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Posted By: mustachepete

Poor Freddy - 04/19/21 02:49 AM

Freddy/Fredo really got screwed. It's occurred to me recently that by the end of the novel, he was not just competent, but legitimate - Vito's presentable son. When Mike went to Las Vegas in the novel:

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[*]Johnny was put in charge of recruiting entertainment for all four Corleone hotels.
[*]Dr. Jules was put in charge of medicine at all four hotels.
[*]Lucy was told she'd run the shops or hire girls at all four hotels.
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Vito was supposed to tell Freddy his new job, but since Freddy had shown a genius for running a hotel it could only be that he would run the hospitality side at all four hotels. Instead, we get the slimy pimp/blackmailer of GF2, living off Michael's oily crumbs.

I've often thought that a movie similar to Casino would have been a good GF3. Such a film could have been built around Freddy.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Poor Freddy - 04/19/21 05:11 AM

Pete, you're right about Fredo's transformation. In the novel Fredo is lauded as a genius when it came to running a hotel. However, the novel also has Vito disparaging his son's new found ability.

By II, Fredo's has been promoted(?) to running a brothel and, apparently, becomes a captain. Doesn't Michael tell Tom that he has power over Fredo and his men?

It's confusing.
Posted By: mustachepete

Re: Poor Freddy - 04/19/21 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by olivant
Doesn't Michael tell Tom that he has power over Fredo and his men?


Tom as the don, yes. It's hard to imagine Michael discussing Fredo's enterprises with him. One mistake Michael and Vito share is having a family member halfway in the Family, taking a living from the illegal side but not involved in the larger enterprise. It's a breeding ground for resentment.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Poor Freddy - 04/29/21 12:41 AM

So Pete, we don't know if Fredo was a capo. If he had men, then it seems likely. However, there are timeline or continuity problems.

In the GF, he is running a casino hotel and successfully. Apparently, he doesn't have any men at that point. Then by GFII he has men and runs a brothel or two and may have been a capo. Now, he can legitimately complain that he was stepped over for leadership of the Corleones. But, his complaint about only being sent hither and yon on mickey mouse assignments falls flat. He was given substantial responsibilities and a leadership position in the family.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Poor Freddy - 04/30/21 03:11 AM

"Fredo and his men" is one of those script anomalies that pop up so often in the Trilogy. In NY, Vito and then Michael had real Mafia regimes with capos over them to conduct illegal business and provide muscle. In Nevada, though, Michael's businesses were legitimate and, as far as we see in II, security was under Rocco, probably hired guys not made men or associates. If Fredo had men under him (a regime), what would he need them for? The chart shown at the Senate hearing listed "Caporegimes" but it was historical and included Tessio and Clemenza, as well as Sonny.

Fredo was a minor figure in GF and in the novel. He was somewhat weak and ineffectual in the novel, but the movies portrayed him as an idiot. Ironically, that treatment made his betrayal of Michael, and the boathouse scene, all the more powerful and shocking.
Posted By: mustachepete

Re: Poor Freddy - 04/30/21 02:04 PM

I think that the Fredo character may have put Coppola in a serious bind. The Freddy of the novel is, as TB says, a minor character, but that's of necessity because he is designed not to have an inner life. Lack of passion and introspection define him, so there's nothing to emerge on film.

So they replace that guy with the weak and stupid persona. Cazale knocks that out of the park, and Fredo gets upped for a big role in the GF2 script. But, that stifles the script in a way that leaves some of our neverending questions not just unanswered, but unanswerable. If Fredo says his boys killed the shooters, if he says that the plan was for Mike to be kidnapped, then when Fredo is shot in the back of the neck the audience will applaud. Coppola can't have that and still have his tragedy, so no one can tell the audience what actually happened.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Poor Freddy - 06/27/21 01:03 AM

Old Hollywood gimmick. Your lead needs a clumsy misfit to make him look more dominant and capable. In the book, Fredo's flaw is that he's just too dependent on family, reluctant to branch out. In the movie he's a total pushover and ultimately a traitor.

In the old westerns they used to have short doorways for the men to walk through and tall ones for the women, to make the men look bigger and the women look smaller. Juxtaposition. Weak, goofy Fredo compliments smooth, powerful Michael.
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