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Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats

Posted By: Just Lou

Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/28/09 07:11 PM

Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats

(AP)

WASHINGTON — Veteran Republican Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania abruptly switched parties Tuesday, a move intended to boost his re-election chances that also pushed Democrats within one seat of a 60-vote filibuster-resistant majority.

At a news conference, Specter said his switch to the Democratic Party was a "painful decision," but he found himself increasingly at odds with a Republican Party that has moved to the right.

The Pennsylvania lawmaker said his philosophy was more in line with the Democratic Party. He said in the last few months he surveyed the sentiments of the GOP and found prospects for winning next year's primary looked bleak.

Specter faced a tough challenge from former GOP foe Pat Toomey.

Specter stunned Capitol Hill with word that he would switch parties. At the news conference, he told Democrats that he won't be an automatic 60th vote. He said he will follow his own approach to legislating.

President Barack Obama called Specter almost immediately after he was informed of the switch to say the Democratic Party was "thrilled to have you," according to a White House official.

Spurned Republicans said his defection was motivated by ambition, not principle.

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said, "Let's be honest: Senator Specter didn't leave the GOP based on principles of any kind. He left to further his personal political interests because he knew that he was going to lose a Republican primary due to his left-wing voting record. Republicans look forward to beating Senator Specter in 2010, assuming the Democrats don't do it first."

Specter, 79 and in his fifth term, is one of a handful of Republican moderates remaining in Congress in a party now dominated by conservatives. Several officials said secret talks that preceded his decision reached into the White House, involving both Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden, a longtime colleague in the Senate. Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell as well as Democratic leaders in Congress also were involved.

With Specter, Democrats would have 59 Senate seats. Democrat Al Franken is ahead in a marathon recount in Minnesota, and if he ultimately wins his race against Republican Norm Coleman, he would become the party's 60th vote. That is the number needed to overcome a filibuster.

Specter faced an extraordinarily difficult re-election challenge in his home state in 2010, having first to confront a challenge from his right in the Republican primary before pivoting to a general election campaign against a Democrat in a state that has trended increasingly Democratic in recent elections. Former Rep. Pat Toomey, whom Specter defeated in a close primary race in 2004, is expected to run again.

Specter has acknowledged in recent months that in order to win a sixth term, he would need the support of thousands of Pennsylvania Republicans who sided with Obama in last fall's presidential election.

"I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate," he said in the statement.

Asked by a reporter what he had to say to his constituents, Specter replied with a smile, "I don't have to say anything to them. They said it to me."

Specter has long been an independent Republican, and he proved it most recently when he became one of only three members of the GOP in Congress to vote for Obama's economic stimulus legislation. Then, he proved it once more, pivoting not long afterward to say he did not support legislation making it easier to form unions, a bill that is organized labor's top priority in the current Congress.

In Pennsylvania, the chairman of the state Republican Party, Rob Gleason, said that Specter should offer a refund to Republicans who have helped fatten his war chest, which totaled $5.8 million at the end of 2008. "He should give them the option," Gleason said.

Even before Gleason made his comments, Specter announced he would return donations he has received this election cycle "upon request."

Specter has long been one of the most durable politicians of either party in Pennsylvania. In recent years, he has battled Hodgkin's disease, a cancer of the lymphatic system, but maintains a busy schedule that includes daily games of squash.

As one of the most senior Republicans in the Senate, Specter held powerful positions on the Judiciary and Appropriations committees. It was not clear how Democrats would calculate his seniority in assigning committee perches.

As recently as late winter, he was asked by a reporter why he had not taken Democrats up on past offers to switch parties.

"Because I am a Republican," he said at the time.

"I welcome Sen. Specter and his moderate voice to our diverse caucus," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said in a statement.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/28/09 07:36 PM

Specter would have lost the 2010 primary as a Republican despite having served 5 terms. He will likely win the Democratic primary and will probably run, unopposed.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/28/09 08:40 PM

I hope he loses the 2010 election as a Dem. I just wonder what the Whitehouse and the other Dems offered him to switch?

