Joey's in town

Merlino is in Philly...not the shore Or Florida...

Fathers day barbecue in Packer Park and he was over there.

It was only a matter of time SP. You know half the groupies on this site are Goodling Packer Park as we speak

Wags daughter graduation party... All the groupies were out snapping photos with Joey.

No doubt he'll post all the pics on his instagram page

Maybe he inducted a few new guys on the sneak.

Don't know if it will be on the sneak" Pmac ,they have been waiting a while unless it's done already by Joe ...

Can't believe this guy has no worries about spending the rest of his life in the can. I'll give him two years.

They must have a lot of free guys on the street.

hes got like 3 young guys around him in florida who are from philly.. I think they work at the restaurant.. im not going to drop names cause I haven't seen them mentioned.

He's got 3 guys 'around' him at the restaurant?

Uh-huh.

Is it worth me asking can you provide any basis/evidence/referral to this (I grant you, 'so far') bullshit claim?

WTF with the inflammatory remarks? Who are you that he/she has to backup any claim?

I been posting on this board for a couple of years. In that time, I've seen a few people have their status changed from "bullshit poster" to "well respected"; Whatever the fuck the latter means on a message board. Guys like Serpiente were called out when, guys who live around Philly/AC knew exactly what he was talking about. I never doubted him one bit because I heard/seen the same exact shit I wouldn't know him if i tripped over him.

This DSBALOO poster may post speculation ocassionally but there has been some accuracy with respect to his/her philly posts in the past. Those of us who live here know that. And it's not a knock against anyone who doesn't live in Philly; but some things just aren't reported so there is zero chance of anyone knowing about it unless they or their friends see it first hand.

I saw uncle Joe on the street a couple months ago and he had 3 fucking goons with him, that I've seen maybe one or 2 around South Philly before, but you will never see them in pictures or on message boards. Is that bullshit? Not everyone in philly is known. And, like it or not, even though philly is a shell of it's former self and is small time compared to NYC, those guys are more LCN than you or I.

Come on man we dont need two IvyLeague's.

Maybe the guy is BS, maybe not. But there are people around Philly, NY...where ever who know things that can't be backed up via an article or a fed claim online, because it was never reported. Not every single LCN tid bit is online with evidence.

It's cool to call out BS artists, but the 1 out of 5 who might be legit, might not wanna post what they hear on the street because they will be bashed and asked for "evidence"

jesus fucking Christ buddy settle it down a bit.. youre acting like I said " joey has 9 kids around him in florida and he gave them all their button last week." the only reason I even said what I did is cause people were speculating if joey made any young guys this weekend when he was in philly.. so since people seem to be interested in that I figured some people might find it interesting that he does indeed have a few young philly guys around him in florida. did it say they have their stripes, no. I didn't even fully say theyre involved with anything.. they very well could just work at his restaurant.. but that doesn't change that there is a few young guys around him from philly down there..
main reason I brought it up cause it made me think about how joey wanted to make a few guys and uncle joe said since he didn't know them or whatever joey could do it when he got out.. and I don't think names have ever been mentioned of those people..im in no way saying its them, but could be a possibility.. that's all..

look im not here to try to act like I know everything about everything cause I hardly know shit. I just figure if people on here are interested in such stupid fucking topics, that they could also be interested in the shit I heard..

thanks nicky and blackjack

Why wouldn't he have guys with him, he's the boss of a criminal organization...

Also, why ask him for evidence if you've already categorized it as bullshit in your head... This board needs to be more relaxed

I second that. Joey definitely has a few young guys from Philly around him down there and it only takes someone with social media to figure out who they are...

Dsaboo: fair call. Withdrawn.

And sorry Sonny I wasn't trying to team up on you or anything.

Dsaboo is a reliable poster, I think he was the first to mention Trucchio getting knocked down

Joey having Philly guys in florida is not new news, there was a wikileaks file that was leaked from the FBI that said he had a philly crew going on in florida,

http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-29/news/31111009_1_joey-merlino-mob-boss-la-cosa-nostra

Scott Burnstein also wrote about Joey hanging around Philly bookie Ray Wagner in Florida

http://gangsterreport.com/ray-wags-still-watching-skinny-joeys-back-philly-years/

If i had to bet i would say Merlino is active, and if he is than he's dumber than I thought, My question is what does that old weird rich guy Stanley Stein doing around Merlino

All good. If the board thinks he's reliable. Then I withdraw my earlier remarks.

Shit day this end didn't help.

I got a feeling Joey is feeling lax now with no restrictions and will be making more trips to Philly.

For his sake and freedom, I hope he wises up and stays down there unless necessary. And keep using messengers.

The Stan Stein thing really makes me scratch my head. Blatantly obvious that this guy is just an ATM for Joey and is paying to be friends with a Mob icon. Wouldn't be surprised if he's fronting a lot of other stuff for Joey like all these cars, homes, hotels, trips in jets, etc. Problem is this moron must have a good financial advisor b/c if he thinks the Feds aren't balls deep in his shit then he's wrong and if I'm correct about my assumptions he's gonna get slapped with money laundering or conspiracy... Shit he might even be in the RICO. For someone that clearly has a lot of, as far as I can tell, legitimate wealth, pretty stupid to risk it all on a guy like Merlino who ain't gonna have his back when the music stops... Just my thought on him whoever asked...

you coulda atleast let the man get outta town before making this thread

Here is a tidbit from the leaked Miami FBI report I mentioned earlier, one has to assume they are talking about Stanley Stein

"Merlino is building a relationship with an identified, wealthy and well-connected individual who is allegedly getting a Rolls Royce for Merlino. The same individual is purportedly going to buy a one million dollar home in West Palm Beach, Florida for Merlino."

Here is a link to the full report, anybody's guess how accurate it is

http://english.al-akhbar.com/sites/default/files/10393_FBI%20Identifica_0.pdf

You're LCN? LMFAO!

It's a matter of time before this shitbag punk Merlino is behind bars again...Release from prison = Rolls Royce? That doesn't draw attention. Fucking idiot.

If the guy is rich and is just buying Merlino stuff, how is that laundering or illegal to be a rich doofus mob groupie?

He flew Joey privately to his Philly court excursions too lol

Merlino gives Stan Stein the cash and he "buys" it for Merlino and gives it to him under the auspices or appearance that he is just buying for and giving stuff to Merlino and his wife and daughters. Maybe you're right though maybe he is straight up buying all this stuff for him in which case I guess isn't illegal. I was thinking more the former though...

That's not what he said. He said the exact opposite.

Someone's gets whacked next week. Any new on that guy windows and his pv.

I think it was just over him getting drunk at the bar and possibly associating with people he wasnt supposed to.

They are on him hard, as he isnt allowed to drink.

Wow that weird no drinking. Wonder how much longer he's on parole or all of them scarfo guys.

any time you are on parole or probation, you cannot do drugs or drink, even if you are over 21 as a condition. Typically they dont violate you for drinking unless you test for it (out of your system fast)

so they must have tailed him and watched him drink, or popped a random test on him

What you just described is money laundering. That's a twenty year minimum for a predicate felon in the Federal System. So for Joey's sake, he's much better off if it's a gift (and to be fair, I think it's a gift). You younger guys have to realize that mob guys have ALWAYS had their groupies.

Christ, can you imagine if there were social media (or the Internet at all, for that matter) while Gotti was at his peak? Or, better yet, Capone? And SOME of these guys were never shy about taking gifts from civilians. Getting free shit is a big part of the criminal mindset.

And he's buying Joey a home in West Palm? Shit, with the man-crush this guy has on him, Joey should hold out for Jupiter Island. Or, better yet, move to the Gulf Coast and insist on Marco Island. That's what I'd do .

No that he off of parole he should have dinner with Uncle Joe and let everyone take pics. Personally, I think Joey is so well insulated that the Feds won't get shit on him.

I bet he talks to 4 or 5 guys and that's it and he's been to hell and back with those few so they trust each other.

They will get him eventually. Small family, big FBI

I guarantee Merlino doesn't have $250k liquid cash...

He's done a ton of time-if he's halfway smart he'll enjoy the sun , the women and the food that freedom allows and focus on that restaurant or anything legitimate. Life on the installment plan doesn't seem fun.

Was on bigler st on n off last week and all day saturdat saw uncle joe with some monsters with him... saw some guys family at little league baseball tourney which i think they go on to play that west philly team...saw wags near there and saw phillies continue to suck

How can you be so sure as to guarantee, are you his accountant, Meyer?

With his salary from his hosting gig, and the envelopes wags brings him, you really think he doesnt have that?

Not too far fetched imo...

The guy is making assumptions that Merlino is the one supplying the money...

I don't think it's that far fetched that Stein is just a rich lonely mob groupie who is paying to be pals with some mob guys. lol

I have no proof, but common sense tells me that after being locked up for 14 years and the operations shrinking significantly and his ridiculous lifestyle and an expensive RICO trial, no way is he sitting on a pile of cash. He's an idiot with money and spends it as fast as he made it. IMO, I don't think he was ever a millionaire

Guys like Scarfo and Bruno made boatload more cash that Merlino, they we're in the life during its heyday. Joey was a gang leader. Big difference

I agree. Like I said, these guys have always had their groupies. Look at all the cash that Kasman threw at John Gotti Senior for all those years. "Adopted son," my ass. Kasman was nothing more than a groupie and a human ATM machine to Gotti. That he turned out to be a snitch is almost funny.

But the Merlino/Stein "arrangement" is even more pathetic because Stein is much older than Merlino. Kasman was a young guy who was up the ass of an older mob guy. You see that all the time. Stein's a rich old man up a younger guy's ass so he can feel tough. I think it's hysterical.

You know how I feel about "high profile" wiseguys, BlackJack. We've discussed the topic a million times here, at RD, and in pms. But, in this case, this Stein guy is so fucking stupid that I hope Joey takes him for millions. And by stupid, I'm not talking about book smarts. The guy is a millionaire and no dummy in that respect. But he can't be very street smart to allow himself to be exploited like such an asshole. Good for Joey .

I agree with what PB posted above. Nothing lamer than a male groupie. Also these guys are all crying broke lately which means they probAbly been cleaning up

Also just to build on what PB posted, there are millions of very wealthy successful people who not street smart and seriously lacking people skills. Doesn't surprise me at all that some rich tool would be rolling out the red carpet just to run elbows with somebody like Merlino.

$250k liquid cash at his disposal is alot of money, especially with what Philly is currently doing. That's $250k cash after his house, cars and any other assets. His lifestyle is similar to Gotti's but Joey's not paying the steep NYC prices. The Feds want him in for life, if he was smart, he'd stay in Florida, do the restaurant thing for a while until the next best new restaurant comes to Boca (and it will), collect some gambling proceeds from Philly and stay under the radar. After 14 years, it's a gift that he's out. The next time will be much longer in the can...if some rat doesn't make a deal in the future and hand him up on a silver platter.

What's Borgesi's status? Is he still shelved for the time being? He's unpredictable and if he isn't allowed to earn, he'll get into something and hand Joey up on a silver platter when the Feds catch up with him.

Who knows what Georgie Boy is up to, probably still stirring shit up in Delaware County...

He is getting what he deserves imo, guy is a real piece of work.

He was about to kill the waitress until someone stopped him in that diner hit attempt on Joey Chang

George will not sit for long ...

And I think Skinny should stay right in Philly where he should be as the boss ...
Maybe he can take a daily walk around the park . After all it's his town...

He stays in Fla. the top three is much different then thought .Just a educated guess.
That would make him a skipper....

From my understanding, Georgie is a wild card and completely unpredicatable. If he doesn't have the life, he has nothing and it wouldn't surprise me if he cooperated in the future...especially if his old friends aren't letting him have the control he feels he deserves after keeping his mouth shut and doing some time. Do you guys think that Nicodemo will eventually cooperate after rotting in a cell for a while? It's not unheard of and Nicodemo wasn't a big wig in LCN, but I give the guy credit for keeping his mouth shut thus far. Any news of the old Scarfo guys and a power struggle?

Yeah has anyone heard any scarfo crew news (Narducci, Pungitore, etc)? Also, on an unrelated note does anyone or @KING6 know who Frank DiPasquale is? He's on King's chart under the south Philly crew, but not sure who is or what his deal is? I know there is a Frank DiPasquale who is a lawyer and Johnny Chang's cousin but I didn't think he was involved? What's the premise for him being added to the latest chart?

I don't see Nicodemo flipping. If he would have, he would have done it before pleading out because his info would have been more valuable then. You'll be lucky to cut your sentence in half now at best not to mention putting your family in danger. I just don't see it at this point.

And Georgie Boy is still on parole which is probably why we haven't heard much from him... Interested to see what he does once he's off those restrictions for sure. Personally, I don't ever see him ratting anyone. I feel like he'd die gunning for those guys rather than ratting on them... Who knows though!

I admit I don't know a whole lot on Philly, but reading what I have lately on Borgesi I agree PHL-Mob. I think he'd take them to war before ratting them out.

Do you actually see his wife (as young as she is) staying married to him for the rest of her life? If so, how is she being supported with him off the street?

I do not see Merlino coming out of jail and taking a skipper spot, he must be at the top

he just has all his guys in place at the top...minus Narducci to placate him, if any of that is even true...

She owns over $1 million worth of real estate. She'll be fine.

Just before his parole restictions expired, it was reported that Merlino was going to have a sit down with Borgesi. So I don't think he's actually shelved. I think it's just that most the other Philly guys are shunning him. If Merlino trusted Borgesi enough to make him his #3 guy, I don't think he'd shelve him right after he got out of prison.

A lot of speculation, not a lot of concrete facts.

I have no idea there. Some women stick with them until the end and some are quick to run off. I think if he was worried about her he would flipped before trial. Him taking the plea tells me he knew there was no way he would be found not guilty (and the attempted "pay off" in the first trial) so the wife had to have known about it. I guess only he knows what she told him afterwards.

The only way I see joey getting knocked down like that, is supermax for life, or a bullet in the back of his head.

I would not say he was knock down...If there is any truth to him laying low then it's always a possibility. But from what I hear he is the boss and will always be the boss . Now if he would just stay and run the family he is at the top of ....So some old friends can visit him...

The talk of all the old Scarfo guys is overblown a bit I think. One minute Phil Narducci is running the Scarfo crew, then we here Joey Punge is, and they're both beefing each other.

Sounds more like people are guessing what they want to be the truth, as opposed to real life, maybe I'm wrong.

I agree , but you will not have long to wait . It is all going to come to a head soon ,good or bad ...

Agreed, 2 years tops before we have all the info we need on the Scarfo crew. If they truly are active the feds will be all over them, they're all killers.

I don't believe in the least bit that they're very active if at all. The Scarfo days are over and they're never coming back. Honestly, the rackets have shrunk to a shell of what they once were and there isn't enough money in the rackets for all these guys to be eating like kings.

