Easiest family to become made?

Which major family would u say is the easiest to become inducted in to?

If I had to guess

1. Bonanno
2. Colombo
3. Gambino
4. Lucchese
5. Genovese

If you want to swap 3 and 4 go ahead

1)Colombo
2)Bonanno
3)Lucchese/Gambino
4)Genovese

Out NY:

1)Decavalcante
2)Philly
3)Patriarca
4) Detroit (the family is very based on blood ties)
5)Outfit (few made men and a huge numbers of associates)

Why do you put Colombos 1st, Furio?

Because they are the most weak and little of the 5 families,plus mostly of its attivities are in Brooklyn and if they made larry sessa in prison for sure they are in desperate search of wiseguys.

Larry Sessa been with the family since the mid-1980s, a loyal enforcer and shylock, tough guy, did some work in the Colombo war, got shot at by Orena rebels, kept his mouth shut and did some decent stretches in prison before being made. What qualities does he have that you think should have barred him from induction?

Sorry I dont know the sessa history but the fact that was made in prison let me think that the colombos had a desperate need of made men. Anyway I think that the colombos is the most easy family where be made.

Has nothing to do with easiest !

It has to do with who you know or who you were born into .

The Boss has everything to do with it !

Fascinating, how the difference between Cosa Nostra mobsters being made in prison is desperate. But when you compare Thieves in Law, then being crowned in prison is more honorable than on the outside.

The thievs in law born as prison gang during soviet times where the possibilities to be send in a gulag or a prison was very frequent,so go to jail and dont speak even being tortured was a sign of brave. While in the cosa nostra every mobster doesn't want to go in prison so (in the us) they must pay prison gang to protection.

@Furio - He was slated to be made in December 2010 but the ceremony was cancelled due to heavy law enforcement pressure. The following month came the huge indictments. Sessa was in Brooklyn lockup and the entire street administration were there too so, out of respect for him, they inducted him then and there. I don’t see how that screams desperation at all. It really makes no difference whether they made him in prison or waited until he was released. It’s not like he can be an active soldier in prison. It was out of respect for him scheduled to be made the previous month.

No family is the easiest. These are some bizarre questions. Serp hit the nail on the head. It all depends on the people you are close to and who is willing to propose you. 99.9% of the time you're not gonna even get close to getting inducted into any family unless you're from where they are from and you got at least one heavyweight vouching for you. The Colombos have always been the smallest family, but that doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing.

Kenny Gallo called the Colombos the most "ghetto" of the five families. Considering how far he infiltrated that family while being nothing more than a dope peddling surfer boy from Southern California, I'm guessing the Colombos' standards for getting made are low.

Guess all you want, but the evidence shows otherwise. Just because they brought on a drug dealing Asian as an associate doesn’t prove their standards for induction are low. Gallo was an intelligent, wealthy earner who had connections to mobsters from across the country before hooking up with the Colombos.

Well aren’t some families more secretive than others? If a family is more, its likely to be harder to become a made member.

Kenji had been around for many years and had a good reputation for a time, but he's far from being the most truthful cooperator. He claimed to have been close to John Baudanza, which simply wasn't true. It is true that he met and associated with many of these people, but not to the extent he claimed. After all, this is somebody who once complained about being rejected by the boys in NY. His extreme bitterness towards them completely nullifies his credibility.




Just because one family has had more cooperators than some of the other families or had the misfortune of having been infiltrated doesn't mean that family is any less secretive. The rules are the same for everyone. Did every Bonnano trust Donnie Brasco? No. In fact, most didn't. There's a Lefty in every family.

All circumstance , that family was a top family but it comes back to the boss how much has the Feds pressure them at the time ,and the Colombo’s were a good family at one point and shit happens . The Westside had a great run and it slowly is unwinding and that came down to a boss letting guys take plea deals.

And that Gallo was around Teddy and Teddy was broke and drugged and drunk everyday when he got out till he went back in . He was broke because the blood family knew he was lose and greedy and see where that got him . They are hoping he has changed this run but I doubt it he is a bad apple but he will kill.

