People who you RESPECT

THE CLASH - As the well-made documentary THE FUTURE IS UNWRITTEN clearly put it, Joe Strummer/Mick Jones/Paul Simonon/Topper Headon (replacing Terry Chimes) were casted by a manager to look and act the then-raging "punk rock" movement in late 70s UK. The problem was when they were ordered to go "political" with their music.

Its hard to phantom that for such an influential rock act that helped me through my teen years much like other young men in the last 30 years, that nucleus were only around for 5 years, and recorded 5 albums (including their self-titled debut, if you count Chimes).

Yet what I respect was the fortune they lost in accomidating the fans. From a double (LONDON CALLING) and triple (SANDINISTA) album being sold for the price of one, to budget-pricing for merchandising and tickets. Too bad they acted like rock stars (egotistical, petty, etc.) at times, but ultimately...when it came down to it....they were the anti-David Lee Roth.

MEL GIBSON - Is he batcrap crazy? Probably. Is he a mad drunk? Maybe. Does he have balls? Yes.

I don't agree with his retro-Catholic religious stance regarding the Jesus of Nazareth myth, but when someone sinks $35+ million of their hard-earned cash to make a brutally-gruesome / subtlted religious picture....and then some of his own money for APOCALYPTO, which didn't have the benefit of the Church Buses. He's like Francis Ford Coppola, only not crapped away all of his talent...yet.

TIM DUNCAN - Guaranteed Hall of Famer, easily the best NBA player of this decade....and the media hates him. Why? Because he's a quiet team leader who doesn't open his mouth without the talent to back it up, or engage in stupidity, or is sexy enough for the marketing execs on Wall Street.

Like Pete Sampras, he's quietly called "boring," but I can relate to someone like that more than a rapist egomaniac (Kobe), a fat has-been that carries petty grudges (Shaq), or a basketball exec/coach who has killed a city's beloved franchise (Isiah Thomas) or better yet, someone who jumps into the stands and picks a fight with the WRONG man (Artest.)

GEORGE CLOONEY - While his 2005 Oscar acceptance speech was incredibly arrogant (and his SOUTH PARK pals mocked him with his "smug pollution"), I respect him even if as a Republican, I don't agree with alot of his politics.

Yet he is the one major movie star in Hollywood with someting that the others lack...crediblity. While Will Smith is working in idiotic goofball action blockbusters, Clooney's buddy Brad Pitt is too busy trying to take over Tom Cruise's abdicated throne, and Johnny Depp and Christian Bale are fighting it out to be the new Pacino/DeNiro....Clooney has banked his stardom in getting numerous personal projects funded.

With the exception of the (well-made) GOOD NIGHT, & GOOD LUCK , such pet projects with Steven Soderbergh have flopped and/or been ignored by critics. Yet just look at the quality pictures he's been involved with:

RETURN TO HORROR HIGH (solid slasher)
THREE KINGS
OUT OF SIGHT
O BROTHER, WHERE ART THOU?
SOLARIS
OCEAN'S 11
THE GOOD GERMAN
CONFESSIONS OF A DANGEROUS MIND
Chris Nolan's INSOMNIA (producer)'
MICHAEL CLAYTON
SYRIANA
GOOD NIGHT, & GOOD LUCK

But most of all, he aint a jerk. I mean, when your so-called "friends" mock you as a cowardly ally of American-hating terrorists in TEAM AMERICA, and you laugh it off without animosity.....take notes Mr. Penn.

REESE WITHERSPOON - I've never paid to watch any of her movies, save for maybe WALK THE LINE, but when you have Britney Spears out in Hollywood helping to reinforce a white trash stereotype of the South, its nice to have a southern belle out in Hollywood with public dignity. You go girl.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN - Yes, probably one of the greatest, if not #1, American President of all-time...and while his efforts to restore a fragmented nation and help an enslaved people are worthy of respect....its a little known chapter of his political career that isn't so well-heralded.

With the Mexican-American War waged that was practically a glorified American land-grab, and the desire for many Southern slave-owners to expand out west......there was Congressman Abe Lincoln of Illinois, in his first (and only) House term going alone in protesting the immorality of the war, and even introducing a futile bill demanding the exact spot where the conflict was instigated.

