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first time post...ive seen some ppl on this site say all types of things about boston some are accurate others not so much...im from medford a city 4 miles outside boston its were the induction ceromony was right on guild st. in the heights best neighborhood in meff u ask me.. i live right next to peter limone an ceasare anguilo...things around town are the same taking bets is huge drugs are big to..nut ppl say boston is dead an to a degree they are right but so wrong..its not like the 70s or 80s thats for sure but trust me theres a ton of things that still go on shakedowns are there specialty especially weak shakes (drug dealers) angelesco is famous for these shakedowns he's from meff when i was 19 20 the stories of him wear nuts...an someone called him a big earner i wouldn't say big earner i would say crazy mother fucker though...limone is just chilling he built his daughter a sick home on doonan st in the heights..the north end has a new cheese shop lol its called the cheese shop its right of hanover an luis runs it for his uncle and they just opened a pizza shop right across the street from the garden so believe me all is well its just not like it use to be...any questions please i welcome them...
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/04/12 05:19 PM
Questions? Ok
- Whose the acting street boss right now?
- When does Angelesco get out?
- Did Giangrande get made?
street boos thats tough few old timers maybe spucky or ferrara but there bolth low key ferraras has his restaurant an spucky seems to be real quite ....giangrande i don't believe is made an angelesco gets out in 2014
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 05:45 PM
who are those guys? im from ny so i never heard of no spucky and whatnot.i heard of your neighbor p.l. was he not boss once? lol.outside of brooklyn i cant barely drive.lol. hell i couldnt even find medford on a map.lol.
Spucky is Antonio spagnolo an defeats is bunny the animal ferrara..peter is on supervised release he has to stay away from 53 guys lol medford is right outside Boston lol
Lol fucking spell check on my phone vinny the animal lol wtf
Ferrara did almost 20 yrs he got out around 2005 his son runs his restaurent called Ferraras lol
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/04/12 06:14 PM
who are those guys? im from ny so i never heard of no spucky and whatnot.i heard of your neighbor p.l. was he not boss once? lol.outside of brooklyn i cant barely drive.lol. hell i couldnt even find medford on a map.lol.
http://bostonhitman.com/Vincent%20J.%20(Vinny%20the%20Animal)%20Ferrara.htm
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 06:15 PM
those boston guys or providence?
Yeah that website is run by howie car lol rights for the herald he loves when the Italians in the NE gets popped
Spucky has revere...Ferrara said he was done when he got out but got popped on a gambling pinch like 2 yrs after he got out he did no time though
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 06:22 PM
whos left in providence?
Honestly dude I'm not sure Matty Guglimenti comes home soon he's a huge earner for prov but the feds say there's only like 4 to 6 made guys down there no names sorry
If this family wants to stay alive they better find some going talent or they'll be screwed in 10 yrd
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 06:39 PM
no such thing.lol. if theres no good young guys in brooklyn,i doubt theres going to be any good ones in r.i.lol.
Lol ain't that the truth it...or boston
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 07:04 PM
how things change..lol. i was twenty three when i saw a quarter mil in cash. twentys, and tens.drug money. and you know what? they kid with the money was younger than me.that must be thirty years ago too. the kid?hes a boss now.lol. i was eighteen i had a two bedroom on 20th. to myself.i had my own car payments, insurance, etcetera. i had exactly fourteen 'stops'. a lot of kids were 'put to work' in a similar way.my kid? he still lives at home and hes nineteen. doesnt even have a job. to busy with his 'tenacious' studying at kingsborough community college.lol.
Lol I'm only 26 I can't name one kid I grew up with that is connected or desired to be a wiseguy my dad said when he was a kid growing up in meffa it was a lot different sidewalk soldier up an down the street
Funny rumor I must tell angelesco went to medford high the same as me..everyone said he was fucking a teacher lol I always thought that was hilarious I don't no if its true but Wtf that's gteat
An he must of graduated like 15 yrs before me lol
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 07:17 PM
jeez your young lol.a lot of kids 'want' it here, a lot of kids do the 'talk' here to. only about one percent can actually 'walk the walk'. cops used to just break up fights.now they strip search kids for wearing baggy shorts.
Cops love that shiy there dying to nab anyone with heroin or percent 30 around here in Boston its bad citys like somerville charledtown revere Everett...an the $ these junkies spend is crazy if they put half the effort into work they would be fucking millionaires
And you kid is probably a great kid listen to grow up in this time is a fucking joke no jobs no respect hell if my uncle wasn't a state rep I would be baging grocerys for a living...an the debt these kids get into Wtf its terrible
My point is the times have changed from a mafia prospective or any other way you wanna look at it...people have changed an my opinion technology has helped in so many ways but hurt us to
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 08:19 PM
the white parts of brooklyn have been getting hit hard with heroin. and its spreading,getting bad in li and si. some of us that are older remember that shit from the seventies. hell i remember white kids selling crack on the bay pkwy.do yourself a favor kid. stay the fuck away from that shit.any narcotics.including pills. 54yrs old, i had at least a dozen kids i grew up with dead from drugs. even more in prison. seriously, take my advice. stay the fuck away from that shit.
Def I stay far away I have also lost several friend I played hockey with growing up I have a job with the city I can't fuck it up lol I like weed though lol
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/04/12 08:27 PM
Spucky is Antonio spagnolo
I thought he was in jail...??
Vinny would have to be stupid to get back involved, especially after the close call a few years ago. There was little doubt he was part of some "sort" of gambeling ring and the judge gave him his one free pass.
Yeah he basically got a free pass lol well put but Nah he's not in jail
An spags is on the street
Vinny has $ so ya your right it wouldn't be smart but what to men with power want more power lol (matrix lol)
the white parts of brooklyn have been getting hit hard with heroin. and its spreading,getting bad in li and si. some of us that are older remember that shit from the seventies. hell i remember white kids selling crack on the bay pkwy.do yourself a favor kid. stay the fuck away from that shit.any narcotics.including pills. 54yrs old, i had at least a dozen kids i grew up with dead from drugs. even more in prison. seriously, take my advice. stay the fuck away from that shit.
sound advice right here. people seem desensitized to the word epidemic, but the opiate epidemic is real. seems like the whole northeast corridor is a wash in pills and cheap heroin. baltimore, philly, seemingly the whole sate of nj, nyc, long island as well as boston are being swallowed up whole. i'm only 28, and have had many friends die as well as more than a few in jail and my recent troubles with a real good friend. best advice i can give is just stay away period. if ya really wanna catch a buzz, have a few beers, or a little weed. anything other than that leads to a living nightmare that the vast majority of people never seem to be able to shake.
Posted By: dsbaloo
Re: boston - 12/04/12 08:40 PM
Are any of these guys big into selling prescription pills? Always hear how bad the problem is in boston and figured if these guys were smart they would get on it..
Shakedowns are big especially drug dealers but not that I now of spags was a huge cocaine dealer back in the day
Hands on drug deals are really dangerous so they might put up the $ to buy something but you are not goin to find a made guy with a 500 pack of percs in his house
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 09:36 PM
good. im glad to hear that you guys are clean.honestly,[dont tell my kids lol] i dont see anything wrong with weed. but pills, junk, even coke, [meth too], really can ruin your life. dont even try it once. ive done a lot. ive sold a lot too. i was sold 'weight' until 1987. i was on probation for a previous drug offense and i get caught with felony wieght.it was my third felony offense, by the time i was thirty. i was 'down' until christmas of 89. i missed the birth of my son.my namesake. i was aloud to wait by the phone in the wardens office while the nurse told me what was happening. i still remember selling coke to a kid that put it into a speedball and oded. every time i go to confession i ask the priest for forgiveness on that every time.it still bothers me.
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 09:37 PM
the point is that shit is poison. keep anyone and everyone you can away from it.
Hell yeah bro your a good person an even better dad I bet...... the past it is wat it is....I totally agree lil booze weed you'll be ok Hell my old man smokes weed lol method cox OCs are terrible killing ppl left an rihht
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 09:55 PM
haha.i havent smoked weed in years. i remember my brother and i was messing with my nephew after his mother found a bong in his room.lol. i asked him 'how do you expect to hide that' hes says bowls burn his mouth so he only likes bongs.lol. i say 'what cant you roll a blunt like the rest of the human race'?lol. he looks at me with this funny look and says 'only black people smoke blunts'. times change i gues.hahaha.
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: boston - 12/04/12 09:59 PM
How many made guys are on the street
Posted By: Scorsese
Re: boston - 12/04/12 10:07 PM
Do you get a lot of white drug dealing crews in boston?
Lol Hell yeah white boys run fucking Boston importing weed an all other drugs...white boys have everything on lock I'm not saying bblacks hspanics don't do there thing but charlestown boys (mad yuppies in the town now) somerville. Kids there all nuts an they hate blacks coming in neighborhoods like winter hill an in c town mishawan projects an newtown projects are all white bunker hill projects everything buy white..
But crews I wouldn't say crews I would just say friends that trust each other
Made guys on the street I would say maybe 30 an that's all the guys on the street even the ones retired like ray jr
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 10:25 PM
lol.leave it to the irish.lol. the only white people that still live in projects.
Feds say 30 50 made guys at least half in the can but I do now there has been atleast 2 ceremonies since 2000
Ohhh yeah dude even in mystic av. Project in somerville there's some white not a lot but there there
Charlestown is nuts half of the city is all yuppies the other half are crazy Irish pricks drugs banks stolen cars its not how it was but there still there
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 10:30 PM
i know one white woman who lives in the marbolo houses here. thats it. back in the day,different story. my grandfather lived in the old knickerbocker houses.
Back to made guys on the street it could be 20 but Boston must have a million fucking bookies....north shore south shore greater Boston there must be hundreds if not thousands
Philly is known for its poker machines as of late but in Boston there everywhere in all the scocial clubs...floramo had his club in his hometown forever right on main st nobody bothered him he must of had 30 machines in that club an card games constantly
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 10:36 PM
sports is where the money is. dont matter where your from.
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: boston - 12/04/12 10:43 PM
are there still a lot of irish projects?
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: boston - 12/04/12 10:43 PM
and do you know much about irish oc in boston?
yeah like i said newtown projects under the tobin are mostly white and the mishawam projects on the other side of town thats all white an theres white ppl in projects in every city around boston but those are strongholds lol
Posted By: Scorsese
Re: boston - 12/04/12 10:53 PM
Recent bust of some in charlestown projects.These guys are dominicans and bloods too lol,up side down town.
Charlestown Bust Nets Police Drugs, Guns, Cash
June 22, 2012
By Patriot-Bridge Staff
Boston Police carried out series of well timed raids last week in the Bunker Hill Housing Development here which netted drugs, guns and cash.
Police arrested a total of 20 persons, all of whom were arraigned last week in Charlestown District Court.
Police reported they seized large amounts of heroin, crack cocaine, marijuana and cash, as well as three guns.
Boston Police called the effort Operation Tourniquet and the raids apparently followed a year-and-a-half undercover investigation by Boston police. The Suffolk County Gang Unit also aided and there are reports that the FBI had a hand in this investigation.
Police Commissioner Edward Davis said the busts in Charlestown last week were in response to gang violence in the area – and it is believed there is a heavy gang presence inside the development.
The gang known as the Charlestown Bloods was apparently targeted by the police.
The raids took place very early in the morning last Tuesday.
Three of those arrested included one man wanted for murder in the Dominican Republic and two other men allegedly well known to police in the drug trade.
As a result of this police action, the Boston Housing Authority has started eviction proceedings in order to rid the development of 12 people who were arrested in connection with the raid.
not irish def italian though... i grew up in north medford all italian an irish (mostly italians though) i went to high school with some townies
if u read that an seen wat i posted earlier i said the bunker hill projects are not white
that article says bunker hill projects not newtown or mishawam bunker hill projects are right across the street from newtown on medford st
Posted By: Scorsese
Re: boston - 12/04/12 11:02 PM
Are you talking about the article i posted. I wasnt trying to prove you wrong or anything. I just remembered it thought it was relevant since you mentioned the projects.
Lol Hell yeah white boys run fucking Boston importing weed an all other drugs...white boys have everything on lock I'm not saying bblacks hspanics don't do there thing but charlestown boys (mad yuppies in the town now) somerville. Kids there all nuts an they hate blacks coming in neighborhoods like winter hill an in c town mishawan projects an newtown projects are all white bunker hill projects everything buy white..
said this earlier today
i was just trying to prove i was right lol an you guys can take my word im not gunna lie
bunker hill projects dont have that many white ppl some real old school maybe but boston was bad in the 60 70s with the busing shit my dad tells me the stories lol
Posted By: Scorsese
Re: boston - 12/04/12 11:14 PM
i think we are getting our wires tangled here. I posted the article because it happened in boston and i felt it was relevant to the subject, not because i thought you were wrong or lying.
lol im touchy my faut ive been reading here for at least 2 yrs i just feel im trying to prove myself the first day on the boards again sorry....honestly ask me anything about boston an i got u
Hey, have you heard of any Russian/Slavic group/individual activity in Boston?
no i havent heard lol they could be in my backyard an i wouldnt no it lol
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 11:31 PM
well kid you know your shit. ill give you the 'sit on my face seal of approval'.lol.
Posted By: dsbaloo
Re: boston - 12/04/12 11:43 PM
how things change..lol. i was twenty three when i saw a quarter mil in cash. twentys, and tens.drug money. and you know what? they kid with the money was younger than me.that must be thirty years ago too. the kid?hes a boss now.lol. i was eighteen i had a two bedroom on 20th. to myself.i had my own car payments, insurance, etcetera. i had exactly fourteen 'stops'. a lot of kids were 'put to work' in a similar way.my kid? he still lives at home and hes nineteen. doesnt even have a job. to busy with his 'tenacious' studying at kingsborough community college.lol.
Who was the kid with the 1/4 mil in small bills who is now a boss? Eh I don't know, I could be wrong but it seems like making illegal money off traditional rackets is a little harder than it was back in the day,I wouldn't know for sure though. I'm half your age.
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/04/12 11:57 PM
thats what im saying. this guy was movings lbs of product in his twenties. and his name? sorry. if you cant figure it out,what can i say?
thanks sitonmyface anything u need to ask about the bean just ask away my man
i can imagine who that is i dont even want to put a geuss out he..... disbaloo read what he says in other post pay attention an u might come up with someone
thats the fun of it all lol reading an learning lol
be smart read other ppl before they read u
Posted By: dsbaloo
Re: boston - 12/05/12 12:14 AM
thats what im saying. this guy was movings lbs of product in his twenties. and his name? sorry. if you cant figure it out,what can i say?
I think I got a pretty solid idea who it is now. And sorry for asking straight out like that, didn't mean to. And didn't expect you to blurt it out. Your persoanl experience posts are my favorite.
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/05/12 12:16 AM
no problem. ill say this,hes well known. past that i wont confirm or deny anyone.
Any I would never put anyone's name on here I new personally...Hell peter linone lives a street over lol but I don't no this man his grandson is like 19 he's a really nice kid you gotta remember he was in the can for 33 years...I'm 26 so that just gives me a perspective of how LONG THAT IS
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/05/12 12:27 AM
meffa, you got a message. its that flashing mail thing next to 'mystuff'.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 12:30 AM
is robert carozza still involved? and if so what rank? hes been out since 08.
Carozza is out an low key haven't heard much besides he's luck he didn't fall with rossetti if he was involved with the family that's his faction east Boston so he could be retired but if he's active he's one of the highest ranking members on the street he did a ton of time
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 01:24 AM
in terms of active made guys for the entire family, who many are out on the street would you say? and who would you say are the top capos and guys to watch in the future?
Posted By: TonyBoy117
Re: boston - 12/05/12 01:31 AM
haha.i havent smoked weed in years. i remember my brother and i was messing with my nephew after his mother found a bong in his room.lol. i asked him 'how do you expect to hide that' hes says bowls burn his mouth so he only likes bongs.lol. i say 'what cant you roll a blunt like the rest of the human race'?lol. he looks at me with this funny look and says 'only black people smoke blunts'. times change i gues.hahaha.
Hahahahahaha one of my favorite posts of all time , and only people who can't roll blunts say that lol
Alright I would put that # prov Boston made members that are ACTIVE ON THE STREET 20....young guys spagnolo son does things Louis dinunzio kid named dank from meffa another kid in the north edn is joey spagnulo no spagnolo just another kid...an. for top capos I would say spucky floramo was up there but has passed Ferrara is there and the other martorano runs south shore I beleive
Guys like pryce quinta an lamattina are mad old an if there doin anything its sitting home collecting envelopes
I think limone is a great figurehead but very well respected would die before he would rat but he's old an u need youth on the street calling the shots but hrs gutta direct whick is difficult to do when I have the feds up your ass
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 01:48 AM
gotcha, i consider myself pretty caught up on that family but i dont know more than half the names you put up. Guess I will wait till they make the news in the future lol
Oh yeah Def Louis dinunzio that's anthonys son in the latest wiretaps he talking to skins an tell him I don't deal with my son I .put him under a capo..that's wat he said he he sunk his own son an Louis is made an he's .like 27 and the cool thing about Louis he gets 35 thousand for life or some shit he hit on a scratch ticket lol
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 01:53 AM
Oh yeah Def Louis dinunzio that's anthonys son in the latest wiretaps he talking to skins an tell him I don't deal with my son I .put him under a capo..that's wat he said he he sunk his own son an Louis is made an he's .like 27 and the cool thing about Louis he gets 35 thousand for life or some shit he hit on a scratch ticket lol
yeah im aware of him and the wiretap,thanks for sharing your insights, please continue to do so.
Ok cool any questions please feel free I will do so with ny
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 01:55 AM
whos steering the ship in anthony's absense?
Ok cool any questions please feel free I will do so with ny
this is exactly the kind of feedback/insight we need here, so keep it up and share what you know about the local scene, and we can always cross-reference it with fbi/law enforcement reports to help better understand the local situation. nice work, noob
That was the first question I had I named spucky spagnolo or even vinny the animal but dinunzio could be running things through his son his son is a made member
quoted the wrong response mb, bottom line, you are doing a good job!
The dinunzio boys well be out soon er than later I believe when carmine gets out Hell be street boss with limone boss an his bro under him an maybe name lato when he gets out to top guy in prov He probably well be top guy down there when he gets out but that's far away
Hey meffa, glad to see you here. Thank for your posts. But what's up with Peter Limone right now? Is he still boss?
The dinunzio bros have one good thing on there side that's age both fairly young so if try can loose the guts in the joint they'll be healthy wen they get out Anthony got 6 an a half that's button compared to some guys carmine go 6 or 7 an like 4 yrs into his bid if not more so they'll be at the top when there booth out at the same time that's my point
I would say no he HAS to stay away an bro he got like 26 mill you should see his daughters house its niice an his is very nice to..listen when he got out he felt it was outta DUTY to take the too spot I don't sign up he got selected by his peers hit did a lot of time stood up for this family let him make the $ to take care of the fam
I'm a way how could some old man some out of jail after doin over 30 years with really no conects or $ take over a family lol he was chosen because it was deserved he was a capo under anguilo he's a real old timer
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 02:17 AM
stephen and michael rossetti, made guys out of east boston are related to mark the rat? whats their story now that their brother turned? are they shelved?
Hey meffa, glad to see you here. Thank for your posts. But what's up with Peter Limone right now? Is he still boss?
limone is just official boss in name, anthony dinunzio calls the shots on the street, he even bragged that if he went to jail he would still be the boss on the wiretaps with nicky skins
Yeah I read that...I'm pretty sure marks brothers at not connected but I'm not sure maybe one of his bros are an remember as far as personally I no nothing just a lot in my town that's eastie
Are u thinking of Michael prochilio he's an east Boston faction member his dad is a made guy to
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/05/12 02:27 AM
skins is going to hurt some serious people in brooklyn. the common thought is guys have already started to wear wires.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 02:28 AM
Gothca, they were listed as made on an old thread here, so just wondering.
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=608092Cono "Connie" Frizzi Jr died last year
http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity...&FHID=11429Whats the story on pryce quintina, mike and joe prochilo,and ray patriarca jr?
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 02:30 AM
skins is going to hurt some serious people in brooklyn. the common thought is guys have already started to wear wires.
Yea, that would be a very safe thing to assume I would say. I wouldnt be surprised if a major indictment against some serious guys is handed down by next summer, not sure what specific guys (maybe john gambino, etc) but we will find out.
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/05/12 02:37 AM
johns already got his bags packed. hes done this before.
Pryce is Def retired but his allies an capo is spucky pryce stills lives in revere I believe close to the action. U never no with these grinders...ray Jr is into real estate he's just chilling on his old mans money but ray did his time like a man even though that hole made ceromony on tape lol
If I was gambino I would head to Italy because they are building a case I'm pretty sure lol
Rays like a fucking celebrity on federal hill everyone loves him he's not doin anyghing he dosent need to...an I hope manachio makes it out alive I don't now why I just kinda hate cops lol
They all got light sentences in this case it wasn't crazy no murders no drugs just strip clubs lol they seem to be realizing murders are heat .let's make money the se thing with philly
At this point we are all waiting for the indictment to come. No way to know who, but it'll be serious. I'm wondering personally if it will reach up to Dom Cefalu and Frank Cali
I don't no it seems like skins was like Howard Hughes a fucking world traveler is it true he's got skinny joey on tape wtf
I don't no it seems like skins was like Howard Hughes a fucking world traveler is it true he's got skinny joey on tape wtf
He did but immediately afterwards Merlino reported it to his parole officer. Shocking right?
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/05/12 02:54 AM
if john goes to italy he either gets clipped by the corleonese or the [i dont know i get all that shit mixed up]...,or he gets arrested and thrown in some cage and treated like an animal. in italy prison is hell. you ever wonder why the us wouldnt extradite mobsters to italy? they get treated like shit with few exceptions.
hes a old man. hes in bad health.he was a power house.he was definatley related to carlo, no doubt about it. healthy or not, hes the 'heaviest' guy in brooklyn. period.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 02:54 AM
They all got light sentences in this case it wasn't crazy no murders no drugs just strip clubs lol they seem to be realizing murders are heat .let's make money the se thing with philly
dinunzio,lato,manocchio all got 5 yrs+ thats not very light for these old really obese guys IMO
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 02:56 AM
I don't no it seems like skins was like Howard Hughes a fucking world traveler is it true he's got skinny joey on tape wtf
thats cause the feds were sending him to all those places to get those guys on tape, plus hes been around a long time so nobodoy suspected he turned they just thought oh its somebody from NY reaching out
if john goes to italy he either gets clipped by the corleonese or the [i dont know i get all that shit mixed up]...,or he gets arrested and thrown in some cage and treated like an animal. in italy prison is hell. you ever wonder why the us wouldnt extradite mobsters to italy? they get treated like shit with few exceptions.
hes a old man. hes in bad health.he was a power house.he was definatley related to carlo, no doubt about it. healthy or not, hes the 'heaviest' guy in brooklyn. period.
Is he still a powerhouse? They say he's one of the top guys in the Gambino family apart from Dom and Frankie
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/05/12 02:58 AM
read my last sentence joe.
Yeah I feel ya lol but both dinunzios are under 60 carmine well be 58 59 when he's out an Anthony well be around that same age give or take a few years I don't have exact birth date lato ya I agree
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 02:59 AM
both dinunzios look like walking diabetes disclaimers, prison food will not be kind to them
read my last sentence joe.
Haha sorry for making you repeat yourself. It's just cool when we get a poster who actually knows what's going on in the streets. You and PB are probably the best when it comes to that.
Oh yeah that's Def why good look dap magine that traveling around get all types if soldiers acting bosses on tape crazy shit
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/05/12 03:01 AM
thanks pal.lol.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 03:02 AM
Oh yeah that's Def why good look dap magine that traveling around get all types if soldiers acting bosses on tape crazy shit
feds def got their $$$ worth from skins, too bad he killed himself before he testified then it would really be devastating
I heard that carmine is looking a lil slimmer an in good spirits but who nows that wat I heard
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 03:03 AM
read my last sentence joe.
Haha sorry for making you repeat yourself. It's just cool when we get a poster who actually knows what's going on in the streets. You and PB are probably the best when it comes to that.
i concur
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 03:04 AM
I heard that carmine is looking a lil slimmer an in good spirits but who nows that wat I heard
i guess its all relative from 500 to 400 pds, lol
Posted By: carmela
Re: boston - 12/05/12 03:04 AM
if john goes to italy he either gets clipped by the corleonese or the [i dont know i get all that shit mixed up]...,or he gets arrested and thrown in some cage and treated like an animal. in italy prison is hell. you ever wonder why the us wouldnt extradite mobsters to italy? they get treated like shit with few exceptions.
Not true. The Corleonese have lifted that ban they had on the Gambino's coming back. They're free to go back there for some time now.
Lol ok well anyway u Think joey had a gut feeling or just dosent want to go to jail lol
I heard that carmine is looking a lil slimmer an in good spirits but who nows that wat I heard
i guess its all relative from 500 to 400 pds, lol
If a walrus lost a couple pounds would you notice the difference?
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/05/12 03:10 AM
if john goes to italy he either gets clipped by the corleonese or the [i dont know i get all that shit mixed up]...,or he gets arrested and thrown in some cage and treated like an animal. in italy prison is hell. you ever wonder why the us wouldnt extradite mobsters to italy? they get treated like shit with few exceptions.
Not true. The Corleonese have lifted that ban they had on the Gambino's coming back. They're free to go back there for some time now.
is this before or after they killed half of there immediate family?lol.
ill take your word for it.lol. im just breaking-nevermind.lol
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 03:11 AM
Lol ok well anyway u Think joey had a gut feeling or just dosent want to go to jail lol
i would say more of the latter, but both
I heard that carmine is looking a lil slimmer an in good spirits but who nows that wat I heard
i guess its all relative from 500 to 400 pds, lol
If a walrus lost a couple pounds would you notice the difference?
exactly lmaoo
Schmoe from mass were abouts
Schmoe from mass were abouts
Cape Cod my man. Hyannis to be exact.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 03:15 AM
Schmoe from mass were abouts
Cape Cod my man. Hyannis to be exact.
cape cod, been there a few times myself in college when i was seeing a girl who's family had a house out there
Holy shit my wifes family has a house right next to the jfk memorial lol hold on ill.tell ya the street
Schmoe from mass were abouts
Cape Cod my man. Hyannis to be exact.
cape cod, been there a few times myself in college when i was seeing a girl who's family had a house out there
Where on the Cape? It's a bit bigger than people think. The best beaches are on the arm part of it (Orleans, Eastham, Truro, Provincetown) I live in the most commercial town on Cape. But it's a beautiful place, especially in summer. Winter on the other hand is a different story lol
Pensgosnel street she just said
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 03:20 AM
Schmoe from mass were abouts
Cape Cod my man. Hyannis to be exact.
cape cod, been there a few times myself in college when i was seeing a girl who's family had a house out there
Where on the Cape? It's a bit bigger than people think. The best beaches are on the arm part of it (Orleans, Eastham, Truro, Provincetown) I live in the most commercial town on Cape. But it's a beautiful place, especially in summer. Winter on the other hand is a different story lol
Provincetown, I was there in the summer a few years back.
Oh yeah Provincetown is awesome. It's a hub for transsexuals, gays, crossdressers etc and you can have a super fun time there. Some drugs there but it's easily avoidable. Very friendly place with good food and beaches.
Meffaboston are you talking about Hyannis? I've never heard of a JFK memorial here. The one in Boston is awesome (I've been) but that street doesn't ring a bell.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/05/12 03:28 AM
Oh yeah Provincetown is awesome. It's a hub for transsexuals, gays, crossdressers etc and you can have a super fun time there. Some drugs there but it's easily avoidable. Very friendly place with good food and beaches.
I mostly stayed at the house/compound (yuppies) and went out to the beach a bunch of times.
The hyannis yaht club there's a small.memorial with a plack a stuff its there the beach is right across the street from her house
Oh do you mean by Ocean Street by the harbor?
Yupp that's it. I didn't know what you meant by Pensgosnel street but I defintely know what you're talking about now. That club is for oldies with a lot of dough to blow lol. One thing about the Cape is that it's VERY old. It's sort of like the northern Florida except all the retired people are mostly locals.
For every kid I see here there's twenty more people over the age of sixty haha.
Posted By: jerry55
Re: boston - 12/05/12 04:01 AM
meffa, Lato & manocchio and the rest of them on that case are all asshole
Oh yeah no doubt talking way to much but delicate really fucked them think about he did his time first wat was it 12 years he got out they gave him a good role they thought he wouldn't rat but he did an the strip club thing that's been join on since before I was born lol
Deluca lol spell check on the phone lol
Manachio I wouldn't call an asshole lol but I now wat ya mean he was at least in my opinion pretty low key up until this shit he had like a13 year reign that's good if this didn't happen he would have retired maybe just saying
Posted By: jerry55
Re: boston - 12/05/12 04:18 AM
meffa, Well it's about time that someone mention's deluca name.
Posted By: jerry55
Re: boston - 12/05/12 04:22 AM
meffa when i say that they are all asshole on that case, i don't mean that in good way if you really knew them you would know what i mean
The inditment say RD so everyone is just assuming it him Robert Deluca so well see everyone plead out so there's no need to testify an he's disapeared for prov
And I Def don't no any of them lol
Posted By: dsbaloo
Re: boston - 12/05/12 09:54 AM
Where is mark rossetti??? I remember reading how he was a snitch and reading a long thread on here about it but not sure how it all ended up.. I read he was a junkie?? Was he openly a junkie? It really surprises me that anyone would trust or respect him cause of his drug use, let alone put him as skipper and let him run a crew. Always wondered about that.. Everyone knows you can't trust a junkie.
Of course u can't trust. Junkie lol ...he's doin a state bid he got line 9 years for his attemted robbery and all the other shit I think the feds got him in PC I think in jail but he went through his court an git the time but the feds have a lot on mark there probably gunna drop more charges
An yes he's an informant an if he ever gets out hes on his own that's a guy u don't wanna be friends with lol...state police took him down not the fbi...state police picked up on a wire him talking to his FBI handler...state police contacted the feds an say look at this evidebe an he's a protected informant lol...but rossettti got his hole crew pinched basically who nows what he told the feds
Listen I no mark was a junkie but the guy was well respected watch the video of his mother wake in east Boston peter limone daring bufalino prochilio's Robert Deluca eddy lato hells Angeles all lined up to shake his hand an say sorry for your loss mark was fucked up but a killer an his rep is basically that a shakedown man an killer..he had a solid crew an u gutta be some kind of an earner to be named a capo right ahhhhhh maybe not lol
Any that video is interesttig that's the niice all the boys went to carmens kitchen right across the street..peter l Robert d eddy l an Anthony d
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/05/12 03:56 PM
I love the Boston inside stuff since I grew up there but the spelling and grammar is, ugh.....
Ray Jr. is a very rich man and develops real estate on the south shore. I saw him a few years ago when I attended Jerry" Angiulo funeral. When I say attended, I watch from across the street, lol.. I read somewhere that Jr. gets a few visitors around the Holiday's with X-mas tributes being delivered, but who knows if that's true.
The DiNunzio brothers won't be ancient when they get out, I think Carmen is due out in 2016...but you have to beleive they are in tough shape with most Capo's in prison and all over a strip club extortion...I mean isn't that what they are there for, to be extored....lol...
If you recall about 10 years ago the Foxy Lady in Providence was busted for a having a gambeling book run out of it, anything in the adult XX world in Providence is going to have "vistors" about 10 minutes after their grand opening event. Nature of the beast...
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/05/12 04:05 PM
its because there easy scores.you tell a guy you 'represent' a concerned group of citizens who are very 'influental' in matters of local politics...licensing and such. he 'gets the picture'. especially if you walk in there with two or three body builders.lol. you say you can 'do him a favor' and talk to these 'concerned citizens'.lol.same goes for strip joints. or you can pull the old 'territory' scam. this is more common with food places and stores.or you can do things the old fashion way and just threaten the guy.lol.
Lol sorry for the spelling I do this all from my phone dude...considering I'm at work an have to type fast lol
I Def wouldn't be surprised about ray Jr visits....an that anguilo funeral was crazy I just seen pics an read about it hells Angeles an tons of mob guys lol that must gave been a sight dude
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/05/12 04:56 PM
I Def wouldn't be surprised about ray Jr visits....an that anguilo funeral was crazy I just seen pics an read about it hells Angeles an tons of mob guys lol that must gave been a sight dude
No worries about the spelling, the 1st hand intelligence is worth it.
The funeral was amazing, dozens of HA's plus Limone, Ray Jr. and many other of the North End crowd. I happened to be in town on business and read about it in the Herald and walk my ass over there. On more than one occassion people were yelled at by young guedos to "not take pictures", it was pretty funny.
It's to bad it's such a mess now.....
Anguilo was just very smart idk if u no this but his sons own one of the biggest towing companys in the greater Boston area its called G/J towing (gennaro and Jason)its a huge buissness right on the water in revere in the point of pines area near Lynn dude the warehouse is out of a movie lol boat marina the hole nine yards
He left an empire for his kids a legite empire
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/05/12 05:15 PM
I know he was very shrewd and wouldn't spend a buck on nothin. The book about him "The Underboss, Rise and Fall..." I think was great.
I love the last few chapters especially when the finally busted them all and the FIB went accross the street where his brother lived and found the secret apartment that could only be gotten two via another one in the building.
It had a large stove, big table a perfect place to wait out war, host the boss from P-town or have a ceremony. Plus, in his brothers place they found a huge safe in the wall with something like $300k in cash plus jewelry and bearer bonds.
He was at the top for a very long time, well over 20 years.
Yes that book was great especially for a Boston mob book....he ruled for a long time..the only brother left is francesco...but the are gerrys sons an Donato anguilo his son ceasare anguilo lives in north medford right next to me an limone
But ceasare isn't a made guy or nutritious. He's living of his dads millions ya no
There's a store in north medford called jims I see ceasare there a lot
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH
Re: boston - 12/05/12 05:58 PM
You seen that 'Green Square Mile' set in Charlestown about Bunker Hill all about the busing:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkkf_Fq_EQA Ever read that Vinnie Teresa book? Someone gave it to me once said it was good but it was pure bullshit. Who was this guy?
Also what happened to the crews that used to work with Gordon O'Brien? He used to be a good earner. Think he died a few months after being paroled from upstate after a bid for smuggling H. He was hated by some loved by few but respected by all.
Prividence up to much? Or it like the old saying goes ain't fit to shine shit these days?
Any remnants of those kindsa crews that were heavily in with the Providence crews back in the day?
Never read that book but vinnie I think was a bullshitter
Vinnie was a rat before I was born he died when I was 4 lol
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH
Re: boston - 12/05/12 06:11 PM
Oh and wtf with Howie Winter at 83? Or Melvin for that matter?
Medord Sons Of Italy? North End? That ain't their turf they musta been acting on someone else's behalf. Have I got the picture here? You don't have to say but it just struck me as kinda odd though I know Howie always got on well with the North End.
But come on. Hired muscle? These guys?
http://medford.patch.com/articles/medford-sons-of-italy-plays-role-in-howie-winter-extortion-case
Listen I read that article in the herald yesterday lol medford sons of Italy in in south meffa right next to somerville they probably thought it was a quick shake an 35 grand each but the guy was wearing.g a wire lol
It had nuttin to do with the north end boys no way maybe a kick up but howies old like u said
When howie got out trust me ppl took care of him..Dave devilin gave him a job at his company he probably got $ from some ppl but that $ runs out an he has to pay bills like everyone else so wats a guy like that gunna do...
The boys In the north end shoulda clipped whitey...an howie shoulda been boss the Italians liked him a lot he always showed them a lot of respect whitey was a pos
U gutta remember that when howie fell it was because of whitey the dog races at suffolk downs took out a lot of guys an whitey picked up the peices
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH
Re: boston - 12/05/12 06:19 PM
Got it. Just a couple of old sckool fucks out for a quick earner. But the cabbage never came rolling home this time.
That's what I like about Boston you could be wheeling these geriatrics out but they'd still be turning up for the score.
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH
Re: boston - 12/05/12 06:25 PM
The boys In the north end shoulda clipped whitey...an howie shoulda been boss the Italians liked him a lot he always showed them a lot of respect whitey was a pos
I agree, Whitey shoulda been clipped. That's great info meffaboston, this has to be the best thread I've read in a while.
An let me tell u as far as the winter hill gang goes lol its literally extinct
Thanks any other question I welcome them LOL
Posted By: jerry55
Re: boston - 12/05/12 06:36 PM
meffa, you said that they gave bobby deluca a good position because he would'nt rat well guess what he did. ha ha ha
Before I get Irish south Boston questions lol there a few guys selling drugs kicking up to no one lol george hogan is an add from wat I heard an there is no real relationship with the north end boys none they wouldnt Fri e to southie to pick up an envelope ever they font trust them at all after wat happen...I'm not saying there's not any Irish crews it nuttin but the Italians have the hole fucking city an more all around Boston those Irish nuts don't leave D street in sluggishness lol
Oh I no he did but u gutta remember he did 12 years an wen he got out they hooked him up they didn't no he would flip...just like limone 33yrs comes home an he's the fucking boss
Bobby D has a young family looking out for himself
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH
Re: boston - 12/05/12 06:39 PM
An let me tell u as far as the winter hill gang goes lol its literally extinct
Yeah I've heard that. What about Southie? Anything much going on down there? I heard of Hogan but he's pretty small time. I heard they was still some crews there kicking up to the North End. This true or are things pretty dead down that part of the city too?
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH
Re: boston - 12/05/12 06:42 PM
Before I get Irish south Boston questions lol there a few guys selling drugs kicking up to no one lol george hogan is an add from wat I heard an there is no real relationship with the north end boys none they wouldnt Fri e to southie to pick up an envelope ever they font trust them at all after wat happen...I'm not saying there's not any Irish crews it nuttin but the Italians have the hole fucking city an more all around Boston those Irish nuts don't leave D street in sluggishness lol
Got it. You gave me the answer before I asked the question. Beat me to the hook. Talk about hot on the buzzer
Posted By: jerry55
Re: boston - 12/05/12 06:43 PM
meffa, Oh come on there alot of guys that have family's and there family's are broke, you don't do something like that
I really don't think that any kicking up is happening out of southie like I said they live an die on D street nobody bothers them an they don't bother anyone....very small time few bets some drugs the Italians stay to themselves like the Irish... There could be a kickup if there's a score but I really don't think so
Your right any citizen but this guy is not a citizen lol its fuck winter guy had the hill on lock forever its in his blood lol to shake ppl down
An you right its not right wat these men do
I no u might no belevie me but dude back when winter was running the hill there was a bar an bookie on every corner up an down Broadway in the ville that's when they were kicking up
An that's the 60s an 70s my grandfagher an old man tell me the stories.... read citizen somerville ok book it will give u an idea wat somerville was likes
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/06/12 01:38 AM
is it true that gerry anguilo "bought" his button with his 100k/monthly tributes to patriarca?
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 01:43 AM
is it true that gerry anguilo "bought" his button with his 100k/monthly tributes to patriarca?
He wouldn't be the first. That's for sure.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/06/12 01:45 AM
is it true that gerry anguilo "bought" his button with his 100k/monthly tributes to patriarca?
He wouldn't be the first. That's for sure.
joey mook comes to mind
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/06/12 01:52 AM
one of many.lol.
yes....he was ALL brains i guess u could say his brother donato def was the muscle the othe bros like mikey an frank were smart to...
4 brothers all partnered up in crime all have there own little part and it worked the feds tied pinching them forever....an they literally operated out of 2 or 3 places all in the north end like 3 blocks apart... the office ,mikey anguilo had a place down the street,and frankys restuarant
an the deal anguilo made with ray was 100 racks now an a 100 racks every year
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/06/12 02:21 AM
damn.what a fool.hes light one hundred grand a year and no made guys are going to respect that 'button'.
you would think that but some how he made it above larry zannino and everyone else in that era and zannino was a beast...anguilo had the city on lock when u mention OC around here i guarantee someone going to say anguilo...his family owns all types of property around boston they got a couple small parking lot right around the garden an when i say them i mean there kids...
if u read underboss u should here gerry on the tapes yelling at everyone...'' tough guys i need inteligent tough guys'' you dont have a hot car u dont got nuttin'' when talking about doing a crime... an he always called cops irish peices of shit i read that somewhere maybe black mass
and you no wat he had a lot of respect they respected the title he was given and you no wat it was a good choice if u want my opinion....i mean picture boston OC without whitey i was ratting on all those guys
he brought down the fucking castle irish italian if there was crime an he was involved the feds knew it
and when anguilo went away they were more italians shaking that punk down like vinny f an russo and carozza....an he ratted on vinny as well its all in black mass good read
Posted By: artichoke
Re: boston - 12/06/12 02:15 PM
The Angiulo brothers and even Jason Jerrys son all went to the can and did their time. Everybody but Jason got hammered. They got 20s and 30s like nothing for nothing. They proved they were men not like the crybabies today.
Jason got fined 20 Gs an did lil time your absolutley right all they had on him was that he was running one of his old man's poker nights
And gerrys an Donato booth died on the outside they got to enjoy a few years on the outside
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 02:45 PM
Most think Bobby Deluca turned so he could testify against Whitey, if that ever happens. If you recall, Whitey screwed him a few times and Bobby, Cadillac Frank and Steve Flemmi all went away in 1995 or so and Whitey took off.
Bobby has spent the better part of the last two decades in prison, was probably tired of that scene.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 02:50 PM
is it true that gerry anguilo "bought" his button with his 100k/monthly tributes to patriarca?
Rumor had it, Larry Zannino started shaking down gerry and many think it was at the old man's suggestion. This forced Gerry down to Providence with a bag of money to buy his button.
Gerry's worth to the organization was his business mind, people said he was brilliant and he started the business of having bookies "lay off" action to a central bank so they could hedge their bets.
He wasn't well liked because he was an a$$.
Another story I liked about him was when he was arrested, he's sitting in the court house and asks the prosicutor "does you mother still live over on Williams Street in that old grey duplex"...lol...I guess that would send a chill up your spine.
That might happen that's a crazy story an bobby has a young family I believe its two young boys he has an he's not that young anymore...he was gone for a while an when the feds approached him he agreed they pick there targets well an that obv was a good target...an anguilo was being harassed by several made members because he had coin before even being made tons of money...
Posted By: vegasskip
Re: boston - 12/06/12 03:57 PM
You seen that 'Green Square Mile' set in Charlestown about Bunker Hill all about the busing:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkkf_Fq_EQA Ever read that Vinnie Teresa book? Someone gave it to me once said it was good but it was pure bullshit. Who was this guy?
Also what happened to the crews that used to work with Gordon O'Brien? He used to be a good earner. Think he died a few months after being paroled from upstate after a bid for smuggling H. He was hated by some loved by few but respected by all.
Prividence up to much? Or it like the old saying goes ain't fit to shine shit these days?
Any remnants of those kindsa crews that were heavily in with the Providence crews back in the day?
I grew up around Gordon O'Brien and the Taunton crews. He did pass away several years ago after getting out. You are right about him being respected as he could put the fear of God in anyone. My nephew is friends with his son.
Cool I used to play taunton in hockey not to sure were that is though lol...everyone including zannino took the orders because he had a title an back then ppl respected that title...Larry was a nut but read the dog house tapes anguilo yells at him
Posted By: vegasskip
Re: boston - 12/06/12 04:22 PM
Meff....Taunton is between Boston and Providence
Lol don't really leave the greater Boston area
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 04:50 PM
Hey Meffa,
What's Dorchester like today?
Before I retired from the funeral service industry, I was up that way quite a bit. Mostly in Brookline, but I got to Dorchester once in awhile too.
I'm a big fan of Dennis Lehane's, the writer. Most of his books are set in Dorchester. I met him twice. He's a really down to earth guy, for an Irishman
.
Dorchester still has a few Irish streets next to southie near the jfk building but its all black other than that an its just gang activity that's were all the shootings occur there an roxbury
I used to go for blunt cruse in dorchester an what a sight compared to meffa....Boston kids always say '' let's take a bomb down the zone'' lol that means take a wide down Chinatown the old kombat zone lol
An when I say a few Irish streets I mean 2 or 3
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 05:22 PM
Brookline is still pretty nice, no?
Brookline ohhhh yeah mad mansions there an Milton a lot of college kids in brookline to
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 05:28 PM
Yeah, that's the impression I got. There's a funeral home there, Stanetsky's, on Beacon Street. I was up there a couple times a year for many years. Big money.
Posted By: jerry55
Re: boston - 12/06/12 05:33 PM
bobby deluca coporate when the fbi went to house to arrest him for extorted a car saleman and took 25.000 from the guy's wife that she work for all her life, the fbi asked bobby if he wanted to corporate and he said yes, then he wore a wire against all those guys from provdence and boston, bobby has 4 kids, that came out about whitey after he wore the wire on his friends, you all can go to wpri.com and tim white has it all even the wire recordings
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/06/12 05:38 PM
Dorchester's not all black. Still a lot of Irish living there. Certain parts are better than others like most cities.
Yeah, that's the impression I got. There's a funeral home there, Stanetsky's, on Beacon Street. I was up there a couple times a year for many years. Big money.
PB you were un undertake? Did you drive one of those sweet ass hearse's around the big apple and up to providence
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 05:47 PM
Wasn't Dorchester the center of the busing controversy back in the '70s?
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 05:51 PM
Yeah, that's the impression I got. There's a funeral home there, Stanetsky's, on Beacon Street. I was up there a couple times a year for many years. Big money.
PB you were un undertake? Did you drive one of those sweet ass hearse's around the big apple and up to providence
25 years in funeral service, buddy. I bolted as soon as I maxed out my pension with Teamsters Local 813. I retired at 47, froze my pension till I'm 55. I'm 53 now, so two years to go. Meanwhile, I manage property that I own along with my wife, my brother and my father.
But I was never a licensed funeral director. Early on, I worked in the livery end, then in the office, then eventually for the union itself.
But I did drive a sweet ass hearse
.
That's cool.. I know this kinda gruesome but whatever...What do the bodies that were mobsters or victims of the mob or maybe SENTER that were beaten real bad or the head was chopped off or did you guys glue them back together ? Even a bullet to the face is enouugh to have someone creamated no?
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH
Re: boston - 12/06/12 06:23 PM
That's cool.. I know this kinda gruesome but whatever...What do the bodies that were mobsters or victims of the mob or maybe SENTER that were beaten real bad or the head was chopped off or did you guys glue them back together ? Even a bullet to the face is enouugh to have someone creamated no?
They don't call him Pizzaguy for nuthin
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 06:29 PM
If a body is that bad we'd usually try to get the family to go for a closed casket. Some people won't cremate for religious reasons. But then you have some really hardcore Italians, who expect miracles, and want an open casket no matter what. In that case you do the best you can, but you make it clear in no uncertain terms that it was the family's call, not the funeral home's.
And yeah, I saw some pretty horrific shit over the years. People hit by subway trains, people that died on the crapper (not at all uncommon, I pulled at least a dozen people off the throne over the years), plane crashes (TWA flight 800 was horrible because a lot of body parts were found).
But nothing was worse than September 11th. We buried as little as fingernails for at least two years after the attacks. That's the main reason I have zero tolerance for left wingers who cry about Guantanamo and whatnot. I was there. Water boarding is too good for those animals.
^^^ Yeah I could only imagine
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: boston - 12/06/12 06:37 PM
That's the main reason I have zero tolerance for left wingers who cry about Guantanamo and whatnot. I was there. Water boarding is too good for those animals.
The problem is that terrorist attacks like that are often sponsored by secret services of different countries. The ones who end up water boarded in places like Guantanamo are always "little fishes", while the big ones continue to sit in their offices and enjoy the life. I personally would have enjoyed all those generals and colonels who exploit terrorism to undergo the same treatment.
Posted By: spmob
Re: boston - 12/06/12 06:41 PM
Good stories Pizza. I don't think I could work in that business but it has interested me. I Never thought to ask the questions Dickie just did or ever had someone to ask them to. I will never forget when I was a kid and my pop died he was real skinny from cancer. And I was real young but was real close to him. So my parents let me decide and I went to the wake. So when I went up to the coffin at the viewing I touched his leg and i didn't know what it was. I guess it was something like cardboard to fill out his legs because he was so skinny but it scared the shit out of me when I was 7. I thought he had no legs or something.
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 06:42 PM
I personally would have enjoyed all those generals and colonels who exploit terrorism to undergo the same treatment.
No argument there.
In a nut shell they were busing the black kids from roxbury an the dot to charlestown high all the townies were sent to mad park an roxbury high an it really made no sense if I watch the charltown busing vid on you tube u can c a little Irish kid sayin '' I got a school across the street down the street an up the street why do I have to go there ''
An momey my man I don't no wat part part of the dot u have seen but dudeije I said in an. Earlier post there's a couple white streets near southie an the jfk building
An the rest of the fucking city is BLACK AS NIGHT
How do u put a pic up I got a sick one
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 07:32 PM
Wasn't Dorchester the center of the busing controversy back in the '70s?
Really the whole city was involved in de-segregation. I was in 5th grade and was living in West Roxbury about 3 blocks from my school. My number got drawn and they were sending me and half of the school (the school was 100% white at that time) to a school in Dorchester and half of the Dorchester School to my old school.
While parents weren't biased against blacks, they did not want me taking a bus for 30 minutes to go to school in Dorchester. If I had been lucky enough to stay at my old school my parents had no issue with me sharing a classroom with the Dorchester kids.
They enrolled me in Catholic School and a the next year we moved out the burbs so i was never subjected to any of it
At some schools it was very bad, rock and brick throwing, fights an brawls and even stabbing and shootings.
Your right it was all over the city but side charlestown was the worst
And southie dude...and west roxbury is a really nice area its the exact opposite of roxbury
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 08:07 PM
Wasn't Dorchester the center of the busing controversy back in the '70s?
Really the whole city was involved in de-segregation. I was in 5th grade and was living in West Roxbury about 3 blocks from my school. My number got drawn and they were sending me and half of the school (the school was 100% white at that time) to a school in Dorchester and half of the Dorchester School to my old school.
While parents weren't biased against blacks, they did not want me taking a bus for 30 minutes to go to school in Dorchester. If I had been lucky enough to stay at my old school my parents had no issue with me sharing a classroom with the Dorchester kids.
They enrolled me in Catholic School and a the next year we moved out the burbs so i was never subjected to any of it
At some schools it was very bad, rock and brick throwing, fights an brawls and even stabbing and shootings.
Sounds very similar to what went on in Yonkers, just north of the Bronx, during that same time period.
Honestly if u read a lot about busing it was happenen everywhere... An dude it stills goes on today I went to high school with tons of townies they use a familys address either in meffa malden somerville an they go to those high schools...if u have a kid that lives in charlestown an about to go to high school there going to send your kid to Brighton high or in roxbury an bro I no its not ny but the traffic In. The morn from charlestown to brighton atleast 45 min so the kids go to meffa high instead it takes 15 min to get to from the town so just Think about it...its still goin on
Back to the whops any ????? About Boston OC
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/06/12 09:18 PM
If a body is that bad we'd usually try to get the family to go for a closed casket. Some people won't cremate for religious reasons. But then you have some really hardcore Italians, who expect miracles, and want an open casket no matter what. In that case you do the best you can, but you make it clear in no uncertain terms that it was the family's call, not the funeral home's.
And yeah, I saw some pretty horrific shit over the years. People hit by subway trains, people that died on the crapper (not at all uncommon, I pulled at least a dozen people off the throne over the years), plane crashes (TWA flight 800 was horrible because a lot of body parts were found).
But nothing was worse than September 11th. We buried as little as fingernails for at least two years after the attacks. That's the main reason I have zero tolerance for left wingers who cry about Guantanamo and whatnot. I was there. Water boarding is too good for those animals.
i can only imagine what 9.11 was like pizza. a lot of the firefighters were young italian kids from neighborhoods like ours.
the worst i remember seeing was this friend of mine got hit with a .45in the back of his head. this was like '78 or nine.i never saw him get hit. he was just lying face down about ten feet from me. i remember at first i though he shot himself because the colt was dropped so close to him.he wasnt really bleeding at first,then about five six seconds later itlooked like it all came out at once.you could tell his heart was still beating.his friend kneeled down and rolled the kid over. i remember everyone just being real quiet. id rather not go into a bunch of detail about it but as you can guess it was bad. gerard. his name was. poor kid maybe twenty.
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 10:33 PM
His sexual orientation has nothing to do with this, Meffa.
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: boston - 12/06/12 10:36 PM
His sexual orientation has nothing to do with this, Meffa.
I think you don't know the meaning of it. When someone says G it means their cool, not gay
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 10:37 PM
Thanks, Nicky. What am I, retarded?
Lol dam I'm young...I think he knew wat I ment
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 10:38 PM
Lol dam I'm young...I think he knew wat I ment
It was a fucking joke for God's sake
.
Gotcha while I hot your attention when they strike (feds) u think there gunna take out all of gambini admin dom frank John whoever on top...in my opinion your gunna see something in 2013
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/06/12 10:50 PM
Gotcha while I hot your attention when they strike (feds) u think there gunna take out all of gambini admin dom frank John whoever on top...in my opinion your gunna see something in 2013
Who knows for sure? But if I was any of the top guys, I wouldn't make any long term plans, if you know what I mean. There's always an indictment lying in wait for them.
I'll say this much: I predict that if the top tier Gambinos get hit with an indictment in 2013, it will be MAJOR. Things have been too quiet. And it's not because they have great leadership (and for the record, I think they do, as far as modern day wiseguys go).
It's just that even with the smartest guys at the helm today, it's just a matter of fucking time. And you can believe that.
That's why I think this year there gunna drop something its gunna be big...i don't c these guys makin a long term run at the top but all those guys are very interesting...
An my opinion frankie is not the underboss but I really don't now if he smart after that one arrest he would make legit $ an just lay low...anyone with half a brain would not be top that's why I believe there so many of these hot shot bosses like Anthony dinunzio what a shit head they knew everything didn't even try to mix it up a bit ya now...
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/06/12 11:56 PM
jesus pizza!lol. i was loling at the first comment until i saw nickys...lol! you guys kill me!
about the gambinos. johns finished. hes gone for good in my opinion,hes not getting bail. hes going to run what he can from mdc.frankie is more than likely going to take one on the chin. hes talked to skins you better believe it.frankies pal 'm' fills his spot.or bobby moves up...dom stays untouched.
and meffa,its frankie...hes been groomed for the spot since day one.
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/06/12 11:57 PM
plus some of the old canarsie crew have left there business pretty exposed. your going to see some of the same names that were in 'old bridge'.
Gotcha....if I was them i would go to venezuela dude gambino if he goes in he's not comin out...an frank if he goes down I could picture serious time
An y do u day dom untouched
Posted By: carmela
Re: boston - 12/07/12 12:10 AM
An my opinion frankie is not the underboss but I really don't now if he smart after that one arrest he would make legit $ an just lay low...anyone with half a brain would not be top that's why I believe there so many of these hot shot bosses like Anthony dinunzio what a shit head they knew everything didn't even try to mix it up a bit ya now...
Oh but Capeci says he's the underboss so it HAS to be. Please. When things turn out to be not like they appear, somebody on here please come back and let me know what what now.
Cali' is making legit money in many different ways today. I've also been saying that since he got out.
*meffa I dropped some MMD articles off for you in the MMD thread.
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/07/12 12:32 AM
besides the fuit market with s.l.,doesnt he have business in importing fruit from italy?
I'm with ya carmela I just don't believe that he's underboss I'm not saying he dosent have a say or not powerful but everything I read it seems like he's got legit shit so if he's groomed for the future its for the future john a dom are way older than him...
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/07/12 12:38 AM
meffa,unless dom is stupid or a lot more involved than most people think,he ll be fine.
Posted By: carmela
Re: boston - 12/07/12 12:44 AM
besides the fuit market with s.l.,doesnt he have business in importing fruit from italy?
He does importing and exporting of goods, yes.
sorry I was off topic, I didn't even realize this was a Boston thread. Confused Carmela is confused.
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/07/12 12:51 AM
Confused Carmela is confused.
I drank my lunch today myself. Seriously
.
Posted By: carmela
Re: boston - 12/07/12 12:53 AM
Confused Carmela is confused.
I drank my lunch today myself. Seriously
.
I hear that.
Usually I say, "drunk Carmela is drunk" but I'm trying to be good today.
by the way, Jerk Store is on right now..
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/07/12 12:54 AM
more than likely frank takes 'one on the chin'.is down a few years. he gets out.dom steps down. he steps up.
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/07/12 12:55 AM
Fuckin Ketel One's, man. It's like drinking cold Poland Spring. It ain't even fair.
Ok but dude I feel dom might not even be boss what if its john I'm just saying an technically its suppose to be a secret hahaha
Dom probably is boss but in .my opinion ya never no they gut a few old timers
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/07/12 01:15 AM
an technically its suppose to be a secret hahaha
That
IS funny
.
Speak on it......don't hold back
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/07/12 01:55 AM
on this one you will need to draw your own conclusions.
Ohhhh I love shit....I read pizza
I love this shit.....an I read ya pizza
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/07/12 02:07 AM
i like to try and read my beer but never a pizza thats a new one on me.
and honestly i think shitting is overated.i would much rather enjoy a stroll in the park or an ice cream cone.lol.
It's a different world today for the Gambino Family. Even though morons like the Gotti's aren't in charge anymore people like Dom, Frank, and John can't stop indictments from coming. In this day and age it's impossible to hold off the Feds, it's just a matter of how long you can last.
The Gambino's have always beena a solid #2. But they can't whether the storm as well as the Genovese's can.
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/07/12 01:19 PM
hey meffa any idea hats going on in CT? Anthony Ascenzia still running it?
Totally out of the loop in CT I'm sure the other families moved in an took there peice
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/07/12 02:01 PM
thanks for repsonding
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/07/12 03:15 PM
I love this shit.....an I read ya pizza
You lost me, Meffa. You making fun of me?
and honestly i think shitting is overated.i would much rather enjoy a stroll in the park or an ice cream cone.lol.
I respectfully disagree, Sit. I was raised with the firm belief that Italians are only truly at peace when they're on the bowl.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/07/12 05:17 PM
All this boston talk and im not involved whats up giys u know im born ans raised in boston uncle connected guy love the feedbacks and convo just would like to have my input and correct certains things....meffa whats up your in the north shore different world than boston a diverse world with strong italian heritage i see the only projects thats all white in boston is none d street old colony n mccormack in southie still have whites as well as the ones in charlestown still have whitez but the blacks took over long ago the only place whites are outside of boston the inner city is all blacks and thats where everything goes down believe me kid im right in the marconi club in roxbury and huh lets just say this when i was a kid rat flemmi and martorano killed on dudley in roxbury and bowdoin on dorchester than goes to townie or southie and have a drink today of its not yuppie southie or yuppie charlestown or yuppie roslindale and westie boston was a ghetto then with oc and crooked politicains and a ghetto now with crooked politicains and young punks blacks shooting blacks
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/07/12 05:23 PM
As far as the drugs go the perks oxy and dope stay in the white kids arms even when the blacks came in boston rushing and the busing in charlstown and southie drugs was in the blacks went feom dope to coke to crack and it stuck and you see how it affected the blacks nationwide whites to but the white kids in suburbs of medford or taunton or reading perks exct oxys coke dope lsd angeldust meth been destrying lives of whites as much as it crack do blacks in roxbury how i know i see it and its sad ..
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/07/12 05:27 PM
Drugs don't discriminate, Joe. White, Black, whatever.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/07/12 05:34 PM
My uncle a made guy dont tell me much for those who know me but he do tell me its a mess the old timers want nothing to do with new faces even some old ones ...everyone keeping to themselves and low profile and saids sissys like me lmaol lol and us on these boards or anyone thats fascinated or interested lol should be trying to figure out the rats or feds lol instead of whats going on in a way of life tht dont exist but makes u italian lol he saids in italian lol with a grin classic for the movies....i ask u this meffa u do know ur stuff being in medford and ur dad is right about beat soldiers on every corner but u know and u see my name joseph j.r. Russo a classic mobster being from eastie and u in medford not to far apart tell me where mr j.r. russo used to hang and along with his crew members, if you know ?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/07/12 05:43 PM
They sure dont but its funny how the whites got its own world and its own provlems blacks full of mishaps and its drug od choice just in my days it was more of a party thing but now its like a diease ....back when my uncle and dad was jn their prime and my beak was getting wet it was more like everyone even the honest guy delivering mail was respectful to this thing now its like a circus the young kid making pick ups for the bookie think hes a mobster doing pick ups a guy 50 years old was doing pick ups and he was a connected guy with the whole family now a punk kid pushing pills and doing pick ups that dnt know nobody is a gangster see the difference
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/07/12 05:53 PM
now its like a circus the young kid making pick ups for the bookie think hes a mobster
There's nothing more repulsive than a 25 year old kid on a half sheet who thinks he's Al fucking Capone.