100% right, .... aside from the sportsbook, and pills/heroin that they might be taxing, there is a little to go around, not sure they are in any of the unions that will be building new gallery mall or housing, but several of them guys were in real estate and e passyunk is rising real estate area

From the sportsbook comes loan sharking...dont forget that

Gambling machines all around philly they were making a killing on as well

Nicodemo and some guys made a lot of cash off real estate and rental properties as well

more than you think is being earned...but not for the guys on the outside like Georgie Boy

According to George Anastasia and several IRS/FBI agents, they claim that Scarfo was taking in $20-$30k per month from the AC Bartenders Union alone, plus millions and millions of dollars with Scarf Inc., construction and all the other illegal rackets Philly was into during Nicky's reign. Merlino & company never sniffed that kind of dough, not even in the 1990's. The Ligambi trial certainly painted a picture of a group of guys putting some $$ in their pockets with video poker machines, gambling and loansharking...a FAR cry from what the organization once was.

But still not even close to the Scarfo era. Not even close. Real Estate and rental properties weren't rackets, they were nothing more than a way to wash some illegal cash. I know for a fact that John Stanfa was washing his money through Youngstown, OH businessman Vic Calautti and his group of financiers in Switzerland. The numbers were staggering. Check out this article that has a federal affadavit included: Copy and paste into browser:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=32RcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3FYNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5523,3669785&dq=william+d-elia+and+youngstown&hl=en

oscar your right, uncle joe got busted over fkn degenerate bar machines... when they had the real thing like 2 miles north at sugarhouse... those bar machines suck too

Most of those video poker machines were pioneered by a guy named Pasquale "Patsy" Feruccio and his vending company named Liberty Venfing, known as the mafia's leading expert on video poker machines and a high ranking member of the LaRocca Family in Pittsburgh. Here is a 1993 article on Pat Feruccio of Canton, OH:


A Canton, OH man who has been described by the FBI and Alphonse D'Arco as the Mafia's "specialist" in video poker machines has pleaded guilty to a racketeering charge in U.S. District Court in Cleveland.
Pasquale M. (Pat) Ferruccio, 74, admitted leading a gambling operation that used the video poker machines in Akron, Kent and Ravenna and in Kentucky and DuBois, Pa., between 1978 and 1988.
Ferruccio entered into a plea agreement with prosecutors in U.S. District Court in Cleveland Monday. His trial on a four-count indictment returned by a federal grand jury in 1989 was to begin yesterday.
The agreement says prosecutors and Ferruccio and his lawyer agreed to a 30-month prison sentence and that Ferruccio would be allowed to self-report to prison in January. Ferruccio also has agreed to forfeit $100,000 to the government. Prosecutors will drop three other charges against Ferruccio, including operating an illegal gambling business and interstate travel in aid of such a business.
John B. Gibbons, Ferruccio's lawyer, declined to comment on the plea until Ferruccio is sentenced by Judge John M. Manos after a report by the probation department.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert J. Becker, of the Justice Department's Organized Crime Strike Force, declined to comment because of two pending cases stemming from the same indictment.
Ferruccio's son, Rocco, and George McCarty, 73, both of Canton, are charged with participating in an illegal gambling business and are awaiting trial before Manos.
Prosecutors have said in court documents that a former FBI agent would testify at trial that, while the agent was working undercover in Florida, Pasquale Ferruccio was introduced as a "made" member of the Mafia by members and associates of New York's Bonnano Family.
The former FBI agent, Edward Robb, would have testified Ferruccio was introduced "as the Family's specialist in video poker machines" and Ferruccio had Robb travel to Canton to observe Ferruccio's operation in an effort to start a gambling partnership in Florida, the prosecutors said.
"Further evidence demonstrates that Ferruccio admitted he had to seek permission from the Mafia to run the Pennsylvania operation charged in the indictment," the prosecutors said.
The prosecutors also said the Pennsylvania Crime Commission and Angelo A. Lonardo, an admitted member of the Cleveland Mafia, had identified Ferruccio as an inducted member of the LaRocca/Genovese Mafia Family in Pittsburgh.
Statements by the prosecutors, Becker and Stephen H. Jigger, then head of the strike force office in Cleveland, were made in response to a motion Ferruccio filed asking that the charges be dismissed.
"That's what the government has said about him for years," Gibbons said yesterday of Ferruccio's reputed organized crime ties. "They can say what they want to say, but no one has actually proven it. It's not relevant to the case."
The indictment of Pasquale Ferruccio was the result of a 3-year investigation by the Internal Revenue Service and FBI.
The racketeering charge against Pasquale Ferruccio alleged Rocco A. Ferruccio provided the gambling operation with facilities, supplies and personnel through Liberty Vending Co., a Canton company Rocco Ferruccio owned and operated.
Pasquale Ferruccio is the former owner and president of Liberty Vending and has continued to maintain a private office there, according to a statement released by U.S. Attorney Joyce J. George yesterday.
McCarty allegedly managed gambling operations in the Dover and New Philadelphia areas of Ohio and helped repair and transport poker machines.
The machines have been determined to be illegal gambling devices because players insert money and are able to place bets during poker-like video games. Payoffs are made by owners of establishments in which the machines are installed.
Two other defendants, Randal J. Cottrill and Carole A. (Terry) Eschliman pleaded guilty last year before Judge Frank J. Battisti.
Cottrill, 29, of Las Vegas, was sentenced to four months in prison and four months of home arrest after pleading guilty to operating an illegal gambling business and interstate travel in the operation of the gambling business.
Eschliman, 52, of Canton, pleaded guilty to participating in an illegal gambling business and was sentenced to three years of probation.

And you can say that with every family.

Nothing is as big today.

New york used to run entire unions, their influence has waned and their rackets are not what they used to be either.

Just how it goes. But no family from around the "scarfo era" is making as much coin as 20 years ago

Western PA and the LaRocca's made a fortune off those machines and allowed high ranking mafia associate John "Duffy" Conley to run the operation in conjunction with Feruccio:

http://www.post-gazette.com/frontpage/20...es/200602090321

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19950104&id=LgMyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kW4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6690,2166778&hl=en

http://lasvegassun.com/news/1997/apr/18/five-with-mob-ties-tried-to-invest-in-casino-indic/

I agree 100%. But Philly's power and influence has nearly bottomed out. I believe they are in much better shape than New England and are probably right behind Detroit & Chicago in regards to viablility. It's NY and everybody else and eventually, NY will fizzle out.

Yeah Philly isn't in great shape overall.

And Detroit seems content with not getting their sons and family involved and having them go legit, which will lead to that dwindling out too.

none of the active families is behind detroit

detroit is behind everyone else...

...if there is still a family in detroit to begin with

No doubt about it...and I agree that in 15-20 years, Detroit may be in serious trouble. However, they are very well run. possibly one of the most well run families in the country going back to that 1930's. Leadership has ALWAYS been stable and consistent and under the radar. I love reading about Philly but they may have been one of the most or the most disorganized group of mobsters from the late 1980's to present day. Angelo Bruno (one of my favorite bosses) was the best boss they ever had IMO. While Scarfo was a huge earner, he was mentally unstable...and that doesn't translate well in the life. Uncle Joe is a great boss as well, he truly brought the family back to respectability while Merlino was away. Joey never was a respectable boss IMO and I don't believe he was very well liked by other families. He was a punk in the 1990's that had no respect for the rules...Merlino's generation of mobsters will certainly sink LCN across the country eventually...it's a matter of time.

LOL...Detroit still operates and have their rackets under tight control...and New England is nowhere near Detroit..especially now. But I'm not getting into an argument with you over it. A guy named Scott Burnstein is the most educated person in the country on Detroit LCN, I think he knows a bit more than you Luankuci.

How long have you had a man crush on Ben Stiller?

Actually there was a Real Estate racket in Philly
Supposedly... I think you're correct in assuming that they own legit real estate to launder money etc (mostly held in wife's name to attempt to protect from
fed seizure), but there is/was a Real Estate rehab/flip racket. See below link if you're interested...

http://citypaper.net/articles/2006-06-29/cb2.shtml

Maybe I'm wrong, but this looks like it was a short lived scheme as opposed to a "racket" but I see your point.

I don't know what the Philly market is like but in the Bay Area $1 million will buy you a fixer-upper in a questionable neighborhood.

almost since yours on Scott Burnstein



anybody from the italian/albanian/chaldean blocks in the townships north of metro detroit knows more than a bit than all the scott burnsteins in the world

scott is a wannabe capeci . . . which is admirable . . . too bad he lives in the wrong city (and in the wrong century) to successfully do that

but if you wanna keep day dreaming about them along with him . . . suit yourself

i honestly envy your naivety

oh and it's not ben stiller

interesting that his face popped up in your mind right away tho

Fair enough...maybe you should be writing books and getting them published since you know more about Detroit than Scott does. I find it amusing how "general posters" insult or shit all over somebody who has had success...but I expect nothing more from guys like you. Enjoy your day sir.

LOL...sure looks like him

Gotta love Marin County

the point is that there are no books worth writing on today's detroit



it goes both ways




I hear wedding bells

congratulations . . . and a great day to you too

If skinny doesn't have $250k in cash after all his years at the top then I'd be shocked and wouldn't consider Philly anything more than a nickel and dime street gang

I know Phillys rackets have shrunk but people haven't been plotting to take it overcome scraps

There is still huge books , video machine , shy , weed , extortion, restaurants and real estate that I'm sure brings in a lot of $ . Plus remember they do have a lot of biz in south jersey which is very lucrative and a big book in north NJ

At the moment NYC has become much less corrupt with all the heat and media that comes with it it but NJ is still a disaster for corruption as no one cares and govt leaders are still getting a piece of the pie with handing out bids . So much construction and garbage out here , plus the gambling and politicians along for the ride for the most part , you got NJ city workers getting busted for skimming parking meters . There just very little attention being paid to all these towns that border these 2 cities

Again, I'm not getting into a pissing match with a skunk...we can agree to disagree Luankuci. Both Scott D and Scott B have taken their interest and turned it into something positive. If you can't give credit where credit is due, so be it.

New Scott article on Mikey Lance and Joeys return to Philly
http://gangsterreport.com/mikey-lance-ma...hilly-mob-2015/

"The median sales price for homes in Philadelphia PA for Mar 15 to Jun 15 was $135,000. This represents an increase of 3.8%, or $5,000, compared to the prior quarter and a decrease of 9.1% compared to the prior year.

http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Philadelphia-Pennsylvania/market-trends/

So basically it is very inexpensive to live there. And an increase of 3.8% is next to nothing in the game of real estate. Better off putting your money in the stock market for an average return of 10.8%.

How many times does Scott "report" the same thing.........

good way to exaggerate.

No joke. A cool mill can buy you some nice property in any city.

That ain't Ben Stiller in Luan's avatar. That was one of Jackie Aprile's bodyguards (I think) in the Sopranos.

Luan's avatar is from a great scene of the Sopranos!!

(Warning nudity and language)

Sopranos News of Jackie's death

I'm 100% with DB, if Skinny Joey cant immediately get his hands on 250K, then Philly LCN is at the level of just a bunch of blacks on the corner selling heroin.

What people that aren't from the Northeast fail to realize I think are how big the Italian communities are here in NY/NJ/Philly and how much we like to gamble on sports. Here is a perfect example of a gambling ring bust in Bucks County back in March that not many people heard about that I would bet my life on was kicking up to whomever Philly has as their representative up that way in the Bucks County/Trenton, NJ area:

http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/pe...0314-story.html

AND La Cosa Nostra in NJ/NY/Philly will ALWAYS control the gambling on sports, which is major $$$$$$.

PS I don't mean a bunch of blacks on the corner in a racist way either, I meant it literally that some of these black gangs that sell heroin in Newark, Paterson, Atlantic City, etc can get their hands on 250K instantly!

Good luck in most of NYC.

250k liquid is a decent amount for someone who JUST got off restrictions for the first time in 16 years and spends like he does.

You beat me to it. It will buy you a nice one bedroom in Manhattan.

When I read the median income for a home in Philly, I had to do a double-take. That's the same price range as some places down in Florida.

When you're from New Yok City or the surrounding suburbs all your life, you don't realize just how much more expensive everything here is. That said, I thought that Philly was a little more expensive that that.

But there is a difference having a person 250k liquid and getting your hands on that over a little bit of time.

If he's been the boss all those years, even in the can, he should have more than that. And I'm not saying he doesn't. But he went away very young and had a release date that guaranteed he'd be back on the street at a young age.

If Joe Schmo the Soldier from Philly comes home to nothing, that's one thing. It's like that everywhere. The myth about families being taken care of is exactly that, a myth, and it creates a lot of resentment. But not for a boss. If Ligambi was knowingly keeping the seat warm for Joey until he got out, he came home to a nice package.

Bingo. I said $250k liquid, as in he has it packed away for legal bills, family emergency etc. any boss today should have $1 million tucked away just for major RICO trials or payoff money etc. guarantee Joey doesn't have it, that's why he has been supported by rich morons since the minute he was released from prison. Pathetic if you ask me. Why be a boss and take the risk? It's called "thug rich" and cash poor. He's just one of many who aren't smart with money.

Oscar; in your opinion he doesn't have it. You can't guarantee he doesn't have it.

And he was.

But it only came out with the skins tapes...

Everyone was CONVINCED Ligambi was official

All along he was acting for Joey

Then he came home to a nice package.

Of course. Any of these people trying to act like Joey is broke are mistaken...

I don't know where this 250 liquid thing comes from? But if I were a betting man I would be taking the over...

Yeah I have no idea.

Also, PB, I agree. Philly prices shocked me. And I know people - jersey people my girlfriend is close with - that live in SP. I gotta ask her next time I see her how much her rent is.

I'm about to fucking move.

That's assuming the Nicodemos are trying to flip the property. It can just as easily be rental or commercial real estate.

That is correct, but I'd be willing to bet everything I own based off FBI and Justice Department investigations as well as information from former members and wiretaps. I don't know for a fact, but his lifestyle has always been well documented.

Nobody knows for certain if in fact Joey was boss all along, a plausible argument could be made for each assumption. Plus, Uncle Joe had two major RICO trials to pay for...did he cut into the take? Was Merlino's wife a lavish spender? There are so many variables that not one person here could accurately estimate because none of us know the exact figure of what these guys were making weekly. I made a statement based on a hypothesis to strike up some other opinions, so thank you all for adding to the thread. And PB, I agree, in the older days bosses in the can got their cut, but these guys today don't respect anything. And to whoever said the mob in Philly will always own gambling, you couldn't be more wrong. They may own gambling in the neighborhoods close to Passyunk and have some bookmakers out in the suburbs, but more citizens in greater Philly gamble in casinos, state lottery and through internet sites like Bodog. The mob has a small sector of the gamblers, their gambling proceeds were way more profitable in the old days...plus the job economy is bad, so many of your gamblers who have control of their vice are tightening the belt. The mob in Philly probably have bigger sports books, but the state lottery, scratch off tickets and local casinos easily have the lions share of gamblers.

Weird how you say nobody knows for certain if Joey was boss all that time...when there is far more evidence to support that then your claim of Joey not even being liquid for 250 k which is basically a wild guess.

I mean what do you think Ligambi was official after Joey went to the can and half way or 3/4 through his term or whenever the La Griglia tapes were and then decided he wanted the official title and have Ligambi act for him??

