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Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II

Posted By: J Geoff

Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/19/08 04:50 PM


This is a continuation of Movies You Just Watched Discussion...
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/19/08 05:57 PM

Now that you have recovered the thread, can't you unlock it and continue?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/19/08 06:06 PM


I'm just afraid that it'll break again. ohwell

What, you don't like sequels? wink
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/19/08 06:43 PM

THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: PRINCE CASPIAN star star star
(First Viewing)

A good continuation in the NARNIA series but a little too fast-paced for me. Right after the opening credits begin the children are already thrust back into Narnia without much of a "how you doin?" Not as good as the original.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/19/08 06:45 PM

NATIONAL TREASURE 2: BOOK OF SECRETS star star 1/2
(First Viewing)

Definitely a lot better than the original. More humor, a bigger role for Harvey Keitel, and I feel Ed Harris did a better job at being the villain than Sean Bean did in the first installment. I haven't heard anything to this affect but I'd love to see a third one now.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/19/08 09:08 PM

INDIANA JONES AND THE RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK star star star star
(Nth Viewing)

Just gearing up for INDIANA JONES IV later on this week and figured I owed myself a rewatch of the trilogy. I know many believe this is the best Jones of the bunch and while I can't really argue too much against that point, for me personally, THE LAST CRUSADE does it. Everybody did a fantastic job to make this a classic. I can't imagine anyone else other than Harrison Ford playing Indiana Jones. The directing by Steven Spielberg is dead on as is the music. Paul Freeman was extremely enjoyable as Dr. Rene Belloq.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 01:53 AM



INDIANA JONES & THE TEMPLE OF DOOM (1984) - ****

I know now, and perhaps always did, that RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK is the best picture of that franchise, and a perfect masterpiece of action cinema.

But I actually prefered this movie as a kid.

Much like another 1984 release in THE LAST STARFIGHTER, Steven Spielberg's INDIANA JONES & THE TEMPLE OF DOOM is a juvenile boy's adventure, except its as well-made as such a creative endeavor could possibly be.

The tough hero has his shirt open, fist fights everyone, with a useful junior sidekick tagging along. The baddie is wild-eyed in his cartoonish yet evil presence. There is teases of sex everywhere, subliminal or overt. Henchmen are killed in creative ways. The chases and thrills are wonderfully over the top.

Adults and girls are revolted when monkey heads and snakes are eaten for lunch, and shriek as hearts are brutally ripped out of people's chests, while us boys are just loving it.

If RAIDERS was saturday matinee serials retooled and disguised as A-level filmmaking craft, TEMPLE OF DOOM is very frank and honest of its B-movie reality, and so very much in punch drunk love with its pulp trash roots.

To make my point more clear, let's use a metaphor for the Indiana Jones trilogy.

RAIDERS is the well-loved guy Valedictorian/High School Quarterback that is neat, clean, and perfect in an Aryan sort of way. LAST CRUSADE is the geek kid that imitates the RAIDERS guy in everyway, but falls well short and is sorta hollow.

Then there is TEMPLE OF DOOM is the motorcycle-riding gang leader of a badass with a chilling charisma that people either dig or fear. He stays out partying late with his drinking and smoking, he beats up the LAST CRUSADE kid because the latter is a dork, and doesn't give a goddamn if the RAIDERS guy has a problem with that.

Most people seem to hate TEMPLE OF DOOM, or at least well-prefer LAST CRUSADE, and I hang my head. TEMPLE OF DOOM has the action and popcorn one would expect from an Indiana Jones picture, but tries to be its own creature, a more dark and funhouse-quality brother to RAIDERS that is more rich and rewarding than LAST CRUSADE.

It also succeeds because its the closest time that Spielberg, Harrison Ford, and George Lucas have come in producing a James Bond picture, and TEMPLE OF DOOM is their cinema-surrogate to play 007.

There is the tension-filled opening at the Shanghai nightclub where Ford lavishes up his own Sean Connery persona. Indy Jones may be a rugged layman, but he can also be classy and slick when he wants to be. What follows is the first major action sequence, which is totally unrelated to the movie's plot.

Nevermind the hero's own calm penetration entrance into (and explosive exit from) the villain's massive stronghold fortress, intercut with sexual innuendo and spectacular stunts.

If TEMPLE OF DOOM is an unofficial Bond movie, then Amrish Puri is the essential Bondian villain. Full of dreams where his evil death cult wipes the other great world religions off the globe, a bald head covered with red paint, a menacing laugh, and he scared the hell out of me as a kid.

Imagine if Osama Bin Laden ever had a personality.

Besides his ultra-deadly fundamentalism, he also kidnaps children for slave labor. Much like Luther in THE WARRIORS, he's a great Crazy Asshole.

What surprised me though in rewatching DOOM is the surprising chemistry that Jonathan Ke Quan had with Ford as Short Round. From playing cards to teaming-up in battling guards, he is like Dick Grayson in being a good surrogate-son/sidekick outlet for boys who wish they were out there kicking ass with Indiana Jones. Sure he gets whipped and beaten, but that's the prize to be paid.

As much as I love TEMPLE OF DOOM, its not perfect. Some of the "comedy" falls flat, though they don't bother me as much as the gags in LAST CRUSADE. Kate Capshaw may be the doll, but she screams way too much at times for my liking. Plus I must admit, this is great trash...but its still trash.

But this is a rare movie where Spielberg is obviously having a great fun time with the material, almost as much as I did.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 03:59 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I'm just afraid that it'll break again. ohwell


Seriously? Can't you test a single thread to see? Maybe a less popular one?

Did someone hack the site or what? It seems strange that random threads would suddenly lock... sorry if this is discussed elsewhere on the site, I'm still trying to figure out what's going on.
Posted By: ginaitaliangirl

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 04:16 AM

Nice Indy review, Ronnie! All three were on SciFi recently, so it automatically became my goal to watch the full trilogy, but that failed just as it did the last time I tried watching them all with my parents about a year ago. Now we've loaned our video copies to a neighbor, so it may never work out. haha

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Adults and girls are revolted when monkey heads and snakes are eaten for lunch, and shriek as hearts are brutally ripped out of people's chests, while us boys are just loving it.
You!! tongue lol I have ranted several times to various people about how I have this distinct memory from my childhood...I was in our family living room, we were playing Monopoly (a random part of the memory) and watching Indiana Jones, and I recall being absolutely terrified by the scene where the heart is ripped out. Someday I need to revisit that to see how it affects me now, but I remember so well being completely frightened at the time.

I've never been good at giving reviews or even properly judging movies except based on my own entertainment, but I watched two recently with my cousin - The Mist and Fight Club. I heard that Stephen King gave permission for The Mist to be given a different ending, so now I'm curious to read what he originally wrote. I really enjoyed Fight Club...not at all what I expected, and I thought it was really clever.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 04:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
It seems strange that random threads would suddenly lock... sorry if this is discussed elsewhere on the site, I'm still trying to figure out what's going on.

"Random threads" didn't "suddenly lock." You're right, this isn't the right place to discuss this, but, it's discussed elsewhere and it's not random: ALL the threads in question were very large, and most years in the making. The most popular threads on the site. I don't know what caused it, but I had a hell-filled weekend over it, got'em back, and I'm not about to take any chances because I wanna see how big they can get. What is the big deal, anyway? Size (of threads) doesn't matter - the health of the BB does. tongue wink If I ever find out the problem, then things may change. But until then, please give me a little slack. wink

I came here to say something about Doom, not discuss the board. That belongs elsewhere.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 04:57 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
INDIANA JONES & THE TEMPLE OF DOOM is a juvenile boy's adventure, except its as well-made as such a creative endeavor could possibly be.


It's.

I was planning on watching this before I saw your post, and your post didn't influence it whatsoever since I didn't read past the 2nd paragraph. whistle

I just watched DOOM tonight (also preparing for the latest episode coming out). I thought LOST ARK was great -- just pleasurable and entertaining all around.

But "well made"?? Maybe it's because I'm not a "juvenile boy" any more, but, I thought this was a big piece of crap. Seriously. I know it was 1984, but they did make bluescreen effects look realistic before '84. Hell, Wizard of Oz had better effects in the 30's! And supernatural lifesaving skills were, well, wow! Not a scratch from falling FROM A PLANE?

And, while I love Star Wars and all, this STANK of Lucas all over it, rather than Spielberg. What's that about? Did Lucas bully SPIELBERG??!! Some of the acting sucked in parts, too -- and I know it's a "kid's movie", but please, show some self-respect and talent rather than over-acting comic-booky bullcrap. whistle

I love Lucas... I love Spielberg... but this -- compared to other films, Indy titles or not -- was a bit disappointing to me.

I remember CRUSADE being better, so let's just hope my memory isn't failing me when I watch it, after David is crowned American Idol.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 05:09 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
INDIANA JONES & THE TEMPLE OF DOOM is a juvenile boy's adventure, except its as well-made as such a creative endeavor could possibly be.


It's.

I was planning on watching this before I saw your post, and your post didn't influence it whatsoever since I didn't read past the 2nd paragraph. whistle

I just watched DOOM tonight (also preparing for the latest episode coming out). I thought LOST ARK was great -- just pleasurable and entertaining all around.

But "well made"?? Maybe it's because I'm not a "juvenile boy" any more, but, I thought this was a big piece of crap. Seriously. I know it was 1984, but they did make bluescreen effects look realistic before '84. Hell, Wizard of Oz had better effects in the 30's! And supernatural lifesaving skills were, well, wow! Not a scratch from falling FROM A PLANE?

And, while I love Star Wars and all, this STANK of Lucas all over it, rather than Spielberg. What's that about? Did Lucas bully SPIELBERG??!! Some of the acting sucked in parts, too -- and I know it's a "kid's movie", but please, show some self-respect and talent rather than over-acting comic-booky bullcrap. whistle

I love Lucas... I love Spielberg... but this -- compared to other films, Indy titles or not -- was a bit disappointing to me.

I remember CRUSADE being better, so let's just hope my memory isn't failing me when I watch it, after David is crowned American Idol.


Blah blah, what about that horrible background blue-screen effect of the blimp in LAST CRUSADE?

And speaking of "supernatural lifesaving skills," what about in RAIDERS when Indy easily pushes aside a huge rock block to escape the Well of Souls?

Be fucking consistent.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 05:15 AM


Was it necessary to quote my entire post just for that? tongue

I said I still need to rewatch CRUSADE, so I'm not about to review it or comment about it after so-many years. Ask me in a few days.

Secondly, good movies like RAIDERS are given some slack. Sucky movies like TEMPLE OF DOOM are given less slack.

I don't know, I haven't seen/read anything about it, but just watching it tonight, I think Lucas thought he was the end-all-be-all and took this away from Spielberg... a shame.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 05:32 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Was it necessary to quote my entire post just for that? tongue


I simply wanted to continue the spam-tradition of the ole thread, which I'll miss. I don't care for Irishman, but he did good by creating that thread.

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
I said I still need to rewatch CRUSADE, so I'm not about to review it or comment about it after so-many years. Ask me in a few days.


Will do, though in short my problems with CRUSADE is that in a mix with alot of well-shot sequences (River Phoenix as young Indy, Berlin book burning, Venice boat chase), the 3rd Act and outright plot device is too much of a RAIDERS knock-off for my taste.

Hell, CRUSADE is probably the best shot RAIDERS knock-off ever.

Then the comedy shenanigans in the 2nd half of the picture was just simply annoying.

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Secondly, good movies like RAIDERS are given some slack. Sucky movies like TEMPLE OF DOOM are given less slack.


"Movie Physics" to me can bend reality, or be given slack, if they at least give us a loophole of reason to buy such cheating.

With DOOM and that falling off an airplane, I bought it simply as able to land that lifeboat using gravity, and downslope of a snow-covered mountain, to escape getting flattened like a pancake. Likewise, Indy could escape from the Well of Souls in RAIDERS because those blocks were off-centered, or a pile of low-quality stone that he could push himself to freedom.

All bullshit of course, but compare both with Michael Bay's ARMAGEDDON when a shuttle crashes in an asteroid, and among the ruins, is fire burning wildly...in an air-less vacuum.

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
I don't know, I haven't seen/read anything about it, but just watching it tonight, I think Lucas thought he was the end-all-be-all and took this away from Spielberg... a shame.


Spielberg is the closest thing we have today in a modern day David Selznik, or the biggest Czar of them all in Hollywood...and in 1984 after E.T., the dude could do, and still do, whatever the fuck he wanted.

My point is, Spielberg is one such guy who could tell Lucas NO if he wanted to. For better or for worse, TEMPLE OF DOOM was Lucas/Spielberg's baby. Too bad they retreated to (way too) familiar ground with LAST CRUSADE.

Off topic, but a friend of mine actually proposed to his wife when TEMPLE OF DOOM was on TV, at the scene when the baddie forces Ford to drink the blood.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 05:39 AM


Congrats to your friend! cool But too bad they gotta watch that film every year for the next 60-or-so years! eek lol

I'm still not gonna discuss CRUSADE before I rewatch it tongue

But I still contend that -- it seemed to me that -- Spielberg didn't do whatever he wanted. Because if he did, I think the film would've been a lot better, rather than a crappy pseudo-Star Wars meets Disney knock-off. whistle
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 05:49 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff


But I still contend that -- it seemed to me that -- Spielberg didn't do whatever he wanted. Because if he did, I think the film would've been a lot better, rather than a crappy pseudo-Star Wars meets Disney knock-off. whistle


You mean the same Spielberg who on his own has shot some floaters like ALWAYS and THE LOST WORLD?

Yes, the INDY pictures were always a committee project between Spielberg/Lucas/Ford, but the Panda doesn't have the Beard finger-cuffed as you seem to think he is.

Hell, Spielberg outright rejected Lucas' original pitch for INDY IV...the ole "SAUCERMEN OF MARS" concept.

Then again, you might have a point, for unless I'm mistaken, alot of concepts from SOM did end up ultimately in CRYSTAL SKULL...

Click to reveal..
You know, Indy finally settling down, mother fuckin aliens, Roswell, him fist-fighting the Soviets, etc.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 06:00 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
I love Lucas... I love Spielberg... but this -- compared to other films, Indy titles or not -- was a bit disappointing to me.


Don't be surprised if INDY IV does the same thing to you. I've read one review online already and they gave it a 5/10. I'm not saying I'm gonna hate it (I expect to enjoy it) but with all the build up, craziness surrounding the franchise, and the expectations fans have, I wouldn't at all be surprised if it was the SPIDER-MAN 3 of 2008
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 06:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: J Geoff
I love Lucas... I love Spielberg... but this -- compared to other films, Indy titles or not -- was a bit disappointing to me.


Don't be surprised if INDY IV does the same thing to you. I've read one review online already and they gave it a 5/10. I'm not saying I'm gonna hate it (I expect to enjoy it) but with all the build up, craziness surrounding the franchise, and the expectations fans have, I wouldn't at all be surprised if it was the SPIDER-MAN 3 of 2008


Let me guess.....you got it from CHUD?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 06:08 AM


Well, Ford is what, 80? Plus the Even Stevens kid from TRANSFORMERS is in it, right? So it can't be that bad!!

(Waiting for RedRocket's reply... lol)

Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 06:33 AM

As long as that Asian kid isn't in IV constantly saying "Doctuh Jones! Doctuh Jones!". I can't wait to see the new movie.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 06:12 PM

INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM star star star
(Nth Viewing)

Not as much action or humor as in RAIDERS and probably the weakest of the trilogy IMO. Still an enjoyable action flick compared to others.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 06:44 PM

Ive always enjoy temple of doom,more than the other two. All great films though.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/20/08 09:11 PM

INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE star star star 1/2
(Nth Viewing)

Again, my favorite of the trilogy. They went back to the roots of the original and brought back some of the original cast members. IMO, Alison Doody was the best "Jones girl" (with Karen Allen being a close second). Now, I'm just looking forward to INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/21/08 09:25 PM

THE KILLING OF JOHN LENNON star star star 1/2
(First Viewing)

A very insightful look at the man who murdered John Lennon for fame, Mark David Chapman. This film is told in a very similar fashion to TAXI DRIVER and I believe that also has something to do with my leave of enjoyment from it. However, I do think that they botched the assassination scene. A great film to keep your eye open for.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/23/08 04:23 AM

RESIDENT EVIL star star
(First Viewing)

I'm not a fan at all of zombie movies but I heard this was good so I'll give it a shot. I am a fan of Mila Jovovich but so far I'm unimpressed with the series.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/23/08 06:38 AM

RESIDENT EVIL: APOCALYPSE star star 1/2
(First Viewing)

More action and a better monster/villain to fight. Better than the first but still, based soley as an action/horror flick, these two have been pretty forgettable.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/23/08 07:14 PM

RESIDENT EVIL: EXTINCTION star star star
(First Viewing)

Most definitely the best of the trilogy. This film went back to the beginning in some ways and kind of had a MAD MAX feel to it. The action was a lot better (especially when Mila controlled things with her mind). Speaking of which, I thought the pairing of Mila Jovovich and Ali Larter was a nice touch. I've heard they may make a fourth but it's been nothing but rumors.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/23/08 10:34 PM

STREET FIGHTER star 1/2
(Second Viewing)

Another video game movie that sucked, shocker. Really the only video game movie that I loved was the original MORTAL KOMBAT. In this, the person who played Sagat was way too short (he should have been taller like in the game). Secondly, I'm glad they included all of the characters but quite a number of them were buried like Zangief, Dhalsim, and Blanka just to name a few. Too campy and not one good action/fight scene in it.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/24/08 06:06 AM

INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL star star star
(First Viewing)

Well, the predication came true. Brace yourselves people, INDIANA JONES IV is not up to par. It is easily IMO the worst of the franchise and this new film unfortunately didn't add to but rather took away 20+ years of great memories with this flop. The only two things I can compliment from this film were Cate Blanchett and Shia LaBeouf. Harrison Ford looked too tired at 65-years-old to be reprising his role as Dr. Jones. I felt he took his job too lightly this time around and wasn't concerned so much about his business. Granted, this movie will make a lot of money at the box office but that still doesn't mean it was great.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/24/08 03:04 PM

Why did you give it three stars if it was such a flop?
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/24/08 03:48 PM

It's still a decent film compared to others. It wasn't horrible on it's own but compared to the other Indy films it was
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/24/08 07:07 PM

HACKERS star star
(First Viewing)

A good look at hackers back in the early days of the Internet. I can only imagine what this film would look like today with the technology some 13 years after this film was made. One of Angelina Jolie's first films and it's her earliest work I've ever seen. Jonny Lee Miller was enjoyable as the film's main star and I wonder why I've haven't seen more of his work?
Posted By: chopper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/25/08 11:00 PM

Went to see indy tonight great film and harrison ford looks about 40 i hope i look that good when i am his age
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/26/08 08:26 PM

HOUSE OF THE DEAD star
(First Viewing)

I'm giving the Uwe Boll movies a chance since I'm kind of a sucker for a really bad film. This was it but it wasn't enjoyable bad like some grindhouse films. Too much video game images appeared in the film and the transitions between scenes was bad also.
Posted By: Don Andrew

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/27/08 12:44 AM

Quote:
THE BLUES BROTHERS **1/2
(First Viewing)

Meh. I don't understand why Jake and Elwood Blues are such "iconic cinema characters"? I didn't find them to be extremely impressive or memorable for that matter.


For once, goddamnit, elaborate. Please. Why is it so hard for you to find any type of substance in anything that you type? Honestly man, if you're going to even bother writing about a film, at least give some fucking insight instead of the same hackeneyed garbage. Holy shit man, why are they even worth watching if it's going to be the same shit from you;

"Meh. I liked that other flick he was in."
"Well, I thought the music was ok."
"Umm, I only saw this because x was in it and she's HAWWT."

I mean, yes, I totally realize that you definitely are not any type of scholar, but it's not even because I love The Blues Brothers, it's that I can justify the existence of that love and why it's at least good; you, at best, are bush league.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/27/08 02:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Don Andrew
it's not even because I love The Blues Brothers


It's sooo because you love The Blues Brothers grin tongue

"Let's boogie."
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/28/08 03:25 AM



John Carpenter's PRINCE OF DARKNESS (1987) - ***

Ever liked a movie, even though you didn't understand really what was happening a lot of the time?

I guess my biggest criticism against PRINCE OF DARKNESS is that for the first half of the picture, the narrative is moved only by tons and tons of dialogue exposition, a lot of which flies by rather quickly. At this rate, much like with Michael Mann's THE KEEP, I think I have an idea of the grand scheme of things, but I could be wrong for all I know.

2,000 years ago, the slime essence of Satan, aka Ole Scratch, aka Michael Bay, was captured in a canister by Jesus Christ, and kept locked away by a secret brotherhood within the Catholic Church. Just after a Priest (Donald Pleasance) inherits this devil gak, which now resides at an abandoned church in Los Angeles, this cylinder starts leaking and random weirdness occurs like fire ants crawling all over the television to worms sticking to windows, or my favorite, a half-moon orbiting above the sun. Pleasance consults a physics professor (Victor Wong) and his students to study this mysterious goo...

And right there is a cool thing about PRINCE OF DARKNESS. In every other movie where religion and supernatural collide, its always a church wanting science to strike out so that its priests can declare a divine miracle, or science wanting to demystify stigmata or whatever. With DARKNESS, you have a top religious guy discovering something that scares him shitless, and so he gets this top science guy to check into it, and it scares him shitless too. Science and Religion, both bodies of knowledge, are dumbfounded and fail at the feet of the literal existence that is elemental evil.

What I think I dig the most in general about PRINCE OF DARKNESS is that at this point in writer/composer/director John Carpenter's career, after getting his salad tossed around by studio politics on BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA, he decided to both go back to low budget basics, and screw with Hollywood on their nickel & dime. Yeah he'll give Universal what looks and sounds like a slasher jump scare movie, hell he gets Pleasance back from his own slasher jump scare classic HALLOWEEN, along with enough gory make-up and nasty gooey insects to fill up the genre quota. Meanwhile, he'll also make something technically more blasphemous at the Church in Rome than THE DA VINCI CODE and THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST combined. Ironically, unless I'm wrong, DARKNESS is popular in the very Catholic Spain.

Way to go Carp!

I did notice though in watching DARKNESS that it was probably the beginning of the end for Carpenter's creative prowess, considering how he effectively remade his own ASSAULT ON PRECINCT 13, except instead of zombie-like street gangs trying to storm a police station, its actual zombies and Alice Cooper laying siege to the church. The guy was practically starting to rip himself off.

DARKNESS is a solid B-horror movie in that while we've been through the tried and worn "stupid people" genre plot dynamics before, it’s got a lot of great neat little moments that rule. Take that bizarre shot when the zombie outside the church calls out the survivors this side of EVIL DEAD, yells "Pray for Death!" and then explodes into beetles. Then there is when the heroes, deprived of the usual weapons (fire-axe, guns) used to combat zombies, have to resort to using bricks to bash their skulls in, or kneeing women in the groin(!) before throwing them out the window. You never see either in such fare.

Now that's creative.

But the cake-icing for DARKNESS though is when the besieged people start having bits & pieces of the same creepy collective dream, a Tachyon pulse-produced video message this side of CLOVERFIELD from the future of 1999, which warns these people repeatedly that they have to stop Satan from resurrecting, and pulling his "daddy" the Anti-God from his inter-dimensional prison. Yet after the climax, when we finally watch the complete dream and finally see Satan emerge from the shadows, its bafflingly fun. Did these folks change the future, or is it a self-fulfilling prophecy in spite of their best efforts?

If anything, seeing Dennis Dun in DARKNESS reminds me of how Hollywood dropped the ball with him. The unofficial badass hero of Carpenter's BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA, and unless I'm mistaken, the only Asian-American Action Cinema hero during the 1980s, Dun has a charming presence, in spite of being an asshole when he told that one Chinese woman, "you almost could pass off as Asian." Yeah, you're expecting him to die, but he actually grows on you, especially when he's trapped in the closet. There is a great scene when you have the heroes dig through the wall all night to break him out, but when the zombies finally break down his door, Dun basically claws his way out within minutes in a frenzy of desperation.

In short, the best movie featuring a crucified pigeon ever made.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/28/08 04:06 AM

ALONE IN THE DARK star
(First Viewing)

An incredibly weak story, bad CGI, and Tara Reid as an anthropologist being as believable as Denise Richards as a research scientist in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH didn't make this film better than Uwe's previous effort, HOUSE OF THE DEAD. "Hopefully" he can only get better from here, right?
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/28/08 04:09 AM

RAMBO star star star
(Second Viewing)

Definitely one of the best action films of the year, along with IRON MAN of course. A lot more brutal and edged than previous RAMBO's. I've been hearing quite a few people say it was better than they expected and it was. It was an entertaining movie.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/28/08 04:14 AM

SEMI-PRO star star star
(Second Viewing)

Will Ferrell does it again with his comedic, golden-self. I wasn't the biggest fan of his last outing, BLADES OF GLORY, so it was good to see him bounce back with a very funny retro basketball story. André Benjamin continues to do some good work as an actor and Woody Harrelson gets down with the roundball again for the first time since 1992's WHITE MEN CAN'T JUMP. Finally, Will Arnett can attach his name to a good comedy grin
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/28/08 05:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
ALONE IN THE DARK star
(First Viewing)

An incredibly weak story, bad CGI, and Tara Reid as an anthropologist being as believable as Denise Richards as a research scientist in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH didn't make this film better than Uwe's previous effort, HOUSE OF THE DEAD. "Hopefully" he can only get better from here, right?


Nothing prepares you for BLOODRAYNE or DUNGEON SIEGE.

And apparently, POSTAL is just as Boll-trademark bad.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/28/08 04:47 PM

INDIANA JONES & THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL.


Took the kids to the flicks today to see it.

Great stuff,i think i enjoyed it more than the kids did grin
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/28/08 05:00 PM

The only thing i thought was wrong was the Alien storyline, didn't expect that..
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/28/08 05:20 PM

Im going to watch Sex And The City in 10 minutes with the girlfriend, wish me luck..
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/28/08 06:23 PM

BLOODRAYNE star 1/2
(Second Viewing)

I'm still left scratching my head at how Uwe Boll was able to assemble Sir Ben Kingsley, Michelle Rodriguez, Billy Zane, and Michael Madsen to jump aboard this sinking vessel. The fight scenes came off too choreographed and some of the killing was overdone in an outlandish and sometimes humorous way.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/28/08 07:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
INDIANA JONES & THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL.


Took the kids to the flicks today to see it.

Great stuff,i think i enjoyed it more than the kids did grin


My review is coming, but I enjoyed it too...maybe even more than LAST CRUSADE. Maybe.

Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
The only thing i thought was wrong was the Alien storyline, didn't expect that..


I thought it fitted fine with the 1950s, you know that decade of the Monster & Alien "B-Movies"....what I wasn't exactly a fan of was the convulted plotting of the aliens (or inter-dimensional aliens or whatever) to the Mayans, I mean leave that shit to the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN flicks.

If anything, the one edge that SKULL has over CRUSADE is that instead of fighting more NAzis out in the desert over a Judean-Christian artifact, SKULL tries something fresh with the new time period and pulp trash material...not all of it worked, but I enjoyed it.

What surprised me though I guess was Shia LeBeouf. Hated DISTURBIA and goddamn TRANSFORMERS, and fuck I, ROBOT, but he was fine in INDY IV, so maybe he's not at fault really for those crappy flicks, except only in deciding to do them.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/28/08 09:28 PM

BLOODRAYNE 2: DELIVERANCE star star
(First Viewing)

Wow, I'm speechless. Uwe Boll find it in himself to "seriously" direct a film without messing it up with his amateurish "tricks." It's almost as if he didn't direct the film himself, yet his name is attached. Also, I felt Natassia Malthe was a better BloodRayne than Kristina Loken. I also liked the western setting than in the previous film.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/29/08 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Im going to watch Sex And The City in 10 minutes with the girlfriend, wish me luck..

crazy

I managed to wangle out of this dubious pleasure......
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/29/08 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Im going to watch Sex And The City in 10 minutes with the girlfriend, wish me luck..

crazy

I managed to wangle out of this dubious pleasure......


It was actully good, i enjoyed, i slowley got into the seris since i met my girlfriend..
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/29/08 07:31 PM

IN THE NAME OF THE KING: A DUNGEON SIEGE TALE star 1/2
(Second Viewing)

Well, I survived my last Uwe Boll film but barely. This ran a little too long and was basically Uwe Boll's LORD OF THE RINGS flick. I'm still scratching my head at how he ensembles these casts? You'd think by now name actors (such as Jason Statham, Ray Liotta, Burt Reynolds, Matthew Lillard, Leelee Sobieski, John Rhys-Davies, Claire Forlani, and Kristanna Loken) would know better than to sign up for a Uwe Boll film.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/30/08 06:51 PM

THE EYE (2008) star
(First Viewing)

Another bad adaptation of an Asian horror film. Again, I gave it the benefit of the doubt but the "psychological" horror flicks just aren't my genre. I wanna see people get cut and slashed up! Blood and gore for me please. This has Jessica Alba in it and a lot of people will see it solely for her but do yourself the favor and avoid this on Tuesday!
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/30/08 11:02 PM

STRANGE DAYS star star star
(First Viewing)

A really underrated film that a friend of mine turned me onto. The film was made in 1995 but was suppose to take place in the future, December 30 & 31, 1999. The film stars Ralph Fiennes, an ex-cop who now deals with data-discs containing recorded memories and emotions (which are the new drug). It also stars Juliette Lewis, Angela Bassett, and Tom Sizemore. Definitely one of those sleeper picks that you can leave you more satisfied than you originally thought it would.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/31/08 02:13 AM

VINCE VAUGHN'S WILD WEST COMEDY SHOW star star 1/2
(First Viewing)

More of a documentary than actual comedy. Some jokes were in the film and it gave each of the four "up-and-coming" comedies an in depth look but I was rather displeased with the overall brush of the tour.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/31/08 07:20 AM



STREETS OF FIRE (1984) - ***

Talk about a movie I've been dreading to review.

The very underrated Walter Hill is one of my favorite filmmakers, whose shot some cool stuff from the Chuck Bronson fight flick HARD TIMES to the great western THE LONG RIDERS, including a darling of mine, the awesome THE WARRIORS. After the box-office success of 48 HRS., Hill was at his career peak and could make any movie he wanted, so he jammed together everything he liked, which included:

"custom cars, kissing in the rain, neon, trains in the night, high-speed pursuit, rumbles, rock stars, motorcycles, jokes in tough situations, leather jackets and questions of honor."

Thus was STREETS OF FIRE, Hill's would-be summer blockbuster, "A Rock & Roll Fable" made for the MTV Generation...and there was Fire alright, as the flick crashed and burned on opening weekend. Afterwards, Hill was just never the same, shooting only a solid gem here and there.

So on one hand, I would like to see some merit in a crippling effort like FIRE, and yet I've had a slight personal grudge for years against this unseen picture. You see, Universal had such high hopes for FIRE, they bolstered its already considerable advertising budget by totally cannibalizing the campaign funds of several smaller studio pictures, like Alex Cox's REPO MAN.

So if you want a chief reason why that cult classic was financially DOA before hitting theatres, blame FIRE.

But I must say, I actually sorta enjoyed STREETS OF FIRE, or at least the idea of it. Within the "Another Time, Another Place" of FIRE, the Hippies and Yuppies of the 1960s and 70s never happened, and the music and culture of the 1950s evolved right through the Reagan Decade. So yes, Studebakers drive under bright neon lights, women in skirts stroll down the sidewalk, and greasers gracing the pompadour haircut watch the latest music videos on TV.

If Hill used the comic book storytelling narrative for THE WARRIORS, then he tried the comic book visual narrative for FIRE. The electric opening concert, the best editing scheme of Hill's entire filmography, uses pulsating quick cuts to resemble the cognitive pastiche of imagery that we absorb from the connecting panels of a comic book page.

When the faceless bikers, masked by darknesss, sulk into the night club as Diane Lane is singing onstage, you just know that these phantoms are nothing but trouble. Then the gargoyle mug of their leader Willem Dafoe slowly fades into the light....It's such a creative groovy sequence, its unfortunate that most of the movie just isn't this cool.

After Dafoe kidnaps Lane, we cut right into a Hill's usual streamlined hard-knuckles plot: Lane's pal telegrams her Ex-juvenile delinquent/ Ex-soldier brother Michael Pare to come back home to town and rescue Lane, his ex-girlfriend. Like Michael Beck in THE WARRIORS, its easy to accuse Pare of wooden acting, but he's only your typical Hill hero: a tough guy that doesn't talk much, not necessarily always likeable, and looks like he can kick your ass.

How I know this? Because when he's alone at a cafe, and some punks walk-in...you know somebody is gonna get thrown through the plate-glass window, and it aint Pare.

I liked how he refuses to save Lane, but he pulls out an old Black & White photograph of her, and Hill dissolves into an effectively nostalgic flashback, or the hero's memory making that image come alive. You buy why Pare changes his mind, even if he charges $10,000 from her manager/beau (Rick Moranis) for the job. Anyway, Pare is pretty solid for the part, just too bad his career went direct to video.

Now the best thing about FIRE that I just totally dig is Amy Madigan, the tough sidekick. Apparently the role was originally written for a man, but Madigan so impressed Hill, he re-wrote the part for her. Now action figure women in such genre movies either work, or simply don't. It's a gimmick that the audience can easily reject, but I tell ya, Madigan sold it for me when she demanded another drink at a tavern, and knocked out the bartender Bill Paxton when he refused. Also, Madigan is married in real-life to Ed Harris, so that's a plus.

Then there is Moranis, who usually back in the 80s either played the nerd (LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS) or the punchline (GHOSTBUSTERS), but he's surprisingly fun as the wise-guy that whines and complains at the hero. He's an asshole, but admittedly he's the only smart person in this story, or at least the one with enough brains to pay others to risk life and limb to retrieve his meal ticket.

But Dafoe man...The only way I can describe Dafoe in FIRE is that, imagine if Charles Manson hadn't gone mad in obsession with The Beatles or "Helter Skelter," but instead with James Dean and wearing latex coveralls without shirts. Dafoe makes so much out as a fun psychotic villainous maniac out of so little given to him, I actually hate Hill for not giving him anymore scenes. Plus, I forgot how (even more) goddamn scary-looking the dude was back then.

In retrospect, I have tons of problems with STREETS OF FIRE. If the opening of FIRE was brilliant, and the overall 1st half is fun pulp action, then the movie just loses most of its momentum in the 2nd half when Pare and troupe return back home, as nothing really happens, or to use pretentious film criticism, the thin story can no longer piggyback on the film's aesthetics.

I really groaned when FIRE teases Pare and Lane possibly getting back together because despite him sharing some deep past feelings for her....that ship has definately sailed.

I mean, yeah Lane is drop-dead gorgeous and most of us men want to bed her, but she seems like a rather boring person. Moranis and Lane do make a better couple ultimately because they share something in common: Her singing career. Most men would probably rather be in Madigan's company, even as just a friend. Besides, she wouldn't force Pare to go see the SEX & THE CITY movie this weekend.

Also, Hill gives conflicting answers to whatever American racial segregation ever ended in this universe. While you have a black Cop (Richard Lawson) try to keep the peace with Dafoe and Pare, you then have Pare's group meet up with a Motown-like music act in the back of a bus, who're pulled over by the police and called a "gang of spades." Maybe its just too provocative of an interesting idea to simply throwaway in a picture like this.

Ah Screw it, I like this movie in spite of itself. Maybe I'm a sucker for flicks where a major violent brawl between bikers and civilians, each side armed to the teeth with bats, chains, knives, and guns, is eminent until its delegated to simply Pare and Dafoe. Maybe I mark at them dueling with sledgehammers(!), and maybe I just like that Moranis gets the girl for once.

But babe, if you don't dig it, I won't hold it against you.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/31/08 09:00 PM

ALIEN VS. PREDATOR star star
(Second Viewing)

As usual the studio f*cks up two perfectly good properties and its fans at the same time by dolling out this PG-13 sh*t to "appeal to a greater audeince". Well, it looked like it didn't work. Also, one of the Predator's in this film looked like he was on steroids (think of the way Jason Vorhees looked in JASON X). I'm hoping the sequel will be better with more blood and gore but I doubt it (I've heard nothing but bad things about it).
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/31/08 09:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
ALIEN VS. PREDATOR star star
(Second Viewing)

As usual the studio f*cks up two perfectly good properties and its fans at the same time by dolling out this PG-13 sh*t to "appeal to a greater audeince". Well, it looked like it didn't work. Also, one of the Predator's in this film looked like he was on steroids (think of the way Jason Vorhees looked in JASON X). I'm hoping the sequel will be better with more blood and gore but I doubt it (I've heard nothing but bad things about it).


Yeah, I'm with you dude....though I actually thought worse of it.

Paul W.S. Anderson can go FUCK himself.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 12:44 AM

I'm watching a classic right now. It's been a while since I've seen it and I'm really enjoying it. smile

I'll give you a hint and you tell me what movie it is.

"A boy's best friend is his mother." wink

TIS
Posted By: Beth E

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 01:06 AM

That would be "Psycho". smile

I'm watching a ballgame and Law and Order, but did notice that was on.

I also noticed your boy Rocky was on earlier as well.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 01:12 AM

And that would be "Rocky V" i on the other channel. wink They show the Rocky movies a lot so I don't feel too torn. grin


Poor Anthony Perkins. He really is good but he just never overcame Norman Bates hu? Who's the detective Beth, do you know?


TIS
Posted By: Beth E

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 01:18 AM

No, I don't know who the detective is.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 06:48 AM

ALIENS VS PREDATOR: REQUIEM star 1/2
(First Viewing)

Was lighting too big of a cost or what? Goodnight this movie was dark and really ruined it because half of the time you couldn't see what was going on. A weaker film than the original, if that was possible because I know a lot of people had problems after the first one. I wonder how they feel now?
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 10:25 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Who's the detective Beth, do you know?


That was Martin Balsam.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 01:11 PM

JUMPER star star star
(Second Viewing)

Director Doug Liman (THE BOURNE IDENTITY and MR. & MRS. SMITH) adds another enjoyable action flick to his resume. I enjoyed Samuel L. as usual but was probably impressed the most with Rachel Bilson. I've never really seen THE O.C. so I was looking forward to this to see her acting abilities and she didn't disappoint. I also am really happy that they left room for a sequel or even trilogy (hopefully they will do so because I'd love to see more). Finally, I am so jealous of Hayden Christensen for now hooking up onscreen with Natalie Portman and Rachel Bilson blush
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 02:32 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Who's the detective Beth, do you know?


That was Martin Balsam.


I knew you'd know SC!! wink I want to say he was on a tv show in the 60's or 70's but can't think of which one????? Am I right? Perhaps a comedy? His name is more familiar to me than his face. confused


TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette (about Martin Balsam)
I want to say he was on a tv show in the 60's or 70's but can't think of which one????? Am I right? Perhaps a comedy? His name is more familiar to me than his face.


I don't remember him from any tv shows. He was a pretty good actor and played decent roles in many movies (among them "Hombre", "The Bedford Incident", "Breakfast at Tiffany's" and "All the President's Men").
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 02:59 PM

I just re-watched "Angels in the Outfield" (1951) - the original version - and was reminded that its a charming movie (MUCH better than the Disney remake).

The movie is somewhat dated (but that's part of its charm) and the characters have depth that is sorely missing in many more recent movies.

Its a little sappy, but its a lot of fun.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 03:55 PM

"Fields of Dreams" was on TV last night, this film gets better every time i watch it..
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
"Fields of Dreams" was on TV last night, this film gets better every time i watch it..


One of these days I have to watch it. I heard a lot of good things about it. wink
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 04:05 PM

if i remember, isn't that one of your fav films..
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 04:07 PM

I was joking with that response. "Field of Dreams" is my all-time favorite movie.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
I just re-watched "Angels in the Outfield" (1951) - the original version - and was reminded that its a charming movie (MUCH better than the Disney remake).

The movie is somewhat dated (but that's part of its charm) and the characters have depth that is sorely missing in many more recent movies.

Its a little sappy, but its a lot of fun.


I've only seen the Disney remake. Is there alot of differences between the two?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 07:28 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
I was joking with that response. "Field of Dreams" is my all-time favorite movie.


Yes it is, and to think Costner's grown-up-hippie wife is Amy Madigan. Yeah, she's almost a completely different actress in STREETS OF FIRE.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
Originally Posted By: SC
I just re-watched "Angels in the Outfield" (1951) - the original version - and was reminded that its a charming movie (MUCH better than the Disney remake).

The movie is somewhat dated (but that's part of its charm) and the characters have depth that is sorely missing in many more recent movies.

Its a little sappy, but its a lot of fun.


I've only seen the Disney remake. Is there alot of differences between the two?


I believe the original involved the Pittsburgh Pirates, because the Los Angeles/California/Anaheim/Los Angeles of Anaheim* Angels didn't become a franchise until the 60s.

*="Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim"....man that's so damn stupid. LAAA?
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/01/08 11:44 PM

I saw State of Grace the other night (cost me 50 cents for the VHS at a garage sale) and I have to say what a piece of crap.

They took some Westies stories and fucked them up Hollywood style. It's not realistic which I wouldn't mind if it was a good movie.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/02/08 12:09 AM

I'm currently watching the 1982 versionof John Carpenter's "The Thing." I do enjoy this movie. Kind of creepy, but very good. smile



TIS
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/02/08 12:11 AM

It's great TIS. I didn't think so the first time but after a second viewing I became a fan. I think it's loads better than the original 50's version, but that's just me.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/02/08 01:51 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I'm currently watching the 1982 versionof John Carpenter's "The Thing." I do enjoy this movie. Kind of creepy, but very good. smile



TIS


Carpenter at the peak of his Hollywood career...and the beginning of the end for him.

At least he hit a masterpiece homerun when given his shot.

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
It's great TIS. I didn't think so the first time but after a second viewing I became a fan. I think it's loads better than the original 50's version, but that's just me.


Took ya long enough, eh? Now go back to ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK. grin
Posted By: Santino Brasi

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/02/08 01:52 AM

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THE BLUES BROTHERS star star 1/2
(First Viewing)

Meh. I don't understand why Jake and Elwood Blues are such "iconic cinema characters"? I didn't find them to be extremely impressive or memorable for that matter.


but how could you not love John Belushi, who was a Chippendale dancer earlier in life

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/02/08 02:00 AM

Speaking of Carpenter, check out what the great Martin Scorsese wrote of ole Carp, which I found on the DirectTV website:

They Live
Reviewed by Martin Scorsese

John Carpenter is a filmmaker who is unashamed to stay within the genres he loves (horror and science fiction) and who practices his trade like a master craftsman. His pictures always have a handmade quality—every cut, every move, every choice of framing and camera movement, not to mention every note of music (he composes his own scores) feels like it has been composed or placed by the filmmaker himself. His sense of composition (nearly all of his pictures are shot in 'Scope) is quite exacting and precise, and his control of movement inside and outside the frame can be hair-raising.

There are so many moments in his films that are absolutely startling—the murder of the little girl with the ice-cream cone in Assault on Precinct 13; the appearances of Michael Myers on the very edge of the frame in Halloween; the appearances of the creature in his truly terrifying remake of The Thing. And the mood of his pictures is so carefully crafted and sustained. I'm a great admirer of The Fog, the mood of it, the sense of mystery. But I also love They Live, in which an alien invasion of America is uncovered by people living on the ragged edge of society in Los Angeles. This movie was Carpenter's commentary on what he saw as the excesses of the Reagan era, and the movie shares many qualities with pictures made during the Depression, such as Heroes for Sale and Wild Boys of the Road.

It's lyrical and tough at the same time, with a strong sense of community among the displaced people living in makeshift homes on the outskirts of L.A. (interestingly, the picture dovetails with Mel Brooks' comedy Life Stinks, made a couple of years later), and the mood is unusually sad and bitter. The science-fiction element reveals itself as the story goes on: The "beautiful people" on TV and walking down Rodeo Drive are actually aliens, transmitting subliminal messages to the hypnotized masses, their true images visible through special glasses that are being handed out at a mission for the poor.

I like the humor of the picture, the hilariously long fight scene between "Rowdy" Roddy Piper and Keith David, and the sense of outrage. They Live is one of the best films of a fine American director.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/02/08 02:15 AM

I forgot about "They Live". I like that movie too. smile The whole concept was interesting, and yes, it was one of the longest, dragged out fight scenes (what about 10 minutes straight?). Fun, different and just plain entertaining.




TIS
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/02/08 02:25 AM

THIS IS SPINAL TAP star star
(First Viewing)

Call me disappointed just because I know this film has such a big following. I didn't find it at all funny really and while the "documentary" looked legit, I really don't understand why it's so popular? BORAT was a lot better IMO.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/02/08 03:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
THIS IS SPINAL TAP star star
(First Viewing)

Call me disappointed just because I know this film has such a big following. I didn't find it at all funny really and while the "documentary" looked legit, I really don't understand why it's so popular? BORAT was a lot better IMO.


Wow, you just made an enemy out of Chris Jericho.

You happy?
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/02/08 05:00 AM

MAMA'S BOY star 1/2
(First Viewing)

Wow Jon Heder's career has really taken a nosedive since the surprisingly well received NAPOLEON DYNAMITE. I like the underappreciated SCHOOL FOR SCOUNDRELS, but then he's done THE BENCHWARMERS, the underperforming BLADES OF GLORY and now MAMA'S BOY. Even with a cast of Jon Heder, Diane Keaton, Jeff Daniels, and Anna Farris can't save this poorly written script.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/02/08 07:45 PM

KINGDOM OF HEAVEN star star star
(Third Viewing)

Well, third time was a charm for this film as well. I saw the theatrical cut twice (once in theaters and the other on DVD). It's been a while since I'd seen this and decided to give the Director's Cut a chance. It has about 50 minutes of added material but I thought it made the film a lot better and enjoyable (even longer). It wasn't as choppy, somethings made clearer sense, and some minor storylines were brought to light that made the film more powerfuly in parts). If you liked this film, I'd recommend watching the Director's Cut.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/03/08 06:10 PM

THE OTHER BOLEYN GIRL star star star
(First Viewing)

A great telling of King Henry's intense desire to have a male heir and the lengths he would go to to secure that. I was somewhat familiar with the story but not intimately. This gave a lot more insight into the politics and lack of religious value given these life changing decisions (even though God is constantly thrown around the film for reasoning). However, what I loved most about this piece was Natalie Portman playing a villain. I've never seen her do it before and I must say I was throughly pleased. I hope she does it again soon as it's a nice change of pace for her.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/03/08 06:51 PM



MIRACLE MILE (1988) - ***1/2

Imagine you're a guy (Anthony Edwards) that while in the heart of Los Angeles you happen to meet the perfect girl (Mare Winningham). She doesn't just share your hobbies, but she also is mutually attracted to you. I'm going to screw your eyes blue! You have a wonderful day together, and you both make plans for a date at midnight, meeting at the "Miracle Mile" neighborhood coffee shop where she works. But the power goes out at your joint, so you accidentally oversleep. You rush down there to find that she's since long gone home hours ago, and her co-workers think you're an asshole for standing her up.

A lousy night gets worse when outside, you answer the ringing payphone, and its from a frantic guy working at a missile silo out in North Dakota who was trying to call his dad. He says that America has just launched a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the enemy. Our nuclear arsenal will be launched in 50 minutes, and the "blowback" against us in 70 minutes. He's cut off by machine gun fire, and a new voice, threatening and ominous, tells you to "forget everything you just heard and go back to sleep."

Was he simply jerking you around, or do you really only have a hour left before the apocalypse?

A better question is......what would you do?

It was that great premise of a dramatic quandary that made Steve De Jarnatt's screenplay for MIRACLE MILE so admired in Hollywood...and De Jarnatt's answer to that last question was why nobody would produce it. It was like everyone wanted MILE to be MILE, without being what made itself MILE in the first place. After a decade of development hell as one of the best-unfilmed scripts around, De Jarnatt said screw it. He bought MILE back from Warner Bros., and Hemdale Film let the dude shoot it himself with a B-movie budget, like they did previously with James Cameron and Oliver Stone for THE TERMINATOR and PLATOON.

If anything, DeJarnatt's MIRACLE MILE is really three different movies, of which MILE skips between without mostly missing a step.

The first 30 minutes is like a very lightweight romantic comedy, what with the couple walking in the park, him buying the freedom of some lobsters from a restaurant, her wacky parents who haven't spoken to each other in 15 years, that sort of fluff. In fact, you begin wondering if you rented the wrong movie. Really, Edwards and Winningham have great chemistry that makes not just the "love at first sight" shtick credible, but arguably make rest of the movie work as well.

Because once the phone call happens, MILE gets deadly serious as a real-time thriller, and damn effective at that. MILE subscribes to my theory that a good suspense movie is one where the narrative grabs your throat once the plot kicks in, and squeezes tighter as the clock winds down to the deadline, which by then you're grasping for air.

You feel this with Edwards after he gets the call, and I'm reminded of how tremendously underrated Edwards is. Yeah people seem to only remember him for TOP GUN and ER, but if every other actor would play a nervous breakdown by shouting and jumping around like a monkey, Edwards does it like any one of us would do if we became an unwilling prophet of doom: your brain would practically shut down as we get nervous, upset, and confused as what to do next, along with a million other things rushing through your mind at once. Then he has a moment of clarity:

Go find her.

Seriously, after seeing this and last year's ZODIAC, Hollywood or some indie filmmakers have to hire Edwards out more.

It's perhaps best that such a story be told with a miniscule approach instead. If this was a major studio project, MILE easily could have faded into being a series of major set pieces strung together with thin storytelling and characterization this side of THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW, and we wouldn't give a shit. Instead, DeJarnatt's forced-focus on the people themselves instead of special effects or the action actually make us care about the fate of Winningham, Edwards, and everyone else. Or to put it another way, its a pretty epic small story.

Take when Edwards carjacks Mykelti Williamson at gunpoint so he could drive him to Winningham's apartment. Turns out Williamson has some stolen electronics in his trunk, and when cops confront them at a gas station, he kills them to escape some jail time. Now you want to hate him for what he does, but when Edwards tells Williamson of the "news"...the guy then demands to go find his sister before they pick up Winningham.

You feel for him, and when he does ditch Edwards, you can't really blame the guy. I mean compare that with the unseen "government VIPs" supposedly behind green lighting World War 3, who apparently are already out of the Western Hemisphere, leaving the rest of us to enjoy their radiation bath.

Now what I really dig about MILE is I guess what I would the call its "third" movie, and that's just the randomness that occurs within the story. Edwards throws out a cigarette of his, which a bird swoops up...later we cut to its nest, which has become a fireball and causes the power outage. He accidentally backs up into a palm tree, and rats spill out (which they've been known to do). Winningham's parents reconcile and try to enjoy perhaps their last day together...and they go back to squabbling with each other. Two Beverly Hills elite women storm a skyscraper with semi-automatics. During the riot, when everyone is looting or killing each other, a couple is humping out in front of a store.

Its not stop-dead "comedy" moments, but just the funny weird shit you just happen to run into at the dead of night this side of AFTER HOURS.

This includes my favorite sequence in the movie, where Edwards is looking for a pilot to fly the helicopter out of town, and he runs into a gym. In a terrific tracking shot by DeJarnatt, you see these muscle men and women pumping iron, with imagery all over the place of peak human physicality...and you realize that within a few minutes, all their hard work will be for nothing.

With the climax, Edwards' original news of Armageddon has spread throughout the city, causing mass hysteria and violent rioting with disturbing shades of what will really happen within L.A. in the Riots of 1992. Yet when we come to the ending, probably the biggest objection Hollywood always had with the script, its really the perfect ending...or at least as perfect as a story mixing romance with nuclear war can be. I mean, this aint the political morality play THE DAY AFTER or the prozac-friendly TESTAMENT.

Yeah I can criticize of sorts how DeJarnatt's directing doesn't equal his writing (and in fact, DeJarnatt hasn't directed a movie since then), but MIRACLE MILE is a pretty cool idea for a movie, that he shot as a pretty good little movie that was the CLOVERFIELD of sorts for its day, but most of all sticks with the right conclusion.

It's a gutsy finale for a gutsy film.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/03/08 09:06 PM

HELLBOY star star 1/2
(Third Viewing)

More enjoyable after a third watch but I'm still not the biggest Hellboy fan. I also think Ron Pearlman was a good choice to play the character because I don't like either of them: arrogant, cocky, tries to act tougher than he really is. I only watched this because a friend of mine claims he's going to drag me to see number 2. Let's pray alcohol can make the experience more enjoyable in theaters!
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/03/08 11:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
THIS IS SPINAL TAP star star
(First Viewing)

Call me disappointed just because I know this film has such a big following. I didn't find it at all funny really and while the "documentary" looked legit, I really don't understand why it's so popular? BORAT was a lot better IMO.


Lick My Love Pump!

I find the reverse to be true. Borat wasn't great at all, but Spinal Tap is.

Do you play guitar? I do. I don't know if that helps understand some of the jokes or not. "This one goes to 11" etc.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/04/08 12:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
THIS IS SPINAL TAP star star
(First Viewing)

Call me disappointed just because I know this film has such a big following. I didn't find it at all funny really and while the "documentary" looked legit, I really don't understand why it's so popular? BORAT was a lot better IMO.


Lick My Love Pump!

I find the reverse to be true. Borat wasn't great at all, but Spinal Tap is.

Do you play guitar? I do. I don't know if that helps understand some of the jokes or not. "This one goes to 11" etc.


I think being a rock fan it helps, but you don't for a joke like "Stonehenge." grin
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/04/08 05:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
THIS IS SPINAL TAP star star
(First Viewing)

Call me disappointed just because I know this film has such a big following. I didn't find it at all funny really and while the "documentary" looked legit, I really don't understand why it's so popular? BORAT was a lot better IMO.


Lick My Love Pump!

I find the reverse to be true. Borat wasn't great at all, but Spinal Tap is.

Do you play guitar? I do. I don't know if that helps understand some of the jokes or not. "This one goes to 11" etc.


No I don't play
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/04/08 01:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: Longneck
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
THIS IS SPINAL TAP star star
(First Viewing)

Call me disappointed just because I know this film has such a big following. I didn't find it at all funny really and while the "documentary" looked legit, I really don't understand why it's so popular? BORAT was a lot better IMO.


Lick My Love Pump!

I find the reverse to be true. Borat wasn't great at all, but Spinal Tap is.

Do you play guitar? I do. I don't know if that helps understand some of the jokes or not. "This one goes to 11" etc.


No I don't play


So you not a PLAYAH?

Figures. grin
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/04/08 03:57 PM



THE REPLACEMENTS (2000) - **1/2

Making fun of Keanu Reeves' acting skills, or the lack of them, is as old hat as mocking George W. Bush's dumbness, Bubba Clinton the whoremonger, and O.J. Simpson's murders. Thing is, I'm going to disagree and say that he isn't a bad actor.

No I'm not saying that he's good per say, since I haven't forgotten BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA. But the guy seems competent as a presence in certain roles, which usually seem to be for action slammers and chick flicks, and since THE REPLACEMENTS is sort of a mix of both, he's workable here. Besides, the dude cut a big chunk out of his salary to get Gene Hackman booked for this flick, which apparently he did as well for Al Pacino with THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, so that's cool of him.

The players of a professional American Football league goes on strike during the middle of the season, and team owners replace the field ranks with "replacement" players. The Washington Sentinels wants former head coach Hackman to coach these scabs...and he agrees only if he coaches the players he wants.

If you haven't guessed it already, THE REPLACEMENTS is basically the NFL version of MAJOR LEAGUE, where has-beens and never-beens team up, blue collar misfits making use of their one real chance at glory, jam their thumbs in the eyes of the rich snobs.... and hilarity ensues.

So yeah you have the goofy gimmick players from the speedy convenient store working wide receiver (Orlando Jones), the psychotic linebacker that was previously a SWAT guy (future IRON MAN director Jon Favreau), the Hip-Hop bodyguards-turned-Offensive Linemen, the foul mouth Welsh kicker (Rhys Ifans) and a former college quarterback star (Reeves) who now scraps barnacles off boats.

Yet while REPLACEMENTS constructs the MAJOR LEAGUE blueprints to a T, it simply lacks the magic.

I think the immediate problem is that with the villains being the striking players, I just don't buy it. NFL players don't have guaranteed contracts, and only thing they're assured is their signing bonuses. Hell, the NFL players union is notoriously patsy to the NFL owners, and in fact their last strike was back in 1987, which not only was a spectacular failure, but also was the basis for this movie, for Head Coach Joe Gibbs of the Washington Redskins not only went 3-0 in those "replacement" games, but won the Super Bowl that same season.

My point is, sports fans would be more likely to buy pro baseball or basketball players, who have secured payments whatever they suck or not, being the baddies.

Hell, a better gang of bad guys would have been the New York Knicks. The NBA's highest payroll (about $130 million) and owner of the league's worst record, imagine the outcry from Manhattan if those expensive bums went into the picket lines. Too bad they fired their sexual harassing and fantastically awful Head Coach/General Manager Isiah Thomas. He would have been great as the top evil.

Anyway, do you really see NFL stars like Tom Brady and Brian Urlacher physically protesting stadiums in the flesh? I don't. The same when in THE REPLACEMENTS, the striking Washington players confront the title characters in a bar, and a brawl ensues. If anything, I would imagine it more likely that such pampered guys hire thugs to beat these scabs out of commission, or risk a serious lawsuit.

Then there is my problem with REPLACEMENTS using fake teams instead of real NFL clubs. Either Warner Bros. were too cheap to buy the license, or NFL refused to sell, but after several games when the people of Washington D.C. fully get behind these replacements...something about it just doesn't work for me. There is just something about using real teams that would make that whole fan-franchise connection a lot more credible.

I mean, look at MAJOR LEAGUE with the Cleveland Indians, who were what, basement dwellers for decades, and the city was in decay. But once that team-not-supposed-to-win actually start to win, the fans come back, and the area is revitalized with joy and optimism. I mean, the New Orleans Saints' success in the 2007 season didn't fix all the problems still lingering in that city after Katrina, but gave them something to be excited about.

That said, I'm not saying THE REPLACEMENTS is a bad movie. I laughed at the cheerleaders recruited from the local strip club, Ifans smoking a cigarette out in the field, Favreau beating the hell out of Reeves, and Jones early in the movie running full-sprint after a customer, just to retrieve a shoplifted Twinkie.

The romance subplot between Reeves and the head cheerleader didn't waste my time, though I groaned when Reeves goes all Emo when the striking Washington star Quarterback tries to make a play for her. Whatever.

I won't recommend this movie for you to check out, but if you happen to catch it on television while on vacation, suffering from a hangover, or in prison, you might find yourself watching a term which I created for Taylor Hackford's RAY.....a well-made average movie.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/04/08 08:23 PM

I like The Replacements. It's a chick flick with sports thrown in so that men can't completely object to it on date night.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/04/08 09:28 PM

THREE AMIGOS star star
(First Viewing)

A great cast with Steve Martin, Martin Short, Chevy Chase, Phil Hartman, Jon Lovitz, and Joe Mantegna. The beginning of the film really captured my interest but by act three I was ready for it to be over. Not a lot of laughs were spread throughout the film.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/05/08 04:19 PM

PRINCE OF THE CITY (1981) ****

Okay, Ronnie. Let me know what you think.

There once was a kingdom ruled over by a fair and righteous king. One day, an evil witch descended upon the well from which the people drank, and poisoned the water. The very next day everyone but the righteous king drank the poisoned water. And they all went insane. All but the king that is. For several days after, the people wondered aloud, "What happened to our king," they shouted in the streets, "Has he gone insane?" So the king went and drank from the poisoned water, and everything was well again.

That is the story Al Pacino's girlfriend tells him late in SERPICO, Sidney Lumet's celebrated 1973 true-life tale about police corruption and one's man's obstinate stand against it. Apart from Pacino's performance as Frank Serpico, that film was a compromised moral drama, thrown haphazardly together to fit a commercial running time. The success of DOG DAY AFTERNOON (1975) and NETWORK (1976) then allowed Lumet to make PRINCE OF THE CITY, unquestionably his greatest work, and worthy of the story of the king. As a piece of narrative it ignores all the established rules: There are no acts (first, second or third). There are no heroes, and no villains. There are no gun battles or showdowns. This, for its entire three hour running time, is an account of a cop who decides to blow the whistle on corruption, and the legal repercussions that ensue. Unlike Serpico, Det. Daniel Ciello (Treat Williams) is no saint. He does what, in his view, needs to be done. And given the nature of power, a lot more. On his own accord, he heads to the Chase commission, where he decides to "do the right thing", and confess. His one condition? He won't rat on his partners. He knows them to be good men. We see them at his luxurious two-story house. They are cordial, pleasant, brotherly. When he states his condition to the government lawyers, he says, "I sleep with my wife. But I live with my partners."

Except the forces that be don't see things the way he does. Ciello and his partners are the Special Investigative Unit for Narcotics, the "Princes of the city". They have citywide jurisdiction and are virtually unsupervised. When they make a bust they A) Keep the drug dealer's money. B) Sell the drug dealer his freedom. Or C) Arrest him and take his money. They have reasons too. You see, a drug dealer without money would never be able to buy another cop, a DA or a judge. And if they don't have enough evidence to convict anyway, they may as well have the money. This group of cops, as they have no doubt explained to themselves, tens if not hundreds of times, have a moral right to scam the dealers. They have a moral imperative to keep their junkie stoolies (snitches) supplied with Heroin. Yes they do this for the information, but also because, "a junkie will break your heart." The practice of giving Heroin, according to the government lawyers, is exactly the same as dealing. Legally, they are as culpable as drug dealers. And the moral haze thickens.

No one joins the police force to become a bad guy. That is why Lumet, whose films are basically about the subjectivity of right and wrong, is fascinated with cops. They are not gangsters, who, as depicted in Scorsese's GOODFELLAS, are more about the money and "the life" than a mythical code of honor. For cops (even those who beat protestors or torture prisoners around the world) there has been, in most cases, a point where they justified their actions. In PRINCE OF THE CITY, Lumet affords all his characters, including the tens of government lawyers, an unfeigned authenticity that makes every scene in the film riveting. For every odious act performed against, or by a cop (or even a lawyer), there's an underlying moral position. The moral complexity of Lumet's best work lies in the assumption that pure evil does not exist.

What sets PRINCE OF THE CITY apart (and what earns it comparisons to the films of Martin Scorsese) is the unusual strength of its characters. Lumet, who co-wrote the screenplay, something he does not do often, employs a strangely effective technique. Instead of a narration, there are regular grim stills of the ID Cards of the characters involved accompanied by quotations such as "nobody cares about you but your partners", and "I'll be telling lies for the rest of my life". The whole film then takes a feel of a postmortem documentary. The stills are there because the characters involved, probably for calamitous reasons, need to be identified. The quotations are the leads character's regrets. And as Ciello, Treat Williams gives a forceful performance that requires him to be in every scene. His character's quest for absolution closely resembles that of Charlie in Scorsese's MEAN STREETS. Why did this successful "Prince of the City" decide to voluntarily confess his trespasses, throwing all his riches away? Maybe the sight of starved junkie, shivering in abandoned warehouse, begging him for drugs didn't seem like much of a kingdom.

In my opinion, this is the second best cop movie ever---after THE FRENCH CONNECTION. And I almost forgot, if you think that Lenny Briscoe was Jerry Orbach's best cop role, think again.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/05/08 06:51 PM

KATT WILLIAMS LIVE star star
(First Viewing)

Not a bad show but disappointing that the show wasn't as funny throughout. I'm really only familiar with Katt William's work in FRIDAY AFTER NEXT but was excited to see this because he is a funny individual. I might watch his AMERICAN HUSTLE MOVIE next if I can get a hold of it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/09/08 08:55 PM



COMA (1978) - ***1/2

Everyone knows Michael Crichton for writing sci-fi thrillers from THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN to JURASSIC PARK, but people forget that once upon a time ago, he actually was a pretty decent filmmaker. His career directorial highlights sums up to the classic robots-go-killer-haywire WESTWORLD, the really fun heist flick THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY, and this one.

What's really odd is that you have a Harvard Medical School graduate in Crichton adapting and shooting COMA, a best-selling novel that arguably invented the "medical thriller" literary genre, which was written by another Ivy League doctor-turned-author in Robin Cook. Unless I'm mistaken, I doubt anything like this has happened in Hollywood before or since.

Anyway, with COMA you have a woman goes for a routine clinical abortion but ends up in a vegetative "coma" state. Her surgical resident friend, the beautilful Genevieve Bujold, finds out that there has been ten random unexplained comas (including a Tom Selleck cameo) occuring within the same Boston hospital in the past year, and discovers that they all have only one thing in common: They all happened in the same operating room. Nobody believes her, and on top of that, people are trying to kill her too.

If anything, Crichton is probably perfect for the material because for a movie set around a hospital, the guy sure knows his way around them, and the people who work there. Much like his later TV series ER, you have workers who throw around medical jargon that you the audience may not necessarily understand, but by watching them, you have a clear idea of what they're talking about. You have hospital politics where egos and ambitions clash brutally with truth and responsbility, you get the idea.

I enjoyed the scene when Bijold is asking Rip Torn the chief anesthesiologist for his files about the Coma patients, and forgetting Torn as one of the movie's villains, you sorta buy why Torn gives one of the more polite "screw you" movie rants I've seen in awhile. People generally don't like to be crticized at their own expertize.

What I really like is that, if my mother the former medical nurse is to be believed (and I have no reason to doubt her), COMA features two of the creepiest moments that can happen while working at a hospital:

(1) Walking all alone at the dead of night in the deadly silent hospital halls, hearing only your footsteps....then hearing other steps right behind you.
(2) Getting locked in the morgue, and the lights turned off.

That morgue scene in COMA is rather brilliant because the situation is already tense because the murdering henchman is chasing Bujold throughout the building, but on top of that, she's hiding among bodies, wrapped in plastic, and this piles on the suspense because lets admit it, that's probably one of the last places most of us would want to be, even if we're running for our lives.

What's interesting about COMA is the whole gender politics about it. For one, COMA was shot during the height of the "women's liberation" movement in the 70s, and Bujold is simpy a gal who wants to be taken seriously. When her friend dies, her co-workers expect her to go hysterical and emotional, but when she doesn't, they call her "cold." Let's admit it, there is a gender-bias against women in general regarding how they should feel. I did laugh when she told her hubby Michael Douglas to go get his own damn beer from the fridge. But then Crichton has a cheap shot up her skirt, and more than one (very nice) Bujold breast shot. confused

Quite frankly, I just don't get it.

Then there is her boyfriend, producer/co-star Douglas. He's the conservative and cautious of the pair, and really plays the "wife" role we see in every other thriller of this sort. It's Bujold, not him, who breaks into the ominous Jefferson Institute, and hides in the rafters high above the movie's most memorable visual, the infamous "floating" coma patients.

People will probably complain that about the ending, with Douglas racing to save Bujold from a coma-inducing surgery, of how its once again the man coming to rescue the damsel, and I would argue instead that he finally Man Up, and right on time. Good for you.

If anything, my only serious complaint against COMA is this whole horribly cheesy montage, where Douglas and Bujold away for the weekend, and you have them running down a beach, visit a small town, make love by a fireplace....is this a movie or a bad condom commercial?

That said, there is a cool if weird scene when Bujold oversees the autopsy of her pal, including the deli-like slicing of her brain. I'm reminded of the anecdote about Elvis Presley watching his friend's embalming, but like the King, she would do anything for a buddy, right? Plus, we see Ed Harris' film acting debut, back when he still had hair! :thumbsup:

Overall, Crichton directed a really good runner full of suspense and thrills, maybe his best, because how many other movies can make us perk up by the mere sound of an electrocardiogram? Too bad the guy's moviemaking career ended in the 1980s (why? One word: RUNAWAY) but while it lasted, he was good.

Plus, COMA was a rare film that had a great social impact, because both book and movie apparently caused a 60%(!) drop in organ donation to American hospitals.

Thanks alot Crichton and Cook!
Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/10/08 04:19 PM

I just saw "The Number 23" I like Jim Carrey in serious roles. A lot of people didn't like this movie, But I found it entertaining. It is a kind of rip off of about 10 movies, But definitely enjoyable.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/10/08 04:59 PM

i agree good film..
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/11/08 06:36 AM




DIE HARD 2: DIE HARDER (1990) - ***

The terrific internet film critic The Outlaw Vern made an astute observation some years back of how while Bond uses gadgets, governmental-training, and aristocratic snobbery to save the day, Detective John McClane really is one of us, the "little people" of blue collar U.S.A. because he's a working class guy who uses his scant police knowledge to improvise his way out of surefire deathtraps and try to thwart the enemies.

Look at DIE HARD 2: DIE HARDER, where he is trying to save a doomed airplane, he tears some rags, wrap them around some broken pipes, light them up with his cigarette lighter, and bang.....torches so the plane can use it as a ground visual reference. Better yet, when brawling with a henchman, McClane uses an icicle to stab him to death. Plus, he's an incredibly tough Irish-American brave (or stupid, your call) guy who's willing to jump from a helicopter onto the wing of an airliner on take-off, and then take a nasty bump off it this side of Mick Foley.

The DIE HARD movies are a lot like the DIRTY HARRY movies, the 007 franchise, and Donald Westlake's PARKER books in that you know what to expect in each installment: If Harry Callahan is always under suspension, James Bond always the man-whore, Parker's well-laid schemes always problematic in the execution, then Bruce Willis' McClane is always the wrong man at the wrong place at the wrong time.

You have terrorists, whatever Euro trash, mercenaries or hackers, who lay out a grand scheme and 3-D thinking to outsmart and dominate the hapless authorities, and plan their operation upon their predictable 2-D thinking this side of Khan. They use deception to reveal their true motives, which is revealed in a big plot twist, but by then the underestimated McClane uses his wits and bullets to even out the odds for the good guys. And of course, he always gets the shit beaten out of him.

After the runaway blockbuster success of the original masterpiece DIE HARD, Fox quickly fast-tracked this sequel and as a result, director John McTiernan and Director of Photography Jan De Bont were replaced by Finnish import Renny Harlin and Oliver Wood. I think Harlin is for the most part a hack auteur (and his career shows it), but much like Brett Ratner, he's capable at aping the colorful style of better filmmakers, and delivering a forgettable if serviceable black & white Xerox knock-off narrative, or to use a better analogy, he's the cheap store-brand cereal to McTiernan's Kellogg’s. I would almost call this the best DIE HARD knock-off ever shot, but that honor goes to Andrew Davis' superior UNDER SIEGE.

I do think its odd is how steady and calm Wood's camerawork is, considering how he would later cinematograph the BOURNE movies. Go figure.

What makes DIE HARD 2 the lesser of the franchise is simply because of the approach with McClane, and the story itself.

There is a charm for me in the other DIE HARD movies of how despite being charming with his ballsyness and one-liners, he is the same guy who drove away his wife (DIE HARD), made his co-workers ashamed to be around him despite his heroics (DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE) and is still stuck as a low-paid copper while alienating his daughter (LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD). He's an alcoholic, chain-smoking bastard.... a likeable one, but only for 2 hours. In real life, would you really want to work or live with such a guy? What really redeems him though is that, who you gonna call when shit hits the fan?

But with DIE HARD 2, this McClane reconciled with his beau, transferred from New York City over to Los Angeles (where she works), apparently looks healthier than we last saw him at the Nakatomi Building, and....this just rings hollow for me. I don't really buy McClane, because the dude is fire & ice. He might as well be a McClane clone like Willis was in THE LAST BOY SCOUT. To put this another way, imagine a DIRTY HARRY movie where Clint Eastwood respected a suspect's civil rights.

Yeah exactly my point.

Aside from that, we have the whole weak villain scheme, where you have a Oliver North-esque Army Colonel (William Sadler) who leads a renegade gang of American Special Ops troops to free a Manuel Noriega-esque Latin American dictator, who's being extradited to USA for drug trafficking, because he harshly engaged the communist guerillas within his lands. Look, the plot device of the other DIE HARD flicks may be simplistic, but you must admit, greed is enough reason for evil men to do evil things. But is an Anti-Moscow ideology enough motivation enough for these soldiers to kill hundreds of their own people?

Maybe that's just me, but maybe the problem is Sadler himself. Mind you, he is cool. He's a great underused actor, and I guess the producers probably wanted an Anti-Hans Gruber for the sequel, but goddamn I wished he had a better scripted role, or at least be as intriguingly different for the whole movie as he was in his introduction when he's nude yoga exercising in his hotel room. Don't be a throwaway Direct-to-DVD nemesis like Timothy Olymphant was in LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD.

Then there is the wife subplot. She's on one of the airplanes in the blizzard skies, not able to land because the terrorists have shut down the airport runways, and her scenes trying to deal with this ordeal feels reminds me of the melodramatic AIRPORT disaster flicks which AIRPLANE! so richly mocked. That and you have William Atherton the prick reporter back from the first movie...and who cares?

So yes, you have Willis trying to beat the terrorists so that her plane won't crash and burn from an empty gas tank...and that doesn't bother me really. What bugs me is that you have a great scene when Sadler crashes a British Airways plane, and standing between the burning wreckage and remains of the passengers, Willis seems really lost, tasting failure despite his best efforts, and maybe even unable to beat these pros. Then he picks up a burned doll, and is more determined now to send Sadler to the local morgue.

OK, you say so what? Well, that whole crash sequence is simply throwaway simply to add jeopardy to Willis' mission to save his wife. What if instead there was no wife around? What if Willis does go balls-to-the-wall simply to do the right thing in saving people, like he did in DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE? I mean, talk about a great scene wasted.

But perhaps what nearly kills DIE HARD 2 for me is Dennis Franz. Perhaps I'm post-9/11-biased, but wouldn't most such airport security bureaucrats do everything to at least act like they have everything secured and investigated, instead of disbelieving Willis despite everything that happens in DIE HARD 2? I mean, if you want the authorities to doubt the hero, make it credible. Don't waste my time with such lazy "conflict" screenwriting. If I wanted that, I would watch 24.

But despite my whining, I sort of like DIE HARD 2, if only as a decent passable action ticket. Besides, when you have that shot of Willis escaping a bombed jet by using the ejector seat, and he fires up into the air, a mere inch away from our screen, and yells "Oh shiiiiiiiiiiit!" as he rapidly descends.....how can I not help but smile?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/12/08 03:49 AM



P*U*L*S*E (1995) - ****

I forgot which music critic it was who said it, so I'll steal it for myself. Pink Floyd is an Aristotle of rock music in that their albums are re-discovered by each succeeding generation, and their work, especially from MEDDLE in 1971 towards the end of the decade with THE WALL, is still as good as any rocker puts out these days. Either that's great praise, or simply the sorry state of the genre these days. Your call.

But like every other great British rock band not named the Rolling Stones, philosophies conflicted and egos clashed, and they imploded. In 1985, bassist/chief lyricist Roger Waters quit the act, and tried to retire the "Pink Floyd" moniker, which ensued quite a nasty and bitter artistic divorce with his band mates. By 1987, a settlement was reached out of court and lead guitarist David Gilmour, keyboardist Richard Wright, and drummer Nick Mason regrouped and subsequently recorded two albums: A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON and THE DIVISION BELL.

P*U*L*S*E is a breathtaking and exhilarating recording of a concert at Earl's Court in London on October 20, 1994, as part of Pink Floyd's DIVISION BELL tour. If Pink Floyd had been legendary for decades for their live performances, from their infamous gigs at psychedelic nightclubs in swinging '60s London to their theatrically ambitious THE WALL tour, then this incarnation of Floyd were willing to break the bank (at about $30 million).

Not only does P*U*L*S*E look expensive, what with an exploding airplane, film clips, a laser light show that'll give you a seizure, and one giant-ass crystal ball, but the audience (back then and now at home) sure get theirs Money's worth from what became the most successful rock tour for its time.

If anything, I think Sony and EMI should get this sucker slapped onto Blu-Ray pronto because its a perfect demonstration of that video system's audio capacity, and give strong incentive to people, especially home entertainment system aficionados, to upgrade into the future from DVD.

I mean, while the dry and intellectual vocals of Waters are really really missed, Gilmour/Wright/Mason still perform one hell of a kick ass show, starting with their epic "Shine On You Crazy Diamond." Even if I thought REASON and BELL were for the most part mediocre studio recordings, there is something thrilling as Gilmour's deep voice goes into "High Hopes," and you must see the insane-as-hell synch work between the laser effects and his (extraordinary as always) guitar work on "Sorrow."

Yet these Limeys sure know what is Pink Floyd's bread and butter with the masses, and with the concert's second-half they perform the entirety of their immortal DARK SIDE OF THE MOON. I do hate that MOON has almost overshadowed everything else awesome that Pink Floyd had recorded in the 60s (THE PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN) and 70s (ANIMALS), to the point that reformed Floyd and solo Waters have made MOON the lynchpin of their concerts, but with P*U*L*S*E, you forget that and revel in the likes of "Time." That song not only owns you, me, and everyone else reading this review, but it also retroactively and owned our parents too as well. Heck, It even trashed your ancestors' cave homes.

By the triumphant encore renditions of the haunting "Wish You Were Here," the mesmerizing "Comfortably Numb," and balls-to-the-wall "Run Like Hell," you are just exhausted, mostly from the constant stomping of your feet on your floor. Despite teases of a new tour since the Waters/Floyd reunion at Live 8 in summer 2005, I fear this will probably will be the closest I'll ever get to attending a Floyd concert in the flesh, unless that lost magical footage of the WALL concerts are discovered and properly restored.

But I'll take what I can.
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/12/08 04:24 AM

I just watched Die Hard 4. One reason out of very few: Maggie Q!
Yum!!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/12/08 05:38 PM

THE WANDERERS (1979) ****

Where do I start? This film is one of the most underrated films of the 70s, maybe ever. And not just because it's set in the Fordham section of the Bronx, where Pizzaboy grew up. It's just that good.

THE WANDERERS is many things...an urban gang drama, juvenile comedy, changing of the times study and more. It works on all these levels and has become a certified cult classic. At it's core, the Wanderers is about the final death of the innocence of the 1950's. The Wanderers are an Italian gang in NY, still clinging to the last vestiges of the 1950's with their matching satin jackets and grease-backed hair. Early on several members run afoul of another gang, the notorious Baldies (Baldies footnote---They were a real gang; Dion DiMucci, of Dion and the Belmonts fame was a member, but chickened out of shaving his head, so he was thrown out). The Wanderers find themselves trapped until a newcomer, the huge Perry saves them and is immediately welcomed into the gang by their leader Richie (Ken Wahl).

The various members of the Wanderers have problems to deal with on their own. Richie has gotten his girlfriend, Despie, pregnant, Perry's mother is an Alcoholic, Turkey wants to join the Baldies and Joey has an abusive father who thinks his son doesn't measure up. The Wanderers have a verbal war with a black gang, the Del Bombers, in school and decide to settle things with an old-fashioned rumble.

When the Wanderers cannot get any other gangs to back them up, Despie's father (Dolph Sweet) a neighborhood mob boss steps in and decides to stop the rumble and have the gangs settle their differences with a football game instead...with a lot of mob money riding on the outcome. The game climaxes when the two gangs, along with the rest in attendance, must join together to fight The Ducky Boys, a group of vicious, seemingly Irish homosexuals (although their ethnicity is never mentioned), who have crashed the game with hundreds of members. The location filming of the football game, at French Charlie's field on Webster Avenue is fantastic. I played ball there religiously when I was growing up.

Mixed in with the drama and action is a liberal amount of juvenile buddy comedy as the Wanderers "accidentally" bump into women on the street in order to touch their breasts. This is how the meet Nina (Karen Allen) a bohemian girl who Richie becomes infatuated with. There there are drunken parties, games of strip poker, etc. In one memorable scene, the drunken Baldies join the marines.

Through all of this is the theme of the changing of the times. The doo-wop of the 1950's is now being replaced by folk music. A poignant scene has Richie following Nina until she enters a club where (in sound anyway) Bob Dylan is playing. Richie doesn't enter as he seems to know that it's just not his world. The film also covers the assasination of John Kennedy as the symbolic death of innocence. It is this moment the galvanizes the strained relationship between Despie and Richie.

One wishes that the Ducky Boys had been better explained. They are a creepy group of men..older than the other gangs...who never speak and were actually seen taking Holy Communion in one part where Turkey enters their turf by mistake and his killed. What were the Ducky Boys representing? It's the one mystery of the film.

THE WANDERERS has a fantastic soundtrack of early 1960's hits including "Soldier Boy", "Walk Like a Man", "Runaround Sue", "Shout", "Big Girls don't Cry" and of course the title track.

This is a movie that holds up still after 25 years because it works well on so many different levels. This was mostly a cast of unknowns with Karen Allen perhaps being the most notable star a year after she did ANIMAL HOUSE. An enjoyable movie from beginning to end.

DON'T FUCK WITH THE WONGS!

LEAVE THE KID ALONE!

Don't know what the hell Pizzaboy is talking about?

Watch this underrated classic and find out.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/12/08 06:42 PM

The Wanderers was a great movie, and i haven't seen it in close to 20 years.

what I remember most is that the film takes a sudden and dramatic change of mood where some of the Wanderers are travelling in a car, upbeat an optimistic, and immediately the sky becomes dark and the mood becomes threating and suspenseful. I believe this marks the moment they arrived on Duckie territory.

The Duckies were strange and eerie from what I can remember.

how 'bout dem Wongs!
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/12/08 07:52 PM

ANOTHER very good review, pb. I'm gonna have to start calling you "Gene Shalit".

I love "The Wanderers" and have always sung it's praises here on the boards.

I've always thought the "theme" of it was summed up by the end when Dylan was singing "The Times They Are a Changin'". The innocence of the 50's was ending and the 60's were bringing all the changes that divided us. The Ducky Boys represented that change and it was interesting to see the coalitions formed to fight against them.

BTW - It always bothered me how Dylan was singing in the Village (and Richie looked through the window to see it) and then, all of sudden, he was back in The Bronx... ohwell
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/12/08 08:02 PM

It was adapted from the Richard Price novel, SC. He's long been a hero of mine---A Bronx Jewish boy made good. He grew up in the Olinville projects just a bit north of my old neighborhood (Belmont), and he proves my point once again with his great ear for dialogue, that Jews and Italians are exactly the same. If you didn't know it, you'd think his books were written by a Bronx Italian guy, like Chazz Palminteri. If you've never read the book, you should. It's much darker than the film.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/12/08 08:56 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
The innocence of the 50's was ending

Can you elaborate a bit on why you think of 50's as a time of innocence?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/12/08 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: svsg
Originally Posted By: SC
The innocence of the 50's was ending

Can you elaborate a bit on why you think of 50's as a time of innocence?




*Runs from Italian-American mob with torches and bats*

Edited to remove racially offensive material. - SC
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/12/08 11:42 PM

SC, that was a genuine question with no malicious intent. I would really like to hear you views.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/13/08 12:04 AM

I forgot about that with the joking.

The 50's, here in America anyway, were generally thought to be a quiet, conservative time. After the Korean war was done we still had the Cold War escalating, but domestically it was a quiet time. The economy was good, couples were having lots of babies, the suburbs were growing, there was no real political unrest, and "family values" were at their peak. It was a generally peaceful time here and a time of innocence.

You're a movie buff.... look at most of the movies that depict 50's life. Sure, some focused on changing issues ("Rebel Without a Cause" comes to mind) but they were mostly tame. The youth of most countries/cultures are the revolutionaries. The American youth of this time was very quiet.
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/13/08 12:44 AM

Rebel Without a Cause was excellent!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/14/08 04:44 PM



EXTREME PREJUDICE (1987) - ***1/2

You know a great badass film scene is one that seems mundane, even silly on paper....until its executed. With EXTREME PREJUDICE, take the scene when the villain Powers Boothe wants to knock off a Texas sheriff who's become "unreliable to depend upon," so Boothe sends him a present: A cute fluffy pet rabbit. The corrupt cop loves such a random gift, and opens the cage...which triggers off a bomb that blows him and his SUBWAY restaurant up. Take that Jared!

I tell ya, I can't believe I didn't see this back in my days at High School where I was cherry-popping into full-fledged cinephilia. I am certain I would have loved EXTREME PREJUDICE as that sort of great little movie that nobody around me had seen, much less even know of, much like I was late one night when I saw THE WARRIORS on television. No coincidence then that both films were directed by the great Walter Hill, who's increasingly proving to me that he is one of the more criminally underrated American filmmakers of the last 40 years.

Most of his movies are pseudo-westerns, but like his THE LONG RIDERS this is a full-fledged-western, except its set in contemporary times like the Coens' NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN. The difference being though that instead of philosophical musings about fate and mortality, EXTREME PREJUDICE is a classic genre action set-up in that two larger-than-life macho badass men, one good (Nick Nolte) and one bad (Boothe), fight for supremacy of a land....and the heart of a woman (Maria Alonso). They were the best of friends as children, but Boothe's drug trade from Mexico has sort of pissed off Nolte the Texas Ranger.

Hill doesn't avoid cliches, as much as play them by casting two giants of masculine charisma in Nolte and Boothe. Nolte is perfect as the stone-face hero, the only one in Texas apparently willing to stand up to his buddy-turned-enemy, and won't take any of his bribes.

"You can buy me, Cash. Hell, you always could. But you can't buy the badge, and one without the other ain't no goddamn good."

Boothe is equally awesome as the devil's advocate for his career, and in their first confrontation, even sneers that his massive monetary donations to charity make a bigger difference for the better than Nolte can in trying to play John Wayne. Then Boothe shows off his well-equipped private army, along with his own helicopter airfleet, in contrast to Nolte's out-gunned and understaffed police force...which doesn't deter Nolte at all.

PREJUDICE may be set in the 1980s, but the main storyline up to even the epic finale gunfight at Boothe's Mexican fortress, could have been set a hundred years earlier and we wouldn't have seen the difference. What does clearly stick out though from the Reagan Decade is the film's subplot in a mysterious U.S. government special ops squad of "dead" soldiers who orchestrate a grand bank robbery just to rob Boothe's accounting books...and what a cool gang of guys you have here. They include Clancy Brown (villain of HIGHLANDER and the great HBO television series CARNIVALE), William Forsythe (baddie of THE DEVIL'S REJECTS and John Goodman's fellow escapee in RAISING ARIZONA), and their leader in goddamn Michael Ironside (a nemesis from TOTAL RECALL.)

You gotta dig how two of the soldiers stage a fight against each other in the Unemployment Office of the same town as the bank, just so they could be jailed up in the local police precinct and scope out Nolte's manpower and capacity. Plus when the robbery is partly-botched and one of them gets killed, another teammate is greatly upset. Brown tries to tell him that at least they accomplished the objective, and the teammate utters a wonderful line of despair:

"Yeah, it still doesn't change the fact that my buddy's in a body bag. And he ain't in Lebanon or Honduras, but in fuckin' Texas."

If anything, I just dig that Hill and his writers (including the mad genius John Milius) have these high-tech spooks, trained for insane commando shit overseas, be at a tactical disadvantage when performing a similar military domestic operation. Plus, there is something Hill and Milius trademark in how Nolte the lowly redneck cop goes all ballsy in apprehending two of the soldiers....and they don't hate him, but actually respect him for pulling that off.

Also, unlike every other platoon or heist flick which have the obligatory electronics nerd expert, the black nerd for PREJUDICE actually fires a gun, and damn good at it.

We need more of that at the movies.

So eventually in PREJUDICE, the two plotlines converge when Nolte and the troops go down to Mexico to take out Boothe...and this is a pure genre western when Nolte goes into Boothe's joint, his army raising their guns at Nolte, and Nolte says anyway that he's dragging Boothe back over the border. He calls Boothe out as a coward, and they start their duel...and I just laughed my ass off when Alonso starts crying, and Boothe bitches at her for ruining the mood. Then a massive blood and bullet bath this side of THE WILD BUNCH interrupts them.....but afterwards, they resume the stances for their death game.

OK, that's just awesome, having adversaries that are so keen on having their ritualistic man-to-man fight. It may sound goofy and ridiculous, but just watch EXTREME PREJUDICE, and see how Nolte/Boothe/Hill just pull it off.

What perhaps keeps PREJUDICE from being a great movie, and not simply just a pretty good kickass flicker, is how poorly written Alonso's character is. I know her character is supposed to be a glorified object with arms and legs that Boothe and Nolte keep fighting over, but Jesus Christ couldn't they have given her a bigger and better dramatic bone to chew on? Compare that with Deborah Van Valkenburgh in THE WARRIORS, and you'll see why that movie has the slight edge.

But otherwise, go see EXTREME PREJUDICE, if simply for Nolte's sidekick deputy sheriff in Rip Torn delivers some memorable lines like: "Hell, Jack...the only thing worse than a politician is a child molester!"
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/17/08 06:40 AM



VIRUS (1999) - **1/2

Ever see a movie in theatres that you know you saw, but don't remember anything else?

Well, that's my story with VIRUS back in the day, a major box-office flop that star Jamie Lee Curtis once called the worst movie she ever acted in, which considering that she also did z-slasher TERROR TRAIN, the feel-bad holiday flick CHRISTMAS WITH THE KRANKS, and that horrific cameo in HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION....wow.

But having bought this at the DVD Bargain Bin at Ingles for $3, I think she's totally wrong. Unlike those pictures I've just mentioned, VIRUS is actually sort of competent. I'm not saying that its good or even decent but its perhaps as good of a "creature feature" can be in ripping off better films like John Carpenter's THE THING, James Cameron's ALIENS, and Ridley Scott's ALIEN in dotting the "i"s and crossing the "t"s of the formula from those flicks without bringing anything new to the table.

It's like a well-written plagiarized term paper. It's the SUDDEN DEATH for the Hollywood monster movie. It's that nice knock-off Rolex you bought on the street for $30. It's a good Sci-Fi Channel Movie of the Week in another dimension, but in ours it escaped television and someone at Universal Pictures was stupid enough to sink $75 million into it.

VIRUS opens with an electric storm from space getting transmitted to a Russian scientific ship in the south Pacific, and the comrades don't fare well. Cut to a week later, and a shipping barge happens upon the ship, dead in the water and deserted (ALIEN). Since this crew lost their cargo, they figure they can salvage a payday from this ghost boat. Though I doubt Russia will want to buy back a ship infested with killer robots. I mean even if they wanted to, could they afford it? Go ask China for a loan.

They get jumped by an mentally-squared survivor (ALIENS), but they all try to get the hell of the boat and stop this alien "virus" from spreading to the rest of Earth (THE THING). Captain Donald Sutherland though is the douchebag who impedes the heroes on both goals (ALIEN/ALIENS) and the heroine has a one-on-one confrontation with the head robot (ALIENS) and there's a giant-ass explosion by the end (All 3 movies).

Again, if you seen those movies, you've seen this one already....but I must say that I sort of feel bad for director John Bruno. With such material, some filmmakers just don't bother in trying to even create tension or fear. For example, DEEP RISING was released a year earlier and has practically the exact same plot, ripped off the same great films, which also involves a giant ship in the seas, except its sea creatures instead of robots. Perhaps a reason why some geeks like RISING is that Stephen Sommers (yes, director of VAN HELSING) simply Kraft Cheese the whole thing, i.e. "We know its stupid, and you're stupid for liking it."

But I give VIRUS the edge of RISING in that career FX-worker Bruno really tries his best to make us jump in spite of the fact that a filmphile like me could practically predict when they would happen, and you know what? He succeeded once, and I won't say in which scene, but its one of three reasons why VIRUS is watchable.

The second is how Bruno actually relies for the most part on animatronics and old school FX for the deadly electronic creatures, which was nice in the late 1990s when CGI was already greatly abused this side of Elizabeth Smart. Too bad the few CGI shots we get in this flick is the worst effects Hollywood money could be wasted on. It's not unfortunate I guess that Bruno hasn't directed a studio movie since then, but there are much worse shooters still employed. Right Rob Cohen?

Third.....actually, I was wrong about VIRUS in having any new ideas. A nice concept wasted is.....get ready for it.....Zombie Robots.

Zombie Robots!

To be fair, even this isn't original. The z-schlock MOONTRAP produced a decade earlier did this too, though technically those bodies retooled by evil machines as cyborgs are simply glorified jackets, so I guess VIRUS did this one first....maybe. Funny enough, the guy who wrote VIRUS also wrote another forgettable by-the-numbers flop involving stalking robots in RED PLANET.

There are many things I could complain and nitpick this movie over. If the virus itself is electronic in nature, why the hell does it need to type on a computer keyboard to design the robots? Couldn't it simply get inside that comp and do it without a keyboard? Better yet...what about the Internet? Maybe this film was produced before Wi-Fi, I'm not sure, but I sure know that cell phones were. Yeah Mr. Virus, you sure are incredibly backwards for an electronic life form. Retard.

Also, when the virus tortures Curtis for information, why not simply kill her? I mean, they already absorbed data from the other dead converted into zombie robots, so why bother asking her? Why didn't the writers give crazy Sutherland something to have fun to work with for the paycheck instead of looking like he would rather watch paint dry? Why is the lead male hero is William "Offered after Alec and Stephen declined" Baldwin? Why did VIRUS have to resort to the lamest hack horror trick of them all in ending with a jump scare? Name the last movie besides CARRIE that made that gimmick work.

Yet with 3 dollars, I could have donated it to help fund literacy programs or get food for starving children in Africa, but instead I bought VIRUS. Sorry hungry kids who can't read, but it was worth the money...but that's about it.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/17/08 06:29 PM

Can anyone provide me with a quote of Optimus Prime's last statement in the movie Transformers?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/17/08 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Can anyone provide me with a quote of Optimus Prime's last statement in the movie Transformers?


Optimus Prime: Were we so different? They're a young species. They have much to learn. But I've seen goodness in them. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. You all know there's only one way to end this war. We must destroy the cube. If all else fails, I will unite it with the spark in my chest.

Ratchet: That's suicide. The cube is raw power. It could destroy you both.

Optimus Prime: A necessary sacrifice to bring peace to this planet. We cannot let the humans pay for our mistakes. It's been an honor serving with you all. Autobots, ROLL OUT!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/17/08 08:01 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Can anyone provide me with a quote of Optimus Prime's last statement in the movie Transformers?


"Fuck You for paying to watch this movie. OHHHH YEEEEEAH!"
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/17/08 10:51 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Can anyone provide me with a quote of Optimus Prime's last statement in the movie Transformers?


Optimus Prime: Were we so different? They're a young species. They have much to learn. But I've seen goodness in them. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. You all know there's only one way to end this war. We must destroy the cube. If all else fails, I will unite it with the spark in my chest.

Ratchet: That's suicide. The cube is raw power. It could destroy you both.

Optimus Prime: A necessary sacrifice to bring peace to this planet. We cannot let the humans pay for our mistakes. It's been an honor serving with you all. Autobots, ROLL OUT!


Thanks. But I'm referring to the one he states as the final words of the movie which I recall end with "We are here. We are waiting."
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/17/08 10:56 PM

"With the Allspark gone, we cannot return life to our planet. And fate has yielded its reward: a new world to call home. We live among its people now in plain sight, but watching over them in secret, waiting, protecting. I have witnessed their capacity for courage, and though we are worlds apart, like us, there's more to them than meets the eye. I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to any surviving Autobots taking refuge among the stars: we are here, we are waiting."
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/18/08 03:13 AM

Grazie. It's going to be an exam question.
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/18/08 03:17 AM

Does anyone here like Resident Evil 3?

I thought it was very good, especially the ending, very suspenseful - I was jumping round the room with that revelation!
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/18/08 07:06 PM

The first one was ok, not seen the other two..
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/19/08 03:49 AM

Originally Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss
Does anyone here like Resident Evil 3?

I thought it was very good, especially the ending, very suspenseful - I was jumping round the room with that revelation!


Fucking hated the first two movies, and despite Russell Mulcahy (HIGHLANDER) as director of #3...sorry, but producer/writer Paul W.S. Anderson is just a toxic hack mother fucker for me.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/19/08 05:45 AM


You didn't just hate it, you fucking hated it. And Anderson isn't just a hack, he's a mother fucker. (Yours, perhaps? confused )

You have a way with words, my literate friend. The way you paint a picture with words is truly remarkable. tongue

Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/19/08 06:00 AM

You hated the 3 Resident Evil films. Is Godfather 3 better then all 3?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/20/08 02:36 AM

Originally Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss
Does anyone here like Resident Evil 3?

I thought it was very good, especially the ending, very suspenseful - I was jumping round the room with that revelation!


The Sci Fi channel has shown both Resident Evil 1 & 2 (don't know about 3). By reading the description, I have been tempted, but never did watch it. I like the idea of the Sci Fi Channel, but a lot of their movies are dumb. Although they do show some good ones from time to time.


TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/20/08 02:39 AM

TIS, I don't know what TCM schedule you're on (if it's the same as the east coast), but if you're able to watch "Bridge to the Sun" on it tonight, do so!! It's an excellent movie and I think you'd enjoy it.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/20/08 02:49 AM

SC,

To get an idea of any time difference or IF we have the same movie scheduled on the West Coast as the East. It is 7:47 here and right now on TCM is China Doll, followed at 9:00 with Sayonara with Brando and The World Of Suzy Wong at 10:00. Are any of these movies playing now on your TCM? ohwell Or, maybe they are two totally different schedules.

TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/20/08 02:55 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
To get an idea of any time difference or IF we have the same movie scheduled on the West Coast as the East. It is 7:47 here and right now on TCM is China Doll, followed at 9:00 with Sayonara with Brando and The World Of Suzy Wong at 10:00. Are any of these movies playing now on your TCM?


OK... we're seeing the same movies at the same time. The movie I recommended would have been on by you at 5:00 (your time).
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/20/08 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

You didn't just hate it, you fucking hated it. And Anderson isn't just a hack, he's a mother fucker. (Yours, perhaps? confused )

You have a way with words, my literate friend. The way you paint a picture with words is truly remarkable. tongue



How about this instead: "He's like Michael Bay, but never given more than $30 million for a movie. Just as useless, annoying, and irrelevant for popcorn cinema, but at least he's not seen by misguided folks as the definition of the genre."

How about that?

*Thump*

Sunshine, how about it?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/20/08 02:59 AM

Originally Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss
You hated the 3 Resident Evil films. Is Godfather 3 better then all 3?


Yeah...at least GF3 was decent at least, if a movie made by someone who really had no interest in it, and given a total of a year from writing/scouting/budgeting/casting/shooting/editing/mixing...it shows all that, but at least I was never bored with it as the first two RE pictures have been in general.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/20/08 03:01 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss
Does anyone here like Resident Evil 3?

I thought it was very good, especially the ending, very suspenseful - I was jumping round the room with that revelation!


The Sci Fi channel has shown both Resident Evil 1 & 2 (don't know about 3). By reading the description, I have been tempted, but never did watch it. I like the idea of the Sci Fi Channel, but a lot of their movies are dumb. Although they do show some good ones from time to time.


TIS


For better or for worse, the Sci-Fi Channel does honor the "B" tradition of the sci-fi and horror genres.....or "Z-grade," to be technical with Internet jargon.

I mean, what other channel would make a movie about a Special Forces Army unit going to war with the Headless Horseman? Not LIFETIME, thats for sure.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/20/08 03:07 AM

RR,

Many times they run trilogys: Gator 1, 2,3; or Shark 1,2,3; Phython......you get my drift. Oh, and Stargate is on a lot, but I have never been into that. ohwell

On the other hand, they run occasional good flicks from time like Final Destination (I really get a kick out of that movie, even the sequels), The Thing (with Kurt Russell), and a few others. I do check out what's showing just in case.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/20/08 04:06 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
RR,

Many times they run trilogys: Gator 1, 2,3; or Shark 1,2,3; Phython......you get my drift. Oh, and Stargate is on a lot, but I have never been into that. ohwell

On the other hand, they run occasional good flicks from time like Final Destination (I really get a kick out of that movie, even the sequels), The Thing (with Kurt Russell), and a few others. I do check out what's showing just in case.