But as far as the "changes" to the life? It will never be the same. Between assimilation and the Feds, the whole thing is a shadow of its former self. It will never be like it was. Don't matter where you live, either. Boston, New York, Chicago, wherever.
I'm not saying it's over becuase there will always be people who want to gamble and borrow money, but the glory days of Italian American LCN are are in the rear view mirror.
Russo finally I've been waiting for yeah...considering I'm 26 I feel I have a good grasp on now an then...russo lived an breathed eastie he might have been the only guy to really have that European deaf lol with that hats an shit...were he Hung out I'm not sure...
Russo was well respected by EVERYONE carozza not as much from what I understand u didn't fuck with that dude he had juice
Posted By: Scorsese
Re: boston - 12/07/12 06:23 PM
Russo I believe was in the admin. I think I read In underboss that carozza was to be shot on sight if he left eastie how true is that an why didn't gerry like carozza
That fucking nut when to California an blew barboza away with a fucking. Shotgun talk about balls
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/07/12 06:29 PM
Check your pm, Meffa
.
Russo I totally agree the old timers want nothing to do with the new faces why would they there clearly not smart... An carozza challenged the admin...when did carozza get out an wats his status your opinion... I stay away from wiki i don't believe any of that shit
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/07/12 07:07 PM
now its like a circus the young kid making pick ups for the bookie think hes a mobster
There's nothing more repulsive than a 25 year old kid on a half sheet who thinks he's Al fucking Capone.
pizza you described my early twenties to a fucking 't'!lol.
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/07/12 07:13 PM
now its like a circus the young kid making pick ups for the bookie think hes a mobster
There's nothing more repulsive than a 25 year old kid on a half sheet who thinks he's Al fucking Capone.
pizza you described my early twenties to a fucking 't'!lol.
I was actually talking about myself thirty years ago. See, all of this "guidance" that I offer is actually self-hate
.
They sure dont but its funny how the whites got its own world and its own provlems blacks full of mishaps and its drug od choice just in my days it was more of a party thing but now its like a diease ....back when my uncle and dad was jn their prime and my beak was getting wet it was more like everyone even the honest guy delivering mail was respectful to this thing now its like a circus the young kid making pick ups for the bookie think hes a mobster doing pick ups a guy 50 years old was doing pick ups and he was a connected guy with the whole family now a punk kid pushing pills and doing pick ups that dnt know nobody is a gangster see the difference
ehhh don't be jealous of generation X drugs are the future of the mafia JOE RUSSO ON CRIME
Why not double dip when you don't make shit on collections
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/07/12 08:55 PM
now its like a circus the young kid making pick ups for the bookie think hes a mobster
There's nothing more repulsive than a 25 year old kid on a half sheet who thinks he's Al fucking Capone.
pizza you described my early twenties to a fucking 't'!lol.
I was actually talking about myself thirty years ago. See, all of this "guidance" that I offer is actually self-hate
.
i still remember. 1966. my father throwing a fit in the kitchen. 'mother fucking,god damn, cock sucking, muther fucking, peice of fucking shit!' the ny lottery bill was just passed.lol.
actually business really didnt fall off until the late seventies when the neighborhood started changing..
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/07/12 09:03 PM
actually business really didnt fall off until the late seventies when the neighborhood started changing..
Coinciding with the introduction of the state's daily number. No coincidence there, buddy
.
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/07/12 09:26 PM
lol.yeah the last guys stopped using the 'brooklyn number' and just went to matching the ny pick 3. good layoff too.lol.
Posted By: artichoke
Re: boston - 12/08/12 01:26 PM
Russo hung on maverick square and bobby carrozza is his half brother so I dont think anyone was shooting him, on site.Oh daryl whiting called himself God and caught a life sentence. How about the code of silence boys. Do any of you guys remmember them.
Artichoke carrozza wad his half bro but in the underboss book on wire taps anguilo is heard saying that he hated him an thought he was an ass an he said to ppl that carozza was to be shot on sight if he left eastie
Maybe he was exagerating but he said it lol
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/08/12 04:28 PM
meffa what underboss book?
Gerry anguilo his story its called underboss...dude its such a good read
Great book. You ever read the godson meffa?
Godson nahh I haven't heard of it plz tell me what that's about I'm already interested lol
It was by willie fopiano. north end guy that worked wth meyer lansky.
No shit ill look into it thanks dude
Posted By: Avellino
Re: boston - 12/10/12 12:35 AM
Floppy was the real deal. He ruled out of the Florentine Cafe. He would beat up junkies and was working for the CheeseMan and the Canadian.
Never heard of him but from what I understand...he might of exaggerated a little bit...was he an informer
Posted By: Avellino
Re: boston - 12/10/12 09:04 PM
Flobby was a boxer. Back then they really hated drugs. The drug business took off in the late 60s and early 70s in the North End. Endicott Stret Gang would fight Fleet St Gang. There were many murders in the North End in the 1970s.
Avelino were you FROM not live...
Posted By: Avellino
Re: boston - 12/11/12 06:35 AM
North End and Italy
Niice I go into town all the time I live it in there...me an my wife go to paglucas in a weekly basis lol...I got some good friends in town not connected guys just kids I went to high school with
Posted By: Avellino
Re: boston - 12/11/12 04:01 PM
It is all changed now. Kind of sucks. When I came to the North End in the early 1970s there were only a handful of restaurants . Mostly poor peasants like me lived in the North End. Now it is loaded with restaurants and assholes.
Lol all suffolk an northeastern kids mad yuppie area now but ya gutta love the NE
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/13/12 10:12 PM
Sorry about the stay away my wife hates my hobbies anyways avelino thats a good one u mentioned and im going ask about him and read about him that must of been in buccola and lombardo days or early in ray sr time idk but im guessing my uncle have to know him ....im in the city everyday and yes its changed alot and technology is a mothedfucker and i say that and drugs pills and dope esp. Is the killer besides the rats...i love true honest gentleman that are gangsters that does the way it supposed to be done
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/13/12 10:31 PM
Growing up in and around knowing some players active not active that we mentioned its an eye opener not only feeling but as well seeing it in a view that yous sees it from so its good but i mostly care about the old timers and the pure ones such as god rest his soul the late great j.r.russo sameul granito mad dog nazzaro red bird gomes anthony sellvelitti to name a few thats what i do ....another gangster that always blows my mind idk y cause hes not italian but man a bad man joe macdonald and jimmy sims u hear some of their stories u might get scared urself lmaol
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/13/12 10:38 PM
Growing up in and around knowing some players active not active that we mentioned its an eye opener not only feeling but as well seeing it in a view that yous sees it from so its good but i mostly care about the old timers and the pure ones such as god rest his soul the late great j.r.russo sameul granito mad dog nazzaro red bird gomes anthony sellvelitti to name a few thats what i do ....another gangster that always blows my mind idk y cause hes not italian but man a bad man joe macdonald and jimmy sims u hear some of their stories u might get scared urself lmaol
If u have some great knowledge y don't u share...an the way u speak of them u talk as if there your heroes I understand being interested but dude there's a difference between interested an looking up to these guys....they never worked a hard day in there life they just steal...extort hard working ppl...u say your related if I was related to a connected guy I would never say it on the internet or to anyone....
So I ask u russo what can I learn from you
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/14/12 02:48 AM
What u want to learn and why not say it im peoud of my heeitage and understand the concept i also understand its something italians been doing for 500 something years ago and thats as well as my family im proud amd lol its not like u know who i am or my connected family are my pop did great of keeping our nose clean his kids and on a straigjt path but look at me know lol with an interest as if i was never italian lol and theres always that uncles that draws you in know what i mean
Posted By: carmela
Re: boston - 12/14/12 02:53 AM
Are you all on a different keyboard or something?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/14/12 02:55 AM
And avelino willie was a small hood you right he hung at florentine but they say he was a nobody or small timer had connections but made it inro a book they say the only people who dealt with meyer is ray sr lombordo bucculla doc sagansky cheeseman churrica and king solomon temeleo probably did thays what the old timers said at the card games lil earler whn i asked about him lol said hes no one where to be found one old timer said he lives in the charles hotel with the rest inderseriables lmaol that means the charles river lol
russo if your talking about willie living out of a hotel your wrong. he died in 95 of cancer. willie was a the real deal and delt with meyer i know that for a fact.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/14/12 03:35 AM
Are you all on a different keyboard or something?
Ireallywishuguyswouldlearngrammarandpunctuationsoiknowwhatthehellyouretalkingabout!
Posted By: carmela
Re: boston - 12/14/12 03:39 AM
Are you all on a different keyboard or something?
Ireallywishuguyswouldlearngrammarandpunctuationsoiknowwhatthehellyouretalkingabout!
I'll have you know that after 2 shots of my new S'mores flavored vodka, it all makes sense.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/14/12 04:36 AM
Some people got auto correct and thts a pain in the ass on these phone s but idk boston george again no beef or saying ur a liar but the people i know said whst they said and thats from like 8 old timers in a heated card game for all i know they couldve hated the guy or owed him money the eay they hold grudges so ill ask a more lets say level headed guy for a more real no fabrication point of a view
its all good joe i didint think you were calling me a liar. I think you and meffa post some great stuff on here. look forward to reading more.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/14/12 06:40 AM
Some people got auto correct and thts a pain in the ass on these phone s but idk boston george again no beef or saying ur a liar but the people i know said whst they said and thats from like 8 old timers in a heated card game for all i know they couldve hated the guy or owed him money the eay they hold grudges so ill ask a more lets say level headed guy for a more real no fabrication point of a view
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/14/12 06:45 AM
Sorry double posted and thanks this is a great site and having boston people and those from the surrondings areas are a good thing i love anything that involves supports etc boston and its involvement ok n sports politics crimes history whatever being a boston guy try to open a few eyes and learn as well feom me fellow bostonians and italians
Posted By: Avellino
Re: boston - 12/15/12 02:17 PM
Jimmy Limone would have been the mob boss in Boston if Patsy Barone did not kill him.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/15/12 02:38 PM
Its not limone its limoli peter had a brother i think he was jimmy oe james but theh called him nino ...the limoli u talking used to rip off card games of the anguilos cause like alot of people didnt think jerry deserved his wealth and power so unlike others the challenwged him and vot clipped along with pattrizzi anothee guy thoigh the same did the same anded up the same clipped
Russos right read my post with the link its about limoli..... James nini limone has a small square dedicated to him in the NE I think on Salem st...
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/15/12 08:12 PM
What became of Patsy Barone after he got out of jail? I never understood how he was made to look like a victim when there was no denial that he murdered Limoli. Is he still involved in LCN? His name never came up again after he got out.
Never heard nuttin pro moved to greenbo Alabama
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/16/12 03:37 AM
Never heard nuttin pro moved to greenbo Alabama
Whose Pro??
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/16/12 04:13 PM
just bought Underboss
You'll like it...its got a lot of good stuff
Underboss is probaily the most complete book about boston LCN. I think those guys also wrote black mass but I could be wrong.
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 12/16/12 05:36 PM
Anyone know history on who ran Lowell before before all these gangs?
Lowell is like 25 min from Boston back in the day day it was a mill town...a lot if irish in lowell...but never really heard of any OC in lowell,,might be just never heard my uncle lives in tewksbury the town next to lowell
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/17/12 12:50 AM
I dunno..but when u speak of Lowell i think of my buddy Billy Barnoski,doing life in Shirley Medium for clipping Jackie McDermott(bookie) back in the 80's in Lowell because Jackie was a rat. Tried to kill his son also, and Billy doesn't mind telling u either,about any of his bodies for that matter....
im sure lowell isnt short of its nut bags
Posted By: Mick7
Re: boston - 12/17/12 02:36 AM
Jackie and Byron Valhakus ran everything in the Merrimack Valley. The kicked up to Indian Joe Nostralgi out of Medford. Whitey wacked Indian Joe and sent Barnowski to work with Jackie. Jackie was going to flip ( still a ton of doubt up here about that) but Ive seen the files. Barnowski killed him and shot his son peter in the mouth. After that OC up here died down. You have your poker machines in bars and what not and your bookies and dealers. But nothing OC. Just regular street toughs trying to make a buck. A friend of mine did about 16 years in walpole and shirley max with Billy and still helps his wife to this day.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 05:53 AM
Mick is very right besides jack mcdermott indian joe and wild billy b theres really not much notable figures in lowell but i knw this when old man ray died i know gambinos came to split the towns up and they took over lowell and everything west of worcester and old man carl rest his soul was given worcester scibelli given springfield and etc ...why the family let them split idk but it sure did ....when i ask my pops and uncles y they always tell me i wannna know things thats not my business lol
the gambinbos took over lowell is that what your saying.....if so that is not true at all
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/17/12 02:50 PM
It seems hard to believe that the Gambino's or any NY family would just come in and start taking territory, especailly as well as Ray Sr. was respected. He was brought in to mediate many NY family disputes and was one of the most respected Don's in the country. I know Ray Jr. didn;t hold a candle to him but I do think some respect would be paid...at least initially...
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 12/17/12 03:16 PM
Some info at the very bottom of this page is relevant to Lowell. Was just wondering if anyone knew anything more from that era or before. Grew up in the area and just curious to hear more OC history. Dunno what we would do without google.
http://www.wrko.com/whitey-watch
azguy russo is wrong... dude there are no gambinos doing shit in lowell if anyone is doin it its gunna be boston guys...
genovese got worscester and whatever else past there including springfield but the rest of mass is NE LCN
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 05:33 PM
Thats how its supposed to t but its not ask your connected friends if they really connected cause google howie carr or no book going give u as we know the hill and patraica was in business 50/50 of thd hill gambling shylocking sports whatever, indian al was under the hill that meant protection from in town ,mcdermott had protection from indian al so he was not to be muscled in right ??
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 05:57 PM
Wrong anguilo held a bunch of barboorh and poker games in lowell that area esp one in some church running bingo games for a fake charity raking in a huge profit and i forget the namw of that socail club but twice a week fronting for another charity event raking 100,000's a week again all profit so when anguilo went down and weak ray jr took over to show his apprecation for the ny family gambinos was told get lowell and that area thinkng big of anguilos operation over there...overtimethings died down mcdermott on the wheel ro squeel the got clipped and hispanics cambodians took over with gangs and took over lawrnece then ray jr with all his problems with j.r. Russo vinny baxkfired when j.r. Russo wss tires of ray jr bullshit and fucking things up he wnt to john gotti and got permission at a sitdown
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 06:12 PM
Either ray jr changed administration and sitdown or get clipped approval the right way so ray jr sat down making four guys carm richie flam bobby d and vinny freddy well respected nicky bianco was appointed boss j.r. Russo consgliere all this was after underboss willy grasso got clipped and hit gone wrong on mick rat salemme so since ray jr took over was really he let things fuck up so bad never took over then the indictments came right after on evereyone that mattered but everyone.....so they respected ray sr paulie frank intiso donny anguilo zannino granito but they was all gone commisioned appeoved russo request after he wacked grasso to yea wack the boss to run the famiky the right way and during the whole time
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 06:17 PM
Nothing happened in lowell but mcdermortt being clipped im sure whatever deal was made 60/40 or65/35 70/30 50/50 55/45 whatever was made im sure gambinos was in and out with the profit just like the genevose are with springfield and just coming to collect the check with very clean handz .... And that was lowell
no way dude name one just one gambino guy in lowell never....never was a deal with the gambinos just the genovese on western mass...your info is false ny guys never heard of lowell NEVER
GAMBINOS IN lowell r u serious
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/17/12 06:25 PM
your info is false ny guys never heard of lowell NEVER
The kid is right.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 06:40 PM
Lol believe whst u want but knowing and thinking is two different things and not like the ny guys came came to lowell to make it bensonhurst or ozone park or even north end a deal was made wheee they get cut from the operation anguilo was running profiting huge i mean aftee anguilo went to the can winter hill was done dealing with lcn for the most part immadietly so whatever mxdermort had was just problems kid after that he lost eveeything numbers clubs loan whatever his cut was even smaller for whatever he was left or came upon and that was.t much cause lowell aint much to begin with so why a solder give up his operation for lowell like i said in aprrecation from ray jr tjey get got a cut from lowell based on what anguilo had going thinking it was a goldmine now if they wouldve set it up the way anguilo did a soldier or two mightve been put there to oversee things for them but since they seen it was nothing at all they just collected their blessings
think about it russo the old man gave western mass away why would he or his son give a city 25 min from boston to an ny family...
if the gambinos got lowell we all would no it just like everyone nows about the genovese in western mass...
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/17/12 06:47 PM
if the gambinos got lowell we all would no it just like everyone nows about the genovese in western mass...
Exactly. They have a hard enough time keeping a secret of what they have going on here in New York.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 06:50 PM
They didnt get it u think about it what was lowell to begin with nothing exactly the old man only did that deal of a part of the western so he can be the overseee of the pinball and coin machines unions and cause the old man is from the western mass worcester, he knows its only so much to make so why not share western mass and keep the good parts of connecticut hartford new haven etc so being a commision guy he knew sharing whike earing a promotion in a racket is only more profitable than keeping limited territory know what i mean
back to my point the gambinos did not split shit in lowell..
gambinos never got any money from lowell not even once,,not even a split on something nada,, you think these grinders are going to give up money to ny,,not one cent more than they have to
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 07:02 PM
Now ray jr in the other hand was dumb to begin with giving away parts and raxkets and oppurrunities piece by piece and lowell was a crumb of it thats it ray j.r barely got boss zannino knew he was foing go soon and didnt want it paulir frank aka paul intiso was to low key and predicted this amongst the seniors of lcn so he ran it horeibly destroyng and leading the family to destrucrion he gave zannino consgliere for his support so why not a piece od action in two nit lowell the hill was a ok n dept nearly 500,00 going back to howie winter so what was lowell really ?? You answsr that for me since u want ask questions so much like im fugazy or wvwn fibbing what was lowell how much was it really making ??? Whats was the potentional and y it was never exploited if there was ok ne ???
Gambainos dont even know where lowell is. Is john martarano still considered a capo russo?
george u mean james not john
my dude what post was for you russo... on your last post that made no sense AT ALL
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 07:16 PM
how about this if lowell was even worth anything y wadnt a si.gle msde man there? Was lowell ever considered a money town ? And mentioning martorano his book would be the only book to have that info but he didnt prob cauze his brother he never incriminated his bro or snitched on his bro and that can be a reason but now what ur doing is questioning me so asnwer my questions
Good book but yeah he dont talk to much about his brother being involved. You and I Russo come from the same background only I dont ask questions to my relatives like your allowed to. I still can't belive Rossetti flipped. I known him all my life.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 07:29 PM
So u telling me anguilo never has games and fake charity events? Or are you telling me the ny families not one but all supported ray jr promo ? And that he never gave zannino consliere for his supprt? And i gave my facts or as you call it my version now what book you read makes you think otherwise or is it because its the gambinos its not true? Answer me ? Ray jr wouldnt show some gratitude and apprecation for their suppprt ? Saying that is like saying j.r.russo never got gotti approval cause he s a gambino boss?? Answer me
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 07:31 PM
Oh beloeve me im not allows i ask but far from allowed lets just say when i ask its more past events ans people dont mean i get answered but they catch my drift
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 12/17/12 07:50 PM
Didn't mean to start an argument here. Wish I had more details or could remember more from the time. There was a place called celebrity lounge that i heard fam and friends talk about alot. never able to get any names though. maybe you guys are right and it was just never a money town. Thank you Meffa and Russo, you guys really keep this thing going.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 07:50 PM
No one wants so aswer my queations now or probably reading a book or google lmaol hey i be back ok
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 07:55 PM
Not at all just i know what im talking facts u cant take back events that are real know what i mean lowell jus wasnt nothing never was nkw lets talk real mob talk whos is thw crrent consligiere
russo im working i have a job...u say u gave facts u didnt give one fact im sure there was money in lowell i just disagree with your hole theory that the gambinos took a part of lowell...
russo u say u ask your relatives these questions... if my family was conected i wouldnt be on some forum telling everyone..your probably in your moms basement on bennington street straight chilling...dude your wrong deal with it...and your grammar and sentence stucture is worst than mine,,fuck dude
you say u have facts nothing that anyone post on here is a fact if theres no proof...an i cant even answer your questions because i dont understand them
your so called relatives must be proud
george there are some charts i have seen that list him as a south shore capo,,so i understand the question but im not sure dude i no he got pinched in 94 95 ill post the article if i find it
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 12/17/12 08:30 PM
Thats great Meffa
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/17/12 08:35 PM
Interesting they would reach out to the NE family to have something like this done, good piece Meffa...
Thanks Meffa. I remember reading in mafia dynasty a book about the gambinos(no mention of lowell) and they say something about jimmy being a captin from boston. Great article gave me a little something to read on this rainy day.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/17/12 08:58 PM
On benninton huh lol or u understand my questions bht cant answer i tell u this meffa i know im right asnwering me is simple? Did ray jr reward zannino for his support? Did anguilo run barbooth games ans bingo poker games in lowell? did russo get gotti approval ? And better yet wjy wasmt there never a made guy there running middlesex in a whole? Like i told u bedoee for no reason to lie about my relations and background you donr know my name so what does it matter
yes ray jr awarded zannino everyone nows that....i have not a clue in the world if there were games in lowell...russo got gottis approval for what...
teach me something please i havent read an insightful post from u yet
Russo you need to relax brother its just a message board. The Gambinos dont run lowell honestly im laughing even thinking about that. i like what you post and i know you come from some serious in town guys but your wrong here brother.
thank you george look im gunna stop posting im done with this lowell thing...does anyone have anything to add or ask i just wanna get off this lowell subject im going to ignore anything about it.....
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 12/17/12 09:33 PM
Agreed. back to Boston and RI. Thanks Meffa.
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: boston - 12/17/12 10:03 PM
I heard the Colombos did/have a crew in New England. Is that true? Is it in Boston, Providence, or Connecticut
Yes there was a NY guy that Carmine Persico set up there. Can't remember his name though! Will ask around.
deleo he was in somerville
they called him the street boss for them...he did time with ally boy
ralph deleo i remember when he got pinched a while ago everyone around here was shocked i dont think anyone new...well us civillians
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/18/12 12:06 AM
Yeah,DeLeo. I guess he did a ton time already. He was arrested along with a friend of a friend of mine, Darin Bufalino.
I heard he's actually from Somerville not just operated there. Kinda strange how a somerville guy ends up a Colombo guy, did that come of him and ally boy doing time together?
i dont think hes from somerville not sure though...i read somewhere he did time with ally an he really trusted him i geuss...deleo didnt rat sooo idk
Posted By: Mick7
Re: boston - 12/18/12 01:23 AM
Meffa what is the powerful family in worcestor they have been down there for a long time. Everyone in that area fear them. i want to say he was with the Genovese and then his son or nephew took over. I think your right about the gambino thing but Russo usually has solid info. I am young im 28 I dont ever remember my old man telling me those guys used to be around. Robert DeLuca was doing some big thigns in Lowell with Jackie and them. they were doing a bunch of stuff in billerica at Mac2's a dirty strip club. they have trailors out back for the prostitutes etc. Also Chuckie flynn was doing a lot of things in this area also. My father said he was the real real deal. But Unlike Medford and the other cities around Boston Lowell was mostly Irish and greek and still is today besides all the friggen no tough asian gangs came into the city. Talk about not bening tough unless you have a gun. those guys aggravate me. Lowell is a boxing city and had a ton of street fighters, bar room fight type of guys. Not really a huge OC presence up this way other then Indian Joe, jackie, Byron ( my old man says he was the toughest guy in lowell for years and my old man is a legend up here so if he gives credit i figure the guy was legit)A few winter hill guys and deluca.
Posted By: Mick7
Re: boston - 12/18/12 01:28 AM
I read that he did time with Ally boy and that is how he got his button. Suppose to be a huge earner so that gave him an up with ally. When they needed someone to be the guy on the street they chose him. he was made in like 88 I believe. But your right he was introduced to them in the can....South end did you time? I have an uncle who has done about 25 years total older guy. Used to collect for chuckie flynn and run some numbers etc when they were locked up together. I was told he beat Timmy mello in a fight at concord. many guys doing time there at the time confirmed it so that tells how my uncle could handle himself. before mello became a rat he was feared and respected
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/18/12 01:43 AM
Boston george i never said they took over lowell but more getting a piece of lowell complimented by ray jr and meffa read my posts russo got gotti permission to wack ray jr if he didnt step down after grasso was clipped that happened ...thats when ray jr inducted the four and nicky bianco and russo ferrara was the administration thats why he got permission from gotti shortly after the indictments came down ray jr nicky ferrara bobby russo biago spucky spag dee dee connecticut guys pretty matty and a bunch more .....and the deleo is perfect example to prove my point ...and in the 60's ray sr sent nicky bianco pop werner j.r russo mad dog nazzaro and a few more to help settle the colombo wars and that was then who knows why a somerville guy wnded up in a ny crew i mean he was good enough for his name to clear to get made remember if the public or even me a connected guy son knew everything that thing italian/sicilian thing of theirs wouldnt last that long at all now would it meffa
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/18/12 01:48 AM
Hey just to say i knew mello he visited the marconi club the italian vets club in east boston tough and feared but not a good fighter would fight wth best fighter biggest heart but not a great fighter
russo nows everyone,, the macaroni club r u plugged in dude
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/18/12 03:14 AM
Mick7 I did time for heroin trafficking and thats how I met my pal Billy Barnoski from Somerville,a Winter Hill guy from Howie's day not so much Whitey. When DeLeo got busted thats when billy told me how he knew him in the federal system,because at the beginnning of billy's life sentence for clipping mcdermott in lowell he was transferred to the federal system for 8 years,and was with ralph in terre haute it was i believe.
meffaboston what do you know about Anthony Barry from Medford? I used to hang out a lot with him in Shirley medium,liked him a lot,real gentelman. Obviously, as we were friends I never really considered asking him exactly what he was into on the streets but everyone else around including billy b. and other serious guys of that sort swore he was one deadly motherfucker,and i never doubted it. Anthony ended up beating up a C.O. for taking stuff from his cell and getting about 18 months in D.D.U. so we all ever saw him again and of course i went home,he's in the max now again.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/18/12 03:16 AM
Also whats there to be known about Biaggio DiGiacomo? Are any of his sons active?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/18/12 03:20 AM
Told yous my whole family is connected big time i live a normal paisant life but being so close and direct to that life is different i too have a life a wife kids couple old grown men i look after still talkin about the 60's and guys you have to yell at they so old lol anyway im ok n here like the rest of yous as a hobby and to learn as well notbing to glamorize just being interested ...some know my interest and curiosity and understand others lets just say it can get ugly over a card game huh ? And im fine with that i know who i know and what i know amd know im a certain mans son and product of that last name but i got my respect for being me not trying to be like my pops or uncles and grandfather or even my ass kissing fake politician brother for being me proud of my family heritage culture race and most of all my mom amd pop they raised us right from wrong like my brother and cousin one a gangster likebour old men and my brother a fake politican we chose ohr paths on our own because ... My parents taught is good thats why im so compfortable being who i am speaking the way i do
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/18/12 03:29 AM
Also whats there to be known about Biaggio DiGiacomo? Are any of his sons active?
Here's his restaraunt in Waltham. I've been there a couple of times, really really good. He actually seated my wife and I. I think he runs it with his sons. I'm pretty sure he didn't get back in after doing his time.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/18/12 03:30 AM
Biago sits at his resturaint in waltham with his sons they appear to be legit but for all i know they can be running card games and sports betting in that area being mentorsd by their dad who has great sicilian ties and structure to stay low key nose clean and follow the rules and be men of respect ...old man biago sit backs and live his days you ask me whatever hes running is real low key and a tight circle so he keeping law enforcement away he can be seen freely and frequently up to date at his resturant biago gave his support for j.r.russo and ferrara saying they shouldnt never let a boss ruin the family and he a capo then supported them
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/18/12 03:32 AM
Hey southend are u from boston if so what part of the south end
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/18/12 03:33 AM
hell it was a suprise to ny guys to.lol. a guy who was close with that gang told me one day that 'the son brought down some bookie from boston' to run things.lol. said it would be a miracle if he knew how to tie his shoes.i guess you could say the ny didnt exactly 'favor'him.lol.
never heard of him im only 26
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/18/12 03:40 AM
Biago came over with permision from buccullo boss of boston long ago wbo retired and lived his days in sicily running a wine garden ...gave biagos father ok to send biago vito deluca and few more men to come to boston to avoid a big war that was going on biago was made both in sicily and u.s. ...im sure they both was alive ray sr and philip buccolo more sicilian guys wouldve been in boston helping the family steer ship
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/18/12 03:42 AM
I think that Barry is doing life for murdering Mucka McCormack in Malden in '99. I read that he was tight with Billy Angelesco and was big in the Medford/Malden rackets.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/18/12 03:48 AM
I dont know hom but what i hear from the older guys and the media besides being a hothead hes a guy you want on your side he will ride intil the wheels fall off loyal !!! greg costa brother is coming home real soon w ok nder of hes going get made
The Genovese family has always shared Worcestrr with the Patriarca family. An old timer Carlo Mastrotatoro just passed away. Carlo had a yound little sidekick who has since taken over. Domenic S------ is his name. Smart kud, tough as naiks, last I read he is living between New York and Worcester. There is also Paulie Santo, Chet Iaconi, then there goons the Heppenstall brothers who have an impressive checkered past! From trafficking to bookmaking.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/18/12 02:34 PM
The Genovese family has always shared Worcestrr with the Patriarca family.
Springfield too...
True, think the Genovese were stronger the last 30 years there though! Ray Sr passing really was the end for the Patriarca family! Jr Russo and Larry Zannino got screwd andsent away
Posted By: Mick7
Re: boston - 12/18/12 05:42 PM
Barry is up at Shirley max now. He punched a screw where he was either at the medium or at norfolk. I have a budddy who is a screw up there now and knows him well. Barry was also friends with my buddy from lowell who was real close to billy B. Last name Riley
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/18/12 07:30 PM
He's in the max,Anthony B. It happened in Shirley Medium, i watched it all from the weightroom window. The screws were tearing his cell apart while he was out in the yard,someone told him and he gave someone his radio and calmly walked out of the yard,approached IP Smith and put him on the ground and grabbed his walky-talky and started swinging it at his head. CO Stone came running up behind Anthony, and Anthony turned around and fuckin speared him to the ground. But thats right when about literally 50 cops came running and piled up onto to anthony and took him to the hole. He's back in the max out and done with his d.d.u. time. I had breakfast with him that morning just like very other morning, and that was the last time i'll prolly ever see him. He's doing life for the Kevin McCormack murder which i've been told was really B.A. But it was before B.A. was ever made and he did the hit for Barry. Anthony's a solid guy,and a killer no doubt.
Anyways what pissed him off so much was,Anthony had his own single cell wich in Shirley takes you atleast two years to get,and he had tons of color porn mags,windbreaker jackets,clothes,all types of stuff that werent on his proberty books and thats what the cops were in there taking from him.He's also probly the best prison cook ive ever met,and they took his heating elemets we'd hook up under the steel seat in our cells. He's a no-nonsense type of guy and he felt disrespected,that being also the SECOND time they searched his cell that day,waiting for him to be off the unit to actually take stuff. I met him through Billy B,who i call my pal in past posts but to be honest with you I stopped being tight with Billy because he's more of a wankster these days(Anthony agreed with me on that).Billy talks to the co's more than other co's!
you guys are such losers ..nothing worse than wannabes talking about being locked up...did u fuck any guys in the can bro...i did time with him i did time with this one... r u proud of this,,do u still live with your parents
shirley max an all this talk i now him,, i think your an imposter or just a loser who did time for a DUI...morons
i think i might be done with this site to many ppl like jrrusso on here,,i now him i now everyone i was locked up this thread has turned into a battle of i now him shit
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/18/12 08:43 PM
i think i might be done with this site to many ppl like jrrusso on here,,i now him i now everyone i was locked up this thread has turned into a battle of i now him shit
I think you need to calm down.
You have only been here a few weeks! Eithrr yoh learn to ignore people like that or you should leave. However if you give them an audience they will keep talking to you. Igs amazing what happens if you dont respond or ignore someone yoh dont want to talk to.
Posted By: spmob
Re: boston - 12/18/12 09:35 PM
Is Wilson threatening to leave again? Your better off ignoring the person or just leaving. Threatening to leave just makes you look like a bad ex girlfriend. Maybe I shouldn't say anything because I haven't been a part of this thread but part of that is just cause I can't understand your spelling and punctuation guys. Its I KNOW not NOW as in I am now going to stop teaching english. lol. Just kidding. <- Thats a period. lol.
Posted By: SC
Re: boston - 12/18/12 09:42 PM
i think i might be done with this site
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/18/12 10:42 PM
i think i might be done with this site
Meffa,
There's a great feauture here called the ignore button. You don't have to see anyone's posts that you don't want to. One thing I've learned in life is that you can't change other people, but you can certainly ignore them.
When we get the occasional know-it-all, wannabe here, and he knows he's getting under your skin, he's going to continue to troll. No one takes such people seriously. So with that in mind, try sticking around.
Amen! Its a beutiful thing in life when you finally learn to ignore the people who get under your skin!
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/18/12 10:57 PM
Amen! Its a beutiful thing in life when you finally learn to ignore the people who get under your skin!
Like I do with you?
Nah, you know I love ya, kid. Good to see you posting again
.
Seriously the Jerk Store did call and they have plenty of you!
How you been Godfather? You sitting in the sun where you belong yet?
Need to start posting more often from what ive been reading! We are going way of coarse here!
I for one feel like we've gained a couple of solid posters. Sit/Gamms being one and meffa you seem to know your shit too. I always enjoy it when I can learn something new from people on here. In addition we still have guys (and gals) like PB, Dapper, Hairy, Carmela and others.
Dont get me wrong, there are definatly solid posters here! What i meant and was being a smart ass about actually was my "wisdom" regarding ignoring people! Me giving out advice on ANYTHING is scary!
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/18/12 11:08 PM
You sitting in the sun where you belong yet?
Second week of January. Hopefully staying the whole winter this year, God willing. It really depends on my mother-in-law's health and whether or not she's back in New York for treatment at Cornell. But she's a tough old bird, so here's hoping.
So when you make the trek across Alligator Alley, just remember to bring
red wine
.
She is in our prayers!
Red always on my person! However it could become a bottle of Red, bottle of White type of day!
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/19/12 01:46 AM
Hey meffa your not even from boston and who are you to say someone is lying or not u read books kid listen here i love this site for tha fact evwryone is their selves very few wannabe very few who even claim their connected or related..u been here shortly and dont know nothing but google info u dont know much kid i tell u what my father unlces grandpa call people like me you poeple on sites like this worst then the cops amd feds cause we.re interested and searching info speaking whatever we are doing being on this we are the feds or just like them and a loser or puts whatever ...so you meffa like me and everyone in here is worst then the feds ...idk how u gong feel now byt thats how the REAL gangsters 50,60,70, year old murderz extortionist criminals think of us
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/19/12 01:54 AM
For people who are a joke we can meet for lunch a group for all i care wherwvwr u want but i prefer north end and lunch dinner on me and ill show you who is a fake cause im proud who i am ..my lifestyle might be clean a straight kid as they call it but my family and my life is real and im proud of it so meffa ur not the only straigjt peraon regardless who my family grandpa pop is dont matter im a regiular paisant like you and we equal like a bum.criminal thief whoever we all are equal
Pizzeria Regina! Your paying
Anyone ever see Stripes with Bill Murray?
"Settle down Francis"
There making Portuguese guys now? Costa is a Portuguese name.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/19/12 02:28 AM
There's plenty of room here for JoeRusso, Meffa, and South End. They each bring unique perspectives to the Boston OC topic and I find it interesting. Meffa, I'm glad you started the Boston thread but that doesn't mean you get to choose who posts. There is NO need to turn on each other and start the insults. That's what gets you booted from here. Some names have been brought up that haven't in a while (Anthony Barry, Biagio etc.) and I think that's a good thing.
Like that O.G. Rodney King once said 'people, can't we all just get along'.
Now, go get your fuckin' shinebox!
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/19/12 02:28 AM
if your talking about Ricky Costa doing life in Norfolk he's not made,but from what ive heard throughout the mass prison system,Jerry Angiulo loved him like his own.
Was talking about JRRusso post saying some Costa guy was being made!
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/19/12 02:32 AM
Any idea when the two Medford kids are getting out, Scarpetti(? spelling) and Marino.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/19/12 02:34 AM
meff,every now-and-fuckin-then you DO come across some guys that are not bullshit artists.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/19/12 02:44 AM
greg costa some kid that was running with the cheese has a brother i know a costa famili not them though and your right eastharlem costa is formally a portuguese name met some cape verdeans name costa as well
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/19/12 02:45 AM
Was Wilson officially banned or is he on self imposed exile like imamobguy?
Then my fault,thought ou said above a Costa was getting made? Yeah Cape Verde islands are/ were a Portuguese colony.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/19/12 03:24 AM
Greg costa is made man his brother was supposed to get i overheard at a card game his brother was to get straighten out also heard his whole family is connected or assocaites i should say for years so the costa thats in the joint may be related i suppose see what i can find out and the costas i know only knw his father through their father years back
Greg Costa is NOT a made man, he is Portuguese. He may be connected but he is definatly not made. Domt care where you hear it.
And no offense Russo, im not sure how they do things up there however I find it hard to believe there openly talking about who isnbeing made whilemyour at some random card game? Shit, thats so far fetched i cant tell if your joking around or not?
Posted By: Camarel
Re: boston - 12/19/12 01:31 PM
Was Wilson officially banned or is he on self imposed exile like imamobguy?
I don't know about Wilson but i think Imamobguy might be banned for making that fake account.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/19/12 03:17 PM
eastharlem its not like they was talking murders or who the boss likes and dislikes and its not like im a strange face they know me since a young pup and they know mu family pedigree so im pretty reliable and i just overheard that like i said so its not like they gave me a list of the new proposed members lol not at all or told me they new guy they extorted noooo lol just overheard
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/19/12 03:21 PM
Hey i though they was portuguese as well but they are not unless tou know something i dont know because if your basing off of last name then you tell me enrico ponzo is italian put i know ponzo thats hispanic so if your assuming hea not because of last names you might get a condused my friend
Regardless of who you are, if your not a "high up" its not discussed. Especially in your area where they DID catch an induction ceremony on tape! No chance! Zero
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/19/12 03:24 PM
i know ponzo thats hispanic so if your assuming hea not because of last names you might get a condused my friend
Ponzo can certainly be Italian. As can Ponzi.
Russo, the last name is a good indicator on ethnecity! Costa is 1000% Portuguese! Anither argument you wont walk away from because of your ego. I know your wrong, most people here know your wrong. But just keep digging that BS reputation you have built so nicely for yourself!
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/19/12 03:28 PM
Russo, the last name is a good indicator on ethnecity! Costa is 1000% Portuguese! Anither argument you wont walk away from because of your ego. I know your wrong, most people here know your wrong. But just keep digging that BS reputation you have built so nicely for yourself!
What did I tell you about the ignore button? You've forgottten more about this life than most online mob watchers will ever know.
Don't feed the trolls
.
As always PB you are correct! I act my age some times
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/19/12 03:54 PM
Think what u want recorded ceremony or not it was a questipn bought up at a table not like it was answered or even talked about now since u know so much go look at the cheese indictment papers its saids costa a made guy and wiretaps prove the same thinks big cheese and costa met at revere beach to discuss chsin of command with a bookie and another meeting with another gangster discussing proctection again i can prove my point can you
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/19/12 04:00 PM
To you guys just assuming with no backup info to prove your point and i have plenty lucky i dont know how to link info and ill have all types od documents on here listen here if you or anyone have no proof of your assumtion dont argue cause whatevwr you think about me or whatever cause the facts you cant change at all kid ....like i said what proof you have to support yojr theory i have plenty and gave u a couple so be like meffa and google or read a book cause thats the only thing u might know kid
Posted By: SC
Re: boston - 12/19/12 04:08 PM
Stop the pissing contest please.
Yeah were "plenty lucky" you cant source your information! Very lucky! Your a good speller too! Another thing we are lucky for! You remind me of that mean little runt in Christmas Story. Grover Dill! LOL.
Posted By: Toodoped
Re: boston - 12/19/12 04:27 PM
chill eastharlemital...theres no point,remember PB's words
I know! Just when i thought i was out, they pulled me back in!
Im officailly done now!
Posted By: KCGizzo
Re: boston - 12/19/12 04:57 PM
I thought there was a Costa group with 'ndrangheta.
Posted By: Toodoped
Re: boston - 12/19/12 05:00 PM
^^^ Nice aiming
Honestly no idea if there are any Costa clan, could be! Just know Costa is a popular Portuguese name. And the Costa that Russo was refering to was a kid who was tight with Gerry Anguilo. He wasnt a made guy though. But you could be correct about the clan.
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 12/19/12 06:51 PM
I heard Bob Costas was gonna get his button. But they gave it to Matt Lauer instead.
Posted By: Avellino
Re: boston - 12/19/12 08:17 PM
Joe Barboza was Portugese. He was not made because of that.
Posted By: LuanKuci
Re: boston - 12/19/12 09:15 PM
Don't wanna pour some gas on fire but:
- yes, Costa is indeed an Italian last name.
http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo-v...=0#.UNIuZEKWTlI
Not if JR Russo is asking
But in this case, the particular Costa he was talking about is a Goose(Portuguese)
Luan, thats a great link by the way¡
Posted By: Avellino
Re: boston - 12/19/12 09:57 PM
There was a Jason Costa that killed Joe Botari and Frank Chuicolo in 1986 in Sly Park in the North End.
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/20/12 12:08 AM
anyone know anything about wild billy grasso? from new haven
Posted By: Avellino
Re: boston - 12/20/12 12:25 AM
They found Grasso dead in a lake.
Sleeping with the fishes! Geatano Milano was the trigger man? If memory serves?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/20/12 01:24 AM
Gaetano Milano put one in the back of his head,was convicted along with Frank and Louis Pugliano and Frank Colantoni for the hit. The Pug's are out of the prison now and Lou owns a restoraunt called Monte Carlo in West Springfield. Wanna hear some weird shit? Frankie Pugs(Patriarca family) used to own Casa De Lisa and Al Bruno owned Bruno's Pizzeria,both sharing one building,right in my neighborhood. Casa De Lisa is now Olive Oil's and is now ran by Al Bruno's brother Frank's daughter,Lisa. Once i grew up and realized these guys were from two different familys(longest time i thought the Puglianos were Genovese guys) I thought it kinda strange how these guy's shared the same small little building.
Oh yeah anyway Gaetano Milano is getting out soon,not sure what happened with Colantoni far as time served or whatever.If im correct it was over a power struggle they clipped Grasso(in a van driving down the highway),something to do with the renegade faction Ferarra and J.R. Russo,Corrazza and them guys ordered it when they were in the process of taking over.Hope that answers your question brotha.
*Grasso's body was dumped n the Connecticut river and found washed up on the banks
Sure does clarify what I had in my head. I know Carlo Mastratoro played his typical games to get Grasso in the van. What I was told Carlo sent for Grasso with the intent of clipping him while on the way. Carlo wanted what Grasso had. The Carlo and Voloe split it up from what I'm told.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/20/12 02:06 AM
There was a Jason Costa that killed Joe Botari and Frank Chuicolo in 1986 in Sly Park in the North End.
According to this article, it was a Louis Costa (age 16 at the time!) and Frank DiBenedetto who were convicted. Ironic that the case may be up for appeal this year with DNA evidence potentially clearing them.
Costa, 16 at the time of the slayings, was convicted for his role in the killings, along with two others. The original verdict was overturned in 1992, and Costa was temporarily set free, but was convicted again, along with Frank DiBenedetto, in 1994. They have been in prison ever since.
The pair have been seeking a new trial since 2005, based on DNA analysis of the blood found on DiBenedetto’s sneakers. Prosecutors said the blood proved DiBenedetto was at the murder scene, but DNA shows the blood did not belong to either of the two victims. Costa and DiBenedetto are using this DNA evidence to seek a new trial.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/20/12 03:36 AM
yes that's Louis Costa son of Ricky,also serving a life sentence. Both are in MCI Norfolk along with Anthony Clemente and son Damien,who we already know are doing life for the murders of the Luisis in Charlestown at the Ninety Nine.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/20/12 03:54 AM
Looks like Ricky Costa's life sentence ended last year.
Richard Mario ‘Ricky’ Costa
Former North End resident
Richard Mario “Ricky” Costa, formerly of the North End of Boston, died April 22.
He was the beloved son of the late Clara and Mario Costa; brother of the late James (Jimmy) Costa, Dolores (Dolly) Siciliano and uncle of Mark Della Penna; father of Louis Richard Costa, Jason Costa and the late Tina Marie (Costa) Hauswirth and grandfather of Megan and Eddie Hauswith; brother of Clara Clemente, Jacqueline Martins, Lenore Martins and Virginia (Ginger) Coldwell. He is also survived by many beloved nieces and nephews.
Burial was private.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/20/12 04:29 AM
Oh,wow. Cause of death?
Posted By: Avellino
Re: boston - 12/20/12 09:19 AM
It will hard to get a new trial when they were already was a retrial. There was a lawyer who saw the murder from his window. Also very expensive for the state after spending money on 2 trials already. They have been locked up for 26 years.
Also one got off I think , Paul Tanso. Sad to see 2 die and the rest of them locked up over nothing. To throw away your life at a young age. No holidays, vacations, family,and freedom is very hard to swallow. Crime does not pay. Nothing like having freedom. To enjoy any food you like,taking a walk, drinking a beer, and anything small is the pleasure of living free.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/20/12 01:56 PM
None given, found the obit on Google. Then I looked up what he did to get the life sentence, drug robbery, executed a husband and wife in the basement, leaving their 2 year old and infant children alone for 22 hours in the upstairs bedroom. Not a very nice guy.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 12/20/12 01:58 PM
It will hard to get a new trial when they were already was a retrial. There was a lawyer who saw the murder from his window. Also very expensive for the state after spending money on 2 trials already. They have been locked up for 26 years.
Also one got off I think , Paul Tanso. Sad to see 2 die and the rest of them locked up over nothing. To throw away your life at a young age. No holidays, vacations, family,and freedom is very hard to swallow. Crime does not pay. Nothing like having freedom. To enjoy any food you like,taking a walk, drinking a beer, and anything small is the pleasure of living free.
Yes, I read a later article and their appeal was denied for a third time. Tanso was acquitted as it appears that he may not have ever been there. Everything you say is right, these guys are purely stupid.
Posted By: Avellino
Re: boston - 12/20/12 02:11 PM
Tanso provided the guns and hired F Lee Bailey to get off. Tanso's family had to sell real estate to pay for Bailey. At the end they all fucked each other to try to get off the hook. It would bother me to kill someone over money or drugs. You have to face judgement from God. That puts the fear in me. How can you live your life without thinking that? Life is a very short journey and killing with selfish reasons never works out. Being a tough guy is not worth it. Your own friend will kill you like Patsy Barone killed his best friend Jimmy Limone.
Also the ghosts of the death will not allow you to sleep at night. nothing like working for a living. I rather struggle to make ends meet than kill someone. I understand if you are doing illegal things and not killing anyone. Killing has to be the worst thing there is.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/20/12 03:21 PM
Sure does clarify what I had in my head. I know Carlo Mastratoro played his typical games to get Grasso in the van. What I was told Carlo sent for Grasso with the intent of clipping him while on the way. Carlo wanted what Grasso had. The Carlo and Voloe split it up from what I'm told.
ah, that's all BS, Grasso was wacked the same day, or close to it, that Cadillac Frank was ambushed outside the IHOP. It was a planned hit called for by the renegade Boston faction led by
Joseph "J. R." Russo, Robert F. "Bobby Russo" Carrozza, and Vincent "Vinnie the Animal" Ferrara...
What part is BS? The hitters testified they were on the way to see Mastrotatoro! What are you getting at?
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/20/12 06:41 PM
What part is BS? The hitters testified they were on the way to see Mastrotatoro! What are you getting at?
All I'm saying is you made it out to be something else than a divided family issue....you said quote: "Carlo wanted what Grasso had"...maybe he did.. but that wasn't the reason Grasso was wacked.
If you say so, however I disagree. That's why I noted Carlo and his games. There was a family struggle, way I heard it was Carlo and Volpe wanted what Grasso was taking and had so they pawned Patriarca guys into doing it. That's also what the shooter said happened! Said he was played like a fool. But I wasnt there and you sound like you know more than the guy who was there so I will take your word for it. Ironically enough Volpe and Mastrotatoro ended up with all Grasso's business!
Posted By: artichoke
Re: boston - 12/21/12 01:36 PM
ah, that's all BS, Grasso was wacked the same day, or close to it, that Cadillac Frank was ambushed outside the IHOP. It was a planned hit called for by the renegade Boston faction led by
Joseph "J. R." Russo, Robert F. "Bobby Russo" Carrozza, and Vincent "Vinnie the Animal" Ferrara
All of this was instigated by the FBI AND THE ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER.These guys went for the trap. What a shame.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/21/12 01:45 PM
i heard what artichoke heard.
Go read the article and FBI report again, they all state Graso thought he was on the way to meet Carlo for a meeting regarding vending machine locations!
Posted By: sittite
Re: boston - 12/21/12 02:44 PM
Already out-both of them.
Check out the "Masslive.com" article, it quotes the FBI report. Plain as day! Dont have FBI report so wont say without in front of me. Its all there
Above link covers how the Grasso killing and all the BS in New England shook out.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/21/12 07:26 PM
Thanks
After reading that is it all still "BS"
Another good article! That guy still write?
Not sure but I agree with u
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/23/12 01:02 PM
That was a reason he got killed anotger reason was besides muscling in he was demanding his soldiwrs not to come to boston to see admin or do business which upsetted the ct soldierz and the fact he was of hartford didnt make it.no bettee and joe russo was tired of ray jr shit and grasso was well part of it amd thats a show that had to stop
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/23/12 01:03 PM
That was a reason he got killed anotger reason was besides muscling in he was demanding his soldiwrs not to come to boston to see admin or do business which upsetted the ct soldierz and the fact he was of hartford didnt make it.no bettee and joe russo was tired of ray jr shit and grasso was well part of it amd thats a show that had to stop
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/23/12 03:57 PM
Plus grasso was another guy that got connected through the can, before he met old man he was never really connected prob knew few people that knew peopke or even few people himself but nothing serious . After he came out old man ray set him up good not surw he got made in the can or out but i got to go and ill be back to finish this up lol
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/23/12 05:49 PM
That was a reason he got killed anotger reason was besides muscling in he was demanding his soldiwrs not to come to boston to see admin or do business which upsetted the ct soldierz and the fact he was of hartford didnt make it.no bettee and joe russo was tired of ray jr shit and grasso was well part of it amd thats a show that had to stop
Grasso was from New Haven, not Hartford....Im from New Haven
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/23/12 11:28 PM
Grasso was from New Haven and was VERY well connected, not just some guy that showed up after doing his time.
He should not have been stupid enough to get into a van that day, for sure...
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/24/12 12:17 AM
true Grasso was a gangster through and through he certainly didn't just come up out of nowhere and he had a fierce rep.
Posted By: artichoke
Re: boston - 12/24/12 01:36 AM
Grasso was very well connected is right. He was with the columbos and Whitey from new haven He was led into a trap by his own people working with the Genovese family and the stupid renegades in boston who went for the Feds bs caused there family to lose conn.
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/24/12 01:43 PM
from what i have heard anthony ascenzia runs new haven right now...not sure if any of you have heard of him
He was the big bookie? Heard of him. Has he got out of jail yet? Knew he took a heavy sentence? Correct?
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/24/12 04:38 PM
from what i have heard anthony ascenzia runs new haven right now...not sure if any of you have heard of him
Wow, learn something new everyday.
In all the reading I have done on NE I have never come across his name. After a google search it appears he was a major player in CT. One article had him ready to get 23 years, seems harsh, but another looked like 4 years. There was tax evasion involved besides the gambling charges, not sure if that carries a stiffer penalty.
I was surprised that the Boston/Providence family had such a strong guy in New Haven.
Anyone know if he out on the streets again..??
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/24/12 06:59 PM
yes he is out, what you said above is correct...he got knocked with like 15 guys...all for gambling...stand up guy...pleaded guilty but wouldnt admit to being a member of any criminal conspiracy...a lot of clout around here...NY gets there tribute though thats for sure
a lot of young wanna be kids running around here these days, got 5 friends that bet with them and they think they are John Gotti
new haven has had there own mafia history...im an hour from co-op city in the bronx and about 2 hours to boston. midge "renault" was a legend, he currently sleeps with the fishes...the biggest back in the day was Ceasar Canestri, his name still makes ppl nervous and hes dead.
not sure if there is info on either midge or caesar on the net, im not computer savvy
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/25/12 12:42 AM
I found plenty on midge when looking up Ascenzia, he was the man, total real deal gangster. I'll post the links I found tomorrow.
Merry Christmas everyone..
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: boston - 12/25/12 01:11 AM
from what i have heard anthony ascenzia runs new haven right now...not sure if any of you have heard of him
The Gambino and Genovese families have at least as much of a presence in New Haven than the Patriarcas. Probably more at this point.
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/25/12 01:56 PM
ivy much respect, thats true but from living here i can tell you anthony has a lot of clout, more so than any other new haven resident that i know of...thats what i was referring to....not what family has more power. as i said NY gets their cut no matter what
the gambino bust in new haven a few months ago nettted no made members just "associates"...anybody wanna guess why? my guess is the young guys dont wanna be made...too much heat? dunno
merry christmas to all of you
someone should start a connecticut thread...a lot going on in this little state and being nestled between ny and ma/ri it is wide open for a lot of families....even jersey genovese
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/25/12 02:41 PM
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/25/12 08:55 PM
wow great read, thanks az...wow...brings back a lot of old memories
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: boston - 12/26/12 01:44 AM
ivy much respect, thats true but from living here i can tell you anthony has a lot of clout, more so than any other new haven resident that i know of...thats what i was referring to....not what family has more power. as i said NY gets their cut no matter what
the gambino bust in new haven a few months ago nettted no made members just "associates"...anybody wanna guess why? my guess is the young guys dont wanna be made...too much heat? dunno
merry christmas to all of you
someone should start a connecticut thread...a lot going on in this little state and being nestled between ny and ma/ri it is wide open for a lot of families....even jersey genovese
There was also the 2004 bust that got Megale and 11 other members and associates, including Chippy Scivola from the Patriarcas. Then the 2006 garbage hauling bust that got Matty the Horse, Galante, etc. Those were the big ones but there's been several smaller ones too.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/26/12 03:53 AM
merry christmas to all yous and good stuff on the ct guys dont know too much about ct or even anypne from ct period thats connected and what its intersting since so many families network and consist soldiers in there sort of like jersey know what i mean, and what i meant about grasso was he was, prob knew guys and did things for guys but got his button and real connection when he met old man ray in the can thats what i was told by again real valuable sources but again none of them is from ct and didnt know grasso early on so how do they know?? i to think hypothetically real often and i am very judgemental so i choose my sources and which information to consider and believe precisely...just for future referencenes or second guesses of why i might be so blunt or so firm on my word
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/26/12 03:57 AM
but very good stuff keep going please whats up with luis failla and that crowd and what happened to micheal caruana heard grasso had him clippped over some score ...caruana a revere guy connected to the in town and renegade faction another reason suspected grasso got clipped but caruan supposelly dissappeared in ct ????any info on that
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/26/12 06:25 PM
Was just told at a coffee shop that ct is a big state with alot of oppurtinities in fact was told around the time when limone took over a contract change in the garbage business was changed for you locals in boston parricular where i see almost everyday its sunrise scavanges from ct with a bunch of routes and citys where amw and other garbage companies cut down drastically and you prob noticed it and thought nothing of it i was told its to open more openings in less infrated su,h as vermont maine ...also told the old coin a matic that old man ray contolled the vending union obviously controlling distrubution vigging on contracts and more but when he died another reason ray jr was hated was he let the chicago take control with new england still getting a cut that why chicago was and still big on vending poker machines in particular coming from a sharp old man during regular old time talk ...he didnt implicate no one just knowledge from an old wiseguy
Lol russo you are hilarious....coffee shop lol
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/26/12 07:22 PM
U want to meet there so i can smack some sense to ya or i can go to shitty medford and give u a smack there u internet gangster come on have you crying like fredo ...watch ur mouth talking to me
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/26/12 07:30 PM
Russo, seriouslly, do you really think jr. would give away the old man's vending business that he controlled for 40 years and to Chicago no less. I'm calling BS.
Even if Jr. did want to run it "day to day" he would have sold it to another member or had someone do the grunt work.
Plus, your spelling and grammar is just awful, it's actaully hard to read your posts...
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/26/12 07:54 PM
Azguy answer me this so why he didnt to revere faction sonny boy pryce quintina or providence guys ...why is it chicago run vending unions ....i understand your doubts but im very judgemental and i believe this old man he very very credible and it makes lots of sense and i asked couple questions and he broke some things down to me
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/26/12 08:00 PM
You got to remember theres connected made guys who lie fabricate ecaggerate but it depends most of the times its to either prove their personal point or the way they got or avoided some big point or was there always something but because of my name and family i able to come in contact with important figures and speak to old aging wiseguys and thankfully my history lessons come from old "players" in that life
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/26/12 08:03 PM
I dont know it all at all but what i know and who i know is history so something has to be true ? No
If you had any connections to anyone, you would have been trained NOT to tell anyone anything. You coming online trying to make yourself is very sad
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/26/12 08:41 PM
"was just told at a coffee shop" lolol "this just in!"
Had to have been at Starbucks, you know where all the "connected" guys hang out!
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/26/12 09:28 PM
ivy much respect, thats true but from living here i can tell you anthony has a lot of clout, more so than any other new haven resident that i know of...thats what i was referring to....not what family has more power. as i said NY gets their cut no matter what
the gambino bust in new haven a few months ago nettted no made members just "associates"...anybody wanna guess why? my guess is the young guys dont wanna be made...too much heat? dunno
merry christmas to all of you
someone should start a connecticut thread...a lot going on in this little state and being nestled between ny and ma/ri it is wide open for a lot of families....even jersey genovese
There was also the 2004 bust that got Megale and 11 other members and associates, including Chippy Scivola from the Patriarcas. Then the 2006 garbage hauling bust that got Matty the Horse, Galante, etc. Those were the big ones but there's been several smaller ones too.
Megale got in trouble because Harry Farrington gave him up and wore a wire...he owned Harry O's in stamford and Beamers around the corner, both strip clubs
harry-o's is a huge prostitution place and video game poker place to THIS day...beamers is more legit, they are polar opposites
i dont know much about the matty the horse one besides what i have read online. i know his history, major player in genovese, recently deceased...nephew conrad took over etc etc
but i wast denying Connecticut is open territory, what i was saying in my little neighborhood in new Haven from Wooster Square to Ferry Street Anthony Ascenzia is the go to guy "from what i hear"...thats it no more no less
respect to you Ivy, enjoy your reading your posts...buon'anno
Everyone is finally seeing that russo is bullshit thank god.. coffee shop lol
Eastharlem said it best " you would be trained not to "
Russo u have turned this thread to shit...
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 12/26/12 09:50 PM
so 19 pages on boston and nothing new. limone boss no one knows for sure who acting underboss or if theres a consig. theres about 15 to 20 made guys around boston, a few in jail. mark rosetti never actual roled cause the fbi didnt want him or his baggage/bodies cause then they halve to put out all his paperwork from his c.i. days for the last 20yrs of crime. then his victims would sue the fbi some more, rosetti doing 10 yrs in some p.c. unit in mass. if you google arthur coia he was the union big shot in providence and america.
