From the top of my head, the poker games. At the executive game, the dealer "Sunshine" (what kind of nickname is taht) raked $300 in a pot. Are you kidding me? 3 black chips = $300. The reds and greens are for antes $25, and yellow I'm assuming is 1k or 5k. Purples are $500.
A $300 rake is beyond a joke. Even bill gates wont play in a game with a rake up to $300. Standard rake in ANY game in the world is $3-$20 at the most. I'm talking about nosebleed games underground or at casinos.
Sure they were playing pretty high like 400/800, but still, come on chase, do soem fkn research.
also, at a game that is that high, how does dealer not have a cut card? all the pot splashing, looks like these people have never played a hand of cards in their life.
From the top of my head, the poker games. At the executive game, the dealer "Sunshine" (what kind of nickname is taht) raked $300 in a pot. Are you kidding me? 3 black chips = $300. The reds and greens are for antes $25, and yellow I'm assuming is 1k or 5k. Purples are $500.
A $300 rake is beyond a joke. Even bill gates wont play in a game with a rake up to $300. Standard rake in ANY game in the world is $3-$20 at the most. I'm talking about nosebleed games underground or at casinos.
Sure they were playing pretty high like 400/800, but still, come on chase, do soem fkn research.
also, at a game that is that high, how does dealer not have a cut card? all the pot splashing, looks like these people have never played a hand of cards in their life.
I don't recall them ever stating a chip value in any episode. Just because when you play poker with your friends you assign a $25 value to the green chips and $100 to the black chips doesn't mean that everyone else does.
As for BS in the Soprano's; how about if the Jersey family boss assaulted a high ranking member in one of the big NY families as Tony did to Phil when he chased after him and then grabbed him by the throat after his red Lincoln crashed they would be in serious trouble. Also If the Jersey family whacked a boss of a NY family they would be in a lot of trouble however it can be argued that Tony paid for the move with his life depending on how you interpret the ending of the final episode. Now given that Tony told Chris that "Phil has 200 soldiers in his family" it would have to be the Genovese or Gambino's and this is all speculation but I would imagine if the Decavalcante boss Jimmy Ocean asualted a capo like Tino Fiumara or Danny Marino he could expect some serious repercussions.
If were talking BS stuff how about the fact that a new Jersey family whacked about 30+ people in 8 years! Obviously though we needed that for our entertainment lol.
From the top of my head, the poker games. At the executive game, the dealer "Sunshine" (what kind of nickname is taht) raked $300 in a pot. Are you kidding me? 3 black chips = $300. The reds and greens are for antes $25, and yellow I'm assuming is 1k or 5k. Purples are $500.
A $300 rake is beyond a joke. Even bill gates wont play in a game with a rake up to $300. Standard rake in ANY game in the world is $3-$20 at the most. I'm talking about nosebleed games underground or at casinos.
Sure they were playing pretty high like 400/800, but still, come on chase, do soem fkn research.
also, at a game that is that high, how does dealer not have a cut card? all the pot splashing, looks like these people have never played a hand of cards in their life.
I don't recall them ever stating a chip value in any episode. Just because when you play poker with your friends you assign a $25 value to the green chips and $100 to the black chips doesn't mean that everyone else does.
As for BS in the Soprano's; how about if the Jersey family boss assaulted a high ranking member in one of the big NY families as Tony did to Phil when he chased after him and then grabbed him by the throat after his red Lincoln crashed they would be in serious trouble. Also If the Jersey family whacked a boss of a NY family they would be in a lot of trouble however it can be argued that Tony paid for the move with his life depending on how you interpret the ending of the final episode. Now given that Tony told Chris that "Phil has 200 soldiers in his family" it would have to be the Genovese or Gambino's and this is all speculation but I would imagine if the Decavalcante boss Jimmy Ocean asualted a capo like Tino Fiumara or Danny Marino he could expect some serious repercussions.
hey kid, in the gambling world, to assign any other denomination to those chips would be , any degenerate high roller knows that. green = 25 , black =100, purple=500, yellow/orange= 1000/5000 as to ny vs nj, yeah ny is portrayed too incompetent. i was wondering too where the fucks the other 200 soldiers ...in iraq?
If were talking BS stuff how about the fact that a new Jersey family whacked about 30+ people in 8 years! Obviously though we needed that for our entertainment lol.
