Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/24/0802:30 PM
I've got a question. In season one when Chris cracks it and pulls a gun on the guy behind the counter when picking up food, Vito is in the store but the guy behind the counter calls him Gino. What's up with that? Is he playing a completely different character?
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/24/0802:46 PM
Yeah. Joe Gannascoli, who played Vito, was a different character in that scene.
I take it that you recognized that whole scene as a takeoff on "Goodfellas" (when the young kid serving drinks to Joe Pesce was shot. That young kid was Michael Imperioli, and the scene was repeated in this episode of "The Sopranos").
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/24/0807:08 PM
Originally Posted By: olivant
Where in NJ did Tony live and conduct business?
North Jersey. I believe in the Essex County area. If you're interested, buy the Sopranos HBO book - it has a detailed map of all of the major locations of the show.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/24/0808:24 PM
Originally Posted By: SC
Yeah. Joe Gannascoli, who played Vito, was a different character in that scene.
I take it that you recognized that whole scene as a takeoff on "Goodfellas" (when the young kid serving drinks to Joe Pesce was shot. That young kid was Michael Imperioli, and the scene was repeated in this episode of "The Sopranos").
Yeah, I also noticed in season 2 when Tony's Mom dies, the Godfather scene, when they go see the Undertaker. The camera angles etc are the same and he says : I'll use all my powers etc"
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/24/0811:38 PM
Originally Posted By: whisper the don from down under
Yeah, I also noticed in season 2 when Tony's Mom dies, the Godfather scene, when they go see the Undertaker. The camera angles etc are the same and he says : I'll use all my powers etc"
I thought it was hilarious because the characters even knew...the subtleties in the acting make it a great scene instead of a cheesy parody.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/26/0802:15 AM
Originally Posted By: olivant
Where in NJ did Tony live and conduct business?
Tony Soprano lives in Caldwell, but he (and the rest of the members of the DiMeo Crime Family) conducts his/their "businesses" in Kearny, Lodi and Newark.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/27/0807:44 AM
how funny is it at the end of season 3 when Junior is singing that song and the music cuts in over it (some lady singing) and it's in perfect time with Juniors mouth. Ha ha ha ...cracks me up.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/30/0802:38 PM
After Carmella sleeps with A.J's teacher, she grabs a gun and places it under the pillow after staring at Tony's picture. My question is, does she place it there out of fear that If Tony finds out, he'll hurt her, or is it because there is no more security in the house that Tony brings?
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/30/0802:52 PM
Originally Posted By: whisper the don from down under
Originally Posted By: olivant
They don't have to show up for the jobs for which they still get pay and benefits.
Yeah, I figured that much, but how come they still get paid? We're they paid before the job started?
Its a form of extortion.
When a new construction project starts, the mob, which may control some of the unions, gets part of its share by installing some no-show workers on the payroll. These workers get paid the regular union pay (but don't do any work).
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/30/0809:48 PM
Originally Posted By: whisper the don from down under
After Carmella sleeps with A.J's teacher, she grabs a gun and places it under the pillow after staring at Tony's picture. My question is, does she place it there out of fear that If Tony finds out, he'll hurt her, or is it because there is no more security in the house that Tony brings?
I think it was more out of fear of Tony finding out about the affair. Notice Carmela's look of both apprehension and fear as she glances at Tony's picture. Great, great acting by Falco.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 05/01/0805:05 PM
Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: whisper the don from down under
Originally Posted By: olivant
They don't have to show up for the jobs for which they still get pay and benefits.
Yeah, I figured that much, but how come they still get paid? We're they paid before the job started?
Its a form of extortion.
When a new construction project starts, the mob, which may control some of the unions, gets part of its share by installing some no-show workers on the payroll. These workers get paid the regular union pay (but don't do any work).
They are one the payroll, get checks and whatnot but no work. Kind of like Tony and his consultant job at Barone sanitation.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 05/05/0805:33 AM
Oh man, when Tony kills Chrissy and then while on Peyote, starts laughing saying "his dead"...I really get annoyed. Chris had his problems but he would have never flipped.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 05/05/0804:29 PM
I was watching the Hollywood episode yesterday on Bravo. These guys were at their absolute lowest when Chris and Murmur robbed Lauren Bacall. It was almost comical that a crime family capo, an alleged "Man of Honor," would stoop to robbing a gift bag from a Hollywood party. I'm sure it was intentional on Chase's part, to let us know that these guys are just criminals at heart. Great episode.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 05/05/0811:08 PM
Originally Posted By: whisper the don from down under
The last episode still keeps me up at night.
Same for me. An idle mind is the Sopranos' workshop. lol I cant stop watching the final scene and trying to uncover what happens, even though it is actually impossible to know for sure. The writers intended it that way.
We'll see though, if there'll be a movie. It took HBO 3 years after Sex and the City ended to make movie, so Im thinking we'll hear ads for a Sopranos movie in 2010.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 05/08/0806:13 PM
Originally Posted By: whisper the don from down under
I finished the Soprano's game in about 3 hours. It is a shame it carries the Sopranos name.