Laughed at, called a traitor, and his fellow Whigs abandoning his side to bask in the glory of a victorius war, Lincoln's stand cost him his Congressional career, and only returned to Washington some 15 years later to be inagurated as our 16th President.

Then I see 2003, where all the Democratic Senators who would vote YES for the Iraq war, and later deride against the conflict (Clinton/Kerry/Edwards).....how two of them had heavy ideological pasts in opposing such conflicts, and yet they feared their Presidential campaigns would get DOA if they went against the public.

Its ironic that the only Republican Senator to vote against the war, Chafee of Rhode Island....his first name is Lincoln.

2 of the 6, possibly. You're basically insane and un-worldly otherwise.

Mickey Rourke:He's a great actor who never got his big chance.He was a pretty damn good boxer when he quit the movies for a while and he's a funny guy.Never conformed to the Hollywood bullshit.

In America we put a space after all sentence-ending punctuation. And I think they do, too, in Oz.

And in America, you go off and bully Irishman about all the DVDs he buys.

Who do you respect?

Others I respect....

FDR - Was President for 12 years, led a successful World War on 5 continents, inspired the nation with his nation with leadership through a Depression, which there was nothing Great about it.....all while crippled from the waist down.

Men/Women of the American Armed Forces - For defending our freedoms, democracy, and whatever the Pentagon/White House tells them to do for little pay, an abusive VA system, and not enough thanks. They're more brave than I'll ever be...thank God they're around to protect my fatass.

Winston Churchill
Nelson Mandella
George Jackson
Lance Armstrong

My parents. They earned it.

Muhammad Ali - He stood up for his beliefs to the point where he had to give up his livelihood, but he didn't buckle. A class act and a great athlete and showman.

Albert Einstein - One of the greatest minds of the 20th century. His intelligence was surpassed only by his humanitarinism.

My parents and anybody who goes out of their way to help others!

Actually, we were never taught to do that on a computer.There are actually quite a few differences between OZ,USA and England.Really if you think about it,we should all be following England's way.They invented the damn language.

Well said my man

Man i love Mickey Rourke. I think he's a crazy SOB now,but man he has made some good movies. The Pope of Greenwich Village (1984) was my favorite movie. Also:Diner (1982),9 1/2 Weeks (1986).

John Fowles
Francis Bacon
Ingmar Bergman

And I'd seriously have to say myself; not enough people respect themselves.

So all the articles here are improper?


Now we're talking!

My parents, too, come to mind. In fact, I respect just about everyone who deserves it (doesn't mean I won't jab them now and then though. )

Who do I respect? Irishman, for continuously coming back to a board even though there are about 8 immature kids who like to go out of their way to put him down just to try and make themselves feel better

can you name them all?

Seriously, DMC: name them all.

Or I kill you, ja?

I'm one of them sometimes

He said immature kids, not immature adults!

I respect my father for teaching me a lesson in sacrifice that I was too dumb to understand or appreciate until I was an adult.

Damn Yankee fans always stick together.

Now Now Capo, I'm sure DMC can't name beyond...what, 4?

He was trying to point, but like Hillary Clinton at the debate last night.....only thing people remember is something along the lines of "xeroxed."

Let's not even bring up some of the bullshit you've pulled.

I respect teh Chocolate Jesus.

Hey Don Andrew, why don't you try sticking chu head in chu culo and see if it fits!

Seems like you only crawl out of the woodwork whenever someone else starts something and you have backing. I don't think that I've ever seen you take a stand on your own. You seem to grow balls only when you have others behind you.

It's the same fucking script every couple of months. Someone makes a post. Someone asks a question regarding that post, then Ronnie instigates, and Don Andrew arises from the peanut gallery.


And then what started out as a decent topic unfairly gets shut down because of the fucking antics.

You should either mind your buisness...or at least if you're going to take someone on, do it by yourself for once where you don't follow someone elses lead! I'd respect you more if you had a mind of your own for once!

Well you didn't say it "had" to be famous people. Although I'm sure there are several I could name.

I will go more on a personal level and say my parents. I respect them both immensely. Their unwavering love for each other after 67 years; the beautiful sense of family and how they managed to raise 4 kids with a one income family, keeping us all together, teaching us respect, faith, love for each other, and appreication of our culture.