What is more logical? That? Or that he was boss all along...??

who knows what joey has put away money wise.. all iknow is he lives well and spends a lot, don't know if its his money or not but he seems to enjoy himself... as far as his wife being a lavish spender or not..when he was locked up she didn't appear to be at all.. her and the daughters lived with her parents in wayside nj when joey was away.. living really normal...
since hes been out though you can for sure say things are different.. theyre spending a lot.. just got each daughter new cars. a benz and a Porsche cayenne.. and seen joey in a rolls, Ferrari and a Bugatti.. obviously they aren't owned.. but still hes doing his thing and money doesn't seem to be an issue.. that's all im saying

I will say from personal experience though..when it comes to criminals... 9 times out of 10 the guy driving the Toyota camry has 100 times the amount of bread put away then the guy driving the benz..

True, Cefalu was driving around in a shitty car apparently. lives in a average house with his mother and he's boss of a 200+ soldier family, taking in millions. that's the way to do it.

Re Merlino having 250k, it wouldn't surprise me either way but Joey's clearly a big spender.

Blackjack,

Like I stated earlier, it is my belief that Joey doesn't have $250k lying around in savings. I never said I was right. In regards to who the boss was the entire time he was away, nobody knows for certain. Nobody could accurately discuss how much money Philly takes in a week and like I said, Ligambi had 2 RICO trials to pay for and he's a criminal, so who knows if he was dipping into his own money or under-reporting what the true figures were. Again, my common sense tells me when you are buying or leasing a Benz, Porsche, Ferrari and Bugatti immediately after being released from prison and attracting that kind of attention on a restaurant salary and reports of people supporting him, then I find it hard to believe that it's his money. Through the FBI/IRS and Justice Department reports in the past about Merlino, it doesn't seem to me that he stashes away a nickel. If he owned apartment buildings or other real estate holdings that he washed his dirty money with, then I stand corrected. I'm not saying your wrong, I just gave my opinion based off what I have read and what I have heard from some people I know who are close to South Philly. How much do you think Ligambi's two RICO trials were?

And for the record, I think Ligambi is better for Philly than Joey. If anything, he should get all the credit for keeping things in line and low key for the most part. I'd probably say that half of Philly would agree with that. I also read a report where Joey met with some people about selling his life story...unless your cash strapped, why on earth would you sell your story to Hollywood? I don't know him, but it's wiseguys like him that make it bad for every other wiseguy. And that can't be denied.

Oscarthedago-

I can tell by the fact that your member name has the highly offensive word "Dago" in it that you are from somewhere in bumfuck middle America because no one here in the NJ/Philly/NY area even has that stupid word in their vernacular, just wanted to call your midwest, probably not even Italian, middle America corn fed ass out- Have a nice day!

Sorry, that word Dago is so stupid and boils my blood-I had to say something. Every time I see your stupid member name I get pissed off

Not trying to offend you. Yes, I am from the midwest but have lived in the Northeast for a long time. My entire family comes from Reggio Calabria, the San Nicola Ardore region as well as Tropea and yes, Dago is a term used all over the midwest in the Italian communities since the largest Calabrian emigration in the late 1800's and early 1900's was in the Pittsburgh/Youngstown/Cleveland area. Calabrians were laborers and they went where the work was and that region had steel, auto manufacturing, mining, railroads & coal...thus the large presence of southern Italians. In the midwest, not many people are offended by the word.

I don't know you and probably never had too much dialog with you, but you have no basis to insult me. Several people know me on this site and some of them personally, so they know where I come from. Now that your blood is boiling I find that more amusing than you'll ever know. If you're looking to start a problem for no reason, that's sad. Would it make you feel better if I changed my moniker?

You know there are Italians outside of NJ/Philly/NY right?

Sorry man, I was in a bad mood this morning and I really do hate that word because whenever I went somewhere on vacation or traveled in the Midwest I would hear the biggest, deushbag Middle American use that word and it brought back bad memories.

I was just in a bad mood, nothing personal. I was having my cup of coffee in my Borgata suite in AC on this site after losing a shitload of money last night and I was in a livid mood. Nothing personal Oscar, I'm sorry and apologize. Tonight I'm staying away from the blackjack and craps tables and just hitting the clubs with the guys!

I never hold grudges, life's too short. While I understand that being from the Northeast it may have been looked at as a bad term, in the midwest, it's hardly offensive to the Italians who reside there. If I need to change my moniker, I have no issue with that. Stick with Roulette, it's your best chance to win in a casino.

Stick with Roulette, it's your best chance to win in a casino.

Just curious: I always understood that next to Keno, Roulette was the least "player" friendly. Craps being the most "player" friendly.

No, its OK Oscar like I said I was in a bad mood. Yeah I play Roulette when I'm really drunk and dont want to think, I call it "caveman gambling" RED!, BLACK! (caveman voice pointing at a color)

let it go. my personal opion the guy has it made. has a beutiful restaurant in one of the nicest place in america walks around philly like a star this is a city of 7million people goes to the jersey shore red carpet. goes to games for free, good seats. like baby shacks in rhode island guy was flying in privit jets but living in apartment above a laundry mat with nothing in his name but a certifacit for his wake/funeral.

like that rapper said i put the mansion in my mammas name that i stay fly some shit like that. long night on the slopes.

I would have thought it was roulette...Red or Black, even or odd..no?

LOL...I'm a caveman when I drink as well

Actually, speaking of the Borgata and AC I have a sighting that kinda relates to this topic...

2-3 summers ago on a Saturday afternoon (it was a big Holiday weekend, the Fourth of July) I was going back to my room in the Borgata and I see Steve Mazzone and Phil Ligambi being led up to the high rollers suites by a Borgata VIP Host. I cant remember which one it was, but one of them was wearing one of those Powder Blue Yankees hats that all the rappers used to wear back in the late 90s. I thought that was really weird.

Now I only know two guys that have VIP Hosts at the Borgata (one of them OWNS a pharmacy and the other is a big shot lawyer) but these guys are both millionaires. Now I'm in no way saying Mazzone and Phil Ligambi are millionaires but the Borgata is the nicest, most opulent casino in AC and its also the stingiest when it comes to giving out comps and obtaining a VIP host. They have high standards for having a VIP host. So for whatever its worth, I did see that 2-3 summers ago (I want to say 3 summers ago) and it kind of relates to this thread.

How 'bout 0 & 00? You only get paid even money on either 18 Red or Black numbers with the zeros being the house's 10% edge.
Craps has only a 3%+ house advantage. At least that what I was taught by a couple casino operators ;-)

I'll take your word for it...after all, I know who you know

Is Angelo Bruno's family still in the Philly area? Did he have any kids?

You knew that Merlino met with Lancelotti already? How? This baseless flaming of Scott is out of hand. Let's not scare away journalists from this board

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South philly guys have no style. Trust me, we dress like a cross between workout attire and a rap video.

Lay off those slopes PMac......keep it to bunny hills at most.

Yeah he's got a daughter but who recently sold the house that he was shot outside of on Snyder Ave. she seems like a night job kinda. His son (Micheal I think it is?) may have passed away suddenly though but I'm not positive about that.

I wonder what kind of money he left behind.

Well we obviously don't agree on Merlino's finances. Regardless, the guy is living like a millionaire and really enjoying his freedom. There is no denying that.

But my main point of that post to you...I was pretty much pointing out an example of you being hypocritical in regards to his boss status vs his liquid cash situation.

Good question, but I would imagine it was a pretty significant amount. He seemed to live fairly modestly and who knows what he was taking in as tribute from his side deal with the Cherry Hill Gambino's to deal in his territory.

Bruno was more your style of low key, brains before bullets type of boss.

I'm sure he had plenty of blood on his hands. And as far as being low key, I'm not saying to live under a rock. I just don't go for rubbing things in the Feds' noses. They'll make your life miserable at the very least.

The Gambino brothers were heroin kingpins for sure, no doubt they paid tribute to operate on his turf but I don't think it was anything significant in terms of the amount they were raking in, remember Carlo held influence over Bruno, then I'm sure Big Paul did, to an extent, and they were relatives of the Gambino brothers.

Bruno's daughter is interviewed on the Crime Inc series back in the 80's, she must be old now.

Brunos son died like 15-20 years ago. He owned an exterminating company that was taken from Leonettis dad. I think Leonetti may mention that his dad had the business but I'm not sure if he says bruno took it. Now, that's what i heard from an old timer; Phil's dad was a gambler and lost his business. could be true; could not be. but that's what I heard.

Mike Bruno also made an effort in the mid-80s to open up health club and gym chain. It fizzled after a while. he was never officially tied to LCN but obviously his business benefitted from his fathers recognition.

If you make a black/red bet in roulette, you are betting even money and have a 18/38 chance of winning. That's a 2.63% house advantage.

I always play Red, last bet of the evening before I head up to my Room.

Win most of the time.

Wife always says from a sound sleep on my return to the room,,,, " was it Red"?

I say " Yes, go to sleep".

He personally committed at least one murder as the shooter and there about a ten or so that we know of that he ordered or sanctioned as boss. The "docile don" thing is basically a myth, Bruno killed a lot of people. As far as violence goes, he was no Amuso or Scarfo, but he was about on par with just about any other boss, like say LaRocca or Buffalino or Scalish, who was not a homicidal maniac.

I wasn't trying to be hypocritical, just practical. We may disagree on his current financial status and you're entitled your opinion and I respect it.

He was in power for a long time and during LCN's heyday, I knew a guy from Pittsburgh who spent a lot of time with Bruno, told me once he still had his first communion money...Tony Salerno was reported to have an estimates $50 million. Gambino as well was reported to have a staggering amount...Bruno and Carlo were tight, cut from the same cloth...old school. What do you think Chin left behind for his kids PB?

Yeah Bruno was very wealthy..didnt he have the bar tender and service industry unions under his thumb?

And really Bruno was the last Philly boss to get full respect and representation on the commission....

I mean Scarfo kind of did but to a much lesser extent.

If you make a black/red bet in roulette, you are betting even money and have a 18/38 chance of winning. That's a 2.63% house advantage.

With all due respect I was taught that with 18 winning numbers @ even money and 20 loosing numbers or 10 losers for only 9 winners that the house enjoyed a 10% edge. Please keep in mind that this came directly from 3 different casino operators.

Pizzaboy, do you happen to know if Chin was very well off? Anything close to Salerno?

Chin left plenty of money behind. Plus a lot of land in North Jersey and down in Florida.

And there were other Salerno era captains that had that kind of money. Cockeyed Nick Rattenni was one of the largest private landowners in Westchester County, all above board and in his name. That's not to mention the garbage businesses. When he died he left well over 50 million in cash and property to his family.

Do you think Gambino had staggering wealth?

Well, Tommy has staggering wealth, so just follow the money trail. Of course he did.

Bruno has more body's then ten ,maybe upward of twenty ....And yes Phil's L father owed Bruno gambling debts, turned over his business to him. Intern to the son ...

I figured that but Tommy accumulated a boatload of wealth after his father passed away from my understanding. Did Tommy happen to marry a cousin as well?

I'm not going down that road. There are too many Sicilians on this site .

Skinny is going to get tired of hanging around that restaurant in the off season.
He has never had a real job for longer then a month or so. This is going to be no different . He will be running back to Philly as much as possible ,and will be pushing his luck.

I see him getting a call from Eddie and him high tailing it back to Florida as a hard working restaurant owner ..lol

Ya know, I hate to agree with you on this one Serp, because it is the worst thing he can do for himself...he should visit as least as possible as long as things are running smooth enough and trust the guys he has in place

But Joey being Joey, he loves the action

But hopefully I am wrong, because if what you say rings true...that will be his downfall...matter of time

I can't stand Boca in the summer myself, and I love it down there. Summer trips are few and far between for us. And I'm only four or five years older than Joey, and truth be told we have similar tastes (eating out a lot, etc.). He'll be bored to death from the Fourth of July until AT LEAST Columbus Day.

Pizza,

When we were transferred to a crew in Ft. Pierce that was the first time we ever had a/c in our bucket trucks, most companies think we'll be sitting in the truck all day if we have a/c and actually pay companies like Altec or International to take it out.

We never even used it. Working in the heat all damn day in a long sleeve FR shirt with rubber gloves and rubber sleeves gets you so hot you don't want the a/c because you feel like the shock will make you pass out. Some CEO's don't have the sense of an inbred pig.

^^^^ @ Dix

It's not just that, Dix. The heat aside, the area is literally dead all Summer long. The only places that get busy in Florida during the Summer are Disney and Key West.

Disney because of the kids, and Key West because a) It's not nearly as hot as the mainland during the Summer, and b) It's freaking Key West .

It is in our blood being from where we are ,and the feel of the seasons . He is no different but he has a hundred guys kissing ass and handing money up here .
That's hard to stay away from when you don't have the feds telling you you can't be around your boys.
You see where he is ,and how many flights he will be taking in and out of town.

That don't mean come Dec. Feb.April March he not back full time ,well till May that is . Hell we all love that sun in April !

Agreed. To me, Disney is a waste and always is. Like you said Key West is beautiful any time of the year.

I wasn't trying to imply the heat, it was just your story reminded me of that. I need to get better with these reminisce stories

And I still prefer Islamorada

Must be something in the water for those Gambinos...they truly like to keep it in the family

So do I. I also love Key Largo. But once in awhile there's nothing like Duval Street when you just want to let it all hang out for a few days.

When we do the Keys we usually drive all the way down to Key West, stay two or three days max, then work our way back up. At almost 56 years old, my body can't tolerate Key West for more than two or three days. Seriously. But when I was younger? Oh, boy....

A place called the Cheeca Lodge is my spot in Islamorada. And yes, a close friend of mine has a place in Key Largo. Key West is great...during fantasy fest

Oh, Man. Ivy League is my buddy. But can you imagine him down there in October?

Sodom and Gomorrah!!

Couldn't even imagine! I went down there every year from the age of 23-29...I'm still recovering

Did Skinny go back to his spot in Florida or is there sightings still in Philly ??

The guys around here and toward the city are still kicking to the same guys nothing has changed...

According to Scott burnsteins recent article that someone posted a link to, there was supposed to be a big "family" meal at fat Angelo lutz restaurant in collingswood. Lol.

I can tell ya with fair certainty that the collingswood shop owners and civic association ain't gonna stand for too many of them meetings, IF it occurred. Anyone who knows collingswood knows it ain't private or secluded. Especially that restaurant.

Nice down here in ventnor this weekend serp.

i read once that tommy gambino was worth approx $70 million legally. tommy married frances lucchese, daughter of tommy.

His brother Joe is worth just as much, so it probably didn't have much to do with marrying Lucchese's daughter.

It's crazy when you think about it, Moussie the Philly UB got like 20 years for fucking poker machines few years back. Gambino brothers extorted the garment district for how long? And they only did a few years ad living free with there money.

probably didnt have much to do with the marriage, but it sure didnt hurt their pocket books either !

Did Mousie plea bargain and have 12 million in cash to pay the government?

He went to trial and lost. And an even if did plea out, I doubt he could "show" a million, let alone 12 (and don't forget the "reparations" the Gambino brothers paid their "victims").

Don't forget, when you pay a large government fine, you MUST be able to "show" where it comes from. Money makes the world (and the Government) go around .

Apples and oranges, though.

I read the brothers gave millions to charity so they probaly had friends in high places all over nyc. Sure they helped alot of legit people get more ahead in life.

