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Albanian bust in Northeast Philly

Posted By: IvyLeague

Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/24/13 06:38 PM

Feds charge 9 in loan-sharking, gambling operation
Alfred Lubrano, Inquirer Staff Writer
August 23, 2013



Nine members of an Albanian-run gang from Northeast Philadelphia that specialized in loan-sharking and illegal gambling - backed by intimidation with a gun and a hatchet - were arrested Friday morning, federal officials said.

All nine appeared in federal court Friday afternoon in front of U.S. Magistrate Judge Lynne A. Sitarski, who set an arraignment for Wednesday. The men were to be held in custody until then.

The defendants, allegedly led by Northeast residents Ylli Gjeli, 48, and Fatimir Mustafaraj, 41, were indicted on racketeering, extortion, and other charges and are accused of running a criminal enterprise that federal authorities said thrived for more than a decade.

Gjeli, known as Willie, ruled with an iron fist, physically assaulting subordinates and associates, according to the indictment.

Gjeli, who would often search customers for weapons and recording devices, once grabbed a hatchet in one hand and a customer's arm in the other, the indictment said. He then slammed the hatchet onto a table right after the customer had pulled his hand away.

That same customer had placed at least $800,000 in bets with one of the gang members over one 10-month period, the indictment said.

Some of the defendants were charged with lending tens of thousands of dollars at high rates of interest, then threatening to break the arms and legs of anyone who did not pay. In one case, according to the 84-page indictment, a man who placed sports bets with the gang was told that if he did not pay his gambling debts, someone would be sent "to push [his] dad around."

In court, most of the nine appeared in T-shirts, cargo shorts, and flip-flops and did not have lawyers, indicative of their sudden and unexpected arrests at 6 a.m. Friday.

The only defendant with a lawyer present was Gjeli. Before the judge appeared, the lawyer, David Glassman, asked Assistant U.S. Attorney Salvatore Astolfi about various aspects of the case.

"No human trafficking, right?" Glassman asked.

"Right. You want us to add it?" Astolfi responded.

"Oh, no, no," Glassman said.

Later, speaking with a man sitting in the courtroom identified as Gjeli's brother, Glassman said Gjeli would not be released Friday: "Jesus Christ couldn't get him out," Glassman said. The brother held his head in his hands, in obvious distress.

Federal authorities say the men often used the basement of the Lion Bar & Grill, on the 7000 block of Frankford Avenue in the Northeast, to meet with customers. No one from the bar could be reached for comment Friday.

The gang also used other bars, coffee shops, and a pizza place, many of them in the Northeast, authorities said.

Employing cryptic language and using code words such as pizza to describe a loan, the men threatened anyone in their debt that "people from New York" would handle enforcement, the indictment said.

Federal authorities say the operation was active from the late 1990s through this month and involved loans and bets of up to $50,000. One person who received a $30,000 loan from the gang was required to make interest payments of $600 every week, authorities said.

Soccer was one of the sports on which the group took bets, according to the indictment.

If convicted of all charges, Gjeli and Mustafaraj face a maximum sentence of life in prison. The remaining defendants each face a maximum sentence of 20 years.

Charged along with Gjeli were George Markakis, 43; Gezim Asllani, 34; Rezart Rahmi Telushi, 40; Eneo Jahaj, 26; and Ardit Pone, all of Philadelphia; Erion Murataj, 35, of Huntingdon Valley; and Brian Jackson, 35, of Harleysville.

Seven of the nine men are Albanian, and two are American, Astolfi said outside the courtroom.

"This is a violent and corrupt organization that preyed on the community for many years," he said.

The multiagency investigation included the FBI, the Internal Revenue Service, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Pennsylvania State Police, Montgomery County Detectives, and the New Jersey State Police and the U.S. Attorney's Office, which will prosecute the case.

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Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/24/13 06:49 PM

Thanks for posting that Ivy. Can't believe i missed this one, i was on the philly.com site earlier this morning.

