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Posted By: Zero6245

Joel cacace - 08/14/18 02:03 AM

When cacace reportedly ordered a hit on police officer ralph dols in 1997, did he suffer any backlash from any higher ranking mobsters? Did allie boy persico, or any other bosses have a problem with cacace for ordering the murder?
Posted By: DuesPaid

Re: Joel cacace - 08/14/18 02:26 AM

What could they do?

All those guys went Cowboy in the 90's
Posted By: NickyfromTampa

Re: Joel cacace - 08/14/18 02:48 AM

I don't think there was a whole lot of police pressure after the hit, which is what the mobsters would have been most concerned about. The police thought it was the Russians for years.
Posted By: bronx

Re: Joel cacace - 08/14/18 03:37 AM

hello Nicky, there was a ton of pressure..
Posted By: NickyfromTampa

Re: Joel cacace - 08/14/18 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by bronx
hello Nicky, there was a ton of pressure..


Hey Bronx. Cacace was always "in the mix as a suspect" (Gang Land News) but you gotta remember wiseguys don't kill cops. Gus Farace was murdered for it. Here's a Gang Land News article from Sep. 10, 2009:

Who killed Police Officer Ralph Dols?

The feds say the 1997 murder in front of his Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn home was a mob hit, one that was ordered and orchestrated by a jealous high-level mobster who was outraged that the young, muscular housing cop had married the wiseguy’s ex-wife.

But could Russian organized crime figures have done it?

In the days after Dols’ slaying, that’s what scores of witnesses and tipsters – including confidential police and FBI informers – were telling detectives investigating the execution slaying.

Time and again, for one seemingly valid reason or another, numerous Russian gangsters were fingered for the slaying and investigated by police, according to court papers filed in the pending murder case against imprisoned Colombo consigliere Joel (Joe Waverly) Cacace and two mob underlings.

Within hours of Dols’ death, for example, police were told by a confidential informant that a Russian hoodlum had killed Dols because the cop was putting pressure on his “drug dealing operation,” according to a 10-page-long government summary of suspects and possible motives that was filed in Brooklyn Federal Court last week.

The tip quickly gained credence with police. First, detectives established that Dols had caused the Russian hoodlum’s arrest a few weeks earlier when he spotted him waving a gun at the Cozy Tavern, a bar across the street from the cop’s home. Then, Dols’ widow reported that her husband had become “very upset one night” soon after when he spotted the gunman in the neighborhood.

Like the Cozy Tavern tip, many of the 12-year-old leads – which authorities now say were wrong – portrayed the housing cop’s murder as retaliation for stellar police work. But several investigative leads, which officials also state were erroneous, had Dols being killed over disputes with various unsavory characters involving “narcotics and steroids allegations.”

Even while police were investigating allegations involving Russian organized crime figures, “Cacace was always in the mix as a suspect,” said one law enforcement source, who noted that the 10-page letter dealt only with information that did not link Joe Waverly (left) to the murder.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: Joel cacace - 08/14/18 11:26 AM

10 page summary of possible suspects? Damn, dude had some enemies huh?
Posted By: jace

Re: Joel cacace - 08/15/18 04:19 AM




Originally Posted by dixiemafia
10 page summary of possible suspects? Damn, dude had some enemies huh?




Agreed, he sounds like an extremely corrupt cop. It sounds like if he was not killed he would have been indicted eventually.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Joel cacace - 08/15/18 07:15 AM

this is dumb but whats worse and its no real answer they killed a nun and a cop. tommy gieoli is lucky
Posted By: NickyfromTampa

Re: Joel cacace - 08/15/18 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by pmac
this is dumb but whats worse and its no real answer they killed a nun and a cop. tommy gieoli is lucky


Tommy Gioeli is VERY lucky. The 2008 case was strong enough to become an indictment as it was. Then Joseph Competiello flipped and made the case stronger. Then Big Dino Calabro flipped and made the case stronger. Then Sebby Saracino flipped and made the case stronger. Then Gioeli got acquittals for all murders apart from a murder conspiracy and is going to walk out of prison in his early '70s, young enough to continue his career in the Colombo family.
Posted By: bronx

Re: Joel cacace - 08/15/18 12:57 PM

the guys bensonhurst were harassed and surveilled .the o.c. strike force was putting pressure on a lot of italians, not saying the russian theory was not followed up ,it was
Posted By: NickyfromTampa

Re: Joel cacace - 08/15/18 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by bronx
the guys bensonhurst were harassed and surveilled .the o.c. strike force was putting pressure on a lot of italians, not saying the russian theory was not followed up ,it was


You're probably right bronx, I'm just going off the Gang Land article. I think that, even if Cacace and Co. were suspects, nobody in the Police Department really thought that the Mafia, when they were at their most vulnerable (in the late '90s), would kill an NYPD officer for the first time since 1909.
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