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Other families after '55?

Posted By: Turnbull

Other families after '55? - 10/01/22 07:48 PM

During Anthony's party, Neri shows Michael photos of Fabrizzio and tells him that he runs a pizzeria in Buffalo, under the name of Fred Vincent. "He's in this country illegally...came in around 1956, sponsored by the Barzini Family."

That set me to thinking: What became of the other NY Families after Michael had their Dons whacked, and then left for Nevada? Evidently the Barzini Family was still in business, and apparently paid off a debt to Fabrizzio.
Posted By: lucab19

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/02/22 01:17 AM

1956 sounded way too late, so I just watched the scene in question. Neri definitely says 1956. So why wait so long - nearly 10 years? Where did Fabrizzio hide in the meantime? It's not like he could hide out in Sicily. Maybe FFC recognised the incongruity and that's why it was omitted?
Posted By: mustachepete

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/03/22 12:19 PM

The novel's obviously of limited use for this question, since the family configuration is so different. It does say that several top Barzini and Tattaglia capos switched sides after the massacre, which could imply that some rump was left that did not. So maybe Michael just consolidated within what he thought were defensible areas?

The novel seems to link the name of the family with the name of its leader 100% of the time, so that could imply that Barzini had a son in line to replace him.
Posted By: Lana

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/06/22 04:08 AM

I am confused!
1. If Fabrizzio was sponsored by the Barzini Family, how "He's in this country illegally...”?
2. what debt?! Michael was still alive

My take, makes no sense to me as to why Barzini's family would bother with Fabrizzio “apparently paid off a debt” when Barzini is dead [if the Baptism murders were in 1955] and the family is in disarray, pretty much exterminated! just ask Paulie....

Besides “1956 sounded way too late” indeed

Don Tommasino's a hundred button men on the street twenty-four hours a day and that Fabrizzio never showed one hair on his ass! and managed "to hide out in Sicily" until his escape to America and running a pizzeria in Buffalo
How's the pizza in this Pizzeria?!

If so, Don Tommasino, Michael and their men were asleep at the wheel!
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/06/22 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Lana

My take, makes no sense to me as to why Barzini's family would bother with Fabrizzio “apparently paid off a debt” when Barzini is dead [if the Baptism murders were in 1955] and the family is in disarray, pretty much exterminated! j


Of course it doesn't make any sense! That's why I started this thread--to see if any insightful posters here could offer some constructive ideas,
Posted By: Evita

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/06/22 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by Lana

My take, makes no sense to me as to why Barzini's family would bother with Fabrizzio “apparently paid off a debt” when Barzini is dead [if the Baptism murders were in 1955] and the family is in disarray, pretty much exterminated! j


Of course it doesn't make any sense! That's why I started this thread--to see if any insightful posters here could offer some constructive ideas,

My two cents worth!
No doubt it is nice, fun to flesh out the different insightful, constructive opinions, interpretations, speculations, knowledge of the Forum members, in the spirit of the Board which opens the door to more discussions, no doubt enriches our understanding and enjoyment of the movies and the novel, the fuel that keeps the Board active and keeps us conversing half a century on

and to coin a phrase, is the act of a Godfather friend!

As regards the other NY Families, I reckon, their capos switched sides after the massacre, and were given a living but never discussed the Family business with them or the New York detectives had them on possession, bookmaking, murder 1, and a lot more.

That's why there was no one, to whack the only Don, last man standing!
Posted By: Lana

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/07/22 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by Lana

My take, makes no sense to me as to why Barzini's family would bother with Fabrizzio “apparently paid off a debt” when Barzini is dead [if the Baptism murders were in 1955] and the family is in disarray, pretty much exterminated! just ask Paulie....

Of course it doesn't make any sense! That's why I started this thread--to see if any insightful posters here could offer some constructive ideas,
Ref: my previous post which was based on 1955 and 1956 “Of course it doesn't make any sense!” if
  • [the Baptism murders were in 1955]
  • “...Fabrizzio came in around 1956, sponsored by the Barzini Family." after Barzini is dead and seemingly the Barzini family no longer in business....

