”

“The tape out there — continue to read the tape, and the tape goes on to say for each state to be able to look at it.”


I was for it before I was against it.

Quote:
And if I were willing to say anything to get elected, wouldn’t I just say, oh, it was a mistake, because I’ve watched other people on the stage. When they talk about their cap and trade policies, they say, oh, that was a mistake. When someone says, oh, I did this ad on global warming, that was a mistake.

So, they just dust it aside, and that makes them more attractive in a primary. I’m standing by what I did in Massachusetts. I’ve tried to dust it aside. The biggest issue that dogs me in the primary campaign, I’m absolutely firm that it was the right thing for our state. I’ll defend that. And I understand it has political implications, and if it keeps me from winning a primary, so be it. But that happens to be the truth.


Oh Mitt, you just gave Newt ammo.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/1...on-abortion.php
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/11 06:25 PM

Romney has a lot of flubs/flip flopping on tape. The ad the Dems are running (posted above) is perfect (0ne of the best I've seen). They simply have to show Romney open his mouth. lol

As for Newt, he's got issues too. I must admit tho, and I'm guessing Romney is as well, maybe, just maybe, Newt will be "the one." It's amazing to me just how much the Right simply does NOT want Romney.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/11 06:33 PM

I think this is more brutal.

Former Romney Iowa Chair: Not Sure If He's Got The 'Gut Instinct'

Quote:
To be an excellent president — part of the rap on Mitt is that he’s too flexible. I see that as a good thing, because it shows he’s willing to be pragmatic and do what works. “But,” added Mitt Romney’s former Iowa chairman, “I don’t know if he’s got the gut instinct to make the right call at the right time. I don’t know yet.”


Ouch.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/magazine/mitt-romney-bot.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/11 07:30 PM

Man, right-wing blogs are roasting Mittens over that FNC interview.

Quote:
Essentially, Mitt thinks Newt’s plan to let some longtime residents attain legal non-citizen status is “amnesty” even though his own plan imagines letting some longtime residents become citizens provided they go to the back of line. Why one of those ideas should be deemed significantly more lenient than the other is beyond me.


Quote:
Skip to 5:05 for the immigration bit — although, if you have time, I recommend watching the whole vid for the odd yet entertaining occasional flare-ups of irritation from the likely nominee.


http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/29/br...on-as-gingrich/

Romney not ready for prime time

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/11/30/romney-not-ready-for-prime-time/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 01:15 AM

PPP Florida

Newt 47%
Romney 17%
Cain 15%
Paul 5%

PPP Montana

Newt 37%
Paul 12%
Romney 11%
Bachmann 10%
Cain 10%

Quote:
These two states really exemplify one of the key emerging trends in the Republican race- Gingrich isn't just rising, Romney's also falling. His 17% in Florida is down 13 points from 30% when we polled the state in late September. His 11% in Montana is down 11 points from 22% when we polled the state in June.

In addition to his support for the nomination, Romney's personal popularity is down too. His Florida favorability was +43 (65/22) and it's declined 28 points to +15 (51/36). He's dropped in Montana too although it's a more modest change there from +11 (47/36) to only +5 (44/39).
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 01:28 AM

I saw these polls earlier. That's pretty startling isn't it. Romney 11 percent in Montana? Watch maybe Ron Paul will be the next surge. wink

I expect Cain will drop out shortly. This entire ordeal, I would think, would be a huge impact on his lengthy marriage and family life. Maybe his wife will kick him to the curb too. lol Plus, really was he ever serious or was he trying to sell books?

Right now it seems like Gingrich but this is the most topsy turvy campaign I can remember.

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 03:20 AM

from NBC News twitter:

Quote:
Bachmann tells Waverly IA crowd that were she president, "we wouldn't have an American embassy in Iran." The US broke ties w Iran in 1980.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 04:30 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
from NBC News twitter:

Quote:
Bachmann tells Waverly IA crowd that were she president, "we wouldn't have an American embassy in Iran." The US broke ties w Iran in 1980.




She is so, so, so, so uninformed.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 05:04 AM

Romney: Whiney Bitch?

Quote:
After finishing a heated interview with Fox News anchor Bret Baier on Tuesday night, Mitt Romney came back after the cameras turned off to complain to Baier about the tone of the exchange, according to Baier.


http://www.nationalconfidential.com/20111130/romney-whined-to-fox-about-interview/

Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 09:58 AM

Original geschrieben von: ronnierocketAGO



At 2:18
"He physically personality-wise comes across as if he was designed by East German scientists to be the perfect android politician, and his answers come across that way."
Can somebody explain this reference to me? I'm from East Germany, and I have no idea what that guy is talking about. Chancelor Angela Merkel is an East German scientist and a politician at the same time. Does she look like a "perfect android politician"? (I think, there hasn't been a single attractive East German politician in the last 100 years. smile )
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 10:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Danito

"He physically personality-wise comes across as if he was designed by East German scientists to be the perfect android politician, and his answers come across that way."
Can somebody explain this reference to me? I'm from East Germany, and I have no idea what that guy is talking about. Chancelor Angela Merkel is an East German scientist and a politician at the same time. Does she look like a "perfect android politician"? (I think, there hasn't been a single attractive East German politician in the last 100 years. smile )


It's not a reference so much to Mitt's handsomeness or the attractiveness of East German politicians (not one in the last 100 years, really?? lol ) but to the stereotype of German engineering acumen and to the stereotype of East German Olympic cheating. Mitt looks like a politician should look; he's tall, comes across as affable and reasonable but much like an android, he seems to have little ability to connect with people, can't think on his feet or react to changing conditions, and seems to be programmed.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 04:22 PM

Obama may be the luckiest politician who ever lived.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 04:42 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

I expect Cain will drop out shortly. This entire ordeal, I would think, would be a huge impact on his lengthy marriage and family life. Maybe his wife will kick him to the curb too. lol

Typical example of why politics is one big Male Ego Trip. Did Cain really think that he could mount a national campaign and not have all those skeletons in his closet come rattling out?
If someone came up to you and announced, "I, alone among 300 million Americans, am the only person fit to be your president," you'd conclude that the guy was nuts. But, every four years, several people do exactly that. tongue
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Bachmann tells Waverly IA crowd that were she president, "we wouldn't have an American embassy in Iran." The US broke ties w Iran in 1980.


lol lol lol lol

A political satirist couldn't write this stuff; not even Carl Hiaasen.

Re what Dont Tomasso just posted: Yes, I'll be the first to admit that Obama is VERY lucky to be up against such a bunch of stiffs. When I was younger, I always thought that voting for "the lesser of two evils" was a crock of shit that older people used to justify their own political agendas, but now I know what they meant. Because even though Obama has been a disappointment to me, he's still better than anyone the GOP can put up against him right now.

And speaking of the GOP: Where are their morals police that outed Clinton's blowjob from that fat chick? By rights, shouldn't they be scrutinizing both Cain and Newt for their sexual exploits?

Can you say double standard?
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Danito
Chancelor Angela Merkel is an East German scientist and a politician at the same time. Does she look like a "perfect android politician"? (I think, there hasn't been a single attractive East German politician in the last 100 years. smile )

She and Sarkozy are bigtime buddies. Sarko refers to Merkel as la Boche (the Hun). lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

I expect Cain will drop out shortly. This entire ordeal, I would think, would be a huge impact on his lengthy marriage and family life. Maybe his wife will kick him to the curb too. lol

Typical example of why politics is one big Male Ego Trip. Did Cain really think that he could mount a national campaign and not have all those skeletons in his closet come rattling out?
If someone came up to you and announced, "I, alone among 300 million Americans, am the only person fit to be your president," you'd conclude that the guy was nuts. But, every four years, several people do exactly that. tongue




Regarding Cain and his latest accuser saying how he called her at all hours, etc. I heard someone say yesterday that "Cain has proven his ready for that 3:00 a.m. call.....'Yea, Ginger?'.

lol

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 06:03 PM

Wasn't Newt one of the Republicans screaming for Clinton's blood??
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Wasn't Newt one of the Republicans screaming for Clinton's blood??


He sure was. The moral authority as he was cheating on his wife at the same time.

Btw, I heard a very sleazy story about him yesterday. If Newt wins I have no doubt it'll circulate whether true or not.

Let me just say this guy said he witnessed Newt in a car in a Lewinsky type situation. uhwhat


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Obama may be the luckiest politician who ever lived.
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You can't win without luck.

No for luckiest politician ever, that would have to be ole Adolf. Seriously its like the fates were determined to let him win despite obstacle after obstacle that surely would've destroyed everyone else.

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Wasn't Newt one of the Republicans screaming for Clinton's blood??


Those two were true adversaries who wouldn't piss on each other if either were on fire. Remember that story that allegedly the chief for Newt running one of the government shutdowns was because Clinton made him sit at the back of Air Force One?

Anyway I also remember that anecdote that Clinton purposely copied the argumentative rhetoric* used in his Impeachment trial from Newt's divorce case, just to stick it him.

*=If you must know but I'm warning you, it's disgusting: Bubba (and Newt previously) argued that they didn't actually commit adultery in the "biblical sense" with their respective mistresses because neither internally ejaculated. I told you it was gross. It certainly explains Monica's dress "stain."

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe

It's not a reference so much to Mitt's handsomeness or the attractiveness of East German politicians (not one in the last 100 years, really?? lol ) but to the stereotype of German engineering acumen and to the stereotype of East German Olympic cheating. Mitt looks like a politician should look; he's tall, comes across as affable and reasonable but much like an android, he seems to have little ability to connect with people, can't think on his feet or react to changing conditions, and seems to be programmed.


I would also blame it on Arnold Schwarzenegger, who's actually Austrian but I disgress.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 06:34 PM

Rasmussen has Newt leading Romney nationally 38% to 17%.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 07:47 PM

I found this article on the Fox website about sex and Presidential candidates. Give it a read:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/0...ntcmp=obnetwork
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/11 08:51 PM

TIME Magazine: Why Don’t They Like Mitt?

http://swampland.time.com/2011/12/01/mitt-romney-why-dont-they-like-him/?iid=sl-main-lede

"Potemkin frontrunner"? I like that term.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 03:33 AM

Newt flanks Mittens again, now from the right.

Newt signs Border Fence Pledge

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/12/01/newt-gingrich-signs-pledge-to-build-border-fence/

(Might add Newt was the second GOP national candidate to sign that pledge, after Bachmann.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 06:43 AM

Major Iowa County Chair: ‘Very Difficult’ For Romney to Win State Now

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/1...now.php?ref=fpa
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 03:53 PM

Okay, the enemployment rate is down to 8.6% and no reason to believe it won't continue to drop into next year.

That's got to throw one hell of a monkey wrench into Republican campaign plans. And as I suspected, Fox found a way to put a negative spin on it:

"Though it appears encouraging that the November jobless rate dipped to its lowest level since March 2009, those numbers come with a caveat: nearly three times as many Americans stopped looking for work as found it."
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Okay, the enemployment rate is down to 8.6% and no reason to believe it won't continue to drop into next year.

That's got to throw one hell of a monkey wrench into Republican campaign plans. And as I suspected, Fox found a way to put a negative spin on it:

"Though it appears encouraging that the November jobless rate dipped to its lowest level since March 2009, those numbers come with a caveat: nearly three times as many Americans stopped looking for work as found it."

Yeah, they're going to spin it. But politics = spin.

Those reports won't mean anything anyway. Because while I agree that the economy will be a determining factor in the 2012 election, I think people will judge the economy for themselves by the size of their own bank accounts, not by what's being reported in the papers.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 06:21 PM

If it drops lower than 8.5 and if Gnewt is the nominee there won't be any moving vans at the White House in January 2013.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 06:28 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
If it drops lower than 8.5 and if Gnewt is the nominee there won't be any moving vans at the White House in January 2013.


I hear Newt has already proclaimed himself the winner. rolleyes


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 06:33 PM

Indeed, he did TIS. But then again he also told all three wives "until death do we part".
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Indeed, he did TIS. But then again he also told all three wives "until death do we part".

lol lol

That was actually funny. I've only been waiting five years tongue.

Did Mrs. Olivant put funny pills in your oatmeal this morning?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Indeed, he did TIS. But then again he also told all three wives "until death do we part".

lol lol

That was actually funny. I've only been waiting five years tongue.

Did Mrs. Olivant put funny pills in your oatmeal this morning?


No, but I have noticed a funny taste to my oatmeal for years now and I'm developing some numbness in different body parts (fortunately not that one).
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 06:54 PM

That was a good one Oli!! lol

Speaking of Cain, MSNBC is reporting that he will have a MAJOR announcement tomorrow. Hmmmm I wonder what it could be? lol


TIS

BTW, MSNBC is reporting/confirming that on 12/27, Donald Trump will moderate the republican debate. And the Republican traveling clown show continues. rolleyes lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Speaking of Cain, MSNBC is reporting that he will have a MAJOR announcement tomorrow. Hmmmm I wonder what it could be? lol

He's going to announce that he's the new spokesman for a new baldness treatment for African American men.

It's called Brogaine.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 08:27 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Obama may be the luckiest politician who ever lived.


I wonder if this really has something to do with luck. It might be just all set up this way because wall street is aware that they couldn't have a better representative than Obama.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Speaking of Cain, MSNBC is reporting that he will have a MAJOR announcement tomorrow. Hmmmm I wonder what it could be? lol

He's going to announce that he's the new spokesman for a new baldness treatment for African American men.

It's called Brogaine.


Priceless!

By the way:

December 2nd, 2011 01:12 PM ET 'Women for Cain' launched by campaign

(CNN) - Team Cain officially launched a "Women for Cain" website Friday billed as an "online national fellowship of women dedicated to helping elect Herman Cain as the next President of the United States."

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 10:14 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

Those reports won't mean anything anyway. Because while I agree that the economy will be a determining factor in the 2012 election, I think people will judge the economy for themselves by the size of their own bank accounts, not by what's being reported in the papers.


If there is a visible pattern of unemployment going down and the economy generally improving, at worst you only need a half-truth to successfully spin an idea into people's heads.

(Or in other words, if your opponents have to argue with "Yes, But...", you generally tend to win that point when they're working from the defensive and conceding.)
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 10:28 PM

I stopped supporting Herman Cain after he rejected my Pizza in a cup idea.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 10:40 PM

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/02/11 10:43 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Speaking of Cain, MSNBC is reporting that he will have a MAJOR announcement tomorrow. Hmmmm I wonder what it could be? lol

He's going to announce that he's the new spokesman for a new baldness treatment for African American men.

It's called Brogaine.


Priceless!

By the way:

December 2nd, 2011 01:12 PM ET 'Women for Cain' launched by campaign

(CNN) - Team Cain officially launched a "Women for Cain" website Friday billed as an "online national fellowship of women dedicated to helping elect Herman Cain as the next President of the United States."



I saw that. It can't possibly be for real right? uhwhat


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 12:31 AM

Cain wll meet with his supporters and donors before he announces his plans. That sounds to me like he wants them to hear the bad news first.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Cain wll meet with his supporters and donors before he announces his plans. That sounds to me like he wants them to hear the bad news first.


he will announce that pizza hut is better than godfathers
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 08:35 AM

Huntsman says he won't partake in the Trump debate. But he did accept a "Lincoln/Douglas-esque" debate challenge from Newt in NH. (Meanwhile Mittens declined that, but still doing the Trump debate. Really?)

EDIT - I love this headline.

Man up, Mitt! Is Romney backing down from debating Newt?

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/general-factotum/2011/dec/2/man-mitt/


Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 08:47 AM

Kathleen Parker:

Quote:
Bottom line: Most Americans would rather embrace a man who has fallen and climbed back to his feet than one who has never stubbed his toe on temptation. The successful protagonist is always flawed. In Romney breaking news: He removes the cheese from his pizza but has a weakness for chocolate milk. Mr. Squeaky not only has no skeletons in the closet; he has no closets.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/w...rWMO_story.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 08:55 AM

Oh you've got to be fucking with me.

Romney: Newt is a flip-flopper

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69494.html

EDIT - Is Newt the second coming of George Wallace?

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2011/12/mitt-vs-newt-now-its-a-real-race.html
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 07:08 PM


As expected...

Herman Cain suspends presidential campaign
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 07:09 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff


Here,here!
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 07:12 PM

Gee. I'm sooooo shocked to hear this.

If I were Cain, I'd crawl into a hole and stay there for a few years.

I just feel sorry for the guy's wife. Seriously.

Signor V.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 08:15 PM

I do too SV, especially considering the length of their marriage. I don't care if she suspected knew, or didn't know, HE's he one at fault. It only makes it worse that it's publicized all over the media now. frown


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 09:23 PM

He dropped out of the campaign for two reasons:

1) to avoid confronting future claims from women

2) his financing was drying up
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 11:44 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
He dropped out of the campaign for two reasons:

1) to avoid confronting future claims from women

2) his financing was drying up


3) Brogaine. A LICENSE TO PRINT MONEY!!!

You know something just came up. Last week, allegedly Perry's campaign was running out of money. Say as he's doing now, he does dismal polling at Iowa or NH, he drops out...who benefits? Not Mittens.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/03/11 11:51 PM

Top Romney Aide: Newt is "Evil"

http://nation.foxnews.com/newt-gingrich/2011/12/01/top-romney-aid-calls-gingrich-evil
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 01:53 AM

Did I hear my ears correctly? Did this GOP debate just seriously propose to defund the G.I. Bill?
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 02:20 AM

I would say we had better start hanging on to our underwear and socks. This country is in sorry ass shape . And it is not going to get better. All of these genius politians have NO idea what they are doing.

Better start praying folks , this sure ain't a funny matter in any respect. And unemployment and more jobs right around Christmas hell ya, some are temps at stores. Look good Obama and Mamma , Shit ! mad And Congress, the Senate mad
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 02:22 AM

Like I said , I don't trust any of them. Change all these idiots !
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 02:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Frosty
Like I said , I don't trust any of them. Change all these idiots !


Yeah no kidding.

You would think the economy would be the #1 issue tonight, and these candidates would tell us the voters (primary & general) how each would solve this lousy economy.

But according to this GOP debate, nope! The most pressing issues? Constitutional amendments banning abortion and gay marriage, defunding the G.I. Bill and the EPA, passing judicial term limits, the all-important 10th Amendment, whether $130 billion is worth spending to deport every illegal immigrant in America, and whether being for the separation of church and state is un-patriotic.

Poor Ron Paul, the only guy with any sort of integrity, bravely fighting these authoratative bullies burning the Constitution in its name, calling out especially those stupid morality-driven amendments. He rightly compared them to the ill-fated Prohibition Amendment.

Funny how for a gang of guys bitching about "big" government, Paul seems to be the only one actually trying to rhetorically fight it. Huntsman was right to avoid this asshole echo chamber.

(Economy? What Economy?)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 06:04 AM

Due to suffering from good taste, Ron Paul (along w/ Huntsman) won't be attending the Donald Trump-moderated debate.

(How many fucking more debates?!?)
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 06:55 AM

Never mind how many more debates.... why is Donald Trump still involved with any of this crap? Why can't he just go away?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 07:15 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Never mind how many more debates.... why is Donald Trump still involved with any of this crap? Why can't he just go away?


It's obvious. All this time, Newt and Trump have been lovers.

(What you think that "meeting" is about? Wink wink nudge nudge. Now you can vomit thanks to that image.)
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 11:43 AM

Quote:
Herman Cain wanted to be the very best, like no one ever was, but his quest to catch 'em all ended on Saturday.

The businessman and GOP presidential candidate stepped aside from the race on Saturday, bowing to falling polling numbers and growing sex scandal-related controversy. It was a sad moment for the conservatives who backed him, but a happy one for many video game and anime fans, as during his announcement, he finally admitted that he had been quoting Pokémon during various other speeches.

"I believe these words came from the Pokémon movie. I’m not sure who the original author is, so don’t go write an article about the poet, but it says a lot about where I am– where I am with my wife and my family, and where we are as a nation," Cain said. "Life can be a challenge. Life can seem impossible. It's never easy when there's so much on the line. But you and I can make a difference. There's a mission just for you and me."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/03/herman-cain-quotes-pokemon_n_1127221.html?ref=mostpopular
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 02:37 PM



I believe that Ron Paul and Huntsman declined the Trump debate/reality show. What an embarrassment if there was a debate and nobody showed up. lol



TIS
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 04:42 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Never mind how many more debates.... why is Donald Trump still involved with any of this crap? Why can't he just go away?
AMEN ! This hairball should go away , all he is doing is confusing the bastards even more.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 06:20 PM

Well that explains it.

Quote:


Other interesting bits of information pointed out by Talking Points Memo: Newt isn’t the most likeable according to poll respondents (8 percent), but he is considered by far the most experienced and knowledgeable candidate (58 percent).

Gingrich’s longtime habit of comparing himself to large historical figures also seems to be paying off. He easily won the question about which candidate is the most like Ronald Reagan.


Newt did end communism.

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/12/04/newt_gingrich_leads_in_latest_iowa_poll.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 10:58 PM

Reports circulating that Cain will endorse Newt.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 11:04 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Reports circulating that Cain will endorse Newt.


Maybe he's hoping for a VP spot. confused Yikes!!!

Btw, has anyone accepted the debate moderated by Trump?


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/11 11:44 PM

Newt did. Dont' know about the rest.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/11 02:37 AM

Local N.H. newspaper political cartoon - circa 1968. (or 2011?)

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111204/OPINION01/712049983/-1/opinion
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/11 04:14 AM

It's official: Cain will endorse Newt tomorrow.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/69765.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/11 07:23 AM

Ron Paul has been banned from wednesday's GOP forum hosted by the Republican Jewish Coalition for being "Too Extreme." Why?

Quote:
Paul has downplayed the implications of Iran gaining a nuclear weapon to the point of drawing a moral equivalency between that prospect and Israel having nuclear weapons. He has advocated ending foreign aid to Israel and has criticized military aid to Israel. Paul has also suggested the U.S. was at fault for the 9/11 attacks and that if America should withdraw its forces from the Middle East, terrorist groups such as Al Qaida would leave it alone.

Commentary Magazine compared Paul's views on Israel in particular and foreign policy in general to those of the "America First" isolationists during the 1930s and 1940s who admired Nazi Germany and were deaf to the fate of American Jews. Paul is like those who restrained America's reaction to the Nazi Holocaust, in its view.


Quite frankly, whether one thinks of Mr. Paul's foreign policy views (which range from principled anti-imperialism to naive reactionarism to independent critical thinking) they do not equate the systematic despot-driven extermination and genocidal murder of millions of minorities and dissidents.

Banning someone from your political party's public debate because his views "offend" you? All those assclowns "offend" me, but I wouldn't ban them. Jesus I don't remember any Democratic primary debates pulling such a stunt (even with Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson) to my knowledge.

Regardless if they had or not, this is stupid. No, this is retarded. The GOP applauds itself for standing up for the Constitution, by wiping their ass with it.

(Conspiracy Talk Time: Are people behind the scenes trying to squash the supposed potent (if minority) Paul support in Iowa that could theaten Newt or Mittens? Or is this just blunt ideological orthodoxy policing?)
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/11 10:57 AM

It's blunt ideological policing. Paul would not likely be the nominee anyway-too old and too rigid in his thinking. But he does seemingly take ideas seriously. This shunning is not really aimed at Paul-he's used to it by now. It's aimed at the next person that comes up talking like Paul does.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/11 12:12 PM

GOP's anti-Newt chorus holds its tongue

Quote:
But now Coburn – who declared a year ago that Gingrich is “the last person I’d vote for for president” and lacks the character to lead the nation — offers a brisk no comment when approached.

Former Rep. Bill Paxon, who sought to overthrow Gingrich, says he’d rather not revisit the past. Even Armey, the former majority leader under Gingrich turned fierce rival, has an aide say they’re “keeping quiet on Newt, for now.”



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/69750.html

Mitt's Media Blowback

Quote:
“I get the calculation they’re making,” Todd said. “Do they want to go through the constant, ‘Well, you said this, but then you said this’? Maybe they don’t want to do that. My guess is at some point they’re going to wish they did, but they are making the decision not to.”

That point may be now. One month out from the Iowa caucuses, with Gingrich breaking through in the polls, the media beast is growing increasingly restless and no longer feels the need to take Romney’s dismissiveness in stride.

“I think the zeitgeist moment that you’re seeing this week is Romney’s strategy beginning to backfire on him,” Klein said.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/69754_Page3.html#ixzz1ff0XEFVB

AP: Newt betting on South Carolina

Quote:
For three decades, the Republican who won South Carolina's presidential primary has also won the GOP nomination.

That record helps explain why Newt Gingrich, a self-described lover of history, is working more aggressively than any of his competitors to organize activists and volunteers ahead of the Jan. 21 primary, essentially pinning his candidacy on a state filled with Christian conservatives.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...ea3ca396ff5393e

and Newt's first Ad in Iowa. (Mitt, I dare ya to attack me!)

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/11 04:16 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
It's official: Cain will endorse Newt tomorrow.

Okay, now I'll vote for him tongue rolleyes.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/11 07:26 PM

"What kind of music do you listen to?"
"I like music of any kind."

If he was running for Most Awkard Guy at the high school prom, he would actually win this pretty easily.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/11 07:42 PM

Donald Trump has announced he'll give his endorsement "shortly" after the GOP debate he's moderating, which only Newt and Santorum have agreed to appear. Trump and Newt also have announced plans for an APPRENTICE program for poor kids.

and much to National Review's utter horror, The Donald is beating the Birther drums again.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/284917/trump-questions-obamas-birth-certificate-katrina-trinko
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/11 07:58 PM

DNC, in regards to your latest ad...you've done better.

Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/11 09:20 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Donald Trump has announced he'll give his endorsement "shortly" after the GOP debate he's moderating, which only Newt and Santorum have agreed to appear. Trump and Newt also have announced plans for an APPRENTICE program for poor kids.

and much to National Review's utter horror, The Donald is beating the Birther drums again.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/284917/trump-questions-obamas-birth-certificate-katrina-trinko
clap I am so excited I will be holding my can of hairspray ah shit I don't have any hair. I will send it to Donnie
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/11 10:56 PM

Dan Quayle will endorse Romney tomorrow.

(This Potatoe will stop the Newtmentum!)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/06/11 04:08 AM

Flip Flop Alert!

Romney now backs Obama's Payroll Tax Cut

Quote:
Mitt Romney endorses the Democratic proposal to extend the payroll tax cut he earlier derided as "like temporary little Band-Aids."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/06/11 04:17 AM

PPP- Iowa

Gingrich 27%
Paul 18%
Romney 16%
Bachmann 13%
Perry 9%
Santorum 6%
Huntsman 4%
Johnson 1%


Quote:
The biggest revelation though is electability. 33% of respondents said Gingrich was most electable versus 23% for Romney.


Quote:
Gingrich's rise to the top is being fueled by strong support from seniors and the Tea Party. With voters over 65 he's at 37% leading Romney's 18% and Paul's 11% by 19 and 26 points respectively. With Tea Party voters Gingrich is at 35% with Bachmann actually coming in at second with 23%, Paul in third at 14%, and Romney all the way back at just 4%.


Quote:
Paul's benefiting from the lack of action on the Democratic side this year. 20% of likely caucus goers are either Democrats or independents and with them he's leading the way
with 28% to 18% for Gingrich and 13% for Romney and Bachmann. He's also very strong with younger voters, getting 23% with those under 45 to 21% for Gingrich, 16% for Bachmann, and 15% for Romney.


Quote:
When PPP polled Iowa for the first time this year in January 57% of voters had a favorable opinion of Romney to 26% with an unfavorable one. Now he's at only 49/45, representing a 27 point decline in his net favorability over the course of the year.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/06/11 04:37 AM

I'm thinking of a word that starts with "P" and rhymes with Wussy.

Romney Runs From Another Reporter At Fox News Forum

Quote:
New York Times reporter Jim Rutenberg has relayed another embarrassing incident for Romney. Fox News allowed Rutenberg to sit backstage as Romney and several other candidates waited to participate in a forum hosted by the network's Mike Huckabee on his Saturday show. Rutenberg writes that, while Newt Gingrich chatted happily with him, Romney and his aides treated him as if he was a leper, and reacted in comically over-the-top fashion.


Quote:
Spotting the reporter, Mr. Romney’s aides sprang into action, asking where he worked and what he was doing there, and then insisting that he not physically approach Mr. Romney before or after he was questioned on television by the attorneys general and Mr. Huckabee.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/05/mitt-romney-media-nyt_n_1129097.html
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 12/06/11 10:43 AM

Egomaniac gets in "debate" with Chuck Todd.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/05/donald-trump-chuck-todd-msnbc_n_1129368.html
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/06/11 07:30 PM

check Blood Pressure, Pulse, and Respirations.

Just sayen ! This shit changes from day to day and what can a person do about it. But maybe have a good MI, this country right now has heart attacks walking around by the millions with no health insurance , no employement, protester's up the ass that don't know why they are out thar. And what fricken good are they doing .

Give me a MFen break.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 12/06/11 07:52 PM

Oh, Donald, STFU! You are a giant blowhard with an ego the size of Montana. Nobody cares what you think. This alleged debate that you are going to monitor is going to be mighty one-sided, since so far only Newt is showing up!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/06/11 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Oh, Donald, STFU! You are a giant blowhard with an ego the size of Montana. Nobody cares what you think. This alleged debate that you are going to monitor is going to be mighty one-sided, since so far only Newt is showing up!

It's true, Trump has become a carnival barker, and the rest of the GOP has become a traveling sideshow. They don't have a single candidate that appeals to the Independent voter. And winning back the Independents (like myself and Ronnie) was their only chance.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/06/11 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Oh, Donald, STFU! You are a giant blowhard with an ego the size of Montana. Nobody cares what you think. This alleged debate that you are going to monitor is going to be mighty one-sided, since so far only Newt is showing up!

It's true, Trump has become a carnival barker, and the rest of the GOP has become a traveling sideshow. They don't have a single candidate that appeals to the Independent voter. And winning back the Independents (like myself and Ronnie) was their only chance.
AMEN !
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 12:36 AM

Mittens, after bravely consulting the party, has passed on Trump's debate. Trump surprisingly swipes back:

Quote:
“It would seem logical to me that if I was substantially behind in the polls, especially in Iowa, South Carolina, and Florida, I would be participating in the debate. But, I can also understand why Governor Romney decided not to do it.”


Mittens weakly claims he passed because of "schedule" problems. Meanwhile he's planning to appear on FNC much much more now.

Anyway the Party is now panicking and they've sent off their best hitman to take care ofNewt: Karl Rove.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/mitt-romney-has-won-the-karl-rove-primary.php?ref=fpa

NYT/CBS and ABC polls have Newt with a 10+ lead in Iowa, the same as the last few other polls.

Quote:
Among Tea Party supporters, the perception of Gingrich as the candidate best-equipped to defeat Mr. Obama is even more pronounced - 45 percent view him as having the best chances to beat Mr. Obama, compared with 19 percent for Romney.


Quote:
Gingrich, meanwhile, walks away with views that he’s got the best experience to be president: 43 percent say so, followed by a vastly lower 16 percent for Romney, 13 percent for Paul. And 29 percent pick Gingrich as having the best chance to defeat Obama. Twenty-four percent give Romney the best shot; Paul lags badly here, with just 8 percent.

'
Nate Silver:

Quote:
Of the 11 competitive caucuses since 1980, the candidate leading in the polls a month in advance won them 8 times.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 01:21 AM

Fuck, Ronnie, I got mittens, I got silver, and a few other things what you think about this shit plain, and simple ! Besides we are fucked !
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 04:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Frosty
Fuck, Ronnie, I got mittens, I got silver, and a few other things what you think about this shit plain, and simple ! Besides we are fucked !


Then why bother living?

(Now if the Dolphins had won the Super Bowl in my lifetime...maybe I would agree with you. Until then, I'll be stubborn till my end. Or Super Bowl win. Whatever comes first.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 04:26 AM

Gingrich: I helped Romney get rich

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/06/gingrich-i-helped-romney-get-rich/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_politicalticker+%28Blog%3A+Political+Ticker%29
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 04:42 AM

You've got to admit it: This is a very effective ad.

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 04:53 AM

That IS a very good ad. I'm surprised I hadn't seen it til now.

smile




TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 04:16 PM

10 GOP Endorsements that Still Matter

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...l-election.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 05:11 PM

Quote:
Gingrich's favorable rating among white evangelical likely caucus-goers is 60 percent - compared to just 31 percent for Romney. Only 18 percent hold an unfavorable view of Gingrich, compared to 43 percent for Romney.... More than half of likely Republican caucus-goers (55 percent) say it is at least somewhat important a candidate share their religious beliefs, a figure that rises to 80 percent among white evangelicals. Eighty-five percent overall (including 77 percent of white evangelicals) say they would vote for a Mormon candidate, though just 67 percent say most people they know would vote for a Mormon.


Quote:
Another way to put this is that 23 percent of white evangelicals will not vote for a Mormon, period. They even ranked Gingrich's personal life higher than Romney's.


source: CBS News
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 05:31 PM

I think you have a thing for this Gingrich fella, Ronnie whistle.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 05:37 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I think you have a thing for this Gingrich fella, Ronnie whistle.


Must be the flubber that makes me sweat.

(OK you deserved that image. Now hush and let salute President Newt, Defender of Civilization.)
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 05:40 PM

Eeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww lol lol lol lol.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/11 09:40 PM

Oh boy.

Romney Not Really Sure How He’d Legally Stop Obamacare

Quote:
KLEIN: But what do your lawyers think as to why these waivers could take place, because I have the law here, and it says that it applies on January 1, 2017 - under the “waiver for state innovation.”
ROMNEY: When you say “it” — “it applies”?

KLEIN: The “waiver for state innovation” — under section 1332.

ROMNEY: The waiver for state innovation?

KLEIN: Yes, that’s the waiver that I believe that you’re talking about when you talk about state waivers. That’s what your campaign has said.

ROMNEY: Oh, they say it’s that in particular?

KLEIN: Yeah.

ROMNEY: Then I’d have to have Ben Ginsberg, our lawyer, sit down. If you really want to go into that and tell you what — if that’s important to you, we’ll have Ben Ginsberg give you a call and talk about what provision of the law we would seek to employ.



I don't believe he was acting.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/1...are.php?ref=fpb
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/08/11 08:03 AM

Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 12/08/11 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Oh boy.

Romney Not Really Sure How He’d Legally Stop Obamacare

Quote:
KLEIN: But what do your lawyers think as to why these waivers could take place, because I have the law here, and it says that it applies on January 1, 2017 - under the “waiver for state innovation.”
ROMNEY: When you say “it” — “it applies”?

KLEIN: The “waiver for state innovation” — under section 1332.

ROMNEY: The waiver for state innovation?

KLEIN: Yes, that’s the waiver that I believe that you’re talking about when you talk about state waivers. That’s what your campaign has said.

ROMNEY: Oh, they say it’s that in particular?

KLEIN: Yeah.

ROMNEY: Then I’d have to have Ben Ginsberg, our lawyer, sit down. If you really want to go into that and tell you what — if that’s important to you, we’ll have Ben Ginsberg give you a call and talk about what provision of the law we would seek to employ.



I don't believe he was acting.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/1...are.php?ref=fpb



He sounds more like Perry or Cain.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 12/08/11 02:58 PM

"I wrote the Constitution." --- Newt Gingrich
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/08/11 04:20 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
"I wrote the Constitution." --- Newt Gingrich
lol Bet he wrote it with a feather to. I bet he is on H.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/08/11 11:59 PM

Internet Hates New Rick Perry Ad, Makes Memes

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/12/internet-hates-new-rick-perry-ad-makes-memes.html?imw=Y

Also, Perry's people forgot to turn off the "Likes" button on that YouTube video. Of this posting, the"Likes" are 5,727. The "Dislikes"?268,105.

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 12/09/11 12:35 AM

Looks like it's just going to be Gingrich and Sanctorum at the debate.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/09/11 01:06 AM

Yea I just heard. Wanna bet it's cancelled? lol



TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 12/09/11 01:35 AM

Trump is now saying "It's really a Newsmax debate..."

I hope they don't cancel it just so people can listen to Trump and Gingrich tell each other how smart and cool they are while Sanctorum, as usual, gets ignored.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 12/09/11 01:36 AM

whos sanctorum? lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/09/11 01:47 AM

Lilo,

You know what? They may just do that. Let the two ego maniacs tell everyone how wonderful they are. rolleyes



TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 12/09/11 03:00 AM

That Perry ad is a disgrace, but what else is new? When the going gets tough, the GOP run to the right. Since when can't we celebrate Christmas?? I celebrate Christmas every year. It's a lovely holiday.

As for this country being founded on religion, this country was founded by a bunch of rebels who were looking for freedom from faith by force. Freedom of religion, to practice or not according to one's own beliefs, is a guaranteed right. The separation of governmental operations, such as public schools, from religion is another. Why does the right continually forget all that??

You want your kid to pray in school and celebrate Christmas? Then send them to a Christian school.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/09/11 04:13 AM

On June 28, 1787, Benjamin Franklin, noting the rancour among Convention delegates, moved that each day's proceedings begin with a pray. Although this motion was seconded by Roger Sherman of Connecticut, it was pretty much ignored. Several of the delegates, in an attempt to help Frankilin save face, debated the motion until Edmund Randolph proposed a substitute motion about pray that was voted on and defeated.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/09/11 04:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
That Perry ad is a disgrace, but what else is new? When the going gets tough, the GOP run to the right. Since when can't we celebrate Christmas?? I celebrate Christmas every year. It's a lovely holiday.

As for this country being founded on religion, this country was founded by a bunch of rebels who were looking for freedom from faith by force. Freedom of religion, to practice or not according to one's own beliefs, is a guaranteed right. The separation of governmental operations, such as public schools, from religion is another. Why does the right continually forget all that??

You want your kid to pray in school and celebrate Christmas? Then send them to a Christian school.


I totally agree. He IS definitely leaning far right for the nutjob crowd. I just have to crack up at all the on/off line jokes cause of the BrokeBack Mountain jacket he's wearing in the ad. lol

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/09/11 10:51 PM

Will Romney's Attacks Backfire?

Quote:
As with Gingrich today, Huckabee reacted to the spots by officially refusing to go negative. Instead, he attacked Romney for going negative, and then showed reporters a campaign ad he had decided not to run attacking Romney. It worked for Huckabee. In Iowa in late 2007, the negative attacks only confirmed voters suspicions of Romney as a robot candidate without clear conviction.


http://swampland.time.com/2011/12/09/mitt-romneys-return-to-negativeland/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+timeblogs%2Fswampland+%28TIME%3A+Swampland%29

EDIT - Two polls that are interesting for two different reasons.

Gallup: National GOP

Newt 37%
Romney 23%
Paul 9%
Perry 6%
Bachmann 6%
Santorum 2%
Huntsman 1%

Remember that meme that Mittens has hit a ceiling? So far I've nothing to dispel it.

And at the state where Mittens' Daddy was Governor...

National Strategy: Michigan

Newt 31%
Romney 29%

That primary, btw is 2/28/12.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/09/11 11:28 PM

I can't find it, but there is a scathing ad about Gingrich, attacking his marriages and him changing religions. I don't think it was another candidate that put it out but rather an organization. Anyone else see it?

smile
TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/10/11 12:29 AM

There's a Romney ad which highlights his 25 year marriage and his Mormon faith, but it doesn't attack anyone. However,there is one by World Net Daily that attacks his marriages.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/10/11 04:39 PM

Romney is going after Newt tonight.

(I liked his spin today that he lost the last primary election because he was the "Conservative" candidate. No Mitt, you lost because nobody liked you.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/10/11 05:23 PM

If he does comeback and defeat Newt, this shit will come back to haunt him.


Romney gushes over Ryan's Medicare Plan (which the Public Hates)

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/1...sed.php?ref=fpb
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/10/11 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I liked his spin today that he lost the last primary election because he was the "Conservative" candidate.

He lost the last primary because he wasn't conservative enough.

Unless you're anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-immigration, and pro-having kids with your first cousin, you'll never please some people.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/10/11 05:33 PM

IF the Dems are smart (and sometimes I wonder), they'll push on the medicare/SS Ryan plan issue. It WON'T sit well with seniors and truly, I don't think a lot of people are paying attention at this point. With Romney endorsing Ryan's plan, it benefits the Ds on this issue.

smile

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/10/11 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
IF the Dems are smart (and sometimes I wonder), they'll push on the medicare/SS Ryan plan issue. It WON'T sit well with seniors and truly, I don't think a lot of people are paying attention at this point. With Romney endorsing Ryan's plan, it benefits the Ds on this issue.

smile

TIS


Absolutely, and they're planning to do that. Romney was (initially) smart to try to avoid being directly connected with that hated plan, and would've worked if he had coasted to the nomination by default. If not for those meddling Republicans. Now forced by Newt, he's forced to try to run to the right, when its absolutely against his strategy for next fall.

The problem is if Romney has the well-earned reputation of shameless calculated pandering to the party base of what he thinks they want to hear, Newt from his (big) gut tells them exactly what they want to hear. He knows how to talk to that media. I mean try watchin that interview The Newt did with that Jewish group over Israel. Romney can promise his first oversee Presidential trip will be to Tel Aviv*, Newt promsies the fucking Book of Revelations.

I wonder how the debate tonight (yes another goddamn debate) will fare. Romney failed to throw a knock-out at Newt at the last debate, in fact got slapped a little bit for defending the hated NCLB big government fail. He's going to have to attack Newt, which could backfire. He's got no choice.

*=Hey UK, fuck you!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/10/11 06:36 PM

*Facepalm*

Mr. Obama, run with this!

GOP leadership blocks congressional insider-trading ban

Quote:
As Politico reports, House Financial Services Committee Chairman Spencer Bachus, who had been pushing the bill, was called into Eric Cantor’s office and told in no uncertain terms to make sure the bill was killed.

Bachus has dutifully done his master’s bidding.

Bachus, an Alabama Republican, had been skewered by a recent “60 Minutes” investigation that documented how he used information culled from high-level congressional meetings during the ‘08 financial crisis to make tens of thousands of dollars in profits. The so-called STOCK bill — Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge — was to have been his redemption.


http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/20...er-trading-ban/

EDIT - more bad news for Mittens.

Quinnipiac - Ohio

Newt 55%
Romney 28%

Quinnipiac - Pennsylvania

Newt 50%
Romney 31%
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/10/11 07:10 PM

This is pretty disturbing. Ron Paul said Republicans acted with glee after 911. frown

TIS

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/09/ron-paul-bush-administration-felt-glee-after-911/
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/10/11 07:21 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
This is pretty disturbing. Ron Paul said Republicans acted with glee after 911. frown

TIS

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/09/ron-paul-bush-administration-felt-glee-after-911/

That's hateful and horrible, Tis. Bush was a lot of things, but to imply that he was happy about the attacks is just wrong. Paul is a clown.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/10/11 11:33 PM

Glenn Beck: Newt supporters are racist

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/10/glenn-beck-newt-gingrich-obama-race_n_1140920.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/11/11 02:53 AM

From reading the blog commentaries, it seems the story of this debate so far was Newt slapping Mittens down with that insult: “the only reason you didn’t become a career politician is because you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994.”

Then Mittens quips back: “And if I’d made it into the NFL when I was a kid then I would’ve been a career football player over my life.”Really? If Newt is offering red meat, Mittens is offering Tofu. (Eat! It'll be good for you.)

Then Perry/Romney, Perry attacks him for re-writing his book and whitewashing his previous support for the individual mandate. The exchange:

Quote:

Perry: I’m just saying, you’re for it.
Romney: I’ve got the book. I’ll bet you $10,000.
Perry: I’m not a betting man.


I wish I had $10,000 in pocket change to toss out for a lame mundane bet. Most Americans would to.

EDIT - Of course Mormons don't supposedly believe in gambling. Unless a Texas Governor calls you a liar, then it's ok to offer a bet. But that won't be what will be reported tomorrow.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/11/11 03:12 AM

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/11/11 03:18 AM

Santorum's Fact of the Day: Did you know that America had NO allies against the Soviet Union?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/11/11 03:31 AM

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/11/11 03:51 AM

I missed a good part of the clown show but from what I've seen, is it just me or did Perry NOT mess up as badly this time? lol Who will get the poll bounce?


TIS

They are discussing that $10,000 bet right now. Consensus is it will not be good for Romney. Surprised? I mean really, who has 10gs to bet. Romney reminds me (looks-wise) as a political George Hamilton. lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/11/11 04:05 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I missed a good part of the clown show but from what I've seen, is it just me or did Perry NOT mess up as badly this time? lol Who will get the poll bounce?


Perry did better. The fact that he made Mittens look stupid, not the other way around, was awesome.


Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


They are discussing that $10,000 bet right now. Consensus is it will not be good for Romney. Surprised? I mean really, who has 10gs to bet. Romney reminds me (looks-wise) as a political George Hamilton. lol


Hey now, at least Mr. Hamilton has some dignity. lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/11/11 04:09 AM

RR,

I can just see the next Romney ad (put out by either Dems or Rs). It'll show him making that bet comment, along with the picture of him with money hanging out of his clothes. lol You just know it's gonna happen.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/11/11 04:11 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
RR,

I can just see the next Romney ad (put out by either Dems or Rs). It'll show him making that bet comment, along with the picture of him with money hanging out of his clothes. lol You just know it's gonna happen.


TIS


Oh it's already happening. Huntsman's campaign has just announced they're buying the domain web-name "www.10kBet.com"

And the Democrats released this shortly afterwards too:

Quote:
In tonight’s Iowa Debate Mitt Romney casually offered a $10,000 bet, after calling a $1,500 tax break for the middle class a band-aid. Mitt Romney may not know what $10,000 means to middle class families, but here’s what the average American family can buy with $10,000:

$10,000 Is More Than Four Months Pay For Most Americans (Median Income Was $26,197 in 2010) [Census.gov, accessed 12/10/11] $10,000 Is More Than The Average Public In-State Four-Year College Tuition ($8,244) [CollegeBoard, accessed 12/10/11] $10,000 Is Almost Three Times What The Average Family Spends On Groceries In A Year ($3624) [BLS.gov, accessed 12/10/11] $10,000 Would Cover More Than A Year’s Worth Of Mortgage Payments For The Typical American Home Purchased Today ($8,376) [National Association of Realtors, 10/6/11]
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/11/11 04:22 AM

I read (On TPM I think) that "what can $10,000 buy" is trending on twitter. lol GOP has to be cringing if Newt's their man.

lol

TIS

Listening to Current tv (the only channel that has analysis yet), they are giving it to Newt.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/11/11 04:52 AM

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/12/11 12:16 AM

Wow he's desperate.

Romney recruits Anne Coulter

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/1...?ref=fpnewsfeed
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/12/11 12:29 AM

LOL, First she says, "we'll get Romney and then we'll lose" and now it's "go Romney?" Yea that's the epitome of desperate all right. lol The guy got St. Gov. Christie's endorsement and that hasn't helped him, so Ann will? lol It IS getting interesting though.



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/12/11 12:37 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
LOL, First she says, "we'll get Romney and then we'll lose" and now it's "go Romney?" Yea that's the epitome of desperate all right. lol The guy got St. Gov. Christie's endorsement and that hasn't helped him, so Ann will? lol It IS getting interesting though.



TIS


Especially funny since Mittens last night called Newt an impulsive toxic mouth, which is true. But that applies as well to Anne.

First Glenn Beck calling Newt's supporters racist, I wonder how Anne can top that?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/12/11 12:43 AM

And to add to this clown carnival show, Santorum wants Palin's support lol It just keeps getting better. lol


TISW

http://www.omaha.com/article/20111205/NEWS01/712059914/1026120
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/12/11 02:14 AM

Several NBC polls came out today.

South Carolina - GOP

Newt 42%
Romney 23%

Florida - GOP

Newt 44%
Romney 29%

Florida

Obama 48%
Romney 41%

Obama 51%
Newt 39%

South Carolina

Obama 45%
Romney 42%

Obama 46%
Newt 42%
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/12/11 07:35 AM

The gift that keeps on giving for him.

Arab League condemns Newt

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_poli...stinian_remark/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/12/11 07:53 PM

LMAO

Rasmussen: GOP sees Newt as most electable candidate

Newt - 49%
Romney - 24%
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/12/11 08:01 PM

The GOP shouldn't even bother showing up next year. Unless the European economy completely shits the bed, slowing the recovery over here, they have zero chance of winning.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 12/12/11 08:04 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
The GOP shouldn't even bother showing up next year. Unless the European economy completely shits the bed, slowing the recovery over here, they have zero chance of winning.


Two months ago Obama was a dead man walking. Now he is the inevitable winner. We still have almost a year to go and that is forever. This thing could swing back and forth a dozen more times...and NOTA BENE I remain unconvinced our true enemy has yet to show his face......the GOP nominee may well not be in this field, and we could have a brokered convention.
I don't know what impact the bad news in Europe will have except if they go into the tank, and we follow everyone is going to blame "those Europeans."
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/12/11 08:07 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
and we follow everyone is going to blame "those Europeans."

Well, that's because it's their fault tongue.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/12/11 08:24 PM

Opps.

Quote:
Another audience member questioned the candidate about Santorum awarding former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky with the Angels in Adoption Award. Santorum explained that he lacked knowledge of the situation at the time and noted that the award has since been withdrawn.

In response to his explanation, the audience member asked, "So we shouldn't trust Obama with our kids, but we can trust you?"


http://www.northern-iowan.org/santorum-argues-for-return-to-past-ways-1.2682292#.TuYtp4VmQjx
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/13/11 12:08 AM

This is so stupid, yet it might actually work. Especially in these primaries. See I'm smart for opting for Spanish back in high school instead.

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/13/11 12:30 AM

LOL Is that really him speaking? lol Nice try Mitt!




TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/13/11 01:06 AM

Newt: The Evangelicals' Catholic

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/10...elical-darling/

EDIT - the Huntsman/Newt Lincoln/Douglas-stylized debate happened today in NH, and apparently nothing notable really happened. Neither was hurt by it, though if this was covered (it won't be), Huntsman could claim moral victory for standing up to the front-runner while Mittens pussied out.

Summary:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-gingrich-huntsman-lincoln-douglas-debate-20111212,0,6656850.story
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/13/11 04:32 AM

is even TWS turning on Mittens? If not now, well...let's just say surely they wouldn't be publishing this if Mittens wasn't 2nd place.

Over-estimating Mitt

Quote:

Romney’s electoral record becomes even more underwhelming when you examine the particulars. He first attracted national notice in 1994 when he mounted what was considered a strong challenge to incumbent senator Ted Kennedy. But when it came time to vote, Romney lost by 17 points in what turned out to be the best year for Republicans in more than half a century. In 2002, Romney won the gubernatorial race in Massachusetts. This victory—the triumph of a Republican in deep-blue Massachusetts—is now the cornerstone of his 2012 “electability” rationale.



Quote:


Yet Romney’s victory was, as a matter of raw political power, less impressive than it seems. Romney was actually the fourth in a string of Republican governors who ran the state from 1990 until 2006. Of that group, Romney received the lowest percentage of the vote, failing to break the 50-percent mark in his 2002 victory. He took home a smaller share of the vote even than Paul Cellucci, the political nonentity who won the 1998 election. After three years in office, Romney’s approval rating was so low that he was forced to abandon hope of reelection. Romney’s term concluded with a Democrat winning the governor’s office for the first time in 20 years.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/overestimating-romney_611846.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/13/11 04:45 AM

Rudy Giuliani: Newt might be "stronger" than Mittens

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/12/giuliani-gingrich-may-be-stronger-than-romney/
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/13/11 03:33 PM

This is hilarious: lol


TIS


Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 12/13/11 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
This is hilarious: lol


TIS




smile
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/14/11 07:48 PM

By MAGGIE HABERMAN | 12/13/11 6:58 PM EST

Within hours of the Des Moines Register report about his new hire saying this week that some evangelicals may vote against Mitt Romney because he's a Mormon, Newt Gingrich's campaign has parted ways with the staffer.

"Craig Bergman agreed to step away from his role with Newt 2012 today," Gingrich spokseman RC Hammond said in a statement. "He made a comment to a focus group prior to becoming an employee that is inconsistent with Newt 2012's pledge to run a positive and solutions orientated campaign."

The episode has once again entered the issue of Romney's Mormonism into the political bloodstream, albeit briefly, and with less thunder than the pastor backing Rick Perry committed the same act earlier this year. It also gives Gingrich something tangible to point to on the trail about running the clean campaign he has pledged.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 12/14/11 07:52 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
By MAGGIE HABERMAN | 12/13/11 6:58 PM EST

Within hours of the Des Moines Register report about his new hire saying this week that some evangelicals may vote against Mitt Romney because he's a Mormon, Newt Gingrich's campaign has parted ways with the staffer.

"Craig Bergman agreed to step away from his role with Newt 2012 today," Gingrich spokseman RC Hammond said in a statement. "He made a comment to a focus group prior to becoming an employee that is inconsistent with Newt 2012's pledge to run a positive and solutions orientated campaign."

The episode has once again entered the issue of Romney's Mormonism into the political bloodstream, albeit briefly, and with less thunder than the pastor backing Rick Perry committed the same act earlier this year. It also gives Gingrich something tangible to point to on the trail about running the clean campaign he has pledged.




This is classic. Now Newt can go round raising the "I don't tolerate anyone using Mitt's Mormon religion against him." Apparently Newt has no problem with calling people jaded by "kenyan anti colonialism," however.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/14/11 10:07 PM

A 'fat old white man' can't beat Bam: Right-wing host offers Newt $1 MILLION to drop out lol.

You can't write this shit lol lol.

Radio host Michael Savage offers Newt Gingrich $1M to drop out of 2012 election; rival Mark Levin fires back

Dueling radio hosts spar over GOP frontrunner's chances of beating Obama


NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Radio host Michael Savage has offered Newt Gingrich a million bucks to go away, saying a "fat old white man" can’t beat Barack Obama in the 2012 president election.

Savage’s rival radio host Mark Levin responded by offering Savage $100,000 to leave the radio.

So far, no one seems to be reaching for the money.

Savage, heard early evenings in New York on WOR (710 AM), holds some of the same positions as Gingrich. But he doesn’t care much for Gingrich himself, questioning his position on issues like immigration and criticizing his messy personal life.

More to the point, Savage explained on the air, the only relevant goal in 2012 is to beat Obama and Gingrich can’t do it.

"On television he will come off badly compared to Obama and look like nothing more than what he is, a fat, old, white man," said Savage.

Savage, who is not given to understatement, has suggested many times that if Obama wins a second term, America is finished.

Of course, to hear Savage talk, America is pretty much finished anyhow. He just seems to think Romney could buy it a little more time.

Meanwhile, speaking of not liking people, Mark Levin has never much cared for Savage – whom he calls "Weiner," which is Savage’s birth name.

So Levin, who is heard in that same early evening spot in New York on WABC (770 AM), offered Savage $100,000 to give up his radio show.

Levin added that this might happen even without the money, saying Savage is "losing affiliates left and right" because he "takes his audience for granted."

Levin has had a hot-and-cold relationship with Gingrich, blasting him in a long rant last year, but giving him airtime this year to explain some of his positions to Levin’s conservative audience.

Both Savage and Levin have large radio followings. By the most recent estimates of the trade magazine Talkers, Savage reaches more than 9 million listeners a week, making him the third most popular host in the country after Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

Talkers estimates Levin’s audience at more than 8.5 million, putting him in a tie for fourth place with Dave Ramsey and Glenn Beck.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...3#ixzz1gY7HBYhb


Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/15/11 02:32 AM

I'm...baffled. No seriously, I am.

I'm...baffled.

PPP - Virginia

Obama 48%
Romney 42%

Obama 50
Newt 43%
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/16/11 03:06 AM

I just listened to the Republican debate. Gingrich proposes that Congress issue subpoenas to SCOTUS justices to explain their rulings. Madonne! The ignorance.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/16/11 03:17 AM

I do not like how all (with the exception of Ron Paul) are so damn anxious to go to war with Iran. mad That's really scary.



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/16/11 03:17 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I just listened to the Republican debate. Gingrich proposes that Congress issue subpoenas to SCOTUS justices to explain their rulings. Madonne! The ignorance.


Not to mention Romney wanting double warships and 100,000 more troops in the miltiary. How to pay for that for everything else, nevermind the other promises to be fiscally conservative?

Santorum on Iran pretty much lays out possibly the biggest secret in American politics today: If the GOP is elected to the White House, There will be war in '13, almost a virtual repeat of '03.

And nobody cares.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/16/11 03:41 AM

Hilarious.

Quote:
Perry thinks that Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran are trying to attack the US via the Mexican border. Note how Obama's massive shift of resources to the border, his huge uptick in deportations, and the collapse of illegal immigration ... makes no difference to this crowd.


Quote:
Romney now proceeds to propose a biometrical card for legal immigrants. I have one in my wallet. It's called a green card. What are these people talking about?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/16/11 05:08 PM

Idiots.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 12/16/11 09:08 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Idiots.


they give idiots a bad name
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/17/11 03:35 AM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Idiots.


they give idiots a bad name
AMEN ! How about douche bags!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/17/11 07:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Frosty
Originally Posted By: BAM_233

they give idiots a bad name
AMEN ! How about douche bags!


Douches resent that association.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/17/11 08:00 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Frosty
Originally Posted By: BAM_233

they give idiots a bad name
AMEN ! How about douche bags!


Douches resent that association.
Your proably right about that. I guess all we can do is shake our heads and wonder how we have kept going down the tube the last few years , and just watch them. panic crazy
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/17/11 08:55 PM

When listening to the Republican debate the other night, Santorum stated that if elected he would repeal all of President Obama's regulations. It's statements like that that just irritate the hell out of me. As a government instructor, I know it's just not that easy, that there are any number of variables associated with even trying to do so let alone the consequences of doing so. However, it's just as irritating to know that there is ignorance aplenty out there among listeners about the Constitution and law who actually think that a President can do just about anything he wants.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/17/11 09:40 PM

They all BLOW out thar ass ! It is all a bunch of HEARSAY They SAY!

And not getting anywhar ! Anybody that believes these fricken primates of any party is ? Stupid as the fricken day and night are long mad They all talk with money hanging out of thar ass! And who put the money thar YOU AND I DID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/17/11 09:41 PM

The other day at the barber shop, I purposely was trying to avoid politics in such a public place in East Tennessee where tempers fly very quickly. (You never want to piss off somebody with sharp blades on your head)

I hear a conversation where a woman thought Romney came off as a "creep."

Never concocted that observation myself, but he certainly has a likeability problem in general.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/17/11 09:51 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
The other day at the barber shop, I purposely was trying to avoid politics in such a public place in East Tennessee where tempers fly very quickly. (You never want to piss off somebody with sharp blades on your head)

I hear a conversation where a woman thought Romney came off as a "creep."

Never concocted that observation myself, but he certainly has a likeability problem in general.
I shave my head ! And carry a 45cal. and maybe others wink I also shave myself, don't put myself in that spot. wink cool But I also don't try and get into that situation, because I am gonna say same frickin thing I said before lol and then the Pricks better get outta the way. Depends how my body is worken that day. Usually stay home when things are pissing me off. lol Just Sayen !
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/18/11 06:49 PM

Another alarming statement by a Republican presidential candidate voiced at the debates the other night was by Newt Gingrich. He wants Congress to subpoena SCOTUS justices to explain their rulings. How absurd. It's hard to think of aything that would be more injurious to impartial ajudication or the Constitution's separation of powers principle than such an action.

Are there any good Republicans/Conservatives on this Board who could respond to Newt's statement? God, I wish Apple was still around.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/19/11 01:44 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Another alarming statement by a Republican presidential candidate voiced at the debates the other night was by Newt Gingrich. He wants Congress to subpoena SCOTUS justices to explain their rulings.


Newt, they already do that. They're called decisions, whether majority or minority opinions.

Originally Posted By: olivant
How absurd. It's hard to think of aything that would be more injurious to impartial ajudication or the Constitution's separation of powers principle than such an action.


Exactly as the Founding Fathers intended!

Originally Posted By: olivant
Are there any good Republicans/Conservatives on this Board who could respond to Newt's statement? God, I wish Apple was still around.


I would say they either permanently vacated such threads after the troubles Double J and Patrick threw at each other and everyone else. Or quite possibly, they're ashamed to be publicly identified with their current Party.

I certainly would be.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 12/19/11 01:48 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Are there any good Republicans/Conservatives on this Board who could respond to Newt's statement? God, I wish Apple was still around.


Why don't you two get a hotel room somewhere? It wouldn't be too expensive... I'm sure you'd kill each other within 24 hours.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/19/11 01:50 AM

Hilarious.

Quote:
Mitt Romney proudly published a letter today in the Des Moines Register from former Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS) endorsing him for president.

Four years ago, Romney said that Dole "is the last person I would want to have write a letter for me."
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/19/11 02:07 AM

You know it seems the Dems will have it so easy making Romney ads. They simply need to play Romney himself on any one issue, talking both sides of the fence. It sounds so simple. lol


On a very disturbing note, California Tea Party politician, Jules Manson, posted on Facebook today that President Obama and his family should be assassinated. California has nutjobs? Who would have thought? lol

Seriously, what a horrible thing to post. Not only threatening but racist as well.


TIS

http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-nati...bama-and-family
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/19/11 02:27 AM

Madonne TIS! I can't believe it. What could he possibly hope to achieve and what could he possibly think would be the results?

I wonder if Ron Paul and the Tea Party will respond.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/19/11 02:30 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: olivant
Another alarming statement by a Republican presidential candidate voiced at the debates the other night was by Newt Gingrich. He wants Congress to subpoena SCOTUS justices to explain their rulings.


Newt, they already do that. They're called decisions, whether majority or minority opinions.



Exactly. That was my first thought. Read their majority and concurring opinions and you'll know everything about their decisions you could want to know.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/19/11 02:45 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Madonne TIS! I can't believe it. What could he possibly hope to achieve and what could he possibly think would be the results?

I wonder if Ron Paul and the Tea Party will respond.


I don't know Oli. How/why he thought that was ok to post is beyond me. I haven't heard anybody speak out on it yet today. I'm guessing Ron Paul will though. This guy is a reminder of how crazy some people are. And these people want to run for office. God help us! panic


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/19/11 03:26 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


Seriously, what a horrible thing to post. Not only threatening but racist as well.


TIS

http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-nati...bama-and-family


It's also a federal felony crime, even if you're joking.

Fun Fact: Until JFK's assassination, it wasn't a federal offense to murder the POTUS.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 12/19/11 03:28 AM

The Secret Service should arrest this man immediately for threatening the President. According to this law:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_18_00000871----000-.html

anyone who threatens the President, VP, or President-Elect or VP-Elect, can be fined, imprisoned for five years, or both.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/19/11 03:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
The Secret Service should arrest this man immediately for threatening the President. According to this law:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_18_00000871----000-.html

anyone who threatens the President, VP, or President-Elect or VP-Elect, can be fined, imprisoned for five years, or both.


I bet you $10,000 MittensBucks that the guy tomorrow will claim that he was drunk when he posted that statement.

(Hey it worked for Mel Gibson.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/19/11 09:15 AM


Quote:
Leno named off several of the candidates and Paul gave his opinion of each.

•Mitt Romney: “He used to be governor of Massachusetts … maybe that’s what he should stay at – being governor. He’s a nice guy.
•Newt Gingrich: “He should run for Speaker of the House again.”
•Michele Bachmann: “She doesn’t like Muslims. She hates Muslims. She hates them. She wants to go get them.”
•Jon Huntsman: “He’s a nice person, and he’s a good diplomat. He knows what diplomacy is all about. And he’s a thoughtful person.”
•Rick Santorum: “Gay people and Muslims.”



http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/17/ron-pa...to-go-get-them/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/20/11 08:15 AM

In which Mittens speaks out against repealing all of Obamacare back in the day, wanted to keep both the Mandate and the ban on denying people coverage because they’re already sick.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/1...ast.php?ref=fpa
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/20/11 05:33 PM

Ok, anyone who is following AND understands this tax extension vote:

Both parties voted and the two month extension passed (with support of many republicans). NOW GOP (Boehner) objects (for lack of a better word)or rescinds. It's my understanding that Boehner wants it to go to "conference." The Dems said (Pelosi just yesterday) they would NOT send any Dem to conference. My question, so now what? Say no Dem goes to conference?? confused


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/20/11 05:44 PM

Boehner has become as much an albatross to his party as Pelosi is to hers. I've had it with all of them. They're enough to make you apolitical.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/22/11 01:14 AM

Romney: Iraq invasion was a mistake. But it wasn't!

Sunday:

Quote:
"At the time, we didn't have the knowledge that we have now," Romney said, pointing to intelligence before the war suggesting that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. After the war, U.S. and international inspection teams did not find those weapons, which had been the basis for much of the Bush administration's case for invading Iraq. The invasion, Romney said, was "appropriate" because the U.S. acted "in light of that belief," that is, in intelligence that ultimately turned out to be faulty.


Today:

Quote:
In an interview with MSNBC’s Chuck Todd today, Mitt Romney asserts that "of course" invading Iraq was a bad idea now that we know Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction. ("If we knew at the time of our entry into Iraq that there were no weapons of mass destruction, if somehow we had been given that information, obviously we would not have gone in.") Four years ago, Romney said just the opposite. ("It was the right decision to go into Iraq. I supported it at the time; I support it now.")
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/22/11 02:28 AM

I agree with Romney. We thought Iraq possessed WMDs and that served as the basis for our invasion. At the very least, with the knowledge we now have about Iraq, WMDs could not be used as that basis. Therefore, it's probable that an invasion would not have taken place.

Nevertheless, we've planted the seeds of democracy in the Middle East where they probably would not have been planted for the foreseeable future.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/22/11 03:11 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I agree with Romney. We thought Iraq possessed WMDs and that served as the basis for our invasion. At the very least, with the knowledge we now have about Iraq, WMDs could not be used as that basis. Therefore, it's probable that an invasion would not have taken place.


Without any sense of irony, that party wants to repeat Iraq with Iran. Are we going to have a deja vu repeat of this a decade from now from the same assholes feeding us that line now? Do we have another trillion under the couch?

Last I checked, we have something called military deterrence. We're a goddamn super power. Iraq in both wars was fucking Wisconsin, and Iran is Venezuela. The whole idea is if anybody steps on Superman's cape, they get destroyed.

With such whitewashing currently going on by the Party who sanctioned and greenlighted the biggest American military blunder since Vietnam, people forget: military deterrence worked on Saddam after '91. He was contained, he wasn't a serious military threat with few to nofriends in that region (save Syria and numerous piss-ant militias/terrorist groups.)

Originally Posted By: olivant


Nevertheless, we've planted the seeds of democracy in the Middle East where they probably would not have been planted for the foreseeable future.


Yes piss away billions of infrastructure for those "new free" countries, but any cent for Americans or our schools or bridges or whatever? SOCIALISM!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/22/11 03:13 AM

Quote:
"I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours... I don't think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort."


-- Mitt Romney, quoted by Reuters in 2008, on the United States entering Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden.

Quote:
"I think other presidents and other candidates like myself would do exactly the same thing."


-- Romney, in an interview on MSNBC earlier today, downplaying credit for Obama for ordering the raid in Pakistan that finally killed Osama bin Laden.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 12/22/11 02:31 PM

Mitt Romney is pandering to the right. Now he is calling for Obama's uncle to be deported cause he was charged with a DUI. He referred to this man as "Uncle Abdul." Maybe Romney's magic underpants made him say it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/24/11 02:35 AM

Trump quits GOP

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-opens-way-independent-white-house-run-212103063.html
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 12/26/11 01:19 PM

Washington Post

Quote:
For the first time since Barry Goldwater made the effort in 1964, the Republican Party is taking a run at overturning the consensus that has governed U.S. political life since the Progressive era.

Obama is defending a tradition that sees government as an essential actor in the nation’s economy, a guarantor of fair rules of competition, a countervailing force against excessive private power, a check on the inequalities that capitalism can produce, and an instrument that can open opportunity for those born without great advantages.

Today’s Republicans cast the federal government as an oppressive force, a drag on the economy and an enemy of private initiative. Texas Gov. Rick Perry continues to promise, as he did last week during a campaign stop in Davenport, Iowa, to be a president who would make “Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your life as he can make it.” That far-reaching word “inconsequential” implies a lot more than trims in budgets or taxes.

The GOP is engaged in a wholesale effort to redefine the government help that Americans take for granted as an effort to create a radically new, statist society.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/26/11 09:20 PM

I will vote for anyone but O ! He gets in for another term and those who think it is bad now Welcome to HELL !
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/26/11 11:57 PM

How much change do we want ? I sure as the Hell have had enough ! Even most African American's are sayen the same. The young vote is going towards Ron Paul, 76 years old he might vaporlock before he goes to far out of the gait, and no war, yeah fricken right confused what world are you living in . People can't live with thar familys let alone with anyone else . star Think about it. Let's get over the shit and really think about this. We are in some serious shit here.

Just Sayen !
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/27/11 12:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Frosty
I will vote for anyone but O ! He gets in for another term and those who think it is bad now Welcome to HELL !


If the Mayans are right, we'll be spared.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/27/11 12:36 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Frosty
I will vote for anyone but O ! He gets in for another term and those who think it is bad now Welcome to HELL !


If the Mayans are right, we'll be spared.
You can go with him ronnie and I will go with God, I know him wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/27/11 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Frosty


You can go with him ronnie and I will go with God, I know him wink


Mayans are an extinct people, not a person.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/27/11 01:27 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Frosty


You can go with him ronnie and I will go with God, I know him wink


Mayans are an extinct people, not a person.
K you can have the cocnut and have fun lol
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/28/11 04:43 AM

Hell about time for ronnierocketAGO to show. I have been hare about 10 minutes ! lol

And hares, ronnie ! wink cool
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/28/11 08:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Frosty
Hell about time for ronnierocketAGO to show. I have been hare about 10 minutes ! lol

And hares, ronnie ! wink cool


Just curious, what do you personally think of Mr. Mitt Romney?
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/28/11 06:37 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Frosty
Hell about time for ronnierocketAGO to show. I have been hare about 10 minutes ! lol

And hares, ronnie ! wink cool


Just curious, what do you personally think of Mr. Mitt Romney?
Personally, he appears to be cool under pressure. He did have a funny with Newter with Lucy and the chochlate , I pictured Newter in Lucys spot which he is. I am not for Rommneycare. He did fairly well in Mass. but ohwell ya got me he also talks out of two orfice's ! But that is Politic's. It is turning out to be a very dirty election alot of saying things and then they won't stand up and admit to it or Hear Say stuff.

I wish I could do better for ya ronnie
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 12/28/11 09:47 PM

Obama is the most vulnerable incumbent since Jimmy Carter. But, unlike Carter, who faced a formidable opponent (Reagan), Obama stands an excellent chance of winning. The GOP debates have worn down every candidate and exposed their flaws. Romney keeps leading, but by small margins. Nobody's enthusiastic about him, so he wins by default. Everytime someone new pops up with a new idea, he surges to the front--only to be dragged down by his quickly exposed flaws, weaknesses and skeletons in his closet.

So, if it's Romney, a lot of GOPs are going to sit on their hands in the presidential election. Also, there's a good chance that someone like Paul or Bachmann will launch a third party candidacy that will guarantee an Obama victory. And even if they don't, Romney's likely to make the same mistake McCain made in 2008--he'll keep looking to the Right, to assure them he's one of them, and not to the Middle, where the people are who elect presidents.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/28/11 10:24 PM

That is the way it's lookin.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 12/28/11 11:00 PM

Gop Primary Ridiculous

Quote:
Because Barack Obama has adopted so many core Republican beliefs -- particularly in the realm of foreign policy -- the Republican race is a shambles.
...
In fairness to the much-maligned GOP field, they face a formidable hurdle: how to credibly attack Obama when he has adopted so many of their party's defining beliefs. Depicting the other party's president as a radical menace is one of the chief requirements for a candidate seeking to convince his party to crown him as the chosen challenger. Because Obama has governed as a centrist Republican, these GOP candidates are able to attack him as a leftist radical only by moving so far to the right in their rhetoric and policy prescriptions that they fall over the cliff of mainstream acceptability, or even basic sanity.
...

How do you scorn a president as a far-left socialist when he has stuffed his administration with Wall Street executives, had his last campaign funded by them, governed as a "centrist Republican", and presided over booming corporate profits even while the rest of the nation suffered economically?
...

..when it comes to the foreign policy and civil liberties values Democrats spent the Bush years claiming to defend, the only candidate in either party now touting them is the libertarian Ron Paul, who vehemently condemns Obama's policies of drone killings without oversight, covert wars, whistleblower persecutions, and civil liberties assaults in the name of terrorism.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 12/29/11 01:43 PM

Johnson Goes Rogue

Quote:
Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson announced Wednesday that he will run for president as a Libertarian Party candidate in 2012. He will almost certainly be the only presidential candidate on the ballot in all 50 states supporting the legalization of same-sex marriage.
Johnson’s support for same-sex marriage, and President Barack Obama’s opposition to it, could put the support and votes of gay Americans in play during the election.
Lt. Dan Choi, who was discharged from the military under the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, told The Daily Caller, “I am not in the habit of endorsing candidates and I no longer belong to any party, but I hold Governor Johnson in highest regards and think he would be an amazing president.”

Choi, who has declared in the past that he won’t vote for Obama again, called Johnson “a patriot, a hero, a fighter and a friend. I salute him proudly and wish him the very best in his campaign.”
GOProud executive director Jimmy LaSalvia similarly indicated that gay voters may consider voting for Johnson.
“Gov. Johnson may very well attract gay voters because of his position on same-sex civil marriage, but I think that everyone on the ballot in November is going to give Obama a run for his money,” said LaSalvia.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 12/29/11 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
And even if they don't, Romney's likely to make the same mistake McCain made in 2008--he'll keep looking to the Right, to assure them he's one of them, and not to the Middle, where the people are who elect presidents.

I agree, TB. Instead of pandering to the right, Romney should focus on the Independent voters that nominated Obama to begin with.

As far as the nomination, Romney will get it (sorry, Ronnie). I've been saying it for months: The other candidates poll up; the other candidates poll down. Romney stays right where he is, which will be enough to win in this EXTREMELY weak GOP field of 2012.

If the talking heads on Fox and the other Right leaning media decide to back him (and I don't think they will), it may get interesting. But Obama will still win in the general election, unless the economy completely shits the bed again. Because if people are still out of work, well, you just never know.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/29/11 08:49 PM

Ron Paul ? whatya think ? Hell at 76 saw him with Leno last night don't look bad for his age. He knows alot .
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/29/11 10:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Frosty
Ron Paul ? whatya think ? Hell at 76 saw him with Leno last night don't look bad for his age. He knows alot .


Unlike Mittens, Paul may be crazy but he's certainly a likeable fella.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 12/30/11 10:22 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Frosty
Ron Paul ? whatya think ? Hell at 76 saw him with Leno last night don't look bad for his age. He knows alot .


Unlike Mittens, Paul may be crazy but he's certainly a likeable fella.
Hell he may be old but. Gotta give him credit I would have a parley with him .
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/12 04:03 PM

Just read this (intended for a good laugh not to start a political debate with Left vs Right)

"Democrats are sexy and Republicans are not. Have you ever heard of a good piece of elephant?" lol Isn't that hilarious?



TIS
Posted By: Mark

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/12 04:05 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Just read this (intended for a good laugh not to start a political debate with Left vs Right)

"Democrats are sexy and Republicans are not. Have you ever heard of a good piece of elephant?" lol Isn't that hilarious?



TIS


What if the GOP ran a Michele Bachman/Sarah Palin ticket? lol
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/12 04:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Obama is the most vulnerable incumbent since Jimmy Carter. But, unlike Carter, who faced a formidable opponent (Reagan), Obama stands an excellent chance of winning. The GOP debates have worn down every candidate and exposed their flaws. Romney keeps leading, but by small margins. Nobody's enthusiastic about him, so he wins by default. Everytime someone new pops up with a new idea, he surges to the front--only to be dragged down by his quickly exposed flaws, weaknesses and skeletons in his closet.

So, if it's Romney, a lot of GOPs are going to sit on their hands in the presidential election. Also, there's a good chance that someone like Paul or Bachmann will launch a third party candidacy that will guarantee an Obama victory. And even if they don't, Romney's likely to make the same mistake McCain made in 2008--he'll keep looking to the Right, to assure them he's one of them, and not to the Middle, where the people are who elect presidents.



It will be interesting to see who Romney picks as a runing mate. I would not rule out Latino or a woman.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/12 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Obama is the most vulnerable incumbent since Jimmy Carter. But, unlike Carter, who faced a formidable opponent (Reagan), Obama stands an excellent chance of winning. The GOP debates have worn down every candidate and exposed their flaws. Romney keeps leading, but by small margins. Nobody's enthusiastic about him, so he wins by default. Everytime someone new pops up with a new idea, he surges to the front--only to be dragged down by his quickly exposed flaws, weaknesses and skeletons in his closet.

So, if it's Romney, a lot of GOPs are going to sit on their hands in the presidential election. Also, there's a good chance that someone like Paul or Bachmann will launch a third party candidacy that will guarantee an Obama victory. And even if they don't, Romney's likely to make the same mistake McCain made in 2008--he'll keep looking to the Right, to assure them he's one of them, and not to the Middle, where the people are who elect presidents.



It will be interesting to see who Romney picks as a runing mate. I would not rule out Latino or a woman.


or both
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/12 07:51 PM

What about the Chris Christie rumor?? Or did the Governor ruin that with his "I'll be back Jersey style," comment the other day?? He's so obnoxious. And that's coming from a New Yorker! lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/12 07:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
What about the Chris Christie rumor?? Or did the Governor ruin that with his "I'll be back Jersey style," comment the other day?? He's so obnoxious. And that's coming from a New Yorker! lol


I'm thinking Christie will be considered but I tend to think only certain people like him and don't know if most people will like his know it all arrogance and sarcasm. confused We'll see. He doesn't seem impressive at all if you ask me.


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/12 07:56 PM

He's impressive, TIS, the same way a parade float is impressive. He's been doing an awful lot of campaigning for Romney for someone who isn't expecting something in return, be it VP or a cabinet post.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/12 07:59 PM

But he said he felt he wasn't ready for Presidency and wanted to finish NJs work. Yet, as VP you must be ready to take over for President if, God forbid, anything happened. So he'd be ready for VP but not President?

That being said, ANY candidate who would consider Palin or Bachman as VP I think would be very very simply put, dumb. lol



TIS
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/12 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
What about the Chris Christie rumor?? Or did the Governor ruin that with his "I'll be back Jersey style," comment the other day?? He's so obnoxious. And that's coming from a New Yorker! lol


"Jersey style"? Never heard of "Jersey style." Sounds rather perverted to me... whistle

I read that Santorum would nullify gay marriages if elected.

Amazing at it sounds, I do believe that there actually are gay Republican voters. I can't imagine that comment would sit well with them.

Signor V.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/12 08:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
What about the Chris Christie rumor?? Or did the Governor ruin that with his "I'll be back Jersey style," comment the other day?? He's so obnoxious. And that's coming from a New Yorker! lol


"Jersey style"? Never heard of "Jersey style." Sounds rather perverted to me... whistle

I read that Santorum would nullify gay marriages if elected.

Amazing at it sounds, I do believe that there actually are gay Republican voters. I can't imagine that comment would sit well with them.

Signor V.


You haven't heard of Log Cabin Republicans?

A President doesn't have any Constitutional or statutory authority to nullify gay marriages. Even attempting to do so would cause an uproar from states as a Prima facie violation of federalism that the federal courts would uphold.
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/12 11:15 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
You haven't heard of Log Cabin Republicans?


I had, but drew a blank as far as their name when I posted before. Brain freeze.

Originally Posted By: olivant
A President doesn't have any Constitutional or statutory authority to nullify gay marriages.


Which is what struck me when I read it. But still, for Santorum to go out on a limb and say it.... rolleyes

Signor V.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 12:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli[quote=olivant
A President doesn't have any Constitutional or statutory authority to nullify gay marriages.


Which is what struck me when I read it. But still, for Santorum to go out on a limb and say it.... rolleyes

Signor V. [/quote]

That's one thing that chaps me about presidential candidates ... the way they use I, I, I as if there are not two other branches of governemnt. I especially get chapped when a candidate states that they will lower taxes. No they won't. Only the Congress can do that. I think those candidates presume too much.

But Santorum is something of a religious fanatic. You usually don't hear of a Catholic described that way. But as a former Catholic, I know of what I speak.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 01:07 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant

That's one thing that chaps me about presidential candidates ... the way they use I, I, I as if there are not two other branches of governemnt. I especially get chapped when a candidate states that they will lower taxes. No they won't. Only the Congress can do that. I think those candidates presume too much.


That's because they assume their voters are ignorant morons. And if elected officials reflect their voters...

Originally Posted By: olivant


But Santorum is something of a religious fanatic. You usually don't hear of a Catholic described that way. But as a former Catholic, I know of what I speak.


With exception of Paul, that entire field are full of religious fanatics. Yes even Mittens, who may or may not sincerely believe the homophobic government activism the GOP has preached and practiced for the last several decades, but he'll carry that rhetoric (if softened) and policy.

Poor Paul, he could've won more votes if he threated gays a national threat just like the other candidates.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 02:12 AM

I saw Santorum on TV yesterday, on either "Meet The Press" or "Face The Nation" (I was flipping back and forth between the two since they were both covering the Iowa caucus). He was completely defensive and divisive. He swore that the President has refused to meet with Boehner and other Republicans for "the past six months", and was promptly reminded about the debt ceiling vote and how often they had all met, he changed his tune.

Btw, here's Governor Chris "Soprano" Christie, threatening the people of Iowa if they don't do "the right thing" and give the win to Romney.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 02:31 AM

See I don't buy Christie's threat.

No I won't crack a joke about having the state pay for a helicopter ride to fly his fatass over to Iowa to "readjust" that voting bloc.

But let's admit it: If you have a chopper, a helicopter ride out to Iowa is a very very very long away. And he's going to get very very very hungry.

Point is, he'll make some buffets rich between Jersey and Iowa. It'll take him a week to make the journey.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 05:02 AM

Have any of you heard about this regarding Rick Santorum? I don't know when it happened. I think it was many years ago. What do you think, especially you ladies? The boy only lived two hours after birth:

"We kept little Gabriel with us that night and we brought him home the next day," Santorum said at a campaign stop in Newton, Iowa. "We brought him home so our children could see him."
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Btw, here's Governor Chris "Soprano" Christie, threatening the people of Iowa if they don't do "the right thing" and give the win to Romney.

I guess Christie doesn't mind propagating the stereotype of the blue collar New York/New Jersey guy as thuggish rolleyes.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Have any of you heard about this regarding Rick Santorum? I don't know when it happened. I think it was many years ago. What do you think, especially you ladies? The boy only lived two hours after birth:

"We kept little Gabriel with us that night and we brought him home the next day," Santorum said at a campaign stop in Newton, Iowa. "We brought him home so our children could see him."



Oli,

I just heard about that yesterday and only picked up a little more today. Do I understand then that the baby was stillborn and they brought the body home so the family could see him?

I have never heard of such a thing and am surprised a hospital would allow it. I can imagine the grief of the loss, but this sounds a little eerie to me. panic


TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 07:50 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: olivant
Have any of you heard about this regarding Rick Santorum? I don't know when it happened. I think it was many years ago. What do you think, especially you ladies? The boy only lived two hours after birth:

"We kept little Gabriel with us that night and we brought him home the next day," Santorum said at a campaign stop in Newton, Iowa. "We brought him home so our children could see him."



Oli,

I just heard about that yesterday and only picked up a little more today. Do I understand then that the baby was stillborn and they brought the body home so the family could see him?

I have never heard of such a thing and am surprised a hospital would allow it. I can imagine the grief of the loss, but this sounds a little eerie to me. panic


TIS


this sounds more creepier than the duggard family.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 07:52 PM

That's what I understand happened.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 08:58 PM

That's the creepiest thing I ever heard, and I worked in funeral service for twenty five years and heard some real doozies.

Who could he possibly hope to impress by sharing such maudlin information?

Pandering for the empathy/sympathy vote is tacky at best. This is just more evidence that the religious right won't allow a middle-of-the-road (read: sane) Republican to get the nomination.

These guys are making George Bush Junior look at least as smart as, well, George Bush Senior.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
That's the creepiest thing I ever heard, and I worked in funeral service for twenty five years and heard some real doozies.

Who could he possibly hope to impress by sharing such maudlin information?

Pandering for the empathy/sympathy vote is tacky at best. This is just more evidence that the religious right won't allow a middle-of-the-road (read: sane) Republican to get the nomination.

These guys are making George Bush Junior look at least as smart as, well, George Bush Senior.


off topic: you worked in the furinal business?

on topic: i really don't know why he had to share this story, it's just the wrong way to go with sympathy votes.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 09:15 PM

Sympathy votes? What about the Vomit Vote?? UGH!

I could see if the baby was given a limited time to live and they wanted him to die at home, but why bring a dead baby into the house and subject his surviving siblings to that? Too weird and creepy for words.

My mom had another baby two years before I was born, but the baby didn't survive. The nun at the hospital was reluctant to let my DAD see her body, much less let him bring it home and parade it around the neighborhood.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 09:33 PM

OK, just looked this up online. The baby had a fatal birth defect and they knew he wouldn't survive outside the womb. However, they refused an abortion, which was principled of them. They refused to let the morgue take him off for burial. They spend the night after his death at the hospital and slept with the dead baby between them. Then they took him home the next day to meet his siblings.

Now I really may throw up.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/03/12 09:37 PM

Wow, that is creepy. uhwhat It sounds like an episode of "American Horror Story."



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 01:35 AM

CBS' exit polls had 40% say economy is #1 issue, followed by the deficit at 36%. 40% of voters also just made their decision in the last few days.

(And this means...I have no clue.)
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 03:32 AM

Anyone else following the Iowa Caucus? Looks like it'll go down to the wire. Geez, at this point, if it ends this close, is there really any winner? confused

Santorum 24
Romney 24
Paul 22

(49 per cent reporting)


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 03:38 AM

TIS, the Iowa caucuses are more meaningful to the candidates than voters. They indicate who are viable candidates and who are not and help them make decisions about whether they'll stay in the race or not. Since cnadidates get onlya proportionof the Republican nomination delegates, they don't mean much statistically. However, a strong showing can also attract financial support. The bigger test is the New Hampshire primary next week.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 03:40 AM

Oli,

I know the Caucus is different with few voting. As far as NH, isn't it more or less a given that Romney will win because it's his neck of the woods? confused


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 03:53 AM

Erickson (Red State):

Quote:
If you put a gun to my head and said Romney or Santorum, I would say pull the trigger.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 03:59 AM

Isn't it ironic that the Iowa caucus has been a 3 way... something so vastly against their family values.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 04:23 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Oli,

I know the Caucus is different with few voting. As far as NH, isn't it more or less a given that Romney will win because it's his neck of the woods? confused


TIS


At this point in time, his lead in the polls is large. But, the Iowa rsults could narrow that margin. Since New Hampshire runs a traditional primary, its results can be significantly different from Iowa's.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 04:28 AM

I hear Fox News had Mark Sanford on. uhwhat He must have gotten back from the Appalachians. lol



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 06:26 AM

Perry has officially not just suspended his Presidential campaign, but also easily the biggest presidential primary flop in a dog's age.

So yes Texas, unfortunately you're getting him back.

Keep him this time.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 06:31 AM

So anyway, whats the FNC spin?

"Romney WINS!!!"

or is it

"Romney wins but Santorum is the STORY!"

Poor Ronnie Paul at#3. Fascinating how the one candidate against perpetual pre-emptive war was apparently the only one to attract significant Democratic and Independent cross-over voters, and actually excited the youth behind him. And why not? He was the only sincere (if slightly bonkers and probably racist) candidate that wasn't puckering up to the 1980s.

Will those groups go to Ricky or Mittens now or the fall? (Better yet, why would they?)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 07:43 AM

Congrats Mittens, you won Iowa by just 8 votes.

Go ahead and brag. I know it'll come off as silly as the New York Yankees bragging about beating a Single-A minor league farm club, but hey that works for you dude because you have no shame!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 08:17 AM

Total Iowa Votes

Romney '08: 30,021
Romney '12: 30,015
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 02:14 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Total Iowa Votes

Romney '08: 30,021
Romney '12: 30,015




Wow, that is amazing. Mittens just can't feel the love. lol


Btw, I see that Newt is up bright and early trashing Romney. LOL He's pissed at all the negative ads. lol Then again, Romney, thus far, has pretty much slid by unscathed by "real" attack ads. It's his turn I guess.




TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 04:10 PM

Looks like Bachmann is going to "suspend" her campaign this afternoon.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 04:20 PM

Santorum will not come clse in NH, and now that Mittens has Newt in a tizzy we can expect a ton of negativity, which is good for the Dems.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 05:21 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
. . . and now that Mittens has Newt in a tizzy we can expect a ton of negativity, which is good for the Dems.

Agreed.

It will also benefit the Dems if the wingnuts drop out sooner rather than later. If they hang around in the Primaries, it will benefit Mittens, because the people who would vote for a Perry or a Bachmann are probably more likely to vote for Santorum or Paul.

So as a Democrat, you'd rather see a long, drawn-out bloodbath with the Republicans. If the wingnuts stay in play, Romney will coast to the nomination. If they drop out, I still think he'll get it, but the cost will be very high, what with the infighting and negative campaigning that a close race will bring.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 05:28 PM

Ding-Dong the psychotic is out.

Michele Bachmann Drops Out of Presidential Race

By Amy Bingham | ABC News

Rep. Michele Bachmann will "suspend her campaign" a senior campaign officials tells ABC News, just hours after placing last in the Iowa caucuses and vowing to continue in South Carolina.

Bachmann finished sixth in Tuesday's Iowa caucus.

Iowa has played a visible and vital role in Bachmann's campaign since its inception.

It became the backdrop of her presidential bid when in June she announced her candidacy in her hometown of Waterloo.

It became the springboard for her stint, albeit short-lived, as the GOP frontrunner after she secured the top spot at the Ames Straw Poll in August.

And today it became the insurmountable hurdle that ended her run for the White House after she finished dead last among the GOP candidates competing in the Iowa caucus.

Bachmann, a three-term congresswoman from Minnesota, emerged on the national political scene riding the wave of Tea Party activism. As the founder of the Tea Party Caucus in Congress, Bachmann's socially conservative, family-oriented approach initially captured the support of the staunch conservatives and evangelical Christians.

Bachmann has five children of her own and has taken in 23 foster children.

She supports a constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and a woman and opposes abortion under any circumstances. She came under fire in June after a gay patient treated at the Christian counseling center Bachmann and her husband own told ABC News that the clinic tried to "pray the gay away" using so-called reparative therapy.

She also took some heat after implying that the HPV vaccine, which rival candidate Rick Perry mandated as Texas governor, could cause mental retardation in young girls, a claim the American Academy of Pediatrics said was had "absolutely no scientific validity."

When it comes to the economy, which the majority of voters say is their No. 1 issue this cycle, Bachmann touts her experience as a "federal tax litigation attorney" aka tax evasion prosecutor for the IRS.

Her tax code tag line is often that every American should pay at least some income taxes, rather than just 47 percent who currently pay them. Bachmann says that broadening the tax base will pay for tax breaks for high-income earners.

Bachmann's 11-point jobs and tax proposal, the "American Jobs, Right Now" blueprint, also calls for ending taxes on repatriated profits and expanding domestic energy production.

The Minnesota congresswoman claimed that Perry's flat tax plan, which he announced in October, is an "imitation" of her plan.

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery; thank you Governor Perry for using my ideas for your tax plan," Bachmann posted on her Facebook wall shortly after Perry announced his plan.

After a similarly poor showing at the Iowa caucus Tuesday, Perry said he will take a few days off to "determine if there is a path forward for myself in this race."

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 05:51 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Santorum will not come clse in NH, and now that Mittens has Newt in a tizzy we can expect a ton of negativity, which is good for the Dems.


Don't be so sure. NH has a large Catholic and working class population. The former is Santorum's faith and the latter is something that Santorum has emphasized in his campaign.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 09:37 PM

Is there a less flattering picture of Ms. Bachmann than this? Candidates need to learn not to eat corn dogs!

Attached picture Bachmann.JPG
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 09:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Is there a less flattering picture of Ms. Bachmann than this?


She'd get my vote if she swallowed that whole.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/12 11:09 PM

Originally Posted By: SC

She'd get my vote if she swallowed that whole.


If she had, by the twisted look on her face, she might've suffered a seizure.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 04:53 AM

How much each candidate spent per Iowa vote:

Perry $478.40
Romney $154.90
Paul $103.30
Newt $89.84
Santorum $20.50
Bachmann $3.95
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 05:12 AM

"We're going to be defining Romney out of the mainstream of the Republican party." - Newt
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 03:43 PM

Well it just goes to show a leopard's spots do not change. Its the "Old Newt," and he can do for his party's presidential hopes in 2012 what he did in 1996.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Well it just goes to show a leopard's spots do not change. Its the "Old Newt," and he can do for his party's presidential hopes in 2012 what he did in 1996.

Well, there was no way Old Man Dole was beating Slick Willie in '96 anyway, but your point is well taken. Newt is the same guy today that he was 15 or 20 years ago, with the same backwards, angry, cracker mentality. He wasn't fooling anyone who didn't want to be fooled.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 06:02 PM

Good article by Stanley Crouch (who I seldom agree with).

The year of the Republican loon

From Boehner to Paul, the right has shown itself to be crazier than ever


Stanley Crouch, NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Although this new year is just beginning, it is clear that we are still fighting some version of the Civil War, North against South, urban American life versus the rural version. Perhaps we get the most insight into our ongoing problem from the “Goon Show” tendencies that have taken over the GOP.

Those tendencies come through the influence of the Tea Party, which has no respect for compromise. We recently saw its power when some in the House of Representatives pushed Speaker John Boehner into a position on the payroll tax holiday that brought the elephants scorn from every corner of America — even from fellow Republicans like Sen. Mitch McConnell.

President Obama and his troops had the Republicans backed into a corner where they might lose at least a few of the gains that the 2010 midterm election had given them, and Republicans aware of how angry voters were over the issue did not intend to be smashed against the wall by some congressional refusal to extend the payroll tax holiday as promised. One must always stand tall, but sometimes you have to know when to slide if it is too hard to glide.

Today’s GOP reflects in detail what happened to it when rednecks left the Democratic Party and became Republicans. It was a done deal when Presidents Nixon and Reagan made it clear that being something as American as a redneck would not cause party bosses to close the door on them.

They had to drop some casual insults but would finally have a voice on Capitol Hill, Southern accent and all. They meant additional power to the elephants. More rednecks, more votes. More votes, more power. We have lived through that for a while.

Ron Paul, a Texan like Rick Perry, seems to have few qualms about the racist ideology his newsletter once harbored, just as Perry had none about using a hunting ranch that was once called “N ----rhead.”

Newt Gingrich said Paul will be rejected “as people get to know more about Ron Paul, who disowns 10 years of his own newsletter, says he didn’t really realize what was in it, had no idea what he was making money on, had no idea that it was racist, anti-Semitic, called for the destruction of Israel.” There it is.

Paul may seem comical to some, but it is important to realize that Jon Stewart’s jokes will not do what serious reporting from the media can actually accomplish. Last week in the Daily Beast, Howard Kurtz attacked the media for not looking into terrible things said in Paul’s newsletter because Paul had not placed high in the polls until recently. The common wisdom now is that renewed attention to Paul’s use of free but reprehensible speech will not harm him in the Iowa caucus.

The question facing us all and rising from the mud that covers the media is whether any side, right or left, conservative or supposedly progressive, will look hard at any candidate expressing views with which they happen to agree. The impeachment of President Clinton is an example.

Had the first President Bush loudly and self-righteously denied having sex with an intern not far from the legal age of consent, then been proven a liar, feminists would still be marching in front of the White House. But Clinton was seen as a friend of feminists and one willing to put women in positions of power and authority. Therefore, many on the left gave “Slick Willie” a pass.

This is a troubling tendency to look the other way that we might one day move beyond by growing up. For now, though, our nation still scars its knees crawling behind the so-called celebrity culture we take much too seriously.

crouch.stanley@gmail.com

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/columnists?columnist=Stanley+Crouch#ixzz1ibkmyuNp
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 06:38 PM

The CPAC keynote speaker this year is The Mistress of Alaska.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/01/05/palin_looks_to_regain_spotlight.html
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 06:42 PM

My first thought is oh boy! rolleyes YET, she does draw crowds and in the midst of the wingnut clown show this election season why not have the head clown. I wonder if SHE endorses Santorum IF the lapdogs would follow? confused



TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 06:45 PM

She's so fucking dangerous that I can't even laugh at her anymore mad.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 06:52 PM

Since 1992 there have been five Presidential elections. Of those five, the Democrat contender received the most popular votes. The exception was the 2004 election. During the 2008 election, the Democrat received 10 million (7+%) more votes than the Republican. I've not read or heard the media comment on this. I think it deserves analysis. It will be interesting to see what the spread will be this year.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 06:52 PM

And I am certain she is just itching to get back in the spotlight especially since she probably won't be asked if she's gonna jump in the race at this point. She never intended to but would love for people to ask her to. God forbid! panic



TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
And I am certain she is just itching to get back in the spotlight especially since she probably won't be asked if she's gonna jump in the race at this point. She never intended to but would love for people to ask her to. God forbid! panic

She'd do about as well as Bachmann did, Tis. And she KNOWS it.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 07:08 PM

The military moves Obama made today will be great fodder for the Reps going through the election.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 07:10 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
The military moves Obama made today will be great fodder for the Reps going through the election.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll claim that this is the first step in completely dismantling our military.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 07:11 PM

Romney has already stated that he would add 100k soldiers to the DOD and double the size of the Navy. Why? Imagine the expense.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 07:15 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Romney has already stated that he would add 100k soldiers to the DOD and double the size of the Navy. Why? Imagine the expense.

Bingo!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 07:18 PM

Well, we're winding down two wars, time for another. mad "Bomb bomb bomb Iran" seems to be an appropriate catch phrase for them. rolleyes



TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 07:25 PM

Alot of the comments by candidates are out of ignorance or are intended to influence a relatively uninformed public. For one, I believe that only Perry and paul have military service. Romney sure doesn't. Being in the military doesn't necessarily imbue one with military strategic knowledge. However, not being in the military can contrast sharply with one's military-related proposals.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
However, not being in the military can contrast sharply with one's military-related proposals.


Dating back to Kennedy, it seems the Presidents have had progressively less military experience.

Obama: No military experience

Dubya: National Guard, Stateside during Vietnam

Clinton: No military experience

George HW Bush: Naval Reserve, WWII

Reagan: Army, Stateside during WWII

Carter: Navy, Naval Academy during WWII, Sea duty during Korean War

Ford: Navy, Saw combat on USS Monterey during WWII

Nixon: Navy, WWII

Johnson: Navy, Silver Star, WWII

Kennedy: Navy, Combat in WWII
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/05/12 07:43 PM

Of course. As time goes by, that tendency may be reversed due to the number of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans that may choose to run. However, even service does not eqaute to strategic knowledge. I served and I wouldn't consider myself sufficiently well versed to make Presidential military decisions based solely on it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/06/12 12:21 AM

A pivot: FDR. Never served in the military, but he was Assistant Secretary to the Navy under Wilson.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/06/12 12:22 AM

Romney Promises To Blow A Bigger Hole In The Deficit

Quote:
Households making more than $1 million would get an average tax cut of almost $300,000, largely because, as owners of capital, they’d receive the bulk of the benefit of Romney’s very generous corporate tax reductions.


http://taxvox.taxpolicycenter.org/2012/01/05/romney%E2%80%99s-tax-plan-big-benefits-for-the-wealthy-and-higher-deficits/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+taxpolicycenter%2Fblogfeed+%28TaxVox%3A+the+Tax+Policy+Center+blog%29
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/06/12 06:01 AM

Iowa Caucus Vote Counter Says Santorum Won, Claims Typo Gave Romney 20 Extra Votes

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/0...otes/?mobile=nc
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 01/06/12 03:11 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
However, not being in the military can contrast sharply with one's military-related proposals.


Dating back to Kennedy, it seems the Presidents have had progressively less military experience.

Obama: No military experience

Dubya: National Guard, Stateside during Vietnam

Clinton: No military experience

George HW Bush: Naval Reserve, WWII

Reagan: Army, Stateside during WWII

Carter: Navy, Naval Academy during WWII, Sea duty during Korean War

Ford: Navy, Saw combat on USS Monterey during WWII

Nixon: Navy, WWII

Johnson: Navy, Silver Star, WWII

Kennedy: Navy, Combat in WWII


George H.W. Bush saw combat as a carrier based torpedo/bomber pilot during WWII and was shot down by flak. He received several medals and honors in his military career.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/06/12 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
George H.W. Bush saw combat as a carrier based torpedo/bomber pilot during WWII and was shot down by flak. He received several medals and honors in his military career.

Yeah, my bad, DM. That's pretty common knowledge. Didn't he jump out of an airplane when was like 80 with some of his old war buddies as some sort of reunion?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/06/12 06:36 PM

(CNN) - Mitt Romney's numbers in South Carolina are surging (37%), and he now has a solid lead over his rivals for the Republican presidential nomination, according to a new survey of likely GOP primary voters in the Palmetto state.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/07/12 07:31 AM

McCain Forgets Romney’s Name

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/08/12 04:17 AM

Quote:
I think Mitt's going to have some problems with this jobs answer. Mitt Romney just insisted that his 100,000 jobs number includes both jobs gains and jobs losses. But in fact his own top advisor said only a few days ago that the 100,000 number came from the jobs created from three companies and did not include the losses.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/01/steppin_in_it.php?ref=fpblg

Santorum: ‘There Are No Classes In America’

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/3740?ref=fpa
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 01/08/12 09:53 AM

We have been getting a bit of this Republican hoopla on our news over here in good old blighty but one snippet of info gave me a bit of a chuckle. Only 6% of Americans apparently know Mr. Romneys real first name is actually Willard, which doesn't say much for his popularity i would say, but my point is that a certain percentage thought his real name was Gromit?????

Fuck me, thats hilarious tongue
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 01/08/12 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
We have been getting a bit of this Republican hoopla on our news over here in good old blighty but one snippet of info gave me a bit of a chuckle. Only 6% of Americans apparently know Mr. Romneys real first name is actually Willard, which doesn't say much for his popularity i would say, but my point is that a certain percentage thought his real name was Gromit?????

Fuck me, thats hilarious tongue


i thought his first name was Flip, and middle name Flop.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 01/08/12 07:17 PM

Ronnie, I hope that President Obama uses that clip in every single commercial.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/08/12 07:40 PM

Anyone watch the debate last night (or this morning there was another one on very early)? Evidently if Rick Perry were President, he'd send troops back to Iraq. panic Now there's a good reason to vote for him. lol Bye bye Ricky Boy.



TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/08/12 07:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Ronnie, I hope that President Obama uses that clip in every single commercial.


SB,

I am sure the Obama team is savoring some of these moments. Heck they can attack Romney just by playing his own words for and then against any one issue. lol They had a great ad to that affect I think I posted a while back.

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/08/12 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Anyone watch the debate last night (or this morning there was another one on very early)? Evidently if Rick Perry were President, he'd send troops back to Iraq. panic Now there's a good reason to vote for him. lol Bye bye Ricky Boy.



TIS


I watched much of it. I enjoy listening to Paul. His statements serve as a sharp contrast with the statements of those others. Perry seems to respond to the latest headlines. As Santorum continues, more and more peole will see him as trying to wed Catholicism and politics. I think for many Republicans, Romney is looking like the safe cabdidate.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/08/12 07:59 PM

Oli,

At first I thought perhaps Santorum (or one of the others) might stand a chance. However, the more Santorum,Gingrich open there mouths the more I think they're toast. I'm guessing the Republicans who hate Mitt will either have to bite the bullet, plug their nose and vote for him or vote for one of the others that they know won't win. confused


TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 01/08/12 10:23 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Oli,

At first I thought perhaps Santorum (or one of the others) might stand a chance. However, the more Santorum,Gingrich open there mouths the more I think they're toast. I'm guessing the Republicans who hate Mitt will either have to bite the bullet, plug their nose and vote for him or vote for one of the others that they know won't win. confused


TIS


santorum sounds like a fucking idiot. who wants to get rid of birth control? that's really taking a religious view to the extreme.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/09/12 02:44 AM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233


santorum sounds like a fucking idiot. who wants to get rid of birth control?


Romney

When he backed the "Personhood Amendment" down in Mississippi which among other things would've also banned In Vitro Fertilization (IVF). Did that (stupid) measure got its ass kicked at the ballot, and Romney ran away from ownership of that position like it was the plague.

Sure he was stroking off the base when he did that, but that doesn't excuse him.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/09/12 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: BAM_233


santorum sounds like a fucking idiot. who wants to get rid of birth control?


Romney

When he backed the "Personhood Amendment" down in Mississippi which among other things would've also banned In Vitro Fertilization (IVF). Did that (stupid) measure got its ass kicked at the ballot, and Romney ran away from ownership of that position like it was the plague.

Sure he was stroking off the base when he did that, but that doesn't excuse him.




Maybe Romney is schizophrenic.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/09/12 11:09 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso


Maybe Romney is schizophrenic.


No, more and more I think he might actually be the dumbest guy* in that field. Give him a chance to articulate himself outside of his well-rehearsed talking points, and he'll choke to death on his own foot.

Romney: "I Like Being Able To Fire People"

Cut, paste, print, and repeat.

He might've actually given the incumbent better ammo than "Corporations are People," "I was once unemployed too," "I was afraid of getting the pink slip," and the many more gaffes we're apparently sure to get in the next 10 months.

Dumbass.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/romney-i-like-being-able-to-fire-people.php?ref=fpb

*=after Rick Perry, of course. But when Perry is populist attacking you as a jobs killer in South Carolina (and well, if too late for him)...or that damn $10,000 gaffe which made Perry look smart in that exchange.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/09/12 11:56 PM



"Literally A Textbook Case Of Executive Greed And Mismanagement"

Quote:
Buzzfeed Politics digs up more shady behavior surrounding Romney's Bain years.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/in-bains-crash-an-ambiguous-romney-role

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/10/12 02:50 AM

Poll: 58% of Republicans want more presidential choices

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5...ential-choices/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/10/12 08:02 AM

Good Democratic ad, right? Wrong, Newt produced this.

Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/10/12 04:59 PM

Thought Newt was going to run a positive campaign
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/10/12 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Thought Newt was going to run a positive campaign

He's the same redneck lowlife he was twenty years ago.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/10/12 08:41 PM

I finally lived long enough to hear Republicans attacking capitalism. Madonne! Has hell frozen over?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 12:11 AM

http://blogs.detroitnews.com/politics/2012/01/10/no-really-romney-likes-firing-people/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 01:47 AM

Quote:
This is interesting: among voters under 30, Ron Paul beat Mitt Romney by 48 to 23 percent. It's a tie for the 30somethings. Romney dominates the older demo. Gingrich does very well with the elderly.


Quote:
Paul won the Independent vote over Romney, 31 to 27 percent. Huntsman won the Democrats overwhelmingly. Together, the non-Republicans were slightly more numerous than actual Republicans.


Quote:
Catholic voters put Santorum and Gingrich dead-last. The two Mormons, in contrast, won a combined 61 percent of the Catholic vote to the two Catholics' 21 percent. More Catholics preferred Ron Paul to either Newt or Mitt.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 01:52 AM

Newt got his ass kicked, but he's not going down without blood spilled.

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 02:00 AM

Brit Hume on Fox appeared exercised by Ron Paul's relatively strong showing. He said that he stands as much chance as winning the nomination as Ru Paul. He also criticized Newt Gingrich. I think Hume is concerned that Paul and Newt could dampen the Republican presidential election turnout or that Paul could make a 3rd party run resulting in Obama's reelction.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 02:05 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Brit Hume on Fox appeared exercised by Ron Paul's relatively strong showing. He said that he stands as much chance as winning the nomination as Ru Paul. He also criticized Newt Gingrich. I think Hume is concerned that Paul and Newt could dampen the Republican presidential election turnout or that Paul could make a 3rd party run resulting in Obama's reelction.


Absolutely.

Weird how a candidate that has the youth fired up (and for a Republican candidate) and won both the Catholic and Independent vote is considered the fringe candidate.

EDIT -
Quote:
9.01 pm. So far, Paul looks as if he will get more votes than Santorum, Perry and Gingrich combined. But somehow, all three are serious candidates and Ron Paul is RuPaul.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 02:06 AM

Well, Paul may never win Presidency, BUT even taking 2nd the media seems to skim over him. LOL I'm hearing Paul's speech right now and he sure sounds happy and IS going to continue on. Gingrich & Santorum can't be feeling too good right now, doing way worse the Paul. Then again, it was pretty much expected Romney would win NH.

I think the GOP would really fear an Independent run on Paul's part, though most don't think that will happen.

smile
TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 02:10 AM

"Make a profit. That's what it's all about, right?" - Mitt Romney

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-10...hless-rich.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 02:46 AM

Nate Silver:

Quote:

With 85 of 301 precincts reporting, 52,191 voters have cast a ballot in the Republican primary so far. That projects to about 185,000 votes statewide, as compared with about 240,000 votes in the Republican primary in 2008. The drop-off in turnout looks worse for Republicans since a higher fraction of voters - about half this year, compared to 37 percent in 2008 - are independents. That means that turnout among registered Republicans could alone be off by nearly 40 percent from 2008.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 02:59 AM

And we kept hearing the Republicans talking about an enthusiasm gap on the Democrat side. lol

Man, I heard Romney, then Paul than Huntsman now we got Santorum/Gingrich. Will last place Perry speak as well? lol

I am guessing Perry will drop out but I don't get that impression from any of the others.


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 03:23 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Nate Silver:

Quote:

With 85 of 301 precincts reporting, 52,191 voters have cast a ballot in the Republican primary so far. That projects to about 185,000 votes statewide, as compared with about 240,000 votes in the Republican primary in 2008. The drop-off in turnout looks worse for Republicans since a higher fraction of voters - about half this year, compared to 37 percent in 2008 - are independents. That means that turnout among registered Republicans could alone be off by nearly 40 percent from 2008.




CNN reports a record turnout.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 03:25 AM

Although I don't remember numbers, I heard the same report RR posted listening to MSNBC. They said the turnout was half of what it was in 08. confused


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 03:27 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant


CNN reports a record turnout.


Weren't they a tad optimistic? Anyway I'll up the numbers in the morning, after Fox News is done calling Paul a fluke.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 04:18 AM

John Huntsman's speech" "I say 3rd place is a "ticket to ride" ladies and gentlemen." He was very upbeat for 3rd place. lol




TIS
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 08:33 AM


"The Iranians come back in and take over that country."
What is Rick Perry talking about? 1983-87 when Iran fought back the Saddam's troups?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 01:08 PM

Recently Romney kidnapped Rick Perry to ensure that Perry carried a proposal to the other Republicans. We now have a short transcript.

Perry: "Gingrich is going to come after you with everything he's got!"

Romney: "That will be his first move, sure. I want you to talk to them, Rick. Talk to all the other candidates, that weirdo Paul, my co-religionist Huntsman, wacky Santorum, even that fat Gingrich. Tell them nobody wants a war. The Republican elected officials won't allow it. And the PACS stand behind me with all of their money. It's 2012 for Christ's sake. I'm a businessman, Rick. Blood is a BIG expense. And now, you can go."
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/11/12 05:50 PM

Talk about a Manchurian Candidate:

On the campaign trail, Santorum often touts his grandfather’s flight from Italy “to escape fascism,” but he has neglected to publicly mention their close ties with the Italian Communist Party. “Rick’s grandfather Pietro was a liberal man and he understood right away what was happening in Italy,” Mrs. Santorum told Oggi. “He was anti-fascist to the extreme, and the political climate in 1925 was stifling so he left for America. After a few years he returned to Italy with his wife and children, including Aldo, Rick’s father, who passed away late last year. It’s a shame he won’t have the joy to see his son’s success in his bid for the White House.” She goes on to explain how the family then became pillars of the Communist Party in Italy.

http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-communist-clan-113600418.html
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 02:36 AM

Golden Shower's are over !
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 05:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Frosty
Golden Shower's are over !


Considering that alleged Marines tape floating around, that sentence really came about from bad timing.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 05:48 AM

I haven't seen the source video for this, so maybe it was taken out of context like that (stupid) "I like to fire people" gaffe. But either way, how tone deaf this will be interpreted.

Romney: Income Inequality Should Only be Talked About in "Quiet Rooms"

Quote:
Mitt Romney was asked by Matt Lauer whether questioning Wall Street practices and the "distribution of wealth and power" in America today is a legitimate issue. He suggested it was nothing more than class warfare and envy.

Dan Amira: "To sum up, for the video impaired: Romney thinks gripes about income inequality reflect nothing but envy, and that such topics should only be discussed in 'quiet rooms.' What Romney is saying is, maybe we can debate income inequality and the abuses of Wall Street, if you insist on it, but it's nothing to get upset about."


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/0...ms.html#045668a

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/01/romney-quiet-rooms.html
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 05:20 PM

Mitt’s support: deeper than you think

By MICHAEL BARONE

To win just under 40 percent of the vote in a primary of six candidates is pretty impressive, even for a candidate like Mitt Romney, who started off with significant advantages in New Hampshire.

Yes, he is well-known there because he was governor of next-door Massachusetts, had run before and owns a house on Lake Winnipesaukee. But the exit poll indicates Romney held his own among independents, Tea Party supporters and late deciders.

He didn’t lose ground in the heat of the campaign, despite his ragged performance in Sunday’s debate and his Monday statement (instantly regretted if I read the videotape right) that “I like being able to fire people who provide services to me.”

Romney easily exceeded the 25 percent ceiling that many critics perceived, and he’s running at least a bit above that in polls in the next primary states, South Carolina and Florida.

Reporters covering New Hampshire had a hard time getting a feel for why people supported Romney. Polling indicated that his voters were more firm in their support than backers for other candidates. But while Romney had no trouble filling the venues of his relatively few late campaign events, you didn’t encounter many Romney fans at other candidates’ events.

What you did encounter was many voters who said they were undecided and, in the last week, many who said they’d narrowed their choice down to Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum.

My sense is that these were tactical voters, waiting to see which candidate had momentum and gauging their mettle at campaign appearances. In relatively secular New Hampshire, they clearly broke more for Huntsman, who lived in the state and held more events there than anyone else, than for Santorum, who delighted in taking hostile questions on such issues as same-sex marriage, or Newt Gingrich, who alternated between events on such issues as brain science and attacks on Romney’s business career.

The exit poll makes it clear that Romney has connected with many self-described conservative and Tea Party Republicans. His standard speech includes encomiums of the Founding Fathers and quotations from the Declaration of Independence.

As best-seller lists testify, Americans in recent years have a growing interest in the Founders, and one Tea Party movement achievement is that voters are measuring candidates’ policies against the Founders’ principles.

All six candidates have obtained tickets to South Carolina, some first class and some wangled with the political equivalent of frequent-flier miles. Rick Perry flew into New Hampshire for the two debates at which he pitched his appeal to South Carolinians and then flew right back south.

Santorum got his ticket from his tied-for-first finish in Iowa. Gingrich, suspiciously specific about the contents of his supposedly independent super-PAC’s 27-minute anti-Romney film, also is headed down there.

Huntsman did well enough in New Hampshire to get the chance to make his case in South Carolina. Ron Paul, who finished second, was going to keep on keeping on no matter what.

South Carolina Republicans have a tradition of backing winners, going back to Strom Thurmond’s backing of Richard Nixon over Ronald Reagan at the 1968 national convention. In 1988, Thurmond protegé Lee Atwater engineered South Carolina’s early primary to help his candidate, George H.W. Bush.

Ever since, the state, which voted from 88 percent to 99 percent Democratic in Franklin Roosevelt’s days, has clinched the GOP nomination — and not for the candidates deemed most conservative: Bush in 1988 and 1992, Bob Dole in 1996, George W. Bush in 2000 and John McCain in 2008.

Romney’s flight path to the nomination seems clear. But he’s going to have competition, which is good for him and for the Republican Party, and victory is not assured. He still must earn it.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/ope...K#ixzz1jGWVgs3L
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 05:36 PM

Apparently, there is some buzz developing about Romney's Mexico family roots. What will that come to?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Apparently, there is some buzz developing about Romney's Mexico family roots. What will that come to?

It shouldn't mean any more than his Mormon roots. Which is to say it shouldn't matter at all. But with certain xenophopic conservatives, it probably will.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 05:46 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Apparently, there is some buzz developing about Romney's Mexico family roots. What will that come to?

It shouldn't mean any more than his Mormon roots. Which is to say it shouldn't matter at all. But with certain xenophopic conservatives, it probably will.


Well, I'm getting concerned. A President maybe born in Kenya; Huntsman's affection for China; Santorum's allegience to the Pope; Romney's Mexico roots; and, last but not least, Paul is from Pittsburgh!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
and, last but not least, Paul is from Pittsburgh!

Well, if a guy with five daughters can overlook the fact that his Pittsburgh quarterback is a rapist because he won two Super Bowls, then voting for Paul isn't much of a stretch tongue grin.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 05:54 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
and, last but not least, Paul is from Pittsburgh!

Well, if a guy with five daughters can overlook the fact that his Pittsburgh quarterback is a rapist because he won two Super Bowls, then voting for Paul isn't much of a stretch tongue grin.


Be easy now.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 05:54 PM

You know I'm kidding lol.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 05:58 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You know I'm kidding lol.


Well, I've never been good at judging the intentions of people from Throggs Neck.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You know I'm kidding.


Well, I've never been good at judging the intentions of people from Throggs Neck.


oli shoots and scores!! clap
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 06:08 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You know I'm kidding.


Well, I've never been good at judging the intentions of people from Throggs Neck.


oli shoots and scores!! clap

"Go on encourage him. I want -- I want you to get me a drink -- go on."
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 06:09 PM

It ain't Pop's birthday.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
It ain't Pop's birthday.

I knew that wouldn't escape you wink.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 11:11 PM

I love this headline.

Krauthammer: Obama Saved The US Auto Industry

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/287978/krauthammers-take-nro-staff
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/12 11:17 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I love this headline.

Krauthammer: Obama Saved The US Auto Industry

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/287978/krauthammers-take-nro-staff
lol RR, gagged and didn't even have ta use a spoon ! I never saw that but it so much sweeter when you bring it ! Swear on my mothers eyes .
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/13/12 04:45 PM

Looking finer in Carolina
Southern conservatives lining up behind Mitt


By GEOFF EARLE Bureau Chief, NY Post

WASHINGTON — A group of key South Carolina conservatives fell in line behind Mitt Romney yesterday, bolstering the former Massachusetts governor’s chances to win the first primary in Dixie.

Three Republicans considered loyal to Sen. Jim DeMint — a key powerbroker in the state with ties to the Tea Party, but who has remained neutral — came out for Romney yesterday.

In a stunning move, one of them, former state chair Barry Wynn, is a member of Rick Perry’s finance team.

Wynn said he was irked by Perry’s attacks on Romney, which included ripping Mitt as a “vulture capitalist.”

“It’s like fingernails on the chalkboard,” Wynn said.

The move toward Romney — who had a sweeping victory in New Hampshire Tuesday — came as prominent national GOPers came to Romney’s aid to push back at withering attacks by Perry and Newt Gingrich.

Gingrich, who is making what many see as a last stand in the Jan. 21 South Carolina primary, has slammed Romney for “looting” companies while running venture-capital firm Bain Capital.

“What they’re doing to Mitt right now is totally unfair and bad for the Republican Party . . . What the hell are you doing . . . Newt?” asked former Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Fox News.

Arizona Sen. John McCain, who like Giuliani is backing Romney, told Fox that to go after Romney “on really what is the essence of what we Republicans believe in about [the] economy, I think is a serious mistake and frankly I think it’s the last resort of a very desperate campaign.”

But Gingrich got some support from an unlikely quarter: AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka.

“Here are words you won’t hear from me very often: I agree with Newt Gingrich,” wrote Trumka in an e-mail to supporters.

“As Mr. Gingrich recently pointed out, presidential hopeful Mitt Romney ‘looted’ companies, leaving behind ‘broken families and broken neighborhoods.’ That’s not the kind of capitalism that built America,” Trumka said.

A poll released yesterday by Insider Advantage shows Romney with just a 2-point South Carolina lead over Gingrich, 23-21 percent. Rick Santorum follows with 14, and Ron Paul has 13.

Gingrich’s campaign is keeping up its tough talk, while a pro-Gingrich super-PAC lights up the airwaves by spending more than $3 million on ads.

geoff.earle@nypost.com
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/13/12 04:47 PM

Real-life righties
Why conservatives are voting for Romney


John Podhoretz, NY Post

If you follow politics, you’d have spent 2011 certain that conservatives didn’t want Mitt Romney to be the Republican nominee. That’s what the loudly expressed views of self-styled conservative leaders suggested: They made it clear that on a variety of issues, health care primarily and abortion secondarily, Romney’s record as a candidate and governor in Massachusetts was too moderate to be acceptable.

Well, guess what? In the New Hampshire primary, Romney won the support of 42 percent of conservatives, more than doubling the conservative take of his nearest rival, Ron Paul.

A Gallup poll taken last week shows Romney as the candidate most acceptable to conservatives nationwide, with 59 percent saying he’d be an acceptable nominee. (Fifty-one percent say the same of Newt Gingrich, and 46 percent say so about Rick Santorum).

Even in Iowa, 46 percent of the voters who stood up for Romney in the caucuses described themselves as either “very conservative” or “somewhat conservative.”

South Carolina is next up, and a poll by the reliable Democratic firm PPP last week had Romney leading there with 30 percent to Newt Gingrich’s 23 percent — in a state in which 79 percent of Republicans describe themselves as either somewhat conservative or very conservative.

So what gives? Why are conservatives lining up behind a politician of whom Rush Limbaugh has said flatly: “Mitt Romney is not a conservative” — a sentiment echoed by Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor and 2008 Iowa caucuses winner?

The answer lies in a misunderstanding of the “conservative” voter. It’s a mistake to think that voters who describe themselves as “conservative” think about politics and react to politicians the same as people who are professionally or avocationally conservative.

Those of us who are professionally or avocationally conservative get into the weeds when it comes to politicians’ view. So for us, it isn’t enough that Mitt Romney now says he is pro-life; we know that in 1994 he ran for senator in Massachusetts as an unapologetic abortion supporter. He says flatly that he changed his mind, but people for whom the pro-life cause is central find such a record untrustworthy.

But that isn’t true of the conservative voter. That voter listens to Romney, and she hears Romney say he’s pro-life. That’s more than likely enough for her if the issue is important to her.

Because his rivals know that’s usually enough, they find themselves spending time in debates and money on TV trying to convince her that she shouldn’t take Romney at face value. They’re trying to turn her from a rank-and-file conservative into an avocational conservative.

But that’s not her calling. She has other things to do. They want her to dig the way they dig, to view Romney with suspicion rather than implicit acceptance.

But what reason has Romney given her to distrust his sincerity? She’s watched him some over the last year. He seems like a pleasant and well-spoken guy. He’s won two states already. The other Republicans have all kinds of obvious problems and drawbacks. Romney seems to have fewer. Why shouldn’t she back him?

This also helps explain why Romney hasn’t been derailed by his signature legislation, the Massachusetts health-care law requiring that everyone in the state purchase an insurance policy. He says he thinks that it was a good idea for his state but that it wouldn’t be a good idea for the country. He says he’d repeal ObamaCare.

The other candidates and the conservative media are telling her not to trust Romney, that he’s lying, that he won’t do it — or that he’s so compromised by the Massachusetts law that he wouldn’t be able to bring the fight on health care to Obama.

In the end, she has to make the judgment: Do I trust that he means what he says now? He says he’d repeal ObamaCare. She doesn’t like ObamaCare. What more does she have to hear?

That’s the call. And it turns out to be a lower hurdle for Romney to clear than many of us expected.

In the end, professional and avocational conservatives want a candidate who was in the trenches with them, who speaks their language and whose views resonate with theirs down the line. They want purity.

The conservative voter? She doesn’t care all that much about purity. Turns out she wants a winner.

jpodhoretz@gmail.com
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/13/12 11:20 PM

They're following him because he's going to win the nomination. He really should pay Charlie Sheen royalties and use his catchphrase for a bumper sticker slogan: "Winning, DUH!"

But this should be noted, yet ignored completely by the media.

2012 GOP Delegate #

Mittens 10
Paul 8
Santorum 6
Newt 4
Perry 3
Huntsman 1
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/13/12 11:37 PM

The media is totally ignoring Ron Paul. Not that he'll ever be President BUT the guy did come in second. No glory. LOL

Also, I haven't heard the media report how close it is in SC between Romney/Gingrich. There's only a few point difference within MOE in some case yet media's mum. Just a few days ago they kept reporting how Newt get going down in polls.

Anyway, are we finally thru with debates? Or do I need to go out and buy more popcorn? lol

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/12 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
The media is totally ignoring Ron Paul. Not that he'll ever be President BUT the guy did come in second. No glory. LOL

Also, I haven't heard the media report how close it is in SC between Romney/Gingrich. There's only a few point difference within MOE in some case yet media's mum. Just a few days ago they kept reporting how Newt get going down in polls.

Anyway, are we finally thru with debates? Or do I need to go out and buy more popcorn? lol

TIS


I don't know why you state that. I saw Ron interviewed by Megyn Kelly on Fox today. He gets his share of publicity.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/12 12:56 AM

Media disregards that fact that he came in second. Granted, he likely won't be President but Santorum got more notice than he did. To be clear, I am not a Paul supporter. smile



TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/12 01:03 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Media disregards that fact that he came in second. Granted, he likely won't be President but Santorum got more notice than he did. To be clear, I am not a Paul supporter. smile



TIS


I don't see that at all. Santorum received alot of attention prior to the NH primary because of his Iowa showing. Since that primary, he's received no attention more than Paul.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/15/12 02:40 AM

Romney has attracted alot of attention because of his Mormonism. However, Huntsman has not attracted any as far as I can tell for his. Double-standard, or is it because he's never risen above 1% in the polls?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/15/12 05:52 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Romney has attracted alot of attention because of his Mormonism. However, Huntsman has not attracted any as far as I can tell for his. Double-standard, or is it because he's never risen above 1% in the polls?


Well he shot his foot in that primary when he openly said he believed in evolution and global warming.

He might as well ate a baby in front of TV cameras.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/15/12 05:54 AM



What an asshole.

(Damn I'm almost tired of saying that.)
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 01/15/12 01:22 PM

Romney up by 21 points in SC latest poll.
Poll
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/15/12 09:50 PM

What does the peanut gallery think of Mittens' past proposal to tie-in the federal minimum wage to the CPI?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/16/12 03:41 AM

Well, Huntsman is out. It'll have little effect upon the race. But I wonder if Huntsman's funding will go to Romney.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/16/12 03:42 AM

Perry will be next I'll bet.


smile

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/16/12 04:48 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Well, Huntsman is out. It'll have little effect upon the race. But I wonder if Huntsman's funding will go to Romney.


Mormon analytical prejudice?

(J/K. Considering Huntsman's daddy was a big funder, I doubt he'll help Mittens unless Junior gets a plum job.)
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/16/12 04:56 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: olivant
Well, Huntsman is out. It'll have little effect upon the race. But I wonder if Huntsman's funding will go to Romney.


Mormon analytical prejudice?

(J/K. Considering Huntsman's daddy was a big funder, I doubt he'll help Mittens unless Junior gets a plum job.)


He's set to endorse Romney.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/16/12 05:52 AM

"Don't hold NH against me Mitt! Don't send me up to Iceland!"
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/16/12 07:53 AM

It's over, we have officially the best attack ad of '12.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 03:42 AM

The Economist on the debate tonight:

Quote:
"There should be no space between the United States and Israel." Not even a sheet with a hole through it?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 05:52 AM

Debate reax claim that for the inevitable front-runner, Mittens didn't have a good night. The crowd booing the mention that his father was born in Mexico (good thing that fact wasn't publicly mentioned earlier) and Mittens promising to release his tax returns around Tax Day in April.

Why did you say that Mittens? Every time a politician's tax returns have been made an issue, that said issue died a quick and quiet death once the returns are made public. Elected officials know better than to write off your trip to Disney World as a tax deductable. (If they're gonna cheat the IRS, you'll most likely never find out exactly how.)

So if you really do keep them to your chest till then, Newt and Santorum and Paul will slap you silly over it. And once those campaigns end, the Democrats will commence and carry on that meme. Until you do.

Either Mittens is truely stupid, or that damn arrogant. I can't decide.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 02:39 PM


What is he talking about? Turkey doesn't receive anyforeign aid from the US.
He talks about Turkey as if it was a country like Iran or Saudi Arabia. It's more secular than most European countries.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 03:38 PM

Does that moron know Turkey is a member of NATO? Does he even know what NATO is? He speaks volumes about the quality of a Texas A&M education.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
The crowd booing the mention that his father was born in Mexico (good thing that fact wasn't publicly mentioned earlier)

Siokening. When you see ignorance like that on display, how can you defend White Southerners from the inbred redneck stereotype? mad

They just don't get it and never will. ALL white Americans descended from immigrants.

Assholes.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 05:01 PM

Interesting article from CNN regarding audience reaction to debate:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/17/opinion/graham-south-carolina-debate/index.html


TIS

Btw, why do you think Mitt is dodging showing his tax return records? I mean we all know he's mega-rich. confused
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Danito

What is he talking about? Turkey doesn't receive anyforeign aid from the US.
He talks about Turkey as if it was a country like Iran or Saudi Arabia. It's more secular than most European countries.


how is he still running! its official, george w bush is einstein compare to this jackass.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 07:07 PM

Willard just said he paid 15% or less. Great tax code we have.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 08:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Danito

What is he talking about? Turkey doesn't receive anyforeign aid from the US.
He talks about Turkey as if it was a country like Iran or Saudi Arabia. It's more secular than most European countries.


US sells military arms to Turkey. Is Turkey really more secular than most European countries...in what way? From the moderators question, it doesn't sound like it.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 08:56 PM

Original geschrieben von: ht2
Original geschrieben von: Danito

What is he talking about? Turkey doesn't receive anyforeign aid from the US.
He talks about Turkey as if it was a country like Iran or Saudi Arabia. It's more secular than most European countries.


US sells military arms to Turkey. Is Turkey really more secular than most European countries...in what way? From the moderators question, it doesn't sound like it.


1) Selling arms is not foreign aid.
2) Turkey is secular because of a very strict separataion between religion and state. (Laizism has been a fundament of modern Turkey since 1923.) You're not allowed to show religious symbols in schools and other official institutions. The Erdogan government tried to allow women to wear headscarves in universities, which is a pretty normal thing for Muslim women in most European countries. The Supreme Court decided that that law was against the laizist constitution.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 08:57 PM

It's important to understand that Turkey has something of unstable political history over the past several decades resulting in military coups of one dimension or another. Despite the military's subordination to civilian command on paper,it can be far from such inreality.

Turkey is officially and pretty much in practice a secular state. But, given the diverse elements of Islam such as we know to exist in the Islamic world, Turkey's population, politicians, and military have to be careful about what they say and do.

For years now I've characterized Turkey and Egypt as faux democracies because their militaries are always hovering around the edges (witness Egypt). Perry is, plaina nd simple, ignorant when it comes to international affairs. I'm embarrassed by him.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 09:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Danito

1) Selling arms is not foreign aid.
2) Turkey is secular because of a very strict separataion between religion and state. (Laizism has been a fundament of modern Turkey since 1923.) You're not allowed to show religious symbols in schools and other official institutions. The Erdogan government tried to allow women to wear headscarves in universities, which is a pretty normal thing for Muslim women in most European countries. The Supreme Court decided that that law was against the laizist constitution.


Although foreign aid is construed as monetary, selling and sharing military technology can be construed as aid. The Obama admin used this to put pressure on Turkey not too long ago. I guess there are pros and cons to Turkey's secularism and I agree he should not have used the word terrorist.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/17/12 09:39 PM

As result of the 90s military intervention, the civilian government was compelled to agree to certain standards of secularization (no headscarves for one). Secular or not, Turkey's strategic position as a buffer between Europe and part of the middle east could prove vital to the US and NATO's strategies. For that reason alone, Perry should not be characterizing its government.

"Turkey's envoy to the United States expressed disappointment and concern over comments made by Texas governor Rick Perry in Monday's GOP debate in which the candidate described Turkey's moderate Islamic leadership as Islamic terrorists. A Turkish American group also called on the candidate to apologize for his "appalling" and "uneducated" comments, which have been greeted with disbelief, ridicule and anger by Turkey's press corps."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/turkis...-152639505.html

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 12:14 AM

Turkey isn't just a NATO member, it's an original member. Why Perry picked on them as extremists-run and not say Pakistan or Saudia Arabia, both which can't exactly refute that charge.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 12:20 AM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Willard just said he paid 15% or less. Great tax code we have.


Reminds me of what uber-billionaire Warren Buffett said weeks back, that something is wrong when his secretary has to pay a higher federal tax rate % than he does.

Attaboy Newt!

Newt jabs Romney on Taxes

Quote:
The New York Times notes Newt Gingrich "poked fun" at Mitt Romney's acknowledgment that he paid about a 15% tax rate because his income was largely returns on investments.

Gingrich has long proposed a 15% flat tax option for all taxpayers and said, "I assume this afternoon Mitt will endorse my flat tax proposal and have every American pay at the rate he paid.''

He also offered to dub it "the Mitt Romney flat tax.''


Douchebag race master baiter, but I must admit that was funny. (And yes this sentence was intentional.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 04:06 AM

Sen. John McCain's entire 200 page opposition research file on Mitt Romney from the 2008 GOP presidential campaign.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/01/17/mccains_oppo_file_on_romney.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 02:35 PM

Reuters notes that it's not just Mitt Romney's low 15% tax rate that might deter him from releasing his tax returns. (Some speculate his tax % might actually be lower than 15%.)

Quote:
"His vast fortune is invested in dozens of funds linked to Bain Capital LLC, the powerhouse private equity firm he co-founded and led for 15 years. Several Bain funds have offshore connections and take advantage of tax breaks used only by the U.S. financial elite... Bain funds in which Romney is invested are scattered from Delaware to the Cayman Islands and Bermuda, Ireland and Hong Kong, according to a Reuters analysis of securities filings."


Chris Christie is also calling on Mittens to release the damn returns. (Or what, he'll do to him what he promised Iowa?)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 02:38 PM

Did Santorum win Iowa after all?

Quote:
That's what it looks like if numbers from a caucus in the town of Moulton, Appanoose County, are correctly counted when the official certification begins Wednesday night. This not only could rewrite the election history of 2012 to date -- it would invalidate the oft-repeated line that Mitt Romney is the only candidate to win both Iowa and New Hampshire. It would stop the inevitability narrative in its tracks."


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...itt-romney.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 05:58 PM

Romney to bail on further GOP debates?

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/will-frontrunner-romney-keep-debating/317361

I'm thinking of a word starting with "P" that rhymes with Wussy.

Mittens, you're the front-runner. You're going to be the nominee.

Yes you can't seem to do compete well with Newt or Santorum with the Insane Stupid vote, and you don't want to be embarrased again when people boo where your daddy was born. You win by default, backing your way into the nomination. Why stop that now?

If you can't hang with these crazy assholes in debate, what makes you think you can in the fall in debate with a competent adversary?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 06:41 PM

Ronnie,

You're hatred of Mittens is very trasparent. It's not because he's a Republican that you don't like him. It's that he's not Republican enough for you.

Now don't get me wrong. As a lifelong liberal Democrat, I'm ecstatic that you've left the insanity of neo-conservatism behind you. But you still have quite a bit of East Tennessee good old boy in you. If you didn't, you'd realize that Mitt's politics are a lot closer to Obama's than those other assholes. If we have to lose to someone (and I don't think we will), it's better to lose to Mittens than some religious zealot or some kook from the South.

It's very obvious that you have a thing for that tubby white haired fella from Georgia whistle.

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 07:12 PM

I don't know PB, IF Mitt IS considering not debating (and as tired as I am of them), and is the only one to NOT debate, I think he will come across as a chicken-shit. Just like with his taxes. It's not like we don't know he's rich. He might as well do it now rather than later.

smile

TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 07:14 PM

Mitt=Gore=Kerry
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 07:17 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Mitt=Gore=Kerry

Exactly.

But if we lose (and again, I don't think we will), I'd rather have any of those three flip-floppers than a Santorum or a Gingrich.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 07:20 PM

Speaking of election, they are suppose to have a final tally of the NH votes. If you recall, Mitt supposedly won by what, 8 votes? Turns out that Santorum may have won in the end. I'm hearing this afternoon we'll know. I wonder why the Republicans aren't charging voter fraud. lol

It won't change anything BUT it should be official and accurate.


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 07:21 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Ronnie,

It's very obvious that you have a thing for that tubby white haired fella from Georgia whistle.



Hey, he's a good ole Pennsylvania boy!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Ronnie,

You're hatred of Mittens is very trasparent. It's not because he's a Republican that you don't like him. It's that he's not Republican enough for you.

Now don't get me wrong. As a lifelong liberal Democrat, I'm ecstatic that you've left the insanity of neo-conservatism behind you. But you still have quite a bit of East Tennessee good old boy in you. If you didn't, you'd realize that Mitt's politics are a lot closer to Obama's than those other assholes. If we have to lose to someone (and I don't think we will), it's better to lose to Mittens than some religious zealot or some kook from the South.



PB, you're assuming Mittens is Barry 2.0 based on past political history. I mean with that logic, why wasn't Obama as liberal as he was as State Senator and U.S. Senator? For better or worse, Obama sold himself as the liberal alternative to Dubya America.

He got HCR (warts and all) passed, he repealed the idiotic DADT, and came close to making immigration reform with DREAM before it died. (Bill lacked fences apparently.) Not to mention fulfilling plans that Dubya had set in motion, of getting the fuck out of two Middle-Eastern countries that are draining us with little investment in return. Or for that matter, the great (if underreported) bill he signed that gave the FDA real teeth to enforce some health standards. Or for that matter, in foreign policy doing what Dubya tried and failed to do for years: get both Russia and China onboard for Iran sanctions.

Mittens isn't Clinton, who visibly sold himself in '92 as a "New" Democrat, who was pro-choice and pro-HCR and all that, but also was for fiscal responsibility. With swagger, charisma, and the fact his party was tired of losing nationally...he prevailed.

Now imagine if Clinton had that Arkansas record for fiscal moderate conservatism, but on the national stage sold it down the river as being a major mistake of his after the base went insane and said outright this was an unacceptable mistake.

Mittens is now selling himself as a Reagan conservative, totally disowning his one term as a moderate GOP Governor in a very blue as hell state. His most remarkable achievement in that administration, one which in saner times would've been a great national campaign selling point...it's his greatest political achievement as an executive, and he treats it an albatross, or the local leper.

I don't perceive the guy as someone who can mold, shape the party to whatever directions he aspires to. If people think Obama is weak-kneed (which at times, I think they might be accurate), Mittens suffers from the same ailment. Dreaming him as the sane warden of an insane asylum is quite optimistic, to say the least. He'll be as effective as the warden of Arkham Asylum, if he even tries. And I really doubt it.

Quite frankly, what has Mittens offered in current campaign in his America that's uniquely his in proposal? The only one I heard was his idea to tie the Federal wage into the CPI, which is an interesting, compelling idea. (Or has he disowned that too during the primaries and I missed it?) Otherwise he's selling himself as the American CEO who can get jobs back, unemployment down, and kill that evil Obamacare that's a bastard grandchild of his.

But that last line, that's the party speaking. A party that really invests public debate time and money in fighting the great evils of evolution and gay people, the latter trying to get equal civil rights being the greatest threat in America today. A party that doesn't want just war with Iran, they want Iraq 2.0, unilateral invasion and occupation. Because we have another trillion dollars and thousands of good folks left to spare. Remember Mittens mentioning two magic words at a debate: "regime change!"

Once upon a time, Romney championed a rather conservative approach to national HCR, which inspired Obamacare. It's not great, it's got flaws, but it's a start. The first foot in the door, which I hope is further reformed and expanded in the future to make it better. He could've sold himself as an Eisenhower Republican: Big government isn't evil and bad in general or principle, just only the big obtruse, unefficient, money-sucking agents of our government.

No he's a Reagan Republican, selling the 1980s for 2011. He's Reagan without the charm, grace, or inspiration. Or cool compelling new proposals.

(Plus he's an asshole. I don't hate him because he's an asshole, I don't like him because he's an asshole. Clinton was an asshole, but do people immediately think that? Of course not. Big difference.)
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 07:44 PM

One of the things that all of these posts are missing is the acknowledgement that there is a tremendous difference between campaigning for President and being President. Running for President requires appeal to a limited constituency; being President requires appeal to quite an expanded constituency. Romney and all of the Republican candidates are pursuing party delegate votes, something President Obama doesn't have to do.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 07:49 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Romney and all of the Republican candidates are pursuing party delegate votes, something President Obama doesn't have to do.

Exactly. And four years ago, when the shoe was on the other foot, Obama and Hillary nearly tore the party apart. Cooler heads finally prevailed, and now they work together (although I suspect it's an uneasy truce).

I'm not sure if that will be the case with the Republicans this year. I don't think Gingrich would mind splitting the party by going out in a blaze of glory.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 08:19 PM

The cleavages in the Republican Party are wider than those in the Democratic Party. The reaction of the South Carolinian audience in the last debate to some of the candidate's statements is solid evidence of that. As Perry stated, South Carolina is at war with the federal government. However, much of that war is generated by South Carolinian and southern prejudices and a parochial outlook that has festered since the Civil War.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
The cleavages in the Republican Party are wider than those in the Democratic Party. The reaction of the South Carolinian audience in the last debate to some of the candidate's statements is solid evidence of that. As Perry stated, South Carolina is at war with the federal government. However, much of that war is generated by South Carolinian and southern prejudices and a parochial outlook that has festered since the Civil War.

If you vote Democrat, I'm gonna break that window, Sheriff.

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/18/12 09:14 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
The cleavages in the Republican Party are wider than those in the Democratic Party. The reaction of the South Carolinian audience in the last debate to some of the candidate's statements is solid evidence of that. As Perry stated, South Carolina is at war with the federal government. However, much of that war is generated by South Carolinian and southern prejudices and a parochial outlook that has festered since the Civil War.

If you vote Democrat, I'm gonna break that window, Sheriff.



Barney Fife: "You break that window Ernest T. Bass and you'll have to pay for it yourself."

Ernest: "No I won't."

Barney: "Yes you will. If the Republicans win the White House they'll be sure to cut out the $25 million that North Carolina receives annually from the federal government in law enforcement funding."
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 09:52 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Romney and all of the Republican candidates are pursuing party delegate votes, something President Obama doesn't have to do.

Exactly. And four years ago, when the shoe was on the other foot, Obama and Hillary nearly tore the party apart. Cooler heads finally prevailed, and now they work together (although I suspect it's an uneasy truce).


What do you think about this idea, pushed in some circles-mostly Bill Keller's- that Obama should drop Biden as VP and instead put Hillary there.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 04:12 PM

Iowa Governor due to speak shortly saying that, after vote count, Romney did NOT win Iowa, but Rick Santorum did. (Where are the voter fraud people now?) lol

Also, they are reporting that the Governor will endorse Newt.


TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 04:21 PM

Well Rick Perry is now out. There goes a lot of entertainment value.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 04:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Romney and all of the Republican candidates are pursuing party delegate votes, something President Obama doesn't have to do.

Exactly. And four years ago, when the shoe was on the other foot, Obama and Hillary nearly tore the party apart. Cooler heads finally prevailed, and now they work together (although I suspect it's an uneasy truce).


What do you think about this idea, pushed in some circles-mostly Bill Keller's- that Obama should drop Biden as VP and instead put Hillary there.

I don't think that's a good idea at all. As stupid as Biden has been, Hillary could chase away the Independents and Obama Republicans that loathe her so much.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 05:07 PM

He won't do it. If he didn't want her on the ticket in 2008, he certainly doesn't need her now.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 05:27 PM

PB - I apologize for going off on ya like that. I tried to read what I wrote, but came off as too much in the heat of the moment, mindless partisan fury. I'm sure I have a decent argument in there somewhere, just needs some trimming and bacon.

Anyway, what to watch tonight: Debate or Newt's ex-wife exposing him on ABC? Let me get the popcorn.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 05:45 PM

What if the GOP field were superheroes?

http://thedisplacedplainsman.blogspot.com/2011/12/republican-candidates-and-super-heroes.html

This I couldn't resist posting. I can't help myself, this is crack.

Quote:
Mitt Romney is Plastic Man. The name matches the candidate's smile and the power to stretch oneself matches Romney's ability to tie himself into knots as he tries to explain his rapidly evolving political positions.


Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 06:37 PM

As a Democrat, I won't be voting for any Republican candidate. However, I am amused at the criticisms leveled at Romney and, for that matter, at other Republican candidates. For one, I don't care that his IRS tax rate is only 15%. Why would I? I don't care that he has changed his opinion regarding a number of issues. I've changed mine on some of them over the years. Wouldn't one be quite pedantic to do otherwise? Wouldn't one want a President who is responsive to a changing American environment?

Tea Party aligned Congressional members have learned that merely being in office does not achieve one's objectives. The most successful politicians learn that it's all about compromise. I see Romney as a compromiser and Gingrich and Santorum as ideologues and Gingrich having been Speaker of the House should know better.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 07:16 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
PB - I apologize for going off on ya like that. I tried to read what I wrote, but came off as too much in the heat of the moment, mindless partisan fury. I'm sure I have a decent argument in there somewhere, just needs some trimming and bacon.

No biggie, Ronnie. You're still like the hillbilly nephew I never really asked for, but ended up with anway tongue lol.

And politically speaking, at the end of the day, we're on the same team smile.

Originally Posted By: olivant
As a Democrat, I won't be voting for any Republican candidate. However, I am amused at the criticisms leveled at Romney

That's EXACTLY how I feel!!

It's almost like I feel sorry for the guy because of the insanity of the opposition within his own party. Because you know . . . you just know . . . that's the same rhetoric they'll throw at Obama come summer.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 07:29 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
It's almost like I feel sorry for the guy because of the insanity of the opposition within his own party. Because you know . . . you just know . . . that's the same rhetoric they'll throw at Obama come summer.


Okay. Let's remember the criticism that he has received from Republicans for acting as a capitalist. We want to remember those criticisms because, during the election, Republicans will direct the same criticisms at Obama.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
It's almost like I feel sorry for the guy because of the insanity of the opposition within his own party. Because you know . . . you just know . . . that's the same rhetoric they'll throw at Obama come summer.


Okay. Let's remember the criticism that he has received from Republicans for acting as a capitalist. We want to remember those criticisms because, during the election, Republicans will direct the same criticisms at Obama.

Agreed.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/19/12 08:09 PM

Am I the only one who feels bad for Santorum? Twerp mouse as he is, he apparently won Iowa after all and yet with excuses excuses, that state GOP has pretty much thrown that out and offically called it a Draw. (Cynical analysis: sweeping that potential embarrasment to the possible front-runner, and just walk away.)

The height of Ricky's political career, poof! A day late, dollar short.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 01:32 AM

So, if it comes down to Mitt and Newt after Saturday, the campaign is going to get dirtier and dirtier. Mitt will probably win because Newt runs his mouth more than Biden, and has skeletons in his closet on top of that. People don't trust him. But, if Mitt thinks that the two-thirds to three-quarters of Republicans who didn't vote for him so far or don't show for him in the polls, will rally round him in the general election, he should think again. Real hard-core conservatives hate him. I'd bet Bachmann or another will run a third party campaign. If that happens, Obama won't have to leave the White House to be re-elected. He's the most vulnerable incumbent since Carter, but unlike Carter, he has no strong opposition candidate.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 01:41 AM

If it's any indication, Gingrich's explosion tonight at the first question is not something that most people will respond to positively.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 02:47 AM

Personally I liked Paul's* joke about why he won't release his taxes because he's embarrased about his low earnings. Funny.

Unfortunately, the tax thing has become a pointless albatross for Mittens, or more like a target sign, and he's not helping himself method acting like a fish on land with his comebacks to that issue and Bain.

Apparently Newt tonight released his '10 tax returns: $3.1 million, 31.6% tax rate.

Rich, not as rich as Mitt obviously, and I would be an asshole and snyde that most of Newt's money came from Freddie Mac for his work as a history teacher. But that won't be mentioned if that is brought up in the media: Just the tax rate differential.

If I was a Mitt supporter, I would also be worried about what Mittens said about Romneycare tonight that could haunt him later. As someone in the comments on a blog tracking the debate writes:

Quote:
Am I nuts, or did Romney provide a perfect defense of Obamacare? It’s popular in Massachusetts, it hasn’t increased their costs and it’s given more people coverage? And he wants to repeal the same bill that would do that at the national level?


Like Turnbull, I still think Mittens is the nominee. But I won't be shocked at all if Newt wins on saturday. If he does and Mitt wins the nomination regardless, he would be the first GOP national nominee in the modern primary era to fail to win South Carolina.

*=I also liked that he brought up the suicide rate in the military. Among other reasons, I wonder if this is one why he's got the most campaign donors from the Armed Forces?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 03:29 AM

Poor Mitt, this night just can't end soon enough.

PPP: Newt leads in S.C. by 6

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/gingrich-maintains-6-point-lead.html#more
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 03:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
He's the most vulnerable incumbent since Carter,.


not really, more like GW when he ran for re-election the dems and kerry def botched that campaign
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 03:49 AM

After seeing the debate tonight, AND audience reactions, I tend to think too that Newt probably did the best as well. It seems the meaner tone he took, the more he was applauded. confused

Notice one of the questions (on abortion I believe), the mods skipped right over Ron Paul. The audience screamed to mods to ask Paul the same question. Too bad they have to be told, AND Paul is a Doctor, so I would think it'd be totally appropriate.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 04:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
[quote=Turnbull]
not really, more like GW when he ran for re-election the dems and kerry def botched that campaign


Kerry did drop the ball.

But imagine, what if he had won?

If he had, and say he won two terms, '12 would be about his VP versus the GOP candidate.

So yeah, we coulda been contemplating voting for Vice-President John Edwards. How swell.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 04:52 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
If it's any indication, Gingrich's explosion tonight at the first question is not something that most people will respond to positively.


I gagged myself, but that crowd sure ate it up like ice cream.

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 05:37 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: olivant
If it's any indication, Gingrich's explosion tonight at the first question is not something that most people will respond to positively.


I gagged myself, but that crowd sure ate it up like ice cream.



SC's delegates to the Constitutional Convention were the most vociferous in their defense of slavery. SC led the way during the Nullification Crisis in the 1830s. SC was the 1st state to secede from the Union. It was the 1st state to engage in hostilities that launched the Civil War. I don't expect much out of that state's citizens.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 06:28 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
[quote=Turnbull]
not really, more like GW when he ran for re-election the dems and kerry def botched that campaign


Kerry did drop the ball.

But imagine, what if he had won?

If he had, and say he won two terms, '12 would be about his VP versus the GOP candidate.

So yeah, we coulda been contemplating voting for Vice-President John Edwards. How swell.


prob not his affairs might have come to light by that time and he would be swept up in the drama with his mistress to run for Prez, maybe Hillary or Barack would have ran then...
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 06:29 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: olivant
If it's any indication, Gingrich's explosion tonight at the first question is not something that most people will respond to positively.


I gagged myself, but that crowd sure ate it up like ice cream.



SC's delegates to the Constitutional Convention were the most vociferous in their defense of slavery. SC led the way during the Nullification Crisis in the 1830s. SC was the 1st state to secede from the Union. It was the 1st state to engage in hostilities that launched the Civil War. I don't expect much out of that state's citizens.


no offense to anybody from SC on the boards, but from what ive seen in the crwd reactions during the debate, stump speeches on tv with citizens I COMPLETELY agree with you those conservatives down there are definitely wackos thats for sure.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 04:33 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
SC's delegates to the Constitutional Convention were the most vociferous in their defense of slavery. SC led the way during the Nullification Crisis in the 1830s. SC was the 1st state to secede from the Union. It was the 1st state to engage in hostilities that launched the Civil War. I don't expect much out of that state's citizens.

