Was Jimmy Altieri actually a rat?

I know that they were confusing him and Pusy with each other when the revelation came but a lot of things point to him being a rat

Pro's for being a rat
-Asking about stuff that's already been covered
-Seemingly trying to get Tony to say something incriminating
-The way he said 'Oh god' when he was called a rat, although it could easily be fear of him impending doom

Personally I would've liked to have seen more of Jimmy rather than Carlo Gervasi as a character

Ofcourse he was a rat, wasn't it obvious??

The way he kept asking Tony questions in the basement, dead give away if you ask me..

I think the difference between Altieri & Bumpansero was length of time being an informer. Jimmy was probably turned at the raid we see on the club, whereas BP was flipped in '95. When Jimmy comes to Tony's house, he was obviously wearing a wire. Same with the meeting Jimmy called for in the beginning of the next episode.

How did you find out that Big Pussy flipped in '95??

EDIT: Ah, I remember now, the Christmas party for the kids was in '95 when he played Santa for the kids..

That's one of the things that bothers me on the show. In the flashback, it's said Pussy flipped in '95, however, the FBI agent told Pussy he's been "milking them since '98."

Yes Jimmy was a rat, but he did not flip until after he was busted on weapon charges.

CleanBandit, If I am not mistaken, the agent said that to Big Pus in season two. He was an informant as well as Reymond in 95. It was one information against the other, until Jimmy flipped and backed up what Curto was feeding the feds. The FBI deduced that Pushy was holding back on then since 1998 on the true power of Tony in the family at the time.
I forget where I heard it but an CI was responsible for Anastasia and Dimeo going to prison in 95. Febby was an informant in the 1980s. That pretty much just leaves Reymond as most likely the informant whose information crippled the family in 95.

He was flipped in 98, the FBI quoted that two times.

I say no.

I think the point was not to explicitly show it, because the mob guys themselves didn't know 100%. All it matters is that he was suspicious, and that's why they popped him.

Jimmy wanting a sit down, so they can go over old business, was probably enough to cement his place as a rat.

After the meet, i believe its Junior and i think Tony that agree hes a rat.

I deduce that the rat that crippled the family in 95 goes unnamed if Raymond had done that much damage then he'd be in wit-pro

He had to be a rat. If he wasn't working for the Feds then when he meet with Tony he most likely would have been talking in code to him and not asking very specific questions about old business. He also never would have called a meeting with the the entire administration of the family to go over business that has already been decided on. The way he went about it he was begging to be made an example of.

I maybe wrong but I think Pussy set that up the raid. His eyes were very shifty once that agent got close to the pool table.

UH YEAH,,,, He also got Jimi whacked by trying to make him look like the rat.

You opened my eyes. Pussy was really a piece of shit. Altieri was still a rat though!

Nope

This show was good with the sleight of hand gimmicks. Jimmy Altieri walks right out of jail, and suddenly he's at Tony's asking questions about non-urgent matters involving higher ups. All the traits of someone who cut a deal. It's possible both he and Puss had flipped. We'll never know. Just like with the Russian. Heck, just like with the show's ending.

Yes, he was a rat, no question. Showing up on Tony's and asking him those questions, calling the meeting, getting low ball bail after those guns were found in his club and he had a pistol on him......how could he not be a rat how they laid all that out in the show? The official book HBO put out (the cannon one that Chase signed off on) they state that he was indeed a rat in what's meant to be an official FBI report on Jimmy after he turned up with the rat in his mouth.

I don't know why people always question this, it's obvious he's a rat..

Nah

What makes you say no, Dues? IMO it's pretty clear that he's an informant.

It wouldn't be unlike this show to trick the audience into thinking someone is a rat when they're not. Det. Makazian never says there's just one rat. At least I don't recall. Plus, he might not even know. We eventually find out Pussy is one, but we never know for certain that Jimmy is. I've never really thought of it, but this show relies on mystery as much as drama and comedy. They love to get the audience thinking in one direction, only to surprise them with something from the other.

