Kick Ass Scarface/Tupac Shirt

Sweet Jesus.

Assholes.

Nice, just bought it.

O SHIT PAT! U get that off e-bay holy shit i got that baby bout 4 months ago that is nothing like the shirt the background is linke a navy blue that doesn't look anything like the picture so now i have a fucked up t-shirt that looks horrible
check this baby $20.00

I didn't know you were automatically a 'gangsta' if you rap.

You can tell it's blue. Look at Tupac's face. -Pat

Gangster

Gangster? Hm... I wonder why they all say 'gangsta.' Is that just to be cool then?

I wonder why you post in here to try and start a fight. I believe the 2 mods once said, "Ignore members and topics you don't like." -Pat

Whats with this fuckin shit people saying you a gangster and making fucking jokes man? I mean cut the shit alright i didn't and neither did Pat claim that we were gangsters. Gangster doesn't even need to be used in that "Street smart" attitude Gangster can also mean being good at something 2Pac at Rapping (Oh My God I said the word Rap) and Tony Montana at getting the easy life. So just shut up about that shit alright. Sorry i'm just pissed

gansta man, ganster don´t rap, ganster are mob guys, and think rappers are gansta guys not gansters, hey don´t compare tony with tupac are diferent, i not have any problem with tupac, but don´t understand the fascination to put this movie like a rap icon

Scarface has nothing to do with rap. Which is why me, Lombardi and many others loathe it.

TS -- shut up and read into the posts more. I never said YOU or PAT claimed to be 'gangstas,' I was talking about TuPac. Pay attention.

And I agree, Angie, being a rapper doesn't make you a gangster.

Which is why you, Lombardi, and many others should ignore posts about it. -Pat

Why? We have just as much a right to an opinion as you.

why pat? is a free forum , all have dif opinion but u have to admit, scarface don´t have nothing in common with rap, because some rappers like snoop love this movie a saw it a lot don´t mean nothing, i really trate to understand why some people insist in this movie like a rap icon. but is your opinion and respect that, but dont tells us where post, ok

ciaoo angie

Shut the Fuck up I addressed me and Pat and then I addressed Pac you pay attention you fuck.

He has everything to do with rap, and living in a ghetto. Most Rappers come from the Ghetto. Scarface showed that you can go from nothing to something just like most rappers have from ghettos and projects. Tony came from the gutter so did Tupac. Tony Rised to the top so did Pac. Tony died because he wasn't careful and guess what... so did Pac. Rap has everything to do with Scarface and I believe that if Scarface had not be created Rap would not be what it is today.

Exactly

Stating your opinion in a civil manner without criticism and stating your opinion in a provactive way are 2 different things.


Angie--I won't even start about the whole rappers and Tony Montana relation because there was a war a few months back. I will tell you that you're wrong though. TS also pointed things out. -Pat

I don't think you've seen patrick's other posts Tony.

What the hell does that mean man?

It means that you haven't seen what Patrick has written in other posts. He's written about how he is a "thug."

TS -- hahaha! ...hahaha! You're such a fucking idiot. I made a bet that you would react this VERY way. "STFU." Hahaha. At least Pat has the maturity to reply without petty insults. What are you, a second grader? Get a life. Bet your next reply will be filled with "STFUs" and "UR GHEYs."

And just because they have "similaries," they have "everything to do with each other?" My favorite food is chicken, so is the Queen of England's. Shit, we must be EXACTLY alike and have EVERYTHING to do with each other.

And Pat, there's nothing wrong with criticism if it isn't immature and blatantly insulting.

AHAHAHAHAHAH HAH HA HAH!!!!

That has to be the stupidest post in a while. Scarface has nothing to do with rap no matter what low life scum bag with a few ryhmes and a pocket of Angel Dust says. And calling someone a "fuck" here will not get you anyone's good graces.

But you all are being immature and using insults. Can I direct you to the post above in which DV clearly refers to Tupac has a scumbag not only to grab TS's attention, but mine. -Pat

why do u all get on Patricks ass everytime he posts stuff about Tupac, if u dont like it let it be, but there are people here who like that stuff, i like Tupac, i like Scarface, i like Patrick so leave him alone

i agree with u anthony, TS don´t act like a damm kid , show more mature man, don´t insult, because all have dif opinions and u have to respect that, and i tell u the same thing of anthony, because i poor imigrant with some mistakes in my choices to survive have stuff in common with rappers, think more man.
and pat i dont have any problem with tupac man of u , but u have to respect others opinions too
angie

I hate rappers who act like Scarface has anything to do with rap. That is what I am saying and I have all the right to.