I thought it was cool that they had most of the main cast in it and that you could choose between a "tough" response and a "cool" response. Other than that, there were a lot of flaws - no random wonderings allowed, small storyline, etc.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 05/10/0804:30 PM
It was just annoying how it was set out. All you do is fist fight people. They should have made it that there were different missions for each main character etc.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 05/12/0803:10 AM
Like you, when I watched the Sopranos original broadcasts I just loved everything about it. However, now when I watch the reruns, I see the characters as darker abd more sinister, and I don't enjoy them as much. What about Ya'll?
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 05/12/0807:13 PM
Originally Posted By: olivant
Like you, when I watched the Sopranos original broadcasts I just loved everything about it. However, now when I watch the reruns, I see the characters as darker abd more sinister, and I don't enjoy them as much. What about Ya'll?
I still love all of the episodes and characters as much as ever. Everytime I finish an episode, I say, "The BEST F***IN SHOW ON TV! Bring it back!" lol
The auction was held. The shirt that Gandolfini wore in the opening credits and the bathrobe he often wore (when going down his driveway to get the newspaper) both sold for $11,000 each.
They'd probably fit me, but they don't fit my budget.
The auction was held. The shirt that Gandolfini wore in the opening credits and the bathrobe he often wore (when going down his driveway to get the newspaper) both sold for $11,000 each.
They'd probably fit me, but they don't fit my budget.
Does anyone know how much the blood-stained shirt he wore when Uncle June shot him went for?
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 07/13/0805:17 AM
Originally Posted By: olivant
Like you, when I watched the Sopranos original broadcasts I just loved everything about it. However, now when I watch the reruns, I see the characters as darker abd more sinister, and I don't enjoy them as much. What about Ya'll?
I didn't really feel that way until Tony contemplated killing Paulie, my favorite character next to Tony. I was remember thinking: "Paulie? Not Paulie! Tony, what are you thinking!"
I didn't mind it as much when he killed Christopher — although I wish he hadn't — because I think Chris would have eventually flipped if he ever got disgruntled enough at Tony. The guy was off balance because of the drugs.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 07/18/0806:51 PM
In an effort to convince myself I haven't "lost" my talent for illustrating, I drew this last month. Keep in mind it's a photo of a drawing, and not the drawing itself (lighting issues make the shadows look different than normal):
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 07/20/0806:13 PM
Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
In an effort to convince myself I haven't "lost" my talent for illustrating, I drew this last month. Keep in mind it's a photo of a drawing, and not the drawing itself (lighting issues make the shadows look different than normal):
Awesome. All I can say is Tony's face is too long in the drawing, seems it should be wider, more rounded.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 08/10/0805:16 AM
In the episode "The Ride" Paulie sees a vision of the Blessed Mother up on the stage at the Bing. However, when he enters the Bing and walks past the stage, you can see the vision reflected in the wall mirrors behind him.
If its Paulie's vision, how is it that it has a reflection that the viewer can see?
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 08/10/0806:05 PM
I finally got to watch the final two episodes on Friday night. I thought it was a good wrap up to the series. I purposely avoided reading about the ending. So I guessed that Phil was going to whack Tony at the end when the Soprano family was having dinner. I was surpised that Phil's guys bailed and he was killed instead. And he could not have been killed in a better way, particuarly when the car ran him over.
So what is the general consensus of what happened that the viewer did not see? With Meadow walking in to the restaurant and that look on her face, my guess is that the FBI was ahead of her coming in to arrest Tony.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 08/10/0808:39 PM
Originally Posted By: goombah
I finally got to watch the final two episodes on Friday night. I thought it was a good wrap up to the series. I purposely avoided reading about the ending. So I guessed that Phil was going to whack Tony at the end when the Soprano family was having dinner. I was surpised that Phil's guys bailed and he was killed instead. And he could not have been killed in a better way, particuarly when the car ran him over.
So what is the general consensus of what happened that the viewer did not see? With Meadow walking in to the restaurant and that look on her face, my guess is that the FBI was ahead of her coming in to arrest Tony.
I don't know if it constitutes a consensus, but many Board members apparently believe that Tony was sunsequently murdered. I don't. I believe that Tony lives, continues to run the family, and either dies peacefully in his bed or gets murdered, but not for years. However, it's kind of silly to guess since the whole series is fiction, it can go either way, but there is nothing on which to base a conslusion.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 08/11/0812:45 AM
Originally Posted By: goombah
I finally got to watch the final two episodes on Friday night. I thought it was a good wrap up to the series. I purposely avoided reading about the ending.
So what is the general consensus of what happened that the viewer did not see?
It's split down the middle whether or not Tony lives. Clues are peppered throughout the final season that lead us to think he dies, but I disagree. (Though, in disagreeing, I don't even think he lives, either.)
