NFL 2014

Sorry ladies, but the NFL Combine starts in 3 days. We're off and running!

Being a Steelers fan, I am looking for how the CBs and safties perform since those are two of the Steelers needs.

The Steelers look at this draft as the deepest in talent in thirty years, and the teams that stand out in the draft will be those who cash in on third and fourth round talent. With defensive secondary options plentiful, there's talk about the Steelers grabbing a plum inside linebacker (either CJ Mosley of Alabama or Chris Borland of Wisconsin should be available in Round 1. There are reports that they are also interested in USC WR Marquise Lee and NT Louis Nix of Notre Dame. Much of the Steelers' defensive success over the decades revolved around a strong NT, who ate up linemen and allowing athletic linebackers to make big plays.

The Steelers think that either or both safeties Ha Ha Clinton-Dix of Ala or Calvin Pryor of Louisville may be worth taking in the first round. Polamalu is in the final year of his contract, but the Steelers are confident that Shakaro Thomas will take over as strong safety, but Ryan Clark is a free agent, so they either have to draft a player to step in as a rookie or grab another free agent as a temporary fill.

Kly, I'm hoping they take a CB and a safety early. They then can go after a receiver and defensive line players. Multiple reports on Nix cite some deficiencies; they view him mainly as one who eats up space, but doesn't adapt well to changes in direction, etc. I am surprised that those same reports are high on quite a few defensive backs who may be available in later rounds.

I wonder if any of the teams are going after LSU's duo, Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry

I too would like to see them get better in the secondary with young players, but my guess is that if one of the big 2 ILBs is still on the board, they will go there. I don't think they'll use a first round pick on WR as there are many good ones, who'll be available in subsequent rounds.

The two corners from Mich St. and Okla St. have been placed alone in the top echlon at their position for the draft, but a cb that impressed me last year as someone who can play well at the pro level is Nebraska's Stanley Jean-Baptiste. He's built like a young Mel Blount.

Beckham might go late in the first round. There are so many good receivers that who knows how they'll be ranked by different teams after the first three or four are taken.

Well Mark Sanchez was released by the Jets. It's so hard to belief what happens to these pro quarterbacks who are darlings early on and then ... pfft. He led the Jets to two AFC championship games in about 5 years. What in the world happened?

Turnabout is fair play. The Jets signed former Eagle qb, Mike Vick, and so it looks as though Mark Sanchez may be headed to the Eagles, who would then have two USC qbs on the roster. The Rams are apparently also interested in Sanchez as a backup.

I think Vick will struggle in NY. They don't have the ground attack or a game breaking WR that he enjoyed in Philly. Those factors, coupled with playing on grass in bad weather, are not favorable for the oft-injured Vick to stay healthy. The best thing Vick has working in his favor is playing behind an unexperienced Geno Smith.

Vick will fit in nicely with the Jets circus atmosphere. This could be Rex Ryan's last year if he doesn't produce a winner. The Geno Smith-Mike Vick show will garner many headlines in the NY media, which is about all the Jets can manage.

Considering all of the baggage from his arrest and incarceration for grusome crimes, Vick, while in Philly, did a good job of deflecting distractions and was actually a stabilizing presence within the team. When Riley Cooper's racially offensive remarks were released, he was the first to forgive, and without his lead, Cooper's acceptance would have been more difficult. Also, when benched due to poor performance and injury, Vick didn't mope, but helped the maturation and success of Nick Foles.

I think as a backup, he'll be more beneficial to Smith than were Sanchez and Rex Ryan.

Can you believe this crap?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/report-ray-rice-marries-fiancee-day-after-being-indicted-032914

As the Beatles sang: All you need is love, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah,...

Looks like Miami MIGHT put together a winning team next season!! Fingers Crossed!

Mike Adams, 2nd year Steelers lineman was allegedly assaulted by three men and stabbed a year ago in Pittsburgh. The trial just concluded the other day. Surprisingly, the defednats were found not guilty of the stabbing. I didn't read the whole article, so I don't know what prompted that verdict.

The NFL, for the most part, gets things right among the big 4 professional American sports leagues (NFL, MLB, NHL, & NBA). But the delay of the NFL Draft until May 8, two weeks later than in recent years, was just plain dumb.

The NFL wants to be in the news every month out of the year - I get it. But once we get past the draft until training camp starts in July, the only time the NFL is in the news is the policy blotter.

None of the so-called experts really knows what the Top 5 teams will do in this year's draft. So it's been even worse waiting because everyone has an opinion.

Roger Goodell likes to try new things and he has improved the league at times. But with the draft this year, he already had a captive audience. It's the old adage of "if it's not broken don't fix it."

This kid Seantrel Henderson of the U. Miami was the top rated prospect in the country when he went to college, nice young man, now he can't get off weed or the couch, what a waste of talent.

Numerous NFL Prospects Fail Drug Tests During Scouting Combine

The rash of failed drug tests among some of the NFL's top recruits was yet another black eye for a sport recently plagued by drug and alcohol problems.

By McCarton Ackerman

05/07/14

More than 10 NFL prospects have failed drug tests at a recent scouting combine, raising further concerns about drug use in pro football.

Among the names on the list are Louisiana State University quarterback Zach Mettenberger and Florida State defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan. University of Miami tackle Seantrel Henderson also tested positive for marijuana. The numerous positive tests are also surprising because the players were all aware they would be screened during the combine and could have stopped using well in advance.

Mettenberger claims that he had a diluted sample - considered a failed test by the NFL - from drinking extra water after cramping during his rehab for a torn ACL. He is expected to challenge the positive result. His agent, Joe Linta, said he provided medical documentation to Dr. Lawrence Brown, the league’s advisor for drugs of abuse, alcohol, and HIV.

Drug and alcohol problems have plagued the league among the professional ranks in recent years. Last February, Washington Redskins tight end Fred Davis was suspended after violating the NFL’s substance abuse policy for the second time and then receiving a DUI within 24 hours. In a prepared statement, he said that his second violation came from taking a supplement that he wasn’t aware contained a banned substance. His first violation came from testing positive for marijuana.

“For over two years, I've worked very hard to eliminate marijuana from my life, and I have not had a positive test for it since 2011. Unfortunately, a couple of months ago I took a supplement that contained a banned substance,” he said. The NFL Policy is strict, and not knowing that a supplement might contain a banned substance doesn't excuse a violation of the policy. "I've worked closely with the NFLPA and NFL to resolve this violation, and I will be permitted to apply for reinstatement in the fall.”

Since March 2013, NFL players have been arrested 27 times on drug and alcohol-related charges, and many have been suspended for violating the league's substance policy. Among the big names suspended were Denver Broncos linebacker Von Miller, New York Jets tight end Kellen Winslow, and Seattle Seahawks cornerbacks Walter Thurmond and Brandon Browner.

It'll really be some shit if Johnny Manziel doesn't get drafted .

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix??

Are you kidding me with that name??

Okay, Manziel went to the Browns. Good for Goombah!

The Eagles got a big budget they need to get some more whiteboys on the team Chip Kelly is a good coach but he's also a racist

I didn't want Manziel at #4 and was mad when they traded out of #4 and could have taken Sammy Watkins. But Manziel at #22 is good IMO. Whether he works out time will tell, but I give the new Browns GM credit for showing some guts.

Manziel was given the kiss of death by the NFL. Cleveland is where QB's go to die.

Just ask Bernie Kosar!

Come on PB, Bernie was THE exception for that short period of time. I give him credit though, he was the back up for my Phins when Marino was there.

It was a joke, LaLou. I always liked Bernie, too .

Also, ask Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weedon, ...

Nah I gotcha PB, I didn't take any offense to that!

You gotta wonder why no one drafted Manziel earlier though? Dallas, Jax, both had the chance (Although I understand drafting Bortles by JAX because he is a Florida boy).

Maybe all that show boating this past year with the hand money and signing gestures reflected his maturity.

It isn't like he is going to be running crazy on the field pulling the stunts he did and making miraculous plays. Every NFL defense is way better than LSU and his record against the Tigers was 0-2.

I see him being more like an RG III guy. He will have his bright spots in his debut, but when you contain him and take away his razzle dazzle plays he makes with his feet and force him to throw, he isn't that great (once gain reference the games vs LSU, that's exactly what they did to him)

I agree that Manziel at #4 would have increased the possible downside of an already extremely risky proposition. If they didn't make the trade, they could have still picked up Manziel at 26 and have had Watkins, who is a talent that doesn't appear in the draft every year. Manziel would then have what could likely have become the best WR tandem in the league with Gordon.

Of course,it is very questionable whether Manziel can achieve a high level of success, and what would be the point of having two unusually gifted receivers on the field when the qb can't find them or is running wildly.

I thought the Bengals lucked out in having Denard fall all the way to them. Apparently the draft is rich in secondary players after the the first few standouts.

Good luck, goombah. Are you happy with the new coach in Cleveland?

You're not a Manziel if you haven't been in jail.

There's a family history there AFAIK, the kid's dad and uncles are all ex cons. Thus the roll em up hand money gestures, he is a punk.

Worry not though, Clowney and Mr. JJ Swatt are gonna have a little something for him when the Browns play Houston.

We'll see. It's a coaching carousel in Cleveland, so I need to see the coach on game day before saying whether I like him or not. I was not at all pleased about the search process that netted Pettine, but that process also helped us get rid of a totally inept front office of Lombardi and Banner. I'm cautiously optimistic that new GM Ray Farmer was a real find.

I wish the Browns would have backed up the Brinks truck to Jon Gruden, but they cannot attract top name coaches when they fire coaches every 1-3 years.

I'm reminded of one of my favorite George Costanza quotes when thinking about Browns owner Jimmy Haslam: "He fires people like it's a bodily function."

And good luck with Manziel, Goom. Kid's off to a rollicking start .

I'll be surprised if this ends well. About the only news Manziel's not been involved in is attacking girls and crashing his motorcyle like Ben "Evil Knievel" Roethlisberger. I get the feeling Johnny would've really liked hanging around Micky Mantle and Babe Ruth.

Training camps opening today and tomorrow, only about six weeks to kick off. Buffalo Bills for sale, John Bon Jovi part of a group looking to buy them. My pre-season pics for the Super Bowl are Indy and San Fran.

Me being a western new yorker I dont think thats goin happen bon jovi buying da team Sabres owner terry pegula is also bidding think its going stay in buffalo!! Looking forward to c how ej does hope we improve sucks alonso out.. But I think itll be a repeat of last yr Seahawks vs broncos

Terry Pegula went to the same high school I did. He was in my uncle's graduating class and is a self-made multi-billionaire. What's funny is that my uncle and his friends don't remember him at all.

If I had to make an early prediction for the Super Bowl, I'll go with the Eagles in the NFC as Chip Kelly was just starting to put together an amazing offensive machine. While DeSean Jackson left the team, Kelly assembled some additional guys from his system in Oregon. Defense will be important for Philly.

The AFC may be open. Peyton is a year older and showed in the Super Bowl that his arm strength is not nearly what it was. The Chiefs made vast improvements under Reid , and like his old team in Philly, a lot will determine on how well his defense can play. I think they can keep scores down though with time of possession, and find their way to the Super Bowl beating the Eagles 33-28.

No way Kly! The Steelers are taking it all.

I purposely never pick them, lest the football gods jinx them. But if Leveon Bell stays healthy, and the offensive line protects Ben, it could be a very good year. Last year on the first offensive series of the first game Pouncey was lost for the season when his teammate hit him from behind accidentally. That was a huge loss for the team.

I hope your right, I would like to see the team stay in Orchard Park, Emanuel has the tools hopefully he will stay healthy.

My pre season picks - before the season starts. 28 players will be suspended for PEDs; 14 will be arrested before the season starts; 3 will die in car accidents; 7 will father childern under dubious circumstances; 1 will commit suicide.

And 1 owner will get off of all DRUG charges levied against him .AND THE COKE THEY FOUND IN THE CAR WAS TOSSED OUT .

Ray Rice only received a 2 game suspension for using his then-fiancée as a punching bag. Goodell is inconsistent when it comes to administering punishment.

Josh Gordon's appeal from his year-long suspension for a repeated illegal substance abuse violation for marijuana takes place next week. He didn't exactly help himself by getting nailed for drunk driving soon after the suspension was announced.

But in addition to Irsay likely getting off easy, Goodell is not making a move yet against Brown owner, Jimmy Haslam, CEO of Pilot Flying J truck stops, who admitted to criminal wrongdoing in defrauding customers, and agreed to a fine of $92 million and restitution order of $56 million.

It seems that NFL players are held to a much higher standard than the owners of the team.

I've been hearing that Gordon will appeal, but when did he ever get formally suspended? Even though he plays for my team, I hope he gets suspsended indefinitely. He doesn't deserve to be in the NFL. Just like Justin Blackmon, who just got arrested again while on suspension.

Irsay should get a heavier suspension than what Goodell levied against Jim Tressel, when the latter worked for the Colts and the suspension was a result of his NCAA actions.

Klydon, I think Goodell is not heavy handed on the owners b/c he knows he would be biting the hand that feeds him.

With the exception of Jerry Jones, if you suspend an owner and the operation doesn't skip a beat...did it really happen?

Looks like some of your predictions are correct so far

Cant believe the Ray Rice suspension unless the NFL has seen video in the elevator and his then fiance tried to hit Rice and missed and knocked herself out 2 games is horrible

Only if he sues the NFL.

In November the Steelers will retire Joe Greene's No. 75. The only other number the Steelers have ever retired is Ernie Stautner's No. 70.

I had the pleasure of knowing Joe and watching him play football at North Texas State University (now UNT). When he was drafted by the Steelers I told friends and family that they could not have made a better choice. He was a superb player and is a really good person.

Surprisingly, although they are not officially retired, there are several other players (such as Franco Harris and Jerome Bettis) whose numbers are not issued to more recent players.

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I was surprised to learn of the retirement of Greene's number as the Steelers don't officially retire numbers. But if anyone deserves such recognition it's Greene.

While the numbers aren't "retired," no Steeler player since the retirements of Terry Bradshaw(12), Joe Greene(75), Jack Lambert(58), Franco Harris(32), and Jack Ham(59) have been issued their numbers. Mel Blount's 47 has been reissued a couple of times.

How about Lynn Swann?

Swann's 88 and Stallworth's 82 have been reissued on occasion. But as receivers today are more commonly selecting jerseys in the teens, these numbers may be withheld in the future.

I just read where Brady Quinn is leaving football to broadcast college games. It's such a shame that these college football players (especially quarterbacks) are all the rage in college, but as NFL draftees they fail. Quinn is a perfect example. Of course, he was drafted by the Browns, not the sharpest organization around. But Tim Tebow was drafted by the Broncos and where is he at today?

Still on the outside trying to get in. Should have never, ever, ever, ever been a first rounder, but that's Josh McDaniels believing his own hype and bullshit as some coaching guru.

It's a shame that Pat Bowlen, owner of the Broncos, had to step down recently because of Alzheimer's. Back when Tebow was selected, there were some very loud whispers in Denver about Bowlen's focus and mental state, especially when he allowed Josh McDaniels to dismantle the franchise in just over a season (that Tebow pick being frosting on the cake).

The Bears have retired a total of 14 jersey numbers. They announced last year that Mike Ditka's #89 would be the final number retired by the franchise. They have the most retired numbers in the NFL.

Off the top of my head I guess the retired numbers belong to Ditka (89), Butkus(51), Nagurski(5?), Red Grange(77), Halas(?), Luckman(?), Payton (34), Syers (40), Piccolo? (41).

I can't be sure of the rest. I'm pretty sure none of the defensive players of the '85 team had jerseys retired. If so, I would guess Singleterry or Dent.

