accurate info on size of GTA 'ndrangheta

have read on numerous sites and articles about size of each 'ndrine.
some say that each 'ndrine must contain at least 49 members?don't know if that includes all italian members associated w/ each 'ndrine at all levels.
to read it one way would be that a guy like vincenzo "jimmy" demaria has 48 members working under him(seems like an overreach).
the figliomeni/project sindicato 2019 bust took down a cell of 9-12 guys.would that mean the feds/rcmp missed out on 40 +- members.
so is it total members worldwide connected to each family/'ndrine? 1 article put the # of 'ndrangheta members in GTA as 9 times 49=450 odd in GTA alone.in the context of a city the size of toronto not many but related to the amount of arrests in past 10yrs doesn't seem credible.
i am in no way an expert on the 'ndrangheta but want to know more.there r lots of way more knowledgeable people on here any help would do.

The 49 members rule only applies to Calabria, in northern italy there are locali (which are made up of 1 or several 'ndrine) with less members.

that clears that up so the numbers in toronto are inflated according to some reports.
is there still any accuracy to 'ndrangheta cells operating in ottawa,thunder bay and london ontario.
alot of this info is from old articles and books i think.

Associates are not part of the organization.
There are the picciotto d'onore or the soldiers of the 'ndrina.
The Camorrista , affiliated with a function similar to the capodecina of Cosa Nostra.
Sgarrista or Camorrista di Sgarro , the one who collects bribes and takes care of accounting, similar to the director of Cosa Nostra.

Then you have the Major Society with several ranks like saints or evangelists.

This is a question I have asked myself before. After a lot of info gathering, the best answer I have is this: there are around 100 members of the ndrangheta that are initiated in Toronto, with hundreds of associates, maybe over 1000 overall. (Italian +non Italian) Not all initiated members are involved in serious crimes. Some members were initiated when they were younger solely because they were related to other members, ect, and now they may go to the various cafes, play cards, gossip, offer advice, but not be heavily involved. They may have family members that are involved though, and act in an advisory and connection role. Hope this helps.

so that would be holding to the more accurate number of say 5-7 'ndrines in the GTA/hamilton area of ontario.
commisso,aquino-coluccio,figliomeni,ursino,musitano's in hamilton=5.
??? about vincenzo "jimmy" demaria,dominic ruso (who all intell states in based in brampton)which i think to be bogus no info on a dominic ruso anywhere in ontario and for that part of TO.
any mazzaferro 'ndrine in toronto.
only other 'ndrine connection would be the crupi or muia families.

not sure why i included the musitanos.

Vincenzo DeMaria(leader)

Carlo DeMaria(son)
Frank DiNardo-associate of Carlo.

Giuseppe DeMaria(brother)

Nicolas Cortese
Salvatore Calautti

-all info i could find for family/associates of DeMaria.
doesn't strike me as a 'NDRANGHETA BOSS of GTA.
is there info that DeMaria works under the name of another 'ndrine?

Aquino-Coluccio 'ndrine
Toronto
Leader
Carmelo Bruzzese

sons-Carlo,Filippo,Giuseppe(only Carlo is facing time in italy).
brother-in-law=Antonio Coluccio-brother of giuseppe and salvatore.

associates in toronto.
Giuseppe Andriano(owner of grotteria social club)-arson:Nov.26,2015.
-brother is Emilio based in italy.

?-giuseppe bruzzese known to live in thunder bay,on.

There are supposed to be 9 ndrines

https://gangstersinc.ning.com/profi...onto-area-canada-hit-but-still-too-power

A proportion that then had to be reduced, compared to the nine Locali present in the entire Ontario. This latter number to consider certain thanks to a fundamental secret recording of a phrase contained in the Italian Project Crimine (2010), “In Toronto [to be understood as Ontario] there are nine of us…”, recorded in 2009 during a visit of Rocco Etreni, high rank of the Locale of Thunder Bay, to Giuseppe "The Master" Commisso (right), supreme boss of Siderno, inside his laundry mat that served as cover for him.