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: boston - 12/26/12 10:10 PM
so 19 pages on boston and nothing new. limone boss no one knows for sure who acting underboss or if theres a consig. theres about 15 to 20 made guys around boston, a few in jail. mark rosetti never actual roled cause the fbi didnt want him or his baggage/bodies cause then they halve to put out all his paperwork from his c.i. days for the last 20yrs of crime. then his victims would sue the fbi some more, rosetti doing 10 yrs in some p.c. unit in mass. if you google arthur coia he was the union big shot in providence and america.
Rossetti had been an informant for years so he did roll.
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 12/26/12 10:14 PM
ya but he held information from the fbi and they didnt come to his ruscue like p.j. piscotti ect. yaeh your right he did roll.
Everyone is finally seeing that russo is bullshit thank god.. coffee shop lol
Sorry I'm fucking stoned...he rolled alright,,the feds made out got tons of info on him an his crew an he got 9 years state time..when rossetti got pinched it was the staties not fbi
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/26/12 11:44 PM
Sorry I'm fucking stoned...he rolled alright,,the feds made out got tons of info on him an his crew an he got 9 years state time..when rossetti got pinched it was the staties not fbi
i wouldnt count out the feds pressing some charges on mark as well in the future (prob after deluca testifies against whitey and that case is done)...as far as im concerned he will probably not see freedom outside the can ever or until hes a very old man.
I totally agree dap,, they have soooo much shit on that crew...he thought he could get away with whatever an the feds would back him but the feds totally fucked him
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/27/12 01:59 AM
I totally agree dap,, they have soooo much shit on that crew...he thought he could get away with whatever an the feds would back him but the feds totally fucked him
technically he fucked himself over by continuing to commit serious crimes while an informant and not reporting it to his fbi handler, he deserves all he gets imo.
mark was suspected in a hit or two i believe, any idea who were the victim(s)?
Your right...look at salemme he did 13 yrs I think,, an the week before he was getting out they dropped more charges ,,I always wondered he must of list off someone lol
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/27/12 02:24 AM
Salemme did 11 yrs and in 1999 while serving his sentece flipped and testified against fbi agent connolly. In 2008, salemme pleased guilty to perjury and other charges and was sentenced to five yrs but given credit for four yrs he already served, he got out the can in january 2009 and went back into WPP.
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/27/12 02:39 AM
for the record i agree with you guys,meffa and east harlem.and yous are both right about not 'spilling your guts' on the web. but me i was taught not to ask. if i havent already been told something,the odds are, its not neccesary for me to know.just one more person on a long list of people who could 'throw you under the bus' so to speak,if they was so inclined. so,heres some advice to you young kids, theres a reason your old man doesnt tell you everything he knows.and just shootin the bull is fine,but be careful, you never know who ends up hearing what you say.and keep your opinions to yuorself,dont call a guy a pussy who your not one hundred percent sure you can kick his ass.
me,i was always schooled 'ears open mouth shut'.but theres a 'kicker', my pop used to say 'some conversations are best not heard'. i.e.,if it doesnt concern you,walk away. you dont want to be someones 'liability'.
Posted By: carmela
Re: boston - 12/27/12 02:43 AM
And my advice: don't ask questions. As soon as you do, you lower yourself to someone and give them the upper hand. And when anyone says, "can I tell you something that nobody else knows?" always reply, "no, you really can't." lol
I now salemme flip an all that shit I was using that as an example for what they could do to mark.. he didn't turn at first but when they hit him while in jail then he started to talk right ??
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/27/12 03:05 AM
and for the record,garbage in connecticut is run by a westside 'fella' not no boston guy.a brooklyn kid no less.lol.
Posted By: carmela
Re: boston - 12/27/12 03:07 AM
Ohhh boy.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/27/12 03:10 AM
Whatever happened to Richie & Anthony Gambale?
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/27/12 03:12 AM
i know.lol. it could be me.lol....
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/27/12 04:32 AM
I now salemme flip an all that shit I was using that as an example for what they could do to mark.. he didn't turn at first but when they hit him while in jail then he started to talk right ??
yea
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/27/12 01:37 PM
and for the record,garbage in connecticut is run by a westside 'fella' not no boston guy.a brooklyn kid no less.lol.
unless i missed it no one said that
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/27/12 05:05 PM
Whatever happened to Richie & Anthony Gambale?
There virtually zero out there about these two guys. Richie was in the Underboss book, but not much else..
Thats how its suppose to be. Sounds like they were smart
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/27/12 09:26 PM
I know Richie Gambale is made and I hear he spends all his time down in Florida,and his brother Anthony I know has been a huge earner with Carmen' s crew. But u don't hear shit about these guys you don't even see them on recent charts
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/28/12 11:15 AM
Hey yous two now i dont what kind of games or sitcom yous from but come to to my neck of the woods north end and roxbury kid ill show ya esp you suburban junkie yea i really wish i can meet yous two i promise youll get embarresed like a kid that pissed his pants in grade school ..you east harlem and u medford herion junkie yous upset yois dont know no one not a crew not a soul not even a associated guy sad and you mad at me for being brought up in that life you two sorry stupid losers anyday yous want meet you say where promise you wont be so tough then
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/28/12 11:22 AM
And you meffa you keep playing with me kid your in medford and that piece of shit junk hole is to small not to find a junkie like you amd your junkie wife might give you up amd no crying then ..because your so much of an internet gangster you will see how this thing is for real so laugh while u can buddy
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/28/12 11:27 AM
Gamms i didnt say bonston ran garbage but got routes from a ct .company in boston with bosgon getting a cut now we dont know what familiy in ct it was done with but it was done around time limone took over for all we know it can be any family that operated out ct but if you do know more let me know please
No need to insult the guys wife.
for the record i agree with you guys,meffa and east harlem.and yous are both right about not 'spilling your guts' on the web. but me i was taught not to ask. if i havent already been told something,the odds are, its not neccesary for me to know.just one more person on a long list of people who could 'throw you under the bus' so to speak,if they was so inclined. so,heres some advice to you young kids, theres a reason your old man doesnt tell you everything he knows.and just shootin the bull is fine,but be careful, you never know who ends up hearing what you say.and keep your opinions to yuorself,dont call a guy a pussy who your not one hundred percent sure you can kick his ass.
me,i was always schooled 'ears open mouth shut'.but theres a 'kicker', my pop used to say 'some conversations are best not heard'. i.e.,if it doesnt concern you,walk away. you dont want to be someones 'liability'.
Amen to that...
Yous...lol no one types like that except a fake fuck...heroin lol... Thanks George..russo u r such a fraud its not even funny...
My wifes a fucking smoke show btw...russo you official have not been laid in years..
Russo you said this thing is for real...lol kid your gone... It's actually funny now
Coffee shop your killing me...
Russo! Youse are officially a joke! Never took you serious but now its official. Youse need help! Talk to Youse people and get a name of a good Shrink. Youse will get better! Youse better do it quick.
Coffee shop,,,yous,,,lol...ppl who call other ppl junkies there usually the junkies
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/28/12 02:56 PM
Dony got time for the back and.forthif.you goi.g mwet lets meet if not like i said dont reply to my shit told you come to my neighborhood ill show you but since your a gangster on internet you wont you punk chump
Harlem..this kid is soft as a fucking grape...
Yeah yeah let's meet ahhhhh I'm sooo connected....yeah let's meet at the coffee shop hahahaha
He is softer than Puppy Shit!
Soooo your neighborhood is roxbury or north end lol
I'm 26 an intrigued by the mafia not a wannabe ,,your clearly the wannabe...I've never stated anything but the truth on here I don't lie an say ohhh I heard this in a coffee shop...lol
He may be a neighbor of mine! Sounds like an Harlem educated clown
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/28/12 03:28 PM
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Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/28/12 03:31 PM
meant for that last post to be a p.m.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/28/12 05:39 PM
I'm surprised the mods tolerate this back and forth BS about nothing. We/I are hear to talk about LCN and the guys that make it so interesting..
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/28/12 07:32 PM
Has anybody ever heard that Carmen DiNunzio was out in chicago doing things with Tony Spilotro way back in the day??
Yes Ive heard that, I actually read he was arrested with Chicago guys for a Casino deal out in California. Think article said DiFronzo was also caught up in that deal
I read he left Boston because he owed $ or something
Posted By: artichoke
Re: boston - 12/28/12 09:04 PM
He ran away from boston and he talked a lot of stuff about spillotro and his involvement. He bragged about things that should never be discussed. So who really knows who thet are and how they rose so fast. They could be real stupid and be played like a banjo by people with far more respect than they could ever have alla chin or they could be the smartest toughest guys in new england time will tell
Where did you hear he ran from boston?
I always wondered why they came up quick in NE they were in chicago go a while then when they come back there made Bing bang boom underboss an acting boss...it just makes ya wonder how they took it over..or like someone said are the older guys just smarter just to sit back an just collect your doe without some title..
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/28/12 09:52 PM
I don't know where I heard it but I read somewhere he owed Angiulo $80K and skipped out on it, went to Chicago, Las Vegas and had some dealings with the LA family.
It was approved by Angiulo that he could come back if he sent some $$ to his kid.
His rise to UB seems quick considering I think I read he cam back in 2004, or around there...
Yeah I read the same thing...there new cheese shop is right off Hanover it seems they have a solid grasp on that area when they were out
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/29/12 03:11 AM
another question has anybody read (or even heard of) a book called Mark's Card? It's by a rat named Mark Silverstein I think he's from Medford but while I was in me and some guys I was around including Anthony Barry heard it was coming out and supposedly this guy talks a bit about Anthony and that sounded interesting to me although Anthony never actually brought it up after that one time when we were told about it together I almost forgot about it but would like to get my hands on it
Posted By: stern49
Re: boston - 12/29/12 05:40 AM
Meffs and Russo.... haha... you guys have to be the same. meff, you are too funny, how you get mad over the coffee shop comment. lmao.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/29/12 05:55 PM
I just read in the Gravano's testimony about boxing that:
"Marvin Hagler was very, very close with the Petrocelli brothers — we believed that one of them might even be a "made" member of one of the New England families — but they were his trainers, and we would be able to reach them. "
How interesting is that....?
Marvin may have been tough to compromise! That guy was just such an animal! Tough tough guy! Did his morning jog in combat boots! Remember when he knocked out the "hitman"? Hearns almost lost his head! Haggler was my favorite. Blue collar, just a tactician! That Leonard fight was disgusting. Haven't watched a fight since!
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 08:54 PM
i tell yous two this yall dont crap but google be mad cause im in the streets and your intrigued and dont worry i got young pups whos lookin for a workout besides your a yung punk from rat junk town medford who know nobody nothing google thats it you really want ill intrigue all your interests about the life kid dont worry ill let you come tell it first hand and if not shut up pussy and be a follower cause medford is real small kid
youse a bad man! Russo if you have something to add to keep the conversation going than add it. its getting old hearing how tough you are! Add some Boston OC knowledge, your there in the city.
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/29/12 09:00 PM
lol.russo you got a p.m.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/29/12 09:24 PM
I grew up outside of Boston, I use to see Marvin doing his road quite often. When I was out at some of the clubs and bars in Brockton, MA Marvin would just walk in, keep in mid this was during his prime, he was world champ.
He would walk into a place by himself or with one other guy and mix an mingle with his fans. Everyone loved him, he would sign napkins or whatever we had handy. He never seems bothered by all the attention and he never had a group, driver of body guard with him.
There would have been a dozen guys that would have stepped up and beat a heckler to near death, not that he needed our help, lol..
Sometimes the place would break in applause or chants of "champ, champ, champ" as he walked in trying to slip beneath the radar.
To be next to him as he stood 5'8" and 160 lbs was amazing, he was hard as steel. A real good guy...
Those were epic fights I seen the doc on hbo..boxing is terrible now
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 09:28 PM
azguy your right its was 80 to anguilos more directly dee dee giovacchi over a deal fat cheese never paid back idk y boston let him work in chicago thought chicago was supposed to call boston to get approval for fat cheese to make sure he was ok anyway he came back after 4 year bid to boston after paying what was owed ...now he got his button soon after ...right when sonny boy rizzo both quintinas come home they startd dealin wit fat cheese and he help settle the freddy simone thing and had up n comers under his wing such as greg costa his brother tony dinunzio billy anglesco nevermind he knew the olders such as ritchie gambale carm tort the lamattinas and people like spunky spag and pryce quintina dont want the big spots so came fat cheese
Medford is actually huge lol
How many crews are there in the Boston,,just opinions..I always read different things
if any of this is accurate, yohr saying while this guy was a deadbeat they were ok with that? and then once he pays back the 80K he gets made? Russo, what was the original 80K for? you would know? what coffee shop did you hear this at? just for verification purpose! so in Boston they reward you for running away from your debts? you making the place sound bad?
Or was the real story he was given "start up" cash to buy into that California Indian Casino, it went bad they all got pinched he did his time and worked out the 80K whsn he got out of tbe can? Because if he really borrowed 80K they would have kept the juice running, zero exceptions and he woukd have owed like a billion dollars! nobody respects a deadbeat, your twisted stories are making your town sound bad!
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 09:39 PM
no harlem fake i give a lil info and im lying so being from and still in the city and yous two big mouths come in town lunch and dinner on me show yous my life no fake and dnt reply u got nothing positive kid like sharing a little of my knowledge never who but yous bullshit i dnt care u believe me or not fuck i care but you going respect me that yous nobody punks will do
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 09:47 PM
dickface he got locked up extorting 30000 from a casino in vegas ...the 80,000 wasnt start up money for your mothers brothel but more for poker games or sports betting i forget but he fucked up left went to chicago got pinched came home paid old dept to new guys in adm got made for being a great earner and respected amongst the guys
ah ok! dont know what youse heard, but growing up in Harlem is nothing to brag about, its where. im from and im not creative so thats my screen name. but you have nothing to add from my post? DiNunzio wasnt Boston's guy on that Casino deal? Didnt Ceaser Anguilo, Donato's son fromnt the money for it? Gerry's son the one who owns that towing company was away so Ceaser was handling what was left of the family(Anguilo) not Patriarca! Isnt that what happened?
it wasnt for my moms brothel, my mom started a crack house! you cant even get that stiry stright! so again your saying a deadbeat ran your city? or was he a front for Shanks? those old timers never forget a deadbeat is all im saying, but youse knkw better than me! 30K? you sure about that number? he just walked in and started extorting? they didnt use the money to"buy/ fund" the bingo parlor at the casino?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 09:54 PM
theres in town revere/east boston south shore that contols everything south from cape to fall river r.i borderline and the less known north shore that got the peabody danvers lowell burlignton even tewksbury glocester areas...google gave you to many lol or mass as a stae and forgot the hartford river split lol
Revere and East Boston moved? I missed that! There on the Sough Shore now! WOW I learn something new everyday! Tell me about the Hartford River Split! What is that? Was that called the Conneticut River for like a couple hundred years? They change the name of that too? Ive missed all of that?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:01 PM
if you are right seems like you was the d.a . the cheese left for chicago got pinched in vegas if it was thier casino to invest in they would be skimming the joint not tryin extort a floor manager.....jason anguilo son was away a year only that was in 86 dinunzio left in late 89 so get your facts right kid
Posted By: TonyBoy117
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:04 PM
I always thought it was like 4ish in Mass and 2-3 in Rhode Isalnd,It seems like thier crews sizes are smaller than NY standards and I have no idea about CT, anyone have any info on a Pateiarca Conn crew allegedly out of New Haven or any members ie Tony the Beaver Ascenzia who I think is thier youngest Connecticut guy at like 50 btw is it true Matty Gugliemetti was official capo of Ct?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:04 PM
yea cause harlem school systems sucks you stupid fuck look at you dumd as a rock your momma smoke
Posted By: SC
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:06 PM
Stop the shit talk Joerusso, or you be gone.
I can't think of the New Haven guys name, there was a guy here posting last week that seemed to know that area well. I think it's under that "search" tab New Haven.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:13 PM
idk he mightve he did have alot of say over there pretty matty be home soon to you know
I wouldn't know about the Harlem School system, went to Mt Carmel here but that's a Catholic School, then Philipps Academy in Andover Mass! Youse know where both Presidents Bush went, Bill Belichick(bad spelling) and quite a few others, YO!
Posted By: artichoke
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:16 PM
Let me get this right cheese guy pays a ransom to come home and get made is that correct. I then see in paper joe ruggeiro pays 250000 to get made to salemme is that true. I know this albert anastasia got killed for selling membership. Forgettabout it new england is doomed The old man died and took the thing with him...
Gugliementi was the guy from the Laborer's Union?
Russo is telling us these things so they must be correct! Doomed! Putting deadbeats in the big seat is a bad example. Bosses are honest thieves
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:20 PM
yea the union guy along with mannochio nephew and few others
Capital Concrete!
Russo what is the Hartford River split you were talking about? I'm here to learn teach me!
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:24 PM
no he didnt pay to get made he payed to come back safe and return into action then after being a great earner peacemaker along with history and other things he got made
Respect and FEAR are way ahead I'd smarts when it comes to making money in that game. People respected a deadbeat? The old timers gave him a pass? Then listened to him?
Joe I love banging a boston chick with there thick accent "Harder..Harder!"
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:33 PM
everything west of hartford is ny and east is patrairca up and down the river everystate it touches i think it was appalachian or right after the colombos wars but it was put in place never changed
Guglementi was a prov guy right ???
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:36 PM
Let me get this right cheese guy pays a ransom to come home and get made is that correct. I then see in paper joe ruggeiro pays 250000 to get made to salemme is that true. I know this albert anastasia got killed for selling membership. Forgettabout it new england is doomed The old man died and took the thing with him...
anastasia got killed for being 'trigger happy'.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:37 PM
boston ladies are slut fucking machines man they love to fuck
Russo he insults my wife an your mother.....when's enough enough I haven't gotten rude but I feel russo is looking to get a rise because he's in his own fantasy world
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:38 PM
matty is a rear bread his father taught him well yes from prov
What the F?
Come on Russo. The Harrford River split? What is it? Is that when you parted an imaginary river to lead youse guys to the Casino in Antartica you own?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:42 PM
im in my house in boston right in the west end you my friend is a young casanova in the fairy tales snap out of it
Isn't the West End the area that was torn down for the highway that goes thru Boston? Any other Boston people here to help me out? Russo you've been from ten different cities! Roxbury, north end, east Boston etc
Lol I now west is a neighborhood but he has been from east Boston north end roxbury now west end this kid is gone
West end is were the garden is pretty expensive russo lol
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:52 PM
you think im geographically sound dude smarten up mr perfect i dnt knw exact names
Will be Weston or Lexington next, all that money those connected guys make! Us poor people stuck in the Hood!
You don't know where you live?
Lol this kid just proved he's a fake lol...he disent now exactly...everyone in Boston nows there neighborhood lol...
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 10:58 PM
im from boston born in city hospital now bmc raised in north end and roxbury living in west end for years and west end is actually parts of beacon hill where mass gen is north end causeway inparticular and parts of the charles st area mostly behind the 7* liberty hotel
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 11:01 PM
north end roxbury west end is all boston just different areas so what is yous out of towners talking about
Ok I'm at santarpios having a pizza if I say I now You will I get a discount
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 11:06 PM
medford u stupid kid roxbury dorcheter mattapan eastie southie westie jamaica plain n different neighborhoods in boston so dickhead been different neighborhoods for decades where u been oh yea you from medford what do you know
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 11:07 PM
the one in malden next to doo wops
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 11:10 PM
or eastie which so we can meet please nice storm too kid would make my day we meet
Haha actually in the other santarpios is on route 1 in saugus an I'm in eastie
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/29/12 11:21 PM
be there in 15 min kid
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/29/12 11:22 PM
you going to get tough over some one o the web calling you out?fucking stupid in my opinion.if a guy dont believe you,then fuck it.but go ahead and fight it out if it floats your boat.
Better run Meffa! Youse gonna feel the Power of Russo! He will of coarse have to take the LONGEST route possible thru Charlotte to get there
Lol I'm really here that's the funny thing with my junkie wife hahah if any if u guys are ever in Boston I would recomend it...santarpios in east boston...unreal pizza an they do great lamb tips
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/30/12 12:14 AM
meffa,have you seen our friend yet..?it was fifty minutes ago he said hed be there in fifteen.lol.
Posted By: Mark
Re: boston - 12/30/12 12:28 AM
He had to stop and pick up Imamobguy.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/30/12 12:29 AM
He had to stop and pick up Imamobguy.
so thats where ima has been hiding out all this time..in boston? lol
Lol still here at the bar enjoy my lamb tips lol
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/30/12 12:31 AM
the taco bell crew ran him out of sunset park after they found out his grandfather wasnt a 'head racketeer' lucchese/neta.lol.
My guess jrusso is a child or someone with mental problems I sort of feel bad
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/30/12 12:32 AM
maybe he wears a kilt?
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 12/30/12 12:33 AM
the taco bell crew ran him out of sunset park after they found out his grandfather wasnt a 'head racketeer' lucchese/neta.lol.
wait so his grandpa wasnt really tommy lucchese's driver/right hand man, at apalachin, a longtime lucchese capo, and a secret member of the commission?
i dont believe it...lol
ima, i am still waiting for my signed copy of your new book, carmela is still waiting for her advance money for her starring role in your movie
It really seems like it my be a younger person because an adult wouldn't say see you in 15 min..or type words like Yous that's a sign of trying to pass yourself off as a street person lol but we all now nobody talks like that anymore except maybe ivy an sit lol nevermind type it...hahaha
Posted By: Mark
Re: boston - 12/30/12 12:39 AM
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/30/12 12:44 AM
I'm from spfld but Im fortunate enough to have had santarpio' s pizza many times fuckin delicioso!!
Niice...hey does Springfield have a large Italian pop
Yes, the South End of that city is packed with Paisans!
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/30/12 12:54 AM
yeah, but not like years ago. Like Boston's north end, Springfield's south end belonged to the Italian's. Still lined with Italian restaurants,barbershops and delis that are too deep-rooted to disappear,but sad to say it inevitably filled up with hispanics
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/30/12 12:57 AM
back in the day kids could play stickball in the street,nowadays it's welfare moms trying to get you to hit them with your car so they can collect....
At least you guys have made it this long, my neighborhood died in the 70's. We have a famous pizza place(that's owned by Russians) a barbs shop(1) and a restaurant you can't get into unless your a Jewish banker or a politician! It's GONE. Italians made up 95% of this areas population! Out of 650k residents! Now there is only 1130 last census. I can name about twenty of them! Most are locked in third house afraid to go outside! And those are the ones that don't know its ok to leave. They think you need a tetnis shot to leave!
Same around here I heard Springfield is a tough city...worcester to
I'm never out that way just curious
He had to stop and pick up Imamobguy.
I took down my facebook page that was a bunch of bolshit I use to make fun of him on there with him on there but within a week I was friends with Tony Blundetto to Frank Culotta some guy from Mobcandy and some exotic looking girls with DD's that I highly doubt even existed..
Posted By: Mark
Re: boston - 12/30/12 01:11 AM
He had to stop and pick up Imamobguy.
I took down my facebook page that was a bunch of bolshit I use to make fun of him on there with him on there but within a week I was friends with Tony Blundetto to Frank Culotta some guy from Mobcandy and some exotic looking girls with DD's that I highly doubt even existed..
You nuked your FB? Serious?
back in the day kids could play stickball in the street,nowadays it's welfare moms trying to get you to hit them with your car so they can collect....
That's everywhere not just in Boston what do you think that Gerber Life thing is they advertise on tv. A past associate of mind used to work for these Jewish guys on the mainline that gave him all the leads to sell Life Insurance to low-income families... predominantly African-american families considering that a lot of them in utban crime ridden areas don't live past age 16
He had to stop and pick up Imamobguy.
I took down my facebook page that was a bunch of bolshit I use to make fun of him on there with him on there but within a week I was friends with Tony Blundetto to Frank Culotta some guy from Mobcandy and some exotic looking girls with DD's that I highly doubt even existed..
You nuked your FB? Serious?
I made that account separately I didn't use my real account...I'm suprised Carmela did while outing him on there for the fraud he was ..I do miss his stories though
Didn't he have a line about threatening to make some guy drink soup through a straw? Lol I remember seeing that
Didn't he have a line about threatening to make some guy drink soup through a straw? Lol I remember seeing that
Yeah I've pasted it on here before if you click on the portrait of Chazz Palminteri you'll see jerkoff wrote I like your picture and hes goes on a rant about the guy owing him 2 points
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/30/12 01:38 AM
It really seems like it my be a younger person because an adult wouldn't say see you in 15 min..or type words like Yous that's a sign of trying to pass yourself off as a street person lol but we all now nobody talks like that anymore except maybe ivy an sit lol nevermind type it...hahaha
hey i only type yous or yas when im not paying attention.lol.
thats me old 'sitonmyface',keeping it classy.lol.
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 12/30/12 01:41 AM
sounds like my daughter.lol. i get a little too much wine in me and i let one loose.and she always goes 'way too keep it classy dad'.lol. thats my girl.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 12/30/12 03:26 AM
Springfield and Worcester always had deep rooted Italian pops but like many other places it has disappeared over the year, both have traditionally been Genovese strong holds though.
The Connecticut River has been the dividing line between NY and NE for years.
Yes, we just found out last week that Tony Ascenzia is a major player with the NE family out of New Haven.
From what I have read there are 6-7 crews/capo's in the NE family. But most are in jail today, who's really left with any power on the outside is anyone's best guess.
Matthew L. Guglielmetti is a younger capo, but I guess not to smart, it seems he has spent the better part of the last 20 years on the inside, maybe out for a couple of 2 year stints. If I recall he was convicted of protecting a cocaine shipment that was spending the night in RI on its way to parts unknown. It was some father and son combo that got put away for the Union issues, there name escapes me.
http://www.drug-rehabs.org/news/2674/Rhode%20Islandhttp://nlpc.org/stories/2008/12/01/rhode-island-organizer-contractor-charged-racketeeringI wish we could stick the the stuff we are here to read and share and not this back and forth BS.
BTW, harder in Boston is "haada"
If you read my posts above there was most of what you've posted in that article! Also it was referred to as the "Hartford River Split" which is why I asked. Thought a new river flowed in that area.
Posted By: carmela
Re: boston - 12/30/12 03:50 AM
He had to stop and pick up Imamobguy.
I took down my facebook page that was a bunch of bolshit I use to make fun of him on there with him on there but within a week I was friends with Tony Blundetto to Frank Culotta some guy from Mobcandy and some exotic looking girls with DD's that I highly doubt even existed..
You nuked your FB? Serious?
I made that account separately I didn't use my real account...I'm suprised Carmela did while outing him on there for the fraud he was ..I do miss his stories though
That's because I don't hide behind anything or anyone. I said what I wanted to say and I said it from my own profile. Seriously, I don't play games. If I want to say something, it's coming from me. Not some phoney profile.
That's because I don't hide behind anything or anyone. I said what I wanted to say and I said it from my own profile. Seriously, I don't play games. If I want to say something, it's coming from me. Not some phoney profile. [/quote]
lol To each there own.. There was like a million spammers on that site I'm actively seeking a 9-5 I don't want him writing shit on my wall that hes gonna smash my head for 2 points
Posted By: carmela
Re: boston - 12/30/12 03:58 AM
That's because I don't hide behind anything or anyone. I said what I wanted to say and I said it from my own profile. Seriously, I don't play games. If I want to say something, it's coming from me. Not some phoney profile.
lol To each there own.. There was like a million spammers on that site I'm actively seeking a 9-5 I don't want him writing shit on my wall that hes gonna smash my head for 2 points [/quote]
Well that's you. I don't play games. If that's the case, you should have kept your comments to yourself and not bothered. I was being serious with my comments to him. You're playing a fucking game.
That's because I don't hide behind anything or anyone. I said what I wanted to say and I said it from my own profile. Seriously, I don't play games. If I want to say something, it's coming from me. Not some phoney profile.
lol To each there own.. There was like a million spammers on that site I'm actively seeking a 9-5 I don't want him writing shit on my wall that hes gonna smash my head for 2 points
HOLLER!!
Well that's you. I don't play games. If that's the case, you should have kept your comments to yourself and not bothered. I was being serious with my comments to him. You're playing a fucking game. [/quote]
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/30/12 05:07 AM
hey goofs yea i didnt show end up doing few things with my daughter but another chance ill get laugh if it makes you feel good but you know laugh now ....
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/30/12 05:13 AM
you know if anyone knows what the hell happened with joe lombardo the one who killed bobo walsh and wallace lived for years even advisor to ray sr after retirement ...nobody knows about his family sons inparticular heard his son married bucculo daughter
you know if anyone knows what the hell happened with joe lombardo the one who killed bobo walsh and wallace lived for years even advisor to ray sr after retirement ...nobody knows about his family sons inparticular heard his son married bucculo daughter
Little Bobo had it coming that's common knowledge. As far as Bucculo they moved down south and opened a large car dealership and have a crew with little momo pookie joogo n coohoo in s. florida
Posted By: stern49
Re: boston - 12/30/12 05:30 AM
you guys were talking about a popcorn thread on that political one I started, but this is the popcorn thread. ha.. Russo has to be joking. there can't be a way somebody would write like he has and sound so serious. there's no way.
hey goofs yea i didnt show end up doing few things with my daughter but another chance ill get laugh if it makes you feel good but you know laugh now ....
Laugh Now because JOE RUSSO WILL HUNT YOU DOWN LIKE CUJO!!
Posted By: stern49
Re: boston - 12/30/12 08:35 AM
half the time i don't even know what he's saying... almost like another language... and his spelling...
im from boston born in city hospital now bmc raised in north end and roxbury living in west end for years and west end is actually parts of beacon hill where mass gen is north end causeway inparticular and parts of the charles st area mostly behind the 7* liberty hotel
You live behind a hotel like in an alleyway are their stray cats hissing at you when you walk down the street
Posted By: little33
Re: boston - 12/30/12 01:14 PM
meff, I think joerusso is a COP.
im thinking thats true! his old posts while commical did not contain the "youse" talk and all this new BS
Lol cop idk my opinion is its a young person or someone with obv issues..doubt he's a cop...lol
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/31/12 04:29 PM
so anyways...boston...
You know who gets zero airtime here! Gennaro Anguilo! Very successful for a long time up there!
in boston when u say OC everyone says anguilo....EVERYONE
was he just a bookie and shark? ive heard things but not Russo type info. you got any good scoop?
he was a big bookie an shark but he was the underboss,,patriarca trusted him enough to run boston and he did...he had everyone under his thunb an he was smart..his sons own one of the biggest towing companies in the greater boston area he put so much money away its not even funny...
as far as good scoop nothing really that anyone else dosent already no..but if your interested get his book it really good if your into boston OC
Jerry Loved to yell at people. Before he payed raymkond to make him he got smacked around by larry zannino. i think thats inm the uderboss book.
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 12/31/12 09:25 PM
reading Underboss now on your recomendation Meffa....very good so far
Please let me know if worth a read!
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 12/31/12 09:53 PM
Gerry Angiulo sat in the can for practically the last two decades of his life with his mouth shut. i heard he owned a huge house in Nahant
Harlem it's worth a read. Awersome book much better then that fat pig vinnies book.
Barnes and Noble? Where do you find it?
True crime section the one on route one def has it
Lol u don't live in Boston lol
hey meff, i've always been interested in irish OC, can you give me an idea of whats left of the winter hill gang? i would much rather get some info from you as opposed to people who claim to be " connected"
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/31/12 10:37 PM
A cop a fake yous fools make me laugh big time happy new year to all
A cop a fake yous fools make me laugh big time happy new year to all
Youse too
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 12/31/12 11:29 PM
To yous degenerats don't drink to much and get junked out , me ill be with family then finish the night with the fellas probably hit the lounge some loose broads champagne party right no what I mean
The winter hill gang is a thing of the past..there are some irishnan that do there thing but its mostly in southie an Charlestown...the winter hill section of somerville has changed drastically...
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 01/01/13 01:17 AM
its hipster or something now right meffa?
The yuppie section of somerville is in Davis square
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: boston - 01/01/13 03:24 AM
so is irish oc in boston just some gambling now?
Yeah an drugs but there's no structure just guys running around..nobody kicks nothing up because there's really no one to kick up to
Those soutgie boys don't leave d street I said it before they love there neighborhood
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 01/01/13 03:09 PM
Gerry Angiulo sat in the can for practically the last two decades of his life with his mouth shut. i heard he owned a huge house in Nahant
The book Underboss is a great read, it does a good job in a few hundred pages of outlining the career of Gerry.
As for his house in Nahant, a small mansion on the water but that is the least of his wealth. He owned many, many buildings along Huntington Ave and in the Back Bay, commercial space and apartment buildings. The FBI later found out that he had gotten a waver from the local bank so he could deposit more the $10k and not have to fill out the paper work. He had stated that many of renters paid there rent in cash and the paperwork was a pain in the ass and they agreed, lol...
He was cheap as %^$# and didn't gamble, do drugs or womanize, he was 1000% about business and putting up money.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/01/13 04:41 PM
They say jerry was a master at the numbers games and bookie.....when lombardo shut shit down and jerry got permission torun things kick up and take the heat he mastered the numbers and made fortune from it heard henry noyes and anselmo gave jerry a lil support
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/01/13 04:48 PM
They say jerry was a master at the numbers games and bookie.....when lombardo shut shit down and jerry got permission torun things kick up and take the heat he mastered the numbers and made fortune from it heard henry noyes and anselmo gave jerry a lil support when he started to make good earnings ....he was so rich in the safe in danny office there was 300 thou just for sports betting never mind other investments etc
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/02/13 12:45 AM
Is a mediatorfranky a poliyivain and betwenn the rest of them you can't have one without the. OtherWhat u can't read he was a master at the numbers and a master bookie and shark he had people paying 100 % on a vig winter hill owed him 250 thou and that's when howie winter went to the can for the horse fixing neva mind what whitey and rat flemmi added to that in his start up day before zannino was muscling on him he was lombardo runner learned a lot first hand and whn commitee was coming to boston bucculo shut shit down in the city, lombardo gave anguilo ok knowing he's going kick up and if he got piinched take the heat and that's when jerry made a killing ....being a north end guy he knew the in and outs but mastered the cash flow ....henry noyes old boston gangster and john aselmo and old school killer supported jerry to go to ray and get made seeing he was a great earner and his brother danny natural killer they say this about the anguilos brothers jerry is the businessman donato killer micheal
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/02/13 12:46 AM
Micheal franky the rest of them can't have one brother without the rest
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 01/02/13 12:55 AM
master shark my ass.if you let a guy get 'into' you for two hundred hifty thousand your a master fool.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/02/13 01:14 AM
Your right as history shows he believed them see howie was paying but was a degenerate gambler himself so debt always grew now with whitey he never liked just dealt with him because of steve and besidces steve and whitey was supposed to carry on tne debt so greedy green eye jerry continue dealing with tnem noy knowing that was his worst mistake and when debt got to big and tension boiled up between the two. Whitey and steve gave up the info and it was a matter of time jerry wasn't a problem no more
Posted By: gamms
Re: boston - 01/02/13 01:16 AM
bingo!
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/02/13 01:22 AM
Your right as history shows he believed them see howie was paying but was a degenerate gambler himself so debt always grew now with whitey he never liked just dealt with him because of steve and besidces steve and whitey was supposed to carry on tne debt so greedy green eye jerry continue dealing with tnem noy knowing that was his worst mistake and when debt got to big and tension boiled up between the two. Whitey and steve gave up the info and it was a matter of time jerry wasn't a problem no more
He might be or his spaceboard is soaked with alcohol
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 01/02/13 06:39 AM
jerry anguilo ran card/crap games for all the richest gamblers in boston for all the wealthy+jews. he ran all the porno thearts/combat district him and his family own boston. they had a ton of real estate. he got caught on a wire screaming at a gambino associte of robert d.b. for opening a porn theater in worcester with carlo masto. that was going up agianst some of anguilo's rackets. i think fat tony solved it.or ray sr. its in some fbi docket. his older brother nicolo was ray patriarc'a consig in the 60tys well jerry was only a capo i read.they had a bug in larry zannino's place where guys were palying poker for like 10k a hand in 1981 that was alot of money. just think in boston they didnt have to fight with 4 other families thous guys got paid. jerry had laid off alot of sports bets in newton mass with some of the biggest jew bookies in america, he was very respectfull of the jewish guys, ray patriarca to.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/02/13 02:18 PM
Exactly he ran a las vegas nights what you was referring to the game zannino ran big bucks on north margin tight street used to get firewoks there yyears ago funny thing its a dog place now named the dogfather sure some had to let him know tnhe history of the builing but he had doctors lawyers bank owners private investers politicians you name it they was betting big time he had doc sags and yerardi in his young days I believe , before russo and ferrara exrorted doc, and the porn thing I think was cleared up with it belonging to jerry but carlo gets a lil piece for protection since it was in his city ray gambino and genevose sat down it another I believe occured , but one player owed jerry like 70 thou or something with a vig of like 2% and the guy couldn't stop playing so before it was bustout see jerry would allow him to stop by thinking he was going play right but jerry would collect his vig umkowimgly to the man and allow him the man to lose all his money not loaning him nothing to add to the large bill but evantually jerry took over the man Resturaunts and cater businesses
Exactly he ran a las vegas nights what you was referring to the game zannino ran big bucks on north margin tight street used to get firewoks there yyears ago funny thing its a dog place now named the dogfather sure some had to let him know tnhe history of the builing but he had doctors lawyers bank owners private investers politicians you name it they was betting big time he had doc sags and yerardi in his young days I believe , before russo and ferrara exrorted doc, and the porn thing I think was cleared up with it belonging to jerry but carlo gets a lil piece for protection since it was in his city ray gambino and genevose sat down it another I believe occured , but one player owed jerry like 70 thou or something with a vig of like 2% and the guy couldn't stop playing so before it was bustout see jerry would allow him to stop by thinking he was going play right but jerry would collect his vig umkowimgly to the man and allow him the man to lose all his money not loaning him
nothing to add to the large bill but evantually jerry took over the man Resturaunts and cater businesses
Palidino borrowed money from both Carlo and Anguilo to get started, a few months in Carlo started an additional porn shop and Palidino cried to Jerry he coukdnt pay because Carlo was competing with him. Jerry didnt want to hear it, Jerry couldnt fight Carlo a Genovese guy so they told Palidino tough shit and took his shares over. If you read into this Jerry knew the guy was smart wanted him to set it up, do the grunt work to get it off the ground then take it ovee. They booked, numbers, etc out of tge place. Genovese guys called them "smoke shops" because they also sold cigars and at that time during the '80's porn was taboo. Imagine you seen going to buy some swag or place a bet and yoiur wife drives by you walking into a porn shop!
Exactly he ran a las vegas nights what you was referring to the game zannino ran big bucks on north margin tight street used to get firewoks there yyears ago funny thing its a dog place now named the dogfather sure some had to let him know tnhe history of the builing but he had doctors lawyers bank owners private investers politicians you name it they was betting big time he had doc sags and yerardi in his young days I believe , before russo and ferrara exrorted doc, and the porn thing I think was cleared up with it belonging to jerry but carlo gets a lil piece for protection since it was in his city ray gambino and genevose sat down it another I believe occured , but one player owed jerry like 70 thou or something with a vig of like 2% and the guy couldn't stop playing so before it was bustout see jerry would allow him to stop by thinking he was going play right but jerry would collect his vig umkowimgly to the man and allow him the man to lose all his money not loaning him nothing to add to the large bill but evantually jerry took over the man Resturaunts and cater businesses
Speaking of Ferrara , I sure do miss those chicken parm subs at Vanessa's
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 01/02/13 05:08 PM
Anybody heard of the late Fats Petronelli in Newton? I had heard that he was the mobs guy in Newton (The Lake section). Figure it was small beans compared to others. I think Joe Yerardi was living in Newton prior to his most recent incarceration.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 01/02/13 06:15 PM
Russo, everything your write is in Underboss, lol...
Here, you guys will like this about Joe Yerardi and some of his co-horts....
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/whit...lger_s_fall.htm
Exactly he ran a las vegas nights what you was referring to the game zannino ran big bucks on north margin tight street used to get firewoks there yyears ago funny thing its a dog place now named the dogfather sure some had to let him know tnhe history of the builing but he had doctors lawyers bank owners private investers politicians you name it they was betting big time he had doc sags and yerardi in his young days I believe , before russo and ferrara exrorted doc, and the porn thing I think was cleared up with it belonging to jerry but carlo gets a lil piece for protection since it was in his city ray gambino and genevose sat down it another I believe occured , but one player owed jerry like 70 thou or something with a vig of like 2% and the guy couldn't stop playing so before it was bustout see jerry would allow him to stop by thinking he was going play right but jerry would collect his vig umkowimgly to the man and allow him the man to lose all his money not loaning him
nothing to add to the large bill but evantually jerry took over the man Resturaunts and cater businesses
Palidino borrowed money from both Carlo and Anguilo to get started, a few months in Carlo started an additional porn shop and Palidino cried to Jerry he coukdnt pay because Carlo was competing with him. Jerry didnt want to hear it, Jerry couldnt fight Carlo a Genovese guy so they told Palidino tough shit and took his shares over. If you read into this Jerry knew the guy was smart wanted him to set it up, do the grunt work to get it off the ground then take it ovee. They booked, numbers, etc out of tge place. Genovese guys called them "smoke shops" because they also sold cigars and at that time during the '80's porn was taboo. Imagine you seen going to buy some swag or place a bet and yoiur wife drives by you walking into a porn shop!
Just remembered these two shops were in the city of Worcester! What a dump! You can buy two things in that city. Porn or Heroin!
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/03/13 06:08 AM
Azguy I never read the book so I wouldn't know buddy Its funny how yous guys read and google hey gangsteebb nothing wrong with reading books and google but my info dont come from google or and anguilo book hey my ears hear things sorry its similiar to your books or google
Azguy I never read the book so I wouldn't know buddy Its funny how yous guys read and google hey gangsteebb nothing wrong with reading books and google but my info dont come from google or and anguilo book hey my ears hear things sorry its similiar to your books or google
I guess your just getting in from being on the cold streets jiving with the wiseguys down at the coffee shop Joe " espresso" is that why typing is so whack ..you speedin kid
I guess your known on the street as "espresso Joe"
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/03/13 01:51 PM
Look at your name dicknoae that sums you righjt up kid
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/03/13 01:57 PM
Hey dixkface my bathroom probably bigger than your apt so talking living on the streets hey you think about it I'm a street guy from the streets of gangsters. And you u barnes and nobles and google membership you should join a book club
Lol russo you are hilarious...an yes everything that you say is literally word for word in underboss lol...about the las Vegas nights an all... Word for word lol
Lol russo you are hilarious...an yes everything that you say is literally word for word in underboss lol...about the las Vegas nights an all... Word for word lol
Meffa, this a new book? I feel like I'm missing out on something? Youse got the author name so I can look it up?
I forget the author name...an no its not new..not sure when it came out..
But you can get the book on amazon cheap
But you can get the book on amazon cheap
Ok, thank youse. I'm going to look for it! That Anguilo guy always interested me for some reason! Maybe it's the fact he was big into bookmaking.
He shoulda been the boss not ray Jr even though he was goin to jail it shoulda been him...
He shoulda been the boss not ray Jr even though he was goin to jail it shoulda been him...
That guy Ilaro Zannino was a heavy hitter wasn't he?
Yeah from what I gather he was heavy but he must of disliked Anguilo to a degree because he through his support behind ray Jr an not Anguilo at the end
I beleive zannino was top capo in Boston under Anguilo if you read the book he almost gives all his orders through him or his brothers
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 01/03/13 06:04 PM
The Under Boss was written by Gerard O'Neil and Dick Lehr, I think they were Globe or Herald reporters. The best part about the book is the chapters on getting the bug in place. It'll mean more if you have walked the streets of the North End and can see how tight everything is. Those streets were not really made for cars.
Zannino was old school and would never had gone against Sr's wished that Jr' take over. I think his relationship with Anguilo was solid as they made much money together. Gerry was the brains and Larry the muscle.
Agreed...zannino has a lot of soldiers reporting to him..those chapters were so interesting how they bugged the dog house..
Agreed...zannino has a lot of soldiers reporting to him..those chapters were so interesting how they bugged the dog house..
Didn't that convict Connelly drop those bugs? Sneaky sneaky.
Posted By: Skinny
Re: boston - 01/03/13 07:57 PM
Maybe this has already been asked but Im too lazy to look thru 27 pages of posts... Whos r some of the biggest guys in boston? When it comes to jersey, i know my shit, NY, a little less. I know a little about philly (mostly the North Jersey guys tho)... But I dont no shit about boston... Thanks.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 01/03/13 08:37 PM
Agreed...zannino has a lot of soldiers reporting to him..those chapters were so interesting how they bugged the dog house..
Didn't that convict Connelly drop those bugs? Sneaky sneaky.
No, you should read the book, it's great. The FBI put a team together and they made repeated attempts in the middle of the night, with the help of a locksmith, to gain entry and put the bugs in place. They had to contend with look outs, residents, delivery trucks, etc. They picked a freezing cold night when street traffic would be low and finally got in after 2 failed attempts.
The first time they almost %^$# their pants as when they got to the door they heard voices. It turns out a radio and TV were left on 24/7, lol...
Connolly was on the team that listened to tapes, etc and they got the floor plan from Stephen "the riffleman" flemmi, Whitey's sidekick...
Ordering a copy. Same authors as Black Mass it says? Another book I have been wanting to read
Posted By: Skinny
Re: boston - 01/03/13 08:42 PM
Thats hilarious! I read parts of Rita Gigantes Book about Chins house in the village. He was afraid to leave bc he was scared agents would break in when he wasnt there! He had bars over the windows, which were painted black lol. Talk about paranoid.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 01/03/13 08:42 PM
yes, black mass is great...UB is better, one of the best mob reads you can get..
Skinny the heavy guys on the street right now are peter limone,,spucky spagnolo,,,vinny ferrara,,jimmy martarano,,those are the higher Ups to me..an hell frankie Anguilo is still alive an on the street lol
Posted By: Skinny
Re: boston - 01/04/13 12:36 AM
Thanks meffa. These all boston skippers? Anybody left in Providence? Thanks bro.
Yes..besides limone..the feds have I think 4 made guys listed in prov not much left ...your welcome
Yes..besides limone..the feds have I think 4 made guys listed in prov not much left ...your welcome
Meffa! Your forgetting Russo and the "coffee shop boys"! Thier the Patriarca family hit squad! Youse know that! Youse forgot! G
Lol....well I didn't list carozza an biagio diagicomo because I think there retired
Or just under the feds radar
Another thing about carozza he might be shelved from the fam because after the war he was in on...just a thought
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/04/13 05:41 AM
First everyone knew about vegas nights and its clientle nothing new or something kept a secret second carrozza is not shelved his crowd never dealt with rossetti crowd an eastie guy and other factions he was never really liked from beginning in anguilo days and the war was against salemme was carried over from late 80s to 96 97and salemme turned rat so can't b that bad and why ferrara not shelved he was part of renegade faction ....biago is semi big time but the main players the adm add quintina to that list
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/04/13 05:51 AM
And philips exteter preppy russo was hit squad for ray sr if you didn't. Know he was sent to tne colombos wars with nicky bianco mad dog nazarian pop werner bobo and more real killers came back and was doing hits to help settle the boston gang wars back then , clips barboza ,mediator between howie bulger etc, clips the underboss shoots salemme, goes to gotti gets ok to force change admn thrats to wack ray jr boss stepped down lol, start a war ...joe russo was one of the best at what he does
^^^ What are you trying to say here man
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 01/04/13 07:26 AM
please stop this bullshit on this boston page, who cares what you read, what you heard, or if your related to somebody in the mix. your here just to post yours thoughts or knowledge on the issue. stop calling people out cause its stupid. as a masshole we no limone runs the show the genovese in worcester and springfield are finished or very low right now, like not shaking down every stripclub passed the river. but who knows who the acting bosses are in boston and prov. providence got aleast 12 guys on the strret its my guess they have about 200k italian people, in a million man state.
please stop this bullshit on this boston page, who cares what you read, what you heard, or if your related to somebody in the mix. your here just to post yours thoughts or knowledge on the issue. stop calling people out cause its stupid. as a masshole we no limone runs the show the genovese in worcester and springfield are finished or very low right now, like not shaking down every stripclub passed the river. but who knows who the acting bosses are in boston and prov. providence got aleast 12 guys on the strret its my guess they have about 200k italian people, in a million man state.
What is thatyour hometeam
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 01/04/13 01:08 PM
Reminds me of the portrayal of Providence guys in the Sopranos when they were planning to use Prov for the hit on Johnny Sack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMYQ46-ND6Ytoo funny.
12 is way to high the feds have made guys on the street at 4 to 6 there could be some under thee radar but i don't think so
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 01/04/13 02:12 PM
12 is way to high the feds have made guys on the street at 4 to 6 there could be some under thee radar but i don't think so
I don't think 12 is high, there's always been a lot of guys down there and many of them never make the news...
Posted By: Skinny
Re: boston - 01/04/13 03:12 PM
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: boston - 01/04/13 03:29 PM
12 is way to high the feds have made guys on the street at 4 to 6 there could be some under thee radar but i don't think so
I don't think 12 is high, there's always been a lot of guys down there and many of them never make the news...
There are 13 known LCN members left in Providence. But 7 of them are in prison and a few others are inactive. But that's not counting whatever associates are left.
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 01/04/13 03:33 PM
Head over to Fed Hill and take a stroll down Atwells Ave on a sunny afternoon - You will see that there is plenty of action.
Ivy summed it up perfect 13 with seven in jail...an I said 4 or so on the street so that's pretty accurate..an ray Jr is on the street but I don't no his involvemet...so yes I was right..an I said in a earlier post there might be a few under the radar..an I was talking the guys on the street
In fact, there are only eight "made" members of La Cosa Nostra residing in Rhode Island, according to law enforcement sources.
The "made" guys on the street are Joseph Ruggiero, who's never been arrested, Raymond "Junior" Patriarca, the son of the late boss Raymond L.S. Patriarca, Rudolf "Rudy" Sciarra, in his 80s and in poor health, Pasquale Galea, Vito DeLuca , William "Blackjack" Delsanto, Joseph Achille and Robert "Bobby" Deluca.
Among the remaining mafia crew, only one or two are thought to be actively engaged in making money the old Mafia way; stealing it.
Just thought that might make a point to show how there is almost nobody left down there..
please stop this bullshit on this boston page, who cares what you read, what you heard, or if your related to somebody in the mix. your here just to post yours thoughts or knowledge on the issue. stop calling people out cause its stupid. as a masshole we no limone runs the show the genovese in worcester and springfield are finished or very low right now, like not shaking down every stripclub passed the river. but who knows who the acting bosses are in boston and prov. providence got aleast 12 guys on the strret its my guess they have about 200k italian people, in a million man state.
PMAC, how do you "no" or know all of the above if you havent heard? You saying by living in certain area's you come across certain information?
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: boston - 01/05/13 02:07 AM
In fact, there are only eight "made" members of La Cosa Nostra residing in Rhode Island, according to law enforcement sources.
The "made" guys on the street are Joseph Ruggiero, who's never been arrested, Raymond "Junior" Patriarca, the son of the late boss Raymond L.S. Patriarca, Rudolf "Rudy" Sciarra, in his 80s and in poor health, Pasquale Galea, Vito DeLuca , William "Blackjack" Delsanto, Joseph Achille and Robert "Bobby" Deluca.
Among the remaining mafia crew, only one or two are thought to be actively engaged in making money the old Mafia way; stealing it.
Those names were listed in an article from a year or two ago. They were missing a few if you include everyone regardless of where they currently reside, i.e in prison or whatever.
Rocco Folco, Matthew Guglielmetti, Edward Lato, Luigi Manocchio, Frank Marrapese, Alfred Scivola, and Anthony St. Laurent are in prison.
That leaves Joseph Achille, William Delsanto, Vito DeLuca, Pasquale Galea, Raymond Patriarca Jr., and Joseph Ruggiero. But not all of them are active.
That's basicatlly what the article says..I just can't belive its that low when I started to follow the mob I learned fast that NE powerbase was in prov so I assumed they had the numbers but that's not the case..
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 01/05/13 04:30 AM
All of these guys mentioned are the well-known made guys, we'd be foolish to think there are not others out there that have just not run into the law yet.
I think 4 or 5 in all of Providence is way to low. Trust me...
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: boston - 01/05/13 05:44 AM
That's basicatlly what the article says..I just can't belive its that low when I started to follow the mob I learned fast that NE powerbase was in prov so I assumed they had the numbers but that's not the case..
Despite the low number of made members in Providence, there's been no shortage of mob activity there over the past decade or so as there have been several busts since 2000. A lot of associates involved. In recent years there have been mob cases in Providence involving 10, 20, or even 30 people.
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: boston - 01/05/13 06:02 AM
What city has more power for the Patriarcas? Providence or Boston?
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: boston - 01/05/13 06:26 AM
What city has more power for the Patriarcas? Providence or Boston?
At this point, I'd say Boston. It's where the leadership is now, as well as most of the membership.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/05/13 01:06 PM
I agreee with ivy boston is the power base now and pmac and ivy said I believe there's a bunch of them always did that whole r.I there's a million of bobo marrappese and rudolph sciarra's over there . Example when old man ray was in charge thousands of made hitman but you swear it was a certain. few wiseguys over there as we do now and luigi was no fool yea he had a nice little stint made a lot of guys besides big cheese anglesco prochillio or whoever else been straighten out last decade . And since old man ray prov always had a tight ship to small a lot people but everyone knows who is who so I say among all those made men 15 or so 8 of their protege been made like a ritchie bonagflia and that kid got caught with deluca in car salesman extort last name start with a f, that kid so who else been made ...a lot of old timers passed last ten years so u know the books open....4 could've got made on christmas for all we know lol
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/05/13 01:13 PM
And if you walk down atwells I tell you this damn you see a lot. Of activity between the brothels spas and strip clubs a lot cash flow close never mind what else they got going and close by you see foot runners all day long ....I think there's a crew of albanians that run a lil store or resturaunt with a red store sign out front a little up from pino vino another nice resturaunt next door to celline and rays sr nephew john patriaca law office, a lot shit there I know for a fact I know wiseguys when I see em too and u know the admin getting a nice little % for whatever going on of that
I actually agree lol there could be more made guys just under the radar an that's what I said earlier...Boston def has the upperhand now no doubt about it...an they mention a guy named Joseph ruggerio he's never been arrested there could be another 5 just like him so I got what your saying...so I agree
There were a lot of accosiates taking down in the latest strip club case.. so if they do there time come out maybe they'll be made...an onward goes this thing of there's
Russo since I can't beat u I might as well join you lol....who are the two staties names that always bust the nun dudes I think there names are Orlando an nunzio or something do u no any background on these two thanks...lol
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/05/13 02:49 PM
Yea know exactly who cocky guy.diesel jes a fuckin quare he rides through the north end often and waves llike he's a frfiend even heard bevfore anthony got picked he went and told anthony he y don't get ahead of yourslef even though anthony got a fed charge the statie knew something ...
Speaking of your town Meffa I just bought "Most Wanted" Thomas Foley the Mass State Cop wrote it about his career and his Bulger chase. I'm not a big fan of any of these books, however I figured I'd give this one a go.
Oh cool never read it let me no dude seriously I'm a big reader lol
Black mass an underboss are my two fav books on Boston OC I have read citizen somerville it wasn't that good
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/05/13 02:59 PM
Tom foley another statie prick that's. A cocksucker he wanted in town he was just tired of bulger and connollys riegn and wanted the shine fuckin staties hate the feds lol he was tired he was gettiing not of piece of nothing
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/05/13 03:03 PM
Read few books but aboout boston read the last rite about the last mob wars involiving gigi marino sean cote paul struzzella john souza romano in eastie basically the renegade faction war but that's a good book and hitman I read by martorano and I tell u this everystory u hear had a diffeent version lol
Tom foley another statie prick that's. A cocksucker he wanted in town he was just tired of bulger and connollys riegn and wanted the shine fuckin staties hate the feds lol he was tired he was gettiing not of piece of nothing
Ok? I haven't read enough yet. I know all these "biographies" are skewed and self serving. So I will keep an open mind.
Russo what's the book called about the renegade faction ???
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 01/05/13 03:48 PM
meff u ever hear of Mark Silverstein
Mark silverstein why does that sound familiar but I can't put my finger on it...
I'm not gunman Google it just tell me lol
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/05/13 05:22 PM
The book is called the last rites :boston mob war...
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 01/05/13 07:13 PM
hes from Medford i believe. rat, wrote a book. called Rogue Mobster.
Posted By: SC
Re: boston - 01/06/13 04:54 PM
To Joerusso - Please read your Private Message and respond.
Being a homebody aside, just finished Underboss. What an interesting city! Great history! The people are charectors! Anguilo was a trip! Its makes it sound if he didnt have his brother's he would have been shining shoes? Is this the case?
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 01/06/13 05:26 PM
.....It makes it sound if he didn't have his brother's he would have been shining shoes? Is this the case?
More like the other way around, Jerry was a genius with numbers, that was his claim to fame. Any bookie in the country could lay off bets with him and his organization. He had the bankroll to do it. He was cheap as a ^&%$# and didn't drink, womanize or gamble...
.....It makes it sound if he didn't have his brother's he would have been shining shoes? Is this the case?
More like the other way around, Jerry was a genius with numbers, that was his claim to fame. Any bookie in the country could lay off bets with him and his organization. He had the bankroll to do it. He was cheap as a ^&%$# and didn't drink, womanize or gamble...
Didnt the book(Underboss) the feeling that the author didnt like Gerry? Made it sound like Frank was the brain and Danny was the muscle, thats why I try to stay away from skewed books, articles etc
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 01/06/13 07:51 PM
As Gerry would always say "I don't need tough guys, I need smart tough guys".
You are not wrong though, Danny did "work" for the family and worked out of Cafe Pompeii for years. Frank was just the day time bookkeeper, lol...
As Gerry would always say "I don't need tough guys, I need smart tough guys".
You are not wrong though, Danny did "work" for the family and worked out of Cafe Pompeii for years. Frank was just the day time bookkeeper, lol...
The best line from the wiretaps! "YOU SPEAK AMERICAN?"
As Gerry would always say "I don't need tough guys, I need smart tough guys".
You are not wrong though, Danny did "work" for the family and worked out of Cafe Pompeii for years. Frank was just the day time bookkeeper, lol...
The best line from the wiretaps! "YOU SPEAK AMERICAN?"
Here's a short story on Boston Mob Wars by Allan May
http://allanrmay.com/Mob_War_in_Beantown.html
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/10/13 12:00 AM
Hey I wonder with all these changes if any of the old renegade faction like rida or ralph scarpa gets made I know the scarpa family is from oreint hieghts and his family run deep and years of connected people pure killers and gangsters wonder if anthony caimpi is making moves ??.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/10/13 12:03 AM
And yea meffa the book is called last rites action packed good book u ask me
Anthony ciampi an Michael romano are still locked up an never heard of no scarpa in Boston
Well I belive there locked up an if they get out they will probably get made
They were the only ones who didn't corporate with the feds...from all the young guys...
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 01/10/13 12:27 AM
What do Boston locals think of Mark Wahlberg?
I was watching an interview with him last night and you can see that he really thinks he's an Irish gangster from Southie
.
All kidding aside, he's become a very good actor. But he pissed me off last year with those 9/11 comments. You know, about how one of the planes wouldn't have gone down if he was on the flight
.
Not to get off topic but I've heard Whalberg's actually very humble and a good father and husband. But I don't blame you for getting pissed PB I've heard the stories, including the one where people were digging up fingernails from the rubble.
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 01/10/13 01:16 AM
Not to get off topic but I've heard Whalberg's actually very humble and a good father and husband. But I don't blame you for getting pissed PB I've heard the stories, including the one where people were digging up fingernails from the rubble.
I can see that. He looks like a decent guy. And I really enjoy his films. The 9/11 comments pissed me off when he made them. But they're not something that I'll continually remind myself of.
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: boston - 01/10/13 01:32 AM
Besides producing Boardwalk Empire, I read that Wahlberg also has a reality show about the Teamsters in pre-production.
Not to get off topic but I've heard Whalberg's actually very humble and a good father and husband. But I don't blame you for getting pissed PB I've heard the stories, including the one where people were digging up fingernails from the rubble.
I can see that. He looks like a decent guy. And I really enjoy his films. The 9/11 comments pissed me off when he made them. But they're not something that I'll continually remind myself of.
