Season 6B, Episode 6 CONTAINS SPOILERS

"Kennedy and Heidi"

Official HBO Synopsis:
An asbestos-disposal impasse raises tensions between Jersey and New York; Tony has a revelation; Paulie gets upstaged.

TV.com Synopsis:
The Soprano and Lupertazzi crime families quarrel over asbestos removal.

This actually sounds plausible to me. Anyway, if you have a thing about spoilers, don't open this. I'll tell you, if it's true, it sounds really good.

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MAJOR SPOILERS EPISODE 6

Saw that spoiler on the website you gave me, seems very plausible. Would be the downfall of Christopher...

Yeah. I mean, there are tons of spoilers that never pan out but that one just makes sense to me. It'll be very tragic if it's true. The site has been pretty accurate with some earlier episodes this year so I'm not gonna dismiss it. I can't wait till sunday!!

Off topic - I wonder how KING OF QUEENS is gonna end ?

Hopefully the father kills both of them.

That would actually be very fitting.

I think it's safe to put to bed the "New York kills Little Paulie and Paulie's mom" spoiler. Little P has six broken vertebrates and won't be getting up soon. "Kennedy and Heidi" looks to be the episode that ignites the NY/NJ Mob war that finishes out the series.

Sunday, May 13, 2007

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

As "The Sopranos" enters its final stages as a series on HBO, could Ben Roethlisberger be ready to pick up the slack for Meadow Soprano?

Following up on a rumor, someone asked the Steelers' quarterback yesterday if he were dating actress Jamie-Lynn Sigler, who plays mobster Tony Soprano's daughter on the TV show.

"No," Roethlisberger said. "She's got a boyfriend. We just did a photo shoot together."

He did not elaborate

Kennedy and Heidi.

Kennedy as in JFK or Dr, Kennedy?

Heidi as in the Heidi Game or the movie itself?

According to a website, the following actors have submitted Kennedy and Heidi as their episode of choice to the Emmys:

Julianna Marguiles (Julianna Skiff), Cara Buono (Kelli Moltisanti), Marianne Leone Cooper (Joanne Moltisanti), Maureen Van Zandt (Gabriella Dante), John Ventimiglia (Artie Bucco), Sarah Shahi (?)

I'll try and find a link...

Kennedy and Heide are two suburban girls according the casting at Deadwood Stage spoilers.

Oh my god.

HOLLLLLEEEEEYYYY SHITTTTTTTT!!!

I didn't see that coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No shit!!! What a shocker!!!! I'm speechless.


TIS

Masterful episode. This is why that is the absolute best show on television. Wow.

WOW...did not see that coming

ABSOLUTELY!! Not only was it one of the best "Sopranos" episodes ever but it was one of the best drama shows I've ever seen!!

I'm blown away!!!!!

Wow! I can't believe that both Chrissie and Ade are now gone. And Tony?? Such a prick!! How could he?

...and who was that hottie Tony was screwing? WOW.

amazing episode

A powerful episode. One of the best ever.

But keep in mind ... we only know that Chris is gone.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT! What an amazing episode, the best this season. Chase can still provide that shock power, I was hoping "the war" would start tonight, but this was worth it! I never thought Chris would go out that way...kinda sad if you think about it... .

Very VERY dark episode... I hafta "calm down" before I can even put my thoughts down here.

No, she is DEFINETLY dead, Olivant. So your saying Sil would shoot blanks at her? C'mon! That idea is totally ridiculous, Ade is rotting away somewhere in those woods if not chopped up by Sil and moved around.

Neither did I.

That one came out of left field.

Christ, I never saw this coming! I had always figured that if Chris were to go, that Tony would be the one to whack him. But I never saw it happening like this. I don't think ANYBODY did!

Tony is a bastard.

I can honestly see Carm turning on Tony.. I think Tony falls face first the next three episodes, he has problems at home, his kid is now in a place he didn't want him to be thanks to him, Carm is starting to get tired of him agaim, Paulie is pissed, he doesn't know who he can trust, he also is starting to lose his battle with Phil.

Tony is going down!

one of the best episodes EVER. powerful stuff.

This season might surpass the first! If it weren't for "Chasing It" it already would have, but oh well.

I still can't believe Chris is dead...kinda in a state of shock, kinda like when Ralphie was killedit was totally out of left field.

I can't help but think of Macbeth when watching this show.

Tony is falling further and further into a sociopathic state. He's going to destroy everything around him. AJ is just like him too, having that little glimmer of morality intact, while the violence that surrounds them slowly destroys them.

One of the better and definitely darkest episodes. When Tony screamed "He's dead" in the casino and laughed, I got chills.

OK, some random thoughts.

Tony felt that he needed to eliminate Chris once that he was told that Chris was back using again. Tony was afraid that Christopher would be charged, and deal him in exchange.

Tony did feel relief to a certain point, but he also grieved for the boy he thought of as a son.

Sarah Shahi was the stripper T was screwing.

has that character been on the show before or? i cant remember her. that spoiler that pizzaboy gave i think around the 3 or 4th post on this thread threw me right off. im really glad i read it, just totally surprised. sad to see chrissie go tho.

I've never been completely convinced of Tony's caring for Chris. I think it was more like Tony needing someone in his business to care about so he could have an heir so to speak.

But Tony has murdered two relatives now both for whom he was supposed to have cared so much.

