Rizzuto Family Chart before Vito arrest in 2004

http://gangsterreport.com/the-montreal-m...ated-revisited/
https://panamericancrime.wordpress.com/2...ot-and-mastiff/

Sorry for eventual mistakes


Thanks to Ciment and Antimafia

Boss:Vito "Don Vito" Rizzuto
Consigliere:Paolo Renda/Nick Rizzuto sr

Underboss:Francesco Arcadi

Capos:

Liborio “Poncho” [BadWord]
Frank Arcadi(get 15 y in 2008)

Arcadi's crew

Lorenzo Giordano
Frank del Balso (get 15 y in 2008)
Franco Pellegrino
Giuseppe Torre
Angelo Follano
Giuseppe Devito
Antonio Capitanio
Domenic Macrì
Carmelo Cannistraro
Carlo Narvaez
Ray Kanho
Pietro D'amato
Frank Faustini
Rudolfo Ignoto
Domingo Lecompte
Carlo Sciarraffa
Stacey Krolik
Alessandro Sucapane
Vincent Lemay
Charles Battista
Dany Martinez
Enio Bruni
Desiderio Pompa
Giuseppe Fetta
Achille Torre
Domenico Velenosi


Italian made men or associates

Johnny Bertolo
Domenico Macri
Frank Velenosi
Mario (Skinny) Marabella
Sam Fasulo
Freddy Del Peschio
Agostino [BadWord]
Liborio Sciascia
Antonio Di Salvo
Larry Lopresti
Giuseppe (Joe Closure) Colapelle
Joe Renda
Giuseppe (Smiling Joe) Di Maulo
Emilio Cordeleone
Vincenzo Scuderi
Moreno (The Turkey) Gallo
Rocco (Sauce) Sollecito
Angelo D’Onofrio (Semi-retired)
Vince Spagnolo
Antonio De Blasio
Manuel Cachiero
Carmelo Cannistraro
Anthony Capitano
Rocco Caruso
Dany Ceccere
Pietro D'Adamo
Marco DePasquale
Matteo DePasquale
Antonio Dell'Ermo
Roland Devantro
Marco Cerone
Dino DiQuinzio
Nello DiRienzo
Frank Faustini
Giuseppe Fetta
Angelo Follano
Adolfo Foriero
Nino Fratolillo
Rodolfo Ignoto
Jody Lazore
Frank Moscato
Natalino Paccione
Marco Pedicelli
Franco Pellegrino
Giovanni Petrella
Emilio Rafeli
Eugenio Reda
Raffaele Ricci
Giuseppe Spinello
Alessandro Sucapane
Tony Tallarita
Archille Torre
Giuseppe Torre
Michele Torre
Domenico Velenosi
Franco Ventulleri
Girolamo DEL BALSO
Nicola DIMARCO
Louis MARCONE

Non Italian associates

Constantin (Big Gus) Alevizos
Walter Gurierrez
Mohamed Awada (Desjardins associate)
Gaetan Gosselin (Desjardins ally)
Juan (Joe Bravo) Fernandez
Roger Valiquette
Chadi Amja
Kamel Aloude
Ricardo Arias Brenes
Luis Arruda
Jean Balmir
Rony Bardales
Ivan Bayter
Marilyn Beliveau
Jose Castillo Martinez
Nanct Cedeno
Julie Fleury
Peter Dafniotis
Sherry Darling
Gaetan Dugas
Stephane Dupuis
Jean Dussault
Ralph Duval
Jose Flores
Martin Joliecoeur
Ray Kanho
Stacey Krolik
Amelie Lachance
Claude Lanthier
George Lapas
Paul Labrasseur
David Lechasseur
Domingo Lecompte
Dany Martinez Canas
Mihail Mestidis
Carlos Orellana
Joao Parreira
Sebastien Pierre Louis
Jean Reacarld
Omar Riahi
Nick Rogopoulos
Samir Salame
Jerome Shenandoah
Ramona Shenandoah
Andrea Ramos
Sylvain St Marie
Manouk Tsilingerian
Gary Yessaian
Tarlochan BAJAJ

Just briefly skimming through this list, I count at least 27 murder victims. That's some life they live.

This is a 2004 list after 13 y more of them are dead or in prison if they was lucky.

Thanks to Lupara and Ciment and Antimafia from GBB forum for the help.


Boss:Vito "Don Vito" Rizzuto

Crew Bosses:

Franceso Arcadi (acting boss)
Rocco Sollecito
Joe Di Maulo
Moreno Gallo
Agostino [BadWord]
Juan " Joe Bravo" Fernandez (representative in Ontario)

High-ranking members

Lorenzo Giordano
Francesco Del Balso
Emanuele Ragusa
Domenico Arcuri
Francesco Cotroni
Vincenzo Di Maulo
Antonio Volpato
Antonio Vanelli
Valentino Morielli
Domenico Manno
Vincenzo Spagnolo
Frederico Del Peschio
Antonio Mucci
Antonio Pietrantonio
Andrea Scoppa

Younger generation:

Nick Rizzuto, Jr.
Leonardo Rizzuto
Liborio [BadWord]
Stefano Sollecito
Mario Sollecito
Lorenzo LoPresti
Joseph Mark Sciascia
Robert Manno
Domenico Arcuri, Jr.
Antonino Arcuri
Nicola Spagnolo

Associates

Raynald Desjardins
Giuseppe Devito
Ennio Bruni
anuel Cachiero
Carmelo Cannistraro
Anthony Capitano
Rocco Caruso
Dany Ceccere
Pietro D'Adamo
Marco DePasquale
Matteo DePasquale
Antonio Dell'Ermo
Roland Devantro
Marco Cerone
Dino DiQuinzio
Nello DiRienzo
Frank Faustini
Giuseppe Fetta
Angelo Follano
Adolfo Foriero
Nino Fratolillo
Rodolfo Ignoto
Jody Lazore
Frank Moscato
Natalino Paccione
Marco Pedicelli
Franco Pellegrino
Giovanni Petrella
Emilio Rafeli
Eugenio Reda
Raffaele Ricci
Giuseppe Spinello
Alessandro Sucapane
Tony Tallarita
Archille Torre
Giuseppe Torre
Michele Torre
Domenico Velenosi
Franco Ventulleri
Giuseppe SOLLECITO
Giuseppe COLAPELLE
Girolamo DEL BALSO
Nicola DIMARCO
Louis MARCONE
Chadi Amja
Kamel Aloude
Ricardo Arias Brenes
Luis Arruda
Jean Balmir
Rony Bardales
Ivan Bayter
Marilyn Beliveau
Jose Castillo Martinez
Nanct Cedeno
Julie Fleury
Peter Dafniotis
Sherry Darling
Gaetan Dugas
Stephane Dupuis
Jean Dussault
Ralph Duval
Jose Flores
Martin Joliecoeur
Ray Kanho
Stacey Krolik
Amelie Lachance
Claude Lanthier
George Lapas
Paul Labrasseur
David Lechasseur
Domingo Lecompte
Dany Martinez Canas
Mihail Mestidis
Carlos Orellana
Joao Parreira
Sebastien Pierre Louis
Jean Reacarld
Omar Riahi
Nick Rogopoulos
Samir Salame
Jerome Shenandoah
Ramona Shenandoah
Andrea Ramos
Sylvain St Marie
Manouk Tsilingerian
Gary Yessaian
Tarlochan BAJAJ

How many of them were also part of the Bonanno family's Canadian crew?

