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Posted By: Amys

Felix Alderisio - 03/15/16 10:44 PM

Looking for information on Felix Alderisio and his "underdogs" of his Chicago era. Photos, stories, names, locations....anything and everything!!
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/16/16 01:08 PM

he was a heavy hitter killed up to 20 men was the day to day boss in late 60s till he want prison died of a heart attack in prison when he was jogging . type in his name in google and his photos will come up there plenty of them Also as ask my friend Toodoped he guy to ask on the CHICAGO OUTFIT grin
Posted By: goldhawkroad

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/16/16 01:56 PM

In "Mob Cop" it is claimed that Phil died of that heartattack because his girlfriend told him she was going to marry Sam Cesario, another outfit guy. He then started to run around the prison yard in a furious pace and eventually dropped dead.

Dont know if its true, but its a fact that Sam Cesario was hit after Phil died, because of his affair with the mobsters girlfriend.

According to Bill Roemer Phil was very into old ruins and could spend hours photographing them on his buiness trips (narcotics) to Europe. On one occassion (I think it was at the old Armory Lounge) Sam Giancana was heard telling Phil to "stop talking about them goddamn ruins"

He had a large crew with guys primarly from the Grand Avenue section who did pretty much of the heavy work at the time and before he teamed with Chuck Nicoletti I believe he was working close with Obbie Frabotta.

He also was an early mentor of Tony Spilotro.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/16/16 05:26 PM

Alderisio was brought in the Outfit by his alleged cousin Louie Fratto. Later he and his long time companion Nicoletti served to Battaglia and Giancana untill the mid 1960's. When Battaglia became boss, Alderisio was his second in command. He had operations all around Chicago, including Melrose Park, Cicero, the North Side, etc. and was also a liaison between the Chicago Outfit and the Milwaukee mob.

Battaglia had control over Alderisio, Marshall Caifano, Chuck Nicoletti,Rocco Pranno and maybe Willie Daddano. Battaglia's crew was like a seperate Outfit. Besides being the boss, Battaglia also had his own crew, same as Alderisio, Daddano and Pranno. For example, Alderisio had control over Albert Frabotta, Leonard Gianola, Irwin Weiner,Leo Rugendorf. When Battaglia and some of the guys went to jail, Alderisio took charge of whats left of the group.
Posted By: Snakes

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/16/16 05:41 PM

I don't know, I think Alderisio broke off from Battaglia at some point. I've read some files that indicate that he reported to no one except Giancana and had a piece of several different territories. Although, I guess since Battaglia took over as underboss once Ferraro died Alderisio was technically under him for a couple of years.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/16/16 06:12 PM

Snakes is absolutely right, and my opinion is also that the Battaglia/Alderisio connection ran the Outfit for a period of two or three years. As additional info, by 1967 Pranno, Daddano, Caifano and Battaglia went to jail, then Alderisio took over and when he also went to jail in 1969, Nicoletti was the last one of the group who took over the rackets, mainly in the Melrose Park area, and also took over Alderisio's crew, which later became the Grand Avenue crew, Lombardo, Spilotro, Eboli etc.
Posted By: ChiTown

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/16/16 08:02 PM

Phil is by far one of the more interesting guys in the Outfit. He was originally from Yonkers I believe and I had the impression his father was connected. He was used frequently by Accardo and Ricca to troubleshoot problems in other crews and territories and even helped settle the ongoing issues between James Cataura and Frank LaPorte on the soutshide.

