GangsterBB.NET


Funko Pop! Movies:
The Godfather 50th Anniversary Collectors Set -
3 Figure Set: Michael, Vito, Sonny

Who's Online Now
2 registered members (Jimmy_Two_Times, 1 invisible), 199 guests, and 3 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Site Links
>Help Page
>More Smilies
>GBB on Facebook
>Job Saver

>Godfather Website
>Scarface Website
>Mario Puzo Website
NEW!
Active Member Birthdays
No birthdays today
Newest Members
TheGhost, Pumpkin, RussianCriminalWorld, JohnnyTheBat, Havana
10349 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
Irishman12 67,415
DE NIRO 44,945
J Geoff 31,285
Hollander 23,817
pizzaboy 23,296
SC 22,902
Turnbull 19,505
Mignon 19,066
Don Cardi 18,238
Sicilian Babe 17,300
plawrence 15,058
Forum Statistics
Forums21
Topics42,301
Posts1,058,200
Members10,349
Most Online796
Jan 21st, 2020
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Did Pentangelli TECHNICALLY violate Omerta? #642122
03/29/12 09:58 PM
03/29/12 09:58 PM
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 100
C
Crazy_Joe_Gallo Offline OP
Made Member
Crazy_Joe_Gallo  Offline OP
C
Made Member
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 100
Yeah, he signed an affidavit, but it seems to have been largely under duress. He was charged with Murder One, Possession, Bookmaking, probably set up on those charges by Roth's people (He shows disdain for drug dealing earlier in the film, so I believe the drug charge was trumped up), and he and Cicci were convinced and misled into believing that Michael had them him up to be killed, basically betraying them to Hyman Roth for no reason despite years of loyal service--Selling their own Sicilian blood out to a "Jew in Miami".

Yes, he signed an affidavit, but when it came time to testify he didn't--Thus rendering his affidavit worthless and he claimed to not even really know Michael and that everything he told the FBI people was a lie. His testimony as it were actually HELPED Michael in that it destroyed the credibility of the case. It made the Senate's case look like a joke, a sham, that the Senate

I just think given the circumstances and the way ALL of them were played by Roth, he and Cicc' should've been given a pass. They were set up. They didn't go with the Feds out of malice, but to survive, under duresss: Either be killed by Michael (so they thought) or killed by the Rosato Brothers. Given the circumstances both likely felt there was no safe place left on the streets for them.

Last edited by Crazy_Joe_Gallo; 03/29/12 10:23 PM.
Re: Did Pentangelli TECHNICALLY violate Omerta? [Re: Crazy_Joe_Gallo] #642126
03/29/12 10:14 PM
03/29/12 10:14 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,056
J
JCrusher Offline
Underboss
JCrusher  Offline
J
Underboss
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,056
Frankie was probably one of the most loyal guys but he got scrweed over. I dotn think he had to die especially after he didnt end up testifying anyway. I mean ist not like he was gonna talk again

Re: Did Pentangelli TECHNICALLY violate Omerta? [Re: JCrusher] #642134
03/30/12 02:07 AM
03/30/12 02:07 AM
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 100
C
Crazy_Joe_Gallo Offline OP
Made Member
Crazy_Joe_Gallo  Offline OP
C
Made Member
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 100
Originally Posted By: JCrusher
Frankie was probably one of the most loyal guys but he got scrweed over. I dotn think he had to die especially after he didnt end up testifying anyway. I mean ist not like he was gonna talk again


Yeah I truly doubt he would EVER have talked again. He seemed resigned to his fate. He seemed very reluctant to testify as it was, even before his brother showed up. He was banking on Michael taking the Fifth Amendment so that he wouldn't have to testify. He got royally screwed over by Hyman Roth and used as a pawn by Michael against Roth. He was misled. So was Michael and everyone else. He should've been given a pass. It wasn't like he was Roth's partner or like he conspired against Michael.

Re: Did Pentangelli TECHNICALLY violate Omerta? [Re: Crazy_Joe_Gallo] #642157
03/30/12 08:20 AM
03/30/12 08:20 AM
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 28
JJ_Gittes Offline
Wiseguy
JJ_Gittes  Offline
Wiseguy
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 28
As I understand it, the code of silence basically states that you don't give information to the cops or the government EVER. Doesn't matter that it may have been under duress, or that he felt betrayed, or that he bottled it when it came to stating anything officially. Frankie talked, that's all that matters, and that's what mattered to Michael. Much the same as his attitude towards Fredo.

