FBI misinformation, how and why they use it

Most people who have an interest in such things, (apparently except for a few FBI worshipping boy scouts) fully realize that misinformation is a time tested tool of the FBI, and most all law enforcement agencies. The FBI has used misinformation in both public and internal documents for nearly 60 years. For those who don’t know, it has two primary functions
1. A way to detect leaks
2. A way to generate chatter among those they have under surveillance
Here is how detecting leaks works;
The FBI creates an internal classified document that is distributed to certain sections, departments and individuals. It is totally false and manufactured. If the contents or subject of the document is ever discussed outside the agency, since there is no truth to it, BINGO, someone leaked it and they have it narrowed down to those who had access to the document.
Here is how the creation of chatter works.
Again, the FBI creates a document, this time public, the same things everyone has seen on the internet.
They will publish something as ridiculous as for example, Chicago having 28 made members, something some people in these very forums have swallowed hook, line and sinker.
Make no mistake, wise guys love their own press and they read these things. Inevitably this creates chatter among those both on and off the list, and when they talk, the FBI listens.
This is why what the FBI publishes about OC in public places should not only be taken with a grain of salt, it should be disregarded all together

1. To influence the highly prestigious INTERNET FORUMS like gangsterbb, a known site used by made guys. Frank Cali has a handle in fact and uses it collect intelligence.
2. To help a google gangster named "The Arm" write complete nonsense that nobody buys.

"Using the term "Nobody" is the eqivilant of saying "everyone" which is a sure sign of both stupidity and mental illness....grow up son and listen, you might actually learn something

Sounds like the sort of pseudo-intellectual, completely incoherent garbage that I would expect scrawled across a stall in a high school restroom.

Of course it does,I already told you it is clear you are ignorant.
Pretty simple, people who claim to speak for "everyone" are batshit crazy...now why don'y you grow up, stop the thread hijacking and either contribute something useful, or go lick some windows

Where was that claim made? Then again, if you didn't pass out of junior high, you probably take everything as literally as possible.

Additionally, where is that citation that I asked for earlier? I would love to actually read this case that you believe justifies your wild ability to ignore information that doesn't support your case with a simple "SUPREME COURTZ SAID ITSSS"

"Nobody" is "Everybody" inverted short bus....like I said...You are amazingly ignorant
What "citation" short bus?
If you mean the FBI and law enfiorcement going to court for the right to lie and misinform, I posted tghose cases, weeks ago.
Try to keep up..K short bus?

Arm, it's the same way here in NY. They release the most ridiculous press release known to the criminal element... That once again, they're trimming down the LCN troupes in charge of the 5 families of NYC. Who announces such a thing unless you want to drum up business? What purpose would it serve other than to self escalate your importance? Even if they did trim the troupes, which I am sure they have, they're not needed anyway. Over the last decade they've locked just about everyone up, indicted them or recruited them. Not many left out there!
So misinformation or a tactic to drum up business, No difference to me, it's all a crock of shit-filled lies and bullshit so they can climb the corporate gubmint job ladder. Fuck em. I wouldn't believe a word any of them said if they had their hand on top of the Virgin Mary's head while she was standing on a stack of Bible's.
Lastly, anyone talking about things released by the FBI and being listened to by the FBI is going to be the perfect target for another 40-80 man sweep with conviction #s to boot because they will be a bunch of big mouthed imbeciles who drive around in escalades and have shore houses in jersey. Easy fishin. The feds have to actually exercise real police work by veteran agents to score the big fish. They won't be caught by a group of rookie up starters looking to graduate to the terrorism division.

Indeed the landmark case was Frazier v. Cupp, and it involved local police agencies in direct contact with suspects, but later the Ashcroft justice department ruled it applied to media and press releases as well. It was challanged in Drumm vs USDJ and the high cort refuse to over rule a circuit court decision supporting the Justice departments position.
A great example of how this worked was with Gatti and Gravano. The FBI higly overstated Sammy the Bull's construction influnce in it's public press releases. gatti is heard on actual FBI tapes referencing this and saying...top paraphrase.."he has all these fucking businesses, where is my cut" ?

If you believe that these Law Enforcement agencies DON'T use misinformation techniques then your pretty naive.

Exactly, I can not even belive there are those who apperently follow crime and law enforcement as a hobby that don't know or are surprised by this.

Again, because you didn't make it out of junior high, you seem to take everyone as literally as humanely possible. This "inversion" stuff sounds like it comes straight out of a nut hut.

Nobody suggests that. Merely that it with the conjunction of indictment and court dockets is on average more reliable than a self-professed internet mobster that selectively ignores information when it doesn't suit him.

Does this mean he takes no one as literally as humanely possible?

Honey..please tell me you are educated enough to know what "Inverted" means ???
If you claim that "Nobody" agrees with person A, then you are claiming to speak for "Everybody", which as we have already established, is what is clicially called Delusional, and commonly called Batshit

I figured it out after you posted that picture of yourself.

Oh, and if you ever need nothing, I'm totally here for you.