When Sal Montagna got deported to Canada some of his recruits were:

Moreno Gallo
Joe Renda- nephew of George Scascia(Bonanno)
Lorenzo Lopresti- son of Joe Lopresti (Bonanno)
Domenico Arcuri-Domenico sr is cousin or brother Joe Arcuri(Bonanno)
Antonio Arcuri-Domenico sr is cousin or brother Joe Arcuri(Bonanno)
Antonio Pietrantonio

He also formed an alliance with Raynald Desjardins/Vittorio Mirarchi & others to overthrow the Rizzuto's.
Sal got too ambitious and made a fatal error by attempting to murder Desjardins & failed. Desjardins retaliated & put a hit on Sal Montagna.

The guys who joined Montagna were Bonanno members or associates. Montagna was also planning to make Lorenzo LoPresti, who would follow in his father's footsteps. Some of the older guys in Montreal were members too, including the ones killed on the Rizzuto side.

The Montreal crew was de facto indipendent and become indipendent stop to paying tribute to Massino after Sciascia murder; Montagna after was deported back to canada was a simple soldier that tried to take the rizzuto family and doesn't had real power because was easly whacked.Now the young guys like Leonardo Rizzuto try to rebuilt the family and made an alliance with Salvatore Cazzetta a prominent biker and with haitian gangs.

Fantastic job Furio!!!

Thanks Jimmy

Montreal kept sending tribute to NY for years and years after the Sciascia murder and to say that Montagna didn't have any power and was 'easily' whacked is complete and utter bullshit.

So what are your sources Billy ? When Vito made an alliance with irish,haitians and bikers for smuggle coke dont asked the ok to NY and if the bonannos sent Montagna to take control of the montreal crew why the war dont ended immediatly ?

According to multiple turncoats (Vitale + Cicale, just to name a couple) NY still got a yearly tribute from Montreal and just the fact that Montagna could create a civil war proved that he had some REAL power.

https://www.google.it/amp/nationalpost.c...ut-the-case/amp

 On March 18, 1999, the bullet-ridden body of Gerlando Sciascia was tossed from a truck into a Bronx street.

Sciascia was known in New York as “George from Canada,” a nickname noting his position as the Montreal mob’s man in New York’s Bonanno Family, one of the famed Five Mafia Families of New York.

Sciascia’s murder, at the time, was a mystery, and police scrutinized his wake and funeral as dozens of ranking mafiosi paid respects to the Montreal gangster.

Renda was among the mourners, according to testimony from Salvatore “Good-Looking Sal” Vitale, who was the Bonanno Family’s underboss at the time (but who since became a government witness.)

He described Renda as a “goodfellow in our family.” He was also a relative of Sciascia’s.

The significance of the murder, however, as would later be revealed, was that it was secretly ordered by Bonanno boss Joseph “Big Joey” Massino, who asked his inner circle to never let Rizzuto know as he did not want to alienate the powerful clan of mobsters in Montreal.

The murder severed Rizzuto’s link to New York. He largely turned his back on the American gangsters from then on. The regular flow of “tribute” money from Canada to New York also ended.

“He was very hurt by what happened to George,” Vitale said of Rizzuto.

The Sixth family book has several passages and testimony of Salvatore Vitale. It seems to support that ties were severed with the killing of Gerlando Scascia.
I made a small outline of what was said in the book.

-Gerlando Scascia was killed in March 1999.
-Massino tells Vitale that no one is to know who killed Scascia and to keep it a secret.Massino didn't want Montreal to know he ordered the killing
-2001 Massino made one last attempt to bring the "Sixth family" into line. The elimination of Scascia severed New York's direct link to Montreal. Massino had first sent Frank Lino,then secondly Anthony Spero.
- 2001 On the third time he sent Salvatore Vitale & Anthony Urso
Vitale tried to offer Vito Rizzuto the position of captain but Vito evaded the question and changed subjects.
-Vitale heads back to New York to report to Massino. Massino gets upset because the talks did not go well.
- Vitale was caught on conversation complaining that a captain in the Bonanno has fewer than 10 soldiers and some captains have as few as 3 soldiers. "We don't have enough men Vitale" said.
The author goes on saying it was a fool's offer to Vito who commanded twice as many made Bonanno soldiers in Canada and made men in the Sicilian tradition.
-Jun. 2004 Vitale now informant was asked,"does the Bonanno family operate outside of the United States?"
Vitale replied "yes". He said it was Vito Rizzuto, he was later asked what position does he hold and Vitale replies acting captain. Vitale made reference that Vito as being in charge of Montreal but not having accepted the invitation from Massino to officially be named a captain. (This made no sense)

The book went on to say that it was Vito that called the shots in Montreal not Massino.

@ Billy, I think that came from Cicale, not Vitale.


@ Furio

A lot of people feel the Sixth Family was too sensationalized, like it made the Rizzutos seem invincible. I argued with Alfa on this very point, and the fuckin AUTHOR OF THE BOOK came on here!! Lol ( Billy, I'm sure you remember...)

They probably have a point, there. But it happens with every book, these people have a " perspective issue", you always see your world as the center of everything.


Billy, I know people think Montagna had a lot of power, and maybe he did.

Honestly, all I see is the Gambinos and the Siderno group high command giving him the go ahead to make moves up there. Then hanging him out to dry. Cause understand, the Gambinos were partners with Nick Rizzuto since the 70s.

Here this as my source........
The most intriguing of the dozens [BadWord]-Caruana enterprises was a cattle-breeding company on an extended ranch in the state of Barinas, close to the Colombian border. It had its own private airstrip. A special task-force of the Venezuelan intelligence-service DISIP looked at this farm called Ganaderia Rio Zapa, established in 1971. (49) The shareholders of the firm represented the creme-de-la-creme of Mafia heroin-movers in those days:

* Salvatore 'Cicchiteddu' Greco, the former head of the overall Commission of the Sicilian Cosa Nostra, and one of the pioneers in the international heroin trade (50);
* Nick Rizzuto, a lieutenant in the Montreal-based Cotroni Family, but highly independent and in fact subordinate to the Sicilian Mafia (i.e. [BadWord]-Caruana);
* Antonio Napoli, a high-ranking made member of the New York Gambino Family and 'the biggest mover of junk to the United States' (51);
* John Gambino, a relative of Carlo Gambino and boss of the Sicilian faction of the New York Gambino Family (52);
* Brothers Angelo and Francesco Mongiovì, figure-heads of the [BadWord] in Caracas and Italy's financial centre Milan. According to a DEA report, Angelo's son Nino Mongiovì married Paolo [BadWord]'s daughter and was the 'super manager for drugs of all kinds passing through Miami'. (53)


(NOTE HERE, VERY IMPORTANT, THIS IS THE HIGH COMMAND FOR THE OPERATION, NO BONNANOS TO BE SEEN, they matter, WHEN THE DOPE GETS TO NY, and then it's like they get first buy, maybe even they get it on consignment....)