All with blood money P.

Doesn't wash the sins away.

Mousie is like a 6 time convicted felon. That may be an exaggeration, but only slightly if so. I think that was the reason he got hammered at sentencing.

The counter argument to that is he's served his time for those other offenses.
He's been punished.

In taking into account past offenses you're effectively punishing the guy again for the original crime. Which is oxymoronic to the whole purpose of paying your debt to society.

And it was only gambling. So it's a bullshit sentence tbh.

It is nice here ! I have 7 house guests and the rest at the Nuggett we are celebrating my godson B-day 21st !! it started last night ,and I don't see it stopping till mon am or tues..

Always liked that little town Collingwood I can't recall the name of spot we would go and eat at but I know the food was good.. 80's 90's

For get about it " It's guilty till proven innocent ....period !

Unless he was on parole. I didn't follow the case. Was he on parole?

Just checked it out.

He was convicted of racketeering extortion (a gambling machine/slots company) 188 months/16yrs. Fed time. 85%. 2024 ish he's out. 75yrs old.

Whip : Heading out on the boat tonight where are you hanging ?
We will be tearing it up along the inter coastal ,then we are fishing the inlet between Longport and Ocean City till the weee hours ..

You make a very valid point, and in different cases I have different opinions on that one. I don't find it fair in every case, but I can also understand the government's stance. If you continue to commit the crimes, you obviously failed to be "reformed" after your prior convictions, and as such, there has to be an additional penalty to hopefully deter others from doing the same in the future. I don't have the statistics, but I would imagine that it really hasn't worked like they hoped it would.

Regarding Mousie, he also has some sort of drug conviction on his record as well, not just the gambling and mob related racketeering offenses. But I'm with you on this one, he got hammered in that case. I believe he took the heaviest sentence out of everyone in that whole indictment. His partners in the video poker business either walked altogether (Ligambi) or received a lesser sentence (Staino). In fairness though, Staino got nailed to the wall too, seeing that he had no criminal history or arrest record prior to that indictment.

He's a career criminal which is why he had the boOk thrown at him. He was a low-level as associate in the 80s and got busted with the scarfo guys for meth. Same bust my neighbor went down in.

Whip what is the neighbor that got pinched back in the day ?

Understood if you don't want to say the name...

joey merlino is pretty much a gangbanger

I know its not like his father wasnt a underboss, and he has been boss for 20 years.

he ran back to philly right after his parole restrictions were up

3 of their crews went to jail in the middle of a war, not a stopped war

they're a violent family with older members fresh outta jail and cranky

What the fuck has that got to do with gang banging cook?

Absolutely nothing.

I think he might be lost, confused, or in the wrong thread.

@Serp - Next time I'm in Ventnor we will meet up and have a couple drinks.

And, it's nothing personal for the guys who contribute all the time on this site.


http://articles.philly.com/1987-06-18/news/26186308_1_indictment-crime-family-kingpin-statute

joey merlino acts more like a gangbanger than mafia leader

then he flaunted he was still in charge like a gang banger

You see Joey riding around in a low rider flashing signs?
Dressing in red or blue. Shorts round his ankles?
Slinging crack on street corners?

You are lost. Or confused. Or both.
But why am I surprised. Look who Im talking too.

joey being in town is showing his gang sign

his associates probably sell drugs

if you haven't noticed gangmembers wear tight clothes now-a-days of all colors

What does this even mean?

Do YOU even know?

Guys cook is too stupid for his own good. If you try to make sense of what he says you're IQ will drop or your head will explode. One of the two.

To quote Uncle Junior- "Some people are so far behind in a race that they actually believe they're leading"

Thanks, Whip. I thought it was a methamphetamine bust on Mousie's record but I wasn't 100% sure and couldn't find anything when I searched for it.

It's unfortunate you see a new post on a particular thread your interested in and its somebody with some idiotic comments. Sad

You got that shit right!

I live two blocks from Lutz place in Collingswood. What Are you talking about? Not private or secluded? They busted a guy with like four keys of coke who lived across the street from the police station a few years ago. I just don't know what you're getting at

Serp and nicky whip i was in ac for bachelor party this past weekend saw Jimmy Norton..but me and my buddies went to Angelos for dinner Sat over by where Scarf inc was...I know I read about them.meeting at Angelonis in phils book but was "Angelos" a spot where they met at too or do I have shit confused..

random trip down memory lane went by the knife and fork too , my gpop lived in Ventnor last few years of his life, absolutely loved the food there

Angeloni's is ten times better than Angelo's.

They would go to both of them.But back then Angelonis was not open for lunch so if something was going on and they had to meet with somebody and it was early they went to Angelo's if it was later they would go to Angeloni's ..
And Dante is right about the food ! But the people from out of town go to Angelo's twice as often as Angeloni's I have no clue why ...Angelo's kill it doing 850 dinners on saturday nights in season...where Angeloni's will do 250 ? ? ?
But they were two of the spots in Ducktown where many important meetings were held no doubt ....

Serp
Which has better food, angelo's tavern or Angolini ?

The food at Angeloni's is ten times better, hands down. Angelo's is more of a "mainstream" , tourist trap...

You mentioned you live in Collingswood a few times so I know you know the place. I used to live on Maple Ave; same side of Haddon Ave as Tortilla Press, etc.

Maybe I wasn't clear. Let's assume Law Enforcement looks at this site or Scott's site from time to time. And they see that the Philly Mob is meeting at Lutz' restaurant on a friday night. And, it's possible that Merlino will be there, According to Scott Burnsteins article.

You think that small town, after all the hard work they put in to that downtown area is gonna let a bunch of supposed gangsters meet at the corner of their busiest intersection? And not have anything to say about it? I mean, Lutz restaurant aint in the middle of the woods dude. It's on the corner so it only has 3 sides to get in and out of.

And if LE has such a hard on for these guys, you think curiousity wouldn't get the best of them and they take a look? You don't think Lutz is being watched from time to time?

And for the record, I wrote the "LOL" because I don't think Philly guys would meet in Collingswood. restaurant. Just my 2 cents..

I can't remember the details of the article, but wasn't it some sort of homecoming gathering/get together?

You ever think, that's all it is? Not a big secret meeting where hits are discussed.

If Scott could find out about it, I doubt it was a huge secret and meant to be a "mob meeting". These guys are people and just hang out, too.

I understand what you're saying but I don't think they can or will do anything besides alert the Feds. Everyone all ready knows who Lutz is anyway. The food there is nothing special anyway I prefer Bistro di Marino or il fire for Italian anyway. Not.trying to give you a hard time but there is a lot of shit going on in Collingwood under the radar. The local pigs focus mostly on west c wood and woodlyne area anyway.

Sorry doublepost

here is the article you guys are referencing:

http://gangsterreport.com/philadelphia-mob-enters-new-era-borgesi-angelina-return-to-action/

Serp: I've been meaning to ask you, what is/was your opinion of Mayor Matthews? Any inside info you can share...

And that's what I intended to mean; what you said. I don't think Collingswood PD would come in with the battering ram, but you know some of the people would bitch that it's taking away from the atmosphere.

And I know Collingswood has some things going on. It's up the street from Camden.

Can't say nothing ,very very close to someone in my family .And were very close during that time...
See he came from Ducktown !!

sorry Serp, I understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EaoPMANQM

All cool you had no way of knowing..
His family on one side are Ducktown Italians..and there were many on that side..

It must be on his mothers side, because Matthews is a major WASP last name lol.

Shortened from Matthewlocquia... Just kidding.

If anyone is in northern jersey stay off the garden state... Three lane closure... Horrible accident.

hmmmmmm

Lol, sorry. Not my best effort.

No sir it was not. If i can save someone from embarrassing themselves by using a joke like that in real life, I have done my job! haha

joey merlino obviously doesn't give a fuck about life in jail but do his cohorts

he could've ran shit from florida or just fucking retire

That's why he's back in Florida. There is no evidence that Joey is going to be coming back to Philly full time. He's smartened up over the years. He's positioned his life long friends at the top, guys like Stevie Mazzone and Johnny Chang that he knows he can trust to run the day to day affairs on the street without needing his consent on everything. Plus, he still has the final say on any major decisions from Florida while he tries to give the appearance of an everyday "working man" at his restaurant. I don't believe the meeting that Scott reported about at Fat Angelo's restaurant was necessarily just to talk mob business, I think it was more of just a welcome home party for Joey now that he's finally free of prison and parole restrictions for the first time in 15 years.

Nearly the entire family is back out on the street, and I think Joey realizes if he plays it right and works with guys he may not like (or they may not respect him, either) that there is very good money to be made. It's not the crumpled organization anymore that he wrestled away from Stanfa or took complete control of after Natale flipped -- they have more strength in numbers now and he's got heavy hitters and real earners back on the streets. If the reports about the three man ruling panel while Joey was in prison were true, then I think that shows right there that Skinny is willing to work with guys like Narducci; not just to avoid potential violence, but he knows the earning potential.

The bottom line is this: the federal government won't stop coming after Joey until they have him tucked away in a tiny cell somewhere for the rest of his life, and that's been said a thousand times on this forum and many other similar boards. However, he knows he has a better chance to stay on the streets longer if he stays in Florida, appears to work at his restaurant, and is the ultimate shot caller from afar. Sure, law enforcement will still be all over him in Florida, but if he returns to South Philly, the feds are going to put on a full court press the minute he touches down in the city with the intention of staying for good.

"Now there's a flip-side to that coin" - easy trivia quote

Did the meeting at Fat Ange's Restaurant happen? No one was talking about it on the street. And if you live in this area, people have big mouths. None of the regular reporters talked about it. I don't think it did but I wouldn't be invited anyway.

I am not knocking Scott Burnstein, I liked Phils book and I know for a fact that alot of it was truth. But, some of his articles are regurgitations and speculative add-ons of OLD OLD OLD stories.

On to Merlino as boss from Florida - I speculate - NO WAY. Why?? No way any of those Scarfo guys are going to kick up to him while he's in Florida. I'm sorry but he's gotta be present. I can't even see Borgesi accpeting Merlino being king from Florida.

I can't see him able to hold on.

I think Serp will agree with me on this, the old heads aren't gonna tolerate a flashy, cocky boss, who isn't present. Flashy/cocky got them locked up in the first place.

Philly is volatile and there ain't shit going on around here but drugs/gambling/ and a little shylock. Nothing big.

And LCN Philly doesn't have their arms around it like they did with the street tax. A ton of independent agents/dealers/books in this day. And why deal with the mob, which brings heat on everyone, when you can go through other channels.

I only see this ending one way - a body. Either one of the old Scarfo guys are gonna get banged out to send a message to the others, or One of the young turks are gonna get it.

And remember, there are a few bodies that aren't accounted for over the past few years. All it takes is one slip up, one bust; and one knowledgeable person to roll over. Then, that whole regime goes bye bye.


This isn't NYC. These fuckers are crazy cowboys who were raised up with people shooting each other in broad daylight, public places, in front of their moms, etc. So, don't think they wouldn't drop each other on the street.

Again, this is all speculation....

Whip agreed for most part, I can not get a definitive answer if he is boss. I get a lot of looks with a eye roll(don't know how to take it)I never asked questions before and I am not going to push now.But the Scarf guys are not kicking up NO WAY !to skinny..

But I do get this from some old friends that do a little book,they say they are still kicking up to the same skipper..Same guys that told me last summer that all was to be kept to a low roar !

I think that there some things that have not been worked out at all ,It's all just festering till something explodes . I really think it will come out real soon with all players out and all almost of restrictions.

I think if there is any chance of Philly doing bizz up north it's coming from the old guard and first to get planted up north will rule. I have never seen anything that proves that Skinny is able to do bizz with others if he has the brains..from what I hear he is same old Skinny ..that comes from people that known him since he was a boy if not a baby..

And let me add ,In order to do business professionally they need the family set up . So someone is boss .
And is this boss going to allow three or four old skippers to run there own family . I don't think so ..

But that would explain whats is going on ! Just the same old mess since Nicky sr left..

Only time will tell or LE !

Is that old guy Chang on the scene. If he's healthy what the hell.else does /80 yr old career criminal mafia dude got to do. Like the old guy limone after getting out 33 yrs In prison he went right back. Had older guys then him driving him around parking his car for him.

I would like think with that amount of guys out after all the time locked up all the murders theyd put there pride apart and select someone as boss so they don't look bad compared to the counter parts the 5 fams. My guess the guys still boss just cause when uncle Joe met with john gambino and the he said joeys the boss. They recorded the whole thing and gambino were OK with it.4 yrs ago.

Right on ! No doubt can not go against the bug "

And that's what I'll believe until we hear otherwise. That is the best piece of evidence we have right now and it says Merlino is still active. There are many some reasons posters have given to think he has retired too. But we have Ligambi on tape talking about Merlino proposing guys to be made and saying that Merlino would do the initiation himself when he gets released. So we have solid proof that as of 2010, Merlino is still active (and still in charge). He could of changed his mind since then, but why would he be active for 11 years while in prison then decide to retire less than a year before he is set to be released?

EDIT: I was reading an old article and apparently Ligambi wasn't picked up on tape saying that.
"The memo makes reference to a second restaurant meeting on Oct. 21, 2010, attended by Licata, Fazzini and the cooperator.

During that meeting Licata and Fazzini discussed the structure of the Philadelphia mob and Licata quoted Ligambi about Merlino initiating members when he gets out of jail.

“Licata explained that Merlino is calling the shots from jail,” the memo reads in part."
http://articles.philly.com/2012-05-04/news/31556826_1_crime-family-merlino-racketeering-case

So it was a different meeting with Stefanelli and it was Licata saying this based on what Ligambi said. Interesting.

Very excellent points, Nicky. I would never take Scott's word as gospel; however, I was replying to someone earlier in the thread mentioning the meeting. It was my feeling that if the meeting actually did occur, that it was not particularly about mob business, but more of a welcome home gathering/party. That's just my speculation as well, though.

The only thing I disagree with you is on Joey being the boss. I guess it is nothing more than speculation from all of us until something major shakes out or another indictment is handed down. I've probably said it a hundred times here, but I just can't imagine him giving it up after what he went thru to take control of the family. I think he's smartened up over the last 15 years or so. He's still "Skinny Joey" -- the cocky, celebrity gangster just like you said; however, nobody can say that he hasn't changed somewhat. He's not out looking for the spotlight or the media attention anymore. I don't necessarily understand why the media still loves the guy so much and why he is public fodder more so than any other gangster.

In the end, I'm sure that several of the old guard definitely do not like the guy and have very little or absolutely no respect for him. What do you make of Scott's report several months back that said the Scarfo era guys were kicking up to Stevie out of respect, and that he is essentially bridging the gap between the multiple factions on the street because he is so well liked?

Also, this is for you and Serp: where do you see Faffy lining up when he comes home next summer? Did he have any type of relationship with Chuckie Merlino, or is he in the same camp with the other guys who absolutely hate Joey?

King : I was told that Tommy and Faffy were twisting the knife that was in Chuckie's back and gained monetarily from his knocked down so I'm sure there was no love lost !