Getting into the Los Angeles family today probably isn't very hard. I'm sure a surviving Milano owns a porn shop somewhere in the valley. Go in there and give him a $20 dollar bill and tell him you want to go on record, and you're living the wiseguy dream.

@Serpiente: You do realise that Teddy has been cited multiple times as the family’s likely heir, and Kenny himself said he would move up to boss fairly quickly after his release? Not to mention he was on the familys ruling panel when he was busted in the 2010 indictment. Doesn’t sound like a person whose “blood family knew he was lose and greedy”.

Kenny Gallo sounds like a very low lever associate who built up his reputation by testifying in cases. His own version of. meeting with Teddy Persico makes him sound small. He said he bought them some girls for sex, and had a limo. Mafia members he had met showed up with Persico, and took off with the girls, just telling Kenji Gallo thanks, and leaving him there standing around like a fool. He thought he was going to be bought along. I have never seen him listed as made, or even that high up as an associate. I do think that the Colombos may be the easiest to get made into. The Genovese and Gambinos sound as if they have tougher requirements.

Of course he’s never been listed as made, jace, he’s Asian for Christ’s sakes.

TRADER

Freedom Fighters, Not Rebels.

They can be the same thing. Ever seen Star Wars?

The Colombos was hit hard by LE due the many rats they had that hit the members with very long sentences so they have to replace the men on the streets that what I mean with "desperate to made people".

Colombos members arrested from 2010.

http://theblackhand.club/forum/view...;hilit=Colombo+family+imprisoned+members

March 2010:
Capo Theodore "Teddy/Skinny" Persico Jr.
Soldier Thomas Petrizzo


May 2010:
Underboss John "Sonny" Franzese (IP)


January 2011: 
Soldier Frank "Frankie P/Cap" Politi


January 2011:
Acting Boss Andrew "Andy/Mushy" Russo
Acting UnderBoss Benjamin "The Little Guy/Claw/Benji" Castellazzo
Consiglieri Richard “Ritchie Nerves” Fusco
Capos Joseph "Junior Lollipops" Carna, Theodore "Teddy/Skinny" Persico Jr (IP), Dennis "Fat/Little/The Beard" DeLucia and Reynold "Ren" Maragni
Acting Capo Anthony Russo
Soldiers Emanuele “Manny” Favuzza, Vincent “Jimmy Gooch” Febbraro, Joseph Savarese, John Maggio, Nicky Rizzo, Ralph Scopo Jr. and Daniel Capaldo


August 2011:
Capo Theodore "Skinny Teddy" Persico Jr. (IP)


January 2012:
Acting Consiglieri Thomas “Tom Mix/Mr. T” Farese


April 2015:
Soldier Giovanni “John” Cerbone


July 2015:
Acting Capo Luca DiMatteo

@Furio: Good work there, but which of those members were hit with "long sentences?" Skinny Teddy Persico Jr. was given a ten year plea and Joseph Savarese was given eight or nine. That's about it.
So no, two made men being given relatively lengthy sentences does not make a family "desperate" for new members. And let's not forget that in the grand scheme of things, ten years isn't even that long for a relatively young wiseguy.

Secondly, the majority of those busts hit one crew, Teddy Persico's Dyker Heights/South Brooklyn crew. Of course there were minor busts elsewhere but, as you can see, none of them hit any crews particularly hard. So no, one crew being hit with a big bust in the past decade also does not constitute a desperation for new blood. Elderly Joseph Carna being indicted doesn't really affect his crew's need for new blood. Luca DiMatteo being arrested does not hurt his crew that much since the bust revolved around one particular shakedown victim, and not an entire racket or industry.

Thirdly, the Colombos have skated off relatively easy on busts and, more importantly, relatively easy in terms of sentences. The 2011 indictment mostly (the key word here is MOSTLY) fizzled out for the Colombos, with their acting boss getting only a little more than a "time served" sentence, Benjamin Castellazzo getting roughly four years, etc. Hell, their acting consigliere was acquitted. Compared to the Bonannos, Luccheses, Gambinos and even the West Side, the feds seem to have put the Colombos on a backburner for the most part. The 2008 and 2011 indictments were the only ones that could have really affected the overall structure and chain of command.

