Gigante Arrest 25 yrs. Ago - NY Daily News

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/vi...ticle-1.2229489

That was probaly gotti greatest day as boss. He must have really. Even feeling himself. With chin gone everyone thinks no bail. Whose gonna get in johns way. Vic n gas are running. I wonder if there was a party. That be good question for scars to talk about. The boy in the striped pajamas sad fucking movie its what chins wearing under the rob. Taking break cutting bushes its hot. Field of dreams is on really making me feel old I didn't even remember henry hill is in it.

Meanwhile, as it happened, Chin was released, got adjournment after adjournment, psych test after psych test, and had another seven years on the street. Gotti had another seven months.

I hope John enjoyed May to December of 1990, because it was the last time he ever really saw the light of day. And if Chin didn't die, he had a shot at coming home one day. John had no shot at all.

But Chin and Gotti were apples and oranges. The comparisons are ridiculous. Chin had a thirty-five year run as skipper, then boss. Gotti had five years at the top, and spent almost two of them in lock-up awaiting trial on the RICO and O'Connor cases.

It's funny hearing the old wiretaps of gotti talking about how he would rather spend his whole life in jail rather than living like Chin was with his fake mental illness. Welp, he got his wish. Now he is a joke among people who know the mob, but at least a bunch of 14 year old suburban punks have a gotti poster on their wall. I guess that counts for something....

John willed it to happen. It's almost like he wanted it. He had this weird thing where he wanted everyone to know he was a gangster. Ego.

For all the "shitheads" in that life, a couple guys got it ,and he got it ...

And I don't mean John !

That was always more prevalent in Brooklyn and Southern Queens than in Manhattan and the Bronx. They liked to wear it on their sleeve a little more out that way

Don't get me wrong, there were flashy guys here, too. That's not my point. But as a whole, they really seemed to like the attention a little more out in Brooklyn than in Harlem, Little Italy and the Bronx. Different schools.

Wait, so gigante was arrested in '90 and they let him out? For seven years?? I feel like that would never happen today.

Well, he had everyone so fooled that he was nuts he avoided trial for 7 years.

Nice article thanks

And like I said, he had a livable release date, unlike Gotti. That he died in prison is irelevant.

He avoided trial longer than that. His crazy act kept him on the street for decades, even back in the early 1970's when he was a captain. He might very well have ended up in the Commission case otherwise and been imprisoned in the mid-1980's. It took the feds until 1990 to indict him and 7 more years after that to convict him.

I don't care what anyone says, Gigante was a smart MF'er pulling off that act. Like has been said, that kept him on the start for a long time. Hell I would have done the same if I was in his shoes.

You can either go the flashy route like Gotti and only make it a few years after becoming boss, or acting crazy while only in public and make it a long time after becoming boss. I say a long time but I'm not sure when he became boss so I can't say. Gotti can say he looked stupid trying the crazy act, but that crazy act worked yet Gotti's "I'll sever your MF'ing head off" act had him locked up pretty quick.

It seems to be the general consensus that Chin was smart. Gravano wrote in his book that Gotti himself said Chin was "smart as a fox" after their Commission meeting. Several FBI agents, NYPD detectives, and prosecutors even had a grudging respect for Chin's ability as boss, as well as his success in eluding them for so long. Probably the only guy who would take exception would be Casso who was pissed at Chin for not taking his advice to kill Savino.

But, even taking that costly screw up into consideration, it doesn't change the overall picture of Chin's remarkable success as boss of the family. He took over in 1981 - just as the feds started to go hard against the Mafia. And he lasted for 16 years during the mob-busting 1980's and 1990's until they were finally able to put him behind bars. To this day the feds still largely credit the Genovese family's ongoing secrecy and success to Chin, including his ability to choose and promote loyal captains. Guys who would eventually take after he stepped back to a degree after his 1990 indictment, his imprisonment in 1997, and after his death in 2005.

Looking back, his ability to not be indicted in the Commission case and remain on the street was crucial. Many look at the Commission case as a watershed moment for the crusade against the mob. Capable, sophisticated, and experienced old time bosses were imprisoned (or killed in Castellano's case) and replaced by less capable successors who's leadership (or lack thereof) led to guys flipping, internal fighting, and more indictments. But much of this didn't happen in the Genovese family. If you look back at articles in the 1990's, the Genovese are often described as maintaining their strength and position while the other families were declining to one degree or another. And even when the feds had success and were able to indict top Genovese guys, they were the first to almost automatically cut their losses by taking plea deals. And the more secretive, sophisticated, and capable organization and members the family had allowed it to weather repeated onslaughts by law enforcement better than the other families.