Regardless of whether Ade is gone or not, her name or a reference to her came up quite a bit during the episode. What does that portend?

My first thought on that was it was a mercy killing.... Tony was ending Chris' downward spiral that would have eventually killed him (and possibly Chris' daughter as well). I don't mean to suggest that Tony was doing Chris a favor (by killing him).....

Ahhh, what the fuck... I don't know what I mean...

AWESOME FUCKING SHOW!!!!!!!!!

Am I imagining it or did I see Artie Bucco (for the first time this season) at Chris' wake?

Don't forget Tony was going to kill Chris before, but his cousin, who Tony killed, stopped it..

Wonderful episode. I still am calming down. I never ever thought Christopher would go like that, and wasn't sure if he'd go at all.

Yea, Tony is a prick! I too was surprised he did drugs. Do you think he'll turn "druggie?"

A question though: I know Tony had a "revelation" this episode. At the end, when he was with the stripper, he was looking at the sunset and says, "Ok, I get it".... I didn't. Can someone tell me what this revelation was? Was it right under my nose and I missed it?

One of the best episodes that's for sure.

TIS

Now Chase is really giving us our money's worth!

I can't wait till next weeks show.

He is truly pulling out all the stops.

Only three left.

I don't think we're supposed to know what that revelation was... it belonged to Tony.

Oh, and can't you just see Paulie on one of his rampages because nobody went to his mother's wake?? He'll be pissed at Chrissy, even after he's dead. That guy has to be on the road to getting whacked. He's getting pretty crazed.


TIS

Wow.

People were complaining that the earlier episodes were weak, pointless, sucked, that garbage. But dammit, they all set up for the home-stretch and its delivered.

Damn, Tony is a cold bastard.

Funny, a friend of mine, after we had heard the report that two major deaths would occur on SOPRANOS in its last days, he predicted that it would be Chris that would be the first to go. Bada-Bing!

His second prediction?

Carmela.

Another thing, didn't it seem like Tony was opening up about his "crime" life more to Melfi than before??? He admitted murders to her. I know there's doctor/patient priveledges and such, but it seemed he said a bit too much no? Then again, I suppose with only 3 episodes left, we can't make too much out of everything, especially if the last three episodes have shockers like tonights.


TIS

Tony has been on the verge of killing chrissy a few times now or at least dropping him as a burden(The drugs-intervention)(Ade situation-when tony and ade when suspected of a relationship)(when tony told him to either be loyal to him everyday or leave tonys life) this was the final straw. Chris deserved it. He has been saved many times by just being tonys nephew and after everyting tony has done for him he is still using. He is weak and got what was coming to him.

Tony may be a bastard but wow.

He played it beautifully.

I thought Tony's revelation was pretty plain to see.

He kept losing in poker, he wasn't having good luck something was in his way. It was metaphorical of Christopher being in the way of his empire succeeding. After Chris was whacked, he was doing much better, he realized what was in his way. A cosa nostra empire cannot survive with the possibility of speech.

It goes with the saying, "lose lips sink ships".

This is Michael Corleone all over again just using people then tossing them aside when their useful is used up or they get in the way. Che Cosa Nostra!

That was a dream sequence, TIS.

I'm starting to think Tony's revelation was his realization that he is, in fact, evil.

What a phenomenal episode. Just when some people start to think that it has jumped the shark and run out of ideas, something like this happens. Thats what separates this show from all others, the constant potential threat of any character dying at any time. What other show has that possibility?

Christopher's death was portrayed very well, and for once, it occured at the beginning of the episode instead of the end, allowing us to see all of the character's reactions and the aftermath when it is fresh in our minds. Seeing him lying in that casket is a sight I never thought I'd ever see! (except for when he did it in The Basketball Diaries) Michael Imperioli did a great job in the last 8 years. He really proved himself to be a talented actor and writer and I'm sure we'll be seeing great things from him in time.

I was shocked as well. I could see that something was wrong with Chris and so could Tony. Chris was high as a kite and Tony knew something had to be done because Chris could no longer be trusted. Look at the movie Cleaver which was one straw that broke tha camel's back. Another shocker was Tony doing drugs. he falls on the floor laughing at the casino and IMHO looked like a fool. A.J looks like he is ready for a nervous breakdown.

Tony also might have killed Chris for his carelessness, had his baby been in the car it would have been dead. Tony did look at the baby seat before he suffocated Chris. In Tony's eyes Chris had used all nine lives, it was time for him go. That said, the woman in Vegas was smokin hot! Tony is a fun guy on payote!

Great Episode!

WOW!

What a wild episode.

I woke up this morning not believing that i had seen christopher die. I was/am totally blown away by this, and like most people didn't see it coming...especially this way.

Regarding the spoiler at the top of this thread, it is the exact opposite of what happens. Do you guys think that there may be an alternate version of this episode therefore there being alternate version of the next three shows? i mean it would make sense, i read somewhere that there are a couple of alternate endings.

This is the end of a show's life. Anybody and almost everybody can or will be hurt, killed or screwed up.
I see Tony's world falling apart. I see him being torn apart by the end of these last three shows. His friends dead or in jail, His family crusted, the Feds coming down on everyone.
I feel something big will happen to AJ, Meadow or Carm and the last thing you will see is a broken down Tony.
Their will be no winners, no last man standing and a death once and for all to the show.

No spinoffs, No movies, nothing. Chase ends it all once and for all.

That's sadder than Chris dying!