Dinnertime at the Republican National Convention:

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 09:08 PM

Wow! I just heard Neil Cavuto on his show excortiating Gingrich for jumping on John King for asking about his marriages and defending John King and the media for asking tough questions. How the worms turn.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 10:58 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Wow! I just heard Neil Cavuto on his show excortiating Gingrich for jumping on John King for asking about his marriages and defending John King and the media for asking tough questions. How the worms turn.


And he's right.

Anyway, Sen. Scott Brown (R) from Massachusetts is now calling on Mittens to release his political albatross: his tax returns. So of course instead he responded by demanding Newt release his 1990s Ethics report. How has this nonsense become Mittens' Jeremiah Wright mess?

Also, Chuck Norris endorsed Newt.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 11:01 PM

If Newt loses the race, will he return to his old job as the Pillsbury Dough Boy?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/20/12 11:03 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
If Newt loses the race, will he return to his old job as the Pillsbury Dough Boy?


Looking at him last night, Road Block would be another post-political career suggestion.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/21/12 05:25 PM

Quote:
Although Mitt Romney's campaign is buzzing about new momentum in South Carolina, BuzzFeed finds that many of the students cheering on the candidate at a recent University of South Carolina rally were actually Brigham Young University students and young Mormons from Wasnhington, D.C. and Virginia "who traveled to the Palmetto State to give their coreligionist's presidential effort a much-needed jolt of energy."


http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/byu-students-bus-in-to-south-carolina-to-rally-for
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/21/12 11:52 PM

RR, I heard the same thing this morning. I heard too, they were bused in specifically for the event. Don't know how accurate it is, but MSNBC also reported that these people were asked if they'd leave right away after Mitt's appearance because Newt was due at the same place shortly after and they didn't want Newt's appearance to look real crowded. All's fair in politics & war. rolleyes


TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 12:07 AM

MSNBC is already calling the winner in S.C. Gingrich. It must be a large margin for them to call it this soon no? confused I thought it'd be really close



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 12:29 AM

I know Olivant wants to dismiss the S.C. voting bloc (I can totally relate to that sentiment), but here's the facts: A week ago, Romney wasn't just leading to win in S.C., he was up by double digits. An easy lay-up.

But somehow while dribbling to the rim, he tripped and Newt kicked him in the balls, took the ball and slam dunked it.

There's no other words but...I'm amazed.

(Exit polls also claim that Newt won the "electability" issue, and won among...married women. Wow.)

FUN FACT: This is the first time in GOP modern primary history that three different candidates have won Iowa, NH, and S.C.

If Mittens still ends up the nominee, he'll be the first GOP nominee to have failed to win S.C. Way to go Mittens!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 01:08 AM

Romney-Supporting SC Tea Party Leader: Release The Tax Returns

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4437
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 01:39 AM

I made a mistake: Reagan did beat Ford in S.C. in '76. So I was wrong about that statistic.

~So Mittens is Gerald Ford?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 02:45 AM

Newt's started his mudslinging down in Florida. The Georgian Bacon is on fire.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpoli...l#storylink=cpy
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 02:58 AM

I forgot, which local was it that predicted a '12 open GOP convention? Points!

Former GOP Chairman: Open '12 Convention "50-50"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/21..._n_1221350.html

EDIT - Huckabee: Romney Needs To Address His Mormon Faith

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/21...ref=mostpopular


Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 03:16 AM

I just got home a short time ago and am waiting to see the final tally. From what I understand Newt won by a way bigger margin that I would have guessed. uhwhat Just last week it was all Mitt.


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 04:58 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I just got home a short time ago and am waiting to see the final tally. From what I understand Newt won by a way bigger margin that I would have guessed. uhwhat Just last week it was all Mitt.


TIS


He did TIS. But don't forget that it's all about delegates and there are still 47 primaries and caucuses and Gingrich in not on the ballot in a couple of them.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 05:28 PM

After getting humiliated last night, Mittens has announced he'll release at least his '10 tax returns. Sometime this week.

Why do I have the sinking feeling that "issue" isn't dead yet?

~Why? See CNN debate quesiton on George Romney. I could totally see Newt and later the Democrats (Newt especially) use Romney Sr.'s comments about releasing just one year's tax returns* as proving nothing because it could be "just a fluke" and using that as smear against Jr.

*=Lost in the headlines, he's also promising to release his '11 tax estimates. Not the same, but just being fair here.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 05:31 PM

Ok, why is he just releasing last year's and projection for this year? Give HIM the Obama treatment. Hound him to death for the long form (past 6 years or whatever they normally release). mad What's good for the goose is good for the gander.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 06:03 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Ok, why is he just releasing last year's and projection for this year? Give HIM the Obama treatment. Hound him to death for the long form (past 6 years or whatever they normally release). mad What's good for the goose is good for the gander.


TIS


To be fair, didn't Hillary hound Obama on his taxes too at one point? Apparently the future President did eventually release his tax returns...10 years backworth in spring 2008, March I believe.

I know some of Mittens' people panicking I'm sure after last night, but piecemealing such an issue after papercut after papercut by himself, I just don't know if this will kill the issue for now or not.

Here's my idea: What if he released say at least 5 years worth? He could then dick Newt for not releasing his Bernie Mac papers and older tax returns. It would totally work and totally change the story because you know Newt doesn't want his Bernie Mac shit released. Oh no. The heat would turn back on the Georgian Bacon.

Because politicians aren't the rest of us. They tend to easily be identified for fraud if they deduct trivial shit. Remember when the Clintons took a tax deductable in donating used socks/underwear to Goodwill? They got heat for a brief time over that petty cheat. That's a problem with being a politician: everything about you is under a microscrope. Or more accurately these days, a flip camera phone.

In short, I think if Mittens did release his returns, we'll find assumingly absolutely surely nothing new. Or not the dirt that he's indirectly promised us with his recent dodging and kabuki dancing. Right?

I did read someone's conspiracy theory, with no evidence whatsoever to back it up, that Mittens is doing his best to hide the supposed millions he's donated to the Church of LDS over the years. *shrugs*
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/22/12 07:46 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Ok, why is he just releasing last year's and projection for this year? Give HIM the Obama treatment. Hound him to death for the long form (past 6 years or whatever they normally release). mad What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Not when the goose is black and the gander is white, Tis wink.

Bottom line on the GOP: Mitt will never win over the conservatives. Newt will never win over the Independents. That's why they can't win.

And it won't surprise me in the least if the loser runs as a third party candidate.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/12 03:05 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy


And it won't surprise me in the least if the loser runs as a third party candidate.


It won't happen, but I would love a 3rd party Paul run. Force those fundamental philosophical disagreements that some right-wingers are having right now regarding topics like the Patriot Act, unilateral serial warfare, and the War on Drugs. He would also cost Obama votes because alot of those Paul supporters are disgruntled liberals and independents. But mostly Mittens/Newt would be hurt more I suppose.

Anyway, TPM is reporting that Mittens is gonna get real nasty, real quick on Newt, ready to play Newt better than Newt. I guess Newt pissed in his Cheerios one too many times. Also he's playing a new speech line that Obama never had a job before going into the White House.


What?

You're sure Mitt? Wikipedia claims the following:

Quote:
He then served as a professor at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years—as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004—teaching constitutional law.

From April to October 1992, Obama directed Illinois's Project Vote, a voter registration drive with ten staffers and seven hundred volunteer registrars; it achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, and led to Crain's Chicago Business naming Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be. In 1993 he joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 13-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002.

From 1994 to 2002, Obama served on the boards of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund the Developing Communities Project; and of the Joyce Foundation. He served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995 to 2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995 to 1999.


I know Mittens is trying to refine his message after the saturday night massacre, but it needs more work. Anyway, tomorrow night should be a total hoot. I'm getting the popcorn.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/12 04:23 AM

Opps.

Gingrich Used Payroll Tax Ploy Often Attacked By IRS

http://www.forbes.com/sites/janetnovack/...ttacked-by-irs/
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/12 05:06 PM

NEWT SURGING.... LEADS ROMNEY BY 8 POINTS IN FLA
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/12 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
NEWT SURGING.... LEADS ROMNEY BY 8 POINTS IN FLA

Flori-Duh rolleyes.

That speaks volumes about the people living in the central part of the state. A few years ago, I had to gas up on Alligator Alley just about halfway between Broward and Polk Counties. And I swear to God, Goober Pyle really was the gas station attendant whistle.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/12 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
NEWT SURGING.... LEADS ROMNEY BY 8 POINTS IN FLA

Flori-Duh rolleyes.

That speaks volumes about the people living in the central part of the state. A few years ago, I had to gas up on Alligator Alley just about halfway between Broward and Polk Counties. And I swear to God, Goober Pyle really was the gast station attendant whistle.


what else do you think jeb would be doing?
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/12 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
NEWT SURGING.... LEADS ROMNEY BY 8 POINTS IN FLA

Flori-Duh rolleyes.

That speaks volumes about the people living in the central part of the state. A few years ago, I had to gas up on Alligator Alley just about halfway between Broward and Polk Counties. And I swear to God, Goober Pyle really was the gas station attendant whistle.



This is a closed primary, so it is GOP only. It is not the middl of the state as the Panhandle. Obama, Kerry and Gore both carried the I-4 corridor. The remaining GOP people in Palm Beach and Naples are for Romney, but they are the 1% !!!!!!!!!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/12 07:11 PM

You're right, DT. The people in the Panhandle make the folks in Lakeland look like Mensa members whistle.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/23/12 11:50 PM

Well if Mittens was planning on using Freddie Mac against Newt, Newt just short circuited it. He's releasing the papers tonight during the debates.

and from Gallup:

Quote:
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney continues to lose support nationally, according to the new Gallup tracking poll of the Republican race out Monday. Romney clings to just a one point lead on former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, 29 – 28.

To put it in perspective, Romney was up on Gingrich by ten on Friday. Less than a week before that, he was up 23 points after he had won the Iowa caucuses (which was later confirmed to be won by former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum) and the New Hampshire primary, which Romney dominated. But his loss in the South Carolina primary has clearly caused many Republicans nationally to reconsider Gingrich.


EDIT - also Mittens has hired Bachmann's debate coach. whistle
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 02:52 AM

President Newt would invade and overthrow Castro.

Now that's good pandering.

EDIT - Fred Thompson just endorsed Newt.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 03:24 AM

Gaffe?

Quote:
"If people don't have a card and through a system determine they are here illegally they will find they can't get work here. If they can't get work they will self-deport to where they can get work."


Mittens' greatest achivement? A new word: "Self-deport."

Vote Mittens, and he'll let the illegal immigrants self-deport themselves.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 03:33 AM

Very low key debate tonight. No cut throat tactics, and THIS audience isn't applauding at all, so it's kind of hard to tell where it's going. No major gaffes tho no? confused

But, IF Fred Thompson is endorsing Newt, well then that's good enough for me. lol



TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 03:44 AM


Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 03:46 AM

lol
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 03:56 AM

Romney threw tons of shot (Fredi Mac, etc) at Newts direction but Gingrinch wasnt biting
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 04:02 AM

The truth shall set you free!

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Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 04:03 AM

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 04:16 AM

DD - good ones! Now Newter mailed this:

Newt Camp Sends Blank E-Mail: 'Mitt Romney's Top Conservative Achievements'

Quote:
This was in response to a question that Romney was asked, in which he listed his top conservative accomplishments as raising a family and running his business in the private sector, along with his achievements as Governor of the very Democratic state of Massachusetts. (source TPM)
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 04:29 AM

Love the cartoon ads DD and the newspaper headline is great. smile
A blank e-mail sounds exactly like something Newt would do.

I am just surprised cause Newt seemed so low key tonight (compared to SC). One exchange with Romney started to get a little testy and it seemed like Mitt was prepared to fight back but Newt seemed to discipline himself to be calm. Go figure. confused

Analysis by pundits seem to think this debate didn't really change anything. I tend to agree but there is still a ways to go.

Btw, did anyone else laugh at Mitt's "self-deportation" comment. lol


TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 04:35 AM

^^^yea i thought wtf at Mitt's self deportation comment

I felt Mitt looked a little desperate in this debate, he came out swinging right from the beginning attacking Newt and trying to bait him to get angry and for the most part Newt played the "im the front runner-let me be high and mighty" role quite well i thought, then Romney starts saying stupid stuff about self deportation and his stupid comment on Afghanistan

"How do you win? Well, by beating your opponent, of course. And how do you beat your opponent? By winning. "

LMAO
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 04:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don


"How do you win? Well, by beating your opponent, of course. And how do you beat your opponent? By winning. "

LMAO


Just as goofy as this he said sometime back:

"I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love."

(Did Palin write that for him?)

EDIT - Was I the only one who thought how odd when Mittens claimed he would pay no taxes under Newt's tax plan? I get the idea, but something about that...I don't know.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 05:00 AM

^^^LMAO poor Mitt lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 06:13 AM

The Mittens '10 Tax Returns have been released. The summary:

Quote:
—Mitt Romney paid a 13.9% tax rate on $21.6 million in income last year.

—Most of the income came from dividends and interest on investments, which are taxed at a much lower rate.

—Romney raked in America’s median adjusted gross income of $33,048 in “less than a day,” Bloomberg notes. His income over a one-week span puts him in the top 1 percent of annual earners.

—Romney, who files jointly with his wife Ann, expects to pay a 15.4 percent rate on $20.9 million in income this year.

—His campaign said he had $7.4 million in carried interest last year; this year the figure is $5.5 million.

—Romney contributed $7 million in charitable donations in the last two years, at least $4.1 million of which was to the Mormon Church.

source: TPM


EDIT - I smell a good smear.

Will Romney's 2010 Tax Return Reveal Voter Fraud?

Quote:
Voter registration fraud in MA is punishable by a $10,000 fine and up to five years in jail. Residency requirements in MA are defined as "where a person dwells and which is the center of his domestic, social, and civil life." Yet, when Karger filed his complaint last Summer he noted that local residents in Belmont had told him at the time that the Romney's had "moved to California".

"I haven’t seen Mrs. Romney in over two years, and she used to come in here all the time," Karger says a local merchant told him. A member of the nearby Mormon Temple and Meetinghouse in Belmont, where Mitt and his wife Ann had attended weekly church services when they lived there, said she "hadn’t seen the Romneys since 2008."


http://bradblog.com/?p=9083
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 06:16 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Very low key debate tonight. No cut throat tactics, and THIS audience isn't applauding at all, so it's kind of hard to tell where it's going. No major gaffes tho no? confused

But, IF Fred Thompson is endorsing Newt, well then that's good enough for me. lol

TIS


the audience was told beforehand not to applause

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/24..._n_1225953.html
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 06:11 PM

Thanks DD

I heard later that the audience was told not to applaud. I wonder if it is because of their behavior at the other debates or if each state has different guidelines.

Btw, did you see the clip of Santorum campaign stop in which a lady asked him why, since President Obama is NOT an American citizen, hasn't anything been done to get him out of office?
Sanatorum's reply was only, (loosely)"I'm doing what I can to get him out of office. NO mention that this woman is totally off base. Does anything go in these campaign stops? confused

TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 06:58 PM

Just heard on MSNBC that Newt Gingrich is "threatening" to pull out of other debates IF the audience can't participate. lol Poor Newt, didn't feel the love last night? (or is it hate?).



TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 09:50 PM

When I was growing up, my priest told me if I self-deported myself I'd go blind.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/24/12 10:23 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
When I was growing up, my priest told me if I self-deported myself I'd go blind.


Me too. Call it a miracle, but eventually my sight was restored.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 01:02 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Just heard on MSNBC that Newt Gingrich is "threatening" to pull out of other debates IF the audience can't participate. lol Poor Newt, didn't feel the love last night? (or is it hate?).



TIS


Because in uncontrollable situations, like an audience-fueled debate, Mittens doesn't do as well compared to Newt. I wonder who breaks on that issue?

Anyway, if Mittens hoped the Tax issue died with his '10 returns released...I don't know. From Reuters:

Quote:
Romney advisers stressed that the holdings in the Caymans -- along with those in a Swiss bank account that was closed in 2010 after an investment adviser decided it could be politically embarrassing to Romney -- were reported on tax returns and were not vehicles to avoid taxes.


Mysterious Swiss Bank? Closed to avoid "embarrasment"? Oh man this story just got better.

But regardless, the tax issue has already done% it's damage to Mittens. Month ago, he was the only GOP candidate with positive favorables. Not anymore. ABC/Washington Post poll:

Quote:
In the ABC/WaPo numbers, Mitt has experienced a shift deterioration among independent. Among Republicans and Democrats his numbers have staid pretty stable. Between January 8th to the 22nd, unfavorable opinions of Mitt went up 17 points. Favorable opinions dropped 18 points. That brought him all the way down to 23% favorability, just 2 points ahead of what Dems think of Mitt. His favorables/unfavorables are now 31/49.


http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1127a14FavorabilityNo14.pdf
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 01:27 AM

It is ironic. Gingrich is a better channel of the white hot hatred that the Republican base has for the President. No doubt.

But Gingrich is not on the ballot on all 50 states and if by some miracle he did get the nomination I think he would turn off independents more than Romney.

It's a pickle; I am enjoying watching it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 01:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
It is ironic. Gingrich is a better channel of the white hot hatred that the Republican base has for the President. No doubt.

But Gingrich is not on the ballot on all 50 states and if by some miracle he did get the nomination I think he would turn off independents more than Romney.

It's a pickle; I am enjoying watching it.


I know several liberals who think Newt obviously is the more favorable opponent, but they're worried about what if he somehow wins?

In gambling, you always accept risks. Sometimes a prize is so big, you're willing to accept a certain amount of real danger because the payoff is worth the chance.

If there was a choice, the White House would without hesitation roll the dice and go with the self-proclaimed champion of Family Values, where he uses his daughters from his first marriage to attack his second wife, whom he was cheating on with his third wife.

Personally, a Newt nomination (and theoretically fall crash & burn) is what the party needs more than a Mittens nomination. If Mittens loses in November, the right-wing culture/media will argue once again like they did 4 years ago w/ McCain that they lost because their candidate wasn't conservative enough.

If Newt, truely an unashamed, unpolished symbol of the party base at heart, goes down...then the party would be forced to reassess itself for the future.

Do we keep ignoring the demographic trends and start seriously going after the Hispanic vote with measures in modest degrees favorable to them? The country is turning pro-gay rights, how can we avoid getting crushed by that growing momentum of a public concensus wave? If Obamacare or HCR of whatever kind becomes permanent and no longer at stake at the ballot, do we move from hating this socialism and turn to being constructively critical?

Anyway, SOTUS tonight. I predict with zero doubt that Obama will point out Warren Buffett's secretary at the balcony, and ask why she pays less federal tax rate % than her boss (or Mitt romney.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 03:22 AM

Better panderer: Mittens or Obama tonight?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 04:45 AM

Found at a message board. Where are Mythbusters when you need them?

Quote:
Did you know that at one time George Romney capped his own CEO pay at American Motors? That is completely the opposite mentality compared to a money grubbing private equity financial engineer.

"Suddenly pertinent fact: When George Romney, Mitt’s father, was chairman and CEO of American Motors, he voluntarily turned down $268,000 in pay over five years, which represented about 20 percent of his earnings over that period. “In 1960, for example,” David Leonhardt reported in a 2007 New York Times article, “he refused a $100,000 bonus. Mr. Romney had previously told the company’s board that no executive needed to make more than $225,000 (about $1.4 million in today’s dollars), a spokesman for American Motors explained at the time, and the bonus would have put him above that threshold.” "
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Better panderer: Mittens or Obama tonight?

Yeah, I got that feeling too, Ronnie. I was hoping that President Obama wouldn't turn the State of the Union Address into a campaign speech, but I guess that was naive of me. I mean, show me a President in his fourth year who hasn't done the exact same thing.

The righty bloggers are already starting with their class warfare bullshit. No one is begrudging anyone their money, but everyone should pay at least the same percentage in taxes. What's right is right. I don't want to sound like a dick, but my wife and I have been pretty fortunate. Although we're not "one percenters," we do enjoy some disposable income. And I think it's only fair that we pay the same tax rate as people who are making less money.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 04:16 PM

I listened to Ann Coulter yesaterday on Michael Medved's show. She stated that this presidential election is the most critical one in our lifetimes. How many times have I heard that? What presidential election during our lifetimes has not been the most critical? By the way, I wonder when she's going to have that adam's apple reduction surgery.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 04:33 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I listened to Ann Coulter yesaterday on Michael Medved's show. She stated that this presidential election is the most critical one in our lifetimes. How many times have I heard that? What presidential election during our lifetimes has not been the most critical? By the way, I wonder when she's going to have that adam's apple reduction surgery.


I thought the 2004 election was the most critical since we couldn't change leadership while fighting a war. That was after the most critical 2000 election where it was important to have a changing of the guard from the morally lacking Clinton years. What about 2008, when it was the most critical one due to the financial meltdown that was taking place.

The only reason this one is the most critical election to her is to pave the way for her newest book and her radio show.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 04:38 PM

Yea, I remember the "You can't change Presidents during a war." That worked out well didn't it? rolleyes

Back to the election, I hear rumblings on news shows that the Republicans could STILL (after Fla) have someone new enter the race. I thought there were deadlines to do so AND wouldn't this person who entered late be at a disadvantage? confused BTW, can you believe a name I keep hearing is Jeb Bush? Although, I get a sense that Jeb is the smarter one, can you imagine a third Bush? panic

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 05:14 PM

TIS, late entrants are possible. However, each state has a procedure with dealines to have one's name placed on a primary ballot. So, for all practical purposes those deadlines have passed or will pass shortly. Still, there are many unpledged delegates who could rally around a candidate during the convention.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
TIS, late entrants are possible. However, each state has a procedure with dealines to have one's name placed on a primary ballot. So, for all practical purposes those deadlines have passed or will pass shortly. Still, there are many unpledged delegates who could rally around a candidate during the convention.


Rally around a totally NEW candidate? confused


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 05:28 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: olivant
TIS, late entrants are possible. However, each state has a procedure with dealines to have one's name placed on a primary ballot. So, for all practical purposes those deadlines have passed or will pass shortly. Still, there are many unpledged delegates who could rally around a candidate during the convention.


Rally around a totally NEW candidate? confused

TIS


A late entrant.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Yea, I remember the "You can't change Presidents during a war." That worked out well didn't it? rolleyes

Back to the election, I hear rumblings on news shows that the Republicans could STILL (after Fla) have someone new enter the race. I thought there were deadlines to do so AND wouldn't this person who entered late be at a disadvantage? confused BTW, can you believe a name I keep hearing is Jeb Bush? Although, I get a sense that Jeb is the smarter one, can you imagine a third Bush? panic

TIS



I probably shouldn't admit this, but when you say Jeb is the smart one the vision I keep seeing is from the Newhart Show, with Larry (the smart one) introducing himself and his brothers. "Hi, I'm Larry. This is my brother Darryl and my other brother, Darryl."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 07:09 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant


A late entrant.


olivant is right about the filing deadlines. It does make sense for someone to pop up now, if only work in forcing a brokered convention. But who man, imagine if that did come true and you have Mittens/Newt/Mystery Candidate duking out for that tab, while Ron Paul could turn heel and burn his party for an independent bid, or try to influence the convention outcome.

But I'll say this right now: Jeb Bush aint that white knight. His name alone is toxic. Notice how his brother's name doesn't seem to pop up all that much at the debates, nobody really trying to tie themselves to that brand-name. (Exception was Newt defending his Tax Cuts, but that's it recently I'm aware of to my knowledge.)

I might suggest Mitch Daniels, but he's waiting for '16. Christie has burned the national GOP bridge (for now) for nominating a gay black judge to the NJ Supreme Court, Rubio don't want to piss away his #1 contender status as the running mate pick. Jindal? Maybe.

I know! Donald Trump.

Originally Posted By: olivant
I listened to Ann Coulter yesterday on Michael Medved's show. She stated that this presidential election is the most critical one in our lifetimes. How many times have I heard that? What presidential election during our lifetimes has not been the most critical? By the way, I wonder when she's going to have that adam's apple reduction surgery.


She's right actually. '12 is the most critical election of our lifetime. Until the next one four years later.

Poor Anne. Someday somebody will raise the necessary money to give her that surgery she desperately needs.

~Who knew permanent wired jaws are so pricey?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 07:19 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

Yeah, I got that feeling too, Ronnie. I was hoping that President Obama wouldn't turn the State of the Union Address into a campaign speech, but I guess that was naive of me. I mean, show me a President in his fourth year who hasn't done the exact same thing.


I understood the point, a Clintonian strategic speech in pandering to the middle class in perks and values. Also gave specific proposals for down the ticket local/state Democrats to run on and bludgeon the GOP Congress.

If anything, the speech came off as a moderate Republican address. You know if anybody in the GOP was sane. I did think however the high school segment was just retarded in general, but others have pointed out why that's stupid already, so let's move on from that handjob.

But all that said, if this was a shameless handjob, it worked apparently rather well.

Quote:
91 percent of those who watched the speech approved of the proposals Mr. Obama put forth during his remarks. Only nine percent disapproved. Last year, 83 percent of viewers approved of Mr. Obama's State of the Union remarks.This year, 82 percent of those who watched the speech said they approve of the president's plans for the economy, up from 53 percent who approved before the speech. Eighty percent said they approved of Mr. Obama's plans for the deficit -- in contrast to 45 percent before the speech. Eighty-three percent approved of Mr. Obama's proposals regarding Afghanistan, which received only a 57 percent approval rating beforehand.


From a 50 person focus group of self-described "swing voters":

Quote:
The dials spiked when the President made his strong populist pitch for the “Buffet Rule,” with Democrats exceeding 80 on our 0-to-100 scale and both independents and Republicans moving above 70. There was no polarization here, as voters across the political spectrum gave Obama high marks. And Obama’s framing of the economic challenges facing the country through the lens of post-World War II America was particularly effective. He also received high marks for his proposal to change the tax code to encourage “insourcing” instead of “outsourcing,” his call to change our “unemployment system” to a “re-employment system” and his appeal to make it easier for entrepreneurs and small business to grow and create jobs.


http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2...s-message/#ftn1
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 08:19 PM

I thought this was funny lol





TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 09:43 PM

Mitt Romney:

Quote:


"Well, the banks aren't bad people. They're just overwhelmed right now."


If that new gaffe wasn't bad enough, then The Boss talks...

Rupert Murdoch: 'Romney's Tax Returns Might Kill His Chances'

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4709
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 09:47 PM

Ha ha ha ha! Mitt actually said that? lol lol





TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 10:54 PM

I hope Pelosi wasn't just mouthing off. Her remarks reminded me that Gloria Allred claimed to have witnesses to Herman Cain's sexual harrassment, but they were never revealed.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 01/25/12 10:57 PM

A woman attending a Santorum event in Florida wanted to know why President Obama was still allowed to remain in office since he wasn't "legally" the President, ignores the Constitution and is an "avowed Muslim". Santorum, good Christian that he is, simply said that he was doing the best he could to get President Obama out of office, ignoring the mud she was slinging.

When asked why he didn't correct the woman, Santorum told reporters it wasn't his responsibility to correct every statement he disagreed with. Of course it's not. That might take balls.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...bamas-religion/
Posted By: Patrick

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 01:32 AM

Awesome speech last night by Obama. Hard to disagree with most of what he said unless you have a personal grudge against the man, but unfortunately the majority who control the House do have that grudge. :-/

Obama 2012
Posted By: Patrick

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 01:33 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I thought this was funny lol





TIS


That is funny. I talked to my mom 2nite (who doesn't follow politics at all or even vote) and I just said I hope Obama gets re-elected. She told me not worry because no one likes Mitt or Newt. lol
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 08:15 AM


Bush gave more food stamps out.
( This is a stat, not a joke.)

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
A woman attending a Santorum event in Florida wanted to know why President Obama was still allowed to remain in office since he wasn't "legally" the President, ignores the Constitution and is an "avowed Muslim". Santorum,
Obama gave less food stamps then bush


good Christian that he is, simply said that he was doing the best he could to get President Obama out of office, ignoring the mud she was slinging.

When asked why he didn't correct the woman, Santorum told reporters it wasn't his responsibility to correct every statement he disagreed with. Of course it's not. That might take balls.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...bamas-religion/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 03:39 PM

Anyone think Newt will bring this gaffe up tonight at the debate?

Quote:
INGRAHAM: You’ve also noted that there are signs of improvement on the horizon in the economy. How do you answer the president’s argument that the economy is getting better in a general election campaign if you yourself are saying it’s getting better?

ROMNEY: Well, of course it’s getting better. The economy always gets better after a recession, there is always a recovery. […]

INGRAHAM: Isn’t it a hard argument to make if you’re saying, like, OK, he inherited this recession, he took a bunch of steps to try to turn the economy around, and now, we’re seeing more jobs, but vote against him anyway? Isn’t that a hard argument to make? Is that a stark enough contrast?

ROMNEY: Have you got a better one, Laura? It just happens to be the truth.


http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/46078839#null
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 04:18 PM


By JIM VANDEHEI and MIKE ALLEN | 1/26/12 8:00 AM EST Updated: 1/26/12 8:45 AM EST

Newt Gingrich better hope voters who lapped up his delicious hits on the “elite media” and liberals don’t read the Drudge Report this morning. Or the National Review. Or the American Spectator. Or Ann Coulter.

If they do, Gingrich comes off looking like a dangerous, anti-Reagan, Clintonian fraud

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72000.html#ixzz1ka7vk0o4
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 06:35 PM

I like newt, Romney is too phony, he needs to go get a shinebox and shine some shoes in front of people
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Patrick
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I thought this was funny lol
OMG ..Where did you find a picture of Santorum with a suit on, he usually wheres a sweater vest, like everyday is sunday! this photo might be prettu rare




TIS


That is funny. I talked to my mom 2nite (who doesn't follow politics at all or even vote) and I just said I hope Obama gets re-elected. She told me not worry because no one likes Mitt or Newt. lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 07:56 PM

Now Mittens says his tax rate is actually "closer" to 45-50%.* Willard, buddy, I think you....being yourself has already cemented your original 15% claim to the public.

In other news, he's outspending Newt 3 to 1 in Florida.

*=Well 15% is closer to 45% than 13.9%, so maybe he was telling the truth, or a variation of it, in the first place.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 08:13 PM

In addition, several high profile Republicans are attacking Gingrich including Bob Dole.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
In addition, several high profile Republicans are attacking Gingrich including Bob Dole.


Honestly, just me personally, if I was Mittens I wouldn't want Bob Dole of all people to pimp my supposed electability. It's like if Obama dug out Dukakis from his living grave and got his endorsement. You don't want that image.

Still, Dole's story about Newt and the empty bucket visiting Dole's HQ back in '96 was awesome.

Fun Fact: Dole is the only person in American history to lose elections as both running mate and presidential nominees.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 09:58 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: olivant
In addition, several high profile Republicans are attacking Gingrich including Bob Dole.


Honestly, just me personally, if I was Mittens I wouldn't want Bob Dole of all people to pimp my supposed electability. It's like if Obama dug out Dukakis from his living grave and got his endorsement. You don't want that image.

Still, Dole's story about Newt and the empty bucket visiting Dole's HQ back in '96 was awesome.

Fun Fact: Dole is the only person in American history to lose elections as both running mate and presidential nominees.


Didn't Mondale lose as VP under Carter in 1980 and then was just edged out (525 - 13)in 1984 as the Presidential candidate?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 10:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco


Didn't Mondale lose as VP under Carter in 1980 and then was just edged out (525 - 13)in 1984 as the Presidential candidate?


But he was elected Vice-President in '76, and lost re-election as VP.

But yeah by my wording, you are correct. I probably should've written instead that Dole is the only figure in American history to be nominated for both positions yet never elected to either office.

(We could debate sometime that argument out there that Dole's VP placement, done to please the Reagan conservative faction of the GOP, help cost Ford the '76 election.)
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/26/12 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
(We could debate sometime that argument out there that Dole's VP placement, done to please the Reagan conservative faction of the GOP, help cost Ford the '76 election.)

You could debate it, but it wouldn't have mattered.

There was absolutely no way a Republican was winning in '76 after Watergate. We would have elected a peanut farmer before we did that.

Oops.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 02:54 AM

It's over. The Georgian bacon has gone cold and will now be thrown into the garbage.

Who knew it would be Santorum of all people who knocked Mittens on his ass flat over HCR? "Not worth getting mad about"? My plan, that I've been disowning for several years as a bad national model, works?

I can't believe this, I agree with Ricky: Mittens has given that issue away for the fall.

Hey remember my predix of Rubio as VP? The way those three pandered to Rubio (Mittens: "a terrific Hispanic leader"), it's like they're talking about the Cuban Jesse Jackson or something, the local ethnic cadre who they want to kiss their ring.

Also, Paul was funny about that Cuban answer. If there was justice, he would be the GOP nominee. Granted, he would lose. But that said, he could be a Goldwater, someone who broke the dam of political/philosophical change to the GOP orthodoxy and instituted long-term changes.

Imagine those debates where he would stick it to Obama over civil liberties and striving (if more sane compared to Dubya) for more war in the Middle East, and even the War on Drugs. I would pay good cash to see a guy I'm voting for squirm on those issues.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 03:05 AM

funny pic i saw online

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 03:15 AM

You know I know everybody, including Mittens, ridiculed Newt's moon base idea. Sure it was part of his self-ego bloated fantasy. Yes it's not happening because of costs and all that.

But the basic notion appeals to me since I'm a space fan and I hate how irrelevant (and let's admit it: lame) NASA has become. Plus it could be the desperately needed enema down in central Florida's economy, which has uemployment over 10%. A permanent solution.

More than anything else, it's an fascinating idea. It's cool, if unrealistic and easily mockable. But dammit, IT'S COOL! (Remember last two times it was proposed by Bush Sr. and Dubya) What ideas has Mittens given for his possible administration besides Anti-Obama this and that? His wage idea was great, but he's dropped it recently last I checked.

No on that moon base shit tonight, Mittens replied that he rather have those Federal billions instead go to housing. Government housing apparently. Maybe PB is right, maybe Mittens is a Democrat in closet denial after all.

Believe it or not, constructive ideas aren't an evil liberal thing. T.R. is seen as the first "Progressive" President, and he was a Republican. Regulate unsanitary food and medicine? Be responsible and preserve our forests and coastal shores? Break up some Trusts who've gotten bigger and more powerful than the nation?

No wait, he's an evil socialist after all.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 05:21 AM





Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 05:24 AM

heres a few more plz share these around lol





look at romney's pic

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 02:39 PM

So this random thought came to mind when reflecting upon that Mittens statement from the debate last night that he never voted for a Democratic candidate when there was a GOP candidate on the ballot.

Why is Mittens embarrased (or acts like it) about voting for Tsongas in the Democratic presidential primary in '92? Certainly a Massachussetts Democrat worried about deficit spending, he would've possibly been considered an attractive choice for cross-party voters. It's not like he voted for Ted Kennedy, as McCain and later Newt made it out to be.

Mittens could've argued that yeah he voted for the other party, but it proves that he's more concerned about issues than mindless partisanship. Better than anything else, it would be true, something the records can't disprove. It's not dodgy like his stance on abortion or HCR or whatever.

Why is that a liability?

EDIT - A break from Mittens Bashing, bigtime lose Rick Perry is back in the news:

Quote:
"Texas taxpayers were billed almost $800,000 in travel costs for a security detail to travel with Gov. Rick Perry largely on out-of-state events tied to his presidential campaign from September through November," the Austin American Statesman reports.


http://www.statesman.com/news/texas-poli...00-2128522.html
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Why is Mittens embarrased (or acts like it) about voting for Tsongas in the Democratic presidential primary in '92?

I caught that too, Ronnie. Short answer: He's pandering to the partisan loons who would vote for Idi Amin if he were a registered Republican rolleyes.

Still, I'm rooting for him to KO the Pillsbury hypocrite from Georgia, by way of Pennsylvania. He's an angry, lying, hypocritical scumbag. If he were to win the nomination (by some miracle), Obama will win at least 35 states come November. And you can write that number down.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
In addition, several high profile Republicans are attacking Gingrich including Bob Dole.



Bob Dole? Wow. He'll be on my 2013 dead list.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 04:16 PM

I wonder if the Viagra still works for him?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 06:20 PM

Did anyone watch the FLA debate last night? By all accounts, Mitt did much better tho this morning they are showing National polls with Newt in the lead (FWIW). And the Clown show continues... smile



TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 06:26 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: olivant
In addition, several high profile Republicans are attacking Gingrich including Bob Dole.



Bob Dole? Wow. He'll be on my 2013 dead list.


i have mondale on my 2012 list.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 07:56 PM

Poll shows Romney surging in Florida

By Brian Montopoli, CBS News

Mitt Romney leads Newt Gingrich by nine points in a new poll of likely Republican primary voters in Florida, the latest sign that the former Massachusetts governor has reversed the momentum Gingrich gained following his South Carolina primary victory.

The Quinnipiac University poll, released this morning, shows Romney leading Gingrich 38 percent to 29 percent, with Ron Paul following at 14 percent and Rick Santorum at 12 percent. The poll reflects a clear surge for Romney: In a Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday, Romney led Gingrich by just two points.

Romney's increased support comes from men in the Sunshine State, who've gone from backing Gingrich 37 percent to 33 percent to backing Romney 36 percent to 29 percent. (Romney's ten point advantage among women has roughly held steady.)

In polls taken immediately after his primary win, Gingrich was leading Romney by as much as nine points. Now polls are consistently showing Romney with a lead in the high single digits.

Gingrich's best hope to close the apparent gap was probably last night's Republican presidential debate. But after shining in both debates last week in South Carolina, Gingrich has been on his heels in these debates, and Romney was widely seen as having put in the better performance last night.

Florida is a "winner-take-all" delegate state, which means the state's 50 delegates will go entirely to whoever comes out on top in the primary.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Did anyone watch the FLA debate last night? By all accounts, Mitt did much better tho this morning they are showing National polls with Newt in the lead (FWIW). And the Clown show continues... smile


TIS


Yes TIS, I did. Romney did well, especially when he jibed Gingrich for also having mutual fund investments in federal corporations. However, what continues to be interesting to me is the way Brit Hume during his comments about the debate continued to jab at Gingrich. He appears to have a real animus for Gingrich as does Coulter et al.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 09:48 PM

I've heard Coutler's comments on Newt and am not surprised by Hume. Really, the GOP does not have a selection this year, let's face it. They would rather have Mitt then Newt. I think they are realizing they have to at least try to rally around Mitt because nobody seems to want Newt...or more than they don't want Mitt. lol

Re the debate: I gotta say I would never vote for him but I do find Ron Paul likeable on a certain level. I laughed when he mentioned "age discrimination" when they questioned his age/abilities. And when he said some politicians should be sent to the moon. lol


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 09:51 PM

My brother was very impressed by what they had to say during the debate about their wives. He said that based on the candidates' answers to the question about their wives, he wants to know why they don't step down and let their wives run! lol
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 09:55 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Re the debate: I gotta say I would never vote for him but I do find Ron Paul likeable on a certain level. I laughed when he mentioned "age discrimination" when they questioned his age/abilities. And when he said some politicians should be sent to the moon. lol


TIS


I like Paul also. But, as politicians tend to do, he simplfies complex issues by ignoring their complexities and possible negative outcomes.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/27/12 10:18 PM

Romney Converted His Father-in-Law After He Died

Quote:
Edward Davies, Mitt Romney's militantly atheist father-in-law, was indeed posthumously converted to Mormonism by his family, despite the fact that when he was alive he regarded all religions as 'hogwash.'"


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/0...l#disqus_thread

I know the LDS have been caught going into graveyards, converting Catholic and Jewish graves (especially Holocaust victims) into the Church of Salt Lake, but I personally never suspected Mittens' own clique doing it themselves. Might explain the LDS' healthy membership growth rate.

(Hey Pizzaboy when you die, can I convert you into Scientology? You'll get to hang out with L. Ron Hubbard and shit.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 03:08 AM

(This is a repost what else I supplemented to the Mittens-conversion report on another message board.)

Selected passages from the wikipedia page on LDS' baptism of the dead:

Quote:
The LDS Church holds that deceased persons who have not accepted or had the opportunity to accept the gospel of Christ in this life will have the opportunity to accept the gospel in the afterlife. As all must follow Jesus Christ, they must also receive all the ordinances that a living person is expected to receive, including baptism. For this reason, members of the LDS Church are encouraged to research their genealogy.


Quote:
This research is then used as the basis for Church performing temple ordinances for as many deceased persons as possible. As a part of these efforts, Mormons have performed temple ordinances on behalf of a number of high profile people. Of particular interest are: the Founding Fathers of the U.S., Presidents of the U.S., Pope John Paul II , John Wesley , Irving Berlin, Albert Einstein, Gandhi, Christopher Columbus , Adolf Hitler , and others.


Quote:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints performs vicarious baptisms for individuals regardless of their race, sex, creed, or morality. It has baptized both victims and perpetrators of the Holocaust , including Anne Frank and Adolf Hitler. Some Jewish Holocaust survivors and some Jewish organizations have strenuously objected to this practice.


Quote:
The LDS Church has urged members to submit the names of only their own ancestors for ordinances, and to request permission of surviving family members of people who have died within the past 75 years, and has enforced these guidelines to the best of its abilities, erasing hundreds of thousands of improperly submitted names.


Quote:
In May 2009, it was discovered that President Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, "who died in 1995, was baptized posthumously into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints last year during her son's campaign. ... It is not yet clear whether Obama is troubled by the practice. The White House declined to comment Tuesday [May 5, 2009]." The June 4, 2008 baptism was performed in the Provo Utah Temple, and a week later the ritual of endowment was performed on behalf of Dunham. LDS Church spokesman Scott Trotter confirmed that someone did perform a proxy baptism for Dunham, but said it was "counter to [LDS] Church policy for a church member to submit names for baptism for persons to whom they are not related."


Technically, theologically speaken, the Romneys did nothing wrong. But that said, this news could come off as just too weird for the mainstream. You know the Evangelicals who don't trust Mittens (or prejudist, your pick)? Yeah they're given another reason to not want to like the guy.

But the mainstream will be reminded (or informed) of the converting of thousands of people across different religions to the LDS, and of course that old PR nightmare over the Holocaust victim post-mortem conversions especially. Reading that wikipedia page, I totally forgot about that one sect who converted Obama's dead mother.

Then there is the last element of that entire story: The fact that allegedly, Mittens' father-in-law was an atheist who stayed an atheist while the rest of his family converted to Mormonism, and allegedly gave no wishes or desires to be baptized into that faith after his passing. There would be a debate about the ethics and supposed morality of such a post-mortem move on somebody who may've not wanted it.

Mittens has another problem perhaps. Not a screw-up of his own making like his Tax mess, or running away from old policies like HCR and abortion. No he would be a victim in this one, and if that smear hits...it's going to be ugly.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 04:20 AM

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Roseanne Barr to run for Green Party presidential nomination

http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/01/26/roseanne-barr-will-seek-green-party-presidential-nomination/
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 04:31 AM

Seriously? LMAO lol Now we need Ron Paul to run as a third party and really add to the show. lol



TIS
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 09:27 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/0...l#disqus_thread

I know the LDS have been caught going into graveyards, converting Catholic and Jewish graves (especially Holocaust victims) into the Church of Salt Lake, but I personally never suspected Mittens' own clique doing it themselves. Might explain the LDS' healthy membership growth rate.


Sorry to interject here but, as a member of the LDS Church, the above is misleading to say the least. Not sure where you got the "going into the graveyards" bit.

Here it is in a nutshell. The names of deceased persons are submitted to the LDS Church, usually by living family members or close friends who are members of the Church. Certain ordinances are done for them in LDS temples, including baptism by proxy. The belief is, it gives those who never had a chance to hear and accept the Gospel while they were alive, an opportunity to do so while they are in the spirit world or afterlife. Or to accept it after the fact, even if they had initially rejected it in mortality. Since you need to have a body to be baptized, obviously it has to be done by someone in their behalf who is living. They can also be married to their spouses and sealed to their families via proxy.

The idea that the LDS Church is somehow forcibly converting anybody is ludicrous. The work in the temples is done for them but that certainly doesn't mean they lose their free will, with which they can accept or reject it on the other side. It basically comes down to this - if what the Church is doing is true, than it's a great service for the whole world. If not, then it really has no effect for good or bad anyway.

Certain enemies of the Church know this very well and yet choose to take offense anyway. It was they who made a big stink about the Church doing proxy baptisms for deceased Jewish people, including Holocaust victims. But the Church and Jewish leaders came to an agreement on that. And, for the record, the Church doesn't count the dead among it's membership rolls.

Anyway, not trying to proselytize here. Just setting the record straight. Which I imagine we'll have to do a lot more if Romney is ultimately elected.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 04:26 PM

Ivyleague - thanks for the corrections. The "graveyard" bit I apologize for being rhetorically ignorant.

However with regards to "setting the record straight," remember those polls when Dubya was President that 10-15% of Americans thought the government was behind 9/11? Now you have 10-15% who apparently think the current President is a Muslim. I'm sure the same retarded insane 10-15% will believe what they want to believe about a President Romney.

Because the most successful political smears work on general public ignorance. That's always been the case.

I posted that article and allegation at another message board, and the local liberals there kneejerked in disgust, but then claim they're above using one's religion against a candidate. I wish we Internet users were there together in the flesh so I could give them a long, bland stare. Really? Bullshit. I can clearly see that public front used to attack the LDS later this year, in the form of the Holocaust victims. Nevermind the inevitable extention of already existing jokes about polygamy and "magic underwear."

But to defend those liberals, I'm damn certain Newt will beat them to it. A animal is most dangerous when it's bleeding.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 04:31 PM

The liberals that you're speaking of are phonies, Ronnie. When it suits them, they can get just as ugly as their far right counterparts.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 05:55 PM



Quote:
Just over half of Americans doubt that he pays his fair share in taxes. After hearing about his actual income and tax rate, these people are less likely to think he “cares about people like me”—an attribute on which Romney is disadvantaged relative to Obama and which is a perennial predictor of how people vote. Information about his wealth also leads a larger fraction of Americans to believe he cares about the wealthy, and this belief in turn also reinforces the sense that he does not care about “people like me.” The more Romney’s wealth and taxes are discussed, the more he may seem like someone who cannot relate to ordinary voters. This may explain why, during a time in which his wealth and taxes were in the news, negative views of Romney jumped 20 points among whites with incomes below $50,000.


http://today.yougov.com/news/2012/01/26/mitt-romneys-tax-problem/
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 07:11 PM

What in the world is fair? I take advantage of the capital gains tax rate. I still pay quite a bit in federal income tax. What's the standard by which fairness is measured?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 07:58 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
What in the world is fair?

A cold beer after a hard day's work.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 08:03 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
What in the world is fair?

A cold beer after a hard day's work.
You got it my friend wink
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
What in the world is fair?

A cold beer after a hard day's work.


But, I don't like beer. So, what's fair? Wine?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
What in the world is fair?

A cold beer after a hard day's work.


But, I don't like beer. So, what's fair? Wine?

You live in Texas and you don't drink beer?

Now tell me you don't eat red meat, either tongue lol.

Better watch out Rick Perry doesn't deport you for being a sissy.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 08:21 PM

wink cool No matter what ya drink it is all good . I also love my food. Guess in the long run we can only hope and pray for the best . wink
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
What in the world is fair?

A cold beer after a hard day's work.


But, I don't like beer. So, what's fair? Wine?

You live in Texas and you don't drink beer?

Now tell me you don't eat red meat, either tongue lol.

Better watch out Rick Perry doesn't deport you for being a sissy.


I don't drink alcohol except wine just a few glasses a year.

If he tangled with me, Rick Perry would mess up his panties.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 09:02 PM

lol
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 09:44 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

However with regards to "setting the record straight," remember those polls when Dubya was President that 10-15% of Americans thought the government was behind 9/11? Now you have 10-15% who apparently think the current President is a Muslim. I'm sure the same retarded insane 10-15% will believe what they want to believe about a President Romney.

Because the most successful political smears work on general public ignorance. That's always been the case.

I posted that article and allegation at another message board, and the local liberals there kneejerked in disgust, but then claim they're above using one's religion against a candidate. I wish we Internet users were there together in the flesh so I could give them a long, bland stare. Really? Bullshit. I can clearly see that public front used to attack the LDS later this year, in the form of the Holocaust victims. Nevermind the inevitable extention of already existing jokes about polygamy and "magic underwear."

But to defend those liberals, I'm damn certain Newt will beat them to it. A animal is most dangerous when it's bleeding.


What you said is very true. And we Mormons are very aware of it. We're more or less expecting that, the farther Romney gets, the more it will become somewhat of a referendum on the Church itself. There will be the same kind of false claims that were made about Kennedy being controlled by the Pope because he was Catholic. And like you said, for all their pretended sensitivity, liberals are not above playing this card. In fact, in recent polls, it was found that the secular liberals on the far left dislike Mormons even more than the evangelical conservatives on the far right. And that's saying something.

As far as Romney himself goes, even though he's LDS, that doesn't mean I'm automatically in the bag for him. On one hand, the guy is very smart, knows business, and is a natural leader. And while I'm not convinced anyone will beat Obama, I think Romney has the best chance to do so out of the remaining GOP candidates. On the other hand, his flip-flopping bugs us Mormons more than anyone. Changing ones beliefs is understandable, if it's genuine, but he held positions late in life on some things that just don't jive with his supposed beliefs. Furthermore, while it may be him pandering to the right in the primaries, he seems to be leaning too far toward the unchecked capitalism types for my taste.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 11:40 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


As far as Romney himself goes, even though he's LDS, that doesn't mean I'm automatically in the bag for him. On one hand, the guy is very smart, knows business, and is a natural leader. And while I'm not convinced anyone will beat Obama, I think Romney has the best chance to do so out of the remaining GOP candidates. On the other hand, his flip-flopping bugs us Mormons more than anyone. Changing ones beliefs is understandable, if it's genuine, but he held positions late in life on some things that just don't jive with his supposed beliefs. Furthermore, while it may be him pandering to the right in the primaries, he seems to be leaning too far toward the unchecked capitalism types for my taste.


I...obviously don't like Mittens. I know, shocking revelation. But if he was elected, it would be a watershed moment in American history. For an often disrespected American cultural entity, it would be their moment of unparallel political legitimacy much like JFK was for the Catholics. Or to use another example from across the ocean in a different office all together, for the Poles when Pope John Paul II was crowned with his funny God hat.

Four years ago, I remember Mittens trying to break bread with the Evangelicals like JFK had to do with the Southern Baptist Democrats. They nodded, smiled, spit in his face, and politely told Mittens to go fuck off. So now at the last debate, Mittens had to dodge that loaded Mormon question, acting it like a liability. Which for that insane party base, it unfortunately is. (Why else is Newt their apparent morality champion?)

I wonder, what if he had forcefully approached that question as he had with Newt and his Bernie Mac investments? Cynically I would say nothing would've changed, in fact their might've been a backlash again him and rile up that same base even more.

EDIT - In my meltdown a week or two ago, I inadvertedly thought of something: Notice how his own party base don't seem to really respect Mittens. I remember Anne Coulter's argument that let's get him elected, then beat up on him.

Would the Neocons/Teabaggers all kneecap him like what the liberals did to Jimmy Carter, or first half of Bill Clinton's first term? Or even the GOP with the second half of George Bush'sterm?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/28/12 11:46 PM

Sarah Palin goes to war!

From her Facebook page:

Quote:
Now, I respect Governor Romney and his success. But there are serious concerns about his record and whether as a politician he consistently applied conservative principles and how this impacts the agenda moving forward. The questions need answers now. That is why this primary should not be rushed to an end. We need to vet this.

Pundits in the Beltway are gleefully proclaiming that this primary race is over after Florida, despite 46 states still not having chimed in. Well, perhaps it’s possible that it will come to a speedy end in just four days; but with these questions left unanswered, it will not have come to a satisfactory conclusion. Without this necessary vetting process, the unanswered question of Governor Romney’s conservative bona fides and the unanswered and false attacks on Newt Gingrich will hang in the air to demoralize many in the electorate. The Tea Party grassroots will certainly feel disenfranchised and disenchanted with the perceived orchestrated outcome from self-proclaimed movers and shakers trying to sew this all up.


Quote:
This whole thing isn’t really about Newt Gingrich vs. Mitt Romney. It is about the GOP establishment vs. the Tea Party grassroots and independent Americans who are sick of the politics of personal destruction used now by both parties’ operatives with a complicit media egging it on. In fact, the establishment has been just as dismissive of Ron Paul and Rick Santorum.

Newt is an imperfect vessel for Tea Party support, but in South Carolina the Tea Party chose to get behind him instead of the old guard’s choice. In response, the GOP establishment voices denounced South Carolinian voters with the same vitriol we usually see from the left when they spew hatred at everyday Americans “bitterly clinging” to their faith and their Second Amendment rights. The Tea Party was once again told to sit down and shut up and listen to the “wisdom” of their betters. We were reminded of the litany of Tea Party endorsed candidates in 2010 who didn’t win. Well, here’s a little newsflash to the establishment: without the Tea Party there would have been no historic 2010 victory at all.


I like those code words: "We need to vet this."

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150516734848435
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/29/12 12:17 AM

Let's keep in mind that the Republican nomination goes to the candidate with the most delegates at the convention. That'sa long way off and the race could remain competitive for months yet.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 01/29/12 12:45 AM

Although no guarantee who gets the nomination, Super Tuesday is only a few weeks away- March 6th.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/30/12 07:45 AM

You strap your dog on the roof of your car one time, outraged dogowners get pissed and form a "Super Pack" against you.



http://www.dogsagainstromney.com/
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 01/30/12 08:09 AM

Ha ha, I only wish dogs could vote. Mitts way ahead Florida polls.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/30/12 10:36 PM

For what it's worth.

Quote:
A new Pew Research poll finds Republicans remain unimpressed with their party's presidential field. In fact, more Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the GOP field is only fair or poor (52%) than did so in early January (44%).

By comparison, just 46% of Republican voters have positive opinions of the GOP field. At about this point four years ago, 68% of Republican and GOP-leaning voters rated the field as excellent or good.


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/01/30/gop_voters_even_more_unimpressed_with_candidates.html
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/31/12 02:37 AM

Apparently Newt will abandon a few primaries including Michigan's. He may be relying on Super Tuesday.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/31/12 02:42 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Apparently Newt will abandon a few primaries including Michigan's. He may be relying on Super Tuesday.


That's odd, since last I checked he was actually competitive for MI.

And yes, I'll post what the New York Post reported earlier and which Newt is running with hard at the last moment. It's a good embarrasing (if obviously misleading) smear against Mittens.

Quote:

Mitt Romney is getting heat for a 2003 veto he cast as governor of Massachusetts to reject $600,000 in additional funds for poor Jewish nursing-home residents to get kosher meals.

At the time, Romney said he nixed the funding of about $5 per day because it “unnecessarily” would lead to an “increased rate for nursing facilities” — even as kosher nursing homes were complaining that state-funding-formula changes could force them to close their kitchens.

“I was outraged,” Jeffrey Goldshine, the retired CEO of a company that operated a kosher facility in Massachusetts, told The Post yesterday….
Romney’s spokesman defended his opposition, saying the state was in crisis and the kosher funding veto was needed to head off higher reimbursement rates for Medicaid.


Quote:
“He eliminated serving kosher food for elderly Jewish residents under Medicare,” Gingrich said. “I did not know this, it just came out yesterday. The more we dig in, I understand why George Soros in Europe yesterday said it makes no difference if it’s Romney or Obama, we can live with either one.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/ro...O#ixzz1kxLbaTwb
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/31/12 03:50 AM

Gingrich campaign spokesman R.C. Hammond told CNN Monday that Michigan and Nevada – two states that Romney won during his unsuccessful 2008 presidential campaign – will be difficult political terrain for the former House speaker come February.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/31/12 04:21 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Gingrich campaign spokesman R.C. Hammond told CNN Monday that Michigan and Nevada – two states that Romney won during his unsuccessful 2008 presidential campaign – will be difficult political terrain for the former House speaker come February.



Obviously, I was wrong.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/31/12 04:58 PM

Newt is a real piece of work.

I hear the Republicans in D.C. are ordering hard liqur and the Dems are ordering champagne.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/31/12 05:14 PM

Dan Burton, longtime Republican representative from Ill. won't seek reelection.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/31/12 10:12 PM

Rule of thumb: Unless apparently you're name is "Barack" and you cover Al Green, politicians should NEVER EVER tried to sing in public. It's a no-win situation. (Breaking News: They sing as well as the rest of us.)

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/01/12 12:14 AM

Mittens is sounding pretty confident isn't he? Maybe he's in a singing competition with the President. wink

All cable news is alive with the FL election. From all indications it would be a shock if Romney didn't win. They claim double digits. I hear though Ol' Newt is in it til the end.

I'd hate to live in FLA right now. Can you imagine the cut-throat ads? I'm talking 24/7. panic

TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/01/12 12:14 AM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Newt is a real piece of work.

I hear the Republicans in D.C. are ordering hard liqur and the Dems are ordering champagne.



He's a real piece of something that's for sure. lol


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/01/12 01:55 AM

Worth noting, for your consideration:

Quote:
The county map shows two states: the northern - i.e. Southern part of Florida - and the rest. Gingrich is winning the South. In many counties up there, he is winning 2 -1.


Having watched part of Mittens' victory speech, Bill Maher (of all flipping people) was absolutely right: The GOP are campaigning against not Obama the President, but Obama of their Imagination.

His election caused the recession? The economy is getting worse, no positive reversal*? Quite frankly, that's two assertations easily disproved. And I doubt Mr. Bin Laden's corpse, if it could be asked if not inside some Indian Ocean fish intestines, would call the President an appeaser.

*=Especially weird since the other day, which I noted here in this thread, he admitted the economy was getting better. Huh?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/01/12 02:05 AM

According to the exit polls in FL a large percentage of people voted for the primary reason of "electability"..someone who will beat President Obama.

I see Santorum is giving his speech calling for an end to all the in-fighting/attacks. Of course, he'll never win so he can call for peace. smile

I'd imagine Florida will be relieved to NOT have negative campaign ads. Let's face it though, everyone complains and says they don't like all the negative ads BUT evidently they work.

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/01/12 03:10 AM

TIS, I remember a number came out today: 92% of all the GOP primary ads were negative.

You know call me living in the moment blinded, but even Obama/Hillary wasn't this nasty. Oh sure Hillary race baited with that infamous 3 AM commercial (or unintentionally, whether the POV) but quite honestly, I truely believe Newt and Mittens absolutely hated each other.

Which means one thing: President Mittens is going to audit Newt's ass to oblivion and beyond.

EDIT - TPM brought up that Obama actually fired one of his surrogates back in '08 for calling Hillary a "monster." How hilariously taint in retrospect.

EDIT 2 - Interestingly, PPP polls earlier today before the FL results had Newt/Mittens/Santorum in a real 3-way race in Missouri and Ohio. Will that change once the Florida storyline sinks in? Maybe, probably actually. But worth noting again.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/01/12 07:13 AM

Now that's a cheap shot.

Tweeted from the White House last night:

Quote:
How loving owners transport their dogs.



(For context for those that don't get it, Romney got heat for allegedly years back strapping his dog on top of his car during a roadtrip.)
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/01/12 04:01 PM

Losing Florida by such a landslide doesn't bode well for Newt at all. Because Florida, insane asylum that it can be, is more like the rest of the country than any of the other three early states (South Carolina, Maine and Iowa).

North Florida is the Deep South. Southwest Florida is like the Midwest. Southeast Florida is where New York City meets Latin America. And it all blends together along the I-4 Corridor from Tampa Bay through Mid-Florida.

Newt's toast. I know he's going to stick aound out of spite, but if the melting pot of the State of Florida is any indication (and I believe it is), it's all over but the shouting.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/01/12 07:48 PM

I just watched a focus group on Fox. One woman stated that Newt was the anti-candidate and that he's a grumpy old man.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 02/01/12 10:09 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Now that's a cheap shot.

Tweeted from the White House last night:

Quote:
How loving owners transport their dogs.



(For context for those that don't get it, Romney got heat for allegedly years back strapping his dog on top of his car during a roadtrip.)


a cheap shot yes...but, who the fuck straps a dog on top of a roof?! i hope obama likes his next four years of dealing with the gop hissing fit over losing the election.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233


a cheap shot yes...but, who the fuck straps a dog on top of a roof?!


The same guy who likes to fire people, the same guy who makes $10,000 bets with the mentally challenged like Rick Perry, the same guy who defends corporations as people, the same rich guy who knows how it feels to "fear" losing his job, the same guy who wants to beat the Taliban by winning, the same guy who pays only 15%...no 13.9%...no 40-50% tax!

The same guy who the night after kicking Newt's fatass all over Florida and should be basking in that glory, he goes vintage Mittens on national TV this morning with his newest bonehead comment:



Regardless that this line was taken out of context, why can't he THINK BEFORE HE TALK? He should've smacked himself on the head Mark Harmon style once he said ""I'm not very worried about the very poor. There's a safety net there." Almost makes me nostalgic for Dubya. At least when he said something stupid, we all laughed about it and moved on. Nobody ever called Dubya an asshole for saying "misunderestimate."

This is a difference between the Republicans and Democrats. GOP likes to nominate such people to top of the ticket. Democrats dump them to the VP slot, to be seen but not heard. (Imagine if Biden was President.)


Originally Posted By: BAM_233

i hope obama likes his next four years of dealing with the gop hissing fit over losing the election.


He'll be too busy planning his Presidential library to worry that much about them. Just Barry, don't follow Bubba's advice and rent out the Lincoln Bedroom. It won't end well.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 02:01 AM

The Onion:

Gingrich Privately Regretting Not Doing 'More Jew Stuff' On Florida Campaign Trail

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gingrich-privately-regretting-not-doing-more-jew-s,27237/
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 04:28 AM

Speaking of Presidential Libary's LOL . Did you see Obama's ( a Outhouse) 2 holer running over ! Hope they don't put it out here.

Also seems Newt. really got neutered, wonder if he had what ya call it a Barmvitza , but he never has grown up just rich off alot of people. rolleyes And they talk about the so called mafia, mob it there is one confused they oughta check out these sandbox's. cool

I gotta go have a selcer ate to much. Goodnight !
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 04:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Frosty
Speaking of Presidential Libary's LOL . Did you see Obama's ( a Outhouse) 2 holer running over ! Hope they don't put it out here.

Also seems Newt. really got neutered, wonder if he had what ya call it a Barmvitza , but he never has grown up just rich off alot of people. rolleyes And they talk about the so called mafia, mob it there is one confused they oughta check out these sandbox's. cool

I gotta go have a selcer ate to much. Goodnight !


I know I just read something supposedly written English, but I can't comprehend anything posted here. So I'll just wing it in replying back.

RE: Presidential libraries are multi-million dollar shrines to hubris and re-writing history. Worse the accounting books are kept private, since these are not public institutions (i.e. federal funded), so we don't know how much did party A give to this President, or what favors in exchange might've been done by a President while in office to score those funds. (I read a book recently alleging that the Saudi Kingdom gave Clinton $10 million for his library. And what did he do to return the favor?)

Also, have you noticed how ugly these libraries tend to be? All that money, and in architecture they tend to stand out as memorials to trends or worse, bad taste, tacky in their self-importance. (see Clinton's Library.)

As for Newt, well he got away for decades for being Newt. What kept him from great political heights are the same ones that have doomed him.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 05:28 AM

Trump to endorse Newt.


Newt, Palin, Perry, Cain, Trump, they are the Axis of Stupid.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/02/trump-to-endorse-newt-113227.html
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 07:37 AM

Two things...

As a general rule, I try to avoid topics about politics and religion on these boards. But I would hope that the people here who roll their eyes at the obvious bias of Fox News do the same with MSNBC on the other end.

I'm sure we all know that the Romney video above is edited in order to be taken out of context. I point that out, not because I'm attempting to stump for Romney, but because the misrepresentation, distortions, etc. are just one of the many problems with politics today. It's the equivalent of one of the Romney PAC's taking Obama's "We're going to lose if we keep talking about the economy" comment out of context in their ad.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 08:34 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Two things...

As a general rule, I try to avoid topics about politics and religion on these boards. But I would hope that the people here who roll their eyes at the obvious bias of Fox News do the same with MSNBC on the other end.


Any person with decent taste and intelligence would absolutely agree with you. Yet this polarized nation, both sides sure love their mindless ideological porn. Yeah I said it, PORN. You're not enlightened what so ever about the world and current events, as much as your previously held views are re-enforced in entertainment masquerading as "news." Goebbels would be impressed.

Might be a reason why I have strong fondness for the New York Post. They're biased as hell, yet like Daily Show (if different format) they have an inescapable sense of humor that cuts through the narrative. More than that, both are free of the offensively pretentious self-applauding "Journalism" that MSNBC and Fox News both claim to be practicing. Both in fact are insults to real journalists.

(Also, remember when CNN wasn't useless?)

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


I'm sure we all know that the Romney video above is edited in order to be taken out of context. I point that out, not because I'm attempting to stump for Romney, but because the misrepresentation, distortions, etc. are just one of the many problems with politics today. It's the equivalent of one of the Romney PAC's taking Obama's "We're going to lose if we keep talking about the economy" comment out of context in their ad.


It is taken out of context, just like the "like to fire people" PR blip. In context, that "fire" line was an argument for private health insurance, supposedly you "hire" or "fire" your plan. (Even though in my insurance, its more like they fire you, but whatever.) Either way, rhetorically it made sense.

But that one line was a poor choice of words to make that point. You could argue instead "I like to practice liberty" or "I believe in freedom of healthcare" or something to that effect which would make the same argument without it coming back to haunt your ass and completely blur your original argument.

A rule of politics: Don't give your enemies ammo. Democrats 24/7 have a gun to Mittens' head, and he's repeatedly recently given them bullets, which they without hesitation pull the trigger with glee. Mittens' HQ is continuously forced to try to mop up that spilled blood that you could easily confuse them for a morgue crew.

I don't like the guy, I aint voting for him, but objectively I'm saying he needs to quit fucking up.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 09:00 AM

Mittens blips, you know Newt can't resist like he can't resist a buffet.

Quote:
"I am fed up with politicians in either party pitting Americans against each other. I am running to be the president of all the American people, I am concerned about all the American people."


Give fatass credit: he has no shame in courting painful irony.

EDIT - in other news before I go to bed, Sharon Angle is endorsing Santorum. Also Mittens campaign co-chairman/former MN Governor Tim Pawlenty can't guarantee that Mittens will win next week's Minnesota caucus anymore.

Pawlenty, fix it pronto or you won't get your promised Cabinet gig.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 03:58 PM

The Left weren't the only ones miffed about that Mittens gaffe. Erick Erickson at RedState pretty much sums up that Conservative collective partisan facepalm:

Quote:
This morning Mitt Romney said he wasn’t concerned about the poor. The poor, after all, have food stamps and Medicaid. But don’t worry. If the safety net is broken, Patrician Mitt Romney will fix it so the poor can stay comfortably poor. After all, just look what he did in Massachusetts. The poor can now wait 44 days to get in to see a doctor. Excelsior!

After making sure we all understood the poor were for the Democrats to be worried about, Romney decided to keep digging his hole even bigger. By the end of the day, Jim DeMint had to rebuke him.

Romney, digging his hole deeper, said his remark needed more context. The context, according to Romney, is that we have government programs to keep the poor . . . well . . . poor but comfortable.

Oh, but that’s not all. If you misunderstood patrician Mitt Romney, he trotted out the other New England patrician, John Sununu — the man who advised George H. W. Bush to go with David Souter — to dig the hole even deeper. Sununu told the National Review that their candidate has no intention of changing policies to those that might actually lift the poor out of poverty into the middle class.



http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/02/01/the-national-reviews-candidate-wont-stop-digging/

EDIT - CNN is reporting that Donald Trump won't endorse Newt, but Mittens after all. I'm sure Mittens is ABSOLUTELY THRILLED by securing this key endorsement. Wouldn't you be?
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 05:43 PM

Mittens is giving Biden a run for his money as gaffe champion of all politics.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 06:28 PM

Romney's statements about the poor and about being able to fire people were misrepresnted by those who had an interest in misrepresenting them. However, those who don't care about misrepresentation, don't want to take the time to sort through those misrepresentations abound. Thus, politicians have to be careful about what they say. Romney should heed that advice and parse his words. But that's hard to do when you are making extemporaneous statements on the campaign trail. Just wait until the general election gets underway.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 07:47 PM

With an all-time-record of dirt being thrown by the GOPs at each other, one gaffe is highly unlikely to be believed, much less fatal.

Interestingly, Romney's dad made a fatal gaffe in '68, when he was the governor of Michigan and the GOP front-runner for the presidential nomination. Like almost all other politicos, he'd started out as a strong supporter of the Vietnam war, then started criticizing it after the famous Tet offensive. Asked by a reporter why he'd been so optimistic and supportive just a couple of years earlier after a Defense Dept.-sponsored tour of Vietnam bases, Romney replied, fatally, "I was brainwashed." tongue
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 08:27 PM

Well we soon should all be able to rest easy. I hear The Donald will hold a press conference very soon to endorse "Romney." Weren't you all wondering who he was gonna endorse? One rich guy endorsing another rich guy. lol



TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 08:34 PM

I'm torn. The Cain endorsement; the Trump endorsement. Which one to follow?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/02/12 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I'm torn. The Cain endorsement; the Trump endorsement. Which one to follow?


I laughed earlier that Mittens might've wished he didn't get the Trump endorsement, but apparently reports claim he actively courted The Donald's support and even did a press conference with him.



Why? Mittens is not going to lose the nomination. It's his, is he really worried of losing the Tea Party vote to Newt? Is he that desperate?

Newt, as disgusting of a human being as he is, he has some political symbolic power as a former Speaker of the House and former leader of the Republican Party. Trump...is Trump. He has all the baggage of the world, with no net positives for Mittens. Even GOPers mostly don't respect Trump. (Why would they?)

Not to mention Trump has no qualms of being Trump and saying something stupid that'll be tied to Mittens, or try at least. Me and Jennifer Rubin actually agree on that point.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/03/12 01:36 AM

I heard a good one today, regarding Newt's space program idea and starting a space colony......."Newt was trying to appeal to the people in area 51." lol lol


TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 02/03/12 01:41 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I heard a good one today, regarding Newt's space program idea and starting a space colony......."Newt was trying to appeal to the people in area 51." lol lol


TIS


i thought newt was against illegal aliens?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/03/12 03:29 AM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I heard a good one today, regarding Newt's space program idea and starting a space colony......."Newt was trying to appeal to the people in area 51." lol lol


TIS


i thought newt was against illegal aliens?


I thought Newt was from Area 51.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/03/12 03:39 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant


I thought Newt was from Area 51.


From the Planet of Cholesteroly, where he is King.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/03/12 04:22 AM

Has anyone ever seen Newt and Michelin Man in the same room at the same time?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/03/12 06:09 AM

Florida's Primary isn't over.

Quote:
Newt Gingrich will challenge Florida's winner-take-all allocation system, spokesman R.C. Hammond said.

The campaign is asking Florida to award delegates proportionally based on the primary results. The campaign is sending a letter to the Florida Republican Party and are supposed to post it on Newt.org tonight.

Asked if Gingrich campaign would be doing this if Gingrich had won Florida, Hammond said, "Probably not."


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...or-16-delegates
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/04/12 07:15 AM

Remember when I said politicians should THINK BEFORE THEY TALK? Don't worry, it's not Mittens this time.

Quote:
On the eve of Saturday's Nevada caucus, Ron Paul sits down with Piers Morgan for a revealing interview, during which the Republican from Texas shares his views on rape and abortion: "If it's an honest rape, that individual should go immediately to the emergency room, I would give them a shot of estrogen."


"Honest" rape? What does that mean? Is that like a Honest murder or Honest theft or Honest stalking? Is Date Rape "honest"?

I understand (I think) what in context he was trying to say, but that won't be the story if the media bothers to bring this up.

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02...ere/?hpt=pm_mid
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/04/12 09:16 AM

I want to read that book.

Quote:
Brett O'Donnell, a Republican operative "who won plaudits for bolstering Mitt Romney's recent debate performances is not being retained by the frontrunner's campaign, an apparent victim of internal tensions over staff receiving too much credit for the candidate's comeback," Politico reports.


Quote:
"After O'Donnell was identified last week as advising Romney and then highlighted in subsequent news accounts as being one of the reasons behind the former Massachusetts governor's improved debate performances, Romney campaign officials grew uneasy. O'Donnell received phone calls late last week from two Romney advisers... where it was made clear that there was severe discomfort about how his role was being portrayed in the media and that he ought to tread lightly."


Who got the big head: Him or they?

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/0...l#disqus_thread

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/04/12 01:52 PM

Another Inspiring Speech from Santorum
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/04/12 05:09 PM

Am I the only one reminded of Steve Martin in "The Jerk"?

Are we to believe that Rick was born a "poor black child"?

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/04/12 06:23 PM

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/04/12 06:24 PM

lol lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/04/12 07:38 PM

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/04/12 07:42 PM

Ha ha ha ha! That is absolutely hilarious. Such appropriate roles. lol Perry - Gilligan and Newt the skipper. Ha ha ha ha. Poor Ron Paul tho, having to wear a dress & pearls. So funny!
lol

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/04/12 07:56 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Ha ha ha ha! That is absolutely hilarious. Such appropriate roles. lol Perry - Gilligan and Newt the skipper. Ha ha ha ha. Poor Ron Paul tho, having to wear a dress & pearls. So funny!
lol

TIS


Paul looks like Patrick Stewart in drag.

Engage! *snaps fingers in your face*
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/07/12 12:05 AM

Now that is how you deploy a powerpoint interactive presentation to visualize your argument.

http://assets.bostatic.com/frontend/projects/interactive-jobs-chart/embed/
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/07/12 01:05 AM

Political ad draws criticism

Quote:
Former U.S. Rep. Pete Hoekstra on Monday defended his debut television advertisement during the Super Bowl featuring a Chinese actress speaking broken English, saying the criticism about the spot as racially insensitive was a tactic by Democratic opponents to divert the conversation away from spending.

"We are not surprised they are coming out of the left field and throwing anything at the wall," said Hoekstra, R-Holland, who is vying for the U.S. Senate seat held by Debbie Stabenow, D-Lansing.

The ad drew criticism not only from Democrats but also from Republicans, Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders for using negative stereotypes. Hoekstra on Monday said he knew the tactic was aggressive, but the point "is not to raise eyebrows for raising eyebrows' sake," Hoekstra said...
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/07/12 01:28 AM

What got me about that ad was, instead of thinking gee China is sure molesting our economy (which is actually sorta true), I thought instead gee what a pretty girl. MESSAGE LOST!

Why not instead a fat tycoon in Shanghai, surrounded by strippers and go-go dancers? Or in that same frame, a party official/bureaucrat in Beijing?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/07/12 01:31 AM

Is this Santorum's week?

Quote:
[B]ehold Rasmussen's newest, which shows Rick Santorum as the only Republican to beat Obama head to head. This is the latest in a week-long series of polls, from pollsters left, right and center, showing Santorum doing better against Romney than Gingrich or Paul, or better against Obama than Gingrich or Paul and either better or about even with Romney when matched against Obama -- or, having a significantly better favorable-to-unfavorable ratio (this IS a significant poll number this far out, unlike a horse-race match-up) than anybody in the GOP field.


http://spectator.org/blog/2012/02/04/santorums-slow-mo-surge-contin
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/07/12 01:34 AM

Fmr. Bush advisor Peter Feaver warns the GOP:

Quote:
"Republicans must come to terms with the fact that this will be the strongest Democrat incumbent on national security and foreign policy they have faced in decades. This has more than a whiff of damnation with faint praise, since both President Clinton and especially President Carter were hobbled with substantial national security baggage during their reelection campaign. But for precisely that reason, I think Republicans have sometimes settled for an intellectually lazy critique because, given how weak the opposing party's record is, that seems to have sufficed. Not this time."


http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20...policy_critique
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/07/12 02:38 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Is this Santorum's week?


No. But that question did remind me of that line from Winter's Bone , where Teardrop forces the sheriff to back down by gravely intoning "Is this gonna be our time?" lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/07/12 04:28 AM

Well the prized endorsement is already paying off.

Trump takes credit for Romney winning Nevada

Quote:
Donald Trump told Fox News that his endorsement was key to Mitt Romney's big victory in the Nevada caucuses on Saturday.

Said Trump: "There was a lot riding on that particular race in Nevada and it was interesting, because the numbers were much, much greater than you thought. And a lot of people are giving me credit for that. And I will accept that credit."

He added: "There was a lot of confusion as to who I was going to endorse, and frankly, that made things more exciting."


I stand correct on my previous opinions about that "endorsement."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 05:38 AM

I forgot about the primaries today, so I randomly found out on another message board that apparently Mittens the unstoppable front-runner had a very very very bad night.

To be fair, his campaign had played down expectations (i.e. we know we're going to lose) in Minnesota and Missouri, which was a nonbinding primary. But Mittens still lost EVERY COUNTY in Missouri. How does the appointed unstoppable front-runner (he got my nod too) pull that off? A total morale defeat, regardless if it counts on paper or not.

But Colorado, if it holds up, that'll be a painful loss. Just days ago, I saw polls where Mittens had a good lead. Which apparently evaporated in favor of Santorum. (Didn't help that Mittens in his rally speech said he might end up #1 or #2. Already conceding defeat to his supporters before the results are even conclusive.)

Why can't Mittens dispatch Newt or Santorum, two political also-rans who's "careers" ended in humiliation defeat years ago? Of 8 primaries so far (if CO ends up a Santorum win), Mittens has won three, Santorum with four and Newt with one. I'll let others calculate the delegate math, since apparently Paul beat Mittens in Minnesota for 2nd place. (and by 10 points.)

Come to think of it, Colorado/Missouri/Minnesota have another thing in common besides tonight: all are supposed swing states.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 05:42 AM

Talk about kicking Mittens while he's down.

Santorum:

Quote:
"I Care About 100% Of America!"


ZING!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 06:14 AM

Colorado GOP chairman calls CO for Santorum.

Turn out the lights, the party is over.

~Meanwhile, Mittens throws a pity party at his HQ.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 08:07 AM

Fun Fact: Mittens' SuperPacs outspent Santorum 30-1 in Minnesota, only to win 3rd place.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 04:14 PM

Correction: Mittens lost every county in Missouri and Minnesota.



Anyway, Rod Dreher at AmericanConservative said something I've wondered for awhile:

Quote:
Until last night, I would have pegged Romney as by far the most electable in the GOP field. Now I’m not at all sure. Obviously he has more appeal to the independent swing voters than Santorum does. But who gets excited about the prospect of voting for Romney? If Romney is the next president, he’s going to get no respect from Congressional Republicans, who will know how weak he is, even with his own base.


Be like when the liberals kneecapped Jimmy Carter.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 04:22 PM

They are talking today about the possibility of a "Brokered Convention" which I had to look up. They say it hadn't happened since Dewey? confused Anyway, it sounds like what they do is wheel & deal delegates at the convention. All new to me.


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 05:29 PM

It amazes me that the rednecks and religious nuts would rather broker a convention than get behind a centrist candidate. In their minds, Romney may as well be a Democrat. I think he still gets the nomination, but Obama doesn't even have to campaign to beat him.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 05:39 PM

Yes, I'm confident that Romney will be the nominee. Remmeber, the nomination is a function of delegate count, not state count. It's also important to look at the actual vote count. Except for Missouri, the vote count was relatively small in the primaries this month so far. Romney has more than twice as many delegates so far.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
It amazes me that the rednecks and religious nuts would rather broker a convention than get behind a centrist candidate. In their minds, Romney may as well be a Democrat. I think he still gets the nomination, but Obama doesn't even have to campaign to beat him.


PPP came out today with a figure that won't matter (or might?) 9 months from now, still worth noting:

Quote:
The poll finds that 58% of Democrats were "very excited" about voting in this year's election, as compared to 54% of Republicans. Six months ago, enthusiasm tilted towards Republicans, 54% to 48%.

"Generally you would expect voters to get more excited as the election gets nearer. That trend is occurring on the Democratic side, but not for the GOP."


I have no trouble believing this.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 06:13 PM

How Mormonism May Shape Mitt’s Welfare Policies

Quote:
But to understand his attitude towards the poor, it may be necessary to look at the interesting—though unsystematized—tradition of Mormon economics. Romney is certainly aware of the tradition—in fact, as a local leader of congregations, he helped administer it—and there’s little doubt that it has informed the way he thinks about poverty, wealth, and the dynamics of government assistance.

Mormonism has from the beginning thought of itself as less a church than a community, a place where, as Mormon scripture states: "They had all things common among them; therefore there were not rich and poor, bond and free,” and “there were no poor among them.” The Book of Mormon states quite flatly that there is no such thing as undeserving poor: It is the obligation of any Christian to offer aid whenever it is requested, no questions asked. And so it’s not surprising that, during the nineteenth century, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young repeatedly tried to implement a form of Christian socialism, asking their followers to deed all their property to the church and redistributing it as need might demand.

These attempts rarely worked: Joseph Smith complained that greed sabotaged what he called “the law of consecration.” Still, the church went on to establish a rather extensive internal welfare system. Members are regularly asked to contribute money to assist the poor of their own congregation, and the Church Welfare Program, run largely by volunteers, produces food and clothing in farms, canneries, and factories for distribution—both to those inside and outside the church.


http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/100490/mormon-romney-poverty-welfare-poor
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 07:26 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
They are talking today about the possibility of a "Brokered Convention" which I had to look up. They say it hadn't happened since Dewey? confused Anyway, it sounds like what they do is wheel & deal delegates at the convention. All new to me.


TIS


Not to brag but I have ben talking about this possibility for months. I still see Jeb Bush kicking and screaming his way to the podium "reluctantly" answering the call of his party.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 07:28 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Well the prized endorsement is already paying off.

Trump takes credit for Romney winning Nevada

Quote:
Donald Trump told Fox News that his endorsement was key to Mitt Romney's big victory in the Nevada caucuses on Saturday.

Said Trump: "There was a lot riding on that particular race in Nevada and it was interesting, because the numbers were much, much greater than you thought. And a lot of people are giving me credit for that. And I will accept that credit."

He added: "There was a lot of confusion as to who I was going to endorse, and frankly, that made things more exciting."


I stand correct on my previous opinions about that "endorsement."


I wonder who " a lot of people" are... Trump's chauffer, secretary, gofer.....
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 07:52 PM

Trump "Confused" About Santorum

Quote:
Donald Trump, who claimed his endorsement gave Mitt Romney victory in Nevada, told CNN he was perplexed about Rick Santorum.

Said Trump: "Rick Santorum was a sitting senator who in re-election lost by 19 points, to my knowledge the most in the history of this country for a sitting senator to lose by 19 points. It's unheard of. Then he goes out and says oh 'okay' I just lost by the biggest margin in history and now I'm going to run for president. Tell me, how does that work? ... That's like me saying I just failed a test. Now I'm going to apply for admission to the Wharton School of Finance. Okay? He just failed a test.... And now he's going to run for president. So, I don't get Rick Santorum. I don't get that whole thing."


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/02/08/trump_confused_about_santorum.html#046170a
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 08:02 PM

That's actually a pretty lucid observation, especially for a clown like Trump.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 02/08/12 11:29 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
That's actually a pretty lucid observation, especially for a clown like Trump.


I've been thinking about this since 2008 when my friend, Bob Casey with a little help from Obama's coattails defeated Santorum easily. Almost immediately after his defeat pundits were excitedly touting him as presidential timber. He seemed a little misplaced in Pennsylvania where our Republican senators tend to be moderates like Specter and Heinz.

In the early 90s when I was working in a law office in Harrisburg as a young attorney, our boss asked all the attorneys to go to the State Capitol in 15 minutes because a former office intern was going to announce his candidacy. I had never heard of Rick Santorum, but as a favor to my boss I accompanied him and several others to the Capitol. I was amazed that there were seats set up for about 125 people, but his audience consisted only of our small contingent and about a dozen of his family members. During his speech he would occasionally turn and face an empty arrangement of seats on his left. I was surprised when he won the nomination, and shocked when he won the election.

While I do not share his political beliefs, I should note that he has a remarkable memory for people's names. I have bumped into him maybe only 5-10 times since that announcement, but he remembers my name and the names of my wife and kids, whom he's never met.

While I will not vote for him because of differences on the issues, I believe he has real leadership qualities. I am not surprised that he is achieving some considerable measures of success in the GOP primaries. I have to say he is the best representative of the conservative voice in America, much more genuine and far less machiavellian than Gingrich. I'd have to say that he has more conviction than Romney. But I just can't vote for him.

By the way, I too feel Trump is a blowhard, who's trying to turn the election into his own personal circus. I can't see how he is viewed as credible after his attack on Obama's birth certificate and school grades.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/09/12 02:28 AM



Well, Jesus was Jewish so why not?
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 02/09/12 02:59 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Said Trump: "Rick Santorum was a sitting senator who in re-election lost by 19 points, to my knowledge the most in the history of this country for a sitting senator to lose by 19 points. It's unheard of."


He actually ranks 24th and lost by 17.4 points. Abe Lincoln lost two senate elections before becoming President, but why bother with facts?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/09/12 04:23 AM

Originally Posted By: ht2

He actually ranks 24th and lost by 17.4 points. Abe Lincoln lost two senate elections before becoming President, but why bother with facts?


Not to mention Honest Abe served only one term as a Congressman, and even then he chose not to run for re-election because his Anti-war rhetoric and record against the (very damn popular) Mexican-American War made him locally toxic.

~In that regard, one of the reasons why I hold him in very high regard. See just because you don't compromise your views for short-term gain doesn't mean you're screwed long-term.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 02/09/12 01:55 PM

Originally Posted By: ht2
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Said Trump: "Rick Santorum was a sitting senator who in re-election lost by 19 points, to my knowledge the most in the history of this country for a sitting senator to lose by 19 points. It's unheard of."


He actually ranks 24th and lost by 17.4 points. Abe Lincoln lost two senate elections before becoming President, but why bother with facts?


What does Lincoln losing 2 senate elections have to do with the statement about a sitting senator losing by a wide margin?
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 02/09/12 02:45 PM


Originally Posted By: Don Marco

What does Lincoln losing 2 senate elections have to do with the statement about a sitting senator losing by a wide margin?

True, but his off the cuff remark that he lost by the widest margin in US history was way off base.

http://factcheck.org/2012/02/is-santorum-the-biggest-senate-loser/
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 02/09/12 06:07 PM

At least we all agree on one thing: Trump is an egomaniacal blowhard.

As for Santorum (the candidate not the google definition), while I disagree with him on 99.9% of what he says, at least he is sincere in his beliefs, relatively comfortable in his own skin, and not afraid to speak up. He does not appear to be "handled" by advisors. What you see is what you get, and that is why he is resonating among the right, IMHO. He is, if you will the anti-Romney.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/09/12 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
As for Santorum (the candidate not the google definition), while I disagree with him on 99.9% of what he says, at least he is sincere in his beliefs, relatively comfortable in his own skin, and not afraid to speak up.

Yeah, he honestly doesn't seem to be a bad guy. And I'm sure that his supporters will be quick to point out that he has at least as much experience as Obama did when he was elected. But he's a religious zealot. And we've been there and done that. Never again. Never again.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 02/09/12 09:33 PM

Probably more experience than Obama had. Santorum had two terms in the Senate, and I think he was on the armed forces committee.

However as you rightfully point out, PB, contrary to what some believe, the United States is not a theocracy.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/09/12 09:42 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
However as you rightfully point out, PB, contrary to what some believe, the United States is not a theocracy.

I get lucky every few years lol.

Funny thing is, the Bible thumpers who enter politics love to quote scripture. But they have their own interpretation of "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

When you confront them with it, they just give you a wry smile. It really pisses me off lol.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/10/12 05:43 AM

National Review kicks Mittens in the balls for his minimum wage proposal. They even use the P word!

The Wages of Pandering

Quote:
Mitt Romney has done himself no favors in developing a reputation for political inconstancy, but a flip-flop on his recently reaffirmed support for automatic increases in the minimum wage would be welcome. Indexing the minimum wage to inflation is bad economics, bad public policy, and bad politics: the full trifecta of political incompetence.


Ouch.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/290604/wages-pandering-editors

EDIT - NYT reported this earlier today:

Quote:
This year Foster Friess, '08 Romney donor, told Romney he would support Santorum. Romney, baffled, asked 'Why take Rick seriously?'


Speaking of Rick:

Quote:
Team Santorum hits back at Romney's only-I-have-the-money-and-organization-to-win argument. 'What an inspiring message,' says Santorum spox. 'I can't wait to put a bumper sticker on my truck that says MONEY-INFRASTRUCTURE 2012.'


OK that was good. lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/10/12 06:58 AM

PPP polled on North Carolina.

Quote:
Since September Obama's gone from 31/62 to 48/49 with independents in North Carolina, his best numbers with them in that state since June.

Obama leads Romney 47-46 and Santorum 48-46 in North Carolina.

In 4 swing state polls we've done over the last 2 weeks, Romney does only 1.25 pts better than Santorum.

Romney's swing state blues: 31/56 fav in NC, 28/56 in OH, 30/54 in MO, 29/56 in MN. Just not popular.


Their new national poll comes out tomorrow, but they've already tweeted that Santorum is in the lead.

Quote:
This will mean every GOP candidate who made it to 2012 will have led in 1 of our national polls except Paul, Huntsman, and Roemer
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/10/12 06:29 PM

This will be the turd in the punchbowl for Mittens' camp at CPAC this weekend. From the conservative-leaning poll of polls for Fox News...

Rasmussen: Obama With A Ten Point Lead Over Romney

Quote:
The Rasmussen tracking poll of a possible matchup between President Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney shows Obama with a ten point lead in their polling. The Ras national tracking poll is an average of 500 automated interviews a night over three days. "This is the largest lead the president has enjoyed against Romney in regular polling going back more than a year," Rasmussen wrote in its analysis. "It’s also the first time that the president has reached the 50% level of support against Romney."


http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/en...ad-over?ref=fpb
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/10/12 06:35 PM

Speaking of polls, I can't say I know this site and can't confirm how legit it is, BUT it does bring a smile to my face. lol

The Right Freaks Out As GOP Poll Finds 20% Of Republicans May Vote For Obama

http://www.politicususa.com/en/republicans-support-obama


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/11/12 06:37 AM

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/11/12 06:59 AM

We've talked previously about how Mittens sucks at freestyling in public. Apparently a line from CPAC yesterday that's giving currently him grief, it's a gaffe because at the heat of the moment he added one little word that wasn't in his prepared text speech. I'll highlight that one word.

Quote:

"I fought against long odds in a deep blue state, but I was a severely conservative Republican governor."


Less freestyling, more parroting will do that boy wonders.

~When brainiac Rush Limbaugh whacks you over that choice of word, you know you really screwed up.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/11/12 07:21 AM

Santorum donor:

Quote:
A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk into a bar... the bartender says, "Hey, Mitt!"


lol

EDIT -

Not a Mittens gaffe, but a failed joke one-liner like Obama's milk regulation line at the SOTU address:

Quote:
“I served in government, but I didn’t inhale."


Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/11/12 08:14 AM

Just to be fair, I'll post two more stupid things said at CPAC yesterday by the two other candidates:

Newt's novel solution to immigration:

Quote:
Gingrich recounted how in the successful world of private sector companies, companies like UPS and Fedex can track packages accurately across the world and provide the information free to customers.

"Here's the world that fails: the US government cannot find 11 million illegai immigrants even if they're sitting still," he said. "Now I have a proposal we send a package to everyone who's here illegally and when it's delivered we pull it up on a computer, we know where we are."


Rick Santorum on Obamacare:

Quote:
"[The France Revolution] was a secular revolution on which we relied on the goodness of each other. This is the left’s view of where America should go. And of course where did France go? To the guillotine. To tyranny. If there are no rights that government needs to respect, then what we see with ObamaCare is just the beginning of what government will do to you,"
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/11/12 11:32 PM

Mittens wins the CPAC straw poll, of course Paul won how many of those in recent years? Anyway NYT reported that he bused in the same east coast kids that he bused down to South Carolina to give his rallies some bodies and enthusiasm.

Mittens also won the Main caucuses, which to be fair started voting a week ago, before Tuesday.

TPM so far reports that in early results coming in, Mittens won 39% in Maine, followed by Paul at 35%.

If the totals keep up, turnout will be higher than 4 years ago, but Mittens' voting % has dropped by 12 points compared to the '08 primary outing in Maine.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/11/12 11:53 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
what we see with ObamaCare is just the beginning of what government will do to you,"




Has it occured to Santorum that he has been and is still trying to be government?

Does anyone else see Santorum as the Catholic version of an evangelical?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 02/12/12 03:30 AM

Starting at about 0:21

"Can I shake your hand anyway?"

"NO!"

lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3M4ZL31a8&feature=related
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/12/12 03:32 AM

Spooky.

Quote:
Maine GOP Chairman Charlie Webster told the Portland Press-Herald on Friday that "either Paul or Romney will win by 200 votes, in my opinion, one way or the other."

The final margin: Romney by 194 votes.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/13/12 06:31 PM

Romney's Valentine:






lol


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/13/12 07:54 PM

TIS - that made my day.

Anyway, give props to Santorum: he's holding a rally in Washington, same day that state's Governor is expected to sign gay marriage into law. Clever.

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/13/12 07:58 PM

I just heard that Santorum is ahead of Mitt in Michigan (which is were Mitt was born). Granted there is time yet, BUT I a thinking it's Ricky's turn to take the lead before it eventually goes to Romney. Btw, Newt is very very silent. What happened to the ego-man anyway?

And the Clown show continues. lol


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/13/12 08:00 PM

Norquist: Romney will be our Bitch

This is a must read.

On friday at CPAC, feared Anti-Tax lobbyist Grover Norquist gave a speech indicating how much Mittens is respected by him and other conservative "leaders." He says the following, as reported by David Frum:

Quote:
All we have to do is replace Obama. ... We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.


Quote:
Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.


Frum observes the bluntly obvious:

Quote:

This is not a very complimentary assessment of Romney's leadership. It's also not a very realistic political program: congressional Republicans have a disapproval rating of about 75%. If Americans get the idea that a vote for Romney is a vote for the Ryan plan, Romney is more or less doomed.

To date, sad to say, Romney has worked hard to confirm this image of weakness.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/13/grover-norquist-speech-cpac.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/13/12 08:11 PM

You know, as the quotes above seem to indicate, alot of Republicans are forgetting that there is a little organization called the Congress that figures into the Republican agenda. Signing stuff assumes that there wil be stuff there to sign.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/13/12 10:44 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
You know, as the quotes above seem to indicate, alot of Republicans are forgetting that there is a little organization called the Congress that figures into the Republican agenda. Signing stuff assumes that there wil be stuff there to sign.


To be fair, GOP winning Congress is quite plausible. I'm willing to bet a whole day's paycheck that the Dems won't retake the House, and the GOP has a solid shot of winning the Senate.

So yeah, why wouldn't right-wingers assume their GOP President would be the rubber stamper?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/13/12 10:47 PM

While the big headline from the new Pew survey has Santorum/Mittens dead heat, here is a figure worth reading:

Quote:
November, Mitt Romney was beating President Obama among independent voters, 53% to 41%. Now those numbers are upside down: Obama tops Romney among them, 51% to 42%. That's a net 19 point swing of independents in Obama's direction in three months


To go negative or not to go negative against Santorum? That is the question.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/14/12 03:06 AM

Focusing on the real issues.

Mittens/Newt/Santorum all promise to Ban Distribution of Porn

Quote:
The conservative group Morality In Media is head over heels today after all three top Republican candidates promised to go war against the distribution of porn.


Quote:
What the candidates and the group really are saying through the usual right wing code is that they want to ban pornography.

On one of their many websites, the group claims blames pornography for most of society’s ills and believes that porn causes brain damage, “Simultaneously, medical research documenting how pornography harms brain function is now available, yet it is still relatively unknown to parents, medical personnel, legislators, and law enforcement.”


Quote:
If you really want to know how the Republican Party got so screwed up, consider that the top three candidates for the Republican presidential nomination has given more detail about how they would ban pornography than they have about how they would create jobs. I don’t care what people do in the privacy of their homes, and you would think that supposedly “small government” conservatives wouldn’t either.


http://www.politicususa.com/en/ban-porn-gingrich-santorum-romney
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/14/12 03:37 AM

Now, don't be too critical. I favor severe restrictions on pornography and actually woul dsupport an outright ban on it. I seriously doubt that the ratifiers of the 1st amendment did so to protect pornography.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/14/12 04:13 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Now, don't be too critical. I favor severe restrictions on pornography and actually woul dsupport an outright ban on it.


why?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/14/12 04:45 AM

Something or nothing?

Quote:
There’s no clear proof yet that any of Mitt Romney’s offshore accounts helped him avoid (even entirely legally) US taxes. But if it is ever is proven, he could have a problem with a recent comment in Maine. Pressed on the question of offshore accounts by a hostile questioner at a town hall meeting, Romney denied avoiding any taxes with his offshore accounts.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/14/12 06:07 AM

NYT reports that a Mittens SuperPac (which of course Mittens has NO coordination with) has bought $500,000 worth of TV ads in Michigan.

The hammer is coming down.

EDIT - And their first ad will attack...Newt.

confused
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/14/12 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I'm willing to bet a whole day's paycheck that the Dems won't retake the House

Have you ever had a job? tongue lol
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 02/14/12 05:52 PM

i miss seeing these debates

they were very entertaining

the next one is on Feb 22nd

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/14/12 11:52 PM

I know politicians promise things both ways, but this takes the cake.

Mittens:

Quote:
“This week, President Obama will release a budget that won’t take any meaningful steps toward solving our entitlement crisis,” Romney said in a statement e-mailed to reporters. “The president has failed to offer a single serious idea to save Social Security and is the only president in modern history to cut Medicare benefits for seniors.”


Damn him for not cutting entitlements, and damn him for cutting entitlements!

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 12:09 AM

Are you two of the three men who walked in the bar? lol



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 12:14 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Have you ever had a job? tongue lol


I'm not willing to risk a week's paycheck, because what if they actually win the House? That's alot of cash to piss away.

Of course obviously not alot for you, huh Mitt? tongue
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 12:27 AM

*facepalm*

Romney Backer Attacks Santorum For Same Votes He Cast Himself

Quote:
The Romney campaign did just that when they dispatched former Sen. JIm Talent (R-MO) to attack Rick Santorum’s budget-busting vote to add a Medicare prescription drug program in the Senate. The problem they quickly ran into was that Talent voted the same way.


Quote:
Medicare wasn’t the only awkward note for Talent. As the same reporter noted in the call, Talent also voted for a bill containing the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere” earmark that the Romney campaign is going after Santorum on this week.


http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0...elf.php?ref=fpb
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 03:25 AM

The hammer has dropped, and the Mittens SuperPac are starting their TV carpet campaign against Santorum. Their strategy as reported to Buzz Feed:

Quote:
A Mitt Romney adviser told BuzzFeed about the campaign's coming "two-front attack" on Rick Santorum which "may make previous attacks on Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich look like mere love taps."

Said the adviser: "Santorum's a blank slate, so everyone's projecting on to him what they want because he's the last anti-Romney. Santorum is going to get introduced to people that don't know him."

First, he'll be compared to President Obama: "He's never run anything. The biggest thing he ever ran is his Senate office."

Second, he'll be painted as a creature of Washington: "They're going to hit him very hard on earmarks, lobbying, voting to raise the federal debt limit five times. The story of Santorum is going to be told over the next few weeks in a big way."


That first charge is, am I the only one who thinks it reads weak? At least Santorum was elected to two full Senate terms, 8-9 more years than Obama had when he left. Worse, Santorum can easily deflect that charge. I mean Mittens, remember when you wanted to join the Senate too once before Teddy Kennedy murdered your dream?

The rest, I don't know. The only real weapon might be the lobbying charge if there is actually something to it. Of course Santorum could point to that NYT article reporting Mittens surrounding himself with an army of lobbyists. (and the potential backfiring: see Mr. Talent above.) Not saying it will, but it's there.

The rest just feels meh. Maybe its because after Newt, in comparison it reads rather boring and mundane petty Congress shit instead of scandalous. Few resumes can match Newt in the slime department.

But really, the lobbying might amount to something if it's a Freddie Mac situation. Might.

EDIT - come to think of it, strange how Mittens arguably is handicapped against Santorum because alot of his obvious, real sore points that Democrats would attack with glee...Mittens can't or won't because it's a party primary. Who knows, maybe he'll go for it?

EDIT 2 - Here's the first SuperPac ad:



Ok the "51-0" number was actually pretty good. Rick's people need to fight that. But wow he voted with Hillary! on Something! I've seen better.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 10:05 AM

Elie Wiesel checks Romney

Quote:
Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust survivor who has devoted his life to combating intolerance, says Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney "should speak to his own church and say they should stop" performing posthumous proxy baptisms on Jews.

The Nobel Peace Prize winner spoke to The Huffington Post Tuesday soon after HuffPost reported that according to a formerly-Mormon researcher, Helen Radkey, some members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints had submitted Wiesel's name to a restricted genealogy website as "ready" for posthumous proxy baptism. Radkey found that the name of Wiesel had been submitted to the database for the deceased, from which a separate process for proxy baptism could be initiated. Radkey also said that the names of Wiesel's deceased father and maternal grandfather had been submitted to the site.

A spokesman for the Mormon Church claimed that the names were simply entered into the database, and none were submitted for baptism, which he described as a separate process. The entry of a living person, he said, was a mistake, and he provided no explanation for the submission of Wiesel's father and maternal grandfather. By Monday the records for the names of Wiesel and his family had been changed to "not available," according to Radkey.

The incident follows years of controversy and efforts by Jewish leaders, including Wiesel, to get the Mormon Church to stop the practice of posthumous proxy baptism that many find objectionable...
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 10:08 AM

The most effective argument that Romney has against Santorum is that Santorum is a one issue nutcase who will scare independents away in a fall election and squander the opportunity to "make Barack Obama a one term president" to use Bachmann's mantra.

Unfortunately since Romney is currently pretending to be just as nutty he can't really use that line of reasoning with primary voters.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 10:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
The most effective argument that Romney has against Santorum is that Santorum is a one issue nutcase who will scare independents away in a fall election and squander the opportunity to "make Barack Obama a one term president" ...


lol Gotta love Lilo's short, succinct style.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 02:08 PM

Santorum ad fires back at Mittens: (Vide won't embed, so click the link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OtOcrS6axnE

OK that made me laugh.

Two lessons from this:

(1) His opponent has made Mittens look more badass (even in mocking attack) than his campaign has.
(2) a Santorum cutout is apparently tougher to kill than Bruce Willis in a skyscraper.

EDIT -

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 03:55 PM



Romney's Closer to Obama on Auto Bailout than either Let's On

Quote:
Mitt Romney is again slamming the White House for its handling of the auto bailout, calling it “crony capitalism on a grand scale” in an op-ed in The Detroit News. And once again, Democrats are responding that if Romney had been in charge, the auto industry would be dead and millions of jobs with it. Lost in all the infighting is this: they pretty much endorsed the same bailout.

“What Obama did is what Romney said would be a good idea,” Edward Altman, a professor of finance at NYU-Stern who testified before Congress during the auto crisis, told TPM. “Both of them deserve a great deal of credit for the turnaround, Obama more than Romney, because Romney just wrote an op-ed and didn’t implement it.”


Quote:
The problem is Mitt committed so heavily to the no-bailout, anti-intervention rhetoric, that he’s now saddled with being on the wrong side of Detroit’s comeback. It’s the price of shifting with every political wind. You can flip and flop but it’s hard to flip back a third time.


http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0...they-let-on.php
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 04:55 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Of course obviously not alot for you, huh Mitt? tongue

lol lol

I get that you're joking, Ronnie. I really do. But no one should feel like they have to apologize for being successful. That's where the far left/occupiers went off the beam. They'd have you believe that anyone with money is guilty of something, and that they should feel remorseful about it. And that's bullshit.

Now I might be a liberal Democrat, but I ain't crazy. If I can provide my family with a nice lifestyle through a lifetime of hard and honest work, then I'm going to give it to them. And I'm sure that you would do the same thing smile.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 04:58 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Of course obviously not alot for you, huh Mitt? tongue

lol lol

I get that you're joking, Ronnie. I really do. But no one should feel like they have to apologize for being successful. That's where the far left/occupiers went off the beam. They'd have you believe that anyone with money is guilty of something, and that they should feel remorseful about it. And that's bullshit.

Now I might be a liberal Democrat, but I ain't crazy. If I can provide my family with a nice lifestyle through a lifetime of hard and honest work, then I'm going to give it to them. And I'm sure that you would do the same thing smile.


In my class last night we got into the same type discussion. I told my students that I was probably richer than any of them, but that didn't necessarily mean I was rich. Nevertheless, I am proud of what I've achieved. Nevertheless, rich or not, I don't think I should be targeted with taxes.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 05:02 PM

Well put, Oli smile.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

I get that you're joking, Ronnie. I really do. But no one should feel like they have to apologize for being successful. That's where the far left/occupiers went off the beam. They'd have you believe that anyone with money is guilty of something, and that they should feel remorseful about it. And that's bullshit.


Mittens is only guilty (at the least) of being a shitty politician.

~Nobody can disagree with his mishandling of that whole tax issue.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 05:27 PM

I reposted what TPM argued about the over-familiarity of Obama/Mittens on Detroit, but The Economist pushed back rhetorically at the recent Mittens Op-Ed column:

Quote:
Free-marketeers that we are, The Economist agreed with Mr Romney at the time. But we later apologised for that position. "Had the government not stepped in, GM might have restructured under normal bankruptcy procedures, without putting public money at risk", we said. But "given the panic that gripped private purse-strings...it is more likely that GM would have been liquidated, sending a cascade of destruction through the supply chain on which its rivals, too, depended." Even Ford, which avoided bankruptcy, feared the industry would collapse if GM went down. At the time that seemed like a real possibility. The credit markets were bone-dry, making the privately financed bankruptcy that Mr Romney favoured improbable. He conveniently ignores this bit of history in claiming to have been right all along.


http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/mitt-romney-and-car-industry

Take it for what it is.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 05:28 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Mittens is only guilty (at the least) of being a shitty politician.

~Nobody can disagree with his mishandling of that whole tax issue.

I couldn't give a shit about Mitt and his money, Ronnie. I was only speaking about myself.

I'm not voting for the guy. The only positive thing I've ever stated about him was that of all the current Republicans, he's the only one who isn't a racist wingnut or a religious loon. And if---God forbid---we lose in November, I'd rather it be to him than to a religious zealot like Santorum, or a lying cheating scumbag like Newt fucking Gingrich.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

I couldn't give a shit about Mitt and his money, Ronnie. I was only speaking about myself.

I'm not voting for the guy. The only positive thing I've ever stated about him was that of all the current Republicans, he's the only one who isn't a racist wingnut or a religious loon. And if---God forbid---we lose in November, I'd rather it be to him than to a religious zealot like Santorum, or a lying cheating scumbag like Newt fucking Gingrich.


Fair enough on both points.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 05:33 PM

Did anyone see Chris Matthews this past Sunday morning?

God, does that asshole ever let anyone talk besides himself? lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Did anyone see Chris Matthews this past Sunday morning?

God, does that asshole ever let anyone talk besides himself? lol


He's a rare humanoid mutant who can only breath by talking. smile
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Did anyone see Chris Matthews this past Sunday morning?

God, does that asshole ever let anyone talk besides himself? lol


He's a rare humanoid mutant who can only breath by talking. smile


Sounds about right grin.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 05:43 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Did anyone see Chris Matthews this past Sunday morning?

God, does that asshole ever let anyone talk besides himself? lol


He's a version of O'Reilly, but when you listen to Matthews you actually acquire knowledge.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 05:46 PM

I hate it when Matthews talks over everybody and doesn't let guests speak. I think he likes to hear himself talk. rolleyes I don't know why in the world they have is show on twice in 3 hours. Surely they could find someone else.


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 05:47 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Did anyone see Chris Matthews this past Sunday morning?

God, does that asshole ever let anyone talk besides himself? lol


He's a version of O'Reilly, but when you listen to Matthews you actually acquire knowledge.

Maybe, but last week he had Gloria Borger on, and she just gets on my last nerve.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 06:32 PM

Quote:
In campaign appearances and debate performances, Santorum has often appeared eager to reinforce that focus on restoring middle-class jobs -- implicitly bucking the standard Republican line that derides issues of economic inequality and mobility as class warfare.

"We need to talk about income mobility," he implored his party at a Republican debate on economic issues in November, noting the sky-high jobless rate for Americans without college degrees. "We need to talk about people at the bottom of the income scale being able to get necessary skills and rise so they can support themselves and a family."

By the same token, Santorum hasn't shied away from mentioning poverty. "I don't believe that poverty is a permanent condition," he declares in the plan. "How do we effectively address poverty in rural and urban America? We promote jobs, marriage, quality education and access to capital and embrace the supports of civil society."


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/santo...-141221863.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/15/12 10:40 PM

The $$$ scorecard in Michigan:

Quote:
The Washington Post currently projects a 29-1 advertising advantage in Romney’s favor.


Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/16/12 05:59 PM

GOP strategist Mike Murphy gives Mittens advice:

Quote:
"He should drop the biography-based message. Nobody wants a well-intentioned accountant in charge when the house is on fire. For the first time in his professional life, Romney needs to stop thinking and calculating and get stupid. The race now is about his heart... And while the cerebral Romney may recoil at the psychological striptease this requires, it is how people pick their President in modern America. Romney must fill that vacuum or else others will maliciously fill it for him."


"Get stupid."

Yes because that's what this race absolutely needs is more stupid.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/02/16/what_romney_needs_to_do_now.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/16/12 08:49 PM

I posted yesterday about a Mittens surrogate shooting himself in the foot, well so did a Santorum surrogate:

Quote:
"Back in my days, they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn't that costly."

-- Santorum Super PAC donor Foster Freiss
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/16/12 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I posted yesterday about a Mittens surrogate shooting himself in the foot, well so did a Santorum surrogate:

Quote:
"Back in my days, they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn't that costly."

-- Santorum Super PAC donor Foster Freiss




I just watched him say that on Hardball. After, Andrea Michell told him "I'm just catching my breath from that."
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/16/12 10:26 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I posted yesterday about a Mittens surrogate shooting himself in the foot, well so did a Santorum surrogate:

Quote:
"Back in my days, they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn't that costly.

-- Santorum Super PAC donor Foster Freiss




I have been gone and only just now have seen clips of this. Say what??? uhwhat


TIS

I just watched him say that on Hardball. After, Andrea Michell told him "I'm just catching my breath from that."
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/16/12 10:31 PM

Okay TIS. Really and truly, speaking for women generally, when you hear or read a comment like that, what does it mean to you?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/16/12 10:38 PM

First of all, I never heard of such a thing. It's insulting/degrading because this clown is trying to play down the fact that women USE contraceptives because it fits in his political agenda. mad I am floored that he'd be dumb enough to make such a statement. Keep it up GOP you're gonna lose big time.

Btw, I hear they have an all male panel discussing this topic as well? Yea, bunch of men sitting in judgment on what's good for women's health. Sorry I've been gone most of the day and am picking up bits/pieces.


TIS
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Election 2012 - 02/16/12 10:39 PM

Oh boy, the Repubs have a crop of doozies. The O man must be singing some more Al Green,.."Take me to the river, drop me in the water...."
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Election 2012 - 02/16/12 10:41 PM

.... and furthermore. All we need now is Sarah Palin standing in front of that turkey-decapitation machine as she extols the virtues of the Mitt(the man out of touch with reality).
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 01:50 AM

First of all, who the F says "gals"?? No matter the context, unless you're in a 1940s musical, it's condescending. Secondly, really? Bayer aspirin between the knees in "your day"? You're 52 YEARS OLD! And I'm pretty sure that when you graduated from college in 1980, I'm pretty sure that the whole revolutionary concept of the Pill was over, for the rest of the world, anyway.

All I have to do is remember that this caveman is the author of the "Santorum Amendment" to the No Child Left Behind bill, which advocated teaching intelligent design in schools.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 02:22 AM

Ron Paul's delegate math:

Quote:
In Minnesota, where Paul nabbed 27 percent of the caucus vote, the Paul campaign estimates that 75 percent of the current delegates are Paul supporters. In Colorado, where Paul got 12 percent of the vote, 50 percent of the delegates are Paul supporters. Now delegates face elimination rounds, so it’s unclear if the Paul campaign will be successful or not in maintaining these percentages. But the campaign is hoping to pull it off.


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/291258/pauls-delegate-advantage-katrina-trinko
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 03:31 AM

Obama poised to win 2012 election with 303 electoral votes: The Signal Forecast By David Rothschild & Chris Wilson

With fewer than nine months to go before Election Day, The Signal predicts that Barack Obama will win the presidential contest with 303 electoral votes to the Republican nominee's 235.

How do we know? We don't, of course. Campaigns and candidates evolve, and elections are dynamic events with more variables than can reasonably be distilled in an equation. But the data--based on a prediction engine created by Yahoo! scientists--suggest a second term is likely for the current president. This model does not use polls or prediction markets to directly gauge what voters are thinking. Instead, it forecasts the results of the Electoral College based on past elections, economic indicators, measures of state ideology, presidential approval ratings, incumbency, and a few other politically agnostic factors
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 10:34 AM

As discussed elsewhere, the more that Republicans want to go to the mattresses on contraception, as opposed to religious freedom or mandate issues the more likely they will be to lose in the fall. Saying stupid things like this only helps to paint them as woefully out of touch.

Quote:
"Appearing on MSNBC with Andrea Mitchell today, Foster Friess, the main donor to the Super PAC backing Rick Santorum’s presidential bid, dismissed the controversy surrounding President Obama’s new birth control rule by suggesting that women should just keep their legs shut. Asked if he worried that Santorum’s Puritanical views on sex and social issues could hurt the candidate in the general election, Friess offered a more home-spun family planning scheme:

FRIESS: On this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s so inexpensive. 'You know, back in my days, they used Baer Aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly."'


Gals put it between their knees
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 12:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
As discussed elsewhere, the more that Republicans want to go to the mattresses on contraception, as opposed to religious freedom or mandate issues the more likely they will be to lose in the fall.


That snapshot of the all-male "witness" table at that House hearing on Birth Control? Bad politics.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 12:23 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Lilo
As discussed elsewhere, the more that Republicans want to go to the mattresses on contraception, as opposed to religious freedom or mandate issues the more likely they will be to lose in the fall.


That snapshot of the all-male "witness" table at that House hearing on Birth Control? Bad politics.


Indeed it was. People should learn how to manage the news cycle. Take away an easy opposition talking point by having any of the numerous pro-life/anti-contraceptive women there. Utterly cynical of course but as Littlefinger(Game of Thrones) would tell you, go with what works! rolleyes
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 01:21 PM

Santorum has been accused of many things, but never as a friend of the Unions.

Romney slams Santorum’s labor votes

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/arti...ms_labor_votes/

As a former Governor of an obviously non-union state like Massachusetts, won't that charge possibly backfire on him? Just thinking outloud.

EDIT - one thing I've learned from these primaries. All these candidates are for Big Government apparently, if you listen to their attacks against each other. Surreal though seeing Mittens in the flesh champion himself as the "true" conservative unlike Santorum. How about neither of you?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 01:27 PM

If he has the money, and works on it...well he'll never get the money.

Santorum: Romney favored Wall Street bailout, but not Detroit bailout

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-habe...not-114726.html
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 04:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
First of all, who the F says "gals"?? No matter the context, unless you're in a 1940s musical, it's condescending. Secondly, really? Bayer aspirin between the knees in "your day"? You're 52 YEARS OLD! And I'm pretty sure that when you graduated from college in 1980, I'm pretty sure that the whole revolutionary concept of the Pill was over, for the rest of the world, anyway.

Actually, Foster Friess is 72 years old. And he's the one who made the remark, not Santorum. Although he does speak for the guy, so it's understandable that Santorum is getting the backlash.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 04:56 PM

Top Ten Catholic Teachings Santorum Rejects while Obsessing about Birth Control

http://www.juancole.com/2012/02/top-ten-...th-control.html
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Top Ten Catholic Teachings Santorum Rejects while Obsessing about Birth Control

http://www.juancole.com/2012/02/top-ten-...th-control.html

I saw that, Ronnie. Santorum has become an Evangelical (not that there's anything wrong with that, as long as you're not a fanatic).

But you just gave me an idea. I'm going to speak with my own Parish Priest this weekend and get his opinion on Slick Rick. I'll let you know wink smile.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
First of all, who the F says "gals"?? No matter the context, unless you're in a 1940s musical, it's condescending. Secondly, really? Bayer aspirin between the knees in "your day"? You're 52 YEARS OLD! And I'm pretty sure that when you graduated from college in 1980, I'm pretty sure that the whole revolutionary concept of the Pill was over, for the rest of the world, anyway.

Actually, Foster Friess is 72 years old. And he's the one who made the remark, not Santorum. Although he does speak for the guy, so it's understandable that Santorum is getting the backlash.


I obviously didn't read the full quote earlier, just saw Santorum's name connected with it. Definitely a mistake on my part.

However, I do have a question about this man's POV that women should just keep their legs closed. How about men just keep it in their pants?? rolleyes
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 05:31 PM

To be fair, while some may obsess about contraception, it is legitimately within the contect of "Congress shall make no law .. prohibiting the free exercise thereof [religion]". The question to be answered is, when religion (and those who exercise it) enters the secular sphere, does it (and they) shed 1st amendment protection?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 08:42 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

I saw that, Ronnie. Santorum has become an Evangelical (not that there's anything wrong with that, as long as you're not a fanatic).

But you just gave me an idea. I'm going to speak with my own Parish Priest this weekend and get his opinion on Slick Rick. I'll let you know wink smile.


Sounds like fun.

Cole forgot #11, unless I'm wrong, Santorum also doesn't believe in evolution. Which Rome accepts.

Most Catholics in the Western world seem to treat the Church like they do the local Salad bar: take what they want and leave the rest behind.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 09:18 PM

Romney Is Attacking Santorum for Being Pro-Union. How Absurd.

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/100805/santorum-blue-collar-appeal-voters
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/17/12 09:40 PM

Now it's getting personal.

Team Romney: Santorum Lacks 'Basic Level Of Competence' To Run For President

Quote:
"One of the things with Senator Santorum, he's not even on every ballot. He won't even be on all the ballots across the country, including Virginia. There tends to be a basic level of the test of competence in running for president, the ability to get on the ballot everywhere to reflect on how you can govern as president. Senator Santorum has looked to his record as a consultant and everyone knows you don't hire a consultant to run your company. You interview a consultant, you take their advice, throw out half of it and then you turn to managers like Gov. Romney to get the work done and to choose what needs to be done."


http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/team-romney-santorum-lacks-basic-level-of-competence
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 02/18/12 01:13 AM

Ronnie, it's actually called Cafeteria Catholicism, and the following editorial is one of the most intelligent I've ever read about Catholics and the birth control issue.

http://www.lohud.com/article/20120212/OP...-contraceptives
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 02/18/12 01:26 AM

I've had a discussion or two with carmela (Tag), who is Catholic about this. I'm not Catholic but it seems to me that if the Catholics presented in this article feel they can just pick and choose what they'll believe and what they'll adhere to, them really believing the Pope and the church is led by God can seriously be called into question.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 02/18/12 01:42 AM

That's a discussion for a different thread.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/18/12 02:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Ronnie, it's actually called Cafeteria Catholicism


I know the term. I hear that mostly thrown by right-winger Catholics (and Evangelical Romanphiles) against the left-leaning members, when really is absolutely applies to both halves.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/18/12 05:00 AM

lol

Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 02/18/12 09:41 AM

Meanwhile the president over here resigned. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17072479
Well, he's less important than the US vice president.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/18/12 03:14 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Ronnie, it's actually called Cafeteria Catholicism


I know the term. I hear that mostly thrown by right-winger Catholics (and Evangelical Romanphiles) against the left-leaning members, when really is absolutely applies to both halves.

Yes, it does. The only difference is the hypocrisy of the Evangelicals when they get caught with their pants down (literally not figuratively)*.

*Oh, please forgive me Lord. And to my flock, I sweaaaaaaar it was my first time getting fellated in an airport bathroom by a barely legal sexually confused college freshman.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/18/12 04:24 PM

Mittens on thursday:

Quote:
Reacting to suggestions that -- based on an op-ed he wrote for the New York Times in 2008 -- he would have allowed General Motors and Chrysler to be liquidated:

"I can't even listen to that. Of course I wouldn't have allowed them to be liquidated."


Not to be a condescending dick, but what's the difference between "let them go bankrupt" and "I wouldn't have allowed them to be liquidated"? I'm sure there is a legitimate difference in the technical detailing and I would like to know the exact difference, but in rhetoric this shit is obviously very confusing for the average voter.

Quote:
On the federal auto rescue:

"I didn't agree with the process. But the outcome has been wonderful. The companies are more competitive, profitable and they're adding jobs."


*facepalm*

http://www.freep.com/article/20120217/NEWS15/202170439/What-Romney-said
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/18/12 05:51 PM

Getting nasty!

Santorum: Mittens earmarks too!

Quote:
As Mitt Romney celebrates the 10-year anniversary of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Rick Santorum campaigned in Ohio, blasting Romney for soliciting earmarks while heading up the games.

"One of Mitt Romney's greatest accomplishments, one of the things he talks about most is how he heroically showed up on the scene and bailed out and resolved the problems of the Salt Lake City Olympic Games. He heroically bailed out the Salt Lake City Olympic Games by heroically going to Congress and asking them for tens of millions of dollars to bail out the Salt Lake games -- in an earmark," he said. "In an earmark for the Salt Lake Olympic Games."

"One of his strongest supporters, John McCain, called it potentially the worst boondoggle in earmark history," Santorum continued. "And now Governor Romney is suggesting, 'Oh Rick Santorum earmarked' as he requested almost half a billion dollars in earmarks as governor of Massachusetts to his federal congressmen and senators. Does the word hypocrisy come to mind?"


http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/02/santorum-returns-fire-on-earmarks-114918.html
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/18/12 05:55 PM

How will the eventual winner go about picking a running mate?

They're alienating everyone with this ugly behavior. All three of them (Newt, Mitt, Santorum).
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/18/12 07:39 PM

So the new Sheriff Babeu scandal (Anti-immigration leader with gay Mexican lover), I won't go into it since the media is all over it. But it impacts the primaries somewhat in that he's stepped down from working in Mittens' campaign. What was his role? Arizona Co-chair for Mittens.

Which I might add the obvious: That primary is in less than 2 weeks.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/babeu-stepping-down-from-role-with-romney-campaign

1...2...3



EDIT - Babeu at a press conference outed himself, but says the affiar charges are false. If that allegation is true about the Mexican lover, I must ask a burning question: Is it safe to assume they did the Dirty Sanchez?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/19/12 03:06 AM

Santorum: Obama follows "phoney" Christianity

Quote:
"The president has reached a new low in this country's history of oppressing religious freedom that we have never seen before. If he doesn't want to call his imposition of his values a theology that's fine, but it is an imposition of his values over a church who has very clear theological reasons for opposing what the Obama administration is forcing on them."


http://www.kjonline.com/Santorum-says-Obama-follows-a-phony-Christianity.html

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...le?ocid=twitter

Santorum says Obama agenda not "based on Bible"

http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-says-obama-agenda-not-based-bible-011457960.html
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/19/12 04:38 PM

Did any of you watch Rick Santorum on Face the Nation? He espoused opposition to amniocentesis and, get this, states running public schools. I'm telling you, this guy is the Catholic version of an evangelical who wants to use religion to run government.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/19/12 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Did any of you watch Rick Santorum on Face the Nation? He espoused opposition to amniocentesis and, get this, states running public schools. I'm telling you, this guy is the Catholic version of an evangelical who wants to use religion to run government.


I didn't see it but saw a short clip. You're right. The guy is coming across more and more as a religious nutjob. Well, I kind of had the impression he was somewhat of a NJ but he keeps going further and further confirming that's the case. It's his fifteen minutes.

smile

TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/19/12 06:07 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Did any of you watch Rick Santorum on Face the Nation? He espoused opposition to amniocentesis and, get this, states running public schools. I'm telling you, this guy is the Catholic version of an evangelical who wants to use religion to run government.

I've been saying this for months, Oli. The guy has gone completely off the reservation.

The righties just don't get it: We don't want or need a "Preacher-in-Chief."

Their refusal to separate religion from politics has made a joke of their party. And to be honest, I feel very bad for the moderate Republicans because they're going to pay the price for this for a long time coming.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/19/12 06:10 PM

And then there's this. I thought we had rounded up all the gays.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/18/10444844-ariz-sheriff-quits-romney-campaign-says-im-gay
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/19/12 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Did any of you watch Rick Santorum on Face the Nation? He espoused opposition to amniocentesis and, get this, states running public schools. I'm telling you, this guy is the Catholic version of an evangelical who wants to use religion to run government.


I'm sure he believes alot of that (if not all of it), but he went purposely overload with his rhetoric because from all reports, Mittens is outspending him 30-1, so you gotta fight that Death Star attack some how.

It also keeps the topic on the culture war, and not on his Congressional record that Mittens is relentlessly pounding on, because Mittens can't fight him on that front.

Of course flipside, alot of that rhetoric can backfire even with primary voters. I mean asserting that pre-natal testing causes abortion? That's a little much to say the least.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/19/12 06:45 PM

The irony of the contraception argument is that all of these wingnuts are good arguments for birth control.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/19/12 06:56 PM

I keep hearing that Santorum really believes what he's saying but I have to believe a lot of it is bullshit. I mean ALL politicians bullshit. Can he be that far whacked? confused

Seriously, I am amazed at how far this contraception/birth control issue is being pushed by the right. I mean it's even down to aspirin between your knees? WTF? uhwhat On the other hand, politically speaking, I say let them continue this bullshit and they'll lose not only women voters but votes in general. There are too many other important issues to deal with and voters are starting to take notice I think.

TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/19/12 07:02 PM

This is starting to remind me of "THX 1138," which was George Lucas's first film (I think he was still a student at the time he made it). Anyway, it's set in the future and intercourse is banned. But I don't want to give Santorum any ideas.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/19/12 07:57 PM

I think that Santorumis using it to stir the right-wing cultural pot. But he does believe it. Regardless of primary outcomes, his strategy will contiue to erode female support tot he point where Republican females will stay home or they will support Obama. He alreadyhas a gender gap as does th Republican Party. So, Santorum is just making it worse. And Romney has little influence with females.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/20/12 12:59 AM

Some of you have probably seen this guy:

By msnbc.com staff

A sheriff has stepped down as Arizona co-chairman of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign amid allegations of misconduct made by a man with whom he previously had a relationship. At a press conference Saturday outside his office in Florence, Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu called the man’s allegations, published Thursday in a Phoenix New Times story, "completely false."

He said the only information mentioned in the article that's true is "I'm gay," The Arizona Republic reported.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/20/12 05:07 AM

Wreckless Predix: Mittens will at wednesday's debate pursue the "we're all pro-life, but you're too muh for alot of us" meme against Santorum.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/20/12 08:38 AM

If Mittens goes after Santorum on earmarks at the debate, he's taking a considerable risk

Quote:
In recent weeks, Romney has portrayed himself as an uncompromising fiscal conservative and criticized Santorum for being a “strong defender” of federal earmarks.

But Senate lobbying records show that the Salt Lake City Olympics Committee under Romney spent $3.5 million employing five lobbying firms in addition to its own in-house lobbying shop. Among their goals: winning federal earmarks that included $60 million for "perimeter" security; $15.8 million for "international sporting competitions"; $3 million for an extension of a Salt Lake City light rail project; as well as millions more for communications equipment, sewer projects and other programs aimed at supporting the Olympics.


Quote:
The overall federal cost of the 2002 Olympics has been estimated at about $1.5 billion, although Romney defenders say much of this was put in place before he took over the Olympics Committee in 1999. But Romney later touted his efforts in his book about the Winter Olympics, “Turnaround,” writing that he directed his chief Washington lobbyist “to bring in more federal funding than had ever been appropriated for any Olympics, summer or winter.”

And he made his success in doing so a selling point when he ran for governor of Massachusetts in 2002. “I was successful in organizing the Olympics, got record funds from the federal government," he said then.


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...word-for-romney
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/20/12 10:08 AM

http://bartblog.bartcop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/cartoon-gop-war-on-women-jpg.jpg

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...a___113180.html
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/20/12 05:58 PM

This is a pretty interestin article on the Catholic vote. Give it a read.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/20...vote/?hpt=hp_t1
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/20/12 09:26 PM

Santorum press secretary on TV earlier today...

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/21/12 07:37 AM

Romney: Gov't Grew '80 Percent' During Santorum's Time In Congress

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-govt-grew

EDIT -

Quote:
Pinterest highlights photos of the luxury hotels that appear under "TRAVEL: LODGING" in Mitt Romney's January 2012 campaign finance report.


http://pinterest.com/thinkprogress/luxury-hotels-of-the-romney-campaign/
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/21/12 07:12 PM

Last week Santorum excorciated the US public education system by decrying the federal government's particpation in it. However, what I think many listeners failed to pick up on is how he also decryed state participation in it. Madonne! Isn't it one of the Republican's mantras that states should be free to govern themselves? I hope this comes up in tomorrow's debate.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/21/12 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Last week Santorum excorciated the US public education system by decrying the federal government's particpation in it. However, what I think many listeners failed to pick up on is how he also decryed state participation in it. Madonne! Isn't it one of the Republican's mantras that states should be free to govern themselves? I hope this comes up in tomorrow's debate.

The man seems to possess a very bleak view of the American national character. Insulting the electorate and accusing it of "moral weakness" is no way to go about getting yourself elected President.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/21/12 10:04 PM

After living in Michigan for 31 years, I simply must agree with Mitt. The trees are most definitely "the right height" and "I love cars." lol lol Wow, I never realized how hard a time Mitt has trying to be not rich.



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/21/12 11:14 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
After living in Michigan for 31 years, I simply must agree with Mitt. The trees are most definitely "the right height" and "I love cars." lol lol Wow, I never realized how hard a time Mitt has trying to be not rich.



TIS


What a dork. lol

~So this fall, we have two dork candidates? That'll scare Tehran.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/21/12 11:18 PM

He needs to clarify this statement.

Quote:
Mitt Romney said that cutting spending slows growth in the economy -- the "sort of comment was sure to raise the eyebrows of fiscal conservatives in the GOP, who have long preached a message of fiscal restraint as a path to economic growth," NBC News reports.

Said Romney: "If you just cut, if all you're thinking about doing is cutting spending, as you cut spending you'll slow down the economy. So you have to, at the same time, create pro-growth tax policies."


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/21/10469786-romney-spending-cuts-slow-economic-growth
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 02/21/12 11:26 PM

I have no idea what he was trying to say when he uttered that the trees were the right height. The context of his rambling monologue suggested that he wanted to distinguish himself from Santorum by embracing sentimentality of being a native of Michigan. His delivery was almost as awkward as Rick Perry's drunken speech in New Hampshire.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/22/12 07:20 AM

Romney: Obama fights against Religion

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...secular-agenda/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/22/12 05:28 PM

Good to know our Republic is safe.

Quote:
A National Journal analysis of January's campaign-disclosure filings reveals that 25% of all the money raised by Super PACs came from just five donors.


http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-pres...people-20120222
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/22/12 05:37 PM

*facepalm*

Quote:
"I was basically pro-choice all my life, until I ran for Congress," - Rick Santorum, 1995.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/rick-santorum-abortion_n_1291634.html

The race is over.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/22/12 06:00 PM

Or maybe not. Mittens:

Quote:
but for high income folks, we are going to cut back on that so we make sure the top 1% keeps paying, paying the current share they’re paying or more.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/02/even_mitt_cant_resist_it.php?ref=fpblg

Robama '12!
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/22/12 06:17 PM

Some of you may have heard Franklin Graham on Morning joe yesterday. Once again, he doubted Obama's christianity. Today he corrected that by saying that he was only addressing Obama's position on abortion.

This guy doesn't make a mole on his Dad's rearend. His dad was not into this kind of crap statements and was a true evangelist.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/22/12 06:37 PM

Did anyone see Steven Colbert the other night? I only saw a short clip in which he's talking about how Mitt is doing in the polls in Michigan. Colbert said, "Michigan named it's shape after him." lol



TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/22/12 06:51 PM

Btw, I'm seeing brief clips of the President jamming with BB King and another of my favorites Mick Jagger. Not sure what the event was. confused



TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/22/12 09:54 PM

Where can I get a Santorum sweater vest? whistle
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/22/12 11:41 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Where can I get a Santorum sweater vest? whistle


Probably at your local Rectory. The nuns knit them.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/23/12 01:43 AM

Not watching the debate, but I caught this on a live-blogging commentary:

Quote:
I would have turned off the TV by now if I weren't being paid to keep watching.


EDIT - I'm glad actually I'm not watching this debate, because from the details coming out, I would've thrown my shoe at the Tv.

Quote:
Newt calls Obama a baby-killer. Then Romney says there has never been in America an administration more opposed to religious freedom. Santorum seems to be arguing that teen sexuality requires us to argue against contraception.


I want to laugh at this absurdity, but I can't. sick
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/23/12 02:05 AM

There's nothing new coming out of this debate so far.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/23/12 04:41 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
There's nothing new coming out of this debate so far.


Reading the transcripts, so yeah I don't know the context but four things stood out:

(1) Newt was asked about Gen. Dempsey (Chairman of the JCS) recently arguing that an Israeli pre-emptive stirke on Iran wouldn't be "prudent." Newt pretty much says the military don't know what they're talking about, he trusts Netanyahu more than the JCS. The other candidates (sans Paul) seem to agree. Total rerun of Iraq. How depressing.

(2) Mittens (yes Romney) saying twice that Iran plans to give a nuke to Hezbollah, who'll take it down to Mexico, and detonate it inside America's borders. Weird because wasn't the Latin American/Middle East terrorist "connection" a former Santorum campaign line?

Even if you favor a war w/ Iran, do you even believe this apocalyptic scenario? Israel a target of a nuclear Iran? OK I can understand that. But America? No sorry, no sale.

(3) I give Santorum props for calling out on Mittens' hypocrisy regarding his Olympic games which got federal earmarked and pegging him dead to rights as Dukakis 2.0 when Mittens brought up his fiscal conservative record. ("Dukakis balanced the budget for 10 years. Does that mean he should've been President? I don't think so.") Ouch.

(4) Mittens saying RomneyCare never mandated birth control coverage. Liar Liar...
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/23/12 06:23 PM

Former NY Governor Pataki stated that last night's debate winner was President Obama.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/23/12 07:37 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Former NY Governor Pataki stated that last night's debate winner was President Obama.

I think he's right.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/23/12 10:06 PM

I should've known this was inevitable in this election season.

All Dead Mormons are now Gay!

http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 02/23/12 10:23 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I should've known this was inevitable in this election season.

All Dead Mormons are now Gay!

http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/


The irony in that link is, one one hand, certain people (like the ones who made that site) say we Mormons are full of hot air. But they're usually the same ones who make the biggest stink out of Mormons doing baptisms for the dead. Well, you can't have it both ways, so which is it? If we're full of crap, than it doesn't matter who we do proxy baptisms for. And what's really hilarious is the pretense these people make about giving a damn about those in the Holocaust being baptized when it's really just about them having a bone to pick with the Mormons. Just saying.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/23/12 10:49 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
And what's really hilarious is the pretense these people make about giving a damn about those in the Holocaust being baptized when it's really just about them having a bone to pick with the Mormons. Just saying.


Here's my serious, legitimate question about that broad topic.

Why baptize Hitler? Surely there's enough bodies up there in the heavens that we could overlook certain people? If Mr. God thinks we've failed in the spiritual bureaucratical mandatory protocol, he can override and give him a ghost ticket.

(Would you want to share heaven with him? Who would?)
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 02/23/12 11:09 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Here's my serious, legitimate question about that broad topic.

Why baptize Hitler? Surely there's enough bodies up there in the heavens that we could overlook certain people? If Mr. God thinks we've failed in the spiritual bureaucratical mandatory protocol, he can override and give him a ghost ticket.

(Would you want to share heaven with him? Who would?)


How to make a long answer as short as possible?

Mormons don't adhere to the only heaven or hell concept that other Christians do. Christ said, "in my Father's house are many mansions." Mormons believe there are actually three general degrees or kingdoms of glory - the celestial, terrestial, and telestial. I'll forego breaking that down more.

Mormons also don't believe in a neverending state of hell like other Christians do. There certainly is a hell. It's always been there, and always will be. So, in that sense, it is eternal. But somebody is only there until they've paid "every last farthing."

Somebody like Hitler is a classic example. He will have to suffer in Hell but, eventually, that suffering will have run it's course. Eventually, Mormons believe, even somebody like him will get to the point where - through the Atonement of Christ and the ordinances of his Church (of which baptism is one) - they are freed from the "buffetings of Satan." That doesn't mean they then get to enter into God's presence in the celestial kingdom. But somebody like Hitler, besides being resurrected, will eventually enter into the the lowest kingdom - the telestial kingdom.

Again, I say this, not to proselytize, but to clarify.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/23/12 11:58 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I should've known this was inevitable in this election season.

All Dead Mormons are now Gay!

http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/


The irony in that link is, one one hand, certain people (like the ones who made that site) say we Mormons are full of hot air. But they're usually the same ones who make the biggest stink out of Mormons doing baptisms for the dead. Well, you can't have it both ways, so which is it? If we're full of crap, than it doesn't matter who we do proxy baptisms for. And what's really hilarious is the pretense these people make about giving a damn about those in the Holocaust being baptized when it's really just about them having a bone to pick with the Mormons. Just saying.


If you take your faith seriously I don't think you can get upset with other people taking their faith (or lack thereof) seriously. I don't agree with Wiesel on everything but once someone's gone leave them be. I would probably be upset too if I discovered someone else was claiming anything posthumously about loved ones.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 12:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo

If you take your faith seriously I don't think you can get upset with other people taking their faith (or lack thereof) seriously. I don't agree with Wiesel on everything but once someone's gone leave them be. I would probably be upset too if I discovered someone else was claiming anything posthumously about loved ones.


What you're saying doesn't make much sense to me. It's like the self-proclaimed atheists who can never stop ranting on and on about how there isn't a God. They spend so much time and energy about something they profess to not even believe in.

If we Mormons are full of crap, than us doing proxy-baptisms for the deceased in our temples doesn't have ANY impact on ANYONE whatsoever. We're just going through the motions.

If some other church/religion deciding to start doing baptisms for the dead tomorrow, and wanted to do it for my great grandfather, I wouldn't think anything of it because I don't believe what they're doing has any efficacy anyway.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 12:49 AM

But we don't get to decide how other people should be offended. Wiesel and a few others are offended. It's their deceased relatives, not yours. Shouldn't that be enough to stop?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 12:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
But we don't get to decide how other people should be offended. Wiesel and a few others are offended. It's their deceased relatives, not yours. Shouldn't that be enough to stop?


I understand why they're upset.

I mean all those victims, look at what was raped from them: their citizenship, their families, their finances,and finally their lives. Now they're (arguably) raped of their post-mortem dignity as well.

Surely such deep feelings of persecution and violation by a people can't just be lightly dismissed?

(Doesn't help that the LDS publicly agreed to stop the practice, unless the would-be baptized have Mormon ancestors, and allegedly they're still doing it. I stress allegedly.)
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 01:42 AM

First, Wisel calling on Romney to make the LDS Church do or not do something is completely absurd. Romney is not a general authority in the Church. He has no say on these matters. And he would have just as little influence if he were U.S. President too. And, even more to the point, it's not up to the general authorities either. They get their marching orders too.

Second, this issue about baptizing Holocaust victims is older than dirt. The LDS Church and Jewish leaders came to an agreement years ago. Of course, that doesn't mean some names of Holocaust victims here and there don't get through when somebody submits them. But it's not intentional on part of the Church.

And that's the point. A name here or there will get through and it's usually not some Jewish group who finds out or causes the initial stink. It's some anti-Mormon group or some individual who has a bone to pick that brings attention to it under the pretense of giving a damn about Jewish Holocaust victims.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 02:31 AM

This is what I'm talking about...


Researcher Helen Radkey, a former Mormon who revealed the Wiesenthal baptisms, said this week she found Frank's name in proxy baptism records dated Feb. 18, showing the ritual was performed in the Santo Domingo Temple in the Dominican Republic.


"The Church keeps its word and is absolutely firm in its commitment to not accept the names of Holocaust victims for proxy baptism," the Salt Lake City-based church said. "It is distressing when an individual willfully violates the Church's policy and something that should be understood to be an offering based on love and respect becomes a source of contention."

http://news.yahoo.com/claim-surfaces-anne-frank-baptism-mormons-225543134.html
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 03:30 AM

Now, this is quite curious. Some of us criticized Franklin Graham's attack on President Obama this past week. However, I just heard him on Greta state that if President Obama brought Israel and the Palestinians together he thinks they could reach a deal. That's not a ringing endorsement of the President, but it is some degree of an endorsement.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 04:49 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Now, this is quite curious. Some of us criticized Franklin Graham's attack on President Obama this past week. However, I just heard him on Greta state that if President Obama brought Israel and the Palestinians together he thinks they could reach a deal. That's not a ringing endorsement of the President, but it is some degree of an endorsement.


To be perfectly fair in Mr. Graham's defense, he loses nothing with that statement because those two sides won't meet each other, much less strike a deal.

~Plus it does give him some rhetorical defense after his rather public opinion. Not that he's wrong or I think less of him for doing so, but it's what I would do in his spot.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 07:23 AM

I call BS, but it's compelling none the less.

Quote:
According to investigative reporter Greg Palast, the billionaires who are supporting Mitt Romney really don't want him to win because they think he cannot beat Obama, so they are trying behind the scenes to manufacture a brokered convention so that they can usher in Chris Christie to run, who they wanted to support at first.


http://www.gregpalast.com/the-billionaires-brokered-gop-convention/#more-5723
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Now, this is quite curious. Some of us criticized Franklin Graham's attack on President Obama this past week. However, I just heard him on Greta state that if President Obama brought Israel and the Palestinians together he thinks they could reach a deal. That's not a ringing endorsement of the President, but it is some degree of an endorsement.

Never happen.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 04:02 PM

MSNBC earlier was discussing the possibility of new entries to the GOP race and how if it were to happen it would likely be in March after and depending on MI primary. They listed names of possible candidates, including Chris Christie, Jeb Bush and others. Does anyone think this is beginning to be a real possibility for the GOP or is it wishful thinking on the media's part?

smile

TIS
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
If we're full of crap, than it doesn't matter who we do proxy baptisms for. And what's really hilarious is the pretense these people make about giving a damn about those in the Holocaust being baptized when it's really just about them having a bone to pick with the Mormons.


Oh, no, no, no.....it has NOTHING to do with picking a fight with Mormons; and it DOES matter who you do proxy babtisms for because it further propagates this centuries old idea that those who don't accept Christ (Jews in particular) are somehow incomplete, unholy or just plain wrong.

And that makes it VERY dangerous stuff, IMHO. (Not to say that I don't see your logic, Ivy. I respect you and your faith immensely.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 06:03 PM

So that's where all the brains of that family generation went to.

Jeb Bush: 2012 GOP Candidates “appealing to people’s fears and emotion”

Quote:
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Thursday that he found it “troubling” that the 2012 presidential candidates are “appealing to people’s fears and emotion” on the campaign trail, according to reports.

Bush expressed concern about the type of rhetoric the candidates were using, but didn’t offer specifics or mention names.




“I used to be a conservative, and I watch these debates and I’m wondering, I don’t think I’ve changed, but it’s a little troubling sometimes when people are appealing to people’s fears and emotion rather than trying to get them to look over the horizon for a broader perspective, and that’s kind of where we are,” said Bush, according to Fox News.

“I think it changes when we get to the general election. I hope,”


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73242.html#ixzz1nJmr5ChQ
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 06:04 PM

Jeb-Christie 2012? lol
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Jeb-Christie 2012? lol


Just fuckin' great. If one can't steal the election, the other will sit on your state and tip it over.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 06:28 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
MSNBC earlier was discussing the possibility of new entries to the GOP race and how if it were to happen it would likely be in March after and depending on MI primary. They listed names of possible candidates, including Chris Christie, Jeb Bush and others. Does anyone think this is beginning to be a real possibility for the GOP or is it wishful thinking on the media's part?

smile

TIS

Wishful thinking TIS.


Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Wishful thinking TIS.

I agree, Oli. If Romney wins the nomination and they broker the convention anyway, all Hell will break loose and they know it.

I'm sticking to my guns by saying I still think it will be Romney-Rubio. And the only way the general election is even close is if the price of gas stymies whatever economic recovery we've been feeling.

And I have to say, that does make you think. Texas oil billionaires are so closely identified with Conservative Republicans, that if you're a conspiracy theorist you have to wonder why the price of gas is going up now.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 07:42 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

I agree, Oli. If Romney wins the nomination and they broker the convention anyway, all Hell will break loose and they know it.

I'm sticking to my guns by saying I still think it will be Romney-Rubio. And the only way the general election is even close is if the price of gas stymies whatever economic recovery we've been feeling.

And I have to say, that does make you think. Texas oil billionaires are so closely identified with Conservative Republicans, that if you're a conspiracy theorist you have to wonder why the price of gas is going up now.


I'm surprised liberal blogs haven't already been running headlines (disguising conspiracy theories) of a Republican-Iranian alliance against Obama.

"Tehran wants Romney to win!"

(Remember when GOPers claimed Bin Laden was rooting for Obama? Yeah I think Bin Laden realizes now he bet on the wrong horse. lol)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 07:50 PM

Mittens had his "big" economic speech today in Detroit, and...well, blame the media and blame Team Mittens for this visual being the story today.





Though to be fair, WSJ and right-wing blogs are having a laugh over this too.

http://yfrog.com/gyvmbeyj

EDIT - take it with much salt considering the news source, but MSNBC claims that this event was supposed to take place at a much smaller venue (more appropriate for the 1000+ people there) but changed at the last minute to Ford Field. The decision allegedly was made by Mittens.

You all know my lack of respect for MSNBC (and Fox News), so I'm not taking this "report" as fact just yet. To say the least.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 08:00 PM

Wow same day, another speech background gaffe but for the other party.



Can't blame him. Biden not saying something stupid is...boring.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 08:27 PM

I'd rather have one hundred more years of Obama than give Mitt Romney the satisfaction of being President for even one second...I can't stand that son of a bitch. lol

Like when he grabbed Rick Perry in the middle of a debate and then the lefty media painted it as 'erratic Rick Perry about to punch Mitt Romney !!' because they know Romney's a liberal who will probably roll over for Obama in November anyway. And Romney knows that and exploits it to his advantage.

Or the other night in the debate when the final question asked 'what is the public's biggest misconception about you?' and instead of even remotely answering the question Romney breaks into the same ole 'we need smaller government, lower deficit, I saved the Olympics' blah blah rhetoric that we've heard a MILLION times from him.

Or the 'I can tell the model and make of a car just by looking at one square foot of the body', how ridiculous is that.

The list goes on...
Posted By: JPaisano

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 08:28 PM

Or they mine as well "Sit on their Hands" right SC

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Jeb-Christie 2012? lol


Just fuckin' great. If one can't steal the election, the other will sit on your state and tip it over.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 02/24/12 08:33 PM

Originally Posted By: JPaisano
Or they mine as well "Sit on their Hands" right SC

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Jeb-Christie 2012? lol


Just fuckin' great. If one can't steal the election, the other will sit on your state and tip it over.


Thank you!! I KNEW DICKNOSE COULDN'T RESIST.... just gave him enough rope to hang himself. lol
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 02:51 AM

There are reports speculating that Romney and Paul have entered into some kind of agreement, perhaps a role of some kind for Paul if Romney wins the nomination or presidency.
Apparently with all of the mud slinging it is noticeable that these two seem to go out of their way not to discredit the other.

For instance when Romney painted his opponents as Washington insiders, he expressly excluded Paul from his castigation even though the congressman has amassed much more time as a Washington politician than Santorum or Gingrich. Moreover, Paul's sudden and puzzling labeling of Santorum as a "fake" is peculiar. Romney and Paul appear to be an odd partnership, but politics have created far stranger bedfellows. Moreover, at this time it would appear to be in Romney's benefit to have Paul stick around in the race as his followers may well be more inclined to support Santorum over Romney.

I felt that Gingrich had had some talks with Perry, possibly providing some conditional concessions, to get Perry, who was gung ho about South Carolina, to drop out of the race and endorse Gingrich. It was immediately after Perry's withdrawal that Gingrich experienced his biggest surge, passing Romney in the polling.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 02:58 AM

Someone on TV noted that. It might have been Jon Stewart. Paul knows he can't win, so hitching his wagon to a possible nominee may be a good odea.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 05:52 AM

Yeah what a joke Paul has become IMO (as if his isolationalist, drug-legalization, gold-standard b.s. wasn't enough). He seems to be hitching his wagons to whomever the frontrunner is because during the Florida debate he more than once mentioned that he might be preparing to back Gingrich, but that he had to maybe try and change Newt's policy on foreign affairs.

Now he comes out to help Romney by accusing Santorum of being a fake, a charge which MSNBC's Laurence O' Donnell of all people defended Santorum on, calling Paul the biggest fake in the entire field because of his phony libertarian stance.

Of course Paul's already alienated a good deal of his supporters when the rumors of him being racist came out, and I just don't think that the anti-establishment types that Paul attracts would get behind any of these other candidates.

I can't stand this field of GOP candidates. I'd vote for Gingrich if I didn't think he was suffering from Early-onset Alzheimer's & Dementia. There WAS a time when he was the Democrats worst nightmare, you know.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 03:03 PM

I can't remember who said it but some commentator said that two party democracy is bad enough, we don't need one party democracy.

I halfway hope that Santorum gets the nomination and proceeds to alienate people with his moralizations about sex , womens' rights and contraceptives. If he loses in the fall and I think he would, it might force Republicans to give up some of those particular obsessions. Because we do need a multi-party democracy. We don't need one party captured by someone who has issues with contraception and thinks you should too. Again-religious freedom arguments or individual liberty arguments can work with voters. Puting women back in the social position they enjoyed circa 1959 won't work with voters.

Yes some of that is a caricature of Santorum's positions but not really by all that much. If he wants to fight and die on the hill of going back to pre Vatican II worldview, that's his call. But I think Republicans would be making a big mistake to follow him. No one can see the future of course but there could well be a SC position opening up in the next four years. If Santorum is the nominee, I will virtually guarantee that Obama will be making that SC pick.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
I'd rather have one hundred more years of Obama than give Mitt Romney the satisfaction of being President for even one second...I can't stand that son of a bitch. lol

That speaks volumes, FN, because you're a Conservative Republican. And that's exactly why the Republicans can't win this year. The Conservative base would rather have four more years of Obama than a potential eight years with Mittens.

And Lilo is right on the money. Santorum thinks America needs to revert to a 1950's sitcom morality (a morality that only existed on television, by the way). He's as much a revisionist as Glenn Back, and possibly just as fucking crazy.

Off topic, where has Beck been this election year? He's been oddly silent.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 04:23 PM

Beck has a morning radio show.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Beck has a morning radio show.

Yeah, but he hasn't said or done anything really outrageous (yet) this election year. With a nut like him, I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop lol.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 07:02 PM

You know when Obama made his demand that everybody goes to college in his SOTU address, I thought it was condescending deft-tone pandering to say the least. Reading the Internet, I wasn't the only one. The problem aint kids not getting their degrees, it's that there aren't jobs for them once they get their papers.

Ricky though is just totally daft. He's the real deal.

