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Families that refuse to deal in drugs. #661326
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What families are out there that refuse to get into the drug trade? Or is that a pie in the sky theory in todays 21st century? Not accusing anyone of being in the drug trade. Just know that there are quite a few that have chosen this path and in my opinion it is what has made the mob weaker.

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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #661338
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There are none.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
There are none.


Really?

When did this all start? The drug bs?

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Records show that any family had members that were involved in drugs one way or the other.

But some families were less involved than others, like the Chicago Outfit.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Records show that any family had members that were involved in drugs one way or the other.

But some families were less involved than others, like the Chicago Outfit.


And wouldn't you agree that the Outfit is one of the families that is least involved today? Most of their business comes from Gambling. From what I have read, Ronnie Jarrett was placed on the hit list and disposed of because he was involved in drug dealing.

Your thoughts?

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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
There are none.

Short, to the point, and very, very true.

This ain't a Mario Puzo novel we're talking about here, Wilson. They're all in it.

True, some families are more involved than others, but that's irrelevant. It's like being a little pregnant.


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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #661370
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Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Records show that any family had members that were involved in drugs one way or the other.

But some families were less involved than others, like the Chicago Outfit.


And wouldn't you agree that the Outfit is one of the families that is least involved today? Most of their business comes from Gambling. From what I have read, Ronnie Jarrett was placed on the hit list and disposed of because he was involved in drug dealing.

Your thoughts?


From what I understand of it the Outfit always has been one of the families to be less involved in drugs.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #661380
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You wonder if (NY families in general, for example) would have fallen apart the way they did, had they abided by those rules. There would be a heck of a lot less guys in prison, and subsequently that many less informants...but then again, the power of RICO would have tagged many of these folks for other things.

Too much $ to be made, so surely it would have been irresistible, I suppose.

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Originally Posted By: Nick_the_Greek
You wonder if (NY families in general, for example) would have fallen apart the way they did, had they abided by those rules. There would be a heck of a lot less guys in prison, and subsequently that many less informants...but then again, the power of RICO would have tagged many of these folks for other things.

Too much $ to be made, so surely it would have been irresistible, I suppose.


Weren't they making Billions before they even started getting involved in drugs? Why the need to get into drugs?

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Originally Posted By: Nick_the_Greek
You wonder if (NY families in general, for example) would have fallen apart the way they did, had they abided by those rules. There would be a heck of a lot less guys in prison, and subsequently that many less informants...but then again, the power of RICO would have tagged many of these folks for other things.

Too much $ to be made, so surely it would have been irresistible, I suppose.
its kinda a catch 22. sure maybe less guys would be in prison, but think of all the lost revenue. as they say "with money comes power". hard to say for sure.


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Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Nick_the_Greek
You wonder if (NY families in general, for example) would have fallen apart the way they did, had they abided by those rules. There would be a heck of a lot less guys in prison, and subsequently that many less informants...but then again, the power of RICO would have tagged many of these folks for other things.

Too much $ to be made, so surely it would have been irresistible, I suppose.


Weren't they making Billions before they even started getting involved in drugs? Why the need to get into drugs?


I think most of the major money was with the hierarchy of the families. As soon as the soldiers and associates started to see the money they could be making from drugs they probably wanted to start making their own fortunes instead of making it for the bosses. LCN were involved in drugs from a fairly early stage in their existence it just intesified throughout the 60s and 70s and it became their biggest racket.

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Originally Posted By: Nick_the_Greek
You wonder if (NY families in general, for example) would have fallen apart the way they did, had they abided by those rules. There would be a heck of a lot less guys in prison, and subsequently that many less informants...but then again, the power of RICO would have tagged many of these folks for other things.

Too much $ to be made, so surely it would have been irresistible, I suppose.


Weren't they making Billions before they even started getting involved in drugs? Why the need to get into drugs?


I think most of the major money was with the hierarchy of the families. As soon as the soldiers and associates started to see the money they could be making from drugs they probably wanted to start making their own fortunes instead of making it for the bosses. LCN were involved in drugs from a fairly early stage in their existence it just intesified throughout the 60s and 70s and it became their biggest racket.


