Detroit isn't that active...why the full admin?

First post here boys..... so go easy! Pretty much what it says on the tin really...if Detroit are not as active like some of you are saying, then why have they got a full adminstration and 5 capo's. Surely for a family not up to much, thats a bit over kill no?

they have more in common with your avatar's crime family than any other real active family today

I'd be stunned if they are into anything more than some low key gambling/shy

What, you don't think any drugs are being moved, distributed or protected with their close proximity to Canada... Or prostitution, etc... with Casino's right there...

I would advise using the search function before bringing this up, which will just start an argument with the same people that say Detroit is dead.

They are more active than you think. Also, regardless of numbers they have more admin spots than NY traditionally does, for insulation purposes.

But you obviously have already formed your opinion with statements such as "surely for a family not up to much". You sound pretty confident in this.

Anyway here is roughly how it looks today.

Administration

Boss – Jack “Jackie the Kid/The Bathrobe” Giacalone
Underboss – Anthony “Chicago Tony/Tony Lop/The Loli-Pop” La Piana
Consiglieri – Anthony “Tony Pal/The Butterfly” Palazzola
Street Boss – Peter “Specs/Blackie” Tocco
Counselor emeritus: Giacomo “Black Jack” Tocco, Joseph "Joe Hooks" Mirabile, Dominic "Uncle Dom" Bommarito

Capos

David “Davey Donuts” Aceto
Joseph “Joey Jack/Joe Vine” Giacalone
Joseph “Joe the Hood” D’Anna
Paul “Big Paulie” Corrado
Antonino “Tony the Extermintor” Ruggirello (coming out of retirement for short-term stint until La Piana names an official successor as boss of his crew, the former Meli crew)

“Soldiers”

Anthony “Tony Z” Zerilli (inactive/shelved)
Vito Tocco
Salvatore “Mops/Junior” Tocco
Jack “Little Jackie/Miami Jack” Tocco, Jr. (part of the year in FL)
Anthony “Nino/Smitty” Tocco
Anthony “Little Tony/Little Tawncy” Tocco, Jr. (part of the year in FL)
Joseph “Joe T” Tocco
Peter “Fat Pete” Corrado
Peter “Baby Bull” Corrado
Paul “Cousin Paulie/the Fixer” Corrado
Anthony “Nino” Corrado
Dominic “Chicago Dom” Corrado (CHI-NW IN)
Joseph “Joe White” Giacalone (Flint)
Jack “Jackie the Nose” Giacalone (FL)
Vincent “Vinnie Jack” Giacalone
Dominic “Fat Dom” Rubino
Peter “Petey Boy” Messina
Joseph “Jo Jo” Messina
Joseph "Joe the Clipper" Barbara, Jr. (semi-retired, sometimes looked to for counsel by admin)
Dominic “Big Dom” Vivio (shelved-PITT)
Frank “Frankie the Bomb” Bommarito (semi-active)
Robert “Bobby the Animal” La Puma
Gerard Di Michelle
Sam Ventilmiglia (TX)
Anthony Rugerio
Patrick Rugerio
Antonio “Toto” Ruggirello
Anthony “Little Tony Long” Cimini, Jr.
Anthony “Little Tony Razz” Randazo Jr,
Girolamo “Mimmo” D’Anna
Salvatore “Sparky” Palazzola, Jr.
Vincenzo “Vinnie Meatballs” Bronzino
John “Johnny Bananas” Sciarotta
Joseph “Joe D” Di Stefano
Eugene “Genie Boy” Baratta
Joseph “Joey the Trash Man” Tringali
Isodoro “Teddy San Diego” Matranga (CAL)
Peter “Pete the Clown” Leonardo
Louis “Butch” Stramaglia
Greektown Mike Katranis (in charge of Greektown)
William "Billy Lee" Loiacano (FL-inactive)
Joseph "Joe Gravel" Gargalino (FL-Retired)

Jesus, look at the last names, these guys really believes in keep to themselves

IMHO: no, not really

again: I'd be surprised to see any of the alleged members to be linked to anything that isn't books, shy and minor extortion

It looks like they have a small army to me...The total number of members and associates has to be around 150-160, give or take...plus that city is hurtin' so bad, i wouldn't be surprised if these guys don't have the "key to the city"...They're laughing all the way to the coffee cans in the backyard. Granted, i don't know too much about the Detroit Fam, just my opinion.