After last night's episode, with a "major" character getting whacked, and three more episodes to go, that yes, there will be another even more major character to go. I've said before, and more and more think, it's possible, that it could be AJ or Meadow. That would be the worst scenario for Tony.

If Chase kills off Chrissy now, you know something bigger is planned for the end. I tell myself, no more speculations :p, just sit back and enjoy the ride. It's not easy though.

All the loose ends that are and will not be tied up, I don't think will matter in the end.

TIS

What about Melfi? No one in this show is safe. I can see it now...

Episode 86, "Made in America" Final Scene

Melfi- Why all this anger, Anthony?
Tony- I can't trust anybody, not even my best friends
Melfi- Why?
Tony- I won't go into detail, but they've dissapointed me
Melfi- Well usually when friends anger one another they resolve these issues or they move on
Tony- I've chose the latter recently...
Melfi- Anthony, you realize you ARE your mother! Anything anybody does for you is not good enough for you. Only you're a criminal that lies and kills and...
(Tony pulls out a gun)
Tony- Shut the fuck up!
(Fires the gun, bullet hits Melfi in the forehead)
Tony- Bitch...
(Tony leaves the office, walks outside and starts staring at the sky)
Screen fades to black

You Know, when they made us wait, what was it 18 months or so. Not only this Season, but the one before this one. I was so pissed I could have taken a baseball bat to them. I thought it was even worst when the split this season up into two smaller parts. How dare they push the shows fan around.

But, I watched that show last night and watched Chris Die. My emotions just came alive and I felt myself get caught up in a TV show just like it was a part of my own life.

This boiler has its flame on full burn. The bastard better not let us down the last few miles.

Time and again, Tony let it be known that if Christopher were anyone else, he would've been whacked because of his drug addiction. And, as Uncle Junior once told Tony (during the intervention episode [about Christopher's drug use] ): "If a dog you love gets rabies, you put it out of its misery."

Nonetheless, Michael Imperioli did a tremendous job in the role. But as far as the character goes, I can't think of anyone I despised more, except maybe Jackie Jr. and Ralphie.

I know, I am in the minority with all of this. Most people loved the whole epic struggle of the Tony/Christopher dynamic. I'm so glad I don't have to watch him stick another needle into his arm and then Tony throw a hissy-fit.

I still don't know what to make of all this but for the first time since I've been watching the series I don't like Tony.

Maybe Tony's transformation is being done to bring us back to reality that he is a hardened mobster. There are some who liked Michael in GF. We've been used to Tony's somewhat softer side, but now we're hit with a dose of reality. It's like we wouldn't have minded having Tony for a friend, but now we remember we're not supposed to like him.

You're probably right, BUT I really don't like him now.... Seeing him "allow" the asbestos to be dumped into the waterway only added to that dislike.

Great writing. Great show!!

I think that Tony very cold-heartedly murdered Christopher, and did so to avoid being given up in exchange for drug charges. When Christopher admitted that he wouldn't pass a drug test, how would Tony know if he also could have been facing a possessions charge? If Chris had been holding, he could've been facing some serious time, and he might have made a deal to spill his guts in exchange for lesser charges or immunity on the drug charges.

However, I didn't think that Tony said, "I get it" at the end, I thought he said, "I did it," and that it was his way of confessing to Chris's murder. I think he was relieved to be rid of a potential albatross, but I think that he also felt guilt, especially after he saw Kelly nursing the baby. Just not sure.

Tony said "I get it".

I'm trying to figure out if it has any reference to the Ojibwe saying that was on the bulletin board in Tony's hospital room (after Junior shot him). Its some sort of spiritual revelation - the meaning of life (or something like that). I've never done peyote but its some sort of psychedelic that many used to take to "find themselves".

I was just shocked at how lightly Tony was taking Chris's death, especially after he was in tears talking about Chris to Melfi just a few weeks ago. However, the "I get it!" could have been Tony's embrace of his cold and ruthless self. He's been on such a long search with Melfi to make himself a BETTER person, someone not like Livia. Maybe he has decided that he LIKES being a prick.

I think the final straw was really seeing the car seat with the tree in it. The death of children has been playing a big theme lately in this season, with the episode at the lake, this one with the car seat, what could these events be foreshadowing? I never gave much thought to the people who said AJ might die this season, but now it doesn't seem too unlikely, getting mixed up in the wrong crowd and having the foreshadowing from earlier episodes.

I too had initially thought that Tony said "I did it." So I re-watched that scene several times and now see that he says "I get it." I think that SC is correct about this having to do with the bulletin board and a life and death revelation of some kind.

It definitely had something to do with when he was shot.

In an earlier scene he is staring at a round light on the ceiling, one that is similar to the light on the hospital ceiling back when he was recovering from being shot. At that moment I thought he was going to or was thinking back to when he was in the hospital recovering from the gunshot wound.

Then at the end, when the sun rises and blinks, it reminded me, and I think him, of when he was in the hospital last season and having those dreams seeing the fires, the light and the bright suns.

A revelation of some kind that bridged those life and death scenerios that he saw when he was in and out of the drug induced coma last season and what he was now seeing in his drug induced state.


Yes SC, that was Artie. When the opening credits were starting and my wife and I sat down to watch the show, I mentioned to her that we had not seen Artie at all this season. Then he appears at wake.

I think you're right SB. Maybe he's starting to believe that it's his destiny. That he's adopting a "why fight it" attitude.