Santorum: Obama 'A Snob' For Wanting Everyone To Go To College

Quote:
President Obama wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob," Santorum said as the crowd howled with laughter and applause. "There are good, decent men and women who work hard every day and put their skills to the test that aren't taught by some liberal college professor."

Santorum said he knows the real reason Obama wants more Americans on college campuses.

"That's why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image," Santorum said to more applause. "I want to create jobs so people can remake their children into their image, not his."


http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/rick-santorum-obama-wants-to-send-your-kids
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 07:11 PM

RR, let's not exaggerate here. "... aren't jobs for them." is an exaggeration. It's to be expected that an economy can't accomodate everyone who seeks employment even in the best of economic times. An education allows one to step down; lack of one prohibits stepping up.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
An education allows one to step down; lack of one prohibits stepping up.



That's true. A History major will do wonders for your job hunting at McDonalds.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 07:22 PM

I don't know. Actually I think more and more a college education is necessary to get a decent job with a decent wage. I can't imagine my grandkids NOT going to college. My parents never finished high school. High school diploma for my generation was a must (college was a plus). But for today's young people, college has become a necessity, even in, and in spite of the bad job market today.

I would rather encourage college than to not.

smile


TIS
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 07:39 PM

Abit off track here , but the Barefoot Bandit, did alot of things with out getting into college, by self study, of course what he saved on college he has to pay in other matters. But if there is will and determination, many things can be accomplished in life !
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 07:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Frosty
Abit off track here , but the Barefoot Bandit, did alot of things with out getting into college, by self study, of course what he saved on college he has to pay in other matters. But if there is will and determination, many things can be accomplished in life !


Or she falls on you (all 275 pounds). smile
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 07:55 PM

Quote:
Romney tries to guess age of vet: "Did you serve in Korea, or did you make it all the way back to the Second World War?"


http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-tries-to-guess-age-of-veteran
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 02/25/12 08:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Frosty
Abit off track here , but the Barefoot Bandit, did alot of things with out getting into college, by self study, of course what he saved on college he has to pay in other matters. But if there is will and determination, many things can be accomplished in life !


Or she falls on you (all 275 pounds). smile
lol I tried that pool arobics out LMAO. So didn't have to only spend abit of time under water. eek She said she got excited .

Thanks, ronnierocket I knew you were gonna get me on that grin I owe ya one ! Your a good man I don't care what anyone else says about you, you have seen how they what they have said about me lol it is a shame I am so sensitive wink.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 12:47 AM

Flashback to '07, when Mitt Romney faced heavy scrutiny and was forced to backpedal on an unfavorable public position: His pick for favorite book.

Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 02:31 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: olivant
An education allows one to step down; lack of one prohibits stepping up.



That's true. A History major will do wonders for your job hunting at McDonalds.



Yep and Yep. And guess what the unemployment rate is amongst engineering and computer science majors? Slim and None.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 05:53 AM

I'll admit, even as a partial liberal I'm sorta tired of these "GOP are doomed this fall" articles coming out of mostly Democratic-leaning media. I say that only because I fear it's become a mindless meme, repeat an idea enough times and it becomes our reality, short of necessary informed independent thought and verification.

That said, I'll post this lengthy, long article that's a must read.

Quote:
"...many Republicans "are already looking past 2012. If either Romney or Santorum gains the nomination and then falls before Obama, flubbing an election that just months ago seemed eminently winnable, it will unleash a GOP apocalypse on November 7 -- followed by an epic struggle between the regulars and red-hots to refashion the party. And make no mistake: A loss is what the GOP's political class now expects."


http://nymag.com/news/features/gop-primary-heilemann-2012-3/

Scariest detail is a predix by a GOPer that if Mittens is the fall nominee and loses, the person most ripe to take advantage in '16 will be...Sarah Palin. I disagree, but there is some logic to that argument as put forward. (Same with the idea that if Santorum gets the nod and crashes, Christie and Daniels will greatly benefit.)

The real damning piece, the one that everybody else is highlighting, comes from GOP strategist Ed Rollins, who of course managed Reagan's 1984 re-election campaign:

Quote:
"Six months before this thing got going, every Republican I know was saying, 'We're gonna win, we're gonna beat Obama.' Now even those who've endorsed Romney say, "My God, what a fucking mess."'


Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 03:41 PM

Ronnie, your post reminds a bit of the plight of the Democrats in 1984. Reagan's popularity was at such a height that some speculated that it could take decades for the Democrats to recover. He then held bigger leads in the polls than Obama currently enjoys. In fact, his popularity among young voters was cause for deep concern among the Dems.

There was brief optimism twice for Mondale in that race: after the Democratic Convention he pulled even in some polls; and after the first debate with Reagan, in which Mondale was much better prepared than Reagan, he made up a temporary chunk of ground.

But in the weeks before the election, Mondale was trailing in every state, including his own. I remember a Mondale regional volunteer-leader trying to start some enthusiasm by saying that California, Reagan's home state, was the closest state for Mondale (he was down by only 10 pct. points), and no candidate ever lost his home state and won the election.

Today the Republicans' task isn't quite as daunting, but they need a lot of things to happen to defeat Obama.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 07:29 PM

‘The Country Deserves Better’: Maine Gov Unloads On GOP Field

Quote:
In remarks captured by the Portland Press Herald, Maine Republican Gov. Paul LePage unloaded on the GOP 2012 field Saturday, decrying all the candidates as damaged goods after having battered each other. He said the country “deserves better” than the current crop and called for a brokered convention to pick a dark horse candidate to challenge President Obama.

“The candidates in this primary have beat themselves up so badly it would be nice to have a fresh face that we all could say, ‘Okay.’ The country deserves better than having people stand up and keep criticizing each other,” said LePage, according to the Press Herald.

He told reporters at the National Governors Association meeting that the remaining candidates have all “injured themselves and injured the party” to the point where he’d “love to see a good old-fashioned convention and a dark horse” emerge from it.


http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0...eld.php?ref=fpb
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 07:51 PM

I just saw David Gregory interview Santorum. Santorum just doesn't get it. He just can't see the difference between his beliefs and representing a pluralist society.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I just saw David Gregory interview Santorum. Santorum just doesn't get it. He just can't see the difference between his beliefs and representing a pluralist society.

That's about right, Oli.

Off topic, did you see Jan Brewer on "Meet the Press" this morning?

God, talk about cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. That woman just doesn't "get it," either.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:12 PM

Looks like Christie is leaving the VP door slightly open.

Christie says contested GOP convention is possible

Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie isn't ruling out the possibility the topsy-turvy GOP presidential race ends up in a contested party convention this summer if Mitt Romney loses Tuesday's Michigan primary.

Christie, who's endorsed Romney, says he thinks Romney will beat Rick Santorum — and that would lessen chances of a convention fight.

But Christie notes the race has had several different front-runners and probably will keep going up and down.

He tells CBS' "Face the Nation" that "we have to be patient and take a deep breath and let this process work its way out."

The governor says he's not really interested in being a vice presidential candidate, but would listen if Romney asked because "I love my party enough and I love my country enough to listen."
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:17 PM

Santorum says he doesn't believe in separation of church and state

Associated Press, By Lee-Anne Goodman

WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum said Sunday that he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, adding that he was sickened by John F. Kennedy's assurances to Baptist ministers 52 years ago that he would not impose his Catholic faith on them.

"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute," Santorum, a devout Catholic, said in an interview from Michigan on ABC's "This Week."

"The First Amendment means the free exercise of religion and that means bringing people and their faith into the public square."

Santorum's latest foray into the hot-button, faith-based issues that so fire up the party's evangelical base comes as his chief rival for the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney, begins to pull ahead slightly in the state of Michigan, where he was born and raised.

Both Michigan and Arizona hold their primaries Tuesday.

While Romney's been battling Santorum in Michigan for the past two weeks, polls suggest he's got a comfortable lead in Arizona, a winner-take-all contest in terms of delegate allocation. Michigan's delegates, on the other hand, are rewarded based on results.

The former Massachusetts governor got a boost Sunday from Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who endorsed him as "the man that can carry the day" on NBC's "Meet The Press."

"He has that pro-business background, and he has that political history that I think he would serve America the best."

Brewer's endorsement is considered a boon to Romney's insistence that he's the toughest in the Republican field on illegal immigration. Brewer has been a fierce defender of her state's strict immigration policies, and Romney called Arizona a "model" on the issue in the last Republican debate.

Romney is the native son of Michigan, however, where his father served both as governor and a car company executive. A loss there would be regarded as devastating to his campaign.

Nonetheless, both Romney and Santorum have said they opposed the federal government's bailout of the auto industry in the state where millions work for car manufacturers. Romney even penned a New York Times opinion piece four years ago with the headline: "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt."

Republican foes have seized upon that headline in advance of a speech by President Barack Obama on Tuesday to the United Auto Workers conference in Washington to celebrate "the rescue of Detroit."

The autoworkers plastered "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" on 26 American-made vehicles at a Romney event in Detroit on Friday.

Beyond Michigan, however, Santorum's startling stances on social issues like birth control and religion are getting the most attention countrywide.

He's been unapologetic about some of his more controversial remarks, even reiterating Sunday his past remarks that Kennedy's 1960 speech in Houston made "me want to throw up."

"To say that people of faith have no role in the public square? What makes me throw up is someone who is now trying to tell people that you will do what the government says," Santorum said.

"That now we're going to turn around and impose our values from the government on people of faith."

America is all about embracing diversity, he added.

"What we saw in Kennedy's speech was just the opposite, and that's what's so upsetting about it," he said.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Looks like Christie is leaving the VP door slightly open.


He'll never fit through unless the door is wide open.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Looks like Christie is leaving the VP door slightly open.


He'll never fit through unless the door is wide open.

lol

All kidding aside, he's much too slovenly to hold such a high office. It's not politically correct, but sloppy fat guys just don't get elected President.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:32 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
I just saw David Gregory interview Santorum. Santorum just doesn't get it. He just can't see the difference between his beliefs and representing a pluralist society.

That's about right, Oli.

Off topic, did you see Jan Brewer on "Meet the Press" this morning?

God, talk about cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. That woman just doesn't "get it," either.


Yes, I saw and listened to her. It's getting worrisome that so many Republicans refuse to acknowledge our pluralist society. They also refuse to acknowledge that conservatism has many shades. Santorum in particular fails to recognize that there are plenty of Americans who just don't like Catholics and will never vote for a Catholic candidate. Just as Jim Jeffress.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:33 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
All kidding aside, he's much too slovenly to hold such a high office. It's not politically correct, but sloppy fat guys just don't get elected President.


That's a good point in a large field of candidates, but I don't know how much of a factor it would be between VP candidates of the two major parties. If he was running for the top spot, though, I think it's a very valid point.

Using today's standards for choosing our leaders, it's hard to picture Obama being beat. He's young and a nice looking guy. He's athletic, he's extremely articulate, he's smart and savvy and hell, he can even sing!!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:36 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
He's athletic, he's extremely articulate, he's smart and savvy and hell, he can even sing!!

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:38 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Looks like Christie is leaving the VP door slightly open.


He'll never fit through unless the door is wide open.

lol

All kidding aside, he's much too slovenly to hold such a high office. It's not politically correct, but sloppy fat guys just don't get elected President.


I'd be afraid that one day he'd take a bite out of someone.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:38 PM

Weight shouldn't matter but let's face it, Christie is exceptionally large (more like obese). Does anyone know if he has any serious health issues? confused On the surface he seems ok by his sarcastic attitude and schoolyard personality but is he healthy? I mean people were complaining about President Obama's smoking addiction, well wouldn't this be a health factor as well?


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:39 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Santorum in particular fails to recognize that there are plenty of Americans who just don't like Catholics and will never vote for a Catholic candidate.

That's very true, Oli. And you'd think that would be a motivating factor for Catholics to get behind Santorum. But not this Catholic.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:40 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Santorum in particular fails to recognize that there are plenty of Americans who just don't like Catholics and will never vote for a Catholic candidate.

That's very true, Oli. And you'd think that would be a motivating factor for Catholics to get behind Santorum. But not this Catholic.



Nor this one.


I forgot where, but just today one site had the link to JFK's religion/politics speech. He's probably rolling over in his grave.

smile
TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 08:43 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I forgot where, but just today one site had the link to JFK's religion/politics speech. He's probably rolling over in his grave.

That speech is getting a lot of press today because Santorum said it made him "want to throw up." rolleyes

I think the fat lady is starting to warm up as far as he's concerned. I predict that Romnney will win Michigan by at least 8 points.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 09:48 PM

As extremists eventually find, yes, you will have your zealots pledge their eternal loyalty. Hopefully, the zealots are only the minority. Eventually that crazy talk starts to turn people off.

Mr. Santorum has reached that point.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/26/12 09:53 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy


All kidding aside, he's much too slovenly to hold such a high office. It's not politically correct, but sloppy fat guys just don't get elected President.


I would say "William Taft says hi," but I'm more concerned why he's trying to eat your brains. BRRRRRAINS!

On a serious note, I don't think Christie's weight is a problem in itself.

His problem is that damn helicopter gaffe. That'll tie into his weight, that he's a lazy fatass who needs a 'chopter to do something rather mundane.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/27/12 04:13 AM

A blogger on Santorum:

Quote:
He is best seen, it seems to me, as the articulate uber-Catholic veneer for an intellectually bereft evangelicalism. He provides the most reactionary Catholic arguments for their evangelical convictions. He gives their panic at modernity the balm of a 13th century natural law.


http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/27/12 06:09 AM

Not a gaffe, but I think he's practicing the Donald Trump school of humility.

Quote:
"Not as closely as some of the most ardent fans, but I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners."

-- Mitt Romney, quoted by CBS News, when asked whether or not he follows NASCAR.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 02/27/12 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
There are reports speculating that Romney and Paul have entered into some kind of agreement, perhaps a role of some kind for Paul if Romney wins the nomination or presidency.
Apparently with all of the mud slinging it is noticeable that these two seem to go out of their way not to discredit the other.

For instance when Romney painted his opponents as Washington insiders, he expressly excluded Paul from his castigation even though the congressman has amassed much more time as a Washington politician than Santorum or Gingrich. Moreover, Paul's sudden and puzzling labeling of Santorum as a "fake" is peculiar. Romney and Paul appear to be an odd partnership, but politics have created far stranger bedfellows. Moreover, at this time it would appear to be in Romney's benefit to have Paul stick around in the race as his followers may well be more inclined to support Santorum over Romney.

I felt that Gingrich had had some talks with Perry, possibly providing some conditional concessions, to get Perry, who was gung ho about South Carolina, to drop out of the race and endorse Gingrich. It was immediately after Perry's withdrawal that Gingrich experienced his biggest surge, passing Romney in the polling.


Not for Paul himself to be the VP nominee, but his son from Kentucky. He is a tea party favorite and geographically out of the northeast.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/27/12 04:38 PM

Here's a link my sister made me aware of from Michigan that I check out from time to time.

It is a tight race with Romney holding a slight lead. However, in Michigan EVERYONE can vote in primaries, Dems & Reps. 16 percent have already voted by mail which they say favors Mitt. YET, I have heard rumors (and looking at comments in the article) that Dems are encouraged to vote and to vote for Santorum to throw Mitt off. Whether that is true or whether or not it happens, could be interesting.


http://www.mlive.com/


smile

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 02:06 AM

TIS - My problem with that notion is this: If Democrats do vote tomorrow, they'll be voting who they identify with more, most likely for Mittens.* (Like Mittens voted for Tsongas in '92.) Most average folks are not strategically voting like Daily Kos would daydream.

Anyway, Mike Huckabee quipped this yesterday:

Quote:
"I think that there is just such a toxic atmosphere right now, specifically in the Republican party. I would love to say that it's going to be all about ideas and solutions, but unfortunately a lot of it is about just being able to say, 'I'm more angry at the Obama administration than somebody else,'"


Does Hucky kick himself for not running? Or is he glad he's not stuck in that bullshit circus?

*=Taking for granted of course that MI isn't swarming with pro-life Democrats who've never forgiven JFK like Santorum.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 05:02 AM

These damn Michigan polls confuse me.

First Santorum was leading, then we had Mitt-mentum surging (especially after the debate) and taking the lead, now polls are giving mix signals, dead heat apparently. Total toss-up tomorrow night.

I'll give the explaination that everybody is thinking. Tomorrow, voters in the Michigan Republican primary will make a critical, monumental decision at the polls: Bullet to the head or Icepick to the balls?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 05:06 AM

I was reading at least one poll had Santorum ahead (by only one). Also, a robo call went out to Dem voters in MI encouraging them to vote for Santorum because Mitt wanted the auto industry to fail. At end of call it's stated that it's "paid for by the Santorum for President people." Definitely a race worth watching that's for sure.

I really have to think that Romney's stance on the auto industry WILL have an affect. Whether or not enough to lose MI I don't know, but I simply can't believe people in MI won't think twice before voting for him.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0...uaw.php?ref=fpa

smile


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 07:12 AM

TIS - Somebody posted an article yesterday about how the GOP (or more specifically, Mittens) has lost Michigan for the fall because of the primary campaigning and Mittens giving his convoluted, confusing pretzel-evolving stance on the bailouts. (Bias of partisanship, I defy anybody to understand all that gobbledy goop.)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/26/michael-tomasky-on-the-gop-s-michigan-give-away.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29

Then Michigan Governor (and Mittens supporter) Rick Snyder actually stated that he supported the bailouts:

Quote:
"I'm not going to go armchair quarterback it. I think there are alternative scenarios that could have worked also, but the point is, is that it's history, and the important part is it was successful, we're moving along, creating jobs."


A Republican Governor would only say that publicly if he thought it was politically toxic for him to oppose the bailouts (or be perceived as such). If his party's top elected official in that state is afraid of attacking it, I think Mittens is screwed in that state if he wins the nomination.

Of course a note of solace for the GOP: It's a blue state. They're not losing anything.

Then one of my right-wing favorites, David Frum tweeted this today:

Quote:
I joined a political panel today at the Adcraft Club of Detroit, a group unsurprisingly dominated by auto industry marketing people. Time was, when there was nobody more Republican than a Detroit auto executive. If my lunch table is representative—wow, is that no longer true. They may think President Obama is too liberal, but they have zero tolerance for Romney's "managed bankruptcy" approach.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/27/when-you-ve-lost-the-auto-executives.html
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 12:56 PM

Santorum is hitting Romney hard on his opposition to the auto bail out. It should also be noted that Santorum too opposed and criticized the auto bail out.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Santorum is hitting Romney hard on his opposition to the auto bail out. It should also be noted that Santorum too opposed and criticized the auto bail out.

You mean he's a hypocrite? A politician?

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 03:34 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Santorum is hitting Romney hard on his opposition to the auto bail out. It should also be noted that Santorum too opposed and criticized the auto bail out.


That's not possible - that would mean that he is a politician that will lie and misrepresent himself just to get elected. I feel my faith in the election process starting to waiver.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 04:39 PM

Local paper says Mittens has giant lead in AZ--46 to 26; nothing is said about Michigan. But there's the pattern again: no "winner" has gotten more than 50% of the GOP vote. Tells me that whoever gets the nod shouldn't count on all--or even most of--the GOP voters to fall in behind him in November.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 04:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Local paper says Mittens has giant lead in AZ--46 to 26; nothing is said about Michigan. But there's the pattern again: no "winner" has gotten more than 50% of the GOP vote. Tells me that whoever gets the nod shouldn't count on all--or even most of--the GOP voters to fall in behind him in November.

That's why they can't win, TB.

In their minds, they're living the fantasy that 2016 will usher in another Bush type of era. They don't want to take the chance and get behind Romney because they know if he wins they can't run a true conservative until 2020.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Santorum is hitting Romney hard on his opposition to the auto bail out. It should also be noted that Santorum too opposed and criticized the auto bail out.


From what I understand the Democrats are also running ads in Michigan criticizing Romney's opposition of the auto bailouts. No doubt jockeying for Santorum and getting a head start for November.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 10:53 PM

I'm guessing everybody read this, but I'm posting it anyway.

Quote:
Asked by reporters why he's struggling to win over his party's right wing in the state where he was born and raised, Romney said it's because he's not willing to say "outrageous things" like his opponents.

"It's very easy to excite the base with incendiary comments. We've seen throughout the campaign that if you're willing to say really outrageous things that are really accusative and attacking of President Obama, you're going to jump up in the polls," Romney said. Fielding questions from the national traveling press corps for the first time in nearly three weeks, he said: "I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am what I am."


You'll be surprised, but I have mixed emotions. He's right about his party base being too much foam-in-mouth rabid. Nobody will disagree with him.

On the other hand...he pretty much indirectly called his own party's base stupid. I won't disagree with him on that diagnosis either, but I'm not the one desperately trying to win over their votes. Especially on the day of a primary! Usually when you call voters fools before they cast their ballots, they tend to get pissed off. (Just ask Jimmy Carter.) Rush Limbaugh certainly was pissed about that comment today. Yes he's a clown, but that clown has fans. Who vote.

But really gets me, really stuck in my teeth is him whining with "I am what I am." The message overall is find, but the wrong messenger to play the righteous credible candidate. From pro-choice to pro-life (coincidentally timed with a presidential campaign), from greatest state policy achievement RomneyCare to disowning it to reowning it somewhat, from moderate GOP Governor of a blue state to wannabe Reagan/Dubya 2.0.

It's one thing to bullshit "evolve" on some issues out of political convenience, it's another when you change on so much that the new you may have the same name and looks as the "old" Mittens, that's where the similarities end.

You know what ironically this thick irony reminds me of? When back in the day, Newt Gingrinch lead the morality crusade against Bill Clinton's adultery.

The message isn't wrong, but it's the messenger.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/28/12 11:59 PM

One thing I've learned about Romney is that he is not as politically smart as I thought. He constantly is putting his foot in his mouth. I pictured him to be much smoother a politician.

Anyway, I read turnout thus far in MI is low and a few reports that Dems are showing up at the polls. Hopefully my Michigander friend, Lilo will pop in to update us. smile

TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 12:29 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
One thing I've learned about Romney is that he is not as politically smart as I thought. He constantly is putting his foot in his mouth. I pictured him to be much smoother a politician.

Anyway, I read turnout thus far in MI is low and a few reports that Dems are showing up at the polls. Hopefully my Michigander friend, Lilo will pop in to update us. smile

TIS

You rang??? smile

I saw those reports too TIS, that turnout was light. On my morning commute I drive past a library that is the local voting precinct. Usually for primaries in election year there's a lot of traffic. This time there wasn't. Of course I live in a predominantly Democratic leaning area. So maybe that doesn't mean too much.

I would love to see Santorum win the Republican nomination so I hope he wins Michigan. I was just surfing "Hardball" and Joe Klein says he thinks Santorum will do better among Lincoln Park and downriver voters which is , if you're familiar with the area, a polite way of saying Santorum will do better among poorer, less educated people. rolleyes We'll see. Polls close soon.

As far as Democrats crossing over, Santorum asked for it. Some are doing it.

Quote:
It appears some Democrats are indeed joining Republicans at the polls Tuesday in Michigan to weigh in on the GOP's race for the presidential nomination.

Interviews Tuesday in Metro Detroit showed evidence of Democrats crossing over and casting votes for Republican candidates.

Democrats Rod and Amy Farrier voted at the Ann Arbor Township Hall on Tuesday afternoon — and they weren't in agreement. The wife backed Mitt Romney, while the husband said he voted for Ron Paul.

"I can't stomach those other guys," Rod Farrier said. "Ron Paul's the only one on there with any integrity."

Amy Farrier said she voted for Romney to help the Michigan native stave off an upset by former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, a vocal social conservative.

"It would scare me if he gets in (the White House)," Amy Farrier said.

Her husband added: "I think he'd get rid of birth control. He wants to have a theocracy."

But Ben Sims, a Ferndale resident and Democrat, crossed over and voted for Santorum to upset Romney's showing in Michigan, and ultimately help President Barack Obama get re-elected.
"I just don't like Mitt," said Sims, 76. "I didn't vote for his daddy."
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 01:22 AM

Thanks Lilo. I know of Lincoln Park but usually think of Detroit area in terms of Wayne County (it's been a long time). confused I go to MI-Live to see any local updates when I can and have too read comments from people and how they will vote.

I did call MI today to wish my brother brother a Happy Birthday. As of recent years, we are so far apart politically that we can actually argue if we get going, so I refrained from getting on that topic. lol

Lilo, do you agree that Romney's comments about letting the auto industry fail is a HUGE minus for him? Grand Rapids has many auto plants that have closed and I can only imagine how Detroit must feel not to mention the entire state. Agree???


TIS
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 01:40 AM

CNN has it practically a dead heat with Santorum holding less than a pct. point lead with only 7 % of vote counted. May be a long night.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 02:02 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
CNN has it practically a dead heat with Santorum holding less than a pct. point lead with only 7 % of vote counted. May be a long night.


I know. 17 per cent in and still neck & neck with Santorum ahead by only 200 & some votes. Long way to go but if it remains this tight it will be an all nighter. smile


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 02:04 AM

John McCain: Close curtain on GOP ‘Greek tragedy’

Quote:
"This is like watching a Greek tragedy. It’s the negative campaigning and the increasingly personal attacks ... it should have stopped long ago. Any utility from the debates has been exhausted, and now it’s just exchanging cheap shots and personal shots followed by super PAC attacks."


Quote:
McCain said he believes Romney will win his own home state as well as Arizona, but he disagreed with conventional wisdom that the sparring will toughen the eventual nominee as it seemed to when Obama fought off a tough challenge from Hillary Clinton in 2008.

“That was nothing compared to this. The worst you got then was, ‘What are you going to do if you get that phone call at 3 in morning?’ ” McCain said, referring to Clinton’s famous attack ad against Obama. “Compare that to ‘Massachusetts liberal’ and “Romneycare’... These people are not respectful.”


http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1406838
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 03:10 AM

Less than half of voters in the Republican primary said they strongly favored their own candidate, while 52% had reservations or disliked the other candidate more, according to the exit poll data.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/02/everythings-coming-up-romney-115885.html

EDIT - Santorum lost the Catholic vote, by several points. Pathetic.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 03:14 AM

MSNBC is projecting Mitt winner in Michigan Primary. Close, but he did it.

Yet Santorum sounds like he's giving a victory speech. confused

smile


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 03:25 AM

Congrats Mitt, you just defeated Rick Santorum. Long after you defeated Newt Gingrinch. I'm sure he's dancing an Irish jig, like if Ric Flair beat up perennial jobber Iron Mike Sharpe at a PPV.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 03:51 AM

Okay, Romney has about twice as many deleagtes now as Santorum. Coming up is super Tuesday (except in Texas) which could make things alot closer, but probably not.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 04:03 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Okay, Romney has about twice as many deleagtes now as Santorum. Coming up is super Tuesday (except in Texas) which could make things alot closer, but probably not.


The narrative will be that Mittens got his mojo back, and the GOP will fall in line. Overspending your opponent 2-1 in your "home" state will do wonders for your libido.

I've got a new slogan for him: "Vote for Me so you don't have to vote for Him."

EDIT - Found this online.

Quote:
the current gap is only 3 points, with close to 90 percent of the vote now in. Romney staggers on, therefore, without resolving any of his fundamental weaknesses. What Santorum represents - the hard edge of Christianism - remains a solid bloc that the Mormon Romney may be able to overcome by a long, hard slog in the primary, but will need to go very, very negative in the fall to bring out against Obama.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 04:28 AM

New bumper sticker idea?

Quote:
"Mitt Romney: Hey, it Could Be Worse."
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 04:40 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
New bumper sticker idea?

Quote:
"Mitt Romney: Hey, it Could Be Worse."


or

Romney, when they're out of Reagan.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 07:06 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant


Romney, when they're out of Reagan.


Instead of that lame "victory" speech tonight, Mittens should've come out and given a speech like this.



Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 09:43 AM

Santorum reaches out to women voters

Quote:
Santorum mentioned his 93-year-old mother, something he hasn't in previous speeches, and he told the audience in what seemed to be a pitch to female voters who might feel put off by some of his previous comments about women in the workplace, that his mother made more money than his father.
"She was someone who did get a job in the 1930s and was a nurse, and worked full time. She continued to work through my childhood years," Santorum said to the crowd that was heavy on families with young children. "She balanced time working different schedules. A professional who made more money than her husband."
Santorum's mother was a nurse and his father was a psychologist for the Veteran's Administration.
The former Pennsylvania senator also touted his wife's work experience, saying she was a "professional" as well, and thanked his daughter, Elizabeth, who has been on the campaign trail with him since the early days in Iowa.
"[Karen] worked as a nurse, but after we got married, she decided to walk away, yet didn't quit working. She was a mother, and also wrote two books," Santorum said, in what also seemed to be an appeal to female voters.
He spent most of his speech repeating the themes he does on the stump, including his mention of the Declaration of Independence, but this evening there was a twist on that, too.
"The men and women who signed that declaration wrote the final phrase, 'We pledge to each other our lives, our fortune, and our sacred honor," Santorum said.
There were no women who signed the Declaration of Independence...
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 07:50 PM


Quote:
"I gotta press the button. That will be my heavy lift in terms of manufacturing."

-- Mitt Romney, quoted by the Washington Post, while touring a family-owned fence-post maker in Ohio.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/elec...q3RiR_blog.html
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 08:12 PM

Shepard Smith on Fox just commented that Romney was wearing mom jeans during a speech.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Shepard Smith on Fox just commented that Romney was wearing mom jeans during a speech.

He's pandering to the crossdresser vote.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 08:32 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Shepard Smith on Fox just commented that Romney was wearing mom jeans during a speech.

He's pandering to the crossdresser vote.


I wonder if those jeans had a front zipper.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 09:04 PM

Will ya look at this confused We are fricked ! eek What is happening to the United States of America ??? crazy
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 10:35 PM

Quote:
Amid better economic news, a declining unemployment rate, and an ongoing -- and combative -- Republican primary campaign, voter confidence in President Obama now stands at a nearly one-year high.


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...-obama-improves
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 10:51 PM

Quote:
In response to a question about gun control today, Mitt Romney claimed he owns guns himself.

Said Romney: "I believe in the second amendment, I'll protect the second amendment, I have guns myself. Not going to tell you where they are. Don't have them on myself either, alright."

However, ABC News reports that in 2007, "after Romney claimed that he did have guns he later retracted his statement, saying that he himself does not have guns but his sons do."


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/romney-says-he-owns-a-gun-but-does-he/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 02/29/12 11:30 PM

I know liberals have been mocking Mittens as an entitled douchebag, but he's officialy at the very least just whiney.

One of Mittens' surrogates is demanding that Santorum "should give back" some of his delegates because Democrats voted for him in yesterday's primary. How petty, considering they won the primary.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/29...html?1330552085

I've got an idea, a trade that'll make everybody happy: Santorum give up his Democratic-influenced delegates, Mittens gives up delegates from the upcoming Massachussetts primary because he voted for Paul Tsongas in that state's '92 Democratic primary.



EDIT - It's official, Romney won the MI primary by 3 points, but he and Santorum will win the same # of MI delegates: 15 a pop.

What's that "p" word for victory but not really? tongue
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/01/12 10:39 PM

Quote:
"Look, I have worn a garbage bag for rain gear myself," - Mitt Romney, who mocked a group of NASCAR fans for wearing cheap plastic ponchos on Sunday.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/elec...WGfkR_blog.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/02/12 04:35 AM

Cheap shot?

Quote:
"Every time I hear Mr. Romney talk about this, I think his daddy must be turning over in his grave."


-- Bill Clinton, quoted by NBC News, condemning Mitt Romney for opposing the auto bailout.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...er-in-his-grave
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/02/12 02:55 PM

President Obama at a Democratic fundraiser:

Quote:
"I recommend you watch the recent [GOP] debates. I'm thinking about just running those as advertisements. Without commentary; here you go."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/02/12 06:05 PM

From that Romney/birth control article I posted in that appropriate thread, there's a passage that I'm quoting here, because I absolutely agree with this free advice:

Quote:
he’d asked me about the advice I’d give Romney, I’d have said: Take a stand. Choose something and take a stand that surprises people. Stand up to your base on one thing. Show that you have a spine. Because right now you are a jellyfish. People laugh at you. Your father told people where to get off constantly. For whatever psychological reason, you decided to be his opposite. Your choice. But if this race goes the way it looks as if it’s going to go, you will not only lose, but you will go down in history as a punch line. Your name will become a verb, and not a flattering one.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/02/12 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Your name will become a verb, and not a flattering one.

"That guy got Romneyed!" whistle
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/03/12 03:12 PM

Krugman is not a particularly engaging/adept public speaker. But his writing shows there's a lot more going on than is readily apparent. He gets after people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/02/opinio...nyt&emc=rss

Quote:
Four Fiscal Phonies
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Mitt Romney is very concerned about budget deficits. Or at least that’s what he says; he likes to warn that President Obama’s deficits are leading us toward a “Greece-style collapse.”

So why is Mr. Romney offering a budget proposal that would lead to much larger debt and deficits than the corresponding proposal from the Obama administration?

Of course, Mr. Romney isn’t alone in his hypocrisy. In fact, all four significant Republican presidential candidates still standing are fiscal phonies. They issue apocalyptic warnings about the dangers of government debt and, in the name of deficit reduction, demand savage cuts in programs that protect the middle class and the poor. But then they propose squandering all the money thereby saved — and much, much more — on tax cuts for the rich.

And nobody should be surprised. It has been obvious all along, to anyone paying attention, that the politicians shouting loudest about deficits are actually using deficit hysteria as a cover story for their real agenda, which is top-down class warfare. To put it in Romneyesque terms, it’s all about finding an excuse to slash programs that help people who like to watch Nascar events, even while lavishing tax cuts on people who like to own Nascar teams.

O.K., let’s talk about the numbers....

.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/03/12 05:15 PM

The little story that just won't die.

America's Enduring Seamus Obsession

Quote:
Remember the story of Seamus the dog? How could you forget? Here's the latest salvo: a member of the group Dogs Against Romney strapped a kennel to the roof of his car with a stuffed canine and a camera inside, then went out on the highway to provide a sort of SeamusCam -- the view of what the Romney family dog would have seen on his infamous journey to Canada atop a Chevy station wagon. It's about as uncomfortable-looking as you'd expect.


Quote:
But how has it become so memorable? In comparison to other micro-controversies that were supposedly revealing of candidates' character flaws -- from Al Gore's supposed invention of the Internet to George W. Bush's many malapropisms to John Kerry's windsurfing --Seamus' tale has had an unusually long life, even in dog years.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...session/253727/

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/04/12 02:48 AM

Well, Romney wins another one. I can't wait for next week's primaries. Of course, Texas won't vote until May. It could be over by then.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/04/12 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Well, Romney wins another one. I can't wait for next week's primaries. Of course, Texas won't vote until May. It could be over by then.

It's beginning to look like it could all be over but the shouting by Wednesday morning. That's the impression I got from most of today's Sunday morning political shows.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/04/12 11:33 PM

Just heard Chris Wallace interviewing Santorum about his characterization of the President as a snob for wanting everyone to go to college. Wallce told Santorum that the President had never said that and he played the clip from the President's statement. So, Santorum mumbled and stumbled his way through a retractionof sorts of his statement about the President.

The more and more I see of Santorum, the more I think he is the kid who got beat up regularly in high school. I'm sorry he's a paisan.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 03/04/12 11:41 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
The more and more I see of Santorum, the more I think he is the kid who got beat up regularly in high school. I'm sorry he's a paisan.


First, the sheriff with the agenda, and now Santorum. You're apologizing for a lot of Italians today. smile
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/05/12 12:21 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: olivant
The more and more I see of Santorum, the more I think he is the kid who got beat up regularly in high school. I'm sorry he's a paisan.


First, the sheriff with the agenda, and now Santorum. You're apologizing for a lot of Italians today. smile


Too many cafoni in the ranks.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/05/12 06:32 PM

LOL Mitt's reference to Davy Crockett while in Tennessee, speaking the words to the song. lol He sounds so plastic and insincere to me. LOL I wonder how many in the audience even knew what he was talking about?

TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/05/12 06:43 PM

Ashcroft just endorsed Mitt. I have a feeling tomorrow will be a big day for him. If he wins Ohio, and Tennessee is even close, I think it's all but over. Not that any of his knuckleheaded adversaries will drop out, though lol.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/05/12 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Ashcroft just endorsed Mitt. I have a feeling tomorrow will be a big day for him. If he wins Ohio, and Tennessee is even close, I think it's all but over. Not that any of his knuckleheaded adversaries will drop out, though lol.


Fox is reporting that polls show him way ahead in most states.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/05/12 11:36 PM

TIS - It's dorky and funny in an akward way, but I wouldn't call it a gaffe. We've set the standards high after Obama met Al Green. tongue

THIS is what I call a Romney Gaffe today, and he's innocent for once. His wife Anne Romney said this in her best unintended Teresa Heinz Kerry impersonation:

Quote:
"We can be poor in spirit, and I don't even consider myself wealthy, which is an interesting thing. It can be here today and gone tomorrow."


According to their released tax returns, the Romneys made $20.9 million last year and are estimated to be worth nearly $250 million. She's rich alright. In Tone Deafness.

What's up with that family whenever they talk about money? Officially it's not just ole Willard who has this problem. I know both candidates this fall will be framed as the country club elitist, but the Romneys are feverishly waving their membership cards. Not because they're clueless, they just don't give a shit because they're not going to be penalized for such antics.

They're the Lindsey Lohan of politics.

~I was going to say Paris Hilton, but that's Newt.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/05/12 11:59 PM

Well I know that's the endorsement I was waiting for... rolleyes
Romney gets endorsement
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/06/12 03:14 AM

I was thinking about this recently, but I have decided that once I finish up my semester I am going to volunteer on Obama's campaign (wkns idk yet) to make some calls to a few crazy gun-toting hillbillies (no offense to anybody) in battleground states and convince them to vote for Obama, or do anything else to help with the cause. I want to make sure I do my part and ensure his reelection goes through, the level of stupidity/ridiculousness in terms of actual viable policy solutions that are coming from the Republican party makes me even more afraid if one of them gets elected.

Plus you can never be too sure with the GOP, they always run a mean efficient/effective campaign and you cant count them out.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/06/12 06:08 AM

Barbara Bush No Fan of the Presidential Campaign

Quote:
Former first lady Barbara Bush doesn't like the way the 2012 GOP presidential campaign has been going, the Dallas Morning News reports.

Said Mrs. Bush: "I think it's been the worst campaign I've ever seen in my life. I hate that people think compromise is a dirty word. It's not a dirty word."

She added: "I think the rest of the world is looking at us these days and saying, 'What are you doing?'"


http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community...ence-at-smu.ece
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 03/06/12 08:08 PM

Wall Street Journal yesterday wrote that support for Romney is firming up with "likely" GOP voters, including self-described nservatives. He's got 38% vs. 32% for Santorum. Article also says many have been turned off by the ugliness of the campaign.

What this tells me is that 62% of likely GOP voters don't want Romney, and that he can't count on them falling in behind him if and when he gets the nomination.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 12:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull

What this tells me is that 62% of likely GOP voters don't want Romney, and that he can't count on them falling in behind him if and when he gets the nomination.


Tonight, I'm intrigued by seeing how he does with blue collar/working class whites in Ohio and Evangelicals everywhere. He's lost the Evangelical vote in every primary so far.

EDIT - Newt won Georgia and Mittens won Virginia, though the latter is not very impressive considering both Newt and Santorum failed to make the VA ballot. (Ever bragged about beating up a kid with asthma? Of course not.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 12:41 AM

How the Chinese view the GOP Primaries

Quote:
but they find the American love-hate relationship with Romney’s wealth to be confusing. “At least he got his fortune through proper means. Not much to explain. Can we say as much about Chinese leaders?” a commentator asked. As Roaring Shout put it, “Seems the way they do it is: get rich first, then become president. For us, the order is become a leader first, then….”


Quote:
Some things have become clear: Santorum has a powerfully repellent effect on the Chinese non-electorate. Commentator Li Yi, like others, has tried to make sense of the faith-based campaign: “Are you sure that he’s going for the presidency, not for organizing a cult?” Perhaps the biggest surprise is that Ron Paul has his fans in China, where he’s better known by the genuinely honorific nickname Grandpa Paul. “Compared with Romney’s sugar-sweet talk, this grandfather is a lot more direct and candid,” a commentator wrote Tuesday.


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/ev...l#ixzz1oO3nA4l8
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 01:41 AM



Mittens lost the evangelical vote in Ohio by double digits, but wins them in Virginia. Mittens also lost the Independent vote in both primaries. Paul is losing by 20 in VA (better performance than I expected honestly), but he's edged out Mittens for the under-$50,000 income vote.

At least Mittens won the abortion vote.

Quote:
In Ohio, the race was close among all women: 37 - 40 for Santorum. But among unmarried women? Santorum lost big: 30 - 44 percent.


And as someone from Tennessee, I can partly confirm this exit poll:

Quote:
More than six in 10 primary voters in Ohio, Tennessee and Georgia say it’s important to share a candidate’s religious beliefs, according to preliminary exit polling. Sharing religious values peaks in Tennessee, where nearly three-quarters say so.


Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 02:08 AM

Obama will win because all the minorities, homosexuals, feminazis, and intellectual elites will be out in full force in November.

I'm serious. I see it with my own two eyes in Florida, North Carolina and Virginia.

These southern states have been overwhelmed by minorities and northerners(Italians and Jews from NY area who are mostly leftist Democrats). Especially Florida.

And if Florida is lost, so is the election.

This is why I'm sure Obama will win.

At the same time, I don't see how the Democrats can ever run with a white male candidate again. They're now committed to running anybody but a white male from now on.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 02:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Obama will win because all the minorities, homosexuals, feminazis, and intellectual elites will be out in full force in November.


Yeah those Feminazi "sluts" sure love to stuff the ballot box inbetween sex taped romps.

As for gay voters, McCain actually apparently won the highest % of self-described gay voters ever for a GOP candidate. I like to believe, with no empirical evidence backing me up, that if Equal Civil Rights becomes the status quo and no longer an arena of issues, the vote will split roughly between the parties. This isn't tribalism like with African-American or Evangelical voters.

And intellectual elites? I'm reminded of Pauline Kael's apocryphal complaint that she didn't understand how Nixon won re-election because everybody she knew voted McGovern.

Or my favorite: During either '52 or '56 (can't remember which year) at a campaign stop, a woman yelled out to Adlai Stevenson: "Don't worry. All the smart people will vote for you!" He retorted: "I can't win just with them!" lol

I think you get my point I'm driving at with the "intellectual elite" voting bloc.

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
These southern states have been overwhelmed by minorities and northerners(Italians and Jews from NY area who are mostly leftist Democrats). Especially Florida.

And if Florida is lost, so is the election.


Florida has been a Yankee colony since...God knows when. That's not news. (I'm ashamed to say that there are probably more Jets fans in South Florida than Dolphin fans.) But save for Virginia and North Carolina, the rest of the South is still whistlin' Dixie. (And even then, describing VA and SC as lost in your viewpoint is a big taffy stretch.)

And I wouldn't necessarily call Florida a dealbreaker. Not as many Electoral Votes, but if I'm Republican, I would consider Ohio to be much more important for morale because of this one fact: No GOP President has been ever elected without winning Ohio. Until somebody inevitably does.

Come to think of it, I'm willing to bet good money that Mittens won't win Massachusetts this fall. When was the last President elected who failed to win his home state? Until somebody inevitably does.

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


At the same time, I don't see how the Democrats can ever run with a white male candidate again. They're now committed to running anybody but a white male from now on.


I don't want to type bad words, so I'll instead say this: Four years out, Andrew Cuomo rather looks promising as a '16 national candidate. Not saying he will, but he's been mentioned more than once.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 02:56 AM

I don't like the guy, but I'll give Santorum this: He's fighting to the razor margins with Mittens in Ohio, despite being outspent 5-1 by him.

EDIT - Turnout estimates in GA, MA, OK and VA all lower than in '08. Only in VT is turnout expected to be up from '08. (27% spike in Evangelical vote in VT compared to '08.)

Voter turnout in Virginia? 5.5%. uhwhat

I'm pretty sure we won't get these caucuses again in the GOP primaries in future elections. At least not this scheduled or formulated or booked.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 05:00 AM

Trivial Pursuit fodder: Only time a candidate has won the general election despite losing his home state was Polk in 1844. (Last general election too when "election day" was held on different dates in different states.)

EDIT - Fun Fact: Romney will win 2/3rds of the OH delegates despite winning the primary by a razor-thin margin because...something.

EDIT 2 - Wilson lost New Jersey in his 1916 re-election.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 06:28 AM

ronnierocket,

First of all, Southeast Florida(not entire state) was always Yankee country. Now the northerners and minorities are taking over the entire state. That's why Obama won Florida by three points.

I hope you understand that Santorum is a Catholic and an Italian which will make it impossible for him to be on top of the GOP ticket. Everyone should know that by now.

Cuomo in 2016? I don't think an Italian can be on top of any parties' ticket? Do you? This country will never have an Italian President. And the Democrats are not going to put any white male on top for decades. They are the party of the minorities and big feminism.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 06:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
ronnierocket,

First of all, Southeast Florida(not entire state) was always Yankee country. Now the northerners and minorities are taking over the entire state. That's why Obama won Florida by three points.


I would blame that more on scared old people. (Are there any other kind?)

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


I hope you understand that Santorum is a Catholic and an Italian which will make it impossible for him to be on top of the GOP ticket. Everyone should know that by now.


The reason he won't be on top of that ticket isn't because he's Catholic, it's the other C: He's Cuckoo.

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Cuomo in 2016? I don't think an Italian can be on top of any parties' ticket? Do you? This country will never have an Italian President. And the Democrats are not going to put any white male on top for decades.


Like how we'll never have a black President or a Catholic President or never another Southern President or movie star as President? Have faith.

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


They are the party of the minorities and big feminism.


If you say so Rush. tongue
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 10:45 AM

What's the problem of Americans with "elite" politicians?
If you want someone to run a company or a university, you're also looking for someone who's among the best. But when it comess to the country, everybody seems to scream if the candidate had a good college education.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 10:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Danito
What's the problem of Americans with "elite" politicians?
If you want someone to run a company or a university, you're also looking for someone who's among the best. But when it comess to the country, everybody seems to scream if the candidate had a good college education.

I can't say how particularly American it is not having lived elsewhere but it's a silly but oft effective little tactic. Taking the long view it goes all the way back to Andrew Jackson. In modern times it can be traced back to people like Nixon, Agnew and George Wallace. There is a mild belief, probably shared by many Americans regardless of political affiliation that college is not the only or even always the best way of obtaining useful knowledge. College grads, after all do a lot of stupid things.

Politicians often attempt to appeal to this and pander to darker impulses of resentment and ideas about "real masculinity" and so on by pretending that they stand with the "real Americans" against those (presumably effete) "egghead liberals" or "college grads that think they're so smart". Ironically, without fail, the people that talk like this are college grads and often like Santorum grad school or professional school grads as well. Heck, both movie versions of "Straw Dogs" touched on this trope.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 03:27 PM

Well Super Tuesday was quite interesting no? For a while there it actually seemed that Santorum might win Ohio. All their speeches were too long but Newt sounded like he's in it for the win. lol And the clown show continues.




TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Well Super Tuesday was quite interesting no? For a while there it actually seemed that Santorum might win Ohio. All their speeches were too long but Newt sounded like he's in it for the win. lol And the clown show continues.

Mitt will limp to the finish line. He'll pander by picking a neocon running mate. Obama will win over thirty states in November.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Obama will win over thirty states in November.


Thanks to gays, feninazis and the intellectual elite.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Obama will win over thirty states in November.


Thanks to gays, feninazis and the intellectual elite.


For sure. We are the champions.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 04:57 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Well Super Tuesday was quite interesting no? For a while there it actually seemed that Santorum might win Ohio. All their speeches were too long but Newt sounded like he's in it for the win. lol And the clown show continues.

TIS


Since it hasn't stopped being funny (or revelant), I'll describe last night as Mittens once again winning by default. I'll repeat what I posted earlier: he outspent Santorum 5-1 in Ohio, and barely beat him by a nose hair. He's got the momentum of a zombie from THE WALKING DEAD.

I mean he had trouble beating Rick Santorum. This was a guy who lost his Senate re-election by what, 17 points? Until Iowa*, he was never considered a serious contender and recently you can understand to a degree why. He's not a great politician or telegenic candidate on the stump to say the least, he's too far right-wing for even several right-wingers. (He picked a fight with JFK's corpse and lost.) By all media accounts, Mittens won his debate against him.

He had the organization of a soccer mom's mini-van with a budget that could be stacked neatly inside a shoe box. (They failed to get him on the ballot in Virginia and even if he had "won" Ohio, he still would've lost most of the delegates.) All his momentum was based off the conservative grassroots, grasping at any would-be hero against Mittens.

Long story short, Mittens should've buried him with superior organization, more money, and well being the less-psycho candidate compared to Santorum. Yet he lost the Independent vote to the psycho. He's got everything going for him except himself. It's really an epic big budget turd polishing operation.

This isn't Obama beating Hillary. More like imagine if Obama had trouble defeating Dennis Kucinich.

*=He was screwed out of that win by a Iowa GOP beholden to Mittens. Even when he officially got his "win," nobody cared anymore.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 05:05 PM

This isn't Obama beating Hillary. More like imagine if Obama had trouble defeating Dennis Kucinich.



Ha ha ha, good comparison. Btw, Kujcinich lost to Kaptor I hear?? I don't know anything about Kaptor, but was that expected I wonder? confused

Oh, and btw, I don't remember exact figures BUT Mitt spent "millions" more (of course) and STILL it was neck & neck.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
This isn't Obama beating Hillary. More like imagine if Obama had trouble defeating Dennis Kucinich.



Ha ha ha, good comparison. Btw, Kujcinich lost to Kaptor I hear?? I don't know anything about Kaptor, but was that expected I wonder? confused

Oh, and btw, I don't remember exact figures BUT Mitt spent "millions" more (of course) and STILL it was neck & neck.


TIS


Kucinich did lose yesterday, and good riddance to him.

Interesting: Virginia where he ran on the ballot only against Ron Paul, Mittens failed to crack 60%. Strange to dismiss a double-digit win, but he found a way.

Anyway I'm reminded of 1960 when JFK had to win the West Virginia primary and beat Hubert Humphrey to prove to his party's bosses that despite his drawbacks (Catholic, Yankee, Irish-American, too young, inexperienced), he could convincingly win with blue-collar voters. Specifically those in Dixieland.

Fox News personality Rich Lowry wrote this today:

Romney: The Candidate of 'Eh'

Quote:
Rarely has a candidate seemed so inevitable and so weak at the same time.


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/03/07/romney-candidate-eh/
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 05:31 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Rarely has a candidate seemed so inevitable and so weak at the same time.

Perfectly put.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 05:37 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Rarely has a candidate seemed so inevitable and so weak at the same time.

Perfectly put.



All the time, all the ads,not to mention money...all the speculation with nearly everyone knowing how this race would end up; The political need to jump thru all the hoops, play all the games right down to the wire AND it ends up (likely) just as everyone suspected it would,a Romney win. A necessary torture I guess. lol


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 08:28 PM

Before the primetime drama of Super Tuesday, Fox News yesterday quietly reported a poll on Latino voters.

According to them, Obama isn't just poised to retain his '08 Latino voting bloc, but is running 50/50 with Romney among the Latino McCain voters.

~Why? Three reasons: Arizona, Arizona, Arizona.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 08:28 PM

There is a kind of relentless Darwinism in the way these mediocrities have been throwing dirt on each other because they have nothing meaningful to say--making themselves and each other look foolish and turning off voters who expect better of presidential candidates. Whoever gets the nomination will lose in November. Rough justice: they were tried and found wanting. That's the good news.

The bad news: Four more years of Obama.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/07/12 11:40 PM

Quote:
All the time, all the ads,not to mention money...


If you are going to bring up money, bring up Barack Hussein Obama and the huge sums of money(and media support) he had in 2008 and will have again in 2012. If Romney is disappointing you, how can you not be disappointed with Obama for not winning more states and no less than 75% of the popular vote?
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 12:10 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Before the primetime drama of Super Tuesday, Fox News yesterday quietly reported a poll on Latino voters.

According to them, Obama isn't just poised to retain his '08 Latino voting bloc, but is running 50/50 with Romney among the Latino McCain voters.

~Why? Three reasons: Arizona, Arizona, Arizona.


I have a feeling if things go as they have been going the election in nov is going to be a very lopsided one
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Quote:
All the time, all the ads,not to mention money...


If you are going to bring up money, bring up Barack Hussein Obama and the huge sums of money(and media support) he had in 2008 and will have again in 2012. If Romney is disappointing you, how can you not be disappointed with Obama for not winning more states and no less than 75% of the popular vote?


Calm down! I was talking about THIS primary season in which tons of money was spent. But yea, I don't like any of the Republican field and I am not disappointed in contest in the least. It's rather enjoyable. wink


Barack HUSSEIN Obama 2012! tongue


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


If you are going to bring up money, bring up Barack Hussein Obama and the huge sums of money(and media support) he had in 2008 and will have again in 2012. If Romney is disappointing you, how can you not be disappointed with Obama for not winning more states and no less than 75% of the popular vote?


Because no President has ever won 75% of the popular vote. Or even come close to that, even in our bi-polar political system rigged in the favor of the two major parties.

Remember Ronald Reagan? Biggest electoral triumph in American history. What was his popular vote % in 1984? 58.8%. Yes the election when Mondale only won his home state, and only by 6,000 votes.

FDR, arguably the greatest President (up there w/ Washington and Lincoln) and definately the best of his century, what was his popular vote % in the 4 elections he won?

57.4%
60.8%
54.7%
53.4%

Yes only 57% in the election when Lucifer could've beaten Hoover in the depths of the Great Depression. FDR's polling was lame like his legs. (Too soon?)

Why has no President come close to 75%? Blame the minorities, gays, and Feminazis.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 03:08 AM

Newt's spokesman says Newt will quit if he loses Alabama and Mississippi. (Will he keep his word?)

Also a stunning fact:

Quote:
After twenty-three contests, Romney has secured 3,219,648 votes out of 8,094,438 cast. His share of the total vote is 39.8 per cent.


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/ne...l#ixzz1oSAb7oID
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 06:03 AM

Ronnie,

If money should translate to dominant victories for Romney, which is what you seem to be implying, then we should expect much more from Obama because he has unprecedented money and media support.

Try to have one set of standards.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 12:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Ronnie,

If money should translate to dominant victories for Romney


Considering his less than stellar competition and all his advantages, I can't blame anybody for questionting his performances. The only primary where I wouldn't would be Florida.

EDIT - and RRA doesn't have standards. I'm not held back by something as silly as music songs.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 12:26 PM

From another message board, I found this data nugget:

Quote:
If you look at Romney's blow-outs last night, it was Massachusetts - where it was an open primary, a state with just over 11% registered GOP... the exit polls suggested only 45% of those voting were Republicans.

Some interesting numbers from MA actually...
total GOP registered voters: 466431
Total voters in GOP primary: 361392
Total GOP voters in GOP primary: 209894
GOP turnout in MA GOP primary: 45.000001%
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 12:47 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Before the primetime drama of Super Tuesday, Fox News yesterday quietly reported a poll on Latino voters.

According to them, Obama isn't just poised to retain his '08 Latino voting bloc, but is running 50/50 with Romney among the Latino McCain voters.

~Why? Three reasons: Arizona, Arizona, Arizona.


And I was just going to post that I saw a segment on the Today show that mentioned a poll showing that a ridiculously small percentage of Latinos would vote for Romney.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 03:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
There is a kind of relentless Darwinism in the way these mediocrities have been throwing dirt on each other because they have nothing meaningful to say--making themselves and each other look foolish and turning off voters who expect better of presidential candidates. Whoever gets the nomination will lose in November. Rough justice: they were tried and found wanting. That's the good news.

The bad news: Four more years of Obama.

That's why I'm so angry with the GOP, TB.

I, for one, would like to have a choice. The truth is, Obama has left a lot to be desired in his first term as President. But he's far and away better than anyone the Republicans are running this year.

Turning this election into nothing short of a culture war has removed any possibility of my voting for them this year. Romney is completely out of touch. I'm embarrassed that Santorum is half Italian. And Newt is human garbage.

And I got news for ya. If they don't drop this culture clash crap and step into the 21st century, they may never win the Presidency again. Obama 2012 can easily seque into Cuomo 2016.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 03:46 PM

Don't laugh at this headline. Most of the GOP nominees in recent decades have won after previously failing to win it.

Santorum '16?

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/07/mitt_romney_won_last_night/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/03/07/santorum_2016.html

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

And I got news for ya. If they don't drop this culture clash crap and step into the 21st century, they may never win the Presidency again. Obama 2012 can easily seque into Cuomo 2016.


This will sound crazy since she's quitting her current job after this year, but if she came back and campaigned hard for state/local races in '14...Hillary Clinton could very well make herself a national comeback for '16.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
This will sound crazy since she's quitting her current job after this year, but if she came back and campaigned hard for state/local races in '14...Hillary Clinton could very well make herself a national comeback for '16.

Would you vote for her?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 03:59 PM

Depends. Maybe?

Of course I know nothing about Cuomo. How do our New Yorkers feel about him as he's prepping himself up for a '16 run?

Come to think of it, Hillary/Cuomo would be a double New York affair in the primaries.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Depends. Maybe?

Of course I know nothing about Cuomo. How do our New Yorkers feel about him as he's prepping himself up for a '16 run?

Come to think of it, Hillary/Cuomo would be a double New York affair in the primaries.

You know she's not a real New Yorker as well as I know that you hated "Rambo 2."

Are you trying to make my ulcer bleed? tongue grin
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 04:13 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

You know she's not a real New Yorker as well as I know that you hated "Rambo 2."

Are you trying to make my ulcer bleed? tongue grin


She's as New York as RFK was.

Don't blame me for your ulcers. You old people sneeze and your ulcers bleed.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 04:14 PM

I bet he slept on the couch that night.

Quote:
Mitt Romney breezed into Ohio swinging on Super Tuesday with his MVP, Ann, at his side. In a (failed) attempt to honor his wife, Romney announced to the crowd, "I'll introduce to you the heavyweight champion of my life."

Foul! No game rules include referring to your wife's weight. Ever.

"I don't mean weight," Romney fumbled, "She's just a great fighter is what I mean."

Lucky for Romney, Ann is a good sport! "Well, if this goes on my longer, I will be the heavyweight champion," said Ann.


OK she was funny there.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-player...-115515755.html
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 04:22 PM

All kidding aside, his wife is more likeable than he is. So that little faux pas may benefit him a teeny-tiny bit.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 05:20 PM

Newt made history!

Quote:
A Smart Politics review of presidential primary contests finds that Newt Gingrich's 47.2% performance in Georgia was tied for the second lowest support for a major Republican presidential candidate in his home state since the 1972 cycle, and tied for the lowest number for a winning candidate.

The worst home state performance for a Republican was Pat Robertson in Virginia in 1988.


http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2012/03/gingrich_records_weakest_gop_h.php
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Newt made history!

Quote:
A Smart Politics review of presidential primary contests finds that Newt Gingrich's 47.2% performance in Georgia was tied for the second lowest support for a major Republican presidential candidate in his home state since the 1972 cycle, and tied for the lowest number for a winning candidate.

The worst home state performance for a Republican was Pat Robertson in Virginia in 1988.


http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2012/03/gingrich_records_weakest_gop_h.php


I don't know if Georgians really consider him to be a Georgian since he's a Yankee transplant.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
I don't know if Georgians really consider him to be a Georgian since he's a Yankee transplant.

Don't pawn him off on us, Counselor tongue lol.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: klydon1
I don't know if Georgians really consider him to be a Georgian since he's a Yankee transplant.

Don't pawn him off on us, Counselor tongue lol.

lol

Newt was born in Harrisburg and spent his childhood here. Of course, his name had always been pronounced GING-rick until he moved to Georgia. His mother, who died about 12 years ago, still lived here, as did his sister.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 09:15 PM

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 09:44 PM

Washington (CNN) -- The Senate narrowly rejected a Republican-sponsored measure Thursday that would have bypassed the Obama administration's current objections to the Keystone XL pipeline and allowed construction on the controversial project to move forward immediately.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 10:53 PM

Speaking of elections, is anyone gonna watch HBO's "Game Change" which airs Saturday I believe. Julianne Moore looks and sounds exactly like Sarah Palin by the previews. uhwhat I hear she does a fantastic job. I can't take much of the real Sarah Palin, but I am tempted to check this movie out. It's getting good reviews from the few I've heard.

smile
TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/08/12 10:55 PM

I'll watch.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 12:43 AM

Wherever one stand on the upcoming election, I can't be the only one who gets sick of the constant group-think by those in Hollywood. It's almost like to be anyone in show business, you MUST march to the Democrat drum no matter what.

I love Tom Hanks as an actor but he should be above this political stumping. Leave that to Michael Moore or whoever.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXtJhLUOFXE
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 02:38 AM

First off, I hate this age we live in when we had advertisements for advertisements. I hate that shit. For fucks sake, it's not THE DARK KNIGHT RISES or some movie I want to see.

Second, I'm sure the final product will be nicely polished, probably even quite effective propaganda. Propaganda, but decently crafted none the less I'm sure.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 03:33 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
I love Tom Hanks as an actor but he should be above this political stumping. Leave that to Michael Moore or whoever.




I tried telling Ronnie Reagan that same thing, but ...
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 03:42 AM

I noted back on Tuesday about Mittens struggling with Evangelical voters. This article explains why that should trouble his team.

Mitt Romney’s 'Southern Problem' is National

Quote:
Republican presidential candidates obviously don't win general elections by winning Dixie alone. They win in swing states like Ohio. And they win in swing states like Ohio by turning out Southern-type voters who live in Ohio—evangelicals and Reagan Democrats. ... Romney's "Southern problem" therefore isn't that he's in danger of losing Southern states; it's that he's not reaching those demographic chunks of non-Southern states that most resemble the South.


Quote:


Will these voters turn to Obama? The great majority of them surely won't.

But, like the four million absent evangelicals who Karl Rove believes proved decisive in the 2000 popular vote, they might just stay home.


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/scot...lem-is-national

EDIT -

Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 06:25 AM

Some Evangelicals may stay home.

What if blacks aren't as motivated this time and don't turn out?

I truly believe that in order to get blacks to come out, they have to believe that they're voting against racism. Ultimately, you have to convince enough black voters that if they come out to vote again, they'll offset the vote of a Klansman.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 10:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Some Evangelicals may stay home.

What if blacks aren't as motivated this time and don't turn out?

I truly believe that in order to get blacks to come out, they have to believe that they're voting against racism. Ultimately, you have to convince enough black voters that if they come out to vote again, they'll offset the vote of a Klansman.


It just grinds your gears that black people vote, huh...

THE BLACKS ARE VOTING!!! THE BLACKS ARE VOTING!!! BOOGA-BOOGA!!!!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 11:36 AM

If the Right continue with their Evil Black Man meme (which recently just got resurrected. Remember that Pimp cartoon I posted in the birth control thread?) and get nasty and furious again as they have in the past, I don't think the black voting turnout will be a problem.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 02:37 PM

Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 03:42 PM

Does Romney like his grits regular or al dente?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Does Romney like his grits regular or al dente?


Maybe I should be thankful he didn't say this instead: "I like soupbeans! And cornbread! And incest! And going to school barefoot!" Dear lord, we've discovered Addidas decades ago. Maybe he learned a lesson from '08 when Mike Huckabee dinged him for hating to eat fried chicken skin as "southerners" do.*

If he goes to a black neighborhood, will he declare his affinity for them by declaring his love for watermelon?

*=Bullshit. I also refuse to watch NASCAR, aka Not All Southerners Care About Racing. (But I love pro wrestling, I'll admit that redneck stereotype.)

EDIT - Reading up the story behind that "Grits" video, Mittens said "Y'all." If you ever desire a foot up your ass, say that greeting to my face. Nobody around here in East TN says that except in Beverly Hillbillies reruns.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 04:36 PM

If Romney picks John Denver's "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" as his campaign song, I'm moving to Canada.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 04:54 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
If Romney picks John Denver's "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" as his campaign song, I'm moving to Canada.


I understand that he's taking banjo lessons.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/09/12 04:54 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
If Romney picks John Denver's "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" as his campaign song, I'm moving to Canada.

Toronto is lovely this time of year! smile
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/12 03:57 AM

My irony meter committed suicide.

Quote:
"I'm not really a politician." - Mitt Romney


http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-pres...tician-20120309

EDIT -
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
If Romney picks John Denver's "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" as his campaign song, I'm moving to Canada.


Next up, he'll joke about making his audience squeal like a pig.

~Bright side: He wins the southern gay vote.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/12 07:46 PM

I have to admit that I was surprised by this.

Last night Anderson Cooper stated that the mantra of Romney et al that President Obama said that his stimulus proposal would keep unemployment no higher than or below 8% was false. He stated that several weeks prior to the President's inaugeration that a couple of the President-elect's advisors stated that the stimulus package that they were developing might keep unemployment at or below 8%.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/10/12 09:19 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I have to admit that I was surprised by this.

Last night Anderson Cooper stated that the mantra of Romney et al that President Obama said that his stimulus proposal would keep unemployment no higher than or below 8% was false. He stated that several weeks prior to the President's inaugeration that a couple of the President-elect's advisors stated that the stimulus package that they were developing might keep unemployment at or below 8%.


this is true

until the obama admin was forced to cut deals on the stimulus with the GOP to get it passed and thus the stimulus was mostly tax writeoffs
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/11/12 11:11 AM

Reminds me of Romney recently claiming he never publicly proposed that Romneycare and it's Individual Mandate should be a model for Federal healthcare.

Except he did. In a 2009 Op-Ed.

http://www.therightscoop.com/2009-romney-op-ed-obama-should-use-my-individual-mandate-in-obamacare/

Thus continues the Romney Modus operandi: Everything is about the short term. There is no long game.

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 03/12/12 09:19 AM

Well, isn't this interesting . It could be wishful thinking on some people's parts but it could describe something changing. We shall see. The center, which is where the election will be decided, is not holding.

Quote:
Centrist Women Tell of Disenchantment With Republicans
As baby showers go, the party Mary Russell attended to celebrate her niece’s first child was sweet, with about a dozen women offering congratulations over ice cream and cake.

But somewhere between the baby name game and the gifts, what had been light conversation took a sharp turn toward the personal and political — specifically, the battle over access to birth control and other women’s health issues that have sprung to life on the Republican campaign trail in recent weeks.

“We all agreed that this seemed like a throwback to 40 years ago,” said Ms. Russell, 57, a retired teacher from Iowa City who describes herself as an evangelical Christian and “old school” Republican of the moderate mold.

Until the baby shower, just two weeks ago, she had favored Mitt Romney for president.

Not anymore. She said she might vote for President Obama now. “I didn’t realize I had a strong viewpoint on this until these conversations,” Ms. Russell said. As for the Republican presidential candidates, she added: “If they’re going to decide on women’s reproductive issues, I’m not going to vote for any of them. Women’s reproduction is our own business.”

In Iowa, one of the crucial battlegrounds in the coming presidential election, and in other states, dozens of interviews in recent weeks have found that moderate Republican and independent women — one of the most important electoral swing groups — are disenchanted by the Republican focus on social issues like contraception and abortion in an election that, until recently, had been mostly dominated by the economy.

And in what appears to be an abrupt shift, some Republican-leaning women like Ms. Russell said they might switch sides and vote for Mr. Obama — if they turn out to vote at all....
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/12/12 03:24 PM

Very telling article, Lilo. It would hold especially true if that lunatic Santorum ever got the nod (not that he really has a chance). If that asshole got his way, women would be fitted for chastity belts.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/12/12 03:43 PM

Unless it's his wife that needs medication that will save her life but kill the fetus. Then it's OK.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/12/12 05:35 PM

Here's a big surprise rolleyes.

Obama’s Muslim, evolution is fake & Rush Limbaugh is great, Republican voters say in poll

However, Alabama, Mississippi voters aren’t as decisive about which GOP candidate they’ll vote for in primaries

By Corky Siemaszko / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Voters in Alabama and Mississippi may still be split on which Republican they want in the White House, but they agree on this much — in their minds, President Obama is a Muslim.

A stunning 66% of Mississippi respondents to a survey done ahead of Tuesday’s presidential primary have bought into the false notion that Obama worships Allah, Public Policy Polling reported Monday. Some 36% said they weren’t sure.

In Alabama, 45% responded in the affirmative when asked the same question and 41% said they weren’t sure, pollsters found.

Obama is a Christian. But many conservative Republicans just refuse to believe that despite ample evidence to the contrary, pollster Jim Williams said.

“I don’t have an explanation for that,” said Williams. “All I can say is that we have looked at that in other places in the past and it’s never really gone away. You’re dealing with an extremely conservative portion of the electorate in two extremely conservative states.”

Mississippi and Alabama are also deeply religious states that generally rank at or close to the bottom in most state education rankings.

Sixty-six percent of Mississippians surveyed by PPP said they didn’t believe in evolution as did 60% of people in Alabama, the pollsters found.

And in these states, Rush Limbaugh is an admired figure, with 53% of those polled admitting to having a favorable opinion of the right wing rabblerouser. The figure was 51% in Mississippi.

The survey was done over the weekend as Limbaugh continued to be hit by criticism for calling a Georgetown University law student a “slut” on the air.

Given the conservatism of the GOP electorate in Alabama and Mississippi, candidates like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum should be trouncing more moderate Mitt Romney, the GOP front runner.

Both are far more popular that Romney. But Romney is benefitting from a split in the conservative vote.

The PPP poll found that Gingrich was maintaining a slim 33% to 31% lead over Romney, and the former Massachusetts governor was actually leading Gingrich in Alabama by a hair 31% to 30%.

Santorum was close behind in both states. Ron Paul wasn’t even close.

“About all we know for sure about Tuesday’s primaries is that Ron Paul will finish last in them,” said PPP president Dean Debnam. “Beyond that it’s plausible that any of the candidates could finish between first and third in both Alabama and Mississippi.”

PPP, a non-partisan outfit, surveyed 656 likely Republican voters in Mississippi and 600 likely Republican primary voters in Alabama.

csiemaszko@nydailynews.com

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election...0#ixzz1ovPsgExq
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 03/12/12 07:03 PM

I would not expect anything different from these two states.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 03/12/12 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Does Romney like his grits regular or al dente?


Maybe I should be thankful he didn't say this instead: "I like soupbeans! And cornbread! And incest! And going to school barefoot!" Dear lord, we've discovered Addidas decades ago. Maybe he learned a lesson from '08 when Mike Huckabee dinged him for hating to eat fried chicken skin as "southerners" do.*

If he goes to a black neighborhood, will he declare his affinity for them by declaring his love for watermelon?

*=Bullshit. I also refuse to watch NASCAR, aka Not All Southerners Care About Racing. (But I love pro wrestling, I'll admit that redneck stereotype.)

EDIT - Reading up the story behind that "Grits" video, Mittens said "Y'all." If you ever desire a foot up your ass, say that greeting to my face. Nobody around here in East TN says that except in Beverly Hillbillies reruns.



Bill Maher made the interesting point that Southerners never go north and try to say things like, "I read lots of books and make a great vegan meatloaf."
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/12/12 09:14 PM

More than half of likely Republican voters in Mississippi say they think President Barack Obama is a Muslim, according to a survey conducted by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic polling firm. Fifty-two percent said that Obama practiced Islam, while just 12 percent said he was a Christian. Thirty-six percent said they were not sure.

The poll, conducted by telephone of 656 likely Republican voters in Mississippi on March 10 and 11, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.8 percentage points.

In Alabama, the same poll found that 45 percent of likely Republican voters believed Obama to be a Muslim and 14 percent said they considered him a Christian.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/poll-more-half-mississippi-voters-obama-muslim-192027518.html
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/12/12 10:53 PM

Quote:
Anderson Cooper


This explains why you came after me in the Rush Limbaugh thread.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/12/12 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Anderson Cooper


Anderson Cooper. This explains why you came after me in the Limbaugh thread.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/12/12 11:14 PM

calling PPP a non-partisan outfit is laughable.

Obama's father was a Muslim. So was his stepfather Lolo Soetoro, who gave Obama a Muslim upbringing as required by the school curriculum in Indonesia. So there was a time in Obama's life when he self-identified as a Muslim.

Obama did not become a Christian until he became a community organizer in Chicago in his twenties. He needed some kind of strong link to the community and Wright the answer.

Now that Obama is President, he does not need a church, so he does not go.

Who cares what the voters of these states think? Everyone is entitled to their own views, right or wrong.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 01:04 AM

That's completely untrue. According to urbanlegend.com:

CNN tracked down the Indonesian school in question, the Basuki School in Jakarta, which a deputy headmaster describes as a "public school" with no particular religious agenda. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment," the headmaster told CNN. A former classmate of Obama's describes the school as "general," with students of many religious backgrounds attending. Obama entered the school at the age of 8 and attended for two years.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 01:16 AM

Sicilian babe,

CNN is to the Democrats what Fox News is to the GOP.

Obama's school records were posted by the AP. He wasn't even known as Barack Obama. His name was Barry Soetoro and his stepfather was Lolo Soetoro. The schools in Indonesia ask about nationality and religion. That's just their policy. Children go to "religious instruction" of the religion they are registered as. Obama was a Muslim. He did not become a Christian until Rev Wright baptized him.

There is nothing wrong with Obama being a Muslim as a child. But I can see why he would want to downplay it, fearing it could cost him votes.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 01:59 AM

I disagree. President Obama was really not raised in any particular religion. His mother believed he should be exposed to many different religions and cultures.

He attended this school in Indonesia from the ages of 8-10. From the ages of 6-8, he attended a Catholic school. Does that make him Catholic?

And after his two years at the so-called "Muslim school", he attended a private, secular school.

And if you don't believe CNN, would you believe the Associated Press? They had a quote from the Indonesian Minister of Religious Affairs, stating that the school was a public primary school open to people of all faiths.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 02:37 AM

Sicilian girl,

AP posted the photo of Obama's registration. His stepdad listed him as Barry Soetoro, and his religion was Islam.

Indonesian schools require kids to register under a religion and take religious instruction classes for the corresponding religion. This is how secular schools were when Obama was a kid.

CNN even did a story where they sent a news crew to Indonesia to interview people at Obama's school. No one denied that he was listed as a Muslim or that he attended Islamic religious instruction.

There's nothing wrong with being honest about Obama's Muslim background and I can understand why it's something he's not going to exploit. I do look down on people who bring it up to imply that his Muslim background means he's somehow sympathetic to terrorism. That's wrong.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 10:28 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Here's a big surprise rolleyes.

Obama’s Muslim, evolution is fake & Rush Limbaugh is great, Republican voters say in poll

However, Alabama, Mississippi voters aren’t as decisive about which GOP candidate they’ll vote for in primaries

By Corky Siemaszko / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Voters in Alabama and Mississippi may still be split on which Republican they want in the White House, but they agree on this much — in their minds, President Obama is a Muslim.

A stunning 66% of Mississippi respondents to a survey done ahead of Tuesday’s presidential primary have bought into the false notion that Obama worships Allah, Public Policy Polling reported Monday. Some 36% said they weren’t sure.

In Alabama, 45% responded in the affirmative when asked the same question and 41% said they weren’t sure, pollsters found.

Obama is a Christian. But many conservative Republicans just refuse to believe that despite ample evidence to the contrary, pollster Jim Williams said.

“I don’t have an explanation for that,” said Williams. “All I can say is that we have looked at that in other places in the past and it’s never really gone away. You’re dealing with an extremely conservative portion of the electorate in two extremely conservative states.”

Mississippi and Alabama are also deeply religious states that generally rank at or close to the bottom in most state education rankings.

Sixty-six percent of Mississippians surveyed by PPP said they didn’t believe in evolution as did 60% of people in Alabama, the pollsters found.

And in these states, Rush Limbaugh is an admired figure, with 53% of those polled admitting to having a favorable opinion of the right wing rabblerouser. The figure was 51% in Mississippi.

The survey was done over the weekend as Limbaugh continued to be hit by criticism for calling a Georgetown University law student a “slut” on the air.

Given the conservatism of the GOP electorate in Alabama and Mississippi, candidates like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum should be trouncing more moderate Mitt Romney, the GOP front runner.

Both are far more popular that Romney. But Romney is benefitting from a split in the conservative vote.

The PPP poll found that Gingrich was maintaining a slim 33% to 31% lead over Romney, and the former Massachusetts governor was actually leading Gingrich in Alabama by a hair 31% to 30%.

Santorum was close behind in both states. Ron Paul wasn’t even close.

“About all we know for sure about Tuesday’s primaries is that Ron Paul will finish last in them,” said PPP president Dean Debnam. “Beyond that it’s plausible that any of the candidates could finish between first and third in both Alabama and Mississippi.”

PPP, a non-partisan outfit, surveyed 656 likely Republican voters in Mississippi and 600 likely Republican primary voters in Alabama.

csiemaszko@nydailynews.com

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election...0#ixzz1ovPsgExq



Odd article.

We know Santorum is a Catholic. Romney a Mormon.

Most Christians go by some kind of denomination. So why is Obama a generic "Christian"?

Does he not have a denomination? Is the media somewhat unsure? Do they stop at "Christian" fearing any real analysis of Obama's claim may raise more questions?

If they're going to dig this crap up, they should be a lot more specific, like they are about Romney and Santorum, or don't dig this crap up at all.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 12:49 PM

Why do you care? I don't see a big deal being made of anyone's religion, so what difference does it make? Trinity United Church of Christ - there are thousand of churchs called "Church of Christ" in this country. Just because it doesn't say Baptist, Methodist, or Lutheran doesn't make it any less Christian.

Is anyone really surprised that Mississippi and Alabama think he is Muslim, don't believe in evolution, and admire Rush Limbaugh. Is it a coincidence that Alabama and Mississippi have some of the worst education systems in the country? The home of Haley Barbour?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 03:24 PM

Pat Robertson made many such claims debunked by poli-facts.

The President DID go to school in Indonesia where they taught (as I understand) both Muslim & Catholicism. He was enrolled by his father (who was in his life a very short time)who was Muslim but shortly after became atheist.

By what I've read/learned, I assume he never really was a big church goer until he was an adult. So What? BUT then he's got that scary middle name, HUSSEIN that the right love to emphasize. OMG, I said it. rolleyes

Politifact sums it up this way:

Obama’s own writings, independent biographies and news articles show he had a secular childhood. Sure, he went to an Indonesian school where most of the children were Muslim and there are accounts that he sometimes attended a mosque with his Islamic stepfather. But there is no evidence that the president was a practicing Muslim raised in the faith.


Btw, my family is Catholic. I have two grandchildren who went/are going to a Religious "Non-Catholic" preschool. I do NOT consider them to be of that faith even tho the Preschool incorporate religion (although admittedly since they are 4yr olds, it doesn't play a major role) in their teachings.


TIS

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/state...-raised-muslim/




Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Why do you care? I don't see a big deal being made of anyone's religion, so what difference does it make? Trinity United Church of Christ - there are thousand of churchs called "Church of Christ" in this country. Just because it doesn't say Baptist, Methodist, or Lutheran doesn't make it any less Christian.

Is anyone really surprised that Mississippi and Alabama think he is Muslim, don't believe in evolution, and admire Rush Limbaugh. Is it a coincidence that Alabama and Mississippi have some of the worst education systems in the country? The home of Haley Barbour?

Perfectly put, DM. Who cares what brand of Christianity the guy follows?

And for that matter, who really cares if he is a Muslim, as long as he's not an extremist Muslim. Because I have to tell you, we just had eight years of an extremist Christian President, and look how that worked out.

In my opinion, if you vote for anyone who puts theology above government, I'd have to say you have mental problems. And I say this as a practicing Catholic with a tremendous interest in other religions (especially Judaism).
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Why do you care? I don't see a big deal being made of anyone's religion, so what difference does it make? Trinity United Church of Christ - there are thousand of churchs called "Church of Christ" in this country. Just because it doesn't say Baptist, Methodist, or Lutheran doesn't make it any less Christian.

Is anyone really surprised that Mississippi and Alabama think he is Muslim, don't believe in evolution, and admire Rush Limbaugh. Is it a coincidence that Alabama and Mississippi have some of the worst education systems in the country? The home of Haley Barbour?


I don't care. But if the mainstream media is going to continue to bring up the issue, I have a right to ask a simple question. It's something I felt was missing from the massive coverage of the survey.

Most people I know in my personal life, or who are public figures, identify by denomination. Obama seems to be a generic "Christian" and the media leaves it at that. They should not bring it up at all unless they're going to be more specific.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 06:15 PM

So what if he is a generic Christian? What if he doesn't go to church, which he indicated he didn't til adult years? Why does that matter? confused Just do what's best for our country andf don't push his/her personal faith beliefs on me. The only people this matters to are the Rightwing nutjobs & birthers, and I think it's a cover-up to the real reason they hate him or they'd be talking about pursuing serious issues. rolleyes



TIS
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Pat Robertson made many such claims debunked by poli-facts.

The President DID go to school in Indonesia where they taught (as I understand) both Muslim & Catholicism. He was enrolled by his father (who was in his life a very short time)who was Muslim but shortly after became atheist.

By what I've read/learned, I assume he never really was a big church goer until he was an adult. So What? BUT then he's got that scary middle name, HUSSEIN that the right love to emphasize. OMG, I said it. rolleyes

Politifact sums it up this way:

Obama’s own writings, independent biographies and news articles show he had a secular childhood. Sure, he went to an Indonesian school where most of the children were Muslim and there are accounts that he sometimes attended a mosque with his Islamic stepfather. But there is no evidence that the president was a practicing Muslim raised in the faith.


Btw, my family is Catholic. I have two grandchildren who went/are going to a Religious "Non-Catholic" preschool. I do NOT consider them to be of that faith even tho the Preschool incorporate religion (although admittedly since they are 4yr olds, it doesn't play a major role) in their teachings.


TIS

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/state...-raised-muslim/






Obama's own stepdad registered Obama as a Muslim. He did the right thing considering every father he had was a Muslim. That would have been his religion as a child. Most people consider themselves to be whatever religion their parents forced them to be as children even if they stop observing as adults. For Obama it would have been Islam as a child in Indonesia.

Obama describes "conversion" to Christianity. He's right.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 06:19 PM

No it was NOT his religion as a child. His step-father registered him as Muslim cause that was what he was. President Obama said he was not raised in any one particular religion.

Btw, it's amazing that as a child he only saw his dad for the most part, a very short time and the entire rest of his life was with his mother & Grandparents. YET, those are the years that people focus on.

smile

TIS

Corrected to show "Step" Father
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
So what if he is a generic Christian? What if he doesn't go to church, which he indicated he didn't til adult years? Why does that matter? confused Just do what's best for our country andf don't push his/her personal faith beliefs on me. The only people this matters to are the Rightwing nutjobs & birthers, and I think it's a cover-up to the real reason they hate him or they'd be talking about pursuing serious issues. rolleyes

Amen, Tis clap.

If you want to criticise the guy for important shortcomings, go right ahead. But thinly veiling racial contempt in the name of religion is deplorable. And it's not fooling anyone, either.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 07:09 PM

MSNBC today talking about all of Romney's gaffes/mispeaks/awkwardness, etc...."It's like he's on a safari in his own country." lol



TIS
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 07:28 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
No it was NOT his religion as a child. His father registered him as Muslim cause that was what his father was. President Obama said he was not raised in any one particular religion.

Btw, it's amazing that as a child he only saw his dad for the most part, those couple years and the entire rest of his life was with his mother & Grandparents. YET, those couple years are what people focus on.

smile

TIS


His father never registered him as a Muslim. His stepdad Lolo Soetoro did.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
So what if he is a generic Christian? What if he doesn't go to church, which he indicated he didn't til adult years? Why does that matter? confused Just do what's best for our country andf don't push his/her personal faith beliefs on me. The only people this matters to are the Rightwing nutjobs & birthers, and I think it's a cover-up to the real reason they hate him or they'd be talking about pursuing serious issues. rolleyes

Amen, Tis clap.

If you want to criticise the guy for important shortcomings, go right ahead. But thinly veiling racial contempt in the name of religion is deplorable. And it's not fooling anyone, either.


Blame the mainstream media like Huffington Post, CNN and NYDN. They are the ones who recycle this story all the time.

There's nothing racist about saying Obama has a Muslim background. There is something wrong if someone thinks he's a "secret Muslim".
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 07:35 PM

I hate to say it but being Muslim remains a dubious distinction as long as there's an emerging bourgeosis class of them at home and abroad still openly declaring "Death to Israel". Fact is, even the youngest educated demographics of Muslims are still prone to using this rhetoric and there's a reason for that.

But anyone who thinks Obama shouldn't or doesn't embrace his Muslim faith is being purposely naive. Most people don't simply forget their Muslim heritage and nor should they IMO.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 07:47 PM

Nobody has commented on the fact that he went to Catholic school as a child. Does that make him Catholic???
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 08:04 PM

Touche, SB. But didn't Gadaffi send Obama some sort of correspondence telling him he's the dark savior of their superior Muslim brothers, or something to that affect. It came out in Wikileaks.

Not saying Obama gave it any creedence, but it'd be foolish not to think that there are at least some other Muslims who relate to him this way and that he's used this idea for his political advantage, whether he considers himself one or not.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 08:11 PM

Qadaffi? I don't know anything about that, but the man was not exactly a credible source.

As far as the Muslim faith, the President has never considered himself a Muslim. He was never raised as part of any religion, but exposed to several. There has often been a "pick and choose" mentality for the parent of children brought up in mixed-faith households. I know several friends who celebrate the holidays of both faiths, bring up the children in neither, and then let the kids choose for themselves when they're adults. That's pretty much what the President's family did, and he chose to follow his mother's faith as a Christian when he became of age.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 08:16 PM

Dictator of a large nation for 30 years probably gives him more credibility than you'd think.

But Muslim or not Obama's certainly used the fact that people relate to him this way for his politcal advantage more than once. So you can't expect the proverbial sh*t not to roll back down hill on him.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/13/12 10:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
But didn't Gadaffi send Obama some sort of correspondence telling him he's the dark savior of their superior Muslim brothers, or something to that affect. It came out in Wikileaks.


Gaddafi was also certifiably fucking insane. From his all-virgin female bodyguard unit to wearing gloves on his visit to Israel (so his hands wouldn't shake hands with Jews) to that infamous tape he sent out to his people shortly after the revolt began. Remember, him indoors in a car while holdign an umbrella?

Yeah, use him as a source to your heart's content.

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti


Not saying Obama gave it any creedence, but it'd be foolish not to think that there are at least some other Muslims who relate to him this way and that he's used this idea for his political advantage, whether he considers himself one or not.


Do they really? Why would they considering he's retained Dubya's national security methods and practices, if not arguably gone even more right-wing (consider his escalation of the drone program) than Dubya.

Fun Fact: Before 9/11, the Muslim-American voted overwhelmingly Republican. Which makes sense, since most leaders of both sides hate the gays and evolution.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 12:07 AM

Yeah, those anonymous internet bloggers and supposed impartial media outlets who spread tautological, biased false narratives are the sources of true information, ron ron.

Pre 9-11 was a long time ago and considering the fact we're pulling out of Afghanistan and Iraq I would hardly put Obama in the Bush category on Muslim affairs. You think Obama's national security is arguably more right wing than so-called war-mongering Bush who you all wanted for crimes and say unlawfully massacred thousands of innocent Iraqis? lol REally!?!

Wow, you guys have no problem twisting the facts to win each and every argument even if it discredits your overall party rhetoric.

But Obama has more credibility in the Muslim world because of his background, that's just a fact. If we can use that to our political advantage then hell YES we should. Which is why if we want to take care of business over there we should keep him in office.

Considering all of that, it's not surprising that 1 out of 2 people surveyed in one very non scientific poll think this man whose name also happens to be Hussein with Kenyan ancestory is Muslim, I don't think this equates to mass racism, conspiracy, or ignorance.

Because you know, the man in fireman's jacket & fireman's pants with a fireman's helmet, safety boots, an axe and a hose may just possibly be a fireman...not that there's anything wrong with it.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 12:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Nobody has commented on the fact that he went to Catholic school as a child. Does that make him Catholic???


Obviously not, if he didn't convert to Christianity at age 27 when baptized by Rev Wright.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 01:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Qadaffi? I don't know anything about that, but the man was not exactly a credible source.

As far as the Muslim faith, the President has never considered himself a Muslim. He was never raised as part of any religion, but exposed to several. There has often been a "pick and choose" mentality for the parent of children brought up in mixed-faith households. I know several friends who celebrate the holidays of both faiths, bring up the children in neither, and then let the kids choose for themselves when they're adults. That's pretty much what the President's family did, and he chose to follow his mother's faith as a Christian when he became of age.


Your absolutely right, it was all in his book as well. "Letters from my Father"
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 02:37 AM

Santorum won Alabama and although Mississippi is too close to call with over 80 percent in, I'm guessing he'll also get Miss. Mitt is 3rd in both. Hawaii no numbers yet.

smile




TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 03:08 AM

I'll give Mr. Santorum credit: He was outspent 6-1 by Mittens, and Newt the spoiler, I didn't honestly think he would win a state, much less both. Once again declared dead by the media (and me), and once again, he lives to fight for a another day.

Mittens earlier today called today's primaries "the desperate end" of Santorum's campaign. So Mitt, you lost to a desperate loser. And came in third! Opps. lol

I hate Newt, but this was funny:

Quote:
"If a front-runner keeps coming in third, he's not the front-runner."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 03:11 AM

After tonight with Mittens considerably underperforming to his Evangelical polling, is there a Mormon Bradly Effect in...err, effect...for Mittens among Evangelical voters?

Quote:
Results tonight in MS and AL raise the question of whether evangelical voters are lying to pollsters about willingness to vote for a Mormon.


https://twitter.com/#!/blakehounshell/status/179754752870060033
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 03:30 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I'll give Mr. Santorum credit: He was outspent 6-1 by Mittens, and Newt the spoiler, I didn't honestly think he would win a state, much less both. Once again declared dead by the media (and me), and once again, he lives to fight for a another day.

Mittens earlier today called today's primaries "the desperate end" of Santorum's campaign. So Mitt, you lost to a desperate loser. And came in third! Opps. lol

I hate Newt, but this was funny:

Quote:
"If a front-runner keeps coming in third, he's not the front-runner."




The results tonight were as expected. No big deal.

Romney is clearly the front-runner. Just like it was clear Obama was the front-runner even when Hillary beat him in key leftist states and went on a big win streak. And how did that work out?

People saying that Romney has an Evangelical problem would have to look at 2008 DNC primaries and conclude that NY, NJ and CA had a "black problem" when Hillary won those states.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 03:42 AM

What I don't understand is why anyone gives a hoot about what the Republicans say. Watching them go through the primaries is the funniest thing on tv since "The Gong Show".
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 03:51 AM

I'm sorry SV, but I can't hear you for your washing machine in the background and it's heavy spin.

Quote:
"We are going to win tomorrow." - Mitt Romney


http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-said-he-was-going-to-win-alabama

Shit exit polls even had Mittens winning Miss. Considering all the elements I mentioned, plus the state GOP firmly behind him, I fully expected Mittens to win at least one of the two tonight. If he had, primary season over. But he didn't. I do agree he is the "front runner," but again he's winning by default with that damn delegate system, which for whatever reason the GOP thought was a genius move to emulate from the Democrats.* Except for Florida, he's not once truely been the Queen Bitch of the narrative.

(He'll win the delegates tonight I guess, but again he's had another knock out moment. And missed. I think what hurts him more than anything else is the never-ending reports of how he and his affiliated Super Pacs are outspending Santorum out the wazoo. That raises expectations of performance. Thanks Citizens United.)

As for your 2008 allusions, I didn't know Ohio was a bastion of liberialism, same with New Hampshire. Also you forget that while African-Americans are a core element of the Democratic voting bloc, they're no way near weld the power and influence within their own party in comparison with the Evangelicals in the GOP.

Just give it up and blame Mittens' struggles tonight on the Feminazis. And don't forget the homosexuals too. And Al Sharpton's radio show.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 03:54 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
What I don't understand is why anyone gives a hoot about what the Republicans say. Watching them go through the primaries is the funniest thing on tv since "The Gong Show".


Not seen it, but Newt's speech tonight is apparently a future contender for enshrinement in the Hubris Hall of Fame.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 04:12 AM

Quote:
A pro-life group that spent big money helping Rick Santorum in Alabama and Mississippi Tuesday says the results were a triumph for social issues, which the GOP establishement has urged the candidates to stay away from.


http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/pro-life-group-al-ms-proves-social-issues
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 04:29 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I'm sorry SV, but I can't hear you for your washing machine in the background and it's heavy spin.

Quote:
"We are going to win tomorrow." - Mitt Romney


http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-said-he-was-going-to-win-alabama

Shit exit polls even had Mittens winning Miss. Considering all the elements I mentioned, plus the state GOP firmly behind him, I fully expected Mittens to win at least one of the two tonight. If he had, primary season over. But he didn't. I do agree he is the "front runner," but again he's winning by default with that damn delegate system, which for whatever reason the GOP thought was a genius move to emulate from the Democrats.* Except for Florida, he's not once truely been the Queen Bitch of the narrative.

(He'll win the delegates tonight I guess, but again he's had another knock out moment. And missed. I think what hurts him more than anything else is the never-ending reports of how he and his affiliated Super Pacs are outspending Santorum out the wazoo. That raises expectations of performance. Thanks Citizens United.)

As for your 2008 allusions, I didn't know Ohio was a bastion of liberialism, same with New Hampshire. Also you forget that while African-Americans are a core element of the Democratic voting bloc, they're no way near weld the power and influence within their own party in comparison with the Evangelicals in the GOP.

Just give it up and blame Mittens' struggles tonight on the Feminazis. And don't forget the homosexuals too. And Al Sharpton's radio show.


Al Sharpton? How petulant.

I can't think of any political junkie who expected Romney to win these two states. He lost states he was expected to lose. Why is it an issue?

If you are going to conclude that Romney's loss in the Deep South is an Evangelical issue, it would be like saying Obama's losses in California, NY and NJ mean voters in those states have an issue with a black candidate. But in the end they didn't. And there won't be a problem with Evangelicals voting against Obama in November.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/14/12 08:13 PM

Mitt got ambushed today on FNC over the mandates.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/15/12 01:47 AM

Is Paul Ready to Cut a Deal with Romney?

Quote:
Ron Paul "has sent discreet signals to Camp Romney" suggesting he might be willing to trade his support in the GOP presidential race, Alex Altman reports.

"Aides say if Paul can't win the nomination, four legislative priorities would top the Texas Representative's wish list: (1) deep spending cuts that lead to a balanced budget; (2) the restoration of civil liberties; (3) a commitment to reclaim the legislative branch's right to declare war, which it abdicated to the executive branch in recent decades; and (4) reforms that shore up the U.S. monetary system, such an audit of the Federal Reserve or competing-currency legislation."

Paul might also be enticed "by the prospect of serving as a presidential adviser, a Cabinet position for someone in his orbit or 'perhaps a vice presidency.' Not for himself, but rather his son. Rand Paul, the junior senator from Kentucky and a Tea Party icon, is expected to launch his own White House bid in 2016. Being on the ticket now - or even being mentioned for it - would be a helpful step."


http://swampland.time.com/2012/03/14/why-ron-paul-may-cut-a-deal-with-mitt-romney/

How Romney Gave Santorum an Opening in Illinois

Quote:
"Mitt Romney could have assured himself victory months in advance in the now-crucial primary state of Illinois, but instead his Illinois campaign operation chose to allow Rick Santorum's delegates to remain on the ballot despite a failure to meet signature requirements."

"The decision produced a quiet storm of outrage among Romney's allies in the state, who were bewildered by the decision to make a slam-dunk race competitive, and to grant an opening in the desperate scramble to reach the 1,144 delegates required for the Republican nomination."


http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/how-romney-gave-rick-santorum-an-opening-in-illino
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/15/12 12:40 PM

Is Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation a distant relative of Mitt Romney?





http://romnoid.tumblr.com/
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 03/16/12 02:07 PM

okay...santorum really screwed him self here...no guy would vote for him now.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rick-santorum-wants-ban-hardcore-pornography-222833811.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/16/12 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
okay...santorum really screwed him self here...no guy would vote for him now.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rick-santorum-wants-ban-hardcore-pornography-222833811.html



He's definately lost the college vote.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/16/12 03:18 PM

Before revisionism may or may not happen (as Team Mittens believed they would win in the South this week, only to lose and claim afterwards they never expected to win there), let's make this clear: He should win Puerto Rico sunday, especially after Santorum's gaffe.

Of course off-topic, but why do non-state American territories, who can't vote for President, get to vote for President (and have an effect on the race) in the party primaries?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/16/12 03:38 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Of course off-topic, but why do non-state American territories, who can't vote for President, get to vote for President (and have an effect on the race) in the party primaries?

Doesn't make any sense at all, Ronnie. It never has.

Santorum's "Speak English" mandate is the final nail in his coffin (not that he was ever going to get the Latino vote anyway). He ought to just take his wife and kids and move to a White Guy militia in Oregon right now. Get it over with.

How the grandson of immigrants can be so xenophobic is beyond me.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 03/16/12 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Of course off-topic, but why do non-state American territories, who can't vote for President, get to vote for President (and have an effect on the race) in the party primaries?

Doesn't make any sense at all, Ronnie. It never has.

Santorum's "Speak English" mandate is the final nail in his coffin (not that he was ever going to get the Latino vote anyway). He ought to just take his wife and kids and move to a White Guy militia in Oregon right now. Get it over with.

How the grandson of immigrants can be so xenophobic is beyond me.


did i miss something here...'speak english' madate? wtf is wrong with this idiot?!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/16/12 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy


Doesn't make any sense at all, Ronnie. It never has.


What also has never made sense for me is those territories voting for Congressional delegates who can't vote, but can speak and join Congressional committees. (In short, they're voting for their elected lobbyist.)

The grossest example of this is the D.C. metropolitan area. Why does some asshole from Wyoming or Florida determine and basically speak (by ballot) what funds goes to D.C.? A city that large being taxed but denied a voting representation isn't just wrong, it defies common sense. Why can't Congress pass a bill, without the Constitutional wrangling, giving the D.C. area a vote in the House of Representatives, where all spending bills start at? (Do they need two Senate votes despite not being a state? I don't think so.)

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

Santorum's "Speak English" mandate is the final nail in his coffin (not that he was ever going to get the Latino vote anyway). He ought to just take his wife and kids and move to a White Guy militia in Oregon right now. Get it over with.

How the grandson of immigrants can be so xenophobic is beyond me.


As crazy as this sounds, that gaffe will screw Ricky in PR...I could see Romney's quick rush to condemn Santorum over that flap backfiring on him for the Illinois primary. I could see Ricky even throwing that bomb out on the sunday talk shows.

I mean a topic alot of the conservatives adored for years is that "English=National Language" mantra. Mittens saying that is wrong? OF course those same people who would be offended by that timely position are probably already going to vote against him.

But this damn race has been crazy already so why not more?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/16/12 04:19 PM

Illinois will be considered a close race, which I expect Mittens to win.

Quote:
Perhaps no state is more representative of the national GOP than Illinois. No, it doesn’t include sparsely populated, Paul-friendly western highlands or the Mormons of greater Utah, but it has nearly everything else. The Chicago area is among the wealthiest in the country, while southern Illinois, which is physically and politically closer to Alabama and Mississippi than the Windy City, is dominated by culturally southern, working-class, evangelicals. Compared to Ohio and Michigan, Illinois is slightly less evangelical and more affluent, which points toward a narrow Romney advantage.


http://electionate.com/2012/03/14/romney-favored-in-three-way-illinois-race/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/16/12 04:26 PM

Well give this private project of his credit: It's a (short term) job creator.

Basement In Mitt Romney's New Mansion To Be Bigger Than Entire Mansion He Tore Down

Quote:
Democrats swarmed when news broke last year that Mitt Romney had bought a $12 million mansion in La Jolla, California -- only to tear it down to build a house on the same land with four times the square footage. Romney bristled at the story, insisting that he was only doubling the size if you don't count the basement and garage.

Today's Wall Street Journal has a little more info on that basement in a trend piece on how ultra-wealthy home owners are building huge portions of their home below ground in order to appear less ostentatious from the outside. According to the plans for Romney's new home, the underground space will be 3,600 square foot. That's 600 square feet bigger than the entire mansion that the Romneys are replacing.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204781804577269551172054374.html
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/16/12 10:46 PM

Is it me or do GOP candidates for President get crazier/more stupid every election cycle?

You just cant make some of this stuff they say up...
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/18/12 01:32 AM

Mittens down in Puerto Rico:

Quote:
'I respect this people. I respect your culture. I respect your history. I respect your leaders.'


Quote:
'What a beautiful island. What a beautiful place. What a wonderful culture you enjoy. What a wonderful people you are.'


I bet he loved the trees too.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/18/12 01:46 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Mittens down in Puerto Rico:

Quote:
'I respect this people. I respect your culture. I respect your history. I respect your leaders.'


Quote:
'What a beautiful island. What a beautiful place. What a wonderful culture you enjoy. What a wonderful people you are.'


I bet he loved the trees too.


I don't know if the trees are quite the right height like they are in Michigan. lol


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/18/12 05:12 PM

Anyone watch Santorum this morning?

The guy is a walking SNL skit.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/18/12 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Anyone watch Santorum this morning?

The guy is a walking SNL skit.


I did. He almost always looks like he's on the verge of shouting plaintively "But I'm right! I'm right!".
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/18/12 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Anyone watch Santorum this morning?

The guy is a walking SNL skit.


I did. He almost always looks like he's on the verge of shouting plaintively "But I'm right! I'm right!".

Perfectly put, Oli. The guy has no idea which battles to wage and that you can't wage all of them all at the same time (pornography, birth countrol, abortion, etc.).

To paraphrase Patton, it's not enough to know how to fight, you have to know when to fight
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/18/12 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Anyone watch Santorum this morning?

The guy is a walking SNL skit.


I did. He almost always looks like he's on the verge of shouting plaintively "But I'm right! I'm right!".

Perfectly put, Oli. The guy has no idea which battles to wage and that you can't wage all of them all at the same time (pornography, birth countrol, abortion, etc.).

To paraphrase Patton, it's not enough to know how to fight, you have to know when to fight


My sister is almost Opus Dei, but she won't support Santorum because of his radical version of Catholicism.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 12:02 AM

so you guys listen to Santorum(and probably Palin) for same reason I like to listen to Sharpton. We all like to ridicule our targets.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 12:22 AM

Probably not. I listen to Santorum and the other Republican candidates because they're on the news several times a day. If they weren't, then I wouldn't.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 12:46 AM

In addition, Santorum is running for for the Presidency; Sharpton isn't.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 01:51 AM

this thread is now more about making fun of GOP candidates.

i understand why people still laugh at Palin even though it's been years since she was on a ticket. i'm the same way about Sharpton.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 02:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
this thread is now more about making fun of GOP candidates.


That's certainly true. It's no mystery who most of the folks here are voting for, and so, their objectiveness can be called into question.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 03:14 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
It's no mystery who most of the folks here are voting for, and so, their objectiveness can be called into question.


Like your objectiveness can't be?? rolleyes
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 04:30 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
It's no mystery who most of the folks here are voting for, and so, their objectiveness can be called into question.


Like your objectiveness can't be?? rolleyes


Well, let's see here. Generally speaking, I am conservative. But I'm no Republican. I'm certainly not a Democrat either. I consider myself an independent conservative, though I do find myself agreeing with Democrats on some things. I tend to think both parties do get some things right but are usually full of crap. I hate...HATE...partisan politics. I roll my eyes at Rush Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity as much as I do at Bill Maher or Rachel Maddow. They all have an agenda of some type.

There are things I like and dislike about Obama. I have been pleasantly surprised on how he has handled national defense issues. And while his health care plan may not be the answer, it's not like fixing the system was ever a big priority for the Republicans. At the same time, I cringe to think of what will happen to the Supreme Court if Obama wins another term. And for all the talk about how wealthy Romney is, it's not like Obama will ever have money problems.

And there are things that I like and dislike about Romney. Just because the guy is the same religion as me, doesn't mean I'm in the bag for him. Even if he has genuinely changed his stance on certain social issues, he should have never had different ones to begin with; especially so late in life. Some of these were issues that are pretty black and white, far as LDS doctrine goes, so I expect more from Romney than an Obama-like "evolving of views." I'm also a a big animal lover so the whole dog on the car roof story has always left me befuddled. And while I do think he is a natural businessman and leader, I do also have questions about a guy who has never, and will never, have to worry about living paycheck to paycheck.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 08:04 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
this thread is now more about making fun of GOP candidates.


That's certainly true. It's no mystery who most of the folks here are voting for, and so, their objectiveness can be called into question.


considering it's a site about italian criminals, it's no surprise most people here tend to support Democrats.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 01:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
this thread is now more about making fun of GOP candidates.


That's certainly true. It's no mystery who most of the folks here are voting for, and so, their objectiveness can be called into question.


considering it's a site about italian criminals, it's no surprise most people here tend to support Democrats.


Interesting strategy - come on a forum and then complain that because others don't agree with you they are not objective. Taking a quick look at your posts, I wouldn't describe you as a paragon of objectivity.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 03:34 PM

As if this particular group of Republican Candidates aren't making it so easy for people to ridicule them? It's a field day for jokes. lol





TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
this thread is now more about making fun of GOP candidates.

That's certainly true. It's no mystery who most of the folks here are voting for, and so, their objectiveness can be called into question.

considering it's a site about italian criminals, it's no surprise most people here tend to support Democrats.


confused lol eek clap

Wow, that statement rated a four smiley.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
this thread is now more about making fun of GOP candidates.

That's certainly true. It's no mystery who most of the folks here are voting for, and so, their objectiveness can be called into question.

considering it's a site about italian criminals, it's no surprise most people here tend to support Democrats.


confused lol eek clap

Wow, that statement rated a four smiley.

Funny thing is, I don't know whether to be offended as an Italian American or as a moderate Democrat.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 04:09 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Funny thing is, I don't know whether to be offended as an Italian American or as a moderate Democrat.


lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
[quote=IvyLeague][quote=Skinny_Vinny]this thread is now more about making fun of GOP candidates.



confused lol eek clap

Wow, that statement rated a four smiley.

Funny thing is, I don't know whether to be offended as an Italian American or as a moderate Democrat.



Ditto!! Glad I'm not alone confused lol

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 06:06 PM

Actually it's a site about IMAGINARY Italian criminals from a MOVIE, so I'm not sure how that plays into party affiliation. lol
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 06:34 PM

Don't be offended pizza boy.

I'm an Italian from a very working class Catholic neighborhood in Queens. We usually aren't Republicans.

Italians tend to be from the northeast and have that elitist northern mentality that causes them to vote from Democrats. An example would be calling someone a "goober" because they're not from da Bronx.

I'm an example of a moderate, because I support gay rights and abortion. I also think the cap gains tax is too low and a top tax bracket of 40% should be created.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 06:40 PM

I'm a moderate Democrat. I hate extremes. I've voted for Republicans many times in the past. But this current crop of Republicans (except for Romney) drives me up a wall. The culture war is unwinnable, and Santorum's refusal to drop it is enough to turn off even the most religious Catholic voter.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'm a moderate Democrat. I hate extremes. I've voted for Republicans many times in the past. But this current crop of Republicans (except for Romney) drives me up a wall. The culture war is unwinnable, and Santorum's refusal to drop it is enough to turn off even the most religious Catholic voter.


If the culture war is so lost, why do leftists say "pro-choice" instead of "pro-abortion"? And the people laughing at Santorum's statements about porn would not want an adult book store close to their own home. Kind of hypocritical. Culture war is not as lost as you think.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 03/19/12 11:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

If the culture war is so lost, why do leftists say "pro-choice" instead of "pro-abortion"? And the people laughing at Santorum's statements about porn would not want an adult book store close to their own home. Kind of hypocritical. Culture war is not as lost as you think.


They're not "leftists" or "liberals," but "progressives." wink
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/12 02:24 AM

"Culture War" is one of the biggest oxymorons out there.

One thing the American electorate has lost,or are losing, over the past few years, is the value of leadership in electing officials. Terms like "conservative," "liberal," "right or left wing," "elitist," "evangelical," "theocracy," "Legislating morality," "war on religion, "etc. get constantly flung at each other from both sides in the disengenuous attempt to discredit and distort political opponents, that the terms lose meaning.

The most fundamental question to ask about the presidential candidate isn't what is his/her position is on a certain issue, but rather can he/she effectively lead the nation. If I were a registered Republican, even though my political beliefs are more closely in line with Romney than the rest of the field, I would not be able to vote for him because I don't see any leadership qualities in him. He 's repeatedly put his foot in his mouth and has subsequently had to explain what he meant. He is playing a role more than he is campaigning for office, and I believe this may be part of the reason he can't break away from a less than impressive field. He's undoubtedly a bright guy and a successful businessman, but he has shown me that he would not be an effective leader.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/12 03:27 AM

I agree TB. I've posted before (it's almost a lament) that presidential candidates betray their naivete about being President when they overuse the word I. It's laughable that Romney states that upon assuming the presidency, he will veto the health care reform law. I think he believes he can actually do that. None of them acknowledges the limitations of the presidency and how difficult it can be to work with Congress and a pluralist national constituency.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/12 04:24 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
"Culture War" is one of the biggest oxymorons out there.

One thing the American electorate has lost,or are losing, over the past few years, is the value of leadership in electing officials. Terms like "conservative," "liberal," "right or left wing," "elitist," "evangelical," "theocracy," "Legislating morality," "war on religion, "etc. get constantly flung at each other from both sides in the disengenuous attempt to discredit and distort political opponents, that the terms lose meaning.

The most fundamental question to ask about the presidential candidate isn't what is his/her position is on a certain issue, but rather can he/she effectively lead the nation. If I were a registered Republican, even though my political beliefs are more closely in line with Romney than the rest of the field, I would not be able to vote for him because I don't see any leadership qualities in him. He 's repeatedly put his foot in his mouth and has subsequently had to explain what he meant. He is playing a role more than he is campaigning for office, and I believe this may be part of the reason he can't break away from a less than impressive field. He's undoubtedly a bright guy and a successful businessman, but he has shown me that he would not be an effective leader.



Huh? There are certainly things that Romney lacks but, given his track record as a businessman, the Olympics, etc., I don't leadership is one of them. Some misstatements during a campaign notwithstanding.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/12 05:01 PM

I don't think this was posted on Board. Were any of you aware of Cal Thomas televised comment about Rachel Maddow back in February at the CPAC in a pulic forum. I had forgotten about it. He stated that Maddow was a good reason for her parents to have practiced contraception. To her credit, Gret VonSusteran jumped on him real good and called on him to apologize to Maddow which he did and Maddow accepted the apology.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/12 05:03 PM

Yeah, I remember it, Oli. I don't particularly care for Maddow. She's too extreme for me. But Thomas's remarks were way out of line.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/12 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Yeah, I remember it, Oli. I don't particularly care for Maddow. She's too extreme for me. But Thomas's remarks were way out of line.


What about this remark:

(CNN) – President Barack Obama's reelection organization said Tuesday it was "inappropriate" for Robert De Niro to joke at a campaign fundraiser in New York Monday that America wasn't "ready for a white first lady."

"We believe the joke was inappropriate," Olivia Alair, Campaign Press Secretary to the First Lady, said in a statement.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/12 05:07 PM

I guess because he has dated and married black women all his life, he thinks it gives him joke telling immunity.

It doesn't rolleyes.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/12 06:19 PM

Obama caught shit for Reverend Wright. So what's good for the goose . . . .

Santorum under microscope after attending church service where pastor tells non-Chistians to ‘get out’

During his sermon, Rev. Dennis Terry called on his congregants to "stand up" against liberals, homosexuals and women who have abortions


By Aliyah Shahid / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

It looks like Rick Santorum may have a “Jeremiah Wright” of his own.

The Republican presidential candidate is coming under the microscope after he attended a Louisiana church service this week where the pastor suggested non-Christians should "get out" of America.

The Rev. Dennis Terry of the Greenwell Springs Baptist Church gave the fiery speech on Sunday; it has since gone viral. In it Terry is seen introducing Santorum to the congregation, saying, "I know Rick really well, and he is the real deal."

During his sermon, Terry called on his congregants to "stand up" against liberals, homosexuals and women who have abortions.

"Listen to me. If you don't love America, and you don't like the way we do things, I've got one thing to say, get out!" he said. "We don't worship Buddha, we don't worship Mohammed, we don't worship Allah. We worship God. We worship God's son Jesus Christ."

The 1,400-person crowd broke into thunderous applause as Terry continued, "As long as they continue to kill little babies in our mother's womb, somebody's got to take a stand and say it's not right. God be merciful to us as a nation. As long as sexual perversion is becoming normalized, somebody needs to stand up and say God forgive us, God have mercy upon us."

Santorum — who is trying to woo Christian conservatives like himself — was seen clapping throughout the speech, according to The Associated Press.

On Monday the former Pennsylvania senator was pressed by reporters about Terry's comments in Illinois, where he's campaigning for Tuesday's primary.

Santorum said he did not share all of the pastor's views.

"I believe in freedom of religion and all religions are welcome and should be. I think I've made that pretty clear throughout my campaign," he said.

Santorum also insisted he didn't clap when Terry said non-Christians should get out of the country.

"I do remember him saying that and I wasn't quite sure if he was saying it for himself," Santorum said. “I wasn't quite listening to everything to be quite honest with you. But I wasn't quite sure if he was speaking for himself or speaking quite generally, but I didn't clap when he said it because that's not how I think.”

Since the speech surfaced, some have compared Terry to Jermiah Wright, President Obama's controversial ex-pastor who threw the Commander-in-Chief's campaign into turmoil in 2008 when a video surfaced of Wright ripping American policies.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election...ticle-1.1047510

Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/12 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Yeah, I remember it, Oli. I don't particularly care for Maddow. She's too extreme for me. But Thomas's remarks were way out of line.


She's my favorite leftist talker. I like her.

On the left, I will listen to Hartmann, Sharpton, Maddow and maybe one other person.

On the right Hugh Hewitt, Dennis Prager, and Michael Medved are the best.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/12 08:55 PM

Yeah, Prager and Medved are my favorites.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/20/12 11:18 PM

Pizzaboy - Not surprised one bit, considering his ulra-Catholicism appeals to those Evangelicals and not his own fellow parishioners, as voting % from the primaries have revealed so far.

In short if he actually thought he was running for Pope and not President...he's not winning that race either.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/21/12 07:50 AM







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Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 03/21/12 09:50 PM

The irony about the bumper sticker-like photos above is, all the libs who are complaining about Romney's wealth, probably had no problem voting for Kerry when he was running. And it's not like Obama is pinching pennies himself. So let's not pretend it's so much of a money issue. Because politicians on both sides are often quiet wealthy. But some people are fall for the lie that Democrats really care about helping the poor any more than Republicans do.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 03/21/12 10:38 PM

Ivy, I agree with you on this issue. I think the difference is that Romney seems to be completely out of touch with what the average person deals with on a daily basis. The last two Democrats elected President have been self-made men, so they're able to communicate that sense better than the recent crop of Republicans, with the exception of Sarah Palin.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/22/12 01:13 AM

Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/22/12 03:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Ivy, I agree with you on this issue. I think the difference is that Romney seems to be completely out of touch with what the average person deals with on a daily basis. The last two Democrats elected President have been self-made men, so they're able to communicate that sense better than the recent crop of Republicans, with the exception of Sarah Palin.


Completely agree with your statement.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/22/12 04:02 AM

If you want a geist of Mittnes' problems, consider his spokesman the other day who said basically the campaign is like an Etch A Sketch, and it's time to shake it up and start over for the fall!

Thing is, he's basically right from where he's coming from. But unfortunately his boss is got a reputation earned for being a political Etch A Sketch.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/22/12 04:12 AM














Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 03/22/12 06:15 PM

Dapper, you really buy into this partisan (in your case, Democrat) crap too much. Live another 10 or 15 years and you'll see that both sides are full of it.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 03/22/12 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Dapper, you really buy into this partisan (in your case, Democrat) crap too much. Live another 10 or 15 years and you'll see that both sides are full of it.


At present, the Republicans are a LOT more full of it.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/22/12 06:49 PM

I think that many of these political oriented posts fail to acknowledge that America is a pluralist society the components of which compete with each other for federal, state, and local policies, laws, and funding. It is quite a challenge for any officeholder to discern the components, how representative they are of the community, and to decide on the best course of action or compromise among them.

I have posted so many times before that, on the national level, it is the Congress where governmental power, for the most part, resides. Partisan developee early in this Nation's history and for good or ill, it's been a part of America's political landscape ever since. It will always be despite any outcries for bi-partisanship. Partisanship is based on several factors not the least of which is ideology. Thus, bi-partisanship is far and in between. The competition of ideas is what generates the best attempted solutions.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/22/12 09:21 PM

This is hilarious AND fits well on the BB lol


Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/22/12 09:32 PM

Dapper - I might agree with some of your GIFs, but jesus do you mind not shitting all over threads with all of them at once? They slow my browser down to a bitch. Just take the best one and post it. It's what I try to do with the articles/headlines/whatever that I find online.

Like this article, which...No. No no no. NO! Oh please no! Please tell me he's joking.

Biden '16?

Quote:
Vice President Joe Biden "has quietly assembled an A-team of advisers who would, without doubt, be considered the nucleus of a presidential campaign -- if only he wouldn't be 73 in 2016," Politico reports.

"Biden's age would snuff the last embers of a presidential ambition that led him to a pair of crushing defeats in 1988 and 2008, or so many in Barack Obama's camp thought when they first tapped him. But the old fire crackles yet. And Biden, spurred in part by those rumors about being replaced on the ticket by Hillary Clinton (who turns 69 in '16), is campaigning with a young man's tenacity in 2012 -- with an eye toward keeping all of his options open."


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74335.html
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/22/12 11:40 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Dapper, you really buy into this partisan (in your case, Democrat) crap too much. Live another 10 or 15 years and you'll see that both sides are full of it.


As SC said the GOP is more full of it currently, I vote on the issues and what I think are the right policies (it just so happens to be Liberal most of the time). But I have voted Republican a few times in my short-voting life.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/22/12 11:41 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Dapper - I might agree with some of your GIFs, but jesus do you mind not shitting all over threads with all of them at once? They slow my browser down to a bitch. Just take the best one and post it. It's what I try to do with the articles/headlines/whatever that I find online.

Like this article, which...No. No no no. NO! Oh please no! Please tell me he's joking.

Biden '16?

Quote:
Vice President Joe Biden "has quietly assembled an A-team of advisers who would, without doubt, be considered the nucleus of a presidential campaign -- if only he wouldn't be 73 in 2016," Politico reports.

"Biden's age would snuff the last embers of a presidential ambition that led him to a pair of crushing defeats in 1988 and 2008, or so many in Barack Obama's camp thought when they first tapped him. But the old fire crackles yet. And Biden, spurred in part by those rumors about being replaced on the ticket by Hillary Clinton (who turns 69 in '16), is campaigning with a young man's tenacity in 2012 -- with an eye toward keeping all of his options open."


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74335.html


I saw that the people who wrote some recent political book on Obama said that theres a 90+% chance that Hillary will run in 2016.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/23/12 01:40 PM

Hillary '16 makes perfect sense. Say she stays out of sight in '13, but returns to campaign hard for the '14 mid-terms (think Nixon '66) and then make a national run in '16.

Of course, as much as we mock Makes-People-Sleepy Biden, he'll still be the incumbent Vice-President if he did run in '16. That will come with institutional perks that Hillary won't enjoy.

That said, Biden is a dwarf of a candidate compared to Hillary. But what about the fresh new blood that would campaign, like Andrew Cuomo? He won't be ancient like those two will be.

Fun Fact: Arkansas juts named an airport after Bill & Hillary Clinton. First commercial airport in America to be named after a woman.

(Rumors though claim the original name was Hillary & Bill Clinton Airport. Until they realized that if you shorted the names down..."Hill-Billy.")
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/23/12 04:19 PM

I honestly believe that Biden and Hillary will both be too old in 2016. And Biden's an idiot anyway.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 03/23/12 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
And Biden's an idiot anyway.


No argument there but you gotta like the guy. He reminds me of what Colonel Blake (M*A*S*H*) would be like. I'd want to go out and drink with the guy.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/23/12 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
No argument there but you gotta like the guy. He reminds me of what Colonel Blake (M*A*S*H*) would be like. I'd want to go out and drink with the guy.

Klinger for Veep!

Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/23/12 09:25 PM

I just read these two amazing articles from Bloomberg Businessweek, one about the current economic recovery and the other about Obamacare. Do yourself a favor, take some time and read these with an open mind they really shed honest light on both subjects. A warning that these articles are a bit lengthy but great reads nonetheless.

Lucky or Good? The Truth About the Obama Recovery
http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/15078-lucky-or-good-the-truth-about-the-obama-recovery

Obamacare Has Already Transformed U.S. Health Care
http://www.businessweek.com/printer/arti...dot-health-care

I know most of you think I am some crazy Liberal (am not) because of all the pictures I post up (I post them to promote discussion and laughs) usually bash the GOP. I go by facts and raw data to base most of my opinions. These articles are from the generally conservative Bloomberg Businessweek.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 04:37 PM

President Obama assured Russian President Dmitry Medvedev Monday that he'd have "more flexibility" after the November election, during a conversation that appeared to focus on the touchy issue of missile defense.

Obama, during a sit-down with Medvedev in Seoul, urged Moscow to give him "space" until after November. The conversation was relayed by a TV pool producer who listened to the recording from a Russian journalist. "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility," Obama told Medvedev.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/.../#ixzz1qF1w2Sq0
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 05:29 PM

olivant - Hilarious.

DD - I'm still of the opinion that whatever flaws HCR that passed Congress has, it's a foot in the door, a step forward. Instead of the GOP personalizing this as a conflict by personalizing it as the legacy of a Muslim Socialist Fascist terrorist, they should instead (and I mean "they" like Romney) should instead attack it on efficiency, not the ideology.

And I say that, among other reasons, because what if the SCOTUS upholds Obamacare? What if...well actually Mittens has already disowned his own involvement in HCR, so that's not rhetorical. Because if you totally cede an issue, you lose that issue with the other side (whether it wants it or not) may or may not decide to own it. A short term political rally victory might turn into a long term defeat.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 05:35 PM

If the health care law is upheld, that puts conservatives in a clumsy position. Of course, they rant and rave against activist federal judges and I'm sure that they will construe a constitutional finding by the Court as activisim. However, it was conservatives that provided the impetuis for the court challenge.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 05:37 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
However, it was conservatives that provided the impetuis for the court challenge.

Exactly.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 05:38 PM

Does anyone have any "fair" guesses as to how the Health Care debate will turn out? confused I am fairly confident the entire bill will NOT be tossed but what about the mandate which seems to be the main issue no?


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does anyone have any "fair" guesses as to how the Health Care debate will turn out? confused I am fairly confident the entire bill will NOT be tossed but what about the mandate which seems to be the main issue no?


TIS


Remember when the individual mandate was a Republican invention and championed cause?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does anyone have any "fair" guesses as to how the Health Care debate will turn out? confused I am fairly confident the entire bill will NOT be tossed but what about the mandate which seems to be the main issue no?


TIS


TIS, the Constitution authorizes the Congress to regulate commerce among the states. The Court may base its decision on whether or not that authorization applies to state governments and/or state inhabitants. Since states apply their own laws and regulations to health care and since a case can be made that those laws and regulations affect health care in other states, there is a basis for applying the commerce clause. Does that help?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does anyone have any "fair" guesses as to how the Health Care debate will turn out? confused I am fairly confident the entire bill will NOT be tossed but what about the mandate which seems to be the main issue no?


TIS


TIS, the Constitution authorizes the Congress to regulate commerce among the states. The Court may base its decision on whether or not that authorization applies to state governments and/or state inhabitants. Since states apply their own laws and regulations to health care and since a case can be made that those laws and regulations affect health care in other states, there is a basis for applying the commerce clause. Does that help?


I guess, but it is kind of confusing. confused

Btw, here's a link to the audio of the Supreme Court hearings which I have not yet listened to because I just got it. Today, as I understand they determined IF the Supreme Court would hear the case and tomorrow they discuss the individual mandate.

TIS

http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio_detail.aspx?argument=11-398-Monday
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does anyone have any "fair" guesses as to how the Health Care debate will turn out? confused I am fairly confident the entire bill will NOT be tossed but what about the mandate which seems to be the main issue no?


TIS


Remember when the individual mandate was a Republican invention and championed cause?



No.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 06:28 PM

My guess is that the mandate is upheld. Kagan, Breyer, Sotomayor and Ginsburg are likely to uphold while Thomas and Alito are likely to rule that the Commerce Clause doesn't provide a Constitutional basis for the Mandate. That leaves Roberts, Scalia and Kennedy. Many feel that Kennedy could be the deciding vote, but I believe that Roberts will also vote to uphold the Mandate. It should be noted that Scalia has previously taken expansive views on the application of the commerce clause.

While we all tend to look at this as a political football in an election year, the Justices, believe it or not, have to reconcile their decisions, based upon the principles of stare decisis, and the language from their own relevant decisions. Scalia likes to be conservative, but he likes even more to be consistent in his decisions.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1

While we all tend to look at this as a political football in an election year, the Justices, believe it or not, have to reconcile their decisions, based upon the principles of stare decisis, and the language from their own relevant decisions. Scalia likes to be conservative, but he likes even more to be consistent in his decisions.



Andrew Napolitano of Fox stated last week that he thought the Justices had their minds made up already. But you're right Kly about your analysis of the Justices. A couple of the conservative ones have ruled as you state.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 06:57 PM

I don't understand why mandating insurance for health would be different than mandating auto insurance for driving. confused You can pay auto insurance for years and never get in an accident and never use it.BUT, it's there when you need it. Why can't I opt out? I haven't had accident or used it in years?

As sure as the sun rises, we ALL will need medical care at some time or another. It's inevitable.

smile

TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: klydon1

While we all tend to look at this as a political football in an election year, the Justices, believe it or not, have to reconcile their decisions, based upon the principles of stare decisis, and the language from their own relevant decisions. Scalia likes to be conservative, but he likes even more to be consistent in his decisions.



Andrew Napolitano of Fox stated last week that he thought the Justices had their minds made up already. But you're right Kly about your analysis of the Justices. A couple of the conservative ones have ruled as you state.
j

And did Napolitano say which way he thought the Justices would go?

smile
TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 07:02 PM

TIS, the retort to your statement by conservatives is that one does not have to own acar. Thus, one is not then compelled to purchase vehicle insurance.

I think it's a weak argumant. Listening to some pundits discuss it, they seem to focus on what they believe the Founding Fathers intended whichis limited govrnment. The problem witht at reasoning is that they want the Court to engage in Substantive Due Process which they usually equate with judicial activism which the, in turn, don't like. Substantive Due Process, essentially, is reading in to the Constitution things that are not "expressly" there. Go figure.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 07:03 PM

The following article is about components of the Health Care Reform law that you probably didn't know it contained. Give it a read. I was enlightened by it:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/26/health/health-reform-fun-facts/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 07:29 PM

I hope the mandate is tossed. Why should someone who is self-employed by forced to have insurance while others are getting it for free?

I don't have a single friend or relative who has seen their insurance premiums level off or decrease since Obamacare was passed. And no one really figures they'll benefit once the law goes into effect.

This is especially true of civil service workers. Transit. Port Authority. Health care is the biggest sticking point in negotiations these days.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
I hope the mandate is tossed. Why should someone who is self-employed by forced to have insurance while others are getting it for free?


Why pay taxes at all? I mean some pay more than you, some less, some don't even pay any taxes.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/26/12 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: klydon1

While we all tend to look at this as a political football in an election year, the Justices, believe it or not, have to reconcile their decisions, based upon the principles of stare decisis, and the language from their own relevant decisions. Scalia likes to be conservative, but he likes even more to be consistent in his decisions.



Andrew Napolitano of Fox stated last week that he thought the Justices had their minds made up already. But you're right Kly about your analysis of the Justices. A couple of the conservative ones have ruled as you state.
j

And did Napolitano say which way he thought the Justices would go?

smile
TIS


He thought they'd strike it.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 12:15 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does anyone have any "fair" guesses as to how the Health Care debate will turn out? confused I am fairly confident the entire bill will NOT be tossed but what about the mandate which seems to be the main issue no?


TIS


Remember when the individual mandate was a Republican invention and championed cause?



yep Newt was all over it as well as Romney

"Then-Gov. Mitt Romney, took up the cause for individual mandates as he pushed for universal health care in Massachusetts. Romney claimed victory in a 2006 Wall Street Journal op-ed titled "Health care for everyone? We found a way." In that essay, Romney noted proudly -- and accurately -- that he had proposed the individual mandate in his state, calling it a "personal responsibility principle," and had shepherded the measure through a Democratic legislature. "A free ride on government is not libertarian," Romney wrote. Now a possible favorite for the 2012 presidential nomination, Romney has since distanced himself from the Massachusetts approach, apparently in efforts to court his party's conservative base. "

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/24/individual-mandate-flies-under-the-radar/5

On Saturday, David Fahrenthold wrote that “more than a year after Republicans first pledged to ‘repeal and replace’ President Obama’s new health-care law, the GOP is still struggling to answer a basic question. Replace it . . . with what?”

This shouldn’t be such a problem. Health care is a big issue. It’s been around a long time. The Republican Party should, in 2011, have a position on it. To understand why it doesn’t, it’s worth reading Newt Gingrich’s April 2006 comments on then-Gov. Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts reforms.

“The most exciting development of the past few weeks is what has been happening up in Massachusetts,” wrote Gingrich, or someone speaking for Gingrich, in his “Newt Notes” newsletter. “The health bill that Governor Romney signed into law this month has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system. We agree entirely with Governor Romney and Massachusetts legislators that our goal should be 100% insurance coverage for all Americans. ... Individuals who can afford to purchase health insurance and simply choose not to place an unnecessary burden on a system that is on the verge of collapse; these free-riders undermine the entire health system by placing the onus of responsibility on taxpayers.”

In 2006, in other words, the Republican Party had an alternative to Obamacare. The only problem? It was Obamacare.

Between 1990 and 2007, the reigning Republican theory of health-care reform was that instead of handing the health-care system over to the government, they would put private insurers and personal responsibility at the core of their health-care reforms. During this period, everyone from Bob Dole to Jim DeMint to the Heritage Foundation endorsed this approach. But then Democrats, looking for a compromise, endorsed those same plans. And then Republicans, rather than pocketing the policy win, ran from their own ideas.

But insofar as the Republican Party had a plan for health-care reform, the individual mandate was it. That’s why Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Tim Pawlenty, and Jon Huntsman either passed, endorsed, or expressed openness to an individual mandate. And that’s why Romney hasn’t paid for his plan: Almost every other serious candidate for the Republican nomination supported an individual mandate, too. It’s hard for Gingrich to take a clear shot at Romney for proposing what Gingrich called “the most exciting development” in health-care reform.

It’s also why the Republican Party can’t figure out an alternative to the Affordable Care Act. The Affordable Care Act was their alternative. Now they need an alternative to the alternative. But there are only so many policy approaches that make sense as an answer to our health-care problems. And Republicans have pretty much run out of them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra...N5YKP_blog.html

here is newt supporting it as early as may of 2009

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ay-2009/252233/
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I don't understand why mandating insurance for health would be different than mandating auto insurance for driving. confused You can pay auto insurance for years and never get in an accident and never use it.BUT, it's there when you need it. Why can't I opt out? I haven't had accident or used it in years?

As sure as the sun rises, we ALL will need medical care at some time or another. It's inevitable.

smile

TIS


check this out, i found this helpful

"Justice Stephen Breyer suggested that the rationale for the Anti-Injunction Act—protecting government revenue--didn't apply to the insurance penalty.

"One thing that's relevant in my mind is that taxes are, for better or for worse, the life's blood of government," Justice Breyer said. While the health-law penalty is expected to generate revenue, its purpose wasn't to fund the government but to drive people into the insurance pool, he suggested.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg agreed, saying: "This is not a revenue-raising measure, because, if it's successful … nobody will pay the penalty." "

pretty much sums it up

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424..._LEFTTopStories

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 12:58 AM

Looks like a media narrative that GOP voting % is weaker compared to '08 is actually untrue. It's actually gone up compared to 4 years ago.

By a whooping 2%.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...eCNWS_blog.html
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 04:44 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
I hope the mandate is tossed. Why should someone who is self-employed by forced to have insurance while others are getting it for free?


Why pay taxes at all? I mean some pay more than you, some less, some don't even pay any taxes.



I'm not against taxes. But the Democrats have been pushing this HCR as "affordable healthcare" when in fact it's only going to cost everyone more, not less, over time.

One good thing about HCR is that insurers can't turn you down for preexisting conditions.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 08:04 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does anyone have any "fair" guesses as to how the Health Care debate will turn out? confused I am fairly confident the entire bill will NOT be tossed but what about the mandate which seems to be the main issue no?


TIS


Remember when the individual mandate was a Republican invention and championed cause?



are you Italian?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 04:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

are you Italian?


No, I'm American.

Are you going to use that against me?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 04:58 PM

What happens if the SCOTUS strikes down the Individual mandate but leaves the rest of Obamacare afloat? Different estimates, but basically premiums go up and 12-25 million people increase in the uninsured with 2-15 million dropped from employer sponsored insurance.

So yes Skinny, fuck the people.

http://www.ahipcoverage.com/2012/03/23/the-link-the-impact-of-aca-market-reforms-without-a-mandate/
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 05:27 PM

All indications (for what it is worth) is that it did not seem to go well today in arguments FOR the mandate. I am listening to the audio now here, if anyone is interested. It just started.

TIS

smile

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Supreme-Court-to-Review-Individual-Mandate-Provision/10737429100-3/
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

are you Italian?


No, I'm American.

Are you going to use that against me?


I was just wondering if you're Italian-American. Calm down. I use nothing against anyone.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 06:02 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
What happens if the SCOTUS strikes down the Individual mandate but leaves the rest of Obamacare afloat? Different estimates, but basically premiums go up and 12-25 million people increase in the uninsured with 2-15 million dropped from employer sponsored insurance.

So yes Skinny, fuck the people.

http://www.ahipcoverage.com/2012/03/23/the-link-the-impact-of-aca-market-reforms-without-a-mandate/


Premiums have been increasing and are going to increase even if the mandate stands. No one really believes that the mandate would lower premiums.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 06:05 PM

So you're fine with your premiums up even MORE?

SV, are you American?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 06:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Skinny, are you Italian?


Yes.

Well, my father is from Italy, and my mother's side, my great grandparents are from Italy.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 06:09 PM

Guys, politics is bad enough. It often brings out the worst in us, but don't get into anything else here (like personal background). Steer clear of that stuff, please.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/27/12 10:21 PM

Romney announced that he plans to make cuts, but won't say what he'll be cutting...until after the election.

Or as NYMag in a pisser put it best:

Quote:
One of the things I have found in previous elections is that announcing my plans makes people want to vote against me!


http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/03/mitt-i-wont-detail-plans-because-then-id-lose.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nymag%2Fintel+%28Daily+Intelligencer+-+New+York+Magazine%29
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 03/28/12 12:18 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Romney announced that he plans to make cuts, but won't say what he'll be cutting...until after the election.

Or as NYMag in a pisser put it best:

Quote:
One of the things I have found in previous elections is that announcing my plans makes people want to vote against me!


http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/03/mitt-i-wont-detail-plans-because-then-id-lose.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nymag%2Fintel+%28Daily+Intelligencer+-+New+York+Magazine%29


I applaud Romney.

Why? Because Pelosi told America that Obamacare must be passed and we'll find out what's in it later. So there's nothing wrong with Romney telling us after the election. It's fair.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 03/28/12 01:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


I applaud Romney.


But too hard, or else the vibrations will shake him up and he'll change his public opinion again.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 03/28/12 01:28 AM

This video is funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 03/29/12 03:39 AM

The Pennsylvania primary is next month. The bad news for Santorum is that his lead, which was 29 points not long ago, is down to two points.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 03/29/12 03:47 AM

Plus I hear Newt let go like a third of his staff. I know, Newt who? lol




TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 03/29/12 04:35 AM

Rubio has endorsed Romney.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/01/12 02:18 AM

Is this possibly what it sounds like? In this clip, it seems as if Rick Santorum almost says the N word to describe who he refers to as "Candidate Obama" (insulting in itself).

Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 04/01/12 01:00 PM

That's a funny clip, SB. I'm not sure what he was saying, but the context and syntax suggest to me that he was not intending to use the n-word as it came immediately after the word government. There wouldn't have been a logical basis to insert the slur there.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/01/12 05:41 PM

Not sure what he intended to say, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but what other word would he possibly stop himself from saying???
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 04/02/12 11:08 AM

He was trying to say nightingale... whistle tongue yeah that's the ticket....
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 04/02/12 11:12 AM

This could change of course...

Women swing to Obama

Quote:
Women have helped push President Obama into his most significant lead yet over Republican front-runner Mitt Romney, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll published on Sunday. It shows the president leading Romney 51 percent to 42 percent among registered voters in swing states.
According to the poll of 933 registered voters, women under 50 have swung over to Obama – from half of this group of February to more than 60 percent, while their support of Romney has dropped 14 points to 30 percent.
"The focus on contraception has not been a good one for us … and Republicans have unfairly taken on water on this issue,” USA Today quotes Sara Taylor Fagen, a Republican strategist and former political adviser to former president George W. Bush, as saying.
According to the poll 41 percent of women identify as Democrats and just 24 percent as Republicans.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/02/12 05:41 PM

I must have dozed off, but evidently Mad Men made a reference to George Romney (Mitt's father), former Governor of Michigan.

Thing is, for anyone who watches the show, I'm not certain at all the Don Draper would be a Democrat?? confused

Oh, for those who do NOT know, the show takes place in the 60's. As a matter of fact there was a scene in which Draper and a co-worker were at a Stones concert with the intention of getting the stones to do a commercial. Nostalgic of the times for those of us who lived thru that era. smile

TIS



http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...mad-men/255336/
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 04/03/12 03:28 AM

^^so happy the show is back on

i caught the reference it was subtle
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/04/12 02:55 PM

I'll give credit where credit is due. Yesterday was a pretty impressive day for Mittens.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/04/12 03:31 PM

It was a good day for Mitt but I don't think anyone was surprised by his wins. Hearing Santorum's speech, he's like the "energizer bunny"...he's going on and on and on. lol Although, I guess I can't blame him for waiting at least until his home state of PA has their primary. Yet, even if he does win it, so what? confused



TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/12 03:58 PM

The Pa primary is a beauty contest and it has nothing to do with picking delegates. I think Santorum is positioning himself either to gt on the ticket or to run again in 2016 if Obama is reelected.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/12 04:15 PM

Does anyone think there is any chance Mitt will pick Ryan for a VP choice? confused




TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/12 05:18 PM

By EMILY SCHULTHEIS | 4/5/12 11:17 AM EDT The Center for Health Transformation, Newt Gingrich's health care think tank, has filed for bankruptcy, via the Huffington Post:

The Center for Health Transformation, which Gingrich launched in 2003, plans to liquidate its assets. According to the Washington Post, the group collected at least $37 million from health care insurers, pharmaceutical companies and other industry groups over the last eight years, reportedly offering access to Gingrich among other incentives.

In its bankruptcy filing, the think tank listed estimated liabilities of $1 million to $10 million.

The signs that Newt Inc. was struggling have been there for a while now -- the Newt non-profit American Solutions for Winning the Future folded last June.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/12 07:00 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does anyone think there is any chance Mitt will pick Ryan for a VP choice? confused




TIS


In Ryan's dreams. I think he picks someone from Virginia or
some other "swing state." It is remotely possible he could pick Santorum believe it or not.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/12 08:00 PM

Given the GOP's female polling deficit, it is almost imperative that he select a female.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/12 08:07 PM

I see your point Oli, but something tells me Romney will not choose a female. I'm thinking Rubio.

smile

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/12 08:17 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I see your point Oli, but something tells me Romney will not choose a female. I'm thinking Rubio.

smile

TIS


Rubio has stated most definitively that he will not accept a VP invitation. However, he is a politician.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/12 08:20 PM

You know Christie too said he was not interested and yet I hear he is making an overseas trip. Many point out that it may because he wants some kind of "foreign" knowledge/experience.

I am beginning to wonder if, with the political climate the way it is today, IF all these potentials (ie Christie, Jeb Bush, Rubio) really DO want to wait until 2016. confused Just a thought


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/12 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
You know Christie too said he was not interested and yet I hear he is making an overseas trip. Many point out that it may because he wants some kind of "foreign" knowledge/experience.

I am beginning to wonder if, with the political climate the way it is today, IF all these potentials (ie Christid, Jeb Bush, Rubio) really DO want to wait until 2016. confused Just a thought


TIS


TIS, their being suggested as a VP running mate and keeping up that profile does help them if they are looking forward to 2016.

In anticipation of winning a 2016 bid, Christie is going to Europe to check out its restaurants.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/12 09:23 PM

The VP pick for the GOP will be someone who they think can pull a swing state or demographic in November.

Rubio will be looked at hoping he can swing Florida and Hispanics.

Martinez, from NM is also going to be considered for obvious reasons.

I think it will be Portman from Ohio.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 04/05/12 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


I am beginning to wonder if, with the political climate the way it is today, IF all these potentials (ie Christie, Jeb Bush, Rubio) really DO want to wait until 2016. confused Just a thought


That's my guess. While it may be a close race, they see Obama as almost certainly the winner. So they'll hold back another 4 years and then jump in when it's wide open again.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/12 03:00 AM

I have a feeling Hillary might jump in the race in 2016. I keep seeing her name being increasingly mentioned and her buzz is growing slowly but surely among the young/liberal supporters. check out this site

http://textsfromhillaryclinton.tumblr.com/




Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/12 03:17 AM

I definitely think she'll run.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/12 03:14 PM

Does Weak March Jobs Report Doom Obama Re-Election Bid?

By Kevin Chupka AP

The March jobs report delivered a downside surprise with the economy adding only 120,000 new payrolls, while the unemployment rate ticked down to 8.2%.

Politicians on both sides of the aisle will pounce on these numbers with the Presidential election just seven months away. The question still remains: Just how much will it impact votes in November?

"I don't think there is a magic formula or a specific unemployment number that can guarantee the President's loss or victory in November," says Nathan Gonzales, deputy editor of the Rothenberg Political Report and founder of PoliticsInStereo.com.

Gonzales says it's more about the perception of the economy and not the actual data. If Americans believe the country is headed in the right direction, they will be less apt to change the leadership. This reality frustrates the White House he says, because voters could be susceptible to a sentiment that may or may not match the numbers.

Jobs reports like the ones released today are important, but it's more about the broader trend leading up to the election.

"If (the economy) starts to go down, there's more of a hiccup or a stalling…then that just plays right into the Republican hands being able to say 'look it's time for a change, the President's policies aren't working.'"

If jobs numbers are the more cerebral data point, gas prices are the in your face indicator for the average American.

"If gas prices are high I think that leads to a little bit of sense the country's not headed in the right direction," says Gonzales, "and that would fall on the shoulders of the incumbent president and people may be looking for a change once again."

Regardless of the weakness in the March numbers, Gonzales expects the President to stress overall economic improvement over the course of his first term.

"The economy was so bad that relative to where we were, those numbers start to look better and I think that's what the president is banking on saying 'at least we're not where we were — things could be worse.'" Such an argument is "very different from the hope and change message that we saw in 2008."

Gonzales points out that the same metrics used to handicap the Presidential race are at play for Congress too. And the bottom line is not good for Democrats. If America wants a change they'll take it out on the President and his party and if they are happy with the status quo incumbents in both parties stand a better chance at staying in office. That would mean an increased likelihood that Republicans maintain control of the house.

Will improving economic data lead to a second term for Obama, or will Republicans convince voters the country is headed in the wrong direction?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/12 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I definitely think she'll run.

I think if Obama were to lose in November (and I don't think he will), Hillary will almost certainly run in 2016. But if he wins, I think 2016 will be a much tougher race for the Democrats.

National politics are cyclical. In four more years, it's possible that Americans will be ready for another "change." And if Hillary has the feeling that she can't win by virtue of her party affiliation, I don't think she'll run. Because I don't think she can go through losing again.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/12 05:15 PM

No Pizza Boy, this does not hurt Obama's chances for reelection. Americans are numb to this by now.

Stuff like Trayvon and contraception get 1000 times the attention and are what will motivate people to come out in November.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/12 07:36 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
I definitely think she'll run.

I think if Obama were to lose in November (and I don't think he will), Hillary will almost certainly run in 2016. But if he wins, I think 2016 will be a much tougher race for the Democrats.

National politics are cyclical. In four more years, it's possible that Americans will be ready for another "change." And if Hillary has the feeling that she can't win by virtue of her party affiliation, I don't think she'll run. Because I don't think she can go through losing again.


True, but if Obama wins and by the time 2016 rolls around we are near full employment and the economy is doing good then i beg to differ that most americans will want the dems to continue to stay at the top
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/06/12 10:56 PM

Romney continues gaffgate.

He stated that the President spent too much time at Harvard. The President spent 3 years there; Romney spent 4.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/09/12 05:45 PM

How will Mormonism play this fall? Two answers:

(1) GOP will commit full-throated defense of Mormonism, including by the same Evangelical figures who previously had a history of Mormon-bashing. Potential for over-reach is there if, to put it bluntly, they overload liberal on that front.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/09/the_coming_war_on_mormon_jokes/

(2) It won't (surprisingly) play a major role this fall.

http://prospect.org/article/bait-and-convert
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 04/09/12 10:03 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
How will Mormonism play this fall? Two answers:

(1) GOP will commit full-throated defense of Mormonism, including by the same Evangelical figures who previously had a history of Mormon-bashing. Potential for over-reach is there if, to put it bluntly, they overload liberal on that front.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/09/the_coming_war_on_mormon_jokes/

(2) It won't (surprisingly) play a major role this fall.

http://prospect.org/article/bait-and-convert


The truth is, neither side - the far right Evangelicals or the far left secular liberals - like us Mormons. That's not exactly news. But it will be interesting to see how both handle the issue. Ignoring it probably is the easiest route to go.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 04/09/12 11:58 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
How will Mormonism play this fall? Two answers:

(1) GOP will commit full-throated defense of Mormonism, including by the same Evangelical figures who previously had a history of Mormon-bashing. Potential for over-reach is there if, to put it bluntly, they overload liberal on that front.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/09/the_coming_war_on_mormon_jokes/

(2) It won't (surprisingly) play a major role this fall.

http://prospect.org/article/bait-and-convert


The truth is, neither side - the far right Evangelicals or the far left secular liberals - like us Mormons. That's not exactly news. But it will be interesting to see how both handle the issue. Ignoring it probably is the easiest route to go.


With all the anti-Christian rhetoric out there, there's a sense that "we're all Christians". With the contraception controversy and health care, Tebow bashing, atheist billboards, "Holiday Trees" etc.........there is a greater sense of unity among Christians than ever.

I think being a Catholic is more detrimental than Mormon to a GOP candidate.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 04/10/12 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

With all the anti-Christian rhetoric out there, there's a sense that "we're all Christians". With the contraception controversy and health care, Tebow bashing, atheist billboards, "Holiday Trees" etc.........there is a greater sense of unity among Christians than ever.

I think being a Catholic is more detrimental than Mormon to a GOP candidate.


Mmm, I'm not so sure. I'm not sure being Catholic has been an issue for some time. Kennedy was decades ago. Romney and the Mormons is today. The Evangelicals big thing with Mormons is that, in their opinion, we aren't Christians. So, with Romney, they are sort of between a rock and hard place. They want to get Obama out of office but they aren't very excited about voting for a Mormon. Which could mean them just staying at home instead of voting.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/10/12 12:43 AM

The truth is, faith shouldn't be a factor at all. Faith is a very personal thing, and should stay that way.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 04/10/12 12:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
The truth is, faith shouldn't be a factor at all. Faith is a very personal thing, and should stay that way.


Everyone pays lip service to that idea but it isn't reality. In several recent polls, secular liberals have been even less favorable to a Mormon president than the far right Evangelicals. That's saying something. whistle
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/10/12 06:51 PM

It's official, Santorum finally dropped out. That leaves Mitt & what's his name? Oh yea Newt. lol I assume he'll be next.



TIS
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 04/10/12 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
The truth is, faith shouldn't be a factor at all. Faith is a very personal thing, and should stay that way.


Everyone pays lip service to that idea but it isn't reality. In several recent polls, secular liberals have been even less favorable to a Mormon president than the far right Evangelicals. That's saying something. whistle


Some people will say anything.

Romney did big numbers with Evangelicals in the Florida primaries.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 04/10/12 07:01 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

With all the anti-Christian rhetoric out there, there's a sense that "we're all Christians". With the contraception controversy and health care, Tebow bashing, atheist billboards, "Holiday Trees" etc.........there is a greater sense of unity among Christians than ever.

I think being a Catholic is more detrimental than Mormon to a GOP candidate.


Of course being Catholic is detrimental. And if a candidate is a Catholic, they're probably from the north which also hurts.

Mmm, I'm not so sure. I'm not sure being Catholic has been an issue for some time. Kennedy was decades ago. Romney and the Mormons is today. The Evangelicals big thing with Mormons is that, in their opinion, we aren't Christians. So, with Romney, they are sort of between a rock and hard place. They want to get Obama out of office but they aren't very excited about voting for a Mormon. Which could mean them just staying at home instead of voting.
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

With all the anti-Christian rhetoric out there, there's a sense that "we're all Christians". With the contraception controversy and health care, Tebow bashing, atheist billboards, "Holiday Trees" etc.........there is a greater sense of unity among Christians than ever.

I think being a Catholic is more detrimental than Mormon to a GOP candidate.


Mmm, I'm not so sure. I'm not sure being Catholic has been an issue for some time. Kennedy was decades ago. Romney and the Mormons is today. The Evangelicals big thing with Mormons is that, in their opinion, we aren't Christians. So, with Romney, they are sort of between a rock and hard place. They want to get Obama out of office but they aren't very excited about voting for a Mormon. Which could mean them just staying at home instead of voting.


Of course being Catholic is detrimental. And if a candidate is a Catholic, they're probably from the north which also hurts.

btw- Kennedy was a Democrat. I'm talking about the GOP which I see as a southern conservative party.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/10/12 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
It's official, Santorum finally dropped out.

Well, good for Mitt, I guess.

It's funny, after all that talk about a long and drawn out primary, it looks like, calendar-date wise, this one will wrap up before Hillary and Obama wrapped up their own ugly primary four years ago.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/10/12 07:46 PM

I wonder if it has anything to do with his sick kid? He was just suspending campaigning the other day over it.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/10/12 07:48 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I wonder if it has anything to do with his sick kid?

That will probably be his "official" reason.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 04/10/12 07:55 PM

The headlines should read:

"Santorum Pulls Out"
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/12/12 08:19 PM

Losing 10+ with women in battleground states, You have to fight back somehow.

Romney Camp Can’t Explain How Obama’s ‘War On Women’ Works

Quote:
“His polices have been really a war on women,” Romney told FOX News Wednesday. “Over 92 percent of the jobs lost under this president were lost by women,” a statistic his campaign has cited frequently this week.

But no one from his campaign, including economic and policy advisers, could offer a clear explanation of this disparity Romney has trumpeted on a press call Wednesday.


Of course like the Buffett Rule, that 92% is shockingly like any election season %, pure garbage.

Quote:
It's important for Romney to start on January 1, even though Obama wasn't inaugurated until January 20. Why? Because if you started on February 1, you'd end up with women accounting for something like 300% of all job losses, and that's ridiculous enough that it would give the whole game away. Even the rubes wouldn't buy that.


http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/04/lies-damn-lies-and-mitt-romneys-charts

"There are three types of lies: Lies, Damn lies, and Statistics" - Harry Truman.