I wasn't referring to DV, Pat, I was referring to myself. Find one time where I blatantly insulted TuPac or acted immature? I didn't. The only time I insulted someone was when I insulted TS for acting like a jackass.

kthxbye

By the way, Scarface4ever, just because you like Pat that means we can't spark a debate with 'em? Riiight. Think again.

Yes, you have a right, however, that right isn't meant to be in an insulting way. -Pat

Tupac was a scumbag in my opinion. I don't care what he said in his raps to improve his politically correct image but he sold drugs in the ghetto [which I am not starting a debate on) and it is a 95% chance, no 99% chance he was a junkie all through his life.

Now you've crossed the line. Tupac wasn't a junkie. If Tupac was a junkie, do you think his poetry and literature could be taught along with Shakespeare in high school classes and he could have several colleges, including Harvard, teaching their students him? Not a chance. Just because someone smokes weed doesn't mean they're a junkie. He didn't have 100 pounds on him every second of the day praying to God he didn't run out. -Pat

You are hilarious Pat. This has to be the tenth time you showed me that link and it still does not phase me. It just goes to show today's world is going down the tubes.

"Now you crossed the line."

Woo Wee. I'm shuddering. O_O

"The boys in the class all brought in lyrics related either to gangs, sex or marijuana."

Am I the only one who finds that funny?

everytime something is posted about Tupac people start fighting, theres not enough rap fans on the boards to combat the people who hate rap and hate Tupac, why dont we just give it a rest

It's not even rap, it's just Tupac. See, I like his music but i'm not obsessed with it like some people are .

DV--The curriculum most schools have in place is set up for a world that no longer exists. Welcome to the year 2004. Would you like to join us? -Pat

I am well aware hell is put on us by force. Things are not what they used to be. Things used to be....good.

Uh... are you trying to sound smart?

shakespeare was a great man, don´t compare his poetry with a gansta hip hop lyrics , i dont wanna ofend u pat , but u ofend shakespeare and poor high school guys, they must to learn more educational stuff, but is my opinion and have to respect u fanatic love for tupac.

I'm trying not to insult anyone. However this 4 on 1 is making it difficult.

Angie--I didn't say anything about Shakespeare and Tupac besides the fact that they're both being taught. However, I think it's uncalled for for you to say anything like Shakespeare is better. BUT, since you weren't here during the war, now you know a lot of things can start, which is why we won't be saying which one is better or which one we think is better. -Pat

I cannot describe how funny this quote is. I think it's uncalled you bossing someone who is making more sense then you.

Pat... It's UNCALLED FOR for Angie to state Shakespeare is better? It's UNCALLED FOR for Angie to state her opinion?

Nirvana is better than TuPac. My opinion. Uh oh, guess that was uncalled for.

And if you had a good enough argument, "four on one" would be no problem. But since your argument is weak, it's obviously a problem.

(wipes off tear) he's on a roll now...

See what I mean, Angie? This is the main reason I left the movie boards. Everyone of my damn posts are criticized. This shit is really getting old. DV, you started this whole thing with the 2nd post in this thread if I may remind you.
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If you don't like certain topics or particular members, ignore them!
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You don't like me, and you don't like 2Pac. Therefore, you ALL should've ignored this thread and TS and myself could've had a respectable conversation. -Pat

i know pat , i trate to understand your posture,i really do, and sorry if i ofend u , but really can understand why u insist in the point scarface is a rap icon, i love this movie and i dont see the comon things , i not a real rap fan i dont hate it , i listen some hip hop sometimes , no much, but i dont understand the point, sorry pat i repeat i dont have a problem with u, only trate to understand u.

If this were a Tupac and Nirvana thread, then I could careless. I don't see anything about Nirvana though. Rememeber what happened when we started the Godfather VS. Scarface thread and it turned into Shakespeare VS. Tupac? -Pat

Have your "respectable" Conversation in a damn PM.