What did he say about 911?
rida, scarpa, or any of them have never been made, rida is mike romano's cousin from worcester, and he got involved with that case because he ran a bookmaking operation out in worcester and was having problems with people out there and he also helped in the takeover attempt after romano's son was killed!
mike romano is still in prison in a low security federal prison in Butner NC, his release date is 3/27/2016 anthony ciampi has been in a halfway house since july and his actual release date is tomorrow 1/10/2013 he has been runng a thrift store in East Boston called Hidden Treasures which is in the day square section of East Boston, neither one of those guys are made either, although ciampi became very very close to Bobby Russo Carrozza while they were in federal holding down in the Wyatt Detention facility in RI, rumor on the street was that ciampi's mother had been dating carrozza the past 3 years or so
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/10/13 02:29 AM
a bunch of them didn't tell the diaz kid scarpa ciampi gigi marino patti n.couple more did their times mouth shut but nazzaro ralph scarpa come from a family of gangster from eastie orient hieghts bad motherucker whole family respected amongst the biggestg gangsters going way back
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/10/13 02:37 AM
Very good stuff eastside nicky how about sean cote he was involved in a lot tell me a little about him I know he died of an overdose don't know what info he gave at trial I know he piece things together for the feds and that he was involved and played key roles tell me about him if u know easide nicky
nazzaro ralph scarpa is in MCI Concord finishing up a 5-7 year sentence for selling coke (again) to an undercover state trooper back in Aug of 09, gettin out in a couple, guys been in and out his whole entire life just like alot of those guys in that case, Life on the installment plan they call it, ralph would never get made cause he was too much of a knuckle head, real tough guy at only 5'7" balls as big as the come but dumber than a bag of rocks. Scarpa and his partner john patti were drug dealers for years and years, scarpa once had a limo company called snow white limosine, like i said dumb as a bag of rocks!!!
sean cote was a sick kid! Burned his parents house down when he was little in the oak Island section of Revere, he was about 10 or so, ever since then he turned real bad, started stealing cars then got involved with a bunch of stick up artists robbing banks by cutting holes in the roof of the banks disarming the alarms and then lying in wait for the bank mngr to hold up the bank and get right into the safe they called them the hole in the roof gang for awhile, they robbed jewelry store as well as banks like that, then he ended up meeting patti and scarpa in the can and after they all were out in 93 and 94, they all hooked up selling drugs and doing scores and cote was also freinds with romano's kid mike jr who got killed by mistake, and he joined the romano carrozza faction to avenge mike jr.s death. was one of the best car theives ever and a good wheel man but in spite of everything written about him he was no killer
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: boston - 01/10/13 02:57 AM
Not to get off topic but I've heard Whalberg's actually very humble and a good father and husband. But I don't blame you for getting pissed PB I've heard the stories, including the one where people were digging up fingernails from the rubble.
I can see that. He looks like a decent guy. And I really enjoy his films. The 9/11 comments pissed me off when he made them. But they're not something that I'll continually remind myself of.
What did he say about 911?
He said if he was on the plane (which he was supposed to be) that crashed into the train towers, things would have turned out differently.
Ciampi is out wow he did a tin of time...never heard a a few of those guys..nicky u from eastie
As Gerry would always say "I don't need tough guys, I need smart tough guys".
You are not wrong though, Danny did "work" for the family and worked out of Cafe Pompeii for years. Frank was just the day time bookkeeper, lol...
The best line from the wiretaps! "YOU SPEAK AMERICAN?"
That was hysterical! And I agree with you - the author didn't seem to like Gerry at all...
Posted By: Camarel
Re: boston - 01/10/13 01:39 PM
Not to get off topic but I've heard Whalberg's actually very humble and a good father and husband. But I don't blame you for getting pissed PB I've heard the stories, including the one where people were digging up fingernails from the rubble.
I can see that. He looks like a decent guy. And I really enjoy his films. The 9/11 comments pissed me off when he made them. But they're not something that I'll continually remind myself of.
What did he say about 911?
He said if he was on the plane (which he was supposed to be) that crashed into the train towers, things would have turned out differently.
Seth Mcfarlene who made Family guy and voices Peter,Stewie,Brian,Ted,Etc was supposed to be on one of the planes.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 01/10/13 03:32 PM
sean cote was a sick kid! Burned his parents house down when he was little in the oak Island section of Revere, he was about 10 or so, ever since then he turned real bad, started stealing cars then got involved with a bunch of stick up artists robbing banks by cutting holes in the roof of the banks disarming the alarms and then lying in wait for the bank mngr to hold up the bank and get right into the safe they called them the hole in the roof gang for awhile, they robbed jewelry store as well as banks like that, then he ended up meeting patti and scarpa in the can and after they all were out in 93 and 94, they all hooked up selling drugs and doing scores and cote was also freinds with romano's kid mike jr who got killed by mistake, and he joined the romano carrozza faction to avenge mike jr.s death. was one of the best car theives ever and a good wheel man but in spite of everything written about him he was no killer
What was the story with the Romano kid's murder? His father ended up shooting a guy to death in East Boston in broad daylight because of it (Joe Souza? I knew a girl who was dating him at the time and actually had to testify at some of the trials back then). Was that the guy who killed his son? I also heard that the scumbag who murdered the trooper Charbonnier was involved as well. And was Ponzo involved, he left the car with the flat for the kid to change, how convenient.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 01/10/13 03:36 PM
It's been quiet on Ponzo since his arrest, anyone know what's up with him. I'm pretty sure he'll take a plea rather than a trial, thoughts...?
yes i am, grew up with alot of those guys, im married now and moved out of the area a long time ago
romano's sons murder was a mistake, it was meant for ponzo, mikey's son mike jr was hanging around with ponzo and ponzo was going to put the shake on the guy that owned the stadium cafe in everett, and that guy was already paying protection to the rossetti/salemme side, so on that particular day ponzo was going to pick up some dough, and the guy had already tipped of the rossetti's that ponzo was coming. and ponzo happened to have mikey jr with him as well as obby (the blur) Paleo and they were at the chinease resteraunt eating before going to see the guy at the stadium cafe and when they came out ponzo's black lincoln had a flat tire, he asked mikey jr to change it and ponzo and blur walked up to the stadium cafe a short distance away, to supposedly use the phone, and as mikey jr was changing the tire a yellow van pulled up real close and almost hit him, and as mike got up from the crouched position from changing the tire joseph souza pressed a 9 mill gun to his cheek and blew him away beleiving it was ponzo, shortly after that a whole shooting match began, for months, alot of people shot and killed or wounded or just missed it seemed like every couple weeks somone was getting shot and killed!
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 01/10/13 06:07 PM
I remember being in the Stadium Cafe, what a dump..
Is there any books out on that war? More violent then the last Colombo war y'all think? Alot guys killed and wounded.or anything out on the big irish gang war. Dam near everything has to do with bulger that I can find
ponzo is at the Wyatt federal detention ctr in RI. in quite a bit of trouble, the woman he married while on the lam is the one that ratted him out and told everything, they not only got him for the case he was on the run for, but he also has a slew of new charges as well, the find a shitload of firearms as well as tons of fake identitys that he used to fraudulently open credit card accts he in deep shit, he'll probaly look to make a deal if he has anything to give them!
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/11/13 06:05 AM
Yes good stuff nicky I actually think its the most interesting time ...no actual made guys involved but deeply connected seems the only ones to get made. Was salleme guys darin duffalino prochillo rossetti etc none of the renegade faction was made and they all was connected to bobby russo , I know most of them got jailed but why only salemme guys gots made .....and what is the deal with bobby russo since he been out?....any info on joseph j.r. russo THAT would be great
bufalino, prochilo, mark & stephen rossetti, luisi, ralph rossetti, were all part of salleme's crew, a bunch of others too, at that time only mark & stephen were made, this is back in 93 and 94, all the others named as being part of the salleme crew were all associates at the time in recent years prochilo, and even his son mike prochilo jr have been straightened out as well as bufalino, as far as the renegade crew, the Carrozza faction, none were made only associates, but several were going to be proposed for induction at some point but that never happened cause they all got indicted and sentenced to various terms of imprisonment, Bobby Carrozza has been laying low hanging out with Ciampi's mother frequenting a social club In East Boston, have heard he has not been in good health as of late, his Half brother Joseph (JR) Russo was a gangster in every sense of the word and Jr Soprano on the tv show the soprano's was modeled after him, one of the writers frank renzulli was from Maverick projects in East Boston and as a kid went around Russo's social club that was right across from the maverick square T station. Alot of the early episodes of the soprano's they use alot of stuff that was right out of that social club like the executive card game and what not, alot of little things, that if you knew these people how they operated how they talked you know the lingo, you would pick right up on it
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/11/13 09:02 PM
Yea I heard that from a great source but when I looked up the writer and seen he wasn't from eastie I knew somethiing was up cause old man junior talked and sure dressed like j.r russo but now it makes all the sense in the world
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/11/13 09:10 PM
They say my grandpa was great friends with him but my grandpa hates my asking and this "fascination crap" he calls it says we helpin the feds instead stickin to our culture lmaol love my grandpa but old prick won't say a a fart lol he yellss at me but heard the socail club was next to the cab stand and only the gangsters gangsters went there ...also heard j.r. was real tight with ralphy rossetti early on what's the story on that and did these guys renegade faction even hang with or assocaited themselve with eachother before the war sseems pretty much everyone was from eastie but salemme sure the hell wasn't wats up with that???
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/11/13 09:14 PM
Oh yea few older people passed related to made guys so expect faces at fumerals parlors in eastie chelsea and everett my condolences out to the families lombardo capone and caimpa to name some but if u live in those neighborhoods expect a few faces huh
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/11/13 09:26 PM
Another thing nicky that romano in eastie heard he grew up withthe russos and was in tight with them why he never was made I mean he was up there in age I supppose but then again russo always had power its when he was on the takeover and putting ray jr down so it could've been after the war the marino's romano's pattis scarpa would've got made even paul struzzella who I heard was quite a gunslinger himself ...
russo u claimed to be maried with kids how old is ur grandfather for christ sake
dude anguilo hated carozza thats a know fact his step brother joe russo killed barboza an zannino was caught on wiretap saying he was a genius killer an great with a gun that said...carozza was not well liked anguilo was on wiretap saying if he steps foot outta east boston shot him on sight that said...anguilo wasnt given an order he was just shooting off at the mouth liked they all did..thats why carozza was part of the so called renogade faction.. that was even after anguilo but you get my point...
carozza was not well liked...he from what i understand was a king in eastie but else were not so much...why do you think him an the other two rebelled
frankie renzulli was a writer for the 1st couple seasons of the sopranos
ralphy rossetti was a made man, and he was tight with all of them, at one point in the late 70's early 80's he was shot, I had heard the story years ago and why it happened but it's been so long i do not remember why he was shot, as far as him being tight with JR i have no personal knowledge of that. And it is true that Bobby Carrozza was not liked by Gennaro Angiulo, as to why I do not know, Bobby was always known to be a real snake in the grass and was not well liked by alot of the fella's that were made like himself, Romano was a Carrozza stalwart, that's who he was close with and he had the same exact sneakyness and dangerousness as carrozza, another word's he was a real serious guy, but even if you were tight with him and grew up with him or whatever, if you were a threat to him in anyway he would kill you, guy's in his own crew did not trust him and he actually started rubbing off on anthony ciampi like that. Anthony was never ever like that, but after he got shaken down for his card game and was spooked he aligned himself with a buch of loose cannon drug dealers, gigi marino, john patti, ralph scarpa, shawn cote, paul decologero and Romano, and with Carrozza's blessing they took on the Salleme faction and all the Rossetti's and did what they had to do
and paulm strazzulla was a gunslinger, a real nut with something to prove, but a junkie, and the crew, Romano's crew beleived him to be talking to the feds, (which he wasn't) ordered him killed and he was. Kid died for nothing, wasn't a rat, but mike romano beleived he was and said he had to go, and he went!!!
shawn cote brought strazzulla around, and shawn cote drove him to his death, they were close like brothers.
Carrozza and the others, Vinnie ferrara JR Russo matty gugliametti, felt that Raymond jr Patriarca was a weak boss, and was just a figurehead at that time, with East Boston basically calling the shots at the time so they said fuck it, lets take over this whole thing, and thats what started the whole war, Salleme was making all guys he did time with after he got out and jumped into the big seat, and he wasn't liked by all the guys that had been on the street while he was in prison doing all that time for bombing the lawyer that represented barboza
good job easisenicky....i thought mark rossetti was the only one made an his dad can u give me so info on the rossetti bros.... an did u see the funerl vids with all the guys an rosetti outside...there were hells angeles filmed goininto his mom funeral
thats a great vid it just goes to show ya that its still around.....or was till they all got arrested
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/11/13 11:28 PM
exactly nicky i believe after that indictments that was the weakesp point in my opinion ... salemme took over cause no one was around i mean u had the revere guys quintina rizzo and a few guys from prov that was out but no one ideal for.the position martorano was better suited than salemme but he stepped up and caused a big war and thats abother question where was the capos in all this whT was they ....see rossetti was a junkie years ago and was always in the right crowd hiz father salemme etc wonder how he didnt join russo crew since ralph was tight with russo
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/11/13 11:35 PM
And meffa my grandpa 93 sharp as a arrow and the most negative man unless its kids or something of that nature or another old fart like lamattina for an example who he loves and deals with lmaol my pops is 67 lol got a few great uncles left too i tell u if they knew i was on this lmaol im in tears laughing i def would be kicked out the family except for my ma lol lmaol meff u just made me crack up
Lol 93 these old Italians live forever my great grandma died at 99....anyway eat info do u have on the rossetti bros
ralph rossetti was marks father he died in 98, mark and stephen were cousins, stephen was the more dangerous of the 2 he is serving 51 years 10 months for the attempted robbery of the loomis armored car facility, mark was dangerous but a junkie, stephen used to get high back in the 80's but straightened out and was all bizz, diciplined like a soldier, mark kept up using heroin and what not and was not as diciplined, still very capable though
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 01:38 AM
Hey for little old boston our threads the strongest on here and we are just getting started lmaol anybody got any info on spucky another eastie revere dangerous as hell heard good of him too where is he in all this he was biago man so he had to play some part lmaol oh yea he was locked up that time but what's up with him now
spucky is still around, he hangs out of the ITAM in revere on Lucia st. He's older now but still active, Biaggio moved out of eastie and opened a resteraunt with his sons in waltham, real nice place.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 02:07 AM
What about the quintina the nephew I know he's still around what is he up too
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 02:10 AM
Fred chiampa he still alive right ? Heard he proposed few revere guys like sonny boy did anthony rizzo
Spags def is still active word on the street was when floramo passed he took over a lot of action...his son is supposedly in the revere faction under his dad..
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 02:34 AM
yea speaking of floramo I knowone of his sons run a poker and bingo game somewhere on route 16 in everett by the staduim making tons
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 02:35 AM
yea speaking of floramo I knowone of his sons run a poker and bingo game somewhere on route 16 in everett by the staduim making tons of cash ....
That could be possible I think they own a trash hauling company...an floramo had a social club on main st in Everett card games an tons of video poker machines
Spags surposedly runs it now..
His sons are Ricky an john I belive they are def players but very low key
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 03:06 AM
yea speaking of floramo I knowone of his sons run a poker and bingo game somewhere on route 16 in everett by the staduim making tons of cash ....
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 03:11 AM
Sorry double posted say meff u think the socail club still there and everett is another place with big mob ties but seems like only ritchie was made heard his father was a big time player then heard he was good with henry selveltilli old timer wiseguy from buccula days one of the originals ......say speaking of ritchie what's up carmen tortora didn't hear from in a while
Posted By: Feared
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:15 AM
no 1 is making moves
Posted By: Feared
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:18 AM
who eva told you that info has no clue what they are talking about,and if so why the fu#@ would anyone put peoples bizness out there like yous do..
Posted By: Feared
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:22 AM
what are yous talking about
mike romano is still in prison in a low security federal prison in Butner NC, his release date is 3/27/2016 anthony ciampi has been in a halfway house since july and his actual release date is tomorrow 1/10/2013 he has been runng a thrift store in East Boston called Hidden Treasures which is in the day square section of East Boston, neither one of those guys are made either, although ciampi became very very close to Bobby Russo Carrozza while they were in federal holding down in the Wyatt Detention facility in RI, rumor on the street was that ciampi's mother had been dating carrozza the past 3 years or so
Posted By: Feared
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:29 AM
who eva you are you should stop saying anthony ciampi name all over this shit,your putting the guys out date, where he is,your saying hes runing hidden treasure.a dude you dont no shit..that man is a really good man hes doing right.now people wanna talk hes doing this and that.and about his mom with bobby,like why would u even say shit like that.
mike romano is still in prison in a low security federal prison in Butner NC, his release date is 3/27/2016 anthony ciampi has been in a halfway house since july and his actual release date is tomorrow 1/10/2013 he has been runng a thrift store in East Boston called Hidden Treasures which is in the day square section of East Boston, neither one of those guys are made either, although ciampi became very very close to Bobby Russo Carrozza while they were in federal holding down in the Wyatt Detention facility in RI, rumor on the street was that ciampi's mother had been dating carrozza the past 3 years or so
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 05:30 AM
Hey you feared u need a smack or ur marbles smashed with all that smack in your vains we are on a fuckin forum hey meff not only wouldn't I reveal myself cause family BUT if my family was retired clean days in the past fucks like this idiot FEARED forget we are in a fuckin chat room and go back running his mouth " this person said this and he related to him blah blah " you moron what is wrong with you we are in a forum meant to chat and share info fuckface hey higher ups sc don cardi no disrespect but this dummy forgot we are in a forum a wiseguy forum shithead like archie bunker always said ""meathead shut up yous ""
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 05:31 AM
Eastside nicky you doing no different than anyone else me especailly cause I know firsthand
Hey dickhead who you know ill have your dearest dangerous connected guy friend of yours bring beef your way for some shitt you have no idea about my friend just for fun cause I can now shut up and like my black buddy say dnt hate particapate sucker
Joe your so macho press those keys a littler harder
Posted By: Camarel
Re: boston - 01/12/13 09:50 AM
This thread is so confusing
This thread is so confusing
Agreed. I think it´s a pissing contest. (???)
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 01:33 PM
Naw it just people think they got it all figured out dickeads dickface moltisanti I can press your face in just as hard u loser
Posted By: Feared
Re: boston - 01/12/13 01:56 PM
a joe russo my point was why are you saying the shit you are out in the open.
Sorry double posted say meff u think the socail club still there and everett is another place with big mob ties but seems like only ritchie was made heard his father was a big time player then heard he was good with henry selveltilli old timer wiseguy from buccula days one of the originals ......say speaking of ritchie what's up carmen tortora didn't hear from in a while
Posted By: Feared
Re: boston - 01/12/13 01:58 PM
what your doing on here ant right and u ant gonna smack shit u dum RAT WANT SOME CHEESE.
Hey you feared u need a smack or ur marbles smashed with all that smack in your vains we are on a fuckin forum hey meff not only wouldn't I reveal myself cause family BUT if my family was retired clean days in the past fucks like this idiot FEARED forget we are in a fuckin chat room and go back running his mouth " this person said this and he related to him blah blah " you moron what is wrong with you we are in a forum meant to chat and share info fuckface hey higher ups sc don cardi no disrespect but this dummy forgot we are in a forum a wiseguy forum shithead like archie bunker always said ""meathead shut up yous ""
Posted By: Feared
Re: boston - 01/12/13 02:04 PM
ALL I SAID TO YOU WAS WHY WOULD YOU SAY THERE BIZNESS ON THIS SHIT,AND U WANNA TALK SHIT LIKE YOUR GONNA DO SOMTHING.DONT GET MAD CAUSE I PUT U ON BLAST..ANY NORMAL PERSON WOULD SLAP U IN YOUR MOUTH FOR WUT YOU WROTE,GET IT JOE RUSSO AKA JR
what your doing on here ant right and u ant gonna smack shit u dum RAT WANT SOME CHEESE.
Hey you feared u need a smack or ur marbles smashed with all that smack in your vains we are on a fuckin forum hey meff not only wouldn't I reveal myself cause family BUT if my family was retired clean days in the past fucks like this idiot FEARED forget we are in a fuckin chat room and go back running his mouth " this person said this and he related to him blah blah " you moron what is wrong with you we are in a forum meant to chat and share info fuckface hey higher ups sc don cardi no disrespect but this dummy forgot we are in a forum a wiseguy forum shithead like archie bunker always said ""meathead shut up yous ""
Posted By: Feared
Re: boston - 01/12/13 02:08 PM
THIS SITE ANT TO PUT PEOPLES BIZNESS OUT THERE,ITS TO TALK ABOUT THINGS IN THE PAST IF ANYTHING..LIKE MOST OF THE POST ON HERE I COME TO JOE RUSSO AND YOUR PUTTING HIS BIZNESS ON HERE WHAT CANT U UNDA STAND KID...
a joe russo my point was why are you saying the shit you are out in the open.
Sorry double posted say meff u think the socail club still there and everett is another place with big mob ties but seems like only ritchie was made heard his father was a big time player then heard he was good with henry selveltilli old timer wiseguy from buccula days one of the originals ......say speaking of ritchie what's up carmen tortora didn't hear from in a while
Posted By: SC
Re: boston - 01/12/13 02:45 PM
THIS SITE ANT TO PUT PEOPLES BIZNESS OUT THERE,ITS TO TALK ABOUT THINGS IN THE PAST IF ANYTHING..LIKE MOST OF THE POST ON HERE I COME TO JOE RUSSO AND YOUR PUTTING HIS BIZNESS ON HERE WHAT CANT U UNDA STAND KID...
You're here one day and you're telling everyone what these boards are for??
Don't write in all caps.
I think you taking this a little to serious relax man...an its all just talk on a website think about it lol...an yes the club is still there its the steel workers union club I think lol..hasn't been a union guy in there forever lol
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 03:54 PM
This fuckin guy who do you kid nobody your a rat lile rossetti had dope fiend mother and ur a project pick on and anthony came along and feed u drugs so now ur his cocksuxker hey piece of shit this is a forum old new or new thats whats its made for here i am ducking my wife pops grandpa etc to be on this having fun and this shithead wants to fick it up
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:00 PM
And if i was a sick prick ill find you kid its possible stupid and we see who bizness will b shared and the only thing u put on blast is that pipe u and ur mom smoke on ...ill would blast u in the face with a 22 and let the bullett bounce around ur face dont play with me this is a forum a wiseguy chatroom and it just so happen im a product of wiseguys so dont act like u know people connected people cause u can be found my friend
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:01 PM
I've never seen SC close a 27 page thread before. But if you guys keep this nonsense up, I'll bet it happens.
I'm a New York guy, but there are only a few of you Boston guys here. Isn't it nice to be able to talk to each other in this thread?
If it ends up closed, then what?
hey listen, anyone can go to the BOP inmate Locator to find out when somone is being released, or where they are, same thing for state prisoners its called vinelink, anyway's Anthony Ciampi is a good dude, no one is saying he is not, people brought him up and asked what is up with him and others from the renegade faction, i only said what he was up to because i have personal knowledge of it, if i didnt i wouldn't speak on it, He does run hidden treasures and his mother Lucille was dating Bobby Carrozza, there was a big fiasco over it, may may bobby's wife was going crazy awhile back, yes it's gossip but it's true, and these people are players, always have been always will. No one is bashing anybody on here saying anthony is selling drugs are running card games like he did back in the day, all i said when someone asked, was where he was and what he's doing now. You know like a "where are they now" type topic, so settle down mr fear, if you dont like don't log in to read, your obviously someone who go's on these message boards and reads, so if you wasn't interested in coffee shop talk you would't be on here, "now go get your fuckin shine box!
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:07 PM
Nicky meffa this fuckin guy got me going worst than ever its ok and understandable to doubt a person is connected or whatnot cause this is a forum and y would a connected person be on here is one thing meff it could be ignored explained in my case is just is my family and upbringing nothing to prove but info but this dickwad forgot we are on a forum shithead a wiseguy chat who are to dictate what we speak about ...
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:10 PM
Pizzaboy this guy is dumb we were having the best chat yet ok nformative and fun and this fuckin guy, ill give him a crack, try to mess things up intimidate nicky meff and i and everyone else on the convo avelino southend azguy gamms etc this fuckin guy we should talj about him and what THE FUCK he knows squat shit fazut
Nicky meffa this fuckin guy got me going worst than ever its ok and understandable to doubt a person is connected or whatnot cause this is a forum and y would a connected person be on here is one thing meff it could be ignored explained in my case is just is my family and upbringing nothing to prove but info but this dickwad forgot we are on a forum shithead a wiseguy chat who are to dictate what we speak about ...
I suggest you calm down before you get banned for a week. Don't think it'll happen? Just wait til SC gets here. And seriously I've said it a million times, but no one can understand what you're saying. At least I can't.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:12 PM
No disrespect sc but this guy trying mess a good thread great one and the best parts just staryed sorry man but hes a jeekoff this guy
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:14 PM
Hey shmo i think u should read one wors at a time obviously i have no commas periods etc so its all fragmensts and run ons kid english 101 u figure it out
Hey shmo i think u should read one wors at a time obviously i have no commas periods etc so its all fragmensts and run ons kid english 101 u figure it out
Clarity goes a long way Russo. You could get your point across a lot better. Are you typing from a phone?
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:18 PM
Pizzaboy this guy is dumb we were having the best chat yet ok nformative and fun and this fuckin guy, ill give him a crack, try to mess things up intimidate nicky meff and i and everyone else on the convo avelino southend azguy gamms etc this fuckin guy we should talj about him and what THE FUCK he knows squat shit fazut
I was just giving friendly advice because Schmoe and Meffa are quality posters and I don't want to see this thread closed for their sake.
I've been here for seven years. I've seen people come and go. And the people who insist on acting tough and arguing every point ALWAYS get banned eventually.
But do what you want. I said my piece.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:19 PM
And u actually think i got time to spwkl everything right cmon proffessor give me a break here u see my blood pressure is high cause this dummy tryin to dictate like castrk and say what we can and can not talk about not even in a police station they can take thatbaway from you ...worthless punk how bout we talk hoa he is an outsider that wasnt accepted by his peers and wants t ok be mobbed up dummy me born right into gangsterism and i choose a paisan life and this fuck is castro and mussulini
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:23 PM
Shmk from a phone thats why i mis spell vey often and pizzaboy im here to enjoy the threat and particapate properly but fucks like that feared punk gets me going ...sc hope u inderstand but hes trying mess up a great thread and tell us what or what not to speak about not cool at all
Russo just don't let it get to you man. Just calm down.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:26 PM
I get a little excited just the same in real life so alot bullsgit gets to me shmo
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:28 PM
Hey who on this actually still in bkston not born and moved but born and still here...just asking
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:36 PM
Whats Freddy Simone up to these days?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:39 PM
Lmao yous that moved is the reason all the yuppies takin over thats for sure lmaol yois moved out they go to harvarc bu bc mit emerson etc and boom yuppies taking over lmaok condo lots you name who the hell is behind all that doetune cant be just property managmenta who else the wiseguys got to have in like the casinos lmaol noticed its everett eastie spri.gfield only places wiseguys are feol lmaol eight after dimasi a mob xohort denies casino then leaves his boy another, real low keu though, mob cohort politicain appeoves and boom millions for suffolk fall river etc mob stomping grounds whats up with that lmaol
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:42 PM
Frdddy simone another gangster to the core real tough i th ok nk he was under granito regime another guy couldve been in the higher ups to me hes like spag and martorano low key tough gangster ols school but dont know to much about him real good queation pizza
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 04:43 PM
Last i heard was that beef he was involved that pretty matty had to squash
Posted By: SC
Re: boston - 01/12/13 06:21 PM
I'm tired of playing nursemaid to all this childish shit. No more warnings will be given and suspensions will be severe for anyone starting or participating in one of these pissing contests.
Freddy simone don't now nada I think he did a ton of time..def a soldier but not to sure about his history
This thread has gotten strange at times but I've posted some great links an vids through these 32 pages an it was my first thread I ever started I've had a great time an I appreciate every post....thank u ivy
Just picked up the book last right its very small not many pages but seems interesting its about gigi portalla an the renagade guys..ill be done with it ill let everyone now if its good
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 11:34 PM
Hey meff this was a great thread did get weird real pointless good convo even though most of the shit is on google only few real info was told street shit eastside nicku esp hes the man lol but good one im more happy because im pure boston baby born and raised shit sometimes i feel like the mayor blacks spanish irish lol im know and with my folks lets just say their not to happy i stayed straight huh lol but u right meff great thread and its keeps going
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 11:37 PM
Meff its a good book by a revere guy talks about that whole war great book u ask me action packed gigi father was rolling with the north end boys got stabbed in a bar fight mother remarried and thats where portalla comes from hes really a marino as we know great book meff enjoy
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/12/13 11:41 PM
And whats up with dee dee he still cant be shelved heard he was dealing with a revere capo whoever the fuxk that is heard he doing real good running few cadd games in eastie as well wonder who hes rolling with
Posted By: Feared
Re: boston - 01/13/13 01:27 AM
I just didnt like how people said who they think his moms with this and that,taking about hes nexts in line just in diffrent word.all im saying once again is you dont say things like that. I bet if he knew someone wrote that stuff he would ask that person not too..i bet that
hey listen, anyone can go to the BOP inmate Locator to find out when somone is being released, or where they are, same thing for state prisoners its called vinelink, anyway's Anthony Ciampi is a good dude, no one is saying he is not, people brought him up and asked what is up with him and others from the renegade faction, i only said what he was up to because i have personal knowledge of it, if i didnt i wouldn't speak on it, He does run hidden treasures and his mother Lucille was dating Bobby Carrozza, there was a big fiasco over it, may may bobby's wife was going crazy awhile back, yes it's gossip but it's true, and these people are players, always have been always will. No one is bashing anybody on here saying anthony is selling drugs are running card games like he did back in the day, all i said when someone asked, was where he was and what he's doing now. You know like a "where are they now" type topic, so settle down mr fear, if you dont like don't log in to read, your obviously someone who go's on these message boards and reads, so if you wasn't interested in coffee shop talk you would't be on here, "now go get your fuckin shine box!
Posted By: Camarel
Re: boston - 01/13/13 01:31 AM
I just didnt like how people said who they think his moms with this and that,taking about hes nexts in line just in diffrent word.all im saying once again is you dont say things like that. I bet if he knew someone wrote that stuff he would ask that person not too..i bet that
hey listen, anyone can go to the BOP inmate Locator to find out when somone is being released, or where they are, same thing for state prisoners its called vinelink, anyway's Anthony Ciampi is a good dude, no one is saying he is not, people brought him up and asked what is up with him and others from the renegade faction, i only said what he was up to because i have personal knowledge of it, if i didnt i wouldn't speak on it, He does run hidden treasures and his mother Lucille was dating Bobby Carrozza, there was a big fiasco over it, may may bobby's wife was going crazy awhile back, yes it's gossip but it's true, and these people are players, always have been always will. No one is bashing anybody on here saying anthony is selling drugs are running card games like he did back in the day, all i said when someone asked, was where he was and what he's doing now. You know like a "where are they now" type topic, so settle down mr fear, if you dont like don't log in to read, your obviously someone who go's on these message boards and reads, so if you wasn't interested in coffee shop talk you would't be on here, "now go get your fuckin shine box!
Stop trying to goad people into arguments with you. I'm guessing you're from Boston,if so Joe and Meffa will be willing to have civil conversations with you
Posted By: Feared
Re: boston - 01/13/13 01:56 AM
I just fully read your messege go get shine boxs..see just right there tells me your one of them dudes that wanted to be a big dog but couldnt makemake it..its an OMERTA THING..U JUST DNT TALK LIKE YOU HAVE NEVA MIND WHATS ON THE STREET LET THEM TALK,DNT MEAN U HAVE TO TALK TO MAKE YOUR SELF LOOK LIKE U NO SHIT CAUSE U DNT..AND HE RUNING HIDDEN TRESURES HAHAHAHAHA DUM ASSS LOL YOUR WRONG WHY.....THAT MANu DOES NOT RUN THAT....AND EVEN IF HE DID ANT YOUR BIZNESS..a
hey listen, anyone can go to the BOP inmate Locator to find out when somone is being released, or where they are, same thing for state prisoners its called vinelink, anyway's Anthony Ciampi is a good dude, no one is saying he is not, people brought him up and asked what is up with him and others from the renegade faction, i only said what he was up to because i have personal knowledge of it, if i didnt i wouldn't speak on it, He does run hidden treasures and his mother Lucille was dating Bobby Carrozza, there was a big fiasco over it, may may bobby's wife was going crazy awhile back, yes it's gossip but it's true, and these people are players, always have been always will. No one is bashing anybody on here saying anthony is selling drugs are running card games like he did back in the day, all i said when someone asked, was where he was and what he's doing now. You know like a "where are they now" type topic, so settle down mr fear, if you dont like don't log in to read, your obviously someone who go's on these message boards and reads, so if you wasn't interested in coffee shop talk you would't be on here, "now go get your fuckin shine box!
Ummmm I just wanna discuss Boston crime an I don't care what you say feared...you haven't contributed anything...an stop posting in caps...an your sentence structure is crazy,,your not making any sense..I don't mean to be rude but just give us your insight not persona feelings because nobody cares no offence
Posted By: Camarel
Re: boston - 01/13/13 02:58 AM
I just fully read your messege go get shine boxs..see just right there tells me your one of them dudes that wanted to be a big dog but couldnt makemake it..its an OMERTA THING..U JUST DNT TALK LIKE YOU HAVE NEVA MIND WHATS ON THE STREET LET THEM TALK,DNT MEAN U HAVE TO TALK TO MAKE YOUR SELF LOOK LIKE U NO SHIT CAUSE U DNT..AND HE RUNING HIDDEN TRESURES HAHAHAHAHA DUM ASSS LOL YOUR WRONG WHY.....THAT MANu DOES NOT RUN THAT....AND EVEN IF HE DID ANT YOUR BIZNESS..a
hey listen, anyone can go to the BOP inmate Locator to find out when somone is being released, or where they are, same thing for state prisoners its called vinelink, anyway's Anthony Ciampi is a good dude, no one is saying he is not, people brought him up and asked what is up with him and others from the renegade faction, i only said what he was up to because i have personal knowledge of it, if i didnt i wouldn't speak on it, He does run hidden treasures and his mother Lucille was dating Bobby Carrozza, there was a big fiasco over it, may may bobby's wife was going crazy awhile back, yes it's gossip but it's true, and these people are players, always have been always will. No one is bashing anybody on here saying anthony is selling drugs are running card games like he did back in the day, all i said when someone asked, was where he was and what he's doing now. You know like a "where are they now" type topic, so settle down mr fear, if you dont like don't log in to read, your obviously someone who go's on these message boards and reads, so if you wasn't interested in coffee shop talk you would't be on here, "now go get your fuckin shine box!
Posted By: Feared
Re: boston - 01/13/13 05:53 AM
How dont you get what im saying,talking about the past is 1thing but saying anthonys mom goes out with his old friend ant right..how bout if she dnt want that.and that anthony runs hidden tresures. And hes nexts in line to run shit.u dnt talk like that nein
Ummmm I just wanna discuss Boston crimie an I don't care what you say feared...you haven't contributed anything...an stop posting in caps...an your sentence structure is crazy,,your not making any sense..I don't mean to be rude but just give us your insight not persona feelings because nobody cares no offence
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/13/13 03:51 PM
Hey guy what if I start talking recent shit active shit what u going do jack shit squat fazuto nada we can talk recent shit real recent as far as how where picks up are mad and collections are paid qll by anthony for bobby or more recent shit like how romano sr stll got scarpa making moves for him one of the reasons scarpa got pinched in revere on an undercover bust let's talk how your a piece of shit that knows no one connected to nobody ur a wannabe who got pushed out ur fanbase now ur a fake tough guy on a aforum
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 01/13/13 03:53 PM
Here this guy tryin to say what we can or can't speak about un fuvkin beliavable
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 01/13/13 04:43 PM
i feel like im in high school when i read these threads lately
Posted By: Camarel
Re: boston - 01/13/13 04:57 PM
i feel like im in high school when i read these threads lately
Me too this thread in particular.
Posted By: SC
Re: boston - 01/13/13 05:29 PM
i feel like im in high school when i read these threads lately
Me too this thread in particular.
Feared and Joerusso were both given a week's break from the boards. Let 'em fight it out in the sandbox.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 01/13/13 05:38 PM
"...and that's that."
Thank god its over...I would like to send a small apology to everyone on these boards...i started this thread an belive it or not I probably woulda killed it a while ago lol...anyway there's a lot of cool Things I posted as far as links an info goes but I understand why everyone is frustrated...
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 01/13/13 06:24 PM
It's not your fault, Meffa. It's not like they weren't warned. Repeatedly.
Seriously...anyway I just wanna stick to facts an real shit
meff, just came across this site called projectmarino.com, it's all about gigi portalla crew and the whole war that went on at the time, and it talks all about the micro chip gigi says the feds implanted him with, pretty interesting stuff, guy's a real loon if you ask me, know a lot of the fella's he ran with but never personally met him, check it out.
Cool thanks...I actually got the book last rite which is based on gigi an the war small book I'm almost done with it... It's actually pretty interesting about the war an all..I found a lot of good info in it so far
Posted By: Gotti
Re: boston - 05/16/13 08:49 PM
Does that have every Italian name registered?
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 05/31/13 06:18 AM
so I read some of salemmi's leagle eagle brief. according to him in 1988 patriarca had a hit out on vinny ferrara cause phil leoneeti just turned. so jr russo his brother and viny killed grasso and the attempd on salemmi. they were kinda scared of jurnior pat. salemmi was alighned wit Charles quitina and after them guys russo his bro and ferrara indicted.anyways jr russo got bumped to consign, and he wanted 15 new guys made but jurnior stalled and they made the 4 guys in the Medford shit, I guess he got 1 rhode island guy DeLuca. the papers leakd there indictments months b4 they got lockd up(dirty cops)
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 05/31/13 02:54 PM
I wish we had some current stuff to talk about rather than 25 year old breaking news...
Yeah nothing new really goin on but I geuss that's a good thing for them...I'm sure we will see something eventually..
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 05/31/13 06:24 PM
costa rica wire rooms and shaking down strip clubs
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/02/13 03:54 PM
I know this for sure things is getting really in form as far as it being ran like a family ... alot of guys is not happyh how people just going around crazy rambling around ....the younger guys is trying to bring the old days back as far as tradition goes as well as keeping the new generation clean and actually making hits before getting straightend out so ...and thats going benefit for years to come if it happens but you never know ..the rossetti thing really got the folks in eastie up tight and pissed off ...heard prochilio jr is trying to lead by example .......
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 06/02/13 05:14 PM
I thought Prochilio was arrested when Rossetti was arrested...? Did he get out, off already..?
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 06/02/13 05:50 PM
the younger guys is trying to bring the old days back as far as tradition goes as well as keeping the new generation clean and actually making hits before getting straightend out so ...and thats going benefit for years to come if it happens but you never know
Bad idea.
The New York families have pretty much adopted a "kill only when absolutely necessary" attitude over the past ten or so years, and it's the main reason that they're still around. It's just too hard to beat murder charges today. And without a "murder in furtherance of racketeering" charge tacked on to an indictment, it's allowing guys like Barney and Stevie to take pleas when necessary. And those plea deals just wouldn't be there if bodies were turning up left and right like they were years ago.
Bottome line, the Feds will turn a blind eye to certain things (believe it or not) if people aren't getting killed all the time. For the mob to survive, they have to kill less, not more. Even if they only whack one guy every ten years, the message still gets out. Because, really, who wants to be that one guy?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/02/13 06:56 PM
I dont know him met his father years ago but from my friends in eastie which i dont know if he is out or not but a great source told my he is ashamed of his close relationship with mark " going through war over rats " and that he will show the younger guys how not to rat and do things the way its supposed to be done like years ago ... now lil mikey comes from a family of gangsters so he sure do have the pedigree but he is on the current younger generation formula of drug peddling and etc so i dont know if hes going to take his father foot steps ...we would just have to wait and see truthfully ...but i will find out if he is out or not by the end of the night
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/02/13 07:13 PM
pizzaboy your absolutely right and my guess is that since rossetti is a killer and turned 5k1(rat) anyone who killed as we know can also rat so idk whats idalogy behind it barboza martorano bulger flemmi a bunch of other killers thats big time rats i guess its to minimize the chances of just a good earner and etc to be straightened out and keep it more compact in a gangster sense i assume ....but my guy who is in elderly with great ties to younger guys supringsly so said gombata is tired of the mark rossetti and deluca's so in order to go old school they are going to go traditional as far as income goes and and straighten out, no drugs which is going to be hard this day and age esp giving the whole suburban of boston revere medford somerville cambridge malden quincy braintree brockton weymouth dedham even parts of the city itself eastie charlestown and southie are drug crazy perk 30,heroin and oc's in particular so that to me is almost un avoidable and he was saying something like proctecting the higher ups as far as protocol calls like a soldato will speak to the union guy or politicain for lets say a spunky spag or a jimmy martorano so that way any roving bugs or investigation protects the higher ups it brought down eddie lato the cheeseman limone manocchio and tony dinunzio no capo going to be delivering personally to an acting or boss no boss is going to be dealing with underlings and etc of course to their discreption but thats whats being enforced and rossetti really got them tired of the fooling around with drugs there might even be a meet to discuss random drug testing which then i thought the guy was going dilussional on me but he been about that life since i heard of him before i knoew him sooo these are things i will personally be watching
pizzaboy your absolutely right and my guess is that since rossetti is a killer and turned 5k1(rat) anyone who killed as we know can also rat so idk whats idalogy behind it barboza martorano bulger flemmi a bunch of other killers thats big time rats i guess its to minimize the chances of just a good earner and etc to be straightened out and keep it more compact in a gangster sense i assume ....but my guy who is in elderly with great ties to younger guys supringsly so said gombata is tired of the mark rossetti and deluca's so in order to go old school they are going to go traditional as far as income goes and and straighten out, no drugs which is going to be hard this day and age esp giving the whole suburban of boston revere medford somerville cambridge malden quincy braintree brockton weymouth dedham even parts of the city itself eastie charlestown and southie are drug crazy perk 30,heroin and oc's in particular so that to me is almost un avoidable and he was saying something like proctecting the higher ups as far as protocol calls like a soldato will speak to the union guy or politicain for lets say a spunky spag or a jimmy martorano so that way any roving bugs or investigation protects the higher ups it brought down eddie lato the cheeseman limone manocchio and tony dinunzio no capo going to be delivering personally to an acting or boss no boss is going to be dealing with underlings and etc of course to their discreption but thats whats being enforced and rossetti really got them tired of the fooling around with drugs there might even be a meet to discuss random drug testing which then i thought the guy was going dilussional on me but he been about that life since i heard of him before i knoew him sooo these are things i will personally be watching
Being a Boston native and from Eastie I have a couple of requests . Is there a slight possibility that you could perhaps type in English, use a punctuation mark every now and then. Another thing to look into is maybe a lawsuit against the school system that you attended. We get no respect when come off as "dumb as a fencepost" when you post. I can tell that you didn't attend one those Boston Catholic schools that all the connected guys sent their kids to.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 06/04/13 10:59 PM
I don't even read Russo's stuff anymore, it makes no sense and my head hurts afterwards.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/05/13 12:49 AM
to bennie the ball i actually went to don basco before it shut down and i dropped out so no i didnt attend a st johns prep cathlolic mem or a bc high because my connected parents kept me in my neighborhood and you being from eastie are you one of those eastie kids that the parents kept you away from guys like me cause you might get into trouble hanging with a guy like me or was your father a degenerate at the old socail club in maverick late on his house and gambling bills so you was eating at your neighbors house everynight ...and besides this is not no essay proffesor this is a forum its not meant for perfection kid ....i see you have the biggest canary of all as your avatar so i see whats your idealogy like ....DONT GLORIFY RATS
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/05/13 12:52 AM
thats something eastie def installs inyou connected or not as you growing dont matter if its orient heights or maverick or saratoga or meridean bennignton wherever they teach not to squeal so why is barboza that rat a avatar ???
Joe when I read your posts my brain splits in half. Can you at least attempt some punctuation?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/05/13 01:16 AM
listn for you guys that think im a graduate from brooks academy philip exeter or thayer academy are out of your fuckin minds and i understand you gentlemen want me to be punctual but my wife a school teacher is punctual my daughter who attends a prep school corrects me enough for me to hear it on here ....im sorry i grew in the north end and the way we speak pronounce things are wrong but im born and raised in the city not trying to say city people have no education or formality but im where we say car is caaarrr and fuck is more like fock know what i mean and even that is said in one big word nowatimean lol i understand fellas but sometimes im too cuaght in my writing and deep into thought from what i got to say to be adding commas and apostophe's and periods cmon we are on a forum we dont really have to type as if im writing an essay or project here
No worries Joe. Just helps with clarity is all
to bennie the ball i actually went to don basco before it shut down and i dropped out so no i didnt attend a st johns prep cathlolic mem or a bc high because my connected parents kept me in my neighborhood and you being from eastie are you one of those eastie kids that the parents kept you away from guys like me cause you might get into trouble hanging with a guy like me or was your father a degenerate at the old socail club in maverick late on his house and gambling bills so you was eating at your neighbors house everynight ...and besides this is not no essay proffesor this is a forum its not meant for perfection kid ....i see you have the biggest canary of all as your avatar so i see whats your idealogy like ....DONT GLORIFY RATS
No Joe, the name of the school you attended was named Don Bosco. You must have dropped out and missed English class. See I went to Dom Savio, in East Boston where all the connected kids went. You know, their father's would make a rather large contribution to the school and the kid would sail through. That's the school you had to take an entrance exam and score a 95 or above to get in. If you didn't, you got sent to Bosco. That was in the late 60's so you should can the "kid" crap .
The reason I have The Baron as an avatar was because my Grand Father, who was a BPD Detective, pinched him once. Get the irony?
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: boston - 06/05/13 09:02 PM
I'll go along with that. But neither should you worship criminals
.
Point is, if you go that route you should be loyal to your friends. And if you become a cop you should be an honest cop. Dirty cops are as bad as wiseguy rats. But worshipping mob guys because you grew up watching movies about them is retarded.
I'm not saying that's what you do, Joe. I'm just trying to make a point because we have a lot of young members here who seem to be impressed by what they see on television. I'm almost 54 years old, grew up with these guys my entire life. I have no such delusions.
Savio prep in eastie holly shit haven't heard that in forever,,well I was born in 86,,but what a rep the school has,,even there hockey teams...what year did they close beanie?? All the connected kids did go there lol
Posted By: Skinny
Re: boston - 06/06/13 12:46 AM
I really have no problem reading anything joe russo writes. Hes a drop out, cut the guy some slack when it comes to grammar. Just read his sentences as one long ass run on sentence.
I really have no problem reading anything joe russo writes. Hes a drop out, cut the guy some slack when it comes to grammar. Just read his sentences as one long ass run on sentence.
Skinny maybe you can teach him and Ivy how to Dougie.
I really have no problem reading anything joe russo writes. Hes a drop out, cut the guy some slack when it comes to grammar. Just read his sentences as one long ass run on sentence.
Skinny I was just requesting that he tighten up his posts . You know, so's yous guys didn't have to pull out your Boston Translator to make sense outta what he's tryin to say.
Savio prep in eastie holly shit haven't heard that in forever,,well I was born in 86,,but what a rep the school has,,even there hockey teams...what year did they close beanie?? All the connected kids did go there lol
They shut off the lights for the final time in 2008 . Did you know that Savio was the original site of Don Bosco High School before they moved in town to Boston. They were both run by the Salesians .Those priests were nasty bastards. They used to beat the shit out of all the kids (except for you know who).
When I went there it was an all boys school .All the "special" daughters went to St. Rose's in Chelsea.I know that one of the Angiulo's had a daughter there and the top E.B. Detective for the BPD Bobby "The Bear" Fawcett had a daughter there too. Neither one could get a date, they were untouchable.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/07/13 01:11 AM
Im glad you cleared that up benny because all the connected guys kids went there like you said and giving the contribution you say they sure the hell close down because of big time finiacail problems if my memory serves me correct and i might be a dropout but im real comfortable finiacally and my wife and i live in brookline with our children so i think im doing pretty well for a high school dropout besides i just want to be a participant on this forum no arguing fellas i try to be as up front as possible and hope you gentlemen can respect it if not go fuck yourselves
Posted By: Skinny
Re: boston - 06/07/13 01:41 AM
I really have no problem reading anything joe russo writes. Hes a drop out, cut the guy some slack when it comes to grammar. Just read his sentences as one long ass run on sentence.
Skinny maybe you can teach him and Ivy how to Dougie.
Yeah maybe when you get out of rehab we can have a dance off
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/07/13 02:41 AM
Haha lol
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 06/07/13 04:45 AM
im really surprised vinny animal just don't step up, the guys respected all over. I dont think he kicks up to cheeseman or his brother maybe limone. he's the real deal. when Howie winter got caught on tape last summer telling some loan shark victims he droped the "hay were with the north end", something real secret is there. Howie knows the winter hill is done theres only 1 game in town he knows and is probaly the most respected in mass but a few. every one says he only in to restaurant biz but guess what that's a racket. every one gets there bread somewhere or liquor. ect is that blue or white colar, I don't eveb think its a crime but the ny guys have gone to jail for the bread racket. joe russo I like you posts whatever. I read when russo and ferrara knew they were goin to get indicted and made peace with jurnior. russo proposed 15 guys but jr. only let 4 (Medford)he was waiting for them eastie guys to go down cause of the Vanessa's recording from 1987 they didn't get indicted till the end of 89 they knew it was coming. that's why they took out salemmi they knew they were going to jail but with there 15 guys could hold a grip, I guess quitina was with salemmi and jr. they were all waiting for the guys that got recorded in Vanessa to go away. say wat you want about jr patriarca but he had shit on lock in rhode island from 1984 to 90 the boston guys just didn't want to listen. they had that luna union in rhode island locked meeting with Chicago guys and Genovese. that union had baby shacks ex con murder nephew as a foreman or something just like 2 years ago.
Ferrara def us respected his restaurant in the north end is pretty good... I don't think he wants to step to maybe in the future but look what happens when u step up (anthony dinunzio)...he got pinched for gambling a couple years after he got out so he's lucky he didn't go back to the can.. and he probably has a ton a legit doe so why take a big role in the fam if he can just sit back..I'm pretty sure he owns ultimate valet to his son runs it...
Posted By: Skinny
Re: boston - 06/07/13 04:03 PM
Thousandth Post Fuckers!!!
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 06/07/13 04:35 PM
Anyone see this today?
“The defense has received information that Martorano has continued his criminal activity,”
You guys think this is just another one of Bulger's defense tactics, or will there be some validity here? should be interesting to see if anything is actually released. doubtful.
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/loc...cting_ex_hitman
Another tactic if ya ask me but who nows... John probably gas laid low since he got out in 2007.. his brother on the other hand is capo and fully engaged in the family...john is an informant so I'm sure he's gunna take the stand it should be interesting
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/09/13 12:12 PM
A connected guy told me that when Patsy Barone was pinched while on the lam a detective asked him how many guys Vinny Ferarra killed he said something like "13 that I know of"
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/09/13 03:37 PM
so basically patsy is ratting or ratted as thats what your saying .. i know vinny did alot of dirty work for sir donato and i konw he was one of the go to guys early on ....him and my uncle was very good friends real close before he passed away but my uncle im speaking was well liked never into the life like my other uncle and father ....i heard while vinny was in school he was always coming around and hanging with the older wiseguys and thats what they wanted more younger guys to do was go to school get an education and "prepare for change" but obviously that didnt even work for vinny... me personally thinks patsy is alright his family still live in the north end and he is well liked and respected a him and vinny are still good friends i never heard of him making statements or proffers so who knows how true that he told tghe detective anything
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 06/09/13 05:09 PM
no way Martorano left the life, his brother is a player with the NE LCN family and besides that what else is he going to do...?
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the State Police were watching out for him, most, if not all our bad apples.
I hope they get the documents they are after and it's brought to light.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 06/09/13 06:55 PM
What became of Patsy Barone after his release? He's dropped off the radar. I always thought it odd that the court apologized to him when he never disputed that he whacked Jimmy Limoli.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/10/13 02:15 PM
My cellie in MCI Concord was from the North end and he said he was around after Patsy shot that kid when the police and everything were at the scene, he said Limoli was a really tough kid and extremely likeable he also told me Patsy and Limoli were practically best friends. My cellie was originally from the North end but owned a pizza shop called West End Pizza in Revere, he's doing 16-20 now or something around that for cocaine trafficking and firearms charges I'm sure you've heard of the case. People say the coke was in the sauce cans but they never found anything in sauce cans,they found nearly two kilos in a sealed Coca-Cola container(in his home), opening it because they "smelt coffee grounds". Only coke found in his shop believe it or not belonged to someone else who worked there. Dom's mistake was selling directly out of the place and obviously dealing with the weak link who caused it all. Sorry for veering off subject I just feel bad for the guy now that he's doing so much time
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/10/13 02:18 PM
And yes I heard that about Barone but I also heard he recanted and for some reason they didn't clip him and let him stick around
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 06/10/13 02:29 PM
I remember exactly who you're talking about. The West End Pizza was actually in North Station near the Garden. I remember reading that they also drew attention by having parties in there after closing. It was a small place, I used to go in there for slices back in the day, under the prior owner, an old timer. I think your buddy's Dad was a made guy in the Patriarca's. If I remember correctly, he was rubbed out in the 70's via some sort of explosion in his store in North Cambridge? I assume he was connected too?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/10/13 03:38 PM
yea yea domenic d i always thought he was related to vincent desciscio who ran with the late great j.r. russo but he wasnt i always got yelled at for that he was old man frankie son and i forget how old man frank dicenso passed away but vinny desciscio died of cancer they say he was pure killer a real muscle for the family behalf oof j.r.russo they say j.r was really down after he passsed never really got over that one they say in a way where he never had a real running parter until the rengade got together
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/10/13 03:41 PM
south end and im sure dom heard stories he was still a fuckin kid at the time i was no more than 12-14 if that at the time so i know dom was 6-7 years old a kid i know the whole family h has a cousin sexy fuckn broad one of the sexiest things i ever saw she is in her 40's and still a fuckin beauty
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 06/10/13 04:45 PM
Here's some of the story from the Boston Globe after his arrest in 2007.
Pepperoni, sausage, or cocaine?
These were allegedly among the options at West End Pizza, a shoe-box-sized pizzeria that authorities say doubled as a carry-out cocaine-sales operation just blocks from the TD Banknorth Garden. Amid the cheese, flour, and toppings behind the counter, authorities say, the employees stashed numerous tiny bags of cocaine for sale.
Beginning in November, State Police conducted a sting operation on the nondescript restaurant, setting up a series of undercover cocaine buys. Police said the pizza place served as both an outlet for sales of small amounts of cocaine and a conduit to the owner's house in Revere, where larger amounts could be procured.
On Thursday, police arrested the owner, Domenic DiCenso, 34, and two employees and uncovered a small arsenal of weapons in DiCenso's home, including machine guns and a silencer.
The bust had faint echoes of the so-called Pizza Connection case in New York City in the mid-1980s, when Mafia families used pizza parlors as fronts for heroin smuggling, resulting in one of the largest organized crime prosecutions in US history.
Suffolk District Attorney Daniel F. Conley said authorities were examining the possibility of a wider conspiracy in the West End Pizza case.
"Whether or not it's affiliated with any sort of organized crime, a syndicate, or ring has to be developed through further investigation, if at all," Conley said.
DiCenso pleaded not guilty yesterday to a host of drug and weapons charges in Chelsea District Court. Police said the raid at his house on Thursday netted 1.5 kilograms of cocaine, enough for 53 single-ounce sales, stashed in a can filled with coffee grounds, two machine guns, three handguns, and a thick wad of cash.
"The idea that a kilogram of cocaine would be contained inside a coffee can suggests he's not a low-level drug dealer, but a sophisticated high-level drug dealer," said Assistant District Attorney Dean Mazzone. Mazzone said coffee is used to mask the scent of cocaine from drug-sniffing dogs.
A judge set DiCenso's bail at $1 million. His next court date was scheduled for April 25.
DiCenso's lawyer, Jerry Falbo, said his client is innocent.
"There is no evidence that the defendant participated in any of the exchanges," Falbo said. "The defendant never made an exchange or sell of any drugs to any State Police officer."
Two of DiCenso's employees - Jose I. Rivera, 33, of Cambridge and Aldo E. Saravia, 30, of East Boston - both pleaded not guilty yesterday in Boston Municipal Court to multiple charges of distributing cocaine.
The tiny West End Pizza storefront had just enough room for an oven, refrigerator, and a counter with five stools. In November, the controlled buys began and continued through last month, police said.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 06/10/13 08:57 PM
http://www.telegram.com/article/20120322/NEWS/103229874/0I hadn't seen this one last year. Matteo Trotto, who survived a hit attempt during the war in the 90's, was indicted on murder charges last year for a 1994 drug related killing. He's been incarcerated the whole time. I think it was Gino Rida who orchestrated his murder attempt.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/10/13 09:52 PM
thats a good one mike havent seen that one either heard of him but dont know the guy worcester has its own little thing going on over there and its mostly drugs alot of gambling goes on and loan sharks but mostly drugs and brothels that i know of
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/11/13 01:00 PM
Crazy thing is, they offered Dom 10 years. He really thought that his case was so erroneous that he stood a fighting chance of beating it. He was a mess, constantly stressing and taking bullshit advice from jailhouse lawyers. I've thought about writing him but I remember he practically never responded to people's mail, just wanted to be left alone. I was with him in Concord and he could not wait to get the hell outta there to atleast a different facility (he was 52A for those who know what that means), but turns out once he got sentenced he ended up staying there and he's there to this day. This is a guy whose supposed to be one of the sharpest guys on the street, and in prison he was like 140 pounds soaking wet, always unshaved, constantly stressing over his case. I swear nothing could go right for the dude
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/11/13 01:01 PM
http://www.telegram.com/article/20120322/NEWS/103229874/0I hadn't seen this one last year. Matteo Trotto, who survived a hit attempt during the war in the 90's, was indicted on murder charges last year for a 1994 drug related killing. He's been incarcerated the whole time. I think it was Gino Rida who orchestrated his murder attempt.
Trotto is the brother of someone who is no longer on this message board
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 06/11/13 01:29 PM
Crazy thing is, they offered Dom 10 years. He really thought that his case was so erroneous that he stood a fighting chance of beating it. He was a mess, constantly stressing and taking bullshit advice from jailhouse lawyers. I've thought about writing him but I remember he practically never responded to people's mail, just wanted to be left alone. I was with him in Concord and he could not wait to get the hell outta there to atleast a different facility (he was 52A for those who know what that means), but turns out once he got sentenced he ended up staying there and he's there to this day. This is a guy whose supposed to be one of the sharpest guys on the street, and in prison he was like 140 pounds soaking wet, always unshaved, constantly stressing over his case. I swear nothing could go right for the dude
how long did he eventually get sentenced too?
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 06/11/13 01:30 PM
never mind i saw your earlier post that said 16-20
damn, should have taken the ten
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 06/11/13 03:31 PM
From the Boston Globe archives, this is what I was looking for. Southend, this is your buddy's father. I remember reading around the time of the son's arrest in 2007 that his Dad was a made guy in the Patriarca's and that this was how he was 'whacked'. Took place in 1980. Lousy way to lose your Dad.
Arson is suspected in an explosion at a North Cambridge pizza shop
yesterday morning in which the shop's owner was killed.
Francesco DiCenzo, 42, of 32 Prince st. in Boston's North End, was dead on
arrival at Cambridge Hospital after the explosion ripped through Franco's
Pizza Sub and Breakfast Shop at 111 Rice st.
Sgt. Joseph Amoroso said an autopsy was scheduled today to determine the cause of DiCenzo's death.
Amoroso said arson was suspected in the 1:20 explosion that spread flames into a beauty shop on the first floor of an adjoining three-story building.
Fire Chief Daniel Regan said the fire's origin seemed "suspicious" and that the smell of gasoline inside the building indicated that arson might have been the cause. Regan also said he believed the pizza shop, located in a residential area, was closed at the time of the incident.
Ten persons were forced to evacuate their apartments in the building next door but were able to return after electrical power was restored.
