Outfit soldier Chuckie English, a bit too loyal?

...Shot right between the eyes!

https://thenewyorkmafia.com/shot-right-between-the-eyes-chuck-english-chicago/

This is the first in a brand new BG series.

Thanks @NYM and also good idea.

Its still some type of "mystery" on who was Charles, Sam and Joe's Inglesia's capo, meaning whether it was Buccieri or Daddono or if they first served Daddono and later ended up under Buccieri, still all three brothers were crucial members during the Outfit's "golden era". On the other hand, Chuck English once allegedly received the "ok" from Giancana to talk to the feds and to give them some general info and also possibly fake one, but still many Outfit members became mad at the time especially Murray Humphreys and Frank Ferraro. Btw, Joe Inglesia aka English was one time Outfit rep in AZ.

Also, NY Gambino associate and informant Dominick Montiglio once completely lost his credibility by posting a pic from English's bullet riddled face while stating that it was a pic from Roy Demeo's autopsy lol lol

I knew he had a brother Sam English, but didn't know he had a third brother, Joe.

Is it true that this is the grandson of one of the brothers? This kid was a 12th street player friendly with Carparelli and from Cicero though I used to see him about in Lyons: https://www.facebook.com/lhfirm/pos...-4800-block-of-west-flo/691884838050953/

Actually this may be the kid I was thinking of - covered in tats: https://www.reddit.com/r/Chiraqolog...eet_players_boss_robert_english_current/

Yup, Joe English was associated with one Leonard Russo and story goes that they both were in charge of some rackets in Phoenix, Tucson and Flagstaff AZ; until his brothers arrived. In fact, later Sam English, who in turn was allegedly the most brutal of all three brothers, bought several ranches around AZ which were often available for many Hollywood stars and also for mob meetings and whenever the reporters visited his ranches, Sam usually appeared in cowboy outfit lol. William Kaiser was a robber and also a vending machine operator from Phoenix who was closely associated with Joe English and they also operated a prostitution ring that was fronted as an escort service in that same city.

More good info. I'll be using some of this as "location" data to expand the article. As you saw when you read it, I'm limiting each locale to a few names, but we'll list locations

I've always believed Jackie Cerone had him hit before he went away.

Interesting article guys… love when I learn new things!

Why do you suspect Cerone to have been the one?

I think Cerone was treated poorly by Taylor St guys, especially when Giancana was calling the shots. Giancana had little respect for Cerone, and neither did many of Giancana's men he came up with. By '85, English was one of the last remaining Taylor st/Giancana guys, and I think Cerone had him hit before he went off to jail for the Strawman case. Just an opinion I have!

Gotcha.

The whole story about Gianccana allegedly hating Cerone is a little bit murky. First of all, during the 1940's and 50's the Taylor St/Cicero and Elmwood Park/W Grand Av crews collaborated perfectly. In fact they even control the whole Outfit from the late 1990's (possibly) until today. Yes, Cerone was a drunk and had his own problems but during Giancana's reign as boss, Cerone was involved in few of the most infamous hits and murder attempts. Giancana was a very egoistic individual and so if he really hated Cerone, the latter one wasnt going to receive any type of job and also he wasnt going to be involved in brutal murders like the one on Action Jackson, together with Giancanas main guy Buccieri.

I believe that most of the stories comes from the situation when Giancana's underboss Frank Ferraro died in 1964, meaning Ricca and Accardo allegedly backed Cerone as the successor of the late Ferraro but Giancana and some of the other capos wanted for Battaglia to receive that same position, and believe it or not they waited for the vote of the non-Italian faction which was still represented by Murray Humphreys at the time, who in turn knew Battaglia since the early 1930's and so Humphreys obviously voted for his long time friend. And so thats how Battaglia received the number two position under Giancana and also became his successor.

Here are just few convos and information which shows us the general picture regarding the connection between Giancana and Cerone, meaning you can decide on whether these guys hated each other....





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I know you have always maintained that the dislike Giancana had for Cerone was/is exaggerated. I don't know if you're wrong or right. Based on those transcripts, I don't really get a feel either way, as neither guy seems to be expressing any kind of emotion towards the other. Just seems like two guys talking. My opinion comes from Fosco and Mags podcast they used to do on American News Post where they would often claim Giancana and the Taylor St boys thought Cerone was soft and didn't do his own "work." Now, I think both of those guys have axes to grind with certain members of the Outfit (Difronzo brothers, Fratto, and Cerone's kid). Maybe that's just a bad rumor that was passed down? I don't know. I just always assumed there was some truth there. I could be wrong on this, but I believe Accardo pushed very hard to make Cerone UB after Ferraro died, and Giancana was having none of that. Fun discussion either way!