They aren't kicking up to Joey in Florida. That is what Mazzone is for who is supposedly liked by the Scarfo guys. They kick to Mazzone and then Joey probably gets his cut. And I think Borghesi has more pressing matters. lol

That's according to Scott, more likely that Narducci is completely independent.

That is possible as well

Thanks Serp, always appreciate the great info from you! If that's the case, then if Faffy returns to the game when he gets home he obviously won't have any love for Skinny and vice versa. Seems like those two dissident factions (opposite Merlino) just continue to get stronger with real earners and gangsters who were certainly never afraid to pull the trigger. The more I think about it, the more I think you guys may be right. It certainly seems like things could boil over at any minute.

King : No doubt something has to happen . I just don't see it all clicking with whatever is out there . There has to be some kind of arrangement ...

Philly's about to boil over?

A whole bunch of septenagarians just released from 30 year bids are going to pick up guns and start shooting?

For the million reasons they won't, they won't.

Bullshit hype IMO.

Good thing philly mob is there all abunch of harden criminals. 95 percent of the family did 10+ stretches in prison some 20. And there all killers. Thing is Joey inducted all these guys on the street after stanfa except a few scarfo guys. I swear it must be a big thing for every mobster to sponcer another guy like a lil brother them scarfo guys never had the chance they went to prison. My mom's down a.c. for a few days trying to find out were her an her friends are staying. Bunch of old widows with thick Boston accents and big beach hats.

Pmac You are the best with that shit !!

Sonny I don't know if you are speaking for me ? But I never said anything about one shot being fired let alone shooting up the town !!
I just know things are not right and something is got to go down soon . And that could be a sit down that gets bugged, to all party's getting together and burying the hatchet .

Then it could stay just as it is and Skinny has them all wrapped around his finger ...

Sonny -- you took what I wrote out of context. I didn't say that it "was" about to boil over. I said it seemed like things "could" boil over at any minute. The only septuagenarian released would be Chickie Ciancaglini, and even that's not right because he's over 80. Faffy Iannarella comes home next summer and he will be 69 or 70 years old, I'm not sure which. Frank Narducci is 61 and Tony Punge is 60; the rest of the "made guys" in those two factions are low to mid 50's.

The pie is shrinking in Philly. Like Whip said, there isn't a lot of big things going down. I didn't say that it would happen, but there is certainly the potential mix for things to go down that road: multiple factions on the streets from different eras, along with the fact that most of these guys absolutely despise each other (the reason they are split into factions in the first place). Things will shake out eventually and we will see if they can all play nicely.

^^^^^

the old heads fresh outta the can probably ain't gonna give merlino a dime

they've probably been in the can damn near suicidal because he's the boss

they should just remove him ass boss before he fucks the family up

And I certainly never said that "boiling over" had to necessarily mean violence. There's a small chance that it could certainly go down that road, but I was mainly trying to say that tensions were high amongst the different factions and players.

I'm in agreement with Serp though, I believe that they would most likely want to go down the peaceful route first. Whether that be Skinny making concessions with Narducci or the other camp or simply dividing the pie equally to keep everyone happy, I don't know.

My apologies to King and Serp. My post was not directed specifically at either, more of a final straw.

To clarify I feel that due to a quiet LCN landscape in the past several months people tend to make mountains out of molehills, which is what I feel is going on in Philly.

In general It's my opinion that things in Philly are somewhat sensationalised and overblown. Generally due to a lack of activity elsewhere.

And any real or perceived grievances by members returning to the fold wont change the landscape nearly as much, or in nearly any interesting way or fashion as mob watches 'hope'.

In a nutshell, Philly is journalism's FOX news right now.

But what do I know.

All good Sonny , of course we do ...
To old to get out there and do it myself..lol

Sonny's comment was maybe directed to me; I speculated that the 2 groups can't play nice and it's not gonna end quietly. I think that because of the history with the old heads and the current administration and also and the lack of history between the old heads and some of the current administration. Those guys getting out are all 2nd generation family. Lots of new names that may not mean much if people start feeling entitled. And no, I don't think the current administration is gonna lay down either.

I can't see it going well and easy with hatred or lack or respect. It's about respect to these guys as well as money.

I agree Nicky, these guys have all had a history to resort to violence when needed and we all know that in Philly most times they don't play nice, so if there is tension there between the old guard and the new guard I can't see it not resulting in violence.

Agreed to the both Whip, Scal, I can see your point .Most don't know how quick tempered Philly is .I totally believe that they , are aware that the feds are watching each and everyone of them or something may have happened already. To me it's the eye in the sky keeping things at peace .... But Philly has always been a killers city ....

Serp you been around the older guys, but I never stood next to them so I can only go by what I heard from neighbors and whatnot. I'm around the same age as the other guys and I stood around with a few of them listening to them bullshit and get nasty with innocent people. One of my close friends really wanted to be around skinny and he would bring me around. This was on the 90s, after a few times in their company, it wasn't for me. But it was enough times to have my neighbor who was around the scarfo guys to say he told me so!! 20 years ago so these guys may have changed. Hahaha

Scarf's guys are/were not like your grand-pop ! These guys were the next generation " ruthless " but all about business ,but could have regular friends of all kinds..and respect for regular folks..

Now Skinny's generation, bullies to regular folks. Gross stuff !
Just do a little research and see for your self..

The only way you could interact ,depended who introduced you and(If it came from A.C. guys they could not get a read on you so you were alright) still was a very uncomfortable situation .
That family I am guessing cos of the two Bosses just being killed were very edgy" .

The only time it felt right around any of them was when Nick sr was away in Texas...and if it was in a social place ..a bar !!

But not the A.C. guys I am talking others, out of town guys...
The local guys I knew since I was a little boy..

I guess cos not to many Philly guys were around daily while he was away so they did not have to push" there chest" out or have a pissing contest !!!

Phil did not go for that circus act ..he seen right through most of them ,and I guess Nick sr did but he was looking for killers and guys to make him money and these guys knew it and it was a pissing contest ...but a treacherous one ....

I certainly don't think all the Scarfo era guys are just going to come home and quietly concede everything to Merlino & Co. Better believe these guys still feel entitled, to the point where they might feel like they deserve some sort of admin spot. And there just isn't enough of those to please everyone .


something will go down, that doesn't mean violence, but better believe demands will be made from the Scarfo camp.

About how many made guys does Philly have?

Around 50

How does that number break down regarding membership in each faction. How many are firmly with the younger generation, how many old scaf, and is there any neutral sort of faction. Be interested to know the actual number of members unsatisfied or aligned against the current admin. also did that number include jailed members?

If the scarfo guys wants to start a war it will be suicide, new york is backing ligambi and merlino and the scarfo guys is out numbered and out gunned...you forget that theres a whole shit load of guys thats loyal to merlino that wasn't working while he was away...its in the scarfo guys best interest to follow orders, theres nothing wrong with asking for a promotion but lets not get carried away

I highly doubt new York would ever get involved if it actually got violent. It's a guaranteed life sentence.

I have never herd anything about a war ? where did you hear this ?

I did hear that there is FBI tapes, or a rat or both, that back a few years 2006ish that the Gambino's were having the top three Philly guys up to NY to hit all three...

I know that is proved !Ligambi,Mazzone were toast !

New York is with the money ! If there is anyone from Philly even doing anything with them..or if anyone from New York is doing anything with Philly.

Where's your proof that NY are backing Merlino? Chin Gigante wanted him killed at one point but thought it best to just sever ties with Philly. You have the Nicky Skins tapes which at best show that NY Gambinos were merely cordial with Ligambi and his guys.

That was just one or two soldiers in a Gambino Jersey crew that were talking about hitting the Philly heirachy, doubt it was sanctioned, probably just talk.

Thanks Tommy , it was caught on tape right ?

And if it was talk "only" who in there right mind would put together that with out support ? Had to have power to live after. Must of been a powerful skipper to make that call.

Tommy good pos5..do u recall who these two Gambino soldiers were and what crew they were with?

heard joey was hanging out with meek mill. Makes sense, they both from philly. Wonder if nikki hanging with joey too

While posters on this site is worried about phil narducci, merlino is worried about his next photo op...like a boss!

I cannot imagine in a million years that Merlino is calling any shots. Now, could he have some sort of minimal advisory roll? Maybe, but what kind of advice could he possibly give???
He is living a good life from what i can see and has plenty of fans willing to pay all his tabs. He isnt stupid and he knows the FBI are dying to put him away for life. The FBI hates when the public embraces a criminal. Thats one of the main reasons they were so relentless with john gotti.

I believe he's the shot caller, he wants to show the government that he's smarter than them...if he said he retired in jail before you can charge him with anything you have to have concrete evidence that he's still active and all his lawyer have to say is "joey is doing all of this from florida"? Merlino is smarter then what people give him credit for

I actually agree I believe Merlino to be much smarter than people give him credit for. Not saying this guy is curing cancer or anything, but I think he's quite street smart. I think the whole "celebrity" thing in the 90s was him building a sort of brand for himself almost so he can easily work old guys like old star struck wannabes in FL. He probably figured hey I'm gonna do some time eventually anyways, but I think now that he has his "brand equity" and served his time that's why you're seeing a much less media friendly and less in your face Merlino & Crew (relatively speaking compared to 90s). And incidentally, he is hooked into Meek Mill and that whole deal and had his young guys and daughters at the concert backstage in Miami. Not sure what kind of influence or even any financial inroads he has with that whole scene anymore, but the connection and relationship is definitely there. Remember he got RAM Squad a record deal with Universal. Just some food for thought... Maybe I'm giving Merlino way too much credit here, but it sort of makes sense if you look at the big picture in terms of how he operates.

Merlino should go into the music biz,what a racket that is

If he is then he'll do as Belmont says.

Stay retired in Florida and let fan boys pick up his cheques and the FBI waste their time taking his portrait.

Well if he is retired I hope he saves money. Because how long can he keep having his expenses being paid a lot for by "fan boys"? I really have a hard time thinking in 10 - 20 yrs if he is free there are going to be enough rich guys around who want to spend money on him.

Same could be said 15yrs ago before he went away, that no one would pick up his tab in a decade. And clearly they are.

10 pages long of "joey's in town???"

I saw this thread other week and would have thought it died a long death- just goes to show the fascination with "Joey"

Be honest, how many of u have saved up/ are saving up to go eat at Merlino's....

Joey merlino deserves 10 pages maybe even 20,without merlino this would be a very boring site.merlino is the longest reigning god father of any family thats currently serving in america and thats saying something, through all of th prison sentences the philly family has received and thier still standing, other families went defunct from fbi pressure. I never bought into if merlino show his face in philliy the scarfo guys is going to kill him, merlino goes anywhere he wants with no bodyguards, that tells you how much he is scared of these scarfo guys, you don't get to be a boss for 20+ years by being a punk.i also don't buy the story that mazzone is the only guy narducci gives money to because he can't stand marlino, thats hog wash, mazzone was right buy merlino side when the scarfo guys got overthrown years ago, so if you hate merlino why not hate mazzone? And your going to tell me when they give mazzone money they don't know he's kicking up to merlino??? C'mon...they got out of jail and they fell in line like all of the other scarfo guys will do when they get out, if they really wanted trouble they would tell merlino, mazzone and the whole crew to go fuck themselves and keep the money for themselves

I agree bigfella. People on this site don't give him anuff credit. I mean he's not big union but them days are probaly over in philly. Just read some philly union boss got 19 yrs on Rico that's life. Merlino keeps winning and is a mean s.o.b. like I read his dad was a legend in philly. If he made Chang sr his underboss basically thats last word when joey not around whose gonna go against that. and when he's in Florida he keeps mazzone a known killer acting boss smart play.

I give merlino a lot of credit for being cautious around nicky skins... others fell for it...

When he started collecting the elbow in 88, did he have his dad's ok?

Merlino fan boys at it again

Sorry Tommy but you can keep trolling if you like. Everything the big fella said is true. Besides that there is clearly a resurgence out here.they are loaning the whole world money for 2-3pts a week. If they were a bunch of bums and brokesters like you claim they would be killing each other. Wether you wanna face facts or not Joey Merlino is the boss and business is.booming. If you just simply refuse to believe that it's ok just be a man and admit it.

got some new pics.. also have pics that have merlino and johnny chang and i think its either from the night Joey got violated for seeing chang cause its from last summer some time..

These pictures are from last summer. not sure if it was the night Merlino violated parole or another night. Chang and merlino arent in the pics together but if i was joey i wouldnt of been taking pictures that night!

Merlino looks old as shit! Who is the unknown in the pictures?

Skinny Joey with Meek Mills backstage last week in Miami

Phil Narducci on right with his nephew Frankie Narducci

Never once have I said Merlino isn't boss, nice try though. They only have a handful of genuine earners on the street, that's pretty much factual, the guys in admin/capo positions are eating, most of the rest aren't.

You're a known Merlino fan boy and liar, good luck with that, sad individual.

Great photo's HS, been wondering where you've been. Narducci is a big dude. Joey posing with an unhappy Meek Mill lol

Thanks Tommy. i got a few more you guys would probably like that im about to post... Ive been around and reading threads from time to time but theyre hasnt been anything really interesting going on besides people bashing each other or talking bullshit so i havent been posting ya know? Figured its about time i come out the shadows again lol

heres more

Steve Mazzone

Dom Grande

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These are all Steve "snitch" Frangipani .. the third one is a jail pic i was gonna see if anybody could identify any of the other inmates... if theyre even connected..

The two pics i posted of Vince Iannece were the first ive ever seen ever so i thought that was pretty cool.. also the pic of John Casasanto when he was young was a good find.. and the narducci one.. I used to have like 100+ photos of philly guys but when i moved to Denver my laptop broke and i lost most of the pictures. Most of them are in threads on the site somewhere s0 its no big deal.. i think its funny when like Scott Burnstein puts pictures of Philly guys that i posted on here in his articles.. lol

Stevie, is that Mazzone's son in the blue top with his daughter?

Dom Grande going grey in his mid 30's ouch.

No thats Sonny Mazzones son in that picture.. Hes not connected hes in military i think.. and yea I was thinking the same thing about Grande.. thinking about gettin charged with Dipetros murder for the last 2 years has him stressing and going grey already lol

Good point on Dom, he's aged 15 years in the last 2!

Is Vincent Iannece made?

As far as I know he is.. Ive heard from many people that he was made. you just dont hear much about him but thats a good thing for him ya know?

just found more of Steve Mazzone and his people and some of Joey and his peoples. posting in a minute

Eddie Wags, Merlino, Ray wags

Joey outside of Raos

Merlino before his trip to philly on stan steins jet!

Tony Giraldi with Skinny Joey

Merlino with his lawyer ed jacobs and his money guy stan stein

Steve Mazzone and his peoples... seems like all the photos i find with Mazzone hes always around the same guys but I cant identify any of them besides his brothers and nephews. Mazzones girlfriend is smoking, shes in the green bathing suit on the boat...

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that last picture is Sonny mazzone Jr, Dom Grande, anthony mazzone jr, Sonny mazzone sr, unknown, unknown, Steve Mazzone and unknown. the guy on far right is in a lot of pics with mazzone over the last year

It was actually back in the late 1990s or early 2000s that Genovese and Gambino members plotted with Philly member Pete "The Crumb" Caption to kill Ligambi, Mazzone, and Borgesi. The NY families wanted to distribute their own video poker machines in South Jersey and Philadelphia and didn't want to cut Ligambi and the rest in on the profits. Caprio participated because he would have their support to take over the Philly family afterwards.