I entered because me and Lombardi are sick to our stomachs of the rapper/Scarface connection which only exists in the minds of the rapping asses.
The movie boards was something different. Mike was being bitchy to you for whatever reasons. Here is a different story.

Pat -- my point wasn't to compare Nirvana/TuPac, my point was to show how ridiculous your comment was about Angie's opinion being uncalled for. How can an OPINION be UNCALLED FOR?

I entered because me and Lombardi are sick to our stomachs of the rapper/Scarface connection which only exists in the minds of the rapping asses.
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Once again, you insulted while stating your opinion. You could've just said, "You 2 were sick to your stomachs of the rap/Scarface connection." No, you had to continue to try and provoke me and call rappers "asses." -Pat

hahaha, pat i even trate to compare shakespeare with tupac is imposible man, i only trate to understand your point.

Because an opinion doesn't need to insult another person. You can state your opinion without another person being insulted. -Pat

I'm terribly sorry Pat. I insulted your highly intellectual mind. Maybe if I made it in the form of a ryhme stating my opinion with a few verses of weed and hookers I might have sounded better.

ouch good one

Lombardi--See what I mean? That's immaturity. This isn't the place for that. -Pat

Pat, I'm really trying to hold my cool... But how was she INSULTING TUPAC? She said it in the most uninsulting way.

However, I think it's uncalled for for you to say anything like Shakespeare is better.

That was your exact quote. You said it was UNCALLED for that Angie's opinion was Shakespeare is better. "An opinion doesn't need to insult another person." What do you mean? How is Angie saying Shakespeare is better than TuPac "insulting?" She was completely innocent and did nothing wrong. It was NOT uncalled for. You said it was UNCALLED FOR that she had an opinion. I didn't know having and opinion is "uncalled for." That's fucking stoopit.

That's because the last time that happened a freaking war broke out. Weren't you here for that?

What I don't understand is why rappers only love this movie. I know that some of them like The Godfather, but why do the glorify Scarface so much? Vito started off with nothing, and look where he got. So why don't the rappers glorify the Godfather as much as Scarface? Or OUATIA?

It's okay if the rappers like Scarface, but it is just out of control. Kids in my classes talk about Scarface, which I assume is because of the rappers. Again, it's okay to like it, but just give the whole "I'm Tony Montana" thing a break!

Riley

You're talking about imaturity? You're the one with a LONG history of imaturity. 4129 posts of imaturity to be exact.

Lombardi--That's a non-insulting opinion. -Pat

take easy pat i repeat for i dont know how many times i only trate to understand your posicion and yes for me shakespeare is more damm good like tupac man, he was one of the greatest u dont compare that , i REPEAT DONT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH U OR TUPAC, and i dont want any damm war only we share are dif opinions.

So, it's uncalled for to have a non-insulting opinion?

What I'm saying is your statement was COMPLETELY stoopit. Angie says "I think Shakespeare is better than TuPac." And you said "It's UNCALLED FOR to say he is better!" Uncalled for is usually used as a term for rude things and such, not an "opinion."

My point is... HOW WAS Angie's opinion insulting and uncalled for?

And RH, I agree. All these kids loving Scarface because the rappers do is fucking stoopit. And 90% of them haven't even seen it, and if they have, they don't understand it. The only reason they like it is 'cause it's "cool" and the rappers like it. And the ONLY part they know is "say hell to my little friend."

Anthony man, don't you see you made the insult first go ahead and read the posts I was telling everybody to shut the fuck up I Did NOT mention any names Then you told me to shut up, that mens you Mr. Lombardi not me is at fault if I'm swearing at you. You wanna prove to me that Scarface and Pac have nothing alike you go ahead and do that.

A thug is so much diffrent then a gangster.

i bet Universal is loving the rappers promotion of Scarface, they dont care, theyre just selling so many copies of Scarface because everybody wants to be like the rappers...poor bastards...lol

anyway, i think everyone needs to just cool it, because u know its only a matter of time before Sc or JGeoff closes this topic

i m agree with u , let´s end this, all have diferent opinions , and is waste of time fight for that.
peace for all, and `PAT i hope u don´t be mad of me man.
angie.

