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damiano zummo ind ceremony info ?

Posted By: VitoCahill

damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 05/08/20 01:23 AM

for damiano zummo to carry out an induction ceremony in canada he would have had the blessing of either mancuso(boss) or cammarano jr.(ab).
the ceremony being carried out by an acting capo seems odd(crew unknown) seems odd.
zummo would hold the rank of soldier correct. i have never heard of a soldier holding a ceremony.so were there higher ranking bonanno leaders at induction that we don't know about?
was zummo chosen because... he has no record allowing him to travel freely into canada?his name shows up nowhere on any charts.
...because he represented a leader in the bonanno crime family
...because he shares a family connection w/ violis in ontario

lots of ??? but it was the most recent induction caught on tape and w/ an alleged split developing in bonanno admin during this time period it is an important question that may shed light on a new connection into ontario and quebec.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/25/21 11:14 PM

Are those Zummo's related?

Thomas Zummo (1940-1969) was a member of the Bonanno crime family. Thomas was a lieutenant in the DiGregorio faction. In 1966 Thomas was shot dead in the lobby of a Queens apartment building. Thomas was the last victim of the "Bananas War" of the 1960s.
Posted By: Louiebynochi

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/25/21 11:19 PM

He def had the backing of the Bonnano administration for the meeting. Believe his liaison was Porky and I know guys from the former “giannini crew” were involved...
Danny Zummo is a skipper, him and Sally Russo are doing time for coke...
The Viois we’re going to go w the bonnanos but ended up going with Buffalo even though Porky pushed for it...they ended up going w Joe Todaro Jr after they had a meeting in Florida....
Posted By: MikeM

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/26/21 02:14 AM

Louie, from what I hear it was Morena was pushing for Giuseppe Violi to go with Bonanno so he could tape the induction ceremony. Violi was too smart for him though. Morena would drop Sal Montagna name here when he saw an opportunity to throw his weight around. After Sal got clipped, he ended up in Toronto some where, it was there whete he met one of the Violi brothers and eventually ended up in Hamilton
Posted By: ColonelReb

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/26/21 05:29 AM

Did joey Massino ever give a reason why they whacked Tommy Zummo. It definitely wasn't part of the war because Rusty was mad about it telling Joey he's gonna investigate and try to find out who whacked him
Posted By: Sidney

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/26/21 09:26 PM

How do you know this? Who from the Gianni guys were involved , and I don’t think they are doing time
Posted By: chin_gigante

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/26/21 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by ColonelReb
Did joey Massino ever give a reason why they whacked Tommy Zummo. It definitely wasn't part of the war because Rusty was mad about it telling Joey he's gonna investigate and try to find out who whacked him


Massino was friends with Anthony Dedona, a Colombo associate, who got into an argument with Zummo. Dedona was worried because Zummo had a very violent reputation, so he went to Massino and asked if he would help kill Zummo. Massino, Joseph Pastore (Colombo associate) and Tommy Delio (Genovese associate) agreed to help.

The four conspirators went into a bar in Queens and saw him there. Massino stayed at the bar while the others went to Dedona's house. When Zummo left the bar, Massino called Dedona's house to let him know. The others then shot Zummo in the lobby of his building.

So they copped a sneak because they Dedona was afraid that Zummo would kill him.
Posted By: Louiebynochi

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/26/21 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Sidney
How do you know this? Who from the Gianni guys were involved , and I don’t think they are doing time



Paul Ragusa and Vinny Morena
Posted By: ColonelReb

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/27/21 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by chin_gigante
Originally Posted by ColonelReb
Did joey Massino ever give a reason why they whacked Tommy Zummo. It definitely wasn't part of the war because Rusty was mad about it telling Joey he's gonna investigate and try to find out who whacked him


Massino was friends with Anthony Dedona, a Colombo associate, who got into an argument with Zummo. Dedona was worried because Zummo had a very violent reputation, so he went to Massino and asked if he would help kill Zummo. Massino, Joseph Pastore (Colombo associate) and Tommy Delio (Genovese associate) agreed to help.

The four conspirators went into a bar in Queens and saw him there. Massino stayed at the bar while the others went to Dedona's house. When Zummo left the bar, Massino called Dedona's house to let him know. The others then shot Zummo in the lobby of his building.

So they copped a sneak because they Dedona was afraid that Zummo would kill him.