The DEA spotted them investigating the Napoli brothers of the Gambino Family in New York. Antonio Napoli had moved to Venezuela and was a partner in a [BadWord] business. At the time DEA headquarters figured the trail irrelevant; nevertheless, special agent Tom Tripodi was sent to Caracas. DEA-analyst Mona Ewell told reporter Claire Sterling that Tripodi "came back with the whole thing." (54)


Also notice, Napoli is a Gambino soldier, ( not Bonnano) I read on another forum, one of his relatives I think was Inzerillos underboss in Sicily? Don't quote me on that one I forget.

(See the whole issue is DID RIZZUTO ANSWER TO THE SICILIAN MAFIA OR THE AMERICAN MAFIA?)



Now, understand. This is one of the heads of the Cupola, Rizzuto, Gambino, AND the Caruana clan, all partners here. ALL HEAVYWEIGHTS.

Essentially, I believe John and Frank Gambino were basically kind of predecessors of Rizzutos in the international ITALIAN drug trade. But with the Cherry Hill bust, Iron Tower, Riina in Sicily, the Gambinos operation was in disarray for awhile, and the Rizzutos filled the void.

I think since, about 99-2000 or whatever, the Gambinos, and SICILY in general were trying to rebuild that structural tie.

So a move on the Rizzutos, I believe ultimately benefitted the " New " controllers of the drug trade, the Sicilian families allied with the Gambino's and Bonnanos ( always for distribution in NYC with the Bonnanos...) the Calabrian clans, and so forth. But it's really a return of the status quo. In fact, maybe you could say it's just a rotation of leaders.

The problem for the Rizzutos was that cocaine was the new thing, and the Calabrians controlled the coke, so they had the leverage. Same situation they had with Violi years prior. And WHO got the Calabrians their coke, who managed the shipments? The Caruana clan. So all these people have been partners in the same business for a long time. That 5000 plus kilo load seized from the Caruana clan was for the CALABRIANS, not the Sicilians or the Americans, and this was in like 1994.

So you got Gambinos meeting with Calabrians in Toronto, facts.

You got the Gambinos and Bonnanos splitting market share in NY, facts.

You got the Sicilian mafia running the dope trade like a joint stock venture, facts.

You got Sicilian gangsters (BOSSES) flying across the Atlantic to meet with Cali, a top Gambino, ( Not Bonnanos, that I know of or heard of, they might, have truthfully I don't know..) with family ties to the clan that previously ran the international drug trade, facts.


You got Colombia, who lost faith with the Sicilians because of a series of bungled shipments, that pushed them further into the Calabrians orbit, facts.

You got the Caruana clan, whom at first appearance look to be Bonnano agents, as they work extensively with Rizzuto, but they have been in the drug trade since the 50s or earlier and their allegiance appears to be based on that. OPINION, ( I believe it to be facts..) LOL

They managed a 5000 plus kilo load of cocaine paid for by a consortium of Calabrian families, years before Montreal war began, so they had established and significant business ties, definite business reasons to side with the Calabrese over the Rizzutos, facts.

Billy' you read Mafia Republic right? There was a part in there where Dicke says that the American LCN was pissed that the Sicilians tried to cut them out of the Coke trade, they probably felt it should have been handled the same as the heroin, along the same Routes.


See this is why it's significant that the first people Montagna met up there were the Calabrians. Not the " Canadian Bonnanos" or whatever. And WHO got him that meeting? Speculation on my part, but my money is on someone from the Gambinos.

All the people he made alliances with, had something to gain from the Rizzutos being outta there.

Then you have the Violi brothers angle, with the vendettas. I think it's a complicated situation there, MUCH bigger than Montagna.






Cicale DID say they were still sending tribute. But I feel like this is a gross misunderstanding. The tribute was said to be 25gs, then a 100 grand.
Okay, to an organization bringing in millions of dollars worth of narcotics, dude, I think Vito LOST A LOAD OF HASH, LOST, MIND YOU, worth over a couple hundred mil. Those couple few thousand were just the cost of doing business. Like a fee you pay, you could even call it an " import fee" lol.


I feel like the relationship is like a gas supplier to a gas station magnate to borrow a metaphor from Gomorrah. The Gambinos and Bonnanos are like fuckin Macy's, right? ( or Walmart) Well the Calabrians and Sicilians are like Levis or Nike. Both NEED each other, but Macy's don't run Nike and Nike don't run Macy's, but their places in the market MAY allow one to dictate terms to the other depending on how business is going.


Just anyone tell me, what was Montagnas strength up there? Was it the Bonnano Family Montreal crew? I mean Americans stationed in Montreal? Zips?
I think his strength was that everyone was Calculating a bigger slice of the Montreal rackets for themselves with Vito In jail, and the arrest on their hierarchy. And he could take advantage.


He was using the street gangs for his muscle. Made guys in NY don't send the Bloods to pick up the Union payoff or their loan action, or sports book winnings.

I dunno, I see the drug trade as a partnership between the Italian Mafias and the American families, something that spans multiple countries, nations, command structures. I mean I don't think Cali or Cefalu just " Tell" Sicily what to do. People didnt think Mancuso was really in charge, but he can tell Montreal what to do? I think it's more like, they could dictate who they could or could not sell to in NYC. ( And frankly, that may not even be true..) It's weird to me... Basciano was literally the lowest ranking man at Bonos wedding, as far as the DRUG TRADE WAS CONCERNED.

If ANYONE woulda been giving Canada orders, it seems like it woulda been him. My opinion. This whole saga is the most interesting topic in Italian OC, I MO....

In short Billy, I feel the Gambinos and the Calabrians used Montagna to get rid of the Rizzutos for them.



Edit: It might be a mistake to look at the Rizzutos as the top of the chain, it might be the Caruana clan, who answer ultimately to the Cupola, or what ever clans invested in the drug shipments. And they might have been usurped by the Calabrians, who have all the drug connects in the world, AS WELL as an established base in northern Italy for money laundering. Also they are tho MOST global mafia, active on every continent.


Quick question, anyone know if the Bonnanos got a piece of the Montreal construction, that big sports book they had up there, like the traditional rackets? I DO believe the Bonnanos may have some say there.

But then we never identify WHO are the made guys up there loyal to the Bonnanos. Another reason why the recent arrest were so intriguing, because it was a Bonnano in Cananda making a guy and telling him specifically " YOU ARE WITH THE BONNANO FAMILY". Instead of just making a Sicilian born mobster who may or may not even have real loyalty to your organization. It's just Sicilian Mafiosi " initiated" into the Bonnanos for the sake of not stepping on the Americans toes.

Rizzuto to reminds so much of a guy like Coppola. Coppola technically I think wasn't even a CAPO. Just a soldier like Vito. But he ran an international drug operation, was a trusted ally of SEVERAL families, picked HIS OWN BOSSES SUCCESOR in Sicily, was close to Leggio and the Coleonesi, actually was called the most powerful crime figure in Italy at the time of his death.