In summary:
You're statement about many members being hit with long sentences isn't accurate because most people took lenient pleas.
The only bust that was able to take down and disrupt a proper crew was the 2011 indictment of Teddy Persico. The others took down the heads, sure, but not whatever manpower and new recruits are beneath them.
The Colombos haven't even been busted that much compared to a lot of the other four families, so it's a pretty strange point to make.

Ok Nicky I understood my mistake.

Fair enough, cheers for conceding that Furio.

Good post. Id say the colombos are quietly making a comeback. Not to the levels like the Bonannos did in 90’s, but id say the colombos r slowly recovering.

also the bonannos making a comeback in the recent years
they have recruiting a lot of made guys
also mancuso is about to get out
i would say the lucchese family are at the worst time right now (with all of their admin are in the can)
but as far as who is easier to get made into ? i have no idea...

the bigger the family has more spots to be filled technically. agree with serp whose your sponcer and how much clout he has and how much he is pushing for you to get made i cant think of a example of my head but ive read a few times a capos pushing for a guy to get made for a yr or 2 but the books are closed then the boss goes to jail or maybe the guy trying to get inducted so if takes time. like the guy from the colombos bf guerra is a persico family friend and did a ton of time and the time to get inducted just never got set up and the guys been proposed since the 90tys and still isnt made. unless they did it in jail to. if i waited 20 30 yrs to join the mob doing it in jail would suck but it would have to do. sammy the bulls explanation about his induction in his book was a good chapter. he felt like he was floating

1. Bonanno
2. Lucchese
3. Colombo
4. Gambino
5. Genovese

Bonanno family is the most desperate. Looking at who has been made into the Colombos and Luccheses since the mid 2000's, Lucchese would be easier while the Persico family inducts blood and relatives more. The Gambino family with the zips have made it tougher to be made, while the Genovese family raised the requirements as well. One of the biggest things is what Serp posted above. It all depends on who you are around, grew up and who the Boss is of that family.

Makes sense to me. Also where you come from, and how you earn your money and how much you share that money with the mob.

They propose to BF Guerra to be made but he refused because he made more money as associate and be made would comort more feds attention and another people who want your money.

Hi

Like I have said in the past Furio just talks about things & makes statements that he has no idea what is true or not true but a lot people stick up for him when they should not.

He is just trying to be relevant but unlike I that only know what I lived he actually knows or trying to know all he can from books and websites. Think he is just trying to hard.

Serp where are you from

I would've thought the Philadelphia Mob Family since the Stanfa era was the easy answer here.

Stanfa wasn't picky, sometimes perhaps out of necessity/desperation; Merlino strikes me as someone who would induct a guy no questions asked if he was brought a large enough bag of cash.

Yeah Moe NY or whom ever really left him hanging..... what a mess that time was . Stanfa had some relatives in Ventnor (still do) that’s the only news we would get cos nobody here really knew him.

N.E. I am from jersey AC

He was also direct with the acting boss (Little Allie Boy) in the 1990s so it's not like getting made would be particularly beneficial to his career unless he was aspiring for leadership himself. I assume you're referencing this article Fur: https://nypost.com/2011/10/31/la-cosa-nostra/

But, we know he didn't outright refuse it like Joseph Petillo did. Guerra was scheduled to be inducted in December 2010, so we know there was no outright refusal. This tape-recorded statement from B.F. when he was talking to Tommy McLaughlin seems to sum up his feelings:
"I don't know. Sometimes I scratch my head and say, 'I wonder if it's even fucking worth it.' But what I am gonna do?"