Great info chin! Thanks a million! I suspected it wasn't "the last killing in the Banana wars" due to Rusty Rastelli's reaction to Zummo getting whacked knowing Massino played a part in it. Do you remember your source for this? I'd like to add it to my file cabinet
Posted By: chin_gigante

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/27/21 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by ColonelReb
Originally Posted by chin_gigante
Originally Posted by ColonelReb
Did joey Massino ever give a reason why they whacked Tommy Zummo. It definitely wasn't part of the war because Rusty was mad about it telling Joey he's gonna investigate and try to find out who whacked him


Massino was friends with Anthony Dedona, a Colombo associate, who got into an argument with Zummo. Dedona was worried because Zummo had a very violent reputation, so he went to Massino and asked if he would help kill Zummo. Massino, Joseph Pastore (Colombo associate) and Tommy Delio (Genovese associate) agreed to help.

The four conspirators went into a bar in Queens and saw him there. Massino stayed at the bar while the others went to Dedona's house. When Zummo left the bar, Massino called Dedona's house to let him know. The others then shot Zummo in the lobby of his building.

So they copped a sneak because they Dedona was afraid that Zummo would kill him.

Great info chin! Thanks a million! I suspected it wasn't "the last killing in the Banana wars" due to Rusty Rastelli's reaction to Zummo getting whacked knowing Massino played a part in it. Do you remember your source for this? I'd like to add it to my file cabinet


Massino's testimony at Basciano's trial
Posted By: Sidney

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/28/21 03:38 PM

Oh that’s right, I’ve read a lot about Ragusa , always wonder where he belongs , some articles said the Gambinos while other the Bonanno . I wonder what his place will be? Is Paul a made guy ?
Posted By: NYMafia

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/28/21 03:53 PM

Another little known fact about this kid Vincenzo Morena is that when he lived in the Middle Village section of Queens, he was actually affiliated with Colombo captain Pasquale (Fat Patty) Catalano and that crew.

In fact, Morena was pinched with Patty and one of Patty's friends on loansharking charges in the mid-1990s. He was just a 24-25 year old kid, who Patty used for collections and whatnot.
Posted By: WhackWhack

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/29/21 01:55 PM

OK can someone clarify once and for all?

This making ceremony, was the guy an undercover cop or an informant working for the cops. Some stories make it seem like he is an actual Donnie Brasco type and other articles call him a "worker" for the Canadian cops because they don't want to say Rat/Informant.
Posted By: CalabrianWatcher

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/29/21 02:44 PM

He was an undercover agent yes, no informant.
Posted By: NYMafia

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/29/21 03:09 PM

Vincenzo Morena was a mob figure who doubled as an 'Informant,'

He was NOT a undercover police officer such as Donnie Brasco was in the 1980s in NYC.

Morena was essentially just a rat who turned on his friends. But in Canada they refer to 'informants' as police undercover operatives which gives the reader the wrong impression that they are some type of policeman.

He 'turned' on his former associates, thats all.

In the United States he's called a rat, stool pigeon, informant.
In Canada he's called a 'police undercover operative.'

But it's actually one and the same thing.
Posted By: CalabrianWatcher

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/29/21 04:36 PM

oh that's very interesting, I hadn't realised the double reference between US/CAnada, just assumed it was the Canadian way! Thanks!
Posted By: Sidney

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/29/21 11:58 PM

Wasn’t this morena in the Gianni crew?? How did he end up in Canada ?
Posted By: ColonelReb

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/30/21 08:52 AM

He started out in Fat Patty Catalanos crew around Middle Village Queens. The other dominant family in this area were the Bonanno's. fat patty died from my recollection on the late 90s.
Posted By: WhackWhack

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/30/21 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by NYMafia
Vincenzo Morena was a mob figure who doubled as an 'Informant,'

He was NOT a undercover police officer such as Donnie Brasco was in the 1980s in NYC.

Morena was essentially just a rat who turned on his friends. But in Canada they refer to 'informants' as police undercover operatives which gives the reader the wrong impression that they are some type of policeman.

He 'turned' on his former associates, thats all.

In the United States he's called a rat, stool pigeon, informant.
In Canada he's called a 'police undercover operative.'

But it's actually one and the same thing.



Thank you. I knew it was a rat piece of shit and not an undercover but thanks to the lying media it took me years to actually confirm what I suspected.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/30/21 02:45 PM

ENZO Morena was born in Italy.
Posted By: Sidney

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/31/21 07:22 PM

How did he end up in Canada ?
Posted By: Hollander

Re: damiano zummo ind ceremony info ? - 03/31/21 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sidney
How did he end up in Canada ?


After doing time he was deported to Italy where he lived with his wife and son until 2011 when he decided it would be easier for him to sneak back into Canada than the US.

He flipped and began cooperating with the RCMP after he was arrested in 2014 in Montreal as part of a coke smuggling ring.
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