Regan said the fire was concentrated in the pizza shop's cellar
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/11/13 03:59 PM
ok mikey good stuff i never knew the exact way he died heard something about him in a burglary or something of that nature but i was young and as time pass you out of sight out of mind but he has a niece dom;d cousin sexiest fuckin broad one of tghe pretteist cutest girls i seen the hips the ass oh my god she is something else like a fucking italian model and she couldve been.....south end what did dom do time for before this that made him 52a ,,,,never heard of him doing time before this
Who are the maverick boys?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/11/13 04:18 PM
wiseguys that owned a socail club near this taxi stand in maverick station for years going bacl the 50's and as years passed it was run by j.r. russo and his cohorts very tough young guys bunch of killers who basically ran gambling and regular mob activities out there and eastie(east boston) period ....it is shut down now it did a while ago but there is still socail clubs in east boston i say like 5 of them and because of the ethnic change maverick is not what it used to be as far as mob orientated and controlled but its still has a existence in a sense from guys who keep tradition alive
" If we have to go to war. We must make sure Joe Russo doesn't shoot himself in the foot. Joe Russo doesn't know how to shoot a gun, for christ sake yet alone read a book." Howie Winter to Jerry Angello on war strategy.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/11/13 04:52 PM
where the hell you get that from ???
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/11/13 05:05 PM
howie winter was in the can in 79 for the horse ace fixing scam ..the potential war didnt start until 81/82 when bulger and flemmi wasbt paying the half a million they owned to In Town thats when the comments was made ... the money owned was a quarter million bulger and flemmi inherited from what howie winter already owned In Town from bookmaking and sports gambling and they inherited it was just part of the deal to keep doing business with anguilo and In Town ....joe russo was a killer in the 60's original boston war and made his bones long before that kid .... Joe Russo is one man bulger flemmi martorano would never dear to fuck with and thats before the barboza hit never mind after ...hi whole crew was gangsters to the core ...anyone who knows anything knows that
Jr russos step brother carozza was not exactly well liked
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/12/13 01:35 AM
they were half brothers and its not he wasnt well liked he did something of such and anguilo was very mad and went on to say if he steps in town he is to be shot on sight but that was a bluff statement in matter fsct bobby and carmen tortora was good friends and a had venture together in revere i believe if im right but he was disliked by grumpy anguilo thats it
Anyone have a chart on New England?
Semi recent?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/12/13 11:45 AM
Mike thanks for that info my man good stuff.
Dom had the opportunity to be made, probably without even making his bones given his reputation and his earning capabilities. But if you knew him you'd already know the gangster shit doesn't impress him. Now I know it's probably in part because of his father. The way he used to talk I could always sense he was leaving certain things out on purpose and you could tell it was because he didn't want to talk about it. Thanks again mike
.....south end what did dom do time for before this that made him 52a ,,,,never heard of him doing time before this
He did one-one and a day when he was about 19 for an assault charge. It was definitely self defense the guy came right at him saying I'm gonna kill you and Dom picked up something like a wrench I can't remember and split dudes face.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/12/13 11:50 AM
" If we have to go to war. We must make sure Joe Russo doesn't shoot himself in the foot. Joe Russo doesn't know how to shoot a gun, for christ sake yet alone read a book." Howie Winter to Jerry Angello on war strategy.
That's no doubt a bullshit quote the whole mob knew JR Russo was a guy to be taken serious in war and there are real quotes commending his shooting skills
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/12/13 02:10 PM
yea southend im not feeding into his bullshit we know that very well i posted something about it after he made that dumb comment....zannino another pure killer said j.r.russo "is a genius with a carbine"
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/12/13 02:12 PM
ok thats makes sense about dom didnt know that you though you know its a big small neighborhood and some things gets your attention something dont
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/12/13 02:16 PM
domenic whole family lived on prince st when i was growing lmaol they had this cousin finest fuckin broad around super model a ass like a spanish lady real fat and round plumby so fuckin cute and sex its unbelievable we had it going on but i was to dumb for her too immature if i knew she still be looking like this in her mid early 40's hmmm
Posted By: cornerkid
Re: boston - 06/12/13 03:40 PM
All this talk on Eastie, brings back memories. Place is different now. Heard Pericola's gift shop just closed after being there almost 60 years. Shame what happenned to that neighbohood
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/12/13 03:53 PM
yea the city is almost full of yuppies or immigrants ...look at my neighborhood north end it was nothing but italians and a few jews but now now you have college kids on prince st by the waterfront there goes the yuppies along with a bruins player the tall one i forgets his name hate hockey even in dorchester savin hill is all screwed up southie charlestown everywhere is a different world full of yuppies and politicians but at least the politicians was always in those places ...eastie is full of mexicans el salvadorians and the rest of central america its sad hate to see people from the old country come and get settled in the suburbs instead like in my days everyone shopped on hanover or canal st haymarket yelling out the windows at dinner time italian was spoken evrywhere now its like a fuckin tourist show
Posted By: cornerkid
Re: boston - 06/12/13 04:00 PM
At least In Town still has something to call home. The yupies and what not have no respect for what the North End really is ..but they dont shit all over it like in Eastie. Eastie looks like a fuckin pit.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/12/13 04:31 PM
you right and alot of in town is still occupied by italians and the old timers who refuse to leave or fammilies thats still own property and come back and forth but eastie even though is still has its italian presence around the heights and parts of bennignton and sarotoga but chelsea and maverick is like central america omg its a fuckin over there maverick was nothing but italians even in the projects was italians now its fuckin nicuarga lol im mean dont get me wrong there a mere presence of italians in the maverick are going meridean and all that but the way it used to be compared to now the mexicans and central america its crazy the only place theres italians is deep in the backstreets like london st and everett st etc its crazy in eastie thats for sure
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/13/13 02:22 PM
Russo enough about the cousin you want someone talkin that way about a female in your family
Posted By: cronos
Re: boston - 06/13/13 07:32 PM
I too grew up with alot of these guys and really don't understand how they chose the road they did. Some were from good families, they were around families all the time, two parent families - I didn't grow up in a life of crime - I lived near in Heights then near Maverick projects and got an education. Just a shame. But Mark R was always a little wild - hung out with him for a while. Just amazing he's now just like Whitey! WIsh someone would make a movie and put Eastie on the map!!!
Posted By: cronos
Re: boston - 06/13/13 07:34 PM
so sad isn't it - you could walk from one end of eastie to the other on a warm summer night an no one would bother you- chelsea is what ruined eastie- chelsea was infiltrated then it spread into eastie. plan was to retire there someday - not any more..
Posted By: cronos
Re: boston - 06/13/13 07:42 PM
Eastie was the best place to grow up!!
pizzaboy your absolutely right and my guess is that since rossetti is a killer and turned 5k1(rat) anyone who killed as we know can also rat so idk whats idalogy behind it barboza martorano bulger flemmi a bunch of other killers thats big time rats i guess its to minimize the chances of just a good earner and etc to be straightened out and keep it more compact in a gangster sense i assume ....but my guy who is in elderly with great ties to younger guys supringsly so said gombata is tired of the mark rossetti and deluca's so in order to go old school they are going to go traditional as far as income goes and and straighten out, no drugs which is going to be hard this day and age esp giving the whole suburban of boston revere medford somerville cambridge malden quincy braintree brockton weymouth dedham even parts of the city itself eastie charlestown and southie are drug crazy perk 30,heroin and oc's in particular so that to me is almost un avoidable and he was saying something like proctecting the higher ups as far as protocol calls like a soldato will speak to the union guy or politicain for lets say a spunky spag or a jimmy martorano so that way any roving bugs or investigation protects the higher ups it brought down eddie lato the cheeseman limone manocchio and tony dinunzio no capo going to be delivering personally to an acting or boss no boss is going to be dealing with underlings and etc of course to their discreption but thats whats being enforced and rossetti really got them tired of the fooling around with drugs there might even be a meet to discuss random drug testing which then i thought the guy was going dilussional on me but he been about that life since i heard of him before i knoew him sooo these are things i will personally be watching
Being a Boston native and from Eastie I have a couple of requests . Is there a slight possibility that you could perhaps type in English, use a punctuation mark every now and then. Another thing to look into is maybe a lawsuit against the school system that you attended. We get no respect when come off as "dumb as a fencepost" when you post. I can tell that you didn't attend one those Boston Catholic schools that all the connected guys sent their kids to.
I second the motion/request. At least use periods and/or commas once in a while. We want to read your information and insight into your particular area of expertise. But not knowing when and where a sentence begins and ends kicks in my Adhd like a mother fucker. So please...I'm begging you!
I do enjoy reading the info you post. MAkes me wish I was at Pizzeria Regina right now.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/14/13 03:29 AM
Russo enough about the cousin you want someone talkin that way about a female in your family
southend you think i give a damn if you speak of my cousin or sister because there hot as long its not my precious daughter or my wife i dont give a fuck they are not here for me to fuck thats someone else job so talk about them and if they are hoes talk about them some more i dont care as long its not my ma my wife or my precious daughter i give two fucks
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/14/13 02:01 PM
Paul DeCologero
Posted By: BigHauss24
Re: boston - 06/14/13 03:59 PM
Im only interested in the local stuff, this thread is extremely informal, and hilarious at points..some shit i didnt know of..like the ITAM in Revere? Thought that shut down years ago..my sister got married there (classy i know). Funny story Gerry Anguilo (the son) came into the bar i was working in Malden at about 2 years ago..talked to the cook for a bit, ordered some tips and coke..left me and the cook $20 tip a piece. I had no fuckin clue who he was. soon as he left, apparently good friends with the cook, i asked who he was, he then told me it was Gerry. Real humble, and funny guy..
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/14/13 06:12 PM
[quote=southend]Paul DeCologero thats a wannabe to the max as big as a wannabe can get ...he knew no one was friends with a guy in the renegade faction figured me and my friends sell some pills and heroin do a little dirty work we gets made dummy and then they go kill that pretty young girl for nothing thinking she was going to squeel on them fuckin morons the sad thing is he wasnt never going be made or even an assocaite of anyone thats really involved and he thought he had a chance
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/14/13 06:39 PM
the crazy thing is they were from burlington or medford or something and i dont remeber if domenic dicenso nephew or cousin or some relative was involved but they all was a bunch of nobody's trying to be somebody's with no connections at all. they killed the pretty young lady silva or silvia dont remember her name but a bunch of wannabe's thats all i know
Russo what are you saying ???? It's hard to understand..
Posted By: sittite
Re: boston - 06/15/13 01:33 PM
Made, not made, associate, it's all just guys w guns and some of them have friends w guns. My nobody kills your capo if the nobody pulls the trigger first. Just because someone lives in Burlington they aren't serious???? How do u know they haven't relocated from Boston ( those ferocious streets of Brookline)?? Maybe back in the day it was real......they are ALL wannabes now.....the only ones who aren't are old enough to stay away from stupid moves.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/15/13 02:37 PM
thats ridicolous everyone knows brrokline and burlington are quite suberbs thats great for raisin kids with a great school system and all. brookline lol thats where joseph moved to raise his kids in a quite suberb of boston with a great school system if thats the case him and rose couldve stayed in the north end where she is from .....truth of the matter is they are from burlington and relocated to medford never was they from boston and never was real. they sre a bunch of young punks like so many thats out there today and because you are italian dont mean shit and they thought it did.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/17/13 02:14 PM
What happened to the 19yr old girl was horrific and uncalled for. I do not believe Steve DiCenso, the boyfriend of the murdered girl, is a relative of Ditch (Dom d.)
Paul DeCologero was a millionaire drug trafficker and a bookie among other things including owner of "Pauly's Boys" a gym he opened in Woburn,MA. I think a.b. used to sell coke with/for him back when he ran south Medford with joey mongiello
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/17/13 02:19 PM
Russo do u know if DeCologero was in Vinny Arcieri's crew before the war really began popping off like say before vinny was hit? I know certain guys that stuck with Paul were with arcieri also so that's y I wonder this
Posted By: Scorsese
Re: boston - 06/17/13 02:41 PM
What happened to the 19yr old girl was horrific and uncalled for. I do not believe Steve DiCenso, the boyfriend of the murdered girl, is a relative of Ditch (Dom d.)
Paul DeCologero was a millionaire drug trafficker and a bookie among other things including owner of "Pauly's Boys" a gym he opened in Woburn,MA. I think a.b. used to sell coke with/for him back when he ran south Medford with joey mongiello
If i recall correctly i think of their crew jumped out of a prison bus whilst being transported to prison.
What did the girl actually witness for them to kill her, was it just general drug dealing or a murder?
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 06/17/13 03:38 PM
Scorsese you are correct, one of the younger guys in the crew jumped out of a prison transport bus and tried to escape. I think it was in Kentucky, didn't get far and got another 12 years for his efforts, I believe.
The girl that was killed had guns hidden in her place by the crew and had a general understanding of what they did, so they wacked her out figuring she would be an easy target for law enforcement. To bad, she was only 19 years old.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/17/13 04:10 PM
Russo do u know if DeCologero was in Vinny Arcieri's crew before the war really began popping off like say before vinny was hit? I know certain guys that stuck with Paul were with arcieri also so that's y I wonder this
I honestly dont know. I think it was vinny's crew dont know him personally heard of him but i dont know.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/17/13 04:18 PM
the girl, Aislin Silva,19, was the girlfriend of Steven DiCenso a member of the DeCologero crew. The crew used her apartment as a spot to stash a cache of guns/weapons but the DEA raided the place and the guys didn't trust her if the feds leaned on her so they killed her,dismembered her body and made her disappear they never found her remains. Derek Capozzi, one of her killers, escaped from a van whlile being transported by marshalls to a court appearance. Was caught soon after and now doing his bid at the ADX in Florence.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/17/13 04:47 PM
the only thing i know about them fools is that they worked for some guy who is vinny which i didnt know and really thought they was going get made after the war so they did extra participation for nothing. Using tyhe family name throwing it around and dealing in drugs like its candy and every other day we had an old " family " friend or soomeone of such coming in and saying these young kids are disrespectful they are running around slandering our name bringing in heat this of such and it was really getting to some people so something was going get done thats what i know.. for all i know word got to rossetti and he tipped the feds off so he played it like that so no one's hands got dirty if u ask me. he is from eastie and the war was based in eastie so it makes good sense knowing he was a rat, in the family, was in the war, and was hearing about it like evryone else who is in that life.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/21/13 12:47 PM
I read in Rogue Mobster that he continued to oversee his drug operation while serving a ten year federal sentence which would explain a big portion of his wealth
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/21/13 08:46 PM
the way i feel anyone dealing in drugs is a fuckin bum and i know how much its in our world and community etc but its for fuckin bums and junkies... a little weed is ok nothing wrong with that and i dont smoke but the smack and dope and pills mushrooms and all that other shit is for fuckin junkies losers and i dont care if yous use it or push the junk same shit. Thats why this thing is all fucked up and we got mark rossetti's everywhere in every family. I dont care who you are back in my neighborhood in the old days forget about it, now yuppies and every fuckin lawyer doctor wants smack or something. Its the party 70's that gave the shit a jump start. And people want to say its in the blacks neighborhoods its fuckin everywhere.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 06/21/13 08:52 PM
I have black friends who dont smoke nothing that barely drink and in southie and charlestown its fuckin junkies everywhere so its def not a racial thing. I think theres more white users than black ones by far. Theres more junkies in charlestown, eastie southie and north end than in roxbury, dorchester, mattapan and south end I really believe that with all my heart. Thats why i dont like them fuckin punks decologero and really dont mess with too much people that deal with that junk. A million fuckin ways to make money and pushing smack is def not one of em
Posted By: Chicago
Re: boston - 06/22/13 12:25 PM
Joerusso, I agree with you 100% about the dope stuff. In Chicago it was always a big No No. I wanted to ask you if you know anything about the Genovese Crew that operated in Springfield, Ma. There were some brothers named Scibelli. The Boss of the Crew was called Ski. Later, a guy named Al Bruno became Boss of the Crew because Ski went to prison. Bruno was a Sicilian Immigrant. Was Al Bruno a Zip sent over to America from Sicily to be on the receiving end of the Heroin or was he an actual made guy in the Genovese Family? He got killed later. Is the crew still active?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/22/13 01:00 PM
Joerusso, I agree with you 100% about the dope stuff. In Chicago it was always a big No No. I wanted to ask you if you know anything about the Genovese Crew that operated in Springfield, Ma. There were some brothers named Scibelli. The Boss of the Crew was called Ski. Later, a guy named Al Bruno became Boss of the Crew because Ski went to prison. Bruno was a Sicilian Immigrant. Was Al Bruno a Zip sent over to America from Sicily to be on the receiving end of the Heroin or was he an actual made guy in the Genovese Family? He got killed later. Is the crew still active?
When Sam Cufari died my my late uncle succeeded him as the capo over Springfield/western Massachusetts, Skyball Scibelli. He had two brothers, Albert and Anthony aka Baba and Turk.Al Bruno was Skyballs protege, and yes he was born in Italy but not Sicily. He lived in my hometown right outside of Springfield and in my town most Italians (like Bruno) families came from Bracigliano, not far from Napoli, including my own father's side of the family. When I was a kid and my father talked to me about our uncle Frank, Skyball, that's when I became so infatuated with this stuff. One thing that's virtually unknown outside of Adolfo Brunos own family and close friends is that he actually had a brother who was murdered in Italy by a shotgun blast, from what his nephew told me was over some bullshit reason.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/22/13 01:02 PM
So no Bruno wasn't even a zip and he had nothin to do with the whole Sicilian heroin thing. He was a made guy in the Genovese family
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/22/13 01:05 PM
Since the latest convictions related to Bruno's murder the mob in Springfield hasn't made any noise so I personally don't know who is running things or who is up to take to leaders position. I have some ideas of qualified candidates but that's it
Posted By: Chicago
Re: boston - 06/22/13 09:26 PM
Southend, Did the Scibelli Brothers have a relative who played on the Los Angeles Rams Years ago? I think his name was Joe Scibelli. Didn't some one get killed in Springfied because they were having an affair with Sam (Big Nose) Cufari's wife? Then at the funeral, Sam's wife, who was much younger than him, displayed a big scene of emotion showing she cared for the guy lying in the coffin. I don't recall if the guy belonged to the Crew or if he was a Civilian. I think he was a civilian who actually was a hair dresser. Maybe I'm wrong? Sam was embarrassed by the whole situation. I believe the guy had been warned by Scibelli to cut it out but the guy continued with Sam's wife. I think Sam's wife's name was Betty. Sam then had her leave Springfield. Heard all about it years ago in Chicago. The Genovese Family was the Group with whom the Chicago Outfit Top Bosses would communicate. There was a made guy in the Outfit by the name of Eboli. They called him "Mooch". He belonged to Joey Lombardo who was the Boss of The Grand Ave Crew. Mooch was related to a man named Eboli who was a Captain (New York Lingo) in the Genovese Family. Do you recall any of these things?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/23/13 12:46 PM
Around that time, a guy named Victor DeCaro was having an affair with a local mobster's wife. Him being related to Skyball yet only through marriage and not blood, was given a swift warning probably a beating. Apparently the guy was the type to think with the smaller head to make a long story shorter, so he ended up being found hogtied, throat slit, couple bullets in the head, I think they found him in the Connecticut river. It's considered (officially atleast)unsolved.The guy's son Michael testified in the Frankie Roche/Al Bruno murder trial. It's common knowledge Skyball ordered his son in law's murder, and widely believed that Al Bruno was the killer since Bruno has been the main person of interest in the majority of mob killings especially when the bodies were hogtied during that era of organized crime in springfield . About the football player wow good shit man where did u hear that? A wiseguy guy from Somervill once told me that Skyball had this nephew in the NFL, and every once in a blue moon he'd fill his friends in on how the kid had a hurt ankle good enough to play with, partied hard the night before a game, shit like that. That's the extent of what I could tell you about the nephew on the rams, other than that i'd hafta ask my father.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/23/13 12:50 PM
That was a really good question Chicago, opened up a whole different avenue of memories for me that I havnt thought or heard about in yeeeears. good shit
Posted By: Chicago
Re: boston - 06/23/13 08:51 PM
Southend, The local Mobster's wife was Sam Cufari's wife. I think Victor was on a suicide mission. The Scibelli's were very respected by a couple of the guys in Chicago who knew about them. Joe Scibelli was a guard on the Los Angeles Rams and was a great football player.
Did you know anyone in Springfield named Mancini? I think he was related somehow to the Scibelli's?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/24/13 12:40 PM
There's a boatload of Mancini's and then some in the Springfield area, surrounding areas. Frank and his two brothers ran huge gambling rings, Albert (Baba) Scibelli the papers say 'quietly made millions' off his illegal poker machines alone. My mistake by the way, Skyball was more of a second uncle to me, him actually being my father's uncle. The one recurring word whenever these guys, especially the boss Skyball are mentioned is respect respect respect. Anyway the football player nephew thing rings true to me because it's something I've heard over the years, like I said from a guy out by boston even. Chicago though, that's impressive to me.
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 06/24/13 06:38 PM
the springfield crew was pretty strong up until they killed Bruno, southend I read in 1982 felix transgese was inducted in the family at a house in springfield. Bruno was his sponsor who was the capo sam nose or skyball. I guessing fat tony or bobby manna took a ride up maybe chin, it was never reported, only felix was made in springfield. sam nose had a lot of power, skyball to. they had the a couple Worcester guys some in ct. they had a powerfull crew even up till the capo what was his name , before Bruno guy was kinda young died from cancer in the feds. I read theres father and sons of ndrangheta out there and northern ct. I think you call it a cell I don't know but there related to some montreal guys.
Posted By: Chicago
Re: boston - 06/24/13 07:24 PM
Southend, There was another Crew in Springfield at the same time. I believe they were on the west end. They were with the Patriarca Family. The Genovese Crew was more on the South end of Springfield. I believe the two crews did not have much interaction. Each one respected the rights of the other. Besides, noone was gonna fuck with guys from The Genovese Family out of New York, noone.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 06/24/13 07:42 PM
Wow, very interesting thread as this hits home. So much good info about Boston.
I got a question about Paul Decologero though. I happen to have known of him from living in the area back in the 90's. I used to work out at his gym too! The general consensus was that although not made he held some major power in the area and had a strong backing by the Lucchese's. He was also known to be the renegade boss too, from word on the street. I know that the Patriarca's looked at him as a loose cannon and a wannabe. But do you think it possible that he really was much more powerfull then than the PAtriarc's gave him credit for and that when the war was done he could've possibly been made and upped to capo or higher?
Posted By: Mick7
Re: boston - 06/25/13 12:25 AM
Timmy " The Bat " Mello big time associate in New England fall river/ new bedford. Ended up flipping. Good article and the website says a documentary on the New England Mob scene both LCN and the irish come out in 2014.
http://theindicted.com/timothy-j-mello/
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/25/13 12:50 PM
the springfield crew was pretty strong up until they killed Bruno, southend I read in 1982 felix transgese was inducted in the family at a house in springfield. Bruno was his sponsor who was the capo sam nose or skyball. I guessing fat tony or bobby manna took a ride up maybe chin, it was never reported, only felix was made in springfield. sam nose had a lot of power, skyball to. they had the a couple Worcester guys some in ct. they had a powerfull crew even up till the capo what was his name , before Bruno guy was kinda young died from cancer in the feds. I read theres father and sons of ndrangheta out there and northern ct. I think you call it a cell I don't know but there related to some montreal guys.
damn you guys are hitting on some really interesting topics, luckily I think I can fill a few blanks here and there for you. PMAC, I believe Tranghese was made in a house on Acushnet st. in the South End, Springfield's Little Italy (these days more like Little P.R.);Skyball his capo. The Manzi's of Springfield have strong family connections with the Camorra of Naples, namely Quindici and not only them but other Camorra connected guys/families have made some noise in the city over the past 20+ years or so. Google 'Camorra in Springfield' and click on the Nevada Observer article, very interesting stuff. I wanted to post a quick link to it, but couldn't, worth reading though. The other guy your asking about's name was Anthony DeLevo. He succeeded Skyball as capo until he himself was incarcerated - he died serving his sentence.
Southend, There was another Crew in Springfield at the same time. I believe they were on the west end. They were with the Patriarca Family. The Genovese Crew was more on the South end of Springfield. I believe the two crews did not have much interaction. Each one respected the rights of the other. Besides, noone was gonna fuck with guys from The Genovese Family out of New York, noone.
Chicago - Your right there was another crew of Patriarca guys in Springfield during the same era. Namely the Pugliano brothers Louis and Frank, Frank Colantonio, Gaetano Milano, Sonny Castagna, Rex Cunningham to name a few. Whats always been kinda weird to me was that in Agawam where Adolfo Bruno lived he owned a pizza joint called -for some reason?- Bruno's Pizza. Still there. But anyway it's a building divided in two, with a restaurant on one side and the pizza place on the other. The restaurant on the other side was always owned by the Pugliano's, Patriarca guys. So the building was owned half by the Patriarca family, and the other half lterally by the Genovese lol. Now though the whole building is owned by Bruno's family, Puglianos must've sold. Louie Pugs owns The Monte Carlo restaurant on memorial ave. in west springfield as he did before he was locked up for the Billy Grasso hit
I think the springfield discussion deserves it's own thread
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/25/13 01:07 PM
so much info out there on the Genovese and even the Patriarca springfield crews these boards haven't discussed before. When a guy from Chicago has heard stories from local guys about a crew all the way in springfield i'd say that is pretty cool and i'd be interested in hearing more of what youve heard if anything. that goes to anybody
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 06/25/13 04:24 PM
A lot of great info here, good stuff. SouthEnd, did Arilotta flipping (and Tranghese for that matter) have as much of an impact on the area that we are led to believe? It seems that AA and those two dunce brothers he palled around with really screwed things up down there. Or is it still somewhat business as usual except more low profile? Are the Manzi's active in the area?
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 06/25/13 07:22 PM
yep delevo you know anything about that guy, never heard about the guy guess that was good on his part? was only capo for 2 3 yrs. the guy carlo in Worcester kinda had his on thing going down to ny a lot and all over new England, the country, died about 3 yrs ago drove a caddy I think to the end or maybe a big Lincoln he was a money maker all those guys. Bruno just got f'd by that fed, Im surprised his family didn't go after the wrongfull death lawsuit they had it made. fusco's presentencing report they screwed up on, that's as wrongfull as it gets. he died over that mistake.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/26/13 12:01 PM
Bruno wasn't a rat. You know, even if I had my personal doubts, I wouldn't even contribute to rumor because I have a lot of respect for the rest of his family who are still around, not mobsters just good Italian people.
A lot of great info here, good stuff. SouthEnd, did Arilotta flipping (and Tranghese for that matter) have as much of an impact on the area that we are led to believe? It seems that AA and those two dunce brothers he palled around with really screwed things up down there. Or is it still somewhat business as usual except more low profile? Are the Manzi's active in the area?
Of course it screwed things up as far as they'r own personal operations. But for the bookies, business/stripclub owners and drug dealers and whatnot that were paying these guys, Springfield at the street level has been relatively tranquil. The Manzi's to be honest, if they have an actual crew I personally am not able to name any guys other than the Manzi's themselves but that means nothing - they'r serious guys and they shoot first plus they have money and respect, and been around for years. Arillotta was indeed a clown. Freddy Geas and Ty Geas, were not. The Geas (jee-iss) brothers are or were as tough and feared as you've ever heard they were. For Christ sake in a LCN trial besides the acting boss these two Greeks were the only two who stood up and took life bids on the chin.
yep delevo you know anything about that guy, never heard about the guy guess that was good on his part? was only capo for 2 3 yrs. the guy carlo in Worcester kinda had his on thing going down to ny a lot and all over new England, the country, died about 3 yrs ago drove a caddy I think to the end or maybe a big Lincoln he was a money maker all those guys. Bruno just got f'd by that fed, Im surprised his family didn't go after the wrongfull death lawsuit they had it made. fusco's presentencing report they screwed up on, that's as wrongfull as it gets. he died over that mistake.
Carlo....Mastrototaro? Anthony DeLevo I know he had a nice big house out in Westfield. I heard a story that he shotgunned some black guy in broad daylight right on the sidewalk down in Hartford back in the 80's but I could never find anything on it. I don't know much about him besides whats on the net, and he owned a concession booth at the Big E and his sister in law was my teacher in junior high lol. My ex girlfriends moms boyfriend used to work for DeLevo's former driver, another greek guy named Alevras.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 06/26/13 10:46 PM
So does anyone have any info on who the Renegade's where in the 90's mob war. I am so interested to here about this topic. I always assumed it to be Paul Decologero, but I am not sure now if this is true or if this was just word going around in the suburbs. I grew up in the burbs of Boston near Burlington, and the consensus was Big Paul was the real deal and was being backed by the Luchesse's to help Ray Jr. take control. Any one know what's the deal with this. It's so interesting to me.
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: boston - 06/26/13 10:48 PM
The fact that the Springfield crew made a guy like Arilotta to begin with would seem to suggest there wasn't a lot to pick from up there. However, I read an article a while back that said Springfield had more mob guys than anywhere else in the state except for Boston.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 06/27/13 02:17 AM
So does anyone have any info on who the Renegade's where in the 90's mob war. I am so interested to here about this topic. I always assumed it to be Paul Decologero, but I am not sure now if this is true or if this was just word going around in the suburbs. I grew up in the burbs of Boston near Burlington, and the consensus was Big Paul was the real deal and was being backed by the Luchesse's to help Ray Jr. take control. Any one know what's the deal with this. It's so interesting to me.
Here is a thirteen year old article or summary on the war. DeCologero is mentioned but in no way was he a leader. If anything, he appeared to play a bit part.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 06/27/13 02:20 AM
The scary part is that he was the boss after Bruno was killed, or so the papers claimed.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/27/13 11:44 AM
So does anyone have any info on who the Renegade's where in the 90's mob war. I am so interested to here about this topic. I always assumed it to be Paul Decologero, but I am not sure now if this is true or if this was just word going around in the suburbs. I grew up in the burbs of Boston near Burlington, and the consensus was Big Paul was the real deal and was being backed by the Luchesse's to help Ray Jr. take control. Any one know what's the deal with this. It's so interesting to me.
What you need to do is read Rogue Mobster: The Untold Story of Mark Silverman and The New England Mafia. Plenty info and then some about DeCologero and the renegade faction. He supposedly played both sides being in with Paul and also being in business with Paul's enemies. Good book I'd recommend it for sure
Posted By: Scorsese
Re: boston - 06/27/13 12:30 PM
i read a bit of that book he says that a few of those guys were using heroin too.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/27/13 12:46 PM
The scary part is that he was the boss after Bruno was killed, or so the papers claimed.
Without a doubt A.A. shouldn't ever have held the leaders position over the Genovese guys in Springfield. Western Mass for that matter. But here's the thing, he was never actually promoted to captain. Adolfo Bruno was the official Genovese capo over Springfield/western massachusetts, just like the others before him like Cufari Scibelli and DeLevo. Arillotta was only a soldier the whole time. Artie Nigro's puppet.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 06/27/13 06:03 PM
Thanks Southend.
I actually read that. I agree it was an excellent book. I remember that there was a Paul D chapter which reaffirmed what I thought about Paul. I lived near Burlington and was around the scene when all that was going down. I worked out at Paulie Boys and there was word around the gym that Paul was really the boss of the renegades although not made. This always kind of stumped me. Perhaps he was made by the Lucchesse but the Patriarca faction didn't really know about it? Also JoeRusso claims he was just a wannabee???? It was a confusing time in the mid 90's though...It seemed that the power was up for grabs and everyone wanted a piece. And Silverman himself claims that Paul D was the renegade boss not just a small player in the war.
But again, Although Silverman's book was very entertaining, i'm not sure of how much of it I can believe. I really doubt he was made and he could have also been confused on who held the power in the renegades as maybe he was lower on the scale than he claims he was. Also, Paul was a very intimidating big tough dude and was feared by many in the area. He exuded this aura of an old school cosa nostra. He always talked about bringing things back to the old ways and when the jailed bosses get released in a few years, things are going to be set straight...Now i'm not sure if this was talk as to play the part or if this was real deal talk...But Paul looked the part of a classic Italian gangster and had some balls of titanium to go head to head with the north end...But, Perhaps Mark was mislead by Paul's ruthlessness and respect that he commanded and was under the impression that he was a bigger player in the war than he really was....I hope someone on here has some deeper insight....It was an intriguing time in my life...The atmosphere at that gym before the raid was serious greaseball shit...So many questions!!!lol
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/27/13 10:17 PM
I strait up do not believe Silverman got made. I like the book a lot because a pal of mine is a relatively big part of the book, plus I know a few other names in there; makes a book a lot more interesting to a person for obvious reasons. But anyway caprese your right theres these mixed reviews on DeCologero. Vinny Arcieri was the captain of pretty much the first crew to side with the 'renegade faction', and I know after he was hit some of his guys ended up under Paul. So even if he wasn't made he obviously wielded enough power to bring a made guy's crew under his umbrella which he did
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/27/13 10:19 PM
Silverman talks of a "war chest" DeCologero was putting together and making all his guys kick money towards in order to be prepared to back Patriarca Jr. upon his release from federal prison in the event of a full out war which was really already happening, guys were already being killed to make others fall in line - the right line that is
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 06/27/13 11:18 PM
Good points southend. Ya I don't believe Mark was made either. I think he claims this for added excitement in the story, but it makes no sense in reality...Anyway, Paul was anxiously awaiting for Ray Jr and other bosses (of whom I don't know) to get out and bring things back to the "old ways",the "way they should be". Which in it's own right seemed not to make sense as Ray got demoted and I thought he didn't even want to be boss anymore, I thought he wanted to do straight real estate biz (but who am I to say). But all I know is Paul hated Salemme loyalists and the Luisi's of the North End, and I know the Luisi's hated Paul. I just find it weird how Paul was locked up in the 80's - early 90's, gets out and immediately has major muscle and respect to the point where the North End felt they had to watch their backs...Well maybe I shouldn't say the whole North End, as the North End was actually split since some guys were with East Boston/Renegades.... Makes me think either Big Paul was made by the some friends in NYC that he had ties to or at the very least well backed by them with the promise to be made and upped once Ray Jr. is brought back into power. Very interesting stuff!!!
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 06/28/13 12:54 AM
Southend,
Have you read Last Rites by any chance? I was thinking of ordering this book next?
Posted By: JC
Re: boston - 06/28/13 01:57 AM
I always wondered how Billy Grasso got along with the Genovese people in that area. He went from getting run out New Haven by Midge Annunziata to being made by Patriarca and then under boss to Junior Patriarca, quite a rise. It has been written that he temporarily pushed the Genovese out of Hartford, which I have always had a hard time believing given the strength of the West Side in that area. Also, the Genovese were the most powerful family in the country and represented New England on the Commission, I don't think that they would let it slide if someone was pushing their people around.
Was Midge Annunziata with the Springfield crew or was he on his own in New Haven?
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: boston - 06/28/13 02:00 AM
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/28/13 01:31 PM
Good points southend. Ya I don't believe Mark was made either. I think he claims this for added excitement in the story, but it makes no sense in reality...Anyway, Paul was anxiously awaiting for Ray Jr and other bosses (of whom I don't know) to get out and bring things back to the "old ways",the "way they should be". Which in it's own right seemed not to make sense as Ray got demoted and I thought he didn't even want to be boss anymore, I thought he wanted to do straight real estate biz (but who am I to say). But all I know is Paul hated Salemme loyalists and the Luisi's of the North End, and I know the Luisi's hated Paul. I just find it weird how Paul was locked up in the 80's - early 90's, gets out and immediately has major muscle and respect to the point where the North End felt they had to watch their backs...Well maybe I shouldn't say the whole North End, as the North End was actually split since some guys were with East Boston/Renegades.... Makes me think either Big Paul was made by the some friends in NYC that he had ties to or at the very least well backed by them with the promise to be made and upped once Ray Jr. is brought back into power. Very interesting stuff!!!
While Paul was incarcerated he continued to oversee his drug trafficking activity from prison. Federal prison is also where most people assume he made his big connections with the New York mob, the Luccheses. And no I've never read Last Rites never heard of it, good book? whats it about?
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 06/28/13 02:51 PM
I've never read last rites either. It's another book focusing on the 90's war but focusing on Vincent Marino AKA. Gigi Portalla. I think i'm going to order it. I was just wondering if more info on Pauls crew was in this book. I know him and Gigi were kinda tight. I'm friends with Pauls son Paul Jr. but there is no way I can ever bring any of this up to him....
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 06/28/13 07:12 PM
I've never seem any proof or comments that Paul Decologero was a made man, just a drug dealer and "wanna be" and probably kicked some money up hoping for a chance. That doesn't mean he didn't meet someone that took a liking to him while he was in jail. Heck if Scarfo Jr can get made anyone can, right..? lol..
I also never read anything about Jr wanting back in the life. I think he was the one guy smart enough, and rich enough, to say "here, take it and good luck"...He's done just fine and I understand he's actually become more well thought of by some of the old timers still around.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 06/28/13 08:44 PM
Yup the Paul thing is confusing. He could've been a sleeper capo for the Lucchesse's made in jail for all we know and the NE LCN would still think of him as a punk wannabe drug dealer. Oh and Ray, everyone respects Ray. It was not his fault what happened in that house in Medford. That slimy fuck Mercurio.. That could've been anybody. If they didn't all get pinched, Ray would've had Mercurio thrown in the river within a week.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 06/29/13 02:35 AM
So was Vinny Arcieri a made guy? I was never clear on that. I realized in recent years that I had gone to high school with his sister but I never met him. It's a little more clear as to why he may have been killed.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/29/13 12:21 PM
So was Vinny Arcieri a made guy? I was never clear on that. I realized in recent years that I had gone to high school with his sister but I never met him. It's a little more clear as to why he may have been killed.
Arcieri was a captain, I believe....if anybody that knows better can correct me if im wrong i'd appreciate it
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/29/13 12:25 PM
Yup the Paul thing is confusing. He could've been a sleeper capo for the Lucchesse's made in jail for all we know and the NE LCN would still think of him as a punk wannabe drug dealer. Oh and Ray, everyone respects Ray. It was not his fault what happened in that house in Medford. That slimy fuck Mercurio.. That could've been anybody. If they didn't all get pinched, Ray would've had Mercurio thrown in the river within a week.
A sleeper capo for the Lucchese's I don't see that, I've never heard of that happening before
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 06/29/13 08:12 PM
Colombo's made raaph deloeo from sommerville there acting boss he was a prison buddy of the persico he even inducted 7 guys into the family down in ct at one of the casino hotels january 2008. just read the other day ernie boy a Gambino soldier came up to boston. him an deleo forcde a a brooks brother store to have there contruction done by ernies long island company. him and ralph split some money, surprised the boston guys didn't get a cut but it didn't say anything about them. jerry anguilo would have never let that go down with out a cut. but I could see the luchese making a guy up here. it wouldn't be a sleeper, whats the point you want the other guys no he's a made guy. its like when they all go down to florida they all mingle with each other.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 06/29/13 11:02 PM
Don't get me wrong I respect the theory. I'd love to see the look on Angiulo's face if he were to be told a New York family had a made guy secretly earning for them on his turf especially without paying him tribute. Im reading the Martorano book and it mentions somewhere how Jerry hated the idea of wiseguys from the city thinking they could come to boston and push anybody around. Any boss of a family for that matter...
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 06/30/13 09:21 PM
Yup the Paul thing is confusing. He could've been a sleeper capo for the Lucchesse's made in jail for all we know and the NE LCN would still think of him as a punk wannabe drug dealer. Oh and Ray, everyone respects Ray. It was not his fault what happened in that house in Medford. That slimy fuck Mercurio.. That could've been anybody. If they didn't all get pinched, Ray would've had Mercurio thrown in the river within a week.
A sleeper capo for the Lucchese's I don't see that, I've never heard of that happening before
Ya sleeper capo was a wrong choice of words, sounds stupid, I know. What I meant is perhaps he was made by the Luchesses' but the NE LCN didn't want to acknowledge the legitimacy, because they all thought he was just some punk. But the fact that many associated guys were under him and sit downs were done at hi gym where major decisions were made, confuses me. He seemed to have even more respect and power of any made soldier, you would've thought he was a capo. And in my thoughts this is what he was being groomed to be by his New York friends when the smoke cleared. I dunno, I just can't help but think he was made, since most Vinny's guys reported to him after he died and so many associated guys needed his permission to make moves. Weird stuff!
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 06/30/13 09:46 PM
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 06/30/13 09:54 PM
I'm from new haven. Our family is the largest in new haven history. My grandfather was the youngest of 19 siblings. Interesting enough my great uncle Pat died yesterday and he was the last one still alive. They grew up on Wooster St. What's funny is even though he's been dead for a while people still do not like to talk of him. Caesar Canestri was big around here during that time. From what I hear Grasso was a punk and most didn't like him
Midge Renault sleeps with the fishes
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/01/13 12:42 AM
cheech,
New Haven has the best pizza! I can't get enough of Wooster Street
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 07/01/13 04:30 AM
Was just down there Thursday night. Pepes went downhill when they opened up five other places. My favorite is Sally's. got some Italian ice and a canole after at Libby's. most of my family are members of st Mary Madeline on the corner. Not the same as it was when I was a kid but still nice to go down and reminisce.
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 07/01/13 04:30 AM
We do have the best Abeetz. Fuck NY hahahahahah
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 07/01/13 04:32 AM
I always wondered how Billy Grasso got along with the Genovese people in that area. He went from getting run out New Haven by Midge Annunziata to being made by Patriarca and then under boss to Junior Patriarca, quite a rise. It has been written that he temporarily pushed the Genovese out of Hartford, which I have always had a hard time believing given the strength of the West Side in that area. Also, the Genovese were the most powerful family in the country and represented New England on the Commission, I don't think that they would let it slide if someone was pushing their people around.
Was Midge Annunziata with the Springfield crew or was he on his own in New Haven?
I always assumed midge was with ny not ne
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/01/13 11:57 AM
I'm from new haven. Our family is the largest in new haven history. My grandfather was the youngest of 19 siblings. Interesting enough my great uncle Pat died yesterday and he was the last one still alive. They grew up on Wooster St.
What's funny is even though he's been dead for a while people still do not like to talk of him. Caesar Canestri was big around here during that time. From what I hear Grasso was a punk and most didn't like him
Midge Renault sleeps with the fishes
Who are you talking about? Caesar? Grasso? Midge?
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/01/13 12:26 PM
cheech,
You a fan of Modern A pizza? That's another one I like very much, but ya Sally's is the best pizza in the country IMO. I didn't like how pepe's went all chain either. Up here in Boston, forever we had Regina in the North End and about 10 years ago they end up in almost every mall in the area tarnishing the rep of the original local. Now Santarpios of East Boston is looking to do the same...Shame...
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/01/13 12:44 PM
how'd I know as I was reading that post that Santarpio's was about to be mentioned
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/01/13 12:45 PM
I remember for a while being out by Boston I really thought it was something like "Santappio's" til I went there and realized there was an R in it. incredible pizza though.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/01/13 12:48 PM
how'd I know as I was reading that post that Santarpio's was about to be mentioned
haha...Us Boston folk are passionate about Santarpios. Don't get me wrong, the original location is still awesome, they use that same 100 year old oven, which makes it and the sausage barbeque is mouthwatering. Dammit, I think I need to get out there this week!
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 07/01/13 01:22 PM
I'm from new haven. Our family is the largest in new haven history. My grandfather was the youngest of 19 siblings. Interesting enough my great uncle Pat died yesterday and he was the last one still alive. They grew up on Wooster St.
What's funny is even though he's been dead for a while people still do not like to talk of him. Caesar Canestri was big around here during that time. From what I hear Grasso was a punk and most didn't like him
Midge Renault sleeps with the fishes
Who are you talking about? Caesar? Grasso? Midge?
sorry realized i wasnt clear....Midge
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 07/01/13 01:23 PM
cheech,
You a fan of Modern A pizza? That's another one I like very much, but ya Sally's is the best pizza in the country IMO. I didn't like how pepe's went all chain either. Up here in Boston, forever we had Regina in the North End and about 10 years ago they end up in almost every mall in the area tarnishing the rep of the original local. Now Santarpios of East Boston is looking to do the same...Shame...
I do like Modern, we get take out from there often, i refuse to wait outside in line for an hour for a pizza...
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/01/13 02:10 PM
Thanks for clearing that cheech
Santarpio's! What's the story with that place? Was that a mob joint back in the day?
Posted By: BigHauss24
Re: boston - 07/02/13 01:34 PM
Walked by the Gemini Club yesterday. Still a connected place? People outside looked like something outta a mob movie...then had something to eay at umbertos...SOLID PIZZA!
Where is the Gemini club?
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 07/02/13 02:38 PM
Walked by the Gemini Club yesterday. Still a connected place? People outside looked like something outta a mob movie...then had something to eay at umbertos...SOLID PIZZA!
100% legit LCN hang out, the official club of the North End, lol..
I think Anthony DiNunzio was arrested coming out of there...
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/02/13 04:02 PM
Galaeria Umberto's is my favorite square pizza in the world. Parziales bakery is very good and similar also.
Posted By: BigHauss24
Re: boston - 07/02/13 04:54 PM
Yeah Gemini is in the North End..and i read about Dinunzio walking outta there, so i was in the area and thought what the hell..very picturesque..
how'd I know as I was reading that post that Santarpio's was about to be mentioned
haha...Us Boston folk are passionate about Santarpios. Don't get me wrong, the original location is still awesome, they use that same 100 year old oven, which makes it and the sausage barbeque is mouthwatering. Dammit, I think I need to get out there this week!
Me and my friends actually preferred Regina's in the North End (b4 Polcari's owned it) over Santarpio's. Santarpio's is like Starbucks .People think you're supposed to like it so they do. Back in the day any kid in my neighborhood would rather go to Revere Beach for Bianchi's before they would go to Santarpio's.
What faction holds the most power, Providence or Boston, those Boston guys sound like petty thugs, especially hem Dinunzio brothers, pair of idiots.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/02/13 08:11 PM
Benny, I'm pretty impressed you mentioned Bianchi's. I never roll through revere Beach without swinging by for a slice. Oh and another good joint in Winthrop is pizza center...Seriously good stuff.
I mostly agree about Santarpio's. They did something to the sauce about 10 years ago that makes it not as good. The sauce used to be amazing, but IMO it is still very good for Boston (the original location only) and the NE Reginas is still good to but not like it was.
Another one that I like in the NE is pushcart
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/02/13 08:17 PM
At the moment, on paper It seems Boston. It is where most members are. Providence has very few existing members. For some reason though, now I can't be sure of this, I have a feeling that the current bosses are just in title only and that some of the old timers are really running things but keep the title of being retired so meatball heads like Dinunzio take the heat instead
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/02/13 10:45 PM
very intersting conversations fellas ... i dont know much of the springfield guys but sure did learn a thing or two...they say bostonand i have to be bias and agree but i tell you those guys in providence are no slouch ...some tough men down there and very rich in street history, ties to politicians and very old school in a sense... the last rite book is about gigi marino and that whole war that brought more heat and no paul d is not mentioned and the book is very clear on the killings and the plannings of the killings one of the few books i read, pretty good ... and the gemini club around the corner from my old home where my uncle still lives.. alot of gambling goes on there and alot of other things ... alot of old timers goes there and just something to keep up with tradition in my opinion
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/03/13 12:43 AM
Hey Joe. I know how you feel about Paul from prior posts. Was just wondering if you think the account given in rogue mobster about him is correct. That infact Paul was leading the renegades and if he could have possibly been either a made Lucchese guy or was to be made if the war was won?? Or do you think the Luccheses where using him to fight for them and keep their hands clean and make him fish food after all is said and done? I know you don't care for the guy, but it's just something i'm curious about as he and his crew were running shit in the town I grew up and many considered him a powerful mobster. Thanks my friend.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/03/13 02:09 PM
Hey Joe. I know how you feel about Paul from prior posts. Was just wondering if you think the account given in rogue mobster about him is correct. That infact Paul was leading the renegades and if he could have possibly been either a made Lucchese guy or was to be made if the war was won?? Or do you think the Luccheses where using him to fight for them and keep their hands clean and make him fish food after all is said and done? I know you don't care for the guy, but it's just something i'm curious about as he and his crew were running shit in the town I grew up and many considered him a powerful mobster. Thanks my friend.
we know that the rogue mobster is bullshit if it saying that paulie was the renegade leader because everyone knows thats big time bullshit. It was frank salemme and his cohorts waring against ferrara,bobby corrazzo, j.r russo and his their underlings and it was mostly bobby russo and j.r russo underlings in eastie doing the dirty work. the luccheses would never make him because they would ask people in boston about him and no one would vouch for the guy. He is not a significant factor in any terms for them to vouch for him and he knows nobody. His drug dealing at the fast rate he was dealing was obvious and he wasnt respected amongst the people that mattered period. Yea he maybe a powerful guy there in quite burlington but he was never a guy In Town or in eastie/revere. I dont even think he ever came In Town for a damn pizza or a card game. The closest he ever reached was eastie and thats because he had junk to push over there to the junkie's like rossetti. His role was so small in that war that if one day I wanted to take a ride with my good friend rico or gigi or ralphie and actually planned a hit i played a bigger part than paulie did lmaol that how insignificant he was
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/03/13 02:23 PM
and if im right, well if my brain is working right he was introduced to the faction by car thief and junkie sean tommy cote and a fuckin stoolie. And no vinny arceiri was not made. No one was made in that war but the three capo's and the boss no one respected. They was the only ones made in that whole war and everyone else inparticfular in salemme's side really thought after the war was over was going get made but the real gangsters from the renegade side, romano sr, ponzo and nazzaro, they knew it was out of respect of their skipper's and one day the books might open for them but they didnt care because not only was they gangsters in their own right but born into the gangster life and are generations of it. The only one from the renegade side who was infactuated with being made is vincent gigi marino portalla he is the only guy that was crazy to be a straightened out and his father too was a gangster for anguilo when the both of them was on the rise until the elder marino got stabbed in a bar fight.
If I remember right, they all used to hang down at a social club on Bennington Street run by Romano SR who was under Bobby Carrozza. Maybe Joerusso can confirm that. There were a lot of nobodies running around back then who thought they were big shots. Guys like Sean Cote, Paul Strazulla and that whole gang. It was a mess back then. For every made guy there were 5 that ran around claiming they were connected.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 07/03/13 02:51 PM
Wasn't the Bennington Street place the head quarters for the renegade faction during the war...?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/03/13 03:15 PM
Listen, I understand some people's views on DeCologero as a wannabe and a clown. But the fact is, and I'm 100% unbiased on this, is that even though he wasn't made he was a force and had the means and the balls to take on the mob which he was more than willing. Cash in the millions, big drug connects, support from a 5 families family, plenty guns and shooters, loyal crew mostly killers, huge shylock. This guy was everything a made guy is supposed to be, only difference - he wasn't made.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 07/03/13 04:28 PM
If I remember right, they all used to hang down at a social club on Bennington Street run by Romano SR who was under Bobby Carrozza. Maybe Joerusso can confirm that. There were a lot of nobodies running around back then who thought they were big shots. Guys like Sean Cote, Paul [b]Strazulla[/b] and that whole gang. It was a mess back then. For every made guy there were 5 that ran around claiming they were connected.
What was the back story on the Strazzulo hit? I remember the kid who pled on that ended up with 15 years which I think ended up being a lot longer than some other guys. Did he get hit by his own people?
Posted By: Jrtyler
Re: boston - 07/03/13 04:54 PM
Gemini club last summer in North End
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/03/13 05:04 PM
the strazulla hit i think was done by allen diaz and he plead guilty to that and it was anthony caimpi's socail club on bennington st where him and romano sr and the rest of the renegade supporters hung out at. And for mr paul declorgo goes he is a nobody lets be honest here. All he was, a junk pusher pushed junk around the north shore. No proof of any connections, i never heard anyone say he knew, was connected to, or even known to deal with any family or ny families and the proof is in the pudding. No made guy ever said they dealt with the man so its very hard to believe for me to even aknowlegde that he is made or known anywhere beside the north shore and I still live in the north end with my uncle and grandma when my wife kicks me out lol and have a lot of dealings there and not once was he even mentioned in any serious conversations besides when they killed the girl and when he was mentioned half of the men was like "who the fuck is this kid".. And they was mad because they are like every fuck is a assocaite or a member according to the media and law enforcement and the higher ups dont have a fuckin clue who the guy is not even the younger guys like angelesco or a buffalino or even a richie jr so its very hard for me to believe he is a made or connected guy with ny and not once they called boston to check up on him and get a voucher or a sponser or a ok, nothing. And I say this because I know not one guy of importance knows that chump and they dont care for the guy as one respected guy said " He can go today and tomorrow only his ma will be at the funeral becuase he knows nobody"
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 07/03/13 05:38 PM
http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/boston-no...xz/-/index.htmlVery sad, a kid just home from Afghanistan was murdered in Stoneham early this a.m, Joseph Puopolo, 26. Three people in custody. Not sure if this is at all related to this forum but there were a couple of Puopolo's connected through the years, Christopher with the renegade faction, and a Phil who was enforcing for Arthur Gianelli according to news reports a few years ago.
For now though, it's just a life cut short for a kid who served his country.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/03/13 06:55 PM
Very interesting JoeRusso. The only thing is that as I remember people like Ponzo and gigi themselves had much respect for Paul. Those guys seemed to think he was a big shot. Even though he wasn't made many people like ponzo and gigi and other associates gave Paul the respect of someone powerful. I think there is some top secret shit that nobody has ever reported as it was part of the plan of grabbing power to operate in New England by the Lucceses taking control from the genoveses. Shit we'd never know about. Perhaps there was some really hush, hush shit between the Luchesse's and Paul, where they did not check up on Paul through the made friends of the Genoveses in the North End. Why would they want to know what up from him from the north End guys who sided with their enemies, the genoveses. that would give up there plan, no??? You don't think that's a possibility?
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/03/13 07:00 PM
I just can't see a straight up wannabe getting the respect and fear that he did? Maybe i am biased because i grew up on the North Shore, but why did the LCN never cross him or fuck him up for throwing around Ray Jrs name and the Luchesse name? Questions, questions, questions....They'll probably never be answered. I thank you very much Joe for your answers and you seem to have tremendous knowledge of the scene .
I wonder what would have been if he didn't end up in the can for life.. I know for certain that a huge war chest was being built and the DC crew had people not afraid to go down in flames.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/03/13 09:46 PM
caprese thanks for the respect and appreciation and i too like and respect your theory and way of thinking becuase in this life anything is possible. Let me say this I grew up with rico and love him very much, seen him when i first got indicted in january and he gave me a nice bag of cosmectics, buy anyway since a kid rico was always in some shit and is very capable alot of things and as a kid i remember he brought alot of heat to the neighborhood and some older guys sat him down and gave him some smacks and verbal abuse he still laughs about it lol, but caprese you have to remember here, ponzo and gigi was in the same business as paulie they all pushed junk. Gigi, rico and the rest of the cohorts had some shit, c&w or d&w coke on wheels or drugs on wheels, whatever the name was it was their business : drugs and thats where the respect came from because they where all pushers not because paul was some fucking stand up top notch gangster becuase he was not. That whole war was a boston thing. It was some strong respected capo's going to take over becuase they didnt respect the boss or feel like he was running things the way it was supposed to be ran. They didnt want to be under that tirade so they whack the underboss, attempt a hit on the boss follower and goes to gotti gets permission to whack the boss if he dont step down and makes new guys before he steps down. Then came the indictments and so forth then frank took control and with bobby russo permission the eastie guys started the war all over again because frank wasnt trying to let them eat and frannk was trying to strong arm them not by force but by name and the eastie guys damn near won the war if it wasnt for another indictment. Here's how much paul decologero had a play in the whole thing he was so limited he beat the case at trial becuase he wasnt nearly involved nor a factor. So the luchesse's or genevose had nothing to do with this thing and if he did know anybody of that nature why didnt he get a hand in being more lucrative in the rackets with some made and known gangsters? If he did know the luchesse's why didnt they make him and open a door for them here in mass? He did have his own little cohorts consisitng of his little brother his friends etc... Paul was just a wannabe smack pusher that when the girl got killed and he was brought up the skipper's said who the fuck is this fucking kid using our name as a fuckin sword and reputation and one guy said he runs with the junk pushers in eastie and is a nobody. Someone contacted some eastie guys and he was of no importance and no relations to no one and Basically of my understanding the indictment on him came at a perfect time becuase his time ran out and thats my understanding of mr paul decologero. I cant be wrong on this becuase I just around about this paul just to get a feedback and thats basically what is said his indictment was perfect timing
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 07/03/13 10:43 PM
Love that Gemini picture, thanks !
About Decologero, there's no doubt he had a crew and they were pushing smack, had a stash of guns and he had many underlings.
I think some of these guys just go into business and half hope that someone connected shows up and asks for tribute and they can build a relationship down the road and get their button.
After all, we all know all that matters is $$$$
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/03/13 11:05 PM
and thats all it was azguy a man wishing he can get connected and made by pushing dope and having cache of guns with punk cohorts is nothing different from what street gangs do in cities all around the country lol. street gangs do the same thing that paul and his crew did except they didnt have a street corner they had suburban cities of boston to roam around and push their junk.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/04/13 12:15 AM
Awesome explanation Joerusso. Thanks... I guess the thing is when your growing up in a town like Woburn and going to this gym and all of a sudden you got all these wiseguy looking characters coming in and out in Cadillacs, duffel bags that look to heavy to have gym clothes in em...lol... You get a little awestruck and start hearing some things and say holy shit, this thing we see in the movies is happening in my gym in suburbia..You know? Interesting thing to see back when I was a teenager. thanks again.
So does anyone have any info on who the Renegade's where in the 90's mob war. I am so interested to here about this topic. I always assumed it to be Paul Decologero, but I am not sure now if this is true or if this was just word going around in the suburbs. I grew up in the burbs of Boston near Burlington, and the consensus was Big Paul was the real deal and was being backed by the Luchesse's to help Ray Jr. take control. Any one know what's the deal with this. It's so interesting to me.
What you need to do is read Rogue Mobster: The Untold Story of Mark Silverman and The New England Mafia. Plenty info and then some about DeCologero and the renegade faction. He supposedly played both sides being in with Paul and also being in business with Paul's enemies. Good book I'd recommend it for sure
I heard from a made guy that this Mark Silverman is a fraud. I didn't ask him to elaborate but the guy I heard it from is a family friend who was at the famous 89 induction ceremony. He was already made at the time so he's been around for a long time and he had never met this kid.
For those that read the book, do they mention the murder of a kid that happened in Medford back in September of 95? His initials were GM.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/04/13 12:52 PM
Gary Macarelli. Silverman says Anthony Barry did that. Anthony told me himself that Silvermans a idiot when we first heard Silverman was going to put a book out Lou Pep told me the same thing but I did like the book because it was cool to me to read about Anthony Barry and Angelesco and his cousin Jeff because I did a bid with all of them so to be able to put a face to the story when I read it was pretty cool plus Anthonys pictures in there too
Is there much detail about it or does he just mention it in passing?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/04/13 01:41 PM
It talks about how Gary tried to kill Anthony in a drive by style shooting but that his gun jammed. Anthony was standing out front in the doorway of some social club and saw Gary's face when he leaned out the window and failed to fire his gun. Anthony killed him about two weeks later, according to Silverman. I'm sure he was thrilled when he saw the kid wrote about it in his fuckin book considering he's doing life for the Mucka murder and not Macarellis.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/04/13 01:49 PM
Fuckin Joerusso. You got me buddy. You make a few good points. Such a debatable subject as we can see. Fuck him. Is that better? Lol
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/04/13 02:16 PM
thats a way to start the fourth lol. I mean yea fuck him in my opinion he was a nobody trying to be a somebody so bad that he killed a girl because he thought not only that she was going to snitch but it was done in a sort of way mob style. Imean south end all I am saying is that he was not a factor in the crimewave he was a factor when it came to pushing junk. But forget that keep talking about the medford, malden and north shore because besides eastie(which is boston) and revere and parts of everett I personally know nobody and nothing and there's a lot of activity involving, in a sense, connected guys or their assocaites and it's rich in that area going way back. gangsters always played those areas as some sort of finicail or killing field to a degree and it might be no Boston or revere or even a worcester or springfield but it has its share of activity, so please south end, frankie continue if you may .... I like learning shit lol
It talks about how Gary tried to kill Anthony in a drive by style shooting but that his gun jammed. Anthony was standing out front in the doorway of some social club and saw Gary's face when he leaned out the window and failed to fire his gun. Anthony killed him about two weeks later, according to Silverman. I'm sure he was thrilled when he saw the kid wrote about it in his fuckin book considering he's doing life for the Mucka murder and not Macarellis.
