The Narducci's blind loyalty is riveting

I find it really amazing that Phil and Frank Narducci (jr) were so loyal to the people that killed their father (scarfo, sal testa) and it shows you how brainwashed people can get over this LCN. Testa sat them down and told them that he killed their dad because his dad killed Sal's dad. I find it amazing that they fell in line and each did over 30 years for the man that killed their father. anyone else every find this amazing?

i don't think they had much of a choice lol

Bones- I understand what your saying, they really did not have much of a choice, but I still think they could have just walked away. I know a lot of people think that you cant just "walk away", but at that time Phil Narducci was 17 or 18 and Frank wasnt that much older. I think some people, depending on who the person is walking away would just say good riddance and just keep your mouth shut and live out your life. Hey, Pete Casella got a pass after he killed Phil Testa and was able to walk away and retire down in Florida. He killed a BOSS and still was able to "quit the mob". I just think that its done a lot more than we know and care to think about, we just dont hear about it because a lot of the people who walk away are low level soldiers that have never made a mark in organized crime

I see what you're saying chickenman, but Frankie Jr. was a made guy so if he decided to walk away even without retaliating he definitley would of been killed, and Phil Narducci to just because he was the brother. These two guys grew up in LCN, you think Phil Narducci would just go, "Hey I want to go to school." probably not, that was all he wanted to be so to him basically its "shit happens" for him. And im sure Testa would of killed casella to had the Genovese not giving him a pass.

yeah Bobby i understand. I never understood why they would want to kill a guy who just wants to leave? Junior Gotti did it and so far has not faced retaliation. Mikey Franzese sort of did it (not really). I just feel like them walking away isn't hurting anyone, granted they have a lot of secrets that can hurt the whole organization but for what reason would they hold a kangaroo court and indict him to death just for wanting to walk away and open say a restaurant or something in Nebraska? Just never made much sense to me, wouldn't it be in the best interests of others anyway since they can pick up his rackets where he left off, and even possible loan-shark/shy money?

They never asked who gave order because this is the life they choose.

but sal testa sat them down and told them he was the one who killed their father along with joey punge, and at the time and after that they were all part of that "young executioner" crew with grande and i forget who else. I understand thats the life, but it just seems a little odd that the captain of your crew is the guy who killed your father, and you go do 30 years in jail for the guy who killed and ordered the death of your father. maybe its just me lol

It's twisted no doubt, Philly is just wiered you had the Chang brothers shooting at each other, if this same situation happened in NY or NE they no doubt would of killed Narducci Jr. since he was a made guy, maybe not Phillip since he was so young, but considering he was probably already an associate at the time maybe.

Ya i know the story i was just quoting godfather 2

Guys walk away from the life all the time. It's no secret.

You don't walk away from the life, they let you go. As we all know, that's a life were there has to be daily contact and if you decide to go missing one day, they are either going to think you are cooperating or are dead. I am sure if a guy starts ducking his skipper they are going to be concern and remember the oath they took, when the boss calls you must come. Gotti Jr, just used it as a defense, Michael Franzese they let him, and don't forget he also cooperated. Just my opinion.

Philly is deffinitely twisted your right. I dont understand why they havent made a movie based upon the events they could really twist most of these stories and turn them into movie-soap-opera-esque.

I mean the triple cross with tony bananas and ang bruno,

phil testa,

narduccis,

pete casella getting away with his life,

everything about nicky scarfo,

the murder of rocco marinucci,

Nicky, phil, lawrence being acquitted of MURDER with someone testifying that they were THERE,

the murder of Sal Testa,

the crow and tommy del flipping,

the trial of frankie flowers (and later overturned and acquitall),

the whole casablanca house,

mark scarfo hanging himself,

phil leonetti flipping and his whole story,

nicky jr being shot,

the mayor mike matthews being indicted and found guilty,

john stanfa taking over and the 1993 war with the brothers against eachother ( they can take that and turn it several ways, they can twist it and say there was a girl involved theres so many avenues you can take that)

the whole john john veasey story and him flipping later,

the shooting on I-76 with stanfa's son Joe being shot in the face,

billy veasey being shot initially thought to be by stanfas men to intimidate JOhn from testifying, then it was later found to be supposidely johnny chang and merlino,
the whole merlino saga

it just is endless even if someone is not interested in philly cosa nostra they would still be thrilled by all of these story lines and the different ways that they can go with these, they dont need to stick to the exact way that it happened, they can twist it and add drama to it.

just my 10 cents lol

No one can really say what was going through the minds of the Narducci brothers, other then the brothers themselves. when they were told by Salvatore Testa that he had killed their father. Why they followed Scarfo when they knew that he gave Sal permission to kill Frank. It is one thing to take orders from the boss, but another thing to follow the boss. We just will never know.

