The Baptism did not take place in 50

Sorry but the Baptism simply could not have taken place in 1950 here is why:

Anthony Corleone was three years old when the baptism took place, So if it took place in 1950 then he would be born in 1947

Now if Michael and Kay got married and had a kid in the same year then that all would have happened in 47.

Since Michael said it had been longer then a year since he got back he would have returned in early 46 going by this timeline.

Since the Turk was killed in late 45/early 46 then it would not be possible for this timeline to work because Michael spent a good amount of time in Sicily

So the end point is that it is simply impossible for the baptism to have taken place in 50 because all of the events in the movie cannot take place in only 5 years

Of course Michael Francis Rizzi's baptism didn't take place in '50. That's proven not only by Vito's tombstone, but also by all the 1955 cars shown in the baptism and Great Massacre scene.

Well TB, while the props say '55, I still say '50/'51.

Read what i posted above, it is simply not possible for all these events to happen in only 5-6 years

Agreed. And 11 years old is a little long in the tooth for first communion. And considering the parties those crazy Catholic Sicilians throw for a first Communion, I really don't think they would delay such a landmark event for Anthony.

Good for you.

Big deal. You still say Adriana LaCerva is alive, too.

Just wait for the Sopranos sequel.

Ok..
Vito gets shot in late 1945. We know this because Tom tells Sonny "this is almost 1946,"in the meeting when they are discussing what to do, which has no relevance to anything except the timeline.

The meeting with Michael and Sollozzo had to come within a few weeks of that, so it is safe to assume he got to Sicily in 1946.

How long was he there? Hard to say. I would guess at least two years. There's his courtship and wedding, which only happened after he got bored from being pent up in the Villa. Also his Italian got very good, and his closeness to Dontomassino was well established.

The truce was probably made in late 47 or even 48 and I'd guess it probably took Vito and Tom a few months to work out all the legal obstacles to Michael's return because he had to be "cleared of all of these false charges" connected with the "Sollozzo business."

He is back a year, maybe more, before he proposes to Kay so that takes us to 49. He marries Kay and she must have Anthony, if we are to believe he was 7 when he was baptized in 1958 in 1951. Seems like too long a courtship, and/or too long for her to get pregnant, but who knows? But assuming Anthony was born in '51 he would have been 4 when he saw Vito die, and the child in that death scene looks about 4, which puts Vito's death as 1955. Because there are tomatoes growing, we can assume it is summertime.

I don't think the killing of the heads of the families was much longer after that, BUT if this is all true then when Questeadt or the Senator asked him if he engineered the killings of the heads of tha families in 1950 to consolidate his nefarious power, his answer was truthful! So there goes one of the perjury traps! Sorry, Olivant.

This would mean the property and house in Tahoe was already there, and maybe remodeled or whatever to accommodate Mamma and Tom, Fredo, Connie, et al. but this raises another question. Why was there a For Sale sign on the Mall's wall? In II Michael tells Frankie that he was glad this house didnt go to strangers. Was that a different house?

Okay DT. But a few things to consider which I'd like to take a little at a time. When did the Dons meeting take place? I say summer of '46. Why? Well, Vito is returned to the mall from the hospital in February '46. Once Sonny is murdered, Vito rises from his sickbed. So, if the truce was made in '47 or even '48 as you state above, then Vito lay in his sickbed from February '46 until .... ? If until '47, then he lay there 10 months. If '48. even longer. Plausible? He was 60 years old at the Dons meeting. His birthday was in December of '45. He had been shot 5 times. Is it plausible that he was in his sickbed for almost a year? Yes. But I maintain that it's only plausible, but not likely. So, if Sonny is murdered during the war of 1947, then, indeed, Vito lay in his sickbed for at least 12 months and, thus, one element of your timeline fits.

The little boy who portrayed Anthony was actually three years old. Vito's tombstone lists that he died July 29, so we can safely presume the Great Massacre happened only a few weeks later, somewhere in August or September at the very latest.

I think we shouldn't refer to the tombstone, because it's more likely than any other things in GF a movie mistake.
GF2 completely messes up any timeline.

Apparantly the July 29, 1955 day of death was not a mistake otherwise it wouldn't have been confirmed by the official timeline. Only his day of birth was changed and subsequently confirmed by the timeline.

The sentator's statements obviously were mistakes, such as stating that Michael killed Sollozzo and McCluskey in 1947, while that is out of the question.

Hey, these were violent times! I think that most of the kids got killed and replaced by younger siblings or older adopted ones given the same names.

Doesn't Vito's tombstone give a birth date other than December 7?

Another conflict DT.

Wow I am getting really conflicted about these films.

Tell me about it! See, if Puzo and FFc wold have just consulted us before filming the Trilogy, we could have avoided all of this.

Sonny which official timeline are you referring to? I haven't seen any real timeline

The timeline provided by the Blu-ray or DVD of the Trilogy.

Was that Senator on Michael's payroll? Maybe he deliberately changed the dates of those transgressions in order to clear Michael of whatever perjury charges he could.

Interesting, i have never seen this timeline , oddly it places Vitos death at 54 and Roths at 59

True, but it does place the massacre at '55. But as I've said before the official timeline consists of a number of flaws such as placing Vito's return to Sicily in 1927. See the related thread I made.