I mean I know technically the Detroit guys outranked him but give me a break, lol....

Actually, one more point, even Sciascia confounds me.

Was he killed cause he hit Cotronis son?

Did he offend Massino or Gotti?

Was he Vito's man in NY, or NYs man in Montreal?

Yet he clearly seemed to disrespect the chain of command in NY, I can't see him being " New Yorks" man.


@ Billy

I know you frequent the other forum, I know you saw the big thread on the Sicilian Gambinos.

There was lot on there on how John Gambino acted pretty autonomously, even though he was technically under the American structure. Also on how he was basically respected like a boss, not a soldier. It also said Cheech Gambino was on his way to being a mafia leader, but he wasn't even made in the American families I don't think. This was from informants in Italy. Lol, as I say that, it might be more of that geographical bias, but not in the case of Gambino, I don't think...


All these big mafia drug guys look the same to me. Very autonomous, very powerful, always connected to multiple families on both sides of the Atlantic.

I am of the same opinion that Montagna was used by the Calabrians.The Gambino's would not jeopardize their relationship with the Calabrians just because of Montagna's own ambitions. Montagna was in Montreal for one reason(he was deported) and decided to make the best of the situation.

Scascia did not have Cotroni's son killed.The killer Gerald Gallant confessed he was with Rock Machine, outlaw biker gang that were warring with the Hells Angels. Cotroni's son did business with the Hells.
With regards to Scascia, some say he had dual membership. He was a Bonanno made man but he also was a member of the Rizzuto Sicilian clan. If he were still alive, I believe his loyalty would be with the Rizzuto's.

New York Times Ex-Mob Boss Tells Jury, Calmly, About Murders
By LIZ ROBBINSAPRIL 14, 2011

The cross-examination of a Mafia turncoat started quietly and predictably enough on Thursday. Joseph C. Massino, the former boss of the Bonanno crime family, spoke matter-of-factly about having to kill one of his closest associates, simply because he had disobeyed protocol.

“As much as I didn’t want to kill him,” Mr. Massino said of the 1999 murder of Gerlando Sciascia, “I had to kill him.”

NEWSNEW YORK
Massino ends testimony; hopeful
By ANTHONY M. DESTEFANO
anthony.destefano@newsday.com
Updated April 21, 2011 10:58 PM

During his testimony, Massino indicated that while mob members risk death by committing a murder without approval or by lying to the family boss, enforcement of those rules was erratic. For instance, Massino said he had Bonanno captain Gerlando Sciascia killed in 1999 because he didn't seek approval for the slaying of another mobster's son. But Massino then said he didn't kill another Bonanno mobster who apparently lied about slaying a couple who specialized in robbing mob social clubs.

Ciment,

A poster on another OC forum had requested and obtained an FBI file in which intelligence was gathered that offers another possible motive for Massino's having Sciascia killed. Although I believe the intelligence to be way off the mark, I present a summary of it here--not as fact, mind you, as neither did the aforementioned poster, who is a very reliable researcher.

According to the file, a nephew of Gerlando Sciascia had a physical altercation with one of Frank Cotroni Sr's sons. I am certain the former is Giuseppe "Joe" Renda and that the latter is Paolo "Paul" Cotroni. Apparently, Paul hit Renda in the face and did some damage, breaking Renda's jaw. Furthermore, according to the intelligence gathered, Sciascia retaliated by arranging to have Paul murdered. Further still, Massino felt he had no choice but to have Sciascia killed because Sciascia had not sought permission to kill the son of a made man, i.e., a son of Frank Cotroni Sr.; in particular, the file states that Massino had Sciascia killed because of pressure from Cotroni Sr. or Cotroni Sr.'s supporters, who wanted Massino to follow mob protocols.

The most serious flaw with the intelligence, of course, is that Joe Renda, born in New York, was a made Bonanno, whereas Paul Cotroni was not a made man (and quite frankly, had he lived, would never be made in his lifetime). This particular intelligence gathering is a perfect example of why law-enforcement intelligence can be very wrong. I would add that this type of intelligence is also wrong more often than we think.

I wish some website would publish massinos debriefing like how the smoking gun did sammy the bulls. They published like 40 pages of sammy just telling the agents everything he could remember. Massino was a boss for over 15 yrs after sammy flipped.

I thought West End leader Raymond Desfossés was behind the murder of Cotroni.

Yep, just like John Dickie said, those Trans-Atlantic DTO's/Blood families emerging in the early 70's were in a lot of ways bypassing the traditional Cosa Nostra power structure, both in the States as in Sicily. Clans like Inzerillo/Spatola/DiMaggio/Gambino and Rizzuto/Cunrera-Caruana are like royal houses. I know there are rules in Sicily that no more than 2 blood family members can be in a certain Cosca, but I bet they find ways to circumvent those rules.

http://www1.journaldemontreal.com/2014/gallant/jour4.html

Thanks for sharing. Interesting story from intelligence but I will explain why I do not buy it. Paul Cotroni got killed in 1998, that was during the biker war which began in 1994 and continued to 2002. The two warring biker gangs were the Rock Machine (arch enemies) of the Hells Angels back then. While they were at war you had mafia members doing business with both biker gangs. That came to an end when Mom Boucher complained to Rizzuto. Rizzuto & Mom Boucher struck an agreement. From then on Rizzuto's men were not to do business with the Rock Machine. A good example of this was the Rizzuto feud with Gervasi. Gervasi's were close to the Rock Machine and defied Rizzuto. In the year 2000 Paolo Gervasi son was found in the trunk of a car parked in front of his father's house Paolo Gervasi. In 2004 they killed the father too.

The reason I gave all this background information is to illustrate that if Sciascia would of ordered a hit on Paul Cotroni he would of used the services of the Hells Angels not the Rock Machine that had resentment towards the Italians for siding with the Hells. Gerald Gallant, the guy that killed Cotroni was a hitman for the Rock Machine. He also confessed that the Italians are with the Hells Angels. Cotroni did business with the Hells and that is what did him in. According to investigation reports,Johnny Plescio a Rock Machine member,had warned Paul & Frank Cotroni jr. not to frequent the Hells Angels & friend Scott Steinert(HA).
For your read reference I have included the above Journal de Montreal article.

Gerald Gallant worked for Raymond Desfosse.
Raymond gave the contract to Gerald Gallant & got his friend Gerard Hubert to help him with the murder.

I remember reading that book 6th family and somethings sal vitale said on the stand. George from Canada was the capo in charge of the montreal guys atleast he reported to massino in nyc. George had a bonanno soldier in the montreal crew joe lopresti killed for reasons who really knows probaly drug deals somehow. This guy lopresti is a a inducted member probaly by carmine galante when he started mass inductions into the family 76 77 till he died. Lopresti also in the bono wedding drug kingpins pictures wit all the herion guys. George told vitale they killed lopresti before he asked permission from massino who i dont think was boss in 1992 or maybe he was acting from jail. Ironically lopresti had a son whacked a few years ago and just gonna guess his father was also a bonanno controni guy back in the 50tys.

