Made in the 1960's or Before.

Are there any mobsters still living who were Made in the 1960's or before? A few i can think of are.

Carmine Persico - 1950's
Frank Locascio - 1950's
John Franzese - 1940's?
Anthony Scotto - 1960's?
Pasquale Conte? - Late 1940's
Christopher Furnari - 1960's?

If there are more or my dates are wrong. Please respond. Thanks!

Benny Eggs and Quiet Dom maybe? Not sure when they were made but it wouldn't surprise if it was during that time.

Mario Gigante - Late 1950's, Early 1960's?
Lawrence Dentico - Late 50s, Early 1960's?
Stephen Grammauta - Late 1940's - Still Alive?

Benny Eggs and Quiet Dom are two guys who most likely were made during the late 50's or 60's. Thanks for the response!

Neil Migliore and Bobby Manna were both potentially made in the 1950's

I believe Benny Eggs and Quiet Dom were both inducted in the 1970s.

Do u have a direct source for this?

Nick Scarfo was made in the mid 50's as a young man

John Riggi from The Decalvacantes is a possibility

I was made in 1959 .

Seems impossible that Benny Eggs wasn't made before the books reopened in the 70s...

He had his club on Thompson Street WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY before that. His button, too .

Those were the days

Yeah, I was trying to say it as nicely as possible lol

If you want Google buster ardito a westside capo who has legendary stories and was active in his mid 80tys having the feds follow him everywhere for yrs only to die before trial. Anyway he gets caught I think talking in 04 how he was made in 1958 by Vito and how when they open the books again in 74 they let all the rats in. I think I read at one point he was acting consig in the late 60tys or 70tys but he kept going to jail in the 80tys that probably messed up his stock probably when chin took over. Scarpa had a a conversation with Colombo at a 1964 Christmas party's for the capos of that family scarpa was one at the time Joe tells him the commission is only allowing the new Orleans family to induct new guys cause they were the oldest family and needed new blood.

Bronx guy. He was put under Larry Black when Big Mike got forced into retirement. He eventually took over that crew. But you can't find THAT on Google .

I wonder how many made guys that were made b4 1960 in NYC are still alive. The over under 100. That's a milestone for some old mobsters. Buster has the best capecis gangland articles I think the hunt for the bugs at all his food spots the fight over the table at raos.there a thread about who was the last most interesting mafia guy I voted him. He faked a heart attack in federal court by bringing his buddy some pill or somewhat but in the early 2000s he wanted ct. Some of the old old guys wanted young guys whacked but the new bosses told them to calm down. In the 70 tys even 80 tys they would have gotten there way.

I doubt it's even close to 100, pmac.

Do the math: 1959 was 55 years ago (and coincidentally the year I was born). So if the average guy got made at 35 (and that's VERY young, even for back then), that would make him 90 today.

No way there's a hundred of them left.

/me chuckles.

Oh wordplay....

I'm here to fuckin' amuse you?

Hey you wanna hear a funny story?

Last week this prick asked me to christen his kid!

Yeah, five thousand I charge!


(Never gets old)

In Boston I say it is peter Limone, The Lammatina brothers and probably and I say probably Mannachio, Biago, and Bobo Marrapese.

For Chicago, I'd say Lombardo and probably DiFronzo are the only guys made in the sixties that are still alive. New York there are so many still kicking around that it would take too long to list.

Mickey Dimino, Larry Fab, and Mario have been with the westside since forever ago, probably all made around the 60's

Patsy Conte got his button real early, late 40's. Migliore got made aged 20 in 55/56 I believe, guy is still active and has been a powerhouse for about 50 years lol, good job he stayed under the radar and never wanted to be boss or he'd be doing life.

Yea, Patsy Conte had to have had his button in the late 40's. He became a captain in 1957 sometime under the reign of Anastasia or Gambino.

Migliore is definately a legend. Tommy Lucchese thought alot of him.

Does anyone know wen john barbeto got his button ??

Don't know exact year but it was 70's.