EDIT - I would add that most women who did lose their jobs in the recession were from the public sector. But since cutting big evil government jobs helps the budget, this is a mute criticism.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 03:44 AM

I wonder: if not for the NK missle launch and the Martin/Zimmerman story (plus being friday), perhaps the Rosen stuff would've gotten more play in the media?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 04:22 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I wonder: if not for the NK missle launch and the Martin/Zimmerman story (plus being friday), perhaps the Rosen stuff would've gotten more play in the media?


From an economic angle alone, I get what Rosen is saying. But she seems like the typical big-mouthed feminist who would look down on Ann Romney simply for staying home and raising a family, period. Is Rosen even married or does she have kids? Or is she another one of these "modern" types who have fooled themselves into thinking that can have the best of both worlds, only to find themselves years later having given up a family for their career. Old, alone (except for maybe a cat), nothing to show for it, and real bitter about it.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 04:32 AM

Silly women! Thinking they can have a career and a family! Don't they realize you need a penis for that??? Otherwise you end up bitter and alone!

I think that raising a family is the hardest thing a person can do. If that was Ann Romney's choice, why should anyone put her down? It was what she wanted, and as long as she was good at it and happy with what she chose, then good for her.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 05:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Silly women! Thinking they can have a career and a family! Don't they realize you need a penis for that??? Otherwise you end up bitter and alone!

I think that raising a family is the hardest thing a person can do. If that was Ann Romney's choice, why should anyone put her down? It was what she wanted, and as long as she was good at it and happy with what she chose, then good for her.


That was basically my point. Raising a family is the hardest thing one can do. And there's nothing a woman can do that is more important than being a wife and mother. But it seems women - and I used that term loosely here - like Rosen look down on women who are homemakers. Like they're betraying the sisterhood by not fulfilling their full potential. Dollars to donuts her comment about Ann Romney "not working a day in her life" was as much about that as about being married to a rich guy.

And after doing some quick research, Hilary Ronen is your poster-girl for everything that is wrong with some women nowadays. Seriously, they couldn't have created something so objectionable in a lab. She's a lobbyist, a Democratic talking head, and a GLBT activist. Ha! Does it get more cliche than that? Given her resume, her opinion is worth less to me than used toilet paper. Just saying.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 05:09 PM

The sad thing about some women of privilege (and I don't know enough about Ann Romney to know if this applies to her) is that they have never worked outside the home, yet they have little to nothing to do with keeping home and raising children. They are far too busy with their "charity events", shopping and hair and nail appointments. Then there are the dinner parties, hiring and firing of the help, meeting with the caterers and the florist - it's exhausting.

The sad truth in many cases is that those women have no clue about real life, and their homes and children are left in the care of servants.

As for women who work outside the home, I've done both. Believe me, going to the office is a hell of a lot easier. At least you get recognition for a hard day's work. However, as in everything in life, you reap what you sow. I never missed a school trip, play or concert. I made every parent/teacher conference. The homework was laid out on the kitchen table to be checked. My husband helped with math and science, while I supervised English and history. The family ate a home-cooked meal every night, around the table, as a family. I worked my butt off to make sure of it.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 05:26 PM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with mom's staying home with their children. It certainly IS hard work. However, Mrs. Romney NEVER HAD to go to work and does not know what it's like to do so. She had the money for cooks, nannys, etc. Not to mention 2 caddies in the garage as her husband said.
smile

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
There is absolutely nothing wrong with mom's staying home with their children. It certainly IS hard work. However, Mrs. Romney NEVER HAD to go to work and does not know what it's like to do so. She had the money for cooks, nannys, etc. Not to mention 2 caddies in the garage as her husband said.
smile

TIS


You know, when I meet someone, I may ask them about what work they do, what is their profession or job. I expect them to tell me that they are a plumber, a lawyer, a teacher, a ditch digger, etc. In response to that specific question, I don't expect them to tell me that they are a parent. Even if in response to that question they tell me that they are a parent, I would probably still enquire about their job otherwise or I might interpret their answer as stating that they don't have one.

With six kids to raise, my wife was still able to achieve the position of a microelectronics company executive. When she was asked what job she did, I never once heard her answer that she was a mother. When people would ask me about her job, I would always answer that she was a company executive. Although I might volunteer that she also was raising six children, I never stated that in response to a specific question about her job or profession.

So, in that context, TIS is absolutely right.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 06:12 PM

I still remember on a couple occasions someone would ask, "do you work or are you just a housewife?" uhwhat

Do you remember back in the 60's Women's Lib era, the term "Domestic Engineer?" lol



TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I still remember on a couple occasions someone would ask, "do you work or are you just a housewife?" uhwhat

Do you remember back in the 60's Women's Lib era, the term "Domestic Engineer?" lol



TIS


Yes, I do. Roseanne Barr used that in her comedy routine. It was a function of feminist efforts to propagate their philosophy about the universe of options available to women. Of course, the 60s was probably the first decade when women were offered a widespread opporunity to entertain options other than motherhood.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 06:22 PM

Oli,

You wanna hear something that sounds so totally "outdated". It was about 1969/1970ish. I worked as a receptionist in an insurance company. The bosses all had a big meeting to see....get this.....if it would be allowable for women to wear pant suits to work. I'm talking a regular pantsuit NOT slacks & a top. lol I am happy to say it DID pass. Ha ha. Damn, how old am I anyway???? panic lol
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 07:38 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Oli,

You wanna hear something that sounds so totally "outdated". It was about 1969/1970ish. I worked as a receptionist in an insurance company. The bosses all had a big meeting to see....get this.....if it would be allowable for women to wear pant suits to work. I'm talking a regular pantsuit NOT slacks & a top. lol I am happy to say it DID pass. Ha ha. Damn, how old am I anyway???? panic lol


Oh God! Do I remember! Women wearing pants (guys with long hair) occupied a legion of arguments and other conversations around that time.

It was a decade earlier, but there's an Andy Griffith episode (color) where the Taylors go to Hollywood. They're on a bus driving down the street and Opie excitedly tells his father "There'a woman wearing pants."
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 08:52 PM

Obama sticks up for Ann Romney in working mom flap

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-sticks-ann-romney-working-mom-flap-075439180.html
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 04/13/12 09:51 PM

Oli, in 1988 I moved to a unit of my employer that had a large group of women managers. I learned that the most powerful women were...nannies. Not a day went by without several of my female colleagues coaxing, pleading, pampering, their nannies. Some also used free-lance gofers to shop for them, wait for deliveries, find summer camps for their kids. One of my female colleagues referred to hers as "my wife." lol

TIS: In that same era, female managers lived by a rigid, self-imposed dress code. Dark-colored business suits, hose, pleated blouses, closed pumps (no heels higher than 3"), straight, medium-length hair (curly-haired women weren't taken seriously). When walking to meetings, they donned new white athletic shoes with only enough piping to distinguish them from nurse or waitress shoes; white athletic socks with the tops turnd down exactly 2"; toting a bottle of Naya water in one hand (Poland Springs was "tacky"), and a bag holding their dress shoes in the other. They referred to themselves and other female managers as "women"; clerical and secretarial women were "girls" or "ladies." Clerical and secretarial women referred to themselves as "girls," and to managers as "ladies."
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 12:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Oli, in 1988 I moved to a unit of my employer that had a large group of women managers. I learned that the most powerful women were...nannies. Not a day went by without several of my female colleagues coaxing, pleading, pampering, their nannies. Some also used free-lance gofers to shop for them, wait for deliveries, find summer camps for their kids. One of my female colleagues referred to hers as "my wife." lol

TIS: In that same era, female managers lived by a rigid, self-imposed dress code. Dark-colored business suits, hose, pleated blouses, closed pumps (no heels higher than 3"), straight, medium-length hair (curly-haired women weren't taken seriously). When walking to meetings, they donned new white athletic shoes with only enough piping to distinguish them from nurse or waitress shoes; white athletic socks with the tops turnd down exactly 2"; toting a bottle of Naya water in one hand (Poland Springs was "tacky"), and a bag holding their dress shoes in the other. They referred to themselves and other female managers as "women"; clerical and secretarial women were "girls" or "ladies." Clerical and secretarial women referred to themselves as "girls," and to managers as "ladies."


Wow, and what's really amazing is it was in our lifetime. uhwhat "We've come a long way baby" (I know you know where that comes from) wink

TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Oli,

You wanna hear something that sounds so totally "outdated". It was about 1969/1970ish. I worked as a receptionist in an insurance company. The bosses all had a big meeting to see....get this.....if it would be allowable for women to wear pant suits to work. I'm talking a regular pantsuit NOT slacks & a top. lol I am happy to say it DID pass. Ha ha. Damn, how old am I anyway???? panic lol

Hey Tis,

It sounds like you were a regular "That Girl" back in the '60s tongue grin.

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 03:14 PM

Ha ha ha!! I did watch That Girl sometimes but preferred Mary Tyler Moore much more. smile

Hey, look how far we have come. "I am woman, hear me roar."

lol


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 03:23 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Ha ha ha!! I did watch That Girl sometimes but preferred Mary Tyler Moore much more. smile

Funny you mention that, Tis. I was born in '59, so when those shows were on I was just a kid. But Mary Tyler Moore as Laura Petrie and Marlo Thomas as Ann Marie were absolutely my first crushes on adult women as a boy. They still make me goofy, and they're both in their 70s now! lol
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 04:18 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Ha ha ha!! I did watch That Girl sometimes but preferred Mary Tyler Moore much more. smile

Funny you mention that, Tis. I was born in '59, so when those shows were on I was just a kid. But Mary Tyler Moore as Laura Petrie and Marlo Thomas as Ann Marie were absolutely my first crushes on adult women as a boy. They still make me goofy, and they're both in their 70s now! lol


Remember the controversy over Laura's pants and the poll they took? I was in love with MTM also.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 04:22 PM

Capri pants wink smile.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
"I am woman, hear me roar."

lol


TIS

My wife used to sing that song while she was shaking out baby's diapers in the toilet... lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 04:40 PM

Remember this parody from the Imus morning show back in the '90s?

'I Am Hillary'

(To the tune of "I Am Woman" by Helen Reddy)


I am Hillary, hear me roar

I'm more important than Al Gore

I could run this country if I had the chance

Got an office down the hall

Now Bill can't fool around at all

In this White House family I wear the pants

Oh, yes, I'm his wife, but I'm in love with politics

Yes this is the life, I might run in ninety-six

If I want to I will say anything

I'm so strong (strong) I'm un-divorcable (divorcable)

I am Clinton

I am Clinton, I'm un-divorcable

I am Clinton, I am invincible

+ I am Hillary Rodham Clinton
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
"I am woman, hear me roar."

lol


TIS

My wife used to sing that song while she was shaking out baby's diapers in the toilet... lol


I KNOW we're getting off topic, but real quick in response to TB's post. grin

Speaking diapers, when I had my first baby had had like 3 dozen cloth diapers right? When I left the hospital they gave me a few days supply of then, kind of new, disposable diapers. I thought I'd use those but stick with the cloth and save money not having to buy diapers every week. Right after I finished up the disposables the hospital gave me (maybe a few days worth), I thought "hell yea, I'm using these." lol All those new cloth diapers became rags and were also were great for wiping windows. lol


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
All those new cloth diapers became rags and were also were great for wiping windows.

Well they were designed for wiping something whistle.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 09:44 PM

Romney = Don Draper?

http://bcove.me/s4a1c9qz
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/14/12 09:56 PM

Very good. Although I may not have seen a likeness to Don Draper when Mad Men started, I can see the comparison now. smile





TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 04/16/12 06:49 PM

IS there an election anywhere in this thread?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/16/12 08:12 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
IS there an election anywhere in this thread?


Yes. Some Board members have elected an alternative topic (it's all TIS's fault).
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/16/12 08:29 PM

Back on topic: In Gallup's first official daily tracking poll of the 2012 general election, Romney leads Obama 47-45, with 8 percent undecided. A statistical deat heat. This thing might get interesting after all.

Gallup poll: Romney, Obama statistically tied in 2012 matchup

By Holly Bailey | The Ticket

According to Gallup, 47 percent of voters polled are backing Romney, compared to 45 percent who prefer Obama. That's well within the poll's margin of error, which is plus or minus 3 percent.

While both men are doing well within their respective parties, the most notable finding came among self-described independents, a swing voting bloc that could very well determine the outcome of this fall's election. According to Gallup, Romney leads Obama among indie voters by 6 points, 45 percent to 39 percent.

The survey is Gallup's first daily tracking poll of the general election.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/16/12 08:43 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
IS there an election anywhere in this thread?


Yes. Some Board members have elected an alternative topic (it's all TIS's fault).


Oh yea, blame me for everything. lol

DT, I assume you mean a thread in which the BB can vote for President? I think we had one election before last. Anyway, feel free to start an "election voting thread". I'm sure many don't want to get into the political discussion thread but will cast an anonymous vote. smile

TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 11:17 AM

You can make your own predictions here.
My take at the present moment is that it will be very close but the President will win by peeling off NC and taking CO and NM. So final count will be 281-257. Of course new information means new predictions..

Also Nate Silver will be starting forecasts shortly.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 11:31 AM

I think it will all come down to the economy. If it continues its slow but steady improvement, the President will be re-elected. If something unforeseen happens, or gasoline prices derail the recovery, the Republicans have an excellent chance.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 01:25 PM

The Pennsylvania primary is a week away, and while Santorum suspended his campaign some time ago, Romney is still running tv ads attacking him.

One change in our general election here will be the requirement that all voters must present photo id in order to vote. While first-time voters have always been required to bring an id, it has never been required of returning voters, who've been casting their ballots in the same local precincts.

There has not been any problems with voter fraud as the local precinct system has served the Commonwealth well. However, our Republican House passed this measure in a thinly veiled effort to minimize the electoral impact of the young, the elderly, and minorities, who are less likely to have a driver's license, and will be required to travel to a designated licensing center to obtain a photo id.

This legislation came on the heels of their failed attempt to change PA's electoral votes from a winner-take-all (as it always has been) to a division of votes, based upon popular votes within each congressional district.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 02:15 PM

Kly,

I understand that several states are doing this AND you are correct that Voter ID fraud is next to none. I fear that many of the people that THEY don't want to be able to vote, have not be paying attention, will go to the polls and find out they suddenly can't vote. frown


TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 03:54 PM

Guess What State Will See Lower Health Insurance Premiums This Year?

Don’t look now, Governor Romney, but you may need to execute yet another of your famous flip-flops when it comes to Obamacare, the federal law modeled on your own Massachusetts experiment.

It turns out that Romneycare is beginning to work out quite nicely as insurance premiums for many Massachusetts residents
participating in the state’s Health Connector Commonwealth Care program are going down this year—by as much as five percent—representing the second consecutive year of reduced premium payments.

This from The Commonwealth Connector, the agency created by the legislation that helps Massachusetts residents shop for and acquire health insurance:

For the second year in a row, the Massachusetts Health Connector’s Commonwealth Care program will provide private health insurance to eligible residents at a lower cost than the previous year. At tomorrow’s monthly meeting, the board of directors of the Health Connector will vote on bids from private insurance carriers that provide an average five percent reduction in per-person cost. Combined with similar savings achieved this year, tomorrow’s action will save the state approximately $91 million with no benefit reductions or member co-pay increases.

Nice. So, how is Massachusetts pulling off this good news?

According to Lynn Nicholas, president & CEO of the Massachusetts Hospital Association, the positive developments are the result of the major stakeholders in the state’s medical community working together to accomplish some key goals—goals that might look familiar to those who are familiar with the objectives of the Affordable Care Act.

In an article published in Kaiser Health News, Nicholas points out that Massachusetts is well along the way towards converting the state from a fee-for-service medical framework to one “in which caregivers are organized to provide comprehensive patient care, and are rewarded for providing access, quality and efficiency. In such a system providers not only accept increased responsibility for care, they also accept financial risk that was once the responsibility of insurers.”

What Ms. Nicholas is referring to are Accountable Care Organizations, the ‘medical home’ approach to lowering costs while improving health care outcomes that is the at the very core of many reforms found in the Affordable Care Act. More than 1.2 million Bay State residents are now participating in these medical home programs and, from the looks of things, it’s all beginning to work out quite nicely.

Hospitals in the state have also done their part—lowering their costs by billions over the past three years while holding onto their reputation as some of the best hospitals in the nation.

Massachusetts currently has the highest level of healthcare coverage in the country with more than 98 percent of its residents insured. As for the cost of that insurance, based on medium household income, Massachusetts ranks as the 48th lowest state in the nation in healthcare expenditures.

So, what about those long wait times to see a doc?

Things are still rough with average waits to see a family medicine doctor running 36 days (up 7 days from last year), while the wait for an internist has improved to 48 days, five days better than last year’s experience.

While I have no desire to minimize this problem, it is important to put it into perspective—something that is often missed by the opponents of this type of reform.

As Jonathon Cohn has pointed out, the shortage in primary care doctors was underway in Massachusetts —and in virtually every other state in the nation—well before the state reformed their health care system. The following chart would appear to bear this out as we see wait times in Massachusetts running high before Romneycare took effect in 2007.



Other states, with more traditional approaches to healthcare, also experience access problems when it comes to family medicine physicians and internists simply because our medical schools do not turn out enough physicians who wish to practice in these areas. The reason is simple—these doctors can make substantially more money by going into speciality practices. With many doctors coming out of school with $200,000 in debt, who can blame them?

The Affordable Care Act seeks to address this problem by increasing the amount paid to primary care physicians, something Wellpoint—the second largest health insurer in the nation— recently picked up on when they too decided to boost what they pay to primary care physicians treating patients with Wellpoint insurance plans.

The bottom line here appears to be that the Massachusetts healthcare reform is showing some real signs of success and that is good news for us all—with the possible exception of Obamacare foes. The problem of increasing available primary care physicians still looms as a real challenge, but there is reason to believe that adjustments in the pay schedules for these doctors will entice medical students into the field and alleviate the troubling wait periods.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/20...iums-this-year/
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I think it will all come down to the economy. If it continues its slow but steady improvement, the President will be re-elected. If something unforeseen happens, or gasoline prices derail the recovery, the Republicans have an excellent chance.

That's exactly right, Babe.

A year ago people thought Obama had no shot to be re-elected. A month ago he was a shoo-in. Polls mean nothing. It's all going to boil down to the economy. And if it stalls, Romney might just win.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 04:21 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I think it will all come down to the economy. If it continues its slow but steady improvement, the President will be re-elected. If something unforeseen happens, or gasoline prices derail the recovery, the Republicans have an excellent chance.

That's exactly right, Babe.

A year ago people thought Obama had no shot to be re-elected. A month ago he was a shoo-in. Polls mean nothing. It's all going to boil down to the economy. And if it stalls, Romney might just win.


The economy will have nothing to do with why Obama wins again.

It's all about demographics. He's going to get a huge minority turnout in Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia and win.

That's why Obama went on Univision to say that Romney supports racial profiling. That's why Obama got involved in the Trayvon case. He knows it helps mobilize black voters, which is just what he wants. Especially in a swing state like Florida.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


Cool.

Besides, I don't see the big deal about Ann Romney speaking her mind about working women. So what if she never worked a day in her life? It's not like Karl Marx ever worked in a factory. He probably never even met a factory worker.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 04:32 PM

Even the die hard lefty feminists stuck up for Ann Romney this week on the Stephanopoulos show. And that panel is as skewed as it gets.

Begrudging money is un-American, plain and simple.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 04:49 PM

I told my class the other day that I was probably richer than any of them, but I don't feel bad about it. I don't like the use of variable definition words such as fair. I wish Obama would get off that tack.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I don't like the use of variable definition words such as fair. I wish Obama would get off that tack.

I agree, Oli. It does nothing but promote class warfare. The last thing Obama needs to do is fuel the fire by making people think that he's pitting Americans against other Americans.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 05:17 PM

How the 1% Destroys Jobs and the Real Heroes are Everyday People

Mitt Romney & Co. want us to think that making the rich richer will create jobs. That’s not true. And it’s not the American way.

For three decades, we have been told that “trickle-down” economics that benefit the wealthy is the key to creating jobs. But that’s baloney. The evidence shows that ordinary people, not the rich, are the real job creators.

Conservatives like to promote a simplistic view that all you need are capital (cash or goods that produce income) and entrepreneurship in order to create wealth. They maintain that wealth, in turn, spurs rich people to do productive things, like creating jobs, and so the more concentrated wealth is, the more jobs are created. If you tax the rich, they argue, then jobs will be destroyed. Mitt Romney frequently echoes this line of thought by promoting economic programs that would give enormous tax breaks to the wealthiest 1% and concentrate wealth in their hands. Romney, who paid 13.9% in taxes in 2010 and likes to tout himself as a job creator, has just announced a plan that calls for preserving the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, lowering the corporate tax rate, and repealing the estate tax.

Turns out, this ‘trickle-down’ mythology it is horribly wrong, and the 99 percent has paid for it. There’s a reason why the Wall Street Journal acknowledged that George W. Bush, the last trickle-down president, had the worst job creation record in U.S. history. So before we consider having another trickle-downer in the White House, let’s talk about the failure of this idea and why if you want to see a real job creator, you should look in the mirror.

Who Really Creates Wealth and Jobs?

Let’s start with the first contention – that capital and entrepreneurship are all you need to create wealth. At best, this is a half or quarter truth. Capital and entrepreneurship are certainly factors in the creation of goods and services in our economy, along with labor, resources, technology and social capital, among others. But they are by no means the most important factors. The most important factor in the whole list is labor – the human beings who create products or offer services and are paid in wages.

If you really want to see a wealth creator, just look at the grocer, the nurse, the software developer, the accountant, and the civil engineer. They are all creators of wealth. Chances are, you are a wealth creator.

And remember, creating goods and services is just half the story in producing wealth. Right now, businesses are far less worried about a lack of cash than a lack of confidence that consumer demand will pick up in the future. Unless there is consumer demand, there is no production and no wealth at all. No one is going to make a new MP3 player unless people want to buy it and have the money to make purchases. In this sense, consumers are job creators, too.

As Nick Hanauer, founder of Second Avenue Partners, recently told Bloomberg:

“I can say with confidence that rich people don’t create jobs, nor do businesses, large or small. What does lead to more employment is the feedback loop between customers and businesses. And only consumers can set in motion a virtuous cycle that allows companies to survive and thrive and business owners to hire. An ordinary middle-class consumer is far more of a job creator than I ever have been or ever will be.”

In other words, job creation is related to demand. When regular people have spending power, they demand products and services, which leads to more jobs for others to make the things they want.

Does Making the Rich Richer Create Jobs?

Conservative economic policies are often aimed at concentrating wealth into the hands of the few. Does that create jobs? If you look at the Congressional Budget Office’s analysis of income distribution in the U.S. through 2007, you can see that the concentration of wealth in the 1 percent has reach a 100 year high, and that the concentration of wealth has really taken off in the last couple of decades.

So why didn’t job creation take off, too? The fact is that whatever role of capital plays in job creation, concentration of wealth is not necessary – and may even be counter-productive. In a modern economy, capital comes from a variety of sources including internal funds of corporations, the banking system, and the financial markets. Rich people really only play a substantial role in the last source – financial markets. When more and more money is funneled into the hands of the rich, they tend save and invest in financial assets, rather than in job creating businesses. Concentrated wealth has been directly associated with causing wages in America to stagnate and has resulted in wealthy people shipping jobs overseas to improve their personal profits. In reality, it has been a job destroyer.

The rich have largely gotten richer through an explosion in the compensation of CEOs and other high ranking corporate officials – which the very same people who controlled publicly held companies in the U.S. awarded to themselves in the form of outlandish “performance” bonuses. The companies justified these levels of compensation to their shareholders and to the public by relying on increases in the price of their companies’ stock and the corresponding increase in shareholder value of their companies. And, indeed, the period starting in the 1980s corresponded to an historic bull market run in U.S. stock markets.

The single most important factor determining the level of stock prices is corporate earnings. That’s why the historic increase in stock prices also corresponded to the highest recorded levels of corporate profits in U.S. history. And how did corporate management in the U.S. increase corporate earnings during this period? By strictly controlling labor costs, the biggest single factor in the cost of production. The corporateers held down labor costs by subjecting U.S. operations to foreign competition and by outsourcing production to foreign countries. So, at the same time that corporate compensation was sky- rocketing, salaries and wages to rank and file workers were stagnating or declining. As an economist might say, the economic return to capital went up at the expense of economic return to labor. Corporate chieftains cleverly camouflaged the situation and made it more palatable to shareholders and regulators by paying the bonuses in the form of stock options which corporate management liberally priced (in many cases after the fact, illegally and adversely to the interests of then-existing shareholders ) to take full advantage of stock market increases.

Bottom line: Rather than creating jobs and raising all boats, all this ‘trickle down’ economics has benefited the 1 percent only – and tends to sink everybody else. That’s why the rich are now flush with private jets and more money than they can possibly spend, while ordinary Americans have been left with flat wages and food stamps.


America’s DNA

So why does the trickle-down myth hang on? President Obama recently suggested it’s because this fairy tale “speaks to our rugged individualism and our healthy skepticism of too much government.” The President thought that this was “in America’s DNA.” But the President seems to have forgotten that Roosevelt’s New Deal, a series of programs designed to promote economic equality and benefit ordinary people rather than the rich, was the most popular political program in the history of the United States. If we remember that, it becomes very clear that there is something else in our DNA — a sense of fairness and a notion that the hard work of honest citizens is worth more than fatcat financiers hoarding resources and shipping jobs overseas.

We are not a country of aristocrats and peasants who labor at their pleasure. We are a country of proud and free citizens whose labor, investment, and ideas really drive the American economy. Not Mitt Romney’s latest Goldman Sachs windfall.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/154153/h...ple?page=entire
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 04/17/12 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
I don't like the use of variable definition words such as fair. I wish Obama would get off that tack.

I agree, Oli. It does nothing but promote class warfare. The last thing Obama needs to do is fuel the fire by making people think that he's pitting Americans against other Americans.


I agree with you both..


but maybe it is time for some protests. Protesting the injustices that have been present in the American economy especially in the past 25 years and maybe people will actually pay attention and things might change. One thing is for sure, something has to give cause our current trajectory is unsustainable.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/18/12 03:11 PM

"Pitting Americans against Americans" my ass. Give me a break.

How is this any different from every other election? Hell every election pits Americans against Americans. Specifically tactics used to win votes? FDR in 1940 practically called out his domestic Isolationist opponents as unwitting (or closet-case) Nazi supporters. Reagan ran against not just liberals, but their system, Dubya and the GOP ran state referendum efforts against gay people before the '04 elections. Yeah LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 pitted Americans against each other!

Besides, I thought we all agreed the Buffet Rule was a smoke screen? I always thought, still do in fact, that it was simply a tactic to play up Mittens' inherent Gordon Gecko-ness.

Calm down. You're not a socialist or Joe Stalin's cousin for thinking that Rule is cute.

Personally I'm voting against another Iraq/Afghanistan that we'll get next year if Gordon Gecko wins. At least with my vote, there's a chance that it might not happen.

Or might still even this summer get if the latest rumors are accurate.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/18/12 03:27 PM

Hey Ronnie,

Save your anger for someone who deserves it. WTF?? confused confused

Unlike you, I've lived a little bit. And unlike you, I grew up in an urban environment where we were encouraged not to go to fucking extremes, and I firmly believe that no politician is perfect simply by virtue of his/her party affiliation. I was a registered Democrat before you were even a thought, son.

Re-read my post. I stated that Obama doesn't want people to think that he's pitting Americans against Americans. Not that he was guilty of it.

Christ alfuckingmighty, the guy still has my vote. But if people disagree with him in even the slightest way, you practically accuse them of treason. Grow the fuck up.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/18/12 05:30 PM

I don't like Obama's class warfare strategy because I don't care about other's compensation or what others pay in federal income tax. By some standard, I am a fat cat. So, I imagine I could take a hit if Obama's tax strategy gets through Congress.

As I've stated elsewhere, the US economy is so gigantically complicated that to expect a President to fix it is ludicrous. However, I do expect a President to refrain from strategies that pit one segment of American society against another.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 04/18/12 09:18 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I don't like Obama's class warfare strategy because I don't care about other's compensation or what others pay in federal income tax. By some standard, I am a fat cat. So, I imagine I could take a hit if Obama's tax strategy gets through Congress.

As I've stated elsewhere, the US economy is so gigantically complicated that to expect a President to fix it is ludicrous. However, I do expect a President to refrain from strategies that pit one segment of American society against another.
Originally Posted By: olivant
I don't like Obama's class warfare strategy because I don't care about other's compensation or what others pay in federal income tax. By some standard, I am a fat cat. So, I imagine I could take a hit if Obama's tax strategy gets through Congress.

As I've stated elsewhere, the US economy is so gigantically complicated that to expect a President to fix it is ludicrous. However, I do expect a President to refrain from strategies that pit one segment of American society against another.


It's a way of mobilizing the anti white male voters. "The top 1%". When you hear about them you think of a white male who lives on Park and 67th or waterfront property in Palm Beach County or wherever. Athletes and movie actors are exempt. People are outraged that Romney pays 15% cap gains but NY is broke and no one complains about all the Yankees who are tax refugees living in Tampa, like Jeter.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/19/12 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
However, I do expect a President to refrain from strategies that pit one segment of American society against another.


You have higher expectations than our democratic system deserves.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/19/12 07:13 PM

Paging John Kerry, paging John Kerry.



I could see that prospective First Family have a friendly competition with the UK Royals.

USA! USA! USA!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/23/12 08:10 PM

Giuliani endorsed Mittens today.

I know. Big whoop lol.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 04/25/12 10:33 AM

Every candidate does some version of this. The question is since Romney already has a rep for insincerity among his base, will the normal post primary moves to the center hurt him?

Etch-a-Sketch

Quote:
Two constituencies that President Obama is holding onto about as strongly now as he did four years ago are voters under 30 and Latinos. In what is probably not a coincidence, these two constituencies are the targets for the first two major Mitt Romney Etch A Sketch pivots of the general election. After having repeatedly denounced any need for the federal government to subsidize tuition costs during the primary, Romney has now endorsed Obama’s call for extending lower rates for federally-subsidized loans. Romney says he supports the measures “in part because of the extraordinarily poor conditions in the job market.” Apparently, he has been informed of the poor job market since wrapping up the nomination, when he was still advising graduates concerned about debt to acquire a high-paying job.
On immigration, Romney is making the turn a little more slowly, as you’d expect, given the sensitivities involved in holding together his base. Romney has deputized Marco Rubio to craft “his” own version of the Dream Act, a somewhat more restrictive version of the reform that Republicans in Congress killed and Romney opposed in the primary, when he positioned himself on the party’s right on immigration. Romney is “studying” Rubio’s bill.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/12 03:15 PM

Eh?

Quote:
“We’re seeing the Soviets pushing into the Arctic with no response from us. In fact, the only response is to announce the early retirement of the last remaining icebreaker.”


http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0...?ref=fpnewsfeed
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/12 03:17 PM

Is it 1985 again? rolleyes

Rambo, what mean expendable?
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/12 04:33 PM

Those pesky Soviets.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/12 06:05 PM

The Soviets (and now the Russians) have waited a long time for this. They will now have a monopoly on ice harvesting. Thus, they can bring the US hospitality industry to a standstill.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 04/27/12 06:08 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
The Soviets (and now the Russians) have waited a long time for this. They will now have a monopoly on ice harvesting. Thus, they can bring the US hospitality industry to a standstill.

So Senator McCarthy was right after all. I knew it.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/12 02:05 AM

For all the Obama-lovers here, don't shoot the messenger. Just posting the article and the "demotivational" poster below, which I thought was pretty good. For the record, what he's done in terms of anti-terrorism is probably the biggest thing I give him credit for since he's been in office.



SEALs slam Obama for using them as 'ammunition' in bid to take credit for bin Laden killing during election campaign
By TOBY HARNDEN
April 30, 2012


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...n-campaign.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD75KOoNR9k


Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/12 02:30 AM

First Obama gets criticized by Ed and Malkin in 2008 for saying he would attack targets in Pakistan without their permission if he had good intelligence that there was a high value target. Then we hear that that Afghanistan is Obama’s war now. Now that there is good news we are supposed to credit Bush. It’s really just a partisan talking point.

I have followed the entire Bin Laden operation very closely, and am very well versed on the minor details. Osama bin Laden was found because the United States military exploited actionable intelligence extracted by subjecting terrorists to enhanced interrogation techniques (EITs) in secret CIA prisons, by questioning enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay, and by capturing a top al Qaeda source in Iraq.

As long as some people remain intent on keeping political score, it must be pointed out that all three sources of these indispensible data points were direct or indirect results of Bush policies – EITs, Gitmo, and the Iraq war – that much of the American Left, including Barack Obama, fought tooth and nail.

I see a parallel between Obama’s decision to go after Osama and Bush’s decision to go after Saddam:
-Both relied on CIA & other intelligence
-Neither WMDs nor Osama were guaranteed to be there
-Both men were taking big risks based on the best available intelligence.

The fact that one is vindicated and one is vilified for making a difficult decision at the time speaks to the luck involved with hoping you made the right call.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/01/12 01:53 PM

By that reasoning you have to put Jimmy Carter's failed attempt to rescue the Iran hostages in the '70's.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 05/02/12 01:25 AM

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/12 06:14 AM

Anybody followed the gay Romney spokesman who was (allegedly) forced to resign because of the religious right's pressure?

Gay GOPer asks: Why didn’t Romney stand up to right’s attacks on Richard Grenell?

Quote:
But whatever you think of Grenell, the problem for gay Republicans like GOProud remains that the Romney campaign didn’t meaningfullly stand up to the attacks while they were going on As Jennifer Rubin notes, prominent social conservatives were not privately asked to quiet the storm on the right. Romney’s aides may be right on the question of whether Grenell was or wasn’t asked to leave, but it’s hard to see how that changes the broader story here, or makes this whole affair any less of a referendum on Romney’s leadership or willingness to take on extreme voices within his own party.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum...NZlwT_blog.html

Then I read this, as being claimed by Andrew Sullivan, which I'll take with some salt. (Remember his fixation on the Trig Palin conspiracy?) But as he claims, Grenell as the foreign policy spokesman/expert, himself set-up a media call on the subject and allegedly was totally muffled by Team Mittens in response to the right-wing complaints. There only to be seen, not heard.

Quote:
But the storm was not likely to pass if no one in the Romney camp was prepared to back Grenell up. Hence his dilemma. The obvious solution was simply to get Grenell out there doling out the neocon red meat - which would have immediately changed the subject and helped dispel base skepticism. Instead the terrified Romneyites shut him up without any actual plan for when he might subsequently be able to do his job.


http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/...rter-asked.html

This story won't be remembered in detail 3 months later, but I truely think Mittens was given an opportunity disguised as a shit storm of which he could've turned into an emerald cloud, and instead he's covered in manure with no benefits except pleasing the same group of assholes who were going to vote for him in the fall. Like they would've bolted for Obama.

He's the fucking nominee. He won that fight. Allegedly he's supposed to pivot to the center in the next few months, and he took a wrong turn.

Imagine if he had let that spokesman do his thing, total redmeat on foreign policy in response to Biden's recent comments. Alot of those same right-wingers bitching would've felt comfort that in spite of that "problem," this guy with his FP opinions makes him one of the boys.

Or better yet (if self-admittedly unrealistic), Mittens would've released/given a statement to the effect that to fire Grenell would insinuate that he had done something wrong, and he hadn't. Sure Grenell as a gay American is for marriage equality, but a minority of Republicans are too.(Including Dick Cheney and Ted Olsen) We're a broad political coalition. We won't agree on every single little thing, just the broad big picture. It's why we had both Evangelicals and Gay Republicans. Besides that disagreement is pure tangental to foreign policy. Will being straight make Iran quit building a bomb? I picked him because we both agree on our alternative foreign policy to that espoused by the White House. We're not Tehran, we're goddamn America. We're all different.

This might've given an impression on independent/moderate voters that Mittens is about results, not methods. Conservative, but tolerant. It would've won at the least my personal respect, even if I ultimately won't vote for him. I'm sure I'm not the only one. It also would've possibly dampened, even castrate two core themes of attacks Obama is using: (1) Mittens is an extremist (and homophobic), and (2) he's a spineless pussy who's unwilling to stand-up against his party's base.

Instead, Mittens publicly confirmed both stereotypes. Even if he isn't a homophobe, then he gives off the impression that he's a coward unwilling to back up his own people. Obama pissed off his own base with the tax deal he cut with the GOP in '10. Dubya pissed off his own base with his failed attempts at immigration reform. Would Mittens even have the fortitude to attempt either? This raises that question.

For an expected close race, every layup matters.

Quote:
"The Democrats didn't have any pro-life speakers. They stopped them from talking. We had everyone, from far-right to pro-choice. It's ludicrous to say the Republicans were intolerant, were filled with hate." - Ric Grenell, 1995
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/12 06:19 AM



Kevin Williamson at NRO is of the mindset as me on this:


Quote:
My congratulations to Matthew Franck et al. for having successfully chased Richard Grenell out of the Romney campaign, handing the Democrats a nice little example of Republicans’ elevating their sexual obsessions over foreign policy (for Pete’s sake). I do hope that Mr. Romney extends the appropriate gratitude for the manufactured controversy.


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/297455/exit-pursued-elephant-kevin-d-williamson#
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/12 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I think it will all come down to the economy. If it continues its slow but steady improvement, the President will be re-elected. If something unforeseen happens, or gasoline prices derail the recovery, the Republicans have an excellent chance.

That's exactly right, Babe.

A year ago people thought Obama had no shot to be re-elected. A month ago he was a shoo-in. Polls mean nothing. It's all going to boil down to the economy. And if it stalls, Romney might just win.



Agreed 100%. I am already so sick of the "hore race polls" that come out every other day. Its almost seven months till the election, which s an eternity in politics.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/12 05:55 PM

Well, you can save yourself alot of aggravation by realizing that polls are snapshots in time the results of which can persist, but only if the basis for poll responses persists.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/03/12 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Well, you can save yourself alot of aggravation by realizing that polls are snapshots in time the results of which can persist, but only if the basis for poll responses persists.


Pretty much.

Obama is 51% at Gallup. We've got 6 months to go (and those will be a loooooong 6 fucking months), but considering the unemployment rate and Europe and facing now the most "electable" Republican...not bad.

If Santorum or NEWT(!) had been the nominee, Obama's % would've been at least 55%.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/04/12 08:21 PM

Memo to Mittens: Before you hitch yourself to a band wagon on a story, like you did with that China situation, you should check to make sure there is an actual wagon there to hitch you drive off.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/12 05:03 AM

So if Kerry got swiftboated, did Romney get gayboated today?
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/12 12:09 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
So if Kerry got swiftboated, did Romney get gayboated today?


The phony smile and dismissive "I was such a jokester" line isn't going to take the legs off this story.

What's interesting is that one of Romney's fellow bullies in the incident has written how this incident caused him deep regret and troubled him to where he approached and apologized to the victim years later, and the victim reportedly admitted that he had been troubled by it over the years. Yet Mitt has a free conscious...so much so that he can't even remember it. I guess it was just one of many incidents for the prankster.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/12 02:54 PM

Bottom line is he was a spoiled rich kid. And as a man he is an outright liar. Of course he remembered this incident.
He's probably a homophobe too.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/12 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1


The phony smile and dismissive "I was such a jokester" line isn't going to take the legs off this story.

What's interesting is that one of Romney's fellow bullies in the incident has written how this incident caused him deep regret and troubled him to where he approached and apologized to the victim years later, and the victim reportedly admitted that he had been troubled by it over the years. Yet Mitt has a free conscious...so much so that he can't even remember it. I guess it was just one of many incidents for the prankster.


That smile made the story worse.

All this shit just makes what he did last week even more transparent and despicable, doesn't it?

He didn't bother to save his gay foreign policy spokesman because he was terrified of the base to the point of browning his pants. No he might've actually agreed with them that no gays should be within his government. Of course if that's the case, this begs to question why he even hired him in the first place. (Token hire? Window Dressing? Secret Lovers?)
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/12 03:23 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Bottom line is he was a spoiled rich kid. And as a man he is an outright liar. Of course he remembered this incident.
He's probably a homophobe too.


Very true. I can remember every time in my life that I held somebody down against his will and hacked off his hair...because I thought he was "different."

Romney is creepy.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/12 04:27 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Bottom line is he was a spoiled rich kid. And as a man he is an outright liar. Of course he remembered this incident.
He's probably a homophobe too.


Very true. I can remember every time in my life that I held somebody down against his will and hacked off his hair...because I thought he was "different."

Romney is creepy.





We were so poor, that to save money on haircuts, I used to antagonize Romney so that he would hack off my hair.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/12 04:50 PM

Olivant, that was hilarious! You made my day! lol

The parents of Tyler Clementi and Matthew Shepard should school Mr. Romney on what bullying did to their gay sons.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/12 05:15 PM

Uh, oh! Another side of the story about Romney and hair-cutting:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/11/report-lauber-sibling-has-no-knowledge-prank/
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/12 06:27 PM

I tell you, this is SHOCKING - that it was reported by Faux News. Puh-leeze. If he didn't remember the event, why did he apologize?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 05/11/12 11:27 PM

With all gay talk in relation to the upcoming election, I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that nobody here has mentioned Obama's recent arrival (after his long journey of "evolving") to the conclusion that gays should be able to get married. whistle
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 12:34 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
With all gay talk in relation to the upcoming election, I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that nobody here has mentioned Obama's recent arrival (after his long journey of "evolving") to the conclusion that gays should be able to get married. whistle


Looking at his "evolving" record, it looks like a UTurn don't it?

If it was anybody but Mitt, the opponent could accuse the POTUS of being a flip-flopper. Ha!

BTW, isn't it wonderful progress in our country when a sitting President now being pro-gay is now considered a vote-getter? A very long time from DOMA in '96 or the fact that bashing gays was a successful GOP vote driver in '02-'04.

Jesus just 10 years ago, SSM wasn't just a minority position in America, it wasn't even the majority position within the Democratic Party. The majority jockeyed between Civil Unions and LET'S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE! From pop culture to the religious right's failure at Moral Authority, we've come to this day.

In short, thank you Bristol Palin.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 01:33 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
With all gay talk in relation to the upcoming election, I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that nobody here has mentioned Obama's recent arrival (after his long journey of "evolving") to the conclusion that gays should be able to get married. whistle


I agree with him frankly. I have believed this for several years.If you had asked me twenty years ago, I would have said that legal (not necessarily religious) marriage should be limited to man and woman. But whether it was from years of seeing gays persecuted and discriminated against or witnessing them shatter the silly, societal stereotypes that had been forced upon them, I have concluded that they have the same right to commit to relationships as the law affords heterosexuals. The repeal of "don't ask/don't tell" and the growing awareness of the suffering of many young gays have further solidified my belief.

If anyone wants to call my change of position a flip flop, feel free. But it certainly is better than being shackled to a belief that betrays my conscience.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 02:30 AM

I think that once you state your choices, beliefs, or positions on issues and topics, come hell or high water, you should stick with them forever.

That's why I will never forgive myself for going back on my fourth grade promise to marry Peggy Ryan.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 03:16 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant

That's why I will never forgive myself for going back on my fourth grade promise to marry Peggy Ryan.


Sounds like a good Catholic girl from Pittsburgh.

For me it was Paulette Valvano.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 03:27 AM

I've mentioned it before but do so again simply because it's pertinent to this topic. I'm religious, and a conservative independent, but have two gay brothers. Of course, one doesn't need to have family members to see that bullying others is wrong. At the same time, it's hardly "progress" when marriage is being redefined in our society.

I suppose I could go on about this, with it mostly falling on deaf ears, so I'll just sum it up like this. If I'm the devil, the trick here is to play both ends against the middle on this issue. (Like many issues.) On one hand, if I can get people to persecute and bully gay people, I win. On the other hand, if I can get people to do a total 180 and not only look at homosexual behavior as OK, but legitimize it through legal marriage, I win again. People have forgotten that sin often wears the mask of tolerance.

Sermon over.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 04:06 AM

Well this is fascinating.

Top GOP Pollster to GOP: Reverse On Gay Issues

From a pollster that worked Dubya's '04 campaign, he sends out this talking points memo to the party establishment.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-habe...age-123235.html

The last passage I liked, and it does approach SSM from a right-wing perspective:

Quote:
Conservative fundamentals: “As people who promote personal responsibility, family values, commitment and stability, and emphasize freedom and limited government we have to recognize that freedom means freedom for everyone. This includes the freedom to decide how you live and to enter into relationships of your choosing, the freedom to live without excessive interference of the regulatory force of government."


Isn't that a great answer?

The memo also listed out topics which most polled Republicans (and American public) support on the Gay topic, and this brings up something I wondered about Mittens' campaign.

Before Obama's bombshell announcement this week, why didn't Romney exploit Obama's public kubaki dance on that issue? For an issue the public is polling upwards against the anti-gay forces, Romney could've taken a considerable chunk of the political centre while Obama had taken that issue for his for granted.

He still would've been publicly against SSM because of that base, but he could've done his own moderate public gestures on little things. For instance, support an anti-discrimination bill that would prevent employers from firing employees simply for their orientation. Give domestic partnerships the right to visit their partners in the hospital. Legal protection in some form for gay couples whether it be same sex marriage or domestic partnership (only 29% of GOPers oppose legal recognition in any form).

But he didn't. None of that. Not even a token public defense of his own spokesman last week. And this week happens, and Obama takes the centre for himself when Mittens could've raided for himself.

That's a lesson kids: When there's an opening, TAKE IT.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 06:19 AM

In response to the above, conservative radio host Michael Medved often says conservatives aren't saying gays can't get married. They're saying don't expect government sponsorship of it.

And, as far as Romney is concerned, he has said he doesn't have a problem with gay partners having hospital visitation rights and certain other things. But not equating their relationships to "marriage."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
In response to the above, conservative radio host Michael Medved often says conservatives aren't saying gays can't get married. They're saying don't expect government sponsorship of it.


Without legal rights like property protection that you and me take for granted.

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


And, as far as Romney is concerned, he has said he doesn't have a problem with gay partners having hospital visitation rights and certain other things. But not equating their relationships to "marriage."


He should've made a considerable deal of this instead of mumbling about it in a token measure.

God forbid he probably was afraid of he had put more effort, Sean Hannity might whine.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 06:38 PM

Romney gave a commencement address at Liberty University, where you can take such courses like this:

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Page 173. Graduate course Theology 678—Western and New Religions.

Course description:

"The history, doctrines, and present state of the major cults such as Mormonism, Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventism. The course will also include a study of the Occult Movement. Emphasis is placed on the errors of these groups and on methods and materials for confronting them effectively."

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http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/romney-...rmonism-a-cult/
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
God forbid he probably was afraid of he had put more effort, Sean Hannity might whine.

The last thing independent voters want to see is Mitt pander to Faux News. It's really sad that even level headed conservatives have to live in fear of those assholes.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 06:45 PM

Tony Perkins (Family Research Council) was on Piers Morgan this past week. Piers asked him how he'd react if one of his kids said that he was gay:

MORGAN: What would you do if one of them came home and said, dad, I'm gay?

PERKINS: Well, we would have a conversation about it. I doubt that would happen with my children as we are teaching them the right ways that they are to interact as human beings, we're not allowing them to be indoctrinated by the education system.

Apparently, Dick Cheney did not teach his daughter Liz Cheney the right ways since Liz is a lesbian.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 05/12/12 09:45 PM

I don't think the gay marriage issue will be all that important in the fall.
And despite some people's wildly overblown fears or other equally overblown triumphalism PBO's opinion on same sex marriage is more or less irrelevant to the states which have banned it. Short of a SC decision throwing out DOMA or eliminating all bans, I think the changes will continue to be gradually done at state levels.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 05/13/12 01:59 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Romney gave a commencement address at Liberty University, where you can take such courses like this:

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Page 173. Graduate course Theology 678—Western and New Religions.

Course description:

"The history, doctrines, and present state of the major cults such as Mormonism, Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventism. The course will also include a study of the Occult Movement. Emphasis is placed on the errors of these groups and on methods and materials for confronting them effectively."

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http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/romney-...rmonism-a-cult/


No surprise there. It's a private college in the south. I imagine Romney will do what he can do reach out to the Evengelicals but, for many of them, their dislike of Mormons is fixed and there's no getting around it.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/13/12 02:05 AM

We evolve, and so should the law.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 05/13/12 01:28 PM

I had previously posted that the Republican House in the PA legislature passed a law that all voters must now show photo ID before they can vote. They claimed it was to combat voter fraud although that has not been an issue in PA elections. The effect (as well as the veiled purpose) of the law is to impede the ability of the elderly, young, poor. minority and inner city residents to vote as they are less likely to possess a photo driver's license. The legislature stated that those people can appear at a regional PennDOT office to get a state photo ID for free.

However, they must have a certified birth certificate, which is pricy and other forms of id. It's absolutely insane that the legislature has made it more difficult to obtain the ID necessary to vote than to register to vote in the first place. What's more, residents, who were born outside of PA, are required to obtain certified birth certificates in person for some states.

If you do not have a driver's license in PA, brace yourselves financially and prepare for red tape if you want to vote.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/13/12 02:01 PM

My SIL is legally blind, and therefore has never had a driver's license. However, a photo ID has become necessary for so many things that she went to the Department of Motor Vehicles and applied for a NYS Non-Driver's License.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 05/13/12 03:00 PM

Original geschrieben von: Sicilian Babe
a NYS Non-Driver's License.

??
which is a license for what?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/13/12 06:15 PM

It's just a photo ID card issued through the Department of Motor Vehicles, but they mark it "Non-Driver's" because it looks just like a Driver's License.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/16/12 04:05 PM

The other night on Letterman's Top Ten, he did the "Ten Most Unpopular Baby Names."

John Edwards Jr. topped the list lol lol.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 01:26 AM

And to think I actually did some campaigning for Edwards to get the nomination rolleyes
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 01:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
And to think I actually did some campaigning for Edwards to get the nomination rolleyes


Have you ever listened to Michael Medved's radio show. He absolutely detest Edwards and has done so going way back tot he last election. I've never heard him explain why except that Edwards is a trial lawyer. Of course, I know that Medved also detests trial lawyers in general.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 01:37 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
And to think I actually did some campaigning for Edwards to get the nomination rolleyes


Have you ever listened to Michael Medved's radio show. He absolutely detest Edwards and has done so going way back tot he last election. I've never heard him explain why except that Edwards is a trial lawyer. Of course, I know that Medved also detests trial lawyers in general.


Not surprised he hates Edwards. Medved is a flaming neocon.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 03:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don

Not surprised he hates Edwards. Medved is a flaming neocon.


I knew you were a lib, Dapper, but you calling Medved a "flaming neocon" shows me just how much. Medved is probably the most moderate of the talk show hosts on conservative talk radio. Blowhards like Limbaugh and Hannity get the press but Michael Medved or Dennis Prager are much better.

And as for Edwards, is it really a mystery why somebody wouldn't like that guy? He's the poster boy for the slimy, corrupt lawyer/politician if there ever was one. But, hey, he's a liberal Democrat so he's not going to get too much criticism on this board. rolleyes
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 03:50 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don

Not surprised he hates Edwards. Medved is a flaming neocon.


I knew you were a lib, Dapper, but you calling Medved a "flaming neocon" shows me just how much. Medved is probably the most moderate of the talk show hosts on conservative talk radio. Blowhards like Limbaugh and Hannity get the press but Michael Medved or Dennis Prager are much better.

And as for Edwards, is it really a mystery why somebody wouldn't like that guy? He's the poster boy for the slimy, corrupt lawyer/politician if there ever was one. But, hey, he's a liberal Democrat so he's not going to get too much criticism on this board. rolleyes


Your right Medved and co. are much better than Limbaugh, but not by much. I am a liberal but not a super one as my previous comment might suggest. Moderately Liberal and Fiscally Conservative is just right. But in reality, I support policy positions that are supported by non-partisan data which makes sense regardless of partisan label.

I am not too familiar with Dennis Prager or Medved, but from a quick google search for Prager he seems to be a conservative that touts his political and social views from Judeo-Christian values. I respect that, I am just not that big on religion as a guiding principle for my policy positions thats all.

As for Edwards, besides the current hoopla he finds himself in he was never accused of being corrupt in the past. I supported him because he had many good ideas for the economy and particularly poverty which he is well known for.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 03:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don


Your right Medved and co. are much better than Limbaugh, but not by much. I am a liberal but not a super one as my previous comment might suggest. Moderately Liberal and Fiscally Conservative is just right. But in reality, I support policy positions that are supported by non-partisan data which makes sense regardless of partisan label.

I am not too familiar with Dennis Prager or Medved, but from a quick google search for Prager he seems to be a conservative that touts his political and social views from Judeo-Christian values. I respect that, I am just not that big on religion as a guiding principle for my policy positions thats all.


Both Medved and Prager are Jewish, as well as proponents of the Judeo-Christian influence in America. The difference is, they tend to frame their arguments and thinking in more intelligent and convincing ways than many of the others, who are just talking heads. Both Medved and Prager have a lot of liberal listeners, though obviously they don't always agree with them.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 03:57 AM

DD, you're right about Prager. Of all the radio talk show hosts, he's most frequently a commnetator on Fox, Meagan Kelly, especially. He reminds me alot of Michael Reagan both physically and viewswise.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 04:01 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don


Your right Medved and co. are much better than Limbaugh, but not by much. I am a liberal but not a super one as my previous comment might suggest. Moderately Liberal and Fiscally Conservative is just right. But in reality, I support policy positions that are supported by non-partisan data which makes sense regardless of partisan label.

I am not too familiar with Dennis Prager or Medved, but from a quick google search for Prager he seems to be a conservative that touts his political and social views from Judeo-Christian values. I respect that, I am just not that big on religion as a guiding principle for my policy positions thats all.


Both Medved and Prager are Jewish, as well as proponents of the Judeo-Christian influence in America. The difference is, they tend to frame their arguments and thinking in more intelligent and convincing ways than many of the others, who are just talking heads. Both Medved and Prager have a lot of liberal listeners, though obviously they don't always agree with them.


Glad to hear they arent talking heads like Rush. Look I have nothing against these views. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion on everything. I just have a problem with people (like Rush) when they start attacking others personally, racially, etc just because they are from the opposite side of the aisle.

As far as religious influence, one of my personal goals is to work toward becoming a better Catholic (going to mass, etc) so I have no qualms about religion.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
As far as religious influence, one of my personal goals is to work toward becoming a better Catholic (going to mass, etc) so I have no qualms about religion.

Glad to hear it, Dap. If you find yourself in Throggs Neck, stop by Saint Benedict's smile.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
And as for Edwards, is it really a mystery why somebody wouldn't like that guy? He's the poster boy for the slimy, corrupt lawyer/politician if there ever was one. But, hey, he's a liberal Democrat so he's not going to get too much criticism on this board. rolleyes


Yes, because all of us think alike. We love to sing the praises of a pig who turned his back on his wife and the mother of his children when she was dying. Also, we love the fact that he's dragging her name through the mud, and her children are standing by him because, realistically, he's all they have left in the world. Yum. What a catch he is for the next Mrs. Edwards. rolleyes
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 05:11 PM

I'm a liberal Democrat, and I wish Edwards was eligible for the death penalty.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
DD, you're right about Prager. Of all the radio talk show hosts, he's most frequently a commnetator on Fox, Meagan Kelly, especially. He reminds me alot of Michael Reagan both physically and viewswise.


My mistake. I meant Mike Gallagher
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
We evolve, and so should the law.


Are you telling this to the same group that prefers creationism to evolution being taught in the schools?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco


Are you telling this to the same group that prefers creationism to evolution being taught in the schools?


You ever see moms at a public place, maybe restaurants or theatres, and their kid(s) goes absolutely bratty & spoiled so mom drags them out by the ear?
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 05/17/12 11:30 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
As far as religious influence, one of my personal goals is to work toward becoming a better Catholic (going to mass, etc) so I have no qualms about religion.

Glad to hear it, Dap. If you find yourself in Throggs Neck, stop by Saint Benedict's smile.


What a coincidence, I used to go to Saint Benedict's until about the age of 12 before I moved to another part of the Bronx. It is a beautiful church.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/12 08:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
We evolve, and so should the law.


Are you telling this to the same group that prefers creationism to evolution being taught in the schools?


That's the irony of the whole issue. Evolving? It shows the exact opposite: The decline of our society. I mean, the fact that we're even talking about gay marriage shows just how bad things have gotten. And the real kicker is people thinking it's a good thing. That it's progress. Truly, good has become evil and evil good. Black is now white, and white is now black.

Well, I expect this from the secular crowd who have eschewed religion. They don't know any better. That's the trap of ignorance. You don't know what you don't know. But to see self-professed religious people in favor of gay marriage is really disappointing. I mean, this isn't one of those grey issues that can be left to open interpretation. The scriptures are pretty dang clear. So all I see is people wanting their religion/church to change with the times. And, as Samuel Callan said, the church that weds itself to the culture of the day becomes a widow with each succeeding age.

As for the other topic, while I don't necessarily think creationism should be taught in schools, I don't think evolution should be taught as fact in schools either. It's like the "theory" in "theory of evolution" has somehow been forgotten and now people just take it as proven fact we descended from apes.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/12 09:02 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'm a liberal Democrat, and I wish Edwards was eligible for the death penalty.


If you're a liberal Democrat you truly belong in the Catholic Church.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/12 09:04 AM

I like Prager and Hewitt. I even buy their sponsors' products when I can. We need voices like theirs on the air.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/18/12 02:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
What a coincidence, I used to go to Saint Benedict's until about the age of 12 before I moved to another part of the Bronx. It is a beautiful church.

Yes, it is.

We're geographically closer to Saint Frances de Chantal, but choose to attend Mass at Saint Benedict's because it's older and just seems to be a bit more traditional. Plus, all three of my kids attended grade school at St. Benedict's.

Did you go to school there, Dapper? I only ask because my oldest daughter is just about your age (She's 24 now), and it's possible that the two of you might have crossed paths. She was enrolled at St. Benedict's from 1993-2002.

But in the words of Tony Montana, She is not for you! tongue lol
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 05/19/12 02:36 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
What a coincidence, I used to go to Saint Benedict's until about the age of 12 before I moved to another part of the Bronx. It is a beautiful church.

Yes, it is.

We're geographically closer to Saint Frances de Chantal, but choose to attend Mass at Saint Benedict's because it's older and just seems to be a bit more traditional. Plus, all three of my kids attended grade school at St. Benedict's.

Did you go to school there, Dapper? I only ask because my oldest daughter is just about your age (She's 24 now), and it's possible that the two of you might have crossed paths. She was enrolled at St. Benedict's from 1993-2002.

But in the words of Tony Montana, She is not for you! tongue lol


Nope, I went to public schools my entire life until I went off to college.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 05/24/12 05:39 PM

Looks like Florida is going to be a tight one. Quinnipiac has Romney with a 6 point edge right now.

Mitt Romney Leads Obama In Florida, Quinnipiac Poll Shows

The Huffington Post | By Luke Johnson

Mitt Romney has broken into a slight lead in Florida over President Barack Obama, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday.

The former Massachusetts governor leads Obama by a 47-41 margin. A May 3 survey showed the two tied at 44-43, and Obama led by a 49-42 margin in a March 28 poll. Other recent polls had shown the two tied or Obama with a slight lead.

Obama won Florida in 2008 by 2.8 percent of the vote. The state swung Republican in 2010, with Republicans winning all statewide offices and picking up four U.S. House seats. Democrats are hoping for a 2008-like turnout to put Obama over the top in the perennial swing state.

Romney leads with independent voters by a 44-36 margin, with men by a 50-37 margin and with whites by a 56-33 margin, according to the poll. Women favor Obama by a 45-44 edge, but blacks favor him by an 85-3 margin and Hispanics by a slim 42-40 edge.

While Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) has been touted as a vice-presidential candidate to help put Florida squarely in the GOP column, Romney's lead only increased to 49-41 when Rubio's name was added to the poll.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 05/24/12 06:37 PM

To paraphrase Hedley Lamarr in Blazing Saddles: "You conservatives and Republicans on the Board, rest your sphincters. Arizona says President Obama is a citizen." Consequently, he can be on the Arizona presidential ballot.

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...-a-citizen?lite
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 05/27/12 07:48 PM

Few pundits express themselves with succinct clarity as George Will. On "This Week" he referred to Donald Trump as a "bloviating ignoramus," and as "redundant proof that in Americaif your net worth is high, you can have a very low IQ, and still intrude in politics."

Essentially he was criticizing Romney's decision to appear with Trump in a Nevada event this week as politically stupid.
Posted By: Don Smitty

Re: Election 2012 - 05/31/12 12:57 PM

Both of them suck!
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 05/31/12 02:44 PM

Yes, but Trump has the worst hair.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 06/05/12 02:53 AM

Washington (CNN) - With just over five months to go until the November election, a new CNN Electoral Map indicates a tight battle between President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney for the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House. According to the CNN map unveiled Monday, the president leads Romney in 19 states and the District of Columbia, which if he carried those in the general election would give him 247 electoral votes. Romney, the unofficial GOP presidential nominee pending the party's convention, leads in 24 states, which would give him 206 electoral votes.

The map currently indicates that seven states are true toss-ups. Those states are Colorado (9 electoral votes), Florida (29), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), New Hampshire (4), Ohio (18) and Virginia (13). Eighty-five electoral votes are up for grabs in those seven states. Four states currently lean towards Obama: Michigan (16), New Mexico (5), Pennsylvania (20) and Wisconsin (10). Four states currently lean towards Romney: Arizona (11), Indiana (11), Missouri (10), and North Carolina (15).
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 06/05/12 05:30 AM

im going to ignore all these polls until around Sept/Oct...
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 06/12/12 04:19 PM

Coming from Republicans, this is kind of startling:

As a conservative Republican, Lindsey Graham has never had a problem promising not to raise taxes. Like almost every other
Republican member of Congress, during his last re-election campaign, he signed the anti-tax pledge put forth by Grover Norquist's group Americans for Tax Reform.

But now Graham says the debt crisis is so severe that the tax pledge — which says no tax loopholes can be eliminated unless every dollar raised by closing loopholes goes to tax cuts -- has got to go.

http://us.mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=bpujg5t3mgbpr

Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 06/12/12 05:26 PM

I thought that pledge was pretty silly when they did it for publicity reasons. Similarly when the new Congress in 2010 began their session by taking turns reading a selectively edited version of the Constitution, and pledging that any introduced legislation must have references to Constitutional provisions supporting the proposed measure.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/12 05:21 AM


Apparently Mitt Romney really liked the sandwich computer at Wawa -- the same touch-screen ordering system I've been using for years at Wawa ... because I don't have a private chef.

Quote:
"You press a little touchtone key pad… You touch this, touch this, touch this, go pay the cashier, and there's your sandwich," Romney said. "It's amazing!"


There's our next president. rolleyes
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 06/17/12 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Apparently Mitt Romney really liked the sandwich computer at Wawa -- the same touch-screen ordering system I've been using for years at Wawa ... because I don't have a private chef.

Quote:
"You press a little touchtone key pad… You touch this, touch this, touch this, go pay the cashier, and there's your sandwich," Romney said. "It's amazing!"


There's our next president. rolleyes


lol Did you see the clip of him trying to describe the "chocolate goodie" thing....aka donut? lol Cut poor Mitt some slack though. He's probably distracted while he is having his car elevator installed in his home. lol


http://www.mediaite.com/online/mitt-romney-apparently-doesnt-know-what-a-donut-is/


TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 06/19/12 11:35 PM

Politicians are hypocrites who will say and do anything to get or stay elected. That said it is sadly humorous to see the President create an effective change in law thru " prosecutorial discretion" when previously he had said he could not legally do that while Romney, who just a few months back was talking smack about how he would veto the Dream Act, suddenly can't be bothered to take a definitive stand against the President's administrative implementation of much of the substance of the Dream Act.

Romney's weak response to something which is toxic to the much of the conservative base is not something which will get those hardliner voters out-unless they are willing to hold their nose just to vote against the President. Some will, but others are making noises that they may not.

http://www.examiner.com/article/predicti...ion-enforcement

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/303036/romney-screws-pooch-immigration-mark-krikorian

The other thing is that the President's move pulled the carpet out from under Senator Rubio's proposed legislation and may have reduced if not eliminated Rubio's value to Romney as a running mate. I don't think Rubio endeared himself to the base by saying he would have entered the country illegally if he felt it necessary.

I wish I could say it's my insight but numerous people have pointed out how passing strange it is that in some respects both parties have switched their usual tactics/talking points this year. The Democrats would love to talk about "social issues" and national security while the Republicans would like to stay focused on the economy.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/20/12 01:37 PM

Mitt Romney: Marco Rubio Being 'Thoroughly Vetted' For Vice President

By STEVE PEOPLES and KASIE HUNT, The Huffington Post

HOLLAND, Mich. — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Tuesday that his campaign is "thoroughly vetting" Marco Rubio as it searches for a running mate despite reports that the Florida senator is not being considered.

ABC News and The Washington Post cited unnamed advisers in reporting that Rubio, R-Fla., wasn't on the short list for the No. 2 spot on the GOP ticket.

"I can't imagine who such people are, but I can tell you this: They know nothing about the vice presidential selection or evaluation process," Romney told reporters Tuesday evening outside a Michigan ice cream shop. "The story was entirely false. Marco Rubio is being thoroughly vetted as part of our process."

Earlier in the day, Romney had refused to comment on reports that Rubio, a rising star in Republican politics, wasn't under consideration as a potential running mate.

The presumptive GOP nominee initially told Fox News only that "a number of people are being vetted" but that only two people – he and a senior adviser – know who's on the list. He repeated that statement Tuesday evening but clarified Rubio's status as a potential vice presidential pick.

The statement was an unusual departure from the secrecy that has surrounded Romney's process in selecting a running mate. But it speaks, in part, to Rubio's political influence among the Republican base and Hispanic voters.

Two Romney representatives would not say if or when Rubio had submitted paperwork for the vetting process.

The unanswered question was among several that lingered Tuesday as Romney's campaign sought to counter media reports suggesting that Romney had bypassed one of the most popular Hispanic leaders serving in elected office.

Less than a week ago, President Barack Obama won praise from Hispanic groups for announcing a plan allowing some young illegal immigrants to stay in the United States legally. Polls suggest that Hispanics overwhelmingly support Obama, but Romney and the GOP have been working to broaden their appeal among the growing demographic.

The vetting flap came on the day Rubio released a memoir and Romney's concluded a six-state bus tour. The Florida Democratic Party blasted a message to reporters titled: "Rubio fails preliminary review in Veepstakes."

Asked about the reports during an appearance on Fox News, Rubio also refused to weigh in.

"I'm not commenting on the vice presidential process," he said. "That's been basically what we've said the whole time because, out of respect for Gov. Romney, the last thing he needs is to have to be addressing questions about this because really the campaign's not about that."

Rubio's exclusion from Romney's short list would disappoint some conservative activists, but it would not come as a complete surprise. While he offers obvious political benefits as a Hispanic leader from the swing state of Florida, Romney advisers have consistently said that Romney would give preference to those candidates with the greatest experience and ability to lead the nation on Day One. It's a reflection both of Romney's philosophy and lessons from the selection of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin four years ago as the GOP running mate.

A former state lawmaker, Rubio, 41, has served in the Senate for less than two years. Romney did not address Rubio's credentials Tuesday.

Inexperience could work against other oft-mentioned candidates, including New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

A handful of more likely picks joined Romney on his bus tour in recent days as part of unofficial public tryouts for the No. 2 spot. Their interactions offered clues about who Romney might choose.

Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty traveled on Romney's bus with him for two full days, on Friday in New Hampshire and through Saturday in Pennsylvania. He often warranted his own introduction, with a local official talking up his accomplishments as Minnesota governor before Pawlenty took the stage to introduce Romney.

When Pawlenty left the tour, it was to fly to New York to appear as a surrogate for Romney on ABC's "This Week."

On Sunday, Ohio Sen. Rob Portman and his wife, Jane, went along for the ride. By that time, though, Romney had been joined by a pack of family members – sons Craig and Matt and five grandchildren. That left Portman and his wife riding on a different bus from Romney's for part of the day.

Still, Romney's team trusted Portman to talk to the reporters who traveled with Romney. A Portman aide snapped BlackBerry photos as the senator did a background briefing.

Less visible was Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, whose role was limited to introducing Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus at an event at a factory in Ryan's hometown of Janesville. Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, whose June 5 recall election victory was a big win for Republicans, introduced Romney and accompanied him on a tour through the factory.

Romney's Boston headquarters has been engaged for weeks in the secretive process of weighing the pros and cons of each potential pick.

With less than three months to go until Republican National Convention in August, the campaign has little time to waste as it meticulously prepares Romney to make one of his most important decisions. Advisers concede that Romney could make his pick earlier than right before the convention to help boost fundraising efforts.

Knowledge of the process has been limited to a few of Romney's highest-level aides. Information is on a "need-to-know" basis – and as far as those aides are concerned, there are few people inside the Boston headquarters who need to know, let alone reporters and other outsiders.

The process is so secret because it's so sensitive. A vice presidential vetting is possibly the most intense background check in politics. Everything is fair game: voting records and the political past, to be sure, but also personal issues.

"I think everyone should take a deep breath," Rubio said Tuesday. "Here's the one thing everyone should know: Gov. Romney's going to make a great choice. In that I'm confident."

Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 06/20/12 08:11 PM

I have a feeling Mitt just said that so the Tea Party and the few Hispanics who care about Rubio dont get pissed off at Mitt, Rubio prob isnt even being vetted.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 06/20/12 09:26 PM

The latest presidential election poll results:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-habe...abs-126719.html
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 06/21/12 04:23 PM

These polls are all over the map, and frankly I don't believe any of them. Bottom line here is if one or the other had this thing locked up it probably wouldn't get reported anyway because then the media would have to do something other than cover the "horse race."
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 06/22/12 11:31 PM

Obama pick for NLRB was top lawyer for union tainted by mob ties, history of corruption
By Doug McKelway
Published June 22, 2012


The rap sheet for members of the International Union of Operating Engineers reads like something out of "Goodfellas."

Embezzlement. Wire fraud. Bribery. That's just scratching the surface of crimes committed by the IUOE ranks. And it is from this union that President Obama earlier this year picked one of his latest appointees to the National Labor Relations Board, the federal agency tasked with resolving labor disputes between unions and management.

That recess appointee, Richard Griffin, was former general counsel for the 400,000-member union of heavy equipment operators -- a union tainted over the years by mob connections and a history of corruption.

Public documents obtained by Fox News show that more than 60 IUOE members have been arrested, indicted or jailed in the last decade on charges that include labor racketeering, extortion, criminal enterprise, bodily harm and workplace sabotage.

In some of the more egregious examples, federal prosecutors alleged in February 2003 that the Genovese and Colombo crime families wrested control of two IUOE locals, and stole $3.6 million from major New York area construction projects -- including the Museum of Modern Art and minor league baseball stadiums for the Yankees and Mets in Staten and Coney Islands.

Congress and the American public may never know whether Griffin's fiduciary responsibilities as general counsel were compromised by the avalanche of arrests, indictments and prosecutions of IUOE members. Griffin did not respond to Fox News' request for an interview. Before joining the NLRB, he served in various positions at the IUOE dating back to 1983.

But records indicate he did not take an active role in representing any of the accused union members in criminal matters while he was general counsel for the union.

In at least one case during Griffin's tenure, the IUOE national headquarters placed a local that had run afoul of the law into trusteeship. But it remains unclear what other firewalls, if any, Griffin erected to separate the national union from its corrupt locals, or how he dealt with individual local union members who were in legal trouble.

On April 9, 2008, a dozen high-ranking members of an IUOE local in Buffalo, N.Y., were arrested for damaging more than 40 pieces of heavy machinery at construction sites where non-union workers were hired. They poured sand into oil systems, and cut tires and fuel lines. They also ran the license plate numbers of victims through a state database to get personal information including the names and addresses of victims' wives.

Among the individual union members and associates prosecuted in various investigations were:

Andrew Merola, a high-ranking member of the Gambino crime family who, in 2010, admitted to committing nine different acts of racketeering, including wire fraud involving a no-show/low-show job he got as an operating engineer for local 825 of the IUOE.

James Roemer, a former treasurer of Operating Engineers local 14, who was sentenced in September 2003 to 41 months imprisonment and ordered to pay $2.7 million in restitution for conspiracy to fraudulently receive unlawful labor payments.

Joel Waverly Cacace, Sr. The imprisoned acting boss of the Colombo crime family conspired with IUOE members to get a paid no-show construction job for his son, Jo-Jo Cacace, Jr. The senior Cacace was sent to prison in February 2003 for 20 years. The three-year investigation that sent him to jail also produced more than 24 other convictions.

Former U.S. Attorney and present New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie prosecuted some of the IUOE criminal cases. In one of Christie's prosecutions, Kenneth Campbell, the former business manager of local 825 of the IUOE, pleaded guilty to embezzling $200,000 from his union and taking bribes from contractors to buy high-end electronics and a Lincoln Town Car for his father, a retired IUOE member.

Then-U.S. Attorney Christie, said, "Campbell and his cronies were simply corrupt. They treated local 825 like a piggy bank at will to treat themselves to luxuries at the expense of dues-paying members they ripped off."

Because he was recess appointed, Richard Griffin, Jr., underwent no congressional scrutiny before he was sworn in on Jan. 9 of this year.

At the time of his recess appointment, Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wyo., ranking member of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, told the Wall Street Journal he was, "extremely disappointed" in Obama's decision to "avoid the constitutionally mandated Senate confirmation process." He said that two of three nominees for the NLRB, including Griffin, were submitted to the Senate on Dec. 15, just before the Senate was to adjourn, allowing only a day to review the nominees.

Griffin has been an advocate for enhanced NLRB power for decades.

In 1988 testimony before the U.S. House Subcommittee on Employer/Employee relations, Griffin, who was then serving on the Board of Trustees of IUOE's Central Pension Fund, argued for more power for the NLRB to fine companies without a court order to enforce its rulings. He also argued against legislation that would have forced the NLRB and the Department of Labor to pay the legal costs for small businesses who won in court against unions.

Griffin's tenure on the NLRB will be longer than most recess appointees. The president delayed his appointment by one day until the start of a new congressional session -- effectively doubling to two years his stay. Recess appointments last until the end of the Senate's next session -- meaning Griffin will sit on the NLRB until December 2013.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/...-criminal-past/
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 06/23/12 01:38 AM

Great article by the NYTImes on the Generation Gap, I HIGHLY suggest you read it. Here is a snippet:

Throughout the 1980s and ’90s, younger and older adults voted in largely similar ways, with a majority of each supporting the winner in every presidential election. Sometime around 2004, though, older voters began moving right, while younger voters shifted left.

Beyond political parties, the two have different views on many of the biggest questions before the country. The young not only favor gay marriage and school funding more strongly; they are also notably less religious, more positive toward immigrants, less hostile to Social Security cuts and military cuts and more optimistic about the country’s future. They are both more open to change and more confident that life in the United States will remain good.

Their optimism is especially striking in the context of their economic troubles. Older Americans have obviously suffered in recent years, with many now fearing a significantly diminished retirement. But the economic slump of the last decade — a mediocre expansion, followed by a terrible downturn — has still taken a much higher toll on the young. Less established in their working lives, they have struggled to get hired and to hold on to jobs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/opinion/sunday/the-generation-gap-is-back.html
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 06/23/12 02:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Sometime around 2004, though, older voters began moving right, while younger voters shifted left.

Beyond political parties, the two have different views on many of the biggest questions before the country. The young not only favor gay marriage and school funding more strongly; they are also notably less religious, more positive toward immigrants, less hostile to Social Security cuts and military cuts and more optimistic about the country’s future. They are both more open to change and more confident that life in the United States will remain good.

Their optimism is especially striking in the context of their economic troubles. Older Americans have obviously suffered in recent years, with many now fearing a significantly diminished retirement. But the economic slump of the last decade — a mediocre expansion, followed by a terrible downturn — has still taken a much higher toll on the young. Less established in their working lives, they have struggled to get hired and to hold on to jobs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/opinion/sunday/the-generation-gap-is-back.html


You can chalk much of that up to the naivete of youth. And people wonder why things are going to crap.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 06/27/12 06:50 PM

I previously mentioned that the Pennsylvania GOP State House reps passed legislation requiring all voters to show a driver's license or other state-issued photo IDs in order to vote. They claimed it was to prevent voter fraud although there've been no substantiated complaints of voter fraud in decades.

Well, a GOP rep, Mike Turzai addressed a local county Republican meeting of committeepersons and listed the GOP accomplishments, including the ID requirement, which he boasted, "will ensure that Mitt Romney will be the next president of the US-done."

The thin, transparent curtain has been pulled wide open.

My 98 year old grandmother has not had a driver's license for more than a decade. She's been told that in order to vote she has to apply and purchase an original birth certificate from the Dept. of Vital Statistics, schedule a photo date at PennDOT, and then go there and purchase an ID card. She won't do it because been voting at the same place, twice a year for the past 75+ years. She says there's no way in hell they're going to stop her.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 06/27/12 06:53 PM

Good for her! I hope she makes headlines, Klyd!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 06/27/12 06:53 PM

Looks like the Republicans REALLY want to win Pennsylvania.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 06/27/12 08:18 PM

PA has been a Blue State since 1988. The PA House first gerrymandered the Congressional districts to protect Republican congressmen and jeopardize the Democrats. My present congressional district is a selection of several contiguous counties, connected by a thin strip stretching 85 miles northeast to another block. Then they tried to change our electoral apportionment, so that the electoral votes would be divided by determining which candidate won which district. If Obama would garner the same votes he received in '08, he'd win a solid majority of the votes, but he'd lose a majority of the electoral votes.

Fortunately this was shot down.

Also, our Governor Tom Corbett, who as Attorney General refused to investigate Jerry Sandusky's organization, Second Mile, told his State GOP committees that to win his 2010 election, he needed to keep voter turnout down at 50% to insure victory. They see this as the master plan for a possible Romney victory in November.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 06/27/12 08:52 PM

PA's unemployment rate edged up to 7.4%. It could be tough to go Democratic.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 06/27/12 09:10 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
PA's unemployment rate edged up to 7.4%. It could be tough to go Democratic.


Obama's leads here have been pretty steady, but as you know, that can change. We've been getting a solid stream of Romney tv and radio ads over the past month. Only a few so far for Obama.
Posted By: JonahPerelman

Re: Election 2012 - 06/27/12 09:20 PM

Latest stats I've heard is that, thanks to Citizens United and Monday's Montana case, Romney is projected to outspend Barry by ten to one.

Ten... to... one.

I was pretty confident until I saw that. I can't imagine Mitt making a good impression on anyone during the debates. Barry'll eat his lunch for him there. But if you're talking about outspending your opponent by ten to one, it's tough to feel good about the outcome.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 06/27/12 10:11 PM

A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll showed Obama and the Republican presidential candidate in a dead heat nationally.

Obama was pulling 47 percent, to Romney's 44 percent -- the president's lead fell well within the poll's 3.1 percentage point margin of error.

Still, the poll showed Obama leading 50-42 percent among swing-state residents. The survey interviewed residents in Ohio, Florida and 10 other swing states.

That state of play was echoed in a Quinnipiac University poll of voters in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

The poll showed Obama leading 47 percent to Romney's 38 percent in Ohio, and 45-39 percent in Pennsylvania. Obama was holding onto a narrower lead in Florida, edging out Romney 45 percent to 41 percent


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/.../#ixzz1z2fSkbKA
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 07/06/12 05:50 PM

It is estimated that there are presently 750,000 Pennsylvanians, who are registered to vote, but lack a state-issued photo ID needed to vote in the upcoming election under the new voter ID law.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 07/06/12 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
It is estimated that there are presently 750,000 Pennsylvanians, who are registered to vote, but lack a state-issued photo ID needed to vote in the upcoming election under the new voter ID law.


Kly, that seems so unfair. Since most people are not political "geeks", there's a good chance many don't know of this new law. Were these people at least sent anything notifying them of the new procedure? Plus, I wonder how many vote by mail (as I do). They simply won't send a ballot or what? confused Lots of potential trouble if you ask me. Like the 90 something old lady in Tennessee that had been voting all her life and was told she needed a birth certificate.

TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 07/06/12 06:40 PM


Originally Posted By: JonahPerelman
Latest stats I've heard is that, thanks to Citizens United and Monday's Montana case, Romney is projected to outspend Barry by ten to one.

Ten... to... one.

I was pretty confident until I saw that. I can't imagine Mitt making a good impression on anyone during the debates. Barry'll eat his lunch for him there. But if you're talking about outspending your opponent by ten to one, it's tough to feel good about the outcome.



Those fundraising numbers are troubling, any idea how many debates there will be and when they will air?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 07/06/12 10:18 PM

While I imagine most on here would already have their personal opinion of the results in hand well before the debate even aired, why are you so sure Obama would eat Romney for lunch in them?
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 07/07/12 02:09 AM

I'm not from the us but you're elections always make me interested. So Romney or Obama?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 07/07/12 02:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don



Those fundraising numbers are troubling, any idea how many debates there will be and when they will air?


October 3,16,27.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 07/07/12 03:15 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
While I imagine most on here would already have their personal opinion of the results in hand well before the debate even aired, why are you so sure Obama would eat Romney for lunch in them?


Well im going by Romney's previous debate performances. I cant even begin to count all the articles, debate coverage that I watched which lamented his performance(s).

I was so used to all these GOP debates, I am dissapointed we have to wait until October to see these guys go at it. I enjoy the back and forth shots candidates throw at each other. smile
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 07/09/12 11:47 PM

This time, it's personal....
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ys-skin/259596/

Quote:
Mitt Romney has had enough. Fed up with President Obama's attacks on his business record, he is -- or at least his surrogates are -- going to drop the Mr. Nice Guy act and start calling his opponent a liar, BuzzFeed's McKay Coppins reports. Romney's campaign had already gone there -- an email Saturday from spokeswoman Andrea Saul was headlined "Obama's Desperate Lies," for example -- but to turn the L-word, usually avoided in politics, into a surrogate talking point represents a new front.

To the many Republicans thirsty for blood and concerned that Romney's campaign has been too passive, this will surely be welcome news. But it's rather ironic that Team Romney appears to have been baited into an emotional reaction after months of trying, unsuccessfully, to bait the Obama campaign....
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 07/10/12 04:17 AM

OK, which one of you did it?

http://wtvr.com/2012/07/09/alternator-belt-cut-on-romney-bus-at-henrico-gun-show/
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 07/10/12 04:24 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


The Pep Boys.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 07/12/12 12:19 AM

Havent passed these on here in a while, enjoy:


Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 07/12/12 01:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don



While the overall hypocritical and contradictive point stands, I don't know how you can post that, Dapper. Considering the lashings Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton gave each other during the Democratic primaries. Only to later have Obama make one his VP and the other his Secretary of State; and them accept the positions despite the reservations they said they had about him being President. Or did you just forget about that?
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 07/12/12 11:35 AM

Original geschrieben von: IvyLeague
Considering the lashings Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton gave each other during the Democratic primaries. Only to later have Obama make one his VP and the other his Secretary of State; and them accept the positions despite the reservations they said they had about him being President. Or did you just forget about that?


Although Clinton went a bit dirty (the 3 a.m. clip), I don't think you will find anything from Obama's side against her. He continually praised her for everything she had done. When he had lost the primaries in New Hampshire, he started his "Yes we can"-speech with the following words:
"Well, first of all, I want to congratulate Senator Clinton on a hard-fought victory here in New Hampshire. She did an outstanding job. Give her a big round of applause."

I find his campaign this year much more aggressive than 4 years ago.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 07/12/12 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don



While the overall hypocritical and contradictive point stands, I don't know how you can post that, Dapper. Considering the lashings Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton gave each other during the Democratic primaries. Only to later have Obama make one his VP and the other his Secretary of State; and them accept the positions despite the reservations they said they had about him being President. Or did you just forget about that?


I posted it because it has some valid points, obcourse I didnt forget the Democratic primaries. It was common knowledge that Biden didnt have a real shot and he just stayed in as an "audition" for a spot in the administration. Hillary swallowed her pride (she didnt really want to be in the admin) to accept a position cause the Obama people wanted to unify the entire party and bring over the Clinton backers to his side.

I dont know about you, but I just dont see Santorum being Secretary of _______ or Gingrich being in the cabinet even if Romney wins. The attacks and things these guys said to each other was much worse than anything the Dems ever said to each other during that primary.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 07/12/12 08:41 PM

Let the revelations begin...

Republican candidate Mitt Romney was listed as the chairman and CEO of Bain Capital on certain government documents years after 1999, when he ostensibly left the private equity firm, The Boston Globe reports.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election...ticle-1.1112875
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 07/12/12 10:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Danito
Although Clinton went a bit dirty (the 3 a.m. clip), I don't think you will find anything from Obama's side against her. He continually praised her for everything she had done. When he had lost the primaries in New Hampshire, he started his "Yes we can"-speech with the following words:
"Well, first of all, I want to congratulate Senator Clinton on a hard-fought victory here in New Hampshire. She did an outstanding job. Give her a big round of applause."

I find his campaign this year much more aggressive than 4 years ago.


The point still stand that, if Clinton had such reservations about Obama being President during the primaries, why then hitch her wagon to his star afterward? Where did those reservations go?

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I posted it because it has some valid points, obcourse I didnt forget the Democratic primaries. It was common knowledge that Biden didnt have a real shot and he just stayed in as an "audition" for a spot in the administration. Hillary swallowed her pride (she didnt really want to be in the admin) to accept a position cause the Obama people wanted to unify the entire party and bring over the Clinton backers to his side.

I dont know about you, but I just dont see Santorum being Secretary of _______ or Gingrich being in the cabinet even if Romney wins. The attacks and things these guys said to each other was much worse than anything the Dems ever said to each other during that primary.


My point, like I mentioned above, is that these politicians (from whatever party) look foolish when they express all these reservations about their opponent during a primary, only then to do a total 180 and fully support their previous opponent. And they do it simply to support "the party."

And that's what this is really all about. The same old partisanship as usual. Which I see A LOT of on this board. Which is why I'll continue to hold people's feet to the fire when I see it.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 07/12/12 11:01 PM

Your absolutely right Wiseguy, we are all pretty intelligent to notice the same old partisanship at work. I was just sharing that funny pic.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 07/14/12 12:20 AM

Just saw Romney on CNN interviewed by Joe Acosta. Romney said he released his 2010 tax return and an estimate for 2011, but that was it. He won't release any other year's returns.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 07/14/12 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Just saw Romney on CNN interviewed by Joe Acosta. Romney said he released his 2010 tax return and an estimate for 2011, but that was it. He won't release any other year's returns.


Bill Clinton was criticizing Romney for this. Presidential candidates have always released several tax returns for successive years. His failure to do so invites an inference that he's hiding something. I think Romney will have to release his returns, especially for 1999 through 2002 when he claims he was no longer with Bain. The sooner he can address this, the sooner he might be able to get past this.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 07/15/12 02:05 AM

WILLIAMSBURG, Va. — In an interview with ABC News on Saturday, Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley called on presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney to release additional years of his tax returns
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 07/19/12 04:23 PM

The tax returns issue is strangling Romney right now. He should probably name his VP choice soon on a week day (if he has already selected one) just to take some wind out of the tax stories.

What's in those returns must bepretty damaging if Mitt thinks not disclosing them is better for the campaign than coming clean.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 07/19/12 04:25 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
The tax returns issue is strangling Romney right now. He should probably name his VP choice soon on a week day (if he has already selected one) just to take some wind out of the tax stories.

What's in those returns must bepretty damaging if Mitt thinks not disclosing them is better for the campaign than coming clean.


And his wife was just on tv saying "YOU PEOPLE have all you need to know." rolleyes


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 07/19/12 06:03 PM

After skewering the President for only showing 289 different varieties of proof that he was born in the US, don't the Republicans feel a bit petty when Mitt won't release his returns??
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 07/19/12 08:29 PM

lol

Newt meets Snooki




http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment...ticle-1.1117471
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 07/20/12 10:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
After skewering the President for only showing 289 different varieties of proof that he was born in the US, don't the Republicans feel a bit petty when Mitt won't release his returns??


You KNOW the President has got to be having a good laugh with that. lol
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 07/20/12 10:08 AM

Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 07/20/12 02:39 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
[quote=klydon1]And his wife was just on tv saying "YOU PEOPLE have all you need to know." rolleyes


TIS


She came off as a modern day Marie Antoinette. I don't fault her so much, but she should have been prepared better for the interview.

I thought it was curious that she said the tax returns would show how generous Romney is as he's donated 10% of earnings to the Mormon Church and other charities. This would be all the more reason he should release them. The excuse that the Democrats would only twist the returns and attack them seems very hollow.

One thing I agree with Mitt is his indifference to the puffed up outrage over the opening day Olympic uniforms being made in China. Maybe it's because when he ran the 2002 winter games, the uniforms were made in Burma, but I commend him for being candid on the issue and not rushing to wave the flag.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 07/20/12 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
[quote=klydon1]And his wife was just on tv saying "YOU PEOPLE have all you need to know." rolleyes


TIS


She came off as a modern day Marie Antoinette. I don't fault her so much, but she should have been prepared better for the interview.



Well, in the inimitable words of Lina Lamont:

"If we bring a little joy into your humdrum lives we feel as though our hard work ain't been in vain for nothing."
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 07/28/12 03:57 PM

Today Mr. Romney takes his one-man Offend the World Tour to Israel. Stand by.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 07/28/12 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Today Mr. Romney takes his one-man Offend the World Tour to Israel. Stand by.



I can't help but think of: "Holiday Roooooooooooad, Holiday road." Cracks me up.

lol lol




TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 07/28/12 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: klydon1
Today Mr. Romney takes his one-man Offend the World Tour to Israel. Stand by.



I can't help but think of: "Holiday Roooooooooooad, Holiday road." Cracks me up.

lol lol




TIS


Yes. Romney will probbaly ask to visit the Wally Wall.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 07/29/12 04:50 PM

Dick Cheney: Picking Sarah Palin for VP Was 'A Mistake'
By Jonathan Karl | ABC OTUS News – 3 hrs ago.. .

Dick Cheney has some advice for Mitt Romney on choosing a running mate: Don't pick another Sarah Palin.

In his first interview since receiving a heart transplant in March, Cheney told ABC News, that John McCain's decision to pick Palin as his running mate in 2008 was "a mistake" - one that it is important from Romney not to repeat.

Cheney would not comment on what he told Romney and Myers, but he was harsh in his assessment of McCain's decision to pick Palin.

"That one," Cheney said, "I don't think was well handled."

"The test to get on that small list has to be, 'Is this person capable of being president of the United States?'" Cheney believes Sarah Palin failed that test.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 07/29/12 04:52 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
"The test to get on that small list has to be, 'Is this person capable of being president of the United States?'" Cheney believes Sarah Palin failed that test.


Like Cheney was (capable of being president). lol
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 07/29/12 05:16 PM

Like it was McCain's decision! rolleyes She was foisted on him, and my understanding is that it was against his very strong objections.

I've always wondered what our history might have been if McCain had won the Republican nomination instead of W.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 07/29/12 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Like it was McCain's decision! rolleyes She was foisted on him, and my understanding is that it was against his very strong objections.

I've always wondered what our history might have been if McCain had won the Republican nomination instead of W.


We would not have had foreign policy dictated by Cheney and Rumsfeld, and we would not have gone to war looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 07/29/12 06:38 PM

Given that Bush wouldn't have been in the White House, I often wonder if there would have been a September 11th. I don't mean that against President Bush, but I do believe that some of that was personal against his family, especially the first President Bush.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 07/30/12 01:14 AM

I watched John Stossel on Fox yesterday (he came over years ago from ABC). He interviewed Art Cardin who is a financial expert. Art's theme was that outsourcing of jobs is a good thing and Stossel agreed with him.

Now, I wonder if that segment would have aired if Mitt Romney was not accused of outsourcing jobs as CEO of Bain Capital?

Stossel also interviewed Senator Barosso (R) of Wyoming about how the (get this) EPA was killing people. Barosso figures that people who are unemployed are subject to high blood pressure, strokes, etc. and are unemployed, in part, because of EPA regulations.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 07/30/12 01:20 AM

We were happy enough to outsource our jobs for years when it was in dirty, smelly manufacturing. Now that we are outsourcing white collar customer service, IT, legal and even medical jobs, we're all in an uproar.

While jobs may continue to disappear overseas, the US is not issuing work visas as they once were. My husband's company has numerous workers from India at his company. If they go home to visit, they will not be able to come back. Also, if they are let go and sent back, a replacement from India will not be allowed in. They recently were able to bring someone over because they have a data center in Europe, so someone was sent originally from India working in Europe and was then allowed to work here. Not sure how long until that loophole is closed.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 07/30/12 02:12 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I watched John Stossel on Fox yesterday (he came over years ago from ABC). He interviewed Art Cardin who is a financial expert. Art's theme was that outsourcing of jobs is a good thing and Stossel agreed with him.

Now, I wonder if that segment would have aired if Mitt Romney was not accused of outsourcing jobs as CEO of Bain Capital?

Stossel also interviewed Senator Barosso (R) of Wyoming about how the (get this) EPA was killing people. Barosso figures that people who are unemployed are subject to high blood pressure, strokes, etc. and are unemployed, in part, because of EPA regulations.


confused lol

You cant even make this stuff up its so outlandish.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 07/30/12 06:51 AM

Original geschrieben von: Sicilian Babe
Given that Bush wouldn't have been in the White House, I often wonder if there would have been a September 11th. I don't mean that against President Bush, but I do believe that some of that was personal against his family, especially the first President Bush.


Why do you believe that? Bush Senior wasn't president anymore when Al Qaida started its attacks in 1993.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 07/30/12 04:10 PM

Very true, but the first war in Iraq was, and it was a devastating blow to the Middle Eastern countries. I always thought it was a mistake for that administration to have left Saddam in power and often wonder how much of the attacks were personal. Just a "what if", certainly not trying to assign blame or point fingers. It's one of those, where would we be today IF....
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 07/30/12 05:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Like it was McCain's decision! rolleyes She was foisted on him, and my understanding is that it was against his very strong objections.

I've always wondered what our history might have been if McCain had won the Republican nomination instead of W.


The only insider account of the Palin decision I know of is the book and later the HBO movie "Game Change," and it it McCain is seen as choosing her because she was his best shot to win the election. I am sure he never gave much thought to the possibility he would die in office, just cause he's John McCain (See also George H.W. Bush and his Veep pick) .

I think McCain would have made a better president than Bush because he is naturally curious and no doubt would have seen the famous August Al Queada memo about using airplanes to attack buildings. I also think he had a more "human" quality, and probably would have gone to the Katrina victims sooner.

As for the economy, he may not have cut taxes the way Bush did, but I think the crisis of 2008 was going to happen no matter who was in the white house. Everyone was making way too much money on the housing bubble.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 07/30/12 05:42 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I watched John Stossel on Fox yesterday (he came over years ago from ABC). He interviewed Art Cardin who is a financial expert. Art's theme was that outsourcing of jobs is a good thing and Stossel agreed with him.

Now, I wonder if that segment would have aired if Mitt Romney was not accused of outsourcing jobs as CEO of Bain Capital?

Stossel also interviewed Senator Barosso (R) of Wyoming about how the (get this) EPA was killing people. Barosso figures that people who are unemployed are subject to high blood pressure, strokes, etc. and are unemployed, in part, because of EPA regulations.


I often wonder how these stories are reported with a straight face.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 07/30/12 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Very true, but the first war in Iraq was, and it was a devastating blow to the Middle Eastern countries. I always thought it was a mistake for that administration to have left Saddam in power and often wonder how much of the attacks were personal. Just a "what if", certainly not trying to assign blame or point fingers. It's one of those, where would we be today IF....


If McCain won the Republican nomination in 2000, I don't know if he'd have beaten Gore, who actually received more votes than W. I thought that while McCain may have made a better president than Bush, I think Bush was a much better and more effective campaigner than McCain.

Similarly I've always thought that Bob Dole would have been an effective cief executive, but he had electability problems. I think Dole was designed more like a prime minister than a president.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 07/30/12 07:59 PM

Original geschrieben von: Sicilian Babe
Very true, but the first war in Iraq was, and it was a devastating blow to the Middle Eastern countries. I always thought it was a mistake for that administration to have left Saddam in power and often wonder how much of the attacks were personal. Just a "what if", certainly not trying to assign blame or point fingers. It's one of those, where would we be today IF....


What does Saddam have to do with Al-Qaida?
9/11 had nothing to do with that war. The rise of Al Qaida had nothing to do with that war.
They just saw the US as the ultimate evil. They didn't care who was in the White House. Remember, the 1st attack of the WTC was when Clinton was in office.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 07/30/12 10:17 PM

Fox just illustrated an electoral college map that shows states for Obama or leaning Obama with 280 votes and states for Romney or leaning Romney at 182 votes.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 07/30/12 11:14 PM

It is definitely Obama's election to lose right now. Romney will have to sweep the entire South, and take either two of the upper Midwest/Rust Belt states or get one of those and win Colorado or Nevada in order to get to 270. Possible but likely? We'll see.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 07/31/12 12:14 AM

Klyd, I agree that 2008 was going to happen, thanks to banks with purses that were too wide open. BUT if we hadn't spent so many trillions on a ridiculous fight, would our economy truly have been AS devastated?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/03/12 04:06 PM

Figure this one out. The following are headlines from the Fox News website. The first one is the lead story and the second one is about one inch below the first one:

"With unemployment rate rising from 8.2 percent to 8.3 percent in July, Republicans amp up criticism of President Obama's stewardship of the economy."

"Stocks Leap as U.S. Job Growth Heats Up"
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/03/12 04:41 PM

You can't figure out the media, and I think that some of the silly "gloom and doom" news has to do with the lack of consumer confidence.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 08/03/12 10:53 PM

Jenna Jameson endorses Romney
Quote:

Porn legend Jenna Jameson may have just made the unlikeliest - and least helpful - endorsement of the 2012 campaign season.

The adult-entertainment pioneer exposed her political preference for Mitt Romney Thursday night while sipping champagne in the VIP room of a San Francisco gentlemen's club.

"I'm very looking forward to a Republican being back in office," Jameson told a KCBS-TV reporter, champagne in hand. "When you're rich, you want a Republican in office."
Posted By: southphilly old head

Re: Election 2012 - 08/03/12 11:08 PM

Im definatately voting for Obama now!!!
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 08/03/12 11:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Jenna Jameson endorses Romney
Quote:

Porn legend Jenna Jameson may have just made the unlikeliest - and least helpful - endorsement of the 2012 campaign season.

The adult-entertainment pioneer exposed her political preference for Mitt Romney Thursday night while sipping champagne in the VIP room of a San Francisco gentlemen's club.

"I'm very looking forward to a Republican being back in office," Jameson told a KCBS-TV reporter, champagne in hand. "When you're rich, you want a Republican in office."


I think this is one of the signs of the Apocalypse. whistle
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 08/04/12 04:20 PM

Original geschrieben von: Lilo
Jenna Jameson endorses Romney
Antwort auf:

Porn legend Jenna Jameson may have just made the unlikeliest - and least helpful - endorsement of the 2012 campaign season.

The adult-entertainment pioneer exposed her political preference for Mitt Romney Thursday night while sipping champagne in the VIP room of a San Francisco gentlemen's club.

"I'm very looking forward to a Republican being back in office," Jameson told a KCBS-TV reporter, champagne in hand. "When you're rich, you want a Republican in office."


Maybe the Democrats paid her to say that?
whistle
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/04/12 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Danito
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Jenna Jameson endorses Romney
Quote:

Porn legend Jenna Jameson may have just made the unlikeliest - and least helpful - endorsement of the 2012 campaign season.

The adult-entertainment pioneer exposed her political preference for Mitt Romney Thursday night while sipping champagne in the VIP room of a San Francisco gentlemen's club.

"I'm very looking forward to a Republican being back in office," Jameson told a KCBS-TV reporter, champagne in hand. "When you're rich, you want a Republican in office."


Maybe the Democrats paid her to say that?
whistle


That lady has taken cash for far sleazier things than endorsing Romney. This is one of those endorsements where you just smile and walk away.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 08/04/12 10:33 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
That lady has taken cash for far sleazier things than endorsing Romney. This is one of those endorsements where you just smile and walk away.


When it comes to sleazy, the average criminal defense attorney has the sluttiest porn star beat by a mile. Just saying.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/05/12 03:56 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
When it comes to sleazy, the average criminal defense attorney has the sluttiest porn star beat by a mile. Just saying.


That reply surprises me, IvyLeague. As much fun as it to make fun of our lawyers, it certainly doesn't pertain to our friend, klydon. Our judicial system provides for even the worst offender a good defense and we should all be thankful for that right (even if the offender is a scumbag).
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/05/12 04:21 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: klydon1
That lady has taken cash for far sleazier things than endorsing Romney. This is one of those endorsements where you just smile and walk away.


When it comes to sleazy, the average criminal defense attorney has the sluttiest porn star beat by a mile. Just saying.


smile

I pretty much figured that you were well acquainted with porn, but I'm a little surprised that you knew the criminal defense bar so well to make a definitive comparison. Just saying. wink

Actually one man's sleaze bucket is another man's freedom fighter. When I practiced criminal defense, I used to joke that I told my parents I played piano in a whorehouse, so that they wouldn't be ashamed of me. But the truth is practicing criminal defense was the most critically important work I ever did. smile
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/05/12 04:30 PM

clap
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 08/05/12 10:32 PM

Originally Posted By: SC

That reply surprises me, IvyLeague. As much fun as it to make fun of our lawyers, it certainly doesn't pertain to our friend, klydon. Our judicial system provides for even the worst offender a good defense and we should all be thankful for that right (even if the offender is a scumbag).


The way I see it, just because our judicial system requires the existence of defense lawyers, each one didn't need to choose that line of work; speaking from an individual standpoint.

Think about it for a minute. A defense attorney's job is to try to get people he knows...knows...are guilty of the crimes they're accused of, off scott free, or with as little punishment as possible. After all, this isn't Perry Mason or Matlock, where all of their clients just happen to be innocent. Nope, this is reality. Where the majority of their clients are guilty as sin. But does that ever stop the average defense attorney from taking the case? Not usually. Rape, murder, child abuse, whatever. As long as the money is there, that's what matters.

The truth is, criminal defense lawyers are nearly as bad as the people they represent.

Originally Posted By: klydon
I pretty much figured that you were well acquainted with porn, but I'm a little surprised that you knew the criminal defense bar so well to make a definitive comparison. Just saying.


Who said I was familiar with porn? The point should be obvious. As disgusting as it is for a porn star to fornicate in public for money, the defense attorney who works to get criminals off scott free is even worse.

Quote:
Actually one man's sleaze bucket is another man's freedom fighter. When I practiced criminal defense, I used to joke that I told my parents I played piano in a whorehouse, so that they wouldn't be ashamed of me. But the truth is practicing criminal defense was the most critically important work I ever did.


I'm not aware of your past clients but, hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 12:10 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
But the truth is practicing criminal defense was the most critically important work I ever did. smile


If I ever were falsely accused of a crime I would want an attorney who did his or her best to defend me in a court of law and require the state to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. People make fun of attorneys but when you're having the full malevolence of the state directed at you I think most people would quickly sing a different tune.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 12:12 AM

Why can't Romney break through?
8.2% unemployment should be an easy case for him to make. So far it's not. What's his problem?
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 12:12 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The way I see it, just because our judicial system requires the existence of defense lawyers, each one didn't need to choose that line of work; speaking from an individual standpoint.

Think about it for a minute. A defense attorney's job is to try to get people he knows...knows...are guilty of the crimes they're accused of, off scott free, or with as little punishment as possible. After all, this isn't Perry Mason or Matlock, where all of their clients just happen to be innocent. Nope, this is reality. Where the majority of their clients are guilty as sin. But does that ever stop the average defense attorney from taking the case? Not usually. Rape, murder, child abuse, whatever. As long as the money is there, that's what matters.


I'm REALLY surprised at this, but beginning to understand that your position comes from misunderstanding. Your dislike of defense attorneys is REALLY a dislike of our justice system. You want to hang anyone arrested for a bad crime. Our government, in its early wisdom, provided that everyone is allowed a good defense and trial before being judged innocent or guilty.

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The truth is, criminal defense lawyers are nearly as bad as the people they represent.


The truth is these defense attorneys should be applauded for the work they do. They may, in fact, believe their client to be guilty, but the client is still entitled to the best defense he can get.

Regardless of whether you can understand that, or not, you owe klydon an apology.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 12:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
If I ever were falsely accused of a crime I would want an attorney who did his or her best to defend me in a court of law and require the state to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. People make fun of attorneys but when you're having the full malevolence of the state directed at you I think most people would quickly sing a different tune.


Notice how you start with the built-in assumption that the one charged (you in this case) is innocent. If you're honest, you have to admit that most who are charged are indeed guilty.

Now, hypothetically, I'd be all for a defense attorney who only takes cases where they truly believe their client is innocent. But how many of those are there?

Originally Posted By: SC
I'm REALLY surprised at this, but beginning to understand that your position comes from misunderstanding. Your dislike of defense attorneys is REALLY a dislike of our justice system. You want to hang anyone arrested for a bad crime. Our government, in its early wisdom, provided that everyone is allowed a good defense and trial before being judged innocent or guilty.


I understand the system find. But the system, as it is, doesn't justify what defense lawyers do for a living - speaking on an individual basis.

Quote:
The truth is these defense attorneys should be applauded for the work they do. They may, in fact, believe their client to be guilty, but the client is still entitled to the best defense he can get.


Yes, let's applaud those who get rapists, murderers, child molesters, gang members, drug dealers, etc. off or with little punishment as possible.

Quote:
Regardless of whether you can understand that, or not, you owe klydon an apology.


Not gonna happen. I'm speaking more about defense lawyers in general anyway. Like I said, I don't know what clientele he has taken on in the past.

What I'm saying may not be popular, because it's an inconvenient fact, but it's a fact nevertheless.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 12:52 AM

It's a fact as you see it, not me. I sure as hell can't make you see things my way, and that's fine, but I can assure you that you'll apologize to klydon (by your own admission you don't know anything about his clients) or you'll face the consequences.

You don't want to get into a pissing contest with me on this point.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 01:52 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
It's a fact as you see it, not me. I sure as hell can't make you see things my way, and that's fine, but I can assure you that you'll apologize to klydon (by your own admission you don't know anything about his clients) or you'll face the consequences.

You don't want to get into a pissing contest with me on this point.


If kyldon is a defense attorney who has only taken clients he truly believes to be innocent - which would basically make him a living miracle - then I apologize as far as he's concerned.

But, if he doesn't fit that rarest of molds, than he gets no apology from me.

And I won't take back what I said about defense attorneys in general. The consequences be damned.

How do ya like them apples? grin
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 01:55 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: SC
It's a fact as you see it, not me. I sure as hell can't make you see things my way, and that's fine, but I can assure you that you'll apologize to klydon (by your own admission you don't know anything about his clients) or you'll face the consequences.

You don't want to get into a pissing contest with me on this point.


If kyldon is a defense attorney who has only taken clients he truly believes to be innocent - which would basically make him a living miracle - then I apologize as far as he's concerned.

But, if he doesn't fit that rarest of molds, than he gets no apology from me.

And I won't take back what I said about defense attorneys in general. The consequences be damned.

How do ya like them apples? grin


I don't. Take a vacation on me. If you don't like that decision, get a defense attorney. grin

Nobody will get away flaming another member.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 02:25 AM

SC, thanks to you and the other mods, this site maintains a civil tone.

Lilo, as to your point, the undecideds will not make up their minds until Romney picks a VP and the debates. Both are critical to the election.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 04:56 AM

I'm already tired of hearing " I approve this message" UGH!!!!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 02:17 PM

[quote=Sicilian Babe]SC, thanks to you and the other mods, this site maintains a civil tone.




SB,

I agree. One GREAT thing about this site is the mods are always on their toes. smile Whether it's spamming, insulting others, being sarcastic or just a down right hateful attitude that fuels the poster, the mods tend to pick up on it and handle it promptly and professionally IMHO. Kudos SC


TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Kudos SC


Thanks. Turnbull keeps his share of baddies in line, also. Only he's a gentleman about it. ohwell
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Why can't Romney break through?

Short answer, Lilo?

He . . . just . . . isn't . . . likeable.

It isn't his money. We've had plenty of Presidents who have reeked of entitlement (And let's face it, President Obama isn't exactly blue collar). But there's just something off about this guy.

Bush was an imbecile, but I've always grudgingly admitted that there was something inherently likeable about the guy. If Romney had that folksy charm, Obama would be in trouble. But he doesn't.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 05:23 PM

It's not only the money, it's his remoteness (if that's a word). He doesn't CONNECT. Not knowing things like the name of a doughnut, he seems so out of touch. That's one thing way that Palin enhanced McCain's campaign. That whole "First Dude", just every day folks thing, she did it very, very well. It was all BS, but it was certainly something she could pull off. Romney couldn't in a million years.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 05:25 PM

Listening to Chris Wallace on Fox and his panel, it's clear that Republicans don't know why Romney is not making strides. They will probably have to count on his Vice President choice to infuse his campaign with any verve.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 06:57 PM

There is much speculation about Romney's VP choice. I heard earlier today that it might be a "shocker" with someone mentioning Guilianni? uhwhat For some reason I just don't see it being a woman and I am uncertain if he'd pick either Jindhal or Rubio, tho it might help him with minorities. I've heard most pundits say it'll be more middle of the road (?), like Portman or Pawlenty (both being just as boring as Mittens.)

Yet, in the long run, and for the most part, do people really vote for a candidate by whom his VP choice is? Not to say VP doesn't matter, but I think most people vote for the main candidate. (Palin was/is an exception I guess, IF indeed people voted for McCain just because of Palin) confused

TIS
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/06/12 07:47 PM

I can't wait for the RANC here in Tampa at the end of the month.

I'll be voting Republican up and down the ticket now and for years to come. And I'm in a swing state too.

Can't believe you people are talking about the election. Almost everyone's mind is made up. Makes no sense obsessing over it.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
I can't wait for the RANC here in Tampa at the end of the month.

I'll be voting Republican up and down the ticket now and for years to come. And I'm in a swing state too.

Can't believe you people are talking about the election. Almost everyone's mind is made up. Makes no sense obsessing over it.


I don't know that everyone is obsessing. This is going to be a close election by all indications I think everyone is rightly concerned.

smile
TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 12:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
I can't wait for the RANC here in Tampa at the end of the month.

I'll be voting Republican up and down the ticket now and for years to come. And I'm in a swing state too.

Can't believe you people are talking about the election. Almost everyone's mind is made up. Makes no sense obsessing over it.


Your in Florida right?

Take this from somebody who has worked with politicians in DC from BOTH sides of the aisle. Dont vote for any more Tea Partiers, you will be doing this country a favor. I would hope you vote on the individual candidate as opposed to just blankly voting Republican.

Unfortunately, it wont matter much in the grander scheme of things who wins the election. Our so called "recovery" is extremely fragile and becomes more globalized every single day and thus any major negative economic event in Europe, Greece, Middle East, China wipes out hundreds of billions of dollars in wealth in a matter of seconds. IMO, we still havent bottomed out and the economy hasnt found "equilibrium" (to use an economic term) in terms of the housing market. Until that happens, we wont see a true recovery.

Our country needs a leader with a bold vision and some new innovative ideas ala a modern-day FDR. We dont have that candidate, and thus I will be voting for Obama because our country cannot afford to have more years of trickle-down economic policies that have historically been a disaster.

Hopefully, he learned some key lessons from his first term and grows a pair of balls and pushes to implement reforms as soon as possible with the help of the GOP who have been unwilling to compromise all these years.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 10:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
I can't wait for the RANC here in Tampa at the end of the month.

I'll be voting Republican up and down the ticket now and for years to come. And I'm in a swing state too.

Can't believe you people are talking about the election. Almost everyone's mind is made up. Makes no sense obsessing over it.


Your in Florida right?

Take this from somebody who has worked with politicians in DC from BOTH sides of the aisle. Dont vote for any more Tea Partiers, you will be doing this country a favor. I would hope you vote on the individual candidate as opposed to just blankly voting Republican.

Unfortunately, it wont matter much in the grander scheme of things who wins the election. Our so called "recovery" is extremely fragile and becomes more globalized every single day and thus any major negative economic event in Europe, Greece, Middle East, China wipes out hundreds of billions of dollars in wealth in a matter of seconds. IMO, we still havent bottomed out and the economy hasnt found "equilibrium" (to use an economic term) in terms of the housing market. Until that happens, we wont see a true recovery.

Our country needs a leader with a bold vision and some new innovative ideas ala a modern-day FDR. We dont have that candidate, and thus I will be voting for Obama because our country cannot afford to have more years of trickle-down economic policies that have historically been a disaster.

Hopefully, he learned some key lessons from his first term and grows a pair of balls and pushes to implement reforms as soon as possible with the help of the GOP who have been unwilling to compromise all these years.


I am in Florida and we will decide this election. Tampa and Fairfax VA will be the two key places to swing the entire election. NPR twitter came out with two stories about it in last two days.

I don't recognize the Tea Party. I am very turned off by the modern day Democrats.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 04:15 PM

I don't see the race hinging on one state right now, but I think right now Romney needs to win both Florida and Ohio. If either of these states goes blue, he's cooked.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 04:18 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
I don't see the race hinging on one state right now, but I think right now Romney needs to win both Florida and Ohio. If either of these states goes blue, he's cooked.

I agree, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about all the money that he's raising. It's unbelieveable.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 04:22 PM

He needs it PB to pay for his plane. On his bus tour, he flies between stops and jumps o the bus for short periods. He also needs it to buyhmself a personality for the voters.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 04:29 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I agree, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about all the money that he's raising. It's unbelieveable.


Same here. I heard that he's raised over $300 million in just the past three months alone. I guess the rich would rather pay him to protect their interests than to pay their share of taxes.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 05:51 PM

it seems like the vocal point of this election is job creation. imo its not the governments job to "create" jobs but rather to foster an environment where the free market takes care of the job creation. when i hear both of these candidates talk about job creation all i can picture in my head is another worthless government agency created outta thin air that serves little or no purpose.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 05:55 PM

I worked in economic development for years. You're right. The purpose of such agencies is simply to foster an environment that is business-friendly so that they will be able to expand and add jobs. Unfortunately, we Americans often forget that this is now a GLOBAL economy. We're so busy raising hell if a company wants to build a manufacturing plant in our backyards, that we forget what will happen if that same company simply builds it overseas where it will be welcomed.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 06:22 PM

Now, I'm certain that ya'll can recall any number of statements from Republicans over the past several decades (whether they were in politics or were talk show hosts) to the effect that government does not create jobs. But yet, such is Romney's mantra and it gets picked up and repeated by talk show pundits.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: klydon1
I don't see the race hinging on one state right now, but I think right now Romney needs to win both Florida and Ohio. If either of these states goes blue, he's cooked.

I agree, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about all the money that he's raising. It's unbelieveable.


He's raising it because people are genuinely afraid Obama will win again.

Besides, a Republican has to raise more money to be competitive because the Democrats always have the media on their side which is worth hundreds-of-millions in free publicity.

So if Romney raises more money, he still may not have leveled the playing field.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
it seems like the vocal point of this election is job creation. imo its not the governments job to "create" jobs but rather to foster an environment where the free market takes care of the job creation. when i hear both of these candidates talk about job creation all i can picture in my head is another worthless government agency created outta thin air that serves little or no purpose.


Jobs is the talking point. Most people have decided what they are going to do in November.

But it's not about jobs. It's about ideology and what direction you want America to take. We're a very divided nation and we all vote according to what side we're on, even though unemployment is still high and there's no doubt, it will remain there for years to come.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 08:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
because the Democrats always have the media on their side


Along with Fox News, here's a few conservative radio talk show hosts:

Neil Bortz
Dave Ramsey
Dennis Prager
Dennis Miller
Michael Savage
Mark Levin
Don Imus
Bill Bennett
Monica Crowley
Michael Medved
Sean Hannity
Rush Limbaugh
Mark Davis
Mike Gallagher
Hugh Hewitt
John Gibson
Larry Kudlow
Ben Ferguson
Tom Sullivan
Lou Dobbs
Vicki Middleton
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 08:11 PM

"because Democrats have always had media on their side." lol lol Granted there are a couple stations/commentators that slant left but no way in hell is it most of the media.

That being said, that is just how good the rightwing media is, they kept on with their LW media bullshit that the RW actually believes it.

TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 08:12 PM

Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 08:54 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.


Whoa. How'd you figure that? Didn't you see the list I posted above?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.


Whoa. How'd you figure that? Didn't you see the list I posted above?

They're all crazies, Oli. And most of them are associated with Fox, so I was just using Fox as a blanket statement to cover them all.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 09:18 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.


Besides Fox News, conservative radio and WSJ, everyone else leans to the left. Every major network, NBC, ABC, CBS, every singer and actor, and most local newspapers will support Obama.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 09:20 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.


Whoa. How'd you figure that? Didn't you see the list I posted above?

They're all crazies, Oli. And most of them are associated with Fox, so I was just using Fox as a blanket statement to cover them all.


No, you used Fox News because it's all you have to use. There is no other network that leans to the right. CNN, MSNBC, and HLN offset it.

And I can rattle off a list of liberal radio shows from 1600am.

Overall, Obama will receive much more support than Romney.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 09:22 PM

every single major american news outlet is equally horrible imo. they all distort facts to futher thier agenda, whether it be left or right. no such thing as a middle ground with these goofs.one of my favorite things to hear is that tool bill o'reily and his whole "fair and balanced" spiel. it's fair and balanced unless you disagree with him then he doesn't even let you talk and tries to intimidate like he's some sort of a tough guy. makes me sick. this is why i get my news from the internet.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 09:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
every single major american news outlet is equally horrible imo. they all distort facts to futher thier agenda, whether it be left or right. no such thing as a middle ground with these goofs.one of my favorite things to hear is that tool bill o'reily and his whole "fair and balanced" spiel. it's fair and balanced unless you disagree with him then he doesn't even let you talk and tries to intimidate like he's some sort of a tough guy. makes me sick. this is why i get my news from the internet.

Agreed. Both extremes are enough to make me apolitical. And MSNBC is certainly just as biased as Fox.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 09:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
every single major american news outlet is equally horrible imo. they all distort facts to futher thier agenda, whether it be left or right. no such thing as a middle ground with these goofs.one of my favorite things to hear is that tool bill o'reily and his whole "fair and balanced" spiel. it's fair and balanced unless you disagree with him then he doesn't even let you talk and tries to intimidate like he's some sort of a tough guy. makes me sick. this is why i get my news from the internet.


O'Reilly is not news. It's political commentary. He's just one man. People obsess over Fox News. Everyone else on tv and radio will be on Obama's side come election day.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 09:52 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
every single major american news outlet is equally horrible imo. they all distort facts to futher thier agenda, whether it be left or right. no such thing as a middle ground with these goofs.one of my favorite things to hear is that tool bill o'reily and his whole "fair and balanced" spiel. it's fair and balanced unless you disagree with him then he doesn't even let you talk and tries to intimidate like he's some sort of a tough guy. makes me sick. this is why i get my news from the internet.

Agreed. Both extremes are enough to make me apolitical. And MSNBC is certainly just as biased as Fox.


Fox News most likely features a liberal guest or two on every single program to debate O'Reilly and Hannity. That's their formula for success. Debate. So you can't accuse them of not offering an opposing view.

Fox News is one network. People act like it's some kind of monopoly.

I'd guess most mainstream television shows will support Obama or keep their mouths shut.

The View. That show alone reaches more people than O'Reilly could dream of reaching. Then you have "comedians" who are full-fledged political commentators now. Jon Stewart and Bill Maher the most prominent.

Just about every daytime syndicated show like Anderson Cooper and others will support Obama too. Even shows like Family Guy and South Park will do their part like they did last time. All this more than offsets Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 10:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Everyone else on tv and radio will be on Obama's side come election day.


Your posts are sprinkled with terms that are rather comprehensive adjectives such as each, every, all, everyone. You might want to be more discriminating when using such adjectives to garner more respect; your emotion is transparent. Your adamancy reminds me of one poster who is on vacation.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 11:14 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Everyone else on tv and radio will be on Obama's side come election day.


Your posts are sprinkled with terms that are rather comprehensive adjectives such as each, every, all, everyone. You might want to be more discriminating when using such adjectives to garner more respect; your emotion is transparent. Your adamancy reminds me of one poster who is on vacation.


In-other-words, I should have said "most" instead of "all", but you know I'm right, so you get in a jab and call me emotional.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 11:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
but you know I'm right,


Believe it or not, there are some whom don't see things your way. Really! That doesn't make their view wrong.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/07/12 11:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.


Whoa. How'd you figure that? Didn't you see the list I posted above?

They're all crazies, Oli. And most of them are associated with Fox, so I was just using Fox as a blanket statement to cover them all.


No, you used Fox News because it's all you have to use. There is no other network that leans to the right. CNN, MSNBC, and HLN offset it.

And I can rattle off a list of liberal radio shows from 1600am.

Overall, Obama will receive much more support than Romney.


The problem is that most of those liberal shows dont get anywhere near the listeners that guys like Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and the rest of their crew get. It's ridiculous the amount of money these guys make and the amount of people listening to them on a day to day basis. There was a report a few years back that said more than HALF of conservatives in the South reported tuning into one of these guys at least once a week and not watching/listening to ANY other news besides them. These guys have an incredible ability to mobilize their base at their will.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 12:00 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I agree, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about all the money that he's raising. It's unbelieveable.


Same here. I heard that he's raised over $300 million in just the past three months alone. I guess the rich would rather pay him to protect their interests than to pay their share of taxes.


Yep, and its not just the money he's raising. The Super PAC cash from all these billionaires who are supporting him is absolutely insane.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
but you know I'm right,


Believe it or not, there are some whom don't see things your way. Really! That doesn't make their view wrong.


By attacking my adjectives instead of the points I made, it kind of makes me think my points are right, which is why the person got personal with me.

I said in my next post that most, not all are going to be on Obama's side.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 12:10 AM

Discussions about politics, like religion, brings out the worst in us. There is no use for any of us to nitpick or make personal replies (but I know sometimes they just slip out). ohwell

Doesn't anyone talk about sex anymore?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 12:18 AM

@ dapper don

Conservative radio is effective. We saw that last week when people came together in support of Chick-fil-A. So is liberal media. Remember when Jon Stewart and others did the anti-Beck rally in DC? So both sides have their guys who can rally the base. It's not just conservatives. Not recognizing this shows bias.

And just like there are people who get all or most of their news from Rush and Beck, there are many who get all their news from liberal sources like NY1, or NY Times.

People listen to or read what they want to hear. I'm glad that someone can hear Rush or Beck. I'm glad that someone can read Paul Krugman or Maureen Dowd. That's what makes America great. Opposing views are available. For now.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 12:25 AM

August 1 Quinnipiac Poll of likely voters

FLORIDA: Obama 51 - Romney 45
OHIO: Obama 50 - Romney 44
PENNSYLVANIA: Obama 53 - Romney 42
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 12:31 AM

Who cares about Pennsylvania? It has not been a swing state in years.

Obama won Florida by about 2.5% GOP swept in 2010 midterms. Obama knows it's going to be very close here, which is why he campaigns in Orlando and Tampa about once a week now and spent millions running local tv ads in Florida.

Florida, Virginia and Ohio will decide this election in my opinion.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 12:43 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Discussions about politics, like religion, brings out the worst in us. There is no use for any of us to nitpick or make personal replies (but I know sometimes they just slip out). ohwell

Doesn't anyone talk about sex anymore?



I remember many times my parents cautioning all of us to never discuss religion/politics, especially with friends because you can quickly become enemies. For the most part, I've tried to do just that.

It's mostly in recent years IMHO, that things have changed, with all the misinformation, all the hatred, all the slanted news, all the attacks that makes me wanna scream. mad panic It's hard to hold back sometimes.

Ok, so ya wanna talk sex? See any good skin flicks lately? lol

TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 01:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
@ dapper don

Conservative radio is effective. We saw that last week when people came together in support of Chick-fil-A. So is liberal media. Remember when Jon Stewart and others did the anti-Beck rally in DC? So both sides have their guys who can rally the base. It's not just conservatives. Not recognizing this shows bias.

And just like there are people who get all or most of their news from Rush and Beck, there are many who get all their news from liberal sources like NY1, or NY Times.

People listen to or read what they want to hear. I'm glad that someone can hear Rush or Beck. I'm glad that someone can read Paul Krugman or Maureen Dowd. That's what makes America great. Opposing views are available. For now.


Thats the thing, the vast majority (over 75%) of people who read the NYTimes for example ALSO read the WSJ or the Wash Post, concurrently as opposed to the tens of millions who just listen to Rush or Beck on talk radio. Studies have shown this time and again. Some people attribute this to education, meaning that most people who read the NYTimes have a higher education (college+) and thus know on average that they should read an opposing paper (WSJ) to get both viewpoints and avoid any bias. I am not trying to offend anyone, its just that is what the data has shown.

Personally, I have had a subscription to the NYTimes and the WSJ (actively read both daily multiple times) since I was a freshman and my Economics 101 Professor made us get the WSJ for class. Unfortunately for me, these papers are STILL sending me their print editions!!!
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 01:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
@ dapper don

Conservative radio is effective. We saw that last week when people came together in support of Chick-fil-A. So is liberal media. Remember when Jon Stewart and others did the anti-Beck rally in DC? So both sides have their guys who can rally the base. It's not just conservatives. Not recognizing this shows bias.

And just like there are people who get all or most of their news from Rush and Beck, there are many who get all their news from liberal sources like NY1, or NY Times.

People listen to or read what they want to hear. I'm glad that someone can hear Rush or Beck. I'm glad that someone can read Paul Krugman or Maureen Dowd. That's what makes America great. Opposing views are available. For now.


Thats the thing, the vast majority (over 75%) of people who read the NYTimes for example ALSO read the WSJ or the Wash Post, concurrently as opposed to the tens of millions who just listen to Rush or Beck on talk radio. Studies have shown this time and again. Some people attribute this to education, meaning that most people who read the NYTimes have a higher education (college+) and thus know on average that they should read an opposing paper (WSJ) to get both viewpoints and avoid any bias. I am not trying to offend anyone, its just that is what the data has shown.

Personally, I have had a subscription to the NYTimes and the WSJ (actively read both daily multiple times) since I was a freshman and my Economics 101 Professor made us get the WSJ for class. Unfortunately for me, these papers are STILL sending me their print editions!!!


When Jon Stewart came here to Tampa he bought a ton of ad time on Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity on 970am. I asked someone at the station why a liberal commentator would target hardcore conservatives.

I was told that not all people who listen to Rush are conservative. Many are liberals tune-in for entertainment. Makes sense. I'm no liberal, but I do tune in to Al Sharpton on 1600am or Maddow on msnbc.

So it works both ways.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 01:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
@ dapper don

Conservative radio is effective. We saw that last week when people came together in support of Chick-fil-A. So is liberal media. Remember when Jon Stewart and others did the anti-Beck rally in DC? So both sides have their guys who can rally the base. It's not just conservatives. Not recognizing this shows bias.

And just like there are people who get all or most of their news from Rush and Beck, there are many who get all their news from liberal sources like NY1, or NY Times.

People listen to or read what they want to hear. I'm glad that someone can hear Rush or Beck. I'm glad that someone can read Paul Krugman or Maureen Dowd. That's what makes America great. Opposing views are available. For now.


Thats the thing, the vast majority (over 75%) of people who read the NYTimes for example ALSO read the WSJ or the Wash Post, concurrently as opposed to the tens of millions who just listen to Rush or Beck on talk radio. Studies have shown this time and again. Some people attribute this to education, meaning that most people who read the NYTimes have a higher education (college+) and thus know on average that they should read an opposing paper (WSJ) to get both viewpoints and avoid any bias. I am not trying to offend anyone, its just that is what the data has shown.

Personally, I have had a subscription to the NYTimes and the WSJ (actively read both daily multiple times) since I was a freshman and my Economics 101 Professor made us get the WSJ for class. Unfortunately for me, these papers are STILL sending me their print editions!!!


When Jon Stewart came here to Tampa he bought a ton of ad time on Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity on 970am. I asked someone at the station why a liberal commentator would target hardcore conservatives.

I was told that not all people who listen to Rush are conservative. Many are liberals tune-in for entertainment. Makes sense. I'm no liberal, but I do tune in to Al Sharpton on 1600am or Maddow on msnbc.

So it works both ways.


Steward did that on purpose as a joke, he talked about it on his show. To each his own.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 01:26 AM

It's the misinformation that bothers me. When President Obama took office, many people purchased guns and stockpiled ammunition because word was (from many of the right wing pundits mentioned above) that he was a crazy liberal that would take away their guns. However, the Brady Center, a powerful anti-gun lobby, gave President Obama an F.

Or when Sarah Palin gave speeches about the "death panels" that would decide the fate of the elderly and disabled if Obamacare was passed. It was just made up out of Sarah Palin's imagination.

Or the infamous "Joe the Plumber" from the last election, whose name is Sam and who wasn't a licensed plumber.

I don't mind intelligent debate. I enjoy it and I think it's wonderfully healthy. However, the important word there is "intelligent".
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 01:35 AM

Stewart did it because he had to sell more than 4,000 tickets and knew Republicans like me would go. And we did.

Stewart was not even in charge of advertising. The venue pays him and they're responsible for advertising and selling tickets.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 01:41 AM

LOL @ "Joe The Plumber". He uses his middle name.

What's Dan Quayle's real name?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 01:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
What's Dan Quayle's real name?


Potato? lol
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 01:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
What's Dan Quayle's real name?


Potato? lol


In other words, Joe's name really ain't an issue that holds up.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 01:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
What's Dan Quayle's real name?


Potato? lol


No, no. It's potatoe.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 01:53 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
What's Dan Quayle's real name?


Potato? lol


No, no. It's potatoe.


Good one!!

She says potato you say potatoe.....let's call the whole thing off. lol Couldn't resist.

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 02:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
What's Dan Quayle's real name?


Potato? lol


In other words, Joe's name really ain't an issue that holds up.



First of all, "ain't" isn't a word. Second of all, I was commenting on misinformation, so it does. And third, since that is the one piece of minutiae that you decided to seize upon, by countering with the name of another REPUBLICAN that doesn't use his real name, I guess you agree with the substance of my post.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 02:12 AM

How is it misinformation if Joe uses his middle name instead of his first? That's hardly an issue. I "seized" on it to show how childish that kind of thinking really is.

I agree that people did buy guns when Obama won. That's their right. I have no problem with it. But why buy guns if they're only going to be taken away? Makes no sense unless you're going to buy the gun illegally.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 02:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
How is it misinformation if Joe uses his middle name instead of his first? That's hardly an issue. I "seized" on it to show how childish that kind of thinking really is.

I agree that people did buy guns when Obama won. That's their right. I have no problem with it. But why buy guns if they're only going to be taken away? Makes no sense unless you're going to buy the gun illegally.



Exactly who said guns were going to be taken away? confused To my knowledge this administration has done absolutely nothing about it. I don't recall the President even mentioning he wanted to take guns away.

TIS
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 02:22 AM

TIS,

You said that people ran out and bought guns because they thought Obama was a "crazy liberal" who was going to take guns away.

Truth is, conservative pundits did recount a story from Chicago where a man shot a home intruder with an illegal handgun and Obama sided against the home owner. Obama has been painted as anti-gun by his opponents.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 02:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
TIS,

You said that people ran out and bought guns because they thought Obama was a "crazy liberal" who was going to take guns away.

Truth is, conservative pundits did recount a story from Chicago where a man shot a home intruder with an illegal handgun and Obama sided against the home owner. Obama has been painted as anti-gun by his opponents.



First, it wasn't me that said that people bought guns because Obama was a crazy liberal; and secondly I don't know that story that the conservative pundits spoke of (link?). confused I would think it would be fair to hear the entire story if it were indeed true. And thirdly, the last thing I'd do however is believe a conservative pundit on his/her word alone.

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 02:38 AM

1. Sam the Non-Plumber told President Obama that his tax policies were going to penalize him as a middle class guy and keep him from realizing his dream of buying the plumbing contractor business where he was employed. He was then trotted out at several McCain campaign events as a symbol.

I mentioned it because he used the name "Joe the Plumber" and his name is Sam and he isn't a plumber. He lied about wanting to buy the business he worked for: he lacked the funds to do so and he wasn't a licensed plumber and therefore couldn't operate a plumbing contracting company. I don't know how else to make that point easier to understand, that it was complete and total misinformation.

2. People stockpiled guns and ammunition because they were told that serious gun control was on the way, so they were getting while the getting was good. They were stockpiling against a future when guns would be made unavailable; however, that day was never going to come. While he has been painted as "anti-gun" by conservatives, there is no basis for it. He has not passed any gun-control legislation in his years in the White House. Again, it's complete and total misinformation.

If someone wants to take issue with something the President did, at least let it be real, and not something someone made up.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 03:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
1. Sam the Non-Plumber told President Obama that his tax policies were going to penalize him as a middle class guy and keep him from realizing his dream of buying the plumbing contractor business where he was employed. He was then trotted out at several McCain campaign events as a symbol.

I mentioned it because he used the name "Joe the Plumber" and his name is Sam and he isn't a plumber. He lied about wanting to buy the business he worked for: he lacked the funds to do so and he wasn't a licensed plumber and therefore couldn't operate a plumbing contracting company. I don't know how else to make that point easier to understand, that it was complete and total misinformation.

2. People stockpiled guns and ammunition because they were told that serious gun control was on the way, so they were getting while the getting was good. They were stockpiling against a future when guns would be made unavailable; however, that day was never going to come. While he has been painted as "anti-gun" by conservatives, there is no basis for it. He has not passed any gun-control legislation in his years in the White House. Again, it's complete and total misinformation.

If someone wants to take issue with something the President did, at least let it be real, and not something someone made up.


Who cares if his name is "Sam"? Did it bother you that Dan Quayle used his middle name? Now all of a sudden it's an issue because the level of people who follow politics is so low, first vs. middle name is a gotcha moment they need to be engaged in politics.

If he's not a plumber, but did plumbing, I hope someone shuts down the company he worked for. It's wrong when a plumbing company sends out unlicensed people to do the work, which was the case with Joe.

You're right that people were told that strong gun laws would be passed if Obama won. This was based on his stated position while in Illinois. His hometown has the toughest gun laws(and look at the crime there). It was totally realistic to think a liberal gun-control advocate would be a threat to gun ownership. And the NRA will be telling people the same thing again.

Obama did make the "Cling to their guns and Bibles" comment, kind of mocking people who have both.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 03:24 AM

I don't give a rat's ass if his name is Mitt. The point is that he was a sham from the start, and the Republican candidate trotted him out disguised as something else.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 03:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I don't give a rat's ass if his name is Mitt. The point is that he was a sham from the start, and the Republican candidate trotted him out disguised as something else.


Also, don't forget that, as he told Sean Hannity in 2008, he was a welfare recipient as were his parents.
Posted By: Vinny_Jackson

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 04:01 AM

Love politics. This is an interesting thread for so many reasons. I would think most who posted here would go back and read what it is they said in the past. Interesting.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 04:09 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I don't give a rat's ass if his name is Mitt. The point is that he was a sham from the start, and the Republican candidate trotted him out disguised as something else.


Also, don't forget that, as he told Sean Hannity in 2008, he was a welfare recipient as were his parents.


I believe it. But the "gotcha" to his story is that he used his middle name, which is not uncommon, and worked for a licensed plumber but didn't have a license himself. So he did the sh!t work that a real plumber would be paid more for.

Calling yourself a plumber when you work for one is not dishonest.
Posted By: Vinny_Jackson

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 04:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: klydon1
I don't see the race hinging on one state right now, but I think right now Romney needs to win both Florida and Ohio. If either of these states goes blue, he's cooked.

I agree, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about all the money that he's raising. It's unbelieveable.


He's raising it because people are genuinely afraid Obama will win again.

Besides, a Republican has to raise more money to be competitive because the Democrats always have the media on their side which is worth hundreds-of-millions in free publicity.

So if Romney raises more money, he still may not have leveled the playing field.
lol Tell that to Bill and Hillary Clinton who always said the media were against them.

I love it when people use opinion and myth as fact. FOX News = Fair and Balanced. CNN is liberal. The media are on the side of the Democrats. lol Yeah, the media has a side alright -- follow the money. Follow the money on political spending.
Posted By: Vinny_Jackson

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 04:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I don't give a rat's ass if his name is Mitt. The point is that he was a sham from the start, and the Republican candidate trotted him out disguised as something else.


Also, don't forget that, as he told Sean Hannity in 2008, he was a welfare recipient as were his parents.


I believe it. But the "gotcha" to his story is that he used his middle name, which is not uncommon, and worked for a licensed plumber but didn't have a license himself. So he did the sh!t work that a real plumber would be paid more for.

Calling yourself a plumber when you work for one is not dishonest.
Sort of like calling yourself a Doctor or a Lawyer when you work for one, eh? When the media image, the symbolism is exposed as fraudulent it makes people more cynical. People like Joe the Plumber need to be shamed and spat upon in public. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
Posted By: Vinny_Jackson

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 04:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
1. Sam the Non-Plumber told President Obama that his tax policies were going to penalize him as a middle class guy and keep him from realizing his dream of buying the plumbing contractor business where he was employed. He was then trotted out at several McCain campaign events as a symbol.

I mentioned it because he used the name "Joe the Plumber" and his name is Sam and he isn't a plumber. He lied about wanting to buy the business he worked for: he lacked the funds to do so and he wasn't a licensed plumber and therefore couldn't operate a plumbing contracting company. I don't know how else to make that point easier to understand, that it was complete and total misinformation.

2. People stockpiled guns and ammunition because they were told that serious gun control was on the way, so they were getting while the getting was good. They were stockpiling against a future when guns would be made unavailable; however, that day was never going to come. While he has been painted as "anti-gun" by conservatives, there is no basis for it. He has not passed any gun-control legislation in his years in the White House. Again, it's complete and total misinformation.

If someone wants to take issue with something the President did, at least let it be real, and not something someone made up.
It's called being a Dupe. This Sam/Joe was nothing more than a campaign prop who became a media figure. The media makes you, they take you down. The man was an idiot to be used as he was, but today most people would do anything for their 15 minutes of fame. People like him are like toilet paper to campaigns. Wipe and dispose and flush.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 04:19 AM

When I listen to talk radio it's mostly to listen to the people who call in. BTW which isn't very often.
Posted By: Vinny_Jackson

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 04:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
When I listen to talk radio it's mostly to listen to the people who call in. ...


clap
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 05:33 AM

Is Sandra Fluke a "Dupe" for being a figure in this election cycle? She's going to introduce Obama at a rally.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 05:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Is Sandra Fluke a "Dupe" for being a figure in this election cycle? She's going to introduce Obama at a rally.



Joe BIden is like a statue and sometimes look like he's been out drinkin he has those little beatty eyes that say I don't give a shit
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 07:55 AM

Tell me what politician does give a shit?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 02:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I don't give a rat's ass if his name is Mitt. The point is that he was a sham from the start, and the Republican candidate trotted him out disguised as something else.


Also, don't forget that, as he told Sean Hannity in 2008, he was a welfare recipient as were his parents.


I believe it. But the "gotcha" to his story is that he used his middle name, which is not uncommon, and worked for a licensed plumber but didn't have a license himself. So he did the sh!t work that a real plumber would be paid more for.

Calling yourself a plumber when you work for one is not dishonest.


No, it's NOT the "gotcha" moment. I explained it numerous times, but you are either being deliberately obtuse or refuse to actually understand reason.

He was a sham, created by the REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT'S CAMPAIGN. McCain and Palin loved to trot him out and point to him as the middle class guy that Obama's small business tax policies were going to destroy, when he was not the owner of the small business and was never going to own that small business. His name was invoked numerous times during the final debate. The media didn't create him. The Republican campaign did.

BTW, Joe has managed to parlay those "15 minutes" into a run for office. He's running for Congress in Ohio's 9th on the Republican ticket.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 03:39 PM

Joe the Plumber was (is) a sham. Palin and then Rs milked him to the max. He got is 15 minutes and is still trying to milk it out by this run in Ohio. rolleyes





TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 04:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe

BTW, Joe has managed to parlay those "15 minutes" into a run for office. He's running for Congress in Ohio's 9th on the Republican ticket.


But when you have Herman Cain campaign for you, you know you're not going anywhere.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 05:25 PM

Joe the Plumber was just a pawn in the righty-lefty bullshit. We're living in the age of reality television where people like Snooki and Company become set for life by virtue of, well, having no virtues. So you can hardly blame Joe for taking advantage of his fifteen minutes.

If I lived in Ohio, would I vote for him?

Of course not, but it's not his fault that the media turned him into an instant celebrity four years ago.

Hell, doesn't anyone remember the "rent-is-too-damned-high" guy?

They're both in the same boat: Instant celebrities who tried to cash in. In these economic times, you can hardly blame them.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 05:32 PM

Remember the late, great Pat Paulsen and his presidential campaigns?

In his deadpan tones he told us, "I have a sound plan to eliminate street crime in the country. I'm getting rid of the streets."

He also said that all of America's problems can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy...of the American Indian.

He also said he opposed the right to bear arms, but supported the right to arm bears.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 05:40 PM

Yes, Paulsen was a master of the deadpan statement.

But I have some sympathy for Joe since I don't think he realizes that he is a pawn.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/08/12 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
But I have some sympathy for Joe since I don't think he realizes that he is a pawn.

That's exactly how I feel.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/09/12 02:14 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Joe the Plumber was just a pawn in the righty-lefty bullshit. We're living in the age of reality television where people like Snooki and Company become set for life by virtue of, well, having no virtues. So you can hardly blame Joe for taking advantage of his fifteen minutes.

If I lived in Ohio, would I vote for him?

Of course not, but it's not his fault that the media turned him into an instant celebrity four years ago.

Hell, doesn't anyone remember the "rent-is-too-damned-high" guy?

They're both in the same boat: Instant celebrities who tried to cash in. In these economic times, you can hardly blame them.


People who still talk about Joe The Plumber are the leftist version of conservatives who still talk about Rev Wright or Obama's birth certificate.

The lesson I learned is that licensed plumbers like to subcontract work to non-licensed "plumbers".
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/09/12 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
People who still talk about Joe The Plumber are the leftist version of conservatives who still talk about Rev Wright or Obama's birth certificate.

The lesson I learned is that licensed plumbers like to subcontract work to non-licensed "plumbers".


Since he's the Republican nominee for a seat in Congress in this year's election, I think there's an obligation to discuss him. He has to run on his background, and his political background is primarily, if not solely, his role as the character Joe the Plumber.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/10/12 01:15 AM

If Fox says it's so, it's so:

Mitt Romney has had a tough couple of weeks on the campaign trail -- and it shows in the latest Fox News poll. After a barrage of campaign ads, negative news coverage of his overseas trip and ongoing talk about his tax returns, Romney’s favorable rating and standing in the trial ballot have declined. As a result, President Obama has opened his biggest lead since Romney became the presumptive Republican nominee.

The president would take 49 percent of the vote compared to Romney's 40 percent in a head-to-head matchup if the election were held today, the poll found. Last month, Obama had a four percentage-point edge of 45 percent to 41 percent. This marks the second time this year the president has had a lead outside the poll’s margin of sampling error.

Obama’s advantage comes largely from increased support among independents, who now pick him over Romney by 11 percentage points. Some 30 percent of independents are undecided. Last month, Obama had a four-point edge among independents, while Romney had the advantage from April through early June.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/10/12 01:40 AM

I have a good friend who is quite active in Republican politics. He said that, unfortunately, nobody can get excited over Romney.
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 08/10/12 03:01 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Remember the late, great Pat Paulsen and his presidential campaigns?

In his deadpan tones he told us, "I have a sound plan to eliminate street crime in the country. I'm getting rid of the streets."

He also said that all of America's problems can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy...of the American Indian.

He also said he opposed the right to bear arms, but supported the right to arm bears.


Pat Paulsen was unique and original. I think we need him now more than ever, and it appears I'm not the only one who thinks so - check out this Facebook page:

Pat Paulsen For President 2012

I'm tempted to say, "He's got my vote!"

Signor V.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 05:43 AM

Apparently, Paul Ryan is Romney's choice as running mate.

This is an interesting choice since Ryan will solidify the Republican base, but I don't see him attracting others. His budget austerity proposals will be a target for Democrats.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 02:30 PM

I almost fell over laughing when Mitt Romney introduced Ryan as the next POTUS, the same thing that the Republicans skewered Obama for doing four years ago when he introduced Biden. As Romney said, mistakes happen.

Ryan seems like a solid guy. However, I don't know enough about him to make judgment. He sure is photogenic and so is his family.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 02:42 PM

Looks like a solid---if a bit surprising---choice. By picking a guy so similar to himself, Romney has made the election about ideology rather than a referendum on President Obama's mediocre first term.

Call me crazy, but as blah and unlikable as Romney seems to be, I still think it's going to come down to the October jobs report and the price of gas. Maybe I'm just a simple Bronx guy, but that's what I'm hearing from people on the fence and out in the street.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 03:07 PM

I think Mitt's base really really wanted Ryan and they will be happy. However, from what I have read/heard about Ryan's Medicare reform (voucher) plan, I think the President's team can and will make that a real issue and it's an issue than people take very seriously.

I can't help but sense that Mitt is easily swayed to do whatever the far right want him to do. Or maybe it's him, hesitating to take a CLEAR stand on any one issue. He's really different than I thought he'd be. confused

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 03:33 PM

Both your's TIS and PB's are solid observations. As several pundits have said, Romney's choice of Ryan reinforces the contrast that the Republicans want to make between themselves and Democrats. However, I think that Ryan's budget plans will seem too austere for most people. He's goign to talk about social security's and medicare's future. But older voters will interpret that as threatening their social security and medicare. It won't fly.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 04:40 PM

In choosing Ryan, Romney went with the anti-Palin pick. Ryan is bright, articulate and is pretty much the architect of the party's platform on budgetary matters. Also, I'd be surprised if there was any dirt on him.

I think it is a good choice for Romney in that it more clearly defines his candidacy by focusing on the economy and government spending. Also, Romney's been a moderate, whose healthcare plan in Massachusetts is essentially the same as the President's. His views on social issues have seemed to be based on whatever is politically beneficial. So, the conservative Ryan will provide greater ideological separation between the campaigns.

Every VP choice offers advantages and disadvantages. I think an additional benefit of Ryan would be swinging Wisconsin from red to blue.

The disadvantages would be that the selection does nothing to close the gap between women voters, who are leaning heavily towards Obama, and as olivant pointed out, the elderly will be concerned about Ryan's views on social security and medicare. This will be watched closely in Florida. Also, Ryan has no foreign policy experience, and Romney's recent trips have raised questions about his diplomacy.

Also, I think the Democrats will try to capitalize on America's dissatisfaction with the present do-nothing Congress by painting him as one of the key figures of conressional paralysis.

I thought he would pick Portman, but I'm never good at predicting VP choices.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 05:24 PM

I see it solidifying the base for Romney but I think it wil hurt him with undecideds and elderly.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 06:47 PM

The following is a headline from Fox News website:

"Wisconsin congressman, in first appearance as part of Mitt Romney's GOP presidential ticket, accuses Obama of failing to fix the economy and fiscal mess ..."

When did it happen that we Americans need a President to fix the economy? How did it happen that we want the President to fix things as if we are 5 year olds with a broken tricycle? It's embarrassing.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 08:49 PM

The Dems wasted no time with two great response ads. lol





Ok, whoever is singing does not have a voice but the ad is still great I think. lol





TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 10:29 PM

Pretty good ads. The "That's Amore" one is pretty amusing. I really don't know much about Ryan at all, except that his dad died when he was a teenager and that this somehow makes him more capable to be VP.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 11:05 PM

TIS, those ads are great! LOL, the guy's voice singing in the second one sounds very funny.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/11/12 11:33 PM

Tonight Charles Krauthammer said that he didn't think Ryan's selection would affect the race very much, but that it would have a long-term effect upon the Republican Party. Quite a statement coming from a die-hard conservative.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/12/12 01:09 AM

Here's five things most people dont know about Paul Ryan:

1. His budget plans include big cuts, and there's ample room for Democrats to continue with their "Romneyhood narrative." The nonpartisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities estimates 62 percent of Ryan's cuts are to programs for the poor.

2. Ryan's budget proposals have included big changes to Medicare - including gradually replacing the program with a voucher program for private health care, and gradually raising the retirement age. That could scare older Americans, a crucial voting bloc.

3. He voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. While a lot of other Republicans did too, and it was proposed by the Bush administration, some have viewed it as a rejection of the conservative economic values Ryan and hard-line fiscal conservatives espouse.

4. He's easily pegged as Washington insider. He's been in Congress since 1999, and before that he worked as a congressional staffer. Congressional approval ratings are abysmally low- a recent CBS News/NY Times poll showed that only 12 percent of voters approve of the way Congress is doing its job.

5. This is both a pro and a con to Ryan, depending on who you ask, but he's notably further to the left on the issue of lesbian, bisexual, gay and transgender rights than the base of the party. He broke with a lot of his party to support the Employee Non-Discrimination Act in 2007. He explained his reasoning for the vote in this way: "They [his gay friends] didn't roll out of bed one morning and choose to be gay. That's who they are."

http://news.yahoo.com/5-things-mitt-doesnt-want-know-paul-ryan-162758609.html
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/12/12 04:28 AM

I just read that Congressman Ryan's only other job was driving the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile. He was also voted "Biggest Brown-noser" of his high school graduating class. I find these two things strangely adorkable.

His critics say he has no executive experience and no foreign policy experience, the same criticism leveled at President Obama. I'm not sure what to think of this guy.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/12/12 05:22 AM

Babe, I heard Chris Matthews say he brings a biography to the campaign that Romney doesn't. He comes from a modest background, has a modest lifestyle, lost his father at an early age, he's Catholic, and he has a definitive plan for stimulating the economy and addressing the national debt.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/12/12 02:28 PM



By Comparison, Joe Biden lost his first wife years ago when his children were very young. He later married Jill who has actually been their mother all these years. Like Ryan, Biden is also Catholic I believe. smile



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 08/12/12 11:14 PM

"He'll pay Less, You'll Pay More"

That's actually a good bumper sticker.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Election 2012 - 08/16/12 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
It's a fact as you see it, not me. I sure as hell can't make you see things my way, and that's fine, but I can assure you that you'll apologize to klydon (by your own admission you don't know anything about his clients) or you'll face the consequences.

You don't want to get into a pissing contest with me on this point.


Reading this reminds me of my school teachers.. wink
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/16/12 11:19 PM

Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/17/12 03:08 AM

From President Obama's speech at a Democratic National Committee Finance dinner:

“The other side drove the economy into the ditch, and we’ve been down there and putting on our boots, and it’s muddy, and it’s hot, and there are bugs swarming, and we’ve been pushing and shoving and sweating, trying to get this car out of the ditch,” Obama said.“And the Republicans have been standing there, sipping on a Slurpee, watching us and saying, you’re not pushing hard enough, or you’re not pushing the right way,” the president continued to partisan laughter.

“Well, come down and help,” Obama said. “’No, no, no, you go ahead,’” the president said, illustrating the Democratic complaint that the GOP is the party of no.

“Finally, we get the car up on level ground, and it is -- it’s kind of dinged up. I mean, it wasn’t good for the car to be driven into the ditch. And it needs some body work, it needs a tune-up, it needs a carwash, but it’s moving,” Obama said defending his economic policies which Democrats argue have prevented things from getting worse and have helped improve some types of job creation.

“Suddenly we get a tap on the shoulder and the Republicans say, ‘We want the keys back,' " Obama said. “You can’t have the keys back. You can’t drive. That’s why we were in the ditch. And as soon as they get into power, they will throw that car right back in reverse. There’s a reason why, when you want to go forward, you put it into ‘D,’ and when you go backward, it goes into ‘R’.”
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 08/17/12 03:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
From President Obama's speech at a Democratic National Committee Finance dinner:

“The other side drove the economy into the ditch, and we’ve been down there and putting on our boots, and it’s muddy, and it’s hot, and there are bugs swarming, and we’ve been pushing and shoving and sweating, trying to get this car out of the ditch,” Obama said.“And the Republicans have been standing there, sipping on a Slurpee, watching us and saying, you’re not pushing hard enough, or you’re not pushing the right way,” the president continued to partisan laughter.