Always excellent reading your posts Cabrini! What we don’t know if there are just a crew or two of the Bonanno and Gambino families who have the connections to Canada or if there’s something bigger at play, possibly lead by the leadership of those families.

Reading your posts in the thread, that make sense. Also, consider the Rizzutos/C.untrera-Caruanas are all from Agrigento. The timing of the Rizzuto takeover of Montreal makes me wonder how closely it was tied into war in Sicily: Violi was killed in '78... The Corleonesi (Riina/Provenzano) gained a control over the Cupola in Sicily in the mid/late-seventies and wiped out the Palermo leadership faction (Bontade/Inzerillo/Badalamenti/Sicily Gambinos) by something like '83.

I wonder how closely these two wars are tied? The Palermo group was obviously very close to the Gambinos and the Bonannos were close as well, via families in Castellamare del Golfo. When the Corleonesi took over they kept working with the Gambinos, with the later using John Gambino as their emissary back to the Cupola. The Cotroni family in Montreal were historically very close to the Bonnanos (and possibly the Gambinos to a lesser extent), so I wonder if the Corleonesi backed Rizzuto's takeover of Montreal in order to have more loyal allies in the US? That's always been something I've wondered: Who was loyal to Riina in the US/Canada when he took over? The Gambinos fell in line after the Corleonesi takeover, but I doubt they were the only Corleonesi connection in the US/Canada. Sicily seems to still be split to this day between the Palermo and Corleone faction.

I think assuming the war in Montreal is just a simple breakdown of Sicilians vs Calabrians is naive, but I don't think it's too far off. Some educated guessing here:

* The Rizzuto/C.untrera-Caruana takeover of Montreal was backed by more powerful groups in Sicily than we realize (not just their families in Agrigento). Possibly they were backed by Toto Riina and the Corleonesi in order to have strong allies in North America outside of the Gambinos.

* The Rizzutos still kept an alliance with the Bonannos for a very long time until George from Canada was killed which seemed to have damaged the relationship beyond repair, though they still work together at a smaller level

* The Corleonesi war against the Italian state and against the Palermo group led to a huge crackdown against LCN and also killed off generations of talent... it wiped out a lot of strength from their bench so to speak, making the Sicilian Mafia much weaker overall.

* The Calabrian 'Ndràngheta quietly stayed under the radar and avoided headlines, building their own connections for drugs in Latin America and setting up bases all over Europe, Canada, and with mobsters in the US.

* Vito Rizzuto did an excellent job keeping all of the different factions in Montreal relatively happy and at peace, but when he went away to prison it created a huge power vacuum. It seems like Project Colisee really hurt the power of the Rizzuto group and the people left out on the street who were trying to run the family were simply not respected and/or feared enough to keep all of the different factions from going to war. That’s when we see old vendettas and beef start to bubble up and leads to the current war that’s lasted since about 2009.

* Around this same time we see Cali and the Gambinos trying to re-establish their historically strong ties to the Palermo faction in Sicily. The Gambinos are also rumored to have connections to different 'Ndràngheta groups, likely in Ontario. It wouldn't surprise me either to find more evidence in the future of the Sicilian Mafia and the Calabrians working together.

* With the 'Ndràngheta taking control of the drug trade in Europe and the Gambinos wanting to re-establish control in Sicily, they possibly decide to fill the leadership vacuum in Montreal and form an alliance to push out Rizzuto. It's possible the Sicilian faction of the Bonannos were involved too and wanted to re-establish strong ties with Montreal. Which is why Montagna backed a faction trying to oust the Rizzutos even though Sal himself is Sicilian. Sal was probably too hotheaded and not diplomatic enough to pull everything off, but I wouldnt be surprised if he was somehow trying to reestablish both the Bonannos connections in Montreal as well as connections with the Gambinos in both Canada and NY.

* The Violis in Hamilton seem aligned with the 'Ndràngheta as well. They may have been made into the "Todaro Family" of Buffalo way back when it existed, but (guessing here) I don't believe it's still a thing now in spite of the recent reports from law enforcement. I believe they were made into Buffalo decades ago but Buffalo as a traditional LCN structure doesn't exist: The people left are loyal elsewhere (Hamilton? Calabria?). They're more like a drug network than an American LCN family.

Long story short, the Bonannos realized they made a mistake backing the Rizzuto faction, the Gambinos wanted to re-establish connections in Sicily, the Palermo faction is trying to regain control of what they lost in Sicily, the Violis wanted revenge, and the Calabrians being the dominant worldwide mafia group all helped push out the Rizzutos. There’s probably a strong network of Calabrians between Ontario, Montreal, Hamilton, Buffalo, and NY with the Gambino (& maybe the Bonannos). The reason we're hearing about made "Bonannos" in Canada is because the Rizzuto group is out of power and the Bonannos are re-establishing their presence.

But, here's the thing, I dont think they've been completely successful and obviously, some of the Rizzuto group is still in power. Montreal may split up now with no one group in total control... with no rats it's hard to tell. The reality is probably a lot more complicated and not as clean cut and neat as we think it is.

A very plausible and nuanced analysis Stubbs..

Thanks, speaking of the West End is Allan “the Weasel” Ross still around? He would be in his 80s but he was one of the biggest traffickers in North America.

Kristian Gravenor, who runs the Coolopolis blog spot, tweeted back on October 13 that Ross was close to death -- see https://twitter.com/CoolopolisMTL/status/918956802355671040. As far as I know, Ross is still alive.

Last time I heard he got a life sentence serving time at Lewisburg jail in PA. I do not know if he is still alive.
Yes he was consider one of the top five trafficker in North America. The Irish mafia in Montreal control the port.He dealt with Italian mafia, Bikers and Colombians.
I have a book on, Montreal's Irish Mafia: The True Story of the Infamous West End Gang by D'Arcy O'Connor, it contains several passages of Allan Ross.

Thanks Anti and Ciment, I was a few years off he's 73.

ALLAN ROSS
Register Number: 52368-080
Age: 73
Race: White
Sex: Male
Located at: Butner FMC
Release Date: LIFE

@ Stubbs

+100

yes, Yes, and YESSS MY MAN, GREAT POST!!!


That thing up there is a VERY complicated situation, with multiple factions involved.

I'm open to dissenting opinions of course, but I really think the Montagna thing was like a " Tony Bananas" situation. He was gassed up to make a big move the REAL players didn't want their signature on....

Also, giving credit where it's due, I read this on the Blackhand.....
It was reported by an informant in Italy that Carlo Gambino was running an immigrant smuggling operation in the 70s, THROUGH Montreal, with the Cotronis headed up by Paolo Gambino. This is where all the Zips in NYC were coming from.

So the Gambinos had established ties with The Montreal Cotronis, the Toronto Calabrians, have a power base IN SICILY, connections to South America.
They are kinda CENTRAL to all of this. Speculation on My part.....

I awhile back, I asked the question on the boards.... Did Cali, replace Rizzuto as the top Italo-American narcotics trafficker.

He had the connections to Sicily, his relatives were accepted immediately as bosses. ( I know there was deadly tension from guys like Rotolo, but still, he might have been in the minority... Cause I think Nicchi was corleonsesi, but he was with Cali and them....) he's got authority in NYC, where the drugs end up.

