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Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal

Posted By: mike68

Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/19/13 05:41 PM

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/laval-shooting-related-to-organized-crime-police-1.1599463

Funny, I was just thinking that things had been quiet up there for a little while, nevermind!

Roger Valiquette is the victim.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/19/13 05:52 PM

is the last name Italian or French? also is vito the last lcn member alive up there im not talk the camorra or nghretta cant spell the last one. wonder if he makes guys in.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/19/13 06:01 PM

It's like the 80s up there lol
Posted By: TonyBoy117

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/19/13 06:11 PM

I believe Vito, Rocco Sollecito, Vincenzo DiMaulo, Domenico Manno, Francesco Arcadi, Tony Mucci, Antonio Volpato, Emmanuelle Ragusa and possibly some Cotroni's still are Bonnano members
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/19/13 06:19 PM

Vito is at it again , I bet desjardins is happy he is locked up , he will be top of rizzutos hit list
Posted By: moneyman

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/19/13 06:44 PM

I'd be interested to know, from people in the know about Montreal, is this all connected to Rizzuto killing people for betraying him?

With so many OC connected murders lately up there it makes me wonder , maybe this "whole getting back at Desjardins" theory is wrong and something else is going on… I mean why all the risk just to prove a point? I guess he did kill his father and son and Rizzuto just does not give a F.
Posted By: Antonio

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/19/13 06:53 PM

If he's like the mafiosi back in Italy then I reckon it is simply as you stated, because his family were wiped out and like any down to heart Italian mafioso would definitely want to get back at the people responsible.

The Americans don't even kill rats anymore, I mean I really think although it may benefit them in the long run, it does set a bad example. In Italy you wouldn't hear of any mafia letting something like that happen and just forget about it.
Posted By: mike68

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/19/13 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: pmac
is the last name Italian or French? also is vito the last lcn member alive up there im not talk the camorra or nghretta cant spell the last one. wonder if he makes guys in.


Valiquette is very French. He was an associate of Desjardins. It's been mentioned countless times in the past that Montreal has at the very least distanced itself from their Bonanno affiliation. They are definitely there own family at this point in operation.
Posted By: mike68

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/19/13 07:03 PM

Originally Posted By: moneyman
I'd be interested to know, from people in the know about Montreal, is this all connected to Rizzuto killing people for betraying him?

With so many OC connected murders lately up there it makes me wonder , maybe this "whole getting back at Desjardins" theory is wrong and something else is going on… I mean why all the risk just to prove a point? I guess he did kill his father and son and Rizzuto just does not give a F.


Because of the laws (particularly a lack of RICO in Canada), the 'risk' you ask about is a whole lot less than in the U.S.
I think that this is definitely Vito adopting a scorched earth policy to anyone who tried to hurt his family and organization. He is getting guys everywhere, Gallo in Mexico, Calauti in Ontario (rumored to be the gunman that killed his father), Joe Bravo in Italy, Ponytail in prison(unless he took the cyanide on purpose, which is possible, and you can technically blame that on Vito as well). This, at the very least, sends a very powerful message not to f$$$ with his organization while he is living and will cause people to think twice before trying something like that again.
Posted By: moneyman

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/19/13 07:37 PM

Good points, Rizzuto must have a ton of shooters behind him- wonder when this will end- rico or not this is a huge body count. If you had to guess, do you think Rizzuto will be arrested or killed? The guy seems untouchable right now.
Posted By: ForgettableName

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/19/13 08:56 PM

Canada's organized crime laws are a joke, I'd bet he ends up getting busted maybe one more time and at most does a couple years. If he retires in comfort wouldn't be shocked in the least. If I had to guess I'd say eventually the family control gets passed down to his son Leonardo,(Although apparently he has another living son Sebastiano "Lucky" Rizzuto) with people like Francsco Del Balso, Lorenzo Giordano, and Rocco Sollecito's sons serving as the council.