TIS


The only two reasons I watch Sci-Fi Channel for is on friday nights: Britain's own DOCTOR WHO at 9, and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA at 10. The latter is one that's better enjoyed having seen the complete series (its currently airing its last season) but the WHO revival is stand-alone episode fun.

In fact, this week's WHO episode is a perfect time to check it out...the first of a two parter involving a haunted library. Watched it the other day on YouTube (that episode aired some weeks ago back in UK)...I say check it out TIS.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/22/08 10:01 PM



THE ENFORCER (1976) - ***1/2

One thing about the DIRTY HARRY movies I'll never understand really is how Detective Harry Callahan was never kicked off the San Francisco police force, much less locked up in jail. I'm not just talking about his lack of commitment to uphold a criminal suspect's civil rights, but how he tells his department superiors to kiss his ass.

I mean after the original DIRTY HARRY, in real life he probably would have been prosecuted not just because he blew away the mass murderer, but because the city government would have wanted to make an example of him. As critic Roger Ebert once noted, "Harry has solved all of his cases while on suspension."

Then again, why is John McClane from the DIE HARD movies still a lowly cop and not been recruited by Department of Homeland Security to handle terrorists? Why does the U.S. government still not believe Jack Bauer whenever he brings up undisputed evidence of a terrorist plan? How did an crying emo bitch like Anakin Skywalker grow up to become the baddest man in the galaxy in Darth Vader? I guess some logic lapses must be accepted for the greater good.

Yet, maybe they keep Harry around because despite the fact that he'll never lick boot, and his expensive property damages are a constant headache, but he is the sort of mean bastard you need to get the job done. From icing the Scorpio Killer to going to war for the corrupt system against vigilante cops, and with the action-packed climax of THE ENFORCER, he and his new female partner Tyne Daly storm Alcatraz to free the kidnapped Mayor from SLA-esque terrorists. (You know, back when extremist American leftists were actually threatening?)

In every DIRTY HARRY flick, you have an early sequence where the man displays his kickass credentials. There's a liquor store robbery, and he goes in to negotiate. The crooks made him drop his .44 Magnum revolver canon on the street, and promptly rough him up as they throw him out the door, demanding a getaway car. That twitch look on Clint Eastwood's face afterwards is just classic, and you know what's gonna happen.

Anyway, he's knocked down to Personel as punishment for his stopping the robbery, and he's being an asshole in examining desk jockey Daly, but the guy does have a point. Why should someone without any street or arrest experience be made an Inspector simply to fill out a quota? So of course he's just thrilled[i] when she's made his partner.

Daly has never done much besides this movie and CAGNEY & LACEY, but she really does strike up good chemistry with Eastwood in a pretty good "buddy cop" movie relationship six years before Walter Hill's 48 HRS. Besides the fact that she's a nervous rookie taking a crash course on police work, no men at the precinct takes her seriously...including Eastwood initially. But I must say, he does give her a [i]chance
to earn her badge, and she ends up getting his respect. Harry may be a sexist violent Neanderthal cop, but at least he admits when he's wrong.

Too bad the filmmakers of THE ENFORCER decided to make Daly carry a purse around. A purse! I mean Jesus Christ, I've never seen a female cop, uniform or detective, ever lug one around. Besides, with America these days, its more likely that it would be the man with the "man purse" strapped around the shoulder.

What's interesting though about THE ENFORCER is how early on, his superiors get on Eastwood for targeting hoods based on their race, but later on, the same higher-ups arrest a local black militant group as the terrorists, despite the terrorist group being white. But its interesting how the police bureaucracy is just as guilty in racial profiling as they accused Eastwood of being.

With THE ENFORCER, I'm reminded that part of the success of the Dirty Harry franchise isn't just Eastwood being a badass, but the humor from him being calm with the bullshit around him. From destroying the Mayor's perfect photo-op moment when wrongly given credit for a bust, to crashing in on a porno shoot, and what he gets at the Whore House for his $75. What's classic though is this dialogue exchange when he's demoted by his Captain:

"Personnel? That's for assholes!"
"I was in Personnel for ten years."
"Yeah."

Having finally gotten around to seeing THE ENFORCER, its a pretty good shoot-em-up/buddy cop action yarn with some laughs, but I really dig how unlike such fare produced from Hollywood in the 1980s and onward, ENFORCER oddly for its genre has a surprisingly bitter ending. No epilogue, no plot tie-ups, just a perfect moment when someone can be both victorius and defeated at the same time.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 03:01 AM

Hey RR,

I understand your point about Dirty Harry Callahan never getting kicked off the SF police force. Call it a sign of the times in move making, or the temperment of the nation at that time, or whatever, but the rogue, "me against the system" type cop was very big in the 70's and nobody personified that more than Eastwood IMHO. He was the top box office draw quite a few years in a row if I remember correctly.

I was a young newlywed in the 70's and whenever there was a new Eastwood movie out, my husband and I and friends were there. The tag lines from the Dirty Harry flicks were known by everyone..."Make my Day"...."Do you fell lucky punk? Do ya?" Everybody loved to see Eastwood kick ass. grin And damn, he looked so good too. I don't know, maybe coming out of the Viet Nam war that many felt unjust made us all in the mood to be defiant to the so-called "authority" figures. Hard to tell, but even though DH was a fictional character, he did speak to the times. For what it's worth, I like Eastwood's spaghetti westerns, but have always been partial to the Dirty Harry flicks, even if a little outdated now. smile

I saw Dirty Harry not too long ago and still enjoy watching it. I enjoyed The Enforcer and until I saw it on TV a few years ago, forgot that Tyne Daly was in it. I do remember her with the purse. lol The enjoyed all of them. The first three (DH, Magnum Force, Enforcer) are the best. Sudden Impact was my least favorite, if I recall, but I did enjoy Dead Pool (loved the remote control car). smile The first three though are the best

TIS


Dirty Harry (1971)
Magnum Force (1973)
The Enforcer (1976)
Sudden Impact (1983)
The Dead Pool (1988)
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 03:17 AM

Ok, I'm probably not right on with this quote but here goes:

"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire 5 shots or 6 shots? To tell you the truth, in all the excitement I kind of forgot myself. So, you need to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do you punk?"
lol



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 04:05 AM

Yeah, SUDDEN IMPACT doesn't sound exactly thrilling, but its plot does fit in line with the franchise.

If Harry went vigilante at the finale of DIRTY HARRY, then he had to fight cops who went vigilante in MAGNUM FORCE, then SUDDEN IMPACT is Harry having to contend with someone trying to be vigilante in her need for her own revenge. Vigilantism is a door that swings both ways, though with Harry, he simply blows it away with his Magnum.

While we're talking pre-HARRY Eastwood, while his spagetti westerns were great, I enjoyed his solid directorial debut PLAY MISTY FOR ME*, but my personal favorite of pre-HARRY Eastwood was probably WHERE EAGLES DARE, which was his biggest hit until DIRTY HARRY.

*=Or, the smart version of FATAL ATTRACTION.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 06:53 AM

The reason why I probably didn't see Where Eagles Dare is because I'm not real big on war movies and that's a war movie no???? I did see whowever,Kelly's Heroes.

And yes, I loved Play Misty For Me. A really different type roll (at the time) for Eastwood. And Jessica Walter, wow, how convincingly creepy she was. Many may or may not remember that the hit song "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" was from that movie. Ok, ans speaking of different roles, Paint Your Wagon was totally different. lol


TIS
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 06:58 AM


GC is gone. Sorry, can't think about some obsure movie at the moment,.. I"m actually a bit upset... :{
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 07:51 AM

J Geoff, come give me a hug! I promise not to bite!!
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 07:58 AM


Bitch... next time promise to bite! Then I might think about it lol tongue
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 01:59 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

GC is gone. Sorry, can't think about some obsure movie at the moment,.. I"m actually a bit upset... :{



How about DOGMA, where Carlin was the Archbishop that threatens the apocalypse?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 02:14 PM


Dogma was blasphemy! (But still funny wink )
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 02:17 PM

I thought Dogma was ok, I really only watched it for Damon and Affleck.

Ohh okay...And Salma Hayek too!!! I'm only a man!!!!!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 02:36 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Dogma was blasphemy! (But still funny wink )


Carlin is Blasphemy...and Awesome.

Its either DOGMA or BILL & TED'S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/08 08:53 PM



JUMPER (2008) - **

What if you could transport to any place on Earth within a second? What if you could go at any time with great ease? What if JUMPER actually had a plot beyond that?

Six years ago, Director Doug Liman shot the most influential Hollywood action movie of this decade in the blockbuster hit THE BOURNE IDENTITY, and that genre has been his bread & butter since then. But after the unsatisfying MR. & MRS. SMITH and now the pretty mediocre JUMPER, I wonder if Liman is just simply bored now with the normal-who-really-are-extraordinary-on-the-run plot template, or perhaps BOURNE was a fluke.

JUMPER opens up with a prologue that's painfully Emo. You know, the hero is a scrawny guts-less punk that gets pushed around; the parents are mean, blah blah. Jesus, I'm shocked he wasn't carrying around a razor blade. While drowning in a frozen lake, he accidentally "jumps" to the library. When he comes back years later to the town, nobody there is fazed that someone presumed dead is alive and kicking. Huh?

Don't worry; the nonsense in JUMPER is just getting started.

Try another scene when he takes his drunk Dad to the hospital, and the medical staff gets onto a gurney.....and making NO reaction at all to the crater that he created in the lobby. I guess Michigan hospitals have regular Jumper business or something. Still, I did sorta like how the immature young boy's first reaction to discovering his little trick, is to rob a bank. "Wouldn't you?"

Yeah I would.

We cut to him years later, as Hayden Christensen is super-duper-wealthy with a New York City penthouse, and he whines about how he never told his best friend. I thinking, "Well jackass, why didn't you?" I mean, if this guy held such low self-esteem in high school, wouldn't he have stroked his ego by showing off his secret power to a would-be girlfriend? Sorry dude, but its your fault that you abandoned her. Don't blame it off on insecurity or whatever CW Network crap. At worst, she freaks out and dumps you...which would arguably make her the jerk of this situation. Man Up!

So already, I don't give two shits about this guy, nor his situation, and It doesn't help that this is Christensen here. I tried to somewhat defend the guy years ago after the nerds crucified him with the STAR WARS prequels, of how maybe his performance, like the rest of the cast, was screwed by George Lucas' writing. But no, they were right. The guy lacks any charisma power to compel us, to capture our short attention spans and make us care. Compare him with Matt Damon in THE BOURNE IDENTITY. He captivated us not just because he could open up a can of whoop ass, but as well carry the sympathetic eyes of someone who doesn't know what he is, and thus rather damn afraid.

I guess Liman's great idea with the Hayden casting was that the guy has an arrogant face, and considering his carefree playboy jumper lifestyle....alright, I can understand that. But damn, we the audience is supposed to want to fantasize about being him, even if he's a dick, and not dreaming up ways to beat his ass. Look at Dennis Quaid in the 1980s B-classic DREAMSCAPE, where he uses his psychic powers to score on and off the racetracks. You may not agree with how he uses his power, but at least you enjoy him doing it.

JUMPER is one of those movies where the filmmakers concentrated their time, money, and energy solely on the visual effects, but probably spent more on the set lunches than they did on the script. Why did that girlfriend keep hanging around with Hayden despite all the fishy incidents around them? Girls, wouldn't you have slapped Hayden silly on the spot to know what the hell is going on? How did Hayden know how to transport a whole building if he didn't learn why a previous attempt fail? Why did the rival Jumper stalk the hero in the first place? How come we couldn't have gotten a real relationship, good or bad, between someone on the run for his whole life, and one that just started?

Better yet, how does this "Jump" gift even work? JUMPER can't decide whatever its by looking at a picture of a location, or from memories, or your emotions...make up your own damn mind movie!

Then there is the villain Samuel L. Jackson, who's part of some secret brotherhood of religious extremists out to exterminate all these Jumpers. Why? "Because only God should have this power." But what if God was the one who gave Anakin Skywalker this ability in the first place? Why you telling the Big Man up there how to do his job? Let the Vatican do that. Also, how do these guys even track Jumpers in the first place?

By the ending when Hayden confronts his mother, you don't give a damn at all why Diane Lane abandoned him as a child, and you're already trying to figure out why you rented this instead of MAGNUM FORCE. JUMPER has some splendid VFX that is wasted on a story (more like a glorified premise) that never starts, with people who never gets us involved, nor they ever thrill us. God help us that they improve with the inevitable sequel, or else I'll become comatose from disinterest.

Liman once shot the indie classic SWINGERS, the solid GO, and of course THE BOURNE IDENTITY, so I have hope that JUMPER was simply a misstep, but I fear that at this rate the man is now threatening to become the new Michael Bay.

Mr. Liman, please don't make me jump off a bridge.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/25/08 05:05 AM



THE ITALIAN JOB (2003) - ***

"Robber," aka The Heist Movie - Basically the "Squad" movie, but for the crime genre. This film formula revolves around a team attempting to heist something of financial or personal value from an impregnable location using slick wits and gadgets. Two members never share the same specific skill, and the roster may be ethnic/gender/nationality diverse with conflicting archetypes (The Nerd, the Muscle, the Rookie, etc.) We have scenes where they scout out the location, the whole team is briefed on the detailed plan which they rehearse step by step, and the crew has to deal with unexpected twists and turns along the way that complicate their perfect scheme. - RRA's Cinema Dictionary

I'm simply a sucker for two types of movies: People trying to get revenge on somebody, and People trying to steal from somebody. With THE ITALIAN JOB, we get both. We open with a brood of crooks pulling of a thrilling $35 million gold heist in Venice. I must say, there is a good fake-out moment that regarding the operation that fooled me, which is nice for a cinephile like me. Anyway, one of their own (Edward Norton) screws them out of their money, and leaves them for dead. A year later, they regroup when they discover where this rat bastard is, and resolve to make him pay by taking back their money.

I've never seen the original ITALIAN JOB from the 1960s, but I do know that Sir Michael Caine may have had top billing, but the real star was the Mini-Cooper. With the 2003 remake, it's practically a car commercial for the current fleet of Mini-Coopers, but I appreciated how the filmmakers actually created an impressive action sequence uniquely suited for these fast little buggers that involves trying to out race a subway train(!) to get ahead in a tunnel, with no margin for error. Now that's good product placement.

I even liked how they casted the great Donald Sutherland, because he was part of arguably the most iconic "Squad" flick ever produced in THE DIRTY DOZEN. Yeah that was a "Men on a Mission" war movie, but so was technically KELLY'S HEROES, which itself was also a robber that Sutherland starred in. He also appeared in the rather underrated fun robber THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY shot by Michael Crichton. Too bad you know what's gonna happen when he says he's working his "last job." He might as well be the old cop who's just a day away from retirement.

Anyway, I liked this version of THE ITALIAN JOB, even though its more like THE AMERICAN JOB because it mostly takes place in Los Angeles, if simply for two reasons: The instantly-appealing junk pulpy hook premise, and good actors as the avengers. You have the leader (Mark Wahlberg), the safecracker (Charlize Theron), the exploder (Mos Def), the electronics geek (Seth Green), the engineer (Franky G) and the getaway driver (Jason Statham).

But right there is the source of my biggest complaint with JOB, in that these people fit their slots well, but aren't given any real meaty scenes to really stand out special this side of PREDATOR. I mean, you have Wahlberg and Statham, arguably today's Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson at the movies, men who can be really good with action material, but here they're functional at best, at worst uninspired. Hell, the movie's best line isn't from this crew, but from a fat gangster:

"If there's one thing I know, it's never to mess with mother nature, mother in-laws and, mother freaking Ukrainians."

My point is especially true with Norton, who was forced by contractual obligations to Paramount to do this film. The dude is just bored with what he's given to work with, and I hate that because he really could have been great fun as a total prick. Still, I dug how ITALIAN JOB has the baddie not know what to buy with his blood money, so he spent it on the dream gifts of his ripped-off co-workers.... for himself. A nice asshole touch, if you ask me.

This is a random story, but it was reported back in the day that the studio tried to smooth their rocky relations with Norton by buying him an expensive sports car, which he promptly had returned, with a note saying "Kiss My Ass." I don't know if that really happened or not, but its funny anyway.

I take myself back, Statham does have a cool scene when he's stuck in traffic and sees one of those billboards counting up how many people die of smoking. He's puffing his cigarette up real good, with his eyes saying Fuck You Sign.

The dude is just a natural badass, but imagine if Statham was working his TRANSPORTER persona here. He would have left his partners at the hotel, went to the villain's mansion, pull some martial artists on the guards, break Norton's neck, and drive back with the gold, all within 30 minutes. Then afterwards, maybe kick Wahlberg's ass out the window for THE TRUTH ABOUT CHARLIE.

I also wish this movie had gone for a good old fashion R-rating instead of the wussy PG-13, because this set-up is just asking for a nasty and brutal Parker novel treatment. The flirting subplot between Wahlberg and Theron is filler, Norton had a cartoonish evil goatee, the Velvet Revolver's cover of Pink Floyd's "Money" was ass, and the action cinema of director F. Gary Gray was at times borderline-forgettable.

However, I was never bored. I was thrilled by the snatching, pumped by the car chasing (and by the nice stand-off between helicopter and Mini under a bridge), and laughed quite fine, thanks mostly to Green, who later created the hilarious Adult Swim program ROBOT CHICKEN. Plus after OCEAN'S 11, it was nice to have a Hollywood robber without trying to be terminally hip.

What can I say? They got the JOB done.
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/25/08 05:27 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


I thought this one was wicked. clap

A fantastic cast and perfect stunts. clap
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/25/08 05:29 AM


Damn, you're up early (or late)!
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/25/08 05:31 AM

I just got up, was really tired last night!
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/08 03:22 AM


Just watched 10000 BC -- not even worth much of a review or the bother with links. Okay, it wasn't as "terrible" as I was expecting after seeing some reviews -- but it's all rehash. And historically ridiculous. If it was called anything else, then I would've bought it. It was fun to watch (kinda like it being fun to watch car wrecks), but it wasn't totally awful. Just totally unoriginal if you've seen any epic-battle type films. And this wasn't even that good at that, come to think of it. Ahh well, at least I got that off of my to-see list.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/08 03:48 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Just watched 10000 BC -- not even worth much of a review or the bother with links. Okay, it wasn't as "terrible" as I was expecting after seeing some reviews -- but it's all rehash. And historically ridiculous. If it was called anything else, then I would've bought it. It was fun to watch (kinda like it being fun to watch car wrecks), but it wasn't totally awful. Just totally unoriginal if you've seen any epic-battle type films. And this wasn't even that good at that, come to think of it. Ahh well, at least I got that off of my to-see list.


Roland Emmerich is the sort of director that works with vague ideas that COULD become good movies* (dead soldiers returned to life as zombie super-troopers, invading aliens, guerilla warfare in the American backwaters, world facing ecological doomsday) but always seems to deliver idiotic mediocrity.

Anyway Geoff, want a cool caveman movie without Emmerich's stupidity? Go rent QUEST FOR FIRE.

*=Hell, look at STARGATE. Not much of a movie, but it took a TV show to make the premise actually exploited.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/08 04:11 AM


I remember the uproar when QFF came out and as a teen couldn't wait to see all the "pornography" in it! ohwell lol Saw it again a few years ago and thought it was pretty decent -- at least a bit more accurate! And certainly more than Caveman was! lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/08 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I remember the uproar when QFF came out and as a teen couldn't wait to see all the "pornography" in it! ohwell lol Saw it again a few years ago and thought it was pretty decent -- at least a bit more accurate! And certainly more than Caveman was! lol


I really didn't want to hear an old man's Horny Confessions today, but whatever.. tongue
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/08 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I really didn't want to hear an old man's Horny Confessions today, but whatever..


Anybody wanna hear my horny confessions?!!!!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/08 04:51 PM

Originally Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I really didn't want to hear an old man's Horny Confessions today, but whatever..


Anybody wanna hear my horny confessions?!!!!


Only if you pay me.

What? I'm a whore, I admit it. grin
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/08 06:13 PM

Originally Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I really didn't want to hear an old man's Horny Confessions today, but whatever..


Anybody wanna hear my horny confessions?!!!!

Coming from an 12/8 year old eek Sure, go on....
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/08 07:29 PM

Originally Posted By: svsg
Originally Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I really didn't want to hear an old man's Horny Confessions today, but whatever..


Anybody wanna hear my horny confessions?!!!!

Coming from an 12/8 year old eek Sure, go on....


Before you go on MMB....did you ever force an Out of Court settlement from Michael Jackson?

I'm just saying, don't give away free money.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/08 11:54 PM

You know I have had several people tell me that The Italian Job was really good, but I have yet to see it. I will have to check it out. smile

As far as 10,000 BC is that a remake of the old Raquel Welch film, or am I thinking of a different movie?



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/28/08 05:04 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
You know I have had several people tell me that The Italian Job was really good, but I have yet to see it. I will have to check it out. smile

As far as 10,000 BC is that a remake of the old Raquel Welch film, or am I thinking of a different movie?



TIS


Different movie, not a remake at all..........God knows Emmerich already made a shitty remake in GODZILLA, thankfully Hollywood has him banned from anymore such remakes.

But yeah TIS, I say rent the new ITALIAN JOB. Its disposable entertainment, but good disposable entertainment.
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/28/08 06:10 AM

lol
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/28/08 06:41 AM

I can't wait for Brooklyn Rules to be released on DVD!
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/28/08 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: svsg
Originally Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I really didn't want to hear an old man's Horny Confessions today, but whatever..


Anybody wanna hear my horny confessions?!!!!

Coming from an 12/8 year old eek Sure, go on....


Now he's only one and a half years old?? This is getting ridiculous...
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/28/08 09:08 PM

grin
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 06:42 AM

Originally Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss
I can't wait for Brooklyn Rules to be released on DVD!


Seriously, I'm from UK - its not out here yet!

If it was I would have seeeeennnnnnn it by now.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 06:54 AM


Still talking to yourself, huh?
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:00 AM

I was replying to Blibble - damm this Brooklyn Rules, ya know, isn't out worldwide at the same time. Now every Yankee thinks I'm lying.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:07 AM


Well, you quoted yourself, not Blibble... what was I or anyone else to think?? rolleyes
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:09 AM

I quoted myself to show what I was on about.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:11 AM


Whatever.

rolleyes

Isn't there a Teletubbies forum you cold join or something? (ouch!) wink
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:17 AM

Damm Mafia!!!!!!1
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:20 AM


Yeah!! Damn Mafia!!!!!!1

I thought rules said at least 14+ to sigh up here... ohwell
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:24 AM

You as an American should have problems with the mob, aren't they "damaging the lives of citizens by keeping the costs high"?

Or are the real problems created by the citizens and the stockholders who "want to keep the party going"?

I've been hearing some real s**t about what the USA has been getting up to lately.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:26 AM


Seriously, how old are you?
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:26 AM

26.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:31 AM


No, seriously... lol
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:36 AM

I know what you mean J Geoff - I'm talking a small bit of sense, but it's not right for the forum, people don't wanna hear that kind of thing,
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 07:43 AM


I can help you (hopefully) act normal, but it'd cost about $50/hr... whistle wink
Posted By: Ice

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 08:09 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I can help you (hopefully) act normal, but it'd cost about $50/hr... whistle wink


I'd look for a better rate, myself:

Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 08:13 AM


If you can find it for 5c, go of it! lol
Posted By: Ice

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 08:18 AM

Well, for $50/hr there better be a beej and a cup of coffee included.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 12:18 PM

Originally Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

I've been hearing some real s**t about what the USA has been getting up to lately.


Who told you this, your friend in witness protection..
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/29/08 01:50 PM

No its on the news and in the papers.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/01/08 05:35 AM


I hadn't seen The Outsiders in a while... always thought it was great, but for some reason didn't think so this time. Acting was overdone at best, and poor at worst... Music was also overdone and misplaced (and Coppola's uncle did it!)... All-Star 80's cast... but I guess nostalgia (I love'm all!, but) doesn't outweigh talent in the end... ohwell
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/01/08 05:38 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I hadn't seen The Outsiders in a while... always thought it was great, but for some reason didn't think so this time. Acting was overdone at best, and poor at worst... Music was also overdone and misplaced (and Coppola's uncle did it!)... All-Star 80's cast... but I guess nostalgia (I love'm all!, but) doesn't outweigh talent in the end... ohwell



Seen Coppola's Director's Cut?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/01/08 05:48 AM


No, there's a newer version? Haven't seen it. But was never disappointed w/ the original -- before tonight....
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/01/08 06:44 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

No, there's a newer version? Haven't seen it. But was never disappointed w/ the original -- before tonight....


Its on DVD, and with a pretty good FF Coppola audio commentary track (but he's always great on the stick)....I say check it out from Netflix.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/02/08 05:28 AM


Brainscan (1994), starring Ed Furlong, is a little piece of shit of a film, eh? The potential was enormous, but the final result was quite... meh. ohwell
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/05/08 06:45 AM

Guys, watch Walle. Pretty good smile
Posted By: MiniMafiaBoss

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/05/08 10:01 AM

I've just watched Sniper. The one where the two coloured guys shot people in Washington State. I remember seeing it on the news and this brought it all back.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/10/08 04:48 AM


I don't recall where the conversation was, but upon a few recommendations, I watched The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) tonight -- very enjoyable! Sure, the F/X leave a lot to be desired - I could clearly see the strings holding the girl up when the robot was carrying her! But makes no difference - a fine film, and an even better message! cool
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/10/08 05:55 AM

Yes, I saw that recently too Geoff and it was quite enjoyable. I wonder how the remake will do compared to the original (my money's on not as good)
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/10/08 07:11 AM

I'm glad you enjoyed the movie, Geoff. As I said earlier, it's my favorite sci-fi movie of all time.

Yes, it is dated, but it still holds up today. The other great sci-fi flick from 1951, "The Thing", had a different message - that being the Armed Forces should be allowed to handle matters of national security. "The Day the Earth Stood Still" left us with a completely different direction - that a military solution would not solve our problems. (Remember, both of these great flicks were made only a few years after a world war).

I love the idea of a greater power than we have, whether it be a God or a race of robots designed to stop war at all cost. Imagine that power (of being able to obliterate the earth in a simple way!!).
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/08 03:19 AM


I waited weeks to receive National Treasure: Book of Secrets (2007) from NetFlix -- I liked the first one, and like movies like this in general. But WTF? By halfway thru it seemed to fall into a shroud of bullshit and sub-par Indiana Jones shit... What was that about?? ohwell
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/08 04:22 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I waited weeks to receive National Treasure: Book of Secrets (2007) from NetFlix -- I liked the first one, and like movies like this in general. But WTF? By halfway thru it seemed to fall into a shroud of bullshit and sub-par Indiana Jones shit... What was that about?? ohwell



Umm, wasn't both movies sub-par Indy Jones shit?*

And really, wasn't that "Roman/Greek/Egyptian" Mason treasure pretty much "a shroud of bullshit" as well?

*=Not that necessarily is a bad thing, those NATIONAL TREASURE pictures are what they are....which to me is going through the motions but lack anything interesting beyond being inspired by the (equal stupidity) of the DA VINCI CODE. Plus, Nic Cage as a scholar? What a laugh...:D
Posted By: The Iceman

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 03:43 AM

Early this morning I watched The Lady is a Vamp from movies on demand. I'm pissed that I spent $3.99 on that piece of crap. The only thing that I'm glad about is that I didn't waste gas on top of it.

Avoid this movie at all costs, I normally like movies that deal with that genre but not this one.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 05:32 AM


Not sure, but I don't think Comcast rents pornos OnDemand... lol
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 06:43 AM

really? Time warner does. But why pay when you can get it for free wink
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 06:49 AM

Death at a Funeral
Frank Oz (2007)


I wouldn't consider this movie a classic but it's a comedy worth watching once. Although I'll probably give it a second watch because I keep thinking about several parts of the movie long after I've watched it. The plot is simple. There is a funeral and everything goes wrong including one of the attendants freaking out while on an acid trip induced by a pill he thought was valium given to him by his girlfriend.

It is silly, odd humor throughout the movie and it works very well. My only criticism is that it comes to a very sudden end but everything leading up to it is so funny that it is still worth the viewing.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 10:10 AM

Going to see Hancock this afternoon..
Posted By: Santino Brasi

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 10:13 AM

Nice
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 02:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Death at a Funeral
Frank Oz (2007)


I wouldn't consider this movie a classic but it's a comedy worth watching once. Although I'll probably give it a second watch because I keep thinking about several parts of the movie long after I've watched it. The plot is simple. There is a funeral and everything goes wrong including one of the attendants freaking out while on an acid trip induced by a pill he thought was valium given to him by his girlfriend.

It is silly, odd humor throughout the movie and it works very well. My only criticism is that it comes to a very sudden end but everything leading up to it is so funny that it is still worth the viewing.


Now that is a review worthy of DEATH AT A FUNERAL. Good job Blib!
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 04:04 PM

I watched "The Bone Collector" (with Denzel Washington and Angelina Jolie) for the first time last night. Washington plays a crippled cop who used to specialize in crime scene investigations and Jolie plays a young beat cop. They team up to try to solve a series of grisly murders in this suspenseful movie.

There's little remarkable about the flick and despite Denzel being in it, I was disappointed in the overall outcome of it. If you have 2 hours to kill and nothing else to do, then it's worth a look, but you can find better movies to watch.

Two stars (out of four).
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 04:09 PM

I did see it too SC, but a year or so ago. You're right, not remarkable, but I think I liked it just a tad better than you, as I'd probably go a little over two stars.( 2 1/2) lol I like most of Denzel's work that I've seen and Jolie did well too. I'd probably tune in and watch again since it's been while. I can't think of the name of it, but did you ever see the supernatural type thriller Denzel was in? The title escapes me but John Goodman co-starred. confused Not terribly popular but I liked it.


TIS
Posted By: Beth E

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 04:41 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I can't think of the name of it, but did you ever see the supernatural type thriller Denzel was in? The title escapes me but John Goodman co-starred. confused Not terribly popular but I liked it.


TIS


Would that be "Fallen"?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 04:49 PM

That's it Beth. Thanks!! wink



TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/08 05:18 PM

Time is on my side... Remember that song in "Fallen"?

That movie scared the heck out of me. And it had a really good cast. In addition to Denzel and Goodman there was also Donald Sutherland and James Gandolfini.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/14/08 09:23 AM

THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM.

Watched this Saturday night and i did enjoy it but really it was no different from the first 2 eh?

It had the obligatory confused Bourne,the flashbacks,the crazy car chase and the wicked fist fight with another agent!!

I did enjoy it though.

Honest smile
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/14/08 02:18 PM

MR. SATURDAY NIGHT (1992) ***

I caught this highly overlooked film last night on basic cable.

It's a very personal project for Billy Crystal, who directs and stars as Buddy Young, Jr., an aging, bitter comedian whose life throughout four decades is explored in this picture.

Starting with some terrific lines about the mountains of not-particularly-healthy food that awaited them at dinnertime, Buddy and his brother, Stan (David Paymer) entertain for the family. Years pass and Buddy's brother is now his manager. The film bounces back and forth throughout the years, occasionally returning to the present, where Buddy is now entertaining senior centers and not getting the same sort of reaction he got years prior. His brother believes that it's finally time to close the curtain on his career.

The film really walks a fine line between being too sentimental and genuinely heartbreaking. There's a particular quality about David Paymer's terrific performance that allows him to be intelligent, hurt and sympathetic; after years of withstanding Buddy's sarcastic comments and insults, he realizes that when he says that "he can't do this anymore" this time, he really means it. This takes place in an early scene in a diner - Buddy's gotten older, but there's finally a flicker of recognition after all these years that he may have hurt or neglected those who have loved him.

Crystal's performance is the best of a series of fine efforts contained in the film. You get the feeling that he knows a wealth comedians similar to Buddy Young, Jr. He has the timing down, he connects with the sort of arc that some of these entertainers must face, going with the lows and highs of the great years until they finally find themselves fading. As previously noted, Paymer's performance is a delight; the two work off one another believably and really seem like brothers. Julie Warner is sweet and engaging as Crystal's wife, while Helen Hunt is fine in an early performance as a possible new agent for Buddy.

If anything, Crystal could have even made the film even better had some editing been done. At a run time of around two hours, there are a few scenes that could have been deleted to help the pace of the film. As is, it's not a groundbreaking or hugely memorable picture, but there's some really poignant and sharply funny moments, as well as strong performances.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/14/08 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM.

Watched this Saturday night and i did enjoy it but really it was no different from the first 2 eh?

It had the obligatory confused Bourne,the flashbacks,the crazy car chase and the wicked fist fight with another agent!!

I did enjoy it though.

Honest smile


Well, different from the first BOURNE at least in terms of the editing narrative....

Funny thing is, THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM said more successfully of what's wrong, if you want to view it that way, with 9/11 America than any of those 2007 flops (IN THE VALLEY OF ELAH, LIONS FOR LAMBS, REDACTED etc.) did.

Anyway, I think its the best of the trilogy, and a perfect ending for it.

THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM (2007) - ****1/2
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/14/08 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

It's a very personal project for Billy Crystal, who directs and stars as Buddy Young, Jr., an aging, bitter comedian whose life throughout four decades is explored in this picture.


Does anyone remember the title of the movie starring Billy Crystal and it is about the character's relationship with his father? I think Billy Crystal is a doctor or something in that movie. I remember liking the movie, don't know if I'll like it on a rewatch.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/14/08 04:55 PM

Originally Posted By: svsg
Does anyone remember the title of the movie starring Billy Crystal and it is about the character's relationship with his father?


"Memories of Me"??
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/14/08 05:38 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: svsg
Does anyone remember the title of the movie starring Billy Crystal and it is about the character's relationship with his father?


"Memories of Me"??


Alan King was just great in that film.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/15/08 10:12 PM

The Big Lebowski, a touching movie about Vietnam and bowling.
Posted By: Beth E

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/08 02:40 AM

I watched World Trade Center for about the 3rd time. Nothing beats seeing it in the theatre though. I know some who say they can never watch the movie. But I feel the movie is more uplifting in showing how strangers came together to help each other. Even knowing what the outcome is I still cheer and get emotional at the rescues. The movie showed the confusion in the beginning, when no one knew the second tower was hit. I felt like yelling at the screen that they were wrong.

The final moments of the movie are riveting. Staff Sargeant Karnes telling Will, "We're the marines, you are our mission" still gets me every time I hear it.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/08 02:26 PM

I saw World Trade Center on the big screen. It was the worst film I saw that year.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/08 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
I saw World Trade Center on the big screen. It was the worst film I saw that year.


What I think disapointed me was how in that same year, we also got Paul Greengrass' intelligent and daunty UNITED 93.

When Oliver Stone is no longer the one pushing our cerebral buttons...that's a sign that he's over the hill.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/08 05:20 PM

When was Oliver Stone ever pushing our cerebral buttons?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/21/08 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
When was Oliver Stone ever pushing our cerebral buttons?


Let me rephrase that....remember when Oliver Stone was worth a shit as a Director?
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/21/08 02:22 PM

It's a simple true-life story that could have been set in any building anywhere; its title, specific to 9/11, is only because of the historical proximity to the actual events (it may as well have been called "Towering Inferno", or "Rubble Film"). I agree with you, RRA; United 93 presented a much wider, more intelligent handling of the events in both humane and political terms, and on aesthetic grounds it aped Stone's TV drama (though to compare the films too much would be unfair, with their very different intentions).

To be honest, it isn't horrendous. My problems are thus (written at the time):

Stone's film has no real energy, no real explosive or electric rhythm, no narrative drive. It's not a bad film by any means - in fact it's rather watchable - but it's decidedly ordinary. It looks like a TV movie, viewable to all, with intentions of inspiration and shortcomings in production value. Two moments of mild effect - when the first tower falls, with the men inside, and when the two survivors first hear help above on the ground. It's a conventional film, though, about an extraordinary event; and what is it that makes Nicolas Cage far more enjoyable to watch when he's deliberately and physically disabled under a pile of rubble, as opposed to a pro-active, no-shit member of the emergency services...? Flat.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/21/08 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra


Stone's film has no real energy, no real explosive or electric rhythm, no narrative drive. It's not a bad film by any means - in fact it's rather watchable - but it's decidedly ordinary. It looks like a TV movie, viewable to all, with intentions of inspiration and shortcomings in production value. Two moments of mild effect - when the first tower falls, with the men inside, and when the two survivors first hear help above on the ground. It's a conventional film, though, about an extraordinary event; and what is it that makes Nicolas Cage far more enjoyable to watch when he's deliberately and physically disabled under a pile of rubble, as opposed to a pro-active, no-shit member of the emergency services...? Flat.


I ABSOLUTELY agree with you on this point, and if I remember right, I got in serious heat with a BB.Net senior because I had written that I "never made to give a shit about the family's drama," which he interpreted as me disrespecting the real-life 9/11 families....which I absolutely don't at all.

What I thought was weird back in 2005 was how an Oliver Stone cinematic treatment on a subject was the less controversial picture compared to Greengrass' UNITED 93, which had that infamous "Too Soon!" incident in that NYC theatre. Nevermind UNITED 93's trouble with the Screen Actor's Guild because Greengrass had a non-union cast, and if rumors are to be believed, SAG did its very best to blackball U93 at Awards Season, though enough voters came through to land Greengrass a Best Director nod.

The only good thing from WORLD TRADE CENTER to me is that it gave Oliver Stone a rebound of sorts after the great failure of ALEXANDER, and who knows, maybe his controversial W this winter will be his comeback.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/22/08 02:10 PM

hey Irish I just bought my DVD's number 1 and 2 for my collection! (GoodFellas and The Big Lebowski) - by the way, who is that funny guy Mortimery Young?? I've also seen him in the Blood Simple DVD.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/22/08 10:46 PM

I am looking forward to seeing the new X-Files movie, which starts this weekend. They have been very sketchy with the previews and details of the film. confused Anyway, I've always been a fan of the show and even these years later, I look forward to seeing this movie.

TIS
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/23/08 12:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Tony Mosrite
hey Irish I just bought my DVD's number 1 and 2 for my collection! (GoodFellas and The Big Lebowski) - by the way, who is that funny guy Mortimery Young?? I've also seen him in the Blood Simple DVD.


Good choices my friend. Only a few more to go to catch me (I'm up to 799 BTW) tongue Sorry, I don't know the answer to your question
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/23/08 01:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Tony Mosrite
by the way, who is that funny guy Mortimery Young?? I've also seen him in the Blood Simple DVD.
He's a fictional film historian who gives insightful introductions to the Coen Brothers' films; I believe it's a spoof.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/25/08 08:04 PM

yeah that's what I thought. thanks.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/28/08 04:09 AM



PASSENGER 57 (1992) - **1/2

Action movies like these always have an opening that either displays the badass credentials of the hero, or the diabolical capability of the villain. With PASSENGER 57, it’s the latter where you have Bruce Payne at a cosmetics practice to get some plastic surgery when the FBI busts in. Payne takes a scalpel, slits the surgeon's throat, then jumps out the window of a two-story building, crashing hard into the cafe below without anything to soften his fall...but he gets up and runs away without a scratch. It's such a ludicrous opening, but I kept watching.

Later, this whack job is advised by his attorney to seek an insanity defense, which prompts a beat down until the lawyer is made to utter over and over that his client isn't crazy. Can you really blame Payne though? I mean, I'm sure the admission of mental disease hurts your stock as a free agent terrorist, perhaps because clients may think you're unstable or unreliable, and the guy has gotta pay his bills somehow.

If you went to see action at the cinema in the late 1980s and early 1990s, you already know the plot: Terrorists hijack, civilians held hostage, hero at the wrong place at the wrong time happens to be in proximity, and he kicks alot of ass. What is unique about PASSENGER 57 is that among all the DIE HARD knock-offs, this is arguably the sole blaxploitation entry. I guess I could also count HALF PAST DEAD, but that sucked so fuck it.

Consider how the hero Wesley Snipes is seated on the plane next to a Jewish Grandmother, who mistakes him for Arsenio Hall. It's a quite funny scene of Snipes' eyes during that whole ordeal, and because of the stereotype that white eyes can't tell the difference between those black people. This just me, but both Snipes and Payne should fire their travel agent for booking them on the same flight. "Oh and Mr. Payne/Snipes, I should tell you out of courtesy that the best counter-terrorism expert/airline hijacker in America is also on your plane. Smoking or Non-Smoking?"

Then later when Snipes is thrown off the captive plane during landing, the redneck police rough him up and don't believe him at all because why would a black guy in the middle of an airport be doing but causing trouble, right? In fact, the hick sheriff actually seems to take the white baddie's word for granted that Snipes is one of the terrorists. Sorry dude, but you're a racist dumbass for trusting some evil British asshole over Blade. Then there is the epilogue where Snipes' Caucasian schmuck buddy Tom Sizemore (before he was the druggie who beat up Heidi Fleiss) takes credit for saving the day, while Snipes goes off to score some hot hero sex. But most of all, we get the picture's sole cool one-liner: "Always bet on black!"

Shaft would be so proud.

Yeah I'm rambling here about PASSENGER 57 because it's not just formulaic, its practically a rerun of the Steven Seagal vehicle UNDER SIEGE. Both have heroes that are former governmental warriors who are locked up (Seagal in meat locker, Snipes in bathroom) when the shit goes down, both have female sidekicks, both fighting a lunatic super-hijacker, both take place primarily on a moving vehicle, both kill their adversary in a fist fight, both were produced by Warner Bros., and both in fact came out in 1992. Weird.

But the difference is that while UNDER SIEGE was a pretty good flick, and the king of the DIE HARD clones, PASSENGER 57 is more SUDDEN DEATH in being uninspired as running the genre playbook with the clichés. You have the retired hero who got his wife killed, so he's trying to gain redemption. Payne is a calm quiet generic as hell psychopathic because he enjoys killing passengers, every cop but Snipes is incompetent, he also happens to be an expert motorcyclist, he kills the henchmen one at a time, etc.

It doesn't help how despite being trapped on a plane during flight, and escaping by an elevator, the hijackers easily could have found and killed them in such a cramp limited space. I mean I can buy such sneaking and hiding in a skyscraper or battleship, but this is ridiculous. The whole carnival setpiece sorta comes off as more campy than exciting, and also how did Snipes even know the crooks would be heading there? Hell, why didn't they simply steal a car from the airport parking lot?

That said, PASSENGER 57 is still entertaining in a mindless disposable sort of way, but I won't recommend this to casual viewers. But if you're an action junkie and a fan of Snipes before he went to jail, it's perfect when you're home alone on a Friday night with pizza and booze. Plus, one of Payne's hijackers is a younger Elizabeth Hurley. You know, that pretty British model that couldn't act her way out of a paper bag to save her life, but was admittedly surely hot before she got preggers and disappeared on us. So if you are really really home alone, at least you'll save some money.

But only idiots actually pay for porn, or mess with Snipes.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/28/08 04:29 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


But only idiots actually pay for porn, or mess with Snipes.



Those darn federal idiots!

From The Times
April 25, 2008

Wesley Snipes given three years for tax evasion

Wesley Snipes was sentenced to three years imprisonment last night for his “brazen defiance” of the US taxman.

The 45-year-old Hollywood actor, who has starred in films including Blade, White Men Can’t Jump and Demolition Man, was given the maximum sentence possible after prosecutors described him to a court in Ocala, Florida, as a “truly notorious offender.” He did not have to go to prison immediately but must surrender to custody at a later date
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/28/08 04:33 AM

Seems excessive.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/28/08 05:18 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


PASSENGER 57 (1992) - **1/2

Action movies like these always have an opening that either displays the badass credentials of the hero, or the diabolical capability of the villain. With PASSENGER 57, it’s the latter where you have Bruce Payne at a cosmetics practice to get some plastic surgery when the FBI busts in. Payne takes a scalpel, slits the surgeon's throat, then jumps out the window of a two-story building, crashing hard into the cafe below without anything to soften his fall...but he gets up and runs away without a scratch. It's such a ludicrous opening, but I kept watching.

Later, this whack job is advised by his attorney to seek an insanity defense, which prompts a beat down until the lawyer is made to utter over and over that his client isn't crazy. Can you really blame Payne though? I mean, I'm sure the admission of mental disease hurts your stock as a free agent terrorist, perhaps because clients may think you're unstable or unreliable, and the guy has gotta pay his bills somehow.

If you went to see action at the cinema in the late 1980s and early 1990s, you already know the plot: Terrorists hijack, civilians held hostage, hero at the wrong place at the wrong time happens to be in proximity, and he kicks alot of ass. What is unique about PASSENGER 57 is that among all the DIE HARD knock-offs, this is arguably the sole blaxploitation entry. I guess I could also count HALF PAST DEAD, but that sucked so fuck it.

Consider how the hero Wesley Snipes is seated on the plane next to a Jewish Grandmother, who mistakes him for Arsenio Hall. It's a quite funny scene of Snipes' eyes during that whole ordeal, and because of the stereotype that white eyes can't tell the difference between those black people. This just me, but both Snipes and Payne should fire their travel agent for booking them on the same flight. "Oh and Mr. Payne/Snipes, I should tell you out of courtesy that the best counter-terrorism expert/airline hijacker in America is also on your plane. Smoking or Non-Smoking?"

Then later when Snipes is thrown off the captive plane during landing, the redneck police rough him up and don't believe him at all because why would a black guy in the middle of an airport be doing but causing trouble, right? In fact, the hick sheriff actually seems to take the white baddie's word for granted that Snipes is one of the terrorists. Sorry dude, but you're a racist dumbass for trusting some evil British asshole over Blade. Then there is the epilogue where Snipes' Caucasian schmuck buddy Tom Sizemore (before he was the druggie who beat up Heidi Fleiss) takes credit for saving the day, while Snipes goes off to score some hot hero sex. But most of all, we get the picture's sole cool one-liner: "Always bet on black!"

Shaft would be so proud.

Yeah I'm rambling here about PASSENGER 57 because it's not just formulaic, its practically a rerun of the Steven Seagal vehicle UNDER SIEGE. Both have heroes that are former governmental warriors who are locked up (Seagal in meat locker, Snipes in bathroom) when the shit goes down, both have female sidekicks, both fighting a lunatic super-hijacker, both take place primarily on a moving vehicle, both kill their adversary in a fist fight, both were produced by Warner Bros., and both in fact came out in 1992. Weird.

But the difference is that while UNDER SIEGE was a pretty good flick, and the king of the DIE HARD clones, PASSENGER 57 is more SUDDEN DEATH in being uninspired as running the genre playbook with the clichés. You have the retired hero who got his wife killed, so he's trying to gain redemption. Payne is a calm quiet generic as hell psychopathic because he enjoys killing passengers, every cop but Snipes is incompetent, he also happens to be an expert motorcyclist, he kills the henchmen one at a time, etc.

It doesn't help how despite being trapped on a plane during flight, and escaping by an elevator, the hijackers easily could have found and killed them in such a cramp limited space. I mean I can buy such sneaking and hiding in a skyscraper or battleship, but this is ridiculous. The whole carnival setpiece sorta comes off as more campy than exciting, and also how did Snipes even know the crooks would be heading there? Hell, why didn't they simply steal a car from the airport parking lot?

That said, PASSENGER 57 is still entertaining in a mindless disposable sort of way, but I won't recommend this to casual viewers. But if you're an action junkie and a fan of Snipes before he went to jail, it's perfect when you're home alone on a Friday night with pizza and booze. Plus, one of Payne's hijackers is a younger Elizabeth Hurley. You know, that pretty British model that couldn't act her way out of a paper bag to save her life, but was admittedly surely hot before she got preggers and disappeared on us. So if you are really really home alone, at least you'll save some money.

But only idiots actually pay for porn, or mess with Snipes.


RRA, how do you decide what movie you will watch next and review? Some of your reviews seem to be of movies that come out of nowhere.

And I'm not complaining. Just curious.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/28/08 02:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble


RRA, how do you decide what movie you will watch next and review? Some of your reviews seem to be of movies that come out of nowhere.

And I'm not complaining. Just curious.[/quote]

Oh they really do come out of nowhere.

Sometimes its whatever I've been getting through Netflix (like PASSENGER 57), or sometimes something that happens to be on TV which sparks me to review (like TIMECOP).

Maybe I'm just a sucker for action movies. I mean who else is gonna try to be an aficiondo of such a thing here or at FCM?

Tell you what Blibble....guess what my next review is gonna be, and you get to pick my next review.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/28/08 03:22 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble


Tell you what Blibble....guess what my next review is gonna be, and you get to pick my next review.


Yeah, Blib. Just don't ask him to review PRINCE OF THE CITY. tongue
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/28/08 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble


Tell you what Blibble....guess what my next review is gonna be, and you get to pick my next review.


Yeah, Blib. Just don't ask him to review PRINCE OF THE CITY. tongue


That's coming! grin

Come on, you need a 1,000 word rambling from me on how awesome PRINCE is? Its like you writing a 1,000 review of the Bush Administration. Do we really need it? tongue

I kid, I'm just swamped and my next review is a deadline up my ass that's just a pain right now.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/08 05:39 PM


Anyone see that "gross-out" stinker Waiting... (2005)? Okay, it wasn't entirely bad -- quite humorous in spots -- but overall meh, compared to American Pie, etc. ohwell Tho it will probably often prevent me from sending food back at a restaurant! eek I can't help but wonder how many of us have consumed things we didn't quite intend to.... whistle sick
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/08 05:51 PM

Where's DMS in your rental queue, JG? Get to it pronto.

Also, watch The Wire. Or at least rent the first season.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/08 05:56 PM


DMS is #5 (less, really, since 21 and The Bank Job are on the waiting list). Been watching subsequent Torchwood DVDs in between other titles...

I added The Wire recently (in the 300's of the queue, but will probably raise it up). Also the new Dr Who (which I didn't know existed) to see what Torchwood background there is...
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/08 06:03 PM

300 titles in your queue? That's ridiculous.

In fact, that deserves a beating.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/08 06:42 PM


A lot of them are multi-disc series titles, so, more like 250 tongue lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/01/08 07:56 PM



TREMORS (1990) - ***1/2

I love movies when they don't immediately reveal themselves for what they are. If every other horror movie opens with a kill or a scare tease, TREMORS spends its first 15 minutes or so with Kevin Bacon and Fred Ward as roughnecks making a living from clearing out garbage and emptying septic tanks, bitching about wanting to escape from Perfection, Nevada when they meet up with a cute seismologist chick. See if you didn't know any better, you would think that you had mistakenly rented a buddy roadtrip/romantic comedy.

I think a successful genre movie is one that is working with a horror template that we've seen administered a thousand times before, afterwards, and mostly terrible, but still produce something so matinee fresh and infectiously goofy fun. I think a key reason for TREMORS working is that for a 90 minute creature feature, director Ron Underwood lets his film take its time in introducing the characters and visually laying out the geography of this glorified rest stop in the middle of the desert, so that when the shit hits the fan (or more like the dirt), we know where we are always during the narrative, and actually care about the outcome. In other words, this is the Anti-30 DAYS OF NIGHT.

Much like the 1950s Monster movies that TREMORS is lovingly aping, Underwood has us learn the "rules" about these star beasts scene by scene, showing us instead of some goddamn awkward talky exposition. Take when Bacon and Ward try to escape the town the first time around when they come upon a friend of theirs, stuck on top of an electrical tower, dead for three days from dehydration, with a firm finite grip on his Winchester Rifle. What would cause someone to stay up that high for days until they died of thirst? Because they can sense the "tremors" from your footsteps. Later when the duo try to get out again, they happen upon dead sheep and a hat inside a weird crater, which reveals the head of a victim.They can grab and eat you from underground. Get on top of a building or a giant rock, you're okay. They can travel through loose soil, but not solid objects.

You get the point, and grin wide, when Bacon and Ward declare together: Oh Shit!

There are two cool if simple shots that Underwood should be proud of. First, when a car is being dragged to an Earthly grave by the critters, the radio is accidentally turned on. The next day when Bacon and Ward visit the site, they hear the muffled music, dig until they discover the buried grill of the station wagon, with the headlights still on. Second, when someone in the village says that surely the phone company would notice that their lines have been severed, we cut immediately to a company truck with only two hard-hats and some blood stains at the scene. Really, it's hard to believe that the same director would later shoot the atrocious Eddie Murphy flop THE ADVENTURES OF PLUTO NASH.

Anyway, let's admit that the whole concept of the "Graboids" is pretty damn creative for the genre. They're like the midget-size sand worms from DUNE, with snake tentacles reaching out of their mouths, the srength of a bulldozer, but the intelligence of a dog. But the secret reason for them being underground dwellers is that you don't necessarily need to show them constantly to create thrills or tension, and save money on the FX budget. Like the shark in JAWS, just have a fence rattle, a sign fall down, or a building crumble just to know where these unseen pests are at all times.

But the ice-breaker may in fact be the humor. People want to compare this to GREMLINS, but I say it's more in the tradition of THE BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN. With the kills and scares, there is a cheese camp element to them, as if the filmmakers are saying to us, "we're making a thriller here, but if this and that makes you laugh, you have our permission." Or at least that is my impression when Bacon punches one of the snake-tentacles. Plus, he also gives us a memorable if idiotic one-liner: "Who died and made you Einstein?!?"

But the biggest barrell of laughs comes from Michael Gross. His part clearly was meant to mock those survivalist gun-nut types, you know the sort with the wet dream that RED DAWN really would happen? I mean look at the casting of Gross, who was the hippie Dad on FAMILY TIES. Yet with his tongue and cheek demeanor, Gross somehow takes a parody and reverses it into sheer awesomeness.

The best scene in TREMORS is when a Graboid invades his basement, and he and his wife empty every machine gun and firearms they own in their insane arsenal, without inflicting any damage. It finally takes a goddman Elephant Gun(!) through the mouth to kill it. Gross nearly steals the show in TREMORS, and in fact would later become the star of the direct-to-video sequels for TREMORS and even the short-lived television series.

TREMORS is quite a pretty darn good movie, even if I think Bacon's redneck accent is too cartoonishly all over the place for my taste, but Ward is blue-collar money here. The casting of Victor Wong is cool, considering he ruled in John Carpenter's BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA and PRINCE OF DARKNESS, but damn did his character have to be the cliche greedy Asian businessman?

Also, if the Graboids are blind, then what is up with the Point-of-View shots of them in the soil?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/08 05:21 AM


Rambo (2008)... perhaps the most anticipated action-dramady of the year. Haha, just kidding! But Oy vey. Sure, it gets some points for heightening the Burmese situation, but the rest of it? Ugh... worst effects I've seen in 20 years probably. Lame. ohwell ...and this is coming from a fan of many lame films.

ONLY see this if you're (somehow) a HUGE fan of the franchise... or, if the Saw clown says you have to to live. Otherwise, just lob your foot off.






Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/08 02:16 PM

Rambo might be the worst film I've ever paid to see. Either that, or Danny Boyle's Millions. Or Leonard Cohen: I'm Your Man.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/08 04:40 PM

I haven't seen Rambo, and I probably won't now since I'm often a fan of bad movies like J Geoff, but the worst movie I've seen is Diary of the Dead.

I think it would normally be just another bad movie but because I've become such a big fan of George A. Romero's zombie movies I was so disappointed in his latest. Where Night of the Living Dead had a subtle social commentary, Diary just drills it into your head every second of the movie and it misses a chance to make another good zombie film. I could go on and on about why it's the worst movie I've ever seen but I won't unless someone actually wants to hear me complain for pages and pages.

Capo, I'm still waiting for WetDog's review. He surprisingly defended it without having seen it when I wrote my review over there. Have you seen it?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/08 04:53 PM

Just watched Darlin' Clementine with Henry Fonda and Robert Mitchum about Wyatt Earp. It's B&W and it has no score. The storyline is somewhat different from Tombstone and Wyatt Earp. For one, there's no exploration of the characters, their motivations, etc. In it Doc is killed and a woman gets shot on whom Doc operates. The gunfight at OK Corral is almost anti-climatic and is not staged in a very dramatic way, certainly without any of the suspense of the latter two films. I don't imagine that Fonda and Mitchum thought it was one of their better efforts. I'm surprised somewhat by that because the film was issued in 1948 which doesn't make it all that old.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/08 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Also, watch The Wire. Or at least rent the first season.


As soon as you suggested The Wire to me months ago I put it number one on my queue and I still haven't received it yet. It is never available.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/08 06:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
As soon as you suggested The Wire to me months ago I put it number one on my queue and I still haven't received it yet. It is never available.


Netflix says it's available "Now" for me (tho it's in the 300's of my queue at the moment, but destined to be raised up soon)... maybe it's regional...
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/08 06:09 PM

Well I still use Blockbuster, so maybe that's why I can't get it. I would switch to Netflix but I'm not paying that much more and with kids in the house it really comes in handy to take the online rentals and exchange them at the store at a moments notice.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/08 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Tell you what Blibble....guess what my next review is gonna be, and you get to pick my next review.


The new mummy movie? Whether I'm right or wrong, please review Dead Alive (1992) if you haven't already. I would love to hear what you have to say about it grin

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/03/08 06:28 AM

Actually, its not MUMMY 3...but just because I'm reviewing that this week anyway, alright a DEAD ALIVE review coming up!*

*=Whenever I get around to it. tongue
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/03/08 06:28 AM



TRON (1982) - ***1/2

http://www.getthebigpicture.net/blog/2008/7/27/comic-con-teaser-for-tron-2-now-online.html

The big surprise at this year's San Diego Comic Con, the Super Bowl for geeks, was Disney's unveiling of their teaser clip for TR2N, the sequel to their 1982 cult classic. Jeff Bridges, the protagonist from the original TRON, will return apparently as the villain who's gone off into the deep end of the mainframe with his IRON MAN evil beard, and is like now a digital Colonel Kurtz. The horror! The horror!

You know how with certain movies, the reviews always say the same stuff? With TRON, everyone writes that it is "a visual effects extravaganza that was a technological cinema milestone for a generation." What I'll add though is that for a film that was a box-office dud for Disney (so much that the vintage official arcade game made a bigger profit!)TRON left quite an impression on said generation, and you've seen them give homage from FAMILY GUY to Moby to KINGDOM HEARTS II to a Honda car commercial to the Tron Guy on YouTube to SOUTH PARK (Moses anyone?)

The picture was attacked at the time and still today by some as a shallow laser lightshow, yet surely if that was the case, would people still care about it, much less generate enough buzz to get a sequel produced?

Perhaps it's because TRON, along with WARGAMES and THE LAST STARFIGHTER, successfully translated the video game fantasy, where we the audience and our love and rather useless knowledge for gaming is delegated into a proxy hero who uses them to save the day. In this case, its computer programmer/game guru Jeff Bridges, who is hacking into the MCP (Master Control Program) mainframe of a corporation that stole his designs when the MCP atomizes him into the software as a hapless program set for deletion. Will The Dude escape in time?!?

Yet as a child, while I liked TRON and all, it was my least favorite of this "Gamer" trilogy. For a would-be summer blockbuster marketed to children under the family-friendly Walt Disney label, the first act of TRON is throwing people and environments into a static narrative, without quick linear explanation of who they are or what the hell is going on, and lots of dialogue. You know, plotting. Once the second act kicks in, TRON ties up everything nicely but with kids and their short attention spans, maybe that's why back then I always fast-forwarded my VHS copy (or "Skip Chapters" for you kids who only know DVD) to when Bridges entered the computer.

Watching TRON again with adult eyes, I was shocked to find that I actually enjoyed it much more now. The story combines two great spoiled plot devices of sci-fi fantasy: That of a self-aware super Artificial Intelligence trying to kill off humanity, and rebels within a fantastical setting trying to overthrow a tyrant. The script is forgettable, predictable, and its paper-thin characters are rather disposable, but dammit I found myself getting involved with this adventure once again.

Director/co-writer Steve Lisberger never did anything else worth a spit afterwards, but I must give him credit for making me sorta care about these cliches. I mean, with those poor programs from henchmen to prisoners killed or deleted, I really now feel like a Nazi for emptying my junk e-mail of pornography earlier today.

It's an understatement *cough* to say that early 1980s popcorn cinema like TRON was obviously inspired by STAR WARS (i.e. ripped off), but unlike say THE LAST STARFIGHTER, we must give TRON applause in trying for better or for worse, trial and error, pass and failure, to create on its own a unique visual aesthetic universe like George Lucas' masterpiece did.

The famed then-groundbreaking CGI animation is undeniably dated, but I say they're still enjoyably dated like Ray Harryhausen in that those old school effects still produce a sense of joy from within me. Take the legendary lightcycle sequence, still impressive and fun 27 years on, and just remember that they used editing to hide the fact that this was before they figured out how to combine moving CGI with live-action footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3ODe9mqoDE&feature=related

Would you believe that TRON was disqualified for the Best Special Effects Oscar because the Academy thought it "cheated" in using computers? And I thought CRASH winning Best Picture was ridiculous...

But what really surprised me, and doesn't get enough credit I suppose, is beyond the CGI. All the scenes within "the computer" were filmed in black & white, which were then traced with color by rotoscoping and photography in post-production. So as a result we have many bright livid garish lights contrasting with the dead gray blurry "ghost" faces of these electronic creatures, TRON just gives off a surreal as hell iconic visualization that was just intoxicating for my eyes. Then again, I guess this is what you would expect from an art direction designed by comic book artist Jean "Moebius" Giraud (he later stylized THE FIFTH ELEMENT) and famed futurist Syd Mead, who also worked on another summer '82 flop in BLADE RUNNER. My only complaint at this process is that since the backgrounds tended to be blue, the same color as the good guys, we get I think too many spots of unintended fading.

So yeah, it's nice to know that TRON was actually pretty good, and in fact I'm intrigued by this announced sequel, especially with news that PIXAR's John Lasseter is producing TR2N. If TRON was shot when most folks were technobabble useless, imagine that tale continued today when everyone is carrying around an iPod or drive with TomTom in their cars. Consider the utopian freedom of information promised in TRON failing into a nightmarish dystopia of slavery.

We won't get TR2N until summer 2010, but if that teaser shown at Comic Con indicates anything, to quote THE DARK KNIGHT: "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/03/08 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Capo, I'm still waiting for WetDog's review. He surprisingly defended it without having seen it when I wrote my review over there. Have you seen it?
Don't expect an end to your wait. Rejoice if there is one.

I've not seen it; I saw Land of the Dead when it came out and thought it was atrocious. Really liked the other three, though.
Posted By: BDuff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/04/08 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Capo, I'm still waiting for WetDog's review. He surprisingly defended it without having seen it when I wrote my review over there. Have you seen it?
Don't expect an end to your wait. Rejoice if there is one.

I've not seen it; I saw Land of the Dead when it came out and thought it was atrocious. Really liked the other three, though.


I really like the first two, especially Dawn of the Dead. Day of the Dead was a snooze fest for about an hour or so in, it had pacing issues.


I saw Step Brothers the other day, I gotta admit...it was hilarious. The language is overly foul, some old women left the theater in shock. If you liked Anchorman or Talledega Nights then you'll probably enjoy this too.
Posted By: franksinatra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/04/08 08:45 PM



Can Hollywood, usually creating things for entertainment purposes only, create art? To create something of this nature, a director must approach it in a most meticulous manner, due to the delicacy of the process. Such a daunting task requires an extremely capable artist with an undeniable managerial capacity and an acutely developed awareness of each element of art in their films, the most prominent; music, visuals, script, and acting. These elements, each equally important, must succeed independently, yet still form a harmonious union, because this mixture determines the fate of the artist's opus. Though already well known amongst his colleagues for his notable skills at writing and directing, Frank Darabont emerges with his feature film directorial debut, The Shawshank Redemption. Proving himself already a master of the craft, Darabont managed to create one of the most recognizable independent releases in the history of Hollywood. The Shawshank Redemption defines a genre, defies the odds, compels the emotions, and brings an era of artistically influential films back to Hollywood.

The story begins with the trial of a young banker, Andy Dufrense, victimized by circumstantial evidence, resulting in a conviction for the murder of his wife and her lover. After a quick conviction, Andy finds himself serving a life sentence at Shawshank prison, with no hope of parole. He exists in this prison only in appearance, keeping his mind free from the drab walls around him. His ability to do this results in the gaining of respect from his fellow inmates, but most of all from Ellis Redding. Ellis, commonly referred to as Red, finds gainful use of his entrepreneurial spirit within the drab walls of Shawshank by dealing in contraband and commodities rare to the confines of prison. Andy's demeanor and undeniable sense of hope causes Red to take a deeper look at himself, and the world around him. Andy proves to Red and the other inmates that in the conventional walls of Shawshank prison convention will find no home in his lifestyle.

By creating the film's firm foundation, the meticulously chiseled screenplay paved the way for this film's success. Frank Darabont outdoes himself with the phenomenal adaptation of Stephen King's equally noteworthy novella, Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption. In this novella, King demonstrates that he can break free from the genre he dominates and still create a marvelous piece of modern literature. Though the film mirrors the novella in many ways, Darabont illustrates a focused objective of improving upon the areas where the novella came up short, resulting in one of the best book to film transitions ever.

While maintaining some of the poetic and moving dialogue of the novella, Darabont also proves that a film's score can generate a great deal of emotional response from its audience, as dialogue does. He employs the cunning Thomas Newman, son of the legendary Hollywood composer, Alfred Newman. Darabont shows recognition for the film's needs by employing Newman, who makes the gentle piano chords whisper softly to the viewer, as if a part of the scripted dialogue. Newman lends himself to individualism and tends to drive more towards the unique in the realm of score composition. His effort in Shawshank did not go unnoticed, as his score received an Oscar nomination in 1995. While unique and independent, Newman's score never once intrudes on your concentration or distracts from the film.

With work from vast array of talented scene designers, costume designers, composers, cinematographers, and various other Hollywood artists, the cast of The Shawshank Redemption had a strong foundation to work with. The marvelous cast of this film will dazzle you with some of the most convincing performances you will witness in a film. While both Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman shine as Andy and Red, respectively, the true spectacle of acting lies within the plethora of amazing supporting actors who easily disappear into their roles. Most noticeable of these, the veteran film star James Whitmore, who portrays the elderly Brooks Hatlen. Brooks, a man incarcerated for an unmentioned crime for so long that he finds himself attached to the Shawshank and the daily life he has lead. Each of these actors show a true dedication to their art, and a focused purpose in their motivations, creating a convincing setting that never once caters to anything unbelievable.

With all of the aesthetic touches and attention to cinematic detail, the most beautiful part of the film lies within its thematic material, such as its focus on the human desires for the most abstract concepts, like hope and freedom. These themes, which concern things the human spirit undoubtedly yearns for, seem so intricately woven into the plot that it easily draws its audience in to its story. Though full of hardened criminals, your heart will go out to these men as they display the most basic of human emotions, and deliver some of the most quotable lines in a film to date. Like a great novel, this film manages to succeed at greater things than simply entertaining an audience. Darabont tells his story most masterfully, illustrating principles and inspiring his audience to think. He leaves us a poignant film with a powerful message of hope, and redemption, something we all seek.

This film manages to redeem Hollywood in the eyes of people who feared it long lost in a dark sea of clichés and predictability. Darabont shows us that artists still work in the Hollywood studios and production facilities. These artists show their capability to produce art; real art that inspires you to look at the deeper aspects of life and the world around you. The Shawshank Redemption delivers much-needed breath of fresh air for anyone who realizes the capability of film. It proves that masters of the craft still live on this earth, and still bless us with timeless masterpieces that we will never forget.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/05/08 03:40 PM

Finally watched DIE HARD 4.0

Obviously a bit far fetched,but plenty of action and laconic Bruce Willis funnies.

The kids loved it.

Kept them quiet the whole way through and thats a good enough endorsement for me smile
Posted By: BDuff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/05/08 11:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Finally watched DIE HARD 4.0

Obviously a bit far fetched,but plenty of action and laconic Bruce Willis funnies.

The kids loved it.

Kept them quiet the whole way through and thats a good enough endorsement for me smile


Yeah I had to watch my brother's kids, and they seemed to enjoy it, though it didn't really feel like a Die Hard film, you get that feeling too?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 02:39 AM

Originally Posted By: BDuff
Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Finally watched DIE HARD 4.0

Obviously a bit far fetched,but plenty of action and laconic Bruce Willis funnies.

The kids loved it.

Kept them quiet the whole way through and thats a good enough endorsement for me smile


Yeah I had to watch my brother's kids, and they seemed to enjoy it, though it didn't really feel like a Die Hard film, you get that feeling too?


Having seen the Unrated edit, with F-bombs and bloody gunshots galore....I think LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD is a Die Hard movie.

Hell, its better than DIE HARD 2.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 03:01 AM

Probably all that computer and hacking stuff don't fit well into the series.
Posted By: BDuff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 03:23 AM

These PG-13 sequels to R franchise really bother me, fuck little Johnny and his pre teen friends, I want a real movie! There is talk of making Terminator Salvation PG-13.

I saw the Un-Rated version of Live Free or Die Hard, it was just some cgi blood and dubbed over f-bombs added in to an already average film . Probably put together in a week.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 03:47 AM

Originally Posted By: BDuff
These PG-13 sequels to R franchise really bother me, fuck little Johnny and his pre teen friends, I want a real movie! There is talk of making Terminator Salvation PG-13.


I couldn't agree with this statement anymore! But from the studios point of view, it's f*ck BDuff and his older buddies because they feel they can cater to a wider audience with you AND Johnny (then release the unrated DVD for those seeking a "harder," no pun intended, film)
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 05:05 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Actually, its not MUMMY 3...but just because I'm reviewing that this week anyway, alright a DEAD ALIVE review coming up!*

*=Whenever I get around to it. tongue


Hopefully you get around to it by Halloween smile. That would be appropriate I think. I'm looking forward to your review.
Posted By: BDuff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: BDuff
These PG-13 sequels to R franchise really bother me, fuck little Johnny and his pre teen friends, I want a real movie! There is talk of making Terminator Salvation PG-13.


I couldn't agree with this statement anymore! But from the studios point of view, it's f*ck BDuff and his older buddies because they feel they can cater to a wider audience with you AND Johnny (then release the unrated DVD for those seeking a "harder," no pun intended, film)


When I saw Live Free or Die Hard in theaters it was packed with thirteen year olds who thought they were hot shit because their mommy wasn't there, disgusting. These tame sequels alienate the orignial fanbase, hopefully the studio will keep Terminator an R franchise.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 06:58 PM


Watched The Bank Job (2008) last night, which got pretty good ratings on both IMDb (7.6/10) and Netflix (3.6/5). I really like heist movies, and complex thrillers like the Ocean's series, The Italian Job, The Score, etc, are fun to watch. This was less complex of a heist, but that was excused being this was based on a true story. It's not something I would purchase, but it's worth a rental....
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 07:37 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Watched The Bank Job (2008) last night, which got pretty good ratings on both IMDb (7.6/10) and Netflix (3.6/5). I really like heist movies, and complex thrillers like the Ocean's series, The Italian Job, The Score, etc, are fun to watch. This was less complex of a heist, but that was excused being this was based on a true story. It's not something I would purchase, but it's worth a rental....


Why?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 07:38 PM

Originally Posted By: BDuff
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: BDuff
These PG-13 sequels to R franchise really bother me, fuck little Johnny and his pre teen friends, I want a real movie! There is talk of making Terminator Salvation PG-13.


I couldn't agree with this statement anymore! But from the studios point of view, it's f*ck BDuff and his older buddies because they feel they can cater to a wider audience with you AND Johnny (then release the unrated DVD for those seeking a "harder," no pun intended, film)


When I saw Live Free or Die Hard in theaters it was packed with thirteen year olds who thought they were hot shit because their mommy wasn't there, disgusting. These tame sequels alienate the orignial fanbase, hopefully the studio will keep Terminator an R franchise.


Mate, it could be worse.

Remember the R-rated CONAN THE BARBARIAN, then its PG-rated(!!!) sequel CONAN THE DESTROYER?

Wowzers.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 08:03 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Why?


Because I said so. tongue

I'm not a "reviewer" by any means, I was just saying if you like the capers I mentioned, this is also worth a look. I didn't notice any glaring flaws, so I guess that's a plus. :shrug: lol
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 08:13 PM

Originally Posted By: BDuff
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: BDuff
These PG-13 sequels to R franchise really bother me, fuck little Johnny and his pre teen friends, I want a real movie! There is talk of making Terminator Salvation PG-13.


I couldn't agree with this statement anymore! But from the studios point of view, it's f*ck BDuff and his older buddies because they feel they can cater to a wider audience with you AND Johnny (then release the unrated DVD for those seeking a "harder," no pun intended, film)


When I saw Live Free or Die Hard in theaters it was packed with thirteen year olds who thought they were hot shit because their mommy wasn't there, disgusting. These tame sequels alienate the orignial fanbase, hopefully the studio will keep Terminator an R franchise.


I agree. I was pissed off during my theaterical experience of TRANSFORMERS because of all the kids in their who wouldn't shut up. But again, the studios don't care. It's more money in their pockets. They're not out to make "quality" films, just to make as much money as possible (hence the reason so many of these 80s franchise movies are being revived for "a new generation" see ROCKY BALBOA, RAMBO, and INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL).

I'm also hearing a sequel (this is an old rumor by the way) that the GOONIES is going to get a sequel, RED SONJA is being remade by Rose McGowan and Robert Rodriguez, and THE BREAKFAST CLUB may get remade as well. Ah, how I love movie studios and their originality!
Posted By: Vito's Legacy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 09:45 PM

Caught Juno a second time on DVD yesterday, still easily my favourite Best Picture nominee from this year's Oscars. Reitman's direction is playful and subtle without ever coming close to being overly artsy. First timer Diablo Cody's witty script eventually reveals a deeply moving, and very human story - not to mention characters you really come to care for, and are sorry to see go as the credits roll on a sweet soundtrack. Much has been said of Ellen Page as the titular character and rightfully so - spouting those wordy witticisms with incredible ease - but all the cast are gold here: Cera, Bateman, Garner and most especially an excellent JK Simmons as Juno's gruff, but loving father.
Posted By: BDuff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 10:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: BDuff
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
[quote=BDuff]These PG-13 sequels to R franchise really bother me, fuck little Johnny and his pre teen friends, I want a real movie! There is talk of making Terminator Salvation PG-13.


I couldn't agree with this statement anymore! But from the studios point of view, it's f*ck BDuff and his older buddies because they feel they can cater to a wider audience with you AND Johnny (then release the unrated DVD for those seeking a "harder," no pun intended, film)


When I saw Live Free or Die Hard in theaters it was packed with thirteen year olds who thought they were hot shit because their mommy wasn't there, disgusting. These tame sequels alienate the orignial fanbase, hopefully the studio will keep Terminator an R franchise.


I agree. I was pissed off during my theaterical experience of TRANSFORMERS because of all the kids in their who wouldn't shut up. But again, the studios don't care. It's more money in their pockets. They're not out to make "quality" films, just to make as much money as possible (hence the reason so many of these 80s franchise movies are being revived for "a new generation" see ROCKY BALBOA, RAMBO, and INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL).

I'm also hearing a sequel (this is an old rumor by the way) that the GOONIES is going to get a sequel, RED SONJA is being remade by Rose McGowan and Robert Rodriguez, and THE BREAKFAST CLUB may get remade as well. Ah, how I love movie studios and their originality! [/quote]

A few months ago it came out that there is gonna be a re-make of John Carpenter's The Thing, a film I loved as a kd because it was the first really gory film I watched. It has aged very well, the effects are still quiet good and the paranoia facot was cool. My guess is the re-make would include some lame young actors.

I remember hearing that FOX told James Cameron and Ridley Scott to stop working on the Alien 5 script because the script for Alien vs Predator had better box office potential. What could have been...
Posted By: BDuff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/08 10:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Well I still use Blockbuster


I gotta ask, what's it like living in 1998? lol
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/08 12:42 AM

I just watched the 2003 remake of "The Italian Job" on Blu-ray. It was an OK, entertaining movie. I didn't see the 1969 original, so I don't know how it compares. My biggest disappointment was that I thought the Blu-ray transfer wasn't great.
Posted By: Don Jasani

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/08 02:46 AM

Saw "Journey to the Center of the Earth" last week and while its not the height of cinematic achievement or anything and its pretty much a kids movie, the technology used to create the 3D effects was quite impressive.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/08 02:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Where's DMS in your rental queue, JG? Get to it pronto.


Upon Capo's recommendation after I said I liked This is England (2006).... Dead Man's Shoes (2004) was a pleasant surprise! The acting was great, along with the soundtrack and landscapes. At first I thought the acts seemed a little unconventional -- perhaps like the pacing in England -- but near the end I realized it was pretty necessary. I don't wanna give anything away, but I thought it was great. I like this (director) Shane Meadows fella! wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/08 03:13 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Why?


Because I said so. tongue

I'm not a "reviewer" by any means, I was just saying if you like the capers I mentioned, this is also worth a look. I didn't notice any glaring flaws, so I guess that's a plus. :shrug: lol


So you would give it neither Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down, but a Thumbs Sideways?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/08 03:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Don Jasani
Saw "Journey to the Center of the Earth" last week and while its not the height of cinematic achievement or anything and its pretty much a kids movie, the technology used to create the 3D effects was quite impressive.


Just because its a kids movie doesn't mean that its excused for anything.

That said, I also liked JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH as a solid kids matinee adventure, and one that should only be seen in 3-D.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/08 03:18 AM

Originally Posted By: BDuff
Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Well I still use Blockbuster


I gotta ask, what's it like living in 1998? lol


...

Blockbuster online was around in 1998?

Netflix fans are like Mac fans. They all have an inferiority complex. You obviously don't have kids who at a moments notice decide they want to have friends stay the night and want to rent movies. Blockbuster allows me to exchange the rented movies for in-store movies with no mail delay. If I didn't have kids I wouldn't use Blockbuster. But it works for me.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/08 03:32 AM

I usually use the in-store rental for watching movies with my friends. They are not interested in all the serious foreign language movies that I watch. That way I can watch some popular/commercial movies without them blocking my queue.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/08 04:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I just watched the 2003 remake of "The Italian Job" on Blu-ray. It was an OK, entertaining movie. I didn't see the 1969 original, so I don't know how it compares. My biggest disappointment was that I thought the Blu-ray transfer wasn't great.


Most films that weren't filmed in HD aren't going to have "spectacular" transfers. Movies like THE DEPARTED, CASINO ROYALE, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 2 & 3 were filmed in HD and are going to look AWESOME! However, something like GOODFELLAS, CASINO, or THE GODFATHER isn't going to show that much of a difference
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/08 04:10 AM

Originally Posted By: BDuff
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: BDuff
[quote=Irishman12][quote=BDuff]These PG-13 sequels to R franchise really bother me, fuck little Johnny and his pre teen friends, I want a real movie! There is talk of making Terminator Salvation PG-13.


I couldn't agree with this statement anymore! But from the studios point of view, it's f*ck BDuff and his older buddies because they feel they can cater to a wider audience with you AND Johnny (then release the unrated DVD for those seeking a "harder," no pun intended, film)


When I saw Live Free or Die Hard in theaters it was packed with thirteen year olds who thought they were hot shit because their mommy wasn't there, disgusting. These tame sequels alienate the orignial fanbase, hopefully the studio will keep Terminator an R franchise.


I agree. I was pissed off during my theaterical experience of TRANSFORMERS because of all the kids in their who wouldn't shut up. But again, the studios don't care. It's more money in their pockets. They're not out to make "quality" films, just to make as much money as possible (hence the reason so many of these 80s franchise movies are being revived for "a new generation" see ROCKY BALBOA, RAMBO, and INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL).

I'm also hearing a sequel (this is an old rumor by the way) that the GOONIES is going to get a sequel, RED SONJA is being remade by Rose McGowan and Robert Rodriguez, and THE BREAKFAST CLUB may get remade as well. Ah, how I love movie studios and their originality! [/quote]

A few months ago it came out that there is gonna be a re-make of John Carpenter's The Thing, a film I loved as a kd because it was the first really gory film I watched. It has aged very well, the effects are still quiet good and the paranoia facot was cool. My guess is the re-make would include some lame young actors.

I remember hearing that FOX told James Cameron and Ridley Scott to stop working on the Alien 5 script because the script for Alien vs Predator had better box office potential. What could have been... [/quote]

I was against Rob Zombie's remake of HALLOWEEN and while I did enjoy it and loved the brutality of it, it still wasn't better than the original. That's some of the magic of the original, it wasn't brutal but it got its point across
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/08 10:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I just watched the 2003 remake of "The Italian Job" on Blu-ray. It was an OK, entertaining movie. I didn't see the 1969 original, so I don't know how it compares. My biggest disappointment was that I thought the Blu-ray transfer wasn't great.


Most films that weren't filmed in HD aren't going to have "spectacular" transfers. Movies like THE DEPARTED, CASINO ROYALE, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 2 & 3 were filmed in HD and are going to look AWESOME! However, something like GOODFELLAS, CASINO, or THE GODFATHER isn't going to show that much of a difference


I just picked up "The Warriors" and was pleasantly surprised how it looked.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/09/08 12:04 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Where's DMS in your rental queue, JG? Get to it pronto.


Upon Capo's recommendation after I said I liked This is England (2006).... Dead Man's Shoes (2004) was a pleasant surprise! The acting was great, along with the soundtrack and landscapes. At first I thought the acts seemed a little unconventional -- perhaps like the pacing in England -- but near the end I realized it was pretty necessary. I don't wanna give anything away, but I thought it was great. I like this (director) Shane Meadows fella! wink

Excellent. I don't think any of his films really hold up on rewatches in terms of plotting and narrative structure, but this seems his most accomplished, in terms of tonal rhythm and individual scenes. Paddy Considine is immense (he might be even better in Meadows's earlier film, A Room for Romeo Brass). What tremendous screen presence; love the initial, "You, you badword!" scene.

You can see him in In America (2002) too, with Samantha Morton; and small roles in Cinderella Man and The Bourne Ultimatum.

I wish others would check Meadows's stuff out.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/09/08 02:40 PM



THE JACKAL (1997) - **

My problems with THE JACKAL aside, I gotta admit that such a picture where the hero is a foreign terrorist and the villain is a blue collar American wouldn't be produced in post-9/11 Hollywood, or at least I don't think it would be.

People always whine about remakes, but you know what my fear is with each new announced "re-imagining" pumped out? That the quality original movies are forgotten, ignored, or worse confused with (usually) their inferior retakes by less-informed people. I once worked at a video store years back where someone asked me to recommend a thriller. I suggested Fred Zimmerman's THE DAY OF THE JACKAL from the 1970s. If you haven't seen it, Netflix that sucker right now because it's a genre classic, if simply because it makes you tense and perky with anticipation in spite of you knowing the ending already. Now that's impressive! There is something down to Earth yet epic as almighty hell in Zimmerman's approach as cop Michael Lonsdale is having to chase down a man with no face, no name, no identity, no morals, no ideology, no allegiances in killer Edward Fox.

This customer thought I was being stupid or mistaken and kept trying to correct me that I was actually talking about THE JACKAL with Bruce Willis and Richard Gere. I said no, but it was in vain. I want to call him an asshole, but really just imagine all the good and decent people who've missed out on a cool as hell film simply because of this more recent and recognizable mediocre version. Where are the Nazis and their bonfires when you need them?

What's even more depressing is that Zimmerman to his dying breath sought to stop this rendition, which baffled the producers and Universal Studios because they were "great fans" of DAY. With the exception of John Carpenter on THE THING, those two words are like always a glaring warning sign, like how Rob Zombie and Michael Bay were "great fans" of HALLOWEEN and THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE. This is especially true with JACKAL, made unfortunately during the uninspired and boring days of 1990s Hollywood action cinema, when every flick trying to ape DIE HARD and LETHAL WEAPON missed the two points of why those classics rocked the casbah in the first place....(1) Characters and (2) The Story inbetween the stunt spectacles, a lesson Mr. Bay never seem to have learned.

If DAY took its sweet-ass narrative before coming through in the great climatic finale, along with the charm in Fox's precision methodolgy this side of the BOURNE movies in setting up the big hit, THE JACKAL is more concerned with meeting the quota in car explosions, shoot outs, and chase scenes. Interestingly, several similar, alright identical sequences from DAY are reused in JACKAL, yet they are impotent. With the same basic story, you can either shoot a taunt intelligent flick (DAY) and an incredibly dumb loud one (JACKAL).

Thing is, JACKAL starts out alright and promising in a matinee escapist pleasure sort of way....then again, so did DIE ANOTHER DAY. The FBI and Moscow cops kill a Russian mobster, and his brother gives the world's best assassin in Willis a $70 million contract to get revenge on American soil. JACKAL in retrospect is quite naively dated considering this concept was written during Russia's failure of a civic democracy, for the gangster could have bided his time, saved some cash, and throw bullets and cash at the Russian police force instead of the Yankees. Domestic law enforcement pacified, a deal then be made with the new masters like Putin to kick the Americans out, and walah no more problem.

The Feds in Sidney Poitier spring out Richard Gere from prison to help them because he's the only person alive who's seen the Jackal's face. Remember how before the Good Friday Agreement, that every Irishman in a Hollywood movie was either a IRA member, related to one, or a goddamn leprechaun? Anyway, Gere here just might be sporting the worst Irish accent I've ever heard in a movie. It's so bad, it's a mystery why the filmmakers didn't simply rewrite him into an Irish-American or something to salvage a lost cause. Gere's character is also another example of a pet peeve of mine with Tinseltown. Whenever a "bad man" is made the protagonist, a great mistake usually made is to try to make them heroic somehow to get us to like them. Why do we dig Clint Eastwood in those spagetti westerns or Snake Plissken without betraying the fact that in most other tales they would be the antagonist? Because we admire those bastards for being ruthless or their wits or their badass nature, that's why.

But with Gere in JACKAL, yeah he was a proud (Irish) Republican, but he was "only a gunrunner." That's supposed to make him seem not as awful? That's like your local high school drug dealer revealed to be only selling pot, not meth or coke. Still, at least THE JACKAL is going off on the classic action exploitation set-up, that of someone forced to kick some ass to save his own. The problem is when out of damn nowhere this side of a on-set rewrite, it's revealed that Gere is doing this for revenge against Willis. You know why most revenge plottings work? Because those films set themselves up early on to milk that natural emotion of vengeance, but with JACKAL you never buy it and unable to suckle that teat. Plus, how the hell did Poitier know that fact if the Feds are totally ignorant about Willis?

Really, why can't we have more unapologetic scumbag action heroes? Better yet, someone else than a pussy like Gere?

You're reading this review, and with so much venom you wonder probably why I didn't give it a lower grade. That's because of Willis. He's played baddies before in PLANET TERROR and THE SIEGE, but JACKAL is his only undisputed evil part from what I know and it's obvious that he's relishing the fun in being such a cold ruthless son of a bitch for once. To be honest, he's rather solid actually. There is a great scene where after he seduced someone to gain their parking permit, he's calmly eating Korean food when he simply pulls out a gun and pulls the trigger, then goes back to munching away. This shit is second-nature to him this side of breathing. Another good sequence is when he learns that an engineer in a young (and thinner) Jack Black is trying to blackmail him for more cash, and Willis uses him as target practice for his super cannon rifle. I guess Willis hated ENVY too.

But even JACKAL in the end jobs out Willis as a psychopath, as if it had to ruin everything just for fun. You suck movie.

I guess I could write another 1,000 words about how the midway confrontation between Willis and Gere castrates the potential power of the desinent showdown, or how Willis makes an idiotic mistake simply to move the story along, or better yet an idiotic shot when prisoner/terrorist/snitch Gere is showing the Feds how to corner off the parameter on a map. With those stupid Feds in charge, how 9/11 didn't happen sooner I'll never know. I could also ponder about how I realized that with the scene in the garage between Willis and hijackers, that this is a mindless movie that actually has the gall to thinks its clever like the recent BEOWULF. I might even mention that you'll howl with laughter with a character comes out of nowhere in the conclusion.

Instead, I'll write about current popular revisionism from black film buffs like Spike Lee about how Sydney Poitier was simply an Uncle Tom, a friendly dark face for whitey, aka the "Magical Negro." They might have a point, but you know what? Poitier is still a pretty good actor, and considering how crappy his part and lines are in JACKAL, he's still cool here. Now that's killer.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/10/08 05:58 PM

The SciFi channel is running the "Trilogy of Terror 2" right now. Like the original, the same star is playing in all three stories (Lysette Anthony??) The little Zuni doll story will be showing next. It's not as good as the original, but still creepy. Can't beat Karen Black in the original, at the very end of that story. eek They never play the original on tv. ohwell


TIS
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/11/08 02:06 PM

Watched OCEANS THIRTEEN yesterday.

Not particularly great but a fitting way to pay tribute to Bernie Mac.

Also watched TRADING PLACES.

One of my favourite films and a nice reminder of when Eddie Murphy used to be funny and didn'n have to dress up in rubber suits all the time ohwell
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/12/08 09:59 PM



THE MUMMY: TOMB OF THE DRAGON EMPEROR (2008) - **

With due respect to Maria Bello, who is a proven quality actress (and we men will never forget her beaver shot in A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE), but I recognized also while watching the third MUMMY entry how much Rachel Weisz is missed here. Just maybe Weisz's tendency to perform hyperbolic in these pictures seemed in line with the blunt stark nature of such blockbuster pulp action trash, because to my great shock Bello is surprisingly boring here. Perhaps it's that give a great character, and not a paper-thin archetype, Bello can soar as an actress, while Weisz is watchable no matter what (CONSTANTINE anyone?), I just don't know.

What is known is that she reportedly passed on returning for THE MUMMY: TOMB OF THE DRAGON EMPEROR because of "problems with the script." Considering that she left alot of money on the table, and she had previously agreed to a crappy screenplay like THE MUMMY RETURNS, that's a pretty damning ominous sign if you ask me.

Anyway, just look at the stuff in this movie: Stone zombie mummies, flying dragons fighting an fighter plane, fireworks used as weapons during a car chase, Yeti throwing henchmen around like ragdolls, displays of martial arts, gunfire, and fistfighting in the midst of two Dead armies numbering in the thousands waging war. This is the ridiculous juvenile masculine power-tripping shit you know me for gladly eating up with a grin, and I should have fun with TOMB, right?

Wrong

You know how you're sitting in a theatre, there is a moment when you realize that thereafter either a movie is good or bad? Well that spot came for me for TOMB during the prologue when I noticed, that like the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN trilogy and the recent INDIANA JONES adventure, that these filmmakers are really overcomplicating the fuck out of this incredibly simple story to set up both Jet Li and Michelle Yeoh. Hey Hollywood, this action story shit aint rocket science. Either trim it down and then "reveal" more later in plotting or don't even bother. Worse is when the voice-over narration was everything the most obvious stuff from the affair to what exactly the Five Elements like we're retarded. Look, I know the demographics for such movies like TOMB are most likely lesser in the intelligence department compared to say THERE WILL BE BLOOD, but this is goddamn ridiculous.

The second stamp of doom though was the comedy. To quote the great Mike T. Nelson of MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATRE 3000, there is nothing worse than an unfunny comedy. I haven't seen such lame attempts at popcorn humor since TRANSFORMERS last year. You could hear a pin drop in my theatre during the "silly" shenanigans at the manor between Bello and Brendan Fraser. If anything, its amazing how Fraser's goofy braun charisma is just completely muted here which brings me bad memories of when Christopher Reeve was stuck with SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE. Yet as desperate as the repeated "music record abruptly interrupted" gag and Yak vomiting is, they fail in comparison to the lowpoint of getting a laugh when a Yeti kicks a Chinese guy over the uprights of the mountain temple entrance, and his buddy indicates goal!

Oh for fuck's sake.

I gotta say, there is one kinda cool thing about TOMB, which is that Li the mummy is trapped in clay and each time he moves his face, that mask breaks and promptly burns itself a new coat. Hell, a creative shot is when he throws a broken piece as a weapon. Later, he gains the power to transform into bizarre creatures, like a three-headed dragon, so what does Li do when he finally duels Fraser? Neither. This is a villain that deserved to lose, not because he's evil, but because he's just simply dumb.

I think I simply gave up on hopefully having some form of fun with TOMB when during intense heavy FX sequences, my mind was distracted by plot holes the size of Texas. Before some of you go off on me for being hypocritical, consider this: There are two types of plot holes: those your brain can give half-ass wisdom and movie logic to explain the gaps, and those that you can't. For instance, you have a ninja woman who assaults the spectacularly bland Luke Ford at the Tomb, persumingly to stop Ford from opening the coffin and resurrecting Li from the dead, right? Alright, she's chased off by bullets, but later she's revealed to be immortal, and she knows it.

OK, so why the hell did you run in the first place?!? You could have stopped whitey from unleashing the apocalypse, and saved some people alot of trouble. I hate to say this, but to quote NATURAL BORN KILLERS, you're just "a stupid bitch." Sorry babe, but common sense and martial arts just aren't a good mix for you. I just don't see what Ford sees in you...or at least I wouldn't if I actually gave a shit about that romantic sub-plot. Speaking of which, anyone else notice how Ford's character went from being an annoying spunky English-tongue brat in RETURNS to a whiney emo-bitch with an American accent?

I guess I could go on about during the finale why a drawn & quartered guy returns with his corpse intact or why I'm still tired of the movies having the modern concept of freedom being uttered by ancient peoples, but instead I'll note that I briefly grinned when Yeoh and Li duked it out. Both Hong Kong martial arts cinema legends are now in their late 40s, but it was nice as a fan from back in the high school video store days to see them reteam after TAI CHI MASTER (aka TWIN WARRIORS.)

The sad thing is, TOMB is actually sort of what I had in mind when Rob Cohen signed on as director. Yeah I hated the hell out of VAN HELSING, displeased with RETURNS and keep forgetting DEEP RISING like probably the rest of you, but I have to give Stephen Sommers credit on THE MUMMY. That one was an expensive trashy idiotic matinee movie, but it was a good expensive trashy matinee movie that was more a fluke than intentional. My point is, Sommers has a anomaly of decency within his otherwise mediocre-ass career, which I can't say for Mr. Cohen. I won't go on a IMDB.com-esque detailed ranting to ascertain why Cohen is a Hack Auteur, but just consider that this is his third lousy Universal Studios-basked film with DRAGON in the title(!) in the last 15 years.

Or ponder how much one screws the pooch when JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH is a superior Fraser vehicle and that you have actually made some folks almost nostalgic for THE MUMMY RETURNS.

Almost.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/12/08 10:01 PM

Read your review on FCM. The Maria Bello image made my day. I'm giving her a mental hug right now.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/13/08 02:53 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Read your review on FCM. The Maria Bello image made my day. I'm giving her a mental hug right now.


And she then called security on you. grin
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/18/08 04:25 PM



FRANTIC (1988) - ***1/2

A surgeon (Harrison Ford) and his wife are visiting Paris for a medical conference when at their hotel room they realize that she picked up the wrong suitcase back at the airport. She gets on the phone, he takes a shower, he gets out and she's vanished. Suffering from severe Jet lag, ignorant of the French tongue, and getting no worthy help from the police and American Embassy, he scours the city for her. He's lonely, he's desperate, he's FRANTIC.

After reading that, either you're intrigued enough to get onboard to explore such a set-up, or you're not. If the latter, I suggest for you DISTURBIA, a dumb direct recent uninspired boring picture made for folks who can't wipe their own ass, and get the hell out of my review. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. But if FRANTIC sounds like good popcorn, which it is...then welcome to the rest of the review. Enjoy.

I think it was in the middle of FRANTIC when I realized that the extra pleasure beyond the surface is seeing the filmmakers obviously having a good swell time with the material. Writer/Director Roman Polanski has shot alot of terrific thrillers from KNIFE IN THE WATER to REPULSION to ROSEMARY'S BABY to the underseen THE TENANT, my point is he knows his stuff. FRANTIC isn't one of his better works, but like with Brian DePalma on FEMME FATALE and Martin Scorsese with CAPE FEAR, we benefit mostly from him having fun in playing in the Hitchcock sandbox again, what with the step-by-step paranoia mystery with shadow-lit alleyways and ominous garages. This includes the legendary composer Ennio Morricone, who himself is willing to play Bernard Herrmann to Polanski's Hitch with the trumpets and strings to stress up the suspense and tension.

Ford himself is a man lost and adrift, a everyday man fighting against unseen enemies in an alien culture, insurmountable odds stacked against him. I always thought he was miscasted in his Jack Ryan adventures if simply because for an analyst-turned-actioneer, you expect such heroics from Indiana Jones or Han Solo. But in FRANTIC you buy his vulnerability and helplessness, that he doesn't do this crazyness for a living. I think the difference is that Polanski puts a strong emphasis in close-ups and framing on Ford's face, and you realize that Ford once upon a time could be a terrific actor. I mean in recent years with K-19 and FIREWALL and the Internet-hated INDY IV, you forget that fact but his facial expression do alot more justice for FRANTIC than mere expositional dialogue.

Take the 3rd act, the home stretch for the genre to wind itself up, Ford is on the phone with the Embassy when they put him on hold. His eyes first display shock, then fustration, then outright seething anger, or in other words the classic look of "What the Fuck?!?" Such scenes in most thrillers are placed in 1st Act, you know to build up the problems a hero has to face on his quest. But such a sequence holds our attention more by being written here, against expectations.

Some critics have criticized FRANTIC for bringing nothing "new" and creative to the table, and that's probably true, but so what? I think to steal an argument from the great Internet critic The Outlaw Vern, genre films are like the blues music in that you've been through a combination of the same plottings, scenes, and situations a thousand before, and a thousand times afterwards, but you can still compose them to make them still effective for even the most experienced film buffs, and with your own authorship.

Polanski does that with FRANTIC in a few shots, like how a potential lead for Ford at a night club is revealed to be an embarrasing misunderstanding, one that he can't express because he doesn't want to piss his only possible link to his kidnapped wife. I even liked how after a shoot-out where the driver of a car gets capped, you expect Ford and femme fatale Emmanuelle Seigner to push that dead bulk out and then drive in the pursuit, like you would expect with most movies. Nope, they don't have the time so instead they work the steering wheel around the corpse, while keeping his head up so daytime Parisians won't notice them. Then after parking, Ford belatedly tries CPR on the body, as if to try to escape blame for that death in the eyes of bystanders.

My favorite scene though is the opening, which may surprise many for being so mundane. Ford and his wife in a taxicab that gets a flat tire, and the driver pulls over to repair it. I liked a fact that I've forgotten, which is that when people speak in a foreign language you don't comprehend, you automatically ignore it. I mean why would your ears pay attention to mere gibberish? Plus, FRANTIC instantly dispels that this isn't the postcard Paris, where Polanski has resided since his legal exile, we see in almost every other mainstream movie. No accordian music, no berets, no mimes, no Eiffel Tower in every shot (hell, unless I'm mistaken, it's not seen at all) or any of that nonsense that TEAM AMERICA wonderfully mocked. But I like all this because it slickly butters you up for what is to come.

I do think that FRANTIC suffers because the second half with the revelations, plot turns and a dramatic finisher this side of SABOTEUR over a MacGuffin doesn't quite something compute as well as the first half did. Reportedly 10-20 minutes were axed by Warner Bros. from the final cut, which may or may not be true, and may or may not have affected Polanski's narrative energy output. But otherwise, FRANTIC is a pretty good routine genre thriller with some nice touches that was Polanski's career comeback after PIRATES, one of the biggest flops of the Reagan Decade, and more than anything else FRANTIC is a good reminder of when Ford was relevant.