TS -- you really need to go to school more often. You were not talking to "everyone" when you said to "shut the fuck up." You were saying it directly to me. You quoted me, then right below it said "shut the fuck up and pay attention you fuck" as a REPLY. If you were saying it to everyone, you wouldn't have said it right below a quote of mine. You were replying, and you said "you." Don't try to fucking lie and turn it around because I made an idiot out of you. It only makes you look more stupid.

And saying "shut up" isn't an insult -- when you get vulgar and then say "you fuck," that's an insult. Therefore, you were the one to throw insults like a petty little baby first.

kthxbye

I don't listen to Tupac, but I don't want to insult him and his music. Like some people on this board I agree that I find it annoying when my peers compare rappers to Tony Mantana. First Tony Mantana is a fictional character. I'm sure these rappers had a hard life growing up in an atmosphere of gang violence and drugs. I don't think it's right to compare your life though to a fictional character though, as I think that shows you as a person have a hard time grasping fiction from reality. I respect Pat as an individual and I don't have a problem with anyone who enjoys rap or a rapper. Just my opinon and let's not be figthing with one another as usually fighting like this takes away the quality of a good community of a message board.

THAT is respecting everybodys opinion farly

Still doesn't change the fact that you are the rudest in this thread. You seem like one of those Montana buffs who uses "Fuck" as many times as possible regardless of how redundant you sound.

That's weird, neither of them were "Original" in any sense.

I'm not a montana buff, i've only seen the movie like twice

BTW, Harvard does this research so they can figure out why only high school white boys like him. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Real mature, JJ.

Hahahaha!! ...haha!!!

Good Idea!!

wtf is your problem? you just want problems don't you?

hey pat i got a question how did u make the picture on ur shirt or did it come like that

well why are we middle class white people on a forum about gangsters who came from italy dirt poor about 100 years ago?

Because you can enjoy a movie no matter what race you are.

Didn't know you had to be a certain race to like certain movies.

And I am Italian.

1. it was a rhetoricall question , and was a joke.
2. i wasnt talking to you, i was quoting joltinjoe
3. i wasnt talkin about movies
4. are you gonna hold a grudge against me from now on cuz i revealed you gayness to everyone on the same sex thread? not that we couldnt notice, cuz ur so heavily pro gay. GOD get a life!

Don P: YOU QUOTED HIM.

And um.....Lombardi is not gay. And next time use better sarcasm so people can tell it is a rhetorical question.

why anthony is gay? , because he have an open mind, that´s mature not gayness dude

uhh who are you? did i say something to you? no. ok. MIND YOUR FUCKIN BUSINESS! Arnt you the one in a thread last month talkin about how your life sucks cuz you got no friends or something standing up to people and takin sides on the internet wont help. Maybe if you spent as much time out of your house as you did with your posts then you would have friends. Next speak when spoken too, didnt you learn that yet?

what happened here? i thought we were on friendly terms, why you being rude to me? what did i do to you?

well is in friendly terms pope, u know that kind of homofobic behavior it bothers me a bit, is your opinion and respect that, but also u have to respect anthony and others opinions.

Pat,

Why dont you stop posting your Tupac stuff?
Do you LIKE being controvercial... Although we should ignore your punk ass you yourself must also stop posting things that are so controvercial...

i stated my opinion and he came out and said my opinion was wrong, i never said shit about his opinon until he brought it upon self for me to say something.

"None of your fucking business" are PMs, this is a board where ANYONE can post ANYWHERE. If you are gonna act rude when I didn't show any rudness then fine, show your immaturity. Insulting respected members like Cheeks will get you nowhere. Grow up.

I think we found a new ignorance on the boards. You quoted me, so don't try to go back and say "OMG I WAZ ONLY JOKIN" now. It's pointless and basically everyone knows you're immature. You're showing it here. I mean, really, what are you trying to accomplish going on insulting rampages? Do you think it makes you look good? No, it portrays you in a completely negative light.

And you say to Angie "I thought we were on friendly terms." Me and Angie happen to be good friends, and when you hurl pointless and senseless insults around I'm sure she's going to stand up for what she believes in. Oh, wait, I forgot; since you're so used to childish insults, you must be used to childish things such as "I THOUGHT YOU WERE ON MY SIDE!" I see.

