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After the massacre of all the heads..

Posted By: Trilogy

After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/06/12 05:56 PM

If you were Michael and settled all the hits; right after would you try to abandon that lifestyle and start over? or continue down that path and lived the way he did.

Personaly that would be pretty difficult to leave. He is still responsible for his mother and sister plus all the nieces and nephews. Fredo would be more then glad to become boss and end up destroying the family with all his stupid decisions. I guess it was impossible for Michael to walk away and become legitimate.
Posted By: olivant

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/06/12 06:29 PM

By that time, Michael was committed to that way of life.
Posted By: dontommasino

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/06/12 10:41 PM

I don't view it as plausible that a man, even with the connections that the Corleones were portrayed as having, can order the death of at least seven people (Cuneo, Stracci, Tattaglia, Barzini, Moe, Carlo and Tessio) and just throw it all away!
Posted By: danielperrygin

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/07/12 12:24 AM

If Michael's desire to go legit was true, than this point in his life would be a better time than ever. But now that i think about things come to mind that would delay going legit. Like you said he has a big family to care for and the legit business world is frankly something Michael had never been a part of, so he would have to atleast go after one big svore to have enough money until he found a legit money source. Everyone knows though that one score leads to another and another. Most might think that Vages was a legit money source but unless you had muscle to back your business up than you would be pushed out of town quickly. I beliee that by this point though Michael had decided this was his destiny, because if he wanted to leave the life at this point who would stop him??????
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/07/12 01:09 AM

Michael pretty much cast his fate in concrete when he agreed to take over the reins from Vito. Now the other Dons saw him as foe, not just a one-time defender of his old man. He put himself in the kill-or-be-killed position with the other Dons by becoming a Don.

He couldn't simply have walked away from everything when he moved to Nevada. First, he'd made a lot of enemies as a result of the massacre, and they'd come for vengeance unless he had muscle (Clemenza and later Frankie) to protect him. He also needed that muscle to protect hiom as he built and expanded his legal gaming empire--without it, as you say, real gangsters would otherwise take what was his.
Posted By: olivant

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/07/12 04:27 AM

Once Michael crossed his Rubicon, that was it. As TB points out, he couldn't simply walk away. It was in his blood to dominate the underworld. He liked the power and the manipulation. it was intoxicating. Power usually is. Michael managed it better than many did. I've never bought into the Michael wanted to be legitimate story line. He wanted the appearance of legitimacy so that he could continue his nefarious ways.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/07/12 02:09 PM

After the massacre Michael was up his neck in the mob and there was no turning back. If I would have massacred all the rival dons I would probably be power tripping just as anybody else.
Posted By: dontommasino

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/08/12 12:43 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Once Michael crossed his Rubicon, that was it. As TB points out, he couldn't simply walk away. It was in his blood to dominate the underworld. He liked the power and the manipulation. it was intoxicating. Power usually is. Michael managed it better than many did. I've never bought into the Michael wanted to be legitimate story line. He wanted the appearance of legitimacy so that he could continue his nefarious ways.


Yep, he also used others as scapegoats when there was a "barrier" to him going legit.
Posted By: DonJon

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/11/12 05:13 PM

I think Michael crossed the point of no return when he pulled the trigger on Solozzo and McCluskey.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/11/12 05:32 PM

In some ways, yes. Many of us here believe it came even earlier: when, in the hospital, he said, "I'm with you now, Pop," he could have meant that he was, finally, with the family, not just at his father's side.

But I believe that he could have chosen to go his own way after Sicily. He could have said to Vito: "Pop, I was wrong to hold you and the family at arms-length, but I made up for it. I killed the two guys who were conspiring to kill you, and saved your life. I paid a heavy price: I had to ditch my beloved Kay and hide in Sicily. I lost my beloved Apollonia to a bomb intended for me because I'm your son. We're quits. Sonny dead? I grieve as do you. Fredo not up to the Donship? Sorry, Pop, but that's not my problem. Besides, you always said you wanted me to be 'Senator Corleone, Governor Corleone.' Well, Pop, I can't get there if I'm 'Don Corleone.'"
Posted By: olivant

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/11/12 05:52 PM

I concur TB. However, I definitely think that his "I'm with you now, Pop," was just father to son. It was Micahel's way of letting his father know that his years of estrangment from him was over. I don't think he was throwing in his lot with Vito's crime family.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/11/12 06:06 PM

I always thought the "I'm with you now pop" meant he was going to go into the family business. Face it. Michael looked around and saw tht if he didn't get into this whole theing the Corleones would lose the war.
Posted By: Trilogy

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/11/12 06:22 PM

I don't think at that exact moment he decided to go into the family business, I think he said "i'm with you pop" because no one else was there and he wanted to assure Vito that Michael is here for him as a son.

Then although he temporarily protected his father at the hospital, it would never be over until those 2 men are dead. If you want a good job done, then you have to do it yourself wink
Posted By: The Last Woltz

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/11/12 07:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
In some ways, yes. Many of us here believe it came even earlier: when, in the hospital, he said, "I'm with you now, Pop," he could have meant that he was, finally, with the family, not just at his father's side.

But I believe that he could have chosen to go his own way after Sicily. He could have said to Vito: "Pop, I was wrong to hold you and the family at arms-length, but I made up for it. I killed the two guys who were conspiring to kill you, and saved your life. I paid a heavy price: I had to ditch my beloved Kay and hide in Sicily. I lost my beloved Apollonia to a bomb intended for me because I'm your son. We're quits. Sonny dead? I grieve as do you. Fredo not up to the Donship? Sorry, Pop, but that's not my problem. Besides, you always said you wanted me to be 'Senator Corleone, Governor Corleone.' Well, Pop, I can't get there if I'm 'Don Corleone.'"


He may have been able to leave the Family after Siciliy, but where would he go?

Aspirations of holding higher office were basically killed along with Sol and Mac. And the other Families would never view him as a civilian again.

The closing of legitimate avenues to Michael was made quite clear by Vito's reaction when he's told that Michael killed Sollozzo and McCluskey.
Posted By: Danito

Re: After the massacre of all the heads.. - 06/12/12 12:26 PM

"I'm with you pop" opens door to the confusion of family and "family".
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