Not bad for a Steelers fan, kly! Well done! Believe it or not, the only '85 Bears number retired is Payton's 34. There was talk a couple years ago to retire Dent's 95 when he went into the HOF but it was shot down. Simply put, the Mc Caskey's have announced they are running out of jersey numbers and Da Coach's 89 is the final one. BTW - Nagurski was 3, Luckman was 42 & Halas was 7. If you are interested in the rest...

http://www.chicagobears.com/tradition/uniform-history.html

Thanks, Mark. For a player with such a brief career, shortened by terrible injuries, Sayers has an incredible number of amazing highlight runs. If it hadn't been for knee injuries, he might have been regarded as the greatest running back of all-time.

Agreed! I saw a half hour special on our Chicago Comcast Sports Network and it profiled the life and career of Sayers. To your point, if it were not for injuries, he would have only added to his already incredible stats.

He is now involved with a big technology/consulting thing on the north shore I believe. He is also very involved with a ton of charities, non profits, etc. Bottom line, he is very successful and grateful to God for everything. Seems like a real class act.

From what my old friends in Buffalo tell me, the Sabres owner Pegula is a class act and has made improvements to the city itself.
Most Buffalonians hope that he wins the bidding war, Donald Trump has now said it is unlikely that he will win the bidding because he only buys at the "Right" price - meaning cheap. Bon Jovi now says he is committed to keeping them in Buffalo but no one believes him. He has way too many Toronto businessmen backing him. Also why move an American then to another country. This is nuts. It's all about the $$$$$. And on a side note, Andre Reed was inducted into the NFL Hall off Fame last night.

Bummer for the NY Giants. Running Back David Wilson is out of football. His neck injury is too severe. He was a promising talents; very fast. Set a record for all-purpose yards in a game. Had 327 return yards.

It's sad to see a premature end to a career, but I'm glad he's walking away due to the heightened risk of a spinal injury.

I heard his press conference today. He was trying to be upbeat and optimistic about his future in life, but he broke down a few times. Sounded like a very rooted fellow. I wish him the best.

I wonder if there were overtures on Toronto, if the Canadian government would fight to protect Canadian Football, considering Toronto is probably the flagship franchise of the CFL. This is not without precedence -- when the train wreck World Football League formed in the mid-1970s, they placed a franchise in Toronto (which poached three players from the Super Bowl Champion Miami Dolphins). The Canadian government stepped in, and threatened to ban any American football team from the country with the Canadian Football Act. It never passed, but it was enough to force the WFL franchise to Memphis.

Do ne of u guys c Johnny Football eventually staring this yr? If not right away. Ive seen this guy since college big Fan!! Hed be so fun to watch..

Who else does Cleveland have as a QB? One things for sure, he's gonna be under a microscope.

A startling NFL statistic:

Only 28 of the 151 quarterbacks drafted from 2000 to 2010 went on to start for at least 2½ seasons. That an 81 percent failure rate.

Hopefully my Dolphins get their act together this year. Playoff appearance and I'm a happy camper!

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Jimmy Garapolo... Patriots 3rd string QB will be a decent starting QB someday.

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Manziel should start the season on the bench. Brian Hoyer, who was Brady's understudy in NE, is the starting QB. He played for 3 games last year before tearing his ACL. Hoyer has the smarts, but the big question is durability.

Manziel would be doing himself a favor to watch for at least half the season because instead of "wrecking this league," he might actually be "wrecking his confidence" from the beating he will surely take. Every defender will be trying to take Manziel out.

So true. Manziel probably has a bounty on his head. Hoyer might not be too bad. Time will tell.

Sounds like the Shane Falco story. Maybe Johnny Football will be scraping barnacles off of boats in a few years.

I would not be so quick to hate on Johnny Football.. Hoyer only played 3 games or so last year how would he done if he played through all the year ur praising Hoyer to quick.. Johnny's Looking good in Practice and shit.. U Drafted Johnny to be da savior of the program y not just Start him??? As soon as da Browns lose 3 games in a row the fans the local media are going be yelling for Johnny!! The Inevitable!!!!!! Not to say Hoyer not good y draft Johnny then?? Hoyers only played 3 games he look dec but did not play da whole season u cant just assume the browns wd of been the shit if he played..

Plus U c Johnny in College Tear it up Who even knew who Hoyer was in College not that that Matters u kno im saying im rooting for Johnny To tear it up man.. Just think man Id like t c someone like Johnny be the face of the NFL man his personality exc I hope he gets it done man

Just my opinion but, not really ready for Johnny Football to be the face of the NFL. I'm definitely not "hating" either. I'd love to see him do well. But who am I to judge?

That's too bad about David Wilson. Any promising picks for the Giants this season? I know Eli was worried about the new offense when training camp started but that may have changed at this point.

Do ne of u guys think Tony Romo is well overated man hes injury prone hes only won 1 playoff game and thats when I think Parcells was there. Hes how old 31 or 34? Gets a new contract? Does ne one else think da Cowboys made a big mistake not taking a QB in da draft? And has da romo ship sank yet

I don't think much of Tony Romo as a quarterback.

Miami Offense has been revamped buddy, if they stay healthy, I see playoffs for my boys after a ten year drought. FINS UP!!

I watched the Brown's game on NFL Network. I saw nothing to change my opinion of Manziel that he is a Tebow clone and destined for the same fate.

He's far from being a starter in the NFL. Maybe the Browns should consider developing Connor Shaw for the position. He certainly is more mature than Johnny.

Detective Brian Kohlhepp of the Ross Township, Pennsylvania Police Department confirmed to NFL Media that running backs Le'Veon Bell and LeGarrette Blount were pulled over Wednesday around 1:30 p.m. ET. They, along with an unidentified female passenger in the backseat, were taken into custody and admitted to marijuana possession.

Disappointed in these two guys. The Steelers didn't have a ground game the past two years, but are looking forward to a top ten ground game this year with the addition of Blount and a healthy year 2 from Bell, who is a very promising back.

I suspect once the charge gets through court (very quickly, I suppose, as marijuana possession in PA is essentially less than a 3d degree misdemeanor) suspensions will be handed down.

And in the eyes of Goodell possessing some weed is far more offensive than beating a woman to unconsciousness and dragging her out of an elevator by her ankles.

Given last night's game performance, pending charges (or the marijuana) affected Bell much more adversely than Blount. However, just being around those two also affected Ben.

As we approach the start of the season, I'm going through my usual bipolar response to the Steelers preseason.

A friend and I have a side bet as to when the first Manziel sex tape surfaces.

The NFL Thug. No team is immune. Such is way of the NFL world.

I Just saw An article today saying Sam Bradford is out for the rest of the 2014 Season torn Acl. I guess hes lucky he was one of the last rookies to get da major bucks before they recently put a cap on how much rookies can get.. I thought I saw Bradford was Guerenttedd 50 Million or something hope he saved it.. I feel bad injuries might of finally ended his carrer I can imagine the Rams will go another way next year for sure.

I think the Rams are toast in that division this year. I don't know if the Cardinals can repeat a 10 win season, but when they were that good and didn't make the playoffs, the Rams relying on Shaun Hill haven't a prayer.

Bradford has torn ACL. I never had that much confidence in him. Without him, the Rams are going nowhere.

Good to see the Packers had a good pre season game last week. Must say that the Raiders have a tough offensive line.

I just read that QB Brady Quinn was cut by the Dolphins. Such a fall. He was drafted by the Browns in Rd 1 of the 2007 draft out of Notre Dame. Everyone thought he was going to be an NFL star. The Dolphins were his 7th team. Even sadder is the fate of Colt McCoy out of Texas who was drafted by Cleveland in 2010 and is now with his 3rd team, the Redskins.

We brought him in to "compete" with Matt Moore less than a month ago and already terminated his contract. He needs to go to CFL for a few years, he was a pick six machine at practices.

I don't think Quinn had a chance. He was with the team a mere two weeks, certainly not enough time to absorb the system and whatnot.

It does look like former Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen will be the No. 2 for Chicago.

I thought Clausen was going to be successful as a pro though I believed he wasn't ready when he left ND early for the draft.

I just came across a stat that says that of the 20 QBs in the last ten SBs, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, and Big Ben have started 12 of them. Eli and Ben were drafted in 2004, Tom in 2000, and Peyton in 1998. Does that say something about ability, stability, and experience?

College QBs must cringe when Cleveland picks them. I guess Johnny Manziel has an excellent chance of bouncing around.

im out here on the west coast with the super bowl champs the seahawks. look for them to repeat!

My wife and two of my kids are going to Yankee Stadium for Derek Jeter Day. My other son has work, but that leaves me free to watch the Steelers at 1 in front of the tv. I'll be gnawing on either a giant cheesesteak or a big burrito from Chipotle.

It is so good to have the NFL start tonight.

You're so lucky Kly. I can't find a local bar that has the NFL package, so I'll be listening to the Steelers on ESPN radio. Thank God they'll be nationally televised about 5 or 6 times this season.

By the way, according Merrill Hoge: "Manziel is a 'juvenile punk,'will turn out like Tebow."

I agree.

I think SEATLE looks as good as ever.. I c them goin bak to SUPERBOWL vseither Pats or broncos again.

Hey Kly, Woltz, and MaryCas, get a load of this:

"James Harrison benches 405 pounds to celebrate his retirement."

Not for nothing, I don't even like the Jets. I can't stand Rex, and they deserve to be criticized. But can someone please tell Ray Lucas that he SUCKED as a quarterback and that his constant criticism of others playing the position is a joke?

Jets looked ok but nothing to make me go crazy or get excited. Die hard jet fan, but I have to see a lot more. Tonight's game is gonna be really good maybe even a classic if it's half as good as last years game. I'll have to change it in between in order to watch boardwalk empire though.

Well, the NJ Jets did end up beating the Raiders. Let's see if they can keep it up. Meanwhile, New York's only team, the Bills won their game

the sea hawks did a number on green bay.have you ever seen a better defence? I think the seahawks are a lock, best qb in the league.they could go undefeated. they have no soft spots. im sorry about tooting my horn. (im 250 miles from seattle} but, god these guys are good.

Early Signs? Of a solid BUFFALO BILLS D in da future!!! Watkins looked ok for his first Start giv him an EJ time ti build chemistry!! As a buffako bills fan fromWestern New York im pumped

I hate to bring you down, but as long as EJ Manuel is at the helm the bills aren't going anywhere. It's not like they faced a solid bears defense yesterday. But the season is long so we will see.

Defensively they look ready to roll though.

Fellas, my Dolphins, they got an offense this year!!

Because of the fiasco concerning Ray Rice, I think Goodell could be on his way out.

Ray Rice released.

Thats huge! Good for the NFL.

Great move BMORE...now fire goodell for handing a 2 game susupension if he knew of tapes content and fire the jersey state attorney of atlantic county for not prosecuting this piece of shit

Didn't the Head coach stand by Rice? He must have seen the video. If he did, he too should get fired!

I dont think the HC saw the video but definitely the Atlantic County state attorney had to seen the video because the state oversees the casinos. And the NFL has ex-cops and ex-FBI agents that run their security teams so they knew or saw of the video and goodell the buc stops there....goodell needs to go

Absolutely. Goodell should be forced to step down if he saw that video beforehand. And that animal should be caged because men who beat women are only second to pedophiles on the food chain.

And to think, I used to be "proud" of that kid because he's a local. Of course I don't know him, but he went to New Rochelle High School, which is just up 95 from here in Throggs Neck.

I agree with Pizzaboy. Goodell has to go over this. He can't be judge & jury and then mess this situation up so bad. I don't buy for one second that Goodell or someone in the league office hadn't seen the video before the 2 game suspension was levied.

What made my blood boil was that piece of shit Ray Lewis saying how different his situation was from Rice. Yeah murdering two people is different than beating a woman. The biggest difference was that in 2000, when 2 people died in Lewis' limo, none of it was caught on tape. The other difference is that Lewis got away with murder while Rice was caught on camera. I would say Lewis is less similar to Rice, but very similar to fellow double murderer OJ Simpson.

I thought it is a disgrace to have rev. ray on espn to talk about any negative going on in the NFL.... funniest moment was when denzel washington asked ray if he wanted to be on training day or if he could act.... pray lewis has been "acting" innocent for almost 15 years
only one person has called for goodell to step down and that was keith olberman

He's been calling for it since July. Honestly, Goodell needs to go no matter if he saw the video or not. Suspending him for 2 games was the biggest joke ever. It sounded like he was caught speeding a couple times instead of assaulting somebody.

I so agree with you Merlino.These ex law enforcement officials who run their security teams had to have seen the video and reported it to the NFL and Ravens. They contacted the Casino and the Atlantic County state attorney and "unofficially" seen its content. I think a lot of people surrounding this (The commissioner, coaches) might have said, I don't want to see the video, just tell me, do you see Ray smack her on video? and then kept quiet hoping the whole video was never released.

What I think happened was that Goodell and the Ravens were assured that the video of the assault would never come out. They gambled on that and now look terrible as a result. In today's media age of instant information, Goodell and the Ravens were plain dumb if they really believed that the video would never surface. And supposing they knew it would surface, then they were negligent for not demanding to see the video.

Either way, Goodell is unfit to hold the title of NFL Commissioner.

Goodell is using this to hopefully save his ass. He suspends him indefinitely now, but why didn't he do that in the first place? We saw the video of him dragging his fiancé out of the elevator knocked out cold was that not enough? Was seeing the actual video of him hitting her really that big of a deal? We know that he knocked her out. Could goodell really not picture in his mind the image of ray rice punching his wife and knocking her out cold? The actual video is sickening, but why didn't Goodell come down this hard in the first place if he already knew she was knocked out. I wouldn't be surprised if goodell have the go ahead himself to leak the video just so he could get vindication for the people complaining so they could hopefully get off of his back. The man is a terrible commissioner.

As a BUFFALONIAN im am super happy to c that it looks like Terry Pegula is buying da Team!!!! Looks like there stayinf in Buffalo for da for seable future now hopefully we get a new stadium downtown buffalo and im siked go bills!

You may be spot on...but then once the casino went bankrupt and then shut its doors a week or 2 ago...then somebody may have been trying to make an extra dollar here or there.....kind of bad for the NFL to not know that Revl was going to go under.....Goodell no bueno

Another reason not to watch the NFL

I don't watch the NFL and know nothing about American Football, but after reading this thread i watched the video and it was brutal, thank god that POS got banned . Was he good?

Goodell is an opportunistic worm. His EVERY decision is purely political and ALWAYS PC.......he's a spineless mouthpiece for a league that once prided itself on its athletes and image, but sadly now is a platform for liberal ideals.

2 seasons ago he was. He was a pro bowler multiple times so he used to be great. But last season he was absolutely terrible. And this season well.... You know the rest.

He'll probably play in the nfl again though. People have done things worse and still played after. Donte stallworth killed someone, mike Vick killed dogs in dog fighting, so he'll be back. It'd be unfair if he wasn't because if they can keep playing then rice should be able to keep playing. Obviously what he did was terrible and he's a coward but you can't ban him from the game and not ban stallworth or Vick.

Donte stallworth killed someone via vehicular manslaughter btw. Which idk would you guys consider that worse or just as bad as what rice did?

Worse by far, hitting a woman is pretty much as far as a man can sink; but causing a death is always going to be worse. Recently i watched a documentary called There's Something Wrong With Aunt Diane, which really drove (no pun intended) the dangers of drunk driving home for me. I'm sure that most here are aware of this since it seems like there's alot of members from NY/NJ, but here's the wiki page of the incident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Taconic_State_Parkway_crash

Here's the doc if anyones interested, but you'll end up infuiated at the husbands denial. While i completely understand denial in this case, the dad says more than once that he didn't want his son who was the only survivor of this horrific car crash, and he's now suing his wifes (who caused the crash) brother who lost 3 children because he was the owner of the vehicle .

Don't forget the Commish is employed by the owners for the tidy sum of $30 mil. He main job is to make money for the NFL. Nothing more needs to be said.

I think this is it for Goodell.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ap-newsbreak-source-rice-video-nfl-25414917

latest news this morning, police official sent nfl full video 5 months ago, nfl acknowledged receiving it via voice mail, goodell saw the video of the attack, hes lying.