And I never said your opinion was "wrong." Check the thread. We were ALL debating. I never got "defensive." What the fuck do you think you DO IN DEBATES? You argue your point. What, in a DEBATING THREAD, am I supposed to say "oh, okay, that's your opinion." If you're going to post in a thread where there is heavy conflict about difference in a opinion, DON'T POST IN IT. If you do, don't expect no one to call you on your beliefs.

i break your damn cheek. OK i guess ill grow up, ive been holdin off for awhile waiting for someone like you to tell me when.

HAHAHA, are you done yet... damn look whos immature gettin all touchy and emotional on the internet, some advice get a girl, some friends and finally get laid for once. then you will much happier. unless you are gay, are you?

stop it pope , it´s enough okay.

Do you realize what an idiot you're making out of yourself? Three people are telling you to grow up and in another thread the administrator has told you to cut the bullshit... And you're still ranting and throwing a tantrum like a little kid? Are you that stubborn? Are you that thick?

I don't remember getting "emotional." Was I crying? No. Was I showing anger? No. Was I showing joy? No. Okay, no emotions to be entitled "emotional."

Immature? I'm not the one hurling insults like a second grader.

Here we go again -- "GET A GIRL ARE YOU GAY?" Do you realize how stupid you sound? Really, cut the senseless insults. How would you know what friends I have or if I've been "laid?" Are you monitoring me? Are you watching me? Oh, no... You're using idiotic and belligerent assumptions to hurl insults at people you don't know. I get it.

You bash me for arguing on the internet, yet who's the one who keeps replying with insults? Yeah, exactly -- that's what I thought.

Grow up. It's getting old really, really fast.

Guys, if you have a problem with what a fellow member posted, there are three acceptable options here:

1. Ignore it;

2. Refute it in a mature manner explaining why you don't agree with it;

3. If you feel there has been a personal attack made against you, use the "Report Post" feature and the moderators will follow up on the matter.

Please don't stoop so low as to respond in a manner likely to start a flame war. Its annoying, childish and downright rude.

absolutely, but when i stated my opinion lombardi got all uptight about it all, and started insulting me, acting like a little girl. What he needs is a good old ass kicking to keep him in line, too bad hes got his computer protecting him. some people just dont know how lucky they are. lombardi im makin myself look like an idiot? good i dont give a fuck what anyone of you think, but seriously im concerned for you, maybe a social life would be the answer. Have a nice day

You're exactly right, SC -- and that's what I did. Replied in an ordely, mature fashion.... Which is why Don Pope is the one who got the warning from Geoff.

absolutely, but when i stated my opinion lombardi got all uptight about it all, and started insulting me, acting like a little girl.

If you can show me where I insulted you, you get a prize. Oh, wait... You can't. Damn it all.

lombardi im makin myself look like an idiot? good i dont give a fuck what anyone of you think

Exactly -- you're tough; you're hardcore, man. I better stay away from you. You might "kick my ass."

Making idle threats over the internet. Gotta love it.

seriously im concerned for you, maybe a social life would be the answer.

1.) You don't know anything about that because you don't live near me; you're making assumptions over the internet. Wow, that's big of you. 2.) I'm concerned for you; I think maybe a spelling/grammar/punctuation class may be the answer for ya. Look into it.

your still bitching? jesus GET OVER IT, Yea get a life, get a girl. Stop takin ur angers out on people on the internet. you wont be sayin shit if i were standing in front of you, thats wat sucks about people like you, you can say anything want over a computer and nothin would happen. I guess that makes you feel powerful knowing that. anyway i had enough arguing about it. go do something OFF the computer. Cya later !!

Hahahaha, funny thing is -- you keep replying.

Get a life and a girl? Hmmm... Maybe I'll take that advice that I don't need once you learn how to form a sentence without constant grammatical errors. Seriously, you don't know me, so you cannot even begin to tell me what I "need" based off stupid assumptions you make off petty insults that a fifth grader would look at down at.

"IF U WER IN FRONT OF ME U WOODNT DO IT CUZ ID BEET U ^" Right? Riiiight... Tone down your ego and stop making threats over the internet. It doesn't make you look big or bad. They're idle and will never happen. You tell me I need a "life" because I debate online -- yet someone who threatens someone over the internet, they don't need a "life" right?