“Well, come down and help,” Obama said. “’No, no, no, you go ahead,’” the president said, illustrating the Democratic complaint that the GOP is the party of no.

“Finally, we get the car up on level ground, and it is -- it’s kind of dinged up. I mean, it wasn’t good for the car to be driven into the ditch. And it needs some body work, it needs a tune-up, it needs a carwash, but it’s moving,” Obama said defending his economic policies which Democrats argue have prevented things from getting worse and have helped improve some types of job creation.

“Suddenly we get a tap on the shoulder and the Republicans say, ‘We want the keys back,' " Obama said. “You can’t have the keys back. You can’t drive. That’s why we were in the ditch. And as soon as they get into power, they will throw that car right back in reverse. There’s a reason why, when you want to go forward, you put it into ‘D,’ and when you go backward, it goes into ‘R’.”




and that was a great line.....
who is going to ask to see Obama's Drivers license next...

saw this one online and I laughted ....some great writers out there with some real wits...I wish they could all come together and fix todays problems tho...

__________________________________________________



I am really concerned about North Korea's appointment of Kim Jung Un to be the new leader of North Korea-- a nuclear
power!

Kim Jung Un had NO military experience whatsoever before Daddy made him a four-star general in the military. This is a snot-nose twerp who has never
accomplished anything in his life that would even come close to military leadership: he hasn't even so much as led a Cub Scout troop, coached a
sports team or commanded a military platoon. So guess what---next they make him the "beloved leader" of the country. Terrific!

Oh, crap! I'm sorry. I just remembered that we did the same thing here in the USA. We took an arrogant community organizer who has never worn a uniform and made him Commander-in-Chief; a guy who has never had a real job, worked on a budget or led anything more than an ACORN demonstration, and made him the leader of this country.


I'm sorry I brought this
up. Never mind.


Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/17/12 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
Oh, crap! I'm sorry. I just remembered that we did the same thing here in the USA. We took an arrogant community organizer who has never worn a uniform and made him Commander-in-Chief; a guy who has never had a real job, worked on a budget or led anything more than an ACORN demonstration, and made him the leader of this country.

And he's about to be re-elected. How do you like those apples? lol
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/17/12 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
And he's about to be re-elected. How do you like those apples?


I think he loves all apples.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/17/12 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
And he's about to be re-elected. How do you like those apples?


I think he loves all apples.

I got that wink.

I think she calls him and tells him what to post lol.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 08/17/12 08:00 PM

Is it OK to be against a Stimlus that you requested money from?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/17/12 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
And he's about to be re-elected. How do you like those apples?


I think he loves all apples.

I got that wink.

I think she calls him and tells him what to post lol.



Ha ha ha lol


TIS
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 08/17/12 08:50 PM

OH MY,... frown Quick someone posted a joke panic about OUR man Obama..

mad we can't have that...gather up the troops so we can put a stop to that.... cry

Signed,
Joe Biden

tongue lol lol
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/20/12 02:52 AM

Here we go again:

Sen. Claire McCaskill is probably having a pretty good Sunday. Her opponent in the Missouri Senate race, Republican Rep. Todd Akin, has spent most of the day backtracking after saying that victims of "legitimate rape" cannot biologically become pregnant and thus do not need access to legal abortions.

"First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy after rape] is really rare," Akin told KTVI-TV in defense of his stand that rape victims should not be allowed to access abortions. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

Akin said that even if a rape victim does somehow become pregnant, "I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/20/12 03:33 AM

What "doctors" told him that? The members of the Moron Doctor's Club???
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 08/20/12 03:51 AM

WTH is legitimate rape? And how does the body shut down?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/20/12 04:08 PM

He's a stupid, extremist jerk. But you can't blame all Republicans for his inane rant anymore than you can blame all Democrats for Joe Biden.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 08/20/12 05:42 PM

Agree with you on that PB.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 08/20/12 05:44 PM

Ok so the guy is a moron. Can we stop with all this nonsense about Biden's "chains" and this idiot's ideas on rape? Arent there some economic, security and future direction of the country issues out there?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/20/12 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Ok so the guy is a moron. Can we stop with all this nonsense about Biden's "chains" and this idiot's ideas on rape? Arent there some economic, security and future direction of the country issues out there?

That was my point. You can't blame either party as a whole for the stupid comments of a few imbeciles.

Last time I checked this was still an election year and this country was still in terrible economic shape, with troubling security issues. I think it's time for everyone on both sides to address the real issues here, and to stop reporting nonsense.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 08/21/12 11:27 PM

The wrong side must not win smile
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 12:10 AM

That's great, Lilo.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 12:25 AM

Thanks SB. I thought it was pretty good as well. No matter what happens in November the world is going to keep on turning...
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 01:08 AM

My grandfather used to say that whether Candidate A or B won an election, he still would have to get up the next morning, put on his hat and coat and go to work.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 03:36 AM

Don't forget that the Republican convention starts Monday and the Democratic convention starts the following monday.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
My grandfather used to say that whether Candidate A or B won an election, he still would have to get up the next morning, put on his hat and coat and go to work.


Not so much any more. The winner has to go to work, but the loser can have a book ghost written, go o a speaking tour and make money doing practically nothing.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Don't forget that the Republican convention starts Monday and the Democratic convention starts the following monday.


Are they each a week long?? I don't remember. confused





TIS
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 06:28 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: olivant
Don't forget that the Republican convention starts Monday and the Democratic convention starts the following monday.


Are they each a week long?? I don't remember. confused

They go on for four days and nights.



TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: olivant
Don't forget that the Republican convention starts Monday and the Democratic convention starts the following monday.


Are they each a week long?? I don't remember. confused





TIS


4 days
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 06:33 PM

The conventions generally run four days. That is assuming it won't be postponed by Hurricane Isaac.

Imagine that.... the convention was almost derailed by an illegitimate rape and may now be postponed by a big blowjob.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
The conventions generally run four days. That is assuming it won't be postponed by Hurricane Isaac.

Imagine that.... the convention was almost derailed by an illegitimate rape and may now be postponed by a big blowjob.



Ha ha ha ha lol I did hear that the GOP DID have a "plan B" ready just in case. smile

Btw, I also hear that Joe Biden will be making an appearance (Tampa I think) that same day. lol


TIS
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 06:58 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: SC
The conventions generally run four days. That is assuming it won't be postponed by Hurricane Isaac.

Imagine that.... the convention was almost derailed by an illegitimate rape and may now be postponed by a big blowjob.



Ha ha ha ha lol I did hear that the GOP DID have a "plan B" ready just in case. smile

Btw, I also hear that Joe Biden will be making an appearance (Tampa I think) that same day. lol


TIS



Damn, frown Joe forgot which party he was in AGAIN! lol lol
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/22/12 09:14 PM

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Just as the city of Charlotte, N.C., gears up to host the Democratic National Convention, an atheist group is mounting a billboard campaign attacking the religious faiths of President Obama and GOP challenger Mitt Romney.

The signs, paid for by American Atheists Incorporated (AAI) and appearing along keylocal highways, include messages such as: "Christianity: Sadistic God, Useless Savior" and "Mormonism: Magic Underwear, Baptizes Dead People, Big Money, Big Bigotry." AAI President David Silverman told FoxNews.com the signs are aimed at keeping religion and politics separate as the convention gets under way Sept. 3.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/.../#ixzz24JOhTKh2
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 01:01 PM

Why do they even have conventions anymore? They are just outdated pep rallies that are irrelevent in this day and age. Think of all the negative ads each party could buy if they took the money they were spending at the convention for them.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 03:20 PM

You got to read this:

(CNN) -- An elected county judge in Texas is warning that the nation could descend into civil war if President Barack Obama is re-elected, and is calling for a trained, well-equipped force to battle the United Nations troops he says Obama would bring in.

The comments by Lubbock County Judge Tom Head, who oversees emergency planning efforts, were broadcast by CNN affiliate KJTV. He made similar remarks on radio station FOX Talk 950.

Saying that as the county's emergency management coordinator he has to "think about the very worst thing that can happen and prepare for that and hope and pray for the best," Head told radio host Jeff Klotzman that he believes "in this political climate and financial climate, what is the very worst thing that could happen right now? Obama gets back in the White House. No. God forbid."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/texas-judge-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 03:30 PM

hey guys i came across this really interesting video that deals with all the bullshit that goes on behind the scenes before debates, including strange agreements between candidates as well as reasons for excluding people not part of the two major parties. it talks about how crooked the commission on presidential debates really is. this is a must watch guys...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NXhoP5bQ2M&feature=youtu.be
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 03:35 PM

^^Judge Head needs to have his examined. I'm not sure on what facts he's basing his imagined scenario, but he brought fear mongering to a new level.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 03:37 PM

I saw that article yesterday. I understand the freedom of speech but for a judge is that even ethical? uhwhat Isn't that something like inciting a riot should an outbreak of some kind occur? One thing for sure, it's scary.



TIS
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I saw that article yesterday. I understand the freedom of speech but for a judge is that even ethical? uhwhat Isn't that something like inciting a riot should an outbreak of some kind occur? One thing for sure, it's scary.



TIS


In most jurisdictions judges never publicly weigh in on policy matters. To maintain a proper, judicial temperament, judges, even if elected, know how to hold their tongues, and try to limit public discourse to the bench.

It sounds like most of the people in Lubbock are humored or embarrassed by the judge, so the violent revolt will have to wait.

I'm surprised Judge Head didn't address Obama's birth certificate or label him a Muslim.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I saw that article yesterday. I understand the freedom of speech but for a judge is that even ethical? uhwhat Isn't that something like inciting a riot should an outbreak of some kind occur? One thing for sure, it's scary.



TIS


In most jurisdictions judges never publicly weigh in on policy matters. To maintain a proper, judicial temperament, judges, even if elected, know how to hold their tongues, and try to limit public discourse to the bench.

It sounds like most of the people in Lubbock are humored or embarrassed by the judge, so the violent revolt will have to wait.

I'm surprised Judge Head didn't address Obama's birth certificate or label him a Muslim.


I thought in the same lines. Say other nutjob Orly Taitz or the like, brings an Obama birth certificate case in front of this judge. I mean any doubt how he'd rule???? Duh!! panic He should be embarrassed/ashamed he even opened his mouth.

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 04:36 PM

I sure hope the Secret Service gives this guy the deepest cavity search of all time! Isn't what he's saying considered a threat against the president??
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 05:01 PM

Kly, such a judge presides over the county's governing body which is the commissioners court. Such judges have constitutional jurisdiction over misdemeanors and civil cases. They also hear appeals from JP and municipal courts as well as de novo. In urban counties, they practice as administrators; in rural counties they practice more as judges.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 07:53 PM

Heard on tv that it's looking more likely that hurricane won't hit Tampa?? Seriously though, wouldn't it be safest for the RNC to just move to another location? It's not worth taking the risk is it? confused At this point, and with the time so near AND the fact that they said they had a plan B, I'd go with plan B.




TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 08:13 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Seriously though, wouldn't it be safest for the RNC to just move to another location?


Probably too late to move to a completely new location. I'm surprised that anyone would schedule a big event like this in Florida in late August/September.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/23/12 09:38 PM

Just saw this ad today. lol


TIS


Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/24/12 05:09 PM

Really, Rush?? You've GOT to be kidding.

http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981573692

Despite how outlandish the claim seems, Limbaugh said on his program Wednesday that "The National Hurricane Center, a government agency, (is) very hopeful that the hurricane gets near Tampa." This is because, according to Limbaugh, "The National Hurricane Center is Obama. The National Weather Service is part of the Commerce Department," he says. "It's Obama."

The radio host added, "we don't need the National Hurricane Center. We don't need all these weather dolts analyzing this (the hurricane) for us." So, Mr. Limbaugh, does that mean that the public should listen to you, and your expert meteorological opinions? You do have a degree in meteorology, right? Right?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/24/12 05:12 PM

Hurricane Rush lol.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/24/12 05:35 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Hurricane Rush lol.


He's already a blowhard.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 08/26/12 11:58 AM

Irish President Give US conservatives a piece of his mind
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/26/12 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Really, Rush?? You've GOT to be kidding.

http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981573692

Despite how outlandish the claim seems, Limbaugh said on his program Wednesday that "The National Hurricane Center, a government agency, (is) very hopeful that the hurricane gets near Tampa." This is because, according to Limbaugh, "The National Hurricane Center is Obama. The National Weather Service is part of the Commerce Department," he says. "It's Obama."

The radio host added, "we don't need the National Hurricane Center. We don't need all these weather dolts analyzing this (the hurricane) for us." So, Mr. Limbaugh, does that mean that the public should listen to you, and your expert meteorological opinions? You do have a degree in meteorology, right? Right?



Ha ha ha ha!! I heard that but didn't believe it til I read it. Sadly, some nutjobs will actually believe it. The gospel according to Rush. rolleyes

TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/26/12 04:15 PM



Another story in which I saw the headline but didn't read/listen to audio. Wow, that was great. I don't know this Irish President but I found him very impressive. smile


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/26/12 05:58 PM

Ya'll may remember that Pat Robertson opined that the devastation of New Orleans as a result of Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for that city's sinful ways. Is God sending Isaac to punish Tampa or the GOP or both?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/26/12 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Ya'll may remember that Pat Robertson opined that the devastation of New Orleans as a result of Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for that city's sinful ways. Is God sending Isaac to punish Tampa or the GOP or both?

Don't lower yourself to his level, Oli. You're better than that smile.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 08/27/12 01:03 PM

Romney, yeah Romney, He's got that presidential look to him,,,, that presidential hair
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/28/12 04:23 PM



Outstanding oratory. What I found most interesting was that whenever the host attempted to interrupt or stop him, the president's argument became more forceful and swift.
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Election 2012 - 08/28/12 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Romney, yeah Romney, He's got that presidential look to him,,,, that presidential hair


Yes, those white wings like Paulie Walnuts. Paulie dressed better.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/29/12 06:07 PM

So, what did ya'll think of the speeches last night? Fox commentators seemed less than enthusiatic about them. Brit Hume was the only one who seemed otherwise.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/29/12 06:23 PM

I enjoyed Ann Romney. I thought she did a good job of coming off as "down-to-earth."

But she's not the one running for President wink.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/29/12 06:26 PM

I wasn't able to watch the coverage last night. I would like to hear Paul Ryan tonight. The conventions usually give a nice bump in the polls to their candidates. It will be interesting to see if Romney can generate momentum from this week.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/29/12 08:13 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I enjoyed Ann Romney. I thought she did a good job of coming off as "down-to-earth."

But she's not the one running for President wink.


That is so interesting: someone wants to be President, but someone else has to explain them to the voters.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/29/12 08:41 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
I wasn't able to watch the coverage last night. I would like to hear Paul Ryan tonight. The conventions usually give a nice bump in the polls to their candidates. It will be interesting to see if Romney can generate momentum from this week.


As long as he gets a bump in Florida and two other swing states, it's all that counts. Everyone else has made up their mind.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/29/12 11:56 PM

I also enjoyed Ann Romney's speech, I passed out halfway through Christie's (not because it was bad or anything) so I cant speak too much on that. But from what I have gathered he basically laid a little groundwork down for himself for a possible future run, he didnt even mention Obama during his speech and didnt mention Romney until 16! minutes into it.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 12:10 AM

Dont believe the hype that it was Obama who blew up the debt. He did contribute to it, but not as much as some people want you to think.

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 12:19 AM

A good analysis. One thng for members to keep in mind is that the FY 2009 federal budget was prepared by the Bush Administration. Prepearation of federal budgets by the Obama Administration did not begin until FY 2010.

In any case, most people focus on the increase in the National Debt. They don't realize that it is funded debt the interest payments on which only amount to about 6% of the annual federal budget.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
A good analysis. One thng for members to keep in mind is that the FY 2009 federal budget was prepared by the Bush Administration. Prepearation of federal budgets by the Obama Administration did not begin until FY 2010.

In any case, most people focus on the increase in the National Debt. They don't realize that it is funded debt the interest payments on which only amount to about 6% of the annual federal budget.


Yep, I am a numbers/data guy. I generally support Democratic candidates but have voted Republican a few times in my short voting career. I personally try and cut through all the BS coming from either side and just look at the raw data and come to my own conclusion on what is going on. The big deciding factors for me are candidate's tax plans and their proposed economic agendas. Then Social programs (social security, medicare, etc) and education, then foreign policy/national security. I personally dont really care much about social issues (abortion, gay marriage) because I think the government shouldnt be sticking their nose in that arena so in that respect I am pro-choice and support gay marriage (which I used to be against).
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 02:50 AM

Oh, my. I don't think Mr. Ryan is a very good speaker. In contrast to Sarah Palin's speech at the last convention, which I thought was very well-delivered. Paul Ryan, you've somehow managed to combine condescending and boring.

One thing we did notice, we didn't see one person of color in the crowd. You're in Florida, and there aren't even any Latinos for you to parade in front of the camera??
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 02:54 AM

as soon as ron paul dropped out of the race it was over for me. romney and obama both make me equally sick. my vote would be for gary johnson.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 12:41 PM

Keep It Classy Repubs

Probably won't help them get that swing vote but you never know...
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 02:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Keep It Classy Repubs

Probably won't help them get that swing vote but you never know...


The two nut throwers were removed from the arena...and offered their own talk shows on FOX News.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 04:51 PM

That's awful. But you can't condemn an entire party for a couple of crazies.

As everyone here knows, I'm a moderate Democrat. But I never vote for a party. Ever. So I try to keep things objective if I can. These assholes were thrown out of the convention, as they should have been. End of story.

And what about that asshole from Yahoo? The guy gets picked up on tape saying that the Romneys are partying while Black people were drowning in New Orleans. Was that called for?

Assholes like him are the reason that many Black people have no use for White liberals. I'm glad he got fired.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Keep It Classy Repubs

Probably won't help them get that swing vote but you never know...


The two nut throwers were removed from the arena...and offered their own talk shows on FOX News.



I think it's a fake hate crime. Why else would the story die down so quickly? It has been two days and we have heard nothing more, which is very suspicious.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Keep It Classy Repubs

Probably won't help them get that swing vote but you never know...


Just like the story about the Tea Party surrounding a black congressman when Obamacare was passed and using the "N" word. But the story was never confirmed nor caught on video in an age when just about everything is.

After the Duke Lacrosse fiasco(and even Tawana Brawley), you really have to be skeptical about many of these stories.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 10:21 PM

No, you really don't. There are disgusting people of all walks of life. Glad these were dealt with handily.

Please note my comments above, though. We searched and searched every shot of the crowd and couldn't find one Asian, one Latino, but finally spotted one black man in the crowd. Thousands of people, and they're all white? How does that represent America?
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 11:26 PM

^^^well there was NM Gov. Martinez lol

But you are absolutely right.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/30/12 11:43 PM

SB,

You're absolutely right. AND, who do they get as their "surprise" speaker tonight? An old white guy: Clint Eastwood. lol




TIS
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 03:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
No, you really don't. There are disgusting people of all walks of life. Glad these were dealt with handily.

Please note my comments above, though. We searched and searched every shot of the crowd and couldn't find one Asian, one Latino, but finally spotted one black man in the crowd. Thousands of people, and they're all white? How does that represent America?


Sounds like the racial makeup of a Yankees home game.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 03:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
We searched and searched every shot of the crowd and couldn't find one Asian, one Latino, but finally spotted one black man in the crowd. Thousands of people, and they're all white? How does that represent America?


Sounds like the racial makeup of a Yankees home game.


The Yankees aren't running for the country's highest position. By not including a large segment of the nation's population at their convention they are doing themselves a lot of harm. One Condi Rice just doesn't cut it.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 03:43 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
We searched and searched every shot of the crowd and couldn't find one Asian, one Latino, but finally spotted one black man in the crowd. Thousands of people, and they're all white? How does that represent America?


Sounds like the racial makeup of a Yankees home game.


The Yankees aren't running for the country's highest position. By not including a large segment of the nation's population at their convention they are doing themselves a lot of harm. One Condi Rice just doesn't cut it.


Ok. And if there were a lot of blacks in the crowd, you all would be crying they're plants, nothing more than window dressing for show.

Blacks aren't a "large segment" of the population. That's why they're called a "minority".

Perhaps you missed the Mia Love speech? Yeah. I'm sure you did.

Or Marco Rubio? I think he's a minority. Susana Martinez? Pienso que ella es Latina!
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 03:47 AM

Well, the Fox pundits were underwhelmed again just like they were about Christie's speech. Megyn Kelly just said that "tonight he was Romney and we'll find out if that is good enough for the country."
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 03:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Ok. And if there were a lot of blacks in the crowd, you all would be crying they're plants, nothing more than window dressing for show.

Blacks aren't a "large segment" of the population.


Don't make the mistake of trying to talk for me.

Blacks and Latinos make up over 25% of the population. I'd call that a large segment.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 03:52 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Well, the Fox pundits were underwhelmed again just like they were about Christie's speech. Megyn Kelly just said that "tonight he was Romney and we'll find out if that is good enough for the country."


Extremists watch Fox News. People who watch that network are either extreme conservatives who live and die by the gospel according to Hannity, or extreme liberals looking for anything to pick apart.

One should be able to listen to the speeches and draw their own conclusions without help.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 03:59 AM

SC.

Then we should do away with affirmative action because they're minorities in name only.

How can anyone tell the racial makeup of the crowd? Especially Latinos, who are not always mestizo.

And I don't see how you can look at the crowd tonight and conclude racism without doing the same to sporting events, or even this board? How many African Americans post here? Are we a bunch of white racists because we congregate on a message board where I'll bet minorities, blacks in particular are underrepresented.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 04:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
And I don't see how you can look at the crowd tonight and conclude racism without doing the same to sporting events, or even this board? How many African Americans post here? Are we a bunch of white racists because we congregate on a message board where I'll bet minorities, blacks in particular are underrepresented.


I don't understand how you can even compare the two, but then again I don't understand how anyone can support the Republican agenda.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 04:14 AM

SC,

I compare the two because I find the whites who are most vocal about racism are the ones who have the least amount of interaction with blacks or other minorities in their day-to-day lives.

And it is a valid comparison. Don't say the GOP is racist because blacks don't attend their convention and then say black absence in other aspects of life is not relevant.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 04:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
And it is a valid comparison. Don't say the GOP is racist because blacks don't attend their convention and then say black absence in other aspects of life is not relevant.


Again, I cannot follow any logic in your thinking. ohwell
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 04:18 AM

And what about the Republican agenda do you not like?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 10:37 AM

Washington Post Article

Quote:
“The demographics race we’re losing badly,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.). “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”


Black Republican's take on convention

Quote:
When I came into the party with George H.W. Bush, there was a pipeline of other African Americans who worked for the Republican National Committee in the headquarters, staffers who worked for Reagan, etc. We are now some of the most experienced operatives in the game; many of us have our own firms or work for corporate America. Unfortunately, we are never consulted on party issues unless there is an overtly black angle or, more typically, someone in the party leadership has done something stupid and they expect us to go on camera to provide cover.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 02:50 PM

What was that Clint Eastwood thing about?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 03:05 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
What was that Clint Eastwood thing about?



Ha ha ha! It took me a few minutes to realize he was talking to the empty chair. I was wondering what the hell he was doing.

lol



TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
What was that Clint Eastwood thing about?



Ha ha ha! It took me a few minutes to realize he was talking to the empty chair. I was wondering what the hell he was doing.

lol






TIS


I think he is still backstage talking to the water cooler.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 03:55 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
What was that Clint Eastwood thing about?


I'd say about twenty minutes too long.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
What was that Clint Eastwood thing about?



Ha ha ha! It took me a few minutes to realize he was talking to the empty chair. I was wondering what the hell he was doing.

lol






TIS


I think he is still backstage talking to the water cooler.


lol

I liked the idea of having him appear and speak, but the idea of an old man talking to an empty chair on stage was kind of bizarre.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
And it is a valid comparison. Don't say the GOP is racist because blacks don't attend their convention and then say black absence in other aspects of life is not relevant.


Again, I cannot follow any logic in your thinking. ohwell


It makes total sense. Absence of blacks should mean racist crowd whether it's a political gathering, sporting event, message board one likes to frequent, or the demographics in your own zip code or town.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 10:56 PM

^^^i think the word you want to use is segregated instead of racist. Thats a pretty big generalization.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 08/31/12 11:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
^^^i think the word you want to use is segregated instead of racist. Thats a pretty big generalization.


The Tea Part is racist for being all white, but when people turned the tables on liberals and their OWS movement for being all white, people didn't like it. And make no mistake about it, OWS was very white although there were fake attempts by Al Sharpton to get blacks involved but people saw OWS for what it was. A largely white political movement. Hypocrisy.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 01:02 AM

SV, your complete inability to complete a logical thought is so very persistent. The audience of a baseball game, the members of this board, they are OPEN to everyone. Who chooses to participate or not is a different story. Also, Geoff and SC are not running for POTUS and VPOTUS (although it's not a terrible idea).

Government is supposed to be inclusive, it's supposed to be for ALL Americans. This is the most ethnically diverse country in the world, yet I think that the population was poorly represented in the audience of the GOP convention. And maybe I can't spot a Latino in the audience, but I damn well can spot an Asian or black person, and there weren't any.

As for OWS, perhaps that speaks well to minorities that they didn't participate, since the members were mostly without any sort of real political agenda. All they did was protest things, but weren't very definite about what they were for or against. We just knew they were for themselves and against everyone else.
Posted By: EddieCoyle

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 01:06 AM

Well said Sicilian Babe.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 01:22 AM

clap

Even Businessweek thinks so:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08...draw-minorities
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 03:43 AM

By the way, did ya'll catch Jan Brewer's (AZ Republican Governor) on MSNBC last night?

"I know if President Obama is elected in November, which I hope he is, he will be able to come together with all of us and come up with a solution. I believe he will secure our borders. And therefore, we can resolve all of the other issues as a simple matter," she said.
Posted By: Don Zadjali

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 08:17 AM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
What was that Clint Eastwood thing about?













Clint Eastwood Talking To A Chair (The Song)
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 12:04 PM

i think skinny vinny makes alot of valid points. why even bring the race card out? maybe black people just didn't wanna attend that event, who knows. were there people outside preventing minorities from entering the building? people are too quick to wanna label someone or some group as racist. why does it seem like on here left=good while right=bad when both parties have done damage to this county?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 01:14 PM

Diversifying the GOP isn't just good PR: it may be necessary for the party's national viability. The Republican base has gotten whiter and whiter, but whites are shrinking as a percentage of the overall electorate...
Huffington

Who would have thought that states like Virginia and North Carolina would be swing states for a Black democrat in 2012?

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

Eventually, probably not in 2016 but perhaps by 2020 and definitely by 2024, given current demographic and voting trends, a state like Texas will become a swing state. That would be the death knell for the current version of the Republican Party winning a national election. Like it or not the country is changing. The Republican Party has to win a respectable proportion of the Hispanic-American vote to win the Presidency. This will be even more urgent as the Hispanic-American population grows and moves to "red" states.

Unless there is a seismic shift of white liberals and moderates to the Republican Party over the next few elections, the Republican Party will not be able to run on its current messages and win.

In my view both parties are just different wings of the same system but the Republican Party since Goldwater and Nixon has made a bargain with some very reactionary elements of the country. But those groups are declining in numbers. The Party will have to adapt and change, just as Clinton did for the Democrats in 92. It's better for both parties and the country if neither party can take voters for granted or write off their votes.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
i think skinny vinny makes alot of valid points. why even bring the race card out? maybe black people just didn't wanna attend that event, who knows. were there people outside preventing minorities from entering the building? people are too quick to wanna label someone or some group as racist. why does it seem like on here left=good while right=bad when both parties have done damage to this county?


I posted this above; you probably didn't read it.

"Even Businessweek thinks so:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-30/republicans-stage-diverse-show-amid-struggle-to-draw-minorities"
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
By the way, did ya'll catch Jan Brewer's (AZ Republican Governor) on MSNBC last night?

"I know if President Obama is elected in November, which I hope he is, he will be able to come together with all of us and come up with a solution. I believe he will secure our borders. And therefore, we can resolve all of the other issues as a simple matter," she said.


she said that? i am shocked.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 05:26 PM

I saw that too. LOL It had to be a mistake. I swear that women is in Lala land half the time anyway. She never seems "all there" IMHO lol


TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 05:30 PM

I saw when MSNBC tried to ask her some questions after the RNC and she made believe that she couldnt hear them so she didnt have to answer. The question was about Romney's flip flops (Healthcare, women's rights, etc)
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 05:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
^^^i think the word you want to use is segregated instead of racist. Thats a pretty big generalization.


The Tea Part is racist for being all white, but when people turned the tables on liberals and their OWS movement for being all white, people didn't like it. And make no mistake about it, OWS was very white although there were fake attempts by Al Sharpton to get blacks involved but people saw OWS for what it was. A largely white political movement. Hypocrisy.


OWS for the most part (over 50%) were unemployed hippies and hipsters, homeless people following the group for free food/place to stay, and a bunch of other random people protesting for shits and giggles. I know a few of my friends who went to OWS just to take pictures, etc. OWS never got a coherent message across.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 06:00 PM

I'm a Democrat and I thought OWS was absolutely fucking ridiculous. A bunch of aimless kids, trust fund goofballs and aging hippies with no direction and no end game. They had no idea what they were protesting and in the end it showed.

Capitalism ain't going nowhere. Go occupy an online job application, maybe take a bath, people will take you a lot more seriously.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 06:10 PM

^^Amen to that.

A buddy of mine from college was soo happy when OWS fizzled out since he had to deal with them every single day because he worked for the commercial real estate company which owned Zuccotti Park where they were occupying. He told me stories of all the crap they found in the park after the OWS left things like needles, drugs, condoms, human feces, etc.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 08:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
i think skinny vinny makes alot of valid points. why even bring the race card out? maybe black people just didn't wanna attend that event, who knows. were there people outside preventing minorities from entering the building? people are too quick to wanna label someone or some group as racist. why does it seem like on here left=good while right=bad when both parties have done damage to this county?


I pointed out, quite correctly, that it was a bit of a shock to see a sea of white faces. If you're supposed to be representing the people, then how can you claim to do so when the people are not represented? I never used the word racist. I believe that Vinny was the first one, as usual, to throw that card down.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/01/12 09:09 PM

True SB. It's obvious exactly who is playing the "race card." Even Lindsey Graham (R) of S.C., talking about diversity, and how "THEY" are losing badly, said:

The demographics race we’re losing badly,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.). “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

TIS


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a...03a7_story.html
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/02/12 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
i think skinny vinny makes alot of valid points. why even bring the race card out? maybe black people just didn't wanna attend that event, who knows. were there people outside preventing minorities from entering the building? people are too quick to wanna label someone or some group as racist. why does it seem like on here left=good while right=bad when both parties have done damage to this county?


Forest Hills Queens is the kind of neighborhood where whites self-identify as liberal, but if you were to arrange for a bus full of black day camp kids to use their private swimming pools, they would pull their own kids out and find another pool to use. The same people whose parents and grandparents took the freedom buses to Alabama in the 60's were complaining when Forest Hills zone was changed to send kids to mostly black Jamaica HS. Hypocrites.

The same white people looking at the demographics at the RNC are the ones who would never let their kids go to a mostly black NYC HS or swim at McCarren pool in Williamsburg. Everyone else is the racist though.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/02/12 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
SV, your complete inability to complete a logical thought is so very persistent. The audience of a baseball game, the members of this board, they are OPEN to everyone. Who chooses to participate or not is a different story. Also, Geoff and SC are not running for POTUS and VPOTUS (although it's not a terrible idea).

Government is supposed to be inclusive, it's supposed to be for ALL Americans. This is the most ethnically diverse country in the world, yet I think that the population was poorly represented in the audience of the GOP convention. And maybe I can't spot a Latino in the audience, but I damn well can spot an Asian or black person, and there weren't any.

As for OWS, perhaps that speaks well to minorities that they didn't participate, since the members were mostly without any sort of real political agenda. All they did was protest things, but weren't very definite about what they were for or against. We just knew they were for themselves and against everyone else.


C,

Blacks are free to attend the RNC just like they're free to attend OWS or a Yankees game or NHL game. They choose not to. No one is preventing them from attending.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/02/12 10:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

C,

Blacks are free to attend the RNC just like they're free to attend OWS or a Yankees game or NHL game. They choose not to. No one is preventing them from attending.


Not sure what your "C" reference is; however, attendance to attend the convention is not a choice. You must be elected as a delegate. Do a little research before you shoot your mouth off.
The Republican Party of the United States, also known as the GOP for "Grand Old Party," elects delegates to represent states at its national conventions. The process of becoming a delegate can be tricky, as each state has its own rules and process. In addition, those in control of the process vary with each Republican presidential candidate. The Republican National Committee dictates when states can begin delegate selection.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 09/02/12 11:21 PM

I would cover up those brass balls
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

C,

Blacks are free to attend the RNC just like they're free to attend OWS or a Yankees game or NHL game. They choose not to. No one is preventing them from attending.


Not sure what your "C" reference is; however, attendance to attend the convention is not a choice. You must be elected as a delegate. Do a little research before you shoot your mouth off.



Wow ..... C, whistle
I would cover up those brass balls, If I were you. lol
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/03/12 01:20 AM

Brass balls? On the anonymous internet? Not even close.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/03/12 01:57 AM

C,

not all attendees were elected officials. same goes for the DNC in Charlotte. In fact, it will be very easy to get into the stadium this week.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/03/12 02:04 AM

Gee, why don't you just come out with it, Vinny? Don't hold back. Or don't you have the goods?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/03/12 02:09 AM

C,

You're simply mistaken. "Fans" who often acted as volunteers were allowed, even encouraged to attend the events at the Forum.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/03/12 02:11 AM

Who is "C"? confused
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/03/12 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Who is "C"? confused




I was wondering the same thing, who IS C? confused Vinny seems to have disappeared.


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/03/12 06:23 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: SC
Who is "C"? confused




I was wondering the same thing, who IS C? confused Vinny seems to have disappeared.


TIS


C was the gatekeeper at the RNC who made it easy for people to gain admission (especially black and hispanic people); he'll also be the gatekeeper at the DNC where he'll make admission relatively easy.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/03/12 07:16 PM

^^lmao

Speaking of the DNC, I have two friends who will partake in the DNC activities this week. Should be interesting, I want to hear Bill's and Obama's speeches, respectively.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/03/12 11:26 PM

If I cared it would be interesting to do some research to see when exactly country music (and many country musicians) became so reactionary because some of the older country music was about the downtrodden and/or the working class.

We are really going to have some interesting discussions going forward in this country regardless of who wins the election. The intense feeling that some have of having "lost" something because Obama is President is quite telling.

Hank Williams Jr. spews more lies

Quote:
But even Hank Sr. might have been gagging on his bourbon in the great beyond Sunday night after hearing the bigoted comments his little Bocephus made at the Stockyards Music Festival.
“We’ve got a Muslim for a President who hates cowboys, hates cowgirls, hates fishing, hates farming, loves gays, and we hate him!” Williams said, as the crowd let out a loud but less-than-unanimous cheer.
The 63-year-old singer began his anti-gay commentary a few songs earlier, mocking “queer guitar pickers” in the middle of “All My Rowdy Friends Have Settled Down” before moving on to his next target: Liberal politicians, who he told to “move to Mexico” at the end of “We Don’t Apologize For America.”
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 12:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe

The Republican Party of the United States, also known as the GOP for "Grand Old Party," elects delegates to represent states at its national conventions. The process of becoming a delegate can be tricky, as each state has its own rules and process. In addition, those in control of the process vary with each Republican presidential candidate. The Republican National Committee dictates when states can begin delegate selection.



I thought the RNC was very patriotic. The floor was red, all the seats were blue, and delegates were all white. wink
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 12:36 AM

@ so a country singer runs his mouth and it's "reactionary" but many in other genres support Mumia and well that's awesome.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 12:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
so a country singer runs his mouth and it's "reactionary" but many in other genres support Mumia and well that's awesome.


Mumia? Who is that?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 01:06 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
so a country singer runs his mouth and it's "reactionary" but many in other genres support Mumia and well that's awesome.


Mumia? Who is that?


He's C's cousin.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 01:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
@ so a country singer runs his mouth and it's "reactionary" but many in other genres support Mumia and well that's awesome.


Deflection rears its ugly head. I don't believe I wrote a mumbling word about Mumia. You have zero idea what I think about Mumia nor is that case relevant in any way to the matter at hand.

What I did write about was wondering why an ignorant and evidently malicious man like Hank Williams Jr. finds it necessary to lie and claim that the President is a Muslim. Why does Hank Williams Jr. think that the President hates farmers or fishing? Why does he think that the President hates cowboys? Does he have any evidence to support that claim? Or is he just excreting ignorance through his piehole?

Also is there something wrong with Muslim politicians? Should there be religious tests for office? Williams' comments seems to imply that there is something wrong with a Muslim politician and we should have such tests. But I'm also confused because people were blasting the President for attending Wright's church. Now some people are saying he's a Muslim. Well which is it? And why did he compare the President to Hitler?

And yes Williams' music and views are indeed reactionary. I'm glad the South lost the Civil War. Williams...not so much.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 01:11 AM

so Country music can't talk about Obama or politics but when Bush was President, it was just fine? how about some consistency!!!
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 01:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
so Country music can't talk about Obama or politics but when Bush was President, it was just fine? how about some consistency!!!


Anybody can talk about the President or Politics BUT the way they are doing it (e.g. the example cited above) is blatantly false, racist, disrespectful, and just plain ignorant.

When Kanye West called President Bush racist because of the lack of a federal response to Hurricane Katrina, everybody jumped on him and demanded he apologize (which he did).

In this case nobody is calling for this country singer to apologize or anything. That is a lack of consistency.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 02:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Or is he just excreting ignorance through his piehole?

This.

What makes me sick are those who feel compelled to make up lies. If you disagree with the man's policies, then come up with an intelligent, well thought-out argument. However, spouting lies and hate-mongering makes me want to puke.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 05:48 AM

@ Lilo,

It's wrong to say Obama is a Muslim now. Especially in this context he's using it as an insult.

Truthfully, Obama was a Muslim as a child. Indonesia requires all children to have a religion and for Obama, his father Lolo Soetoro registered him as a Muslim. Even Catholic schools in Indonesia are forced to offer Koran classes for Muslim students because it's illegal to prosthelytize. Obama talks about Koran class in one of his books.

Had Obama been raised in the US, he probably would not have had a religion at all. Ironically he's the only Protestant on either ticket which is kind of funny.
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 06:13 AM

I don't get why in America it's such a big deal about the religion of Candidates etc?? Who cares if their a Muslim, Christian or Aetheist etc, if they are a good president that's all that should matter.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 06:19 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyScarfo
I don't get why in America it's such a big deal about the religion of Candidates etc?? Who cares if their a Muslim, Christian or Aetheist etc, if they are a good president that's all that should matter.


Because America never had a President with anything but a Christian background before. With Obama, we have a President with a Muslim background in Indonesia who converted to Christianity.

Even JFK had problems being a Catholic. Religion has always been an issue.

Why do you think Obama suddenly started going to church four weeks ago?
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 01:06 PM

If Obama just started going to church 4 weeks ago, why did the Fox News crowd raise such a stink about Reverend Wright? You really need to do a little research and not believe what Rush Limbaugh tells you.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 02:44 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyScarfo
I don't get why in America it's such a big deal about the religion of Candidates etc?? Who cares if their a Muslim, Christian or Aetheist etc, if they are a good president that's all that should matter.


I agree, and think most others do too. There is a very vocal, self-righteous segment of the population, however, that seeks to exploit fears and prejudices of others by demonizing Muslim Americans, atheists, etc.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 03:10 PM

These rumors are ridiculous, but they persist because ignorance spreads like wildfire.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 03:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
These rumors are ridiculous, but they persist because ignorance spreads like wildfire.


IMHO Ignorance & in many cases obstinance. I think many know they are spreading lies and simply don't care. rolleyes


TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 03:29 PM

I seem to remember something in the constitution about there being no religious tests to allow people to hold office. Where are the "original intent" people when we need tham?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 03:37 PM

If Rush or any of the talking heads on Fox News said Obama worshipped Satan, more than half their audience would believe it.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 03:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
If Rush or any of the talking heads on Fox News said Obama worshipped Satan, more than half their audience would believe it.


JL (How are you btw?)

If I'm not mistaken, when Obama was running in 08 some on the right did think he WAS the anti-Christ no? lol I'm sure some still want to believe it. Ridiculous! Everyone knows the anti-Christ was W. lol


TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


JL (How are you btw?)

If I'm not mistaken, when Obama was running in 08 some on the right did think he WAS the anti-Christ no? lol I'm sure some still want to believe it. Ridiculous! Everyone knows the anti-Christ was W. lol


I'm good and still here. How are you?

The far right made so many outrageous claims in 08, it wouldn't surprise me. Hell, the birthers are still trying to say he wasn't born in Hawaii. rolleyes

Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
If Obama just started going to church 4 weeks ago, why did the Fox News crowd raise such a stink about Reverend Wright? You really need to do a little research and not believe what Rush Limbaugh tells you.


He started going again after a long leave of absence.

The AP and NY Times did the stories on Obama going back to church.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Don Marco
If Obama just started going to church 4 weeks ago, why did the Fox News crowd raise such a stink about Reverend Wright? You really need to do a little research and not believe what Rush Limbaugh tells you.


He started going again after a long leave of absence.

The AP and NY Times did the stories on Obama going back to church.


"Going back" and "Just started" are not the same thing.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:00 PM

Paul Ryan bears an uncanny resemblance to Eddie Munster.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:05 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Paul Ryan bears an uncanny resemblance to Eddie Munster.


Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Paul Ryan bears an uncanny resemblance to Eddie Munster.




He looks like the guy from glee in that picture lol
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Don Marco
If Obama just started going to church 4 weeks ago, why did the Fox News crowd raise such a stink about Reverend Wright? You really need to do a little research and not believe what Rush Limbaugh tells you.


He started going again after a long leave of absence.

The AP and NY Times did the stories on Obama going back to church.


"Going back" and "Just started" are not the same thing.


Either way, he took a long time off, and the mainstream media felt the need to do stories about Obama going to church again.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:12 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
I seem to remember something in the constitution about there being no religious tests to allow people to hold office. Where are the "original intent" people when we need tham?

Don't kid yourself, DT. There are still too many who feel that America is a Judeo-Christian nation. If there weren't, Obama wouldn't be forced into photo-ops at Church. He could just tell everyone it's no one's business what religion he practices (if any). And I say this as a Democrat who is also a practicing Catholic.

Speaking of which: @ Skinny_Vinny.

What difference does it make if Obama studied Islam in school?

I mean, I went to Catholic school for 17 years (I'm including college at Fordham University, a Jesuit school), and we studied other religions extensively. And my schooling ended over thirty years ago, before it was considered politically correct to do so.
Posted By: Sam_Bowers

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Please note my comments above, though. We searched and searched every shot of the crowd and couldn't find one Asian, one Latino, but finally spotted one black man in the crowd. Thousands of people, and they're all white? How does that represent America?





Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Either way, he took a long time off, and the mainstream media felt the need to do stories about Obama going to church again.


Why did you feel the need to change the facts in your argument?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:29 PM

@ Pizzaboy.

he didn't "Study" Islam. He attended Koran classes because it was his religion. The Christian students took Bible classes. That's the law in Indonesia. Totally different than studying other religions in high school or university level.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:30 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Either way, he took a long time off, and the mainstream media felt the need to do stories about Obama going to church again.


Why did you feel the need to change the facts in your argument?


I didn't. I said "started going" and should have said "started going again". Hardly a major mistake. I'm well aware of Obama's Christian background and know he went to church in Chicago.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
@ Pizzaboy.

he didn't "Study" Islam. He attended Koran classes because it was his religion. The Christian students took Bible classes. That's the law in Indonesia. Totally different than studying other religions in high school or university level.

Fair enough.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: SC
Why did you feel the need to change the facts in your argument?


I didn't. I said "started going" and should have said "started going again". Hardly a major mistake.


I disagree (assuming it was a "mistake"). There's a BIG difference between the two.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 04:57 PM

SC,

I'm well aware of Obama going to church in Chicago. So I know about his Christian background. He talks about it in his books.

I meant that he started going back to church again, after a lengthy absence, but coincidentally just in time for the 2012 election season. Which is what appears to be the case.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 05:04 PM

This is news?

The only president who went to church regularly was Carter.
Reagan rarely went, but claimed to have someone come to the
White House to conduct some kind of worshi service. Hi excuse for not going to church was that it would be too disruptive to the other worshippers.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 05:07 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
The only president who went to church regularly was Carter.

And if Carter is the litmus test, we might be better off with an Agnostic in the White House whistle.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 05:09 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
This is news?

The only president who went to church regularly was Carter.
Reagan rarely went, but claimed to have someone come to the
White House to conduct some kind of worshi service. Hi excuse for not going to church was that it would be too disruptive to the other worshippers.


But the AP and other mainstream media are making it news now. It has become an issue. I would not know about it if it wasn't a story.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

But the AP and other mainstream media are making it news now. It has become an issue. I would not know about it if it wasn't a story.


Since I'm bored at work I spent some time Googling Obama's church going history. I can not come up with any "mainstream media" news about it. The only thing I can find is this story about Fox News trying to make it an issue a few months ago, and it turned out to be false.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/03/fox-news-obama-church-finally.html
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
This is news?

The only president who went to church regularly was Carter.
Reagan rarely went, but claimed to have someone come to the
White House to conduct some kind of worshi service. Hi excuse for not going to church was that it would be too disruptive to the other worshippers.


But the AP and other mainstream media are making it news now. It has become an issue. I would not know about it if it wasn't a story.


I see nothing on the NY TImes about this at all. I did see an article that said that Obama has chosen the same method as GW Bush when it comes to worship - the chapel at Camp David. No president since Carter has regularly attended a church in Washington - the Secret Service protection rules make it a huge undertaking. I just see nothing in the mainstream media that is even mentioning this.

Making things up is kind of like saying you ran a sub 3 hour marathon when you actually ran it is 4 hours. No marathon runner that has only completed one race would ever forget his time. This was no "it happened 20 years ago" mistake. For some reason, Ryan thought it was better to portray himself as an ex-marathoner whose best time was better than 3 hours. Sad, really.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 06:11 PM

Re Jimmy Carter.

Funny how some on the Far Left, who are always looking for excuses to pay lip service to religious freedoms, look the other way on Carter's blatant anti-Semitism because he's a Democrat. Pure hypocrisy.

And I hope my fellow Democrats don't get too upset with me about this because I'm only speaking about a few on the far side of the party. But it's enough to turn me off partisan politics even more than I already am.

I'll be 53 years old next month and Carter was the worst President of my lifetime, and probably the worst since prior to World War II.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 06:33 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy


I'll be 53 years old next month and Carter was the worst President of my lifetime, and probably the worst since prior to World War II.


I doubt there are many people that don't believe Carter was one of the worst of all time.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'll be 53 years old next month and Carter was the worst President of my lifetime, and probably the worst since prior to World War II.

I doubt there are many people that don't believe Carter was one of the worst of all time.


Yeah, but he had the best presidential brother.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'll be 53 years old next month and Carter was the worst President of my lifetime, and probably the worst since prior to World War II.

I doubt there are many people that don't believe Carter was one of the worst of all time.


Yeah, but he had the best presidential brother.

Roger Clinton vs. Billy Carter in a cage match.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Roger Clinton vs. Billy Carter in a cage match.


I'd pay to see that.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 06:42 PM

He was the only president whose brother had his own brand of beer.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 06:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
He was the only president whose brother had his own brand of beer.


That's why he was always peeing on trees.... too much Billy Beer.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/04/12 06:46 PM

Originally Posted By: SC


Yeah, but he had the best presidential brother.


Good point. lol
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 03:32 AM

The Mayor of San Antonio. Nice city but he's a weak political figure.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 04:36 AM

You all know that I did not vote for Obama and will not in November. I even think this church issue shouldn't be a issue.
What should be important is unemployment, the deficit, taxes.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 06:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
You all know that I did not vote for Obama and will not in November. I even think this church issue shouldn't be a issue.
What should be important is unemployment, the deficit, taxes.


I agree. But in the case of Obama, he attended a Church that spoke at length about US foreign policy and in a very negative tone.

Obama penned a book named after a sermon "The Audacity Of Hope". When you go so far as to title an autobiography based on your pastors sermon, you're going to draw attention to the church issue.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Mignon
You all know that I did not vote for Obama and will not in November. I even think this church issue shouldn't be a issue.
What should be important is unemployment, the deficit, taxes.


I agree. But in the case of Obama, he attended a Church that spoke at length about US foreign policy and in a very negative tone.

Obama penned a book named after a sermon "The Audacity Of Hope". When you go so far as to title an autobiography based on your pastors sermon, you're going to draw attention to the church issue.


Did we somehow get time warped back to 2008 and the same tired, old issues that were irrelevant then? First, there is nothing to your claim that there are articles about this, and secondly - Obama attends church in the same exact location that Bush did before him - Camp David's chapel. No president since Carter regularly attended church in Washington and Obama's pattern is no different.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 01:47 PM

I saw that Mutt Romney fella on the news singing his own praises the other night and he was saying that he will create 12 million jobs for the US???

How is he going to do that? You can't just pull 12 million new jobs out of nowhere can you??

Do you think he may have blowing his own trumpet smile
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 02:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


I agree. But in the case of Obama, he attended a Church that spoke at length about US foreign policy and in a very negative tone.

Obama penned a book named after a sermon "The Audacity Of Hope". When you go so far as to title an autobiography based on your pastors sermon, you're going to draw attention to the church issue.


The only person that seems to think he has a a "church issue" is you
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 02:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
I saw that Mutt Romney fella on the news singing his own praises the other night and he was saying that he will create 12 million jobs for the US???

How is he going to do that? You can't just pull 12 million new jobs out of nowhere can you??

Do you think he may have blowing his own trumpet smile


Yes, and it's not realistic. But it's no different than the unrealistic promises Obama made 4 years ago.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
I saw that Mutt Romney fella on the news singing his own praises the other night and he was saying that he will create 12 million jobs for the US???

How is he going to do that? You can't just pull 12 million new jobs out of nowhere can you??

Do you think he may have blowing his own trumpet smile


Maybe McDonald's is planning an expansion. I tell you, someone better do something about the shrinking middle class in this country before it's too late. If things keep up like this it's going to be the rich and the poor and zero middle class. Lose the middle class and thats when the real troubles will happen. More people on food stamps now then ever before. Those are people who used to be considered middle class slowly sinking into the lower poorer class.

Obama is in trouble, he should of dumped Biden months ago and begged Hillary to be his VP. This election is going to be razor close, could go either way.
Posted By: Sam_Bowers

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 07:41 PM

Soon we will all be millionaires in this country.

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Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 08:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


I agree. But in the case of Obama, he attended a Church that spoke at length about US foreign policy and in a very negative tone.

Obama penned a book named after a sermon "The Audacity Of Hope". When you go so far as to title an autobiography based on your pastors sermon, you're going to draw attention to the church issue.




The only person that seems to think he has a a "church issue" is you


When you go to a "church" that preaches "God Damn America" from the pulpit, there's a potential problem.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Just Lou



The only person that seems to think he has a a "church issue" is you


When you go to a "church" that preaches "God Damn America" from the pulpit, there's a potential problem.


People barely cared in 2008. Nodody cares in 2012.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/05/12 11:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

When you go to a "church" that preaches "God Damn America" from the pulpit, there's a potential problem.


Unless you are also willing to question Romney about his faith and some of its problematic past views, I think both candidates should be judged on their actions, not their professed creed or statements by other people.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 12:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
When you go to a "church" that preaches "God Damn America" from the pulpit, there's a potential problem.


I agree with that.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 02:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

When you go to a "church" that preaches "God Damn America" from the pulpit, there's a potential problem.


Unless you are also willing to question Romney about his faith and some of its problematic past views, I think both candidates should be judged on their actions, not their professed creed or statements by other people.


You're judged by the company you keep. Obama has said many times that Reverend Wright, who preaches hatred against America, is one of the biggest influences in his life.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 03:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Just Lou



The only person that seems to think he has a a "church issue" is you


When you go to a "church" that preaches "God Damn America" from the pulpit, there's a potential problem.


People barely cared in 2008. Nodody cares in 2012.


Which is kind of sad. I think part of the problem is that not enough people knew or understood the real connection.

But I'm not sure no one cares in 2012. The movie 2016 is doing good numbers and people have seen Obama for what he is over the last few years,
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 03:48 AM

Bill Clinton may have just given the best political speech I ever heard.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 03:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Bill Clinton may have just given the best political speech I ever heard.


No kidding. He knocked it out of the park didn't he? smile I forgot just how good he was.




TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 03:54 AM

I didn't even realize he spoke so long. When it was over, I thought it was 11PM. lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 04:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I didn't even realize he spoke so long. When it was over, I thought it was 11PM. lol


I don't remember exactly when it was over but it lasted about twice as long as it was suppose to (I thin 48 min.) lol


TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 04:25 AM

Yeah, he definitely went long. smile
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 02:07 PM

Original geschrieben von: Just Lou
Bill Clinton may have just given the best political speech I ever heard.

Was it a free speech? He didn't seem to use the teleprompters too much?
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 02:35 PM

Gee, he is good. He gave me countless orgasms. grin
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 02:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Bill Clinton may have just given the best political speech I ever heard.


Clinton always delivers from the podium. Ironically, it was his address at the 1988 DNC when he was being primed as a future prominent, political figure when he nearly derailed his national career before it even started. His keynote address droned on, and when he finally said, "In conclusion," the convention gave a roaring cheer.

While people thought his career was over, he went on Johnny Carson, joked about it, and began his reputation as the "Comeback Kid." 4 years later when he stood before the convention, he joked that 4 years ago he started a speech and returned tonight to finish it.

Oh, by the way, the 1988 speech ran 33 minutes. Last night's masterpiece was 48 minutes, but Clinton's ability to speak clearly, colloquially and directly isn't going to make anyone complain about the length.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 02:52 PM

Two points that I'm glad Clinton raised:

Romney's campaign manager, when responding to the attacks on Ryan for his multiple inaccuracies and distortions, saying that the Romney campaign won't be dictated by fact searchers. I was kind of surprised that nobody was jumping on him for that.

And the attempt of republican state legislaures to minimize the voting impact of the elderly, the poor, the young and minorities through their Voter ID legislation.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 03:11 PM

Kly,

Yesterday they were talking about how long-winded Clinton was and referred to the speech you were talking about.

Evidently, some time after that speech, Clinton appeared on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. They showed Johnny shaking Clinton's hand, Clinton sat down and immediately Johnny pulled an hourglass from under the desk and turned it upside down, as tho he was timing Clinton. It was hilarious. lol

But yea, he hit point by point and was great. smile


TIS
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 03:22 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Kly,

Yesterday they were talking about how long-winded Clinton was and referred to the speech you were talking about.

Evidently, some time after that speech, Clinton appeared on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. They showed Johnny shaking Clinton's hand, Clinton sat down and immediately Johnny pulled an hourglass from under the desk and turned it upside down, as tho he was timing Clinton. It was hilarious. lol

But yea, he hit point by point and was great. smile


TIS


I had forgotten about Carson pulling out the hour glass. lol

Another appearance of Clinton that was surprising at the time, but worked out ok for him was on the Arsenio Hall Show. At that time presidential candidates didn't do that. moreover, he threw on some sun glasses and belted out a tune on the sax with the band.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 03:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Danito
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Bill Clinton may have just given the best political speech I ever heard.

Was it a free speech? He didn't seem to use the teleprompters too much?


It was a combination of both. Most of it was pre-written, but Clinton when off on his own quite a bit last night.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 03:44 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Kly,

Yesterday they were talking about how long-winded Clinton was and referred to the speech you were talking about.

Evidently, some time after that speech, Clinton appeared on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. They showed Johnny shaking Clinton's hand, Clinton sat down and immediately Johnny pulled an hourglass from under the desk and turned it upside down, as tho he was timing Clinton. It was hilarious. lol

But yea, he hit point by point and was great. smile


TIS


I had forgotten about Carson pulling out the hour glass. lol

Another appearance of Clinton that was surprising at the time, but worked out ok for him was on the Arsenio Hall Show. At that time presidential candidates didn't do that. moreover, he threw on some sun glasses and belted out a tune on the sax with the band.


Oh yea, that's a classic. I remember it well. smile


TIS
Posted By: Scorsese

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 04:17 PM

This guy seems like hes really into his politics.


David Kappheim Told Girlfriend He Would 'Kill Her' Because She Is Liberal, Florida Police Say
Posted: 08/31/2012 1:29 pm Updated: 08/31/2012 1:29 pm


David Kappheim allegedly has very strong political views.
A Florida man "obsessed with Fox News and the Republican party" felt that his girlfriend was too "liberal" -- so he decided he had to kill her.

Police arrested David Kappheim, of Lake Park, on Saturday after the 60-year-old threatened a woman's life because of her supposed political orientation, according to a probable cause affidavit.

The report recounts several incidents in which Kappheim allegedly arrived "stark naked" at the home of his girlfriend's friend, choked his girlfriend and told her that he would "kill her and burn her home," the Palm Beach Post reports.

Kappheim explained to a sheriff’s deputy, “He was very conservative, and his girlfriend was liberal and he felt he was going to have kill her," according to the arrest affidavit, according to WPTV.

Earlier this week, Kappheim reportedly “laughed out loud" when his girlfriend said that his reckless driving was scaring her.

Kappheim is charged with domestic battery, aggravated assault and criminal mischief, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's website says.
Posted By: Sam_Bowers

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 04:18 PM

Democracy, where the votes of two idiots are worth more than that of one wise man.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 09:12 PM

These crazy stories always happen in Florida.

But I am amused by the Manhattan woman who threw out her husbands absentee ballot in 2008 because she knows he votes Republican.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/06/12 11:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Bill Clinton may have just given the best political speech I ever heard.


I have to agree, and I have heard tons of speeches in my life from accomplished people all over the place. This one is certainly up there amongst the top.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/12 03:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Bill Clinton may have just given the best political speech I ever heard.


I have to agree, and I have heard tons of speeches in my life from accomplished people all over the place. This one is certainly up there amongst the top.


I think part of the reason people are raving about Bill's speech is because he's a novelty; someone we have not seen in the spotlight much in recent years and it was good to see him back again.

On the other hand, Obama is someone we see on television too much and that makes it hard for him to really wow the crowd tonight.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/12 11:42 AM

Obama's speech
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/d...927c_print.html
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/12 02:08 PM

Anyone catch John Kerry's speech? And what about former MI Governor, Jennifer Granholm? WOW!!!! uhwhat



TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/12 05:27 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Anyone catch John Kerry's speech? And what about former MI Governor, Jennifer Granholm? WOW!!!! uhwhat

TIS


Who knew John Kerry had a sense of humor? lol
That was definitely a good audition for Secretary of State.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/12 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Anyone catch John Kerry's speech? And what about former MI Governor, Jennifer Granholm? WOW!!!! uhwhat

TIS


Who knew John Kerry had a sense of humor? lol
That was definitely a good audition for Secretary of State.


That's what I was thinking. But damn, where the heck was that spirit when he ran?

Also, loved Granholm's comment about Mitt/GM. "He got the elevator & you got the shaft." lol


TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/12 05:54 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Just Lou


Who knew John Kerry had a sense of humor? lol
That was definitely a good audition for Secretary of State.


That's what I was thinking. But damn, where the heck was that spirit when he ran?

Also, loved Granholm's comment about Mitt/GM. "He got the elevator & you got the shaft." lol


TIS


I thought the same thing. Kerry gave me the impression in 2004 that after he got "swift boated" and he fell behind in the polls, his heart was no longer in it. He seemed resigned to the fact he was going to lose.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/07/12 05:55 PM

Just started seeing this ad yesterday. A spoof on political ads. It's actually funny I think. lol


TIS

P.S. Don't worry it's neither Dem or Rep. It's just a spoof on both parties. wink


Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 01:26 AM

Obama last night did what Obama does best: orate. He gave a splendid speech. His speech was fantastic: literally, a fantasy. There is no way he can achieve any of the brilliant goals he outlined. He couldn’t do it when he had a solid majority in both houses of Congress, and hasn’t done squat since the GOP took over the House. If, as expected, they widen their control of the House and take the Senate, it’ll be four more years of gridlock. Granted, the GOP has interpreted its “duty” to the voters as not giving Obama anything he wants. But, the GOP controlled Congress during most of Clinton’s years, and he had the empathy, the political savvy and the personality to make it work. Obama doesn’t. And the Democratic Party is comatose.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Obama last night did what Obama does best: orate. He gave a splendid speech. His speech was fantastic: literally, a fantasy. There is no way he can achieve any of the brilliant goals he outlined. He couldn’t do it when he had a solid majority in both houses of Congress, and hasn’t done squat since the GOP took over the House. If, as expected, they widen their control of the House and take the Senate, it’ll be four more years of gridlock. Granted, the GOP has interpreted its “duty” to the voters as not giving Obama anything he wants. But, the GOP controlled Congress during most of Clinton’s years, and he had the empathy, the political savvy and the personality to make it work. Obama doesn’t. And the Democratic Party is comatose.


I'm not from the US so my opinion means nothing. I agree with you're post entirely though it seems Obama is running for election rather than re-election . He blames to much of his own term on bush he's already added more to the US debt in 4 yeaars than Bush added in 8 without any economic impact other than a slight gdp growth .
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 03:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Camarel
... he's already added more to the US debt in 4 yeaars than Bush added in 8 without any economic impact other than a slight gdp growth .


Whether from the US or not, research before you type. The national debt increased from $6,405 trillion in 2002 to $12,311 trillion in 2009 = an increase of $5,906 trillion. The national debt increased $1,975 trillion from 2010 through present.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 06:54 AM

Clinton might've been savvy to get what he wanted from the republicans, but look at the price he paid, agreeing to deregulation of banks. I think being stuck in the gridlock sometimes is better than compromising on what's important. And not getting squat done, is better than policies republicans pursue that would mount debt on debt. And I think it's really harsh saying he accomplished squat in his first term, he got Osama, with fraction of bloodshed and expense of what Bush started, he managed to pass the medicare bill and has done lots of good in the renewable energy field.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 07:38 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Camarel
... he's already added more to the US debt in 4 yeaars than Bush added in 8 without any economic impact other than a slight gdp growth .


Whether from the US or not, research before you type. The national debt increased from $6,405 trillion in 2002 to $12,311 trillion in 2009 = an increase of $5,906 trillion. The national debt increased $1,975 trillion from 2010 through present.


Factcheck.org says as of Jan 31 2012 Bush added 4.90 trillion ( in his 8 years ) Obama added $4.73 ( in his 3 years at that point)

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/dueling-debt-deceptions/

Some sources have since said the debt added under Obama has exceeded 5 trillion.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 08:13 AM

Most of this is obviously taken out of context it's still funny though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5VMX2JahrU&feature=player_embedded
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 03:47 PM

You and fact check made the same mistake that most calculators make: the budget that a new President implements is prepared by his predecessor. Thus, the FY 2009 budget was prepared by President Bush.

The only reliable source of debt figures is the US Treasury's Reports. As they illustrate, the national debt increased by $6.1 trillion from 10/02 through 9/09; it has increased $4.1 trillion from 10/09 through present.

Another common mistake is to forget (or not know) that the federal fiscal year differs from the calendar year and that it is only the US Congress that can pass laws and make appropriations. Thus, the accrual of national debt to Presidents is misleading, at best.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Anyone catch John Kerry's speech? And what about former MI Governor, Jennifer Granholm? WOW!!!! uhwhat

TIS


Who knew John Kerry had a sense of humor? lol
That was definitely a good audition for Secretary of State.


That's what I was thinking. But damn, where the heck was that spirit when he ran?

Also, loved Granholm's comment about Mitt/GM. "He got the elevator & you got the shaft." lol


TIS

So let me get this straight. Mitt Romney's money offends everyone, but John Kerry's doesn't?

According to Celebrity Net Worth, Romney is worth $200 million and Kerry is worth $194 million. Not much of a difference. But all of a sudden Kerry is an "everyman," worthy of Secretary of State?

He's the same mope without a personality that got bested by Bush eight years ago.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 05:37 PM

IMHO I think it's attitude NOT money. Kennedys (and others) are rich too but many still fight for the poor and "regular" people causes.

Kerry was so unfairly trashed on his war record (swift boated) when he was running. The guy fought in a war in which btw my ex-husband also was in (Viet Nam) to come back to basically no kind of recognition...as tho it wasn't a "real" war which HE along with many many others protested. And then...

This is the God's truth, during this swiftboating time, it was either CNN or MSNBC that actually had two talking heads/pundits trying to minimize Kerry's wounds (for which he got medals). One guy saying, "I don't think he bled that much," as if to dismiss it. WTF?? It's come to that? That's inexcusable. mad I was so pissed off.

Kudos to Kerry because I'm guessing that outburst has been raging inside of him for a while. He deserved to get it off his chest. I wish he would have had that "spunk" back then.

Mitt Romney is on an entirely different level of "awareness" for lack of a better word.


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 05:43 PM

I couldn't agree more on the drug-addled hippies who refused to recognize the American heroes who risked their lives in Vietnam.

Anyone who spit on a Veteran getting off one of those airplanes should have been tried and executed for treason. It's okay to hate the war, but to not support the soldiers is unconscionable.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 05:46 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I couldn't agree more on the drug-addled hippies who refused to recognize the American heroes who risked their lives in Vietnam.

Anyone who spit on a Veteran getting off one of those airplanes should have been tried and executed for treason. It's okay to hate the war, but to not support the soldiers is unconscionable.


Exactly PB! (except I don't remember the drug addled hippies NOT recognizing the heroes) wink Having lived thru the era, and knowing people who were in the war, not to mention the deaths, makes it a little more personal for someone from that era, especially a former soldier. smile

My ex told me a few stories from his time in Viet Nam. It's a whole different world there. Hard to comprehend.

TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 06:23 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

So let me get this straight. Mitt Romney's money offends everyone, but John Kerry's doesn't?

According to Celebrity Net Worth, Romney is worth $200 million and Kerry is worth $194 million. Not much of a difference. But all of a sudden Kerry is an "everyman," worthy of Secretary of State?

He's the same mope without a personality that got bested by Bush eight years ago.


I don't think it's Romney's wealth that people have a problem with. It's the Swiss and Caribbean bank accounts, low tax rate he's paying, and secret tax returns.

FWIW, I was a life long registered Republican until the 90's. Since then, the party has swung way too far to the "Right" for me. When I moved to NY and registered to vote, I elected not to enroll in either party.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 08:06 PM

I don't resent Romney's wealth any more than I resented any others' wealth (most Presidential candidates are wealthy anyway). And, if he took advantage of legal tax breaks to lower his bill, he didn't do anything that I wouldn't have done if I were as smart as he. But he has to realize that, in a Presidential election, his wealth and his tax returns are fair game. And, how he responds to challenges to both is a measure of character and potential effectiveness in office. Romney hasn't done a good job in responding.

One of the reasons I didn't vote for John Corzine when I lived in NJ was that, in his run for Senate, he refused to divulge his assets, claiming that he made a pledge to Goldman Sachs, where he had been CEO. My response was that if his pledge to Goldman Sachs was more important than clearing the air with voters, he should have stayed with Goldman Sachs.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
And, how he responds to challenges to both is a measure of character and potential effectiveness in office.


Excellent point TB.

What I would like to know is why the Bain documents submitted to the SEC listed him as CEO when he wasn't CEO and di he derive any income from holding that position. Has he told us why?
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 08:19 PM

Hackers Say They‘ve Stolen Romney’s Tax Returns and Are Demanding $1M — But Have They Really?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/hackers-...ve-they-really/
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 08:25 PM

DD they should just release them because they will never get the money that would show a sign of weakness. Romney is too cheap. His facebook, the past holiday weekened. He has posted on his FB book that his window decals for your car were 10 % off...

BTW that's De Niro in your avatar right? What movie is that from?
Posted By: DeMeo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 08:35 PM

Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
DD they should just release them because they will never get the money that would show a sign of weakness. Romney is too cheap. His facebook, the past holiday weekened. He has posted on his FB book that his window decals for your car were 10 % off...

BTW that's De Niro in your avatar right? What movie is that from?


Its Alphonse "Little Allie Boy" Persico.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 09:18 PM

^^^correct it is Allie Boy

Apparently they will release the tax returns on Sept 26 (or 28 dont remember) if they dont get their money by then.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/08/12 09:50 PM

Well the hackers can put their money where their mouth is. Evidently Hustler's Larry Flynt offered Million dollars for Mitten's taxes. lol The plot thickens. LOL


TIS


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppa...eys-tax-returns
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/09/12 05:18 AM

I don't think you'd find anything interesting in those tax returns anyway. If there was anything, wouldn't IRS be on his case? tongue

I'm not sure why people don't pay attention to what's important. There are two people with two different plans. Choose one that suits your views already, it's not like they both want to do the same plan and you look for one with less tax tricks. ohwell
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/09/12 04:28 PM

^^^well their is something in those returns that will put a negative light on his campaign, hence why he refuses to release them.

Romney gave 20 years of tax returns to McCain to be vetted for VP back in 2008, McCain then chose Palin...
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/10/12 02:11 AM

Did ya'll see the video of the Florida pizza shop guy giving the President a bear hug lifting him off the ground? Give it a view.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/10/12 02:16 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Did ya'll see the video of the Florida pizza shop guy giving the President a bear hug lifting him off the ground? Give it a view.


I just saw it a couple minutes ago. That guy was a quite the happy fellow wasn't he? I'm wondering if the Secret Service were at ease with it.

Anyway, I'm thinking that's a Presidential "first." lol


TIS
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 09/10/12 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I just saw it a couple minutes ago. That guy was a quite the happy fellow wasn't he? I'm wondering if the Secret Service were at ease with it.


TIS

The bear-hugger is lucky to be alive. Secret Service must hate campaign appearances when candidates get in the streets and start pressing the flesh.
Posted By: EddieCoyle

Re: Election 2012 - 09/10/12 04:06 AM

I read from the Daily News that he asked a Secret Service agent prior to bear hugging. The agent told him "just don't walk away with him"
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/10/12 05:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
^^^well their is something in those returns that will put a negative light on his campaign, hence why he refuses to release them.

Romney gave 20 years of tax returns to McCain to be vetted for VP back in 2008, McCain then chose Palin...


McCain chose Palin to attract Hillary votes. If he was in serious business of vetting, he wouldn't have chosen Palin in the first place. tongue

He might very well release those returns near the election to show there's nothing interesting there. I think Democrats should not make an issue of this anyway. Feels like walking into a trap of making him look good for what he has been supposed to do in the first place: paying his taxes and using every way conceivable to pay less and then releasing them to public before election.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/10/12 10:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I just saw it a couple minutes ago. That guy was a quite the happy fellow wasn't he? I'm wondering if the Secret Service were at ease with it.


TIS

The bear-hugger is lucky to be alive. Secret Service must hate campaign appearances when candidates get in the streets and start pressing the flesh.


I saw the picture yesterday, but didn't read the story. I assumed it was a staged photo op.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/11/12 11:17 AM

Speaking to the GOP, Ingraham said, "If you can't beat Barack Obama with this record, then shut down the party. Shut it down. Start new, with new people."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/10/laura-ingraham-gop-obama-shut-down-party_n_1871911.html
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 09/11/12 11:25 AM

I've always said congress should have term limits. Amongst other things.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/11/12 04:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
I've always said congress should have term limits. Amongst other things.


You are probably right, Mig, but I do have one concern. The bottom line is that a minority of leaders on both sides in the House and in the Senate actually have a clue about what is going on. In the GOP people like McCain, Lugar (formerly), and Boehner know the ropes as do people like Feinstein, Reid and Pelosi for the Dems. Many of the rest are just a bunch of pols who just want to stay in office. My concern with term limits is if the real leadership on both sids of the aisle are forced out after a certain time, there will be no one sesoned enough to stand up to the bureaucrats who NEVER leave D.C. and who could rn roughshod over the people who are supposed to be regulating them. Otherwise new faces in the House and Senate would be welcome.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/11/12 05:42 PM

I should be able to vote for whomever I want.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/11/12 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I should be able to vote for whomever I want.


Yes, as long as they are a "legal" candidate.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/12/12 09:28 PM

I don't think Romney recovers from his dumb comments last night and this morning. His ship is sinking fast.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/12/12 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I don't Romney recovers from his dumb comments last night and this morning. His ship is sinking fast.


Agree 100%.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/12/12 10:16 PM

Speaking of ships: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/dnc-russian-ships-navy-tribute-goof.html?mid=google rolleyes
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/12/12 11:26 PM

I think Romney may do the impossible - he's gonna end up making Joe Biden look like a brain surgeon.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 12:26 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
^^^well their is something in those returns that will put a negative light on his campaign, hence why he refuses to release them.

Romney gave 20 years of tax returns to McCain to be vetted for VP back in 2008, McCain then chose Palin...


McCain chose Palin to attract Hillary votes. If he was in serious business of vetting, he wouldn't have chosen Palin in the first place. tongue

He might very well release those returns near the election to show there's nothing interesting there. I think Democrats should not make an issue of this anyway. Feels like walking into a trap of making him look good for what he has been supposed to do in the first place: paying his taxes and using every way conceivable to pay less and then releasing them to public before election.


Your ABSOLUTELY right about him looking for ways to pay less, etc we all do that the best we can.

The dems want to paint Obama as an outsider, muslim, unamerican, birther, etc then he romney should continue to get hounded on the tax issue. Personally, I am happy the democractic party has grown a pair and actually tries to fight back against these negative attacks from the gop with their own negative attacks. In the past they would just let the gop run all over them and not fight back (kerry swift boat). Politics is a dirty game unfortunately.


On another note, I have been quite busy the past few days but just caught on tv the idiotic comments romney made about the recent embassy attacks. The guy might as well save himself the time/embarrassment and just give up if he is going to continue to make these dumb slip-ups. The guy has been running for president since the last election and he still cant get it right. You gotta feel for the guy.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 01:49 AM

While Fox News was trying to give the Romney comments a positive spin, Mitt Romney did a very foolish thing. For the same reason that the members of Congress stood on the steps of the Capitol and sang yesterday, when there is a crisis, America must show solidarity. To politicize the death of Americans is a disgusting move, and one I didn't think he was capable of. And to say he was "outraged" by the Obama administration's remarks, when it was a statement released by the Egyptian embassy with no connection to the White House, was really beneath even this Republican campaign.

Sarah Palin's Facebook comments were truly disgusting, and I wish she would go curl back under the the polar bear she crawled out from. If these are the faces that the Republicans want to put on their platform, I'm nauseated by them.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 02:19 AM

To be clear, the Cairo Emabassy released the statement hours before the attack on the Libyan embassy. They were trying to mollify the crowd.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 05:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
The dems want to paint Obama as an outsider, muslim, unamerican, birther, etc then he romney should continue to get hounded on the tax issue. Personally, I am happy the democractic party has grown a pair and actually tries to fight back against these negative attacks from the gop with their own negative attacks. In the past they would just let the gop run all over them and not fight back (kerry swift boat). Politics is a dirty game unfortunately.


On another note, I have been quite busy the past few days but just caught on tv the idiotic comments romney made about the recent embassy attacks. The guy might as well save himself the time/embarrassment and just give up if he is going to continue to make these dumb slip-ups. The guy has been running for president since the last election and he still cant get it right. You gotta feel for the guy.


I agree that politics is a dirty game and nice guys don't win elections. However, there's plenty to work with that we already know all about it: Bain, Ryan's relentless lying, Romney's record of running companies, Romney's religion and so on and so forth. A good lawyer wouldn't call to stand a witness whose testimony is not clear. That's how those tax returns might backfire.

On a funny note, Colbert said something to the effect that if Romney wants his question of "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" answered, he must release two more years of his tax returns. lol

//

It's really a disgrace for Muslims how things went down in Libya. Some were gathered, being quite apologetic about what happened:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/12-photos-of-benghazi-citizens-apologizing-to-amer
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 11:15 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77


It's really a disgrace for Muslims how things went down in Libya. Some were gathered, being quite apologetic about what happened:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/12-photos-of-benghazi-citizens-apologizing-to-amer



Apparently it was ordinary Libyan citizens that tried to help out the Americans trapped in the compound, and they were also the ones that carried Chris Stevens to the hospital.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 11:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe


Sarah Palin's Facebook comments were truly disgusting, and I wish she would go curl back under the the polar bear she crawled out from. If these are the faces that the Republicans want to put on their platform, I'm nauseated by them.



At least the GOP was smart enough to lock her out of the RNC.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 04:40 PM

It's terrible to judge a people by one group. Would Americans want to be judged by that crazy Baptist group that protests outside of soldiers' funderals? Or by the KKK? It's the same thing.

Yes, they want to be seen as distancing themselves from Palin, but yet they need that far right that she appeals to.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 04:54 PM

AP now says that the producer of the film isn't an Israeli Jew--he's a Coptic Christian Egyptian with a felony record. And the actors are claiming that the anti-Muslim dialog was overdubbed without their knowledge.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 04:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
AP now says that the producer of the film isn't an Israeli Jew--he's a Coptic Christian Egyptian with a felony record.

Sounds like Michael Richards claiming to be Jewish after one of his racial meltdowns. When a reporter confronted him with evidence that he had a Catholic upbringing and education, and was actually a high ranking Mason, his response was that he always "felt" Jewish rolleyes.
Posted By: carmela

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 05:02 PM

I have a suspicion that he's converted to Judaism purely for the jokes.
And this offends you as a Jewish person?
No, it offends me as a comedian.

grin

eek
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: carmela
I have a suspicion that he's converted to Judaism purely for the jokes.
And this offends you as a Jewish person?
No, it offends me as a comedian.

grin

eek

The screenshot of Jerry Seinfeld sitting on the kneeler in the confessional is forever burned into my brain. In a good way. Classic! grin
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/13/12 07:50 PM

Well, I watched a clip from this movie and sound didn't feel right. I think this dubbing claim sounds legit. But all said and done, no matter how bizarre a movie, book, etc, it doesn't warrant such violent acts. So what if someone wants to make a silly movie such as this or set Qur'an on fire? I wonder how many more of these incidents it would take to make Muslims desensitized about this issue, if it ever would. ohwell
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/12 05:34 AM

LOL
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/12 12:58 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Well, I watched a clip from this movie and sound didn't feel right. I think this dubbing claim sounds legit. But all said and done, no matter how bizarre a movie, book, etc, it doesn't warrant such violent acts. So what if someone wants to make a silly movie such as this or set Qur'an on fire? I wonder how many more of these incidents it would take to make Muslims desensitized about this issue, if it ever would. ohwell



A few years ago when a movie called "The Last Temptation of Christ" U.S. "christians" killed someone attending the movie, and threatened to bomb several theatres. Religious fnatics exist in all religions.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/12 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
A few years ago when a movie called "The Last Temptation of Christ" U.S. "christians" killed someone attending the movie, and threatened to bomb several theatres. Religious fnatics exist in all religions.

There are crazies everywhere. Can't condemn an entire religion or political organization for their wingnuts. And "The Passion of the Christ" incident was certainly proof of that. All organized religions have their faults, but I honestly feel that those that don't proselytize are the most "rational," if that's the proper term.

I mean, you don't see Catholics or Jews handing out flyers or ringing doorbells on Sunday mornings. For the most part, their faith is a bit more "private" than some of the more aggressive religious groups who always seem to be recruiting. But having said that, I certainly recognize the fact that there are plenty of fanatical Jews and Catholics in this world.

In short, another person's religious affiliation is nothing to get your balls in a bunch about.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/12 03:18 PM

Hey Pizzaboy hows it hanging
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/12 03:23 PM

Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Hey Pizzaboy hows it hanging

I'm doing well, buddy. How is your situation going?
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/12 03:38 PM

I'm alright. My dad had a double bi-pass and is coming up today or tomorrow so I got my hands full
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/12 03:41 PM

Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
I'm alright. My dad had a double bi-pass and is coming up today or tomorrow so I got my hands full

Don't be sneaking him a Philly cheesesteak. He'll try to guilt you, but don't fall for it smile.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/12 04:38 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
I'm alright. My dad had a double bi-pass and is coming up today or tomorrow so I got my hands full

Don't be sneaking him a Philly cheesesteak. He'll try to guilt you, but don't fall for it smile.


Haha I'm about to go visit him in a little bit. I hope they give me an extra day and don't try and send him home I have to get a bed for him for downstairs temporarily and then we have a nurse coming to the house. Originally he had a clogged artery but since he is a diabetic that procedure didn't work. He's 67 never did drugs,never smoked, and drank but always within moderation nothing heavy which I think a lot of those factors made him strong that was only his 2nd time being admitted to the hospital in his life the first time was for a bee sting..... I'm going to stay at my parents house to him through this the next month or two.

Sorry for getting off topic guys...had to vent
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/14/12 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
A few years ago when a movie called "The Last Temptation of Christ" U.S. "christians" killed someone attending the movie, and threatened to bomb several theatres. Religious fnatics exist in all religions.
I was watching a documentary about Monty Pythons a few months ago and they had the same problem when "Life of Brian" came out. I suppose you are right. ohwell

BTW, happy birthday! Wish you a great day! smile
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/12 12:16 AM

Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
I'm alright. My dad had a double bi-pass and is coming up today or tomorrow so I got my hands full

Don't be sneaking him a Philly cheesesteak. He'll try to guilt you, but don't fall for it smile.


Haha I'm about to go visit him in a little bit. I hope they give me an extra day and don't try and send him home I have to get a bed for him for downstairs temporarily and then we have a nurse coming to the house. Originally he had a clogged artery but since he is a diabetic that procedure didn't work. He's 67 never did drugs,never smoked, and drank but always within moderation nothing heavy which I think a lot of those factors made him strong that was only his 2nd time being admitted to the hospital in his life the first time was for a bee sting..... I'm going to stay at my parents house to him through this the next month or two.

Sorry for getting off topic guys...had to vent


All the best to you and your pops.
Posted By: jace

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/12 07:22 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
A few years ago when a movie called "The Last Temptation of Christ" U.S. "christians" killed someone attending the movie, and threatened to bomb several theatres. Religious fnatics exist in all religions.
I was watching a documentary about Monty Pythons a few months ago and they had the same problem when "Life of Brian" came out. I suppose you are right. ohwell

BTW, happy birthday! Wish you a great day! smile


Any problems with Monty Python movie and Last Temptation of Christ are not even comparable in any way to what went on last few days. Murders by mob, riots, al over a 12 minute youtube video. There are also reports the ambassador was sodomized by rioters before he was killed.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/12 08:28 AM

Originally Posted By: jace
Any problems with Monty Python movie and Last Temptation of Christ are not even comparable in any way to what went on last few days. Murders by mob, riots, al over a 12 minute youtube video. There are also reports the ambassador was sodomized by rioters before he was killed.


I think the point was that extremists are part of every religion, and unfortunately have louder voices than the rest. At any case, there's no excuse for what happened. This is a disgrace for Muslim community. Worse than that, though they condemn it, they still try to manipulate the 1st amendment rights. Absolutely no excuse.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/12 09:43 AM

(Not sure if this has gone beyond the Election topic.)
I watched the video yesterday. Strange thing: Every time the name "Mohammed" or "Quran" is mentioned, the sound and the voice are changing, out of sync. So, I think, the actors didn't know what they were doing. And possibly their lives are at risk now.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/12 01:52 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Worse than that, though they condemn it, they still try to manipulate the 1st amendment rights. Absolutely no excuse.

The First Amendment is a necessary evil, Afs. If you took the American way of life and reduced it to a few paragraphs, it would spell out the First Amendment because it equals freedom.

But there are times (like with the Westboro Church, for instance) when you almost wish that that particular freedom wasn't there. Almost.

Hiding behind the First Amendment to further a radical cause is disgusting and it isn't what the Founding Fathers intended. But like I said, it's a necessary evil and a small trade-off when you look at the big picture.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/12 05:05 PM

Hear, hear! smile
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/15/12 05:45 PM

Basically, I agree PB. However, it's important to keep the following in mind because, as you've pointed out, some people just run to daylight with the 1st amendment's wording that precludes government wholesale restrictions on speech and press.

First off, it was not the Founding Fathers who composed or ratified any of the 10 amendments. Those amendments were redacted from James Madison's speech as a member of the 1st Congress under the Constitution. That Congress was composed of about 90 members of which only about 20 had been at the Constitutional Convention. The Congress was populated by members who had been elected; the delegates to the Convention had been appointed by their states governing bodies. Thus, the Congress had a different concept of Nation and governing than the delegates had.

It's also important to understand that the common law at the time held a defendant potentially liable for even political statements even if they were true. Thus, freedom of speech and press was largely interpreted as preveting government from stopping someone from speaking or publishing. The 1798 Sedition laws passed by the Federalist Congress built on this concept resulting in several successful prosecutions. Even the Jefferson administration in 1801 did not move to repeal the Sedition laws; they simply waited until they expired later that year.
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 09/17/12 02:14 PM

Notice that you don't see Obama braging about his marathon times - if he makes up a time like Ryan did it will renew the "see -he really is a Kenyan" issue.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/17/12 02:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Notice that you don't see Obama braging about his marathon times - if he makes up a time like Ryan did it will renew the "see -he really is a Kenyan" issue.

They can't all run fast? rolleyes

But seriously, good point, DM.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 09/17/12 02:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Marco
Notice that you don't see Obama braging about his marathon times - if he makes up a time like Ryan did it will renew the "see -he really is a Kenyan" issue.


lol
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 09/17/12 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant

First off, it was not the Founding Fathers who composed or ratified any of the 10 amendments. Those amendments were redacted from James Madison's speech as a member of the 1st Congress under the Constitution.

You're giving Madison way too much credit. Madison largely copied the Bill of Rights from the Virginia Declaration of Rights. The Virginia Bill of Rights was ratified by a number of US founder heavyweights.

When Iraq drafted its constitution a few years ago, the Bush Administration allowed it to pass without a clause for religious freedom. Big mistake. Many Christians have been forced to flee the country.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 09/17/12 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: jace

Any problems with Monty Python movie and Last Temptation of Christ are not even comparable in any way to what went on last few days. Murders by mob, riots, al over a 12 minute youtube video.

I agree in terms of scale there is no comparison whatsoever. A few years ago, when a play depicting Jesus as gay was playing in London, the Imam of London declared a fatwa on the producers and the play was shut down. Muslims believe Jesus to be a prophet. Ironic that the play was shut down by muslims and not Christians.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 09/17/12 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: ht2
When Iraq drafted its constitution a few years ago, the Bush Administration allowed it to pass without a clause for religious freedom. Big mistake. Many Christians have been forced to flee the country.


Not a mistake by Bush at all. Bush or the United States (or any other country) should not dictate the terms and rights of Iraq's constitution. If we want to promote democratic republics in the region, we have to let them create their constitutions.

A colleague of mine was a colonel in the Reserves, serving in Afghanistan and at the request of the Afghan government he assisteds their legal community in the writing of their constitution. He was careful not to impose his beliefs, but limited his participation as an advisor, rather than framer.

By the way, today is the 225th birthday of the signing of the U.S. Constitution. This document, radical in its time, has served as the blueprint for freedom and equality for blossoming democracies around the world, and will continue to do so.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/17/12 05:47 PM

We've freedom of press and speech in out constitution. Guess what, it doesn't matter, because we have figureheads holier than the constitution.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/17/12 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
We've freedom of press and speech in out constitution. Guess what, it doesn't matter, because we have figureheads holier than the constitution.

Don't feel bad, Afs. We Americans have Olivant.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/17/12 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
We've freedom of press and speech in out constitution. Guess what, it doesn't matter, because we have figureheads holier than the constitution.

Don't feel bad, Afs. We Americans have Olivant.

Darn tootin'!, and a good thing we do.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 09/17/12 07:16 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1

Not a mistake by Bush at all. Bush or the United States (or any other country) should not dictate the terms and rights of Iraq's constitution. If we want to promote democratic republics in the region, we have to let them create their constitutions.


One of the Bush Administration goals of Iraqi invasion (non-existant wmd's aside) was to spread modern democratic values in the middle east. It was an epic fail on the part of the Bush Administration not to ensure freedom (especially religious freedom) in Iraq. The alternative is allow religious persecution, pogroms, ethnic cleansing, genocide etc. This is unacceptable and can only lead to major problems in the future.



Quote:
By the way, today is the 225th birthday of the signing of the U.S. Constitution. This document, radical in its time, has served as the blueprint for freedom and equality for blossoming democracies around the world, and will continue to do so.


Cool!
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/18/12 02:56 AM

Bloomberg News: Today, Mitt Romney Lost the Election.

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/18/12 09:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou


I saw that. If nothing else I was struck by the relaxed tone and passion he showed, which is far from his campaign persona. Conservatives may question his stances on abortion or immigration but on economic issues he is Mr. 1%. Cool contempt for roughly half the electorate though is probably not a winning plan. whistle We'll see...
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 09/18/12 06:22 PM

Fox News is lining up Romney supporters today to claim Romney is a victim of the liberal media.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 12:29 AM

Romney's been a repeated victim of his own big mouth.

I saw his press conference where he tried to explain away his comments. I've never seen him so uncomfortable.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 12:41 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Romney's been a repeated victim of his own big mouth.

I saw his press conference where he tried to explain away his comments. I've never seen him so uncomfortable.



LOL I know, he walked off stage w/o answering question. Plus, even his hair was a little unkempt (for him). It's usually every hair in place. Then again, it was late at night. lol


TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 12:47 AM

If I was the Obama campaign, I would scramble to put out a campaign ad exposing this whole Romney thing. Things would really hit the fan after that.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 12:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
If I was the Obama campaign, I would scramble to put out a campaign ad exposing this whole Romney thing. Things would really hit the fan after that.


I'm sure they will. However, Mitt's doing a good job of inserting foot in mouth (to put it mildly) all on his own. It's so easy. He seems to unintentionally write campaign ads for Dems. lol



TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 01:02 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
If I was the Obama campaign, I would scramble to put out a campaign ad exposing this whole Romney thing. Things would really hit the fan after that.


I'm sure they will. However, Mitt's doing a good job of inserting foot in mouth (to put it mildly) all on his own. It's so easy. He seems to unintentionally write campaign ads for Dems. lol



TIS


What I really want to see is how he is (if he even can) going to explain all this when he gets called out on it during the debates.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 01:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
If I was the Obama campaign, I would scramble to put out a campaign ad exposing this whole Romney thing. Things would really hit the fan after that.


I'm sure they will. However, Mitt's doing a good job of inserting foot in mouth (to put it mildly) all on his own. It's so easy. He seems to unintentionally write campaign ads for Dems. lol



TIS


What I really want to see is how he is (if he even can) going to explain all this when he gets called out on it during the debates.


And you know, I've heard people on both the right & left say that Mitt is a good debater. Honestly, just from what I've learned/seen about him since he's been in the race, I find it hard to believe. confused Maybe he'll turn into a totally different person in a debate, BUT, he's use to not answering what he doesn't want to answer. I don't see him as being able to diplomatically avoid answering a question.

I keep saying he is so different than what I had thought he'd be as far as savvy politically.

TIS

Btw, I didn't really count the Republican debates cause that was such a clown show that I assumed it'd be easy for Mitt to win. lol
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 01:29 AM

Dismissing half the country is a bit of an exclusion, isn't it?? So, half the country doesn't pay taxes? Well, they pay PAYROLL taxes, but not taxes. WTF? And they feel ENTITLED? I really shouldn't be surprised that this is how literally the other half thinks about the poor (80% of this group make less than $33,000 per year), but I guess they do. How dismissive.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 01:44 AM

I think Mitt is a decent debater, but I thought he got smoked during the GOP debates by Gingrich.

We will find out how he does soon enough.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 02:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Dismissing half the country is a bit of an exclusion, isn't it?? So, half the country doesn't pay taxes?


I'm especially upset by those 5 year olds. They don't work and they don't pay taxes. All they do is consume. When will it end?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 03:18 AM

I truly believe that the biggest mistake in all of this is that roughly one third of those that "don't pay taxes" are seniors. Seniors vote, and between this and Ryan's privatization plan, he's going to lose a lot of those votes.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 05:44 AM

Goodness! Wouldn't the debates be just ridiculous after that? Did you read the second part they posted yesterday? I'm in awe of his frankness. His solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, or rather lack thereof was like, we let it be, and we hope it would take care of itself. Like it has all these years. Not that it should be the business responsibility of the US to solve this mess, but to be certain that he has absolutely no plans to do anything is so disheartening. And one thing else, his comment about if he gets elected, the economy would recover to some extent without him actually doing anything is plain ridiculous. Someone must remind him that Bush did the same and the world's economy almost collapsed by the end of his 2nd term. Economy doesn't recover on its own.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 06:34 AM

BTW, Obama was on Letterman? How was it? grin
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 08:59 AM

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 09:51 AM

One almost wonders if Romney is running for President not because he wants the job but because he feels a sense of obligation and duty perhaps because of his father's abortive campaign.

He still may win, who knows. But so far his campaign has been run so ineptly I wonder if his heart is really in it.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 10:59 AM

Thanks Danito, but the reason I asked is because I can't watch it till I get home. ohwell

//

So now this is unrelated, but since we talked about it here, now a French paper has published some Muhammad cartoons. It's grand idea, I mean if it was a staring contest, I was all for it. Let's see who gets tired first. tongue

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19646748
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 12:16 PM

Fun Fact: SB and Pizzaboy apparently are only voting Democratic because they're welfare bums living on the government dole. It's what some Governor said.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 02:32 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Fun Fact: SB and Pizzaboy apparently are only voting Democratic because they're welfare bums living on the government dole. It's what some Governor said.

Yeah, Ronnie, where do I get some of that guva'ment cheese? rolleyes

Kinda egotistical for Romney to think that all moneyed voters (outside of Hollywood) will pull the level for him, no?

I don't see how he recovers from this entire week.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 02:48 PM

I'll tell ya I could never make it on my SS check alone (especially not here in CA). Tho not huge, thank God I have a pension but not everyone who's worked hard their whole lives does. I understand why no taxes s/b taken from SS checks.

As my parents would say, "Can't squeeze blood out of a turnip." panic


TIS
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 04:33 PM

I'm tired of the two party system. Here is my alternative. And they are good for the Earth.

The Green Party
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 06:26 PM

There are plenty of people in the US who game the system--don't pay taxes due, get food stamps they're not entitled to, etc. But Romney's 47% has to include seniors (like me) who collect Social Security and get Medicare that we paid into during our working careers, as well as legitimately disabled people and unemployed people who got laid off through no fault of their own and are honestly looking for work. He and his rich supporters never have to use those benefits--they just get their oil depletion allowances, agricultural parity, investment tax credits, etc. So do Obama's rich supporters.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/19/12 06:44 PM

TB, the statistic I read was that roughly one third of that group are seniors. Many others are the working poor. Others, as you pointed out, probably are those that have learned to "work the system" and intend to gouge it for all they can.

The quote that bothered me the most is that Mitt has decided that this group will never learn to be responsible for themselves. My parent's generation, who never took a dime, who worked their whole lives, who rushed to go to war for their country, they will never be responsible for themselves??

It just might be the most disgusting, dismissive and condescending thing I've ever heard a politician say.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/20/12 12:53 AM

The following are the results of Fox News polls as stated on the Fox website:

President Barack Obama has the edge over Republican Mitt Romney in three potentially decisive states in the presidential election. Obama tops Romney by seven percentage points among likely voters in both Ohio (49-42 percent) and Virginia (50-43 percent). In Florida, the president holds a five-point edge (49-44 percent).

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/.../#ixzz26y0KwTRV
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/20/12 01:09 AM


Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/20/12 01:17 AM

Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney, was public aid recipient as child after family fled Mexico

Mitt Romney had harsh words for welfare recipients in a hidden-camera videotape from a May fundraiser that was leaked this week.

But his own father was once among public aid recipients.

As the Globe has previously reported, George Romney’s family fled from Mexico in 1912 to escape a revolution there, and benefited from a $100,000 fund established by Congress to help refugees who had lost their homes and most of their belongings.

That fund may have been what Lenore Romney, George Romney’s wife and Mitt Romney’s mother, was referring to in a video that was posted online earlier this month but has received renewed attention in the wake of Mitt Romney’s comments.

“[George Romney] was on welfare relief for the first years of his life. But this great country gave him opportunities,” Lenore Romney said in the video, which apparently dates back to George Romney’s 1962 run for governor of Michigan.

In Mitt Romney’s remarks at the May fundraiser, he said that 47 percent of people are dependent upon government, and described that segment of the population as a lost cause, both as prospective GOP voters and more generally.

“I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives,” he said.

http://www.boston.com/politicalintellige...nGDL/story.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 09/21/12 12:37 PM

I hate (or subconciously do I?) posting this piece reported by TMZ of all people, but considering he violated his own party's platform plank on no exceptions should be allowed for abortion...it's very appropriate.

Quote:
TMZ has learned Mitt Romney's son Tagg -- who had twins this year through a surrogate -- signed an agreement that gave the surrogate, as well as Tagg and his wife, the right to abort the fetuses in non-life threatening situations ... and Mitt Romney covered some of the expenses connected with the arrangement


Quote:
"If in the opinion of the treating physician or her independent obstetrician there is potential physical harm to the surrogate, the decision to abort or not abort is to be made by the surrogate."

Translation: Tagg and Jen gave the surrogate the right to abort the fetuses even if her life wasn't in danger. All the surrogate has to show is "potential physical harm," which could be something like preeclampsia -- a type of high blood pressure that could damage the mother's liver, kidney or brain, but is not necessarily life-threatening.


http://www.tmz.com/2012/09/20/mitt-romne...ct-bill-handel/
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/21/12 02:38 PM

Jeez, that will hurt him more within his own party than the 47% gaffe, being that the Republican poor are pretty much brainwashed.

It really sucks for Democrats and Independents who would like another option besides Obama (like myself). But I can't vote for this guy. It's one faux pas after another. It's Obama by default.

Things are really bad when Peggy Noonan jumps ship. She's a conservative journalist who I happen to respect the hell out of (she wrote a wonderful book about Pope John Paul II). You don't have to agree with her politics, but much like Hillary Clinton there's no denying her intelligence. She reminds me of Hillary for that very reason. Anyway, I don't have the link but if you Google her you'll see that she pretty much abandoned ship on poor Mitt.

All of this pregnancy/abortion talk reminds me of that old joke: You can unscrew a lightbulb. Which is ironic, because at this point you can't unscrew Mitt Romney.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 09/21/12 09:43 PM

Hey SB and West Wing fans, here is a political ad that brought the cast together. It reminds voters to check to make sure they voted for propositions on the "non partisan" portion of ballot. smile

TIS




And on a more comical note, Homer Simpson voted too.

Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/21/12 10:47 PM

Thanks for sharing, TIS! I miss The West Wing. There's certainly been nothing to replace it, not even Newsroom.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/22/12 12:20 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Jeez, that will hurt him more within his own party than the 47% gaffe, being that the Republican poor are pretty much brainwashed.

It really sucks for Democrats and Independents who would like another option besides Obama (like myself). But I can't vote for this guy. It's one faux pas after another. It's Obama by default.

Things are really bad when Peggy Noonan jumps ship. She's a conservative journalist who I happen to respect the hell out of (she wrote a wonderful book about Pope John Paul II). You don't have to agree with her politics, but much like Hillary Clinton there's no denying her intelligence. She reminds me of Hillary for that very reason. Anyway, I don't have the link but if you Google her you'll see that she pretty much abandoned ship on poor Mitt.

All of this pregnancy/abortion talk reminds me of that old joke: You can unscrew a lightbulb. Which is ironic, because at this point you can't unscrew Mitt Romney.


I read those Op/Ed's Noonan has been writing the past few days in the WSJ about the Romney campaign, she ripped his campaign to shreds IMO.
Posted By: Wiseguy_1872

Re: Election 2012 - 09/23/12 05:07 PM

How did the Grand Old Party of Lincoln, William F. Buckley Jr, Rockefeller and Barry Goldwater turn into the party of Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Mitt Romney?
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/26/12 07:00 PM

Well, it's 3:00 p.m. eastern time. What has Romney screwed up today?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/26/12 08:35 PM

I was watching Megyn Kelly (as the drool ran down my face as it always does when I watch her)who was inteviewing several pundits. The Republicans were stating that Romney needs to go on the attack. Now, I ask you, why would anyone vote for a candidate who needs to be told what to do?

And by the way, where have all of the Board's Romney supporters (or conservatives) gone?
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/26/12 10:46 PM

^^^Not much to discuss in favor of Romney to their defense, but the main conservative on here (IMHO) Ivyleague is on a self-imposed hiatus cause he is still mad about being suspended a while back over a difference of opinion with another poster on here. He largely precipitated the whole drama with the other forum soon after.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/26/12 10:58 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Well, it's 3:00 p.m. eastern time. What has Romney screwed up today?



Well....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/romney-ohio-taxes_n_1915949.html
Quote:
WESTERVILLE, Ohio -- In a line that event attendees found a bit puzzling, Mitt Romney warned a crowd of mostly middle-class onlookers on Wednesday not to expect too much tax relief under his administration.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/26/12 11:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Wiseguy_1872
How did the Grand Old Party of Lincoln, William F. Buckley Jr, Rockefeller and Barry Goldwater turn into the party of Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Mitt Romney?


Longer than I have time to discuss now but the short answer is the Party turned South. That helped them for a while but there isn't a Republican on the horizon who can unify the disparate versions of conservatism (social, neo-con, big business, libertarian, traditionalist, etc..) And the social conservatives make noise in direct inverse to their power but they scare off independents and energize the other side.

The interesting part to me is that whoever wins this election, Obama or Romney, will lead a country where somewhere between 45-50% of the population HATES him and thinks he's illegitimate.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/26/12 11:47 PM

Lilo, you've got a point. The GOP has encountered pluralism in its ranks. The emergence of Republicans who are gay, have had extramarital affairs and been divorced, been drug addicts or alcoholics (they or their kids), had children out of wedlock, etc. has diminshed their moral staunchness and lost adherents.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/27/12 04:59 PM

If Obama is re-elected I see the G.O.P. tearing itself apart. The Tea Party crowd is going to say (from its bubble) that someone from their wing should have been the nominee, whereas the more moderate group including people like Lindsey Graham and John Boehner will realize they need a wider tent and more
tolerance on social issues. I can see them engaged in a struggle for some time much like the Democrats were from 1968 through the election of Clinton. They had a left wing and a moderate wing which fought all the time. The results were nominees like McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis. Carter, more of a centrist, was an abberation, having been elected for only one term on the heels of Watergate and the pardon of Nixon.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/27/12 11:10 PM

^^^I agree
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/12 04:06 PM

Anyone see Newt on Morning Joe today? Man, this guy is delusional. Now he is basically saying Obama is Jimmy Carter redux, and saying we cannot trust him on security matters because he dropped the ball in Libya where it now apears some kind of al quaeda unit was involded in the asination of the ambassador and others at the embassy. Maybe Obama dropped the ball on that and maybe not. THe jury is still out. But it is not the worst secuity breach ever as Newt implies. Don't forget that little incident on 9/11/01 in New York. Talk about an administration dropping the ball.....
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/12 06:48 PM

Exactly DT. For one, I don't understand all of the concern on Libya. Regardless of how he died, the ambassador was murdered in a volatile country where law and order is a premium.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/12 11:05 PM

Regardless of who wins someone is going to get hit upside the head with reality. And I am going to enjoy it immensely.

Right now it looks like that will be Romney and Ryan. No matter what lies politicians tell the public they need to have access to reality for themselves. It may be a shock for Republicans to discover that people really didn't want to repeal Obamacare, weren't clamoring to reduce access to abortion or contraception, didn't want another Middle east war, don't think the rich are too lightly taxed and didn't revolt at executive implementation of much of the Dream Act.

Of course vice versa if Obama loses.. lol lol
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/28/12 11:20 PM

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — What first appeared to be an isolated problem in one Florida county has now spread statewide, with election officials in nine counties informing prosecutors or state election officials about questionable voter registration forms filled out on behalf of the Republican Party of Florida.

State Republican officials already have fired the vendor it had hired to register voters, and took the additional step of filing an election fraud complaint against the company, Strategic Allied Consulting, with state officials. That complaint was handed over Friday to state law-enforcement authorities.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/12 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Anyone see Newt on Morning Joe today? Man, this guy is delusional. Now he is basically saying Obama is Jimmy Carter redux, and saying we cannot trust him on security matters because he dropped the ball in Libya where it now apears some kind of al quaeda unit was involded in the asination of the ambassador and others at the embassy. Maybe Obama dropped the ball on that and maybe not. THe jury is still out. But it is not the worst secuity breach ever as Newt implies. Don't forget that little incident on 9/11/01 in New York. Talk about an administration dropping the ball.....


I love Morning Joe, even with all his wackiness I enjoy Newt. He keeps it entertaining to say the least.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/12 03:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
The interesting part to me is that whoever wins this election, Obama or Romney, will lead a country where somewhere between 45-50% of the population HATES him and thinks he's illegitimate.

Spot-on, Lilo. In many ways the country is as divided today as it was in the '60s. Both extremes fret that the other side is "winning," when in fact most people outside of the so called "one percent" are losing to some degree or another. And the class rage will only get worse as people start to realize that the American economy is never going to be the same as it was prior to globalization. There are just too many jobs that are never coming back.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/12 11:19 PM

I saw an economist who had some interesting points about the economy. While she agreed that funding the Iraq and Afghan wars, runaway lending, etc. were huge factors in the current economic crisis, you can't blame it all on that. Thanks to the emergence of the global economy, this has been at least 20 years in the making.T We want cheaper goods and we have sacrificed jobs to get them. We complain about corporate farms, but nobody wants to pay $8 for a peach.

What we need to do is begin tight visa control to keep companies from bringing in foreign outsource companies and to have huge tariffs on companies that outsource their jobs overseas. It used to be manufacturing, then call centers, now it's IT, legal and medical. Why should your insurance company pay a US radiologist's fees when they can email your CAT scan to a doctor in Mumbai who read it for a fraction of the cost?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 09/29/12 11:48 PM

SB, PB, I agree with you. Some of those jobs are never coming back but it will be very difficult to get companies to change their ways insofar as globalization. It's almost too far gone. A few years back when it looked like my department and maybe my company was going to go kaput we had to train our possible overseas replacements. Somewhat surreal but that's business. Anyone who is not onboard with outsourcing and making the cheapest possible use of labor had better forget about rising in the company hierarchy. It's not happening. I probably should have kept my mouth shut about some things but what can you do...

The only good thing is thanks to a few massive screw-ups companies are starting to realize that getting something quickly or cheaply isn't always better than getting it right. So there is some minor cessation of outsourcing in my field-not much but it is what it is. You have to run faster and faster to stay in the same spot. Most roles that are purely technical and repetitive have been moved out. The people that survive tend to be people with some sort of relational skills with the customer or business leads OR people that are working in tech that's so old that no one overseas is familiar with it. whistle lol
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/12 12:26 AM

Remember, the US economy is primarily a service economy. Thus, it is very amenable to contact between buyer and seller through technical media. That's only going to increase. As has been the case for decades, US manufacturing continues to erode for any number of reasons. Equity holders want to maximize return on investment which is anathema to tariffs. Globalization is here to stay and and so are its effects.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/12 01:29 AM

Lilo, don't know if your company is experiencing the same issues, but my husband's company can no longer bring in workers from outside the country. They can't get work visas. If the current workers have to go home for some reason, they can't come back. They can still outsource work to other countries (most goes to Chennai), but the days of bringing over programmers to work on a special project for a year and then shipping them back is no longer an option. One of the guys in my husband's department couldn't even go back home for his mother-in-law's funeral.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/12 02:24 AM

The US has already imposed tariffs on a number of Chiense products many of which are green products. This is what happens when nations engage in tariff wars:

HONG KONG — The Chinese government issued an uncommonly mild response on Friday to a United States trade complaint challenging China’s imposition last December of steep tariffs on American-made sport utility vehicles and midsize and large cars.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/12 02:27 AM

Globalization...it is here to stay. The world is increasingly becoming more and more interdependent economically. Instead of being just National, most corporations even some "small" businesses through the use of the internet can be considered multinational.

Sad thing is that a number of Americans yearn for the good old days when our country had all those manufacturing jobs and we were also the go to place for pretty much everything (besides oil). That was NEVER going to last,it was only a matter of time before other nations brought themselves up and seriously competed with us on the international economic stage.

The US hegemony wasn't going to last forever (these things never do), we just have to re-develop our own niche and continue to be a force in global politics in our own right but realize that now we will have other company (China,etc).

My advice for today's youth is to get as much education as possible (and make some international friends along the way) to help set yourself up for the future.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/12 07:48 PM

DD, I'm not talking about buying Chinese products or driving a Nissan. I'm talking about a company that is located in the US laying off 80% of its IT staff and then rotating cheaper labor in from another country. I'm talking about Citibank, who decided it would be a great idea to outsource its customer service to another country, and then received the backlash from its customers. There are jokes all the time about calling a company like Dell or HP, only to get connected to tech support in India with someone who calls themselves "Bob". Those are the kind of jobs I would like to keep here in the US.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/12 07:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
DD, I'm not talking about buying Chinese products or driving a Nissan. I'm talking about a company that is located in the US laying off 80% of its IT staff and then rotating cheaper labor in from another country. I'm talking about Citibank, who decided it would be a great idea to outsource its customer service to another country, and then received the backlash from its customers. There are jokes all the time about calling a company like Dell or HP, only to get connected to tech support in India with someone who calls themselves "Bob". Those are the kind of jobs I would like to keep here in the US.


Unfortunately, most of those jobs arent going to come back either. To the credit of a few companies. I have been reading in some business magazines (Businessweek,Forbes,and also WSJ) that some companies have actually relocated some of these jobs back to the states because of the increasing high cost of labor in Asia and low customer satisfaction rates of American consumers.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/12 08:23 PM

And for us 20 somethings .."One more cup of coffee for the road!"
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/12 08:48 PM

Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
And for us 20 somethings .."One more cup of coffee for the road!"


tell me about it
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/12 09:06 PM

20 somethings? Try being a 50 something looking for a job. At this level, I find I'm usually used to prove that they looked at other candidates when they've already decided on someone from within the organization.

The way that companies hire these days is ridiculous. They will only accept online applications. Most times, when you try to upload your resume it doesn't fit correctly into their stupid little boxes. Job-searching officially SUCKS!

However, back to the election. There was an interesting article about the polls in the paper this morning. They said that President Obama's numbers are rising for two reasons:

1. Romney's unfortunate "47%" remark.
2. Increasing consumer confidence in the slow but steady recovery of the economy, especially thanks to the rising housing prices.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 09/30/12 11:15 PM

Don't forget the 1st of three debates is Wednesday. Its result will tell us alot.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/01/12 12:09 AM

Finally another debate! I missed watching all those GOP ones.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 10/01/12 08:47 PM

Original geschrieben von: Dapper_Don
Finally another debate! I missed watching all those GOP ones.


This is not the Jokes thread.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/01/12 11:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Danito
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Finally another debate! I missed watching all those GOP ones.


This is not the Jokes thread.


They were very entertaining and made for some good laughs.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/02/12 11:47 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Don't forget the 1st of three debates is Wednesday. Its result will tell us alot.


Not really. You can pretty much bet that most media will declare Obama the winner. The debates won't change anyone's mind.
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/02/12 11:52 AM

Does anyone think Romney will go on Letterman? I heard Letterman calling him out recently, generally laughing at him. Do you think this sort of thing effects Romney's prospects? I know Obama has been on Letterman and Leno. They get big audiences so I think its a good thing to appear.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/02/12 11:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
There are plenty of people in the US who game the system--don't pay taxes due, get food stamps they're not entitled to, etc. But Romney's 47% has to include seniors (like me) who collect Social Security and get Medicare that we paid into during our working careers, as well as legitimately disabled people and unemployed people who got laid off through no fault of their own and are honestly looking for work. He and his rich supporters never have to use those benefits--they just get their oil depletion allowances, agricultural parity, investment tax credits, etc. So do Obama's rich supporters.


Sounds like my neighbors in Queens when I lived there. Sit home and smoke pot all day while collecting food stamps.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 10/02/12 04:33 PM

When Bush left office roughly 1 in 10 in US were collecting food stamps.
Today about 1 in 7 collect food stamps. If trend continues another four more years, 1 in 5 will be on food stamps. No wonder Gingrich called Obama the food stamp president a while back, though I don't think it is entirely Obama's fault.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/02/12 04:56 PM

To qualify for food stamps in NYC, a family of four has to have a gross monthly income of $2389. That's roughly $29K per year, which I can't imagine a single person in NYC living on, much less a family of four. It's estimated that more than half of the families that need assistance aren't getting it. To continue to receive food stamps, adults between the ages of 18 and 50 must work 20 hours per week or participate in an employment program. Otherwise, people are limited to three months every three years. The only people exempt from the work requirement are the disabled.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 10/02/12 07:25 PM

Six weeks ago the PA Commonwealth upheld the Voter ID Law, recently passed in the commonwealth. The PA Supreme Court remanded the matter to Commonwealth Court to address whether implementing the law in the 2012 general election would disenfranchise PA voters.

The Commonwealth Court decided today that implementing the law this election would substantially disenfranchise voters, and directed that the law not take effect this year. It appears that the law can still apply for future elections, but as for the 2012 election, Voter ID is dead in PA.

I think that Romney will campaign even in less in PA now.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/02/12 10:53 PM

This is hilarious. It's like "vote for me I'll do what the other guy is already doing". This is a middle finger to the base that was already iffy on Romney's immigration bona fides. I don't think this will cause anyone to switch their vote to Romney but it might make Kris Kobach and Jan Brewer stay home. It will be interesting to surf some right-wing blogs and see what the reaction is to this.

Romney supports Obama's deferred action on immigration

Quote:
Mitt Romney told The Denver Post on Monday that if he's elected president, he will not cancel President Barack Obama's deferred action program for young illegal immigrants before instituting another immigration plan:

Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/02/12 11:51 PM

Salon and Drudge websites talking about Hannity airing an "October Surprise" tonight on FNC at 9p.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 06:07 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Six weeks ago the PA Commonwealth upheld the Voter ID Law, recently passed in the commonwealth. The PA Supreme Court remanded the matter to Commonwealth Court to address whether implementing the law in the 2012 general election would disenfranchise PA voters.

The Commonwealth Court decided today that implementing the law this election would substantially disenfranchise voters, and directed that the law not take effect this year. It appears that the law can still apply for future elections, but as for the 2012 election, Voter ID is dead in PA.

I think that Romney will campaign even in less in PA now.


Well, that's good news I guess. But this whole picture id verification for voting is very interesting to me. How people were voting before? I mean how you go and ask for ballot where you are registered and prove your identity if not with a picture ID? confused Out here, our birth certificate must bear a photo and has a dedicated page for election stamps, that's how we vote once per person. And then we don't have voting registration process and can vote almost anywhere.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 12:00 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77

Well, that's good news I guess. But this whole picture id verification for voting is very interesting to me. How people were voting before? I mean how you go and ask for ballot where you are registered and prove your identity if not with a picture ID? confused Out here, our birth certificate must bear a photo and has a dedicated page for election stamps, that's how we vote once per person. And then we don't have voting registration process and can vote almost anywhere.


The birth certificate has a photo? confused lol
So I would carry this to the Secretary of State's office and say "No really that's me, you can tell by the dimples, see" cool

Seriously though, the states run the elections and not so much the federal government. So all the initial requirements vary but bottom line just be a citizen and above age and you're fine to vote. In the great state of Michigan this is the process for registering to vote.




A photo id rule has recently been added but you don't have to show photo id and can tell anyone who asks that they can go take a flying f*** at a rolling donut that you don't have photo id and sign something stating so. tongue



Absence of photo id can not prevent you from voting.
Despite what may seem like an excessively open system there haven't been too many issues with non-citizens voting or people voting multiple times or things like that. Most of the actual elections themselves , Florida and Ohio, not withstanding, are roughly honest these days. It's what goes on before them-ie. finding out where your opposition is likely to vote and changing the rules-that is where the dishonesty and corruption is more likely to occur. wink Again...not counting Florida...
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 12:24 PM

lol lol Well, I forgot to say, when you turn 18, you take your birth certificate with a photo and that's when it begins bearing a photo. lol

That's really a loose system. And how you prove you are a citizen if you refuse to show an ID?

PS: Just to clarify, our birth certificate almost looks like a passport. It has a stamp page dedicated to election stamps. There's a section that registers marriages and divorces, offspring, etc.

samples of first page:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VB0TIvi6Zjc/Tv..._16707837_n.jpg

http://up.lovedoni.com/FAEGHEATAFHIN.jpg
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 03:55 PM

I recall a time not so long ago when someone proposed an national ID card the conservatives went ballistic, calling is a commie lot, etc.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 04:05 PM

DEBATE DRINKING GAME

ONE SIP

When either candidate refers to the "Great State of Colorado"
When Obama says "Look" or "Listen" followed by a clearly orchestrated sound bite.
When Romney says "Now look" followed by a stuttering/awkward sound bite.
When either candidate mentions "the middle class."
When Obama blames the past administration for the current ecoomic woes (even vaguely).
When Romney says "Obamacare."
When either candidate mentions taxes or the amounts they have paid or not paid.
Every third time either candidate says "jobs."


FINISH YOUR DRINK:

If Obama mentions the Mormon faith.
If Romney references Obama's Kenyan parentage.
If either tells a story about someone he met in Ohio, Florida or Virginia.
If either mentions 9/11 or the death of bin laden.
If either compliments the other (even if it is sarcastically).
If Obama mentions Bain Capital
If Romney says "lame stream media"
If either candidate mentions a Clinton.

TAKE BATH SALTS

If Biden and Ryan arrive unannounced and have a shirtless arm wrestling competition (best two out of three).
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 04:16 PM

Afs, here in NY, you must show photo ID to register to vote. Then you go to your assigned polling place to vote each time, and you vote in an assigned voting district. They have your signature in a book, and you must sign in and the signatures must match before you can vote.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 04:50 PM

Since it's debate night, I thought I'd post this CNN story on 10 debate moments that matter, critiquing BOTH parties.

I remember many of them, from Reagan's "There you go again" comment to the "you're no Jack Kennedy" comment.
Looking back now at the clip of George HW Bush looking at his watch during debate, really seems like a huge blunder no?

For me, tho only a kid, the FIRST debates I remember watching were the Kennedy/Nixon. Partly because I remember my Catholic family/Catholic school all a-buzz over the first Catholic President, and partly because the guy was so appealing. I didn't understand the entire debates at that age but still stayed glued to the tv. smile


TIS


http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/02/politics/debate-moments-that-mattered/index.html?hpt=po_t1
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 05:57 PM

That was really the first time that a candidate was undone by television. Kennedy was more attractive and a better speaker than Nixon, more poised (Nixon was sweating his ass off lol) and that debate won the election for JFK. It was truly the first time that TV played such a far-reaching role in an election. Like they say, today, nobody elects a man in a wheelchair.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 06:52 PM

The following is a quote from one of my student's papers the topic of which was What is Government?:

"Take for instance when the protesters killed our Ambassador, and then dragged his body through the riot-filled streets, hanging the Taliban flag and chanting “Death to America”. Our President apologized to them for our hatred and injustice. This is not acceptable in my opinion. That is not what government should be, it is what it has become. This President passing Executive Orders without Congress should be tried for treason. That is the basis of what our country is built on: consent should come from the governed, not through the threat of force or manipulation."

"Why are we allowing this man to slowly turn our country to this Democratic Socialism? When he threatened to stop paying our troops if the Republican side of Congress didn’t agree to raise the debt ceiling, it was appalling."
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 07:50 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
The following is a quote from one of my student's papers the topic of which was What is Government?:

"Take for instance when the protesters killed our Ambassador, and then dragged his body through the riot-filled streets, hanging the Taliban flag and chanting “Death to America”. Our President apologized to them for our hatred and injustice. This is not acceptable in my opinion. That is not what government should be, it is what it has become. This President passing Executive Orders without Congress should be tried for treason. That is the basis of what our country is built on: consent should come from the governed, not through the threat of force or manipulation."

"Why are we allowing this man to slowly turn our country to this Democratic Socialism? When he threatened to stop paying our troops if the Republican side of Congress didn’t agree to raise the debt ceiling, it was appalling."


Did you give him a B+? lol
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77


Well, that's good news I guess. But this whole picture id verification for voting is very interesting to me. How people were voting before? I mean how you go and ask for ballot where you are registered and prove your identity if not with a picture ID? confused Out here, our birth certificate must bear a photo and has a dedicated page for election stamps, that's how we vote once per person. And then we don't have voting registration process and can vote almost anywhere.


In Pennsylvania after you are first registered to vote, you are assigned to a voting precinct, which is a local place where you vote, often a church hall or school or public building. For your first time voting you present a voter's registration card, which was issued to you upon registration with some form of id, stating your name and address. You are then required to sign the voter roll, and your signature is kept on the books, so that it is compared for following elections.

Generally, the election officials working the booths know most of the people in the precinct. We have not had any instances of substantial fraud that could be rectified by the Voter ID Law, which is an admitted attempt toimpede certain segments of the voting population from casting a vote.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 08:10 PM

Yes, those without photo ID (a driver's license, for example) are often the poorest segment of our population. Those districts tend to vote a certain way, and these attempts are the work of those who don't a certain demographic to vote.

Klyd, we probably had to show our registration card the first time we voted as well, but it's been so long ago that I forgot. My daughter is voting for the first time this election (she turned 18 a few weeks ago) and she's very excited.

Oli, I hope you told your student that they have a wonderful future as a Fox News correspondent! grin
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 08:11 PM

That's how it is in Texas also.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1

Generally, the election officials working the booths know most of the people in the precinct. We have not had any instances of substantial fraud that could be rectified by the Voter ID Law, which is an admitted attempt toimpede certain segments of the voting population from casting a vote.


That's a controversial stance. People in small towns may know each other, but in larger population areas it's impossible to know who is who. However they shouldn't change laws during a major election year. Lots of elderly and disabled will end up getting shut out. People who are healthy have no excuse in not getting a photo id (rich or poor).

I found this website that breaks down voter id requirements by state:
http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 08:39 PM

Thank you Kly and SB for clarification. smile
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 09:01 PM

Oli, I guess I'm not surprised by your student's paper. I don't know whether some people don't pay attention, misunderstand or what. confused

As far as voting goes, I think in the past I've had to show my ID a couple times but I don't know if it's mandatory. However, I've been voting by mail since before the last election, so it's been a while.

Call me a geek, grin but part of me likes to actually go to the poll to vote, especially if it's an important election. Then again, it's so easy to vote from home. I just received my sample ballot and have a chance to go thru all the freakin' propositions that CA always has and will try to get thru them.


TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 10:58 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
The following is a quote from one of my student's papers the topic of which was What is Government?:

"Take for instance when the protesters killed our Ambassador, and then dragged his body through the riot-filled streets, hanging the Taliban flag and chanting “Death to America”. Our President apologized to them for our hatred and injustice. This is not acceptable in my opinion. That is not what government should be, it is what it has become. This President passing Executive Orders without Congress should be tried for treason. That is the basis of what our country is built on: consent should come from the governed, not through the threat of force or manipulation."

"Why are we allowing this man to slowly turn our country to this Democratic Socialism? When he threatened to stop paying our troops if the Republican side of Congress didn’t agree to raise the debt ceiling, it was appalling."


Talk about touting the Limbaugh line...
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 11:01 PM

A few months ago I went to get my hair trimmed. The stylist was small talking and during the course of the conversation she said she watched Fox. I immediately (but politely) said, oh no I never watch Fox. She seriously said, "I know BUT I only watch it ONLY for the news and that's it." lol Say what? Ha ha ha



TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/03/12 11:06 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
lol lol Well, I forgot to say, when you turn 18, you take your birth certificate with a photo and that's when it begins bearing a photo. lol

That's really a loose system. And how you prove you are a citizen if you refuse to show an ID?


smile When you first go register to vote you have to provide driver's license or social security card or personal id or birth certificate which are things only citizens can obtain. Afterwards when you go to vote they check your name against a list. You sign a card saying you're you and vote..
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/12 01:34 AM

The president is still trying to build consensus. As Toby Zeigler would say, we don't need Uncle Fluffy!
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/12 06:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
smile When you first go register to vote you have to provide driver's license or social security card or personal id or birth certificate which are things only citizens can obtain. Afterwards when you go to vote they check your name against a list. You sign a card saying you're you and vote..


Not really, I'm not a citizen, but when I came there, I got a social security card and a driver's license. So short of an american birth certificate and an american passport, you could get any other form of ID and not be a citizen. I imagine when you register, they run down your information and social security number to see if you are a citizen or not.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/12 10:02 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: Lilo
smile When you first go register to vote you have to provide driver's license or social security card or personal id or birth certificate which are things only citizens can obtain. Afterwards when you go to vote they check your name against a list. You sign a card saying you're you and vote..


Not really, I'm not a citizen, but when I came there, I got a social security card and a driver's license. So short of an american birth certificate and an american passport, you could get any other form of ID and not be a citizen. I imagine when you register, they run down your information and social security number to see if you are a citizen or not.


Yes they do verify.
Every state has different standards for driver's license. In Michigan
you have to have id (driver's licence or personal id) to register to vote the first time.
In order to get those things you need to show ss card, and/or birth certificate, some form of photo id, proof of Michigan residency, or passport, or validation from parent or guardian that you're you. Check this link

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Applying_for_lic_or_ID_SOS_428_222146_7.pdf

Once you're verified in the system that's it. It's been decades since I first registered and I have moved a lot. But in a few weeks when I go vote, no one will ask me for any of that. I just sign an affidavit, give my name and vote. Theoretically some nefarious non-citizen could show up and vote in my place before I got to the precinct but that just hasn't happened. smile
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/12 11:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Theoretically some nefarious non-citizen could show up and vote in my place before I got to the precinct but that just hasn't happened. smile


Theoretically it doesn't have to be a non-citizen, a nefarious person would suffice. Just saying. grin
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/12 11:45 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Theoretically some nefarious non-citizen could show up and vote in my place before I got to the precinct but that just hasn't happened. smile


Theoretically it doesn't have to be a non-citizen, a nefarious person would suffice. Just saying. grin


If anybody steals my vote they had better be an American! USA!!! USA!!!!Or something.... wait a minute..... lol whistle
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/12 12:49 PM

lol lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/04/12 10:19 PM

Tomorrow's jobs report (for September) is looming large all of a sudden.

http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-obama-fac...--business.html
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/12 03:33 AM

The fact that he's lowered it from 10% has no bearing, I suppose. Would I like it lower? Of course I would; however, it's not possible to force companies to hire! Are there companies out there that are hurting? Yes. Are there companies out there that have had to shed payroll to survive? I'm sure. But are there companies out there that are making plenty of money and are using the economy as an excuse to squeeze their employees for all their worth? You bet.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/12 03:20 PM

The Labor Department's report that unemployment has fallen below 8% for the first time since January 2009 is sure to provide a needed political boost for President Obama.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/10/05/jobs-election-obama-romney-analysis/1613551/
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/12 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
The Labor Department's report that unemployment has fallen below 8% for the first time since January 2009 is sure to provide a needed political boost for President Obama.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/10/05/jobs-election-obama-romney-analysis/1613551/



Didn't you hear? Some of the Republicans claim that the President is "fixing" the job numbers. rolleyes Hopefully tho, it'll continue to get better.

TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/12 03:33 PM

That's politics, Tis. Whenever one side reports "good" news, the other side spins it into something bad. That's why I hate partisan politics ohwell.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/12 04:21 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
That's politics, Tis. Whenever one side reports "good" news, the other side spins it into something bad. That's why I hate partisan politics ohwell.



Why wouldn't they assume he is lying. That's what they do.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/12 06:08 PM

The following is from the Fox News website:

"Labor Department reports unemployment rate in September at 7.8 percent, first time below 8 percent in nearly four years and President Obama wasted no time making hay of it — but is the number really just a 'statistical fluke?'"
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/12 07:16 PM

When Obama took office 4 years ago the unemployment rate was 7.8%. After 4 years still no change.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/12 07:48 PM

just wondering since a lot of factories went over seas or closing down. is this the main reason why the unemployment is this high? i mean a lot of factory workers either didnt graduate high school, did graduate high school (but, went straight to work). it's been like this till factories made it necessary to have a college degree. so, for those who don't have a college degree because it wasn't a need at the time, are they stuck being unemployed till they get a degree (takes money for that) or till they get lucky and find a factory that will let it slide due to years of work they put in (which could be slim).

i always had this thought since factories around here have been closing down and being shipped to other countries.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/12 10:45 PM

When the president took office, we had just begun to see the fallout of the September 2008 financial collapse. The numbers were expected to rise after the inauguration.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/05/12 11:16 PM

Dean Baker is a generally left leaning economist. He used the phrase statistical fluke but he has very good reasons for doing so. Absent the political spin that both sides will put on this it's not necessarily anything to write home about.

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/data-bytes...ce-january-2008

It is absurd though for people to suggest that Obama supporters fixed the numbers.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/06/12 01:21 AM

When Bush took the oath of office in 2005, the unemployment rate was 5.2%. When he left office, it was 7.8%. Some change!
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 10/06/12 03:57 PM

Bush admin overspent but was also hurt by housing crisis of 2007. Housing crisis was partially caused by liberals pushing the line that everyone deserves their own house, resulting in a big housing bubble.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 10/06/12 04:01 PM

Jack Welch, Former GE CEO thinks job report may have been manipulated.

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/10/05/jack-welch-i-wasnt-kidding/
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/06/12 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: ht2
Bush admin overspent but was also hurt by housing crisis of 2007. Housing crisis was partially caused by liberals pushing the line that everyone deserves their own house, resulting in a big housing bubble.


The banks made loans to people who should have never gotten one, they got too greedy. Both parties obcourse wanted as many people as possible to get homes (Dems pushed harder for it) but the Banks are the ones ultimately responsible.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/06/12 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ht2
Jack Welch, Former GE CEO thinks job report may have been manipulated.

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/10/05/jack-welch-i-wasnt-kidding/


I saw him on tv backtrack on his comment, saying he should have posted a question mark at the end of his tweet. I am quite familiar with jack welch because he was one of the guys who we analyzed extensively in business school.He needs to keep his mouth shut IMO considering he's the godfather of shipping jobs overseas. He has no credibility on this topic.

The BLS is an extremely credible agency, if the numbers were being fudged wouldnt it make more sense for it to be around 5-6% instead of almost 8%? If one reads the actual report (as opposed to news articles on it) you will see the numbers are very credible
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/07/12 02:52 AM

This may have some impact on the election:

"Arkansas State Rep. Jon Hubbard goes and writes a book. It’s called, "Letters to the Editor: Confessions of a Frustrated Conservative," and inside it he espouses a unique view of African-American history, asserting that slavery — and we quote here — "may actually have been a blessing in disguise." Sure, there was all that lynching, beating, raping, shackling, etc. — that part obviously sucked. But once that was over, black people were — and again we quote — "rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth." Yeah … we’re sure that made it all worth it, Jon."
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 10/07/12 03:15 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
This may have some impact on the election:

"Arkansas State Rep. Jon Hubbard goes and writes a book. It’s called, "Letters to the Editor: Confessions of a Frustrated Conservative," and inside it he espouses a unique view of African-American history, asserting that slavery — and we quote here — "may actually have been a blessing in disguise." Sure, there was all that lynching, beating, raping, shackling, etc. — that part obviously sucked. But once that was over, black people were — and again we quote — "rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth." Yeah … we’re sure that made it all worth it, Jon."


Why would this have an impact on the election? It's not as if Romneys going to agree with it regardless of what he thinks.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/07/12 05:45 AM

It's not like Romney had African American vote to begin with.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/07/12 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Camarel

Why would this have an impact on the election? It's not as if Romneys going to agree with it regardless of what he thinks.


Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
It's not like Romney had African American vote to begin with.


Who knows how things will turn out? I don't. But sometimes little things like that can turn an election because they can cause one side to have to play defense instead of going on offense. They also energize the other side.

Romney is not yet doing as well among white voters as McCain did. It's not just black voters he has to worry about. There are plenty of white voters who will be turned off by such things. There are many independent or moderately conservative white voters that lean Republican or are looking for reasons to vote Republican.

When party leaders continually give indications that they think the wrong side won the Civil War or rape is no big deal or anyone who is darker than Desi Arnaz ought to be stopped and asked to prove citizenship the party risks losing some of those predominantly white swing voters.

Right now the election looks very close and neither side wants its nuts saying stupid things.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 10/07/12 01:20 PM

Original geschrieben von: Lilo
Right now the election looks very close and neither side wants its nuts saying stupid things.


I had the impression that that was what Obama or his advisers thought. I guess, these days Obama could only lose during the debates if he had made a major mistake, saying something stupid or attacking Romney on a wrong basis. That's why he preferred to appear boring.
The polls after the debates are usually about what voters think who won the debate. I think the debates won't have a great effect as long as there are no gaffes.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/07/12 05:50 PM

Romney is leading the Rasmussen poll by two points nationally. Moreover, he's got slim leads in Ohio, Florida and Virginia. All key swing states. But that's today. Polls aren't always reliable, and we're still three weeks away from the election. An eternity in close political races.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/romney_leads_obama_by_two_percent_GFK2swe14og9oJa7uBFwzK
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/07/12 06:12 PM

There's a good video on the Fox News website that illustrates the Electoral College vote state by state. Surf over to it. It shows the President with about 250 votes and Romney with about 200.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/12 05:59 AM

Here in Tampa, swing state Florida, it just does not have that feel like it did in 2008.

Not a single neighbor has a lawn sign up. Far fewer bumper stickers than I saw for 2008 and 2010 midterms.

There are a few crazy billboards though.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/12 08:49 AM

According to the Electoral Map of http://www.realclearpolitics.com which condenses the latest polls, Obama is likely to win the election.
There are eight "Toss Up" states:
Nevada, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, Missouri, Virginia, Colorado.
If nothing changes in the other states, it would be enough if he wins Florida and loses the others.
If he wins Ohio or North Carolina or Virginia, he needs just one more state.
Romney, on the other hand, needs 89 more votes.
That's why I believe that the only thing that can keep Obama from winning the election is a big mistake, or maybe another mad pastor.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/12 09:15 AM

I was following Hoffpost's electoral map and I tell ya, Obama had a better advantage before this debate. ohwell Polls certainly have shifted toward Romney after the 1st debate.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/12 09:46 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
I was following Hoffpost's electoral map and I tell ya, Obama had a better advantage before this debate. ohwell Polls certainly have shifted toward Romney after the 1st debate.


http://twitter.com/i/#!/search/realtime/%23IfObamaDontWin

Better hope Obama wins. People talking about civil disobedience if Obama loses.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/12 09:55 AM

Oh, come on! It's just BS talk from someone who doesn't get up from their ass and just tweets. These people endured Bush administration, and I bet no one from the right aside from Palin could resurrect that nightmare. lol
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/12 10:00 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Oh, come on! It's just BS talk from someone who doesn't get up from their ass and just tweets. These people endured Bush administration, and I bet no one from the right aside from Palin could resurrect that nightmare. lol


the hashtag is over a month old. of course there's a risk of civil disobedience if Obama loses. especially if it's close and his followers think he was robbed. I'm telling friends and family to take a day or two off if they can, just in case.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/12 10:14 AM

Yeah, if it was a week old there was nothing to worry about, but now there's. lol Better than that, tell them to vote for big O to stay safe. lol Goodness, I want some of what you're smoking. tongue
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/12 05:50 PM

Civil disobedience? Really?? Believe me, if nobody rose up after the election was stolen from Al Gore by the governor of the brother of the President-Elect, then nobody's going out of their way now.

I don't think Mitt Romney is a bad person, but I do think he and his running partner have some bad ideas. They are against equality, and not just for women or gays, but for seniors, the working poor and immigrants. Hmmmm, I guess that would be roughly 45% of the population!
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/12 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
I was following Hoffpost's electoral map and I tell ya, Obama had a better advantage before this debate. ohwell Polls certainly have shifted toward Romney after the 1st debate.


The challenger to a president almost always gets a boost from the first debate.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/12 09:02 PM

The risk of national violence and civil disobedience if Obama loses is crazier than the Y2K hysteria in 1999.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/08/12 09:55 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
The risk of national violence and civil disobedience if Obama loses is crazier than the Y2K hysteria in 1999.


Not the same.

Of course there will be problems in Newark, Oakland, St. Louis, CHICAGO, Atlanta and other cities.

Expect a national walkout from school too.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/12 12:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Expect a national walkout from school too.


clap WOO HOO! We'll get off Election Day AND the next day?! Go MITT!!!
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/12 01:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: klydon1
The risk of national violence and civil disobedience if Obama loses is crazier than the Y2K hysteria in 1999.


Of course there will be problems in Newark, Oakland, St. Louis, CHICAGO, Atlanta and other cities.

Expect a national walkout from school too.


Boy, those darn black people. I don't know why we even have them.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/12 05:26 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
The challenger to a president almost always gets a boost from the first debate.


I'm hoping Obama does better in the next debates. Those pauses aren't gonna help him though, I remember Stewart saying that he feels president talks to other universes during those pauses. lol

And in Bill Maher's Real Time, it was mentioned that Obama probably didn't wanna come across as an angry black man. ohwell Oh, the things you have to mind in American politics makes my head hurt. rolleyes
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/12 05:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Expect a national walkout from school too.


clap WOO HOO! We'll get off Election Day AND the next day?! Go MITT!!!


I always figured you were a grade school student.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/12 05:29 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: klydon1
The risk of national violence and civil disobedience if Obama loses is crazier than the Y2K hysteria in 1999.


Of course there will be problems in Newark, Oakland, St. Louis, CHICAGO, Atlanta and other cities.

Expect a national walkout from school too.


Boy, those darn black people. I don't know why we even have them.


Not funny.

As we get closer to election day, if the election looks close, you'll hear about law enforcement preparing for civil unrest.

I didn't say black people. Plenty of white OWS types will probably lead the unrest. They've done it before.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/12 05:44 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: klydon1
The challenger to a president almost always gets a boost from the first debate.


I'm hoping Obama does better in the next debates. Those pauses aren't gonna help him though, I remember Stewart saying that he feels president talks to other universes during those pauses. lol

And in Bill Maher's Real Time, it was mentioned that Obama probably didn't wanna come across as an angry black man. ohwell Oh, the things you have to mind in American politics makes my head hurt. rolleyes


LOL @ angry black man. New Yorker magazine introduced that to the echoing chamber when Obama said, "You didn't build that". Their theory was that it wasn't what Obama said, but how he said it which made white racists wake up and protest. Well, that's NY magazine.

I think Obama will do better because he has been strong on foreign policy. The main reason Obama will win is the demographics in swing states favor him. In the end, that's it.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/12 05:49 AM

^^ Botta bing botta boom
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/12 06:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
New Yorker magazine introduced that to the echoing chamber when Obama said, "You didn't build that". Their theory was that it wasn't what Obama said, but how he said it which made white racists wake up and protest. Well, that's NY magazine.

I think Obama will do better because he has been strong on foreign policy. The main reason Obama will win is the demographics in swing states favor him. In the end, that's it.

Gee, as if that comment wasn't taken out of context! The reason that was an issue, wasn't the way he said it, it was the desperation of a party that has nothing worth while to stand up for and has to make issues out of thin air and make them important too. Like taking God off the coin. As if it was Obama's plan.

Well, at least when Obama wins, you don't have to worry about riots. rolleyes
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/12 06:08 AM

Nothing out of context. I agree with Obama to an extent because infrastructure is important. But he pissed off quite a few business people in the process.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/09/12 06:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Nothing out of context. I agree with Obama to an extent because infrastructure is important. But he pissed off quite a few business people in the process.


That comment was taken out of context. And if businessmen choose to be offended about the comment that they didn't build bridges and roads, let them be offended. Working middle class has to pay 35% tax on payroll, while the businessmen like the late Steve Jobs would get 1 dollar monthly so that they would pay only 15% tax on their share of the company! They don't even pay the same percentage as the least wealthy, but choose to take offense. uhwhat
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/10/12 06:05 PM

This is a cool site. It illustrates how the purchase of certain products may indicate the election victor:

http://money.msn.com/investing/mistrust-polls-try-7-eleven-or-stars
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/11/12 06:24 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
This is a cool site. It illustrates how the purchase of certain products may indicate the election victor:

http://money.msn.com/investing/mistrust-polls-try-7-eleven-or-stars


That's better than counting lawn signs and bumper stickers.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 10/12/12 11:10 PM

I feel extremely irritated that Paul Ryan looks like a childhood friend of mine.
Posted By: jace

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/12 08:18 AM

Does anyone else see these presidential elections getting more outrageous in accusations and tactics used, by both sides ?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/12 09:07 AM

Originally Posted By: jace
Does anyone else see these presidential elections getting more outrageous in accusations and tactics used, by both sides ?


yes. we're more divided than ever.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/12 04:07 PM

I vote by mail and just received my ballot. I always hate that there are so many propositions to go thru. Some of the more popular ones I know of but it's time consuming (and boring) sorting thru pros/cons of each. rolleyes

It's convenient voting by mail, but part of me likes the idea of going to the polls. It's such a patriotic feeling. smile


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/12 04:42 PM

TIS, I always early vote. That way I can take my time. As with CA, the Texas ballot is usually replete with Constitutional Amendments, so it takes awhile to go through it. Also, Texas has the long Ballot because all public offices are elective.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/12 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
TIS, I always early vote. That way I can take my time. As with CA, the Texas ballot is usually replete with Constitutional Amendments, so it takes awhile to go through it. Also, Texas has the long Ballot because all public offices are elective.


That is the advantage Oli. I received first a sample ballot, going over all the propositions a couple weeks ago. Unfortunately I didn't go thru it. But, within the next few days I plan to have it in the mail. Damn, it's like doing homework. lol

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/13/12 10:03 PM

My daughter is voting for the first time this year. Since my girls are four years apart, they were both able to have their first votes be in presidential elections. Also, since all the high school seniors in our school are required to take civics, they were both very informed, too.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/16/12 09:25 AM

More threats to riot if Obama loses. It's mostly on twitter. I wonder what the mood will be if the polls are close come election day?

http://www.infowars.com/new-threats-to-riot-if-obama-loses-election/
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/16/12 04:59 PM

Finally, Romney's tax plan:


http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

smile


TIS
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 10/16/12 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Finally, Romney's tax plan:


http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

smile


TIS


There's been no substance to his tax plan, and he's been allowed to ride the wind so far. It was conveniently released just before the debate
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/16/12 05:13 PM

Kly

Click the link? wink



TIS
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 10/16/12 06:52 PM

Wow! This has become the most active thread (ever??) on the General Discussion forum.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/12 11:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
More threats to riot if Obama loses. It's mostly on twitter. I wonder what the mood will be if the polls are close come election day?

http://www.infowars.com/new-threats-to-riot-if-obama-loses-election/


http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/1...wins/?mobile=nc
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/12 11:19 AM

Meanwhile Clear Channel, which just so happens to be owned by Bain Capital, is putting up advertisements in Black neighborhoods warning people about the punishments for voter fraud.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/10/politicians_say_advertisement.html

But I'm sure it's just a coincidence that these types of ads and warnings are popping up in Black and/or Hispanic neighborhoods. rolleyes

Whoever wins this election it is going to be very interesting (and by interesting I mean hilarious) to watch the GOP confront the changing US voter demographics over the next 2-3 election cycles. It is within the realm of possibility that by 2024 or even 2020 that Texas becomes a "blue" state. The GOP will not be able to be nationally competitive in its current incarnation without Texas.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/12 12:41 PM

The tweets are real. We all can draw our own conclusions.

Remember the flash mobs? Philly. Baltimore. Miami. If Obama loses, we'll probably have them all at once. But there's no way an Obama loss would result in people just going on with their lives. Of course there will be some kind of civil disobedience.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/12 02:30 PM

Original geschrieben von: Skinny_Vinny
The tweets are real. We all can draw our own conclusions.

Remember the flash mobs? Philly. Baltimore. Miami. If Obama loses, we'll probably have them all at once. But there's no way an Obama loss would result in people just going on with their lives. Of course there will be some kind of civil disobedience.


Why do you think that a victory of Romney would cause more protest than the "tea party"?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/12 02:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo

Whoever wins this election it is going to be very interesting (and by interesting I mean hilarious) to watch the GOP confront the changing US voter demographics over the next 2-3 election cycles. It is within the realm of possibility that by 2024 or even 2020 that Texas becomes a "blue" state. The GOP will not be able to be nationally competitive in its current incarnation without Texas.


Exactly Lilo. Our population is 35% Hispanic and growing. Caucasians are a demographic minority now. Political change in Texas is now inevitable.

The GOP will have to change if it is to survive. It already has. For example one mantra of the right used to be that government doesn't create jobs. That's out the window now with Romney's claims that he as President will create jobs.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/12 02:54 PM

Not all Hispanics are liberal. And as they assimilate, they tend to worry about the issues, instead of voting by ethnicity and nothing more, like many(not all) people do in the NYC Mayoral(as an example).
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/12 03:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
like many(not all) people do in the NYC Mayoral(as an example).

I'm still a registered Democrat (for now, I'm leaning towards re-registering as an Independent after this election), but I'll be voting Republican in the next Mayoral election. Ms. Quinn can kiss my ass.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/12 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Whoever wins this election it is going to be very interesting (and by interesting I mean hilarious) to watch the GOP confront the changing US voter demographics over the next 2-3 election cycles.


Romney's father was born in Mexico.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/12 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
It is within the realm of possibility that by 2024 or even 2020 that Texas becomes a "blue" state. The GOP will not be able to be nationally competitive in its current incarnation without Texas.

Not if the Republicans win and close the borders whistle.

And I'm only half kidding ohwell.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/17/12 11:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Not all Hispanics are liberal. And as they assimilate, they tend to worry about the issues, instead of voting by ethnicity and nothing more, like many(not all) people do in the NYC Mayoral(as an example).


The Hispanic vote broke for Obama over McCain by 67-31 margin in 2008 election.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1024/exit-poll-analysis-hispanics
In Texas Obama got 63% of Hispanic vote.
Currently, national polls show likely Hispanic voters prefer Obama by 66-31
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/s...g-hispan/nSdB6/

It has very little to do with voting by ethnicity and everything to do with a vocal minority of the Republican base being openly hostile to Hispanics and more generally Hispanic voters eschewing what the Republicans are selling, even if immigration is removed from the equation.

The Republicans can counter this by trying to engage in voter suppression or run up larger margins among white voters. But even here they are limited somewhat due to stances on abortion and contraception. The gender gap is real. As Senator Graham said, "We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term"

So this all adds up to either in the next 8-12 years the Republicans move back toward the center and remain viable or keep on doing what they're doing and try to find a way to win with math that doesn't work.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 12:36 PM

I didn't see the 2nd debate, was too busy quite frankly. But I get the impression Mittens lost it, if only because would FNC be so bitchy and whiney about Candy if he hadn't?

Leaked audio captures Romney asking employers to tell their employees how to vote.

http://t.co/TDogrUz2
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 01:30 PM

Original geschrieben von: ronnierocketAGO

Leaked audio captures Romney asking employers to tell their employees how to vote.


Reminds me of Soviet methods...
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 01:39 PM

Isn't that also illegal or just merely frowned upon?
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 02:50 PM

Mitt Romney makes Richard Nixon look like Jimmy Carter.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 03:28 PM

I know, I know, polls mean nothing and they don't reflect the electoral count. But this is stunning. The latest Gallup poll has Mitt ahead by SIX full points eek.

From the Huffington Post: Mitt Romney Leads Obama by Six Points: Gallup Poll
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I know, I know, polls mean nothing and they don't reflect the electoral count. But this is stunning. The latest Gallup poll has Mitt ahead by SIX full points eek.

From the Huffington Post: Mitt Romney Leads Obama by Six Points: Gallup Poll



This poll was taken for the past seven days, most of which were before the last debate. Mitt's peaked. Obama has him just wher he wants him whistle
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 05:09 PM

You know what liberals like to do? Panic. Calm down.

Every polling swing this election has taken place after one full news cycle. Every poll but Gallup has shown movement, but the other way. Romney's debate bounce came Friday not Thursday. The same for the 47%. The same for the DNC. So we should expect tonight not yesterday to really start showing results. So far this morning Ras remains unchanged from the week and RAND shows a one-day swing to Obama. Last I checked, 50% Gallup approval this close to the election is splendid.

Again I said this how many times when I regularly visited this thread I created? Considering the economy and this anger out there, why isn't Mittens creaming him and walking to the Oval Office? Why is he struggling with what the right wing thinks is the weak indifferent teleprompter-President? Right wingers will whine and blame the media this, the moderators that, and that's all it is: Crying. And nobody likes a whiner.

Republican candidates have won debates, even when they're arguably rigged against them. They've won elections before, even when the media is arguably biased against them. Quit tearing up, get your balls back from your wife's purse and you know, win?

Oh wait, maybe its because Mittens is just an unlikeable, condescending prick? Maybe Obama is a prick too (in fact I assume he is privately), but when this suppose "featherweight" candidate beat you in the debate rematch when he fully engaged himself and was ready to rumble and let's admit it, made you look like the Mittens in action that your own people try their best to hide and control...dude you got your ass kicked.

I did see one clip from the debate, and that was Obama accepting whatever failures that may've happened under his administration and the way he looked at Mittens. I just don't see Rombo doing that if the seats were switched.

It's funny but DT mentioned Nixon. I'm reminded of that speech he gave to the WH staff on the morning after he announced his resignation. It's very moving. He doesn't blame his enemies, he doesn't fall on his sword but you still get the impression from his body language and shaken language he accepted responsiblity for the scandal that plagued American for almost 2 years. He'll never admit defeat, but he did anyway. I'm also reminded of when from that whole Nixon/Frost circus, he did accept failure in a written statement for Watergate and causing many people to lose faith in the American government.(Even if he then and his death more or less still try to blame his enemies in the media and Kennedys for Watergate.)

*=Maybe Mittens needs a teleprompter so he won't come off as an asshole like he apparently did the other night?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 05:11 PM

It shouldn't be this close, Ronnie. Romney might win.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 05:23 PM

Its going to come down to Ohio. If you play with some of the interactive maps online, there is a very scary possibility that they could each end up with 269 electoral votes, throwing the election to the House of Reps, which would elect Romney.
If we have two elections in this century determined by something other than the actual vote, we're headed for some real trouble.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
It shouldn't be this close, Ronnie. Romney might win.


7.6% unemployment rate. That should be a cakewalk.

Then again, maybe not for a guy whining about question order.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 06:40 PM

We've had almost 4 years to observe the President in office. We are well aware of the economic statistics; we are well aware of the President's policies. All of the foregoing are represented by Republicans as awful. We've had 2 debates; we've been exposed to a seemingly unlimited number of political ads. So, why isn't Romney leading by at least 10 points not only nationally, but in each state?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 08:08 PM

RT @JohnJHarwood: Top GOP pollster on Gallup's 7-pt Romney lead nationally among likely voters: "There is nothing I am looking at that resembles that data."
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 10:38 PM

On the Electoral Map, North Carolina has changed from "toss up" to "leaning Romney". For the first time this year, Romney is leading in electoral votes (206) compared to Obama (201).
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/18/12 10:46 PM

CBS has Romney up by 7 points, 52% for Romney to 45% for Obama.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57535370/poll-romney-lead-grows-in-daily-tracking-poll/
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 12:25 AM

This election is going to be even closer than I initially thought unfortunately.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Danito
On the Electoral Map, North Carolina has changed from "toss up" to "leaning Romney". For the first time this year, Romney is leading in electoral votes (206) compared to Obama (201).
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html


Obama gave up on NC a few weeks ago. And here in Florida, both candidates are moving staff out of the state and into Ohio where it's still a battle.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 02:00 AM

Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 03:50 AM

The Gawker has a piece on Romney's son's. Pretty funny or nasty depending on which side your on.