Jerry Jones and Sex Assault Allegation:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/us-jerry-jones-sex-assault-allegation/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

We're a full game into the season and all anyone is talking about is domestic abuse and sexual allegations.

Speaks volumes about the league .

And last year around this time, it was the Incognito-Martin bullying scandal. The year before (I think) was Bountygate. It's always something. The NFL has turned into quite a thug league under Goodell.

Actually I think Tagliabue had let it get out of control and Goodell was supposed to be the harsh enforcer, his reaction to Bountygate was over the top.

Anyway it takes a real man to knock a woman completely unconscious.

Right...

I'm sure there's a history there and serious anger issues with Rice.

He's one of the physically strongest men at the running back I've seen. For any of these guys to act like that borders on attempted homicide.

Hey...I'm sure Ray Rice is very embarrassed over this incident..after all,it took him two punches to bring her down.

The NFL is a perfect soap opera for men. Good thing nobody noticed that The Bills embarrassed my Bears last Sunday...

Wait, the Bears played last week?

Well, I am so disappointed in my Steelers. Except for Bell, the team looked more distracted than the Ravens were expected to be. For the first time I am concerned about Tomlin's coaching. Well, we'll see how they do against the Panthers in 10 days; that performance will tell us alot about the Steelers season.

I think we have been seeing Tomlin's coaching/drafting for the last few years. Most expect another 8-8 season from him. His drafting of very questionable talent/character (ie. Adams, Rainy, T'amatu, etc..) is and has been on display for years now, not to mention all the off-the-field bs that NEVER occurred prior to his arrival. He initially rode the coat tails of Cowher and his assts...but the current act is running thin...like you say, we shall see.

Now Adrian Peterson has been indicted on child abuse charges. The NFL's Week from Hell continues. Never has the league had such a black eye after Week 1.

goombah, is it not well deserved?

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse/

Warning, some pictures of the abuse is in the link. And, I believe it is official now that it is a 4 year old that he used a switch on.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

More details with the link above. This is just disgusting.

This is obviously a touchy subject but this just seems ridiculous. Child abuse, really?? Fucking joke.

It is when you leave cuts (scabbing) and welts all over the body. It passed the line of discipline. And, It's a four year old. Who would use a switch on a freaking four year old?

Did you see the cuts on the poor kid?

No I did not. I just read the article and maybe rushed my judgement. I've had a couple beers and I don't wanna say anything too stupid/regretful. I mean, I caught throwing rocks at cars 30 years ago when I was a kid. My mother slapped me and kicked me once each. I'll tell you what, I've NEVER thrown anything at a anything since. I learned my lesson. I apologize if I've offended anyone.

The NFL Network is running a Football Life episode about Joe Greene. I knew Joe at North Texas State University and watched him play for the Mean Green. Just like alot of people, I recognized that he was an exceptional player. One of my friends at the College had a father who was connected to the Steelers. That helped direct Joe to the Steelers.

As one of the best defensive linemen ever who terrorized quarterbacks during his 13 year HOF career, he played at 275 lbs which in today's NFL is not all that much heavier than a linebacker. What a player!

I just saw this episode, oli. Very good one... whodathunk he played half of his stellar career with a bum left arm due to nerve damage? Great story regarding the origin of the iconic Coke commercial.

As great as mean joe Greene was, nobody compares to Reggie White. The greatest defensive lineman in the history of the game as far as I'm concerned.

A very long line formed Friday morning at the Baltimore Ravens' M&T Bank Stadium for the Ray Rice jersey exchange, the organization's two-day event allowing fans who purchased the disgraced former running back's jersey to replace it with another player's digits.

A line began to form in advance of the 8 a.m. start time Friday. Transactions will be handled until 3 p.m. each day, or until every official Ray Rice NFL jersey on Earth gets eradicated.

My interest in professional sports has been waning. Among the reasons: The Thug-nature of teams, the excessive amount and time of commercials, the multiple replays of almost every play, the referee reviews, the "ground caused the fumble" (what caused the player to hit the ground?), the slow-motion analysis, and many more. The excitement of the game is lost. It has now become a scientific, hi-tech presentation of a game that should be played in real-time with real people. The hybrid techno-game has lost its appeal for me.

For me, it's the over saturation of the product -- moving the draft to May, for instance.

Then there's Thursday Night Football. More often than not, it's a mediocre game with both teams coming on four days rest. Last night's Falcons/Buccaneers debacle epitomizes this.

Detroit Lions LB Injures Himself While Celebrating SEP 21, 3:25 PM

Lions linebacker Stephen Tulloch left Sunday's game against the Packers in the first quarter after injuring his leg while doing the "Discount Double Check" celebration after sacking quarterback Aaron Rodgers. On Monday, Detroit put Tulloch, who had 93 tackles and two sacks in 2013, on injured reserve with a torn ACL, meaning he'll miss the remainder of the season.

Can't ANYONE just play football anymore?

No one may ever approach the stupidity of Gus Frerotte, who injured his neck head-butting an end zone wall.

James Harrison is returning to my Steelers. I can't wait to see what he's got left.

Roger Goodell's greed has oversaturated the NFL. The first rule of show business, of which the NFL certainly qualifies, is to leave the audience wanting more. How can you do that when the NFL is on Monday night, Thursday night, Sunday afternoon, Sunday evening, and then Saturdays at season's end? Throw in the ridiculous London games, the draft being dragged out for days, the combine, and then the 24/7 NFL Police Blotter...

There's too much of a good thing. Throw in some of these ridiculous rule changes to significantly favor the offense and it all adds up to more and more fans getting turned off. It wasn't broken before, so I'm not sure why Goodell has felt the need to tinker with it so much.

And if Goodell gets his way, the season will be extended to 18 games and culminate in a President's Day Weekend Super Bowl. And by sheer coincidence (cough), that's one of the busiest weekends of the year in Las Vegas .

Back on track with week 3: Gino Smith sucks. He might be a little bit better than Mark Sanchez. But Sanchez has a shot to go deep into the playoffs as a backup this year. And he's better off.

IMHO, the players union will not approve an 18 game season. Goodell's troubles in the past few years (Bountygate, Rice, marijuana, Peterson, and other dom violence players) will bite him here. Players don't want more opportunities for injury. Plus, isn't the NBA All-Star Weekend always around President's Day? I can't see the NBA standing idly by if the NFL tries to move in.

I hope you're right, Goom. But like I said, it's IF Goodell gets his way. And there's little doubt that that's what he wants.

I love football fellas. I'm wondering if any of you think he should lose his job over all this domestic violence? It's been one hell of a bad couple weeks for the NFL

I am not really into American football anymore. But losing your job over domestic violence? Does that happen in any other real World jobs?

There is another incident that just happened in soccer. The female US national team soccer keeper Hope Solo goes home I guess she is a little high. Has a fight with her 17 year old brother. It gets crazy out of hand. She is a big girl cute too

She starts to beat up her brother they are fighting now you know with fists. He freaks and hits her in her head with a wooden stick. Breaks it over her head punches her and finally point a bb gun at her. Mother try's to intervene hope raps her in the mouth.

Those idiots call the cops. Cops come they only arrest hope but not her brother. This was NYC they would have arrested them both.

Now the liberal pussies wants to ban her from playing soccer for the national team.

I remember once my daughter the communist that lives in Berlin now had a fight with her younger brother. It got a little out of hand. I watched the fight for a while my youngest son was much bigger then her. But I taught her how to fight to win. When I saw she was getting close to putting him to sleep I stopped it. My youngest son now is a black belt in BJJ and teaches and fights in tournaments all over the world

Maybe the liberal pussies should take away their jobs so they could not work any more?

I think you're missing the bigger picture about what the Rice case represents. Forget for a minute that he's an NFL player and let's say his name is John Smith, who is just an ordinary citizen. And he is videotaped doing exactly what Ray Rice does by knocking a woman unconscious. Is there any doubt the guy is arrested? No. Since he's not in the NFL and making millions, the guy sits in jail because he can't post bond (most likely) for a few weeks if not until trial. What employer is not going to fire the guy - maybe not for the DV itself but for missing work? I would say 99% of legitimate employers would fire this guy after missing 3-5 days, particularly if there was no timetable for his return to work.

How much do you think bond is for this. If it is a state that allows bail bondsmen anyone can afford to get out. Bond is not to keep you from doing the crime again. It's to get you to appear in court.

football has come a long ways since I was kid, my dad took me to my first nfl game when I was 8. it was 75cts to get in. had a seat so close you could hear the players, and when it was over you could walk on the field and talk to them, of course this was the LA rams in 1951, it was football then. the nfl was close to the fans in those days. it wasn't a corporate giant then. and parking was free, nowadays it cost you 30 bucks to park, 100 bucks for one to get in, 12 bucks for a beer, and the players act like their gods, pee on todays nfl.

I played football when I was a kid. First we played football on the street no equipment loved playing in the snow. I started playing football before I started to play soccer.

I loved football because I was good at tackling people. Plus I could give the like to hurt people side of my personality free reign.

I had no money to buy equipment then I found a place mauer's house of sports in the Bronx. Equipment was cheap and he always gave you free stuff I remember him looking like Mickey Mantle.

Then the kids from different blocks played each other. I played with the Hun 9 street guy. We played against the Hun 8 street guys they all grew up to be future gangsters. A Lot of them were in the Red Wings youth gang.

We played a lot they were older then us. When they played other block they wanted me to play with them.

Then they played a Hun 16 mets some people there. My friend John some how got hooked up with them just playing football.

He got me to play for them organized football in the BUA league. The coach was a guy named Ponzo the brother of Johnny delightful who own delightful's had a fight with ponzo punched him in the face for some reason.

Then me and John played for a team in the Bronx Black Knights. Like those guys
Then played for the Mt. Vernon bears they were the best team in the league. They I wanted me after we played against them and I did a job on one f their players. I fucked him all up. I might have even stabbed him with a pen knife in a pile up

Then after went to Orlando Florida to play for the Orlando panthers continental foot ball league. Adult league was like a farm league for former and future NFL players. Man they were a dirty team that is what I liked about them.

Even stole their equipment.

Man Orlando was red neck back then. Go in a bar they find out I was from NYC everyone wanted to fight. I would oblige them because I loved to fight.

But when you start to walk around from games and fights totally black and blue it did get to be a pain in the ass.

When I was a kid never went to a pro game because I did not have a pot to piss in. But I would cut out football picture that they printed in the daily news and made scrap books out of those pictures.

Marycas I agree with you completely. Having said that, my wife just informed me that she got that football ticket package on direct TV so that now we can watch every game !!! I used to be a raving lonatick over football and go to as many games as possible but like Marycas, my interest is waning. Wish they could eliminate the thugs and the braided hair which often covers the players name. And yes- the NFL gas gotten way too greedy

What I dont like about pro football and for that matter college and HS.

Coach tries to think for the team. Quarterback can call his own plays not even audibles anymore. Like their coaches are so much smarter then them.

I was watching a game being played at my local field. I see a ton of space before the play starts that can be attacked if the quarterback saw it and if the coach would let him audible at the line of scrimmage.

Now I am talking with a few of those kids fathers. I pointing that space out to them. I told them to bad they don't let your kids think for themselves.

It used to be a receiver would tell a quarterback he can eat his man for breakfast on a slant over the middle. The coach won't even let the kids do that anymore.

So I go to the coach he is busy like I give a shit. I started to point the exposed space out to him. I told him work with them in practice on calling audibles. Then I left I wonder if the jerk off even heard what I was saying.

Those kids would have more fun playing soccer.

Just wondering...did you ever play HS or college football?

Read higher up on the thread and you will see.

Ok, nice story

Its official as a bills fan. EJ Manuel sucks bust y did we draft him 15th overall last yr guy over thriws everybody isnt accurate afraid to get hit ej cost us dame today. Start Orton nxt wk

I too was a Bills fan and back in the old days- 60's went to every game. Now living in the south don't get to see many of their games but saw them today and they sucked- mostly the QB

Well, I'm embarrassed by my Steelers loss to Tampa Bay. Madonne! The penalties for such stupid behavior.

QB Emanuel (Buffalo Bills now benched. Let's see what they can do now

Well, the Cowboys are 5-1 and beat Seattle. Whoda thunk it!

On the other hand, my Steelers are over as are the SB glory days.

It was very satisfying watching the Browns kick the snot out of the Steelers yesterday. Time will tell if the Browns are starting to turn things around in Year #15 of their rebuilding program. I'm not holding my breath.

As a big Johnny Football fan im worried wit hoyer playin good when do u think johnny gets da start I dont c him backin up hoyer for 2 to 3 yrs.. Wat do u guys think still early

Enjoy Goom. Now just kick some Bengal ass and you can breath.

well, im not happy today. my seahawks got whupped. and whupped good, 2 of the hawks tds came from dallas turn overs. both our offence and defence sucked. I hope dallas never wins another game. they had a few lucky, just downright lucky plays go there way. and the refs favored them. if we ever play them again we will trounce them big time.

From time to time the Steelers let the Browns win in order to create the illusion that the Brown's are competitive.

Manziel only sees the field if Hoyer gets hurt. This offseason will be interesting since Hoyer's contract is up. If he remains healthy and productive, Cleveland will re-sign him. I could see Manziel traded if that happens. Otherwise Manziel has a 4 year deal and will play next year if Hoyer departs.

so how far is romo going to lead the cowboys? they will crash and burn about the halfway mark, romo isn't a qb with the ability to get them very far in the post season. they have the worst gm in the nfl. the owner jerry jones. he is their downfall.

I can't see Romo staying healthy at his age with his history of back problems. Their backup is Brandon Weeden. Is any other info required?

I'll give Jerry Jones a little credit. For the most part, he has been an abysmal GM. But he did pass on Manziel, which I never thought would happen. And his o-line has three #1 draft picks on it. So after 20+ years since he forced Jimmy Johnson out, Jerry just might be learning a lesson on how to build a team.

goombah, well the dallas fans have certainly been patient. as for passing on manziel, I think that was a great move, he could be a big bust. they did look good vs the seahawks. but, romo has a history of caving under pressure. I think their going to die in the stretch.

I agree about Dallas fans Binnie Coll. They have endured mediocrity for about 15 years. Romo has not stood up well in big December games. I remember the 'Boys having the #1 seed in 2009 and having their doors blown off by Minnesota. We'll see what happens this year; maybe they are the surprise team of the NFL.

Sry to rant about Johnny Football still no matter wat u think about him. I tjink he got da shit end of the stick im starting to think mayb he should of waited another yr before he enter the draft.. With the browns schedule they could hav a winning season if they resign hoyer it wont be fair to Manziel to sit anothet season or 2 Im afraid Manziel is stuck there and in 2 to 3 yrs teams just look in the draft and mayb johnny doest evrr get his chance if they resign hoyer do u c teams like my bills mayb texans or whomever trying to make a move for him.. Or do u think he might get stuck in cleveland for now..

I felt it was exciting the night we drafted Manziel. But I don't feel the least bit sorry for him. Nobody forced him to leave college early. And while he's done nothing illegal like Ray Rice et. al., Manziel hasn't endeared himself to his teammates and coaches with his antics. Being repeatedly photographed partying and using rolled up dollar bills doesn't go over well for a blue-collar fanfase. And worse yet, this was time that Hoyer was using to learn the new offense and Manziel had the same opportunity. But Manziel squandered it. And I think more than anything, his ego is a bit bruised. He was THE big fish in college. Now he's a 2nd stringer holding a clipboard.

Is this my way of saying Manziel can't play in this league? No. But he's going to have to wait. Whether it's with Cleveland will remain to be seen. If Hoyer stays healthy and maintains the same level of consistency, Manziel could have an Aaron Rodgers type of wait before being Cleveland's starter. In the NFL, players get hurt all the time so I think a 2-3 year wait is unlikely. Plus I don't see Manziel sitting by quietly if he isn't playing.