It's weird, the spoiler of Tony suffocating Chris has been on http://www.thechaselounge.net for weeks, yet it's the one I found least plausible, so I didn't post it. You just never know where Chase is gonna so.

I tend to agree with SC that Tony is now at his least likeable. I wonder if that's on purpose. To make a Godfather analogy, FFC always said that after Part 1, where he was accused of making Michael a hero of sorts, he deliberately set out to destroy him. Maybe Chase has something terrible in store for Tony and he doesn't want people feeling sorry for him ? I dunno anymore.

As far as Chris, it's weird, I actually had more sympathy for him last week while he was struggling to stay sober. It was truly the best episode in many years. Maybe since the season 2 finale when Pussy got whacked. Chris' wife seemed to be a real nice old fashioned Italian girl. What was with the Jackie O look ?

3 episodes left. No matter how it ends, one thing is for sure, ther will be lots of loose ends. I agree with an earlier post that there probably won't be a movie. Tony's world is crumbling all around him. If he survives and I suspect he will, his life won't be pretty. No one will want to be Tony Soprano anymore.

I read an interview in Industry Magazine with Jamie Lynn Siegler. They asked her if there was going to be a movie. Her reply was that she really didn't know but that with David Chase anything is possible. However she did say that they've all already agreed that "IF" there was a movie, everyone from the current show would be on board to do it.

I don't think Tony killing Christopher had ANYTHING to do with the car seat. I think Tony is using that excuse to make himself feel better about what he did. Chris said he wouldn't be able to pass a drug test. That cinched it right there. If Chris is arrested, he may be tempted to flip in exchange for immunity or a lesser sentence. In Tony's mind...he had no choice. With Chris fooling around with drugs and alcohol again, Tony decided to kill him.

And he's still a bastard for doing it.

I agree, SC. For the first time...I find myself detesting Tony Soprano.

Exactly! The car seat is just another one of Tony's justifications for another one of his reprehensible acts. Don't get me wrong, as a human being, Chris was pretty low on the food chain, but in his own way he loved Tony, whether he resented him or not. I'm still shocked that Tony did it.

I always look at what peole repeat as an indication of where their mind is at. Tony mentioned the car seat several times. A justification? Tony is spiraling down. When you think about it, is he any different than in the first episode. He still murders; he has affairs; he's still angry and aggressive. One thing that I don't remember ever seeing is Tony hitting Carmela. Could something along those lines be the prelude to his denouement?

If Tony was a real life boss would he support Chris's wife and kid?

If Tony was a real life boss he would have killed Chris when it was known that Adriana was an FBI informant.

Tony has been a horible person Since day 1. I don't think anyone hated tony for killing ralph for assuming he killed Pie-O-My, but now that he killed chrissy everyone is turning agaist him. He had a better reason for killing chrissy then Ralph with the constant using he is a big strian on tonys mind.

I think it all came together at that one moment... Chris... "I will never pass a drug test" "Call me a taxi".... Tony realizes that Chris is a very weak link in Tony's empire.... Chris was useless to Tony while on drugs and he was useless to Tony while on the straight and narrow...

Also... I think it was two-pronged... Tony didnt think he was gonna make it/wanted to end his suffering as well as the "other" stuff

Totally different direction - with the possible exception of the gal that Tony dreamed about in Season 1 (the one living in next door neighbor's Cusimano's house) this new babe (with whom he did the peyote) was the hottest of the bunch.

OK, back to being bothered by Tony's actions.

EXACTLY!! I think, as a majority, that people tend to like Tony. He has been a lucky son of a bitch since day one, and for the most part, has had moral moments. I think that Chase is portraying Tony as a ruthless "lousy cold hearted bastard" so that we see that thats just what mobsters are. Personally, I think that ruins any oppertunity for a movie...

WHAT A SHOCKER OF AN EPISODE!!!! CHRISTOPHA!!! The reruns are getting so HARD TO WATCH now that Chris and Johnny Sack's gone!!

Was it just me...or did the last 10 mins of the show seem like a "filler?" Amazing episode nonetheless.

I dont know...some of the Bing girls from season 6, part 1 were pretting freakin hot...

Yeah I agree, though Sonya was very sexy, the final ten minutes were "blah". Judging by the preview next week looks like the possible start NY/NJ that we've been waiting for all these years.

i still like tony, but do agree hes headed down the shitter.

he killed chrissy out of anger for chriss weakness to stop using but also to put him out of his misery. but who is the girl chris used to know in vegas that tony was gettin high with...damn she was hott

aj looks to be getting even more depressed, the girl break-up, than a ray of light, than right back down after that bronx tale reference and if i were to say him or meadow to go, aj wont make to the end

im still wondering if anything will come of meadows "mystery date" from the last episode

juliana and artie finally made an appearance

definetly ready for this ny/nj war and to see what surprises chase still has in store


...and paulie is still pissed at everyone,dont think he'll make it to much longer

Chase has always maintained, and justifiably so, that THE SOPRANOS is more GOODFELLAS than it is GODFATHER.

I'm just wondering if the final act of THE SOPRANOS will echo "the fall of a mobster" as it did in CASINO and GOODFELLAS. You know, some mobsters were jailed, some were killed, some cooperated, yet virtually none escaped the life unscathed.

At one time or another most of us have paralleled to THE SOPRANOS to Shakespeare. How often did Shakespeare give us a happy ending ?