Shit everybody talks about how Joey is living so good these days but take a look at Steve Mazzone.. Hes living it up. With all the money thats coming stevies way you gotta wonder how much if any he really is kicking up to Joey. Everybody respects and has love for Stevie, i seriously think the family could be his if he really wanted it.

Great pics HS.

Much appreciated.
Cheers pal.

Seems like almost all the Philly guys are good with posing for pics and knowing they'll b put up on the web. Granted there not being shown doing anything so probly doesn't matter. Also skinny Joey is a lil guy. They also jus all seem younger than what other areas guys look like. Could you imagine a Gamblno boss taking pic with meek mill

it's must kill dom that his dad is a rat.

Thanks Ivy : I know it don't sound like much now ,but when it is talked about by a relative or a family member from Philly it is like yesterday.
I did hear" what you posted but had nothing in writing to to fall back on . Because of the other family involved i had no written proof, only old friends talking .
But none the less,was wondering what they were going to do with Skinny as he was sitting in prison .
They would have had to do something . That still may come out one of these days ,that guy has some people close to him that don't have his back.
He must be paying them really good...

Thanks for posting .
You have been a ghost lately" good to hear from you !

How come nobody has said Joey must have had some big sit down with NY the night he went to Raos! Haha

Is thier anybody in florida kicking up to merlino? It would be a perfect situation for ligambi to move to florida and over see the rackets for a year or 2 and then retire

meek mill looks a little scared in that picture like he was forced to take it

No, Meek Mill always looks like that. Seriously, google his other pictures. Its the same expression every photo. Even his professional ones.

Seems there doing good. The guy Steve must get the orange spray cause dude is ompa lompa orange. Is the guy Vince Charlton whites kid who was around crow and is he alive?

Pmac !! " Ompa Lompa Orange" love it !!

I'm a known fan boy and a liar? I don't think so. It does get old seeing some.weirdo from England constantly trolling in the philly mob threads

How am I trolling, what have I said is wrong? And yeah, you and bigfella stick up for Merlino every chance you get, a known scumbag. You admitted your a fan of him, you got a gun mate? I suggest you blow your brains out, you need help.

News flash...thier all scumbags!!!

And we're all scumbags because we don't have anything better to do but sit around and talk about scumbags!

I don't admit anything. Never have never will. I'm not a fan of anyone except Peyton manning and Demarcus ware. That is American football mate. To be specific you are constantly dismissive in every thread about philly. In this thread alone you already stated they have a bunch of management guys and their soldiers don't earn anything. I take exception with that because of a few things. First of all, what do you base your accusations on? You are not from here but you pop up in every philly thread acting like you know something. I am here. I know Barretta. My closest friends half brother is a Narducci. I live two blocks from Angelo Lutz restaurant. I know these gamblers well who run shoulders with these people. I come on here to contribute to this board because OC interests me. I get a kick out of it just like you, otherwise whY would we be here? I personally think Merlino is way too flamboyant, not my style at all. How am I a liar and fanboy?

Wasn't there a story that fiumara wanted merlino to come to new york for a sit down and merlino said fuck that you come to philly

Yes, but without the "fuck you." The way I read it, the subtext from Merlino seemed to say something like "C'mon Tino, I am not gonna end up like Caponigro. You want to meet? We do it here."

Ivy solid int sir do you have more insight on what this was about between joey and tino?..was this when joey just got outta jail.bc didnt Tino die in 2012?

Picasso posted about this story on the Real Deal Forum a couple years back.

I am not positive ,cos I am getting up there . But it must have been mid to late 90's when Skinny was at his worst .

He would have been hit by The Greek but The Greek would not stop violating parole.
And boy did Skinny get lucky(and he did not come in or he would be dead) ,cos if you dont think for one min that Nicky sr did not have friends in that North Jersey Westside crews you are crazy.
Many if not most of that crew was from the old Manna crew ...what does that tell you .

The reward would have been more of the Philly family rackets.
Not only was it the Westside it was North Jersey lukes that Tino and Nick was tight with from all the years they came to Nick in A.C. Tino was very tight with them also .

Philly and Skinny has lived by luck and the help from LE cos if not,, from inside Nicky would of had them .

I don't like to tell that cos I don't know of any wiretaps or rats that told it but if you look what went down in the years after there were a few powerful guys that tried to do that favor in turn for profit .
And Tino and Coppola was just a couple guys he called favors from,but it all blew up and never happened .

The fact that Skinny got lucky again came from Tino's sickness and dies before Skinny gets back out on the streets .

The chain of events that Skinny has been through and lived is nothing but unreal !!

But them genovese guys is pretty tight, whoever's in charge wouldn't either dl or dc still carry it out?

Sorry, I dont.

Merlino is in town for a few weeks. He went to memories in margate last night.maybe it was mentioned but I didn't feel like reading use bitch and moan esp with the return of the know it all.

Pics all over going back...unknown is Mikey Emma. He's mousies brother...I think half brother

It's dead in Fla. for 8 mo. and he is getting very restless .
This is when things will get him in trouble .
He is running around in night clubs that 20 and 30 year old men and women go to.
He is in his 50's now and this is not the way to stay out of prison.
You know this is what everyone was talking about .If he stayed in Fla. year round he was doing the right thing(maybe) .He is not and he has never ran a spot like he has in Fla.(that is someome else bizz)..
That is a tough bizz for anyone(that is trained) let alone someone that don't have a clue.

Does anyone think he is only running this bizz and is out of the life ?

I really don't think he will be running around to clubs every night. He went to a club that has 20 year olds to 60 year olds with more older than younger

Not that it was a good look to even go to memories but he does go way back with Jerry blavvat and I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to just say hi or was pushed by others to go or if he goes every Saturday he will be in town. Nothing he does surprises me

Which one is Mikey Emma?

No doubt SP ...Jerry was Bruno's errand boy in the music and DJ world ,and other stuff . Then he was for Nick sr. and kicked up to nick the whole time Nick was down in AC but Nick knew how to use guys and make money with them.

Jerry's father was a gangster most don't know that ,this is why he has been accepted in that life and around Philly.His family goes back in that city like most of ours. I don't think Skinny knows how to use guys like him,but who knows.

One in middle standing straigh ahead with dark glasses...heavier than the others. He's lost some weight and has been clean and out of jail now for years. He still dabbles in that life a little though. He's been around a long time. I think they use to call him mikie eyes but don't qoute me on that. Is son is also mikie who is friends with Grande. He is a little younger then dom tho.he didn't grow up with him. Dom was always a 10th and orego n kid growing up and Emma didn't really have a corner or group he stayed with always. I dont know how they linked up but Dom started hanging more with the connected types of young hanger one in mid to late 20s

spmob, thanks for sharing about Mike Emma. That lead me to find some really old pictures of a teen age Steve Mazzone and a young Joe Mousey Massimino.. posting now!

Mikey Emma (Mousey Massiminos half brother) with Acting Boss Stevie Mazzone ! Very old picture!

Joseph "Mousie" Massimino

Philly Mafia Associate of Joey Merlinos, Anthony Accardo.

Mousie and his porn stasche looks like they are feeling nice

the feds don't even have to take pictures of the philly mob

i wouldn't be shocked if they ran an open air drug market

Is he active? The chart makers online have him down as a soldier, maybe he was one of the guys who Merlino proposed to Ligambi but he turned down and said make him when your out of prison?

Is marty angelina out?

Yes, think he's been out a few months.

Guarantee Marty ran to the nearest bar at the shore in Margate for a "pop" ASAP. He was probably DYING for a drink...

easy to stay drunk in jail.

Really? I would have thought booze was very difficult to get a hold of

they make it from fruit

Dante you and I would be still in bed at noon if we drank that "Hooch ! like we drink out here...

HAHAHA! I still haven't made it to Ventura's yet this summer, I need to get their for a beach day ASAP...love that place

somebody (or newspaper) must have pictures of Joey out-and-about this summer....page 6 gossip page, lol..

He is playing right into the peoples hands the want him to fail .

Not nearly as good as any drink from a bar though.

Cool old school pics. Glad I was able to help out a little

Thanks spmob!

Well did you hear about that Crum sonny mazzone beating up his wife inside Johnny's in Margate last weekend. He was all fucked up and with Merlino and crew and he beat the shit out of her. They have a son together and are still married but have been separated for around 10 years but not divorced and I am not sure why.They have both dated since being separated and as much as the hypocrite gave her problems he never went after a dude and don't believe ever hit her or at least not this serious. She is a very nice beautiful Italian American school teacher with a little edge of her own. Anyway she was leaving alone early in the night and he came out of nowhere and punched her. She tried to hold onto his shirt and when she did he repeatedly head bunted her breaking her nose in multiple spots and bruising her face. The best part...NOBODY stopped him or tried to help her. Nobody! I did hear Merlino said this wasn't the time or place earlier in the night when he was getting whacked and all of a sudden being jealous. It was said he looked like the devil was in his eye. Sonny has always been an Ass hole but to beat up a woman like that is ridiculous. And then he hid in the bathroom. He was only charged with simple assault and released with no bail.

No surprise joey did not break it up. That's disgusting to beat up a women like that in front of a group of people sick fuck

If you know the separated wife's name,please do not post guys. She has a son and is a teacher and is not impressed by that lifestyle. She just fell in love with an asshole...it happens

Probably thought he was some tough guy beating up a women in front of merlino trying to impress joey who probably loved it sick fuck he is and sonny is pussy. If they beat and kill each other up fine I don't care but beating up a moment who has no involvement in the life I find that disgusting but what can you expect from joey and his thugs.

I know the women ...not great friends or anything but I know her pretty well and is a good person. It's horrible. Someone should kill him. Her brother knows some crazy mother fuckers...mainly 10th Oregon. If they didn't have a kid together I wouldn't be surprise if they found him dead somewhere. But her brother who is a south Philly dude but very nice and respectable with a full time job but he wouldn't leave his,nephew without a father. If not for his nephew I really think he may have got what he deserved

That and Steve would of gone nuts but it's disgusting hopefully sonny gets in trouble about this I know joey won't do anything but what can you expect from joey he is basically a thug from the corner thats his mentality but if some guys complain who knows was steve there

everyone who was present that night who is in the philly fam should have stomped his ass out on site... then you remember 90 percent of them have no respect for their own wives, cheating and probably beating them behind closed doors.. so not surprising they let it happen

Seen a biker of a national ride snuff his wife in front of the bar but we all didn't see a thing.

Sounds like merlino is feeling more comfortable in philly

He is boss and has been in philly since got of parole if anyone buys the " he is retired" I don't know what to think he needs to be in Philly anyway not everyone likes him there and guys could take advantage of that

I cannot imagine a man punching his wife in the face unless she was attacking him with a hatchet.
Equally as fucked up is the fact that an alleged mob boss watches the whole thing and just sits there ???? I just cannot fathom that scenario.
Unless he walked outside after it happened and cops were on their way and he didnt want to be associated with it.

Now you know why the guys that were made when Nicky dr was boss wanted this guy hit . And it is still talked about . Phil L says every time he is interviewed !

. No doubt " The reason may be to get hold of what is slipping away . The guys that do not like the idea of him being boss or even being could be possibly building a following ,and that will not fair well for Skinnys plan !

it will be interesting wont be surprised if someone takes him out i mean the scarfo guys are ruthless the ligambi guys like steve but not sure if they would back joey and even joeys main crew marty, steve geogre and johnny i dont know geogre is close with the scarfo guys and we all know he is unhappy that johnny has the rackets he wants. Steve is joeys most important ally without steve no way joey could run the family

It was Sonny not Stevie. I just wanted to clarify. Also, I don't have Facebook and Margate police now release there arrests via some Margate police page. A friend of mine was arrested for something stupid down there and he told,me about it. They use to release the info once a week I think on Mondays, after the wknd of course, through a local newspaper. I am not sure if that paper still exists but I would imagine this Facebook page still does. Can someone check and post? I believe it happened around July 25th but I'm guessing as I'm not near a calendar. It was the weekend before this last one. So I would think it would be in this weeks report.

I don't believe Stevie would act in such manner.

sonny is a nobody he has been a hanger on for years only he would do this steve would not do this in public in front he only got made in 2011 because he is steves brother

20 years ago yes steve would now no

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=920411108020075&id=564350036959519&refid=17

There it is...

Tough couple weeks for Richard Blundo.

Fundo Blundo likes the ripple and lives by the motto "sometimes NO means YES"......... You go ricky blundo

Simple assault for beating the shit out of your wife in public?

Seems kind of light...and released on his own recog, im sure the Margate cops know who he is

Surprised they didnt slam the scum bag with a harsher charge

+1

I wish too but in Jersey they get out in a few hours. But,no bail? Simple assault? That's it. Not even a public drunkiness, some kind of low,level avoiding police cause of hiding...and i,guess they don't consider this a domestic charge? I,dont kno how those charges work.in only they would have broke his balls and be in there at least 48 hours esp on a weekend

Something I thought about. The woman's brother I mentioned who grew up around 10th and oregon is friends with Dom Grande. Going back decades 10th and Oregon,some of the guys, got a tatto that said "all for one" or some version of it usually on back and maybe arm I think. I'm getting off topic. But they were so close that the woman's brother and dom Grande and a few others got the same tattoo something like "crew love" when in their 20s along with the "all for one" My point being how close her brother is with Dom. I know they don't hang out like they use to but are still friends.Dom started hanging with the Young hanger ons and Her Brother is more of,a,chilled out homebody.if you think this post was pointless then ignore. I know some people have an issue when telling little shit like this or know or seen or,heard about s connected guy whether first or second hand. Can't find everything in print.I was just trying to show the,closeness I guess

It pisses me off that Dave stratweiser tweets everytime Merlino scratches his balls but no mention of the street bosses brother, a made member, beats the shit out of a woman. If he were reporting on sports and an athlete did the same thing it would be the top story. I understand sports is more popular but Dave reports on OC. He can't even mention this in one of his tweets. Even Scott B has a Merlino story today basicly about his comings and goings and even mentioned Margate but nothing about a woman getting abused by a mobster inside a bar full of people. Am I out there with this or do you all agree?

Spmob you're 100% right. Low life move hitting a woman. And it goes to show how much faith you can put in these "reporters". They can't report that for fear of losing a "source".

sounds like he doesn't give a fuck about dying in jail and neither do his cronies

they need to kick him outta town like chicago did giancana for the good of the whole family

@spmob- isn't Johnny's like kind of a nice place? Like sit down and eat kind of deal? I know you weren't there, but just picturing this Tina & Ike situation go down and it must have been quite the scene... For the normal customers especially!

See for yourself, if this is the place...

https://plus.google.com/104740974959126816211/about?gl=us&hl=en

Yes, it's a pretty nice and classy place. I've been there before, south philly people basically take it over though at times. The time I was there I was there in January to meet up with a south philly girl they had a DJ from south philly there and it was all south philly people there- in the dead of the winter (January)

At least I won the bet on the NFL playoff game I had some action on that time at Johnnys $$$$$$

Food is great there BTW...