Wonder if the guys in south philly know theres Albanians in town taking away business from them?
Posted By: DB

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/24/13 06:50 PM

Seems like they had a nice little operation

Probably $5-$10m + betting volume and maybe $500k shy book

Doubt philly LCN got any tribute but maybe they worked with them in a bookmaking capacity . Interesting they specifically mentioned soccer as that is definately a growth area for books . I live right by Newark and soccer is huge these days
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/24/13 07:03 PM

Besides the Albanians operating in a different part of the city, they probably cater to a different clientele as well.
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/24/13 07:24 PM

I am getting tired of these cops poking there noses around..somebody got to do somethin...
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/24/13 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Serpiente
I am getting tired of these cops poking there noses around..somebody got to do somethin...


What in the hell are you talking about?
Posted By: Scorsese

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/24/13 09:12 PM

Quote:
"No human trafficking, right?" Glassman asked.


why is the lawyer asking that, like he was expecting it.
Posted By: Louiebynochi

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/24/13 09:18 PM

A different clintele??
You mean like where they have a clientele that will gamble 800k in 10months.
Posted By: reginald_denny

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/24/13 09:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Serpiente
I am getting tired of these cops poking there noses around..somebody got to do somethin...
heck yeah we do!
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/24/13 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Thanks for posting that Ivy. Can't believe i missed this one, i was on the philly.com site earlier this morning.

Wonder if the guys in south philly know theres Albanians in town taking away business from them?



i'm sure that they're aware that they can't do shit about the albanians
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: Serpiente
I am getting tired of these cops poking there noses around..somebody got to do somethin...


What in the hell are you talking about?

Yes they should start shooting cops that would teach those nosy cops a leason. rolleyes
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 04:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Louiebynochi
A different clintele??
You mean like where they have a clientele that will gamble 800k in 10months.



A different clientele as in other Albanians. I'm not sure how much Americans really bet on soccer. And if you've paid attention to LCN gambling busts in recent years, they also have big bettors.
Posted By: Scorsese

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 01:04 PM

Is their a sizeable albanian community in philly?

Also i dont think the ny families go around trying to shake down or get involved with evry crime group that happens to be loan sharking so expecting a small weaker ligambi and co to do it is a bit much.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 03:04 PM

Originally Posted By: DB
Seems like they had a nice little operation

Probably $5-$10m + betting volume and maybe $500k shy book

Doubt philly LCN got any tribute but maybe they worked with them in a bookmaking capacity . Interesting they specifically mentioned soccer as that is definately a growth area for books . I live right by Newark and soccer is huge these days


800k in ten months... Best case scenario the top guy took home 80k.... (Unlikely). How succesful of a shy book do they have if they are threatening all these ppl? If these guys are making six figures why do none of them have lawyers or homes out side the city? Booking in pa is wide open
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 03:25 PM

The A.C. area has no five fam. presence around , The Albanians quietly have taken over the oc thing.
Posted By: DB

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 05:14 PM

I agree skinny. My guess is they were bringing in $500k a year at most, spread over 10-15 guys , not much at all . I like reading about these small busts as alot of this stuff is still out there.

I bet soccer sometime , the spread gap is usually big , wonder if the margins are a lil better
Posted By: Louiebynochi

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny
Originally Posted By: DB
Seems like they had a nice little operation

Probably $5-$10m + betting volume and maybe $500k shy book

Doubt philly LCN got any tribute but maybe they worked with them in a bookmaking capacity . Interesting they specifically mentioned soccer as that is definately a growth area for books . I live right by Newark and soccer is huge these days


800k in ten months... Best case scenario the top guy took home 80k.... (Unlikely). How succesful of a shy book do they have if they are threatening all these ppl? If these guys are making six figures why do none of them have lawyers or homes out side the city? Booking in pa is wide open


800k was from ONE bettor
Posted By: F_white

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 07:12 PM

Any connecting to lcn?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 07:31 PM

Doesnt seem to be any, different part of town, and like ivy said different clientel.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 07:51 PM

I didn't even know there was Albanian oc in philly. I know a bunch of russians, a few are in the jewelry biz but never heard about any Albanian OC guys. Years ago i think there was a crew of them doing high end burglaries. In one job they rented a space above a coin shop or jewelry store....then they went straight down into the walk in vault and got away with a real nice haul. This was back in the 90's. The press said the feds thought it was pro's funding the war in the Balkans. Never heard anything afterwards though and i don't think anyone was ever charged.
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 08:23 PM

And the ones here all have legit income ,And keep to then self well like five fam did 50 and 60s
Posted By: Scorsese

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/25/13 10:34 PM

Originally Posted By: DB
I agree skinny. My guess is they were bringing in $500k a year at most, spread over 10-15 guys , not much at all . I like reading about these small busts as alot of this stuff is still out there.