Yes Im referring to those article but in a Pogo chart on the colombo men inducted since 2000s there are no Guerra name.

http://theblackhand.club/forum/view...ng+ceremonies+colombo+Teddy+petsico#p566

February 2000: (Residence in vicinity of Ave T in Gravesend, Brooklyn)
Dino "Big Dino" Calabro (sponsored by Tommy Gioeli)
Andre D’Apice
Luca DiMatteo (probably sponsored by Ralph Lombardo)
Anthony Strapoli


Early/Mid 2000:
Joseph "Joey Flowers" Rotunno


Mid 2000: (Residence in Babylon, Long Island)
Ralph DeLeo


Early 2004: (Residence on West 6th St in Gravesend, Brooklyn)
Joseph “Joey Caves” Compatiello (sponsored by Dino Calabro)
Dino "Little Dino" Saracino (sponsored by Dino Calabro)
Sebastiano “Sebby” Saracino (sponsored by Dino Calabro)
Craig “Little Craig” Marino (sponsored by Joseph Baudanza)


2005: (Apartment in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn)
Michael "Mikey" Souza (sponsored by Dino Calabro)
Frank “Frankie BF” Sturiano 


2005/6: (Residence in Greenpoint, Brooklyn)
Michael “Mike the Electrician” Catapano (sponsored Sonny Franzese)
Vincent “Downtown Vinny” Manzo (sponsored Tommy Gioeli)
Michael Uvino (sponsored Sonny Franzese?)


2005/6:
Carmine Baudanza (sponsored by Joseph Baudanza)


2008: (Basement of a Social Club in The Bronx)
Reynold "Ren" Maragni


February 1, 2009:
Anthony "Big Anthony" Russo
Emanuele “Manny” Favuzza
Joseph Savarese
Daniel Capaldo
John Maggio
FNU “Sally from Coney Island” LNU


January 12, 2011: (ceremony held in prison)
Illario “Fat Larry” Sessa


2011-2016:
Robert Tarantola
Phil LNU - ?
Angelo “Little Angelo” Spata - ?

Ren and Allie were tight since teens or possibly before and Allie took him everywhere and hooked him in NY and Florida even as young men Ren would be with Allie up state skiing and living up pretty good and he flipped on them quick.

there was a wiretaap of the colombo street boss deleo from boston talking about he inducted 6 guys at either foxwoods or mohegun sun casinos in the woods of connecticut, nice was thou. 2008 09 before he was busted. yes i remeber reading bf guerra talking like hey if they make me whatever. he couldnt get made when he first got out of prison after along time cause he was doing time for drugs and massino had a rule anyone convicted for drugs had to wait 5 yrs after they came home which makes zero sense cause they already did the time but.

How many think Michael P is not made ?

Indeed it´s a family affair.

i think they made him before he started his 4 yr bid speaking of which i look what place hes at.............................. allenwood low realese date is 12/15/21. he has like 3 and half yrs left. id bet russo inducted him personly so no other made guy from any other family can talk down to him without being a major beef. fat tony made the numbers king jimmy nap in like 1975 before he started a few year bid to protect him and so noone could chump him.

jimmy nap was well into his 60tys to like michael age 61

There is no debating that Michael Persico is NOT made. He was indicted in 2010 and 2011 as an associate and has been, after much delay, sentenced for his crimes. Until his 2010 bust he was posing as the legitimate brother, the civilian of the Persicos even though evidence shows that he is not. It’s not like his criminal career is a mystery either - Big Anthony Russo was under him for most of his criminal career and testified that yes, Michael was an associate.
That being said, he definitely had the standing of a capo or higher. When Big Anthony was a capo and tried to start a valet business, Michael stopped him and essentially took it over. When Teddy Persico was on the family’s ruling panel, he discussed wanting to whack somebody but said that he had to “talk to Michael about it.” Unless Michael was ssupposed to organise or execute the hit, which is unlikely considering his status as the white-collar “legitimate” Persico, we can assume admin member Teddy wanted to clear it by Michael or at least consult it with him. That’s indicative of Michaels status in the family and he has no reason to get made because he has enough clout as Carmine Persico’s son and definitely does not want the heat. Also, if someone wants to do some digging into his files, I think Greg Scarpa mentioned how Michael was not made but had a “special status” in the family equivalent to being made. Take that how you will.