He's got his import export company, and we know John Gambino had connections to South America, plus there are the meetings with the Cocaine laden Calabrese.....



It seriously used to baffle me, guys treating all this stuff like isolated incidents of drug trafficking. You can trace a straight line from today, all the way back to Rothsteins drug operation with Lansky and Luciano, and guys like Coppola.

The only time in history this shit has been interrupted were the Two world wars, and the two bombing campaigns in Sicily, that lead to the State crackdowns. Other than that, it's seamless.......




They are, I believe the missing link in all this......

Also @Stubbs



You are spot on, in that the TIMELINES for all this stuff has to be really considered, also understanding that all this stuff is connected, from South America, to Sicily, to NYC, to Canada.

Like you point out, Rinna had wiped out the Gambino Palermo faction by 83, Iron Tower happens in 84, Castellano gets hit in 85, I think John Gambino and Frank Gambino gets locked up in what, 88-89-90? Rosario was deported I think.... So they were really under siege from all sides for awhile there......


But once Riina finally was taken off the streets, how would Palermo and Sicily eat again? The drug trade. What do they need to make it work? Access To NYC. What family is connected at all point in between, Sicily, NYC, and South America? The Gambinos.

Another thing about Montagna I don't know if it's been considered....


If he had a Bronx based crew, like his own guys, why not take at least SOME of em with him?

It's weird he started using street gangs instead of his own associates, or THE MEMBERS OF THE BONNANOS IN CANADA LOYAL TO THE FAMILY!!!!

In my best Vito Corleone voice, " Montagnas a pimp, he never could have out fought Vito, but I didn't know to this very day, that it was Gambino, all along....."

One hypothetical.....

One of the factions that would have benefitted from the Rizzutos being gone WAS THE STREET GANGS.

And what did we see? Montagna using them for pickups....


So they go from just street level drug dealers, to now actually knowing where the extortion payments go, WHO TO EXTORT AND WHAT COMPANIES.
Consider that Montagna doubled the tribute, likely cause he had to give the Gangs a piece. He certainly COULDNT guarantee a better coke price, not better than the Calabrians, or anyone from Rizzutos camp.

And it was the Frenchman who controlled the docks I think.

He probably had the Violis in his corner, so I think they play a major part in all this..... They might be the ones with the connections, not sure.......

The docks in Montreal have been controlled for as far as I can remember by the Irish mafia but they have always had close relations with the Italian mafia. In fact they also do business with other crime groups.
Montagna did recruit people that were loyal to the Bonanno's. He was also clever enough to first seek approval from the Calabrians in Ontario. Where his fatal mistake was betraying Raynald Desjardins the brother-in-law of Joe DiMaulo a Cotroni made man,who has been loyal to the Bonanno's for decades.Had Montagna not made this mistake he might of had a chance to succeed. He also needed the Cotroni's on his side for his plan to work. Montagna had also recruited the Arcuri's also loyal to the Bonanno's.
The question I ask myself is, was Montagna getting bad advice by the Arcuri's who may have had ambition plans of their own and did not want competition from the Cotroni clan.

Montreal organized crime at this present moment is fractured. You have several powerful drug lords/clans and street gangs dividing territories. Some are backed by what I call the big three Mafia, Ndrangheta and the bikers.Years ago it was the bikers that were feuding, now it's the Italians.

I believe that made the Rizzutos very powerful was the Consortium aka an alliance between italians,bikers,west end gang and haitians.

The italians controlled the ports using the street gangs to distibute the coke and splitting the $$$ was more lucrative and avoid turf wars but require a respected and feared boss.
Nick sr with the c aruana [BadWord] impored coke from the venezuela and nick sr was arrested here in the 1970s.
The bikers in canada was more powerful in canada so Vito made a strong alliance with the Hell's Angels but now Leonardo Rizzuto made bussiness with Salvatore Cazzetta dei Rock Machine.

Salvatore Cazzetta, one of the founders of Rock Machine is now a Hells Angel and not all Haitians are with the alliance. The two main Haitian gangs the Blues are with the bikers and the Reds are rivals.

Perhaps Sciascia wanted to kill Paul Cotroni on the sneak and didn't want the murder traced back to him hence why he hired the Rock Machine.

Massino's claim is remarkable and doesn't made a whole lot of sense based on contradictatory statements made by the killer, but I don't think it can be easily refuted either.

Leonardo Caruana was killed by the Corleonesi in '81 for opposing them so that may very well be indicative of their allegiance given the fact that the Rizzuto and Caruana-[BadWord] families were very close.

I'm now hypothesizing that the Rizzuto group was recognised as an independent group when Vito returned to Canada, but that the Bonannos were allowed to continue to operate in Montreal.

Agreed.

Forgive me but the Massino story does not resonate with me, firstly the Rock Machine were no longer allies with the Rizzuto's
Secondly, assuming that Sciascia did contract out the hit on Paul Cotroni why would Machine Johnny Plescio give Paul Cotroni a warning not to do business with the Hells. I personally think Massino will say anything to save his ass.
The following is what transpired after P.Cotroni got killed.

-Johnny Plescio (warns P.Cotroni not to frequent the Hells Angels)
-Paul Cotroni Killed Aug.23,1998
-Johnny Plescio killed Sept. 8, 1998
-Tony Plescio killed Oct. 1,1999 (brother of Johnny Plascio)

Does anyone have a copy or know the source of this document which Massino states that Sciacia ordered the hit on Paul Cotroni?

http://m.levittandkaizer.com/upload/DEFILIPPO%20BRIEF%20FINAL.pdf

Guys... I found a court document and took out some excerpts that may clarify as to the motive of Sciasca's murder.

Page 14:
Vitale, for his part, was jealous of anyone who got too close to Joe Massino
(5168-69), and Sciascia was on Massino’s ruling Committee, thereby posing
a threat to Vitale’s plan to some day ascend to the pinnacle of power in the Bonanno family.

page 15:
Vitale (3453). At the same time, Vitale would likely have seen Sciascia as a
potential threat not only to his standing with Joseph Massino, but also to his
life, as Sciascia – reputedly a large-scale drug dealer – was himself
responsible for numerous murders.
Additionally, Vitale was certainly in a position to falsely accuse Mr.
DeFilippo of the Sciascia murder and motivated to do so.

Page 16:
Vitale testified as follows: Massino had spoken to Vitale at a social
gathering and asked Vitale to supervise the murder of Sciascia, who Massino
supposedly wanted killed because Sciascia had accused Massino’s friend,
Anthony Graziano, aka “TG”, of having a drug problem (2796-97, 2799-2802).

By '98? I thought Rizzuto's agreement with the Hell's was made later.