Speaking of which, notice signs of Ford's homeland all across Paris, such Americanization from some of the music to Coca-Cola advertizements, to even the Pizza Hut next to his hotel. All this is a good allegory for his character's search for his wife: So Close, and Yet so Far Away.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/18/08 06:19 PM

Saw Vicky Christina Barcelona this weekend. Brilliant.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/18/08 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
The SciFi channel is running the "Trilogy of Terror 2" right now. Like the original, the same star is playing in all three stories (Lysette Anthony??) The little Zuni doll story will be showing next. It's not as good as the original, but still creepy. Can't beat Karen Black in the original, at the very end of that story. eek They never play the original on tv. ohwell


TIS


I missed this post, TIS. I remember the original with Karen Black too. That last scene is memorable indeed in a creepy way. I can't remember the first two stories in the trilogy, but the last one was something else.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/18/08 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
The SciFi channel is running the "Trilogy of Terror 2" right now. Like the original, the same star is playing in all three stories (Lysette Anthony??) The little Zuni doll story will be showing next. It's not as good as the original, but still creepy. Can't beat Karen Black in the original, at the very end of that story. eek They never play the original on tv. ohwell


TIS


I missed this post, TIS. I remember the original with Karen Black too. That last scene is memorable indeed in a creepy way. I can't remember the first two stories in the trilogy, but the last one was something else.



Indeed. Creepy and KB played the role perfectly.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/20/08 12:34 AM



PSYCHO II (1983) - ***

It is 1983, and the slasher horror was still in full swing of its Golden Age. The genre foundation partly laid down by Tobe Hopper's THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE, Bob Clark's BLACK CHRISTMAS, and Mario Bava's double header BLOOD & BLACK LACE and TWITCH OF THE DEATH NERVE were being fully exploited (i.e. ripped off). Major dividends were being made at the box-office for John Carpenter's HALLOWEEN, Sir Ridley Scott's ALIEN, and Sean S. Cunningham's FRIDAY THE 13TH, with Sam Raimi's THE EVIL DEAD an underground hit and Wes Craven's A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET only a year away. Nevermind the hundreds of awful clones that cluttered theatres and we still are stuck with, collecting dust at your local mom & pop video store.

Obviously Universal Studios noticed this and decided to cash in by producing a sequel to the grandaddy of all slasher movies, Alfred Hitchcock's 1960 classic PSYCHO. What surprised everyone isn't that it made a profit (only a moron loses money on a horror picture), or that Anthony Perkins and his struggling career returned as Norman Bates, but that PSYCHO II was actually....good? A surprise sleeper hit with both audiences and critics, PSYCHO II is a rare solid and competent genre sequel, and I mean rare as in how many good horror sequels do you know?

OK, maybe George A. Romero's DEAD pictures, perhaps too the fun A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 3: DREAM WARRIORS, and also EVIL DEAD 2 if you can argue around the comedy. But what else? Exactly my point. Oh sure I know many folks out there are fans of franchises from NIGHTMARE to FRIDAY THE 13TH or the more recent SAW, but such nerd jihadists care more about Freddy, Jason, or Jigsaw and creative gore shots then the pictures themselves. I mean let's be honest guys.

Seriously, PSYCHO II should have blowed this side of Amy Winehouse given a line of cocaine, or sucked a golfball through a waterhose, because God knows we didn't need a PSYCHO sequel, nor was there any real rabid demand for it (unless I'm mistaken). Besides, what else could you do with the material?

That my friends is where I was proven wrong. Released after 22 years at the nuthouse, the poor guy just wants to go home, work his crappy job at the diner and be left alone to eat his toasted cheese sandwiches. He's paid his debt to society with most of his adult life, and the scorn of almost everyone in the county. The problem is, he keeps getting notes and phone calls from "Mother," despite the fact that we and he knows that she's as dead as fried chicken. People are being murdered again at the Bates Motel, and Bates is desperately trying to keep his hard-worked sanity intact...if it hasn't left him already.

If you think about it, this was a real risky move on Universal's part to turn Bates from a dangerous psychotic killer in drag to that of a tragic hero, because with every other slasher icon, we pay to see them do what they were born to do: Slice & Dice. Instead, this crazy(pun!) gamble pays off for two reasons. One, my theory holds that viewers don't necessarily have to like characters or their actions, but are willing to follow them as long as they are compelling people. I mean, after Janet Leigh's death in PSYCHO, Perkins afterwards became the sole intriguing player for us, even if we find out later what a sad sick bastard he was. With PSYCHO II, Bates is like a long-time abuser trying to stay sober despite temptations everywhere, except instead of booze or drugs it's murder. Even psychopaths have their 12 step programs.

Two, PSYCHO II works because of Perkins. If you ever catch his other screenwork outside of PSYCHO like say Orson Welles' criminally underseen THE TRIAL, you'll realize what a great actor Perkins was, and what a tragic waste of talent because Norman Bates typecasted him. Still, watch Perkins' awesomeness in PSYCHO II in the scene with Meg Tilly as she hands him a knife to cut some bread. He hesitates and struggles, but its such a great triumph of a close call for him. That simplistic scene probably read silly on paper, but Perkins makes it work as someone who simply wants to do good, and yet people won't let him. Later when Tilly is telling him about the "loud noise" made by her roommate and boyfriend, Perkins has such an awkward look to him. You forget that Bates is a boy who never quite grew up.

If we didn't care about Bates, the sequel is screwed no matter how much blood and titties fly out.

My favorite scene of his in PSYCHO II might have to be when he finds out that the Bates Motel manager in Lou Franz is using the joint to host drug hooker parties, and he's morally outraged, which Franz fires back: "At least my customers have a good time! What do yours get, Bates? Huh? Dead! That's what! Murdered by you, you loony! " Franz may be a fat asshole, but you know he's got a point.

PSYCHO II was shot by the late Richard Franklin, who also directed ROADGAMES which I haven't seen but people I know have praised it as an underrated thriller gem. Anyway, considering that he was following in the shadow of Hitchcock, I think he does a fine job in helming a compelling murder mystery, where Bates believably may or may not have lost his marbles again, which lags simply because it doesn't completely justify two hours. He does make some missteps by including the slasher genre staple of doomed pot-smoking kids caught at the house screwing by "Mother" and opening his sequel with Leigh's shower murder from PSYCHO, as if he was afraid that kids watching PSYCHO II wouldn't know of the original. Then again, as SCREAM reminded us, how many remember that Jason wasn't the stalker in the first FRIDAY THE 13TH?

But Franklin has one well-crafted sequence, where Franz is pricking around Tilly at the diner, as Bates watches intently while cutting lettuce. We then see another written message from "Mother" on the turn-table with other Orders, and as it creeps closer to Perkins, and Franz is stiring more shit up...good tension right there. Franklin also a ridiculously over-the-top kill scene with someone getting stabbed, then falling into a stair bannister which runs the knife through him. I still can't decide if it's retardedly stupid or so-bad-its-cool.

PSYCHO II doesn't reinvent the wheel or shake the pillars of the cinematic heavens, but it's a decent entertaining quality jobber, and you should see it if simply for the ending with the shovel that is just so shocking and nuts, yet so completely satisfying. If anything, PSYCHO II was a weird underlining theme under it. We Americans, and probably most humans in fact, are such revenge-driven creatures like the people against Bates, and yet only one person tries to follow the Christian culture's teachings of "forgive & forget."

If that message was applied instead of vengeance, Bates probably would have been normal for the first time in his life, instead of unfortunately becoming again the very monster that they were fighting against.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/24/08 08:12 PM

The Dark Knight

A movie I wouldn't mind seeing again.

I liked Joker's magic trick.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/24/08 11:36 PM

In the movie Striking Distance with Bruce Willis, he plays a river patrol cop. In one scene he unloads the shells from his shotgun and holds them in his mouth. Then he submerges with the shotgun. When he surfaces he loads the shotgun with those shells. My question is why did he pull the shells out of the shotgun before he submerged? Anyone on the Board know enough about guns and shells to say why?
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/24/08 11:39 PM

I saw DEATH RACE today. It'd be the best summer movie of the year if it weren't for IRON MAN and THE DARK KNIGHT (so it's in good company). The greatest action star walking the planet, Jason Statham, returns and do what he does best: kicks a$$ while taking names! FYI, David Carradine's voice at the beginning is lended for the Frankenstein character wink
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/25/08 12:04 AM

Death Race looks like a movie version of the Twisted Metal video game series.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/25/08 12:14 AM

The Last House on the Left (1972)
(out of 4)

Two teenage girls head to a concert with the intention of "scoring some good grass" on the way. They run into escaped convicts who happen to be murdering rapists. The convicts car ends up breaking down in front of the house of one of the girl's and the parents attempt to take revenge for their daughters death.

This controversial movie, the first directed by Wes Craven, had so much promise but ended up more of a joke to me than anything. As I was watching it I realized svsg covered this movie in his thread The movies that went all the way. I agree with him that this movie made more of a joke of itself that tried to shock the audience with something new and horrifying. The scenes that were truly horrific would have been much scarier if the atmosphere were held steady rather than adding in humorous scenes in between, mostly involving the dumb Barney Fife-like cops.

The music is the other thing I took issue with. Some of the music selections fit very well for the situation while other times it was just comical when it shouldn't have been.

While I have problems with this movie I'm glad I saw it, especially to see how Wes Craven got his start with something that was very disturbing for it's time.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/25/08 12:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Death Race looks like a movie version of the Twisted Metal video game series.


Yeah kinda, but it was still one heck of a popcorn action movie!
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/25/08 02:28 PM

Just watched COOL RUNNINGS again.

Funny, funny film.

"Jamacia has a bobsleigh team" grin
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/27/08 02:23 AM





TIGHTROPE (1984) - ***1/2

Back in 2004 when Actor/Director Clint Eastwood got in trouble over the euthanasia sequence in his MILLION DOLLAR BABY, I thought it was rather strange how a man once seen by right-wingers as the epitome of law enforcement ultra-justice in DIRTY HARRY was now out of touch with the Neo-Conservative crowd. Certainly it's no secret that Eastwood is a Republican (was even a Nixon supporter) but as a cinematic artist he's willing at times to explore beyond his ideological shell, even question assumed truths, and you gotta dig that. I mean if anyone else had shot LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA, that person would have been automatically slammed as a leftist God-hating traitor by the likes of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, but since this is Eastwood, nobody complained.

That's the awesome power of Eastwood right there.

But anyway he didn't shoot TIGHTROPE, and on the surface it seems like a routine Dirty Harry-esque picture. Eastwood as a tough cop who uses his fists and guns to stop crime? Been there, done that. Eastwood fighting a serial killer terrorizing a city? Yup. Eastwood spouting one-liners? Ditto. Eastwood having problems with women around him? What else you expect?. How about him getting his kicks from handcuffing prostitutes and then having sex with them?

OK, that's a new weird one for Dirty Harry.

You have to respect Eastwood for willingly taking the risk of alienating certain demographics of his fanbase with such a character, a cop in New Orleans who ends up investigating a series of brutal strangulations, most of whom Eastwood had hired previously for his kinky games. So we're walking a TIGHTROPE between the usual action cinema heroics in stopping this murderer, and him wrestling with his conscience about his treatment of women as mere sex objects, especially after teaming up with Genevieve Bujold, continuing her feminist schtick from COMA.

TIGHTROPE was written and helmed by Richard Tuggle, who scripted the last Eastwood/Don Spiegel collaboration in ESCAPE FROM ALCATRAZ. If you've seen a serial killer movie in the last 20 years, TIGHTROPE's plotting seems pretty routine procedural material, but what I dig is the touches he gives to a pretty effective popcorn psychological thriller. This flick openly suggests that Eastwood's fetish comes from his desire to reign control over women at a time when they were demanding equal power, if not more...which perhaps is why he got divorced. What I think is intriguing is that besides his nightly shenanigans down in the French Quarter, Tuggle makes a point of the fact that he's the patriarchal rock for his two daughters seem to only acerbate the problem.

Consider also a nice throwaway shot is when Eastwood's oldest kid, played by his real-life offspring Alison Eastwood, catches a peep of the crime scene photos from his case file. You expect a direct payoff from this, which you don't get but the dividends do arrive when Eastwood gets drunk because he can't beat this killer. In most movies, such a scene would tie in of how his ex-wife or kids yell at him for dragging work to home or for boozing. Instead, the girl tries to take care of him, as if to say "Yeah you're a jerk at times, and you're drinking, but I sorta understand why."

I also dig Tuggle's approach with the villain. A mistake that many filmmakers tend to make is going over-the-top with how crazy or sadistic the baddie is, like with Brett Ratner's RED DRAGON where Ralph Fiennes has pumped-up muscles, tattoos all over his body, and some rather nasty teeth, because you know only a psychopath would look like that. Yet I think sometimes an understated approach does the job better. I mean, you see him behind one of his victims, she turns around to see....a guy wearing a kabuki mask, and you go what the fuck? Fiennes is fine for a comic book I guess, but with TIGHTROPE, I see that sort of asshole actually living in our world.

The heroes and creeps engaged in a cat-and-mouse mind game is a staple of the genre, but I liked how Tuggle has the antagonist just likes to fuck with Eastwood, which the villain mockingly points out that they both have some of the same "peculiar" tastes. Consider an early scene when after a "meeting" with a hooker, Eastwood realizes that he left his tie back at her place, and we forget about it. Then later when he finds her dead, he sees that the exact same tie is hanging around a nearby statue. But that's nothing compared to when the murderer invades Eastwood's home, and locks his 12-year old kid to the bed with the very same handcuffs that Eastwood used in his sex games.

Now that's fucked up. Really, you gotta commend that such a visual idea perhaps wouldn't be used in Hollywood 2008, and yet it was done 24 years ago. A pity that Tuggle's only other theatrical directorial work was the Anthony Michael Hall vehicle OUT OF BOUNDS, for with TIGHTROPE he showed some competent talent. Plus, as someone at IMDB pointed out, he and Eastwood were slick to cast Bujold and her French-Canadian heritage as a native of the Franco-Anglo city of New Orleans.

I think Tuggle does contradict perhaps his armchair psychological exploration of Eastwood when he has him going to save Bujold, which arguably could be seen as an affirmation of traditional masculinity. The climax finale between Eastwood and the killer at the train tracks is the most uninteresting and boring sequence of TIGHTROPE, as if it went all Polanski FRANTIC on us in jobbing out. Then again, to TIGHTROPE's credit, how many pictures you know of where the action cinema is the least interesting?

TIGHTROPE is underrated, if like FRANTIC its a few notches short of being a special gem, but I say check it out, if only to see when Eastwood meets up with a gay escort. He asks Eastwood why he doesn't "partner" with guys for once, and Clint answers "Maybe I have." On paper, that may have read like a joke, but the way Eastwood said it in such a cryptic coded way......

Oh Shit! Now the Moral Majority have another reason to hate him.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/31/08 01:09 AM



CLASS OF 1984 (1982) - ***1/2



The new music teacher (Perry King) at Lincoln High School should have known something was wrong and quit immediately after seeing fellow colleague Roddy McDowall at the parking lot carry a gun in his briefcase, and not even bother to hide that fact in broad daylight.

Watching the nicely-produced Anchor Bay DVD, you'll get a kick out of director Mark L. Lester making a big deal over and over of how CLASS OF 1984 "foresaw" shocking violence at America's educational institutions like Columbine, which is incredibly silly. Last I checked, Columbine was committed by two bullied guys with psychological problems who spent way too much time playing DOOM and illegally straw purchased their firearms with help from a friend, and not by a mafia-clique of mascara-wearing punks. That said, I'll give Lester credit in that it was science fiction to many back in 1982 to have metal detectors, security guards, and surveillance cameras at our high schools, and yet alot of my generation probably now take such measures for granted.

Early on, CLASS OF 1984 looked like it was gonna be a The Clash-inspired retake on BLACKBOARD JUNGLE (though I doubt that left-winger rock act would have liked being role models for such gangsters), where a well-meaning middle class teacher goes into an inner-city school run not by the faculty but by the students themselves, and as King pushes to do his job and regain law & order, the leader (Timothy Van Patten) pushes back harder. Nothing really exciting here, real bland melodrama and we even get some incredibly contrived cartoonish sillyness when this movie goes like so many movies from the 1970s and 80s where the administrators refuse to punish the kids and the law due to those damn civil liberties this side of DIRTY HARRY. Plus, Michael J. Fox (in an early role) is so annoying and whiney as a trumpet loser, you're sorta glad that he got knifed in the cafeteria.

But the surprising and shocking thing about CLASS OF 1984 is that for a low-budget trashy capitalization of then-newspaper headlines, it actually improves as the brutal violence and sheer insanity escalate until it becomes a satisfying and even memorable delivery of B-action exploitation cinema. When those punks throw stage blood at King, it's goofy and yet it's a sly blunt indication of the carnage to come.

I mean you have a kid tripping out after snorting some cocaine go climb up a flag pole and sing the Pledge of Allegiance before falling to his death. Then King grabs Van Patten in the bathroom with the intention of beating him into a bloody pulp for that dead kid, and when he can't do it, Van Patten mocks him. Then he promptly smashes his own head against a mirror, the wall, and sink, and gets King arrested for "assaulting a student." Speaking of which, I wonder what if Lester had scripted the scene differently, where King then afterwards took credit himself for the thrashing, and thus have Van Patten's psychological warfare horribly backfire, as the school makes fun of "the boss" getting wrecked by a pacifist liberal.

What I thought was really intriging with Van Patten was that after the movie's narrative rhythmn had been established, when he tries to play mindgames with King again in his classroom, he then busts out a beautiful and touching piano piece out of friggin nowhere, a total contrast to his rough and ruthless persona. It's such a surprisingly gifted touch to such familar formulaic genre ground, and even display a person's potential squandered on egomania and hooliganism, and also warn of his literal destructive creativity.

Anyway, CLASS at this point becomes A CLOCKWORK ORANGE meets THE GODFATHER, where Van Patten is good at being an asshole villain who grins at using the law and his super-intelligence to get away with everything, forever self-admiring himself. Though to be honest, Van Patten has one thing over Malcolm McDowall's Alex DeLarge, which is that instead of being a whore Beethoeven, at least he created his own music. There is even a scene where much reminiscent (i.e. derivative) of Coppola's film where Van Patten meets at a nasty rotting night club and deals narcotic transactions, recruit gang muscle, and make would-be coke whores go through "try outs" to join his prostitution ring. Then we see him at his home, and you'll go "that figures."

How many high school movies you know of where the destiny of everyone and their fates belong to that a guy who if busted could be only tried as a juvenile?

Really folks, there are so many moments where you will say simply Damn to it, even if you have to sit through some inadverted cheesyness that was Lester's fault, like when Van Patten says seriously clunker lines like "Life....is Pain!" and "I am the Future!" (Who wrote this dialogue, Sylvester Stallone?) For example, when the brood retaliates at McDowall by turning his animal laboratory into a gory butcher shop. Then McDowall's response, in the best awesomely bizarro sequence in CLASS OF 1984, when he has a total nervous breakdown from the slaughter and nobody in his biology classes giving a damn about what he's trying to teach, he holds the students hostage at gunpoint. If anything, these pukes had been going through their rampage motions like a game, and yet now in their eyes they realize that the safety net aint there for them afterwards.

There is something perverse about us enjoying McDowall's threats to blow their brains out if they answer a question wrongly, and yet a total swerve from what you expect when he's like happy that they actually remember his lectures, even if these are the same assholes who skinned his rabbits alive. Speaking of which, thank God I was an "A" student in high school biology. Mathematics though, I would have been fucked in McDowall's classroom.

With the finale when Van Patten's army gangrapes King's pregnant wife and take polaroid snap shots, which they show to King before his major school recital, and he gives the look. According to self-stylized badass cinema afficionado The Outlaw Vern, he defines the the look as one essential in most such revenge movies from WALKING TALL to KILL BILL, where the wronged hero tells us without talking that we're going beyond the point of no return regarding his relations with the villains, which of course means they're gonna fucking die!

This is the strongest section of CLASS, where it becomes ultimately THE WARRIORS and STRAW DOGS mixed into a blender, spit on by Lester, and then thrown out the window for good measure. Really, I admit that King and Lester did make me buy why this guy at this point finally decides to kill those little bastards, and why we get everything from a bloody brawl around a powered-up sharp bandsaw to a nice human fireball at the garage to finally an operatic and climatic splatter confrontation on the school rooftop.

CLASS OF 1984 is pure junk, but it's really good junk. It could have been really idiotic and lousy, but instead prevails because of some good acting here and there, some adjustments to genre traditions, and the filmmakers never job out simply because of the material, yet not apologize for its direct visceral nature. You know, such a movie could only be produced before Columbine, because unless you're going for an arty "serious" angle like say ELEPHANT, I don't see anyone funding or willing to distribute such a flick these days.

So check it out, if only as a time capsule to both what some people probably seriously thought the future held for them, and for the shit you could get away with at the movies at that time.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/31/08 02:19 PM

I watched RAIN MAN for the first time last night, why its took me this long to watch the film i don't know, The film was very good and Dustin Hoffman played the part perfectley and it was also good to see Tom Cruise play a more serious role we have become used to seeing in the last 15 years..
Posted By: chopper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/31/08 04:48 PM

I just watched Goodbye Charlie Bright not a bad film at all.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/01/08 01:16 AM



SUDDEN IMPACT (1983) - ***1/2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6-Snl4a1RI&feature=related

"Go ahead. Make my Day."

Whatever this is true or not, I don't know, but according to IMDB.com, SUDDEN DEATH supposedly came as a result of a Warner Bros. survey around the time of the last Sean Connery 007 flick NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN, asking people to name an actor and a famous part that he/she had played. Despite 7 years since his last adventure, Clint Eastwood's "Dirty Harry" Callahan apparently scored so high, Warner Bros. asked Eastwood if he was interested in returning for a 4th movie. He agreed, but only if he was also both producer and director.

I think the reason behind the eternal popularity of Dirty Harry is that he's a contemporary fantasy throwback to the outlaw law enforcers of the American Wild West in "Wild" Bill Hickok and Wyatt Earp, a guy ready and willing to whip out his canon of a gun in the name of justice. Such a guy doesn't exist, nor really last long in our world, which is fitting considering how the real Hickok and Earp were nowhere as outlandish or awesomely cool as their myths state them to be.

What intrigues me with the Dirty Harry franchise, of which few have commented upon, is how that several entries have dealt with that vigilantism. In the original DIRTY HARRY, Callahan throws down his badge to take down once and for all the Scorpio Killer, then MAGNUM FORCE and it's platoon of cops going rogue to "clean the streets," and with SUDDEN IMPACT, it's about a victim trying to enact blood revenge.

The strange thing about SUDDEN IMPACT is that for a Dirty Harry movie, Eastwood is almost a sideline observer, arguably not even involved directly with the plot, and affect the fate of the principles until the finale. Perhaps what really intrigued Eastwood as a filmmaker was to shoot a classy Hitchcock-inspired atmospheric if blunt take on the revenge exploitation genre of action cinema that was quite popular in the 1970s and 80s. If guns have typically been seen as an extension or metaphor for the exertion of masculinity, then with Sondra Locke as an artist who with her sister got gangraped a decade earlier, she goes biblical in her retribution by castrating her perpetrators with a firearm, thus cancelling their manhood. Then with a woman involved with that brood, she gets shot in the breast, thus symbolically taking away her feminity.

Think of all this as like a non-martial arts, down to Earth grounded KILL BILL for the Reagan Decade.

Of course this is still a Dirty Harry movie, and you know what that means. He thwarts a cafe robbery while spouting one of the greatest one-liners in all of American cinema (which was then quoted in a speech by the then-U.S. President), giving the look that yeah today would be Christmas for him if he could just blast away that one last criminal. Though quite honestly, the most awesome badass scene in IMPACT is when he crashes the wedding of a mobster's granddaughter. Harry blackmails him with "confessional" letters written by his dead mistress, which promptly gives the guy a fatal heart attack, and Harry leaves...throwing away the papers revealed to be blank.
Poor girl, imagine that her wedding anniversary for now on will coincide when her gramps kicked the bucket.

The department bureaucrats, forever placing him on suspension or threatening jail time, are here again and they get angry at him defending himself after some henchmen of the dead gangster jump him. Look, I can understand at times their problems with his lack of disregard for civil rights and pragmatism, but in this instance, they're being ridiculous. Still, we get a cool Eastwood's exchange with his superior:

Captain Briggs: "Don't you lecture me, you son of a bitch! Do you know who I am? Do you know my record?"
Harry: "Yeah... you're a legend in your own mind."

Now that's a verbal bitchslap!

Another touch from Eastwood I liked is when he's sent down to the city where Locke is avenging, and he goes into a bar doing his usual policework, there is something shocking in how everyone there just laughs at him. Is Eastwood trying to make a point of how what seems serious in San Francisco seems ludicrous outside city limits, i.e. if people acted like movie cops in reality, or was Eastwood wanting a startling turn of events, twisting upon our expectations of what will happen in a Dirty Harry picture?

Yet I think there is something clunky in how two seperate movies got sewn together, and many moments not feeling like either are a natural progression or a consequence of the other. Then you have this whole sequence where Eastwood is target practicing his new "toy," which was a pointless commercial for the .44 Automag. It's a super cannon pistol, but it just lacks the iconic and powerful lure of his legendary Smith & Wesson Model 29 .44 Magnum Revolver. Notice that the Automag, unless my memory fails me, didn't return for the last Dirty Harry flick in THE DEAD POOL. I also don't care for the ole stereotypical middle-aged hag lesbian villain, or Locke's sister still catatonic from the sexual assault (sexist?) and Harry getting a sidekick in a farting bulldog that urinates everywhere (though I must admit, I laughed. Sorry).

But there is a crowd-cheering moment in the climax when Eastwood shows up ready to kick some ass, a black shadowry figure representing a hero's tendency for violence, yet surrounded with the white borderline of righteousness. Also, you gotta dig where one of the rapists gets impaled, i.e. he gets penetrated back by Locke. Nice subtlety, Clint.

Still, it's worth noting that the original DIRTY HARRY from the early 70s was all about the legal system being inherently broken by giving the bad guys too many rights, but by SUDDEN IMPACT we learn of a cop who had covered up Locke's rape. I mean, if that act of law enforcement corruption had not taken place, justice would have been served at the courts, and she wouldn't have to go around and giving gory vascectomies. Is it possible that as a character, Dirty Harry had evolved from simplicity that George Wallace had campaigned about, to a more complex interesting archetype?
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/01/08 01:16 AM

Let Sleeping Corpses Lie
aka The Living Dead at Manchester Morgue
Jorge Grau 1974 Spain / Italy

An experimental radar machine used by farmers as a pesticide alternative also wakens the dead who terrorize the town. After the first killing, a man and woman traveling together through the countryside are suspected by the police and are not allowed to leave.

This is one of the best zombie movies I've seen in a long time. I might even rank it as my second favorite right after Night of the Living Dead. It's too bad that this movie followed the success of Night of the Living Dead along with so many others because it is a good movie that was lost in the mix. With a very strong environmental message taking place in England it is a bit slower than most zombie movies which works great because Grau builds the atmosphere so well. There aren't even that many zombies but when you see them they are frightening and, unlike most other movies in it's genre, the zombies don't seem to be completely brain dead, holding grudges and even working together to kill their targets.

Aside from an overly dramatic police detective (which didn't bother me) the acting was very good. The cinematography was well done including beautiful green English hills and streams as well as interesting camera angles of the zombies attacking.

The gore is there and disturbing as one might expect from a zombie film, but it is relatively minimal and used effectively. The horror is mostly in the atmosphere.

My only criticism is that there is a sound issue where the voices don't seem to always match up with the actors mouth movement giving it a dubbed foreign language feel. My guess is that the actors re-recorded their own voices in a studio later on to cut down on outside noise. Maybe someone here who has more technical knowledge could explain why the sound might be a little off at times. The sound issue wasn't that bad though and I highly recommend this to anyone who is a fan of zombie films.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/01/08 11:20 PM

Although I've seen it hundreds of times, while I was flipping through the channels, I came across Shawshank Redemption on Cinemax. I can't NOT watch it. The acting, the script, everything is just perfect in this movie.

Although they've both had other great roles, Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman were superb together in this film and played their parts so wonderfully. The friendship they shared, the life lessons their characters taught one another. The film is just magical.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/01/08 11:52 PM

That's why it is #1 on IMDB just above The Godfather. It's one of those movies that you can't pass up on T.V. and everyone likes it (even thought it's not a better movie than The Godfather).

It's overall appeal is what makes The Shawshank Redemption so great.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/02/08 12:28 PM

I'm with you SB. I never saw SR on the big screen and saw it in the tv listings in recent years and always wondered what the heck is a Shawshank? confused Seriously, I'd skip over it for a while not really knowing what it was about. One day I read the description and also heard from a oouple people how good it was, so finally watched it......and loved it. smile

It's been a while since I've seen it, but I'd be up for watching again. One of my favorites actually.

TIS
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/02/08 08:26 PM

1) I just watched Insomnia on dvd with Al Pacino. Robin Williams is excellent as the villain. The dvd also had an interview with Al and a host of other extras.

2)Alien vs predator-requiem was a dud. The biggest problem is the movie is shot entirely in such a dark way that one needs night vision goggles to view it.

3) The recruit with Al Pacino and Colin Farrell is also another great work. Pacino shows that he still has it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/02/08 11:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
1) I just watched Insomnia on dvd with Al Pacino. Robin Williams is excellent as the villain. The dvd also had an interview with Al and a host of other extras.


Check the original INSOMNIA from Scandanavia sometime. It's better, but Nolan's remake is pretty good.

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
2)Alien vs predator-requiem was a dud. The biggest problem is the movie is shot entirely in such a dark way that one needs night vision goggles to view it.


The fact that it sucked a golfball through a waterhose didn't help either.

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
3) The recruit with Al Pacino and Colin Farril[sp] is also another great work. Pacino shows that he still has it.


Not seen that one.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/08 11:47 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
THE WANDERERS (1979) ****

Where do I start? This film is one of the most underrated films of the 70s, maybe ever. And not just because it's set in the Fordham section of the Bronx, where Pizzaboy grew up. It's just that good.

THE WANDERERS is many things...an urban gang drama, juvenile comedy, changing of the times study and more. It works on all these levels and has become a certified cult classic. At it's core, the Wanderers is about the final death of the innocence of the 1950's. The Wanderers are an Italian gang in NY, still clinging to the last vestiges of the 1950's with their matching satin jackets and grease-backed hair. Early on several members run afoul of another gang, the notorious Baldies (Baldies footnote---They were a real gang; Dion DiMucci, of Dion and the Belmonts fame was a member, but chickened out of shaving his head, so he was thrown out). The Wanderers find themselves trapped until a newcomer, the huge Perry saves them and is immediately welcomed into the gang by their leader Richie (Ken Wahl).

The various members of the Wanderers have problems to deal with on their own. Richie has gotten his girlfriend, Despie, pregnant, Perry's mother is an Alcoholic, Turkey wants to join the Baldies and Joey has an abusive father who thinks his son doesn't measure up. The Wanderers have a verbal war with a black gang, the Del Bombers, in school and decide to settle things with an old-fashioned rumble.

When the Wanderers cannot get any other gangs to back them up, Despie's father (Dolph Sweet) a neighborhood mob boss steps in and decides to stop the rumble and have the gangs settle their differences with a football game instead...with a lot of mob money riding on the outcome. The game climaxes when the two gangs, along with the rest in attendance, must join together to fight The Ducky Boys, a group of vicious, seemingly Irish homosexuals (although their ethnicity is never mentioned), who have crashed the game with hundreds of members. The location filming of the football game, at French Charlie's field on Webster Avenue is fantastic. I played ball there religiously when I was growing up.

Mixed in with the drama and action is a liberal amount of juvenile buddy comedy as the Wanderers "accidentally" bump into women on the street in order to touch their breasts. This is how the meet Nina (Karen Allen) a bohemian girl who Richie becomes infatuated with. There there are drunken parties, games of strip poker, etc. In one memorable scene, the drunken Baldies join the marines.

Through all of this is the theme of the changing of the times. The doo-wop of the 1950's is now being replaced by folk music. A poignant scene has Richie following Nina until she enters a club where (in sound anyway) Bob Dylan is playing. Richie doesn't enter as he seems to know that it's just not his world. The film also covers the assasination of John Kennedy as the symbolic death of innocence. It is this moment the galvanizes the strained relationship between Despie and Richie.

One wishes that the Ducky Boys had been better explained. They are a creepy group of men..older than the other gangs...who never speak and were actually seen taking Holy Communion in one part where Turkey enters their turf by mistake and his killed. What were the Ducky Boys representing? It's the one mystery of the film.

THE WANDERERS has a fantastic soundtrack of early 1960's hits including "Soldier Boy", "Walk Like a Man", "Runaround Sue", "Shout", "Big Girls don't Cry" and of course the title track.

This is a movie that holds up still after 25 years because it works well on so many different levels. This was mostly a cast of unknowns with Karen Allen perhaps being the most notable star a year after she did ANIMAL HOUSE. An enjoyable movie from beginning to end.

DON'T FUCK WITH THE WONGS!

LEAVE THE KID ALONE!

Don't know what the hell Pizzaboy is talking about?

Watch this underrated classic and find out.
This review is plagiarised.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2B6SQ89S2BRTB
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/08 11:47 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
PRINCE OF THE CITY (1981) ****

Okay, Ronnie. Let me know what you think.

There once was a kingdom ruled over by a fair and righteous king. One day, an evil witch descended upon the well from which the people drank, and poisoned the water. The very next day everyone but the righteous king drank the poisoned water. And they all went insane. All but the king that is. For several days after, the people wondered aloud, "What happened to our king," they shouted in the streets, "Has he gone insane?" So the king went and drank from the poisoned water, and everything was well again.

That is the story Al Pacino's girlfriend tells him late in SERPICO, Sidney Lumet's celebrated 1973 true-life tale about police corruption and one's man's obstinate stand against it. Apart from Pacino's performance as Frank Serpico, that film was a compromised moral drama, thrown haphazardly together to fit a commercial running time. The success of DOG DAY AFTERNOON (1975) and NETWORK (1976) then allowed Lumet to make PRINCE OF THE CITY, unquestionably his greatest work, and worthy of the story of the king. As a piece of narrative it ignores all the established rules: There are no acts (first, second or third). There are no heroes, and no villains. There are no gun battles or showdowns. This, for its entire three hour running time, is an account of a cop who decides to blow the whistle on corruption, and the legal repercussions that ensue. Unlike Serpico, Det. Daniel Ciello (Treat Williams) is no saint. He does what, in his view, needs to be done. And given the nature of power, a lot more. On his own accord, he heads to the Chase commission, where he decides to "do the right thing", and confess. His one condition? He won't rat on his partners. He knows them to be good men. We see them at his luxurious two-story house. They are cordial, pleasant, brotherly. When he states his condition to the government lawyers, he says, "I sleep with my wife. But I live with my partners."

Except the forces that be don't see things the way he does. Ciello and his partners are the Special Investigative Unit for Narcotics, the "Princes of the city". They have citywide jurisdiction and are virtually unsupervised. When they make a bust they A) Keep the drug dealer's money. B) Sell the drug dealer his freedom. Or C) Arrest him and take his money. They have reasons too. You see, a drug dealer without money would never be able to buy another cop, a DA or a judge. And if they don't have enough evidence to convict anyway, they may as well have the money. This group of cops, as they have no doubt explained to themselves, tens if not hundreds of times, have a moral right to scam the dealers. They have a moral imperative to keep their junkie stoolies (snitches) supplied with Heroin. Yes they do this for the information, but also because, "a junkie will break your heart." The practice of giving Heroin, according to the government lawyers, is exactly the same as dealing. Legally, they are as culpable as drug dealers. And the moral haze thickens.

No one joins the police force to become a bad guy. That is why Lumet, whose films are basically about the subjectivity of right and wrong, is fascinated with cops. They are not gangsters, who, as depicted in Scorsese's GOODFELLAS, are more about the money and "the life" than a mythical code of honor. For cops (even those who beat protestors or torture prisoners around the world) there has been, in most cases, a point where they justified their actions. In PRINCE OF THE CITY, Lumet affords all his characters, including the tens of government lawyers, an unfeigned authenticity that makes every scene in the film riveting. For every odious act performed against, or by a cop (or even a lawyer), there's an underlying moral position. The moral complexity of Lumet's best work lies in the assumption that pure evil does not exist.

What sets PRINCE OF THE CITY apart (and what earns it comparisons to the films of Martin Scorsese) is the unusual strength of its characters. Lumet, who co-wrote the screenplay, something he does not do often, employs a strangely effective technique. Instead of a narration, there are regular grim stills of the ID Cards of the characters involved accompanied by quotations such as "nobody cares about you but your partners", and "I'll be telling lies for the rest of my life". The whole film then takes a feel of a postmortem documentary. The stills are there because the characters involved, probably for calamitous reasons, need to be identified. The quotations are the leads character's regrets. And as Ciello, Treat Williams gives a forceful performance that requires him to be in every scene. His character's quest for absolution closely resembles that of Charlie in Scorsese's MEAN STREETS. Why did this successful "Prince of the City" decide to voluntarily confess his trespasses, throwing all his riches away? Maybe the sight of starved junkie, shivering in abandoned warehouse, begging him for drugs didn't seem like much of a kingdom.

In my opinion, this is the second best cop movie ever---after THE FRENCH CONNECTION. And I almost forgot, if you think that Lenny Briscoe was Jerry Orbach's best cop role, think again.
This review is plagiarised.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2J9RNT9TTV5XH/
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/08 11:47 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
MR. SATURDAY NIGHT (1992) ***

I caught this highly overlooked film last night on basic cable.

It's a very personal project for Billy Crystal, who directs and stars as Buddy Young, Jr., an aging, bitter comedian whose life throughout four decades is explored in this picture.

Starting with some terrific lines about the mountains of not-particularly-healthy food that awaited them at dinnertime, Buddy and his brother, Stan (David Paymer) entertain for the family. Years pass and Buddy's brother is now his manager. The film bounces back and forth throughout the years, occasionally returning to the present, where Buddy is now entertaining senior centers and not getting the same sort of reaction he got years prior. His brother believes that it's finally time to close the curtain on his career.

The film really walks a fine line between being too sentimental and genuinely heartbreaking. There's a particular quality about David Paymer's terrific performance that allows him to be intelligent, hurt and sympathetic; after years of withstanding Buddy's sarcastic comments and insults, he realizes that when he says that "he can't do this anymore" this time, he really means it. This takes place in an early scene in a diner - Buddy's gotten older, but there's finally a flicker of recognition after all these years that he may have hurt or neglected those who have loved him.

Crystal's performance is the best of a series of fine efforts contained in the film. You get the feeling that he knows a wealth comedians similar to Buddy Young, Jr. He has the timing down, he connects with the sort of arc that some of these entertainers must face, going with the lows and highs of the great years until they finally find themselves fading. As previously noted, Paymer's performance is a delight; the two work off one another believably and really seem like brothers. Julie Warner is sweet and engaging as Crystal's wife, while Helen Hunt is fine in an early performance as a possible new agent for Buddy.

If anything, Crystal could have even made the film even better had some editing been done. At a run time of around two hours, there are a few scenes that could have been deleted to help the pace of the film. As is, it's not a groundbreaking or hugely memorable picture, but there's some really poignant and sharply funny moments, as well as strong performances.

This review is plagiarised.

http://www.currentfilm.com/dvdreviews4/mrsaturdaynightdvd.html
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/08 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
1) I just watched Insomnia on dvd with Al Pacino. Robin Williams is excellent as the villain. The dvd also had an interview with Al and a host of other extras.


Check the original INSOMNIA from Scandanavia sometime. It's better, but Nolan's remake is pretty good.

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
2)Alien vs predator-requiem was a dud. The biggest problem is the movie is shot entirely in such a dark way that one needs night vision goggles to view it.


The fact that it sucked a golfball through a waterhose didn't help either.

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
3) The recruit with Al Pacino and Colin Farrell is also another great work. Pacino shows that he still has it.


Not seen that one.



The recruit



http://www.amazon.com/Recruit-Conrad-Ber...7282&sr=1-1

Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/08 10:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
This review is plagiarised.

All right, we get the point! tongue

I encourage PB to defend himself, if he can, but would otherwise like to remind people to please do not post any materials claiming or implying that they are your own! Always provide the source of the material, and a link to the material.

According to the rules, everyone is responsible for their own actions. I'm sure the last thing you need would be to get into trouble for attributing others' work as your own.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/06/08 02:43 AM

Snatch

...Not as good as Lock, Stock, and 2 Smoking Barrels
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/06/08 02:46 AM

In terms of style, they were very similar though.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/06/08 02:48 AM

Originally Posted By: svsg
In terms of style, they were very similar though.
And I liked the Pikey character Brad Pitt played, but I don't know. It was just missing something that was in the other film.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/06/08 03:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
Snatch

...Not as good as Lock, Stock, and 2 Smoking Barrels


Really? I thought it was much funnier with a better cast
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/06/08 01:55 PM

I prefer Snatch over Lock Stock..
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/06/08 06:40 PM

De Niro made a joke!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/07/08 12:12 AM

Ha!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/07/08 04:24 PM



CLASS OF 1999 (1990) - ***

"...Thumbs Up!" - Gene Siskel

In the future nine years ago, the gang violence at American high schools as seen in Mark Lester's original CLASS OF 1984 apparently escalate to the point that the police has pretty much abandoned the regions around the schools and refuse to venture into such teen-punk controlled "free-fire zones." The newly-formed Department of Educational Defense(!) are taking the anarchy-ruled schools back using the help of cyborg teachers, starting with Kennedy High in Seattle. With such a premise, you know this movie will have the bots go haywire and start killing everyone, instead of operating smoothly and reforming the joint successfully, turning all the gangbangers into good students.

Pretty much if CLASS OF 1984 was a very good exercise in revenge action exploitation about a persecuted teacher having to stand up to some kids, then 1999 is pure science fiction shoot-em-up, mostly brain-less, action cinema junk where the teachers are now the villains, or think of this as like when Arnold Schwarzenegger switched sides in TERMINATOR 2

Really, I shouldn't have enjoyed CLASS OF 1999 as much as I did, and if I had subscribed to the so-called guilty pleasure theory, this would be such a title. But I don't believe in that nonsense, either you dig a movie or you don't. That "guilty pleasure" label is a pussy-proof term for people who fear that their friends may turn their noses up at them. Screw that, I liked CLASS OF 1999 and I apologize to absolutely no one for it. Kiss my ass.

You know, that wouldn't be a bad epitaph on my tombstone.

Anyway, the only way I can describe CLASS is that like your weekly Sci-Fi Channel Original Movie of the Week, at least 95% of this very low budget film is a rehash of better films from ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK to THE TERMINATOR to ROBOCOP and I lost count afterwards. This also one of those silly B-picture from the late 1980s/early 90s where the "futuristic" art direction is neon and purple, the computer technology never advanced beyond the Macintosh, a cheesy score and of course the obligatory robotic voice-over and the cheap primitive graphics of the time.

But what works is that unlike most such Sci-Fi Channel dreck, CLASS has an engaging-enough premise to hook ya in, and actually pays off as much as possible on it. You have this school that's been transformed into a secured fortress where paramilitary guards with automatics patrol, making the students check their guns in at the entrance, and taken back and forth by armored buses. The new professors initially go all medieval on the unruly gangsters in a satisfying ubermensh fantasy, including bringing back spanking to discipline in a scene so ridiculously good, you have to see it for yourself:



For what it is, 1999 is solid trash matinee entertainment but it's inferior to the earlier CLASS if simply because while 1984 was raised above-average by the terrific acting from Timothy Van Patten and Perry King, the cast here is lackluster. Mind you, 1999 has a terrific B-movie talented cast with Stacey Keach, Malcolm McDowell, Pam Grier, and Z-genre favorite Pat Kilpatrick, but damn the actors playing the gangster kids are just dullard. Bradley Gregg as the anti-hero badboy teenager is like a poor man's Michael Pare in his gruff mean tough tone of voice, and Pare is impoverished as he is.

Still, how many movies you know of that begin with the protagonist being released from jail, and the condition of his parole is that he must attend high school? I mean I can understand him, but why does every other kid at Kennedy High go? Is it like part of a deal between the police and these punks in exchange for the gangs to retain rule of their free-fire zone? How does that gun-check actually work? Why is there a forklift in the high school basement at the climax? Why does Principal McDowell let his daughter attend this school from hell, instead of some private institution far far away, in spite of the nasty gangs roaming around? Can a robot really be strangled to death? Why are the cyborgs given folders for "data on the worst offenders" when it could have been simply booted directly into their main-frame? Why is it that every movie with cybernetic creatures always have a shot where there skin either fully or partially burns off to reveal the steel body underneath?

Why am I putting more thought into this than the filmmakers did?

Still, I liked the early scene when Gregg returns home and it seems like he had accidentally driven into rival turf, but then it's revealed that he only did this so to annoy his old alpha-male adversary and wreck his wheels. Even later, this rare serious moment when you see Gregg's little brother fighting their mother over drugs, and it's quite an effectively sad dramatic moment.

CLASS OF 1999 may kill a braincell or two of yours if you dare check it out when it finally goes to school on DVD this September, but it's worth it, if simply to hear this awesome line that I'll re-use if I ever get to script a movie for real: "Yeah I trust him.....like a vampire giving me a blowjob!"
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/13/08 09:05 PM




BURN AFTER READING (2008) - ***1/2

Remember ten years ago how after getting major Oscar nominations for FARGO, the critics either hated or simply dismissed THE BIG LEBOWSKI? Yeah now everyone and their mothers claim to love that one, but it got trashed in theatres like The Dude's carpet. Now I'm not accusing some of you of lying about always being there for it from the beginning, but my fuzzy math calculations here just don't add up.

Well fast forward to now, and while the reviews in general seem to be overall positive, you still have a few folks using some rather silly logic in deriding BURN AFTER READING. There are those who whine about how the Coen Brothers have strayed from the "serious drama" path of last year's NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, or how READING isn't dramatic enough, or whatever the hell. I guess if you win an Oscar, people have their bitch-sniper laser-sights on you and will execute over the most trivial stuff. And you thought Dubya could be trigger happy. Then again, maybe some of them are disgruntled Oscar poolers who were foolish enough to bet some hard cash early on BURN as an awards contender, I just don't know.

Speaking for the majority, I hate to break it to some of you, but BURN AFTER READING is a typical Coen Brothers effort. I mean for John Ford, it was cowboys. For Kurosawa, it was samurai. For Scorsese, mobsters, and so forth. With Joel and Ethan Coen, this is once again about foolish misfits being involved in something, usually a criminal enterprise, completely way over their heads, and for a few of them, they are absolutely screwed.

So for the very complicated plot, if you want to argue that there was one, is that John Malkovich, not seen by my eyes since the cinematic war crime ERAGON, is a CIA agent who gets demoted because he's an alcoholic. He gives us a great Coen-esque line to his Mormon co-worker ("Compared to you, everyone has a drinking problem!") and promptly quits to write his memoirs. His wife in Tilda Swinton plans to divorce him, so he transfers all his computer files onto a disc, which promptly is dropped at a gym by the law firm secretary, and found by fitness trainers Brad Pitt and Frances McDormand. That shallow numbskull champion tag team try to blackmail Malkovich, which I would think would be a mistake but that's only because I've seen IN THE LINE OF FIRE. Meanwhile, McDormand is internet dating Treasury agent Clooney, who himself is also banging Swinton on the side. Why he's having an affair with his enemy from MICHAEL CLAYTON who tried to carbomb him, I have no idea. I do know that their make-up sex must have been awesome.

Still with me?

As I expected, the cast was terrific and everyone has the right timing and chemistry with each other, from poor Malkovich as the Ivy League professional with a mediocre career duller than dishwater to McDormand as the sweet but purely unpractical walking mid-life crisis, everyone seems to have genuine fun with their parts. Swinton is pretty good as the authoratative stern bitch, which makes a scene revealing her profession even more hilarious, but I fear she may unfortunately get herself typecasted by Hollywood into more such roles, especially since she won an Oscar for acting such a similar character in MICHAEL CLAYTON. Still, something subtly sexy about her wearing a jewel necklace while nude in the bed with Clooney.

Clooney is of course terrific, as the charming manwhore, to which he's so good at one, I wonder if he at times is pretty much playing his tabloid reputation. I know he's good buddies with the Coens and all, but with him flirting with McDormand in front of the camera, I wonder if her husband in Joel didn't keep a gun around just in case. I mean you gotta defend your territory sometimes, even from a friendly veteran explorer of the female body like Batman.

Anyway, the word on the Internet is right, Brad Pitt does steal the movie. I've whined before of how Pitt can be a great actor when he wasn't coasting with disinterest like in SPY GAME or THE MEXICAN and so on, as if he is still trying to beat out Will Smith in taking over the fallen Tom Cruise's throne as King-Star of Hollywood. But here he's special as that guy we all know, the best friend you could ever have, but you wouldn't want to trust your life in his hands. When he meets Malkovich, I thought it was strange. Consider that Pitt once was the legendary badass Tyler Durden, he tries as this clueless dipshit to act tough here by trying to mimic Clint Eastwood as if he saw a DIRTY HARRY movie the night before, and I laugh as he tremendously fails.

Hey Brad, I forgive you finally for MR. & MRS. SMITH. I still have MEET JOE BLACK as a strike on my books, but you're doing fine so far so don't worry about. Keep up the good work mate, don't let those Paparazzi assholes get you down. Who knows, if he had just a few more sequences, he could have been a serious candidate for a Best Supporting Actor nomination. Oh well, someone else will get the lucky honor of losing to Heath Ledger.

But I must give mention to Richard Jenkins. Seemingly the only major player of this farce to not get top-billing on the memorable retro-fluffy poster, he's probably the only sane logical realistic person stuck in this mess over the MacGuffin disc. Yeah some will say that he didn't have as much material to work with as the others, but he deserves some worthy attention, of which I've found lacking so far.

I believe it was filmmaker William Friedkin on his commentary track for TO LIVE AND DIE IN L.A. who complained about redundancy in movies in terms of excessive coverage of the plot. What that means is, take for example when in READING, Pitt explains to McDormand how he found out Malkovich's identity because of some throwaway dialogue junk of knowing a computer hacker. Every other picture would have some useless scene, usually in action cinema, showing us this encounter, but the Coens don't bother, and Thank God. I would apply this as well to the ending, which some have criticized as being too abrupt and anticlimatic. I argue instead that it's a perfect sterile and very calm bookend to a lively chaotic storyline.

I would also add how READING could be seen as commentary on how a brood get into so much trouble over something irrelevant, which in itself is an allegory for us invading Iraq over those WMDs, which disapeared magically this side of Amelia Earhart and the government then claimed overnight that we were there to spread freedom like butter and herpes, but I'm tired of pompous critics who randomly inject politics into their reviews so thankfully I dodged that bullet. Plus, notice how the sexes fare ultimately in BURN. The women here haven't gotten the better end of their male mates since they dragged them to watch that SEX AND THE CITY movie earlier this year.

All I'm trying to say is that BURN AFTER READING isn't as good as say other Coen comedies like THE BIG LEBOWSKI or RAISING ARIZONA or O BROTHER WHERE ART THOU?, but its still an utterly satisfying popcorn package that is smarter, wittier, and more memorable exercise than most genre efforts we get these days. Oh and it's cool that unlike American horror, the Coens know how to weave superb gore into their narrative, and none of that CGI headshot goofyness. Unfortunately to a few, that's not enough itself considering they came off a contemporary classic masterpiece like NO COUNTRY.

Well fuck them and let me end this review by briefly talking about the audience at my screening. They hollered, they giggled, and totally dug the shit out of Pitt. They were horribly shocked in a good way when Clooney's device is revealed and in a bad way when the unexpected plot twist occurs. Unlike years ago with INTOLERABLE CRUELTY and THE LADYKILLERS, afterwards I felt a good buzz from the exiting crowd, and this may in fact probably end up as the #1 movie this weekend.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/14/08 05:41 AM


Wes Craven's New Nightmare (1994) (No Stars)

Just... embarrassing.

And is THIS really fucking necessary?? A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010) (pre-production) rolleyes The original was great. The sequels, well, they are what they are like most others. NEW NIGHTMARE *is* a nightmare, scarier (that they made it, not its content) than any Craven film. But now the need for a REMAKE?? Gimme a fucking break already...! Hollywood sucks fat dick. Oh good! Cody Banks 2 is on! Infinitely better than this shit.





Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/14/08 06:10 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Wes Craven's New Nightmare (1994) (No Stars)

Just... embarrassing.

And is THIS really fucking necessary?? A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010) (pre-production) rolleyes The original was great. The sequels, well, they are what they are like most others. NEW NIGHTMARE *is* a nightmare, scarier (that they made it, not its content) than any Craven film. But now the need for a REMAKE?? Gimme a fucking break already...! Hollywood sucks fat dick. Oh good! Cody Banks 2 is on! Infinitely better than this shit.







And yet I ask, are you really surprised?

Unless I'm mistaken, Billy Bob Thornton is now Krueger in this (pointless) remake, and you know Thornton is a good presence at times, but fuck Robert Englund is Krueger.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/14/08 06:17 AM


I think this is the 2nd time I'm in agreement with you! wink

Hollywood sucks!

I'd rather see a Porky's 4 than another fucking remake of a CLASSIC!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/14/08 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I think this is the 2nd time I'm in agreement with you! wink

Hollywood sucks!

I'd rather see a Porky's 4 than another fucking remake of a CLASSIC!





How about neither? tongue
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/14/08 06:07 PM

After the HALLOWEEN remake, we should have seen these coming. The Michael Bay produced remake of FRIDAY THE 13TH hits theaters this coming February. I read that it makes Jason out to be a bit more sympathetic a character, having been the nerdy outcast in school, blah, blah, blah . . .

Here's the Wikipedia synopsis: Friday The 13th (2009)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/15/08 01:49 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
After the HALLOWEEN remake, we should have seen these coming. The Michael Bay produced remake of FRIDAY THE 13TH hits theaters this coming February. I read that it makes Jason out to be a bit more sympathetic a character, having been the nerdy outcast in school, blah, blah, blah . . .

Here's the Wikipedia synopsis: Friday The 13th (2009)


Oh for fucks sake.

That doesn't make me sympathize with the guy at all. I mean can we quit this emo-bullying bullshit? I'm fucking tired of it.

Also, to be honest, I thought his origin was just fine as it was....the poor retarded kid who drowns because some people were too busy fucking around and not doing their jobs.

I mean think about it, many people have horribly died because of the curse set by those two...
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/15/08 02:22 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
After the HALLOWEEN remake, we should have seen these coming. The Michael Bay produced remake of FRIDAY THE 13TH hits theaters this coming February. I read that it makes Jason out to be a bit more sympathetic a character, having been the nerdy outcast in school, blah, blah, blah . . .

Here's the Wikipedia synopsis: Friday The 13th (2009)


Don't you worry, don't you fret, A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET is getting the remake treatment as well
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/15/08 02:45 AM

Breaking news: There is going to be a Nightmare on Elm Street remake!
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/15/08 05:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Breaking news: There is going to be a Nightmare on Elm Street remake!


No way!!! eek

whistle
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/15/08 06:58 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Breaking news: There is going to be a Nightmare on Elm Street remake!


No way!!! eek

whistle



Seriously!! I heard it here first!
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/15/08 11:42 AM

Watched The Hoax starring Richard Gere. It's based on the true story of Clifford Irving, an author who submits forged contracts to publishing giant McGraw Hill, claiming that he has been given the exclusive rights to ghost-write Howard Hughes' autobiography. They fork over the dough, no problem, but then he has to come up with wackier and wackier antics to perpetuate the lie.

It was well-written and well-acted. Alfred Molina, as Irving's best friend and researcher, gives a very good performance. Marcia Gay Harden, as his long-suffering wife, is simply annoying. I'd cheat on this woman, too.

I do recommend the film, though, if only to see Richard Gere as a brunette. wink
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/15/08 02:45 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
After the HALLOWEEN remake, we should have seen these coming. The Michael Bay produced remake of FRIDAY THE 13TH hits theaters this coming February. I read that it makes Jason out to be a bit more sympathetic a character, having been the nerdy outcast in school, blah, blah, blah . . .

Here's the Wikipedia synopsis: Friday The 13th (2009)


Oh for fucks sake.

That doesn't make me sympathize with the guy at all. I mean can we quit this emo-bullying bullshit? I'm fucking tired of it.



I agree. Are we that politically correct, that we need to know that if Jason got a hug once in a while, he'd have turned out just fine?
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/15/08 04:22 PM

I just watched Mean Streets on DVD and enjoyed it. Martin Scorsese is a genius when it comes to this genre. Robert DeNiro steals the show as Johnny Boy. I am still wondering if he died at the end of the movie. David Proval was also great in a part that could have been an inspiration for his latter role of Richie Aprile on The Sopranos.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/15/08 04:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
I just watched Mean Streets on DVD and enjoyed it. Martin Scorsese is a genius when it comes to this genre. Robert DeNiro steals the show as Johnny Boy. I am still wondering if he died at the end of the movie. David Proval was also great in a part that could have been an inspiration for his latter role of Richie Aprile on The Sopranos.


One of my all-time favorites. If Johnny Boy did survive those wounds, I can't imagine he would have been long for this world either way. Not with his attitude. An absolute classic New York City street film.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/15/08 10:06 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
I just watched Mean Streets on DVD and enjoyed it. Martin Scorsese is a genius when it comes to this genre. Robert DeNiro steals the show as Johnny Boy. I am still wondering if he died at the end of the movie. David Proval was also great in a part that could have been an inspiration for his latter role of Richie Aprile on The Sopranos.


One of my all-time favorites. If Johnny Boy did survive those wounds, I can't imagine he would have been long for this world either way. Not with his attitude. An absolute classic New York City street film.


I'm going through all 25 of Marty's movies right now in chronological order. Tonight I'm going to watch BRINGING OUT THE DEAD. So far I've loved everything and it's no wonder Marty's my favorite director
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/16/08 02:57 PM

Watched BOOGIE NIGHTS again.

Great film,very funny.I could watch it over and over!
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/17/08 04:40 AM


In the middle of Speed Racer (2008) and can't believe I'm still watching this pile of shit. ohwell
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/17/08 06:28 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

In the middle of Speed Racer (2008) and can't believe I'm still watching this pile of shit. ohwell


Wow. I actually fell asleep during it, woke up, and didn't feel I missed anything at all. I watched the original anime version all the time as a kid and liked it (and I don't even particularly like anime), but this pseudo-anime-live-action comes off as total crap to me here. At least Dick Tracy had some charm to it. Forget this nightmare.

And guess what? Next up I have The Love Guru. Apparently I'm torturing myself with shit films this week. The only cool thing is that I received them both from Netflix on their DVD release date! I should get 88 Minutes in a day or two to round out my trifuckeda (not counting New Nightmare). ohwell

Godfather's coming soon at least... cool
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/17/08 08:07 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: J Geoff

In the middle of Speed Racer (2008) and can't believe I'm still watching this pile of shit. ohwell


Wow. I actually fell asleep during it, woke up, and didn't feel I missed anything at all. I watched the original anime version all the time as a kid and liked it (and I don't even particularly like anime), but this pseudo-anime-live-action comes off as total crap to me here. At least Dick Tracy had some charm to it. Forget this nightmare.



I bet its Irishmans fav film of 2008 wink
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/17/08 09:47 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

In the middle of Speed Racer (2008) and can't believe I'm still watching this pile of shit. ohwell




Yeah, I had a free movie ticket and almost walked outta the theater myself
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/17/08 09:48 PM

Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: J Geoff

In the middle of Speed Racer (2008) and can't believe I'm still watching this pile of shit. ohwell


Wow. I actually fell asleep during it, woke up, and didn't feel I missed anything at all. I watched the original anime version all the time as a kid and liked it (and I don't even particularly like anime), but this pseudo-anime-live-action comes off as total crap to me here. At least Dick Tracy had some charm to it. Forget this nightmare.



I bet its Irishmans fav film of 2008 wink


Na, my favorite film of 2008 thus far is THE DARK KNIGHT with IRON MAN being #2
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/17/08 10:33 PM

Irish, what is your view on Wall-e?
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/17/08 10:54 PM

Haven't seen it yet. Waiting for DVD
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/17/08 11:43 PM

You should all stop buying dvds and check this website out..

http://www.watch-movies.net/
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 02:19 AM

I do go there sometimes DE NIRO tongue I download my music but I always buy my DVDs
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 04:07 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Next up I have The Love Guru. Apparently I'm torturing myself with shit films this week....

Okay, the usual corny Mike Meyers, but not as bad as I expected. Nothing new here, though.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 04:12 AM

Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
You should all stop buying dvds and check this website out..
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
I do go there sometimes DE NIRO tongue I download my music but I always buy my DVDs


And when you kids realize a few years from now when the entertainment industries are in shambles and cannot afford real talent because of their lack of income to invest in talent because some cheapass people choose to steal their products... then enjoy your shitty downloads. tongue

Don't wanna buy a DVD? At least rent it. Don't wanna buy a CD? Then at least spend the 99c for a song. Pay the ARTISTS who created it! tongue
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 05:47 AM

Man, Transformers was awful. I went to bed in the middle of the movie. Now I typically like parodies, comedies and jokes in general, but their jokes was even worse than Scary Movie 4. The human kind is doomed with this sort of movies anyway, I don't care for the ending of this picture. Okay, I'll see the other half today. lol
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 05:55 AM


I didn't mind Transformers, but I also don't quite recall the actual ending... lol I don't mind cheezy movies, if I go into them knowing that.. then it's just fun. And I do have fun w/ bad movies. But some are TOO bad to be good... grin
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 06:01 AM

Well, I never expected it to be this bad, considering the IMDb ratings. grin
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 06:03 AM

I didn't think Transformers was that bad either, in a summer popcorn movie way. It's no masterpiece, but I was entertained.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 10:23 AM

I loved TRANSFORMERS. One of my favorite movies last year. I can't wait for #2 next year!
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 06:08 PM

I prefered Transformers to the horrendous pile of c**p that was Black Sheep.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
You should all stop buying dvds and check this website out..
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
I do go there sometimes DE NIRO tongue I download my music but I always buy my DVDs


And when you kids realize a few years from now when the entertainment industries are in shambles and cannot afford real talent because of their lack of income to invest in talent because some cheapass people choose to steal their products... then enjoy your shitty downloads. tongue

Don't wanna buy a DVD? At least rent it. Don't wanna buy a CD? Then at least spend the 99c for a song. Pay the ARTISTS who created it! tongue




I aint no "kid",i dont download them i just watch the films on there..

Why pay £10-15 for a dvd when i can watch it for nothing, besides i dont watch new films on there, just old ones..
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 08:53 PM

I remember reading that they plan on remaking The Dirty Dozen. I just finished watching The Usual Suspects again on DVD. Spacey is excellent and this movie is a definite classic IMHO.
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 10:54 PM

I really liked The Usual Suspects too, I thought it was thrilling and it keeps you guessing right up to the end.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/18/08 11:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
I remember reading that they plan on remaking The Dirty Dozen.


Joel Silver is producing that venture, and unless I'm mistaken, Guy Ritchie is still attached to direct.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/19/08 04:25 PM

Watched PAPILLION last night,starring the coolest man to ever stalk the screen,Steve Mcqueen!

Great movie.

I hear a rumour that they are looking to remake it starring Seymour Hoffman and Downey Jr?
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/19/08 04:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Watched PAPILLION last night,starring the coolest man to ever stalk the screen,Steve Mcqueen!

Great movie.


If you liked the movie, you'll LOVE the book (it's much better). Look for it in your library... it was written by Henri Charriere (spelling may be wrong).
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/19/08 05:13 PM

I never read the book, but I do remember my parents taking me to see it when I was a kid. It was a very impressive movie, for sure. I remember that as one of the first movies that I saw with Dustin Hoffman. I guess I wasn't allowed to see The Graduate or Midnight Cowboy.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/19/08 05:19 PM

I saw THE GRADUATE in the movies with my Uncle Lou. He's only 8 years older than me, so he was my "cool" uncle growing up. I guess I was 8 and he was 16 when it came out in '67. He lived in Yonkers. We saw it at the Kent Theatre on McLean Avenue. You may remember that place, Babe. It was near Wakefield, just over the Bronx/Yonkers line.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/19/08 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I remember that as one of the first movies that I saw with Dustin Hoffman. I guess I wasn't allowed to see The Graduate or Midnight Cowboy.


I suddenly feel very old. I was in a high school class in Sociology and was assigned to see "The Graduate" as part of a group discussion. (Of course I loved it).
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/19/08 06:24 PM

I was 6 when it came out.

Mommy, why is Mrs. Robinson always bothering that boy??
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/19/08 06:29 PM

I love The Graduate. Especially the parts when he is with Mrs Robinson!
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/19/08 08:12 PM

I just started watching Fallen with Denzel Washington and a little known actor by the name of James Gandolfini.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/20/08 02:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
I just started watching Fallen with Denzel Washington and a little known actor by the name of James Gandolfini.



I never saw that movie at the theater, and don't now if it was a big hit or not, but I really liked that movie. smile Did you enjoy it Paul?



TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/20/08 02:43 AM

Tiiiime is on my side, yes it is...

That movie scared the heck out of me. I thought that John Goodman and Denzel Washington were very good together.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/20/08 03:16 AM

Mr. Babe is driving me nuts. He's flipping back and forth between The Right Stuff and Aliens. Needless to say, it's getting rather confusing.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/26/08 03:51 PM

go see Elite Squad! official trailer in here.

I suppose most of you will not like it and the international version will probably be a piece of shit. they already changed the focus of the plot from Cap. Nascimento to the two recruits, which is a bad start but give it a chance!
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/27/08 12:54 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
I just started watching Fallen with Denzel Washington and a little known actor by the name of James Gandolfini.



I never saw that movie at the theater, and don't now if it was a big hit or not, but I really liked that movie. smile Did you enjoy it Paul?



TIS



Yes, it was very good.
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/27/08 01:01 PM

I just finished watching the following:

1) Narc. Ray Liotta shined in the role of Detective Oak. Jason Patric wasn't bad as Liotta's partner. Both are investigating the mysterious death of a fellow Narcotics officer.

2) The Silence of the Lambs- Anthony Hopkins was scary in the role of Dr Hannibal Lecter. Ted Levine played the killer dubbed Buffalo Bill. Levine was also in Crime Story with Dennis Farina. Levine can also be seen in Monk as Detective Stotelmeyer[sp].

3) The Wild Bunch- This is a masterpiece in my opinion. Sam Peckinpah was a genius.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/05/08 06:12 AM


Just watched Into the Wild (2007) ...really good stuff! A great life/journey film, but for some reason the very end seemed a bit too easy for me. But maybe that's life, huh? Ya never really know what'll do you in......
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/05/08 10:26 PM

We saw The Bucket List last night. It was a sweet movie that managed to find humor in a plot that involved two dying men. The two main characters are from completely different worlds. They are brought together because they are both dying of cancer in the same hospital room. I would imagine that the film's charm is due more to the excellence of the actors (Nicholson and Freeman) than to the excellence of the script. I liked it, though, and would definitely recommend it.

A little piece of trivia: the woman who played Morgan Freeman's wife played the assistant principal to his Joe Clark in Lean On Me.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/05/08 10:56 PM

I just watched I am Legend and the shot of the deconstructed Brooklyn Bridge(?) appears to be the same one that appeared in I, Robot.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/06/08 02:46 PM

RUN,FAT BOY RUN with Simon Pegg,about a lazy fat idler who runs the London marathon to win the love of his life back!

All a bit of tosh really,but it has some genuinely funny moments!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/06/08 02:49 PM

I enjoyed it, Yogi. David Schwimmer (FRIENDS) directed it. He showed some promise. smile
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/06/08 03:07 PM

Of course you are right PB, i forgot to mention that!

Yes i enjoyed it as well. Just lolled on the sofa watching it with a can or 2 of beer! My sort of relaxation lol
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/06/08 07:27 PM

I went to the pictures to watch this a couple of years ago... Good film.. Im really getting into Simon Pegg films...
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/07/08 02:01 PM

SHAUN OF THE DEAD is still one of my favourite movies smile
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/07/08 10:08 PM

I agree,, modern day classic..
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/12/08 06:21 PM

I just watched Billy Wilder's THE APARTMENT, with Jack Lemmon and Shirley Maclaine.

A New York City classic!
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/12/08 08:49 PM

Great movie pizzaboy. Another Lemmon classic, SOME LIKE IT HOT with Marilyn Monroe and Tony Curtis
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/12/08 11:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Lompac
I prefered Transformers to the horrendous pile of c**p that was Black Sheep.


I missed this post earlier, but which Black Sheep are you talking about? Do you mean the 2006 version where genetically altered killer fast-moving zombie-like sheep terrorize the small town farm? That movie was hilarious, in a "so bad it was funny" way. And it wasn't even that bad really. Your expectations should have been low to begin with knowing you're about to see a movie about killer sheep.
Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/13/08 04:45 AM

I just watched "The Wanderers". Anyone remember that film about the Italian Gang?

It was corny as hell, But I had a good laugh throughout the movie. I had heard about it here and there and a friend lent it to me.

I expected some hard ass crew walking the streets and taking over shit, But it turned out the Wanderers were actually quite a bunch of pussies. Except for one dude who joined later on. Then you had the Baldies (Skin head crew) the Blacks, the Wongs and the Duckie Boys.

The fight scenes were good for a laugh. There was a disturbing scened when the leader of the Baldies (prob in his mid to late twenties) makes out with his midget Girlfriend (probably 15 max). It just looked fucked up and wrong on so many levels.

But, yeah. Corny yet funny.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/13/08 07:33 AM

I haven't watched any movies in awhile really. Just haven't had the urge. I get bored even if it's a good movie I'd want to play my DS or read a book during it lately.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/13/08 07:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
I haven't watched any movies in awhile really. Just haven't had the urge. I get bored even if it's a good movie I'd want to play my DS or read a book during it lately.



Thanks for adding nothing to this thread. tongue

'night! wink
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/13/08 12:44 PM

You know those "fun" to watch movies that they play a lot and you can't resist at least watching part of it? smile For me, Die Hard is one, so Shawshank Redemmption and Overboard with Goldie Hawn & Kurt Russell.

Now, added to my list is "Final Destination". I don't always watch the entire movie, but find I enjoy certain parts and/or just can't resist watching parts of it.


TIS
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/13/08 01:06 PM

1) Hannibal- I found this movie to be scarier than any horror movie I have ever seen.
Click to reveal..
At one point in the movie Hannibal feeds Ray Liotta's character a piece of his own brain. Hannibal has managed to remove the top of Liotta's head.


2) Transformers- The movie wasn't bad. Wal-Mart was showing it and it peaked my interest.

Master and Commander- Russell Crowe was brilliant as always. The only minus was Wal Mart only has the full screen version in the $5.00 DVD bin.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/13/08 04:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
2) Transformers- The movie wasn't bad. Wal-Mart was showing it and it peaked my interest.


TRANSFORMERS was one of my favorite movies last year. A great film
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/16/08 11:02 PM



THE EXPRESS (2008) - ***

While he hasn't held the NFL All-Time Rushing title the 1980s, Jim Brown is still arguably the greatest football running back ever, if not at least still the most iconic. While other Pro Football Hall of Famers like Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, and future enshrinees like current-champion Emmitt Smith have passed Brown by in the record books, Brown is still the legendary high-water mark for that position. To quote Ric Flair, "to be the man, you gotta beat the man!" In that case, unless I'm mistaken, Curtis Martin said that his greatest career moment was surpassing Brown...not Eric Dickerson or Tony Dorsett or Franco Harris. To be quite fair, they were great and all, but none of them kicked ass in THE DIRTY DOZEN.

Anyway, THE EXPRESS reminds us that Brown didn't win the Heisman Trophy, believe it or not. In 1956, the prize went to "The Golden Boy" Paul Hornung of Notre Dame. Hell, Brown of Syracuse University was 5th in the voting! Mind you, Hornung was a terrific Hall of Fame versatile player in college and for the Green Bay Packers, but to say that he was better than Brown is like saying that Sarah Palin is a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. So if the great Jim Brown couldn't win the Heisman at such a racist time within American sports, what black athlete had a chance?

I've had a problem with most recent sports dramas produced about the American Civil Rights struggles from REMEMBER THE TITANS to GLORY ROAD in how simplistic and naively cartoonish they portray the overt racism of those times, as if it only happened down in the South and we quit afterwards. Then I see this recent flier from a Republican Party-affiliated group, and well...



I won't say that THE EXPRESS is a great example, or even a good one I guess, but as a drama I give it props for trying to express (pun!) how racism wasn't simply some ignorant opinions held by dumb hicks back in the woods, but simply based off widely-held racial assumptions about held by white people at that epoch. You know such nonsense that Blacks, err I mean Negroes, lacked the mental capacity compared to whites, are rather lazy and lack discipline without Caucasian supervision, want to steal and ravish everything, etc. Syracuse University football head coach Ben Schwartzwalder (Dennis Quaid) as seen in the film isn't necessarily a bad man or a Nazi racist, but still berates young recruit Ernie Davis (Rob Brown) for supposedly having an "eye" for the white women on campus.

I mean some of you may remember my infamous review of William Friedkin's CRUISING, where in my original draft, I thought I was being progressive and fair, until the gay users of the AD Forums (rightly) berated me for my goddamn ignorance. I still hold the opinion that CRUISING has some artistic merit to it, but yeah I do realize now that the sexual politics in it are rather insultingly stupid. Like Quaid in THE EXPRESS, I learned that I was wrong by talking to that demographic, and hopefully matured with my attitudes. Perhaps also in a few decades (hopefully), Hollywood will show our descendents how that around the turn of the millennium, some rational and logical folks seriously thought that homosexual teachers and scoutmaster were an inherent danger around children, and not priests. (Sorry, I couldn't resist that one.)

Anyway, Davis was the first black to win the Heisman Trophy, helped lead the Syracuse Orangemen to it's sole National Championship in 1959, picked #1 in the NFL Draft, but died of Leukemia at the age of 23 before ever playing a down. His #45 jersey was subsequently retired by the Cleveland Browns. As a film, THE EXPRESS has more than anything else a good true story to work with but packages a very conventional and uninspired narrative around it. Then again, what would you expect from a bland director like Gary Fleder (RUNAWAY JURY)?

That said, there was some touches I liked, enough to muster this material into watchable territory. I enjoyed how Davis as a boy being inspired by Jackie Robinson, and then being recruited by Brown, who as a mentor gives advice using lacrosse as a analogy (Fun Fact: Brown is in the National Lacrosse Hall of Fame), and would return at a key scene. This nice cyclical script device bookends when a dying Davis himself passes off his knowledge to Denver Broncos star Floyd Little, and die as a hero for eternity not just for breaking racial barriers, but also for his struggle against cancer.

If anything, I think my main criticism against THE EXPRESS is that it spends most of its emotional muster on the racism, and gives skimp time to his illness. As a bird, flying so high, more than what anyone else expected or hoped for, it's like he had to die as a result. If one wants to be pretentious enough to see it, there is a Jesus Christ analogy to this tale, what with the throwaround shots of Davis bleeding profusely. Then again, maybe the filmmakers simply didn't want BRIAN'S SONG 2. I guess I could also slack the movie for it's flat linear structure, but that's a problem with most biopics in general.

I do though must make a point of how apparently the whole sequence where Davis is acousted by a violent prejudist crowd in West Virginia did happen, but at a Syracuse home game in New York. Look, as a white southerner I won't lie or accuse away that we were awful (and none of that "Heritage, Not Hate" bullshit), but damn I hate when Hollywood won't admit that such racism wasn't relegated to the South. I mean give me a break, be honest about it.

Still, I liked THE EXPRESS. It's nothing more than decent, a TV picture that somehow escaped into theatres, and for better or for worse was exactly what I expected. Brown is good, and Quaid continues my belief that he's a tremendously underused acting tool at the movies. But during that screening, it came to mind that to our national mythology, the black pioneers were not intellectuals like W.E.B. Du Bois but iron men of physicality like Jesse Owens, Robinson, Brown, and Davis who had to unfortunately earn grudging respect from their white overlords before that ethnicity could even begin to gain traction in the cerebral field of society.

Then a few decades later, we as a nation be possibly a few weeks away from electing our first African-American Commander-in-Chief.
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/17/08 04:01 PM

I just finished watching Hannibal Rising the unrated version which explains why Hannibal became the monster we see.
Click to reveal..
Hannibal is a child of world war II. His family is killed during a battle between Russians and Germans. The surviving Russians are actually criminals who are out to make a profit. Without parents Hannibal must care for his younger sister, Misha who the renegade Russians EAT due to the lack of food. Hannibal is powerless and as a young man serves justice to all who have injured him and his sister.
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/24/08 08:08 PM

I just finished watching The Killer Elite for the second time. Sam Peckinpah directed this movie but is best known for The Wild Bunch. Godfather actors Robert Duvall and James Caan star as friends who work for the C.I.A. However the friendship doesn't last and Caan finds himself at odds with Duvall's character. Burt Young and Bo Hopkins costar.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/25/08 10:30 PM

W.


Was not a negative movie like I was expecting.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/25/08 10:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
W.


Was not a negative movie like I was expecting.


I agree, LN. I have to say, for a psycho, paranoid left-winger, Oliver Stone has treated both Nixon and GW Bush with kid gloves.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/25/08 11:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
W.


Was not a negative movie like I was expecting.


I agree. Not a bad film, but not great either. Brolin was very good as Bush
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/26/08 12:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: Longneck
W.


Was not a negative movie like I was expecting.


I agree. Not a bad film, but not great either. Brolin was very good as Bush


I agree but the other characters were more like caricatures of themselves.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/26/08 12:42 AM

So, how would you guys rate it? From what I've seen of Brolin he does seem good. I


Btw, can you guess what movie I am watching now? Hint:

1. Kind of creepy
2. "Tiiiiiiiime is on my side...yes it is." wink


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/26/08 01:06 AM

Oh, TIS, Fallen?? I do love Denzel, but that movie just freaks me out.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/26/08 01:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Oh, TIS, Fallen?? I do love Denzel, but that movie just freaks me out.


Ha ha ha...A gold star by your name SB. lol

Yea, it is creepy. I like these kinds of movies though. I had only seen it once and its been a while, so I am enjoying it second time. I forgot that James Gandolfini was in it.



TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/26/08 01:18 AM

He looks young, doesn't he? He probably was. He's only 47 now.

That scene where the demon passes from person to person as the people walk down the street and bump into one another just totally freaks me out.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/26/08 01:35 AM

I can't believe this movie is 10 years old already. Yea, everyone looks a little younger. Denzel not as much as Ganolini and even John Goodman.

They just had the part you referred to above, with the demon going from person to person. It is creepy. eek


TIS
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/26/08 01:37 AM

Hey SB, Salems Lot is on the Chiller channel. Just thought I'd let ya know.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/26/08 01:44 AM

I'm really surprised with Halloween coming up, there aren't more thriller/chiller flicks on.

I do get the SciFi Channel, but a lot of there movies are crappy IMHO. Anyone else get SciFi? Some are not bad but most of them are either theater flops or made for cable flops. lol


TIS
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/26/08 01:49 AM

I get Scifi channel to TIS. I watched a couple of the Halloween movies this evening on the AMC Channel.

I'm such a wimp. When I watch a scary movie I have to have the lights on and all the doors locked.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/26/08 07:53 PM

AMC is currently showing Stephen King's "Pet Sematary", one of my favorites. It is followed by King's "Christine" and then by another one of my personal favorites, "An American Werewolf in London" and then "Constatine", which I never saw all the way thru. At least one station is showing decent scary movies this time of year. smile


TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/27/08 12:01 AM

As I noted above, I've been watching AMC. Right now, one of my favorites, American Werewolf In London. This is one fun movie that I never get tired of watching. smile I never did see it in the theater, but recorded (VHS)from tv years and years ago. Of course I had to edit tv commericals out of it. They shortened it for tv version so there are some scenes that are not on my VHS version. I am enjoying this movie. smile

TIS
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/27/08 12:38 AM

My Son is watching Beetlejuice right now on ABC Family.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/27/08 06:03 AM

Last night I watched The Hudsucker Proxy. Man I enjoyed it. I don't remember seeing anything from the Coen brothers that I didn't really enjoy! A great and witty comedy.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/27/08 03:24 PM

I thought The Hudsucker Proxy was one of the Coens more predictable movies, but that's compared to other Coen movies, not compared to all movies smile. Tim Robbins was great in that role wasn't he?

afsaneh, what are some of your other favorite Coen bros. movies? I have seen most of them and I think, aside from the obvious ones like Fargo and No Country For Old Men, I would have to say Barton Fink was the biggest surprise for me. I loved the awkward relationship between John Turturo and John Goodman.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/27/08 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
I thought The Hudsucker Proxy was one of the Coens more predictable movies, but that's compared to other Coen movies, not compared to all movies smile. Tim Robbins was great in that role wasn't he?

afsaneh, what are some of your other favorite Coen bros. movies? I have seen most of them and I think, aside from the obvious ones like Fargo and No Country For Old Men, I would have to say Barton Fink was the biggest surprise for me. I loved the awkward relationship between John Turturo and John Goodman.


Well, I've not seen many pictures of them. Those I've seen besides the above mentioned are No Country for Old Men, Fargo, O Brother, Where Art Thou?, and Intolerable Cruelty. My most favorite thus far is definitely O Brother, Where Art Thou? and I didn't care much for Intolerable Cruelty.

I agree that The Hudsucker Proxy was predictable, but I enjoyed every minute of it. There is something about their movies... And yes, Tim was great. lol
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/28/08 03:32 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
There is something about their movies...


Those words are exactly how I've described their movies. It seems to be impossible to pinpoint what is different about them. O Brother, Where Art Thou? is up there as one of my favorites as well.

I'm curious as to how you would enjoy Barton Fink. It is a little slower-paced and dark, but has that subtle Coen humor. Another one that fits well with the theme of this BB is Miller's Crossing. Both are very well done with that "something" that makes the Coen Brothers movies unique.

But I think Raising Arizona is another one that you might like since you seem to enjoy the more lighthearted movies they have done. It's about a couple, one is a con (Nicholas Cage) who, while arrested, meets a cop (Holly Hunter) and they fall in love. They are unable to conceive a child so they decide to steal a baby from a family who has quintuplets. As you can imagine, it's as strange and funny as anything the Coens have done smile

Please let me know if you watch any more of their movies as they are my favorite.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/28/08 07:02 AM

Bibble, I surely will look for their other movies, thankfully with a slightly faster internet and torrents, I finally can find and watch whatever I want out here.

A couple of months ago, while revisiting "O Brother... ," I was so impressed how I enjoyed this viewing even more than before. I was about to go look for their other movies, but then somehow it slipped my mind as I'm constantly on the look for new episodes of my current favorite shows, such as Dexter, The Office, House MD, etc.

A few days ago I found something I've always wanted to watch: "Monty Python Flying Circus." It was 14GB, and my connection will be busy downloading that for a while, but Coens' movies are next on my list. I'll start with "Barton Fink" and will let you know what I thought about it.

Don't get me wrong, I immensely enjoyed their serious plots like "No Country for Old Men," and "Fargo," but the script for their comedies are so rich, I give the nod to "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" over those. All the cultural references, rich witty dialogues, and their view of things that come across in their pictures, well, these are my attempts to put my finger at what I like about their movies, but certainly I fail to name them all. smile
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/28/08 10:46 AM

I've never seen O BROTHER, WHERE ART THOU? but I'm surprised no one's mentioned THE BIG LEBOWSKI (one of my 2 favorite comedies of all-time along with Guy Ritchie's SNATCH)
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/28/08 11:13 AM

Snatch is marvelous as well. lol But not to worry, I'll check them all out. By the way, O Brother... is great, you should watch that. A great comedy. grin
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/28/08 01:58 PM

That's what I hear. I did try to watch it months ago and turned it off after 10-20 minutes. I just wasn't in the mood to watch it but I'll get around to it one of these days.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/10/08 04:45 PM

I spent the last 2 weeks at home because of the same condition that made George Brett remove himself from a World Series game in 1980. believe me, if I had a gun, I wouldn't be talking to you anymore...

anyway, I watched about 20 soccer games and a lot of movies. last night I rented "Taxi Driver" again and only this morning I realized "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" was on TV at the same time. I really wanted to watch it. but I'm still able to join the Coen Brothers conversation. for instance, one of the 2 DVD's in my collection (hello irish!) is "The Big Lebowski" - the other one is "GoodFellas" - such a fun movie, it makes the world shine brighter everytime I watch it. but one of the movies that I re-watched these days and that it seems none of you watched is their masterpiece of a debut, "Blood Simple".

first, it's got genious written all over it. the opening scene is exactly the same from "no country..." and there is that dark car scene in a dark road, just as in "fargo" - what I'm saying is, it's got everything we're used to love, except it's about the regular Joe dealing with a crime scene, instead of Anton Chigurh. you can watch it 25 years after its realease and feel that those young guys would become the Gods of cinema. it's so simple and well done, and so good, it drives me Coen simple!

"Raising Arizona" is amazing too. I've seen bad reviews everywhere but I love it.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/10/08 05:22 PM

in case someone doesn't have anything to do like me, let's talk about these films. for a few hours, they made me forget that I wanted to kill myself.

[off-topic] - I'm still waiting for opinions on Tropa de Elite/Elite Squad even though I suspect the international version sucks!

GoodFellas - I won't even say anything. it's so good it inspires people to watch good reviews .

then I rented Taxi Driver and Blood Simple, both that I had already watched but really needed a rewatch. both masterpieces.

then I caught a little movie called "The Godfather" on TV and rewatched the whole thing for the 100th time. then I caught the final sequence of Apocalypse Now, that lasts longer than Blood Simple altogether. I'm not going to say anything about these movies.

then I caught two good surprises on TV - Amores Perros , which I fell asleep in the end because it was almost 6 AM, but that doesn't mean I didn't love it. for a start, it's waaaaaaaaay better than "21 Grams", and I will definitely watch it again. - and Drugstore Cowboy, which also I couldn't watch fully because there was a sunday full of soccer on TV. but I watched almost the whole thing and I really enjoyed.

well that's it! I really don't have anything to do.

"twenty twenty twenty four hours to go... I wanna be sedated"
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/10/08 05:51 PM

Tony, Elite Squad is on YouTube, in 11 parts. I'm watching it soon. Maybe tomorrow.

Also, have you seen Linha de passe, the Walter Salles and Daniela Thomas film? You should see it.

Totally disagree that Amores perros is better than 21 Grams. If the latter is, taken linearly, a soap-opera on steroids, it at least makes the non-linear format integral to the meaning of its philosophy. Little everyday moments are given the utmost significance, because they're taken out of their causal context.

I re-watched Amores perros recently and was underwhelmed. It's not awful, though; certainly better than Babel, which is a load of bullshit.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/10/08 06:58 PM

welcome back capo smile
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/10/08 07:21 PM

Yeah Welcome back Capo, where you been..
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/10/08 07:47 PM

I've been feeding the kittens.

They like me.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/10/08 10:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Tony, Elite Squad is on YouTube, in 11 parts. I'm watching it soon. Maybe tomorrow.

Also, have you seen Linha de passe, the Walter Salles and Daniela Thomas film? You should see it.

Totally disagree that Amores perros is better than 21 Grams. If the latter is, taken linearly, a soap-opera on steroids, it at least makes the non-linear format integral to the meaning of its philosophy. Little everyday moments are given the utmost significance, because they're taken out of their causal context.

I re-watched Amores perros recently and was underwhelmed. It's not awful, though; certainly better than Babel, which is a load of bullshit.


yes, Babel sucks. Crash is even worse. I feel embarassed for watching it.

I still haven't watched Linha de Passe. to tell you the truth, I didn't even know what it was about. when I read it a few weeks ago in a newspaper report I thought I actually could get interested. I'll watch it sometime!

the stories in Amores Perros were much more interesting than those from 21 Grams in my opinion, but that's a matter of personal taste. the only time I watched 21 Grams a long time ago the only thing I remember is that I only kept watching out of curiosity. that's a merit, but I really enjoyed Amores Perros much more. I loved the bum carachter.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/11/08 12:26 PM

Yeah, 21 Grams has less memorable characters, for sure.

Crash is awful.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/12/08 03:24 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
There is something about their movies...


since my thoughts on Blood Simple might have been lost in the bottom of the previous page, I'll expand on that.

first, how do you movie buffs like this masterpiece? second, don't give your opinion before you watch it a good couple of time. every single moment of the film makes perfect sense and following the plot is like a game. that's why they can just turn off the camera at any given moment and that's the end of the film, like "No Country..." - what's the need for a climatic ending sequence, when you already had 2 hours of greatness? in Blood Simple, you want to scream at the screen but the carachters just don't talk to each other, and you know why. once you got it all, what seems to be a very complicated plot releavs itself the most simple thing in the world. and one thing that I truly appreciate in a film, it is abolutely believable and posible, and even probable. the Coen brothers always toyed with that kind of thing - my girlfriend wouldn't have agreed to watch Fargo with me if it wasn't a true story rolleyes - and I also love the crazy atmosphere in "Raising Arizona", but the great thing about "Blood Simple" is how smart they were in making their first film. it could've costed a few bucks and it's still in its own league.

I believe anyone a bit smart would've watched this 25 years ago and would've guessed those young filmmakers would become Gods of cinema. there is something about their movies...
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/14/08 04:39 AM




INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL (2008) - ***

"Did we need to hear "Hounddog" to remind us that its the '50s?" - James "The Angry Video Game Nerd" Rolfe

So after scoring nearly $800 million world-wide, coined a new phrase in "Nuke the Fridge" that may very well retire "Jump the Shark" as the lexicon for dropping the ball, and apparently raped the childhood of half the Internet, I finally bother to review the fourth INDIANA JONES movie. I know many folks were greatly disapointed with INDY IV, but goddamn it's becomes the new geek whipping post this side of BATMAN & ROBIN. The hatred and disgruntlement is wide-spread enough that a recent SOUTH PARK episode featured director Steven Spielberg and producer/writer George Lucas assaulting poor Indy Jones DELIVERENCE-style.



Certainly I actually understand alot of their problems with CRYSTAL SKULL, which I'll get to later, but when the crest of their woes is the implausability of the action cinema, I want to ask them a simple question: Where the hell were you all with the previous INDY pictures?

If anything, the one scene in CRYSTAL SKULL that seems to annoy most folks might just in fact be the ultimate cliffhanger for a franchise renown for carrying on the tradition of the Republican serial adventurism from the 1930s and 40s. You have Ford at an atomic bomb site, and he has a minute before detonation, and he's screwed. How will he escape?!?!?!? Why by throwing himself into a lead refridgerator, of course.

Wasn't it ridiculous too when Ford pushed easily a 3,000+ year old giant stone block like cardboard in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK? Didn't falling out of a crashing airplane on an intertube, and not be squashed like a pancake on gravity impact with the ground seem ludicrous in INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM? Hell, how about in THE LAST CRUSADE where Indy somehow never notices that friggin stone bridge? I mean after it's reveal, you wonder how anyone before could have missed it.

I'm not trying to excuse CRYSTAL SKULL, far from it, but what I'm trying to say is, we need some consistency around here. I seem to remember last summer when I made similar complaints about Michael Bay's TRANSFORMERS, and people excused along the lines of "Quit nitpicking! Leave your brain at the door!" or "This is popcorn, not Shakespeare!" or whatever. To use an old cliche of saturday morning cartoon villainy, "the roles are now reversed! Bahahaha!"

First off, let's admit a truth that everyone agrees: Ford, Spielberg, and Lucas didn't come back to the franchise because they had an itching, dying desire to finish off the Indiana Jones mythos or whatever. No it was one last trip to the bank, or to the well that had served them so well years earlier. They figured that with the names attached, and the fond nostalgia that global audiences hold for Dr. Jones, it would be a hell of a payday...and they were right. Ka-Ching! I actually believe that for better or for worse, CRYSTAL SKULL is equal to THE LAST CRUSADE. If RAIDERS is a masterpiece that everyone loves that managed to marry B-popcorn charm with A-level technical craftsmanship, and TEMPLE OF DOOM is a punch drunk pulp affair, then THE LAST CRUSADE and CRYSTAL SKULL both have some fun excellently-shot sequences trapped within a meh narrative.

Let's start with the good. Spielberg is one of the greatest filmmakers, and when he's interested and intrigued, he's money. Take when Indiana Jones walks upon that desert town, revealed to be like 1950s suburbia, plastic and hollow, and how out of place such a solo masculine film icon is in the midst of domesticated America. I grinned at the YOUNG INDIANA JONES reference. Then later we get a Greaser/Jock brawl at a cage that is cliche and campy, but has a goofy charm to it. Hell, I honestly expected one of my biggest complaints on SKULL would be Spielberg's current star-whore Shia LeBeouf. I hated I, ROBOT, thought he was annoying in CONSTANTINE, despised his worthless DISTURBIA, and unsurprisingly gave thumbs down to TRANSFORMERS. Yet for the first time, I actually sorta liked a LeBeouf movie.

Yeah I know, holy shit.

Maybe it's because I couldn't help but smile when confronted by gun-wielding KGB thug, the clueless amateur dipstick LeBeouf threatens them with his dimestore switchblade. Maybe that punk has a future after all. Hell, I thought Ford blowing into the blowgun to reverse the poison dart was badass. Nice to see that Karen Allen back at the movies visibly after STARMAN. I also liked the exploitation of the 1950s American culture from "I Like Ike" to UFOs to the old Soviet Union. I must say, not enough American movies show us the so-called "Evil Empire" at its worst, not that I'm trying to equate the USSR with the Nazis, but Stalin technically did murder more people than Hitler ever did.

Now here we go with the bad...oh shit. First off, does anybody understand what exactly the value behind the Crystal Skull is? SKULL is inconsistent and changes its mind constantly over the supposed powers, which I think is that this skull can give you omnipresent powers...right? If so, why does the Russian villainess Cate Blanchett need the other skulls, or to venture into a long lost Mayan city? I wonder too why such a plot device, like say the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN trilogy in general, has to be so goddamn convulted?

Remember the Ark of the Covenant where it's God Rays melts your skin and zap your souls out. The Shankara stones glowed, but were more of a theological symbol than an actual weapon for the psychotic religious zealot in TEMPLE OF DOOM. The Holy Grail gave you immortality, you get the point, for they grant immediate simplicity of great importance as to why the villains want the object, and why Indy must beat them to it.

Also, what is up with the storyline of Ray Winstone being a double, triple, quadruple secret agent? It's pointless and goes nowhere, for if it was to keep us in suspense as to which side he holds true allegiance to, it bombs because we don't give a shit by his last betrayal. The martial arts-fighting Peruvian natives at the burial grounds are just bizarre, and the audience at my screening groaned loudly at the snake-rope joke. Blanchett works as a Bond-level baddie, but not enough to be memorable or special, but then again what INDY evils are? And no, I don't need to mention the Tarzan shot at all.

I really do think that CRYSTAL SKULL did waste a great awesome storytelling opportunity when Indy is blacklisted by the American government, ironic considering how Indy kicked so much Nazi ass to rescue those Judean-Christian relics. What if somehow CRYSTAL SKULL started off as the movie we have does now, but it's not revealed to be Roswell (which gave the big twist away too early) but just a massive military warehouse. The Russians want Indy to lead them to the Ark of the Covenant, so those atheists could have a radio to speak to God. Indy fights back and saves the Ark...but he inadvertedly gives Blanchett a greater prize in the Skull. This screwup gets Indy labeled as a commie by a FBI Agent, and basically Indy goes to get back the Skull to clear his name. Surprise Surprise this side of the original THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, the Fed is revealed to be a Red himself.

Why do I ramble my reviews sometimes with my mediocre re-scripting suggestions? I just hate waste I guess.

After the epilogue wedding as corny as any you'll find in fan fiction, John Hurt quips "How much of human life is wasted on waiting?" Eerie in that so many of you waited for almost twenty years for a new INDY adventure, arguably the most anticipated sequel of recent years, and now with Lucas & Spielberg suggesting a 5th INDY flick is in the pipeline, that might excite you all as much as a LETHAL WEAPON 5. For all their glory and mega-hits, are Spielberg and Lucas now irrelevant within summertime popcorn, the very field that they pioneered?

Just consider all the younger super-star popcorn directors at the moment, from Christopher Nolan (THE DARK KNIGHT) to Guillermo Del Toro (HELLBOY 2: THE GOLDEN ARMY) to Jon Favreau (IRON MAN) to Peter Jackson (LORD OF THE RINGS), with the latter working on his THE HOBBIT franchise with Del Toro, and the TIN TIN adaptations with Spielberg. That's like if LeBeouf was the star, and not Ford.
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/14/08 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL (2008) - ***


I believe they are considering an Indy 5 and 6.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/14/08 07:16 PM

I heard Indys will be playing the main role.. no thank you....

We only watch it cause of Harrison Ford..
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/15/08 03:40 PM

I woke up very early and for some reason thought I'd see if any good movie was on tv. HBO is running "Don't Bother To Knock" with Marylin Monroe and Richard Widmark (1952).


I probably saw it years ago, but don't know if I ever saw the whole thing. An unusal story of a "crazy/suicidal" babysitter (Monroe)who meets a guy via window peeking in NYC apartment complexes (Widmark). Anyone see it?

Unlikely story, not the best movie, but I enjoyed watching Monore (her first movie I think?) Btw, I noticed when she arrived to babysit, the parents were telling her she could listen to the radio, no mention of tv......Wow!!!! eek Tvs obviously were not in all households at that time. I must have been very young, because I don't remember a time without a tv. Anyway, it was fun watching.

TIS
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/15/08 05:01 PM

I recently watched French Connection II and enjoyed it. Popeye Doyle heads to France to find the Frog aka the Frenchman who is behind one of the largest drug operation in the world. Popeye does hit a major roadblock however
Click to reveal..
Frog 1 manages to capture Doyle and addicts Doyle to heroin. Popeye must go through one hell of a detoxification but manages to.
This is a must see for any classic movie fan.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/21/08 12:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Tony Mosrite
since my thoughts on Blood Simple might have been lost in the bottom of the previous page, I'll expand on that.

first, how do you movie buffs like this masterpiece? second, don't give your opinion before you watch it a good couple of time.


All right, I just watched this wonderful movie. Sorry to give my opinion on the first viewing, but I've a long list of movies to watch! lol (I know Bibble, I get to Barton Fink as soon as I can!)

I absolutely loved it. An all around great movie, with an intriguing plot that keeps you guessing. 8/10.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/21/08 03:57 PM

Yesterday watched LAKE PLACID 2 with the kids.

Quite possibly the worst film i have seen in some time.

Not recommended in the slightest.....
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/21/08 10:06 PM

The first was bad enough. I can't believe they made a sequel, Yogi!! And that you actually watched it!!!
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/22/08 09:40 AM

ZACK (or ZACH?) AND MIRI MAKE A PORNO

"I'm a guy. You give me a two popsicle sticks and a rubber band and I'll find a way to fuck it like a filthy MacGyver!"

Wow, this movie surprised me. It was better than I thought it would be and that's with me being a Kevin Smith fan.

I'd say it's his best movie yet. I was also surprised at the amount of nudity in the film, of course with porno in the title and all...but there's full frontal from both genders, and backal.

There's some classic lines in the movie "She frosted me like a fucking cake!" and the whole Dutch Rudder thing...

Go see this movie.
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/22/08 10:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Yesterday watched LAKE PLACID 2 with the kids.

Quite possibly the worst film i have seen in some time.

Not recommended in the slightest.....


I really liked it.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/22/08 03:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
ZACK (or ZACH?) AND MIRI MAKE A PORNO

"I'm a guy. You give me a two popsicle sticks and a rubber band and I'll find a way to fuck it like a filthy MacGyver!"

Wow, this movie surprised me. It was better than I thought it would be and that's with me being a Kevin Smith fan.

I'd say it's his best movie yet. I was also surprised at the amount of nudity in the film, of course with porno in the title and all...but there's full frontal from both genders, and backal.

There's some classic lines in the movie "She frosted me like a fucking cake!" and the whole Dutch Rudder thing...

Go see this movie.


I was actually a little disappointed. Not as funny as I had hoped.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/22/08 04:27 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: Tony Mosrite
since my thoughts on Blood Simple might have been lost in the bottom of the previous page, I'll expand on that.

first, how do you movie buffs like this masterpiece? second, don't give your opinion before you watch it a good couple of time.