My views at the time can be read here. I think I'd be able to articulate them much better now, but I haven't tried.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 08/11/0812:19 PM
I was poking around on Youtube last night and found some stuff about the last episode. Some clips were obvious fakes. But one looked legit as an alternate ending. We still see Meadow walk in to the restaurant. Then, from the vantage point of the street, we see and hear gunshots coming from inside the restaurant.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 09/25/0804:01 AM
I'm watching FRIENDS (which I thought was a very funny, if a bit too cute, show), and I gotta say that Joey Trebbiani (Matt LeBlanc's character), does more to insult the intelligence of Italian-Americans in one 22 minute episode, than THE SOPRANOS did in roughly 86 hours.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 01/14/0912:48 AM
How low the "glorified crew" has sunk...still, it's kinda nice to see any of them anywhere doing anything...of course, Sil smoked cigarettes, not cigars...
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 02/14/0912:15 PM
Holy Cannoli! That's an amazing drawing. So detailed on every part of it. That's one of my favorite Tony Soprano pictures too. Probably the best one I've seen of him. And there would be the "Made in America" title on the bottom of it. Made in America was a good title for the last episode because for 1, that was the original name of the show before they decided to call it "The Sopranos", and 2, He's Made...in America, and the Statue of Liberty is behind him..Something about that picture is really interesting to me. But anyways, that's a great picture!
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 02/28/0906:59 AM
In terms of writing and acting, "The Sopranos" is obviously one of the best shows ever to air. It's largely responsible for establishing a norm on premium cable in which writers are really allowed to do their thing. We see the effect in shows like "Dexter" and "Deadwood." Although these shows might have serious flaws, they frequently exhibit writing of a craft and subtlety usually reserved for low-grossing films. But everyone pretty much agrees on all of that. The point of this piece is to highlight some serious problems with "The Sopranos" that are ignored by most critics like Karl Rove at his senior prom.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 05/30/0907:27 AM
Chris was just a button man at that point. Didn't surprise me as you remember he robbed a game with an associate while Jackie Jr was touching himself in the getaway car. That was right after he got made.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 05/31/0903:51 PM
Max Koch is my favorite by far with the Tony Soprano videos. I have a couple of his videos as favorites on my YouTube account. He's great. I think everyone should check out his account.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 06/19/0902:55 PM
I just watched "The Legend of Tennessee Moltisanti," or Season One: Epsiode Eight of "The Sopranos."
It's funny now seeing Joe Gannascoli play a different part, because his Vito Spatafore became a pretty big part of some of the later plots.
If you've never seen it before, Gannascoli plays a customer in a bakery, who has a run in with Christopher. The Gannascoli character is a regular guy; he's not a part of Christopher's world. Anyway, the counter man pisses Chris off, and Chris shoots him in the foot.
I think it was almost tongue in cheek, because it's such an obvious homage to Spider getting shot in the foot in "Goodfellas." The irony, of course, is that Michael Imperioli played Spider.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 08/15/0901:50 PM
But it is the character in his entirity. It mirror images the scene when Tony helps Beansie blow his nose after getting run over by Ritchie. Tony is both good and evil. Imagine him before theropy!!! I doubt they would have allowed it to be shown on t.v. We all forget just what this person is and all he is capable of. Shocking because its unexpected, but why??? Thats the brilliance of this show.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 09/08/0903:20 PM
In the very first episode of the series,the pilot,when Cristohper is whacking Emil Kolar at the porkstore,they show 3 shots of some old timers...assuming they are real-life mobsters,does anybody know who they are?
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 09/08/0903:40 PM
The cut-aways are of Humphrey Bogart, Dean Martin and Edward G. Robinson.
Bogart and Robinson are actors, who made their name by playing tough guys. Martin is an Italian American singer, and a member of the Rat Pack, alongside Frank Sinatra.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 12/23/0906:20 PM
I just started watching the whole thing in order since I found a website where you can download every episode (with portuguese subtitles ). I could never watch it on a regular basis before since it aired at sunday 1 AM last time I recall.
near the end of the 1st episode - the pilot -, Chris is acting like a spoiled brat in AJ's party at Tony's house for not gaining recognition for the Kolar job and then he mentions that he "could have sold his lifestory to a Hollywood script in order to get big money", to what Tony explodes and says "do you know how many mobsters ruined it all for selling a script? do you think I didn't receive an offer?"
what exactly are they talking about? is there a Hollywood tellstory involving mobsters lifestories or is he just reacting to the Henry Hill type? anyway that episode seems a little dull overall; I can't wait to get to the real action!
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 12/30/0904:08 AM
Now, in the 4th episode - "Meadowlands" - Mikey Palmice takes a beating from Tony and that reminded me of something...
before I started watching every episode in order I caught most of the 3rd season - Pine Barrens, Jackie Jr, the rise and fall of Ralph Cifaretto... - and of course there was an episode when Ralphie takes a beating from Tony for killing a Bada Bing stripper, and then everybody including Tony became worried that a bloodshed could happen, because Tony went way out of line and that he should've whacked Ralphie then if he was all that upset, because "you should never put your hands on a made guy" and so. Tony himself says "Mikey Palmice is a made guy" in "Meadowlands" and then he beats the crap out of the guy.
is the big difference that Mikey Palmice was a regular soldier while Ralphie was a capo? the "don't fist fight a made guy" rule is worth only among high ranking members?