Of course theirs always the possibility that Dominic and Giuseppe Violi as well as the rest of the Calabrians take another shot, but at this point I can't see it happening.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/21/13 03:52 PM

I would not want to be one of Desjardins friends or family. Rizzuto is taking out EVERYONE! I seriously doubt its all coincidental.
Posted By: Scalish

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/21/13 04:09 PM

This is not coincidental.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/21/13 04:33 PM

It will probably never happen, but I would love to see Desjardins flip.
Posted By: antimafia

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/21/13 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: moneyman
I'd be interested to know, from people in the know about Montreal, is this all connected to Rizzuto killing people for betraying him?

With so many OC connected murders lately up there it makes me wonder , maybe this "whole getting back at Desjardins" theory is wrong and something else is going on… I mean why all the risk just to prove a point? I guess he did kill his father and son and Rizzuto just does not give a F.


Originally Posted By: moneyman
Good points, Rizzuto must have a ton of shooters behind him- wonder when this will end- rico or not this is a huge body count. If you had to guess, do you think Rizzuto will be arrested or killed? The guy seems untouchable right now.


moneyman:

You and I may never have another exchange here in the future, so let me express now how refreshing it is to read your posts in this thread. You are sensible. You show the humility necessary to try to understand the violence that both preceded and followed Vito Rizzuto's release from prison. You ask questions rather than assert that each new murder victim in the Montreal area and elsewhere was on Vito Rizzuto's "revenge" list of targets.

Living in Toronto, I feel I'm half a world away from Montreal; feel I'm years away from truly understanding the Montreal mob war. There are a lot of what I like to call headscratchers regarding this war.

A recent case in point: the newest victim, Roger Valiquette, was said to have had close ties to Tonino Callocchia, the man who survived a murder attempt in Laval (immediately north of Montreal) on February 1 of this year. Callocchia was reported to be the brother-in-law of the imprisoned Vincenzo Armeni, a major Calabrian drug trafficker based in the Montreal area who commands a lot of respect in the Montreal underworld for various reasons, including being the nephew of Giuseppe Armeni. Valiquette was considered to be a close associate of Raynald Desjardins. On May 9 of this year, Callocchia was arrested for threatening a woman close to Desjardins. Last month, on November 24, visitation appears to have taken place at the Rizzuto-clan-owned funeral home in Montreal for Ernesta Alvaro Armeni, the mother of Vincenzo Armeni. Vincenzo Armeni's father also appears to have been shown at this funeral home in late December 2006. The death notices for Vincenzo Armeni's parents suggest that Callocchia is not his brother-in-law.

There are many more of these headscratchers.

The reality is that no poster on here entirely knows the motives behind the murders, attempted murders, and kidnappings of the last few years. A sizable majority of us, including me, have followed the war by reading current newspaper articles and the Mafia inc. book published in the Fall of 2010, as well as the book's epilogue published 10 months later. The problem is, you can't claim to understand what is truly going on in this war unless you make the extra effort to find other sources of information, such as the Quebec government's ongoing inquiry into corruption in the construction industry, pronouncements in the media (TV, Twitter, Facebook, etc.) by organized-crime experts, journalists, and authors, older newspaper articles and books, and books and articles that are about another subject (hint: Canadian outlaw bikers and gangs) but yield some significant information about Italian-Canadian crime figures and groups. You also have to challenge and question a lot of what you read, which includes noting when organized-crime experts, journalists, and authors are inconsistent in their interviews, reporting, etc. The Mafia inc. book had so many insights when I first read it, but I now realize the book has too many errors in it for me to consider it a highly valuable contribution to the literature of Canadian organized crime -- the book is still important, but my biggest gripe is that it was not solidly researched.

I don't have any doubt that Rizzuto has ordered the murders of some of the victims who have been killed since he got out last October. If one article from this past Thursday is correct, Rizzuto had Valiquette in his sights because Valiquette and Callocchia had taken over territory that Rizzuto wants back.

You are right to question whether Rizzuto is an untouchable. He isn't. No one is. To believe otherwise is pure foolishness.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/21/13 09:20 PM

Yes I think Rizzuto was involved.