And, moreover, two Locali, probably the only ones within the Crimine of Toronto, which do not depend on the mother-Locale of the town of Siderno (the term mother-Locale, adopted by both Italian and Canadian judicial authorities, indicates the Locale that, from Calabria, directs all its dependent Locali scattered throughout the world), but on the near mother-Locali of the towns of:

The rule is that 7 ndranghetisti can made a ndrina and 7 ndrine can create a camera di controllo (Chamber of Control) but this happened decade ago.
If a ndrine was created in 1950s every sons of the members become automatically members to the blood ties plus plus if the members have daughters them must marry a sons of ndrangheta members or a man that deserve to be made and their sons will increase the ndrina numbers.
Out this people that form the Minor Society there are those form The Santa and the Mayor Society. So is difficult to say the exact numbers of ndrangheta men and who is the real boss because in Canada the ndrangheta exist from the 1930s and with no rats there are no infos on the structure.

i knew that 7 ndrine form a locale (also called settandrina) and that the chamber of control serves to settle disputes

Yes my bad,anyway when a Locale is formed the various ndrine can easly grown and unite themself by marriage. That is the power of the ndrangheta,it is flebile and can change and adapt to the bussinesses occasion.
Look at the differences between the ndrangheta in Canada and Australia.

I pretty sure that there were Commisso in Hamilton, as early as the 1920-1930’s, via Detroit maybe??if true that Verducci was operating in Hamilton, as Siderno, then this could of the thread that lead to that.

From what I’ve been told it’s a missing link in the Rocco Perri disappearance.

the thunder bay 'ndrine if there is/was one has always seemed odd.
thunder bay is a city of 110 000 and is alleged to have 2 operating 'ndrine cells.
has been described as a sort of hideout for on the lam members but no evidence of 'ndrangheta led crime.
could be a location used for laundering money but no major OPP/RCMP busts including any of the names mentioned in operation crimine 2010.

-rocco and cosimo etreni
-giuseppe bruzzese(relation to carmelo?)
-antonio,rocco and vito minnella(all bros.)
-cosimo cirillo

^ according to Antonio Nicaso, some ndrine are “specialized” in a specific activity and focus almost exclusively on that: money laundering, providing support to fugitives, etc...

this makes it believable to have ndrine in rural or “off the radar” areas

They are also more a rural mafia even the smallest commune in Calabria can harbor Notorious clans.

What about Francesco Arcadi thought I read that he had connections to Hamilton? Maybe had someone whacked? Was it Pugliese, his connection??

Seems to have good traction in Woodbridge.

if anything arcadi has stayed loyal to the rizzuto/sollecito faction along with francesco del balso.
both served time and there is no evidence either were behind any side in the overthrow attempt on nick sr/vito.
where some guy comes from in italy was never a major part of the 10 year long war in MTL.
such a scenario was completely overblown by the press worldwide.
war was over territory led mostly by a french canadian who aligned himself w/ an array of different criminals from all nationalities including for a time the sicilian leader of the bonanno crime family who he then subsequently murdered. whew!!!
as far as who arcadi had connections w/ in woodbridge amongst the 'ndrangheta that would be good to know.not all 'ndrangheta cells were behind the desjardins group and further more have never really heard what 'ndrines were supporting the rebel group.
commisso's?jimmy demaria?aquino-coluccio?

I think the legend of the Southern Italian flown in to depose of Rizzuto, was allegoric. Something like Rome coming under attack, mostly related to where the Rizzuto are from in Sicily. Charlemange or something? 2 types of French, Bonaparte vs Charlemange or in real terms Boucher vs Desjardin or something very close.

What about the fire chief with the Scoppas? Sounds like both of those brothers got played pretty hard into the end. I recall hearing that Andrea was cool with Sollecito/Rizzuto/Woolley/Boucher in 2014, but by 2019 both brothers are dead, both in very public displays.

Also the triggers on the Sal Scoppa hit maybe crossed over from the other side of the Atlantic.

They can traced this all the way back to the Sforza vs Collins Family, I think it’s the Richardson Family of East Coast vs Rizzuto, they would be the ones to use the 🚓 to abduct Paolo Renda, Desjardins could confirm all, if he already hasn’t. Or ask Cazzetta about being the Rock Machine, during that war or if it’s over.

It’s like the upper class Irish women, who tried to murder Mussolini.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/irish-woman-who-shot-mussolini.amp

Kinda like when Christopher is explaining hell, to Tony Soprano and Paulie Walnuts, it’s St. Patrick’s Day everyday.

The Bacchus is an East Coast Club, that is in Hamilton, it seems as if the Hamilton Bacchus attempt some power play with OLMC and some HA, to remove the HA Nomads, don’t know why tho? They might have collaborated with Martin Robert, David Leferbve. The shooting of Nomads in Ontario in 2016, who survived, may have been this confederacy, in collaboration with whoever was killing everyone in Hamilton.

Legal Weed, Gambling, and Sex, prostitution/ porn (online) and offline (all kinds) via Hollywood North?? Whatever that is? As well as drugs, seems to be the issues, strippers included. Lots of money generated for sex on and off line.

Lastly, Bacchus are the ones who torched Pat Musitano’s car, or at least gave the order.