"Which Romney Son Is Creepiest?"

http://gawker.com/5953005/which-romney-son-is-creepiest

Check out the one son "Evil cyborg banker" Josh!
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 11:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
The Gawker has a piece on Romney's son's. Pretty funny or nasty depending on which side your on.

"Which Romney Son Is Creepiest?"

http://gawker.com/5953005/which-romney-son-is-creepiest

Check out the one son "Evil cyborg banker" Josh!


Of course, it would be unacceptable is anyone made fun of Obama's daughters. That's how it works.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 12:30 PM

Matt Drudge hinted that Gloria Allred has some dirt and is getting ready to unleash it. I think thats what he meant. Here's what he said.

From his Twitter

"Here she comes. Hearing Gloria Allred out there again, about to make a move. After all, it's her time of the campaign. Team O at the ready!!"

https://twitter.com/DRUDGE

Allred won't confirm or deny at this time. I have no idea what she could possibly be up to but i wouldn't put anything past her.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 02:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Of course, it would be unacceptable is anyone made fun of Obama's daughters. That's how it works.

To be fair, Vinny, the press was pretty rough on Chelsea Clinton during her, uhm, awkward years (that kid had a face that could make an onion cry).
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 03:36 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
To be fair, Vinny, the press was pretty rough on Chelsea Clinton during her, uhm, awkward years (that kid had a face that could make an onion cry).


Chelsea looked like Hillary with a horse face.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 03:49 PM

Romney's sons are grown men, one of whom said he wanted to take a swipt at the presicent. The president's daughters are minors, and they chould be off limits to the press until they are grown...unless they make news.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Matt Drudge hinted that Gloria Allred has some dirt and is getting ready to unleash it. I think thats what he meant. Here's what he said.

From his Twitter

"Here she comes. Hearing Gloria Allred out there again, about to make a move. After all, it's her time of the campaign. Team O at the ready!!"

https://twitter.com/DRUDGE

Allred won't confirm or deny at this time. I have no idea what she could possibly be up to but i wouldn't put anything past her.


About a month ago, Hugh Hewitt said Allred had info of an affair or sexual harassment by Romney.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Matt Drudge hinted that Gloria Allred has some dirt and is getting ready to unleash it. I think thats what he meant. Here's what he said.

From his Twitter

"Here she comes. Hearing Gloria Allred out there again, about to make a move. After all, it's her time of the campaign. Team O at the ready!!"
Allred won't confirm or deny at this time. I have no idea what she could possibly be up to but i wouldn't put anything past her.

About a month ago, Hugh Hewitt said Allred had info of an affair or sexual harassment by Romney.


There's probably a binder full of info on that. whistle
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 04:22 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Romney's sons are grown men, one of whom said he wanted to take a swipt at the presicent. The president's daughters are minors, and they chould be off limits to the press until they are grown...unless they make news.


Exactly.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Matt Drudge hinted that Gloria Allred has some dirt and is getting ready to unleash it. I think thats what he meant. Here's what he said.

From his Twitter

"Here she comes. Hearing Gloria Allred out there again, about to make a move. After all, it's her time of the campaign. Team O at the ready!!"

https://twitter.com/DRUDGE

Allred won't confirm or deny at this time. I have no idea what she could possibly be up to but i wouldn't put anything past her.


About a month ago, Hugh Hewitt said Allred had info of an affair or sexual harassment by Romney.


Wow, that would be something if it's true. I remember Allred involved herself in the race for governor out in california in 2010 when she went after Meg Whitman for hiring a "undocumented worker".
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 06:24 PM

Oh yeah. Nicky the Maid, or something like that. I wonder how she's doing?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 06:42 PM

Allred is a joke. No one even takes her legal "interventions" seriously anymore. She has zero credibility. Her handling of the pigs in the Tiger Woods scandal outed for for what she is: A man hating shrew who'll do anything for a buck.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 08:31 PM

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 10:31 PM

The economy is worse than ever! Change horses mid-stream!

Unemployment rate drops in 41 states, including most swing states

http://wapo.st/S2nLlp
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 10:37 PM

what. the. fuck?

Quote:
Tagg Romney, the son of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, has purchased electronic voting machines that will be used in the 2012 elections in Ohio, Texas, Oklahoma, Washington and Colorado.

"Late last month, Gerry Bello and Bob Fitrakis at FreePress.org broke the story of the Mitt Romney/Bain Capital investment team involved in H.I.G. Capital which, in July of 2011, completed a "strategic investment" to take over a fair share of the Austin-based e-voting machine company Hart Intercivic," according to independent journalist Brad Friedman.

But Friedman is not the only one to discover the connection between the Romney family, Bain Capital, and ownership of voting machines.


Quote:
"Through a closely held equity fund called Solamere, Mitt Romney and his wife, son and brother are major investors in an investment firm called H.I.G. Capital. H.I.G. in turn holds a majority share and three out of five board members in Hart Intercivic, a company that owns the notoriously faulty electronic voting machines that will count the ballots in swing state Ohio November 7. Hart machines will also be used elsewhere in the United States.

In other words, a candidate for the presidency of the United States, and his brother, wife and son, have a straight-line financial interest in the voting machines that could decide this fall's election. These machines cannot be monitored by the public. But they will help decide who "owns" the White House."


http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-new...ital-investment
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 11:07 PM

fuck both romney and obamma, they both suck! regardless of who wins, the economy will continue to go down the toilet, we will be at war with iran by february, and cival liberties will continue to shrink at an alarming rate. nothing ever changes with this corrupt 2 party system. while honest, hardworking americans continue to get screwed, both of these fools continue to play volleyball with meaningless issues such as gay rights, marriage and other stupid issues that the government has no business even getting involved with in the first place. the only candidate who makes any sense whatsoever is gary johnson, but not surprising he isn't welcome at any of these dog and pony shows that they try to pass off as "debates"! on the topic of debates, i think some of you here might find this video on the commission on presidential debates interesting...






Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 11:21 PM

I do wish the debates were like the UK Parliament debates where the Tories and Labour regularly thrash each other face-to-face.

Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 11:29 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I do wish the debates were like the UK Parliament debates where the Tories and Labour regularly thrash each other face-to-face.



This happens every week not enough of the country takes notice though unless it's election year.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 11:37 PM

Can i ask why this site is so supportive of Obama?

No offence is meant by this question it's just reading through this site you're lucky to see a republican pop up on every 5th page. Is it related to alot of posters being from NorthEastern more democrat states?

Again no offence meant just curious.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/19/12 11:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Camarel
Can i ask why this site is so supportive of Obama?

No offence is meant by this question it's just reading through this site you're lucky to see a republican pop up on every 5th page. Is it related to alot of posters being from NorthEastern more democrat states?

Again no offence meant just curious.


Perhaps, and perhaps the few local GOPers just for the most part don't want to bother jumping into this war zone?
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 01:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Camarel
Can i ask why this site is so supportive of Obama?

No offence is meant by this question it's just reading through this site you're lucky to see a republican pop up on every 5th page. Is it related to alot of posters being from NorthEastern more democrat states?

Again no offence meant just curious.


The thing that ticks me is the fear mongering and the lying that takes place from the GOP, sure Libs are guilty of that as well but def not as much. But 9 times out 10 you can bet the bank the conservatives say and do way more some wacky shit. Plus its kind of hard to defend policies that have no actual FACTUAL precedents to them that show they do what is claimed they do.

Being from the Northeast doesnt hurt as well. Personally, I dont vote on party lines or even for candidates. I vote on SPECIFIC policies that I have researched in detail (taxes,etc) that make sense. I have voted for candidates from both parties (not necessarily for President though).
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 01:51 AM

On that note, before the last debate monday and the GOP will go schitzoid on the Benghazi shit:

No evidence found of Al Qaeda role in Libya attack

U.S. intelligence agencies and witnesses paint a picture of an assault carried out with little planning at the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-attack-20121020,0,95514.story

Wasn't it the right wing (with opportunistic Democratic Senators/wannabe-Presidents) who jumped the gun on Iraq and their phantom WMD arsenal? A trillion dollars and nearly a decade later, a shithole still a shithole, a local populace who still hates our guts and values, and alot of our good boys died...

Nevermind that one ugy that Dubya never could find, who was living comfortably within distance of a Pakistani military academy, and (if I remember the alleged story correctly) his location was found because a Pakistani Intelligence service officer was bribed millions to reveal it? Those same people that the GOP (and Democrats I'll add) were afraid of offending?

That's why I admire what Obama did in ordering that raid, done without alerting the Pakistanis (who would've warned OBL and he would've fled)and invading their airspace, and god knows the political fallout if that mission had failed or a repeat of Operation Eagle Claw. It was a risk, but it paid off. (And Pakistan's reactions subsequently revealed what a fraud our so-called alliance is.)

I might add this alliance with those goddamn untrustworthy Pakistanis in that government, the same people who shamelessly give arms and money to the Taliban which have killed so many of our boys, was re-initiated by the Dubya Administration after 9/11? (Clinton had Pakistan and India under intense sanctions after they both broke the NPT Treaty and went nuclear armed.)

I won't excuse Obama for continuing that alliance struck and carried on in bad faith. But just remember all this when Mittens plays G.I. Joe monday night.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 02:24 PM

Mitt Widens Florida Gap.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/ray_of_sunshine_as_mitt_widens_fla_oIC4HCq19yipfe8Qz79lzJ
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 02:34 PM

^^ Gonna be rioting down there in FL if Mitt wins.

For my money they could cut Florida off from the U.S. at the Georgia border and let it float away into the Caribbean.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
For my money they could cut Florida off from the U.S. at the Georgia border and let it float away into the Caribbean.

Your parents loved Florida, didn't they? You just don't like the heat tongue lol.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 02:58 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You just don't like the heat.


It's not just the heat. It's heat and HUMIDITY. If I wanted to live in a sauna I'd move to Sweden.

also

I don't like:

1. hurricanes
2. tornadoes
3. alligators
4. rednecks
5. lousy food
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 03:00 PM

Well, the food is much better today than it was twenty years ago. Hard to argue with the rest lol.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 03:11 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You just don't like the heat.


It's not just the heat. It's heat and HUMIDITY. If I wanted to live in a sauna I'd move to Sweden.

also

I don't like:

1. hurricanes
2. tornadoes
3. alligators
4. rednecks
5. lousy food


The humidity and all those damn mosquitoes make it a dealbreaker for me and florida. I only go during the winter months, never in the summer. It's just too damn hot and humid for me.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 04:33 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You just don't like the heat.


It's not just the heat. It's heat and HUMIDITY. If I wanted to live in a sauna I'd move to Sweden.

also

I don't like:

1. hurricanes
2. tornadoes
3. alligators
4. rednecks
5. lousy food


Conversely,

I love little baby ducks,
Old pick-up trucks,
Slow movin trains, and rain.

I love little country streams,
Sleep without dreams,
Sunday school in May, and hay.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Camarel
Can i ask why this site is so supportive of Obama?

No offence is meant by this question it's just reading through this site you're lucky to see a republican pop up on every 5th page. Is it related to alot of posters being from NorthEastern more democrat states?

Again no offence meant just curious.


Yes, that's a big part of it.

There a lot of Italian Republicans, as evidenced by voting results on Staten Island or Middle Village and Howard Beach, but they probably would not post here.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 05:03 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You just don't like the heat.


It's not just the heat. It's heat and HUMIDITY. If I wanted to live in a sauna I'd move to Sweden.

also

I don't like:

1. hurricanes
2. tornadoes
3. alligators
4. rednecks
5. lousy food


Aside from their annoying Ford F-150's, rednecks are harmless.

Besides, the parts of Florida that the New York types like(Broward, Dade, Palm Beach) don't have rednecks. They're mostly in the central and northern parts of the state.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
There a lot of Italian Republicans, as evidenced by voting results on Staten Island or Middle Village and Howard Beach, but they probably would not post here.

Very true. Don Cardi is a Staten Island Italian American conservative, and one of the best guys you'll ever meet on this or any other board. But he doesn't come around much anymore.

Hey DC, I miss you brother! smile
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 06:40 PM

There was a time that I had such heated debates with Don Cardi, being at the complete opposite of every issue. He really is a sweetheart and was very kind to me on personal matters and I appreciate it. He used to say that he didn't bear anyone criticizing president, then president Bush and I imagine if he posted anything political now, knowing his views he would feel as though he is criticizing the president now I suppose. Gotta admit, he has principles. I wonder if he ever warmed up to Obama for killing Bin Laden. tongue
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/20/12 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
There was a time that I had such heated debates with Don Cardi, being at the complete opposite of every issue. He really is a sweetheart and was very kind to me on personal matters and I appreciate it. He used to say that he didn't bear anyone criticizing president, then president Bush and I imagine if he posted anything political now, knowing his views he would feel as though he is criticizing the president now I suppose. Gotta admit, he has principles. I wonder if he ever warmed up to Obama for killing Bin Laden. tongue


Bush is a piece of garbage for invading Iraq. I'm happy to say I never voted for that man.

I sometimes wonder if he was happy that 9/11 happened because it ultimately gave him carte blanche to invade Iraq. The feeling in America at the time was that if you did not support Bush's efforts, you were anti-American.

But Obama has his own problems. About the only reason I may vote for him is I think Romney will get us into a war.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/21/12 10:24 AM

Voter Fraud Charges
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/22/12 01:58 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
There a lot of Italian Republicans, as evidenced by voting results on Staten Island or Middle Village and Howard Beach, but they probably would not post here.

Very true. Don Cardi is a Staten Island Italian American conservative, and one of the best guys you'll ever meet on this or any other board. But he doesn't come around much anymore.

Hey DC, I miss you brother! smile


Where did you Don Cardi? Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you boo hoo hoo.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/22/12 08:31 PM

Now it's Donald Trump saying he'll unveil a "Bombshell" on Obama. Didn't he say this once or twice before?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/comp...88962_blog.html

Also i read they'll have Internationl Monitors at USA voting poles. WTF is up with that?

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/263...ter-fraud-group
Posted By: carmela

Re: Election 2012 - 10/22/12 08:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Camarel
Can i ask why this site is so supportive of Obama?

No offence is meant by this question it's just reading through this site you're lucky to see a republican pop up on every 5th page. Is it related to alot of posters being from NorthEastern more democrat states?

Again no offence meant just curious.


Yes, that's a big part of it.

There a lot of Italian Republicans, as evidenced by voting results on Staten Island or Middle Village and Howard Beach, but they probably would not post here.


Just to answer your question. I'm here, I'm Republican, and I'm voting for Romney, as are my parents, one of whom is from italy and the other from czech. I just have zero interest in talking about politics on a forum. It's pointless.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 10/22/12 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: carmela
I'm Republican, and I'm voting for Romney


Don't you have any laundry to do? tongue
Posted By: carmela

Re: Election 2012 - 10/22/12 08:58 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: carmela
I'm Republican, and I'm voting for Romney


Don't you have any laundry to do? tongue


grin Round 4 coming right up!
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 12:35 AM

Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: carmela
I'm Republican, and I'm voting for Romney


Don't you have any laundry to do? tongue


grin Round 4 coming right up!


A woman voting? The first thing they do is forget to do the laundry.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 05:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo

Also i read they'll have Internationl Monitors at USA voting poles. WTF is up with that?

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/263...ter-fraud-group


1960 and 2000 say hello.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 04:57 PM

I think Trumps "Bombshell" is this one person that is claiming Obama used to use and sell coke in his college years. The Romney guys rejected the story but i think thats what Trump is talking about.

http://www.inquisitr.com/372821/trump-bo...cocaine-report/
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 05:02 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo

Also i read they'll have Internationl Monitors at USA voting poles. WTF is up with that?

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/263...ter-fraud-group


1960 and 2000 say hello.


That 2000 election was one for the history books, thats for sure. But still having International Monitors monitoring the polling places makes it sound to me like we're a corrupt 3rd world country. I don't know, i think it's pretty insulting myself. Just my opinion on it.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 07:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
That 2000 election was one for the history books, thats for sure. But still having International Monitors monitoring the polling places makes it sound to me like we're a corrupt 3rd world country. I don't know, i think it's pretty insulting myself. Just my opinion on it.


Don't ever make this mistake, a corrupt 3rd world country would not let IM near their polling places. lol I'm speaking from experience. grin
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 08:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo


That 2000 election was one for the history books, thats for sure. But still having International Monitors monitoring the polling places makes it sound to me like we're a corrupt 3rd world country. I don't know, i think it's pretty insulting myself. Just my opinion on it.


Our government is as dysfunctional (and just about as useless) as a corrupt 3rd world country.

Don't ever let pride cover the obvious.

Also Trump has denied his "bombshell" is the cocaine story. I've heard he'll allege that Obama is a bisexual.

(Which actually would be awesome because that would humiliate Osama Bin Laden's ghost even more. "I got shot in the head by guys lead by a guy who licks both crotch caves?!?")
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 08:41 PM

High school photos of Mitt mocking gay classmate surface

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/10/mitt-romney-high-school-pranks#slide=7
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 08:44 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I've heard he'll allege that Obama is a bisexual.


Even better, maybe they'll say Obama is a bisexual coke fiend and drug pusher. lol

I think if any of it was true it would of come out long before now. But i guess you never know.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 09:03 PM

I don't know where people get their info but I've read Trump will have something on his past cocaine habit. Also, a rumor that it would be divorce papers that Michelle filed in 2000. Trump's probably waiting to see what Gloria Allred will have on Mitt first so he can counter. Then again, it's Trump, maybe it's more birth certificate bullshit. rolleyes



TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 10:18 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I don't know where people get their info but I've read Trump will have something on his past cocaine habit. Also, a rumor that it would be divorce papers that Michelle filed in 2000. Trump's probably waiting to see what Gloria Allred will have on Mitt first so he can counter. Then again, it's Trump, maybe it's more birth certificate bullshit. rolleyes

Neither Allred nor Trump have enough credibility to sway the voting numbers significantly in either direction. He's a buffoon and she's a man-hating pig. They both make me sick.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 10:34 PM

Speaking of Allred, I just found this. Apparently Ms Allred wants to unseal sworn testimony/gag order by Romney in a prior court case, but no indication as to what kind of case/testimony. confused

Maybe Trump/Allred are competing after all. lol Who's on first?

TIS

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/gloria-allred-mitt-romney-october-surprise-gag-order
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/23/12 10:40 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Who's on first?

Not common sense lol.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 01:37 AM

If its a divorce that never went through, I'm still trying to figure out how that will be Trump's "major bombshell." Wow he maybe fucked around, wow maybe he worked too much, so much that divorce was considered but never went through back 2 Presidents ago.

In our lifetimes, especially in the aftermath of Bubba Era, this is some weaksauce scandalicious.

Anyway whatever it'll be (a bisexual coke dealer who almost got divorced maybe?), Mittens will run away from that shit like the plague.

Then MSNBC will replay ad nauseum that clip back in the primaries where Trump "endorsed" Mittens in person and shook hands. Fox News won't of course, and CNN...well who gives a shit about CNN?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 01:53 AM

As I understand it, Trump will tweet it NOT announce it on tv. Don't know if that means the media isn't interested in giving Trump airtime or what.

I'm wondering how it is that anyone can get a copy of anyone else's divorce (or any legal papers) papers. Is that in itself legal? confused




TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 02:34 AM

Certain documents are public and a matter of public record. You just have to have the patience to look for them.

And if he did use coke at one time in his life (not saying he did), wasn't W the poster boy for rehab? Wasn't he a cokehead alcoholic?
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Certain documents are public and a matter of public record. You just have to have the patience to look for them.

And if he did use coke at one time in his life (not saying he did), wasn't W the poster boy for rehab? Wasn't he a cokehead alcoholic?

as much as i'm not i fan of mr. obama, this is a solid point as old dubbya was known to be a fan of snowy nights

with that said, its no big secret that obama has used drugs in the past so it makes it all the more troublesome when he continues and by many accounts has ampted up the drug war, including many raids on medical marijuana facilities that were otherwise in compliance with existing state law, despite his promises to the contrary. i do realize that the president isn't in control of everything that goes on but the bottom line is that the buck stops at the white house, no matter what party, and they have a great deal of influence over which laws can be selectively enforced.

regardless of your feelings on the current drug war, an issue like this at the very least helps to illustrate the gap between politicians and ordinary citizens. to throw someone in jail and be able to justify it while you at the same time have dabbled in drugs is morally wrong! if our current president was caught with drugs its highly unlikely that he would have risen so high in politics, much less become president. seems like a serious double standard to me. (same for bush, although despite his run ins with the law, he was still some how able to trick his way into office thanks in no small part to the already very powerful political clout of his family
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 03:04 AM

"... in compliance with state law ..."

How about out of compliance with federal law?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 03:18 AM

GOP senate candidate: Pregnancy from rape “is something that God intended”

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/24/gop_sena...t_god_intended/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 03:19 AM

Did Instrade get rigged today?

Quote:
With two weeks before the election, most political followers are glued to national and swing-state polls. But some junkies and journalists swear by Intrade, an online betting market where investors place money on the next president (among other things).

But this morning, something very weird happened on Intrade. Mitt Romney began the day trailing the president 60 to 40 (i.e.: his chance of winning was priced at 40%). Suddenly, Romney surged to 49%, and the president's stock collapsed, despite no game-changing news in the press. The consensus on Twitter seemed to be that somebody tried to manipulate the market.


http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arch...intrade/264000/
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 03:28 AM

Hey, it was the '80s. What can we say?? cool

All kidding aside, the drug war is a joke. We've spent billions, perhaps trillions, since it started, and it has gotten us nowhere. When is someone going to grow the b**ls to say the politically INcorrect thing - that prison for recreational drug users is a waste? Spending the money on rehab would be much better spent. The court system is clogged with drug arrests, and it's a deplorable use of the public's money.

In 1970, 322,000 adults and just under 100,000 juveniles were arrested on drug charges. In 2007 (the last year posted on the Bureau of Justice Statistics' website), 1,645,500 adults and just under 200,000 juveniles were arrested on drug charges. How's the war going???? rolleyes

Sorry to go off on a rant, but the whole "war on drugs" thing makes me crazy.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 04:01 AM

Trump is now saying he won't announce his bombshell on TV tomorrow. (Translation, Fox News told him to take a hike.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 04:45 AM

Quote:
Mitt Romney was heavily involved in the extremely messy divorce of one of his key supporters ... and the Boston Globe is going to court first thing Wednesday morning in an attempt to unseal the court file as well as lift a gag order ... TMZ has learned.

The divorce was between Staples co-founder Tom Stemberg and his first wife Maureen. We're told the divorce battle lasted for years and was extremely ugly.

Sources tell us Romney gave both a deposition in the divorce and testified in the trial. According to our sources, the Boston Globe got a tip that there was "juicy information about Romney" in the sealed documents.


source: TMZ
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 04:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Hey, it was the '80s. What can we say?? cool

All kidding aside, the drug war is a joke. We've spent billions, perhaps trillions, since it started, and it has gotten us nowhere. When is someone going to grow the b**ls to say the politically INcorrect thing - that prison for recreational drug users is a waste? Spending the money on rehab would be much better spent. The court system is clogged with drug arrests, and it's a deplorable use of the public's money.



In 1970, 322,000 adults and just under 100,000 juveniles were arrested on drug charges. In 2007 (the last year posted on the Bureau of Justice Statistics' website), 1,645,500 adults and just under 200,000 juveniles were arrested on drug charges. How's the war going???? rolleyes

Sorry to go off on a rant, but the whole "war on drugs" thing makes me crazy.


Alot of that money I'm sure is spent real cushy while hunting down all the villians out there
Posted By: jace

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 07:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
I think Trumps "Bombshell" is this one person that is claiming Obama used to use and sell coke in his college years. The Romney guys rejected the story but i think thats what Trump is talking about.

http://www.inquisitr.com/372821/trump-bo...cocaine-report/



I think Trump has nothing but a story that will make people say "Is that all there is?" Not that it will bother Trump, he probably hears it every time a girlfriend sees him with his pants off for first time.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 04:01 PM

You know, I gotta give Allred that ambulance-chasing bitch credit. I thought she was chasing after shadows with the sealed court testimony, sorta like those mythical Mittens tax returns which after a epic struggle finally revealed nothing as I predicted. (And made Mittens silly for being so cagey about them in the first place, but nevermind.)

But this is a juicy read. (Your turn Mr. Trump.)

Mitt Romney Allegedly LIED in Court To Screw Over Friend's Wife

Mitt Romney LIED under oath when he testified in the divorce of his good friend and screwed the friend's wife out of a lot of money in the process ... so claims the ex-wife of Staples' founder TomStemberg.

Multiple sources connected with the divorce tell TMZ ... during Tom's uber nasty divorce case with ex-wife Maureen, Mitt Romney gave a deposition and testified during the trial that Staples was worth virtually nothing. Romney testified that the company was worth very little and Tom was a dreamer and "the dream continues."

Romney characterized the Staples stock as "overvalued," adding, "I didn't place a great deal of credibility in the forecast of the company's future."

Partly as a result of Romney's testimony, Maureen got relatively little in the divorce, but we're told just weeks after the divorce ended, Romney and Tom went to Goldman Sachs and cashed in THEIR stock for a fortune. Short story -- Romney allegedly lied to help his friend and screw the friend's wife over.

http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2AEUZWQHI
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 04:20 PM

And Trump's big bombshell is offering to donate $5 million to charity if Obama released his college transcripts. More like a big disapointing, Troll-rific self-promoting stunt which worked. I like how even Fox News is "wtf?" over this.

Not exactly comparable to Allred's big (potential) score today.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 04:22 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
And Trump's big bombshell is offering to donate $5 million to charity if Obama released his college transcripts. More like a big disapointing, Troll-rific self-promoting stunt which worked. I like how even Fox News is "wtf?" over this.

Not exactly comparable to Allred's big (potential) score today.


Yeah Ronnie, i was just going to post that. What a pathetic grandstanding media whore that guy is.

Allred might be onto something if they can prove Romney lied to help his pal screw his exwife out of money. Should be interesting to see if the court will release the court records.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 04:25 PM

Yea, what the hell? That's a bombshell? confused Mitt need not release his taxes but for God's sake PBO must release college record, passport(not to mention birth certificate) rolleyes

Is his ego that big?


TIS
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Is his ego that big?


To quote Trump himself "It's Huge!" lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo


Allred might be onto something if they can prove Romney lied to help his pal screw his exwife out of money. Should be interesting to see if the court will release the court records.


We'll see. The Right will inevitably blame it on an angry ex-wife, yet to be fair such allegations fit into Mittens' profile as a parasite. For all the propaganda of what a successful capitalist he was, he's successful like the Mob or lottery winners or even prostitutes. Not like industrial tycoons like Bill Gates who went from a garage into King of the Unvierse, or Vince McMahon taking a Northeastern wrestling promotion and making WWWF (later WWF then WWE) into the biggest wrestling company in the world.

Both said men were ruthless (McMahon specifically is a sorry son of a bitch when you read accounts about him), yet I do admire how they both shaped the world into theirs, with the rest of us living in it. Steve Jobs in this regard also comes to mind. That aint Mittens.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 05:10 PM

TMZ update:

We haven't heard back from the Romney campaign office -- however Mitt's attorney was quoted about the Stemberg divorce in Time magazine, saying ... “This is a decades-old divorce case in which Mitt Romney provided testimony as to the value of a company. He has no objection to letting the public see that testimony.”

9:49 AM PT -- A rep for Tom Stemberg also released a statement ... saying, "Over the past several years, the judge in this case has made it very clear that the gag order imposed should not be violated. We have never violated this order and will continue to adhere to the court’s ruling on this case."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2AEmEUfMn
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 05:16 PM

new Gallup poll: Mittens still up by 3 in LV, but Obama's approval rating is 53% and now up 1 in RV.

Something about that poll doesn't make sense.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
new Gallup poll: Mittens still up by 3 in LV, but Obama's approval rating is 53% and now up 1 in RV.

Something about that poll doesn't make sense.


I don't totally understand it, BUT I hear some reports saying the reason for that is Mitt's high approval in Southern States. Yet, electoral votes still go to the President easily at this point.

smile

TIS
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/24/12 11:53 PM

Independent voter here and first time posting in general discussion. Still undecided on who to vote for. I try to educate myself on politics best I can, but find I don't have time. Could anyone give some insight?
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 12:05 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Independent voter here and first time posting in general discussion. Still undecided on who to vote for. I try to educate myself on politics best I can, but find I don't have time. Could anyone give some insight?


Dont watch/listen to Fox News
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 12:11 AM

I don't Dap haha when they started putting people like Glenn Beck on the channel that's when I avoided it completely. But I also realize that news stations like NBC, and MSNBC are very biased towards the left. It's pne of the reasons why I'm independent in the first place. Both sides are guilty of bias in my mind.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 12:12 AM

MSNBC has hosts that are BOTH Liberal (Rachel Maddow) and Conservative (Morning Joe)
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 12:18 AM

I recall FOX had Hannity and Colmes. But that was a joke. Sean Hannity is a smug little prick while Colmes is just a puppet for the left. Like I said, both sides are guilty of bias in my mind.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 01:03 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
new Gallup poll: Mittens still up by 3 in LV, but Obama's approval rating is 53% and now up 1 in RV.

Something about that poll doesn't make sense.


That was the first poll since debate #3. Obama went from -7 from before the debate, to -3 today. Tomorrow, most of the other polls will have post debate results too. Something is up on "Intrade" too. People have been dumping Romney stock all day long, and he is down almost 6%. Obama is up over 5%. Yesterday, Intrade had the election odds at 55-45 in favor of Obama. Tonight, it's 61%-39% Obama. That's a big one day increase. (for those not familiar with Intrade, you can buy or sell shares of each candidate with real money)

Edit: Holy crap. Romeny just jumped 3% and Obama fell 3% in less than 5 minutes. Today is more volatile than the Market. lol
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 01:17 AM

Where did you see the 61-39 percent in favor of Obama? The Fantasy Poll Channel?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 01:20 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Where did you see the 61-39 percent in favor of Obama? The Fantasy Poll Channel?

Intrade. I guess you don't understand how it works. As I explained, it's has nothing to do with polls.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 01:29 AM

Oh I see. It had to with stocks. Forgive me
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 01:30 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Oh I see. It had to with stocks. Forgive me

no problem. wink
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 01:33 AM

That part didn't catch my eye. Tbh I can't wait for this election to be over regardless of who I vote for.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 02:58 AM

Posted: 10/24/2012
Last Updated: 4 hours ago

Polls may show a hotly contested presidential election. But sales of Halloween masks of the candidates are already calling the race. President Obama masks have been outselling those of his Republican challenger Mitt Romney by a 60 percent to 40 percent margin, according to Spirit Halloween, the country's largest seasonal Halloween retailer.

The 1,000-store chain even has its own "presidential index," which uses nationwide sales of candidates' masks to predict the outcome of the most important U.S. election every four years.
As unscientific as the methodology may be, Spirit Halloween has accurately predicted the election winner by charting national mask sales since it started keeping track in 1996.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 03:13 AM

Okay seriously what on earth do halloween masks have to do with the election?

Now if this was an intended joke by all means I apologize but even so can we talk about the real issues at stake here?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 04:32 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Okay seriously what on earth do halloween masks have to do with the election?

Now if this was an intended joke by all means I apologize but even so can we talk about the real issues at stake here?


As a fiercely interested partisan myself, it's ok to have fun at the crazy things regarding elections like this.

Also, people love patterns.

(But GOPers, I wouldn't worry about those mask sales. I assume People figure they could go out as Romney for Halloween, just comb back your hair and spray yourself with water to give off that Albert Brooks sweaty look.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 04:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou

That was the first poll since debate #3. Obama went from -7 from before the debate, to -3 today. Tomorrow, most of the other polls will have post debate results too. Something is up on "Intrade" too. People have been dumping Romney stock all day long, and he is down almost 6%. Obama is up over 5%. Yesterday, Intrade had the election odds at 55-45 in favor of Obama. Tonight, it's 61%-39% Obama. That's a big one day increase. (for those not familiar with Intrade, you can buy or sell shares of each candidate with real money)

Edit: Holy crap. Romeny just jumped 3% and Obama fell 3% in less than 5 minutes. Today is more volatile than the Market. lol


Intrade has today proven itself irrelevant when it comes to politics.

So is there really a "Mittmentum" but in the reverse?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 05:12 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


Intrade has today proven itself irrelevant when it comes to politics.

So is there really a "Mittmentum" but in the reverse?


Personally, I.think Romney has peaked and Obama's firewall will hold. The latest Ohio poll has Obama up by 5, and Romney isn't winning without it. It probably will be a close election. Obama could even lose the popular vote, but I still see him getting 280-290 electoral votes.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 12:43 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Okay seriously what on earth do halloween masks have to do with the election?

Now if this was an intended joke by all means I apologize but even so can we talk about the real issues at stake here?


As a fiercely interested partisan myself, it's ok to have fun at the crazy things regarding elections like this.

Also, people love patterns.

(But GOPers, I wouldn't worry about those mask sales. I assume People figure they could go out as Romney for Halloween, just comb back your hair and spray yourself with water to give off that Albert Brooks sweaty look.)

Personally I'm actually bipartisan. I'm an undecided independent voter. So these kinds of tidbits mean nothing to me. I'm still trying to decide who would run our country better. It's been a difficult process
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Personally I'm actually bipartisan. I'm an undecided independent voter. So these kinds of tidbits mean nothing to me. I'm still trying to decide who would run our country better. It's been a difficult process


Well boil down 1 (maybe 2) issues that matter most for you and decide your vote from there.

If that doesn't work, consider even 3rd party. Especially if you live in a state where the outcome is pretty much certain. (I live in Tennessee, where Lucifer would get more votes than any Democratic candidate in the last 3 elections.)

I've never understood people who dismiss 3rd party votes as "throwing them away." No throwing your vote away is when you take a right not every person on Earth enjoys (a right sustained by us by generations of dead Americans) and just decide to cast it between just two candidates because we've been brainwashed and the system rigged by the two parties, even if you don't like either candidate from those parties.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 01:31 PM

Colin Powell has endorsed the President again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/colin-powell-endorses-obama_n_2011162.html
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 02:28 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Personally I'm actually bipartisan. I'm an undecided independent voter. So these kinds of tidbits mean nothing to me. I'm still trying to decide who would run our country better. It's been a difficult process


Well boil down 1 (maybe 2) issues that matter most for you and decide your vote from there.

If that doesn't work, consider even 3rd party. Especially if you live in a state where the outcome is pretty much certain. (I live in Tennessee, where Lucifer would get more votes than any Democratic candidate in the last 3 elections.)

I've never understood people who dismiss 3rd party votes as "throwing them away." No throwing your vote away is when you take a right not every person on Earth enjoys (a right sustained by us by generations of dead Americans) and just decide to cast it between just two candidates because we've been brainwashed and the system rigged by the two parties, even if you don't like either candidate from those parties.



I live in Massachusetts, where it's been blue for I don't even know how long. We have a had a history of red governors however, that includes Romney and before him Jane Swift, Paul Cellucci, and William Weld who I think was the best.
As a resident of Massachusetts I can't speak for everyone, but I was very satisfied with Romney's tenure. He was successful in a lot of issues that he tried to address. To me, President Obama has been a major disappointment. He promised a lot of things he couldn't keep. There are some things I think he did right, the auto bailout and Iraq to name them. But what scares me about him is that the debt is now 16 trillion dollars, and it's only going to increase if Obama keeps spending the way he does. And I don't believe that taxing the rich even more is the right way to do it, taxing them more doesn't even put a dent in the deficit.
To me this election is about the deficit and the economy. I don't believe that Obama has done a good job and if he was given four more years he wouldn't do squat with it either. By the same token Romney hasn't done enough to explain what he would do and hasn't earned my vote yet. Not that it matters anyway because my state is already Obama haha.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 03:14 PM

I look at it this way - the last two times I was threatened by the economy were when Republican Presidents named Bush were in office. My husband lost his job in January of 1992 and now he's the only person left in his department now, after all the people have been laid off. I've been diligently looking for work for a very long time, and haven't been offered anything of substance, mostly part-time jobs at $10 or $12 an hour, and I used to be VP of a local non-profit.

I feel that President Obama preached Hope and he has given us some. Has he delivered on all his promises? No. But I think that he was overly optimistic, and that maybe that's what it took to get elected. The trough was too deep, and I don't think any of us realized what it would take to heal us.

However, the Dow has more than doubled, unemployment is on its way down, the housing market is on its way up, and to me those are all positive signs of a recovery. I feel that to interrupt the momentum that he has built would be a huge mistake.

As a woman, I don't agree with Romney's views on abortion. Personally, I find that a big issue. I also don't like his attitude toward the "47%". How do you dismiss half the people of a country you plan to govern?

For me, those were the issues that made my choice clear. I am not affiliated with any political party either and have voted for both Republicans and Democrats in the past. The past few years, though, my choice has been made quite clear. Between W and that idiot Palin, I feel that I haven't had a good Republican candidate to vote for. I've often wished that McCain had gotten the nomination in 2000. I think we would be a very different country right now if he had.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 03:28 PM

I have to disagree with you on three points Sicilian Babe.

One: the economy has showed signs of recovery. But the unemployment rate hasn't improved enough to make people completely satisfied with Obama. Places like Virginia and Ohio have low unemployment rates, but other places like North Carolina and Michigan are still over ten percent. That's unacceptable. And the job situation doesn't mean more people have jobs, it means companies downsized and all their available positions have been filled. The debt is still at 16 trillion and we just can't afford any more big spending which is my main worry.

Two: Romney governed my state. No one gets elected in this state if they are vehemently opposed to abortion. It's not his main concern. If it was he'd be saying more about it. He has his agenda, and abortion is low on his list.

Three: The 47 percent remark I believe was misinterpreted. He acknowledges the fact that 47 percent of people will not vote for him, but he needed support from the undecided independents. It was at a fundraiser he said this, his goal was to make money. No President can take office without thinking of every single American out there. I don't think he disregards that 47 percent.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 04:56 PM

Here's his exact quote:
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

That doesn't sound to me like he thinks he simply can't get their vote. He sounds like a condescending ass, because there are plenty of people in that group that are seniors and the working poor who are trying very hard to eke out an existence. He comes across as dismissive and, quite frankly, rather cruel.

Is unemployment where it should be? No, but I also know that plenty of corporations should and could be hiring, but they are enjoying record profits by squeezing their employees for every ounce of blood they can get because they know that people are terrified of losing their jobs.

And as for abortion, Mr. Romney has endorsed Richard Murdock who has said that pregnancy from rape is something that God intended, and his VP pick Ryan cosponsored a bill with Todd Akin to redefine rape, so don't tell me he's not against it. It's perfectly fine if he is, it's his right, but that doesn't make it less of a viable issue for me.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 05:20 PM

Mr Romney did indeed endorse Murdock. Murdocks comments were unethical and flat out wrong. But Romney has also distanced himself from him knowing it will hurt him in the election. That being said he can't change the abortion law even if he wanted to, a supreme court justice has to die or retire.

As for the 47 percent remark that's open to interpretation. You may think he meant something cruel but I'm not sure that's entirely the case. People want to make him out as some sort of monster when they won't see another point of view. I am not a republican or a democrat so I try to see something from both sides and make a judgement. I personally don't think Romney meant to cast out half of America as freeloaders. It doesn't make sense. A man who's trying to be president of the united states. Romney is not perfect but I certainly don't think of him as an idiot. That's not fair to make that assessment
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Personally I'm actually bipartisan. I'm an undecided independent voter. So these kinds of tidbits mean nothing to me. I'm still trying to decide who would run our country better. It's been a difficult process


I must be missing something. You say you're undecided, but all I see are posts defending Romney, and criticizing Obama. confused
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 06:00 PM

I shook hands and spoke to the president today at a rally in Tampa. I was on the rope line. Obama sounded a little hoarse, and when I shook his hand I pointed to my throat and said, "Mr. President....be carefule about your voice." He gave me the "Obama stare" and he just said, "I know." then he moved on. Does this make me an advisor to the president?
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Personally I'm actually bipartisan. I'm an undecided independent voter. So these kinds of tidbits mean nothing to me. I'm still trying to decide who would run our country better. It's been a difficult process


I must be missing something. You say you're undecided, but all I see are posts defending Romney, and criticizing Obama. confused

The reason I defend Romney is because most on this forum seem to attack him relentlessly without seeing the other side of the issue. He governed my state well, he's intelligent and I don't see him as badly as everyone on here does.

I think Obama is intelligent and has good ideas. But this forum is way too one sided. I voted for him last election, but what he's done the past four years hasnt persuaded me to give him a second try.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 08:03 PM

123, I don't think he's an idiot, and I don't think he's bad. He's probably a decent family man. I think all of the candidates are, which is different than the past. Yes, it's fun to poke at some of his comments, but I disagree with plenty of what he's said and done, and I'm certainly entitled to my opinion.

Saying he can't change the abortion law, you're correct. However, if Mr. Romney appoints justices that oppose it, then indirectly he can. As for the 47% remark, I stand by my interpretation. He's lumped all of those below a certain income level as people who feel "entitled" and while there are certainly some people in that group who feel that way, it's disrespectful to plenty of those people.

The forum is not one sided. Everyone is entitled to speak their mind. If those who want to vote for Mr. Romney decide not to post their opinions, we can't make them.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 08:03 PM

DT, I'm jealous. Did you tell him I said hello??
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 09:02 PM

Of course Sicilian babe. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I think what's wrong in today's world of politics is that both sides think they are right and will not budge on critical issues. It's been a dead stalemate in the white house the past two years and Obama hasn't really pushed an agenda. I lost respect for him when he didn't support the Simpson-Bowles plan.

In my mind this country is most successful when both sides can come together and find common ground. Such as the Clinton years, and because he didn't lean too far left and was practical the nineties were a period of prosperity. I think Obama leans too far left and if he were reelected that's the only agenda he would push.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 09:29 PM

the main problems that i have with obama are...

#1 the national debt has increased from 10 trillion to 16 trillion since he became president, bottom line. his supporters are always all too quick to blame it all on bush. he definatly deserves some of the blame and president bush was horrible, but the fact remains that our current president spends like a drunken sailor who's mind is rotten from syphilis. justify it all you want, but the fact remains that spending more money than you take in will ultimatly result in financial disaster. i'm not a big fan of this whole "spend more money to fix a monetary problem" as it just goes against common sense imo. the biggest problem we face is not what iran is doing, but rather what these fools continue to do with our tax money and it starts and stops at the federal level point blank.

#2 signing the NDAA, mainly the provision to allow the arrest and imprisonment of american citizens without trial or access to legal concil. i don't care what crime you are accused of commiting, even the modern day terrorism "boogyman", any american should have these constitutional rights no matter what. he then first promised to veto it to kill any opposition to it, then trying to be slick he signed it on new years eve thinking that nobody was paying attention and sadly he was right for the most part. then, saying he had serious reservations about certain sections of the bill,and that he wouldn't use them but then it comes out that his administation were the ones who pushed to get the whole arrest without due process pushed through in the first place. and then to top it off when federal judge catherine forrest ruled it unconstitutional in an ongoing lawsuit, his administration counter sued to keep those povisions that he claimed to be agianst in the first place active and "legal"! makes me sick!

is romney any better? i really don't know at this point as it seems that we are on the fast track to ruin regaurdless. what a shame that ron paul wasn't the republican nominee, a damn shame!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 09:35 PM

Did anybody else laugh at Obama telling Rolling Stone that Mittens was a "bullshitter"?

I'm reminded of an aide of President Truman complaining to Mrs. Truman about him repeatedly saying "manure" and if he could tone it down.

"It took me 20 years to get him to say manure."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 10:01 PM

The President votes...and gets asked for I.D.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/49559201#49559201

I'm reminded of that anecdote about FDR voting (1940 or '42, I can't remember) at his home district Hyde Park.

Clerk: "Name?"
FDR: "The same one I used last time."
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 10:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
but the fact remains that our current president spends like a drunken sailor



Only the US Congress can appropriate federal funds.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 10:46 PM

It should be interesting to see the polls over the weekend to see if the idiotic comments made the last couple of days by Robert Mourdock, Donald Trump, Ann Coulter, and Sarah Palin, have any effect on the race.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 11:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
It should be interesting to see the polls over the weekend to see if the idiotic comments made the last couple of days by Robert Mourdock, Donald Trump, Ann Coulter, and Sarah Palin, have any effect on the race.


Man, Mourdock. That base is damn determined with their perfectly circular logical (if insane) approach that is threatening to brand the GOP the Rapist Apologist party. Anybody who subscribes to that guy and those lunatics' theology are only a few generations away from barbaric de-evolving into those wonderful nuts out in the Middle East.

Call me nuts, call me reactionary, I could very well be. But I predict knowing these genuises that within a few years they will be calling for rape laws to be rewritten, overturned if sexual assaults results in impregnation. Because if its God's will, and all life is precious, then why should rapists be punished for doing his will in creating life?

And the religious right wonders why the Gay Rights movement is succeeding.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 11:21 PM

Romney had made up a lot of ground with women in the last few weeks. Now him and his party are back to defending themselves against the "War on Women" label again.

...Not a spot they want to be in with only 12 days left.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/25/12 11:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Romney had made up a lot of ground with women in the last few weeks. Now him and his party are back to defending themselves against the "War on Women" label again.

...Not a spot they want to be in with only 12 days left.


I'm sorry but that poll I believe as much as the new AP poll claiming Obama tied him with Men.

No way.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 12:08 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Romney had made up a lot of ground with women in the last few weeks. Now him and his party are back to defending themselves against the "War on Women" label again.

...Not a spot they want to be in with only 12 days left.


I'm sorry but that poll I believe as much as the new AP poll claiming Obama tied him with Men.

No way.



lol ...I said "made up ground", not agreeing with the polls that say Obamaa is tied with men, and Romney is tied with women. wink
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 01:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
the main problems that i have with obama are...

#1 the national debt has increased from 10 trillion to 16 trillion since he became president, bottom line. his supporters are always all too quick to blame it all on bush. he definatly deserves some of the blame and president bush was horrible, but the fact remains that our current president spends like a drunken sailor who's mind is rotten from syphilis. justify it all you want, but the fact remains that spending more money than you take in will ultimatly result in financial disaster. i'm not a big fan of this whole "spend more money to fix a monetary problem" as it just goes against common sense imo. the biggest problem we face is not what iran is doing, but rather what these fools continue to do with our tax money and it starts and stops at the federal level point blank.


This right here is why I have serious reservations against president Obama. I agree five families. One of many questions I have. I want to know if Obama would cut down the debt without taxing the hell out of the top 5 percent.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 01:19 AM

Presidents do not increase or decrease the National Debt; only the US Congress can do so.

For some reason (probably ignorance) many people accrue the federal government's FY 2009 budet deficit to President Obama when, if one is going to accrue it to any President, it should be accrued to President Bush. He requested an FY 2009 budget of $3.1 trillion and estimated revenues at about $2.7 trillion. Unfortunately, only $2.1 trillion in revenue accrued.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 01:26 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Presidents do not increase or decrease the National Debt; only the US Congress can do so.

For some reason (probably ignorance) many people accrue the federal government's FY 2009 budet deficit to President Obama when, if one is going to accrue it to any President, it should be accrued to President Bush. He requested an FY 2009 budget of $3.1 trillion and estimated revenues at about $2.7 trillion. Unfortunately, only $2.1 trillion in revenue accrued.


President Bush is to blame for much of the mess we are in right now. But Obama has only made it worse in a lot of ways. Fact is the Democrats had control of congress for two years and did very little (other than the successful auto bailout). I blame congress for being stagnant and not working together to find common ground, but that fact is this is Obama's administration, he bears responsibility for passing laws and legislation that increase or decrease spending. So far, he's pushed it right to the top of the ceiling and that's something he can't do if he's elected for another four years.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 01:43 AM

Presidents have no Constitutional authority to "pass laws and legislation".
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 01:56 AM

They do however have executive authority to sign bills and pass laws. Lately President Obama hasn't had much to sign as Congress is a mess. But he can also balance a proper budget, something Clinton did in the nineties (which led to surplus).

I'm starting see Obama is no Bill Clinton, and he's certainly not John F. Kennedy. But make no mistake I'm not all for Romney I have my reservations about him.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 02:03 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
They do however have executive authority to sign bills and pass laws. Lately President Obama hasn't had much to sign as Congress is a mess. But he can also balance a proper budget, something Clinton did in the nineties (which led to surplus).

I'm starting see Obama is no Bill Clinton, and he's certainly not John F. Kennedy. But make no mistake I'm not all for Romney I have my reservations about him.


What are they teaching in schools these days? You're certainly not in my class.

Cite in the US Constitution presidential autority to "pass laws". Presidents cannot exercise their Constitutional authority to sign a bill until it is passed by Congress.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 02:13 AM

The President submits a federal budget every year. Congress hasn't approved a budget since 2009?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 02:14 AM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
I shook hands and spoke to the president today at a rally in Tampa. I was on the rope line. Obama sounded a little hoarse, and when I shook his hand I pointed to my throat and said, "Mr. President....be carefule about your voice." He gave me the "Obama stare" and he just said, "I know." then he moved on. Does this make me an advisor to the president?


DT, sorry I missed this post. I am so jealous. I would have loved to have seen the President. smile Was there a large crowd? I see his voice his pretty hoarse today. Do you have a picture to post? smile Living in a Blue state he doesn't come in my area often (L.A. maybe, but that would be a nightmare to drive to).

Only President I ever saw was when I was a kid back in 1960 when then Senator Kennedy was running for President. How exciting that was. smile I did shake Bobby Kennedy's hand as well when he was running.

TIS
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 02:17 AM

I know that. The bill has to be passed by the house and Senate before the President can sign it. If he veto's it Congress can reverse it with two thirds majority.

That's first grade man please do not patronize me. I was merely suggesing that the President has an agenda, he can put his own support behind a bill (he could've with the Simpson-Bowles idea, he did not and that was a mistake). Of course he can't sign it unless Congress does. But he can make a budget and he can support ideas. Such as cutting the deficit and cutting spending but he has not done this.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 02:19 AM

Originally Posted By: ht2
The President submits a federal budget every year. Congress hasn't approved a budget since 2009?


Correct.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 02:27 AM

Anyone want to make a prediction on the election?

I got:

Obama 275
Romney 263

EV predictions only please.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 03:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Anyone want to make a prediction on the election?

I got:

Obama 275
Romney 263

EV predictions only please.


Give me a week maybe. I want to see where some of this polling going on. I mean days ago we were writing off NC and Florida* but now polling say they're in contention again.

*=I didn't, only because its the one state where the death rate is higher than the birthrate.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 03:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Anyone want to make a prediction on the election?

I got:

Obama 275
Romney 263

EV predictions only please.


Obama 290
Romney 248
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 03:37 AM

I went to a GOP rally with 860AM and today's Obama rally. Obama seems like a human being now. He didn't until recently.

Polls in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Iowa are tightening too. If those three states are in play next week, I might change my prediction.
Posted By: southphilly old head

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 04:05 AM

Dontomasso,thats awesome! Thats something i always wanted to do since i seen a motorcade in the 70s with Nixon. I would love to one day get a chance to shake a presidents hand!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 04:07 AM

Honestly I'm having trouble believing Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are actually in play. No more than Pennsylvania was supposedly last time.

I'll tell you what surprises me. I thought Nevada would go red with the local Mormons coming out to get their boy Mittens in, but I'm...not really seeing that currently. Might or might not materialize, or maybe too many of them are registered to vote outside of the state or are they already within the GOP voting file, its not that big of an advantage? I don't know.

Whatever the math, the psychological battlefield is Ohio. I believe Mittens alone has 17 events planned there alone in the next week and half.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 05:40 AM

Pennsylvania has more NRA members than any state. That alone tells you a little something about them. When it's said and done, I bet Obama wins the state by just 2 points.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 08:50 AM

Original geschrieben von: dontomasso
I shook hands and spoke to the president today at a rally in Tampa. I was on the rope line. Obama sounded a little hoarse, and when I shook his hand I pointed to my throat and said, "Mr. President....be carefule about your voice." He gave me the "Obama stare" and he just said, "I know." then he moved on. Does this make me an advisor to the president?


I have been worried about his voice for the last two weeks or so. In 1987 the German chancellor candidate lost his voice two weeks before the election and consequently they lost the election too.
(Four years ago when Obama was in Berlin I was 2 meters close/far to him. Too far for any advise.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 01:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Pennsylvania has more NRA members than any state. That alone tells you a little something about them. When it's said and done, I bet Obama wins the state by just 2 points.


Remember Charlie Sheen? "Duh, winning!"

I mean that state has been blue since '92. It's why I'm having troubles seeing it actually turn. I'm reminded of the last national election when McCain's people continually bring up how Pennsylvania was in play. Except it wasn't really. But anyway.

Interesting note: The President is doing 10 TV interviews today, Team Mittens has ruled out doing any interviews (for now) up to election day.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 02:19 PM

For what it's worth.

Movement of Stock Market and Outcome of Presidential Elections

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...n-maybe/264117/
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
It should be interesting to see the polls over the weekend to see if the idiotic comments made the last couple of days by Robert Mourdock, Donald Trump, Ann Coulter, and Sarah Palin, have any effect on the race.


They are walking insults to the American voter. They assume we are all idiots, who are easily frightened.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Pennsylvania has more NRA members than any state. That alone tells you a little something about them. When it's said and done, I bet Obama wins the state by just 2 points.


Remember Charlie Sheen? "Duh, winning!"

I mean that state has been blue since '92. It's why I'm having troubles seeing it actually turn. I'm reminded of the last national election when McCain's people continually bring up how Pennsylvania was in play. Except it wasn't really. But anyway.

Interesting note: The President is doing 10 TV interviews today, Team Mittens has ruled out doing any interviews (for now) up to election day.


I've not seen any tv ads in PA over the past 4 weeks for either candidate. PA should give Obama a 5 point margin.

Yes, we are a big NRA state, and while I'm not a gun owner, my best friend owns and operates a gun shop. PA also has a very large number of pro-life citizens. But this has been the case for decades as many of our Democrats are pro-life, including our Dem Senator and current rep.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 05:44 PM

Ok, is this a joke? I hear Meatloaf endorsed Romney. Forget that Mitt probably never had meatloaf in his life let alone know who Meatloaf the singer is, but is this a joke. He sounds awful. confused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB9oxZzA4zg&feature=youtu.be


TIS
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 05:47 PM

He's such a big supporter of Romney that he changed his name to Mittloaf.
Posted By: Big Alex

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Is his ego that big?


To quote Trump himself "It's Huge!" lol


LMAO, that's funny. I'm still laffing. smile smile smile
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 11:30 PM

I don't know who will win the election. There are of course honorable legitimate reasons to vote for either major party candidate. But this election also shows a look into the ugly id of some people like John Sununu.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/1...bama/?mobile=nc

It is laughable that someone who was born in Cuba feels so comfortable questioning the legitimacy and patriotism of someone who was born in the US. Now Sununu is claiming that the only reason Powell endorsed Obama is that they're both black. This is ugly reptillian brain stuff. But it also shows you how Sununu thinks. The logical next question then to Sununu (and anyone who shares that thinking) is since all the past Presidents have been white was that the only reason that Sununu endorsed them? If Sununu says yes then at least he's honest. If he would say no (as I suspect he would) then of course he's saying something about how he views black people.

Then you have Trump and his obsession with President Obama's grades. "See you only got a B+ in this class so that means you're unqualified and must be impeached!!!!".

And the less said about Palin the better.
The f*****d up thing is that although the President may well lose the election and thus remove the proximate cause of this particular conservative racial primal scream, there are of course millions of people who think like Sununu, Trump and others and they remain safely ensconced in positions of authority in businesses and colleges and government offices across the US. So it goes.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 11:49 PM

Actually having read what Powell said, when he roasted Mittens over that Foreign Policy debate (where he lamely promoted that bold Kerry-esque FP policy of "Me Too!"), I wouldn't be shocked if Powell considered at one point just to stay quiet and private.

I hate Dubya, or more specfically what that administration and era did to our country. Thankfully there was China to pay for Iraq/Afghanistan and in exchange owning our debt generations down the line. Good job fiscal conservatives.

But I've always been fond of Powell, or at least times I've detected some sort of conscience, not the mindlessness that dominated that administration. In a fairer world, he should've been President and a good one at that perhaps even. But the world aint fair, and he got locked out of power and influence in the WH by Cheney and Rumsfeld.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/26/12 11:49 PM

Romney Campaign Exaggerates Size Of Nevada Event With Altered Image

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-campaign-appears-to-exaggerate-size-of-neva
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 12:01 AM

Powell probably could have become the first black President..and a Republican. Back in 1996 there were polls showing him more popular than Clinton, but his heart wasn't in it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By: ht2
Powell probably could have become the first black President..and a Republican. Back in 1996 there were polls showing him more popular than Clinton, but his heart wasn't in it.



I remember those days.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 01:03 AM

For the first time in that publication's long history, the Chicago Tribune has endorsed the Democratic candidate for President.

(Considering this was the same paper that was a mortal enemy of FDR back then, this is notable.)

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/chicago_tribune_endorses_obama.html
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 05:29 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
For the first time in that publication's long history, the Chicago Tribune has endorsed the Democratic candidate for President.

(Considering this was the same paper that was a mortal enemy of FDR back then, this is notable.)

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/chicago_tribune_endorses_obama.html



You do know that article was 2008, right? ...But they did endorse him again today. wink
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 05:34 AM

Greatest video ever. panic lol

Meat Loaf and Friends destroy America the Beautiful
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 06:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou


lol

This was way too funny. Poor Romney. lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 01:44 PM

JustLou - Yeah sorry, my mistake.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 02:10 PM

BTW, if you come across that piece floating around online around the same variation that Team Mittens is targeting Wisconsin as an alternative route to victory...I get the sense that they're bluffing, and already fearing they've lost Ohio.

Kerry in '04 unfortunately would've taken the bait. I don't think O'12 will.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 04:15 PM

Re: Meatloaf...It's absolutely dreadful. uhwhat I think he even beat Roseanne Barr (and that's pretty damn bad) Seriously, was he serious? lol


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 05:12 PM

Tweet from fivethirtyeight last night:

Quote:
The candidate we have leading in EVERY state today is the same one we had leading when we launched 538 forecast in June.


"every state" he means swing state, just FYI.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 05:16 PM

I just early voted and the place was packed.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 05:18 PM

On Lilo's note about Sununu saying Powell is only supporting his character because of race, Powell's former chief of staff Laurence Wilkerson said this:

Quote:
"My party, unfortunately, is the bastion of those people -- not all of them, but most of them -- who are still basing their positions on race. Let me just be candid: My party is full of racists, and the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants President Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander-in-chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin, and that's despicable,"


http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19229
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 05:52 PM

^^that guy is unfortunately right for the most part
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Tweet from fivethirtyeight last night:

Quote:
The candidate we have leading in EVERY state today is the same one we had leading when we launched 538 forecast in June.


"every state" he means swing state, just FYI.


Problem is, Nate The Great had Obama winning Florida and NC until just a few weeks ago, not June. So he's not being totally honest saying his EV map since June , but who remembers unless they read him daily like I do?

What I can't understand about his column is how he can still have Obama winning popular vote by 1.5% Every major poll released since the week of the first debate has Romney ahead by 3-5 points.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 06:03 PM

^^^Not true, all the major polls have them going back and forth leading the popular vote by a few points each respectively with Romney now leading the popular vote by a few points overall which doesnt matter cause we all know its the electoral votes that count.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 06:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
^^that guy is unfortunately right for the most part
gotta disagree here. do you guys really think the majority of people who want obama outta the white house want it soley because he's black? come on, thats just bullshit. are there some who feel that way, sure, but this idea that because there are a few people who feel that way that we should just lump everyone who is against him into the racist category is nonsense. regardless of you political positions, the country has enough problems right now that there are plenty of reasons to want a change in leadership. republican doesn't = racist guys, despite what msnbc might try to make you believe. if i wanna criticize the president and someone wants to play the race card because i happen to be white and a republican, then that is just as offensive imo as the small majority of people who want him out based on race alone. remember guys, don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch no matter what the issue.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
^^that guy is unfortunately right for the most part
gotta disagree here. do you guys really think the majority of people who want obama outta the white house want it soley because he's black? come on, thats just bullshit. are there some who feel that way, sure, but this idea that because there are a few people who feel that way that we should just lump everyone who is against him into the racist category is nonsense. regardless of you political positions, the country has enough problems right now that there are plenty of reasons to want a change in leadership. republican doesn't = racist guys, despite what msnbc might try to make you believe. if i wanna criticize the president and someone wants to play the race card because i happen to be white and a republican, then that is just as offensive imo as the small majority of people who want him out based on race alone. remember guys, don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch no matter what the issue.


i am saying the guy is right for the most part that a good portion of the gop is basing their vote on race, its true. Why do you think there is all this drama about Obama being a muslim (hes not), born in Kenya (he wasnt), and when you ask a good portion of that populace to list intelligent (backed by non-partisan data) reasons why they wont vote for him, they start mouthing off general stuff about obama raising small business taxes (he hasnt) to taking away gun rights (they have actually loosened) that is not true. If some people cant even name one real legitimate reason why they want to vote for romney, rather than just "i dont like obama, I hate obama, anybody but obama" then that will obviously ring some bells for people I think.

Conservative outlets even ran their own polls a few times asking the gop populace if they believed obama was a muslim (at least 30% said yes) and whether they still were doubtful about his birth certificate (about 13-15% said yes). thats a good chunk anywhere. MSNBC has nothing to do with the facts. They are one of the few who happen to call out people on all this birther/muslim crap.

Why do you think romney joked about "nobody has ever asked me for my birth certificate" cause he knows there is a good portion of the gop populace who believe in that crap and he wanted to throw them a bone and appease them even if he doesnt believe it himself. The vast majority of American are good people but racism still does exist in BOTH parties.


Overall, the survey found that by virtue of racial prejudice, Obama could lose 5 percentage points off his share of the popular vote in his Nov. 6 contest against Republican challenger Mitt Romney. But Obama also stands to benefit from a 3 percentage point gain due to pro-black sentiment, researchers said. Overall, that means an estimated net loss of 2 percentage points due to anti-black attitudes.

The poll finds that racial prejudice is not limited to one group of partisans. Although Republicans were more likely than Democrats to express racial prejudice in the questions measuring explicit racism (79 percent among Republicans compared with 32 percent among Democrats), the implicit test found little difference between the two parties. That test showed a majority of both Democrats and Republicans held anti-black feelings (55 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans), as did about half of political independents (49 percent).

http://tinyurl.com/8pzbebm
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 06:19 PM

It should also be kept in mind that racial prejudice can be a component of opposition to the President's continued incumbency while not being the primary reason.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 06:45 PM

It's not surprising people are pulling the race card to create distraction.

There are racists on both sides. The irony in this context is that Colin Powell had overwhelming GOP support for presidential run.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 06:47 PM

Originally Posted By: ht2
It's not surprising people are pulling the race card to create distraction.

There are racists on both sides. The irony in this context is that Colin Powell had overwhelming GOP support for presidential run.


Thats the shit that pisses me off, Sununu is an asshole. Apart from Condi Rice, Powell was one of the most loved Republicans from that GW Bush cabinet.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
^^^Not true, all the major polls have them going back and forth leading the popular vote by a few points each respectively with Romney now leading the popular vote by a few points overall which doesnt matter cause we all know its the electoral votes that count.


Also, In almost all polls which canvas "registered voters" instead of "likely voters", Obama is ahead. I believe there's a 7+ point difference in Gallup's 2 separate polls. Turnout will decide the election, or at least the popular vote.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 07:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Overall, the survey found that by virtue of racial prejudice, Obama could lose 5 percentage points off his share of the popular vote in his Nov. 6 contest against Republican challenger Mitt Romney. But Obama also stands to benefit from a 3 percentage point gain due to pro-black sentiment, researchers said. Overall, that means an estimated net loss of 2 percentage points due to anti-black attitudes.


And that 2 percent might just swing the election in Romney's favor. We didn't see the so called "Bradley Effect" in the 2008 election. We might see it here. If these polls are off by a few percentage points because white people being polled don't want to look like racists to the pollsters, Romney may be winning by as much as 5 percent.

Ten days to go. I can't wait until it's over.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

And that 2 percent might just swing the election in Romney's favor. We didn't see the so called "Bradley Effect" in the 2008 election. We might see it here. If these polls are off by a few percentage points because white people being polled don't want to look like racists to the pollsters, Romney may be winning by as much as 5 percent.

Ten days to go. I can't wait until it's over.


I saw on the news that a Democratic spokesman claimed that none (or most) of the polls aren't counting non-English speaking voters, and he thinks Obama is doing much better than the polls suggest. Take it from where it came from, but I also saw someone else suggest the same thing in Florida, and he believes Obama is doing much better there than the polls show.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 07:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

And that 2 percent might just swing the election in Romney's favor. We didn't see the so called "Bradley Effect" in the 2008 election. We might see it here. If these polls are off by a few percentage points because white people being polled don't want to look like racists to the pollsters, Romney may be winning by as much as 5 percent.

Ten days to go. I can't wait until it's over.


I saw on the news that a Democratic spokesman claimed that none (or most) of the polls aren't counting non-English speaking voters, and he thinks Obama is doing much better than the polls suggest. Take it from where it came from, but I also saw someone else suggest the same thing in Florida, and he believes Obama is doing much better there than the polls show.

Yeah, could go either way. So who knows?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 07:31 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

Yeah, could go either way. So who knows?

Yup. Nobody knows. If females and minorities turn out in huge numbers, Obama could still win big. If they stay home, Romney can win. With early voting at a record pace though, that's a big plus for Obama.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 08:05 PM

Sad and scary that politicians have to rely on identity politics, instead of the issues to win.

Both sides are guilty.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 08:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Both sides are guilty.

Amen to that, Vinny. After this election, I'm officially an Independent. Fuck both parties and their groupies.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Amen to that, Vinny. After this election, I'm officially an Independent. Fuck both parties and their groupies.
you fine sir are one of the reasons that i haven't lost hope yet for the "older" generations!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Amen to that, Vinny. After this election, I'm officially an Independent. Fuck both parties and their groupies.
you fine sir are one of the reasons that i haven't lost hope yet for the "older" generations!

Right back at ya, kid grin.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 09:33 PM

I am tired of all this campaigning and political bickering between both parties (surprising since I am a political junkie),I cant wait till this shit is over, time to get down to business and rebuild this country.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 10:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I am tired of all this campaigning and political bickering between both parties (surprising since I am a political junkie),I cant wait till this shit is over, time to get down to business and rebuild this country.


You'd love it down here. I get junk mail from both candidates every single day. If it's not a letter from the campaign itself, it's one of their super pac groups. Obama was near my house on Thursday. Romney is all over the state today.

But Florida looks to be going Romney. If Obama does not come back here to Tampa or nearby Orlando soon, it means he gave up on this state.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 10:47 PM

Oct. 26: State Poll Averages Usually Call Election Right

http://t.co/hZMMgK2k
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 10:55 PM

Nate The Great is not a very impartial source for election coverage. He's as left-wing as Hannity is right-wing.

Obama is in New Hampshire today. Why? That state should be locked up. Biden in Wisconsin? Obama won that state by more than 10 points in 2008. Iowa is another state Obama is fiercely defending.

I think you really have to look at where the candidates go in the next week to get a feel for where they think the state can go either way.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 11:05 PM

I seen on the local news yesterday that Biden & Romney cancelled the trip here cuz of Sandy.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 11:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I am tired of all this campaigning and political bickering between both parties (surprising since I am a political junkie),I cant wait till this shit is over, time to get down to business and rebuild this country.


You'd love it down here. I get junk mail from both candidates every single day. If it's not a letter from the campaign itself, it's one of their super pac groups. Obama was near my house on Thursday. Romney is all over the state today.

But Florida looks to be going Romney. If Obama does not come back here to Tampa or nearby Orlando soon, it means he gave up on this state.


I wouldnt even open the junk mail,I would trash it immediately.

Obama is in Florida tomorrow.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/27/12 11:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Nate The Great is not a very impartial source for election coverage. He's as left-wing as Hannity is right-wing.


The difference (well one of them) is Nate's actually good at his job. I'm sorry you don't like that his numbers aren't going your way. God knows I'm certain if they were, you wouldn't shy from trumping them up without any sense of irony.

Was it you who was complaining a long time ago about some Al Sharpton radio show the rest of us had good sense to not bother listening to?

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Obama is in New Hampshire today. Why? That state should be locked up. Biden in Wisconsin? Obama won that state by more than 10 points in 2008. Iowa is another state Obama is fiercely defending.


Make Mittens spend time/money outside of Ohio and Florida? As I said before, Ohio is the psychological battleground. If Mittens more or less admit he can't win and pool that cash elsewhere, that'll really demoralize his people. He won't, but it might cost him resources elsewhere.

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

I think you really have to look at where the candidates go in the next week to get a feel for where they think the state can go either way.


Remember in '04 shortly before the election when Cheney went to Hawaii, a state Dubya had no chance of winning?

Some of what you're saying is legitimate, but we must remember both sides try to deploy head games against each other. Besides it's Biden. I'm sure if he stayed in Florida for too long, Big O would lose any chance of winning it. He's alot like Larry the CAble Guy: A little bit goes a long way.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/28/12 02:06 AM

Nate has been around one election cycle. 2008. He is a solidly blue and Breitbart was red. So you always have to consider that when reading his NY Times column.

I said Obama 275 Romney 263 and will stick to it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/28/12 04:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Nate has been around one election cycle. 2008. He is a solidly blue and Breitbart was red. So you always have to consider that when reading his NY Times column.

I said Obama 275 Romney 263 and will stick to it.


It's one thing to be biased (we all are despite kidding ourselves otherwise), its another if said bias taints your overall work like a dirty diaper left in your house. I always liked George Will for example because even with his open bias, he's not a hack. He has good points, he's intelligent, and he doesn't insult mine when I read him.

Silver to me has always came off solid with his methodology. One must remember his "75% chance of winning" or whatever is based off his simulations where in say 75% of them, they came out as such. He really is one of those baseball stat nerds who came upon a career goldmine for himself with political polls. Good for him. I've never once found such a "dirty diaper" with his work. So far at least. I can't compare him at all with Breibart.

I'm reminded in contrast with Dick Morris, who really I quit listening to in general after the last election when he kept insisting that Tennessee was leaning Obama. (If he meant leaning like being behind by 10-15 points, then yeah it would be "leaning" towards him. LOL)

Remember that book Morris wrote that the 2008 election was going to be between Hillary Clinton and Condi Rice?

Speaking of the NYT, I'm still trying to figure out why my liberal friends think them endorsing Obama actually matters. (Now a New York Post endorsement? Wouldn't matter either, but dammit but it would be entertaining.)
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/28/12 04:38 PM

If Nate Silver makes accurate predictions on 11/5 I'll take him seriously. For now, he's just another pundit who has made predictions in only one Presidential election, 2008. He still needs a few more under his belt IMO.

Just read that Biden is going to PA on 11/1. Location TBD. I have no idea why Biden is going to PA just six days before the election, in a state that should be solid blue.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/28/12 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Remember that book Morris wrote that the 2008 election was going to be between Hillary Clinton and Condi Rice?



Morris is an embittered ex-staffer who is usually wrong. What's worse is that he doesn't acknowledge that he's wrong.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/28/12 06:18 PM

Fact is no matter what people say on the left and right this is going to be a close election. Obama won't run away with this but I'm certainly not calling a Romney victory. It's all about who shows up to the polls on the sixth
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/28/12 09:59 PM

Funny that such an evil socialist is calling for even lower corporate tax rates. (At they historically low already?)

Obama Has Released A 27-Point Plan For His Second Term, And It's A Doozy

http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-pl...288381481237582

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Just read that Biden is going to PA on 11/1. Location TBD. I have no idea why Biden is going to PA just six days before the election, in a state that should be solid blue.


"Joe, go home."

"Yes sir!"
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/28/12 11:39 PM

I will say Obama has laid out more specifics than Romney. But four years ago he promised this and we are still in a bad position. Plus you could point out flaws in his plan. Anyone can twist anything to make it sound good, Obamas been doing that for years. whether or not he can make it a reality is another thing.

Btw Ronnie, you're a good man and intelligent poster but you gotta stop with the "mittens" thing. It's funny once, but when you do it over and over again it really doesn't tickle the gut. Calling him Romney would do fine
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 04:29 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I will say Obama has laid out more specifics than Romney. But four years ago he promised this and we are still in a bad position. Plus you could point out flaws in his plan. Anyone can twist anything to make it sound good, Obamas been doing that for years. whether or not he can make it a reality is another thing.


I find it interesting that for all the things going against him, Dubya won in '04. Why? Probably because among other things, people perceived that he had some sort of plan (flawed as it might be), Kerry's was simply "I'm not him!" Will history repeat itself?

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo


Btw Ronnie, you're a good man and intelligent poster but you gotta stop with the "mittens" thing. It's funny once, but when you do it over and over again it really doesn't tickle the gut. Calling him Romney would do fine


No.

If I do that, then I'll have to do the same with every other politician. You think me and Pizzaboy want to quit calling Clinton "Bubba"? Nah.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 04:30 AM

BTW since I'm pretty cynical, how long before Team Romney (just this once Joe) calls the WH response to the Frakenstorm Sandy inadequate?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 04:40 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
BTW since I'm pretty cynical, how long before Team Romney (just this once Joe) calls the WH response to the Frakenstorm Sandy inadequate?


How long before the mainstream media praise Obama for his great response to the storm? They're probably working on it already.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 04:43 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I will say Obama has laid out more specifics than Romney. But four years ago he promised this and we are still in a bad position. Plus you could point out flaws in his plan. Anyone can twist anything to make it sound good, Obamas been doing that for years. whether or not he can make it a reality is another thing.


I find it interesting that for all the things going against him, Dubya won in '04. Why? Probably because among other things, people perceived that he had some sort of plan (flawed as it might be), Kerry's was simply "I'm not him!" Will history repeat itself?

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo


Btw Ronnie, you're a good man and intelligent poster but you gotta stop with the "mittens" thing. It's funny once, but when you do it over and over again it really doesn't tickle the gut. Calling him Romney would do fine


No.

If I do that, then I'll have to do the same with every other politician. You think me and Pizzaboy want to quit calling Clinton "Bubba"? Nah.


I think it's easy for a man who's been in office for four years to have some sort of plan as opposed to the guy who's running against him, but we will see. I still haven't really decided yet. I want to believe Obama but after what's happened so far that's hard for me. Same goes for 'Mittens' as you call him. grin

And very good point on Clinton hahaha. But Bubba sounds funnier than 'Mittens' (to me anyway) lol
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 09:09 AM

Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 10:38 AM

Obama has to be extremely careful the next few day during his speeches. He's gonna need to tone down the attacks and sarcastic comments towards Romney, when the east coats is getting pounded with a hurricane. He could turn off a lot of people if he doesn't.
Same goes for Romney too.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 03:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
BTW since I'm pretty cynical, how long before Team Romney (just this once Joe) calls the WH response to the Frakenstorm Sandy inadequate?


How long before the mainstream media praise Obama for his great response to the storm? They're probably working on it already.



Well, Obama is smart he's not going to pull a GW Bush with Hurricane Katrina.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 07:51 PM

Will this storm decide the outcome of the election?

Obama was supposed to be in Florida, a state that seems to go for Romney, with his most valuable asset Bill Clinton. Romney, on the other hand, did go to Ohio, a state he needs in order to win the election.

Doesn't look good for Obama.

Agree/disagree?
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Will this storm decide the outcome of the election?

Obama was supposed to be in Florida, a state that seems to go for Romney, with his most valuable asset Bill Clinton. Romney, on the other hand, did go to Ohio, a state he needs in order to win the election.

Doesn't look good for Obama.

Agree/disagree?


Too early to tell. The American people could view the even handed leadership the President might exhibit during the crisis as positive and that will translate into more support at the polls. I think Romney needs to be careful if he decides to criticize the handling of the crisis by the President if it isn't really warranted, he could face backlash.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 08:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Will this storm decide the outcome of the election?

Obama was supposed to be in Florida, a state that seems to go for Romney, with his most valuable asset Bill Clinton. Romney, on the other hand, did go to Ohio, a state he needs in order to win the election.

Doesn't look good for Obama.

Agree/disagree?


No, the storm won't determine anything. Especially since it's hitting mostly blue states that are going to go for Obama anyway.

Obama is in big trouble. I think he'll barely hold on to Ohio, because of the strong union presence there, and win it all. Either way, a victory won't be good enough. We'll hear for years how racism nearly cost him the election and how divided this country is.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 08:13 PM

The President has shown how capable he is during times of crisis. He has nothing to prove in that regard.
Posted By: ht2

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 08:30 PM

In NY and NJ, notice that orders of evacuation are coming from the Governors and local mayors, not the President. Governors are also the ones calling on National Guard for assistance.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 09:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
No, the storm won't determine anything. Especially since it's hitting mostly blue states that are going to go for Obama anyway.


So you agree with me that Romney could benefit from the storm?

Like I said, Obama had to cancel a crucial meeting in Florida in an effort to get more votes. Romney on the other hand didn't need to cancel his meeting in Ohio, which is of even more importance.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 10:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
No, the storm won't determine anything. Especially since it's hitting mostly blue states that are going to go for Obama anyway.


So you agree with me that Romney could benefit from the storm?

Like I said, Obama had to cancel a crucial meeting in Florida in an effort to get more votes. Romney on the other hand didn't need to cancel his meeting in Ohio, which is of even more importance.


The meeting in Orlando? I guess. Not sure it matters at this point. Rally and meeting still took place with Clinton AFAIK.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 10:15 PM

Unless I misunderstood, Mittens cancelled his events today too after the President cancelled that Florida event.

It might hurt Willard more in that the news is about this super storm, not the election. That is a day, maybe two at the least lost National TV coverage for him. Who'll be on TV alot? The President, a perk of incumbency. (Think of people's paternal reactions to national emergencies.) After Katrina, no President or national candidate ever wants to be accused of not doing enough or be seen as not being actively involved enough with any hurricane or such disasters. And Willard can't really complain otherwise he'll be criticized for politicizing a natural disaster. It's a media narrative neither side can dictate or control.

This can't be side about their proxys. Like this religious yahoo from the right-wing:

Sandy is God punishing America

http://defendproclaimthefaith.org/blog/?p=2984
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 10:33 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Unless I misunderstood, Mittens cancelled his events today too after the President cancelled that Florida event.

It might hurt Willard more in that the news is about this super storm, not the election. That is a day, maybe two at the least lost National TV coverage for him. Who'll be on TV alot? The President, a perk of incumbency. (Think of people's paternal reactions to national emergencies.) After Katrina, no President or national candidate ever wants to be accused of not doing enough or be seen as not being actively involved enough with any hurricane or such disasters. And Willard can't really complain otherwise he'll be criticized for politicizing a natural disaster. It's a media narrative neither side can dictate or control.

This can't be side about their proxys. Like this religious yahoo from the right-wing:

Sandy is God punishing America

http://defendproclaimthefaith.org/blog/?p=2984


Whenever there's a flood or something in the UK one of our crazy Archbishops come out and say it's Gods punishment for homosexuality . Let's hope the Westboro Baptist Church get caught in the storm tongue
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 10:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Camarel


Whenever there's a flood or something in the UK one of our crazy Archbishops come out and say it's Gods punishment for homosexuality . Let's hope the Westboro Baptist Church get caught in the storm tongue


God would get my fat ass back in church if he threw a lightning bolt at every single asshole on the planet who do bad things in his name.

(Interestingly that same whacko's piece, he complained about the storm's path going through his home which might break up his Bible study group.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 11:12 PM

Chris Cristie commended the President's handling of the crisis on twitter.

I know its my fault for bringing up Sandy in this thread, even if I was just being in the cynical mood last night. I'll quit merging the two together because it's in bad taste considering the grim early reports we're getting. Elections come and go, lives don't.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 11:35 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Unless I misunderstood, Mittens cancelled his events today too after the President cancelled that Florida event.

It might hurt Willard more in that the news is about this super storm, not the election. That is a day, maybe two at the least lost National TV coverage for him. Who'll be on TV alot? The President, a perk of incumbency. (Think of people's paternal reactions to national emergencies.) After Katrina, no President or national candidate ever wants to be accused of not doing enough or be seen as not being actively involved enough with any hurricane or such disasters. And Willard can't really complain otherwise he'll be criticized for politicizing a natural disaster. It's a media narrative neither side can dictate or control.

This can't be side about their proxys. Like this religious yahoo from the right-wing:

Sandy is God punishing America

http://defendproclaimthefaith.org/blog/?p=2984


Christ I hate these religious nuts. Ah well, you had to figure it was bound to happen. "God will punish the Northeastern states for allowing homosexuality" Tickles my funny bone actually lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/29/12 11:58 PM

If Romney Loses, it will be Scalia's Fault

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...ush_v_gore.html
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
No, the storm won't determine anything. Especially since it's hitting mostly blue states that are going to go for Obama anyway.


So you agree with me that Romney could benefit from the storm?



I totally disagree. These campaign trips mean very little at this point. On the other hand, President Obama gets to go on TV from the White House showing what a President does during a crisis. If anything, I expect Obama to get a boost in his approval rating, especially after the glowing review Governor Christie gave him this afternoon.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 12:57 AM


".........Save Barack Obama"? Now he needs to be saved? Nate Silver says he has 73.6% chance of winning.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 02:36 AM

Honestly this storm has nothing to do with the election. It has nothing to do with Obama or Romney, and the states it's hitting are in Obama's pocket anyway.

People have made up their minds at this point. It's all about who shows up on voting day.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
"God will punish the Northeastern states for allowing homosexuality"


Actually, God meant to punish just Chris Christie. However he confused him with the Northeastern states.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 03:33 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Honestly this storm has nothing to do with the election. It has nothing to do with Obama or Romney, and the states it's hitting are in Obama's pocket anyway.

People have made up their minds at this point. It's all about who shows up on voting day.


It has taken the election completely out of the media and could all the way until the end of the week, maybe until election day.

I think Obama wants to lose. He can move somewhere, and make tens-of-millions writing books and making personal appearances.

Also look for us to strike Libya by Sunday. Just a guess.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 04:03 AM

Wow. This could be a close, but divisive election.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...-to-lean-obama/
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 04:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Wow. This could be a close, but divisive election.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...-to-lean-obama/



I'm not from the US so have no idea if ABC is biased but if that's true it's terrible news for Obama considering how liberal Pennsylvania is supposed to be .
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 04:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Camarel
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Wow. This could be a close, but divisive election.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...-to-lean-obama/



I'm not from the US so have no idea if ABC is biased but if that's true it's terrible news for Obama considering how liberal Pennsylvania is supposed to be .


There is difference between voting Democrat and being Liberal. PA is very conservative in lifestyle and lots of NRA members.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 04:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Camarel
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Wow. This could be a close, but divisive election.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...-to-lean-obama/



I'm not from the US so have no idea if ABC is biased but if that's true it's terrible news for Obama considering how liberal Pennsylvania is supposed to be .


There is difference between voting Democrat and being Liberal. PA is very conservative in lifestyle and lots of NRA members.



Fair enough i should've said Democrat saying that i may even be wrong though
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 05:54 AM

PA is very "southern" when you go between Philly and Pittsburgh. Literally. Lots of pickup trucks and country music fans. Guns. Jesus. People actually have a southern accent in those parts.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 01:41 PM

I know I said I would quit, but can the local factbusters verify whether its true Romney only called the GOP Governors affected by Sandy?

With this reality we live in, I can't tell what's obviously false or true anymore.

EDIT - one right-wing tweet conspiracy I'm reading this morning is Christie is trying to sabotage Romney so this would open up a '16 bid for himself.

Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 03:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Wow. This could be a close, but divisive election.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...-to-lean-obama/


Disagree with some of that chart by abc news. Florida and Colorado are definitely Romney at this point. But it's true at this point everything else is a toss up
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Unless I misunderstood, Mittens cancelled his events today too after the President cancelled that Florida event.

It might hurt Willard more in that the news is about this super storm, not the election. That is a day, maybe two at the least lost National TV coverage for him. Who'll be on TV alot? The President, a perk of incumbency. (Think of people's paternal reactions to national emergencies.) After Katrina, no President or national candidate ever wants to be accused of not doing enough or be seen as not being actively involved enough with any hurricane or such disasters. And Willard can't really complain otherwise he'll be criticized for politicizing a natural disaster. It's a media narrative neither side can dictate or control.

This can't be side about their proxys. Like this religious yahoo from the right-wing:

Sandy is God punishing America

http://defendproclaimthefaith.org/blog/?p=2984


Christ I hate these religious nuts. Ah well, you had to figure it was bound to happen. "God will punish the Northeastern states for allowing homosexuality" Tickles my funny bone actually lol


Tell me about it. These guys need to keep their religious beliefs out of politics and leave what God wanted or didn't want out of it.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I know I said I would quit, but can the local factbusters verify whether its true Romney only called the GOP Governors affected by Sandy?

With this reality we live in, I can't tell what's obviously false or true anymore.

EDIT - one right-wing tweet conspiracy I'm reading this morning is Christie is trying to sabotage Romney so this would open up a '16 bid for himself.



Confirmed, I just saw on Fox and MSNBC that Romney only called Republican Governors yesterday. While Obama called ALL affected states (regardless of party) including Republican Party Convention's keynote speaker from NJ Chris Christie THREE times yesterday even waking him up from sleep.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 06:45 PM

Although I usually think of Governor Christie as an arrogant blowhard, his handling of the crisis has been exemplary, and his praise of President Obama was surprisingly gracious.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 06:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Although I usually think of Governor Christie as an arrogant blowhard, his handling of the crisis has been exemplary, and his praise of President Obama was surprisingly gracious.


Hey SB, you're back!! clap All is ok? I take it you have power back?

Yes, I can't stand Christie's know-it-all attitude and his very very rude behavior at times, BUT I do give him credit for, at least now, putting politics aside and give credit where credit is do. I hear he and the mayor (NJ Mayor maybe?) are having issues??

TIS
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Wow. This could be a close, but divisive election.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...-to-lean-obama/


Disagree with some of that chart by abc news. Florida and Colorado are definitely Romney at this point. But it's true at this point everything else is a toss up


If Obama could not hold on to this state, Florida, which has a huge minority population, plus all the NY types who relocated, I think he's in big trouble in Ohio, PA, Iowa and other states.

Just a guess.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 08:14 PM

No Vinny, FLorida is a weird state. All the NY people are in Dade and Broward counties in the Southeast, and they will vote Obama by more than 55%. In the midddle is the I-4 corridor, which stretches from Daytona through Orlando to Tampa Bay. There are midwest transplants, people in NASA, toursim and others in Orlando, ditto Tampa Bay. This could go either way and usually does. Obama carried it last time this time he trails here. North of I-4 corridor, it might as well be Alabama.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 09:01 PM

At the least Romney has a small lead in Florida. Obama needs to focus on Pennsylvania (a state that's become tighter) and the Midwest (also very tight)
Posted By: Mist

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 09:13 PM

To all: In my opinion, Christie, despite how some may feel about him, is restoring NJ economically just like Romeny will help the US economically if he is elected. If Obama is re-elected, this country will be in rapid decline. He is a Socialist. Period. Please be advised. We're in the middle of a very critical election.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 10:40 PM

I disagree. I believe that Romney's ideas will destroy the progress we've made so far.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 10:43 PM

http://mlkshk.com/r/KREE

Hey remember in the GOP debates when Romney wanted to privatize FEMA?

Oh yeah FEMA spending was "immoral," that victims in Tennessee, Mississippi, and Louisiana should've have received government assistance. "It makes no sense!"

You all don't think he'll be hammered with this by the weekend, at the latest next monday? (This buttered with Christie publicly trying to decapitate Willard's dreams.)
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 10:46 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


In regards to that: Did you see the clips of reporters asking Mitt over and over again about Fema and if he'd get rid of it. The guy totally ignores them and keeps right on walking. confused

Mitt's all about pleasing the crowd he happens to be with at the time.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 10:50 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

In regards to that: Did you see the clips of reporters asking Mitt over and over again about Fema and if he'd get rid of it. The guy totally ignores them and keeps right on walking. confused

Mitt's all about pleasing the crowd he happens to be with at the time.


TIS


Instead of doing a campaign rally disguised as a charity event (with banners and press passes still calling this a "Victory Rally"), why didn't he just stay home for one day and I dunno, donate a million bucks to the Red Cross? And what do you know, he's back out campaigning tomorrow in Florida. (Huh, I thuoght he had that state won. What gives Skinny?)

Ah, Skinny will defend Willard, including not even calling the Democratic Governors of the states going through this mess and how FEMA really is getting in the way of recovery. And that Cristie is evil or something. Whatever his sources will tell him tonight, tomorrow.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 11:09 PM

Michael "Brownie" Brown is the one person Willard doesn't want publicly criticizing another President on how to respond to a Hurricane. What's next, Jerry Sandusky attacking a youth athletics program?

You're not doing a heck of a job, Brownie.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 11:14 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Michael "Brownie" Brown is the one person Willard doesn't want publicly criticizing another President on how to respond to a Hurricane. What's next, Jerry Sandusky attacking a youth athletics program?

You're not doing a heck of a job, Brownie.



Did I hear Mr. "heck of a job Brownie" criticized the President for acting too swiftly? confused


TIS
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/30/12 11:29 PM

Why all the hate on Romney? Seriously guys what the hell does Romney have to do except not say something stupid (which he has), help the victims (which he has), and try to win an election. He's the challenger, not the commander in chief, so there isn't a whole lot he can do.

If this was the other way around, you all would be saying nothing against our President.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 12:27 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

In regards to that: Did you see the clips of reporters asking Mitt over and over again about Fema and if he'd get rid of it. The guy totally ignores them and keeps right on walking. confused

Mitt's all about pleasing the crowd he happens to be with at the time.


TIS


Instead of doing a campaign rally disguised as a charity event (with banners and press passes still calling this a "Victory Rally"), why didn't he just stay home for one day and I dunno, donate a million bucks to the Red Cross? And what do you know, he's back out campaigning tomorrow in Florida. (Huh, I thuoght he had that state won. What gives Skinny?)

Ah, Skinny will defend Willard, including not even calling the Democratic Governors of the states going through this mess and how FEMA really is getting in the way of recovery. And that Cristie is evil or something. Whatever his sources will tell him tonight, tomorrow.


LOL Ronnie.

Is saying "Willard" supposed to by like saying "Barack Hussein Obama"?

I'm watching the election like everyone else Ronnie. Not really defending or criticizing anyone right now. Thanks.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 12:28 AM

Chrysler CEO calls out Romney over 'inaccurate' Jeep ads

http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...e-jeep-ads?lite
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 02:06 AM

Personally, my dislike for Romney is on a number of levels. I don't like his stance on women's rights. I don't like his disregard for 47% of this country. I don't like his voucher system for Medicare.

Most of all, most of all, I dislike the fact that he not only twists the truth, his campaign has told outright lies. This from a man who purports to be a good Christian, but obviously not one above that whole bearing false witness thing.

If you don't support President Obama's reelection because you disagree with his policies, that's your right. However, when you resort to making up stories, then that's just outright disgusting.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 02:22 AM

Why do I support Obama?

The economy is getting better, definately better than it was 4 years ago. I know people live and day by quarterlies but looking long term, the big picture, we're coming back. To argue otherwise, well an Ostrich with his head in the sand comes to mind. (And before one of the locals bring up high unemployment in several states, hey guess what? There was high unemployment in several areas during Reagan's economic recovery. I know that's a fact usually glossed over on Fox News, but it's worth noting.)

After the Dubya administration's wreckless warefare which got us bogged down in quagmire and fucked us in the deficit, our foreign policy is more cautious. Not wimpish, but we're trying to give diplomacy a chance. Even as much as me and IvyLeague disagreed on how to deal with Iran, we both agreed in willingly support finding a diplomatic solution to that mess before even going half-cocked with a military answer. Dear lord even Willard in his last debate more or less endorsed Obama's foreign policy.

(Of course there is contradictions. With Libya, we got involved with the NATO bombing but in Syria, we backed off. Two different situations, and God knows I could easily see us get bogged down in Syria, a nightmare that didn't have levels of International support like the mission in Libya did. We might've easily got stuck in another Iraq. Or maybe not? Who knows.)

Oh and Bin Laden is fish food. Let's not forget that. Remember when we as a nation gave up ever hoping to get that mother fucker to pay for his crimes?

With Marriage Equality, he has aligned the Democractic Party to support Gay Rights fully and not half-hearted half-measured (like under Clinton) for the future, regardless of how this election turns out. With the religious right wing and their increasingly eroading Moral Authority ruled by ignorance and prejudice, on that issue they don't stand for American values of merit, justice, and equality.

(Consider the dog fight they put up against repealing DADT, a measure that enjoyed over 75% of the American public's support. To them it was like doomsday or something, and a year later with gay troops openly serving and kicking ass...their dire prophecies of sexual oriented integration has been proven false and worthy of ridicule. Then again what you expect from yahoos who's spokeswoman for Abstinence is Bristol Palin?)
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 02:33 AM

You see this is what I'm arguing against and what I hate coming from Democrats and Republicans alike.

Sicilian Babe- When has Romney outright lied? And if he has, Obama has certainly done the same thing. It's called propaganda. Everyone is guilty of it. Could you please state these lies?

Secondly on his regard to women's rights, Romney probably has his own stance on abortion, but if you are worried by his previous statements, he was simply toting the party line to win a Republican primary. We are seeing a more moderate person now who is focusing more on the economy and the deficit than social issues, that in the long scheme of things don't matter.

Thirdly you can make an argument that medicare needs to be reformed. That's something Republicans got right. How to reform it is another issue. But what you are seeing in Romney I don't see. I think that many posters on this board are just trying to find things to reaffirm what they think is true and ignoring completely what doesn't. That is what I call wrong.

You have every right to believe what you believe. You can disagree with Romney because of his policies. But calling him a liar is not a fact, it's what you want to believe. Any right wing nutjob could make the same statements about President Obama.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 02:51 AM

123, and this is what I can't stand - the refusal to listen to others. Romney has certainly made his feelings clear:
"I think I've said time and again, I'm a pro-life candidate," he told reporters at a campaign stop in Ohio according to a pool report. "I'll be a pro-life president. The actions I'll take immediately are to remove funding for Planned Parenthood. It will not be part of my budget."

Planned Parenthood performs a number of valuable services for the poor such as pap smears, breast exams, they pay for mammographies, they provide birth control counseling (their name is PLANNED Parenthood), and tons of other important health services. However, they have become the face of abortion in this country, and that's just plain silly since it's a very small percentage of what they do. Denying them funding would deny millions of women cancer screenings that are vital to their health and that they couldn't otherwise afford.

However, you somehow believe that Mr. Romney is just playing with this idea when he has outright stated that he thinks one way and only one way. Also, he has surrounded himself with some of the most deplorable people on this front.

Perhaps medicare needs reform, but IMO vouchers are not the answer and that's another of the reasons that I disagree with him as a candidate.

Lies? The entire Republican party and their candidate have pushed them. Can I enumerate them? Yes, I can. Will I? No, because I think that no matter what I say, you have a mindset and I think you won't listen.

Go on any fact checker website, and you can see all of the lies that the Republican campaign has perpetuated.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
"God will punish the Northeastern states for allowing homosexuality"


Actually, God meant to punish just Chris Christie. However he confused him with the Northeastern states.

lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 03:01 AM

I'll say this that in spite of us locals ridiculing him and his weight over the years, Christie in the last few days has won himself a 2nd term as Governor and may very well have planted seeds for a national run in '16 with the impression he's made for himself.

And that's what the right wingers don't get. The more they bash him and cry conspiracy and potentially pre-emptively blame him if they lose the election, the more he looks good.

Dowd wrote a NYT piece abou this.

The 'I' of the Storm

Quote:
“Fox & Friends” co-host Steve Doocy must have forgotten Christie’s self-regarding keynote speech at Romney’s convention, which had more “I” than “he” in it. Doocy asked Christie if there was “any possibility that Governor Romney may go to New Jersey to tour some of the damage with you?” The governor replied dismissively: “I have no idea, nor am I the least bit concerned or interested,” adding: “If you think right now I give a damn about presidential politics, then you don’t know me.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/31/opinio...d=auto&_r=0
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 03:04 AM

Unlike most in this country, I will listen. If you state specifically what Romney and his campaign have lied about I will only be too happy to hear you out.

But first I would like to point out the following things: Romney cannot change any abortion law within this country, something Democrats do not understand at times. The only way he could is by appointing a new justice if one dies or retires. who knows what will happen, but for now, that is safe.

Another thing, Romney has stated he would cut planned parenthood. But heres my opinion: I am pro-choice. I believe women have the right to abortion and other medical care concerning them. But we are 16 trillion dollars in debt. In this time, some things will have to be sacrificed. It doesn't mean Mr. Romney is against women in any way shape or form. It means he has the mindset to cut programs that we can't afford at this point.

I would also like to know which of these "deplorable" people Romney has surrounded himself. Again Sicilian Babe, I do not disregard your opinion, but you are holding yourself up to think what you believe to be true is "right" and that is the only way to see our country and what we need to do about our problems.

I am not Republican or Democrat. I have my stance on certain issues, but I also have an open mind. I guarantee that SB.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 03:45 AM

I'm not surprised to read about Obama losing the white vote.

His mistakes go back to day one, when charges were dropped against the Black Panthers standing outside the polling location in Philly.

His role in The Beer Summit with the cop and professor in Massachusetts.

Exploiting the Treyvon Martin shooting to say, "If I had a son he'd look like Treyvon".

Appointing two liberal justices to the Supreme Court who sided against the New Haven Firefighters. Blue collar civil service white men aren't particularly happy about what those men went through for a promotion they clearly deserved, but were denied for being white.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 03:46 AM

Thankfully we have Skinny to keep things honest as our White Avenger.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 03:56 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Thankfully we have Skinny to keep things honest as our White Avenger.


How old are you Ronnie?

Did I say something that does not make sense in explaining why Obama's numbers have dropped with white voters?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 04:32 AM

I have stated specifics, a few pages back. Governor Romney endorsed Murdock, and his VP pick Ryan cosponsored a bill with Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin called the "Sanctity of Life Act". Those are the people he has surrounded himself with, just to name a few.

As for Planned Parenthood, we can't afford NOT to fund them. 16% of their services are cancer screenings, 35% are birth control counseling and 35% is testing and treatment for STIs. Can you imagine the long term care bills we would be stuck with if someone wasn't providing these services? By the way, less than 1/3 of their funding is federal, and that includes dollars that are from Medicaid, which is a blend of state and federal funds.

Oh, and thanks for letting me know that a President can't change an abortion law because, you know, I didn't go to like 8th grade. Yes, a president can only appoint justices whose leanings might overturn Roe v. Wade at some time. However, if it's such a remote possibility, then why is it a political issue for a presidential candidate at all?

And, by the way, I'm not a Democrat. When I registered to vote, I decided not to register with a party. I have voted for Republicans, I have voted for Democrats. I even voted for Ross Perot back in the day.

You want some specifics on lies? We could start with the very recent Romney Jeep ad that was personally repudiated by the Chrysler CEO, and go from there.

Romney lied when he stated that our “Navy is smaller now than any time since 1917.” Actually, there are slightly more ships active now than at the low point under President George W. Bush.

Romney repeatedly claimed that the president undertook “an apology tour … criticizing America” after Obama became president. Obama called that “probably the biggest whopper that’s been told” during the entire campaign. Every analysis has found no shred of an apology.

Romney claims the federal debt to “other people” is $16 trillion, which isn’t correct. The debt owed to the public is $11 trillion, and that figure includes money the government owes to itself.

Accused President Obama’s health care law of funneling money away from Medicare “at the expense of the elderly.” In fact, Medicare’s chief actuary says the law “substantially improves” the system’s finances, and Ryan himself has embraced the same savings.

Claimed the American people were “cut out” of stimulus spending. Actually, more than a quarter of all stimulus dollars went for tax relief for workers.

Faulted Obama for failing to deliver a 2008 campaign promise to keep a Wisconsin plant open. It closed before Obama took office.

And, as for Republicans and their first cousins in the Tea Party, need I remind you of "death panels", claims that President Obama is a "Muslim", that he was born in Kenya and that his birth certificate is a fake? I didn't include those since I never heard them directly from Romney's campaign, but I certainly never heard (as I did hear it from John McCain) the governor state that such talk is wrong and deplorable.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 05:01 AM

Romney and Ryan immediately distanced themselves from Richard Murdock after his remarks. He isn't going to win independent voters by supporting him like you said.

I have seen your points SB, I acknowledge them, and some of them are probably true. But I stand by what I said before: I could bring in a rightwing columnist to counter everything you said. I've been late following this election, so I don't know as much as some but I know enough to make a decision on who I vote for.

Right now this is the way I see it. Unemployment rate is down yes, but it's not because of Obama. Give that credit to the Federal Reserve. They buy bonds and liquify them, pumping money into small and mid-sized companies, who can start hiring people again. Obama has nothing to do with that. And the population/employment ratio is at its worst rate ever.

The bailout was a success. I give Obama credit for that. And the stimulus bill was the right thing to do at the time. But certain government benefits and programs like Obamacare have to go. It's a step in the right direction, but we can't afford it right now. There are things we cannot afford to pay for anymore which brings me to my next issue with Obama.

He wants to tax the upper 5 percent to pay off the deficit and keep funding his programs. But the math on that doesn't work. You tax the upper 5 percent more, that doesn't put a dent in the deficit, plus it keeps people who have money from spending it. Those successful people for the most part worked hard to get to where they are now, why should they be picked on? I am in favor of closing loopholes, so they can't make deductions, but I don't agree with raising the rates.

Our country is not economically sound, and that's what I'm concerned about. He has not done a good job with it. Romney is someone who knows buisness and can improve it rather than run it into the ground. He has convinced me of that.

Two main issues: cut the deficit and create jobs. Romney can do both.

I am an independent living in a blue state. I voted for Obama last time, but I will not this time. He has lost his favor on me and other independents as well, crucial to the election. He had four years to do something about our situation, he's only made it worse. He needs to go. Romney can bring fresh ideas to the plate.

I made my decision today. I vote Romney.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 05:31 AM

123, you live in Massachusetts, so your vote kind of does not count. Maybe there are some local amendments you want to vote on.

It feels like the entire country is waiting to see what Ohio does.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 06:34 AM

Skinny, I'm surprised you didn't bring this up already.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/23/video-did-biden-get-his-brother-a-lucrative-contract-in-iraq/
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 10:40 AM

Michigan may be a swing state.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 12:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
123, you live in Massachusetts, so your vote kind of does not count. Maybe there are some local amendments you want to vote on.

It feels like the entire country is waiting to see what Ohio does.

Lol I know skinny. The real race here is Elizabeth Warren vs Scott Brown for the senate race. In which case I am voting for brown.

Indeed Massachusetts is a blue state through and through and I know my vote won't count for anything. But I do feel this election will decide what direction we take as a country and that is important. That's why I cast my vote even though it won't change the outcome of the election.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 02:23 PM

It's bad when even the right-friendly Washington Times is kicking Willard in the nuts over FEMA.

FEMA to the rescue: why Obama is right and Romney was wrong

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...mney-was-wrong/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 03:12 PM

For what it's worth, Chuck Todd this morning reported that Team Willard now believe they're behind. Whether that's actually true or Team Willard is deploying an underdog mentality, who knows?

But that question won't be asked today, what will be asked will be: FEMA?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
123, you live in Massachusetts, so your vote kind of does not count. Maybe there are some local amendments you want to vote on.

It feels like the entire country is waiting to see what Ohio does.

Lol I know skinny. The real race here is Elizabeth Warren vs Scott Brown for the senate race. In which case I am voting for brown.

Indeed Massachusetts is a blue state through and through and I know my vote won't count for anything. But I do feel this election will decide what direction we take as a country and that is important. That's why I cast my vote even though it won't change the outcome of the election.


You're not voting for Fauxcahontas?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 04:01 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
For what it's worth, Chuck Todd this morning reported that Team Willard now believe they're behind. Whether that's actually true or Team Willard is deploying an underdog mentality, who knows?

But that question won't be asked today, what will be asked will be: FEMA?


That's because they are behind. Behind in the electoral vote. And they know states like Florida and Virginia are too close.

Romney team asking for money to campaign in Minnesota and Wisconsin. They might think they need to flip those two states and are giving up on Ohio.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 06:53 PM

123, I want to know what loopholes does Romney want to close? Loopholes like the mortgage interest deduction, which would devastate the working poor and the middle class? I remember when Reagan (who I voted for) lowered the tax rate by eliminating deductions for interest. I don't know your age so I don't know if you remember or not, but you used to be able to deduct the interest paid on student loans and credit cards.

And I disagree that the President is asking the top 5% to foot the bill for the deficit. He expects gazillionaires like the Governor to pay more than 14%. That's not fair?
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
PA is very "southern" when you go between Philly and Pittsburgh. Literally. Lots of pickup trucks and country music fans. Guns. Jesus. People actually have a southern accent in those parts.



PA is very southern between Philly and Pgh? The people have southern accents? Come on now. lol

I know Carville once described the PA electorate as Philly and Pgh with Alabama squeezed between, but I lived in south central PA for 23 years, have been around the entire state. The only southern accents in PA are from people raised in the South.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 08:42 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
PA is very "southern" when you go between Philly and Pittsburgh. Literally. Lots of pickup trucks and country music fans. Guns. Jesus. People actually have a southern accent in those parts.



PA is very southern between Philly and Pgh? The people have southern accents? Come on now. lol

I know Carville once described the PA electorate as Philly and Pgh with Alabama squeezed between, but I lived in south central PA for 23 years, have been around the entire state. The only southern accents in PA are from people raised in the South.


Carville is right. Pennsyltucky. When I lived in Monroe County, and still visit, a met a lot of people with a southern drawl. And I always heard rifle fire. Country music was the top music format.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 08:46 PM

Pennsyltucky was always a running joke amongst PA residents while I was in college.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 10:43 PM

IMO, the president's overwhelming positive reviews on his response to the disaster will almost guarantee he wins next week.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 10:52 PM

I agree. It just seems so very strange (and funny) to see the big bully and the cool, calm President all buddy buddy in a mutual admiration society. You know, like The Odd Couple. lol It IS a good thing though that they can come together.



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 11:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
IMO, the president's overwhelming positive reviews on his response to the disaster will almost guarantee he wins next week.


The only criticism the President got was from who, Brownie? That's like Chamberlain bitching at your diplomacy.

Man Willard must feel like a Michael Myers victim, a knife to the back, after what Cristie has done.

EDIT - Did Team Willard actually respond to the FEMA thing today or not? I was too busy today.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 10/31/12 11:43 PM

The count is up to 14 times Mittens has been asked about FEMA, and he just ignores the question.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 12:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
IMO, the president's overwhelming positive reviews on his response to the disaster will almost guarantee he wins next week.


I don't know if it matters. Can't see this changing votes in Ohio, Florida or Virginia next week for Obama.

Will this help Christie for reelection?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 12:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
The count is up to 14 times Mittens has been asked about FEMA, and he just ignores the question.


That's a mistake.

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Will this help Christie for reelection?


Said it before, but this sealed it.

Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 12:43 AM

I don't think any of this will changes votes next Tuesday for Obama/Romney or whenever Christie is up for reelection.

Keep in mind, here in Florida, I have not stopped giving out candy for three hours. Point is, people not affected are going on with their lives and not going to be swayed by what is happening in NY and NJ.

Hey Ronnie. Drudge is teasing a sex scandal involving the campaign is about to break.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 12:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Hey Ronnie. Drudge is teasing a sex scandal involving the campaign is about to break.


Why didn't they run with that Biden, Iraq construction contracts piece I linked earlier?

Oh god, imagine a Biden sex scandal.

Let me get my vomit bucket.
Posted By: Mist

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 01:14 AM

Romney and Obama are tied with Romney in a slight lead
Which I believe is promising for a Romney win.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 01:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Mist
Romney and Obama are tied with Romney in a slight lead
Which I believe is promising for a Romney win.


They're sure not acting as confident.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 01:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Mist
Romney and Obama are tied with Romney in a slight lead
Which I believe is promising for a Romney win.


RCP has it as a tie which seems to be the average based on all major polls ( correct me if i'm wrong americans ) i'm predicting an Obama win from what i've read though i don't think he deserves it.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 01:35 AM

For God's sake people. Obama handled this crisis very well and I applaud him for it, but this doesn't have any effect on the outcome of the election. You are kidding yourselves if you think that.

People have made up their minds already. It's just about which group shows up to vote.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Camarel


RCP has it as a tie which seems to be the average based on all major polls ( correct me if i'm wrong americans ) i'm predicting an Obama win from what i've read though i don't think he deserves it.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html


We disagree alot (in fact most of the time) but me and Skinny agree on who will win. Difference only in EV score.

All this smoke in the air (mostly by the right) about how Pennsylvania and Minnesota and Michigan and whatever are really toss-up, well I consider them just that, smoke. I'm reminded of 4 years ago when Georgia and Dakota (North?) were talked up as potential Obama swing states...and while he had higher than usual non-redneck Democratic candidate voting % in those states (he lost Georgia by only 5), never once did I seriously consider him winning them from the polls I constantly read and compared at the time.

I do find it interesting the contrast between national and state polls, both which telling different stories. (On that note, National Journal's newest poll has Obama up by 5. Their last poll had a tie.)
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 01:52 AM

I can't say for sure who I think will win. I don't see Obama cruising to victory like most think he will. I also don't see Romney making a complete sweep of the midwest. We will have to see.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 02:05 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Camarel


RCP has it as a tie which seems to be the average based on all major polls ( correct me if i'm wrong americans ) i'm predicting an Obama win from what i've read though i don't think he deserves it.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html


We disagree alot (in fact most of the time) but me and Skinny agree on who will win. Difference only in EV score.

All this smoke in the air (mostly by the right) about how Pennsylvania and Minnesota and Michigan and whatever are really toss-up, well I consider them just that, smoke. I'm reminded of 4 years ago when Georgia and Dakota (North?) were talked up as potential Obama swing states...and while he had higher than usual non-redneck Democratic candidate voting % in those states (he lost Georgia by only 5), never once did I seriously consider him winning them from the polls I constantly read and compared at the time.

I do find it interesting the contrast between national and state polls, both which telling different stories. (On that note, National Journal's newest poll has Obama up by 5. Their last poll had a tie.)


I've not checked but guess the NJ poll is included in the RCP average. The one thing i'd like to say as a non American is that the majority of non Romney voters are basing it on GOP policies (abortion,gay marriage) while non Obama voters base it on his dismal record as President . As a meaningless Scot i endorse Gary Johnson smile
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 02:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Camarel

I've not checked but guess the NJ poll is included in the RCP average. The one thing i'd like to say as a non American is that the majority of non Romney voters are basing it on GOP policies (abortion,gay marriage) while non Obama voters base it on his dismal record as President . As a meaningless Scot i endorse Gary Johnson smile


An improving economy is a dismal record?

But you are right about the GOP with that Christianite base, who have dragged that party down this side of Lindsey Lohan in your entourage.

EDIT - So the big Drudge scoop is about a "powerful Senator." I'm almost reminded of Trump in that the reveal won't match the hype. (Except Trump is a clown who trolled the media successfully.)
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 02:14 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Camarel

I've not checked but guess the NJ poll is included in the RCP average. The one thing i'd like to say as a non American is that the majority of non Romney voters are basing it on GOP policies (abortion,gay marriage) while non Obama voters base it on his dismal record as President . As a meaningless Scot i endorse Gary Johnson smile


An improving economy is a dismal record?


Ronnie that is certainly debatable. Also the Democratic party has just as many half wits in its base (*cough Biden). I hate tea partiers and those extreme christian nutjobs as much as you do, but let's be fair here. The Democrats are not without fault.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 02:28 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Camarel

I've not checked but guess the NJ poll is included in the RCP average. The one thing i'd like to say as a non American is that the majority of non Romney voters are basing it on GOP policies (abortion,gay marriage) while non Obama voters base it on his dismal record as President . As a meaningless Scot i endorse Gary Johnson smile


An improving economy is a dismal record?

But you are right about the GOP with that Christianite base, who have dragged that party down this side of Lindsey Lohan in your entourage.

EDIT - So the big Drudge scoop is about a "powerful Senator." I'm almost reminded of Trump in that the reveal won't match the hype. (Except Trump is a clown who trolled the media successfully.)


I may be wrong but since you've not produced any numbers indicating a recovering economy .

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obama-romney-surrogates-spin-jobs-data/

The job increase that Obama claims needs to factor in the amount that's dropped out the work force my link is from July because i couldn't find a non bias recent survey . I'm probably wrong but i'd like something showing me an improving economy .
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 02:36 AM

Camarel politics are so biased in the USA it's unbelievable. I don't know how it is in the UK but here it's awful.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 02:45 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Camarel politics are so biased in the USA it's unbelievable. I don't know how it is in the UK but here it's awful.


It's not as bad here Imo in Scotland the Tories (Conservative) have no chance other than that though 3rd parties actually have a chance as shown by the last election . Especially in England though it's more or less full of independents which all parties need to throw themselves at to get the election . I respect you for being an independent don't let any party entice you bro wink
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:00 AM

I may be voting for Romney, but for my own reasons. Tbh, both sides annoy me in this country, especially tea partiers like Michelle Bachmann (vomit) or conservative idiots like Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. However the left is just as frustrating (Joe Biden, Al Sharpton, Chris Matthews)and intolerant.

Frankly both sides are guilty of bias and igorance. They find little tidbits and information that support what they think is right, while totally ignoring what doesn't. Quite frankly I see that on this board.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:13 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I may be voting for Romney, but for my own reasons.


Home state?
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:14 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I may be voting for Romney, but for my own reasons. Tbh, both sides annoy me in this country, especially tea partiers like Michelle Bachmann (vomit) or conservative idiots like Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. However the left is just as frustrating (Joe Biden, Al Sharpton, Chris Matthews)and intolerant.

Frankly both sides are guilty of bias and igorance. They find little tidbits and information that support what they think is right, while totally ignoring what doesn't. Quite frankly I see that on this board.


Well said Joe you can tell you're taking an informed decision by ignoring the right and lefft propaganda and looking at the results,plans,history etc of the 2 candidates
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:15 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I may be voting for Romney, but for my own reasons.


Home state?


Is his home state not liberal?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:20 AM

Joe is from Mass, and well the last Mass President was what, JFK?

Again I ask: If both sides are so rotten, why do you or anybody rule out voting 3rd party?

Your local shitty McDonalds doesn't improve service if you bitch but you keep going there.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:20 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I may be voting for Romney, but for my own reasons.


Home state?


The state I was born and raised is Massachusetts. It's where I live now and where I will always live.

And thank you Camarel much obliged. I think more Americans should abide by that sort of political thinking rather than automatically assuming one way is the "right way". And as I said before, both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of it.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:21 AM

The problem with the Left is they can take things too far.

Not voting for Obama? You're a racist!

College professor and you think marriage is between one man and one woman? You can be suspended. It has happened.

They overreact. They did it to Whole Foods. They did it to Chick-fil-A. You have to fear for your job or business if you are not in line with their view of the world.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:24 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo


And thank you Camarel much obliged. I think more Americans should abide by that sort of political thinking rather than automatically assuming one way is the "right way". And as I said before, both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of it.


Because people want simplicity in their lives. Look at religion: Follow the true God/gods and fight against the demons/evil or whatever.

Not to mention the system is rigged so ridiculously in favor of the 2 party system, and we're conditioned as such to follow this mindset.

Again why not vote say Libertarian? Camarel mentioned Johnson. He's a honest small government conservative, not the sort who preach against Big Government only to whore it out. (Notice how much politics and religion, literally or metaphorical, are intertwined.)
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:24 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Joe is from Mass, and well the last Mass President was what, JFK?

Again I ask: If both sides are so rotten, why do you or anybody rule out voting 3rd party?

Your local shitty McDonalds doesn't improve service if you bitch but you keep going there.


Well I don't go to McDonalds first off lol

But to answer your questions I don't vote for someone that clearly won't win the election and has no hope of doing so. As much I would like the idea of a Gary Johnson or Ron Paul, it's not realistic. So what I do is take both candidates (Obama and Romney) and evaluate them on all sorts of different issues (economy, foreign policy, social issues, the deficit etc) . I weigh the circumstances of the times and what the US needs at this particular moment vs what the candidates would do.

In this case, for me, it was close. But I decided on Romney.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:30 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Joe is from Mass, and well the last Mass President was what, JFK?

Again I ask: If both sides are so rotten, why do you or anybody rule out voting 3rd party?

Your local shitty McDonalds doesn't improve service if you bitch but you keep going there.


Mass has among the most presidents if that means anything which i personally don't think it should.
If you're talking to Joe with your last sentence he's made 5 or 6 maybe more comments in this thread you probably made your first comment within the first 10 pages so it's a bit harsh saying that to someone just because he's going to vote Romney.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
The problem with the Left is they can take things too far.

Not voting for Obama? You're a racist!


Enough.

Besides the "racism=vote" crap you Skinny keep bringing up my friend is nonsense. Hey we elected a black President. He didn't win the primaries and general election because he was black. (And that talked up "Bradley Effect" libs feared didn't happen 4 years ago.) He might win re-election, but it won't be because he's black. (Notice Joe and Camarel are voting against him because of the economy.) There is white noise, and then there is reality.

Certainly (I don't think at least) Willard won't win or lose because of his Mormonism, an issue that surprisingly (and thankfully) didn't negatively come up this summer, fall as much as I cynically expected. Which is a good thing, right? It's been a non-issue from what I've seen mainstream wise. (Notice I said mainstream. Andrew Sullivan on his blog recently has been on a tear about the racist LDS back in the 60s/70s, which is true but...so what? How does that matter for next week?)

Skinny, let me ask you this. If Willard loses, will some people argue that he lost because of religious bias? Are people who don't vote for him prejudicial? Will you be pressing that point?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:45 AM

Ronnie. All we're going to hear about is racism against Obama. AP. msnbc. NY Times.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Black bloggers are all over it. Accusations of racism are a constant tactic of the Left.

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Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:51 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
The problem with the Left is they can take things too far.

Not voting for Obama? You're a racist!


Enough.

Besides the "racism=vote" crap you Skinny keep bringing up my friend is nonsense. Hey we elected a black President. He didn't win the primaries and general election because he was black. (And that talked up "Bradley Effect" libs feared didn't happen 4 years ago.) He might win re-election, but it won't be because he's black. (Notice Joe and Camarel are voting against him because of the economy.) There is white noise, and then there is reality.

Certainly (I don't think at least) Willard won't win or lose because of his Mormonism, an issue that surprisingly (and thankfully) didn't negatively come up this summer, fall as much as I cynically expected. Which is a good thing, right? It's been a non-issue from what I've seen mainstream wise. (Notice I said mainstream. Andrew Sullivan on his blog recently has been on a tear about the racist LDS back in the 60s/70s, which is true but...so what? How does that matter for next week?)

Skinny, let me ask you this. If Willard loses, will some people argue that he lost because of religious bias? Are people who don't vote for him prejudicial? Will you be pressing that point?


Camarel won't be voting against him because he's Scottish wink.

In all honesty though i don't see why anybody would unless it's social issues (abortion,gay marriage) imo it seems the US wants to reward Obamas failure with the economy because they believe Romneys going to make a difference on abortion issues which most experts agree it's not going to budge regardless of the presidents views.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:52 AM

http://youtu.be/FIya48ogpsI

http://youtu.be/eCcrRHje5us
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:56 AM

That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be)
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 04:10 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be)


Gay marriage is 40 odd -1 the last time i heard as well as Obamas budget got voted against by as much D as R so he can't start claiming he's the great uniter.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 04:14 AM

He's not, Congress is more divided than ever.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 04:15 AM

I clicked on the first link regardless if it's biased it's still the vote it got.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 04:20 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
He's not, Congress is more divided than ever.


If he done anything substantial when he had 2 years with the house and senate he'd be on to a landslide but he's now onto a narrow victory over Romney most likely.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 05:45 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be)


Problem is, the LGBT community can't rely solely on the states for the rights they want.

Like citizenship through marriage. And joint filing of federal taxes. States can't do that.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 08:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be)


Problem is, the LGBT community can't rely solely on the states for the rights they want.

Like citizenship through marriage. And joint filing of federal taxes. States can't do that.


What has the President done for them other than endorsing gay marriage which means nothing and don't ask don't tell which is a big step forward but doesn't address any of the problems you brought up.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 08:56 AM

Camarel,

I don't follow the LGBT stuff much because I support same-sex civil unions but I think Obama stopped defending the Defense of Marriage Act(DOMA).

But the LGBT vote won't matter. When Obama wins next week, it will be because of people like the lady in this youtube clip

http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 10:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

But the LGBT vote won't matter. When Obama wins next week, it will be because of people like the lady in this youtube clip

http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio


And if Obama loses, it will be because of base voters like the ones at this rally.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 11:30 AM

Original geschrieben von: Camarel
The one thing i'd like to say as a non American is that the majority of non Romney voters are basing it on GOP policies (abortion,gay marriage)

I doubt it. Many of them don't even know what the GOP policies are.
http://today.yougov.com/news/2012/10/24/informed-voters-should-see-psychiatrists/
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 02:13 PM

There are nutjobs on both sides. Just as you can point to an Al Sharpton, you can point to a Sarah Palin. Both sides have their idiots. And I think that most people to the extreme of any side are not thinking clearly. I prefer to think that those leaning more towards the middle are more willing to listen to all sides and make a good decision based on fact. What scares me are those that vote according to silly fear-mongering.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 02:35 PM

I don't know. I think race DOES play a factor in this election. Is everyone racist? Of course not, But I DO think that it IS an issue in this election and it's really sad IMHO. frown

Lilo, I saw that picture you posted above a couple days ago. I also, last week saw a sign that said "Get the Bro & the Ho out of the White House." These people DO exist and they will vote simply to get President Obama out of the White House simply because he's Black. This both sides have their idiots is true, but never have I seen so much hatred (and believe me a lot of people hated Bush) as I have in this particular election and it is coming from the RIGHT not the left.

TIS
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 02:53 PM

Poor FOX News. The morning show tried to take some of the sting away from Chris Christie's praise of the President and it backfired. They asked him whether Romney would visit or call, seemingly opening the door for some kind words for the candidate Christie's endorsing, but Christie said he couldn't care less about presidential politics right now, showing a little indignation that in this time of crisis they would exploit his appearance to push their agenda.

By the way I was dumbfounded that Brownie would criticize the quick federal response to the emergency. This time around FEMA was prepared with a plan prior to Sandy's arrival, and the coordination among federal, state and local authorities has accellerated the help to those, who need it.

Christie and Obama are receiving just praise for their strong leadership. But make no mistake, the leadership doesn't start with showing up after the fact and surveying the damage, but it starts with having the organization and the proper people in the right roles. Unlike Bush, who viewed the position of FEMA Director as a politcal patronage position and filled it with an incompetent hack, Obama filled the position with the able and experienced Fugate.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 02:58 PM

I saw that clip. The 3 anchors jaws dropped I think. lol

It would be nice if this would set an example for both sides to "get along"and work together. ohwell

Plus I like the President's "15 minute rule." A phone call MUST be returned within 15 minutes. He IS organized. smile



TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:10 PM

The storm cleanup should help Obama. Not only does it stop Romney from going on the offensive, but people will ultimately be reminded of the poor job Bush (and by extension the Republican Party) did during Hurricane Katrina. I don't think Romney has a chance at this point.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:27 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Plus I like the President's "15 minute rule." A phone call MUST be returned within 15 minutes. He IS organized. smile



TIS


I guarantee that he is the only one with a law degree in America, who does this. I can't believe how it could be possible. As a practice I try to return all phone calls by the end of the business day.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:40 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Plus I like the President's "15 minute rule." A phone call MUST be returned within 15 minutes. He IS organized. smile



TIS


I guarantee that he is the only one with a law degree in America, who does this. I can't believe how it could be possible. As a practice I try to return all phone calls by the end of the business day.


LOL, I see your point. I "assume" he has tons of his people/connections returning calls/answering questions. I doubt he returns the calls himself unless there's a problem.

smile
TIS
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 03:55 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
The storm cleanup should help Obama. Not only does it stop Romney from going on the offensive, but people will ultimately be reminded of the poor job Bush (and by extension the Republican Party) did during Hurricane Katrina. I don't think Romney has a chance at this point.


It helps Obama because it got him off his failing campaign trail. His numbers were dropping, and his campaign was using insults like "Romnesia", and putting out ads like the one with the hipster actress equating voting for Obama with losing virginity. Nothing seemed to be working for Obama.

In the end, will anyone change their vote because of Sandy? Not here in swing state Florida.

I can't see the almighty NY/NJ people changing their votes because a hurricane hit Florida, or Virginia, or Ohio, so I don't see why people in those states should change their votes because Obama got some positive press out of your catastrophe.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
and putting out ads like the one with the hipster actress equating voting for Obama with losing virginity.

That was a silly ad. The kind of ad that made all Democrats look like Hollywood weirdos rolleyes.

Did they end up pulling it?
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 04:16 PM

In 2008, we could see a fresh speech of Obama almost every week. This year it's been more or less the same with a few variation.
Back then they showed the complete speeches on Obama's Youtube channel, this year only some fragments.
Why?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 04:23 PM

I don't think Obama campaign pulled the ad, but I doubt they'll buy television time to run it. The ad will remain on Obama's website, and RW who like to make fun of it.

Just heard Obama is campaigning in Green Bay. Can't believe Wisconsin could be in play.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 04:27 PM

I will tell you one thing for sure...after all this crap. I have little to no respect for anyone in the political field.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 04:52 PM

Here's an example of why you really have to be careful when it comes to showing your political affiliation.

http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=7896333&autostart=true
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 05:26 PM

Skinny Vinny is right in the sense that no matter how successful Obama was in this clean up it doesnt affect the outcome because the hurricane hit states that are blue and were a lock for Obama anyway. People from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia don't give a damn about a storm that has nothing to do with them. Which is why I still say this doesn't charge anything so late in the game.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 09:04 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Skinny Vinny is right in the sense that no matter how successful Obama was in this clean up it doesnt affect the outcome because the hurricane hit states that are blue and were a lock for Obama anyway. People from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia don't give a damn about a storm that has nothing to do with them. Which is why I still say this doesn't charge anything so late in the game.


It does matter to people in those states because Obama has had the chance to show that he is able to work with people from the other party (Rep. Chris Christie) cooperatively to help the recovery in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy. On top of showing strong leadership qualities in a time of crisis, which is what this is. Poll's have shown that overwhelming numbers of people love when politicians work across the aisle, and having Christie give Obama a huge blessing definitely helps. I just saw a new poll that 78% of Americans approve of Obama's response to the Hurricane.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 09:26 PM

Did you guys hear Mayor Bloomberg is supporting President Obama? Is anyone surprised? confused




TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 09:33 PM

I was a bit susprised, cause he's been throwing shots at both candidates recently so I thought he wasnt going to endorse anybody. But he specifically cited Obama's belief in climate change and steps he has taken to address emissions as a main driver for his endorsement.

On another note, I saw this today. I studied economics in college, so this is already common sense that trickle down policies DONT work, but tactics like the following is what piss me off! Hiding the truth pisses me off.



Nonpartisan Tax Report Withdrawn After G.O.P. Protest

The Congressional Research Service has withdrawn an economic report that found no correlation between top tax rates and economic growth, a central tenet of conservative economy theory, after Senate Republicans raised concerns about the paper’s findings and wording.

"questions the premise that lowering the top marginal tax rate stimulates economic growth and job creation."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/busine...-tax-rates.html
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 09:45 PM

DD,

Yes I did see that story and I agree, it pisses me off as well. mad

On another note I hear unemployment went down to 7.0 in October.At least it's the right direction no?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/31/msnbcs-todd-wsj-cover-for-romneys-misleading-oh/191033


TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 09:52 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
DD,

Yes I did see that story and I agree, it pisses me off as well. mad

On another note I hear unemployment went down to 7.0 in October.At least it's the right direction no?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/31/msnbcs-todd-wsj-cover-for-romneys-misleading-oh/191033


TIS


Down is always good for the unemployment rate, the 7% rate refers to Ohio specifically, nationally it is 7.8%

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/unemployment-and-the-swing-states/
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 09:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
DD,

Yes I did see that story and I agree, it pisses me off as well. mad

On another note I hear unemployment went down to 7.0 in October.At least it's the right direction no?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/31/msnbcs-todd-wsj-cover-for-romneys-misleading-oh/191033


TIS


Down is always good for the unemployment rate, the 7% rate refers to Ohio specifically, nationally it is 7.8%

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/unemployment-and-the-swing-states/




Oh, I didn't catch that it was only for Ohio. Sorry! blush Still good for OH.


TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 10:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Camarel
I clicked on the first link regardless if it's biased it's still the vote it got.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/


That was a procedural move because Obama wasnt happy with it.

"The White House sought to provide cover for Democrats to vote against the Obama budget resolution before the vote, arguing the resolution offered by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) was different from Obama’s budget because it did not include policy report language.Democrats made the same point on the floor Wednesday in explaining their votes. "
Originally Posted By: Camarel
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be)


Gay marriage is 40 odd -1 the last time i heard as well as Obamas budget got voted against by as much D as R so he can't start claiming he's the great uniter.


It's kind of hard to get any GOP votes when the leader of GOP Senators Mitch McConnell said his number one priority was to deny Obama a second term RIGHT after Obama won the election in 2008. The GOP and their wacko Tea Party friends holds a majority in the House so nothing is getting across them from Obama.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 10:07 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Skinny Vinny is right in the sense that no matter how successful Obama was in this clean up it doesnt affect the outcome because the hurricane hit states that are blue and were a lock for Obama anyway. People from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia don't give a damn about a storm that has nothing to do with them. Which is why I still say this doesn't charge anything so late in the game.


People from NY/NJ/CT have a high sense of self. They think their situation will impact all of America. Truth is, other parts of America have suffered hurricanes(FLORIDA!), blizzards, blackouts, earthquakes, etc......and no one ever talked it influencing the outcome of an election.

Besides, the situation is said to be deteriorating. Looting. Dwindling gas supplies. Dumpster diving according to NBC 4.

In fact, the worse the situation gets, the less the mainstream media will cover the story if they think it no longer favors their candidate, Barack Obama.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 10:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Skinny Vinny is right in the sense that no matter how successful Obama was in this clean up it doesnt affect the outcome because the hurricane hit states that are blue and were a lock for Obama anyway. People from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia don't give a damn about a storm that has nothing to do with them. Which is why I still say this doesn't charge anything so late in the game.


People from NY/NJ/CT have a high sense of self. They think their situation will impact all of America. Truth is, other parts of America have suffered hurricanes(FLORIDA!), blizzards, blackouts, earthquakes, etc......and no one ever talked it influencing the outcome of an election.

Besides, the situation is said to be deteriorating. Looting. Dwindling gas supplies. Dumpster diving according to NBC 4.

In fact, the worse the situation gets, the less the mainstream media will cover the story if they think it no longer favors their candidate, Barack Obama.


NYC is the financial capital of the world, major events that happen here DO impact the rest of America for obvious reasons.

Let's be clear, the situation is bad. Looting is happening (very little, media looks for stories to report) the NYPD is out in full force in the hardest hit areas. Gas supplies will recover as the Port will be reopened for shipment on a limited basis, and the dumpster diving was done by hipsters for very expensive food.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/dumpster-divers-grab-40-000-worth-food-article-1.1195338
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 10:23 PM

On the eve of the Bloomberg endorsement, the conservative-leaning The Economist endorses Obama for re-election

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21...-bill-which-one
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 10:28 PM

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/video/#!/on-air/as-seen-on/Sandy-Starved-New-Yorkers-Dumpster-Dive/176839571
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 10:30 PM

Heard that too... and FWIW, the CEO of Starbucks is as well. Don't know exactly why that is news expect perhaps that CEO's normally would go for the Republican candidate. Yet he said has always been a Democrat. confused


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/11/01/obama-schultz-starbucks-endorsement/1675237/



TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 10:33 PM

My office is just above the lower east side (im in union square). I am very familiar with these neighborhoods.

Not surprising since they have no power, Lower East Side and East Village, some very vulnerable poor people live in that area along with many hipsters.

On a side note, I have been home in the BX (with power) all week cause my office is still without power. I wish I could say the same for my fellow New Yorkers who dont have power/food.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 10:43 PM

Wow. Said to be deteriorating? I've been watching the news almost 24/7 and I haven't seen one story about anything like that, except for the gas lines. However, my husband works in nearby Connecticut, and gassed up with no line there today, so it's obviously not widespread. And for someone who is living it firsthand, I've seen nothing close to what you're talking about.

As for our alleged high sense of self, I think that the nation will take notice of the aftermath and it certainly could sway votes. Hmmmm, if I live in an area like Florida that's prone to hurricanes, would I want my president to be the guy who gave us a 15 minute response, or the guy who thinks FEMA is nonsense and that storm victims shouldn't receive assistance?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 10:49 PM

Living here in earthquake country I too would love a President who I know would give immediate help. It is good to pay attention to how these disasters are handled. We never know when we will be the ones that need help.

smile

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 11:05 PM

Interesting note about the Economist: They've never endorsed an incumbent President before until this year. Which I find surprising.

Bloomberg is now enemy #1 on Fox News (or is it #2 after the Kenyan?)

I will agree with Skinny in that the leaders basking in the glory of post-Sandy after next tuesday don't let your eyes off the ball when the American media and public inevitably lose interest. (They both have notorious attention spans.)

Hell New Orleans 7 years later is still recovering.

Cristie '16: It's happening.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 11:16 PM

Cristie is not a likable guy. Sure, it's fun for people beyond NJ to read about his battles with the Teachers', but as a President, well, Christie would not go far in the primaries.

I'd imagine Fox News has always hated Bloomberg for his position on guns(financing anti-gun candidates), giving money to Planned Parenthood, and of course all the soda stuff must have put a target on the head of Bloomberg a long time ago.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 11:24 PM

^^I completely agree with you, Christie in 2016 is a real good possibility.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 11:29 PM

I have to admit when an objective, non party affiliated magazine supports Obama that's a blow to Romney. Dap you can't seriously call the economist conservative leaning. They tell it like it is. But I subscribe to them and I love their articles, I think it doesnt bode well for Mr Romney if a highly independent magazine endorses the other side.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 11:38 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I have to admit when an objective, non party affiliated magazine supports Obama that's a blow to Romney. Dap you can't seriously call the economist conservative leaning. They tell it like it is. But I subscribe to them and I love their articles, I think it doesnt bode well for Mr Romney if a highly independent magazine endorses the other side.


I also subscribe to The Economist among a bunch of other stuff like the NYTimes, WSJ, Wash Post, Businessweek, Forbes, etc.

The Economist is a globalist magazine that touts free trade as its major policy perogative, free trade is part of the backbone of the conservative agenda.

They used to be known as "the Enronomist" back in the day during the Bush years. They tended to endorse Repub candidates unless the Repub was just a mess (i.e. 2004 and 1992). But they endorsed Reagan in 1980, Dole in 96, and Smirk in 2000. And they make it clear in the article that they don't like Obama's "anti-business" attitude, or the teacher's unions.

This is one of the main reasons I read the magazine, because regardless of their viewpoints they will tout the BEST overall policy/politician in their viewpoint even if it goes against what they should naturally select.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/01/12 11:44 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I have to admit when an objective, non party affiliated magazine supports Obama that's a blow to Romney. Dap you can't seriously call the economist conservative leaning. They tell it like it is. But I subscribe to them and I love their articles, I think it doesnt bode well for Mr Romney if a highly independent magazine endorses the other side.


The Economist is a British magazine that tends to lean to the left.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 12:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I have to admit when an objective, non party affiliated magazine supports Obama that's a blow to Romney. Dap you can't seriously call the economist conservative leaning. They tell it like it is. But I subscribe to them and I love their articles, I think it doesnt bode well for Mr Romney if a highly independent magazine endorses the other side.


I also subscribe to The Economist among a bunch of other stuff like the NYTimes, WSJ, Wash Post, Businessweek, Forbes, etc.

The Economist is a globalist magazine that touts free trade as its major policy perogative, free trade is part of the backbone of the conservative agenda.

They used to be known as "the Enronomist" back in the day during the Bush years. They tended to endorse Repub candidates unless the Repub was just a mess (i.e. 2004 and 1992). But they endorsed Reagan in 1980, Dole in 96, and Smirk in 2000. And they make it clear in the article that they don't like Obama's "anti-business" attitude, or the teacher's unions.

This is one of the main reasons I read the magazine, because regardless of their viewpoints they will tout the BEST overall policy/politician in their viewpoint even if it goes against what they should naturally select.


It's one of the main reasons I read it too. I may vote for Romney but the economist is a respectable magazine that doesn't write bullshit. I think this only affirms how close this election is going to be. Iowas biggest newspaper endorsed Romney this year and that's the first time they went republican since Reagan.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 12:13 AM

Flashback: Last days of the 1992 Election.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/03/us/the...=all&src=pm
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 12:34 AM

I think I'll be posting random vintage election night network coverage videos. How much has changed, how much hasn't.

Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 12:38 AM

These are some great articles I have just read, I HIGHLY encourage you from either party to take 10 minutes and read them. Very interesting analysis and topics.

What It Will Take for Barack Obama to Become the Next FDR
"First, he should let the United States go over the fiscal cliff. Then he should push filibuster reform."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ext-fdr/264195/

Either I Win or You Cheated
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/either-i-win-or-you-cheated/264433/

Why the GOP Should Fear a Romney Presidency

"At best, he would be hamstrung by the conflicting demands of a radicalized party. At worst, he would wreck the Reagan coalition."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...sidency/263918/

Here's an endorsement tracking sheet which compares all newspaper endorsements so far. The columns show the publication, the endorsee, the publications reason for endorsing, and three previous presidential endorsements.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/economist-endorses-devil-we-know/58601/
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 01:33 AM

Well I voted against Amendment 6 in Florida today. That's the amendment that would cut state funding to pay for abortions.

In other words, I support state funded abortions.

Amazing stuff like that even makes the ballot.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 01:37 AM

If I lived in Florida I would vote against that amendment too.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 01:45 AM

I'll respond (if not read yet) the first and third pieces you linked Dapper.

(1) I like Obama, but he's no FDR who was a master politician. In the late 1930s he prepared himself for the recession that came and survived it very well. Besides the right, if indeed their bubble of self-assurance burts and their sworn enemy is re-elected, will oppose him even if its reform that potentially they ideologically should be attracted to. (Of course the right-wing influenced ObamaCare is Socialism, so I doubt that'll matter.)

(3) Theoretically I could see Willard going Bubba on his base with triangulation. Difference is the liberal base in the 1990s were so demoralized, pussy whipped, and afraid of the GOP, they easily corralled under Bubba. The GOP base is so insane, they won't give a fuck they'll slap Willard so hard his dad 50 years ago will feel it.

I'm reminded of when Dubya boldly went for immigration reform, when he had Democratic support and who the hell knows, could've secured the GOP a permanent heavy bloc of Hispanic voting support. But nooooooo his own base whined about amnesty amnesty amnesty (which it wasn't but you can't argue with morons) and well Dubya lost his party's chance to fulfill Karl Rove's dreams of a permanent majority.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 01:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Well I voted against Amendment 6 in Florida today. That's the amendment that would cut state funding to pay for abortions.


I thought you wouldn't mind supporting less criminals?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 01:53 AM

I always thought Bush went for Amnesty knowing the Dems would vote against it, thus it would not pass, and the GOP could use that against the Dems by saying, "The Dems voted against Amnesty".
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 01:56 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Well I voted against Amendment 6 in Florida today. That's the amendment that would cut state funding to pay for abortions.


I thought you wouldn't mind supporting less criminals?


I voted against(N0) Amendment 6.

If I voted for it(YES), then it would eliminate state funding of abortions. In other words, I voted the way Planned Parenthood would want me to vote.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 02:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

If I voted for it(YES), then it would eliminate state funding of abortions. In other words, I voted the way Planned Parenthood would want me to vote.


Alright apologies, I misread what you said.

Anyway 2 foods for thoughts:

(1) Obama's new stump speech today, apparently all positive mushy and Willard doesn't exist.

(2) Willard is campaigning in PA sunday.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 02:12 AM

LOL. It's easy to misread those silly amendments.

Obama mentioned Romney today.

No clue why Romney is in PA. Some say it's because he thinks he can't win Ohio and is looking for another road to the White House. Others say he thinks he has Ohio and is trying to sway PA for insurance.

You don't know what to believe. Each side spins it their way.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 02:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
I always thought Bush went for Amnesty knowing the Dems would vote against it, thus it would not pass, and the GOP could use that against the Dems by saying, "The Dems voted against Amnesty".


It wasnt amnesty, and the dems WOULD leap at the chance to vote for it regardless of who was in power.

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I'll respond (if not read yet) the first and third pieces you linked Dapper.

(1) I like Obama, but he's no FDR who was a master politician. In the late 1930s he prepared himself for the recession that came and survived it very well. Besides the right, if indeed their bubble of self-assurance burts and their sworn enemy is re-elected, will oppose him even if its reform that potentially they ideologically should be attracted to. (Of course the right-wing influenced ObamaCare is Socialism, so I doubt that'll matter.)

(3) Theoretically I could see Willard going Bubba on his base with triangulation. Difference is the liberal base in the 1990s were so demoralized, pussy whipped, and afraid of the GOP, they easily corralled under Bubba. The GOP base is so insane, they won't give a fuck they'll slap Willard so hard his dad 50 years ago will feel it.

I'm reminded of when Dubya boldly went for immigration reform, when he had Democratic support and who the hell knows, could've secured the GOP a permanent heavy bloc of Hispanic voting support. But nooooooo his own base whined about amnesty amnesty amnesty (which it wasn't but you can't argue with morons) and well Dubya lost his party's chance to fulfill Karl Rove's dreams of a permanent majority.


Thanks for your interesting comments Ronnie.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 02:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
LOL. It's easy to misread those silly amendments.

Obama mentioned Romney today.

No clue why Romney is in PA. Some say it's because he thinks he can't win Ohio and is looking for another road to the White House. Others say he thinks he has Ohio and is trying to sway PA for insurance.

You don't know what to believe. Each side spins it their way.


Could not agree more Skinny.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 04:24 AM

My daughter voted for the first time today. She registered, but then was going to be at school and couldn't get home for Election Day. Given that Sandy provided her with extra time home, she went to the local Board of Elections, applied for, completed and submitted her absentee ballot. She was very proud and very excited about participating for the first time.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 11:15 AM

Good for her Babe!!

By the time we get the next election here my daughter, Jennifer will be able to vote and she has started to take a bit of an interest in politics already. Keeps asking me questions and stuff. I tell her they are all a pack of shitbags but she has to vote for somebody, put a blindfold on and play eenie meenie moe...... lol

P.S. She is a big Obama fan, likes to hear him make speeches, which is good because as any good politician he obviously likes to talk tongue
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 11:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
LOL. It's easy to misread those silly amendments.

Obama mentioned Romney today.

No clue why Romney is in PA. Some say it's because he thinks he can't win Ohio and is looking for another road to the White House. Others say he thinks he has Ohio and is trying to sway PA for insurance.

You don't know what to believe. Each side spins it their way.


He definitely "doesn't have Ohio". 6 out of 7 polls have Obama leading, and the Democrats have a 3-1 advantage when it comes to boots on the ground to get out the vote. He's in PA to try a "Hail Mary" because he knows his road is narrowing by the day. McCain tried the same thing in 2008.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 11:48 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


Anyway 2 foods for thoughts:

(1) Obama's new stump speech today, apparently all positive mushy and Willard doesn't exist.

(2) Willard is campaigning in PA sunday.


Hail Mary time. Obama's firewall got stronger all week. Nate Silver has Obama's odds up to 81%, and on Intrade, Obama is up to 67%.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 01:24 PM

I was going to mention the Jobs Report today, but the last two have hada zilch poll impact. Both voting factions have settled in, a general public disconnect. 7.9% unemployment, but the number that'll be grounded into our heads this weekend will be 600K jobs added in the last 4 months. "Strong growth" from what I understand is this morning's headline, not "unemployment up."

The added jobs in August though is stunning. Originally 96,000, now upped to 192,000. Whaaat?!?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 01:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou


Hail Mary time. Obama's firewall got stronger all week. Nate Silver has Obama's odds up to 81%, and on Intrade, Obama is up to 67%.


Again we must remember what Silver predicting is probability, or basically out of 5 coin flips, it'll land 4 times.

But really Big O* has got all the momentum this week from Sandy to Cristie's hug of death (for Willard) to Bloomberg/Economist's endorsement to this positive jobs report. And worse of all, Willard is indeed acting like he's losing.

I wonder how the base will spin this defeat? Will they blame Sandy? Will they blame Willard for not being genuinely conservative enough? Will they blame the media again? Will they blame Willard for conceding that third foreign policy debate? Will they blame Willard for picking Ryan as VP instead of say the Ohio-native Portman?

*=You know its funny, I've never come up or found a good nickname for the President. I hate "Big O" only because I hear that, I think of Oprah instead and let's admit it, she has her own channel. She's bigger than the President. "Barry" is too...weirdly personal for me, I dunno. I've thought about "The Kenyan." How about that?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 02:06 PM

Watch as the same Democrats who kept dismissing (with some justification) Ras will now trump that new poll showing the race tied up at 48.

Not good for Willard.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 02:22 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Watch as the same Democrats who kept dismissing (with some justification) Ras will now trump that new poll showing the race tied up at 48.

That's because Democrats love to panic, Ronnie. You know that wink.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 02:29 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I've thought about "The Kenyan." How about that?


I like it. lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 02:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I've thought about "The Kenyan." How about that?


I like it. lol

How about the Manzier?

The Bro would be understandably too ethnic.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 02:46 PM

I'll give Obama credit, he's like Kenyan runners in marathons. They win.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I've thought about "The Kenyan." How about that?

Not unless you want us to have a clue who you are talking about. tongue
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 02:54 PM

Things are looking good for The Kenyan. I just hope the turnout is there to bring him over the hump and lock up the election.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
They tended to endorse Repub candidates unless the Repub was just a mess (i.e. 2004 and 1992).

I hate to correct you, Dap. Because you're my Bronx paisan and all. But the Republicans weren't that much of a mess in '92. Sure, the economy was in the shitter. But George HW Bush had just won a war of sorts, and if it wasn't for Ross Perot, he probably would have been re-elected.

But you were just a tyke in '92. I was already older in '92 than you are right now cry lol .
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I was going to mention the Jobs Report today, but the last two have hada zilch poll impact. Both voting factions have settled in, a general public disconnect. 7.9% unemployment, but the number that'll be grounded into our heads this weekend will be 600K jobs added in the last 4 months. "Strong growth" from what I understand is this morning's headline, not "unemployment up."

The added jobs in August though is stunning. Originally 96,000, now upped to 192,000. Whaaat?!?


Obama started with unemployment at 7.8% and it's 7.9% today.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Things are looking good for The Kenyan. I just hope the turnout is there to bring him over the hump and lock up the election.


What looks good for Obama?

He's fighting to keep Wisconsin after winning there by a big margin in 2008. Wisconsin not only elected a Republican governor, but won a big recall too. There's Republican momentum there.

He's trailing with independents in Ohio. In 2012, more absentee ballots in Ohio were requested by Republicans. In 2008 it was Democrats asking for the ballots. In Ohio, Romney leads independents. So really, Ohio can go either way.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
They tended to endorse Repub candidates unless the Repub was just a mess (i.e. 2004 and 1992).

I hate to correct you, Dap. Because you're my Bronx paisan and all. But the Republicans weren't that much of a mess in '92. Sure, the economy was in the shitter. But George HW Bush had just won a war of sorts, and if it wasn't for Ross Perot, he probably would have been re-elected.

But you were just a tyke in '92. I was already older in '92 than you are right now cry lol .


As a history buff I would have to disagree, Bush had alienated much of his conservative base by breaking his 1988 campaign pledge against raising taxes, the economy was in a recession, and Bush's perceived greatest strength, foreign policy, was regarded as much less important following the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the relatively peaceful climate in the Middle East after the defeat of Iraq in the Gulf War.

Perot did play a role in his defeat as well.
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I was going to mention the Jobs Report today, but the last two have hada zilch poll impact. Both voting factions have settled in, a general public disconnect. 7.9% unemployment, but the number that'll be grounded into our heads this weekend will be 600K jobs added in the last 4 months. "Strong growth" from what I understand is this morning's headline, not "unemployment up."

The added jobs in August though is stunning. Originally 96,000, now upped to 192,000. Whaaat?!?


Obama started with unemployment at 7.8% and it's 7.9% today.



Look at the detailed numbers, thats cause more people are confident the economy is getting better and thus re-entered the workforce.

Job growth has actually been picking up and last month was the strongest month in the past eight for new jobs.
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Things are looking good for The Kenyan. I just hope the turnout is there to bring him over the hump and lock up the election.


What looks good for Obama?

He's fighting to keep Wisconsin after winning there by a big margin in 2008. Wisconsin not only elected a Republican governor, but won a big recall too. There's Republican momentum there.

He's trailing with independents in Ohio. In 2012, more absentee ballots in Ohio were requested by Republicans. In 2008 it was Democrats asking for the ballots. In Ohio, Romney leads independents. So really, Ohio can go either way.


The positive reviews for FEMA and for Obama in the wake of the Hurricane plus the positive economic news that the economy is picking up the pace in terms of job creation.

The addition of Paul Ryan of Wisconsin to the Republican ticket does not guarantee victory over President Obama, but it cements the state’s role as a true battleground. Democrats carried the state in the last six presidential contests – often narrowly – but Republican groups are advertising to try to push the Obama campaign to spend money. Still, Mitt Romney is at the top of the ticket and must show that he can make his own case here. Most recent Wisconsin poll (Oct 28-29) has Obama leading 49 to 46.

There are few credible paths to the White House for Mitt Romney without winning Ohio, a well-established bellwether. The state has accurately picked winning presidential candidates in the last 12 elections. A steadily improving economy could help President Obama carry the state again. Large portions of the state remain conservative, but Republicans worry that Democrats may be motivated by a victory last year in which voters struck down a law restricting public workers’ rights to bargain collectively.Obama leads in Ohio 48 to 46 in recent polls. Think of it this way, if Romney was going to win Ohio he wouldnt be trying to create an alternate path to victory by trying to flip PA. Romney is getting desperate, McCain spent the last wkn of the campaign in 2008 in PA trying to do that as well.

Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I was going to mention the Jobs Report today, but the last two have hada zilch poll impact. Both voting factions have settled in, a general public disconnect. 7.9% unemployment, but the number that'll be grounded into our heads this weekend will be 600K jobs added in the last 4 months. "Strong growth" from what I understand is this morning's headline, not "unemployment up."

The added jobs in August though is stunning. Originally 96,000, now upped to 192,000. Whaaat?!?


Obama started with unemployment at 7.8% and it's 7.9% today.



what you need to understand is that while unemployment may have been around 7.8 when he took office, the economy was in the midst of a vicious downward spiral. It was recognized that it was still in the process of worsening. And 2009 was the year of his predecessor's budget.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 05:29 PM

Come on dap Ohio is more of a toss up than Pennsylvania. Romney has a legitimate shot at winning that state. Most polls have them at a dead heat. Let's not get carried away here. This is going to be a close election.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Come on dap Ohio is more of a toss up than Pennsylvania. Romney has a legitimate shot at winning that state. Most polls have them at a dead heat. Let's not get carried away here. This is going to be a close election.

It's gonna be close; can't argue with that. But I do agree that whoever wins Ohio will win the election.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Come on dap Ohio is more of a toss up than Pennsylvania. Romney has a legitimate shot at winning that state. Most polls have them at a dead heat. Let's not get carried away here. This is going to be a close election.