[quote=LuanKuci]they have more in common with your avatar's crime family than any other real active family today

Nice one, for making me feel like a dick on my first post there LuanKuci. Got a warm homely feeling all over. Yer so obviously Detroit must be up to all kinds, they've got more capo's than philly....havent they?.....also your not gona have all those guys, if you haven't got enough work for them. Doesn't make smart business sense....plus there would be murder...literally!

Relax, Buddy. LK never makes trouble here. Ever. If he made a joke and it fell flat I can assure you it wasn't intentional.

Welcome to the boards, though. Enjoy .

Thanks PIzza...good effort fella.

I'll put it out there right now, mike89 is a troll.

watch the sarcasm goofy

this is a great site...if you don't jump at other posters' throats in a blink of an eye for no reason whatsoever

many believe that they are more role-playing mobsters (playing the part) than anything else

hence the reference to a made up family of intimidating actors

Welcome to the boards mike 89, feel free to voice your opinions

I'm a troll? Whats that supposed to mean? I'm not the one masquerading round as Tommy Gambino. Anyway... I asked a question and it was answered...for that. I give thanks.

Sorry LuanKuchi thought you were trying to take the piss...caught wrong end of the stick... got a bit touchy feely....thanks for answering the questions etc.

Half those guys are probably over 70 years old. I don't see where they can recruit 150 associates from. Plus they are not based in Detroit and haven't been for decades. Most of them live in the surrounding suburbs like Grosse Point.

10-4, I gotcha...Thanks

That Grosse Point looks like a nice area... no wonder they wana kick it back there.

I'd suggest searching for Scotts post, regardless of what anyone else says, it his city. And his Law enforcement sources and the undesirables he's contacted in the past, have a completely different angle than what most people on this forum itself, tend to portray. In my opinion, they aren't doing things on a major scale but they also arent as dead as some make it out to be.

Also, the fact they've had one informant who was a made guy (Nove Tocco), throughout their entire history, why is it so far fetched that they still might maintain somewhat of a power base there? They were never inflicted with many of the cases the NY families, Philadelphia or Chicago, had to deal with. And not one of their recent bosses died in jail, they died old and happy in their own homes surrounded by family. Are we supposed to believe these guys completely turned their lives around or didnt set up a base before they died, and just said "This thing dies eith us", when they have sons, and nephews still involved and depend on traditional mob scams to make money? I dont know about drugs, but its an almost fact that they still contribute in a large part to Detroits sports betting and loansharking. That's a lot more than what most Mob families in the states can say.

Nobody said Detroit "isn't active" or that they "turned their lives around." There are still mob guys in Detroit who are involved in bookmaking and loansharking. But you could also say that about Buffalo or Kansas City.

The dispute is over how big, active, and strong the family still is. For anyone who thinks the family has 50+ members in 2014 and is that hierarchical (as the above chart shows), I have a bridge in Brooklyn AND swampland in Florida I want to sell you.

Second this.

I firmly believe that Detroit is simply just a gambling ring on the same level, with the same activities as the Newark Crew of the Philadelphia LCN family. But hey what do I know, I have only driven through Detroit two times on my way to Windsor, Ontario Canada and haven't been there since 2007!?!?!

So you are comparing Buffalo and Kansas city to Detroit?

If you believe that I have those same items for sale for you, listed on ebay.

Also,

Who on the chart that is listed as a soldier isn't made?

The chart was made from Scott's sources and are all legitimate names.