Yah it's funny, I've said that before, you got what's a already a small family and in less then a decade something like 20 members are killed or die off, if I wasn't so lazy I would do the count but it's got to be atleast 20.
From the top of my head, the poker games. At the executive game, the dealer "Sunshine" (what kind of nickname is taht) raked $300 in a pot. Are you kidding me? 3 black chips = $300. The reds and greens are for antes $25, and yellow I'm assuming is 1k or 5k. Purples are $500.
A $300 rake is beyond a joke. Even bill gates wont play in a game with a rake up to $300. Standard rake in ANY game in the world is $3-$20 at the most. I'm talking about nosebleed games underground or at casinos.
Sure they were playing pretty high like 400/800, but still, come on chase, do soem fkn research.
also, at a game that is that high, how does dealer not have a cut card? all the pot splashing, looks like these people have never played a hand of cards in their life.
I don't recall them ever stating a chip value in any episode. Just because when you play poker with your friends you assign a $25 value to the green chips and $100 to the black chips doesn't mean that everyone else does.
As for BS in the Soprano's; how about if the Jersey family boss assaulted a high ranking member in one of the big NY families as Tony did to Phil when he chased after him and then grabbed him by the throat after his red Lincoln crashed they would be in serious trouble. Also If the Jersey family whacked a boss of a NY family they would be in a lot of trouble however it can be argued that Tony paid for the move with his life depending on how you interpret the ending of the final episode. Now given that Tony told Chris that "Phil has 200 soldiers in his family" it would have to be the Genovese or Gambino's and this is all speculation but I would imagine if the Decavalcante boss Jimmy Ocean asualted a capo like Tino Fiumara or Danny Marino he could expect some serious repercussions.
hey kid, in the gambling world, to assign any other denomination to those chips would be , any degenerate high roller knows that. green = 25 , black =100, purple=500, yellow/orange= 1000/5000 as to ny vs nj, yeah ny is portrayed too incompetent. i was wondering too where the fucks the other 200 soldiers ...in iraq?
Finish your point. To assign any other denomination would be what?
I'm just pointing out they could be only worth $5 or $10 we don't know. I could have missed it but I don't remember them talking about the values.
Also about the killing in the Soprano's I think the closest actual family to kill so many would have been Philly under Scarfo.
it would be a sin. its unprofessional, sloppy, confusing, and disorganized.
clearly they followed the standard denominations. they raked $80k in that game. That is unbelievable, if the rake is 80k from a 5-6 handed game. Nobody could be a winner if the rake is that high.
it is common knowledge in the poker/gambling world that those are the standard denominations. google "$25 chip" and look up the images, i guarantee most are green. google "$100 chip" and they'll all be black and so on. So no, its not just my home game.
here's another thing that is kind of bs but out of their control: how could AJ possibly be so short? sure he takes on carmela's side of the family according to tony, but he's fucking shorter than carmela, hugh and the mother! Maybe david chase should have made him adopted, make things more interesting.
tony's attempted killers: are they really that incompetent? i wouldnt be able to make up this story. they miss at point blank like 4 times a target as big as tony, and then tony grabs the guys gun in the drivers seat from the passenger side while fighting off another guy. not possible. maybe thats why tony started laughing his ass off when he got away.
the mustang sally hit: during the struggle, mustang sally reaches for his own gun and grabs it and there is nothing blocking him from shooting old man baccala, but his arm seems to be stuck in mid air. while unable to hold off old man baccala and gets capped.
phil leotardo putting benny in the emergency room: he hit him with a wooden walking cane several times, not enough to put benny in the emergency room like that unless there was knife attached to the cane that i missed.
tony blundetto finding the 13k and crack: why would the speeding lexus throw away the 13k? why not just the crack? it would have been a lot more discreet to throw away the crack, no following vehicle would have even noticed the little capsules in the dark. last time i checked, it wasn't illegal to have 13k cash on u... especially when you're already driving a lexus.
it would be a sin. its unprofessional, sloppy, confusing, and disorganized.
clearly they followed the standard denominations. they raked $80k in that game. That is unbelievable, if the rake is 80k from a 5-6 handed game. Nobody could be a winner if the rake is that high.