There goes the system of checks and balances.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/28/09 09:08 PM

They probably didn't have to offer him anything. As klydon pointed out, his best chance of getting re-elected is as a Dem, and he knows that.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/28/09 09:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
There goes the system of checks and balances.


What does this have to do with the system of checks and balances? confused
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/28/09 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
I hope he loses the 2010 election as a Dem. I just wonder what the Whitehouse and the other Dems offered him to switch?


Probably:

*A committee chairmanship or high seniority, if he had been a Dem all this time instead of a GOPer.
*Promised national/state money/support in 2010, and this especially from Rendell, VP Biden, the President, etc.
*A chance to electorally seek to keep his seat, and a good shot of winning against a super conservative like Toomey.

Originally Posted By: Mignon

There goes the system of checks and balances.


Remember when the GOP had total control of Congress 2003-2007?

Don't be so doomsday on us. Besides, the national Democratic Party has the country's political centre ("Blue Dogs") and again, Specter sees the handwriting on the wall.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/28/09 10:08 PM

is he the guy who rubbed the undercover offercer foot in the stalls?
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/28/09 10:10 PM

Yes I see it as doom. I don't feel either party should have total control.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/28/09 10:16 PM

I'm not sure what you mean by total control. Total control of what? Congressional committees have almost an equal number of Democrats and Republicans populating them. Passage of bills in either chamber still requires a majority vote.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/28/09 10:24 PM

I must be confused. Don't the Dems have the majority of votes?
Posted By: SC

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/28/09 10:31 PM

Fucking politicians have the same allegiance as today's ballplayers. None.

Whatever happened to a lifelong association?

They're all fucking whores.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/28/09 10:32 PM

Originally Posted By: SC


They're all fucking whores.


A politician is just like a prostitute. They'll take your money and you'll get screwed.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/28/09 10:43 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I'm not sure what you mean by total control. Total control of what? Congressional committees have almost an equal number of Democrats and Republicans populating them. Passage of bills in either chamber still requires a majority vote.


Cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes. Cloture under the Senate rules means that a bill can’t get to the floor unless 60 Senators vote for it.

With 60 votes, the Dems can do as they like without any Republican support.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/28/09 11:02 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Fucking politicians have the same allegiance as today's ballplayers. None.

Whatever happened to a lifelong association?

They're all fucking whores.


clap clap
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/29/09 01:50 AM

Specter was the staff director for the Warren Commission. He's probably the only person associated with the Kennedy assassination who's still alive.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/29/09 01:55 AM

fucking one bullet theory
Posted By: olivant

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/29/09 02:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: olivant
I'm not sure what you mean by total control. Total control of what? Congressional committees have almost an equal number of Democrats and Republicans populating them. Passage of bills in either chamber still requires a majority vote.


Cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes. Cloture under the Senate rules means that a bill can’t get to the floor unless 60 Senators vote for it.

With 60 votes, the Dems can do as they like without any Republican support.


Not true Lou. You should read all of the Congress' rules, especially those of the Senate. What you cited was Cloture to close off a Filibuster. Nothing else. There are Unaninmous Consent Agreements and Holds for example in the Senate which an objection by one Senator can stop in its tracks.

Mig's statement was about total control of the Congress. That betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the compromise that is necessary in the Congress. It's a vast oversimplification to state otherwise.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/29/09 02:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: olivant
I'm not sure what you mean by total control. Total control of what? Congressional committees have almost an equal number of Democrats and Republicans populating them. Passage of bills in either chamber still requires a majority vote.


Cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes. Cloture under the Senate rules means that a bill can’t get to the floor unless 60 Senators vote for it.

With 60 votes, the Dems can do as they like without any Republican support.


Yup, as soon as the Minnesota shit is cleared up and Franken gets seated.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/29/09 02:52 AM

BTW, what irony...Mr. Specter back in 2001 proposed a (never-enacted) rule to limit party-switching.

grin
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/29/09 03:22 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant


Not true Lou. You should read all of the Congress' rules, especially those of the Senate. What you cited was Cloture to close off a Filibuster. Nothing else. There are Unaninmous Consent Agreements and Holds for example in the Senate which an objection by one Senator can stop in its tracks.