All right, I just watched this wonderful movie. Sorry to give my opinion on the first viewing, but I've a long list of movies to watch! lol (I know Bibble, I get to Barton Fink as soon as I can!)

I absolutely loved it. An all around great movie, with an intriguing plot that keeps you guessing. 8/10.


don't worry about giving your opinion so soon wink what I mean is that you're probably missing a lot from the clever plot. but I see your point. I always have to wonder whether I'll watch a new movie or give some classic a 2nd watch.

now go see Barton Fink! it's my least favorite movie from the Coen Brothers (Intolerable Cruely, Lady Killers and so are hors-concours!), what means it's just very good.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/22/08 06:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
The first was bad enough. I can't believe they made a sequel, Yogi!! And that you actually watched it!!!


I watch a load of crap films and rubbishy reality TV shows thanks to my wife and the little people grin

Unfortuneately i can't sit round watching sport all the time ohwell
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/22/08 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas


Unfortuneately i can't sit round watching sport all the time ohwell


Isn't that what a pub's for?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/22/08 07:45 PM

Oh, don't I know that feeling, Yogi!! It's really bad when you start actually caring what happens to The Angry Beavers, which was one of my daughter's favorite cartoons.

I actually did learn to appreciate some cartoons that the kids watched. I think that some of the creators realized that parents watch, too. For example, I loved Rugrats and Fairly Odd Parents. Timmy Turner is one of the funniest kids ever animated.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/23/08 05:56 AM



DUNE (1984) - **



"The Worst Movie of the Year!" - Siskel & Ebert

"The only real failure of my career." - David Lynch

What looks good on paper doesn't always translate as well in reality. Some weeks back, many folks on the Internet including me were raving Marvel's decision to hire the Oscar-nominated actor/director Kenneth Branaugh to helm the THOR movie, if because somehow his celebrated cinematic background with the works of William Shakespeare from HENRY V to HAMLET is perfect for a divine Nordic comic book superhero. Hell, I remember back in 2004 when most of us thought Warner Bros. had scored a touchdown by signing Bryan Singer to craft their SUPERMAN franchise relaunch. I mean the genius behind X2 doing the Man of Steel? Perfect!

No, not really. Who knew that a better flick would have been IRON MAN shot years later by the director of ELF?

A similar miscalculation happened back in the early 1980s with the DUNE film adaptation. Published in 1965, Frank Herbert's classic book is the best-selling science fiction novel in history, and been acclaimed over the decades by many as the greatest literary work of its genre. It's also goddamn weird. From people using this futuristic spice melange to fold space to fetuses into the world with all the knowledge of their ancestors to flying obese sadist dictators to...well, go read it for yourself. Anyway, when producer Dino De Laurentiis bought the film rights, he figured that for such a story, it needed to be told by someone with already a bizarre off-beat reputation.

David Lynch by this time had made the shockingly fucked-up cult underground classic ERASERHEAD, and you know this young Lynch was going places when the great old master Stanley Kubrick used it as a reference for his THE SHINING. Then Lynch shot THE ELEPHANT MAN, the biopic about the grotesquely deformed Joseph Merrick which was a hit that scored eight Oscar nominations, including Best Picture. So Lynch had street cred with both critics and being....off.

So what the hell went wrong? I mean looking at his work before and after DUNE, whatever you like his pictures or not, Lynch is an incredibly powerful filmmaker, even if you don't really know exactly what he is striving for. He's like a pretentious David Cronenberg. The cast itself is good from Jurgen Prochnow to Patrick Stewart to Richard Jordan to Linda Hunt to Virginia Madsen to Brad Fucking Dourif to Jose Ferrer to ERASERHEAD's Jack Nance to Kenneth McMillan to Max Von Sydow to Dean Stockwell to lead Kyle MacLachlan (his film debut, in fact.) They do try to make you forget the rest, from the media stunt (Sting) to the outright useless (Sean Young).

Reportedly, the basic problem was that Lynch and DeLaurentiis had a fundamental disagreement over the direction for DUNE. DeLaurentiis and Universal Studios both saw DUNE as basically STAR WARS meets LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, a fantastical soap opera epic out in outer space...and they're wrong. If you read DUNE as a kid, like say around middle school, you may imagine it as such a grand pulp tale about a deposed Atreides prince (MacLachlan), betrayed and left for dead in the deep deserts of the planet Arrakis ("Dune") by the rival royal house the Harkonnens (led by McMillan), who leads the abused indigenous Fremen in a successful insurgency against both the Harkonnens and the Galactical Empire itself.

But if you read DUNE as a mature adult, like say around College, then you actually read between the lines. The prince manipulates the Fremen's faith for his own means to ascend the leadership ranks as the charismatic "messiah" of these people. They launch a nasty guerilla war against their imperial overlords, who by proxy the all-powerful foreign Guild monopoly, rule the universe because they undisputedly rule Arrakis, the sole source of the universe's most essential natural resource in the spice. The Fremen are suicidal holy warriors that take their bloody toll on the Harkonnens. The victorious prince, as the new Emperor, launch a religious jihad across hundreds of worlds where millions are murdered in his name.

He's not Luke Skywalker, he's Osama Bin Laden!

Anyway, Lynch didn't have final cut, so DeLaurentiis/Universal got their way. I'm not saying this is a BRAZIL or a Sergio Leone situation where the corporate bad guys raped a classic away from us, but consider this. I've read Lynch's last script draft of DUNE, and it's quite a contrast from the movie we got. The storyline is basically the same, but in slashing down Lynch's three hour edit and lacking faith in the audience, the producers added tricks from voice-over narration to prologue graphics to endless exposition montages to explain in every detail the whole fucking film's universe, even apparently passing out "cheat sheet" cards to some theatre-goers back in 1984.

Call me naive, but I would like to think that outside of broad strokes, people can figure out and accept the rest for themselves. I mean look at such quality sci-fi cinema examples like Kubrick's 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY or Norman Jewison's ROLLERBALL or even Sir Ridley Scott's BLADE RUNNER, which ironically Scott shot after he had quit the DUNE project. There is an art to self-realization, and when that is denied, what fun is there? Not that I'm saying Lynch's unmolested DUNE would have ranked among them, for probably it would have exhibited too a critical flaw that is all too evident in the theatrical edit.

It's deadly stiff. Some folks argue that if you've read the book, its better because you understand everything in context. That's complete utter bullshit. It's duller than dishwater. It's as stale as three year old cookies. It's as exciting as hearing Al Gore read a phone book. Drying paint is more riveting than the big battle sequences. DUNE had the gall to advertize itself as "A Movie Beyond Your Imagination." A more truthful tagline would have been "A Movie Not Beyond Your Boredom."

Even the cheap-looking special effects themselves feel uninspired as well. DUNE tries to push the button with its brief CGI shots, but I'm reminded of TRON, which in if you look closely in its legendary light-cycle race, the CGI and human actors never share the screen together. In DUNE, you see why for the CGI obviously wasn't ready for prime time. Consider too the scene when we see one of the giant sandworms of Arrakis swallow up a spice harvester. With such a visual, it's supposed I assume to be a Holy Shit! moment, and instead you try to keep yourself from falling asleep.

Not a good sign for the most expensive movie ever produced at the time.

Another trouble was Lynch's approach to encompass inner-monologues from the novel as voice-over "whispers," a good idea that just comes off as annoying. But what wasn't or maybe is Lynch's fault is how unbalanced and messy DUNE's editing narrative is. You have a considerable build-up in the downfall of MacLachlan, but damn DUNE just rushes through the Fremen and climax like Jack Nicholson needing another whore, as if the movie internally remembered that it was running out of time, and was trying to cram itself this side of Cliffnotes to finish the story.

DUNE is seen as one of the great artistic and financial failures of the Reagan Decade, and yet it has attracted quite a dedicated following. My guess is that the appeal for those outside of the book's fanbase is similar to that of many Tim Burton films, where the art direction and costume design combine into an exclaimation point of memorable nightmarish visuals. Or maybe they just like the cheesy lanquid progressive rock soundtrack composed by the pop group Toto, I don't know. I do admit for instance that such things as the Grey's Anatomy-inspired stillsuits are impressive.

As far as I'm concerned, the only real good thing to arise from DUNE is that due to contractual obligations, DeLaurentiis funded and produced Lynch's follow-up BLUE VELVET, which made people forget all about that big budget flop that scared Lynch away from ever again trying to seriously embrace or tap such an approach at the Hollywood mainstream. I hate that Lynch refuses to assemble his director's cut for DUNE, as if like Michael Mann with THE KEEP, he is trying his best to move on with his career, pretending that it never happened if simply out of sheer embarrasment.

I mean come on David, your DUNE can't be as bad as the DUNE we have now, right? Then again, believe it or not, the extended version as seen on television found a way.

(NOTE: Here is David Lynch's Final DUNE Script Draft, btw: http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/dune.txt)
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/24/08 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas


Unfortuneately i can't sit round watching sport all the time ohwell


Isn't that what a pub's for?


What about drinking and fighting though..... grin
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/25/08 07:38 AM


Gamers (2006) -- Not even worth the time to write about, let alone watch.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/26/08 08:04 AM

All right, so I finally watched "Barton Fink." This one had that "Eraserhead" feeling, and even though I immensely hated "Eraserhead," I liked this one, and there was actually sense behind this movie. Unlike Lynch, who puts together random bits with little purpose, and then quite rightfully insists on everyone forming their own understanding of the piece he has no understanding himself, sitting back and reading the interpretations of his fans, nowadays on his forum.

And while many want to say the jab meant to hit Hollywood as Hellywood, I think the hardest hits the jaws of elitist writers who claim they care about common men and want to write about them, while recoiling from all that's common. Not that there's anything wrong about being elite, but it is pure hypocrisy to claim they want to have to do anything with common man. If anything, Hollywood movies have dominated the common man's taste, and common man lives in this hell, let the records of box office back up this assessment.

Barton Fink is too good to listen to his common man neighbor, drink, or like another writer, rip off the ideas of someone else. And that's exactly why he's got writers' block and wouldn't be able to write for common man, because he lacks the empathy needed to know them inside and out. He might choose to live amongst common men, but he takes refuge in the idealistic picture over his desk. And yet he ends up doing all those things he looked down on, making the last third of the movie quite eventful compared to the first eventless part, that rightfully builds up the atmosphere.

He not only doesn't make any changes, he isn't able to see how the atmosphere of the society changes in 40s, everyone rooting for power, violence, and war.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/26/08 06:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Originally Posted By: Longneck
Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas


Unfortuneately i can't sit round watching sport all the time ohwell


Isn't that what a pub's for?


What about drinking and fighting though..... grin


Gotta have somewhere to fight about sports and then have a drink!
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/26/08 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Originally Posted By: Longneck
[quote=Yogi Barrabbas]

Unfortuneately i can't sit round watching sport all the time ohwell


Isn't that what a pub's for?


What about drinking and fighting though..... grin


Gotta have somewhere to fight about sports and then have a drink! [/quote]

Very true my friend smile
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/27/08 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
All right, so I finally watched "Barton Fink." This one had that "Eraserhead" feeling, and even though I immensely hated "Eraserhead," I liked this one, and there was actually sense behind this movie.

What do you mean by this?

Barton Fink is as invitingly allegorical as Eraserhead, no? You either accept it on its own terms or you don't.

I don't really see a need to compare the two films, nor the filmmakers behind them. Other than, perhaps, narrative pattern: moderately weird first and second acts followed by a seriously surreal and chaotic final third, at which point the viewer is either drawn further in or loses interest completely.

There's sense behind Eraserhead, though...

Quote:
Unlike Lynch, who puts together random bits with little purpose, and then quite rightfully insists on everyone forming their own understanding of the piece he has no understanding himself, sitting back and reading the interpretations of his fans, nowadays on his forum.
I disagree with this.

Lynch isn't putting together "random bits with little purpose". Though he might work more intuitively than the Coens (or any other filmmaker), it's not really random at all. Each of his scenes, even the unscripted ones, are set up to specific lighting requirements, with consciously chosen locations, with actors consciously casted in certain roles; then when he pieces it together in the editing room he's not leaving anything to chance - there's a conscious decision being made with each and every cut, dissolve or other transition. Like any artistic judgement, there's a reason, conscious or not, why you'd juxtapose this image with that image (for instance), why you'd go in for a close-up there and not an establishing shot, why you'd play this music or that music over certain types of images.

Random's an odd word when describing a product of conscious decision-making.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/27/08 03:01 PM

Capo, speaking of Lynch....

I know you gave no stars to his DUNE, and never remarked much on it beyond the intriging statement of "we can thank the film and the experience it gave its director for indirectly scaring him off this sort of production: two years later, he made his best film. "

Since you're a big Lynchphile, is there anything about it that you liked or was it just a total washout?
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/27/08 09:31 PM

I actually can't really remember it, to be honest. Nothing other than Sting in pink trunks, anyway.

I read your review, though, and watched the trailer, and want to watch it again over my upcoming Christmas break.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/28/08 02:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

What do you mean by this?


I simply say it has the "Eraserhead" feeling. Feelings are very subjective and I see no reason as to explain why some settings and atmosphere echos a certain deja-vu, do I?

But then I can't recall "Eraserhead" without recoiling from the taste it has left.

Quote:

I don't really see a need to compare the two films, nor the filmmakers behind them. Other than, perhaps, narrative pattern: moderately weird first and second acts followed by a seriously surreal and chaotic final third, at which point the viewer is either drawn further in or loses interest completely.


As I say the need seems to be subjective to your own perception.

Quote:

There's sense behind Eraserhead, though...


So would you mind explaining the sense behind it?

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Lynch isn't putting together "random bits with little purpose". Though he might work more intuitively than the Coens (or any other filmmaker), it's not really random at all. Each of his scenes, even the unscripted ones, are set up to specific lighting requirements, with consciously chosen locations, with actors consciously casted in certain roles; then when he pieces it together in the editing room he's not leaving anything to chance - there's a conscious decision being made with each and every cut, dissolve or other transition. Like any artistic judgement, there's a reason, conscious or not, why you'd juxtapose this image with that image (for instance), why you'd go in for a close-up there and not an establishing shot, why you'd play this music or that music over certain types of images.

Random's an odd word when describing a product of conscious decision-making.


Well, he says so himself. I remember reading something to this effect in one of his interviews, at which point I totally stopped reading or caring for what he does altogether. And you know, I used to be a fan, but then I watched "Eraserhead." Well, I still like "The Elephant Man" and "Mulholland Drive" I suppose. But even in "Mulholland Drive" you could see this pattern of putting bits randomly together. You may say it has purpose, but to me, it is as purposeful as a playful kid with a brush in one hand and a pallete in another, doing whatever comes to his mind on canvas, without having a big picture in mind.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/28/08 11:10 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
You may say it has purpose, but to me, it is as purposeful as a playful kid with a brush in one hand and a pallete in another, doing whatever comes to his mind on canvas, without having a big picture in mind.

Come on Afs, I agree with you completely on Lynch, but don't insult kids lol
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/29/08 06:13 AM

Originally Posted By: svsg
Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
You may say it has purpose, but to me, it is as purposeful as a playful kid with a brush in one hand and a pallete in another, doing whatever comes to his mind on canvas, without having a big picture in mind.

Come on Afs, I agree with you completely on Lynch, but don't insult kids lol



I stand corrected. grin Can I say a monkey with a brush and palette, or someone from PETA would find that offensive as well?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/29/08 06:37 AM

Originally Posted By: svsg
...but don't insult kids lol

Yeah, really Afs! Alistair wouldn't deserve that! whistle wink
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/29/08 06:54 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: svsg
...but don't insult kids lol

Yeah, really Afs! Alistair wouldn't deserve that! whistle wink



I said I'm sorry! blush Poor Al. He misses you. And me. Really, where is he again?! eek lol
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/01/08 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

What do you mean by this?


I simply say it has the "Eraserhead" feeling. Feelings are very subjective and I see no reason as to explain why some settings and atmosphere echos a certain deja-vu, do I?
Subjectivity goes without saying.

I meant what did you mean by, "there was actually sense behind this movie" (as opposed to Eraserhead's implied lack of sense). Do you mean you didn't understand Eraserhead's story? Or did you not find "sense" in its events? Or do you think there's a lack of conscious intent behind it, authorially?

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But then I can't recall "Eraserhead" without recoiling from the taste it has left.
What was so disagreeable about it? The imagery (eg. raw chicken evoking the female torso, blood drippage and all; or the baby)? The action (eg. Mary X having a fit; stirring dinner with the grandmother; Mrs X kissing Henry, evoking incest)? The general aesthetic (the industrial sounds married with overwhelming, bassy drones)? The story (of a man suddenly thrown into the responsibility of fatherhood)? The representation of that story (fatherhood told as an inescapable nightmare)?

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As I say the need seems to be subjective to your own perception.
Oh yeah, totally; but that's a truism. You can't escape the feelings you feel. But I was just saying, there's little in common between the two films.

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So would you mind explaining the sense behind it?
You need to define what you mean by "sense" in order for my to answer this.

If you didn't understand the literal story, fair enough. It's about a guy who becomes a father due to his own irresponsibility, and how he can't come to terms with the responsibility now required of him as a father.

That's extracting allegory, too, though.

If by sense you mean authorial intent, ie. a conscious presence behind the work saying, "I am now doing this because I want to portray that, I will now do this in order to evoke that," etc., I see what you mean. Lynch is very vague and elusive about his own working method.

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Lynch isn't putting together "random bits with little purpose". Though he might work more intuitively than the Coens (or any other filmmaker), it's not really random at all. Each of his scenes, even the unscripted ones, are set up to specific lighting requirements, with consciously chosen locations, with actors consciously casted in certain roles; then when he pieces it together in the editing room he's not leaving anything to chance - there's a conscious decision being made with each and every cut, dissolve or other transition. Like any artistic judgement, there's a reason, conscious or not, why you'd juxtapose this image with that image (for instance), why you'd go in for a close-up there and not an establishing shot, why you'd play this music or that music over certain types of images.

Random's an odd word when describing a product of conscious decision-making.


Well, he says so himself. I remember reading something to this effect in one of his interviews...
That he referred to his own method as "random"? I'd object both to that and to him for saying it, because it isn't random. The film-making process inherently forbids randomness. More instinctive, more intuitive, sure. But there's a lot more things going on than a mathematical term.

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And you know, I used to be a fan, but then I watched "Eraserhead." Well, I still like "The Elephant Man" and "Mulholland Drive" I suppose.
Have you seen The Straight Story? You should like that very much.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/02/08 08:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
I meant what did you mean by, "there was actually sense behind this movie" (as opposed to Eraserhead's implied lack of sense). Do you mean you didn't understand Eraserhead's story? Or did you not find "sense" in its events? Or do you think there's a lack of conscious intent behind it, authorially?


Some part of story aren't coherent. For instance, those you mention below are the least part of my concern and actually some points that stand out and are all right in my book.

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What was so disagreeable about it? The imagery (eg. raw chicken evoking the female torso, blood drippage and all; or the baby)? The action (eg. Mary X having a fit; stirring dinner with the grandmother; Mrs X kissing Henry, evoking incest)? The general aesthetic (the industrial sounds married with overwhelming, bassy drones)? The story (of a man suddenly thrown into the responsibility of fatherhood)? The representation of that story (fatherhood told as an inescapable nightmare)?


But what doesn't go with the rest, is the space man and the last part of the movie. Yes, I think there is no prior and conscious decision as where it goes.

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But I was just saying, there's little in common between the two films.


Okay, so for the first part the hair stands out. The detached senses of Barton throughout the movie. Sex with the beautiful woman and blood and then "Did you have sexual intercourse?" to the horrified man echoes the same feeling. A detached head perhaps ends up in the box, parallel to the head of Henry and well I suppose that's enough. There, I think that's the similarities I felt in a nutshell.

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If you didn't understand the literal story, fair enough. It's about a guy who becomes a father due to his own irresponsibility, and how he can't come to terms with the responsibility now required of him as a father.


I suppose this part was pretty obvious. In fact minus the scene with the spaceman, it didn't go that bad till the ending, where it all fell apart badly.

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If by sense you mean authorial intent, ie. a conscious presence behind the work saying, "I am now doing this because I want to portray that, I will now do this in order to evoke that," etc., I see what you mean. Lynch is very vague and elusive about his own working method.


Yes. He can't pull off a sense for the entire movie. He does random things that baffle the viewer, to somehow gather the story together to no avail.

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That he referred to his own method as "random"? I'd object both to that and to him for saying it, because it isn't random. The film-making process inherently forbids randomness. More instinctive, more intuitive, sure. But there's a lot more things going on than a mathematical term.


In order for a movie to connect on some level, you need to define what you want to convey. You as a film maker should have a goal. (Or not! What do I care, but then I wouldn't care for what you do either.) I as a viewer, might get there, or have some other perception. But Lynch doesn't seem to have one. And he says he does things as he goes. So there, that's my problem. I'd like to see work of someone who knows what he wants to do before he starts filming.

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Have you seen The Straight Story? You should like that very much.


No, I've not. I'll keep that in mind, thank you.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/02/08 03:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Afs
Okay, so for the first part the hair stands out. The detached senses of Barton throughout the movie. Sex with the beautiful woman and blood and then "Did you have sexual intercourse?" to the horrified man echoes the same feeling. A detached head perhaps ends up in the box, parallel to the head of Henry and well I suppose that's enough. There, I think that's the similarities I felt in a nutshell.
I had forgotten about these, to be honest. I see what you mean.

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In order for a movie to connect on some level, you need to define what you want to convey. You as a film maker should have a goal. (Or not! What do I care, but then I wouldn't care for what you do either.) I as a viewer, might get there, or have some other perception. But Lynch doesn't seem to have one. And he says he does things as he goes. So there, that's my problem. I'd like to see work of someone who knows what he wants to do before he starts filming.

Fair enough. I understand you better now. Valid points, too.

Have you seen Blue Velvet? You should definitely see it, to reignite faith in him. smile And The Straight Story, of course. Stay away from Lost Highway and Inland Empire.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/02/08 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Stay away from Lost Highway and Inland Empire.

Amen smile
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/03/08 09:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Have you seen Blue Velvet? You should definitely see it, to reignite faith in him. smile And The Straight Story, of course. Stay away from Lost Highway and Inland Empire.


Yes, I think I saw it after "Mulholland Dr." about four years ago. I don't remember much about it now, except a piece of an ear. grin Maybe I should re-watch that sometime, especially because recently I've developed a great appetite for noir genre. Back then it didn't make a great impression.

I've watched "Lost Highway" and own the DVDs for the "Twin Peaks" mini series, with not much desire to watch it now. I'd have given a hand and leg to watch it four years ago... How time changes everything.

From the two "Mulholland Dr." and "Lost Highway" dealing with mixed up identities, I actually like his later attempt better, and I think he has resolved some issues of the "Lost Highway" in "Mulholland Dr." It makes more sense to me anyway and feels more thought through. I'd give it 8 out of 10.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/03/08 02:41 PM

You should definitely delve into Twin Peaks. It's widely associated with Lynch, and has his "Lynchian" stamp to it, but it's also very accessible, with other writers and directors involved too.

Weird stuff happens, but it's more of a clever, fun-to-watch critique of soap opera melodrama. (Just as his Rabbits is his version of the sitcom; as Blue Velvet is his noir.) It's got the scratching beneath the surface (of innocent communities) that Blue Velvet offered, and it's quite a hilarious and tragic exploration of the underbelly of American society.

It was a big influence on David Chase for The Sopranos, too.

Lynch didn't write and direct every episode (just the best ones ;D ).
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/06/08 04:18 AM



WANTED (2008) - ***

If you've read enough of my reviews, you should know that I'm just a sucker for action pulp. When its done just right, there is nothing more satisfying within cinema for me. Despite it's visceral barrage of visual effects and physics-shaming scenes (all made possible by a generous budget) in trying to be THE MATRIX meets FIGHT CLUB, Timur Bekmambetov's WANTED is far from meeting that biased gold standard of mine but at times it does work.

This in spite of the fact that the first act wasn't that promising. Like Doug Liman's lame JUMPER we got earlier this year, we get stuck with an emo guy (James McAvoy) who is helpless about being bossed around by his ugly obese female manager, that he is in a cuckhold relationship, and oh yeah she's screwing his supposed best friend. He nearly whined me out of giving a damn about this picture before it even began. Such nonsense is a technique of hack filmmakers to create what they mistaken as sympathetic complex emotional depth, and I just despise it.

Yeah I understand the whole point is that he's the generic corporate-cog loser like the rest of us, wanting (pun!) to be something more mighty and ultimately fulfilling that masculine destiny, a critical plot commonality of both MATRIX and FIGHT CLUB. However, remember how in FIGHT CLUB that director David Fincher never had Edward Norton be stuck with such contrived writing, and despite Norton basically being a materialistic shallow asshole, we dug him anyway? Likewise, how much time did the Wachowskis bother with Keanu Reeves to explain his predictament in the first MATRIX picture? Enough to make their damn point, and move on.

I mean, why can't we have more dickish protagonists in popcorn flicks? What is wrong with rooting for a true anti-hero that's comfortable with being a jerk? YOJIMBO and Clint Eastwood showed us this truth decades ago, and yet that wisdom keeps bobbing in and out of the Hollywood action cinema conciousness like apples. That said, I did enjoy when McAvoy finally snaps, mans up to his boss, quits his job, and beat the hell out of his backstabbing buddy with his keyboard in a shot worthy of SHOOT'EM UP.

Now despite the ratings, if you had to ask, I enjoyed TRANSPORTER 3 more than this. Sure both have completely ridiculous action sequences full of bullets, stunts, and brawling (hell, both films feature a car crashing into a commuter train), but TRANSPORTER 3 was successful pulp because it was very simple: Guy cuffed with bomb, does everything from kicking ass to being creative to save his own skin. It has limited narrative goals, but it satisfingly delivered them with blunt action cinema. With WANTED, it's style over substance whenever Bejmanbetov tries to shoot a script inbetween his eyecandy, a complaint I've heard too about his Russian vampire movies. If TRANSPORTER never had serious mental or character ambitions, WANTED does, and that shortcoming when it fails is glaring.

Certainly the elements are there to craft some truely delicious pulp. McAvoy is recruited into a thousand-year old assassin society with the mission to kill to save lives. Though tell me, considering the last century with two World Wars, several Holocausts and Al Qaeda, I think chairman Morgan Freeman shouldn't be so damn proud of his group's so-called accomplishments. There is room for improvement, you know?

Also, instead of McAvoy being trained in some exotic location, it's in the middle of Chicago. I had flashbacks to the 1980s solid B-actioneer REMO WILLIAMS: THE ADVENTURE BEGINS and THE DESTROYER pulp novels which REMO was based off, with top assassin Angelina Jolie having McAvoy run and duck on top of a moving subway train, or McAvoy beaten daily like cookie dough until he's as tough as wood. Now he could survive ATONEMENT.

I even liked the concept that this clique kill according to orders given by interpreting random notches they find in tapestry, which gives these murderers both divine sanction, and room for some good time ole religious manipulation. Some people have grumbled on the Internet about the point behind Jolie's last sequence, but come on folks this aint rocket science. She was the only True Believer among that brood. Then I would even add the plot twists, but they just lack punch because of how they're just tossed about without meaning. If the movie doesn't care about them, why should we?

Now there is some nice cool moments, like when McAvoy blows a hole in someone's skull, sticks his gun in there, and firing away while using that corpse as a shield. Then when someone tries to stab him, he moves his piece so that the blade is jammed into the barrell. He fires it back like a glorified harpoon gun. I also dug when Jolie abruptly kisses McAvoy in his apartment, just to humiliate his bitchy ex-girlfriend who suspiciously looks the uglified version of that Jennifer...what's her name? You know, the one that Tyler Durden (irony!) ditched in favor of Jolie?

Don't forget also the rat explosive, a slight improvement on the bunny bomb engineered by Walter Hill in his underrated EXTREME PREJUDICE.

And yet, I felt underwhelmed. Now I shouldn't complain about the lack of story, since some action pictures suffer from having too much of a bland story, but I WANTED more from WANTED. On my Top Ten list last year, I included SHOOT'EM UP, an audaciously entertaining action-fest like WANTED, but with a smaller budget and the gall to go for broke. It didn't just push the envelope, but in the tradition of THE TOXIC AVENGER, it tried to shred it. Imagine if the creativity behind that spectacle in SHOOT' EM UP where Clive Owen is shooting down thugs as he is copulating with Monica Bellucci was featured in WANTED.

Then maybe it would have become something special, worth being an asshole about in endlessly pimping it on the Internet to anyone that will listen, and more than just an decent rental which never bored me, a generous recommendation with pizza and beer on a friday night. Also, Jolie shows off her nice ass. That's a plus. Why she was willing to go topless in a piece of shit like TAKING LIVES but not this, I don't know.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/09/08 04:51 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Gamers (2006) -- Not even worth the time to write about, let alone watch.


Let me add Botched (2007; uncut) to this list.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/09/08 09:19 AM

I love this despite all the negative reviews:

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Watched it for the sixth times I think! lol
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/12/08 02:10 AM


Despite the reviews, I just saw Punisher: War Zone (w/ DMC, who was in town w/ his girl). This was a fun "guy flick", but also pretty hilarious in parts. I'm not certain if that was intentional. It also seemed to steal bits here and there from some gangster films -- all in good fun, though, if you like bloody violence.

Also the first time I went to the new digital theater w/ stadium seating in town -- the picture looks fantastic! cool
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/12/08 02:18 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
It also seemed to steal bits here and there from some gangster films -- all in good fun, though, if you like bloody violence.


Who doesn't??
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/13/08 08:09 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

It also seemed to steal bits here and there from some gangster films -- all in good fun, though, if you like bloody violence.




Is that a trick question?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/15/08 04:04 AM


Anyone see The Gambler (1974) starring James Caan, with Paul Sorvino and Burt Young? Because I'd really appreciate an explanation of the ending (in a Spoiler tag or PM, please). Maybe I'm dense, but WTF was that bit with the pimp and whore about?? confused
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/15/08 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Maybe I'm dense, but WTF was that bit with the pimp and whore about?? confused


That scene was put in to reflect how unstable and self destructive addicted people tend to be. Don't forget, it was based on a Dostoevsky novel. You weren't going to get a Capraesque ending. lol
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/20/08 09:00 AM

I watched Munich yesterday. Wonderful movie!! 9/10. IMHO Munich was better than either Crash or Brokeback Mt. Not sure how it lost to these films that I rate both 5/10.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/20/08 04:26 PM

Crash was pretty bad. I liked Munich and Brokeback Mountain
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/20/08 07:30 PM

Did you feel any love between the two character in the Brokeback? The whole thing felt forced and insincere.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/20/08 08:15 PM

I don't remember it vividly, but I didn't get that impression. One of the reasons to like it perhaps was the fact that others hated it for being a gay movie. I subconsciously had to take a different stance then, I guess grin

But I remember one scene where the wife finds out when she spots them hugging (or kissing - forgot) outside. That was passionate I guess.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/20/08 08:52 PM

Well, it is unfortunate to dismiss a movie based on a prejudice against the premise, but it is even worse when you give a nod based on the premise and not the merit of the movie itself. grin That's I suppose what happened when Crash got the Oscar, the Academy felt racism is the most important issue at hand, and be as it may, that movie didn't deserve any recognition at all.

And I can't believe the score of Brokeback beat that of Pride & Prejudice. frown
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/21/08 08:35 PM

I know of at least 3 guys on here that love Brokeback Mountain. lol
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 01:13 AM

Crash is atrocious. Brokeback Mountain is mediocre. Munich is rubbish.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 02:12 AM

Watched No Country For Old Men and it was as good as I had hoped. The film is worth watching for the conversation within a conversation that the killer has with the owner of a small gas station, just for that one scene alone. Plus, I just love Tommy Lee Jones in almost anything, and this role seemed so perfect for him.

I think that it needs several watchings, and that your appreciation for the film would just grow. Very violent, graphic in parts, and yet several laugh-out-loud moments. I look forward to seeing it again.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 03:43 AM

I didn't quite get a lot of stuff Tommy Lee Jones tells the wife of that guy in the restaurant. And also the stuff he tells his wife in the last scene. I definitely need to watch it again.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 03:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Crash is atrocious. Brokeback Mountain is mediocre. Munich is rubbish.

I don't remember anything from Munich too, but remember liking it.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 03:50 AM

I found the recitation of his dreams to be interesting. He was dreaming of his father and his father had died when he was much younger than he (Tommy Lee) was.
Click to reveal..
In his dream, his father was lighting the cold dark for him. I would imagine that would bring him a sense of comfort. Since he had retired without being able to protect Llewellyn or his wife from the killer, I think he needed a sense of comfort and guidance.


Or, I could be completely wrong.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 04:03 AM

Last night HBO had "Renditon" with Reese Witherspoon. Has anyone here ever seen this movie? It wasn't real popular but boy it sure was sad. An American man of middle Eastern decent gets abducted from an airport and is suspected of being a terrorist and goes through hell. panic


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 04:04 AM

I never heard of it, TIS. Sounds interesting.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 06:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Crash is atrocious. Brokeback Mountain is mediocre. Munich is rubbish.


Care to elaborate why you think so about Crash and Munich?
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 12:31 PM

I haven't seen either in a while. I saw Munich twice on the big screen.

Excuse the pun, but Crash renders racism as a black and white bubonic plague-like syndrome; it isn't interested in interrogating real issues, what goes into the many differing and different circumstances that cause people to view the world in the way they do. Paul Haggis is a hack; his scriptwork for Eastwood's Oscar-friendly pictures is in much the same vein. None of its narrative contrivances ring true; I hated pretty much everyone in the film. They're all cartoons; it's entirely implausible. It reeks of preachy educative bullshit, and it's completely empty.

As for Munich, I can't think of a more obvious attempt by Spielberg to make a mature, adult film; all those grim blue hues and the gritty, bloody violence - OMG here's full frontal nudity of a near-to-be corpse! OMG here's somebody getting shot in the skull! OMG here's Spielberg turning violence into attractive gimmick. The film is philosophically inept, politically numb and fatally flawed narratively - it's based on real events, of course, but the narrative is like a Peter Greenaway parody... here's a list of people who we're going to kill, and the film finishes when we get to zero. But we literally drown in the numbers.

Then, of course, you've got a multi-national cast speaking English in put-on accents. And the characters are caricatures; someone starts namepdropping Hegel at one point; LMFAO.

Spielberg's a kid, deep down; Schindler's List isn't the masterpiece it aspires to, nor is Saving Private Ryan; his best films are guilty of unashamed emotional prostitution, too, of course - Jaws is excellent - but at least they're not acting under false artistic pretences. He needs a new editor, as well; he's fine at beginning films, but since Saving Private Ryan, all of his films have dipped fatally in the final third.

He's a fine director of individual set-pieces - some of the murder scenes in Munich are finely done in themselves; as a narrative film, it's fucking rubbish.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 01:00 PM

Well, I agree with you on Crash. And I never understood Spielberg. I can't say I was crazy about any of his movies. I didn't care for the Jurassic Park series, the same goes for Indies. Jaws was just okay. He has that sense of pure black and white in most of his movies, which doesn't go so well with my taste most of the times.

Here though he maintained to stay clear from taking sides. I find what you put as being "politically numb" to be a plus, when you make a movie that's bound to be politically sensitive. The subject matter is purely humane; it has nothing to do with politics. It is a take on vengence, and what it does to some people.

I believe the Character "Steve" didn't feel much anyway, before or after what they went through. Maybe many professional assassins are like that. But their story has not a philosophical point. And I totally disagree that you would put it down as philosophically inept. If anything, the film was pure philosophy. It is about what happens to you when you take a life, justified or not. It takes you to show how you end up on the floor of your bedroom closet, and I did at the end of the movie; so I think it made the point beautifully, at least IMHO.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 01:15 PM

A film isn't of philosophical worth by premise alone, though, and as far as the finished product goes, I found Munich seriously lacking.

I disagree, too, that the film "has nothing to do with politics". All art is political, of course, but here Spielberg is trying to abandon his commercialised image and make a more adult film. (Interestingly, Godard said once that Schindler's List was black and white in order to look more more mature and serious. ;D As it is, those "poetic" moments of the red dress are silly.) He's making the conscious decision to fictionalise a very political event that really happened.

Vengeance is a very politically loaded word, especially when it's used in this context. And by "politically numb" I perhaps gave the wrong impression; I meant it to mean cold, detached - and not in a positive, deliberate way, but in a frightened-to-commit way. Spielberg's not very ambitious, nor is he all that daring.

If Spielberg is more interested in the humane side of things (I don't know how this is exclusive from the political side), he's shooting himself in the foot by making a film on those events; and no character in the film is human - they're cardboard cut-outs, they could be anybody.

You don't agree Spielberg turns violence into a gimmick? I think he does; and I definitely think he renders philosophically, morally and politically promising questions into mundane, painting-by-numbers clichés.

I'd like to see it again so that I could give more of a refreshed critique.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 02:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
You don't agree Spielberg turns violence into a gimmick?


Not really. Nor do I agree that characters are cardboards cut outs. And the humanity has bid farewell in the Mid-East political crisis. That's why I think a political look can't be and won't be humane, in this very matter.

I felt his attempt to be sincere and the violence not to be in any way comercial. But then I also approve of Apocalypto and it is one of my favorite movies.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 03:35 PM

Ah. smile
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 04:05 PM

What? Apocalypto falls in the same category for you? grin
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 04:09 PM

Somehow Mel Gibson scarred my psyche irreparably with his Braveheart. I don't have any courage to visit his movies now grin
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: svsg
Somehow Mel Gibson scarred my psyche irreparably with his Braveheart. I don't have any courage to visit his movies now grin


Well, my view is, if you show someone is being killed, make it as gore and as believable as it is in real life and don't save us from anything.

I loved Apocalypto. I cried with it, I smiled with it, I felt terrible, I felt excited, moved to the edge of my seat, chewed my nails, and all was great. I felt something.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 04:22 PM

What is your view on Braveheart?
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 04:48 PM

I watched it at least 5 years ago. I don't really remember much, but it never stopped me from watching his other movies obviously, so I wasn't outraged for sure. grin I vaguely remember liking the movie, with a score around 8/10 perhaps.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 04:52 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
I vaguely remember liking the movie, with a score around 8/10 perhaps.

It is a bannable offense to rate it that high grin
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 04:56 PM

Originally Posted By: svsg
Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
I vaguely remember liking the movie, with a score around 8/10 perhaps.

It is a bannable offense to rate it that high grin


Well, it was many years ago and many movies I rewatched didn't appeal to me as they did back then, but in general, I didn't watch anything from Gibson that I totally dislike.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 05:00 PM

"What women want" and "Ransom" are borderline annoying, but okay. "A man without a face" was nice, as I remember it. Braveheart is atrocious.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: svsg
"What women want" and "Ransom" are borderline annoying, but okay. "A man without a face" was nice, as I remember it. Braveheart is atrocious.


"What women want" isn't a Gibson picture. Though it was okay. Haven't seen the other two I think. How exactly is Braveheart atrocious?
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 05:24 PM

What Women Want is a Gibson picture. Plus it was made by his company, ICON.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 05:25 PM

I always thought that "Rob Roy" told a similar story and did it way better than "Braveheart".
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 05:26 PM

It has the formula slacker/underdog story, romance, grandiose "epic" aspirations based on totally unengaging story, characters and plot. Fake tensions, melodrama. I could either laugh loudly at how awful it was, or cringe in my seat while others are in deep awe of the melodrama.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 06:17 PM

Well, I should watch it again. grin
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 08:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Tony Mosrite
Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra


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Totally disagree that Amores perros is better than 21 Grams. If the latter is, taken linearly, a soap-opera on steroids, it at least makes the non-linear format integral to the meaning of its philosophy. Little everyday moments are given the utmost significance, because they're taken out of their causal context.

I re-watched Amores perros recently and was underwhelmed. It's not awful, though; certainly better than Babel, which is a load of bullshit.


yes, Babel sucks. Crash is even worse. I feel embarassed for watching it.


I don't know why I first brought up "Crash" in this conversation. I knew both "Amores Perros" and "21 Grams" were directed by the same guy (Alejandro González-Iñárritu) but it didn't really struck to me and I thought of it as a conversation about non-linear-garbage movies and "Crash" is the worst of them all. I am watching it right now and I have to say I was wrong. I don't feel embarassed for watching it anymore. actually it is amusing. it is really, really bad. stories couldn't have been told in a worse way. I believe the scene with the black couple in the beginning is supposed to be a joke. you wanna show authorities abusing people? fine, but that is NOT the way it happens. not to mention every other single line spoken and carachter "developed" and ALL the fuckin' "situations-turned-upside-down" scenes, just everything is so unnatural and cliché, it makes the movie just a bunch of mistakes one after another. you can just pick a random scene and start laughing. the hipocrit black cop who doesn't want to make a report, the hard-working-straightup-homie, the two young black friends... which one is the worst?

as for "No Country For Old Men" I absolutely agree that it's the kind of movie that only gets better as you watch it again and again. Tommy Lee Jones' speeches specially are open for interpretation and I believe the key is when he says "I feel overmatched". that's it.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 08:51 PM

Tony refresh my memory here, where was Crash non-linear? Are your referring to parallel story lines?
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 09:03 PM

yes exactly. both are used together all the time but in Crash it's just parallel stories that bump into each other in the end. it only works when the movie is overall a great one.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/22/08 10:21 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
What? Apocalypto falls in the same category for you? grin
I didn't really mind Apocalypto as a "chase him through the jungle" thriller. Death, it seems, is the ultimate escape for Gibson - and violent death at that. I respect his decision to film in archaic languages, too; though I'm not sure what the purpose of that is beyond general mannerism. Still, it's better than Spielberg's "put on a fake accent even though we're still speaking English" kind of authenticity.

But it's always bordering on pornographic; it's not grim at all - it's lavishly brutal, and it likes being brutal. It's stirringly brutal. It's not off-putting. It's baroque. It's arousingly violent. Not only do these people kill each other by throwing spears, but the spears have to go through the heart each and every time and the blood has to splatter the screen. If Gibson wasn't rich enough to fund these projects, they'd be straight-to-VHS B-movies that you pick up in garbage cans on the street.

Passion of the Christ is hilarious.

He's very masturbatory, and I don't like the taste of his cum. He needs to take a course in when and when not to shoot in slow-motion; his politics are repugnant - though I've not really viewed them beyond the surface; Passion is one of the worst films ever made; Braveheart is dull in its grandeur; Apocalypto has promise unfulfilled.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 06:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
He's very masturbatory, and I don't like the taste of his cum. He needs to take a course in when and when not to shoot in slow-motion; his politics are repugnant - though I've not really viewed them beyond the surface...


Well, I think I agree with you that Gibson is very self gratifying. But as for the taste of his cum, it is very subjective. tongue

For instance, I can see a Jewish person does not like Passion. Or an English doesn't care for Braveheart to say the least (Though I should watch that again, I find my taste of six years ago now shameful at times) To me, being of a Muslim background and brain-washed that it was not Christ who was crucified, and crucifixion to be the crime of Romans anyway; I would watch it very objectively. The story may be flawed and the facts be twisted and self serving. It might anger me as 300 would, if I was not detached from the subject matter. (I've not seen that one just yet.) But all in all, technically, it wasn't as bad as you say it is. It could deliver what it was intended for it, whether we like the taste or not.

But I really don't see your point about the problem of spears going through hearts each and every time. 007 has the worst record for such coincidences and many wouldn't care. It is entertainment and if they didn't have the money, that franchise may as well would've came out as B movies. But it doesn't and no one takes them that seriously, it is British masturbation and we don't credit it any more than that. So why should we credit Apocalypto, Passion or 300 with more than that either?

I think Gibson is being attacked more than he has got merit. He is not that fantastic that you make it out to be, to need the extra bashing to balance the quota. But he is better than many out there making movies. I've not totally disliked anything he has done.

Now as for Spielberg and his Munich, I still think it made the point it wanted successfully at least for me. Muslims and Jews have one thing in common among many other things, and that's the right to vengeance. It is religiously instated in our culture to seek retaliation. Let us see, as graphically as possible, how it never ends. It was about time for an objective and masterful view of Spielberg and I loved it.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 07:24 AM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Muslims and Jews have one thing in common among many other things, and that's the right to vengeance. It is religiously instated in our culture to seek retaliation.

Seriously? Maybe I need to study these more. Besides my Catholic upbringing, and a few years of agnosticism yet back again, I've only otherwise studied Eastern Religions (in college)... and those were quite peaceful. Ahh, well. Maybe someday they'll all be peaceful? (Wishful thinking I suppose ohwell )
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 07:41 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Seriously? Maybe I need to study these more. Besides my Catholic upbringing, and a few years of agnosticism yet back again, I've only otherwise studied Eastern Religions (in college)... and those were quite peaceful. Ahh, well. Maybe someday they'll all be peaceful? (Wishful thinking I suppose ohwell )


Yes, eye for an eye literally. If you make someone blind, they could ask for the same about you and be granted by our judicial system. A case in a million, a family forfeits their right to the death penalty. It's very rare. Turning the other cheek? Never! God forbid! That's for the weak!! ohwell

Though I should mention that in Islamic verses, you could forgive, but just as well you could retaliate. No one blames you for that.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 07:53 AM


That's sooooooooo old school! wink

Afs, you know I love you, and you know I respect diversity... and "an eye for an eye" even often makes sense to me -- but -- I gotta stick with the God that encourages love and forgiveness (tho it may be difficult at times, due to human nature just needing to self destruct itself for some reason lol). I respect differing opinions/beliefs, but don't necessarily need to agree with them. wink

I'm a non-violent Don. grin
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 08:09 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

That's sooooooooo old school! wink

Afs, you know I love you, and you know I respect diversity... and "an eye for an eye" even often makes sense to me -- but -- I gotta stick with the God that encourages love and forgiveness (tho it may be difficult at times, due to human nature just needing to self destruct itself for some reason lol). I respect differing opinions/beliefs, but don't necessarily need to agree with them. wink

I'm a non-violent Don. grin


Oh! What a pussy! lol J/K! (You know that, right? And that I love you as well. grin )

See, what I said above is not my personal belief. Frankly, I'm not sure what my personal belief is anymore. Watching both sides pitying the other side is going to hell has become really amusing to me. It is just the fact and state of things around here that I tried to explain. I'm not exactly opposed to it, nor in favor of it. I can see there are people who don't deserve to live. But then I'm thankful that I'm not the one to make such decisions.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 08:16 AM


Maybe someday we can agree that only He can be judge and jury on such matters... wink

Anyway, I need to hit the sack... and you need to have your lunch lol...

This Pussy ( tongue lol ) is outta here! 'night, babe... see you soon!
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 08:21 AM

lol

Anyone can be the judge as long as I'm not, and if everyone is as reluctant about judging as I am, we might end up with the same option you've in mind. grin So I think I can agree with you already. grin

Good night JG! Sleep tight. smile
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
For instance, I can see a Jewish person does not like Passion. Or an English doesn't care for Braveheart to say the least (Though I should watch that again, I find my taste of six years ago now shameful at times) To me, being of a Muslim background and brain-washed that it was not Christ who was crucified, and crucifixion to be the crime of Romans anyway; I would watch it very objectively.
I don't think the specificity of my nationality feeds into my indifference for Braveheart. I actually used to love it. I don't know what point you're trying to make here.

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It could deliver what it was intended for it, whether we like the taste or not.
I've not read enough of Gibson's press coverage to arrive at a point of satisfaction regarding his authorial intent. I'm not sure how the films were intended, but I'd be surprised and annoyed if Passion was made for laughs, if Braveheart was made for yawns, and Apocalypto was made for simple egde-of-your-seat thrills (and eye-rolls). I mean, to consciously make a film specifically about an ancient culture, to learn their language and utilise it in the dialogue; there's politicisation in that, surely.

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But I really don't see your point about the problem of spears going through hearts each and every time. 007 has the worst record for such coincidences and many wouldn't care.
Well, for the record, I'm not defending the Bond franchise either (nor did I bring it up, nor would I have brought it up). But, to be fair, I'm not sure if Mel Gibson simply wants to make money from his films, like Bond's producers do.

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But it doesn't and no one takes them that seriously, it is British masturbation and we don't credit it any more than that.
Actually, it's not British. Even the Connery films were American-funded.

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So why should we credit Apocalypto, Passion or 300 with more than that either?
Because, as I've said, I'm not sure if the intentions behind each are the same. I can't buy into the fact that Gibson went to the lengths of having his films in archaic languages only so as to make profit. Cultural and linguistic authenticity in a film don't put bums on seats. In fact, whereas Passion had a surefire audience, the trailers of Apocalypto had absolutely no dialogue in whatsoever. "OMG subtitles" would have been quite a common, off-putting reaction, I think. Instead, you get all the general clichés of an ancient civilisation dying out, "from the director of Braveheat and Passion of the Christ, etc., etc. On the one hand, Gibson making language-specific films is a brave aesthetic choice - and I'd be very, very surprised if it was done in the name of making money, or simple "entertainment" (a slippy defence; read on).
300 especially is a different ballpark altogether from Gibson's projects and the Bond films, for a whole boat of other reasons.

And defending things in the name of "Entertainment" is quite a vague concept. Do you mean, "economic profit"? I'm entertained by many a bomb.

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I think Gibson is being attacked more than he has got merit. He is not that fantastic that you make it out to be, to need the extra bashing to balance the quota.
I never suggested anything along the lines that Gibson is popular, or well-renowned, or critically acclaimed, or successful, or talented, or skilled. You brought him up, in parallel to Spielberg - or more specifically, Spielberg's use of violence.

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But he is better than many out there making movies. I've not totally disliked anything he has done.
Well, we'll agree to disagree, here. There are hundreds of thousands of directors out there; from the very few I've seen, Gibson's made three movies - one dull, one mediocre, one absolutely shite. The (subjective) stats don't look promising. grin

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Now as for Spielberg and his Munich, I still think it made the point it wanted successfully at least for me. Muslims and Jews have one thing in common among many other things, and that's the right to vengeance. It is religiously instated in our culture to seek retaliation. Let us see, as graphically as possible, how it never ends. It was about time for an objective and masterful view of Spielberg and I loved it.
I think Spielberg's violence is graphic when it wants to be, not where it needs to be; there's a certain attraction in it, a pornographic appeal. All that washed-out cinematography does little to make it more adult. It's theatrical, it's superficial.

As far as violence goes in film, it's all superficial of course, but as an example of where I'm coming from, I'm moved by the likes of that seen in Gaspar Noé's Irreversible, Bruno Dumont's 29 Palms, in Tobe Hooper's The Texas Chain Saw Massacre; recently, I watched a short film called Cutting Moments by Douglas Buck - that was good. None of those skirt around the issue of violence; it's not glitzy, it's visceral and immersive - and as a result horrific. Michael Haneke is capable of capturing violence, too.

Cronenberg is interesting, too; violence is a strong theme of his, recently, too. He's working within the realms of Hollywood now, and beating everybody at their own game. A History of Violence and Eastern Promises depict horrific violence; the former is even a comment on mainstream violence and how we consume it.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 03:57 PM

^^^ Most incoherent post ever. Sorry.
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 04:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
^^^ Most incoherent post ever. Sorry.


rolleyes
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
I don't think the specificity of my nationality feeds into my indifference for Braveheart. I actually used to love it. I don't know what point you're trying to make here.


Sorry, it is not directed wholly at you, you know, this spirit of Passion bashing, Gibson bashing or 300 bashing and so on, most of the time is tribal. grin But I didn't mean it to be directed at you specifically. svsg also didn't like it and he isn't British, I was merely ranting. Nowadays when you mention Gibson, people with their torches jump on the bandwagon if you know what I mean, which is very irritating. I merely pointed out a lot of it is tribal, rather than anything technical in the movie or directing.

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I've not read enough of Gibson's press coverage to arrive at a point of satisfaction regarding his authorial intent. I'm not sure how the films were intended, but I'd be surprised and annoyed if Passion was made for laughs, if Braveheart was made for yawns, and Apocalypto was made for simple egde-of-your-seat thrills (and eye-rolls). I mean, to consciously make a film specifically about an ancient culture, to learn their language and utilise it in the dialogue; there's politicisation in that, surely.


Passion delivered. The base for this claim is how it was received by the Christians. Any religious matter maybe laughable to either you or me, but we couldn't be the judge of that. Using the local dialect could pass a movie as more authentic. I figure for the passion he needed this more than in Apocalypto, but in Apocalypto the dialogue was so scarce, it couldn't hurt the crowed interested in pure entertainment, also it could help make it more believable than our average thriller about the same subject in English language. And I really don't remember any yawns during Braveheart but it was many years ago, so I refrain from giving an opinion on that count just yet.

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Well, for the record, I'm not defending the Bond franchise either (nor did I bring it up, nor would I have brought it up).


No of course you don't. Sorry about that, but I just couldn't resist. grin

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Because, as I've said, I'm not sure if the intentions behind each are the same... On the one hand, Gibson making language-specific films is a brave aesthetic choice - and I'd be very, very surprised if it was done in the name of making money, or simple "entertainment" (a slippy defence; read on).

And defending things in the name of "Entertainment" is quite a vague concept. Do you mean, "economic profit"? I'm entertained by many a bomb.


Well, he tries to rise from the ordinary, that's for sure. And that's the reason he tries to seem more authentic by using the local language. But at the end of the day, doesn't he want to entertain as well? Wouldn't it be more dramatic if they throw spears like a pro? No, I don't mean just economic profit; I mean it being better received, though that's a side effect of it being more entertaining and engaging.

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I think Spielberg's violence is graphic when it wants to be, not where it needs to be; there's a certain attraction in it, a pornographic appeal. All that washed-out cinematography does little to make it more adult. It's theatrical, it's superficial.


Very well, you gave some examples of what you consider more effective ways of showing violence. I'd be more interested that you take one of the scenes from Munich and tell me how you'd have arranged it to make it more effective. Take a pick, any of them that was more superficial to you.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/23/08 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Nowadays when you mention Gibson, people with their torches jump on the bandwagon if you know what I mean, which is very irritating. I merely pointed out a lot of it is tribal, rather than anything technical in the movie or directing.
Yeah, fair enough. Though FWIW, my problems with Gibson's films have little to do with him as a person, or what he's said outside of his filmmaking practices. I'm the judging the films as how I see them.

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Passion delivered. The base for this claim is how it was received by the Christians. Any religious matter maybe laughable to either you or me, but we couldn't be the judge of that.
My problem isn't the subject matter, it's Gibson's treatment of it. I don't laugh out of heartlessness, I don't laugh at the fact that Jesus is getting tortured to death; I laugh at how self-serious it is, at the slow-motion, at the utter seriousness with which it's all depicted. The music, the performances, the sense of pornographic ritual to it all. It's bloated, it's rubbish.

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Using the local dialect could pass a movie as more authentic. I figure for the passion he needed this more than in Apocalypto, but in Apocalypto the dialogue was so scarce, it couldn't hurt the crowed interested in pure entertainment, also it could help make it more believable than our average thriller about the same subject in English language.
But that's quite a unique, odd choice to make, no? To shoot your film in a language nobody no longer speaks. And does that make it more believable than our average thriller? Is it merely a case of authenticity? I'm not sure.

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And I really don't remember any yawns during Braveheart but it was many years ago, so I refrain from giving an opinion on that count just yet.
I was being facetious. I'm pretty sure Braveheart wasn't made to bore or tire people. smile

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Very well, you gave some examples of what you consider more effective ways of showing violence. I'd be more interested that you take one of the scenes from Munich and tell me how you'd have arranged it to make it more effective. Take a pick, any of them that was more superficial to you.
Firstly, I'd be interested in what you make of the films I referenced - watching them, and seeing how their depiction of violence may differ from Spielberg's. Spielberg uses violence as a plot device, a gimmick. Those I listed employ it more as an experience in itself, to be felt and endured. You might argue Spielberg does the same, but I'd totally disagree; it's an emotional manipulation as much as the crescendo of strings we hear when E.T.'s bicycle rises up into the air. I don't find any of his violence horrific.

Take that scene in Munich wherein someone has a knife forced into their skull. It's artificial, it's detached, it may as well be a clay model. And I'm talking abstract, here, which I know is very difficult to understand (even for him writing it), and argue against - for which I apologise. It's not horrific at all. All that music, the washed-out cinematography; it just strikes me as very obvious an attempt by Spielberg to seem very sophisticated and mature. There are moments in Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan that are extremely well-done when considered in isolation, but in the context of the woolly narrative, none of it seems alive. It's all mannerism; nothing screams style over substance more.

In contrast, I watched Waltz with Bashir at the cinema the other week and was floored by its daring and ambition, neither of which Spielberg has shown in years. In that film - an animated documentary - the director and protagonist visits several close friends with whom he served in the military years ago, with the intention of finding out what truly happened on a day he can only remember in fleeting memories. Some of the violence in that was not only necessarily brutal, and effective, but affective, too. I think it had something to do with the nature of the narrative - what we were seeing were reconstructions of someone's memory, a memory scarred into "forgetting" past events; and so what we are seeing, what is being revealed, is also a revelation for the protagonist. It's very immediate, very urgent.

Munich, on the other hand, seems tame and pedestrian by comparison.
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/24/08 08:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
My problem isn't the subject matter, it's Gibson's treatment of it. I don't laugh out of heartlessness, I don't laugh at the fact that Jesus is getting tortured to death; I laugh at how self-serious it is, at the slow-motion, at the utter seriousness with which it's all depicted. The music, the performances, the sense of pornographic ritual to it all. It's bloated, it's rubbish.


Isn't the concept of religion something very self-serious? Wouldn't preachers crucify Christ in their sermons, describing it with such slow painful words that make audience flinch? We obviously have problem with the subject matter. We can't take it. It's all loaded. We simply can't look at objectively.

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But that's quite a unique, odd choice to make, no? To shoot your film in a language nobody no longer speaks. And does that make it more believable than our average thriller? Is it merely a case of authenticity? I'm not sure.


It certainly stands out. But other than that, what do we learn about their culture or customs? They could be any tribe, anywhere in the world. It merely passes as more authentic.

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Firstly, I'd be interested in what you make of the films I referenced - watching them, and seeing how their depiction of violence may differ from Spielberg's.


From those you mention I think I've seen "The Texas Chain Saw Massacre," but don't remember much. I remember Irreversible though. I've to say I simply disagree when you put Munich as pornographic, but Irreversible as genuine portray of pain and violence. To me it is quite the opposite, though you put your finger on a very interesting scene at Munich that felt artificial to me as well. I also agree that Spielberg uses emotional manipulation, but how else would you make viewers feel what an assassin would feel in course of a long time with what you have to offer in course of a couple of hours?

Of course Munich is emotional manipulation, compared to Irreversible that's merely projection of violence and serves little to take you anywhere; it is so abstract and detached.

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In contrast, I watched Waltz with Bashir at the cinema the other week and was floored by its daring and ambition, neither of which Spielberg has shown in years. In that film - an animated documentary - the director and protagonist visits several close friends with whom he served in the military years ago, with the intention of finding out what truly happened on a day he can only remember in fleeting memories. Some of the violence in that was not only necessarily brutal, and effective, but affective, too. I think it had something to do with the nature of the narrative - what we were seeing were reconstructions of someone's memory, a memory scarred into "forgetting" past events; and so what we are seeing, what is being revealed, is also a revelation for the protagonist. It's very immediate, very urgent.

Munich, on the other hand, seems tame and pedestrian by comparison.


I've heard a great deal about this one. But isn't a bit strange comparing an animation to technical aspects of Munich? At any case, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Spielberg has always felt artificial and detached to me. This was the closest emotional experience for me among his movies.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/26/08 11:32 AM

I watched Planes, Trains and Automobiles last night and it gets better with every viewing... classic.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/26/08 05:30 PM

I've never been into most comedies, and hardly ever pay to see a comedy at the theater, BUT, yesterday, on tv they had "What About Bob?" with Bill Murray. It was hilarious. I had seen it only once, but it's been years. I loved it. smile


TIS
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/26/08 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I've never been into most comedies, and hardly ever pay to see a comedy at the theater, BUT, yesterday, on tv they had "What About Bob?" with Bill Murray. It was hilarious. I had seen it only once, but it's been years. I loved it. smile


Bill Murray is typical Murray in that movie, but Dreyfuss makes it great! Anybody need "Death Therapy"? grin
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/26/08 10:14 PM

MMMMmmmmMMmmmmMmmmmmmmMMMMMMMm mmmmmMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmMMMMMmmm

Posted By: Santino Brasi

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/26/08 10:16 PM

I just watched Mrs. Doubtfire
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/26/08 10:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Santino Brasi
I just watched Mrs. Doubtfire
....why?

I'm currently watching Casino
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/26/08 10:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
MMMMmmmmMMmmmmMmmmm mmmMMMMMMMmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmMMMMMmmm




Ha ha ha ha!!! lol Or... "I'm sailing, I'm sailing" or "Is this some kind of radical new therapy?" lol

Yes, Dreyfeus is great too.


TIS
Posted By: Santino Brasi

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/08 12:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
Originally Posted By: Santino Brasi
I just watched Mrs. Doubtfire
....why?

I'm currently watching Casino


I enjoy Robin Williams movies
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/08 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
MMMMmmmmMMmmmmMmmmmmmmMMMMMMMm mmmmmMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmMMMMMmmm



What part was that from?
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/08 01:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Originally Posted By: Longneck
MMMMmmmmMMmmmmMmmmmmmmMMMMMMMm mmmmmMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmMMMMMmmm

What part was that from?


The Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmiddle?
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/08 01:25 AM

Mmmmmmmmmmaybe you're right. *shrug*
Posted By: Santino Brasi

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/08 01:27 AM

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy God, Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmman up
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/08 01:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Originally Posted By: Longneck
MMMMmmmmMMmmmmMmmmmmmmMMMMMMMm mmmmmMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmMMMMMmmm



What part was that from?


Oh wait, was that the part when he's eating?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/08 01:36 AM

Yea, that's right.Here's the trailer with a small portion of that "mmmmmmmmm" clip. lol Makes me laugh. lol

TIS


Trailer
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/08 01:45 AM

Thanks for the video TIS! I need to watch this again soon!
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/08 01:50 AM

Okay, one more quote from What About Bob? and I'll stop.

This is when they were on television, on Good Morning America:

"It doesn't work as quickly for everyone as it did for Boob here, I mean Bob." -Dr. Leo
"You can call me Boob if you want, I don't mind"- Bob
"I don't wanna call you Boob!" - Dr. Leo

Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/08 01:58 AM

I just watched "The Curse of Dracula"

Absolute turd.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/08 01:58 AM

Roses are red
violets are blue
I'm a schizophrenic and so am I
. lol Love that one too.



TIS
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/30/08 07:20 AM


I just watched a double feature of the Oscar-winning documentary March of the Penguins (2005) followed by Bob Saget and company's all-star cast in Farce of the Penguins (2006). I thought the former would be boring (hell, minutes before I was falling asleep during the beginning of the classic Doctor Zhivago (1965) before I switched to March figuring I wouldn't miss much if I did fall asleep). And I didn't! Fascinating stuff. But I couldn't help but wonder why evolution couldn't include just a bit more practicality in a penguin's life. whistle lol

The Farce, on the other hand, lives up to its name. Saget, believe it or not, is one of the dirtiest and funniest comedians around (when not on TV), and the casting was superlative. Trouble is, everything else about it, for the most part, sucked. Corny as all hell, with less-than-indie-budget editing and production. Fun idea, but not fun enough to enjoy as most other adolescent slapstick comedies. Ahh well. Maybe the other Oscar-winning penguin film within a year -- Happy Feet (2006) -- will be better. wink


Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/30/08 10:15 PM

I just watched The Harlem Boys.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/09 12:17 PM

I watched The Bourne Identity last night, enjoyed it very much was a bit confused at first but got into it at the end..
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/09 04:39 PM

I watched Independence Day. I've seen it a bunch of times, but it's still nice to watch it again, especially the ending. However, I always miss the part about the President's wife - does she die?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/09 05:29 PM


I finally saw The Sting (1973) last night and can't believe I put it off for so long! Great stuff from Newman and Redford! cool
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/09 05:41 PM

I watched Underboss.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/09 08:45 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I finally saw The Sting (1973) last night and can't believe I put it off for so long! Great stuff from Newman and Redford! cool



I've been wanting to see this too, and The Hustler.

Saw Marley and Me in the theatre last night. My wife thought it'd be a funny comedy type of movie and it did have some funny moments but the ending made my wife cry and now she hates the movie and called it mean.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/09 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
My wife thought it'd be a funny comedy type of movie and it did have some funny moments but the ending made my wife cry and now she hates the movie and called it mean.


Thanks for the heads up, I won't be watching this with my girlfriend any time soon. The last thing I need is her to be upset over a stupid movie.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/09 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I finally saw The Sting (1973) last night and can't believe I put it off for so long! Great stuff from Newman and Redford! cool



Great movie grin I've had it on my list of movies to revisit. Redford and Newman make such a great duo. Have you seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid ?
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/04/09 06:34 AM

Oh, "The Sting" and "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" are two of my favorite movies as well. Great pictures. smile
Posted By: Pacinofan08

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/04/09 12:34 PM

Robin Williams is a great Actor, he can play funny, and then play really serious characters such as Insomina!

I like Bill Murray too

Thank You for the clip!

-Grace
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/04/09 03:11 PM

One Hour Photo and RV are also very good.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/04/09 11:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Pacinofan08
Robin Williams is a great Actor, he can play funny, and then play really serious characters such as Insomina!


Yeah, check out the Robin Williams "evil trilogy":

-DEATH TO SMOOCHY
-ONE HOUR PHOTO
-INSOMNIA
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/04/09 11:23 PM

I just saw a rerun of Law & Order SVU with Robin Williams as a very creepy guy. He was so good that he actually made my skin crawl.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/04/09 11:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I just saw a rerun of Law & Order SVU with Robin Williams as a very creepy guy. He was so good that he actually made my skin crawl.


He sure is creepy. Did you by chance see One Hour Photo with him?? Yikes, from a standup comic to one heck of a creepy guy. eek


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/04/09 11:42 PM

No, I haven't. It's one of those I've been meaning to get to, and just haven't yet.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/06/09 08:24 AM


La Dolce Vita (1960) -- Man, do I ever feel like a dumbass trying to follow along WTF is going on in this film -- and then admitting as much. I mean, I get (or thought I had) the gist of it for about the first two hours (despite wondering who the hell so-and-so was all of a sudden), but then nearing the end I was just like... what??? I'm sure it's me, or maybe it's Fellini -- I'm not familiar with his style -- and I've seen and enjoyed my fair share of bizarre and out-there stuff, but... hmmm.... maybe I should've just popped in Terminator 2 or something my feeble adolescent mind can follow along. whistle

IMDb: 8.1/10 ??!



Now on the other hand, I've gotten totally addicted to the A&E reality series Airline (2004-2005)! I'd never head of it 'til I saw it on Netflix, and have been playing it via my awesome Roku Netflix player on my TV. wink Anyone who's done extensive travel (or worked in an airport) would LOVE this!! "The customer is always right" is a nice mantra and all, but it certainly isn't true -- but they have to pretend it is sometimes. I cannot believe Southwest Airlines okay'd this because sometimes they look bad (deservedly so), but most of the time the customers are just dumbasses who deserved to be bumped or denied! People who show up 2 minutes before a flight... wasted customers = denied... "COS's" (Customers Of Size) needing to be told they need to purchase a second seat... but also happy human interest stories mixed in. You can watch this in 20-minute shots, with 20-something episodes in the first season. I'm just very sad that only the first season (of 3) has been released, and I'm almost thru it.... ohwell

IMDb: 6.1/10 ??!
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/06/09 09:05 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
I'd never head of it 'til I saw it on Netflix, and have been playing it via my awesome Roku Netflix player on my TV.


How do you like your Roku? My brother just got it for Christmas and has been telling me about it. I just signed up for the two week trial for NetFlix and am very impressed. The Roku box thingy sounds like a better device than all the On-Demand cable crap I'm bombarded with in commercials.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/06/09 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
How do you like your Roku?

Thumbs Up! I have a thread about it here...
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/06/09 08:17 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

La Dolce Vita (1960) -- Man, do I ever feel like a dumbass trying to follow along WTF is going on in this film -- and then admitting as much. I mean, I get (or thought I had) the gist of it for about the first two hours (despite wondering who the hell so-and-so was all of a sudden), but then nearing the end I was just like... what??? I'm sure it's me, or maybe it's Fellini -- I'm not familiar with his style -- and I've seen and enjoyed my fair share of bizarre and out-there stuff, but... hmmm.... maybe I should've just popped in Terminator 2 or something my feeble adolescent mind can follow along. whistle

IMDb: 8.1/10 ??!


Absolutely deserving of the rating IMO. A great film on general decadence in society and commentary on values in journalism etc (I forget all the themes). And great black and white cinematography like other Fellini.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/06/09 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Man, do I ever feel like a dumbass trying to follow along WTF is going on in this film


It's Dumas. Didn't you ever see "Shawshank Redemption"?

Geeesch.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/07/09 05:33 PM

I've got to watch La dolce vita again; it's been a while. From what I remember, I agree with svsg: a piercing, scathing comment on social decadence.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/09/09 07:56 PM



THE HOUSE BUNNY (2008) - ***

Yeah RRA yours truely is putting aside his usual queue of masculine pulp action exploitation trash and 1980s fantasy cinema by reviewing this girlie flick. Plus my girlfriend made me watch it or else I can't get my next DVD through Netflix, so I had to make the most of this situation.

For better or for worse, THE HOUSE BUNNY is exactly the sort of picture I interpreted from the trailer that endlessly played in theatres back in the summer, but is that a compliment or an insult, or both? You know what I mean, BUNNY following a time-honored plot formula practiced from ANIMAL HOUSE to BACK TO SCHOOL and OLD SCHOOL and so forth where some outsider joins a college campus, meets up with misfits who won't conform, jokes at the clashing of contrasts between hero and academics, duels with snobbish elites and ultimately triumphs. They all also include epic confrontations at student government hearings and meetings, which from my experience is nonsense since student government is nowhere that fun or interesting.

But for what it is, THE HOUSE BUNNY is basically LEGALLY BLONDE meets REVENGE OF THE NERDS, with self-absorbed and absolutely clueless Playboy bunny Anna Farris kicked out of the Mansion, become the House Mother of a Sorority of losers. I mean come on you've seen this movie before, do I really need to go on?

You bastards, I'll never forgive any of you.

OK I'm kidding, for HOUSE BUNNY was alright, but not for the film itself but simply for Farris. I never cared for that SCARY MOVIE series, but she was always a winner in them. Hell, she was only one of two decent things in Ivan Reitman's otherwise terrible MY SUPER EX-GIRLFRIEND, and also she was in BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN and on ENTOURAGE. But what pays her bills is playing very well, perhaps too well, a persona of the charming but vapid blonde, a shtick that made a fortune decades ago for Goldie Hawn. The sad thing I guess is that Farris is so good at it, I wonder if most people assume she is truely such an intellectual flake. Plus she has a very nice ass, or at least her body double does.

Since BUNNY is a Happy Madison production, thus Adam Sandler is a producer, expect some uninspired if at times funny cruel demaning gross jokes. I mean really, a FOREST GUMP-based gag with a crippled girl? Yeah you paralyzed people, your problem is that you all are too lazy. I mean dear Lord I can't believe I just typed that. I mean you get what you pay for. I warned you.

What I did despise though was that after Farris transforms her girls from ugly duckling archetypes of Goth, Midget, Knocked-Up, Hick, Mute, Nerd, etc., then this film then had the gall to end with preaching "be yourself." WHAT?!? Isn't that what these gals were doing in the first place? I mean for fucks sake, what a goddamn condescending message.

There is a point to be made that society never took these women seriously until they ditched their brains in favor of upgrading and bitching out., and pose for a calender. I guess I like that they all initially were doing all this just to save their charter, but that point is lost and we're stuck with Hollywood once again telling girls that boobs are better than brains. I mean I love both, so why can't we have both like say Scarlett Johansson, a woman I could have an intelligent conversation with while I'm undressing her with my eyes.

Hey, I'm at least a honest guy.

So I guess I'm like the Colin Hanks character, playing a brighter but less chummy role that his dad would have played in the early 1980s. I laughed at that one scene of depressed Hugh Hefner eating ice cream because Farris left the mansion, then I realize how irrelevant Playboy itself has become. My generation of guys were the first to figure out that instead of sneakingly shoplifting a Playboy magazine at the local convenience store or try to watch scrampled porn on pre-digital cable days looking through back issues of National Geographic, you could get the same content and more easier and for free on the Internet. Oh sure there's that popular THE GIRLS NEXT DOOR reality TV program, but that's it for Playboy.

Also, I'm sure Hefner has some dumb blonde bimbos stacked around after Farris left, like Pamela Anderson. OK, she's got Hepatitis, but there are others.

So I like HOUSE BUNNY, or I like Anna Farris who just happened to be in a movie called HOUSE BUNNY. I mean better than having to watch the SEX & THE CITY motion picture, right?

Wait, I gotta review that too? No, that's it. We drew a specific line here when we came into our holy Netflix covenant. With two at a time, you get your stupid shit, and I get my stupid shit. I know you're not interested in watching Jean Claude Van Damme's SUDDEN DEATH or Steven Seagal's FIRE DOWN BELOW, so don't watch it. No, BRIDGET JONES' DIARY isn't higher brow than DIE HARD 2, for both are disposable but fun popcorn. I love you, I really do, but you're killing me here. How about 50 FIRST DATES again, and I'll clean your car?

Deal.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/09/09 08:02 PM



LEGEND (1985) - ****

(NOTE: This is a review of the Director's Cut.)



[size:"5"]"What is Light without Dark?"[/color]

I'll admit it, but I just don't care much for fantasy, especially that ole fucking "sword & sorcerey" nonsense. When any of those stories or movies go off with their elves, unicorns, princesses, dwarves, goblins, a hero on a magical quest and all that crap, they just give off an awkwardly goofy vibe of which I can't take seriously. Remember in my CONAN THE BARBARIAN review how the genre is mocked for being "silly and effeminate?" At the penalty of sounding chauvinistic, but I think most fantasy works deserve that criticism.

Sorry kids and gals.

Now a good example of such was Sir Ridley Scott's LEGEND, which had a rambling labyrinth plot tied together only by the art direction and the groovy Tim Curry, but even then they're neutralized by the embarrasingly cheesy and dated synthesizer soundtrack by Tangerine Dream (which reportedly they hastily composed and conducted within 2 weeks.) LEGEND was like a good case study of everything that 1980s Hollywood was at its worst: Tom Cruise starring in pretty eye candy designed to appeal to the teenie boppers, but as damn hollow as a dead oak tree for everyone else. It's the sort of movie where it's ok if you had liked it as a kid, but as an adult? Like owning Barry Manilow records, either keep such information to yourself, or accept that people will nod and then quietly walk away from you.

While LEGEND bombed in America, it was a hit in Europe which was a mystery to me. Then I find out that their LEGEND is completely different than the LEGEND we Yankees knew. For one thing, Scott chopped out 25 minutes for the USA release, which explains the massive plot holes. Second, the European version had a supeior score composed by the late great Jerry Goldsmith. Third, Scott and crew obviously took this whole enterprise seriously, which nobody would have gleamed from the infamous American cut. Fourth, and most important....despite containing elements of the genre which I usually hate, I actually ended up quite liking this particular LEGEND.

Hey crazier shit has happened, right?

As John Milius did with CONAN THE BARBARIAN, Scott took material that could easily be dismissed as adolescent illegitimate fare, and instead sought to grant it an aura of respectability, and not be ashamed of itself. He wanted to create visually and wholeheartedly a fairy tale, almost I guess in ambition the ultimate vision for fantasy cinema that some would argue that Scott had done for science fiction with ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER. Indeed with production design by Leslie Dilley, Assherton Gorton, and Norman Dorme, their hyperbolic symbolic worlds are tremendously juicy rich, and should have won an Oscar (fuck you A ROOM WITH A VIEW.) The beautiful forest of Light luscious with critters is Heaven, the frozen-over woods after the disaster is Purgatory, and the fire pits at the Palace of Darkness is pure Hell on Earth, a joint damned personally by God himself on day one.

I'll say something controversial here, but I'm more impressed by the overall aesthetics accomplished in LEGEND than with the whole LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy. Yeah what Peter Jackson and WETA did with special effects was commendable and certainly raised the cinema bar, but so what? They had computers, LEGEND didn't. It's one of the last great pre-CGI FX hurrahs, for everything you see had to be done practically on-set, including Rob Bottin's great Oscar nominated make-up, an art thankfully still not conquered by the microchips, and better for it methinks.

I mean take for example Tim Curry's excellent performance as Darkness. It seems that no matter what he does like ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW or CLUE or whatever, he always seems to be awesome. Unseen initially in LEGEND, his booming voice alone is the background threat always present and dangerous for the heroes and his henchmen monsters, but when he finally makes his entrance in full glory, you go Holy Shit! Scott claimed one of his inspirations for LEGEND was the classic Disney picture FANTASIA. Remember the giant frightening as hell demon in FANTASIA in the "Night on Bald Mountain" sequence? Well, Curry's Darkness is him coming to life. Would Darkness in full red satanic horns glory be as surprisingly stunning or convincing in CGI?



Come on, be honest folks.

In lock-stock with all this is Goldsmith's soundtrack. He had given us some great memorable themes from PLANET OF THE APES to PATTON to STAR TREK to FIRST BLOOD, and LEGEND might just very well be his most underrated work. Unlike that awful Tangerine Dream score, Goldsmith's music embellishes both the absolute goodness of the Light and the utter evil of the Dark, but re-enforces a crucial lesson that the world could flip to either on a whim, fairly or not.

This is important because on the surface, the story of LEGEND is what you would basically expect I assume, where both a beautiful princess (Mia Sara) and a mare unicorn is kidnapped by Darkness, who killed the other sole living unicorn and took his horn. The world is plunged in snow and without sun, and if the last unicorn dies, there will never be another dawn. Since that would totally suck, forest boy Jack (Cruise) and his rag-tag gang of elves and fairies embark into the Palace to stop Darkness. But underneath all this is a Grimm's fairy tale-esque parable that the road to Hell was paved by the well-meaning intentions of decent folks.

I mean consider that all this trouble started when Cruise showed Sara the unicorns. He knew that mere mortals can't lay eyes on such a rare divine creature, but hey he was horny and wanted to impress her. She herself got curious, and ignoring Cruise's warnings, her corruptable hands touch an untainted unicorn, because hey she's spoiled naive royalty. If neither had made their mistakes in spite of knowing better, Curry wouldn't have been to take the horn, and everything would have been alright. Then when Darkness seduces Sara in a great imaginative operatic dancing sequence, there is present a mature undertone of sexuality and lust:



See what I mean? Children will miss all this of course, but keen adults won't, and just consider all this when you watch the Director's Cut edit. This aint Disney folks.

As visually ambitious and successful as LEGEND is, it just lacks as great of a script as say CONAN THE BARBARIAN did. Oh sure the William Hjortsberg screenplay captures fine the spirit behind the Heroic Myth, where the protagonist decides to defy the impossible, finds his weapons, uses his wits to outsmart diabolical creatures, escape from ensured doom numerous times, ultimately defeat the bad guy, blah blah. But remember that CONAN did all that, but Milius included some insanely creative touches from Arnold Schwarzenegger knocking out a camel with a punch, being an enslaved breeding stud, his sole prayer to his God, throwing down his enemy's head like a basket, etc. LEGEND doesn't really have any such special twists on the Myth, though interestingly Hjortsberg's original script draft was even more ambitiously unique in designs, and even had a shocking scene where the villain did bed the Princess. Now consider that Sara was 15 at the time, yeah that would have been nuts enough to equal CONAN.

Still Hjortsberg did give Curry some awesome lines, particularly:

"The dreams of youth are the regrets of maturity."

Fuck yes.

The other problem is this: Curry is evil, Sara is the princess, and Tom Cruise is playing the hero. Notice the difference? Curry and Sara are perfect for their respective parts, the essential archtypes for the myth, but Cruise? Not so much. I know I've been ragging on him lately, but he's just out of place here. Not terrible, but he doesn't belong in this movie. Plus there are way too many shots where with greasy hair dangling over his face, I keep forgetting that this is Cruise and not Spicoli from FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH. I doubt that was Scott's intention at all. Also, the ending with Cruise and Sara strangely feels like a wrong turn, despite in idea being such a conclusion that I would usually applaud. My good pal Blasty wanted his release that the finale for CONAN failed to provide, and now I know how that feels like with LEGEND. Oh Karma you bitch.

Regardless, I strongly recommend that you defy alleged persisting myths of campyness and garbage, and go check out the Director's Cut of LEGEND. It's a pretty good strong picture bordering greatness that unfortunately is still tainted with ill-repute among certain circles because of its evil twin brother that was released back in America in 1986. Scott admits he conceived that disaster because some stoners at a test screening hated it, and he second-guessed himself. He absolutely wanted a hit, so he made his changes and it failed.

Such good intentions he had....
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/09/09 10:24 PM

I've just watched Von Ryan's Express a classic POW film featuring Frank Sinatra. Very good film

7/10
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/09/09 11:03 PM

Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
I've just watched Von Ryan's Express a classic POW film featuring Frank Sinatra. Very good film

7/10


That's about how I'd rate it.... Sinatra, although past his acting prime, was good in it. I loved the ending!!
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/10/09 11:46 AM

I just watched Dishonored. Marlene Dietrich is good in the role of Mata Hari, but I do prefer Greta Garbo. Yummy on both counts!!
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/10/09 03:48 PM

Watched THE ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES BY THE COWARD ROBERT FORD.

I thought i would not enjoy it but i did. It reminded me of Deadwood in its dialogue and its attention to the detail of that era. Affleck and Pitt both played great parts also!
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/10/09 09:07 PM

Just watched The Long Kiss Goodnight with Geena Davis. It's the perfect sort of action, "no brains required" movie to watch on a snowy day. I've never seen the laws of physics suspended so many times in one film, but I honestly enjoy this movie every time I see it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/11/09 06:12 AM



MORTAL KOMBAT (1995) - *1/2

FINISH HIM!!!

You young kids who grew up in the Epoch of Playstation and X-Box just don't understand how big of a fucking deal MORTAL KOMBAT was back in the day. It wasn't the first arcade fighting game, for hell STREET FIGHTER II came out earlier and was pretty popular too, but creators Ed Boon and John Tobias decided to push the envelope in digital violence. The problem is, many parents and politicians thought it shredded the envelope.

Instead of defeating an opponent by knock out or whatever sillyness, you can kill him or her with the right combination activate a Fatality, and...well, it's called a Fatality for a reason. Now you tots may look at these 16-bit deaths, subdued compared to contemporary video game gore, and laugh. But this shit for us was hardcore insane, and light-years ahead of anyone else. So much that overnight, FIGHTER II became synonymous with lame, or it did for me. Remember when many silly authorities tried to get GRAND THEFT AUTO III banned? Well those same jerks earlier in 1992 tried the same with KOMBAT and it's homicidal cousin DOOM (which came out a year later), enough that the video game industry tapped out and created the ESRB rating system so to shut them up.

Sequels quickly followed, and I tell ya that's the biggest thing I miss about the Video Game Arcades. You and your friends would find out KOMBAT and its sequels from either Nintendo Power magazine or Electronic Games Monthly, wait months for that giant-ass arcade console to be hauled to your local Arcade, and then everyone literally everyone would take a crack at it, see who can be the first to beat the machine, metaphorically from victory or literally due to resentment from futility. Then when the Sega or Super Nintendo version goes on sale, we all buy it and likewise afflict similar abuse to ourselves over utterly meaningless bragging rights. Of course this was before on-line play, so thankfully you didn't have to endure some stupid jackass ruining your little party, nor commit any post-mordem humpings on you like QUAKE.

Anyway boys and girls, MORTAL KOMBAT was so popular, the movie adaptation was inevitable, and we were hyped up for it in summer 1995. KOMBAT was such hot shit, that the film was a big box-office hit in spite of the fact that it was absolutely terrible, and even the techno-theme song went platinum. It also launched the Hollywood career of director Paul W.S. Anderson. That's right, the same asshole hack auteur who later shot such turds like ALIEN VS. PREDATOR, RESIDENT EVIL, and the recent DEATH RACE, all either based on video games, or scripted like them. So basically, it's my generations fault that you kids had to suffer A.V.P.

Sorry.

Some well-meaning people out there insist that KOMBAT is the best video game-adapted movie ever, but that's complete bullshit. It's not just bad for that genre, which itself has not one single quality work, but just individually horrible horrible horrible! Yes I know it's sequel MORTAL KOMBAT ANNIHILATION is remarkably even worse, but that's like excusing the Khmer Rouge because the Nazis had a higher body count.

What strikes me immediately in watching this again, for a would-be martial arts action extravaganza, all the fights in KOMBAT are all incredibly...dull. How the fuck can you make a movie brawl with super-powered jumping and kicking all over the place boring, much less all of them in the same movie? This was before THE MATRIX and THE BOURNE IDENTITY, when we expected our movie stars to be credible action heroes, so you get lots of awkward Steven Seagal-esque close-up shots and body doubles. But at least in many Seagal pictures, you had fun watching him kicking ass. Not here with KOMBAT.

That stems from KOMBAT not having a nonsensical story worth spit, for that script is a glorified quota of producers trying to appease fanboys. Sure KOMBAT wouldn't be Oscar-winning material, but there was good trash pulpy storylines to mine from the KOMBAT games themselves. I mean why would any would-be intergalactic Emperor agree to a truce where he has to win ten straight tournaments before being allowed to conquer Earth? Why not just two? Is he that lazy? There is many plot holes I really want to drill, but there's too many of them, and they're giving me a headache. Worse I

The KOMBAT crew could have been inspired by the Bruce Lee classic ENTER THE DRAGON, and infact the basic plot follows DRAGON. But at least the filmmakers behind DRAGON were slick in producing an economical screenplay to give enough plot without getting in the way of action, and those Lee-choreographed fights were great. For example, DRAGON had three principal heroes in Lee/Saxon/Kelly brought together to a MacGuffin-island tournament for different reasons, but ultimately they together end up defeating the villain. Each were fleshed out and dynamic with unique individual scenes to make us care about those archetypes, and all those actors were adequete for the job.

With KOMBAT, the opposite is true. We simply just have way too many characters, all underdeveloped and I just don't give a shit about any of them. It doesn't help that most of them are casted with bad actors who display some cringing thespian work, poor even for the martial arts genre.The biggest offender methinks is the one playing the sole-female Sonya Blade. Supposedly that character is supposed to be a special forces soldier trained in the fighting arts, but notice that that actresses' major fight how pale and flabby her physique is.

Plus, her part in general is written not as a tough soldier but as a prissy bitch who seems more at home at the Nail Salon than the Firing Range. I mean Jesus they don't never even come close for her to be a credible warrior, which would wrongly insinuate that they tried in the first place. We viewers also suffer as we get scene after scene of comedic interplay between her and egotistical Hollywood action star Johnny Cage, who's a bigger whiney bitch and annoying than Jean Claude Van Damme (his alleged inspiration) ever was. I mean remember that YouTube video of Van Damme accidentally poping a boner on live television? That at least was funny, so he stomps his parody's teeth in as far as I'm concerned.



Fun Hollywood trivia for you, but that Sonya player got that part after the original actress dropped out due to a wrist injury. Cameron Diaz. Yeah she would have absolutely sucked too.

The only good thing in KOMBAT I guess is Christopher Lambert, if out of default because that casting wasn't a complete failure. As lightning god Raiden, he just hams the fuck out of the movie as he chews the scenery to new heights, annoying at times but at least I was sorta engaged with KOMBAT when he was on-screen. His odd foreign accent, giving off an unhuman vibe, worked for HIGHLANDER and for the same goals here. I mean trust me, all things considered with Lambert here, we're lucky that he's here and not in another HIGHLANDER sequel instead.

Alright fuck this movie, let's instead talk about the original classic video game. My favorite character was Cage (he wasn't a pussy in the game), and my favorite fatality that I only pulled off once (by accident) was when I uppercut my buddy off a stone ramp, and onto the pit of spikes. Also, I loved that Cage's special trademark move was the nut punch, which I wanted to do to this movie.

But I can someday to Anderson when I meet him on the street.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/15/09 06:13 AM



URBAN JUSTICE (2007) - ***

Even for a self-admitted action movie junkie like me, I don't bother with Direct-to-DVD pictures. They all usually are extremely low budget affairs, last refuge for washed-up movie stars, that produced by crews that usually lack both the talent and the vision to go beyond their circumstances. Indeed as noted Internet critic and SEAGALOGY author The Outlaw Vern laments, such productions in theory have much more artistic freedom because they cater to a specific niche genre-nerd cult, not to broad audiences like most major studio action movies. Those studios with these quickie pictures could potentially be for 2009 what Roger Corman and American International Pictures were in the 1960s and 1970s, outright but creative exploitation B-cinema.

URBAN JUSTICE has all those painful DTD filmatism limitations, but does have a very clear and concise goal as a simple straight up no-bullshit down and dirty pulp revenge actioneer, the little cheap midget cousin to Brian Helgeland's PAYBACK or John Boorman's POINT BLANK. For fans of Steven Seagal's early sleazy-but-slick fun exploitation filmography like ABOVE THE LAW or HARD TO KILL, this is his return to form. Hell, the only reason I Netflixed JUSTICE is because of Vern's personal high recommendation. That's why he's the best and most unique critical cinema voice on the Internet, for he intellectually admires the action film genre as a legitimate art. I mean the dude wrote a smart and funny if respectful book about Seagal movies!

He must be doing something right.

Anyway, Seagal himself gets JUSTICE right for he's finally not in denial about himself. Some of you may remember him back in the 1990s wearing rather colorfully loud wardrobe and large leather jackets in a pathetic egotistical attempt to hide his cheeseburger gut this side of Oprah. This was most awkwardly glaring in HALF PAST DEAD, his last American theatrical release. In URBAN JUSTICE, he sheds all that nonsense to be what he is: physically over-the-hill, and gaining in age at the same rate as his waistline.

But I really dig that element, for every gangster and corrupt cop in JUSTICE are all wreckless junkyard amateur brawlers. Seagal may have lost a step or two, but using trained-precision and wisdom from experience that only an older warrior would know, for the first time since UNDER SIEGE I actually believed Seagal kicking ass. Holy shit. I also liked that JUSTICE never bothers with explaining exactly what Seagal got all his skills from. Ex-Military? Ex-SEAL? Ex-Mercenary? Ex-Terrorist? Who cares?

All JUSTICE wants you to know is that a cop gets murdered, and daddy Seagal comes to town for the funeral. He's not seen his ex-wife in years, and she welcomes him by making him promise to kill whoever was responsible. Immediately Seagal rents a dump apartment in the heart of ghetto Los Angeles. He then promptly beats up a local hispanic gangbanger to a bloody stump, but Seagal keeps him alive to pass the word: "Tell every motherfucker on the street they're not safe 'till I find the motherfucker who killed my son." He repeats this mission objective many more times, to which I lost count, but at least keeps his word.

Sure that sounds roughly like every other action movie you've seen, but Seagal here is very literal. He doesn't care why his boy was shot, or who ordered it. He just wants the killer, nothing more. He has dealings and alliances with vicious criminals (like Danny Trejo), arguably more evil in what they've inflicted on society as a whole than that one assassin, but he doesn't care. When a civilian friend tries to persuade Seagal to quit this avenging crusade, for he'll be as bad as they are. Seagal's stone cold badass response?

"No, I'm fucking worse."

Certainly you would expect Seagal during this journey to exterminate drug kingpin villain Eddie Griffin. Yes, stand-up comedian Eddie Griffin plays a serious villain, and he's surprisingly solid and even legit menacing at times. My favorite moment of his is when after eliminating a snitch within his operation, he keeps talking and mocking the corpse for being so stupid as to get rubbed out. Who knows, maybe a risk-daring indie filmmaker or someone will give Griffin more such roles to explore his dramatic potential than say UNDERCOVER BROTHER.

But Seagal doesn't kill him, even after Griffin in action cinema baddie tradition was too busy talking to pull the trigger before he's disarmed. Seagal says he's got done the one thing he wanted to accomplish, gives the gun back, and walks away. Griffin doesn't try to shoot him in the back or whatever we usually see in such scripted situations within the genre, but instead he ends up admiring him for being so effortless gangsta. It's such creative touches to well-abused material that I recommend JUSTICE, even if what most action fans demand in their quota of shoot outs and car chases may feel underwhelmed, casualties of no money.

Maybe director Don E. FauntLeRoy's real knack isn't in action cinema per say, for I fell asleep during his finale bang bang sequence. But what kept my attention were more the quiet moments when he and crew know what they exactly wanted, without trying to be cool or cutesy. If anything his minimalistic blunt storytelling narrative somehwat reminds me of Abel Ferrera, for like JUSTICE Ferrera's KING OF NEW YORK relied more on acting and script than stylish direction or editing to tell its story, or in other words get to the goddamn point. Again like Griffin, hopefully FauntLeRoy will get more ample opportunities to flex his possible talent instead of DTD projects like softcore porn and Steven Seagal vehicles.

Though if Seagal's DTD are or can be as good as URBAN JUSTICE, I'll be there.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/15/09 07:38 AM


Righteous Kill (2008) ...Pacino, De Niro... really together this time. Great seeing them actually interact for more than 2 nanoseconds on screen for the first time! But this film really lacked quite a bit besides, in almost every category. If you're on this site, it's a must-see for obvious reasons, but there's nothing special here otherwise. Unfortunately.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/16/09 01:30 PM

Last night i watched BLACK RAIN at work.

Had not seen it in a while. Great film,Michael Douglas at his very best! The brooding menace of Tokyo itself is awesome.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/16/09 03:21 PM

they look incredibly old in the main poster. I will watch the movie and hope it is great but I doubt they'd be better off without this one.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/17/09 08:39 AM

Went to watched Slumdog millionaire last night.. Excellant film about an 18 year old lad from Mumbai who is one question away from winning 20 million ruppes on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire and is accused of cheating as no one ever gets that far on the show. We see how he gets the questions right as each question is relevant to his life in flashbacks..

I think this film won a few goldon globes.. Amazing music..

Slumdog Millionaire.

8/10..
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/20/09 04:35 AM



HEAD OF STATE (2003) - **1/2

The other day, comedian Chris Rock was complaining to CNN of how hard it is to make jokes about President-Elect Barack Obama, a sentiment also shared by writers for THE DAILY SHOW and Conan O'Brien, etc. Apparently unlike our previous Commanders-In-Chief, Obama is a tough pickle to define down to a general public humorous stereotype. You know what I mean, George W. Bush the redneck imbecile, Clinton the fat man-whore, and Bush Sr. the dry long-winded wimp. Now that last one I never got the "wimp" label, for unlike those others, he did actually fight in a war, but whatever. Surely there is someone out there who can write solid gags about good rhetoric or being an egghead or (so far) not embarrased out country?

So within hours of Obama's inauguration as our 44th President, I figured it was opportune time to review a movie that star/writer/director Chris Rock had produced several years ago. Now kids, this was back when the concept of a popular-elected black President was optimistic science fiction, thus the idea itself was the whole fucking joke. HEAD OF STATE wasn't exactly a hit, but will Rock continue to recieve his monthly residual checks for STATE after that whole punchline was muted by Obama's election?

What I do think may stick around for STATE is how eeriely similar Rock's character is to our new President. I mean think about it, Rock is an Alderman in D.C., basically portrayed here as a glorified community activist, which Obama started as in Chicago. Both cities notorious for their corrupt Democratic party-machine politics, but these men seem to have played the game and succeeded without being severly tainted by the process. Both have pivotal connections to Abe Lincoln, with Lincoln a hero of Obama, and Rock making a crack about black janitors working at the Lincoln Memorial having to polish his brass balls. Both guys are unabashed liberals and were initial long-shots because they were unknown quantities, their ethnicity and also they supposedly lacked the "experience" for the Oval Office, yet ultimately prevail over the more veteran white Republican candidate in the debates and election.

The difference though is that Rock only gets his party's Presidential nomination after the candidate and his running mate both die when their planes crash into each other. I think we need more stringent guidelines against pilot drinking, don't you? A nasty white Senator (Bill Arnot) from the party decides the election is a dog, so his scheme is to draft a guaranteed loser (preferably a black), so that next time he'll be both the nominee, and win easily. Arnot has always been fucking great in movies and LAW & ORDER as the sleezy shithead, so here's a shout out to him. You rock (pun!)

Rock as a stand-up, he's always funny while giving accute social commentary, and not afraid to criticize his own people. He shits on bullshit, no matter who or what, and I always welcome his HBO specials. What I've never understood was, why is he such a lame filmmaker? He's got the smarts, but what is with his incapability to write a decent narrative or plot around his comedy? Nevermind the fact that he's a weak director, and STATE is painfully obvious. Hell I think outside of his good political jabs, STATE just isn't funny, unless Tracy Morgan talking on and on about his meat while waiting for reruns of MARTIN is hilarious to you.

I mean, MARTIN?!?! Shit Chris, pick a black sitcom at least that was good.

What also sucked was the annoying running joke of his stalking bitchy ex-girlfriend (Robin Givens) and Rock crying "Security!" Urgh.

Sub-par thematics aside, STATE is at best when Rock rambles about politics. His campaign in the beginning is as safe, non-offensive, and dull as it could be, which reminds me alot of John Kerry. If you remember, Kerry in 2004 was the liberal nominee too, but he was rather afraid to be outright about that little fact. We got so many painful Photo-Ops with Kerry pretending to be a hunter and drinking beer, and speaking always of how you should vote for him because simply he isn't Bush. The GOP successfully painted him as a classic weak-kneed flip-flopping pussy liberal, and with such a piss-poor campaign, Kerry deserved to lose.

In the dumps emotionally and in the polls, Rock gets advice from big brother and running mate Bernie Mac to quit that sillyness, and just be himself.... like Obama did. He also ran against the Bush Years, but agree with him or not, he presented an alternative vision for America, which appealed to war-weary/jobless Americans. Unlike Kerry and Bill Clinton, Obama didn't run away from the liberal label, but rather embraced it. Hell, consider that scene when Rock during the debate basically yells bullshit on his opponent Nick Searchy over the issue of guns, and asking God to bless not just America, but the whole world.

That too brings back that pivotal moment in the 2008 campaign, when John McCain announced to suspend activities to solve the failing economy, including skipping the first debate. I think his party were outright shocked when Obama instead called his bluff, planned to do the debate anyway, and famously quoted as saying: "A President has to do two things at once." Well McCain despite his pledge slinked back to the debate in time. Hey, who's the pussy now?

Now one sequence in STATE I hated when I saw it in theatres was when Rock makes his great come-back this side of Truman by airing cartoonish ads of how the KKK and Osama Bin Laden endorse Searchy. I thought it was rather ridiculous and way too far fetch to be credible, even with the dirty commercials we've gotten before. Then last year, all those viral racist propaganda of how Obama was a socialist Arab Muslim terrorist foreigner (mostly produced in the South), including recently the head of my state's Republican party producing a CD which called him "The Magical Negro." As a Tennessean, I apologize that he humiliated my state with such a stupid public spectacle that it evidently cost him the RNC Chairmanship. Seriously dude, we're still having to live with the fact that the Klan was formed in Pulaski. Don't make it worse for us ok? If we aren't careful, we'll be equal to Alabama or Mississippi soon enough.

How about also Rock and Obama both have white advisors who greatly factored into their victory (David Axelrod for Obama, Dylan Baker for Rock)? Consider too that Rock appears in a TNA wrestling match, while Obama (with Hillary Clinton and McCain) taped a short address for WWE. Obama is an avid basketball fan, and so is Rock. Sharon Stone also sponsored both.