So pretty much John Franzese, Pasquale Conte and Stephen Grammauta (If still living) are the only guys still living who were made in the 1940's?

Honestly, I don't think any of those three were made in the 40's.

I think i'v read somewhere where Grammauta was Made in the late 1940's by Vincent Mangano.

I'm not too sure about Conte though, He was made a captain in 1957 by Carlo Gambino, however.

John Franzese, I'm not too sure, but he was a Captain in the early 50's, so it's possible he was made in the late 40's.

Franzese and Conte were, not sure about Stevie.

He was 100%. His dad Nino was a Captain at the time then was Underboss for a brief period.

Only reason I expressed doubt about Patsy was because he would have been only 24 at the oldest in the 40's - extremely young even for back then and even considering his old man was a big wheel in the family.

Tons of guys in they're twenties were made back in the 30's and 40's, LCN were more selective when the books re-opened and they wouldn't make as many youngsters IMO.

Gotta take issue with you there Tommy.

"Tuns of guys"? No way. Unless directly related by blood you were NOT getting made in your 20's and EXTREMELY rare in your 30's.

This was a time when Italian Americans were THE poor ethnic group and crime amongst them was rampant due to their socio-economic standing. The pickings for families of who to induct were vast and unless the families had 500+ members (which obv they didn't) you WERENT getting your button young.

Unless your dad was a big, big guy.

Both Benny Mangano and Cirillo were made in the 1970s.



1976 or 1977.



Correct. All three made in the 1950s.



Franzese was made a captain in 1962.

Only a handful guys were made with the NY Families in 1940s. And most of them were NJ based.

HairyKnuckles, I was told Benny Mangano was made way before the 1970's.

Early 80"s.... Vince really was on the fence with this one...Only agreed because Benny pushed to have jb made !!

Source?

Well, we have to stick by what we know and not stray away from what is documented. Several informants, Valachi included, said the books were closed in early 1930s and reopened in early 1950s. Still, some guys were let in. Ralph Salerno (NYCPD expert on LCN) is of this opinion. And Bill Bonanno said although the books were closed "handful of guys were let in". How much is a handful? 10? 20? We don´t know. The only documentation we´ve got is Gyp DeCarlo admittingly saying (he was being tape recordered) that he, Boiardo, Catena and other Jersey guys were made in or around 1947. There really is no other documentation, at least not to my knowledge, we can lean on. And there is absolutely no evidence saying tons of guys were being made in the 1940s.

Great thread and good info HK!

I believe at least one FBI source said Genovses members Al Ross and Patsy Erra were allegedly inducted during the 1940s. If this is accurate, it's likely there were more inductees during this period.

(Mind you, the source could have been confused about the dates and the real induction date was early 1950s which we know members were being inducted.)

As for when Mangano and Cirillo were inducted, Valachi is a pretty reliable source about the Genovese Crime Family membership in 1963 and he never included them on his list of members(as far as I can recall).

Besides Quiet Dom was a protege of the Pagano Bros who were only just made themselves before the books were closed.

Agreed on all accounts. Just for the record though, I´m not disputing the fact that new recruits were made in the 1940s. But they were not many of them. It was later, in the 1950s, the five Families made tons of them.

Regarding Al Ross and Patsy Erra, I think I´ve seen that document. It said that the two of them were given contracts and promises of getting made. But somehow the two of them managed to botch the hit. They were made anyway because they were very much liked by the higher ups.

Cirillo was sponsered by Joseph Pagano in 1976. This may explain Cirillo´s closeness to Pagano´s son Danny.

@ Zavattoni, I know that you´ve been told that Mangano was made way before the 1970s. I have read this thread from the top. My info however is that he was made in 1972. Let´s just agree to disagree.

Checking Erra's FBI file might help to clear up things. It looks to me that he was sharing confidential information with the FBI before his death. Perhaps he sheds light on the Genovese Family policy about new recruits in the 1940s. Best regards, Ed

Great thread

According to the Cafaro senate disposition Salerno was a soldier in 1952. As in made.