Found out about a prizefighter name Josh Hill, he is from Stoney Creek.
https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/josh-hill

He is/was claiming that half his family is Musitano the other half Papalia. I looked into the Papalia side, seems to be BS. So I guess he and his family are Musitano?

Whatever was suppose to happen in Hamilton after Rizzuto died failed, seems like whatever tie this guy has might of been who whacked Verducci.

This Hill and father are both firemen as well, maybe part of the group with Desjardin, that were with the Scoppas till they got finished off. It’s been suggested to me that Giorgio Baressi, was either setup or murdered because of this cell? If it is even true!!

There is a HA out in Stoney Creek as well, his kid was a boxer who didn’t use his last named, used his mother instead Riley. I think they call the dad Geo, anyways, might provide a link to add to the list of Calabrese in the Provincia.

Additionally the two brothers that I mentioned previous, I believe their last name was Figliomeni, dead brother was Luciano, the alive one is Giordano, their father maybe made.

Dear Friends,
here is the link:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TiQsmtGmEgqzlwjjsCYU13ThbrmXB4bK

to my last, unpublished paper, title: “‘Ndrangheta in Great Toronto Area: the latest developments of its governing body”.
It's the continuation of my previous one, published here:

https://gangstersinc.ning.com/profi...onto-area-canada-hit-but-still-too-power

I hope of your interest.

According to Italian authorities in 2010 there were about 40 members total in the Toronto region.

The Canadian board of control can have influence over the “entire ’Ndrangheta,” Italian authorities said last year.

“The governing body of the Siderno branch no longer operates only in Calabria, transmitting orders abroad, but also does so directly on Canadian soil, to give it a more effective and efficient command structure,” Italian authorities said in court documents.

Active members they mean. There is way more then 40 made men in Toronto lots are inactive

Josh hill is not italian. When did he say this? Do you have a link?

Only 1 ndrina and their specific groups were supporting desjardins

Their not inflated it's just alot are inactive

There is about 500 members but majority are inactive or only give advice

The commissos figliomeni and coluccio are not their own ndrina. The commissos,figilomeni and de maria are cosca within the siderno ndrina and coluccio-aquino is a cosca within the gioiosa ndrina and sometimes members from different ndrina/Cosca will form their own cosca for a certain racket

You can't miss reading:

https://www.cosanostranews.com/2020/06/latest-developments-of-ndrangheta.html


"... in-depth analysis of the ‘Ndrangheta in the Greater Toronto Area ..."

Great articles my man! I enjoyed both, they were very informative.

A couple questions if you feel like responding...

1. To which Locale does DiMaria owe allegience/ in command?

2. For that matter, how about Tavernese?

3. I know the Rizzutos were friendly with the Aquino- Colluccio- Bruzzese group, were they hostile towards DiMaria? The Commisos?

4. How do you think the relationship between the Rizxutos and the Colluccios affected the balance of power in the Camera Di Controllo?

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated...!! Hope there are more articles coming!

CabriniGreen,

1. Siderno Ndrina
2. Marina di Gioiosa Jonica Ndrina
I'll let some else answer the last two.

Dear CabriniGreen,

first of all, thanks very much for your compliments.
About your questions:

1. and 2. Giacomo_Vaccari’s indications are correct.
3. we can suppose that Rizzutos were hostile specially towards DiMaria (De Maria), considered a material participant in the attack against them; but probably they also understood the crafty game of the Commissos: to see what happened without apparently compromising.
4. the Camera Di Controllo has always been under the strict control of the Locali of Siderno.

My plans are to send a new article to the editor around the first weeks of July.
I hope you will find it equally interesting.
Best regards and thanks again.

Would Rizzuto being convicted in Absentia, for the Messina bridge deal play into all of this?

It was a bridge connecting Sicily and Calabria, Reggio I think, worth hundreds of billions of lira. Who were the Sicilians and Calabrese in on the deal?

Rizzuto is from the West Coast of Sicily, not Palermo. Was it Riina, Provenzano, etc?

Rizzuto was able to get Bravo murdered in Palmero tho.

I’ve seen Riina under questioning say to talk about “Reggio, you must mention Bagarella”. Why??

Bagarella is Corleonesi?

To which Tavernese are you referring? To the Vincenzo Tavernese named in the Operazione Il Crimine arrest warrants, vol. 3?

The year of birth stated for the Vincenzo Tavernese named in those arrest warrants is 1966, which appears to have been a typo -- the correct year of birth is 1955. This Vincenzo Tavernese was born in Marina di Gioioisa Ionica.

Then you have the Vincenzo Tavernese born 1950 in Siderno.