I bet soccer sometime , the spread gap is usually big , wonder if the margins are a lil better


i dont know much about bookmaking, but you guys are sort of assuming the two top guys paid the help fairly. Also im sort of still a bit puzzled as to why the lawyer asked about human trafficking which leads me to believe these guys probably had other ventures on the side.
Posted By: DB

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 01:48 AM

$500k in earnings

Books only profit maybe 5 % of the total volume bet

I can't see this book being bigger than $5-10m max

Seemed to be a smaller operation but these type of shops are all over

Some shops only have 20-30 bettors
Posted By: Louiebynochi

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 03:11 AM

They had hundreds of players
And 1 of them alone bet AT LEAST 800k in 10months
Posted By: Louiebynochi

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 03:12 AM

Where is Ralph Natale when u need em
Posted By: merlino

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 12:07 PM

2 years ago they had the 2 mastronardo brothers who ran a big time book for the main line folks and in bucks county that wasn't mobbed up and hit the big money people in philly and they got nabbed running it online through costa rica, I am guessing that the albanian clientel and the main line people were different but $800,000 for one person in 10 months is a huge take for any operation
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 01:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Serpiente
I am getting tired of these cops poking there noses around..somebody got to do somethin...

@ Serpiente: You're supposed to take your yellow pill in the morning, your green pill at night. When you mix them up you tend to make posts like this.

I'm only thinking of your well being. Now go have a nice glass of warm milk smile.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 02:31 PM

Same thing happening in Nola, except it's the Russians. Albanians and Russians slowly taking over OC, and the Italians aren't gonna be able to fight back because of the lack of a gene pool to recruit from and the unwillingness to make non-Italians...the Roman Empire is a fallin' gentlemen..
Posted By: cheech

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 02:47 PM

800k in bets from one guy is about 100k in losses
Posted By: Slava

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Same thing happening in Nola, except it's the Russians. Albanians and Russians slowly taking over OC, and the Italians aren't gonna be able to fight back because of the lack of a gene pool to recruit from and the unwillingness to make non-Italians...the Roman Empire is a fallin' gentlemen..


I don't see how they're taking over, they're simply operating in their own communities.

Football/soccer and tennis are btw by far the most popular with European bettors. As far as I know Albanians are more recent immigrants and probably still rather follow European sports than American. Albanians were always big football/soccer fans.

I was always wondering, do Italian-American bookies even offer you to bet on European soccer leagues? I guess they don't know that much about this sport because it's not so popular in America. They would have to copy the odds from someone else or something. Would an American bookie accept some bets on let's say some German 2nd division games even though he knows nothing about those teams and soccer in general?
Posted By: merlino

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Slava
Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Same thing happening in Nola, except it's the Russians. Albanians and Russians slowly taking over OC, and the Italians aren't gonna be able to fight back because of the lack of a gene pool to recruit from and the unwillingness to make non-Italians...the Roman Empire is a fallin' gentlemen..


I don't see how they're taking over, they're simply operating in their own communities.

Football/soccer and tennis are btw by far the most popular with European bettors. As far as I know Albanians are more recent immigrants and probably still rather follow European sports than American. Albanians were always big football/soccer fans.

I was always wondering, do Italian-American bookies even offer you to bet on European soccer leagues? I guess they don't know that much about this sport because it's not so popular in America. They would have to copy the odds from someone else or something. Would an American bookie accept some bets on let's say some German 2nd division games even though he knows nothing about those teams and soccer in general?