@Furio: The reason Guerra is not on Pogos list is because, as I mentioned before, he is not made. He is an associate but was proposed for membership at least twice, and was scheduled to be made in December 2010 alongside Angelo Spata, Larry Sessa and Phil LNU until the ceremony was cancelled due to heavy LE heat. The heavy heat came from wired-up Tommy McLaughlin, who witnessed Manny Favuzza handling a gun to be used for the ceremony. Big Anthony filled him in on the ceremony and all the details because Tommy was a longtime associate that was close to Big Anthony and Larry Sessa. It was detailed in the Jan. 2011 indictment. The crazy thing is, Larry Sessa, a slated inductee, had to provide the gun for his ceremony himself! He was pissed off about that and ranted to Tommy M about it, since he was on supervised release and couldn’t carry a firearm.

nick from tampa you really think michaels dad or brother lcn lifers wouldnt tell howevers in charge my son, my brother, not going into the federal prison system at 60 yrs old. to do 5yr as a simple bag man .im just taken a wild guess this dude the son of the boss has been a associate for so long making major money keeping his dad and brother afloat the least they could do, make whoever was in charge last xmis plug my little brother in before he turns himself in. so no one fucks wit him. no other familys gonna say no. the only thing maybe he said no. we wont no till a new rat flips. i think michael went to jail like rite after xmis last yr. andy rusoo could have gave him the whole big deal

michael persico was on bail i dont even think house arrest till he turned himself in last yr. he was indicted in 2011. good lawyers i guess

Anyway Guerra will be out soon in 2021 so maybe than will be made.

What? Jesus Christ, are you saying that either Carmine or Allie Boy Persico have any sway over the decisions the federal justice system make...... Come on pmac don't disappoint me now. You really think the Persicos can tell "whoever is in charge" to let Michael get no jail time even though he took a five year plea?

Serp

Where were you when you were on vacation maybe we know each other

No you not following what im trying to say. Michael had to turn himself in December i think to start the 5yr bid. Carmine snake and his brother allie probaly told whoever was or is acting colombo boss in december stop whatever your doing and make sure you induct michael into the family before he starts his bid. The guy has been a associate of the family sense the day he came out his moms vag. Nothing about the federal prison officials. His brother just probaly wants him to be inducted so no one from another family could treat him like a bitch cause hes not a lcn member. He probaly said no anyway. But he could have gotten made i think rite before he went to jail

He clearly doesn't want to be made. Why would Carmine or Allie suddenly decide to induct him the moment before he starts his shylock bid? Doesn't make sense. If he wanted to be made, he'd be made. He has as much sway in the family is a capo or higher.

I'll stick up for @Furio.
If you've slated him before as you say, why do it again?

For the Colombo's between 2000 and 2008 were terrible years as they had a LOT of defectors four captains:

1) Paul Bevalaqua
2) Dino Calabro
3) Raynald Marangi
4) Anthony Russo

Big hit and they whacked Wild.Bill

And at least as many made men flipped as well.

Since then the feds have not really hurt them at all.

Reynold Maragni and Big Anthony Russo didn’t flip until 2011 and Dino Calabro in early 2009. But yes, lots of soldiers flipped during that time.

And yes, the feds definitely hurt the Colombos post-2008 in the Jan. 2011 indictment which featured 36 Colombo family defendants including their entire street administration and four capos (Carna, DeLucia, Persico Jr., Maragni) and acting capo Russo.

The colombos rly were in bad shape at that time. Im surprised that family recovered as well as it did. No big indictments for a while after 2011. Guess whoever was runnin the show was very smart.

Following the bust, Dominic Montemarano was made "acting underboss" - the highest ranking position on the streets at the time - and Thomas Farese was made acting consigliere. Gang Land News named Montemarano as being a more viable interim boss than Farese, who was indicted (and acquitted) later that year on money laundering charges. So Montemarano probably ran the family for a few years but I doubt it was a permanent position because he was called into New York from his semi-retirement in Los Angeles, where, despite some sources saying he's active in organized crime and Kenny Gallo, who met Montemarano a few times, calling him an L.A. "capo," he seems to have kept his nose relatively clean by getting into legitimate businesses (I remember reading he went into legitimate business with Tommy Gambino - Carlo's son) and showbiz. He was thoroughly investigated for some dodgy shit including a point-shaving scheme with UCLA quarterback Cade McNown and other football stars, but nothing came of it and apart from a domestic violence arrest in 2001, he has a clean criminal record following his 1984 conviction.