Ciment thats a cool read but it was before massino flipped and testified at bascianos last trial. Alot of its wrong. Massino said george was a capo in charge of all the montreal guys he had a bonanno member in montreal whacked joe lopresti im guessing his father was also a older member who probaly kept asking controni what happend to his son. George didnt have ny permission to kill a made guy even in the montreal crew. I think lopresti was found in ny state on the boarder. Its weird to i read controni was the capo in montreal till he died but vito rizzuto and them guys were answering to george. Massino said it was a combination of things george did. Accusation of tg graziano doing drugs threating phil rusetellis brother over a unpaid debt and killing lopresti. Massino was a lil bitch he was in his power in 99 and was afraid to take blame in his family for killing george who must have been a threat to his ego. Allie boy persico killed wild bill cutolo his underboss and wasnt afraid to tell other family hay guess what bills gone hes not coming back. Ect.The

According to Mafic INC. book.
Yes, there were negotiations taking place in the year 2000 with the Hells to discuss cocaine distribution territories and set wholesale price for the drug on the Montreal Markets. The author goes on saying that that Vito and Arcadi repeatedly asked Paolo Gervasi to tell his son to stop dealing with the Rock Machine. But no dates are given as to when Gervasi was advised. It could very well be during negotiations or before. I will be honest with you it leaves it to interpretation. But nevertheless the Cotroni's were having problems with the Rock Machine prior to P.Cotroni murder. Two weeks later,the biker that threatened the Cotroni's, Johnny Plescio gets killed. This is not a coincidence. Furthermore, at that time the Cotroni's and the Rizzuto's were on the same side. There was no feud among them. So even if the meeting was later it does not change the facts.
The book does mention about this drug trafficker Cameron. In 1994 he was told to stop dealing with Hells Angels rivals, the Rock Machine. Cameron approached Vito Rizzuto to settle the situation. In 1997 they found Camerons hand book numbers 50,000 and the word Vito. Then they go on saying as the Hells had gained the upper hand, Vito aligned himself with the side set to emerge victorious.
Because of this Cameron incident, Vito was aware long before the Paul Cotroni murder,that the Hells were not happy about drug dealers dealing with their rivals.

Wtf those hells angels are so strong ?
And will the 5 families deal with a low level gangsters like them ?
I mean if they are a low level gangster (?)

Joe Massino turned informant in 2005. The court document is dated 2007. Apparently Massino also testified a few time thereafter.
I am aware that the document does not show Joe Massino testimony. That is why in an earlier thread I asked if anyone had a copy.
Furthermore, the court document illustrates that Vitale was jealous of Sciascia and most likely was bad mouthing him to Massino behind his back. You will also see in this court document Vitale giving a motive as to why Massino wanted to kill Sciascia and the motive given by Vitale had nothing to do with killing someone son in Canada. Joe Lopresti was the father and he was killed first. His son got killed later, he was one that had aligned himself with Sal Montagna.
I haven't seen Massino testimony or confession. All I know is that if it differs from Vitale then One of them is lying. It could be they are both lying. One thing I do know is that Massino will say anything to save his ass.

In Canada they are strong. Over the years they have learned from the Italians and have become a force to be reckoned with. I know what you mean by low level gangster but there are too many of them now. I find the laws in Canada to be lenient. Many get charged and with good behavior they are out with minimum sentences that do not reflect the crime.

Yaeh joe lopresti was killed by george and crew in 1992 his son was probaly very young he was also killed after he aligned with sal the iron worker im thinking joe lopresti killed in 92 was only in his early 40tys they found him in some small town on train tracks in some ny montreal boarder town. His father was also a made guy in the controni crew before the rizzutos wrestle the power from controni by killing violi. Also the controni violi guys made rustelli the official boss in 1973 galante gives rizzuto sr the ok to kill violi not rusty whose locked up for 7 yrs starting in 1975. Yaeh the stuff i read from massino testimony was i think vinny bascianos last trial 2010ish. Massino talked alot about georges murder how he killed a guy withou

Ohh so i that case they dealing with ndrangheta in canda ?
They call the sidreno group right ?

I very much doubt Massino can afford to make things up. The deal he made involves his full cooperation and if he's caught lying about anything he will lose his privileges. Furthermore, he already admitted to having ordered Sciascia's murder, so why lie about his reasons? He has been put into the witness protection program and will live the rest of his life in relative comfort. He has everything to lose by deceiving the feds.

The FBI file I mentioned in an earlier post seems to contain the background as to why Massino said what he said when he testified in April 2011 at Vinny Basciano's murder trial. I wish I had the copy of the FBI file but I don't.

From NYT article:

"Ex-Mob Boss Joseph Massino Details a Few Murders"
By LIZ ROBBINS
APRIL 14, 2011

The cross-examination of a Mafia turncoat started quietly and predictably enough on Thursday. Joseph C. Massino, the former boss of the Bonanno crime family, spoke matter-of-factly about having to kill one of his closest associates, simply because he had disobeyed protocol.

“As much as I didn’t want to kill him,” Mr. Massino said of the 1999 murder of Gerlando Sciascia, “I had to kill him.”
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Article I've quoted from below was originally found at http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/th...rticle-1.111623 and published on April 22, 2011, 4:00 am. This story by John Marzulli is no longer available on the newspaper's site; however, you'll be able to find the whole article in two threads on this forum, as well as be able to find excerpts in two other threads.

"Tape in Vinny Gorgeous trial reveals mob king Dominick (Quiet Dom) Cirillo OKed his son's murder"

Investigators have previously theorized that the elder Cirillo, who was estranged from his son, approved the murder because assaulting a made member of the Mafia carries the penalty of death. Cicale was already a wiseguy and Basciano's son was up for induction into the mob at the time.

But killing the son of a Mafioso would also be a death sentence. Massino acknowledged that he gave the order to kill Bonanno capo Gerlando (George from Canada) Sciascia - despite his fondness for the gangster - because Sciascia had murdered the son of a made man in Canada.
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Years ago, someone had uploaded on YouTube this testimony by Massino. The individual who posted seemed to have pointed the camera down toward the courtroom floor so that they wouldn't get caught filming. You were able to hear the audio. I remember that there were quite a number of hours of Massino's testimony uploaded over a number of video clips. While I recall being able to determine which clip contained the specific testimony by Massino about Sciascia's murder, I also recall not looking forward to listening to a YouTube clip for a few hours--I never listened to it and ever since I've regretted this instance of laziness.

I wonder why massino the boss of 125+made guy would try to lie to vito and the rest of the montreal guys. I remeber vitale testified how he took baldo amato, georges only guy or soldier in nyc to a dinner in nyc and tried to tell him it wasnt joe it was a sneak. Could you imagine chin gotti persico or any of them old bosses trying to hide the fact they killed one of there own. Chin would have killed for any rule break.gotti wouldnt give to shits to order a murder . That they tried to cover there tracks was cowardly for a boss.

Was george the only made guy after massino became boss 1993 he order there death? Just means i think he was afraid of him. He was a threat to his power. All massinos other murders were blamed on phill rustelli. It was almost like he wasnt not type of gotti. John gotti has the famous line you know why fatso gonna die he didnt robb anyone he didnt come in when i called him.

I'm not sure but I think you're arguing that the "lies" Massino told other mobsters about his reasons for having Sciascia killed aren't evidence of being a shifty character because what matters is what he told the FBI and what he said on the stand. These "lies," which have been reproduced in several books, quote several mobsters or are attributed to said mobsters. Let's assume that Massino was perfectly consistent and didn't tell any mobster the real reason he had Sciascia killed, i.e., Sciascia's supposedly serious breach of mob protocol.