There are a lot of details about that hit that are "interesting" to say the least. Details like the involvement of his best friend in setting him up, what happened in the house just prior to him going outside and walking in to an ambush and what led to the situation escalating in the first place. Do they mention who the second shooter was?
It was no secret AB was the main shooter but like you said, I'm surprised its in the book since its still an open case. AB is doing life for another murder so maybe the authorities don't care anymore.
FYI, GM used to hang around the club on Bennington st with Ciampa and Romano SR.
Posted By: Scorsese
Re: boston - 07/04/13 10:39 PM
and thats all it was azguy a man wishing he can get connected and made by pushing dope and having cache of guns with punk cohorts is nothing different from what street gangs do in cities all around the country lol. street gangs do the same thing that paul and his crew did except they didnt have a street corner they had suburban cities of boston to roam around and push their junk.
lol the idea of a bunch of guys making good money selling drugs waiting for some old guy to come shake them down just so they can feel important sounds hilarious.
Ive heard that boston has a pretty bad pill and heroin epidemic, i watched this documentary once about it and it had this crew of young white kids who sold oxy that they smuggled from florida. I think they were in the southie area or something but it got me thinking this stuff is like the new crack so you would think that the lcn would take full advantage of it being from the areas most of the customers are from.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/04/13 11:17 PM
It' s so fucking lame that this Mark Silverman had to pretend he was made and in the lamest circumstances to write this book. He could have just done it as his true identity , a guy connected to some Winter Hill folks and someone who befriended Decologero. Really unnecessary for him to have tried to pull that bullshit on us. It's so obvious and the book would have been just fine without that stupid lie.
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: boston - 07/04/13 11:25 PM
Got a few questions
1. Who's the boss with Mannachio away? Have a feeling the DiNunzio's were fronts. So who's in charge today?
2. Is the Gemini Club still a mob hangout? Any other ones in north end?
3. What's the amount of made men in Boston, Providence, and Connecticut ( anywhere else)?
4. How many crews?
5. Last known making ceremony?
6. What do they do besides gambling and loansharking (unions?)
7. Last known hit?
Sorry for all the questions. The Patriarcas are definitely the family I know least/about
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 07/05/13 01:28 AM
Most people think it's Peter Limone, but he has a no contact order with about 75 guys after his little brush with the law after getting out of jail with his $30 million. But DiNunzio's were/are underboss and Consig...
Gemini is real deal hangout in the north end. probably the last one.
Highly debated how many made guys are out there since so many are in jail. I'd say at least 30 on the street. Probably 50-60 including the ones in the can.
Don't know how many crews but they have/had about 6 capo's in recent years.
Rumor had it there was at least a couple ceremonies in the last 10 years. Mannachio was in power since I think 1998 so he had a good run and I'm sure he did something to bolster the rank and file.
Shaking down strip clubs seems to be a favorite past time, lol..
But, gambling and loansharking are staples along with B & E's and drug peddling. Not a lot of unions talk but I bet they did all right with the Big Dig project, except for Carmen, lol..
Last known hit is hard to say, but guys with Italian names have come up dead from time to time but it's tough to say exactly how they are connected. It's been quiet for a longtime.
Posted By: Jrtyler
Re: boston - 07/05/13 01:58 AM
Went by the Gemini last year. Several guys hanging around outside- they stared hard when I took a picture outside but didn"t say anything.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/05/13 03:32 AM
Got a few questions
1. Who's the boss with Mannachio away? Have a feeling the DiNunzio's were fronts. So who's in charge today?
2. Is the Gemini Club still a mob hangout? Any other ones in north end?
3. What's the amount of made men in Boston, Providence, and Connecticut ( anywhere else)?
4. How many crews?
5. Last known making ceremony?
6. What do they do besides gambling and loansharking (unions?)
7. Last known hit?
Sorry for all the questions. The Patriarcas are definitely the family I know least/about
Limone is the man with help from dinunzio as help as well as few others who are real low key and old school.
Gemini is real deal and there are a few more in the north end such as a soccer club on north st another one on richmond as well as an real low key one that has more prominence than others located right behind demarco way in the alley
I say the full amount is 60 70 with the guys in the can and on the street 30 - 35 all cities included
There at least 5 crews in boston .. You have martorano that runs south shore quincy dedham etc,spunky has eastie parts of revere those two are for sure now In Town in my opinion is run by ferrara he is too important and valuable and very much in tact with most higher ups and he keeps his circle very small that makes me believe he is still a player, and the other two if you ask me are up in the air but it has to be two more because they are too much going on in eastie/revere as well as south end/dorchester/roxbury and southie that needs a man in charge
Last known ceremony if you ask me was in early to mid 2000's and probably one few years ago involving mostly a few providence guys and a couple boston guys
And they are involved in damn near everything from gambling,shy, unions with local 25 local 7 and a bunch more mostly ran by irish but we all know the real people behind them get a nice taste, they still control all the vending, alot of truck hijacking I know that personally is still being done and of course drugs
And last hit was a few months back not saying no names but lets just say he thought he can run things without kicking up and was clipped old school mob style in his store daylight and he got clipped as a message and it happened in malden at least thats what I heard from the birdies singing early in the morning lmaol
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/05/13 03:51 AM
Got a few questions
1. Who's the boss with Mannachio away? Have a feeling the DiNunzio's were fronts. So who's in charge today?
2. Is the Gemini Club still a mob hangout? Any other ones in north end?
3. What's the amount of made men in Boston, Providence, and Connecticut ( anywhere else)?
4. How many crews?
5. Last known making ceremony?
6. What do they do besides gambling and loansharking (unions?)
7. Last known hit?
Sorry for all the questions. The Patriarcas are definitely the family I know least/about
Limone is the man with help from dinunzio as help as well as few others who are real low key and old school.
Gemini is real deal and there are a few more in the north end such as a soccer club on north st another one on richmond as well as an real low key one that has more prominence than others located right behind demarco way in the alley
I say the full amount is 60 70 with the guys in the can and on the street 30 - 35 all cities included
There at least 5 crews in boston .. You have martorano that runs south shore quincy dedham etc,spunky has eastie parts of revere those two are for sure now In Town in my opinion is run by ferrara he is too important and valuable and very much in tact with most higher ups and he keeps his circle very small that makes me believe he is still a player, and the other two if you ask me are up in the air but it has to be two more because they are too much going on in eastie/revere as well as south end/dorchester/roxbury and southie that needs a man in charge
Last known ceremony if you ask me was in early to mid 2000's and probably one few years ago involving mostly a few providence guys and a couple boston guys
And they are involved in damn near everything from gambling,shy, unions with local 25 local 7 and a bunch more mostly ran by irish but we all know the real people behind them get a nice taste, they still control all the vending, alot of truck hijacking I know that personally is still being done and of course drugs
And last hit was a few months back not saying no names but lets just say he thought he can run things without kicking up and was clipped old school mob style in his store daylight and he got clipped as a message and it happened in malden at least thats what I heard from the birdies singing early in the morning lmaol
Yup. When shootings go down in Malden they usually catch the hood rat within days. In this case nobody saw nothing, no suspects, no further word. Has all the signs of a classic hit
Joerusso, his nickname is Spucky not Spunky. Maybe you knew that and just typed it wrong but I figured I would clarify just in case.
As far as the assassination in Malden, I was told that was over drugs. More specifically weed. The surveillance video released by police shows 2 black kids entering his shop wearing hoodies pulled over their faces and white gloves. In the pictures you can see just a small part of their faces. It looks "gang related" but not the Italians IMO. I could certainly be wrong but using 2 young black kids isn't the mafia's MO. Here is a link to the pics.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/02/14/images-released-of-suspects-in-fatal-malden-shooting/The Gemini is definitely the read deal. I used to play cards in there back around 08. I haven't been back in a long time but it was as legit as they come. If you move a tad north to Revere you have the Patriots club which has taken over as the hot spot since the iTAM closed down a few years back.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/05/13 12:05 PM
Dom D told me oldschool guys more specifically Biaggio doesn't even want to see guys like Billy A in person. I get the impression the old man is doing whatevers in his power to stay under the radar, far under. I always heard he's made on both sides and guys from Boston who to say the least are credible enough have said he's presided over atleast one making ceremony. Even with letting himself easily be seen at the restraunt or whatever seems like just one more effort at appearing retired. Maybe he is, fuck do I know. God bless him He and probably Peter Limone are two guys I've never heard/read one disrespectful word from not one person even the media
the best info on the renegade faction is on this website projectmarino.com
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/05/13 12:08 PM
projectmarino didn't seem to have anything last time I checked. lemme check again...
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/05/13 12:09 PM
ah..i take that back. I definitely agree if anybody wants info on anything renegades go to
www.projectmarino.com absolutely
i think gigi marinos son started this website for his father to help with his case and appeals, the bug in his ass he claims the feds put there, it's pretty interesting stuff although, but there are many pages on the site and a complete list of who was indicted in that case and who was convicted, i read on there that marino claims that carroza was a spy or rat in that case helping the govt get convictions against the others, thats what he claims, alot of info though.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/05/13 12:44 PM
It list mostly informants and witnesses for the G with a little info on all of them with theyr own sections. some news footage relating to the Michael romano jr. murder and his dad's wrongful death lawsuit against the feds for protecting mark rossetti. even our boy decologero is on there lol
didnt decologero beat that case?
Posted By: artichoke
Re: boston - 07/05/13 01:36 PM
I am not going to get in a pissing match with anybody, but I believe some of you guys who know this life also know the Martoranos are no good Johnny is a rat and Jimmy is wrong for allowing it In my book they broke every rule that is why the mob is dead.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/05/13 01:42 PM
decologero beat a case but got convicted of the teen girl's murder
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/05/13 01:44 PM
I am not going to get in a pissing match with anybody, but I believe some of you guys who know this life also know the Martoranos are no good Johnny is a rat and Jimmy is wrong for allowing it In my book they broke every rule that is why the mob is dead.
How exactly did Jimmy "allow" it? And if you didn't already know a pissing match is damn near unavoidable on this board. however we happen to have some good people posting on this topic as of late so no harm no foul..but aswer my question please, thanks
yep no disputing that! As far as jimmy allowing it to happen that's up for debate! But when you are a criminal part of a criminal organazation whether it be la Cosa nostra, The Winter Hill Gang, whatever, you never ever ever sit down with law enforcement and tell them anything about anybody!!! Yes ive heard in the past, and it's in the newspapers almost everyday with this bulger trial going, that martorano says im not a rat im a govt witness only because he testified against corrupt FBI agent and this crumb bum bulger, but the fact is when you are a criminal law enforcement is the enemy, cops, prosecutors, agents you never sit down and discuss anything about anyone, if it wasnt for informants the gov't would be no where in alot of these mafia cases.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/05/13 02:20 PM
oh no doubt johnny is in extreme denial about his cooperation. I think his "can't rat on a rat" excuse is most definitely in big part due to the fact that he's became what he always loathed - a rat. I think in his own mind he still hasn't yet full accepted what he is, and maybe he never will. doesn't really matter.
Very very true, really doesn't matter! Question southend what do you think about what this gigi is stating on his site, that bobby carrozza was a rat for govt in his case and he also mentions frankie imbruglia who has got be in his mid 70's now he was a connected gut with all the guys from eastie as well as RI, what are your thought? He is calling them both publicly know informants, i read parts of that case when the sellemme hit went down in 89, and frank imbruglia was grabbed by state police in everett with marino and another rat john smiley mele, and imbruglia had the license plate number to the rent a car that was used in the attempt on sallemme at the pancake house on rt 1 in saugus and get this the rental car was taken off of a rental lot in EB that imbruglias daughter janice worked at, and on project marino gigi talks about how imbruglia skated thru that whole case with no legal troubles of his own, what do you think, and carrozza was a longtime capt in the family and he was never known to be a rat
When it comes to what Gigi says, you have to take it with a grain of salt. This is a guy who thought the Feds planted a listening device in his ass and embarrassed himself by shouting it in court. Plus, by the time this all reached a head, he was out of his mind on drugs. I hung around a group of guys back then who were in a circle that mixed with Gigi's from time to time and every time I saw him, he was whacked out on dope. It got to the point where his mind started to mush up and he was never normal. People stopped trusting him, stopped associating with him and I even know a few guys who got in the hole to his book several grand a piece and they all told him to beat it. Maybe that's normal for that world but he seemed a lot less respected than other guys I knew back then who were far less notorious. You've got to remember that when the war started the made guys and the connected guys were surrounding themselves with these young kids who were nothing but shooters and once the war was over they were probably going to end up dead themselves. I don't think any of those guys back then had a future in LCN. That whole time was very strange.
Posted By: artichoke
Re: boston - 07/05/13 07:34 PM
I have 2 reasons for making that statement about Jimmy Martorano First and foremost it came out in the trial he made the araingments with the lawyers Francis Demento to make a deal with government. That is contrary to the oath I presume he took if he is the capo they say he is and is earning street money because of his being an lcn member. I also read the Medford tapes and I believe somebody said if I told you your brother was a rat What would you do? Now as for ratting on a rat Connolly didn't rat on anyone so what was his excuse for that testimony. I could be wrong about this because things have changed. Drugs making money off women in strip joints stealing from your friends when they go to jail Maybe that is the new life. If it is the mob is a joke today IMO
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: boston - 07/05/13 07:58 PM
Are the Patriarcas in Springfield Massachusetts or is that only the Genovese?
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/05/13 08:49 PM
Are the Patriarcas in Springfield Massachusetts or is that only the Genovese?
Springfield border the Connecticut River and anything East of the river is supposed to be Patriarca turf. This is a good question for Southend who seems to know a lot about that area.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/05/13 10:15 PM
Are the Patriarcas in Springfield Massachusetts or is that only the Genovese?
In Springfield you have (or had) brothers Frank and Louis Pugliano, Gaetano Milano, Frank Colantoni, Sonny Castagna. These guys among few others moved around between Springfield and Connecticut. Milano had a home right outside of Spfld in East Longmeadow like a lot of other mob guys Genovese or Patriarca.
Posted By: artichoke
Re: boston - 07/07/13 01:42 PM
I believe Milano seeked forgiveness from the judge in the Grasso murder which He performed, and was granted a reduced sentence. I heard he is coming home shortly due to the Fbi mishandling of his case. I remember Castagna and his kid were witneses for the Govt and are in the program. I don't believe the Patriarcas are really a group to worry about in that area now.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/08/13 11:27 AM
I believe Milano seeked forgiveness from the judge in the Grasso murder which He performed, and was granted a reduced sentence. I heard he is coming home shortly due to the Fbi mishandling of his case. I remember Castagna and his kid were witneses for the Govt and are in the program. I don't believe the Patriarcas are really a group to worry about in that area now.
Agreed with on all points
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 07/08/13 03:36 PM
Isn't Milano out now....???
what's the deal with the gemini club? do they do card games and things like that? could you just walk in there or would that be crazy?
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 07/08/13 06:30 PM
there use to be a small sign that said "members only"...I think you would be asked to leave just wandering on and maybe not politely either...
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/09/13 07:36 PM
they dont like me in there I go and bust balls big time lmaol esp during the games lmaol
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: boston - 07/09/13 10:34 PM
Are the Patriarcas involved with any of the NYC or Philly families? I'm guessing the Colombos with that Ralph DeLeo situation and probably the Genovese since they have a crew in Massachusetts. Anyone other families?
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/10/13 01:33 PM
Are the Patriarcas involved with any of the NYC or Philly families? I'm guessing the Colombos with that Ralph DeLeo situation and probably the Genovese since they have a crew in Massachusetts. Anyone other families?
Yes. The Patriarcas are pretty much allied with the Genovese's and always have been but in the 90's the Luccheses wanted a bigger piece causing n eternal war. But I think the Luchesses kind of gave up on that in recent years. Also, the Columbos had a made man operating parrallel but apparently not with the Patriarcas very recently.
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: boston - 07/10/13 07:36 PM
Are the Patriarcas involved with any of the NYC or Philly families? I'm guessing the Colombos with that Ralph DeLeo situation and probably the Genovese since they have a crew in Massachusetts. Anyone other families?
They really don't have a formal affiliation with any of the NY families in particular. But there is contact and an ad-hoc working relationships at times. One Patriarca member, Chippy Scivola, was involved in a strip club shakedown with the Gambinos. And Anthony DiNunzio had contact with Stefanelli. The Patriarcas also warned some Genovese guys about shaking down another strip club, since the owner was suspected to be soft and easy to flip.
I bought "Rogue Mobster" and started reading it last night. I'm about half through it and I can confirm that this kid is full of SHIT! He claims Bulger grabbed him and beat him in a basement because he was pushing coke in Southie. He says Bulger tells him never to show his face again. That story sounded great before the trial but we now know that the legend of Bulger kicking drugs out of Southie was a lie. He shook them all down and was the biggest drug pusher of them all. So that tells me that that story is bullshit. My bullshit meter also pegged when he claims that he blew off a meeting with Spucky Spagnolo after Spucky told people he wanted to work with Mark because "he was the only kid in the north end with balls". I'm not a name dropper but I know the parties involved here and I can tell you this NEVER happened. Furthermore, Spucky has balls bigger than batman and he would never heap those praises on a punk kid from Medford. However, if you still believe this part of the story the next tid bit should convince you he's a liar. If he ever blew off Spucky he would never show his face again. You don't get more old school than Spuck. He's been around since the beginning and when a guy like that calls, first of all, no one knows about it except you and him and second of all, you don't blow him off.
There is so much more that is bullshit but I don't have the time to type it all out. Let me just say that I have checked with a few people I know who he spoke directly about in the book and none of them ever remember even meeting this kid. He was probably some groupie hanger on who wrote a book based on stories he heard or things he saw and then embellished the shit out of it.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/11/13 02:30 PM
Like I said, I enjoyed reading the book because I also know a two or three guys in there, and that was pretty cool I thought. Everything thing you've said about Spucky is the same I've always heard about him too. Not doubt this Silverman is simply a liar. I told you how Anthony and a couple other Medford/Somerville guys shot his credibility down long before the book was even released, but I still looked forward to reading it because of the names I expected to see in it. Honestly, if someone who doesn't know better were to read the book I don't think they'd hate it. That's my unbiased opinion. Of course except for him claiming to have gotten made by Sonny Rizzo, haha! So yeah, for a guy from around Boston who knows the truth behind Silverman's lies it's natural to call bullshit immediately and rightfully so too. But like I said if some kid from east buttfuck Wyoming read the book he'd probably like it get what i'm saying
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/11/13 02:38 PM
I'll admit though, other than a good handful of his claims that I flat out knew were bullshit, there were other things I didn't bother to look into and didn't even wonder if it was true or not.
I guess it would be a good read for shear entertainment but I like to read books to learn the history and the facts.
I haven't read the part about who made him yet but are you saying he claims Sonny Boy made him? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sonny Boy is another one of the old school guys. There is no way he would even speak to this kid let alone make him. Besides, around the time this was written wasn't Sonny Boy in jail with Q-Ball and JR already? Maybe I have my dates mixed up but it doesn't matter. It's all bullshit anyway.
Here are a few other facts. He had a lot of the names wrong. Gary Macarelli was actually Gary MaRcarelli and he was killed at his friends house, not his own. "Sonny" Rizzo was "Sonny Boy". Absolutely no one called him Sonny. Anthony Barry likely never worked for Vinny A (although I don't know for certain) because the mafia knew AB by reputation only and they all thought he was a bad kid and someone who brought too much attention (this I do know although maybe VA disregarded this message). The higher ups knew better than to associate with him and the low level guys at the time were warned.
Here is more circumstantial evidence that I am right about the mafia having nothing to do with AB. This is the story behing the GM murder. GM was moving coke in Medford and refused to pay rent. GM thought he could get away without paying rent because he hung around Ciampi's social club with Romano and those guys and thought he was valuable to them and above paying some independant coke dealer in Medford. When GM failed his attempt on AB, he went right to Bennington st in a panic asking them to smooth it over and protect him. They were pissed off that he made a stupid move and basically said he was warned to stay away from that shit and he was on his own. He went into hiding for a few weeks until he was set up by his friends. They invited him to Medford to watch the Pats game. They were told to keep him there until the sun went down. "Somehow" when he went to leave before day break, his keys were missing but they mysteriously turned up right around sunset. He walked out of the house and stepped into an ambush.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 07/11/13 04:30 PM
Here are a few other facts. He had a lot of the names wrong. Gary Macarelli was actually Gary MaRcarelli and he was killed at his friends house, not his own. "Sonny" Rizzo was "Sonny Boy". Absolutely no one called him Sonny. Anthony Barry likely never worked for Vinny A (although I don't know for certain) because the mafia knew AB by reputation only and they all thought he was a bad kid and someone who brought too much attention (this I do know although maybe VA disregarded this message). The higher ups knew better than to associate with him and the low level guys at the time were warned.
Here is more circumstantial evidence that I am right about the mafia having nothing to do with AB. This is the story behing the GM murder. GM was moving coke in Medford and refused to pay rent. GM thought he could get away without paying rent because he hung around Ciampi's social club with Romano and those guys and thought he was valuable to them and above paying some independant coke dealer in Medford. When GM failed his attempt on AB, he went right to Bennington st in a panic asking them to smooth it over and protect him. They were pissed off that he made a stupid move and basically said he was warned to stay away from that shit and he was on his own. He went into hiding for a few weeks until he was set up by his friends. They invited him to Medford to watch the Pats game. They were told to keep him there until the sun went down. "Somehow" when he went to leave before day break, his keys were missing but they mysteriously turned up right around sunset. He walked out of the house and stepped into an ambush.
Wow, that's some seriously brutal sh$t. With friends like those....
I think GM's cousin posted on this site within the last year or so.
Here are a few other facts. He had a lot of the names wrong. Gary Macarelli was actually Gary MaRcarelli and he was killed at his friends house, not his own. "Sonny" Rizzo was "Sonny Boy". Absolutely no one called him Sonny. Anthony Barry likely never worked for Vinny A (although I don't know for certain) because the mafia knew AB by reputation only and they all thought he was a bad kid and someone who brought too much attention (this I do know although maybe VA disregarded this message). The higher ups knew better than to associate with him and the low level guys at the time were warned.
Here is more circumstantial evidence that I am right about the mafia having nothing to do with AB. This is the story behing the GM murder. GM was moving coke in Medford and refused to pay rent. GM thought he could get away without paying rent because he hung around Ciampi's social club with Romano and those guys and thought he was valuable to them and above paying some independant coke dealer in Medford. When GM failed his attempt on AB, he went right to Bennington st in a panic asking them to smooth it over and protect him. They were pissed off that he made a stupid move and basically said he was warned to stay away from that shit and he was on his own. He went into hiding for a few weeks until he was set up by his friends. They invited him to Medford to watch the Pats game. They were told to keep him there until the sun went down. "Somehow" when he went to leave before day break, his keys were missing but they mysteriously turned up right around sunset. He walked out of the house and stepped into an ambush.
Wow, that's some seriously brutal sh$t. With friends like those....
I think GM's cousin posted on this site within the last year or so.
I should add that the part about his friends setting him up was something I heard on the streets shortly after it went down. I don't want to accuse somebody of something that has never been proven but a few guys who hung around AB at the time made it a point to say that people were so scared of AB and his gang that they set up their best friend just to be left alone. My guess is we'll never know.
Back to the book for a minute.....
"I got involved in some low level scams to keep the eyes of the law on me and not where the real action was. I took a few pinches to keep the heat off other areas"
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright! Sure ya did.
He also says that in January of 95 "Saleme loyalist John Martorano was indicted along with Bulger, Kaufman........". While its true he was arrested in 95, he was actually indicted in 79 I believe and he was no Saleme loyalist. In fact, he was on the lam in FL under a different name. No one even knew where he was except a couple of guys and by JMs own admission, he only talked directly to "the Hill" maybe twice in 15 years.
He also says in the next chapter that Saleme Jr died from lymphoma. If he was as close to him as he states, he would know it wasn't lymphoma. Hell, I wasn't even that close to him and even I know how he really died.
Someone definitely cut the "fact check" budget on this project.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/11/13 11:50 PM
Little_Frankie,
Not to sound like a broken record here, but what are your thoughts on Paul Decologero. I grew up in the burbs and worked out at his gym and there seemed to be some serious activity going on there.
Little_Frankie,
Not to sound like a broken record here, but what are your thoughts on Paul Decologero. I grew up in the burbs and worked out at his gym and there seemed to be some serious activity going on there.
First let me say that I didn't know him or anyone around him. everything I know I heard from guys who did know him. He had his own crew of drug pushers and thieves. They went around the north shore robbing every drug dealer and intimidating them all. It probably looked like a mafia crew because that's how he had it set up but i assure you he wasn't made and they didn't engage in any other LCN activities, just drugs. I do believe he had a connection to the renegade faction but that doesn't mean shit. They were mostly disguising their shakedown as friendship because he had a revenue stream and they needed it. When Bobby "Russo" and Vinny Ferrara went away there were no more "made guys" in the renegade crew. The only renegade members left were drug addicts like Gigi and Ponzo which was probably his connection.........drugs. That's as close as he got to in town and that's not that close. He was surrounded by little wannabe gangsters with their mafia starter kit gold chains and wife beater t shirts so I'm sure he looked legit from the outside but from what I was always told, he was nothing more than a drug dealer with money and a supply chain.
Since I'm on a tear about this book, do you mind if I continue since I'm reading more of it as we speak?
He mentions that he goes to see Robert Luisi at his restaurant and Carmen Dinunzio is behind the counter cooking. He says Carmen comes out, offers him a table and some food. Then he says that Robert will be right out to see him.
I have a few issues with this story. first, Luisi was never a made guy in NE. In fact, he was in jail when his father, brother, cousin and friend got shot up at the 99. As soon as he got out he ran to Philly and bought a button with Merlino but still operated up here some so if he was up here and meeting with Mark, I can't imagine Carmen being there.
Second, even if I'm wrong about Carmen and he was there, there is NO WAY he was serving this punk dinner and kissing his ass. Carmen is an absolute gentleman but the way he wrote that entire story was like Carmen was kissing his ass and his only job was Luisis little errand boy. It's been a long long time since Carmen was an errand boy for anyone.
Posted By: SonnyF
Re: boston - 07/12/13 04:34 AM
Hey guys,
First time poster here. I moved to Boston about 3 years ago from another city on the East Coast that doesn't have a strong mob presence and never has. Found out after some prying and convincing some of the older members of my family that I'm possibly related to a higher ranking guy here in town. I don't know if I feel totally comfortable getting into names, but if anyone is willing to answer some questions for me via private messages or email, I'd love to pick your brain. BoneForTuna0@gmail.com
Ok, I'm done with the book. My honest assessment is that 65% of it is complete and utter fabricated bullshit that just never happened, 20% is shit that is based loosely on actual events but embellished beyond reason and 15% of it is close enough to where I would call it accurate.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/12/13 02:38 PM
Yeah I laughed too at the part when he said he "took few pinches to keep the heat off the real rackets" haha! who the fuck would....anyways...notice how when he's talking about the "big carrot" scam and whatnot that he says he always stayed away from shit like that and told his 'crew' to do the same. Yet practically in the same breath he's saying how he was doing some of those scams and 'took a pinch here and there' to keep attention off his other 'real' money maker rackets. Fuckin kid. Whatever.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/12/13 02:43 PM
Little_Frankie do you know anything about some other guys mentioned like Bobby Rennell, Eddie Insogna. Also he claims to have taken a guy name George Mortimer into his crew as a favor to Beav. You know anything about those guys? Another guy is Brian Porreca who Silverman says was a suspect in several Medford-area murders, was he a serious guy like that?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/12/13 05:37 PM
i never knew the chump or met or even heard too much of his dealings and as far as Im concerned I never heard no real " importsant figure" talk about him even when his book came out now saying all that I should buy his book to see some of the bullshit yous guys is talking about but then again I rather believe ya'll then this non descript lol now please continue he sounds like a real fibber this guy.
Little_Frankie do you know anything about some other guys mentioned like Bobby Rennell, Eddie Insogna. Also he claims to have taken a guy name George Mortimer into his crew as a favor to Beav. You know anything about those guys? Another guy is Brian Porreca who Silverman says was a suspect in several Medford-area murders, was he a serious guy like that?
I remember Perreca and Insogna. IIRC, Porreca was a boxer/trainer. He died about 10 years ago in Vegas where he was living at the time. I never got the impression he was a killer. A tough guy, sure but not a killer. Insogna was just another Malden/Medford kid who hung around the wannabes. His 15 minutes of fame came when he found Patsy Squillante with 2 bullet holes in his head. Since then, I haven't heard anything from or about him.
As for the others like Bobby Rennell, I have NEVER heard those names. My gut tells me that Bobby Rennell was an alias given to protect his true identity. He did mention in the beginning of his book that some of the names have changed to protect some people. If you look at the names he throws out there, all of the real ones have something in common, they are either dead or in jail. That makes me think the others with aliases are still active. If that's the case, I have an idea who Bobby Rennell might be based on when he was away in the book, what he went away for, his physical description and who he had problems with. In fact, I'm almost sure I can guess who it is. The Mortimer character, I have no clue.
Another thing I found suspicious about his book is that the mobsters he mentions ALL had cases against them around the time and they were all over the news and papers back then. It would be pretty easy to just read the papers back then and plug yourself in to the plot. I don't remember him mentioning one guy who was on the street but NOT in the news. And the guys who were active but NOT in the news were the ones doing all the hustling and making all the dough. Does anyone else find it ironic that he doesn't mention ONE of those guys?
This guy reminds me of a dude who watched the movie Titanic and a week later started telling his friends how he was on a boat one time off the coast of Nova Scotia and hit an ice berg............. You get the idea.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/13/13 03:01 AM
Did you guys notice how horribly written the book is, spelling wise??? It is like it never even got proofread.
Also. How does this Mark fella get to walk around Medford still with this blatant bullshit he speaks in his book? I know for a fact he owns an hvac company in Medford. How come no one give him an ass beating?
Did you guys notice how horribly written the book is, spelling wise??? It is like it never even got proofread.
Also. How does this Mark fella get to walk around Medford still with this blatant bullshit he speaks in his book? I know for a fact he owns an hvac company in Medford. How come no one give him an ass beating?
Because the only people he mentions by their reals names are either dead or in jail. Someone should find him and invite him here for a little Q&A. There are enough locals here who know the truth that it would takes us about 3 questions t have suffocated in his own lies and bullshit.
What's his companies name?
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/13/13 04:33 AM
Did you guys notice how horribly written the book is, spelling wise??? It is like it never even got proofread.
Also. How does this Mark fella get to walk around Medford still with this blatant bullshit he speaks in his book? I know for a fact he owns an hvac company in Medford. How come no one give him an ass beating?
Because the only people he mentions by their reals names are either dead or in jail. Someone should find him and invite him here for a little Q&A. There are enough locals here who know the truth that it would takes us about 3 questions t have suffocated in his own lies and bullshit.
What's his companies name?
Q&A would be sweet. Even though there was a bunch of blatant bullshit in that book I did find it interesting for the simple fact that I was always at Paulie boys when that shit was going down. I even helped paint that gym and remember some nights with a bunch of guidos coming into the joint dufflebags filled god knows what...shooting rounds into the dumpster in the middle of the night. So many rumor were going around that Paulie was connected and had friends in NY and from that aspect it made it an interesting read for me.
Anyway, I don't know the name but a friend of mine down in Medford told me he has a company down there and also is always getting arrested for drunk driving and shit like that.
I know Paul moved a lot of drugs so he very well might have been getting them from a Lucchese source since they were a huge source for drugs on the east coast. He also worked with enough connected guys to claim he himself was connected so from that standpoint, it's believable in my opinion but I don't think he ever rubbed elbows with any true made guys................except for Silverman. Hahahaha
Look at it like this. If he was truly part of the renegade crew, the renegade crew had no made guys on the street back then. They were both in jail (Ferrara and Carroza). At best, he would have been around Ramano, Ciampi and those clowns.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/14/13 12:06 PM
So, safe to say Silverman is the real deal
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/15/13 04:20 AM
Yup...Silverman = capo di tutti capi, lol...What a clown...
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/15/13 04:27 AM
I agree with you Little_Frankie...The more I think about the more it makes sense that Paul was just an intimidating big Italian dude going around shaking down north shore dealers who couldn't do a thing about it. From the view point of these small time north shore dealers, it did seem to them that they were getting muscled by a made man. I mean the DC crew really looked the part, talked the part and acted the part... I mean Paul truly believed when Ray Jr..and some others made guys got out of the can soon, things were going to change and he would be rewarded for his loyalty to them... I dunno, weird and confusing shit....the Boston scene was all upside down in the mid 90's ... So hard to know who was made and who wasn't uncles of course you were in the know.
Thanks for the input man.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/15/13 11:08 AM
I admit, when I read the book and came across the 'Paul D' chapter I was surprised to have never heard of him considering the stature Silverman gives him. And I was definitely confused when he was calling him the leader or boss of the renegades. But what I did was overlook it and tried to enjoy the book
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/15/13 11:11 AM
After all this I don't kno y we even gave this cocksmooch 6 pages lol
The one good thing about this book is that it made me finally want to read Last Rites which i'm doing right now. It should take me a couple of days so I'll let you know what I think.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/15/13 11:55 AM
The one good thing about this book is that it made me finally want to read Last Rites which i'm doing right now. It should take me a couple of days so I'll let you know what I think.
Last Rites, whats it about?
The one good thing about this book is that it made me finally want to read Last Rites which i'm doing right now. It should take me a couple of days so I'll let you know what I think.
Last Rites, whats it about?
It's a short book but it's basically the story of Gigi Portalla and the Boston Mob wars.
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Rites-MA-Final-Boston/dp/1596298340
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/15/13 08:06 PM
I admit, when I read the book and came across the 'Paul D' chapter I was surprised to have never heard of him considering the stature Silverman gives him. And I was definitely confused when he was calling him the leader or boss of the renegades. But what I did was overlook it and tried to enjoy the book
Ya. I think this right here proves that Silverman was not made and not someone of true significance and power ... He made Paul out to be like this up and comer who was to become the boss of the Patriarca family if the war was one. I think if anything PAul was being strung along to do dirty work and really believed he was going to be a capo in a few years when Ray got out and spread this word to low level dealers like Silverman who in turn gave Paul the respect of being a real big shot because Mark himself was even lower on the pole than Paul and totally duped by him.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/15/13 08:13 PM
One thing I can say about Paul D. though, is in fact if shit was fought with fists rather than guns he'd literally be crackin skulls with his fists and feet. He was a tough and intimidating motherfucker.... and he would gladly rot in the can forever if it meant upholding omerta... I honestly believe he would have had great potential if he aligned himself up with the right people and didn't have a cre of degenerate gangbanger thugs..Unfortunately for him, he was not very bright in his dealings.
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 07/15/13 11:03 PM
always wonder when limone took over in 2009 if he inducted abunch of new guys. you gotta think he sat in the mass. d.o.c. for 33 yrs every and any inspiring wiseguy he probably met from every town and city across mass. wonder why he waited to 2009 to take over when its said baby shacks wanted to turn it over in 02. that's why boston+metro wont lack for recruits. when I think of the philly family doesn't seem like they got a lot of these 70tys 80tys yr old guys. fox new had video of limone in his guys bunch of old guys parking his car hugs and stuff.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 07/16/13 01:15 AM
always wonder when limone took over in 2009 if he inducted abunch of new guys. you gotta think he sat in the mass. d.o.c. for 33 yrs every and any inspiring wiseguy he probably met from every town and city across mass. wonder why he waited to 2009 to take over when its said baby shacks wanted to turn it over in 02. that's why boston+metro wont lack for recruits. when I think of the philly family doesn't seem like they got a lot of these 70tys 80tys yr old guys. fox new had video of limone in his guys bunch of old guys parking his car hugs and stuff.
A couple of things to remember when Limone got out with Joe Salvati, it was huge nationwide news because of the FBI coverup etc. It would have been insane for him to dive in headfirst when the entire nation saw him as a nice old family man who was the victim of unconscionable FBI misconduct. There was really no mention of mafia during that time. Remember the crusade Dan Rea from Channel 4 went on for them for years (especially Salvati). Articles in national magazines covered Limone reuniting with his wife and kids, how they couldn't believe it was him napping on the couch, how they were shunned in school because people thought he was a killer and he wasn't. One of the articles mentioned that he had a small criminal record due to mistakes he made as a young man, but nothing close to what he was convicted of , and absolutely no mention of mafia.
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 07/16/13 08:32 PM
whitey was gonna have joe salvati supeana joe to the stand but back down today I bet limone inducted joe horse as a favor for his years of prisonness, or just to be 1 of the made guys in boston I bet whitey thought about that to why drag him threw the mudd. salvati got caught on a wire couple yrs ago he was some bbig shots driver. was he anthonys driver. even no they say he's a clown and not really a killed I bet he's made. vinny ferrea maybe also turn the job down he respected across the country. salemmi say jr patriarca was afraid vinny would flip in 1989 after leonetti. wanted him killed that's wat started the russo faction.alot the anguilos kids were connected and did time wonder if they got buttons.donato's kids or larry b. my one stop threw the doc I met Bruno balliro cousin of the famous lwayer of boston brother of rocco ithink. Bruno was a nice old dude he told me storys about he dealings in florida packing keys in his coat, didn't know his family is so famous in gangland boston/rhodeisland circles his cousin the lawyer are the best in boston, represented every mob guy around. is he still alive he be early 70tys I now he was never a member maybe his brother and family. he was a cool celle.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 07/17/13 01:56 AM
Salvati was driving for Freddy Simone back when there was conflict with him and Dee Dee Gioacchini versus Spucky I think. Spucky may have delivered a few fishes to doorsteps if I remember. That's when Good Looking Matty was called in to smooth things over with his famous 'whores in the neighborhood' comment.
Haven't heard much of Salvati. I doubt if he is too involved but what do I know.
Posted By: Skinny
Re: boston - 07/17/13 02:07 AM
whos the biggest books in the boston area?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/17/13 09:48 PM
whos the biggest books in the boston area?
According to most of the rats that have flipped over the years it used to be Doc Sagansky. But now who knows, maybe Richie Gambale's brother Anthony Gambale, guys loaded
Posted By: Mick7
Re: boston - 07/18/13 12:15 AM
Southend, How big were Tierney's Brother-in-laws Robert and Daniel Eremian and they were with another guy named Lyons, they are from salem ma.
Southend, How big were Tierney's Brother-in-laws Robert and Daniel Eremian and they were with another guy named Lyons, they are from salem ma.
They weren't big in OC at all. In fact, I would say they were completely disconnected in OC. However, they were huge in the off shore gambling world. They used to own SOS (Sports Off Shore) which was a sports gambling operation in Antigua. You could either call an 800 number or put your bets in online with a credit card. If you had the hook up, you could call or play online and then meet a local agent to pay or collect. This is where they got in to trouble.
Posted By: Mick7
Re: boston - 07/18/13 12:44 PM
Thanks Little Frankie, I read some more about it last night. They had that off shore and agents all across the US
Posted By: Skinny
Re: boston - 07/18/13 04:56 PM
Thanks south
I've found out some more info about the relationship between Paul D and the renegade faction. According to an old friend of mine, Paul knew Gigi and those guys through his drug business. He knew they would never win the war because they were all whacked out on smack 24/7. Some guys from Paul's crew stole a bunch of guns from Gigi and his guys. These were the guns that the Silva girl was hiding and the reason she was butchered. Paul was hoping to amass a large cache of weapons to hand over to the Ray JR faction when he got out of jail. My buddy basically said that Paul was begging to be legitimized but he knew the renegades couldn't provide that for him and no one on the other side wanted anything to do with him. His plan was to "buy" his way in by handing this war chest over hoping it would ingratiate him to the LCN.
Posted By: Tony_Pro
Re: boston - 07/18/13 10:37 PM
Whitey Bulger trial witness Stephen Rakes found dead
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/...found-dead?liteNo obvious signs of trauma to the body. From what I've heard this guy wasn't an innocent victim as he made himself out to be. Any of our Boston guys know any more?
Little tidbit from the paper, from the paper :
"Stippo Steven Rakes, was a huge ARSONIST, a killer of his first wife with a frying pan, he was a troubled son, troubled brother, troubled friend,I'm not going to say Im gald he is dead because he has a child, but this was not a good man. Here is one for out of towners, Rakes older brother is married to Keven weeks younger sister. Any of you who think weeks did this, please dont be, Kevin if not for whitey would be in jail, becasue he would have joined the gang that counldnt shoot straight. People this is not bad news of Rakes death. Only a hand full of people talked to Stippo, not becasue of whitey, Southie just didnt like him."
James “Whitey” Bulger and Stephen “The Rifleman” Flemmi exchanged heated words today after Flemmi took the stand in US District Court and described Bulger as an FBI informant who gave information to law enforcement “hundreds of times’’ during their shared criminal careers.
Flemmi testified as a prosecution witness against his one-time partner in the Winter Hill Gang, an appearance that lasted for about 15 minutes before the trial ended for the day. But as the jury was leaving, Flemmi stood in the witness stand with his hands on his hips and could be seen mouthing an expletive at Bulger.(He stared at him and said"You MotherFucker")
The 83-year-old South Boston gangster replied, though it was not known what he said.
The two men, who once mapped out extortion and murders together, glared at each other.
“Really,” Flemmi said before being led out of the courtroom.
Bulger is charged in a sweeping federal racketeering indictment with participating in 19 murders in the 1970s and 1980s, extortion, money laundering, and stockpiling guns. He has pleaded not guilty to all charges and is being held without bail. His notoriety grew when he went on the lam for 16 years, evading an international manhunt, and when his cozy ties to corrupt FBI agents were revealed.
Shortly before 1 p.m., Flemmi was sworn in, giving jurors their first look at the 79-year-old who has hearing loss in his right ear. Flemmi was wearing a khaki prison uniform and windbreaker.
“Do you know a man named James Bulger?’’ Flemmi was asked.
“Yes, he’s right there at the table,’’ he replied, describing Bulger’s clothing to confirm the identification.
Flemmi said he last saw Bulger one week prior to Christmas in 1994.
Asked what his relationship with Bulger was, he replied, “Strictly criminal.”
Bulger, through his attorneys, has insisted he was not an informant for the FBI.
Flemmi today was asked directly: Was Bulger an informant for the FBI?
“Yes,’’ Flemmi responded, prompting Bulger to raise his head and look at his former ally.
Flemmi testified that he was on hand “hundreds of times’’ when Bulger provided the FBI with information about other criminals, especially members of the Mafia.
“I was giving him information, and he was giving it to the FBI,’’ Flemmi said.
He said Bulger gave information to corrupt FBI agent John Connolly and other FBI agents.
Flemmi testified about 15 minutes, until 1 p.m., the time the trial ends each day. He is due back on the stand Friday.
Flemmi, according to long-time Boston defense attorney Martin G. Weinberg, “is arguably the most critical witness in the case. He is the single witness who can either adopt or contradict Bulger’s claims that he was not guilty of certain murders and that he was not an informant.”
In letters to a friend from jail last year that were shared with the Globe, Bulger said the two things he most wants to refute are that he was an informant and that he killed two women, who are among his 19 alleged victims. Flemmi is a key government witness on those points.
Flemmi is serving a life sentence for 10 murders and has implicated Bulger in all of them. He claims he watched as Bulger strangled Debra Davis and Deborah Hussey on separate occasions in the 1980s. He is also expected to offer jurors a firsthand account of the corrupt relationship he and Bulger shared with FBI agents and of leaked information he says prompted them to kill other informants.
Rumor is that someone likely gave him a hot shot to kill him and make it look like suicide. He wasn't a drug user so if it turns out to be an overdose, that's likely what happened. He had A LOT of enemies so its anyone's guess who's responsible.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/19/13 01:35 AM
Truthfully and im not bias at all but I really give two fucks about what happened to most of any southie guys to be honest. I have good southie friends and they are the only I cares about and they was not under or feared by bulger not one bit and one of em is nee a dear friend but anyway god bless him and I really dont like that many irish period except the girls lol. And believe me my friends understand and Im open with my opinion and disgust with those bums, and for paul I told yous he was just a drug business partner trying to find a way in from outside the universe never mind the outside the lines.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/19/13 01:50 AM
I've found out some more info about the relationship between Paul D and the renegade faction. According to an old friend of mine, Paul knew Gigi and those guys through his drug business. He knew they would never win the war because they were all whacked out on smack 24/7. Some guys from Paul's crew stole a bunch of guns from Gigi and his guys. These were the guns that the Silva girl was hiding and the reason she was butchered. Paul was hoping to amass a large cache of weapons to hand over to the Ray JR faction when he got out of jail. My buddy basically said that Paul was begging to be legitimized but he knew the renegades couldn't provide that for him and no one on the other side wanted anything to do with him. His plan was to "buy" his way in by handing this war chest over hoping it would ingratiate him to the LCN.
Wow little frankie. Very, very interesting.. This explains to me why Paul always talked about when Ray Jr. gets out of the can everything is going to be set straight. I always knew he was building this war chest and saving all this money for Ray, but I never understood exactly why. Did Ray Jr. actually want to be boss again???? He basically was made to step down by the real Renegades (Russo, Carrozza and Ferrara)... Did Ray have hgis own seperate faction...making for 3 different factions trying to grab the power??? Who was Ray Jr backed by? The Lucchesses? Maybe it is true that Paul was on his way up and would have gotten his in if everything didn't go into the shitter??? This kind of opens up a can of worms in my mind.
Very interesting info!
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/19/13 02:05 AM
As for mr limone very respected smart and one of the few old school men, a mans man, around, As far as making new men i wouldnt be suprised joe the horse is made now he can go to war has balls and very street smart but i dont see to many guys being made, all the important figures are keeping their circles real tight tighter than a virgin pussy and for great reasons. What I do see and thats with a inside view is men thats close and capable of becuase remember i heard they are going old school with hits before buttons and all that so that being said expect a few bodies to pop up before any buttons just because they want things to be real thorough or guys really vouched for by these important figures so they have a better chance of being honorable worthy men of this lifestyle and secret family. I know you guys are saying the bodies bring the heat and blah blah blah but they not going blood thirsty here just keeping things really fundamental dort of speak. To many rats and to minimize that and minimize the rossetti's and deluca's, they trying to clear the drugs all the way out no drug money, usage, taxes nothing.to many ways to make money regardless how good the money is it turns your brain into mush and im ok with some reefer but not everyone knows the limit. They also are very wary with these guys who are tring to hard instead just being natural. Paul d is and example since we talk about him but gigi is a example they use as well as r.i.p. rizzi sonny rizzo step son but my point is they are trying to bonifide themselves with old school rules and demeanor and this been an issue for at leats a year now. And I took a look at the pictures malden just to look and it was like I knew it was white males, and 100 sure gangland related.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/19/13 05:08 AM
agree with Joerusso about that Malden hit. Who's to say that it wasn't disguised to look like 2 black Malden street hoods? Ingenious idea actually.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/19/13 05:24 AM
Hey joerusso or little frankie. I was wondering if either of you seem to know what the deal was wit Ray Jr....The only person I ever heard talk about Ray Jr taking back power was Paul D. Was this just irrational crazy thinking on his part? I mean the guy was made to step down and was in tears of joy that they let him live. I just don't get it. We know about the Eastie renegade faction but was there actually 2 renegade factions one of them being the Ray Jr faction?
I wondered what was meant in silvermans (I know he was a jackass for lying about having his button, but perhaps he did know a few inside things)book about Paul being the leader of the renegaded but perhaps he wasn't referring to the East Boston renegades but rather a Paul D/Ray Jr luchesse backed faction that was another separate renegade faction on it 's own. Is this a possibility guys?
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/19/13 06:00 AM
I dont understand what your asking here caprese. I know this ray jr stepped down after grasso was clipped, I also know that salemme was backing ray jr and popped same day grasso was wacked, I know salemme had his cohorts ready for war after the renegade was indicted, thats when salemme was making his moves on bookies and clipping people so on and forth because obviously the heads of the faction was locked up so it was like unspoken take over and thats when the underlings romano,ciampi,gigi etc from eastie got permission from carrozza to start it back up and take over the bookies and everything salemme got control based on him backing of ray jr anf taking control of the family without the real power saying its ok. With that being said it was more like salemme wasnt respected and took control of whats left from various of indictments of some real powerhouses. And the people that was left wasnt ready for war, the law just came in hard so why get exposed rather stay low and make some bread. Thats why it was bunch of young punks trying to make a name, Yea they was young but had some big balls and idk if it was because they was high on junk or to fuckin smacked to realize how to do anything but it sure wasnt taking over bookies or sports operations or gambling homes and protecting legal business or extortion or even white collar crime as real estate, constructioin nothing but drugs and shooting people that was salemme loyalist and salemme was a ray jr loyalist and salemme took control of whats left and thats what the whole war started over, was to take over and make it back how ray sr had for thirty semi years but it didnt happen for the late great ruzzo, bianco, and ferrara and carrozza because of legal issues. and beleive me if it wasnt for that everyone knows but anyone who knows somebody or something knows salemme and his whole support system didnt have a chance. the faction was too strong and had alot of killers and backing from biago, spucky, carmen tortora gambale, isabella, the providence guys pretty matt, manoccchio with his alliance to bianco and veto deluca and his slient partnership with biago going back to the old country, white and the lists goes on. the only real backing salemme had was sonny rizzo and cue ball and they wasnt going to make a move becuase they would get hit in a minute so that backing was shaky to say the least. so idk where thand there backing wast as strong. Rossetti's, prochilio jr, luisi was young punks as well, very capable, but a nobody, floramo with bobby deluca and salemme brother was the only figures on that side so it was as lopsided as it gets IF it wasnt for the legal issues becuase damn near everyone got canned, EVERYONE. IDK where the luchesse come from because it was russo who went to gotti and got the permission so if anything it was gambino's who supported the faction because if luchesse supported ray jr where was the support? Where was the extra men to win the war or even verbal backing so he wouldnt step down in the first place? And as for paul he wasnt even a turd during this, if it wasnt for the junk and the business with gigi and what not over junk and paulie switchig cocks just for his name to known and get connected we would be like, who is paul decolgero!!!
To put it in simple terms, Salemme was a Ray JR guy. It was JR Russo and Ferrara (leaders of the renegades) who forced Ray JR out so Paul figured if you eliminate the renegades, Ray JR would step back in when he was released. By this time, the blame for the bugging was coming off Ray JR and they were learning it was Mercurio the rat so Ray had a lot of supporters and allies coming back to his side. Some of that support was just people longing for the old days of Ray SR and wanting to end the turbulence.
Personally, I think Ray JR was done with the life. He was probably relieved to get out alive. He went on to be 10x more successful in the legit world than he ever was in the underworld. He was not like his father and I mean that in a good way.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/19/13 04:00 PM
I know yesterday and today should be interesting with Flemmi on the stand.
Stippo seemed very pissed that he wasn't going to testify. I wonder if he had a heart attack while walking? I still wonder why the state chose not to use him though?
I know yesterday and today should be interesting with Flemmi on the stand.
Stippo seemed very pissed that he wasn't going to testify. I wonder if he had a heart attack while walking? I still wonder why the state chose not to use him though?
Because the defense had a miriad of rebuttal witnesses lined up against anything that Rakes would produce on the stand.
If there are still powerful guys left in the family then why are the Dinunzios running things? They're idiots.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/19/13 04:40 PM
Highlights from Flemmi testimony the past two days:
-He's 79, born in Boston, lived most of life here. "Where are you now?"..."I'm in the federal system." "Prison." "Yes."
-Flemmi says has hearing loss in right ear, been in prison 17 years
-HIs divorced wife is deceased. He had two brothers, Michael and Jimmy. Jimmy passed. Has two kids with 1st wife 3 with Marion Hussey
-Met Bulger in '69, then again when returned in '74. Had a relationship for 20 years.
-"I saw him a week prior to Christmas, 1994."
What was your relationship in 20 year period?
"Strictly criminal"
Friends?
Yes.
-Last time he saw Bulger was a week before Christmas in 1994
-Were you an FBI informant?
Yes. Back in the 60's.
"Quid pro quo. I was giving them information, they were giving me information."
-"At behest of the FBI, Mr. Bulger arranged for me to meet" FBI agents.
A year passed?
Was Mr. Bulger an FBI informant?
"Yes."
-"How do you know that?"..."Because I was giving him information, and he was giving it to the FBI."
-Were you present when Whitey gave info to FBI?
"Hundreds of times."
Who?
"John Connolly, other agents."
-"Did you provide information to John Connolly?" "Yes." "Did Mr. Bulger provide information to John Connolly?" "yes."
-"Mostly Mafia information."
Who did most talking?
"Mr. Bulger...I was part of organization. I was friendly with Bulger"
-Besides Mafia? Whitey give anybody else up?
"Different people from South Boston."
Ever meet Connolly without Bulger?
"No"
-Did Whitey meet Connolly without you?
"Yes. They went on vacation together."
"He'd call Connolly at home."
-"Could you describe Mr. Bulger's personality?"
"Overbearing, forceful."
-"More overbearing than you?" "yes."..."More forceful than you?" "yes."
-You been in jail, what sentence?
"They took the death penalties off."
What serving?
"Life sentence...in Oklahoma..Florida."
-Also, an additional sentence of 30 years for guns.
-Wyshak rattles off names of 10 victims, asks Flemmi if he pled guilty to them; Flemmi says Yes 10 times
-Distributing drugs in South Boston? Yes.
Money laundering? Yes.
Obstruction of justice? Yes.
Firearms? Yes.
-Flemmi plead guilty to 10 murders: Sousa, Connors, King, Castucci, Davis, Callahan, Barrett, McIntyre, Hussey
-Pled guilty to murders of Roger Wheeler in Oklahoma and John Callahan in Florida?
Yes.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/19/13 04:41 PM
Because the defense had a miriad of rebuttal witnesses lined up against anything that Rakes would produce on the stand.
True, true. He is not the most credible witness even though most in this trial are not either
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/19/13 04:50 PM
---As jury filed out, Flemmi stood with hands on hip, mouthed "m'fer" to Bulger, who said something back as they glared, "really?" said Flemmi
---People started lining up at 1:30 am today outside to score a seat in Bulger trial; only 10 got into main room, and 310 in 4 overflow room
---Defense says wants to discuss at end of day how many witnesses they will have; government needs to pay hotel bills for out-of-town witnesses
---Flemmi, who is 58th witness in case; day 25 of Bulger trial
---Government saying they expect to rest their case in chief next week. Defense will then present a case, if it chooses to.
---Going over Stevie's guilty plea agreement.
"They were gonna put me in a wit sec program...living conditions much better than prison"
---Flemmi agrees govt would give his brother Michael, former Boston cop, leniency for moving guns for him if Michael cooperated, "he refused"
---Michael Flemmi served 10 yrs for obstruction of justice and weapons charges, is now free.
---Flemmi's plea agreements carry over to Florida, Oklahama, where he faced death penalty.
---Flemmi looking at 2001 plea agreement in 1995 racketeering case before Judge Wolf; he had to forfeit Back Bay condo, had a laundromat there
---Flemmi forfeited Back Bay parking spot and bank accounts; some profits went to families of two victims, Hussey & Davis, some to government
---Flemmi said he was a real estate broker. But then said source of funds was from criminal activity.
---Flemmi's former girlfriend, Marion Hussey (whose daughter he killed) was able to keep the Weymouth condo the feds initially moved to seize.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/19/13 04:59 PM
---Stevie began life of crime in early 1960s.
"Bookmaking and loansharking, latter part of the 50s."
Operated in Roxbury.
---Aligned himself with the Bennett brothers, Walter and Wimpy, loansharks.
"I had a bar...Wimpy was in prison. His girlfriend came in"
---"When he come out, she introduced me to him."
Frank Salemme "came on the scene later on."
"Wimpy had him on the payroll."
---In 60s, Flemmi was with loansharks, Ed "Wimpy" Bennett and his brother Walter (Flemmi later admitted killing both,and 3rd brother Billy)
---"What was your relationship with Frank Salemme?"
"Well I met him...and eventually I got involved with him in criminal activity"
---"Who was Joe Barboza?"..."A notorious criminal in Boston."....had his own gang, East Boston.
---Met George Kaufman and John and Jimmy Martorano. Knew Jerry Angiulo.
"He was the underboss of the Mafia, to Raymond Patriarca."
---Flemmi's brother Vincent "Jimmy the Bear," vicious killer, died in prison; Jerry Angiulo, Mafia underboss; Larry Baione, consigliere
---He knew Larry Baione, capo for Angiulo's crew.
In Charlestown, the McLaughlin brothers ran the show.
Punchy, Georgie. Edward "Punchy" McLauglin and brothers part of Charlestown crew at war with Somerville's McLean group, left some 60 dead in 60s
---In Somerville, Buddy McLean and Howie Winter ran the Winter Hill crew.
Barboza had Nick Femia, Chico DeMico, Tash Bratsos, etc
---Knew Paul Rico, FBI agent and friend of Wimpy Bennett from the Brinks Robbery.
Wimpy got some of the money.
Was Rico's rat.
---Flemmi identifying photo of agents Rico and Condon - wearing straw hats - escorting Mafioso Henry Tameleo to jail in 60s
---Flemmi: There was a gang war between Somerville people and Charlestown war, yeah that means they were killing each other, he says
---Gang war between Somerville and Charlestown.
Initially Stevie was with Wimpy, aligned with Charlestown.
But then went to Somerville
---Flemmi: agent Rico was friends with Somerville people so convicted Bennent to switch sides from Charlestown to Somerville crew in war
---Flemmi saying he was providing info to Rico in a "quid pro quo" arrangement. "He was giving me information about the Mafia." Rico was the one who pushed them to go with Somerville people
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/19/13 05:26 PM
---"I had a problem with the Mafia at the time," says Flemmi, who hit on a bet and was upset mob-protected bookie wouldn't pay him
---Stevie initially got info from Paul Rico.
Met Rico with Larry Baione.
"I thought I was going to get paid, $3,000 hit."
---Flemmi says bookie got arrested before placed Flemmi's bet so refused to pay him $3000 winnings; Flemmi hit Larry Baione, Mafia guy
---Stevie was so pissed he started fighting.
"I whacked Larry Baione."
A no no?
"They'll kill you eventually."
---Flemmi fistfight with guys; several days later two Mafia guys pull up at club, was shooting.
---"Several days later, Joe Russo and other Mafia guys pulled up in front of the club. Richie shot Joe."
---Stevie went to Joe Russo in the hospital and said his friend screwed up.
"It got resolved."
And Stevie got paid the number hit.
---He had to repair relations, though. "At the time I didn't care," Flemmi says
---Wimpy switched allegiances.
"Wimpy was friendly with detective, Bill Stuart, who was friendly with Paul Rico."
---Met with Buddy McLean and Howie Winter. Wimpy with Stevie.
"They convinced us we should be aligned with the Somerville people."
---Stevie went to bro Jimmy the Bear in prison.
Barboza was against Mafia.
"He told me to tell my brother to mind his own business."
---Rico asked Flemmi to go tell his brother to mind his business, a favor. He did it. Rico helped out, too, with Flemmis prob with IRS
---Stevie fixed FBI car from an accident.
Gave Rico a gun.
"He wanted to kill Georgie McLaughlin."
"I provided a throwaway gun."
---Rico gave Stevie info so they could kill Punchy McLaughlin.
Couldn't find him until Rico told them the bus he was on.
---Why Rico do this?
"He was friendly with the Bennetts. He didn't like the McLaughlins. Punchy threatened to kill Condon's brother."
---Punchy was going to Georgie's murder trial
Rico told Stevie and Salemme where
"Right on time...stepped out and shot him. Six times."
---1964, Wimpy whacked Frank Benjamin in Stevie's joint, so Stevie lit the place on fire to cover it up.
Punchy was still with them, helped. "I lit a fire in the back room and burnt the blood." There was too much blood to get rid of."
---George Ash.
Jimmy the Bear killed him.
"I helped move the body."
---Murder Stephen Muese and Sammy Landenbaum?
"I just took all the shells out of the car."