So where is your evidence to dispute these members?

And don't you dare say "well due to the lack of FBI attention on them and lack of indictments" as your evidence.

2cents I never knew there was a mob up montreal, so what Detroit 2 hous away. they loves drugs up there so I think there is a mob there probably 20 30guys. 3 people have the top. rizzuto must have had a lot of contacts there.

I might go on cheap tickets.com to see what a 5 day vation would cost plane hotel car. wonder what the hell there is to do there. all you ever hear is horror stories. the city went bankrupt they wernt paing the police, the mayor got rico. probably the only mayor other then buddy cianci.

speaking of vacations is st peterburgs florida to cold next month to book?

A bridge? In Brooklyn? Must be a different bridge because i just bought one in Brooklyn from this real nice Nigerian fellow that emailed me last week. I got a great deal on it. Seems that he recently inherited it but due to circumstances had to sell it at a bargain price. I just western unioned him $100,000. I should have the deed anyday now. I can't wait to start charging tolls on it. I'm going to be rich!

You should be okay, but you just never know when it comes to Florida in January. It could be 80 degrees, but then again it could be 45. That's why it's hard to just pick a week. You should just go for a month .

But why Saint Pete? Don't get me wrong, it's a nice area. I'm just curious.

The big thing for me here, is the 5 capo's....your not gona have 5 capo's if you haven't got loads of operations going on. Its a stone wall fact.

Visiting a friend in Tampa figured it would be to cold there so go a lil more down the gulf coast and it st peters. Plus the misses found a nice hotel cheap ocean front looks nice. Think I should go further south what Naples or Meyers or what e er the Sox an Yankee s spring train. Mixing it up which ever ones on the gulf side guess its way warmer. But bet I'm taking the rental to merlino so I can post a review shit I ask Joe to sign a napkin. Fanboy

Just here to further my knowledge fella, if that makes me a fanboy....then whatever...I mean..what are you doing on here then? Are you a gangster bb mob snob or something?

I thought that Merlino was going inside the first week of January? Unless you're going before that?

Anyway, if you can afford Naples then it's no comparison. That entire area is gorgeous. We're on the east coast, just north of Merlino's (in Delray Beach). But my brother's in laws have a place on Marco Island and we get out that way every so often. The whole area is pristine. And if you happen to be a golfer you'll be in Heaven.

Pmac is another member in long standing here. He never beefs with anyone either. He was jokingly referring to himself as a fanboy.

Stop being so defensive. This is a great place .

Sorry dude, yer your right fella...i'm like a fizzed up can of coke over ere.

So you guys don't think that most of these mafia families don't have "Skeleton" members that LE and in some cases one another don't know about? I'm just guessing, but the number has to be at least 2 handfuls for each.

I don't know about Detroit and I don't care. It's too fucking cold there anyway .

But it's all relative. If any given family is, say, twenty percent bigger than the Feds give them credit them for, you still probably won't have a hundred guys if the Feds think you have only twenty. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle (it usually is).

Agreed. I could care less myself and you're right, it is too cold. lol....Fair point...

You would pay to go to Detroit? lol

Save your money.

Stranger things have happened, you can get guided tours of Chernobyl these days... https://chernobyl-tour.com/english/

This also doesnt mean much, the suburban thing. Geographical shifts have aided the mob in this era. Lets not forget Squitieri and Meagle, who operated a large crew, uninterrupted for 10 years, in Westchester County, despite themselves being based in NJ and CT. Luccheses & Bonnano's have always operated with significant success in Long Island. This also goes for Boston & NE, people inaccurately claiming their dead and extinct because the supposed boss is based in Rhode Island. Operating in a nearby affluent suburb doesn't mean the guys there are no longer NY Families. This goes for Detroit and everyone else whos still around and in which sources have pointed to them still operating on an organized scale.