The thing is, I never truly appreciated all this until I got older. I think that's part of life. However, I am glad they are still around so I can tell them. They've taught me things that I never realized, will stay with me forever.

TIS

Gonna talk to a fellow Giants fan like that??

If I, or Don Andrew, or anyone else were to tell you to stick your head up your ass you would delete our posts and give us threats of suspension or worse. But because you're a moderator and you add a gangster movie related accent (in this case, Scarface), it's supposed to be completely acceptable.

I happen to agree with DMC, I respect Irishman for his ability to ignore the abuse he takes from members here. But I am much more aggravated by people who are given power for a good reason but use it to make a scene as part of their power trip.

You're as bad as the people you moderate. The only difference is you have been given power to do so here. Be a little more open once and a while and you won't have people coming out of the woodwork to make a point or argue with you.

Fuck off mang. (<---- Scarface accent)

Entertainment

Let's get some things straight here Blibble.

If you think, for one minute that I need to come to this place in order to go on a power trip, you are gravely mistaken. I happen to enjoy this place very much and I just refuse to stand by any longer and watch a couple of the usual suspects continue to try and instigate, start trouble and basically pollute almost every other topic whenever they see an opportunity to do so.


As a matter of fact you've been quite vocal over the past few weeks, especially when I've made a reply to those who have tried to instigate or attack another member. But I guess that you think that because you don't moderate any threads, it's ok for you to do so, but that it's not ok for me to reply to those kinds of antics and voice my feelings.


Why shouldn't I be entitled to voice my opinion on here just because I happen to be a moderator over in several OTHER threads? Why should you be allowed to but me not allowed to?

A also happen to feel that several here repeatedly pick on Irish for no damn reason other than to feel like bigshots and tough guys. And Irish has been pretty damn tolerable with them.



I don't moderate this thread.

(and for your information, even in the threads that I do moderate, I've never banned or even suspended a member of this board.)

Hey DC, how about you go and whine about Geoff as well?

Oh thats right, he's THE BOSS.

Guys, this thread is about respect. Can we show some to each other?

Check the Movie Discussion Thread.

Fuck it. I'm just tired of the backhanded hypocrisy and good ole boys club going/that has been going on here for a while. I seriously don't care one way or the other but ehh I'll call people on their bullshit. No one is here holding my hand or anything, so just fuck off meng ()

Oh, and it's not like the poster I was referring to previously doesn't come out of the woodwork to whine and try to police other's thoughts and "language" while at the same time berating others constantly. But whatever. Honestly, I don't give a shit.

You should go to the forums at WrestleCrap, and FCM, more often then. You would be a great addition.

Yeah, I lurk more than anything at those places.

Brother, WC would welcome you with open arms.

*Gives DA the NWO T-shirt*

DMC happens to be right. Like Irish or not, like his reviews or not, he is constantly subject to nasty verbal attacks at the hands of several cyber-bullies who get their virtual rocks off by belittling someone else. And, whether you like him or not, Irish has behaved like a gentleman and never taken the bait.

Whether it's 4 people or 8 people or 50 people is immaterial. It's rude. And by pointing it out, DMC did nothing wrong, and didn't deserve a nasty post from Don Andrew or Ronnie, especially since Ronnie seems to be the most consistently nasty person when it comes to Irish.

As for what DC wrote, he may have been a bit personal, but he's also got a point. If everyone else feels they have the right to air their grievances, why shouldn't he? If Geoff or SC find a problem with it, then I'm sure they'll let him know. SC is one of the most fair people I know when it comes to that.

That's my two cents.

Well then I'm glad to know your constant threats are empty. Although you do delete posts you don't like or that make you look bad sometimes.

Let's also get something straight DC, I honestly enjoy your posts when you aren't talking down to other people. Especially about Mafia related stuff, you are very knowledgeable and informative. In fact you and I also have very similar politics. I just find it strange that there are a lot of people who feel the way I do about this, and there doesn't seem to be any problems with the other moderators. It's just you. When there is a problem that J Geoff, SC and Don Sicilia take care of they handle it in a much more professional manner. Short and to the point, end of problem. You make it personal by arguing and giving big lectures like you're a school principal talking to little kids or something like that.

You certainly are allowed to voice your opinions, but unfortunately you don't always allow the rest of us to do so. And I'm not talking about the direct attacks on people, such as Irishman. You get upset with anyone who has a different opinion as you and the threats start coming out or posts get deleted.