Yep, say "c ya l8er" then come back and reply. You talk down to me 'cause I reply and won't "get over it" yet who keeps coming back for me? Hypocrisy at it's finest!

Now I can predict what you'll do next. You won't rebut ANYTHING I SAY -- you'll just hurl insults like I need a "life" and a "girl" and I wouldn't do this "in front of you." Let's see how psychic I really am!

oh man

Don Pope, you ruined your reputation here. You've turned into a little bitch now. As I said. Insulting respected members like Lomardi who is about 5 years older then you will get you nowhere. Grow up and stop acting like an asshole "OMG GET A GIRL N SOCHAL LIF!!!111 IM NOT FUKIN TALKIN 2 U! GRO UP N STOP WHINING U INSULTED ME!!"

Take it off the boards!!!

well atleast im not the one telling people i have no friends and sit at my house all day since elementary school, trying to make people feel bad for you. I ruined my reputation becuase i posted my opinion about something and lambardi dosent like it? give me a break Take SC advice and let it go. cuz this whole thing got nothing to do with you.

See, Pope, you tell Vercetti to take SC's advice and "take it off the boards" when you should have been the one to "take it off the boards" and PMed Vercetti with that last reply.

SC, Geoff, SOMEONE -- I really suggest just locking this thread. It's turning into a warzone.

He wasn't just talking to me. And don't go off topic. a thread I made over a month ago is completely irrelevant to this arguement but then again, going off topic is the only thing you can do to make a post now. Grow up, personal attacks are making you look like a moron.

yea lock it, first thing i agree with you about. We can build on that as for Don vercetti i lost all respect for you, just for the fact that you barge into an argument that dosent concern in any way what so ever. You pop out of nowhere like you know me, then take sides against me, thats showing of much of a moron YOU are.

Lock the thread? Why? So you guys can take this sandbox act somewhere else?

Practice some self control! If you all want to go into private and gouge each other's eyes out then go and do it, but stop this b.s. in public!

CONSIDER THIS A WARNING

This is a BOARD, not a PM, I can reply anywhere. Don't like it? leave.

"like you know me." REALLY? Shows how much of a hypocrite you were to Lombardi "GET A GIRL AND SOSHAL LIFE LOLOLOLOL"

OK SC, I'm leaving the thread.

No, because all it's done is cause trouble and arguments -- nothing good has come out of it. It was just a suggestion, man.

It's "funny" (quotes indicate sarcasm) that the same players are the ones involved in these battles of "wit". Hmm... Do as SC said.

I would just like to say I cannot agree more with where Lombardi and D.V and the others are coming from.

This gangsta rap makes me sick. I have said this many times before but these rappers need to get a life and quit worshipping scarface as if it were the new bible.

I don't want to name anybody here, but I find it so laughable and pathetic that so many people criticize 2Pac without knowing shit and thinking he was the typical *bling bling* muscle wannabe "gangsta" rapper. But obviously, he was highly misunderstood. 2Pac was the real deal, a true thug, a true niggah. Having an extreme desire to achieve, Pac worked harder in his 25 years than most people could in 10 life times. He even wrote some of his songs in a Napkin while taking a shit in the bathroom, and songs that were direclty gone to his albums without further editings. Just in the year of 1997, 2Pac sold over 12 million albums. Tupac sold 2.7 million records five years after his death, and his estate made about $7 millions. He wasn't afraid to speak for what was on his mind. Music was real, and he spoke what he felt, from his heart, from thee pit of thee stomach. Pac was huge back then & still is, he's a guy that will never be forgotten. With songs that had meanful plus sentimental lyrics, Pac sang about his life or what he went through. He never was afraid of anything. Pac also was a great actor, poet and all around entertainer. With people thinking that all he was promoting was violence, the society usually tend to see things through different views. I'm kinda disappointed and revolted about those opinions against the life of a man who rose from the ashes of ghetto life to a superstar rapper, a critically acclaimed actor, a wondefully touching poet and finally; to us true fans, nothing more than a LEGEND. Personally, I think he was the truset nigga alive & there will be no one like him again ever.