I still have the VHS tape i used to record the special channel 5 news had with these busts..Of course they focused on Gigante, had a reporter on Sullivan St. interviewed a couple of neighbors etc...It was a good special..Mcdonald the prosecutor and William Bastone were the guests...Good stuff !!

I read on here, someone wrote quiet Dom is running things? Then again I also read he has retired

He's out, except for some trucking in Jersey and his old shy book, which are both in the hands of one of his closest friends. The guy never leaves home anymore. Case closed.

Until further info comes out, we're left to speculate about the top Genovese leadership at this point.

In 2009 it was reported the family was being run by a "rotating panel" of recently released members including Benny Mangano, Ernie Muscarella, Barney Bellomo, and Larry Dentico.

In 2011, it was reported that Tino Fiumara had been on a 3 man panel running the family before his death. The other 2 guys weren't mentioned.

In 2014, it was reported the family still likely uses a rotating panel of leaders to run day-to-day affairs to avoid any one boss from being targeted by prosecutors.

Well put ivy

can i put this out there i was always a bit concerned why gotti was not killed for taking out a boss he did not have the ok i think, but what if he made a deal that fitted with his ego to become the lighting rod just a thought

What do you mean? He was the real target when Frankie DeCicco got blown up. And if he wasn't tipped by the Feds, the Manna plot probably would have worked.

They plotted to kill him at least twice. The idea that he agreed to be the lightning rod--with his ego, and after at least two attempts on his life--isn't remotely possible.

And that's no offense to you, Lefty. I think you're a quality poster who never makes any trouble here .

Like I posted at the start of this thread . There are many guys in that life and only a very small amount get it " The Chin got it "

He knew there was a billion dollars and three hundred men and women trying to take down 7 guys in that life.

With odds like that he knew he better act crazy..and keep his name out of everyone mouth.


If each family had a guy like him at the top things would have been different.....

Most people that just read about this stuff have no clue how much work and smarts and complete dedication it demands .

If not you wind up dead in the street...or worse in prison for 40 years...

Seems chins capos were more relaxed then the blood thirsty fellow capos in the other families. More about the money. Chin killed a lot but he's guys are still in charge today were gottis all been forgotten. Its funny that Benny eggs still had say after release up to a few years ago so old did 15 years. That rotating panel works. Keeps everyone ego in place I wonder if its a rule every 365 new guys. Some go back to semi retirement upon a call. Game of thrones was fucking great last night

Spot-fucking-on.

And that's no offense to anyone. You can't help where you were born. But there are certain aspects of the life that you can't completely grasp unless you grew up around it. And we have a lot of great researchers here. You guys know who you are and you're all my friends. So please don't take offense. When it comes to the actual history of LCN in America, you boys know more than I do. I know what I know due to certain circumstances, and I don't care what happened in 1930. You guys are invaluable when it comes to providing that stuff, and we're all grateful for it.

But when it comes to the actual mindset of these guys, I'm sorry, if you didn't come up around them, you'll never completely "get it," and you can't tell me what actually "drives" these guys.

Well said Serp. We don't always agree but lately,you've been making sense.

He had the drop on him showing up and played it perfectly. He could have also been called to testify I imagine.

They ever come out with a capo chart for chin like gotti had his 21? Fish cafaro must have I'd them all wonder how many and who. The capo running mass/ct 1990 was one of the scibelli brothers there crew one of so many was big. 10 made guys and a lot of associates.

I knew you cared ...

Anyway were have you been ,don't see you posting much ?
And just look at your avatar you are fading away ..lol

PB thanks I did not mean to offend anyone(and I know you did not mean it like that) ,dam I don't or could not find a dam thing like these researchers here .
I also know not everyone grew up in these city's that have been known for OC .
I thank them cos it sure makes it a better read when they are able to make sense out of what I post...

Bunch of good posters here ,thanks all...

lol gotti was such a joker

I don't know about irrelevant. Both died in prison. Not like Gigante died in his own bed or anything.

Not that I am comparing the guys, obviously there is a big gap in leadership ability and smarts.

Fair enough, but you obviously get my point because of the way you phrased the last sentence of your post.

Yes, I do in the point of he was a much better boss than Gotti. But was pointing out the measuring stick of some people and a boss as dying in their own bed. Not that it is my measuring stick lol.

However, I do give Gotti more credit than most.