THe thing is with the ability to bet through the internet via off shore betting sites can allow any organization to target any ethnic group if they wanted to to because the sites have the odds on every sport if they are diversified enough to try and corner the entire market, I know my guys site is set up to handle all the sports from horse racing to soccer, but he will tell you that obviously this is the time of year with the most traffic
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 04:27 PM

Originally Posted By: merlino
2 years ago they had the 2 mastronardo brothers who ran a big time book for the main line folks and in bucks county that wasn't mobbed up and hit the big money people in philly and they got nabbed running it online through costa rica,

Whats the Mastronardo brothers status these days? Are those guys still up and running? Didn't Joe Vito get prison time? Or was it just another slap on the wrist?
Posted By: Slava

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 06:46 PM

Originally Posted By: merlino
THe thing is with the ability to bet through the internet via off shore betting sites can allow any organization to target any ethnic group if they wanted to to because the sites have the odds on every sport if they are diversified enough to try and corner the entire market, I know my guys site is set up to handle all the sports from horse racing to soccer, but he will tell you that obviously this is the time of year with the most traffic


Why would you go on an off shore betting site connected to American LCN when you have much better offer on Asian betting websites and legal betting sites aren't that bad either (plus with them you at least know that you're going to get your money and that it isn't some kind of scam)? Why would you need a mob to run such site anyway? I don't see how LCN or any mob group in America profits from this. If anything, it makes life much harder for them because there's so much competition. Off shore and illegal online betting sites are good only for OC groups involved in match fixing and similar stuff

It would only make sense to me that these guys copy the odds they see on the internet sites and offer you a bit higher odds on the street.
Posted By: tjonezee

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/26/13 11:54 PM

Lots of Albanians in lower Bucks county (Huntington Valley), and in the northeast. They've mixed in with some of the Ukranian and Russian neighborhoods around Bustelton Ave in the city. It's an extremely poor country with a big underworld presence.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/27/13 12:52 AM

I wish someone would lend me 30k for 2pts a week, wtf ,not bad at all
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/27/13 12:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Serpiente
The A.C. area has no five fam. presence around , The Albanians quietly have taken over the oc thing.


Not true about no Italian presence, not even close
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/27/13 12:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: merlino
2 years ago they had the 2 mastronardo brothers who ran a big time book for the main line folks and in bucks county that wasn't mobbed up and hit the big money people in philly and they got nabbed running it online through costa rica,

Whats the Mastronardo brothers status these days? Are those guys still up and running? Didn't Joe Vito get prison time? Or was it just another slap on the wrist?


He's obvi not getting any type of serious jail time (if any). That being said losing millions is not quite a slap on the wrist lol.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/27/13 02:27 AM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Same thing happening in Nola, except it's the Russians. Albanians and Russians slowly taking over OC, and the Italians aren't gonna be able to fight back because of the lack of a gene pool to recruit from and the unwillingness to make non-Italians...the Roman Empire is a fallin' gentlemen..


The New Orleans family faded away due to attrition before the Russians or Albanians arrived. The Philadelphia family is still there and it doesn't appear these Albanians operated in the same area or were serving the same clientele.

If you've been paying attention, these predictions about these new groups "taking over" haven't really come true. If you go back far enough, you saw the same predictions regarding the blacks in the 1960's. The Colombians in the 1970's. The Chinese in the 1980's. The Russians in the 1990's. And the Albanians over the past decade. Each group stakes it's own claim but no one group has or will become the sole dominant group the way the Mafia was for at least half a century. If for no other reason than American law enforcement is much more on the ball now.

Also, while attrition is certainly the single biggest factor to the demise of the Mafia, I don't think making non-Italians would be beneficial. What trust and solidarity there is remaining in the mob is helped, in part, by members sharing the same ethnic background. It's why most virtually all OC groups work with their own. Besides, the Mafia can benefit just as much from non-Italian associates.

Originally Posted By: Slava
I don't see how they're taking over, they're simply operating in their own communities.


Exactly. It's not so much a matter of Russians, Albanians, or other groups taking a piece of the pie but, rather, the pie simply becoming bigger.