@IvyLeague, the discussion is whether they're dead or not. I dont recall ever seeing many people claim they were this huge operating gambit, but people on this forum have been saying exact claims of Detroit being defunct and inactive. And I think the Kansas City comparison is way off, personally. Like by a lot.

I get what you're saying. But for accuracy's sake, Tony hasn't been on the street "uninterrupted for 10 years" since he was made. Hell, he's never had five straight years without going back inside. Maybe this time, though. He got out last week.

The thing about Tony is, and I've posted this before, is that he got off with Louie's Bronx crew even though he was technically with Breezy. He was cutting a game in Morris Park long before he was made, which is unheard of for an associate from out of state. He's a bright guy and he impressed his out out state superiors at a young age. That Westchester sits in between the Bronx and Fairfield counties plays no small part in the influence that he eventually gained there. He pole vaulted over Greg in that regard.

And Zeke's done (which has nothing to do with your original point, I'm just putting it out there).

I'm sorry for hijacking the thread. Now you guys can go back to discussing Detroit .

Looking at the available evidence, I don't think what's left of the mob in Detroit and Buffalo is much different at this point. The only difference is you still see Detroit listed in some lists of remaining families and, of course, Scott.

My point is that some guys remaining being involved in bookmaking and loansharking isn't necessarily indicative of a large, viable, hierarchical organization still in tact, which is what those charts suggest.



If by "legitimate names," you mean they all exist I won't disagree. But I have a hard time believing they are all made. And I've explained why more times than I can remember. But people who like what Scott is saying choose to ignore it.

The family was reported to have a max of 30 members back in the big 1996 bust - nearly 20 years ago. The figure was the same when it was cited 5 years later in a 2001 article. Fast-forward 5 years after that and Scott's own book cited 25 members. Furthermore, from 2000 to the present, there have been over 20 members/possible Detroit members who have died. Are we really supposed to believe that, unlike any other remaining family in the country, Detroit has been able to not only keep it's membership level stable but actually increase in size? Especially with all the members who have died? People can talk about Scott's sources all they want but over the past several years his charts had fluctuated from around 30 members to nearly 60. I think he does his best with the available info but to take his charts as gospel, while ignoring all of the other evidence, is willful blindness on your part.

And, whether you like it or not, the relative lack of indictments in Detroit is part of that contradictory evidence. We have families in New England and Philadelphia that actually do have 40-50 members and show much more activity but aren't as hierarchical as what the Detroit chart shows. Also Chicago, with 25-30 members, for that matter.

Hey, but don't take my word for it...


Members/Possible Members who have died since 2000:

Carlo Bommarito (2007)
Antony "Tony Long" Cimini (2005)
Anthony "Tony the Bull" Corrado (2002)
Vincent "Little Vince" Meli (2006)
Anthony "Tony Jack" Giacalone (2001)
Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone, Jr (2013)
Vito "Billy Jack" Giacolone (2012)
Jack "Jackie G" Gianosa (2003)
Salvatore "Sammy G" Giordano (2002)
Dominic Licavoli (2003)
Salvatore "Soupy" Lentine (2002)
Anthony "Pretty Boy Tony" Munaco (2005)
Leonardo "Leo Monday" Monteleone (2006)
Rafaela "Jimmy Q" Quassarano (2002)
Joseph "Jo Jo" Ruggirello (2013)
James "Jackie Two Guns" Russo (2012)
Anthony "Tony T" Tocco (2012)
Jack "Black Jack" Tocco (2014)
William "Billy Boy" Tocco (2007)
Dominic "Lefty" Tringale (2007)
Frank "Chinky" Versaci (2012)
Dominic Viccari (2001)


1996 article -

Until this week's arrests, the Metro Detroit crime family had remained largely intact, with more than 100 associates and 29 "made members," or those who took an oath of allegiance through blood letting.
http://www.forensic-intelligence.org/mob/40062.htm

2001 article -

Yet the organization "has not gone dormant," says Joseph M. Finnigan, organized crime supervisor for the FBI's Detroit office. Nor will it as long as people still play the numbers, call a bookie, gamble at an after-hours casino or arrange an illegal loan to cover their losses. New members have replaced the old, keeping the local Mafia's size at about 30.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Wise-guy-blabbermouths-damage-Detroit-Mob-s-image-2924863.php

2006 Motor City Mafia -

Significantly reduced in numbers - recent FBI accounts place Motor City Mafia membership at roughly 25 made members..."