Guy did what he had to do(kill or be killed), made the best out of his situation that he could, did what he wanted to do, knew one day he was probably getting life and was willing to accept it. Did his time. Never apologized or cried in court like some guys. Or flip.

The guy died for what he believed in, and whether you liked him or not, no one can take that away from him. Ever. But too many of his problems were of his own making. I guess that's as close to a compromise as we'll come on Gotti (and Merlino, too ).

You know me. I'm older and cranky, and being so out front the way that brand of street guy is/was (Gotti, Merlino, et al.), just isn't my cup of tea. I grew up in a neighborhood and in an era where there were Skippers who went to their graves completely unrecognized by the Feds and by LE in general. And to me, THAT'S Cosa Nostra.

But you and I are on the same page 90 percent of the time, and you're one of the guys at RD that I can always count on to speak the truth when the occasional bullshit pops up. You're a good guy (but keep in mind that I just drank a bottle and a half of Ruffino Riserva Ducale with dinner ).

I don't really disagree with any of your Gotti points.

You are right. Going to their graves without being recognized is Cosa Nostra. But has not really been a reasonable possibility for the last what...10-20 years? And especially these days.

Merlino just intrigues the fuck out of me and his personality and attitude about everything is interesting.

And he is a little brighter than he gets credit for. Guy might as well live a little with the feds so far up his ass he can taste brylcreem

Ya know PB...YOU'RE A FUNNY GUY

By the way, I was down south for the first time last week, southern GA in Tybee Island.

Beats the hell out of being around Baltimore.

I can't even imagine what it's like for the poor working guy (just an expression, by "poor" I certainly don't mean financially) trying to get around that town in light of recent events. It's a fucked up situation all the way around.

These riots are going to get worse and more widespread. Murder is up in New York City for the first time in years. There was a Black woman on television yesterday who just lost her son to gun violence BEGGING the Mayor to bring back "stop and frisk." And she was no shill, either. She was hysterical and shaking like a leaf.

What's hysterical is, the very Lily-White hipsters, living here on Mommy and Daddy's dime, who protested recent events with the mock outrage that only the young and naive can muster, will be the first to run away when the crime rate hits the roof again. It will be back to Ohio in a heartbeat. And it's just a matter of time as long as de Blasio is in office.

Did you see the sick milestone Baltimore reached last month with over 100 shootings and 42 murders? Ridiculous.

And the Police are backing off big time because thats what the people wanted.

So they are going "by the book" and not being proactive. Probably fueling and making things worse.

The son of the guy who started the whole "stop snitchin" campaign(who no surprise is in prison for life) was killed last Sunday in one of the last murders. Shot at a BBQ I believe. They dont give a damn around there.

I had a big work event at the Baltimore Convention Center during that shit that a lot of time and money went into and nobody wanted to come and it was canceled because the venue was not safe.

Nooo, please no politics lol.

You're right im a hypocrite because im tired of it myself, but its tough to ignore especially when you live around the thick of it.

I just like when you guys talk about the mafia more. That's all

Understandable. It's a mafia board.

Sometimes things get sidetracked.

Back on track. How much can I get for my Gotti vs Chin Bobbleheads on Ebay?

Nah don't get me wrong. You and PB are smart people.

But sometimes these things devolve and... bleh.

I think by the time he got to. .. "and I want respect"... he was done for...

In the end you have to blame the people in the city and state. I mean, these are the same idiots who chose Hillary Clinton as their senator for God's sake. The collective IQ of NY must be hovering around 60-65.

(Present company except, of course, PB)

If you ever want to get real fired up go to gawker.com and read some of their articles. I mean they are pretty open about having a liberal bias but it's still insane. The articles and the comments on there are just out of this world.

They just disagree with you. Just like 90% of the comments here are conservative and they'd surely think you guys are nuts.

People believe certain things and then surround themselves with information that reinforces those beliefs.

I'm firmly in the middle. By no means am I a right wing nut. I actually think the GOP has their heads up their asses right now and I am pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, etc but still identify as a conservative. Also, I think the right wing news outlets are just as bad.

You don't need to be a right wing nut to see PB's making a good point.

Anyway, back to LCN....

There are clearly more conservatives here lately, but five or ten years ago it was the exact opposite. But 90 percent? That's ridiculous. It's more like 65/35. But like most suburban reared liberals, you see conservative boogeymen everywhere.


That works both ways, and you know it.

All I know is the conservatives on this site call me a liberal and the liberals on this site call me a conservative. And that suits me just fine. It means that I fall somewhere in the middle. Slightly left here, slightly right there. Because in my opinion, the craziest political position you can take in this world is towing the party line straight across the board.