Quote:
Football/soccer and tennis are btw by far the most popular with European bettors. As far as I know Albanians are more recent immigrants and probably still rather follow European sports than American. Albanians were always big football/soccer fans.

I was always wondering, do Italian-American bookies even offer you to bet on European soccer leagues? I guess they don't know that much about this sport because it's not so popular in America. They would have to copy the odds from someone else or something. Would an American bookie accept some bets on let's say some German 2nd division games even though he knows nothing about those teams and soccer in general?


In America the biggest sport for betting, by far, is football. At least 50% of money wagered, I believe. Basketball is second and baseball third. Other things (hockey, boxing, soccer, etc.) would be after that.

Originally Posted By: Slava
Why would you go on an off shore betting site connected to American LCN when you have much better offer on Asian betting websites and legal betting sites aren't that bad either (plus with them you at least know that you're going to get your money and that it isn't some kind of scam)? Why would you need a mob to run such site anyway? I don't see how LCN or any mob group in America profits from this. If anything, it makes life much harder for them because there's so much competition. Off shore and illegal online betting sites are good only for OC groups involved in match fixing and similar stuff

It would only make sense to me that these guys copy the odds they see on the internet sites and offer you a bit higher odds on the street.


First, betting online is illegal in America and some so called "legal" online sites have already been prosecuted.

Second, with the mob bookies, the only thing done online is placing a bet at a website that both the bookie and player can log into and see. No money is exchanged online but is exchanged in person between the bookie and player. Players don't have to worry about depositing their money in some online account and the bookie doesn't need to worry about running a nearby wire room the cops can kick down. And even if the offshore-based internet site does get taken down by law enforcement, a new one is up (with new user names and passwords) in a matter of days.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/27/13 06:03 PM

Ivy so what your saying is you know for a fact that the Albanians didn't take any bets any wheres besides out of north Philly? They only stayed in their ethnic groups? There was no physical way someone could of picked up a phone from south Philly and placed a bet with the Albanians because the Italians are taking so much heat? Your saying you saw where all of their bets were being taken place?

And we can't ignore the fact that any wise bettor would probably stray away from LCN Philly books because of the recent spotlight shown on Ligambi and his betting ring and unwanted attention. I have my doubts on the 800K coming solely from Albanian ethnicity. The fact is that the Albanians probably did take bets from some of the customers that the Italians normally take due to recent legal mishaps.

So respectfully, I do not agree with your ethnicity thesis, for I know books down in Louisiana that take bets from blacks, asians, whites, etc.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/27/13 08:58 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: merlino
2 years ago they had the 2 mastronardo brothers who ran a big time book for the main line folks and in bucks county that wasn't mobbed up and hit the big money people in philly and they got nabbed running it online through costa rica,

Whats the Mastronardo brothers status these days? Are those guys still up and running? Didn't Joe Vito get prison time? Or was it just another slap on the wrist?


He's obvi not getting any type of serious jail time (if any). That being said losing millions is not quite a slap on the wrist lol.

Well i'm sure JV wasn't happy about losing all that money but it's not the first time that has happened and it probably won't be the last. Those guys are mega loaded and probably just consider it the price of doing business. Everytime they get charged they lose major money but then they go right back to what they've done pretty much all their lives...sports betting. The money losses never seem to stop them but i bet a guy like Joe Vito and his brother would think twice about it if they ever got sentenced to some serious time. But they are politically connected so i guess thats not going to happen.

So yes just taking money without prison time is another slap on the wrist as far as Joe Vito and his brother goes.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/28/13 02:24 AM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Ivy so what your saying is you know for a fact that the Albanians didn't take any bets any wheres besides out of north Philly? They only stayed in their ethnic groups? There was no physical way someone could of picked up a phone from south Philly and placed a bet with the Albanians because the Italians are taking so much heat? Your saying you saw where all of their bets were being taken place?

And we can't ignore the fact that any wise bettor would probably stray away from LCN Philly books because of the recent spotlight shown on Ligambi and his betting ring and unwanted attention. I have my doubts on the 800K coming solely from Albanian ethnicity. The fact is that the Albanians probably did take bets from some of the customers that the Italians normally take due to recent legal mishaps.