2011 article

Even after imprisonment of senior leadership, it survives, and in some places thrives, though most experts agree that its operations are now largely confined to its traditional bases in the Northeast and Chicago.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704115404576096392318489246



I'm not sure I recall anyone say they are "dead" or "defunct." If, by that, you mean there are no living members left. Or only a few that are inactive.

I think most would agree that there are still LCN members in Detroit that are active - mainly in bookmaking and loansharking, as well as whatever legit businesses they have. But are there 50+ of the them? Or is whatever structure still in tact that hierarchical? Doubtful.

"That city is hurtin' so bad"

When people say "Detroit" they aren't referring to the metro area/city proper.

The surrounding suburbs & townships are doing just fine and are some of the best places to raise a family in the Midwest.

Grosse Point can be called exclusive, no?

I didn't mean Squitieri himself, I meant the crew in it's entirety. Selwyn Raab also says in Five Families, "After an unimpeded ten-year run, a Gambino crew with headquarters in upscale Westchester County was put out of business through the arrests of seven reputed made men and twenty-five associates."; But you're actually right though, even though I didn't mean Squitieri himself, him and Meagle were only Acting Boss & Underboss, so during that uninterrupted ten-year run, there's was undoubtedly other guys running things.

And to IvyLeague, there isn't nearly anything reported or heard through guys who claim to be "in the know" about Kansas City and any made, or connected guys running any loansharking or gambling, though. I've seen a few, and by a few I mean two or three articles. And no one really talks about Kansas City, it's always been like that due to them being a small family, but they really still made noise and headlines back in the day. Now? Really not so much. They got hit with Attrition a lot more harder than Detroit did, I think. You still here a little bit of those things about Detroit, not a lot, but definitely more than Kansas City.

And is it possible that the reason some of Scott's charts had fluctuated is because he may have been counting associates as well? Even if, 25-30 made guys is still enough for a substantial crew and for them to be making money through shylocking and gambling/bookkeeping, and through legal ventures like they've done in the past. And some have stated on this forum that Detroit is pretty damn near defunct, some going as far as saying they have no presence in the city. We've never claimed Detroit was some huge army, at least I haven't. I don't think Scott has either nor any of his sources if you read some of the quotes they've made to him. But they also don't imply that they're out there on their last breath either. I think there's still a quite substantial pool from these guys to draw from simply because most of them are related, some of the numerous young nephews and cousin's friends may be drawn to the Detroit Mob life as well, especially if a lot of them see and understand the closeness of the Family and how they've managed to stay low and out of federal prisons while still making money.

Absolutely.

There was a mob-related bookmaking bust in Kansas City back in 2010. I agree that what's left of the mob in Detroit is stronger than what's left in Kansas City. My point was that there still being mob guys involving in gambling and loansharking in a certain area isn't necessarily indicative of a strong family still in place, which is what was being argued in regards to Detroit.



Well, if you're going to make a list of made guys, you obviously shouldn't include associates. Or you should at least say that the list also includes associates. Scott's never done that. The impression has always been that everyone, except for the one or two non-Italians listed, are made. Like I said, I think he puts everyone on there because he's not exactly sure about many of them. But when his lists show twice as many members as other estimates, any objective observer has to question it. By the way, Scott himself has said that it doesn't appear that the upcoming generation in Detroit will have many who will join the life.

I wonder who Scott's source is on all of this....surely Giacalone etc must be pretty pissed someone has leaked who his new admin is.