Well I see Silvio,Bobby, and AJ all getting killed. Carm leaving Tony, Tony goes to jail. I can't see Paulie dying, don't know why. It will be a tragic ending by my guess, and not something we'll all be happy to talk about.

I don't know...I'm beginning to wonder if the NJ/NY war will even occur. Granted, it is beginning to look more like a possibility...then again it has for a looooong time. And theres only 3 episodes left. Maybe Phil will see NJ for the weak and crumbling pathetic group of people it is and decide to let them fall apart on their own.

Then again I guess 3 episodes = about 3 hours, which is plenty of time to tell a nice long story that could possibly include a war...

Tony using drugs - he never did that before, right? I take that a s a sign that he is escaping, seeking a way out, or maybe he just doesn't care anymore.

In the episode where Ralph gets killed, Tony admits to Chris that he used drugs as a kid, but controlled it and never got addicted.

Yeah, I could TOTALLY see that. In the short dream sequence last night, when Tony starts spewing to Melfi that he actually did kill people -- and named them -- I instantly flashed back to last week's scene when Christopher drills J.T. after he tells him too much.

Tony has always been euphemistic about talking about murders to Melfi, never actually comes out and specifically says he has been involved in murders.

He knows Melfi is supposedly bound by doctor-patient confidentiality to keep their discussions secret, but she already hedged on that a couple seasons ago when she herself went to a therapist, and if Tony were to spew out details on murders, there is no way she would keep quiet.

Just like Chris and J.T., he would decide that Melfi has to go. The whole show, really, has been built around the Tony-Melfi sessions, and the asssumption that a) Tony won't reveal the true extent of his criminal activities to her, and b) she couldn't reveal them if he did.

In the end, I think both presumptions go out the window.

Tony has done drugs on several occasions, including snorting coke with Adriana.

I can't get this episode out of my head. Seeing Tony on the casino floor was really shocking to me for some reason. I realize he was on drugs, but talk about out of character. I can't help but think it may very well end with Tony losing absolutely everything through his own carelessness.

I'm curious as far as next week's episode, if Tony regrets or shows any late remorse for not only killing Christopher but for his drug experience and just his whole demeanor. If not, he's going down.


TIS

This whole season has been about the downfall of Tony and making him seem worse than ever before it seems like.

I know predictions aren't worth anything when it comes to the Sopranos, but if Paulie makes it through the finale without getting whacked, I'll be very surprised. He's not as funny anymore as much as just plain nuts.


TIS

Tony didnt kill Chrisopher. He lent a hand.

So did Tony kill Chris? I didn't get that.

Does anyone remember what that sign in his room said? I can't find it anywhere.

Not 100% certain but I think it was, "Sometimes I go about in pity for myself and all the while a great wind carries me across the sky".

What show were you watching????

Saw the episode last night - top notch.

After the previous episode, folks here were looking for a Tony redemption. I expressed a direction of implosion. After watching this episode.....implosion.

Now I'll go out on a limb. The only redeeming character of the whole family will be AJ. I think he is almost over Blanca. He shows an interest in college and he is showing a distaste for the junior mob. He is with them in body, but he looks like an unwilling participant. In the psych's office, he rhetorically asks, "Why can't everyone get along."

In the end....Carmela walks out on Tony, Meadow runs off with her mystery man and AJ joins the Peace Corp. Tony is left in house watching Godfather II, the camera shows the TV set with the scene of Michael sitting in the chair on the lawn with the leaves blowing around him - he's alone; his family has desserted him or he's killed them. Michael and Tony; two of a kind.

Thats the quote- word for word. Actually, it can be applied to most people, IMO.

I have to applaud your finale scenario. It's not as good as mine, but it's still pretty good.

Tony reminds me of the classic organized serial killer who becomes disorganized as his frenzy for murder grows and becomes out of control. That is what happened to Ted Bundy, who was very smooth and could easily speak his way into a woman's trust, to such an extent that dozens of women willingly went with him. He would dump their bodies in the woods, and, if he had left evidence, nature had taken it away by the time their bodies were found. Then, after his escape from the Colorado jail, he went insane down in Florida and attacked the young girls in the sorority house, leaving tons of evidence behind him.

Tony reminds me of Ted Bundy in that way. He is spiraling downward, losing control of everything, especially of himself.

Ditto Babe.

You know, I have always liked Tony just as I liked the Godfather. But I never saw the Godfather actually do anything bad until GFII and then what he did was to people who (to use a term) deserved it. I don't like Tony anymore. In fact, I am struggling between wanting to see how it all comes out and not watching the remaining episodes. Funny, isn't it?

I feel the same way. I think the final episodes, however the outcome, will be of Tony finally losing what's left of his sanity.

Tony has been losgin it ever since Tony B. came back he hasnt been as effective as he was in the previous seasons b/c of Tony B. I think he has alot to do with tonys S. downfall and not being able to trust the people around him b/c his kin stabed him in the back.

Did anyone notice when tony threw the cleaver mug in the bushes how the camera paused as though the ducks were going to come back?

Yes, I noticed that too.

I was watching a rerun which I had forgot about where Carmela goes to a psychiatrist who really lays it on the line to her about her life and husband. She acknowledges Tony's criminal and immoral behavior. I wonder if that will be reprised.

The 2 girls in the car that Chris swerves to miss.

IMHO Carm is living in a dream world because she knows what Tony is and that he will never change. Carmela puts up with it for the perks.