I wonder whatever happened to Phil's son "Dominic" who I believe was Lombardo's partner in starting that plastic business with Danny Seifert in Bensenville. He basically disappeared after he was cut from that trial.
Posted By: Snakes

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/16/16 08:16 PM

Phil beat the shit out of one guy for crying to Tony Accardo about getting a boxer he managed stolen out from under him. Can't remember the guys name but he ran off to the feds afterwards which of course pissed Phil off even more. He eventually refused to testify or perjured himself or something. The whole story is in Roemer's book as well as Don Herion's.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/16/16 09:27 PM

Maybe Snakes or ChiTown or other members from the board can help me with solving this "puzzle"...allegedly this is the crew which was led by Battaglia and Alderisio, but its not 100% accurate because some members might be in the worng places and also some might be missing or even some might be dead by that time period which is 1956/1967

Battaglia’s/Alderisio’s Outfit or the Melrose Park crew with operations in Melrose Park, Schiller Park, Bellwood, Franklin Park, Stone Park, Northlake and also in Gary and Hammond, Indiana and Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Alderisio alone had operations all around Chicago, including Cicero, Near South Side and the North Side.

Boss: Sam Battaglia

Crew leader: Phil Alderisio

Street lieutenants: Charles Nicoletti, Rocco Pranno, Marshall Caifano, and possibly Willie Daddano

Members under Battaglia (Melrose Park, Schiller Park, Bellwood, Franklin Park): Salvatore Rocco, Joe Rocco, Joe Battaglia, John Tarrara, Anthony Padavonia, Pasquale Clementi (also worked with Daddano), Rocco DeGrazia, Sam Ariola, Guy Cervone and Louis Eboli

Members under Alderisio: Albert Frabotta (previously worked for Caifano), Leonard Gianola, Leo Rugendorf, Irwin Weiner, Americo DiPietto, Joey Lombardo, Sam Cesario?

Members under Pranno (Stone Park, Northlake): Albert Pranno, Joe Amabile, Nick Palermo, Tony Perotti,

Members under Caifano (operations on the North Side, Melrose Park and Near South Side): Vincent Inserro?, Tony Gallos, Dom Donato, Alva Rodgers, Willie Aloisio?, John Cimitile?

Members under Nicoletti (Melrose Park,northern Indiana): DeStefano borthers, Joe Scaramuzzo, Tony Spilotro (also worked with Alderisio), Sam Rosa, Frank Zizzo

Members under Daddano (Kane, DuPage, Kendall, and Will counties): Joe Amato, Johnny Varelli, Guy Mendola, John D’Argento, Frank DeLegge, Gerald Scarpelli, Tony Borsellino, Morris Saletko
Posted By: ChiTown

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/16/16 10:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Snakes
Phil beat the shit out of one guy for crying to Tony Accardo about getting a boxer he managed stolen out from under him. Can't remember the guys name but he ran off to the feds afterwards which of course pissed Phil off even more. He eventually refused to testify or perjured himself or something. The whole story is in Roemer's book as well as Don Herion's.


That is Bernie Glickman.
Posted By: Snakes

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/17/16 10:42 AM

Here's the way I understood it to be, although it's still fairly murky to me. The late fifties and early sixties were fairly difficult to decipher, organizationally and structurally:

Battaglia: Boss of the western suburbs. Pranno, Amabile, DeGrazia, etc. reported to him. Pranno definitely ran Stone Park and reported to Battaglia.

Alderisio: Boss level by a certain point in the mid to late sixties, mainly focused on the Grand Avenue area (a sort of buffer zone between Buccieri's and Cerone's traditional territory), the Loop, and certain parts of the North Side.

Nicoletti: Kind of the same boat as Alderisio, he was headquartered in the Garfield Park area, a little west of where Alderisio operated, and later shared Melrose Park with Aiuppa once Battaglia and his top guys went to prison.

Daddano: Boss of Lake County. Sent Joe Amato to McHenry County to run that territory (or maybe he sent him to Lake County from McHenry - can't recall off the top of my head). I don't think he reported directly to Battaglia.

Caifano was a guy who had some spots on the North Side but I'm not 100% sure if he was under Alderisio or not. Considering his role in the Grand Avenue crew when he got out of prison the first time he may have been, but I'm honestly not sure.