Over the years even the official timeline has differed a little bit such as putting Sonny's death at either '47 or '48. If you check out the Corleone family tree on the Blu-ray or DVD you will see that some dates slight differ from the timeline as well.

Also, on the criminal chart that's exclusive to the Blu-ray, it's stated at Michael Corleone's fact file that he ordered Roth's death in 1960, which would be correct since Roth came back to vote in the Presidential election.

I dont know if this is true or not , but i heard that there was originally another hour and a half of Part 2 that went on after Fredo's death that showed Michael Destroying more of Roth's empire, If this is true , then the scene of Roth's death would have taken place later in the film , which would make more sense

At the end of Part II you see a close-up of a much older looking Michael. Some have suggested that he somehow aged significantly within a year due to his diabetes, which is ofcourse not the case. The reason why we see a much older Michael is because this was originally part of a scene when he would meet up with an 18 year old Anthony. The proof of this is provided by the latest draft of the screenplay. When FFC finished filming of Part II, he had shot 7 hours of film, so a great deal of scenes were left out in order to reduce the lenght of the film. Some of those scenes were restored in The Godfather Saga. But there's still hours of film that has never been shown before.

Maybe one day it will be recovered and restored as a mini-serie. That would be something.

Interesting, but i wonder, could the scenes still be used or would they conflict with godfather 3?

Who gives a shit about The Godfather III. But I doubt they would conflict, or otherwise so be it. IMO, anything of Part II overules Part III.

That's one potential problem associated with sequels: trying to achieve a large degree of continuity (Of course, the inconsistencies between the films provide us with a lot of talking points).

But as long as you kept the scenes consistent, I think there's probably alot of film that could have been used in III. But at 3 hours plus already, editing must be a nightmare.

At the very least they should be released as deleted scenes someday. I also would like to see the original fabrizio death and the Bonasera Job but those are probably lost for good at this point.

If incorporating Part III, I have to wonder why it would take Anthony 10-11 years (1968-1979) to go through college and part of law school. What the hell was that boy doing in his college years?

Macrame?

thats what i mean by possible conflicts

Another conflict is Mary acting like a 17 year old while she was in her mid 20s.

Hey Anthony was a screwed up kid who was raised by hit men and then by Michael and Connie. Besides he wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. His only real talent was singing, which was probably discovered in the 6 years of therapy and "special " school he attended when he got to Kay in New Hampshire. He also went to college on the 5 year plan, took a year off then went to law school . In short he was a third generation spoiled guinea brat. Just like his sister.

But can't that also be expected from a sheltered, spoiled rich girl who absolutely NO ONE will mess with?

So i was reading this Intresting Articleabout all the deleted scenes and extended scenes when i came across this:



The Young Vito sequence likewise lost about an hour and a half. In the finished film, his story stops in 1925 as he's leaving Sicily. But much more took place when he returned to America. There are scenes with Vito establishing his budding empire, recruiting a young Luca Brasi, teaching a young Sonny the ins and outs of gangster life, and a long sequence in the 30's where the Corleone family is busy fighting off a war with a rival Mafia clan (even Al Capone sends some guys after Vito!)


If all these scenes were actually shot then holy crap thats a lot of footage lost there. They should have just made the two separate stories different movies

Not only is there an abundance of viewers who would pay to see that footgae if melded into a coherent story, but FFC would make a fortune.

Most definitely.

So Francis, if you're reading this on a Sunday afternoon when drinking a sample of your latest self-made wine... If you want to make some more money for your studio and winery, assemble all the lost footage, call Spielberg and Robert Harris again and ask him them to help restore all those lost footage and release it as a mini-serie. You can call it The Godfather: The Lost Footage. Do us and yourself that favor!

I'm wondering how much of this "lost footage" rumor is merely Godfather folklore.

hell i'd be willing to pay for it even if it wasn't a coherent story.

There is always hope they will be released some day, On the star wars blu ray set , deleted scenes were released after 35 years of never being seen. Maybe Lucas can convince his friend to do the same?

Absolutely nothing. It's not a rumor. But much of it may be unusuable by now.

The amc hd broadcast had footage of the original godfather 2 ending
that wasnt seen for nearly 40 years so at least some of the footage still exists somewhere

Just an aside here, but Connie and Carlo had a really long courtship. They met in December 1941 and didnt get married until spring/summer of 1945. I guess there were not a lot of huge weddings durng the war. And while we are at it, how did Carlo get a deferrment... that weasel.

Hey- not without Michael. The don can't even take a picture without Michael. Mikey had to get back from the war. And Carlo's deferrment? I'm sure Vito took care of that to make sure his daughter could be married off. Better to have a long engagement and secure the husband rather than losing the husband and being stuck with an old spinster daughter moping around the house, whining about what could have been.

The wedding was postponed because the family was waiting for Michael to return home. And if you believe Connie was born in 1927, she would have only been 14 years old when she met Carlo, far too young to marry...

Oh man.... if she was only 14 in that 1941 scene then she better have had a huge friggin' dowry.

Is there any hope of these hours of footage ever seeing the light of day?

The Amc hd restoration showed some of the older Michael clips from the original godfather 2 ending so it is possible that they do exist somewhere

If you missed AMC's showing, is there ANY way of seeing it?

Yes, it's available on the internet.