it is common knowledge in the poker/gambling world that those are the standard denominations. google "$25 chip" and look up the images, i guarantee most are green. google "$100 chip" and they'll all be black and so on. So no, its not just my home game.
here's another thing that is kind of bs but out of their control: how could AJ possibly be so short? sure he takes on carmela's side of the family according to tony, but he's fucking shorter than carmela, hugh and the mother! Maybe david chase should have made him adopted, make things more interesting.
tony's attempted killers: are they really that incompetent? i wouldnt be able to make up this story. they miss at point blank like 4 times a target as big as tony, and then tony grabs the guys gun in the drivers seat from the passenger side while fighting off another guy. not possible. maybe thats why tony started laughing his ass off when he got away.
the mustang sally hit: during the struggle, mustang sally reaches for his own gun and grabs it and there is nothing blocking him from shooting old man baccala, but his arm seems to be stuck in mid air. while unable to hold off old man baccala and gets capped.
phil leotardo putting benny in the emergency room: he hit him with a wooden walking cane several times, not enough to put benny in the emergency room like that unless there was knife attached to the cane that i missed.
tony blundetto finding the 13k and crack: why would the speeding lexus throw away the 13k? why not just the crack? it would have been a lot more discreet to throw away the crack, no following vehicle would have even noticed the little capsules in the dark. last time i checked, it wasn't illegal to have 13k cash on u... especially when you're already driving a lexus.
While I agree with some of what your saying any show can be nitpicked and they always jazz up shows/movies. That being said it is fun to discuss the screw ups. About the 13k being tossed, under panicked situations people do stupid things. If there were more than one maybe the guy who throw it forgot for a split second that the $ were in there. I'm sure he regretted it later. Benny being turned into a vegetable from a 65 year man hitting him with a can 3-4 times is a little much. They could have shown Phil and the other goons he was with at least boot stomping him to make it a little more believable.
I also agree that the show stretched the realism to the hilt many times.
As far as AJ's height?
Well, Robert Iler was only 12 years old when he was cast in the role. I'm willing to give Chase the benefit of the doubt on that one. How could he have predicted whether or not the kid would be as tall as Edie Falco or James Gandolfini?
If you want to get nitpicky about physical appearance, both Falco and Gandolfini are fair skinned Italian Americans, while Jamie Lynn Sigler is darker complected (I think she's half Cuban, half Jewish). She doesn't resemble either of them. But her portrayal of a spoiled suburban kid was so spot on, you'd never think to go there. Both kids did a GREAT job in the roles.
I think we all agree that the biggest stretch was the ongoing storyline about the Jersey family waging an even halfway successful war on New York. Tony getting up and walking out of Carmine's club in season 4 was so ridiculous that I usually fast forward it. I don't care if the Esplenade was in Jersey or not, Tony should have considered himself lucky to get in for even a small percentage.
They should have based the Soprano family on either the Genovese of Lucchese Jersey crew. That way the whole New York thing might have been more believeable.
I know the other family is bigger than his and that but he cant act like a punk either cause end of the day the guys a gangleader with a bunch of sociopaths lookin to him for leadership. If he acts like a pussy everytime someone bigger tries to mess with him his own people would probably kill him or he wouldnt have made to that position in the first place.
Also they liked killed and robbed a whole bunch of columbian drug dealers which i dont find very believable as they dont seem to have any drug deals or any clout within the drug world except a bit of ectacy. I think they should have developed that storyline.
Agree with that. The aftermath of that was like, what, a triple homicide? Actions like those have consequences, same for many other felonies which were committed without taking DNA testing/modern CSI in to account.
I know the other family is bigger than his and that but he cant act like a punk either cause end of the day the guys a gangleader with a bunch of sociopaths lookin to him for leadership. If he acts like a pussy everytime someone bigger tries to mess with him his own people would probably kill him or he wouldnt have made to that position in the first place.
Also they liked killed and robbed a whole bunch of columbian drug dealers which i dont find very believable as they dont seem to have any drug deals or any clout within the drug world except a bit of ectacy. I think they should have developed that storyline.
They reference coke deals fairly regularly throughout the show. Tony was pissed because Ritchie Aprile and Junior were selling it on the garbage routes. Plus they robbed the Colombians of cash not drugs. You find it hard to believe the mob would rob other criminals of ill gotten money?