The aforementioned vol. 3 didn't explain the structure of the GTA Siderno Group in terms of place of birth in Calabria but, rather, in terms of alliances and axes of power that were made up of individuals descending from different parts of Calabria. The authority of these higher-ups -- Carmelo Bruzzese of Grotteria and Carmine Verduci of Oppido Mamertina, for example -- seems to have superseded that of the seven 'ndrina leaders who made up la commissione, or la camera di controllo, but important to note is that individual leaders such as Tavernese were allied with certain higher-ups.

The book Business or Blood... insinuated that Antonio Coluccio was behind a move against the Montreal Mafia. I'd suggest that there isn't enough evidence to make that a strong theory. What is clear to me -- perhaps to other posters who read that book? -- is that Montreal Mafia leaders were not afraid to go to the Toronto area to raise the issue of Sam Calautti's substantial longstanding gambling debt to the Montrealers, which Coluccio paid on his behalf.

Carmelo Bruzzese, the father-in-law of Antonio, appeared to be an important part of the Rizzuto organization (as distinct from the Montreal Mafia). Although Bruzzese was acquitted in Italy of being made into Cosa Nostra, there are still those who believe he was made into the Rizzuto organization.

Antonio and his two brothers are said to be related to the Commissos in the GTA who descend from Marina di Gioiosa Ionica. A first cousin of Vito Rizzuto's wife is Facebook friends with the wife of Cosimo Commisso of Thornhill. While in the GTA, Antonio was very close to Sicilian drug trafficker Ignazio Genua (son of Nicola) and to members of the Caruana-Cuntrera clan. When Giuseppe Coluccio fled to Canada in 2005, he travelled through and stayed in Quebec -- briefly? for a while? under the protection of Agostino Cuntrera? under that of the Montreal Mafia leaders?

Nick Rizzuto Sr. was a friend of Cosimo Commisso for at least 35 years, if not longer. Rizzuto Sr. spent time living in Toronto in 1987–88, and although Cosimo and brother Remo were in prison at the time, Rizzuto would not have been a stranger to the 'ndrangheta members in the GTA. Peter Scarcella was always close to Remo, and both Vito Rizzuto and Nick Sr. were close to Scarcella.

Always remember that, in 1998, the Commissos were a key ally in the Montreal Mafia's plan to increase its influence in Ontario.

Police intelligence regarding organized-crime groups and members of organized crime is often wrong. Who told the cops that Vito Rizzuto had a hit list of a half-dozen members of the Commissos in Ontario? What if the intelligence gathered was wrong? What if the informant got it really wrong?

Verduci did meet in his home north of Toronto with individuals from Quebec who were hostile to the Montreal Mafia leadership, likely hostile to Vito Rizzuto himself. But was Verduci representing the entire camera di controllo? Or was he trying to figure out what to do with his criminal career, given that an 'ndrangheta expert like Anna Sergi believes Verduci was being ousted from the GTA by his fellow 'ndranghetisti because of his friction with them?

I do think that some members of the camera di controllo resented Vito Rizzuto's power and influence in the GTA and elsewhere in the province, but to start killing one another over whether to maintain ties with him? This I doubt but cannot prove. No, I think that the GTA Siderno Group has had such internal dissent since at least 2008 that there was no time to intensely debate how much business to keep doing with the Montreal Mafia.

1. Are saying there are 2 Vincenzo Taverneses on the Camera Di Controllo? From Thornhill?


2. The article says that the Siderno people kicked the non Siderno people out. Sergi said as much in that video lecture on YouTube, but she didnt know why.....

3. In what way was Bruzzese an important part of the Rizzutos?

4. And If he was, you dont think this played into the balance if power within Ontario? This also goes to Double Affiliation, are you saying Bruzzese was ultimately more loyal to the Rizzutos?


5. I cant see 2 wives who are Facebook friends stopping bloodthirsty mobsters from plotting and scheming, no offense...


6. Why exactly would the Commisos benefit from a rise of Rizzuto influence in Ontario? More organized sportsbooks?

7. Montreal Mafia means..... Bonnanos? Or......?

8. Are you saying the Commisos wernt hostile to the Rizzutos, what about DiMaria?

Also, in these articles the idea was that closeness to mobsters in Montreal caused friction within the ndrine of Siderno.

Is that not correct?

Also, I dont view it from a lens of ndrangheta vs cosa nostra. To me, its business interest vs business interest. .

That's seems to be one of the main disconnects to me...

In terms of Bonnano- Rizzuto it's an organizational question, THAT conflict..... did the Rizzutos split?

In terms of Rizzuto- Commiso/Ontario, the conflict is based on competing business interest, at least that's how I see it..