more: Tony's plan to let Junior feel like he's in control and use him as a lightning rod to the FBI may seem perfect but how long would it take to Junior's guys on the streets hear the word that Juniot is a puppet for the other capos? and how healthy is it for the DiMeo Family to have an old school capo used as a puppet-doll for the younger guys?
bonus: given the fact that the show is brilliant, what stands out are the mistakes - "The Pilot" is very very dull. that car pursuit action scene is lame! and the music playing in the lobsters scene with all the capos too.. (episode #3 I believe) it basically ruined the scene.
plus, what's the background on Jimmy Altieri? don't he look too young to be capo? I kept thinking he was the driver to one of them... he really looks like a giant guy from Junior's crew who keeps confrontating Tony as he busts into the restaurant where Junior seems to be all the time surrounded by his guys in "Meadowlands". even with the tense situation at the time between Tony and Junior, isn't it too offensive?
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 01/01/1009:09 AM
The Sopranos is my favorite TV show, but it does have it's flaws. New characters are introduced every season without any build up from the previous seasons. It also ruins the reality of the show when they have different or the same actors portraying the same character. Like then Vito is "Gino" when Chris shoots that man in the foot or when Father Intantola is portrayed by a different actor in the pilot. Also Tony's voice is way different in the pilot compared to the rest of the series. Minor things like this ruin the illusion for me.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 01/05/1010:00 PM
I agree that the show has its flaws but I don't think these are the ones you brought up.
I actually like that new characters are introduced and I just accept that they were out of people's minds while they were in jail. the large ammount of characters added to the depth of the show I believe, and most of their stories and backgrounds fit with the ongoing action;
and more important, you shouldn't give "The Pilot" that much credit - I learned that it was made about 9-10 months before the rest of Season 1 and David Chase didn't even know if it would be picked up and he even wanted it to be made into a movie. it amazes me that HBO didn't free up the cash to reshoot it once it was picked up and I learned from message boards folks that when The Sopranos first aired they aired "The Pilot" and "46 Long" back-to-back, probably to make the viewer forget about the "flaws" (if you want) of the Pilot, mostly because it was dull and silly and it obviously didn't even fit with the plot of Season 1 - Tony is referred to as "the Don of New Jersey" several times and Sil doesn't even know who Artie Bucco is. plus, I always wonder that he is received as a surprise guest at the pork shop, which is named differently...
So you see, they fine tuned the plot once the show was picked up and in my opinion the first episodes do a good job overall as to introduce Tony and wrap up enough things about his job and personal life to make him likeable and interesting.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 02/08/1002:46 PM
Originally Posted By: Tony Mosrite
(...) in the 4th episode - "Meadowlands" - Mikey Palmice takes a beating from Tony and that reminded me of something... (...) there was an episode when Ralphie takes a beating from Tony (...) and then everybody became worried because "you should never put your hands on a made guy" (...)
seriously, that is still bugging me...
the show is famous for lines of a given season popping up years later and everything matching and fitting but I believe there is a tiny-little-mini plot hole in there as they wanted to assure the viewer that Tony was really brave and powerful and didn't care that a made guy wouldn't just take a beating and sit tight. not that Mikey Palmice would provoke an all out mob war but he could get back at Tony before getting whacked.
PS: I know Tony kills Mikey Palmice later and that they did share a tense relationship but they even went playing golf together - of course Mikey was just escorting Junior but what I mean is, wouldn't a made guy jump at whoever's neck that beat him up? I have the feeling I'm absolutely nit-picking with that though, and I'm asking questions before the movie ends just like an annoying girlfriend
buuut, unless there is a line explaining exactly my question in the last 2 episodes of Season 1, I say they just wanted to make Tony look all brave and powerful.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 02/26/1004:01 PM
Originally Posted By: whisper
Always annoyed me how Tony in season2 just ignores the fact Junior tried to have him whacked!!! It's like he forgives him.
On one level it didn't make any sense but on a different level it was perfect for that character. As wicked and greedy and heartless as Tony is and despite the fact that he was on the verge of smothering his mother, he still had some familial love for Junior and recognized that Junior had been manipulated by Livia. Junior was a father figure for Tony.
That aside, keeping Junior around as bait for law enforcement and having Junior realize that he was just a front and that there was nothing he could do about it, was both good business for Tony and in some ways a greater revenge on Junior than getting rid of him.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 02/27/1008:35 PM
The second episode of the 2nd season is supposed to clear that Junior is no longer a threat to Tony at all. it opens with them confronting each other and ends with Tony carrying Junior. the old guy is fading fast and Mikey P was the real threat. he even agrees that Junior just did what he had to do and more important, Tony was convinced by his lawyer in the previous episode that it's good business to let Junior live.
plus he is one of the trademark characters and they couldn't afford to have Tony whack him - the audience must have something to like about Tony - why do you think Chris gets away with so much shit?
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 02/27/1008:44 PM
one thing that I was about to post is what the fuck happened in the last episode of the 1st season?