For those keeping score.

Albert Gallo. Punchy illiano franzese persico.
migliore furnari
Grammuata conte locascio
Not sure about genovese. Don't know exactly
When books were closed and they could have
Been made when books were closed. Supposedly
Gerry Lang was made when books were closed

Anthony casso and vic amuso were made in spring of 1974..casso was 32.christie tick in 1962,nino gaggi 1960..it's a shock to me that anthony spero was made in 1977,he was around 50.

Where did you learn that may I ask?

Not a criticism, Im unaware when he was made but assumed before then.

Geez...how many times does this need to be repeated? Albert Gallo and Punchy were both made in 1976 or 1977. Both of them switched their affiliations after the Joey Gallo hit and were probably proposed by Toddo Marino or Gigante. This is not a personal attack on you Christy, but I´m sick and tired of having to explain this all the time. Welcome to the boards.

Jerry Lang was made in 1976. Don´t believe his wiki page saying he was "sneaked in" in 1960s or whatever. No such thing somebody being "sneaked in". It doesn´t work that way. Vito Genovese was made in the 1920s, his brother Mike in the 1950s (possibly 1954).



What is your source on Furnari being made in 1962, Gaggi in 1960? I don´t know if you´ve read this thread from the top or just spontaniously posted what hastlily crossed your mind, but the books were closed in the 1960s.

Spero was 48 when made. Why is that sucha shocker? Many guys where mde in their 50s. Al Embarrato was 66. Joe Gentile was 69!

EDIT - Christy, I retract the welcome. Just noticed you have posted before under a different alias.

Yes dominick montiglio sad that his unce was made in 1960 after the james squiliante hit,that's in the murder machine..not to sure about christie tick,but i read that also i wouldn't make it up..casso was made in 74,in that time the books were closed.explain that.

The Casso info on being made in 1974 comes from Philip Carlo´s dreadful book. A major part of it should not be taken seriously. Casso was made in 1976, this according to FBI documents. I´m sure you are not making stuff up. I just read Furnari´s wiki page and there is a reference of him being made in 1962. You probably got it from there. But the reference is unsourced. Don´t automatically believe stuff to be true just because it´s on MafiaWiki, especially if it´s something that can not be traced back to a reliable source.

Ok no problem,so non of the lucchesse's were made in 1974 when tony corallo came to power?i tought they made some guys in'74 and that casso was one of them..what's up with carlo why would he make things up?? when was then christie made?

In 1972, the five Families were allowed to make two new guys each. Off the top of my head, the Gambinos made Tommy Gambino; the Colombos made Allie "Boy" Persico and possibly Chubby Rosillo; the Genoveses made Benny Mangano (possibly). In 1974 they made Vincent Cafaro, Patsy Genese and possibly Tino Fiumara. I don´t know who the Luccheses made (and if they did). But in any case, Casso was not one of them.

Furnari was probably made in the late 1950s, before the books were closed.

Yes that's what i read somewhere,so you think that casso was not one of them,that has more logic than casso being made at 30.who was the other gambino guy being made?

I read somewhere that Daniel Marino was made in the 1960's because of his close association with his Uncle, Carmine Lombardozzi. Is this true? Marino would have been in his 20's.

Don't forget Nick Bianco Hairy, remember we both found a source that Patriarca got him made in New York in the 60's even though the books were closed.

That's unlikely. Lombardozzi was out of favour with the Gambino Family hierarchy for much of the 1960s for various misdeeds. Marino was also implicated in the attack on the FBI agent which soured Carlo Gambino on the Lombardozzi crew.

He died two years ago and not really heard of, but Daniel Cilenti was made in the Genovese Crime Family in 1947. He was always a low level soldier, until he died in 2012. This means he was a soldier for at least 65 years.

PB, Do you know about this guy?

So he was made when he was 19....Does anybody know who and at what age the youngest guy was to ever be inducted into a family?