In don't not need nothing, and nobody else does either, everybody agrees with that, becuse nobody said so
Everyone agrees, becase two people think so
Nobody goes there, becuse it's too crowded, and everyone goes there becuse it's always dead and there is no waiting
(Kookoo Kookoo Kookoo)
Sorry but people who talk in absolutes to bolster themselves and and try to create the illusion, or delusion that they represent anyone who matters, are especially intelectually annoying

This.

Why would I NOT ignore, or at least question, information which by the sourses own admission, may well be false?
Why is this so hard to understand.
I don't have an agenda, I know what I know which is not everything, far from it, my point is here, that to depend on a source whos own authors openly admit are laced with lies, borders on the retarded

Arm, I'm trying as HUMANLY possible as I can to be patient with you but your constant flamings are becoming a problem. Either tone it down yourself or it will be done for you. No more warnings.

You're taling to Little Nickey right?
Since he was the one who hijacked the thread and turned it into a flame war?

No. I'm talking to you, Arm.
Just stop it.

Oh...LOL
Stop being better at flaming than the one who hijacked the thread started it?
Ok...will do
I forget how to put people on ignore...can you remind me how please?

Arm is now a staple of this forum. Terminating His membership would be foolish

I really hope your joking.

Thank You.
There are actually only like 5 guys (or "everyone" as some call it) who insist on making every post about ME, I never thought I would be that important.
I would think they would spend half the energy trying to debunk what I say, (since they are so sure I am wrong)Instead of "Nu uh your wrong" with absolutely no attempt to refute, followed by childish flaming and pretending I didn't prove my clams and statements.
In this thread I pointed out how and why the FBI and other agencies use misinformation, If I got something wrong or left something out, perhaps these folks would want to point that out.
I would think SC would agree with that

Arm makes a point.

Authorities whenever indicting say "this person is the most important person...he is the boss..." in efforts to make person seem more scary/deadly and also cause getting a conviction will seem like a bigger deal (we got the boss not just a soldier!).

He plays by the rules or he's gone. Like anyone else.

He's get a week off to think about it.

You forgot the rest of that sentence, so I fixed it for you.

oooo I see what you did there.

Why shouldn't the FBI use misinformation, the mainstream media and Obama administration use it every day.

Exactly.

People don't get to dismiss what the feds say whenever it pleases them and use "FBI misinformation" as their excuse.

And relying on only what the FBI lets you know, if correct, is simple minded to say the least. Unless that is you are a FED??? An internet poster who is "in the know" or "from the area" has just as much right to comment on these boards with their information as you FBI wannabes do when you quote the FEDS. If your not a FED, how do you know its the truth? It goes both ways. Form your own opinion based on the information you are aware of.

I agree with you SP but why would a connected guy be on an internet forum discussing mob topics? isn't that kind of a form of snitching?

This is kind of a fruitless debate but as a professional historian and archivist my best advice would be to check each fact, whether its from the FBI or from the "streets", against existing information and, most importantly of all, use your own judgment.

Those that do this can get a good idea of which statements are misleading and which statements are not supported by a ton of fact - only conjecture.

Laugh. Ass. Off.

That tickled me slumpy.

The FBI CIA MI5 MI6 KGB FSB ISI GRU ALL TELL LIES,

they collect intelligence and used it in like this.

http://www.southmilwaukeenow.com/blogs/communityblogs/247171111.html

New Snowden Leak: Documents Expose Government False Flag Internet Strategy

Kristan T. Harris | The Rundown Live

New Edward Snowden leaks have surfaced showing us how American intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online behavior even going to the extremes of setting people up using what the GCHQ calls ”Honey Traps“. They then go on to force you into behavior you may not otherwise of been involved in and use the information to discredit American patriots who oppose the current establishment.

Glenn Greenwald who leaked the information has stated:

“Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on four classified GCHQ documents presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance. Today, we at the Intercept are publishing another new JTRIG document, in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations”.

The files (below) show how shill agents infiltrate the internet to manipulate, stage and attempt to corrupt reputations. Is it ok for the NSA to use tax payer dollars and technology that was intended to prevent foreign attacks to discredit American citizens? Are these extreme tactics of deception by our government honorable?

These documents show how the GCHQ trains and engages in “false flag operations” to purposely deceive and set individuals up.

The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operation

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New Snowden Leak: Documents Expose Government False Flag Internet Strategy
Posted by Kristan Harris on Feb. 25, 2014
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Kristan T. Harris | The Rundown Live

New Edward Snowden leaks have surfaced showing us how American intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online behavior even going to the extremes of setting people up using what the GCHQ calls ”Honey Traps“. They then go on to force you into behavior you may not otherwise of been involved in and use the information to discredit American patriots who oppose the current establishment.

Glenn Greenwald who leaked the information has stated:

“Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on four classified GCHQ documents presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance. Today, we at the Intercept are publishing another new JTRIG document, in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations”.

The files (below) show how shill agents infiltrate the internet to manipulate, stage and attempt to corrupt reputations. Is it ok for the NSA to use tax payer dollars and technology that was intended to prevent foreign attacks to discredit American citizens? Are these extreme tactics of deception by our government honorable?