Willie Aloisio had a chunk of territory west of the Chicago River between Belmont and Bloomingdale. I am not sure who he reported to but it very well could have been Battaglia.
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/17/16 11:05 AM

Above all of them was Paul ricca And Tony Accardo as you know but i Also think Jackie Cerone was more powerful then some guys think as he was also close to paul and tony smile
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/17/16 11:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Snakes
Here's the way I understood it to be, although it's still fairly murky to me. The late fifties and early sixties were fairly difficult to decipher, organizationally and structurally:

Battaglia: Boss of the western suburbs. Pranno, Amabile, DeGrazia, etc. reported to him. Pranno definitely ran Stone Park and reported to Battaglia.

Alderisio: Boss level by a certain point in the mid to late sixties, mainly focused on the Grand Avenue area (a sort of buffer zone between Buccieri's and Cerone's traditional territory), the Loop, and certain parts of the North Side.

Nicoletti: Kind of the same boat as Alderisio, he was headquartered in the Garfield Park area, a little west of where Alderisio operated, and later shared Melrose Park with Aiuppa once Battaglia and his top guys went to prison.

Daddano: Boss of Lake County. Sent Joe Amato to McHenry County to run that territory (or maybe he sent him to Lake County from McHenry - can't recall off the top of my head). I don't think he reported directly to Battaglia.

Caifano was a guy who had some spots on the North Side but I'm not 100% sure if he was under Alderisio or not. Considering his role in the Grand Avenue crew when he got out of prison the first time he may have been, but I'm honestly not sure.

Willie Aloisio had a chunk of territory west of the Chicago River between Belmont and Bloomingdale. I am not sure who he reported to but it very well could have been Battaglia.


You're right about that, meaning that particular time period is quite complicated. And i also agree with you that Daddano didnt report directly to Battaglia

As additional info on Alderisio, he also had operations on the South Side with Ralph Pierce. He allegedly pushed out Ferriola from the deal. Looks like Alderisio didnt like Ferriola much. In fact he had conflicts with many mobsters, including Caifano. Caifano's life story after his return from Vegas is quite sad. First he was pushed out by Alderisio and Frabotta in one operation, which became a huge problem. Battaglia couldnt solve it and Giancana turned his head on purpose because he also hated Caifano. I also think that Caifano took few beatings, in one which they almost killed him but im not 100% sure. And on top of that, Giancana was f*cking his beautiful wife, which made things even worse.
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/17/16 11:21 AM

Caifano done big time in jail in the 60s like tens years then when he come out in the 70s for a bit then done a next 10 years I heard he had a fight with a guy who took his photo and come off worse off. He was a Boxer but was a small guy but was Real killer with a gun smile
Posted By: Amys

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/17/16 02:52 PM

Thank you.....Looks like im getting some feedback!!
Posted By: Amys

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/17/16 03:00 PM

Can you elaborate on the "Trial" Im unfamiliar with it?
Posted By: Snakes

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/18/16 02:21 PM

Here's a chart I made a few years ago that attempts to portray the organizational structure of the Outfit in the sixties. Sorry for the watermark, but I see too many of these things pop up in other places for me not to at least be credited in some way. The image can be enlarged by right-clicking it and choosing "open in new tab" or "view image", depending on your browser:

Posted By: GaryMartin

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/19/16 01:26 PM

This is a good chart that accurately depicts the organizational structure of the Outfit. It is really difficult to say for sure how the Outfit functioned because they were different from other criminal organizations.

But this is, I believe, how the basic structure operated. There was a Chairman, Paul Ricca, Vice Chairman, Tony Accardo, Street Boss, Sam Giancana.. There were others like Murray Humphreys and Gus Alex, just to mention a couple, who had great influence with everyone but their etnenicity prevented them from ever becoming a Street a Boss or Chairman; but they had enormous influence.

To the best of my knowledge, only two men have ever been Chairman of the Outfit. Those two men were Paul Ricca and Tony Accordo. Some people believe John DiFronzo served as Chairman. Many times we get into semantics when talking about these guys because titles and monikers can sometimes be confusing, plus, the Outfit was just different in the way they operated.