Howie Winter whacked them. Flemmi says Howie Winter killed two Charlestown guys and Flemmi and Frank Salemme "cleaned the car up"
---In 1967, did you kill Wiimpy??
Yeah. "Frankie Salemme insisted on that. His relationship with the Mafia. They didn't like Wimpy."
---The Mafia was staying out of this mostly. "They wanted (the gangs) to decimate each other."
---"I shot him."
Where?
"In the head, chuckles"
Location?
"Oh, a garage in Roxbury...Frankie, myself and George Kaufman...we disposed of him."
---Joe McDonald, Jimmy Sims, Winter Hill people, helped bury body. "They didn't like him anyway." Flemmi says they buried Bennett's body in grounds of gun club in Hopkington. (investigators dug there for days yrs ago never found remains)
---Stevie buried Wimpy wth Joe Mac and Jimmy Sims.
"They didn't like Wimpy."
Who killed Walter Bennett?
"Frankie Salemme."
---William Bennett killed, too. Bulger. "He was telling people that I was responsible and was putting a crew together in Roxbury." Billy was shot and dumped in snowbank.
---Having killed the Bennett brothers, Stevie and Frankie took over their loansharking business.
Killed Richie Grasso, too.
---Him and Salemme, "Did you take over their loansharking business?" "yes."
---Stevie and Frankie tried to kill John Fitzgerald, Joe Barboza's attorney.
Larry Baione wanted it done.
Stevie didn't want to do it.
---Stevie told FBI agent Rico, thinking it would save lawyer.
But Rico instead liked the idea.
Frankie and Larry Baione did it.
---Flemmi says Salemme and Larry Zannino planted bomb under Fitzgerald's car; it exploded when he turned ignition, tore his leg off, survived. Flemmi says he wasn't with them when they planted bomb, but was there when they practiced on another car
---Killed Tommy Timmins.
"Kinda long story. He was a bank robber, safecracker, house invader."
---Tommy made mistake of hitting house of Abe Sarkis, bookie with Larry Baione's crew.
"It was a home invasion..."
---"He was murdered, in Frankie Salemme's home."
---"They threatened his wife...Larry found out...Timmins was murdered, in Frankie's home. Steve the Greek and Red Assad beat him up."
---"We just tied him up, put him in the car, and brought him to the location where they were going to bury him." "Red Assad killed him. We brought Tommy to Frankie's home in Sharon. They met him at the house. Frankie and Larry dug a hole,"
---Flemmi says tried to find location of grave for feds, couldn't, landscape had changed
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/19/13 05:35 PM
you mus be watching the trial from twitter and fuckin howie carr play by play comments .... fuckin howie carr is not missing a word from any witnesses
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/19/13 06:24 PM
---"How many gangland slaying occurred" in 60s?. .."About 60."....only about 6, 7 related to war though. Rest for different reasons, war an excuse
---"Spike O'Toole and Stevie and Connie Hughes killed Buddy." When Buddy killed Howie took over.
Paul Rico tipped Stevie off before he could be pinched for car bombing of the lawyer.
---Rico warned him, should flee, about to be charged with Salemme. He did, first to California.
---"We ended up in California."
Also charged with killing Bennett.
Bobby Daddeco was primary witness re Bennett murder.
---Bulger was in prison -- Atlanta, Alcatraz, Lewisburg, Leavenworth -- serving time for bank robbery during much of gang wars, got out in 65
---Eventually Stevie and Frankie and Peter Poulos and Phil Waggenheim and flew to West Coast.
"Frankie insisted on" killing Poulos. So Stevie murdered Poulos, because Larry Baione thought he wouldn't stand up on murder. Stevie and Frankie had falling out in 1970.
---Stevie went to Florida for a month.
Then ended up in Montreal.
"Got to Canada around 1971."
"Went to work...four color offset press"
---Somerville crew, Howie Winter, John Martorano, Brian Halloran, went to visit him in Montreal. Brought some money to him.
---Fugitive Salemme was arrested in NYC, Flemmi says (agent John Connolly made that arrest. Salemme's brother Jackie took control of loansharking aspects. Frank, who he had split with, got arrested in NYC. 15 yrs prison
---Martorano and Winter telling him that they spoke with a key witness in his case. Was no longer going to testify.
---Stevie would call Rico at FBI office in Miami.
"He said, come back. He said the coast was clear."
Came back May of 1974.
---Flemmi returned to the old crew in Somerville. "Howie Winter was in charge."
---Prosecutors showing chart of organization of leadership in '75. Had Jimmy Sims, Joe MacDonald, Martorano, Howie Winter, Bulger, Flemmi
---"Howie Winter was the leader of that group."
Leaders?
"Jim Bulger, myself, John Martorano, Howie Winter, Joe MacDonald, Jimmy Sims."
---"So you immediately became one of the leaders of this group?" "Yes sir." Organization chart of Winter Hill Gang they led.
Bulger's crew in Southie included Jack Curran, Kevin O'Neill, Jimmy Mantville, etc.
---Bigger chart; #Bulger underlings: Curran, Ford, O'Connor; "they're all part of Jim Bugler's crew," Flemmi says. South Boston people
---New chart: Flemmi's Roxbury people: Phil Costa, he was my driver; Bobby McCarthy; Steve Puleo, John Baharoian (bookie)
---"Charlie Raso was one of our bookmakers. Tommy O'Brien, Dickie O'Brien, our agents. Joey Y, loanshark.
John Callahan was a friend...
---"Tony Ciulla was involved in race fix case. Brian Halloran was part of the Winter Hill crew. John Hurley was from Charlestown..."
---Sonny Mercurio was with Mafia, but when he in prison Johnny Martorano and Howie Winter helped him out financially, so he liked them.
---"What kind of criminal activities was this group involved in?"
"Gambling, bookmaking loansharking. Extortion."
Murders?
"Definitely murders."
---O'Toole was murdered while Stevie on lam.
"O'Toole a remnant of Charlestown crew. He shot my brother.
Came round with olive branch"
---"He wanted a pass. He wanted to be forgiven."
What did you say to Howie.
"I said kill him."
Gave submachine gun to Johnny M.
---Flemmi made arrangements to get John Martorano a machine gun, and he killed O'Toole, who was ducking behind mailbox in Savin Hill
---Bobby Labella, Stevie's friend, got gun to Johnny M.
James Sousa?
When you came back from Canada, did you kill him?
"I was present." "They were concerned about" Sousa.
He got pinched. Wouldn't stand up.
"We all agreed they wanted to kill him."
---"We all decided, because we were a group, we all decided that if anything were to be accomplished we had to agree to it. the 6 of us" Jim Bulger, Howie Winter, Johnny M, myself, Joe Mac, Jimmy Sims.
"We went out in the garage, Marshall Street,"
---So Sousa comes to the garage on Winter Hill.
"We went into the office. Johnny inthe office with Barnoski. Johnny shot him." Sousa shot in head, bleeding badly, so Stevie put a can under his head to catch the blood.
---"Took him out put him in a car, brought him to a location in Boxford. Joe and Jimmy dug a hole out there." "We dropped the body off and Howie drove me back to Medford. Then picked up Joe and Jimmy."
---Couldn't find the grave after he began cooperating.
Talked to Whitey about it
"I told him what transpired. He wasn't there that day"
---In 1969, Stevie met Whitey briefly
But when back from lam in 1974, met Whitey
"He didn't drink, didn't smoke, worked out regularly"
---About John Connolly? Bulger went to them as a group, saying Connolly approached him, wanted to meet.
---"He asked if we'd sanction it. We were always looking for sources. So we all agreed, go meet him."
---"It's always good to have connection and know what's going on. You couldn't survive."
Mafia have any?
"They had local police."
---"He said John Connolly...said the Mafia has their sources and we can help you. If they want to play checkers, we can play chess." Flemmi
---Flemmi said it was fruitful right away. He got tipped off to a loansharking investigation about him.
---Did you get information from Connolly.
"He provided information onloanshark case, in Quincy, not to go there because it was wired." "How'd you find out about him."..."#Bulger told me....he told me the place was being wired for video and sound."
---What did Whitey tell you about Paul McGonagle.
"He said he wanted to kill him...remnant from the old Mullens gang."
Asked me to help
---"He said he killed him. He didn't need me. He lured him into car, said it was counterfeit money."
"They buried him, Tenean Beach"
---"He said he shot" Donald McGonagle.
"He thought it was Paulie McGonagle."
Did he kill Donald McGonagle?
"Yes."
---Eddie Connors?
Ran Bulldogs in Savin Hill.
Friend of mine, Howie Winter.
Decided to murder him.
"He was involved in O'Toole killing"
---"Connors was a witness. Telling people he helped set it up."
Bother you.
"He's telling people our business."
Whitey decide with you.
---Flemmi said Eddie Connors was telling people he set up killing of O'Toole by Winter Hill gang, so killed him
---Connors went to phone booth to take call from Howie Winter, Flemmi and #Bulger shot him; Flemmi with carbine Bulger two barrel shotgun
---Whitey emptied both barrels, then pulled out a pistol and kept firing at Connors.
Stevie fired about six shots.
---"We just immediately left. Got in the car. Drove to Somerville."
Who drove?
"I think the three of us went back."
Disposed of guns.
---Flemmi said John Martorano drove them back to Somerville after he and #bulger ambushed Connors in Dorchester phone booth. Got rid of guns.
"Joe MacDonald would throw it in the ocean."
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/19/13 06:25 PM
you mus be watching the trial from twitter and fuckin howie carr play by play comments .... fuckin howie carr is not missing a word from any witnesses
Yea following by twitter. Do you all want me to post the rest or stop? Just helping my fellow people out! Let me know if you want the rest.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/19/13 06:36 PM
To put it in simple terms, Salemme was a Ray JR guy. It was JR Russo and Ferrara (leaders of the renegades) who forced Ray JR out so Paul figured if you eliminate the renegades, Ray JR would step back in when he was released. By this time, the blame for the bugging was coming off Ray JR and they were learning it was Mercurio the rat so Ray had a lot of supporters and allies coming back to his side. Some of that support was just people longing for the old days of Ray SR and wanting to end the turbulence.
Personally, I think Ray JR was done with the life. He was probably relieved to get out alive. He went on to be 10x more successful in the legit world than he ever was in the underworld. He was not like his father and I mean that in a good way.
So this is basically telling me that Paul D. was in fact not really a renegade but rather a Ray Jr supporter...perhaps playing both side but really hoping that when Ray got out he'd get legitimized. Good simple explanation. Thanks man.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/19/13 06:55 PM
I dont understand what your asking here caprese. I know this ray jr stepped down after grasso was clipped, I also know that salemme was backing ray jr and popped same day grasso was wacked, I know salemme had his cohorts ready for war after the renegade was indicted, thats when salemme was making his moves on bookies and clipping people so on and forth because obviously the heads of the faction was locked up so it was like unspoken take over and thats when the underlings romano,ciampi,gigi etc from eastie got permission from carrozza to start it back up and take over the bookies and everything salemme got control based on him backing of ray jr anf taking control of the family without the real power saying its ok. With that being said it was more like salemme wasnt respected and took control of whats left from various of indictments of some real powerhouses. And the people that was left wasnt ready for war, the law just came in hard so why get exposed rather stay low and make some bread. Thats why it was bunch of young punks trying to make a name, Yea they was young but had some big balls and idk if it was because they was high on junk or to fuckin smacked to realize how to do anything but it sure wasnt taking over bookies or sports operations or gambling homes and protecting legal business or extortion or even white collar crime as real estate, constructioin nothing but drugs and shooting people that was salemme loyalist and salemme was a ray jr loyalist and salemme took control of whats left and thats what the whole war started over, was to take over and make it back how ray sr had for thirty semi years but it didnt happen for the late great ruzzo, bianco, and ferrara and carrozza because of legal issues. and beleive me if it wasnt for that everyone knows but anyone who knows somebody or something knows salemme and his whole support system didnt have a chance. the faction was too strong and had alot of killers and backing from biago, spucky, carmen tortora gambale, isabella, the providence guys pretty matt, manoccchio with his alliance to bianco and veto deluca and his slient partnership with biago going back to the old country, white and the lists goes on. the only real backing salemme had was sonny rizzo and cue ball and they wasnt going to make a move becuase they would get hit in a minute so that backing was shaky to say the least. so idk where thand there backing wast as strong. Rossetti's, prochilio jr, luisi was young punks as well, very capable, but a nobody, floramo with bobby deluca and salemme brother was the only figures on that side so it was as lopsided as it gets IF it wasnt for the legal issues becuase damn near everyone got canned, EVERYONE. IDK where the luchesse come from because it was russo who went to gotti and got the permission so if anything it was gambino's who supported the faction because if luchesse supported ray jr where was the support? Where was the extra men to win the war or even verbal backing so he wouldnt step down in the first place? And as for paul he wasnt even a turd during this, if it wasnt for the junk and the business with gigi and what not over junk and paulie switchig cocks just for his name to known and get connected we would be like, who is paul decolgero!!!
Thanks for the reply joerusso. All i know is that Paul was having some New York guys coming out to the gym. I don't know if they were there to make plans or to drain his pockets but the word was they were NY lcn. I say Lucchesse because of Silvermans book. This could be complete bs though from Marks part...but it does jive with my own experience and the rumblings that were going on at Paulie Boys back in 95. Bags upon bags of were coming into the place... It actually confuses me hearing that they were stolen from gigi cuz I thought Paul was a renegade along with gigi. But Paul always spoke about Ray getting out and things were going to be set straight...Maybe it was all just wishful thinking on Pauls part. Maybe he got his in through the renegades and was just building cash in hopes of buying his button and making cash the only way he knew how... But I know Pauls heart was not in the drugs....He wanted to build his gym and he wanted to build his protein muffin company (i've tried them they were good)...
It's actually too bad that the North End guys were snobby with him. No disrespect to you as I respect you and the NE very much.... But if they gave Paul a chance, so he wasn't forced to sell coke . coke was his drug of choice to sell, the smack thing is a myth. In fact when he bought smack it was for purposes of Od'ing people to dispose of them easily, he'd get it from street dealers in Lawrence....
Anyways getting off point here. But ya, if the NE guys gave him a chance to do traditional LCN money making things along with his gym and muffin business he'd of stopped selling that shit. They would've had a serious old school, omerta to the death, serious man of honor right there. He could have been some serious muscle and a huge earner...Not like the rats that are 90% of the family. ... And his only hope was to shower Ray jr. with loyalty , money and guns...He had serious old school lcn written all over him. That's all a can say about Paul.. I know how you feel and respect that though.
Posted By: Tony_Pro
Re: boston - 07/19/13 11:27 PM
Thanks for the info about Strippo Bennie and all, sounds like the guy had people waiting in line to off him.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/20/13 01:41 PM
I agree with caprese, if Paul was given a chance by the North End guys he would've brought millions of dollars into the coffers of the boston mob and so fuckin what he sold coke. most if not all top guys profit from drug sales that's a known fact. he was a huge trafficker, loanshark/bookie, owned a restraunt( Deco's), gym, and now he's doing life for a murder that he kept his mouth shut about among everything else he was charged with. His resume fits the bill for what the mob is all about, and in the end like I said, not a fucking peep outta this "wannabe".
DIXIEMAFIA - I definitely would like to see the transcripts. If nobody else does you could PM them to me, but otherwise right here on the thread is cool. Thanks
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 07/20/13 03:59 PM
Southend, just Google Howie Carr Twitter and you can read them there
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/20/13 04:21 PM
Here you go southend, here is the link I get them from. It's from the Boston Globe who have 3 there live tweeting. You can go back in the pages from the start of the trial I do believe. I generally read them each day that there is an interesting witness (especially read up after Kevin Weeks testified and of course Martorano and Flemmi)
http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_Whitey_Bulger_trialPS-I love Boston, was up there during Hurricane Sandy (as well as Long Island) and the snowstorm in February helping get the lights back on. I love the North even though I had never been up that way before. My Grandmother was actually from Camden NJ but never knew her or been up there either (don't really plan to visit Camden these days....lol)
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/21/13 10:38 PM
I agree with caprese, if Paul was given a chance by the North End guys he would've brought millions of dollars into the coffers of the boston mob and so fuckin what he sold coke. most if not all top guys profit from drug sales that's a known fact. he was a huge trafficker, loanshark/bookie, owned a restraunt( Deco's), gym, and now he's doing life for a murder that he kept his mouth shut about among everything else he was charged with. His resume fits the bill for what the mob is all about, and in the end like I said, not a fucking peep outta this "wannabe".
DIXIEMAFIA - I definitely would like to see the transcripts. If nobody else does you could PM them to me, but otherwise right here on the thread is cool. Thanks
Yup. Paul was more real than the real guys at that time. He was extremely old school. He even had the attention of the made guys and was feared by them. You can say what you will about the DC crew but they were tough and rough and weren't afraid to kick in a feared and respected drug dealers door, beat the piss out of him and all his friends and tie em all up and jack all their shit. Kind of cowboy and not the best approach but they were scary and had balls of steel. Quite, unheard of from a "wannabe"... I personally think their was something more to him than most say. I firmly believe that if all worked out, there would have been a push to get him made as soon as the jailed bosses got out. But the sweeping indictments crippled the lcn and left the power to turds like the rosetti, deluca, the cheeseman etc.
Posted By: artichoke
Re: boston - 07/22/13 12:14 PM
Agreed
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/22/13 04:40 PM
Just started reading today and it's already getting interesting, Flemmi called Debra Davis brother a drug addicted informant, then her brother gets up and says "you're a f*cking liar". Flemmi then apologized and said he had the wrong Davis brother. smh
Posted By: Scorsese
Re: boston - 07/22/13 05:14 PM
Yup. Paul was more real than the real guys at that time. He was extremely old school. He even had the attention of the made guys and was feared by them. You can say what you will about the DC crew but they were tough and rough and weren't afraid to kick in a feared and respected drug dealers door, beat the piss out of him and all his friends and tie em all up and jack all their shit. Kind of cowboy and not the best approach but they were scary and had balls of steel. Quite, unheard of from a "wannabe"... I personally think their was something more to him than most say. I firmly believe that if all worked out, there would have been a push to get him made as soon as the jailed bosses got out. But the sweeping indictments crippled the lcn and left the power to turds like the rosetti, deluca, the cheeseman etc.
I dont know much about boston lcn, but robbing drug dealers can bring alot of heat and retaliation, if your a middle aged mob boss of a small family would you really want to keep a guy like that around especially if he's apart of your group, and the people he robs are gonna see it that way too ,eventually someones bound to fire back and they might just decide if they cant get him they can just go for anyone in the family. Considering the fact that you know he robbed a drug dealer im assuming he wanted people to know it was him and as a pretty large scale drug dealer he could bring alot of beefs with him into a family that at the time was weakened and getting over a war(if my timeline correct).
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/22/13 06:41 PM
Oh, I certainly agree and I think this aspect of his business is what brought him down. It is very stupid and cowboy. I was just trying to demonstrate a point that he was fearless and was willing to do whatever it took to build up this war chest and financial backing for Ray. This is the only reason why he didi this, just for Ray. Yes it was stupid and this brings me back to my point which is if he was able to get in with the North End guys who turned their nose up at him he could'v been one heck of an enforcer and earner with more traditional LCN things. I don't want to speak for the guy but I know that this is not how he permanently wanted to operate. He wanted to do this for a few more years tops and then hopefully get mad. It was stupid, it did bring heat and led to the death of a poor girl.. Like I said before, Paul made some dumb choices. It didn't work out for him though as he rots in the can forever.
Posted By: Skinny
Re: boston - 07/22/13 09:05 PM
THATS THE NEW GENERATION OF THESE GUYS! The youngest guys that get on with these crews are all cowboys or somebodys son/nephew... Even westside crews.. They may seem to have a real eye for talent, but not every crew runs the same.. Most are motivated by greed, they like a young kid who can shoot. Most crews will do their best to tame guys like that down once they are under their flag. Bodybuilder guys, drug dealers, stick up crews.... its how younger guys make money these days unless they are schooled
A bunch of home invasion/dealer guys around a lot of those crews in belleville, kearny, rutherford, lyndhurst even nice nhoods, nutley, parsippany, montclair, livingston.... about half of italians live in the suburbs now.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 07/23/13 04:28 PM
i agree with skinny highly unless their schooled or just old school by nature which is few to none then they are fueled by drugs and etc. As far as im concerned they are the first thats needs to be clipped junkies if you deal, use whatever because 99.9 of them is ging to rat esp the junkies users so if it was my choice we would have fuckin drug tests in the fuckin clubs once a week random testing like a fuckin p.o.
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 07/23/13 06:39 PM
Just finished reading The Animal, and now half way through Vinny Teresa's book, my life in the mafia.. Both books talk about the Ferrara-Rossetti wire service out of eastie as being one of the biggest in the country during the 50s and 60s. Anyone know more about this or if there is any relation to those living in the area today? Found an old paper in the link below that talks about it during the McClellan hearings.. enjoy!
http://news.google.com/newspapers
Roman, how was "the Animal"? I was considering reading that next. It's between that and "the Rifleman".
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 07/24/13 12:53 PM
both great reads. The animal was more entertaining. the rifleman is basically a publication of his statements to the government, with many names blacked out which makes it hard to follow at times. lots of great pictures though!
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/24/13 04:22 PM
The Rifleman sure has been getting eaten up in cross the past day or so. This trial shows how sick some of these guys were/are.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 07/24/13 04:37 PM
It's been an interesting week for Pat Nee. First Flemmi fingers him as the mystery second gunman in the back seat of the Halloran hit and Donahue murder, then the Discovery channel comes out with this new reality show where he is a leader in a 'crew' operating out of Southie. I have no idea how such a show on illegal activity could possibly work?? If I were the Donahue family, I'd be pretty pissed off right now. The guy who most likely took part in their Dad's wrong place at wrong time murder is about to make some money on TV because he spent his life as a thug.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013...ey-bulger-trial
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 07/24/13 05:04 PM
How can they make a "reality" show about that? Is there is even any truth to it? and if there is, why would he agree to a show? makes no sense. But very interesting if he's still active. I wonder if that crew knows anything about the deceased bulger witness...
Speaking of which... some hysterical news coverage about missing bulger witnesses...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/everyone-in-whitey-bulger-trial-found-dead-in-wood
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 07/24/13 05:07 PM
Nee has always been rumored to have been the mystery shooter. As for operating a crew, he always has been and never stopped.
Posted By: Tony_Pro
Re: boston - 07/25/13 01:10 AM
Yeah, Nee was pretty clear in his book that he didn't regret anything at all except not killing Bulger when he had a chance, not surprised if he went back at it. Nee's already gotten away with one attempted murder, why not the full deal? The reality show thing is flat-out bizarre unless it's a complete fake set-up.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/25/13 01:56 AM
Yea the show is real, but they already said some things would be "re-enacted" so it will be like the Amish Mafia crap they showed earlier this year or last year.
Whitey's lawyer wants to subpoena Nee and make him appear, and the prosecutors said Nee could still face charges (even though they act like it wont happen). It is expected he would plead the 5th though if he shows up but the judge acted like "something" would happen before hand to stop that (I say he gets immunity, but the Feds acted like they would not give him immunity)
What I want to know is what does Nee have on the state or gov't for him to NOT be hit with murder charges yet? If the jury believe ANYTHING Flemmi or Weeks said in court they definitely have a case right now.
I would love to see Née get jammed up. He's a real POS and he deserves it.
Just finished reading The Animal, and now half way through Vinny Teresa's book, my life in the mafia.. Both books talk about the Ferrara-Rossetti wire service out of eastie as being one of the biggest in the country during the 50s and 60s. Anyone know more about this or if there is any relation to those living in the area today? Found an old paper in the link below that talks about it during the McClellan hearings.. enjoy!
http://news.google.com/newspapers 40 year old news story on the animal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvlhcUHVk64
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/25/13 05:36 PM
Flemmi finally done, defense wants to recall Martorano, also wants to bring Nee forward whose lawyer has already sent word to prosecutors he will plead the 5th. Prosecutors will not give immunity.
Crazy times. Nee could be in trouble very soon.
Posted By: Tony_Pro
Re: boston - 07/25/13 05:51 PM
And I thought this trial was going to be pretty boring since after all of the revelations of last 15 years; what other secrets were there to learn? What roller-coaster ride.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 07/25/13 07:54 PM
Actually, I think it has been boring except for the occasional outburst between a witness and whitey.
I think this is the only trial in history where not a single piece of evidence has been shown except for the testimony of fellow rats...
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/26/13 05:10 PM
Yea not much new from what was known other than Pat Nee being fingered by two witnesses now (Flemmi said it was him, Weeks said he thought it was him). I forget most of Martorano's testimony though. So the Nee stuff is probably the most interesting so far other than azguy said, the typical "fuck you" from Weeks and Flemmi to Whitey, and "you're a fucking liar" from Davis to Flemmi.
Flemmi sounded like a complete idiot in his testimony, Weeks pretty much nailed it. Flemmi stumbled in cross, had about 5 different testimonies in 5 different trials, even claimed he forgot about "this and that" on important issues especially about strangling Davis. Even though most of his testimony was probably true, in the eyes of the jury he is probably discredited.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 07/26/13 07:21 PM
I'm not saying Whitey should go free, but what single piece of evidence do they have on him except of testimony of rats and fellow criminals...??
This while thing has been very anticlimactic..IMHO
Plus, someone killed Stippo Rakes, is that going to be just pushed under the carpet..
I'm not saying Whitey should go free, but what single piece of evidence do they have on him except of testimony of rats and fellow criminals...??
This while thing has been very anticlimactic..IMHO
Plus, someone killed Stippo Rakes, is that going to be just pushed under the carpet..
Even if they can't prove any of the murder charges, there is enough extortion charges against him (that have been told by completely straight victims) to put him away for life. Furthermore, if all that fails, he admitted to the CA FBI that all the guns and money found in Santa Monica were his. Just the gun charges alone in the state of CA are enough to put him away for life. There is absolutely NO WAY he walks the streets a free man ever again. If he lived another 100 years, he'll never be free.
Furthermore, Weeks and Martorano were rock solid and their stories have never changed. There wasn't much if any damage done during cross examination of those two. I agree that Flemmi was a disaster but if he dropped dead a day before the trial they could easily get a conviction without him.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/26/13 09:52 PM
Yep I'm with LF on this, there are enough charges OTHER than murder that they have Whitey on. He can still claim they were ok'd by being informants, but of course Whitey is claiming he was never one so he wouldn't have any protection. So just an extortion charge would be a death penalty for him anyways. LF also nailed it that Weeks and Martorano were rock solid even though Carney wants to recall Martorano (I haven't read the coverage today yet) to try to discredit someone (I think Flemmi but it actually could be Martorano). But O'Neill nailed it as well, so there is enough to say good night for Whitey.
Yea I was surprised they threw Flemmi up there in that shape. He absolutely bombed in cross. I thought he would hold up better than that but Carney made him out to look like a pedophile maniac in which that is what he is. But to me, Weeks should have been the "star witness" as he held up against all they could throw at him and then some (as well as Martorano). Neither stumbled and goofed like Flemmi.
I'm still waiting to hear more on Stippo too. I'm surprised it's been "this quiet" so far on him.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/26/13 10:06 PM
Here are today's highlights:
Both sides say this could go to jury next week "IF" Whitey doesn't testify. With a lot of the defense witnesses being taken off, this could mean Whitey would have to testify and that would be classic and deluded at the same time I imagine.
Monday: FBI Agents-Crawford, Cronin Davis, Joe Kelly, Todd Richards, Jim Siracusa. Then Marion Hussey and Heather Kaufman possibly if done in time.
Tuesday: Dan Doherty, Steve Johnson, Seideropolis, Pat Nee, Bob Fitzpatrick and Martorano.
Carney said they would let the judge know by then if Whitey takes the stand or not.
They are calling Martorano back to discredit Flemmi, which to me is a waste of time considering how bad he looked to begin with. They want him to say Flemmi told him that "he accidentally strangled Davis". Also the Government rested their case today.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/26/13 10:17 PM
And one more thing, Whitey is NOT charged with the guns and fake ID's in California yet. I imagine it would come later if he got a light sentence which I don't see anyways. This would easily bury him for life but not sure they are going to bother if he's convicted in Boston.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 07/27/13 02:57 PM
I wanna hear that Tommy Donohue comes into the courtroom one of these days and shoots bulger in the face
I wanna hear that Tommy Donohue comes into the courtroom one of these days and shoots bulger, Nee, Flemmi, Weeks and Martorano in the face
I fixed it for you.
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 07/27/13 05:46 PM
yaeh tommy guy likes being on ch.4,5,7,10 every friggin day at 12,4,5,6pm wanting justice or his 15mins. his accent is bad. friggin is a boston word swear ta garwd. wonder how guy makes a living who can go to court for the whole summer while not being a lawyer or defendant. its wrong they threw out his fathers wrongfull death suit. fbi plays by there own rules up here. wyshaks a weasel. guy really wanted to put whiteys brother billy next to him just to get some more national headlines. wyshak was down in nyc busting up gotti guys in the 80tys wonder why he came back up here.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 07/27/13 10:55 PM
I wanna hear that Tommy Donohue comes into the courtroom one of these days and shoots bulger, Nee, Flemmi, Weeks and Martorano in the face
I fixed it for you.
Ouch.....lol
Posted By: SonnyF
Re: boston - 07/31/13 11:33 PM
Does anyone know anything about Mr. Ferranto (NOT Ferrara), who has been dead for a few years now?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/01/13 01:25 PM
no
Does anyone know anything about Mr. Ferranto (NOT Ferrara), who has been dead for a few years now?
Never heard the name before.
Posted By: TonyBoy117
Re: boston - 08/01/13 03:08 PM
THATS THE NEW GENERATION OF THESE GUYS! The youngest guys that get on with these crews are all cowboys or somebodys son/nephew... Even westside crews.. They may seem to have a real eye for talent, but not every crew runs the same.. Most are motivated by greed, they like a young kid who can shoot. Most crews will do their best to tame guys like that down once they are under their flag. Bodybuilder guys, drug dealers, stick up crews.... its how younger guys make money these days unless they are schooled
A bunch of home invasion/dealer guys around a lot of those crews in belleville, kearny, rutherford, lyndhurst even nice nhoods, nutley, parsippany, montclair, livingston.... about half of italians live in the suburbs now.
One of the best posts I've seen in a while
Posted By: SonnyF
Re: boston - 08/01/13 03:08 PM
Thanks guys. Someone in town was bragging about their connections at the bar, and how their dad was this guy in that crew, etc. and I thought he was full of hot air. Lots of that going around Boston, huh?
Posted By: Tony_Pro
Re: boston - 08/02/13 08:11 PM
William Camuti charged in "Strippo" Rakes death. He allegedly laced Rake's iced coffee with cyanide and drove him around as the guy died. Not heard of this guy connected to anything OC, the report says there is a guy with the same name who went in for a mail fraud conviction in the 1990s. Apparently it was over a debt.
http://www.businessinsider.com/william-camuti-suspect-arrested-in-death-2013-8
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 08/02/13 11:48 PM
Was going to post about Stippo but you beat me to it TP.
And on Whitey he decided today he would NOT testify. End of the fun! Closing arguments start Monday.
Posted By: Tony_Pro
Re: boston - 08/03/13 03:48 AM
I guess this will make us all think twice whenever a friend says "hey, let's go down to McDonalds for some iced coffee"
It'll be interesting if Bugler ever cooperates on a book while in the can. I don't think he will, his own ego loves the "myth of Whitey" too much, he'll want to keep people guessing. If he does, it will only to deny ratting and the pedophilia rumors.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 08/03/13 05:22 PM
I read this morning that he was working on his "memoirs" in Santa Monica before he was caught and it was confiscated. I wonder if he'd get those back and do something with it? I'm sure it was filled with b.s. anyways.
And on Stippo no shit man, that's crazy to think folks are doing stuff like that these days!
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 08/03/13 05:36 PM
This William Camuti probably thought attention/blame would be on the trial and someone involved in that and not him.
Idiot, his number was probably the last one on Stippo's phone.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 08/03/13 06:21 PM
This William Camuti probably thought attention/blame would be on the trial and someone involved in that and not him.
Idiot, his number was probably the last one on Stippo's phone.
Yea he didn't think this one out too well. His first mistake was leaving the body where he did, and leaving Stippo's van where it was too. I think it was left at the same fast food joint that he got Stippo's frozen coffee from too. smh!
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/10/13 06:23 PM
russo face it, they were all criminals and wiseguys... just cause someone has a greasy last name dont make them no differrent from the next guy... matter of fact i know without a doubt that guys from eastie and the north end arent 100 percent italian... and no one cares if your have family ties... we all are connected, someof us on every side of family
. irish, italian, jewish, greek, portuguese, polish.... that shit dont matter anymore!!! the old ways have been dead LA FAKE NOSTRA. AND YOU and i both know alot of those guys would never pull the trigger... russo carozza and ferara were eastie guys to be respectedbut there long gone.... and it dont matter either eastie, southie, north end, charlestown, revere everett, malden, medford, somerville, woburn, burlington, saugus, lowell, worcester, springfield, lawrence, fall iver, new bedford, taunton, south shore north shore west mass it just dont matter anymoree because its been dead fro some time..... theses days the most succesful gambling rings are ran out of places like beverly saugus, burlington woburn..... so whats ya piont
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/10/13 06:27 PM
Not only do hispanic/asian/black gangs and bikers run th emost drugs and hookers....... BUT lets face it immigrants and yuppies took over all of our old nieghborhoods and there aint no going back... especially eastie.... it is th emost fowel smelling nieghborhood in 617.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/10/13 06:30 PM
and thats y bookies and loansharks use black guys and non italians there better debt collectors... the italians in the north end and eastie were using hells angels to collect debts long ago.... GET REAL RUSSO, we all got connections.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/10/13 07:22 PM
most of the drugs in eastie, chelsea and somerville are ran by MS 13
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 08/10/13 08:42 PM
Yea drugs are ran by junkie fucks like you get real i show you real and who is really connected anytime anyplace in town we meet and see who is connected or whatever fucking point you trying to make kid now come respectedvor dont come at all you smart ass fuck.and honestly no one unless its a.fake gangster wannabe has junkie bikers collect anything unless they are wannabes and have no crew everyone who is a somebody has a crew made guys connected guys for whatever they are needed. You claim you know people that your connected who you know, who are you relsyed too, who will do for you WHO WILL VOUCH FOR YOU my friend because me I can have damn near the whole fuckin who is who back me up vouch for me whatever kid so slow on your backmouthing before we have to meet and slow it down for you because im far from your average mob groupie or online thug so we both talked the talk but i can walk the walk can you ????
Posted By: bobbytran
Re: boston - 08/10/13 08:43 PM
COME HEAVY OR DON'T COME AT ALL
Posted By: Caemine718
Re: boston - 08/10/13 09:27 PM
Russo you got any work?
Posted By: Dellacroce
Re: boston - 08/10/13 09:45 PM
^^^ did u mean for ur name to be carmine and you just spelled wrong or what?? Sorry for the random question but it was bothering me.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 08/10/13 09:49 PM
Yea drugs are ran by junkie fucks like you get real i show you real and who is really connected anytime anyplace in town we meet and see who is connected or whatever fucking point you trying to make kid now come respectedvor dont come at all you smart ass fuck.and honestly no one unless its a.fake gangster wannabe has junkie bikers collect anything unless they are wannabes and have no crew everyone who is a somebody has a crew made guys connected guys for whatever they are needed. You claim you know people that your connected who you know, who are you relsyed too, who will do for you WHO WILL VOUCH FOR YOU my friend because me I can have damn near the whole fuckin who is who back me up vouch for me whatever kid so slow on your backmouthing before we have to meet and slow it down for you because im far from your average mob groupie or online thug so we both talked the talk but i can walk the walk can you ????
C'mon Joe be easy!
Next snowstorm that hits up in Boston you going to show me the good joints to eat at?? I'm being serious by the way. I want to see the "real" Boston. Only have a few hours per trip though!
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/10/13 11:36 PM
your a fucki9ng joke, stop trying to brag on the internet that your related to carozza and russo.. they were guys to be respected but there gone... i will rip you a new asshoole boy. and who the fuck tells people who there connected to over the internet, not fro nothing the guys i know have been mentioned on this site but no one will utter there names and its the internet.. that is fact. stop living of russo and carozzas legacy and make your own bitch boy... hahaa your a putz. and from what people say its yous are the ones doing junk.... and this is it i aint guna piss and moan on the internet kid...
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/10/13 11:40 PM
now if your done pissing and moaning like a fucking bitch id like to get your input on some of the younger guys?
mike prochillo
darin bufalino
gene giangrande
billy angelesco
lou pepe
john scarpelli
sal marino
mike prochillo SR.
vinny federico
greg costa
Posted By: SC
Re: boston - 08/10/13 11:41 PM
Take it to the sandbox and keep it off the boards!!
Posted By: Dellacroce
Re: boston - 08/10/13 11:44 PM
Internet beefs r so gangsta
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/10/13 11:44 PM
no i agree, aint guna piss and moan on the internet. dude can hide behind the russo carozza name all he wants... needs to do his own dirt.
Posted By: Giancarlo
Re: boston - 08/10/13 11:47 PM
^^^ did u mean for ur name to be carmine and you just spelled wrong or what?? Sorry for the random question but it was bothering me.
I was going to ask him the same question when i first saw it.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/10/13 11:48 PM
your wrong kid new town. mishawum and somerville havent been prodimently white since the 90's... recent herion and coke bust there netted a huge ring of spanish and black gang members. they all got kicked out of public housing for good.
Posted By: carmela
Re: boston - 08/10/13 11:51 PM
^^^ did u mean for ur name to be carmine and you just spelled wrong or what?? Sorry for the random question but it was bothering me.
I was going to ask him the same question when i first saw it.
you're the last one to question names, Kev.
Posted By: bobbytran
Re: boston - 08/10/13 11:57 PM
I will fight anyone who steps to me i don't give a fuck.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/10/13 11:59 PM
striaght up, and thats how it should be with everyone.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/11/13 12:33 AM
in my opinion limone is top dog.. did thirty years fro something he didnt do and was released been back in action ever since. howie winter was just arrested agian for trying to shake down a real estate guy... they tried to dhake him down at the medford sons of italy..... and not for nothing meffboston... you reek of medfid even if your name wasnt that i would of known hahaa
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/11/13 02:19 AM
ceaser angulio has never been a part of things hes just the son of danny anguilo?? the dinunzios do run the cheese shop and its pretty much the place to go see the cheesman dinunzio... guy wieghs close to 400 pounds... the dnunzios werent welcome in boston until the 90's they were in vegas doing things for the chicago family... dinunzios owed jerry anguilo alot of money in the early80's but it was excused and they were allowed o come back to boston in the 90's.. dinunzios grew up in eastie.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 08/11/13 03:14 AM
Hey mr know it all ask anyone here.i never said i was related to russo or carrozza, never mentioned my pop or uncles name never so get your facts together before u start running your mouth and we can do this like men give me a place and time kid and we can meet at the sandbox fuck what you heard....
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 08/11/13 03:22 AM
And me off the junk in your sisters [BadWord] only junk im into ..i dont condone or do drugs ...whatever people do.thats their business just keep thst shit away from me weed i can accept but even that theres a limit so keep ur fake boston ass comments to ur north shore junkie world kid
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/11/13 05:33 PM
now if your done pissing and moaning like a fucking bitch id like to get your input on some of the younger guys?
mike prochillo
darin bufalino
gene giangrande
billy angelesco
lou pepe
john scarpelli
sal marino
mike prochillo SR.
vinny federico
That's funny to see Lou Pepe's name on your list there. Pep is a great friend of mine he sure does know practically everyone, because he's a degenerate gambler and he has owed them all money at atleast one time lol. He introduced me to Billy A while we were at Concord it must've been early 2008, the two are good friends. But Lou is not a mob player exactly, just a guy who knows all the guys, Biaggio loves him his sons used to come visit him. Lou is also how I became friends with Anthony Barry for some time. Like I said Lou knows everyone, and everyone knows Lou. Great guy, wild personality(he's fuckin nuts), really loyal friend. If he could just manage to get people to take him more serious, like I said he's out of his mind, but Lou's no mobster to answer the question
and he's not too young he's in his early 40's
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/11/13 07:12 PM
southend you definetley got some local knowledge... thats the first time ive heard some one drop the beav's name. need to ask ya are AB, BC, GG, AND BA still friendly?? probally not but i was curious. there was all that stuff that happene din the 90's- early 00's. and lets face it the other 2 got a raw deal. scarpelli and marino were making big $ with that junk before 2003.... dont know too much about federico, prochillo jr and sr., and bufalino there eastie guys if i aint mistaken.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/11/13 07:30 PM
guys like the beav and gigi did thier own thing..... and a bunch of people say that about billy smoking crack and shit.. and gg doing junk.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/12/13 05:28 AM
herd baggio came here from italy.... theres another digiacomo family in the boston area not sure if hes related but there a bunch of creeps.. one was a vice principal who raped abunch of studnents and the other was a politician that would film women in there bathrooms, in osme of his rental properties.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 08/12/13 05:02 PM
herd baggio came here from italy.... theres another digiacomo family in the boston area not sure if hes related but there a bunch of creeps.. one was a vice principal who raped abunch of studnents and the other was a politician that would film women in there bathrooms, in osme of his rental properties.
I read he was made in Italy. He was from one Mafia family, his wife from another. A war broke out between the two families which made things 'awkward' so they got out of Dodge. Pretty sure he's out of the game. He never pops up in the news or anywhere else. His restaurant in excellent.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 08/12/13 06:32 PM
Rat bulger guilty
Posted By: Giancarlo
Re: boston - 08/12/13 06:40 PM
Yep, Whitey found guilty on i think just about everything.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/...conspiracy?lite
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 08/12/13 08:41 PM
They actually found him guilty on 11 of the 19 murders. They said the prosection did 'not prove' he did seven and they had 'no finding' on the Debbie Davis murder. Kind of tough for those families who wanted closure. But he's where he belongs. Michael Donahue's son called out Pat Nee afterwards.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 08/12/13 10:44 PM
Michael Donahue's son called out Pat Nee afterwards.
Yep he better keep that Discovery Channel money or he'll be filming "Saint Hoods, The Prison Files". I would be VERY surprised if they don't go after him.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 08/13/13 02:33 PM
Nee will be fine, the show is 100% fictional....
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/13/13 03:14 PM
southend you definetley got some local knowledge... thats the first time ive heard some one drop the beav's name. need to ask ya are AB, BC, GG, AND BA still friendly?? probally not but i was curious. there was all that stuff that happene din the 90's- early 00's. and lets face it the other 2 got a raw deal. scarpelli and marino were making big $ with that junk before 2003.... dont know too much about federico, prochillo jr and sr., and bufalino there eastie guys if i aint mistaken.
I've never talked to AB about BC, but I believe they aren't friends anymore. "Cahill's busy sucking cock in Old Colony" -Pep. I'd imagine Beav feels the same way. And Beav is absolutely in no way on good terms with Angelesco. It's long been rumored around the prison system that Anthony, through lawyers, tried getting Angelesco to come to court to admit to pulling the trigger in the Mucka murder. So some people call him a rat for that which is why I've never brought this up on the board til now because well fuck it. And Biaggio I doubt he's real active these days but back in '08 two different guys had told me he was the one making guys. That probably means he's presided over atleast one ceremony I would think, and obviously it'd have been yeas ago from now.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/13/13 03:18 PM
yeah i rememberpeole saying tha his brother micheal barry went to limone and tryed to get limone and the other old timers to throw angelesco under the bus... cause billy was clipping randoms.. they said micheal barry was went to limone and asked about using gene and bilys name in the beavs appeal.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 08/13/13 04:40 PM
Nee will be fine, the show is 100% fictional....
Not talking about the show, talking about testimony in a federal court about him participating in a murder.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 08/13/13 04:47 PM
And Biaggio I doubt he's real active these days but back in '08 two different guys had told me he was the one making guys. That probably means he's presided over atleast one ceremony I would think, and obviously it'd have been yeas ago from now.
Really, in 2008, you think he was making guys....??? Wow, that's amazing if true....That's only 5 years ago...
I love you posts and comments, you seem to be the only NE guy that has any current information on anything
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/13/13 04:55 PM
Yeah he's prob the one who made billy angelesco and greg costa.... there really reaching for talent these days... surprised giangrande hasnt been made hes actually itlaian unlike angeleso and costa.. giangrande is 100 percent italian blly and greg are not...i doubt after angelesco, giangrande, costa, prochillo, bufalino, federico are in there old age there will be no one in the next generation that wants any part of that fake shit. possibly scarpelli and marino.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/16/13 09:53 PM
not for nothing but i hear alot of shit about those irish guys from southie doing gay shit in jionts federal and state... would of never thought... ive been told hogans, billy and georgie from southie engaged in gay activities while in federal prison.... fucking gross. alot of these toughguys end up being gay would of never thought.
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/17/13 02:02 AM
Fuck the southie irish, everyone thinks those r the real Winter Hill guys, but if you really know ur shit, you know where the hill started and who were the true gangsters and not refer to Southie when speaking about Winter Hill like everyone does.
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/17/13 02:17 AM
Yea southend those rumors are true, back in 2000 around the time of the Devito murder, there was a 2 page write up about how barry tried to get Limone and Dinunzio to go against billy cause the strip club hit wasn't sanctioned. They told AB to beat it and then he tried saying billy was the one who did Mucka.
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/17/13 02:36 AM
But who really knows the truth to all that you know, only the ones involved can say what the real story is.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/17/13 06:59 AM
check my other post for some knowledge ville, even in the 60's winter hill was made up off guys from all over mass, they were jus guys who werent with that ginny crap... they rfom all niehborhoods around mass, and were of all decent jewish irish, portuguese, italian greek armenian polish german... howie einter himself admits he is A MUTT, quarter irish quarter english a quarter german adn a quarter italian. IN the 60's and 70's LCN was almost only mad eup off guys from NORTH END EAST BOSTON REVERE MEDFORD PROVIDENCE... THE 5 NIEGHBORHOODS IN NEW ENGLAND OOZING WITH MARINARA SAUCE.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/17/13 07:04 AM
THERE EVEN SOME MEMBERS IN THE 60'S OF NORTH AFRICAN DECENT MOSTLY LEBANESE GUYS FROM THE BOSTONS SOUTH END NIEGHBORHOOD WHICH WAS AND STILL I A ROUGH NIEGHBORHOOD. MOSTLY JEWISH BACK THEN.. BUT NOW ITS WHERE ALL THE JUNKIES HANG OUT... MATHEDONE CLINICS EVERYWHERE. SEEN A BOSTON COP GETTING A BLOWJOB FROM A JUNKIE IN HIS UNIFORM. MATARANO HAD HIS HEAQURTER THERE HENCE THE BASIN STREET BUTCHER.. THERE WAS ALSO THOSE 2 JEWISH BOOKIES AT HELLERS CAFE.....
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/17/13 07:06 AM
AND TO YOUR SURPRISE VILLE... THE TOP WINTER HILL BOOKIE THESE DAYS IS A GUY WHO CAME UP UNDER JOHN MARTARANO HIS NAME IS... JOEY YERARDI AND HE GREW UP IN NEWTON OFF ALL PLACES...JUST LIKE ORIGINAL MEMBER SIMMS GREW UP IN BELMONT/CAMBRIDGE. PAUL WALKER HAS BEEN THE TOP CAMBRIDGE GUY SINCE THE 70'S YOU CAN ASK YOUR BROTHER IN LAW THAT.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/17/13 01:33 PM
And Biaggio I doubt he's real active these days but back in '08 two different guys had told me he was the one making guys. That probably means he's presided over atleast one ceremony I would think, and obviously it'd have been yeas ago from now.
Really, in 2008, you think he was making guys....??? Wow, that's amazing if true....That's only 5 years ago...
I love you posts and comments, you seem to be the only NE guy that has any current information on anything
No no, what I was saying is that at the time I was told this, it was in 2008. The ceremony(s) in question I have no idea when they took place
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/17/13 01:37 PM
Yeah he's prob the one who made billy angelesco and greg costa.... there really reaching for talent these days... surprised giangrande hasnt been made hes actually itlaian unlike angeleso and costa.. giangrande is 100 percent italian blly and greg are not...i doubt after angelesco, giangrande, costa, prochillo, bufalino, federico are in there old age there will be no one in the next generation that wants any part of that fake shit. possibly scarpelli and marino.
I'd be willing to bet he actually wasn't the one who made Angelesco. Was told by the same guy that Biag doesn't like Angelesco at all, that he prefers not to see him, but maybe.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/17/13 03:23 PM
yeah spucky was probally the one who made angelesco, hes the revere/eastie capo... heard spucky loves angelesco and giangrande.. hes prob one of the few that actually likes them.. If in 2020 angelesco moves beyond a soldier everyone in the city of bosotn and boston area should tae him in a warehouse and torture that fuck cause the streets wont be safe. suspect in 5 unsolved murders. AND I FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE ANGELESCO AND LILO FABBO IN A BARBERSHOP TOGETHER THATS SURPRISING. LELO FABO HAS HAD BEEFS WITH ANGELSCO AND MUCKA MCCORMICK IN THE PAST.
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/17/13 04:49 PM
I know all this, your saying shit you can read about. Your telling me shit that is common knowledge. Paul Walker, I know all about him, him and Tommy Ryan were the 2 top Cambridge guys and they fought and shot at eachother for that spot. Ask my brother in law, your a wise ass buddy spewing all types of shit on a message board. My family is from Cambridge too and my uncle and Paul owned a bar together, u dont gotta be a smart ass we r all on here to read about common shit not the type of shit your throwing out there.
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/17/13 10:17 PM
And I dont need to check your post for knowledge cause everything you are saying you can read in the many books about the Boston underworld or on the internet. All the other stuff your saying is pretty much just talking shit about people.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/18/13 02:41 PM
AND I FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE ANGELESCO AND LILO FABBO IN A BARBERSHOP TOGETHER THATS SURPRISING. LELO FABO HAS HAD BEEFS WITH ANGELSCO AND MUCKA MCCORMICK IN THE PAST.
Believe it or not, someone posted saying this, not me.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/18/13 02:42 PM
for the record. when I think Winter Hill Gang, I think Somerville
Yeah I posted it cuz they Bolth get there cut on Salem street in medford and so do I....lilo is a medium height but jacked and billy is all tatooed up and short hair...lilo was assaulted by billy for shaking down a drug dealer that was under the protection of billy so billy beat lilo up...
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/18/13 04:51 PM
i think i know what babershop your talking about.... its definetley been years since ive seen angelesco cause he never had tattoos before, he used to be a skinny crackhead... but now people say after his first major bid hes bulking up.... hes one of those guys whos just real violent, wouldnt call him a top earner or SMART for that matter. LIKE IVE POSTED BEFORE THERES ALOT OF THINGS ABOUT HIM PEOPLE DONT KNOW, LIKE HIM BEING A JUNKIE, HIM BEING IRISH, HIS MOTHER BEING A FEDERAL PAROLE OFFICER, ANGELESCO BIENG HIS MOTHERS LAST NAME HIS REAL FATHERS NAME IS RUSSELL, HIS WIFE THE ONE WHO WAS KIDNAPPED HAS A BOYFRIENDS ON THE SIDE INCLUDING A BLACK COKE DEALER FROM LYNN. AND GIANGRANDE IS A HERION ATTICT AND HIS LAST ARREST WAS FOR SHOPLIFTING... WHAT GANGSTER SHOPLIFTS??/
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/19/13 09:25 PM
Thank you southend. Lic, buddy u got a serious hard on for Billy huh. You keep repeating the same shit about him in capital letters. Legit pal you have said the same exact info about him on all the new england, boston threads. You say you haven't seen him in years, yet you know every little detail about Billy. Even telling us where he lives for crist sake. Billy was already getting bulked up before he went away in 07. I never seen anybody post so much dirt on someone on any of these threads not just the Boston ones. Im sure I could let himknow you wanna talk to him the way your trashing him on here.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 08/20/13 12:22 AM
i think lic is junkie who billy beat up and get all his info from another junkie who runs the junk part of things from billy since lic is probably barred from the inner circle and out the loop of things and anyone who is connected knows billy ain't the first or last to have a mom or family member work for the law so lic just if u didnt not no big deal so keep throwing names out there dont mean shit and sure dont impress me not a bit
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 08/20/13 01:49 AM
FYI JoeRusso, lic also posted on a another thread that you're the son of the guy who clipped Barboza.
All of you guys provide quality posts with interesting info. There's no need for the pissing contests that crop up. Some people on here post like they're bipolar with the lic-ster leading the way. There's no call accusing people of being gay or a junky over and over again. Downright annoying.
Climbing down off the soapbox.
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/20/13 03:36 AM
Your exactly right, Russo and Mike, but I just got fed up with Lic. Calling me a joke and trying to tell me shit that I already know. I just started posting on here and this guy just wouldn't stop the shit talking. Theres no.need to post shit like he does, we all come on here to read and discuss things that are.common knowledge. And eveyone can post there thoughts or other info, Im.sorry but.this guy is just too much. With the junkie this and junkie that and all the garbage Lic posts. There's no need for it. He just seems like a rat, who thinks he knows every single thing going on in the Boston underworld.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/20/13 12:13 PM
first off i respect anyone wno posts local knowledge... and 2 things factor in to my sloppy posts the fact that iam using an ancient slow computer and the fact that billy and gene killed some people i was frinds/aquantences with soetihng u smucks wouldnt understand.. and iam lettign you know the facts on him cause hes made his criminal life off of lies.. and joerusso everything i post about anyone or anything is first hand knwledge and fact... nini angelesco is/was a federal parole officer and his irish and has always had a a drrrug problem soo hasnt gene.. i know all this shit about them because i grew up with these criminals not gangsters.. i would never call them gangsters... billy smokes crack and gene shoplifts to support dope habbit. anything i post about them is fact.... and if you go back to playing whos more connected youll lose. anytihng i post is from guys i grew up with all over the state or through family members.... shit i post about southie, eastie, north end, charlestown, revere, cambridge, everett,medford, malden, somerville is all first hand knowledge cause ive lived in these nieghborhoods and interacted with these guys.... and dFYI ville niel is a family friend he has diabetes now but i still respect that crazy fuck... and if your were really from somerville youd know that fat al sapochetti was crying in his cell when they did the sweep on the willow jazz club, he ended up ratting out niel andthe rest of them... gus sidote was a crazy fuck and johnson was a big earner. joe russo is just looking for a fight cause i got more knowledge than him, i am someon who was a part of the mix old or not, he is just someones son and nephew... and yes russo and the eastie biys were nut bags back in the dya but now there ancient... theres bufalino and prochillo though. AGIAN I APPRECIATE ALL LOCAL KNOWLEDGE AN POSTS. theres no piont in pissing and moaning at each other over the internet... billy and gene have a four leaf clover stuck up there ass, with the luck theyve had all these years but theyve killed alot of peoples fmaily members, bad guys or not, and it will catch up too them no matter how much undeserved respect billy gets from you youn punks.... i know all this shit about them cause i know eho they really are! and billy gets his hotheadness from his biological father billy russell, a bar brawler from cambridge.... yourfamily may know him ville. billy and gene' time will come... no matter how may old timers and politicians.cops there connected too.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/20/13 12:18 PM
kevin mucka mccormick 1999
bobby rogers santasky 2000
peter devito 2001
patrick patsy squillante 2004
murder at candelinos in somerville??? ville you got any inside info on that? ive heard it but no one has ever told me the pecifics... tryed looking itup theres nothing on it?
theyve killed alot of people and there luck will run out!
there's also acouple of things that happened in the mid 90's, that theyve been linked too but thats a whole different story... will give it some thought if iam guna post about those 2 incidents.
rogers and squillante were killed cause it was rumored they were going t testify in the mucka mccormick murder.
and for the recored ive never done drugs in my life, these are subjects that hit close too home... ive lived all over the state and have interacted with these guys at one pion oranother some more than others. and iam no rat haha were all on a message board, you call me a rat yor callign yourself a rat... ive kept some deep dark secrets my entire life... dont even come at me like that boyo
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/20/13 12:31 PM
aisde from that iam glad too see theres so many boston/mass/new england guys on here.
and to be honest with you young smucks.. the resonon why some of them still have thier freedom cause they never stayed in one place or with one group too long... thats he way to play it... thats a nugget of gold for ya.
and joerusso your such smuck... nothing you post impresse's me one bit cause anything you post happened 30 years ago and i could read in a book.. or ask an aging family member.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 08/20/13 05:08 PM
Man c'mon lets keep this thread going without the insults! This shit gets kinda old seeing y'all fuss back and forth, but yet y'all seem to have a ton of knowledge. Keep the facts flowing instead of the insults before this gets locked down or y'all get banned. I enjoy the posts.
joerusso check your pm's by the way. Going to holler at you.
Posted By: cheech
Re: boston - 08/20/13 07:20 PM
I'm not a grammar cop but you have to be dyslexic to read the posts in this thread
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/20/13 08:41 PM
I appreciate that post Lic, I know Fat Als a fucking rat fuck and claimed to be taking over the Boston Mob scene, but dimed that whole crew out and.couldn't even show his face in Somerville. His brother John, the degenerate gambler use to own Supreme Kitchen right up the street from me, but had to sell it cause he owes fucking everyone. The prick even asked through a friend to borrow money from me. I've lived in Somerville my whole life, but my family is from Ctown, Cambridge and some live in Medford. You must know my family if u grew up with billy. I just got pissed when u called me a joke cause im.definitly.not a joke. Everything I post is legit. I called u a rat cause of all the little tid bits u were throwing out about billy. Im no rat, my generation is obviously a little younger then yours. Some of my best friends are dead and we were all Somerville boys with fathers and uncles invovled in all this shit. I can say this stuff cause I know it and been through it. Im no bollshiter, and I respect everything u say, but when name calling starts u know how us Bostonians get, we r all hot heads, which Im sure people can tell by reading these threads.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 08/20/13 09:13 PM
Someone was asking about the murder in Candelino's in 2002. This is all I could find. Ironically, I posted this exact same thing two years ago today.
NEW ENGLAND IN BRIEF / SOMERVILLE
A 40-year-old Medford resident was identified yesterday as the man who was shot and killed in a Somerville eatery Tuesday night. Mark Eldridge was shot in the face as he sat at the bar inside Candelino's Continental Cafe on Somerville Avenue. His girlfriend, Ann Marie Pladziewicz, 41, who was shot in the back, was recovering yesterday at Massachusetts General Hospital. Investigators yesterday had no motive for the assault and no suspect, authorities said. Eldridge was imprisoned in the mid-1990s for armed assault and assault and battery, according to court records. Relatives of the victims, who live on Spring Street, could not be reached yesterday.
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/21/13 01:16 AM
Yea Eldridge and his girlfriend were sitting at the bar in there and someone walked in wearing a suit and tie and walked right up to him and shot him in the face. His girl chased the guy outside and the person shot her in the back. The bar was pretty full, but no one saw anything.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/21/13 06:31 PM
its all good, ville, southend and mike have had some good posts. joe russo is just on here to piss and moan... and thanks on the eldridge info... asked a few guys and they diddnt seem to know too much on it... billy and gene love killing them medford boys.... it reeks of bily this hit wearing a suite and tie a packed place with no witness's...( same thing with the devito hit at the squire) theres some other boston guys on here too like meffaboston vinnygorgeous and little frankie. always liek the feedback and posts...
i would like to put billy and gene in a room with the family and friends of the following people and see what would happen.
gary macarelli- killed 1995
kevin mucka mccormick
bobby rogers santasky
peter devito
mark eldridge
marie pladziewicz
patrick ;patsy' squillante
There luck will run out someday.... the one thing ive always asked other guys is how the hierarchy put up with them... everyone says the old timers dont want to be aorund him but yet hes still apart of thier orginazation. some people from medford call him irish billy, because they knwo who he really is.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 08/21/13 10:06 PM
i never a person who just hates another but dont have the balls to do shit about as much u do ...i can be a smuck and son/nephew of old gangsters but if i had a problem like u do and know as much people as u claim i sure would do something about it. im not the relative of the late great joe russo and i know most of yous know that and i can tell by your way of talk your a fuckin irish mick but no more back n forth with u because the knowledge u have is bunch of worthless info about bunch of dickheads that wants to be reckon with but dont have that type respect ...i think ur a junkie or degenerate who owes got beat up n trying to degrade the man on a forum where possiblebly an agent just observing. whatever i say i try to be informative and discreet as possible bcus whatever i say dont need to b used to help the law or have every personal business out in public but u act like ur in the red n only way out is getting this guy pinched without ur name in the 302's ....say whatever u have to say but im done
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 08/22/13 02:03 AM
Anybody got a guess who took over as capo of east b after rossetti and his guys went down. Rossetti took the 12yr in pc at the shirley max he didnt give up the bodies or there be alot of murder trials. The crew was always big.