Do you think if a head boss told crews to lay off the drug dealing, would they listen? Or would they kill him?

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Well look at Angelo Bruno he was killed for shutting his family out of dealing drugs. But he was worse he kept his family out of it but would let certain Gambino guys to make money off drugs in philly and took a profit from it. I know that even if Angelo did not want the Gambino's to do it they would probably do it anyway and not much Angelo can do. The point is he was killed by his consiglieri for not letting him sell drugs.

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Originally Posted By: Wilson
Do you think if a head boss told crews to lay off the drug dealing, would they listen? Or would they kill him?

Just like anything. The crews just kick up, bosses don't need/want to know...or care where the extra dough is coming from. It's extra dough. Why kill him? The likelihood a boss takes the side of enforcing a rule over the boatload cash it brings in, is slim, unless there is some real threat (you hear the guy might be being investigated, just don't like him, etc etc) Everyone is making money, nobody's asking questions...everyone's happy. Internal politics, and money, is all it is.

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the problem was that alot of the old time guys from the 30s had made their millions so to their underlings it looked hypocritical. I think the ban on drugs was mostly just to keep everyone under neath the hierarchy of the family obedient and wary of punishment whilst the bosses then allowed certain people to deal drugs just as long as they were closely alligned with them or people in their inner circle.

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I think drugs is the most lucrative criminal market, look at the mexican cartels for proof. However it's also the most dangerous market to be in.

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Keeping people down even if your not in the mafia but just a criminal is a calling card for murder


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Theres no rule book to being a gangster, angelo bruno learnt that the hard way. Im surprised his people didnt kill him earlier than 1980, i mean the heroin trade was booming during the 1970s why did it take so long for them to realise he was hindering them?

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Scorsese,

I think they did not kill Bruno earlier because he was close with Carlo Gambino and had that in his pocket. It took about 4 years after Gambino died for someone to grow the balls to do it even though it was short lived for Capinigro.

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Yet, the Nigerian enterprises have found a share of that market with the most minimal risk towards violence.


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True. Yet, Nigerian enterprises have found a safe margin in that trade and build tidy profits.


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Sorry about that double post, computer acting up.


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Mafia has been dealing drugs since Day One. Don Vito Cascio Ferro, the Sicilian pezzanovante, spent several years early in the last century in NYC, shaping up the loose Mafia scene into what became the Five Families, and setting up the first of many drug pipelines between Europe and North America. The Mob has always been well-positioned to deal drugs. They have the international connections, the feet-on-the-street to move it, and the brothels, bars, betting parlors, etc., to distribute it.

Until the Sixties, drugs was a small but profitable part of every family's income. Yes, most of their income came from gambling, etc., but the drug profits were too good to pass up. As long as the traffic was confined to racial minorities, jazz musicians and others that society didn't care about, the law was pleased to look the other way in return for bribes. But the drug explosion of the Sixties ruined many white, middle-class youngsters--including children of cops, judges, politicians, etc. Suddenly the penalties became big, and omerta was threatened.

The bosses had a dilemma: a soldier given a double-digit sentence might talk and endanger higher-ups. But Mafia is a pyramid scheme: a part of every soldier's or associate's take is kicked upstairs, eventually reaching the Don. If the Don decreed and enforced a ban on drugs, he'd just drive the traffic--and his own take--underground.

So the Dons came up with a typical Mafia hypocrisy: they decreed death for anyone caught dealing drugs. If a guy was nailed dealing drugs, they'd kill him before he had a chance to testify. But if he wasn't caught...well, what you don't know won't hurt you--as long as the money kept coming in. That decree had a kind of Darwinian effect: it scared off the weaker guys, leaving drug trafficking to the more resourceful guys who were less likely to get caught.


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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
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Until the Sixties, drugs was a small but profitable part of every family's income. Yes, most of their income came from gambling, etc., but the drug profits were too good to pass up. As long as the traffic was confined to racial minorities, jazz musicians and others that society didn't care about, the law was pleased to look the other way in return for bribes.