Man, I'm getting scared with all these parallels. Hopefully, in the never-made STATE sequel, Rock didn't appoint bitter rival Arnot to Secretary of State to neutralize him as a possible future threat. Maybe too that Mac is wise to keep his damn mouth shut, or since his death in office he's replaced by little brother Dave Chappelle. I'm Vice-President bitch! Rock's archnemesis in his quest for re-election would be Tina Fey, playing a clueless Governor of a western state who knows more about hunting moose than politics, and maybe her running-mate would be former doctor-turned-southern governor Richard Jenkins, or slick charming douchebag Mormon, played by Donny Osmond.*

But I'll give Rock something over Obama, which is when Rock personally buses his original constituents on election day, which Obama and his $800 million campaign couldn't apparently find the time to do. He'll get another chance in 4 years.

Yes He Will!

*=Apologies to Donny Osmond, for I doubt that he is a douchebag in reality, or at least I hope he isn't. I didn't know any other Mormon actor. Just so you all know, not all Mormons are shitheads like Mitt Romney.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/09 06:10 AM



GET CARTER (2000) - **

In the current issue of MEN'S JOURNAL, current feel-good Hollywood comeback story Mickey Rourke recounts of how at the ebb of his career, he got a thug part in GET CARTER primarily because star Sylvester Stallone believed Rourke could convincingly beat him up. Plus, it was a favor. When the studio offered Rourke only scale wages that insulted him, he balked. His paycheck then doubled, but later on the set he learned that Sly himself put up the extra money to get Rourke. With Rourke possibly going to win the Oscar for THE WRESTLER, he's just signed on to Stallone's all-star action picture THE EXPENDABLES, so I guess he's paying back his debts.

Anyway, Stallone was right for one nice scene, you do buy that Rocky gets his ass handed to him by Rourke. I really liked how they confront each other at a mansion party, both walk off together to an unoccupied room, and proceed to brawl. Earlier, when Rourke smugly asks Sly how pretty he is, Rambo replies: "Yeah, like cat-piss in the snow." Damn, a pity that the rest of the movie aint that good, nowhere near it.

Based off the 1971 British crime classic which I haven't seen, the GET CARTER remake has an ambition in theory that I should dig. That is, parlay itself like a 1970s crime picture would do when hampered by the R-rating standards of that epoch, where you could get a titty and some violence, but no where as excessive or graphic as say SIN CITY can be these days. But many of those simple no-bullshit slick flicks still kickass not from content, but from great acting and great scripting for which those thespians could become utter badass with. Apparently the original GET CARTER with Michael Caine is supposedly such a film.

A fine example for this update is when Sly confronts a rapist drug-dealer at an apartment balcony, who unsurprisingly pleads Stallone not to kill him. "You killed yourself." We cut to Sly leaving the building, and he walks by a car, where the sex offender fell onto.

Yet in spite of good intentions and a nice touch or two, I surprisingly found myself never really giving a serious shit about what was happening in GET CARTER. I mean Stallone, a native of Hell's Kitchen in New York City, is credible as a mob enforcer from the white ghetto. I can't blame Sly for this failure unlike his other turkeys. He certainly seems to be game to play a ruthless bastard thug who in a single-minded quest to find out who murdered his brother. Thus he goes back home to bury his sibling...and his killer.

But something about this movie just doesn't work, nor I ever cared about what was happening. In other words, this is the sort of action set-up and picture I usually eat up for breakfast, and I yet here I am unsatisfied. What is the fatal flaw? I enjoyed Steven Seagal's URBAN JUSTICE, which had a similar premise and similar resolve with a micro-budget compared to CARTER, so what is the difference?

I think what comes to mind immediately is that Sly's character itself in CARTER never early on gets a good opportunity to display undisputed badassry, to make flow the sort of movie that I described above. Sure Stallone beats up people in Las Vegas, but so what? In JUSTICE, Seagal meets his ex-wife at their son's funeral. You expect her to bitch at Seagal for finally coming back or whatever, but instead she only makes him promise to kill whoever was responsible, that's it. Compare that to CARTER, which like most other action pictures with such a premise, the relatives of the dead whine or complain at the avenging protagonist.

See my point? JUSTICE and the CARTER demarcate for one was unique regarding the hero's state of mind, and the other wasn't. Rhona Mitra plays a throwaway mistress/junkie in CARTER. I'm sure she from DOOMSDAY could easily beat up Stallone, not because he's weak in contrast to her DOOMSDAY persona with that robotic-surveillance camera for an eyeball.

Take the sequence when Sly meets millionaire/criminal Alan Cumming at his office. I like that Cumming claims his pornography racket partner Rourke (and threatening blackmailer) killed Sly's brother, but Stallone was keen enough to see through this bullshit, that Cumming only wanted him to conveniently eliminate a problem. Just imagine though, at their skyscraper office, with a giant window overlooking the whole city, Sly could simply say to Cumming: "This looks like a tall building. How long you think it would take a body to hit the sidewalk?" Remember HEAT when DeNiro is sincere about his capabilities with that lucid warning over the phone? Such a simlpe moment which carries heavy weight is what GET CARTER so desperately craves, but never finds.

Then again, I doubt director Stephen T. Kay has that much imagination within him. His career consists basically of this, several episodes of THE SHIELD, and that lousy horror movie BOOGEYMAN. He also co-wrote THE MOD SQUAD, which absolutely sucked. I mean for the most part in CARTER, his filmatic goals are solid but then he pulls an idiotic editing regime at a rave, such so-confusing-I'm-bored nonsense that Tony Scott and Michael Bay are real big fans of.

A website years back voted this as the worst remake ever, and I totally disagree. It's worthless and probably pointless, but I wonder if those ballot casters would change their vote if they saw last year's THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD REMAKE, or any of Michael Bay's horror rapes.

Hopefully, the real GET CARTER kicks as much as people over in the UK claim. As a nod, the CARTER remake casted the original Jack Carter in Michael Caine as a gangster/businessman. I enjoyed him, but wow his final sequence is just so awkward out-of-place with rest of this CARTER, nevermind his big reveleation making absolutely no fucking sense at all. Then I find out that Caine was brought back for more scenes after test audiences liked him.

I guess they were big fans of the genuine GET CARTER, and wished they were seeing that version instead.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/09 06:42 AM


Hey Ebert - I bet you can't write a review w/o a curse in it! Sheesh. You think the Sun Times would ever publish any of your stuff? tongue
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/09 06:51 AM

WALL.E (2008)

6/10

Boring, boring, boring. Can't believe this did and still would sweep the awards with such a sappy inconsistent script. 6 only for the technical aspects of the first half of the movie.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/09 05:10 PM

I disagree completely. I absolutely loved WALL-E. Just curious why you think it was an inconsistent script?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/09 06:08 PM

I have only seen the previews of it. I was thinking of taking my grandkids to see it, BUT I too heard it was boring. ohwell It seems like something that would appeal to young kids though.


TIS
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/09 06:15 PM

I enjoyed Wall-E too.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/09 06:32 PM

Hey, don't pick on RR. wink I like his reviews, potty mouth and all. lol

Nice one on Get Carter RR. You remember it better than I. As a Sly fan, I admit, it's easily forgotten. ohwell Even tho, he did look HOT! wink


TIS
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/09 07:58 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Hey, don't pick on RR. wink I like his reviews, potty mouth and all. lol

I'm just trying to encourage him to write better, and more professionally, assuming that's what he wants to do. It'd take too long to read thru them all and fix his grammar, but the language is Step #1. wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/26/09 01:31 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Hey, don't pick on RR. wink I like his reviews, potty mouth and all. lol

I'm just trying to encourage him to write better, and more professionally, assuming that's what he wants to do. It'd take too long to read thru them all and fix his grammar, but the language is Step #1. wink



Whoa whoa, now you read my "rambling long bore" reviews?

Wow, this year is indeed all about Change. wink
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/26/09 01:43 AM


No no, I never said I read them. They're way too long. tongue wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/26/09 04:09 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

No no, I never said I read them. They're way too long. tongue wink



Then how can you give me good fucking advice?

I mean, Then how can you me good plucking advice?
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/26/09 06:51 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: J Geoff

No no, I never said I read them. They're way too long. tongue wink



Then how can you give me good fucking advice?

I mean, Then how can you me good plucking advice?


Well, for start you could write them shorter, in this day and age attention spans are very short. grin
Posted By: afsaneh77

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/26/09 07:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
I disagree completely. I absolutely loved WALL-E. Just curious why you think it was an inconsistent script?


A huge shuttle with lots of probes plants only one explorer on Earth. It is the first thing WallE has seen in 700 hundred years, or he doesn't know better not to hang around the shuttle or watch out for the bitchy cone! Robots want to hold hands. So lame! Apparently in 700 hundred years they've developed feelings, but not speech. All they can do in that department is to call each other's names with very bad voices. Sex is obsolete, yet there are fat babies and not clones. And a plant's seed somehow ends up under an old box(?) and then grows there without any light. And again somehow it survives being in vacuum without being ripped apart for a significantly long time.

Don't even start me on the single brain cell moral of the story.

All in all, icing on a shoe box.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/26/09 07:09 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Then how can you give me good fucking advice?

I mean, Then how can you me good plucking advice?


I know this will be like reading a foreign language to you, but how about:

Quote:
Then how can you give me good advice?


See how easy that is? tongue

If you want to sound intelligent, then use intelligent words. And I don't mean more 16-letter words, but fewer 4-letter words. It's one thing if you're writing dialog in a novel. It's another if you want to be taken seriously in syndication. wink


Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Then how can you give me good fucking advice?


P.S. If you're looking for good advice on fucking, that's another matter. tongue grin

Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/26/09 06:43 PM

Watched WE OWN THE NIGHT at the week-end.

It was pretty good. A grim and gritty crime caper. Right up my street.

P.S. Ronnie,the original GET CARTER was filmed in my home town,Newcastle, so it a particular fave of mine. I liked the remake as well though!
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/27/09 09:46 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Hey, don't pick on RR. wink I like his reviews, potty mouth and all. lol

I'm just trying to encourage him to write better, and more professionally, assuming that's what he wants to do. It'd take too long to read thru them all and fix his grammar, but the language is Step #1. wink



Fuck that noise, fix the grammar but keep the style.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/28/09 02:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Watched WE OWN THE NIGHT at the week-end.

It was pretty good. A grim and gritty crime caper. Right up my street.

P.S. Ronnie,the original GET CARTER was filmed in my home town,Newcastle, so it a particular fave of mine. I liked the remake as well though!


I remember seeing previews of that before it came out. It looked pretty good, but if I recall wasn't on the theater for very long. ohwell


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/29/09 04:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Hey, don't pick on RR. wink I like his reviews, potty mouth and all. lol

I'm just trying to encourage him to write better, and more professionally, assuming that's what he wants to do. It'd take too long to read thru them all and fix his grammar, but the language is Step #1. wink



Fuck that noise, fix the grammar but keep the style.


I usually don't bother with grammar clean-up because I usually think of BB.Net and FCM as like your local friendly bar. You bring your shit, but necessarily get dressed up seriously for the occassion.

Also, thanks for that constructive advice. I appreciate such, negative and positive, when people actually read my reviews. tongue
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/29/09 05:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Watched WE OWN THE NIGHT at the week-end.

It was pretty good. A grim and gritty crime caper. Right up my street.

P.S. Ronnie,the original GET CARTER was filmed in my home town,Newcastle, so it a particular fave of mine. I liked the remake as well though!


Yeah, WE OWN THE NIGHT was a pretty good trashy street crime melodrama. I don't get the hate at it, I really don't.

Man, I'm more and more intrigued to just Netflix the original GET CARTER. It sounds like the real deal.

Also, you live where Michael Caine shot a movie at? Wow.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/29/09 05:04 AM

As a semi-professional movie critic, watching the original of a movie you review makes a lot of sense.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/29/09 02:58 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Watched WE OWN THE NIGHT at the week-end.

It was pretty good. A grim and gritty crime caper. Right up my street.

P.S. Ronnie,the original GET CARTER was filmed in my home town,Newcastle, so it a particular fave of mine. I liked the remake as well though!


Yeah, WE OWN THE NIGHT was a pretty good trashy street crime melodrama. I don't get the hate at it, I really don't.

Man, I'm more and more intrigued to just Netflix the original GET CARTER. It sounds like the real deal.

Also, you live where Michael Caine shot a movie at? Wow.


One of my only claims to fame Ronnie..... smile

It was the 70's and most of the landmarks and bars are gone now but it is still Newcastle in all it's grim glory!
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/29/09 09:26 PM

just watched "Jackie Brown", which was the last Tarantino flick that I still had to watch. I believe QT himself said that this is a "smaller" work than "Pulp Fiction", but the hype must've been so huge at that time that "Jackie Brown" couldn't keep up with half of it. my opinion is that it's only 1/4 of an hour too long. okay, half an hour. but that's what I think of 2/3 of the movies I see that run longer than 120 minutes. the acting and the characters and of course the dialogues are all great and I don't have no problems with slow-paced movies, so I have to say I liked it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 03:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
As a semi-professional movie critic, watching the original of a movie you review makes a lot of sense.


Sure, and yet doesn't it give the remake a honest chance without bias? Not that the GET CARTER remake took advantage of this....

Anyway, I'll Netflix the original.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 04:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Tony Mosrite
just watched "Jackie Brown", which was the last Tarantino flick that I still had to watch. I believe QT himself said that this is a "smaller" work than "Pulp Fiction", but the hype must've been so huge at that time that "Jackie Brown" couldn't keep up with half of it. my opinion is that it's only 1/4 of an hour too long. okay, half an hour. but that's what I think of 2/3 of the movies I see that run longer than 120 minutes. the acting and the characters and of course the dialogues are all great and I don't have no problems with slow-paced movies, so I have to say I liked it.


I think this was his only movie he didn't write. It's based on an Elmore Leonard book, who was writing Tarantino style books decades before Tarantino was around.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 06:17 AM

Well, I got my new review ready Geoff, but I fear the rambling and cursing remains. You mind calling in an exorcist for me?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 06:39 AM


If you think cursing makes you sound more intelligent, then go for it. Cuz God knows all the public swears that Einstein, Hawkings, and Lennon have used in their lives were quite substantial... so I wouldn't expect anything different from you. lol tongue wink

Rambling is fine, though... I'm very guilty of that myself, so that means it's okay. whistle
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 06:44 AM


Just quickly, though... I saw SAW V the other night. I LOVED the first one, and continue to like the franchise and all in general (because I like the genre)... but is it me, or, are they not exponentially stepping-up the traps to make things more exciting like they should? Sure, each episode had one or two great new traps, but to me, I think at this point, they should be so ridiculously more clever, to prevent any yawning in the seats. I feel the franchise has declined (in general) down the line -- BUT -- I still think they're better than many others. But they need to step it up a few notches I think. Show some fucking GORE for once, maybe??
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 07:52 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

If you think cursing makes you sound more intelligent, then go for it. Cuz God knows all the public swears that Einstein, Hawkings, and Lennon have used in their lives were quite substantial... so I wouldn't expect anything different from you. lol tongue wink

Rambling is fine, though... I'm very guilty of that myself, so that means it's okay. whistle



It's cussing, not cursing! tongue
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 07:55 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Just quickly, though... I saw SAW V the other night. I LOVED the first one, and continue to like the franchise and all in general (because I like the genre)... but is it me, or, are they not exponentially stepping-up the traps to make things more exciting like they should? Sure, each episode had one or two great new traps, but to me, I think at this point, they should be so ridiculously more clever, to prevent any yawning in the seats. I feel the franchise has declined (in general) down the line -- BUT -- I still think they're better than many others. But they need to step it up a few notches I think. Show some fucking GORE for once, maybe??


Now now, cursing doesn't make you sound intelligent. tongue

Here is my question to you about those SAW sequels...haven't they basically stretched out the continuity like bubblegum, and snap by now?

Just reading those summaries from wikipedia, what with 3/4/5 all occuring at around the same time...I have a headache from trying to figure it all out.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 09:54 AM


Well, it seems each episode I'm wondering yet again, "Jigsaw is still alive?? How??!" ...and V was no different. But with this series, I don't give a ....gosh-darn!... it's what it is, just bring on the nail-biting, skin-stretching, eye-plucking GORE already!! ...and be more clever than you were in the previous installment!




Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 11:15 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Well, it seems each episode I'm wondering yet again, "Jigsaw is still alive?? How??!" ...and V was no different. But with this series, I don't give a ....gosh-darn!... it's what it is, just bring on the nail-biting, skin-stretching, eye-plucking GORE already!! ...and be more clever than you were in the previous installment!






I concur, but as you said, I still enjoy the franchise. I love knowing that around Halloween time every year they'll be a new one out.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Well, it seems each episode I'm wondering yet again, "Jigsaw is still alive?? How??!" ...and V was no different. But with this series, I don't give a ....gosh-darn!... it's what it is, just bring on the nail-biting, skin-stretching, eye-plucking GORE already!! ...and be more clever than you were in the previous installment!






Cool.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 04:43 PM



THE TERMINATOR (1984) - ****1/2



"I'll be back."

Does anyone else remember that tabloid rumor years ago that O.J. Simpson was being paid over a million bucks to play the psychopathic killer in an European slasher film? No idea if that project ever came to pass, but I think it's hilarious that he was a candidate to play the title villain in THE TERMINATOR but the filmmakers rejected him because they felt nobody would take him seriously as a murderer.

People have written about how the popular sci-fi/action THE TERMINATOR is actually in fact a well-made slasher thriller, and in retrospect they have a point. You have this freakish killer (cyborg) that is masked (by Gargoyle sunglasses) and stalks several victims (who all share the same name) and his death reaper presence is always felt, even when not on screen. He notches up a solid body count, including two pretty people after they had sex, a genre red alert that you're so gonna brutally die. Also, he is finally defeated only by the last would-be victim (Linda Hamilton) screaming off her head, who overpowers and limps away alive...only to collide with a twist ending.

So if we are to use such argumentation, then James Cameron's THE TERMINATOR is indeed the greatest slasher movie ever produced....ever Yes, even better than John Carpenter's HALLOWEEN and Tobe Hopper's TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE. Sorry, but it's true, damn true! In fact, those folks usually forget that TERMINATOR shares another slasher trademark, which is being sometimes being forced to be very creative and uniquely epic in spite of its low budget limitations, i.e. Sam Raimi's THE EVIL DEAD.

Thus if writer/director Cameron has moved on to bigger budgets with better FX, TERMINATOR is still his filmatic peak precisely because of that down-to-Earth scale with gritty intensity that meshes very well with his renown myriad of exciting action cinema and solid storytelling. Cameron-wannabe losers like Michael Bay and Paul W.S. Anderson have tried and failed in replication with much studio dime and time, but just watch this sequence at the nightclub. As as I similarly described for THE ABYSS, you get such well-cut and directed suspense and tension, with appropriate acting which culminates in some good ole bang bang:



Yeah, that's good shit surprised the hell out of everyone back in 1984. I mean from the poster and trailer, those critics were expecting a nasty B-actioneer starring that Austrian Oak from CONAN THE BARBARIAN, and instead they get not just the best goddamn action movie of the year, but this cheapo was superior to that Steven Spielberg's much-hyped and much-funded INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM. Hell, TERMINATOR even made the Time Top Ten list that year. Yes, those snobs thought a picture about a killer robot from the future was as good as any Oscar bait or arthouse fare to come out in 1984. Suck it AMADEUS! Too bad the Academy Awards' prejudice against action cinema was as strong back then as it is now, so basically TERMINATOR was of sorts the THE DARK KNIGHT for that year.

Now if the Oscars weren't such bigots, I would think Arnold Schwarzenegger deserves an Oscar nomination. If CONAN made Arnold a star, TERMINATOR turned him into a global superstar. The part has only 16 lines, and scripted as simply: "It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!" Sure, a giant bodybuilder with a German tongue sounds far from a perfect infiltrating assassin, but Arnold forces you to forget such logic.

What I think attracted him to that character was that he's playing the ultimate unstoppable masculine fantasy: He easily crushes bones, smashes stuff, tosses people like a newspaper, and withstand the gunfire assualt of an army. Consider too that how chiseled the cyborg bodies are, in contrast with the weaker, diseased, and flabbier humans, like poor Michael Biehn. Sure he's a tough little bastard, but being shell shocked, he's only an annoying obstacle for Mr. Terminator, the idealic predator with probing eyes like that of a shark. Guinness Book of World Records once described Arnold as the "most perfectly developed man in history," which means then that Skynet produces human flesh better than the real thing.

Think about it.

But Arnold's sheer incredible physical intensity ushers that role to a whole other level of iconic heights of awesomeness which neither Simpson or anyone else could have pulled. He's the ultimate hero in CONAN, but those gargoyle sunglasses and punk leather jacket, surrounded by composer Brad Fiedel's trademark dum dum dum music, he's not just the ultimate villain in THE TERMINATOR, he's an utter badass. I mean take the most famous scene in all of Arnold's filmography, with how he delivers what inadvertedly became his signature line. Somehow, such a simple shot becomes the most badass moment of all 1980s action cinema, beating out Indiana Jones' creative way to end a sword fight in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK and "Yippee ki yay, motherfucker!" from DIE HARD.

How did he and Cameron pull that off?



Little admiring touches by Cameron still impress me, like during the police station shoot-out a bullet passes right through Arnold and cracks the glass behind him, but Arnold doesn't flinch at all. Nice. Also Cameron's use of Biehn's dreams about literally his past future life. Most movie dreams try to trick you, but no Cameron knows you're wiser than that. Later with that other flashback to the future, with small money, old school FX and miniatures from the late Stan Winston and Fantasy II effects, industrial resourcing, and economical storytelling, Cameron excellently unveils that possible reality where humanity is on the brink of extinction.

Comparing with 1984 Los Angeles, he puts into perspective what is at stake and what will be lost, and that Biehn only fighting to conserve what little is left for them, so Cameron probably ripped off not only Harlan Ellison, but also LA JETEE. Biehn's best moment though is when he's interrogated endlessly by the cops, and he finally loses his shit. Still, Biehn's moral conundrum does get him some pity sex from Linda Hamilton and her Mullet hair. So maybe being a whiney bitch at times does indeed save the future, one unplanned pregnancy at a time.

I would love to give TERMINATOR the masterpiece mantle, for shit it almost deserves it, but two things that Cameron did always bugged me. For one, that opening text prologue in 2029 A.D. Was that really necessary? Imagine if the film opened with naked Arnold and ass-cheeks arriving in L.A., and from there the movie is patient in explaining itself. Plus, I assume most folks who want to watch TERMINATOR would assuredly know roughly about the premise, right? Second, there is such a major plot hole when after a car chase, Arnold crashes but after the police arrive on the scene, he vanishes.

We've established that those puny cops never would have had a chance of stopping Arnold from doing his quest and exterminating Hamilton, right? So why does Arnold flee? Then again, I guess the dude wants to finish the job while looking cool with that Reagan Decade eyeware. See, it's such little mistakes why you Terminators always fail when you go back in time. When will you all ever learn your lesson you goofy bots?

Anyway, Biehn is a solid if outmatched hero, with enough emotions to be beneficial without being Emo-annoying. For what is usually the thankless role as the woman in an actioneer, Hamilton breaks out of that tradition with earnest seriousness due to strong and surprisingly smart drama material from Cameron. She's a lousy waitress who can't balance her checkbook, can't keep a date, and oh yeah her awful hair. In short, the most insignificant woman alive in 1984, but ends up as the upmost critical within our history, a contemporary Eve. Sorry Virgin Mary, but last I checked, you don't have murdering Terminators chasing after you in biblical Bethlehem.

I guess we have to remember that like those two people struggling to survive against that monster, Cameron had great difficulties to get TERMINATOR produced. He was previously an art designer and FX director for B-film producer Roger Corman. His only pre-TERMINATOR directing gig was PIRAHNA II: THE SPAWNING, which he only got after the original director was fired, and Cameron was himself later axed. Living on his friend's couch, he conceived and wrote the TERMINATOR script, and many major studios wanted to produce it. The problem was, Cameron would only sell the screenplay if he got to direct (much like Sylvester Stallone did years earlier with ROCKY), and that was a deal-breaker for most of Hollywood. Orion Pictures agreed though, but TERMINATOR got delayed for 9 months because Arnold was stuck doing his CONAN sequel, and meanwhile Hamilton broke her ankle.

Then his producers tried their very best to chop up the entire 3rd act, and end the picture after the truck explosion. Cameron won that battle, but lost the war with the studio marketing department who refused to seriously back and capitalize upon TERMINATOR being a major sleeper hit in theatres. But he persevered through all that and created a franchise of three sequels and a television series. The $200 million summer blockbuster SALVATION (starring Batman) set for release this summer, on the 25th anniversary of TERMINATOR's release, which is ironic since Cameron's picture cost only $6 million, which was small potatoes even back then.

TERMINATOR was and still is a great and fully satisfying genre classic in spite of its B-production values which appealed to guys with action, and romance for the gals. Now friggin McG is at the helm. Oh where is the T-800 to look through a phone book for us?
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 09:13 PM

Great Review Ronnie..

Love the Terminator films even though 3 should never have been made and I hear there making a fourth.. panic

Terminator -7/10
Terminator 2 8/10
Terminator 3 5/10
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 09:56 PM

I finally watched American Gangster. I found the movie to be half and half. Denzel Washington turned in a great performance but the movie tended to drag at times. Nicholas Pileggi who wrote Wiseguy[Goodfellas] was behind the production.


Ransom with Mel Gibson is a great movie. Gary Sinese steals the show as the bad cop who takes part in the kidnapping.

Payback Straight up the directors cut is also another great IMHO. Gibson comes through again as the bad guy this time. It was also nice to see the late James Coburn. The older actors will be truly missed in years to come.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/09 10:14 PM

Terminator and Terminator 2 are wonderful films. One of the few complaints I have is that I want to shake young John in T2 and tell him to get the freaking hair out of his eyes. And who can decide who has the better body in the sequel - Arnold or Linda?

The one thing I never did buy is how in love John's parents were supposed to be ("We loved enough for a lifetime."). I did love how Cameron ties so many neat little bows, though ("I always wondered what you were thinking about when that picture was taken.").
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/09 12:08 AM

"American Gangster" is great. it's long, yes, but that's the only way it could be. after all, it's the Black Godfather we're talking about. its darker tone worked very well for me and the characters are both very interesting (Frank Lucas and Richie Roberts) as well as the story itself. I watched the commentary track with Ridley Scott and he seems to know what he was talking about. overall I believe it's a very underrated movie that doesn't get any love because it don't bring what some people want to see. there's not much action or very likeable characters but if you focus on the great story that's being told, there's nothing wrong with it.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/09 02:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Tony Mosrite
"American Gangster" is great. it's long, yes, but that's the only way it could be. after all, it's the Black Godfather we're talking about. its darker tone worked very well for me and the characters are both very interesting (Frank Lucas and Richie Roberts) as well as the story itself. I watched the commentary track with Ridley Scott and he seems to know what he was talking about. overall I believe it's a very underrated movie that doesn't get any love because it don't bring what some people want to see. there's not much action or very likeable characters but if you focus on the great story that's being told, there's nothing wrong with it.


The only reason I was disappointed in AG is because it was just like a million other gangster movies out there. There wasn't much new other than maybe the gangsters being black.

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble


I think this was his only movie he didn't write. It's based on an Elmore Leonard book, who was writing Tarantino style books decades before Tarantino was around.


Tarantino style books? I need to check this guy out. Anything in particular?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/09 03:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano


Payback Straight up the directors cut is also another great IMHO. Gibson comes through again as the bad guy this time. It was also nice to see the late James Coburn. The older actors will be truly missed in years to come.


Yes!

The director's Cut of PAYBACK, without the smartass "hipness" that affected way too many 1990s movies, is a brutal unforgiving and unashamed action pulp...and absolutely enjoyable.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/09 03:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Longneck

Tarantino style books? I need to check this guy out. Anything in particular?


No offense, but that's kinda putting Elmore Leonard down. He's a better and more talented writer than QT, and I'm sure QT would agree.

Leonard is unique, of which I can't simply describe him to someone else to which you could understand why he's a legend.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/09 03:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Terminator and Terminator 2 are wonderful films. One of the few complaints I have is that I want to shake young John in T2 and tell him to get the freaking hair out of his eyes. And who can decide who has the better body in the sequel - Arnold or Linda?


Linda. How many buff female action heroes do we get anyway? Also, I doubt she used steroids like Arnold use to.

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe


The one thing I never did buy is how in love John's parents were supposed to be ("We loved enough for a lifetime.")


Yeah I don't either, though I think that fateful intercourse was more a reaction to the physical or emotional drain after Biehn has been alot of crazy shit and he's a wreck. Hamilton loses her whole world as she knew it, and they both can basically only rely on each other to survive that cyborg monster.

Not love necessarily as we usually consider it, but in T2, dead Biehn becomes for Hamilton more a symbol of what she's lost...and gained...because of Arnold.

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I did love how Cameron ties so many neat little bows, though ("I always wondered what you were thinking about when that picture was taken.").


So many filmmakers have tried the paradox, and most fail because they either tip it too early or because after TERMINATOR, we usually guess it, or maybe simply that Cameron was slick in making you be invested in the chasing and storytelling, you never get a chance to add 1 and 1 together. That or we listen to those clues, and we take them literally.

I don't know.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/09 03:55 AM

To be honest I am not a big Arnold fan. I have not seen either Terminator. ohwell I saw the one with Jamie Lee Curtis (forgot the name) and another film I did like with Arnold was "End Of Days".



TIS
Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/09 05:32 AM

I just watched "Gummo" anyone else seen it
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/09 06:09 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
To be honest I am not a big Arnold fan. I have not seen either Terminator. ohwell I saw the one with Jamie Lee Curtis (forgot the name) and another film I did like with Arnold was "End Of Days".



TIS


TRUE LIES?

Which btw was also directed by James Cameron.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/09 01:55 PM

OMG!! I LOVE "True Lies"!! And the Arnold that steals the movie is Tom Arnold. He is just too funny as Ah-nuld's slimy partner. And I thought that Jamie Lee and Arnold had very, very good chemistry. She also looked fabulous. Her whole "dance sequence" in the hotel room made quite an impact on me when I saw it, mostly because I was 8 1/2 months pregnant when I saw it, and not feeling particularly pretty. lol

The dialogue is funny, the actors interact well, the action scenes are wonderfully over-the-top, and yet you can almost believe the premise of the PTA parents next door being spies.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/09 04:36 PM

Originally Posted By: whisper
I just watched "Gummo" anyone else seen it
Did you like it? I love it. Julien Donkey-Boy's excellent, too.

Wasn't keen on Mister Lonely.
Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/09 08:08 PM

I liked it but damn it's on some weird shit. Was it movie or a doco???
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/01/09 07:39 PM





SHOWDOWN IN LITTLE TOKYO (1991) - ***1/2

I gotta commend fellow AwardsDaily member Citizen Darko for recommending this movie, for despite my heralded taste and lambasted tolerance for action cinema, I've been rather hesitant about this particular one for years if only because I've never liked Dolph Lundgren, and I've got a lengthy Netflix backlog of trash action. But now I'm glad that Darko convinced me for SHOWDOWN IN LITTLE TOKYO is a ridiculous cheesy B-actioneer that executes every single possible genre cliche in the book, yet its immensely fun because its never in self-denial about it's lot in life, unlike many other creatively bankrupt studio releases like THE GLIMMER MAN. Instead, SHOWDOWN is an unashamed cartoonish martial arts/cop shlock that goes outlandishly absurd in all it's glory in under 80 minutes.

I mean you have a movie which politely demands you to accept without hesitation the Swedish Lundgren having been raised within the Bushido lifestyle in Japan, and then later somehow found his way to become a cop in Los Angeles and amazingly while there he feuds with a Yakuza mobster (Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa), the same one who murdered Lundgren's parents decades ago. Lundgren also has to team up with his new by-the-book Japanese-American partner (Brandon Lee) who knows absolute jack about his ancestoral home, while Lundgren is an expert. SHOWDOWN was also helmed by Mark L. Lester, who directed the over-the-top Reagan Decade exploitation-extravaganzas CLASS OF 1984 and COMMANDO. Also, look at the title. This obviously never played at your local art theatre.

Oh hell, just watch this clip:



Yes, the Dolph jumpkicks over a cadillac racing at him, but the best moment was the head thug just dismissing this gross violation of the Gravity Laws. That's funny. Now I must admit, I don't think I could handle weekly stuffings like SHOWDOWN, and I'm definately not recommending this to a general audience. If you can't handle that sorta thing, then don't bother with SHOWDOWN. No, I'm pimping this for all you action nerds out there who like me at times want a nice if brief change from your viewing-routine of action cinema, which is a goofy fine (and thankfully painless short running) time at home with greasy pizza and cheap beer inbetween James Bond and Jason Bourne and John McClane and Dirty Harry all their endless bastard clones. Plus you get Sumo-wrestling topless women, which my local strip club needs to implement immediately.

Anyway, what did surprise me with SHOWDOWN was how Dolph wasn't the dullard hero that I had expected. I guess I only remembered him from ROCKY IV. Dolph is efficiently engaging and slick enough for what his rogue cop badass shtick needs. I especially enjoyed that scene when confronting some gangsters trying to extort a restaurant, he calmly tosses them around with ease with one hand, while holding his cup of sake in the other.



Also astonishing, Lee is a good smartass with enough toxic touch to be a real jerk, yet enough bravado-charm that you end up liking him in spite of being an asshole. He also delivers this classic cool-but-awkward scene:



WHAT THE HELL?!? I mean I always knew 1980s-action movies had a nasty reputation for homoeroticism, but...wow. I'm stunned, I really am. Bruce Lee's kid comfortably complementing Lundgren's rather sizeable, umm.....endowment. At least the late Mr. Lee Jr. does Dolph a great reason why they should win: "After we're done, we're gonna eat raw fish off naked chicks!" Too bad Tia Carrere had a body double for her nude shots, so no sushi off her. Tsk.

I also dig that unlike most such fare, both heroes know and display some solid martial arts moves, and never get the obligatory ranting-dress down by their precinct superior. Thank God. We also get some more pure cheeky-ludicrous when to prevent witness Tia Carrere from committing seppuku suicide, Dolph suddenly storms the Malibu beach house to save her from endless henchmen, and killing one of them by grabbing thru a door without the hinges coming off. Awesome. Just about as nutty outrageous is when an Yakuza gangster alone in an interrogation room swiftly breaks his own neck so he won't snitch on his boss.

Speaking of him, Tagawa is a crazy sadistic mother here. He seduces a junkie gal, and while video taping this, he decapitates her. Then later while raping her best friend, he plays that footage on the television. God damn dude Where's Viagra when you need it? Tagawa though is classic-great when he demands one of his thugs to ritually chop a finger off, penalty for failing to exterminate Mr. Lundgren. The poor guy does so after much hesitation and pain, and Tagawa sneers: "That's all?" What an asshole.

But this does lead to an action climax that's....explosive to say the least. We definately need more movies with utter-redundant deaths where villains get run-through with a katana blade, shot put by the hero over to a wheel strapped with fireworks which detonate, which cooks the dude extra crispy, and afterwards the heroes crack jokes about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8-RsoEGicc&feature=related

So for a movie where Ivan Drago and The Crow chop suey Shang Tsung to save the chick from WAYNE'S WORLD, this probably is about as good as it gets.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/09 06:11 AM

Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Went to watched Slumdog millionaire last night.. Excellant film about an 18 year old lad from Mumbai who is one question away from winning 20 million ruppes on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire and is accused of cheating as no one ever gets that far on the show. We see how he gets the questions right as each question is relevant to his life in flashbacks..

I think this film won a few goldon globes.. Amazing music..

Slumdog Millionaire.

8/10..


I gotta admit, I had dismissed SLUMDOG beforehand because it seemed like the sort of feel-good tripe celebrated simply because of a well-timed release considering the global situation.

But having seen it, I quite liked it too.

Boyle still owes me money for THE BEACH though.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/09 07:21 AM


Jeez. You like curse words in reviews? Then Hollywood can go fuck itself!

Fuck You Very Much, Hollywood, for wasting too many minutes of my life on the totally uninspired remake (since you can't think of anything original any more) The Omen (2006). Simply.... WHY?? What was wrong with the original? Nothing. How did you improve upon it? Oh, you didn't. You somehow made it BORING, you pieces of\\\\\\\\ all right now. You get the gist. :|
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/09 01:24 PM

Geoff,

You really hated the Omen remake that much? confused I saw it when it was released. Although, without a doubt, the originalmovie and cast is much better, I thought it was a "decent" remake. The storyline remained pretty much the same, the acting was good. Hmm I think the original Damien was scarier than this one. Of course they didn't have to make a re-make and don't know why they did, but I thought it was one of the better remakes I've seen. Then again, what do I know? ohwell




TIS
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/09 04:23 PM


For the reasons mentioned by both of us, I just thought it was a waste of time/money/effort on their -- and our -- part... What next, a remake of Caddyshack? ohwell Speaking of which, did Howard Stern ever do his Porky's remake? rolleyes
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/09 04:52 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Jeez. You like curse words in reviews? Then Hollywood can go fuck itself!

Fuck You Very Much, Hollywood, for wasting too many minutes of my life on the totally uninspired remake (since you can't think of anything original any more) The Omen (2006). Simply.... WHY?? What was wrong with the original? Nothing. How did you improve upon it? Oh, you didn't. You somehow made it BORING, you pieces of\\\\\\\\ all right now. You get the gist. :|




Attaboy that's the spirit!

Dude, you should realize that with all this rash of Hollywood horror remakes...nobody involves gives a shit.

And why should they? Bother to give a care or not, they make a profit regardless. Hell remember that dispised Rob Zombie HALLOWEEN remake? Still hit post $50 million in America. A notorious criminal too is producer Michael Bay.

Hell, the original FRIDAY THE 13TH (without hockey-mask Jason actually in it, nor was he the murderer) I found to be surprisingly a solid slick thriller with a great jump-scare ending.

The remake will find a way to be even more mindless and stupid than even the most mindless and stupid of the previous FRIDAY sequels. Then again, people watched them to see the creative gruesome ways that Mr. Voorhees dealt with the kids.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/03/09 02:00 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

For the reasons mentioned by both of us, I just thought it was a waste of time/money/effort on their -- and our -- part... What next, a remake of Caddyshack? ohwell Speaking of which, did Howard Stern ever do his Porky's remake? rolleyes



Don't know about CADDYSHACK but I have heard that they plan on remaking BACK TO SCHOOL with Cedric the Entertainer
Posted By: dontommasino

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/04/09 02:32 AM

I just watched The Big Boss, which is one of Bruce Lee's early movies and it was by far one of the cheesiest movies I have ever seen. Some notable moments include:

* Bruce Lee has been made the foreman of an ice factory (yes an ice factory) so he and his cousins do this funny dance as they return home. It was almost out of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.

* Incest central as he likes his cousin. But, hey we are all familiar with that plotline in films we like (or in the case of most of us hate with a passion).

* Bruce Lee is fighting some bad guys. Gets one of them lined up against the wooden wall of a barn or something and chops him through the wall. But, instead of the wood falling apart in a million different directions, no the guy who falls through the wall makes a clean symmetrical shape of himself like a snow angel.
Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/04/09 02:39 AM

Just watched a prison movie called "Felon".

Starring Val Kilmer and Stephen Dorf.

It was actually quite enjoyable.......to not be in there with them!!!
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/04/09 03:03 PM

I watched this aso awhile ago and enjoyed it as well..
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/04/09 09:47 PM



SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE (2008) - ***1/2

"It is Written."

After my screening ended, the audience applauded. When was the last time you been to the movies and your rather large crowd honestly clapped, as if they thought the film deserved it?

I had great bad vibes about SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE, especially after KNIGHT got shut out of most major Oscar nominations. What must be the appeal with SLUMDOG? There were so many conspiracy theories out there on the Interet, in trying to compare with previous winning scenarios. Were Academy voters wanting to feel good about themselves by celebrating a picture making an issue out of foreign poverty (like CRASH with racism?) Did some silly folks confuse run-of-the-mill foreign storytelling with exotic quality because they lacked an adequete frame of cinema context from that nation? (CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON?) Plus, me and director Danny Boyle haven't been on the best of terms, whatever its his silly pointless attempt to arty legitimize the Romero zombie movies (they already were) with 28 DAYS LATER or his infamous THE BEACH fiasco.

Now I understand why SLUMDOG is favored to win the Oscar, for it's now like ROCKY was back in 1976. That particular rich year gave us reel classics like Martin Scorsese's TAXI DRIVER, Sidney Lumet's NETWORK, and Alan Pakula's ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN. I still think any of them should have won Best Picture, and yet I've never really had a serious problem with the ROCKY victory because it was an earnest feel-good drama. Alot of us movie buffs are just so used to despising hollow "uplifting" packages, usually because they simply don't deserve that artificial happy ending, but when we get genuine honest pictures that do earn that finale, like ROCKY or THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, my heart is there.

The cynic in me before SLUMDOG would have sneered that with the awful economy, several wars and endless hostilities, people may have been geared up for such a well-timed Charles Dickens story. I still keep that opinion, but why was the Obama Inauguration from weeks ago such an unprecedented national party, even in parts of America that voted against him? Because it was an ardent opportunity for which we could celebrate ourselves, whatever as Americans or not.

Several Indian friends of mine have derided SLUMDOG as a dime-a-dozen story often told in Bollywood, and only honored it because a British director was involved, and also we goofy westerners have never previously really taken seriously Indian cinema, and they do have a point because we don't hold them on the same level as we might with European or Japanese works. Plus, how many of you have seen the works of say Satyajit Ray? I haven't. We simply dismiss Indian pictures with the popular Bollywood stereotype, that they all are a lightweight, all-dancing musical gay time at the movies. Thankfully, no such sequences occur in SLUMDOG until the credits. Sooner and I probably would have thrown my shoe at the screen, for it definately would have been absolutely inappropriate within the narrative.

I guess I'm then woefully ignorant about Indian movies, which I apologize because I quite liked SLUMDOG. Yes it holds no surprises at all, but with only a particular number of stories always told in cinema (what, 23 or 24?), I say that if a picture hits all the right formula moments, it'll always succeed every mother fucking time. SLUMDOG seem to be successful with my audience at least, who were gripped with the high and lows, and cheered after the all-or-nothing climax.

Hell, a Dickens-esque tale is probably more appropriate for modern India, for that country is much more social class-concious than Victorian England ever was. But like that epoch, contemporary India and their billion people are on the surface becoming a global cultural (Bollywood), financial (corporatized urban centres), and military superpower (they have nuclear weapons), which SLUMDOG conflicts nicely in great contrast with the impoverished and overfilled street nation where social justice is denied and which is quite frankly ignored by the upper-classes who are too busy watching game shows and football or driving BMWs. Amazing how as a nation, they have such great (well-deserved) hatred at the British for what those imperialists did to their country, yet their well-off seem as snobbish, elitist, and "cultured" as the Limeys.

A good scene is when the middle-class cop mocks the hero (Dev Patel) for being clueless about such an obvious question about the country's flag and not recognizing Gandhi, then which the kid quizes the policeman about the local "ground," which he is glaringly ignorant about. My favorite shot though is when his older gangster brother who before a fateful confrontation, fills his bathtub full of money which he then jumps into, as if that's what he felt his life always revolved around. That's something you would have expected in SCARFACE, no?

So like a Dickens urban melodrama, the kid is born into dire straits and suffers tragedies but with wits, luck, and keeping his essence of goodness, he ultimately triumphs after a lengthy epic journal where has has adventures in confronting utterly good and utterly bad characters, and maybe even an acquitance of his who has a change of heart to do the right thing at the right time. What I dug though was when as a boy, the hero is locked in the latrines as his favorite Bollywood movie star is nearby. The kid is determined at all costs to get that all-important scribble from his hero, so Like Tim Robbins in SHAWSHANK, he crawls through shit. I mean it's blunt sublety, but it's a nice quick visual summation of SLUMDOG that this guy will always persevere no matter the odds against him as he chases throughout his life for this one girl.

Now one misconception I had heading into SLUMDOG was that the guy got onto the Indian version of WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE? because he cheated, but more like he used basic logic and certain questions tied coincidentally into previous episodes of his which aide him. Folks, Dickens was never called realistic for a reason. I doubt he would have done so well on THE PRICE IS RIGHT, with their fictional and unrealistic suggested retail pricings for cars, dish washers, and Hawaiian vacations. He definately would have bombed on JEOPARDY! though, but maybe win WHEEL OF FORTUNE.

Is SLUMDOG as technically well-shot and made as David Fincher's BENJAMIN BUTTON? No. Is it as well-round packaged overall as THE DARK KNIGHT? Oh No. It's just going to be a sad casualty like what happened to JUNO last year. You know, an unimpeachable pretty good little picture that gets overhyped and overloved, which reachs a breaking point and a severe backlash then erupts against it because it was labeled as the best or important.

Forget the Oscars, forget THE DARK KNIGHT snub, forget all the Internet bullshit. Ignore all that loudnoise, accept for better or for worse what SLUMDOG is, and maybe you'll end up clapping yourself, and afterwards wonder how the hell Ron Howard got nominated again.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 02:39 PM

Watched CITY BY THE SEA last night at work. Seen it once before but i had forgotten what a good De Niro movie this is. James Franco takes a good part as well.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 05:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Watched CITY BY THE SEA last night at work. Seen it once before but i had forgotten what a good De Niro movie this is. James Franco takes a good part as well.


I never really cared for CITY BY THE SEA. If you're looking for a good De Niro movie, check out 15 MINUTES. It's pretty interesting how these guys into the country, especially after 9/11 (this was made prior to).
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 07:28 PM


I like watching City by the Sea because it was filmed in nearby Asbury Park
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 07:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Watched CITY BY THE SEA last night at work. Seen it once before but i had forgotten what a good De Niro movie this is. James Franco takes a good part as well.


I never really cared for CITY BY THE SEA. If you're looking for a good De Niro movie, check out 15 MINUTES. It's pretty interesting how these guys into the country, especially after 9/11 (this was made prior to).


Doesn't De Niro get killed in this film within the first 30 mins or am i thinking of another film...Good film though..
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 08:03 PM

Nice spoilers DE NIRO!
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 08:06 PM

I was going to watch the first half hour of that film tonight. frown
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 08:47 PM

lol, you are joking right?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 08:58 PM

I just watched "Taken" this afternoon. It was one of the most predictable action movies ever, and Liam Neeson kills half the population of Albania, but it was entertaining.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: svsg
Nice spoilers DE NIRO!


opps sorry..really..
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: svsg
Nice spoilers DE NIRO!


opps sorry..really..
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 09:19 PM

Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Watched CITY BY THE SEA last night at work. Seen it once before but i had forgotten what a good De Niro movie this is. James Franco takes a good part as well.


I never really cared for CITY BY THE SEA. If you're looking for a good De Niro movie, check out 15 MINUTES. It's pretty interesting how these guys into the country, especially after 9/11 (this was made prior to).


Doesn't De Niro get killed in this film within the first 30 mins or am i thinking of another film...Good film though..


First hour, but yeah wink
Posted By: Don Smitty

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 10:03 PM

just watched THE WRESTLER. It was excellent.

ds
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/10/09 11:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Doesn't De Niro get killed in this film within the first 30 mins or am i thinking of another film...Good film though..


First hour, but yeah wink

Another one for the MENSA class... good job, Irish, just in case there was any doubt that DE NIRO was mistaken! tongue ohwell
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/11/09 12:00 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Doesn't De Niro get killed in this film within the first 30 mins or am i thinking of another film...Good film though..


First hour, but yeah wink

Another one for the MENSA class... good job, Irish, just in case there was any doubt that DE NIRO was mistaken! tongue ohwell


I contribute wherever I can grin The cat was already outta the bag
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/11/09 04:49 AM

I've noticed several references to movies here that people enjoy more than they would have normally, only because it was filmed close by to where the person lives. Does that really make a movie better, being able to recognize hometown landmarks? Turner & Hooch was filmed in my hometown, but I still think it's horrible...
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/11/09 05:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
I've noticed several references to movies here that people enjoy more than they would have normally, only because it was filmed close by to where the person lives. Does that really make a movie better, being able to recognize hometown landmarks?


I don't know that being able to recognize a local landmark makes the movie better but I think it makes it more fun.

As an example, "Glenngary, Glen Ross" was filmed in my neighborhood. It's an excellent movie regardless of the filming location but I always find myself recognizing a certain landmark in it. (If anything, it almost detracts from the movie).
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/11/09 11:32 AM

I just watched the British film Eden Lake with Kelly Reilly, Michael Fassbender and Jack O'Connell. It had nods to such movies as Straw Dogs, Funny Games, and any of the various American horror films that detail people being terrorized in the hills by slack-jawed yokels.

It was a pretty impressive and even realistic horror film that details what happens to a man and his fiancee who take a trip to the countryside of England only to run afoul of some pretty brutish kids. And these are kids, just barely teenagers. I think the term in England is "hoodies"?

Unlike some of the modern American movies (Hostel or Saw) the violence is not as gratuitous. There are reasons for everything that happens and you actually care about the characters. The first part of the film develops slowly. Aggression and bullying is shown as happening in small steps-whether it's leering at a woman on the beach or letting your Rottweiler bark uncontrollably.

It is a very violent movie that doesn't hold much back. It's more effective in that some acts are shown off screen. It's also a very strong argument for ALWAYS carrying a gun when you leave "civilization"..
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/11/09 06:36 PM


I watched The Poseidon Adventure (1972) last night and when I saw that Leslie Nielsen was playing the captain, I was like, Oh, no! How can I possibly take his character seriously after Airplane! and the Naked Gun series!! lol ...but luckily his airtime didn't last long (he did fine in the drama, but still!). Decent movie I guess. Gene Hackman, Ernest Borgnine, and Red Buttons were great.

Will have to see how this compares to the Kurt Russell/Richard Dreyfuss remake, Poseidon (2006)...
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/11/09 07:49 PM

Leslie Nielsen is definitely one of those guys. I've seen him in serious roles while flipping through the channels and kept waiting for him to do something funny, so much so that I kept laughing when he was acting super serious.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/11/09 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I watched The Poseidon Adventure (1972) last night and when I saw that Leslie Nielsen was playing the captain, I was like, Oh, no! How can I possibly take his character seriously after Airplane! and the Naked Gun series!! lol ...but luckily his airtime didn't last long (he did fine in the drama, but still!). Decent movie I guess. Gene Hackman, Ernest Borgnine, and Red Buttons were great.

Will have to see how this compares to the Kurt Russell/Richard Dreyfuss remake, Poseidon (2006)...


I love the 1972 Poseidon Adventure. It was one of my favorite movies as a kid. I had the 2006 version on DVD, and could not make it through the whole movie. It was that bad.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/11/09 09:32 PM



TAKEN (2009) - ***1/2

"I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you."


People have called this a BOURNE rip-off, and while the action cinematography at times is deja vu, I would argue that TAKEN is more inspired by David Mamet's underrated gem SPARTAN. Like TAKEN, Mamet's SPARTAN was a down-to-Earth thriller about a veteran warrior with a vague background who alone goes on a periling quest to rescue a snatched girl from the clutches of a sex slavery ring, and both pictures were obviously inspired by SEARCHERS. Yet I still prefer SPARTAN if only because Val Kilmer is saving a woman he doesn't know, doing so as if simply it's the right thing to do. Compare that with TAKEN, where Liam Neeson is going after his daughter. No less heroic mind you, but SPARTAN is just more endearing to me.

We gotta applaud 20th Century Fox for their excellent marketing campaign for TAKEN, which was first released in France 11 months earlier and opened #1 with strong business on the traditionally tough Super Bowl weekend. Fox was slick to not go the usual loud and explosive route, but instead they sought a minimalist approach by basing the trailer, TV ads, and poster primarily around that great scene with Neeson. Over the cell phone, helplessly thousands of miles away as his daughter is kidnapped in Paris, Neeson just knocks it out of the park by issuing a simple but credible dire warning to the criminals, who in retrospect probably should have taken (pun!) him more seriously.

TAKEN contains not one once of originality, yet the story is as old as the hills. In one lifetime it could have been a gritty action exploitation star vehicle for Charles Bronson in the 1970s or Steven Seagal in the 80s, or in another it could have become a serious drama like THE SEARCHERS. TAKEN is a good example of a film that triumphs not from the material, but primarily from great acting and good directing and editing, all mostly conducted by people who took this endeavor more seriously than one would expect from a Luc Besson production.

Certainly the torture sequence is straight of an episode of 24, though how Neeson ends that scene it's what one expects from action cinema these days, and yet Neeson somehow makes it poetic. I was kinda shocked, as was my theatre audience, what Neeson commits at the home of a Parisian cop, yet it's fitting for his character is willing to be an unsympathetic violent bastard to get what he wants. Tales about such figures are dime a dozen in action cinema, especially these days, but because Neeson is a great actor, he is immediately and utterly convincing as a guy who on a flip from nobody-retiree moonlighting as a bodyguard for celebrities to a less noble Jason Bourne part deux.

I do think director Pierre Morel dissed TAKEN when he cuts between Neeson's pivotal phone call and the actual kidnapping itself. It's traditonal safe action cinema storytelling, but he could have made that whole sequence more powerful by concentrating from only Neeson's blind POV, let his skills make it all the more harrowing. Thus when Neeson is investigating the scene of the crime later on, instead of feeling redundant because we saw the misdeed already, it would have become more interesting. I did like how Morel is patient in setting up the story with all the proper dynamics without jumping the gun too early. Alot of people have criticized this, but I appreciate that Morel and Besson actually have confidence that the audience trusts them, and I think they're rewarded for the most part.

Regardless, of all Besson-producing gigs, TAKEN is king by a landslide. This isn't his usual ridiculous B-fare like KISS OF THE DRAGON or the TRANSPORTER series, where folks like me go simply for the fights and car chases. With TAKEN, I was never bored and both Morel and Neeson always kept me engaged. Morel previously helmed another Besson picture in the French actioneer DISTRICT 13, which I haven't seen but after TAKEN, I think I'll check that out.

The generic ending though was a rare misstep. There was a natural conclusion at the airport, with Neeson all alone again, a guy who'll do anything for his spawn, and she always knew that. But he was never really there for her in the first place because of his job or more likely he's a wild man, not suited for a domestic lifestyle. It's a perfect Western motiff, and instead the last shot is wrapping up a storyline with the pop singer that I doubt anyone ever cared about. Two minutes of violence were chopped out of the American theatrical cut of TAKEN, but not this nonsense? Boo!

I have noticed the biggest difference in Hollywood action cinema between today and when I was growing up. Back then, the biggest stars were a former European kick-boxing champion (Jean-Claude Van Damme), a black belt in Aikido (Seagal), and arguably the greatest bodybuilder of all-time (Arnold Schwarzenegger). But after comic TV star Bruce Willis joined the party with DIE HARD, the trend slowly turned to great thespians kicking ass and blowing shit up, which is the status quo today what with Matt Damon, Johnny Depp, Christian Bale, and now apparently Mr. Neeson too. The slight irony is that TAKEN also reminds me of that recent Seagal flick URBAN JUSTICE, for both characters aren't as fast or strong as their characters once were, but still prevail over endless obstacles by using their their experience and precision strikes in combat. They also commit sloppy mistakes their younger-selves wouldn't have made.

Of course I'm the same guy who liked SHOWDOWN IN LITTLE TOKYO, so what the hell do I know?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/11/09 09:42 PM


RRA didn't use the word fuck in a review?? uhwhat eek
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/11/09 09:54 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

RRA didn't use the word fuck in a review?? uhwhat eek




I'm fuckin full of surprises.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/12/09 03:30 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I like watching City by the Sea because it was filmed in nearby Asbury Park


Looks nice Geoff whistle
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/12/09 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I like watching City by the Sea because it was filmed in nearby Asbury Park


Looks nice Geoff whistle


Actually, Yogi, it wasn't then. lol Asbury Park used to be a resort town many years ago -- my dad grew up there, and we went there to the boardwalk amusements as young kids. But then after a bit (okay, a lot) of political corruption it became largely abandoned in the '80s and '90s, and a bit scary, but recently it's been making a major comeback and it's been building back up rather nicely.

But through it all, The Stone Pony (the club frequented by Springsteen and Southside Johnny) continued to rock it out!

Edit: Looking at the wiki article, I had no idea that Bud Abbott (of Abbott and Costello) was born there. But I knew that Danny DeVito grew up there.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/13/09 02:12 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff


Actually, Yogi, it wasn't then. lol Asbury Park used to be a resort town many years ago -- my dad grew up there, and we went there to the boardwalk amusements as young kids. But then after a bit (okay, a lot) of political corruption it became largely abandoned in the '80s and '90s, and a bit scary, but recently it's been making a major comeback and it's been building back up rather nicely.

But through it all, The Stone Pony (the club frequented by Springsteen and Southside Johnny) continued to rock it out!

Edit: Looking at the wiki article, I had no idea that Bud Abbott (of Abbott and Costello) was born there. But I knew that Danny DeVito grew up there.


I know I posted this once before. My niece is into "Urban Exploring", and Asbury Park is her specialty. Here's her site:

www.side-o-lamb.com
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/13/09 11:54 AM

Thats a pretty cool site JL. Great pics!
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/15/09 06:42 AM


The other night I finally saw The Magnificent Seven (1960), and tonight (also finally) the film it was based on, Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai (1954).

I enjoyed both -- they're both masterpieces "they" say -- but I especially thought TMS had more dimension/storyline/interest to it. And talk about cast: Yul Brynner, Eli Wallach (who played a tremendous Mexican bandit), Steve McQueen, Charles Bronson, Robert Vaughn, James Coburn...

I had no idea how almost-identical these two films were actually going to be (me thinking TSS would be more martial arts than anything), but clocking in at 3.5 hrs I think TSS was a bit longer than necessary. I'm glad I saw the American version first, not that the plot was complex by any means, but it did help a bit.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/15/09 02:33 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

but clocking in at 3.5 hrs I think TSS was a bit longer than necessary.




I agree. It can take a lot out of you. How long is THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN? I've never seen it. It's been on my list but just haven't got around to it/been in the mood.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/15/09 05:52 PM


The Magnificent Seven is just over 2 hours (128 mins), and to me had more story than Samurai's 3.5 hrs (208 mins Criterion Collection; though there were shorter versions apparently, according to IMDb)...

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/15/09 11:10 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

The Magnificent Seven is just over 2 hours (128 mins), and to me had more story than Samurai's 3.5 hrs (208 mins Criterion Collection; though there were shorter versions apparently, according to IMDb)...



Define "more story."
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/09 01:20 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Define "more story."


Well, the whole bit in Magnificent when
Click to reveal..

the farmers turned on them and kicked them out

for one thing, which I thought at least added something to the plot.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/09 03:24 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Define "more story."


Well, the whole bit in Magnificent when
Click to reveal..

the farmers turned on them and kicked them out

for one thing, which I thought at least added something to the plot.


Oh that contrived nonsense. Because you know, its more heroic to save folks who don't want your ass. Right.

I really like MAGNIFICENT, also the basis for a groovy The Clash funk tune, but I prefer SEVEN SAMURAI in that instead of MAGNIFICENT's simplistic dancing nonsense, in Kurosawa's picture the samurai always knew that the farmers only wanted them to save their skin, and those fighters needed a job or do something noble or whatever shit.

Remember that sequence when the Samurai
Click to reveal..
realize that the farmers have murdered previous Samurai who've come by the village?
Yet the leader of the samurai stayed, and without much debate or melodrama.

Which is why also the ending is better, and that last line much more at home and direct than the American western interpretation of it.

Who knows, maybe that story fits more at home in the Japanese culture than our own? Weird since Kurosawa admittedly ripped off John Ford westerns.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/09 06:43 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I watched The Poseidon Adventure (1972) last night and when I saw that Leslie Nielsen was playing the captain, I was like, Oh, no! How can I possibly take his character seriously after Airplane! and the Naked Gun series!! lol ...but luckily his airtime didn't last long (he did fine in the drama, but still!). Decent movie I guess. Gene Hackman, Ernest Borgnine, and Red Buttons were great.

Will have to see how this compares to the Kurt Russell/Richard Dreyfuss remake, Poseidon (2006)...


Well...

The latter -- despite the 21st Century effects that, truthfully, didn't even compare to Titanic (1997) -- sucked in comparison, in every other regard, to the original. In the '72 version at least I gave a shit about anyone surviving; in this case, nah, maybe just the kid, otherwise there was nothing/no one to root for, cuz there was little character development.

Another pointless/shit remake outta the way.
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/09 06:54 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Well...

The latter -- despite the 21st Century effects that, truthfully, didn't even compare to Titanic (1997) -- sucked in comparison, in every other regard, to the original. In the '72 version at least I gave a shit about anyone surviving; in this case, nah, maybe just the kid, otherwise there was nothing/no one to root for, cuz there was little character development.

Another pointless/shit remake outta the way.



Don't say I didn't warn you. wink
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/09 06:54 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Oh that contrived nonsense.

So am I to assume that you saw Samurai first, and thought so incredibly highly of it that any other interpretation of the same story you've seen since couldn't possibly be nearly as good (or God forbid any better!!)...

Or...

Are you just another artflick pawnfuck who goes with the flow of what every other ostensible "expert" thinks and is expected to say? ...even if something else might possibly be nearly as good (or God forbid any better!!)... ?
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/17/09 02:52 AM

"Vantage Point" - a good, taut political thriller starring Dennis Quaid as a Secret Serviceman on the president's detail and Forest Whitaker as a tourist with a movie camera in the right place at the right time.

The president (William Hurt) gets shot and the chase is on to save him and catch his shooter. The story is told from a few different vantage points and at times it gets very disturbing that each "story" is re-told from the same starting point (just before noon) but that ends up adding to the suspense.

It's three strong stars out of 4.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/17/09 05:07 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Oh that contrived nonsense.

So am I to assume that you saw Samurai first, and thought so incredibly highly of it that any other interpretation of the same story you've seen since couldn't possibly be nearly as good (or God forbid any better!!)...

Or...

Are you just another artflick pawnfuck who goes with the flow of what every other ostensible "expert" thinks and is expected to say? ...even if something else might possibly be nearly as good (or God forbid any better!!)... ?




Neither, goofy. tongue

Don't you remember me as the guy who by leap years prefered John Carpenter's THE THING remake over the original THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD? Oh wait, you forgot of course. tongue

No I saw SAMURAI first, and with its methodical storytelling 3 hours of action, characters, dynamics, music, and filmmakers' intention of more a ambitious drama than simply another actioneer...A fucking perfect film. That's the sort of film that all kids in senior high school/college freshman should watch in one epic sitting...and always remember that whole viewing experience.

Anyway, Yeah I do think MAGNIFICENT SEVEN pales in comparison, if because director Sturges was more interested in yet another entertaining western gun-show instead of Kurosawa's excellent blend of art and popcorn (think RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK for its time). And yes, I still think that MAGNIFICENT addage of the villagers turning on the gang was unnecessary.

That said, MAGNIFICENT is pretty good, with a classic macho cast(Brynner/McQueen/Bronson/Coburn/Vaughn/Wallach), and a great memorable soundtrack from Bernstein. So I'm not dissing it. Its a classic, deserves the love...but head-to-head, SAMURAI chops its head off.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/17/09 05:08 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I watched The Poseidon Adventure (1972) last night and when I saw that Leslie Nielsen was playing the captain, I was like, Oh, no! How can I possibly take his character seriously after Airplane! and the Naked Gun series!! lol ...but luckily his airtime didn't last long (he did fine in the drama, but still!). Decent movie I guess. Gene Hackman, Ernest Borgnine, and Red Buttons were great.

Will have to see how this compares to the Kurt Russell/Richard Dreyfuss remake, Poseidon (2006)...


Well...

The latter -- despite the 21st Century effects that, truthfully, didn't even compare to Titanic (1997) -- sucked in comparison, in every other regard, to the original. In the '72 version at least I gave a shit about anyone surviving; in this case, nah, maybe just the kid, otherwise there was nothing/no one to root for, cuz there was little character development.

Another pointless/shit remake outta the way.




Remember when Wolfgang Petersen made good movies?

Now his name to me is anonymous with shit. What happened to the German who shot DAS BOOT and IN THE LINE OF FIRE?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/17/09 05:09 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
"Vantage Point" - a good, taut political thriller starring Dennis Quaid as a Secret Serviceman on the president's detail and Forest Whitaker as a tourist with a movie camera in the right place at the right time.

The president (William Hurt) gets shot and the chase is on to save him and catch his shooter. The story is told from a few different vantage points and at times it gets very disturbing that each "story" is re-told from the same starting point (just before noon) but that ends up adding to the suspense.

It's three strong stars out of 4.



You know, Dennis Quaid should get more action roles quite honestly. An underrated actor he is.

Hell, I still think he should have been casted for THE PUNISHER instead of Thomas Jane all those years ago.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/17/09 05:42 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
artflick pawnfuck


I love me! grin
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/17/09 06:19 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: J Geoff
artflick pawnfuck


I love me! grin


I never knew you as one to self-suck. whistle
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/17/09 06:33 AM




The Chase (1966) (Dir. Arthur Penn; Starring Marlon Brando, Jane Fonda, Robert Redford, Robert Duvall)

The acting was actually okay in this, I just think the story (or execution of the story) was pretty weak. I was disappointed, and bored. ohwell Maybe someone else can share something redeeming about this other than the cast.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/18/09 02:58 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
The Chase (1966) (Dir. Arthur Penn; Starring Marlon Brando, Jane Fonda, Robert Redford, Robert Duvall)

The acting was actually okay in this, I just think the story (or execution of the story) was pretty weak. I was disappointed, and bored. ohwell Maybe someone else can share something redeeming about this other than the cast.


I had to see this for a class in college. I don't remember too much of it other than it was laughable (especially considering the cast).
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/18/09 03:25 AM

I remember when "The Chase" was released. I never saw it in the theater, and only saw part of it years later when it was on tv. I turned the channel, if I recall. It just didn't capture my interest I guess. ohwell


TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/18/09 03:40 AM

This weekend Time Warner had movies for a penny on "On Demand". I have only accidently heard of this movie and was wondering when it was going to be released. Evidently it was right to video. I figured it'd be a good fun movie to see with my girls. smile I gotta say, the only person I know in this movie is Penny Marshall. The rest of the cast is new although the star looks familiar.

Anyway, the premise (more or less) both the man and woman thinks the other is Italian and pretends they are too. Kind of cute. Worth every penny. lol

TIS


http://www.everybodywantstobeitalian.com/
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/18/09 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Thanks, TIS, that looks cute. I've added it to the top of my Netflix queue smile The trailer didn't seem to suggest Rated R, though...
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/19/09 02:21 AM

It is rated R, but I'd say a "soft" R. lol I actually had to check, I thought it could have been a PG13 (do they even still have that rating?

Anyway, it's what I call a fun movie.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/19/09 06:02 AM





TO HELL AND BACK (1955) - ***1/2

I think its a good thing that Audie Leon Murphy was a real life person, for I doubt anyone would have conjoured up such a fantastical fictional biography in fear of being dismissed as pure absurdity. Born to an impoverished sharecropping Texas family of 12 kids, he was forced to quit school at eigth grade to get a job out after his father deserted them. After Pearl Harbor, Murphy at the tender age of 16 sought to enlist with the Marines, but at 5'5'' and 110 pounds, they turned him down for being ill-fit for combat. So did the Air Force and Paratroopers, but the Army let him join, even if his platoon thought his size was a fatal liability for them.

But shorty proved everyone wrong by earning a Distinguished Service Cross after solo-dispatching several Nazi machin gun nests after they killed his buddy. The runt ended up being commissioned second lieutenant, leading the platoon himself. He was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for Holtzwihr, France in 1945 where on top of a burning tank, a death trap with spilled gasoline everywhere, he alone held off a German infantry advance with the tank's .50 caliber machine gun, then organizing his surviving men, they staged a successful counter-attack. Holy shit! After the war, he became both a successful movie star (44 films in all) and a Country Music songwriter. After President Kennedy, Murphy's gravesite is the most visited at Arlington National Cemetary.

As an actor, his most notable film work was TO HELL AND BACK, based off his autobiography (which was actually ghost-written by his war buddy), so effectively you have rather uniquely bizarre film production where one of the most decorated soldiers in American history plays himself. It's a fascinating gimmick to say the least, one that easily could have been dismissed as Murphy and studio shallowly cashing in his fame as a war luminary. But Murphy surprisingly proves himself to be a captivating presence, a humble yet charismatic lead, like if Jimmy Stewart had ever quit stuttering and man up. The public agreed, for TO HELL AND BACK was Universal Picture's biggest box-office hit until JAWS.

But God knows how fucking weird and awkward it must have been for Murphy to recreate in dramatizing horrific traumatic episodes of his life a decade later. Of course the irony is that as badass as TO HELL AND BACK does make Murphy look (he needed no help from Hollywood), the producers actually cut out the more incredible details of his war years because they thought the audience wouldn't believe it. For instance, throughout his tour of duty, Murphy had malaria. That's right, he went Clint Eastwood on the Germans while suffering a disease that kills a million folks a year. Do you feel lucky mosquitos, do ya punk!?! No wonder Cracked.com praised him as "a real-life guy who made Rambo look like a pussy."

One thing you must get through with TO HELL AND BACK is that it was produced like the other Hollywood war films of that time, where war comes off as a great fun backyard adventure where soldiers simply fall down after getting shot and the Americans always die by overacting. Of course I think that epoch's censoring of war to offend audiences is a great insult to those who fought, for it makes their sacrifices seem almost trivial, and less miraculous for those that survived, all which Murphy didn't intend. Now what I do dig though with TO HELL is that alot like war vet-turned-filmmaker Sam Fuller's B-movies of the time, there is a dramatic emphasis on how in all wars, even the supposed righteous World War 2, alot of deaths occured over futile trivial matters that mock logic.

There is a great lengthy sequence in Italy where the Germans and Audie's platoon effectively wipe each other out, including most of Audie's pals, in a mud battlefield over a simple farmhouse that might serve as a temporary observation post. The Americans capture it finally, face off a column of Nazi tanks, but then have to evacuate immediately because of the advancing Allies. All for nothing.

What also caught my attention was the early scene when young Murphy had to quit school, how his hick neighbors lament over this tragedy. That's quite a contrast with modern America where a good education isn't as prized much anymore, or worse knowledge is demaned and dismissed especially in poor urban and rural communities, and nevermind that silly stigma within our politics and culture where being smart was an evil elitist trait.Better yet in Basketball, where we actually freak out in surprise when we get a major college senior star only join the NBA Draft after his senior year. Sure the NBA has since set that minimum draft age at 19, but it's not working like everyone had hoped. Instead of giving those guys at least a year of academia (which most of them waste anyway with garbage courses to stay GPA eligible), the NCAA has effectively become a glorified minor league.

Anyway, my favorite moment though in TO HELL was the ending shot when Murphy gets the parades and medals, and at this great moment of his life, he projects an empty blank uncomfortably awkward stare. It's good acting, but also it represents what I think also seperated TO HELL from the other genre works of the 1950s, which was making this critical point that as heroic Murphy was, his fallen comrades were no less brave or courageous, but are only remembered as mere statistics or unremarkable tombstones. Much like ATONEMENT, they were people with unfinished goals and dreams that were interrupted and destroyed by the war. This will sound naive, but I would like to believe that Murphy wouldn't have done TO HELL if it was just another run-of-the-mill glorifying of war.

The conclusion with the "ghost" roll call may come off to some of you as cheesy, but I appreciate that well meaning gesture, and with Murphy himself that makes TO HELL a really good watch in spite of the bland direction and an uneven uninspired episodic screenplay, though I did like that segment where this soldier, a bragger of his womanizing, confesses about his only true love back home to an Italian prostitute who didn't speak any English.

In fact, I think a nuanced biopic of Murphy should be produced. It would cover obviously his harsh upbringing, war exploits, and his cinema career (B-westerns and John Huston's THE RED BADGE OF COURAGE), but also the obscure fact that he suffered post-traumatic stress disorder ("shell shock"), which caused him to be severely addicted to sleeping pills. He quit cold turkey by spending a week locked up at a motel. Afterwards he used his fame to speak out in support of Korean and Vietnam veterans suffering from war-related mental disorders like PTSD, proving that they're all victims, even Audie fucking Murphy, of whom George S. Patton had infamously slapped literally as cowards.

Now that makes him an even greater hero.

Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/19/09 06:26 AM

Murphy was the most decorated soldier of WWII. I read his autobiography ("To Hell and Back") and it is quite a story.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/19/09 11:07 PM

i liked the movie and book...its kinda sad he isnt mentioned much though.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/19/09 11:19 PM

"The Children's Hour" (1961) starring Shirley MacLaine, Audrey Hepburn and James Garner.

Marlon Brando had a great run of movies in the early 50s. MacLaine had an equal run starting in 1958 running through 1963 and this movie, right in the middle of that stretch, may be her best.

It tells the story of two women (MacLaine and Hepburn) who operate a private boarding school for rich girls. They are unjustly accused of being lesbians by one of the students (this young girl will quickly make your list of hated movie villains) and how that accusation goes on to ruin their lives.

This was a taboo subject in the early 60s and it really isn't tackled here, but the acting alone makes it a great worthwhile "must-see" movie.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/20/09 12:21 PM

My old man was a big Audie Murphy fan. Him and John Wayne.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/20/09 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
"The Children's Hour" (1961) starring Shirley MacLaine, Audrey Hepburn and James Garner.

Marlon Brando had a great run of movies in the early 50s. MacLaine had an equal run starting in 1958 running through 1963 and this movie, right in the middle of that stretch, may be her best.

It tells the story of two women (MacLaine and Hepburn) who operate a private boarding school for rich girls. They are unjustly accused of being lesbians by one of the students (this young girl will quickly make your list of hated movie villains) and how that accusation goes on to ruin their lives.

This was a taboo subject in the early 60s and it really isn't tackled here, but the acting alone makes it a great worthwhile "must-see" movie.


A pity that those characters weren't really lesbians.

What?
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/20/09 10:10 PM

my father has every single A movie john wayne has done...he might be half way there with his B movies though.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/21/09 07:11 AM


I never heard of Wanted (2008), but it somehow ended up at the top of my Netflix queue. Did someone recommend it to me?

With Morgan Freeman and hotlips Angelina Jolie, this had great potential, but what went wrong? The action and effects were top-notch (if not over done)... the story idea was actually quite cool (tho the writing sucked)... maybe it was the main character's performance (played by James "Who?" McAvoy)... I don't know. This could've been really great, but it was still cool and fun to watch nonetheless. I'll blame it on the writing.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/21/09 03:40 PM

James McAvoy is a British actor who stars in snoozefest ATONEMENT with Keira Knightly i think!
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/21/09 04:26 PM

Actually, out of all of Keira Knightley's time period films as of late, ATONEMENT was one of the better ones. Don't forget James was also in THE CHRONICLES OF NARIA: THE LION, THE WITCH, AND THE WARDROBE. He was also in THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND.

Here's his Filmography.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/24/09 08:34 AM


Finally watched them, back-to-back:

Grindhouse is the double-feature featuring:

Quentin Tarantino's Death Proof (2007) (Kurt Russell, Zoe Bell, Rosario Dawson). IMDb plot: "Two separate sets of voluptuous women are stalked at different times by a scarred stuntman who uses his 'death proof' cars to execute his murderous plans."

I loved the classic movie "Feature Presentation" and "Restricted" animations in the beginning, but I have to admit the old film effect, while at times creatively placed, was often just distracting -- in both films. But as for Death Proof itself, I thought it started out a bit slow, but halfway into the second story 'til the end, it made up for it and I loved it! Tarantino style throughout.

Robert Rodriguez' Planet Terror (2007) (Rose McGowan, Freddy Rodríguez, Josh Brolin, Bruce Willis). IMDb plot: "After an experimental bio-weapon is released, turning thousands into zombie-like creatures, it's up to a rag-tag group of survivors to stop the infected and those behind its release."

I don't know what it is, but for me I just cannot take zombie movies very seriously. I have yet to see one that looks realistic at all, but maybe that was the intention (being all retro and all). Nothing really new here, but entertaining nonetheless.
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/24/09 11:32 AM

J Geoff, do you like zombie movies more then Godfather 3?
Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/24/09 11:46 AM

Of course he does. Go check out his Zombie forum he made.
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/24/09 03:55 PM

Its not April Fool's Day!
Posted By: Lompac

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/24/09 04:23 PM

Who here was telling me that My Little Pony was good? I think it was Logneck.

Now that I'm thinking about it, it was. I definately remember him saying that My Little Pony was so much better then GF 1.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/24/09 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Finally watched them, back-to-back:

Grindhouse is the double-feature featuring:

Quentin Tarantino's Death Proof (2007) (Kurt Russell, Zoe Bell, Rosario Dawson). IMDb plot: "Two separate sets of voluptuous women are stalked at different times by a scarred stuntman who uses his 'death proof' cars to execute his murderous plans."

I loved the classic movie "Feature Presentation" and "Restricted" animations in the beginning, but I have to admit the old film effect, while at times creatively placed, was often just distracting -- in both films. But as for Death Proof itself, I thought it started out a bit slow, but halfway into the second story 'til the end, it made up for it and I loved it! Tarantino style throughout.

Robert Rodriguez' Planet Terror (2007) (Rose McGowan, Freddy Rodríguez, Josh Brolin, Bruce Willis). IMDb plot: "After an experimental bio-weapon is released, turning thousands into zombie-like creatures, it's up to a rag-tag group of survivors to stop the infected and those behind its release."

I don't know what it is, but for me I just cannot take zombie movies very seriously. I have yet to see one that looks realistic at all, but maybe that was the intention (being all retro and all). Nothing really new here, but entertaining nonetheless.



Geoff, did how did you watch them? On DVD? Or did you watch the original theatrical release version, with all the fake trailers, streaming on NetFlix?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/24/09 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Geoff, did how did you watch them?


Yeah, streamed from Netflix.

I was digging the (fake) trailer for "MACHETE" and was hoping it was an actual vintage b-film. They made it look very retro. But alas, instead of a full-length DVD extra, he's actually releasing it as feature. uhwhat Should be interesting...
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/24/09 11:11 PM

Netflix has the full, theatrical cut? How?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/25/09 12:54 AM


I don't know if it's some "theatrical" cut or whatever -- they came up as 2 individual titles, one preceded by the MACHETE trailer...
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/25/09 01:35 AM

Did you see trailers for DON'T, THANKSGIVING or WEREWOLF WOMEN OF THE SS?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/25/09 03:04 AM

We watched "Vantage Point" the other night. It's about the alleged assassination of the President of the US while he's in Spain. The shooting is shown over and over from the various POVs of the people present. I thought it would be annoying to see repetitive footage, but it was well done and certainly kept our attention. It's worth seeing.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/25/09 04:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Did you see trailers for DON'T, THANKSGIVING or WEREWOLF WOMEN OF THE SS?

No, I don't think so
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/25/09 01:40 PM

Ok, that wasn't the theatrical cut then.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/03/09 05:58 AM



HEAVEN'S GATE (1980) - ***1/2



"We all wanted to be the next David Lean, and we all failed." - Brian DePalma

That quote was DePalma's description of his fellow famed filmmaker Bratswho effectively ran Hollywood in the 1970s. Yet intentionally or not, it's most suited for Michael Cimino who in two films went from an Oscar-winning director of the popular classic THE DEER HUNTER to the blackballed poster-child of cinematic egotism in HEAVEN'S GATE.

I won't repeat the well-rehearsed story about that infamous production, for you can easily google all that up. I think the best GATE anecdote is from Director of Photography Vilmos Zsigmond, who recounted how a whole day of shooting was wasted so to get the perfect shot, ruined by an overcast. The crew waited and waited, until it's 4 PM and lunch hadn't even been served yet. Zsigmond nerves up and asks Cimino about this delay, and he yells: "This is bigger than lunch!"

So yes alot of that was Cimino's fault, but his costly shenanigans were in retrospect incredibly on par for that studio epoch when directors apparently got the keys to the bank, and used them well. I'm talking Francis Ford Coppola's APOCALYPSE NOW, Martin Scorsese's NEW YORK, NEW YORK and RAGING BULL, Steven Spielberg's 1941, William Friedkin's SORCERER, and Warren Beatty's REDS. All those projects for better or for worse were guys basically getting to do whatever the fuck they wanted. Hell actor Mickey Rourke made his film debut in 1941 and his next movie after that? HEAVEN'S GATE. A coincidence? Yes.

So why is GATE singled out in Hollywood infamy?

The easy answer would be that for the most expensive picture of its time, HEAVEN'S GATE practically lost almost its entire $44 million investment. OK that's a good reason, but so did the Unification Church-funded Korean War drama flop INCHON, yet nobody ever mentions that. The other facet is the myth that it bankrupted the studio United Artists, which btw is bullshit, since its parent corporation Transamerica wrote off that budget and regained it all within a trading day at the stock market. But it was from the sheer embarrassing public humiliation of that defeat why UA was sold off, like how Blockbuster famously years ago passed up a chance to buy then-struggling Netflix because they were developing their own Internet downloading service with Enron, but then Enron went bankrupt, and that project floundered about $600 million. Shit, GATE is milk money compared to that.

Have you noticed a pattern? I've been talking about GATE, everything but the film itself. It's that aura and mystique of shame and failure that quite frankly intimidated me from reviewing GATE for years. I mean one of the supposed worst movies ever made, all 219 minutes? Fuck that. But 2 years ago, I decided finally to grow a pair. Whenever I review by DVD on my big screen television, I get a notepad which I then pen down thoughts and criticisms so you know I won't forget them for the actual review. The other ritual of mine is that I never stop the film when I'm viewing. Yes maybe a pause or two for the toilet, but I'm not many folks who simply stop a picture mid-stream and continue it another day. Cinema has an energy, a continuous momentum punch that I usually think can't resume or sustain if you piecemeal it.

Maybe that was was my problem, why it took me that long to finally write this review, for afterwards I was damn numb emotionally and intellectually for I couldn't decide if I absolutely loved HEAVEN'S GATE, or absolutely fucking hated it. While it pisses me off with it's lethargic self-admiring pace, such that it tests the patience of everyone, hell probably even make Sergio Leone and David Lean squirm in their seats, I'm simultaneously stunned by Zsigmond's cinematography. Not only should it have won the Oscar that year, it's also one of the best shot films I've ever seen. It tells Sir Ridley Scott to go piss off. Hell even GATE's most ardent detractors admit it did good there:



Another good example, but sadly I haven't found a YouTube clip, is this long sequence at the train station in town where without cuts Cimino follows this train conductor from his cramp barely-lit interiors to outside the door, revealing to us a huge unbelievablely bright landscape of the town and railroad (w/ functioning train) all built from scratch. Considering this was back before computers, this is stunning and even more impressive. For that one terrific shot at least, the fortune was worth it.

The story is lacking, but I expected as much from anyone that tries to emulate Lean and Leone, where the script is merely a vehicle for harmonic larger-than-life visual poetry. But the difference is that unlike masterpieces like say LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, Cimino's GATE suffers mostly from is because of how goddamn redundant the plotting is. I believe it was Zsigmond who remarked that Cimino's problem on GATE was that "He fell in love with his movie."

You have the opening 20 minute(!) prologue at Harvard in 1870, all to show thematically how graduate Kris Kristofferson at youth was very optimistic and ambitious, looking towards the west hopefully as the future in pure American Transcendentalistm spirit. Yet is all that necessary to make that point? I mean a bitter line shared later in 1890s Wyoming between him and fellow classmate John Hurt was as effective in dealing with bright idealism fighting with gritty reality. That said, I did dig that whole graduation co-ed dancing sequence, reflecting a rare social occassion in Victorian times when the sexes could openly express their love and sexuality. A nice nuanced touch.



Anyway, the rest of the movie is Ivy League aristocrat-turned-cowboy Kristofferson (doing his best Theodore Roosevelt) defending Eastern European immigrant farmers from a mercenary army of assassins hired by wealthy greedy landowners (led by Sam Waterson), with a death list unofficially sanctioned by the Federal government. Kristofferson also is trapped in the Classic American Romance Triangle, between his foreign prostitute (Isabelle Huppert) and a bounty hunter (Christopher Walken). GATE was based off a real historical conflict in the Johnson County War, though unlike the movie, the U.S. Army actually arrested the cattlemen for contracting the killers and didn't save them at the last minute from the homesteaders defending themselves.

Which is interesting, considering alot of GATE's budget got blown from Cimino wanting to be very meticulous with the historical accuracy of that time period from props, costumes, sets, music, dancing, everything but his screenplay. So GATE was like Cimino's ambitious mixed bag of MCCABE & MRS. MILLER meeting GONE WITH THE WIND. He did include a detail which I never knew beforehand, which was that apparently alot of these farming community actually had... wait for it....roller skating rinks. This begs the question, why haven't we gotten a western shoot-out involving a rink yet?



What is lost within the long pauses and wide shots is that there is actually some good acting going on here, which you would expect from a cast that also includes Jeff Bridges, Brad Dourif, and Rourke. Yeah Huppert's thick French tongue is scrambled for me at times, but I get the idea behind Cimino's casting: Sweet immigrant whore with the expected rough English, and plus she has nice tits. Kristofferson may seem out of place, but he's going for a rich boy-roughnecking Theodore Roosevelt here, so it works. Also take that scene when Walken busts into Waterson's tent and shoots his lackey right between the eyes, and of course that baddie is rattled. But after a moment or two, he straightens up and firmly acts as if nobody's brains had been blown across his table, and warns Walken to screw off. GATE features an underrated strong physically charismatic performance from Walken, typecasted back even then as the creepy violent psychopath. Notice too how Waterson sports a Hitler-esque mustache as the genocidal WASP.

If GATE is remembered in America as one of the most important films in Hollywood history (for all the wrong reasons), in Europe and Japan it's critically highly considered a classic, even a masterpiece by some. I think this vast difference between the oceans is explained away by the very reason why GATE pissed me off and so many others in the first place. It's a surprisingly bitter melancholic narrative, as if Cimino wanted to make an anti-western, where the dynamic badass intelligent gun-slinging individuals don't prevail and in fact are trampled by society in large, where the industrialists stomp on the little people and get away with it.

A would-be American tragedy, you could say where Kristofferson wanted to escape the Eastern establishment to out west find his own fortune and love, only to be beaten and driven back East and as an old man compromised by settling down into a marraige within his social class. GATE was in fact accused back in the day for being Marxist or a "Red Western," an ironic criticism considering GATE's price tag.

In short, that message seems more receptive in collective societies, while Hollywood in 1980 had and still doesn't have such interest in a long-winded very depressing tale that can drive one to drink. Or maybe not, I don't know. All I'm saying is, put aside it's reputation and maybe give HEAVEN'S GATE a honest chance, but take a real good resting break during intermission. You'll thank me later. At best, you'll find maybe a greatly secret treasure, and at worst suffer a pretty boring historic curiosity with a good soundtrack, and see a horse actually blown up, which is why the American Humane Association has subsequently monitored the handling of all animals in film productions to this day. Thanks Michael.

I guess if I wanted ot sum it all up short and nicely (too late just like GATE), I think of the great rock band The Clash's great album SANDINISTA!, which bombed with bad buzz, and even today many devout Clash fans won't bother exploring that 3-disc opus. Yes there was much self-indulgence, but I'll kindly take the great music with the random experimental tunes and filler-reggae dubs. Not exactly a perfect analogy, but I accept ambitious-if-to-a-big-fault GATE. Warts, intestines, roller skates, cockfighting, burning cabins, exploding horsey, and all.
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/08/09 10:03 PM

For anyone who hasn't seen WATCHMEN, I would definitely advise to seeing it in the theater. I'm gonna go out on a limb right now and say it's gonna wind up being my favorite movie of the year. It runs at 2 hours 45 minutes but believe me, the time flies. I heard Zack Snyder is going to release a director's cut with a run time of about 3 1/2 to 4 hours. I can't wait. Snyder's 2 for 2 now with comic book movies. I can't wait to see what he has planned next!
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/12/09 09:19 AM

Last night the family watched a golden oldie,one of my favourite books,

A TREE GROWS IN BROOKLYN directed by the mighty Elia Kazan. I have seen it before but enjoyed it again,but even the kids liked it despite thier gasps of horror at it being in black and white tongue
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/12/09 11:34 AM

One of my favorite books as well, Yogi. I admit that I've never seen the movie, though. I'll have to look for it now.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/13/09 12:28 AM

A Fistfull of Dollars

Why are the voices of the Mexicans off with the audio? And what is a white family doing controlling half a Mexican town?
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/13/09 02:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
A Fistfull of Dollars

Why are the voices of the Mexicans off with the audio?


I just learned about this about a month ago. A lot of the Italian movies from that time were filmed in the actors native language. So in a scene with an Italian actor speaking to an American actor, they were actually talking to each other in different languages, and then voices were dubbed later depending on where the movie was being played.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/13/09 03:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
A TREE GROWS IN BROOKLYN

What, that's a real book and not just a Bugs Bunny reference??
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/13/09 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Originally Posted By: Longneck
A Fistfull of Dollars

Why are the voices of the Mexicans off with the audio?


I just learned about this about a month ago. A lot of the Italian movies from that time were filmed in the actors native language. So in a scene with an Italian actor speaking to an American actor, they were actually talking to each other in different languages, and then voices were dubbed later depending on where the movie was being played.


Still a great film and Soundtrack.. smile
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/14/09 06:59 AM

Absolutely! A Fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More and The Good, The Bad and The Ugly are three of my favorite movies. They have their flaws but so many more strengths, like the music as you mentioned. And Clint Eastwood is awesome. I know some people have issues with the films he has directed, but I don't know how anyone could dislike his acting in these films.

Speaking of Spaghetti Westerns, has anyone else seen My Name is Nobody? It stars Henry Fonda. It's similar to the other three mentioned above but has a lot of comical scenes that seem out of place. However those comical scenes add to the charm of the movie. It has a good story and catchy soundtrack (by Ennio Morricone) as well. Very unique western!
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/14/09 10:13 PM

Actually watching MEAN STREETS as i post.

Brilliant stuff.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/15/09 10:56 AM

I just saw Cadillac Records.

This was the story of Chicago based Chess Records. Chess was a dominant actor in the world of early blues, jazz and rock-n-roll. It was the home of such legendary artists as Muddy Waters, Little Walter, Chuck Berry, Howling Wolf, Etta James, Jimmy Witherspoon, Buddy Guy and Bo Diddley. The film was titled Cadillac Records because of the label owner's proclivity to cheat his stars out of royalties and pay them in new Cadillacs instead.

The film starred Adrien Brody, Gabrielle Union, Vincent D'onofrio, Cedric, Eamonn Walker, Jeffrey Wright, Mos Def, and Beyonce. With all of that talent, the film should have been better. But it wasn't. It looked and felt like a made for TV movie. It lacked the intensity of Ray (starring Jamie Foxx) which covered similar ground. An invented romance between Leonard Chess and Etta James falls flat. There are parallels drawn between Muddy's desire to escape the plantations of Mississippi and Leonard Chess' desire to escape the ghettos of eastern Poland. Curiously the film makes no mention of Phil Chess, Leonard's brother and business partner.

The film accurately depicted the different approaches of Howlin Wolf and Muddy Waters to label exploitation and interference. Waters was more of a "company man" and didn't object to recreating a paternal plantation style relationship with Leonard Chess. Waters knew he was being cheated but also knew that Chess would take care of him. Wolf (played superbly by Eamonn Walker) was different. Wolf didn't accept any "gifts" from label owners, paid for his own home and cars, and resisted anyone telling him how to run his band. This was true to life. Howlin Wolf was 6-6 and 300# in his salad days so there weren't very many people who tried to push him against his will.

Jeffrey Wright looks nothing like Muddy Waters but he did a fine job recreating the man's mannerisms and style. Mos Def does have a slight resemblance to Chuck Berry and turned in an excellent performance showing Chuck's defensive sarcasm against the racism of the day. Mos also nailed Chuck's precise diction and expansive vocabulary.

The real problem of the film is that with the exception of the actor (Columbus Short) playing Little Walter, it is difficult to suspend belief. You never forget that these are just actors. Good actors but there is no one who takes over a role and blurs it like Jamie Foxx did in Ray.

Little Walter's explosive temper, incredible talent and self-destructiveness make up something of a theme throughout the film. The victim of numerous police beatings and also an alcohol and drug addict, Little Walter died young. His death marks something of a turning point in the film.

A final nitpick for any blues fanatics is that the film shows Muddy playing various Gibson Les Pauls when everyone knows Muddy was primarily a Fender Telecaster man.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/15/09 09:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo

A final nitpick for any blues fanatics is that the film shows Muddy playing various Gibson Les Pauls when everyone knows Muddy was primarily a Fender Telecaster man.


That's a pretty big mistake, I have to say. It'd be like Hendrix playing right-handed.
Posted By: hoohoney

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/19/09 05:40 AM

now i have watched bones and stargate atlantis.



the plots of these are so attractive to me.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/19/09 05:43 AM


Bones is good... I like almost all the primetime FOX shows cool
Posted By: The Iceman

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/21/09 12:13 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Bones is good... I like almost all the primetime FOX shows cool




Yeah it is good I've been watching past episodes on DVD about the last 3-4 days.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/23/09 03:32 PM

Re watched JACKIE BROWN last night at work.

Forgotten what a good film this actually is.

Jackson is awesome as the fast talking crook and Bob de Niro is great as his shambolic sidekick.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/23/09 03:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Re watched JACKIE BROWN last night at work.


Is your place hiring, Yogi? wink
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/23/09 03:43 PM

Yes Geoff. Quiet nights are great,watch movies and read books all night smile
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/23/09 04:34 PM

Pity theres no PC, you could be on here all night.. smile
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/24/09 02:56 PM

Oh there is plenty of computers but we are not allowed on any of them frown


We are not to be trusted apparently wink
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/30/09 11:09 PM

The best film I've seen this year is Claude Lanzmann's Shoah (1985).

Everyone interested in memory repression, memory itself, the Holocaust, the banality of evil, the question of "Why" and "How" surrounding the Final Solution, the systematic structures of death used by the Nazis, collective social guilt, collective social psychology, racial disdain and global indifference to the Jewish Problem, the ethics of documentary filmmaking, of the interview as interrogator, as primary witness, language, cinematic representations of the past, trauma theory, expressions of the inexpressible...

Everyone should see it. It's nine and a half hours of riveting filmmaking, and I can't stop thinking about it.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/04/09 08:03 PM

We actually went to the movies last week (gasp!) and saw "Duplicity". It was enjoyable, some of the scenery was beautiful, and the script and the acting was clever and entertaining. However, it tried a little too hard to be "clever", adding one twist after the other.

It stars Julia Roberts and Clive Owen, with Paul Giamatti as an egotistical, back-stabbing CEO, and IMO, he steals the movie.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/06/09 04:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra


Everyone should see it. It's nine and a half hours of riveting filmmaking, and I can't stop thinking about it.


I was just curious, Capo. Do you view a 9 1/2 hour movie in one day without interruption, or do you take breaks while watching it? I would imagine it is extremely difficult for a movie to stay interesting and compelling for such a long time, but it sounds like this one did.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/06/09 10:27 AM

I just finished watching (for the first time) one of the best movies I've seen in years ..... "The Majestic" starring Jim Carrey in a totally serious role, and one of the best performances I've seen in MANY years!

Carrey portrays a movie screenwriter in the 1950s Hollywood Communist witch hunt period. He has a car accident and ends up with amnesia in a small Californian town. The local townspeople mistake him for one of their own who they believed was killed in WWII and the movie goes on to show how he affects their lives (positively).

It reminds you immediately of a Frank Capra movie; it has all the hokey, sentimental trappings but they work on every level. It's directed by Frank Darabont - the same guy who screen wrote "Shawshank Redemption" and "The Green Mile" (two of my favorite movies) and this one is every bit as good as those two!

If you haven't seen it, DO SO!! 4 stars for sure!!!!
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/06/09 06:25 PM

I watched this last month and very much enjoyed it as well..
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/09/09 12:00 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra


Everyone should see it. It's nine and a half hours of riveting filmmaking, and I can't stop thinking about it.


I was just curious, Capo. Do you view a 9 1/2 hour movie in one day without interruption, or do you take breaks while watching it? I would imagine it is extremely difficult for a movie to stay interesting and compelling for such a long time, but it sounds like this one did.
I watched it in two sittings, Klyd. Four and a half, then five. In each sitting I had a few mini-breaks at appropriate points. Because it's a succession of "talking heads" (but so much more than that; better seen than read about), I actually think it becomes more compelling the longer you sit and watch it. Breaks can become detrimental to films with this sort of rhythm. Time itself (along with repetition) becomes part of its meaning and power.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/09/09 02:26 PM

Watched ESSEX BOYS at work last night. One of the better quality UK gangster films,starring Sean Bean. Based on true events as well!
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/10/09 02:25 PM

During another busy night last night i watched football hooligan film GREEN STREET starring the ferocious hobbit Elijah Wood as an American who gets sucked into the hooligan scene.

Not particularly good but not particularly bad either. If you want to see a proper football hooligan film then FOOTBALL FACTORY is the one!
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/10/09 03:29 PM

I thought Green Street Hooligans was interesting because I didn't know anything about those football "gangs". I'll have to see Football Factory.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/10/09 05:59 PM

Saty away from Green Street 2 ,,,its shocking..
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/13/09 02:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
I thought Green Street Hooligans was interesting because I didn't know anything about those football "gangs". I'll have to see Football Factory.


FOOTBALL FACTORY is much better than GREEN STREET Blib,well worth a watch.

DN,i heard that about GREEN STREET 2 as well but i would watch it if i came across it. I have CASS to watch as well,just never got round to it yet.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/13/09 02:42 PM

Monsters vs. Aliens. - Very amusing and well-written. We enjoyed it, and if you're a fan of animated films, I highly recommend it. The tongue-in-cheek dialogue was very nicely delivered by the various voice-over actors and the bows to other films ("The Blob" just to name one) were done well. I wold go see it.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/13/09 02:48 PM

My daughter has gone to see that SB this very day. In fact she will be at the cinema now,hope she enjoys it as much as you did!
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/13/09 03:13 PM

I love those types of movies, my two favorite being "The Incredibles" and "Monsters Incorporated".
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/13/09 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra


Everyone should see it. It's nine and a half hours of riveting filmmaking, and I can't stop thinking about it.


I was just curious, Capo. Do you view a 9 1/2 hour movie in one day without interruption, or do you take breaks while watching it? I would imagine it is extremely difficult for a movie to stay interesting and compelling for such a long time, but it sounds like this one did.
I watched it in two sittings, Klyd. Four and a half, then five. In each sitting I had a few mini-breaks at appropriate points. Because it's a succession of "talking heads" (but so much more than that; better seen than read about), I actually think it becomes more compelling the longer you sit and watch it. Breaks can become detrimental to films with this sort of rhythm. Time itself (along with repetition) becomes part of its meaning and power.


Thank you, Capo. The movie sounds intriguing.
Posted By: Luchese

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/14/09 12:16 AM

The Omen (2006)

Fantastic, and I'm going to watch the original with Lee Remick later.
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/14/09 01:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Luchese
The Omen (2006)

Fantastic, and I'm going to watch the original with Lee Remick later.