A lot of people say the youngest ever made guy was Harry the hunchback riccobene . Made at 17 , not sure how much truth is in that though

I mentioned this in another thread:

"I suppose it could be true that some were made into the five Families in the 1960s. But I´ve never seen any documentation of this. (The only exception being Nicky Bianco in 1963, but that was due to special circumstances.)"

This is maybe off topic,but where do the most sucesfull,secretive,smartest and toughest mafia members come from?i know this is probably a bad tread for you guys from NY,but it is very intrasting for us over in europe.. if you look at the number one family today it's east harlem/bronx,but if you look at the gambino's pre gotti it's south brooklyn and maybe little italy..what do you guys think,help appritiated (please don't mind my speeling errors)

No hairy I never posted under a different alias. Also
I know that Gallo and Illiano switched to the genovese
In 76 but they weren't made by profaci before the books were
Closed. Also it's not surprising that spero was made late
It seems the whole bonanno clan was made in 77
Except of course the old timers under joe

Thanks Dom74 for the reply....He was one crazy SOB.

Gotcha. I didn't see it so that's why I mentioned it here. Have always enjoyed your posts

^^^ Thank you DM. Same here with your posts.

I believe Vincent Aloi and his brother Benny Aloi were inducted by Joe Profaci in the late 50's. They would have been in their 20's.

anyone know when greg scarpa was made? was he was made in the profacis before columbo? the reason I say this is because he was a snitch for 30 years. so he must have been awful young when made,

Scarpa I believe was made in the late 1950's. It is the only thing I can think of, that he would have more knowledge then most informants in the 1960's about the Profaci family and some things on the other New York families at the time. He was close to both Colombo and Persico during those years. I believe Vincent Aloi was made during the mid 1950's, and Benny was made in the late 1950's.

that's sounds about right for scarpa, so, he was young when he was made. he was born in 1928, so, he was maybe 20-21
that's pretty young to be made.

I was made in 1965. Preparations began 9 months prior and were facilitated by my mother and father.

Binnie u take pride in your math,do you??

im probally wrong again. im right about 35- 40% of the time.

He was 31,30 probablly younger.Nice one Binnie

well, I got an excuse. im elderly. lol

Binnie, I found this,

"Criminal Beginnings

Born in Brooklyn, New York, on May 8, 1928, Gregory Scarpa was the second of five children born to Italian immigrants. At the young age of 7, he was forced into working with his father as a coal deliveryman. The hard labor gave Greg an itch for a better life for him and his family—a life he saw being lived by the local mobsters.

Greg's older brother, Sal, was the first Scarpa to hook up with mob associated, and Greg followed his coattails. By the age of 17, he was strong and street-smart, and he was noticed by local mobster Charlie LoCicero of the Profaci crime family.

Before long, Greg Scarpa was taking part in the mob rackets, loansharking, bookmaking and extortion, in turn earning a vicious reputation for brutally enforcing any unpaid debts. In the early 1950s, Scarpa took the final step to become a made man—he "made his bones" by killing an anonymous mark on a Brooklyn street".
http://www.biography.com/people/greg-the-grim-reaper-scarpa-21370585#synopsis

According to Scarpa himself,he was made in 1951.Very relliable source,and a great guy told me that.

That's pretty much the early fifties Alex.

Yes it is,i didn't say you were wrong.Just gave the specific year.The early 50s is also '52,'53 maybe even '54.

Sorry guys about this but it looks like the only guy who was actually made before the books were opened in 1976 is Carmine Persico´s brother Alphonse. The rest of them were most likely made in 1976 or later. Vincent Cafaro said that he was made together with Patsy Genese in El Cortile Restaurant on Mulberry Street in 1974. Cafaro must have been wrong about the year because El Cortile did not open until 1975. And before that, the place was a bedding store, not a restaurant. Scratch all those names and years except Persico´s.

I returned your email yesterday, HK.

Yep...I saw it buddy.

Aniello "Neil" Migliore is another old-timer that's still around.

On November 15, 1957, Migliore got into a car accident outside Apalachin the day after the roundup. He may have been picking up Tommy Lucchese and Carmine Galante.