If I was the only one that felt this way then I would just keep my mouth shut. I probably should anyway, but I love this BB and I'm tired of seeing good members stop coming around because of this.

People on power trips usually don't realize they're on one.

I agree with you a hundred percent there.



And that is also my point. SC and Geoff handle things very fair. But DC makes everything personal. It doesn't need to be personal, not with someone who is a moderator, a representative of the BB.

Don't worry, you've been way too generous in your comments.

My dear, its called "Ignore." That's how Irishman has not taken the bait.

Try it sometime.

BTW, if these bullies are so awful, how come they've never been given the axe? Besides, at least one of them has behaved since his last warning.

Well, DC is DC.

Remember when he called me a sack of shit because of my negative review of Stone's WORLD TRADE CENTER, he thought I was trashing the people that died that day?

I really would not even have said anything if I hadn't noticed that DMC was essentially chastising others for "disrespect" when he certainly has had his share of trashing others. Just the hypocrisy fucks with me a little.

I'd also just like to add that I totally think that SC, Don Sicilia, and Geoff are all usually pretty good about everything.

Why haven't you gotten the ax? I really don't know, because your comments to Irish certainly have been personal. No two ways about it. But that's neither here nor there.

Name the last personal posting I made against Irish.

Yeah I argue with him on film reviews, but personal?

You've said this several times before. I need to know when I'VE ever deleted your or anyone elses posts when having a discussion, debate or argument? You're making false claims here because I've NEVER deleted anyone's post who which I may not have agreed with.




And I feel the same way about you also. I've always enjoyed your thoughts and ideas on most subjects that you've posted on or joined discussions on. It was only recently that I began to notice a slight change in your attitude and felt that you were starting to become more amd more beligerant with some of the comments you made towards others in your posts. And I am not the only one who noticed this. But hey, we can go back and forth all day about who is on your side and who is on mine, or how you became nasty and how I get personal. and it won't solve anything.



That's what makes people different. But I'll tell you this; in THIS THREAD, General Discussion, I do sometimes get more involved than those you've mentioned. I speak my mind in the heat of the battle, and perhaps sometimes speak more than I would over in the other threads. But I don't moderate this thread, and I never wanted to because I USED to enjoy debating here, (at least I did when they were somewhat mature debates), and felt that if I was a moderator here in this thread than I couldn't participate in some of those debates because of it.




Well that's how little kids need to be dealt with sometimes. You cannot deny that some here post and act like little children on many occassions when others are trying to discuss a decent topic ( and I'm not speaking about you here )

..."Irish is an idiot"...." You're a jerk for thinking like that"....."Your opinion sucks"

Statements that are of a personal nature and many times have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion itself!

And then there are the empty quotes that are posted one after the other, or the one word replies that have nothing to do with what's being discussed. Don't little children do things like that? Act like that to cause unwarrented disruptions? When children act like children, than they deserve get treated like children.

You can't deny that this doesn't go on quite often by the same usual suspects.



When have I EVER told someone, outside of their making a personal attack, or in a non offensive post, that they are not allowed to voice thier opinion?



Funny, it looks as though we both have the same feeling and goal in mind. Because I too, along with many others here, feel the same exact way about being tired of losing members from here because of the childish bullshit that's pulled by the same people over and over again.

At least we both seem to have our hearts in the right place when it comes to these boards.


I suggest that if either one of us want's to continue, we take it to a PM.

Getting back to the subject,

i have asked this question a few times before inparticular when i was at school and my history teacher could never give me a answer so here it is,

Do you think Hitler was respected by the German people or Feared?

I would say that they feared what he was capable of, no doubt, but also accepted him simply because they were vulnerable enough after the Treaty of Versailles and the Crisis of 1923, etc. to accept the loss of some their liberties in order to keep some economic well being. I guess he could command some respect, but groups such as the Hitler Youth were no doubt also built on a small sense of fear of not being accepted. But Goebbels and co. built his aura up enough to warrant some respect for Mein Fuhrer I suppose. Interesting question.

Both, but mainly feared I think.

I was also going to say a bit of both,i think when he first came to power he was respected but as time went on i think the respect went and the fear kicked in.

