Questions regarding the films.

Hey everyone,

I'm new. The quiz thread cracked me up, I thought I'd register as you all seemed like a bunch of friendly folks.

I've been re-watching GF I + II but there are still some questions I have about the films:

1) In Part III Mary tells Vincent that her father is Italian, but in Part II Michael actually says that he is an American hiding in Sicily. So what do you say - is Michael Italian or American?

2) Who was the person killed by Michael's bodyguard at the hotel balcony in Havana?

3) When Fredo arrived in Havana why did the bodyguard seemed a little reluctant to shake his (Fredo's) hand?

4) Whatever happened to the cop that witnessed the Rosato brothers' attempt to kill Frank?

5) Who was the person in brown suit that went to Roth's front door before Michael did?

6) Was the baby shown in young Vito's first scene (NYC 1917) Sonny? Then who was the second baby in a later scene where you hear Mama Corleone says 'Look how pretty it is, Santino!'

I'd appreciate some answers here. Thanks.

1.) He is Italian-American

2.) Johnny Ola .... I think

3.) I don't know, maybe because no one like Fredo?

4.) oh him... you won't see him no more

5.) I am not sure

6.) That was also Sonny, just younger, although I believe that it could have been Santino's First Communion or something along those lines

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I hope I have helped and WELCOME TO THE BOARDS

2) Ola
3) his job is to guard Michael not make friends.
5) Ola

Welcome to the boards, GMT! You're right about (mostly) friendly folks here. You see how quickly you got your answers. Don't hesitate to ask more, or to post observations of your own.

Thanks. Yes I did notice an editing error in GF that's not listed on the Goofs section of iMdb. If you look closely at Michael during his meeting with Moe Greene, you'd see that he draws the same pack of cigarettes twice.

1. You see the back of Michael as he reaches for the cigs.


2. He gets his cigs.


3. Then in the next cut he reaches his hand into his pocket and gets out the same pack again!



The screencaps are probably not good enough to see the error. It's better if you watch the film.

It's always better if you watch the film.

An anomaly in that scene: Though FFC was absolutely, fanatically meticulous about getting period details right, note that a guy standing behind Moe is wearing a "formal turtleneck" shirt. That style--wearing a turtleneck with a sports jacket instead of a shirt and tie--didn't come in until the mid to late Sixties--10 to 12 years after that scene was set. The guy's hairstyle looks wrong for that period, too.

Well, Moe Greene was "a man of vision." He probably saw the trends coming and clued in his men.

Keen observation TB, but I would offer this (courtesy of Wikipedia) Apparently Turtle necks were originally worn as sportswear, but began to apear as casual wear in the 1920's. They became something of a fashion statement by artists and intellectuals, and apparently during that era people like Noel Coward took to wearing them. By the 1950's they were worn by beatniks and people who considered themselves to be artists, including Hollywood types, so it is conceivable that someone connecetd to the show biz side of Moe's operation could have worn a turtle neck in the mid fifties, but probably not likely. I agree the hair is wrong for that era.

Hey... enough with the arguing over this scene. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

He sure was--check out those coke-bottle glasses.

..but what gets posted on this board is public...

I have a minute question, if you will;

When Connie arrives at the communion party in Tahoe and has her conversation with Carmella about Michael and "waiting on line" to see him, is Carmella's line about waiting "just like everyone else" directed in annoyance towards Connie feeling entitled and in accordance with understanding (I guess) the process that Michael deals with at these things (like Vito) or is it directed towards Michael treating "family" like any other business proceedings?

Oh no... it's definately directed at Connie. Her mother was already annoyed with Connie, in the first place, because of her behavior and her tardiness.

...especially for that grand, sweeping, "only-little-people-wait-in-line" attitude Connie flashed at her.

I love how Mama tries shunning Merle when he greets her and goes to kiss her. She really conveys the ill feeling that she has for him just by her making that little gesture of hers. A real "get away from me you peon piece of dirt" move! A really good piece of acting on Morgana King's part in that scene.