I've seen the original and I liked it a lot. I haven't seen the new one. Anyone who has seen both, please compare them!
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/14/09 03:02 AM

The other night I watched (again) "The Wild One," without a doubt the most iconic American movie of the Fifties. Despite being a "B" movie (and not a particularly brilliant one at that), "The Wild One" contains one of Brando's most forceful and definitive performances. Every serious compendium of film criticism (print or video) rates this movie at or near the top of the most influential films of the Fifties. Unlike "Streetcar," "On the Waterfront," "Viva Zapata" or "The Men," where Brando was surrounded by other capable actors, here he has a near-solo showcase for his ability to totally dominate everything (although Lee Marvin turns in an early, effective performance as a convincingly wretched fellow-biker).
One of the reasons I love "The Wild One" is that, when it came to our neighborhood moviehouse in '54 (almost a year after it was released), I was the only kid who had a real, leather motorcycle jacket. Andy Warhol once said everyone would be famous for 15 minutes. My 15 minutes of fame came on that matinee when all the neighborhood kids and I watched "The Wild One." And every one of them begged me to let them wear my motorcycle jacket while watching the film. Ah, what a moment... smile Afterward, we all attached a clothespin to a playing card, mounted the clothespin to the rear wheel of our bicycles, and let the playing card flap against the spokes of the wheel--making a sound like a motorcycle. Perfect!
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/14/09 06:13 PM

That's a great memory, Turnbull. I think we can all sense what it must have felt like to be wearing that jacket in the theatre while watching the movie. smile
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/14/09 08:54 PM

sad i only seen two movies with brando in it...the godfather and superman (including those he makes a small part in it).
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/18/09 02:49 AM



12 ROUNDS (2009) - ***

(NOTE: This was written weeks back, as you'll obviously detect.)

From the director of DIE HARD 2, the weakest entry of that proud action cinema franchise methinks (though it has its fans) comes his dumbed down, shakey cam remake of DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE, villainy plot twist included. I guess Renny Harlin got jealous that someone shot a better DIE HARD sequel (with better franchise-obligatory twist plot-turn) than him, so I can't wait for his own LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD knock-off.

For years WWE Films, the cinema company endeavor of Vince McMahon's professional wrestling empire has produced many low budget would-be theatrical starring vehicles for his sports entertainers (his wanker "legit" term for wrestlers) and they all were awful. Everyone fucking one of them from the pathetic Kane horrorfest SEE NO EVIL to THE CONDEMNED, a mediocre THE RUNNING MAN knock-off with Stone Cold Steve Austin. WWE Films was on path of becoming the Cannon Films of our time, if not already. This filmography of dishonor would also include THE MARINE, which I reviewed some years back and featured WWE's current top superstar John Cena. It was quite a painful myriad of a very bad unimaginative script, an even more bored villainous Robert Patrick, stupid cartoon physics that would appall Michael Bay, shockingly inappropriate humor about child molestation, and ultimately a fatal miscalculation in framing its star. As I wrote in my review,

"John Cena just isn't an automatic explosions-up-your-ass credible action figure like Arnold Schwarzenegger and lacks instant quiet charisma to for the part that's scripted for him like say Jason Statham. Thing is he is graced with a Matt Damon-esque sympathetic face, except placed on top of a tank body frame, a naturally likeable guy with nary a shade of gray complexity to his character. That fact is probably why at WWE events he gets wild cheers from crowds of kids and women, but booed with utter contempt by adult men, despite supposedly playing the hero.

If the movie was built around his strengths instead of ignoring them, perhaps he would have triumphed in spite of this crap."


Well either WWE Films realized this, or they maybe they read my MARINE reivew (ok probably not), but 12 ROUNDS finally utilizes Cena the action hero as much as they possibly can, and subsequently snap the WWE Films Stink Streak. Congrats guys. Now don't let this get to your head, for I'm not saying that 12 ROUNDS is good per say for God knows its simply a miracle that you all actually produced a watchable film. For perspective's sake, you haven't won the Super Bowl, just the Wildcard Round. But it's a start.

But I will gladly prescribe this to my fellow action cinema junkies who need their weekly fix who don't mind rewatching a film they've practically seen before dozens of times (and will again) as long as they get their quota of explosive action sequences, the narrative energy tempo is somewhat consistently strong, the cliches aren't as well painfully cliche, and the stupidity quota is either not too insulting or not so blatant. They'll mostly be happy to hear that this is Harlin's best work since his primetime days of CLIFFHANGER and DIE HARD 2, though when his subsequent output consists infamous flop CUTTHROAT ISLAND, his spectacular failure EXORCIST: THE BEGINNING, and the embarrasing shark flick DEEP BLUE SEA, is that really saying much?

You have your traditional actioneer villain Aidan Gillen, a supposed super-brilliant terrorist (aren't they all?) who Harlin showcases his intelligence with a bromide where the guy is walking by a street chess game, takes over and wins within 60 seconds. Because you see, that chessboard is like an allegory of how Gillen will play Mr. Cena throughout 12 ROUNDS. I'll never listen to it, but I'm pretty sure Harlin will try to impress everyone with how supposedly clever he was on his inevitable DVD audio commentary, so I'm just warning you all. Off-topic, but why is it that only intelligent people (mostly baddies) play chess at the movies? I mean I know chess is slightly more complex than checkers, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to play it.

Of course the FBI guys trailing Gillen also, in another time-honored action cinema tradition, give a pointless briefing to each other of how evil he is. Apparently bombing an American Embassy wasn't bad enough, for he also decapitated his own brother for botching a weapons deal. I'm sure that Thanksgiving family dinner afterwards was fucking awkward as hell. Anyway, he outsmarts the trap, betrays the crooks whom he got to backstab the Feds, and is driving his way to freedom with his woman when he's confronted by lowly New Orleans uniform copper Cena.

Now maybe I ask for too much or not enough, for I was kinda glad that 12 ROUNDS didn't give into temptation that many actioneers do, which is give Cena an early scene or moment where he exhibits his muscles or whatever. The guy is just a nobody policeman probably having to deal on a nightly basis with parking violations, drunk drivers, and the occassional whacked out naked drug addict. You might even become friends with him at the local gym. He's just a meathead jock who rises to the occasion. Yes Harlin still ripping off the original classic DIE HARD here, but hey I would too. Sure I could ponder how he could run through a neighborhood fast enough to cut off the speeding culprits, but instead I'll bring up a shot where Cena stops the villains by pushing a fishing boat hitched to a truck into their way. Like Schwarzenegger holding that giant log over his shoulder with ease in COMMANDO, I couldn't help but grin at such cheeky absurdity. Sorry.

Unfortunately all this was happening in the middle of the street, so the woman gets accidentally run over. Opps. A year later, Cena gets made a detective for apprehending Gillen, no uniform anymore. I appreciate some touches here, like how instead of being a dickhead egomaniac for pulling off what Interpol and FBI couldn't do for years (imagine if a Portuguese meter maid snatched Osama Bin Laden), he's playing billards with his buddies, lamenting how he got that girl killed even if she was a criminal. Well at least Cena isn't playing a mindless flag-waving dumb American here like he was in THE MARINE. I especially liked how despite his heroics he's still a cheapskate asshole at home who won't call the plumber to fix a broken sink.

I could so see John McClane doing that.

Anyway, Gillen escapes from jail, kidnaps Cena's wife, and makes him play his "12 Rounds" of sadistic terror games to win her back. I loved how this campaign begins when Gillen has Cena's car parked outside bombed, which of course draws Cena out, and then he blows up his house. That's a nice way of fucking with the protagonist's head, and I sure hope he had insurance on both.

Much like DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE, Cena and his doomed token black cop partner have to solve riddles, reach destinations in time, all that shit. For example, in a ghetto neighborhood he finds the GPS coordinates of the next target spray painted, which leads to a fire house, where he then has to break into a bank engulfed in flames and unlock specific safety deposit boxes, one which contains a proximity bomb. To disarm it, he has to drive 30 blocks away in 6 minutes (why use a fire truck instead of the faster, better turn-radius government cars?) and then the other box holds phone numbers that...

OK, you get the idea.

12 ROUNDS doesn't win, nor throws in the towel, but prevails barely by split decision. I was pleased to discover myself enaged in my seat for much of the time, whatever that was because it was a John Cena picture from the director of DRIVEN, or because it was raining outside the theatre, I can't tell. Overall It's disposable mindless entertainment, and I wanted to recommend this to general audiences, but I can't due to annoying little details that arise in immediate retrospection.

I mean Cena has to endure alot on this day, yet only gets a slight scratch on his forehead for all his troubles. Buddy, this is a movie, not wrestling! Second, when the head FBI Agent (Steve Harris) is playing with a toy car in stalking Gillen, couldn't Harlin have just left that as a quirky character trait? But noooooo, it had to be a car he found from the wreckage of a plane that Gillen destroyed. I guess it was supposed to redeem Harris for being such a useless obstacle, but who fucking cares? Also I started losing interest by the time of the runaway trolly. At least SHOWDOWN IN LITTLE TOKYO had the courtesy to know to not overstay its welcome.

Better yet, when the pug was believed to be in the house, I thought that was a bizarre touch. I mean how many action movies have pugs exploding? This is the only one I've seen, though I never saw MILO & OTIS. But shit, that little bastard escaped in time, thanks to an obvious frame from a reshoot. I guess that furball could have run his pudgy legs off, yet why am I criticizing that instead of Cena similarly surviving despite being standing mere feet away from both explosions? Finally, does the gag about getting shot in the ass get laughs anymore?

Unlike so many previous WWE top-belt prima donna main eventers from Hulk Hogan to Shawn Michaels to The Rock and whoever, You rarely hear or read anything remotely negative about Cena's behavior or attitudes backstage within insider publications. In fact, he was rather highly respected within that corporation for his dedicated in doing endless appearances, house shows, interviews, and so forth. Hell until he got recently hitched, the industry joke was that Cena was already married to Vince.

Now there is reportedly grumblings from several of Cena's co-workers. Many feel that WWE spent too much effort and time in promoting 12 ROUNDS instead of this year's Wrestlemania pay per view, their yearly Super Bowl revenue-earner. Obviously McMahon seriously thought 12 ROUNDS would be a breakout hit for Cena and WWE Films, but judging from the abysmal box-office numbers, it instead got knocked out.

Supposedly Cena is booked to win back his title this sunday, so he can quickly go back to his dayjob.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/19/09 11:49 PM

In the movie The Natural, why does that women shoot Roy?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/19/09 11:49 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
In the movie The Natural, why does that women shoot Roy?


I guess because he struck out in bed.
Posted By: Don Cardi

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/20/09 12:33 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
In the movie The Natural, why does that women shoot Roy?


The Movie was made from a novel written by Bernard Malamud. The novel was based on real life baseball player Eddie Waitkus who was shot by an obsessed and deranged stalker in a hotel room in Chicago.


The Natural is probably my favorite all time baseball movie, with Field Of Dreams a very close second.


Roy Hobbs: I coulda been better. I coulda broke every record in the book.
Iris Gaines: And then?
Roy Hobbs: And then? And then when I walked down the street people would've looked and they would've said there goes Roy Hobbs, the best there ever was in this game.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/20/09 01:24 AM

She was a serial killer who was murdering the athletes who were at the top of their various sports. She was originally after "The Whammer",
Click to reveal..
but when Roy beat him in that little contest during the train stop, she switched her interest to Roy. She wanted to kill the best in the sport, and she felt Roy was, which is why he says what he does about being the best there ever was to Iris.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/20/09 02:09 AM

Thanks. Didn't she ask him if he was the best? I wondered why she did that. What a wierd perversion - murder the best.
Posted By: Luchese

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/20/09 12:50 PM

The Cigar

Made for TV movie on the life of Carmine Galante. Great stuff. Keep an eye out for Big Joey Massino!
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/20/09 02:00 PM

I watched "The Great Escape" on Saturday Night.. Classic war time drama about a bunch of POW who plan there escape. Starring Steve Mcqueen..

3/5
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/20/09 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
I watched "The Great Escape" on Saturday Night.. Classic war time drama about a bunch of POW who plan there escape. Starring Steve Mcqueen..

3/5


Is The Great Escape based on a true story? I think it's hilarious that the Nazi's had trouble with guys escaping from POW camps all over the place, so what do they do? They take all of the best escape artists from all of the POW camps, and put them together into one camp so they aren't a problem anymore. Like dozens of escape artists aren't going to work together to hatch some master plan of escape lol.
Posted By: Luchese

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/20/09 04:35 PM

But most of them were murdered because of this "grouping" of clever individuals.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/20/09 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Is The Great Escape based on a true story? I think it's hilarious that the Nazi's had trouble with guys escaping from POW camps all over the place, so what do they do? They take all of the best escape artists from all of the POW camps, and put them together into one camp so they aren't a problem anymore. Like dozens of escape artists aren't going to work together to hatch some master plan of escape lol.


Yeah, it's based on a true story.

I guess the idea was to put the "worst of the worst" (or "best of the best" - depending on your viewpoint) into a maximum security prison (from which they were less likely to escape).

Kind of like Alcatraz.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/20/09 08:49 PM

and like alcatraz they broke through.
Posted By: Don Cardi

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/20/09 10:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
I watched "The Great Escape" on Saturday Night.. Classic war time drama about a bunch of POW who plan there escape. Starring Steve Mcqueen..

3/5


Is The Great Escape based on a true story? I think it's hilarious that the Nazi's had trouble with guys escaping from POW camps all over the place, so what do they do? They take all of the best escape artists from all of the POW camps, and put them together into one camp so they aren't a problem anymore. Like dozens of escape artists aren't going to work together to hatch some master plan of escape lol.
\

Blib, when it's on again, if you get a chance, watch the show on the History Channel called 'The Great Escapes Of WWII.' That show tells several real life stories about different escapes by POW's and includes the real story of which the Great Escape movie was based on. Excellent stuff.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 12:52 AM

The Untouchables.

I got this dvd for free and I'm glad because I hate this movie.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 01:01 AM

I've never understood the popularity of that movie either, Longneck.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 01:12 AM

what!? i cant believe you dont like the untochables...i mean yea nowhere near historic, but it is still enjoyable to watch.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 02:42 AM

Not really. I'd say DeNiro made a mistake accepting a part of this movie.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 03:12 AM

The filming was atrocious in my opinion. The story was okay, but how many extremely slow motion scenes do we need in a film?
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 03:17 AM

yea i understand wit deniro since he didnt act like capone. overall though it was just pure entertainment for me...but compare to other mafia movies it would be in the middle of the bunch.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 03:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
The filming was atrocious in my opinion. The story was okay, but how many extremely slow motion scenes do we need in a film?


No offense, but how the fuck can you watch most action movies today?
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 04:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
I've never understood the popularity of that movie either, Longneck.


The cast and the subject matter.

I grew up on stories of Al Capone and watching the tv show "The Untouchables". It follows that when the movie came out, I'd love it.

I didn't. Sure, seeing DeNiro and Connery and Costner in one movie together has an appeal, but even they were unable to carry off the movie. The storyline was blah, the dialog trite and the pace was very uneven.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 04:56 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
The filming was atrocious in my opinion. The story was okay, but how many extremely slow motion scenes do we need in a film?


No offense, but how the fuck can you watch most action movies today?


No offense taken, and my answer is I can't.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 04:58 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
I've never understood the popularity of that movie either, Longneck.


The cast and the subject matter.

I grew up on stories of Al Capone and watching the tv show "The Untouchables". It follows that when the movie came out, I'd love it.

I didn't. Sure, seeing DeNiro and Connery and Costner in one movie together has an appeal, but even they were unable to carry off the movie. The storyline was blah, the dialog trite and the pace was very uneven.


Exactly, very well put SC. It has everything to make a great movie, but instead it failed. Too bad.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 07:33 PM

I've written about my love of the movie, "Nobody's Fool", one of Paul Newman's last appearances, and one of his best. I was just watching it again, and now knowing that he is dead, it takes on some differences.

One of the most endearing standouts in this truly wonderful movie is seeing an old Paul Newman suddenly flash a young Paul Newman smile (it was a totally candid, unscripted reaction). In the scene, Newman lets his young grandson drive his pickup truck and you'll see for yourself (below). The scene starts at the 3:30 mark and that "smile" is at the 4:00 minute mark.

Guys, also checkout the 5:15 mark.... it's a surprise with Melanie Griffith, and you won't be disappointed!

Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/21/09 08:41 PM

Nice scene SC wink
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/22/09 01:37 AM

No matter how many times I see Field of Dreams, I still choke up at the scene between Ray and John.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/22/09 01:42 AM

i really need to get that movie...i have 3 other kevin costner movies, so yea.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/22/09 02:35 AM

Ewwww... Kevin Costner. The only actor I can't stand more than Costner is Tom Cruise.

I do love Field of Dreams though.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/22/09 02:47 AM

His early roles were wonderful. I love him in No Way Out, Field of Dreams, The Untouchables and Bull Durham. He lost it not long after that.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/22/09 03:43 AM

I also liked him in Open Range, Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, Dances with Wolves.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/22/09 04:30 AM

I love westerns and have wanted to see Open Range but have been putting it off because Costner is in it. I did like Dances with Wolves though, so maybe what SB said was true that he was better earlier in his career.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/22/09 10:42 AM

My brother loves "Dances", although it's never been one of my favorites. I'm not much into that whole genre, though.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/22/09 11:57 AM

Duvall was good in Open Range as well.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/22/09 01:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
I love westerns and have wanted to see Open Range but have been putting it off because Costner is in it. I did like Dances with Wolves though, so maybe what SB said was true that he was better earlier in his career.


Believe it or not, just because it has Costner in it, isn't a deep concern that it'll be worth watching or not.

I mean shit, I paid to see THE POSTMAN in theatres. So lets just say I know what I'm talking about when I say that OPEN RANGE is absolutely worth watching, and pretty good in fact.

Of course I could spend a hour or two hour eventually to write my review like I did QUEST FOR PEACE, but...how about you have the honors?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/22/09 01:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
Duvall was good in Open Range as well.


What movie is Duvall isn't good in?
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/22/09 10:37 PM

to kill the mockingbird? lol j/k
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/23/09 01:50 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Mignon
Duvall was good in Open Range as well.


What movie is Duvall isn't good in?


Sling Blade?
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/23/09 02:48 AM

Duvall was in Sling Blade?

About a week ago AMC was showing Broken Trail with Duvall. I love that movie. It has some bad sudden edits (I think because it was made for television) but overall it's a good story.

I was miserable with a fever/pneumonia so it was nice to lay there on the couch late at night and watch Broken Trail, followed by The Man From Snowy River which I hadn't seen since I was a kid. I forgot how much I liked it.

Has anyone else seen either of those?
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/23/09 11:50 AM

Broken Trail is another great movie. Another good one is Lonesome Dove with Duvall.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/24/09 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Duvall was in Sling Blade?

About a week ago AMC was showing Broken Trail with Duvall. I love that movie. It has some bad sudden edits (I think because it was made for television) but overall it's a good story.


BROKEN TRAIL was a made-for-TV production, directed by Walter Hill.

Yes the same Hill who gave us THE WARRIORS, 48 HRS., JOHNNY HANDSOME, EXTREME PREJUDICE, and other good shit.
Posted By: bogey

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/30/09 08:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Is The Great Escape based on a true story?


My grandpa was actually a POW in that camp.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/30/09 08:13 PM

Bogey!!!!
Posted By: bogey

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/30/09 08:33 PM

Lead!
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/01/09 12:11 AM

Yes, Duvall was in Sling Blade. He played Carl's looney father who was babbling incoherently in a chair when Carl visited the house he grew up in. Pretty crazy scene when they showed the house - inside and out. If any of you have family in the south, I know that house and its "imenities" brought back memories!
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/01/09 12:19 AM

I just watched "The Wrestler" with Mickey Rourke and Marisa Tomei. Pretty good movie if you like wrestling but an even better movie if you like Marisa Tomei playing an exotic dancer!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/01/09 01:20 AM

I'm not really into wrestling but it seems like all the movies that were up for awards were short lived at the theaters. I heard them advertise Benjamin Button on video and Slumdog was a flash in the pan, now The Wrestler.

I don't know. I think I trust my instinct more on some films than the academy's. ohwell

TIS
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/01/09 04:21 AM

Originally Posted By: bogey
Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Is The Great Escape based on a true story?


My grandpa was actually a POW in that camp.


Holy crap! The ghost of Bogey!

I would love to talk to your grandfather about that POW camp! Wow.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/01/09 04:25 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I'm not really into wrestling but it seems like all the movies that were up for awards were short lived at the theaters. I heard them advertise Benjamin Button on video and Slumdog was a flash in the pan, now The Wrestler.

I don't know. I think I trust my instinct more on some films than the academy's. ohwell

TIS


Don't forget that the public is easily swayed toward the usual Hollywood garbage. Which means it's all about money. So the movies that are nominated for best picture, deserved or not, are often times overlooked by the public, so the theaters are quick to replace it with big money makers.

Big money (usually) doesn't always = quality.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/02/09 04:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble


Don't forget that the public is easily swayed toward the usual Hollywood garbage. Which means it's all about money. So the movies that are nominated for best picture, deserved or not, are often times overlooked by the public, so the theaters are quick to replace it with big money makers.

Big money (usually) doesn't always = quality.


No shit...and not exactly new shit either.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/02/09 04:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Mark
I just watched "The Wrestler" with Mickey Rourke and Marisa Tomei. Pretty good movie if you like wrestling but an even better movie if you like Marisa Tomei playing an exotic dancer!


I think that's rather dismissive if one only likes it for the wrasslin or the titties. And really, I think the point of Tomei wasn't to be erotic but...sad?

Sure I'm a wrestling afficiondo, but THE WRESTLER was fucking great. No narrative/filmatic fat, everything and everybody with a purpose and doing their job, Rourke showing again how he was a great actor who pissed his career away for too many years, and Tomei getting a chance to rebuttal some of those who won't let go of that MY COUSIN VINNY win.

Of course Darren A. the director himself said that THE WRESTLER was a boxing melodrama, just made at a time when that sport was dead, so he picked another physical beat-down profession.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/02/09 05:07 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble


Don't forget that the public is easily swayed toward the usual Hollywood garbage. Which means it's all about money. So the movies that are nominated for best picture, deserved or not, are often times overlooked by the public, so the theaters are quick to replace it with big money makers.

Big money (usually) doesn't always = quality.


No shit...and not exactly new shit either.



Thanks for the shit response tongue

You know what I said wasn't aimed at you because obviously you understand that already. But the casual movie viewer like TIS is looking for big Hollywood star power, and unfortunately miss out on good films that don't get a huge release.

This isn't FCM, so consider who I'm talking to.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/02/09 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Thanks for the shit response tongue

You know what I said wasn't aimed at you because obviously you understand that already. But the casual movie viewer like TIS is looking for big Hollywood star power, and unfortunately miss out on good films that don't get a huge release.

This isn't FCM, so consider who I'm talking to.



Well yeah, of course.

Thing is, would TIS like the same stuff as you and I do?
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/02/09 05:53 PM

Of the three movies she mentioned she might like Slumdog Millionaire. I haven't seen Benjamin Button or The Wrestler yet.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/02/09 09:31 PM

It's not necessarily star power for me. It's just that some of the films don't capture my interest. I saw the English Patient (or started to). Talk about boring. ohwell Never had a desire to finish it. I didn't mind the Full Monty, but didn't think it was academy award material. Oh and the one about the transvestite who you think is a woman throughout the movie, until.... Damn, can't think of the title. Again, not award material IMHO, although man did that freak me out. eek RR you know your movies. Which one am I'm talking about? Can't remember the title.

Even in the 60's, I walked out on 2001 Space Oddesy (is that the correct title? with Kier Duella (sp)?

On the other hand (and this is going way way back), a small little foreign film called "A Man And A Woman" I found to be very good even with subtitles.

Of the films I mentioned, the one that I can see myself seeing one day is Benjamin Button (and no I'm not really a Pitt fan, although I don't dislike him). It subject matter captures my interest.

It would appear I don't get out much judging from how far back I went to mention Academy movies I've seen. lol Yet, really, I do enjoy the movies from time to time.

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/03/09 01:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Of the three movies she mentioned she might like Slumdog Millionaire. I haven't seen Benjamin Button or The Wrestler yet.


Agree on SLUMDOG.

Maybe BENJAMIN BUTTON too.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/03/09 01:17 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Oh and the one about the transvestite who you think is a woman throughout the movie, until.... Damn, can't think of the title. Again, not award material IMHO, although man did that freak me out. eek RR you know your movies. Which one am I'm talking about? Can't remember the title.


THE CRYING GAME, same one that critic Gene Siskel spoiled on national TV.

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


Even in the 60's, I walked out on 2001 Space Oddesy (is that the correct title? with Kier Duella (sp)?


I'm sorry TIS, but I'm afraid I can't do that. grin

Of course I've never understood walking out on a movie, especially after you paid.

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Of the films I mentioned, the one that I can see myself seeing one day is Benjamin Button (and no I'm not really a Pitt fan, although I don't dislike him). It subject matter captures my interest.


For some reason, Pitt under director David Fincher seems to kick ass in acting. Otherwise Pitt has a bad tendency to coast on his physical charisma (i.e. SPY GAME), though he was also good in Tony Scott's TRUE ROMANCE, Ridley Scott's THELMA & LOUISE, and Coen Brothers' BURN AFTER READING (which you would quite enjoy TIS.)

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


It would appear I don't get out much judging from how far back I went to mention Academy movies I've seen. lol Yet, really, I do enjoy the movies from time to time.

TIS


I think a good question to ask you is, what genres do you enjoy most?
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/03/09 03:55 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Of course I've never understood walking out on a movie, especially after you paid.


The Nightmare Before Christmas is the only movie I've fallen asleep on while in the theater, and I didn't wake up and leave. I just wiped the drool from my chin and went back to sleep. I paid, couldn't get through it, and instead enjoyed some good nap time.

I could never walk out on a movie either but I know so many people who have.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/03/09 06:08 PM

watched the hurricane last night, and i have to say this is a great film. denzil washington is truely one of the best actors in hollywood.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/03/09 07:14 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Oh and the one about the transvestite who you think is a woman throughout the movie, until.... Damn, can't think of the title. Again, not award material IMHO, although man did that freak me out. eek RR you know your movies. Which one am I'm talking about? Can't remember the title.


THE CRYING GAME, same one that critic Gene Siskel spoiled on national TV.

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


Even in the 60's, I walked out on 2001 Space Oddesy (is that the correct title? with Kier Duella (sp)?


I'm sorry TIS, but I'm afraid I can't do that. grin

Of course I've never understood walking out on a movie, especially after you paid.

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Of the films I mentioned, the one that I can see myself seeing one day is Benjamin Button (and no I'm not really a Pitt fan, although I don't dislike him). It subject matter captures my interest.


For some reason, Pitt under director David Fincher seems to kick ass in acting. Otherwise Pitt has a bad tendency to coast on his physical charisma (i.e. SPY GAME), though he was also good in Tony Scott's TRUE ROMANCE, Ridley Scott's THELMA & LOUISE, and Coen Brothers' BURN AFTER READING (which you would quite enjoy TIS.)

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


It would appear I don't get out much judging from how far back I went to mention Academy movies I've seen. lol Yet, really, I do enjoy the movies from time to time.

TIS


I think a good question to ask you is, what genres do you enjoy most?



Actually that's not easy to answer. In a nutshell, I guess I'd say I like drama, but that covers so much (suspense, action, mystery). I am a big fan of crime/courtroom drama, but also love action/espoinage type films like the Bourne series (keep me updated as I hear talk of a 4th.) wink I love some blockbusters like Titanic; then again I enjoy action in the Die Hard films.

I watched only a couple days ago "The Notebook" which I thought was so sweet and sad. Usually, the only genre film I don't pay to see is comedy. IF it's something I think I'll like, I'll wait for it to go to HBO or rental. Don't know why. I find some comedy very corny/oddball, and yet I find others that are to actually corny, like a couple Jim Carrey films, quite hilarious. Go figure!

I like horror films too, but not so much the slasher films that are slasher just for the sake of it. I don't cringe at blood but don't like guts flying all over necessarily. lol

Well, not that it means anything, but that's my taste in a nutshell.

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/03/09 08:59 PM

Like you TIS, I liked A Man and A Women (especially the song) amd I like movies that hold my interest, not necessarily the blockbusters. I tend toward historical movies and chick flicks. Of the latter genre, I like The Man in the Moon, Steel Magnolias, Now and Then, the Ya Ya Sisterhood, the Traveling Pants, and Tender Mercies. Maybe that's because I have so many daughters. Anyway, can't wait to see Angels & Demons.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/05/09 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
watched the hurricane last night, and i have to say this is a great film. denzil washington is truely one of the best actors in hollywood.


I agree one of his best films in my opinion...
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/12/09 02:55 PM

Last night at work i watched MR. 3,000 with Bernie Mac,a baseball movie which wasn't too bad!

Passed the time a bit anyways smile
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/15/09 08:32 PM

just got done watching pet sematary, and man this was good...not as scary, but hey entertaining.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/16/09 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
just got done watching pet sematary, and man this was good...not as scary, but hey entertaining.



I love Pet Sematary. The little kid was creepy. "I wanna play with yooooooooou" lol One of my favorte Stephen King movies.


TIS
Posted By: Don Cardi

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/30/09 03:16 PM

Just finished watching 'Heaven Knows, Mr. Allison' with Deborah Kerr and Robert Mitchium.

It's a story about a Nun and a Marine who are stranded on a Japanese-held island during WWII. Robert Mitchium is a well trained Marine who is washed ashore on the island and finds a Nun, Deborah Kerr, all alone on the island. As he and Kerr begin to get to know each other a romantic tension begins to build between them. While there is a contrasting set of commitments by each character to their respective voacations, his to the Marine Corps. and hers to God and the church, it is a set of commitments that somewhat parallel each other.

Eventually the Japenese overtake the island and Mitchium and Kerr are forced to hide out in an underground cave.

One of the most suspenseful scenes is when Mitchium has to infiltrate the Japanese camp because he needs to steal food from it for he and Kerr's survival.


A very enjoyable movie with excellent performances by Kerr and Mitchium.




Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/30/09 03:20 PM

I love Pet Sematary.


"GAAAAAAAGE!!!" smile
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/30/09 03:21 PM

We just watched "Valkyrie" with Tom Cruise. Good flick. Like him personally or not he is a pretty fine actor.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/30/09 03:26 PM

It's been years since I've seen that movie. eek I remember it though.

I believe the first time I saw it was way way back when they had "Saturday Night At The Movies" on tv. Maybe you're a little young DC to remember, but I'm sure SC, TB and others will remember. Mitchum/Kerr of course are my parent's generation and we'd watch many movies as a family (no video/DVD's back then of course.) When the big blockbusters aired, it was quite a treat. You simply waited until your favorite movies showed on tv.

We've come a long way baby!!! (another old expression taken from a Virginia Slims ad)... ha ha And the youngsters will say, "what's a Virginia Slims?"

TIS
Posted By: Don Cardi

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/30/09 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

We've come a long way baby!!! (another old expression taken from a Virginia Slims ad)... ha ha And the youngsters will say, "what's a Virginia Slims?"

TIS


".....To ge where you've got to todayyyyyy! You've got your own cigarettes now baby, you've come a long long wayyyyyy!"

lol lol


Don't recall the 'Saturday Night at the Movies' show on TV , but I do remember the 'Million Dollar Movie' show on TV. If memory serves me correctly, the opeining theme from The Million Dollar Movie show was 'Tara's Theme' from GWTW.

Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/30/09 03:44 PM

Yes TIS, it was a treat. I remember watching the GF on TV for the first time outside of a theater probably as a Saturday Night at the Movies presentation. Of course, it could also have been Sunday Night at the Movies. I forget. Some Board members may be too young to realize that BC (before cable), networks would bid for a showing of movie hits like the GF, Jaws, The Exocist, etc. So, there was a proliferation of ... at the Movies on just about every night of the week. Now we're spoiled with HBO, Cinemax, PPV, and Netflix.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/30/09 03:58 PM

I was just telling the Hollywood Finochio that the 1977 television network release of GF I & II edited together was the vehicle that hooked me as a GF lover. I was always interested in the mob stuff...Capone, Chicago Outfit, St. Valentine's Massacre, etc...but while other 12 year olds were getting hooked on "Star Wars", Puzo and FFC got me with the 1977 television network premiere of the 2 GF films. Was that called the epic or something like that?...
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/30/09 05:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark
I love Pet Sematary.


"GAAAAAAAGE!!!" smile


Remember...."I wanna play with youuuuuuuuuuu" lol


I like that movie too. smile


TIS
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/07/09 10:03 PM


I finally saw Cinema Paradiso (1988) [The New Version] last night. As I briefly posted on Facebook, it was a sweet film, but eerily familiar (was there an American remake?). Nicely done, but, thought it was somewhat disjointed -- maybe because of the extra footage? It could've gone the Godfather II route with back-and-forth intertwining, but, all in all, very pleasant. Anyone interested in cinema, movie theaters, and Italy/Sicily -- and doesn't mind subtitles -- should enjoy this classic.

Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/09/09 02:05 PM

Watched THE WIND THAT SHOOK THE BARLEY last night. A very powerful film about 1920's Ireland and the birth of the IRA. It pulls no punches and shows the Brits in a brutal light (which is deserved by all accounts).

A film well worth watching!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/14/09 10:42 PM

Although I've seen it twice, HBO is running Dark Knight. I simply can't resist Ledger's performance. I have the tv on low volume waiting or every Ledger seen. I love that villian. tongue


TIS
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/14/09 10:51 PM

Watched "Gran Torino" last night with Clint Eastwood. Wow! What a good movie. If you forgot any racial or ethnic slurs, this movie is a refresher course. If you are easily offended by these epithets, this is not the movie for you! Over all - good flick! The scenes with his "Dago" barber are hilarious!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/14/09 10:54 PM

Mark,

I see that is on HBO this month. I have always liked Eastwood, but am more a fan of his earlier work. However, I may check this out. The previews don't give a lot away about the storyline. ohwell


TIS
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/14/09 11:01 PM

IS, I recommend it if you are not easily offended by his comments. It really does have great storyline regarding Eastwood's character and a young Thailand boy and his family who lives next door to him. Surprise ending that I did not expect, making it a very gripping film. "Movie Meatball Mark" gives it 4 sausages! Also, Eastwood SINGS the the ending song during the credits!
Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/15/09 07:34 AM

I've always been a huge Mickey Rourke fan, especially his earlier to Late eighties stuff. I was bored yesterday and decided to watch some of my all time favorite movies that he stars in. I had almost forgotten how bloody brilliant he really was. A lot better than he is now.

I started off with "Angel Heart" which also stars good old Bobby DeNiro. Definitely a film ahead of it's time which opened the doors for films like Fight Club etc IMO. Eerie shit.

Then I cracked open "Barfly". Definitely my favorite film. A lot of people don't like or rate this very High, But I think it's brilliant. Never will there ever be a better portrayal of a drunken writer. Matt Dillon massacred the remake in "Factotum".

Lastly, "The Pope of Greenwhich Village". A great Comedy/Drama that Is also highly underrated. Seriously folks, Rourke was the King. Such a pity about all his stupid shit that ruined his career...almost.

The Wrestler was great though...
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/20/09 11:11 PM



YELLOW SUBMARINE (1968) - ****1/2

"Are you, er...blueish? You don't look Blueish."

Once upon a time, there was some rock band called The Beatles, who at best I'm vaguely aware of, and at worst mostly ignorant about. They came upon my radar when the Internet got their panties twisted over their upcoming edition of the ROCK BAND videogame series, which Microsoft spent a fortune after a brutal bidding war (pluck it GUITAR HERO!) buying up the rights. But I don't get it.

How can I be remotely intrigued by an act who can't even spell the word Beetle right? I know those English people have a different way of spelling, or just different slang compared to us, but this is silly phonetics and pompous arrogance. I mean do you see Pink Floyd call themselvs "Pink Floyed"? or "Nirvanah" instead of Nirvana? I think not. You goofball limeys.

Supposedly these Beatles were the biggest rock force ever seen, heard, or felt. Nothing before or since, not even Elvis or the Jonas Brothers, the latter which CNN thought last weekend was more newsworthy than those protesting Tehran kids fighting for their liberties. I guess the Beatles were like that, but 1000 fold. Rolling Stone magazine seems to think so, for on their epic Top 500 Albums list, 11 Beatles albums (more than anybody else) scored rankings, including 4 in the Top 10 and the exclusive #1 slot for their SGT. PEPPER'S LOVELY HEARTS CLUB BAND. See you learn something every day, for I didn't even know the Beatles scored that Bee Gees movie.

My parents also apparently loved them too at the time too, listening to their albums inbetween growing long hair, practicing free love, smoking dope, and finding creative ways to dodge Vietnam. That whole generation blames their breakup, along with Vietcong, Watergate, and JFK's assassination for why they are such irresponsible grownups. That would certainly explain Clinton and Dubya. So yeah thanks Beatles, for wreaking my present.

Allegedly, "The Fab Four" (I guess Marvel had trademarked "Fantastic" by then) were all individually talented musicians who've had either great or at least respectable careers after 1970. I wouldn't know, for I'm just writing what I've been told. I do know that one got shot by an obsessed fan, another lost alot of his money to a one-legged golddigger, the third once got stabbed in his bed repeatedly by a stalker, and the last acted in a Pizza Hut commercial. Well maybe not the second one, if you believe those conspiracy theories that the real second one died decades ago. I wanna laugh, but since I sincerely think Kurt Cobain was murdered, I'll shutup.

An interesting comment posted at Aint It Cool News' Talkbacks (a rarity) described The Beatles as "the first Internet band." Don't take that line literally, but if my parents are correct, these guys didn't just conquer the music industry in the 1960s. They were everywhere, a centralized fanatic sensation shared across the globe in Fashion, television, toys, merchandise, politics, movies, etc. They even had their own saturday morning cartoon on ABC. The closest subsequent comparison to that might be KISS and their comic book, but that's hardly qualitative. Not bad for some fellows who misspelled a bug's name

So I'm reviewing YELLOW SUBMARINE, which if you don't count their 1970 documentary LET IT BE, was the Beatles third and last movie. This followed the well-applauded seminal classic IT'S A DAY'S NIGHT and HELP!, which isn't. You know the idea of NIGHT considered to be "the father of MTV" intrigues me so I might check that out sometime, though what can I expect of a picture from the director of SUPERMAN III and the bad parts of SUPERMAN II? Anyway, the Beatles wanted to complete their three-film contract with United Artists, but since they didn't want to do a movie, an animated movie was their solution. SUBMARINE was directed by the same crew who produced that ABC cartoon:



Wow, now I feel awful for bashing on Filmation all these years. Jesus. For a project with their name it, featuring several songs from their catalogue (including new ones), they wanted nothing to do with it, not even bothering to voice-act as themselves. Gee I wonder why they had no enthusiasm at all for SUBMARINE. Then months later they were shown a roughcut:



And they go oh shit! How did they actually get involved with making not just a tolerable movie, but a rather darn good one without realizing it? How the fuck did that happen? To make-up for effectively dismissing SUBMARINE as a dirty paycheck and probably feeling like a bunch of assholes, they filmed a live-action ending coda for it. That was nice of them.

YELLOW SUBMARINE is a classic example of what choice you make when given something that on paper looks flimsy thin, and not much money to work with. You don't have the time or budget to go Disney with the articulated realist drawings. You're given a silly song to build a whole movie around, much less other songs that don't really connect together at all? So what do you do? Do you just say ah screw and not put much thought or energy because it's just another job like that BEATLES toon? Or do you decide to be motivated by your limitations and soldier through, and even thrive in spite of them?

Thankfully the YELLOW crew went the second route. Alot of people call YELLOW a psychedelic classic and made by people stoned for stoned viewers, but that's a disservice. For one thing, if YELLOW had been made by animators tuning in and out, the whole budget would have been blown on hundreds in pounds of macaroni, dozens of green bowls, and 5 minutes of scribbled papers taped together. Trust me, I would know. Second, since YELLOW can't go all Disney, those filmmakers instead to use that to their advantage by playing around with color scheming (purple faces?), and embrace the surrealism, thus marking out an auteur niche for themselves within the genre. Consider when water is splashed, its not droplets flying like you would expect, but instead you get like a paint brush smear. I dig that.

Besides, I don't see how some of these Beatles songs are drug-related or were inspired by narcotics. That's too easy of a copout, not even the notorious "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds." No sir, no way....No...

Lucy in the
Sky with
Diamonds


Oh my.

Alot of the crazy shit in YELLOW make absolutely no sense within our rationality, but they hold their own sort of logic. A flying fist that makes evil grin in space between fingers, "Snapping Turks" (stereotype with jaws in their stomachs), apple tossing giants, the "headlands" (hands sticking above ground), demusic missiles (or Nickleback in WMD form), and pushing the "cavalry" button (fires out horseback-riding U.S. Cavalry like you would see in Westerns). I like that one room in the Beatles Mansion which has giant statues of superheroes like Flash Gordon and The Phantom. Why? That's not the right question to be asking, its Why not? My favorite though has to be the monster who eats everything in sight, and I mean everything. Other creatures, the background, the film frame, and inevitably itself.

Of course that not-so-very-subtle allegory of anti-materialism fits perfectly into a 60s capitalism-fighting flower child like YELLOW SUBMARINE, with a peaceful utopian land of Pepperland (hippies) conquered by the music-hating Blue Meanies (Scottish Bagpipes are deadly to them) and their Mickey Mouse hats (corporate bastards). One of the Pepperland citizenry escapes to our reality to get the help of the Beatles to help free his world. Me I would have gone to the U.S. Air Force instead, but whatever. Love and Yes triumph over hate and No. The last song, a reprise of "All Together Now," subtitled in several languages. We're one world man, one people! Yeah!

BTW, I hope these cartoon Beatles aren't anything like the real-life ones, for they sure acted like dicks when their drummer gets jettisoned. They only go back to save him because they didn't want to start learning to play Trio. No wonder they broke up, I would have quit that shit too if my bandmates had left me behind with some dinosaurs. That sort of prank I wouldn't easily forgive, you know?

The story in YELLOW is irrelevant, for it's all about the soundtrack, and I must admit something that you fans of the bug band will roll your eyes at me, but the music here is pretty good. The YELLOW team must have thought so too, for they were obviously inspired in their art that they nearly sync up perfectly with the tone and rhythm of those songs. Really reminds me of another great tradition-breaking and utterly creative musical in PINK FLOYD THE WALL. Now here is where YELLOW truely breaks away from Disney by its willingness in experimentation of the visual storytelling narrative in using rotoscoping, engravings, symbology, pop culture iconography (as typified in Post-Modernism) and so forth.



YELLOW is really creative, charmingly fun, and unique (you know, effort?) and some ways the Pixar of its time in that it it holds basic appeal to children, and yet there is a surprising amount of sophisticated humor for adults with puns and even some risque innuendo. Like when someone brings up "condiments" someone knee-jerks responds in shock until they realize what was actually said.

The only fault I might find is the unlikely static ending, which begs me to wonder if YELLOW simply ran out of money by this point. Too bad if YELLOW was around today with the title vehicle lighting up a cigar for a monster, the MPAA would slap a R rating faster than Tehran secret police can bash a student's head in.

"It's blue glass."
"Must be from Kentucky, then."

"I've got a hole in my pocket."

"Hey, I wonder what'll happen if I pull this lever."
"Oh, you mustn't do that now!"
"Can't help it. I'm a born Liver-pooler."

"Today, Pepperland goes...Bluely!"

"Well, in my humble opinion, we've become involved in Einstein's time-space continuum theory. Relatively speaking, that is."


(And yes, I was kidding.)
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/21/09 01:00 PM

Great review Ronnie, classic film..
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/21/09 01:06 PM

Would you believe, after all these years, I have NEVER seen Yellow Submarine. eek

Last night they showed Rocky Balboa on tv and I saw it again. I actually liked it better the 2nd time. ohwell


TIS
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/21/09 01:18 PM

Stallone went out in style with Rocky Balboa. What a great way to end a great character's story. I like the speech he gave his son about life not being fair and it's not how hard you can hit but how hard you get hit and get back up to fight some more. Great swan song, Stallone. clap
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/21/09 01:34 PM

I agree Mark. smile I am a Rocky fan and a Stallone fan, BUT no more Rocky movies. This ended the series appropriately IMHO.



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/21/09 05:35 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Would you believe, after all these years, I have NEVER seen Yellow Submarine. eek


Now that surprises me.

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Last night they showed Rocky Balboa on tv and I saw it again. I actually liked it better the 2nd time. ohwell


ROCKY BALBOA is the best of the ROCKY sequels, if because Sly has an actual story to tell, about something. And not just another actioneer plot about fighting the Russians or a bigger and meaner rival or the protegee that stabbed him in the back.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/21/09 05:40 PM

Hey RR!!

My boss gave me a gift bag which included the latest Bourne book, "The Bourne Sanction". smile I didn't know there was a another book out yet. Anyway, I can't wait to read it AND for the movie (I hope)!!!



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/21/09 06:52 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Hey RR!!

My boss gave me a gift bag which included the latest Bourne book, "The Bourne Sanction". smile I didn't know there was a another book out yet. Anyway, I can't wait to read it AND for the movie (I hope)!!!



TIS


Yeah with those damn BOURNE movies' super success, the Ludlum estate (Robert Ludlum died many years ago) hired some new writer to churn out more "official" Bourne books.

BTW TIs, did you know Universal Pictures didn't just buy the rights to all those books including the "new ones," but actually own the character of Jason Bourne? Never heard of a studio actually pulling that off, but its true.

I guess Universal didn't want to make the same mistake EON did regarding that whole THUNDERBALL/NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN fiasco.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/21/09 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Would you believe, after all these years, I have NEVER seen Yellow Submarine. eek

Last night they showed Rocky Balboa on tv and I saw it again. I actually liked it better the 2nd time. ohwell


TIS


I finally saw RB last night. I liked it. Stallone brought the story to a fitting end. But did you think that he was over made-up or does he really look like that these days? His eyebrows almost seemed to be painted on. And was that the original young girl actress from Rocky?
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/21/09 07:32 PM

idk if that was the original...anyway though its a good thing that stallone did make an other rocky movie. the 5th one was just terrible to end on.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/21/09 11:49 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Would you believe, after all these years, I have NEVER seen Yellow Submarine. eek

Last night they showed Rocky Balboa on tv and I saw it again. I actually liked it better the 2nd time. ohwell


TIS


I finally saw RB last night. I liked it. Stallone brought the story to a fitting end. But did you think that he was over made-up or does he really look like that these days? His eyebrows almost seemed to be painted on. And was that the original young girl actress from Rocky?


I am not sure if you are speaking generally as far as Sly looks. I am sure he had make-up on throughout, to a degree. I hadn't seen him a quite a while before the film and can see he is starting to show is age. I figure he probably didn't have make-up (or didn't appear to) during some of the training clips and assume that might be a more natural look for him these days.

As far as Marie goes, I thought I heard she was in the original Rocky, but can't seem to find a link to confirm it, so I'm not sure. ohwell

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/22/09 12:11 AM

According to imdb.com, Jodi Letizia played Marie in the original "Rocky". Geraldine Hughes played Marie in "Rocky Balboa". However, Letizia supposedly sued Stallone because she says that he had promised her the role and then cast Hughes instead.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/22/09 01:27 AM

I thought the woman in Rocky Balboa was an entirely different character?
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/22/09 01:34 AM

nope...when i first saw it i was surprised that they did that since well we didnt know of her. i just wonder if the part of adrian was killed off in the beginning or due to money issues.
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/22/09 08:29 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Would you believe, after all these years, I have NEVER seen Yellow Submarine. eek

Last night they showed Rocky Balboa on tv and I saw it again. I actually liked it better the 2nd time. ohwell


TIS


I finally saw RB last night. I liked it. Stallone brought the story to a fitting end. But did you think that he was over made-up or does he really look like that these days? His eyebrows almost seemed to be painted on. And was that the original young girl actress from Rocky?


I am not sure if you are speaking generally as far as Sly looks. I am sure he had make-up on throughout, to a degree. I hadn't seen him a quite a while before the film and can see he is starting to show is age. I figure he probably didn't have make-up (or didn't appear to) during some of the training clips and assume that might be a more natural look for him these days.

As far as Marie goes, I thought I heard she was in the original Rocky, but can't seem to find a link to confirm it, so I'm not sure. ohwell

TIS


I also believe that Stallone looks that way. There was a rumor going around that there is going to be another Rocky movie.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/22/09 08:34 PM

Where would Sly go with another ROCKY picture?

Leave it Sly, you ended that series with some respect, and redeeming fucking ROCKY V.

RAMBO 5 though, I'm for. I guess. If it happens.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/22/09 09:30 PM

I agree, i thought the Rocky film ended well..
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/22/09 09:48 PM

i heard they are planning on doing rambo 5...maybe they should call it john rambo? lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/22/09 09:59 PM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
i heard they are planning on doing rambo 5...maybe they should call it john rambo? lol


That was the International title for RAMBO aka Rambo 4, actually.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/09 01:33 PM

I would like at least another 4 Rocky films whistle


Rocky is my hero smile
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/09 01:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
I would like at least another 4 Rocky films whistle


Rocky is my hero smile


Ok, I admit I've had a crush on Stallone since I first saw the previews of "Lords Of Flatbush" and thought, "who is that guy?" grin AND, I think we Rocky fans just find the character lovable.....BUT 4 more Rockys? With the ending one maybe, "Rocky gets in the Ring with God". Ha ha lol

I know your sentimnt though Yogi. Rocky is just so symbolic I think of the underdog makes it story, that we hate to see it end.

TIS
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/09 02:20 PM

Even God would have to go some to beat Rocky smile
Posted By: svsg

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/09 03:54 PM

How about four more Rambos? grin
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/09 06:13 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
4 more Rockys? With the ending one maybe, "Rocky gets in the Ring with God". Ha ha


No, it shouldn't be that easy. It should be Rocky vs Chuck Norris grin
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/09 06:24 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
4 more Rockys? With the ending one maybe, "Rocky gets in the Ring with God". Ha ha


No, it shouldn't be that easy. It should be Rocky vs Chuck Norris grin


How up to date and fresh.

Besides, how many watchable Chuck Norris movies* you know of? I guess we can thank Conan O'Brien for starting those fucking facts with his Walker: Texas Ranger lever.

*=CODE OF SILENCE was pretty good.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/09 09:58 PM

come on chuck norris is a god lol actually he is probably a prophet...bruce fucking lee is the true god.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/09 10:17 PM

How about Rocky entering politics?

By the way, why and when did they remove his statue?
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/23/09 10:25 PM

people complained about the statue not being "art" worthy to be in front of the art museum. so, they tooked it down and placed it in front of a stadium after rocky III or IV. they placed it back for V, and i think put it away in hiding. after people protesting it they finally placed it to the side of the steps leading to the museum some years back.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/24/09 06:53 AM


I watched Old Yeller recently and barely flinched and felt like an unfeeling doosh. I just watched Far from Home: The Adventures of Yellow Dog (1995) and wept like a baby at the end. whistle
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/24/09 12:26 PM

Really? You cold hearted douchebag. lol wink

I haven't seen Old Yeller in years, but I always thought it was sad. The only reason I don't want to get it for my grandkids just yet is because of Yeller's fate. frown I never heard of the Yellow Dog.


TIS
Posted By: Beth E

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/24/09 12:43 PM

I think I've only seen "Old Yeller" once. I don't believe I cried either.

Now, "Homeward Bound".....I needed 2 boxes of kleenex. smile
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/24/09 12:46 PM

You too Beth? Hmmm. Like I said, it's been years, perhaps it wouldn't have the impact now. Don't know. confused Then again, I am kind of sappy and cry easily over these things. ohwell


TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/24/09 01:17 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Really? You cold hearted douchebag.


lol

I saw both. I cried at "Old Yeller". The dog died!! Not so in "Homeward Bound".

Also, "Bambi" caused some tears when I first saw it... I was only 5 or 6, but still....
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/24/09 06:23 PM

old yeller didnt stun me...bambi did...then again almost every fucking disney movie stunned me lol. recently though marley and me almost got some tears out. i knew the ending, but yea didnt help lol.
Posted By: Fame

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/25/09 02:01 AM

Anyone seen the new terminator film?
Is it worthy?

Oh, and same question about the "Sarah Connor Chronicles".
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/25/09 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Fame
Anyone seen the new terminator film?
Is it worthy?


No. Sam Worthington is going places, but not with that one.

Also, funny that Worthington's next released film is AVATAR, James Cameron's new long-awaited release, and of course Cameron directed the first (and only good) TERMINATOR movies.

Originally Posted By: Fame
Oh, and same question about the "Sarah Connor Chronicles".


Cancelled.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/25/09 09:24 PM



THE TAKING OF PELHAM 1 2 3 (2009) - **1/2

The 1974 original movie THE TAKING OF PEHAM ONE TWO THREE from director Joseph Sargent is one of the great 1970s thrillers (a rich decade for that breed), and frankly one of my personal favorites within the genre. It's hard to describe with justice why it's so great, akin to dancing about architecture. I would say that it's the sort of popcorn thriller I would aspire to emulate if I actually was a director instead of reviewing cheesy actioneers starring Dolph Lundgren. TAKING is such a lean and goddamn mean action narrative, with barely any script fat to distract from its nail-biting suspense, frantic electricity, and escalating energetic pace much like the runaway subway train in the hectic climax. It's what most thrillers want to be when they grow up.

As with other great ass-kicking 70s cinema, TAKING has no time to fuck around. As a bonus, we get some terrific and surprisingly appropriate New Yorker cynical humor that both lightens up the mood, while simultaneously unnerving the audience, and David Shire's great soundtrack. You know, back when even action-thrillers had memorable rockin' scores instead of the same generic-bland compositions we get stuck with these days. In fact, after the release of the movie (and Morton Freedgood's source-novel), no #6 train in the New York City Subway has ever been scheduled to leave Pelham Bay Park at either 01:23 or 13:23 (the exact time of the fictional crime.) Also later Quentin Tarantino's RESERVOIR DOGS "lifted" the color-codenames from TAKING, and shit even the movie was cited in a song by the New York City-native Beastie Boys. Now that's pop culture impact that you can't fucking buy.

So the point is that before I begin, I want to say that I wasn't necessarily against a remake of TAKING, I just didn't give a shit. The very basic plot dynamics of gun-wielding criminals hijacking a NYC train and demanding a rich ransom from the city within a hour before they start executing the passengers could be told in any decade. But any possible interest waned when director Tony Scott was hired, and the last movie of his I liked was back in President Clinton's first term. Then I see the trailer, with Scott, Travolta, Denzel....I had a sneaking suspicion that this might be pretty routine and forgettable.

Yup.

I had a good laugh when in press junket interviews Scott, Denzel, and scripter Brian Helgeland kept emphasizing how "analog" the original PELHAM was, and how they "digital" updated with the remake. See they replaced ONE TWO THREE with 1 2 3. That's how modern they are. Cute and all, I bet they pat themselves on the back with pride...except it was already been done. What people are forgetting is that PELHAM 1 2 3 is actually the third cinematic version of the same story. A decade or so ago, there was the television movie with Edward James Olmos and Vincent D'Onofrio which included computer technology and shit. To be fair, the new PELHAM now includes Wi-Fi, which technically counts as an upgrade.

It's unfair to repeatedly compare a remake with its father. A remake has got to stand on its own, right? Yet two aspects kept bugging the hell out of me with the Scott retake. In the original when Robert Shaw and his military disciplined deameanor seized the train, he was a no bullshit sort of enigmatic villain. He's legitimate, lethal if necessary, and quite believable. John Travolta with 1 2 3, he's your typical movie hostage-taker baddie. He chews up the scenery, his arrogance leads to his downfall, trying to buddy up with hero Denzel, making goddamn speeches, you know all that usual nonsense. Think of this as DIE HARD on a train.

Second, 1 2 3 falls into the quicksand trap that suffocated Peter Hyams' SUDDEN DEATH, which is when the filmmakers lack the confidence in their story and audience and thus try to overcompensate with junk plotting, i.e. "Fat." Guess what? Dispatcher-turned-hero Denzel Washington has a beef with his obstacle-for-the-screenplay's-sake superior. He's also under investigation for allegedly taking a bribe from a Japanese train company, which is why poor Denzel is stuck at that crummy demoted gig when the shit goes down. His wife is also worried about him. I guess Tony Scott thought criminals hijacking a subway train of passengers at gunpoint wasn't dramatic enough.

Man, I can't believe Brian Helgeland has come to this crap. A long time ago, Helgeland won an Oscar for penning the adaptation of the classic masterpiece L.A. CONFIDENTIAL. He later directed the wholly satisfying and unrepented badass revenger PAYBACK, before Mel Gibson took it away and castrated. Apparently something similar also happened to his THE ORDER with Heath Ledger, so Helgeland's career amounts to now scribbling such vanilla wafers and tap water like 1 2 3. Poor guy.

Then I realized something. 1 2 3 is for those people who thought Spike Lee's INSIDE MAN was too arty, too political-conscious, and too memorable. I'm certain quite a few of the same people who trash INSIDE MAN's plot twist will embrace the logic and mental gaps of both cops and criminals. The same types who will pay to see Michael Bay's new film this weekend, and then claim a decade later that they didn't. Also, anyone notice that both 1 2 3 and INSIDE MAN have Denzel as a hero under investigation by their higher-ups?

I'm reminded too of Hyams' NARROW MARGIN another remake of a supposed classic thriller which I sorta liked, but just barely over 1 2 3. The difference was that while I saw the first PELHAM, I haven't seen THE NARROW MARGIN. If I had seen that, would I have still given a passing grade to the Hyams' remake? I really don't know. But as you can see, I'm trying to be fair here and not be too righteous.

I must admit, at times I was involved and somewhat even entertained with Scott's 1 2 3. With it's comfortable big budget to buy an actual (or at least looks like) an authentic shoot in New York and a respectable supporting cast (John Turturro, Luiz Guzman, James Gandolfini), it's certainly not a bad movie per say. But that's about it. In fact it's probably Tony Scott calms down from his mid-life crisis Avid-machine abuse that marked MAN ON FIRE, DOMINO, and DEJA VU. He still insists on that awful kind of slow motion I despise, which I've blasted before. Not smooth dreamlike Brian DePalma slow motion, but the sort that's supposed to emulate "time stopping" but instead comes off as looking into a beer bootle while drunk.

This is Tony's watchable work since perhaps CRIMSON TIDE or ENEMY OF THE STATE, but considering Tony's filmography this decade, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement. I'm afraid I must still wait for the return of old school Tony Scott, who made TRUE ROMANCE, REVENGE, THE HUNGER, THE LAST BOY SCOUT. You know, back when one could give a fuck about Tony Scott.

Also, I like how Gandolfini the inept and outgoing Mayor is the one who figures out Travolta's endgame scheme. Not the cops or even Denzel, but the Mayor, an authority part in such tales that usually is relegated to punchline (like the original PELHAM) or useless figurehead (think most disaster pictures). Also he asks a relevant question that I've asked about all three PELHAM flicks: Instead of rushing traffic by squad car or motorcycle to deliver the money, why not just use the faster and less hazardous helicopter? The answer why of course is self-evident.

(BTW, if you want a good laugh, check out the hilarious and dead-on review of this remake in the AD forums by Blue Velvet Bayou. http://www.awardsdailyforums.com/showthread.php?t=15940)
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/09 03:51 PM

I just happened to turn on tv while having my morning coffee and saw that Valley Of The Dolls was on. Wow! I don't think I've seen it since it was released in 67. eek

While dated, it was kind of fun to watch. Patty Duke, Barbara Parkins, and Sharon Tate (who was quite pretty btw). I forgot that Martin Milner (Route 66) was in the movie and Paul Burke whom I've always liked. I think from the tv show The Naked City (right SC?), oh and Susan Hayward who I've always liked too.

For those who don't know "Dolls" was referring to pills (uppers, downers, whatever). Based on a book by Jacqueline Susann (the Danielle Steele of her time)that was very popular.

I'm fairly sure this was probably one of the last movies Tate made before she was brutally murdered by the Manson family.

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/09 11:45 PM

I always wanted to see the "sequel" BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS, the X-rated Russ Meyer sexploitation picture scripted by Roger Ebert.

No, that wasn't a mistype.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/27/09 11:54 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I always wanted to see the "sequel" BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS, the X-rated Russ Meyer sexploitation picture scripted by Roger Ebert.

No, that wasn't a mistype.



Really? I know of the movie (never saw it) but Roger Ebert? eek

Poor guy. Have you seen him lately? Did he have a stroke or what. He can hardly talk.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/28/09 12:04 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I always wanted to see the "sequel" BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS, the X-rated Russ Meyer sexploitation picture scripted by Roger Ebert.

No, that wasn't a mistype.



Really? I know of the movie (never saw it) but Roger Ebert? eek

Poor guy. Have you seen him lately? Did he have a stroke or what. He can hardly talk.


TIS


From wikipedia:

He underwent further surgery on June 16, 2006, just two days before his 64th birthday, to remove cancer near his right jaw, which included removing a section of jaw bone.

On July 1, Ebert was hospitalized in serious condition after his carotid artery burst near the surgery site and he "came within a breath of death". He later learned that the burst was likely a side effect of his treatment, which involved neutron beam radiation. He was subsequently kept bedridden to prevent further damage to the scarred vessels in his neck while he slowly recovered from multiple surgeries and the rigorous treatment. At one point, his status was so precarious that Ebert had a tracheostomy done on his neck to reduce the effort of breathing while he recovered.

In a July 21, 2007 commentary on a rebuttal to Clive Barker, he revealed that he had lost the ability to speak, but not to write. Currently, he talks using a computerized voice system. He initially chose to use a voice with a British accent that he named "Lawrence", but eventually began using one with an American accent.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/28/09 06:14 PM

saw the sixth sense again, and man this is a really great movie...a few moments there that me jumping.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/28/09 06:22 PM

It was a very good movie. I think one that I've only seen on time. I could get into it again. Although, for that particular movie, the first time is the best. wink



TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/01/09 02:19 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
It was a very good movie. I think one that I've only seen on time. I could get into it again. Although, for that particular movie, the first time is the best. wink



TIS


I saw it on opening weekend.
Before it became a super blockbuster hit
Before it became a major Oscar nominee
Before it became a pop culture "classic" that everyone, even new viewers, know the ending.

Back when it was a pretty fucking good movie by a promising filmmaker.

You know, before THE HAPPENING.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/01/09 03:18 AM

I like Unbreakable a lot more than The Sixth Sense. What has happened to Shyamalan? His movies have gotten worse with each movie since his first two.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/01/09 03:22 AM

idk, but he did lose it.

anyway though some time this week will watch the maltese falcon
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/01/09 07:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
I like Unbreakable a lot more than The Sixth Sense. What has happened to Shyamalan? His movies have gotten worse with each movie since his first two.


It went to his head?

You know, he thought his farts smelled like mint?
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/01/09 02:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
What has happened to Shyamalan? His movies have gotten worse with each movie since his first two.
Dunno, but whatever it is, Tarantino seems to be suffering from the same disease.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/02/09 09:25 AM

Went to the cinema last night to see PUBLIC ENEMIES. Had been really looking forward to it but it was not as good as i thought. Just a bit slow in the middle. Great acting,great photography and sets,just a bit slow.


P.S. I posted about a show called Occupation on the BBC which was worth seeing. One of the lead chaps in that was Baby Face Nelson in this. He also plays the mad skinhead in THIS IS ENGLAND. I forget his name but he is a fine actor.
Posted By: AD

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/02/09 04:55 PM

Is it anything like Heat? And do Depp & Bale come close to the De Niro & Pacino performance?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/02/09 05:02 PM

Originally Posted By: AD
Is it anything like Heat? And do Depp & Bale come close to the De Niro & Pacino performance?


How many movies even come close to HEAT?
Posted By: AD

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/02/09 05:11 PM

I you ask me ...NONE
But I was wondering if Mann could duplicate the masterpiece.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/02/09 05:31 PM

Originally Posted By: AD
I you ask me ...NONE
But I was wondering if Mann could duplicate the masterpiece.


Scorsese couldn't duplicate GOODFELLAS.

Shit, not even CASINO could duplicate GOODFELLAS.

Then again, PUBLIC ENEMIES is effectively HEAT in the 1930s, just the Pacino part cut off with the subplots and family shit, and not as many subplots for the DeNiro character.
Posted By: AD

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/02/09 08:33 PM

That was what I was looking for. So are you going to see Public Enemies?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/02/09 09:51 PM

Already did.
Posted By: AD

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/02/09 10:17 PM

Ohh cool...What movies are you planning to see? I only want to see one this summer and that is Quentin Tarantino's Inglorious Basterds.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/02/09 10:45 PM

Originally Posted By: AD
Ohh cool...What movies are you planning to see? I only want to see one this summer and that is Quentin Tarantino's Inglorious Basterds.


Why?

EDIT - What else comes out this month?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/08/09 01:02 PM







"OUTLAND is what most people mean when they talk about good escapist entertainment." - Vincent Canby

OUTLAND (1981) - ***1/2

What is up with my kick in reviewing Peter Hyams? Sure I've written numerous supposed reasons why, but I actually don't know why? Here are two new ones: I've always been enticed about completely reviewing a director's lengthy filmography, and quite frankly, I'm inspired by the reality that nobody else will bother to do this. Maybe for Scorsese or Bergman or whatever, but Hyams? People don't care about him, and those that do including me, I can count on a hand. Or one finger.

With Hyams, I had reviewed the good (THE RELIC), the bad (STAY TUNED), and neither (THE MUSKETEER), but there was one picture I've been eyeing for a long time in OUTLAND. Maybe it's the gimmick of a western in outer space, maybe it stars Sean Connery in an alleged underrated Hyams action effort, or maybe...look at that poster. Connery with his crew cut wearing a short sleeve, baby blue colored shirt and big shiney gold bage...Connery looks an awful lot like that 1980s WWF pro wrestler the Big Bossman.



So I'm intrigued by several fronts in checking out OUTLAND, but that little bastard eluded me real good for months. Somehow I keep missing OUTLAND on television, and of course none of my local video stores have it, especially fucking Blockbuster. After I put that DVD in my queue, Netflix yanks it from circulation. Then they streamed it for their Instant digital service, but by the time I got around to watch it, they pull OUTLAND once again and their DVD is still MIA. I'm fustrated and quite annoyed. Then by dumb luck yesterday, I found it at the Big Lots bargain bin for $3 and bought that sunumbitch. The point of this story: hey Netflix, don't go Blockbuster on us.

Now in my eighth(!) review of a Hyams picture, we finally have OUTLAND and it was well worth the wait for this is Hyams' best effort I've reviewed yet. Unlike RELIC the former champion, OUTLAND is better produced, better looking, better acted, and much more entertaining. I'm greatly reminded of that sleeper blockbuster hit TAKEN from earlier this year. Like TAKEN (or THE RELIC for that matter), Hyams' OUTLAND has some very basic thematic goals to accomplish here without any self-denying pretentious bullshit, and it gets the fucking job done. This isn't for everyone, only for those in the mood for a movie where Sean Connery plays a shotgun-wielding space cop.

I think the best complement that can be said for OUTLAND came from that quote above the review given by the late great New York Times critic Canby, who wasn't exactly an easy-pleasing unsophisticated action nerd like RRA. See? OUTLAND has pretentious street cred up in the Big Apple, yo! Of course he and Roger Ebert were the rare mainstream critic who liked Brian DePalma's SCARFACE back in the day, so according to some people's standards, those three including me review shit films.

You'll notice right away that like RELIC, Hyams in his approach for OUTLAND was obviously influenced by Sir Ridley Scott's ALIEN, but it's even more overt than just mere imitatory thriller filmatics. You have the giant slowly-revealing title behind the credits, a plot involving an evil money-hungry interstellar corporation, a blue collar labor mentality, dirty and worn out industralized future machines, etc. Shit Hyams even hired ALIEN composer Jerry Goldsmith to score OUTLAND. An underrated job in fact, much like his LEGEND soundtrack.

The difference is simple. People like scripter Dan O'Bannon, producer Walter Hill, and director Scott put a slasher horror flick in a science fiction setting, and ALIEN is a genuine recognized classic in both genres. OUTLAND recreated the dying western, specifically HIGH NOON, with a sci-fi flavor...and it's not that speical in either cinema tradition. If ALIEN pushed and defined the expectation boundaries, OUTLAND is comfrotable playing the same ole schtick, and has fun with it.

OUTLAND opens on the Jupiter moon Io, the home of the most productive mining base where several workers have gone insane during the job (drilling out the rocky landscape in astronaut suits) and go suicidal by exposing themselves to the space vacuum. More than once, Hyams makes sure to show us that the human body doesn't handle space decompression very well to highlight this fatal danger, and an excuse to display some bloody good special effects. New marshal Connery investigates, and if you already figured out that the high quotas has something to do with the alarming body count, then terrific.

You win a cookie.

OUTLAND certainly embraces it's western roots, with the larger-than-life personalities (Connery the badass and Peter Boyle the company villain), the rowdy saloon, the legalized brothel, fists used to enforce the law, the evil corrupt official and his army of violent goons, the isolating deary environment, the bored town doctor (Frances Sternhagen) who becomes the hero's sole ally, you name it. Specifically OUTLAND goes HIGH NOON with the action-packed climatic showdown between Boyle's hired gunmen and the lonely Connery, abandoned by his fellow cops and miners. There Will be blood!

I might be alone in saying this, but in some ways OUTLAND actually improves western conventions with the different curtains. While it's unlikely in 1850s Kansas, conceivably you could escape by horse or foot out of a jam. You can't exactly do that in space, so Connery either has to give up or fight. Then there is two plotting customs in such tales. First the wife/lover inevitably leaving the hero (before reuniting by the end credits) but OUTLAND handles this cleverly. Stuck for years in the same dull, gray overcrowding bases with the same rationed food and entertainment, wouldn't you eventually yearn in nostalgia for the green lively Earth? I would, and I appreciate that Hyams programs Connery to be sympathetic to that emotionalism. I dig that. So our planet is the new East Coast, see?

Second, when the concerning Sternhagen asks Connery why he is stubborn about standing up to the upcoming onslaught...yeah you usually get a hokey speech of how the hero is resolute because it's the right thing to do or no one else will do it. It's hard to come up with a valid and genuine reason without resorting to contrived nonsensical-macho cliches this side of John Wayne, but I thought Connery gives a pretty good argument:

"They sent me here to this pile of shit because they think I belong here. I want to find out if... well if they're right. There's a whole machine that works because everybody does what they are supposed to. And I found out... I was supposed to be something I didn't like. That's what's in the program. That's my rotten little part in the rotten machine. I don't like it. So I'm going to find out if they're right."

With Connery reciting this dialogue, you response is "well of course!"

As I touched upon briefly earlier, I also liked the sets. Like ALIEN they are designed with some intelligence in being practical instead of looking cool, and they look like dwellings and public space that people of this supposed future would actually visit, work, and loiter. There's even a large clock to time the weekly shuttle supply visits, which to my surprise (somehow) it becomes the ominous countdown to the arrival of the mercenaries. Also in Io's jails, prisoners are suspended in air between the ceiling and floor of their cells. I'm surprised Guantanamo never implemented that method.

But this western-trasfusion isn't totally successful. In the confrontation with the last henchman, a thrilling finale fight in space suits outside on a power transformer, there just isn't the magic of the classic ghost town, where the spatial geography is more open to your immediate imagination, instead of some building which randomly pops up. I also wonder how the shotgun survived intact in engineering evolution to this supposed future, but I guess a laser gun just isn't as cool. And they're right.

Also OUTLAND also employs some easy storytelling cheats. How does Connery assume the alliance between a dirty cop and Boyle by observing them? Oh right, gut instinct. Also, if Boyle and the company owns and built that moon facility...wouldn't they have made sure that the comprehensive surveillance system not fall easily into the hands of any goodie two-shoes cop? Much less mother fucking James Bond? At least ROBOCOP computed around that plothole, where the corporation installed self-protecting technological insurance. Of course this is Hyams, who by rule of thumb, isn't that creative around defeating conventional expectations.

And yet, I'm reminded again of why Connery can be awesome. With his last few years becoming a parody of himself, he was always suited for such physical charisma-demanding role because more than anything else, he looked like he could kick your ass. That is before he became a senior citizen, and it became laughable. Still, OUTLAND was before he started collecting social security checks. He gives one unfortunate lackey one of the better bloody broken noses I've seen in awhile, and in a brutal beatdown of a drug dealer in the kitchen galley, I fully expected a repeat of Hyams' SUDDEN DEATH where Connery would dispatch him using the meat slicer or dishwasher, but no.

I'm disapointed.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/10/09 02:46 PM

I've been waiting patiently for "Knowing" (starring Nicolas Cage) to come to ppv. It finally did and I watched it last night. I must say I was somewhat disappointed.

It's a story about how a little girl back in 1959 foretold many disasters that would happen within the next 50 years (including the 9/11 attacks). The premise is something that I love, but sadly the movie didn't live up to my expectations.

The special effects (computer generated) looked fake and the ending was a downer but I'd still recommend it for a few hours of pure escapism.

(Cage's role was somewhat similar to the "National Treasure" movies ... he plays a scientist who was able to break the coded message and knew in advance of world calamities).
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/10/09 11:36 PM

I thought KNOWING was rather silly. The big reveal isn't bad, hell its something one would find I suppose in old school sci-fi magazines. KNOWING came dangerously close to becoming a funny unintented-produced comedy this side of his awful WICKER MAN remake.

But as a whole, questions kept popping up:

*If locations, diasters, and body count were pre-determined/fated, why even bother trying to live? No offense, but those mysterious people wasted alot of time and resources for their goofy little game. I guess they rocked their socks off though.

*Why do such movies deploy the lazy idiotic stereotype of a guy losing his religion and going all-for-science? That isn't thoughtful or humanistic, that's a cartoonish concern. Contrast this with Paul Schrader's DOMINION, where the protagonist doesn't necessarily denounce "religion" as a whole, but rather is conflicted by a true eternal theological dilemma: Why God lets evil people live, yet kill good people.

*Off-topic, but why is it people usually selective in thanking or needing God? If something good happens, they earned it. If bad, its the Big Man upstair's fault.

*Why steal the door from the school and take it home? Why not just take the damn tools over there? Because really, if someone saw you driving with a door ripped off the hinges in the flatbed of your truck...wouldn't you question his judgment?

*Then again SC, remember that scene when Cage explores the airplane wreckage? That guy on fire runs by him, and Cage yells. Not yell in "Let me help you!" but more like "Hey asshole, I don't care if you're burning, come back here!"

*Remember when Nicholas Cage was an actor?
*Remember when Nicholas Cage was a GOOD actor? Shit he won a deserving Oscar a long time ago.
*Remember when "Nicholas Cage" didn't associate with "Shit Movie"?

*Also, is Alex Proyas the new Alex Cox? Incapable of producing a good film despite his first two terrific productions in THE CROW and DARK CITY. Hell KNOWING felt like a retarded pseudo-intellectual hack's take on DARK CITY of sorts. Pathetic.

did kinda like the soundtrack though, and Cage's response when he sees the world burning to hell.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/11/09 12:50 AM

I wanted to see that movie too. Sounds like it isn't worth it. It seems like it came and went from the theaters. Not a good sign. lol



TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/11/09 12:54 AM

Watching "Bull Durham" for the umpteenth time, and just saw my favorite scene - "Women don't get woolly; they get weary. And nobody's getting stressed; they're wearing a dress!"
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/11/09 02:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Watching "Bull Durham" for the umpteenth time, and just saw my favorite scene - "Women don't get woolly; they get weary. And nobody's getting stressed; they're wearing a dress!"


Chicks dig the long ball.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/11/09 02:28 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I wanted to see that movie too. Sounds like it isn't worth it. It seems like it came and went from the theaters. Not a good sign. lol



TIS


Sounds like most non-NATIONAL TREASURE pictures for Mr. Cage these days.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/11/09 02:30 AM

You know what? I have never seen Bull Durham. I don't know, the fact that it's sports oriented doesn't tempt me, blush but I hear it's good.


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/11/09 07:44 PM

It's one of my favorite movies, TIS. Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Kevin Costner, all at their youthful best. It's fun, funny and quite romantic.

I also recently saw two movies that honestly made me laugh out loud, which I didn't think I would find funny at all - "Hancock" and "The Hangover". I caught "Hancock" on cable, and found the premise amusing, and Will Smith pretty funny. Jason Bateman was the perfect straight man.

As for "The Hangover", I thought it would be the sort of humor I usually find distasteful, but I laughed so hard that I wept.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/11/09 10:13 PM

Bull Durham was on last night. I didn't watch all of it.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 05:06 AM

I've always thought that Costner just walks through his movies.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 09:45 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I've always thought that Costner just walks through his movies.


Granted he's not the best actor I've seen but I enjoy many of his movies (and am probably in a tiny minority here).

"Field of Dreams" is my all-time favorite movie EVER. I very much enjoy "Dances With Wolves", "Waterworld" and his two other baseball movies, "For Love of the Game" and "Bull Durham".
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 12:58 PM

My Fav Costner film is JFK..
Posted By: Irishman12

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
My Fav Costner film is JFK..


JFK first, MR. BROOKS or THE UNTOUCHABLES second
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 03:45 PM

Mr. Brooks, The Untouchables, Field of Dreams, Bull Durham and No Way Out are all very good films, and Costner's very good in them. I also, despite myself, love "The Bodyguard".
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I also, despite myself, love "The Bodyguard".


A chick-flick of the worst order. panic
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 04:21 PM

I kind of enjoyed "The Bodyguard", but as usual, Costner just walked through it. Fortunately, Stone made him act in "JFK". Costner kind of reminds me of Tom Cruise. Both are just there; they perform, but don't act.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I also, despite myself, love "The Bodyguard".


A chick-flick of the worst order. panic


I know!! But my daughter and I used to watch it on cable when she was really little and she loved it and used to call it "Lady Who Sings", so maybe that's why I'm attached to it?? Or maybe because it was Whitney's voice at its best, before the drugs and insanity got to her?? I'm not sure, but I do love it.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: olivant
I've always thought that Costner just walks through his movies.


Granted he's not the best actor I've seen but I enjoy many of his movies (and am probably in a tiny minority here).

"Field of Dreams" is my all-time favorite movie EVER. I very much enjoy "Dances With Wolves", "Waterworld" and his two other baseball movies, "For Love of the Game" and "Bull Durham".


One Costner movie I never see mentioned is Thirteen Days. I'm not a Costner fan but I enjoyed it. It's about JFK and his advisors dealing with the Cuban missile crisis, and although there is almost no action, it's a very intense movie.
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
One Costner movie I never see mentioned is Thirteen Days. I'm not a Costner fan but I enjoyed it. It's about JFK and his advisors dealing with the Cuban missile crisis, and although there is almost no action, it's a very intense movie.


I never saw it, but thanks for the heads-up.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 05:54 PM

Oh yes, I never saw 13 days either, but would like to. smile I am always drawn to any movie re JFK.


Btw, they are airing "Beyond The Sea" in just about 10 minutes. It's about the life of Bobby Darin and stars Kevin Spacey. Anyone see it? I think it was a flop, but I am going to check it out anyway. ohwell I always liked Bobby Darin's music, and actually he was a very decent actor too.



TIS
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
One Costner movie I never see mentioned is Thirteen Days. I'm not a Costner fan but I enjoyed it. It's about JFK and his advisors dealing with the Cuban missile crisis, and although there is almost no action, it's a very intense movie.


I never saw it, but thanks for the heads-up.
Never seen it either, but always wanted to. I'm a fan of no-action-all-words thrillers that are done well.

(I think of 12 Angry Men and Good Night and Good Luck., to name two.)
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/09 08:06 PM

Also, adding to those, All the President's Men!
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/09 06:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
One Costner movie I never see mentioned is Thirteen Days. I'm not a Costner fan but I enjoyed it. It's about JFK and his advisors dealing with the Cuban missile crisis, and although there is almost no action, it's a very intense movie.


I never saw it, but thanks for the heads-up.
Never seen it either, but always wanted to. I'm a fan of no-action-all-words thrillers that are done well.

(I think of 12 Angry Men and Good Night and Good Luck., to name two.)


Although I saw Thirteen Days when it was first released and my movie tastes have changed since then. I need to watch it again to see if it has the same impact on me as it did then.
Posted By: Fame

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/09 07:08 AM

Originally Posted By: SC


I very much enjoy "Dances With Wolves", "Waterworld"



I think I still have Waterworld on one of those old video tapes somewhere, but I never watched it. For some reason, I never really had the desire to watch that movie. But I suppose, if you recommend it SC, then I'll give it a whirl.

For me, the best Costner film I saw is "A Perfect World". No contest there. An outstanding movie. Directed by Clint Eastwood who stars in it too.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/09 08:09 PM

I went to see "Pulbic Enemies" yesterday. While not a bad movie, I must admit, I was disappointed in it. I can't quite put my finger on the reason. I am a Johnny Depp fan, and he did fine in the role. I didn't remember (if it's true) how boldly he admitted to being a bank robber which seems such a dangerous thing to do. eek It was a refresher course reminded that he escaped from jail and the police a couple of times. I think everyone knows how it ends and I was anticipating that, although I do have a question about the ending.

There was lots of action/shooting/killing,bank robbing etc but something still seemed lacking? I did know a little of Dillinger going in, but didn't come out feeling any more enlightened on his life maybe??? Don't know why confused Could it be there just wasn't that much to his life to warrant a full length movie??? Just asking.


TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/09 09:16 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
There was lots of action/shooting/killing,bank robbing etc but something still seemed lacking? I did know a little of Dillinger going in, but didn't come out feeling any more enlightened on his life maybe??? Don't know why confused Could it be there just wasn't that much to his life to warrant a full length movie??? Just asking.


Like a lot of other subjects we discuss here, if you weren't alive during the time of the original occurrence it loses something in re-enacting it. Ask your parents about him... they were around when he was making headline news and probably have some memories of the time.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/09 10:06 PM

That's true SC. I went with my daughters and was explaining to them (they are not gangster/mafia movie fans like I am) how this was true and that there was actually the machine gun fights in the streets during that era. After telling them that, I did think to myself, "man, how awful would that be, to be a passerby during any of these killings and have to duck that much gunfire." eek I told them I'd try to look up headlines from Dillinger's era and the headline of his last day.


TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/09 10:14 PM

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/09 10:17 PM

SC

That is so cool. cool God, you're quick. To be more of a pain, is there a link where I can actually read the story. I'd love to see in print how it "sounded" the next day and what kind of panic or shock & awe (if any) was put in the story. Know what I mean?



TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/09 10:30 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
God, you're quick.


You sound like my first wife. blush

Try this link (below) to the FBI newspaper article archive. When you open it, there's a "magnifying glass" icon that you can click on to make the page larger and easier to read.


Newpaper Article on Dillinger's Death - CLICK HERE
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/09 10:48 PM

Thanks SC, just what I as looking for. smile There's a couple related stories within the story,just on the front page. I like to see how news of this kind was reported.

Exmple just from the front headline:

Dillinger's Hair Dyed, Face Scars "Lifted"
by Surgery, Finger Tip Whorls Changed
by Acid —But Law Gets Its Man



TIS
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/03/09 01:42 AM

I saw the last half of 'The Cooler' last night. Pretty good stuff.
Wish I had caught it from the beginning. Will look out for it again in IFC.

William H. Macy is a consistently fabulous character actor and has become one of my favorites.

In fact, same goes for Alec Baldwin...

Apple
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/03/09 02:34 PM

The Cooler is a great film Apple.

Watched GRAN TORINO last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. Old Clint was perfect in the role of the grizzled,grumpy old racist!
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/04/09 05:22 PM

Did you catch the song at the end of Gran Torino? As soon as the credits start rolling a song comes on and it's Clint Eastwood singing! Rewatch the end, Yogi.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/05/09 03:01 PM

Was that singing Mark?

I thought he was gargling razorblades?

grin
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/06/09 02:11 AM

lol
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/14/09 03:48 PM

I rewatched the GF trilogy for the millionth time. It is truly a classic. I wish however that the studio would release the chronological novel for television. It had more Sonny scenes in it.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/14/09 04:08 PM

I've always felt that Caan would've won the Oscar for Sonny, had those scenes been left in the film. Especially the scene when he couldn't bring himself to sit at the Don's desk after his shooting. He should've won. I mean, Joel Grey? Pffft.
Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/19/09 12:12 PM

I just watched a fantastic film called "Funny Games". Surprised I had never seen it before. Anyone else seen this bizarre film? I saw the American version starring Tim Roth and Naomi Watts.

Brilliant stuff.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/19/09 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: whisper
I just watched a fantastic film called "Funny Games". Surprised I had never seen it before. Anyone else seen this bizarre film? I saw the American version starring Tim Roth and Naomi Watts.

Brilliant stuff.
It's very well made. It's more or less a shot-for-shot remake of the 1997 version, by the same director.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/20/09 12:43 AM

You know what? I think I just saw that last week in the HBO listings. I have never heard of it. It's good though hu? confused

TIS
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/20/09 03:50 PM

It's clever and interesting. I'll leave it at that.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/20/09 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
It's clever and interesting. I'll leave it at that.


I'm pretty sure it's playing on HBO off and on this month. I'll try to check it out. I remember reading the brief plot and it sounded pretty good. smile

TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/21/09 03:24 PM

Capo,

They showed Funny Games last night on HBO. All I can say is eek. Very well acted, very unusual story an very unsettling. The "bad guys" gave me the creeps and I found it to end somewhat surprisingly. Even if creepy, it was good.


TIS
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/23/09 04:51 AM


8.8/10 on IMDb... A- avg from 12 critics... B+ avg from 9500+ Yahoo Users... and I thought DISTRICT 9 was disappointing. ohwell I like alien movies, and the premise sounded great! But once that Transformer suit showed up, it became utterly ridiculous. ohwell If they make a DISTRICT 10 (it's all set up for it!) then I'll wait for the DVD (and rent it).
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/23/09 05:49 AM

Boy, that's one movie they've been advertising lately that didn't sound too bad. Sorry to hear it's not all that. ohwell I did hear a couple critics praise it. I don't always agree with the critics either. ohwell


TIS
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/23/09 06:19 AM


One movie I saw the trailer for -- that I didn't even know/hear about -- was the 4th installment of the Final Destination series, which I enjoy quite a bit -- The Final Destination (the last of the series??). And this one's in Digital 3D, so I wanna check it out!
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/23/09 06:22 AM


But TIS, it could just be me. I know I was annoyed because the people I went with sat in the front, and on the side (worst possible seats, but it was pretty crowded) -- I'm glad I decided not to wear my progressive lenses we were so close! lol But off to the side (when you're up close) is just horrible. They didn't like it, either, and they had worse seats than I did. whistle ...but parts were still utterly ridiculous, so I don't think my opinion would've changed. ohwell
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/23/09 06:44 AM

Geoff,

I think we've talked about the Final Destination movies. I liked the first one (the airplane), the second (the traffic accident) was pretty good; the third (the carnival ride), ok. I want to see this installment too. If you see it, post if you like it. smile Usually by four they're down hill.

TIS
Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/23/09 10:16 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Capo,

They showed Funny Games last night on HBO. All I can say is eek. Very well acted, very unusual story an very unsettling. The "bad guys" gave me the creeps and I found it to end somewhat surprisingly. Even if creepy, it was good.


TIS


I love this movie. Messes with peoples heads!!
Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/28/09 07:05 AM

Saw Inglorious Basterds last night. WOW! Just awesome viewing. Best movie I've seen this year hands down.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/29/09 12:46 AM

Today I watched "The Boy in the Striped Pajamas". It was a very, very good film about both sides of The Holocaust.

The story is about two eight year old boys. Bruno is the son of a Nazi commandant and Shmuel is a Jewish inmate of the camp. The two boys meet by the barbed wire and develop a relationship. The film contrasts the innocence of the two children with the absolute horror of what is going on around them. They obviously don't understand the full implications of Nazi Germany and what it's doing to each of them and their families.

There are several heartbreaking moments in the film, as each of the boys begins to understand what is unfolding around them. As Bruno's sister gives up her dolls for Nazi posters and the uniform of a Nazi Youth, his mother slips into an almost catatonic state as she realizes what kind of man she is married to.

The boys can't begin to understand what is happening, just like those who have looked back at this period of history, even as we've seen other genocides occur. Don't miss this film. I cried my eyes out, though, so be warned!
Posted By: DiMaggio68

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/29/09 05:39 AM

I just saw the film "Obsessed" with Beyonce knolls. It was an ok movie, but I think Beyonce is a better singer then an actress.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/09/09 10:39 AM

Watched the BUCKET LIST last night which i enjoyed. Two fabulous actors.

Currently watching GODS AND GENERALS which is a prequel to GETTYSBURG. A sprawling,rather muddled historical epic,but the battle scenes are pretty spectacular. Nowhere near as good as GETTYSBURG though!
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/09/09 03:09 PM

I've lived near Gettysburg for 20 years now and have been in the town hundreds of times, but haven't toured the battlefield since I was a kid.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/10/09 12:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Watched the BUCKET LIST last night which i enjoyed. Two fabulous actors.

Currently watching GODS AND GENERALS which is a prequel to GETTYSBURG. A sprawling,rather muddled historical epic,but the battle scenes are pretty spectacular. Nowhere near as good as GETTYSBURG though!


I love to watch Gettysburg, but don't care for Gods and Generals.
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/19/09 03:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
I rewatched the GF trilogy for the millionth time. It is truly a classic. I wish however that the studio would release the chronological novel for television. It had more Sonny scenes in it.


You nailed it dude, in like 4 sentances. Turnbull pointed out in another thread that how Brando was actually only 5 years older than Duvall, and 16 years older than Pacino & Caan. I had always assumed there was in reality a much wider generational gap, and never fully appreciated the job the make-up artists did until the other night (my brother was watching number 1, and it just "pulled me back in")

Diane Keaton & Talia Shire were only 26 at the time. I, for one, love Talia Shire; i think she's gorgeous and a great actress (i like her small role in I HEART HUCKABEES, and of course loved her in Rocky. ADRIAN!!!)
Some people dont like some of her work in 1,2 & 3, but whatever, i think she owns the role. As does Sofia Coppola in 3, IMHO, which i'll prolly catch some shit for.

I found this interesting, though most people probably already knew; Talia Shire (nee Coppola) is Jason Schwartzman's mother, and her being the biological brother of Francis Ford, Schwartzman is not only related to the Coppola's but actor Nicholas Cage as well. Hows that?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/28/09 02:40 PM

I just re-watched A Shock to the System , a 1990 film featuring Michael Caine, Peter Riegert, Swoosie Kurtz, Will Patton,and Elizabeth McGovern.

The movie tells the story of a somewhat decent midlevel ad exec named Graham Marshall (Caine) who is in debt, not quite where he wants to be in his career and trapped in a sexless and loveless marriage with a nagging wife (Kurtz). His only daily release is a mild flirtation with an office assistant (McGovern) who really seems to feel sorry for him more than she's attracted to him.

Nevertheless he's grinning and bearing it because as he sees it he's up for promotion to office head , which will not only tremendously increase his salary but stop his wife from nagging him and allow him to run the office in a more humane way.

Of course he doesn't get the promotion. The job goes to Bob Benham (Riegert), an obnoxious and soulless yuppie half Graham's age who finds all sorts of sneaky and blatant ways to embarrass and humiliate Graham. Benham speaks and dresses in the stereotypical power style of a Gordon Gekko. He's young, in shape and with a hot wife. The powers that be didn't think Graham had the fire in the belly or was tough enough to lead. Quite sarcastically Graham's wife "forgives him for failing".

And then the movie takes a very morbidly humorous turn.

Click to reveal..
Dejectedly returning home one night Graham finds himself in a position where quite by accident he pushes an aggressive panhandler into the path of an oncoming train, killing him. No one sees him do this.

After this shock to the system it's literally game on for Graham as he is more than energized to deal with all threats to his career or his self-worth in quite decisive terms. His self-confidence goes through the roof. The Will Patton character asks Graham about someone at his workplace, saying "Now he was your superior, is that right?" And Caine coolly responds "No. He was my boss."


The movie is fun because no matter how outrageous the events become Graham has a plan to deal with them and will no longer back down from anyone. It's a funny and effective satire of 80's consumerist culture and business practices.
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/28/09 04:49 PM

I watched Surviving Christmas with James Gandolfini and Ben Affleck. This was the movie that caused the Soprano's to be delayed for a number of months. It is not bad. Gandolfini plays an Italian who has his moments in the film that are remenicent to Tony Soprano without all of the violence however.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/05/10 02:21 AM



I just watched this documentary. Ten of Ali's top opponents discuss their fights with Ali and his impact on their lives others. The director lets the fighters do all the talking. Not all of these men have the greatest love for Ali, Terrell and Frazier especially still have some bitterness but all of them have the utmost respect for a man they recognize as the greatest. There are lots of clips from their fights with Ali and each other. Holmes gives a voice over for his fight describing how he hated to hit Ali in the body because he knew that Ali couldn't take it by that time.

It's a powerful film. In some respects it's an indictment of boxing. The viewer sees the toll that boxing took on these men, many of who have somewhat slurred speech or other health issues. But as Chuvalo points out, boxing was a preferred career path compared to the alternative of poorly paid backbreaking labor (Chuvalo's mother plucked chickens for a penny a bird) or more sinister jobs (Lyle and Shavers describe actually considering being a thug or hitman as a viable option).

Age and other issues have slowed these men down but it's apparent that most of them still have a love for the sport and the instincts for the sweet science. Watching a 70 year old man seemingly lose 50 years of age/infirmity and start throwing combinations as he describes his battles is something else.

There's even a bit of mob lore shared. George Chuvalo claims that the reason he got a fight with Ali before Ernie Terrell was that Bernie Glickman, who was Terrell's manager, (and really a front for Accardo-who Chuvalo names) had gone to Ali's manager, Herbert Muhammad and in quite insulting terms told Herbert Muhammad that Ali was to throw the fight to Terrell and that if he didn't that Herbert might find himself in serious trouble. According to Chuvalo, Herbert Muhammad wasn't the sort of man to take threats lightly and he had his bodyguards beat Glickman within an inch of his life. So Terrell was dropped and Chuvalo inserted.

Lyle sums it up at the end of the film when he says that the fighters love Ali.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/15/10 01:12 AM

just watched "Burn After Reading" again yesterday and I have to say that the Coens just pulled out the best scene of the decade with the pre-ending John Malkovich outburst when he surprises an intruder, a gun in one hand, a whisky glass in the other, and assumes it's his wife's lover, then recognizes the man... "You're the guy from the gym"... to which he replies "I'm not here representing HardBodies" and then Ozzie goes off:

Oh, yes. I know very well what you represent; You represent the idiocy of today. ("I don't represent that either") Yeah. You're the guy at the gym when I asked about that moronic woman...You're in league with that woman. You are part of a league of morons... you are one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. My whole fucking life. But guess what... Today, I win.

lol lol

that is priceless. I only wish I could've watched it without knowing anything in advance, you'd think it's a spy movie and from the very first scene when Ozzie first explodes you'd be wondering if it's a poorly made serious movie or a comedy anyway...

"I have a drinking problem? Fuck, you are a mormon. Next to you, we all have a drinking problem."
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/21/10 04:01 PM

Went to the cinema last night to see the new SHERLOCK HOLMES. It was very good. Plenty of great fight scenes and rollicking action. Downey Jr is fabulous in the role,giving it a new twist from the old Basil Rathbone type portrayal. Well recommended!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/21/10 04:03 PM

Was his English accent authentic, Yogi?
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/21/10 04:04 PM

It was actually PB. Very good indeed.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/21/10 04:07 PM

Downey's a great actor.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/21/10 04:11 PM

He is fast becoming one of my favourites as well. Apparently he has already signed up for the Holmes sequel which is good.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/21/10 10:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
It was actually PB. Very good indeed.


You should check out his other Anglo-accent works CHAPLIN and his brief appearance in Ian McKellen's RICHARD III. Both I recommend, RICHARD III especially I highly suggest.

Yeah I liked SHERLOCK HOLMES too. Maybe too much of the contemporary heavy FX, heavy action theatrical spectacle...but what really works is Downey and Law's chemistry. That real conflicting bromance between two best long-time buddies, so close that outsiders might even call them queer.

A good Guy Ritchie movie isn't necessarily a guarantee, so its nice he didn't shoot himself in the foot here in his comeback. Being free of Madonna helped. smile
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/23/10 08:11 PM

Watched 3 films yesterday. Firstly with the kids i sat through TRANSFORMERS 2. Enjoyable old tosh. Plenty of stunts and explosions mixed in with good robots,bad robots and funny ass robots. The kids loved it!

Then with my wife later i watched BRIDE WARS which i cannot even bring myself to remember or talk about thank you ohwell

Then later by myself i watched TAKEN starring Liam Neeson as a tough ex- CIA guy whose daughter gets kidnapped in Paris by dodgy Albanians and goes after her....and them. Spectacularly. A great film this,thoroughly enjoyed it!
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 02:49 AM


Just watched Disney/PIXAR's UP (2009) via Netflix. Great movie, and always amazing stuff from PIXAR... BUT W-T-F!!!!! I HATE when it starts the previews for you, rather than going to the main menu. BUT THIS HAD NO MAIN MENU -- AT ALL??!! One of the "previews" talked about all the great extras and all, that I wanted to see -- but there was no menu or any way to access them?? Netflix doesn't mention a Disc 2.

I go to the support site and there was an entire category for "UP Rental Questions" so I thought great, it'll tell me how to access the features. NOPE! It takes me to a web form so I can email support with my question.

WHAT??? uhwhat

They spend millions on a movie, but can't author a fucking DVD properly??? rolleyes
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 07:00 AM

If you were to rent it in an actual store, would they give you the second disc with the special features? This sounds like a problem with whoever makes the DVD's, not Netflix or any other rental source.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 06:13 PM

I floved "Up". Very cute and very funny. We have a very needy dog, so we identified, for sure. Not as good as "Monsters Inc.", which I think is perhaps the all time greatest animated film. "The Incredibles" runs a very close second. No capes!
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I floved "Up". Very cute and very funny. We have a very needy dog, so we identified, for sure. Not as good as "Monsters Inc.", which I think is perhaps the all time greatest animated film. "The Incredibles" runs a very close second. No capes!


toy story beats them all
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 06:20 PM

"Toy Story" is great, but it's a kid's movie all the way. It doesn't straddle that line that appeals to adults as well. I guess that's why I don't love it as much as the others.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 07:00 PM


What about Wall-E??
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 07:01 PM

Wall-E was enjoyable, but no "Monsters Inc."

My daughter met someone whose name was Mike Markowsky, and all she could think of was "Mike Wazowski!".
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 07:08 PM


Cars was fun, too -- I think anything out of PIXAR rawks
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 07:10 PM


BTW, reading around the web, it seems I got a "Rental" copy of UP which has no special features, menu, scene selection, or closed captioning or ANYTHING except auto-run previews and the movie itself. WTF, Di$ney?? rolleyes
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 07:11 PM


Ratatouille was great, too
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 07:18 PM

Meh. Not loving any of those.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 07:45 PM

Monsters Inc was actually my least favorite of the Pixar movies. I think Toy Story 1 & 2 were the best followed by Wall-E. Ratatouille is the only one I haven't seen yet.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 11:17 PM

Really?? uhwhat We just saw it this afternoon. It was on just before the Jets game, and watched it. We laughed just as hard as ever.
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 11:30 PM

Even though it's my least favorite, I do still love the movie smile
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/10 11:51 PM

I thought by your post that you actively disliked it. I love the timbre of John Goodman's voice, and that alone could have sold it for me. I also the "bloopers" at the end. "Go 'head. Go throw up."
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/10 03:07 AM

I am watching a movie called Phone Booth with Colin Farrell and Kiefer Sutherland(at least his voice). What a different movie. I've seen bits of it before but always wanted to see it from the beginning. Anyone else see it? Nearly the entire movie is Colin Farrell in a phone booth. Remember phone booths? lol I'm kind of enjoying this movie tho.


TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/10 03:10 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I am watching a movie called Phone Booth with Colin Farrell and Kiefer Sutherland(at least his voice). What a different movie. I've seen bits of it before but always wanted to see it from the beginning. Anyone else see it? Nearly the entire movie is Colin Farrell in a phone booth. Remember phone booths? lol I'm kind of enjoying this movie tho.


TIS


yea i remember seeing this one...i can't wait to see this version with a cell phone
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/10 03:21 AM

They did. wink It was called Cellular with Kay Basinger a few years back. It's amazing when I see a movie like "Phone Booth" which was made in 2002, which was not that long ago and the idea sounds outdated. I guess back then most people did NOT have a cell phone.