You know you are getting old when the place where younger people are getting drunk at night , I am eating breakfast there first thing in am .

Lets not overreact fellas, let not pretend that some of the greatest bosses in lcn have put orders out to kill women, so lets not have a bleeding heart for a wont that gets slapped around a couple of times

No man should ever put his hands on a woman. So, the bleeding heart comment may be a little rough, especially on a message board where a number of women post. But, you are entitled to your opinion and I don't want to debate morals and ethics on a gangster website.

I do think that the general feeling of disbelief/outrage/headshaking at this act is completely overblown. These guys are career criminals. Any behavior outside of social norms should be expected from mob members.

If anything, let this dispell any rumors or ideas that these guys have a conscience. They would beat your mother if it meant a financial gain or street credit.

Too beat a women is disgusting but like I said before joey and those guys a thugs always have been and always will be they will never change its who they are

My point is, you guys glorify mob leader like paul rica and accardo but guess what, women have gotten killed on thier athority, slapping a women is wrong but its normal in the mob world,she will live

It was hardly slapping a women he battered her. I know that is normal in the mob world but it was the way he did it in front of a bar full of people in front of a load of mobsters in public that was the surprising part. Scarfo used to beat his goomarh Chicago but he would not do that in front of bar full of people that's my point

Ok, now i underderstand...you don't have a oroblem with a man lutting his hands on a women as long as its done behind closed door...you will respect the mobster more

We all have a mother and I don't think any of us would want that for her . I don't expect anything different from these guys(The worst kind of disrespect) . But the main thing is she is not in the "mob " !

Did I say that? Read my posts above i said how disgusting it is too hurt a women I said the part that is SUPRISING is that it was in a public place full of people. We all know that it is normal among these guys and it is disgusting


Why are you looking for trouble you have been reading this you have seen how disgusted I am

He didn't slap her for getting out of line or because she was in his face. She wasn't with him and she was about to leave when he came out of nowhere and closed fist punched her and then head hunted her in the face numerous times. She broke her nose and bruised up her face. This wasn't a drunk girl acting a fool and coming at the guy or any of those scenarios were you wanna act like it's ok to hit a woman. Its not and what he did was worse then Ray rice and others. They should blow him up pubicly. Not that all of south Philly doesn't probably already know but still. Make him think about it. What bout their kid. She has to tell him that daddy beat her up. Sonny is such an ass hole and always has been.I've never seen that dude even smile.

glad to you posting again SP. one of the true gentleman of the boards. I hope youre enjoying your summer.

karma is a bitch. All in due time for guys like that.

Probaly on film the state takes over gives him a year or too In the conuty plus extra year cause he's a made guy.

Guess you guys never heard of Ray Rice. Unless you shoot your girlfriend in NJ you're probably getting off light

The irony in all this is that 2 summers ago I was in Johnny's cafe when Joey Merlino was there. A fight broke out between a bunch of women involving the DJ there who is pretty popular in Philly and also a relative of Gaeton Lucibello. Philly people know the guy I speak of but I prefer to leave regular citizens names off here myself. Merlino must bring out the violence in people hah hah.

Yes he does and it may be a exciting time in Philly.
I said if he don't stay down there he is running this family ,and I never gave it a second thought really .

He will be here till Oct.Nov. and that is plenty of time for all this to shake out.

Just feel sorry for the people in his wake.I would not be upset if someone sets him straight !
But not nine lives Joey !

and joey has 2 daughters what if it was his daughter getting that done?

has anybody in mafia history survived more hits by dumb luck then merlino?

When the scarfo guys all went away, Joey and Mike where trying to take the street tax,but wernt made, if stanfa never made them, the philly mob might be extinct or alot different.

. NO

. Mike was the real deal,hands down . Now if he don't die Philly would be a better place for them all . Mike had a great head on his shoulders.

Maybe he didnt find out about it?

You could always tip him off if you wanted lol

Sonny mazzone will become capo very fast

Who"s crew is sonny in?

What?

They have enough captains.

Mikey Lance I think

He only got made in 2011 there are guys who are waiting for the chance for promotion guys like George borgesi.

Sonny is dumb he was always seen as a joke like anthony borgesi the only reason sonny got made was because of his brother it was his brother who made him from stanfa to merlino/natale to Joe ligambi no one would make him his own brother had to make him when he was in his late 40s no way he is getting the capo position plus like blackjack said they have enough capos plus the scarfo crews

as Rizzo would say...Sonny is a crum bum!

I have been busy . Has anyone herd if it was true that Skinny was there for this woman beating episode at Johnny's ?

Everything I have ever heard about Mikey has been along same lines, that he was last of dying breed and when that side lost him many expected that was it for that crew. Crazy how its played out over the years.

In the Philly family at least, not likely. Lucky to a fault (but not when gambling $$$), Joey always said he had the devil in him...Bobby Rego back in the 80s avoided being hit a number of times, though he was as much shrewd and cunning as lucky. He was a very interesting guy...and the South Philly Ventos in general (like Rego always on the LCN fringe while not officially made members) have been victim to a long and storied history of near misses, close calls, and botched ambushes.

I have always wondered if their fathers played a part in them doing that. Even after the demotion of Chuckie him and Chickie had more influence and clout in SP streets then Scarfo had from AC and down in FL from what I have heard because they were for years the faces seen in the streets then.

. You have it right ". And yes Chuckie had a lot to do with helping Skinny doing what he did . Before and after the take over . Skinny had no clue who was who out side of the 10 blocks around him. Chuckie supplied that information, and much more .

It was the tag team of Joey and Mikey that allowed them to be where they ended up today. And the fact that stands was an idiot when it came to American lcn. If it was just Joey from jump street he wouldn't have made it this far. The changs had way more respect

Isn't Sonny Mazzone acting for Staino?

Thank you for confirming my inquiries. Just makes sense obvious to anyone who knows about them that had Natale been their coach like he made himself seem they would have not have been successful or known where to go and who to see and what to expect. Also have heard few times that dating back to when chuckie was acting boss they did there thing, scarfo got envolopes but if u did something in SP those two were who u better clear it with or pay respects to.

then how did he become boss if he didn't know anybody?

Cook if you are speaking about my post I never said anybody !

And the other posts you put up there does not even have that word.
So don't put words in my mouth !!

It looks like you got it ass backwards again....

Merlino and his buddies are just the worst of the worst. The Philly guys seem to be more degenerate than the NY guys - if that is possible.

There is at least a semblance of decorum in the NY families.

Merlino, Mazzone, Borgesi.....

These guys are just too jocular to have powerful positions. Look at Nicodemo.

It's hard to believe these people would rise above soldier status anywhere else.

It may be changing with theses guys 30 years older .
But after last week down here , I don't think so .
Really most of them are growing up ...

It's because they took control of the family in there early 30s. Most guys aren't even made by then. They are all free and in there 50s now.

saw grande hanging out at a place in s philly after one of the games last week...didnt look like a dude in his 30s....tough livin

Is he a drinker/user?

You know I know very little about Philly. But if he's either a boozer or a drug user, that'll age you faster than anything else.

cant speak on the using part but allegedly he was the shooter on the hit that got niccodemo his 30 year sentence

I somewhat agree with that. Like someone else said they took over before most guys their age are even made . 90% of males who grew up in that time and took over way they did and have been as lucky as Skinny would act the same way and get involved in alot of same things. I agree you see and hear stories about them doing things and being involved ways you may not from hierarchy of the 5 new York families, but look at the time they came up how they did it and ultimately age they did it at. Put group of 20-30 something friends in that position this day and age, most would be the same way no matter where they may be from.

The last year i worked at Memories, had to be 9 years ago. That summer the bouncers threw out Sonny. He was getting very loud with his wife. I think they were not together anymore. I think her name is Gina. Very nice girl and very attractive. All of her friends were attractive too.

Go on the rare photos thread mate, Handsome Stevie posted a very recent photo of Dom, got grey hair and looks 45 at least

hahah thanks looked like him maybe a little more weight and it was after a phillies game so....

I remember that and was there for that one. Sonny is an asshole sober or drunk but worse drunk. He is one of
Those guys who you go to shake his hand just to say hi in passing and you will barely get out a hello from him. Ive seen him barely say hello to his wife's family/ friends. And if he was with someone he thought was special and/or you werent with anyone he thought was "special" he was even worse. Just an all around asshole in every sense.

Pure speculation, but I think he was feeling himself around that time. If memory serves me correct, I think he was making more money and had more responsibilities with his brother recently locked up. I thought. He was already made back then but i think I saw other reports to the contrary. That being said, does anyone know the true time, year or group he was made with? In south Philly It was assumed he was made before they got locied up 15 years or so ago

sonny is a crum bum

How can he be such an asshole? Where as his brother is well liked by multiple factions within the Philly family and is the acting boss. Talk about opposites.

Then again, also weird his brother or anyone else did not intervene and stop him from striking her in the first place

Sounds like Sonny might have never been made at all if it wasnt for his brother

At least everyone I heard from. But I also had heard that dom grande was made prior to what recent supports I've seen and also before the speculation in his involvement in the dipietro murder. Dom was always the casual to regular user of born but mainly booze and bud and then later the yizzo but I never heard that it was anything to worry about but that's not to say he doesn't have a problem. Back in the day I could remember seeing him out whacked on what I believe was booze. I've seen him like that a couple times but that was a long time ago now and normally like a wknd thing. He smoked so I thought drinking was wknd and bud during week type thing. But I have no real proof of that. I smoked with him twice though. Once on the corner with a bunch of people and the other time is the opposite of what I said but this was a really long time ago. Over 10 years but not 15 and it was after a bar AT the shore where we each had a friend living so we were both drunk and in early 20s. So that all means absolutely nothing. For all I know he could be jammed up on those roxi 30s like half of south Philly. As pizza says eve seen some people blow up from opiates and benzos depending. ..but Maude its stress from the murder thing or somepeope start not caring and are happy and done care. Maybe his been gray since his 20s and dyeing it lot and now his just eating real good. I guess I just wanted to point out there are a ton of options far his physical appearance. That proves nothing to me

Sorry for grammar and spelling i am getting use to this tablet and hard to go back and edit on this

Is the other Mazzone brother or his son involved in the life or legit?

Dave which Mazzone? If your talking about Anthony Mazzone , he is not made. Anthony Sr and Anthony JR are in a lot of the pictures I previously posted with Steve And Sonny but neither of them have anything to do with the mob as far as I know.

Yes, thanks.

they took over by default, no functioning family would have been taken over like that

the fact they take so many pictures is not only a disgrace to lcn but any criminal organization

they connect the dots for the fbi

Good , old article I found about Joey and his crew:

http://www.bettorsworld.com/web/forums/a...4afb7f633c12d84

Another one:

http://articles.philly.com/2001-06-20/news/25322856_1_bookmaking-operation-gambling-records-mob-boss

Enjoy guys:

http://citypaper.net/articles/070501/news.mob.shtml

Another gambling pinch article:

http://articles.philly.com/2004-07-11/ne...tting-operation

Horse head Scafidi in city paper:

http://citypaper.net/articles/050301/news.mob.shtml

God, Merlino sounds like such a cheap fuck. He really sounds like a horrible person, even for a mobster.

I seen that picture of Dom. He looks his age. He's not a celebrity so he's not going to get botoxed.

I saw a instragram pic of chickie Chang with Johnny Chang at chickie & petes. The father looks great. Maybe handsome Steve has it and will post it.

flamingo- do you remember the user name from instagram where you saw the pic? or how long ago it was?

Yeah I saw it as well. He actually looks like way better than I expected. Almost looks like he could be in his 60-70s! His involvement actually kind of makes sense now simply based on the fact that he looks pretty healthy.

stevie check your pm.

The Chang Sr pictures popped up on facebook yesterday. He looks great for somebody in his 80's that also spent over 30 in the can. He has that big smile I remembered of him back in the day which in the few pictures around of him back in the 80's isn't really seen.

I haven't seen any pictures at all of George Borgesi since his release aside from the one with his wife upon his release. I'm not big on the social media aside from using facebook so he seems to be a lot smarter than the rest of the guys who if they don't have pages (Merlino) close relatives and friends heavily include them and photos surface. His wife don't have one like Cathy Chang or Wagners wife and as far as I know his brother Anthony does not also.

Thank god we have the Phili guys...

Cuz I don't think we are gonna see any pics of the Gambino and Genovese hierarchies popping up on instagram any time soon.

What influence does scarfo sr still have over guys like phil narducci and joey pung? Do anyone from the streets still keep in touch with scarfo sr?

Anyone get the photo of Chickie?

I'd like to see how prison treated him

Jawon and Omar treated him real well. He ain't gonna be able to sit down for a while though. You dig?

Lol

lol @ moe... and i tried to get the picture but the accounts that flamingo told to me check are both private so i cant access them... and southphilly4ever- borgesi wife alyson has an account but her page is private for both.. if anyone can get the picture all you have to do is save it to your computer and then post it on here.

I heard that Joe Grande kept in close touch with Scarfo after they were all convicted in '89. Leonetti also said that Joe Grande and Nicky Sr would correspond via letters in prison back and forth frequently and Grande would also write to Katherine Scarfo (Nicky Sr's mom) before she passed away. I think I heard, but am not positive, that when Joe Grande got out of jail he sent him with the North Jersey crew so he could keep close tabs on him via Scoops who he trusted to see where his loyalties truly lied and make sure he was on board with the new regime and not still loyal to Scarfo. But I don't know how accurate that last part is because I think I heard that part about being sent to N. jersey crew from this message board. But it would make sense... Anyone know if Joe Grande was or is still in fact in North Jersey operating with that crew? Or is he back in South Philly? Don't hear much about him either. I'm dying to know what's going on with all of the Scarfo era guys who are back on the streets. I have the Chickie pic also and can post just need to figure out how to I've never posted pics on here. I also have some recent pics of Joe Punge and the Blond Babe as well before he passed away.

don't know if anyone can elaborate on this but I thought it was kind of strange... that joe perna talks and hangs out with ray wags.. I heard merlino and perna are buddies but still just seems odd.. a north jersey lucchese and merlinos "bag man" from south philly.

@dsbaloo - I actually brought this up recently and asked what the relationship was all about and where it originated from and to what extent they were involved with each other, etc in a recent thread and there were a couple good responses. Go to Page 1 of the 'Gigante Contract on Joey Merlino' thread and search for Perna (I posted the first question so go from there). But yeah, any other insight would be very interesting to me as well as there is definitely a relationship there. As I stated before, it's even more interesting given the Nicky Jr/Lucchese - Merlino/Philly Family dynamic...

Above : Some of this may be what Nicky sr is talking about in the letters he sent Jr. and telephone conversations .

The fact that Skinny was not hit years past may have something to do with the rules LCN and this situation.

Just may have to wait for a rat in the NJ Lukes to popup !

Is anyone able to post the picture of Chickie?

I'd love to update his picture on the Philly chart with a more recent one, instead of the one that I have from 30+ years ago. Same thing with Joey Pung - everything I could find was all from the 80's.