HK, I always thought Tommy Gambino was made under Castellano, not Carlo?

"HK, I always thought Tommy Gambino was made under Castellano, not Carlo?"

You are most probably right. Carlo was not keen on making new members, although the ones made in early 1976, were made while he was still alive. I guess he had to.

Ice storm can't leave the house. Anyhow read them scarpa FBI files he told the FBI he was made in 50 or 51 he goes on tell them Larry in Joe hallo were made 57 and had a lot of opposition from other family's from being made. He says Allie persico was specially made when he came home from prison cause of who his family was. Also think there dad was made not sure. Only guy there's a FBI file on nick bianco who was made in the 60 tys as favor to patriarca and Colombo to help in the hallo war. 62 maybe at some eatery in lil Italy.

These names are from research done by Pogo and HK on another site. It's not a comprehensive list but it shows most of the guys still living who were made in the time period specified in the subject:

Vincent Aloi (Colombo)
Vincenzo Asaro (Bonanno)
Lawrence Dentico (Genovese)
John Franzese (Colombo)
Mario Gigante (Genovese)
Stephen Grammauta (Gambino)
Frank Locascio (Gambino)
Louis Manna (Genovese)
Charles Panarella (Colombo)
Carmine Persico (Colombo)
Salvatore Profaci (Colombo)
Anthony Scotto (Gambino)

Pogo claimed that Asaro was made in the sixties but didn't cite a source. More than likely he was made in the seventies but I still included him here.

Excellent post Pmac! I wonder why the Colombos were allowed to make Alphonse Persico in 1972, but not the other NY Families? Perhaps it´s not a question of permission but rather of choise.



Just to make sure...the Vincenzo Asaro mentioned above is not Vincent Asaro who was recently indicted, but Vincent´s uncle.

^^^ The Vincenzo Asaro listed above was probably made in Montreal, while hiding out from a murder charge I believe it was. I don´t know when he died. I would think he is dead by now (he was born in 1919).

scarpa tells a lot on allie boy the second he got out of prison, sad part is scarpa brother did a lot of time in state prison with allie like 10+yrs. you think about it Colombo gets brain dead in 72 carmine snake gets locked up but basically is next in line after Colombo. scarpa tells the fbi allies always around funzi teri and carlo Gambino all wh live in Brooklyn probably doing there dirty work like his brother did before. so your friends with them 2 heaviest weights in bk at the time I think they can let you join the club when ever they want. it a guess who did hes induction maybe aloi the father?

Would Aniello Migliore be added to this list, since he's still living and was made sometime in the late 50's?

I don´t know the exact date of Allie´s induction but in 1972, Vinny Aloi was the acting boss until he got indicted (same year). Then for a brief time, there was a combination of John Oddo and Joey Brancato at the helm (also in 1972) before Tommy DiBella became acting boss (also in 1972). So I don´t know who actually made him.

It is said that Migliore was made in the 1950s, but that has actually never been confirmed. I think Pogo did not include him on the list because of this very reason.

think with so many soldiers back then no way would neil mig be driving bosses to the biggest meeting at the time, no one else there that day wasn't a made guy. we heard scarpa say he was made at 21 22. frank locasico was caught on tape saying he was made in 54 at 21 or 22 yrs old. back then thinkyou got made a lot younger cause it was when white men started having familys at 18 19 so by 24 you were a lot more mature then a 24 today. wasn there storys neil was in there run for boss of that family with tony ducks or tony wanted him in the admin but he passed. he was tommy luchese driver to I think I read. don't think he would have a unmade guy driving in the 60tys.

Yes u r right,back then by 25 u were a man,Aniello was made in 1939 and Big paul in 1940.Read somewhere that Carmine galante was mafe in 1926.lol

It is documented that Migliore drove participants to the Apalachin meeting but never attended the meeting. However, there is no documentation of Migliore being made at the time. He was a well known "hoodlum" by the FBI but never listed as a made guy on any of their charts from the 1960s. I´m sure that as a well known "hoodlum" with known ties to those Apalachin participants, the FBI must have asked informants about his status.