TUPAC WAS JUS AN ANNOYING RAPPER HE THINKS HE IS LIKE SCARFACE WELL NO. NO HE ISN'T HE'S JUST SOME DEAD RAPPER THAT U LIKE TO SUCK HIS DICK.
AND ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT SAY HE IS ALIVE WELL IF HE'S ALIVE WHY DOESNT HE BE A MAN AND SHOW US HES ALIVE.COS HE IS A COWARD IS SCARFACE A COWARD NO.

Wow. Please refrain from yelling at me, little man. Scarface (Tony Montana) is a fictional character and how wasn't he a coward? He sold drugs to make his life better, rather then his society. If you think Tupac was an "annoying rapper," then I pity you for not having the intelligence to understand his literature. BTW, Tupac is dead in case you didn't know. If Tupac was a coward, he would've killed himself in the pen. Did he? No. He came out to be the most inspirational rapper of all time. He went down fighting. He was a soldier. "A coward dies a thousand deaths. A soldier dies but once." -Pat

Especially at times like these, you really need to think about what the hell you're saying before shooting your mouth off with that trash.

What do you mean? He got shot and survived. Got shot again, and was a fallen soldier. Joe--Must you always bust my balls? Seriously. This has nothing to do with you. I've been ignoring this thread for the longest time, but that kid has no idea what he's talking about. It seems you don't either. When you can take the time and actually learn about him, then give me your opinion on him. Until then, I just don't care. It's worthless. -Pat

Pat you fucking idolize Tupac. You treat him as if he were a god, when in reality he was just another rapper. Get a fucking life man seriously.

I think idolizing someone is giving me more of a life then bashing someone all of the time that you know absolutely nothing about. I already took care of you in the other thread, so I see no more need in trying to embarrass you further. You guys don't understand that Tupac was the voice of our youth. Tupac didn't rap about what is rapped today. He didn't go, "Yo, I got my 32 in rims and cars. Lets go fuck hos and smoke all day. I'm a rubberband man and I'm feeling tipsy while I'm in da club." That wasn't Tupac. You hear this shit today and think that is what he was like. Were some of his songs about drugs? Yeh. Did he call some women bitches? Yeh. What guys don't call some women bitches? He said it himself, "I love women and I wouldn't hurt them. People think that when I call a woman a bitch, I think they're all bitches. No! Alright? That's not what I think. I'd never call my mom or sister a bitch. Just some women are bitches. They take a man's money and break his heart. There are guy bitches too." Tupac was our voice. Tupac spoke when we couldn't be heard. We lost a prodigy when we lost Tupac. Like I said, I can't make you like him, but if you're not going to give it a chance, then it's your loss for being so ignorant. -Pat

Pat,

I have given 2pac a chance, to be completely honest, his music didnt really interest me. Im a fan of rap and all but only to an extent. You take it way to far...

CAlling him a voice for our youth? What the fuck are you talking about?

Kid? what the fuck? where i live (manchester) most people listen to rap and 2pac and all the rest of it. If i was a kid i would of followed the rest of em but no. i like GOOD music. and i said he's dead what didn't u see that bit? to be honest nobody on this cares about 2pac. and u come out "look at this 2pac and scarface shirt"
and it says gangsters on it or something like that i don't believe 2pac was a gangster.you see gangsters do organized crime. and a gangsta just doesn't he gets in his car goes lookin for some1 to shoot anyone they don't care just anybody.
so can you please stop posting your shit that nobody wants to hear about on here.

Tupac was neither a Gangster or Gangsta. I bought this shirt before I had learned more about him. He was a Thug. Not a gangster. Not a gangsta. A Thug. -Pat

You could've just left it at that. "I didn't like it." There's no need to talk shit.

Voice of our youth:
"You know, it's funny. When it rains, it pours. They got money for wars, but can't feed the poor. They say their ain't no hope for the youth, but the truth is it ain't no hope for the future."

"And what's strange is nobody knew my name before it came. Now the whole world is calling me a killer. All I ever did was try to reach the kids with the real."

"Got me worried, stressing. My
vision's blurried. The question is, "Will I live?" No one in the world loves me. I'm headed for danger. Don't trust strangers. Put one in the chamber whenever I'm feeling this anger. Don't wanna make excuses cause this is how it
is. What's the use? Unless we're shooting, no one notices the youth."