Carmela, in her own way, is just as hypocritical and as bad as Tony. They were made for each other. She talks about being a good catholic, gets involved in church functions, and then reaps the rewards fully knowing that they are a result of the criminal acts that her husband is involved in. And like Tony she can be a vicious son of a bitch when she has to be.

I've been interested in other people's opinions beside the BB, just to get an idea if we are all thinking alike I guess. Anyway, check out this article. Evidently there are those who, like Olivant,still think Ade is alive. He's not alone (read some of the comments if you have the time)

SOPRANOS' FANS GET NO REVENGE FOR ADRIANA'S DEATH -- YET


"I like to think I'm tough to shock, especially when it comes to fictional characters, and especially with a show like "The Sopranos." But not only was I surprised that Tony killed his almost-son Christopher, I was shocked at how matter-of-fact the murder was..... (click link for whole story)


Sopranos


If I lived anywhere near any of these filming locations, I'd get a real kick out of it. For you locals (not locos ) Do you guys know what this person (from the comments section) is talking about? Is there no such place?

"Did anyone from North Jersey notice the sign for the garbage disposal plant that was removing asbestos? It read East Haledon , NJ. Now I grew up in North Haledon, NJ and went to Manchester High in Haledon , NJ , but East Haledon ?? Keep it real will ya!!"


TIS

Thanks for that link, TIS. Interesting.

minchia, can we stop with the ade already?

Ha ha! I know. If you read the readers' comments in the link I posted, it does sound much like the BB discussions regarding Ade.

TIS

When Tony kept looking at Christopher right before the wreck, what was he looking at? Christopher didn't look drunk or stoned.

Also, Tony tells Melfi that Christopher's mother Joanne was his cousin. I thought she was Carmela's cousin.

Are you kidding? Chris kept fidgiting and moving oddly, like drooping his head and getting easily distracted. I knew he was on Heroin as soon as he was just staring and drooping.

Dickie Moltisante is Carmella's first cousin while Chris' mother is Tony's cousin as well.

He kept retuning the radio. Plus he was conversing with Tony the whole time. He even looked over at Tony several times. What was he fidgeting with except the radio? What were the odd movements? He had enough acuity to retrieve a cd and put it in the player. Staring? Isn't that called watching where you're driving? I still don't get it.

So, were they cousins on Tony's mother's or father's side. I don't remember her and Tony together too much or the cousin reference.

At the meeting.

He looks around and fidgets a lot. He is acting paranoid and high.

What constitutes a fidget?

A fight between two midgets.

Classic!

When Tony goes around to Christopher... Chris is talking nonsense and spitting up blood... he is taking Chris out of his misery.

When AJ says "why cant we all just get along" I believe that is one of his last cries before he actually completes his move to the dark side. AJ is in. Its just a matter of time.

Man.... we sure have different takes on this show!!

The only one being put out of misery (when Tony killed Chris) is TONY!! (FWIW - I thought, at first, that Tony was doing that as an act of mercy.... but after thinking about it I realized that Tony killed Chris only to save his own neck).

As far as AJ... his "Rodney King" takeoff ("Why can't we all get along") was a cry of frustration and confusion over why we're so incompassionate to others.... its not a sign he's flipping. If anything, I think he'll go the opposite way and become a decent person because of his sensitivity to others.

Well AJ was never a terrible person to begin with. He was just a major fuck up during his teen years. I think he realized that he can do something with his life by going back to college and see's what could happen if he joins the mafia (the two Jason's).

I agree SC. If AJ doesn't completely meltdown and end up in the nuthouse, I'm starting to think that he'll be the only Soprano to be redeemed.

Is that why Tony bagan to dial 911 and then stopped? To take Chris out of his misery? Or was it because he realized that if Chris lived and was found to have drugs in his system that he would have been busted and could have turned state's witness against Tony to make his own deal?

My friend, I think that you need to re-watch that episode.

Tony murdered Christopher. The episodes before this set the stage, and the conversatiosn with Melfi after he killed him confirmed it.

This morning on WFAN radio Lorraine Bracco was interviewed (bad interviewee BTW). The host, David Gregory claimed to be a big Sopraon fan. He asked her why she thought Tony killed Christopher. Her answer: he was a liability and a disappointment. He was suppose to be Tony's successor.

As DC observed above, Tony stops in the middle of the 911 dial. I don't think he was reviewing Christopher's body of work or lack of....he was thinking short term. Drugs in his system, cops, testimony, he'll flip.

Was Christopher saving Tony by telling him about the drugs in his system.....did Chris think Tony would kill him? Maybe. Under the circumstances, maybe Chris wanted out...permanently.

Back to Bracco - Gregory asked her what was going to happen with Melfi. She said, you'll be surprised.

I've seen Bracco interviewed several times and I agree, she seems to be a bit aloof.

I chaired the marketing committee of our local United Way and she was the Honorary Chairperson (either of their board, or of their Day of Caring, can't remember). She showed up at events and was very charming, and even volunteered to host things at her home.

It's strange to see her in character as Dr. Melfi, then has the cocaine snorting mafia wife in Goodfellas.

Yeah, that's quite a contrast. That's why she turned down the role of Carmela (although we've never seen Carmela do drugs) she didn't want to play another mob wife.

Tony murdered Christopher because he was a liability, because Tony was damn tired of trying to straighten him out, because Christopher was a danger to his kid: all those reasons. Yes, Tony didn't call 911 because he realized those things and this was an opportunity to get rid of him. He was relieved.