I agree with you DC... she was always really good to me... my favorite is the infamous "Can a man lose his Family" scene.

I also agree that she stole that scene. Aside from what everyone else has mentioned, she goes out of her way to introduce the "family priest" ... definitely an indirect shot at Connie's behavior. Also after Connie complains about having to waitin line, she scolds her and says "Go see your children first." Also, like Michael, she never says a word to Merle.

Or so Fredo thought when he was banging those cocktail waitresses.

Right?? Michael turned out to be a little rat. He ran out home to Daddy and probably blurted out that Fredo was bangin 'em two at a time.

Whatever it takes to make sure Fredo gets passed over.

That is good acting on King's part. I also love her exchange in Italian with Tom when Merle and Deanna are being introduced. Priceless!

It's the way Pop wanted it!

But it's not the way he wanted it!

yeah, cuz he's SMO'T!

I wonder if Fredo was sent to the Vegas airport to pick up Michael.

What he wanted was to be Moe Green's masseur.

maybe he could fix some of that back hair Moe has

That was hair?? I thought he was wearing a sweater.

ROFL!!!

Hey everyone, this is not a joke, but I have ranked Godfather 1 as my number 10 gangster movie. Donnie Brasco has beaten it.

It was a Moe-hair sweater.

...also worn by Curly and Shemp...

You mean Curly and Larry. With Shemp the Stooges jumped the shark.

Yes. The Times of London carried your dazzling revelation on page 1, under a five-column banner headline:

NOTED CINEMA CRITIC DECLARES 'BRASCO' SUPERIOR TO 'GODFATHER';
COPPOLA A SUICIDE; PARAMOUNT STUDIO IN RECEIVERSHIP

While we're at it, Sonny could have used a shave on his shoulder hair.

WITH A SIDEBAR -- LINDSAY LOHAN TO REPRISE ROLE OF CONNIE IN NEW GODFATHER REMAKE

Actually, Curly replaced Shemp. Shemp returned after Curly suffered a serious stroke in which he never fully recovered.
...They really jumped the shark with "Curly-Joe".

True, I thought that Shemp was a real brother while Curly wasn't... weird... but yeah... "Joe" lost it all...

Moe, Shemp and Curly were all brothers.

There was another stooge in there somewhere, but I don't remember him.

Umm, Shemp was a REAL blood-brother... as I said...

Thank you, and sorry I was a little late

1 mama corleone and vito is pure italian..definetley michael and other childs are pure italiano

2 Johnny Ola

3 cause fredo is in under investigation/the body guard dont have feeling to shake his hands

4 he was the one who reported all to the comitee, thats why michael got trials..the cop never showned up anymore

5 Johnny Ola

6 santino and sonny are the same

You seem confused tonight.

And all from Brooklyn, too!

A little trivia - there was at least one movie in which Moe, Curly and Shemp all appeared together. After Curly had a stroke (and was replaced in the act by Shemp) Curly appeared in a scene involving a train (as an extra). He was "sleeping" in a train car with his hat over his head (and the hat was removed). It was sad to see him like that (it was very apparent that he had suffered a stroke).

BOO

That was a guy named "Curley Joe" who appeared with the Stooges in the late 50's and early sixties when they enjoyed a resurgence in popularity. By then Shemp had died. Curley Joe famously said to Moe "I've always wanted to be thought of as a brother by you, Moe....a real brother."

Other trivia:

In the mid sixties, Moe claimed he invented the Beatle haircut

Hey FrankWhite, I think it's because I like the fact based ones more.

I remember Curly Joe, but there was another one in there briefly between Shemp II and Curly Joe. I don't remember who he is, or what he looked like.

OK. I found him. Joe Besser.

Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk ....

I mean... I can feel where you're coming from but donnie brasco??? the godfather is just better