Why would Massino have to hide from his Bonanno underlings such a justifiable reason for punishing one of his captains? Why would Massino have to hide this reason from Vito Rizzuto?

If Paul Cotroni was in the wrong for breaking the jaw of a made man--assuming this physical alteration even happened--did Sciascia think that if he reported the offense to Massino, that Massino wouldn't deal with it in a proper manner? Thus leading Sciascia to do something rash? Wouldn't Sciascia have recourse by asking Rizzuto to deal with Paul Cotroni? Did Sciascia think he wouldn't get justice by going through Rizzuto?

Let's not forget that Joe Renda was born in New York and was possibly or probably made in New York. Wouldn't he be able to raise Cotroni's indiscretion with Massino or, if going through the chain of command was important, via someone other than his uncle Gerlando?

It's okay to question FBI intelligence and other law-enforcement intelligence. Everyone should remember that such intelligence sometimes consists of wrongly identifying organized-crime figures, regardless of whether the mobsters are in the middle of committing a crime or are sitting in a cafe sipping an espresso. I'm all for considering new theories as to murder motives once new information comes out, but the new theories and information don't automatically supplant the older theories and information.

One could argue that the person confessing to murdering Cotroni, Gérald Gallant, would have nothing to lose by mentioning that a six-feet-under Sciascia was ultimately behind the order to kill Cotroni. That FBI file makes no sense at all.

We could ask the same question about Vitale why would he lie ?
The court document says the following:
Vitale testified as follows: Massino had spoken to Vitale at a social
gathering and asked Vitale to supervise the murder of Sciascia, who Massino supposedly wanted killed because Sciascia had accused Massino’s friend, Anthony Graziano, aka “TG”, of having a drug problem

According to this court document how did we get from Graziano to Cotroni?
Why should we believe Massino but at the same time ignore Vitale's statement?
Anyone that has ever had the experience of being investigated by law enforcement will understand that in the real world,if they have a chance to pin something on you they will whether your innocent or not.

Massino will testify to whatever the the FBI tells him. It could be the FBI that may have had an ulterior motive and not Massino. So if he is told to lie he will.That is the essence of my point. It has happened before, a good example is Boston, read about Whitey Bulger, it was proven that the FBI accused people for crimes they did not commit and were jailed.

Now, I am not saying they are all corrupt.

What I said in the previous thread is that if there is inconsistency between Vitale and Massino then one is lying for sure. They could both be lying for all I care but I have not seen Massino's evidence yet. If there is evidence I would be happy to get my hands on it so that I could make a judgement. From court documents provided, Vitale's statement suggests otherwise and it has no mention of Cotroni.
You guys are really making me work tonight....LOL

This is a reminder that I did ask to see Massino's statements, hope someone can provide.....thanks

Im starting to learn this copy n paste new infomation when im tracking ups packages in about 3 to 5 years im gonna finally be able to post a link. All the shit i read about massinos testimony to george s murder was from capecis blog or old ny daily news marzulli articles wish i could link them. Dont no how. Only learned control alt delete on pornhub when the screen freeze and says it locked a few years back.

I just want to share !

I really enjoyed reading some of the threads on this post thus far. It gets more interesting when several participants are involved.

This interesting passage was taken from the booked "Iced" By Stephen Schneider. Here they give another reason why Massino wanted Sciascia dead.

"Sciascia fell out of favor with Massino because he increasingly sided with the Montreal crew against the wishes of its New York masters.The tipping point appeared to be when Sciascia supported Rizzuto's refusal to send men from Canada to kill the New York Post employee,which forced Massino to delegate the job to Salvatore Vitale.
After Scascia's murder, Vitale travelled to Montreal on orders of Massino to try and placate Rizzuto,who was angered over the Sciascia hit.
Rizzuto was offered the formal position of captain of the Montreal crew. In a stunning display of defiance Vito turned the offer down. By the end of the 1990's, Rizzuto was no longer sending tribute money to New York. This was more than symbolic. While the Bonanno family was in steep decline during the 1980's and 90's,due to deadly internecine battles,the Montreal mafia under Rizzuto was growing in strength, wealth and international reach. Rizzuto's relationship with the Bonanno family was now irrelevant to modern business structure that Vito had been building.It was a bit like a waning alliance on the postal system without the advent of the internet. The sixth family had not only eclipsed the wealth and strength of the Bonanno family in New York,they now seem to have extricated themselves from the hierarchy and were truly setting themselves apart from any of the five families of New York.But as Rizzuto was abandoning a relationship that Montreal has had for more than fifty years,his former bosses in New York were now dragging him down with them."

Maybe some of you saw the amazing pictures of the Giuseppe Bono wedding at Pierre Hotel in New York, the Rizzutos are with the Bonnanos and will always be, hell Vito even killed three caporegimes for the Bonnanos.

Phil rustelli the boss gets out of prison September 1983 till hes indicted with the other bosses in febuary 1985 so he had almost 18 months on the street as boss. In that little time vic controni dies summer 84 is that when probaly urging of massino george becomes the capo of the montreal guys? Who was the capo who succeeded vic controni? By all the shit i read nick and vito were never captains.

To me, this is exactly where the disconnect occurs....


See I don't think Vito hit the capos for the BONNANO FAMILY, like he was loyal to em. Everyone quotes the Sixth Family, and always seem to forget the part where Sonny Red took the Sicilian heroin and didn't pay.

Prompting the Sicilians to throw in with Massino and Napolitano, so as to preserve the heroin ring.

They didnt need the Bonnano Family per Se, what they needed were trusted people in NYC to buy their heroin, move it discreetly and send the money back through the same channels discreetly.

So my opinion, he didn't kill three capos for the Bonnano family, Sonny Red was a heavy at Bonos wedding. He killed em to protect the Sicilians heroin operation.

No sonny reds not in the bono wedding pictures cause he was on lifetime parole his sons there the other 2 capo dom trin. And phil lucky arnt they also Sicilians? Phil lucky was married to carlo gambinos niece. I think the montreal crew just backed what they thought would be the winning side of the family war. At the end of the day didnt carmine galante start the montreal to nyc herion pipelone and induct everyone in to the bonanno family when he took over the family in 1975. Till he got power hungry and whacked in 1979. I still think phil restelli made him acting boss when he went to prison in 1976.

The sixth family book does mention the $1.5 million worth of heroin that Sonny red took on consignment and didn't pay them back.

I agree with the rest of your analysis. I honestly think Vito did it for selfish reasons so that he can expand his drug network. One hand washes the other.

@ pmac

Whoops, you are correct my man, it's JB not Sonny Red in that picture......

Frank D'Asti, a top guy of the Cotronis, visited NY and met Paolo Gambino. He was also at the funeral of James "Jimmy Doyle" Plumeri of the Luccheses. He was indicted in August 1973 for his involvement in smuggling more than 300 kilos of heroin into the U.S and Canada.

Also the allure of the 81 is still irresistible to tons of youth all over the world who want to become rich. Cazzetta patched over to the Angels as late as 2005.