I could see Manziel succeeding in a Chip Kelly type of offense. But he needs to put time in the film room and in learning to be an NFL QB. He's no longer one of the fastest players on the field. NFL defenses are infinitely more complex than in the NCAA.

Manziel will get his chance at some point. A guy like him needs to understand it ain't all about him especially at his age. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, and Brees all had to wait their turn before getting the starting job.

Now guys like Luck, Manning, Cam Newton, and Alex Smith were immediately thrusted into the spotlight because their teams at the time needed it. But Manziel was so heavily followed and touted on during college I think him taking the backseat for awhile isn't necessarily a bad thing. He was an arrogant douche at A&M so maybe he'll mellow out

That is the biggest plus side to all of this, if he matures and with that talent he could do a lot in this league. One thing for sure though, I rather have him on my team then say Jameis Winston.

Seems like college football players are more trouble than their worth these days. The amount of allegations surrounding that guy especially would be enough to downgrade his draft status significantly

well, concerning manziel, lets face it, hes no Andrew luck, cam newton,russel Wilson. kaepernick, when did these guys sit on the bench. these 4 qbs have talent. what manziel did in college means squat. if he had the tools he would be leading that team right now. write him off.

The NFL Players' Union was smart to put rookie salary caps to better control the payscale. That prevents knuckleheads from killing a team's salary cap. Ryan Leaf & Lawrence Phillips were two highly paid draftees who did absolutely nothing on the field to warrant their salaries. Now it's less risky from a financial perspective for a team to take a flyer on a player who was troublesome in college. Not that Manziel was, but certainly some team will take Jameis Winston and all of his antics next year. Buyer beware.

They most likely will, but not till the 2nd round or later.

I bet the Rams are kicking themselves for that deal they gave Sam Bradford. No rookie should get that kind of money. Thing is Bradford was doing decent before he got hurt last year. Now it looks like he'll never get that knee patched.

My beef with major college athletes this days is that most think they're untouchable because they play fuckin football or whatever other sport. They behave horribly and don't care for the academic side of college that really leads to success. Because let's face it, how many people in a million actually make it in the NFL? Very few

Yeah, like when the Giants let the Eagles win 27-0.

Exactly. However, some teams are better at it than others.

Agreed Oli, but I think that the Steelers are going to create another illusion this coming Monday with the Texans

They got their asses handed to them.

Last week a member of the crowd pointed a laser into the eyes of the Buffalo Bills QB as well as the kicker. He has been caught and banned from any NFL activity and I believe arrested as well. I hope he gets some jail time to discourage others from this practice

Todays Packers/Panthers game ought to be a good one. I am conflicted as am a fan of both teams

well my seahawks had better get to getting, its getting so hard for teams make back to back super bowl appearances. I just hope the cowboys self-destruct. one word for the cowboy fans. don't trust ROMO! what if the giants beat the cowboys, jerry jones can kiss my grits.

Browns game sucked yesterday.

How come?..Because they LOST.

giants played well, but, coulnt stop DeMarco murray, or dez Bryant. take those guys out of the lineup and see how great romo is. im still waiting for romo to self- destruct its coming. seahawks have some serious problem with defense. I hope they get it together.

I can't say I was surprised. This has been happening for 15 years.

Next Sun Washington plays Dallas. Colt McCoy starts for Wash. I would love to see Romo knocked out of the game so that Brandon Weeden can replace Romo. A battle of two of the many inept ex-Browns QB's.

I would love to see DeMarco murray held to say, 25 yards all game. dez Bryant held to maybe 50 yards, no tds, romo intercepted 5 times. why cant defences adjust to the cowboys, you know whos going to get the ball. you have to put a pass rush on romo, so he will revert back to his old self.

Didn't know Weed be gone went to Dallas.

Packers blew em out of the water. I was fuckin pissed. I don't know what's up with Carolina's D this year but it's godawful. The only reason they're in first place right now is because the rest of their division is just as pathetic

Unbelievable comeback by the Lions this morning. Even if they did catch a break with the delay of game on the final second of the game (the first field goal would have been wide right).

seahawks don't win today vs Carolina, hells going to be raised in seattle.

How 'bout them Steelers!

the steelers game was a shocker, a real shocker. the colts got some work to do on defense.

would never believe the colts would give up that many points.

Those ugly ass uniforms have got to go.

Mignon, after putting up 51 points, you can bet, those uniforms will stay.

well I finally got to see the cowboys get beat,the skins took romo out. and beat them 20-17. the kid colt McCoy threw for 300 yards for the skins.

now jerry jones can cry.

Maybe the Giants have a chance...?

Well, I agree with you there. I HATE Jerry Jones.

Buy why ?

Same old Jets.

whats the matter with the jets? they are no where near the team they were just a few of years ago.

the cowboys got beat again at home. it looks like the balloon


has busted, wonderful. I hope they lose every game they play the rest of the year.

I think it was mainly because Romo was out. I think he's overrated but he's certainly better than Brandon Weeden.

Hey PB who would take right now? Geno Smith or Kellen 'sucks lemons' Clemens?

well, romo's coming back when they play in London. DeMarco murray is great, and they have two of the best recievers in football, dez Bryant, and witten. I just hope thet get beat.

No one more than me wants the Cowboys to fail. Only team I hate more than them is the Patriots

well, the cowboys may collapse, which would make us both happy. the patriots had a great game today beating manning.

but, they too may fall later on in the second half. brady's
getting older, he can't last forever, and they got nobody to replace him.

Oh Big Ben! ... what now for an encore?

oli- those steelers seem to get better each week.

Can't wait for Thursday Night Football Battle of Ohio.

And tonight Go Giants!

Miami made a statement game yesterday against the Chargers. Give rise to the Fins!!!

lalou, yeah, I thought san diego was better than that.

guess not.

Yeah, Go away. I've been a Giants fan since the 50's. Frank Gifford was my hero. I know you can't have a winner every year, but the Giant's stink. Injuries aside, they just look lost and listless. The "West Coast" offense looks like last year's Kevin Gilbride's 3-Play Offense. The Perry Fewell is what his name says - play calling? Few-well. Time for Coughlin and company to retire or retreat. The Giants have missed the playoffs 5 of 6 years. And that one year was the 9-7 Superbowl winners.

When was the last time the Giants drafted a super star players? How about Lawrence Taylor....maybe Michael Strahan. Eli is good, not great. In the past 30 years have they drafted an elite wide-receiver? running back?

I don't know if I am going to be able to sit through a whole NYJets or Giants game for the rest of this year...What the hell is going on with these two teams?

Nope. You know what else? We've won four Super Bowls in that time frame.

I get your frustration, though. You're not much older than I am, MC. We're spoiled, is all .

Just proves that you don't need to draft an elite RB or WR to win it all. I wouldn't call Phil Simms, Eli Manning, nor Hostetler elite. But they all won rings as Giants QBs. And that's the most important position in football, perhaps in all of sports.

And LT was one of the most dominant defensive players to ever don a uniform. So I don't feel bad for the Giants not landing an elite RB or wideout in the draft.

On a separate note, I saw a great Tweet within the past week. It said something about how the Jets are terrible, but not Rich Kotite terrible.

How about the Browns trading Manziel to the Jets for their #1 last year?

EDIT: Uh, that should be "next" year

He'd fit right in at the Hofstra freakshow next summer, that's for sure .

Amani Toomer and Hakeem Nicks were pretty decent wideouts. Jeremy Shockey was a good tight end despite his attitude. But as far as a true number one receiver you guys are right.

No doubt the Giants won Super Bowls without elite players at the "skill" positions. They did it with excellent offensive and defensive lines, and that is too often overlooked. This year they have neither. So with mediocre talent and NO elite players.....8-8 would be a good year.

I would like to see them have a receiver the caliber of Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Michael Irvin, or a running back like OJ Simpson, Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton. They have had some good players; yes-Amani Toomer and Jeremy Shockey or go back to Mark Bavaro and running backs, Joe Morris, Tiki Barber. Its seems their star players are the punters Sean Landeta, Jeff Feagles.

mary cas, iv'e been reading your posts and you sure know your giants. but, I see you're disappointed in them. any chance of making a seattle seahawks fan out of you?


super bowl champions 2014

Hey the giants had great wide receivers like Lionel Emanuel, Phil Mconkey, Dave megget and the touchdown maker Stephen baker!

Go GMEN

Lawrence. Of. The. Meadowlands

Bavaro was my favorite growing up. Good ole 89.

Funny story. The password to get into my sons school is 7055

I remembered by correlating it to Leonard Marshall and Gary Reasons.

I had a 1986 and 1990 program growing up and I memorized everyone's number.

Not a program. One of the "year book" things. I forget what their called. Don't care enough to google it right now but I think you get the picture.

Blasphemy! Too many years invested in the Giants. When I was 8 years old I had a #16 jersey (not a Giant jersey) and I WAS FRANK GIFFORD.

A little Seahawk story.
My cousin grew up in Fairlawn NJ and played QB for St. Lukes in Hohokus, which closed and he then went to St. Mary's in Rutherford, and he was a Joe Namath fan. He went to Montana State U and played QB there, married a girl from Spokane, Wash area and became a teacher out there. As a part time job, he was a sideline ballboy for the Seahawks (late 70s, early 80s). When they were on TV we would scour the sidelines to catch a glimpse of him throwing in a ball to the refs. But the cool thing was...he used to throw passes to Steve Largent in warm-ups.

great story, dave krieg was qb then I believe. Largent is a legend in seattle. and, your cousin was there when chuck knox was coaching , I believe.

well, the hawks have their problems, and your giants come to seattle sunday. poor giants!

Giants 60, Seattle 10.

now, mary, whatever you are smoking may take you to magical dimensions, however, come sunday the final score,

will..... awaken you from wandering around in your dreams.

I know you miss frank Gifford. but, sorrrrrrrrrrry.
hawks 47 n.y. 3 poor giants!

But win or lose, at least the Giants get to come home to the New York Metro Area. The Seahawks are still stuck in Washington State. Because as the whole world knows, if the United States needed an enema, they'd stick it in the Pacific Northwest.

But to be fair I do like the Seahawks. Love him or hate him, Pete Carroll's a winner.

that's a nice thing to say. I like where I live up in the woods it's peaceful, and quiet, I can look out my window and see five little snowy topped mountains on a sunlit day. and I go down to a little creek checking to see if there are any little

gold specks from the mountain behind, thank you for your kind words about the pacific northwest, but, keep the enema.

I can't wait to see the Giant game today. No offense Binnie but I hope they clobber your Seattle Seahawks. They NEED this win BADLY!!!

A.G. sorry, hon. but the giants got about as much chance against my hawks as you would have if.............

you could walk up on a rainbow!

No need to apologize. I know the Giants are not looking too hot this season. We got to see what happens. I think it will be a great game not a one-sided game like you say cuz the GIANTS want this WIN badly.

I don't walk on rainbows I only find the pot of gold at the end of them...

How the hell did the JETS beat the Steelers? When I saw that Pitt was only a 4.5 point favorite I had a feeling it'd be a close game.

During their SB years, my Steelers beat the teams they were supposed to beat. But, over the past few years they've been losing to those teams. How does Ben go from 12 touchdowns over two games to just one?

oli, the defense knows what hes going to do now. and they adjust to his offense. if you put the heat on him [ pass rushers ] he will come undone.

Bills had that game too classic buffalo

Sorry to upset any of my Chicago pals in here....but the Bears are really shit this year.......

....at least the G-men had the lead at the half AG, looks like a dismal year for us fans. One bright light - Odell Beckham. He could be the big star the Giants have been missing.

Binnie, good luck to the S-hawks. That Lynch is a beast and Wilson has all round talent.

yogi. that is a very old, and proud franchise, you can rest assured their are going to be major changes in Chicago. if you are a fan, take heart you can only get better.

I love my Bears and am the first to admit that they were embarrassed by the Packers last night. My grandfather worked for the Chicago Park District for years. His office was in Soldier Field so my heart is sick with this year's team. For those who don't know... The Bears or the Halas/McCaskey family does not own Soldier Field. It is a Chicago Park District facility. In fact, more Bears games have been played in Wrigley Field than any other venue.
I'm going to go to my happy place now. Ditka, Ditka, Sausage, Sausage...

mark, yeah, man you had great teams. im a lot older than you, and, I used to go to the L.A. coliseum and see them when they came to town, they have a magnificent history.

mark, you should have seen one of the great bear running backs of all time , he was as good as walter peyton.

gale sayers.

Heads are going to roll in the Bears organization, Mark. No other way to say it. It'll start about an hour after the season ends. Guaranteed.

Sayers was magnificent. If only his injuries never got the better of him, no telling what kind of numbers he would have ended up with. What can you say about Sweetness... best ever.

after last night, its' liable to be quicker than that.

Agreed, pb. The organization has NEVER fired a coach mid season. There has got to be a change because Trestman has lost the locker room - believe it. No matter how many reports say he hasn't, he has... period.

What pisses me off is that I was really happy with the hiring of Trestman, and thought it would be a safer hire than Bruce Arians.

The combination of Trestman, Cutler, and Tucker is not working at all. I give up on all three.

When the NFL first became popular in the UK back in the '80's the Bears and the Dolphins were the 2 teams everybody seemed to like. How times change.....

I wished I saw those mid 80's Bears, and yeah the Dolphin had one of the best QBs in the game. To bad they never won a Super Bowl.

Firing a coach mid-season is a rarity all over the NFL. It's not baseball where if you fire a manager 70 games into the season you can still turn around and make the playoffs.

When you're 2 and 8, you're almost better off if you keep losing to set yourself up for the draft. They'll never admit that, but you know how that goes .

There are tons of Bears fans completely irate with being a laughing stock nationally after that Packers game. Understand that two weeks ago we were cremated by Brady and the Patriots. Young, old, casual and especially devoted meatball fans like me are all angry. I thought Trestman was a good hire initially but I always thought Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden would have been a great fit for my Beloved!

I hear you, Mark. You guys are going on thirty years without winning a Super Bowl. That's a long stretch. But it could be worse. They could be the Jets .

At least you guys got Big Blue as an alternative!

Don't include me in that mess. The Jets can't lose enough in my book. Although I briefly rooted for them when Parcells was there. If they could have held on against Elway in that AFC Championship (1999??), they would have smoked the Falcons in that Super Bowl. Dirty birds my ass .

Watching the Jet game with all the uncles and cousins is how I learned how to cuss in both English and Italian ...I don't remember them ever winning

I don't see them getting out of the booth to coach again. I thought they would years ago, but it has been years for both of them now. They are making a lot of money from where they are, and more time to be with their families.

Also, I wonder if Trestman will just leave the job due to his daughter being targeted with rape threats.

That's terrible. When fans take things that far they're past the point of just wanting to win a football game. They're sick. They should be tracked down and prosecuted, even if it was "all talk."

That's how I feel as well. It's just a game, and they take it this freaking far. Making his family's life a living hell because his team doesn't win games?

Honestly, I won't be surprised if other coaches stay the hell away from the Bears job because of these certain 'fans'.

Couldn't agree more, some times people need to realize that it's just a game. Last year a dog was attacked by Rangers fans here for wearing a Celtic top, obviously nothing close to rape threats but it still makes my blood boil . I'm as big of a Celtic fan as anyone, but if this was Celtic fans attacking a dog with a Rangers top on i'd be just as clear on calling these people absolute scummy lowlifes.

http://deadspin.com/horrible-people-beat-up-a-dog-for-wearing-the-wrong-soc-1295790486

Reminds of Bryan Stow who was attacked by two Dodger fans for wearing a Giants jersey three years back, and almost killed him.

Happens all of the time here with both teams, there's certain parts of Glasgow that wearing anything Celtic or vice-versa is a death wish. I read something on a Forum a few months back, about a Yankees fan being attacked in a NYC bar for wearing a Brooklyn Dodgers hat because the attackers thought it was a Boston Red Sox hat. It was only a personal anecdote on a forum though so it could've been bs.