Also I don't know that the body count is too unrealistic. I think there were 20-25 murders in about 7-8 years. The Philly family under Scarfo had over 30 murders in the same amount of time I think.
There have been several real life examples of mob guys ripping off from drug dealers. And the DeCavalcantes, who the Soprano family (an indigenous family in Jersey) is based on, don't seem to have much involvement in drugs. So that part makes sense. It was a means of getting some quick money. Not fighting over drug turf.
yeah, the local cops are nonexistent. every crime committed, there is plenty of evidence everywhere and enough to put them away for multiple life sentences. And guess what they come up with, airline tickets and a gun charge? that could have been a little more realistic.
i mean, just look at the jackie jr. card game robbery. dino's brains splattered in the streets, sunshine dead, etc. no word from the cops.
I agree that they are capable of ripping off other criminals but when paulie kills that first columbian as a message in season 1 he says that they were warned which means the columbians must have known it was them but their was no retaliation for it. The later columbian killings in season 6 seemed more to do with robbing them than sending a message even though they werent wearing ski masks or anything and why do they always kill people with their jogging suits on.
I agree that they are capable of ripping off other criminals but when paulie kills that first columbian as a message in season 1 he says that they were warned which means the columbians must have known it was them but their was no retaliation for it. The later columbian killings in season 6 seemed more to do with robbing them than sending a message even though they werent wearing ski masks or anything and why do they always kill people with their jogging suits on.
What Colombians were killed in season 6? refresh my memory. Thanks
I agree with a lot of bullshit in the Sopranos. i loved the show but being a big mafia buff i noticed a lot of unrealstic situations. as someone mentioned there would never be that many killings in this day and age. The amount of mafia killings has gone down big time since the early 90's. Also I didn't like that they portrayed jersey mafia just as strong and even stronger than a top new york family. First of all the sopranos are based on the Decalvacante Family who basically were the minor league mafia and did everything that the new york families told them to do. Also It is unlikely that tony would keep escaping jailtime in this day and age. i know he is the main character but i am just talking about being realistic
Also I didn't like that they portrayed jersey mafia just as strong and even stronger than a top new york family. First of all the sopranos are based on the Decalvacante Family who basically were the minor league mafia and did everything that the new york families told them to do
Damn right. Funny how Sopranos sometimes really punched the big guys from New York stright in the face. In real life - it'd be a freaking death assignment.
I wish Janice would have been left out the series. I like the Jersey people. But I did enjoy the series I like to watch it over again. There were things in the Godfather , Casino , that aren't all right. The funny thing life is not right we as people aren't perfect take the best Diamond in the world and there is gonna be a flaw in it . So like it or don't .
Also I didn't like that they portrayed jersey mafia just as strong and even stronger than a top new york family. First of all the sopranos are based on the Decalvacante Family who basically were the minor league mafia and did everything that the new york families told them to do
Damn right. Funny how Sopranos sometimes really punched the big guys from New York stright in the face. In real life - it'd be a freaking death assignment.
Ya i understand that since the main character has to be invincible in a tv show but it's an insult to think that a small mafia family in jersey can beat a top NY Family like i said anybody who knows mob history knows that is utter bullshit.
1st season when the Feds are handing out enditements, pussy is burning stuff in the backyard with a heavy-set blonde woman who is dressed up from the wedding. Not his wife in later seasons and i doubt that was his girlfriend.
When Christopher goes to the deli to pick up cannollis and he shoots the bakery guy in the foot for taking the customer before him. The customer was Vito and the bakery guy called him Gent. If Vito was a Capo or soldier at this time in the Soprano family, Christopher would have known him and backed down and/or Vito wouldn't have backed down.
how about the scene when artie pulls a shotgun on tony in the first season ?? In what world can u pull a gun on the boss of a family without any repercussions??
how about the scene when artie pulls a shotgun on tony in the first season ?? In what world can u pull a gun on the boss of a family without any repercussions??
I think it was a rifle but I see what you're saying.
how about the scene when artie pulls a shotgun on tony in the first season ?? In what world can u pull a gun on the boss of a family without any repercussions??