These documents show how the GCHQ trains and engages in “false flag operations” to purposely deceive and set individuals up.

The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operation.

I've always said that one should consider all available information. But you talk as if official information from the feds and chatter on these forums hold equal weight. They don't. Not even close. Especially when one considers how many posers and pretenders we've seen come and go over the years. Look no further than the guy who started this thread as a good example.

And, by the way, deferring to the feds in no way makes one an "FBI wannabe." It simply shows common sense, good judgement, and a lack of gullibility that have plagued too many suckers on the boards.

Why would the Feds release the most up to date and correct info they have? Makes no sense to me...they don't want us to know what they are up to. They have a reason for everything they do and you don't know that reason. They do what they want. I think you have to be pretty gulliable to believe everything the FBI puts out. Now I think I am hearing you say that you don't believe everything. Good for you.

Also, There have been guys on these forums who have given solid info and would know more about whats currently going in their city then what the Feds put out for you to read.

And its pretty easy to spot a "poser or pretender" as you call it. And Its pretty easy to ignore them as well. I have called out the likes of them myself so don't make it as if I am comparing some of these clowns who pretend to be "in the know" and say it holds equal value to what the Feds put out. I'm not doing that. But not everyone is a poser trying to be "cool" on an internet forum.

Stop making up straw-men positions only to attack them. Nobody has ever advocated the position "WE SHOULD BELIEVE EVERYTHING THE FBI PUTS OUT".

Ivy was absolutely clear. On average, a mix of FBI information, indictments and court information, along with a health dose of skepticism is more useful than pretend wise guys on the forum board. For example, I published on this board some FBI affidavits and wiretaps in the nicky jr trial that provided some interesting information on Amuso, Nicky Jr and Nicky Sr. It all came for court dockets. Then again they might be putting out "misinformation" on criminal court cases that the US Attorney's Office must prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

By and large there have been very few issues in the last 20 years where all these sources of information got OC information radically wrong. Then compare it to the dime-a-dozen TheArms running around the internet.

Nice "inversion".

Everybody on these forums...and I mean everybody...is dependent on the feds for the majority of their information about the mob (whether via indictments, articles, etc.) including in their own city. And while they certainly don't put out everything they know, what they do put out has been proven to be correct the vast majority of the time. They have a much better track record than the so called insiders on these forums.



I would agree with the first part of this sentence, though the posters who have given solid info not mixed with their own guesswork or assumption are few and far between. The second part of your sentence isn't true at all.



It's easy for those of us who have been on these forums a long time and know the signs. Though not as many as before, there are still plenty of posters on these boards who are too easily duped.



Couldn't have said it better myself.

Nicky, did you post this just to pat yourself on the back? You found some wiretaps...good for you pal...Your grasping at staws with your example as you know I was not talking about evidence in a court case....but I think you knew that.

Ivey, We have done this before...not going to do it again. We have different views on the FBI and on OC. As I have stated before, I don't discredit everything about the FBI but I just can't stand when you FBI guys discredit everything else and act like they are never wrong. Or that they don't give you wrong info on purpose. Or when you all just discredit anyone who may know something the FBI hasn't put out yet. I know when to ignore and not waste time fighting

And...again...its not hard to tell who a "poser" is. Little Nicky hasn't been on these boards forever and he is calling out TheArms. Its not hard.

I am very infrequent poster on the gangster bb. I used to think I was somewhat of an "OC expert"! I have a library of Mafia and other organized crime books. I have a treasure trove of Mafia movie DVDs ( and other related groups ). Whenever I would travel to a big city,
( which was often ), I would seek out the "Little Italy sections" and other known mafia enclaves, and engage the locals to learn all I could. Once I joined this forum about a year or so ago, I realized just how little I really do know! I rarely post, because I often feel out of my league. I'm in awe of the knowledge guys like Ivy, Pizzaboy, Little Nicky and many others have. I am grateful for the info I learn from everyone. I just have to say, that guys like Arm, and many others like him, only serve to get in the way of the enjoyment, and education for guys like me! I can spot a bullshitter a mile away, and if there are any made or connected guys on any of these links, I doubt they conduct themselves with the ignorance of guys like The Arm, among others! Just thought I would put that out there, for what it's worth! Thanks guys!

The point is mob, you are making up positions in order to argue with them. Ivy has never said it is gospel. The question is never "is using government information present in public and courts" perfect? The question is what is the alternative. The alternative is knowing completely nothing and relying on anecdotes from personal experience.

I would still be interested in finding an example where the FBI or us attorney office information, presented both publicly and in court about the mafia, has proven to be massively wrong over the last 20 years. It's hard to talk about an issue in abstract without actual named incidents. And the secondary question should be was it malicious or the result of mistake.

The only one that is a "poser" here is a guy claiming to be a high level associate of the Buffalo crime family in the 90s. I never claimed to be mafia connected at all or making argument from personal knowledge, beyond having some research interest in the subject.