The Old Firm, or Celtic-Rangers rivalry is that volatile that Vice News did a Documentary on it. The link is below if anyone is interested, but first i'd like to say that i don't consider these morons Celtic fans and despite my hatred for Rangers, i don't consider them true Rangers fans. Also sorry for hijacking this thread.

Right, as if the dog chose to put that jersey on. Our dog growing up used to get pissed when you put a collar on him, much less a jersey.

Regardless of the sport, I think the crazies become more pronounced as the rivalry intensifies. But social media has aggravated the problem, since people can take potshots at someone else from a relatively safe distance. Thirty years ago, a coach's daughter could live in relative anonymity and at worst get some phone calls, which could be easily fixed with a number change/unlisted number.

Semi-related story - When I lived in Denver in the mid-90s, I had a friend who was from Michigan and was a Detroit Red Wings fan. In 1997, the Red Wings-Avalanche rivalry was one of the ugliest and nastiest rivalries in all of professional sports. We went to Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Conference Finals in Denver, and he's wearing a Wings jersey. Somehow we made it through the parking lot alive. He's in the bathroom when the power goes out at McNichols, and four Avalanche fans pissed on him. Fortunately, Colorado won that game, so we made it back to the car in relative peace.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/nfl-fan-violence/

I miss the sports commentator Al Michaels...is he still around? These guys are putting me to sleep.

Al Michaels does Sunday Night Football.

With Chris Collinsworth as his partner. Michaels is very good and all in all one of the best.

I'm so glad Al Michaels is still around. He was always my fave...had a crush on him since I was a teenie bopper (sigh) John Madden was always scribbling all over the screen while Al being very cool would just let him go off on his tangents. Al is one COOL DUDE.

So is anyone going to see a game live this year? What team?

Only way we are going to see the Bears is if I win one of the dozen contests I always enter every year for free tickets! Lol.

You never know, it may be your LUCKY year!

I hope so! Bears tickets range from $60 each to $1,100 each depending where you sit. My living room will be much warmer than Soldied Field tomorrow!

Mark, is that more expensive than seeing the Bulls, Blackhawks, Sox, and Cubs?

Saw a Bulls game a couple of years ago and we were about 25 rows from behind the basket where the press sits. Those tickets were $125... plus parking pass was another $25.

Blackhawks standing room only start around $80 and seats come to and near the glass can go up to $300 - $700 each.

well, the seahawks went down again. lot of disappointed fans up here today. they are not the team they were last year.

I have to say that the 3 best teams on the nfl today are Arizona, green bay, and the patriots. [ I left out the crumbs of dallas.] I hope they lose every one of the games they have remaining.

If you haven't seen it yet, look up the catch made by Odell Beckham of the Giants. Could go down in history as the most amazing catch of all time.

Re: the Giants. I shut the game off after the first series in the 3rd quarter. The Giants were up 21-10, but I could tell they were going to lose. They went into the infamous prevent defense and don't fumble offense. They lost 31-28. Time to clean out the coaches.

It was some catch indeed MC. He is a shining star, in a somewhat lousy team this year

Beckham's catch may be the best ever in professional football. I wish the Giants had won though.

Every time I think the Jets have hit bottom, it turns out that bottom has a trap door.

That's my fellow LSU alumni!!!

Come to think about it, pretty much all the former LSU WR-RBs are having up years:

Beckham-NY
Landry-MIA
Hill-CIN
Blue-HOU
Lafell-NE
Bowe-KC
Ridley-NE

I know I'm missing more just off the top of my head not including Defensive guys..

How does Rex Ryan keep his job??

Because Woody Johnson is a thickheaded eccentric. But it won't matter this time. Look for Rex to be among the first coaching casualties on Black Monday (the day after the season ends).

Idzik should go, too. Johnson better do things right this time. Hire a GM first, and then let the GM in on the hiring of the Head Coach. What happened this year was so predictable that I don't blame Jets fans for their anger.

I saw the giants - dallas game, and , it happens time, and time again. nobody can get in and tackle romo, he had more than 7 seconds to throw on one series of downs, and over 5 the next.

even the commentators were shocked as to how much time he had to throw. my god, don't the giants have any pass rush at all?

The same way Marc Trestman is still employed by the Bears... unbelievable.

Actually Bin they have a variation. Its called rush to pass.

Aw, the Cowgirls lost...at home...in front of Jerry.

MaryCas last game we had that extraordinary catch by Beckham what's in store for us this Sunday? A WIN maybe...

That would be exciting even if it is against the lowly Jags, but the G-men are almost as lowly. I guess it depends on the G-fense. No significant pass rush, unspectacular LBs and a secondary that seems to have occasional amnesia. They are running low on fewell. We can only hope A-girl.

Well, Ray Rice won his appeal. So, he may be picked up by a team not called the Ravens. Apparently, the arbitrator believes that he did not mislead the NFL

Which, by extrapolation, means that Goodell did.

he could come back, and maybe do well, can he put it all behind him? yes, I think he can, having said that, still, what he did was inexcuseable, but this is the nfl and if you play good ball, you can get away with anything.

mary, I think this loss may be the last straw for coughlin,
giants fans will demand he go. he's out of excuses, this from a football fan looking from the outside in, the giants are an old and proud franchise and this type of play is unacceptable.

look for changes after the season is over.

Well, my Steelers are driving we fans crazy by losing to the NFL's worst teams. How can you beat two of the NFL's best teams with 12 touchdowns and then lose to teams with about 10 wins between them?

Regardless of what the Steelers accomplish this season, in the upcoming draft they have to draft a slew of defensive backs.

the steelers have had so much success, no one has been in or has won as many super bowls. but, they are a mystery this year.

if I were a fan I would be scratching my head also. you had to swallow a bitter pill today.

I wonder if the NFC South will have a winner with a 7-9 record?

As in years past, Tomlin "coaches" down to his competition. this man has singlehandedly brought down the Steelers' organization. Not only in football terms, but in off the field terms....from players not showing up to meetings, to not showing up for games, to drunken driving incidents with a player trying to run over people including police, to stabbing incidents, to dui's with weed, to players tweeting crazy statements..both personal and political, to Harrison posing as a gangster with guns in both hands, claiming that "we're a black team."...I Will stop there. Tomlin must go....he is an immature coach leading immature men. I cannot believe that the Rooney family....a once proud founding family of the NFL has sunken to such lows.

OS3, I think you may have described half of the teams in the NFL.

The AFC is shaping up to be a race to the finish. What is it like 8 teams vying for the wildcard spots? Everyone has a winning record in the Steelers Division. Same with my Dolphins except for the Jets.

The AFC is very competitive this year. If the NFC South's division winner is at 6-7 wins, then the league should seriously look to tinker with its seeding. Let's suppose New Orleans wins the division at 7-9, much like Seattle a few years ago. Why should they host a Wild Card game against a team with a better record? The answer is that the worse record shouldn't host a playoff game - period.

The NFC is shaping up to be interesting too. The Cardinals are in a slide right now with the Packers ready to take over the top seed in the conference. And Seattle, who many left for dead a few weeks ago, is back among the top teams. Should be an interesting last quarter to the regular season.

You got me there...the NFL is a rapid slide down to the NBA level.

lalou... you will win tonight putting you at 7-5, with 4 games left. you have Baltimore at home, I'll say you win that one. but, then you go to new England, then you got Minnesota and the jets again at home. looks like maybe 9-7 for you.

will that be enough to get you in the playoffs?

nobody can be as low as the nba. they are off the charts.

No ones yet Mentioned JOHNNY FOOTBALL yet lol I'm just kidding me being from buffalo even I was excited when he came in. Looked impressive.. and he'll really bring the crowds out. I personally think he's much much faster then Hoyer. I hope he gets the start next week.. wat do y'all think was Johnny impressive. I hope the kids a star we shall c.

The Jets keep finding new ways to lose .

they said the same thing about Robert Griffith 3, and look where hes at. If manziel was that good he would be starting.

he will never be as good as Andrew luck, I think manziel will be a flash in the pan. he's just not that good. my opinion only.

I don't know if they have the Giants beat in that category. Tie anyway.

Your saying we will lose two of the next four games??? There is no reason we cannot go 4-0 or 3-1 down the stretch. We have three home games. Minn and NYJ are not that great.

And the Pats, that everyone in the nation bandwagons on...yea we beat them already.If NE loses this weekend and we win we are one game behind heading into that week vs NE. THEN if we pull it off in NE which will be hard but is possible, then we are going to take the division.

I want to thank you New Yorkers for having confidence in Geno and letting him air it out. Poor kid can't get a break.

That last interception was a freak play. It wasn't his fault at all. But when things are going bad, your luck turns bad too. That's just the way it goes.

The Jets have to start over from scratch. They've ruined Smith's confidence. Vick is a hundred and shot. Rex is counting the days until he can become a talking head with Jimmy Johnson and Company. Idzik doesn't have a football mind. And Woody Johnson only cares about stealing headlines from the Giants.

They're the longest running joke in football.

Pizzboy - GREAT avatar! Gotta love Ernie Pantuso.

Thanks, Goom. It was time for a change. And the Coach is an all-timer in my book .

No way the Dolphins win that division coming from a much loved bills fan.. pats vs Denver. AFC Championship again... I'd love to c the Super Bowl rematch between Denver and Seattle this time Denver on top.. look out for my bills next year..

concerning the seahawks, Denver will never beat the hawks,
they trashed them in the super bowl, and beat them again this year

manning is too old, he can't run, he was a great one.
but, he has to stay in the pocket or else he's going down.

I think san diego going to take the afc west, the broncos time may be up.

San Diego always chokes at the end there not goin take da west

[quote=jipjones]San Diego always chokes at the end there not goin take da west [/quote

yup, every year. maybe this year maybe, they will quit choking.

Agree 100%. Here is one of my favorite Coach moments:
Malaria

Pats gotta go all the way to SD, I like SD in that game.

Classic, Goom. I can't find a YouTube clip, but this line is one of my favorites:

Sam: Coach, I'm having blackouts.

Coach: It's kind of a nice break in the day, isn't it Sam?

now, lalou, are you sure y'all aren't underestimating new engand? you know you just barely got by the jets,

you play the jets at home the last game of the season I believe. the jets are going to jump up and win one yet.
they could ruin your season come dec 28.

I'm not underestimating the Pats. They have to travel cross country to SD. Statistically teams that travel cross country don't do great (hence SD travelling to Miami and getting blown out 37-0)

Miami played a MNF game in NY in the rain. It's the NFL, teams don't blow each other out due to record. If that's the case how did Denver get dominated by STL, then almost lost to Miami the next week? It's all irrelevant.

lalou, I understand what you're saying, im going for the packers to meet the seahawks for the nfc title game.

in the afc see new England and Indianapolis.

who do you see when its all said and done?

I now see Miami not in the playoffs. Typical year, typical Dolphins.

Hey PB, You guys want an experienced WR that's established? Willing to trade Wallace for Beckham HEHEHEHE

I am facing a dilemma. My Steelers can greatly benefit from a win over the Falcons and a Brown's win over the Bengals. However, I don't like Manziel and I would enjoy knowing that he lost his first start. Decisions, decisons!

With Marvin Lewis calling Manziel a midget this week, he may have lit a fire under the little guy, so the Browns could pull off an upset there...as far as the Steelers themselves...they're like the Jack Rabbit at Kennywood, up and down, so who knows.

ive said this before , and, I will say it again. manziel is going to be a big bust. you just watch, the best young qb in the league is going to be colt McCoy of Washington. and I hope Philadelphia creams the cowboys again come sunday night.

You might be right Binnie, Cleveland just seems to bring out the worst in QB's...thus why they have struggled since they came back into the league.

yeah, seems as though the more you brag up a guy, the more they don't live up to the hype, Andrew luck is sensational but, he never got the hype manziel got. nobody ever heard of Russell Wilson, but look at him.

If Johnny Succeeds it would be good for the NFL eventually The Browns will fine the right guy Y cant it be Manziel Blake Bortles hasn't showed me much in Jacksonville this year? Imagine if Manziel Made it too the SuperBowl Raitings through the Roof!! Some PPl have succeeded College to pros with the hype Elway,Kelly, Marino. Alll the young guys wanna c JOHNNNY!!! hope ur wrong Binnie

AND P.S. As a die hard Buffalo Bills FANS! I will not be watching the PACKERS VS BILLS SUNDAY.. im going to this bar that has big screens all around the Bar.. going be watching BROWNS VS BENGALS im not missing Johnnys first start!!

i'll be watching also, should be interesting. I really have my doubts about him. but, maybe im wrong.

well, big time johnny got his hello from the nfl today. he looked bad, they got beat 30 zip. maybe he will get better and be great.

but, the way I see it, hes a big washout. he does not have what it takes, I always thought that.

p.s. jipjones... your bills played great. congratulations
on a great victory over the packers!

the team I hate won, [dallas] the eagles beat themselves, lost a fumble on the opening kick-off, and their qb sanchez really sucked.,

Ya I hope this is a wake up to Manziel that this is the NFL and he better prepare harder and party less in the Offseason or itll become a joke quick hope it a Humbling experience for him to get ready next year... Yesterday wasn't all Manziel fault the D never showed up!!!!! As far as my Bills go LOVE R D Binnie!! We might of help ur Seahwaks get Homefield if they can beat the Cards

your bills are going to a team to contend with next year. you could surprise a lot of people, as far as manziel is concerned
he had better get his head right, he's not at texas a and m hero anymore, he's in the nfl.

Bears benching Jay Cutler and starting Jimmy Clausen Sunday against Lions. The train wreck continues for my beloved...

I remember when the Steelers gave Kordell Stewart a big contract which went for naught. Why in the world did the Bears do the same with Cutler?

Two words... Phil Emery. Our GM who needs to be fired. We could have franchised Cutler for this past year and then negotiated a possibility of a new contract. This whole team and franchise is in a tailspin mess right now.

well mark, the Cleveland situation is worse, they had a chance for a good season, but, decided to start the bumpkin. now, after he stunk up the joint they are going to start johnny "the bumpkin" again. at least the bears will be up again in a year or two, Cleveland staked their whole franchise on this johnny clown.

Binnie..don't give up yet, it was only his first start. I know he had a ton of hype but so did Bradshaw and Elway, etc. and they all performed poorly, but ended up pretty well...let's give him the benefit of the doubt...for awhile anyway

While I'm not saying Cutler is good, people shouldn't put all the blame on him. They need to fire at least some of the front office and coaches.

I'd say give Cutler one more chance and if they don't make the playoffs trade him.

At least we got the Hawks Mark

yeah, really. let's see what he does the rest of the year. but, the hype they gave this guy bothers me, Andrew luck never had that hype, Russell Wilson either. but, you are right, lets see what he does sunday.

That's a completely inaccurate statement. The Browns organization is not staked to Manziel. They have a 2 rookie RBs, a WR druggie who has been suspended twice in two years, and are on their 4th center of the season. Their defense has been decimated by injuries. Expecting a rookie QB to succeed in that type of scenario is idiotic.

I live in Cleveland and have followed the team for decades. Manziel was named the starter in the 15th week of the season. The head coach resisted putting Manziel in as long as possible because he knew Manziel was not ready. In fact, Manziel was not nameduntil they deemed themselves to be out of the playoff race at 7-6 in an extremely competitive division. Furthermore, Manziel was named only after Hoyer played himself out of the starting role and Hoyer's confidence had eroded to nothing.

Manziel, to a large degree, is a media hype player. He's a lightning rod and is the biggest NFL hype since Tebow. The Browns owner forced the GM to draft Manziel. Both the GM and head coach had concerns about Manziel's maturity and size. And by the way Manziel's first start went, those concerns appear to be very justified. Manziel does himself no favors with his brashness and his reported poor prepration habits.