Artie and Tony where mates from the old days and went to school together, i think that they had this special relationship and only Artie could do that and get away with it. In the early seasons they had a lot of good scenes together, i especially like the food fight they have in Tony's kitchen. When Artie tries to kill himself, that's where there relationship changes and we see less of him.
it makes sense in The Sopranos' realm that Artie is the only guy in the world who could do that to Tony and get away with it.
having said that, I don't buy that scene at all. it's always a terrible choice when directors and film makers don't resist and bring a shotgun or a rifle like that to a scene that absolutely doesn't need it. it reminds of that scene towards the end of "Training Day" when the spanish thug pulls a shotgun to Ethan Hawke's face to perform a simple hit. you just don't need that!
On the episode "Meadowlands" Tony plays a game of Mario Kart 64 with AJ, except Tony plays with only one hand on the N64 controller. It would be impossible to play without using both hands. Tony isn't hitting the "A" button which makes your character accelerate forward. I know it's a dumb problem to have with the show, but it loses a lot of realism for me when small things like this are overlooked by the crew.
Great acting by Gandolfini all the same though. As you say, he clearly couldn't be playing the game - but by God he looks like he is playing a video game. Look at that transfixed expression on his face lol.
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What he's doing with his hands. I love picking up on minor things like that. It's great physical acting. He really was a great actor. No hyperbole.
Great acting by Gandolfini all the same though. As you say, he clearly couldn't be playing the game - but by God he looks like he is playing a video game. Look at that transfixed expression on his face lol.
Very true, James always kills it. I have seen many gamers with that very expression, and I doubt James was a gamer.
In real life some killers were even worse than Tony's attempted killers. Think about John Veasey for example, how he was able to fight his opponents and get out of his house. Those things happen in real life.
In real life some killers were even worse than Tony's attempted killers. Think about John Veasey for example, how he was able to fight his opponents and get out of his house. Those things happen in real life.
One of the two civilians that were murdered by Rocco Vitulli and Frank Federico on the orders of Sal Avellino put up a good fight before he was murdered.
So many of these hits are very messy. Probably go down that way more often than not.
One of the two civilians that were murdered by Rocco Vitulli and Frank Federico on the orders of Sal Avellino put up a good fight before he was murdered.
So many of these hits are very messy. Probably go down that way more often than not.
Yes people fight for their lives, no wonder it gets messy most of the times.
Tony getting upset with Chris over stealing some watches from a FedEx truck, but then has no problem murdering Chucky Signore in broad daylight on a freakin' boat.
One thing that made even the biggest Sopranos fan (like myself) go "Oh c'mon!" was when Tony told Melfi that mob guys "get a pass" for gay behavior in prison. I don't think so.
I still can't get over how they ended the show... with no real ending, how would you guys have wanted it to end? I always thought the show was loosely based on the jersey/philly mob and they simply ran out of new material.. I'm kind of hoping they come out with a movie... I really like that show
It’s been seven years since The Sopranos concluded its six-season run on HBO. However, people still can’t come to terms with its lack of finality, this despite creator David Chase’s attempts at explaining otherwise.
At a panel at the Museum of the Moving Image in New York City on Wednesday night, Chase once again found himself in the unenviable position of having to explain why he ended the show the way he did, with the now infamous cut-to-black sequence.
“Well the idea was you get killed in the diner or not killed,” Chase responded, somewhat incredulously, to a fan who was “disappointed” by the ending. “And what’s the idea? You know I am not trying to be coy about this. It’s not trying to guess if he’s alive or dead. That’s not the point for me. I don’t know how to explain this. Actually, here’s what Paulie Walnuts says. In the beginning of that episode he says, ‘In the midst of life, we are in death, or is it, In the midst of death we are in life? Either way we’re up the ass.’ That’s what’s going on there.”
Unfortunately, like any answer Chase gives about Tony’s outcome, it only leads to more questions.
“In your mind, was Tony dead inside?” asked another audience member several minutes after the first finale-related query. “Was the point that it could come at any minute, so whether it happened that day or another day, it doesn’t matter in a sense?”
Another individual was interested in giving his theory about the way Tony, Carmela, and A.J. ate onion rings, and how it was akin to giving their last rights.
Chase: “I don’t know, maybe [Tony] choked on an onion ring.”