I think the new regime in Detroit are bunch of noodles. They had their life's planned out for them when they were still in diapers. The old-heads remaining are ignorant and made all their money smuggling drugs in from Canada after prohibition was up from their fudda's n mudda's. Has anyone seen the new generation of Detroit LCN LOL. I remember someone posting a picture of some of the newly made guys LOL-LOL

Was it a Jersey Shore type of vibe yer?

The new regime aren't young guys though. The supposed boss, is nearing his 70's. Tony La Piana is 71, and according to some is the brains of the admin group. Which is nothing out of the ordinary as since the 70's and Jack Tocco took over and created this sort of admin group, in which one side are the street guys and the other are the business types. Jackie The Kid represents the blue-collar mob guys, La Piana is more of a white collar crook. Tony Pal is 73, And with your claim of "they had their life's planned out for them when they were still in diapers", implying that because of that , they have no leadership skill. Wouldn't that also apply to last batch of leaders the Detroit Mob has had? For the last three decades or so, the administration has consisted of second generation mobsters, either by birth or through marriage. Black Jack Tocco "had his life planned out for him when he was still in diapers" by his father, Black Bill Tocco. So did his underboss at one point Tony Zerilli. The same applies to this new administration. And then there's Petey Spec's, 63 years old. None of them are runny nose kids, and they all have their rep which they've spent years building.

I would pay to see you say that to Jackie, or anyone else for that matter. You would wet your pants. I love keyboard warriors hiding behind 1998 dell monitors on these mob sites. Real tough guys.

I could imagine your face trying to tell the D'anna brothers that they aren't shit.

http://www.macombdaily.com/general-news/...ss-new-evidence

You actually wasted your time giving the guy a legit reply like this?

kudos to you my friend. lol

I know Blackjack, there are a lot of keyboard tough guys on here. My Father always told me those that you should fear most are the people that keep their mouth's shut and that is the truth.

I just never understood these anonymous trolls who say shit like "this mobster looks like a pussy"

Meanwhile the guy has multiple bodies under their belt, while the only thing the poster has under their belt, is a stomach roll the size of a large dog.

Yet you claim Barney Bellomo would beat up Frank Cali based on what?

well, the d'annas are shit

they are criminals aren't they?

and the very worst kind on the lowest layer among italian ones in the area

they are street hoods, with connections but still street hoods

Same reason you stalk personal fb and instagrams of mobsters I guess.

Go sip your tea and continue to envy America, and stop stalking me weirdo.

Stalk Instagram and FB of mobsters? Only time I've ever seen a mobster on Instagram is when somebody put the link up on here to Joey Merlino's, looked at it once, haven't since. You're a very strange individual, continually make things up about me because I embarrassed you and called you out on your bullshit.

Why on earth would I envy america? You've got a very elitist view of the world.

You have never embarrassed me.

Hence why I don't follow you around making comments, but you stalk me because I crushed your fragile little ego, and you are still reeling from months ago. hahaha...PATHETIC.

Now stop throwing the topic off, weird little stalker and go back to beating off to Merlinos personal photos.

I saw you blatantly contradict yourself with the post you made in this thread and pointed out your fantasies of Barney & Cali fighting which is just fucking strange.

So I'm a stalker for calling you out on you're bullshit twice? Ok then.

If I didn't embarrass you then why did you make up lies about me making threads about 'Best dressed gangster' which clearly never happened, also saying I stalk mobsters on facebook when I had a look once.

All you're lies are quite clearly a tool to deflect attention away from yourself when you're proven wrong or embarrassed. Get a life.

You guys should take a deep breath and think about the REAL trolls on the board. You're giving them what they want. They make an seemingly innocent post, then sit back and watch things mushroom. You've both been here awhile. Don't give them what they want.

blackjack is a troll.

I don't think he's a troll. You two just don't see eye to eye, that doesn't make him a troll. A troll is someone who usually posts non-sense or things that are completely random in the sake of getting a reaction out of the forum. I've never seen Blackjack do any of those things.