Chopper,

I think that's an interesting point. IMO, Hitler rose to power during a desperate time in Germany's history. The German economy was a mess, the people were starving, and, more than just give them hope, he gave them a scapegoat - the Jews.

I think originally people were attracted to him because he promised to fix all their problems. And then, when it came time to put his ideals into practice, he used whatever means were necessary. That's when he used fear quite effectively.

Imagine if your neighbors were being led away, and you rose to defend them. You said, Hey, these people have lived next door to me for 10 years. They're good and decent people. Why are you treating them this way?

And because of it, you were led away, too. How long do you think it would take for people to stop speaking up??

I've said it before the mods are babysitting and not getting paid.

DA and SB both gave good answers. To expand on them a little, imagine the state of mind of the German population after WWI. Imagine what it was like in Germany (especially financially) in the early 30's when inflation was way out of control. Along comes a man (for lack of a better word) and starts giving the population a sense of nationalism and starts fixing the economy. They no longer needed a wheelbarrow full of useless money to buy a loaf of bread. By the time (most of them, anyway) they saw what this little prick was really about, it was too late.

The tragedy of the Holocaust isn't that one man had the courage to do such evil, but that millions of others hadn't the courage to do good.

Under the thumb = pussy.

I can't necessarily blame them too much, either. This was a hugely desperate situation and the main people he got support from in the early days of the Nazi party were the unemployed and scared property owners. It was a difficult situation and he did manage to fix their problems. What was a person to do, you know? The SS would've crushed anyone to begin with.

Oh, and I forgot to show everyone my respect in the last post, with that fashionable "all is well" smiley that reminds one of my respect-giving (but really, it just magnifies the big "FUCK OFF I'LL DO AS I PLEASE!" attitude to what I just said):

I would agree with that, it could never have happened without them sort of letting it slip, but I would also imagine that any rebellion was smashed at the source. I mean, you did have people like Hans and Sophie Scholl, but they were few and far between. Although I can probably picture what a bigger uprising could've accomplished.

There is a plethora of books about Hitler and the Third Reich by John Toland, Joachim Feist, Cornelius Ryan, and William Shirer just to name a few. I've read many of them and they do not support the contention that, generally, the German people during that period feared Hitler.

By the way, if anyone wants to get axed, forget Irish; pick on Don Smitten.

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Capo, Surprised that people didn't do more to stop Hitler? After the Holocaust, didn't we swear we would never let it happen again? That we would rise up and crush any government that would slaughter people like this? And yet, what did we do in Rwanda? What is the world doing in Darfur?

We want our comforts, we want our warm homes and food. If we have that, we really don't want to rock the boat.

What about YOU, first?

Hey BlibBlab or whatever ur name is ..... why dont u cool down my friend and show some respect urself.

ds

Well, since u asked me. Okay.

You know you got to stop them at the beginning, like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich, They should never've let him get away with that. They were just asking for big trouble.

mang

Oh there's no question about it, the Germans followed Hitler not b/c they feared him, but b/c they AGREED with him. Most Germans at that time wanted to kick out the immigrants just as much as Hitler did. Do these feelings still exist today? Well, let's consider the fact that anyone wanting to expatriate from Bavaria must receive special permission from the Bavarian government. And of course, you and I (or anyone else for that matter) would probably have a better chance of moving to Mars then we would the fabled principality of Bavaria.

Another book I would recommend is George Bailey's Germans. Bailey was a liaison officer who served as a translator during WWII. He argues that one of the most shocking and appalling aspects of the war was the lack of an underground movement in the German art world against the Nazis. There should have been an absolute flowering of anti-Nazi literature, film, music, etc., which should have emerged out of the underground after the war was over; some of the greatest art the world had ever known, forged during the most trying of times, but it simply didn't happen.

Long story short: The Germans knew what they were getting with Hitler and they wanted it.

Since I missed it, the most intriguing post in months. I know for a fact how much sense it made.

(Add DA to my list. As well as Blib, svsg, Enzo, SC, Geoff, afs, Lav, Turi, Omar, and some others. Plaw, too.)

I don't think it takes a Nobel Laureate nor MENSA Grand Poobah to realize and appreciate what's requested here...

More photos of me in tights?

They're on their way.

Show us your camel toe, Geoff already did...