Desjardins is a dead man walking if he ever gets out.
Posted By: RollinBones

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/21/13 10:17 PM

damn, would it be fair to say vito is the most powerful boss in north america?
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/22/13 08:32 AM

@anti mafia:

Very good post. Informative. My thanks.

Though in clarification of your final words, no Vito is not untouchable. But that's not the question which should be asked. The question should be 'who is most untouchable?' And that, well the answer there is almost rhetorical.

Vito is the power, and independent of NY. And though the politics is a combination of the 8 odd Calabrian Ndrangheta clans in Toronto, Italy and Vito's independent family in Montreal, several points are now clear.
Vito is the boss and his conduit to Italy to move cocaine is in his power with the acquiescence and servitude of the Toronto Calabrian clans.

The blood letting is directly or indirectly a settling of scores and reaffirmation of Vito's consolidation of power.

The best hope at a light on the situation is Reynald rolls over. And if he's smart he will as jail nor free air is beyond Vito's reach of retribution.

And regarding whether Vito is the most powerful boss in NA? I think there's little doubt. Vito's international connections, Italian, South American etc, his consolidation of absolute power in Montreal with the acceptance of the Calabrian factions in Montreal, the literal 100's of millions he directly controls with the drug pipe line and a monopoly of construction in Quebec? I don't even see it as a question.
Posted By: moneyman

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/22/13 03:10 PM

Great posts everybody. This stuff is so bonkers, hard to conceptualize as an American, it's like a movie.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/22/13 09:57 PM

Sonny I agree. As far as the "underworld" I think yes Vito is untouchable at this point. He just has too much support to be clipped even though his son and father and brother in law are gone. That shows his power, his whole family (the higher ups I mean) were either killed or switched sides and he STILL came out of prison on top and proved it after Di Maulo was executed in his driveway. The rest of the story has shown in the news how it turned out.

In terms of taking Vito down in the governments eye will all hinge on Raynald, if he flips it will get interesting. But with all the laws in Canada being so weak he could probably be out in 10 even if pegged with murder. It all depends on the evidence against him and who actually pulled the trigger. Honestly I'd like to see what happens if he got out of prison. I think he's a dead man walking if he ever gets out. I think if he doesn't beat this case or if he gets a big sentence then we might see the heat get turned up on Vito.
Posted By: antimafia

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/27/13 05:29 AM

Originally Posted By: antimafia
[snip]

A recent case in point: the newest victim, Roger Valiquette, was said to have had close ties to Tonino Callocchia, the man who survived a murder attempt in Laval (immediately north of Montreal) on February 1 of this year. Callocchia was reported to be the brother-in-law of the imprisoned Vincenzo Armeni, a major Calabrian drug trafficker based in the Montreal area who commands a lot of respect in the Montreal underworld for various reasons, including being the nephew of Giuseppe Armeni. Valiquette was considered to be a close associate of Raynald Desjardins. On May 9 of this year, Callocchia was arrested for threatening a woman close to Desjardins. Last month, on November 24, visitation appears to have taken place at the Rizzuto-clan-owned funeral home in Montreal for Ernesta Alvaro Armeni, the mother of Vincenzo Armeni. Vincenzo Armeni's father also appears to have been shown at this funeral home in late December 2006. The death notices for Vincenzo Armeni's parents suggest that Callocchia is not his brother-in-law.

There are many more of these headscratchers.
[snip]


Two days ago (December 24), Daniel Renaud of La Presse compiled a list of individuals who are potential candidates to replace Vito Rizzuto -- see http://plus.lapresse.ca/screens/4d61-a978-52b8a8da-8089-38adac1c6068%7C.rwjAIzX.m-j.html.

Earlier this year, when Renaud wrote about the failed murder attempt on Tonino Callocchia's life on February 1, Renaud identified Callocchia as someone who sources had said was one of a number of individuals who had sided against Rizzuto. Now Callocchia is seen as a successor to Vito.