So respectfully, I do not agree with your ethnicity thesis, for I know books down in Louisiana that take bets from blacks, asians, whites, etc.


Sure, it's possible they took a bet from a guy who's also bet with mob bookies. But look at the number of mob gambling cases over the past decade in Philadelphia and look at the number of Albanian or other gambling cases in Philadelphia. No comparison. The Philadelphia mob doesn't have anything more to fear from these Albanian bookies than the NY mob did from the Rudaj group.
Posted By: ThePolakVet

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/28/13 07:43 AM

I think the only place where the Russians are taking over stuff from the Italians is in Florida.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/28/13 11:15 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Ivy so what your saying is you know for a fact that the Albanians didn't take any bets any wheres besides out of north Philly? They only stayed in their ethnic groups? There was no physical way someone could of picked up a phone from south Philly and placed a bet with the Albanians because the Italians are taking so much heat? Your saying you saw where all of their bets were being taken place?

And we can't ignore the fact that any wise bettor would probably stray away from LCN Philly books because of the recent spotlight shown on Ligambi and his betting ring and unwanted attention. I have my doubts on the 800K coming solely from Albanian ethnicity. The fact is that the Albanians probably did take bets from some of the customers that the Italians normally take due to recent legal mishaps.

So respectfully, I do not agree with your ethnicity thesis, for I know books down in Louisiana that take bets from blacks, asians, whites, etc.


Sure, it's possible they took a bet from a guy who's also bet with mob bookies. But look at the number of mob gambling cases over the past decade in Philadelphia and look at the number of Albanian or other gambling cases in Philadelphia. No comparison. The Philadelphia mob doesn't have anything more to fear from these Albanian bookies than the NY mob did from the Rudaj group.


Yea but my point is it works both ways. The Albanians have no reason to fear the Italians either by encroaching on their territory, Philly LCN has been in steady decline just like every other city in the US. I don't think that the Albanians are worried about getting whacked by Philly LCN just as the Italians aren't worried about getting whacked by the Albanians.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 08/29/13 03:34 AM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Yea but my point is it works both ways. The Albanians have no reason to fear the Italians either by encroaching on their territory, Philly LCN has been in steady decline just like every other city in the US. I don't think that the Albanians are worried about getting whacked by Philly LCN just as the Italians aren't worried about getting whacked by the Albanians.


True, but the original question was whether the Albanians' gambling operation in the city was anything for the mob to worry about. No more than the Chinese running their own gambling parlors in NYC for years being something for the 5 families to worry about.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 09/04/13 06:33 PM

Schratwieser did a fox news video report on the bust on aug 23.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/video?clipId=9232257&autostart=true

Also on Daves twitter page today he said there was an argument between a scarfo guy and a Ligambi guy over gambling pickups.

@FOX29philly Old Scarfo Family fella yelling at Ligambi regime fella @ 12th & Jackson this a.m. Insider: big beef on gambling pick-ups#fox29

https://twitter.com/DSchratwieser

Nothing on the fox news site about it yet but i would think he's probably going to have something up on it later today or tonight.



Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 09/04/13 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: ThePolakVet
I think the only place where the Russians are taking over stuff from the Italians is in Florida.



you forgot about the big apple aka new York
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 09/04/13 07:36 PM

The russians diffiantly are not taking over any rackets from the five families. The ROC in New York has been decimated by law enforcement over the past decade and they really havent been able to gain a foot hold in new york like people were predicting in the 80s and 90s.
Posted By: kiladelphia_pistolvania

Re: Albanian bust in Northeast Philly - 09/04/13 11:56 PM

I live in the neighborhood where these guys were busted and am friendly with the younger generation of the Albanian kids. These guys simply took book amongst there own people. The Georgians, Russians, and Albanians pretty much stick together around here and keep to themselves. They tend to deal within there "people" and its laughable that people think they stole wwagers from the SOUTH PHILLY LCN Family. No way No how. This is North East Philly and These guys (albanians) wouldnt even take your action if you weren't a foreigner who hung around there coffee shop ( russian, Georgian, Albanian ETC.).
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