I hope I never stumble into a worse episode than that one. it provided the usual wrap ups and was indeed a good watch but there are so many silly things and out of character moments that you just can't get over
Tony literally telling his wife and shrink that he is going to have people killed? Melfi giving diagnosis on someone she never met? and how many leaps of logic did she take to be so sure that Livia planned to have Tony killed? and how many did Livia take to be so sure that Tony ordered the firing of Vesuvio? and why wiseguys kept walking all by themselves when they knew their fellow mobsters wanted to whack them? - and dating back to the previous episode "Isabella", which was great, how stupid are Junior and his crew? the head of the DiMeo Family relies on a junkie-looking middle man who hired "two girls with 9mm"??? and then kills the middleman and the guys are still up for the job?
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 02/27/1009:04 PM
Originally Posted By: Tony Mosrite
Originally Posted By: Tony Mosrite
(...) in the 4th episode - "Meadowlands" - Mikey Palmice takes a beating from Tony and that reminded me of something... (...) there was an episode when Ralphie takes a beating from Tony (...) and then everybody became worried because "you should never put your hands on a made guy" (...)
seriously, that is still bugging me... not that Mikey Palmice would provoke an all out mob war but he could get back at Tony before getting whacked.
I don't think Mikey would have garnered much support from other members to go after a higher ranking guy like Tony, who was still next in line to taker over Joisey. Tony supported the other members' interests much more than low-ranking guy such as Mikey. Ralphie on the other hand could have caused Tony lots of problems--which he did, if I recall.
the Mike Palmice beating is supposed to be less harming than Ralphie's because it was a time of great tension between Tony and Junior and the best way to look at it is that Mikey did get angry and was planning to have Tony killed all along.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 02/27/1011:32 PM
I haven't watched those early episodes in ages, but I think any notions Mikey had of whacking Tony were mostly predicated on the fact that Junior and Tony were having conflict, and Mikey thought he might be able to parlay that into his own gains. I don't think Mikey's motivations for wanting to kill Tony were personal, as you say, but for reasons of business. Mikey is clearly a notch or two below Tony in terms of earning power and rank, but he has strong ambition of rising in rank, and eliminating Tony might help facilitate that.
Mikey certainly had ambitions of being Junior's right-hand and displacing Tony, but I don't see how this could be accomplished without Junior's support. If I remember correctly, Mikey tells his wife that Junior has plans to remove Tony, and this will help his own rise in the family. But then Junior begins to back-off on the idea and at that point I don't see how Mikey could be strong enough to go at it alone against Tony, and if he did, would that not anger Junior who had reconciled with Tony at that point?
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 02/28/1005:10 AM
yes you are right and I didn't oppose it. when I say that "Mikey was planning to have Tony killed all along" I mean he was doing it through Junior, trying to turn him against Tony and eventually helping to manipulate Junior into the attempted hit.
as for Mikey P's motivations, Michael Corleone told us - in the novel, not in the movie - that they had to be personal as much as business. at least he wasn't beaten up over a civillian and in front of other made guys, like Ralphie was, but Mikey a made man himself would never sit with that and would always hold a vendetta feeling towards Tony.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 03/11/1008:25 PM
Originally Posted By: Tony Mosrite
yes you are right and I didn't oppose it. when I say that "Mikey was planning to have Tony killed all along" I mean he was doing it through Junior, trying to turn him against Tony and eventually helping to manipulate Junior into the attempted hit.
as for Mikey P's motivations, Michael Corleone told us - in the novel, not in the movie - that they had to be personal as much as business. at least he wasn't beaten up over a civillian and in front of other made guys, like Ralphie was, but Mikey a made man himself would never sit with that and would always hold a vendetta feeling towards Tony.
Did Mikey get beat up before or after Tony became privy to Junior's failed coup? I can't remember, but if it's the latter case he's lucky he didn't get more.I guess I'm just not clear on what was 'bothering' you or that you're finding contrived. Mikey was manipulating Junior to whack Tony in part b/c Tony laid his hands on him (which he shouldn't have done, and Mikey is within his rights to respond, but Tony got to him first) and partly to help his own ascent in the family. Either way, it seems Mikey was cannon fodder after Tony discovered Junior's treachery anyhow.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 03/12/1006:22 PM
Before. And no one cared about or respected Mikey. He was just Junior's little lap dog. Ralph made a lot of money and had a respectable (wiseguy) reputation.
Also, Ralph was in Tony's crew and Mikey was in a different crew.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 03/12/1007:02 PM
Thanks, LN. Mikey was definitely a lap-dog when compared to Ralphie who went back to the old days with Tony and Jackie Sr., however, I think Mikey's value lie in the fact that he was a bit more of a modern 'Wall Street' type member when compared to some of the older guys. If fact, Ralphie, Vito, and Mikey were three of the more 'modern' members in terms of the fields with which they made their earnings...Ralphie and Vito for sure, not positive about Mikey but he had the look of a new-age member when compared to some of the others. Chris, too, but he turned out to be worthless.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 03/14/1003:51 PM
It's no good trying to compare the portrayal of the Mafia's hierarchy and rules from later seasons to earlier seasons. The show's not very consistent in this respect; drama takes priority over rigorously researched accuracy.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 03/14/1006:46 PM
Capo's right. Those early episodes were designed to do little more than hook American pop-culture back into the story of the Italian-American family(s), which it did, as audiences from all demographics flocked to this show in massive record numbers. But they didn't watch because they were all astute observers of mafia rules and tradition, and the show's producers knew that.
