The mafia and the gays

However, the mob may be evolving on gay issues. John Gotti's widow Victoria defended John Travolota to play the late Gambino boss in a planned biopic notwithstanding accusations that the actor made untoward advances against male masseurs according to a May 15, 2012 article ("Don't mess with John Travolta and his role as Dapper Don, says John Gotti's widow Victoria") by John Marzulli for the Daily News:

"What difference does it make if he were gay?" Victoria Gotti told the Daily News in an expletive-filled defense of the actor, who's been embroiled by a sex scandal for more than a week. "Who the f--k really cares? Does it make him less of a beautiful human being? No. . . . Leave him the f--k alone. Whatever the true story is, leave him with his dignity," she added. "In the grand scheme of things, it really does not matter."

Perhaps Victoria said it best.

there is money to be made by them, so now they say its o.k. to be gay..money tends to skew the opinion times..no movie with travolta..back to old story

Believe it or not, there were at least a couple made guys in the Outfit who were at least bisexual.

They might look the other way if the guy earns enough money and keeps it on the downlow, but they would never allow an openly gay guy into the family.

no movie with travolta..back to old story

double on that..imagine JR would have killed someone for doing what he and his family are doing..

Who faithful? Never heard that.

Pesci went right to that fat guy's son. The dead Arthur Avenue guy we were recently talking about. The kid that Ernie knocked down last year.

He asked if it was okay to file a breach of contract suit against that creep. They told him to go right the fuck ahead. That tells you what they think of Fiore and that skid bit that he did. He'd have you believe he did twenty at Lewisburg .

Who faithful? Never heard that.

The guy was built like sponge bob..

Another part of old New York that's gone. Handball. These sissy hipster kids walk around squeezing a little bean bag and call it a workout.

bad rumor about his son joe brought in by..you guessed it mr greg

Joe Gagliano was said to have gone that way on occasion according to one FBI informant. His street name was "Joe Gags". Make of that what you will.

"Joey ballsdeep"

Frankie Fellatio and Ricky Rim Job were constantly hanging around that guy. Colorful crew.

Since the cat's out of the bag on this one, he's one of the guys I was referring to.

Note that some mafia members wore pinky rings, I heard this was so they could identify a gangster who was gay.

That may have meant something out west. I have no idea, and I couldn't care less. But here in New York? Back in the '60s and '70s, when I was growing up?

If a pinky ring made a wiseguy a queer, then ninety percent of them were taking it up the ass. Because over here it was a status symbol to these guys, like driving a Caddy or wearing Brioni. Fact.

what philly capo???? ive never heard that one

Those gays are all bullshitters and softies. Drugs are rampant in gay nightclubs and with the drugs and the nightclub ownership comes organized crime.

Drug addiction in young gay men often stems from the self-hate. It's self-medicating. I pity them. They have to learn to love themselves as they are or they'll never get off the drugs.

AMATO was allegedly a gay boss, but that is moistly based on his wife's telling members of the crime family about it, but John and her had been fighting constantly when he became acting boss.

Whats the attitude towards wiseguys who fool around with other prisoners when they're inside? Is it ignored or can it cause some trouble?

Big no-no.

... especially if you're gay!

There is not thirteen families - there is only seven now, and they can far overcome the five LCN families of NYC. Time to change your tune.... ;-)

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In the second half of the 20th century, New York City saw a boom in organized crime, with New York and New Jersey at the epicenter of mob rule in the US. Meanwhile, the gay scene had exploded.

The Mafia—which had a stranglehold on nightlife since the end of Prohibition—spotted a gap in the market. There was a whole new audience who wanted to go to a bar or nightclub to experience the then luxury of being among other gay people. In the aftermath of Prohibition, a new underground scene developed, and naturally the Mafia wanted in on the action. What followed was years of pimping, financial exploitation, the NYPD completely ignoring the LGBT community's concerns, and gossipy FBI files speculating about certain mobsters' sexualities.

Phillip Crawford Jr., author of the book The Mafia and the Gays, argues that the Mafia were much more than proprietors of illegal nightspots; he says that they are in fact an intrinsic part of the LGBT movement, sparking the Stonewall riots and enabling the gay community to thrive. VICE called him up to talk about all that.

VICE: Hi, Phillip. When did the link between the gay community and the Mafia begin?

Phillip Crawford Jr: The Mafia was behind many speakeasies in the big cities, such as Chicago and New York, during Prohibition. After Prohibition was repealed, state agencies regulated bars with vague standards against disorderly premises and moral indecency, which were interpreted to prohibit serving gays. Accordingly, the Mafia took its experience with speakeasies and used it to operate gay bars, which involved paying off the police departments and liquor authorities charged with enforcing these discriminatory laws.

It seems like an unusual fusion...

Well, the Mafia didn't much care about enforcing societal mores or respecting government rules. Ernest Sgroi Sr, one of the principal fronts for gay bars controlled by mob boss Vito Genovese in Greenwich Village, obtained his first liquor license right after the repeal of Prohibition. He was involved with some of the most popular gay bars during the post-war years, including the Bon Soir and the Lion, which started off as nightclubs with live entertainment attracting both straight and gay patrons but ultimately became predominantly gay bars. The Lion was where Barbra Streisand made her first public singing performance in 1960.

So do you think the Mafia exploited the gay community purely for their own financial ends?