As far as AJ goes, didn't he throw the guy's bicycle across the street? I think he's hugely conflicted, but his actions are taking him down the wrong path.

Well, at the very least he's conflicted about it. His meltdown in the shrink's office showed us that much. I kind of feel for him now. I'd love it if he was saved, spared from his father's lifestyle and depression.

Did anyone catch Michael Imperioli on Letterman last night? I intended to watch, but I feel asleep.

Oh crap, I didn't even know.

hey, i'm really glad to see that there is alot of discussion on this great episode. the last five episodes didn't get past the second page i don't think. anyways there is this video on youtube where the director put together a "six feet under" style ending for the sopranos. check it out, great song...and i think he used good clips for everyone. especially for tony's "death". here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9xoM7KZU3g

The scene reminded me a lot of "A Bronx Tale" (when Calogero was drawn into the fight against the bike riding blacks)... AJ, much like "C" was somewhat compelled to back his friends even though he was in disagreement with their reasons.

I think AJ felt genuine conflicting pain by his actions (much like "C" did).

That aside, its somewhat ironic that the pine barrens in southern Jersey are now experiencing a terrible fire... it was just announced that five miles of the Garden State Pkwy are closed due to smoke conditions. That is, the supposed area in which Chris and Paulie were lost while trying to kill the Russian "interior decorator" ( ) a few seasons back. (That episode WAS my favorite "Sopranos" one before seeing this past week's).

I hope MaryCas' property will be OK (dunno how close he is to the fire).

Sounds like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Yeah.... and one of them is a rotten apple.

Seeing AJ these last few episodes, involved in violent activities, partying, going to the shrink one week and saying how good he feels and then going the next week and showing how conflicted he was within himself, has really reminded me of how Tony started out in the begining of this series with his actions and his conflicting Melfi sessions.

That's why I'm quietly hoping he redeems himself, that he breaks the chain to that life and thought process.

Well we really dont see it all that different... I did put a wink there... I know what was going on there...

We have seen Tony get soft like AJ.. and then go Looney.... so AJ is infancy stage IMO.

I didn't want to start a separate topic on this, so here goes. Why is Tony's sister Barbara in the series? Is Chase saving her?

Also, after watching reruns, when Pussy didn't come back from looking at the boat with Tony, Sil, and Paulie, didn't Pussy's wife report that or become suspicious?

I saw him. It was a very short interview, and they did a little skit, as if he were giving up spoilers. I was sorry I waited up to see it.

Dude, why do you care? its over, let it gooo

E niente a te!

Hey Rocco, if you don't like his question or don't care to answer it, then just move on. This IS a Sopranos thread and his question is about the Sopranos.

Olivant, I happened to watch the re-run on A&E last night when they killed Big Pussy. I believe that his wife initially thinks that he has run off and eventually Tony puts the word out that Pussy probably went into the witness protection program.

Good points. If Chris lived he might have done a henry Hill. Hill was locked up for narcotics and realized his out was to testify against his friends. On the subject of big Pussy's death, Tony decided to add insult to injury by stating that Pussy was a rat. Remember when Tony went off on Carmela when Carmela stated that she met Pussy's wife in a store, "I don't want to hear about him or his $%&8 wife, he was a rat so let his wife worry who is going to take care of her." Tony also pulled the same senario with Jackie Aprile Jr by stating that Ritchie was a rat when in fact he wasn't.

I LOVE the "Pine Barrens" episode. Having Paulie and Christopher trapped in an impossible situation together lead to some fantastic exchanges between the two. Quite possibly the most hilarious episode of the series!

O yea the "Pine Barrens" is the second best episode in my opinion.

Only Steve Buscemi could have directed that epsiode!

Paulie: He was an interior decorator
Chris: Really? His house looked like shit...

True enough, but my question is a temporal one. Pussy leaves with three of his companions all well known to his wife. His wife sees him leave with them, she knows where they're going, and she can figure it might take a few hours. He never returns and there's nothing from his wife such as "Tony, where's Pussy? He was with you guys. Where'd he go?" Also, his wife was close to Carmela. Don't you think she would have told Carmela that they all left together to look at a boat?

Its been awhile since I watched that episode... are you SURE that Pussy's wife knew where he was going? Don't forget, Pussy had been disappearing for various lengths of time then (while he was cooperating with the Feds).

I think this episode was on A&E 3 weeks ago. Tony and Paulie (I think) stop by the house to pick Pussy up. Tony pretends to use the bathroom, but snoops around and finds Pussy's wires. Then they all leave. I think there was talk of a boat.

Exactly.

I watched that epi. last night also. Sad part was when pussy asked them not to mess with his face.

I did get a kick out of seeing Tony having food poisening.

While Tony is upstairs snooping around, Paulie and Pussy and his wife are sitting at the table drinking coffee. The last thing Tony says is something like "let's go buy a boat." Again, I'm making a temporal point. Pussy leaves with these guys and doesn't return. He's doesn't go on a few days trip with them; they don't come back and say "We woke up and Pussy was gone." It's to look at a boat which is a few hours at best. Surely, his wife asked Tony "Hey, where's Pussy?" What are they gonna say?

They would have said something like, "The fat fuck probably went into the Witness Protection Program".... its their word (three guys) against no evidence that they didn't know what happened to him (they could have easily lied).