Still, it's fun to go back and talk about all of the Mikey Palmices of the show.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 03/16/1001:39 PM
Meadow's Nostrils begin to suit the rest of her face as the show progresses. In the first season, her nostrils are fucking huge. She didn't blossom too bad as the show went on.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/12/1011:00 PM
I just watched the episode where Tony plays golf with Cusimano and his asshole professional buddies. It's one of the few times I felt genuinely sorry for Tony.
He thought he was going to play golf with the gentry, as an equal, but he was really there to satisfy their curiosity. He was like a circus act to them. He gets to play golf with a "better" class of people, and they get to go home and brag that they played golf with a real life crook.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 06/30/1011:52 AM
From NYT The Travel Advantages of a Brief Stint on ‘The Sopranos’
ALMOST all my travel is for the Nobelity Project, either shooting a film, promoting and showing a film or working with our partners on projects. I traveled to 20 countries on five continents for our feature documentary “Nobelity” and its sequel, “One Peace at a Time.”
Though the trips were sometimes grueling, it was incredible to meet with Nobel laureates like Muhammad Yunus, Steve Chu, Helene Gayle and Desmond Tutu to get their take on how we can provide basic human rights like food, water and education to every child on this planet.
Currently, I’m traveling quite a bit to Haiti, where we’re starting a school reconstruction effort in partnership with Architecture for Humanity, and Kenya, where we’re building Mahiga Hope High School, a model school for rural Africa.
It seems like I’m constantly in the air or at an airport. Because we’re a nonprofit, I’ve learned to make do with economy seating even though I’m 6 feet 7 inches tall and have to wrap my legs around my body to try to get comfortable. Fortunately, I try to stick with one airline to rack up points, and a lot of times I can snag an upgrade.
When I’m on a film trip, I bring tons of gear. I’ve seen people take a look at my carry-on and then make a beeline to another checkpoint.
I don’t take it personally. My bag is big, filled with two high-definition video cameras, a small digital still camera, batteries, chargers, tape and audio equipment. I can never check it all. If my bag got lost, I couldn’t replace this stuff quickly since I’m almost always in remote locations.
Most of my flights are long haul, and I’ve set some personal records.
I used to fly a lot from Dhaka, Bangladesh, back home to Austin, Tex. With all the layovers, it was 44 hours. I thought that was the longest flight ever. But then I beat that time when we screened “One Peace at a Time” at the Maui Film Festival.
I asked Willie Nelson, who is in the documentary, to sing before the screening. He told me he would sing if I showed up. So I flew from Nairobi to London, then on to Chicago and then Austin, to drop off my camera equipment. Then, I boarded a flight to Los Angeles and then another one to Maui. Total time: 54 hours.
I don’t mind talking to seatmates on flights. I always carry a couple of DVDs with me and hand them out. Sometimes people are really interested in the work, and that’s always rewarding.
Other times people are interested in hearing about what it was like to work on “The Sopranos.” I’m always surprised when people recognize me. I had only a small role in the series, playing Janice Soprano’s crazy boyfriend Aaron Arkaway, a born-again, narcoleptic hippie. People love the show, and no matter what part of the world I’m in “The Sopranos” always has a fan base.
I was in Nairobi recently, and I was wandering around downtown looking for a music store so I could buy some instruments for our school. I wasn’t having any luck. Then a young Kenyan man came up to me and said, “Have you heard the good news?” — one of Aaron’s most memorable lines. Turns out, he was a huge Sopranos fan and he was more than happy to help me out.
It was a fun encounter. And the good news for our school? I was able to get them a keyboard and a guitar.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 07/18/1006:56 PM
Butch gave the go-ahead re Phil. There's no reason NY would jeopardise relations with NJ by taking out the only practical and proven leader of that family.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 07/18/1007:28 PM
Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Butch gave the go-ahead re Phil. There's no reason NY would jeopardise relations with NJ by taking out the only practical and proven leader of that family.
He gave the go ahead but not to do it in front of his wife and grandkids.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 07/19/1004:41 PM
Yeah, but that's still no reason to then jeopardise relations with NJ by taking out their only practical and proven leader.
Taking out Tony on those grounds and doing it exactly the same way would have just sparked another escalating tit-for-tat war, which both families had just agreed to end.
Don't forget Phil was on the lam, and had until that point been very difficult to find; if they pass up the opportunity to whack him there and then, who knows when he'll next be found. Phil no doubt thinks family are off-limits, which is would account for why he's even with them at his time of death. (Imagine Tony putting Carmela, AJ and Meadow through the same risks...)
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 08/05/1011:02 PM
It's the DiMeo Family. The actual Boss is serving a life sentence in prison. Jackie Aprile is the acting Street Boss, and so on...