Funny they translated Inglesia just to English LOL it's correct though Inglesia is English in Italian.

I think the mob back in those days were quick to pull the trigger just to keep everyone else in line, even if the guy did nothing wrong !!

Unfortunately, many times that was the case. And a guy lost his life for no reason...yet, nobody knew the real cause and just suspected the guy was a rat or robbed someone.

Yes, back in the days more than few myths regarding the Outfit were circling around at the American News Post site, meaning some posters were placing unconfirmed info as facts, followed by Foscos personal hatred towards some Outfit guys (as you already stated), something which makes some of his statements quite doubtful.

Cerone was with the Outfit since the 1930s and I think that he was more of a hitter than a businessman. He together with his two cousins Skippy and James did a lot of work for the Outfit during the old days. In fact, Skippy survived an assassination attempt during the second conflict from the 1940s i think, meaning the so-called Cerone "clan" was quite ruthless.

Jackie the Lackey was definitely a worker.

Cerone's other relative Anthony Cerone was the one who allegedly introduced the whole Cerone "clan" to the AFL Truck Drivers' union but was killed in 1950 by a car during a hit and run situation.


Anthony Cerone


Patsy Cerone


Frank and Jimmy Cerone


Young Jackie Cerone

Good photos, TD (and info)

Thanks bud.

You're very welcome TD.

Btw, I dont know if you guys ever knew this but young Chuck English once "snitched" on one of his "employers"regarding a divorce scheme that occurred in 1940....

In that life, if you're gonna be a street guy, then you're not supposed to even give up a dog. Nobody! Thats the unwritten "code of the street." You're not supposed to cooperate with the courts or any law enforcement authority in any way, shape or form.

So, in essence, that fact that he gave up information, and later, even got up on the stand, swore an oath, and then testified, shows one thing. He ratted!

You're completely right and this is just another example in which we can again witness the old "Americanized" group that obviously didnt care much about the old rules.

Well, certain guys anyway. I won't make a blanket statement like that for everyone, because there were many guys, the overwhelming majority, in fact, who stood up.

But like the old saying goes, if you got a 1000 guys, and only 5 go bad, well, thats still 5 too many, right?

And those 5 guys, those 5 bad apples, stick out like sore thumbs...while the other 995 go unnoticed because they're only doing what's expected of them. They almost become "uneventful" in a sense.

Very nicely said bud. I dont know much regarding the rest of the families, but during the old days the Outfit obviously had more than few rats and CI's in their ranks, and most of em were never discovered by their peers.

Sorry, but these guys would drop a dime on each other as regularly as they sipped espresso. Chicago was not Italy - these guys were smart and ruthless and would play and earn any way they could. They often had cops raid rackets of other crews to fuck them over or take them over.

Regardless of whether it was Italy, America, or anywhere else. People are still people. And not withstanding the generally accepted "ancient rules" of play, there have always been informants.

But unlike today, "pound for pound," the American mob back then, in there 1900s-1970s era, never saw the high number of rats like in the last 3-4 decades....especially during the last 20+ years.

Its become a completely different ballgame.

Remember when we all found out Jimmy Inendino had provided information? I think its far more common then and than you think - he started giving info in the 70s on hijacking. We just had no idea bc the FBI protects informants - often after they die.

Informants are part of the game forever, however in Italy as well as USA the massive use of them as evidence in court is relatively new and now the last years we see more cracking of encrypted messages that serve as key evidence in major trials so LE is making progress but often still one step behind the underworld.

I get you and thats my point too, but what about guys like Pierce, Pranno, Gianola, Louie Fratto or DeRose? These guys gave info regarding the whole organization, induction ceremonies and all types of illegal activities, while still doing their own stuff. In fact, Pierce gave info on the Outfit's most lucrative ops around the South Side which were mostly controlled by him, and later all of those same ops were closed down by the feds.

Of course. The FBI has an obligation too, but also the incentive too, for the simple reason that if they didn't protect identities, potential stool pigeons would run away from them out of a fear of years later being exposed.