Nothing to do with seeing eye to eye. He's clearly a fucking idiot, everything I've said about him is 100% correct. Anyone who makes things up to deflect attention away from himself is a troll in my eyes.

Great list BlackJack. I've also read about Girolamo"Mimmo" D'Anna and Guiseppe "Joe" D'Anna as being Detroit's main connection to Italy through their cousin Salvatore D'anna. I agree that they may be small as a family but the ones moving up are carrying some serious clout. As with all families you have the cunning silent types and the fuckin maniacs. These guys are clearly the maniacs.

http://www.sourcenewspapers.com/articles/2013/03/07/news/doc5137d05e9da2d770356725.txt

"The two Shelby Township brothers indicted last month by a federal grand jury in connection to the baseball bat-beating of a rival restaurant owner have ties to alleged Sicilian Mafia figures in Italy and should be considered dangerous, according to federal prosecutors.

Giuseppe D'Anna, aka "Joe," 60, and Girolamo D'Anna, aka "Mimmo," 48, are the cousins of Salvatore D'Anna, who the U.S. Justice Department says is a boss of a crime family in Terrasini, Italy. Both of the D'Annas and Ventimiglia were born and raised in Terrasini, Italy, court records show.

"According to the latest documents, the D'Anna brothers were upset that the owners of Nonna's Kitchen had not sought and received permission from them prior to opening the restaurant in 2009. At the time, Giuseppe D'Anna's wife owned Tiramisu Italian Ristorante across the street.

The feds say the D'Annas made it known the victim's family would be subject to the punishment of the Sicilian Mafia if he proceeded with the opening.

Two years later, when Nonna's was undergoing an expansion in 2011, the D'Annas entered the restaurant one night. While Girolama D'Anna distracted the victim, Giuseppe D'Anna entered and struck the owner 11 times with a baseball bat, leaving him with a closed head injury, broken jaw and other injuries."

So you're saying the Detroit family have ties to Italy, based on what? All they've got left is gambling and loansharking, mid level I'd imagine aswell.

The D'Anna brothers have been proven to be low level enforcers, nothing more.

as I've stated few posts up the d'annas do have connections

with this being said, their lineage alone doesn't automatically mean that they hold any high-ranking LCN role either in the usa and/or italy.

nor that detroit's lot have transnational connections

keep in mind that the d'annas in terrasini are a small-time family in a small seaside town

once again this is a duo of street hoods

they're muscle-material...nothing more than that

stop day dreaming about it

He himself didn't say the D'Anna's had ties to Italy, the article did. Scott's also said the same thing in the not too distant past.


As of 2013, they still had relatives who are big in the LCN world back in Sicily. They're dad or uncle is a big don in Terresini. Calogero or Girolamo D'Anna or something. Salvatore D'Anna, apparently is or was the boss of a Terrasini crime family as well, and he's their cousin.

As far as a low level enforcers go, sources says they head the Zip faction of that tiny little, defunct crime family.

And someone asked a few pages back where these guys would recruit from. I don't know this for a fact, but again sources, and some pretty reliable people from the city itself and also who refer to themselves as "LCN insiders" or "researchers", claim there are 200-250 thousand Italians in the Metro Detroit area, many of them are Sicilian.


Credit goes to the Real Deal forum for a lot of that information and posters like mcscott and Double Zee.

Thank you for the insight LuanKuci. I enjoy reading your posts about matters such as this and I feel that you have a lot to offer this forum but I have to ask. How in the fuck am I daydreaming? I posted a very simple reply based on a topic that we BOTH agree on (for the most part). I never at any point glorified the connection, simply stated that it was there.

I'd say they are the second most powerful outfit outside new york families tied with chicago or even more powerful than chicago

Groan.

it wasn't meant to you in particular
just a way of saying that -sometimes- we fall to believe things are on a higher layer than what they really are.

this family has people doing that y'know
which is more than understandable given how little current info is out there on them

besides, welcome to the forums terence

/me chuckles.