Does anyone know who is the black muslim guy that was escorting merlino to all of his court apearences is?

bigfella- is there any pictures of joey with the muslim guy?

hey everyone i just posted 7 new philly photos in the rare picture thread.... 4 of soldier Dame canalichio, one of mazzone, one of chang n wags, and one of Anthony Pungitore Sr... has anyone got that new picture of Chickie Chang? been waiting almost a week to see it!

haha check out this article i just found from 1997

Reputed Fashion Boss Another Clothes Call For Joey Merlino
by Theresa Conroy, Daily News Staff Writer
Posted: March 06, 1997

This is the New Mob - la clothestree nostra.

The new look, which made a dashing appearance in the spectators' seats at the recent retrial of old mobsters Nicky Scarfo and friends, does not go in for the traditional white ties with black shirts. It doesn't favor the old family's look of overly pleated pants, flashy double-breasted suits or soft-sided Italian loafers.

And it wouldn't be caught dead in one of those nylon warm-up suits, the outfit known by mob-watching cops as ``the South Philly tuxedo.''

No, not under the watch of Joey Merlino, the reputed mob underboss with the undisputed sense of style.

When the occasion calls for a suit, Merlino often passes up the Las Vegas look for a sleek, three-button, single-breasted Versace. This would be appropriate attire, for, say, his daughter Nicole's recent christening party, or one of his own court appearances.

For a more casual look - to attend somebody else's trial, for instance - Merlino grabs that incredible black leather jacket, a zip-front mock turtleneck and a pair of $150 cream-colored jeans.

Indeed, the clothes made this man.

``Some of it has to do with what he buys, but a lot has to do with how he wears it,'' said Merlino's lawyer, Joseph Santaguida, who declined to allow a reporter to go shopping with Merlino.

One of the fashion plate's favorite stores is Allure, an exclusive boutique. When Merlino stops in at the store, at 1509 Walnut St., it's a ``contemporary sportswear look'' he's after, said store owner Robert Palidora.

``He's thin, he's got the nice build to wear this sort of merchandise,'' Palidora said, ``That's all part of why all this hoopla around this guy - he's a handsome person with absolute style.''

Merlino's style veers drastically from the old guard's - the shiny fabrics and flashy cuts favored by former reputed mob bosses, such as our own Nicky Scarfo and New York's John Gotti.

Palidora and Santaguida credit part of Merlino's flair to his age and natural good looks.

``He just looks good in clothes,'' said Santaguida, who admits to keeping a close watch on Merlino's outfits. ``He could wear a T-shirt and look well in it. Some people have it, and some people don't.''

Merlino has it, and alleged mob member George Borgesi - with his Phillies cap, jeans and Members Only-style jacket - does not. Neither does admitted-mobster-turned-informant Tommy DelGiorno, the king of the cheesy athletic warm-up.

Merlino ``has a feel for what is nice,'' Santaguida said.

He also takes direction from the clothing pros, Palidora said. When Merlino shops, Palidora said, he usually is drawn to the styles that look good on him, but also allows the sales staff to choose outfits for him.

``He listens to what people tell him and he's open to trying different things,'' Palidora said. ``If you shop in a store like ours, that's what we're here to do, help the person achieve that look, instead of just sell them things.

I Understand why people would call Wags joey's bag man/body guard and what not. But I think if you ask the guys from around the city you would see he is more than a bag man and is more respected than most would think.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/tag/joey-merlino/feed/

The muslim shows up at the 120 and 130 mark in rhe video

Thats a bad link, i have the picture but having problems posting it

Chick and Joe Pung in rare photos now...

Chickie was around with Blavett's father . Jerry loves being around these guys . He is not a gangster like his old man ,but at least Chickie is giving him the respect for doing Business with his old man and letting him hang around .

Here are the pictures. I have no idea who he is.

Dont him and his brother allegedly have a good book running down there?

Allegedly yes. The Wagners are trusted by Joey,low key, and their names don't end in a vowel. This makes them perfect choices to "visit" with skinny, without feds being all the way up their ass, just half way.

Yeah Eddie Wagner has a big book and Ray is involved too. Wagner is also related directly to Lucibello on Mom's side. He is more than a bag man but yeah I understand why people say that. More importantly more than the Muslim guy is the other white guy (not RayWags) that's with Joey in that pic outside of the courthouse. He's connected but I haven't been able to quite put a finger on what his role/position is? Anyone know? I think he's someone you should keep an eye out for....

Detective Medavoy in the 2nd pic with Merlino

dsbaloo : You don't have much to say today !

I mean, his primary and most important role is as Joey's bag man though

And trust me, the feds know about Ray Wags and have known about him for years. The feds aint looking any less because of a lack of vowels when it comes to his last name when it involves Merlino

Think they are finally growing up . Keeping things to a low roar. Well this is as low as Skinny can go ,but not bad .

I think it was Pmac said been 15 years since someone rolled and it was horse Head and they were smart there he did not know much.

Look how good Lance is doing ,unheard of ! in Philly .

Lance is a stand out among the rest. It almost seems impossible to do what he is doing.

Don't give skinny too much credit for being low key yet...he is going back to Philly more and more since the restrictions are up

It seems like if it wasnt for Mazzone skinny might be in trouble.

Random thought. Scoops is the smartest guy in the philly mob, even though he is a jersey guy

You know this all got me thinking.Philly never had a NY style family till Bruno.
My father told me each town had there own boss,and those bosses came from NY guys or family for the most part ,like all of us down here.

I would not doubt that there may be a chance that there is NOT a structure like under Bruno and Scarfo ,Christ they did not really kick up till Nicky Scarfo started a New York style family.

Is it possible that with all the different guys that they have gone back to this ?

My father and uncles told me all this stuff over the years and I never gave it a second thought till now with all the" chiefs "

It may be a thought if we have any real researchers here that know the set up from back in the day.
They all just checked back with blood back in New York...

Philly had a boss and north and west had a boss and in Jersey the little towns had a boss of course AC did Johnson and others.
I just don't see how all the different factions are working together with bad blood . This may have something to do with it .
We all know that these guys don't care about the rules and wouldn't be funny if all the charts are totally wrong !

Is the muslim connected to the black mafia(if they still exist)

Are you referring to JBM that Skinny and Mikey had dealings with in late 80's? I am not sure who that guy is but I guess could possibly be an old friend. I thought most of JBM guys from then were dead or locked away, but its possible. No one else has any idea who he was may just be a hired body guard paid by Stein with no Philly connections.

I don't buy that, why have a connected mob guy by your side when your trying to prove you left the mob, if thats the case he could have hired 2 bodyguards

Thats funny , If he wants us to believe he is out of the life . He can stay at his business 16hrs a day like it takes to run a business and stop spending 300,000.00 a year running around.

Most know that the business he is in you dont make money for a couple years.Him and his family are jetting all over the country and not staying with his aunt Millie ,he is staying at the best hotels and eating at the best restaurants and not at his own.....

You can see a very young Joey Merlino milling around news cameras briefly at the 10:46-10:52 mark. Just thought it was interesting to see him during Scarfo's reign and knowing what his life would go on to be like. Maybe most of you have seen this.

You can bet your ass that Skinny thought his dad was going to be boss ,and when they got off they were all in shock.

Phil misses the life so bad,I don't know how he has done it .

Funny that Skinny was calling jr everyday to hang out ,jr would let him bring all his friends and make a ass out of the whole neighborhood and jr. still stayed his friend.

LOL at Phil's disguise. You have to be kidding me. Oh my God.

No one will ever suspect that is not real.

Yea just like his "Facial Reconstruction" he got a face lift and a nose job on our taxis..

I am telling you Phil has always come out golden ,everything he did he came out on top .

School, women , mob ,looks,and now ,I bet he is doing good real good $$$ always...

Hah yeah comical and you know the Feds are getting pissed. Love how he says he's not involved but hasn't done anything to show he is able to live like that. I've heard some people say he's living off hidden millions from Chuckie's says at Nat Nat and UNderboss for Scarfo. Does anyone think that it's actually possible that he ever had access to or ever actually was able to live off that? I can't imagine he was able to save anything Chuckie set aside for him plus I've gotta believe a lot that would have gone to his sisters and Rita but I had to ask anyways just for the sake of conversation people thought of that in terms of plausibility and if so how long it lasted?

Trials eat all money up ! Like you said there were others in the family that had to eat.

I know the sister married up but she would in no way carry Skinny to long . The chance she would risk anything that would hurt her husband is out if the question .

Nat Nat did well but they ate that up .At the end I dont like to say this but the last night I ever seen Yogi he borrowed money.

I am so glad his boys and wife built a great business cos they went through hell with Yogi . He had a house for them but lived down with us.
You guys do know that Yogi's wife offered Skinny a job when he was down and out ,he intern tries to extort her and the boys.
They are doing great now and through the best party's.

joey tried to to exotrt his uncles own wife jesus. What was lawrences relationship with joey like i always wonder and i wonder how joey and chuckie felt about yogi when he flipped chuckie must have been heartbroken

" Yes " Yogi spent his time saying, I know" but it's my brothers kid".

Supposedly he is on the west coast out in Cali, thought I saw that somewhere

Wonder what he is doing to make money legally or if he is going off the money he robbed from his uncle and fed money

Since this thread is dying down... Here's one for you guys... What do you all know about Skinny Joey having a third daughter?

Joey Pung

Hey PHL where you getting these pics of punge? or is it a secret? I have been searching for a couple years since he was released from prison to find a picture and couldnt. yet i can find pictures of just about anyone else.. Also still havent been able to find a pic of Soldier Eric Esposito, and ive been searching since May 2011 when uncle joe and all them got indicted...

PHL- that bald white guy with the beard that you think is connected happens to be a reporter. i have seen other pictures with him before.. ill post one now

here he is again n this is when uncle joe got released

No not him... I know who William Bender is and what he looks like... Other guy with Ray Wags I'll try and grab a snap of him in another frame. He is very clearly with Joey going to and from court with Ray Wags and the Muslim guy, but shorter so probably less noticeable.

This one is interesting on multiple levels... Few of Merlino's FL guys, Skinny, Dom Grande

PHL MOB : Skinny is out of the life , just a hard working owner of a busy restaurant . What do you think .

Gotcha.. maybe the guy your talking about could be Stan Stein, joeys rich buddy. Nice find with the picture too bud

Merlino and Mazzone hanging together last night at chickie's and Pete's.

sometimes the king gotta come see what is his.

That Chickie's and Pete's in South Philly is great.

So many good times and memories there whenever we go to a sporting event in Philly we make sure to stop in at the South Philly Chickie's and Pete's. I have even been to the original Chickie's and Pete's in the Northeast, its basically a typical Philly corner bar. Philadium Tavern in South Philly is great too, does anyone (I'm asking you Philly guys here) know if it opened back up?

And merlino probaly had a sit down with narducci and pung already...i don't believe for one minute that thier operating independently

i was at chickie n petes last week in s philly love that place and the crab fries we had the sweet potato w syrup too..funny thing i was getting something out of the car and the lottery stand there was closing down and dude shuts door a black caddy rolls up guy hands paper bag to guy in car and leaves... could have been cigs or something but i dunno it was weird and cianglinis wife owns the stand... but it could have been nothing

Strip away the glamour - that some people perpetuate - and the Philly administration are little better than gangbangers.

And merlino, would it be a surprise if Ciancaglini's wife was directly involved in his criminal enterprises?

A lot of the women in this life aren't shrinking violets. They are as bad as the men.

Edit: Crab fries? Where have you been all my life.

Johnny Chang's wife bartends at the South Philly Chickie's and Pete's. She's hard working, not in the life, and seems like a very nice person from the few times she was my barmaid at that Chickie's and Pete's in South Philly.

your right, Kathy Chang is a very nice and good person.

they seem to operate like a gang, especially with their recent dunce cap hit

the city of philly is one of the poorer big cities in the country

they don't have a lot of avenues of making income illegal or legal

johnny chang has been using the lottery stand as a way to launder money its in kathys name. surveillance saw mikey lance and lucebliio meeting johnny chang there


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4HJEq3nwY

(watch it a interesting)

Stevie, here is the only picture I have (and could ever find) for Eric Esposito. He's scheduled to be released from prison next May.

First, you know that video is at least several years old, right? I could be wrong, but I think that's from before Ligambi got indicted in May 2011. And it's not surveillance video, it was Dave Scratwieser's camera crew from Fox 29; Dave even tried to interview him towards the end.

And where do you get that he is using the lottery stand to launder money? Nobody in the clip ever said that or even remotely speculated about that.

it was the fox 29 crew but they turned it over to the FBI who now have permission to use it in a indicment like the ligambi and lou meeting was used in court that was done by fox 29



come on he has to prove how he is earning true lottery stands bring in money but not the sort of money he makes

johnny chang is a major earner

No. The Ligambi/Monacello video actually was Philly PD or FBI surveillance, not from Fox 29.

I know Johnny Chang is a big earner; where did I say he wasn't? He has always been one of the best earners around the upper echelon of the family for quite some time now. He earns well because he controls all of the gambling and loan sharking in Delaware County on top of whatever other rackets he has going.

His wife owns the news stand, and I think Johnny worked there just to show some sort of "regular job" during the day and to have a place where he could have people come by to meet and talk. I understand what you're trying to say about the news stand, but it's not laundering money, and there's no proof that he was doing so. Most likely he and his wife use it for tax purposes to show legitimate income.

K1ng- nice find on the Esposito picture.. Where did you find it if you dont mind me asking? I have been searching for over 3 years and i find a lot of pictures!! And are you 100% that it is Eric Esposito that was indicted with Uncle Joe and them back in 2011?

Little off topic but I want people's opinion on this was just thinking to myself what if Joey and Mike and the rest of the young guys fell in line and did as they were supposed in the early 90s with Stanfa would they have still been made as quickly, would they have been indicted with Stanfa and gotten life terms with all those guys? Did going rougue actually allow them to disassociate themselves with Stanfa and allow them to stay on streets longer? Basically, if they fell in line would they still have dodged the Stanfa indictment and taken over the family anyways like they did in '94 except minus all the bloodshed and losing Mikey Chang, etc? It seems to me, and this can most certainly be argued, that had Stanfa stayed on the streets another year or two Joey and those guys would most likely have been killed eventually. The timing of that indictment was pretty lucky and I just think it's funny when people and even those guys say "oh we fought and won for this family"... No the Feds essentially gave it to you on a silver platter.

I would think Stanfa would want as many level headed guys ,and earners also .
Now he was around New York for some time and he was in Philly for some time.
It would make sense that he would take the under bosses son and a skippers sons in.

Plus that would plug him into the guys that wanted the life from the hood.

As far as the indictments I would think that whom ever left standing under him would get the family the way they like things to go.
So Skinny and Mike I am sure would have been there if not in the indictment.

Merlino at memories last night.

Skinny Joey must be personally getting the envelopes from the Geator these days it seems....

Perhaps you're right, but the mob talk video on youtube with Anastasia, states that it was Fox 29 who filmed that meeting, and that the FBI sent a subpoena to Fox for that video.

He is back in the loop,he was at the Nuggett the other night with a couple of the old AC guys.

I know he doing a show there soon ,but this was pleasure.
He was asked to sit in the pavilion at the concert the other night ,don't know if he took up the offer I did not see him.