The Mafia controlled most gay bars due to their illegal status, and extracted a monetary premium from the gay community. This recognized both the legal risk the Mob was taking and the near-monopoly status it enjoyed. After all, where else were gay folks going to meet? There were often high cover charges and minimum drink requirements. Moreover, gay men were at risk of blackmail from their Mob overlords. The Mob's exploitation of the gay community was among the reasons for the 1969 protests outside the Stonewall Inn. Indeed, after the Stonewall protests, once of the principal goals of the activist groups such as Gay Activists Alliance and Gay Liberation Front was to get organized crime out of the gay bars.

Did anything change?

Unfortunately, the LGBT community's complaints about gay bars operating under the Mafia's thumb continued to be ignored for years by law enforcement and public officials. With the liberation movement, gay bars became cash cows for New York's Mafia families.

Your book says the Mafia pimped out gay men, too...

The gay bars were part of the vice rackets, and that also included the flesh trade. For example, Ed "the Skull" Murphy, a former pro wrestler who became a gay bar bouncer, had a proclivity for young boys, and he pimped them out through bars at which he worked. New York law enforcement investigated the mob's role in running gay bars and pimping underage boys pursuant to Operation Together in the mid 1970s but according to Assistant District Attorney Paul Flaxman "top brass" shut it down right before the indictment stage because it implicated powerful people in politics, business, and society.

Was that activity just confined to the Mafia?

I spoke with a now-retired detective who worked undercover vice on Operation Together, and he mentioned a couple of household names from the entertainment field who allegedly were involved with the jail bait. Moreover, the Mafia was also behind many of the hustler bars. For example, Matty Ianniello, the Genovese capo who controlled much of New York's gay nightlife, was behind the Hay Market in Times Square where generous men could find some young company.

Does it seem strange given the stereotypical homophobic image of the Mob that they would get so closely involved with the gay scene?

Most mobsters are sociopaths only interested in making money, and their entire lives are about trafficking drugs, producing pornography, making bets, or whacking rivals. Running gay bars is a relatively minor break! Sure, many mobsters had a homophobic bent and often expressed their contempt for gay patrons, but generally there was a benign tolerance for the LGBT community based on financial interests, and they separated their personal lives from business affairs.

Did some Mafia members get involved in the gay scene in any meaningful way?

From the Mob's earliest days to the present time there have been many gay wise guys, although they operate on the down low. For example, David Petillo was "reputed to be a 'fairy'" according to FBI documents. In 1936 the 18-year-old Petillo was busted with Lucky Luciano for running female brothels, and after he got out of prison in 1956 became a Genovese soldier involved with gay bars and the smut trade into the 1970s. DeCavalcante boss John D'Amato was whacked in 1992 for being gay, and his killer Anthony Capo said in court: "Nobody's going to respect us if we have a gay homosexual boss sitting down discussing La Cosa Nostra business." More recently, Robert Mormando, a onetime Gambino hitman, came out of the closet in 2009 after entering the witness protection program.

How long did the connection between the gay scene and the Mafia go on for? Is it finished now?

There's some evidence to suggest that the Genovese and Gambino families still may have a hidden hand in some establishments. However, most gay bars today are run by legitimate business interests. The near-monopoly by the Mafia over gay bars was broken in the mid 80s when federal prosecutors aggressively targeted New York's crime families on multiple fronts, which included convictions against Matty Ianniello and several of his associates for skimming cash out of several of his Times Square gay bars and strip clubs to avoid income taxes.

The Stonewall Inn seems to have had more than the usual number of gay mobsters. According to historian Martin Duberman, a gangster-bouncer named "Petey," who worked various gay clubs, including the Stonewall, "had a thick Italian street accent, acted 'dumb,' and favored black shirts and ties." He was "the very picture of a Mafia mobster -- except for his habit of falling for patrons and coworkers." Petey was especially fond of an Italian drag queen named Desiree who frequented the Stonewall.

This Scudiero guy again.

http://www.recordonline.com/article/20021109/News/311099995

What family was he affiliated with?

Gaymbino? Gaynovese? Lugayse?

Lugayse?

I'm going to defer to the sociological studies on the topic and go with the approximate 25% number that they apply to the rest of society. 1 in 4 in everyday life are gay, then as far as I'm concerned 1 in 4 in the mob are gay, too.

The mafia and gay people aside, do you really think that's how statistics/demographics work?

My point was that you can't take a statistic like "10% or 25% of people are gay" and apply it to any subgroup of a population. With that silly logic you can say "1% of the country is Muslim, therefore 1% of Mafia members are Muslim." Which is of course ridiculous.

My point was that you can't take a statistic like "10% or 25% of people are gay" and apply it to any subgroup of a population. With that silly logic you can say "1% of the country is Muslim, therefore 1% of Mafia members are Muslim." Which is of course ridiculous.

And it's also a choice to join the Mafia. I think homosexuals criminals, like any homosexual, tend to avoid anti-homosexual organizations.

And it's also a choice to join the Mafia. I think homosexuals criminals, like any homosexual, tend to avoid anti-homosexual organizations.

I would agree.

And where did this 5% of the population being gay come from, much less 25%? Thin air? 25% of the mob is gay? Lol. Even 5% is absurd.

Absurd? How could you possibly know? Oh, that's right. Anyone that acts tough and joins a masculine organization could never be gay.

Absurd? How could you possibly know? Oh, that's right. Anyone that acts tough and joins a masculine organization could never be gay.