You just reminded me of that scene in the Godfather but said it in a nice way lol


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The Five Families and other families refuse they do drug's and Omerta is their backup even though most of them do it.

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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Mafia has been dealing drugs since Day One. Don Vito Cascio Ferro, the Sicilian pezzanovante, spent several years early in the last century in NYC, shaping up the loose Mafia scene into what became the Five Families, and setting up the first of many drug pipelines between Europe and North America. The Mob has always been well-positioned to deal drugs. They have the international connections, the feet-on-the-street to move it, and the brothels, bars, betting parlors, etc., to distribute it.

Until the Sixties, drugs was a small but profitable part of every family's income. Yes, most of their income came from gambling, etc., but the drug profits were too good to pass up. As long as the traffic was confined to racial minorities, jazz musicians and others that society didn't care about, the law was pleased to look the other way in return for bribes. But the drug explosion of the Sixties ruined many white, middle-class youngsters--including children of cops, judges, politicians, etc. Suddenly the penalties became big, and omerta was threatened.

The bosses had a dilemma: a soldier given a double-digit sentence might talk and endanger higher-ups. But Mafia is a pyramid scheme: a part of every soldier's or associate's take is kicked upstairs, eventually reaching the Don. If the Don decreed and enforced a ban on drugs, he'd just drive the traffic--and his own take--underground.

So the Dons came up with a typical Mafia hypocrisy: they decreed death for anyone caught dealing drugs. If a guy was nailed dealing drugs, they'd kill him before he had a chance to testify. But if he wasn't caught...well, what you don't know won't hurt you--as long as the money kept coming in. That decree had a kind of Darwinian effect: it scared off the weaker guys, leaving drug trafficking to the more resourceful guys who were less likely to get caught.


Perfect explanation.


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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Mafia has been dealing drugs since Day One. Don Vito Cascio Ferro, the Sicilian pezzanovante, spent several years early in the last century in NYC, shaping up the loose Mafia scene into what became the Five Families, and setting up the first of many drug pipelines between Europe and North America. The Mob has always been well-positioned to deal drugs. They have the international connections, the feet-on-the-street to move it, and the brothels, bars, betting parlors, etc., to distribute it.

Until the Sixties, drugs was a small but profitable part of every family's income. Yes, most of their income came from gambling, etc., but the drug profits were too good to pass up. As long as the traffic was confined to racial minorities, jazz musicians and others that society didn't care about, the law was pleased to look the other way in return for bribes. But the drug explosion of the Sixties ruined many white, middle-class youngsters--including children of cops, judges, politicians, etc. Suddenly the penalties became big, and omerta was threatened.

The bosses had a dilemma: a soldier given a double-digit sentence might talk and endanger higher-ups. But Mafia is a pyramid scheme: a part of every soldier's or associate's take is kicked upstairs, eventually reaching the Don. If the Don decreed and enforced a ban on drugs, he'd just drive the traffic--and his own take--underground.

So the Dons came up with a typical Mafia hypocrisy: they decreed death for anyone caught dealing drugs. If a guy was nailed dealing drugs, they'd kill him before he had a chance to testify. But if he wasn't caught...well, what you don't know won't hurt you--as long as the money kept coming in. That decree had a kind of Darwinian effect: it scared off the weaker guys, leaving drug trafficking to the more resourceful guys who were less likely to get caught.

How many testified in 1960's after being caught with drugs ? Any list of guys who were killed after being caught ?

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Originally Posted By: Turnbull

That decree had a kind of Darwinian effect: it scared off the weaker guys, leaving drug trafficking to the more resourceful guys who were less likely to get caught.


I believe that this is one of the reasons they declined in the drug trade because there wasnt enough men willing to go to the lengths the likes of demeo, gal ante or pitera would go to to protect it. Although theres one or two individuals or groups that will pop up every now and then, theres nothing of the likes of the east harlem purple gang or vincent papa.

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nicky scarfo hated anything to do with them..but the guys could shake down dealers.if he thought u were drinking alot watch out.Let alone dealing..


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I read Jerry Capeci write somewhere that the only bosses that were really serious about this rule were the outfit. Any truth to this?

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