They probably gave two shits about scarfo they wanted to make money and they wanted to stay alive.

They were just doing what the father taught them to do
They're father raised them to be earners and killers true cosa nostra, in cosa nostra the boss orders a hit and u go, if u Wack the boss with out comission sanction , then ur gonna go and that's what happend to theyre millionaire father frank narducci
The kids were raised in cosa nostra , here today gone tomorrow that's the life and even more so back then

I think, to understand what that life is, where it came from and what it is about, you have to understand machiavellian politics.

What was the reason for merlino killing billy veasey?

They killed billy veasey to try and stop john veasey testifying , it didn't work it made him more determined . Another reason was john veasey was involved in the shooting of Michael ciancaglini , and john ciangaglini was involved in the murder of billy veasey , it was basically a brother for a brother

according to Ralph Natale, Natale ordered billy veasey's murder to avenge John Veasey's murder of micheal ciancaglini.

Exactly wot I just said

yeah i didnt see your post until after...

Didn't , john veasey recently get done for harassing john ciancaglinis wife ? Apparently he knows ciancaglini was involved in billy veaseys death . I wouldn't like john veasey on the war path , he is nuts . I don't think he will rest until he has avenged his brother

Merlino and Natale didnt care about John Veasey testifying against Stanfa at all. It was all revenge. and John Veasey is a nut. I know a lot of the veaseys and they are scumbags. atleast the male members of the family that I have met.

How many Veasey's are there?

Handsome Stevie - Phil is involved in encore in old city and I thought was trying to get involved in pawn shops but haven't heard much from his brother..is he out? They both got like 35-40 years and assume were out on good behavior .. What about Charlie white and faffy .. thinking they may be on the shelf but haven't heard.

I heard Charlie White was out but not doing much.

Don't think Faffy is out.

They are out because at the time they were sentenced inmates only had to do two thirds of there federal sentence which they and Charlie White have all done now i think it's been changed to 85% of the time must be served

he must not be on parole cause them pics of him standing with felons would put him back in, merlinos parole should be ending pretty soon.

Faffy doesnt get released until 2016. I think he'll be about 70 years old then.

Encore is a trendy shit show. I bet it's closed within a year. No offense to anyone involved with it.

When was this law changed?

You know talking about that Billy Veasey hit when it was said and done I think it was Merlino that want to the Racetrack where Natale used to hold court and basically said what went down.The only glitch was he said Mazzone backed out and wanted nothing to do with it,knowing John Veasey's reputation as someone that would one way or another get his own revenge.It was in that one book.

I remember reading somewhere that an investigator thought he might be able to convince the Narducci brothers to flip by playing the "do you want to do 50 years for the guy who ordered your father killed" card and came away dumbfounded and disappointed.Phil Narducci purportedly told the investigator that the only thing he wanted to hear about his father was a way to bring him back to life.In other words,F__K OFF,pal.Phil Leonetti said in his book that the Narducci brothers wanted to be part of the Philly Family so badly,they were willing to chalk it up as part of the life their father chose to live.Also,Scarfo supposedly made a big speech---with the Narducci brothers specifically in mind----in which he said that sons would never be held responsible for the sins of their fathers.That being said,it's still a bit surreal,given the tradition of vendetta.It also must be taken into account that Chickie Narducci was taking a big risk and violating the rules of the life he'd sworn allegiance to.While he wasn't the first,and certainly not the last,his plan was pretty lame.It was borderline desperate and or delusional.Interesting,indeed----any way you toss it.

I know Phils sister was trying to open a pawn shop but think they werent aloud. and Frank Jr was seen at a xmas party like 3 or 4 years ago with Ligambi and all them. Faffys still in jail. thought charlie white might be out but who knows there old as hell