Hmm.

#MontrealMafia #headscratcher
Posted By: southend

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 12/27/13 02:00 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
It's like the 80s up there lol


Funny you say that I said the same thing to my brother when we were talking about what's been going on up there in Montreal. Kind of fascinating when you consider what Antonio said because he's right, the Americans don't even kill rats anymore this day in age. But Canada, fuckin a. Vito took out as many of his enemies and those who betrayed him as he could before he passed, and I highly doubt he was finished. Like a narrator in a Rizzuto documentary said the Rizzutos were true mafiosi who believed deeply in the Sicilian tradition of LCN. Nothing like the majority of the American mobsters of today. Very interesting.
Posted By: JohnnyFreakinxmas

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 01/14/14 05:01 PM

Desjardins Prison Break Attempts

It seems Desjardins was itching to get out. I wonder if he is more relaxed now that Vito is flying with the angels.


http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/montreal-underworld-prison-break-plot-uncovered-1.1635709
Posted By: mike68

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 01/14/14 05:14 PM

Originally Posted By: JohnnyFreakinxmas
Desjardins Prison Break Attempts

It seems Desjardins was itching to get out. I wonder if he is more relaxed now that Vito is flying with the angels.


http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/montreal-underworld-prison-break-plot-uncovered-1.1635709


Those knuckleheads must have just watched the Sons of Anarchy season finale. After what went down with Ponytail, he may have felt more safe on the lam than behind bars.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 01/14/14 09:36 PM

I think this is why the article a few weeks back that had the guards worried about transporting him. Now we know why.
Posted By: AntonioRotolo

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 01/23/14 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: antimafia
[quote=antimafia][snip]


Earlier this year, when Renaud wrote about the failed murder attempt on Tonino Callocchia's life on February 1, Renaud identified Callocchia as someone who sources had said was one of a number of individuals who had sided against Rizzuto. Now Callocchia is seen as a successor to Vito.

Hmm.

#MontrealMafia #headscratcher


This Tanino Callocchia angle is definitely interesting. The only thing I could find on Callocchia before the shooting was he was shortly mentioned in the Colisee indictment.

"Balso explains that Saturday , a Tony Callocchia sent him a message and told him that there were problems. He then mentioned the name Pietro , then said Lorenzo followed by " there are problems ." He then issue Colombians
Toronto. Later ARCADI request confirmation that Callocchia called and said DEL balso to the " stuff " was here. Later , he asks where it is claimed that Callocchia and DEL balso meets the third said he had put inside . ARCADI said, and this guy has not sent DEL balso confirms that it has not sent. Further , DEL balso said the word proof tracking get the papers. it
then issue numbers 1500 , 2000, and he said again that there is another 1000 loan. Rocco SOLLECITO then told that another person has paid 1500. Later DEL balso said that something happened during those two weeks , Giuseppe
TORRE said in Boucherville, Rocco SOLLECITO told this place . Thereafter , ARCADI mentions that now it will be out in the Gazette. Rocco SOLLECITO told the newspaper .
Posted By: trophydave

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 03/11/14 08:00 PM

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...s-le-tireur.php

link to footage ( sound gun shoots of attempted hit on desjardins)

looks like desjardins car pulled over first, wonder why?
Posted By: antimafia

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 07/10/17 09:51 AM

Fighting over Valiquette's millions.

La fortune d’un prêteur fort convoitée

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/07/09/la-fortune-dun-preteur-fort-convoitee
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 07/10/17 02:01 PM

Why has it been so quiet since a card I release? Is it because they made him the new boss???
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 07/10/17 04:29 PM

Originally Posted By: thebigfella
Why has it been so quiet since a card I release? Is it because they made him the new boss???


If they made him the new boss I don't think things would've been quiet..
Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal - 07/10/17 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: thebigfella
Why has it been so quiet since a card I release? Is it because they made him the new boss???


If they made him the new boss I don't think things would've been quiet..


Who are you talking about? Desjardins?
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