Michael Persico didn't need his button he has the respect of alleast a capo.

He is in low security fed camp with guys who cheated on his their taxes.

If he was maybe going away to state prison they might of given him his button so nobody would mess with him.

I doubt that was necessary.

The last I heard from a reliable source that was in Saricino's crew was that D'arpice was being groomed for admin position one day.

He is a Persico cousin.

The Colombo's are making a killing today in the business cash advance Business.

It is the new wall street
They have been in it for about 10 years now.

The same guys that were doing the pump and dumps.

They are a lot smarter now and not trying to make any noise.

Give it a couple of years and the feds will be all over it.

Legalized loan sharking

@Bensonhurst, you make some interesting points. Andre D'Apice is, yes, a cousin and a second-generation Colombo wiseguy. He was inducted in the Colombos FIRST induction ceremony after the books had been closed since the war - Feb. 2000. Remember, he was only 24 at the time which shows his significance. He worked with Teddy Persico Jr. following Teddy's release in 2004. We know that Teddy was the family's heir and would later go from soldier-to-admin himself. So you could be on to something about D'Apice, but afterall, for all we know is he is a soldier and has never been anything more.
On the cash advance thing, the Colombo month from this month alleges that soldier Vito Difalco and associate Joe Maratea ran loansharking through Maratea's pawnshop and payday lending business which was located above Vito's bar in Dyker Heights. So again, you could be on to something. The Colombos have been into a lot more white-collar shit than people give them credit for, like Anthony Stropoli and his stock fraud scam and the Colombo's lucrative construction rackets which weren't even investigated for years. Ralph Scopo Jr. took over Sr.'s concrete union pretty much the moment Scopo Sr. got his 100-year Commission case sentence and was able to make millions under the radar for decades, with nobody batting an eye over the fact that the man behind the Concrete Club's son was running the same union.

D’Apice could be teddy’s acting capo while teddy is in prison. Goin back to the colombo leadership, ya think it’s possible the colombos got a street panel runnin things, keepin the seat warm for teddy jr?

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For right now I am seeing the white collar guys doing the cash advances and the street guys peddling pills.

That's where the money is right now.

The guys peddling the pills they have a Dr. Under their control and they send a hand full of people to get scripts, the people getting the scripts are selling them to dealer for $15.00 A pill they flip a whole bottle for $1700.00 A month

And the dealer pushes The pills for $25 A pill.

The colombos are still putting money on the street in Bay Ridge and BensonHURST.

For the most part they are keeping a low profile and not really hanging out in social clubs or the bars and clubs like they used too.

Must be a lot harder for L.E. to keep tabs on them.

I mean if the feds can't hit the admin at least once every 10 years than the Feds have a problem.

Good post Bensonhurst, 100% agreed. Dyker Heights is still a powerbase for the Colombos. D’Apice could definitely be acting capo, he’s been close to Teddy since his release from the can in ‘04. The pill thing is spot on too, that’s how Ambrosio Fabbro made a good bit of his income and the case alluded to the fact that there was more going on.

Hi

Have these people that you talk about been arrested because if not you guys drop names like you are on a witness stand. Do not get mad but think about it. Now if they have been charged & convicted then it must be in the court hearing on what you all are talking about

Yes, and yes. They have lengthy arrest records coupled with court documents and hearings. BensonHURST is a street guy for sure but all of my information can definitely be verified and if you want to know the specific details and source of something I posted, just ask. Don't just post a vague warning without even doing some research on what we're talking about.
In fact, if you've been reading this thread at all, you'll see I frequently bring up people's cases, arrests and trials. So you know that at least a big chunk of these people have been arrested already. My advice to you is to actually read the thread and, if you've got questions on specific cases, just ask.

Hi

You were not being accused of anything that is why I asked & I may have been with some of these guys. That is all.

Fair enough, but I've mentioned cases and trials various times throughout the thread and your tone implied (to me) that you thought we were carelessly dropping these guys' names.
You're from Brooklyn then?

Hi Nick

No I am from RHODE ISLAND,