Thanks, Snakes, for the chart. And, yes, you should get credit for your work .
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/29/16 01:42 PM

Nice Chart Snakes smile
Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/29/16 02:09 PM

Great chart, very clear and clarifying..
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/30/16 11:20 AM

Any one know about or got a photos of Jackie Cerone Ex Crime partner James Whales who he talks about on FBI Bug smile
Posted By: goldhawkroad

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/30/16 03:07 PM

Toodoped: got anything on Jackie Cerone? Seems like a man with different sides. Roemer described him as a cunning guy who frequently worked out and who used to take morning runs etc, in "Casino" there is a part where Cullotta remember meeting him at some bar with Mad Sam and Cerone is utterly drunk (portrayed as a real scumbag), asking a woman at the bar to suck his prick - at the bar. Perhaps bollox story but if not he seems to have been a man with a couple of different faces.
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/30/16 03:25 PM

Read His FBI FILE loads of him on FBI BUGS what I know of him he was close to Tony Accardo since 1930s they say he did over 4 or 5 hits maybe more . On his fbi Files he talks about his hits one on Big Jim Martin who he shot 2 times but lived he blamed it on old Ammo old Buck shot lol . He Also Talks about other hits with his partner James Whales I want ask also for Toodoped to do a thing on Jackie Cerone and his Partner James Whales grin
Posted By: goldhawkroad

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/30/16 03:36 PM

Thanks ricky.

Toodopeds Chicago outfit stuff is the best, hands down. Would also very much appreciate a piece on Cerone. Was he in on the action Jackson hit or was that Buccieri?
Posted By: Snakes

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/30/16 03:58 PM

Buccieri and Turk Torello.
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/31/16 09:49 AM

Your Welcome bro grin Also on Jackie Cerone FBI Files you hear them talking about the Jackson hit yeah it was Buccieri and turk they tell Jackie cerone what they did to him with the cattle prod they also talk about putting other guys on racks what pulled out all there joints Turk said it made them a foot Taller . Them Guys was heavy hitters who like to play with there victim's before they Whacked them smile
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Felix Alderisio - 04/01/16 06:43 PM

Originally Posted By: goldhawkroad
Toodoped: got anything on Jackie Cerone?


Yeah Im planning to work on a project regarding Cerone, Gagliano and Messino.
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: Felix Alderisio - 04/04/16 11:45 AM

What Date is that Project Coming out on Jackie Cerone and Co Toodoped smile
Posted By: rickydelta

Re: Felix Alderisio - 04/05/16 11:09 AM

Toodoped can you also find info & pics on Jackie Cerone Partner Johnny Whales the one who he talks about on his FBI files grin
Posted By: Amys

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/13/17 05:42 PM

Anyone have information on the Wolcoff brothers that were supposed "laborers" for Alderisio?
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/13/17 06:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Amys
Anyone have information on the Wolcoff brothers that were supposed "laborers" for Alderisio?


Was Mitchel Wolcoff related to the brothers? He was a night club owner and frontman for Giancana and Marcy
Posted By: ChiTown

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/13/17 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Toodoped
Originally Posted By: Amys
Anyone have information on the Wolcoff brothers that were supposed "laborers" for Alderisio?


Was Mitchel Wolcoff related to the brothers? He was a night club owner and frontman for Giancana and Marcy


You are thinking of those infamous conmen. I think they wound up in Atlanta after prison, then were working in Florida. Here is some later media coverage of these guys:
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1987-06-06/news/8702200449_1_murders-grand-jury-wire-fraud

I dont think the Wolcoff guys were "Phil's laborers" exclusively. There were some other Outfit guys involved with them like Pat Manno.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/14/17 05:56 PM

"Milwaukee Phil" was involved with the torture of Billy McCarthy, where McCarthy's head was put in a vice and his eyeball was popped out, the basis for the Casino scene. McCarthy and another guy had killed a few outfit members.
Posted By: Trapper

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/27/17 08:55 PM

Wasn't he technically under Fiore Buccieri?
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/28/17 10:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Trapper
Wasn't he technically under Fiore Buccieri?