Chase has been through this circus before. During the press tour for his 2012 film Not Fade Away, he found himself repeatedly explaining the Sopranos finale to journalists. As he told the AP at the time “There was something else I was saying that was more important than whether Tony Soprano lived or died. About the fragility of all of it. The whole show had been about time in a way, and the time allotted on this Earth.”
Before last night’s event, the museum screened the first and last episodes of the show. Perhaps seeing it again after all these years triggered a Pavlovian response for audience members, particularly those disappointed in what they saw the first time. As the evening wore on, it was hard to tell whether Chase was having fun or ready to punch the next person who asked him another “What happened?” question. Perhaps both? To borrow a line from Tony Soprano, Chase was once again playing the sad clown: happy about the reaction the program had received, sad about people’s insistence on being forced to walk them through the ending over and over again.
“I wanted to create a suspenseful sequence,” he explained to the crowd. “I didn’t want people to be reading into it like The Da Vinci Code or something. I was amazed when it happened. It wasn’t meant to be like ‘Wow the Walrus was Paul.’ It wasn’t meant to confound anybody. It was meant to make you feel.”
“Feel what?” screamed one fan.
“I don’t know, what did you feel?” Chase replied.
“Pissed-off.”
“Well, I am sorry. It’s a pretty potent sequence to me,” he said.
“Don’t be sorry,” another audience member chimed in, a comment that was followed by rapturous applause.
Thankfully, Chase did find time to discuss a few other things besides the ending, like the show’s performances and its overall legacy.
On the late James Gandolfini: “I was floored tonight to see how good he was. I just couldn’t believe it. I mean, look, he was great, I always knew he was great. But tonight it just really hit me how genius that was.”
On being approached for a Sopranos movie: “A lot of people have talked to me about it, and frankly I still flirt with the idea sometimes. But if I had a really great way to do it, I would do maybe a prequel. Somebody gave me a book about Newark in the 1920s about gangsters in Newark. That kind of interests me but not enough that I would have done it.”
On Mad Men: “My personal opinion of Mad Men is I think [Matthew Weiner] has done an amazing thing——without killing people every five minutes. He doesn’t do that. I mean a guy got his foot caught off with a lawnmower.”
On people’s insistence on recapping television shows: “I don’t get it. I don’t know why you would read that stuff. You would just read what you just saw? That’s one thing. And then the picking apart, like, ‘I really love the way Sally Draper walked from the car to the house.’ Alright, she walked from the car to the house…I guarantee you they just tried to get her from the fucking car to the house.”
That last quote is somewhat ironic considering The Sopranos was the one that helped usher in an era of ultra analytical TV watching. After the show’s finale, fans began dissecting all of their favorite programs, piece-by-piece, like Zapruder outtakes. As last night proved, no matter how many questions people ask Chase, no matter how many thoughtful responses he comes up with, people seem content on the mystery rather than the answer.
“You know, I thought I might be asked about this,” Chase said, about the finale. “I will read you Carlos Castaneda. Now I had not read this before I did the finale, but I came across this the other day and this is what I kind of think is going on. It says here, ‘Warriors venture into the unknown out of greed. Greed works only in the world of ordinary affairs. To venture into terrifying loneliness of the unknown, one must have something greater than greed. Love. One needs love for life, for intrigue, for mystery. One needs unquenchable curiosity and guts galore.’ That’s what I was feeling when I wrote the ending.”
OK, but is the warrior Tony Soprano? Is it David Chase? Is it the missing Russian Christopher failed to kill in the woods? Like anything Sopranos-related, the quote means whatever you want it to mean.
Chris and Paulie killing the waiter was ridiculous. Any half wit detective investigating that case would go right back to whoever the waiters tables were. Vito being in the bakery was just Chase using a fill in actor that he didn't know he would use major later on in my opinion. But again, a teenage bakery worker getting shot in the foot and all we hear is tiny yelling at Chris for it later in the car? Cmon!! And furio almost throwing Tony into the copter blades and Tony believing that furio was just warning him for standing too close? Albeit tony was blotto
When there was talk about Tonys people killing Carmine the boss of NY.
They said he walks around KingsPlaza in the morning. That is where they were going to kill him.
Why would a boss want to walk around in that shit hole in the morning. When it opened Kings plaza was a white kid punk hangout. Who wants to walk around their back then or now. Now it's a jungle they do flash mob robberies.