Of course, the whole point is that these codes are brutal & unreasonable anyway in the real world as they don't acknowledge the existence of any grey area. That Michael was operating in such a black & white fashion, & showing no mercy whatsoever, even towards his own brother who had been more naive than treacherous, just illustrates how much humanity he'd lost.

Re: Did Pentangelli TECHNICALLY violate Omerta? [Re: Crazy_Joe_Gallo] #642158
03/30/12 08:26 AM
03/30/12 08:26 AM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,272
M
Mark Offline
Underboss
Mark  Offline
M
Underboss
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,272
He admitted, confirmed and swore, in writing to legal authorities, that Michael Corleone was indeed the leader of a major crime organization in the United States directly ordering murders and various illegal activity. Frankie was a very likable guy, no doubt, but he did break omerta.

Re: Did Pentangelli TECHNICALLY violate Omerta? [Re: JJ_Gittes] #642172
03/30/12 10:47 AM
03/30/12 10:47 AM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,464
No. Virginia
mustachepete Offline
Special
mustachepete  Offline
Special
Underboss
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,464
No. Virginia
Sure Frankie violated Omerta. Even without an indictment of Michael, Frankie's affidavit would have given the government information they could use to continue investigating the Corleones.

With respect to giving Frankie a pass, I always remember a line from the book that is thought by Kay: "Michael was always fair." Michael, always fair but a crazy *&@%!#$*, couldn't kill his brother unless he killed all his other "enemies," too. And he was going to kill his brother....


"All of these men were good listeners; patient men."
Re: Did Pentangelli TECHNICALLY violate Omerta? [Re: mustachepete] #642219
03/30/12 07:58 PM
03/30/12 07:58 PM
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,505
AZ
Turnbull Offline
Turnbull  Offline

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,505
AZ
Crazy Joe, the arguments you raise on Frankie's behalf would carry weight as "mitigating circumstances" at a sentencing in a court of law. But Mafia has its own law.
Though Frankie recanted, his affidavit jeopardized Michael and broke omerta. He had to die.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Did Pentangelli TECHNICALLY violate Omerta? [Re: Turnbull] #642228
03/30/12 09:39 PM
03/30/12 09:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 15,019
Texas
O
olivant Offline
olivant  Offline
O

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 15,019
Texas
I agree. It's analagous to being a little bit pregnant.


"Generosity. That was my first mistake."
"Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us."
"Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
Re: Did Pentangelli TECHNICALLY violate Omerta? [Re: Turnbull] #642283
03/31/12 06:17 PM
03/31/12 06:17 PM
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 100
C
Crazy_Joe_Gallo Offline OP
Made Member
Crazy_Joe_Gallo  Offline OP
C
Made Member
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 100
Frankie's fate as it was was pretty much worse than death for a guy like him though: Probable life in jail. No access to the booze and broads he loved ever again. In a warped sort of way, I guess giving Frankie the incentive to commit suicide was sort of giving him a pass...Because his family would be taken care of and his legacy might be somewhat intact, basically as a guy who got fucked by Roth and the Feds and then did the 'right thing' by killing himself. It's warped but I guess compared to getting a corrupt prison guard to stab him in the gut, it's a pass.

Re: Did Pentangelli TECHNICALLY violate Omerta? [Re: Crazy_Joe_Gallo] #642339
04/01/12 12:41 PM
04/01/12 12:41 PM
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,505
AZ
Turnbull Offline
Turnbull  Offline

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,505
AZ
Yes, there was a kind of "rough justice" in Frankie's suicide:

"Don't worry about a thing, Frankie Fiveangels."

"Thanks, Tom, thanks."


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Did Pentangelli TECHNICALLY violate Omerta? [Re: Turnbull] #644157
04/16/12 11:10 PM
04/16/12 11:10 PM
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 2
M
Matty_G Offline
Associate
Matty_G  Offline
M
Associate
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 2
Yeah, thankfully he took the whole thing pretty well. He seemed to know what was in the cards once he turned over.


Moderated by  Don Cardi, J Geoff, SC, Turnbull 

Powered by UBB.threads™