Nope he was under Battaglia together with Nicoletti, Frabotta etc. It is possible when Battaglia took the acting boss position in 1965/66, Alderisdio became boss or capo of the Melrose Park crew.
Posted By: Snakes

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/28/17 01:25 PM

I think Alderisio formed his own crew within the Melrose Park crew that eventually became the Grand Avenue crew. A lot of guys in that crew came up under Alderisio, like Lombardo, Spilotro, Schweihs, Cozzo, the Pettits, etc.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/28/17 02:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Snakes
I think Alderisio formed his own crew within the Melrose Park crew that eventually became the Grand Avenue crew. A lot of guys in that crew came up under Alderisio, like Lombardo, Spilotro, Schweihs, Cozzo, the Pettits, etc.


Thats another interesting thinking Snakes, since during the mid 1950's when Battaglia took over from DeGrazia, his "outfit" was formed by many high profile mobsters such as Alderisio, Nicoleti, Frabotta, Caifano, Pranno, Salvatore,etc.(maybe i forgot someone) and that is why by the early 1960's, many members from that crew were fighting each other and broke off to several other crews.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/30/17 03:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Toodoped
Originally Posted By: goldhawkroad
Toodoped: got anything on Jackie Cerone?


Yeah Im planning to work on a project regarding Cerone, Gagliano and Messino.


toodoped, weren't a lot of these heavy hitters, bucceri,nicoletti, torello, alderiso, di pietra, caifano, and many more that tortured, all ex 42 members.
Posted By: Snakes

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/30/17 12:58 PM

Someone did an in-depth article on the 42 Gang several years ago and dismissed a lot of the big names that are usually associated with that organization. I'm pretty sure that Giancana and Battaglia were with the 42's, but not any of the other names you listed. I could be mistaken, though, as it's been some time since I've read that article. Torello, at least, was too young to have been a part of the gang.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/30/17 03:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Toodoped
Originally Posted By: goldhawkroad
Toodoped: got anything on Jackie Cerone?


Yeah Im planning to work on a project regarding Cerone, Gagliano and Messino.


toodoped, weren't a lot of these heavy hitters, bucceri,nicoletti, torello, alderiso, di pietra, caifano, and many more that tortured, all ex 42 members.


As Snakes previously pointed out, many opf these members were too young to be associated with the 42's but my personal belief is that thouse same 42's were considered to hold membership of quite young criminals. So my point is that the DeStefanos and Nicoletti might've been members of the gang. The Battaglias, including brothers and relatives, were for sure members of the gang and also Giancana, Leonard Caifano and possibly Louie Fratto. As for Marshall Caifano, I believe he was too young but who knows, his older brother was member. I really dont have any proof or to tell you the turth I have never done any deep research on Buccieri's membership but he can be a good "candidate" also.
Posted By: ChiTown

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/30/17 03:50 PM

Alderisio grew up in NY, Milwaukee and Chicago - he was not a 42 guy.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/30/17 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Alderisio grew up in NY, Milwaukee and Chicago - he was not a 42 guy.


I second that. What up Chi man long time no see smile
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: Felix Alderisio - 03/31/17 03:54 AM

thank you for your post, toodoped
Posted By: ItalianIrishMix

Re: Felix Alderisio - 04/01/17 05:41 PM

Is this the guy who was dating a girl? His capo asked his permission to date the same girl, which he granted. Then Felix died and the guy got whacked. The killer claimed that Felix ordered the hit from his grave?

Right guy?
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Felix Alderisio - 04/01/17 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
Is this the guy who was dating a girl? His capo asked his permission to date the same girl, which he granted. Then Felix died and the guy got whacked. The killer claimed that Felix ordered the hit from his grave?

Right guy?


Thats right. The guy who got killed was another Outfit member nown as Sambo Cesario aka Blackie
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