I'm not sure about the second point - maybe later on in the series Phil Leotardo's cronies refer specifically to 'the Sopranos' as a 'glorified crew' (as opposed to an actual Family), but it could just as easily be in reference to the vaguer term 'New Jersey'.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 09/12/1006:30 PM
Has anyone been watching Celebrity Ghost Stories? They seem to have a Sopranos star on every episode. Joe Pantoliano was on last nights episode. Here's Michael Imperioli's episode for anyone interested.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 10/30/1009:39 PM
'Sopranos' actress Denise Borino-Quinn dies at 46 Oct. 30, 2010, 3:18 PM EST
ROSELAND, N.J. (AP) -- Denise Borino-Quinn, who unexpectedly won a role as a mafia wife on "The Sopranos" as Ginny Sacrimoni after she attended an open casting call, has died. She was 46.
The Farmer Funeral Home in Roseland, N.J., said Borino-Quinn died Wednesday after a long battle with liver cancer. Her husband, Luke Quinn Jr., had died in March.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 11/01/1006:50 AM
RIP.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 11/02/1001:54 AM
Originally he was not going to be a regular character on the show. Same thing with Adriana. She was a hostess at the restaurant int he first episode. But they liked her so much they brought her in full time. Same thing went for Vito.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 11/12/1003:25 PM
was Janice snorting coke at thanksgiving in the episode "The Telltale Moozadell"?
I'm not sure how her character will develop so I'm guessing this is a hint on something that's about to come but I found it really odd even so.
right after that guy who keeps faling asleep gives a rant about how people shouldn't drink, Janice nods at him but Tony flashes her a signal like she's just snorted a line and has some white leftover on her nose;
couldn't she resist a line over a family dinner? and while I knew it couldn't last much long, I was buying her born again christian mentality
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 01/26/1210:20 PM
It's been so long and there's probably so much I didn't catch before. Sopranos is one of those shows you get away with watching over. DE NIRO, it definitely won't be a marathon viewing.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 01/26/1211:41 PM
I'd like to see a movie for old times sake, but i think they should leave it how it is.
Also i don't know what direction they would take with regards to a story line,And i think one film wont be enough for the film makers they would want at least two..
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 07/15/1501:58 AM
Not sure if he was ever said whether he was made. Walden Belfiore is the other guy. He was at the safe house as well. The character development in the last season was very rushed for many of the characters, so it is hard to say whether any of these guys were made.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 08/15/1505:19 PM
I always wondered how Melfi's shrink didn't recognize Tony in the parking lot.
Ok it was meant to be dark, but pretty sure Melfi's shrink knew who Tony Soprano was. They played him out to be obsessed with mobsters, how he called the NY situation lol.
"Bluto-type character", thought he would have clocked Tony's face.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 09/20/1501:58 PM
Eugene being revealed as a rat in 6.1 was not good, i really liked his character up until this point, i didn't see the point in a whole episode dedicated to him..
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 09/21/1504:19 PM
Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Eugene being revealed as a rat in 6.1 was not good, i really liked his character up until this point, i didn't see the point in a whole episode dedicated to him..
Yeah was all very rushed and no explanation.
Wasn't keen on the the whole retiring to Florida thing either.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 09/22/1505:27 PM
So when Tony and Bobby are asking Chrissy about his new goomah(Kaisha), they say that Paulie is racist and that she'd know it.
Doesn't really make alot of sense when in the next scene he is complementing how beautiful Blanca is, plus he had a Puerto Rican goomah in Season 2 was it ? The actress from Scrubs, when hes having the nightmares about Chrissy's near-death experience.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 11/30/1510:35 PM
lol finn DeTrolio, my arch nemesis
Finn DeTrolio: You weren't there for the "grand inquisition" about Vito. Meadow Soprano: Uh, I knew it. I'm picking the fight. Finn DeTrolio: I was in the back of a butcher shop with your Uncle Paulie, ratting out a guy, I don't really even know. I mean, what do you think's gonna happen to Vito, for being gay? And don't give me any of that "poverty of the Mezzogiorno" bullshit. We're in fucking Caldwell, New Jersey, and you're on your high horse about justice? They are gonna mete it out themselves.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 01/06/1603:06 PM
I like the scene where Uncle Juniors watching some daytime TV show and then explains i think its to Tony about the character - "shes a puttana this one".
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 01/12/1611:38 AM
Feech was a good character overall, but the only thing that bothers me about him is that he's supposed to be "an original", yet he sounds more American than Tony. He should've put on an accent.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 01/15/1606:26 AM
Originally Posted By: CleanBandit
Feech was a good character overall, but the only thing that bothers me about him is that he's supposed to be "an original", yet he sounds more American than Tony. He should've put on an accent.
The first time they mention feech...may have been Ralphie... he describes Feech as "a mustache from the other side"... then when he appeared he sounded nothing like an immigrant. ...
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 10/11/1612:09 PM
Scene where Bevelaqua and Gismonte are introduced to Richie.
Anyone know what Bevelaqua means, when he says "I'm back to drinkwater ?" Is it a place he lives that he's referring to ?