You are clearly a low life, who looks at LCN from another country, worshiping AMerica while your panties are wet.

You are honestly, an absolute joke when it comes to LCN.

The entire Detroit family as a whole may not have connections, but the D'Anna's definetly do.

How far that extends to Detroit, I don't know.

But to dismiss them having any Zip connection, is silly and uninformed. Much like people from Nottingham.

There's literally nothing to suggest that. But quite a bit to suggest otherwise.

Coming from a guy who fantasises about small families being big.

Coming from a guy who fantasizes about Tommy Gambino. "A sissy dressmaker"

Fitting.

A guy who made a lot of money and was non-violent, opposed to you naming yourself after a killer. Whatever floats you're boat

I don't think anyone ever claimed Detroit was a big family. The names in those charts, which some of which are more than 2 years old, are those at the capacity. The fact is, they aren't defunct like a lot of you have been claiming, they aren't starving or desperate for survival. They're around.

nobody is claiming they're defunct. just not as big and hierarchal as that chart is implying.

Thank you LuanKuci. I totally agree and really enjoy the forum so far. Cheers!

I feel that a majority of people who are not familiar with the LCN in Detroit also forget that most of these older guys in the alleged hierarchy have business degrees. I can't image that tradition would fade away after it worked brilliantly for the elder Giacalone's. I've been living in Michigan my entire life and you guys are right, Detroit is fucked up. No one wants to be on the street waiting for chump change if the next jingle you know you will hear is someone reaching for a piece to put a bullet in your head.

Scott's newest article on Detroit.....

http://gangsterreport.com/detroits-new-millennium-mob-murders/

@Dellacroce

A lot of the names on that list are relatives, it isn't that hard believe that a handful of them would be involved in the family. I don't think that chart separates who are for sure button men and those who are merely associates, considering that, those numbers look about right. Also consider many of the names on that list, it's said that they're either semi-active, shelved, or completely retired. Again, considering that, you remove those names, that list gets smaller. And the numbers still seem about right, after all that.

And yes, before that chart was posted, the same people in this thread disputing it now, were saying the family was defunct.


And that recent article is another good article about Detroit LCN.

I posted the article for all to enjoy, but please don't make any mistake about my stance/opinion on Detroit- I firmly believe that the Detroit LCN is merely a small gambling crew, along the exact same lines as the Philly Newark Crew here in North Jersey.

Detroit Family Chart 1965


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That chart's hard to read, would've been better if they had labeled it like how most others are labeled with either an actual family tree graph, or the names listed vertically. Good find though, NJ.



I personally think they're more comparable with Philadelphia. Because they aren't making any headlines, doesn't mean they aren't operating (not saying that's what you're implying, I'm just speaking in general). Detroit was always a lowkey Crime Family more interested in staying out of the papers, I don't recall them making any real headlines outside of Detroit itself, except for Hoffa. They were always into a different type of crime than most of the Cosa Nostra Families in the States. I got the impression they were more into white-collar crimes, at the time and even today, than any of the other Families as well. The Feds never had anything on them, in part, because they made little noise. Never had many informants, not much stuff being fed to the reporters,. People from Detroit who were old enough and around at that time would know more than I do though, in regards to that aspect of it. But yeah, I think for what it's worth, their more comparable to Philly.

Thanks Sinatra...I know it is a pain to read. They should have laid it out different like you said.

you don't say...

to me (size-wise) they're more comparable to whatever is left of the decavalcantes

not as small as licata's crew

not as "big" as philly/s. jersey

New Detroit Article on gangsterreport

http://gangsterreport.com/no-fat-envelope-fat-allen-xmass-detroit-mafia/

That's some rough shit about Jackie The Kid's daughter. Seems like his transition to sitting boss hasn't been as easy as those before him.

Pretty heavy