So you believe that a Democratic Supermajority Senate, unfettered by filibusters, can be stopped by the objection of 1 Republican Senator?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/29/09 03:55 AM

Lou, you paraphrased one Senate rule among a plethora of them. Read some more of them and you will understand the compromise that is necessary to pass legislation and resolutions as I referred to in my previous post.

I'm not sure what you mean by "a Democratic Supermajority Senate, unfettered by filibusters, can be stopped." A supermajority doing what? Congressional activity does not consist only of voting. For example, study the Congressional committee system. Nothing happens to legislation unless it first receives a favorable report by the committee to which it is assigned. Such a favorable report is almost always a function of a compromise among the committee's members. Doing so will alert you to the complexity that characterizes Congressional politics.

To answer your question, yes I do. That's why there are a legion of rules in the Congress. Otherwise, Congressional action would primarily consist of a vote. Why do you think that legislation typically takes so long to weave its way through the Congress? The Senate Cloture rule (and it is just a rule subject to change) is dependent on 2 Independent Senators supporting a Democratic Cloture vote (by the way, Franken has not yet been admitted to the Senate). It also depends on all Democratic Senators voting with their Party colleagues. Democratic Senator Bayh, for one, may not since he's already shown his independence by breaking Party ranks over the President's budget.
Posted By: The Iceman

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/29/09 11:50 AM

That turncoat the last thing this country needs is a filibuster proof senate. Especially with the democrats in charge. sick

The article didn't mention it but this isn't the first time that the Benedict Arnold has switched parties. He did so back in 1967.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/29/09 12:30 PM

Like I said before, I hope he loses his seat.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/29/09 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: The Iceman
That turncoat the last thing this country needs is a filibuster proof senate. Especially with the democrats in charge. sick

The article didn't mention it but this isn't the first time that the Benedict Arnold has switched parties. He did so back in 1967.


Mate, if the GOP national establishment had been supporting Specter publicly and financially within that primary instead of sitting on the fence after the Stimulus package, maybe he would have stayed in the GOP.

and not help provide filibuster-proofing.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/29/09 06:46 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Mate, if the GOP national establishment had been supporting Specter publicly and financially within that primary instead of sitting on the fence after the Stimulus package, maybe he would have stayed in the GOP.

and not help provide filibuster-proofing.


Does anybody have a tissue? Aw the poor guy got his feelings hurt. Let's have a pity party 1-2-3 AWWW
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/30/09 01:37 AM

I have to admit, I am kind of enjoying all this shock over Specter's decision. Let's see, once Franken is finally in that makes what? 60? lol

Seriously, I don't think Specter is gonna be easily swayed one way or another. What I don't get is, at his age why the hell does he want to keep working? I'd be retired for 20 years by his age.

TIS
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/30/09 02:14 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
What I don't get is, at his age why the hell does he want to keep working? I'd be retired for 20 years by his age.TIS


I agree with you TIS. What is he 79? I'd retire and get the hell out of DC.

BTW Why is taking so long to count those votes?
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/30/09 02:52 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Seriously, I don't think Specter is gonna be easily swayed one way or another. What I don't get is, at his age why the hell does he want to keep working? I'd be retired for 20 years by his age.

TIS


That's true. The change in party affiliation will have absolutely no effect on how he would vote. His ideology has been constant throughout his tenure in the Senate. He'll certainly be no rubber stamp for Obama.

In past elections I've voted against him. Assuming he wins the 2010 Dem. primary, I'll have to see who's running against him (possibly Toomey or former US Senator Rick Santorum) before I decide.

Specter is an opportunist, but he has serious health issues as he's battled cancer.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/30/09 03:34 AM

Wasn't it pretty close (poll-wise) between Specter and Toomey? I don't really know Toomey but I thought some predicted that Toomey stood a good chance of winning. confused

Yea, Specter has had and beaten cancer twice (I think). Man, hat's something isn't it?



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/30/09 04:53 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Wasn't it pretty close (poll-wise) between Specter and Toomey? I don't really know Toomey but I thought some predicted that Toomey stood a good chance of winning. confused

Yea, Specter has had and beaten cancer twice (I think). Man, hat's something isn't it?