It's never been entirely A Sicilian vs Calabrian conflict. That's just a generic way to describe it.....
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Did Ursino replace Stalteri?

And I mean, of course ANY mobster is going to demand a gambler who loses pay his debts, ESPECIALLY another mobster.

They wouldnt write it off.... even Gotti paid his debts.

Essentially you dont believe there was real conflict between the Rizzutos and Siderno?

As I far as I’ve been able to grasp the only tangible example of Siderno and Rizzuto really having problem, may be the death of Cosimo Commisso.

Vito himself was already dead, it seems like it may have been the alliance of HA and Rizzuto (ie. Wolfpack?), and Calabrese in Toronto, that are loyal to the system of business developed in Southern Italy (CN, Ndragheta, etc.) and it’s collective interests.

The divide in Ontario/Canada has to do with loyalty to either South Italy and everything from there, even NYC or those loyal to what is available in Canada, and their system.

Actually, not just Montreal, but closeness to ndrangheta figures who wereclose to Montreal caused friction...

so when posters refer to the siderno group it is the same as siderno 'ndrina.
i understand vincenzo demaria is part of the siderno group/ndrina but as what?the equivalent of a soldier working under the overall command of cosimo commisso?
and the board of control in toronto seems to have dissolved some years ago which would account for the mass of confusion as to how the ndrangheta operates in toronto.
there was no board except for the sidernos.


i dont care who is besties on faceback for this thread it is beyond irrelevant .

and i will say again the war in MTL was over drug territory via the ports, sports gambling and control of the city. it does not matter if they r sicilian or calabrian.

To put it in New York terms demaria is just a high level capo with a crew and angelo figliomeni is the capo crimini of the siderno ndrina in Canada and Italy because all the top guys in Italy are locked up and angelo didnt kick out the rest of other ndrina from the camera di controllo it's just their all in prison so basically its only the sidernese left on the board

The siderno group is just a police term that the cops use as a name for all the ndrina from the greater siderno area in Toronto

And relationships are always changing for decades Montreal and the ndrangheta were close vito rizzuto used to come to ndrangheta social clubs all the time in toronto but when he went to jail they turned on him what do you expect from scumbag mafioso vito out of all the mafioso in canadian history was the only good one

The Siderno Group of crime

The origin of the so-called "Siderno Group Of Crime", wanted by Frank Costello and Albert Anastasia - belonging to the American Cosa Nostra but of Calabrian origins - dates back to the 1950s and still indicates the Mafia families of Calabrian origin mostly coming from by Siderno who, although acting in different and geographically distant contexts, were and are still linked by blood ties and dependent on the mother gang, stationed precisely in Siderno where, after the death, in January 1975, of the "mammasantissima", Antonio Macrì, managing the whole thing is the powerful Commisso clan.

From Ntoni Macrì to the Commissos

As already pointed out in the past, in his memorial, the repentant Giacomo Lauro, in Canada to manage the growth of the criminal organization, strongly desired by the "boss boss", Antonio Macrì, have always been different "families" originating in Siderno and in particular, up to 1981 the year of his death, a Sidernese baker, Michele Racco, aka "Mike", a man of great trust of the Sidernese "capobastone" very close friend of the Corleonese chiefs Michele Navarra first, and Luciano Liggio then, but also of the 24-carat Calabrian bosses Domenico Tripodo and Mommo Piromalli.

After the killing, in a real ambush of 'ndrangheta taken in the Zammariti district of Siderno, by Antonio Macrì and after a period of substantial vacuum of command, determined by the inability to bear the "local" demonstrated by the natural heir ( a nephew of the capobastone) appointed to the succession, to the direction of the powerful clan was appointed Francesco Commisso, born in 1913, aka "U quagghia", already the right arm of the old boss of the two worlds, but was seriously injured during the deadly ambush damages of Don Antonio Macrì.

The real leap in quality of the clan, however, materialized when the reins of the Sidernese consortium passed into the hands of Cosimo Commisso, born in 1950, aka "U quagghia", son of Francesco Commisso. Already from the right arm of his father, the astute "Cosimino" had managed to create a real holding of international crime strong of the close plots of kinships and friendships woven with top representatives of the "Siderno Group of Crime", in particular in Canada, especially in the city of Toronto.

Criminal holding

In a short time the sidernese group present overseas has transformed, according to what has emerged in various investigations and according to what has been repeatedly highlighted by investigators of the State Police and by anti-mafia magistrates from Reggio and Calabria, in a real holding of international crime, of which, according to investigators, one of the main and current exponents would be Rocco Remo Commisso, born in 1946, cousin of Cosimo Commisso, who returned to freedom recently after a very long (over 20 years) detention period.

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