However if Fabrizzio came to America prior to the Baptism murders, it makes sense! Barzini paying off their “debt”
  • Fabrizzio's assignment was to plant the bomb in the car which he did successfully – mission accomplished
  • Apollonia drove the car before Michael - was not Fabrizzio's fault

Quote
Michael: Fabrizio!
Fabrizio Yes...
Michael: Prepara la macchina [get the car]
Fabrizio Are you driving yourself, Boss?
Michael: Yes...
Fabrizio Is your wife coming with you?
Michael: No -- I want you to take her to her father's house til I know things are safe...
Fabrizio Okay -- anything you say, Boss

  • Fabrizzio even made sure, the driver would be Michael not Apollonia
  • I doubt Fabrizzio could have done anything more....
Posted By: Evita

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/09/22 12:00 AM

I will have to search for that passage but as I remember it is fleshed out in the novel that if Michael had died as if the attempt was to kill Don Tommasino and even Vito wouldn't have suspected the bomb was actually meant for Michael

However Fabrizio seriously think, he wouldn't be the prime suspect in planting the car bomb
The lure of US, temptation and greed blinded him to the obvious I reckon dead man either way
Posted By: Lana

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/09/22 04:04 AM

Don Tommasino was nowhere near that car rigged with the bomb?

I think Calo, the other bodyguard, was killed in the bomb explosion in the novel but not in the movie [Calo was in Godfather 3]

Was Michael going to Don Tommasino's place?
I suppose Michael didn't go to The Vitellis with Apollonia thus removing himself, the target, similar to leaving Tahoe after the shooting

Fabrizzio had made it known in no uncertain terms, he was desperate to get to America
Quote
Fabrizio: (as an American Army Jeep drives past)
Hey, hey, take me to the America, G.I.! Hey!
(then, to another Jeep)
Hey, hey, hey, take me to the America, G.I.! Clark Gable! Eh!
(then as a third Jeep drives by)
America, America, va! take me to the America, G.I.! Clark Gable!
Posted By: mustachepete

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/09/22 04:40 AM

From the novel:

Quote
Vito: "...I’m surprised, though, that Barzini still made a last try at you.
Maybe it was arranged before the peace talk and he couldn’t
stop it. Are you sure they were not after Don Tommasino?"

Michael said, ‘That’s the way it was supposed to look. And
it would have been perfect, even you would never have sus-
pected. Except that I came out alive. I saw Fabrizzio going
through the gate, running away. And of course I’ve checked
it all out since I’ve been back."
Posted By: Evita

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/09/22 10:26 PM

Thank you Pete However it will leave with one little technical problem. Ahh --

Originally Posted by Lana
Don Tommasino was nowhere near that car rigged with the bomb?

The explosion was at the villa they were staying, so how it was supposed to look they were after Don Tommasino?"

Michael was not going to Don Tommasino's place
He was going to another villa near Siracusa because their current villa has become too dangerous
Posted By: mustachepete

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/10/22 12:26 AM

It seems very likely that Don Tommassino lived at the doctor's place, or was at least residing there. It's referred to as "his villa" at least once, he leaves from there in the morning, he returns there at night. Does Tommassino have a place, other than the doctor's?
Posted By: Lana

Re: Other families after '55? - 10/10/22 04:07 AM

Don Tommasino's Villa
You are right!
Don Tommasino's Villa is featured in several scenes throughout all three parts of the Godfather trilogy
It is the villa where Apollonia died in a car bomb hit and the villa where Michael dies at the end of part 3

I don't know this doctor -- but seems strange that the said Villa which one would think have 'impenetrable' security like Tahoe! has become too dangerous for Michael
Quote
Don Tommasino: [In Italian] -- Eh -- This place has become too dangerous for you -- I don't think you're safe here
I want you to move to a villa near Siracusa, right now -- Subita, eh?

With folks like Don Tommasino! on the job from 9 to 5!! [Ref: Dolly Parton]
Originally Posted by mustachepete
Extract: he leaves from there in the morning, he returns there at night
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