Running QBs were supposed to be the next big thing 2-3 years ago. Now look at the running QBs like Griffin, Colin K., and Vick. They're yesterday's news. Only Russell Wilson is having success as a running QB, but it's because he can also stand in the pocket and he has one of the league's best RBs. The pocket passers like Luck, Manning, Brees, and Brady may not be all flash, but they're the only type of QB that has consistenly won in the NFL.

yes, I understand what you mean by manziel being a lighting rod, however I think we will see him be a negative influence for the team.

it's a team game, and, I don't think he knows what that means, and I share the head coaches concern about his size.

I guess we will just have to wait and see. oh, and by the way Andrew luck has some success running as does kappernicht In S.F.

Look, Manziel may turn out to be a good QB. But as far as any of us can tell right now, it doesn't seem like it he will. I think he is another Tim Tebow.

If Pettine determined that the Browns would not make the playoffs, then I wouldn't object to his inserting Manziel as QB to test his skills and provide him with experience. However, if Pettine did think that the Browns could make the playoffs and he was simply frustrated with Hoyer's on-field problems, then I disagree. Under that circumstance, Hoyer should have remained as the Brown's QB.

Nicky! Amen to that. I hear Crawford might be back this weekend.

I know our Bears are having a terrible season but I still 'em!

About time! Someone was a little too drunk at a concert and fell . You know Quenneville was pissed at him for that!

I hear that the top brass at Hawks Headquarters was VERY pissed as well. Crow is going to have to work his ass off to get out of Q's dog house.

I think the same as you, if he thought he had a shot at the playoffs, and used manziel, then he failed. of course, it remains to be seen, but, I just can't see him as a nfl QB.

and I don't think the team wanted him to start.

I agree Manziel is a "me" guy and not a team guy. He came off as a spoiled rich kid in college and has done nothing to quell that image since being drafted in May.

While Luck can move, he's still a pocket passer. And Kaepernick is a runner, but he's another mobile QB whose team is not getting better because of him. He's actually regressed this year. We'll see how he gets along with the next coach once Harbaugh leaves.

yeah, goombah, but what has harbaugh done to get fired?
hey, good game coming up, dallas vs Indianapolis, im taking indy even though dallas has the best runner, and receiver In the NFL [ think DeMarco murray, and dez Bryant] I still think romo is a choker.

Oli, I think you're being a bit tough on Johnny Football...its true that he's been hyped to death, but the guy is only one game deep into his NFL career....he may end up being a bust, but I think its too early to say one way or the other...I, personally, am cheering for him to succeed, so that Cleveland is capable of being a rival....to anyone

I never said Harbaugh deserved to be fired. He has obviously ticked off the SF front office. Not sure why they think they'll get a replacement of Harbaugh's caliber. I think he rubs someone the wrong way. He'd be a fool to go back to college and have to recruit.

well, I think he's a good coach, and you are right, if he goes back to college ball, it would not be good for him. watching s.f. vs S.D. right now, kapernicht just ran for a 90 yd td. the niners are playing great.

Well, my Steelers made it into the playoffs after 2 years out. If they beat the Bengals, they win the division and a bye. 6 sacks and no Chiefs TDs.

well, johnny football just got a good ole fashioned nfl hit. and never finished the game. went out before the first quarter ended. johnny manzeil is a washout. he can't take it in this league.

Ya Binnie im still holding up hope for Johnny but im starting to c wat u mean and the Commentators r saying hes small and fragile u kno it would be so exciting to watch him do good but I don't kno.... Seatle kicking butt again im thinking SEAHAWKS VS PATS SUPERBOWL.. im hoping its a rematch between Denver and Hawks this time Denver gets it done but the HAWKS could be a new dynasty we shall c

O ya and I forgot to Mention its now 15 years since my BUFFALO BILLS made the playoffs

[quote=jipjones]O ya and I forgot to Mention its now 15 years since my BUFFALO BILLS made the playoffs [/quote

your bills are going to have a good year next year, they are a team on the move, and next year you will see them in the playoffs. the seahawks are peaking at the right time, the cowboys looked good today, abd could be trouble, although I still think romo is a choker.

about johnny football, too much hype, don't think those defensive lineman aren't above giving him a good ole nfl ass kicking, he was and is a good college qb. but, he doesn't have the right stuff to play with the big boys. this isn't college.

your steelers could surprise you, they have been in more super bowls than any other team, and won more. I look for them to give brady and co, a real tough time of it.

The story going around here is different. Manziel didn't exit the game because of the hit he took, which at first looked like a concussion. The guys calling the game on TV said it was a hamstring injury.

Some in the Cleveland media are calling bullshit on the hamstring since it's much tougher injury to measure. They are saying that the Browns had seen enough and pulled the plug on Manziel. Either way, Manziel is on pace to play himself out of the league faster than Tebow.

The Cowboys, Seahawks, Packers, and Cardinals are NFC teams going to the playoffs. In the AFC the Steelers are going. If the Steelers make it to the Superbowl, they will be the only AFC team that will be participating in a rematch regardless of which of those NFC teams makes it to the Superbowl.

thanks for the good info goombah, its' sad about manzeil, but it's a tough league.

yes, that;s an interesting fact. and to tell you the truth I would not be surprised to see Pittsburgh in another superbowl. a second matchup with seattle would be a great game.

Thank God the Giants season is over. Big changes are needed. 1, Tom Coughlin should retire. 2, Perry Fewell, good bye. 3. The West Coast offensive, good bye. What is it? All the running plays are inside the tackles...boring...doesn't work. 4. Draft Eli's replacement. His time is past. Great wins as QB, Super Bowls, but...sorry Eli, you don't have it anymore. You and Peyton can make commercials. 5. They have the making of a great offense; Beckhnam, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Williams. Find a QB. The O-line will improve. 6. Draft D-line, LBs, CBs, S.

Eagles fans are a bunch of whiners. Hate the Cowboys, but they are "Americas Team" and they do bring in the fans.

your post is right on about the giants, but coughlin will stay, and if they took your advise about the rest of it they would improve, good analysis.

I hate the cowboys with a passion, its not romo that is making that team go. its DeMarco murray, and dez Bryant, I still think romo is a choker.

I think the Bears would gladly take Eli . Actually, the Bears probably would take anybody as QB at this point.

Got yourself two LSU WRs on that list, so the foundation is there

Would you Giants entertain the idea of taking Mike Wallace in Miami in exchange for Beckham? He's a seasoned WR

Bears fire Trestman. Not a surprise, nice guy but wasn't ready for the NFL.

Here we go Steelers, here we go!

The GM and OC was also fired. They already hired somebody to help them find a new GM/HC (Ernie Accorsi).

Mentioning the Giants, they still have their head coach which is really surprising.

Romo is a choker ? The guy came back from a mid-season broken back to lead the Cowboys to a 12-4 season and a Divisional Title, while leading or close to leading the league in most QB Efficiency Ratings. The fact is he was one of the best three in the league this season alongside, Aaron Rodgers and J.J Watt. No doubt he has a great running game to back him up, but when you look at the best QB other than him Rodgers' Packers are possibly the most stacked in the league. I believe the Cowboys will beat the Lions then bow out against the Seahawks but this doesn't = Romo - choker, the NFC is about as stacked as the WC in the NBA is this season.

I'd like the Broncos to take it this year mainly because a player of Mannings calibre deserves more than one title and time is clearly running out, but i can't see past the Packers or Seahawks winning.

Bell is out...here we go Ravens.

They would be certifiably deemed NUTZ! Giants need a few defensive players and they can be considered a serious contender.

Well, my Steelers didn't make it. They reverted to making many errors and getting penalized. I guess that without L'eveon Bell that was to be expected.

Baltimore had a good game plan going. And you're right about Bell. Without a balanced attack, Pittsburgh had a more difficult time. But how bout that Ravens D? Never allowed more than 4.0 yards a carry in 19 seasons in the league. No signs of slowing down without Ray Lewis or Ed Reed. In my opinion the only team who might have a shot at beating Brady is the Ravens. Not even Denver comes close

[quote=rockstar_man45]Baltimore had a good game plan going. And you're right about Bell. Without a balanced attack, Pittsburgh had a more difficult time. But how bout that Ravens D? Never allowed more than 4.0 yards a carry in 19 seasons in the league. No signs of slowing down without Ray Lewis or Ed Reed. In my opinion the only team who might have a shot at beating Brady is the Ravens. Not even Denver comes close [/quot

the ravens had a good win tonight, but, can they make it to the afc championship game, I doubt it, you have to admit Pittsburgh beat themselves. [ fumbles, penalties,intercetions] the next game the ravens play is going to be a lot tougher.

well, it wasn't hard for the cowboys to beat the lions, when you have an owner [jerry jones] who can buy off the officiating crew.

worst penalty call I have ever witnessed, throw a flag and then many minutes later pick it up. resulting in no penalty.

never seen it happen before, its called " buying off the refs" that's the only way they can win, their season ends in green bay. you can count on it.

Yup. Totally agree. Rodgers throws for four hundred next week, even if it's ten degrees.

When the ref picked up that flag, at first I thought it was Tony Romo's tampon. Disgraceful.

yup, and it was so obvious, and it turned the game around. shameful.

Maybe that Fat Governor, Mr. Sitdownandshutup, contributed to the payoff. Well, the league must have told the refs to make sure the C-girls win. They needed "America's Team" to do well for the ratings, the image, and the Big $$ sponsors. We can't have lowly, economically depressed Detroit win....not with that thug King Kong Suh.

totally agree, good post mary.

A Detroit Cryion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N60Fq6uX4c

Giants fire the defensive coordinator and D-back coach. Its about time. Coughlin said all the nice things he could, but come on, 5 years and they were in the bottom 5 too often. Yeah, the defense was good in 2012 when they won the Super Bowl, but they had two great D-Ends in Tuck and Umenyura. Good coaches win with mediocre players. Bad coaches don't, but bad coaches win with outstanding players.

im with you, as a NFL fan I find it hard to believe tom coughlin is still with the franchise.

I guess they are going to keep him.

Chicago Bears hire Ryan Pace as new GM. This is from the Chicago Tribune...

The Chicago Bears have hired Ryan Pace to become their next general manager, the team announced Thursday.

Pace, 37, joins the Bears from the New Orleans Saints, where he spent the last two seasons as their director of player personnel. He spent six years before that as the Saints’ director of pro scouting. After growing up in Texas, he played defensive end at Eastern Illinois from 1995-99.

Pace is charged with reinvigorating the Bears after this season’s 5-11 skid. He replaces Phil Emery, who was fired by the Bears on Dec. 29 after posting a record of 23-25 in his three seasons as GM.

His first order of business will be to push the Bears forward in their ongoing search for a new head coach. The team fired Marc Trestman late last month and has since been on the hunt for a replacement, with consultant Ernie Accorsi, chairman George McCaskey and team president Ted Phillips heading the search.

The Bears interviewed Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn and Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase last weekend and have an interview scheduled for Saturday with Cardinals defensive coordinator Todd Bowles.

Pace will be officially introduced as the Bears’ new GM at an 11 a.m. news conference Friday at Halas Hall.

great, new blood for the bears, be interesting to see who winds up as head coach. what do you think of mike shanahan?

No, thanks, Binnie. He's basically done nothing since 1998. His last job ended in a mess. Washington was his last chance in my opinion.

ok, you know your football, who would you like to see coaching the bears?

NFL 2014-2015

Will LA get a team?

Los Angeles has two sites with the legal, political and environmental clearances for NFL venues: the Farmers Field plan downtown and Ed Roski's proposal in the City of Industry.

The developers of the proposed downtown Los Angeles stadium, entertainment giant AEG, have a few more months to find a football team under an agreement with the city. AEG has vowed to build a stadium called Farmers Field along with a new wing for the city's convention center.

Here is the article:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-0105-nfl-la-stadium-20150105-story.html#page=1

Coaches on their 3rd team are pretty much a desparation move. Do you know any coaches who did good on their 3rd team?

Pete Carroll
Bill Belichick (never coached a game with the Jets, but was named head coach twice)

Bill Parcells, Dick Vermeil and Marty Schottenheimer won division titles with later career teams.

George allen got to the super bowl with his third team[Chicago,los angeles, Washington]

mike Holmgren was on his third team I believe, when he took seattle to the super bowl. [2005]

im sure there is more,

Were those cited above 3 time head coaches or assistant coaches?

Carroll - 1994 Jets, 1997-1999 Patriots, 2010- Seahawks
Belichick - 1991-1995 Browns, Jets (see my earlier note), 2000- Patriots

Parcells - 1983-1990 Giants, 1993-1996 Patriots, 1997-1999 Jets, 2003-2006 Cowboys
Schottenheimer - 1984-1988 Browns, 1989-1998 Chiefs, 2001 Redskins, 2002-2006 Chargers
Dick Vermeil - 1976-1982 Eagles, 1997-1999 Rams, 2001-2005 Chiefs

Allen was an assistant with the Bears. Holmgren was HC only with the Packers and Seahawks.

Thanks for the research ttttttt. The list is pretty short. Beside Carroll as far as winning the big one....

all not head coaches, allen, asst, at Chicago, head coach 2

Holmgren head coach 2....... if you mean 3yrs as head coach, then they don't qualify.

the seahawks took care of business today against cam and co. they will play either the cowboys or the packers, I always keep in mind how lucky the cowboys are, no matter, if they get to the nfc championship game the hawks will crush the cry babies.

im no fan of jerry jones and the cowboys, I guess you could say I hate them.

Well, since the SB era, the Steelers have only had 3 head coaches each of which has coached the Steelers in at least 2 SBs.

Seahawks covered -13 easy........

They are like a SteamRoller, a machine.

Im gunna have to jump on this with any further wagering, they look Great.

DP

oly, if the steelers would have had their star running back Baltimore would never have beat them.

You are probably right.

Costly, costly fumble.... cannot believe this shit

the cowboys finally got beat. the packers go in against the hawks,i will take the hawks. what fumble were you referring to, red zone.

I'm referring to the Murray fumble when Dallas was well on the way to score, of course I don't mean to make the "it cost the game absolutely" argument, but the same thing happened when we played the Skins earlier in the season and came up short by 3. A game they def should have won.

Not to mention the totally ill-matic catch that they recalled, I feel for Dez because that play wasn't one that many receivers are able to make.

E: I'll also be rooting for the Hawks, I hate the pack with a passion, lol.

well, murray still had a great game, he,s a great running back. the catch with dez was the right call, he did not have control all the way. ball came out when he hit the ground,

next year for the cowboys? maybe not, romo is getting older and he has trouble avoiding the blitz. he's not going to be healthy enough for them to have a year as good as 2014.

im sure the hawks will win big, Rodgers is not 100% nor will he be. hawks defense will stop green bay.

On Murray, no question an elite running back, so I'm not laying the loss at his feet, just a frustrating error he made.

I'm also aware of the rule, and I was watching the game where they ruled in similar fashion against Megatron, rules or not, they both had possession of the football, and Dez took 3 steps upon catching and controlling the football, so I don't think that makes sense, even though it's been accepted as "the rule".

I disagree, Romo has been dodging rushers for big plays consistently all year, but I'll give you he's been overrun in the pocket lately, but I don't think it's just on Romo, if anything I blame him for not knowing when to quit on those plays. Health will be a critical issue too I agree.

If they add a pass-rusher or two, possibly add someone in the secondary, and retain Marinelli, they'll be rock solid.

Totally agree with that prediction!

red zone, you certainly know your cowboys, and then I know you will agree that Jason witten is probably the most valuable cowboy. in the clutch there is no one better.

and you have a great coach in Jason garret, he really impresses me, and, I think he knows its time the cowboys draft a QB. with a good young QB, and murray, and Bryant, and jimmy jones staying out of it, you could be super bowl.

Well thank you Binnie, I think your outline makes sense alot, I'd like them to be able to groom a young'n at the QB spot for the remaining Romo years, but I'm stil glad JJ didn't go for Manziel... and yeah, Witten is just something else, lol.