Richie. Donny! This is matthew bevelaqua and sean gismonte. They're both from west orange. I'm back to drinkwater. It's fucking good to meet you, richie.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 10/11/1601:05 PM
Originally Posted By: afriendofours
Scene where Bevelaqua and Gismonte are introduced to Richie.
Anyone know what Bevelaqua means, when he says "I'm back to drinkwater ?" Is it a place he lives that he's referring to ?
Richie. Donny! This is matthew bevelaqua and sean gismonte. They're both from west orange. I'm back to drinkwater. It's fucking good to meet you, richie.
Bevilaqua means drink water in Italian. Matt "drink water" he's saying he's back to using the nick name "drink water"
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 12/22/1611:36 PM
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Maybe you should lamb chop it for a while.
Furio Gunta.
"If im going i'm going with a package i'm not gonna end up like Micky Misuka he had 5 minutes to run. He ended up in some rat infested hotel down in elvis country!"
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 01/03/1702:14 PM
Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Maybe you should lamb chop it for a while.
Furio Gunta.
"If im going i'm going with a package i'm not gonna end up like Micky Misuka he had 5 minutes to run. He ended up in some rat infested hotel down in elvis country!"
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 02/12/1808:57 PM
Started watched The Sopranos from the beginning again this evening.Don't know how many times i've watched it but it's lots, never get tired of this show. Best show ever..
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 02/13/1801:36 AM
Originally Posted by DE NIRO
Started watched The Sopranos from the beginning again this evening.Don't know how many times i've watched it but it's lots, never get tired of this show. Best show ever..
I am in the middle of Season Six, watching it from beginning to end for a t least 5th Time over the years.
I like to watch for an Hour on days I workout.
Once this is done I will move on to my Band of Brothers set of discs.
Yes they seem fine when they went to hesh That was funny scene in the car when tony told carlo to start suck... Like vito lol Maybe that's why carlo flipped
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 03/03/1802:20 AM
I wonder why Bobby decides at that moment to stand up to Tony. Tony had verbally abused Janice right in front of him several times before that. I know Bobby was drunk this time, but you have to believe they'd been out drinking together before. Maybe the mountains just made him more rugged. After all, it was Pine Barrens where Tony began to respect Bobby as a legit soldier instead of just Junior's caretaker, considering Christopher might have died out there if not for Bobby's wilderness skills.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 03/03/1804:12 AM
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
I wonder why Bobby decides at that moment to stand up to Tony. Tony had verbally abused Janice right in front of him several times before that. I know Bobby was drunk this time, but you have to believe they'd been out drinking together before. Maybe the mountains just made him more rugged. After all, it was Pine Barrens where Tony began to respect Bobby as a legit soldier instead of just Junior's caretaker, considering Christopher might have died out there if not for Bobby's wilderness skills.
They did emphasize the extreme level of alcohol they were consuming which we know Tony could handle but did we ever see Bobby drink like that?
Bobbys feelings of not being able to be himself without persecution may have come to head, he could not pursue his hobbies ( the train sets), he had trouble taking care of his business ( the collection he got jacked and shot), he could not control Janis and was always trying to prove he could by aggressive behavior ( Fighting with Paulie, bustin up the carnival guy and finally, taking on Tony) without considering or remembering he is the Boss. Because he was Drunk and Blew his Top.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 03/03/1808:10 PM
The look he gives Tony after he mocks him and says "how 'bout that? how 'bout that?". Yes, he was at boiling point there. Then Tony gives his rendition of Under The Boardwalk where he works Janice into the lyrics.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 03/04/1811:20 PM
As I rewatched season six I almost skipped passed that entire scene since it was sad to me to see this happen to these two great characters and thinking of people in my own life (at another time) - who would drink to much and then brawl. It always ruined everything and I think that ruined Bobby and Tony.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 09/29/1909:34 PM
Ralph would have 3 options if he killed Tony.
1) Blow his own brains out. 2) Go on the lam. 3) Go into the Witness Protection Program.
He killed a Boss without permission. End of story. Nobody in the Soprano family liked him and he couldn't turn to anyone,no other Family,nobody. As a matter of fact,everyone in that world would want his head on a stick. You could put a bounty on him consisting of a $20.00 Satriale's Gift Certificate and they'd still be 500 guys after him.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 10/10/1901:25 AM
Originally Posted by Lou_Para
Ralph would have 3 options if he killed Tony.
1) Blow his own brains out. 2) Go on the lam. 3) Go into the Witness Protection Program.
He killed a Boss without permission. End of story. Nobody in the Soprano family liked him and he couldn't turn to anyone,no other Family,nobody. As a matter of fact,everyone in that world would want his head on a stick. You could put a bounty on him consisting of a $20.00 Satriale's Gift Certificate and they'd still be 500 guys after him.
Re: Random Sopranos Post whoring etc! - 04/15/2010:04 PM
and the more i watch season 5 the more i think tony did wrong by staying out of the ny feud he should have help carmine and take phil and john out john is greedy and tough person to deal with carmine is more stupid and easier and respectful