Btw Bam, how are you feeling?


TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/10 03:28 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
They did. wink It was called Cellular with Kay Basinger a few years back. It's amazing when I see a movie like "Phone Booth" which was made in 2002, which was not that long ago and the idea sounds outdated. I guess back then most people did NOT have a cell phone.

Btw Bam, how are you feeling?


TIS


better...i am getting confortble with the casts on, and only have to take alieve before i go to bad (i still have to get up every couple hours because of the cramping feeling)...been spending my time drawing and watching movies.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/10 03:44 AM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
They did. wink It was called Cellular with Kay Basinger a few years back. It's amazing when I see a movie like "Phone Booth" which was made in 2002, which was not that long ago and the idea sounds outdated. I guess back then most people did NOT have a cell phone.

Btw Bam, how are you feeling?


TIS


better...i am getting confortble with the casts on, and only have to take alieve before i go to bad (i still have to get up every couple hours because of the cramping feeling)...been spending my time drawing and watching movies.


I'm glad you're better. Hang in there!!! wink


TIS
Posted By: Blibbleblabble

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/10 05:28 AM

I heard a discussion on talk radio about phones, and how Home Alone couldn't be made today because every kid has a cell phone and could just call up their parents and say "Hey, you guys left me?". Technology changes everything.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/10 08:31 PM

LEGION
This was a serious waste of time and a waste of cast (Dennis Quaid, Kate Walsh, Charles Dutton, Paul Bettany, Tyrese, Adrianne Palicki) I guess they all needed the money but gee whiz did they need mine? The best parts of the movie are all shown in the trailer. If God sent Angels to end the existence of humanity, I rather doubt that Angels, who oversee the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, can threaten to wipe out Jerusalem with a wave of the hand, and who threw Satan into the Pit, are going to be much impressed by humans with submachine guns. I can't say any more about the various bad writing, plot holes and crappy dialogue without going into spoilers, not that there's that much to spoil. Definitely not worth a trip to the theater-maybe ok for dollar day as a rental.

BLOOD CREEK
This movie was directed by Joel Schumacher of all people but don't worry there is no campy Batman running around. It's a surprisingly good horror movie in the old style. It reminds me of the Friday the 13th TV series. It starts out in 1938 (shot in glorious Black and White) when a German SS historian visits an American farming family of German descent who happens to possess an ancient runestone left by Vikings. It picks up in modern day (shot in color) in which an Iraq war veteran thought dead suddenly shows up at his brother's house one night and tells his brother to bring a lot of guns and come with him immediately-there's revenge to be taken. In some aspects the movie does later fall into some horror conventional cliches (especially with some less than convincing special effects) but the occult Nazi spin lets it stand apart -although that's becoming slightly more common now ("Outpost" and "Dead Snow"). Anyway this was better than "Legion" by far although it lacked big name stars. Evidently it didn't get much of a theatrical release. It was worth the rental if you like horror movies. There is also an interesting commentary by the director that goes into greater detail about Nazi fascination with the occult.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/10 09:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Then later by myself i watched TAKEN starring Liam Neeson as a tough ex- CIA guy whose daughter gets kidnapped in Paris by dodgy Albanians and goes after her....and them. Spectacularly. A great film this,thoroughly enjoyed it!


I really did like TAKEN. It was a lot of fun!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/25/10 10:08 PM

Lilo,

I saw Taken a couple months ago, and I too enjoyed it. smile



TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/26/10 07:20 PM

Yes, it seems like there's been a lot of revenge movies out lately. There's that new one with Mel Gibson and then the recent films with Kevin Bacon and Jodie Foster which I can't remember the names of right now.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/27/10 01:03 AM

I don't know the Kevin Bacon one you're referring to, but are you referring to Jodie Foster's "The Brave One"? I really liked that movie. She's such a consistently good and classy performer.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/27/10 01:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Yes, it seems like there's been a lot of revenge movies out lately. There's that new one with Mel Gibson and then the recent films with Kevin Bacon and Jodie Foster which I can't remember the names of right now.


yea footloose is a great revenge movie smile lol
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/27/10 05:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I don't know the Kevin Bacon one you're referring to, but are you referring to Jodie Foster's "The Brave One"? I really liked that movie. She's such a consistently good and classy performer.


Originally Posted By: BAM_233
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Yes, it seems like there's been a lot of revenge movies out lately. There's that new one with Mel Gibson and then the recent films with Kevin Bacon and Jodie Foster which I can't remember the names of right now.


yea footloose is a great revenge movie smile lol


HA-HA.. lol
The Kevin Bacon movie I was thinking about was "Death Sentence". It was directed by the guy who did Saw and was based on the sequel to the book Death Wish. It's an extremely violent movie but it's not really breezily pro-revenge. In some respects it's quite anti-violence.

Yup "The Brave One" is what I was thinking of. "I want my dog back!!!!" lol
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/27/10 05:37 PM

Jodie Foster was so not what I expected of Jodie Foster in that movie. I really enjoyed her as a radio personality with a very sultry voice by day, and a psycho revenge-seeking vigilante by night.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/27/10 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Jodie Foster was so not what I expected of Jodie Foster in that movie. I really enjoyed her as a radio personality with a very sultry voice by day, and a psycho revenge-seeking vigilante by night.


I liked that movie to SB. smile


TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/27/10 09:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I don't know the Kevin Bacon one you're referring to, but are you referring to Jodie Foster's "The Brave One"? I really liked that movie. She's such a consistently good and classy performer.


Originally Posted By: BAM_233
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Yes, it seems like there's been a lot of revenge movies out lately. There's that new one with Mel Gibson and then the recent films with Kevin Bacon and Jodie Foster which I can't remember the names of right now.


yea footloose is a great revenge movie smile lol


HA-HA.. lol
The Kevin Bacon movie I was thinking about was "Death Sentence". It was directed by the guy who did Saw and was based on the sequel to the book Death Wish. It's an extremely violent movie but it's not really breezily pro-revenge. In some respects it's quite anti-violence.

Yup "The Brave One" is what I was thinking of. "I want my dog back!!!!" lol


death wish? is that the same death wish that charles bronson was in?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/27/10 11:58 PM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233

death wish? is that the same death wish that charles bronson was in?


The very one. The novelist is Brian Garfield.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/28/10 12:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: BAM_233

death wish? is that the same death wish that charles bronson was in?


The very one. The novelist is Brian Garfield.


that doest make since...they made like what 4 sequels to the first one...how is this a sequel to that?
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/28/10 01:18 AM

I can definitely see Hollywood "rebooting" the "Deathwish" movies. What a great series to put a modern spin on...who would make a good "Paul Kersey"? (Charles Bronson)
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/28/10 01:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Mark
I can definitely see Hollywood "rebooting" the "Deathwish" movies. What a great series to put a modern spin on...who would make a good "Paul Kersey"? (Charles Bronson)


liam neeson
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/28/10 01:44 AM

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: BAM_233

death wish? is that the same death wish that charles bronson was in?


The very one. The novelist is Brian Garfield.


that doest make since...they made like what 4 sequels to the first one...how is this a sequel to that?


The film sequels (starring Bronson) to Death Wish were not based on the novels. They kept the Paul Kersey character but did not follow the books at all. They were created out of whole cloth by the screenwriters, producers and directors.

I've not read the book but my understanding is that "Death Sentence" with Kevin Bacon follows a little more closely to the "Death Sentence" book by Garfield, although it too makes some changes. So it's based on the second book, though the MOVIE is not a sequel...
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/28/10 01:49 AM

Who's the co-star in Death Sentence. Is that where the couple invade a home??? It's been on HBO and I've never been able to catch the entire movie, but I do like Kevin Bacon and the movie looked good. smile

I loved Death Wish with Charles Bronson. I always felt kind of sorry for him because he was a decent actor, but for some reason got stuck in the Death Wish cycle and never really was able to get out. How many sequels were there? 5? eek

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/28/10 02:02 AM

LOVE Kevin Bacon. He has really emerged as an excellent actor.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/28/10 11:42 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Who's the co-star in Death Sentence. Is that where the couple invade a home??? It's been on HBO and I've never been able to catch the entire movie, but I do like Kevin Bacon and the movie looked good. smile

I loved Death Wish with Charles Bronson. I always felt kind of sorry for him because he was a decent actor, but for some reason got stuck in the Death Wish cycle and never really was able to get out. How many sequels were there? 5? eek

TIS


Kevin Bacon pretty much carries the movie himself. Supporting actors/actresses are Kelly Preston, John Goodman, Aisha Tyler and Garrett Hedlund. Although there was a home invasion scene in "Death Sentence" it wasn't the basis for the movie. The movie "Funny Games" was centered around two guys that invade a home.

There were 4 Death Wish sequels.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/10 07:59 PM

I've been down with a bad cold and been doing nothing much besides watching TV. Last night I watched "Dead Man Walking" with Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn.

This really is a great film. Although it's about a death row inmate, it's not about the death penalty. It's about a woman and a man, and her efforts to help him take responsibility for his actions in order to find redemption.

The story is wonderfully acted. I've forgotten how really great they both are in this. And the juxtaposition of the execution with the re-enactment of the rape and murder allows the viewer to make up their own mind about the death penalty. It's difficult to watch, but you also find yourself unable to look away.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/10 08:33 PM

I watched a little of Pizzaboy's fav movie yesterday Deliverance. tongue
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/10 09:28 PM

I recently watched the movie Mirrors with Kiefer Sutherland. I couldn't make heads or tales of the ending. As far as the Death Wish movies I thought that the first one was the best. Jeff Goldblum was one of the punks that attacked Kearsey's family.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/01/10 01:24 AM

Watched the Beyonce film "Obsessed" today. Predictable tripe about the handsome husband with the beautiful wife and child, and the whack-job who is convinced that he's in love with her.

Click to reveal..
The catfight between Beyonce and the psycho trying to steal her husband was worth watching. And Beyonce did it in heels, no less!
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/01/10 03:06 PM

Surrogates with Bruce Willis, James Cromwell, Ving Rhames, Rosamund Pike, Radha Mitchell and Boris Kodjoe was okay but nothing outstanding. I am glad I waited for DVD. At a time not too distant from our own humans have perfected telekinesis to the point where humans can actually control human like robots "surrogates" from their homes and use these idealized versions of themselves to actually do just about everything that humans do today.

Unfortunately the movie turns into a somewhat prosaic murder mystery/action film when it would have been much more interesting to more deeply examine what kind of world it would be if just about everyone was no longer "real". The picture touches on those issues but only on a surface level. Willis turns in a typically strong performance.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/01/10 04:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Paul Pisano
I recently watched the movie Mirrors with Kiefer Sutherland. I couldn't make heads or tales of the ending. As far as the Death Wish movies I thought that the first one was the best. Jeff Goldblum was one of the punks that attacked Kearsey's family.


In Mirrors, what happened at the end was
Click to reveal..
the Kiefer Sutherland character died and was trapped in the mirror world just like the spirit he had been battling.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/10 02:58 PM

just watched a British film called HARRY BROWN starring the mighty Sir Michael Caine. Whilst just another twist on the DEATHWISH vigilante theme it is nevertheless very well done. Caine stars as an old geezer living in a nightmare area of London rife with crime and gangs of juvenile delinquents. When his wife dies and the youths kill his best pal he transforms from doddery old chap into ruthless old avenger. Turns out he a war vet and very handy with a gun and torture eek

Very,very good film. Caine is simply awesome. Watch it if you can!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/10 05:14 PM

I couldn't sleep last night and turned on tv. I saw a movie called "Wrong Turn." It was about a group of people stuck in some hicksville West Virginia mountain area being chased by an inbred family of cannibals. lol Jeremy Sisto (from Law & Order) had a co-starring role, but he was the only one I knew. Actually, I though it would be worse. It kept me interested.

TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/10 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
It was about a group of people stuck in some hicksville West Virginia mountain area being chased by an inbred family of cannibals.


You know why cannibals don't eat clowns?

Because they taste funny.
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/03/10 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
It was about a group of people stuck in some hicksville West Virginia mountain area being chased by an inbred family of cannibals.


You know why cannibals don't eat clowns?

Because they taste funny.


And if they were in the desert they could eat the sand-which-is there. rolleyes
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/04/10 04:29 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I couldn't sleep last night and turned on tv. I saw a movie called "Wrong Turn." It was about a group of people stuck in some hicksville West Virginia mountain area being chased by an inbred family of cannibals. lol Jeremy Sisto (from Law & Order) had a co-starring role, but he was the only one I knew. Actually, I though it would be worse. It kept me interested.

TIS




I saw the second Wrong Turn movie on the syfy channel. There is now a third one out on DVD.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/04/10 06:14 PM

I didn't care for the third Wrong Turn, although I liked the first one.

"Cabin Fever" was pretty good.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/04/10 06:18 PM

Usually the first ones are the best. I expected Wrong Turn to be a little more graphic and bloody. I don't get queasy or sick or anything from the graphics, but don't care for it when it becomes slasher-like just for the sake of being bloody. It was kind of gory to be sure, but it kept my interest.

I didn't realize there were two sequels to this movie. Maybe a dumb question but was Sean Penn in one of them???? I seem to think of him when I saw the title. Don't know why. ohwell

TIS
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/04/10 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I couldn't sleep last night and turned on tv. I saw a movie called "Wrong Turn."


I think I seen that movie when I was at Becky's last weekend. I didn't see all of it cuz I was making dinner.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/04/10 08:12 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Usually the first ones are the best. I expected Wrong Turn to be a little more graphic and bloody. I don't get queasy or sick or anything from the graphics, but don't care for it when it becomes slasher-like just for the sake of being bloody. It was kind of gory to be sure, but it kept my interest.

I didn't realize there were two sequels to this movie. Maybe a dumb question but was Sean Penn in one of them???? I seem to think of him when I saw the title. Don't know why. ohwell

TIS


Sean Penn wasn't in "Wrong Turn" but he was in "U-Turn". smile
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/04/10 08:23 PM

Ahhh Thanks Lilo. I was close. tongue I knew I wasn't going crazy. I don't know why that stuck in my mind, but it did.


TIS
Posted By: The Iceman

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/06/10 03:17 PM

Just yesterday I watched The Final Destination it wasn't too bad. Then last week I watched I hope they serve beer in hell, and Halloween II the Rob Zombie version. I did like that one heck I think I prefer that one over the original Halloween II. Which is odd considering that I preferred the 78 Halloween over the one Rob Zombie did.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/06/10 04:16 PM

I liked Final Destination. smile You mean there's a movie actually titled "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell?" confused Do they? Serve beer in hell I mean? lol Not that I really want to find out personally mind you.



TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/06/10 06:37 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I liked Final Destination. smile You mean there's a movie actually titled "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell?" confused Do they? Serve beer in hell I mean? lol Not that I really want to find out personally mind you.



TIS


they probably serve old syle
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/06/10 06:40 PM

I assume it has a "hell" of a good flavor, although it may be heated. tongue



TIS
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/06/10 08:57 PM

TIS, that Wrong Turn #2 is on right now on the SYFY channel.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/07/10 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: The Iceman
Just yesterday I watched The Final Destination it wasn't too bad.

The Final Destination (2009) was okay -- pretty shitty with the crappy 3D glasses, though. My favorite is still the original Final Destination (2000) and I think each sequel has been okay, but not quite as good as the first.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/07/10 06:19 PM

I haven't seen the new Final Destination yet, but I agree Geoff, the first is definitely the best and I like the 2nd too. The third was in third place IMHO. smile


TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/08/10 07:30 PM

Well I finally saw Wall Street yesterday. smile I wanted to see it before the new one is released. I was going to rent it, but as luck would have it HBO just added it to it's list of "On Demand." smile

Anyway, I did enjoy it. I am not real knowledgeable on Wall Street, it's lingo, and am not an expert on how the stock market works but I surely got the drift. I found the movie to be very good. Douglas was top notch, and Charlie Sheen, what a change from his tv show. Seeing Charlie and his father playing father and son, they almost looked identical.

I enjoyed it and look forward to the "Money Never Sleeps" sequel.

TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/09/10 12:59 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Well I finally saw Wall Street yesterday. smile I wanted to see it before the new one is released. I was going to rent it, but as luck would have it HBO just added it to it's list of "On Demand." smile

Anyway, I did enjoy it. I am not real knowledgeable on Wall Street, it's lingo, and am not an expert on how the stock market works but I surely got the drift. I found the movie to be very good. Douglas was top notch, and Charlie Sheen, what a change from his tv show. Seeing Charlie and his father playing father and son, they almost looked identical.

I enjoyed it and look forward to the "Money Never Sleeps" sequel.

TIS


TIS, have you ever seen "Boiler Room" or Glengarry Glenn Ross?
They have similar themes to "Wall Street".
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/09/10 01:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Well I finally saw Wall Street yesterday. smile I wanted to see it before the new one is released. I was going to rent it, but as luck would have it HBO just added it to it's list of "On Demand." smile

Anyway, I did enjoy it. I am not real knowledgeable on Wall Street, it's lingo, and am not an expert on how the stock market works but I surely got the drift. I found the movie to be very good. Douglas was top notch, and Charlie Sheen, what a change from his tv show. Seeing Charlie and his father playing father and son, they almost looked identical.

I enjoyed it and look forward to the "Money Never Sleeps" sequel.

TIS


TIS, have you ever seen "Boiler Room" or Glengarry Glenn Ross?
They have similar themes to "Wall Street".


Lilo,

I did see Glen Glengary Ross but didn't see Boiler Room. I'll have to check it out. I've seen the title but didn't know anything about it smile

TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/09/10 01:41 AM

"Boiler Room" is nowhere as good as "Wall Street" but it's also working a different side of the street. It's more down market. It's like "Goodfellas" vs. "The Godfather"..not in terms of quality, just in terms of emphasis/theme.

"Boiler Room" makes explicit reference to "Wall Street" and implicit reference to "Glengarry Glenn Ross". Giovanni Ribsi, Nicky Katt, and Vin Diesel star. Ben Affleck has a cameo.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/12/10 03:45 PM

A while back, someone here recommended the movie,"The Dog Soldiers". Yesterday it was on HBO and I started watching it, but damn, I fell asleep. mad I really didn't get that far into it, but it started out interesting right from the start. I'm gonna try "On Demand" and finish watching it.


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/12/10 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
"Boiler Room" is nowhere as good as "Wall Street" but it's also working a different side of the street. It's more down market. It's like "Goodfellas" vs. "The Godfather"..not in terms of quality, just in terms of emphasis/theme.

"Boiler Room" makes explicit reference to "Wall Street" and implicit reference to "Glengarry Glenn Ross". Giovanni Ribsi, Nicky Katt, and Vin Diesel star. Ben Affleck has a cameo.


What happened to Ribisi? For awhile he looked like he was going to break out as a star.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/12/10 05:32 PM

Just finished watching Erin Brokovich for the umpteenth time. God, I love that movie and Julia Roberts.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/12/10 06:50 PM

"Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot."

"That's all you got, lady. Two wrong feet in ugly shoes." That scene, when Erin reels off the phone numbers and facts about every participant in the suit, is just the best.
Posted By: The Iceman

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/13/10 09:51 AM

Just got done watching Max payne good grief was that movie bad. I just hope the remade version of 3:10 to Yuma is better if not then I'm asking for my money back lol
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/13/10 10:58 AM

Originally Posted By: The Iceman
Just got done watching Max payne good grief was that movie bad. I just hope the remade version of 3:10 to Yuma is better if not then I'm asking for my money back lol


ha-ha. Yeah "Max Payne" was no good.
I did think "3:10 to Yuma" was much better though.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/13/10 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo

I did think "3:10 to Yuma" was much better though.


Of course it was. It was written by Elmore Leonard, the greatest novelist of all time wink smile.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/13/10 03:38 PM

As I was flipping thru the channels yesterday, I saw HBO was airing "The Last Tango In Paris" with Marlon Brando. I remember going to see it in the theaters and if I recall we (my husband and I) walked out on it. In any case I didn't like it. Even though now, I can't say I even remember it.

Of all scenes to catch last night was Brandon pulling his pants down on a dance floor and mooning everyone. No wonder I walked out. Some asses just aren't worth seeing I guess. lol


TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/13/10 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Of all scenes to catch last night was Brandon pulling his pants down on a dance floor and mooning everyone. No wonder I walked out. Some asses just aren't worth seeing I guess. lol


TIS


Even buttered ones.
Posted By: The Iceman

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/13/10 04:57 PM

Just got done watching 3:10 to Yuma it was at least a thousand times better that Max Payne.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/13/10 11:03 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Of all scenes to catch last night was Brandon pulling his pants down on a dance floor and mooning everyone. No wonder I walked out. Some asses just aren't worth seeing I guess. lol


TIS


Even buttered ones.



Such inappropriate behavior for the straight-laced Vito Corleone. grin


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/14/10 03:04 AM

My brother and his wife stopped at my parent's house and said that they were going to see "Last Tango in Paris" that night. My mother said that she couldn't believe that they were going to see that "filthy movie". Guess who my brother ran into at the theater that night? My parents! grin

We just watched "Zombieland" with Woody Harrelson and Jesse Eisenberg. It was pretty funny. You need to have a bit of a sick sense of humor to enjoy it, but if you do, watch it.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/14/10 03:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe


We just watched "Zombieland" with Woody Harrelson and Jesse Eisenberg. It was pretty funny. You need to have a bit of a sick sense of humor to enjoy it, but if you do, watch it.


saw that last weekend, and i loved it...really funny, and i cant wait for the sequel
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/14/10 03:14 AM

They're doing a sequel? I hadn't heard that. I hope it's as good as the first.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/14/10 12:32 PM

Hey those are rules I live by at work

-don't be a hero
-double tap
-beware of bathrooms
-always know where the exits are

wink
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/14/10 05:13 PM

And #1 - Cardio! The movie was very funny, but you do have to have somewhat of a twisted sense to really enjoy it.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/14/10 07:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
They're doing a sequel? I hadn't heard that. I hope it's as good as the first.


idk how theya great would screw it up if they keep all the stars, director, and everybody else. also too the concept is too good to not do a sequel.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/14/10 07:40 PM

Just watched the remake of "The Stepfather". It was ok. I didn't really remember the original so I couldn't say if it was overly derivative or not. It did require a lot of leaps of logic. Nobody can just float into jobs and houses without some sort of background checks.

So a lot of what the titular character was doing required really desperate or really stupid women characters, which wasn't good. Other than that it was a decent thriller. I would have been upset if I had paid to see it in the theater.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/14/10 11:24 PM

There have been several "Stepfather" movies in the series, with a Terry somebody in the title role. It isn't really a bad idea, but you're right, how many different identities can this guy have? confused It is a good rental on a Friday or Saturday night if you're in the mood for a scary movie.


Annie
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/15/10 03:40 AM

Muriel's Wedding. I hadn't seen it in years, but I watched it tonight. Abba is the soundtrack and I love Abba. It's a feel good movie although it has its share of pathos and it takes place in Australia. If you have the opportunity, give it a look
Posted By: whisper

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/15/10 01:49 PM

Just finished watching 'Bronson'. It's based on England's most notorious Inmate, who likes to go by the name "Charles Bronson". Basically a nutter, who loves to get into constant fights and hold people hostage for ridiculous demands etc. Enjoyable viewing.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/15/10 04:49 PM

I wanted to see "Bronson" but the video store only had one copy and it was out. Maybe next week.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/10 06:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
...the video store...

uhwhat

Video stores still exist (and they have customers)??? tongue
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/10 10:55 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: Lilo
...the video store...

uhwhat

Video stores still exist (and they have customers)??? tongue


lol Some people are just unreservedly old school.
But the video store is closing down in 4-6 weeks...
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/10 03:20 PM

I do have membership to Hollywood Video, but I think I've been there twice and that was a few years ago to rent the "24" series. It does seem they are getting a little passe'.

Gosh, I remember when they first opened, standing in line waiting to get one of the 4 copies (or whatever) of a much anticipated film. It was first come first serve and they only had a limited amount of copies. Seems like a lifetime ago. grin

I also remember, way back, renting a movie (don't remember which), putting it in the VCR and it simply didn't work. I brought it back, they said the tape broke and I was charged $30.00 eek I'm sure it was broken when I rented it, but oh well!!

TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/10 05:08 PM

It's a Hollywood Video store which is closing in my area. Older movies are on sale for between $5 and $9. I will wait until price drops to between $3 and $6 and see what's left.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/10 05:09 PM

I rewatched "Clue" the other night. Tim Curry, Christopher Lloyd and Madeleine Kahn were at the top of their game.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/10 06:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
It's a Hollywood Video store which is closing in my area. Older movies are on sale for between $5 and $9. I will wait until price drops to between $3 and $6 and see what's left.

Wait, are you saying they're not even DVDs, but VHS tapes??? eek whistle
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/10 06:58 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: Lilo
It's a Hollywood Video store which is closing in my area. Older movies are on sale for between $5 and $9. I will wait until price drops to between $3 and $6 and see what's left.

Wait, are you saying they're not even DVDs, but VHS tapes??? eek whistle


Sometime soon I'm going to try out this newfangled horseless carriage....
whistle
Nope, the store is titled "Hollywood Video" but they got rid of all their VHS tapes at least 6-7 years back. Everything for sale or rent is DVD/Blu-Ray.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/10 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: Lilo
It's a Hollywood Video store which is closing in my area. Older movies are on sale for between $5 and $9. I will wait until price drops to between $3 and $6 and see what's left.

Wait, are you saying they're not even DVDs, but VHS tapes??? eek whistle


Sometime soon I'm going to try out this newfangled horseless carriage....
whistle
Nope, the store is titled "Hollywood Video" but they got rid of all their VHS tapes at least 6-7 years back. Everything for sale or rent is DVD/Blu-Ray.


so, are you planning on buying them or robbing the store?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/16/10 07:38 PM

The manager is a good friend. She did say there have been a lot of ******s who have been stealing or trying to steal stuff. Evidently these morons aren't intimidated by the fact that there's a police ministation in the mall.. rolleyes
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/17/10 12:17 AM

I just watched "Miami Blues" again on dvd. Being that it's still snowing, I figured I'd torture myself by looking at sunny South Florida.

I think this was Alec Baldwin's finest performance; filmed in 1989 before we knew what an overly political lunatic he'd become whistle. It's adapted from the Charles Willeford novel of the same name. Willeford was a pulp noir master, if you dig that type of writing, as I do.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/17/10 12:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
The manager is a good friend. She did say there have been a lot of ******s who have been stealing or trying to steal stuff. Evidently these morons aren't intimidated by the fact that there's a police ministation in the mall.. rolleyes


o i thought it was one of those stand alone buildings...but, yea that what you expect...hopefully they stole good movies and not the godfather part III
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/19/10 01:46 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
There have been several "Stepfather" movies in the series, with a Terry somebody in the title role. It isn't really a bad idea, but you're right, how many different identities can this guy have? confused It is a good rental on a Friday or Saturday night if you're in the mood for a scary movie.


Annie


The Terry that you are referring to is Terry O'Quinn of Lost.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/22/10 06:24 AM


FINALLY saw Avatar (in Digital 3D) this afternoon -- good film in a genre I enjoy, but I was more pleased that 3D has come so far since the old shitty red/green glasses. The 3D wasn't gimmicky like usual, but actually enhanced the movie visuals most of the time. I often forgot I was watching 3D, which to me was good. It's the first time I've seen a modern digital 3D film in theaters, so maybe it's been like this for a while, but I've tried two "3D" DVD's with those shitty glasses and they were totally distractingly shitty, and compared to the new version, unwatchable now. I kept the glassing hoping the Blu-Ray will use the same technology, but I don't know -- new 3D HDTV's are due out this year, so I hope I won't have to wait a decade (since I just bought my first one recently) before enjoying such quality at home....
Posted By: Don Zadjali

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 06:03 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

FINALLY saw Avatar (in Digital 3D) this afternoon -- good film in a genre I enjoy, but I was more pleased that 3D has come so far since the old shitty red/green glasses. The 3D wasn't gimmicky like usual, but actually enhanced the movie visuals most of the time. I often forgot I was watching 3D, which to me was good. It's the first time I've seen a modern digital 3D film in theaters, so maybe it's been like this for a while, but I've tried two "3D" DVD's with those shitty glasses and they were totally distractingly shitty, and compared to the new version, unwatchable now. I kept the glassing hoping the Blu-Ray will use the same technology, but I don't know -- new 3D HDTV's are due out this year, so I hope I won't have to wait a decade (since I just bought my first one recently) before enjoying such quality at home....


FINALLY!!!

Glad to know you liked it, I hope they make Avatar 2. tongue
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

FINALLY saw Avatar (in Digital 3D) this afternoon -- good film in a genre I enjoy, but I was more pleased that 3D has come so far since the old shitty red/green glasses. The 3D wasn't gimmicky like usual, but actually enhanced the movie visuals most of the time. I often forgot I was watching 3D, which to me was good. It's the first time I've seen a modern digital 3D film in theaters, so maybe it's been like this for a while, but I've tried two "3D" DVD's with those shitty glasses and they were totally distractingly shitty, and compared to the new version, unwatchable now. I kept the glassing hoping the Blu-Ray will use the same technology, but I don't know -- new 3D HDTV's are due out this year, so I hope I won't have to wait a decade (since I just bought my first one recently) before enjoying such quality at home....


I like how you talk more about the technology than the movie.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I like how you talk more about the technology than the movie.

That's what impressed me most. tongue wink
Posted By: VitoC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 07:02 PM

I saw Clint Eastwood's "Letters from Iwo Jima" this morning on AMC, showing the Japanese side of the battle. Very good, but I was really disappointed that they showed it dubbed into English, instead of the original version which was in Japanese with English subtitles. I don't like dubbings. If I were Japanese I might be offended, because it almost suggests Americans are so limited that it's too much trouble for them to read subtitles (although apparently the original subtitles were in small print, something that caused complaints).
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: VitoC
I saw Clint Eastwood's "Letters from Iwo Jima" this morning on AMC, showing the Japanese side of the battle. Very good, but I was really disappointed that they showed it dubbed into English, instead of the original version which was in Japanese with English subtitles. I don't like dubbings. If I were Japanese I might be offended, because it almost suggests Americans are so limited that it's too much trouble for them to read subtitles (although apparently the original subtitles were in small print, something that caused complaints).


i need to see that movie still...the way its suppose to be shown...but, hey we are Americans too lazy to read.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 07:52 PM

Saw the Bruce Willis flick "Hostage" last night on cable. It was actually a fairly decent cop movie. Willis plays a hostage negotiator in LA who moves his family out of the city and becomes a small-town cop after a failed negotiation. Of course, the sort of thing he was hoping to escape hits him again when a family is taken hostage by a group of car-jackers that followed them home.

The car-jackers have picked the wrong house, though. The father is an accountant for the mob, and they want their information extracted from the house ASAP. They then take Willis's family hostage so that he will retrieve an important CD from the crime scene and exchange it for his wife and daughter. He needs to rescue the hostages so that he can rescue the hostages, which is an interesting concept and made the film unique.

While we of course are asked to suspend disbelief several times, the pacing was good, the various criminals interesting, and Willis turns in an understated performance. I recommend seeing it.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 08:07 PM

Is that the one with the rapper co-star? We all know how "in the know" I am when it comes to rappers. lol Can't think of his name? If so, I saw most of it on HBO and yes I thought it was pretty good. smile


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 10:36 PM

Originally Posted By: VitoC
I saw Clint Eastwood's "Letters from Iwo Jima" this morning on AMC, showing the Japanese side of the battle. Very good, but I was really disappointed that they showed it dubbed into English, instead of the original version which was in Japanese with English subtitles. I don't like dubbings. If I were Japanese I might be offended, because it almost suggests Americans are so limited that it's too much trouble for them to read subtitles (although apparently the original subtitles were in small print, something that caused complaints).


Its done for the same reason why all those Japanese movies back in the day (like GODZILLA) were dubbed for American consumption: Because most mainstream audiences are able without exerting much effort, i.e. brain attention span.

But yeah I despise dubbing on principle. That said, I don't think Japanese would be that offended, considering all foreign tongue movies (especially ours) get shipped over there dubbed. Plus it actually gives actors in those countries jobs dubbing over.

In fact the only markets where foreign film imports aren't dubbed are markets so small, its not economically feasible to spend the time and money to put out a unique language track for that territory. Like Portugal.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 10:43 PM

Flipping stations around I see Leprechaun is on. I have never really seen it, But, Jennifer Aniston???? Must have been her first movie. eek Anyway, the little leprechaun is kind of a creepy ol' chap.

Some stars started out with horror flicks, like Johnny Depp (Elm St. I think) and of course John Travolta in Carrie. Oh, and Jamie Lee Curtis was the horror queen for a while with Halloween movies.

TIS


Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 10:44 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I like how you talk more about the technology than the movie.

That's what impressed me most. tongue wink


I'll repeat my criticism I posted at FCM: There is no story, just an outline. There are no characters or people, but archetypes. Never once was I ever compelled or really taken by the story.

That said, at certain times AVATAR does work in spirit as an Edgar Rice Burroughs-inspired daydream fantasy. Before that term got hijacked by that Sword & Sorcery bullshit. But in 2010 America with an awful economy, two never-ending (ill-advised?) wars...doesn't going to outer space to save the day and get the girl sound like a nice diversion?

That escapism probably why the bland THE BLIND SIDE made $200+ million and going to bag that chick from SPEED an Oscar.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 10:50 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Flipping stations around I see Leprechaun is on. I have never really seen it, But, Jennifer Aniston???? Must have been her first movie. eek Anyway, the little leprechaun is kind of a creepy ol' chap.

Some stars started out with horror flicks, like Johnny Depp (Elm St. I think) and of course John Travolta in Carrie. Oh, and Jamie Lee Curtis was the horror queen for a while with Halloween movies.

TIS




You gotta start somewhere.

Consider George Clooney, who doesn't exactly survive the 80s obscure slasher RETURN TO HORROR HIGH.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/06/10 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Flipping stations around I see Leprechaun is on. I have never really seen it, But, Jennifer Aniston???? Must have been her first movie. eek Anyway, the little leprechaun is kind of a creepy ol' chap.

Some stars started out with horror flicks, like Johnny Depp (Elm St. I think) and of course John Travolta in Carrie. Oh, and Jamie Lee Curtis was the horror queen for a while with Halloween movies.

TIS




You gotta start somewhere.

Consider George Clooney, who doesn't exactly survive the 80s obscure slasher RETURN TO HORROR HIGH.


I never heard of Return To Horror High. eek I'll have to look up a clip of it. I can't see Clooney in a horror flick, but wait, then again, he was wasn't he? A vampire movie that I can't recall the name of.
He's so pretty!!!! grin

TIS
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/10/10 11:44 PM


Just watched BOONDOCK SAINTS again to prepare for the new sequel I got from Netflix -- I forget how much I love that movie!!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/11/10 12:27 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Just watched BOONDOCK SAINTS again to prepare for the new sequel I got from Netflix -- I forget how much I love that movie!!


Yeah I also love me some silly Tarantino wannabe clone. To use a Caponian trademark word: Rubbish.

Interesting how that "fanbase" really seems to despise the sequel.

I guess this means Troy Duffy will never make another movie now.

Then again OVERNIGHT was far more entertaining than SAINTS. smile

Also a buddy of mine reviewed SAINTS II.

http://outlawvern.com/2010/03/10/boondock-saints-2/
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/11/10 07:20 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

Just watched BOONDOCK SAINTS again to prepare for the new sequel I got from Netflix -- I forget how much I love that movie!!


Ignoring the post above from some Caponian wannabe (lmao)... I actually enjoyed the sequel!

Sure, neither of the films are perfect -- I think the editing is very questionable in spots. Downright "WTF was that?" sometimes. And some of the acting is just straight-out bad (and sometime awesome). BUT, unlike some of the "scholars" on this forum, I can actually enjoy a movie without picking it to pieces and being a negative doosh about life.

Some people take shit too seriously, when they should learn to enjoy things more. It's not that difficult. tongue

If you liked BDS1, you should enjoy BDS2. If you hated BDS1, then watch it again without the stick up your\\\\\\ wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/11/10 01:20 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff


Ignoring the post above from some Caponian wannabe (lmao)... I actually enjoyed the sequel!


What do you mean comrade? Now excuse me I've got to lecture people about the joys of Marxism and how it is so not an irrelevant dead ideology. What Americans hate it? Well its their fault for not getting it. The wanker lot!

Originally Posted By: J Geoff


Sure, neither of the films are perfect


Translation: Yeah they suck, but I like'em regardless!

Originally Posted By: J Geoff


-- I think the editing is very questionable in spots.


That's like saying Michael Bay maybe likes his explosions too much.

Originally Posted By: J Geoff


Downright "WTF was that?" sometimes. And some of the acting is just straight-out bad (and sometime awesome). BUT, unlike some of the "scholars" on this forum, I can actually enjoy a movie without picking it to pieces and being a negative doosh about life.


Really? I'm one of the scholars now? Thanks for the degree.

Originally Posted By: J Geoff


Some take shit too seriously, when they should learn to enjoy things more. It's not that difficult. tongue


Geoff you're many thing. Published book author isn't one of them, unlike that one guy's review I linked (two books in fact), the guy who "take shit too seriously."

Amazing Geoff, you always play that snobbish elitist card against anybody who disagrees with you.

I like to think I'm more American because I'm more open to dissention to my opinion, thus I love America more.

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

If you liked BDS1, you should enjoy BDS2. If you hated BDS1, then watch it again without the stick up your\\\\\\ wink


But what if the stick is more interesting and more entertaining than the movie?

Now posh off.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/11/10 05:36 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Amazing Geoff, you always play that snobbish elitist card against anybody who disagrees with you.

Nah, I only play that card against you. lol Others I outright ignore. wink
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/01/10 09:14 AM

I just watched Phantom Punch which is a movie about Sonny Liston. I wasn't so much interested in Sonny Liston as I was interested in seeing a new movie from the director Robert Townsend and intrigued by what seemed like a pretty good cast in Ving Rhames, Stacey Dash, Nicholas Turturro, David Proval and Bridgette Wilson-Sampras.

However the movie is never really believable. It doesn't draw you in and I'm not sure why. Part of it could be the inconsistent depiction of segregation. On one hand we do see the racism and bigotry from police (especially) and media that was endemic at the time. The idea that police could casually call a man's wife out of her name or newspaper writers could throw around monkey jokes is astounding.

On the other hand we see Liston moving freely in Las Vegas or St. Louis nightclubs and casinos but Las Vegas did not end segregation in casinos until 1960, well after Liston had started his career. In addition, although Rhames captures the fear and intimidation that Liston evidently engendered in his opponents, the script never gives Rhames enough to work with. We never know WHY Liston was so scary or what drove him. While Rhames can play menacing better than anyone, at this point he's maybe 5-10 years too old to play Liston.

Because we never know why Liston frightened people so much the shocking nature of his loss to Muhammad Ali never translates to the viewer. It's just ho-hum. And speaking of Ali, can you really have a movie depiction of a man known as the Mouth from the South and not have him speak a single line of dialogue? Epic Fail. The fight scenes are shockingly bad. Completely unbelievable. Really bad, I say.

Turturro plays Liston's mob connection/friend and David Proval is Turturro's boss. Proval does scary almost as well as Rhames. Stacey Dash and Bridgette Wilson are the love interests.

Dash and Wilson are probably the best things about the movie but it's not for their acting ability. whistle

Liston's death was quite suspicious and was thought by some to be mob connected. Men who are scared of needles don't die of "heroin overdoses" especially when the autopsy doesn't reveal enough morphine in his body for an overdose. The movie's take is that it was mob connected but also for the most obvious and primal reason.

This movie was based in part on a book by Rob Steen. I would like to read that book.

I would give this film 2 out of 5 stars. I guess most of the blame would have to go to the director and writer(s). I still can't believe that a cast that good was in a movie that turned out like this. I would almost want to see this remade with mostly the same cast but a different director/writer. And no the movie does not resolve whether Liston took a dive in the second fight against Ali.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/06/10 06:09 PM

We watched "The Blind Side" last night. While I can see where some people might think it a bit too sappy and too Hollywood Happy Endings, it's nice to see a feel-good film once in a while.

I enjoyed the performances and was glad to see the photos of the real Michael Oher and his "family" at the end. As for those who have pooh-poohed Bullock's Oscar, I think her performance was quite understated. She could have ruined it by being more over the top with it, but I think she played it well.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/06/10 11:58 PM

I know that most of us on this Board think that the GF is the best movie ever made, but I just finished watching the Raging Bull and it is one hell of a great movie. DeNiro's perfomance surpasses his in GFII and Pesci's suprasses his in Casino or Goodfellas.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/07/10 12:15 AM

Believe it or not Oli, I have never seen Raging Bull. blush The only thing I can say is I usually an not drawn to sports themed movies (Rocky was an exception). grin I have heard nothing but good about it though. Someday this century, I'll get around to it. lol


TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/07/10 12:15 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I know that most of us on this Board think that the GF is the best movie ever made, but I just finished watching the Raging Bull and it is one hell of a great movie. DeNiro's perfomance surpasses his in GFII and Pesci's suprasses his in Casino or Goodfellas.


No doubt, Oli. Amazing that it was voted best film of the '80s on virtually every major critic's forum, yet it was beat out by "Ordinary People" for the Oscar in 1980. How's that possible? That's why I don't even watch the Academy Awards. They're all about politics and political correctness.

"Who's an animal? Your mother's an animal, you son of a bitch!"
Posted By: VitoC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/07/10 01:34 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
I know that most of us on this Board think that the GF is the best movie ever made, but I just finished watching the Raging Bull and it is one hell of a great movie. DeNiro's perfomance surpasses his in GFII and Pesci's suprasses his in Casino or Goodfellas.


No doubt, Oli. Amazing that it was voted best film of the '80s on virtually every major critic's forum, yet it was beat out by "Ordinary People" for the Oscar in 1980. How's that possible? That's why I don't even watch the Academy Awards. They're all about politics and political correctness.

"Who's an animal? Your mother's an animal, you son of a bitch!"


Raging Bull is #4 on the AFI's 2007 list of 100 best American movies ever, behind only Citizen Kane, The Godfather, and Casablanca.

There are numerous cases of one movie beating another at the Oscars and/or the box office, yet turning out to be not as highly regarded in the long run as it's competitor. Some examples (the first movie represents the Best Picture winner that year, the second the one that's more popular today):

1941-How Green Is My Valley/Citizen Kane

1968-Oliver!/2001: A Space Odyssey

1980-Ordinary People/Raging Bull

1981-Chariots of Fire/Raiders of the Lost Ark

1990-Dances with Wolves/GoodFellas

1994-Forrest Gump/The Shawshank Redemption (and Pulp Fiction as well)
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/07/10 01:59 AM

Raging Bull is a fantastic movie, and I think Jake LaMotta just might be DeNiro's greatest role. He took a completely unsympathetic character, a bum, an abuser of women, a man completely without class or perhaps even morals, and made you actually want to see what happened in his life.

Cathy Moriarty and Joe Pesci are also stellar. Moriarty is just gorgeous, but I don't think she ever lived up to the potential she showed in this role. And Pesci is beyond Pesci - just great.

My mother grew up in that neighborhood. The LaMotta brothers were older, but she knew them, and they often went to the same CYO dances. She said that they were real "cafones", and usually ended the evening in a fistfight, just like in the movie.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/10/10 01:21 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
... it was voted best film of the '80s on virtually every major critic's forum, yet it was beat out by "Ordinary People" for the Oscar in 1980. How's that possible?...


'Ordinary People' is an outstanding film. It got Robert Redford a Best Director Oscar as well. 'Raging Bull' great as it is was probably a bit too abstract to have gotten the majority of Best Picture votes back in 1980.

As for 'The Blind Side'...as soon as I saw it I knew that Sandra Bullock would get at the least a nomination. She does give an understated performance, and at the same time dominates the film. That takes quite a bit of talent & skill. ( I loved the scene where she calmly tells off her snobby girlfriends: "Shame on you...I've got the check" )
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/10/10 06:41 PM

Have any of you watched The Express on Cinemax about Syracuse running back Ernie Davis who died at 23 in 1963 after winning the the Heisman Trophy and entering the NFL? It not only illustrates his talents, but also the racial prejudice he faced and which abounded in the south.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 04/11/10 12:28 AM

I'm watching 'Judgment At Nuremberg'...right now on Turner Classic. One of the best movies ever made, great performances by all, including Best Actor winner, Maximilian Schell.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/01/10 06:04 AM


Just watched Michael Jackson's THIS IS IT and got saddened all over again. Regardless of what you may think of him, he was a terrific musical artist. And he continues to be sorely missed. frown
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/01/10 10:49 PM

JG, do you recommend it? I always saw him as such an unhappy man child. That's really the only way I could describe him.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/04/10 03:18 PM

I watched 44 inch Chest with Ray Winstone, John Hurt, Ian McShane, Tom Wilkinson, Stephen Dillane and JoAnne Whalley. I thought that it was going to be another British gangster movie. The cast was good.

But this was an incredibly boring movie. Nothing happens. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Even at the very end when one gets hopeful that something might happen, nothing happens.

It might have worked better as a play. Since most of the movie takes place in one room it certainly felt very stagey.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/04/10 06:14 PM

I caught a little bit of Pacino's "You Don't Know Jack" last night. Unfortunately it was late and I fell asleep. ohwell

It didn't seem like a bad movie at all. I "like" that from what I saw Al didn't go into one of his screaming rampages. Don't get me wrong I love him, but he was getting over the top with that IMHO. Only from the part I saw, he played Dr. Death very lowkey, softspoken. I'll have to catch the entire thing later.

Oh, and I didn't realize Susan Sarandon was in it and was amazed at hold old Brenda Vacarro looked (of course we never age do we?) lol . Anyone remember her? I remember she was going with Michael Douglas and was kind of pretty. Then, she seemed to balloon up. eek

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/04/10 09:10 PM

TIS, I saw some of it on Saturday. I liked it very much, but I ended up missing it because we had to go out. I need to see if it's on HBO On Demand.

While you were sort of surprised at Brenda Vaccaro, I was just amazed that John Goodman was still alive. He is one big man.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/04/10 09:35 PM

SB,

Yes, Goodman IS one big guy. First thing I thought of when I saw him in it was that he and Pacino were also in "Sea Of Love" together as well (I liked that movie) smile. I never minded Goodman, but I think Roseanne was probably his heyday no?

Oh, and I have HBO too. We should be able to get any HBO movie on demand. Unless of course, it's too new. I'll have to check.

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/04/10 11:45 PM

I love John Goodman. I could listen to his voice forever, that deep tone he has. One of my favorite movies of his was that scary one with Denzel Washington and a pre-Tony James Gandolfini. I can't remember the name of it, but it's the one with the bad spirit that passes from one person to the next.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/04/10 11:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I love John Goodman. I could listen to his voice forever, that deep tone he has. One of my favorite movies of his was that scary one with Denzel Washington and a pre-Tony James Gandolfini. I can't remember the name of it, but it's the one with the bad spirit that passes from one person to the next.


Yes, I believe it was "The Fallen". Tiiiiiime is on your side" LOL I liked that movie too. smile

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/05/10 12:01 AM

That movie scares the crap out of me. I can't hear that song without thinking about it.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/10/10 03:51 PM

Iron Man 2.

This was ok for what it was, a big budget special effects film.
Unlike the first movie, in this film less emphasis is placed on Robert Downey Jr's Tony Stark and a bit more on his various rivals and accomplices, played by Gynneth Paltrow, Mickey Rourke, Garry Shandling, Don Cheadle, Jon Favreau (who directed), Sam Rockwell and Scarlett Johannsen, who has rarely looked better btw. Samuel Jackson has a cameo.

Downey does a good job playing a spoiled lazy playboy with all the money and toys he could ever want. Rourke is a revenge seeking Russian and Rockwell does an excellent job parodying a Bill Gates like rival to Tony Stark, who competes with (and loses to) Stark on just about everything but like Wiley Coyote , always comes back for more. Stark is under pressure from both the US government and his economic rivals to share the Iron Man technology, which he refuses to do.

This movie doesn't take itself anywhere near as seriously as Dark Knight or Sin City and that's ok. Just mostly mindless fun that sets up a few more sequels.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/12/10 03:46 PM

I'm writing a film blog. You can read it here.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/12/10 03:49 PM

Did you write that entire blog, Mick?
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/12/10 03:50 PM

So far, yes.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/12/10 03:53 PM

Wow! eek

That'll keep me busy for awhile. Just as well, it's cold and rainy here in NYC today ohwell.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/15/10 10:36 PM

I just watched this again. The SSMF scene is one of my favorite scenes in the movie. Also like the shout out to Sweetback(Melvin Van Peebles).
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/16/10 01:38 AM

I just watched "Then Hangover" on HBO. I know it was kind of a "sleeper" hit, but I didn't think it'd be that good. I was laughing out loud. lol It was really funny. Anyone else see it?


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/16/10 03:58 AM

TIS, I felt the same way. I didn't think I was going to like it that much, but I almost wet my pants laughing. It was freaking hilarious.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/16/10 08:03 PM

SB,

I am still cracking up at the various hilarious parts of that movie and how it all fit together. lol I won't mention anything in particular so I don't give anything away, but I even watched half of it again on HBO am still laughing.


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/10 02:50 PM

We watched "Leap Year" last night. A cute, albeit predictable, romantic comedy. Had a few genuine laughs, and we enjoyed it. The best thing about it were the beautiful shots of Ireland.

TIS, we bought "The Hangover" last summer in Chinatown. The DVD was lacking in quality, and once the credits started to roll, whoever was filming it had to put the camera down. I understand that to miss the credits is to miss half the laughs, so we have to go back and watch it on HBO.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/10 03:01 PM

SB,

Oh yea, the credits is slide show of exactly what happened. It's hilarious. lol Talk about a wild night.

Btw, Hangover won some award (I think People's Choice). The cast went to the stage (it was a surprise hit)to accept. Guess who was in the audience and had to take his bows???? Mike Tyson rolleyes He's such a great actor after all. lol

TIS


Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/10 03:08 PM

The whole Mike Tyson scene was so freaking hilarious. The tiger, the baby, I don't want to say more because I don't want to give anything away.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/10 03:16 PM

I know what you mean. I told my daughter about it and her and her husband rented it last night. I can't wait to see what they thought.

I want to mention a couple things too (ie, the missing tooth, the surprise hospital visit, etc), but refrain so as not to ruin it. It was a comedy of errors all the way thru. LMAO

The end slide show shows how the Tyson thing went down (more or less). Talk about wasted lol

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/10 03:35 PM

Oh, I can't wait to go watch it now.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/10 04:11 PM


Wow, I gotta watch that later! Thanks wink
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/10 06:08 PM

Here's a trailer from The Hangover lol

TIS


Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/19/10 03:07 PM

Robin Hood is not a must-see film. It is a wait for DVD type movie. Unfortunately it plays down or removes entirely the class conflict elements of the legend in favor of LOTR style battle sequences and storyline. Ridiculous. The whole point of the legend is that these were common men standing up against tyranny and the rich. Without that the movie is just an interesting exercise in medieval battle techniques that I could have watched on the History channel or Spike TV.

A somewhat intriguing taming of the shrew type story between Robin and Maid Marian starts fitfully but is not very convincing. And Robin's most famous companions-Little John, Will Scarlett and Alan O'Dale are mostly reduced to bit players with little to do and no stories of their own.

The French are the main baddies in the film ,which again, assiduously works to play up a theme of nationalism instead of any sort of "little man standing for what's right". Given that Richard the Lion Heart, King of England, primarily spoke French, had spent very little time in England during his reign and had just about as much land in France as he did in England, the nationalistic element feels forced.

Primarily the movie is about how the man became Robin Hood, and not his exploits as Robin Hood, which is okay but probably should have been a different film. Max Von Sydow, Cate Blanchett, Kevin Durand and Danny Huston also star.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/21/10 05:37 PM

Thanks for that, Lilo.

I think I'll give it a miss.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/21/10 05:44 PM

Me, too. I'm kinda tired of Russell Crowe starring in the same movie over and over.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/23/10 03:31 AM

I just happened to tune in to Ferris Bueller's Day Off. I love that movie. lol It's just fun to watch. Nice shots of Chicago too. smile



TIS
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/23/10 05:06 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I just happened to tune in to Ferris Bueller's Day Off. I love that movie.

It's one of those few movies that I just tend to stop and watch if I'm flipping around. Well, at least until the first commercial break. ohwell
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/25/10 03:48 PM

Kiss Me, Deadly
I like film noir and this has to be one of the best.
Mike Hammer, as portrayed by Ralph Meeker, is a sadistic, amoral thug (and pimp) who likes hurting people and whose primary thoughts about every situation are what's in it for him. Watching Meeker literally strut through the film is a lot of fun. This was also Cloris Leachman's first film.

I love the black and white colors. The fact that much of the more horrific violence takes place off screen just makes it more powerful. The restored full ending makes much more sense.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/06/10 12:16 AM

Splice was an interesting departure from the torture-porn and slasher snuff films that make up a disproportionate number of horror films available today.

First things first. It is nowhere near as action packed or as violent as the trailers would have one believe. With a few notable exceptions, Splice does not show much violence or jumpy camera shots until the final 20 minutes of the movie.

The story is pretty simple. Two young scientists who are searching for a protein to heal animal diseases decide for reasons both scientific and personal to splice human DNA into their latest batch.

The Frankenstein motif is impossible to dodge (the two taboo breaking scientists ,Adrien Brody and Sarah Polley, are named Clive and Elsa while their creation, Dren is a dead ringer for Elsa Lanchester in Bride of Frankenstein) but MUCH more than Frankenstein it's Freud that provides the true horror in this film. It's the implications of what it means to be a parent and how we separate ourselves from our parents and/or our children that provide the scares in this film, not the special effects. Betrayal by or becoming like one's parent can be the ultimate horror.

Attention is also paid to the immorality of patenting life and how mega corporations are not to be trusted. I would be very surprised if the director and/or writers of this film were not at least sympathetic to animal rights arguments. There's an echo of those arguments here. Pets or children didn't ask to be here and deserve protection, not exploitation.

So it was a good movie. It is an intelligent bio-horror movie with a few disgusting and disturbing scenes but relatively light on gore. This tends to make the violent scenes stand out more. It's getting a lot of comparisons to Cronenberg but that's more in the quietness of the movie and the pacing than in the special effects or direction, IMO.

If this does well at the box office perhaps we will see top-line stars like Brody or Polley do more horror films.

Like some of the Frankenstein movies, the true horror in Splice is not in the "monster" created but in the motives and moral blind spots of those who created her. And Freud would have a field day with this movie. If you don't agree with or like Freudian theories, this is not the movie for you.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/06/10 03:03 AM

Thanks, Lilo. I like a movie that scares you AND makes you think. Sounds like this has a good cast, too.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/07/10 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Thanks, Lilo. I like a movie that scares you AND makes you think. Sounds like this has a good cast, too.


Yes, it was an interesting little flick. The other movie/story that came to mind besides the heavy Freud stuff (which WAS disturbing) was The Isle of Dr Moreau.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/07/10 10:30 PM

I saw two films at the pictures yesterday. Michael Winterbottom's The Killer Inside Me, a vacant adaptation of Jim Thompson's novel, and Werner Herzog's energetic The Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans.

I reviewed the first film here.

Thoughts on Herzog's:
An energetic film for which everyone involved has seemingly said, "Fuck it" to all general notions of taste, merit and seriousness. It's genuinely hilarious at times, and there hasn't been a mainstream film so effortlessly bizarre in a long time - its best moment sees Nicolas Cage remove an old woman's oxygen supply, yelling, "You selfish c_unt! You people are what's wrong with this country!" which is telling of its confused absurdity.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/08/10 05:23 AM

I watched Hot Fuzz (2007) the other night -- and don't even know how it ended up in my Netflix queue. While I think British humour is sometimes a bit out there, I thought it was pretty funny while still keeping my interest.

It's about an overachieving cop in London who's sent to the boonies so the rest of the Force police officers don't look so bad. But, of course, there's always a secret in idyllic places.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/08/10 09:40 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
I watched Hot Fuzz (2007) the other night -- and don't even know how it ended up in my Netflix queue. While I think British humour is sometimes a bit out there, I thought it was pretty funny while still keeping my interest.

It's about an overachieving cop in London who's sent to the boonies so the rest of the Force police officers don't look so bad. But, of course, there's always a secret in idyllic places.


"Punch That S***!!!!" smile
This is a TV tropes discussion of that film which does contain some spoilers
Click to reveal..
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/08/10 02:49 PM

We got "The Whole Shebang" from Netflix. It starred Giancarlo Gianninni (sp?) and Talia Shire as the head of the Bazzini family of Neptune, NJ, which owns a fireworks factory. Stanley Tucci is their nephew from Napoli who comes to help them out after their son accidentally blows up part of the factory (and all of himself) while screwing around behind his wife's back.

The movie was very cute and had a few genuine laughs. I love just about anything that Stanley Tucci does. I believe he is one of the most versatile actors around.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/09/10 02:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe

The movie was very cute and had a few genuine laughs. I love just about anything that Stanley Tucci does. I believe he is one of the most versatile actors around.


Did you ever watch "The Imposters" or "Big Night" ? He is a lead in both of those.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/09/10 02:30 PM

I haven't seen those, but I love him in "Devil Wears Prada" and "Shall We Dance". I understand he was perfectly creepy in "The Lovely Bones", but I haven't seen it yet.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/09/10 02:55 PM

"The Imposters" was a silly little film with Oliver Platt and Tucci as two down on their luck actors/conmen who hitch a ride on a ship in the 1930's(?) and as the title indicates end up pretending to be people they aren't. In the meantime they try to avoid their pompous actor rival Bertram (Alfred Molina) who is also on the ship and discover plots to blow up the ship and assassinate an African Prince. It's screwball comedy and is shot in black and white. It also has Hope Davis, Steve Buscemi, Tony Shalhoub, Isabella Rossellini and Woody Allen in a cameo.

"Big Night" is also humorous but more serious. It's about two Italian immigrant brothers , Primo (Shalhoub) and Secondo(Tucci) who have opened an authentic Italian restaurant in 1950's New Jersey. Unfortunately, Primo, who is the chef, is THOROUGHLY opposed to dumbing down the cuisine, even going so far as to chase away a customer who dares ask for a side of pasta with some rice. Primo thinks that if you stick to doing things the right way, sooner or later people will come around.

Secondo is the maitre'd and brains for the business side. He is more pragmatic than his brother. He knows that they can't keep the restaurant going, especially not when their cross-street competitor Pascal (Ian Holm) is stealing ALL their business with a more generic Americanized Italian style. Evidently out of the kindness of his heart Pascal offers to arrange for Louis Prima to show up at the brothers' restaurant. This will save their business. So the brothers, and their wives/girlfriends/employee put everything they have into one Big Night to either save their business or go out in a flame of glory. The arguments and silent squabbles between the brothers are familiar to anyone with a sibling.
Isabella Rossellini and Minnie Driver also star. Tucci directed this one.



Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/09/10 03:03 PM

Lilo, "Big Night" is just about my favorite independent film of all-time. How about an unknown, baby-faced Mark Anthony as the busboy?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/09/10 03:08 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Lilo, "Big Night" is just about my favorite independent film of all-time. How about an unknown, baby-faced Mark Anthony as the busboy?


That's right! I forgot that was him...
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/21/10 02:44 PM

Unthinkable:
directed by Gregor Jordan and starring Samuel L. Jackson, Carrie-Anne Moss and Michael Sheen.

This is literally a "ticking bomb" of a movie. A terrorist sympathizer (Michael Sheen) who just also happens to be a nuclear physicist of near genius level intelligence has smuggled enough stolen nuclear material into the US to make 3 large scale nuclear devices. He has placed these in 3 cities across the US and has threatened that all three bombs will be detonated if his demands aren't met.

He is chased after by a hastily assembled FBI task force led by Carrie Anne Moss but the FBI discovers that the military has already captured the bomb maker and intends to interrogate him at a "black" site. This interrogation will be led by the enigmatic "H", an independent contractor played by Samuel L. Jackson, who reports to men in suits with no names and whose methods of extracting information start at evil, ramp up to depraved and zoom to unthinkable-thus the title of the film.

In many of his movies Jackson plays the sarcastic, verbally bombastic infuriated Alpha male but in this one it really works. This is literally life and death. The film questions if the only way to defeat evil is to employ evil and also wonders how far any of us would go if millions of lives were at stake.

The parallels to "24" are obvious but unlike Jack Bauer, "H" is not even remotely shown as heroic. Carrie-Anne Moss as the lead FBI agent is the film's conscience and her doubts mirror the audiences (and the US population's own). There is definite moral decay shown by all three leads in this film-some are just further along than others.

Good stuff. If you see it I would see the unrated version with the alternate ending. In any event it is as much a horror film as it is a suspense thriller and political indictment .

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/06/10 08:27 PM

Don McKay

This was an independent neo-noir film starring Thomas Haden Church, Elisabeth Shue, Keith David, James Rebhorn, M. Emmet Walsh and Melissa Leo. The writing and first time direction probably didn't live up to such a good cast but the performances are strong.

Church is Don McKay, a mid forties custodian who left his hometown 25 years ago after a unmentioned disaster in high school. He gets a letter from his unrequited high school love, Sunny (Shue) who is dying and wants to see him again. When he gets back to his hometown he finds that things aren't quite as they seem. Sunny seems to have strange gaps in her memory and her nurse (Leo) is hostile to Don for no apparent reason.

This has Coen Brothers influence dripping all over it, particularly in the ending. But it was still a mostly worthwhile effort. Shue has aged pretty well. I don't know why she's not in more films.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/06/10 08:41 PM

The Crazies

This is a paint by the numbers modern "zombie" movie. I think George Romero was one of the executive producers. It stars Timothy Olyphant and Radha Mitchell as a couple in a small midwestern town who must try to find out what's going on and then escape when more and more of their neighbors start going berserk and comitting shocking acts of violence. Unlike "Funny Games" or even "The Strangers" there's not a REAL feeling of suspense in this movie. But it's still well made and worth watching if you have nothing better to do with ninety minutes.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 03:55 AM


Where the Wild Things Are (2009)

Watched this last night. Hadn't read "the book" since I was a kid, but remembered it was pretty bizarre. So's this. Plus hearing Tony Soprano's voice coming from the main monster character added to the bizarreness. I'll have to dig up my copy of the children's book (packed away in the garage somewhere) before I rate it, to see how true it is. But so far I wasn't too thrilled. ohwell
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 02:16 PM

My daughter LOVED that movie. She's driving me nuts because she wants to see "Despicable Me" on Friday, but we were hoping to see it as a family. If one of my girls says, "It's so FLUFFY!" one more time, I think my head will explode.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 03:03 PM

Okay,I'm embarrassed to admit it but my wife and I ordered the first 2 "Twilight" movies on demand and actually liked them. We are fortysomething and wanted to see what all the fuss is about. Gotta admit it - they were pretty good. Maybe I can take her to the movies and see the new third sequel and neck in the back row? Although, I think she liked the shirtless young werewolf boy a little too much...
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark
Maybe I can take her to the movies and see the new third sequel and neck in the back row?

Then maybe you guys can catch a Justin Bieber concert.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 03:28 PM

The Twilight films and novels are probably what you'd expect from a fundamentalist Mormon author.

This is what I wrote about the first film:

The hype surrounding this franchise - taken from bestselling novels written by a fundamentalist Mormon - might suggest a divisive, love-or-hate slice of pop culture. But what is essentially a head-over-heels swoon-fest for both Robert Pattinson the actor and Ed Cullen the character (the former is awkward and the latter impossibly perfect) is also, barring the fact the object of desire is a vampire (who sparkles in sunlight!), decidedly ordinary.

And the second:

Nostalgic and juvenile in the same way that Star Wars was nostalgic and juvenile, this sequel is less unassuming than the first film and more incoherent. Attempting to complicate or add dimension to the one-note romance of the first film by expanding on the character of Jacob, this is let down by seemingly rushed CGI work and a very dull action finale set in Rome. Isabella's essential emotional flimsiness is never explored; the generic coming-of-age hysteria instead boils down to her eternal faith in a vampire, which would all be fine and permissible if the film didn't take such relish in its higher pretensions of seriousness. Dawson's Creek was better.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 03:49 PM

lol Atsa gooda one, Pizzaboy! clap
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 03:49 PM

Mark, I'm with Capo on this. I watched the first film on cable and was afraid that my eyes were going to fall right out of my head from all the eye-rolling. I did see Robert Pattinson on Jay Leno the other night, and found him quite charming, though. I don't understand the appeal of Lautner, though. Talk about a horse face! YUK.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark
lol Atsa gooda one, Pizzaboy! clap

Sometimes, when I forget to drink in the morning, I get off a pretty good one whistle.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I don't understand the appeal of Lautner, though.
He was 16 or 17 when New Moon was filmed...!

Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 03:58 PM

Give the boy all the six packs in the world, he still has a horse-face. Not appealing in the least. Blame it on his youth perhaps, but the few times I've seen him appear on talk shows, he seems quite stupid as well. At least Pattinson seemed to have a brain in his head.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 03:59 PM

Stephen King wrote that Stephanie Meyer was a horrible writer and that her books were primarily aimed at pre-teen/young teen girls , though I don't think he wrote that one had anything to do with the other. I haven't seen him be so blunt about writers-usually he's pretty supportive. I had no interest in the book or film. Capo's excerpt above makes it sound like what I thought it was-a romance novel with vampires. Just not my thing...
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 04:03 PM

I remember that, Lilo. He's gotten more critical in his old age, I have to admit. What's odd is that he can't say enough good things about JK Rowling, another female author (of limited writing skills), who became a gazillionaire under much the same circumstances as Meyer.

That said, I have ZERO interest in Meyer's books, or the films.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 04:07 PM

Lilo, I know that you posted a You Tube video recently about the Twilight saga that summed up my feelings pretty well.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 04:46 PM

I've always been a fan of vampire movies and usually will see them. I only saw the first Twilight and probably will rent or see the other two eventually.

To be honest, I even prefer the new Vampire Diaries tv show and even moreso prefer the cancelled (and revived for the summer to show right after Vampire Diaries on Thursdays), Moonlight with Alex O'Loughlin,(who btw, will play Steve McGarret's son on the revived Hawaii 5-0) which is more for the "older" crowd as opposed to the teens.

Can't think of my favorite Vampire movie, but I must admit, I do like the very different "Lost Boys." smile

TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 06:19 PM

I think things go in cycles and right now the concept of vampire as romantic heartthrob, bisexual androgyne or Byronic anti-hero seems to be what sells. I don't really care for any of that. I much prefer the idea of soulless monster, undead parasite or bloodsucking ghoul. The myth is flexible enough to have something for everyone and eventually the Twilight stuff will die down and other interpretations will get their chance to be seen.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/07/10 07:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
I think things go in cycles and right now the concept of vampire as romantic heartthrob, bisexual androgyne or Byronic anti-hero seems to be what sells. I don't really care for any of that. I much prefer the idea of soulless monster, undead parasite or bloodsucking ghoul. The myth is flexible enough to have something for everyone and eventually the Twilight stuff will die down and other interpretations will get their chance to be seen.
You're right. I don't mind vampirism as a genre or romance as a genre, nor do I mind them both together - I love the idea of physical manifestations of emotions, with all that other allegorical baggage such as infecting your lover with incurably contaminated blood, the physicality of flesh, etc.

It's just Twilight and its sequels is badly written garbage with no attempt at seriousness. The whole abstinence thing is cringe-worthy.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/08/10 03:27 PM

Capo, apparently book #4 should be adapted by David Cronenberg (old school, not the recently mainstream respected) because somehow it was able to sell off pedophilic-sex slavery to middle America.

Meyer should be commended for such fucking nonsense.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/10 08:33 PM

Brooklyn's Finest
Directed by Anotoine Fuqua ("Training Day") and starring Don Cheadle, Ethan Hawke, Richard Gere, Will Patton, Ellen Barkin, Wesley Snipes, Vincent D'onofrio, Bryan O'Byrne and "The Wire" veterans Hassan Johnson , Isiah Whitlock, and Michael K. Williams, this movie was ok. Not special. It didn't go over any new ground. It was shot almost entirely in and around a Brownsville Brooklyn Housing project which was evidently quite dangerous.

It tells the interlinked stories of three Brooklyn cops-Hawke, Gere and Cheadle. Hawke is a desperado who is tired of his low pay and living in a mold infested house which is killing his wife and kids. Since he works in narcotics he has an opportunity to do something about it.

Cheadle is an undercover narcotics cop who is fed up with the racism and nepotism within the department but who needs to make a bust of recently released dealer Casanova (Snipes) in order to get his long overdue promotion. Problem is he's finding that Snipes' character is in many ways more honorable than Cheadle's supervisors.

And Gere is a cynical cop who's long stopped caring about anything or anyone. He's only seven days away from retirement. He's obviously low ambition or has the ability to p*** people off since he's still walking a beat at his age. Intermittently suicidal, Gere's only solace is the stereotypical hooker with the heart of gold.

You can pretty much tell each character's fate from the description above. There weren't a lot of surprises here. Hawke does frustration and irritation just as well as Cheadle does sarcasm and intensity. The film was well shot, well directed and looks good but the story is just so-so.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/10 08:59 PM

Hot Tub Time Machine
This movie starred John Cusack, Craig Robinson, Chevy Chase and two other actors whose names I can't be bothered to look up right now. The premise of the movie is just what the title says. Three middle aged friends who aren't doing very well in life wind up on vacation in a hot tub that takes them and Cusack's nephew back in time to 1986.

There, they can either try to figure out how to get back to the present day and not change ANYTHING or be more selfish or daring and take the opportunity to change everything about their life-though who knows what will happen then.

This is close to a lower rent "The Hangover" but not quite as well written. Again, there are no surprises about what some of the characters will do. Anyone who grew up in the eighties will certain appreciate some of the jokes and sets, though. Also anyone who wonders about the romantic interest that got away will enjoy some of the scenes here. Overall though, a bit crude. Rather, extremely crude.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/10 01:03 AM

I was so impressed by the cast members of "Brooklyn's Finest", but was disappointed by the reviews.

Has anyone seen "City Island"? I heard such good things about it, but it was gone from the local theaters before I had a chance to see it. I don't think it's out on DVD yet.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/10 01:16 AM

I just watched "Grace Is Gone" with John Cusak on Lifetime last night. A lowkey, yet much like "Taking Chance", it was very touching. smile


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/10 01:27 AM

Hi, TIS!! My daughter hates John Cusack, and any time I want to watch one of his movies, she has a fit! LOL
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/10 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Hi, TIS!! My daughter hates John Cusack, and any time I want to watch one of his movies, she has a fit! LOL




Hi SB,

I can't really name a Cusak movie I've seen, but I'm sure I've seen one or two. I don't dislike him, but never have been interested in seeing many of his movies. ohwell This one sounded pretty good.

TIS
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/10 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I just watched "Grace Is Gone" with John Cusak on Lifetime last night. A lowkey, yet much like "Taking Chance", it was very touching. smile


TIS
I saw the premiere of this film at the London Film Festival in 2007. I went with my university's film society, of which I was the then president, and I was possibly the only person that liked it. It's very sugary and skirts over a lot of wider issues, but as a linear, sparse film about a father deciding how and when to tell his children that their mother has been killed in combat, I found it very affecting.

Cusack's a great actor.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/10 06:40 PM

Capo, I know what you are saying. I really only knew the basic storyline of the film. I thought they might show flashbacks of Grace or give us some insight on their relationship; or even show perhaps exactly how she died.

I can get teared up pretty easily when I see people suffer (even if in movies). When he was at his brother's house all alone in the bedroom crying was sad, but leaving messages on the home phone as though Grace was there, was particularily touching. Then again, I'm a big sap. smile Not a fantastic movie but more of a "real" movie focusing only on one man's struggle to tell his children that their mother is gone.

TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/19/10 09:51 AM

Chloe

I wanted to watch this because of the director, Atom Egoyan and the lead actress Julianne Moore. It also stars Liam Neeson and Amanda Seyfried. The easiest way to describe it is sort of a "Fatal Attraction" with the genders reversed and a healthy dose of Oedipal overtones. In some respects it's much of a piece with the sort of B-movies that Shannon Whirry and Shannon Tweed made back in the late eighties/early nineties. So in that respect Julianne Moore is slumming quite a bit but people have to eat I guess.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/10 12:08 AM

Why is everybody so down on the 'Twilight Saga' movies? Have to admit, I wouldn't have known a thing about them were it not for my 11yr old daughter...but I think they're neat!! You have to remember it's a love story more than anything else. And it's geared toward teens, more than true 'Vampire' junkies. Not simply Dracula going from victim to victim and turning into a bat...

Taylor Lautner's not a 'horse-face'. Awefully nasty comment. He's a good looking kid but Pattinson clearly has the 'personality'. While Lautner's good in the part of Jacob the buff body he had to acquire between 'Twilight' & 'New Moon' in order to keep playing the role just seems out of place for his persona. Hopefully when he's through with this film series he'll be able to keep a more 'normal' body.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/10 01:28 AM

I don't know, but I think there's a resemblance. lol




Posted By: ginaitaliangirl

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/10 01:41 AM

SB, I was reading through this page and saw your picture of the dude, then came back here to post about my "movie just watched," and suddenly the horse picture pops up next to him. How convenient that you even include a comparison pic. lol

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I just had to share that I watched The Usual Suspects for the first time, yesterday with my mom, who also had never seen it. I MUST watch it again. grin
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/10 02:59 AM

I love "The Usual Suspects". It's such an engaging cast and script. Talk about a great ensemble cast!
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/10 05:44 PM














LOL!!! I still don't see it, but you gotta admit the kid did what he had to to avoid being replaced. (They were going to recast the part if Lautner couldn't get buffed up enough for Jake's 'transition' in New Moon. He had a much smaller build in the 1st film.)

A few months ago my daughter was watching a Disney movie with characters named 'Lava Girl' and 'Shark Boy'....made around 2005. I recognized 'Shark Boy' as Taylor Lautner, he had to be around 12-13 at the time. So, I guess he's had a pretty decent career that will hopefully continue into adulthood after this 'Twilight' series ends.

I also really enjoyed 'L.A. Confidential' recently. Came across it on TCM around 3a.m. one night, intended to switch channels after 5 minutes but got caught up in the story right away. I believe that marked Russel Crowe's first Oscar nomination, and a win for Kim Bassinger as Best Supporting Actress. REALLY good movie.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/10 06:00 PM

I've seen bits and pieces of "LA Confidential", but never the whole thing. Kim Basinger was stunning in that role - really captured the feel of old Hollywood glamor.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/10 07:16 PM

"LA Confidential" is worth watching all the way through.
It's based on the book by James Ellroy, who's a pretty effective but odd writer who has a lot of interest in the LA of yesteryear. The movie "Black Dahlia" was also based in part on one of his books. If you liked the part of "LA Confidential" that you saw I imagine you'd also like "Black Dahlia".
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/10 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
"LA Confidential" is worth watching all the way through.
It's based on the book by James Ellroy, who's a pretty effective but odd writer who has a lot of interest in the LA of yesteryear. The movie "Black Dahlia" was also based in part on one of his books. If you liked the part of "LA Confidential" that you saw I imagine you'd also like "Black Dahlia".


The best movie based on the Black Dahlia murder was "True Confessions." Great book. Great film.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/10 07:22 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

The best movie based on the Black Dahlia murder was "True Confessions." Great book. Great film.

Is that the one with DeNiro, Duvall and Durning?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/10 07:31 PM

Turnbull has recommended that as well. It's one of those movies on my "to watch" list that I just never got to, along with LA Confidential. Don't know why, but I really should.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/21/10 07:02 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
"True Confessions." Great book. Great film.

One of Plaw's favorites. cool
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/21/10 02:15 PM

You know that was on one of the cable stations a couple weeks ago. I was debating watching, but for whatever reason, I didn't end up seeing it. It DOES sound interesting though. smile


TIS
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/21/10 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Chloe
The easiest way to describe it is sort of a "Fatal Attraction" with the genders reversed and a healthy dose of Oedipal overtones.
It's a 'remake' of Anne Fontaine's 2003 film Nathalie, starring Fanny Ardant and Gérard Depardieu, with Emmanuelle Béart in the title role.

I saw the Egoyan last October at the LFF and thought it was dreadful; Moore hams it up to the max and I was regretfully reminded of Magnolia throughout.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/21/10 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Apple
Why is everybody so down on the 'Twilight Saga' movies?
Because they're mostly dreadful.

Originally Posted By: Apple
You have to remember it's a love story more than anything else. And it's geared toward teens, more than true 'Vampire' junkies.
Vampires are 'in' again and so Meyer's worldview has commercial worth. It's pretty cynical stuff overall.

As a 'love story' it's one-dimensional - just because it's aimed at young'ns doesn't mean it can't be otherwise, unless we're actively seeking to condescend to the young.

Absolutely nothing is made of Bella's essential emotional transience, her moral fickleness or the fact she invests all trust and faith in someone at the expense of actually living a life.

I can see why that sort of thing - the uncritical stance on many would-be important issues - has a certain appeal to a certain sort of mindset, though...
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/21/10 06:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Chloe
The easiest way to describe it is sort of a "Fatal Attraction" with the genders reversed and a healthy dose of Oedipal overtones.
It's a 'remake' of Anne Fontaine's 2003 film Nathalie, starring Fanny Ardant and Gérard Depardieu, with Emmanuelle Béart in the title role.

I saw the Egoyan last October at the LFF and thought it was dreadful; Moore hams it up to the max and I was regretfully reminded of Magnolia throughout.


I heard it was a remake, thanks for the confirmation. I will have to see the original.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/22/10 01:45 AM

Adding onto Capo's beatdown...those books have a fucking weird abstinence allegory to them, followed by some fucked up pedophila.

Yet Middle America gobbles it up like Meth.

Thank you Meyer.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/22/10 10:43 AM

I just didn't think that the Twilight movies/books were aimed at my demographic. rolleyes From what I can tell they are primarily romance novels just overlaid with vampire myths. I'm a huge Brian Lumley fan and by comparison the Twilight vampires seem somewhat effete. Not that there's anything wrong with that.... lol The world is big enough for different versions of myths. Hopefully if a Necroscope movie is ever made it will put some bite back into the genre.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/24/10 10:04 PM

Salt
This starred Angelina Jolie, Liev Schreiber, and Chiwetel Ejiofor. Andre Braugher has a brief cameo.

Originally this was to star Tom Cruise in the lead role but he declined and the movie was rewritten for Jolie. If there's one actress who can make you believe that she has the capacity to fight men and occasionally win it's the statuesqe Jolie. I think Jolie is much better suited for this than Cruise would have been. I have trouble believing Cruise could win a fight with the paperboy.

Jolie is a deep cover CIA agent (Evelyn Salt) who is interrogating a Russian defector who suddenly states that Jolie is actually a deep cover Russian mole planning an assassination. Jolie refuses to be interrogated in turn and escapes. Mayhem ensues. Schreiber is Jolie's CIA supervisor, who doesn't want to believe she's gone bad. Ejiofor is a counterintelligence officer who does everything by the book even as he starts to notice some anomalies.

The movie is fun but mindless. The director realizes this and attempts to make up for it by plenty of closeups of Jolies' lush lips or pencil skirted legs. Jolie's character even uses her panties to escape lockdown. While this is... interesting clap lol I'm not sure it really balances out a script that has some very obvious holes in logic and some misdirection that doesn't quite work. I probably should have waited for DVD. In its defense though the movie is anything but ponderous and moves pretty quickly. It's just under 90 minutes. In general though I couldn't really care about any of the characters. They didn't quite come across as real.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/25/10 12:36 AM

SALT was pretty forgettable. Why can't Angie make a good action movie for once?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/25/10 03:04 AM

Wow, you guys saw it already? eek It just opened yesterday. Even tho I love movies like the Bourne films, I've never been into the "Bond-ish" movies, don't know why. Not really a Jolie fan either, so most likely I won't see the movie.


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/25/10 11:22 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Wow, you guys saw it already? eek It just opened yesterday. Even tho I love movies like the Bourne films, I've never been into the "Bond-ish" movies, don't know why. Not really a Jolie fan either, so most likely I won't see the movie.


TIS


A friend of mine dismissed it as "Jason Bourne with a vagina," and that sounds about right.

I like those BOURNE movies because asides from good cast and thrilling captivating action cinema....I generally care about that character. Rootable kickass underdog born and shaped by the 2000s much like Dirty Harry was in the 1970s, both loners sticking it to "The Man" establishment.

That said, I'm sick of uncreative Hollywood still aping Mr. Bourne because they either don't know any better or they refuse to be different.

In contrast, look at INCEPTION which isn't Bourne bullshit with the action cinematography and its rather damn good with that sorta thing. OR to put it another way, no moment in SALT ever come close to impressing me like that hallway fight in the no-gravity hotel floor in INCEPTION.

Perhaps a reason, among others, why INCEPTION held off SALT at the box office this weekend.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/25/10 11:38 PM

RR,

Funny mentioning the Bourne films. I am watching the Bourne Identity on FX right now. I've seen it several times, and even have the DVD, but I can't resist seeing it again (it has been a little while since I've seen it at least). smile


TIS

P.S. Btw, of all the newer current movie releases, Inception is the only one that I would like to see.
Posted By: Tru_Bizelli

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/28/10 07:28 AM

Stallionette, I just watched The Bourne Identity the other night too. :-) Crazy!

Anyway, I got to this thread by searching "wisegal movie" - Its a movie listed in the sidebar, supposed to be on tonight the 28th. If its the one with Mariah Carey its a good movie but I don't know what channel LMN is? Is that Lifetime Movie Network? Just a wild frickin guess!

Good Movie though if its the one I'm thinking about ...

BIZ
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/28/10 09:20 PM

I watched RAY again the other night, still just as good the as the first time i watched it, amazing sound track and acting Jamie Foxx very much deserved the oscar he won for his role,he was so convincing as Ray Charles..

8/10
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/29/10 06:28 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
RR,

Funny mentioning the Bourne films. I am watching the Bourne Identity on FX right now. I've seen it several times, and even have the DVD, but I can't resist seeing it again (it has been a little while since I've seen it at least). smile


TIS


It might be the weakest of the series, but IDENTITY has a real high rewatchability for several reasons which I already mentioned quite a few few, but I'll offer another, same one why compared to the genre, this one has a higher-than-average female fandom.

Most actioneers are male empowerment fantasies, classic example being James Bond. Save the day, blow everything up, get the girl, all that. Matt Damon though in IDENTITY, he isn't bare chest and doesn't toss the villain into a volcano and wise-crack "you're fired!"

In fact remember when he beats the shit out of those cops, and simultaneously learning that he's both an ass-kicking master and knows quite several tongues fluently? Most action pictures, the male audience avatar would think oh cool, but Damon is horrified. Indeed I thought that cafe scene was terrific, why would a person know all these things?

IDENTITY walks a very fine line between legitimate badass mechanics and being sensitive, not too macho silly like say RAMBO 2 but not too brooding mopey "wussy" like say TWILIGHT.

I'm reminded of that anecdote about how director Doug Liman was able to get IDENTITY greenlighted. Universal (at the time at least) had a mostly female-executive board and he pitched IDENTITY as this: "The movie is not as what it would be like to be Jason Bourne, but what it would be like to date him."

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


P.S. Btw, of all the newer current movie releases, Inception is the only one that I would like to see.


I actually would recommend it. Mind you though, its not one of those mindless titles where you can talk on the phone, go to the snack bar, clip your nails, and you wouldn't miss anything important. Like SALT.

You have to pay attention. Not Ph.D-necessary complicated, but the movie carefully takes its time (some complain too long) to set up this universe and the rules and stakes, all that. But if you stick with the movie, it will pay off once by the 2nd/3rd act you basically figure the whole scheme of things here.

Sure maybe one or tiny two plot details I'm not exactly too sure myself when thinking it over logically, but as a whole it comes together without the narrative spoonfeeding you like the filmmakers think you can't help drooling or something. It helps the 3rd act is beautifully/excitingly well cut together with Oscar-worthy editing between all the different situations by this crackerjack team during this mission. Box-office seems to indicate that most people areseemingly "getting it" at the very basic level of entertainment.

Or at the least, you'll enjoy the much-raved fight in the gravity-free room, done without CGI. An attempt to bring back magic to movie FX that isn't simply done by some fat asshole behind a laptop. Fascinating too that the best action scene doesn't involve the top star either.

Now the hype for INCEPTION is ridiculous. I'm much more with Capo's opinion of sorts, except more estatic. It's not 2001 or redefniing cinema nor is Nolan the next Kubrick/Spielberg, he's just the next Nolan.

It's a blockbuster thriller at heart, doing a tricky dance to be mainstream accessible while not your usual bullshit. A well-crated, well-executed, well-acted, well-imaginative, smarter than the season usually allow memorable blockbuster thriller.

Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/29/10 08:41 PM

INCEPTION is number 3 on imdb.com already with a average of 9.1 and even Toy Story 3 is in the top 10 wink
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/29/10 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
It's a blockbuster thriller at heart, doing a tricky dance to be mainstream accessible while not your usual bullshit. A well-crated, well-executed, well-acted, well-imaginative, smarter than the season usually allow memorable blockbuster thriller.
Which isn't saying all that, really.

Anyone who thinks Inception is genuinely thought-provoking hasn't seen enough films.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/10 01:32 AM

I've noticed you like saying "all that" in this thread recently.

I wonder if you're negatively stimulated in response more to the hype about Nolan than about his supposed qualities (or detractions) as a director? He may not be "all that" *fingers snap*, but he made a few movies I liked.

Not to delegitimize your emotions, but I must admit there is currency here. The obnoxiously loud Nolan=Kubrick, Nolan=Spielberg comparisons are either ignorantly daft or just the usual mass fanboy nation simultaneous jerk off. But we can't be victims of noise as they are.

Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
INCEPTION is number 3 on imdb.com already with a average of 9.1 and even Toy Story 3 is in the top 10 wink


With more votes in, both will fall way way way down. That's what happened to DARK KNIGHT, and any new highly praised/popular movie initially for that matter.

Incidentally, INCEPTION and TOY STORY 3 are the only mainstream mass-release American movies I've seen in the last 3 months that I would actually consider worth watching. I might have added IRON MAN 2 too at one point, but that one quickly fades in memory to the point of watchable irrelevance. Like most television.

How is my pretentious prose?
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/10 08:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Ronnie
I've noticed you like saying "all that" in this thread recently.
This week on "RRA's Cryptic Wit"...

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Originally Posted By: Ronnie
I wonder if you're negatively stimulated in response more to the hype about Nolan than about his supposed qualities (or detractions) as a director?
Yeah, the critical hype currently surrounding Nolan and his work has given me inclination to give him further attention. But that hype is directly related to his 'supposed qualities as a director', so any discussion in relation to that is obviously going to be directly related to those things. I'm not discussing his dress sense or facial expressions here, because there's no hype surrounding them therefore no need to engage in any criticism of them.

Or in other words, in responding to the 'hype' I'm unavoidably having to respond to the films themselves.

If people were coming out of seeing Nolan's recent films and saying, 'They're pseudo-serious pretentious action films with no genuinely intellectual engagement' (which his last two films have been, unquestionably), then I probably wouldn't feel the need to chip in my opinion other than to give approval of the consensus.

But because a lot of people aren't saying that sort of stuff, I feel obliged to speak out.

Originally Posted By: Ronnie
He may not be "all that" *fingers snap*, but he made a few movies I liked.
He's made a few I like too. What's your point?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/10 09:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
This week on "RRA's Cryptic Wit"...

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I was refering to this particular previous entry of yours in the Random Movie/TV postings:

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
I've written a two-part article on why Christopher Nolan's films aren't all that.

Christopher Nolan: A self-serious mannerism, Part 1; and Part 2.


*fingers snap snap*

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Yeah, the critical hype currently surrounding Nolan and his work has given me inclination to give him further attention. But that hype is directly related to his 'supposed qualities as a director', so any discussion in relation to that is obviously going to be directly related to those things. I'm not discussing his dress sense or facial expressions here, because there's no hype surrounding them therefore no need to engage in any criticism of them.

Or in other words, in responding to the 'hype' I'm unavoidably having to respond to the films themselves.

If people were coming out of seeing Nolan's recent films and saying, 'They're pseudo-serious pretentious action films with no genuinely intellectual engagement' (which his last two films have been, unquestionably), then I probably wouldn't feel the need to chip in my opinion other than to give approval of the consensus.


Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
He's made a few I like too. What's your point?


All that may be true, but if you explain why you indulge, I don't think you made the case why you should.

One of your country's stupid papers (Guardian?) had a general public poll which named Steven Spielberg the greatest director ever.

Is he? No. Do I get why he won that vote? Sure, he won several Oscars and made quite a few titles which (for a good time once) were the most successful at the global box-office, stacked atop each other like pancakes. Including a few that were rubbish like LOST WORLD, WAR OF THE WORLDS, E.T., etc. And so what?

But all that, like the Nolan "hype" which aggitates you so very much, is noise, racket that is distractful of what actually matters: Filmography's quality or lack thereof. Nolan made MEMENTO, which I liked. Spielberg made DUEL, underrated probably even among his biggest enthusiasts. I didn't see Beard-whore J.J. Abrams bring that title up when he announced SUPER 8.

Wow I said "all that" too. Awesome. smile

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra


But because a lot of people aren't saying that sort of stuff, I feel obliged to speak out.


You're only as obliged as I am to bitched whenever a new Michael Bay movie makes a fortune. I get the impulse, doesn't mean we have to indulge in it and ultimately waste our time and energy on an irrelevant tangent.

For that matter, you're pissing away whatever wit and intelligence you may sport (which you do) on something quite meaningless. On the day of the Wikileaks, what was the national headline on cable TV in America? That unworkable law in Arizona., one law (of thousands) in a state (one of 50), and that is the national debate, pure meaningless culture war pornography. Not revelations of the bullshit going on in a bullshit war which we both seem to agree is quite bullshit.

This goes on the Internet too. Look at thos people pissed at Armond White for giving TOY STORY 3 thumbs down. Why because he disagreed with the mass majority? No because he broke that movie's Rotten Tomatoes review streak from being perfect 100%. I mean what the fuck?

Mere distractions.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/10 11:02 PM

Originally Posted By: RRA
Originally Posted By: Capo
Yeah, the critical hype currently surrounding Nolan and his work has given me inclination to give him further attention. But that hype is directly related to his 'supposed qualities as a director', so any discussion in relation to that is obviously going to be directly related to those things. I'm not discussing his dress sense or facial expressions here, because there's no hype surrounding them therefore no need to engage in any criticism of them.

Or in other words, in responding to the 'hype' I'm unavoidably having to respond to the films themselves.

If people were coming out of seeing Nolan's recent films and saying, 'They're pseudo-serious pretentious action films with no genuinely intellectual engagement' (which his last two films have been, unquestionably), then I probably wouldn't feel the need to chip in my opinion other than to give approval of the consensus.
All that may be true, but if you explain why you indulge, I don't think you made the case why you should.
Why bother about anything, ever?

It boils down to personal interest. I take art seriously; from that, I find arguments such as "films are entertainment as much as they are art", or "a work of art is popular therefore some people find it good", either banal or meaningless, which they are, because 'entertaining' is not a binary opposite to 'artistic' ('art' isn't something to be endured!) and because a work of art's popularity tells us nothing about the work of art other than the simple and relative fact that it's popular, which has absolutely no objective weight whatsoever. So when I say I feel 'obliged to speak out', I'm saying I feel as if I ought to speak out, as somebody who takes an active interest in these sorts of things.

Originally Posted By: RRA
One of your country's stupid papers (Guardian?) had a general public poll which named Steven Spielberg the greatest director ever.

Is he? No. Do I get why he won that vote? Sure, he won.....
Blah. Nobody and everybody is 'the greatest director ever'.

Originally Posted By: RRA
But all that, like the Nolan "hype" which aggitates you so very much, is noise, racket that is distractful of what actually matters...
I disagree here. A 'greatest director ever' poll has no concrete antithesis other than 'here are a list of alternatives who are more worthy'; and there's probably a poll like that made every week, so who cares? Those kinds of things are actually conceived so that that kind of meaningless (if not uninteresting) debate can take place. That's what they're there for.

In the case of Christopher Nolan and Inception, for though, I'm addressing very specific issues that are at stake at a very specific time and place.

So your analogy doesn't quite hold up.


Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
You're only as obliged as I am to bitched whenever a new Michael Bay movie makes a fortune. I get the impulse, doesn't mean we have to indulge in it and ultimately waste our time and energy on an irrelevant tangent.
This analogy is curious too.

If Michael Bay's Armageddon was being praised by professional critics as a film to be reckoned with on the same level as a Hitchcock film, then I would feel obliged to give it more attention than it would otherwise deserve.

But in truth, nobody is; there is no critical hype surrounding Michael Bay in the way there is critical hype surrounding Christopher Nolan.

And so bitching about the fact Michael Bay's films are taken too seriously by people would be a 'waste of time and energy on an irrelevant tangent', because it'd actually be a straw man argument, fighting against something nobody has actually said.

But with Christopher Nolan....

Originally Posted By: RRA
For that matter, you're pissing away whatever wit and intelligence you may sport (which you do) on something quite meaningless. On the day of the Wikileaks, what was the national headline on cable TV in America? That unworkable law in Arizona., one law (of thousands) in a state (one of 50), and that is the national debate, pure meaningless culture war pornography. Not revelations of the bullshit going on in a bullshit war which we both seem to agree is quite bullshit.

Mere distractions.
Haha, yeah, everything is everything and therefore nothing is nothing and we're all just playing out a meaningless existence to a universal rhythm in an ultimately indifferent because finite cosmos.

OH NO!

There's always going to be a 'bigger problem' than the one you're addressing.

But then we come back to personal interests and what we actively invest ourselves in whilst here on this mortal earth. And I'm interested in art, in films in particular; and as a social being with some consciousness as to my own 'social being-ness', I'm also by extension interested - as anybody with a serious interest in anything ought to be - in the social, political, historical forces at work in and around such art, which is why in order to fully understand and give proper critical attention to something such as Inception, you've got to also look at the baggage that comes with it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/10 11:34 PM

Wow you're very pissy today. Your whole rant doesn't hold up.

Did I just out Capo you?
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/10 11:37 PM

Ha! That, or you out-Ronnied yourself.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/30/10 11:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Ha! That, or you out-Ronnied yourself.


We're both good proper reactionaries.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/31/10 04:12 AM


Finally watched Inglourious Basterds (2009) tonight, and it surely has Tarantino written all over it. It was good, just haven't decided yet whether it was that good. QT tends to be slow in spots, and somewhat condescending to viewers (and in that respect, he didn't disappoint here). If it was a true story, then it'd be great. But it's not a true story. ohwell

In the end, I don't think it was "all that" whistle wink
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/31/10 05:08 AM

Ha.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/31/10 04:46 PM

what's the difference if it's a true story or not? would you like it better if he put a "based on a true story" banner in the opening like Fargo?

I give you that the ending twist is a bit over the top but I don't see why should we give a shit about it being true or not. a lot of things that happened in past years, if I had seen'em in a movie before I'd laugh and say "it's just movies" like a killer tsunami washing New Orleans out of the map? an airplanes crash in air(Brazil baby) ? an austrian guy who had his wife and daughters locked in a basement and raped for decades? come on don't let that ruin such a fun film!
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/31/10 05:31 PM

I think Geoff was being a smartass.
Posted By: Fame

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/31/10 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Ha.




care to elaborate for someone who's not been around what you mean by that?

btw- Armageddon is not the worst movie out there. Transformers is.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/31/10 08:01 PM

The whole concept of "The Bastards'" unit is completely grounded in fiction and extremely disrespectful to the real men and women of that war.

To imply that a mercenary unit, affiliated with the American army, would go on vigilante raids bashing Nazi skulls with baseball bats is utterly asinine. If anything, the American and British troops were known for being extremely prudent and considerate with regards to how they treated the German people, their country, their artifacts, and their prisoners of war.

Vigilante tactics are sometimes a part of war, yes, and WWII was no exception; but the entire notion of an unmerciful band of American savages, commiting war crimes at every turn by scouring the countryside for Nazi scalps, couldn't portray the American army any more inaccurately. It's not worth desecrating the legacy of American soldiers just so some jerkoff fan-boy loser can exploit it to make a shitty film.

If anything, it was the Russians who plundered, pillaged and outright purged Berlin and the countryside at their will. QT could have made a film similiar to this involving Russian vigilantism, and that would have had some grounds for historical relevance, but that probably wouldn't make a mark on American Cinema, would it.

Quentin Tarentino is a whore. On the other hand, the cinematography in this film is BRILLIANT...and the man does know how to tell a story, even if it's a complete misrepresentation of the facts. But then again, who couldn't make a great story about WWII?? I just wish a modern director could accurately capture the true drama of the whole ordeal, it could make for a huge blockbuster.

The fact that QT spent a decade making this picture makes it a real exercise in futilism despite its fleeting moments of brilliance.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/31/10 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Fame
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Ha.




care to elaborate for someone who's not been around what you mean by that?

btw- Armageddon is not the worst movie out there. Transformers is.


Matrix 2 and 3 are the worst films ever.. smile
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/31/10 10:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Fame

care to elaborate for someone who's not been around what you mean by that?


Read up the last few RRA/Capo bitchings in this thread.

Originally Posted By: Fame

btw- Armageddon is not the worst movie out there. Transformers is.


Nope, its MANOS: HANDS OF FATE.

Hell those MST3K guys who had to piss it agree it was the worst piece of shit they had to sit through, which is quite shocking considering the hundreds of awful movies they had to watch over what decade or so plus or minus worth of seasons?
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/01/10 07:07 PM

Quote:
come on don't let that ruin such a fun film!
But then the key question is, why is Inglorious Basterds 'fun'?

It's a pretty reprehensible film.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/10 12:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
But then the key question is, why is Inglorious Basterds 'fun'?

It's a pretty reprehensible film.


And this is even more reprehensible:

Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/02/10 02:16 AM

Yeah, but that ain't a film meant to be paid for to see.
Posted By: Fame

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/03/10 11:07 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Originally Posted By: Fame

btw- Armageddon is not the worst movie out there. Transformers is.


Nope, its MANOS: HANDS OF FATE.

Hell those MST3K guys who had to piss it agree it was the worst piece of shit they had to sit through, which is quite shocking considering the hundreds of awful movies they had to watch over what decade or so plus or minus worth of seasons?



Was MANOS an insult and a huge stain on such a great industry and franchise like Transformers? I doubt it. Bay's decisions even before filming began proved that he had no respect for the history and legacy of Transformers, and it's a damn shame that someone like that was chosen for it. The movie is despicable, I don't know if I'll watch the sequels.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/19/10 05:09 AM


I forgot Tom Cruise was the star of Valkyrie (2008); and at times, I didn't "see" him in the role, which is a very good thing. Overall, I thought it was well done. I really like it, and would have liked our global human history more had they succeeded.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/19/10 07:08 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I forgot Tom Cruise was the star of Valkyrie (2008); and at times, I didn't "see" him in the role, which is a very good thing. Overall, I thought it was well done. I really like it, and would have liked our global human history more had they succeeded.


Liked it too.

I remember when it came out how the media already was setting it up as a failure because by then Tom Cruise went from King of Hollywood to nutjob couchjumping has-been, and boy they were ready to cut him down.

Except it turned out to be pretty good, certainly reminded me of those Alistair MacLean precise World War 2 thrillers, except it was based on a true story.

Besides those critics got to finally use their sharpened knives on KNIGHT & DAY. Which I must admit, I kinda enjoyed. Yeah sorry guys. I failed ya'll.

Except if those plotters had succeeded in knocking off Hitler, would it have ended WW2 quicker? I mean they were banking on the idea of a WWI-stylized armistice where the government would effectively stay in place, country unoccupied...but would the Allies have accepted that?
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/19/10 07:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Fame


Was MANOS an insult and a huge stain on such a great industry and franchise like Transformers? I doubt it. Bay's decisions even before filming began proved that he had no respect for the history and legacy of Transformers, and it's a damn shame that someone like that was chosen for it. The movie is despicable, I don't know if I'll watch the sequels.