Are you a Hawks fan, out of curiosity?

yes, I am a hawks fan, I live way up in the far north, about 7 hours from seattle. and about manziel, hes just too little, and he was never that good, just hype, hype, hype.

I think that the best QB in college right now is that big boy from ohio state. the kid from Oregon is too little, and not a good passer.

I despise Pete Carroll. But I can't see Seattle not getting back to the Super Bowl to defend their title. The AFC battle next weekend will be interesting featuring two teams that have no semblance of a running game.

yeah, goombah, new England and Indianapolis, both have excellent passers, in brady ,and luck. luck seems to be getting better every year, aside from the dallas game, luck has had a good year, but, I think new england will win It.

you don,t like pete carroll? jeeezzzzzzz. you ok?

Really, I thought I was getting a reprieve knowing Rex Ryan was canned.

Now I will have to suffer through Bills updates with him being involved.

Shit.

DP

your bills are on the move, next year you will make the playoffs.

Sir, that would be great.
All this crap I get every Christmas with the Bills logo's on it will be styling and looking cool.

DP

I think the way Pete Carroll walked away free & clear from USC was a disgrace. For him to get an escape to the NFL and leaving USC w/NCAA sanctions showed his complete lack of ethics. For that I'll always view him as classless.

goombah, yes, he did wrong on that account, other people have brought that up. still, one more super bowl win and most will forget that USC blemish.

Schottenheimer took the Browns to 2 AFC title games and at least one with Kansas City. And I'll never understand how he got fired after going 14-2 with the Chargers. As a Browns fan, I get that Marty was not a great playoff coach. In fact, it is painfully clear. But you can't win unless you get in the playoffs and Marty got his teams to the playoffs consistently.

Parcells' success gradually declined with each team he coached. 2 Super Bowl wins with 2 different QBs with the Giants, 1 Super Bowl appearance with Bledsoe in NE, and AFC title game with an aging Vinny Testeverde, and no real playoff success with the Cowboys. I'm not mentioning to take anything away from Parcells - he was a great coach. He took over bad teams and made them contenders in 1-2 years.

goombah, I look for new England over Indianapolis, seahawks over the packers, aaron Rodgers can't be taken lightly no matter who he is playing.

but, I think the seahawks defense will be too much for him.

There was a rift between Schottenheimer and Chargers GM A.J. Smith and President Dean Spanos. It became worse after that 14-2 season when four assistants took jobs elsewhere, and Spanos thought the problem was rooted with Marty. From what I recall, Marty wanted to hire his brother to backfill one of the open positions and even though Spanos and Smith were against it, Marty was pushing forward with it anyway.

That first round playoff loss didn't help matters, though looking back it was to the Patriots, who went 16-0 that next season.

It's looking like my Bears are close to hiring ex-Broncos head coach, John Fox to lead the beloved Chicago Bears.

I wonder how he looks in aviator sunglasses, a sweater and a mustache?

I don't know about fox, there must of been a good reason why Denver let the guy go. jack del rio would have been great for the bears, but, he went to the raiders.

I think you can do better than fox.

I think so, too, Binnie.

I'm surprised Rex didn't get a sniff in Chicago. He has some Ditka-like personality.

What I will never understand is firing a guy & then taking a shot in the dark on an unknown. I get that SF brass thought Harbaugh was an a-hole. But you have to improve with your next hire. I think his replacement's main qualification was that he wasn't named Jim Harbaugh. If I was a Niners fan, I'd be very upset.

I would take Buddy over Rex as head coach if it came down to that. Thankfully it didn't, and a strong chance of getting Fox. I heard some positive's about him (he won't be like Trestman) and some negative's (he is Lovie 2.0). What is really different about this hiring is that the Bears hired a head coach with past experience. I honestly only remember head coaches with no experience at all coaching the Bears.

so, far the raiders reached out and got jack del rio, an experienced nfl coach, the best move the raiders could make. del rio is one of the best out there.

I'm surprised Rex didn't get a sniff in Chicago. He has some Ditka-like personality.

What I will never understand is firing a guy & then taking a shot in the dark on an unknown. I get that SF brass thought Harbaugh was an a-hole. But you have to improve with your next hire. I think his replacement's main qualification was that he wasn't named Jim Harbaugh. If I was a Niners fan, I'd be very upset. [/quote] I Totally agree Goombah wat the hell r they thinking

As a Bills fan super stoked about Rex for better or worse Buffalo hasn't had a guy like this in a while Pegula doing something Ralph Wilson was to cheap to do and wdnt Pay GOOD COACHES TO COME

How is it that some teams such as the Steelers (which has had just 3 head coaches in 45 years) can achieve such success with little coaching changes, yet teams such as the Bills, and Cowboys, and Miami haven't? What is it? Is it the front office and ownership? For example, has Jerry Jones retarded the potential of the Cowboys?

I am from outside of Pittsburgh but am a huge Dolphins fan. YES, the front office and the constant changes in GM, VP of Operations, President of a team affects everything. When a new GM comes in, a new coach usually does with his own staff. The players that are on the current roster were most likely drafted for a specific skill set on offense and defense, so when a philosophy changes, so do the results. The Rooney's, Bob Kraft in New England and Green Bay are typically competitive year in and year out..Why? Because they are not constantly firing people and staying true to their philosophy.

I am from outside of Pittsburgh but am a huge Dolphins fan. YES, the front office and the constant changes in GM, VP of Operations, President of a team affects everything. When a new GM comes in, a new coach usually does with his own staff. The players that are on the current roster were most likely drafted for a specific skill set on offense and defense, so when a philosophy changes, so do the results. The Rooney's, Bob Kraft in New England, Indy and Green Bay are typically competitive year in and year out..Why? Because they are not constantly firing people and staying true to their philosophy.

It is a QB driven league and Pittsburgh, New England and Green Bay have been fortunate to have Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, Peyton, Andrew Luck and Tom Brady. Think about it.

In Buffalo, there has been no good successor to Jim Kelly. In Miami, we haven't found a QB until Tannehill came on board (who is the best porospect that we've ever had) and I believe they are on the rise with some depth on OL and some new LB's, and in Dallas, Jerry Jones is a lunatic who thinks he's a good GM.

That's been a problem for many organizations. Usually there is a considerable period of wandering in the proverbial desert waiting for th next QB. Beside Buffalo, I would argue that Miami still hasn't found a consistent successor since Marino retired. The Browns have been in QB hell since 1993 when Kosar was unceremonously released. Pittsburgh was mediocre at best from Bradshaw to their current QB. The Raiders went about 20 years between Plunkett and Gannon. And I would argue that the Jets are still working on finding Joe Namath's replacement, 40 years later.

The two exceptions that come to mind are in Indy going from Manning to Luck and when SF went from Montana to Steve Young. That type of good fortune happens once or twice in a generation.

Or from Favre to Rodgers. And I agree with you about Miami, but I will say as a fan that Tannehill has been our best prospect and has given the fans hope. They still need a few pieces, but they easily could have been 11-5 if they didn't lose in the final seconds to GB, DET and Denver...which they dominated the entire game until the closing minutes/seconds. They are on the rise "if" Tannehill continues getting better. He posted career highs with over 4000 yards passing, 27 TD's and 67% completion rate.

Good call on Favre to Rodgers. Not sure how I overlooked that one.

Tannehill shows flashes. I hear some criticism about his consistency, but those are some good numbers. Hopefully you guys have found someone after a "short" 14 yrs after Dan the Man.

good to see someone agrees with me on jerry jones, the record speaks for itself, since he took over as GM what 17 yrs ago? with the exception of this year they have gone nowhere.

and they have no replacement for romo who is getting older and soon, won't be able to absorb those big hits anymore. yes, im sure that jerry jones after taking over as GM has ruined the cowboys.

next year will tell if romo is ever going to take them all the way, I don't see them going anywhere.

My prayers have been answered. Fewell is gone and Steve Spagnuolo is back as D-Coordinator. Gilbride was gone last year and Fewell this year. There is hope in G-land!

The Patriots are even favored in early betting.

the hawks got lucky, they had to pull out a miracle today, 4 intereceptions, I fumble lost, the hawks got a break by recovering their on side kick, and winning the toss in overtime.

they can't play new England and expect to win giving the over 5 times, they are good, but, they lucked out today, new England has never looked better than they did today.

the super bowl is going to be a toss up.

I agree with your assessment, but would add the following. Indy was one dimensional and NE exposed that weakness. Seattle played like garbage for 58 minutes & still won. Psychologically that gives them an edge IMO. If Wilson plays even halfway decent in the SB, they should win with that defense. I would love to be wrong but this could be another dominating Seattle performance.

In my opinion the Packers were the better team and Seattle just got a streak of luck toward the end. The rest of their game sucked. I expect the fukkin Patriots to embarras Seattle in the SB.

all in all goombah is right, the seahawks played horrible, and when you get an on side kick, and win the toss, you are lucky.

bigboy... I keep remembering that this is the patriots 8th super bowl, seattles 2nd, brady has a running game now, but if seattle comes alive on their defense, it should be a great game.

I still say its a toss-up.

Sunday's Seattle game was a lot like Seattle's regular season - in mid-November, they were 6-4, three games behind the Cardinals in the NFC West and out of the playoff picture.

What a difference two months makes.

goombah, what's this talk about the new England patriots footballs being deflated during the game, is this just pure media BS, or is their anything to this?

Not sure. With Belichick any accusation of cheating will get some media play. The fact that the NFL is investigating it gives the accusation a bit of credence.

The only thing from Sunday that I saw deflated was the Green Bay sideline...

This is Seattle's 3rd Super Bowl, as they went to one with Mike Holmgren and Matt Hasselbeck. I agree, GB dominated most of the game, but as Seattle demonstrated, they have resilience and mental toughness to turn it on with 2:09 left in regulation. Keep in mind that Seattle beat GB during the regular season by 20 points. No matter who you play, it's always tough to play the same team twice in a season. I am from the school of thought that defense wins championships, not QB's. I think it will be a good game, but I'd like to see Seattle give Brady & Co a beatdown. Brady has a running game? At times they do, but that has been the most inconsistent part of their attack all season. Seattle's front 7 isn't Indy's front 7. If Manning was healthy, Denver's roster was way more talented than Indy and Indy's defense has been average at best "all season."

Seattle's defense was stout. They held Aaron Rodgers and Company to 5 FG's. GB has a better all around team than New England. Rodgers, Lacy, Cobb, Nelson, Adams. NE's skilled positions, only Gronk is better than Andrew Quarless of GB. IMO, the super bowl was played between SEA and GB

well, with Oscar, and goobah. im talking to the men who know football better than anyone on this site.

im not so sure new England is going to lose this one, just maybe, some weak parts of seattle [penalties, turnovers] have been exposed, GB ran on them pretty well, you give Rodgers two healthy legs, and the outcome of the seattle game could have been different. just saying............

NE ran the ball twice in the 2nd half vs. Baltimore. They ran successfully against the Colts because Indy's run defense is softer than wet cardboard. I don't see NE having the same kind of success running the ball against Seattle.

I think the league has shifted in the past 10 years. Defense does not always win championships. Look no further than the titles won by the Saints, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Colts, & Ravens. Those teams won with explosive offenses and serviceable-to-good defenses. Since 2007, I would say that the prime examples of defenses winning the title were the two Giants victories and last year's Seahawks team.

What Seattle has been incredible at the past 2 months is not allowing TDs. Green Bay wins the game if they were able to score 7 instead of settling for 3 with just one of the 1st half takeaways. If the game is close heading into the 4th quarter, I would think the edge goes to Seattle because of two factors: 1) their defense and 2) any opponent's inability to tackle Lynch as the game wears on.

I'd watch out for the Patriots inflating their crotch area in the hope of displaying more manliness and testosterone. That can be very intimidating in a sport where intimidating your opponent can provide a psychological edge.

Thats what I do.

All 3 of New England titles were won with Belichick defenses, Tom Brady at the early stage of his career managed the game and didn't turn it over. Pittsburgh's title with Cowher was won on defense, Big Ben was a second year QB who passed maybe 25 times per game "at most." Belichick will prepare well as will Carroll. Tom is salivating to get his 4th, even though he says all the right things and is a class at, he loves the attention and his ego is huge, otherwise he wouldn't have been in serious relationships or marriage with a Hollywood actress and a world renowned supermodel. SEA defense will have to play lights out to stop this freight train of a team. Wilson is equally as mentally strong as Tom. He's a leader, to play the way he did and just keep your team's focus when down that late in the game shows he's a true leader of men, and that's a trait that only the great ones typically possess. This is certainly going to be an interesting game. I'm pulling for the Hawks, but Brady needs to get pressured and harassed all day IMO.

A very revealing look at the dumpster fire season that was Johnny Manziel: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/122162...on-sources-said

good read, I read it all, actually the jury is still out. but. ive always said hes a dud, he starts a few games, and stinks up the joint again he will be a footnote in NFL history.

The kid is an alcoholic/addict. Even his father said when he drinks he can't handle his alcohol. Reports out of Cleveland are that when a few coaches showed up at his apartment, he stunk like a brewery and looked like he had been out all night. It was a BAD pick by Cleveland, as they should have known that his style of play is NOT conducive to the NFL. Did you see New England's scouting report on him? Check this out:

http://deadspin.com/leaked-internal-scouting-report-the-patriots-do-not-li-1574040417

IMO, the NFL teams should wait until the 2nd round and beyond to draft a QB. There are more first round duds and if college football keeps morphing into a spread offense, they will have no good prospects for the NFL level.

"Win if you can, lose if you must, but ALWAYS cheat!"

Bobby Heenan & Bill Belichick

Oscar, yup, looks like the patriots were spot on concerning manziel. sounds like a smart scouting staff, maybe that's one of the reasons that they are playing in their 8th super bowl.

thanks for the post Oscar.

I'll bet my house that all other NFL scouting departments had the same info. NFL teams usually hire former FBI or Secret Service agents to run their security and background checks. Cleveland is just plain fucking stupid and I'd fire Ray Farmer for wasting a high pick for a bum in his first NFL draft

Farmer was ordered by the owner to take Manziel. Farmer wanted Bridgewater. There is zero doubt in my mind that this was a PR and jersey-selling pick. Haslem was infatuated w/J Football image.

That's excellent speculation that Haslam ordered the pick, but I know Farmer was high on Manziel as well. As an Ohio native, I remember well the local news outlets saying prior to the draft that Farmer loved Manziel. Anyhow, a clear cut example (if true) how owners should let the football minds handle the football business.

boy you said it! classic example................. dallas cowboys before jerry jones took over as G.M.

Look at Dallas since Jones became the GM. Pathetic. Owners need to look at the Rooney's, Kraft's and Eddie DeBartolo Jr. Three owners that knew how to win and were consistent year in and year out...it's called a stable business model.

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I wonder if Jerry Jones was physically restrained when Dallas was on clock w/Manziel on the board. I thought for sure he would've taken the glamour pick. Jones has been a trainwreck GM since letting Jimmy Johnson leave.

goombah, you are correct. and I would like to add that romo is never going to get the cowboys where staubach, and aikman got them.

he just doesn,t have what they had. jones has stuck with him to long. and they better be thinking about another QB right now.

I cannot disagree about Romo. He is the Kardashian of QBs - lots of style but not a whole lot of substance.

I think that if Staubach had as much talent around him as Aikman, Roger would have 5-6 trophies. Not that Staubach played on teams without starts, but the 92-95 Cowboys teams were a dynasty. If Jones hadn't let his ego get in the way forcing Jimmy Johnson out, they would have cruised to 4 titles in a row. Even an idiot like Switzer was able to put the team on auto-pilot and get a title in '95.

The Cowboys of the present have a lot to offer with that offensive line and one of the best WRs in the league. They probably will have to let Murray go because of the salary cap, but if they could land a young top notch QB they would be set for the next 5-7 years.