Posted By: cookcounty
Re: boston - 08/22/13 02:14 AM
does boston still answer to new York?
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 08/22/13 02:28 AM
does boston still answer to new York?
What does that nonsense even mean?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/22/13 02:29 PM
Anybody got a guess who took over as capo of east b after rossetti and his guys went down. Rossetti took the 12yr in pc at the shirley max he didnt give up the bodies or there be alot of murder trials. The crew was always big.
Rossetti is in the Fed block in Norfolk
Posted By: RRB92080
Re: boston - 08/22/13 02:32 PM
What do you guys think about Jerry angulios son Gennaro and James Mirando (Tootie)....do you think they kick up or are they 100 percent legit. I know g/j is a very large and successful tow company.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 08/22/13 04:02 PM
He may kick up, but I doubt it. I think his old man has enough respect out there considering he did his 20+ years without uttering a word.
If I remember correctly Limone and his father were really tight, I'm sure he could call in a favor if someone tried to shake him down.
Posted By: RRB92080
Re: boston - 08/22/13 07:03 PM
I doubt anyone would shake him down.... He is good friends with bunch of motorcycle guys if you know what I mean...
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 08/22/13 09:12 PM
I doubt anyone would shake him down.... He is good friends with bunch of motorcycle guys if you know what I mean...
From what I've heard he's pretty nice guy, very unassuming.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/23/13 02:14 PM
Ville - You ever heard of a guy named Phil Johnson? I hear he owns like a used carlot or something like that and if I remember right its in Somerville. More to him than that obviously, but just wondering for now if you know of him?
Posted By: Mick7
Re: boston - 08/23/13 11:28 PM
Was it Phil Myers? I think he is part owner of Johns Auto in Somerville. Was big in the teamsters Local 25. Him and his brother worked for john murray. Phil ended up ratting.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/25/13 12:01 PM
Yes. That's exactly him, I had the last name sort of mixed up with the car lots name. Anthony said if he were to get out of prison today, he'd just go see Phil Myers at John's Auto and tell him give me a car "and I'd be leavin with a new car". But I've heard a lotta shit about Phil Myers from Charlestown/Somerville guys. Too long ago for me to shoot off facts on a thread with any credibility however...But if anybody knows about him there are some facts i'd like to bounce off
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/25/13 02:16 PM
I knew you meant Phil, him and his brother Paul work at Johns Auto, on one of the other New England threads I mentioned Johns Auto. Joey Mongiello works down there too. What facts did you want to know about about him. Im sure I can answer whatever questions you have. They worked with John Murray, not for him. Yes Phil did rat, but, no one would say that to his face and it's not like hes hiding out or anything. Hes probably the craziest motherfucker I know. When I said to Lic, there's alot of townies on his list he was missing, I meant this whole crew, but I didnt mention names cause these are guys I know all too well. Phil's a sicko, Lic was talking about townies joining the AB in jail, Phil was one of them. He killed a black guy in jail by sticking a metal pipe through his head. He's about 60yrs old now and he works out by fighting UFC style and he kicks the shit out of guys 20 30 years younger then him.
Posted By: Mick7
Re: boston - 08/25/13 05:04 PM
Phil is def out in the open and not shy. He sold my buddy a car when we were getting out of high school. My buddy thought he walked on water. Phil would send us out to do things for the shop and let us take the cars out and fart around, was always very friendly to me. Ville, is Murray still around? He got pinched for that scam they were running with the UPS drivers stealing expensive computer shit. He was doing it with a guy from up my way in Lowell, Danny Gilday. Gilday ended up turning and becoming a witness.He is a clown, im shocked Murray even associated with him.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/25/13 09:36 PM
I knew you meant Phil, him and his brother Paul work at Johns Auto, on one of the other New England threads I mentioned Johns Auto. Joey Mongiello works down there too. What facts did you want to know about about him. Im sure I can answer whatever questions you have. They worked with John Murray, not for him. Yes Phil did rat, but, no one would say that to his face and it's not like hes hiding out or anything. Hes probably the craziest motherfucker I know. When I said to Lic, there's alot of townies on his list he was missing, I meant this whole crew, but I didnt mention names cause these are guys I know all too well. Phil's a sicko, Lic was talking about townies joining the AB in jail, Phil was one of them. He killed a black guy in jail by sticking a metal pipe through his head. He's about 60yrs old now and he works out by fighting UFC style and he kicks the shit out of guys 20 30 years younger then him.
OK. The thing with being in the AB in prison and killing the guy in there was what I was going to ask about, it's pretty much what I heard, so that confirms it. Also confirms what the same people I heard it from also said, which is that he's a crazy fuck and he's out in the open because with this guy people are too shook of him to consider confronting him on it. Serious guy.
lic and jrrusso are 2 bullshitters who like to claim their in the game. they ain't. i gave them both specific info waited a week and they came up wanting. i dont claim to be anything other than a guy whos been around (and even then i didnt know about things like johns auto being connected to shitbags) and i dont know that much about boston but im a providence guy who knows a few things. hey jr, ill tell vinny you said hello! douche.
yo ville,Johns always has nice cars. shit back in the 90s my boy bought a nice mercedes from them. paid cash and quick so i didn't know about shadyness (except cash and quick but were talkin used car salesmen and my sketchy friends!) been looking to upgrade to a newer caddy and they got a niiiice dts. cash talks. thanks unknown internet poster haha.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 08/26/13 08:56 PM
Your a lying sack of shit you never asked me shit and if i didnt know i would say just that and i never claim to be in no life.. Do i know the life people in it etc of course grew up with that shit in my house but to say im in it or things of such i wont bcus im not in that " family " but well known to them. .. Yous stupid idiots say i said the late great j.r russo is my pop or uncle is fucking compulsive fat lying fuck never said that or anything close. You dont have to like me i dont care or on here to be liked but i know what i know. I dont know much about somerville charlestown southie or the characters that are players there nd wont act like i do not even much about eastie or revere crowd what i do know is my neighborhood and the history of the city period because i know players and characters who makes a difference all across the board not just a story for the locals to yap about in a bar. And the people i know knows me well and know about these guys yous mention and quite frankly their the not interesting or major players at all most of them anyway and that is a fact. So those who dont like me or think im a fake suck a dick and for the rest who respect me and keep their comments to themselves negative or postive you i thank
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/27/13 08:20 AM
Thats funny yous are talking about myers, he was one of the townies i was refering to when i said they all jioned the AB in federal prison.... everyone eho works at johns had somewhat of a criminal past mongiello,john kefinakis, myers, myers brother, the mechanics are young knuckleheads from charlestown and somerville. and people who buy cars from there, buy cars theere cause they cant go anywhere else people slanging or people that have history themselves etc... there con artists, if you look at there website all the wording in the ads are shady 'we buy cars top dollar paid no games" shouldnt it be played no games? just an example. John murray used to hang out down at the willow jazz club, if iam not mistaken he was apart of the bust were they had a customs agent letting things come thru that weretn suppose too.
and casertassquare?? i got no idea what ya talking about son, i gaurentee ive grown up around this shit ten fold, more than you have... just like ville my family and friends dwell in all the niehgborhoods around here cnnected to OC. stick to federal hill ya clown.
Posted By: dixiemafia
Re: boston - 08/27/13 10:16 AM
'we buy cars top dollar paid no games" shouldnt it be played no games?
Huh? Sounds fine to me.
We buy cars top dollar (means they pay top dollar for your car)
no games (means no games to be played which we all know is b.s.)
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/27/13 11:52 AM
[quote=southend]Yes. That's exactly him, I had the last name sort of mixed up with the car lots name. Anthony said if he were to get out of prison today, he'd just go see Phil Myers at John's Auto and tell him give me a car "and I'd be leavin with a new car". But I've heard a lotta shit about Phil Myers from Charlestown/Somerville guys. Too long ago for me to shoot off facts on a thread with any credibility however...But if anybody knows about him there are some facts i'd like to bounce off [/quote
if the beav got out, tlak about someone who would have some scores to setlle... iam pretty sure in the 80's and 90's ab and bc were tight with alot of the townies, anthony didnt pay up to anyone medford/malden were considered his piece of the pie, and gigi portalla in revere/everett didnt pay up too nayone either... hence renegades.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/27/13 03:07 PM
[quote=southend]Yes. That's exactly him, I had the last name sort of mixed up with the car lots name. Anthony said if he were to get out of prison today, he'd just go see Phil Myers at John's Auto and tell him give me a car "and I'd be leavin with a new car". But I've heard a lotta shit about Phil Myers from Charlestown/Somerville guys. Too long ago for me to shoot off facts on a thread with any credibility however...But if anybody knows about him there are some facts i'd like to bounce off [/quote
if the beav got out, tlak about someone who would have some scores to setlle... iam pretty sure in the 80's and 90's ab and bc were tight with alot of the townies, anthony didnt pay up to anyone medford/malden were considered his piece of the pie, and gigi portalla in revere/everett didnt pay up too nayone either... hence renegades.
yea you aint kiddin. and it makes sense what he said about going to john's auto and leavin with a car now that I know joey mongiello works there, him and Anthony were partners back in the day. but Anthony was inferring that he'd tell phil to give him a car, and "i'd be leaving with a car" meant phil barely would have a choice in the matter is how I took it, and I'm pretty sure that's the way he meant it. Anthony's got a handful of bodies under his belt, kind of ironic he ends up serving life w/out parole for the one he only ordered and didn't even pull the trigger.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/27/13 04:22 PM
[quote=southend]Yes. That's exactly him, I had the last name sort of mixed up with the car lots name. Anthony said if he were to get out of prison today, he'd just go see Phil Myers at John's Auto and tell him give me a car "and I'd be leavin with a new car". But I've heard a lotta shit about Phil Myers from Charlestown/Somerville guys. Too long ago for me to shoot off facts on a thread with any credibility however...But if anybody knows about him there are some facts i'd like to bounce off [/quote
if the beav got out, tlak about someone who would have some scores to setlle... iam pretty sure in the 80's and 90's ab and bc were tight with alot of the townies, anthony didnt pay up to anyone medford/malden were considered his piece of the pie, and gigi portalla in revere/everett didnt pay up too nayone either... hence renegades.
yea you aint kiddin. and it makes sense what he said about going to john's auto and leavin with a car now that I know joey mongiello works there, him and Anthony were partners back in the day. but Anthony was inferring that he'd tell phil to give him a car, and "i'd be leaving with a car" meant phil barely would have a choice in the matter is how I took it, and I'm pretty sure that's the way he meant it. Anthony's got a handful of bodies under his belt, kind of ironic he ends up serving life w/out parole for the one he only ordered and didn't even pull the trigger.
I didnt know him and joey worked together back in the day, joey's always had a succesful booking office. pretty sure joey monguiello was apart of a murder in dorchester in the 1980's with a guy nicked named atonio mazza, thats what people sont understand all those medford malden things before 1999 were anthonys beefs and handled by anthonys crew, he had viloent guys like billy angelesco, gene giangrande, brian cahill in his crew too deal with things. kind of messed up how cahill and giangrande get bad raps for bieng there sidekicks... but there no angels them selves... violent crew... anthony had a monoply on medford and malden, and once he went away billy and gene took over what was left medford malden plus everett somerville, and a little bit of the action in revere. I MITE BE WRONG BUT SOMEONE TOLD ME MONGIELLO'S WIFE IS ANTHONYS MOM.... HEARD A STORY WHEN I WAS YOUNGER ABOUT ANTHONYS BIOLOGICAL DAD GETTING KILLED IN THE NORTH END A LONG TIME AGO PROBALLY THE 70'S NOT SURE HOW TRUE IT WAS AND NOT SURE WHAT HIS DADS LAST NAME WAS?
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 08/27/13 06:31 PM
Question, did AB have to get these hits approved when he was operating in the 90's? Or was he allowed to do as he pleased in his 'territory'? Or did he just not care whether they were approved or not?
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/27/13 06:33 PM
South end, let me know if you know something i dont.. i tihnk these are all of them connected too the beav crew in the 90's-early00's. i have felling theres more.
Gary Macarelli- 1995 medford
carmine riggillo-1996 north end-- suspect was a low level barry crew member CHRIS DADDIO.
kevin mucka mccormick 1999 malden- ab and bc serving life without- thought to have been ordered by barry and exucuted by billy angelesco and gene giangrande, its thought barry and cahill were waiting in the car for angelesco and giangrande to do the job.
bobby rogers santasky 2000 malden--was going to testify and say angelesco and giangrande were really the ones who killed mucka mccromick.
peter devito 2001 revere-- killed at the squire strip club, siad he disrespected angelesco in providence club by having bouncers ruff him up.
mark eldridge 2002 somerville-- killed at candelinos in somerville.
patrick patsy squillante 2004 malden- was said to have witnessed angelesco kill bobby rogers santasky. and was suppsoedly going to testify.
Suspects in these incidents in no particular order- anthony barry, billy angelesco, gene giangrande, brian cahill, and a low level guy named Chris Daddio.
now dont get me wrong the guys who got clipped werent angels themselves...
macarelli- ran a low level booking office and marijuana ring on barrys turf.
riggillo- was taking away from barry's marijuana operatio. his friend mike bruce witnessed riggillos murder, never utteres a word, dos a year in jail for keeping his mouth shut.
mucka mccormick- was taking away from barrys booking office, marijuana/coke operation, slapped a barry crew member in a malden bar. mccormick ran a very succesful prostituiton ring and was charged with attemptd murder himself in 1996.
bobby rogers- sold drugs for barry, was going to tell judge that angelesco and giangrande murdered mucka. rogers was suspected of stabbing someone in the medford housing projects he lived in with his mom. he was just 19 or 20 years old when he was killed.
patsy squillante- ran a scumy bar, and booking office. was going to testify agianst angelesco and giangrande in bobby rogers murder.
peter devito- owned strip jionts all over new wngland.
mark eldridge- low level medford guy, from what i gather, dont know too much on him.
DECOLOGERO CREW
AISLIN SILVA 1996 MEDFORD, WAS THOUGHT TO BE GI=VING INFO ON THE ROBBERY CREW MUESE SNAPPED HER NECK, THEY CHOPPED HER UP, SOME OF HER BODY PARTS WERE FOUND IN A DANVERS DUMPSTER BEHIND A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SHE WAS JUST 19 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE WAS MURDERED.
PROCHILLO AND BUFALINO RELATED
1992 VINNY ARCIERI MURDER ORIENT HIEGHTS EASTIE... rumored he was bad mouthing certian crews.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/27/13 06:43 PM
Good question, people say he never got anything approved, just like angelesco never got his hits approved. there dudes who jsut dont give a fuck and aint scared to die themselves. Some say thats why AB is doing the mucka mccormick bid despite not physically commiting the murder 'he ordered it'. just like orderd some of the other hits. they say the hierarchy didnt like him clipping people and the state or FBI sure didnt like it either.
Anthony had a few mai contacts though, guys he vied as being on the same level as him or just about on the same level
Joey mongiello- leftover member of somerville/medford WHG faction.
Paul decologero- renegade member eastie, revere, woburn and somerville.. operated in burlington too beleive it or not.
sold cociane for whitey amd flemmi in the 80's, later ran a drug robbery crew that murdered a 19 year old medford girl aislin islva, kevin muese snapped her neck he later hung himself in his cell from guilt.
A made guy that lives behind a quite hospital, on the medford/winchester border. North end guy.
joe donahue- leftover somerville WHG.. uncle was original member joe macdonald.
niel mazza- leftover somerville WHG.
Gigi portalla- revere/everett renegade action.
and brain was connected to charlestown and southie, through his old man tom cahill and childhood friend william billy brymer. had his own connctions with guys from eastie,ctown and cambridge from growing up in walpole prison.
kevin hardy- ran a independent somerville crew with local junkie bobby rennell.
Richie sperlinga- son of original WHG member sal sperlinga, somewhat of a god son/nephew too howie winter, sperlinga overdosed on herion in the early 00's.
And of course barry and gigi portalla had sat down with some of the lcn major players at one piont peter limone carmen dinunzio, vinnny the animal ferera, joe russo, robert carozza etc... and possibly baggio digiacomo, not sureon on that one.
Lonnie hillson- medford/everett with cadillaic frank sallemme. was good friends with;
vinny arcieri murdered 1992 east boston orient hieghts.( it was unclear if arcieri's murder was related too prochillo and bufalino, or related to barry angelesco giangrande cahill.
VINNY ARCIERI SR. was a mob player that dealt in the garbage disposal unions and contracts.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 08/28/13 03:02 AM
Is Dennis Lepore still active. The only thing I heard about him is that Arthur Gianelli had to kick some cash up to him when he caught wind of his operation.
Other than that, he's been off the radar. What's his story today?
Posted By: sittite
Re: boston - 08/28/13 04:16 AM
It's Billy's turf now....everyone seems to be have been made aware.
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: boston - 08/28/13 04:46 AM
Is Dennis Lepore still active. The only thing I heard about him is that Arthur Gianelli had to kick some cash up to him when he caught wind of his operation.
Lepore shook him down but Gianelli also kicked up to Carmen DiNunzio.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 08/28/13 02:06 PM
what was the deal with Gianelli..?
I read a lot about him when he was pinched and I know he was John Connolly's brother in law but was he made, who made him and if he was made why would another made guy, Lepore, shake him down if he was already paying Carmine...??
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 08/28/13 02:23 PM
and is there any Lepore news, he's not that old and has been out for while, I think...
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/28/13 03:54 PM
dont got much info on lepore, but gianelli was shooken down by lepore and made monthly payments to cheesman dinunzio before they both got canned... gianelli si not made he is closer alligned wit hth eleft over somerville WHG, he was and is very closely linked to an original member JOey yerardi(used to work for martarano in the 80's) and also was linked up with medford joey mongiello, gianelli was targeted by various people for paymets and shakes because unlike the common bookie loanshark, his booking office and loanshark operation netted hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions, he is someone on there radar other bookies didnt make anywhere near as much dough as that operation did... mongiello, gianelli and yerardi are very wealthy.... yerardi is still in federal prison though, but iam ure he never wants for anthing and alwas has a full canteen...... gianellis booking office operated all over eastern mass.. hence the sucsess.
Posted By: BigHauss24
Re: boston - 08/28/13 04:30 PM
Gianelli also had something to do with the club in Malden for the poker machines if my mind serves me correct.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 08/28/13 04:43 PM
Another thing Gianelli got indicted and then convicted for was shaking down or trying to take over the Big Dog sports bar somewhere North of Boston (Lynnfield I think). He had a father and son henchmen (Dennis Albertelli and son)who took baseball bats to meetings with the owner. I think they also tried to torch that place and maybe others. I think he was also accused of cutting power to someone's house as part of another threat or shakedown.
His wife was John Connolly's sister if I recall correctly. They arrested her to for helping the bookmaking operation. He wasn't a made guy, which left him vulnerable to the Cheeseman and Lepore apparently.
I think he had his hands in a lot of different things. The end result was a 22 year sentence. They really hammered him.
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 08/28/13 04:47 PM
and is there any Lepore news, he's not that old and has been out for while, I think...
Other than the Gianelli thing, Lepore hasn't been heard from at all, same with Bobby Carrozza. I wonder if he is done like Biagio, calling it quits? It seems that a lot of these guys who went down with Vinny Ferrara have kept their noses clean more or less. Have to believe that these guys who did long stretches and are older now just don't think it's worth it anymore.
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 08/28/13 04:59 PM
How did an Italian earner like Gianelli not get recruited and made into the family ??
I'm sure he would rather have been part of the family than an independent that anyone could shake down...?
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 08/28/13 05:00 PM
It's hard to believe guys like Carrozza and Lepore would be living a straight and narrow lifestyle, even with the risk...
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 08/28/13 05:37 PM
yeah that thing about gianellis crew trying to take over that lynnfield restaraunt it true, he had a big crew, bookmaking and loansharking was his bread and butter though, not really into drug sales. gianelli yerardi, mongiello were 3 bookies leftover from the reminents of the somerville and southie WHG factions, and they operated in places like lynnfield, arlington etc... cause they knew theres no other OC groups in those area's to compete with, and to be honest most of the degenerate gamblers live in the suburbs now arlington, stoneham etc... THE RENTS IN THE CITY AND GREATER BOSTON ARE HIGHER THAN THE SUBURBS, ITS BEEN LIKE THAT SINCE THE EARLY 00'S, yuppies will live anywhere thesse days as long as there close to downtown boston or the backbay were all there jobs are. When i was a kid rents in eastie, chelsea, everett, malden, revere were $900- $1000 fro a 3 three bedroom now these days a 3 bedroom in the scummiest part of eastie will set you back $1400 or $1500 amonth cause yuppies just want to be in the city... places like somerville, cambridge and charlestown are a joke more like $2600-$3000 fro a three 3 bedroom. its all ajoke.
i can understand why guys like ferara, carozza, lepore and digiacomc are low key now it really isnt worth it these days... they got money they made from crime years ago and invested it in restaraunts and construction companies or used car dealerships.... there going striaght believe or not( well fro the most part, most of them will always take bets and run illegal poker machines)
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/28/13 11:24 PM
Joe Yeradi got out in july. That whole operation, the gambling and loan sharking was Joey Ys, and when he went to prison in 95, Gianelli inherited Joey's business. The reason Gianelli got smoked at sentencing is cause of the bars he was trying to extort, I think there were about 3 or 4. He never got made cause he was making more money as an independant then he would have if he was made, and like Lic said he was with Winter Hill and they liked doing things the way they wanted to, rather then kicking up prolly 50% if he was made , he paid Dinunzio 2gs a month which was pennies compared to the operation he was running.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 08/29/13 12:01 AM
ferrara biago bobby lepore gambale you name em and all of em are active into alll types of things mostly legitimate business but very illegal ones as well .... sports betting offices, pony scams with jockeys, gambling games skimming with politicians and dimasi was a big lost thats a fact... they are off the radar because they deal with eachother and few others like spucky and simone and salvati limone guys who stays off the radar and have barely no association most importantly who they know is not going to rat no matter what. they deal with one another which they trust and keep their ventures tightly operated and none of them have a crew except spucky and bobby so they are not positioned to ratted on by others. bobby is the only one who have a socail club and underlngs buts its his sons and few others like imbruglia, giso nephew, but thats it. this crew is vert tight knit ferrara simone biago bobby lepore gambale salvati few others and often alone or accompanying the lamattina brothers, jerry son jason
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 08/29/13 12:32 AM
thats who they go to for not advice but wisdom and jerry son is used more like a friend needed for any business assistance. those i mentioned are a crew who is great of staying off the radar but very hard to catch em around eachother even though they are eachothers only associates so they do a great job at running thier illegitimacies alone with little to no help except from eachother or their close ones often offsprings or nephews. ferrara i heard is taken care of patsy as he ferrara remains close. dee dee i hear is not shelved that he isnt agreeing with few on certain things and it has to do with dinunzio brothers which makes alot sense considering their past. and as for gainelli all i know he was a wealthy that took over for another rich bookie yerardi and was kicking to lepore and had north shore to himself ...i found out he kicked up to fat cheese when the indictment came out. yerardi i met years ago handsome charming well dressed showed respect and he got respect himself and obviously stand up guy .
Posted By: paddy78
Re: boston - 08/30/13 05:25 PM
i like things the way they are here in southie, now quiet, i know who runnng things but its small scale and not on the herald like before, im not gonna put names out but thats me
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 08/30/13 05:33 PM
i like things the way they are here in southie, now quiet, i know who runnng things but its small scale and not on the herald like before, im not gonna put names out but thats me
Georgie boy ?
Posted By: paddy78
Re: boston - 08/30/13 05:44 PM
much like the face of the company, any ceo is not in the day to day right?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 08/31/13 02:12 AM
South end, let me know if you know something i dont.. i tihnk these are all of them connected too the beav crew in the 90's-early00's. i have felling theres more.
Gary Macarelli- 1995 medford
carmine riggillo-1996 north end-- suspect was a low level barry crew member CHRIS DADDIO.
kevin mucka mccormick 1999 malden- ab and bc serving life without- thought to have been ordered by barry and exucuted by billy angelesco and gene giangrande, its thought barry and cahill were waiting in the car for angelesco and giangrande to do the job.
bobby rogers santasky 2000 malden--was going to testify and say angelesco and giangrande were really the ones who killed mucka mccromick.
peter devito 2001 revere-- killed at the squire strip club, siad he disrespected angelesco in providence club by having bouncers ruff him up.
mark eldridge 2002 somerville-- killed at candelinos in somerville.
patrick patsy squillante 2004 malden- was said to have witnessed angelesco kill bobby rogers santasky. and was suppsoedly going to testify.
I really have no place commenting on that because I just don't know. Anthony certainly never talked to me about people he may or may not have killed know what I mean lol. But since Arthur Gianelli's name came up I can tell you a story strait from the Beav as a matter of fact. Quick and short, but that's just because Anthonys not big on reminiscing but you understand.. Gianelli was controlling a bunch of poker machines down in Connecticut and I guess Anthony had a piece of the pie, and some Gambino guys, made or not I dunno maybe just 'with' the Gambinos, strongarmed him and completely took the business from him, probably a territory thing since it was ct/gambinos, but it took place over a sitdown and Beav didn't agree with the fact that Arthur walked away with zero, practically with his tail between his legs. Anthony went to Connecticut to have his own sitdown with the Gambino guys, pitched a percentage offer I'd imagine, and came back to Boston with the poker machines now his, while paying these Gambino associates there small cut for operating and Gianelli was o-u-t. This is one of the only couple times he ever semi- went into anything oc-related that's why I remember. When guys would get all into that type of conversation, name dropping an shit, he never really offered his 2 cents on the subject.
Annnyways I found
THIS ARTICLE on Phil Myer's prison murder, enjoy.
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 08/31/13 07:53 PM
I remember the day that happened to Phil, Paul and Butsy. Phil was in Cambridge getting ready to rob another coke dealer for 6 kilos. But it ended up being a setup and then they dropped the indictment. Phil and Paul lost their Local 25 jobs, working at the Boston Herald. Had to turn in their union cards for good. The crazy thing is Phil had a chance to play in the NHL, but he chose the criminal life instead. Proves how much of a criminal he was, doing time in Memphis and Marion. There was so much more they were doing then just taking over Whiteys turf. All the shit they were planning to do to make changes in the way things were run at Local 25.
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 08/31/13 08:10 PM
southend those stripclub guys from springfield just bought a strip club in oxford ma mardi gras2 they never told on antohny a or Bruno right, there big money guys I read. wonder when Anthony get sentenced I think he get 15yrs they wont go to easy on him cause in reality he only put 3 guys away and killed 2 or 3. that springfield crew was around forever they should have never killed Bruno I bet nigro must hate himself.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/04/13 03:44 PM
southend those stripclub guys from springfield just bought a strip club in oxford ma mardi gras2 they never told on antohny a or Bruno right, there big money guys I read. wonder when Anthony get sentenced I think he get 15yrs they wont go to easy on him cause in reality he only put 3 guys away and killed 2 or 3. that springfield crew was around forever they should have never killed Bruno I bet nigro must hate himself.
The guy that owns the Gras, Jimmy Santaniello, testified that he was being shaken down for like $10,000 a month by Ratillotta
Posted By: TheIsland
Re: boston - 09/04/13 03:59 PM
southend those stripclub guys from springfield just bought a strip club in oxford ma mardi gras2 they never told on antohny a or Bruno right, there big money guys I read. wonder when Anthony get sentenced I think he get 15yrs they wont go to easy on him cause in reality he only put 3 guys away and killed 2 or 3. that springfield crew was around forever they should have never killed Bruno I bet nigro must hate himself.
The guy that owns the Gras, Jimmy Santaniello, testified that he was being shaken down for like $10,000 a month by Ratillotta
It was more then that cuzzo
Posted By: paddy78
Re: boston - 09/04/13 04:44 PM
not to add my 2cents but a relative of mine was in for 8yrs on some cocaine bust a few years ago,he was with arilotta, i guess he was there on some other previous conviction, i wanna say mci shirley, anyhoo no one seen it coming, he was one of the guys, shaking things up, then all sudden the fbi starts payin him visits and the jail, and all sudden he just vanishes from the block one day, the cons knew what was up,word got back and the springfield crew spray painted rat on his house, his wife was scared but never joined his ratfest.
Posted By: TheIsland
Re: boston - 09/05/13 01:27 AM
the cons knew what was up,word got back and the springfield crew spray painted rat on his house, his wife was scared but never joined his ratfest.
She's off limits but her house isn't
Posted By: pmac
Re: boston - 09/05/13 01:40 AM
What do you think anthony a gets, roache got 15 and he fliped first anthony got killing a mass state informant to I bet he gets 15 or more. He not a important nyc informant and really did anything to screw up the family. I even think he was lied to believing nigro was acting boss, maybe justacting capo.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/05/13 11:32 AM
Arillotta did his state bid in MCI Gardner
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/10/13 01:08 PM
not to add my 2cents but a relative of mine was in for 8yrs on some cocaine bust a few years ago,he was with arilotta, i guess he was there on some other previous conviction, i wanna say mci shirley, anyhoo no one seen it coming, he was one of the guys, shaking things up, then all sudden the fbi starts payin him visits and the jail, and all sudden he just vanishes from the block one day, the cons knew what was up,word got back and the springfield crew spray painted rat on his house, his wife was scared but never joined his ratfest.
This doesn't make sense actually. He was on the streets a free man until the feds pinched him for the Bruno hit and he began cooperating almost immediately. Wasn't incarcerated @ the time of his arrest, and flipped before he even landed in a holding. So that makes the scenario you explained impossible. Not saying your lying, just stating facts...
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/10/13 02:21 PM
Back to Boston related...
I'd never heard of John Houlihan until I met his shitbag rat nephew in shirley, but he was a serious Charlestown Irish mobster/drug dealer/killer whose now doing life in the feds. His top partner was a guy named Mike Fitzgerald, theyr enforcer was Joe Nardone. All 3 are in Allenwood, Fitz and Nardone in the USP and Houlihan in the medical facility. The convictions were based on investigations mainly into theyr coke distribution network and crimes related to it, but older Charlestown/Somerville guys have said Houlihan and Fitzgerald were heavy hitters, doing a ton of hits back in the day.
Posted By: Mick7
Re: boston - 09/10/13 05:50 PM
Posted By: jace
Re: boston - 09/10/13 05:58 PM
not to add my 2cents but a relative of mine was in for 8yrs on some cocaine bust a few years ago,he was with arilotta, i guess he was there on some other previous conviction, i wanna say mci shirley, anyhoo no one seen it coming, he was one of the guys, shaking things up, then all sudden the fbi starts payin him visits and the jail, and all sudden he just vanishes from the block one day, the cons knew what was up,word got back and the springfield crew spray painted rat on his house, his wife was scared but never joined his ratfest.
This doesn't make sense actually. He was on the streets a free man until the feds pinched him for the Bruno hit and he began cooperating almost immediately. Wasn't incarcerated @ the time of his arrest, and flipped before he even landed in a holding. So that makes the scenario you explained impossible. Not saying your lying, just stating facts...
Obviously a gigantic contradiction in these two stories. I don't think first poster was lying, but it sounds like he was lied to.
Posted By: Meffa47
Re: boston - 09/11/13 10:49 PM
Gary was at MM's house Richards ave I think up near Flynn rink. Anyway the other kid is one of my good friends....he was shaking in crying next day at school. He wasn't set up by them
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/13/13 12:08 AM
not to add my 2cents but a relative of mine was in for 8yrs on some cocaine bust a few years ago,he was with arilotta, i guess he was there on some other previous conviction, i wanna say mci shirley, anyhoo no one seen it coming, he was one of the guys, shaking things up, then all sudden the fbi starts payin him visits and the jail, and all sudden he just vanishes from the block one day, the cons knew what was up,word got back and the springfield crew spray painted rat on his house, his wife was scared but never joined his ratfest.
This doesn't make sense actually. He was on the streets a free man until the feds pinched him for the Bruno hit and he began cooperating almost immediately. Wasn't incarcerated @ the time of his arrest, and flipped before he even landed in a holding. So that makes the scenario you explained impossible. Not saying your lying, just stating facts...
Obviously a gigantic contradiction in these two stories. I don't think first poster was lying, but it sounds like he was lied to.
I don't think he was lying, I agree that he may have been told some inaccurate info from another person who was just wrong or lying
Posted By: Extortion
Re: boston - 09/13/13 12:29 AM
is joerusso, Joe Russo the consigliere's son?
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 09/13/13 03:18 AM
is joerusso, Joe Russo the consigliere's son?
No he isn't, and he doesn't claim to be. He claims some connection but not that.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 09/13/13 03:37 AM
no im not lol heard he was a gangster's gangster and a mans man him and my pop uncle grand pop was really close when i asked a old timer about him he said j.r. was as good as they come and was really a great friend of my grandpop ...treated my pop and uncle with great respect and kept them close when my grandpop died so i respect him dearly for that and they do even more so thats why i try to keep his name in honor cause like the old timer said he was as good as they come
Posted By: paddy78
Re: boston - 09/13/13 03:52 PM
ya the hit went down in 01 02 he got questioned while at shirley but it wasnt until roache flipped that arilotta got identigied. i know he was in there previous he way a cowboy w the poker machines threats ect. let me call my relative to straighten this out im sry abt the confusion.
Posted By: lic
Re: boston - 09/13/13 06:27 PM
IN the late 80's-early 90s- houlihan, fitzgerald and nardone ran charlestown controlled all PCP, coke and herion sales... enforced assualts and murders(REFER TO MY CHARLESTOWN MOB WARS THREAD) HAD DOZENS OF GUYS UNDER THEM MOSTLY family and friends from the housing projects of mishuwam and NEW TOWNE. ALSO DABBLED IN BANK ROBBERY.
but after nardone houlihan and fitzgerald were sent to federal prison in early to mid 90's... a guy name mcgonagle took over mr mcgoo mcongagle, he didnt dabble in drugs soo much but was a mastermind behind a half of dozen if not more bank robbery's...
mconagle and his bank robbery crew would latter get sent off to fed priosn thmeselves.
then there were the myers/murray crew who were connected to the teamsters, and the aryan brotherhood.... that delt in drug sales, drug robberies and illegal activities within the teamsters unions... they operated mostly in somerville/charlestown.. MYERS WAS A GOVERNMENT WITNESS/INFORMENT... DOUBT HIS FORMER ARYAN BROTHERHOOD TIES WOULD ACCEPT HIM NOW. HE IS A PART OWNER OF JOHNS AUTO SALES IN SOMERVILLE, WHERE JOEY MONGIELLO WORKS ALONG WITH PAUL MYERS HIS YOUNGER BROTHER.
than there was a younger crew( not to significant) ran by JOHN FIDLER.
hahaa and every one knows butchy doe...they tried to kill him over a half of dozen times... and he lived through all of them haha
The character in THE TOWN in the flower shop, IS BASEd ON A MIX OF houlihan, fitzgerald and most signifiaclly mcgonagle.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/13/13 08:13 PM
John Houlihan's respect was the only reason the Charlestown guys didn't kill his nephew for ratting a buncha guys out
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/13/13 08:14 PM
I hear butchy doe was brought out to the woods d put on his knees and still didn't talk, and lived after they shot him lol
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 09/13/13 10:28 PM
funny you mention fidler i know him well and one of very few charlestown men i know ...good man from a generation of robbers got caught for the robbery in my neck of the woods (north end) few years back dont recall if it was a bank or armor truck.... he got 13 years seen him in wyatt before he got shipped well i got bail before he got shipped out...hes a big drug user but thats most of southie and charlestown anyway even my neighborhood its becoming a normal thing sad but fidler is a good stand up guy .... his big scar on his head came from a southie/townie war in walpole in the 90's ... his brother cousins unles father grandpop the whole fidler clan pure bank robbers going back generations again good friend of mine for years now one of the few irishmen im great friends with fidler is a stand up man and respected the mcgonagle man dearly guess the mcgonagle guy got 30 years met his son or nephew with fidler few times years ago but fidler is a great friend of mine and stand up man
Posted By: SgWaue86
Re: boston - 09/14/13 04:11 AM
Yes the move The Town seems to be based on this crew, here's some Info from their case file. Copy & pasted from findacase.com.
For nearly four years Michael Fitzgerald and John Houlihan ran a ruthlessly efficient drug ring from an unlikely command post Kerrigan's Flower Shop, Charlestown, Massachusetts. The organization commanded the allegiance of numerous distributors, stationary and mobile, including Jennierose Lynch, William “Bud” Sweeney, George Sargent, and Alan Skinner. These minions, and others like them, helped the organization supply cocaine to hordes of buyers through an elaborate street-level distribution network that arranged most of its sales with the aid of electronic pagers, assigned customer codes, and preset rendezvous points.Fitzgerald and Houlihan imposed a strict code of silence on all who came into contact with them, including their own troops. They dealt severely with persons who seemed inclined to talk too freely. Joseph Nardone, a professional assassin who bragged that he was the “headache man”-when the organization's chieftains had a headache, Nardone got rid of it-acted as the principal enforcer. Over time, the gang's targets included Sargent, Sweeney (who survived multiple attempts on his life, but was left paralyzed from the chest down), a rival drug dealer, James Boyden III, and the latter's son and helpmeet, James Boyden IV.The Fitzgerald-Houlihan axis dominated the Charlestown scene through 1993. Ultimately, the authorities broke the code of silence and a federal grand jury indicted twelve individuals.
Posted By: Mick7
Re: boston - 09/14/13 06:04 AM
ic...was quinn Hennessy big in that younger crew?
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/15/13 04:58 PM
I think atleast one or two of butchy doe's sons are part of some little crew in Charlestown
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 09/17/13 12:42 PM
Russo, Fid's been out for awhile. That was an another townie crew that did the North End armored car job a few years ago. Fidler had nothing to do with that. Southend is it Jeff Houlihan your talking about? Butchie don't have any kids involved in anything
Posted By: paddy78
Re: boston - 09/17/13 02:36 PM
i know butchies kids and grandkids, they have had their struggles like most of us,but the best thing i can say is he writes beautiful poetry , look it up.
Posted By: paddy78
Re: boston - 09/17/13 02:36 PM
i too ville know the north end guys from ctown,jason told,lives in medford,no good,still shows his face sometimes and his bro is a c/o at the bay
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/17/13 03:25 PM
Russo, Fid's been out for awhile. That was an another townie crew that did the North End armored car job a few years ago. Fidler had nothing to do with that. Southend is it Jeff Houlihan your talking about? Butchie don't have any kids involved in anything
yeah, and it's a shame because he could be a really likable kid but obviously can't see past the main problem. He got his parole after 8 or 9 years and came right back in practically no time at all
Posted By: LuanKuci
Re: boston - 09/17/13 03:33 PM
any zip left in springfield?
or was fusco the only one to begin with?
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 09/17/13 08:54 PM
Paddy, It's Ronnie who does the poetry and yes he is very good at it. You might be thinking of someone else when you say Butchies kids and grandkids. One of the guys from the North End job, Arthur Burgess was caught in your city. The rest of them were Dennis Quirk, Marty O'Brien, Jason Owens, and Pat Lacey. Most of them are doing serious time in federal prison, except for the ones who turned on them. Yea southend, Jeff dimed out alot of close people when they all got caught up for the pharmacy robberies.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 09/17/13 10:50 PM
Russo, Fid's been out for awhile. That was an another townie crew that did the North End armored car job a few years ago. Fidler had nothing to do with that. Southend is it Jeff Houlihan your talking about? Butchie don't have any kids involved in anything
the fidler i know is in a federal joint got 13 years for robbing a truck or bank dont know for sure but it was in the north end and he's in there thats a fact... he has a daughter name molly, hes bald headed with a crazy scar on his head, he's got huge eyeballs in his mid 40's but looks young did 5-8 in walpole but def fidler unless theres another john fidler who ran shit and is older than his mid 40's with a different description
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 09/17/13 10:54 PM
but fidler is def in the feds FACT i knew him for years now and was glad to see him .....didnt know he took over ctown but knew he ran his little operations but fidler is a stand up guy doing 13 years mouth shut
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 09/18/13 02:06 AM
Maybe you mean Mike Fidler, he's doing time for robbing a bank on Canal street and another on Main street, ctown. He has a daughter. But John Fid is definitely not in prison and has been out for a few years. He never robbed any banks in the north end. There's no way John Fidler is doing 13yrs. Hes done a shitload of time, but is definitely not locked up anymore.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/18/13 11:18 AM
Two people named John Fidler came up as RELEASED from the feds. No Jonathan's either
Posted By: paddy78
Re: boston - 09/18/13 02:12 PM
jason owens turned on them, i know most them well,his bro is a co at bay
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/18/13 04:05 PM
Paddy, It's Ronnie who does the poetry and yes he is very good at it. You might be thinking of someone else when you say Butchies kids and grandkids. One of the guys from the North End job, Arthur Burgess was caught in your city. The rest of them were Dennis Quirk, Marty O'Brien, Jason Owens, and Pat Lacey. Most of them are doing serious time in federal prison, except for the ones who turned on them. Yea southend, Jeff dimed out alot of close people when they all got caught up for the pharmacy robberies.
I was in Concord with Marty O'Brien tall kid from Charlestown. Great kid! Doing 18-20 years for that shit. He went to Norfolk then got lugged to Souza for a dirty urine with some other guys last I heard
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/18/13 07:18 PM
18-20 years, sounds like a great kid...I'm sure his parents are proud.
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 09/18/13 11:12 PM
Two people named John Fidler came up as RELEASED from the feds. No Jonathan's either
its john fidler or i just been lied to for years that its john ... besides thats it bunch of them they all go by fidler no matter whats the first name .... let me ask to make sure but ville how dont you know exactly who im talking about and described him gave personal info the whole nine you should know just by his huge eyeballs and his scar theres not to many fidlers that look like that
Posted By: Joerusso
Re: boston - 09/18/13 11:14 PM
jcb who are you guy ???
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 09/19/13 04:14 PM
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/loc...nzi_proportionsI'm not sure if this guy is connected but the name Palladino has cropped up in the past in Boston OC. I think there is a Palladino who is on the list of people that Peter Limone cannot mingle with. Also, John Martorano's first hit was a Bobby Palladino I think.
Either way this Palladino is just as big a crook if not moreso.
A West Roxbury family’s alleged investment racket, which prosecutors say robbed 42 people of a combined $10 million, “is among the largest investment scams we’ve seen since Charles Ponzi’s scheme right here in Boston almost 100 years ago,” Suffolk District Attorney Daniel F. Conley said today.“The losses here are staggering, and many of the victims are ordinary men and women who have seen their assets disappear overnight,” Conley said.Husband and wife Steven and Lori Palladino of West Roxbury, and their 28-year-old son Gregory will be arraigned Sept. 30 in Suffolk Superior Court on charges including larceny and tampering with evidence. - See more at:
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/loc...h.1Xi6yiKS.dpuf
Posted By: RomanNE
Re: boston - 09/19/13 06:03 PM
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 09/19/13 09:10 PM
Russo. The guy you described and the personal info you gave isn't the John Fidler Im talking about. It pretty much goes without saying with what I've said that Fid isn't locked up and has been out for years. Especially when I know for a fact that the John Fidler you guys are talking about isn't the same guy your thinking of. Fid is in his mid 40s, but he don't have big bug eyes. And your telling me he's doing 13yrs, when I know the guy and know hes been out for years. And the Fidler other people on here were talking about is the same guy im talking about. The John Fidler you described isn't the same Fidler from charlestown.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/20/13 02:24 PM
18-20 years, sounds like a great kid...I'm sure his parents are proud.
funny I don't recall askin you shit
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/20/13 02:35 PM
You didn't need to ask, you posted it on a public forum...I'm sure a lot of parents would be proud that their kid is doing 18-20, a real "stand up" kid wasting taxpayers money and living off the government for 18-20 years...but he's a good kid:) Dirty urine? Drugs? The apple of his mother's eye I'm sure:)
South end an Joe russo are so full of shit all they do is start trouble....just because I haven't gone to prison and have just read books dosent mean you know more than me..I've never heard anyone be more proud of goin to the can..
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/20/13 02:41 PM
Don't know either of them so I can't comment on them personally...however, the whole bit about Marty O'Brien being a "good kid" doing 18-20 years is comical...People actually think that convicts doing 18-20 are stand up guys...What the fuck is the world coming to and these twisted senses of "neighborhood" values and how certain people from certain neighborhoods are revered for going to prison and not ratting. No wonder this country has so many people on government benefits and free medical insurance, their sense of "good kids" are just warped.
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/20/13 02:44 PM
If people actually come on to a public forum to "exude power" and share their prison (shower) experiences, I truly feel bad for them. Whatever happened to keeping your mouth shut? The next generation is fucked if they have adults sharing their prison experiences and calling other convicts "good kids." Ashame, truly ashame.
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/20/13 02:45 PM
As Pauly Walnuts from the Sopranos once said "in my book, you get points for staying out of the can."
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/20/13 02:47 PM
I give more credit to kids who get out of the criminal element in neighborhoods and make something out of themselves, those are the true "good kids."
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/20/13 02:50 PM
If the U.S government wants to find out why kids are fucked up today, all they need to do is read what people actually write on these threads...morals and values aren't taught anymore...it's how many years you will be locked in a cage that defines a true man...LOL...unreal.
Finally someone else with a brain,, thank god..
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/20/13 04:15 PM
I don't know joe russo or southend, but southend is quite the name dropper and I think believes he is capo di tutti capi in his neighborhood. People who really never left Boston...never leave Boston and every neighborhood is better than the other. Southie v. Charlestown...who has the more stand up guys? THANK GOD the Yuppies are moving in to both, need to class the place up a little.
I agree, look at all the problems in southie latley..Boston is basically all yuppies in the north end and charlestown but it is a good thing..all of eastie moved to revere an saugus and the north end all moved to meff,,just my opinion though...
Im just a guy who likes mafia history in his area simple I read a lot which is more than I can say for a lot of you guys on here all they post is who they were locked up with lol..
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/20/13 04:53 PM
The guys on this forum either ran with the mobsters that are being discussed or did time with guys from the neighborhood...It's actually sad to see so many guys on here who spent time in prison (but they were stand up guys because they kept their mouths shut)...What a joke, gives you an idea that some people have warped senses of thinking. I grew up with a few of my great uncles who were involved with illegal gambling back in Pittsburgh...They were immigrants from Italy who didn't have their hand out to the government and couldn't find work...at that time, you did what you had to do. Today, these guys want to be the next John Gotti when there are so many opportunities for legitimate employment. These guys in prison don't realize that they are leaches on the American economy...somebody has to pay for their stupid ass being locked up, it's the same as if they were lazy and collected unemployment for 2 years like so many other Massachusetts residents, especially in Taunton/New Bedford/Fall River-The armpits of Massachusetts. Sure, I blame the government for not having tighter control of Massachusetts benefits and just handing paychecks out like a crack rocks in Roxbury. And then, once you say something, they jump down your throat for exercising an opinion on reality. My advice to you Meffaboston: take it with a grain of salt...On here, they think they're somebody...out on the street, they are just another convicted felon who will end up back in the can. It's a sad story actually...They revere retards like Anthony DiNunzio and laugh at stand up businessmen who contribute to society and pump money into a dying economy. At the end of the day though, they have to live like that, hanging in bars, popping pills, snorting whatever...but as southend said, the kid's doing 18-20 years, "great kid!"
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/20/13 06:11 PM
Another thing that cracks me up is when these Boston tough guys who claim to have been in prison with this one and that one and happen to know every wiseguy or bank robber in the neighborhood and their defense is "The FBI is crooked, The Cops are crooked, The Governor is crooked." While the FBI in Boston certainly put themselves in that position, do these guys on this forum actually think that Washington D.C is not going to be monitoring agents in Boston as well as doing much more intensive background checks on who they are letting run things at the Federal level? It's like saying that all priests molest altar boys...a few bad apples gave a bad name to mostly good people. The guys on this particular thread either know Whitey, know Georgie Hogan, know Fat Anthony or the Cheeseman...and they advertise what's going on in their own neighborhood...I guess loyalty isn't something they value in their neighborhoods, in fact, I'm sure that the guys who are being mentioned on this thread would love to know that some of these wannabees are out telling tales about the men in question. Pathetic really. "But their all great kids" LOL
Posted By: mike68
Re: boston - 09/20/13 08:46 PM
That's quite a soapbox you're on JCB. And some pretty strong generalizations you make about some people on this board. I'd have to agree with your big picture thoughts but I don't stand for the insults against posters, too personal. Some people make mistakes earlier in life as young men, pay their debt to society and move onto productive lives. Public forum, right to their opinions. I have an old friend who was a good kid, developed a drug problem, spent two stints in jail, you can be a good kid who makes bad decisions.
Posted By: paddy78
Re: boston - 09/20/13 10:21 PM
actually quoting lines from the sopranos? tjat paulie walnuts guy was linked to a murder and beat it in real life jcb, you clown, im newer to theese forums and happen to value what russo, and south end say, bc usually theyre spot on, saying a kids a good kid is true,not every guy had to turn to go home or blame the others,he stood up for his role end of story, im proud i did my time and came backa man, i can walk thru theese streets and not worry what ppl say, or this and that. also bashing southie will get ya no points meffa,you prob never been in a fight or had your cards pulled im guessing! hey maybe you and jcb can legally get married now in boston,matter of fact we can throw ya a shower on here!!
Posted By: SgWaue86
Re: boston - 09/20/13 10:48 PM
People are mad because he's right, JCB1977 I feel the same way about the majority of Chicago posters.
Posted By: MANTON
Re: boston - 09/21/13 04:57 AM
IF U ARE SO AGAINST PEOPLE WISEGUYS AND PEOPEL DOING TIME WHY THE FUCK ARE U ON AN ORGANIZED CRIME WEBSITE?
u should shut the fuck up before ur card gets pulled
Posted By: Ville
Re: boston - 09/21/13 09:05 AM
Paddy, don't let this prick JCB get under your skin. We don't have to explain shit to this guy. He posts on the Boston threads more than any of us and then he talks all types of shit cause we discuss common knowledge and shit anyone can read about on the internet. If he was from the neighborhoods we all grew up in maybe he would understand. He writes a book everytime he posts something and in one sentence he admires Peter Limone for doing his time, but then shits all over Marty O'Brien for the samething. Manton you took the words right out of my mouth. Why are you even on this forum JCB?
Posted By: SC
Re: boston - 09/21/13 10:51 AM
Guys, you can disagree all you want but please do it without any name calling.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 09/21/13 01:30 PM
What people don't know is that me and meffa are actually good friends. I busted a bunch of loads inside his mom back in the day so he's my stepson. as for this clown jcb I don't know where the fuck u get off calling me a name dropper. your information is shit, and your a fucking punk who would never in a hundred years speak to my face like that. fact.
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/21/13 02:48 PM
LOL...This is quite comical and quite expected for voicing an opinion. For the record, nobody on here was verbally attacked, however, my opinion is my opinion. Let me make this clear: Sure, a "good kid" could make a mistake and I'll push it a step further to say a "good kid" may even have to do some time for doing something stupid (ex: Assault, OUI, illegal gambling). I don't know Marty O'Brien, but I will say if a person is sentenced for 18-20 years in prison, not only is that person a moron, but he is not fit to live in normal society. Exercising bad judgement is a completely different circumstance than exercising total disregard for the law. When a person gets handed down a sentence for that length of time, he's beyond stupid, he's reckless and acts without having any moral turpitude. I don't know what he was sent away for, but if it was robbing a bank, an armored car or whatever...then it's not a mistake...It was calculated and planned and he got caught and is now sorry. Cry me a river if you don't like it. I know guys who made mistakes and came out of jail and turned their lives around and for that, I give the utmost credit for seeing the big picture and making the necessary changes. A mistake is a mistake and if it's a true mistake, the behavior is not repeated...but when the behavior is repeated, then consequences should be handed down no matter how harsh.
Why am I on this website? While we all may come from different worlds, we all share an interest in OC and we all will have different opinions. In my free time, I do professional research for several organized crime authors. And as surprising as it is, I've met some very knowledgeable people and other authors and researchers on these very same forums. My expertise is Pittsburgh/Youngstown/Cleveland as myself and my partners have had 7 books published on organized crime in that region. My interest in New England comes from living here for the last 10 years. My one partner has written several articles on New England for Jerry Capeci's site as well as a few other gangland websites and it peaked my interest, nothing more. I'm not a stranger to the streets, as my grandma's three brothers were heavily involved with LCN and illegal gambling in the Pittsburgh/Youngstown/Cleveland region for many years. I know from personal experience how it affects a family, especially a proud immigrant family. In my personal experience, none of them wanted their sons, grandsons or nephews to have any part of that world. However, my cousin who I grew up with ignored what we were taught growing up and got himself involved with LCN activity. After repeated "mistakes" with illegal gambling, then extortion and finally he robbed a group of people who were part of a drug cartel. He went down to Miami and some shit went down and he is now doing 25-life. A good kid? He used to be...but his judgement was clouded and he became a bad person...and for the last 16 years, my mom has to watch her sister get distraught everytime he calls home from prison. The moral of the story is that he hasn't been a good kid for a long time. He's another convict who committed more than a mistake and it has destroyed his parents.
Guys like Peter Limone and older guys who got into the life when their weren't many opportunities out there, it was a different time. And yes, those old timers did their time and kept their mouths shut because they made the conscious choice to get into the life. Guys today, kids today, have every opportunity that the old timers never had. Anybody could go to college, there are more grants and financial aid and student loan programs that were NEVER available back then. So today, when young guys get caught up in drugs and other illegal activities and get sent to prison, I don't feel bad for them. They made a conscious choice to ignore all the opportunities that are out there for "status" or because they are too fucking lazy to make something out of themselves. Furthermore, if their parents or grandparents or whoever raised them condoned or were directly responsible for influencing their decisions to get into the life, shame on them for bringing them up with piss poor morals and values. The point is that there are choices and when the choice to do the right thing is ignored, don't expect the general public to feel bad for the "good kid" that was reckless and operated with total disregard of the morals and values they were brought up with. And IF that person didn't have people that cared about him enough to provide a good foundation and upbringing and to teach him right from wrong, then the people who raised him should be found responsible as well. Any of you who have been to prison and who have come out a better person, a person who learned from your reckless behavior or mistakes, all the power to you. I admire that. Unfortunately, the recidivism rate is extremely high and "most" people go right back to the life and/or group of misfits that they got in trouble with originally. That to me is irresponsible and reckless.
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/21/13 02:53 PM
This guy again...take a midol.
Posted By: paddy78
Re: boston - 09/21/13 03:49 PM
everytime u comment.....a book, and another my grammas brothers were on the front lines, almost every wanna be guinea says that!!! "my grampa drove for the don""!!! etc, no he laid track and bet a quarter! and im some italian so i can say that! ive heard it a million times! im a professional researcher,yet i am a tool who constantly invi=okes the hatred of the entire bretheren of the posters on this forum,yes im jcb folks you guessed it!
southend's stepson hahaha that means you and mom do the dew right?! lmao
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 09/21/13 04:17 PM
LOL...Thanks for your time.
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 10/01/13 02:48 AM
I'm a little late on this but it's quite interesting to hear this about Phil Myers. I've actually trained brazilian jiujitsu with him and he is one ridiculously strong man. The guy that said that he is a 60 year old man that beats the crap out of 20, 30 year old is correct. I think he could single handedly kick the shit out of any Boston mobster or associate with ease, assuming no weapons were involved. the guy is totally nuts and a crazy health freak.
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 10/01/13 11:43 AM
His picture is on a Brazilian jiujitsu website
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 10/01/13 11:44 AM
wasn't quite sure if that was him but thanks for confirming that caprese
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 10/01/13 08:26 PM
Southend, He is an extremely nice guy but you could tell he is not really one to cross. He would never allow any one who trains martial arts with him to get involved in any of his business affairs. I respect him for that..
Posted By: southend
Re: boston - 10/02/13 03:23 PM
so you didn't know any of his criminal history until you read it on this thread? considering his resume it's gotta be pretty surprising. Murdered a black guy in federal prison, AB, coke dealer, drug dealer robber, union goon, among other things
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 10/03/13 04:27 AM
Honestly, Southend. I never put 2 and 2 together until just recently. I just thought he was just another guy name Phil Myers that I trained some brazilian jiujitsu with. it's kind of surreal that I used to hang out and shoot the shit with this big 60 year old dude who stuck a pipe through someones head... Mind is blown!
Posted By: JCB1977
Re: boston - 10/03/13 02:14 PM
Since the closing of the Gemini, where are some of the fellas hanging out at these days? Anywhere in the North End?
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 10/07/13 12:56 PM
I hear they're hanging down at Dino's bar and grill....where the blood will flow and the drink will spill...
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 10/07/13 03:41 PM
They should go to the Cafe Pompeii or Mike's Pastry shop for old time sake
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: boston - 04/17/14 01:32 PM
Was Paul DeCologero a soldier, a capo or wasn't he even made? Because he is said to be the leader of the "DeCologero crew", but in some earlier post somebody said there isn't any information about him being a made member, so was it just an associate crew?
Posted By: azguy
Re: boston - 04/17/14 01:35 PM
All he had was an Italian sir name and kicked up so he could conduct business on his own turf with his own crew...
I don't think it was even an official affiliation like "associate"....
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: boston - 04/17/14 05:31 PM
All he had was an Italian sir name and kicked up so he could conduct business on his own turf with his own crew...
I don't think it was even an official affiliation like "associate"....
But why did Mark Silverman give him a primary role in his book about the Salemme vs Carrozza and Russo war? Was DeCologero a major player in that conflict or is Silverman just overblowing his importance for some reason?
Posted By: caprese
Re: boston - 07/30/14 09:31 PM
All he had was an Italian sir name and kicked up so he could conduct business on his own turf with his own crew...
I don't think it was even an official affiliation like "associate"....
But why did Mark Silverman give him a primary role in his book about the Salemme vs Carrozza and Russo war? Was DeCologero a major player in that conflict or is Silverman just overblowing his importance for some reason?
Paul wasn't made as far as i know. I worked out at his gym and was good friends with people thaat new him well. But, he was a devout Ray jr loyalist and was often heard speaking about how ehn the old bosses get released soon things will be set straight. All evidence points to Paul stockpiling guns and money to to give to Patriarca and other bosses and or capos to be released soon.
The question is, was this a real plan to restore power backed by the Lucchese family or was Paul just a delusional goomba with this crazy idea that was never going to happen. Who knows? But what I do know is he was respected and feared in the suburbs and often times mob looking people would come visit him at his office in the gym. That's all I really know about the guy. He did look the part though and he was omerta till death, that's for sure.
Interesting read. Coming from Maverick...
When it comes to what Gigi says, you have to take it with a grain of salt. This is a guy who thought the Feds planted a listening device in his ass and embarrassed himself by shouting it in court. Plus, by the time this all reached a head, he was out of his mind on drugs. I hung around a group of guys back then who were in a circle that mixed with Gigi's from time to time and every time I saw him, he was whacked out on dope. It got to the point where his mind started to mush up and he was never normal. People stopped trusting him, stopped associating with him and I even know a few guys who got in the hole to his book several grand a piece and they all told him to beat it. Maybe that's normal for that world but he seemed a lot less respected than other guys I knew back then who were far less notorious. You've got to remember that when the war started the made guys and the connected guys were surrounding themselves with these young kids who were nothing but shooters and once the war was over they were probably going to end up dead themselves. I don't think any of those guys back then had a future in LCN. That whole time was very strange.
Very well said Frankie. Very well said.
Posted By: mr_white
Re: boston - 07/02/21 01:24 AM
Found this last post above quoting Little Franke in 2014 and the thread has been dead since then...I think he was spot on and MOST of the guys who shot in the 90's war were throwaways themselves. The math was that the shooters were mostly Half or full Irish rather than Italian, even for the hardcore cosa Nostra stuff. Not all were throw-aways, like Devlin and Gillis shooting it out in Eastie...Salemme had some serious guys around him from prison, it seems, but they were fighting for a family takeover that they were never going to get made from and were always going to be dependent on mercy from Italians when it came time to be paid.