I COMPLETELY agree, Ohio is/should be. The fact that Romney is campaigning in PA and Michigan shows that he is trying to make viable an alternate scenario for victory in case he doesn't win Ohio.

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Come on dap Ohio is more of a toss up than Pennsylvania. Romney has a legitimate shot at winning that state. Most polls have them at a dead heat. Let's not get carried away here. This is going to be a close election.

It's gonna be close; can't argue with that. But I do agree that whoever wins Ohio will win the election.


Agreed.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don

I COMPLETELY agree, Ohio is/should be. The fact that Romney is campaigning in PA and Michigan shows that he is trying to make viable an alternate scenario for victory in case he doesn't win Ohio.



That's it. PA and Michigan are long shots, but there seems to be a thought among the Romney campaign that they've hit Ohio as hard as they can, drained every ounce of support from the State, and they can't get to the number there that they need. They are also discouraged by polling and volume of early voters.

While they certaintly can't write off Ohio, it's apparent that they can't put all of their eggs in that basket. Moreover, for Ohio to be of any consequence for Romney, he'll likely need Virginia and Florida. If he loses one of them and Obama's firewall states of PA, MI and NV, Ohio won't matter.
Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 06:28 PM

It's going to be close in OH, but most polls not skewed from Fox or MSNBC has Obama with a slight lead in Ohio. I think Obama has more paths to 270 than Romney.

If partisanship is set aside, many economists would argue that Obama inherited the worst financial disaster this country has seen since the late 1920's and early 1930's. Some have called it the Great Depression Part II. And for those of you who know history, we didn't just flip a switch and turn the economy around back then under FDR. It took YEARS to dig out of the 1929 stock market crash, the unemployment, etc. It took World War II to get this country's economy jump started again.

Several other points. While I fully admit to hating George Bush 43's presidency, I can still be objective. Bush oversaw some of the worst economic disasters in this nation's history: the aftermath of 9/11, the billions in damage from Katrina, the billions spent on fighting two wars - one in which Bush fought voluntarily, the collapse of major financial institutions, and the collapse of the housing market. No matter how some like to spin it, those events all occurred under George Bush's watch.

I don't care if Houdini or Superman succeeded Bush 43, it was a complete disaster that Obama inherited. For anyone to think that 8 years of incompetency were going to be corrected in the next term of the succeeding president, such thinking is simply not realistic.

I'm not overly happy about either of the choices for president. This country, more than ever, needs a viable third-party. But in the meantime, I'm not going to waste my vote on an out-of-touch millionaire who has no idea what ordinary Americans confront on a daily basis.

At the end of the day, Obama followed through and fulfilled some fairly ambitious 2008 campaign promises: he pulled us out of Iraq, he had bin Laden killed, and he was the first president to pass a nationwide health care system. Was the health care reform perfect? Absolutely not. If anyone was dumb enough to think it would be perfect, then shame on you. But going back to 1972 (at the very least) candidates have been talking about universal health care. That's all they have done - talk. Obama finally got something passed and had the Republican Chief Justice affirm the law as constitutional.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 06:28 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don

I COMPLETELY agree, Ohio is/should be. The fact that Romney is campaigning in PA and Michigan shows that he is trying to make viable an alternate scenario for victory in case he doesn't win Ohio.



That's it. PA and Michigan are long shots, but there seems to be a thought among the Romney campaign that they've hit Ohio as hard as they can, drained every ounce of support from the State, and they can't get to the number there that they need. They are also discouraged by polling and volume of early voters.

While they certaintly can't write off Ohio, it's apparent that they can't put all of their eggs in that basket. Moreover, for Ohio to be of any consequence for Romney, he'll likely need Virginia and Florida. If he loses one of them and Obama's firewall states of PA, MI and NV, Ohio won't matter.


Bingo.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 06:31 PM

Originally Posted By: goombah
It's going to be close in OH, but most polls not skewed from Fox or MSNBC has Obama with a slight lead in Ohio. I think Obama has more paths to 270 than Romney.

If partisanship is set aside, many economists would argue that Obama inherited the worst financial disaster this country has seen since the late 1920's and early 1930's. Some have called it the Great Depression Part II. And for those of you who know history, we didn't just flip a switch and turn the economy around back then under FDR. It took YEARS to dig out of the 1929 stock market crash, the unemployment, etc. It took World War II to get this country's economy jump started again.

Several other points. While I fully admit to hating George Bush 43's presidency, I can still be objective. Bush oversaw some of the worst economic disasters in this nation's history: the aftermath of 9/11, the billions in damage from Katrina, the billions spent on fighting two wars - one in which Bush fought voluntarily, the collapse of major financial institutions, and the collapse of the housing market. No matter how some like to spin it, those events all occurred under George Bush's watch.

I don't care if Houdini or Superman succeeded Bush 43, it was a complete disaster that Obama inherited. For anyone to think that 8 years of incompetency were going to be corrected in the next term of the succeeding president, such thinking is simply not realistic.

I'm not overly happy about either of the choices for president. This country, more than ever, needs a viable third-party. But in the meantime, I'm not going to waste my vote on an out-of-touch millionaire who has no idea what ordinary Americans confront on a daily basis.

At the end of the day, Obama followed through and fulfilled some fairly ambitious 2008 campaign promises: he pulled us out of Iraq, he had bin Laden killed, and he was the first president to pass a nationwide health care system. Was the health care reform perfect? Absolutely not. If anyone was dumb enough to think it would be perfect, then shame on you. But going back to 1972 (at the very least) candidates have been talking about universal health care. That's all they have done - talk. Obama finally got something passed and had the Republican Chief Justice affirm the law as constitutional.

Great post.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: goombah
It's going to be close in OH, but most polls not skewed from Fox or MSNBC has Obama with a slight lead in Ohio. I think Obama has more paths to 270 than Romney.

If partisanship is set aside, many economists would argue that Obama inherited the worst financial disaster this country has seen since the late 1920's and early 1930's. Some have called it the Great Depression Part II. And for those of you who know history, we didn't just flip a switch and turn the economy around back then under FDR. It took YEARS to dig out of the 1929 stock market crash, the unemployment, etc. It took World War II to get this country's economy jump started again.

Several other points. While I fully admit to hating George Bush 43's presidency, I can still be objective. Bush oversaw some of the worst economic disasters in this nation's history: the aftermath of 9/11, the billions in damage from Katrina, the billions spent on fighting two wars - one in which Bush fought voluntarily, the collapse of major financial institutions, and the collapse of the housing market. No matter how some like to spin it, those events all occurred under George Bush's watch.

I don't care if Houdini or Superman succeeded Bush 43, it was a complete disaster that Obama inherited. For anyone to think that 8 years of incompetency were going to be corrected in the next term of the succeeding president, such thinking is simply not realistic.

I'm not overly happy about either of the choices for president. This country, more than ever, needs a viable third-party. But in the meantime, I'm not going to waste my vote on an out-of-touch millionaire who has no idea what ordinary Americans confront on a daily basis.

At the end of the day, Obama followed through and fulfilled some fairly ambitious 2008 campaign promises: he pulled us out of Iraq, he had bin Laden killed, and he was the first president to pass a nationwide health care system. Was the health care reform perfect? Absolutely not. If anyone was dumb enough to think it would be perfect, then shame on you. But going back to 1972 (at the very least) candidates have been talking about universal health care. That's all they have done - talk. Obama finally got something passed and had the Republican Chief Justice affirm the law as constitutional.


I concur with Pizzaboy, this is a great post. Not because this is for Obama, but because you stated the FACTS without any of the spin.


At this point I cant wait till this thing is over next week!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I concur with Pizzaboy, this is a great post. Not because this is for Obama, but because you stated the FACTS without any of the spin.

Exactly, Dapper.

No matter what side you're on, you can't argue with facts and reasoning. And Goombah did a great job here clap.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 06:50 PM

Technically Ohio isn't necessarily for victory, but for the GOP it's a psychological barrier since they've never won without also winning Ohio. Someday they'll win without it, but until then it'll be that head gremlin wrecking the mind engine like how for generations Delaware and Missouri were both bellweather states, but no longer.

Thus the idea that Willard is more or less giving up on Ohio this late in the game is worrysome if you're a GOPer.

Then again a Democrat has never won an election without winning at least one southern (i.e. Southeast) state. Obama could very well break that "rule" next week.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 06:54 PM

Looking at that conservative-leaning Ras poll, Obama's approval is at 50%. (Disapproval 49%.)

Anyway, Bubba!



An incredulous Clinton admonished the Romney campaign for what he called total dishonesty, with one exception: Its edict that it would not be boxed in by fact-checkers.

“You got to give it to them; they told the truth then,” he joked to the receptive audience. “I’m still partial to facts, so I thought we would take a little run through the newspaper today.”

Clinton brandished several papers and read through their headlines: One trumpeted GM’s $1.4 billion profit, which topped expectations; another lauded Chrysler sales reaching a five-year high. Naturally, there was the photo of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and the president working together in the aftermath of Sandy, and Clinton noted a survey suggesting that voters favor competence over ideology.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...es__116028.html
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 07:52 PM

I applaud you goombah. Solid post. The only thing I would disagree with is who I think would do a better job giving our current circumstance. I hated bush 2 and his administration and I was encouraged by Mr Obama and his promise. But instead of reform I feel he's gone too far left economically and thats why Im voting Romney. I feel like Obamas plan for job creation and the deficit would hurt more than help. But it's all opinion and I can't understand why people can't be civil when talking politics. I have plenty of friends who disagree with me on many topics but we respect one another's opinions.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 09:03 PM

Originally Posted By: goombah
It's going to be close in OH, but most polls not skewed from Fox or MSNBC has Obama with a slight lead in Ohio. I think Obama has more paths to 270 than Romney.

If partisanship is set aside, many economists would argue that Obama inherited the worst financial disaster this country has seen since the late 1920's and early 1930's. Some have called it the Great Depression Part II. And for those of you who know history, we didn't just flip a switch and turn the economy around back then under FDR. It took YEARS to dig out of the 1929 stock market crash, the unemployment, etc. It took World War II to get this country's economy jump started again.

Several other points. While I fully admit to hating George Bush 43's presidency, I can still be objective. Bush oversaw some of the worst economic disasters in this nation's history: the aftermath of 9/11, the billions in damage from Katrina, the billions spent on fighting two wars - one in which Bush fought voluntarily, the collapse of major financial institutions, and the collapse of the housing market. No matter how some like to spin it, those events all occurred under George Bush's watch.

I don't care if Houdini or Superman succeeded Bush 43, it was a complete disaster that Obama inherited. For anyone to think that 8 years of incompetency were going to be corrected in the next term of the succeeding president, such thinking is simply not realistic.

I'm not overly happy about either of the choices for president. This country, more than ever, needs a viable third-party. But in the meantime, I'm not going to waste my vote on an out-of-touch millionaire who has no idea what ordinary Americans confront on a daily basis.

At the end of the day, Obama followed through and fulfilled some fairly ambitious 2008 campaign promises: he pulled us out of Iraq, he had bin Laden killed, and he was the first president to pass a nationwide health care system. Was the health care reform perfect? Absolutely not. If anyone was dumb enough to think it would be perfect, then shame on you. But going back to 1972 (at the very least) candidates have been talking about universal health care. That's all they have done - talk. Obama finally got something passed and had the Republican Chief Justice affirm the law as constitutional.


Problem is, Obama promised to not only lower unemployment to about 5.2% by the end of his first term, he said he'd reduce our debt by 50%.

I never believe he would or could do either, but he did say it.

And if he wins, I have no reason to believe unemployment will drop significantly or that he'll try to cut spending.
Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 10:38 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I applaud you goombah. Solid post. The only thing I would disagree with is who I think would do a better job giving our current circumstance. I hated bush 2 and his administration and I was encouraged by Mr Obama and his promise. But instead of reform I feel he's gone too far left economically and thats why Im voting Romney. I feel like Obamas plan for job creation and the deficit would hurt more than help. But it's all opinion and I can't understand why people can't be civil when talking politics. I have plenty of friends who disagree with me on many topics but we respect one another's opinions.


Thanks. I wish there were more people out there who shared your class. It IS okay to disagree with one another without the venom. I don't agree with your reasoning to vote for Romney, but I DO respect the decision. Agreeing to disagree is fine when the good of the country is the primary concern instead of shouting to have one's own point heard.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 10:41 PM

Funny you say that Skinny, PolicalWire linked a piece today about liberals afraid a re-elected Obama would try to strike a "grand bargain" with the right-wing on entitlements.

Anyway another Flashback video of election night coverage of yesteryear.

Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 10:58 PM

Honestly, I have not followed the polls but see lots of Nate The Great stuff and Drudge links.

Nate thinks Obama will win Ohio by about 3 points. That would be a big victory there. With Obama losing some white voters, and a higher GOP turnout expected, angry Catholics, less enthusiasm among young voters, I just don't think he'll be right about the margin, but could be right about the overall result.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/02/12 11:39 PM

Whatever the margin, its like a football game. Whether you win by 50 or a field goal, what matters is you win.

Doesn't this look....sorta gay?

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 01:32 AM

Despite being outraised, the Kenyan has out-advertised Willard this whole cycle.

I joked about it before I think, but seriously I wonder if somebody on Team Willard is embezzling all that money?
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 01:40 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Despite being outraised, the Kenyan has out-advertised Willard this whole cycle.

I joked about it before I think, but seriously I wonder if somebody on Team Willard is embezzling all that money?


Romney is known for being rather creative with his taxes and accounting...

Besides Romney, those GOP Super PAC's have been spending outrageous amounts of money.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don


Besides Romney, those GOP Super PAC's have been spending outrageous amounts of money.


But even on that PAC front, the Democrats have surprisingly been able to keep up with them. But I hate PACs. Seriously why the Supreme Court allowed that bastard election season monster a free pass, I'll never understand.

It really takes a shit on the whole idea of campaign finance regulations, then takes said feces and wipes it in its face just because it can.

EDIT - If I'm not joking and serious about the embezzling part, Willard aint involved. He wants to win, no fortune in the world is worth campaigning non-stop for 2 years (in his case, 8 years). I remember a recent article claiming alot of that money went into professional political consulting firms owned by Team Willard members. confused
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:09 AM

Fun Fact: James Polk 1844 is the only winner to win despite losing his native state and state where he currently lived.

Not saying Willard can't win, but the odds will be tough.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:09 AM

I think the GOP has to raise as much or more money to offset mainstream support for the Obama.

In other words, it was a fair fight this time, as opposed to 2008 when Obama outraised and outspent McCain 2-to-1 and in Virginia, 10-to-1. Complaining about not being able to raise or spend more this time gives the impression that Dems don't want a fair fight.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:13 AM

http://www.270towin.com/

Interesting little site. You can play out all sorts of scenarios on it. Me personally, both candidates have a number of way to get to 270. It's all about election day. We just don't know. The thing that shocked me was that how many states are a toss up. Just goes to show how close this actually is at this point.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
I think the GOP has to raise as much or more money to offset mainstream support for the Obama.

In other words, it was a fair fight this time, as opposed to 2008 when Obama outraised and outspent McCain 2-to-1 and in Virginia, 10-to-1. Complaining about not being able to raise or spend more this time gives the impression that Dems don't want a fair fight.


We're not talking about the campaigns themselves raising money. I'm talking about independent groups (usually associated with said campaigns) being allowed to raise unlimited money and basically become legally unhinged arms of said campaigns/parties.

Which again defeats the whole idea of campaign finance reform, making sure such corrupt bullshit doesn't pollute the political system.

Remember when Bill Maher, later joined by other left-leaning Hollywood people like Weinstein and Spielberg, donated a million bucks each to Obama's officially sanctioned PAC? Not the campaign itself, but the PAC. How is that fair?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:16 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
http://www.270towin.com/

Interesting little site. You can play out all sorts of scenarios on it. Me personally, both candidates have a number of way to get to 270. It's all about election day. We just don't know. The thing that shocked me was that how many states are a toss up. Just goes to show how close this actually is at this point.


I love that site.

But Michigan a toss up? Sure whatever.

That site does remind me of that Electoral College thread I opened up: Why does little friggin Iowa matter more in elections than California, New York, and Texas combined?
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:22 AM

Here's how I see the states now. Feel free to voice your opinion on it this is my take.

Iowa- toss up
Wisconsin- toss up
Michigan- lean Obama
Colorado- lean Romney
Nevada-lean Obama
Pennsylvania- toss up
Ohio- toss up
New Hampshire- toss up
North Carolina- lean Romney
Florida- lean Romney
Virginia- (barely) lean Romney
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:27 AM



Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:29 AM

I've been trying to get into Skinny's EV game but the one state I keep having trouble predicting is Virginia, if only because parts of it were affected, flooded by Sandy. And mind you the areas affected are Democratic-friendly areas.

Florida is also tricky, I could actually see Obama winning there. But I could also see the very opposite.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:33 AM

Seems pretty even to me Dap. You agreed with me earlier that this was going to be close.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:33 AM

9 different '12 Electoral Predix collected together, all predict Obama victory. However they differ in final score (highest Obama EV is 332, lowest is 281.)

http://www.denverpost.com/politics-natio...ve-obama-ahead/
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:36 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
9 different '12 Electoral Predix collected together, all predict Obama victory. However they differ in final score (highest Obama EV is 332, lowest is 281.)

http://www.denverpost.com/politics-natio...ve-obama-ahead/


People can speculate all they want. But I think most of these polls that have Obama ahead are assuming their will be same Democratic turnout as there was in 2008. I don't see that happening. In fact this time it's the opposite.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:36 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
http://www.270towin.com/

Interesting little site. You can play out all sorts of scenarios on it. Me personally, both candidates have a number of way to get to 270. It's all about election day. We just don't know. The thing that shocked me was that how many states are a toss up. Just goes to show how close this actually is at this point.


Who did you give Ohio to?

Those states like Ohio, Iowa, and Wisconsin are tricky. They are overwhelmingly white and not progressively liberal.

Obama got 43% of white vote in 2008. I don't think he'll get that this time. Just guessing it will be 40%. Average white vote for Dems in a Presidential is between 37%-43 so I put Obama in the middle.

Then you have to worry about a larger white turnout than 2008. I am sure more white voters will be out because Romney/Ryan is a much stronger combo than McCane/Palin.

That's why Romney is polling so high in Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa. Even Pennsylvania is tightening and it's all because more white voters support Romney than they supported McCane. The white vote is making this a close race.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:36 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Seems pretty even to me Dap. You agreed with me earlier that this was going to be close.


It will be close but at this juncture I would say Obama has a slight overall lead.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:38 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
9 different '12 Electoral Predix collected together, all predict Obama victory. However they differ in final score (highest Obama EV is 332, lowest is 281.)

http://www.denverpost.com/politics-natio...ve-obama-ahead/


People can speculate all they want. But I think most of these polls that have Obama ahead are assuming their will be same Democratic turnout as there was in 2008. I don't see that happening. In fact this time it's the opposite.


Thats not what early voting has been showing so far...but I agree it will very likely be lower.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
http://www.270towin.com/

Interesting little site. You can play out all sorts of scenarios on it. Me personally, both candidates have a number of way to get to 270. It's all about election day. We just don't know. The thing that shocked me was that how many states are a toss up. Just goes to show how close this actually is at this point.


Who did you give Ohio to?

Those states like Ohio, Iowa, and Wisconsin are tricky. They are overwhelmingly white and not progressively liberal.

Obama got 43% of white vote in 2008. I don't think he'll get that this time. Just guessing it will be 40%. Average white vote for Dems in a Presidential is between 37%-43 so I put Obama in the middle.

Then you have to worry about a larger white turnout than 2008. I am sure more white voters will be out because Romney/Ryan is a much stronger combo than McCane/Palin.

That's why Romney is polling so high in Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa. Even Pennsylvania is tightening and it's all because more white voters support Romney than they supported McCane. The white vote is making this a close race.


I agree with you on the white vote. Obama has lost a lot of favor there. But I didn't have one 'scenario' that I thought was going to happen because I can't honestly say at this point. In many scenario's that I had, Romney could lose the entire midwest. But if he got NC, Fla, and VA (all likely to go to Romney anyway) and he gets New Hampshire and Ohio he wins.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
9 different '12 Electoral Predix collected together, all predict Obama victory. However they differ in final score (highest Obama EV is 332, lowest is 281.)

http://www.denverpost.com/politics-natio...ve-obama-ahead/


People can speculate all they want. But I think most of these polls that have Obama ahead are assuming their will be same Democratic turnout as there was in 2008. I don't see that happening. In fact this time it's the opposite.


Thats not what early voting has been showing so far...but I agree it will very likely be lower.


This is the way I see it Dap. Obama didn't just win his base he also got most of the independents (like me) and crossovers from the Republican party who couldn't stand Sarah Palin back in 2008.

This time there will be NO Republicans voting for Obama whatsoever and he's lost a good chunk of independents. Plus the black vote that Obama had so much of last time will be much lower. Combine that with like Skinny said, more Republicans motivated to vote for a stronger tandem and to get Obama "out" you have a much closer of not even race.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:59 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
9 different '12 Electoral Predix collected together, all predict Obama victory. However they differ in final score (highest Obama EV is 332, lowest is 281.)

http://www.denverpost.com/politics-natio...ve-obama-ahead/


People can speculate all they want. But I think most of these polls that have Obama ahead are assuming their will be same Democratic turnout as there was in 2008. I don't see that happening. In fact this time it's the opposite.


Thats not what early voting has been showing so far...but I agree it will very likely be lower.


This is the way I see it Dap. Obama didn't just win his base he also got most of the independents (like me) and crossovers from the Republican party who couldn't stand Sarah Palin back in 2008.

This time there will be NO Republicans voting for Obama whatsoever and he's lost a good chunk of independents. Plus the black vote that Obama had so much of last time will be much lower. Combine that with like Skinny said, more Republicans motivated to vote for a stronger tandem and to get Obama "out" you have a much closer of not even race.


Gotcha, I understand your opinion. Like you, most people argue that undecided voters tend to break against the incumbent, in this case Mr. Obama. But this has also not really been true in recent elections.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/01/2012-polls-incumbent-rule_n_2061595.html?utm_hp_ref=@pollster

In some states, also, Obama is at 50 percent of the vote in the polling average, or close to it, meaning that he wouldn’t need very many undecided voters to win.

Another point that has been made is that Romney has the momentum in the polls: whether or not he would win an election today, the argument goes, he is on a favorable trajectory that will allow him to win on Tuesday. I dont buy this argument as you can see from the evidence on the right column of the table below.



That the beauty of America, we are all entitled to our viewpoints and opinion. We will see who is right next week. I cant wait till all of this is over!
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 03:05 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don


Besides Romney, those GOP Super PAC's have been spending outrageous amounts of money.


But even on that PAC front, the Democrats have surprisingly been able to keep up with them. But I hate PACs. Seriously why the Supreme Court allowed that bastard election season monster a free pass, I'll never understand.

It really takes a shit on the whole idea of campaign finance regulations, then takes said feces and wipes it in its face just because it can.

EDIT - If I'm not joking and serious about the embezzling part, Willard aint involved. He wants to win, no fortune in the world is worth campaigning non-stop for 2 years (in his case, 8 years). I remember a recent article claiming alot of that money went into professional political consulting firms owned by Team Willard members. confused


Dems havent really been able to keep up with the GOP.

The top three GOP groups spent $173 million in October while the top 3 Dem groups spent $76 million.

Among the organizations spending more than $5 million during October on independent expenditures -- typically, ads or other mass communications that overtly support or oppose federal political candidates:

1) American Crossroads, $71.64 million, mostly in opposition to Obama and in support of Romney.

2) Restore Our Future, $51.64 million, all in opposition to Obama or in support of Romney.

3) Crossroads GPS, $49.36 million, mostly in support of Romney and several Republican congressional candidates and in opposition to Obama and numerous Democratic House and Senate candidates , most notably Sen. Sherrod Brown (Ohio), Rep. Shelley Berkley (Nev.), Tim Kaine (Va.), Tammy Baldwin (Wis.) and Joe Donnelly (Ind.).

4) Priorities USA Action, $31.47 million, all in opposition to Romney.

5) House Majority PAC, $25.29 million, mostly in opposition to numerous Republican House candidates, particularly Reps. Robert Dold (Ill.), Judy Biggert (Ill.), Jim Renacci and Michael Coffman (Colo.) and candidate Randy Altschuler (N.Y.).

6) Majority PAC, $21.73 million, mostly in opposition to Republican Senate candidates, particularly Tommy Thompson (Wis.), Linda McMahon (Conn.), Rep. Todd Akin (Mo.), Richard Mourdock (Ind.) and George Allen (Va.).

7) Service Employees International Union committees, $17.8 million, in support of Obama and numerous Democratic congressional candidates and in opposition to Romney and numerous Republican congressional candidates.

8) National Rifle Association committees, $15.4 million, mostly in support of Romney and numerous Republican congressional candidates and in opposition to Obama and numerous Democratic congressional candidates.

9) Americans for Tax Reform, $15.32 million, mostly against Democratic congressional candidates, particularly Rep. Bill Owens (N.Y.), Charlie Wilson (Ohio) and Al Lawson (Fla.).

10) U.S. Chamber of Commerce, $12.79 million, mostly in opposition to numerous Democratic congressional candidates including Senate candidate and Rep. Martin Heinrich, Brown and Baldwin.

11) FreedomWorks for America, $12 million, mostly in support of numerous Republican congressional candidates such as Rep. Jeff Flake (Ariz.) and Mourdock, and in opposition to numerous Democratic candidates including Tammy Duckworth (Ill.) and Sen. Bill Nelson (Fla.).

12) American Future Fund, $10.15 million, mostly in opposition to Obama and in support of Romney.

13) Congressional Leadership Fund, $7.94 million, all in opposition to Democratic congressional candidates, particularly Rep. Betty Sutton (Ohio), Brad Schneider (Ill.) and Pat Kreitlow (Wis.).

14) League of Conservation Voters committees, $7.68 million, mostly in support of Obama and numerous Democratic congressional candidates and in opposition to Romney and numerous Republican congressional candidates.

15) Independence USA PAC, $7.32 million, mostly in support of Democratic congressional candidates Val Demings (Fla.) and Gloria Negrete McLeod (Calif.) and Republican congressional candidates Andrew Roraback (Conn.) and Dold.

16) Ending Spending Action Fund, $7.25 million, mostly in support of Romney and Republican Senate candidates including Flake and in opposition to Obama and Democratic Senate candidates including Bob Kerrey (Neb.) and Brown.

17) American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees committees, $7.01 million, mostly against Republican congressional candidates, particularly Flake, Thompson and Allen.

18) Americans for Job Security, $6.79 million, all against Obama.

19) EMILY's List's Women Vote!, $6.17 million, in opposition to numerous Republican congressional candidates, particularly Sen. Dean Heller (Nev.) and Thompson, and in support of several Democratic congressional candidates, most notably Baldwin and McLeod.

20) Planned Parenthood committees, $5.56 million, mostly in support of Obama and numerous Democratic congressional candidates and in opposition to Romney and numerous Republican congressional candidates.

21) Now or Never PAC, $5.33 million, mostly in opposition to several Democratic congressional candidates including Sen. Jon Tester (Mont.), Richard Carmona (Ariz.), Brown and Duckworth and in support of Akin.

http://www.nj.com/us-politics/index.ssf/2012/11/outside_groups_spend_500m_in_o.html
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 03:09 AM

Here's the problem with Florida for Obama. It's almost 40% black and Latino and it's a toss-up in some polls while leaning Romney in others. Toss in the Jewish vote and Florida is 40% minority because the Jewish vote is overwhelmingly Obama.

If Obama can't win a swing state with so many minorities, that he won in 2008, what's going to happen in OH, NH, WI, etc????

Obama has to win Florida, not Ohio.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 03:12 AM

I'm with you Dap. I enjoy talking politics but it gives me a headache confused

Anyway the only poll I really trust is Rasmussen which is one of the best I think. They have Romney up marginally or tied so you could make arguments either way. But I agree we will have to see next Tuesday. Who knows what will happen!
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 03:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Here's the problem with Florida for Obama. It's almost 40% black and Latino and it's a toss-up in some polls while leaning Romney in others. Toss in the Jewish vote and Florida is 40% minority because the Jewish vote is overwhelmingly Obama.

If Obama can't win a swing state with so many minorities, that he won in 2008, what's going to happen in OH, NH, WI, etc????

Obama has to win Florida, not Ohio.


Ohio is very important for Romney, but Florida is one of the keys for Obama.

There's the whole issue of voter suppression which is a real concern IMO especially when the former State GOP chairman says he was in meetings with other GOPer's where they actively discussed ways to suppress the minority vote in Florida.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 05:21 AM

@WSJwashington: Obama holds an edge over Mitt Romney in Florida (49%-47%) and Ohio (51%-45%) , new WSJ/NBC/Marist polls show.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 06:20 AM

Not sure why WSJ uses a D+9 sample for Ohio but I guess we'll find out Tuesday night. Or Wednesday morning.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 11:26 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
@WSJwashington: Obama holds an edge over Mitt Romney in Florida (49%-47%) and Ohio (51%-45%) , new WSJ/NBC/Marist polls show.


Ronnie that's coming from NBC. I don't trust their polls as far as I can throw a sumo wrestler. FOX is biased too. Real clear politics has them at a dead heat in Ohio and a Romney slight edge in Florida and I'm more willing to bet on that than super liberal NBC and WSJ.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo


Ronnie that's coming from NBC. I don't trust their polls as far as I can throw a sumo wrestler. FOX is biased too. Real clear politics has them at a dead heat in Ohio and a Romney slight edge in Florida and I'm more willing to bet on that than super liberal NBC and WSJ.


RCP does not have Ohio as a dead heat. Their average of polls has Obama with a solid 2.9% lead. Of the 11 Ohio polls, Obama is up in 10, and tied in 1.

Obama is probably not winning Florida, but it won't matter. Even without it, he's on pace to win 290 electoral votes.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 03:04 PM

I can't wait until it's over, one way or the other.

The very fact that people are arguing over whether or not polls are accurate (fucking polls!!), speaks volumes about the divide in this country.

No matter what happens Tuesday, roughly 50% of the population is going to COMPLETELY LOATHE the winner---whoever he is---for the next four years (and probably well beyond that).

It's really sad. This election in particular has made me lose all my faith in the two party system. I'm an Independent voter as of this coming Wednesday. My political ideals will remain the same, of course. But I'm done with fucking politicans, their flunkies, and most of all I'm done with those talking heads on television. To the Left I like Stephanopoulos and to the Right I enjoy George Will. You can keep the rest of them.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 03:06 PM

I enjoy all this election bullshit, despite living in a state where my vote means nothing.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 05:30 PM

As crazy as this will sound from me of all people, even the local righties will agree with me that Team Willard today is really losing their composure as if they've decided they can't win and already are concerned with self-preservation and finding somebody to blame, which is each other.

Consider that report today coming from "sources close to the Romney campaign" (translation: leaked from the inner circle) where Romney's original VP pick was Christie and in fact some staff members allegedly were taken by surprise with the Ryan pick.

Now why leak this days before tuesday? Perhaps they're trying to undercut Christie after what he did during Sandy and try to paint him as being a bitter jilted bride? Maybe they're trying to blame Ryan, hang him as the scapegoat? Or begin using the argument that Romney would've won if not for Sandy.

So Ryan, now publicly thrown under the bus as a 2nd choice (and buyers remorse by his boss's people), his people are already publicly talking (anonymously of course) about what he might do if his ticket loses Tuesday. (No running mate does this if they really believe they will win, or have a chance of winning.)

I read all this, and I'm baffled by this defeatist attitude. Sure the polling momentum seems to have gone against them (reverse "Mittmentum") and the electoral odds are against them. But they still have a shot of winning.

Seriously this isn't 1964 or 1984 or 1972 when the outcome wasn't exactly in doubt. 2012 is still a close election, but the fact that camp has lost their nerve is really unnecessary, and well if you don't think you can win, why should your supporters?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 05:51 PM

Many Republicans have their panties in a bunch over Governor Christie praise of President Obama after Sandy. Rupert Murdcok tweeted a request that Christie "re-delcare" for Romney or take blame for next four years.

smile

TIS

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/rupert-murdoch-chris-christie-romney_n_2068630.html
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 06:20 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Rupert Murdcok tweeted a request that Christie "re-delcare" for Romney or take blame for next four years.

That's ridiculous, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him bow to the pressure of the almighty Fox News rolleyes.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 07:00 PM

Fox News wants Obama to win. He's good for their ratings.

For some reason, I don't think people in Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa will change their vote or be motivated to come out instead of staying home because of Christie, or Obama's response to Sandy.

I already voted and most key swing states already cast up to 25% of votes.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 08:00 PM

Union thugs arrested for taking down Romney signs.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf...t_river_default
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 08:05 PM

Around here, all the guns and ammo dealers are rooting for Obama. After his election in '08, people went so crazy to stock up on guns and ammo that prices doubled. They're expecting an encore if he wins now.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Around here, all the guns and ammo dealers are rooting for Obama. After his election in '08, people went so crazy to stock up on guns and ammo that prices doubled. They're expecting an encore if he wins now.


Which is plain silly, considering he has not lobbied for any gun control laws at all.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 09:21 PM

LOL!!!

Obama made a pledge during the debates to push for an assault weapons ban and tougher hand gun laws.

His voting record against guns before becoming President speaks for itself.

I'm all for strict registration of guns and ammo and even I think Obama will get tough on guns in his second term. He just has to wait for another massacre to push it when it's a hot topic again.

LOL!!!
Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 10:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I enjoy all this election bullshit, despite living in a state where my vote means nothing.


That comment is EXACTLY why the electoral college needs to go. Your vote should matter Lou. It's a joke that it is rendered meaningless.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/03/12 10:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
LOL!!!

Obama made a pledge during the debates to push for an assault weapons ban and tougher hand gun laws.

His voting record against guns before becoming President speaks for itself.

I'm all for strict registration of guns and ammo and even I think Obama will get tough on guns in his second term. He just has to wait for another massacre to push it when it's a hot topic again.

LOL!!!


Did you just make a LOL! sandwich?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 12:15 AM

hello Ronnie, how are you today?

I'm close to switching my prediction.

I had Obama winning 275-263.

Now I think Romney is going to take it. Susquehanna poll had Romney ahead in PA by 4. Minnesota newspapers have it a tie today.

Why would Minnesota be in play? It is in some polls. I'll talk about that later.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 12:19 AM

I don't think Romney has lost momentum Ronnie rather it's been a trend since Denver. He's gained so much on Obama these past few months I wouldnt be surprised if he won come Tuesday. But if Obama won that also wouldn't shock me, that's how close it is.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 02:28 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I don't think Romney has lost momentum Ronnie rather it's been a trend since Denver. He's gained so much on Obama these past few months I wouldnt be surprised if he won come Tuesday. But if Obama won that also wouldn't shock me, that's how close it is.


Obama is telling voters to get "revenge" by voting against Romney. LOL @ "revenge". Is he running for POTUS or class president in a high school?

Obama is likable but very small time. Using this language shows that his advisers know it's going to be a very close election.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 02:55 AM

Meanwhile, over at Fox News tonight lol :

Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 03:00 AM

I'll be the first one to say that will not be the case come election day. But I still think Romney can pull 275 maybe 280 votes. Obama could very well get the same amount.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 03:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Meanwhile, over at Fox News tonight lol :




Seriously???? That was on Fox news? Or is that a joke? lol lol



TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 03:28 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette



Seriously???? That was on Fox news? Or is that a joke? lol lol



100% true. I was flipping channels, saw this, and immediately took a picture. lol
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 03:33 AM

Why is it so funny?

It's one man's prediction. Barone.

He thinks OH, PA, NH, and WI will flip for Romney thus his prediction. Looking at recent polls, each state is going to be close.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 03:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Why is it so funny?

It's one man's prediction. Barone.

He thinks OH, PA, NH, and WI will flip for Romney thus his prediction. Looking at recent polls, each state is going to be close.


You're leaving out: IA, NV, MN, MI, CO, VA, FL, and the best, NJ. So basically, Romney now is going to win every single battleground state that he is currently losing 3 days before the election, and as a bonus, turn a couple of solid blue states red. wow. lol
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 04:15 AM

Romney- VA, FLA, NC, WI, CO

Obama- IA, NH, MN, MI, NV

Can't predict- OH, PA: I wouldn't be surprised if they went either way. Those two states decide the election.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 04:38 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Can't predict- OH, PA: I wouldn't be surprised if they went either way. Those two states decide the election.


Romney is not winning PA or WI, and the fact he's going to PA later today shows his campaign believes he isn't winning Ohio.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 04:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Obama is telling voters to get "revenge" by voting against Romney. LOL @ "revenge". Is he running for POTUS or class president in a high school?

Obama is likable but very small time. Using this language shows that his advisers know it's going to be a very close election.


Willard is just pissed he didn't come up with the line that would've done wonders for him. (More so than the POTUS.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 04:44 AM

Various pundits give their EV/PV predictions.

I would love to have some of that shit Cramer is smoking.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/opinions/outlook-crystal-ball-contest/
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Can't predict- OH, PA: I wouldn't be surprised if they went either way. Those two states decide the election.


Romney is not winning PA or WI, and the fact he's going to PA later today shows his campaign believes he isn't winning Ohio.


Romney was in Ohio on Friday and drew 20,000. He can't spend every day in Ohio. That state is already over-saturated.

The fact that sick old Bill Clinton has to be bothered spending all day in PA shows the Obama administration knows it could be a toss up. I'll bet the final NY Times poll on Monday or Tuesday puts PA in the toss up column.

Wisconsin has been fighting back since 2010. Biden was there with Clinton too. Another toss up state.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Romney was in Ohio on Friday and drew 20,000. He can't spend every day in Ohio. That state is already over-saturated.

The fact that sick old Bill Clinton has to be bothered spending all day in PA shows the Obama administration knows it could be a toss up. I'll bet the final NY Times poll on Monday or Tuesday puts PA in the toss up column.

Wisconsin has been fighting back since 2010. Biden was there with Clinton too. Another toss up state.


You can believe whatever you want, but the fact is Obama has an average poll lead of 5 points in both PA and WI, and 3 points in OH. There isn't a single poll out there showing Romney leading in any of them. That's a total of about 25 polls. More importantly, Obama has reached or exceeded 50% in many of the polls in all 3 states. Romney hasn't reached 50% in any. You can call these states toss-ups if you like, but it just isn't so.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:50 AM

As much as I personally despise her, she seems to be actually right on the money when she said this back last year. She later took it back, but prophetic it remains. Possibly.

"Romney will be our nominee and we will lose." - Anne Coulter
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:57 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
As much as I personally despise her, she seems to be actually right on the money when she said this back last year. She later took it back, but prophetic it remains. Possibly.

"Romney will be our nominee and we will lose." - Anne Coulter


I wonder if she still wants Chris Christie to be the nominee. wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:05 AM

It wasn't easy for Anne to tear down those Tiger Beat posters of Christie off her walls.

Now this tweet made me laugh.

Bill Maher:

Quote:
Looking forward to James Bond movie; Obama's like him cuz he's cool, has license to kill; and Mitt's like him cuz he's been 6 different guys
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:08 AM

This might be very cynical, but maybe Christie is just mad at Romney for not being picked as Veep, hence his fox news comment. Wasn't he considered as a running mate?
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Romney was in Ohio on Friday and drew 20,000. He can't spend every day in Ohio. That state is already over-saturated.

The fact that sick old Bill Clinton has to be bothered spending all day in PA shows the Obama administration knows it could be a toss up. I'll bet the final NY Times poll on Monday or Tuesday puts PA in the toss up column.

Wisconsin has been fighting back since 2010. Biden was there with Clinton too. Another toss up state.


You can believe whatever you want, but the fact is Obama has an average poll lead of 5 points in both PA and WI, and 3 points in OH. There isn't a single poll out there showing Romney leading in any of them. That's a total of about 25 polls. More importantly, Obama has reached or exceeded 50% in many of the polls in all 3 states. Romney hasn't reached 50% in any. You can call these states toss-ups if you like, but it just isn't so.


Be consistent. You can't say Romney going to PA is proof he gave up on OH then when I point out Clinton is spending lots of time in OH, you go back to quoting polls.

What are we doing Lou? Looking at polls or looking at stops the campaigns make to determine where they think they are weak?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Be consistent. You can't say Romney going to PA is proof he gave up on OH then when I point out Clinton is spending lots of time in OH, you go back to quoting polls.

What are we doing Lou? Looking at polls or looking at stops the campaigns make to determine where they think they are weak?



I give up. rolleyes
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:32 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
This might be very cynical, but maybe Christie is just mad at Romney for not being picked as Veep, hence his fox news comment. Wasn't he considered as a running mate?


Christie has always claimed he had no interest in VP. Personally, I think Christie never wanted Romney to win in the first place. It's no secret around here that Christie has his eyes on the White House. If Romney won, he'd have to wait until 2020, then fight Ryan for the nomination if Romney serves 2 terms. If Obama wins, Christie is probably still the favorite to win the nomination despite his bro-fest with Obama this week.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:42 AM

Guys, just imagine if Willard had picked Christie. (Or Christie had accepted it.)

This past week's political narrative would've been a whole lot different. Probably.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:46 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Guys, just imagine if Willard had picked Christie.

This past week's political narrative would've been a whole lot different. Probably.


I can't even imagine how it would have played out. Would CC and Obama be flying around on Marine One together? Would CC still lay on the heavy praise for President Obama? I think the polls in PA and Ohio would be a lot different.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou


I can't even imagine how it would have played out. Would CC and Obama be flying around on Marine One together? Would CC still lay on the heavy praise for President Obama?


My cynical gut would say the political narrative around that disaster would've been even more nasty and even border on the tasteless. I could see both still touring, with some people quipping the GOP nominated the wrong guy on top of the ticket.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:49 AM

Definitely not. Republicans had no problem getting what they wanted from Obama and still spit in his face. What Christie did was punch in Romney's gut. lol
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:54 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

My cynical gut would say the political narrative around that disaster would've been even more nasty and even border on the tasteless. I could see both still touring, with some people quipping the GOP nominated the wrong guy on top of the ticket.


It would have been the ultimate in awkwardness. After months of Christie playing attack dog against Obama, he'd be forced to appear with Obama and at least give him lukewarm praise.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:56 AM

Isn't the vice presidential nominee supposed to resign his previous office? Would Christie still be governor?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 06:57 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Isn't the vice presidential nominee supposed to resign his previous office? Would Christie still be governor?


Nope. In fact Biden got "re-elected" for another Senate term in '08, when he got elected VP. Nixon was still California Senator when he was elected VP.

And so forth, so forth.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:00 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Isn't the vice presidential nominee supposed to resign his previous office? Would Christie still be governor?


I don't think there is anything to make a candidate resign as Governor to run as VP. If he became VP, obviously he'd have to resign. Paul Ryan is still running for re-election in Wisconsin. ...And from the amount of money his campaign is spending, he must think he's going to need the job next year. wink
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:01 AM

Oh, well. Stewart showed a clip of Christie previously saying that Obama can't find a light switch in the room. From what I know from GOP side, they wouldn't give the other side praise, unless there's Machiavellian motivation. wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:08 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Oh, well. Stewart showed a clip of Christie previously saying that Obama can't find a light switch in the room. From what I know from GOP side, they wouldn't give the other side praise, unless there's Machiavellian motivation. wink


It should be mentioned (if not already) that Christie was this year's RNC Keynote Speaker, a prestigious offer usually given by the nominee. So I guess that's why we were surprised when a media tycoon like Murdoch outright threatened him. (Why not just phone tap him like you do everybody else, Rupert?)

If Hearst was alive and tweeting, well no I can't compare him to Murdoch. Hearst was American at least.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Be consistent. You can't say Romney going to PA is proof he gave up on OH then when I point out Clinton is spending lots of time in OH, you go back to quoting polls.

What are we doing Lou? Looking at polls or looking at stops the campaigns make to determine where they think they are weak?



I give up. rolleyes


You'll see Wednesday that PA, WI and OH were all within margin of error.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:15 AM

LOL @ Christie being VP or even thinking he can be a candidate for President.

He's a 400 pound blowhard from the north. Americans hate people from up north, Italian in particular, and see us Italians as corrupt violent ethnics who take pride in people like John Gotti and behave like the cast of Jersey Shore or Mob Wives.

That's why such shows are popular. America sees these shows as a window into the world of Italian-Americans.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:19 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
It should be mentioned (if not already) that Christie was this year's RNC Keynote Speaker, a prestigious offer usually given by the nominee. So I guess that's why we were surprised when a media tycoon like Murdoch outright threatened him. (Why not just phone tap him like you do everybody else, Rupert?)

If Hearst was alive and tweeting, well no I can't compare him to Murdoch. Hearst was American at least.


Well, this is not really surprising to me. Christie giving Obama praise is surprising, but this isn't. That's how GOP operates. That's how democratic agendas are in a deadlock in the House. They never compromise or work with dems, let alone praise them.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Be consistent. You can't say Romney going to PA is proof he gave up on OH then when I point out Clinton is spending lots of time in OH, you go back to quoting polls.

What are we doing Lou? Looking at polls or looking at stops the campaigns make to determine where they think they are weak?



I give up. rolleyes


Just to be clear, what do "toss up" or "in play" mean to you? To me it means the margin of victory ends up being 3% points or less.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:54 AM

Flashback:

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 02:05 PM

Tracking polls show independent voters are moving back to Obama?

http://t.co/2MrunykP
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 02:27 PM

Assuming that we get re-election this week, care if we look at the crystal ball for '16?

No no don't worry, I won't be posting a "Election 2016" thread. Dear lord we all need a breather from this last cycle. But you know, there is no harm in speculation.

Biden would be the presumptive favorite for his party as Vice-President, but he'll be 73. It'll be Ego vs Age since he twice ran unsuccessfully for the top prize, would he be able to turn down this closest shot he'll ever get of winning the Oval Office for himself?

(God knows President Biden would be a goldmine for comedy wrtiers.)

Then one name that keeps popping up, regardless of who wins this week, is Cuomo. But let me throw out a crazy conspiracy theory.

What if...Hillary? What if she takes a breather after quitting as Secretary of State, then for the '14 mid-terms she comes back politically to campaign for state candidates, setting the stage for a possible 2nd national run in '16? She would have her claims to the retiring Obama's Presidency, but also if some bad shit happens in the 2nd term (Just ask Bubba), she could distance herself directly away from it. Of course she'll be 69, so there's that.

But regardless I think unless the economy really really kicks major ass in the 2nd term and not just slow but steady recovery, I think the '16 GOP nominee will be the favorite to win. If only because it's very hard to win 3 national elections in a row. Not impossible of course, but the odds are just against you.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 02:41 PM

Hear the Fiercest Campaign Speeches of ’12 (That’s 1912)

http://blog.aarp.org/2012/11/01/who-are-...n-Speeches-of-?
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Romney was in Ohio on Friday and drew 20,000. He can't spend every day in Ohio. That state is already over-saturated.

The fact that sick old Bill Clinton has to be bothered spending all day in PA shows the Obama administration knows it could be a toss up. I'll bet the final NY Times poll on Monday or Tuesday puts PA in the toss up column.

Wisconsin has been fighting back since 2010. Biden was there with Clinton too. Another toss up state.


You can believe whatever you want, but the fact is Obama has an average poll lead of 5 points in both PA and WI, and 3 points in OH. There isn't a single poll out there showing Romney leading in any of them. That's a total of about 25 polls. More importantly, Obama has reached or exceeded 50% in many of the polls in all 3 states. Romney hasn't reached 50% in any. You can call these states toss-ups if you like, but it just isn't so.


FMWB just released a poll this morning showing Romeny with a one point lead in MI 47-46

Pitt Tribune has the race tied this morning at 47-47

Rasmussens last Ohio poll has the race tied at 49-49 (he's the only pollster not using a D+5 to D+7 skew in turnout and is therefore the most accurate)

Most elections show late breaking voters go to the challenger when an incumbent is running.

Every poll show Romney leading among independents.

Romney still has an edge at this point. And while I think they both have a shot at winning, you're incorrect in assuming that the Romney campaign can't win in Ohio, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin. I'll repeat what I've been saying: this will be close and no one is running away with it.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 04:37 PM

Tuesday cant come soon enough.






Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 04:51 PM

Here's what doesn't make sense Dap. The fact that the race is pretty much tied. But Obama has a slam dunk in the electoral college race. You got your statisitics from the Huffington Post: the only other website/blog just as liberal as NBC, and please don't try to tell me they aren't. Where are they based? New York City, otherwise known as the most liberal place on the planet.

Any accurate polling (such as Rasmussen) does not have Obama leading in swing states rather it has Romney up by four percent. Because NBC and Huff think that the Democratic turnout will be the same. It will not. This race is closer than ever.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 04:57 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Here's what doesn't make sense Dap. The fact that the race is pretty much tied. But Obama has a slam dunk in the electoral college race. You got your statisitics from the Huffington Post: the only other website/blog just as liberal as NBC, and please don't try to tell me they aren't. Where are they based? New York City, otherwise known as the most liberal place on the planet.

Any accurate polling (such as Rasmussen) does not have Obama leading in swing states rather it has Romney up by four percent. Because NBC and Huff think that the Democratic turnout will be the same. It will not. This race is closer than ever.


NYC is not the most Liberal place in the world. Rasmussen is well-known to lean-Republican, they even host GOP fundraisers for Christ's sake.

LOL, are you serious? These are polls of polls! That means that they look at EVERY single poll from both sides (see above) and average them out to get a percentage for each candidate. Polling has nothing to do with the number of people who turned out last time, it is about likely voters now. Stats and probability, somebody I am very well-versed in both which I took numerous classes in Business school.

For the record this is from 538 and Huff post which are both Polls of polls! This is the most overall accurate picture. You can choose to ignore it but the facts speak for themselves, even the GOP happy Fox news has the race tied.

This is ridiculous, I am not going to debate the veracity of polls that are a survey of various polls put together. I cant wait till this is over.

Let's just hold on tight till Tuesday and look at the final results.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
What if...Hillary?


I never thought it as a what if. It pretty much is going to happen.

//

I don't think this race is that close. Frankly, I'm not sure why even people consider anyone from GOP side, I remember Ronnie saying that anyone from GOP side would be buried by the consequences of GWB's era, economy collapse of 2009 and Iraq war for years to come. And yet, here we are, 4 years after all that and some think it's a good idea to put someone in the White House that says would give tax breaks to the rich and would reduce the national debt. As if that's mathematically possible.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Here's what doesn't make sense Dap. The fact that the race is pretty much tied. But Obama has a slam dunk in the electoral college race. You got your statisitics from the Huffington Post: the only other website/blog just as liberal as NBC, and please don't try to tell me they aren't. Where are they based? New York City, otherwise known as the most liberal place on the planet.

Any accurate polling (such as Rasmussen) does not have Obama leading in swing states rather it has Romney up by four percent. Because NBC and Huff think that the Democratic turnout will be the same. It will not. This race is closer than ever.




Let's just hold on tight till Tuesday and look at the final results.


I agree. We clearly have different viewpoints on this and they won't change. All we can do is wait.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:16 PM

Some possible candidates on both sides for 2016 IMO include

Hillary Clinton
Chris Christie
Andrew Cuomo
Paul Ryan (depends if Romney wins in 2012 or not)
Condi Rice..?


anybody else?
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
What if...Hillary?


I never thought it as a what if. It pretty much is going to happen.

//

I don't think this race is that close. Frankly, I'm not sure why even people consider anyone from GOP side.


There are many on the other side who would say the same thing about any Democratic candidate. Try to be a little more objective. You can disagree with Romney and his policies, but keep in mind politics is mostly opinion. There are many reasons why people consider Romney rather than Obama and vice versa.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:21 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Here's what doesn't make sense Dap. The fact that the race is pretty much tied. But Obama has a slam dunk in the electoral college race. You got your statisitics from the Huffington Post: the only other website/blog just as liberal as NBC, and please don't try to tell me they aren't. Where are they based? New York City, otherwise known as the most liberal place on the planet.

Any accurate polling (such as Rasmussen) does not have Obama leading in swing states rather it has Romney up by four percent. Because NBC and Huff think that the Democratic turnout will be the same. It will not. This race is closer than ever.


Let's just hold on tight till Tuesday and look at the final results.


I agree. We clearly have different viewpoints on this and they won't change. All we can do is wait.


Agreed, and for the record Rasmussen has the race tied at 49% as of today.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows the race tied with President Obama and Mitt Romney each attracting support from 49% of voters nationwide. One percent (1%) prefers some other candidate, and another one percent (1%) remains undecided. These figures include both those who have already voted and those likely to vote. Obama leads among those who have already voted, while Romney leads among those deemed likely to vote. Thirty-nine percent (39%) of voters are projected to be Democrats and 37% Republicans.

The Rasmussen Reports Electoral College projections now show the president with 237 Electoral Votes and Romney 206. The magic number needed to win the White House is 270. Eight states with 95 Electoral College votes remain Toss-ups: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio,Virginia and Wisconsin.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...l_tracking_poll
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

There are many on the other side who would say the same thing about any Democratic candidate. Try to be a little more objective. You can disagree with Romney and his policies, but keep in mind politics is mostly opinion. There are many reasons why people consider Romney rather than Obama and vice versa.


Saying something doesn't make it so. The facts are facts. They don't change when you change parties. You can't give tax breaks and reduce national debt. That's a fact, regardless of your party if you are truly objective.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

There are many on the other side who would say the same thing about any Democratic candidate. Try to be a little more objective. You can disagree with Romney and his policies, but keep in mind politics is mostly opinion. There are many reasons why people consider Romney rather than Obama and vice versa.


Saying something doesn't make it so. The facts are facts. They don't change when you change parties. You can't give tax breaks and reduce national debt. That's a fact, regardless of your party if you are truly objective.


You also can't spend a trillion dollars a year and reduce a national debt. That's a fact as well.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:25 PM

I know Hillary has said she isn't interested in running BUT I can see her in the mix. Bill would love the spotlight lol AND be a big plus for her IMHO. I've heard possibility of Kerry taking over Hillary's job which seems ok I guess. Has any Sec. of State done a two terms? Seriously, it seems so stressful. Hillary is doing a great job but looks totally drained. I would guess 4 years is plenty.

I've heard Biden's name come up tho for some reason, I don't know that he'll do it. I don't know a lot about Andrew Coumo (Mario's son I assume?) but he seems like a possible candidate no?

NOW, since Sandy, I can see Christie entering the fray in a better position, tho I don't know how people will take to his sarcastic manner. If it's between Christie & Ryan tho, I would think Christie would take it.


TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I know Hillary has said she isn't interested in running BUT I can see her in the mix. Bill would love the spotlight lol AND be a big plus for her IMHO. I've heard possibility of Kerry taking over Hillary's job which seems ok I guess. Has any Sec. of State done a two terms? Seriously, it seems so stressful. Hillary is doing a great job but looks totally drained. I would guess 4 years is plenty.

I've heard Biden's name come up tho for some reason, I don't know that he'll do it. I don't know a lot about Andrew Coumo (Mario's son I assume?) but he seems like a possible candidate no?

NOW, since Sandy, I can see Christie entering the fray in a better position, tho I don't know how people will take to his sarcastic manner. If it's between Christie & Ryan tho, I would think Christie would take it.

TIS


I was going to put Biden on the list but didnt cause a decent portion of the populace considers him a joke (I dont for the record).

Andrew is the son of Mario Cuomo and current popular Governor of NY.

I have also heard about Kerry taking over Sec of State which I think would be a good choice since he has tons of experience in foreign affairs from his Senate work.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:32 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
You also can't spend a trillion dollars a year and reduce a national debt. That's a fact as well.


Not necessarily. For instance if you tax people 2 trillion dollars, you can spend one per year and one to reduce the debt. lol

The difference is, what you say is have no income and yet somehow magically spend it on military adventures.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:36 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Hillary is doing a great job but looks totally drained. I would guess 4 years is plenty.


Oh, she has. I'm really please with the way she has structured the team regarding Iran. The speaker is absolutely fantastic. Speaks great Persian and is following our news very closely. I'm sure they're the one advising on the crippling sanctions too. Great job all around.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
You also can't spend a trillion dollars a year and reduce a national debt. That's a fact as well.


Not necessarily. For instance if you tax people 2 trillion dollars, you can spend one per year and one to reduce the debt. lol

The difference is, what you say is have no income and yet somehow magically spend it on military adventures.


Now while I don't think the wealthy should be given more tax cuts, they shouldn't be taxed more either, that's stupid as hell. The people who go out and spend on the economy forced to give up more than they already pay? I want to see loopholes closed, but the tax rate should not increase.

Romney appeals to me as someone who knows the how run an economy, the President's plan to me doesn't add up. He didn't even have a plan until he scraped up a little blue pamplet at the last minute. That doesn't impress me as an independent voter.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Now while I don't think the wealthy should be given more tax cuts, they shouldn't be taxed more either, that's stupid as hell. The people who go out and spend on the economy forced to give up more than they already pay? I want to see loopholes closed, but the tax rate should not increase.

Romney appeals to me as someone who knows the how run an economy, the President's plan to me doesn't add up. He didn't even have a plan until he scraped up a little blue pamplet at the last minute. That doesn't impress me as an independent voter.


A worker on a payroll that makes average of $45000 per year pays 35% tax on their payroll. Why should a shareholder then pay 14% or less on their shares of a company, while they've not actually gone to work? Is that fair? They are not saying rich should pay more than middle class. They say how about they pay just as much? What's wrong with 30% that the middle class pays?

Simple math defies any Goper's plan. Anybody who says otherwise is either a filthy rich person who doesn't want to pay their fair share or is ignorant and misinformed.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
What if...Hillary?

I never thought it as a what if. It pretty much is going to happen.

I'm in the minority, but I really think Hillary may ride off into the sunset.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'm in the minority, but I really think Hillary may ride off into the sunset.

Well, I wouldn't go that far, but I'd put good money on her entering the ring for 2016. That's what she has always wanted. Getting it is a whole different matter. I'd like her to be the fist woman president. But there's lots of hate toward her that's unfortunate. Some of it is because she is not exactly a politician and says the wrong things, and some of it because women hate her for not leaving Bill.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:28 PM

Yeah, I don't think she's electable for the reasons you've stated, Afs. That's why I hope that she doesn't run again. It took so much out of her last time. After all of her hard work, you'd hate to see her go out with another loss.

Right now I'd have to say that Andrew Cuomo will be the frontrunner for Democratic nominee in 2016. But four years is an ETERNITY in politics.

Silly for me to even speculate smile.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:40 PM

I don't know, a Clinton riding out into the sunset? lol If she doesn't do it in 2016 I don't think she will. I'll say one thing tho, President Obama is lucky to have Bill on his team. The guy can really work a crowd. The Republicans on the other hand. What can they do, call W (I'm refraining from calling him my pet name)? panic Btw, hardly a peep out him hu?




TIS
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 07:49 PM

Some say Obama isn't a politician, but I disagree. He did the unthinkable, I mean those of us who followed the primary did see how Hillary and Obama teared each other apart, but then he appointed her as his secretary of state. He practically brought the democratic party together. And she did an amazing job as secretary of state. Those who wanted a more supportive approach toward the movements in the middle east don't know about the politics of the region. The US's foreign policy there was just as it should have been.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:00 PM

Yea, toward the end of the 08 campaign she kind of pissed me off because I thought she was getting kind of nasty and Bill too (imagine that,nasty in a political campaign) lol . The fact that President Obama picked her for his Sec./State and seeing the great job she is doing, along with Bill making the rounds promoting President Obama says a lot IMHO.

Off hand, if she doesn't run, I can't think of a female (right or left) that could be a contender can you?



TIS
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:02 PM

How about Michele Obama? grin
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:06 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
How about Michele Obama? grin



I love Michelle, but seriously doubt she'd be interested. She IS a great First Lady though IMHO

smile

TIS
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:14 PM

Well, assuming Obama wins this round, the 16 probably goes to a republican. I don't think dems have it in them to win three terms in a row anyway. ohwell
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
He did the unthinkable, I mean those of us who followed the primary did see how Hillary and Obama teared each other apart, but then he appointed her as his secretary of state.

To paraphrase the Godfather, that was a matter of "keeping your friends close but your enemies closer."

If she didn't end up on BO's team, she would have knocked him as a talking head for four years. And he'd be looking at an uphill battle this week. She wouldn't have run against him. She'd never tear the party apart a la Teddy Kennedy in 1980. But she would have made his re-election an uphill climb this year.

I still don't believe there's any love lost there. But they're both smart enough to realize that other old proverb: The enemy of my enemy is my friend wink.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:19 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
I don't think dems have it in them to win three terms in a row anyway. ohwell

No party does, Afs.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:21 PM

If Romney loses, I think they'll put Ryan up. He's young, handsome and conservative. I don't think that Christie, who is a bit too NY (even though he's not a New Yorker in the literal sense) and far too moderate, would ever get the nod.

I don't think Hillary will run. Although she and her husband will always be the power couple in party, I think she's done. As for Cuomo, lots of people thought his dad would get the nomination back in the day, and then his career crashed and burned. Who knows?
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:24 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
To paraphrase the Godfather, that was a matter of "keeping your friends close but your enemies closer."

If she didn't end up on BO's team, she would have knocked him as a talking head for four years. And he'd be looking at an uphill battle this week. She wouldn't have run against him. She'd never tear the party apart a la Teddy Kennedy in 1980. But she would have made his re-election an uphill climb this year.

I still don't believe there's any love lost there. But they're both smart enough to realize that other old proverb: The enemy of my enemy is my friend wink.


Yeah, but he didn't have to make her secretary of state. You can say it's the most prestigious office under the president. She got to actually plan foreign policy which she seemed to enjoy more than other aspects of presidency. Anyway, this is the sort of experience that if she is wise enough she can walk away with and be content.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:24 PM

Christie is no more electable than Rudy was. He's a blowhard from the Northeast. I doubt he'll even get nominated.

And I've said this before, even though it's far from politically correct: Christie is too fat for anyone to take seriously on a national scale. I'm not saying it's right, but people who can't control their weight look gluttonous and weak in the eyes of many.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Anyway, this is the sort of experience that if she is wise enough she can walk away with and be content.

That's what I'm hoping for smile.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:32 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
And I've said this before, even though it's far from politically correct: Christie is too fat for anyone to take seriously on a national scale.


No pun intended? lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:33 PM

Call it a Freudian slip grin.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 08:35 PM

Ha ha ha!!!! Nice catch SB! lol





TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 10:04 PM

Cordell Hull was Secretary of State for almost 12 years under FDR. (Only resigned a few months before his boss died.)

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
If Romney loses, I think they'll put Ryan up. He's young, handsome and conservative. I don't think that Christie, who is a bit too NY (even though he's not a New Yorker in the literal sense) and far too moderate, would ever get the nod.

I don't think Hillary will run. Although she and her husband will always be the power couple in party, I think she's done. As for Cuomo, lots of people thought his dad would get the nomination back in the day, and then his career crashed and burned. Who knows?


What if it's Cuomo v. Christie in '16?

I just wonder if Willard loses, how will the GOP react? Sure they'll blame Sandy and the media* and Christie and Ryan and Not Raising Enough money and so forth in the immediate aftermath. But look at the Senate, where polls suggest the Dems will retain it. (Even in '10's landslide midterms for the GOP, they still found a way to lose the Senate.)

How will the party look at themselves? Will the base continue to marshall their (unelectable) Senate candidates down the party's throats? Will the base blame Willard for not being legitimately conservative enough to pass the voter smell test? Will more reasonable people blame the base for going too nuts and losing themselves an election that could've been theirs?

The immediate reaction might even get worse if Willard loses and all these guys on Fox News telling them repeatedly that the polls are biased, we're gonna win and we're gonna win in a landslide! Then wake up wednesday to find...neither happened?

*=Despite large segments (OK most) of the media against them, Eisenhower '56, Nixon '72, Reagan '80/'84, and Bush Sr. '88 all kicked electoral ass back when there was no Fox News. Blaming a biased media is a lameass excuse.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 10:05 PM

(Minority) Voter Suppression in Florida?

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/1...gop-stronghold/

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/04/3081614/florida-democratic-party-files.html
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/04/12 10:39 PM

I voted in Florida. We started early voting last Saturday. People have had plenty of time to vote.

We were warned that the ballot is 6 pages long, with a lot of amendments(I voted in favor of abortion, as an example).

No suppression. Just stupidity.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Now while I don't think the wealthy should be given more tax cuts, they shouldn't be taxed more either, that's stupid as hell. The people who go out and spend on the economy forced to give up more than they already pay? I want to see loopholes closed, but the tax rate should not increase.

Romney appeals to me as someone who knows the how run an economy, the President's plan to me doesn't add up. He didn't even have a plan until he scraped up a little blue pamplet at the last minute. That doesn't impress me as an independent voter.


A worker on a payroll that makes average of $45000 per year pays 35% tax on their payroll. Why should a shareholder then pay 14% or less on their shares of a company, while they've not actually gone to work? Is that fair? They are not saying rich should pay more than middle class. They say how about they pay just as much? What's wrong with 30% that the middle class pays?

Simple math defies any Goper's plan. Anybody who says otherwise is either a filthy rich person who doesn't want to pay their fair share or is ignorant and misinformed.


You just assume what you think is right and that's wrong. Spoken like a true liberal, ignoring the other side of an argument and holding yourself up like you're the savior of the world.

My father is a successful real estate business man. He worked from the ground fucking up to establish his company and get to where he is today. He's part of the 1% of rich America and the 5% Obama wants to tax more. You're saying he's a filthy rich dog who doesn't work and is ignorant? The wealthy (most of them) work hard to get to where they are today. Anyone else could do the same thing. Fact is the rich should not have to pay more than they already do. Close the loopholes but do not raise the rate. They shouldn't have to foot the bill for another weak Obama plan.

You may not agree with me. I don't agree with you. But I respect you're opinion. Respect mine please. I do not call you ignorant, don't refer me as such either.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 01:14 AM

I think Obama actually wants tax rates to go back to pre-Bush era, which means a tax hike for almost everyone. He did say it at one of the debates.]

What people forget is that Clinton is the one who lowered cap gains and inheritance taxes. People focus on Bush tax cuts and ignore the fact that Clinton got the ball rolling.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 01:35 AM

123, I think you need a drink or a Valium or something. What the heck?? You really need to just relax, especially for someone who refers to themselves as "independent", you seem to get your back up against anyone who speaks in favor of the President's agenda.

Several times, I've heard mention of these "loopholes" that Governor Romney wants to close to raise money to lower the deficit. I've repeatedly asked WHICH loopholes are to be closed. I don't know, and I would like someone to give me specifics. However, nobody has ever answered that question.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
123, I think you need a drink or a Valium or something. What the heck?? You really need to just relax, especially for someone who refers to themselves as "independent", you seem to get your back up against anyone who speaks in favor of the President's agenda.


I apologize if I seemed a little heated. People don't have to agree with me at all that's fine, but he used the quote "filthy rich, doesn't want to pay their fair share, and ignorant". That's insulting and not just to me but many other people in this country as well. He gave off the impression that what he thought he was "right" and anyone else who didn't was an idiot.

That's why I got fiery. However I acknowledge that we all have our opinions on politics. But the reason I back Romney is mainly because I get the impression almost everyone on here accepts the President's agenda without question and that the GOP are idiots. That's not the case. That's why I'm an independent. I lived in South Carolina for two years, you would not believe how conservative they are it's nauseating and I despised it. But I see the other side of that spectrum here.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 02:07 AM

I don't think that the GOP are idiots. I think they have some idiots (Sarah Palin), but every group has that weird cousin, no? lol While the Governor isn't stupid by any means, he can seem that way because he is out of touch with the average man. When he doesn't know what a doughnut is called, that's tells me something. Like I said, not stupid, but might be clueless. Big difference.

I don't accept anything without question (which is why I want to know more about those loopholes), but I do feel that Governor Romney was born of privilege and doesn't have any clue what "normal" people go through on a day to day basis. I think he wants to make sure to keep the class structure exactly the way it is.

I think the President, on the other hand, knows both sides. He's been poor and now he's very rich. He understands middle class struggle, and I think he's a better choice. I also agree with his ideology vs. Mr. Romney's.

That's why I've made my choice. A different GOP candidate and maybe my vote would be different, but I cannot vote for Governor Romney.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 02:18 AM

And whether or not I agree with you, I respect your opinion. The reason I got heated was that I felt Afs was not respecting mine.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 03:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
I voted in Florida. We started early voting last Saturday. People have had plenty of time to vote.

We were warned that the ballot is 6 pages long, with a lot of amendments(I voted in favor of abortion, as an example).

No suppression. Just stupidity.


If you say so W.A.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 03:23 AM

You have to love the way people fight to the death for their side.

You have one guy who will cut things and no matter what he cuts will have people up in arms so he tries to be vague.
and the other side brands him with the fear factor so you should give him a chance and by the way, he is super rich so he doesn't know the avg. person...so he can not be a good leader.

The other guy has had four years to show what he could do and we should close our eyes to what he didn't do and what he did wrong and tries to plays it off as I was left with this mess, give me more time.....and by the way, don't worry, I am going to make the other guy pay for it! And what person doesn't want the other guy to pay for it!

Thank God this crap and bullshit will all be over by Wednesday. The bad part is.... we will start a whole new cycle the following day! People are already starting to talk 2016 already.....
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 03:40 AM

Just 48 more hours. Right? RIGHT?!? It would be nice to watch another football game without election ads inbetween my guys in pads hitting each other for million$.

Ryan: Obama Threatens Judeo-Christian Values

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/ryan-obama-plan-compromisesthose-judeo-christ
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:06 AM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
You have one guy who will cut things and no matter what he cuts will have people up in arms so he tries to be vague.

Or perhaps he's being vague because he doesn't have a clue what he's going to cut. He has no obligation to be specific? Don't people have the right to know what they're voting for?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:15 AM

But I thought cutting PBS would solve our deficit?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:17 AM

BTW, in random amusing news, Neil Diamond tweeted that he's working the phones for Obama. "Amusing" because I didn't know he used Twitter.

~If he called me, I would ask WTF was he thinking with that JAZZ SINGER remake he did.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:18 AM

"Neil, why are you in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and not say KISS?"

"....umm, yeah." *cough* "You wanna vote for Obama?"
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:39 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
But I thought cutting PBS would solve our deficit?



I have nothing against PBS. Just don't think the taxpayer should be spending money on it. Sesame Street is worth hundreds of millions of dollars thanks to PBS exposure. Let them and donors keep it alive somehow. Not taxpayers.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


I have nothing against PBS. Just don't think the taxpayer should be spending money on it. Sesame Street is worth hundreds of millions of dollars thanks to PBS exposure. Let them and donors keep it alive somehow. Not taxpayers.


The funding for PBS and NPR is 1/100th of 1% of the federal budget, and costs the average taxpayer about $1.45 a year.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:55 AM

Skinny, I know you're just following your news "sources" but PBS over time has gotten less. And less. And less federal funding. In fact now it's what, .0001 something # of the federal budget?

Of all the wasteful spending in our government, that is the target? How less serious can one be about cutting fat? What about the price gouging or overpaying military contractors that nobody (especially in the mainstream right) ever bitches about?

I'm reminded of that line from the movie INDEPENDENCE DAY about the Pentagon. I can't remember it accurately, but from Judd Hirsch:

"$50,000 for a hammer. $100,000 for a toilet seat!"
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 05:36 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
You just assume what you think is right and that's wrong. Spoken like a true liberal, ignoring the other side of an argument and holding yourself up like you're the savior of the world.

My father is a successful real estate business man. He worked from the ground fucking up to establish his company and get to where he is today. He's part of the 1% of rich America and the 5% Obama wants to tax more. You're saying he's a filthy rich dog who doesn't work and is ignorant? The wealthy (most of them) work hard to get to where they are today. Anyone else could do the same thing. Fact is the rich should not have to pay more than they already do. Close the loopholes but do not raise the rate. They shouldn't have to foot the bill for another weak Obama plan.

You may not agree with me. I don't agree with you. But I respect you're opinion. Respect mine please. I do not call you ignorant, don't refer me as such either.


For the record I never called the like of your father a dog. That's your doing. I said filthy rich, which simply means very rich. The fact stands. They pay 14% tax on their income and middle class pays over 20 to even 30% depending on their size of family and dependents. You say they shouldn't be taxed more, I ask why not pay as much as middle class pays? Isn't that just fair? Closing the loopholes means cutting those deductions that middle class gets yet again.

And I said you are EITHER filthy rich, OR misinformed and ignorant which again means misinformed. You are obviously the former. So stop playing us by saying you are independent, you're obviously a republican and favor their agenda. As for respect for opinions, I really can't respect such opinions that favor unfairness and exploiting the middle class. I respect that you are entitled to your opinion, but that's as far as I go. If I respected every opinion, I'd have to stop criticizing every crazy religious, economical, or political opinion that's out there.
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 05:39 AM

Yesterday, the NY Daily News in their Sunday edition came out with an editorial officially endorsing Romney.

Very surprising, and somewhat disappointing considering the Daily News used to pride itself on being a voice of/for the "average person."

Still, coming only a couple of days before the election, I would imagine most people have already made up their minds who they're voting for. I really wonder if this endorsement will sway many (or any) voters at this late date.

Still, IMO, their editorial stance was surprising.


Signor V.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 05:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli
Yesterday, the NY Daily News in their Sunday edition came out with an editorial officially endorsing Romney.

Very surprising, and somewhat disappointing considering the Daily News used to pride itself on being a voice of/for the "average person."

Still, coming only a couple of days before the election, I would imagine most people have already made up their minds who they're voting for. I really wonder if this endorsement will sway many (or any) voters at this late date.

Still, IMO, their editorial stance was surprising.


Signor V.


I read it this morning, and I thought I was reading the NY Post.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 05:55 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
You just assume what you think is right and that's wrong. Spoken like a true liberal, ignoring the other side of an argument and holding yourself up like you're the savior of the world.

My father is a successful real estate business man. He worked from the ground fucking up to establish his company and get to where he is today. He's part of the 1% of rich America and the 5% Obama wants to tax more. You're saying he's a filthy rich dog who doesn't work and is ignorant? The wealthy (most of them) work hard to get to where they are today. Anyone else could do the same thing. Fact is the rich should not have to pay more than they already do. Close the loopholes but do not raise the rate. They shouldn't have to foot the bill for another weak Obama plan.

You may not agree with me. I don't agree with you. But I respect you're opinion. Respect mine please. I do not call you ignorant, don't refer me as such either.


For the record I never called the like of your father a dog. That's your doing. I said filthy rich, which simply means very rich. The fact stands. They pay 14% tax on their income and middle class pays over 20 to even 30% depending on their size of family and dependents. You say they shouldn't be taxed more, I ask why not pay as much as middle class pays? Isn't that just fair? Closing the loopholes means cutting those deductions that middle class gets yet again.

And I said you are EITHER filthy rich, OR misinformed and ignorant which again means misinformed. You are obviously the former. So stop playing us by saying you are independent, you're obviously a republican and favor their agenda. As for respect for opinions, I really can't respect such opinions that favor unfairness and exploiting the middle class. I respect that you are entitled to your opinion, but that's as far as I go. If I respected every opinion, I'd have to stop criticizing every crazy religious, economical, or political opinion that's out there.


First off I don't call my dad anything of the sort. Secondly don't tell me what I am because I am not a republican, I do not support all of their agenda. There are some things about their agenda that I do support and some things about the democratic agenda I support. So don't be an idiot and tell me what I am politically.

I repeat again do not try to call me ignorant or misinformed when it's you who cannot speak objectively or see the other side of an argument. I agree with some of the things president Obama has done. But I feel he's taking us in the wrong direction economically. It's not ignorance it's a goddamn opinion. You have every right to criticize something that's arrogant, hateful, nonsensesical, or crude. But I am none of these things.

Now to clear up what I said earlier, I am in favor to close loopholes so the rich cant make deductions and pay less. But taxing the rich more does nothing. It does nothing to help our economy or to cut our deficit. In the end everyone is going to be paying more for obamacare.

This is not about a class war which is what you're making it. It's about finding common ground to solve our nations problems. That's what we all should be focusing on. Not squabbling.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:07 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
First off I don't call my dad anything of the sort. Secondly don't tell me what I am because I am not a republican, I do not support all of their agenda. There are some things about their agenda that I do support and some things about the democratic agenda I support. So don't be an idiot and tell me what I am politically.

I repeat again do not try to call me ignorant or misinformed when it's you who cannot speak objectively or see the other side of an argument. I agree with some of the things president Obama has done. But I feel he's taking us in the wrong direction economically. It's not ignorance it's a goddamn opinion. You have every right to criticize something that's arrogant, hateful, nonsensesical, or crude. But I am none of these things.

Now to clear up what I said earlier, I am in favor to close loopholes so the rich cant make deductions and pay less. But taxing the rich more does nothing. It does nothing to help our economy or to cut our deficit. In the end everyone is going to be paying more for obamacare.

This is not about a class war which is what you're making it. It's about finding common ground to solve our nations problems. That's what we all should be focusing on. Not squabbling.


You don't even read my post. I said either this or that, and obviously you are the former, meaning you are rich and not ignorant, (well, your dad is rich, so you are and will be) and understandably you do not want to pay more taxes. This doesn't mean you are right or what you like is fair. This IS a class warfare. Why should middle class pay a higher percentage than the rich and bear the weight of the country on their shoulders? I don't think taxing middle class this much is helping the economy either. I think I'd settle for everyone paying the same percentage.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


I have nothing against PBS. Just don't think the taxpayer should be spending money on it. Sesame Street is worth hundreds of millions of dollars thanks to PBS exposure. Let them and donors keep it alive somehow. Not taxpayers.


The funding for PBS and NPR is 1/100th of 1% of the federal budget, and costs the average taxpayer about $1.45 a year.


Good. We should use that money to fix a bridge. Feed homeless New Yorkers affected by Sandy. Funding for the VA. We don't need to spend any money on PBS.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 07:25 AM

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 08:42 AM

Vintage newspaper article from October 1984.

Mondale Upset Win Predicted

http://t.co/bNERTSr3
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 09:58 AM

Hell, I'm still reeling over Tricky Dick Nixon's landslide victory back in 1972!

Since I was (barely) not old enough to vote when that debacle occurred, I've always wondered if my vote would have actually made a difference! wink


Signor V.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 01:11 PM

Afsaneh77 you misjudge me yet again. My father was wealthy and I did grow up in a well to do home. But I am not rich. You wanna know what I do? I'm jazz/blues musician in a band and I work at a small deli. I have no more money than anyone else in this world and for the record I don't take a cent off my dad.

This is the problem I've had with President Obama, he's trying to make this whole election and problems a class war. What does that do other than pit Americans against each other and missing the whole issue? This is not about class. The rich Americans pay MORE taxes in this country because they have more money. But the middle class taxes should be lowered. In fact it's stupid to raise taxes on anyone in our fragile economy right now. That doesn't help growth it discourages it.

One of the things that Paul Ryan has right is that we need to cut a lot of federally funded programs. I wish he would cut military spending but he is economically conservative, and I feel like that's the kind of precense we need in the white house, not a president who spends money like a drunken sailor.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 01:40 PM

Looks like it is open season on the rich!

Why are so many, so worried about what someone else is paying or not paying....why not worry more about where you money is being spent?

Why not worry about tons and tons of red tape or all the rules that now make it almost impossible for people to start or run their business. They are keeping people from getting ahead or keeping them from competing in an open market.

and let all of us make those who serve in Government stop worrying if they are D or R and do what is right for the people instead of what will hurt the so call other side..
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 02:25 PM

^^^couldnt agree more
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 03:13 PM

Ah the destructive simplicity of ideology, and those who relish in it within a chaotic, amibigious world.

Which regulations to be precise are so evil? Most regulations more likely than not were imposed in the first place for good rational reasons, not because somebody wanted to murder commerce. I know for some people they mindlessly yell "bad regulations!" until something bad happens, then they demand action, which case they get...more regulations. Somebody dump chemicals in the river and reaches the drinking water supply and people get sick? Duh.

I won't say all regulations are necessary, or necessary anymore unlike the past when they were originally imposed. But which ones exactly you two? Don't give me another blanket statement, we've gotten enough of them this election season.

Then again we live in a time when just because you're make a ton of money, you're now considered a job-creating tycoon like Jobs or Carnegie. With that wonderful bulletproof logic, how about we promote the Mob to office? They're good at making money and "employing" people. How about hookers? Don't diss the jobs they help create with pimps and drug dealers. THEY CREATE JOBS!!!! Willard was a parasite. But he made money!!!!!!!

People like Bill Gates and Carnegie and even Vince McMahon and his pro wrestling corporate empire (his wife is running for Senate this year), they did things that I personally don't approve of. But you can't argue against the fact that they all changed the world around them, or at the least the industries they dominated and kicked in the balls. That impact, with the rest of business/industry responding to what you do, impresses me much more than all the bajillion bucks made from goddman equity.

Then again, standards have been slipping. There was a time when GOP Senate candidates don't call women who get abortions more evil criminals than rapists. Times change.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 03:23 PM

Re Linda McMahon. I'm not surprised that she's running again. When wealthy conservatives run and lose (like McMahon did in 2009), for some reason they almost always run again the next time out.

And Chris Murphy will win by double digits this time. McMahon doesn't have a prayer.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Re Linda McMahon. I'm not surprised that she's running again. When wealthy conservatives run and lose (like McMahon did in 2009), for some reason they almost always run again the next time out.

And Chris Murphy will win by double digits this time. McMahon doesn't have a prayer.


Even if Linda was a Democrat, I wouldn't want her to win. Any McMahon (specifically Vince) get near to a body of real power that will impact the rest of us. They're vicious, ruthless people. I'm still angered back in the day when on live TV they mocked announcer Jim Ross's cerebral palsy. (And this was entertaining how?) Let them fester in their little corporate fiefdom where they can't involve the rest of us.

(Yes let us wrestling fans be stuck with them. We're used to it by now.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:02 PM

Do pray the election doesn't boil down to Ohio. Or so this article claims we'll get Florida 2000 all over again.

Quote:
"The contours of the legal dispute aren't narrowing, as some legal disputes do at this stage of an election contest, but instead are growing... Ohio will be counting its provisional ballots for days or even weeks past Tuesday... Anyone rooting for a resolution Tuesday night (or early Wednesday) ought to hope that it doesn't all come down to Ohio. If it does, it will be weeks -- and one judicial hearing after another -- before we have an answer."


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...weekend/264498/
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:02 PM

I remember the Jim Ross thing. That was awful.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:05 PM

Mitt Romney's backers have begun calling him "Mr. President."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/us/pol...m_source=buffer
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 04:08 PM

I saw that article this morning, Ronnie.

It was pretty Romney-friendly for the New York Times.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 05:00 PM

There's been a lot of talk about PA being in play. It's not. The GOP last won here in 1988 and in EVERY presidential election since the Republican candidate claimed that PA was a toss up and visited the state, claiming to win it. If it were seriously a toss up, Obama would have been here, not just Clinton or Biden.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 05:37 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Vintage newspaper article from October 1984.

Mondale Upset Win Predicted

http://t.co/bNERTSr3

The day before the election 2008, Romney claims McCain is leading in the battlegrounds, and is going to win by a landslide. ...McCain lost every single state Mitt predicted a win.

Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:07 PM

My prediction is that Obama wins and garners 300+ electoral votes. I think he'll take Virginia, Ohio, New Hampshire, Iowa and Colorado. He might steal Florida too.

The only person who'll feel the pain of a possible Romney defeat worse than Mitt is Karl Rove, who'll have to explain to his deep pocketed pals, from whom he's collected billions, how he lost.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
There's been a lot of talk about PA being in play. It's not. The GOP last won here in 1988 and in EVERY presidential election since the Republican candidate claimed that PA was a toss up and visited the state, claiming to win it. If it were seriously a toss up, Obama would have been here, not just Clinton or Biden.



If Obama wins PA by just 2.5% points, will that convince that the state was at least in play?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:15 PM

Final prediction. Obama: 303, Romney: 235
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:24 PM

Does ANYONE think there is a good chance that Romney wins popular and Obama wins electoral? Because at this rate, if the Elec. Vote estimates are correct, Obama wins regardless of popular right?

smile

TIS
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:31 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
My prediction is that Obama wins and garners 300+ electoral votes. I think he'll take Virginia, Ohio, New Hampshire, Iowa and Colorado. He might steal Florida too.

The only person who'll feel the pain of a possible Romney defeat worse than Mitt is Karl Rove, who'll have to explain to his deep pocketed pals, from whom he's collected billions, how he lost.


That's way too high. No way Obama gets 300. Romney will win Virginia and Colorado and Florida. Ohio is the toss up. If Obama wins he'll be in the 270s at most.
My final prediction- Romney 277 Obama 261
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does ANYONE think there is a good chance that Romney wins popular and Obama wins electoral? Because at this rate, if the Elec. Vote estimates are correct, Obama wins regardless of popular right?

Yes, Obama still wins just like Bush did in 2000.

The scenario is definitely possible, but unlikely because Obama needs turnout to win the election. If for some reason he gets low turnout and loses the popular vote, more than likely he loses the election too. There's nothing to suggest he won't get the turnout, but stranger things have happened.

Edit: One other thing. Obama is probably going to lose several hundred thousand votes in NY and NJ due to people not voting because of the storm. While it won't affect the outcome in these states, it will slightly affect the popular vote.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does ANYONE think there is a good chance that Romney wins popular and Obama wins electoral? Because at this rate, if the Elec. Vote estimates are correct, Obama wins regardless of popular right?

Yes, Obama still wins just like Bush did in 2000.

The scenario is definitely possible, but unlikely because Obama needs turnout to win the election. If for some reason he gets low turnout and loses the popular vote, more than likely he loses the election too. There's nothing to suggest he won't get the turnout, but stranger things have happened.


I really would prefer that does NOT happen but you know what they say about paybacks. wink

TIS
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:35 PM

Iv'e heard a lot about marginal states, swing votes etc etc over the last week. I just want to ask the Americans on this board, who will be President in a couple of days? I keep reading conflicting news. Just your winner.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:37 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does ANYONE think there is a good chance that Romney wins popular and Obama wins electoral? Because at this rate, if the Elec. Vote estimates are correct, Obama wins regardless of popular right?

smile

TIS


Yes. Popular vote is of no consequence nationally. That seems to be deadlocked though Obama seemingly has more avenues to electoral victory than Romney if the polls are accurate.

If the EVs are split 269-269, the House decides and Romney would win. But in that event the Vice-President is selected by the Senate, and the Democrats could elect Biden, and then we'd have President Romney an Vice-president Biden. If the Senate is tied 50-50, then Biden casts the deciding vote.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


I really would prefer that does NOT happen but you know what they say about paybacks. wink

TIS


If you listen to the Obama campaign, they have a much larger/better ground game than 2008, and expect a huge turnout.

If you listen to the Romney campaign, Democratic enthusiasm is down, and they expect a much smaller turnout.

Who knows. It will probably be somewhere in between.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
[


That's way too high. No way Obama gets 300. Romney will win Virginia and Colorado and Florida. Ohio is the toss up. If Obama wins he'll be in the 270s at most.
My final prediction- Romney 277 Obama 261 [/quote]

Most pundits and polls view Florida as a much closer race than Ohio, where Obama seems to be holding on to a three point lead. I'd be more surprised if Romney takes Ohio than Florida going to Obama despite the voting chaos down there.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1


Most pundits and polls view Florida as a much closer race than Ohio, where Obama seems to be holding on to a three point lead. I'd be more surprised if Romney takes Ohio than Florida going to Obama despite the voting chaos down there.


This is very true. Obama is much closer in Florida (some say he's winning), than Romney is in Ohio. Hell, Obama is just as close or closer in North Carolina, than Romney is in Wisconsin, Iowa, Nevada, or Ohio.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:45 PM

Florida is close because of the minority demographics down here. I always laughed at polls showing Romney ahead by 6. I think whoever wins Florida wins it by 1.5%-2.0% of vote. But we also have a very strong Evangelical base and they are much more energized than in 2008.

PA will be won by about 2.5% points as well and that will make the GOP put more focus on that state in the future.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:47 PM

Both sides are spinning like crazy. I think Obama's firewall in th midwest will hold and he'll win with 277 to 290. I think he has Nevada and New Mexico in play, and to a lesser extent Colorado. If he wins Virginia or Florida, early, its game, set and match.

I do see a chance Obama could win a squeaker in the electoral college but lose the popular vote.

As anyone who reads my posts knows, I am pro- Obama, a total partisan, etc., but good lord will I be happy when this is over. THe constant advertising, e mails and facebook stuff is nuts.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

PA will be won by about 2.5% points as well and that will make the GOP put more focus on that state in the future.


It's not going to happen. Take away 1 poll that shows the race tied, Obama has about 5 point lead there. Even Rasmussen's latest poll shows Obama with a 5 point lead.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Mitt Romney's backers have begun calling him "Mr. President."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/us/pol...m_source=buffer


When John Kerry went to bed in 2004, Bob Schrum said "Goodnight Mr. President."
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 06:52 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Both sides are spinning like crazy. I think Obama's firewall in th midwest will hold and he'll win with 277 to 290. I think he has Nevada and New Mexico in play, and to a lesser extent Colorado. If he wins Virginia or Florida, early, its game, set and match.


New Mexico? confused Obama has a double digit lead there.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 07:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Both sides are spinning like crazy. I think Obama's firewall in th midwest will hold and he'll win with 277 to 290. I think he has Nevada and New Mexico in play, and to a lesser extent Colorado. If he wins Virginia or Florida, early, its game, set and match.


New Mexico? confused Obama has a double digit lead there.


Lou your right on that ^ doesn't Gold Ole' Mick Claim to be part Mexican or of his Hispanic Descent. I love his informerical l when he says " ill get people better jobs, i'll work with ya!" Like we're going to have a face to face sit down with the guy lol
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 07:01 PM

The real danger I see is a too close to call vote in Fla or Ohio, or worse irregularities. Both states have GOP Secretaries of state and neither of them are above shennagins such as the ones plled in Fla. in 2000. I would rather see Romney win clearly than have another Bush v. Gore.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 07:02 PM

Early vote totals for Florida up until Saturday night. Not too surprising Dem are ahead here. Saturday had a record turnout for early voting in Florida.

Dems 1,109,262 (46%)
Reps 862,277 (35.75%)
Inds 440,133 (18.25%)

TOTAL 2,411,672

Here is what is very surprising. Dems holding their own in asentee voting. Republicans usually blow Dems out here:

Absentee/mail-in totals:

Dems 806,310
Reps 885,675
Inds 365,736

TOTAL 2,057,721
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

PA will be won by about 2.5% points as well and that will make the GOP put more focus on that state in the future.


It's not going to happen. Take away 1 poll that shows the race tied, Obama has about 5 point lead there. Even Rasmussen's latest poll shows Obama with a 5 point lead.


"Even" Rasmussen? Ok. Well, when did Rasmussen last update Pennsylvania? Oct 25?

Over the weekend, about four different polls came out showing a tie in PA. Both campaigns believe those polls which is why they have spent unusual amount of time in PA over the weekend.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Over the weekend, about four different polls came out showing a tie in PA. Both campaigns believe those polls which is why they have spent unusual amount of time in PA over the weekend.


4? Show me please. I've found only one.

When was the last time Obama set foot in PA? Romney is doing the same thing McCain did in 2008. It's called attempting to expand the map. His path to victory is closing raidly because he is behind in just about every single battleground state. You can say it's close, but he's behind everywhere except Florida. He's going to PA as a last ditch effort to try and find an opening. McCain did the same thing in the final days of 2008, and then the Republicans claimed he had pulled ahead there. He lost PA by 10 points.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
The real danger I see is a too close to call vote in Fla or Ohio, or worse irregularities. Both states have GOP Secretaries of state and neither of them are above shennagins such as the ones plled in Fla. in 2000. I would rather see Romney win clearly than have another Bush v. Gore.

Absolutely, DT. That's my fear; that it's too close and the Republicans will steal it.

If they're going to win, I'd rather them win comfortably. We don't want the divide in this country to grow wider than it already is. Not to mention the fact that it would set race relations back at least twenty years.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Over the weekend, about four different polls came out showing a tie in PA. Both campaigns believe those polls which is why they have spent unusual amount of time in PA over the weekend.


4? Show me please. I've found only one.


I remember Susquehanna and Pittsburgh Post Gazette and can't remember the two others. But Rasmussen has not updated PA in over a week and a half.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 07:20 PM

Latest Polls from Ohio. We'll see how it turns out. Obama holding 3.0% lead.
Code:
RCP Average	        10/23 - 11/4	--	--	49.7	46.7	Obama +3.0

Ohio Poll/Univ of Cin.	10/31 - 11/4	901 LV	3.3	50	49	Obama +1
SurveyUSA	        11/1 - 11/4	803 LV	3.5	49	44	Obama +5
Rasmussen Reports	11/4 - 11/4	750 LV	4.0	49	49	Tie
PPP (D)           	11/3 - 11/4	1000 LV	3.1	52	47	Obama +5
Columbus Dispatch*	10/24 - 11/3	1501 LV	2.2	50	48	Obama +2
NBC/WSJ/Marist	        10/31 - 11/1	971 LV	3.1	51	45	Obama +6
CNN/Opinion Research	10/30 - 11/1	796 LV	3.5	50	47	Obama +3
WeAskAmerica	        10/30 - 11/1	1649 LV	2.6	50	46	Obama +4
Gravis Marketing	10/27 - 10/27	730 LV	3.6	50	49	Obama +1
CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac	10/23 - 10/28	1110 LV	3.0	50	45	Obama +5
Purple Strategies	10/23 - 10/25	600 LV	4.0	46	44	Obama +2
ARG	                10/23 - 10/25	600 LV	4.0	49	47	Obama +2



Latest VA:
Code:
RCP Average	        10/22 - 11/4	--	--	48.0	47.7	Obama +0.3

Rasmussen Reports	11/4 - 11/4	750 LV	4.0	48	50	Romney +2
NBC/WSJ/Marist	        11/1 - 11/2	1165 LV	2.9	48	47	Obama +1
PPP (D)	                11/3 - 11/4	975 LV	3.1	51	47	Obama +4
WeAskAmerica       	10/30 - 11/1	1069 LV	3.0	49	48	Obama +1
Gravis Marketing	10/26 - 10/26	645 LV	3.9	48	48	Tie
CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac	10/23 - 10/28	1074 LV	3.0	49	47	Obama +2
Roanoke College	        10/23 - 10/26	638 LV	4.0	44	49	Romney +5
Purple Strategies	10/23 - 10/25	600 LV	4.0	47	47	Tie
Washington Post	        10/22 - 10/26	1228 LV	3.5	51	47	Obama +4
FOX News	        10/23 - 10/24	1126 LV	3.0	45	47	Romney +2


Latest Florida:
Code:
 
RCP Average      	10/22 - 11/4	--	--	49.5	47.7	Romney +1.8

Florida Times-Union	11/4 - 11/4	437 LV	4.6	52	47	Romney +5
PPP (D)             	11/3 - 11/4	955 LV	3.2	49	50	Obama +1
TBT/Herald/Mason-Dixon	10/30 - 11/1	800 LV	3.5	51	45	Romney +6
NBC/WSJ/Marist	        10/30 - 11/1	1545 LV	2.5	47	49	Obama +2
WeAskAmerica      	10/30 - 10/30	1146 LV	3.0	50	49	Romney +1
Gravis Marketing	10/30 - 10/30	549 LV	4.2	50	47	Romney +3
CNN/Opinion Research	10/25 - 10/28	770 LV	3.5	50	49	Romney +1
SurveyUSA	        10/25 - 10/27	595 LV	4.1	47	47	Tie
CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac	10/23 - 10/28	1073 LV	3.0	47	48	Obama +1
Rasmussen Reports	10/25 - 10/25	750 LV	4.0	50	48	Romney +2
Sunshine State News/VSS	10/22 - 10/24	1001 LV	3.1	51	46	Romney +5


Latest Wisconsin:
Code:
RCP Average	      10/25 - 11/3	--	--	50.4	46.2	Obama +4.2

PPP (D)	              11/2 - 11/3	1256 LV	2.8	51	48	Obama +3
WeAskAmerica	      10/30 - 11/1	1210 LV	3.0	52	45	Obama +7
Rasmussen Reports     10/29 - 10/29	750 LV	4.0	49	49	Tie
NBC/WSJ/Marist	      10/28 - 10/29	1065 LV	3.0	49	46	Obama +3
Marquette University  10/25 - 10/28	1243 LV	2.8	51	43	Obama +8

Latest Iowa:
Code:
RCP Average	        10/28 - 11/4	--	--	48.7	46.3	Obama +2.4

PPP (D)	                11/3 - 11/4	1122 LV	2.9	50	48	Obama +2
ARG	                11/2 - 11/4	600 LV	4.0	48	49	Romney +1
Des Moines Register	10/30 - 11/2	800 LV	3.5	47	42	Obama +5
Gravis Marketing	11/1 - 11/1	594 LV	4.0	49	45	Obama +4
Rasmussen Reports	10/30 - 10/30	750 LV	4.0	48	49	Romney +1
WeAskAmerica	        10/30 - 10/30	1174 LV	3.0	49	47	Obama +2
NBC/WSJ/Marist	        10/28 - 10/29	1142 LV	3.0	50	44	Obama +6



Latest PA:
Code:
RCP Average      	10/21 - 11/3	--	--	49.3	45.4	Obama +3.9

Morning Call	        11/1 - 11/3	430 LV	5.0	49	46	Obama +3
PPP (D)	                11/2 - 11/3	790 LV	3.5	52	46	Obama +6
Tribune-Review   	10/29 - 10/31	800 LV	3.5	47	47	Tie
Franklin & Marshall	10/23 - 10/28	547 LV	4.2	49	45	Obama +4
Philadelphia Inquirer	10/23 - 10/25	600 LV	4.0	49	43	Obama +6
Rasmussen Reports	10/24 - 10/24	500 LV	4.5	51	46	Obama +5
Gravis Marketing	10/21 - 10/21	887 LV	3.3	48	45	Obama +3


Latest Nevada:
Code:
RCP Average	        10/22 - 10/29	--	--	50.2	47.4	Obama +2.8

LVRJ/SurveyUSA	        10/23 - 10/29	1212 LV	2.9	50	46	Obama +4
Gravis Marketing	10/24 - 10/24	955 LV	3.2	50	49	Obama +1
NBC/WSJ/Marist   	10/23 - 10/24	1042 LV	3.0	50	47	Obama +3
Rasmussen Reports	10/23 - 10/23	500 LV	4.5	50	48	Obama +2
PPP (D)          	10/22 - 10/24	636 LV	3.9	51	47	Obama +4
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 07:52 PM

I have to admit, so many damn polls, different results of "closeness". It is confusing but the media is loving it. rolleyes

I thought I saw a news flash that OH opened up either more facilities or extended voting hours. I sure hope so. I saw a guy on the news yesterday from FL (along with many others from FL/OH) who said he waited 5 hours to vote BUT read some people waited as long as 7 hours. That's awful. mad Elections are not surprise events. Cities/counties/States KNOW when there's an election and should plan for it.

Like everyone else, and as exciting as this is, I am so ready for this campaign season to be over....and I live in a Blue state so don't get anywhere near the political ads I can imagine the swing states get.

TIS
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 07:55 PM

Ohio will be interesting.

In Obama's favor, he has blacks in the big cities, auto workers, and lower than average unemployment. Against him, there are coal workers, suburban conservatives and the Catholic and Evangelical voters who seem more energized than they were for McCane/Palin.

Can't wait to see how that state goes.

I did vote against Amendment 6 in Florida and also can't wait to see how that goes.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 08:09 PM

On Fox News, they report Romney will be campaigning on election day tomorrow in Ohio and PA. I've never heard of campaigning on Election Day before. What was funny, when the Fox reporter asked why Romney would be in Ohio tomorrow, the answer was: "Romney has lost his lead there, and Obama has pulled into a dead-heat".
rolleyes
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
On Fox News, they report Romney will be campaigning on election day tomorrow in Ohio and PA. I've never heard of campaigning on Election Day before.


Didn't Bush do the same thing in Ohio in 2004?
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 08:20 PM

Hey do Mobsters vote and families D's or R's ?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
On Fox News, they report Romney will be campaigning on election day tomorrow in Ohio and PA. I've never heard of campaigning on Election Day before.


Didn't Bush do the same thing in Ohio in 2004?


Not that I know of. Perhaps it isn't uncommon, I just don't recall ever seeing a candidate (for President) do it.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 08:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
On Fox News, they report Romney will be campaigning on election day tomorrow in Ohio and PA. I've never heard of campaigning on Election Day before.


Didn't Bush do the same thing in Ohio in 2004?


Not that I know of. Perhaps it isn't uncommon, I just don't recall ever seeing a candidate (for President) do it.


Well, Bush was incumbent, but here you go:

Quote:
The White House also announced that Mr. Bush would break with usual practice and campaign well into Election Day, on a stop in Columbus, Ohio, en route to Washington after voting Tuesday morning at the firehouse in Crawford, Tex.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/02/politics/campaign/02bush.html
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 08:38 PM

I think Obama should do just the same. In fact he should campaign in Ohio till the fat lady sings. lol
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77


Well, Bush was incumbent, but here you go:

Quote:
The White House also announced that Mr. Bush would break with usual practice and campaign well into Election Day, on a stop in Columbus, Ohio, en route to Washington after voting Tuesday morning at the firehouse in Crawford, Tex.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/02/politics/campaign/02bush.html


Interesting. Thanks.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 08:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
On Fox News, they report Romney will be campaigning on election day tomorrow in Ohio and PA. I've never heard of campaigning on Election Day before. What was funny, when the Fox reporter asked why Romney would be in Ohio tomorrow, the answer was: "Romney has lost his lead there, and Obama has pulled into a dead-heat".
rolleyes


Andrea Mitchell agrees, if PA is even in play, Obama is in trouble.

I didn't know Romney had a lead in Ohio.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andrea-mitche...-the-president/
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/05/12 11:17 PM

Ha ha ha!! Just saw an ad to vote yes on prop. 32. Immediately after that ad ended, with no pause in between, another ad saying vote no on prop. 32. LMAO My head is spinning. lol



TIS
Posted By: Don Marco

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 12:03 AM

The greatest thing about the day after election day is that I will no longer feel the need to mute every commercial on TV. I wonder - does anyone actually change their mind based on these commercials? Especially the ones that are by the PACs and not even the candidates. If I have to watch that woman jogging with her stroller talking about her husband getting laid off twice in the last 4 years I will throw the remote at the TV.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 12:16 AM

Real Clear Politics has the no tossup states electoral count at:

Obama 303
Romney 235.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 12:48 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Real Clear Politics has the no tossup states electoral count at:

Obama 303
Romney 235.


Exactly my prediction. Romney gets Florida. Obama gets the rest of the battle grounds.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:00 AM

Rupert Murdoch tweeted this:

Quote:
Everybody searching for any scrap of news about election tomorrow.plenty of straws to grasp for Romney, probably not enough.


In other news, Willard's people leaked out that Christie was asked to attend a rally with him on sunday and reaffirm his endorsement/pledge to him. Christie declined. (I would say he blamed it on that bitch Sandy.)

A little pissy leak, no?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:08 AM

You know, this is actually ingenius.

Romney Charges Reporters for Election Night Party

Mitt Romney "appears to be setting a precedent this election year in charging journalists and news organizations for any access to a presidential campaign headquarters on the night of the election," Mass Live reports.

Romney "will be holding his election night gathering at the Boston Convention and Exhibition Center, where access costs anywhere from $75 for a chair in the ballroom to $1,020 for permission to use the media filing center. Broadcast news organizations will be paying up to $6,500 for workspace."

"Obama's campaign party will be held at McCormick Place, in Chicago, and although his campaign is charging for premiums, credentialed reporters are granted access, which includes a workstation, electrical power and a wireless Internet connection, at no cost."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/11/05/romney_charges_reporters_for_election_night_party.html
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:30 AM

I assume as of tonight there won't be anymore official polling? Or do they do another one tomorrow morning?

smile



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:30 AM

Howard Fineman reported on Chris Matthews that the top GOP pollster for PA admitted to him that Obama will win the state.

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:33 AM

And my own polling and sources says he'll win Ohio too. wink




TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:50 AM

They usually do exit polls tomorrow.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
They usually do exit polls tomorrow.


After 2004, I don't even bother with them anymore.

Remember when they came out and it looked like we were getting President Kerry?
Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:56 AM

Thought a little humor might be needed for this thread.

The Onion
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:00 AM

Originally Posted By: goombah
Thought a little humor might be needed for this thread.

The Onion


lol

My favorite recent one of theirs was this one.

Romney Volunteers Going Door-To-Door To Let Obama Supporters Know President's Dead

http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-volunteers-going-doortodoor-to-let-obama-su,30253/
Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:05 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: goombah
Thought a little humor might be needed for this thread.

The Onion


lol

My favorite recent one of theirs was this one.

Romney Volunteers Going Door-To-Door To Let Obama Supporters Know President's Dead

http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-volunteers-going-doortodoor-to-let-obama-su,30253/


My fave was Romney promised PA voters he'd give them an hour with his wife in exchange for their vote. LOL!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:13 AM

I love the Onion. I got a book of their "greatest headlines" one Christmas long ago, and it features my favorite all-time Onion headline.

Awesome Toy Recalled because of 3 Stupid Dead Kids

EDIT - a good runner-up is Local Dipshit wears Old Navy
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:18 AM

Ha ha ha!! That's hilarious. lol



TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:21 AM

I plan on voting tomorrow morning before I hop on the subway to get to the office, then I will absolutely refuse to talk/read anything related to the election (because I am tired of it) until I get home and watch the election coverage LOL.

Good luck tomorrow everybody.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I plan on voting tomorrow morning before I hop on the subway to get to the office, then I will absolutely refuse to talk/read anything related to the election (because I am tired of it) until I get home and watch the election coverage LOL.

Good luck tomorrow everybody.


Don't blame you man. This cycle was just 2 years but felt like 20.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:26 AM

Good luck to both candidates. They're going to need it
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:37 AM

I'll echo what somebody else earlier today said: Be nice to watch TV again and get my mindless sex and violence without political ads getting in the way.

For that matter, for most of us to get back to civilizing and chilling about mob movies or whatever.

Until the next political thing happens and we'll be jumping down each other's throat. But until then, let's have a nice break and enjoy Thanksgiving and Christmas and Kwanzaa.

(Whatever that is.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:48 AM

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed an emergency executive order allowing voters in New York to cast their ballots at any polling station in the state. The move will help voters affected by Hurricane Sandy to cast affidavit ballots outside their usual polling place. “We’re trying to do the best we can,” said Cuomo Monday. “We want everyone to vote.”

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121105...n#ixzz2BOP6Qoor

Who'll win that state isn't in doubt, but man that shit is going to be chaotic. Hopefully they can pull off this emergency measure without fucking up too much.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:48 AM

Nate Silver is going all in. He has Obama's chances at 91.4% now. lol
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:53 AM

Nate silver isn't exactly the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. The last person I'd trust to predict this election is him.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Nate Silver is going all in. He has Obama's chances at 91.4% now. lol


On his little map graphic on his blog, he's now got Florida leaning Obama. And I have trouble accepting that. I know he's computing early voting totals in I guess, but I'm sorry I can't really buy that at the moment. But who knows?

Anyway Silver is on Colbert tonight.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:56 AM

That Nate. What a guy hu? wink

On another note, it seems Governor Christie was very happy when President Obama, who was on Air Force One, with The Boss handed the phone to Bruce. Christie got to talk to his longtime idol. He said it made him weep. Awwwww grin



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05...hp_ref=politics

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:58 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Nate silver isn't exactly the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. The last person I'd trust to predict this election is him.


You would trust Dick Morris more?
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:59 AM

The real problem is that people who vote for Mitt are like guys who date ugly women....they don't dare tell anyone that they are doing it. lol
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:00 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


On his little map graphic on his blog, he's now got Florida leaning Obama. And I have trouble accepting that. I know he's computing early voting totals in I guess, but I'm sorry I can't really buy that at the moment. But who knows?

Anyway Silver is on Colbert tonight.

Florida may get interesting. The voter suppression may be backfiring. Several reports state that voters are so mad down there at the Republican Governor for cutting early voting, they vow to wait online all day and night if necessary. You could have more Republican voters say "F" the wait tomorrow, than Democrats.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:03 AM

Originally Posted By: fathersson
The real problem is that people who vote for Mitt are like guys who date ugly women....they don't dare tell anyone that they are doing it. lol


Fatherson read the "The Mystery Method"
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:04 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Nate silver isn't exactly the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. The last person I'd trust to predict this election is him.


You would trust Dick Morris more?



Haha not in a million years Ronnie lol Frankly both sides are spinning it this to the point where I don't trust anyone. Not even Rasmussen or RCP. I'm just gonna wait and see and whatever happens, happens.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:12 AM

In '08, then-Republican Governor Charlie Crist extended Early Voting in Florida because of the overflooding lines. Which is good, I support encouragement of voting in a Democracy like ours where we regularly take it so much for granted, it treat it like fucking Jury Duty.

I know why assholes suppress votes. They obviously want to win, and if your ethics you leave at home like your keychain, but honestly you only do that if you're losing or you're afraid of losing. Democrats did it in Texas in 1960, maybe Illinois* too. Florida 2000 needed the Supreme Court. I've read an argument the same happened in Ohio by the GOP in '04.

Elections come and go. Presidents come and go. Your right to vote is eternal and guaranteed Constitutionally unless you're a covicted felon (which I sorta disagree with but I disgress) or a society just gives it up out of apathy.

Then again that would mean putting the belief of Democracy and Freedom above self partisanship, and unfortunately you're more likely to find a whore in a convent.

*=I say maybe only because many years ago I once read a study some amateur had done in comparing the voting rolls and he claimed that despite the legend of Mayor Daley getting graveyards to vote for JFK, it was more or less clean. So he claimed. Texas however, Nixon got screwed.
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


On his little map graphic on his blog, he's now got Florida leaning Obama. And I have trouble accepting that. I know he's computing early voting totals in I guess, but I'm sorry I can't really buy that at the moment. But who knows?

Anyway Silver is on Colbert tonight.

Florida may get interesting. The voter suppression may be backfiring. Several reports state that voters are so mad down there at the Republican Governor for cutting early voting, they vow to wait online all day and night if necessary. You could have more Republican voters say "F" the wait tomorrow, than Democrats.


There should not be long lines here in Florida because half the state has already voted.

The drama is in Miami/Dade, no surprise, no surprise, where the Obama constituents live anyway.

The Governor cut the number of days of early voting from 14 to 8. 8 is sufficient and I blame the people who waited until the very last day of early voting to create drama.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


There should not be long lines here in Florida because half the state has already voted.


If the wait was up to 8 hours when 1/2 the state voted during the 8 days of early voting, explain to me how there will be no lines tomorrow when the other 1/2 of the state votes in 1 day.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:24 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo



Haha not in a million years Ronnie lol Frankly both sides are spinning it this to the point where I don't trust anyone. Not even Rasmussen or RCP. I'm just gonna wait and see and whatever happens, happens.[/quote]

I guess I'm testy about the shit Silver got was that 4 years ago, when FiveThirtyEight was starting to becoming known and just right before he became toast of the town and got that nice NYT gig, I e-mailed him a question about something I didn't understand and he actually replied, politely and thoroughly.

As a stat whiz, he could've been a total dick at my ignorance of statistics and show off his big Math Dick, but he didn't. And I appreciated that. Plus he seems to try to be legitimate with his ever evolving, self-correcting formulas. (And to be fair, he did great in '08, only getting Missouri wrong if I remember correctly and that was a razor-thin toss up state.)

Most of these pundits, I don't exactly get fired up defending them whenever they're criticized. Why should I? They're paid to be clowns and make (usually wrong) predictions on TV. They're grown ups. Silver was just some baseball nerd who made some cash selling a formula he devised for that and found himself trying to apply stats/math to elections as well, and found his knack. Good for him.

So yeah that's why I get pissy when somebody dismissed him as equal to useless sacks of shit like Hannity and Paul Begala. What do those two hacks offer other than propaganda for their army's sheep?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


The Governor cut the number of days of early voting from 14 to 8. 8 is sufficient and I blame the people who waited until the very last day of early voting to create drama.


Why yes, your very favorite people at it again Skinny, our local Welsh Astronaut, always vigilant.

(Why cut it by 6 days? Why in such a contested election that surely would spark high voter turn-out? Why?)

Shit even Crist blasted Rick Scott for that decision. (Skinny, don't be predictable and dismiss Crist because of his alleged closet case homosexuality.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/04..._n_2073661.html
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:41 AM

Hey Ronnie I hate sean hannity. The guys an arrogant prick. I just don't seem silver a much better alternative
Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 04:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


There should not be long lines here in Florida because half the state has already voted.


If the wait was up to 8 hours when 1/2 the state voted during the 8 days of early voting, explain to me how there will be no lines tomorrow when the other 1/2 of the state votes in 1 day.


Thanks for responding Lou.

Several things. Mainly, early voting here is an absentee ballot. I showed up at the location and they asked for ID(which I have no problem doing although it's said to be "suppression"). I filled out paperwork and signed it. All early voters do. Then they had to print out a six page ballot, specifically for my congressional district.

Tomorrow's process is a little easier because there are more locations. You should not here about any problems.

People should not have waited until the last day of early voting. But they always do, if you give them 15 days or 8 days of early voting.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 04:43 AM

The Truth About Voting Machines: What's Real And What's A Nutty Election Fraud Conspiracy

http://www.theawl.com/2012/11/the-truth-about-voting-machines
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 04:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


There should not be long lines here in Florida because half the state has already voted.


If the wait was up to 8 hours when 1/2 the state voted during the 8 days of early voting, explain to me how there will be no lines tomorrow when the other 1/2 of the state votes in 1 day.


Thanks for responding Lou.

Several things. Mainly, early voting here is an absentee ballot. I showed up at the location and they asked for ID(which I have no problem doing although it's said to be "suppression"). I filled out paperwork and signed it. All early voters do. Then they had to print out a six page ballot, specifically for my congressional district.

Tomorrow's process is a little easier because there are more locations. You should not here about any problems.

People should not have waited until the last day of early voting. But they always do, if you give them 15 days or 8 days of early voting.


Fair enough. We shall see. wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:14 AM

Amusing anecdote: Apparently in Mass., Michael Dukakis is campaigning door by door for the local/state Democratic candidates. This detail caught my attention, however.

Quote:
Mr. Dukakis, who teaches at Northeastern University in Boston and loves mentoring young people, has also been helping fire up the troops who are canvassing for President Obama in New Hampshire. In a phone call to young Obama workers the other day, he offered tips on what to say as they went door to door.

And then he blurted out this: “I owe you all an apology,” he said as about 20 young people listened on speakerphone. “If I’d beaten Bush 1, you’d have never heard of Bush 2 and we wouldn’t be in this mess, so blame me.”


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/...-for-democrats/

~I like the honest candor, but but no offense Mike, but...I can't imagine you as President. Neither did rest of the country.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:34 AM

The NH Town No One Cares About At Any Other Time poll results are good. Obama remains the only Democrat since Humphrey to win (or tie) in the town.

Oh and Political Wire today found this treasure gem that actually was printed on the eve of election 1972, for real.

"How Mcgovern Won The Presidency & Why The Polls Were Wrong"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345029...g=youwonnowwhat
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:50 AM

FLASHBACK: Election night 1948, the greatest upset. The first election covered by TV, in it's infancy.

Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 07:09 AM

Finally November 6th is here. Why am I so invested in this election? I've no idea. lol
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 08:15 AM

I just want to vote and get this damn thing over with already.

Yesterday evening, in the space of an hour and a half, I was invaded by no less than four unwanted political phone calls. Some were robo-calls, some were actual people on the line.

I didn't give a damn.

They were intruding on my privacy.

They always manage to call around what they believe is your dinner time (deliberately), and after the first of these annoyances, I let my answering machine take the call. Or, I would pick up the telephone, and when I heard the recording or person on the other end, simply slam down the receiver.

Even though I am on the "Do Not Call" registry for my state (which is a fucking joke, believe me), you cannot opt out of, or avoid receiving political annoyance calls. WHY???? mad

If I spend another sleepless night - which is appearing more and more likely - I may try to get to local polling place early and, after I vote, come back home and get some well-deserved sleep.

Honestly, the older I get, the more I see elections as not voting for someone as much as voting against the other guy.

Some call it "the lesser of the two weasels", but I don't know anymore. Make of it what you will. ohwell


Signor V.
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 08:26 AM

If Germany was a US state, it would be safe Obama. 87% of the population woulf vote for Obama, 5% for Romney.
http://www.euronews.com/2012/11/05/obama-gets-election-thumbs-up-from-europeans/
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 08:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli
Honestly, the older I get, the more I see elections as not voting for someone as much as voting against the other guy.


SV, this has been what I've been doing. It's just as important to vote against a candidate as it is to vote for a candidate. Imagine if Iranians were motivated to vote against Ahmadinejad. The world would've been better off. Many decided he is no different than the other guy 7 years ago. I'd like to know what they think now.

Anyway, happy voting and making a difference! I hope you get some sound sleep after this tiresome election season. smile
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:16 AM

6AM, and I just voted. I was second in line. smile
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:22 AM

Wow! A 6AM voter? Good for you Lou! smile I can't imagine when people working at the polling station must've started. Polls don't open earlier than 8AM here, but then we always vote on weekends.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:30 AM

I don't know what time they got there, but I don't think there was one worker under 65 years old there. wink
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:31 AM

lol
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:35 AM

They looked a lot more energetic than me at this time in the morning. wink
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:39 AM

One of the advantages of getting old is that you would get up early, because you have gone to bed at dusk. wink And I know I'm getting there now, because the most I can manage to stay awake is half past midnight. It used to be 4 in the morning.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 12:38 PM

And look at me up at freekin' 4:30 a.m. What am I nuts? panic I have insomnia and am looking forward for this election to be over.

I vote by mail and submitted mine a couple weeks ago. I do miss going to the polls though. Call me a geek, but it's kind of exciting going to the voting booth.

For those interested, why not post if there are long lines in your areas when you vote (Particular those who vote in FL/OH).

And Afs, kudos to you my friend, for being so in-touch, not to mention interested in our election. smile

May the best man win!!!!!! wink


TIS
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 12:45 PM

The UK has gone US election crazy, it is all over the TV on every channel. I have become confused and brain washed, i demand the chance to vote, but who for? Romney and his magic underpants or Obama and his masterly orations??

Confused.com!!!!!
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 12:47 PM

Thank you TIS, you are always kind to me! smile
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 12:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
The UK has gone US election crazy, it is all over the TV on every channel. I have become confused and brain washed, i demand the chance to vote, but who for? Romney and his magic underpants or Obama and his masterly orations??

Confused.com!!!!!


I don't have the article at my fingertips BUT I do know that foreign countries favor Obama by far (like 80 per cent maybe)than Romney.

Those in other countries (Yogi,Afs, etc) let us know reaction (if any) tonight in your countries (assuming we will know tonight. God, I hope so.) panic

TIS

Seriously, I am sitting here waiting for the sun to come up so I can go for my run. I AM crazy. rolleyes
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 12:54 PM

I think that right TIS, a lot of the stuff over here is most definitely pro-Obama.

And the BBC has blanket coverage of the Election all night, so we will know the winner before you all do smile
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:08 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I don't have the article at my fingertips BUT I do know that foreign countries favor Obama by far (like 80 per cent maybe)than Romney.

Those in other countries (Yogi,Afs, etc) let us know reaction (if any) tonight in your countries (assuming we will know tonight. God, I hope so.) panic

TIS

Seriously, I am sitting here waiting for the sun to come up so I can go for my run. I AM crazy. rolleyes


Yes, other countries favor Obama over Romney.

As far as Iran is concerned, there's a government reaction and then people's reaction. I'm pretty sure government favors Romney, simply because they are sure the US is not going to invade Iran since that's very costly for the already debt ridden US. Also Obama is very dedicated to the sanctions and has a team monitoring Iranians trying to go around it. They've effectively prevented Iran from getting the oil money, pressuring the Iranian government into a milder position. I'm sure if Romney comes to office, he would bring his own team that wouldn't be as good and the sanctions would become sluggish and ineffective once again, just as Bush era, all bark and no actual bite.

Then there's a group of people who really think that US would start a war with Iran if Romney is elected and they really want it to happen, so that this regime finally topples. They'd be very disappointed to see Obama get elected, but I'm sure they'd be disappointed either way when there's no war to free them from this regime. wink

And then there's the rest of people who think that maybe moderation and one day at a time resistance from within might change the politics of Iran. We'd like to see reason and stability to take over (Obama.)

I can't say what the percentage of people who think like this, that or even don't care are. I just have heard all the arguments and explaining them if you're still with me after this long post. lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:19 PM

No, I'm following you Afs. wink Interesting, I would think Iran would be concerned that Romney MAY invade Iran (I know I am as he seems overly eager for war). He does talk the "tough" talk but like you say could be all bark and no bite. confused




TIS
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:24 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
No, I'm following you Afs. wink Interesting, I would think Iran would be concerned that Romney MAY invade Iran (I know I am as he seems overly eager for war). He does talk the "tough" talk but like you say could be all bark and no bite. confused




TIS


Well, Iran is really huge, I don't see the US invading it successfully, considering what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. If there's an attack, it would be limited to nuclear sites and not toppling any regime for sure. If worse comes to worst, that's what Obama would do, just as Romney would.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:28 PM

BTW, haven't seen/heard much from "Rat Face" in the news lately. Isn't that what you called him? (Ahmadinejad) lol




TIS
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:32 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
BTW, haven't seen/heard much from "Rat Face" in the news lately. Isn't that what you called him? (Ahmadinejad) lol




TIS


Yeah! lol

Well, he has troubles of his own. He is pretty much going to be blamed for all the currency instability that's happened here. There's 7 months left to the next election and I'm not sure if he isn't impeached before he leaves office. grin He is really in trouble, his closest friends are arrested and things do not look good for him.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 01:39 PM

Afs,

What time is it there? I'm having my morning coffee. Can I pour you a cup? wink



TIS
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:15 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Afs,

What time is it there? I'm having my morning coffee. Can I pour you a cup? wink



TIS


Thank you TIS, very kind of you! smile it is now 5:45pm. I got off the work and now I'm at home. smile I'm hoping when I wake up in the morning I get the election results.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:19 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Why am I so invested in this election? lol

Why, indeed? lol

I'm just curious, Afs. Is having an interest in American politics common in Iran? Becuase I have to say, you're more interested in this election than some American people (which is actually a sad indictment of some Americans ohwell ).

Anyway, I voted early this morning in the Bronx, then shot up to Westchester to bring my Dad to the polls. He's voting as I type this using a public computer at the town hall (Hey, the suburbs are nice. If someone offered me free computer access in the Bronx, it would surely be from a stolen laptop lol).
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:29 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Why, indeed? lol

I'm just curious, Afs. Is having an interest in American politics common in Iran? Becuase I have to say, you're more interested in this election than some American people (which as actually a sad indictment of some Americans ohwell ).


Honestly save for the forums I don't know anybody around that cares or follows as much as I do. But then if anyone is following this closely outside the US is mainly because of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. That's about the best comedy you can watch on TV, and I've always been interested in both comedy and politics, so that's how it all comes together.

Edit: I forgot Bill Maher. Like him too. grin
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:29 PM

PB,

You are right. I am sure Afs knows more than some Americans do as far as our election/politics. It IS pretty sad. Some people don't even know who the VP is. frown

Did you have a long wait where you voted? Crowds? Polls aren't open here yet (tho I voted by mail). I think they open at 7:00, in about a half hour.


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:42 PM

In the Bronx, I was in and out in ten minutes, Tis. But my Dad lives in Eastchester (which is ironically located in Westchester), and I've been waiting on him for over half an hour. But then again, he might be trying to pick up one of the octogenarian poll workers whistle.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
In the Bronx, I was in and out in ten minutes, Tis. But my Dad lives in Eastchester (which is ironically located in Westchester), and I've been waiting on him for over half an hour. But then again, he might be trying to pick up one of the octogenarian poll workers whistle.


lol How cute. You never know where you can find your soul mate. lol


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 02:53 PM

Not to hijack the thread, but it's hysterical. My Mom died over ten years ago and they had a great 45 years together. As far as I know he never had a "wandering eye." But today he hits on anything in support hose.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Your right to vote is eternal and guaranteed Constitutionally unless you're a covicted felon (which I sorta disagree with but I disgress)

In New York State a convicted felon may vote as long as he's not incarcerated or currently on parole. So no matter what the crime, if you do your time and you're not on "parole," you're never disenfranchised here. I'm not sure how it works everywhere else, but I'm sure that Klyd does smile.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:13 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
But today he hits on anything in support hose.


God bless him! smile
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:15 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
But today he hits on anything in support hose.


God bless him! smile

Yeah, thanks, SC. He'll be 83 Thanksgiving week smile.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:17 PM

My mom's 86 and looks years younger. I'm just saying... whistle
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:20 PM

Nice, SB. I always wanted a sister. But the knowledge that I'm old enough to have a 50 year old baby sister is too much to bear lol lol.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:21 PM

I have two older brothers already. You got something else to offer??
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:22 PM

Nope, that's it lol.

Back on topic. Did you vote yet?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:28 PM

Vote? Oh, is that today?? whistle I've barely had coffee at this point, much less voted. My husband was going on his way to work today, and my daughter and I are going when she gets out of work this afternoon.

The local school district was supposed to be closed today, but they are open because the kids missed so many days already. And they moved our polling place from the high school to the middle school.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:34 PM

I don't usually go in for celebrity endorsements, but a friend of mine from Ohio told me that Leon from "Curb Your Enthusiasm" made a major endorsement this morning. And you have to respect Leon's opinion.

Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:41 PM

Hahahaha that made my day
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 03:45 PM

Gotta love Leon! lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Gotta love Leon! lol

He's the President of hitting that ass. What's not to love?

Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 04:16 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I don't usually go in for celebrity endorsements, but a friend of mine from Ohio told me that Leon from "Curb Your Enthusiasm" made a major endorsement this morning. And you have to respect Leon's opinion.



The funny thing about that is the episode aired in 2007, long before Obama was even the nominee in '08. "I hit it and then I quit it."
lol
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 04:21 PM

Speaking of Leon, why there was no Curb Your Enthusiasm this summer? It was a bummer. ohwell
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Your right to vote is eternal and guaranteed Constitutionally unless you're a covicted felon (which I sorta disagree with but I disgress)

In New York State a convicted felon may vote as long as he's not incarcerated or currently on parole. So no matter what the crime, if you do your time and you're not on "parole," you're never disenfranchised here. I'm not sure how it works everywhere else, but I'm sure that Klyd does smile.


I know that PA is like some states in that felons are free to vote if released from prison. Misdemeanor offenders in prison, as well as those detained waiting trial on felonies, may vote by absentee ballot. Those released to halfway houses are free to vote by absentee too. New York, I believe, and a few others require that the felon finish his parole time in addition to incarceration.

A dozen or so states, including ronnie's TN, place permanent (or near permanent) restrictions on felons.

As far as I know the only states that allow imprisoned felons to vote are Maine and Vermont.

There are probably about 5 million Americans disenfranchised due to their convictions and/or incarceration. If the difference between the candidates is 2 points, which is about 2 1/2 million votes, just think of the impact they could have had, but for their crimes.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 04:53 PM

I hear that Chrysler gave all employees the day off so they can vote. Cool cool I could never understand, with all our Federal Holidays, why we couldn't every 4 years, have the Presidential election off. confused



TIS
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 04:56 PM

I didn't vote yet. The lines were a little too long for my wife and me on our ways to to work, so we're going to meet home in the early afternoon and go together.

My older son is registered in another part of PA where he's going to school. He said a lot of his classmates from NJ and NY registered in PA to vote because they, as Lou pointed out, felt their vote wouldn't matter as much there this year.

TIS and afs, I saw the surveys in other countries showed that Obama was heavily favored across the globe. The three countries in Europe where he was most favored are Ireland, the Netherlands, Iceland and France. While he is still favored throughout the nations in Africa, he lost 21 points in Kenya from a survey from a year ago.

Romney was favored in Pakistan, Israel and China. But in all of these polls there was a large pct. of people, who picked neither. Pakistan was 14%-4%.
Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:07 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Speaking of Leon, why there was no Curb Your Enthusiasm this summer? It was a bummer. ohwell


Larry David has been on an every other year rotation for the show for the past few seasons. Probably more importantly, Larry has "F-you money." Meaning he has so much that he can do whatever he wants when he wants.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:34 PM

I just spoke by phone with my 98 year old grandmother (born 6 years before women had the right to vote), who had voted about an hour ago. She's never missed an election and has voted in the same polling place since 1935. She warned us that she was not putting up with the Voter ID thing in PA, and while the Commonwealth Court delayed implementation of the law, poll workers are still asking for it though you're not required to have the ID to vote.

Well, they asked her, and got more than an earful from her according to my parents. She used to babysit the poll worker, who is now in his 70s.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:43 PM

Originally Posted By: goombah
Larry David has been on an every other year rotation for the show for the past few seasons. Probably more importantly, Larry has "F-you money." Meaning he has so much that he can do whatever he wants when he wants.


This is not right. You should tax his ass back to work. lol That's why this low tax rates on the rich must come to an end. wink
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:51 PM

Originally Posted By: goombah
Larry has "F-you money." Meaning he has so much that he can do whatever he wants when he wants.

No, Romney has fuck you money. Larry has fuck everybody money wink.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:53 PM

PA voting machine refuses to cast ballots for the President.



http://jezebel.com/5958108/oh-lovely-at-...dium=socialflow
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:54 PM

Come what may it is really going to be interesting around 10:30 PM to watch either MSNBC or Fox. Because at least one set of journalists and analysts will need to be placed on suicide watch.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Come what may it is really going to be interesting around 10:30 PM to watch either MSNBC or Fox. Because at least one set of journalists and analysts will need to be placed on suicide watch.


As much as I bitch about people watching either brain-dead, ideology pornographic channel, I must admit it was fun watching Sean Hannity has his own little meltdown 4 years ago, only because he's such a useless well-paid hack. I won't get to see that happen again if the Kenyan wins (vacation).
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:58 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
PA voting machine refuses to cast ballots for the President.



http://jezebel.com/5958108/oh-lovely-at-...dium=socialflow


WTF?! This is bad. panic
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 05:59 PM

I think the MSNBC folks are more likely to kill themselves. At the end of the day, the FOX people really don't care about anyone enough to do themselves harm.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I think the MSNBC folks are more likely to kill themselves. At the end of the day, the FOX people really don't care about anyone enough to do themselves harm.


I remember after the first debate, somebody told me the MSNBC people desperately needed paper bags and Chris Matthews almost looked like he was having a heart attack.

(But that sounds like normal Matthews to me.)
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:03 PM

Didn't Tip O'Neill teach Matthews to drink to avoid looking nervous in public? whistle
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:04 PM

It's a sensitive subject but you would think that a producer would tell Matthews about his spittle issue. shhh Cause it's getting worse.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
It's a sensitive subject but you would think that a producer would tell Matthews about his spittle issue. shhh Cause it's getting worse.

See my post above.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Didn't Tip O'Neill teach Matthews to drink to avoid looking nervous in public? whistle


Well drink too much and you can drunk as a skunk like Andrew Johnson apparently was at Lincoln's inaguration. (A month later, that rambling drunk would be President.)
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:06 PM

slightly related... whistle
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:08 PM

FOX and MSNBC are the worst political channels. I watch both every now and then (CNN more). The main issue I have is that there's no other more moderate conservative voice out there. Bill O' Reilly I can handle, but Sean Hannity is snide little prick. Although I do enjoy CNN.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:10 PM

Note: The Exit polls (not worth spit in my view) come out at exactly 5PM EST. If any get posted beforehand online, they're more than likely pretty bogus.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I hear that Chrysler gave all employees the day off so they can vote. Cool cool I could never understand, with all our Federal Holidays, why we couldn't every 4 years, have the Presidential election off. confused
TIS


Usually that is part of the Union (UAW) contract. All of the US car companies abide by that as far as I know. Election day is a paid holiday.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
FOX and MSNBC are the worst political channels. I watch both every now and then (CNN more). The main issue I have is that there's no other more moderate conservative voice out there. Bill O' Reilly I can handle, but Sean Hannity is snide little prick. Although I do enjoy CNN.


O'Reilly is a dick too, but he's harmless like that local old fart who writes that weekly newspaper columnist and whines about kids cursing too much and this rap crap music. (His curse out caught on tape and can be seen on YouTube is good comedy.)

Hannity is alot like a Sloth. You wonder what their purpose is other than eat, shit, and waste space.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:22 PM

Note: In Ohio, the (Republican) Secretary of State has ordered NOT to count any ballots with registration not properly filled out by both voter and precinct staff. So yeah your vote can be toilet paper if some sloppy fucker doesn't do their job correctly.

(I almost predict somebody countering with "Well the voter should be responsible enough to overlook that paperwork and make sure they do their job!")
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:36 PM

VA polls close at 7PM EST tonight. This state could tell us very early who is gonna win. If they call it for Obama early, it will probably be an early night.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:36 PM

Joe Biden voting today in Delaware (8th time his name has been on the ballot in that sttae) was asked if this was the last time he'll see his name on the ballot. He said "No, I don't think so."

Biden '16, because we need a comedian back at the White House.

http://www.inquisitr.com/389373/biden-20...te-for-himself/

(or was he talking about his son?)

EDIT - last Gallup tracking poll conducted before he election (11/3-11/5), the President's approval rating is at 52%, with 44% disapproval rating.

I don't believe a President with 50% or above approval rating on Gallup has ever lost re-election.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
VA polls close at 7PM EST tonight. This state could tell us very early who is gonna win. If they call it for Obama early, it will probably be an early night.


I love the excitement BUT I kind of hope you're right and we DO know early. Yet, I am not so sure that will happen. ohwell



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:41 PM

Well on update of that malfunctioning PA voting machine, they've apparently removed it after that YouTube video (which I posted above) came out this morning. Good.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machine-turns-vote-for-obama-into-one-for-romney/
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:46 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
VA polls close at 7PM EST tonight. This state could tell us very early who is gonna win. If they call it for Obama early, it will probably be an early night.


I love the excitement BUT I kind of hope you're right and we DO know early. Yet, I am not so sure that will happen. ohwell


It used to be networks wanted to be the first one to call an election or state. After the 2000 fiasco, not so much.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:53 PM

In the past, elections notoriously were called early on the networks before the west coast voting booths were closed, making many people feel like their votes didn't matter.

(Obama's victory wasn't called until 11 4 years ago when the west coast polls closed.)

Then again, I bet that problem returns if we have another landslide election.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
VA polls close at 7PM EST tonight. This state could tell us very early who is gonna win. If they call it for Obama early, it will probably be an early night.

I love the excitement BUT I kind of hope you're right and we DO know early. Yet, I am not so sure that will happen.


Years ago, one or more of the networks would announce a predicted winner early based on the East coast states' exit polls. That was more or less stopped when West coasters would stay away from the polls figuring their votes wouldn't make a difference.

Still, I enjoy watching the returns come in.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 07:05 PM

Romney is adding more stops to his campaigning today.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
In the past, elections notoriously were called early on the networks before the west coast voting booths were closed, making many people feel like their votes didn't matter.

(Obama's victory wasn't called until 11 4 years ago when the west coast polls closed.)

Then again, I bet that problem returns if we have another landslide election.


I have always voted during the day (when I went to the polls) so it didn't really affect me. However, I can see where it does take something out of it when you know the winner before your vote is cast. IF your guy didn't win why vote & if you're guy did win, why vote? confused Of course that's excluding the importance of whatever propositions are on ballots.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 07:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Romney is adding more stops to his campaigning today.


I know it would be pretty easy to mock this, but I say why not? Get it all out of your system, campaign to the very end. If you lose, at least you won't have a nagging feeling that you should've done more stops or something.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 07:13 PM

Mitt still has time to tell us what tax loopholes/deductions he'd eliminate or to show us his tax returns. lol Yea, that's gonna happen.

I read that in L.A. if you need a ride to the polls, there's a 800 number you can call for a free taxi ride.



TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 07:24 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
I just spoke by phone with my 98 year old grandmother (born 6 years before women had the right to vote), who had voted about an hour ago. She's never missed an election and has voted in the same polling place since 1935. She warned us that she was not putting up with the Voter ID thing in PA, and while the Commonwealth Court delayed implementation of the law, poll workers are still asking for it though you're not required to have the ID to vote.

Well, they asked her, and got more than an earful from her according to my parents. She used to babysit the poll worker, who is now in his 70s.



Kly,

God bless your grandma. smile I'd be happy to live that long let alone be of the physical/mental state to go out and vote.

I see a judge has stepped in. Sounds like it's the same area in which your grandmother voted.

http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/29040...y#axzz2BSai8do7


TIS


Just am hearing that it's extremely heavy voting in VA with crowds that began forming...get this.....at 3:30 a.m. uhwhat
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
I just spoke by phone with my 98 year old grandmother (born 6 years before women had the right to vote), who had voted about an hour ago. She's never missed an election and has voted in the same polling place since 1935. She warned us that she was not putting up with the Voter ID thing in PA, and while the Commonwealth Court delayed implementation of the law, poll workers are still asking for it though you're not required to have the ID to vote.

Well, they asked her, and got more than an earful from her according to my parents. She used to babysit the poll worker, who is now in his 70s.


I love that old lady!!!!!! God bless her!!!!
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 08:21 PM

hmm...


Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 10:51 PM

While I was standing on line, 2 people away from getting in the booth, a young man was having trouble with the machine. His father was in the booth next to him, gets finished, then goes into the booth with his son to help him work the machine. South Jersey, what a bunch of half-wits. The workers jumped up and practically pulled the man out of the booth. Apparently the voter before this young man never hit the "cast your vote" button. What a cluster F.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:01 PM

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:02 PM

Ha ha ha!!!! lol I wonder if Big Bird will have to show his ID? LOL



TIS
Posted By: Mark

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:08 PM

Just got done voting. Heard on WGN Radio that they expect over 70% turn out in Illinois... not including the registered dead voters in Cook County! whistle
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark
Heard on WGN Radio that they expect over 70% turn out in Illinois... not including the registered dead voters in Cook County!


Ahhh, the home of "Vote early and often".
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark
Just got done voting. Heard on WGN Radio that they expect over 70% turn out in Illinois... not including the registered dead voters in Cook County! whistle


Voted as well. Can't wait for this day to be over with and hopefully done talking about politics for a couple days (wishful thinking). At least I have the bulls to watch tonight.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:44 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Mark
Heard on WGN Radio that they expect over 70% turn out in Illinois... not including the registered dead voters in Cook County!


Ahhh, the home of "Vote early and often".


That was our motto too when I lived in Hudson County NJ. wink
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/06/12 11:52 PM

My final thoughts before the results. This is going to be a close election. No one is running away with it. But whoever wins I hope we can all move forward and work together for the good of the country. I don't expect that, but I hope to say the least. We need to pull ourselves together.
Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 12:04 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Mark
Heard on WGN Radio that they expect over 70% turn out in Illinois... not including the registered dead voters in Cook County!


Ahhh, the home of "Vote early and often".


I wonder if Richard Kimble and the one-armed man voted in Cook County? wink
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

I see a judge has stepped in. Sounds like it's the same area in which your grandmother voted.

http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/29040...y#axzz2BSai8do7


TIS



The county where this happened is Perry, which is adjacent to the county where I am.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 12:24 AM

Don't forget to watch the Senate races tonight. Massachusetts and Montana should be interesting races.

I didn't say anything before, but a relative of mine by marriage is in a close race for Attorney General of PA. I am friends with her opponent, who is the DA of a nearby jurisdiction. I actually know him a little better than I know the relation, but I can never go against the family.

Everybody enjoy the night. There's still time to vote on the East Coast if you haven't already. I'll be back tomorrow night or Thursday to see what we all think.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 01:29 AM

No college tomorrow so i'll stay up for some of the election. Spoiler - Obama will win. uhwhat.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:28 AM

With 80% of the vote in, there's only 3K difference in Florida. Don't expect to see Florida called anytime soon.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:32 AM

Florida keeps switching sides.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
With 80% of the vote in, there's only 3K difference in Florida. Don't expect to see Florida called anytime soon.


The counties that haven't reported more will PROBABLY go to Obama, but I sure as hell don't want a repeat of 2000.

Big win for Obama in Pennsylvania!!
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:37 AM

Virginia and NC look like they will go Romney. Florida and Ohio are the toss ups
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:37 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
[quote=Just Lou]

Big win for Obama in Pennsylvania!!


I never believed PA was ever in play. Some people watch too much Fox News. lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:37 AM

FL really surprised me but yea, I hear there are long lines so it may take a while.

Anyone hear about the Scott Brown/Elizabeth Warren seat in MA yet. I heard read that it was called for Warren but I haven't heard anything.
smile

Also, Mitt lost both his "home" states: MI and MA


TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:38 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Virginia and NC look like they will go Romney. Florida and Ohio are the toss ups

You're calling VA with 1/2 the vote still out and a 4 point difference?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:39 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
FL really surprised me but yea, I hear there are long lines so it may take a while.

Anyone hear about the Scott Brown/Elizabeth Warren seat in MA yet. I heard read that it was called for Warren but I haven't heard anything.
smile

Also, Mitt lost both his "home" states: MI and MA


TIS


I think Warren was projected the winner on MSNBC
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:40 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Virginia and NC look like they will go Romney. Florida and Ohio are the toss ups


I heard obama is closing in though?
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:41 AM

As a Massachusetts man this was no shock. Michigan too. But Scott Brown and Elizabeth Warren will be close. But I have a feeling Warren will pull it out. I hate that woman sincerely. She's an idiot and a stooge for the democrats. At least Scott Brown was bipartisan
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:42 AM

They are either to early or too close to call.


YEA, NBC projected Elizabeth Warren won over Scott Brown.


smile

TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:43 AM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Virginia and NC look like they will go Romney. Florida and Ohio are the toss ups


I heard obama is closing in though?


Yes. He cut the lead from 10 to 4.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:44 AM

You realize Obama is still behind on popular votes, though that really doesn't matter does it?


smile
TIS
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:44 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
They are either to early or too close to call.


YEA, NBC projected Elizabeth Warren won over Scott Brown.


smile

TIS


You are happy about that?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:45 AM

Yes sir!!! wink





TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:46 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
You realize Obama is still behind on popular votes, though that really doesn't matter does it?


smile
TIS


Many of the largest Obama States haven't been counted yet.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:48 AM

Have you listened to that woman speak? Scott Brown clearly earned a second term and he's being challenged by someone whos lied about her ethnicity and couldn't even name one republican in the senate. She doesnt deserve a school board seat much less the senate.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:51 AM

Yes, I love to hear her speak and like what she says. She'll be great IMHO smile



Obama just took New Hampshire



TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:54 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Have you listened to that woman speak? Scott Brown clearly earned a second term and he's being challenged by someone whos lied about her ethnicity and couldn't even name one republican in the senate. She doesnt deserve a school board seat much less the senate.


Umm...did scott brown make a racist comment about that though?
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:55 AM

Scott Brown is not a radical tea party republican. He has done an outstanding job and there's no reason why he should be replaced. Why do you take interest in Massachusetts politics when you live on the west coast?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:57 AM

I don't know FL counties but FWIW heard one of the pundits say that Team Obama was confident about FL because they have yet to count Brower/Miami-Dade counties which they say are usually Democratic. I am really kind of surprised if he takes it. All the pundits assumed it would go red (which of course it still might). confused It probably will take a while before we know though.



TIS
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:58 AM

Goodnight everyone. I''m too tired for this excciting BBC coverage it's captivated me that much th..
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:02 AM

Obama opening a small lead in FL with 86% in.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:05 AM

As a resident of Massachusetts I am disgusted with the election of Elizabeth Warren over Scott Brown. Warren lied about her ethnicity, she's never been elected to anything before, she's also a hypocrite. This senate race just goes to show how partisan this country is. When someone who's done an excellent job serving as a senator loses to an inferior candidate only because of party, it's a sad day in America. I have to deal with this woman for six years dammit! Six years!
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:17 AM

Obama's lead growing in FL, shrinking in OH. Romney's lead shrinking in VA.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:33 AM

I think Romney is evil. If he had a better running mate to back him up instead of that young dooshbag....I might have voted for him.

From being from PA, glad to see Bob Casey was re-elected I think his commerical with his pagan and warlock buddies might of helped lol " Bob built a Harley Davidson plant and created jobs!"
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:33 AM

My daughter is very interested in this, her very first election. She doesn't have a TV in her dorm, but she lives in NYC. I told her to look out her window at the Empire State Building. Currently, it's red, white and blue. If President Obama is re-elected, it will be lit completely in blue. If Governor Romney wins, it will be all red.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:37 AM

I'm a registered republican and was brought up republican. But after leaders like bush and people like Romney that busted up companies with house money and forced them into foreclosure is f'd up. I hope he doesn't win. GO Obama!
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:39 AM

CNN is making it sound like Obama is going to win FL, VA, NC, and Ohio.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:40 AM

That's CNN though
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:42 AM

Well, the counties in FL that aren't in Politico's results yet are Dade, Broward and Osceola, and those are HUGE.

Edit: And Palm Beach.

And Edit again: President Obama has a significant lead in those four counties.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:43 AM

The jury is still out on Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:47 AM

My 303 electoral votes for Obama is looking low.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
My 303 electoral votes for Obama is looking low.


I had 303 as well and it is looking low at this point...I am impressed with the Democratic turnout in some of the battleground states especially in Florida. Looks like the myth of lower enthusiasm amongst certain groups for the President was wrong.

In terms of Warren,I am still pissed the GOP forced her out of the head spot over at the CFPB. Wall Street was shivering in fear of her and fought (and pushed their GOP) friends against her appointment to that post, but I think they have created a bigger problem for themselves with her in the Senate. She is a very impressive intellectual.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:00 AM

Romney's lead in VA is gone.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:07 AM

CA, WA, HI just called for Obama. Geez, I know it's not a surprise but our polls just closed 5 minutes ago. lol

Anyway, by my rough calculations the President needs about 26 more E-votes?? confused


TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:08 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
CA, WA, HI just called for Obama. Geez, I know it's not a surprise but our polls just closed 5 minutes ago. lol

Anyway, by my rough calculations the President needs about 26 more E-votes?? confused


TIS

CNN has him at 238. MSNBC has him at 248.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
My 303 electoral votes for Obama is looking low.


I had 303 as well and it is looking low at this point...I am impressed with the Democratic turnout in some of the battleground states especially in Florida. Looks like the myth of lower enthusiasm amongst certain groups for the President was wrong.

In terms of Warren,I am still pissed the GOP forced her out of the head spot over at the CFPB. Wall Street was shivering in fear of her and fought (and pushed their GOP) friends against her appointment to that post, but I think they have created a bigger problem for themselves with her in the Senate. She is a very impressive intellectual.


Haha Dap that's the last thing Elizabth Warren is: an intellectual.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:10 AM

They just called Iowa for President Obama (6 e-votes)

smile


TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:12 AM

And NM too. Another 5.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:13 AM

Fox and ABC have the president at 244 vs. Romney's 203.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:13 AM

Obama won OH!! He wins! smile clap




TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:14 AM

clap
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:14 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
My 303 electoral votes for Obama is looking low.


I had 303 as well and it is looking low at this point...I am impressed with the Democratic turnout in some of the battleground states especially in Florida. Looks like the myth of lower enthusiasm amongst certain groups for the President was wrong.

In terms of Warren,I am still pissed the GOP forced her out of the head spot over at the CFPB. Wall Street was shivering in fear of her and fought (and pushed their GOP) friends against her appointment to that post, but I think they have created a bigger problem for themselves with her in the Senate. She is a very impressive intellectual.


Haha Dap that's the last thing Elizabth Warren is: an intellectual.


Partisanship aside, I call it like I see it and she is. A Harvard Law school professor, bankruptcy law expert, she helped oversee TARP, CFPB, and written a few books. She is an impressive woman.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:17 AM

Fox just upped the electoral votes to 262 for President Obama.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:17 AM

274 to 203 on msnbc for obama, four more years

cnn projects victory for obama
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:17 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
clap



AND He still may win FL which would be a really big deal. smile



TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:18 AM

CNN projects Obama now, too!
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:19 AM

It's over. Four more years. Ladies and gentleman, welcome to four more years of bullshit
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:21 AM

Yes!
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:21 AM

The economic policies that have shown to be working and improving the economy will continue.

Yea!!!
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:21 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
It's over. Four more years. Ladies and gentleman, welcome to four more years of bullshit


More importantly, welcome to no more Mitt Romney.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:21 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
It's over. Four more years. Ladies and gentleman, welcome to four more years of bullshit


Glad you were gracious at the end.

God bless our President and God bless the Untied States of America!
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:22 AM

Nate Silver predicted 313,I want to see if he will be right...
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:23 AM

Just wait Dap, that thing called the debt is gonna catch up to us and you guys won't be touting him very much then.

The house is still Republican, so let the squabbling begin.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:24 AM

I have to give Romney his congratulations, he ran a very good operation. In the last couple of months I seriously thought he was going to sneak it out.

Thank god this is all over.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:25 AM

Everyone as a Mitt Romney supporter I would like to say congratualtions to Barack Obama for his reelection. A job well done on his part.

But I'm just afraid nothing is going to get done. That's my biggest fear. That the super left will clash with the super right and it'll be four years wasted.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Nate Silver predicted 313,I want to see if he will be right...


Well, FL is the biggest e-vote count (don't remember exact e-Votes) Don't think it'll be quite that high.

As far as the popular vote, he is still behind but it was mentioned that out here in CA only a small fraction of the votes have been counted along with the other Western States.

Anyway, a very good night for the Obama Team!!! smile

TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:26 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
It's over. Four more years. Ladies and gentleman, welcome to four more years of bullshit


More importantly, welcome to no more Mitt Romney.

Amen to that.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I have to give Romney his congratulations, he ran a very good operation.


Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:26 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Just wait Dap, that thing called the debt is gonna catch up to us and you guys won't be touting him very much then.

The house is still Republican, so let the squabbling begin.


As an economist, the growth in the debt is a long-term issue that can be easily curtailed with the expiration of the bush tax cuts and some minor tinkering with a few programs along with good fiscal stewardship. It shouldn't be an immediate short-term priority. I personally think we need some more stimulus, but thats a conversation for another day.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:27 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I have to give Romney his congratulations, he ran a very good operation.


Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.



Ha ha ha ha!!! Amen!! clap



TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:28 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I have to give Romney his congratulations, he ran a very good operation.


Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.


hahaha
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:30 AM

Obama now up in VA. Let's run up the score. smile
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:30 AM

Unfair bashing of Romney. I'm calling it right now. You can celebrate President Obama's victory, but there is no need to insult Romney, he ran a good campaign and he did his best.

This is exactly what we don't need. The winners kicking the losers while they're down.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:32 AM

You're right, JoeSchmo..... we shouldn't fuck his horse.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:32 AM

Congratulations to fellow democrats! YES YES YES! YAY for president Obama. smile
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:33 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
You're right, JoeSchmo..... we shouldn't fuck his horse.


Come on SC, whether you liked Romney or not (and I know you didn't) let's move on to the bigger issue which is for Congress to get along and get something done.

Call me crazy but does this board lean a little left???
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:34 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Unfair bashing of Romney. I'm calling it right now. You can celebrate President Obama's victory, but there is no need to insult Romney, he ran a good campaign and he did his best.

This is exactly what we don't need. The winners kicking the losers while they're down.


His campaign was a disaster.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Obama now up in VA. Let's run up the score. smile


I have to look up all the electoral votes but IF he wins FL/VA, that's 29 & 13 EV = 42 + 275 =317 right? Maybe Silver will be right after all. smile



TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:36 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Call me crazy but does this board lean a little left???


A little, but we have our share of right-wingers, too.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:36 AM

Yeah well Obama wasn't exactly a saint either. All they really did was slam Romney instead of telling us what they were going to do.

Although I admit, Romney did not do a good job of presenting himself as a viable alternative. He just couldn't pull it off.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:37 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Call me crazy but does this board lean a little left???