A lot of teams are just a 'top notch' QB short from competing or morphing into contenders, the problem being that these type of players aren't widely available, so I think with the new and young O-Line combined with the emergence of the receiving core, pulling the plug on Romo is too premature imo, although I do agree they should have a backup plan, or someone to groom for the next few years, but that's not simple either for the same reasons above.

romo is 35 now with a bad back, and this will be his make or break year. I don't think he's going to last another full season, he's taken some hits, and, they take their toll.

I think manning is finished at Denver, now, if I was jerry jones I would try and get colt McCoy from Washington. or trade for a no# 1 pick in the draft and go for one of the ohio st. QBS.

then dallas would have a future.

I'm of the opinion that Romo is beyond make-or-break. Like you said, he's 35. The same argument with Culter - these guys are what they are at this point of their careers. They're not going to have a huge increase in production.

Romo had a great year in 2014. But with two back surgeries and the hits he took, even with a great o-line, it's unrealistic to expect a repeat performance in 2015. If Jerry Jones was smart, he would go after Romo's replacement while Romo is still on the roster much like Green Bay did with Favre/Rodgers.

If I was Washington's GM, I would not trade McCoy to a division rival. RG3 is too brittle to be giving away his backup. And now that there is a new Washington GM, he most likely does not have the same feelings toward RG3 than the GM responsible for drafting RG3.

good points about Washington, and RGII. I get what you are saying, and you are spot on about romo. and, goombah if you were a G,M. and needed a QB where would you go in next years draft? or who would you trade for?

I'm not sure Binnie. The draft is such a crapshoot on QBs. Luck was the last can't miss prospect. Tons of duds before & since he was picked. The problem is these guys in college typically don't play under center. Then they don't have to really read the defense and athletic QBs are much faster than their competition. That's why so few of these college QBs translate to the NFL.

I could see Cardale Jones being successful in the right situation. He has a cannon for an arm & size. Neither can be taught. If he can learn to read NFL defenses he could be a star. Mariota has accuracy issues. Winston is toxic - if I were a GM there is no way I would put my professional reputation on the line by drafting Winston unless it was after the 1st round.

Would it be freaky for the NFL if the Superbowl score was 3-0....after a 0-0 regulation?

right on, whoever drafts Winston Is going to get burned ala "johnny football" now, next year we will see about OSU other QBS and they both are highly rated. I too am high on cardell jones, and don't forget Ezekiel Elliot, he could be great in the pros.

I think im going to have to go with new England on this super bowl. im a hawks fan but, im afraid the seahawks team that shows up will be the one that fell behind early to green bay, and suffered 5 interceptions.

they can't play like that against new England, aaron Rodgers proved seattles defense has holes in it.

I see new England winning it, no more miracles for seattle this time, they have run out of rabbits.

There isn't one QB in this year's draft that will be a star. If Mariota could learn an NFL play book and become an expert at reading defenses and making immediate adjustments, he may become a quality starter...and OSU QB's will NOT make it in the NFL as a QB. Colleges need to be running pro style offenses if they have a marquee QB in order to better prepare those players for the next level. There will be a handful next year who come from pro style offenses.

Oscar, if cardell jones was a third stringer, how good were the other two ahead of him.

Super Bowl will be lit by LEDs for the first time

http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/1/7959895/super-bowl-xlix-pheonix-lit-by-leds

The big game today will be the first ever Super Bowl illuminated by LEDs instead of traditional metal halide lamps. University of Phoenix Stadium — home of the Arizona Cardinals and Super Bowl XLIX — was outfitted with the LED fixtures last year. Since LEDs are brighter than the old lamps, only 312 units were needed to replace the 780 metal halide lights that were originally installed in the stadium. The new lights also use 75 percent less energy, and they should last at least 20 years — far longer than the old lights that required maintenance every few seasons.

Brighter and whiter

But the lights are changing more than just corporate bottom lines. If you haven't watched a Cardinals game this season, you might notice a difference in the lighting quality. It might take a keen eye to notice, but despite using fewer than half as many lighting units, the light output onto the field is brighter and whiter than before. You'll also see that the strobe effect during slow-motion replays is gone, since LEDs don't flicker in the same way as metal halide lamps.

University of Phoenix Stadium isn't the first stadium to be lit by LEDs — NRG Stadium (home of the Houston Texans) also installed the new lights for this season. But the LEDs will now be under the scrutiny of the brightest stage of them all: the Super Bowl. Ephesus, the company that manufactured the lights, is probably hoping no one notices a difference, but at least if the power goes out like it did in 2013 it won't take a half an hour for the lights to come back on — LEDs power up instantly.

seattle had it won, but, didn't give it to lynch, and Wilson was intercepted. worse call I have ever seen in the nfl. not to give it to lynch but pass. on the half yd line.

Well, the Patriots have been my Steelers nemesis for a decade, but I applaud their victory. For some reason I didn't cotten to
Seattle. Good job Tom.

I was not going to watch the game. But some people in the house were watching it. I watched the whole game man that was some game.

The coach of Seattle made some bad call on that play. Give it to that running back they win.

Yes I watch the game because of their led's Lightning

it was a horrible call, someone should be fired for that one.you have been watching the nfl for as long as I have foots, there is no excuse for that call, I say get rid of caroll.

As a Buffalo Fan it angers me dat da PATS won!! But I hate to say it this officially puts Brady and Belicheat up there as legends Tom Brady goes above Manning ne day and im a huge Manning guy great reg season QB but Postseason where it counts!! and Tom Brady might have another 3 years in his tank still who knows!! even though I hate em

I have been watching and playing when clothes lines were legal. Spearing was allowed it was more fun to play back them.

When neighborhoods played other neighborhoods it was a gang fight.

I used to carry a pen knife in the pile up and with stab a guy 7 or 8 times. Then the guy gets up he was full of blood.

Before the snap I would spit in his face to get him to go offside.

Guy lost his helmet I would go out of my way to cleet him if he went down. If he was up I put my helmet in his face. Stick my fingers in his eyes

I went to a SB party & came home to get the kids to bed at start of 4th quarter. Came home to DirecTv not working. For the 2nd time in a month. The other time you ask? Just the OSU-Oregon nat'l championship game. I'm done with Directv. Forever.

Watching the replays, it's clear the arrogance of Pete Carroll cost his team the game. I have articulated my disdain of Carroll before, so I find it to be poetic justice. He tried to get cute & will be forever criticized for losing the game. And let's face it, Seattle got a gift TD when the referee picked Revis in the 3rd qtr.

What can the other players talk in the huddle? Seattle's back should have asked for the ball when he heard the other call. They are like mindless machines only do what they are told. No leaders among them.

As a Green Bay fan I am happy that there is something that will take the attention off the Packers historic collapse in the NFC championship game.

perhaps the most poorly officiated superbowl EVER

broadcasters don't usually call out blown calls but I counted 7-9 no whistles in situations where a flag absolutely should have been thrown and Michaels and Colins. just called the refs out

the blown NO PASS interference or illegal contact on the final play?

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I agree goombah, carroll is full of holes, just like the hawks, they were and will continue to be under carroll, a team that is not at all disciplined.

their penalties almost always get them in trouble, when they had brady penned in at the 1 yd line, they went off- side, same guy 11 times this season.

and their on the field antics, shows they have no- class, they have absolutely no discipline. and their offense play calling is close to pop warner league.

I sincerely would like carroll and all his coaches to get fired.

the most obvious was the new England defender tripping a seahawk receiver. the replays show a pass interference call should have been called.

right!!!

how do you fall and grab a player's feet,tripping him up to maybe prevent a touchdown ...and official is RIGHT there..and no flag??

After the Seahawks receiver scored and did the crass celebration..I thought to myself...why are you giving Brady 15 extra yards on the kickoff?

nevermind that it was a vulgar display..but it's not winning football

dudes are grown men responsible for their own actions but those of you guys who go back far enough will remember that when Carrol was an nfl head coach before usc... the opposing kicker blew the go ahead field goal....and Carrol said something to him and gave him the choke sign... which struck me as classless

Carrol fosters the same classlessness

Carrol pulls trick plays in weird spots...at a GREAT USC/Notre Dame game...with ND up with seconds left and usc inside the 5...Carrol demonstrably was givng the signal to spike the ball and stop the clock....ND took the bait, hesitated and QB did a qb sneak..got stopped and spun away from it and scored...0 seconds left....

yes, you are right. but, the thing that bothers me as an nfl fan is, that its happening on a regular basis.

it seems as though it just gets worse and worse. something needs to be done.

Offseason is off to a rousing start. Manziel is in rehab & NFL HOFer Warren Sapp was arrested for soliciting a hooker. Can't wait to see the next few months of arrests, domestic abuse, & the trial of an alleged murderer. Quite an offseason lineup Roger Goodell.

On professional athletes go for hookers. They think it's safer then trying to picking women in clubs. I was in a club and Ed Marinerio was gambling and was making a deal with a whore who was in the club. I recognized him was a Viking, and a jet and he Went into acting. At the time he was a good looking man I asked him why pick up whores.

He thought it would lead to less complications.

I don't know if you have seen goodell on the news the past few days. goombah, this guy is really arrogant, I mean he's like in your face arrogant.

do you know this clown makes 40 mil a year.

yeah, he don't gotta worry about making the dame pregnant, and suing him.

you are absolutely right about carroll, there is something that seperates him from the great coaches, remember the title game against texas and usc. 4th down and he didn't use reggie bush.

the other guy got stopped, and texas got the ball and vince young beat them. almost a similar situation in the super bowl.

underneath this carroll guy there is a somewhat superior attitude, and I think it has caught up with him.

let's face it, the guy blew a super bowl. he should get fired.

That is exactly what he said. He was on Hillstreet Blues. He was also doing coke I was to the club was Phil Linz place on first ave.

Remember Phil linz former baseball player.

yeah, he's the dude that berra got mad at for playing the harmonica. he could not play ball though. mediocre.

Yes that is him.

Funny how you guys are talking about Ed Marinaro. My Pops coached him as a kid in Pop Warner. He's #11

Was he the star of the team?

My Pops said he was good for a kid learning the game but never said anything about being the star that I can remember.

Tell me if I am wrong. I had a one time friend in HS that played Pop Warner football. I did not know what Pop Warner meant back then.

He played some where in Queens. I went to see him play. I was shocked when I saw them play. Everyone weighed about the same. It was a lot of skinny kids playing football.

I played in a league where any age, and any weight could play against each other.

Saw this last night and it made me laugh out loud

Pete Carroll

I've never heard of a high school kid playing Pop Warner. They go by age AND weight. You could be a 9 yr old husky kid playing against 11- 12 yr olds. That age and weight group would be classified as Pee Wees.

Did you play flag or tackle football? Ha ha just kidding.

That was GREAT

I really think if I was paul allen I would fire him. might be viewed as radical, but, he's never going to have the respect of his players that he has had in the past.

it all comes down to, are there really any excuses for what he did? I mean bottom line, the guy blew a super bowl.

I give him 2 years till he is fired. That is if they miss the playoffs, and perform really bad. Winning a super bowl gives you a lot of time, look at Coughlin or Tomlin.

Taking your team to the Super Bowl 2 years in a row and winning 1 of them? No way he's getting fired.

I think you are absolutely right, the hawks are never gong to be the team they were when they beat up Denver in the super bowl,

they were very, very lucky to get back to the super bowl this year. green bay had them on the ropes, and their highly thought of defense was exposed with both green bay, and new England.

I agree, I give the bum 2 more years max, he's never going to get over this one, no one can put a happy face on this defeat.

he's never going to have the respect he once had. and paul allen the hawks owner, can see this.

nickyeyes1, I'll bet you that if George halas every had a coach that did what dumbo did, halas would fire him.

don't you ever doubt that one!

I agree. It is quite an achievement for just two of 32 teams to make it to the Superbowl. The coaches and players deserve considerable credit for that achievement.

I think once the emotion from the game starts to subside, cooler heads will prevail. If Carroll were to be fired, I could easily see several teams who already have new/newer coaches clamoring to lure him.

What Carroll needs to do is stop insisting he would make the same call. Even non-football fans know he screwed up on the biggest possible stage. He needs to be a man and own his mistake.

That's right he took them to the big game twice. He should not be fired for a brain freeze at the end of the game.

But someone here said he made the sign for choking when his field goal kicker missed his field goal. That was a low thing to do for a coach. I wonder if he will dump that kicker before the start of the new season?

If he does then I say fuck him he should be fired if he does that.

Has the coach commented to the press about that bad call?

Here are just a few of the many articles

Carroll defends call

Carroll defends decision to throw

Defends call, refutes allegation he changed play

that's what I mean about the guy goombah, he acts like he's got a screw missing, he cannot defend that call!!

I don't disagree with you. He needs to man up and own the mistake. He will lose his players if he continues to defend this screwup. I do give him credit for not letting the O-Coordinator take the heat. But he should say "If I had to do it over, I would have called a running play and then a timeout if necessary."

Seahawks already have a ring under Carrol so the fallout from this isn't going to last long.

I turned the game off immediately after the interception and won't watch it or the sports talking heads speak about it but what I saw was pass interference..

the receiver was knocked back before the ball arrived, unless the rule book was changed....flag has to be thrown


carrol should have called play action pass...and if the db didn't bite, have russell throw it away...

Who invented the play action pass?

good question. I imagine it's been around for a while, probably called something else years ago, I must admit I don't know.

It said the play-action pass was invented by Chiefs head coach Hank Stram and the first QB to do it was Len Dawson during the mid-1960s. Don't know if that's true or not, but i will say Rodgers is one of the best at executing those play actions.

Not sure if this is 100%, but It said that Hank Stram invented the famous play with Len Dawson as the QB. That's all I could find with a name.

http://www.kgbanswers.com/who-invented-t...did-it/18543399

yes,stramm was a great one, and Rodgers if he had both legs against the seahawks the packers would have won, he's a hall of famer.

Yes Stram invented it. But it did not help him in super bowl 1

What old AFL defensive end was in the porno "beyond the green door"

All due respect, you're the only one I have read or heard about claiming pass interference. I've seen the replay multiple times from several angles. The DB jumped the route & Wilson threw it to the outside shoulder of the WR. The DB was in much better position to where the ball was thrown. It was much closer to the DB, who has equal right to the ball. The WR fell back after the collision for the ball and was not knocked away early.

Most definitely, along with a few others.




That was Ben Davidson...started out with the Packers and then finished his career out with my "No Good Team,"..Oakland Raiders... Been a fan since 86, so i can't/shouldn't complain. lol

I hope when Ben got some pussy while he was making that movie.

My Godfather Gabe made porno's he was married to my cousin Faye. He would let me and my brother try them out.

I loved going to his house in the summer. He had a big corner house in the Bronx. I was used to tenement life.

There was a guy in Goodfellas they showed him for a second. They called him Pete the Killer. He was Gabe's nephew. He was originally a Harlem boy as well.

foots--- I do believe you have seen it all. I like your stories, an old new Yorker like yourself has some good ones, you should write a book.

as a defender you can't run into me trying to catch a pass...

ball is in the air and you bump me,impede my progress or grab me it's a flag

you have right to make an attempt at a catch and i have a right to occupy the space i'm in

we've both seen flags called on similar plays



refs scared to make the call or worse

I did not watch it except that one time. I thought the defender was playing the ball and not the man. Either man the receiver or the defender has the right to play the ball.

A Lot of big name guys are up in free agency this year; could be a turning point for a lot of bubble teams. What do you guys think?

LaLou, I think you are right, and some teams are getting old. while Oakland, Miami, buffalo, Arizona, and st Louis are only going to get better.

seattle won't be as good next year. nor will dallas, or new England, Denver is cooked, as is Philadelphia.

I look for different champions in most divisions.

And Miami signs Suh......I'm not very happy about this...

nfl concludes deflategate investigation

straight from the horse's mouth

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/201...-championsh.pdf