TIS


Specter's problem was that in 2004, he barely beat Toomey by slim. But all those moderate GOPers who felt Toomey was an electoral loser, they all left to join the Democratic Party within the state, so Specter was screwed.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/30/09 11:36 AM

Didn't Giuliani switch from Democrat to Republican years ago? Didn't NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg recently change party affiliation?

Perhaps the choice was opportunistic; perhaps it was ideological.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/30/09 01:51 PM

Ronald Reagan switched his party affiliation from Democrat to Republican. It's unlikely he could have achieved national political prominence as a Democrat.

When asked about why he left the Democratic Party, Reagan always responded, "I didn't leave it; It left me."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - 04/30/09 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1


When asked about why he left the Democratic Party, Reagan always responded, "I didn't leave it; It left me."


Sounds like me, except with the GOP.
Posted By: Saladbar

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 04/30/09 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant

It also depends on all Democratic Senators voting with their Party colleagues. Democratic Senator Bayh, for one, may not since he's already shown his independence by breaking Party ranks over the President's budget.



Will Specter vote differently now? Will he be more willing to go along with legislation that he is personally marginally against? Did his Republican handcuffs force his votes at all before? How much so? Liberal Republicans haven't been allowed fully in the party for decades. Republicans do not let party members disagree with each other and its stance on loyalty went to extremes under Bush (I had one friend abandon the party when they said he had to sign an oath of loyalty to go to one of their meetings a couple of years ago). Running for office without party support, especially in a statewide position, is VERY difficult, Specter saw the writing on the wall, you are out. This cult like craziness is killing the party.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 05/01/09 05:15 PM

Maybe the murder conviction against him in Los Angeles had something to do with it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 05/01/09 07:04 PM

Interesting polling I read the other day, last year in 2008 35% of Americans described themselves as Republicans.

Now its 20%.

Look you all know my affiliation regarding the President, but why such a rapid free fall like that?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 05/01/09 08:07 PM

Look for Obama to appoint Sonia Sotomayer (Hispanic) to take Souter's place. She's been on the 2nd Court of Appeals since 1998.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 05/02/09 03:10 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Interesting polling I read the other day, last year in 2008 35% of Americans described themselves as Republicans.

Now its 20%.

Look you all know my affiliation regarding the President, but why such a rapid free fall like that?


I think it was worse being a Democrat in the 1980s. Most of the Democrats went by the name "Reagan Democrat." It was especially odd among the college campi where Republicans were their strongest. The pendulum has certainly swung...and it will eventually swing back.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 05/02/09 04:49 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Look for Obama to appoint Sonia Sotomayer (Hispanic) to take Souter's place. She's been on the 2nd Court of Appeals since 1998.


Hopefully because she's rather qualified, and not because he's simply just trying to placate two check-box groups.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 05/02/09 04:50 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1


I think it was worse being a Democrat in the 1980s. Most of the Democrats went by the name "Reagan Democrat." It was especially odd among the college campi where Republicans were their strongest. The pendulum has certainly swung...and it will eventually swing back.


Well considering the party backing both Mondale and Hart, can you blame them?

Also, DailyKos came up with their suggestion for GOP's new mascot logo:

Posted By: klydon1

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 05/02/09 05:26 AM

There once was a senator, named Specter
Who pandered to the PA electors
He finally broke free
From the poor GOP
Who'd rather pick Hannibal Lecter
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 05/02/09 12:09 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
There once was a senator, named Specter
Who pandered to the PA electors
He finally broke free
From the poor GOP
Who'd rather pick Hannibal Lecter


Ha ha ha ha clap Very good Kly. And you're a poet as well. You get an A+. wink

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 05/07/09 09:44 PM

Well, you know with rumblings that Tom Ridge might make a run in the GOP primary, he probably would have beaten Specter.

Except he's decided not to.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/05/07/1925437.aspx

Of course, DailyKos is running one of their (usually trippy-biased) polls where Toomey was leadin Ridge 41-33.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democr - 05/08/09 01:28 AM

Pretty good Klyd.
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