What year was Salvatore Profaci inducted? Is this Sal Profaci the son of Joe Profaci. He would have had to be inducted young because he was born in the mid 30's.

Farby got made in between, too. There's no doubt in my mind.

Migliore was a capo in the early 70's so I'd put money on him being made before the books were closed, he was a massive earner at a young age.

AlexH, Migliore was on his way picking up Lucchese and LaSalle.

wondering who was opposed to the gallos getting made, and why?

A NY Times article from 1976 that i read said that Carlo was trying to keep the books closed but in his final year when he was really sick he finally relented after being pressured by the other families and agreed to let each of the 5 NYC families make 10 new members.

The article was reprinted in another paper

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1346&dat=19761020&id=9-4vAAAAIBAJ&sjid=wvoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7249,5637788

^^^ That´s a good find Benny!

The article above makes the interesting claim the the Gambino crime family began from a core of 150 members, grew to about 500 members by 1976, and had a high rate of intermarriage, such that many were fourth or fifth cousins.

The article also claims that after Carlo's death, his blood relatives were concentrated around Paul Castellano, and the non-blood relatives in a second group around Dellacroce. So instead of the white-collar/blue-collar rift, we have a blood relative/non-blood relative rift.

I wanted to get this thread restarted back up because i have a few names I believe could have been Made in the 1960's. Both from the Colombo Crime Family.

Andrew Mush Russo, I believe he was made in the Mid to late 60's. Is this true, especially since it's said that he was Acting Underboss in the early 70's?

Ralph Lombardo, I dont know if he's still alive, or even active, but it's certainly possible he was made in the late 50's or somewhere in the 60's. He was released from prison in 2006.

Anyone know about these two or have any information on potential active or retired guys who were Made in the 1960's or Before?

Zav I read in the scarpa files Carmine inducted all those guys in secret without the other family's OK and he introduce them to the other families the second the books got open. Since hk ain't posting no more I probaly be the only one. There was a special ceremony or some shit in early 70tys for Carmine brother Allie who was close to funzi and Carlo. This all in the scarpa files. But I betting Jerry lang and Andy Russo were inducted the first go round when the books open in the 70tys. I think maybe at the earliest 74 for some of the 5 family's. I think genovese took a couple years off and open back up in 74.

The Fish was made in '74, Farby a year or two before him. That's strictly word of mouth, and I believe it to be true. Of course, I can't provide a link or an FBI file. But it is what it is. Everyone is entitled to draw their own conclusion, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

That's why I don't argue about this subject (guys getting made on the sneak during the "hiatus"). Because if I know in my heart that something's true, what's the point in arguing? I couldn't care less what other people choose to believe (but I mean that respectfully).

If Mathew Madonna didn't go to jail would he have been made sooner?

He got made in the late 90's right? I'm sure if he didn't get all that prison time, He would have been made atleast 30 years earlier.

Either way he has totally wasted his life

So on YouTube they have a recording of massino against basciano. It's a treasure trove of info. 2 made guys a year and can replace any guy who died. It's real hard to hear and being interested I wanted to here this should be a thread on its own but I don't no how to start one. Massino says the book were open in 1975 but he passed and didn't want to join but changed his mind in 77 cause rusty was in jail. He says rusty goes to jail in 76 so Carmine galante were on the street together from 74 till76.

Pmac post that shit

Furnari was released from prison in 1956 from a rape charge then made in 1957 after spending the previous 10 years in prison?

Yes he was probally pre Apalacian,he was capo already in the early 60s..It was early 60s late 50s,when he opened the 19th hole bar..He was supposedly from the Navy Yard,where a lot of Lucchese members were from.

Gunna restart this old topic. Feel free to post some living mobsters who were made in the 1960's or before!

I'm going to add Joseph Yacovelli. He has long since retired, but may be alive. He was made in the 1950's in the Profaci/Colombo Crime Family, Was Consigliere for Joseph Colombo in 1970 at age 41. http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=821004#821009