"God, come save the youth. Ain't nothing else to do but have faith in you...Dear Lord, if ya hear me, tell me why little girl like LaTasha had to die. She never got to see the bullet, just heard the shot. Her little body couldn't take it, it shook and dropped. And when I saw it on the news, I see busta girl killing Tasha. Now I'm screaming "Fuck the world!" In the end, it's my friends that flip-flop."

I dont see a difference between being a thug and a gangsta. Why are you posting his lyrics, is that supposed to prove how he was "the voice of our youth?" Well it doesnt prove shit.

Get a life, no one wants to hear your shit about tupac anymore.

Your ignorance amazes me. If anyone here needs "a life," it's you for bashing all of my posts. If you don't like something, ignore it. That's been a rule on this board since day 1. It's not my fault you can't comprehend lyrics. -Pat

A thug! lol so really he was a small time junkie

This fool is getting it right. WHo cares if you think 2PAC doesn't interest you. But wait, Do you even rap yourself? Why don't you come up with some of YOUR own shit and we'll see how good you would rap, kid. I'm sure 2PAC earned and did more than what you could do in 20 life-times.

how does that work out? u obviously post more stuff cos u have over 4500 posts so u DO need a life so u have just been clamped

I definetly know you can't read now. I wasn't even talking to you. -Pat

Bottom Line IS:
There is NO relation between Scarface & Rap
No rap music
No baggy clothes
No blacks

I'm sorry but even the Def Jam feature on the DVD was pathetic, it had no right to be on such a great DVD and it tainted it
It's sad

I've said it before and I'll say it again, blacks had no role in the mafia, they were outsiders
You had to be white (Italian, Irish etc.)
Watch the Godfather and even listen to some of those lines

I have and always will respond to posts like this
These stupid fucking rappers, have no idea what the whole idea is,
dumb white kids across the US buy their CDs about violence and drugs (mostly made up) and make them rich, because it's the "in" thing
No living like Scarface (like most claim on that Def Jam feature)

All rappers that grew up in the ghetto and poverty can relate to it. -Pat

Anyone can relate one form of their life to anything
Rappers have a fixation of the mafia
They have no part of it
Mob Men were honorable men who only employed family and people close to them (whites)
Rappers cannot accept that so they try to spin things around with their music

You know, it's funny how all of you talk shit on blacks and rappers in here because I guarantee none of you have ever gone up to a bunch of black guys talking about "Scarface and being in the Mafia" and tried to tell them off. You come here to voice your opinion, but here it does nothing. Go up to a gang and say something that to them. Then we'll see how unorganized they are. -Pat

hah, you assume all blacks are badasses, I'm not a coward
this is a message board for opinions
I don't go out of my way to piss anyone off
If blacks want to believe or fantasize let them, the media is fucked up anyway
But real, intelligent, honorable white men know and will not buy in to that garbage

but I've grown up knowing how things were and where blacks don't fit in with the mafia
End of story

well nobody that has been posting on this topic has 4500. so what does it matter if you wasn't talking to me your still sad and i can probably read better than you anyway?

Yes...It's true....Pat..is..an idiot.

Not to re-open a can of worms, but I wish to express my opinion on this subject. First of all, this entire post went form someone displaying a t-shirt with Scarface and Tupac Shakur. It seems silly that so many would get so agitated over something so simple.
I am a fan of Tupac Shakur and collect some of his music, but I recognize him for who he was. Tupac was an artist, but he also was an entertainer. The rap industry is making a large amount of money using the so called “gangsta” and “thug” image. This is all merely a sale’s pitch. I enjoy some rap music, but I take it all at face value and recognize that what I am listing to is not reality, but merely entertainment. Although many of these rap-stars have had their troubles with the law, fights, murders, and many other controversial issues, that does not convince me, personally that these men are really who they say they are. 50Cent, Dr. Dre, 2pac, Snoop Dogg, and down the line. These men are in the “gangsta rap” business for one primary reason, to make money and they make money by using promoting these fantasy images. Entertainers and gangsters are two different groups of people. I hope no one was offended by this post, this is merely my opinion. Feel free to reply or comment as you may.