A little, but we have our share of right-wingers, too.


Name one besides Skinny. I support Romney but I'm not a right winger. Just pointing that out.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:40 AM

Fox reports Romney not ready to concede Ohio or the election.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:40 AM

It's not my place to point out other members' political leanings, but when you've been here a little longer you'll see them, too.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:40 AM

I'm not sure if my fellow West Wing fan Goombah will be visiting here, but when I heard that Governor Romney had not prepared a concession speech, only a victory speech, all I could think of was Toby on election night when asked why he was preparing a concession speech for President Bartlet: "You want to tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing?". lol

I'm very proud to be an American tonight, and very proud of President Obama.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:41 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Yeah well Obama wasn't exactly a saint either. All they really did was slam Romney instead of telling us what they were going to do.

Although I admit, Romney did not do a good job of presenting himself as a viable alternative. He just couldn't pull it off.


Thats exactly what Romney did as well bash Obama along with all the birthers and their crew.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Fox reports Romney not ready to concede Ohio or the election.


Just saw that as well, dont tell me he is going to be a sore loser now. At least have the decency to bow out gracefully.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:44 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
It's not my place to point out other members' political leanings, but when you've been here a little longer you'll see them, too.


I'll keep that in mind I guess *sigh
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Fox reports Romney not ready to concede Ohio or the election.


Just saw that as well, dont tell me he is going to be a sore loser now. At least have the decency to bow out gracefully.


To be honest, Ohio is very close with 25% still out.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Yeah well Obama wasn't exactly a saint either. All they really did was slam Romney instead of telling us what they were going to do.

Although I admit, Romney did not do a good job of presenting himself as a viable alternative. He just couldn't pull it off.


Thats exactly what Romney did as well bash Obama along with all the birthers and their crew.


This election showed me that President Obama wants to push his own agenda (which is too left) and he doesn't give a damn about people who disagree with him. He's simply going to squabble all day with the House and once again nothing will happen. That's my main concern.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Fox reports Romney not ready to concede Ohio or the election.


Just saw that as well, dont tell me he is going to be a sore loser now. At least have the decency to bow out gracefully.


To be honest, Ohio is very close with 25% still out.


Even Karl Rove on Fox News said "It's over", if Romney wants to be that guy then oh well.

I had been watching Sons of Anarchy and sneaking in election coverage during commercial breaks. Glad this is over.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:48 AM

The BOARD doesn't lean one way or another. The members that are more vocal and politically involved and have been posting here in this thread might have certain beliefs. However, everyone has the right to speak their mind and state their opinions.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:52 AM

If Obama holds his leads in the final states, it will be a 331-204 landslide.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:52 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Yeah well Obama wasn't exactly a saint either. All they really did was slam Romney instead of telling us what they were going to do.

Although I admit, Romney did not do a good job of presenting himself as a viable alternative. He just couldn't pull it off.


Thats exactly what Romney did as well bash Obama along with all the birthers and their crew.


This election showed me that President Obama wants to push his own agenda (which is too left) and he doesn't give a damn about people who disagree with him. He's simply going to squabble all day with the House and once again nothing will happen. That's my main concern.


Thats the thing his agenda is not "too left", its the GOP in the House (Tea Party) is "too right" even Fox News says this is the case all the the time. It can be argued that this President has been pretty moderate with no public option health insurance, wall street bailout, and extended the bush tax cuts.

I personally hope McConnell and Boehner (especially him) grows a pair and agrees to work with the President just like last time before the Tea Party refused to vote on anything Boehner negotiated with Obama. The Tea Party held the past 2 years largely hostage.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:53 AM

Well, Fox has called the election and Ohio for the President.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
The BOARD doesn't lean one way or another. The members that are more vocal and politically involved and have been posting here in this thread might have certain beliefs. However, everyone has the right to speak their mind and state their opinions.


Everyone has a right Sicilian Babe and I support that 100 percent. It just seems too partisan is what I'm saying. Since Obama is going to be our President, we HAVE to figure out how to lower this debt and lower our unemployment rate. But we also must to consider other points of view. Both Republicans and Democrats have to do that.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:57 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Well, Fox has called the election and Ohio for the President.

Romney just took a small lead in Ohio, but what's still out is mostly all in the heavily Democratic areas.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Yeah well Obama wasn't exactly a saint either. All they really did was slam Romney instead of telling us what they were going to do.

Although I admit, Romney did not do a good job of presenting himself as a viable alternative. He just couldn't pull it off.


Thats exactly what Romney did as well bash Obama along with all the birthers and their crew.


This election showed me that President Obama wants to push his own agenda (which is too left) and he doesn't give a damn about people who disagree with him. He's simply going to squabble all day with the House and once again nothing will happen. That's my main concern.


Thats the thing his agenda is not "too left", its the GOP in the House (Tea Party) is "too right" even Fox News says this is the case all the the time. It can be argued that this President has been pretty moderate with no public option health insurance, wall street bailout, and extended the bush tax cuts.

I personally hope McConnell and Boehner (especially him) grows a pair and agrees to work with the President just like last time before the Tea Party refused to vote on anything Boehner negotiated with Obama. The Tea Party held the past 2 years largely hostage.


Taxing the hell out of the rich? Spending more money on government programs we can't afford? Regulation on business?

That is not the agenda of a moderate. President Obama and his staff are NOT moderates and their first four years have reflected that. Granted, the right has disappointed me. The tea partiers are an annoying group of morons, but this administration is more anti-commerce than any other in our history. That's disturbing to me.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:04 AM

123, we're allowed to be partisan. None of us are in office (at least that I know of).

As for the politicians, they should remember what Al Gore said in his 2000 concession speech: "I call on all Americans – I particularly urge all who stood with us – to unite behind our next president. This is America. Just as we fight hard when the stakes are high, we close ranks and come together when the contest is done. Now is the time to recognize that that which unites us is greater than that which divides us.”
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:09 AM

[/quote]

Taxing the hell out of the rich? Spending more money on government programs we can't afford? Regulation on business?

That is not the agenda of a moderate. President Obama and his staff are NOT moderates and their first four years have reflected that. Granted, the right has disappointed me. The tea partiers are an annoying group of morons, but this administration is more anti-commerce than any other in our history. That's disturbing to me.[/quote]

Your incorrect sir, Obama wants to bring the rates for the rich back to Clinton-era rates when this country experienced great economic growth. Dont get me started on all the deductions and tax credits the rich are able to take (just ask Romney). Anti commerce? Not much, the market under Obama has experienced tremendous growth the Dow is up over 50%!! since he took office four years ago, only FDR and Clinton experienced such returns while in office, this is in the WSJ see below.

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/11/06/what-an-obama-win-may-mean-for-stocks/

Facts are facts cant really argue with them.

I am a moderate dem, I vote on policy issues and raw data. Today I even voted for a Republican on my ballot for a state seat. I actually disect the unemployment numbers, commerce data (import and export) and other crap you dont even want to know straight from the federal reserve myself and that is what I base my decisions on what policies to support. I dont care for ads and political talking points, I look at the facts.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:11 AM

Fox calculates 290 Obama and 203 Romney.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:11 AM

Of course you're allowed to be partisan. But does that really make for a better country? When people in our government are "partisan" it just means they won't get along. The last two years is living proof of that. The Dems are too left, the GOP is too right.

The word "bipartisan" is often a postive thing. Clinton and the republicans of the nineties were, but it's not looking that way now. I wouldn't have such an issue with President Obama if he simply took the initiative (like supporting the Simpson-Bowles plan!!!) to try and work with the other side. But to do this, he has to concede just as the right has to concede. It's about compromise.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:15 AM

Alright im off folks, have a good night! Glad this is all over, now lets put this all behind us and work toward restoring America.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
[/quote]

Taxing the hell out of the rich? Spending more money on government programs we can't afford? Regulation on business?

That is not the agenda of a moderate. President Obama and his staff are NOT moderates and their first four years have reflected that. Granted, the right has disappointed me. The tea partiers are an annoying group of morons, but this administration is more anti-commerce than any other in our history. That's disturbing to me.


Your incorrect sir, Obama wants to bring the rates for the rich back to Clinton-era rates when this country experienced great economic growth. Dont get me started on all the deductions and tax credits the rich are able to take (just ask Romney). Anti commerce? Not much, the market under Obama has experienced tremendous growth the Dow is up over 50%!! since he took office four years ago, only FDR and Clinton experienced such returns while in office, this is in the WSJ see below.

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/11/06/what-an-obama-win-may-mean-for-stocks/

Facts are facts cant really argue with them.

I am a moderate dem, I vote on policy issues and raw data. Today I even voted for a Republican on my ballot for a state seat. I actually disect the unemployment numbers, commerce data (import and export) and other crap you dont even want to know straight from the federal reserve myself and that is what I base my decisions on what policies to support. I dont care for ads and political talking points, I look at the facts.[/quote]

Well you're better than most Dap. I gotta respect you because despite disagreements you honor my opinion. I just want these four years to be positive just like any other American.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:19 AM

I'm talking about discussing the election and what we favor in one candidate over the other. Do we all need to work together? Yes. Will we? Who knows. If you have certain strong ideological difference, don't you also owe it to your constituents, who put you in office because they believe you will vote along those lines?

Btw, just saw on CBS News that Governor Romney will not concede at this time. His headquarters in Boston sure looks like he already has.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:19 AM

Don't any of my fellow BBers remember the Bush/Kerry era? Liberals got attacked constantly as did our candidate, beyond discussion. The other side could be brutal. PLUS, any negative comments about King Bush and you were unpatriotic. lol Remember?

As the BB rule goes, you don't like a post or poster ignore and really for the most part, I was able to do so. I don't recall getting into any big arguments.

But , oh no, I'm not gonna feel bad or apologize for feeling good tonight. NOT ONE BIT. smile


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:22 AM

Yes, TIS, 123 should have been here during past elections! Man, there were some BRUTAL debates, especially in 2008!

That said, I don't think I can stay up much longer waiting for the Governor to scribble his speech on a cocktail napkin and get on stage.

Decisions are made by those who show up. I'm just happy to see so many people involved and interested in the process!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:26 AM

Btw, I was on the phone and don't know why it is the Romney isn't gonna concede? Is he waiting for OH/FL? I don't get why?


smile
TIS
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:29 AM

Their were a lot of voters this time around and that is certainly encouraging. Last time around I was an Obama supporter and I would've been celebrating with you all in 2008 (my first election actually). But I cannot say the same for tonight.

I must say I'm very discouraged by what I see from America. Voting out Scott Brown was just one. But I'm worried sick right now. I just can't see our country's situation getting better because Obama and the House won't get along. Plain and simple.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:30 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Btw, I was on the phone and don't know why it is the Romney isn't gonna concede? Is he waiting for OH/FL? I don't get why?


smile
TIS


He's a sore loser.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:33 AM

Well the President doesn't come out and give his speech until Romney gives his. I expect it's not just the Republican politicians but the people who are taken aback by this win. I don't think they expected it.
smile

TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:39 AM

It shouldn't come as a big surprise to anyone that Romney lost. It was predicted. What is somewhat surprising is that he is going to lose the electoral vote almost as bad as McCain did.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:41 AM

VA to Obama. C'mon Willard. What are you waiting for now?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:43 AM

JL,

What's his electoral count now, I'm confused. lol



TIS

I thinks it's 284 and also he is now leading in popular vote tho not by that much so far.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:43 AM

Quote:
Donald Trump: Election Is 'Total Sham And A Travesty,' Suggests 'Revolution' Is Necessary.


lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/donald-trump-election-revolution_n_2085864.html
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:45 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
JL,

What's his electoral count now, I'm confused. lol



TIS

I thinks it's 284


CNN has it 303-203
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:45 AM

Give it some time. He'll come out soon.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:46 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Quote:
Donald Trump: Election Is 'Total Sham And A Travesty,' Suggests 'Revolution' Is Necessary.


lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/donald-trump-election-revolution_n_2085864.html


He's an ass
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou

CNN has it 303-203


you were right on the money Lou! Good for you. grin
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:48 AM

Romney to speak at 12:55.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:53 AM

Wisconsin has gone to Obama! Considering the last controversy there, it seems democrats there don't get out to vote unless there's a presidential election. Oh, well, at least for this one they do vote. wink
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 06:06 AM

Okay, Huffington post has electoral votes 303 - 203. What was Nate Silver's prediction again? confused


TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 06:08 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Okay, Huffington post has electoral votes 303 - 203. What was Nate Silver's prediction again? confused


TIS

313-225
Should I hope Obama loses Florida so my prediction comes true? tongue
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:06 AM

Quote:
CHICAGO — President Barack Obama says the American people have "picked ourselves up" and fought back during tough economic times, declaring after winning re-election that the "best is yet to come."

Obama says he wants to meet with Republican rival Mitt Romney to discuss how they can work together. He says they may have "battled fiercely, but it's only because we love this country deeply."


So Gracious. smile

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121107/us-obama/
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Okay, Huffington post has electoral votes 303 - 203. What was Nate Silver's prediction again? confused


TIS

313-225
Should I hope Obama loses Florida so my prediction comes true? tongue


Personally I thought 313 is a little too much, but it seems the best is yet to come. grin 332! Nobody expected Florida to go to Obama. smile
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:19 AM

Here's what I posted to Facebook, for posterity...

Quote:

Very, very close election! I can't say I supported either -- I went 3rd Party (Libertarian) to send a message. Trouble is, that message goes largely unheard unless more and more people have the balls to vote that way.

BUT, let's pray and hope that 4 more years will improve things, rather that hurt things. As a proud American I can put differences aside and wish Obama the best -- because it's not the politics, but the PEOPLE, that matters most!

God bless (and watch over) America!


I don't HATE Obama, I just disagree with some things. And I actually love the First Lady! I don't particularly like Romney at all. That's why I didn't vote for either.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:21 AM

I don't believe him for a second. He says the best is yet to come? He will have to prove that. Make the debt go down and encourage business then maybe I'll feel better about him as our president.
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:21 AM

I just watched Obama's speech on television. But I'm a little confused, as I didn't have the TV on until just before he spoke - did Romney make any sort of concession speech beforehand? Did I miss something here?


Signor V.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli
I just watched Obama's speech on television. But I'm a little confused, as I didn't have the TV on until just before he spoke - did Romney make any sort of concession speech beforehand? Did I miss something here?


Signor V.

Yes, he did that about 10 minutes before president's speech. I just didn't post it. grin
Quote:
BOSTON — Republican Mitt Romney conceded defeat in the presidential contest early Wednesday, saying the nation had chosen Barack Obama to remain president for another term and that it was time for the nation to unite behind him.

"This is a time of great challenges for America, and I pray that the president will be successful in guiding our nation," Romney said.

Romney spoke to cheering supporters in a hotel ballroom in Boston. The former Massachusetts governor said he was proud of the campaign he had run but that voters had made another choice.

Romney thanked his running mate Paul Ryan, saying that besides his wife, Ann, the Wisconsin congressman was "the best choice I've ever made." Romney predicted Ryan would have a bright future serving the nation.

Romney struck a note of bipartisanship after the bitterly fought contest, saying elected officials must find common ground.

"We can't risk partisan bickering and political posturing. Our leaders have to work across the aisle to do the people's work," Romney said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121107/us-romney/
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:27 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I don't believe him for a second. He says the best is yet to come? He will have to prove that.


He was talking about that 29 electoral votes from Florida. grin
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:27 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
I went 3rd Party (Libertarian) to send a message. Trouble is, that message goes largely unheard unless more and more people have the balls to vote that way.


Testicles notwithstanding, I don't even recall a Libertarian candidate on the ballot in New York - unless I was in a fog which is entirely possible.

Was there a Libertarian candidate on the ballot in New Jersey? Or was yours a write-in vote?


Signor V.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:29 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
That's why I didn't vote for either.


Geoff, what wouldn't I give to have this two party political system right here. I mean practically Ahmadinejad came as an independent and we didn't know who he was, well it was obvious to the like of me, but most people had no slightest idea when voted for him. Emerging from a well known political party that vets a candidate is a far more better way.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:31 AM

Yay, Obama is doing well in popular vote as well. Trump could shut his trap now. 49.8% to 48.7%.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:37 AM

Afsaneh77 Are you a member of the NRA?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli
Was there a Libertarian candidate on the ballot in New Jersey?


Gary Johnson (#3) was on the ballet in 48 states. And I agree with him more than I agree with either Obama or Romney!

It's a horrific shame that we can't get a 3rd (or even 4th) voice in this "democratic" state we live in. ohwell


Posted By: XDCX

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:40 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Trump could shut his trap now.


Trump has vowed that due to the results of this election, there will be hell toupe. rolleyes whistle
Posted By: Signor Vitelli

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:41 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Trump could shut his trap now.


Oh, how I wish that would happen - permanently! In fact, I'd be the first one to volunteer to stitch his lips shut!

But, with Obama in the White House for four more years, I think we'll have to put up with four more years of Trump spewing his garbage. Bleechh!

However, there is always the microscopic chance that the media will decide to ignore the fool.


Signor V.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:43 AM

Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Afsaneh77 Are you a member of the NRA?


My Avatar gave it away? lol No actually, I'm in love with "Justified," the series staring Timothy Olyphant as a US Marshal. I'm not sure what I feel about right to bear arms. Used to not like it, now I think I need to think more. wink
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:45 AM

I didn't get to see all of Romney's Speech just clips of it. Did he even bother to thank his voters or campaign workers or anyone ?
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:45 AM

Well, There's no point for Trump trying to prove anything about Obama now, it's not like Mr President needs to stand for another election. Though a comic relief is not that bad if you think about it. lol
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:46 AM

Romney: I'll pray for obama what a sore loser lol
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:57 AM

Now Obama leading with 49.9% - 48.6%.

On that note I remember one time somebody called in a sport TV event here that people were voting for their favorite team and was accusing fraud in vote count because "why the hell the percentage went down for my fav team?? it should only go up." lol True story. lol
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 07:58 AM

I just flipped out on a lot of my friends on facebook that have had jobs handed to them by their wealthy parents? I mean they've had hand me outs their whole life lol

A mormon president all these republican anchors have tears in their eyes lol
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:05 AM

Has Clint Eastwood already apologised to a chair?
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:19 AM

Now: 50.0%-48.5%. Obama is about 1.6 million votes ahead.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:22 AM


Obama won, dear... your news is a little behind I guess wink
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:23 AM

Anyone think the viral video made Romney look like even more of a fraud with the rigged machine
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:23 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Obama won, dear... your news is a little behind I guess wink


Maybe he has dial-up
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:24 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Obama won, dear... your news is a little behind I guess wink


Doing the popular vote now. Didn't you read the last page? Trump called for a revolution to end electoral college, which I agree with him, but just to rob the popular vote in his face, I'd keep reporting. wink
Posted By: Don Zadjali

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Danito
Has Clint Eastwood already apologised to a chair?

lol

Is this real?? confused


-

Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:27 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Obama won, dear... your news is a little behind I guess wink


Doing the popular vote now. Didn't you read the last page? Trump called for a revolution to end electoral college, which I agree with him, but just to rob the popular vote in his face, I'd keep reporting. wink

I see... sorry! And, I kinda agree as well! Why shouldn't the popular vote determine it?!! Electoral College B.S. seems so 1700's ohwell
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:36 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
I see... sorry! And, I kinda agree as well! Why shouldn't the popular vote determine it?!! Electoral College B.S. seems so 1700's ohwell


Well, with this degree of participation it seems to be working fine. I imagine if there was not an electoral college, the winner would've not been projected yet. Florida is still trying to count 1% of votes. lol

Now 50.0%-48.4% with a solid 1.7 million lead for Obama.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Don Zadjali

Is this real?? confused



Yeah, they took this one voting machine out after the video was posted in YouTube.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 09:43 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Obama won, dear... your news is a little behind I guess wink


Doing the popular vote now. Didn't you read the last page? Trump called for a revolution to end electoral college, which I agree with him, but just to rob the popular vote in his face, I'd keep reporting. wink


The United States should stage a revolution following President Barack Obama’s re-election Tuesday night, according to real estate mogul Donald Trump.

Trump took to Twitter to air his grievances late Tuesday after Obama defeated Republican Mitt Romney.

“He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country!”

Trump previously offered Obama $5 million to the charity of his choice if he released his college records and passport application.


Gee, a twitter tough guy calling for violence because his side lost. I am so threatened by that. I hope the FBI is investigating. I am scared because that is so unAmerican.... whistle
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 09:49 AM

Originally Posted By: XDCX
Trump has vowed that due to the results of this election, there will be hell toupe.



HahahahahAhAha clap
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 09:54 AM

The country has changed. Conservatives can not run the same sort of campaigns that they did in the past. At some point the Republican party is going to need to jettinson the hard right ideologues holding it captive on abortion/contraception, gays, race, immigration, tax policy, etc.

That process will be painful for the party but entertaining to watch and quite necessary. Just as Clinton turned the Democrats right to win elections someone will need to turn the Republicans slightly to the left.

There will be a lot of conservatives attacking Romney over the next few months (years?) but once they get that vitriol out of their system the smarter ones will sit down to analyze how and why they've lost 4 out of the last 6 presidential elections. This can only be good for the country.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Gee, a twitter tough guy calling for violence because his side lost. I am so threatened by that. I hope the FBI is investigating. I am scared because that is so unAmerican.... whistle


And he was not in Florida and not mad about Obama getting elected. Can you believe this? lol

And PA was not in play either. Almost 5% lead for Obama there. grin

I thought everyone went to bed, so I didn't post popular vote reporting. Here it is: 50.2%-48.3% and a 2.1 million lead for Obama.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
The country has changed. Conservatives can not run the same sort of campaigns that they did in the past. At some point the Republican party is going to need to jettinson the hard right ideologues holding it captive on abortion/contraception, gays, race, immigration, tax policy, etc.

That process will be painful for the party but entertaining to watch and quite necessary. Just as Clinton turned the Democrats right to win elections someone will need to turn the Republicans slightly to the left.

There will be a lot of conservatives attacking Romney over the next few months (years?) but once they get that vitriol out of their system the smarter ones will sit down to analyze how and why they've lost 4 out of the last 6 presidential elections. This can only be good for the country.


I don't know, but I don't think if it was not because of charisma of Obama or Clinton these landslides would've happened. Republicans have constantly run on platform of hate and fear. In absence of democratic charisma they've done just fine. For instance Kerry couldn't bring enough voters to change the election in his favor. Granted Bush did a last minute campaign as well, still...
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:34 AM

I think the Repubs will have to reconnnect with reality. There's nothing like a curb-stomping to help a person see the light. I laugh now but I actually want them to do this.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:42 AM

At a low point in the fortunes of the Tory party, Disraeli said, “The pendulum swings.” It does indeed, but it is not going to swing back to limited-government republicanism any time soon; in fact such republicanism has for some time been effectively dead in California, New York, and the other arrantly blue states. Nor, to judge from yesterday’s election, is such republicanism especially vibrant in middle-of-the-road states like Florida, Virginia, Ohio, and Colorado. Put it another way: only once since the 1980s has a Republican candidate won a greater number of votes in a presidential election than the Democratic candidate (Bush in 2004).

Defeat offers clarity. .

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332852/wilderness-michael-knox-beran
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:44 AM

Just for fun I think I will be listening to a lot of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck today...
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:44 AM

So now that it is all done and dusted and amid all the euphoria, will it get any easier for Obama? Will he be able to get anything done? Some fella on our news this morning was waffling away that he is going to be a dead duck for the next four years? Is that right or just more media sensationalism?
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
I think the Repubs will have to reconnnect with reality. There's nothing like a curb-stomping to help a person see the light. I laugh now but I actually want them to do this.


Well, if they embraced minorities and gays and reconciled wih abortions, what would make them stand out? Tax cuts that are not possible for a long time to come? There's been two wars on credit card on top of previous debts and one way or the other, this debt gotta be paid, without letting schools and federally funded programs going to hell. So next, they've to say we're the party that obliterates education and healthcare. Has a nice ring to it. wink
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
So now that it is all done and dusted and amid all the euphoria, will it get any easier for Obama? Will he be able to get anything done? Some fella on our news this morning was waffling away that he is going to be a dead duck for the next four years? Is that right or just more media sensationalism?


They're gonna come after you with everything they've got!
That'll be their first response sure.
But you gotta talk to them. You gotta talk to the Congressional representatives, Boehner, Hannity, that fat b****** Limbaugh. The American people will line up with anyone willing to make some deals. This is almost 2013! Nobody wants more gridlock...
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77

Well, if they embraced minorities and gays and reconciled wih abortions, what would make them stand out? Tax cuts that are not possible for a long time to come? There's been two wars on credit card on top of previous debts and one way or the other, this debt gotta be paid, without letting schools and federally funded programs going to hell. So next, they've to say we're the party that obliterates education and healthcare. Has a nice ring to it. wink


There are actually some northern Republican governors, Christie, Scott Walker, my own governor Rick Snyder, who are conservative but show a lot of fight and backbone, get things done in states that aren't super conservative, and are not easily caricatured as wanting to re-enslave black people, put women back in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant, and deport every single person who's browner than Carlos Santana. tongue

I look to people like that to be in the mix for 2016.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 11:15 AM

Well my wife has been pregnant a lot, but not recently and as for being barefoot in the kitchen, she has full roam of the house if she wants. Jeez....it is the 21st century after all whistle
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Well my wife has been pregnant a lot, but not recently and as for being barefoot in the kitchen, she has full roam of the house if she wants. Jeez....it is the 21st century after all whistle

rolleyes lol lol
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 01:05 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I don't believe him for a second. He says the best is yet to come? He will have to prove that.


He was talking about that 29 electoral votes from Florida. grin


And I was talking about the huffington post article. You got a little mixed up
Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 01:08 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Don't any of my fellow BBers remember the Bush/Kerry era? Liberals got attacked constantly as did our candidate, beyond discussion. The other side could be brutal. PLUS, any negative comments about King Bush and you were unpatriotic. lol Remember?

As the BB rule goes, you don't like a post or poster ignore and really for the most part, I was able to do so. I don't recall getting into any big arguments.

But , oh no, I'm not gonna feel bad or apologize for feeling good tonight. NOT ONE BIT. smile

TIS


I remember too well. Kind of why I have scaled way back from participating in these threads.

The guy I voted for won last night, but that doesn't mean I'm looking at everything through rose-colored glasses. Obama has a huge mess still on his hands. Hopefully both sides can work together and put some of their differences aside and do what's best for the country, not just their own political party.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 01:10 PM

Congratulations to the Democrats on here. Now let's hope the haters in the house of representatives are not gonna be too much of a pain in the ass.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 01:25 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I don't believe him for a second. He says the best is yet to come? He will have to prove that.


He was talking about that 29 electoral votes from Florida. grin


And I was talking about the huffington post article. You got a little mixed up


And I was kidding, you have no sense of humor. tongue
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Call me crazy but does this board lean a little left???


A little, but we have our share of right-wingers, too.


Name one besides Skinny. I support Romney but I'm not a right winger. Just pointing that out.


The late Ivyleague for instance. But he isn't posting here anymore out of principle because he was banned for two weeks. He did not maintain this principle at the real deal though, but maybe a one week ban is acceptable for him...
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:08 PM

So, it's early here an I'm checking. Did the President get FL and is that included in the 303 EV count?

smile


TIS
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:15 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
So, it's early here an I'm checking. Did the President get FL and is that included in the 303 EV count?

smile


TIS


Not yet, Huffpost mentioned this, but has not yet included that 29 votes for Obama.

Quote:
Obama leads Romney 49.8% to 49.3% in #FL with 100% reporting
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:42 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
So, it's early here an I'm checking. Did the President get FL and is that included in the 303 EV count?

smile


TIS


Not yet, Huffpost mentioned this, but has not yet included that 29 votes for Obama.

Quote:
Obama leads Romney 49.8% to 49.3% in #FL with 100% reporting



Good morning (evening) Afs. smile


Thanks for the info. I see even some of the CA props here went the way I voted too. A good election all and all IMHO. smile

TIS
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Good morning (evening) Afs. smile


Thanks for the info. I see even some of the CA props here went the way I voted too. A good election all and all IMHO. smile

TIS


Good Morning TIS! smile

Yeah, and Colorado and Washington(?) legalized marijuana. grin
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I don't believe him for a second. He says the best is yet to come? He will have to prove that.


He was talking about that 29 electoral votes from Florida. grin


And I was talking about the huffington post article. You got a little mixed up


And I was kidding, you have no sense of humor. tongue


Not exactly in a humorous mood when this country is facing four more years of partisan fighting. We have the wrong people in the house and a man in the oval office who I do not trust to solve our economic problems.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:21 PM

Shmoe you have no clue what you are talking about. Obama accomplished more in his first term than anyone other than FDR and LBJ, and he did it in the face of a reactionary congress led by the wackos in the House and the racist Mitch McConnell who made it clear from the get go that his primary goal was to make Obama a one term president. Now that the far right has been given the spanking it deserves, moderates from both sides of th aisle may be able to work out compromises to allow the country to move FORWARD even more.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:25 PM

Here is what some of the rest of the world thinks of President Obama's victory. smile With the exception of Iran, pretty positive. Check out the slideshow too. Nice pics

TIS

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/world-reaction-to-2012-el_n_2087153.html#slide=more261799
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:25 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Shmoe you have no clue what you are talking about. Obama accomplished more in his first term than anyone other than FDR and LBJ, and he did it in the face of a reactionary congress led by the wackos in the House and the racist Mitch McConnell who made it clear from the get go that his primary goal was to make Obama a one term president. Now that the far right has been given the spanking it deserves, moderates from both sides of th aisle may be able to work out compromises to allow the country to move FORWARD even more.


I knew from his postings before the election that he was going to be bitter when his boy Romney lost. He needs to get over it. It was an electoral landslide. The people have spoken.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:29 PM

Has anyone checked Fox News? Have they gone off totally off the walls yet? lol




TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Has anyone checked Fox News? Have they gone off totally off the walls yet? lol


TIS


I watched a lot of Fox last night, and surprisingly the post Obama victory coverage wasn't too bad. The funniest part was Karl Rove coming on after they declared Obama the winner. He claimed Ohio was still in play and the election wasn't over.
rolleyes
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Has anyone checked Fox News? Have they gone off totally off the walls yet? lol




TIS


ROFL ... Karl Rove refused to believe Romney lost Ohio, Bill O'Reilly said white men no longer control America, and essentially that its all over for this country, an anchor walked off the set, and of course not on Fox Donald Trump has called for a revolution!

I expect Faux News will just go on and pretend Romney won.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:38 PM

AND all the superpac money put into the election. Can you imagine?? uhwhat




TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:41 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
AND all the superpac money put into the election. Can you imagine?? uhwhat




TIS


Apparently it didn't make any difference.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:47 PM

With the Tea Baggers backfiring in the Senate, and Romney's overwhelming rejection by the American people, maybe the GOP will get smart and take the party back to the center.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:51 PM

Well, everyone at Fox News is putting up a brave front.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 04:54 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Well, everyone at Fox News is putting up a brave front.


Secretly, they are all happy Obama won. It gives them 4 years of material to work with. If Romney wins, they have nobody to attack every night.
Posted By: Wilson

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:08 PM

So now that Obama won, and more than likely things are only going to improve since people are going to be more willing to work with one another..... Do you think that he will go down as the greatest president in history or one of the best?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Wilson
Do you think that he will go down as the greatest president in history or one of the best?

Based on his first term? Not even close.

But he was the only choice this election year. Romney was just too out of touch. Now let's hope that Obama can right the ship here, have a Reaganasque/Clintonesque second term (your choice), and shut everyone the fuck up.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Wilson
Do you think that he will go down as the greatest president in history or one of the best?


lol Let's slow down a little. I think it's safe to say he won't go down as the greatest President ever. Right now, I grade him as "good" and underrated for pulling the U.S. out of the disaster that was George Bush's 2 terms. 4 years from now, ask again how he stands in history.
Posted By: Wilson

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:26 PM

What I am saying is if he pulls everyone together during his second term, and even makes more improvements to the point where unemployment is down to say 3 or 4 percent and so forth, does he go down as one of the best? Gas prices would be around $2.00 a gallon in 2016.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:27 PM

Republicans in full "buyer's remorse" mode with Romney this morning on all the talk shows.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Wilson
What I am saying is if he pulls everyone together during his second term, and even makes more improvements to the point where unemployment is down to say 3 or 4 percent and so forth, does he go down as one of the best? Gas prices would be around $2.50 cents a gallon.


In today's age, unemployment will never be that low with any President. If gas goes that low, it probably will have nothing to do with Obama. One of the biggest myths is that the President can make the price of gas go up or down. In reality, he has little control of it. Before the election, experts predicted that no matter who won the election, things will probably be much better in 4 years, and whoever was in office would take/get credit for it.

Many people predict now that the left and right will both move more to the center to get things done. Let's hope they're right.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Republicans in full "buyer's remorse" mode with Romney this morning on all the talk shows.

Well, then they shouldn't have bought him whistle.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Many people predict now that the left and right will both move more to the center to get things done. Let's hope they're right.

From your mouth to God's ears, Lou. Political moderacy is the only hope for the future. The only hope. People who can't see that from too far down either side of the political aisle are living in the past.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

From your mouth to God's ears, Lou. Political moderacy is the only hope for the future. The only hope. People who can't see that from too far down either side of the political aisle are living in the past.


I think there's a good chance of it happening. Obama is now all about his legacy, and he no longer has to suck up to the base. He can move to the center. The Republicans saw their extreme right policies blow up in their faces in both the Presidential election, and Senate races. If they're smart, they'll work with the Democrats.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

From your mouth to God's ears, Lou. Political moderacy is the only hope for the future. The only hope. People who can't see that from too far down either side of the political aisle are living in the past.


I think there's a good chance of it happening. Obama is now all about his legacy, and he no longer has to suck up to the base. He can move to the center. The Republicans saw their extreme right policies blow up in their faces in both the Presidential election, and Senate races. If they're smart, they'll work with the Democrats.

That's the key.
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 05:46 PM

The amount of money spent on these campaigns and advertising was disgusting, that money could of been used to help people in need etc.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyScarfo
The amount of money spent on these campaigns and advertising was disgusting, that money could of been used to help people in need etc.


Well thats that "cool" phenomenom called Mass Hypnosis and no1 cares where the money goes and how much of it,just go out and vote....again frown
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 06:32 PM

I understand there is a contingent of House Republicans who are going to break with the tea party and engage in negotiations. Apparently Obama and Boehner get along fairly well and were very close to striking the "grand bargain." With electoral politics out of the way for at least six months (2014 looms!) it is in Omama's and Boehmer's best interest to push through a tax and deficit cutting deal,and move us away from the cliff. It is also something that would enhance both men's legacies. Obama would be seen as a better president and Boehner a better and stronger speaker of the house. Let's hope they can do what Reagan and Tip O'Neill did.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Let's hope they can do what Reagan and Tip O'Neill did.

The love that dare not speak its name?
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:27 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Has anyone checked Fox News? Have they gone off totally off the walls yet? lol




TIS


ROFL ... Karl Rove refused to believe Romney lost Ohio, Bill O'Reilly said white men no longer control America, and essentially that its all over for this country, an anchor walked off the set, and of course not on Fox Donald Trump has called for a revolution!

I expect Faux News will just go on and pretend Romney won.


Karl Rove is having a painful day after, trying to explain how his machine failed to deliver. On a side note my poor brother-in-law has been in NYC three times in the last year and a half, and every time there he's been stopped by people, who thinks he's Karl Rove. He even had to show his license to a lady, who didn't believe it.

On other notes PA delivered by 5 points as I said it would a couple weeks ago. The day will come again when it goes republican in a presidential race, but this certainly wasn't the time.

I think Congress is going to have to back off its stated priority of doing whatever it can to undermine the President. They won't be running against an incumbent. They won't be as attached to the Tea Party agenda that took all the credit for the 2010 midterm elections, and they know they're being watched closely.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:45 PM

Not that it matters now, but what's going on in Florida? Is there going to be a recount again? lol Why don't they project the winner yet?
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Not that it matters now, but what's going on in Florida? Is there going to be a recount again? lol Why don't they project the winner yet?


I think the voting lines in Dade County are presently down to a three hour wait. Voter suppression must continue even when it's defeated by the people.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 08:57 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Doing the popular vote now. Didn't you read the last page? Trump called for a revolution to end electoral college, which I agree with him, but just to rob the popular vote in his face, I'd keep reporting. wink


I am offering Donald trump $5,000,000 if he can provide me with a videotape of him criticizing the Electoral College in 2000 when Bush defeated Gore despite losing the popular vote. I also require that he also include his seventh grade school transcripts.

He said the election was a sham. It wasn't...even though he did his best to make it one.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 09:03 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Not that it matters now, but what's going on in Florida? Is there going to be a recount again? lol Why don't they project the winner yet?


I think the voting lines in Dade County are presently down to a three hour wait. Voter suppression must continue even when it's defeated by the people.


It was bound to happen when the early voting was cut short. Thank goodness it was not up to Florida and not 2000 all over again.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1


I am offering Donald trump $5,000,000 if he can provide me with a videotape of him criticizing the Electoral College in 2000 when Bush defeated Gore despite losing the popular vote. I also require that he also include his seventh grade school transcripts.

He said the election was a sham. It wasn't...even though he did his best to make it one.


lol Amen to that, nobody from this side was revolting then.

I think they said there are about 2.5 million people undecided. It seems they all voted for Obama, cause that's the number by which he is leading. lol Think of all the money GOP spend and all the false ads. grin
Posted By: ginaitaliangirl

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 09:31 PM

I just can't not post this, I got such a laugh out of how awkward that walk was down to the "Decision Desk."



"There's too much Obama vote..."
"There just aren't enough Republican votes left.."
"Percent certainty? -99.95."
lol
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 09:33 PM

I saw that. As most Fox staff was, Megyn was, at the very least, perplexed.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: ginaitaliangirl
I just can't not post this, I got such a laugh out of how awkward that walk was down to the "Decision Desk."



"There's too much Obama vote..."
"There just aren't enough Republican votes left.."
"Percent certainty? -99.95."
lol



Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha lol Thanks Gina. That IS hilarious.

Boy just couldn't believe their ears hu? Poor Mr. Bush's Brain, crunching those numbers like crazy. Ha ha. After blowing what on the campaign with his super pac? $300 million? Yikes!!


TIS
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 09:41 PM

Thomas Jefferson said:

"I never considered a difference of opinion as to politics, religion and philosophy as a reason to withdraw from a friend."

Thomas Jefferson never watched Fox News.
Posted By: ginaitaliangirl

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 09:53 PM

Jefferson also never used Facebook. lol

My news feed was a train wreck last night - so full of bitter attacks, and yet I kept reading. I must admit I enjoyed the entertainment!
Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: ginaitaliangirl
I just can't not post this, I got such a laugh out of how awkward that walk was down to the "Decision Desk."



"There's too much Obama vote..."
"There just aren't enough Republican votes left.."
"Percent certainty? -99.95."
lol


This is like watching David Letterman walking on camera to the roof to throw a watermelon off the building. I wish the camera would have passed a sobbing Sean Hannity.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:37 PM

This is funny. lol

TIS




Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 11/07/12 10:40 PM

i sure hate fox news as much as any of the other jokester msm, but megan is more than welcome to sleep over whenever she wants!
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:01 AM

I've watched Fox most of the day. Its pundits, for the most part, have been exhibiting a demeanor that is a cross between chagrin and anger.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Shmoe you have no clue what you are talking about. Obama accomplished more in his first term than anyone other than FDR and LBJ, and he did it in the face of a reactionary congress led by the wackos in the House and the racist Mitch McConnell who made it clear from the get go that his primary goal was to make Obama a one term president. Now that the far right has been given the spanking it deserves, moderates from both sides of th aisle may be able to work out compromises to allow the country to move FORWARD even more.


I knew from his postings before the election that he was going to be bitter when his boy Romney lost. He needs to get over it. It was an electoral landslide. The people have spoken.


My boy Romney? I supported him in the election but in no way shape or form was he the perfect candidate. I thought he was a better alternative, because no matter how you people want to spin it, Obama's first terms was sluggish, ineffective and he was not a strong leader. He governed from the left as opposed to the middle and he achieved almost nothing other than the auto bailout, Iraq and killing Osama Bin Laden.

I want nothing more for the House and Obama to work together to get something done I really do. Whether it will happen I don't know but I certainly do not wish ill on our president, I don't want him to fail I and I want this country to go forward in a bipartisan manner, no matter who is in office.

But let's face it, the people elected Obama, but in no way was it by a landslide like the last time. He may have handily beaten Romney in electoral votes, but the popular vote was pretty even. Half of this country is not satisfied with Obama and his administration which has to tell him something.

The Republicans on the other hand, need to stop going so extreme and become more moderate and drop this damn tea party sherade which is the lousiest excuse for politics I have ever seen. People like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann don't belong in any position of power.

Bottom line: we just need to work together and get shit done.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I've watched Fox most of the day. Its pundits, for the most part, have been exhibiting a demeanor that is a cross between chagrin and anger.


Fuck them and the horse they rode in on.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:25 AM

I listened to Beck, Hannity AND Limbaugh today. whistle
Limbaugh was like "F*** all you moochers!".
Hannity said the same thing but admitted the Republicans might need to change branding.
Beck was on the verge of a nervous breakdown. He made comparisons to the American Revolution and said "sometimes God sucks". lol
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:27 AM

Sorry I couldn't resist, enjoy.






Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:38 AM

DD,

I love that first picture. Who is the President on the left with the brown shirt? Cool picture

smile

TIS
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
DD,

I love that first picture. Who is the President on the left with the brown shirt? Cool picture

smile

TIS


LBJ, I love that picture as well!

Who is the guy all the way on the right with the glasses? And who is the guy that his back is facing the picture and is from the old days of the republic?
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:43 AM

Lyndon Johnson.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:46 AM

Who is the guy all the way on the right with the glasses? And who is the guy that his back is facing the picture and is from the old days of the republic?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:47 AM

The news commentators this morning were saying that the Republicans were going to have a rough time every four years. They need to run to the far right to win the primary, but this loses them many votes in the general election.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:50 AM

Exit Polls with comparison to 2008.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/2012-exit-polls/?hpid=z3#United-States
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
The news commentators this morning were saying that the Republicans were going to have a rough time every four years. They need to run to the far right to win the primary, but this loses them many votes in the general election.


Could not agree more. It puts a lot of people off when they spout that kind of garbage in the primary's
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
DD,

I love that first picture. Who is the President on the left with the brown shirt? Cool picture

smile

TIS


LBJ, I love that picture as well!

Who is the guy all the way on the right with the glasses? And who is the guy that his back is facing the picture and is from the old days of the republic?


Glasses is woodrow wilson (28th if I remember right, after Taft though) and the one with his back turned looks like andrew jackson (7th president born on march 15 and is the only president to have no debt).
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Who is the guy all the way on the right with the glasses? And who is the guy that his back is facing the picture and is from the old days of the republic?


I believe that's Woodrow Wilson on the right, and Andrew Jackson facing away.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 12:53 AM

^^Thank you guys!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 01:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
DD,

I love that first picture. Who is the President on the left with the brown shirt? Cool picture

smile

TIS


LBJ, I love that picture as well!

Who is the guy all the way on the right with the glasses? And who is the guy that his back is facing the picture and is from the old days of the republic?




Ahh LBJ. I just KNEW it wasn't who it looked like: Ron Paul lol


The ones on the chair I believe are Truman & FDR. I too am not sure about the guy on the far right. confused


TIS

Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 01:57 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
DD,

I love that first picture. Who is the President on the left with the brown shirt? Cool picture

smile

TIS


LBJ, I love that picture as well!

Who is the guy all the way on the right with the glasses? And who is the guy that his back is facing the picture and is from the old days of the republic?




Ahh LBJ. I just KNEW it wasn't who it looked like: Ron Paul lol


The ones on the chair I believe are Truman & FDR. I too am not sure about the guy on the far right. confused


TIS



Woodrow Wilson on the right and Andrew Jackson who's back is facing the picture
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 03:40 AM

From the Fordham Political Science Dept., here's a list of the polls who got the election right, and got it wrong. From best to worst:

Code:
1. PPP (D)*

1. Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP*

3. YouGov*

4. Ipsos/Reuters*

5. Purple Strategies

6. NBC/WSJ

6. CBS/NYT

6. YouGov/Economist

9. UPI/CVOTER

10. IBD/TIPP

11. Angus-Reid*

12. ABC/WP*

13. Pew Research*

13. Hartford Courant/UConn*

15. CNN/ORC

15. Monmouth/SurveyUSA

15. Politico/GWU/Battleground

15. FOX News

15. Washington Times/JZ Analytics

15. Newsmax/JZ Analytics

15. American Research Group

15. Gravis Marketing

23. Democracy Corps (D)*

24. Rasmussen

24. Gallup

26. NPR

27. National Journal*

28. AP/GfK

Posted By: Don Zadjali

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 07:05 AM

Diane Sawyer - Drunk On Air?



Diane Sawyer's election night performance left some viewers asking if she had begun celebrating the election a bit early.
Co-anchoring ABC News' coverage on Tuesday, the veteran journalist struck a different manner from her practiced, straight-news-delivering style.
Sawyer spoke more slowly than usual while seeming to prop herself on outstretched arms at the anchor desk she shared with George Stephanopoulos.
"OK, I wanna — can we have our music, because this is another big one here? Minnesota, we're ready to project Minnesota, rrright now. ... Well, tonight we know that President Barack has won Minnesota," she said around 10 p.m. EST, stumbling over President Barack Obama's name.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 01:13 PM

In going with the Election theme the BBC showed a documentary from back in 1960 when JFK went up against Hubert H Humphrey in the primary i believe??

Apparently it was the first time it had been done,following politicians on camera,and it was fascinating. They were fighting over Wisconsin. Humphrey looking for the rural vote with hard looking farmers in dungarees and JFK going like a rock star in the urban areas. So many women at his rallies.

The only down side was the constant playing of his old campaign song High Hopes smile
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 01:20 PM

Sounds like an interesting documentary Yogi. I was too young to vote back then but remember being fascinated with the whole JFK era and his appeal. Can't say I remember the "High Hopes" theme (tho I know the song) but it sounds appropriate for JFK for the times.

smile
TIS
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 01:24 PM

They obviously changed the lyrics TIS, to make the song about JFK, but every time he made an appearance all these women kept singing it over and over and over....

Humphrey had none of that of course, but he did seem like a decent sort!!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 01:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
They obviously changed the lyrics TIS, to make the song about JFK, but every time he made an appearance all these women kept singing it over and over and over....

Humphrey had none of that of course, but he did seem like a decent sort!!


Yogi,

I was 12 when JFK campaigned but I remember sitting in front of the tv during debates (or press conferences after he was elected) not totally understanding issues he was talking about, but found him very interesting. One of my biggest thrills was waving to him (actually pretty much up-close) as his motorcade went by (an open convertible with JFK sitting atop the back seat). The only President(actually a candidate at that time) I can say I saw in person. smile

TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 03:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Zadjali
Diane Sawyer - Drunk On Air?



Diane Sawyer's election night performance left some viewers asking if she had begun celebrating the election a bit early.
Co-anchoring ABC News' coverage on Tuesday, the veteran journalist struck a different manner from her practiced, straight-news-delivering style.
Sawyer spoke more slowly than usual while seeming to prop herself on outstretched arms at the anchor desk she shared with George Stephanopoulos.
"OK, I wanna — can we have our music, because this is another big one here? Minnesota, we're ready to project Minnesota, rrright now. ... Well, tonight we know that President Barack has won Minnesota," she said around 10 p.m. EST, stumbling over President Barack Obama's name.


Wasn't that close to Mike Nichols' birthday? Maybe she celebrated to much.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 04:12 PM

I saw George Will after the election pimping Marco Rubio* as the GOP's potential savior in '16, and honetly I like you George, you're intelligent, but you're really really really missing the lesson from this election.

People didn't vote for Bubba in '92 because he was a redneck. He made his party attractive to middle class voters again, triangulated in scoring moderate voters away from the GOP while keeping his party's (whipped) liberal base.

For all his faults, Dubya saw the demographic writing on the wall and campaigned not against Hispanics and stoking whitey's anger, but his "compassionate conservatism." Skinny Vinny, for his obsession about race, he is right that not all Hispanics are lock-stop Democrats and liberals. Dubya won 40% of the Latino vote in '04, record % for a GOP candidate. His party lost 20% of that vote in the next 2 subsequent elections.

Why? After Dubya failed at his immigration reform effort (thanks to his party's base), that's when you had the same Rocky Mountain/Southwest GOPers of that party base go insane with the border fence and Minute Men and all that. Cream topping being the Arizona anti-immigration bill, where cops could (initially) pull over any person that "looked" like an illegal immigrant. (I.E. anybody who looked Hispanic, whatever that means.)

As Skinny did mention (in his blunt language), there are right-winger Hispanics, people who're citizens (most likely lived in America their whole lives) and done every thing and by the book. But I'm pretty certain a good number of them got PISSED OFF when their own party did this because fuck you racist rednecks if you think I'm an illegal immigrant just because I'm a tad too brown for you. It's fucking condescending.

The funny thing was, Obama did nothing for his own party's Latino voting bloc legislatively except for half-heartedly pushing DREAM Act. Hell he deported more people in his first term than Dubya's two terms combined. (Or just about.) Except the GOP in the primaries played to that same dumbass Rocky Mountain/Southwest party base, especially Willard who really nailed Rick Perry's presidential campaign dead to rights over his Texan bill allowing children of illegal immigrants to go to state college. (Which actually a pragmatic solution to a lose-lose isue, but to the GOP that's EVIL!)

And afterwards, the GOP/Willard made little...I'm sorry, no effort to backtrack and make up for that whole "self-deporting" line of his. Instead GOP/Karl Rove concentrated more on raising the white vote out, as it had worked back in the 80s and onward. Well that shit aint gonna work anymore. Willard won the highest white voting % since Reagan in '84, and shit full of good it did him.

What can the GOP do to win back some of that vote? Well for one each time those western GOPers go off about immigrants and all that, RNC should kick them in the balls publicly and tell them to fuck off. Run the party, don't let them do it.

Second, actually be up for Immigration Reform or at least willing to negotiate a bill (or more) to fix that problem. I'm pretty sure Obama will go for that in his 2nd term. Rail against it in typical white rage this side of Fox News, you'll only convince those same Hispanic voters that they're right about their Democratic votes.

If you listen to those idiots who scream AMNESTY! AMNESTY! AMNESTY!, you know what might happen in '16? You'll hear the other side chant this: FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

Third, Obamacare is here to stay. Instead of still running on Repeal/Replace, instead run on Reform, practical solutions to fixing the holes in it. Because once Obamacare finally kicks in during Obama's 2nd term, I'm pretty sure voters will not want to give up the perks of that bill.

*=The problem remains personally for Rubio in that he's Cuban, and the Mexicans and Puerto Ricans and other Latinos...they and Cubans may share the same ethnicity, but that's it in terms of relatability to each other.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 04:13 PM

In '84 when Reagan took every state comfortably, except for Mondale's home state of Minnesota, whichwas decided by less than a percent (I think), there was a lot of talk about the death of the democratic Party and what they needed to do. The conventional perspective of the party at that time was that it was a small, fragmented coalition of unions, minorities, and special interests without a central unifying theme. Back then 88% of the electorate was white.

I think the Republicans have obvious problems connecting with the young, minorities and women (particularly single women), but their most glaring problem is that their agenda seems to be driven by the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, evangelicals, FoxNews and Trump. While Romney was not exactly representative of this mindset, he still pandered to the far right and could not escape its influence.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: ginaitaliangirl
Jefferson also never used Facebook. lol

My news feed was a train wreck last night - so full of bitter attacks, and yet I kept reading. I must admit I enjoyed the entertainment!


Isn't that the truth. I've had some good laughs at people, who are screaming things like "that Muslim Commie is going to bring sharia law to America," "How can anyone support a party that took God out of its platform?" (Frankly, I didn't know that God needs a platform), and my personal favorite "America is no longer a Christian nation;Jesus just rolled over in his grave." You mean ya think he's still dead?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 04:31 PM

3 fun facts, if they haven't been posted yet:

*Obama is the first Democratic President to win the Plurality popular vote since FDR. (Bubba failed both times thanks to Perot.)

*Since 1928, the GOP haven't won a national election without Nixon or either Bush on the ticket.

*Of the last 6 national elections, GOP have won the popular vote only once. ('04)

Originally Posted By: klydon1
In '84 when Reagan took every state comfortably, except for Mondale's home state of Minnesota, whichwas decided by less than a percent (I think), there was a lot of talk about the death of the democratic Party and what they needed to do. The conventional perspective of the party at that time was that it was a small, fragmented coalition of unions, minorities, and special interests without a central unifying theme. Back then 88% of the electorate was white.

I think the Republicans have obvious problems connecting with the young, minorities and women (particularly single women), but their most glaring problem is that their agenda seems to be driven by the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, evangelicals, FoxNews and Trump. While Romney was not exactly representative of this mindset, he still pandered to the far right and could not escape its influence.


I'll never forget what Scott McClelland (former Dubya press secretary) saying that he learned too late that he and the WH didn't run the Republican Party. Fox News (and that media) who ran the agenda.

You know I'm very surprised by the youth turnout being HIGHER than it was 4 years ago. Sure Obama lost 6 points from his '08 total, but he still won comfortably 60%.

I have no proof, but I really wonder if Obama publicly supporting Same Sex Marriage (and pretty much Gay Rights as a whole) is what fueled that youth turnout, especially in northern states where the NOM and those Evangelical wingnuts tried to ban gay marriage. The younger generations, my age bracket, are much more tolerant, much more over the "gay issue" than older peoples are. If the GOP keep openly running against that like it's still 1984, they'll pay for it.

Funny enough the NOM people are now bitching that Willard lost because he tried to avoid the social issues like the plague. No Willard knew better, that America is slowly but surely going not liberal but libertarian regarding gay rights.

Meanwhile, NOM were 0-4 this time in their crusade. Maryland, Maine, and Washington approved SSM. Minnesota rejected a state amendment that would've banned SSM. Go away you crazy assholes. Or better yet, go to the one country in the world that loves your view on women and gays.

Iran. I'm sure they'll call you heroes for the faith. And then lecture you for not car bombing the infidels.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 04:32 PM

Obama didn't so much win this election as Romney lost it. Romney was never a strong candidate--he never got 50% of the vote in the primaries except until the very end. He was an unconvincing campaigner.

But the surge he achieved after the first debate was telling: Obama behaved in the first debate as he has in office: detached, aloof, contemptuous, seemingly not caring about the outcome. A lot of '08 Obama supporters who've been disappointed in him showed their disappointment after that debate because they saw in his performance exactly what they'd been seeing for the past four years.

I wish Obama well in the next four years. I always wish our Presidents well--if they succeed, we all succeed. But, no President has ever done better in his second term than in his first term.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Obama didn't so much win this election as Romney lost it. Romney was never a strong candidate--he never got 50% of the vote in the primaries except until the very end. He was an unconvincing campaigner.

But the surge he achieved after the first debate was telling: Obama behaved in the first debate as he has in office: detached, aloof, contemptuous, seemingly not caring about the outcome. A lot of '08 Obama supporters who've been disappointed in him showed their disappointment after that debate because they saw in his performance exactly what they'd been seeing for the past four years.

I wish Obama well in the next four years. I always wish our Presidents well--if they succeed, we all succeed. But, no President has ever done better in his second term than in his first term.


This election was absolutely winnable for Willard.

But a good data sign for how he and his party blew losing an election with 7.9% unemployment rate (first since FDR), is exit polls showing he had only ONE POINT advantage over Obama when asked who they trusted more on the economy.

ONE POINT? Now that's failure.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
The younger generations, my age bracket, are much more tolerant, much more over the "gay issue" than older peoples are. If the GOP keep openly running against that like it's still 1984, they'll pay for it.



George Will agreed with this point Tuesday night when he said that younger American voters look at gays and lesbians as they would view people, who are left-handed. They're confused by the big deal made over it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 04:47 PM

Well there is hell to pay for Mr. Rove.

Quote:
"The billionaire donors I hear are livid ... There is some holy hell to pay. Karl Rove has a lot of explaining to do ... I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/republican-reckoning-defeat_n_2090510.html
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
*=The problem remains personally for Rubio in that he's Cuban, and the Mexicans and Puerto Ricans and other Latinos...they and Cubans may share the same ethnicity, but that's it in terms of relatability to each other.

That's true, Ronnie. There isn't much cohesion among the Latino groups as a whole. The "rivalry" between them often borders on hatred (Mexicans vs. Puerto Ricans, Puerto Ricans vs. Dominicans, etc.). I hear it all the time here in New York (where, unlike Tennessee, we actually live among these folks tongue grin ).
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 04:54 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Well there is hell to pay for Mr. Rove.

Quote:
"The billionaire donors I hear are livid ... There is some holy hell to pay. Karl Rove has a lot of explaining to do ... I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/republican-reckoning-defeat_n_2090510.html


That's exactly what I was thinking on Election Night. The donors don't mind him being unscrupulous. But when you're unscrupulous and can't deliver with an endless amount of cash, then your head goes on the chopping block.

The Republicans lost 9 of the 10 Senate races where Rove's Crossroads organizations pumped in the most money. It's apparently not as easy to buy an election as it used to be.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 04:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Obama didn't so much win this election as Romney lost it. Romney was never a strong candidate--he never got 50% of the vote in the primaries except until the very end. He was an unconvincing campaigner.

But the surge he achieved after the first debate was telling: Obama behaved in the first debate as he has in office: detached, aloof, contemptuous, seemingly not caring about the outcome. A lot of '08 Obama supporters who've been disappointed in him showed their disappointment after that debate because they saw in his performance exactly what they'd been seeing for the past four years.

I wish Obama well in the next four years. I always wish our Presidents well--if they succeed, we all succeed. But, no President has ever done better in his second term than in his first term.

+1 on everything my favorite Arizona transplant just posted smile.

I, too, was very disappointed in Obama's first term, after being very vocal in support of his 2008 campaign. But at the end of the day, Willard (thanks, Ronnie, now I keep calling him Willard) was just too out of touch and "flip-floppy."

I'll tell you this much (and the far left will hate me for this): If Willard had some of that folksy charm that Dubya had, he'd be celebrating right now. The guy is a mope.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 05:05 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Meanwhile, NOM were 0-4 this time in their crusade. Maryland, Maine, and Washington approved SSM. Minnesota rejected a state amendment that would've banned SSM. Go away you crazy assholes. Or better yet, go to the one country in the world that loves your view on women and gays.

Iran. I'm sure they'll call you heroes for the faith. And then lecture you for not car bombing the infidels.


I can suggest more countries, it's not like we've monopoly on gay bashing. They could also go to Saudi Arabia. I'm pretty sure many Arab countries in the ME would hang gays as well and not that woman friendly. tongue
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Meanwhile, NOM were 0-4 this time in their crusade. Maryland, Maine, and Washington approved SSM. Minnesota rejected a state amendment that would've banned SSM. Go away you crazy assholes. Or better yet, go to the one country in the world that loves your view on women and gays.

Iran. I'm sure they'll call you heroes for the faith. And then lecture you for not car bombing the infidels.


I can suggest more countries, it's not like we've monopoly on gay bashing. They could also go to Saudi Arabia. I'm pretty sure many Arab countries in the ME would hang gays as well and not that woman friendly. tongue

Yeah, it would be very unfair to single out Iran as far as that goes. It seems to be the entire region that's living in the dark ages in that regard frown.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 05:25 PM

So Hillary is leaving next year. Why so soon? Does she need a rest before 2014? grin

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/d...553f_story.html
Posted By: goombah

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 05:27 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Obama didn't so much win this election as Romney lost it. Romney was never a strong candidate--he never got 50% of the vote in the primaries except until the very end. He was an unconvincing campaigner.

But the surge he achieved after the first debate was telling: Obama behaved in the first debate as he has in office: detached, aloof, contemptuous, seemingly not caring about the outcome. A lot of '08 Obama supporters who've been disappointed in him showed their disappointment after that debate because they saw in his performance exactly what they'd been seeing for the past four years.

I wish Obama well in the next four years. I always wish our Presidents well--if they succeed, we all succeed. But, no President has ever done better in his second term than in his first term.

+1 on everything my favorite Arizona transplant just posted smile.

I, too, was very disappointed in Obama's first term, after being very vocal in support of his 2008 campaign. But at the end of the day, Willard (thanks, Ronnie, now I keep calling him Willard) was just too out of touch and "flip-floppy."

I'll tell you this much (and the far left will hate me for this): If Willard had some of that folksy charm that Dubya had, he'd be celebrating right now. The guy is a mope.


Well said Turnbull and Pizzaboy. We don't need a far left and a far right. The voters told us that. We need to meet in the middle and settle these differences as a united country, not a red and blue country.

I also had the same thought about Romney's lack of likeability. I had many people I respect tell me that they voted for Bush in '04 because they liked him. He was not a stuffed shirt like Romney. Romney, quite frankly, reminded me of Kerry (if in demeanor only). Now they both share losing the election in common.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 05:42 PM

I'm still checking Huffpost's election results and it doesn't look like there is going to be a a winner projected for Florida. They said there was 9000 absentee ballot to count. Wonder why it has to take this long. On another strange note, Washington is at 58% reporting. confused Did that approval of marijuana messure had anything to do with the counting process? grin
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 05:50 PM

To TB and PB, I think you guys are vastly underestimating the accomplishment of Obama's first term. I am not going to list them here or now due to time constraints, however I strongly recommend "The New New Deal," an excellent book spelling out the enormity of change he has brought about.

The problem is few people comrehend what he accomplished, and the problem lies with Obama and his team for failing to get the word out.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
To TB and PB, I think you guys are vastly underestimating the accomplishment of Obama's first term. I am not going to list them here or now due to time constraints, however I strongly recommend "The New New Deal," an excellent book spelling out the enormity of change he has brought about.

The problem is few people comrehend what he accomplished, and the problem lies with Obama and his team for failing to get the word out.


Well said. I couldn't agree more. I mean there were things that I only heard from Clinton at the convention.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 06:08 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
To TB and PB, I think you guys are vastly underestimating the accomplishment of Obama's first term. I am not going to list them here or now due to time constraints, however I strongly recommend "The New New Deal," an excellent book spelling out the enormity of change he has brought about.

The problem is few people comrehend what he accomplished, and the problem lies with Obama and his team for failing to get the word out.


Well said. I couldn't agree more. I mean there were things that I only heard from Clinton at the convention.

I feel the way I feel. I voted for the guy, but if the Republicans had a better candidate I probably would have voted for him instead.

And I've gone out of my way to root Obama on in his second term. If he fails, the country fails. It makes zero sense to root against him (even if you're a Righty).

But let's not turn the guy into FDR. Because he's not.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I feel the way I feel.


Isn't this the whole point? It's not like I'm telling you not to feel this way, it's just that I feel what you feel is unfair and I agree with someone saying otherwise. No, I'm not American, but on many occasions I wish that I was. And I never want the US to fail. If I think Obama was not only the better of these two, but also a very good choice right now I'd have not said so.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
So Hillary is leaving next year. Why so soon? Does she need a rest before 2014? grin

Not sure, but she's probably just tired right now. She deserves the rest. And like I said the other day, I just don't think she's electable. If you're a supporter (and she has many), you'd hate to see her put everything into running only to lose again. It will be costly and draining, both physically and mentally. And she'll be almost 70. I just can't see it.

I wonder who the favorite is to replace her as Secretary?

Kerry makes sense now that the Dems have a larger majority in the Senate than before. But I think Susan Rice has too much Benghazi stink on her. Who the hell knows?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I feel the way I feel.


Isn't this the whole point? It's not like I'm telling you not to feel this way, it's just that I feel what you feel is unfair and I agree with someone saying otherwise. No, I'm not American, but on many occasions I wish that I was. And I never want the US to fail. If I think Obama was not only the better of these two, but also a very good choice right now I'd have not said so.

Did I ever throw that up to your face? confused

It's very clear that you wish you were American. You live in a war-torn, third-world hellhole. Who wouldn't wish they were American if they came from where you come from?

Our political beliefs are actually pretty close, Afs.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Not sure, but she's probably just tired right now. She deserves the rest. And like I said the other day, I just don't think she's electable. If you're a supporter (and she has many), you'd hate to see her put everything into running only to lose again. It will be costly and draining, both physically and mentally. And she'll be almost 70. I just can't see it.


I know, I said so myself, she is not electable. She didn't survive the primary last time. But she is so ambitious to be the first woman president, it seems she doesn't care if she loses. Oh, well. ohwell
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 06:46 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Did I ever throw that up to your face? confused


Not really, you're all great. smile
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Did I ever throw that up to your face? confused


Not really, you're all great. smile

Cool grin.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 07:53 PM

I want s moratorium on 2016! Good lord we just got over an election that began in 2010 when the tea party took over the House and the conventional wisdom was that Obama was a reincarnation of Jimmy Carter. Now I see they are already talking about a Bush (Jeb) Clinton (Hilary) rematch. IMHO its time for both of these retreads to go out to pasture. Jeb's time has passed, and he probably would have made a much better president than his brother, but them's the breaks. As for Hillary, I think she deserves to be very proud of her outstanding record as First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State. She should write some memoirs, make some money and enjoy her life.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 07:59 PM

I don't know how many of you on either side of the political aisle registered to get political mail/updates from numerous sites/organizations, BUT if you did, isn't it refreshing to have empty mailboxes today? Geez, thank God it's over. lol



TIS
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 08:02 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I don't know how many of you on either side of the political aisle registered to get political mail/updates from numerous sites/organizations, BUT if you did, isn't it refreshing to have empty mailboxes today? Geez, thank God it's over. lol



TIS


AMEN. The land line has stopped ringing, the e mails and facebook stuf has ALMOST stopped. I need a break!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

That's true, Ronnie. There isn't much cohesion among the Latino groups as a whole. The "rivalry" between them often borders on hatred (Mexicans vs. Puerto Ricans, Puerto Ricans vs. Dominicans, etc.). I hear it all the time here in New York (where, unlike Tennessee, we actually live among these folks tongue grin ).


Interesting enough, unless my data is wrong, Obama actually won the Cuban vote in Florida. And that I would, by gutcheck, attribute to the further assimilation of successive generations of Cuban-Americans who are now more American and less Cuban, and less attachment in regards to Fidel/Cuba unlike their parents or grandparents.

Originally Posted By: klydon1


The Republicans lost 9 of the 10 Senate races where Rove's Crossroads organizations pumped in the most money. It's apparently not as easy to buy an election as it used to be.


It's sorta hard to win Senate elections when you publicly expouse God's will and sanction of rape. (Which surprisingly turns women off. Who knew?) Seriously I look at Murdoch in Indiana who lost Lugar's old seat held for decades because he's a lunatic and had to let everybody know about it.

You know speaking of which, how about the Kenyan consider Lugar for his new Cabinet? (State or Defense.)

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Now I see they are already talking about a Bush (Jeb) Clinton (Hilary) rematch. IMHO its time for both of these retreads to go out to pasture. Jeb's time has passed, and he probably would have made a much better president than his brother, but them's the breaks. As for Hillary, I think she deserves to be very proud of her outstanding record as First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State. She should write some memoirs, make some money and enjoy her life.


I just think Jeb is still screwed by his last name. Consider that the Kenyan had Bubba running all over the place as the most popular Ex-President, while Dubya stayed home and quiet and I'm certain it's because Willard politely told him to keep enjoying retirement. Both McCain and now Willard were hanged with Dubya's failures.

I was MIA for a few months, but is it true Willard refused to invite Palin to the RNC this year? What was that all about?

My Hillary conspiracy theory is popular so far, and I'll stick with it. Quite frankly she would be a much better candidate than Biden, but we'll see what shakes out. If she's heavy campaigning, making appearances at the mid-terms, that means she'll be running. If the economy continues to improve and Obamacare is finally fully implemented, and no total fiascos* in the Kenyan's 2nd term, I would almost consider her the favorite of all the names all already bandied about.

But 4 years is 40 years.

*=Which unfortunately seem to be a requirement with 2nd terms.

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77

I can suggest more countries, it's not like we've monopoly on gay bashing. They could also go to Saudi Arabia. I'm pretty sure many Arab countries in the ME would hang gays as well and not that woman friendly. tongue


In America, Wisconsin elected Tammy Baldwin to the Senate, the first openly gay Senator, beating former popular ex-Governor/Dubya cabinet member Tommy Thompson. Tells you how much America has changed in short relative time, Wisconsin banned gay marriage 6 years ago.

If we go by stereotypes about liberals, she went home that night and celebrated by getting stoned.

In Iran/Middle East, she would've gotten stoned too. Probably by boulders.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 09:03 PM

If traditionally GOPers nominated runner-ups in the next go around, does that mean....Santorum '16?
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 09:07 PM

Ronnie, I was just trying to comment on "go to the one country in the world that loves your view on women and gays," by saying Iran is not the only screwed up country. Doesn't make it any less screwed up, it just isn't the only one.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 09:12 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
I want s moratorium on 2016!

Amen! lol clap
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 09:26 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Ronnie, I was just trying to comment on "go to the one country in the world that loves your view on women and gays," by saying Iran is not the only screwed up country. Doesn't make it any less screwed up, it just isn't the only one.


I'm aware of that unfortunate reality.

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 09:31 PM

^^^^
Ouch!! lol lol
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 09:31 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

I'm aware of that unfortunate reality.



Terminator? lol
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 09:35 PM

WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney’s campaign conceded on Thursday that it lost Florida, as votes continue to be tallied more than 36 hours after the election was called for President Barack Obama.

"The numbers in Florida show this was winnable," Brett Doster, Romney's senior adviser in Florida, told the Miami Herald in a statement. "We thought based on our polling and range of organization that we had done what we needed to win. Obviously, we didn't, and for that I and every other operative in Florida has a sick feeling that we left something on the table. I can assure you this won't happen again.”

As of Thursday, the president maintained a narrow lead over Romney in the state, with 100 percent of precincts reporting. But the state had yet to count a total of 200,000 absentee and provisional ballots, which was larger than the president's lead of 55,825 votes.

Absentee ballots were still being tallied in nine counties: Broward, Duval, Escambia, Hillsborough, Miami-Dade, Okaloosa, Palm Beach, Pinellas and Putnam.

The Huffington Post reported on the chaos in Miami-Dade County, where voters faced long lines during early voting and a confusing 12-page ballot.

During a conference call on Thursday, Obama campaign manager Jim Messina told reporters he was confident the president would be named the official winner in Florida, pointing to a boost from Latino and youth voters and having won the messaging war on Medicare.

With a win in Florida, Obama finishes the election with 332 electoral votes, just 33 fewer than he won in his victory in 2008. He also won every battleground state except North Carolina.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 09:44 PM

Rove: Obama won "by suppressing the vote".

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/11/rove-obama-succeeded-by-suppressing-the-vote-149046.html

If we were in a crime movie, this is the scene when the loan sharks break his legs. Or worse. Seriously you don't blow $300-400 million and get ZILCH.

Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 09:57 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
If traditionally GOPers nominated runner-ups in the next go around, does that mean....Santorum '16?



Please God no...
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 10:26 PM

The GOP has a lot of issues they're going to have work on in the next 4 years. They have a problem with young people. They have a problem with women. They have a problem with African Americans and Asians. They have a gigantic problem with Latinos which will only get worse in 2016 if they don't change their policies.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 10:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
The GOP has a lot of issues they're going to have work on in the next 4 years. They have a problem with young people. They have a problem with women. They have a problem with African Americans and Asians. They have a gigantic problem with Latinos which will only get worse in 2016 if they don't change their policies.


That I certainly agree with. They have to drop that whole Tea Party sherade if they ever want to retake the white house.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 11:07 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
The GOP has a lot of issues they're going to have work on in the next 4 years. They have a problem with young people. They have a problem with women. They have a problem with African Americans and Asians. They have a gigantic problem with Latinos which will only get worse in 2016 if they don't change their policies.


That I certainly agree with. They have to drop that whole Tea Party sherade if they ever want to retake the white house.

Yeah, if the word Santorum is even mentioned in 2016, they're in trouble. His supporters are living in another century. And not necessarily the 20th century.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 11:39 PM

I bolded that part because.....really?

Adviser: Romney "shellshocked" by loss

Mitt Romney's campaign got its first hint something was wrong on the afternoon of Election Day, when state campaign workers on the ground began reporting huge turnout in areas favorable to President Obama: northeastern Ohio, northern Virginia, central Florida and Miami-Dade.

Then came the early exit polls that also were favorable to the president.

But it wasn't until the polls closed that concern turned into alarm. They expected North Carolina to be called early. It wasn't. They expected Pennsylvania to be up in the air all night; it went early for the President.

After Ohio went for Mr. Obama, it was over, but senior advisers say no one could process it.

"We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/

Well, Nate "the Great" Silver (as Skinny dubbed him) was right on the money.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/08/12 11:42 PM

Ego, Ronnie. Plain and simple. I honestly believe that he believed he'd win.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 12:03 AM

To be honest, Romney very well could have won had he run a better campaign and selected a different running mate. Paul Ryan is no extremist but someone like Portman could have given him the edge in Ohio.

But their were plenty of other things that prevented Romney from winning. Mitt is a moderate in my mind, but the whole image of the Republican party is very villianized at the moment. Combine that with the fact that Obama is much more likeable than Romney to the average person. It's like PB said, the guy is a mope.

The GOP has to realize this country is too diverse to run on the white vote anymore. They need someone with charisma and moderate policies (who can specify them better) to run in 2016, and if Santorum is in that last of candidates they are fucked.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 12:06 AM

Great post, JoeSchmo smile.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 12:15 AM

Oops.

Romney's transition website
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 12:20 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Great post, JoeSchmo smile.


Thanks PB smile And just like everyone else here I want the President to succeed, I want the USA to succeed. But in order for that to happen President Obama must move toward the middle just like the House has to move towards the middle. It can't be super left or super right or we will see a repeat of the previous four years.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 12:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou


I was literally just on the verge of posting that JL.. lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 12:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou

I understand that "Mormons for Bachmann 2016" will be taking over that URL.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 12:41 AM

I don't think Romney lost the election so much as Obama won it. The exit polls show that Obama matched or exceeded his winning margin with the groups he won with in 2008. Unfortunately for the Republicans they got high on their own supply of thinking that 2008 was a fluke. It wasn't. The Republicans didn't think minority voters would come out again. They did. And they didn't think young voters of any group would come out again. They did. Rasmussen and Rove were full of it.

59% of the white vote used to be enough to win the Presidential election. It no longer is. It is going to take some time for Republicans to process that information. It is questionable as to whether they are capable of changing policies or at the very least changing the marketing of those policies. I hope that they do. Either way it will be an entertaining thing to watch. If they don't then they had better get used to losing presidential elections.

But changing demographics aside, the Republicans lost the Rust Belt and Upper Midwest which has not yet seen the sort of population shifts that took place in California, the Southwest and NY. Tons of whites in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, and other areas that have Republican governors turned out to vote for Obama. Part of the reason was the auto bailout and especially the lies that a desperate Romney told about Jeeps and China.

The Republicans have catered to a shrinking base and have allowed themselves to be painted/acted as racist 1%'ers who would drive over their grandmother to pick a nickel off the road. You simply can't go around calling the President a skinny ghetto crackhead or say 47% of people aren't sh** or say rape is no big deal or talk about self-deportation and then be surprised when people who may be in one of those groups you just insulted don't vote for you.

As the post-election bitter ugly comments by Nugent, O'Reilly, Trump, Limbaugh, Fred Barnes and others show there is a certain Republican demographic that won't change and can't change. But they'll be dead soon enough. shhh The next crop of Republicans will hopefully be savvier and smarter.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 12:45 AM

It's evolve or become extinct, Lilo.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 01:00 AM

Plenty of Republicans aren't extreme or idiotic like tea partiers. But they certainly cater to a dying breed. That has to change for them.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 01:07 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Plenty of Republicans aren't extreme or idiotic like tea partiers. But they certainly cater to a dying breed. That has to change for them.


I was a registered Republican from 1984 to 2007. I don't know if they'll ever be moderate enough for me ever again.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 01:09 AM

Hispanics are the sleeping giants of national politics. In this election, 53% of eligible Hispanic voters pulled levers, compared with 50% four years ago. That's still a smaller percentage of eligible white and black voters (mid to upper 60 percent). Lots to be gained there.

Count on a Hispanic--maybe two--on the major parties' tickets in '16.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 01:13 AM

Someone's gotta pull their shit together. Get rid of bums like Michelle Bachmann. But I must say I was very satisfied when Joe Donelley beat Murdock in the Senate race. Good job Indiana! There is hope for you yet.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 01:16 AM

I really think Romney & the entire GOP were shocked that Mitt didn't win. Rove was crunching numbers like crazy, Mitt didn't concede immediately and all the Republican pundits were taken by surprise.

FWIW I heard today on MSNBC that some of the Romney campaign people who left the arena after Mitt lost, couldn't use their campaign credit card for a cab home. lol


TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 01:33 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
FWIW I heard today on MSNBC that some of the Romney campaign people who left the arena after Mitt lost, couldn't use their campaign credit card for a cab home.


Just as well..... they got a free ride for a year for doing nothing.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 02:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Hispanics are the sleeping giants of national politics. In this election, 53% of eligible Hispanic voters pulled levers, compared with 50% four years ago. That's still a smaller percentage of eligible white and black voters (mid to upper 60 percent). Lots to be gained there.

Count on a Hispanic--maybe two--on the major parties' tickets in '16.


Due to the rise in Latino populations, some people predict Arizona will be in play for the Democrats in 2016, and even Texas by 2020.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 03:30 AM

Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 03:40 AM

Every time she sees Joe Biden, my daughter quotes Joe Clark, "They used to call me Crazy Joe! Now you can call me Batman!" lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 03:41 AM

Ha ha ha!! lol What's Biden doing? He IS walking like Igor. That's funny.




TIS
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:52 AM

Look at this: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4...e=1&theater

jeez. lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 02:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Hispanics are the sleeping giants of national politics. In this election, 53% of eligible Hispanic voters pulled levers, compared with 50% four years ago. That's still a smaller percentage of eligible white and black voters (mid to upper 60 percent). Lots to be gained there.

Count on a Hispanic--maybe two--on the major parties' tickets in '16.


Fun Fact: 50,000 young Latino U.S. citizens each month reach voting age.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 02:16 PM

Base: TRAITOR!!!

Hannity: I've 'evolved' on Immigration Reform

Quote:
Sean Hannity said Thursday he has “evolved” on immigration and now supports a “pathway to citizenship.”

Hannity told his radio listeners Thursday afternoon that the United States needs to “get rid of the immigration issue altogether.”

“It’s simple to me to fix it,” Hannity said. “I think you control the border first. You create a pathway for those people that are here — you don’t say you’ve got to go home. And that is a position that I’ve evolved on. Because, you know what, it’s got to be resolved. The majority of people here, if some people have criminal records you can send them home, but if people are here, law-abiding, participating for years, their kids are born here, you know, first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done.”


http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012...xnwXiDo.twitter
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 02:33 PM

Well good for hannity. Don't like him but it's good to see he can grow up a little
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
j


Ha ha ha ha!!!! lol



TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 04:11 PM

That map is scary. Maybe the Electoral College isn't such a bad idea after all grin.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 04:15 PM

Btw, anyone know if FL has been called yet (officially?) and if so, that brings President Obama up to what 330ish EVs? confused




TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 04:16 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
That map is scary. Maybe the Electoral College isn't such a bad idea after all grin.


The electoral college is confusing enough for Americans, I can only imagine how confused the rest of the world is. lol


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 04:17 PM

The Romney people are trying to resuscitate Chad before they concede.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
That map is scary. Maybe the Electoral College isn't such a bad idea after all grin.


Well, if it was up to square foot it was, but then it is based on the population. I mean it's not like Obama didn't get the popular vote as well. He got over 3 million votes more than Romney.

I said I don't like this electoral college system, but it's a good way to have election results fast, for such a huge country like the US, when there's a clear winner and loser. If not, just as popular vote, the electoral college could end up like year 2000.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 04:22 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Btw, anyone know if FL has been called yet (officially?) and if so, that brings President Obama up to what 330ish EVs? confused

TIS


One of our locals posted that the Willard campaign conceded on Florida.

The President will end with 332 EVs. The only state from '08 he lost was North Carolina, and the other EVs he lost via the Census.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 04:24 PM

So, in short it IS an EV landslide for Obama after all making Nate Silver right? Last I saw a what, 3mil. popular vote difference??

smile

TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 04:29 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
That map is scary. Maybe the Electoral College isn't such a bad idea after all grin.


Well, if it was up to square foot it was, but then it is based on the population. I mean it's not like Obama didn't get the popular vote as well. He got over 3 million votes more than Romney.

I said I don't like this electoral college system, but it's a good way to have election results fast, for such a huge country like the US, when there's a clear winner and loser. If not, just as popular vote, the electoral college could end up like year 2000.

Yeah, if this election was based on the popular vote we might not have gotten a concession for weeks.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
So, in short it IS an EV landslide for Obama after all making Nate Silver right? Last I saw a what, 3mil. popular vote difference??

smile

TIS


Since the right-wing were using early EVs up to 330 for Willard and calling it a landslide, then yes it is. smile

Nate Silver was right in all 50 states, doing better than his predix in '08 (when he got Missouri wrong.) I bet he's sticky and smelly now from all that Gatorade dropped on him by euphoric liberals.

Another sign of how things have changed. Romney failed to break 40% in California, the home state of Nixon and Reagan.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:03 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
So, in short it IS an EV landslide for Obama after all making Nate Silver right? Last I saw a what, 3mil. popular vote difference??

smile

TIS


Nate Silver had predicted that Obama would get 313 EVs. Obama did actually better and got 332. Not sure if he used the word landslide, but he did say this election is not that close and Obama clearly wins, which if anyone had paid any attention to the most of polls out there, the result was already clear. But then some want to defy math, or don't trust polls, which maybe is the most legitimate reason by far.

And the media just loves sensational BS, so that could be another reason why there are people who are amazed at this result.

Some think that with this record Obama didn't have a great shot at winning, but then you could always compare the end of Bush era with end of Obama's first term and see that everything is better than 4 years ago and headed in the right direction. Then again, right direction depends on the point of view. wink
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Then again, right direction depends on the point of view. wink

Exactly. Partisans can (and will) spin anything.

On a lighter note, I find it hysterical that the conservatives are already "evolving" on immigration. They're already campaigning for 2016.

Good grief! lol
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Yeah, if this election was based on the popular vote we might not have gotten a concession for weeks.


Yeah, imagine that. And everyone wanted it over the election day and there are people here who would shoot us if we talked about 2016. grin lol

So EC can stay as far as I'm concerned. If I moved to the US, I try to land in a Blue state. grin
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
And everyone wanted it over the election day and there are who would shoot us if we talked about 2016. grin lol

Look at my post about 2016 just above this, Afs.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Then again, right direction depends on the point of view. wink

Exactly. Partisans can (and will) spin anything.

On a lighter note, I find it hysterical that the conservatives are already "evolving" on immigration. They're already campaigning for 2016.

Good grief! lol


LOL I know. Hannity NOW calls for immigration reform and another Rep. (can't think of who) tells R to drop Rush/Trump (ie Tea party). But I have to wonder who will be the leader if they give Rush the boot? lol

TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Yeah, if this election was based on the popular vote we might not have gotten a concession for weeks.


Yeah, imagine that. And everyone wanted it over the election day and there are people here who would shoot us if we talked about 2016. grin lol

So EC can stay as far as I'm concerned. If I moved to the US, I try to land in a Blue state. grin


California is nice this time of year. Then again CA is nice most any time of the year. wink


TIS
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:14 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
California is nice this time of year. Then again CA is nice most any time of the year. wink


TIS


How nice of you TIS. smile There are lots of Persians out there too. But boy, oh, boy, it's expensive to live over there. lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:17 PM

Just a tidbit FWIW, CA IS a blue state. However talking to my two little granddaughters (8 & 10), they tell me that most kids in their classroom went for Romney (per their parents I assume). Imagine that? lol



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

On a lighter note, I find it hysterical that the conservatives are already "evolving" on immigration. They're already campaigning for 2016.

Good grief! lol


I guess this means they'll soon "evolve" on Gay Marriage too?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I guess this means they'll soon "evolve" on Gay Marriage too?

In the pig's pork, they will.

No pun intended grin.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
On a lighter note, I find it hysterical that the conservatives are already "evolving" on immigration. They're already campaigning for 2016.

Good grief! lol


Well, I'm more interested to see who they prop up for their candidacy. Worst of it is just as Maher said, no matter how centrist their candidate is, the whole crazy circus would end up in Washington. All those drama about Terri Schiavo. Do you remember?

And look at this. Of course he is entitled to his opinion. But how can GOP pander to its base and be evolved at the same time?

Quote:
I Wept Last Night
Written By: John - Nov• 07•12
I don’t know how you reacted to the President’s re-election, but I can tell you how I reacted…I wept. American just re-elected a man whose political party made the very things God hates their plank. I wept not so much for myself, but for the four daughters that were sleeping in my house. What does this mean for them? What kind of world will they have when they are my age?

I wept not so much for myself but for the millions of babies that will continue to be aborted year after year. Make no mistake this president will continue to create a culture of death and will most likely appoint at least two people to our Nation’s Supreme Court. Any guesses as to how the people he appoints will feel about Roe verses Wade? Without a move of God abortion is here to stay and there is nothing that we can do about it.

I wept not so much for myself but for the status of marriage in our nation. Recently the president came out in favor of homosexual marriage…is it a coincidence that states are now voting to legalize it? What happens to churches that are against it? What happens to pastors who refuse to perform the ceremony? What happens to church members who are against it? What happens? The day is soon coming that if you speak of homosexuality as a sin you will be labeled a bigot and tried for hate speech.

I wept no so much for myself but for the very people who reelected our president. Have they read Romans 1:18-32? Do they know that the open acceptance of the things God hates is not a sign that judgment is coming; rather, it is a sign that judgment is already here? I think that above all of the other reasons—I wept because I knew judgment is here.

So how do we respond? In my flesh I want to shout SECESSION! When I look at the Electoral College map it just frustrates me to no end. A few states in the extreme corners of our country are making the decisions. The country I know and love would for the most part be the country I know and love without the North East, the West Coast, and the lower section of Florida. But I know secession is not going to fly anymore than it did during the Civil War so how do we respond?

First, we must pray. We are told in the Scriptures to pray for our leaders. God used Nebuchadnezzar just as much as He used David. Do not forget that! God is still in heaven and He is in control and that is true regardless of who is in the White House. We must pray for our president to have wisdom. We must pray for our congress to have wisdom. We must pray that God will confuse the counsel of the enemy and that His Word would be sought. We must pray.

Second, we must submit. Romans 13:1-2 specifically tells us to submit to the governing authorities and it specifically states that “For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.” When you resist the authority Paul says you resist God. So we must submit.

Third, we must share the Gospel. Those four corners of the country that my flesh wants to cut off the map happen to be the corners that need the Gospel. Politics will not change our nation…the Gospel will change our nation. Please hear me…you will not change this world by giving to political parties…you will change this world by living the Gospel, sharing the Gospel, and supporting those who share it. We must continue to support our army of missionaries here and across the world. We must share the Gospel.

Finally, we must (and you may laugh at this one) continue to have children and rear them in the things of God. I can think of no better missionary force than for the people of God to have God-fearing children. Kim and I have four beautiful daughters who love Jesus. The world they face is an uncertain world, but I will do all I can to teach them to follow Him. We must see the value of life not only as a thing to be supported, but also as a thing to be created. Go have babies and bring them up in the Lord and let’s teach them the very things of God!

http://johnthweatt.com/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:26 PM

Another interesting tidbit from exit polls.

Quote:
2) A glance at the exit polls showed that Obama won the foreign policy question pretty handily. Only five percent of respondents thought that foreign policy was the most critical issue in this campaign -- but of those five percent, voters went for Obama over Romney by 56% to 33%. Voters were also more likely to trust Barack Obama in an international crisis (57%-42%) than Mitt Romney (50%-46%).

This is the first exit poll in at least three decades where the Democrat has outperformed the Republican on foreign policy and national security. And I guarantee that whoever runs from the GOP side in 2016 will not have a ton of foreign policy experience. The GOP has managed to squander an advantage in perceived foreign policy competency that it had owned for decades. This -- combined with shifts on social issues and demographics -- will be a problem that the Republicans are going to need to address.


http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/07/quick_hits_on_the_2012_us_election
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:26 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Just a tidbit FWIW, CA IS a blue state. However talking to my two little granddaughters (8 & 10), they tell me that most kids in their classroom went for Romney (per their parents I assume). Imagine that? lol



TIS


I imagine there are places like Orange County that would go for GOP, considering they don't like to pay more taxes. wink
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:28 PM

"Man, sometimes God really sucks"-----Glenn Beck

Way to pander to your Evangelical base, Glenn.

Douchebag rolleyes.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:29 PM

Lyndsey graham, a senator for South Carolina said he would kick anyone's ass who said the republicans needed to go MORE conservative lol I think that most of the conservative side is adhering a wake up call but it won't happen over night.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:40 PM

I think they should nominate Lloyd in 2016. At around 1:22 of the clip you can see the campaign go up in flames.

Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I think they should nominate Lloyd in 2016. At around 1:22 of the clip you can see the campaign go up in flames.


lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 05:56 PM

^^^^^
Lloyd is as good as anyone they have right now.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

In the pig's pork, they will.

No pun intended grin.


I remember a recent PEW poll which claimed nearly 40% of College Republicans were in favor of SSM, and in fact this election cycle a good many chapters (as NYT reported) purposely avoided talking about social issues when trying to recruit their age groups. (The Arizona Young GOP Chairwoman is in fact pro-SSM and pro-choice.)

The funny thing is, the GOP can mute this electoral issue by doing one simple thing: Get the House/Senate GOPers to repeal DOMA.

That btw was the bill (signed into law by Bubba) where in clear violation of Constitutional federalism, states didn't have to recognize the marriage licenses (i.e. gay marriage licenses) issued from other states. Which meant say a New York license wouldn't be recognized in Tennessee.

Well if DOMA was repealed, that wouldn't be the case anymore and wouldn't that make Gay Marriage more or less a mute issue? Sure fights will continue in states whether to personally themselves approve of it or not, but I wonder if that would take alot of ammo out of it?

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Lyndsey graham, a senator for South Carolina said he would kick anyone's ass who said the republicans needed to go MORE conservative lol I think that most of the conservative side is adhering a wake up call but it won't happen over night.


And he's absolutely right. It's a constant cop-out whine.

Really I said this earlier this year, but maybe it should be the case in '16: Sacrifice one national election cycle and let the base run their Tea Party, border fence, Evangelical freak. Their McGovern, if you will.

That base needs to be whipped hard into submission, as it took just about forever for the Dems with their liberal base.

Who knows, maybe (in fact they will) will make a comeback someday since ideological swings have a lifecycle of a few decades.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:03 PM

Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:03 PM

Who is John Weatt?? And why should I give two teeny turds if he was weeping? If he's so concerned about abortion, what does he do to help babies that are born? Does he volunteer in homeless shelters? Does he help feed the poor? Does he help place babies whose parents are unable to care for them? Is he a foster dad? I love people who want to force women to have babies, but don't do anything to help them.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:04 PM

I'll tell you, Ronnie. And this is the absolute truth. I worked in funeral service in NYC for 25 years. There are a number of gay men in that field for whatever the reason. And more than a few of them are conservative by nature. To think that they're all flaming liberals is to unfairly stereotype them. The GOP is nuts for not going after their vote by making nice.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Who is John Weatt?? And why should I give two teeny turds if he was weeping? If he's so concerned about abortion, what does he do to help babies that are born? Does he volunteer in homeless shelters? Does he help feed the poor? Does he help place babies whose parents are unable to care for them? Is he a foster dad? I love people who want to force women to have babies, but don't do anything to help them.


A friend of mine posted this on facebook. It was just an example of how much evolving a great chunk of republican party needs to go through to appeal to the center. I'm not sure who made them to abort their babies or gay marry or perform such ceremonies, or if he likes gay men to marry her daughters and have a fake relationship. It's mind blowing really. ohwell
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:16 PM

It's disgusting. I don't understand why some people feel it's their purpose in life to judge and try to change the lifestyle of others? They are such good Christians, what about the words of Christ Himself? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?"
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'll tell you, Ronnie. And this is the absolute truth. I worked in funeral service in NYC for 25 years. There are a number of gay men in that field for whatever the reason. And more than a few of them are conservative by nature. To think that they're all flaming liberals is to unfairly stereotype them. The GOP is nuts for not going after their vote by making nice.


Oh I would absolutely agree. But it's somewhat the same thing with Hispanics: You may agree with the GOP on fiscal policies and taxes and on foreign policy, but if said party spits on your face as an enemy because of who you are, well how can you still vote for them?

Some (Hispanics and Gays) still do anyway, but regardless they're pissing away votes that could be theirs if indeed they played nice and actually tried to engage them. Not demonize them.

I've told this story before but I'll repeat it: After Brown v. Board of Education in 1955, the Democratic Party in '56 (an election year) were split on ideological and regional grounds and more or less ignored it in their DNC platform that year.

Vice-President Nixon after that decision saw what he perceived as a magical opening for the Republicans to split the Democrats by having the GOP wholly endorse the Brown decision. And there was logic to this approach, since the GOP were nearly still nonexistent in the South, what votes are they losing down there anyway? It would also potentially swing the black vote back to the Republicans as they had from Lincoln up to 1932. (In fact Ike twice had the black vote in the 40%s, Dr. King even endorsed him in '56.)

But his party told him he was smoking some good shit. One Senator quipped "Dick, you mean I'll get three more Negro votes? Oh joy!"

And thus that opening wasn't exploited. I always wonder what if they had followed Nixon's scheme?
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:24 PM

Ugh that's why I left the church I went to. Complete judgemental hypocrites. I was raised catholic and I saw this all the time.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:26 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'll tell you, Ronnie. And this is the absolute truth. I worked in funeral service in NYC for 25 years. There are a number of gay men in that field for whatever the reason. And more than a few of them are conservative by nature. To think that they're all flaming liberals is to unfairly stereotype them. The GOP is nuts for not going after their vote by making nice.


Oh I would absolutely agree. But it's somewhat the same thing with Hispanics

Agree 100%.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:27 PM

But Protestant evangelicals I will say are more annoying
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:55 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
But Protestant evangelicals I will say are more annoying


Ditto.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:56 PM

Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Who is John Weatt?? And why should I give two teeny turds if he was weeping? If he's so concerned about abortion, what does he do to help babies that are born? Does he volunteer in homeless shelters? Does he help feed the poor? Does he help place babies whose parents are unable to care for them? Is he a foster dad? I love people who want to force women to have babies, but don't do anything to help them.


SB very well spoken I wish someone would of said that to Romney and Co. during the campaign.

I don't know if anyone watches that "current" tv station there have some funny commentators on there. I forget which show it was but they were saying the republicans losing all that money of there's was pulling a big scam on themselves.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 07:00 PM

Lol PB you made my day lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 07:03 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Lol PB you made my day lol

And that moron just got re-elected in Minnesota. What the fuck is wrong with people? rolleyes mad
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 07:21 PM

I was listening to Mike Gallagher this morning. He stated that the reason that so many Hispanics voted for the President is that they rely on big government.

These people never learn.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
"Man, sometimes God really sucks"-----Glenn Beck



Did he expect God to vote, or perhaps endorse a candidate.

Blame God, blame Sandy, blame the "liberal media." Blame everyone, but yourself. And they say Democrats don't promote personal responsibility.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 07:38 PM

Rove, Dick Morris and the heads at Fox News have all commented in detail about why Romney lost. But should we give any credence to their opinions when they're the ones , who were picking a big Romney victory on Tuesday?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 07:46 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Rove, Dick Morris and the heads at Fox News have all commented in detail about why Romney lost. But should we give any credence to their opinions when they're the ones , who were picking a big Romney victory on Tuesday?


Of course, not. Even Megyn Kelly was fed up with the excuses. Wow! Just think if she opted for MSNBC.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 07:50 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Rove, Dick Morris and the heads at Fox News have all commented in detail about why Romney lost. But should we give any credence to their opinions when they're the ones , who were picking a big Romney victory on Tuesday?


Andrew Sullivan on his blog renamed one of his awards the "Dick Morris Award," which he now gives for "stunningly wrong political, social and cultural predictions."

Speaking of Sullivan, back in 1989 the conservative gay activist actually penned a magazine article in favor of gay marriage, back when both the Democratic Party and especially even the Gay community didn't publicly back it. In wake of this week's gay triumphs at the ballot box, Slate reprinted that essay.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...y_making_a.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 07:53 PM

BTW I'm finally watching Karl Rove's "metldown" tuesday night, outright arguing with his network's own data team, as if he's the only one who can crunch the numbers.

This moment (which will haunt Karl forever perhaps) reminds me of the climax of that Eddie Murphy movie TRADING PLACES, when the Duke Brothers realized too late Murphy and Dan Ankroyd duped them. I believe it was Don Ameche who screamed "Turn the machines back on! TURN THE MACHINES BACK ON!!!!"

Looking good, Barry!
Looking good, Joe!
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 07:54 PM

Just a thought, did any of you guys here about that kid who went up to Michele Bachmann and said to her "My mommy is gay and she doesn't need to be fixed"

The look on her face was priceless. It's a viral youtube video my latptop is being stupid so I couldn't post it.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 08:00 PM

Right now, Fox News is trying desperately to turn the Iran /drone incident into a scandal.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 08:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Right now, Fox News is trying desperately to turn the Iran /drone incident into a scandal.


After that government threatened to close up the Straight of Hormuz as easily as "drinking a glass of water" and we sorta mocked that, I can't exactly take those petty acts of aggression seriously. No more than you would a kid threatening to run away to join the circus.

(Seriously they tried but failed to shoot down a drone. Wow. Even if one buys the argument they intentionally missed...well, that doesn't exactly help their case.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/09/12 09:09 PM

After the gender gap, specifically with single women voting against them this week, have they actually learned?

Ohio Revives Extreme Anti-Abortion Bill

Quote:
If passed, Ohio’s bill would be the most restrictive abortion ban in the nation — far surpassing a bill in Arizona that currently earns that unfortunate distinction by banning abortions after 20 weeks. HB 125 would criminalize all abortions after the fetal heartbeat is detected without even the narrowest exceptions in cases of rape, incest, or the mental health of the woman.


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/11/09/1170671/ohio-revives-heartbeat-bill/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 01:49 AM

Texas Republican Wants State To Leave U.S. Over Obama Win

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/peter_morrison_texas_leave_us_obama.php?ref=fpb
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 02:38 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


This gave me a good laugh. I especially was amused by his line, "many members of minority groups are racist against the party that most white people vote for." The dumb bastard revealed a little more about himself than he had intended.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 02:39 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


What's next chuck norris as texas president?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 03:10 AM

Funny enough, somebody in this thread predicted this would happen.

Election results drive gun sales following Barack Obama's re-election

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/world/popul...mas-re-election
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 03:30 AM

Well good news people who are resting from Election '12, PPP already are polling for '16 in New Hampshire!

GOP

Christie 21%
Rubio 14%
Condoleeza Rice 13%
Jeb Bush 11%
Ryan 10%

Dems

Hillary Clinton 60%
Biden 10%
Cuomo 7%
Elizabeth Warren 4%
Deval Patrick 3%

PPP asked what if Hillary didn't run, who would they support instead?

Biden 26%
Cuomo 15%
Warren 11%
Patrick 9%

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/clinton-christie-2016-new-hampshire.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 03:46 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Just a thought, did any of you guys here about that kid who went up to Michele Bachmann and said to her "My mommy is gay and she doesn't need to be fixed"

The look on her face was priceless. It's a viral youtube video my latptop is being stupid so I couldn't post it.


i have seen that video, michelle is a freaking psycho
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 05:04 AM

The mere fact that she and her husband run a "clinic" to "fix" gays is disgusting beyong belief. She ia a disgrace to the United States Congress and to America in general
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 12:00 PM

Win or lose the election is over. Some people need to let things go and move on.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Win or lose the election is over. Some people need to let things go and move on.

Ain't gonna happen, Lilo. Some people are just fucking crazy.

I'm not much for taking cell phone pics, but I was up in Bronxville this morning to go to my Dad's place in neighboring Eastchester. Now Bronxville is an old money town in Southeastern Westchester County. At one time it contained the third or fourth wealthiest zip code in the nation. The Kennedys lived there for awhile and Teddy actually married that crazy broad at Saint Joseph's Church. Don Tomasso and Sicilian Babe are quite familiar with the town, as am I. Anyway, I had to do a double take, pull the car over, and have my son jump out to take this picture with his cell phone because I didn't think anyone would fucking believe it.

Don T and SB: You may recognize that building as the Bronxville Post Office on Pondfield Road. Now are these people sore losers, or what?

Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 03:22 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'm not much for taking cell phone pics, but I was up in Bronxville this morning to go to my Dad's place in neighboring Eastchester. Now Bronxville is an old money town in Southeastern Westchester County. At one time it contained the third or fourth wealthiest zip code in the nation. The Kennedys lived there for awhile and Teddy actually married that crazy broad at Saint Joseph's Church. Don Tomasso and Siclian Babe are quite familiar with the town, as am I. Anyway, I had to do a double take, pull the car over, and have my son jump out to take this picture with his cell phone because I didn't think anyone would fucking believe it.

Don T and SB: You may recognize that building as the Bronxville Post Office on Pondfield Road. Now are these people sore losers, or what?



Good grief! What's that second sign on its side saying?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 03:26 PM

^^^^
I dunno, Afs. My son jumped out of the car real fast and snapped the other picture, and I wasn't about to engage these assholes in conversation. It was early and they were just setting up rolleyes.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 03:36 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
^^^^
I dunno, Afs. My son jumped out of the car real fast and snapped the other picture, and I wasn't about to engage these assholes in conversation. It was early and they were just setting up rolleyes.


Good thinking.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 03:40 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

but I was up in Bronxville this morning to go to my Dad's place in neighboring Eastchester.



How many times have you been told that you are not to leave Throggs Neck. Don't let it happen again!
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 03:43 PM

Here's their website.

http://larouchepac.com/
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Here's their website.

http://larouchepac.com/


Interesting site. Given that some members of Congress are requesting information to find out what happened in Libya, how can Larouche et al come to any conclusions?
Posted By: Mark

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 03:54 PM

Fox News election night coverage says it all...

Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 04:02 PM

Pat Cadell (2nd from left) is like Dick Morris: a disgruntled former Democrat who finds some degree of solace by attacking the President at every opportunity.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 04:16 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Interesting site. Given that some members of Congress are requesting information to find out what happened in Libya, how can Larouche et al come to any conclusions?


Don't tell me you are looking for actual reasons from batshit crazy people. tongue
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 05:58 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: olivant
Interesting site. Given that some members of Congress are requesting information to find out what happened in Libya, how can Larouche et al come to any conclusions?


Don't tell me you are looking for actual reasons from batshit crazy people. tongue

I gotta say, Afs. I'd be willing to bet big money that you're the only Iranian person in, well, Iran, who has ever uttered the words batshit crazy. This website is making you just silly with American vernacular grin.

"Take me to the America, G.I.! Clark Gable!" lol lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 06:04 PM

NBC just named President Obama as projected winner in FL bringing his total EV to 332. smile



TIS
Posted By: Mark

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 06:11 PM

Fox News reacts once again...



Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 06:24 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I gotta say, Afs. I'd be willing to bet big money that you're the only Iranian person in, well, Iran, who has ever uttered the words batshit crazy. This website is making you just silly with American vernacular grin.

"Take me to the America, G.I.! Clark Gable!" lol lol


lol lol

Well, don't underestimate the Iranian youth, one of our entertainments is American/British series/movies and that's where we pick up these words. wink Nowadays we know more than just "Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Thursday, Sunday, Saturday." lol
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 08:07 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Lol PB you made my day lol

And that moron just got re-elected in Minnesota. What the fuck is wrong with people? rolleyes mad


Same people who voted for a wrestler, a comedian, and once again a whackjob
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 09:02 PM

Just re-read a really terrific read (and solid stocking stuffer for the history buff in your family) in CITIZEN-IN-CHIEF.

http://www.amazon.com/Citizen---Chief-Se...itizen+in+chief

Anyway as a book about Ex-Presidents it runs up to '08, when it documented the Dubya White House in its 2nd term involving the Dubya Presidential Library, which ultimately SMU down in Texas won the bid to be home to his presidential papers and museums and all that. (The book dismissed Presidential libraries in recent decades as "monuments to ego." lol) The book also documented Clinton's own questionable fundraising which may or may not involved kickbacks in his 2nd term. The number that shocked me was the Saudi Arabian government donating $10 million to his library as a "gift" to Clinton. Anyway a terrific read.

I would guess the Obama Library would go to Illinois, right? Hawaii have been actively campaigning for it too. Not that it matters ultimately.

Reading this article, does however remind me of Duke and Stanford more or less refusing to house Nixon's presidential papers because of faculty opposition which in retrospect in both cases was a very foolish decision.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/education/1...brary-idea.html
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/10/12 11:23 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Pat Cadell (2nd from left) is like Dick Morris: a disgruntled former Democrat who finds some degree of solace by attacking the President at every opportunity.


Pat Cadell, Pat Buchanan and I have something in common: We all learned high school Latin from the same Jesuit teacher, Father Frank Bourbon, S.J. Buchanan and Cadell both said that Bourbon was the greatest teacher they ever had, and I concur. Buchanan wrote about him in one of his books.

Anyway, I mention this because Fr. Bourbon, scholar and raconteur without peer, would have been 86 today.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 12:31 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: olivant
Pat Cadell (2nd from left) is like Dick Morris: a disgruntled former Democrat who finds some degree of solace by attacking the President at every opportunity.


Pat Cadell, Pat Buchanan and I have something in common: We all learned high school Latin from the same Jesuit teacher, Father Frank Bourbon, S.J. Buchanan and Cadell both said that Bourbon was the greatest teacher they ever had, and I concur. Buchanan wrote about him in one of his books.

Anyway, I mention this because Fr. Bourbon, scholar and raconteur without peer, would have been 86 today.


Besides agricola, the only Latin I remember was from my alter boy responses (et cum siritu tuo). I was taught by Christian Brothers (Darth Vader was based on Brother Leonard, a former Marine Drill Instructor) and one of our illustrious alums was none other than Dan Marino.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 02:53 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant


Besides agricola, the only Latin I remember was from my alter boy responses (et cum siritu tuo). I was taught by Christian Brothers (Darth Vader was based on Brother Leonard, a former Marine Drill Instructor) and one of our illustrious alums was none other than Dan Marino.


Latin was probably the most useful class I took in high school.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 04:23 AM

PB, my daughter saw that sign near our local post office.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 06:55 AM


Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 08:32 AM

SC, that's hilarious! lol

Finally something from a conservative pundit that sounds more levelheaded and realistic.

The Party of Work
By DAVID BROOKS

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/opinion/brooks-the-party-of-work.html?src=me&ref=general
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 11:04 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Win or lose the election is over. Some people need to let things go and move on.

Ain't gonna happen, Lilo. Some people are just fucking crazy.



Did you ever see the movie Shaolin Soccer? There's a scene in there where one of the heroes kicks the ball so hard that it goes to supersonic speed and morphs into a snarling globe of tiger fire. Nothing can stand before it!!

And then the other goalie calmly catches the ball like it's no big deal. lol
That's what just happened to the Republican Party. They brought everything they had and got handled. They need to try something different. Zooming off into conspiracy theories and racism, while likely temporarily soothing, won't help in the long term. Once they get this stuff out of their system (6 months, a year?) they might come back and build a winning team. But if they can't b/c as you say they are crazy we might be seeing the twilight of the party, nationally anyway.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 03:56 PM

For what it's worth, I found people on a right-wing blog speculating about Rubio/Jindal/Martinez (any ticket combination with those 3 names) for '16, and well that would be something if they did nominate such a ticket. Won't happen, but it's a nice thought.

The problem with Governor Jindal is that if he does run, especially in the southern primaries, you just know one of his opponents will help feed a "is he a terrorist?/was he born in this country?" conspiracy meme against him. God knows they thought so with a black American with a funny foreign name, what will they do when they see Jindal's mug?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 05:23 PM

You can bet the GOP will be building up the likes of Rubio/Jindal/Martinez. They have to do something to show they don't hate non-whites.

Speaking of Latinos, I can't think of his name but does anyone remember the Latino speaker at the Dem Convention? confused I don't remember if he was a mayor/governor or what BUT he was awesome. Reminded me much of when the President first spoke (as Senator Obama)years ago at the Dem. convention. I look for him to go places too.

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
You can bet the GOP will be building up the likes of Rubio/Jindal/Martinez. They have to do something to show they don't hate non-whites.

Speaking of Latinos, I can't think of his name but does anyone remember the Latino speaker at the Dem Convention? confused I don't remember if he was a mayor/governor or what BUT he was awesome. Reminded me much of when the President first spoke (as Senator Obama)years ago at the Dem. convention. I look for him to go places too.

TIS


Julian Castro, Mayor of San Antonio.

As Peggy Noonan pointed out, although most people polled thought Romney could handle the economy better, they thought Obama cared more about them. That's the difference and talk radio is already doing nothing to help Republicans change that thought.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 06:29 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
You can bet the GOP will be building up the likes of Rubio/Jindal/Martinez. They have to do something to show they don't hate non-whites.

Speaking of Latinos, I can't think of his name but does anyone remember the Latino speaker at the Dem Convention? confused I don't remember if he was a mayor/governor or what BUT he was awesome. Reminded me much of when the President first spoke (as Senator Obama)years ago at the Dem. convention. I look for him to go places too.

TIS


The Dems, surprisingly, don't have what I guess one could call the minority bench ready for a national run in '16, unlike potentially the GOP.

I mean the top 3 named mentioned for the Dems in '16 (Hillary, Biden, Cuomo) are about as sour cream as you can get.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 06:33 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I mean the top 3 named mentioned for the Dems in '16 (Hillary, Biden, Cuomo) are about as sour cream as you can get.

Absolutely, Ronnie. It's a given that Hillary and Biden are lily-white, but we Italian Americans are often seen as being more ethnic than that. But Cuomo is one of the most whitebread Italian Americans I've ever encountered.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 06:56 PM

I must admit as an outsider, I know little to nothing about Cuomo except of course for his father and that he's very ambitious for a national run, more or less been padding his Gubernatorial record in preparation for it. Also (allegedly from what I understand) he got divorced because of infidelity. In that case, his wife cheating behind his back.

Oh God imagine Hillary/Cuomo primaries. That angle alone would be good fun in itself.

Am I missing anything else?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 06:58 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Also (allegedly from what I understand) he got divorced because of infidelity. In that case, his wife cheating behind his back.

Good for nothing Kennedys. Even the women can't keep it in their pants.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Am I missing anything else?


How about Julian Castro?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:14 PM

I think the most interesting thing will be if Hillary and Biden both decide to run. The primaries could be the most awkward ever.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:19 PM

Afs, I mentioned Julian Castro in a post above. I thought he was great (the little I know about him). smile

JL,

For some reason I don't see Biden as running but Clinton, tho she said not, I expect to run.



TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


JL,

For some reason I don't see Biden as running but Clinton, tho she said not, I expect to run.


I don't know. Biden has pretty much straight out said he wants to run, and Clinton has said she isn't running. I'm not sure what Joe will do, but I'll be shocked if Hillary doesn't run.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:24 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Afs, I mentioned Julian Castro in a post above. I thought he was great (the little I know about him). smile


Yeah, he was awesome. Of course GOP has Rubio, but for some reason they decided not to show his speech on TV, but show Clint Eastwood and the chair. lol
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I'll be shocked if Hillary doesn't run.


Me too. I think she is going to get in touch with her feminine side and make some cookies just to make that comment about staying at home, making cookies go away, but she will run.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:28 PM

Biden-Hillary would make for an awkward old white person primary; I'll tell you that much whistle.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:30 PM

I wonder if Skinny_Vinny did himself harm?

He hasn't posted since the day before the election.

I wonder why? whistle
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:33 PM

He kept insisting PA was in play.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:36 PM

I'm thinking 2016 Both parities (especially GOP) will HAVE to have a woman (or minority) somewhere on the ticket. That IS the time we are in IMHO. smile

I heard Condoleeza Rice's name floating around but I think anyone from or related to the Bush administration needs to stay the hell away. IMHO it's political suicide (and that includes Jeb Bush even tho he's not a dumb as his brother).



TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:36 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I wonder if Skinny_Vinny did himself harm?

He hasn't posted since the day before the election.

I wonder why? whistle


He'll be back in 2016.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:38 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I wonder if Skinny_Vinny did himself harm?

He hasn't posted since the day before the election.

I wonder why? whistle


Well I hope he didn't do anything drastic. Had the election gone the other way I'd be in depressed mode. wink


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I wonder if Skinny_Vinny did himself harm?

He hasn't posted since the day before the election.

I wonder why? whistle


He and Carl Rove are busy downing all the scotch they can get their hands on.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:40 PM

Speaking of Karl Rove, do you think his "time" is done with this election? He's gotta be hitting the bottle. lol



TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:43 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I'm thinking 2016 Both parities (especially GOP) will HAVE to have a woman (or minority) somewhere on the ticket. That IS the time we are in IMHO. smile

I think the Dems can win without a minority, but not the Republicans. The problem for the Republicans is that to get the nomination they seem to run all the way right (where there aren't many minorites). They can only win the general election with a minority, but they can't get the nomination without a couple of white guys (or in Palin's case a gal). It's a catch-22 for them.

My wife (who is independent, liberal, very strong, and runs two very successful businesses of her own) laments to me that we're no closer to a female President than we were four years ago. She says that Hillary is the best of the best and she's unelectable.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:48 PM

As much as I think Hillary has been a great Secretary of State, and would make a good President AND has a huge following, I think there are also many (AND I'm guessing mostly men) that hate her. I remember all the name calling even here on the BB in the past (ie Bitch and the like). Unless her time now as SOS has changed people's opinions. Anyway, I think that is the downside for her. ohwell


TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 07:57 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
As much as I think Hillary has been a great Secretary of State, and would make a good President AND has a huge following, I think there are also many (AND I'm guessing mostly men) that hate her. I remember all the name calling even here on the BB in the past (ie Bitch and the like). Unless her time now as SOS has changed people's opinions. Anyway, I think that is the downside for her. ohwell


TIS


While I agree there is a percentage of men that hate her, I doubt it's as great as the percentage of men that Obama. Plus, she'll get an even greater percentage of women than Obama did. Unless Obama has a Bush-like 2nd term, I can't see her losing an election no matter who the GOP throws at her.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 08:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Plus, she'll get an even greater percentage of women than Obama did.


I'm not so sure of this. Women don't stand up for women. We kind of shoot each other down. In case of Hillary, some hate her for wearing pants and some hate her for not leaving Bill and some hate her, because they can't be her. tongue
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
As much as I think Hillary has been a great Secretary of State, and would make a good President AND has a huge following, I think there are also many (AND I'm guessing mostly men) that hate her. I remember all the name calling even here on the BB in the past (ie Bitch and the like). Unless her time now as SOS has changed people's opinions. Anyway, I think that is the downside for her. ohwell


TIS


While I agree there is a percentage of men that hate her, I doubt it's as great as the percentage of men that Obama. Plus, she'll get an even greater percentage of women than Obama did. Unless Obama has a Bush-like 2nd term, I can't see her losing an election no matter who the GOP throws at her.


I hope you're right. Btw, can you imagine how happy Bill would be to be back in the White House? lol The First Man??? How weird is that? lol


TIS
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 08:08 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


I hope you're right. Btw, can you imagine how happy Bill would be to be back in the White House? lol The First Man??? How weird is that? lol


TIS


Believe me. There was a reason Bill tried so hard to get Obama re-elected, and it wasn't because Obama is his new BFF. wink
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I can't see her losing an election no matter who the GOP throws at her.

I think you're nuts, Lou. But the Giants are getting killed, so maybe I'm just in a bad mood lol.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 08:12 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I can't see her losing an election no matter who the GOP throws at her.

I think you're nuts, Lou. But the Giants are getting killed, so maybe I'm just in a bad mood lol.


lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 08:37 PM

Somebody from my old college days agreed with my Hillary conspiracy theory (well not 'conspiracy' anymore since it's now mainstream), adding that two of her main problems from '08 won't hurt her anymore. Her Iraqi war vote will be irrelevant, since that war will be forgotten (or moved on, the more accurate term) and she was back then seen by many as the "establishment candidate" and Obama pummeled her with that.

Now that the Dems are the national establishment in the executive branch (and maybe still Senate too by '16), that's not the problem. Not to mention her SOS tenure has possibly made her appear more Presidential, more so than Biden who's the incumbent VP.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 08:40 PM

Time will tell. But Jeez, enough with 2016 already. Can we at least wait until after the Inauguration for this election? lol
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 08:42 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Time will tell. But Jeez, enough with 2016 already. Can we at least wait until after the Inauguration for this election?


lol

Maybe we should start a new thread for 2016 election. rolleyes
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 08:48 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Maybe we should start a new thread for 2016 election. rolleyes

Please, God, noooooooo!!!!!!!!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 08:52 PM

Ummmmmmmm...:)
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 09:02 PM

I shouldn't do it, but I will. tongue
Current odds to get the nomination:
Code:
2016 Democratic Presidential Nominee:
         	Hillary Clinton 	 3/1
		Joe Biden 	         8/1
		Andrew Cuomo 	        12/1
		Martin O'Malley 	12/1
		Elizabeth Warren 	20/1
		Kirsten Gillibrand 	20/1  
 	        Deval Patrick 	        25/1
		John Hickenlooper 	25/1
		Mark Warner 	        25/1
		Tim Kaine        	25/1
		Brian Schweitzer 	25/1 

2016 Republican Presidential Nominee:
	        Paul Ryan 	5/1
		Marco Rubio 	6/1
		Jeb Bush 	8/1
		Chris Christie 	8/1
		Bobby Jindal 	12/1
		Condi Rice 	12/1
		Scott Walker 	16/1
		Rand Paul 	25/1
		Rick Santorum 	25/1
		Eric Cantor 	25/1
		Bob McDonnell 	25/1
		Sarah Palin 	33/1
		Mike Huckabee 	33/1
		Nikki Haley 	33/1
		Jon Huntsman 	33/1 

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 09:10 PM

I'm not crazy about Kirsten Gillibrand. I felt like Schumer helped her bully her way into the Senate. But ask me again in four years smile.
Posted By: Don Zadjali

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 09:16 PM

One of those crazy youtube videos...

Published on 5 Nov 2012

"A REPUBLICAN TEA PARTY MEMBER CAPTURES THIS SHOCKING BIGFOOT ENCOUNTER ON VIDEO"
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 09:17 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Time will tell. But Jeez, enough with 2016 already. Can we at least wait until after the Inauguration for this election? lol


panic panic panic
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 09:23 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'm not crazy about Kirsten Gillibrand. I felt like Schumer helped her bully her way into the Senate. But ask me again in four years smile.



..And not after the Giants get crushed.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 09:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'm not crazy about Kirsten Gillibrand. I felt like Schumer helped her bully her way into the Senate. But ask me again in four years smile.



..And not after the Giants get crushed.

mad mad

Maybe the Jets will lose again. Salvage the day lol.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 09:27 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'm not crazy about Kirsten Gillibrand. I felt like Schumer helped her bully her way into the Senate. But ask me again in four years smile.



..And not after the Giants get crushed.

mad mad

Maybe the Jets will lose again. Salvage the day lol.


On the bright side, at least either the Cowboys or Eagles should be done after today.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 09:28 PM

Yeah, and we'll still have a full one game lead over the winner.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 09:47 PM

God the local wingnuts in East Tennessee are blaming Romney for not bringing out the Evangelical vote whether because he didn't focus enough on social issues, or that his Mormonism turned them off.

Well total nonsense. A whopping 78% of them went for Willard, and apparently the numbers are good as ever in terms of turnout for those loons. It's just...they're not just enough anymore.

Does this mean those idiots have less chokehold on GOP political discourse? Doubtful.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 09:53 PM

Ryan, Rubio, Jeb, and Christie. They are much more viable than the last batch of GOP candidates we got. But all in all I'm glad this is over
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 10:05 PM

I read that George P Bush (Jeb's son) just filed paperwork to run for office in Texas. He's half hispanic (His mother is Mexican) so he might be a guy to keep an eye on in the future.

His grandfather George H.W. Bush used to say he was one of "the little brown ones". lol
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 10:40 PM

There is one person-and one person only-whom conservative evangelicals should try to recruit if they want one of their own to win the presidency. However, this person won't be presidential timber in '16 or '20 for that matter. In fact this person wouldn't be poised for probably 16 years at least.

This person's popularity isn't hurt by the fact that the country is growing less religious, and while fools like Akin and Mourdoch paid a price for butchering a pro-life message in pro-life states with insensitive and ignorant remarks, this person has already delivered a pro-life message that was widely received as uplifting and inspiring.

This is a person, who has shown popularity that transcends race, gender, age and economic class more successfully than moderate Republicans. The person's present popularity isn't really determined or defined by party affiliation.

This person has received praise from Limbaugh and Chris Matthews, as well as President Obama. Sure there are some haters, but most would agree that the person's beliefs are more genuine and sincere than just about anyone, who's run.

Finally, this person would be a shoe-in to carry the swing state of Florida along with a couple of others. Efforts to smear this person's - shall we say, political inexperience - could have the effect of backfiring badly.

The person is well liked, bright, articulate, good looking with a contagious smile and sense of humor.

Can you guess by now who this is?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 11:40 PM

Jesus.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 11:45 PM

I hope he doesn't mean Tim Tebow. lol
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 11:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I hope he doesn't mean Tim Tebow. lol


I already see the smear commercials on if he is a virgin or not lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/11/12 11:58 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
There is one person-and one person only-whom conservative evangelicals should try to recruit if they want one of their own to win the presidency. However, this person won't be presidential timber in '16 or '20 for that matter. In fact this person wouldn't be poised for probably 16 years at least.

This person's popularity isn't hurt by the fact that the country is growing less religious, and while fools like Akin and Mourdoch paid a price for butchering a pro-life message in pro-life states with insensitive and ignorant remarks, this person has already delivered a pro-life message that was widely received as uplifting and inspiring.

This is a person, who has shown popularity that transcends race, gender, age and economic class more successfully than moderate Republicans. The person's present popularity isn't really determined or defined by party affiliation.

This person has received praise from Limbaugh and Chris Matthews, as well as President Obama. Sure there are some haters, but most would agree that the person's beliefs are more genuine and sincere than just about anyone, who's run.

Finally, this person would be a shoe-in to carry the swing state of Florida along with a couple of others. Efforts to smear this person's - shall we say, political inexperience - could have the effect of backfiring badly.

The person is well liked, bright, articulate, good looking with a contagious smile and sense of humor.

Can you guess by now who this is?


Oh man, a test? panic lol I am assuming this person does not exist.

TIS
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/12 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I hope he doesn't mean Tim Tebow. lol


Baby Jesus himself. lol
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/12 12:04 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I hope he doesn't mean Tim Tebow. lol


Baby Jesus himself. lol



He's not going to win Florida anymore. He stated he's an Ohio State fan now. lol
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/12 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I hope he doesn't mean Tim Tebow. lol


Baby Jesus himself. lol



He's not going to win Florida anymore. He stated he's an Ohio State fan now. lol


Even better. And if he takes the Jets to the Super Bowl, it'll be a better miracle than turning water into wine.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/12 12:29 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I hope he doesn't mean Tim Tebow. lol


Baby Jesus himself. lol



He's not going to win Florida anymore. He stated he's an Ohio State fan now. lol


Even better. And if he takes the Jets to the Super Bowl, it'll be a better miracle than turning water into wine.


You can say that again. wink
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/12 05:51 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Baby Jesus himself. lol


His economic plan would kill GOP though. It's even a bit communist for me. lol
Posted By: Danito

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/12 06:40 AM

And he claims to be a king which contradicts the values of a republic.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/12 06:41 AM

Happy Birthday Danito! grin I hope you have a great day. smile
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/12 03:16 PM

Well one bit of good news right-wingers can enjoy, and me too: Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.'s plea bargain with the Feds reportedly will include resignation and jail time.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/12 11:24 PM

Thursday's report, from the Center for the Study of the American Electorate, put 2012 voter turnout at 57.5% of all eligible voters, compared to 62.3% who voted in 2008 and 60.4% who cast ballots in 2004. In 2000, the turnout rate was 54.2%.


Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/political/p...s#ixzz2C3O8s71H
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/12/12 11:57 PM

Tennessee GOP Stalwart Forced to Rethink

Quote:
HENDERSONVILLE, Tenn. — She arrived early to take apart the campaign office piece by piece, just as she felt so many other things about her life were being dismantled. Beth Cox wore a Mitt Romney T-shirt, a cross around her neck and fresh eyeliner, even though she had been crying on and off and knew her makeup was likely to run. A day after the election, she tuned the radio to Glenn Beck and began pulling posters and American flags off the wall.

Her calendar read “Victory Day!!” and she had planned to celebrate in the office by hosting a dance party and selling Romney souvenirs. But instead she was packing those souvenirs into boxes, which would be donated to a charity that sent clothes to South America. Instead a moving company was en route to close down the office in the next 48 hours, and her friends were calling every few minutes to see how she was doing.

“I will be okay,” she told one caller. “I just don’t think we will be okay.”

Here in the heart of Red America, Cox and many others spent last week grieving not only for themselves and their candidate but also for a country they now believe has gone wildly off track. The days after Barack Obama’s reelection gave birth to a saying in Central Tennessee: Once was a slip, but twice is a sign....
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/13/12 09:46 PM

http://punditshaming.tumblr.com/
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/12 05:11 AM

By Reuters

TUCSON, Ariz. - Democratic U.S. Representative Ron Barber, a former aide to Gabrielle Giffords who was wounded alongside her in a deadly 2011 shooting, has won a full term in Congress after defeating Republican Martha McSally in a closely contested race.

Barber, 67, who won a special election in June to finish out Giffords' term, said McSally called him on Saturday morning to concede. They were running in the November 6 election to represent southeast Arizona in the state's redrawn 2nd Congressional District.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/12 02:38 PM

Meghan McCain: "If GOP Doesn't Change, I May Become An Independent."


Meghan McCain considering leaving the Republican Party
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/18/12 04:27 PM

This is pretty funny:

The-5 most-gloriously-awful-polls-of-2012
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/12 01:21 AM

I was watching Fox this afternoon and on a panel of several conservatives, among them Pat Cadell, they all opined that Orville Norquist is now an albatross around Republicans' necks.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/12 04:06 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I was watching Fox this afternoon and on a panel of several conservative, among them Pat Cadell, they all opined that Orville Norquist is now an albatross aroung Republicans' necks.


That surprises me. How times have changed.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/12 04:44 PM

Rubio Declines to Say How Old The Earth Is

Quote:
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) declined to tell GQ magazine how old he thought the earth was, saying it's "one of those great mysteries."

Said Rubio: "I'm not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I'm not a scientist. I don't think I'm qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/1...l#disqus_thread
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/12 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Rubio Declines to Say How Old The Earth Is


I have a friend from high school who is a Born Again Evangelical. He once told me the Earth is 4,000 years old. I just said "whatever" and dropped the subject.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/12 07:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Rubio Declines to Say How Old The Earth Is


I have a friend from high school who is a Born Again Evangelical. He once told me the Earth is 4,000 years old. I just said "whatever" and dropped the subject.


Is that daylight savings time? Makes me wanna watch "Inherit the Wind" again.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/12 08:06 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Rubio Declines to Say How Old The Earth Is


I have a friend from high school who is a Born Again Evangelical. He once told me the Earth is 4,000 years old. I just said "whatever" and dropped the subject.


Is that daylight savings time? Makes me wanna watch "Inherit the Wind" again.



We all just watched "Inherit the Wind." It was the Republican primaries and campaign.

Marco is unelectable if he is going to be cute on issues like this.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/12 08:24 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Rubio Declines to Say How Old The Earth Is

I'm not sure myself. But my underwear are getting pretty crusty.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/12 08:27 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Rubio Declines to Say How Old The Earth Is


I have a friend from high school who is a Born Again Evangelical. He once told me the Earth is 4,000 years old. I just said "whatever" and dropped the subject.


Is that daylight savings time? Makes me wanna watch "Inherit the Wind" again.


Him and I have reached an understanding. He won't try to "Save Me", and I won't post pictures of Jesus riding a dinosaur on his Facebook page. wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/12 10:58 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso

Marco is unelectable if he is going to be cute on issues like this.


As much as people ridicule Romney as a whiney sore loser for his publicly blaming this and that for his defeat (by both media and aspiring Republicans), Willard was right about the GOP primaries forcing him to please the base with such silly shit like this, by Gingrinch and Santorum. (Weird since neither of those had a prayer of winning the Presidency save for the Great Depression times infinity.)

This makes Rubio look stupid, but you have to cultivate with stupid to get the stupid vote in the national GOP primary, and he wants to be President. And he could be for all we know. (We've been needing a Ken Doll President since like ever.)
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/19/12 11:09 PM

I don't know if it's true or not, but I read that 58% of Republicans believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/20/12 01:32 AM

Even Ann Coulter acknowledges the Cambrian Explosion over 500 million years ago.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/20/12 02:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I don't know if it's true or not, but I read that 58% of Republicans believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old.


This always provides the "Gotcha" question for Republican primary candidates: "Do you believe in evolution?"

They can answer, "Yes," and isolate themselves from the influential evangelical base of the party, or answer, "No," and look uneducated to most of America.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/20/12 02:35 AM

Who the hell is Rubio kidding? He knows that the earth wasn't created in 7 days. He just doesn't want to piss the evangelical base off FOUR YEARS before he makes his bid. He weaved around it by getting to the more important issues: the economy and the debt.

But when the time does come he can't bullshit. I can only hope he'll disregard creationism altogether. The only problem with that is that evangelicals may be a dying breed but they aren't dead, not by a long shot and unless the GOP does some serious changing we could be seeing a repeat of 2012 in the Republican primaries. And that is something they cannot afford.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Election 2012 - 11/20/12 02:37 AM

This is exactly the problem that the pundits were discussing the day after the election. Run to the right to get the nomination but then lose the country.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/20/12 02:38 AM

On another note when Newt Gingrich calls your comments 'insulting' you know you're doing something wrong. Take the loss like a man Mitt don't be sore.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/political/m...ts-comment-nuts
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Election 2012 - 11/20/12 07:14 AM

This guy thinks if Romney had stuck to the right of Santorum, gay marriage would not have won.

Quote:
Staver said Monday on the Christian radio program "Faith and Freedom" that Romney's refusal to talk about social issues led to voters in Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, and Washington State approving ballot measures backing gay marriage. Romney should've campaigned in those four states, Staver insisted, and played up the importance of defining marriage as being between a man and a woman only.



http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/...urce=feedburner
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/20/12 10:41 PM

Sure and if Willard was more "truely" conservative, he would've won. Yeah right.

He had a decent plan to avoid the social issues, or the landmines getting in the way of his economic campaign. Thankfully his own party landed on those landmines for him and he reaped the (ill)reward.

Romney spotted pumping his own gas

http://www.ibtimes.com/redditor-spots-mitt-romney-pumping-his-own-gas-la-jolla-photo-892382
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/20/12 10:55 PM

A lot of his fellow Republicans are blaming Romney for the loss, but I thought he ran a vigorous and solid campaign. He performed well in the debates, had a reputable running mate, and was stronger than McCain in '08.

He didn't address specifics on his tax and budget agendas, but it didn't seem to be held against him.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/21/12 05:16 AM

Remember the Unskewed polls that the GOP pitched for instead of Nate "the Great" Silver (where art thou Skinny Vinny?) and those biased liberal polls? Well the guy behind those (wrong) polls is now running this website: The President got re-elected by fraud!

http://www.barackofraudo.com/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/21/12 04:17 PM

From pumping gas to now the happiest place on Earth.

Romney at Disneyland

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/mitt-romney-went-to-disneyland
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/21/12 07:03 PM

Mitt needs to take a long, long rest. He really believed he had it won. Some president he would have made....surrounded by "yes men" who tells him what he want to hear instead of the truth.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 11/21/12 08:44 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Mitt needs to take a long, long rest. He really believed he had it won. Some president he would have made....surrounded by "yes men" who tells him what he want to hear instead of the truth.


The fact that Romney, Karl Rove and Dick Morris thought that they had won the election is the very reason that one should not put any credence in their excuses for losing.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/21/12 08:53 PM

Just read Jesse Jackson Jr finally resigned today. They got him for the misuse of campaign money.

http://news.msn.com/politics/rep-jesse-jackson-jrto-resign-brother-says

I read that he is most likely looking at some prison time in the near future.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 11/22/12 01:49 AM

For those Board members who are interested, following is a link to the Tea Party Nation website. I don't think it is the official Tea Party website, but it is entertainig:

http://www.teapartynation.com/
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 11/26/12 06:51 PM

For a good analysis on why Obama won and what the uture may hold, take allok at the last edition of Rolling Stone's interview with James Carville. Romney was realy clueless for such a great business manager.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/27/12 05:28 AM

Yes 3 weeks later and they're still counting votes. The current national popular vote %:

Obama 50.8%
Romney 47.4%

Now if you round those %s up, it would be 51% for Obama and for Willard....47%.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?k...any=true#gid=19
Posted By: mr. soprano

Re: Election 2012 - 11/27/12 05:36 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Yes 3 weeks later and they're still counting votes. The current national popular vote %:

Obama 50.8%
Romney 47.4%

Now if you round those %s up, it would be 51% for Obama and for Willard....47%.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?k...any=true#gid=19



47% you say.

As Alanis would say: "Isn't that ironic."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/27/12 05:39 AM

Maybe he should've said 50% of the country were moochers?

EDIT - on a trivial note, Dianne Feinstein scored 7.3 million votes in her recent re-election: A record vote for a Senator. (Previous record was 6.9 million, held by fellow California Senator Barbara Boxer.)
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/12 08:34 PM

I got the results for 2016 already. wink

Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/12 08:44 PM

It's really a sad statement about America when you consider the Bush family as a sort of a dynasty.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/28/12 09:07 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
It's really a sad statement about America when you consider the Bush family as a sort of a dynasty.


I hear ya. Jeb could very well be a good candidate in 2016, but I don't see anyone except his diehard base voting to put another Bush in the Whitehouse.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/12 02:14 AM

Jeb and Rubio, Master and Student, going against each other would be good popcorn.

There is no way any candidate can win 68% of the vote. Reagan's epic '84 landslide, he won "only" 59%. And he won 49 states.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/12 04:38 AM

4 more fun facts about Election '12:

Romney/Ryan is the first ticket to lose both home states since 1972.

Romney's 23-point deficit in Massachusetts is the 2nd worst performance by a candidate in his home state since John Fremont (the first GOP presidential candidate) in 1856 lost California by a whopping 29.6 points to Buchanan, to finished 3rd.

Incidentally, Massachusetts scored a record voter turnout with 3,184,196 ballots cast, or 73.3%. You made history JoeSchmo! smile

Romney/Ryan lost the vote in both hometowns (Belmont, MA) and(Janesville, WI).
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/12 06:23 PM

Though I know the Democratic hardliners will never consider another Bush, I wouldn't count out the rest of the country. There's a lot of misconceptions about GW Bush, many of which weren't addressed or rebutted during this past election.

For one, it's a total misconception that Bush's economic policies are solely responible the recession, as it was Bill Clinton who expanded Freddie/Fannie and restricted Glass-Steagall financial regulations the same as Bush did.

It was also Bill Clinton who originally said Saddam Hussein had WMD's and needed to be disarmed.

Though I know the hardline Union workers, economic statists, etc. will never be convinced of this, nor give Bush Sr. the respect he deserves as a war hero, it's worth noting that Jeb Bush isn't GW. For one, Jeb can do a whole day's worth of talk shows and then appear before Congress and not bat an eye. Another is he has an Hispanic wife and son (George P.) and wouldn't necessarily need a minority on the ticket.

2016 will also be very different if the Democrats do not have a minority candidate, and one as popular as Obama. You throw Clinton in there and the Republican smear machine will be raking the Clintons over the coals like it's 1999--good old fashioned mud slinging (and no one calling the other a racist).
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/12 07:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti


2016 will also be very different if the Democrats do not have a minority candidate, and one as popular as Obama. You throw Clinton in there and the Republican smear machine will be raking the Clintons over the coals like it's 1999--good old fashioned mud slinging (and no one calling the other a racist).


Let them try. Even with his sex scandal, Bill Clinton left office with a 68% approval rating. One of the highest in U.S. history. Hillary Clinton's current job approval rating is 70%. If the Republicans want to be relevant in 2016, they better find a viable candidate, and focus on what he/she brings to the table. If the try to run another campaign with a candidate that has no real plan other than a few talking points and is far to the right on social issues, they'll get crushed again.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Election 2012 - 11/29/12 10:30 PM

The Republicans couldn't win the Upper Midwest despite favorable demographics. I don't think 2016 will be any easier for them. But the future's a devious thing..
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/12 12:51 AM

In the continuing vote counting, Obama has a good chance of finishing with 51%. He would be the first President since Eisenhower to score 51% popular vote twice.

Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/12 01:05 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
In the continuing vote counting, Obama has a good chance of finishing with 51%. He would be the first President since Eisenhower to score 51% popular vote twice.



I thought they gave him the 51% because his total was 50.7%, and it was final...??
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/12 01:21 AM

Let's see, and what words was the media using to describe this election? "razor-thin", "Dead Heat", "Neck & neck"

smile

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/12 01:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou


I thought they gave him the 51% because his total was 50.7%, and it was final...??


Unless my information is wrong, 20 states so far have certified and counted all their votes. Elsewhere they're still counting votes, beieve it or not. (The President is currently 50.91% as of yesterday.)

In short, be thankfuly Election Night ended on Election Night or else it would be a repeat of '00. Which nobody on either side wanted.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/12 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Let's see, and what words was the media using to describe this election? "razor-thin", "Dead Heat", "Neck & neck"

smile

TIS


Yeah. In reflection, the election looks less and less close. The President hit 48% in every battleground/swing state. (He only lost North Carolina, and even then he still scored 48.4%. How times have changed for Jesse Helms' state.) Romney managed to reach 48% in just two of them. In fact, he only reached 47% or better in just 4 of those 9 states. He also underperformed his national popular vote (47.4) in six of those states, while Obama overperformed his in six of the nine.

Obama could've lost every state he won by less than 5.4 points (Florida, Ohio, and Virginia), and he still would've won the EV count 272-266. Obama could've also lost every state that he won by seven or fewer points, and he still wouldn't have lost (217 EVs) as badly as Romney did (206 EVs).

And nevermind our unemployment rate is 7.9%, the highest ever for a re-elected incumbent President since FDR. How Romney, the "economy" candidate, end up beating the President on the economy question in exit polls by merely ONE POINT, will be endlessly examined abd become the butt of jokes for years to come among political scientists and professional partisans. (Notice how much the right wing have piled on Romney, even if they're a damn good reason why the "team" lost an election they could've...maybe should've...won.)
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/12 01:44 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Just Lou


I thought they gave him the 51% because his total was 50.7%, and it was final...??


Unless my information is wrong, 20 states so far have certified and counted all their votes. Elsewhere they're still counting votes, beieve it or not. (The President is currently 50.91% as of yesterday.)

In short, be thankfuly Election Night ended on Election Night or else it would be a repeat of '00. Which nobody on either side wanted.



I don't know. I was watching one of the news channels last night and they said Obama was at 51% (50.7%), and ironically Romney had 47% (47.4%). They made it sound final.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/12 01:48 AM

JL, it's like box-office. On sunday afternoons the supposed weekend totals reported are estimates based upon well-tested formulas and data. On monday morning, with much less coverage, the adjusted totals (when the sunday afternoon and evening numbers finally roll in.)
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/12 02:18 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
JL, it's like box-office. On sunday afternoons the supposed weekend totals reported are estimates based upon well-tested formulas and data. On monday morning, with much less coverage, the adjusted totals (when the sunday afternoon and evening numbers finally roll in.)



Maybe I was just ASSuming 3 weeks after the election all the votes were counted. wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/12 02:23 AM

You give American governmental efficiency too much credit. smile
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 11/30/12 02:47 AM

Another Fun Fact: New Hampshire will be the first state in American history to send an all-female state delegation to Congress (2 House/2 Senate members), and even elected it's 2nd female Governor. (The 1st one, Jeanne Shaheen, is currently the senior NH Senator.)

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/01/12 06:58 AM

Rural turnout plummets in 2012

According to an analysis by the Daily Yonder, which covers rural issues, rural presidential turnout dropped by twice the national average this year, sinking from 67.2 percent in 2008 to 54.9 percent.

Much of the erosion came from Democratic voters.

“Neither of the candidates inspired rural voters to go vote,” James Gimpel, a University of Maryland political scientist, told the Daily Yonder, “although there was even less enthusiasm for Obama than there was for Romney.”

Romney did, however, manage to win the rural vote by a higher percentage than John McCain. In 2008, McCain won 53.3 percent to Barack Obama’s 45.6 percent, but Romney won 58.9 percent among rural voters. That figure tracked almost exactly with George W. Bush’s rural performance in 2004.

http://www.dailyyonder.com/rural-voter-turnout-drops-18-2012/2012/11/28/5514
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/04/12 11:39 PM

A piece on Romney's Secret Service team on Election Night.

Quote:
Of all the indignities involved in losing a presidential race, none is more stark than the sudden emptiness of your entourage. The Secret Service detail guarding Governor Romney since Feb 1. stood down quickly. He had ridden in a 15-car motorcade to the Intercontinental Hotel in Boston for his concession speech. He rode in a single-car motorcade back across the Charles River to Belmont. His son, Tagg, did the driving.

But the Service leaves quickly. No more motorcades. No more rope lines. No more bubbles. Familiar faces disappear, never to be seen again.


Quote:
In 2008, agents offered to see John McCain back to his ranch in Sedona, but McCain insisted on saying his good byes in his suite at the Biltmore Hotel. The next morning, McCain was seen driving his own car to get groceries.


http://www.gq.com/news-politics/blogs/de...l#ixzz2E85myU5G
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/12 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
A piece on Romney's Secret Service team on Election Night.

[quote]Of all the indignities involved in losing a presidential race, none is more stark than the sudden emptiness of your entourage. The Secret Service detail guarding Governor Romney since Feb 1. stood down quickly. He had ridden in a 15-car motorcade to the Intercontinental Hotel in Boston for his concession speech. He rode in a single-car motorcade back across the Charles River to Belmont. His son, Tagg, did the driving.

But the Service leaves quickly. No more motorcades. No more rope lines. No more bubbles. Familiar faces disappear, never to be seen again.


Reminds me of Washington at the inauguration of John Adams. While the world's press assembled, unable to comprehend a peaceful transferal of power, Washington arrived amid cheers in an ornate carriage and a black velvet suit, surrounded by an entourage. After the inaugural he left alone on foot with his jacket over his arm.
Posted By: SC

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/12 12:21 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Reminds me of Washington at the inauguration of John Adams. While the world's press assembled, unable to comprehend a peaceful transferal of power, Washington arrived amid cheers in an ornate carriage and a black velvet suit, surrounded by an entourage. After the inaugural he left alone on foot with his jacket over his arm.


Did you take any pictures of that? tongue
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 12/05/12 12:39 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: klydon1
Reminds me of Washington at the inauguration of John Adams. While the world's press assembled, unable to comprehend a peaceful transferal of power, Washington arrived amid cheers in an ornate carriage and a black velvet suit, surrounded by an entourage. After the inaugural he left alone on foot with his jacket over his arm.


Did you take any pictures of that? tongue


lol No, but I was part of quite a few school trips and tours to Independence Hall where the tour guides are very descriptive. Jefferson wore a long blue coat and received the greatest applause while Adams, uncomfortable with all the pomp, wore a plain gray suit without shiny brass. Oh, and it was warm for March with temps in the mid 50s. wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/07/12 11:51 PM

Obama in his two Presidential campaigns' committees raised $1.4 billion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/07...hp_ref=politics
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 12/08/12 01:25 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: klydon1
Reminds me of Washington at the inauguration of John Adams. While the world's press assembled, unable to comprehend a peaceful transferal of power, Washington arrived amid cheers in an ornate carriage and a black velvet suit, surrounded by an entourage. After the inaugural he left alone on foot with his jacket over his arm.


Did you take any pictures of that? tongue


No, he didn't. But he did sketch them.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Election 2012 - 12/08/12 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: klydon1
Reminds me of Washington at the inauguration of John Adams. While the world's press assembled, unable to comprehend a peaceful transferal of power, Washington arrived amid cheers in an ornate carriage and a black velvet suit, surrounded by an entourage. After the inaugural he left alone on foot with his jacket over his arm.


Did you take any pictures of that? tongue


No, he didn't. But he did sketch them.


I tried to get a photo of Martha, but George slugged me.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/08/12 06:33 AM

Fun Fact: The nation of Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic and Slovakia) was proclaimed on the steps of Independence Hall on October 26, 1918 by Tomas Masary, that country's first President.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 12/10/12 04:52 PM

All right, I always thought Romney was a little bit "odd" (for loss of a better word.) Evidently Mitt was at a boxing match and greeted the boxer by saying:

"Hello Manny. I ran for president. I lost,"

Isn't that a strange introduction? confused lol


TIS


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/08/romney-pacquiao_n_2265358.html
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 12/24/12 04:36 PM

Why did it take Romney a long time to concede?

Quote:


"Arriving at his suite in the Westin Boston Waterfront ­hotel, Romney received regular updates from his staff. He made small talk about the Patriots and the Celtics and played with his grandchildren. He was about to concede around 11:15 p.m when Republican strategist Karl Rove made his now-infamous appearance on Fox News Channel, insisting that his own network was wrong in calling Ohio for the president."

"The concession call was canceled, followed by an hour of uncertainty. Then, after Fox ­executives dismissed Rove's concerns and stood by the network's projection, Romney said: Call the president."


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012...hQjL/story.html
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/13 01:51 AM

Anybody ever see this video? LMAOOO

Ed Schultz Mocks Mitt Romney With Goodnight Moon Parody

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/this-happened-ed-schultz-mocks-mitt-romney-with-goodnight-moon-parody/
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/13 01:57 AM

For some reason, I just really don't like Schultz personally.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Election 2012 - 01/02/13 02:06 AM

He reminds me of a retired football coach for some reason. That is random, I know.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/13 03:00 PM

Obama is the only Democrat besides Woodrow Wilson in 1916 to win the election without West Virginia.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/13 05:12 PM

Also, I just read yesterday, all votes tallied, Obama is first President since Eisenhower to win 2nd term with over 50 percent (51 percent I think) of vote. Also, he's the first Democrat to do so since FDR.


smile

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Election 2012 - 01/04/13 11:40 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Also, I just read yesterday, all votes tallied, Obama is first President since Eisenhower to win 2nd term with over 50 percent (51 percent I think) of vote. Also, he's the first Democrat to do so since FDR.


smile

TIS


Obama is now also the 2nd President post-WW2 to win re-election with unemployment over 6%. The first one was Ronald Reagan.

Also, Obama in New York this year scored the highest vote total for any Presidential nominee since 1964. In New Jersey he scored the highest vote for a Democratic candidate since '64.

In just 4 states (Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, & Ohio) the winning ticket's margin of victory was less than 5%. This is the smallest # of states below that threshold since 1984. (Reagan had 3 states within 5 points.)

In 2004, when Dubya was re-elected by popular vote gap of 3 points, 11 states were decided by fewer than 5 points. In 1976, when 20 states were within 5 points.

What does all this mean? Are we becoming more and more polarized?

18 states and D.C. (242 electoral votes) have gone Democratic in the last 6 national elections. Twenty-two states (180 electoral votes) have voted Republican in the past four elections.

TIS, California in '12 is a real sign of the times. The state of Nixon and Reagan, once upon a time a GOP stronghold, Romney this year couldn't even clear 40%. Obama trounced him by 23 points. GOP haven't won that state since '88.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-03/final-tally-shows-obama-first-since-56-to-win-51-twice.html
Posted By: bike

Re: Election 2012 - 01/12/13 11:54 AM

I was sure that the Obama will be the next president.Obama has a big support of the immigrants people due to its policies regarding immigration laws.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 06:07 PM

I knew he was going to win becaese he has the majority of everyone except angry white men over 65.
Posted By: RichieAnimal

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 06:23 PM

Angry white men? Obama won by 3 million it was not only white men who voted for Romney.angry about what? That the economy did not grow much under Obama. That prices are going up under Obama. That Obama is printing money that is not backed by any thing? That more and more people are on welfare under Obama. That more and more people are unemployed under Obama? That Obama taxes and spends and doest cut. If you say he does cut spending what did he cut was it already cut?

Kids graduate college and can't find a job.

No Obama is great a real smart guy
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: RichieAnimal
Angry white men? Obama won by 3 million it was not only white men who voted for Romney.angry about what? That the economy did not grow much under Obama. That prices are going up under Obama. That Obama is printing money that is not backed by any thing? That more and more people are on welfare under Obama. That more and more people are unemployed under Obama? That Obama taxes and spends and doest cut. If you say he does cut spending what did he cut was it already cut?

Kids graduate college and can't find a job.

No Obama is great a real smart guy
funny, the same people always accusing others as being racist are the same ones always pulling the race card out as if it somehow gives them some wierd kind of mythical credibilty. don't agree with obama on immigration reform and amnesty? must mean you hate mexicans. didn't vote for him or are critical of his policies? you must be an "angry white man" who hates blacks. get real!

some people on both sides of this election voted for their "guy" based on race alone, i don't think anyone will dispute that, but to try and equate either side with the lowest common denominator is silly. not everyone who voted for romney is some bitter old white racist hillbilly. not everyone who voted for obama is some lazy black who wants to live off the government.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 08:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
not everyone who voted for romney is some bitter old white racist hillbilly. not everyone who voted for obama is some lazy black who wants to live off the government.

Well put, FF smile.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 08:35 PM

Romney took a lot of heat for saying Russia was our number 1 enemy.

But what most folks don't realize is that the Russian military named NATO as their number 1 enemy. Or more specifically, "NATO expanding and NATO violating international laws"... "member countries of NATO expanding their military infrastructure to the borders of Russia, including expansion of the block."

Obama took a shot at Romney during the debates over this: "the 1980's called and they want their foreign policy back." Which got a good laugh.

But what do you expect in the Kim Kardashian society? It's much safer than actually exposing a naive society to the real truths in this world.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 08:37 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
not everyone who voted for romney is some bitter old white racist hillbilly. not everyone who voted for obama is some lazy black who wants to live off the government.

Well put, FF smile.


Ditto.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 08:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
But what do you expect in the Kim Kardashian society?

Bigger asses and more divorces?
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 08:44 PM

Well when you put it like that I guess it's not all a loss, pb. Here's to Erection 2016!

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 08:47 PM

You can keep her, Frank. The whole family turns my stomach. Even poor Bruce Jenner, and he was an American hero at one time!
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 08:56 PM

Not a fan of the Badonkadonk? Lol I wouldn't kick her out of bed. Could sit a clock radio and a drink on that thing.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 08:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
Could sit a clock radio and a drink on that thing.

You could set a Technics rack system and a case of Coors on that thing.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 09:02 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You can keep her, Frank. The whole family turns my stomach. Even poor Bruce Jenner, and he was an American hero at one time!


Can you say Puttane!
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 09:02 PM

^^ THAT'S the pizzaboy we all know and love. lmao lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 09:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
^^ THAT'S the pizzaboy we all know and love. lmao lol

Thanks, Frank. I wasn't sure if the younger members (not you, of course) would know what a Technics rack system even is. You can't fit in in your pocket or Tweet from it, so these kids probably don't know.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Election 2012 - 01/14/13 09:14 PM

Oh yeah, my parents used to have an 8 track and record player hooked up to those among other things. lol

(I gotta get back to work...before my computer gets blocked for all this derriere talk)
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