Bay is an asshole, and a hack. But to say his works are the worst ever made is...well, this might be the only time I might defend that fucker.

Besides, I would argue his Flying Asteroid picture and that war movie where Japan bombed an American love triangle were much more shockingly wasteful and bad.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/19/10 10:56 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Except if those plotters had succeeded in knocking off Hitler, would it have ended WW2 quicker? I mean they were banking on the idea of a WWI-stylized armistice where the government would effectively stay in place, country unoccupied...but would the Allies have accepted that?


That sounds like a great "what if" post. The question is "which allies"? The Soviet Union wanted payback and an end to the Nazi regime in toto. They wouldn't have accepted any sort of separate German peace deal with Great Britain and the US. By the time of the plot the Russians were already in the process of clearing the Germans from Belorussia, the Ukraine and Poland.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/21/10 10:48 AM

Five Deadly Venoms (1978)
I saw this as a kid and was entranced. I watched it again the other night and was surprised to see that it had aged pretty well.

The story is simple. The dying head of the Poison Clan has is worried that his former students are up to no good. He instructs his last student Yang, to go out into the world and discover the whereabouts of his five greatest students, all masters of kung fu, and determine if they are using their powers for good or evil. Yang knows a little of each of the other students' styles but can't hope to defeat any one of them on his own.
The Five Deadly Venoms are:

Toad-simple brutal power and completely impervious to most harm.
Snake-very quick style of striking with fingers and can fight on his back
Scorpion-powerful kicking attacks and uses poison
Lizard-Also very quick and can climb/fight from walls
Centipede-Also called One Thousand hands and uses a lightning fast combination of kicks and punches, flips and rolls.

Even the other students don't know who each person is and this winds up in a end of movie five man fight to the finish. Great stuff.
Typical dialogue:

Judge: On the night that the Yuens died, did you see this man?
Wan Fan: Yes.
Judge. All right. Well, he denies the crime. Use torture.

lol
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/22/10 02:12 AM

Watching "The Blues Brothers" again for the Nth time! This movie was just amazing. How the heck did they get Cab Calloway, John Lee Hooker, Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin and James Brown? Not to mention the hilarious John Candy (Orange Whip?) and Henry Gibson as a Nazi! Just one great line after another.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/22/10 02:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo


That sounds like a great "what if" post. The question is "which allies"? The Soviet Union wanted payback and an end to the Nazi regime in toto. They wouldn't have accepted any sort of separate German peace deal with Great Britain and the US. By the time of the plot the Russians were already in the process of clearing the Germans from Belorussia, the Ukraine and Poland.


Alot of those plotters shared this idea, even espoused by desperate (delusional) top Nazis in the last days of the war, that somehow they could deal an armistice with the Western powers and then team up to fight the Bolsheviks.

Putting aside the sillyness of such a notion, the West in 1945 quite frankly didn't have the heart, hunger, and strength to fight the Russians which perhaps is a good reason why the Soviets won Eastern Europe at Yalta.

Or maybe a negotiated peace isn't so impossible with Hitler-less Germany. We must remember Japan accepted surrender when the West allowed them to retain their Emperor as Head of State because we thought it was an acceptable price to end that damn war.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/22/10 01:46 PM

Dead Man Running
This British gangster film starred Tamer Hassan, Danny Dyer, 50 Cent and Monet Mazur. It is very much in homage to Guy Ritchie's earlier work-somewhat too much so.

Anyway the plot is that top gangster/loan shark 50 Cent (it's not really explained how an American is big time in the UK underworld unless the writers really thought 50 was doing an English accent) decides that because of the failing economy now would be a good time to start calling in all of his outstanding loans, starting with the 100K owed to him by ex-con Hassan. 50 Cent gives Hassan 24 hrs to come up with the money. Otherwise he's going to have one of his Luca Brasi type psychos kill Hassan's mother before 50 kills Hassan.

So Hassan and his partner Dyer go on a crime spree to raise the money. Of course 50 really would just rather kill Hassan and has put out the word on the street that no one is to loan Hassan any money or do any business with him.

The audio for this film wasn't mixed properly IMO and it's difficult at times to hear the dialogue over the background sounds. Of course the thick "accents" make this even more difficult though presumably this would not be an issue for UK viewers. It does get better near the end-the sound not the story.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/22/10 06:03 PM

Yesterday I watched part of James Cagney's Torrid Zone from 1940. He's always good, but I felt he was miscast. He played a tough guy plantation owner in South America, but his tough guy persona didn't transfer well. Also, I was distracted by the Panama hat he wore which made him seem almost squat.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/23/10 05:27 AM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Yesterday I watched part of James Cagney's Torrid Zone from 1940. He's always good, but I felt he was miscast. He played a tough guy plantation owner in South America, but his tough guy persona didn't transfer well. Also, I was distracted by the Panama hat he wore which made him seem almost squat.


Just imagine if WB had gotten their way and he had played Robin Hood instead of Errol Flynn.
Posted By: Fame

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/23/10 12:27 PM


Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO


Besides, I would argue his Flying Asteroid picture and that war movie where Japan bombed an American love triangle were much more shockingly wasteful and bad.


Armageddon is Casablanca when compared to Transformers. But nevermind.

The whole "best movie ever" and "worst movie ever" discussions are really silly anyway. Because no man has ever seen even one tenth of all the movies out there. We're only exposed to a very limited collection of films, and even those who seek movies elsewhere and dedicate their lives to it, even they have a very limited knowledge. It should be "best movie I've ever seen" and "worst movie I've ever seen" instead.
Posted By: Fame

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/23/10 12:47 PM

Trapeze (1956) ****/*****

Burt Lancaster and Tony Curtis. Winning team. A year later they joined forces again to make the best movie I've ever seen, "The Sweet Smell of Success", but "Trapeze" is a good movie as well. It's a circus tale/love triangle with Lancaster the suffering mentor and Curtis as the young fresh hope, and things get complicated when a circus girl decides to join their act. The movie's dialogue is pretty clever and biting, fitting for a film noir at the time, only this movie is pretty colorful. It works perfectly, and the one thing that would be reason enough to watch it is those 2 actors together. Their chemistry is perfect.
Posted By: Fame

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/23/10 01:33 PM

Mystic River (2003) ***/*****

This movie is good, but far from being an oscar worthy. There's not a boring moment in there, and there are some fine moments too, but I couldn't find any greatness as well. Some things really bothered me about this movie, mainly the role of the women:

*****SPOILERS*****

1) Wife no.1 - Sean Devine's (Kevin Bacon) mysterious wife on the phone. Why was that necessary at all? it seems like an awful attempt at trying to add another layer to Bacon's personality, because without it there's not much to work with. He's a good detective and that's it. Are we supposed to feel confused about that woman and think that maybe she has anything to do with the murder? no we're not, and her moments in this movie are pretty much redundant.

2) Wife no.2 - Jimmy's (Sean Penn) wife. We see very little of her throughtout the movie and then she suddenly gets the most important scene at the end, when dealing with what her husband did. She did allright, the only problem is I wasn't even sure who she was before that scene. I think replacing those wife-on-the-phone moments with more of Jimmy's wife moments- would've made me appreciate that final scene a lot more, because I would've known a little more about that wife who obviously means a lot to her husband. It just came from nowhere.

3) Wife no.3- Dave's (Tim Robbins) wife. Even for a movie, that woman is unbelievable. Her telling none other than Katie's dad about her husband's guilt seems unrealistic and forced into this movie. Yes she needed to share it with someone, but no woman on earth in a similar position, would choose to share it with the father, no matter how close they are.

Overall, this movie is allright, but I don't agree with all the praise calling it a masterpiece.

"A Perfect World" and "Unforgiven" are still the best I've seen from Eastwood (as director).
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/28/10 10:33 AM

Centurion
directed by Neil Marshall and starring Michael Fassbender (Quintus Dias), Olga Kurylenko (Etain), Dominic West (General Virulus).

This is a well made but somewhat empty historical drama about the fate of the Roman Ninth Legion which disappeared in 2nd century Scotland, which was Pict country. Obvious parallels can be drawn with Afghanistan. The Picts rarely stand and fight but rely on hit and run guerrilla tactics, assassinations, and nighttime raids.

Centurion Quintus Dias was captured by the Picts but escapes and hooks up with the Ninth Legion, led by General Virulus, who has received orders to take the offensive and deal with the Picts for once and for all. The general is guided across the terrain by a beautiful, deadly and mute Pict woman, Etain.

Of course things don't go quite as the Romans plan and Dias and a few desperate and disparate survivors of the Legion (native Romans, Franks, Numidians, Syrians, etc) have to make their way south while pursued by a deadly incarnation of Pictish (and female) vengeance. It was reminiscent of the movie The Warriors, which was of course itself based on classical sources.

This was shot on location in Scotland I believe and it was a really beautiful backdrop for the movie. The hills, moors, valleys and rivers were magnificent. If nothing else this was a great advertisement to visit.

Kurylenko was evidently a Bond girl in Quantum of Solace but I don't remember her. She made much more of an impression here.
Also Fassbender was in 300 and Inglorious Basterds (there was a deliberate (??) reference to IB where people hide under flooring from someone who would very much like to see them bleed).

The battle scenes are not like 300. They are shot more quickly and would look more natural were it not for the digitized blood.
If you like chase movies or historical films, you'll enjoy this. If swords and battle films bore you, this isn't for you.
Available on demand.

Edit: Like most good chase movies the film has a Tired of Running scene that works quite effectively.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/02/10 03:13 AM


I didn't like Sherlock Holmes (2009) as much as I was hoping to... and while I think Robert Downey Jr is usually just fine, I think it was partly his fault. That, and the horrible comic-book-wannabe-but-didn't-come-close CGI. And the story was ridiculous on top of it.

And since when does Sherlock Holmes and Watson have super-human fighting abilities???

Lame, IMHO.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/02/10 03:51 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff


And since when does Sherlock Holmes and Watson have super-human fighting abilities???

Lame, IMHO.


Actually in several Holmes stories, it mentions the guy's knowledge in boxing and fighting arts because he's that thorough.

Which isn't the same as being a fight machine. Which I agree was silly.

That said, thought Law and Downey had good chemistry. Just basically an overproduced, yet another Joel Silver buddy picture.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/02/10 09:45 AM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: J Geoff


And since when does Sherlock Holmes and Watson have super-human fighting abilities???

Lame, IMHO.


Actually in several Holmes stories, it mentions the guy's knowledge in boxing and fighting arts because he's that thorough.

Which isn't the same as being a fight machine. Which I agree was silly.

That said, thought Law and Downey had good chemistry. Just basically an overproduced, yet another Joel Silver buddy picture.


Ehhh...
as mentioned there are several stories in which Holmes is depicted as having incredible skills in bare knuckle boxing, stick fighting, and martial arts. In "The Adventure of the Speckled Band" the bad guy bends an iron poker in an attempt to intimidate Holmes. Holmes is unfazed and straightens the poker out. In another story ("The Sign of the Four") a professional boxer says Holmes could have had a great career in the ring after Holmes reveals that he went the full three rounds with the boxer at a charity exhibition.

As far as Watson, he was kicking a$$ and taking names in Afghanistan and was considered to be a pretty good man with his fists, clubs, chair or whatever else lay around.

I liked the movie but thought the plot was pretty obvious.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/02/10 05:52 PM


I guess I don't know enough about Sherlock Holmes whistle

...but at least that explains it.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/10 12:31 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I guess I don't know enough about Sherlock Holmes whistle

...but at least that explains it.


Most people never read Doyle's stories, or else they would know that he never wore a deerskin cap unlike ole Basil did in the movies.

For that matter, how many people ever bothered reading DRACULA?
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/10 01:00 AM

I just got done watching Coal Miner's Daughter. I love that movie. It's nice seeing movies filmed in Kentucky. The Col. has a great Uncle that is in two scenes in the movie.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/10 10:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
I just got done watching Coal Miner's Daughter. I love that movie. It's nice seeing movies filmed in Kentucky. The Col. has a great Uncle that is in two scenes in the movie.


Did you ever see Harlan County USA or Matewan?
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/10 10:30 AM

No I haven't.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/10 10:50 AM

I think both films are quite worthwhile. They were shot in Kentucky and West Virginia.

Harlan Country USA

Matewan
Posted By: Tru_Bizelli

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/04/10 04:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
I just got done watching Coal Miner's Daughter. I love that movie. It's nice seeing movies filmed in Kentucky. The Col. has a great Uncle that is in two scenes in the movie.


Mignon, I'm watching a movie with you in it right now. Godfather II
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/06/10 02:22 PM

Harry Brown

Basically this is a British "Death Wish". Michael Caine plays the title character. I recognized some of the other actors/actresses but this is really Caine's movie through and through. It could have just as easily been a good movie about the inevitable end of life and all the losses we must endure. But then of course a movie about an old man beset with grief over the death of his wife and friends might not have piqued enough interest.

Anyway, Brown is a Royal Marines pensioner who lives with his wife in what looks like the UK version of US projects. They call them "estates" or "council estates". As the movie opens his wife is dying. Brown's chess/drinking partner Les and his only friend left alive, is frightened of the young punks who infest the estate. The police won't help Les. Les comes to Brown for help figuring that a Royal Marine who served in Northern Ireland might have some ideas but Brown is numb with grief and just wants to be left alone.

Of course Les meets with a nasty end and the police may not be able to catch and convict those who did it. At that point, Brown decides enough is enough and we see that a Retired Badass is still a badass.

Caine looks and acts every minute of his 77 years and the movie is much the better for that. At various times he's dealing with back problems or breathing issues. Also the people he is up against are some of the worst and most wicked teens ever depicted on screen. Somewhat manipulative filmmaking perhaps but very entertaining.

"You failed to maintain your weapon, son!"
lol


Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/07/10 03:17 PM

Cash

This movie was filmed entirely in Chicago. It's a low key thriller starring Sean Bean in a double role(The Kubic Brothers), Chris Hemsworth (Sam) and Victoria Profeta (Leslie).

One of the Kubic brothers has just been arrested and charged with a bank robbery. However before he's arrested by the cops he throws the suitcase containing the cash over the bridge and manipulates the police into shooting his accomplice. No evidence, no conviction is his plan.

In the meantime he is visited by his hypercalm twin brother who may have bankrolled the heist and wants to find the money. All the imprisoned brother has to go on is the make/model of the car he threw the money on. Armed only with that information ,somewhat implausibly Pyke Kubic starts to track down the people who "stole" the money.

Sam Phelan and his wife Leslie were living paycheck to paycheck so when an unexpected $600,000 comes into their life they go on a spending spree, pay off their house and get new cars.

All this happens in the first 20 minutes. The rest of the story concerns the psychological interactions between the Phelans and the incredibly single minded and intimidating Kubic when he discovers where they live. In some respects it's a low budget "No Country for Old Men" but Kubic's brand of fear is not as over the top as Chigurh's. The film also has some interesting points to make about women's attraction to strength and what people are willing to do to save themselves.
Ok movie but nothing special. The look of the film is not the best.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/19/10 03:30 PM

Well, I saw this movie about 20 years late, but yesterday HBO ran "Ricochet" with Denzel Washington. tongue

Denzel plays a cop who is framed for murder by a criminal he sent to jail years ago.

I really enjoyed it. I've always liked Washington and John Lithgow is great as a despicable psychopath killer. Ice-T (L&O) even has a co-starring role.

TIS
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/25/10 01:59 AM

This afternoon I went to see "Wall Street Money Never Sleeps". Believe it or not, I never saw the first Wall Street until just a couple months ago. I enjoyed it and have been waiting for this one to debut.

I have seen mixed reviews on it but I liked the movie. For a sequel it was actually quite good. smile

It starts with Gordon Gekko walking out of prison in 2001, surrounded by several others leaving the slammer. The others all have someone waiting for them but poor Gekko is alone.

Then, for whatever reason though, it suddenly moves to 2007. confused Jake Moore (Shia LaBeouf) introduces himself to Gordon after seeing one of his lectures (I loved that scene. Not as good as the "Greed is good" scene but good) and being so impressed with it, he had to meet him. Jake informed Gordon that he was daughter's fiance', who was estranged from Gekko. Long story short, Gordon more or less becomes becomes his mentor. Of course you have the shady dealings and scams, etc. as well, with Josh Brolin, more or less, another Gekko type character.

There was a short cameo by Charlie Sheen in his "Bud" role, and Oliver Stone had a couple cameos as well. On top of all that there were wonderful outdoor shots of NYC throughout the film, adding to the atmosphere. smile

If you are like me and don't understand all the ins and outs of Wall Street (that's why I have a TSA guy), you can still follow this movie. It's pretty easy to get the general drift without being an expert.

I could not help throughout the movie feel sorry for Douglas, who in the film, mentions cancer a couple times in general conversations. For some reason, I feel extra badly for him. confused

I'd say about *** (over 2 but under 4 anyway).

TIS
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/10/10 12:43 PM

Just watched the new ROBIN HOOD with Russell Crowe. A nice new twist to it and some worthy battle scenes on show. A touch slow though and some tremendous "old English" accents on display!
Posted By: Tru_Bizelli

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/18/10 05:02 AM

@Stalllionette - I wanna watch those Wall Street movies now that I'm just beginning to study market trading. Pretty interesting you mention that actually. I just started a practice brokerage account the other day online ;-)
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/27/10 11:15 AM

I just saw Faster with The Rock, or as he now prefers to be known, Dwayne Johnson. Faster also stars Billy Bob Thornton, Carla Gugino, Maggie Grace, Oliver Jackson-Cohen, Mike Epps, Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and one very nice 1970 Chevelle SS. It is directed by George Tillman, Jr.

It is a revenge flick starring Johnson as the protagonist out on a rampage to deliver some serious hurting to people who wronged him. It's a welcome switch from the kiddy genre Johnson was temporarily exiled to.

However the movie makes some very critical mistakes of motivation, pacing and story. Simply put, a revenge motivation is meaningless unless you understand who the hero lost, why the loss is so devastating and you root for the hero to get his own back no matter what. This film has trouble doing that. Also Johnson's character lacks humanity-he has no girl-isn't the hero always supposed to get the girl?? And the film spends WAY too much time on supporting characters at the expense of Johnson's storyline. It feels like the film was hedging its bets. It switches up at the end and almost feels like two different screenwriters were fighting it out.

I don't want to accuse Thornton of just phoning it in but he does look kinda bored here.

The film does have a Revolvers are just Better theme and One Cool Car Those were fun but that was about the extent of it.

Anyway, I wanted to like this film but it was just mediocre. Wait for DVD.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/29/10 12:38 AM

Has anyone seen The Invention of Lying with Ricky Gervais? It's pretty good because it's a refreshing, quirky film. Really enjoyable.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/29/10 02:12 AM

My brother loaned us his DVD of Sinbad's concert "Where U Been?". I've always liked Sinbad, but I have to tell you that I laughed so hard that I cried. He was freaking hilarious. His best lines were about the foolishness of 55 year old men with 20 year old girlfriends. At 55, you need an older woman who will know when you're having a stroke and get you to the hospital. The 20 year old will think you're just making faces at her. And then she'll be happy, since she only wanted to be with you because she wanted your house. lol

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/30/10 04:18 PM

That was funny, SB.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/30/10 07:46 PM

I have seen this entire show. It is nothing less than hilarious! Sinbad is one of my favorite entertainers and after you see this, you'll know why. Highly recommended for non stop laughs.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/04/10 03:55 PM

Just watched "the good the bad and the ugly" for the 3rd time and this film gets better with every viewing,, amazing film and i love the soundtrack..

9/10
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/07/10 08:57 PM

The Expendables-this was mostly a cartoon. You will recognize many of the 80's and early 90's action heros in this one. Jason Statham and Jet Li get co-equal billing with Stallone , above the title. There are some height jokes at Jet Li's expense, which don't really work. Also although Li's English is better, comedy or deadpan humor is not quite his forte. There is nothing as offensive as those stupid jokes that Chris Tucker was making at Jackie Chan's expense in Rush Hour.

I don't know why Kurt Russell wasn't in this. He would have been a perfect fit and he can do humor more convincingly than most of the people here. There is a Hispanic love interest for Stallone but no love scene. Stallone looks in great shape for 60 something but all the steroids and HGH have have done a serious number on his face.

The real star of the movie was the 1955 Ford F100 done in Art Deco style solid Black and riding low and slow. I don't know what happened in the sixties and seventies but for pure beauty you simply can't beat American cars/trucks from the 30's to the 50's.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/07/10 09:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Stallone looks in great shape for 60 something but all the steroids and HGH have have done a serious number on his face.


I knew his face didn't look right.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/07/10 10:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Mignon
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Stallone looks in great shape for 60 something but all the steroids and HGH have have done a serious number on his face.


I knew his face didn't look right.


Steroids can do a job ob your appearance. But keep in mind that he had nerve damage to his face when he was born. It's always made his face look out of kilter.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/13/10 07:56 PM

Garden of Eden
This was based on a Hemingway novel which I haven't read.
It takes place in post WWI Europe and tells the story of a weak willed writer and WWI vet who meets and falls in love with a slightly androgynous and very bossy heiress. They get married. While honeymooning across Spain and France, his wife decides that they should take a third person into their marriage. The results are of course, mostly negative.

The wife is also jealous of her husband's writing while the husband has unresolved issues with his father, mostly shown in flashback in African safaris.

The writer is played by Jack Huston (Richard from "Boardwalk Empire"). Mena Suvari ("American Pie", "American Beauty") is the wife and Caterina Murino is the second wife.

I don't know if this was a problem with the source material but the story sort of lacked intensity. The wife never seems to have real motivation for her actions.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/15/10 05:02 PM

We saw "City Island" the other night. The movie stars Andy Garcia and Julianna Margulies as a husband and wife. They have a son and daughter, and all are hiding secrets from one another. The two leads are lovely to watch together. The same woman who plays an always-in-control attorney on "The Good Wife" reveals another dimension as a wholly believable Bronx MILF.

As a former Bronx girl, the scenery alone was worth seeing. However, the movie has a wonderfully comic appeal. Garcia is a prison guard who wants to be an actor. His bad Brando impersonation is hilarious, especially for us Godfather fans. As the various secrets of the family members are revealed, the film becomes wonderfully heart-warming and funny. While the coincidences border on the ridiculous, it never quite crosses the line from quirky to just plain silly.

The film is highly recommended.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/15/10 05:07 PM

Ok, based on that review SB I might give it a shot. It was listed in the On Demand menu.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/16/10 08:08 AM


Added to Netflix, thanks wink
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/16/10 05:40 PM

I feel so influential! lol
Posted By: Ice

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/16/10 08:44 PM

Saw THE TOURIST with a gal pal. Rating; 6 out of 10. Beautifully shot. And very slow. Very European.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/16/10 09:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
We saw "City Island" the other night.

Did you catch the Black Whale in the opening sequence, Babe?

I forgot to mention this movie to you last year, but I knew you'd love it. We saw it in theatre at the Whitestone Multiplex, just off the Hutch. How's that for getting in the spirit of things? lol I've since bought the dvd.

Well, I'm glad you got to see it anyway!

I did think that Garcia's Bronx accent was a bit over the top, but it was all in good fun. I'd never really heard the musselsucker/clamdigger thing outside of a City Island bar before, so they really did their homework smile.

Fun fact: That's his real life daughter (Dominik Garcia-Lorido) playing his on-screen daughter. And I give Andy even more credit for that, what with her playing a stripper and all. I sure as Hell couldn't handle it if it were me! lol

If it weren't 20 degrees I'd shoot up there right now for dinner. Oh well, maybe tomorrow.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/17/10 02:32 AM

Of course I saw The Black Whale. I also noticed The Crab Shanty later on in the film. God, I haven't been there in years. My husband hates the chairs.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/10 11:12 AM

The Town

Despite using virtually every known cliche of heist flicks/Irish gangster movies/action movies and running maybe 20 minutes longer than needed, "The Town" was a relatively entertaining film.

It was testament to Affleck's directing skills that this was so since not everyone is able to make a good movie out of a story that includes such obvious plot lines as "hot tempered second-in-command", "slutty girlfriend", "racist Irish", "One Last Job", "An offer you can't refuse", "Just like his father", "Four man band", "The good girl", "It's quiet out there-Yeah too quiet", "You were like a brother to me", "I'm not going back to prison" and so on.

The movie looks great (especially on HD) and really brings out the beauty of some portions of Boston. Still if you've seen "Heat" you've already seen "The Town". The only question would be did you like "Heat".
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/10 11:36 AM

Frozen

I didn't recognize any of the actors in this nifty little horror film and it was just as well because I wasn't tied down by any expectations. The premise is pretty simple. Three college age students (boyfriend/girlfriend and a second guy (best friend of the first guy) decide to go skiing together, despite the second fellow's resentment at the fact that the girlfriend is monopolizing more and more of his friend's time.

Through a combination of stupidity and honest mistakes the trio get stranded in a ski lift between 50-100 feet off the ground when the ski resort closes down. As this was the last day before a holiday no one will be back for at least four days. And they can't call for help as their cell phones are back in their lockers.

So the temperature is dropping dangerously, storms are coming in, and they must decide whether they want to try to wait it out and risk frostbite/gangrene, jump down or try to climb down hand over hand icy cables in the dark. And there just happens to be a pack of wolves in the area that are attracted to their cries for help.

Even though this movie had a low budget and limited area of action I liked it quite a bit. It certainly didn't LOOK low budget. It felt like something that really could happen. The acting was pretty good.

Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/27/10 11:51 AM

The eXperiment

Behavior modification movies and books have always fascinated me. People will do a lot of things if they think that authority gives them the ok. This movie examines how that would work.

A group of financially needy men are recruited for an experiment. About 1/4 of them are to play prison guards while the other 3/4 will be inmates. They will be locked away from the outside world for 2 weeks. At the end of that time they will each get $14,000. No violence is supposed to be allowed but rule breaking is not to be tolerated either. Supposedly they are being watched at all times and any violence will cause a red light to come on and end the experiment.

The leader of the guards is played by Forest Whittaker, a bible reading man who is gentle and firm (on the outside) while the leader of the inmates is played by Adrien Brody-an antiwar pacifist (on the outside).

Needless to say the situation inside causes both men to behave in ways of which they'd be ashamed otherwise. Whittaker's role is particularly meaty and his lazy eye comes in pretty handy in helping his character to look extremely disturbed as his sadistic and bossy personality elements come to the forefront.

Not a great movie as it is a little too predictable and things go downhill a bit too fast but worthwhile.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/30/10 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
We saw "City Island" the other night.

Did you catch the Black Whale in the opening sequence, Babe?

I forgot to mention this movie to you last year, but I knew you'd love it. We saw it in theatre at the Whitestone Multiplex, just off the Hutch. How's that for getting in the spirit of things? lol I've since bought the dvd.

Well, I'm glad you got to see it anyway!

I did think that Garcia's Bronx accent was a bit over the top, but it was all in good fun. I'd never really heard the musselsucker/clamdigger thing outside of a City Island bar before, so they really did their homework smile.

Fun fact: That's his real life daughter (Dominik Garcia-Lorido) playing his on-screen daughter. And I give Andy even more credit for that, what with her playing a stripper and all. I sure as Hell couldn't handle it if it were me! lol

If it weren't 20 degrees I'd shoot up there right now for dinner. Oh well, maybe tomorrow.


I just saw the movie. It wasn't bad at all. I enjoyed it. Seems like it should have gotten a bit wider release/notice.

Also it had Ricky Aiello in a brief cameo. He looks like -acts like- what I expected Al Neri to look like in my mind's eye. If they ever did do a remake.. smile

"Musselsucker" sounds like something that you would say to start a fight. rolleyes

"You musselsuckers don't run things around here any more.."
lol
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/31/10 01:08 AM

Glad you enjoyed it, Lilo. If you ever make a trip to NY, I'll meet you for dinner at The Black Whale.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/02/11 12:13 AM

I can never resist watching "Die Hard" every time it's on. Even if I watch part of it, I still find it very entertaining. smile



TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/02/11 04:22 AM

TIS, me, too! You really need to see "Red" if you're a Willis fan. The movie has some great action scenes and a fun script.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/02/11 01:59 PM

I have not been able to watch any films over the holidays due to the kids watching all the Christmas films like ELF,HOME ALONE,MARY POPPINS and other such gems rolleyes smile
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/02/11 09:21 PM

Just beat them away from the television with a broomstick, Yogi. Quite effective.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/11 04:48 AM

I went and seen True Grit tonight. I didn't think I would like it but it is pretty good. Jeff Bridges did a good job being Rooster Cogburn.
Posted By: VitoC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/11 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I can never resist watching "Die Hard" every time it's on. Even if I watch part of it, I still find it very entertaining. smile



TIS


The "he won't be joining us for the rest of his life" and "I am an exceptional thief, Mrs. McClane. And since I'm moving up to kidnapping, you should be more polite" quotes are absolutely priceless.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/11 03:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
I have not been able to watch any films over the holidays due to the kids watching all the Christmas films like ELF,HOME ALONE,MARY POPPINS and other such gems rolleyes smile

"Elf" is probably the only Will Farrell movie I can watch. He has made some awful movies that I cannot understand why are considered "hits".
Posted By: Lovecraft

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/11 09:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
The Town

Despite using virtually every known cliche of heist flicks/Irish gangster movies/action movies and running maybe 20 minutes longer than needed, "The Town" was a relatively entertaining film.

It was testament to Affleck's directing skills that this was so since not everyone is able to make a good movie out of a story that includes such obvious plot lines as "hot tempered second-in-command", "slutty girlfriend", "racist Irish", "One Last Job", "An offer you can't refuse", "Just like his father", "Four man band", "The good girl", "It's quiet out there-Yeah too quiet", "You were like a brother to me", "I'm not going back to prison" and so on.

The movie looks great (especially on HD) and really brings out the beauty of some portions of Boston. Still if you've seen "Heat" you've already seen "The Town". The only question would be did you like "Heat".


Loved this film, and your review was pretty good. However Heat and The Town are completely different movies, besides being heist films, and in no way does seeing one mean you've seen the other.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/03/11 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark
Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
I have not been able to watch any films over the holidays due to the kids watching all the Christmas films like ELF,HOME ALONE,MARY POPPINS and other such gems rolleyes smile

"Elf" is probably the only Will Farrell movie I can watch. He has made some awful movies that I cannot understand why are considered "hits".


I pretty much agree. I liked him also in Ron Burgandy, but most of his stuff is just outrageous and loud, not really funny.
Posted By: Lovecraft

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/04/11 12:10 AM

Mark and Olivant,

Consider watching Stranger than Fiction or the Other Guys, both starring Will Farrell. He's much more subdued in both these films. The Other Guys is a pretty funny film while Stranger than Fiction is both a funny and very touching movie!
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/04/11 03:00 AM

I wanted to see "The Other Guys". I heard that the Wahlberg/Jeter scene is hilarious. Given that Wahlberg is such a huge Red Sox fan, he said that he relished being the man that shot Jeter. lol
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/05/11 04:15 AM

I watched "Elf" for the first time this season and liked it. I've not seen any other movie of his. I never was a fan.

And TIS, whenever I stumble upon Die Hard, I have to watch too.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/16/11 01:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Lovecraft
Originally Posted By: Lilo
The Town

Despite using virtually every known cliche of heist flicks/Irish gangster movies/action movies and running maybe 20 minutes longer than needed, "The Town" was a relatively entertaining film.

It was testament to Affleck's directing skills that this was so since not everyone is able to make a good movie out of a story that includes such obvious plot lines as "hot tempered second-in-command", "slutty girlfriend", "racist Irish", "One Last Job", "An offer you can't refuse", "Just like his father", "Four man band", "The good girl", "It's quiet out there-Yeah too quiet", "You were like a brother to me", "I'm not going back to prison" and so on.

The movie looks great (especially on HD) and really brings out the beauty of some portions of Boston. Still if you've seen "Heat" you've already seen "The Town". The only question would be did you like "Heat".


Loved this film, and your review was pretty good. However Heat and The Town are completely different movies, besides being heist films, and in no way does seeing one mean you've seen the other.


Ehh...
professional heist team led by a "good" thief of high intelligence who eschews violence where possible.
broad daylight shootouts.
betrayal by key trusted figures.
warning signals sent by compromised love interests.
lead character seeking vengeance.
One last job.
ominous non-violent confrontation between leaders of "bad guys" and "good guys".

I thought there were enough similarities to warrant a mention. smile It's not a shot at either Affleck or the audience. I enjoyed both Heat and The Town.

They are different, IMO Affleck makes "The Town" look a lot better than "Heat" while the second guy has much better motivation and is drawn more strongly but even Affleck recognizes that some comparisons were unavoidable.

The film with which The Town begs obvious comparison is Michael Mann's Heat, and it is a comparison Affleck initially hoped to avoid. "That movie's really the gold standard of heist films, and I knew that doing this movie it was going to come up. At first I thought I could duck a bit, get away from it somehow.

"Then I started interviewing a lot of guys who were in prison, and invariably I'd say during the course of the interview, well what kind of things inspired you and they'd all say, 'have you seen the movie Heat?' And then I thought, 'well maybe this is just limited to the crooks', but then I went in to see the FBI and the f***** poster for Heat was on the wall, and at that point I thought, 'well, I'm just going to have to live with this!'"


Affleck
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/16/11 02:07 PM

The Killer Inside Me

This is based on a Jim Thompson novel (aside- which I couldn't find at my local Borders mad and then they wonder why more people are just ordering books online) and is set in early fifties Texas. It was directed by Michael Winterbottom.

Via voiceover the movie tries to ape the first person perspective of the book's protagonist. As the protagonist happens to be a pretty sick sociopath deputy sheriff (played by very young looking Casey Affleck) with a taste for spanking and beating women his POV can be hard to stomach at times. There really is no one to root for in this film which presumably was the point.

Jessica Alba plays a local prostitute that the local bigshot (Ned Beatty) would like to have run out of town for personal and business reasons. This job comes down to Affleck who doesn't do as he's told and force her to leave but decides to use her in a revenge plot against Beatty and company (after engaging in a sadistic sexual relationship with her).

Of course blood calls for blood and the Affleck character is "forced" to do more acts of murder and evil in order to stay one step ahead of his increasingly suspicious bosses and a one man Greek chorus of recrimination-Elias Koteas.

This movie got a lot of flack for "misogyny". I think that sort of misses the point in this context. Affleck's character is evil through and through and doesn't really discriminate in who he harms. However I think most people (feminist or not, liberal or conservative) are still somewhat taken aback against depicted violence committed against women even as we are neutral or dismissive against fictional harm done against men. That's life.

That said if you do not like filmic violence or really don't like seeing women be the target of extended realistic looking violence this may not be the film for you. Initially I thought Affleck was miscast as a Texas deputy sheriff but his slight frame and baby face juxtaposed to what he was doing gives the movie a dissonance that the director may have wanted.

In addition to Affleck, Alba, Koteas and Beatty this film also stars Kate Hudson, Simon Baker, Bill Pullman and Tom Bower. With the possible exception of Beatty and Hudson I don't think anyone really tried to pull off a Texas accent.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/16/11 02:15 PM

Dinner for Schmucks

Would be winner (Paul Rudd) is offered chance to rise in corporation by humiliating hapless loser (Steve Carrell). Three's Company inspired hijinks ensue mostly involving misunderstandings, switched phones and only hearing the endings of conversations.

Pretty silly movie all around and probably only good if you have a free rental. Of course there is a happy ending and this is no different from any of the other films which purport to teach us about how money and success don't really matter in life.

Lucy Punch looks pretty good in black leather pants. That was about all I could remember from this film.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/16/11 07:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
The Killer Inside Me

This is based on a Jim Thompson novel (aside- which I couldn't find at my local Borders mad and then they wonder why more people are just ordering books online) and is set in early fifties Texas. It was directed by Michael Winterbottom.
I thought it was a pretty repugnant artistically.

I wrote a review on my film blog.

Here are few paragraphs from that post:

The Killer Inside Me has been described as a “character study”, as can often be fashionable with films and stories of this type. Beware: it's fast becoming – if it wasn't already – an industry shorthand for broody, introspective non-commitment.

Writing for Film4, Catherine Bray notes, “Lou is a polite, rather dull man, leading a highly conventional life, and if it weren't for that fact that he commits some atrocious crimes, there would be very little point in making a film about him. If we accept this, then his violence is what legitimises him as a subject.”

This, apparently, is what might have drawn Winterbottom to the character. But Bray is right to go on: “Violence being the thrust of the film, what does The Killer Inside Me have to say about violence? Not as much as you might hope, is the answer.” The film is vacant of any moral or personal complexity. Its despairing tone is a result more of its sheer, stubborn hopelessness than its atmospheric rendering of a period Texas. A Kiss Me Deadly-style conclusion lends the work absurdity, but not a jot of seriousness.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/17/11 12:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Originally Posted By: Lilo
The Killer Inside Me

This is based on a Jim Thompson novel (aside- which I couldn't find at my local Borders mad and then they wonder why more people are just ordering books online) and is set in early fifties Texas. It was directed by Michael Winterbottom.
I thought it was a pretty repugnant artistically.

I wrote a review on my film blog.

Here are few paragraphs from that post:

The Killer Inside Me has been described as a “character study”, as can often be fashionable with films and stories of this type. Beware: it's fast becoming – if it wasn't already – an industry shorthand for broody, introspective non-commitment.

Writing for Film4, Catherine Bray notes, “Lou is a polite, rather dull man, leading a highly conventional life, and if it weren't for that fact that he commits some atrocious crimes, there would be very little point in making a film about him. If we accept this, then his violence is what legitimises him as a subject.”

This, apparently, is what might have drawn Winterbottom to the character. But Bray is right to go on: “Violence being the thrust of the film, what does The Killer Inside Me have to say about violence? Not as much as you might hope, is the answer.” The film is vacant of any moral or personal complexity. Its despairing tone is a result more of its sheer, stubborn hopelessness than its atmospheric rendering of a period Texas. A Kiss Me Deadly-style conclusion lends the work absurdity, but not a jot of seriousness.



That's why I wanted to read the book to see if the Kiss Me Deadly motif was really in the original story. What's your take on films like "Irreversible", "The Devil's Rejects", etc that seemingly lack a moral center?

Would you agree that part of the whole point of film noir is to have a certain level of hopelessness and ambiguous moral view?

Does a lack of moral complexity always harm a film in your view?
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/17/11 07:03 PM

Just saw "Salt" with Angelina Jolie. Not a big fan of the pucker-mouthed-matchstick one but I must admit it was a pretty good flick. LOTS of action. It was also left wide open for a sequel.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/17/11 07:39 PM

I watched In the Heat of the Night again last night. I am still amazed at Rod Steiger's performance. He certainly deserved Best Actor that year.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/17/11 09:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Originally Posted By: Lilo
The Killer Inside Me

This is based on a Jim Thompson novel (aside- which I couldn't find at my local Borders mad and then they wonder why more people are just ordering books online) and is set in early fifties Texas. It was directed by Michael Winterbottom.
I thought it was a pretty repugnant artistically.

I wrote a review on my film blog.

Here are few paragraphs from that post:

The Killer Inside Me has been described as a “character study”, as can often be fashionable with films and stories of this type. Beware: it's fast becoming – if it wasn't already – an industry shorthand for broody, introspective non-commitment.

Writing for Film4, Catherine Bray notes, “Lou is a polite, rather dull man, leading a highly conventional life, and if it weren't for that fact that he commits some atrocious crimes, there would be very little point in making a film about him. If we accept this, then his violence is what legitimises him as a subject.”

This, apparently, is what might have drawn Winterbottom to the character. But Bray is right to go on: “Violence being the thrust of the film, what does The Killer Inside Me have to say about violence? Not as much as you might hope, is the answer.” The film is vacant of any moral or personal complexity. Its despairing tone is a result more of its sheer, stubborn hopelessness than its atmospheric rendering of a period Texas. A Kiss Me Deadly-style conclusion lends the work absurdity, but not a jot of seriousness.



That's why I wanted to read the book to see if the Kiss Me Deadly motif was really in the original story. What's your take on films like "Irreversible", "The Devil's Rejects", etc that seemingly lack a moral center?

Would you agree that part of the whole point of film noir is to have a certain level of hopelessness and ambiguous moral view?

Does a lack of moral complexity always harm a film in your view?
I love Irreversible.

From my understanding, Thompson's novel is very much from the point of view of its protagonist, to the point where certain elements, even the violence, is presented in a biased, distorted fashion. That's completely lost in the film; Winterbottom's artistic immaturity can't take the film beyond flat.

I'm not sure if a lack of moral complexity necessarily always harms a film for me. I like serious films - that place themselves in the real world - to be complex insofar that life is complex.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/17/11 09:30 PM

Here's a few more paragraphs from that review that highlight my particular problems with the film.

No human – even one who kills “without motive” – is removed from material life. Winterbottom's protagonist (though Winterbottom would no doubt prefer us to say Thompson's protagonist) is confusingly portrayed, not because he kills apparently without motive, but because there's no real interest in the world he lives in. The central conflict between his public persona and hidden, internal persona is superficial, mannerist.

Casey Affleck utilises the same physical movements and facial expressions as he did so effectively in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, but in that film there was a careful examination of and investment in character. Here, Lou Ford remains a deliberate enigma – brief flashbacks to his childhood border on the ridiculous, banal; more often they are simply odd and distracting, as ultimately gratuitous as the shot of Jessica Alba's obliterated face.

In her Sight & Sound piece, Hannah McGill sparks up an interesting political element in the film. “The clash between Ford's public and private selves,” she writes, “could be read as a metaphor – say, for a nation state that smiles while covertly committing atrocities... Winterbottom acknowledges that if it had come together earlier, its sociopathic faux-bumpkin might have been read as a George W. Bush avatar.” That the film is set, however unwittingly (though that doesn't matter), at a time in history and a part of the world in which the former US president grew up enhances this reading.

But if Winterbottom acknowledges this interpretation, he ultimately denies it. For him, the “book and the film are about how fucked up people are everywhere and how people mess up and destroy their lives.” What a fine assessment of life! That he has no interest in accounting for Lou Ford's atrocious acts of violence is telling of this artist's preoccupations. Also, of his severe limits.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/17/11 10:54 PM

Hmm. I would have to read the book to know whether McGill's POV on that makes sense or not. People always adapt art to their own time and sensibilities. I would tend to think that the emptiness of Lou Ford is part of the whole point. Ford has no interest in the world he lives in short of seeking to fulfill his own "sick" "evil" needs. That's it. He can put on emotions the way other people put on clothes but they're never part of him.

I found the film similar to Devil's Rejects but different in that the director did not try to manipulate the audience into having any sympathy for the protagonists. There was another movie like that which comes to mind "Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer" which was also pretty empty at the core. I thought that was deliberate as well.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/19/11 08:53 PM

I watched Hancock last night. Hmmm. The premise was kind of goofy - an alcoholic superhero?. Then it got confusing. I still don't know how an invulnerable superhero devolved into a vulnerable, less than super hero. Then, a female superhero that he just happens to make a connection with. Coincidence? In any case, I'll watch it again tonight and maybe it'll make more sense.
Posted By: VitoC

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/24/11 05:23 AM

Just finished watching the premiere of "Mean Girls 2." At best, it's a pale shadow of its predecessor. It has none of the zip, none of the addictive, exuberant, alive feeling and great writing of the first one. On IMDB, I gave "Mean Girls" a 9 (out of 10) but "Mean Girls 2" only gets a 5.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/30/11 07:06 PM

I just watched "Training Day" for the first time yesterday on tv with Denzel Washington and Ethan Hawke. Man, what a bad ass SOB Denzel was. eek I have not seen many of his movies, but like the ones I have seen. I've never seen him in this kind of role. He really made you hate his character that's for sure. I can see why he won his Oscar.


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/31/11 01:45 AM

Denzel was amazing in that role. I am a huge Denzel fan, and I not only hated him in that role, but found him terrifying. Ethan Hawke was very good, too. Although I believe Denzel's best acting was in "Glory", I think "Training Day" is the role that he will be remembered for.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/01/11 09:07 PM

I watched 60 films last month, 53 of which were for the first time. 5 were at the cinema. If you want any thoughts on these, let me know...


The Man on the Train *****
Patrice Leconte 2002 France / UK / Germany / Japan DVD

Johnny Handsome *****
Walter Hill 1989 USA DVD

White Heaven in Hell *****
Yoshiyuki Kuroda 1974 Japan DVD

A Serious Man *****
Ethan & Joel Coen 2009 USA DVD

I Wouldn't Like to Be a Man *****
Ernst Lubitsch 1918 Germany DVD

Oliver Twist *****
David Lean 1948 UK TV REC.

127 Hours *****
Danny Boyle 2010 USA / UK CINEMA

Touching the Void *****
Kevin Macdonald 2003 UK TV REC.

The Quiet American *****
Phillip Noyce 2002 Germany / USA / UK / Australia / France TV REC.

FILM OF THE MONTH
The Red Shoes *****
Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger 1948 UK TV REC.

Katzelmacher *****
Rainer Werner Fassbinder 1969 West Germany DVD.

Love is Colder Than Death *****
Rainer Werner Fassbinder 1969 West Germany DVD

Rio das Mortes *****
Rainer Werner Fassbinder 1971 West Germany DVD

The Doll *****
Ernst Lubitsch 1919 Germany DVD

The Bourne Identity *****
Doug Liman 2002 USA / Germany / Czech Republic DVD REWATCH

The Sweet Hereafter *****
Atom Egoyan 1997 Canada DVD

The Oyster Princess *****
Ernst Lubitch 1919 Germany DVD

The Bourne Supremacy *****
Paul Greengrass 2004 USA / Germany DVD REWATCH

One Good Turn *****
James W. Horne 1931 USA DVD

Thicker Than Water *****
James W. Horne 1935 USA DVD

The Postman Always Rings Twice *****
Tay Garnett 1946 USA TV REC.

The King's Speech *****
Tom Hooper 2010 UK / Australia CINEMA

Passport to Pimlico *****
Henry Cornelius 1949 UK TV REC.

Sumurun *****
Ernst Lubitsch 1920 Germany DVD

The Bourne Ultimatum *****
Paul Greengrass 2007 USA / Germany DVD REWATCH

Beau Hunks *****
James W. Horne 1931 USA DVD

Tell No One *****
Guillaume Canet 2006 France DVD

I Can't Sleep *****
Guillaume Canet 2000 France DVD

Blue Valentine *****
Derek Cianfrance 2010 USA CINEMA

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid *****
George Roy Hill 1969 USA TV REC.

Love On the Dole *****
John Baxter 1941 UK TV REC.

The Asphalt Jungle *****
John Huston 1950 USA TV REC.

Catch Me If You Can *****
Steven Spielberg 2002 USA TV REC.

Our Wife *****
James W. Horne 1931 USA DVD

Helpmates *****
James Parrott 1931 USA DVD

Sweet Sixteen *****
Ken Loach 2002 UK TV REC.

Me and My Pal *****
Charley Rogers and Lloyd French 1933 USA DVD REWATCH

Brats *****
James Parrott 1930 USA DVD

Twice Two *****
James Parrott 1933 USA USA

The Laurel-Hardy Murder Case *****
James Parrott 1930 USA DVD

Berth Marks *****
Lewis R. Foster 1929 USA DVD

Noche De Duendes *****
James Parrott 1930 USA DVD

Oliver the Eighth *****[/sub][/size]
Lloyd French 1934 USA DVD

Black Swan *****
Darren Aronofsky 2010 USA CINEMA

As Unaccustomed As We Are *****
Lewis R. Foster & Hal Roach 1929 USA DVD

With Love and Hisses *****
Fred Guiol 1927 USA DVD

Duel in the Sun *****
King Vidor 1946 USA TV REC.

Chickens Come Home *****
James W. Horne 1933 USA DVD REWATCH

Come Clean *****
James W. Horne 1931 USA DVD

Spartacus *****
Stanley Kubrick 1960 USA TV REC.

The Lady Eve *****
Preston Sturges 1941 USA DVD

The Lavender Hill Mob *****
Charles Crichton 1951 UK TV REC.

Who Framed Roger Rabbit *****
Robert Zemeckis 1988 USA TV REC. REWATCH

The Philadelphia Story *****
George Cukor 1940 USA TV REC.

Biutiful *****
Alejandro González Iñárritu 2010 Spain / Mexico CINEMA

They Live By Night *****
Nicholas Ray 1949 USA TV REC.

Should Married Men Go Home? *****
Leo McCarey & James Parrott 1928 USA DVD

Love 'Em and Weep *****
Fred Guiol & F. Richard Jones 1927 USA DVD

Early to Bed *****
Emmett J. Flynn 1928 USA DVD

Carlito's Way *****
Brian De Palma 1993 USA DVD


Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/11 12:03 AM

[quote=Capo de La Cosa Nostra]I watched 60 films last month, 53 of which were for the first time. 5 were at the cinema. If you want any thoughts on these, let me know...[quote]

MammaMia (not the film) Average 2 a day. I don't even watch 2 a month. What was the most in one day? Did you miss any days? Has this done any damage to your cortex or, are you more vibrant, cogent, and lucid than before. Quite a feat Capo clap

The other night I watched one of my favorites "Jeremiah Johnson", (1972) starring Robert Redford, directed by Sydney Pollack. If you've never seen it, I recommend it for it's simplicity and cinematic beauty. Redford plays the part of a "mountain man". Someone who wants to leave the past and world behind by striking out into the American western wilderness and living a life close to nature. But the Indians and "white man" provide conflict for his serene, simple life-style.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/11 10:00 AM

I began watching films on the 3rd Jan and didn't watch any on the 20th, 21st or 31st. I watched four films on the 29th, but three of those were Laurel and Hardy two-reelers; I watched three features - Lavender Hill Mob, Roger Rabbit and The Philadelphia Story - on the 27th.

I feel pretty articulate; the more films I see the more I want to see. It's contagious.

I guess I can think of worse ways of spending one's time. smile
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/11 01:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
I watched 60 films last month, 53 of which were for the first time.


Do you work?
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/11 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
I watched 60 films last month, 53 of which were for the first time.


Do you work?


lol
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/11 04:08 PM

Yeah, I work.

Two films a day isn't much really, considering the amount of time people will waste flicking the channels on the TV; or browsing the Internet, and so on.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/11 06:34 PM

That's quite a list Capo. Many of those films I have not seen. Some classics (ie Butch Cassidy & The Postman Always Rings Twice). HBO has aired "A Serious Man" a number of times, but for some reason it's never interested me enough to watch it.

I see, however, you saw all three Bourne movies and rated them all the same. I assume you enjoyed them. I love that series. smile


TIS
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/11 07:43 PM

I did see The Postman Always Rings Twice. Nicholson really knows how to give it to a woman. Fantastic movie.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/11 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
I did see The Postman Always Rings Twice. Nicholson really knows how to give it to a woman. Fantastic movie.
I didn't see that version, I saw the 1946 adaptation with John Garfield and Lana Turner.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/02/11 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
That's quite a list Capo. Many of those films I have not seen. Some classics (ie Butch Cassidy & The Postman Always Rings Twice). HBO has aired "A Serious Man" a number of times, but for some reason it's never interested me enough to watch it.

I see, however, you saw all three Bourne movies and rated them all the same. I assume you enjoyed them. I love that series. smile


TIS
Yeah, they're all great. The first one is the best, I think.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/03/11 05:29 AM

I really loved A Serious Man. A lot of people complain how slow it is and how very little happen, but imo, those people just didn't get the movie. To me it was absolutely brilliant. We all want to know the answers to everything, think everything happens for a reason, when in reality things don't happen for a reason.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/22/11 03:03 AM

Just watched Black Swan and I was impressed. Brilliant film making. It should win for cinematography and direction. Portman is also fantastic.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/25/11 08:17 PM

I just finished watching "The Social Network" on "On Demand." The only Oscar nominated film I've seen. ohwell

It was interesting, the cast (all of whom I never heard of except Justin Timberlake) were all very good as well.

Not being a regular user of FB, I've heard bits pieces of Zuckerberg's story, like issue with the Winklevoss twins, so that and other gaps were filled in. Whether it's true in reality or not, I had read that Zuckerberg's character was not very likable and the film certainly portrayed him that way. In the very first scene Mark's girlfriend is breaking up with him telling him, "Dating you is like dating a stair master." lol

This movie is probably the "first" of it's kind depicting the landmark "Technology" boom that we are experiencing today. In that regard I think it will be historic.


Oh, and nice touch playing "Baby You're A Rich Man" during the ending credits as well. smile

TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/25/11 09:07 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I just finished watching "The Social Network" on "On Demand." The only Oscar nominated film I've seen. ohwell
TIS

Check out Winter's Bone
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/25/11 11:45 PM

We saw "Toy Story 3". As my daughter predicted, I cried like a little girl. Loved it.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/27/11 06:07 PM

Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
I really loved A Serious Man. A lot of people complain how slow it is and how very little happen, but imo, those people just didn't get the movie. To me it was absolutely brilliant. We all want to know the answers to everything, think everything happens for a reason, when in reality things don't happen for a reason.


I just watched it last night and it was the first Coen Brothers movie I've ever watched and not loved right away. I was kinda stoned and almost falling asleep in the beginning though, had to get up and turn the lights on but the movie didn't keep me all that up. it is slow, but that's not necesarialy a problem. I'll definitely watch it again and all odds are that I'll love it once I really get into it. I just know I didn't get it, like you say... I absolutely loved "Burn After Reading" which is somewhat similar to this one: "small" movie with a lot of thing happening for no reason.

SIDE NOTE: watched "Inglourious Basterds" again on friday, and I have to repeat what I first posted in these boards when I first watched it: if you at least don't get somewhat amused with this film, you have a serious problem, my friend. even my ex-girlfriend who's a "Twilight" series die-hard fan liked it when we watched in the movies.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 02/28/11 01:19 PM

Haha, I would think Twilight fans would be natural lovers of Inglorious Basterds. tongue
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/01/11 01:02 AM

My film watching last month...

FEBRUARY
31 films | 27 first viewings | 5 at the cinema

Intolerable Cruelty *****
Ethan & Joel Coen 2003 USA DVD

The Trial of the Incredible Hulk *****
Bill Bixby 1989 USA DVD REWATCH

Brighton Rock *****
Rowan Joffe 2010 UK CINEMA

20 Fingers *****
Mania Akbari 2004 Iran TV REC.

The Circle *****
Jafar Panahi 2000 Iran TV REC.

Gods of the Plague *****
Rainer Werner Fassbinder 1970 West Germany DVD

Rabbit Hole *****
John Cameron Mitchell 2010 USA CINEMA

True Grit *****
Ethan & Joel Coen 2010 USA CINEMA

28 Days Later... *****
Danny Boyle 2002 UK DVD

The Fighter *****
David O. Russell 2010 USA CINEMA

Sunshine *****
Danny Boyle 2007 UK / USA DVD

FILM OF THE MONTH
Don *****
Abolfazl Jalili 1998 Iran TV REC.

An American in Paris *****
Vincente Minnelli 1951 USA TV REC.

In Which We Serve *****
David Lean & Noel Coward 1942 USA TV REC.

Sugar Daddies *****
Fred R. Guiol & Leo McCarey 1927 USA DVD

Politiquerias *****
James W. Horne 1931 USA DVD

On the Loose *****
Hal Roach 1931 USA DVD

That's My Wife *****
Lloyd French 1929 USA DVD

Along Came Auntie *****
Fred R. Guiol & Richard Wallace 1926 USA DVD

Flowers and Trees *****
Burton Gillett 1932 USA STREAM

Brave New World *****
Leslie Libman & Larry Williams 1998 USA TV REC.

Laughing Gravy [2-REEL] *****
James W. Horne 1931 USA DVD REWATCH

Slipping Wives *****
Fred R. Guiol 1927 USA DVD

The Fixer Uppers *****
Charley Rogers 1935 USA DVD

Les Carottiers *****
James W. Horne & James Parrott 1931 USA DVD

Laughing Gravy [3-REEL] *****
James W. Horne 1931 USA DVD

My Favorite Wife *****
Garson Kanin 1940 USA TV REC.

Witness *****
Peter Weir 1985 USA TV REC. REWATCH

Animal Kingdom *****
David Michôd 2010 Australia CINEMA

Never Let Me Go *****
Mark Romanek 2010 UK / USA DOWNLOAD

Inception *****
Christopher Nolan 2010 USA / UK DVD REWATCH

Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/05/11 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Haha, I would think Twilight fans would be natural lovers of Inglorious Basterds. tongue


lol

mostly, if a person is able to enjoy "Twilight", that means she is absolutely unable of appreciating other pieces of art that have something good to it.

also I just re-read your thoughts on "Basterds" and it seems you have much more of them than I do. I couldn't come up with that many flaws even if I'd took Roger Ebert's diss class. also I think someone's feelings towards this kind of movie reflect something about this one's guy approach to life. I just like to sit and watch that nonsense and I don't care what the fuck Tarantino stands for. it just amuses the hell out of me.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/19/11 01:38 PM

I finally went to see 'The King's Speech' yesterday.

Great movie and Colin Firth completely earned his Best Actor Oscar.

It was also quite amazing to come home & play King George VI's actual 1939 speech to the British people, after having seen Firth's re-enactment in the movie.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/19/11 02:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
The Town
Despite using virtually every known cliche of heist flicks/Irish gangster movies/action movies and running maybe 20 minutes longer than needed, "The Town" was a relatively entertaining film.

I finally saw it last night on DVD and I agree with this synopsis.

Lilo, if you thought the theatrical version was too long, you should know that Affleck's original cut was almost 4 hours, and an almost 3 hour "Director's Cut" is available on the DVD.

I was a bit disapponted in the ending, though. I made sure I read the book first ("Prince of Thieves," by Chuck Hogan), and would have been happier with Hogan's grittier, more realistic denouement. By the way, I recommend the book wholeheartedly. Back in 2005, Stephen King called it one of the top ten books of the year, while writing for "Entertainment Weekly." I'm not sure if I agree it was one of the year's ten best, but it was definitely up there.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/19/11 08:35 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Lilo
The Town
Despite using virtually every known cliche of heist flicks/Irish gangster movies/action movies and running maybe 20 minutes longer than needed, "The Town" was a relatively entertaining film.

I finally saw it last night on DVD and I agree with this synopsis.

Lilo, if you thought the theatrical version was too long, you should know that Affleck's original cut was almost 4 hours, and an almost 3 hour "Director's Cut" is available on the DVD.



I was a bit disapponted in the ending, though. I made sure I read the book first ("Prince of Thieves," by Chuck Hogan), and would have been happier with Hogan's grittier, more realistic denouement. By the way, I recommend the book wholeheartedly. Back in 2005, Stephen King called it one of the top ten books of the year, while writing for "Entertainment Weekly." I'm not sure if I agree it was one of the year's ten best, but it was definitely up there.


I'll check for the book, PB.
4 HOURS?
I'm lucky Affleck didn't have final cut option on the movie or if he did he came to his senses.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/19/11 08:37 PM

The Town was one of the newer movies that did sound good to me. I hope to check it out too. smile



TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/19/11 09:07 PM

Has anyone seen Hawthorne with Will Smith? I have a question about it
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/20/11 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Has anyone seen Hawthorne with Will Smith? I have a question about it

He's not in the show, Oli. "Hawthorne" stars his wife, Jada Pinkett. Will Smith is co-producer, and a colossal pain in the ass, if you can believe the folks at TNT.

I also just read that he's holding up "Men in Black 3" because he's currently under the impression that he's a more gifted screenwriter than the professionals. Tommy Lee Jones has threatened to quit. And Tommy Lee's resume speaks for itself. He certainly doesn't need Will Smith telling him what to do.

I always liked Smith. A lot. So I'm kind of disappointed that in middle-age he's become a bit of a bully.
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/20/11 08:38 PM

Will Smith left Philly and never looked back. So fuck Will Smith.
Posted By: ToniCipriani

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 03/26/11 09:53 AM

Since this is my first post I want to say hello and thanks for having me here at these forums, I wasn't sure wether it was appropriate for a new member to post in this thread or not but I thought I'd share my thoughts on a movie I saw recently.

Once Upon a Time in America (1984)

This is the first time I've seen this film, I've seen just about all the other big names in the genre but this film is one I never got around to seeing. I can't say this film is quite up there with The Godfather Trilogy or Goodfellas but it was a good enough film. Robert De Niro and James Woods were great in their roles as well as a small part with Danny Aiello, it's also nice to see Richard Bright in other films beside The Godfather and The Getaway, the one major flaw I can find is that while even though the cut of the film was the longest availible, it seemed like it was a film meant to be much longer than the four hours and something this version was, still it's definitely not a bad film and it was nice to see what Sergio Leone can do in the gangster genre.

In ranking I'd give the film 3 stars out of 4, although if they ever released a longer cut it would probably rank higher.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/11 03:37 PM

Ok, so this past weekend was a layback one for me. I watched two movies that I doubt I would have watched if I wasn't kind of bored BUT both ended up NOT being too bad, although both extremely odd. I never heard of either.

1. Roadkill lol (Chill channel)- Yea, I know. I though ok, one of these common themes on that channel were kids get stuck in some West Virgina backwoods and fight off cannibals. No, not quite. 5 kids in Ireland accidentally run over a witch who then curses them in the form of a huge bird that chases them down this deserted Irish road. LMAO. Yea, kind of dumb but not quite as bad as one might think.

2. Stuck (SciFI channel) Again, never heard of it. The guy from "The Crying Game" (Stephen Rea) was in it. This one is really really weird. In brief, a nurse hits this guy with her car. He's stuck in her windshield and she keeps him there without helping him for a few days, kind of denying it happened. The bulk of the movie she has the car parked in the garage with his body half in her windshield. lol Very creepy creepy movie.

Both odd films, but I finished watching both. I must have been bored. I kind of found both amusing in an odd way

TIS
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/11 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

2. Stuck (SciFI channel) Again, never heard of it. The guy from "The Crying Game" (Stephen Rea) was in it. This one is really really weird. In brief, a nurse hits this guy with her car. He's stuck in her windshield and she keeps him there without helping him for a few days, kind of denying it happened. The bulk of the movie she has the car parked in the garage with his body half in her windshield.


lol lol lol I'VE GOTTA SEE THIS!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/11 04:07 PM

Vinny,

All the laughing icons is exactly how I saw this, although I followed the story, I kept chuckling and thinking to myself, "how weird is this." lol

This won't give anything away, but the movies starts with this guy getting kicked out of his apartment because he couldn't pay the rent; he had a job interview the same day and waited 3 or 4 hours and then they told him that his name wasn't in the computer and he had to redo the paperwork and come back. He had a grocery cart for the few things he grabbed from his apartment when he got kicked out and THAT'S when this woman hit him. Talk about a horrible day. lol

I'd like to know who thought up the storyline.


TIS

Ok, I found the trailer and it appears it's based on a true story??? WTF?? lol


Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/11 04:37 PM

Re-watched "Plein Soleil" ("Purple Noon"), the original French version from 1960. Based on "The Talented Mr. Ripley," with Alain Delon playing Ripley. Georgeously photographed in Rome and southern Italy. Delon, impossibly pretty at 27, turns in a creditable performance. Good film, though Delon was better in "Rocco e Sui Fratelli."
Posted By: VinnyGorgeous

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/17/11 05:09 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Vinny,

All the laughing icons is exactly how I saw this, although I followed the story, I kept chuckling and thinking to myself, "how weird is this." lol

This won't give anything away, but the movies starts with this guy getting kicked out of his apartment because he couldn't pay the rent; he had a job interview the same day and waited 3 or 4 hours and then they told him that his name wasn't in the computer and he had to redo the paperwork and come back. He had a grocery cart for the few things he grabbed from his apartment when he got kicked out and THAT'S when this woman hit him. Talk about a horrible day. lol

I'd like to know who thought up the storyline.


TIS

Ok, I found the trailer and it appears it's based on a true story??? WTF?? lol





lol lol lol When he begs to go to the hospital she tells him to go to sleep lol. I'd hate to be run over by Mena Suvari..or Mean Suvari.

How the hell could she drive with him stuck in there? Was she that shocked? This is wrong on so many levels lol lol.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies/TV Random Post Whoring - 05/23/11 04:34 AM


With all this Rapture talk lately, I was reminded about a movie I watched a couple weeks ago (the first part of a trilogy), and saw the last two tonight:

Left Behind (2001)
Left Behind II: Tribulation Force (2002)
Left Behind: World at War (2005)

These are Christian-centric movies, but yet, they're made as mainstream features. If you want to get what the Rapture is (can be) all about in modern times, then take a look. I'm Christian (Catholic), so didn't take any offense at the scripture embedded within. These aren't the best movies ever made (nor the worst), but the subject matter is interesting, timely, and a bit inspirational. Sadly, Part III ended on a cliff-hanger, and IV has yet to be made as far as I know....
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies/TV Random Post Whoring - 05/23/11 03:39 PM

Watched "Easy A" last night. Although premise of the movie was a bit silly, it had very witty dialogue and some excellent actors. Some very funny scenes.

It's about a girl who lies about losing her virginity and soon finds herself labeled the school slut. To mirror the book she's reading in English class, she starts to wear a red A on her clothes. She finds out how hard it is to stop the rumor mill once it gets started.

Stanley Tucci, one of my favorite actors, played the dad and Thomas Hayden Church is the girl's English teacher. The movie was light and entertaining, sort of perfect for sitting around the family room on a Sunday night after a gloomy day.
Posted By: FastDebrid

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/24/11 08:10 AM

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Posted By: BAM_233

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 05/26/11 08:52 PM

just watched 'black swan', and wow that was a great movie. very entertaining, and messed up at the same time. the character's were good, even though i couldn't stand the mother.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/13/11 11:43 PM

I've spent the last few days watching "Benny Hill: The Complete Megaset 1969-1989".

Sometimes things you get a glimpse of as kids don't really hold your attention as adults. Thankfully this was not the case with Benny Hill. Although his show did include a lot of stockings and cleavage smile it was also more than that. There was quite a lot of wordplay, puns, satire and so on. Hill also had a huge debt to silent film and to Charlie Chaplin.

I liked the early years best. In the later years he just got sort of lazy and turned over huge swaths of the show to the Hills Angels dancers. Even so Hill and his team did a great job with humorous adaptations of "Carmen" and "Cabaret". Good stuff.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/14/11 05:22 AM


I watched Benny Hill in like 7th/8th grade, and thought it was hilarious. Now, when I flip channels and see him on, I watch for a few minutes, then keep going -- I just don't find it that funny any more. But I agree he was a true talent (especially for English humor, which is often lost on me ;))
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 06/28/11 04:37 AM


I kinda wanted to see, but wasn't really thrilled about actually getting, 1776 (1972) in the mail from Netflix. For once in a week I had a night to myself so plopped it in -- all 142 minutes of it, assuming it'd be some corny, gay (merry) musical adapted from Broadway.

Originally Posted By: Dave Heston via IMDB
The film version of the Broadway musical comedy of the same name. In the days leading up to July 4, 1776, Continental Congressmen John Adams and Benjamin Franklin coerce Thomas Jefferson into writing the Declaration of Independence as a delaying tactic as they try to persuade the American colonies to support a resolution on independence. As George Washington sends depressing messages describing one military disaster after another, the businessmen, landowners and slave holders in Congress all stand in the way of the Declaration, and a single "nay" vote will forever end the question of independence. Large portions of spoken and sung dialog are taken directly from the letters and memoirs of the actual participants.


Don't get me wrong, I don't mind musicals -- Grease is one of my favorite movies -- but I underestimated this. I quite enjoyed it, actually! William Daniels (Knight Rider's KITT, Boy Meets World's Mr. Feeny (I was waiting for him to say "Mr Matthews" lol)) as John Adams and Howard Da Silva as Ben Franklin were terrific. And on top if it, I learned quite a bit -- those other signatures besides Adams', Franklin's and John Hancock's really came to life. Highly recommended!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/11/11 06:15 PM

One of the cable stations is always running "A Time To Kill" (1996)and it seems like it's always late in the evening that I end up watching part of it and falling asleep. Yesterday I caught it in the afternoon and I really thought it was a good movie. It stars Matthew McConaughey and Samuel L. Jackson and co-stars Donald Sutherland, Kevin Spacey and Sandra Bullock.

It's based on a John Grisham novel by the same name and is about A young lawyer defends a black man accused of murdering two men who raped his 10-year-old daughter, sparking a rebirth of the KKK. I was impressed with McConaughey's performance. I can't say I have seen many of his films but he always struck me as an party boy actor who took oddball roles. He was very good in this movie and the story was very good as well. I would recommend it for those who have not seen it.

smile

TIS



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117913/
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/11 12:42 AM

TIS, read the book if you haven't. IMO, it's Grisham's best. The movie was decent, especially Sutherland. But then, when isn't he??
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/11 01:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
TIS, read the book if you haven't. IMO, it's Grisham's best. The movie was decent, especially Sutherland. But then, when isn't he??


Hi SB,

Yea, I might just do that. From what I know of his books that were made to movies, I like his stories. There was another film (the name escapes me right now) with Susan Sarandon who was a lawyer defending a young boy who witnessed a murder???? I liked that one too. smile


TIS

Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/11 01:16 AM

That was The Client. It's a good one, too. I believe the actor that played the boy died a couple of years ago. One of my favorite actors plays the bad guy in that one - Anthony LaPaglia. He's so young and thin that you almost can't recognize him! lol
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/11 02:54 PM

Good film that babe.

Finally got round to watching THE BOY IN STRIPED PAJAMAS.

Very profound and very, very sad.......
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/11 04:33 PM

That movie KILLED me, Yogi. I cried my eyes out. It's a well-known fact that I'm easily manipulated to tears by movies and TV shows, but that one was just too, too much.

The mother was very, very good. She was also in "Up in the
Air" with George Clooney, quite a different role. I almost didn't recognize her!
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/11 05:33 PM

There may have been a bit leakage in my eye as well but i think i had something in it or something...... whistle
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/12/11 06:17 PM

A speck of dust or something, I'm sure.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/11 12:27 AM

Me & Mrs. Mark just watched "The King's Speech". Great movie - very funny as well. I enjoyed the parts when he would launch into an almost tourettes like cursing verbal exercise! Very funny.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/13/11 10:22 PM

I couldn't sleep last night and turned on the tv to an old Joan Crawford (aka Mommie Dearest) movie called "Queen Bee." I loved the description of the film:

"Joan Crawford practically patented this role, where she plays a domineering woman who will stop at nothing to get what she wants." lol

I wish I could have stayed awake to watch the entire film which also starred Fay Wray (from the original King Kong)

Anyone remember Mommie Dearest? And, what ever happened to Christina Crawford?

TIS

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/16/11 03:27 AM

FX is showing "The Taking Of Pelham 1 2 3 remake with Denzel Washington & John Travolta. So far it's pretty good. Anyone else see it? I've never seen the original so can't compare.

smile
TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/16/11 11:48 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
FX is showing "The Taking Of Pelham 1 2 3 remake with Denzel Washington & John Travolta. So far it's pretty good. Anyone else see it? I've never seen the original so can't compare.

smile
TIS


I saw it. I preferred the original. It was darker. But the Washington-Travolta remake was ok.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/16/11 04:49 PM

Nothing tops the original "Pelham"--one of the best and most under-appreciated action films.

I re-watched "Crimes and Misdemeanors" last night. I'm not a big Woody Allen fan, but this was his best and most ambitious film. Brilliant.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/16/11 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
I re-watched "Crimes and Misdemeanors" last night. I'm not a big Woody Allen fan, but this was his best and most ambitious film. Brilliant.

Very dark comedy, TB. I thought Allen really proved he could go in another direction with that film.

Martin Landau is so understatedly brilliant in everything he does, it's a travesty he only won one Oscar (for "Ed Wood"). I thought he deserved another as Matt Damon's law professor in "Rounders."
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/16/11 07:12 PM

I have never been able to get into Woody Allen. I've only seen a couple of his films but he's simply not funny to me. If I see his name in a movie it's an automatic, I'm not interested. confused




TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/18/11 02:37 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Anyone remember Mommie Dearest? And, what ever happened to Christina Crawford?

TIS



TIS, you got me curious, so I googled her. According to Wikipedia, she had a near-fatal stroke in 1981, and started a bed and breakfast after rehab.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/18/11 02:47 AM

A stroke? Wow, she couldn't have been that old even in 81. Never really heard much more about her after the scathing book about her mother.

smile

TIS
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/20/11 05:02 PM

Last night I watched much of TCM's 1945 Caesar and Cleopatra with Claude Rains and Vivien Leigh. It also had Michael Renne and Stewart Granger in it. It was kind of a bizarre period piece. The sets were relatively sparse like those of the Silver Chalice with Paul Newman. It was almost like a Shakespeare movie. The leads were superb, but the dialogue was certainly not what you'd expect; much of it was lighthearted. There was no drama to it and I felt like the leads were privy to an inside joke.
Posted By: Don Cardi

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/22/11 11:38 PM

Went to see Captain America today. I really enjoyed it! star star star

If you are a superhero / comic book fan then you'll love this movie.

Tommy Lee Jones steals the movie with his witty one liners.

Word of advice to anyone that plans on seeing this movie: Do not leave when the movie ends. Make sure you stay when the Credits TOTALLY finish rolling to watch the sneak preview trailor.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/24/11 01:05 PM

I can't wait to see this movie! I love the retro 1940's appeal as they did when the made "The Phantom" with Billy Zane - BTW, a super hero movie well made before its time, worth seeing! It also has Treat Williams and a relatively unknown gorgeous brunette named Catherine Zeta Jones. Thanks DC - are you also a closet comic book nerd as I? Did you catch any of the ComicCon coverage?
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/26/11 04:03 PM

Just saw the film "Swingers" again for probably the tenth time. One of my favorite films, a 90s classic, the comedy in it isn't over the top and crude like a lot of movies today. Vince Vaughn is brilliant in it, a break out roll for him, but its also worth noting John Favreau was also good although he's often known today for his work as a director. Anyone else seen swingers?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/26/11 10:46 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I have never been able to get into Woody Allen. I've only seen a couple of his films but he's simply not funny to me. If I see his name in a movie it's an automatic, I'm not interested. confused
TIS


Do you like slapstick?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/26/11 10:52 PM

Insidious
I just watched this film.
Many modern horror films go for the gross out. Usually this involves buckets of blood and/or torture. I don't often like those sorts of films. So it was surprising that the creators of Saw could also make a throwback horror film like Insidious, which is full of such cliched but still effective moves like jump cuts, wide shots from above, creepy sounds in the dark and being alone in a dark house and thinking you saw something move. Really one of the most frightening things is to be alone or to lose control. When you go to sleep at night what are the noises that you hear? Is it just the house settling? If you dream is that just as real as what's going on during your waking hours? Insidious uses these fears quite well for the first 2/3rds of the film. It also gives a nod to classic horror themes explored in HP Lovecraft's The DreamQuest of Unknown Kaddath.

A writer/musician and her school teacher husband move into a really nice and older appearing home. They have three kids, two boys and a girl. They are still in the process of unpacking but the wife notices that some things are either lost or are moved from where she put them. She gradually comes to have more of a sense of unease with this house. Her husband ignores her feelings but he's having strange blackouts of his own. And their oldest son seems to be the most changed by the house.

After a few paranormal events which even her husband can't ignore the family flees the house. But that doesn't end the issues. Good stuff. It's a lost art of making you jump or look over your shoulder in horror films and this film shows that some people still have it. The last third of the film ups the ante quite a bit with regard to special effects and such. It loses a little of the dread that the first portion of the film had. B movie star Lin Shaye also appears as a paranormal investigator.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/26/11 11:04 PM

Lincoln Lawyer
This was a so-so drama starring Matthew McConaghey as Mick Haller in the title role. Mick's a defense lawyer who doesn't mind stretching the rules in order to defend his client. He does quite a lot of business from the backseat of his Town Car and demands cash upfront.

Mick's hired to defend a wealthy young man (Ryan Phillipe) accused of attempted rape. But of course things aren't what they seem and Mick finds himself trying to solve old crimes, defend his client, uphold justice system ethics, protect his family, stay alive and stay out of jail all at the same time. Interesting but most of the story twists were telegraphed way ahead of time. No real surprises. The story ran a little long but it wasn't the worst way to spend 2 hrs. This film also had Michael Pena, William Macy, Marisa Tomei, John Leguizamo, and Trace Adkins.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/26/11 11:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I have never been able to get into Woody Allen. I've only seen a couple of his films but he's simply not funny to me. If I see his name in a movie it's an automatic, I'm not interested. confused
TIS


Do you like slapstick?


Hey Lilo! smile

Hmmm I guess mostly no. I know I'm very outnumbered here but I have never been a Three Stooges fan but I do love the Marx Brothers.

Years ago (in the 70's) my husband and I went to see "Sleeper" Woody Allen's new movie at the time. We went with another couple. They were cracking up during the whole film. Both my husband and I didn't get the appeal and didn't laugh at all. confused Honest though, I DO have a sense of humor. tongue

TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/26/11 11:31 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I have never been able to get into Woody Allen. I've only seen a couple of his films but he's simply not funny to me. If I see his name in a movie it's an automatic, I'm not interested. confused
TIS


Do you like slapstick?


Hey Lilo! smile

Hmmm I guess mostly no. I know I'm very outnumbered here but I have never been a Three Stooges fan but I do love the Marx Brothers.

Years ago (in the 70's) my husband and I went to see "Sleeper" Woody Allen's new movie at the time. We went with another couple. They were cracking up during the whole film. Both my husband and I didn't get the appeal and didn't laugh at all. confused Honest though, I DO have a sense of humor. tongue
TIS


I'm not the biggest Allen fan but his early movie "Take The Money And Run" had a lot of slapstick and Borscht Belt humor although the film was uneven and choppy.

After five minutes he knew he was going to marry this girl. And after fifteen minutes he completely gave up the idea of stealing her purse. lol
But YMMV of course. To each her own.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/27/11 10:36 PM

LOVE The Marx Brothers! "Duck Soup" is my all time fave!
Posted By: YukonCorneleone

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 07/27/11 11:58 PM

Groucho was the best!...."Last night, I shot an elephant in my pajamas...How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know!" LOL

We watched "Horrible Bosses" the other night. Freaking hysterical! Kevin Spacey plays the best asshole ever. Highly recommend it.
And hey, Jennifer Anniston is nasty and sexy in it, so there you go....worth the price of admission! wink
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/11 02:00 PM

Ironclad
written and directed by Jonathan English.



This is about the 1215 siege of Rochester Castle. King John was extremely aggrieved at being forced to sign the Magna Carta. If a King could be limited by men and the King got his authority from the Church and God, then the Magna Carta was not only treasonous but blasphemous. That was King John's (Paul Giamatti) attitude anyway, and he was sticking to it. Giamatti chews up the scenery but it's fun.

So King John decides to travel across Britan with a group of Danish mercenaries finding the various barons or other leaders who forced him to sign the document. When he catches them he just completely ruins their day. When the King asks you if that's your signature on the document, the correct answer is no. whistle

The final castle that King John has to subdue is Rochester. The King is opposed by Baron Albany (Brian Cox) and a small group of warriors (sort of a Magnificent Seven) that Cox finds around England in a kind of Blues Brothers "We're putting the band back together" montage. These guys aren't really that well fleshed out but they don't need to be. There's a young naive squire, a rambunctious brawler, a fellow who's only in it for the money, a ladies man, an old guy ready for One Last Assignment, an archer, etc.

The lead guy and deadliest warrior is a Knight Templar named Marshall (James Purefoy). Marshall doesn't say much and is haunted by atrocities he committed on crusade.

These fellows get to Castle Rochester, kill King John's scouts who were there and organize the castle to resist, over the objections of the castellan, the pragmatic Cornhill (Derek Jacobi). Cornhill has a loveless marriage with a young wife (Kate Mara) who almost immediately shows interest in the celibacy sworn Marshall. I mean like she goes into heat. rolleyes
This role was supposed to have been played by Megan Fox but small as it is I thought Mara did a good job with it.

King John's forces show up and the REAL bloodletting begins. We're already seen hints of what Marshall can do but he kicks it up several notches. This is an extremely violent movie. I have new respect for what a five and half-foot Templar sword can do. Some might find this either cartoonish or disturbing. The film doesn't hold back. It uses that "Saving Private Ryan" shooting style for a lot of the battle scenes. Charles Dance (Tywin Lannister for Game of Thrones fans) has a small part.
Posted By: XDCX

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/11 02:25 PM

My girlfriend and I went to see RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES on Friday. As suggested by the title, it is an origin story. It is about a researcher (James Franco) who has been working on a vaccine for Alzheimer's. Naturally, the drug is being tested on chimps, and the results show that not only does the drug repair brain damage, it IMPROVES cognitive functions. From here, it's pretty easy to see where this is headed, so I'll leave the story bits at that.

As to whether or not it was a good film, the answer is an emphatic no. It was, in fact, A GREAT FILM! The story is pretty heavy (for a summer blockbuster), and the special effects are among the best I have ever seen. They are so good, you actually develop an emotional investment in the apes, and by the 2nd half you're rooting for them! Forget the Tim Burton remake (which wasn't bad, but not great either), and see this movie!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/07/11 02:29 PM

X,

Thanks for the review. smile I really had no intention of seeing it (be it theater or HBO)until I saw the previews last week and found it really intriguing. The apes looks a little to the creepy side (more so than the other ape films.) And from what I saw the effects did look good.

TIS
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/16/11 07:02 PM

Just watched THE OTHER GUYS with Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg. Now i like Wahlberg a lot and usually have a chuckle at Ferrell but this was dire, utter shit panic
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/16/11 09:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Just watched THE OTHER GUYS with Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg. Now i like Wahlberg a lot and usually have a chuckle at Ferrell but this was dire, utter shit panic

Yogi, all you have to say in order for me NOT to watch a movie is to tell me that Will Ferrell is in it. Other than "Elf", that man should not make movies. I don't get it as to why he is considered funny. panic
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/17/11 03:28 AM

It was complete, utter shit, and I couldn't help but laugh my ass off. And of course, Jeter had a cameo, so maybe that had something to do with it. tongue
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/28/11 05:29 PM

Hey TIS, you watched Unstoppable. Did I miss something? At the end, why was Ned in front of the microphone instead of the two guys who actually stopped the train? I thought that was odd.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/28/11 06:04 PM

Oli,

The two heroes were more or less in the background in the end, weren't they? I guess I kind of dismissed it at the time, but it would have made for a more climatic ending to attribute more due praise to the two heroes.

Maybe that's just one reason why I found this film to be only average/so-so. confused

TIS


Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/30/11 11:54 PM

Actually, I thought it was somewhat exciting. 16 million tons of train - that's quite alot to stop at 70 mph.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/31/11 03:42 PM

If anyone can do it, it's Denzel! lol
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 08/31/11 05:55 PM

I recently watched "Spartacus" and as it was the latest film to enter my list of all-time favorites, I felt I had to mention it here.

I did a quick search around GBB and found out it's been quietly praised here and there but I don't recall seeing a real discussion about it.

Laurence Olivier's performance as Crassus was just overwhelming, one of the best I've ever seen and the battle scene when the Roman army is lining up its legions against the slaves made me jump out of my chair like few times before. it's crazy to think they did that before CGI and huge special effects.
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/11 05:27 PM

coincidentally I had to watch another movie starring Kirk Douglas, Billy Wilder's "Ace In The Hole" and I have to thank my sweet teacher Michelle for bringing this one up and making us watch it because otherwise I would never do it.

a great, visionary film that will always be relevant as long as humans behave the way they do.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/11 05:36 PM

How about 7 Days in May? Have you ever seen it?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/03/11 05:47 PM

& Days in May? Rings a bell. confused I'll watch for it.


Just watching HBO upcoming movies: 127 Hours (James Franco) and Matt Damon's "Hereafter". Both start this month. I would like to see both. smile



TIS
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/04/11 11:31 AM



I had pretty much given up on Kevin Smith as a director. I thought his muse had left him. On a lark I decided to watch his movie "Red State" on VOD. It was described as a horror movie.

It wasn't a horror movie.

But it was one of his better movies since "Clerks" or "Chasing Amy". Smith has matured as a director and writer. I'm not saying this movie is Oscar material but it does have some Oscar winning performers in it like Melissa Leo. I was really surprised by how strong the story was. And at just under 90 minutes there's not much wasted here.

It is a take on what would happen if Fred Phelps, he of the "God hate homosexuals" fame, had decided to "start using the Second Amendment and not just the First" as one of the film's characters puts it.

Three horny high school kids (are there any other kind?) are surfing the net to find free sex. They come across a local solicitation from an older woman who agrees to service all three of the boys. Excited, the trio pile into one of their parent's cars and head off to the agreed destination. When they get there they are less than impressed with the looks and demeanor of the woman (Melissa Leo) but decide to go ahead with the plan. However Leo has plans of her own. The boys drink drugged beer and find themselves tied up in the basement of genially deranged preacher Abin Cooper (Michael Parks), Leo's father, who sends his followers out into the world to bring back homosexuals and fornicators for God's punishment. And God's punishment is more than just Bible reading. Parks does a good job with this role.

This film could have gone down the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" road at this point but it turns smartly to focus on ATF agent Joseph Keenan (John Goodman-when did he get so old??) who is called in by the sheriff to handle the situation. Keenan's supervisors are very wary of another Waco or Ruby Ridge(the media attention, not the killings) and give Keenan orders which will cause him and the audience to question just who the good guys are here.

Smith's writing is pretty good here-most of his trademark sarcasm and cynicism is muted-and he has some interesting questions to raise about religious fundamentalism AND the incredible-if not excessive power of the Federal government.

Kevin Pollak, Stephen Root, Michael Angarano and Kerry Bishe also star. I thought this was worth checking out.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/04/11 07:50 PM

Sounds really good, Lilo. I heard that John Goodman lost a lot of weight, and at his age, the skin doesn't have the elasticity to bounce back from that.

John Goodman has always been one of my favorite actors. I loved him as the Acting President on West Wing. My favorite line? "I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm about one prime rib away from a heart attack." lol
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/05/11 01:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Sounds really good, Lilo. I heard that John Goodman lost a lot of weight, and at his age, the skin doesn't have the elasticity to bounce back from that.

John Goodman has always been one of my favorite actors. I loved him as the Acting President on West Wing. My favorite line? "I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm about one prime rib away from a heart attack." lol


It was good SB. I kept waiting for Jay and Silent Bob to show up or some NJ connection or some over the top dirty joke but Smith didn't write any of that in this film. Just a good straight drama.

Yeah, maybe that's it -the weight loss. He just looked very different and very old.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/05/11 01:27 AM

It sounds like it was the right kind of scary - the kind that makes you go Hmmmmm....
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/05/11 02:12 AM

I just love the Bourne movies. I have all of them yet every time one is on tv (like now the Bourne Ultimatum) I find myself tuning in to at least portions of it. So suspenseful. smile



TIS
Posted By: Tony Mosrite

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/05/11 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
How about 7 Days in May? Have you ever seen it?


nope, never seen it.

I gotta tell you though, after "Spartacus" and "Ace in the Hole" I might look for more Kirk Douglas movies.

Laurence Olivier as Crassus stole "Spartacus" and some other performances are more impressive - Lentullus Batiatus, Gracchus - as Spartacus is a great character nonetheless which didn't have to rely on Douglas' touch to take it to another level.

Ace in the Hole's Charles Tatum though, is a selfish journalist, a cruel human being and a woman-beating bastard and he still comes out as a loveable character because of Kirk Douglas performance. if he hadn't nailed it so perfectly, Tatum would be just a hateful prick.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/05/11 05:55 PM

You might also checkout his performance in In Harm's Way.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/12/11 01:10 AM

I saw "Book of Eli" Friday night. On the surface, it seems to be standard post-Apocalyptic fare. However, it deepens into something much more thought-provoking.

Denzel Washington plays a man who has been walking west for almost 30 years. It seems that God has told him to bring the last remaining bible on Earth to California. He wanders into a town run by a corrupt and evil man, played by Gary Oldman, who is obsessed with getting a copy of the bible, as he understands its power. Jennifer Beals and Mila Kunis play a mother and daughter held captive by Oldman's character.

I don't want to give more than that away, but the film was better than I expected. At first, I thought it was a rip off of the Mad Max series, but it turned out to be a very different film. I highly recommend it.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/12/11 01:24 AM

SB,

I think that's been on HBO. I do like Denzel but wasn't sure if I'd like the movie. I'll try to check it out. Thanks smile

Last night HBO aired 127 Hours with James Franco. If you remember it was up for the Oscar last year, though didn't get much notice. It is based on a true story in which Franco plays a hiker who slips down into a mountain side and gets his arm stuck under a huge boulder. You would think there wouldn't be much to tell into a 90 minute film but it does keep you interested. You see/hear what is going thru the lead character's mind (some in flashbacks) as he struggles to survive, gradually losing confidence that he'll ever be found. I recommend it. smile



TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/12/11 01:51 AM

Glad to hear that you recommend it, TIS. I was a bit squeamish about seeing it.

One of my coworkers actually met the hiker. He went to his book signing. He said he was quite inspiring.

"Eli" has its violent moments, as well as some WTF moments, but I still felt it was worth seeing. Some people felt the plot holes were too large, but I think every film requires a certain amount of suspended belief.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/12/11 02:44 AM

I saw it and it is unremarkable. It tries to be deep, but fails.

By the way TIS, I've watched Unstoppable several times and I like it more each time. Now I understand better the use of its dynamic camering which creates movement in lieu of static scenes. It's not as staccato as I originally complained.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/12/11 02:54 AM

Really Oli? Hmmm It was actually better than I thought it would be. confused

Unstoppable has been on regularly and of course it's on "On Demand." Right now there isn't anything good on, so maybe I'll check it out again once I'm ready to get comfortable.


TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 09/26/11 03:19 PM

It's rare, but my husband and I actually went out to the movies last night. My daughter wanted to see "Lion King 3D" with her friends for her birthday. While they watched it, we saw "Contagion".

The movie tracks a virus as it makes its way to the USA from China, thanks to an executive, played by Gwyneth Paltrow, on her way home to her husband and son in Minnesota. The horror is how easily the virus/plague is spread in today's traveling world. You will never look at an elevator button again without feeling a bit of a shudder up and down your spine.

With the possible exception of Matt Damon (Paltrow's husband), you don't really get to know these characters. It's more about the virus, how it's spread, how it kills, and how the CDC and the WHO try to figure it out and stop it.

While it may be a bit dry for some, the movie was worth seeing. It was quite realistic, no drama, as in "Outbreak", no miracle vaccine. Be warned though - bring some hand sanitizer with you. Trust me. You'll be reaching for it afterwards.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/18/11 11:21 AM

The Thing

This is strictly speaking a prequel to the 1982 Kurt Russell movie but in actuality it's a remake right down to the music and even the scene progression. This was a mistake. A bad one. The SFX are good but basically if you've seen the previous movie, you've seen this one-only done right. In fact this was such a disappointment I don't really feel like writing much about it. This might be okay for people who haven't seen the 1982 move but of course any sci-fi/horror fan has already seen the Russell version. This is based on a John Campbell pulp story but it's 100% Lovecraft inspired. It wasn't a bad movie but looking back I just think it was unnecessary. The SFX are both a homage to and an improvement on the 1982 film but what's missing is the sense of paranoia.

There was slightly more explicit violence and gore, probably because that's what the modern audience is used to seeing. A woman (Mary Elizabeth Winstead) had the lead role. She does ok. The movie just didn't work for me. Ok that's it. I'm not writing more about this.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/18/11 03:32 PM

Yes, that's it. I watched Kurt Russell in the 1982 version because I'm a sci-fi/horror fan. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! whistle

Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/18/11 04:08 PM

I love "The Thing" (80s version). I never got to see it in the theater but rented it and it became a classic favorite for my family. smile Oh yea, and Russell is pretty hot! wink

Btw, another remake that was a favorite (especially for my girls, tho I enjoyed it too) was Footloose. Anyone see/hear about that remake. It was just released last weekend.



TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/18/11 04:22 PM

I haven't seen it, but the reviews I've read are that it is the cheesy remake of a cheesy film. I remember seeing the original in theaters. Kevin Bacon was adorable. I thought Zac Efron was supposed to play Ren in this remake, though. What happened to that?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 10/18/11 04:56 PM

SB

I don't know what happened. I barely no the cast. The lead girl is from DWTS is about all I know of cast. I saw previews on tv BUT didn't hear the song "Footloose". I'm sure it's gotta be in there. smile

TIS
Posted By: Nilsson

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 11/18/11 01:42 AM

Watched Fanny and Alexander recently, which was great (Bergman's 400 Blows in some ways - childhood, atmosphere, autobiographical, inclusion of his favourite actors etc), but I'm contemplating whether to buy the five-hour extended version that's not available online. Probably a long shot as not many might've seen it, but is it significantly different from the theatrical cut?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/21/11 12:17 AM

I recently watched the Fright Night remake with Colin Farrell playing the vampire Jerry. It was better than I thought it would be. Chris Sarandon had a cameo. The major difference is that the new film very quickly has the main character realize that "Jerry" is a vampire.

There is a particularly creepy scene in which Jerry tries to manipulate Charlie into inviting him into his house. Before that Charlie didn't realize he was dealing with a vampire but does during the scene. I wouldn't have paid to see this movie in the theater but VOD was perfect..
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/21/11 12:28 AM

They are remaking a lot of horror films. HBO had been running a new Friday the 13th with Jared Padelecki (Supernatural tv show); the other night they had "My Bloody Valentine" remake. I can't rate it cause I never saw the original. I know a few years back they remade "Carrie". I'm thinking it may have something to do with these new horror tv shows that have become hits, like "Walking Dead", "Being Human" & "American Horror Story" not to mention "True Blood."

smile

TIS
Posted By: phatmatress

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/24/11 11:47 PM

i just watched The Sitter with Jonah Hill. The only thing i can say about it is....i liked it when it was called ADVENTURES IN BABYSITTING w/elizabeth shue. i thought jonah hill was funny but his last two movies that i have seen him are horriable. the sitter and cyruss was just was plain out strange.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/26/11 11:59 AM

Another remake was Straw Dogs. The setting is changed from England to Mississippi. As I suspected it would this version eliminated the controversial ambiguity about the rape scene that defined the original. Here it is VERY clear that it is rape -not rough seduction.

The remake also removes the scene during the siege when the husband slaps his wife. And just to make sure that its feminist bona fides can't be questioned we have the ridiculous spectacle of the wife going running braless , complaining men are looking at her, telling her husband she dresses for him, right before stripping everything off to tease the workers-including her ex.

WTF?

Anyway those choices aside it's almost a scene-by-scene reworking of the original film. Like the original the film asks some questions about what it means to be a man. The southern workers, who are to a man dedicated to God, guns, football and Lynyrd Sknyrd pretty much in that order have little understanding or patience for the James Marsden character, who is slight, drinks lite beer, listens to classical music and can't change a tire. This being the South their contempt is initially expressed behind a thin veneer of politeness and blink-and-you'll-miss-it sarcasm. When Marsden's character expresses dismay that the barn re-roofing is taking too long, Skarsgard's character responds with seeming kindness and curiosity "How long , in your experience sir, should a roofing job take?"

James Marsden, Kate Bosworth, Alexander Skarsgaard and James Woods star.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/26/11 02:44 PM

I love James Marsden, and I hear that he finally breaks his Corny Collins and 27 Dresses smarminess and shows some serious acting chops.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/26/11 03:16 PM

I saw the original of Straw Dogs when it was released and posted a trailer to both on here on the BB. I hadn't seen the original since it's release. At the time I saw every movie Hoffman made. I do remember it being somewhat of a "downer" type movie but not a bad movie. But, like I said, it's been a long while. I'd probably check-out the remake on HBO. smile



TIS
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/26/11 06:57 PM

The Christmas Day film we watched was THE KINGS SPEECH. Despite it's great press and the fact that it's a Brit film i didn't really fancy it. Have to say though, its a great movie, well worth a watch.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/29/11 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
I recently watched the Fright Night remake with Colin Farrell playing the vampire Jerry. It was better than I thought it would be. Chris Sarandon had a cameo. The major difference is that the new film very quickly has the main character realize that "Jerry" is a vampire.

There is a particularly creepy scene in which Jerry tries to manipulate Charlie into inviting him into his house. Before that Charlie didn't realize he was dealing with a vampire but does during the scene. I wouldn't have paid to see this movie in the theater but VOD was perfect..


I agree, I thought it was decent too. Of course I thought the original version was decent as well (if overrated by the Internet), if primarily worth watching because of the late great Roddy McDowell.*

What bothers me is that the FRIGHT NIGHT remake bombed. Why is it that in recent years, any decent horror (or horror-flavored at least) movie bombs in theatres while the public rewards the latest mindless, boring, insulting horror sequel or Bay-produced remake? I'm reminded of another solidly entertaining horror-themed release in DAYBREAKERS, which didn't just bomb, it never broke weekend box-office Top Ten.

And people wonder why that genre is too busy felching itself.

*=Who incidentally also help make another pretty decent 80s matinee picture in CLASS OF 1984 much better than it had any right to be.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/31/11 03:00 PM

We watched "Contagion" last night and I have been washing my hands every ten minutes ever since!
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/31/11 06:16 PM

Saw Shaft last night. Takes me back to those 70s and the styles, the cultural and societal upheavals. That theme - wow! The acting left alot to be desired, but it was fun.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/31/11 06:19 PM

Oli,

Remember the Leisure Suits? lol panic





TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/31/11 09:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark
We watched "Contagion" last night and I have been washing my hands every ten minutes ever since!


I KNOW! It was very realistic, albeit a bit clinical. At least it wasn't overly dramatic, like "Outbreak" - no last minute miracles. I didn't get the point of the whole Chinese village and the French doctor, but overall a very good film.

My daughter is a nursing student, and when we saw it she had just finished taking Microbiology. One of her assignments was to go around the building and swab public areas to see what you could grow. My daughter swabbed the elevator button. I will never look at one the same way. sick
Posted By: olivant

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 12/31/11 11:36 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Oli,

Remember the Leisure Suits? lol panic

TIS


My God, yes. What were we thinking? Double knits period! What a tragedy. And paisley? Another horror.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/02/12 03:36 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Oli,

Remember the Leisure Suits? lol panic

TIS


My God, yes. What were we thinking? Double knits period! What a tragedy. And paisley? Another horror.


Somewhere in my mother's secret vault of family pics is my seventh grade photo decked out in a sweet light green leisure suit with silky matching button up big collar shirt and 1970's feather backed disco head of hair. It was hideous - same color as those Fannie May Mint Meltaway Candies! panic
Posted By: Mark

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/02/12 03:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: Mark
We watched "Contagion" last night and I have been washing my hands every ten minutes ever since!


I KNOW! It was very realistic, albeit a bit clinical. At least it wasn't overly dramatic, like "Outbreak" - no last minute miracles. I didn't get the point of the whole Chinese village and the French doctor, but overall a very good film.

My daughter is a nursing student, and when we saw it she had just finished taking Microbiology. One of her assignments was to go around the building and swab public areas to see what you could grow. My daughter swabbed the elevator button. I will never look at one the same way. sick


panic I hear you Babe! For one of my daughter's classes she was assigned to observe people in every public setting they could view. Bus, stores, trains, shops, etc. She said the things they do with their hands and what they do afterwords is disgusting. She carries Purel with her all the time and uses a pencil to press buttons and things!
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/02/12 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Saw Shaft last night. Takes me back to those 70s and the styles, the cultural and societal upheavals. That theme - wow! The acting left alot to be desired, but it was fun.


They say this cat Oli is a bad mother-
Hush your mouth!!
I'm just talking about Olivant...
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/02/12 04:38 PM

I love the Shaft theme. I remember Hayes all decked out in chains if I'm not mistaken. LOL. Great song though. I didn't remember hearing he passed away.

TIS


Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion, Part II - 01/02/12 07:54 PM


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