That's true but it would make sense that Makazian did not know that Pussy was a rat because Puss was working directly with the feds while Makazian was a local detective. So it's possible that Jimmy was working with local authorities while Puss was working with the feds. Plus I just don't see Jimmy reacting that way right before he got killed if he wasn't really snitching. He reacted like the other shoe just dropped, a guy who wasn't ratting would be surprised and immediately plead their innocence. Just feel like there are a ton of things that point towards Altieri snitching but not much that suggests he wasn't.

Jimmy was already in the police books for conspiracy and then he gets caught with pistols and AK47's, illegal gambling too and as Tony puts it he managed to escape those charges on low bail and out in time for dinner.. Jimmy says to Tony "you got a problem" , he says "yeah I'm working on it" to which Jimmy replies "working on what" .. if you think by those actions and conversation he isn't a rat then you need your head examined lmao

Because I never seen him ratin



There ya go...perfect.




The Feds sometimes do that type of shit to get you in a Jam.
Also, if you have no record or a good lawyer and the bucks.... you can get out that quick, Fuck that.... what actions.

The entire idea of JImmy getting whacked was he was taking the heavy rap for something he did no do and PUSSY did.
This is meant to show how fucked up this way of life is.
They whack several guys before they get the right one.

Ok, I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from here. He was a rat. They couldn't have made it more clear that he was a rat unless they had Tony show up at his house and find HIS actual wire too.

He's out on bail for conspiracy and gets arrested with a pistol on him and they find a whole bunch of machine guns in his club. Yet somehow he's able to get released.

He gets out and immediately goes to Tony's house and starts asking him some very suspect questions, trying to bait Tony into talking about past crimes including murder. Even after Tony flat out ignores his questioning he goes back to it and tries to get him to talk. Tony's reaction to the questioning, his comments to Jimmy and the camera work is more than a suggestion to the audience that Tony is aware of what's going on.

Calls a meeting with the capos to discuss old business.

Tries getting Junior to talk about the murder of Brendan Fillone.

When he gets ambushed by Sil and Chris and they let him know they figured out he's a rat he doesn't say "What the hell are you talking about?!?!?" he says "Mother of God!" something one would probably say if they knew they were found out and about to get shot. The game was up at that point and he knew it.

Jimmy and Pussy were both rats, we just got to see the actual reason that Jimmy flipped and everything that happened with Puss was off screen. Ray Curto, Jimmy, Pussy, Adrianna, Gene, Febby, etc. There were a few rats in the NJ crew. As far as Skip's comment about Jimmy eating the bullet for Puss, that's true he did. But that doesn't mean he wasn't also a rat. Wouldn't make much sense for the FBI to let other informants know about one another for obvious reasons. Gene didn't know that Curto was a rat and they don't confirm it for him when he asks either. And we never find out why either one of those guys were cooperators either.

The story revolves around the betrayal of Pussy. In order to keep the audience in suspense, they add the obviousness of Altieri being an informant to what the viewer already knows about Detective Makazian's lack of credibility, i.e,., being a gambler himself and very sloppy in his investigative work (how he handled Melfi and her date). giving both Tony and the viewer hope that the informant isn't Pussy after all. Pussy disappears. Tony, nor the viewer, has any way of knowing whether Pussy has fled town or entered the witness protection program. Makazian committed suicide, so Tony's only law enforcement source on this is gone. The episode ends with Tony standing near the water, looking out at a bridge. It's great god damned television. Plain and simple.

My answer to the question originally asked via this thread : NO DOUBT ABOUT IT !!!!

Plus there's a scene in one episode where Tony is sitting at kitchen table talking to Carm
and he mentions his lawyer found out about info that Jimmy gave to the Feds. I forget which episode it's in.

Yeah, I don't think there was any question of anyone being labeled a rat, that wasn't really a rat. There were those rats that he didn't know (Ray Curto, for example), and of course he used that label to obfuscate what he did to those he killed/were killed (e.g., Big Pussy, Ralphie, Richie Aprile).

Why don't you call for help in your radio mic, you f*cking rat.

What's the matter, you not wearing one tonight?

Nah, he didn't have time to put on anything decent.

Of course he was a rat. Not even a question.

Damn we digging up posts

Yes he was definitely a rat

Altieri was absolutely a rat.

I think i heard there was a sopranos companion book that mentioned he was no doubt a rat and very cooperative with the feds.