I was a registered Democrat for over thirty years--longer than you've been alive. But I never in my life voted for a candidate just because he or she had a (D) next to their name. I always voted for the person who I thought was the better candidate. And today I'm obviously a very jaded Independent.

And you know I like you a lot, so don't get your panties in a twist .

no worries just seemed a bit funny to me that he did not get got, he couldn't do much worse could he and to leave him there with only 2 attempts. Maybe he didn't agree per se but it must have crossed peoples minds that he it taking all of the heat with that ego and we can leave him alone earn and the government will get him sooner or later. The other bosses must have known the attention he was attracting he must have been at arms length. Pizza let me know what you think or am i overthinking this shit.

Yeah, PB, 90% was an exaggeration. Who knows what the exact number is?

I also don't vote for Dems, in fact, I can't stand most Dems. Republicans and Dems are remarkably similar save a few issues.

And last thing, yes, surrounding yourself in an echo chamber absolutely works both ways. It's human nature... Facebook, twitter, blogs, they are all going to feed you into similar themed publications. Especially Facebook, which is the worst place for politics to ever exist... right before TV. More importantly, people like to read things that reinforce their beliefs. Even when presented with evidence that contradicts something a person staunchly believes in, they will often ignore it or think of rationalizations of why it doesn't matter.

But, damn it, I wanted to stay away from politics. Guess that was my fault.

This is me....

"Esta usted en territorio Zapatista en rebeldia. Aqui manda el pueblo y el gobierno obedece" -



You are in Zapatista rebel territory. Here the people give the orders and the government obeys.

Don't lie, all union workers are told who to vote for. Just kidding. Don't get your thong in a bunch you sexy bitch.

You're overthinking it. Gravano's testimony put dozens of guys away, not just Gotti. The government used that slimeball for ten years, right up until he got himself locked up again. That none of the convictions were overturned after the Ecstasy thing boggles the mind.

And you look at poor Frankie LoCascio. The poor bastard is rotting in jail for the past 25 years for sitting on the wrong couch while Gotti rambled on and on just to hear himself talk. They convicted him for saying the occasional "yeah" and "okay" just to appease his egomaniacal boss.

I mean, the guy was a gangster for 60 years. Let's not act like he was innocent. He might have been unlucky, but not innocent.

The Teamsters hierarchy, like all unions, historically backed the Democrats, but the majority of the rank and file voted Republican. No doubt in my mind. And to clarify a bit, I'm talking about the New York Metro area, in an era where most of the rank and file were White men. And let's be brutally honest, your average truck driver back then wasn't the most open-minded guy in the world.

And I am a sexy bitch. Billy Ray Valentine. Capricorn. People will say, "Billy Ray, you're sexy," and not understand my sexuality.

Were the details of the planned hit on Gotti (by Manna) ever revealed? Like who was going to do it, where, etc....

Not that I'm aware of, but if not for that bathroom wiretap I really don't think Gotti sees 1990 (which turned out to be a terrible year for him anyway ).

I think they would have hit Gotti, Chin backs Jimmy Brown and Danny Marino, and Chin is de facto boss of three of the Five Families (because I think he also would have eventually killed Vic and Gas and backed the Bronx/Harlem faction and installed the Lucchese boss from that crew).

I've heard that was his plan, anyway. It obviously didn't come off, but if true it was typical Chin. Brilliant and long term. Not short sighted in the slightest.

Pizza boy have you ever eaten at Ann and Tony's ?

I thought you were leaving the site Jack?

Please tell me that at some point you've thought of telling him to Hit the Road

Keep stalking my posts. From April 11th of this year:



I did eat at a Hindu/East Indian restaurant out in the Philly suburbs recently. The specialty was a dish called Suboxone a la Jacques. The name of the place is something Hindu, although the son tries to pass himself off as Italian. It begins with a B, but this kid is such a c*unt that he had Daddy's lawyer threaten legal action if his name is posted here. Can you imagine?

This ain't right, SC. I'm sorry. But you know it's him, he keeps stalking my old posts (where the fuck would he come up with Ann and Tony's?), and he keeps switching his ip number so he gets away with it. It ain't right.

I always wondered why he was so keen on Casso...

Doesn't seem like his type of guy. Too much of a loose cannon

No way to block posters on here? Need to add the feature

I am all for a good back and forth, you know me

but something is just wrong in this kids head...

Unhealthy obsession.