I know you think Pussy's wife would never believe them but she undoubtedly found Pussy's wired microphone and she may have expected that he was cooperating with the Feds. Whether she believed them or not isn't really the point here... Carmella and others she may have turned to for some "support" believe Pussy was a rat.

Pussy was particularly rotten to her that season. Remember her cancer scare ? He was real sympathetic, huh ?

I really can't imagine that she cared much. I mean she cried when he came home from his initial disappearance.

It appears she did much better without him. I assume his sons did, as well. No mention of them shitting in the shower.

Hmmmm... both Bompensiro's and Spatafore's kids had pussies for a father.

(couldn't resist)

Pussy's wife reminds me of Morrie's wife in Goodfellas. She was frantic when he didn't come home. Are these women total baffoons? They know what their husbands do, but they feign ignorance when they go "missing".

i dont mind his question, i have nothing against the guy, but th thread is about episode 6 of the NEW season, not episode 13 of season 2. i just didnt find it relevant to the thread.

TRUE, this thread got severely sidetracked.

As much as you made me laugh ..... uh, no... Pappa Spatafore's thing could never be mistaken for THAT!

chris has been my favorite character on this series, but lets face it he was an addict and borderline junkie. IF he was to somehow survive the wreck the kid would have eventually either been killed, get killed or get his family hurt

tony killed him first off bcuz he was looking out for himself and to save himself from chris turning. but he was just tired of seeing the kid on drugs, from season one hes been on drugs and tony was Always on him for it, it was only a matter of time b4 he destroyed himself or in this case ruin tonys life too, so tony just saw an oppurtunity and took it.

You're still missing my point. He went out to look at a boat with Tony and Paulie. She knew this. That takes a few hours. He doesn't come home from the "three hour tour" with Tony and Paulie. She doesn't call the police? Tony and Paulie open themselves up to a possible murder investigation, both state and federal? I'm not buying it. I think Chase could have done a better job of disguising this murder.

ir wanst paulie the wife knew about it was sil.

She knows who they are and what they do. What makes you think she's stupid enough to ask?

I don't think Chase wanted to waste a couple episodes on Angie pondering what happened to her husband.

Didn't Tony smash her car windows in an episode and tell her that her husband became a rat?

Yes, he did.

This will be my last post on this subject. I appreciate everyone's answers. But, they miss my point. If Tony and the guys had taken Puss on a fishing trip over a couple of days and he had taken his own car, I could understand how his wife might believe that he could, in that circumstance, had the time to decide on going into the protection program. In that circumstance he had his own car so he could drive where he wanted. But she knew he was just going to look at a boat, who he was with, and whether or not he took his own car which he probably had not done. So, when he doesn't return in a few hours, surely she's not going to believe any bull about the protection program. If it were me, I'd have a million questions like "He left with you Tony. Why didn't he come back with you?" It just doesn't make sense to me.

I understand exactly what you're saying olivant. But like Godfather, perhaps some scenes aren't shown on tv because it does't fit the time allotment. Unless Tony drove Pussy to his new hide out, how'd he get there. They shouldn't have even mentioned Tony talking to Pussy's wife. She should know from his lifestyle that if he didn't come back, then he's sleeping with the fishes. She would know not to ask questions unless she wanted to join him.

My guess is she wanted to live.

Well, either it was sloppy writing by Chase (he could have just as easily waited till Pussy was at the Bing to ask him to look at the boat) OR Chase figured that Tony's mindset was no body, no crime. Even if Sil or Paulie ever went bad (unlikely), Pussy's body would be VERY difficult to find, if not impossible.

Pussy is dead and so is Ade. Chris going was the icing on the cake for Tony for now the only one that can destroy Tony is Tony. Getting high and rolling around the floor is one way to start his downfall. Paulie will never talk for if Tony thought he would Paulie would not have come back from the fishing trip.

As my earlier post said and a few others have touched on...Angie must have had these questions, but verbalizing them would be detrimental to her health and she knows it.

Here is Paul's buddy Frank Vincent on The Jimmy Kimmell show on May 3rd. Not a great reveal, but fun none the less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FB0FmFoVVQ&NR=1

Maybe it was the mood I was in last night (I watched about six episodes in a row and finished at half five this morning), but looking back, I'm a tad disappointed with how lazily things were dealt with this season, this episode in particular.

It had none of the psychological complexity of previous seasons - I think that peak was achieved in seasons 4 and 5.

I feel a bit cheated, to be honest, that characters we've come to be fascinated by for seven years, week in, week out, are dealt with and killed off without any sort of emotional swamping. Although I'm against it normally, I think the actors and the writers are capable of milking certain situations and pulling it off without seeming too indulgent. They did it when Tony was in hospital last year, you got a real sense of the gravity of the situation.

But this season, Chrissy's death really annoyed me, for starters; not so much the death itself, but the way his character just disappeared after that. I liked how it was all set up prior to that, too, the way we really feel for Christopher (in many ways he was the main character in the episodes before this), but Christ, now we're onto the sort of shallow callousness of The Godfather Part II. I think it was a fantastic opportunity for Gandolfini to stretch his acting chops, but instead we're reduced to a whisper of "He's dead" in a casino.

The episode's dark streak reminded me of the season four opener, in which Tony edged Chris into killing that cop, "avenging" his father's death; but I used to hate that episode, and now I really like it, so I can't wait to revisit this, and the season as a whole.